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Hello, it's Wednesday, it's 9.15, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

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Junior doctors in England begin a second walk-out. It has led to 3000

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operations being cancelled. Despite reassurances by the BMA they would

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negotiate. Over 3000 operations have been cancelled, which will affect

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all non-emergency services. By edge the BMA to put patients first. We

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have presented to the government worked up solution that allows

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junior doctors to be retained in this country in the long time. The

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government has rejected this and plays politics with this contract

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dispute which was obvious when we had a solution and could have

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avoided this. We talk to one man whose dad has had operation

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cancelled. Donald Trump scores a major victory

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in his bid to become the next US President,

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after winning the backing of Republicans in New Hampshire -

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outsider Bernie Sanders easily What began last week in Iowa, with

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voters here in New Hampshire confirming tonight, is nothing short

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of the beginning of a political revolution. We are going to start

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winning again. We are going to win so much, you are going to be so

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happy. We are going to make America so great again, maybe than ever

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before. We will bring your reaction this morning.

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Plus, two tennis umpires are banned and four more are being investigated

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over allegations of fixing - we ask if enough is being done

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We're on BBC Two and the BBC News Channel until 11 this morning.

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Throughout the programme we'll bring you the latest breaking

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A little later we'll take a look at plans to changes to cut

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Motorists could be limited to less than a glass of wine or point

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Motorists could be limited to less than a glass of wine or pint

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of beer before they get behind wheel.

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As ever we're keen to hear from you throughout the programme.

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And you can watch the programme online wherever you are -

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via the bbc news app or our website bbc.co.uk/victoria.

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Thousands of NHS patients in England will have their operations

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or hospital appointments cancelled today because of a strike

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The industrial action - which is over pay and working hours

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- began at eight o'clock this morning and will last 24 hours.

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NHS England says all hospitals have plans in place to deal

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with the disruption, and emergency care will still be provided.

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Ministers say nearly 3,000 operations have been postponed

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In a moment we will be live on a picket line in Scunthorpe.

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Jim Reed has been looking at why the doctors are striking.

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The priority at the moment is the thousands of people

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that we think die unnecessarily because we don't have proper cover

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for urgent and emergency care on weekends.

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They are trying to cut our pay when we are already,

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you know, overworked, underpaid, demoralised,

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and this is why people are going forward.

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and this is why people are going abroad.

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There are 55,000 junior doctors in England.

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These are not just students leaving medical school,

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but anyone below consultant or full GP level.

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That can mean someone with years of experience in charge

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They are the person that you will see clerking

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you in when you go into A, they are the person you might see

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Often they'll be the person that comes round on the ward

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They are often also the people that will be doing surgery in theatre,

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they'll be assisting the consultant when they do operations.

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The starting salary is just under 23,000, but add in over time

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and unsocial hours, and average pay in the first two years is 36,000.

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Those in higher training can earn 53,000, rising to 70,000

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How does that compare with other jobs?

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Well, it's hard to measure and depends on where you live.

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But take average pay for a junior doctor in those first two years.

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It is more than a teacher or a police officer,

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but about the same as the starting salary for a banker and less

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One big part of this is hours worked.

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The Government wants to raise basic wages but change the way it pays

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At the moment, regular hours are set at seven to seven Monday to Friday,

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The Government wants to extend those core hours to 10pm in the week

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and into Saturday for the first time.

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This contract doesn't seem to value the hard work of junior doctors,

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and the trouble with that is that the doctors that are working

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some of the most difficult hours, the ones that are working some

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of the hardest rotas, working through the night,

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through the weekend et cetera, these are the people that really

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They the people that this affects most.

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In the last election, the Conservatives promised to bring

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But illness doesn't respect working hours.

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Heart attacks, major accidents, babies, these things don't just come

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It has been known for years that it's more dangerous to get sick

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A recent study found the odds of dying in hospital are 10% higher

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But doctors say these changes will strip back the safeguards meant

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to stop them working excessive hours and make life less

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Junior doctors in England only are on strike until 8am Thursday

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morning, but this will not affect emergency roles,

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so A and maternity should run as usual.

