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Hello it's Monday, it's 9.15, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

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This morning we'll keep you up to date with that breaking news

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Several people have died and up to 100 more are injured.

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We'll keep you across developments throughout the programme.

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Plus - do you think you've been discriminated at work

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We'll talk to viewers who say they have been.

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It comes as a woman with dyslexia wins her case against Starbucks

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There was a point that I wanted to commit suicide. Because... I'm not a

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fraud. Also on the programme,

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the future of fracking in this country could be decided

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when a planning inquiry opens today. Whenever a large scale project goes

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ahead, there are winners and losers. You have to accept there'll be some

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people that won't be happy at the end of it. And police suspect the

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Dublin shootings could be linked to a gang feud. We'll bring you the

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details. Welcome to the programme,

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we're on BBC 2 and the BBC Throughout the programme we'll bring

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you the latest breaking news A little later we'll discuss kids'

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use of social media. A survey for Newsround suggests more

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than three-quarters of children aged between 10 and 12 use accounts

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like Snapchat, Instagram and Facebook - despite the age

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limit being 13. It's something parents struggle

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with, so we'd love to hear your Texts will be charged

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at the standard network rate. And of course you can watch

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the programme online wherever you are -

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via the BBC news app or our website, We'll bring you the latest on the

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breaking news this morning. Police reporting that at least four people

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have been killed and 100 injured in a head-on train crash in southern

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Germany. It happened this morning in the state of Bavaria. One train is

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thought to have derailed, several wagons overturned. A rescue effort

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is ongoing. Many people are reported to be trapped and investigations are

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under way to establish the cause of the crash. The latest from the

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police is that 15 people are thought to be very serious injured and a

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further 40 badly injured. A woman with dyslexia has

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won her discrimination Dyslexia is a common learning

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difficulty that can cause problems Meseret Kumulchew took the coffee

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chain to an employment tribunal after she was disciplined

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for falsifying documents. Our legal eagle Clive Coleman has

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been speaking exclusively to her. Tell us the story? She was a

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supervisor in Clapham. Part of her duties were to check water and

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fridge temperatures at specific times during the day and to make

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entries on to a duty roster. She has difficulties with reading, writing

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and time, so she made those entries incorrectly. Every employer in the

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UK, Victoria, is under a due toy make reasonable adjustments under

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the equality act from someone that suffers from a disability, including

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dyslexia. Far from doing that in this case, Starbucks accused her of

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deliberately falsifilinging the entries in that duty roster. She

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took them to an employment tribunal. The employment tribunal found that

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Starbucks failed to make reasonable adjustments to help her and that it

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had discriminated against her because of the effects of her

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dyslexia, so in other words as a result of the false entries in the

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duty roster. It also found she had been victimised and it found there

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was little or no knowledge or understanding of equality issues.

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Now, Meseret spoke exclusively to me and told me the allegations of lying

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pushed her to the edge. Clash There was a point that

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I wanted to commit suicide. Yes, I nearly completely

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ended up my life. But I had to think of my kids,

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and that's the sort of way it Explain the kind of difficulties

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you had at work because I'm dyslexic, I get carried away

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to the extent, when I'm at work, I have to put alarm clocks

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on my mobile to alarm me it's 2:18, 2:17, then I can start packing,

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otherwise I'm in it, What could they do by way of making

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adjustments to assist you in doing your job to the same

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standard that anyone else To start with, they should have

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bought in the Dyslexia Association, which they have insight,

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they might not have the total understanding of what I go through,

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but they can make life easier. It's within their power,

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they could do that. Why do I have to be

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deprived from it? What sort of practical

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measures would help you? For example, if I'm doing

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the banking, have another person Leave me to it, let me

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make my mistakes, then give me time to go back and backtrack it,

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because I can backtrack it. Or I can have another person

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to assist me to say, "Hang on, you've done a mistake

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here," then I can backtrack it. But eventually it becomes such

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a routine it becomes OK, because it's the same

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thing day in, day out. Another thing they could do

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is that all the policy It doesn't muddle up

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to my brain to digest. Most importantly, apply

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what Starbucks say, do, I do, I go into it physically,

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so I can put, you know the little technical details that don't mean

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anything to anybody... Don't worry - help me,

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but I'll get there in my own time, in my own speed, and I'm not

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going to affect your business because every customer of people

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coming in Starbucks, if it was in my power I'll

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roll out the red carpet, because they are a lot to me,

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and I want to take the Starbucks mission statement and the training

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I got given and apply it I love my job, because it gives me

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the interaction of different kinds of people - educated,

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disabled, non-disabled, so many different

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customers that I meet. Giving them a coffee

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might not be a big deal, but, to me, I'm making their life,

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for the day, at least, happy. Starbucks say they are committed to

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having a diverse and inclusive workforce. Just to give you an idea

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of the size of this problem. The British Dyslexia Association tell us

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that one in ten people has dyslexia to one degree or another, so this is

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a huge chunk of the working population. They say that in terms

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of making the reasonable adjustments, firstly they'll go in

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and assess and advise, but small things like for instance having a

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recording device during meetings, having someone to help you with

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proof-reading, that sort of thing, can be an enormous help. They say

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cases such as this are a bit of a wake-up call for many employers.

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Thank you very much. Very keen to hear from you if you are dyslexic,

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do you feel you have been discriminated against or has your

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boss made the reasonable adjustments so you can get on with your daily

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job. Let's talk to Rosie, a learning support teacher. She was left with

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no option but to leave her job, she says, after bosses failed to support

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her with her dyslexia. Sean Douglas Cesc he previously lost a job

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because of his dyslexia and Louise is here, she supports adults and

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teenagers and she believes she wasn't short listed for a job

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because of her dyslexia and poor writing skills. Thank you all very

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much for coming on the programme, thanks for talking to us. Explain to

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our audience first of all Rosie, what it's like having dyslexia? It's

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a different way of thinking. Your brain is wired in a different way

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and the way you process information is done in a different way. For each

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person it's personal to them but the usual things of reading, that's

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difficult, memory is a problem and spelling is difficult. It's a

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short-term auditory memory, I don't remember what people have

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short-term auditory memory, I don't know if it's written but if someone

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says I'll meet you at quarter past five and I'll think, quarter to or

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quarter past and it's gone within seconds. What about reading or

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writing? I grew up not knowing I was dyslexic so I thought I was stupid,

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careless. I don't read accurately. At Christmas, I read to my

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four-year-old granddaughter and my six-year-old grandson was correcting

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me. And he was right. If I ask you to spell a word, let's use the word

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dismal, for example, what are you hearing? I hear one sound, dismal, I

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don't hear all the break-ups. Obviously I've trained to be a

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specialist teacher, I know it's d-i-s-m-a... But that's taken

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training. If I hear the word scarf, I don't hear it with the sounds in

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the right order inside my head. You have different experiences of

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discrimination in the work place. Sean, tell us about your old

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company? I'm a video producer and had gone through my career and

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reached a high level. I went into a company and took a step back to fill

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in gaps in the knowledge. I worked on complicated projects. At this

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production company I was piled with paperwork, I was employed because of

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my creativity but I was forced into doing something which my brain is

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not trained to do. There could have been some job-sharing that would

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have allowed me to excel but after three months I was told told I was

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slow, I was coming in at 6 in the morning to get on top of this and it

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was like, why are you doing this, nobody else does and that was the

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discrimination I had. You said presumably you had dyslexia? They

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knew, yes. Yet they still let you go after three months? Yes. It got to a

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point where I was brought into the office and told I was bad at my job

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and you have a month to pull your Socks up and, after that, you don't

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really want to be in that environment with you are looking

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over your shoulder and a lot of people don't talk about the

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emotional side. They talk about the reading and writing, but what it

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does to your self-confidence is as much of a problem as the physical

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difficulties that you have. Rosie, what about your own experience? A

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complete lack of understanding and awareness because the disability is

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invisible, people make asun summions and think you are not trying hard

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enough, you are making mistakes and become careless -- assumptions. I

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have dyspraxia too, which isn't as known. Do you want to explain that?

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It's another specific learning difficulty. It affects the way that

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the brain is wired, the signals which go down to the body, so it

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affects coordination, balance, spatial awareness, knowing where you

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need to be and time distance and space, trying to navigate yourself

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around a crowd maybe or trying to get yourself somewhere, trying to

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navigate a new place, trying to do things and it takes you ten times

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longer to pick up basic skills that other people take for granted. Are

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there some jobs that you think you couldn't do or shouldn't do because

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of your dyslexia? Air traffic controller. Not good with lefts and

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rights. That would be a nightmare for me. All right, but by and large

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you feel you should be given the opportunity to do the same job as

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anybody else? You should be allowed to do any job that you have the

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capability to do, absolutely. There are simple adjustments that

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employers can make. There's also assistive technology so you can bits

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of software that will read your text back to you and that is amazing. You

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can't see mistakes that you make but you will easily hear them. A lot of

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employers are cottoning on to that so you can help an individual and

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buy the software. Which will auto correct any copy that you are

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writing? Or you can speak to the computer and it will write the words

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for you. Yes. Other than helping individuals, companies need to think

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about being more holistic. Some get blanket licences for the better

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software. People that maybe don't identify as diselectionic or maybe

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they are ashamed about it, they can use that stuff and that's been

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proved with companies that have dyslexics. They suddenly have

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hundreds of dyslexics when they think they had about ten. Tell us

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about the job you were not short listed for because, you believe, of

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your dyslexia? I wasn't short listed, and I asked why. They

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actually said, your handwriting was not good enough. But on the form, I

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made it very clear I was dyslexic. What was the job? To teach special

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needs for a private school. So, with your own experience, you would think

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that you would have... I should have been short listed. I don't say I

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should have got the job, but I should have been interviewed. When

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he said your handwriting was not good enough, you They did not know I

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was dyslexic. They denied they said that.

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You did not take your former employers to a tribunal, tell us

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why. The emotional side of dyslexia can be quite tough. It was a bit of

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a tail between the legs moment. It was more about proving to myself

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that I was as good a producer as I knew that I was, taking them to a

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tribunal was not really an option for me. What about you? For me, the

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emotional side, it made me very anxious, it made me lose my

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confidence, lose my self-esteem. It had a huge impact on my emotional

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side of things. Just really, I wanted to raise awareness. That made

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me want to help other people and help raise awareness of the hidden

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differences. You left your job. Sean's case, he was let go. It

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affected my confidence and self-esteem. People around me, my

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boyfriend and my mum, they could see how much it was affecting me. They

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were saying, you are worth more than that, you have so many strengths, so

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much empathy towards other people. You are so determined. You are able

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to think outside the box. You are worth more. Can I read some comments

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from people watching around the country? They saw the interview.

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This one does not leave their name. That woman should not be doing the

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job if she can't do it. Steve says, if you cannot do the job, don't do

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it. You cannot have another person watching over you, they might as

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well do it themselves. Anthony text, dyslexia at work? Thank God for

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compensation culture. There are some positive ones, which I will read in

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a moment. How do you react? Employers should not be worried

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about employing dyslexics, most of others

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---- us only need a minor adjustment. If you are dyslexic, it

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can take longer to pick up a job. If you are given proper training,

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laminated cards with pictures on, the temperatures, that would have

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been helpful. You can make reasonable adjustment, so the lady

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could do her job. Some elements of a job, like filing, you might not have

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to do. But the people that are good at that can do that part of the job.

