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Hello, it's Wednesday, it's 9.15, I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria, | :00:10. | :00:11. | |
David Cameron tries to persuade his own MPs to back a deal he hopes | :00:12. | :00:16. | |
will keep Britain in the European Union. | :00:17. | :00:22. | |
One senior minister has described it as a mess. | :00:23. | :00:25. | |
The Prime Minister says it will deliver "substantial change", | :00:26. | :00:27. | |
I think strong, determined, patient negotiation has achieved | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
But is it a good enough outcome for voters. | :00:32. | :00:38. | |
We'll ask our studio audience here if they think David Cameron has | :00:39. | :00:41. | |
got a good deal - and we want you to take part in our discussion | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
The US records its first case of the Zika virus in someone | :00:46. | :00:53. | |
But what's it like to live with the condition | :00:54. | :00:58. | |
We talk to one mum whose son was born with microcephaly. | :00:59. | :01:06. | |
Plus, why one leading gay rights campaigner now supports | :01:07. | :01:10. | |
the Northern Irish bakers who refused to make a cake | :01:11. | :01:14. | |
Welcome to the programme, we're on BBC 2 and the BBC | :01:15. | :01:29. | |
We'll keep you across the latest breaking and developing stories. | :01:30. | :01:35. | |
You can watch the programme online wherever you are - | :01:36. | :01:38. | |
via the bbc news app or our website bbc.co.uk/victoria. | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
We're joined this morning by our political guru Norman Smith | :01:43. | :01:48. | |
and a studio audience to discuss if the prime minister David Cameron | :01:49. | :01:51. | |
has got a good enough deal over re-negotiating the Uk's membership | :01:52. | :01:54. | |
We want to hear from you - details on how to get in touch | :01:55. | :02:00. | |
Texts will be charged at the standard network rate. | :02:01. | :02:05. | |
And of course you can watch the programme online wherever | :02:06. | :02:07. | |
you are - via the bbc news app or our website bbc.co.uk/victoria. | :02:08. | :02:10. | |
In Parliament later today, the Prime Minister will try | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
to persuade MPs to back the draft settlement unveiled yesterday | :02:15. | :02:16. | |
on Britain's relationship with the European Union. | :02:17. | :02:20. | |
A senior minister has described the proposals as "a mess", | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
but David Cameron says they deliver the changes he promised. | :02:24. | :02:28. | |
By the end of next year we'll be asked to vote on whether or not | :02:29. | :02:36. | |
the UK should stay or leave the EU - probably in the summer. | :02:37. | :02:43. | |
Mr Cameron says the reforms were enough for him | :02:44. | :02:45. | |
But many in the Conservative party - and elsewhere - disagree. | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
It all boils down to whether there's been progress in four key areas. | :02:50. | :02:52. | |
whether parliament will have the power to block EU laws | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
Second, accepting that the pound sits alongside | :02:57. | :02:57. | |
Third - a commitment to boost Europe's | :02:58. | :03:00. | |
competitiveness by cutting back on bureaucracy and regulations. | :03:01. | :03:02. | |
And finally - restricting benefits for European migrants. | :03:03. | :03:04. | |
Lots of reaction coming out of Europe this morning. | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
Within the last half hour we've heard from the Netherlands. | :03:09. | :03:11. | |
They currently hold the rotating presidency of the European council - | :03:12. | :03:14. | |
they say a proposal to help Britain to remain in the EU is likely to be | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
And Commission President Jean Claude-Juncker has told | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
the European Parliament that the proposal on reforming | :03:23. | :03:24. | |
Britain's relationship with the EU must be supported. | :03:25. | :03:28. | |
There's a debate going on right now we'll bring | :03:29. | :03:30. | |
We're joined by our studio audience - and our political guru | :03:31. | :03:41. | |
What are the key elements of this deal? Immigration was the big win | :03:42. | :03:54. | |
which David Cameron wanted and he thinks he has kind of got it with | :03:55. | :03:57. | |
the idea of the emergency brake. Like many of the reforms he has got, | :03:58. | :04:03. | |
it is a half win, half loss, he has an agreement, to have this four-year | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
ban on EU migrants, claiming in work benefits, but we do not know when | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
this will come into force and we do not know who will decide it and how | :04:13. | :04:18. | |
long it will last, and it seems that migrants will gradually be able to | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
claim benefits, they will be phased in. It is a messy victory the David | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
Cameron. The other thing he wanted was the idea the red card to stop | :04:28. | :04:31. | |
the EU bossing around national parliaments with the legislation | :04:32. | :04:34. | |
they did not want. He has a kind of red card. When you look at the | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
detail, you can only use it in very limited circumstances, it is not for | :04:40. | :04:45. | |
all new laws, just a small number, and you have to get 16 of the 28 | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
parliaments to agree, that is a hugely high threshold. David Cameron | :04:51. | :04:58. | |
has got some games, regarding immigration and the red card, but he | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
is a long way off getting what he wanted in its entirety -- gains. | :05:02. | :05:13. | |
What about the economy? He wanted to protect countries like Britain being | :05:14. | :05:16. | |
pushed around by countries in the single currency, and he has an | :05:17. | :05:19. | |
agreement that if we are unhappy we can say to everyone | :05:20. | :05:22. | |
agreement that if we are unhappy we not acceptable, we don't like this, | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
so we can talk about it. He can't actually say we are not putting up | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
with it, but he can initiate, sage and at the European Council and is | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
the -- you can initiate a conversation at the European | :05:35. | :05:40. | |
Council, and so he can raise his concerns, but he cannot stop the | :05:41. | :05:42. | |
single currency from doing things to us which we don't want. | :05:43. | :05:48. | |
Competitiveness? This was the shortest section in the legalistic | :05:49. | :05:54. | |
document, and there were many fine words about stripping back | :05:55. | :05:57. | |
regulation and getting rid of bureaucracy, but who is going to | :05:58. | :06:03. | |
disagree? On that, David Cameron has got an acknowledgement that Europe | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
must do better in terms of trying to be more competitive and reaching out | :06:07. | :06:12. | |
and being more economically liberal but has anything changed? Not | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
really, it is just fine words. And sovereignty? He wanted an end to the | :06:18. | :06:26. | |
move towards ever closer union. What the paper says, ever closer union, | :06:27. | :06:27. | |
one of the principles of the EU, the paper says, ever closer union, | :06:28. | :06:34. | |
integration, we will not become the paper says, ever closer union, | :06:35. | :06:37. | |
United States of Europe. In time they will spell that out in a future | :06:38. | :06:39. | |
treaty, they have said, and so they will spell that out in a future | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
Cameron has an assurance, nothing to panic | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
Cameron has an assurance, nothing to a legal document to | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
Cameron has an assurance, nothing to Britain, you are out of it, we | :06:53. | :06:54. | |
Cameron has an assurance, nothing to have to wait and see and hopefully | :06:55. | :06:56. | |
we will get a treaty in time, but quite when, we don't know. OK, those | :06:57. | :07:02. | |
are the bones of the deal. We have a studio audience. As this led any of | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
you to change your perspective on the way you would vote in a | :07:07. | :07:12. | |
referendum? -- has. Absolutely not. LAUGHTER | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
David Cameron has taken the worst of both worlds, the economic policies | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
of the European Union, which I disagree with, they can be very | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
exploitative. He wants to keep some rid of the more positive stuff like | :07:27. | :07:34. | |
the human rights and the environmental legislation, so I feel | :07:35. | :07:35. | |
this is a step backwards environmental legislation, so I feel | :07:36. | :07:39. | |
the global perspective on the European Union. You want out? | :07:40. | :07:41. | |
Certainly. European Union. You want out? | :07:42. | :07:48. | |
pro-Europe. What do you think of the renegotiation? It is to satisfy his | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
backbenchers and to try to give the party together, rather than making | :07:53. | :07:54. | |
demands that will amount to a party together, rather than making | :07:55. | :08:01. | |
things that he was party together, rather than making | :08:02. | :08:08. | |
really apply for a four-year period and what he is focusing on, migrant | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
benefits, that is an issue which is sparsely overstated in the media and | :08:13. | :08:15. | |
in the mind of the public. -- parsley. It is more politics than | :08:16. | :08:21. | |
trying to get a proper agreement -- fastly. You don't think people out | :08:22. | :08:24. | |
there are that bothered? With fastly. You don't think people out | :08:25. | :08:33. | |
work benefits, migrants, it is only 5%, European migrants, claiming out | :08:34. | :08:37. | |
of work benefits, but the public perception is far greater than that. | :08:38. | :08:40. | |
of work benefits, but the public That is a headline grabber which can | :08:41. | :08:42. | |
be used on behalf of the leave campaign rather than based in fact. | :08:43. | :08:49. | |
Is that a key issue? I must agree with this, there is a general | :08:50. | :08:54. | |
perception that migrants, EU migrants take out more than they | :08:55. | :08:57. | |
contribute and that is actually not the case. There is evidence from the | :08:58. | :09:05. | |
UCL published in 2014 which states there is a net contribution of ?20 | :09:06. | :09:11. | |
billion, that means that not only do they cover what they take out on | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
welfare, they also contribute to the budget. You came here from Poland in | :09:17. | :09:24. | |
2004? You are well informed on this issue and feel strongly about it. | :09:25. | :09:31. | |
You want the UK to stay in the EU? I do. The debate is based on emotional | :09:32. | :09:40. | |
arguments, rather than hard fact and hard analysis of the actual numbers. | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
I think this is what the debate should really concentrate on, and | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
move away from the emotional aspects. Peter, you would like out. | :09:50. | :09:57. | |
What I wanted to say, most people, most people bleed migration is a | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
good thing, but the problem at the moment is the uncontrolled speed at | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
which we have got migration -- most people believe. We have no control | :10:06. | :10:14. | |
with our borders. This is a good country, but the resources in | :10:15. | :10:18. | |
schools and in hospitals, and in businesses, the impact of the EU, I | :10:19. | :10:24. | |
don't think we have anything in the negotiation which will reduce the | :10:25. | :10:28. | |
burden of bureaucracy on businesses. Those are my reasons and I did not | :10:29. | :10:32. | |
see anything in this renegotiation which will change. Could there have | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
been anything which would have changed your perspective? Were you | :10:37. | :10:44. | |
waiting to see what came out? The things that were asked for not | :10:45. | :10:48. | |
ambitious enough, in my opinion, they were not repatriating | :10:49. | :10:51. | |
sovereignty or repatriating the controls on migration that I wanted. | :10:52. | :10:58. | |
To be honest, he did not get much because he did not ask for very | :10:59. | :11:04. | |
much, that is what I feel. I would add, the European Union was based on | :11:05. | :11:12. | |
certain principles, as Donald Tusk said, there are certain lines which | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
cannot be crossed because that would mean moving away from the principles | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
on which the EU was built. Freedom of movement was one of those | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
principles. That needs to be taken into account, as well as the fact | :11:28. | :11:35. | |
that Britain is only one of 28 members and it is not a stronger | :11:36. | :11:38. | |
member, it is an equal member of the European Union. The voice of the | :11:39. | :11:44. | |
other 27 member states needs to be taken into account. Going forward, | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
does it shift the balance in the relationship? The deal that was done | :11:50. | :11:57. | |
yesterday? Yes. Not really, it is a compromise, everything is a | :11:58. | :12:00. | |