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Let's now talk to one of the BMA's negotiators -

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So we can now go live to Dominic Hughes. We live in Scunthorpe where

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the junior doctors, some of them have joined a picket line. Here in

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Scunthorpe they have had to cancel a handful of operations, but 3000 200

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operations have had to be cancelled across England. Let's talk to one of

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the doctors. You are a newly qualified doctors? I am, in the

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Castro Department. What is this dispute about? The basic thing, 98%

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of the junior doctors have said this new contract is not safe that the

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patients, it is not fair for the doctors and that is why we are

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striking. I don't want to go into too many details about the contract,

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but 98% of the people have said it isn't safe. This dispute has been

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going on since before you qualified, but it comes down to this issue

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about how much you get paid for working on a Saturday? There are

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current few issues with the contract. The government is going to

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impose the contract, they are saying if you don't negotiate we will

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impose the contract on you, whether you like it or not, frankly it is

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dangerous. Do you accept the government's argument it is about

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improving the quality of care at weekends? Definitely, we all want to

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improve the NHS. The government want to do a seven-day NHS service. We

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all work seven days a week. They want to make collect the work seven

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days with five days funding. It will stretch the doctors even further and

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it is unsafe. Some of those planned operations are cancelled today, hip

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operations and me operations? Yes. At Scunthorpe, it is just a handful,

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but around the country it is significant? The only thing is, this

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is the smallest amount of action we can take. The NHS is the only

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employer in England of junior doctors like me. When they say they

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will impose a contract, we have two stand-up for what we think is fair

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for the patients. On the last strike date I was covering emergency care,

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so if you are sick, please still go to A The BMA say if this contract

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is imposed, junior doctors like yourself, you might look abroad, go

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into academia, is it something you are worried about when you think

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about your career ahead? Definitely, when the government announced the

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strikes, 1000 junior doctors apply for their papers to go and work

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abroad, so there is an impact on the training of doctors in England.

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Sorry to make you squint into the sunshine. But is the picture at

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Scunthorpe. Doctors across England, junior doctors will be joining

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picket lines like this one. Let's talk to one of the union negotiators

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who is also a junior doctor... David Mowat, Conservative MP

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and father of a junior doctor. The sticking point, is what you are

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paid on a Saturday, if you get premium rates of pay, why is it a

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sticking point for you? The important thing to say about this is

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this current offer actually affects people working the hardest rotor is

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the most, areas like A, children's doctors, already work 24 hours a

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day, seven days a week. These are the people this contract change

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undervalues the most. Why will they be undervalued the most? They are

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people working the most evenings and weekends. The problem is we already

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have a huge recruitment crisis in these areas. We have so few doctors,

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they stay long after their hours to cover the gaps in the rotor. The

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problem with this contract is not just an hour, but in the future. It

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stretches the service even thinner and it is not fair for those doctors

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and it is not safe for the patients who will be affected by that. David,

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do you accept the point that it is unfair on particular specialities on

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a Saturday? What the government is trying to do is have a seven-day

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NHS, it was in the manifesto and it is a reasonable objective. Whether

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the doctor is right in saying the service is extremely stretched at

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the moment, frankly we are understaffed as a country and we

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need more doctors. But everybody has to agree it isn't right, if there is

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different outcomes on Saturday and Sunday. The way the contract works

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at the moment, it descends into visors hospitals to actually roster

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people on those days because they have to pay them more. That is the

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thrust of what the government is trying to do. There is no detriment

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to the overall pay bill, it is cashing neutral. But some of the

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effects the BMA doctor talked about may happen, but it is also right the

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government tries to achieve what it is trying to achieve. This strike is

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bad for the doctors, bad for the government and it is bad for the

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patients. The first thing I want to say to respond to that is, this

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absolutely is going to impact the service. Actually, what we're

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looking at already, a survey that was produced this morning that was

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released to the media that shows over 80% of doctors are thinking of

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leaving the profession because of these changes. We need to find a

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better solution for the patients and doctors are committed to that. I

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have spent the last decade of my life training to be a doctor to

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provide better care. What this contract offers is not better, we

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have tried to find a better solution, we have offered the

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government pay package which is within the budget and allows us not

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to undervalue those people. To allow the delivery of this seven-day

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service by maintaining the service we want to provide for those areas

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already undervalued. But the government is more interested in

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winning this political argument and finding a real solution for people.