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Would you be saying it was acceptable for a medical

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professional to make such mistakes, says one reviewer, would you be

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understanding if your bank lost your money or messed up a house purchase

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because of a dyslexic employee? Just accept that some people cannot be

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employed for certain jobs. I disagree, a dyslexic is no more

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likely to make those mistakes than anybody. The banking crisis was not

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done by dyslexics. All good companies should have strategies in

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place so that these mistakes, made by any particular person, are

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identified. Employers should look at the people they have employed. They

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have put somebody through the interview process, that person has

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stood out from the crowd. Think about those attributes. Starbucks,

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we're not going to Starbucks because we think the coffee is worth ?3, we

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are going for the environment, the customer service. That woman

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probably had all of those attributes. That part of the job was

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a small part of the job, not the overall part. If you go into

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Starbucks and she's really nice, attentive, get your order is right

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and makes you feel like you are a person that they want in the store,

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that is what you need to think about, a very small part of what

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she's doing. Helen says, I feel for the young woman that has dyslexia,

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it is heart-rending, but it seems there is no real support or

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understanding. Another, dyslexia is not just about spelling and grammar,

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it is about the way you think if people keep labelling it as a

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disability, rather than a learning difference, we will never overcome

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prejudice. If there are people watching, parents or adults,

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thinking, this sounds familiar, maybe I have dyslexia, what is their

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first port of call? If they are in education, they should go to the

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school and ask to speak to the form tutor and special educational needs

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coordinator. Every school must have won by law. Plenty of students are

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watching, if you are at college or university, the same? You have a

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disability service or a student support service, and you can go to

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that. The reason it is called a disability is because of the

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education act. The education act called it a learning disability and

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we have to stick to government legislation. But, as Rosie says, and

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Sean, it is different brain wiring. If you are in work, there is Access

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To Work, you can go to that and you can get an assessment and they can

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help you get the assistive technology. There are also

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charities. You are not alone. Charities like Dyslexia Action, The

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British Dyslexia Association, for anybody who thinks they might be

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dyspraxic, there is the Dyspraxic Association. You can feel very

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isolated and think, it is me being me, but lots of other people are

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going through similar experiences. If teachers want support, there is

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the Dyslexia Trust, which has free training and information on their

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website. Thank you very much. Throughout the programme we will

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bring you the Throughout the programme we will

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train crash in Germany. We are hearing from a reporter for

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Bavarian regional television, he says that two trains collided in a

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small forest area and that the terrain is difficult to reach. He

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says the front of the two trains have rammed into each other, to a

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distance of about ten metres, and the crash site is strewn with pieces

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of wreckage. The trains are not completely destroyed. According to

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the reporter, the route is operated by a private rail company called

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Meridian. Rescue workers are having to be winched down from helicopters

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to the crash site. You can see the emergency workers, paramedics and

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ambulance crews attending to those that have been injured. Up to four

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people have been killed, we are told, in this head-on train crash in

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the state of Bavaria, the town of Bad Aibling is where it has

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happened. Possibly up to 150 people injured.

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Still to come: As a planning inquiry into fracking in the UK gets under

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way, this programme has discovered a link between a group of residents

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who support fracking and the controversial energy company

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At least four people have died and around 150 have been injured

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in a head on collision between two trains in southern Germany.

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Emergency services are still trying to reach people trapped

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in the wreckage of the crash near Bad Aibling in Bavaria.

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A woman with dyslexia has won a disability discrimination case

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against her employer Starbucks after she was accused

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A tribunal found Meseret Kumulchew had been discriminated

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against after making mistakes recording times and temperatures.

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People in the American state of New Hampshire are voting

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Their choices will help select the Republican and Democratic party

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People are being warned there's no such thing as a safe sun tan.

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New guidance says the need for short term sun exposure to build up

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Vitamin D has to be balanced against the risks of skin cancer.

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The head of Google has become the highest-paid chief executive in

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America. 43-year-old Sundar Pichai has been awarded nearly ?140 million

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worth of shares, which happens to be ?10 million more than Google

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recently agreed to pay the UK Government in back taxes. The BBC

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understands Andy Murray has become a father after his wife, Kim Sears,

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gave birth to a girl. The couple were married in Dunblane last year.

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A formal announcement is expected shortly. Those are the main news

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stories. Congratulations to Andy and Kim.

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It should be dissent a piece of this year's sporting calendar, but there

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is more concern around the Rio Olympics.

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You might remember yesterday a story regarding the United States

:25:04.:25:05.

warning their athletes against travel to Brazil due

:25:06.:25:07.

to the Zika virus, which has been linked to birth defects.

:25:08.:25:11.

Now Kenya, a country famed for its middle and long distance

:25:12.:25:15.

runners such as the great David Rudisha, say they will not

:25:16.:25:19.

send athletes if the virus reaches epidemic level,

:25:20.:25:21.

whilst they are hopeful it won't get that bad.

:25:22.:25:26.

Elsewhere, a big day for captain Eoin Morgan

:25:27.:25:28.

They'll look to lay down a marker by taking an unassailable lead

:25:29.:25:32.

Play is due to begin at Centurion later this morning,

:25:33.:25:36.

around 11:30 with England hoping to make it 3 out of 3.

:25:37.:25:39.

We'll hear what Eddie the Eagle has to say to celebrities taking part

:25:40.:25:42.

in the Channel 4 reality show The Jump after Beth Tweddle's

:25:43.:25:45.

And there's some good news in the Murray household this morning

:25:46.:25:50.

as Andy and wife Kim have had a little girl,

:25:51.:25:52.

I'll be back with a sport round-up just after 10.

:25:53.:25:58.

Lets talk more about the train crash in Germany. Police say several

:25:59.:26:04.

people have been killed in a head-on collision between two trains in the

:26:05.:26:09.

south-east of the country. At least 100 people have been injured, many

:26:10.:26:16.

of them seriously. It could be up to 150. The early morning crash caused

:26:17.:26:20.

several carriages to derail. It happened near the town of Bad

:26:21.:26:24.

Aibling, about 40 miles south-east of Munich. A rescue operation is

:26:25.:26:28.

underway as many are still said to be trapped in the wreckage. Gulian

:26:29.:26:34.

von Lovvis is a local journalist. He's just a couple of hundred meters

:26:35.:26:41.

from the scene and gave this update. We do not know anything about the

:26:42.:26:47.

reason of the crash. Obviously, one train was going in the wrong

:26:48.:26:54.

direction. We do not know why, if the operator did a failure or if

:26:55.:26:57.

there was a technical failure. We do not know at this point. We do know

:26:58.:27:03.

that the situation is very difficult, there is a lot of rescue

:27:04.:27:10.

teams and helicopters flying trying to get the situation. This railroad

:27:11.:27:17.

in the south of Bavaria, it is rush-hour. Those trains were

:27:18.:27:25.

probably quite busy. So, the number of injured, the number even of

:27:26.:27:33.

deaths, might arise today. The crash situation is in a very narrow area.

:27:34.:27:38.

The helicopters cannot land there properly. The rescue teams have to

:27:39.:27:46.

fly over the situation. This is pretty tough, for the situation.

:27:47.:27:55.

Let's talk to Andy Moore, Phil us in with what you know. The latest

:27:56.:27:59.

casualty figures from the German police, they say four people are

:28:00.:28:04.

dead, 15 critically injured, 40 badly injured and a total of about

:28:05.:28:09.

100 injured. This crash happened about 7am, our time, on this single

:28:10.:28:16.

line of track. Two passenger trains were involved in a head-on

:28:17.:28:19.

collision. Why they were both on that single line of track at the

:28:20.:28:23.

same time will be part of the inquiry. We believe several

:28:24.:28:26.

carriages from both of the trains were derailed. It is a very

:28:27.:28:31.

difficult area to deal with, as we heard from that correspondent. It is

:28:32.:28:35.

a wooded area, it seems to be on an embankment. There is a river nearby

:28:36.:28:40.

that is causing some problems. So, the helicopters are landing some

:28:41.:28:44.

distance away and the casualties are then being ferried to the helicopter

:28:45.:28:55.

landing area. Some of them have been moved along the track. Some of them

:28:56.:28:58.

are being moved across the river by the emergency services. We are

:28:59.:29:00.

hearing at some of the rescued people are being winched down to the

:29:01.:29:03.

area by helicopter. In very large emergency operation on going. One

:29:04.:29:05.

reporter talks about never seeing so many ambulances at the scene. A lot

:29:06.:29:09.

of the roads around have been closed to enable that operation to get

:29:10.:29:13.

underway. One fortunate thing is that this happened at 7am. Normally

:29:14.:29:17.

there would have been a lot of children on board the trains heading

:29:18.:29:20.

to school. We understand it is a holiday in the area at the moment.

:29:21.:29:25.

As far as we are aware, none of those casualties are children.

:29:26.:29:34.

We will keep you updated on that train crash throughout the morning.

:29:35.:29:40.

Still to come, two fatal shootings in Dublin that police think are

:29:41.:29:42.

linked to a gangland feud. We will bring you the details.

:29:43.:29:44.

This morning hundreds of protestors are expected

:29:45.:29:46.

at Blackpool Football Club as a public inquiry starts

:29:47.:29:48.

which could decide the future of fracking in England.

:29:49.:29:52.

The controversial energy company Cuadrilla is trying to overturn

:29:53.:29:55.

a landmark decision to ban drilling on two key sites in rural

:29:56.:29:58.

Over the last year the debate has become heated at times with both

:29:59.:30:03.

sides accusing the other of distorting the facts

:30:04.:30:05.

Now this programme has discovered that a vocal group of local

:30:06.:30:09.

residents set up to support fracking in the region is run by people

:30:10.:30:12.

linked to Cuadrilla itself, as Jim Reed reports.

:30:13.:30:21.

Just keep the wretched stuff in the ground.

:30:22.:30:33.

You can be happy being a vicar and being somebody

:30:34.:30:51.

After all, the alternative is to let people freeze.

:30:52.:31:09.

A cold and wet winter's day in Blackpool.

:31:10.:31:12.

150, old and young, gather ahead of a decision that could change this

:31:13.:31:16.

We really, really must continue to fight in whatever way we can.

:31:17.:31:22.

Those involved promise fracking for gas will bring

:31:23.:31:25.

This group will need some convincing.

:31:26.:31:30.

Across the country, back in 2011, there were three

:31:31.:31:33.

Over the last year, this whole debate has become nasty

:31:34.:31:40.

and bad-tempered at times, with accusations of dirty

:31:41.:31:43.

We have been taking a close look at the claims made by both sides.

:31:44.:31:49.

Are some of those opponents guilty of scaremongering and exaggeration?

:31:50.:31:53.

Are many of those in favour linked to the fracking industry itself?

:31:54.:31:59.

Lancashire is sitting on what some think is one of the largest gas

:32:00.:32:03.

fields in mainland Europe - perhaps enough to power the UK

:32:04.:32:07.

First, of course, you have to get the stuff out.

:32:08.:32:12.

Water, sand and chemicals are pumped at high pressure, deep underground.

:32:13.:32:17.

The rocks down there frack and the gas flows

:32:18.:32:20.

It's profitable but controversial, in the US and Australia.

:32:21.:32:26.