compromise, you have got to compromise with 27 other countries, | :12:01. | :12:03. | |
you're never going to get what you want. My sense is, this document is | :12:04. | :12:10. | |
not going to make much difference to the way anyone votes, including in | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
Parliament. I was tramping around talking to people and I did not find | :12:16. | :12:21. | |
a single MP who said, now I'm going to do this or now I'm going to do | :12:22. | :12:24. | |
that, they had already made up their minds. It seems to be, this is a | :12:25. | :12:31. | |
document which focuses on detailed areas, but at the end of the day, I | :12:32. | :12:34. | |
suspect most people will go into the referendum and it will be gut | :12:35. | :12:40. | |
instinct what feel in their bones. Actually, I feel European or, | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
actually, I'm fed up with being bossed around by Europe, they cannot | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
get a grip with migration, I think it will be that kind of gut instinct | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
which will shape how people vote. What ever David Cameron did get, | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
that will not make a blind bit of difference. You are undecided, Mal? | :12:58. | :13:04. | |
What happened yesterday has not changed my mind. I'm relieved to | :13:05. | :13:11. | |
hear you say that! I'm Australian, I've lived in the UK, 12 years, and | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
I see the benefits of the EU, my heart says stay in because of the | :13:16. | :13:21. | |
commercial and travel opportunities. My head says, wait a moment, it is | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
to do with the elephant in the room, ever closer union. You have just | :13:27. | :13:33. | |
said that they say there's nothing to worry about, but I don't know | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
whether we trust the EU. Ireland and France and the Netherlands voted | :13:38. | :13:42. | |
against a treaty, but the EU carried on as if nothing had happened. It is | :13:43. | :13:50. | |
a trading pact, which can get close, or is it the United States of | :13:51. | :13:54. | |
Europe. I would be in favour of one of those but not the other. One | :13:55. | :13:58. | |
thing we can say, the challenge facing those that would like to pull | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
out of Europe, there is maybe a higher bar than those who want to | :14:03. | :14:05. | |
stay in, because instinctively people stick with what they know. If | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
you are going to give Vince people you want to get out, you have got to | :14:11. | :14:14. | |
make a much bigger and better I'd meant -- if you are going to | :14:15. | :14:22. | |
convince people. Those that want to get out have got to change the way | :14:23. | :14:25. | |
that people think. If you are sitting on the fence, you might hang | :14:26. | :14:31. | |
on to the fence, I would say. You do want to get out, Emmett? The | :14:32. | :14:41. | |
renegotiation, basically this is just a fudge, if you look at the | :14:42. | :14:46. | |
demands on David Cameron, that he has secured, the red card idea, that | :14:47. | :14:52. | |
is effectively just received. He says if many people vote for one way | :14:53. | :14:57. | |
of doing things, we will get our way -- that is effectively just | :14:58. | :15:01. | |
democracy. You do not need to call it a red card. And then we have got | :15:02. | :15:07. | |
the action on curbing benefits, and I think, it is not just about | :15:08. | :15:15. | |
benefits, people actually want to see action on numbers, as well. | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
Where he has not said anything about that, people have noticed that that | :15:20. | :15:26. | |
part is missing. So, I don't see that he has done much which will | :15:27. | :15:27. | |
change people's minds. Martin, you want to stay in, I spoke | :15:28. | :15:37. | |
to a panel of people the other day and the thing that was striking, | :15:38. | :15:41. | |
there was more of a sense among ordinary people in Europe, a sense | :15:42. | :15:49. | |
of pride of being part of the EU which does not seem to be prevalent | :15:50. | :15:54. | |
in this country. Do you feel pride? What makes you want to stay in? I do | :15:55. | :16:00. | |
feel pride in an identity as a Brit and also as a European. It is a key | :16:01. | :16:07. | |
part of your identity? I do and think it is at the heart of what | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
David Cameron has been doing in the last few days which is to try to | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
strike this line between the practical case for remaining in | :16:16. | :16:21. | |
Europe and keeping low barriers to trade and immigration, being a | :16:22. | :16:23. | |
really great thing that we have benefited from as a country for | :16:24. | :16:27. | |
hundreds of years, not just recently. At the same time, we do | :16:28. | :16:31. | |
have a slightly protectionist natural fear of people coming and | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
taking our jobs. It was to that fear, as expressed by Ukip during | :16:37. | :16:43. | |
the election, that David Cameron is speaking, and he is trying to tread | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
this line between appearing tough and saying we are going to get our | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
way whilst acknowledging, in reality, we do have a net gain, not | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
just in the contribution that immigration makes but in the | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
contribution that lower trade barriers undoubtably make to British | :17:01. | :17:03. | |
businesses. We have to retain that but also acknowledge that people are | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
nervous about what happened in other countries. We can't deny that the | :17:09. | :17:13. | |
world is moving to ever closer union so to pick out phrases and make them | :17:14. | :17:17. | |
emotive and say it is a bad thing to move to that, trade | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
emotive and say it is a bad thing to coming down. With China, | :17:22. | :17:22. | |
Asia-Pacific, it is an coming down. With China, | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
in the world so to make them emotive issues I think is more about | :17:28. | :17:28. | |
appearances in politics. issues I think is more about | :17:29. | :17:34. | |
face a difficulty here. I wonder if we are not prisoners of our history, | :17:35. | :17:40. | |
the story of our island nation gives it a different perspective to the | :17:41. | :17:43. | |
rest of Europe and it makes is harder for us to be reconciled to be | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
part of this bigger continent. It does if we forget our history. If | :17:48. | :17:53. | |
you look to the Middle Ages is exporting unspun will to Europe, and | :17:54. | :17:57. | |
making the move to say, we would like some European immigration so we | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
can bring skilled spinners to the UK and build a massive extra of | :18:02. | :18:06. | |
industry here, if you forget that, you can say, we are worried about | :18:07. | :18:11. | |
being an island nation. But this story of a maritime nation, it is | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
very emotional, but I went a small business, none of us can really sail | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
a boat! But we can all trade internationally and we see that when | :18:22. | :18:24. | |
the trade with European countries we can do so quickly and easily, to | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
bring their expertise here and build better businesses here than we would | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
bring their expertise here and build when we trade for the US, for | :18:34. | :18:33. | |
example, when when we trade for the US, for | :18:34. | :18:41. | |
hard-headed elements or is there a gut feeling about feeling European | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
hard-headed elements or is there a and pride within that? To a | :18:46. | :18:49. | |
hard-headed elements or is there a it is hard-hitting to the fact of | :18:50. | :18:50. | |
the matter but I think a it is hard-hitting to the fact of | :18:51. | :18:54. | |
to national borders is getting quite outdated. With the kind of threats | :18:55. | :19:01. | |
that we face, not only humanitarian but in a climate nature, I don't | :19:02. | :19:05. | |
think you can act unilaterally any more to deal with the things we are | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
facing. By having this body that is committed to looking outward and | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
working within its member states committed to looking outward and | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
well as externally, that is a very positive thing. Do you feel | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
passionate about this? Does it feel like the right thing for politicians | :19:24. | :19:25. | |
to be talking about like the right thing for politicians | :19:26. | :19:28. | |
probably until June when like the right thing for politicians | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
referendum is expected? I think so and for lots of reasons. We talk | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
about ever closer union, I don't think that is an emotive issue, it | :19:38. | :19:41. | |
is an important philosophical one and everything hangs on it for me. | :19:42. | :19:45. | |
We talk about sovereignty of nations, one of the things that | :19:46. | :19:49. | |
makes Europe very strong in my view is unity with diversity. It is the | :19:50. | :19:54. | |
diversity of Europe that makes it attractive for people to live and | :19:55. | :20:01. | |
work here, but if we do stamp on that uniformity with that unified | :20:02. | :20:04. | |
state, I think that would destroy one of the great strengths. We saw | :20:05. | :20:08. | |
that with the Euro crisis, cultural differences to attitudes in | :20:09. | :20:14. | |
taxation. June 23? It is looking that way, presumably mystic Cameron | :20:15. | :20:23. | |
will get a deal -- Mr Cameron. A lot more discussion like this to come, | :20:24. | :20:26. | |
thank you for joining us. We would love to get your thoughts on this | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
and we will talk through some of your views are little later. Coming | :20:31. | :20:33. | |
up... We hear from a gay rights campaigner | :20:34. | :20:34. | |
who's changed his mind and is now supporting the Northern Irish bakers | :20:35. | :20:37. | |
who refused to make a cake And what's it like living | :20:38. | :20:42. | |
with the condition linked We talk to one mum whose son | :20:43. | :20:44. | |
was born with microcephaly. that he hopes will keep Britain | :20:45. | :20:54. | |
in the European Union. The Prime Minister will field | :20:55. | :21:03. | |
questions in the Commons about the draft deal paving the way | :21:04. | :21:05. | |
for the UK's EU in-out referendum. Health officials are trying | :21:06. | :21:08. | |
to confirm if an American with the Zika virus contracted it | :21:09. | :21:11. | |
through sexual contact. It's concerning scientists | :21:12. | :21:15. | |
as the disease - linked to birth defects - is usually | :21:16. | :21:17. | |
transmitted by mosquitoes. The discovery of a man's body | :21:18. | :21:22. | |
on a cliff edge in Anglesey is being linked to a triple murder | :21:23. | :21:24. | |
investigation near Leeds. The bodies of a woman and two | :21:25. | :21:28. | |
children were found at a house These pictures from China show | :21:29. | :21:31. | |
a backlog of 50,000 rail passengers - stranded in the south | :21:32. | :21:41. | |
of the country. The authorities have been laying | :21:42. | :21:44. | |
on extra trains to try It's been caused by bad weather | :21:45. | :21:47. | |
that's hampering the country's busiest travel period - | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
the Chinese New Year getaway. Let's catch up with all the sport | :21:52. | :21:59. | |
now with John and there was a contender for goal | :22:00. | :22:02. | |
of the season last night. Absolutely, and incredible goal from | :22:03. | :22:10. | |
Jamie Vardy. We have been talking about him all season and we are | :22:11. | :22:16. | |
again. Leicester City's remarkable run in the Premier League continues. | :22:17. | :22:21. | |
His goal was well worth watching and we will have that in a little while. | :22:22. | :22:26. | |
They beat Liverpool and maintain their lead at the top of the table. | :22:27. | :22:33. | |
People were predicting that their run would come to an end but even | :22:34. | :22:36. | |
the biggest doubters are predicting they could go on to win the title. | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
We'll be looking ahead to the start of England's One day series | :22:41. | :22:42. | |
with South Africa in the cricket - hoping to repeat their Test success. | :22:43. | :22:46. | |
After a great week for British tennis at the Australian Open, | :22:47. | :22:49. | |
news on an emerging star who's set to become the youngest british | :22:50. | :22:52. | |
And in an ultimate test of man versus machine, find out | :22:53. | :22:59. | |
what happens when a rugby team test their strength against | :23:00. | :23:02. | |
Bakers who refused to make a cake with the slogan "Support gay | :23:03. | :23:14. | |
marriage" should not have been found guilty of discrimination - | :23:15. | :23:17. | |
that's according to a leading gay rights campaigner who initially | :23:18. | :23:20. | |
Ashers Baking Company in Belfast is appealing against a ruling | :23:21. | :23:26. | |
that it breached discrimination laws. | :23:27. | :23:27. | |
But the campaigner Peter Tatchell says he now feels bound to defend | :23:28. | :23:30. | |
the company despite initially criticising them. | :23:31. | :23:33. | |