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I don't think all sections of the population the government wants to

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have an industrial dispute with its junior doctors. They are intrinsic

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to all we do. There is nothing in it for the government to have an

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argument with junior doctors, but we are trying to do the right thing for

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the patients. My understanding on the negotiations is a lot of

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progress was made, one point is outstanding. I know an offer was

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made recently, apparently not good enough, but we are very close. I

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think this strike is regrettable, it is bad for the government, it is bad

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but the doctors and it is bad for the patients. Before we bring in a

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former Acas negotiator, an e-mail from Charles says I don't understand

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this issue of paying doctors extra of a weekend. So many industries

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work shift systems and overtime is irrelevant these days? I understand

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where they are coming from, but it is important with the future of our

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health service, we need a way to recruit enough junior doctors to

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provide the service. You could accept the pay rise of 11% and treat

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Saturday as a normal working day? What they are doing with this change

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is offering a 40% pay cut to those doctors that work anti-social hours.

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They said they would protect your salary for the first three years?

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What of the future? What of the junior doctors coming into this

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profession he will be accepted. Are you not concerned that in three

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years, four years, there will be a massive shortage of junior doctors

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in England? I am concerned. We have a shortage

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of doctors in our country compared with France and Germany. The

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government is trying very hard to get more doctors trained and part of

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that will be retention. The government has to do the right thing

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by patients as well. The point that the e-mail made, is that many

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professions treat Saturdays and Sundays as any other day, such as

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airline pilots, that is an example. It is rostered in a way that it does

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not make a difference to their salaries and it is right to do the

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same for doctors but pay them more at the same time. To talk about

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people talking about a 40% paid the crease is misleading, I do not think

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that is right. This is cash neutral. You can come back on that in a

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second. Let me bring in Peter Harwood, a former negotiator at

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ACAS. You have heard the positions at this point. What would you do

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next, as a former negotiator for ACAS? Conciliator, not negotiator.

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The parties do the negotiating, we try and conciliate between them.

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Basically, the third party tries to change the mood. Obviously, people

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are in positions and they are quite determined to change their

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positions. What we try and get them to do, successfully in this case, a

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lot of issues have been resolved, is getting people to think through

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where they are, but more importantly, thinking through the

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implications of where they are going next. Strike action is always

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something which parties want to avoid. Imposing a contract is

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something parties want to avoid. They basically want to get an

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agreement and that is something we will try and do, go between the

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parties to try and facilitate that. How do you change the mood? The

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problem is one of funding. It is a matter of trying to get the parties

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to see the funding problem and how that can be resolved. Already, you

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have heard that the BMA have said they have got some proposals to try

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and meet the needs of the employers. The employers will have their

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position, they say it is cost neutral, and it is to try and unpick

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that and find a way through to get some common ground. Let me read a

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couple more messages. Sally on Twitter says junior doctors walking

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out, this is shameful, selfish and wrong. Mr K on Twitter says, it is

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not complicated. The same number of doctors spread over a longer period,

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it just does not add up. And Stewart says these junior doctors should be

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grateful of what they have come in, not many have the prospect of

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?70,000 wages in their lives. The first thing I want to say is I

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appreciate the comments that have been made. I understand that people

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have strong feelings about this issue. As you know, we have made an

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offer that is pay neutral, as we have said, to

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try and recruitment problems we have. The other thing that is

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important is, this does not come down to pay. Doctors have taken an

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under inflation pay cut and you have not seen them on picket lines until

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now. We are worried this contract is dangerous, dangerous for patients,

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dangerous for doctors and for the future of the service. We want to

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provide better care. We are standing outside our hospitals which is not

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where we are meant to be, we are meant to be inside, which is where

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we want to be. We have tried to negotiate, we have tried to make

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offers which are in the budget to try and address these problems, but

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they are just not interested in the solutions we have, because what they

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want is to win this political argument. Let me read a couple more

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messages. Leslie says you cannot compare junior doctors' pay with

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teachers which is something we did and our report. Taking

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responsibility for people's lives as a whole different ball game. Police

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officers have unsocial hours without the same academic provocations and

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length of training. Helen says the BMA will never concede we could

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working for regular pay. Jeremy Hunt should enforce the new contract and

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make the NHS 24/7. And John says why did the doctor 's own up, there is

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no amorality to this strike. It is all about money.