It's banned at the moment in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

:32:27.:32:29.

In England, though, the Government is keen.

:32:30.:32:33.

I want us to get on board this change that is doing so much good

:32:34.:32:38.

on bringing so much benefit to North America.

:32:39.:32:41.

I want us to benefit from it here as well.

:32:42.:32:43.

Will it make a difference to your life?

:32:44.:32:45.

Fracking in America is a big reason why world oil and gas prices

:32:46.:32:52.

It's not happening here yet, but more than 100 licences have been

:32:53.:32:57.

granted from Sussex to Yorkshire, a great opportunity,

:32:58.:33:00.

say its backers - an environmental disaster,

:33:01.:33:03.

We've driven out of Blackpool now and we are making our way down

:33:04.:33:08.

to the village of Roseacre, which is about 20 minutes away,

:33:09.:33:12.

So, if I pull over, I wanted to show you, this is exactly

:33:13.:33:21.

where Cuadrilla, the energy company, wants to drill.

:33:22.:33:28.

If we jump out of the car, quickly, you can see this is it.

:33:29.:33:31.

This could become one of the first fracking sites,

:33:32.:33:40.

not just in Lancashire, but in the whole country.

:33:41.:33:48.

If you just want to come through here a minute.

:33:49.:33:50.

Local campaigners claim there are 180 people living

:33:51.:33:54.

Jane Barnes and her family are one of the closest.

:33:55.:34:01.

When we are out here, you get a really good

:34:02.:34:05.

So, those trees, just over there, that is Roseacre Wood.

:34:06.:34:12.

In between those two, looking straight across there,

:34:13.:34:16.

we would be looking at a fracking site.

:34:17.:34:19.

If it goes ahead, the site itself will look something like this.

:34:20.:34:22.

Cuadrilla says it will be independently tested and it's

:34:23.:34:25.

confident there is no danger to public health.

:34:26.:34:29.

I cannot imagine why anybody would want to come here,

:34:30.:34:33.

to look at a fracking site, to live amongst it,

:34:34.:34:35.

with all the traffic and everything that it entails,

:34:36.:34:39.

So, it's taken away that choice that we would have for our future.

:34:40.:34:51.

Somebody says to you this is nimbyism, not in my backyard,

:34:52.:34:55.

People like to say that to you, don't they?

:34:56.:35:02.

For such a hugely populated country that we are, the risks

:35:03.:35:05.

that you would run, you have a responsibility

:35:06.:35:10.

to stand up and say, it's not right.

:35:11.:35:13.

It's not all right in anybody's backyard, not just mine.

:35:14.:35:23.

Some locals are against on health or environmental grounds.

:35:24.:35:27.

Many are worried it will make it harder to run a business

:35:28.:35:34.

We did see one case of a house falling 15% in value

:35:35.:35:39.

because of the threat of fracking - but nothing like some of the figures

:35:40.:35:43.

It's not, though, the first time locals have gone through this.

:35:44.:35:49.

This was the scene last summer, when Lancashire Council throughout

:35:50.:36:03.

This was the scene last summer, when Lancashire Council threw out

:36:04.:36:05.

the fracking application for Roseacre and

:36:06.:36:07.

I think you know what it means to me.

:36:08.:36:14.

Cuadrilla is now appealing that decision - the first case

:36:15.:36:19.

We were really expecting this to be the definitive moment.

:36:20.:36:28.

I suppose, in that, we took them at their word

:36:29.:36:30.

This begins to describe what will be coming.

:36:31.:36:35.

The campaign against fracking was dealt a major blow in November,

:36:36.:36:37.

when the Government said this decision is too important to be

:36:38.:36:40.

So, the appeal goes ahead, but it will be the Secretary

:36:41.:36:44.

of State in Westminster who now has the final say.

:36:45.:36:47.

But I don't see it as meaning defeat or that we are wasting our time,

:36:48.:36:54.

because we simply wouldn't carry on if we thought that was the case,

:36:55.:36:57.

So, the local community has come together.

:36:58.:37:01.

Its lawyers are working for free and thousands has been raised to pay

:37:02.:37:04.

for expert witnesses, through everything from cake

:37:05.:37:08.

It makes David and Goliath look like a fairly even contest.

:37:09.:37:13.

Cuadrilla has a vast array, it has a PR company,

:37:14.:37:16.

But the more you know, the more you know you've

:37:17.:37:27.

We have been passed the latest polling figures by academics

:37:28.:37:45.

It's interesting, when you look at the whole country, nationwide,

:37:46.:37:51.

they suggest that consistently, more people support fracking

:37:52.:37:54.

It's the jobs argument that seems to be the most persuasive.

:37:55.:37:59.

A large majority believe fracking will bring economic benefits.

:38:00.:38:04.

I don't think you can go anywhere in Lancashire without a railway,

:38:05.:38:07.

without a motorway, without a power station or some

:38:08.:38:11.

I think the people of Lancashire are used to having that

:38:12.:38:16.

on their doorstep, and that's why I think they are well equipped

:38:17.:38:19.

So you think some people are just going to have to accept that this

:38:20.:38:25.

might happen next door to their house?

:38:26.:38:27.

Inevitably, whenever a large-scale project goes ahead,

:38:28.:38:30.

You do have to accept that there is going to be some

:38:31.:38:36.

people that are not going to be happy at the end of it.

:38:37.:38:39.

But I think, long-term, the benefits outweigh the cost.

:38:40.:38:41.

The accountants Ernst and Young claimed fracking can create 64,000

:38:42.:38:44.

jobs across the whole country - though that report was paid

:38:45.:38:47.

for by the industry and is disputed by the other side.

:38:48.:38:54.

The impact of it not going ahead at present has meant that he has

:38:55.:38:58.

Just as there are very vocal critics of fracking,

:38:59.:39:03.

Is less bad for the climate and is less bad for air pollution.

:39:04.:39:09.

One of the most active is a group called Backing Fracking,

:39:10.:39:11.

that describes itself as a residents collective.

:39:12.:39:14.

It uses some of the tactics of the other side, raising money

:39:15.:39:17.

online, planning demos and writing letters to the local paper

:39:18.:39:20.

The people behind it say they are speaking for a silent

:39:21.:39:26.

majority who want to see jobs and growth.

:39:27.:39:28.

Shale gas can actually promotes much more job prospects for the young

:39:29.:39:31.

We found out that two of the main organisers do have links to

:39:32.:39:37.

One is an engineering student who has worked as an intern

:39:38.:39:42.

for Centrica, another owns a company which provides

:39:43.:39:44.

All say they are involved because they believe fracking,

:39:45.:39:51.

This is a reproduction of William Smith's geological map

:39:52.:39:56.

Some come at it from a very different direction.

:39:57.:40:03.

Michael Roberts still works as a vicar.

:40:04.:40:05.

A geologist by trade, heleft the profession to join

:40:06.:40:07.

8000 feet below that are the Bowland Shales.

:40:08.:40:12.

Now he is a vocal pro-fracking campaigner, driven by what he says

:40:13.:40:16.

is bad science coming from the other side.

:40:17.:40:19.

I am a realistic greenie, realising that on this planet

:40:20.:40:26.

there are so many people here, that they have to be fed

:40:27.:40:29.

and they are going to need a certain amount of energy.

:40:30.:40:34.

That is why we should use our own, local, natural gas.

:40:35.:40:37.

Your critics are going to say that you are in the pocket of big energy.

:40:38.:40:41.

I'm afraid they don't give me a new Bentley every year.

:40:42.:40:44.

So, we took a drive, away from the planned

:40:45.:40:48.

fracking sites, and up into the hills of Lancashire.

:40:49.:40:51.

It is here that, if you know where to look, you can find

:40:52.:40:55.

the shale that Cuadrilla and other energy companies hope to split open,

:40:56.:40:59.

under the ground, in places like Roseacre.

:41:00.:41:02.

You can see how it is splitting apart because of weathering.

:41:03.:41:05.

That is what the fracking would do when they did it.

:41:06.:41:08.

They would split apart, along the planes, as it were.

:41:09.:41:13.

Do some people think, Michael, that, as a vicar,

:41:14.:41:20.

There are those, and I think they are very mistaken,

:41:21.:41:28.

as there is nothing to replace fossil fuels with at the moment.

:41:29.:41:31.

So you can be happy being a vicar and being someone

:41:32.:41:34.

After all, the alternative is to let people freeze, and I don't think

:41:35.:41:43.

you would be a good vicar if you have a system which allowed

:41:44.:41:47.

Plenty of people in Lancashire and beyond may disagree with that.

:41:48.:41:53.

Whatever comes out of the public inquiry in Blackpool,

:41:54.:41:59.

whatever decision comes from the government in Westminster,

:42:00.:42:02.

it could make a big difference to us all.

:42:03.:42:07.

Cuadrilla say it's to be expected that people with links

:42:08.:42:11.

to the industry would support frracking.

:42:12.:42:17.

Later in the programme we'll hear from the boss of Cuadrilla.

:42:18.:42:22.

Coming up: Why nearly 80% of 10-12 year olds in the UK have a social

:42:23.:42:26.

media account - despite a minimum age limit of 13.

:42:27.:42:36.

In you have children under 13 and let them have Instagram, Facebook or

:42:37.:42:42.

Snapchat accounts, explain why. Let's get the latest

:42:43.:42:47.

weather update with Carol. How is it looking after the storm?

:42:48.:42:58.

Look at those waves! They are mainly from Wales and southern England

:42:59.:43:02.

which took the brunt of the storm. Waves were reported from a buoy

:43:03.:43:07.

about 100 miles south-west of Cornwall, reaching 19 metres in

:43:08.:43:11.

height, roughly 62 and a bit feet, that's huge. Even into the English

:43:12.:43:17.

Channel, we had ten metre waves but of course, as they crashed on shore,

:43:18.:43:21.

they were roughly up to about five metres. That's about 16 feet. Huge

:43:22.:43:28.

waves. In Southampton you can see them. Not as windy today but it's

:43:29.:43:33.

been windy in Ben tomorrow. In Benidorm? Yes. Look at these

:43:34.:43:43.

cyclists taking part in a race and they are pedalling against the wind.

:43:44.:43:48.

The gusts were about 50mph, that kind kind of speed. Have you ever

:43:49.:43:52.

tried cycling into the wind? Of course I've not. Do I look stupid.

:43:53.:43:58.

It's really hard. I am stupid, I've done it. Look at that, oh, my gosh.

:43:59.:44:04.

The policeman was struggling. This chap was trying to help him. We

:44:05.:44:09.

shouldn't laugh. We are not laughing at them, but with them. The forecast

:44:10.:44:14.

today for us is much better. We'll take a look at that.

:44:15.:44:18.

Today the rain has been pushing across the south coast and it will

:44:19.:44:24.

eventually clear. We have a weak weather front courtesy of what's

:44:25.:44:31.

left by Storm Imogen. That will weaken today and sink

:44:32.:44:35.

further south. We have some hill snow around coming out of the band

:44:36.:44:39.

of rain and you can see some in Wales, maybe still the chance of

:44:40.:44:43.

some snow coming out across the moors but that risk is now

:44:44.:44:48.

diminishing. In-between it all, we will see some sunshine. Across

:44:49.:44:52.