We'll speak to him in a moment, but first let's go live to Belfast | :23:34. | :23:36. | |
There was a judgment against them last year but they are appealing. | :23:37. | :23:49. | |
Bring us up-to-date with what this case centres on. This was an order | :23:50. | :23:57. | |
for a cake for that is expansive day which led to a claim of | :23:58. | :24:00. | |
dissemination and damages of ?500 being awarded to the customer who | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
was refused the cake -- discrimination. The legal battle is | :24:06. | :24:13. | |
continuing. The customer went to a branch of Ashers Baking Company here | :24:14. | :24:16. | |
in Belfast and asked for a cake to be decorated with a picture of the | :24:17. | :24:22. | |
Sesame Street characters Bert and Ernie and a slogan in support of | :24:23. | :24:27. | |
same-sex marriage. They refused that and the company said they did that | :24:28. | :24:33. | |
because it breached the religious beliefs, the deep Christian beliefs, | :24:34. | :24:36. | |
of the owners of the company and they said they did not feel they | :24:37. | :24:42. | |
could fulfil the order. Same-sex marriage is still a contentious | :24:43. | :24:47. | |
issue here because it has never been introduced here and he has been | :24:48. | :24:51. | |
blocked at Stormont by the DUP who are against the introduction of it. | :24:52. | :24:55. | |
We have this battle that has attracted a lot of headlines but the | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
family who own Ashers Baking Company decided they felt, after careful | :25:01. | :25:06. | |
consideration as they called it, they had to go ahead and appeal. A | :25:07. | :25:12. | |
short time ago, Daniel MacArthur gave his reasons for taking this | :25:13. | :25:13. | |
appeal. We're looking forward to having this | :25:14. | :25:16. | |
opportunity to have our case heard by the Lord Chief Justice | :25:17. | :25:19. | |
because we believe the County Court As I said, many times before, | :25:20. | :25:21. | |
we do not discriminate We took issue with the message | :25:22. | :25:26. | |
on the cake and not the customer. As a family, we believe we should | :25:27. | :25:34. | |
retain the right to decline business that would force us to promote | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
a cause with which we disagree. As Christians we can't simply switch | :25:39. | :25:44. | |
off our faith when we enter To be a Christian at all | :25:45. | :25:47. | |
is to strive to live for Christ in every corner of our lives | :25:48. | :25:53. | |
and we served Mr Lee The customer in this case, Gareth | :25:54. | :26:07. | |
Lee, took the case against Ashers with support of the equality | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
commission of Northern Ireland and they were also here inside the | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
courtroom waiting for this hearing. They say they are concerned about | :26:17. | :26:21. | |
some of the ways this has been presented but it has been presented | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
by some as a battle between religious freedom and the right to | :26:27. | :26:29. | |
minorities. The equality commission say they hope the judgment will be | :26:30. | :26:32. | |
held up because they say they are concerned what it would mean for | :26:33. | :26:37. | |
minorities in terms of receiving services from all sorts of companies | :26:38. | :26:43. | |
if it was successful. Thank you. We can't talk now to Peter Tatchell. | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
You supported the customers initially but now the bakery. What | :26:48. | :26:53. | |
happened? Initially I did support the legal action on two grounds. I | :26:54. | :26:59. | |
think they had engaged in false and misleading advertising. Their | :27:00. | :27:02. | |
adverts said they would be willing to bake a cake according to the | :27:03. | :27:06. | |
customer's own design but when Gareth Lee presented his they said | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
no. That was a breach of their promise. Secondly I was really | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
concerned that if Ashers were allowed to get away with it it would | :27:17. | :27:20. | |
open the door to a wider discrimination against other people | :27:21. | :27:24. | |
and communities. On reflection, and it has been a very hard wrestle with | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
my conscience, I feel that, much as I disagree with Ashers over their | :27:29. | :27:35. | |
political views about opposing gay marriage and opposing equal rights | :27:36. | :27:41. | |
for gay people, I think we have took her on the side of freedom of | :27:42. | :27:50. | |
conscience, expression and religion -- err. I am saddened that, as | :27:51. | :27:55. | |
Christians, they support a homophobic position, or a position | :27:56. | :27:59. | |
that many people will see as homophobic because Jesus Christ | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
never condemned homosexuality, there is nothing where he has spoken | :28:05. | :28:07. | |
against same-sex relationships and on top of that, we know that | :28:08. | :28:11. | |
discrimination is not a Christian value. Where does your argument take | :28:12. | :28:17. | |
you? In defending freedom of conscience, expression and religion, | :28:18. | :28:22. | |
does it take you down the path of being on the site of anyone who | :28:23. | :28:24. | |
discriminate against anybody else on those grounds? This case is not | :28:25. | :28:31. | |
about discrimination against people. The message? Yes, for example, | :28:32. | :28:40. | |
Christian run bed and breakfast establishments and Christian civil | :28:41. | :28:42. | |
registrars who have refused to serve gay people are utterly and totally | :28:43. | :28:48. | |
wrong, that is discrimination against people which is unlawful, | :28:49. | :28:53. | |
and rightly so. This case is about discrimination against an idea, | :28:54. | :28:55. | |
namely support for same-sex marriage. That is a very fine line. | :28:56. | :29:02. | |
It is a difficult one. I'm worried that if the verdict stood against | :29:03. | :29:08. | |
Ashers, would this mean that a Muslim printer would have to rubbish | :29:09. | :29:15. | |
the cartoons of Muhammad or a Jewish publisher, would they have to print | :29:16. | :29:18. | |
a book by a Holocaust denier? publisher, would they have to print | :29:19. | :29:25. | |
on the issue of ideas, it can lead you into murky areas where | :29:26. | :29:30. | |
businesses could be forced to publish and facilitate ideas they | :29:31. | :29:34. | |
fundamentally disagree with. Could similar claims not be made on the | :29:35. | :29:37. | |
flip side in terms of how the judgment might be seen and taken if | :29:38. | :29:40. | |
they were to win? That is right, if they win, there's | :29:41. | :29:49. | |
a fear this could open the to wider discrimination, but I think this | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
will be about the issue of ideas and not about discrimination against | :29:54. | :29:56. | |
people, that is an important distinction. I'm not saying that in | :29:57. | :30:02. | |
any circumstances any business should have a right to discriminate | :30:03. | :30:05. | |
against people, it is just about whether they should have a right to | :30:06. | :30:07. | |
discriminate against ideas that whether they should have a right to | :30:08. | :30:14. | |
object to. In making the judgment last year, the judge concluded that | :30:15. | :30:18. | |
facilitate any lawful message, even facilitate any lawful message, even | :30:19. | :30:26. | |
objection to it. Doesn't that cover the areas that you might be | :30:27. | :30:28. | |
concerned about, in that if the message worth inciting violence or | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
hatred, message worth inciting violence or | :30:33. | :30:38. | |
covered by the law? -- worth. There are many bigoted things which are | :30:39. | :30:43. | |
lawful, many people hold quite reprehensible views, but they are | :30:44. | :30:50. | |
not unlawful, but according to this original judgments against Ashers, | :30:51. | :30:56. | |
potentially people that hold lawful but bigoted opinions would be in a | :30:57. | :31:02. | |
position where they could demand that printers and publishers, cake | :31:03. | :31:09. | |
makers, should be required to help facilitate the promotion of these | :31:10. | :31:12. | |
bigoted ideas that they hold, and that is a worrying trend or | :31:13. | :31:19. | |
possibility. We have to accept that in a free society people will hold | :31:20. | :31:22. | |
views that we might in a free society people will hold | :31:23. | :31:34. | |
say that they must be compiled to facilitate ideas which they | :31:35. | :31:38. | |
say that they must be compiled to to -- Compal. -- compelled. You said | :31:39. | :31:40. | |
there was in -- to -- Compal. -- compelled. You said | :31:41. | :31:46. | |
your part, to -- Compal. -- compelled. You said | :31:47. | :31:50. | |
conclusion, after years of fighting for the rights of minorities, how | :31:51. | :31:52. | |
much for the rights of minorities, how | :31:53. | :31:54. | |
the arguments that this centres on? for the rights of minorities, how | :31:55. | :32:01. | |
This is a unique and complex case, it is not about discrimination | :32:02. | :32:05. | |
against people, which is unlawful and rightly so. It is about whether | :32:06. | :32:11. | |
a service provider should be able to refuse to provide a message or an | :32:12. | :32:19. | |
idea that they conscientiously object to and I accept that this is | :32:20. | :32:24. | |
a minefield area. It is not clear-cut. My passion for human | :32:25. | :32:31. | |
rights means that I have two balance the rights of gay people and other | :32:32. | :32:37. | |
minorities against freedom of expression, and my inclination is to | :32:38. | :32:42. | |
go on the side of freedom, even though I fundamentally disagree with | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
go on the side of freedom, even what Ashers stand for, they do not | :32:47. | :32:48. | |
believe that gay people are entitled to equal rights and they think that | :32:49. | :32:52. | |
distillation against gay people is a good thing and I'm shocked they | :32:53. | :32:55. | |
think that, but at the end of the day, they have a right to hold that | :32:56. | :33:01. | |
view -- they think discrimination against gay people is a good thing. | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
Peter, thanks Who are the winners and losers | :33:06. | :33:08. | |
under the Government's Health officials in the US say that | :33:09. | :33:12. | |
a person who contracted the Zika virus, despite not having visited | :33:13. | :33:19. | |
countries affected by the outbreak, probably caught it through sexual | :33:20. | :33:22. | |
contact with their partner. If it's confirmed, it would be | :33:23. | :33:25. | |
the first case in the US of someone infected by the virus without it | :33:26. | :33:28. | |
being transmitted by a mosquito. The news comes as Brazilian health | :33:29. | :33:32. | |
officials say that more than 4000 babies have been born | :33:33. | :33:35. | |
with abnormally small The condition, known | :33:36. | :33:37. | |
as microcephaly, is believed to be Microcephaly is a rare | :33:38. | :33:41. | |
neurological condition. What does it mean for those | :33:42. | :33:46. | |
babies as they grow up? Jayne Freeman's son Robin was born | :33:47. | :33:50. | |
18 years ago with microcephaly. When did you first realise that | :33:51. | :34:05. | |
there was an issue with Robin's development? When he was born he was | :34:06. | :34:12. | |
small and he seemed pretty normal, in development, but as he got older | :34:13. | :34:19. | |
he did not get the milestones we expected and all the other children | :34:20. | :34:27. | |
were passing him by and he stayed. He did not regress and he did not go | :34:28. | :34:32. | |
any further, it was as if his brain stopped and we did not understand | :34:33. | :34:36. | |
why. He was diagnosed with microcephaly and I then understood | :34:37. | :34:39. | |
that his brain had stopped growing so he could not develop further. | :34:40. | :34:44. | |
Microcephaly is in the news because of the link with the Zika virus, do | :34:45. | :34:48. | |
you know why Robin has microcephaly? No, we don't. I had difficulties in | :34:49. | :34:55. | |
my pregnancy and I had a couple of blood transfusions during the | :34:56. | :35:00. | |
Caesarean, but I have no idea why he has got it. Robin, what is the | :35:01. | :35:10. | |
impact on you? The main thing is academically, because of my | :35:11. | :35:14. | |
microcephaly I had dyslexia might as well, and I'm very clumsy, and very | :35:15. | :35:20. | |
forgetful. -- dyslexia as well. I get constant headaches. Everyday, | :35:21. | :35:28. | |
just a headache. Do you take certain medication? Anything else apart from | :35:29. | :35:36. | |
normal headache pills? No, there's nothing I can do to get rid of it, | :35:37. | :35:40. | |
it is always going to be there and I have got used to it. Do you feel | :35:41. | :35:45. | |
that this is something that people are aware of around you? Do you make | :35:46. | :35:51. | |
people aware? Or do you try to get on as normal? I just tried to get | :35:52. | :35:58. | |
on, it is there, it is something I have to do -- I just try. Whether | :35:59. | :36:05. | |
difficulties for you when he was growing up -- word their | :36:06. | :36:14. | |
difficulties. Yes, when he was first diagnose, I went and googled it, it | :36:15. | :36:20. | |
was the worse case and arias, life limiting, and we were shocked and | :36:21. | :36:24. | |
upset -- it was the worst case scenario. But now we have other | :36:25. | :36:29. | |
parents with us and we are supporting each other. We have seen | :36:30. | :36:34. | |
each other's children for the beautiful children they are and we | :36:35. | :36:40. | |
are glad in a way that microcephaly is in the headlines, but this is a | :36:41. | :36:43. | |
double edged sword, we are also getting this information. -- | :36:44. | :36:51. | |
misinformation. And we also get roles. What has been going on with | :36:52. | :36:59. | |