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That is the view from quite a lot of people watching this morning. Thank

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you for coming on. Still to come: We look at how

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Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders' win in the New Hampshire primaries

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could change the outcome Corruption in Tennis: Two umpires

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are banned and four are under investigation after a British

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newspaper uncovers the scandal. We'll explain what this means

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for the sport. First, it's the main

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news this morning. Junior doctors in England have begun

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a second 24-hour strike The walkout got underway at eight

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o'clock this morning. Nearly 3,000 operations have been

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cancelled Only emergency care

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will be carried out. The family of the murdered

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schoolgirl Milly Dowler have spoken of the pain they have been through

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since the killer Levi Belfield finally gave details of his crimes.

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The statement said, now we know the final hours of Millie's life,

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perhaps her soul can finally rest in peace. The 13-year-old was killed in

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2002 in Walton in Surrey. Donald Trump has scored a major

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victory in his bid to become the next US President after winning

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the backing of Republicans The Democrats' Presidential

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candidate, Bernie Sanders managed to easily beat Hillary

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Clinton. We are going to make

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America so great again, Now it is on to Nevada,

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South Carolina and beyond. Investigators in southern Germany

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are trying to establish what caused a head-on crash between two

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commuter trains on Tuesday, The black box recorders from both

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trains are being examined. German media are reporting that

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human error is considered the most likely cause of the

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accident. Teacher shortages in England

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are growing after recruitment targets were missed

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for the fourth year running. The National Audit office says more

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and more secondary school pupils are being taught by teachers

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who don't have a degree Two international tennis umpires

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have been secretly banned, one of them for life,

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for corrupt activities last year. An investigation by The Guardian

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newspaper also reveals that another four officials have been suspended

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whilst they're investigated. The bans centre on a scam

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in which umpires deliberately delay posting live scores after each point

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- allowing gamblers to place bets Let's catch up with all

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the sport now and join Ore - and the row over increasing ticket

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prices for Premier League matches More fans are rising up, it would

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seem? No doubt they have got a reason to. I'm sure a lot of fans

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would describe prices in football right now as scandalous. The highest

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priced season ticket in the Premier League at Arsenal is over ?2000 for

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the season. The average cheapest match day ticket is around ?31, that

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is 20 more pounds than in Germany. The average season ticket is ?489,

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way more than the ?74 you can pay for the cheapest season ticket in

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Spain. There is a lot of uproar about the tickets. 11,000 people

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walked out at Anfield after 77 minutes on Saturday, the strongest

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signal so far that fans are fed up about the ticket price is right now.

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We will hear from some of those fans later on in the programme. We will

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also talk about unhappy Liverpool fans. They were knocked out of the

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FA Cup against West Ham in the dying seconds of their match in the fourth

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round replay. We will also talk about England cricket because their

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one-day series against South Africa is still very much alive. Make sure

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you join us around ten o'clock for that. Thank you.

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In America, two men who were considered

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have taken a fairly significant step in the race

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The billionaire Apprentice star Donald Trump has beaten his rivals

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in the state of New Hampshire to get the backing of voters there

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for him to stand as the Republican candidate.

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And for the Democrats the left-wing Bernie Sanders has easily beaten

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It's worth pointing out that if you thought the last

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general election in Britain dragged on for ages -

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At the moment they're trying to work out which candidate will stand

:25:08.:25:12.

for each party - before the actual Presidential election.

:25:13.:25:16.

Each American state gets to vote for who they think should be

:25:17.:25:19.

the party's official candidate in a process known

:25:20.:25:21.

It looks like Donald Trump - who's pledged to deport millions

:25:22.:25:27.

of migrants who are living in the US illegally,

:25:28.:25:30.

build a wall along the border with Mexico, and impose

:25:31.:25:32.

a temporary ban on all Muslims entering the country -

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will get more than twice the number of votes in New Hampshire

:25:37.:25:39.

than the second place Republican candidate.

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We are going to make our country so strong.

:25:43.:25:49.

We are going to start winning again.

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we don't win with the military, we can't beat Isis.

:25:52.:25:58.

And we are going to win so much, you are going to be so happy.

:25:59.:26:06.

We are going to make America so great again,

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I love you all, thank you, New Hampshire.

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we are going to win in South Carolina.

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For the Democrats it was a similar story.

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Senator Bernie Sanders - who is pledging to eradicate income

:26:35.:26:36.

inequality, provide free university education and break up big banks -

:26:37.:26:42.

beat his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton by a huge margin.