Scotland, we have snow across the Northern Isles sinking south into

:44:53.:44:55.

the mainland. That'll produce some snow through the course of the

:44:56.:44:58.

afternoon. Talking of the afternoon, there'll be some sunshine around. We

:44:59.:45:02.

have got that certainly across the south-east, into East Anglia,

:45:03.:45:06.

through the Midlands, towards the south coast with the showers and

:45:07.:45:10.

still the chance of some wintriness on the hills. For south-west

:45:11.:45:14.

England, a similar story. We have rain coming across Wales, moving

:45:15.:45:18.

south, again the risk of wintriness on the hills, as there is across the

:45:19.:45:22.

Pennines. Bright skies or sunshine in-between. For Northern Ireland, we

:45:23.:45:26.

have the rain sinking south. For Scotland, central areas seeing some

:45:27.:45:30.

sunshine, but then we are back into the rain and the hill snow. Wherever

:45:31.:45:35.

you are today it's going to feel cold. As we head through the

:45:36.:45:39.

evening, everything that is in the north is heading south. There'll be

:45:40.:45:43.

some breaks in the cloud. It will be another cold night with some frost

:45:44.:45:46.

around. There is the risk of some ice first thing in the morning on

:45:47.:45:51.

untreated surfaces. Tomorrow is looking like a beautiful day with a

:45:52.:45:58.

fair bit of sunshine around. So yes, there'll be some showers,

:45:59.:46:01.

particularly in the north and west. Many will miss them all together.

:46:02.:46:05.

The wind will fall lighter so it won't feel as cold but it is still

:46:06.:46:10.

cold as it is still February. As we head on into Thursday, once

:46:11.:46:16.

again we are looking at some dry conditions, forecast change this

:46:17.:46:20.

morning for Thursday, so a lot of dry weather, some sunshine, a few

:46:21.:46:23.

showers but still feeling a bit on the nippy side.

:46:24.:46:28.

I'm Victoria Derbyshire, good morning.

:46:29.:46:31.

We'll have the latest on that breaking news of a head on train

:46:32.:46:34.

Last few minutes, police in Bavaria say eight people have died and up to

:46:35.:46:47.

150 are injured. We will bring you the details on this developing

:46:48.:46:48.

story. A woman with dyslexia has won

:46:49.:46:50.

a discrimination case against Starbucks at

:46:51.:46:52.

an employment tribunal. There was a point that I wanted to

:46:53.:47:09.

commit suicide. Because... I'm not a fraud.

:47:10.:47:11.

We've been speaking to viewers with dyslexia who say they've also

:47:12.:47:13.

I was brought into an office and basically tell I was bad at my job.

:47:14.:47:22.

You have a month to pull your socks up. After that, you don't want to be

:47:23.:47:26.

in an environment where you are looking over your shoulder. A lot of

:47:27.:47:29.

people do not talk about the emotional side of dyslexia. They

:47:30.:47:33.

talk about the reading and writing, but what it does to your

:47:34.:47:35.

self-confidence is as much of a problem as the physical

:47:36.:47:40.

difficulties. Do continue to tell us your experience of dissemination at

:47:41.:47:42.

work if you have dyslexia. Police in Dublin suspect

:47:43.:47:46.

two fatal shootings - one last night and one at a boxing

:47:47.:47:48.

weigh-in on Friday could be linked And, why nearly 80% of 10-12 year

:47:49.:47:51.

olds in the UK have a social media account - despite a minimum age

:47:52.:47:57.

limit of 13. If you have children under 13 and

:47:58.:48:06.

you let them use Snapchat, Instagram on Facebook, get in touch and tell

:48:07.:48:08.

us why. The main news this morning: at least

:48:09.:48:20.

eight people have died and around 150 have been injured in a head-on

:48:21.:48:25.

collision in Bavaria in southern Germany.

:48:26.:48:27.

Emergency services are still trying to reach people trapped

:48:28.:48:29.

in the wreckage of the crash near Bad Aibling in Bavaria.

:48:30.:48:32.

The cause of the collision is not yet known.

:48:33.:48:34.

A woman with dyslexia has won a disability discrimination case

:48:35.:48:40.

against her employer, Starbucks, after she was accused

:48:41.:48:41.

A tribunal found Meseret Kumulchew had been discriminated

:48:42.:48:44.

against after making mistakes recording times and temperatures.

:48:45.:48:52.

The NHS in England has been told to stop sending mental health patients

:48:53.:48:58.

a long way from home for care. An independent inquiry says the

:48:59.:49:00.

practice is unacceptable and potentially dangerous.

:49:01.:49:02.

A health watchdog has warned that there is no such thing

:49:03.:49:05.

The National Institute for Health and Care Excellence in England says

:49:06.:49:08.

the need for short term sun exposure to build up Vitamin D has to be

:49:09.:49:12.

balanced against the risks of skin cancer.

:49:13.:49:18.

The head of the technology giant Google has become the highest-paid

:49:19.:49:21.

43-year-old Sundar Pichai has been awarded nearly ?140 million worth

:49:22.:49:24.

of shares, which happens to be ?10 million more than Google

:49:25.:49:27.

recently agreed to pay the UK government in back taxes.

:49:28.:49:36.

And the BBC understands that tennis star Andy Murray has become a father

:49:37.:49:40.

after his wife Kim Sears gave birth to a girl over the weekend.

:49:41.:49:44.

The couple were married in Dunblane last year.

:49:45.:49:46.

A formal announcement is expected shortly.

:49:47.:49:54.

Those are the main news stories. Now the sport.

:49:55.:49:57.

Kenya could pull out of this year's Rio Olympics due to concerns over

:49:58.:50:01.

the Zika virus outbreak in Brazil, according to the head

:50:02.:50:03.

Kiptcho Kegayno says "Obviously, we are not going to risk taking

:50:04.:50:07.

Kenyans there if this Zika Virus reaches epidemic levels."

:50:08.:50:13.

The main sporting action to keep an eye on today will come in cricket

:50:14.:50:16.

as England's one-day side look to seal a convincing series win over

:50:17.:50:20.

They lead the best of five match-up 2-0 and will be hoping to replicate

:50:21.:50:25.

the Test team's strong progress in the 9 month's under head

:50:26.:50:28.

We will stick to our methods. It has been tried and tested and worked so

:50:29.:50:39.

far. I think we are a good one-day side at the moment. I think we have

:50:40.:50:52.

got things going for us in the last two games, and we will take it into

:50:53.:50:56.

the next one. Hopefully tomorrow is the first one where we can knock off

:50:57.:51:02.

playing the best cricket we can be. Whatever the team is, it doesn't

:51:03.:51:06.

matter. They are very hungry. The mood in the camp, a lot of credit

:51:07.:51:10.

goes to the coaching staff, who have kept the mood exceptionally good.

:51:11.:51:12.

Liverpool face West Ham in an FA Cup fourth round replay tonight

:51:13.:51:15.

at Upton Park, with Jurgen Klopp set to take his place in the visitors'

:51:16.:51:18.

dugout just three days after having his appendix removed.

:51:19.:51:21.

Klopp admits he will have to tone down his usual antics

:51:22.:51:23.

on the sidelines, but insists he is raring to go.

:51:24.:51:31.

I feel really good. That is the only reason why I am here. If I am not

:51:32.:51:38.

fit, I cannot help here, I would be at home. But everything is OK and we

:51:39.:51:41.

don't have to talk about this any more. For me, it is not a normal

:51:42.:51:46.

coaching game. I don't want to jump or things like this, I have a few

:51:47.:51:51.

holes in my body. Hopefully it stays in. That's all.

:51:52.:51:53.

Meanwhile Chelsea defender Kurt Zouma's season is over

:51:54.:51:55.

and he'll also miss Euro 2016 after injuring his knee.

:51:56.:51:57.

He'll undergo surgery in the next 48 hours and is likely to be out

:51:58.:52:00.

The 21-year-old France international injured his anterior

:52:01.:52:06.

cruciate ligament during Sunday's Premier League draw

:52:07.:52:07.

against Manchester United at Stamford Bridge.

:52:08.:52:12.

The legendary British ski jumper Eddie the Eagle Edwards believes

:52:13.:52:15.

contestants in the Channel 4 Show The Jump should bear the brunt

:52:16.:52:18.

of the blame for any injuries they suffer.

:52:19.:52:21.

The comments come as Britain's most successful gymnast Beth Tweddle

:52:22.:52:23.

remains in hospital after neck surgery.

:52:24.:52:27.

The London 2012 bronze medallist fell on the slopes

:52:28.:52:30.

during rehearsals, and is the third contestant

:52:31.:52:33.

That all the sport for now. I'll be back at 10:30am with the headlines.

:52:34.:52:50.

More on that train crash in a moment. Quite a lot of you getting

:52:51.:52:56.

in touch about dyslexia and workplace discrimination. That is

:52:57.:53:01.

after a woman with the learning disability won a disconnection case

:53:02.:53:04.

at a tribunal against Starbucks. Various comments from you. Lucy

:53:05.:53:08.

says, I cannot believe this woman was treated like that by their

:53:09.:53:13.

employer. I'm really pleased she still loves her job and won her

:53:14.:53:18.

case. Richard says, I am dyslexic, jobs are difficult to get. I've been

:53:19.:53:22.

trying to find employment for 14 years and being dyslexic is a big

:53:23.:53:29.

hurdle. Most employers do not want to deal with that. As I'm not an

:53:30.:53:33.

employee, there is nobody to go to for help. There are various

:53:34.:53:38.

charities, Richard. Katie says she is dyslexic, I'm quite creative and

:53:39.:53:42.

I think it can be positive, I often think outside the box. It's

:53:43.:53:47.

important to remember it is not all about spelling. Some people have big

:53:48.:53:51.

problems with spelling, but it is also about memory and ordering,

:53:52.:53:58.

sequencing. Everybody is different. Get in touch throughout the

:53:59.:54:04.

programme, texts or shoes charged up the standard network rate. You can

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watch online or on the BBC News app. There has been a deadly train crash

:54:12.:54:14.

in southern Germany. Police have reported at least eight people have

:54:15.:54:18.

been killed and more than 100 others injured, many of them seriously.

:54:19.:54:24.

Several carriages overturned after two trains collided near the town of

:54:25.:54:28.

Bad Aibling in south-eastern Germany, about 60 kilometres from

:54:29.:54:33.

Munich. The train operator said that both trains are partly derailed and

:54:34.:54:37.

wedged into each other. The crash happened at around 7am this morning,

:54:38.:54:41.

local time, on a single line of railway track. Rescue workers are

:54:42.:54:49.

trying to pull out people trapped inside the wreckage and helicopters

:54:50.:54:53.

are being used to airlift those that are badly injured to hospital. We

:54:54.:55:04.

can talk now to a local radio journalist in Bavaria. In fact, he

:55:05.:55:08.

is in Munich, about 40 miles away, but has been speaking to people at

:55:09.:55:12.

the scene. What are people saying to you? People are saying that it is

:55:13.:55:17.

still kind of chaotic, you know? After the crash, right now, we have

:55:18.:55:22.

confirmed eight people have died. On the other hand, it might become much

:55:23.:55:26.

more because there are still some victims in the trains, the two

:55:27.:55:32.

trains, that could not be rescued so far. So, the number of five people

:55:33.:55:37.

might increase within the next hour. OK, the police at the moment are

:55:38.:55:40.

saying that eight people have died, but you are saying that number is

:55:41.:55:44.

likely to go up over the next few hours? Yes, because there are 150

:55:45.:55:49.

injured people, some people that are injured very heavily and they might

:55:50.:55:54.

die, you know? You can't say right now. On the other hand, thank God at

:55:55.:56:02.

his school holidays, because the trains normally have plenty of

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school students in. So we have school holidays in Bavaria, so we

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did not have students in the train. I guess that most of the passengers

:56:11.:56:16.

were people going to work. So, the trains could have been a lot more

:56:17.:56:19.

crowded, thankfully, because of the school holidays they were not.