trolls? People have been posting nasty pictures to our website, which | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
they have mopped up, comments saying that your children have got a | :37:04. | :37:06. | |
disease and you should put them down. -- mopped. Unfortunately, | :37:07. | :37:13. | |
yesterday and the day before, one of the people in our group had her | :37:14. | :37:17. | |
pictures stolen and they have been put on an anti-vaccine website | :37:18. | :37:25. | |
saying this is what happens if you do not vaccinate your babies. What | :37:26. | :37:31. | |
do you think of that, Robin? People are ignorant and they need to | :37:32. | :37:34. | |
understand that microcephaly, you are not going to catch it. | :37:35. | :37:39. | |
Basically, you are born with it, it will be there. You can't walk up to | :37:40. | :37:44. | |
someone and automatically get microcephaly. People need to know | :37:45. | :37:47. | |
this. Thanks for joining us. It's now emerging that telling | :37:48. | :37:56. | |
people to avoid travelling to regions affected by the Zika | :37:57. | :37:59. | |
virus may not be enough As I mentioned earlier, | :38:00. | :38:01. | |
US health officials believe someone in Texas may have been infected | :38:02. | :38:08. | |
simply by having sexual contact with a partner who had just come | :38:09. | :38:11. | |
back from Venezuela. Our health correspondent | :38:12. | :38:13. | |
James Gallagher is here. This would be the first case? The | :38:14. | :38:23. | |
first case in this outbreak, but there have been reported cases in | :38:24. | :38:26. | |
the past, but this seems to be something which is very rare. We | :38:27. | :38:32. | |
have only really seen the Zika infections where the mosquito is and | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
it has not spread outside of those regions, but this is something which | :38:37. | :38:39. | |
health officials are trying to get to the bottom of. How common is | :38:40. | :38:44. | |
this, how long after the infection can a person continued to spread the | :38:45. | :38:50. | |
virus? These are big questions which have not been answered. It will take | :38:51. | :38:54. | |
time to find out answers like this, but what is the best guidance? | :38:55. | :39:01. | |
Someone from Public Health England spoke about this and said at the | :39:02. | :39:05. | |
moment the best advice is to say 28 days with precautions. They said use | :39:06. | :39:12. | |
a, done for the month after you get back from an infected country, if | :39:13. | :39:16. | |
you did not even any symptoms at all, but six months if you developed | :39:17. | :39:26. | |
a fever -- use a, done for the month after you get back. This takes it | :39:27. | :39:34. | |
back from the parameters of a particular country. Yes, it brings | :39:35. | :39:41. | |
into question the possibilities of transmission, it into northern | :39:42. | :39:44. | |
Europe, where the mosquitoes do not exist at the moment. There is the | :39:45. | :39:48. | |
potential for spread into other countries, but we do not know how | :39:49. | :39:52. | |
easily it can spread. We know you can recover very quickly from a Zika | :39:53. | :39:57. | |
virus infection, but how long you remain infectious for is a big | :39:58. | :40:00. | |
question. In this very short period of time, that will not be a problem | :40:01. | :40:05. | |
for other countries, the virus will not be able to spread very quickly. | :40:06. | :40:14. | |
How easily could it spread? These questions that need answering, but | :40:15. | :40:19. | |
we don't have them. That is intimate contact, but what about lesser | :40:20. | :40:23. | |
contact Weston not are the questions over whether it could be an airborne | :40:24. | :40:30. | |
virus? -- what about lesser contact? There has been nothing about this. | :40:31. | :40:34. | |
Nothing like measles, no suggestion of that, with Zika, and in the | :40:35. | :40:40. | |
overwhelming majority of cases it needs a mosquito to bite one of us | :40:41. | :40:45. | |
and then by the other to spread the virus itself, sexual transmission | :40:46. | :40:49. | |
seems to be very rare, there has been no suggestion of breathing and | :40:50. | :40:54. | |
sneezing, an airborne type of transmission. Thanks for joining us. | :40:55. | :41:00. | |
Many people getting in touch regarding the EU proposals. Not many | :41:01. | :41:07. | |
of you seem to be convinced by the proposals. Rob says, David Cameron | :41:08. | :41:10. | |
has delivered what he proposals. Rob says, David Cameron | :41:11. | :41:14. | |
achieve, totally unconvincing, and who decided what he would and | :41:15. | :41:22. | |
written up -- who decided what he would demand? Graham says David | :41:23. | :41:27. | |
Cameron has achieved nothing, the reality is that Europe has not | :41:28. | :41:30. | |
agreed to a single one of his dumb arms on the basis of this agreement, | :41:31. | :41:37. | |
-- has not agreed to a single one of his demands, and on the basis of the | :41:38. | :41:40. | |
agreement the only logical conclusion is to leave. Keep your | :41:41. | :41:43. | |
thoughts coming in. Madonna goes to court today | :41:44. | :41:45. | |
in an attempt for force ex-husband Guy Ritchie to return | :41:46. | :41:50. | |
their son, Rocco, to the US. I was looking at the cloud | :41:51. | :42:04. | |
formations yesterday after our chat. I did not spot the beautiful ones | :42:05. | :42:10. | |
that you were showing us. It has been very interesting, we | :42:11. | :42:12. | |
that you were showing us. It has such a variety of weather, and the | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
reason is, we have a weather front, coming south, and this weather front | :42:18. | :42:18. | |
has produced rain, sleet and coming south, and this weather front | :42:19. | :42:24. | |
it is continuing to weaken, and behind it we are dragging in colder | :42:25. | :42:28. | |
air and clearer skies. I thought you might like to see pictures that | :42:29. | :42:30. | |
people have sent. We might like to see pictures that | :42:31. | :42:36. | |
Scotland. The weather front has cleared Scotland, this is in the | :42:37. | :42:42. | |
Outer Hebrides, a lovely clear sky, but a very cold start. This picture | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
was taken in Northern Ireland. The weather front had gone. The | :42:48. | :42:54. | |
beautiful sunrise is gorgeous. As the weather front went south, this | :42:55. | :42:57. | |
is a picture from Derbyshire, we had snow here. Quite high levels, | :42:58. | :43:04. | |
admittedly. Staffordshire, a similar story, the weather front slowly | :43:05. | :43:07. | |
moving south, and quite misty conditions. We had every kind of | :43:08. | :43:15. | |
whether going. Ahead of it all, in Wales, it was a cold start and | :43:16. | :43:20. | |
frosty, and we are starting to see some snow, and further south in | :43:21. | :43:25. | |
frosty, and we are starting to see Surrey, it was a beautiful start to | :43:26. | :43:27. | |
the day, but now we have cloud spilling down. As the weather front | :43:28. | :43:33. | |
bumps into the milder air, temperatures are now rising and it | :43:34. | :43:38. | |
will just be rain or patchy rain. The colder air behind it. Do you | :43:39. | :43:42. | |
like it when it is cold at this time of year? I do, as long as it is nice | :43:43. | :43:49. | |
and bright. I agree. Keep the seasons as they are. It is cold | :43:50. | :43:54. | |
today, but through the rest of the week, we have the milder air once | :43:55. | :43:59. | |
again. I won't complain about that. We are back in blue once again. The | :44:00. | :44:04. | |
weather is all over the place. It keeps us on our toes. Thank you. | :44:05. | :44:11. | |
Today the band of rain will move to the south, taking the cloud with it, | :44:12. | :44:17. | |
still gusting winds, it has to be said. They will ease through the | :44:18. | :44:23. | |
rest of the day. There is a mixture of sunny spells and showers behind | :44:24. | :44:28. | |
it, the showers will be scattered. Some will be in Northern Ireland, | :44:29. | :44:30. | |
but equally some sunshine, and Some will be in Northern Ireland, | :44:31. | :44:35. | |
across the North, northern Scotland, in the hills there will be a wintry | :44:36. | :44:37. | |
mixture, but at lower levels we are mixture, but at lower levels we are | :44:38. | :44:40. | |
looking at sunny skies and nowhere near as windy as it has been. It | :44:41. | :44:45. | |
will not feel as cold as a result, and the | :44:46. | :44:46. | |
will not feel as cold as a result, Northern England, heading to the | :44:47. | :44:48. | |
Midlands. Northern England, heading to the | :44:49. | :44:52. | |
over parts of East Anglia, Essex and Northern England, heading to the | :44:53. | :44:58. | |
Kent, there might be some showers in they will be few and far between. | :44:59. | :45:03. | |
The same for South West England and Wales. Most of us will miss the | :45:04. | :45:08. | |
showers, and there will also be sunshine. Overnight, showers ahead | :45:09. | :45:14. | |
of the weather front, it brings in the rain, bumping into the cold air, | :45:15. | :45:19. | |
there will be hills snow from that. Behind that, things begin to improve | :45:20. | :45:23. | |
in terms of the temperatures. Cold in the north-east. Milder conditions | :45:24. | :45:31. | |
come in, but right behind the front, temperatures in the south-west, way | :45:32. | :45:35. | |
up on what we have seen this morning, very different feel to the | :45:36. | :45:40. | |
day. The rain moves into the North Sea, replaced by another band coming | :45:41. | :45:45. | |
from the West. There will be cloud around Samarra, the heaviest rain | :45:46. | :45:49. | |
will be in the north, it will be patchy as we move around England and | :45:50. | :45:54. | |
Wales -- around tomorrow. Temperatures in double figures, | :45:55. | :45:59. | |
apart from North East Scotland. On Friday, bright skies to start in the | :46:00. | :46:03. | |
ease, but there will be cloud as we are pumping up south-westerly winds. | :46:04. | :46:09. | |
That is the milder air and the temperatures would get into double | :46:10. | :46:14. | |
figures. There will be some murky weather at the coast, but the other | :46:15. | :46:17. | |
thing we have is an Atlantic front and that will produce rain. It is | :46:18. | :46:23. | |
not moving quickly, the rain will be heavy and persistent, and behind | :46:24. | :46:25. | |
that the temperatures will start to dip. As we head into the weekend, it | :46:26. | :46:31. | |
takes some time before the front clears away from the south is, | :46:32. | :46:35. | |
probably Saturday morning, and then we have more pressure and more | :46:36. | :46:39. | |
France coming in for the weekend. It will be wet and windy at times this | :46:40. | :46:41. | |
weekend. -- fronts. Hello it's Wednesday, | :46:42. | :46:45. | |
it's ten o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria, welcome | :46:46. | :46:47. | |
to the programme if you've Will the rest of Europe get behind | :46:48. | :46:49. | |
David Cameron's package of reforms We'll be hearing from politicians | :46:50. | :46:56. | |
being asked to back the deal and we've been hearing | :46:57. | :47:00. | |
what voters here think. We see that when we trade with | :47:01. | :47:10. | |
European countries we are able to do so quickly and easily to bring their | :47:11. | :47:14. | |
local expertise here to London to build better businesses. The problem | :47:15. | :47:19. | |
we have at the moment is the uncontrolled speed at which we have | :47:20. | :47:22. | |
migration and we have no control on our borders. | :47:23. | :47:23. | |
This hit-and-run driver was caught on camera accelerating | :47:24. | :47:25. | |
The video clearly shows the car number plate - | :47:26. | :47:30. | |
so why can't the culprit be prosecuted? | :47:31. | :47:32. | |
Madonna is in court to try and force her son to come home | :47:33. | :47:37. | |
to New York but with 15-year-old Rocco wanting to stay put in London | :47:38. | :47:40. | |
with Guy Ritchie, will she get her way? | :47:41. | :47:51. | |
David Cameron will answer questions in the Commons on the deal he's | :47:52. | :47:57. | |
negotiated on Britain's EU membership. | :47:58. | :47:59. | |
Details of the draft offer are also being debated | :48:00. | :48:01. | |
The President of the European Commission says | :48:02. | :48:05. | |
the proposal is a fair settlement for Britain. | :48:06. | :48:11. | |
The settlement that has been proposed is fair for the UK and fair | :48:12. | :48:18. | |
for the other 27 member states. It is also fair for the European | :48:19. | :48:21. | |
Parliament. Health officials are trying | :48:22. | :48:22. | |
to confirm if an American with the Zika virus contracted it | :48:23. | :48:25. | |
through sexual contact. It is thought a patient in the state | :48:26. | :48:39. | |
of Texas became infected through sexual contact with a partner who | :48:40. | :48:40. | |
had been to Venezuela. The discovery of a man's body | :48:41. | :48:42. | |
on a cliff edge in Anglesey is being linked to a triple murder | :48:43. | :48:45. | |
investigation near Leeds. The bodies of a woman and two | :48:46. | :48:47. | |
children were found at a house The internet company, Yahoo, | :48:48. | :48:50. | |
is to cut its global workforce by 15 percent - about 1700 | :48:51. | :48:54. | |
people - after reporting a quarterly loss | :48:55. | :48:56. | |
of almost ?3 billion. The company is losing online | :48:57. | :48:58. | |
advertising to the likes of Google These pictures from China show | :48:59. | :49:01. | |
a backlog of 50,000 rail passengers stranded in the south | :49:02. | :49:09. | |
of the country. The authorities have been laying | :49:10. | :49:13. | |
on extra trains to try It's been caused by bad weather | :49:14. | :49:15. | |
that's hampering the country's busiest travel period - | :49:16. | :49:20. | |
the Chinese New Year getaway. Let's catch up with | :49:21. | :49:23. | |
all the sport now. Let's join John who can tell us | :49:24. | :49:26. | |
about a rather special It was and we can show it to you it | :49:27. | :49:37. | |
is turning into a remarkable story, Leicester City's season is becoming | :49:38. | :49:42. | |
