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Welcome to the programme. Over the next half-hour, we will bring you

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some of our original stories and exclusive interviews from our

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programme since we launched in April. We start with the

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extraordinary story of who were separated birth at the end

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of World War II, and who were reunited earlier this year after

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nearly 70 years. They were born in Germany in 1946 after their Polish

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mother was sent to a forced labour camp. When she became ill and

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couldn't look after them, George and Lucien were taken to Poland, where

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they were adopted separately. George now lives in the sand chillis and

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they didn't even know each other existed. After is accessible search

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by the Red Cross programme, the twins finally met in Poland earlier

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this year, and we were there. Over 11 million of you have watched this

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film online, so if you can, stop whatever you are doing and take a

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few minutes to watch their story. When I found out about Lucien, I was

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very emotional. I just... For a while, I just couldn't stop crying.

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TRANSLATION: I don't know how to say thank you. I am so grateful to the

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Red Cross, who helped me so much. I am so very grateful.

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I am so excited to see him, and hope from now on, we will be very close

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together. TRANSLATION: It's going to be a great pleasure. It's the first

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happiness in my life. I feel very happy. I cannot wait to hug him. And

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give him a big kiss. TRANSLATION: There he is, my little brother

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George. Welcome, welcome. TRANSLATION: It will come back

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quickly enough, don't worry. My heart is overflowing with joy to

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welcome you on Polish soil. We are looking to the future. What has

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happened in the past, you cannot change it. Wars are terrible things.

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And we have wars right now going on around the world, and people dying,

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people get misplaced. It is really very sad. That is why I am saying we

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have a time to celebrate now, and look to the future. And, I would

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like to say, for ever. TRANSLATION: I was surprised,

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because I had heard different stories. That he was a German, that

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he was a Pole. George didn't either. We finally learned that he

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was an American soldier. Like I said before, I always had the feeling.

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I came to America, and now I have found out why. And this was the

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response your mother got when she was try to find you. Yes. So she was

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looking for you. She was looking for me, and she really wanted to return

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to Germany. TRANSLATION: When I look at her now,

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I see myself in her. I wish, when I was young, she was with me. But I

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know it didn't happen this way. It says here that by error, the

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children were repatriated to Poland without the mother being notified.

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TRANSLATION: It was a great shock to me. I was deeply shaken. I just

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couldn't believe that things turned out so well in the end.

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That film has been seen over 11 million times three broadcast it in

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September. You can watch all of our stories on our programme page.

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Or the BBC News YouTube page. Every day on the programme, we ask you to

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come to us with stories you think we should be covering. One recurring

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theme is mental health. One in three of us will experience a mental

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health problem over a lifetime. In July, we decided to devote an entire

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programme to the issue. Good morning. It is Monday, 9.15.

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Welcome to the programme. Today, we are discussing the state of the

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nation's mental health. One in four of us will experience a mental

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health problem at some point this year. This morning, we will hear the

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impact it can have on you and your families. I am Jack, I am 25. I self

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harmed and tried to take my own life. I ended up sectioned and

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under the Mental Health Act. Once I came out of hospital, there was no

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after-care and I felt really alone. I am Kerry. I am a mum of two and my

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husband had clinical depression. He didn't work for two years. It was an

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enormous strain on my family. There needs to be more support for people

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with mental health illness. An exclusive survey for this programme

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suggests that 69% of British adults think people with mental health

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problems are viewed more negatively than those with physical health

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issues. I am Nathan. I have had depression and anxiety for the past

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nine years. I now make films on YouTube to highlight the stigma

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around mental health illnesses. Some of the stories I have heard and

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experienced are outrageous. I am anxiety. Education about mental

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health is key. People don't speak about it enough. That is exactly

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what we are going to do today. Thank you, Laura, Nathan, Kerry and Jack.