:56:20.:56:27.

Obviously it is very early stages. But are there any theories as to why

:56:28.:56:30.

two trains were travelling towards each other on the same piece of

:56:31.:56:35.

track? Not really. Like you said, this was a single track. The two

:56:36.:56:41.

trains collided and they actually used the same track. But nobody

:56:42.:56:44.

knows right now widely used the same track. Probably, or maybe, one of

:56:45.:56:49.

the engine drivers just did not pay attention to one of the train

:56:50.:56:53.

signals. But I can't confirm that, nobody can confirm this theory right

:56:54.:56:58.

now. Our audience is watching live pictures of the rescue operation as

:56:59.:57:04.

it is ongoing. Can you tell us a little bit about this area? It

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happened in a forest area and it is clearly not that easy to reach from

:57:10.:57:14.

a rescue a point of view? Saky like you say. It is not far away from the

:57:15.:57:20.

town of Bad Aibling, in the south-eastern part of Bavaria. It is

:57:21.:57:25.

not really a remote area, but it is right over dense forest, so it is

:57:26.:57:29.

hard to get the relief units there. It might be a time before all of the

:57:30.:57:34.

victims are rescued. Thank you very much for talking to us, we

:57:35.:57:38.

appreciate your time. That is a local radio journalist, with the

:57:39.:57:39.

latest. With the latest, our news

:57:40.:57:40.

correspondent Theo Leggett is here. I would like to pick up on what he

:57:41.:57:49.

was saying, how did two trains and off on the same section of track?

:57:50.:57:53.

Single-track railway is not that unusual in rural areas, in reasons

:57:54.:57:56.

of cost or space, where there is not room to put two tracks in. So you

:57:57.:58:01.

regulate carefully which trains are on that section of track at any one

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time. The systems used can vary, it can be a simple token a driver has

:58:06.:58:09.

to take before he proceeds into a section of track, one nowadays you

:58:10.:58:13.

have complex signalling systems, automatic train protection systems

:58:14.:58:21.

that are supposed to sign of warnings in the cab. Presumably

:58:22.:58:25.

those warnings worked, why did the driver not stop? Was there an

:58:26.:58:28.

automatic system that should have stopped him? We don't know what

:58:29.:58:33.

systems were operating at the investigation will have to work that

:58:34.:58:36.

out. It seems unusual that two trains were heading in opposite

:58:37.:58:39.

directions on the same piece of track, that is absolutely to be

:58:40.:58:41.

avoided. There are fears of a gangland feud

:58:42.:58:43.

in Dublin after a man was shot dead It's understood this latest attack

:58:44.:58:46.

is in retaliation for a shooting Four gunmen opened fire

:58:47.:58:52.

in the Regency Hotel in Dublin at a weigh in ahead

:58:53.:59:05.

of a boxing match. Those gathered had to run

:59:06.:59:10.

for their lives as shots were fired. David Byrne - who had

:59:11.:59:16.

links to criminal gangs - was killed and it's claimed his

:59:17.:59:19.

shooting was in itself revenge. The gunmen had marched

:59:20.:59:24.

in to the hotel disguised as police officers openly carrying

:59:25.:59:26.

AK-47 assault rifles. Some of them were photographed

:59:27.:59:31.

fleeing - one dressed as a woman. There have been suggestions

:59:32.:59:39.

the dissident republican group the Continuity IRA could

:59:40.:59:41.

have been involved. The man targeted was said to be

:59:42.:59:44.

a member of the rival Real IRA. Police say they are

:59:45.:59:55.

investigating all theories. Armed officers have been patrolling

:59:56.:59:56.

the streets and manning But last night - four days later -

:59:57.:59:58.

another man was shot dead in Dublin. Eddie Hutch Senior,

:59:59.:00:03.

who was in his 50s, was killed near his flat in the north

:00:04.:00:05.

of the city. The police fear it may have been

:00:06.:00:08.

a reprisal for the hotel attack. Sinn Fein's Gerry Adams said

:00:09.:00:11.

on Monday that this was simply a battle between what he described

:00:12.:00:14.

as criminal thugs and any links He insisted the IRA are gone

:00:15.:00:17.

and their weapons are gone. John Mooney is the security

:00:18.:00:25.

Correspondent for the Sunday Times What is going on, do you think?

:00:26.:00:38.

Well, I think it is two different criminal organisations attacking

:00:39.:00:40.

each other. But one of them has support from paramilitaries based in

:00:41.:00:48.

the Dublin area. These are people that are probably former members of

:00:49.:00:51.

the Provisional IRA, who retains some weapons post decommissioning.

:00:52.:00:58.

In terms of what might happen next, presumably the police are braced for

:00:59.:01:05.

more tit-for-tat murders are they? I think it's beyond doubt that

:01:06.:01:08.

there'll be more shootings in Dublin in the coming weeks. The murder of

:01:09.:01:15.

Eddie Hutch last night is likely to provoke further retaliation strikes

:01:16.:01:18.

by the grouping which has support from paramilitaries in Dublin. As

:01:19.:01:21.

you see, there's weaponry that these people have available to them, they

:01:22.:01:26.

also have a certain degree of know-how and also skills and

:01:27.:01:30.

expertise at carrying out these attacks. So the Irish police have

:01:31.:01:37.

absolutely no doubt whatsoever that they have to step up and increase

:01:38.:01:41.

surveillance and step up security in certain parts of the city in

:01:42.:01:44.

anticipation for what they believe could happen next. What do you make

:01:45.:01:50.

of the fact that apparently the Continuity IRA said it carried out

:01:51.:01:54.

the killing on Friday then later they said, actually it wasn't us? I

:01:55.:02:01.

think the grouping that claimed responsibility, it's a very

:02:02.:02:04.

factionalised organisation, it doesn't have a great degree of

:02:05.:02:08.

support in the Dublin area. I think possibly what's happening is that it

:02:09.:02:17.

was asked to claim responsibility to avert police from that particular

:02:18.:02:22.

line of inquiry. I don't believe the Continuity IRA were responsible for

:02:23.:02:26.

the assault on the Regency Hotel in Dublin last week. That's

:02:27.:02:31.

interesting. Why does the Continuity IRA still exist? There are six or

:02:32.:02:39.

seven factions of the IRA on both sides of the border along with the

:02:40.:02:46.

Provisional IRA which has killed since the ceasefires, as recently as

:02:47.:02:50.

last May. The rest of them are known as dissident Republican

:02:51.:02:55.

organisations. There's various coalitions and factions of them.

:02:56.:03:04.

Thank you very much. If you had a heart attack,

:03:05.:03:09.

you'd be taken straight to the nearest A

:03:10.:03:12.

department - wouldn't you? So why are patients with severe

:03:13.:03:15.

mental health problems sent hundreds Well, it has to stop according

:03:16.:03:17.

to a former boss of the NHS in England and the man who's just

:03:18.:03:22.

been looking into why it happens. Among Lord Nigel Crisp's

:03:23.:03:25.

recommendations are treating mental health patients the same as those

:03:26.:03:27.

with physical conditions. Current estimates suggest that

:03:28.:03:30.

around 500 mentally ill people have to travel over 50km to be admitted

:03:31.:03:35.

into hospital every month. Last week, on this programme

:03:36.:03:38.

we spoke to Pol Hodge - whose 18 year old daughter Chloe

:03:39.:03:41.

spent two years in a mental health The problems happened with Chloe

:03:42.:04:00.

when she sort of hit puberty. And then we discovered that there was no

:04:01.:04:04.

out-of-hours, out of office care for young people with mental health

:04:05.:04:09.

issues in Cornwall at all. In fact, one night she actually spent in the

:04:10.:04:15.

kitchen of the police station because the police took her away.

:04:16.:04:19.

The hospital wouldn't accept her so she spent the night wrapped in a

:04:20.:04:25.

blanket in the kitchen at the local police station and then the episodes

:04:26.:04:33.

increased and she was taken away to Somerset, put in a residential

:04:34.:04:40.

placement which didn't have any mental health speciality and she was

:04:41.:04:49.

moved on then to Stevenage which also didn't have any mental health

:04:50.:04:53.

support in-house. She stopped taking her medication, made herself really

:04:54.:04:58.

ill, then she was moved to Colchester, which is 350 miles away

:04:59.:05:03.

from us and the problems are that she's a youngster, she's poorly and

:05:04.:05:08.

we've just not been able to support her. She's got no chance of home

:05:09.:05:16.

leave, she's been cut off from her family and her friends and that's

:05:17.:05:20.

been ongoing. Let's talk now to Lord Crisp,

:05:21.:05:23.

who's behind today's report which looks into the future of adult

:05:24.:05:26.

mental health care services. Why does any Trust send a patient

:05:27.:05:37.

with severe mental health difficulties away? They don't have

:05:38.:05:40.

the resources locally. Does that mean beds? When we talk about acute

:05:41.:05:46.

care, there are beds, but also home treatment services, that may mean

:05:47.:05:49.

that you are at home and that people are coming in to see you two or

:05:50.:05:53.

three times a day. There are advantages about home treat, as

:05:54.:05:57.

opposed to beds, because it stops breaking all the social life, you

:05:58.:06:01.

don't lose your tenancy if you are in housing or whatever else and it's

:06:02.:06:05.

easier for rehabilitation. We think the biggest issue here in terms of

:06:06.:06:09.

extra resource is about more home treatment. ? Right. But there are

:06:10.:06:17.

plenty of Trusts who are able to treat patients with severe mental

:06:18.:06:21.

health problems in the locality aren't they, why can't everybody do

:06:22.:06:24.

it? You are absolutely right. There are three or four different issues

:06:25.:06:28.

here. Firstly, sometimes the problem just lands on the Trust and the

:06:29.:06:33.

entire system that surrounds it doesn't support it in doing it. One

:06:34.:06:37.

of the big problems is housing. This is one of the most interactable

:06:38.:06:41.

problems so you end up with acute wards with people on them who don't

:06:42.:06:45.

need to be there. We did a survey and found that roughly 15% of

:06:46.:06:49.

people, according to the consultants in charge of the wards didn't need

:06:50.:06:53.

to be there and that offn the problem was there wasn't alternative

:06:54.:06:55.

resources in the community for them to go to. Very often that was

:06:56.:07:00.

housing. At the moment, there are some big problems about social

:07:01.:07:03.

housing, is that's interactable. There are different issues in

:07:04.:07:07.

different areas, but you are absolutely right, some do it well

:07:08.:07:10.

and we need to learn from those people. You say it's unacceptable

:07:11.:07:15.

and potentially dangerous, why? We are saying, forgot just about the

:07:16.:07:19.

long distance treatment, it's actual about the difficulties of admission

:07:20.:07:22.

because we make another recommendation which is that

:07:23.:07:25.

everybody should be admitted within four hours after it's been decided

:07:26.:07:28.

after they have been assessed. We all know of cases around the

:07:29.:07:33.

country, happily not terribly many, where people haven't been admitted

:07:34.:07:37.

or have been discharged early or something, and they have either hurt

:07:38.:07:41.

themselves or somebody else. That's why it's potentially dangerous. The

:07:42.:07:46.

stronger we make this system, the less likely it is that we'll see

:07:47.:07:50.

those dreadful incidents. Is the Government listening? Will things

:07:51.:07:54.

change because you have talked about resources, there is no money, health

:07:55.:07:58.

is protected in terms of funding, that is what is said? There is a new

:07:59.:08:04.

political will around, all political parties are talking about giving

:08:05.:08:12.

mental health and physical health the same attention. There is a lot

:08:13.:08:15.

of talk, but is the action backing up the rhetoric? That is our

:08:16.:08:19.

challenge. Stop talking about it or do this and I've talked to ministers

:08:20.:08:24.

and others in the last few days and people are really keen to support

:08:25.:08:28.

these sorts of recommendations. Now, the Prime Minister on I think it was

:08:29.:08:32.