the stuff of Hollywood and Jamie Vardy is threatening to achieve what | :49:43. | :49:47. | |
nobody thought possible at the start of this campaign. His two goals last | :49:48. | :49:51. | |
night, one of which was a stunning volley in aid to Noh victory over | :49:52. | :49:55. | |
Liverpool, sees Leicester maintained their lead at the top of the league | :49:56. | :50:03. | |
-- 2-0 victory. This was his first goal, worthy of a look. A stunning | :50:04. | :50:09. | |
volley from 30 yards out. A great goal. He is now the top scorer in | :50:10. | :50:15. | |
the league on 18 goals and it is efforts like that that have taken | :50:16. | :50:19. | |
Leicester to the top of the table. He was signed for just ?1 million | :50:20. | :50:21. | |
from non-league Fleetwood He was signed for just ?1 million | :50:22. | :50:26. | |
and he is now in line for a place He was signed for just ?1 million | :50:27. | :50:29. | |
Roy Hodgson's England squad at the European Championship. You can see | :50:30. | :50:34. | |
how pleased he was. This is what he and his manager thought about it. It | :50:35. | :50:40. | |
was unbelievable how Riyad Mahrez crowned with the long ball Vardy and | :50:41. | :50:46. | |
Vardy at the time to look at the keeper out of the goal and score a | :50:47. | :50:50. | |
fantastic goal. I was looking all game and he was quite far off his | :50:51. | :50:54. | |
line so when he's played it through and it's bounced quite high, I've | :50:55. | :50:57. | |
took my chance and luckily it's gone over the top of him. It was not the | :50:58. | :51:03. | |
only Premier League game last night. We will have reaction on all of | :51:04. | :51:07. | |
those matches on the BBC sport website. After the test victory | :51:08. | :51:11. | |
against South Africa England will focus on the shorter format of the | :51:12. | :51:15. | |
game, letting in the T20 World Cup in India next month. Their one-day | :51:16. | :51:19. | |
series gets underway today in Bloemfontein. They will see if Jason | :51:20. | :51:23. | |
Roy is fit enough to open the batting before naming their team. | :51:24. | :51:27. | |
Eoin Morgan is keen to stress how far the team have progressed since | :51:28. | :51:29. | |
the World Cup last year when they failed to get out of their group. I | :51:30. | :51:34. | |
think it is a bit scary to think, where we are at the moment, we have | :51:35. | :51:39. | |
come up against three very different sides, two World Cup finalists and | :51:40. | :51:45. | |
Pakistan away and two of the three series we have won. South Africa | :51:46. | :51:48. | |
will pose a very difficult challenge in their own backyard but our | :51:49. | :51:52. | |
objective is for the tour are to learn as much as we can and continue | :51:53. | :51:58. | |
to do so as we have in the past eight months. It was a great week at | :51:59. | :52:01. | |
the Australian open for British tennis, Jamie Murray took the | :52:02. | :52:05. | |
doubles title, Gordon Reid the wheelchair title. Britain die in the | :52:06. | :52:12. | |
Fed cup competition this year and Katie Swann will become the youngest | :52:13. | :52:16. | |
player in the petition at the age of just 16. She replaces Johanna Konta | :52:17. | :52:22. | |
who has withdrawn through illness. They begin their group games in the | :52:23. | :52:29. | |
competition tomorrow. And we love a sporting match up, pushing ourselves | :52:30. | :52:33. | |
to the limit of enjoyment and a true test of power and strength and we | :52:34. | :52:36. | |
might have stumbled across the perfect challenge of man against | :52:37. | :52:41. | |
machine. This is Bath Rugby who packed down to take on a Formula 1 | :52:42. | :52:45. | |
car at their training base. It does not sound like a fair contest. | :52:46. | :52:52. | |
Daniel Ricciardo's Red Bull car can reach 200 mph but it looks like they | :52:53. | :52:55. | |
are holding their own which is quite impressive but I think they might | :52:56. | :53:01. | |
need some new tires on the car! As we mentioned, Gordon Reid, we will | :53:02. | :53:06. | |
be speaking to him at about 10:30am on the programme. | :53:07. | :53:16. | |
Thank you for joining us this morning, welcome to the programme | :53:17. | :53:18. | |
if you've just joined us, we're on BBC 2 and the BBC | :53:19. | :53:21. | |
News Channel until 11am this morning. | :53:22. | :53:23. | |
So, David Cameron will brief Parliament today on proposals | :53:24. | :53:25. | |
to alter the terms of Britian's membership of the European Union - | :53:26. | :53:28. | |
but are his proposals enough for you? | :53:29. | :53:29. | |
The majority of you are not convinced. Doug has said that he is | :53:30. | :53:41. | |
pro-Europe but will be voting to leave the EU on the single issue of | :53:42. | :53:47. | |
immigration. I believe in some immigration of people with skills | :53:48. | :53:50. | |
and knowledge that will benefit the country but I don't believe in mass | :53:51. | :53:55. | |
immigration of Russ has said, Cameron appears to have a stay of | :53:56. | :53:58. | |
execution but we are still not in control of our borders. Richard says | :53:59. | :54:01. | |
that Texts will be charged | :54:02. | :54:08. | |
at the standard network rate. Wherever you are you can | :54:09. | :54:11. | |
watch our programme online, via the bbc news app | :54:12. | :54:13. | |
or our website bbc.co.uk/victoria. for an in-out referendum, | :54:14. | :54:29. | |
probably in the summer. about the draft deal | :54:30. | :54:34. | |
later and members of the European Parliament | :54:35. | :54:36. | |
are also debating the plans. European Commission President | :54:37. | :54:39. | |
Jean-Claude Juncker says the package of measures is fair for Britain | :54:40. | :54:41. | |
and the other 27 members of the EU. I've always said I wanted | :54:42. | :54:48. | |
the UK to remain a member of the European Union | :54:49. | :54:50. | |
on the basis of a fair deal. The settlement that has been | :54:51. | :54:55. | |
proposed is fair for the UK fair and fair for the other | :54:56. | :55:00. | |
27 member states. It is also fair for | :55:01. | :55:03. | |
the European Parliament. The European Parliament has | :55:04. | :55:07. | |
a key say in the process, I would add to this | :55:08. | :55:09. | |
that the European Union was based there are certain lines that can't | :55:10. | :55:48. | |
be crossed because that would mean And freedom of movement was one | :55:49. | :55:53. | |
of those principles. And it needs to be | :55:54. | :55:58. | |
taken into account. I am an Australian who lived | :55:59. | :56:02. | |
in Denmark for ten years and the UK I see all of the benefits of the EU | :56:03. | :56:05. | |
and my heart says stay in. Because there are travel | :56:06. | :56:10. | |
opportunities and commercial opportunities and technology | :56:11. | :56:11. | |
collaboration to solve big problems. And it's all to do with the elephant | :56:12. | :56:13. | |
in the room which is still that But what do politicians from other | :56:14. | :56:18. | |
countries in the European Union think of the draft | :56:19. | :56:22. | |
deal on the table? About the agreement I could say | :56:23. | :56:27. | |
confused from a legal base I welcome it and I am | :56:28. | :56:40. | |
ready to accept it. I hope we are going to use this | :56:41. | :56:59. | |
opportunity to make Europe stronger, more united and more able to meet | :57:00. | :57:02. | |
the challenges of today rather We support demands of Great Britain | :57:03. | :57:05. | |
sovereignty but we are very confused and very critical about cutting | :57:06. | :57:18. | |
of social benefits. I am very optimistic | :57:19. | :57:25. | |
about the ongoing negotiations, I would like to see the UK remaining | :57:26. | :57:28. | |
a member the EU. Well, this letter is not surprising | :57:29. | :57:35. | |
and is not going in the right direction but after all | :57:36. | :57:38. | |
the United Kingdom has to vote on whether or not its citizens think | :57:39. | :57:41. | |
that they are better MEPs will air their views | :57:42. | :57:43. | |
on migration and the UK's upcoming in-or-out EU referendum | :57:44. | :58:00. | |
in a three hour debate ahead of the European Council summit | :58:01. | :58:02. | |
on 18th and 19th February. Joining us from Strasbourg | :58:03. | :58:10. | |
is Ska Keller, an MEP What do you think about the | :58:11. | :58:23. | |
renegotiation? I think what has been the outcome of the deal and not | :58:24. | :58:27. | |
surprising, as was mentioned earlier, Cameron has his victory, we | :58:28. | :58:34. | |
are not necessarily happy about all the things proposed but this is not | :58:35. | :58:40. | |
what the referendum is about. The UK will decide whether to stay in the | :58:41. | :58:45. | |
European Union or not and that is on many more issues. It is the whole | :58:46. | :58:49. | |
question of whether we can face the challenges of our times and future | :58:50. | :58:54. | |
times when we are all together or the UK all on its own and from my | :58:55. | :59:00. | |
perspective, being on the side of those who might be left alone, I | :59:01. | :59:04. | |
would be very excited if the UK left. You said there were elements | :59:05. | :59:07. | |
you were unhappy about, what in particular? One might have to look | :59:08. | :59:17. | |
at whether this is actually a benefit for the citizens of the | :59:18. | :59:21. | |
European union which includes the citizens of the UK as well. One of | :59:22. | :59:27. | |
the main promises was also more subsidiarity, bringing power to | :59:28. | :59:34. | |
people, as it should be but still the European Parliament, for | :59:35. | :59:39. | |
example, where all citizens are represented including the UK, does | :59:40. | :59:43. | |
not have hardly any say about the proposals put on the table. At the | :59:44. | :59:48. | |
referendum is not about the letter between Cameron and Donald Tusk, it | :59:49. | :59:54. | |
is not about the fundamental question about whether UK citizens | :59:55. | :59:59. | |
want to engage in changing the EU in a better way and whether they think | :00:00. | :00:03. | |
they are better off within the EU and of course it is up to UK | :00:04. | :00:07. | |
citizens to decide that but from our point of view, it would be or I | :00:08. | :00:14. | |
would be grateful if the UK decided to stay with us and help us change | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
the European Union together because there is so much the UK has brought | :00:20. | :00:24. | |
to the EU and all of us together, culturally and politically dumb even | :00:25. | :00:27. | |
the language. It would be very sad if they left. | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
He said you would prefer the UK to stay and to help change the European | :00:32. | :00:40. | |
Union together -- you said. Do you think there are areas which need to | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
be reformed? The reforms that we need in the European Union is to | :00:46. | :00:53. | |
make it more democratic and to have people and what they want moderately | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
reflected at the European level, we have European citizens initiative -- | :00:58. | :01:02. | |
and what they want more reflected. We also need to get national | :01:03. | :01:08. | |
parliaments more on-board and to encourage citizens involvement and | :01:09. | :01:11. | |
we need to make sure that the European Union is of benefit to its | :01:12. | :01:18. | |
citizens, and that social issues are a crucial part, and also | :01:19. | :01:21. | |
environmental standards, consumer protection, these things which make | :01:22. | :01:25. | |
the single market possible in the first place. They need to be | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
strengthened and we need to make sure that we are fit to face the | :01:30. | :01:34. | |
challenges we are having, for example, the refugee crisis which we | :01:35. | :01:37. | |
have at the moment, we can only handle that at the European Union | :01:38. | :01:44. | |
level. Single member states have trouble facing this challenge, but | :01:45. | :01:47. | |
it would be much easier if we were all in this together. What is your | :01:48. | :01:55. | |
view on the renegotiation? You are an MEP. For us in Estonia it is | :01:56. | :02:03. | |
important that the United Kingdom stays in the European Union, because | :02:04. | :02:09. | |
if you look at the moment, all the critical situation in the European | :02:10. | :02:16. | |
Union, it is important that the UK stays in the EU. What concerns the | :02:17. | :02:22. | |
negotiations, of course all member states should be ready to assist the | :02:23. | :02:30. | |
UK to find a new balance so the majority of UK citizens will feel | :02:31. | :02:37. | |
also good in the future as members of the European Union. Do you think | :02:38. | :02:43. | |
what has been agreed in the renegotiation will change much? I'm | :02:44. | :02:52. | |
quite convinced that the outcome of talks will also change some issues | :02:53. | :02:57. | |
in the European Union. It is only the beginning of talks and the | :02:58. | :03:03. | |
European Union plays its role here. But the concerns, what the UK has, | :03:04. | :03:10. | |
it is also a concern for other member states, so I'm quite sure | :03:11. | :03:19. | |
that the outcome of the talks will make changes for the European Union. | :03:20. | :03:28. | |
What are the areas that other countries are concerned about? One | :03:29. | :03:36. | |
of the issues is the role of member states, including parliaments of | :03:37. | :03:43. | |
member states, it is one of the issues where I feel there is need | :03:44. | :03:49. | |
for some changes. But of course, also issues which at the moment is | :03:50. | :03:58. | |
very actual in the UK, the social reforms and social reforms are also | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
what concern immigrant workers. It looks like it is not only the issue | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
for the United Kingdom, but also for some other countries. MEP for | :04:09. | :04:16. | |
Estonia, thanks for joining us. Keep on getting in touch, let us know | :04:17. | :04:17. | |
what you think about the deal. We'll be finding out why this hit | :04:18. | :04:19. | |