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I am Sarah, and after my second child, developed postnatal

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psychosis. It was horrific. I thought I was going to kill my kids

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at one point, because I felt like I couldn't look after them. And a fear

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of having taken off me as well was awful. I had no clue what was going

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on. Throughout my pregnancy, I was quite erratic. I had my baby and the

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next day, I was doing loads of stuff. I was on a high, going

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shopping, going out. My mum was like, you need to slow down. One

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day, I was just sitting there and this fear just came through me. I

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dropped my plate and screamed the place down and went into the

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bathroom and didn't come out for two hours. I didn't know what was going

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on. I went to the doctor, and they gave me these pills. I took them and

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it just made me worse. Afterwards, it just got worse and worse. I

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couldn't have a bath because I thought I was going to die. I

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couldn't go near my children because I thought I was going to kill them.

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I was adamant that if I did touch them, I would harm them. I started

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hearing voices telling me to kill myself. How far away do you think we

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are, Ruby Wax, between parity for mental health along with physical

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health? We were discussing that the law should protect you, but 56% of

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employers do not hire people with mental illness. So it is a

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conundrum. But everybody watching the show will go, that is too bad.

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You know how it is. They watch the news, and it could be a cartoon.

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They have to get it into their heads that mental illness is a physical

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illness. It is not like you got up in the morning and thought, should I

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take up golf or should I be sectioned? When I went into

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hospital, a doctor said that if Bill Gates spent the money he did in

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malaria on the brain, which gets zilch, they would maybe have had a

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illnesses. You can look in illnesses. You can look in

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anti-Alzheimer's. You don't say to somebody with Alzheimer's, come on,

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you remember where the key is. But mental illness is physical. She is

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not making it up. It is confused with fantasy, that these people just

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had nothing to do. When they put money into brain research and they

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can locate where this is, and it will take years, but then you will

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be able to hold up a card and say, if you discriminate against me, I

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will take you to town, because I have the blood test, whatever.

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Nothing will change and people will keep going, that is too bad, or that

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is good television. I suffer with bipolar disorder. I have been an

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electrician for the last two years on building sites and stuff, and

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obviously, men deal with mental health issues a lot different clay

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from women. Being a young man on a building site is hard.

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told people about it, they say things like man up. What have you

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said to them? Take us to the conversation on a wet November

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morning when you are plastering, whatever you are doing. How do you

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bring it up? I get anxiety on the train on the way there. Even before

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I have got there, I want to go home. So you get to the door and you tell

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people how you feel. I say, I feel a bit weird. That is all I feel I can

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against me. Especially with men, against me. Especially with men,

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they say, sort yourself out, mate. And it is like, I can't. You don't

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know why you are feeling it, so unless you can put something on it

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like with physical things, if you have broke your leg, you know you

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have broken your leg. But if you have something in your head, you

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don't know what it is. I was sitting there a minute ago and feeling like

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I wanted to walk out of the door. But I want to show people that you

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can get up and do things and help others. I suffer from an exact sea

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-- I suffered from anorexia for six years and spent two and half years

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in different patient psychiatric wards. The handover between

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outpatient and inpatient services was appalling. My inpatient team did

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not show up to my outpatient meeting. I was left long periods of

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relapsed over and over again. It's relapsed over and over again. It's

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got to the point where I was so desperate for help that I was

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ringing up my GP at her house, saying to her, I need help. And I

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rang a local hospital to say to them, I have a very low BMI and I

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was not sleeping. My parents were checking on me breathing. I said,

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can I come in and get some inpatient health? They told me to get lower in

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my weight. I was anorexic. It is like waving a red flag in front of a

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bull. They basically said, go away, don't eat any more. It was so

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powerful watching so many people who have never told their story before,

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doing so in a room full of strangers and on national television, so thank

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you for doing that. Another woman who told us her story for the first

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time, 20-year-old student Victoria. She was seriously injured

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in the Alton Towers roller coasters crash in June. In an exclusive

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interview, she told us it was a relief to finally have her leg

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amputated above the knee. After six rounds of surgery, to try and save

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it. She came to speak to us with her mother.