January 11th, made a speech about additional money for mental health

:08:33.:08:35.

and he talked specifically about home treatment and that's good. We

:08:36.:08:40.

haven't seen that money, we don't know how much it is and whether it's

:08:41.:08:44.

spread over five or one year, but to do this, you need a real focus,

:08:45.:08:47.

primarily on home treatment but the other big issue is housing. Thank

:08:48.:08:49.

you very much. The Shadow Home Secretary Andy

:08:50.:08:59.

Burnham has warned that it may be impossible for Labour to reach

:09:00.:09:03.

an agreed position on Trident. It comes after the Shadow Defence

:09:04.:09:06.

Secretary Emily Thornberry faced questioning from Labour MPs last

:09:07.:09:10.

night, during a presentation about her review of

:09:11.:09:12.

the party's defence policy. Afterwards she was branded waffly

:09:13.:09:16.

and incoherent by a former Shadow Defence Minister,

:09:17.:09:18.

amid renewed party infighting over Our Political Guru, Norman Smith,

:09:19.:09:20.

is in Westminster. Who is saying what and why and can

:09:21.:09:32.

they reach a solution one day? It could be mission impossible frankly

:09:33.:09:35.

such are the divisions in the party over whether they go along with

:09:36.:09:39.

Jeremy Corbyn who doesn't want to renew the nuclear deterrent, or

:09:40.:09:43.

whether they stick with the nuclear deterrent and build a new range of

:09:44.:09:46.

submarine Toscary them. Certainly last night at the meeting of the

:09:47.:09:51.

Parliamentary Labour Party when the new Shadow Defence Secretary, Emily

:09:52.:09:55.

Thornberry was setting out her plans for a review, she was heckled by

:09:56.:10:00.

Labour MPs. She had to ask them to keep quiet and let her get her

:10:01.:10:03.

arguments over. The chairman at the meeting had to intervene to calm

:10:04.:10:07.

things down. One Labour MP to her face said she was living in la-la

:10:08.:10:12.

land. Neil Kinnock, the former Labour Leader when she emerged from

:10:13.:10:17.

the meeting and was asked how did it go, just started laughing. I mean,

:10:18.:10:22.

it did not go well, let's say that, albeit this morning Emily Thornberry

:10:23.:10:25.

on the Today programme sought to play down the level of

:10:26.:10:27.

disagreements. This is what she said. It's a hard job that I've been

:10:28.:10:31.

given, I accept that it's a hard job. But I think that if people

:10:32.:10:37.

proceed with goodwill and if we are prepared to go into this and look at

:10:38.:10:41.

the evidence, the evidence will draw us to certain conclusions and we

:10:42.:10:44.

need to have all the options on the table and we need to have a proper

:10:45.:10:49.

debate within the party. Obviously, I mean it's been well rehearsed,

:10:50.:10:55.

four, five, perhaps possibly six people at the PLP kicked off last

:10:56.:11:01.

night but I don't think they necessarily represent the whole of

:11:02.:11:07.

the Parliamentary... What has made this all together more difficult,

:11:08.:11:10.

it's hard to see a compromise. Jeremy Corbyn suggested this idea of

:11:11.:11:14.

building the submarines but not putting missiles on them. Now,

:11:15.:11:18.

that's been dismissed by a lot of Labour MPs as just frankly not

:11:19.:11:27.

credible. This morning the Shadow Home Secretary Andy Burnham said,

:11:28.:11:31.

look, you know what, it may just be impossible to reach any sort of

:11:32.:11:36.

compromise or agreed position on Trident. I believe the world is very

:11:37.:11:42.

uncertain and I don't believe we can take a step on our own into the

:11:43.:11:47.

unknown right now so I've set out my position, we always knew this would

:11:48.:11:50.

be a difficult debate for the party, there are two positions difficult to

:11:51.:11:55.

reconcile here, maybe impossible to reconcile and the party's got to

:11:56.:11:59.

find some way of accommodating those positions and move forward and not

:12:00.:12:04.

let this issue take over everything. Let me give you a sense of the

:12:05.:12:09.

dismay in the party. There was one Labour MP, Madeline Moon, a member

:12:10.:12:13.

of the Defence Select Committee, and immediately after the meeting of the

:12:14.:12:19.

Parliamentary Labour Party, she tweeted this; oh, dear, oh, dear,

:12:20.:12:25.

oh, my God, oh, dear, oh, dear, need to rest in a darkened room. A short

:12:26.:12:32.

time ago I asked Ms Moon why she felt like that? Labour's policy is

:12:33.:12:39.

very clear. We actually support the renewal of the deterrent. That's our

:12:40.:12:43.

position. What worries me is that you can't have an open and honest

:12:44.:12:48.

debate if what you are saying is, I would never use the deterrent, I

:12:49.:12:52.

don't support the deterrent, but I'm doing a review. Now, that is not an

:12:53.:12:57.

open and honest discussion. It's perfectly valid to have a position

:12:58.:13:00.

where you don't support Trident. That's valid. But to say that your

:13:01.:13:05.

position is that you are willing to discuss it when clearly you are not,

:13:06.:13:09.

is forgot honest. That upsets me a great deal. So your sense is that

:13:10.:13:14.

it's a fix in effect, that the decision has already been made, that

:13:15.:13:17.

you are not going to support Trident? That's the feeling that we

:13:18.:13:26.

are all getting. What worries me is, this discussion needs to be

:13:27.:13:30.

wide-ranging and in-depth. I don't see much discussion with the other

:13:31.:13:34.

members of NATO. Remember, Britain's nuclear deterrent is part of the

:13:35.:13:39.

NATO arsenal, it's not just about the protection of Britain. It would

:13:40.:13:43.

be called on by the 28 members to be used. We expect the members of NATO

:13:44.:13:49.

to come to our defence and we to go to their defence. You cannot think

:13:50.:13:52.

that we can get rid of a deterrent that's critical to the security of

:13:53.:13:53.

the whole of Europe. Vic, you get some divisions in

:13:54.:14:04.

politics which just can't be reconciled, you think of, I suppose,

:14:05.:14:07.

the Conservative Party and the difficulties they've had over Europe

:14:08.:14:10.

which has dogged them for years, you go back a while to, before the

:14:11.:14:16.

Second World War, the disagreements over appeasement and rearmament, and

:14:17.:14:20.

you kind of wonder actually whether Labour are facing a similar schism

:14:21.:14:24.

over Trident. It's just simply not going to be possible to bridge the

:14:25.:14:29.

divide between those who want to renew our nuclear deterrent and

:14:30.:14:31.

those like Jeremy Corbyn who don't. So much so that some Labour MPs are

:14:32.:14:36.

openly talking that at the next election if Jeremy Corbyn gets his

:14:37.:14:40.

way and the party becomes a unilateralist party, they are going

:14:41.:14:42.

to issue their own personal manifestos in which they'll say,

:14:43.:14:46.

never mind what Jeremy Corbyn thinks, I personally remain

:14:47.:14:49.

committed to renewing Trident. Thank you very much, Norman.

:14:50.:14:53.

We could hear every word, crystal clear, sorry about the glitching on

:14:54.:14:55.

the line though. Still to come, how a student with

:14:56.:15:04.

leukaemia defied the odds to find a mixed race seven Ali stem cell

:15:05.:15:12.

donor. And nearly eight out of 1010 to 12-year-olds in Britain have a

:15:13.:15:16.

social media recount, despite a minimum age limit of 13. If you have

:15:17.:15:21.

children under 13 and you let them on social media, get in touch and

:15:22.:15:23.

explain yourself! At least eight people have died

:15:24.:15:30.

and around 150 others have been injured in a head-on train crash

:15:31.:15:33.

in Bavaria in southern Germany. Emergency services are using boats

:15:34.:15:45.

and helicopters to carry people to hospital from the crash site,

:15:46.:15:49.

trapped between a forest and a river.

:15:50.:15:50.

A woman with dyslexia has won a disability discrimination case

:15:51.:15:55.

against Starbucks after she was accused

:15:56.:15:57.

Meseret Kumulchew was disciplined after she recorded times and

:15:58.:16:06.

temperatures incorrectly. The NHS in England has been told

:16:07.:16:09.

to stop sending mental health patients a long way

:16:10.:16:12.

from home for care. An independent inquiry says

:16:13.:16:14.

the practice is unacceptable A health watchdog has warned

:16:15.:16:16.

that there is no such thing The National Institute for Health

:16:17.:16:23.

and Care Excellence in England says the need for short term sun exposure

:16:24.:16:27.

to build up Vitamin D has to be balanced against the

:16:28.:16:30.

risks of skin cancer. The head of the technology giant

:16:31.:16:32.

Google has become the highest-paid Sundar Pichai has been

:16:33.:16:40.

awarded nearly 140 million pounds-worth of shares,

:16:41.:16:42.

which happens to be ten million pounds more than Google recently

:16:43.:16:44.

agreed to pay the UK government And Andy Murray has become a dad,

:16:45.:16:55.

after his wife, Kim Sears, gave birth to a girl over the weekend.

:16:56.:17:00.

Bookmakers are already quoting 250-1 that the little one grows up to win

:17:01.:17:02.

Wimbledon. Kenyan officials say they will not

:17:03.:17:14.

risk sending athletes to the Olympic Games in Brazil later this year,

:17:15.:17:22.

should the Zika virus which academic levels. Former British Lions captain

:17:23.:17:30.

Paul O'Connell has been Ali retired from rugby. After a hamstring injury

:17:31.:17:35.

at the tournament he has been forced to stop playing.

:17:36.:17:41.

England's one-day side look to seal a convincing series win over

:17:42.:17:44.

You can listen on the BBC sport website from 11:15.

:17:45.:17:54.

Liverpool face West Ham in an FA Cup fourth round replay tonight

:17:55.:17:57.

at Upton Park, with Jurgen Klopp set to take his place in the visitors'

:17:58.:18:00.

dugout just three days after having his appendix removed.

:18:01.:18:02.

Beth Tweddle remains in hospital after neck surgery. She fell on the

:18:03.:18:08.

slopes during rehearsals for the Channel 4 reality show The Jump.