and run driver who was caught accelerating into a cyclist | :04:20. | :04:26. | |
can't be prosecuted. One of the government's | :04:27. | :04:29. | |
main welfare reforms - the introduction | :04:30. | :04:31. | |
of Universal Credit - will, on average, leave | :04:32. | :04:32. | |
working families worse off, according to the Institute | :04:33. | :04:34. | |
for Fiscal Studies. But their analysis suggests that it | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
will encourage some people to find Universal Credit is being introduced | :04:40. | :04:42. | |
to simplify the benefits system - by merging things like tax credits, | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
housing benefits and job-seekers The IFS research suggests | :04:49. | :04:50. | |
the changes will see Around 2.1 million working | :04:51. | :04:57. | |
households will lose out But on the flip side 1.8 million | :04:58. | :05:03. | |
working households will gain Of those out of work, | :05:04. | :05:09. | |
1.1 million will lose out, But some unemployed people | :05:10. | :05:16. | |
will gain from the changes, with 500,000 households gaining | :05:17. | :05:24. | |
an average of ?1,000 a year. Those relatively likely to gain | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
include low-earning households in rented accommodation and | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
one-earner couples with children. Lone parents with a job, | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
those with assets or unearned income, and two-earner couples | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
are more likely to lose. Well, here to explain | :05:42. | :05:43. | |
is Andrew Hood from the Institute for Fiscal Studies, along | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
with Kathleen Kerridge, a mum whose husband works full-time | :05:50. | :05:52. | |
- they receive a combination of tax Janette Davey, who | :05:53. | :05:55. | |
receives some benefits. She's a single mum who works | :05:56. | :06:05. | |
part-time as a secondary school teacher and runs two | :06:06. | :06:07. | |
start-up businesses. And Mark Garnier, the Conservative | :06:08. | :06:09. | |
MP who sits on the House of Commons' What are the changes first of all? | :06:10. | :06:22. | |
It is about simple occasion. The structure of universal credit is | :06:23. | :06:24. | |
quite simple, each family has the amount they can earn before the | :06:25. | :06:27. | |
benefit will start to be withdrawn, that varies by family type, and | :06:28. | :06:33. | |
beyond that the benefit is withdrawn at 65p for every additional pound of | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
earnings. This is also about saving money. When it is fully in place it | :06:38. | :06:44. | |
will reduce benefit spending by ?2.7 billion a year and that is on top of | :06:45. | :06:47. | |
the other cuts, like the four-year freeze to most benefit rates. We | :06:48. | :06:54. | |
have spoken about the winners and losers, can you tell us more about | :06:55. | :07:01. | |
who will be hit the most? One of the groups hit hardest by universal | :07:02. | :07:04. | |
credit in its current form, working lone parents, on average those | :07:05. | :07:10. | |
receiving benefits, that will be replaced by universal credit, they | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
will be ?1000 a year worse off, and that is because the government has | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
repeatedly cut how much you can earn if you are a lone parent before | :07:19. | :07:21. | |
universal credit will start to be withdrawn and that is why they lose. | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
On the other hand, if you look at one earner couples with | :07:27. | :07:33. | |
On the other hand, if you look at year. Under the current system they | :07:34. | :07:45. | |
On the other hand, if you look at people losing, working lone | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
On the other hand, if you look at and two earner couples, how | :07:51. | :07:53. | |
On the other hand, if you look at that fit together? Universal credit | :07:54. | :07:56. | |
does not do much in terms of the incentive to work at the moment, but | :07:57. | :07:59. | |
it reduces the number of people who have very weak incentives. There are | :08:00. | :08:05. | |
600,000 people who if they earn an extra pounds they lose more than 90p | :08:06. | :08:08. | |
of that in tax and withdrawn benefit. Under universal credit that | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
is not possible, everyone will keep 23p of every pound they earn. | :08:15. | :08:21. | |
Kathleen, you are part of a couple, your husband earns an URA stay at | :08:22. | :08:31. | |
home mother. I'm a writer. -- and you are a stay at home mother. How | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
are you likely to be affected? It looks like we will be one of the | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
families that gain on paper, but in reality, with this government so | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
far, everything they have said we have learned to take with a pinch of | :08:46. | :08:48. | |
salt, the instability and fee is always hanging over you, what is | :08:49. | :08:54. | |
going to come next? -- fear. You should be ?500 a year better off. I | :08:55. | :09:00. | |
should be. If it turns out like that, that makes a big difference to | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
you? Yes, it will. Every penny makes a big difference to me and thousands | :09:06. | :09:09. | |
of families like mine. Where you work hard and you are scrimping and | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
saving and paying high rents and taxes and everything else, so every | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
penny you gain helps. Janette, URA single working man, you | :09:18. | :09:34. | |
should the ?1000 worse off according to predictions -- you should be. | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
That is not encouraging, considering how hard many single parents work, | :09:40. | :09:45. | |
in fact all parents work very hard, and so to hear that we will be worse | :09:46. | :09:50. | |
off is not exactly an incentive. To hear that you are probably better | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
off not to work, although obviously what the report does not mention is | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
that there will be conditions, so you have to work a minimum amount of | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
hours anyway. You have not got an option really of not working, | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
because then you will be sanctioned. You are in a lose lose situation, I | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
feel, unless you are earning a huge amount of money. Mark Carney A, Tory | :10:12. | :10:17. | |
MP, why should a single working mother like be worse off? It is | :10:18. | :10:23. | |
important to take the universal credit in the context of the wider | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
things that the government is doing. Taxes are actually coming down, | :10:28. | :10:30. | |
despite what Kathleen said, for single mothers and single parents, | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
we are introducing free childcare, a number of things we are trying to do | :10:35. | :10:37. | |
for people who are self-employed, as well. We are trying to help them set | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
up their businesses and we are also bringing in a national minimum | :10:43. | :10:45. | |
living wage which will increase the rate at which people work over and | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
above the inflationary rises in the living wage. There are a raft of | :10:51. | :10:55. | |
things we are doing which need to be taken into context with what is | :10:56. | :10:57. | |
being done with universal credit and it will be interesting to hear | :10:58. | :11:04. | |
whether Andrew has done this on the universal credit in isolation or | :11:05. | :11:07. | |
whether they are taking into account the wider effects of the other help | :11:08. | :11:10. | |
that the government is trying to give. Bear in mind, we have created | :11:11. | :11:16. | |
far more jobs in the economy but 2.7 million new jobs, and on top of | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
that, we are finding that the problem we have the economy, we have | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
too few skills for the jobs which are available. We are trying to help | :11:25. | :11:30. | |
people to get into those skilled jobs by having 3000 more | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
apprenticeships. Andrew, what is your answer? Mark is right, for the | :11:35. | :11:43. | |
report the focus was looking at the impact of universal credit itself, | :11:44. | :11:46. | |
but previous work on the ISS has said things like the living wage | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
will not compensate low income families for the impact of other | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
benefit cuts -- previous work from the ISS. The OBR thinks that the | :11:55. | :12:00. | |
national living wage might increase earnings by about ?4 billion, but | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
the government is as it is planning a ?12 billion cut to benefits so low | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
income families will be worse off. It is not clear-cut say that someone | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
like Janette will be worse off, though? She will get help with | :12:15. | :12:20. | |
childcare. On average, working lone parents will be ?1000 worse off in a | :12:21. | :12:25. | |
world with universal credit than without, but other changes might | :12:26. | :12:32. | |
boost or reduce incomes of people like Janette, and the other thing to | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
say, we are not taking into account other benefit cuts. We have a | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
statement from the Department for Work and Pensions. It says: | :12:42. | :13:09. | |
Mark, that is the point you were making an Andrew has responded to | :13:10. | :13:19. | |
that. -- am. If there are working people out there who feel they are | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
being left worse off as a result of changes that are being made to the | :13:23. | :13:28. | |
tax credits or anything else, that potentially sends a message to them | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
that when they hear the government say they are all about supporting | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
people who are doing the right thing, they might feel that is a | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
sham? That is a reasonable comment to make, but having said that, it is | :13:41. | :13:46. | |
worth going back to the beginning of the process, of the in work tax | :13:47. | :13:52. | |
credits and the various benefits, and erase as an extent you have got | :13:53. | :13:55. | |
to go back to when William Beveridge wrote his report -- actually to an | :13:56. | :14:03. | |
extent. Way back when. Part of that, as a society we feel we need to help | :14:04. | :14:06. | |
those people who are struggling for one reason or another and everyone | :14:07. | :14:10. | |
would agree with that. When Beveridge introduced the proposals | :14:11. | :14:13. | |
for the welfare state he made it clear that the welfare state was not | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
about providing a alternative to hard work. What has happened, over | :14:18. | :14:25. | |
60 years since then, the benefits that have been paid out have | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
increased in real terms by about 50%, and we have got to this | :14:30. | :14:33. | |
situation where it becomes very difficult to move from being out of | :14:34. | :14:41. | |
work into work, and you actually, as the IFS report says, and they are a | :14:42. | :14:44. | |
very intelligent group, but this report highlights the fact that for | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
each extra pound you earn you only see 10p of that, and so we have got | :14:50. | :14:52. | |
ourselves fundamentally into a very peculiar place. People are relying | :14:53. | :14:59. | |
increasingly on benefits. I do accept that with all of these | :15:00. | :15:05. | |
changes, inevitably it will be a very unfortunate situation where | :15:06. | :15:08. | |
some people will be slightly worse off than others and others will | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
benefit, but we are trying to move to a very fundamental change from a | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
system which fundamentally is broken and fundamentally is costing a huge | :15:19. | :15:21. | |
amount of money, and fundamentally is this incentivising many people to | :15:22. | :15:27. | |
work into a system where it will work better for everybody out there. | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
Ultimately people are better when they are in work, they are healthier | :15:32. | :15:34. | |
and happier and they feel they are contributing to society, but people | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
who are unemployed and who can't find work and who are struggling | :15:39. | :15:41. | |
they tend to have mental health issues, tend to be depressed, ten to | :15:42. | :15:45. | |
feel they are not part of society around them, and this is part of a | :15:46. | :15:50. | |
much bigger picture we are trying to achieve as this government, to make | :15:51. | :15:53. | |
people feel worthwhile and take control of their lives, rather than | :15:54. | :15:55. | |
being clients of the state. And a final question on Europe. You | :15:56. | :16:07. | |
did warn last year before the EU referendum that the prospect of it | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
was hitting investment. Art you glad we are almost there? -- are you. I | :16:13. | :16:19. | |