:26:43.:26:45.

He said his victory showed people wanted "real change".

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and this is the promise we must keep alive for future generations.

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what voters here in New Hampshire confirmed tonight,

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is nothing short of the beginning of a political revolution.

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that will bring tens of millions of our people together.

:27:09.:27:33.

It will bring together working people

:27:34.:27:35.

who have given up on the political process.

:27:36.:27:38.

It will bring together young people

:27:39.:27:41.

who have never participated in the political process.

:27:42.:27:45.

His Democratic rival Hillary Clinton says she'll continue to fight

:27:46.:27:48.

I know I have some work to do, particularly with young people,

:27:49.:27:55.

but I will repeat again what I've said this week.

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Even if they are not supporting me now,

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I support them, because I know...

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but I also know what it's like to stumble and fall,

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and so many people across America know that feeling.

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And we've learned it's not whether you get knocked down that matters,

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This is all part of the long process as the political parties pick

:28:26.:28:35.

a candidate to stand in the actual election.

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It will be that nominee who will eventually run

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for president with Americans voting in November.

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It's a complex process which started in Iowa a few weeks ago -

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I accept your nomination for President of the United States.

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I accept your nomination for President of the United States!

:28:52.:28:54.

Winning the nomination is a landmark moment in the race

:28:55.:29:00.

for any presidential candidate, but hold on a minute.

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You only get the nomination by getting the support of delegates.

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important people who get to decide things at the convention.

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The number of delegates in each state is based largely on its size,

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so win the state and you win more delegates.

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The candidate who gets the majority of these delegates

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that vote early in the primary process.

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Political buffs call it controlling the calendar.

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The first two states to vote are Iowa and New Hampshire.

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Honestly, they don't really matter in and of themselves -

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and they certainly don't represent America's diverse population.

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But a good showing in Iowa and New Hampshire

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creates a sense of momentum, and with that comes exposure.

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Win Iowa, and suddenly you'll be all over television.

:29:52.:29:54.

Getting the early states is sure to open the pockets of donors.

:29:55.:30:01.

And don't discount that intangible aura of success -

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We are going to South Dakota and Oregon and Washington...

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who've taken that whole success thing just a little too far.

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But if the candidate manages to keep their head while others

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are losing theirs, they make it to March, where the stakes

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and states and number of precious delegates gets bigger.

:30:25.:30:28.

This is where long-term strategy is crucial.

:30:29.:30:31.

A candidate can't be everywhere at once,

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and with a lot of states voting on the same day,

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how does a candidate decide where to focus their efforts?

:30:37.:30:41.

Texas and Vermont both vote on March the 5th.

:30:42.:30:46.

On March 15th, Florida, Ohio and Illinois go to the polls.

:30:47.:30:58.

Analysts say that if we don't have a clear winner by then,

:30:59.:31:01.

this could be the decisive day for both parties.

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And after that, well, the process starts all over again.

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to get you enough votes to get you into the White House.

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Running for President of the United States

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is the biggest endurance test in the world.

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Coming up: Corruption in Tennis as two umpires are banned

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for 'courtsiding' - but what does it involve and how has

:31:45.:31:46.

A new taskforce is being launched by the Home Office today

:31:47.:31:53.

The body which will include representatives from banks

:31:54.:31:56.

and the police plus the government, will try and work together to make

:31:57.:32:01.

sure there's a more concerted effort to crack down on fraud.

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They are promising to "help protect the public from becoming victims

:32:05.:32:07.

of fraud, do everything in their power to stop fraudsters

:32:08.:32:09.

from operating and catch the criminals behind the crime".

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It comes on the day it's revealed that the number of bogus current

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account applications has more than doubled over the last year -

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according to a credit reference company.

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Let's speak to Alex Grant, who's the boss of fraud prevention

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Thanks for talking to us. Surely you do everything you can to tackle

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fraud? My role is to manage fraud prevention which is protect in

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customers, making sure their cash is safe. To do that, we spend heavily

:32:45.:32:51.

on systems. Last night we launched a new analytic system which cost

:32:52.:32:54.