:18:09.:18:12.

That is all the sport for now, back with more on the news channel

:18:13.:18:13.

throughout the day. We now know that eight people have

:18:14.:18:19.

died in a head-on We now know that eight people have

:18:20.:18:27.

two trains in the state of Bavaria. Up to 150 others are said to be

:18:28.:18:32.

injured. A major rescue operation is underway. We can speak to a local

:18:33.:18:35.

journalist who has just left the scene. What were you able to see?

:18:36.:18:39.

There were hundreds of members of the rescue teams from Austria, from

:18:40.:18:52.

the southern Bavarian region. They tried to get the injured people out

:18:53.:19:00.

of the train by helicopters. They can't really land there. It's a very

:19:01.:19:05.

narrow road, on one side of the train tracks there is a small

:19:06.:19:15.

kennel, on the other side there is a little forest. It is a pretty hard

:19:16.:19:20.

rescue action. The latest information I have got is that the

:19:21.:19:26.

injured people are all in hospital, so they cryptic error of all of

:19:27.:19:33.

them. This part of the rescue action is already done. -- so they can take

:19:34.:19:40.

care of them. Anybody injured within the wreckage, they have pulled them

:19:41.:19:48.

out? Sorry? Everybody trapped in the wreckage, the rescuers have managed

:19:49.:19:53.

to get out? Yes, they are still working on the front side of the

:19:54.:20:01.

train, they are very damaged. We are not sure, but we guess that they are

:20:02.:20:06.

trying to get out the people that died in the train. Would you expect

:20:07.:20:12.

the number of fatalities could rise as the hours pass? We are not sure.

:20:13.:20:20.

We hope to get more information at the press conference right now, at

:20:21.:20:25.

12 o'clock, where the German Minister of transportation is taking

:20:26.:20:29.

part. He is supposed to arrive at the scene in a few minutes. After

:20:30.:20:35.

that, we hope we get more information, we hope that the 150

:20:36.:20:44.

injured people is the last number. Thank you very much for talking to

:20:45.:20:46.

us. A student who was diagnosed with an

:20:47.:20:53.

aggressive form of leukaemia has found a stem cell donor after a

:20:54.:20:58.

celebrity backed viral campaign inspired thousands to donate. She's

:20:59.:21:04.

24, she needs a stem cell transplant but her unusual Thai and Italian

:21:05.:21:15.

heritage meant that a mixed race donor was required. She has recorded

:21:16.:21:20.

this video message. I am very excited to tell you some great news.

:21:21.:21:25.

A well matching donor has been found. If all goes to plan, I will

:21:26.:21:38.

go to transplant soon. It is kind of incredible to think that it is one

:21:39.:21:42.

in 25 million. I know there is a long road ahead, but I want to thank

:21:43.:21:50.

every single person that has been behind the Match4Lara campaign.

:21:51.:21:54.

Thanks for everybody's efforts. There are still lots of donor drives

:21:55.:21:59.

planned. I urge everybody who has not signed up yet to go to the donor

:22:00.:22:08.

drives and sign up. From the very beginning, this campaign has been

:22:09.:22:13.

not just about finding a match for me, but diversifying the donor

:22:14.:22:16.

Registry and getting more people on the registry in general. There are

:22:17.:22:22.

still plenty of people waiting to find their donor. The campaign,

:22:23.:22:29.

called Match4Lara, has gained global attention and has been backed by the

:22:30.:22:32.

Prime Minister, David Cameron, and various celebrities, including

:22:33.:22:40.

Gareth Bale and JK Rowling, boot treated, the donor is desperately

:22:41.:22:43.

needed to save this young woman's life. Stephen Fry asked his

:22:44.:22:47.

followers to do something with your unique identity and save a life.

:22:48.:22:51.

Mark Wahlberg gave his support, simply tweaking the link to the

:22:52.:22:57.

website. Pink Floyd's Nick Mason urged fans to get the word out and

:22:58.:23:03.

help save a life. Let's talk to Lara 's father, at University College

:23:04.:23:11.

Hospital in central London. First, your reaction when you realised a

:23:12.:23:16.

match had been found? Well, obviously it was amazing news. We

:23:17.:23:21.

knew how difficult it was going to be. We were really overjoyed. Do you

:23:22.:23:27.

know whereabouts this donor lives? No, this has been kept confidential

:23:28.:23:35.

for the next two years, we will not know. But a big thank you goes to

:23:36.:23:41.

him or her, wherever they may be. What happens now, in terms of this

:23:42.:23:47.

donor giving their stem cells? Well, the donor will have to go through a

:23:48.:23:53.

relatively simple procedure, which is analogous to giving blood. There

:23:54.:23:59.

will be hooked up to a machine for about four hours. After a few days

:24:00.:24:04.

of drug treatment, the machine basically collects stem cells from

:24:05.:24:09.

the blood and then puts the blood back into the system. In terms of

:24:10.:24:18.

transferring them to Lara The bags will travel one kilometre, 10,000

:24:19.:24:25.

miles, we don't know where they are coming from. They will be shipped

:24:26.:24:31.

within 48 hours, or something like that. At that point, Lara will have

:24:32.:24:38.

already gone through a feud days of serious chemotherapy and

:24:39.:24:41.

radiotherapy, to wipe out her immune system. She will be receiving the

:24:42.:24:46.

cells. So does require a lot of coordination from teams

:24:47.:24:52.

internationally. It is not over, is it? There is quite a way to go? Of

:24:53.:24:57.

course, the treatment, it is part of it. Before the new stem cells will

:24:58.:25:06.

become part of the immune system, it will take a while. It is at least 18

:25:07.:25:14.

months before the doctor can say, yes, this has fully worked. But, of

:25:15.:25:20.

course, hopefully, there are various steps in between that will give

:25:21.:25:26.

encouragement that things are going in the right direction. We wish you

:25:27.:25:30.

all the best, and to Lara, as well. Yes, thank you. Thank you for your

:25:31.:25:37.

time. Before 11, Moore on fracking and children's social media

:25:38.:25:41.

accounts. We wanted to show you some pretty incredible pictures of

:25:42.:25:44.

lightning from space. Why not? They have just been posted on Twitter by

:25:45.:25:49.

Tim Peake. Straight from the International Space Station. He said

:25:50.:25:53.

this. Amazing how much lightning can strike our planet in a short time.

:25:54.:25:58.

Flying from North Africa, over Turkey, towards Russia in this

:25:59.:26:02.

time-lapse. Let's look again. Absolutely stunning. Posted by Tim

:26:03.:26:10.

Peake, the British astronaut, on the International Space Station right

:26:11.:26:13.

now. He should be doing some work, shouldn't he?

:26:14.:26:23.

Hundreds of people are gathering at Blackpool Football Club. Cuadrilla

:26:24.:26:30.

is trying to overturn a decision to ban drilling on two site in rural

:26:31.:26:34.

Lancashire. The debate has become heated, with both sides accusing the

:26:35.:26:38.

other of distorting the facts or scaremongering. Jim Reid has been

:26:39.:26:43.

speaking to the chief Executive of Cuadrilla ahead of the public

:26:44.:26:44.

inquiry. Would you personally be happy

:26:45.:26:46.

to live a couple of hundred meters Yes, I'd have no problem

:26:47.:26:49.

with that at all. I've worked in the oil and gas

:26:50.:26:52.

industry all my career, 30 years, and particularly

:26:53.:26:55.

here in the UK it has the highest standards of safety

:26:56.:26:57.

and environmental responsibility of any industry, I would

:26:58.:26:59.

say, in the country. But it would be pretty obvious

:27:00.:27:01.

you were living near it. Well, during the construction phase

:27:02.:27:04.

it is like a construction site, but I think what people often forget

:27:05.:27:06.

is that the production phase of the site is vastly longer

:27:07.:27:09.

than the construction phase. Typically, construction,

:27:10.:27:12.

drilling takes about two years but the site can be in operation

:27:13.:27:14.

for 20 or 25 years after that. Certainly during the drilling phase

:27:15.:27:18.

it's like a construction site, but during the production phase

:27:19.:27:21.

you will not know it's there, producing gas - you can't see

:27:22.:27:24.

it, hear it, smell it. But that's still two

:27:25.:27:27.

years of disruption. The country needs natural gas,

:27:28.:27:28.

everybody in the country uses natural gas, so if we don't

:27:29.:27:32.

produce our own we're going to be reliant on imports,

:27:33.:27:35.

increasingly from North Africa, Our point of view, and I think a lot

:27:36.:27:37.

of people would agree, it makes much more sense

:27:38.:27:41.

to develop it here. Why does it make more

:27:42.:27:44.

sense to develop it here? Because one, it's more

:27:45.:27:48.

environmentally friendly, because if you're going to import it

:27:49.:27:50.

all the way in a pipeline from Siberia then that's

:27:51.:27:53.

going to use a lot more energy, Two, it's going to be more

:27:54.:27:55.

expensive. Three, it's going to be

:27:56.:27:59.

infinitely less secure. But we're always going to be buying

:28:00.:28:04.

gas, this country is not going to be self-sufficient in gas

:28:05.:28:08.

even if fracking takes off in the way you and the

:28:09.:28:09.

Government think it will. It's a fair point,

:28:10.:28:12.

but every bit helps. In Lancashire, you lost

:28:13.:28:15.

the original case last year. Why now take it to appeal,

:28:16.:28:18.

why have a second go? I wouldn't describe it

:28:19.:28:22.

as having a second go, Everybody has the right of appeal

:28:23.:28:24.

in a planning context, We firmly believe that the decision

:28:25.:28:29.

that was taken by the county councillors was wrong,

:28:30.:28:35.

and the county council's own planning officer

:28:36.:28:38.

recommended it be approved, their own legal QC went

:28:39.:28:42.

into writing to tell them that, whilst they could turn it down,

:28:43.:28:45.

they had the right to turn it down, it would be, in his words,

:28:46.:28:48.

irresponsible to do that. Polls do show that more people

:28:49.:28:52.

support fracking in this country nationwide than oppose it,

:28:53.:28:56.

but that difference has Is that a concern for you,

:28:57.:28:58.

that you're losing the PR battle? This is not an industry that's

:28:59.:29:06.

going to be there for a year or two. It's hopefully going to be

:29:07.:29:09.

there for 20 or 30 years, If you were to start coal

:29:10.:29:12.

mining today, for example, I'm sure you'd have lots of people

:29:13.:29:16.

who'd say we should never do this, But what you find with anything,

:29:17.:29:20.

mobile phone masts, wind farms, etc, It's not, "We're going

:29:21.:29:26.

to convince everybody." I don't think we're going

:29:27.:29:33.

to convince everybody. I'm sure there will be people

:29:34.:29:35.

on this programme who say they'll never be convinced, but you need

:29:36.:29:38.

to get on and do something. We, as a country, need to get

:29:39.:29:41.

on and do something, because we can't just rely

:29:42.:29:43.

on everybody else to provide The boss of Cuadrilla, speaking to

:29:44.:29:46.

Jim Reid. Would you - or have you -

:29:47.:29:55.

allowed your 10, 11 or 12 year old to use Instagram,

:29:56.:29:59.