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I think through the operations and there were more than six, you were

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thinking, "I am, my leg, we're going to save it." The medical staff were

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thinking that as well, weren't they? They were amazing. They wanted to

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save it. They didn't want to amputate at all. They thought it

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would be better to save it because I've got a fracture in my fee murder

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intl. Femur. The question from day one was I am owe sorry, you're going

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you amputate or not and I couldn't you amputate or not and I couldn't

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make that decision. I don't think anyone really can. He said if you do

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amputate it will be about here and it would be a really short stump

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because I've got a fracture around here. That was quite bad. I didn't

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want to amputate. I couldn't. I couldn't say yes, but I couldn't say

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no. I think in the end, getting an

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infection kind of made that decision for you, didn't it? Yes, it did.

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Operation after operation, it was looking like they could save it and

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I would be able to walk again with it and in the beginning, before I

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got an infection, I was up walking with a frame, with my crutches on my

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own and it was starting to look really, really good and I was

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starting to see like a light at the end of the tunnel and then all of a

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sudden, I was sleeping. I slept for three days in a row and it was, I

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didn't feel myself. I was, I had my friends there and I just slept. I

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couldn't really speak to them or do anything and then obviously you

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realise that something wasn't right and told the surgeon and they said,

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"If there is sign of infection, would you sign for me to amputate?"

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I said yes, because I couldn't do anything myself. I had gone back to

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having people, like I had to sit having people, like I had to sit

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down and someone had to hold my leg and someone else had to wheel me, it

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was horrible. When you woke up after the operation, when your leg had

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been amputated, what did you, where were your initial emotions? My mum

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and a nurse was there. Mum was on this side and the nurse there. I

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knew the nurse quite well. I was in there that long I got to know them

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me and they were upset and then I me and they were upset and then I

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got upset, I was like, "Hang on a minute. Why am I upset?" I looked

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down at my leg and it was a relief not to have it there because

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eventually I would be able to walk again with a prosthetic. So many of

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you got in touch after that interview to congratulate Victoria

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Balch on her bravery and her pragmatic approach to her recovery

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as you did after our interview with Martin Compton. 75% of his body was

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burned and three of his colleagues lost their lives when their armoured

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vehicle exploded after reversing over an IED, an improvised explosive

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device in Afghanistan. The team had been trying to escape enemy fire. He

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is one of the most injured soldiers to survive and had over 500

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operations. He joined us for his first TV interview since leaving the

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Army. Martin, thank you so much for coming on the programme. It is

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good to meet you. Thank you. good to meet you. Thank you.

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You're very welcome. Aged 22 you were sent to Afghanistan and in

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Helmand with three colleagues, in a small tank, in a small convoy, what

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happened? That's right. That day we were on patrol and helping the

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Danish out and we happened to go through a very wellage. And as we

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went through the village my troop was ambushed. I happened to be in

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the middle wagon and I reversed, we were IE development which blew the

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wagon up. I managed to get out and as I got out, they shot rocket

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grenades which blew the engine up and engulfed me in flames. I

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happened to be able to put myself out. And your comrades got you out,

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they came back and found you, didn't they? The guys in the front wagon

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got out and fought back through and got out and fought back through

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realised I was missing and realised I was missing and

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eventually found me and those are the guys that got me to the Chinook.

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How on earth were you still alive? I couldn't tell you that bit. I

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officially died three times on the way back to the UK. It is a long

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road and obviously then afterwards, I came a long road. What you

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remember after that effectively is emerging from a coma, many months

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had passed. How many months was it? That's right. I was in an actual a

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coma for three months and an induced a coma for three months. They hadn't

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brought me around with the amount of operations and the pain I had gone

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through, the body probably wouldn't have survived that. What kind of

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treatment were you receiving? Everything from skin grafts to

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my lower legs and the only skin that my lower legs and the only skin that

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I had left. When you first saw your reflection, what did you think?