Barclays Bank ?15 million. But it will help us manage the 2.5 billion

:32:55.:33:00.

card transactions are customers do every year. Is this launching of a

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new task force, all the major banks are involved in, is it an admission,

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if you like, that actually, there is stuff you can improve on when it

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comes to protect in customers from fraud? I also chaired Financial

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Fraud Action where the banks get together and we share data, share

:33:23.:33:28.

frauds and losses and we help each other understand what is going on

:33:29.:33:35.

and that helps us help customers. My feeling is the task force is the

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next push, we need to get more joined up, more connected and the

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work strands coming out of the task force will have representatives from

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government, Home Office, police and banks all working together on the

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same agenda. I think that will take us forward. What are the things you

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are worried about when it comes to fraud? I mentioned this credit

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reference company has said the amount of fraud on current account

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applications has doubled, they can make bogus loan and credit card

:34:14.:34:18.

applications? In Barclays Bank, one fraud is one too many. Our corporate

:34:19.:34:24.

clients could be attacked by bogus e-mails and malware. Retail clients

:34:25.:34:29.

by the kind of activities you have just outlined. The job within fraud

:34:30.:34:35.

prevention is to manage a strategy that manages these different types

:34:36.:34:40.

of attack. This is just one tool I have just mentioned, we invest

:34:41.:34:43.

millions of pounds every year to help manage different fraud attacks

:34:44.:34:48.

that we see. You make it sound you are a crass -- across all the cases

:34:49.:34:56.

of fraud, but you are not because we hear of customers being defrauded.

:34:57.:35:02.

Are ahead of the fraudsters? I wouldn't say we are ahead of the

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fraudsters, they are able to invest heavily in the process themselves.

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But to give you some data points, eight out of ten of the online fraud

:35:11.:35:18.

BC, amounting to a year are prevented by the banks and the

:35:19.:35:22.

systems and tools. Our customers have a part to play, they have to be

:35:23.:35:26.

careful how they share their data, have to be careful if they answer

:35:27.:35:30.

the phone and someone says, please transfer money. Banks would never do

:35:31.:35:37.

this. We invest in systems, the combination with those two and

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working closer with the government and the police to go and arrest some

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of these people, which I don't think we do enough of, makes a difference.

:35:45.:35:50.

Thanks, Alex. The boss of fraud prevention at Barclays Bank.

:35:51.:35:53.

A couple of more comments on junior doctors, striking for the second

:35:54.:36:01.

time. Allison says, I support them, they are trying desperately to

:36:02.:36:06.

protect the NHS from the government hell bent on destruction. Amelia

:36:07.:36:11.

says I am a medical student who will be one of the first to potentially

:36:12.:36:14.

signed this new contract which is unsafe for the patients and not fair

:36:15.:36:21.

on the doctors. I only have to work a lot of hours to make ends meet.

:36:22.:36:25.

These conditions will be so dreadful, it will make me want to

:36:26.:36:30.

leave the profession. Who is to blame? Jeremy Hunt. Every doctor and

:36:31.:36:36.

medical student agonises over this, but I suspect Jeremy Hunt couldn't

:36:37.:36:42.

muster up such empathy. This in from Norman Smith from Westminster,

:36:43.:36:47.

government sources, he says, are telling him there is little time

:36:48.:36:51.

left to resolve the dispute. Sources say a deal will have to be done by

:36:52.:36:56.

the middle of February. Well, it is the 14th on Sunday! If the talks are

:36:57.:37:02.

to succeed. Otherwise it is understood the government will move

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to impose the new contracts on junior doctors, which will take

:37:07.:37:10.

effect from this autumn. We will talk to Norman later in the

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programme. Two international tennis umpires

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have been secretly banned, one of them for life,

:37:16.:37:17.

for corrupt activities last year. An investigation by The Guardian

:37:18.:37:19.

newspaper also reveals that another four officials have been suspended

:37:20.:37:22.

whilst they're investigated. The bans centre on a scam

:37:23.:37:23.

in which umpires deliberately delay posting live scores after each

:37:24.:37:26.

point, allowing gamblers to place bets knowing what's

:37:27.:37:28.

going to happen next. Let's talk to the Guardian

:37:29.:37:30.

journalist who broke the story, Sean Ingle, and also a man who's

:37:31.:37:33.

been investigating match fixing for the European Commission,

:37:34.:37:40.

Ben Van Rompuy who's the head of the ASSER

:37:41.:37:44.