Snapchat or Facebook? You shouldn't because the minimum

:30:00.:30:00.

age is 13 and yet a survey released to mark Safer Internet Day has found

:30:01.:30:03.

that nearly 80% of 10-12 year olds in the UK have a social

:30:04.:30:07.

media account. It was commissioned

:30:08.:30:09.

by BBC Newsround. It found that while the majority

:30:10.:30:10.

of young kids had a generally positive experience on social media,

:30:11.:30:13.

a significant minority said someone else had been rude,

:30:14.:30:15.

unkind or trolled them. The four most-popular accounts

:30:16.:30:18.

mentioned by the children were Facebook, YouTube,

:30:19.:30:20.

Instagram and Snapchat. The minimum age for

:30:21.:30:24.

a Facebook account is 13. It's the same for

:30:25.:30:26.

Instagram and Snapchat. YouTube says it's only intended

:30:27.:30:29.

for children age 13 or over. There is no consistency among

:30:30.:30:33.

minimum ages on social media, for example Twitter doesn't require

:30:34.:30:35.

an age but for Whatsapp it's 16. Our reporter Peter Coulter headed

:30:36.:30:40.

to Poole Park Primary School in north London to ask a group

:30:41.:30:42.

of year sixes whether they use social media and what

:30:43.:30:46.

they look at online. Hello, I'm ten years

:30:47.:30:55.

old and I use Instagram. Hello, I'm 11 years old and I don't

:30:56.:30:58.

use any social media. Hello, I'm 11 years

:30:59.:31:03.

old and I'm on Snapchat. Hello, I'm 11 years old and I use

:31:04.:31:07.

Facebook and Twitter. Hello, I'm 11 years old,

:31:08.:31:13.

it's my birthday today Hello, I'm 10 years old,

:31:14.:31:17.

and I don't use any social medias. So how many of you have put

:31:18.:31:27.

in a fake age in order to set Well, because they don't

:31:28.:31:33.

let like little ones, I used a different age but it's been

:31:34.:31:40.

a long time so I can't remember The social media I'm using,

:31:41.:31:44.

Snapchat, it has kids mode and higher and, to not be

:31:45.:31:48.

on the kids mode because on the kids mode all you do is draw,

:31:49.:31:52.

so I decided that I want to make a fake age so I can be

:31:53.:31:56.

counted as older than I am. For my Snapchat I put it on kids

:31:57.:32:02.

mode because I am a kid So you're all saying you're

:32:03.:32:09.

on social media but you know you are not supposed to be on it

:32:10.:32:19.

because you're under 13. How many of your parents know that

:32:20.:32:22.

you're using these apps? I text my dad from Twitter

:32:23.:32:25.

and my mum from Facebook. But they don't know

:32:26.:32:34.

about my friends. Well, my mother doesn't actually

:32:35.:32:37.

know that I use Snapchat but one day I had Snapchat and I told her

:32:38.:32:49.

about it and she thought as long And I didn't like that,

:32:50.:32:53.

so I decided, OK that's it I'm done with this, I'm not doing kids mode

:32:54.:33:04.

any more, I want to act like I'm So have you been added by many

:33:05.:33:08.

people that you don't know? Basically one time I was putting my

:33:09.:33:16.

volume up for my alarm and then suddenly I got a text message

:33:17.:33:23.

and a link to a website and it was an estimated number

:33:24.:33:28.

and it was like women who use Viber I gave my phone to my mother

:33:29.:33:34.

and she wrote down the number and ever since then I've been

:33:35.:33:41.

having to delete many, many numbers and profiles

:33:42.:33:45.

that I don't know. In terms of the people that follow

:33:46.:33:51.

you, is it just your friends, or do other people follow

:33:52.:33:57.

you on Snapchat and do other people follow you on Facebook and Twitter

:33:58.:34:02.

that you don't know? So you do get requests from people

:34:03.:34:06.

you don't know? And from adults, mostly

:34:07.:34:17.

adults do you think, Neither of you are

:34:18.:34:25.

on social media. Because my parents, they don't

:34:26.:34:31.

let me go on it and once my big brother, he had Facebook but then

:34:32.:34:37.

some random people started liking him and then my mum told him

:34:38.:34:40.

to change his Facebook account but then the same people

:34:41.:34:46.

keep on following him. They sent him disgusting pictures

:34:47.:34:52.

then my mum just deleted it, she's never let us go

:34:53.:35:03.

on any social medias. Let's talk to two parents about how

:35:04.:35:11.

they manage what their children get John Robert writes the blog

:35:12.:35:14.

Dad You Geek, he has two And Deborah Hodge has a daughter

:35:15.:35:19.

of 12 and a daughter of nine, Your two-year-old you say knows how

:35:20.:35:37.

to use a tablet? Yes. Because you let her? I do let her. It's more of

:35:38.:35:45.

a necessity rather than a want. It keeps her quiet while I'm busy

:35:46.:35:50.

working from home. A lot of parents let their toddlers watch YouTube

:35:51.:35:53.

because there are a lot of cartoons on there. Yes, I mean I know what

:35:54.:36:01.

she's doing. Eight out of ten 10-12-year-olds have a social media

:36:02.:36:05.

account. Surprised in any way at all by that? Not at all. Even though you

:36:06.:36:13.

are supposed to be 13? It's recommended. They are different

:36:14.:36:17.

mental ages so it's down to your own judgment. You know your kids better

:36:18.:36:22.

than most people. You think most of that 80% have asked permission from

:36:23.:36:25.

their parents? I don't know if most have. No. What about your own kids,

:36:26.:36:30.

what are they on and are you aware of everything and have you let them?

:36:31.:36:35.

My daughter, the 12-year-old, she was on Twitter and I saw a tablet

:36:36.:36:45.

and a laptop open, belonging to her, I went mental, I said, you can't be

:36:46.:36:50.

on Twitter, because I was worried about what she was going to be

:36:51.:36:54.

exposed to. She went underground with it. It was lick a game of

:36:55.:36:58.

tennis, she'd lock it down and then go back on it. I said, you can be on

:36:59.:37:03.

it as long as I've got your password and one of my friends who's got

:37:04.:37:08.

20,000 followers, she monitors what Eleanor is doing so I have a sense

:37:09.:37:12.

that I can see what she's up to and I don't feel as bad about Twitter,

:37:13.:37:17.

although I have seen some images myself. Images, pornography you are

:37:18.:37:22.

talking about? Yes. I've been followed by some people that have

:37:23.:37:27.

sent me things. Eleanor's picture is quite demure, it's not sexualised,

:37:28.:37:31.

so I do monitor and I think it's better to be able to see what

:37:32.:37:32.

so I do monitor and I think it's doing, rather than her going into

:37:33.:37:37.

her bedroom and being on social media alone. It's all about having

:37:38.:37:41.

that conversation with your kids. Like anything with children, if you

:37:42.:37:45.

try to take it from them without any conversation, they are going to

:37:46.:37:48.

rebel. Why are we letting them under the age of 13 when that is the

:37:49.:37:53.

recommended age? It's recommended by the social network, there is no

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statutory law, so... Absolutely. Personally for me, Katie doesn't

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have Twitter, she has an account so we tag her in tweets when we are

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out, she never comments on that, but she has Snapchat, that's more of an

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interaction thing with her family and friends and I would rather her

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take part in that than be excluded. As long as you talk to them about

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proper use and the dangers, if it's not controlled, you are not using

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the right security settings, then it can be scary. You have had that

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conversation about privacy settings? Yes and we have privacy settings on

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her I pad and I phone. She's God her own I pad and I phone? Yes. How old

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is she? 11. Blimey, John! That's not about being geeky. Isn't that

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obscene? Why? Because it's two pieces of kit which are practically

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the same, both really expensive. IPhone what, not a 6S? No, a 5 C,

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the basic one. Wow, I am so old-fashioned, I cannot believe it.

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What about your own? Gosh, I'm in the same boat. My youngest has got a

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tablet now. Tell me it's got all the privacy settings on and all that?

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Erm... Yeah. You don't know, do you? No. I'm not a geek. I'm not a geek

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and I can do it. My kids use their equipment in the living room so if I

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can't see what they are doing, then they shouldn't be on it. So we have

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got an open-door policy so I can see what they are up to all the time. In

:39:40.:39:43.

answer to your question, it's really difficult. My daughter Eleanor

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didn't have a phone up until year 8, she didn't have an iPad. So that is

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the second year of secondary school? Yes, she didn't have any of it and

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it was difficult to get hold of her and there's peer pressure, there's a

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lot of peer pressure, then you get the guilt as a parent, so it was

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just this Christmas that I decided to get those for them. I fought

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against it for a long time, I don't agree with it but we are in an age

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where it's everywhere. My son, he's 19 now, when he was 11, he was sent

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some pictures that I found online. Pornographic pictures? Very, yes.

:40:28.:40:32.

Who sent them to him? A friend? I don't know. Knowing now, I would

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have called the police, I would have called Facebook, I would have been

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proactive but at the time, I was just shocked. He was experimenting

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with sexuality, he's gay and so it was a target, it seemed like a

:40:49.:40:51.

target that men were sending pictures so I learnt a lot from that

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but I learnt the hard way. He's doing OK now, he's got a job in

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London working for social media company, he works in the digital

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market, so it's done him good stead, but if my girls got sent anything

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like that... Katie has unfortunately and that wasn't through a social

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network, it was an app that you share two pictures and like which

:41:13.:41:16.

one you prefer and a friend shared an account with her through that app

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which has very few security settings and she saw pictures that you

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wouldn't ever want your kids to see. We dealt with that and had to have

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the conversation with the other girl's parents. That's awful. Thank

:41:28.:41:30.

you very much for sharing your experiences, thank you for coming on

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the programme. You can see full details of the survey on the BBC

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Newsround website and, if you have any concerns about your child's use

:41:39.:41:41.

of social media, join the BBC News Channel at 11. 30, they are going to

:41:42.:41:46.

put your questions to a child Internet safety expert.

:41:47.:41:56.

Thanks for all your comments today and comments about dyslexia and the

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discrimination that quite a few of you have experienced at work. It

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follows the case of a woman who won an employment tribunal case against

:42:15.:42:19.

Starbucks. She was disciplined after being accused of falsifying

:42:20.:42:23.

documents. I wanted to commit suicide because...

:42:24.:42:33.

I'm not a fraud. The name fraud itself is just, it shouldn't exist

:42:34.:42:40.

for me. It's quite serious. So... Sorry, I'm crying. Yes, I mean, I

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completely nearly ended my life. But I had to think of my kids. That's

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the sort of way that made me bounce back. What do you feel about your

:42:53.:42:58.

job? I love my job. I love my job because it gives me the interaction

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of a different kind of people, educated, disabled, non-

:43:04.:43:08.

non-disabled, so many different customers that I meet and giving

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them a coffee, it might not be a big deal, but to me, I'm making their

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life for the day at least happy. Thanks to those who got in touch

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with your own experiences. Ged is 17, he has dyslexia, trying to find

:43:26.:43:30.

a job at my age is already hard but having dyslexia makes it even more

:43:31.:43:35.

so. Julian says I'm dyslexic, was bullied horribly in my first job and

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left to go to university, it was my second employer who picked up on my

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dyslexia and paid me to have an assessment or paid to get me to have

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an assessment. I now have three degrees and successful career.

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Brilliant. Thank you very much for watching today. We are back tomorrow

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at 9. 156789 have a good day.

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