am, the sooner we get to the other side of this the better. I was | :16:20. | :16:23. | |
looking at some numbers this morning to do with household vulnerability | :16:24. | :16:29. | |
and households are still very vulnerable as a result of the credit | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
bubble before the 2008 financial crisis. Households are going to be | :16:35. | :16:41. | |
the losers if we get this experiment with politics wrong. I think leaving | :16:42. | :16:47. | |
the EU is an experiment in politics. It potentially increases the risk to | :16:48. | :16:50. | |
household far too much. Businesses need surety, they need to know what | :16:51. | :16:54. | |
the relationship will be between Britain and Europe. If we vote to | :16:55. | :17:02. | |
come out and we have a two-year protracted process of extricating | :17:03. | :17:05. | |
ourselves from Europe, businesses will be reluctant to invest, that | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
will hit households. I'm keen that we vote to stay in. Do you think the | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
renegotiation was a success? I think so in general it is always going to | :17:16. | :17:22. | |
be difficult and we have to get this through the EU meeting at the back | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
end of the month. There are 28 nations which have to agree on this. | :17:28. | :17:31. | |
It was interesting hearing the piece before this about whether or not | :17:32. | :17:37. | |
European MEPs are happy or not about it. The more that are happy about | :17:38. | :17:41. | |
it, the more I'm slightly suspicious, but there seem to be few | :17:42. | :17:45. | |
who think it is going too far and that is kind of what I want to hear. | :17:46. | :17:49. | |
Clearly David Cameron has triggered the agreement of all 28 member | :17:50. | :17:53. | |
states but it's probably as good as he can get. The other important | :17:54. | :17:58. | |
point, people don't necessarily understand our relationship with | :17:59. | :18:02. | |
Europe. Listening to members of your audience, we do have secured borders | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
because we are not in the Schengen zone, we are going to be able to | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
control immigration, we don't have mass immigration and it is worth | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
bearing in mind that immigration benefits our economy. Net migration | :18:15. | :18:17. | |
is obviously a long way above what the government said they would do. | :18:18. | :18:23. | |
We are out of time for now but no doubt we can talk more about those | :18:24. | :18:25. | |
issues another This footage clearly shows a hit | :18:26. | :18:38. | |
and run driver speeding We'll be asking why the culprit | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
can't be prosecuted. And Madonna goes to court today | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
in an attempt for force ex-husband Guy Ritchie to return | :18:48. | :18:49. | |
their son, Rocco, to the US. David Cameron is to try to persuade | :18:50. | :18:52. | |
MPs to back a deal he hopes will keep Britain in | :18:53. | :19:04. | |
the European Union. The deal is being debated now | :19:05. | :19:06. | |
in the European parliament. The President of the European | :19:07. | :19:09. | |
Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, says the proposals | :19:10. | :19:11. | |
are good for all sides. The settlement that has been | :19:12. | :19:14. | |
proposed is fair for the UK and fair It is also fair for | :19:15. | :19:17. | |
the European Parliament. Health officials in the US | :19:18. | :19:26. | |
are investigating a case of a Zika virus infection contracted | :19:27. | :19:30. | |
from another person, It's thought a patient in the state | :19:31. | :19:32. | |
of Texas became infected The discovery of a man's body | :19:33. | :19:40. | |
on a cliff edge in Anglesey is being linked to a triple murder | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
investigation near Leeds. The bodies of a woman and two | :19:46. | :19:47. | |
children were found at a house And if you thought your commute | :19:48. | :19:50. | |
was bad then take a look at these pictures from China, | :19:51. | :19:56. | |
showing a backlog of 50,000 rail passengers stranded | :19:57. | :19:58. | |
in the south of the country. The authorities have been laying | :19:59. | :20:01. | |
on extra trains to try It's been caused by bad weather | :20:02. | :20:03. | |
that's hampering the country's busiest travel period - | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
the Chinese New Year getaway. Let's catch up with | :20:09. | :20:14. | |
all the sport now. And a grand slam winner with you? I | :20:15. | :20:27. | |
have esteemed company with me, old and read, who won the men's | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
wheelchair title in the Australian Open last week in a great week for | :20:32. | :20:40. | |
British tennis -- Gordon Reid. You got your hands on the title to win | :20:41. | :20:47. | |
the men's singles wheelchair title. What a crazy few days it has been | :20:48. | :20:52. | |
for you, you must be delighted? I'm really happy with the results out | :20:53. | :20:58. | |
there, it was a great tournament for me and the aftermath has been pretty | :20:59. | :21:04. | |
crazy. And your name alongside the likes of Jamie Murray, Andy Murray | :21:05. | :21:07. | |
made it to the final, you are putting your sport on the map with | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
your achievements. The fact that so many people are mentioning my name | :21:13. | :21:16. | |
and wheelchair tennis in the same breath and alongside Jamie and Andy | :21:17. | :21:20. | |
and able-bodied tennis that is a real honour for me and it is | :21:21. | :21:25. | |
fantastic for the exposure of the sport. And there was a massive push | :21:26. | :21:31. | |
after London 2012 with the Paralympics, with yourself and jaw | :21:32. | :21:35. | |
Dan White leave doing a great deal for the sport, it is pushing it into | :21:36. | :21:37. | |
the amazing -- Joe Dunne I can definitely see how the media | :21:38. | :21:48. | |
and public have changed the perception of the sport and there is | :21:49. | :21:51. | |
a lot more interest and more people are wanting to watch us and support | :21:52. | :21:55. | |
us. It is definitely going in the right direction and with Rio this | :21:56. | :22:01. | |
year there will be more and more interest and hopefully it keeps | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
going. Let's talk about Rio because you have a busy summer with the | :22:07. | :22:12. | |
Paralympics and at Wimbledon as well, for the first time they will | :22:13. | :22:17. | |
be holding men's singles wheelchair tennis for the first time so I | :22:18. | :22:22. | |
exceptionally busy period for you? It will be a very busy summer but | :22:23. | :22:28. | |
really exciting times for the sport and for myself and the other | :22:29. | :22:30. | |
athletes who will be competing at Wimbledon for the first time in | :22:31. | :22:35. | |
singles which is huge for the sport. It will be nice to play in front of | :22:36. | :22:38. | |
the home crowds. And part of the Aral Olympics GB team -- | :22:39. | :22:50. | |
Paralympics. How tough will it be playing singles on the grass? You | :22:51. | :22:53. | |
have so much more ground to cover than with doubles? Obviously you | :22:54. | :23:00. | |
have a part in helping you in doubles so singles is a bit tougher | :23:01. | :23:05. | |
on the body and adding to that, playing on grass is tougher on the | :23:06. | :23:09. | |
upper body and the arms so it takes a bit more energy to get around the | :23:10. | :23:15. | |
court. It will be a different challenge but it is fun to play on | :23:16. | :23:19. | |
grass, I have enjoyed playing doubles there for the last few years | :23:20. | :23:23. | |
and it will be a nice challenge and a good opportunity. And having been | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
out in Melbourne, that's not at the top of your mind about a lot going | :23:29. | :23:35. | |
on in Rio at the moment with the Zika virus and delays in venue, has | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
that even crossed your mind? Is it something you are thinking about? | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
Not really, I haven't really been thinking about it with all the stuff | :23:47. | :23:51. | |
going on. It has been mentioned and I am sure we will get advice before | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
we go there, but as long as we take the right precautions, everything | :23:57. | :24:00. | |
will be fine and we can focus on our performances. And still revelling in | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
your success at the moment? Yes, just enjoy it while it lasts. Thank | :24:06. | :24:10. | |
you for coming in this morning. Thing is crossed, plenty to look | :24:11. | :24:14. | |
forward to from Gordon with Wimbledon and rear. | :24:15. | :24:17. | |
Now, we want to show you some shocking video of the moment | :24:18. | :24:21. | |
a cyclist was left for dead after being hit by a car | :24:22. | :24:24. | |
The car you can see follows the cyclist from a distance around | :24:25. | :24:33. | |
a roundabout before suddenly accelerating | :24:34. | :24:34. | |
Police say there's not enough evidence to prosecute anyone | :24:35. | :24:38. | |
because they can't prove who was driving. | :24:39. | :24:41. | |
I'm joined by our correspondent Frankie McCamley. | :24:42. | :24:48. | |
Extraordinary that a collision is caught on camera, worn by the | :24:49. | :24:55. | |
cyclist. Talk us through what it shows and the issue. It is quite a | :24:56. | :25:02. | |
shocking video and it has had nearly 40,000 views online having been | :25:03. | :25:07. | |
posted by the cyclist, Reginald Scott. You can see that the cyclist | :25:08. | :25:15. | |
is coming off this roundabout in Nottingham, he is followed by a | :25:16. | :25:21. | |
silver Volvo coming up behind him. It is quite a distance and it | :25:22. | :25:24. | |
suddenly accelerate and shunts the bicycle and you can see the cyclist | :25:25. | :25:31. | |
falling to the ground and you can hear the cyclist groaning, in a lot | :25:32. | :25:36. | |
of pain. Reginald Scott, the cyclist, said it took him four | :25:37. | :25:41. | |
months to recover from this. He had severe back injuries and internal | :25:42. | :25:47. | |
haemorrhaging. You can clearly see the registration plate of the | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
vehicle so police could track it down. They said it belonged to a | :25:52. | :25:55. | |
higher company pulls that they said it was sub leased to a number of | :25:56. | :26:06. | |
companies -- a hire company. They tracked down a man and his wife, | :26:07. | :26:10. | |
they spoke to them but neither admits to driving the vehicle at the | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
time. They say they can not prosecute those people because it | :26:15. | :26:17. | |
would be a miscarriage of justice and there is not enough evidence on | :26:18. | :26:21. | |
this video alone to prove who was in the vehicle so they can't say it was | :26:22. | :26:28. | |
one or the other. The man who was the lead driver, they have been able | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
to fine him ?150 and put six points on his licence for not reporting the | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
incident occurs he was in charge of the vehicle, and for not providing | :26:38. | :26:43. | |
private giggles -- because he was in charge of the vehicle and for not | :26:44. | :26:50. | |
providing driver details. This was a statement from Nottinghamshire | :26:51. | :26:51. | |
Police. They say that without any more | :26:52. | :27:03. | |
evidence, there is nothing more they can do. The cyclist felt the need to | :27:04. | :27:08. | |
post this video online because he feels he has been let down by the | :27:09. | :27:10. | |
authorities. Thank you. If you thought peak hour | :27:11. | :27:16. | |
at Waterloo or Euston was bad - spare a thought for these rail | :27:17. | :27:18. | |
passengers in China. A staggering 50,000 of them | :27:19. | :27:21. | |
have been left stranded Bad weather is hampering | :27:22. | :27:23. | |
the country's busiest travel period Extra trains are being put | :27:24. | :27:26. | |
on to try to clear the backlog. Our Correspondent John Sudworth | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
is at Guangzhou Station As you say, the miseries | :27:32. | :27:33. | |
of the travelling public anywhere else probably pale into | :27:34. | :27:39. | |
insignificance compared to this. This is the time of year that | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
hundreds of millions of Chinese passengers take to the network, | :27:44. | :27:47. | |
heading home for Chinese New Year. Many of them facing journeys | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
of 18 hours, 24 hours. Pretty miserable at the best | :27:53. | :28:00. | |
of times but their woes have been compounded this year by that bad | :28:01. | :28:03. | |
weather which has caused a snarl up At the peak 100,000 passengers | :28:04. | :28:07. | |
were stranded here, packed shoulder to shoulder | :28:08. | :28:14. | |
on the concourse behind me. Many of them migrant workers heading | :28:15. | :28:16. | |
home for their only They won't have seen friends, | :28:17. | :28:18. | |
families, children even, since this time last year, | :28:19. | :28:21. | |
so pretty frustrating. The authorities | :28:22. | :28:23. | |
are doing two things. They have drafted in 1000 extra | :28:24. | :28:29. | |
police officers to add to the 3,000 already on duty at the station | :28:30. | :28:32. | |
to deal with any public order They are also bringing in about 20 | :28:33. | :28:35. | |
extra trains over the last 24 hours. The queues are starting to move | :28:36. | :28:43. | |
and people are starting to clear. That backlog is disappearing, | :28:44. | :28:50. | |
albeit slowly. With a bit of luck most of these | :28:51. | :28:53. | |
people should be back home for Chinese New Year, | :28:54. | :28:56. | |