International Sports Law Centre. Sean, this is known as courtsiding,

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I presume because you have to be at the side of the Court to make this

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happen? Yes, courtsiding has been around for a long time, it is a

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practice among gamblers who observe live events, they can either bet

:38:12.:38:16.

directly from the court, which is banned now, or they can alert

:38:17.:38:19.

someone who can place a bet quicker than the TV coverage pictures. Now

:38:20.:38:24.

we have the umpires doing it, which is the first we have ever heard. So

:38:25.:38:29.

it is obviously quite serious. How long is the delay before they post

:38:30.:38:33.

the live score and how do they let the gamblers know what happened in

:38:34.:38:39.

the point, so they can place the money on? It should be

:38:40.:38:43.

instantaneous. Basically, all umpires have a tablet. As soon as a

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point is played, they will put it in and it gets sent round the world. If

:38:50.:38:54.

you are watching a game on a live score feed or if you are a

:38:55.:38:58.

bookmaker, you can see that. They were delaying that for up to a

:38:59.:39:04.

minute. While that was delayed, they would be text in a gambler, telling

:39:05.:39:07.

them this player has just won a point. The gambler had time to put a

:39:08.:39:12.

number of bets on four different bookmakers around the world, knowing

:39:13.:39:16.

they were one or two points ahead of the action. It is so simple isn't

:39:17.:39:22.

it? It is so simple. What do you think of the fact that first,

:39:23.:39:27.

umpires are involved in corruption, not necessarily just players and

:39:28.:39:30.

also the fact the global governing body of tennis kept this quiet? I

:39:31.:39:37.

spoke to a senior figure who was shocked at the news and he said it

:39:38.:39:41.

gets to the heart and soul of the game. We expect sometimes players

:39:42.:39:46.

will cheat and sometimes do things that are wrong. But in our less

:39:47.:39:52.

innocent times, we still think umpires will uphold the game.

:39:53.:39:57.

Secondly, I think it raises questions for the ITF, the governing

:39:58.:40:01.

body of tennis. One of the officials who was banned for a year, he was

:40:02.:40:06.

certified for life in February 2015 for contact ding another official on

:40:07.:40:11.

Facebook to manipulate the score of matches. But that was kept quiet.

:40:12.:40:17.

The ITF will say it is not in the rules to release this, but we change

:40:18.:40:21.

the rules in December. We know sporting bodies have to be as

:40:22.:40:25.

transparent as possible, given the suspicions in all sorts of sports,

:40:26.:40:29.

football and athletics. We have got to us, where they as transparent as

:40:30.:40:38.

they could have been. Let's talk to our other guests, you have been

:40:39.:40:41.

investigating for the European Commission. It is not match fixing,

:40:42.:40:47.

but it is corruption. What do you say to what the Guardian have

:40:48.:40:51.

uncovered? I agree, the most surprising part of this is it has

:40:52.:40:57.

been kept quiet. It is difficult to prove any form of corruption, but

:40:58.:41:05.

when you can impose disciplinary sanctions, you should communicate

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because it gives the signal, we are taking this serious, there is zero

:41:10.:41:13.

tolerance and we are investigating such practices. I don't understand

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why they are so secretive about this and it creates the perception, as we

:41:19.:41:22.

have seen from the revelations that were released last month, it gives

:41:23.:41:26.

the perception they are not doing anything. Apparently this isn't

:41:27.:41:31.

true. I cannot comprehend why they do not make this public and actually

:41:32.:41:37.

deter other umpires, in this case, from trying to do the same thing.

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Because there is a lifetime ban over your head. Sean, do you have a

:41:43.:41:50.

theory? If they reveal what the punishment is that they have carried

:41:51.:41:53.

out on these umpires, it deters others? We have asked why this

:41:54.:42:03.

wasn't released and we haven't had a response. All they came back with

:42:04.:42:08.

was, it wasn't in our rules and we have changed our rules now. In

:42:09.:42:12.

future, any of these cases will be made public. I agree, it is an

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obvious things to do and it shows they are being transparent as well.

:42:17.:42:22.