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That was a hard time for me. I had people around me. I had family

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with me and obviously Michelle was with me. And it was a case of I had

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to get out or I had to get out of the hospital and so I had to look in

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the mirror, you know, it was a hard thing to do.

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I wasn't kind of expecting what I looked like. I felt the same inside,

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you know. It was hard. What did you see when you saw other people

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looking at your injuries? I kind of got used to it, you know. That was

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because looking in the mirror was because looking in the mirror

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the first step and then getting used the first step and then getting used

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to people looking at me was another step, but that was the thing that I

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had to get on with, you know, it was one of those things that I've got to

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live with and just got on with it. It was hard to start with, yeah. Do

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strangers, do they stare, do they talk to you? What do they say? I

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prefer people that ask what happened and that way I can obviously get it

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out and tell them what went on or things like that, but it is the guys

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that stare. It is hard every now and then, but again, I get used to it

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and it is a case of having to. Have you sought treatment for the mental

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I have. And the Army offer you I have. And the Army offer you

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everything and they have been very helpful, but for me, it is hard to

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talk to anyone that's not family and I find it hard to sort of talk to

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other people. I've just dealt with it by racing

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and family. So counselling and that side of things wasn't that much use

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to you? It was useful in the fact of sort of highlighting my issues and

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that's about it really. It was more the fact that I needed to, once

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those hoImted, I spoke to my wife about it and she helps me now.

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Thank you very much for coming on the programme.

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You can watch that interview back on our programme page.

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Before we go, our reporter Benjamin Zand has been meeting people who

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believe we can one day live forever by cre atting digital immortality.

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To never daoushtion not unless I To never daoushtion not unless I

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wanted to. Actually, I dream I could just not everything, to have super

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intelligence, super strength for that matter and super speed. I wish

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I could just be happy all the time. Eternal happiness of which sadness

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never comes. But then, sadly, I realise it is all impossible.

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But is it really? In this programme, I will be

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speaking to the people who think that it is possible. Not, now, of

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course, but in the future and a future that might not be as far away

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as you think. Radical change is upon us. I will be finding out what they

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think the future has in store for us human beings. The future that

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matters is the future of cognition, not really the future of the human

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race. In short, I will be speaking to the people who want to make us

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live forever. Are you the future of live forever. Are you the future of

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the human race? Yes, I am the one and only future of the human race.

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That was a brilliant answer. You are very confident!

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To the majority of us, life is hard. We live, we do things, we get sick

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and we die and that's about it, full stop. Nothing we can do about it. To

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others though, that's not really the case. There is something we can do

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about it and that is the change of the basis of what it means to be

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human. Ben is one of those guys. I met him at an AGI conference in

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Berlin. AGI stands for artificial general intelligence and it consist

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of a lot of smart people. I think digital immortality is definitely

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going to happen. My hope it happens within my own lifetime so I can take

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sure it will happen within the next sure it will happen within the

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century at worse. Is that what century at worse. Is that what

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you're working towards now? Digital immortality is one of the goals I'm

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working towards. I aim to build an artificial general intelligence, an

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AI system that can become massively smarter than human beings and

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understand more about the universe than any human possibly could. Ben

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and others like him call them trans humanists. It is the idea that we

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can improve man in all imaginable respects. The plan is to do this by

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science and technology. People in the world of it, rans humanism have

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a common ideology. One is that the brain. Another is a controversial

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should not exist. It is a disease. should not exist. It is a disease.

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We really need to abolish ageing in the same way that we need to abolish

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cancer and we need to abolish rape and murder. Ageing shouldn't be

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allowed to exist and the fact that everyone takes for granted, there is

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no choice, but to just get old, die and rot. In 100 years, that would be

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looked on as insanely barbaric. The same way we look back at slavery as

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insanely barbaric right now. Thank you for watching this Christmas

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special. We're back on air on 4th January and you can watch all our

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stories on our programme page.

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