New Year's Eve, on Sunday evening. Many of them reconnecting for that | :28:57. | :29:00. | |
well earned break with families and friends, enjoying | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
the Chinese Christmas dumplings, we hope, in the safety | :29:05. | :29:05. | |
of their own homes. Madonna goes to court today | :29:06. | :29:11. | |
in an attempt for force ex-husband Guy Ritchie to return | :29:12. | :29:14. | |
their son, Rocco, to the US despite him saying he wants to stay | :29:15. | :29:16. | |
with his dad in England. A US judge has already ruled Rocco | :29:17. | :29:19. | |
must return to live with his mum - but for the time being he's | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
refusing to leave his dad. Today a final decision should be | :29:24. | :29:26. | |
made on where Rocco can live. Let's talk now to showbiz | :29:27. | :29:31. | |
journalist Louisa Gannon, and Marilyn Stowe, | :29:32. | :29:33. | |
Senior Partner at Stowe Family Law. Louise, it is painful to be going to | :29:34. | :29:47. | |
a custody battle, it is being played out so publicly. That will make it | :29:48. | :29:52. | |
even harder for them. How has it come to this? They got divorced | :29:53. | :29:59. | |
years ago. Yes, they did. It has come to this at the moment, it | :30:00. | :30:04. | |
happened around Christmas, he came over to spend time with his dad, and | :30:05. | :30:08. | |
she wanted him back home for Christmas. He did not come and she | :30:09. | :30:13. | |
got a Manhattan judge to issue an order saying he had to come back, | :30:14. | :30:19. | |
but he didn't. Then the situation went into an impact when he was not | :30:20. | :30:24. | |
coming home, school is starting. -- went into an impasse. I've | :30:25. | :30:30. | |
interviewed Madonna and she's very bothered about their education, but | :30:31. | :30:37. | |
he was not coming, she flew to London the beginning of this week to | :30:38. | :30:40. | |
try and sort it out but it has not been sorted out and now she is gone | :30:41. | :30:46. | |
back to court again. We see her as a global icon, but this is about her | :30:47. | :30:50. | |
as a mother. Yes, she is totally domestic. She has been putting | :30:51. | :30:55. | |
things out on social media. Giving an insight into how she's feeling. | :30:56. | :31:01. | |
She has been giving an insight into how she's feeling, but I think the | :31:02. | :31:04. | |
greatest insight she has been giving into how she is feeding is the way | :31:05. | :31:09. | |
she is behaving. This is Madonna, she is a control freak, always on | :31:10. | :31:13. | |
time for everything -- she is feeling. She has been turning up | :31:14. | :31:20. | |
late for concerts, she has said things during the show which is not | :31:21. | :31:23. | |
like her, swearing and talking about the situation. I feel very sorry for | :31:24. | :31:29. | |
her, because you can see she is going through a complete red down | :31:30. | :31:35. | |
over this. -- break down. I've spoken to her about her children and | :31:36. | :31:39. | |
how she feels about being a mother so many times, and I know we think | :31:40. | :31:44. | |
of her as Madonna, the superstar, but she is really concerned to be a | :31:45. | :31:53. | |
good mother. How hands-on is she? The parents are living in different | :31:54. | :31:54. | |
countries. She does The parents are living in different | :31:55. | :32:00. | |
them to the office with her, and I was have a different opinion -- | :32:01. | :32:06. | |
joke. What she is concerned about, and this is a woman who lost her own | :32:07. | :32:09. | |
mother at the age of five, she is concerned about bringing them up as | :32:10. | :32:11. | |
good human beings. concerned about bringing them up as | :32:12. | :32:16. | |
about discipline and school and education and good manners, and she | :32:17. | :32:20. | |
has told me things by, she is bad cop and she admits it. -- told me | :32:21. | :32:28. | |
things like. When she was married to Guy, anything on the floor would go | :32:29. | :32:31. | |
into a bin bag and it would be dumped or they would have to do good | :32:32. | :32:35. | |
deeds to get their clothes back. That is a | :32:36. | :32:42. | |
deeds to get their clothes back. She said Guy is the one who would | :32:43. | :32:44. | |
come up with sweets, but she had banned sweets. She is as hands-on as | :32:45. | :32:50. | |
she can be doing the job she does, but she would like her kids with | :32:51. | :32:54. | |
her. In terms of where they have been growing up, here or there? When | :32:55. | :33:00. | |
she was with Guy, over here, but since then they have been in America | :33:01. | :33:07. | |
with her, with free rein to come. Rocco has been at school in the | :33:08. | :33:14. | |
states? Yes. Marilyn can give us the legal perspective on this, is the | :33:15. | :33:19. | |
Lord Carey cut on this? Rocco is 15. -- is the law clear-cut on this? The | :33:20. | :33:26. | |
law will look at jurisdiction, where should the case be heard? New York, | :33:27. | :33:32. | |
where the judge made the order for the return or should be made in this | :33:33. | :33:36. | |
country? If she is trying to enforce that under the Hague Convention, I | :33:37. | :33:44. | |
think it will boil down to an issue of habitual residence, where does | :33:45. | :33:50. | |
this boy think he is residing? I think he will apply for his own | :33:51. | :33:54. | |
lawyers to represent him, and I think he will put his point of view. | :33:55. | :33:59. | |
I would be very interested in hearing about how the focus is on | :34:00. | :34:04. | |
Madonna. In England the focus is on the child, the welfare of the child. | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
That is paramount. The check list that the court will apply is all | :34:10. | :34:14. | |
about what are the needs of the child and the needs of the parents | :34:15. | :34:19. | |
to meet those needs. There are many things the court will take into | :34:20. | :34:22. | |
account, the emotional issues and education, and so forth. The court | :34:23. | :34:27. | |
can say, actually, on balance, he should go back to the United States. | :34:28. | :34:34. | |
But how on earth do you send a 15-year-old child back to the United | :34:35. | :34:37. | |
States kicking and screaming when he doesn't want to go? My own view, | :34:38. | :34:44. | |
this is a case for stepping back, parenting, allowing him space, | :34:45. | :34:50. | |
recognising his age and actually he would like to be with his dad for a | :34:51. | :34:56. | |
bit, letting him do it. Taking somebody to court at the age of 15, | :34:57. | :35:00. | |
having it all over the American press and the British press, in my | :35:01. | :35:04. | |
view that is not the way to go and parent a 15-year-old child. Custody | :35:05. | :35:09. | |
across two countries must be problematic because the child will | :35:10. | :35:16. | |
have ties in one country more than another. In the end, how do judges | :35:17. | :35:23. | |
decide what is in the best interest of that child when they are of the | :35:24. | :35:30. | |
age where they have strong views? Under the Hague Convention, it | :35:31. | :35:33. | |
finishes when the child is 16, which will be in August. The convention | :35:34. | :35:39. | |
will not apply anyway at that point. Custody does not apply in this | :35:40. | :35:44. | |
country, we long since abolished the custody concept and what we have now | :35:45. | :35:48. | |
is a child arrangement's programme. Where should the child live and how | :35:49. | :35:52. | |
long with each parent and what sort of contact should he have with each? | :35:53. | :35:57. | |
My view is, in a case like this, it is easily solvable. This child has a | :35:58. | :36:03. | |
aeroplane is at his disposal he is the best possible education, he has | :36:04. | :36:08. | |
great assets -- it is not about what a parent wants -- this child has a | :36:09. | :36:15. | |
aeroplane is at his disposal. It is about what a 50 new old boy once. -- | :36:16. | :36:22. | |
it is about what a 15-year-old boy wants. You say it is easily | :36:23. | :36:27. | |
solvable, but what about the parents? They have got to start | :36:28. | :36:31. | |
thinking about the needs of the child, rather than their own needs, | :36:32. | :36:34. | |
but of course it is upsetting and distressing. Transnational cases are | :36:35. | :36:39. | |
sometimes the hardest that any judge has to decide, because children and | :36:40. | :36:42. | |
parents are thousands of miles away from each other. But it has got to | :36:43. | :36:47. | |
be done, and parents have got to pull together and get a grip and | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
realise that this is an older child with his own views and his own | :36:52. | :36:55. | |
requirements and his own needs, and I gave you, step back. She's not | :36:56. | :37:01. | |
going to lose in -- and take a view. The way to losing is to try and | :37:02. | :37:06. | |
force her views onto that child. In English law we look at the welfare | :37:07. | :37:11. | |
of the child, the holistic overall view, what is best for the child? | :37:12. | :37:16. | |
Louise, what is the situation with other kids? This is the only child | :37:17. | :37:21. | |
they have got together, and I completely agree, in one way, | :37:22. | :37:27. | |
Madonna has got to lose the battle to win the war, because ultimately | :37:28. | :37:33. | |
she does not want to lose her child, she does not want this to be the | :37:34. | :37:39. | |
pattern of their relationship. It has been paying for what he has put | :37:40. | :37:45. | |
on social media. -- painful. She feels mother knows best and she does | :37:46. | :37:50. | |
not want her child to be turning into some showbiz brat, she has been | :37:51. | :37:55. | |
very careful to keep them tightly on a leash when she is with them and | :37:56. | :38:00. | |
she fears that will happen if they are away from her. We will see how | :38:01. | :38:05. | |
it unfolds. Louise and Marilyn, thanks for joining us. | :38:06. | :38:08. | |
Actress Halle Berry has described the current storm over racial | :38:09. | :38:10. | |
diversity in Hollywood as "heartbreaking". | :38:11. | :38:11. | |
She remains the only black woman to receive an Oscar | :38:12. | :38:14. | |
for Best Actress, for her role in Monster's Ball back in 2002. | :38:15. | :38:17. | |
The row was sparked because not a single black, Asian or Hispanic | :38:18. | :38:20. | |
performer has been put forward for a Best Actor, | :38:21. | :38:23. | |
Actress, Supporting Actor or Supporting Actress Academy Award | :38:24. | :38:24. | |
Ms Berry told a conference in Los Angeles she never imagined | :38:25. | :38:32. | |
the door would remain shut to others following her. | :38:33. | :38:38. | |
That win almost 15 years ago was iconic. | :38:39. | :38:43. | |
It was important to me but I had the knowing in the moment | :38:44. | :38:46. | |
When I said the door tonight has been opened, | :38:47. | :38:54. | |
I believed that with every bone in my body, that this | :38:55. | :38:56. | |
was going to incite change because this door, this barrier | :38:57. | :38:59. | |
And to sit here almost 15 years later, knowing that another woman | :39:00. | :39:06. | |
of colour has not walked through that door is heartbreaking. | :39:07. | :39:09. | |
Because I thought that moment was bigger than me and it's | :39:10. | :39:16. | |
heartbreaking to start to think that maybe it wasn't bigger than me. | :39:17. | :39:19. | |
I only have my take and my take is that it's really | :39:20. | :39:28. | |
And as film-makers and actors we have a responsibility | :39:29. | :39:33. | |
The films I think that are coming out of Hollywood are not truthful | :39:34. | :39:41. | |
and the reason they are not truthful these days is because they are not | :39:42. | :39:46. | |
really depicting the importance and the involvement | :39:47. | :39:49. | |
and the participation of people of colour in our American culture. | :39:50. | :39:54. | |
Our cities are filled with black and brown people and many times, | :39:55. | :39:59. | |
unfortunately, we see films that are set in Chicago, | :40:00. | :40:03. | |
New York, Atlanta, big metropolitan cities, | :40:04. | :40:07. | |
and they are void of people of colour, really. | :40:08. | :40:09. | |
Or they are the people passing in the background that | :40:10. | :40:12. | |
I feel like when we really live up to our responsibility in Hollywood | :40:13. | :40:19. | |
and challenge ourselves to be truthful and tell the truth | :40:20. | :40:22. | |
with our storytelling, then people of colour will be | :40:23. | :40:26. | |
there in a real competitive way and it won't be about inclusion | :40:27. | :40:29. | |
or diversity because if we are telling the truth, | :40:30. | :40:32. | |
that inclusion and diversity will be a by-product of the truth | :40:33. | :40:35. | |
Next - an extraordinary video showing pedestrians | :40:36. | :40:43. | |
in south-west London running across a level crossing, | :40:44. | :40:46. | |
Apparently local people are fed up with waiting to cross, | :40:47. | :40:52. | |
because the barriers often stay down until several trains have passed. | :40:53. | :40:56. | |
One man told our colleagues at BBC Radio London that his wife | :40:57. | :40:59. | |
had waited 45 minutes before they lifted. | :41:00. | :41:02. | |
You won't be surprised to hear that Network Rail has described | :41:03. | :41:05. | |
the situation as "extremely dangerous". | :41:06. | :41:07. | |
They told us there are currently delays of up to 15 minutes | :41:08. | :41:11. | |
at the crossing in Barnes due to engineering works further | :41:12. | :41:13. | |
The Rio 2016 Olympics organising committee says it has seen no | :41:14. | :41:19. | |
evidence of people cancelling travel to the Olympics in August | :41:20. | :41:22. | |
However, the Brazilian government is recommending pregnant | :41:23. | :41:28. | |
Here's a look at how the disease has spread so far. | :41:29. | :43:38. | |
Thank you for your company today, and for all your messages | :43:39. | :43:40. | |
which really do help to inform our conversations. | :43:41. | :43:45. | |
We're back tomorrow from 915 on BBC Two, | :43:46. | :43:53. | |
In the meantime, have a lovely afternoon. | :43:54. | :43:57. |