So I agree with you. What have you discovered in your own

:42:23.:42:30.

investigations into corruption? With these kind of events with

:42:31.:42:34.

courtsiding, usually for most events, there will be more data

:42:35.:42:39.

scouts present so you can crosscheck information. Courtsiding is not a

:42:40.:42:43.

huge problem any more because betting operators would pre-empt it

:42:44.:42:49.

by delaying accepting the bet by one or two seconds, so the head start

:42:50.:42:52.

you usually had would not give you a great advantage any more. With these

:42:53.:42:58.

tournaments where there is no audience, no media coverage, it is

:42:59.:43:01.

the umpire that is actually giving their statistics. That makes you

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have only one source of the development of the game. That is of

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course dangerous. As we have seen in this case, if you are the corrupt

:43:14.:43:22.

source, you get the head start because the delay will be

:43:23.:43:26.

sufficient. It is a problem for betting operators, why are the

:43:27.:43:28.

offering bees kind of games? They want to have an offering 24 hours,

:43:29.:43:37.

but there is so many integrity risks and so easy to manipulate. You

:43:38.:43:44.

almost invite or give it on a golden plate to make corruption possible.

:43:45.:43:51.

There is also something to be said from the betting operators' did, why

:43:52.:43:56.

they are taking these risks offering bets on these games that quite

:43:57.:43:59.

frankly, not a lot of people care about or follow, as this ITF future

:44:00.:44:06.

tournaments. Sean, briefly, the other for officials who have been

:44:07.:44:10.

suspended while they are investigated, what can you tell us

:44:11.:44:14.

about what they are being investigated for? Very little, apart

:44:15.:44:22.

from the fact it is courtsiding and they face life bans. But we don't

:44:23.:44:25.

know any more because the process is under review are the tennis

:44:26.:44:30.

integrity unit. Because that is the case now, it is all very vague until

:44:31.:44:36.

the decision is announced. At least this time it will be public unlike

:44:37.:44:42.

the last couple of decisions. Thank you both.

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The fallout from the Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders US presidential

:44:48.:44:58.

race. We will get a reaction from an American living in London to Donald

:44:59.:45:03.

Trump's victory in New Hampshire. Let's get the latest

:45:04.:45:05.

weather update with Carol. I am talking today about how cold it

:45:06.:45:19.

will get, our favourite subject. This morning I could see all the

:45:20.:45:25.

stars. It is I see. We have earned area of low pressure coming in.

:45:26.:45:29.

There is the risk of some wintry showers but it is just a risk. Most

:45:30.:45:33.

of it will be rain. Look at what happens as we head into the weekend.

:45:34.:45:40.

No pressure comes across our shores. This becomes slow-moving because it

:45:41.:45:46.

is disengaged from the jet stream. This could produce some snow from

:45:47.:45:50.

parts of Wales down to the Midlands, The Cotswolds, that kind of area. It

:45:51.:45:55.

is a very mobile situation so it could change. The variation in the

:45:56.:46:01.

position will change the impact of the weather. The other thing I want

:46:02.:46:06.

to point out is the wind direction. You can see some wintry showers

:46:07.:46:09.

coming from north-east Scotland and North East England as well. As we

:46:10.:46:13.

move from Saturday into Sunday, this is when it really turns cold. The

:46:14.:46:19.

low pressure starts to pull away. The wind veers north-easterly and

:46:20.:46:23.

then northerly. It is behind this band of rain we could see some snow.

:46:24.:46:28.

We could see some snow anywhere across Scotland, possibly across the

:46:29.:46:32.

north of England, even further south. Cuddle up to your loved one

:46:33.:46:38.

on Valentine's Day because it will be blooming freezing! It is

:46:39.:46:41.

Valentine's Day, I had forgotten about that! You can see by Sunday

:46:42.:46:48.

the milder air is pushed away by this northerly. It is miserable? It

:46:49.:46:54.

is, it will feel cold. It is cold now but it will feel much colder. We

:46:55.:46:59.

will be talking about our central heating. The viewers will look

:47:00.:47:05.

forward to that conversation! What about today? Today is much quieter.

:47:06.:47:11.

This is a beautiful picture sent in from Fort William. You can see the

:47:12.:47:15.

sun is already out. For many of us, we have started the day with some

:47:16.:47:20.

showers. A lot of them coming into Wales, Cheshire and the Midlands. We

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have had them in Scotland and parts of eastern England. As we go through

:47:28.:47:30.

the morning a lot of those will fade. The big lump of cloud will

:47:31.:47:35.

also start to break up and more sunshine will develop. Some of the

:47:36.:47:39.

showers are wintry in nature. The showers in England are pushing more

:47:40.:47:43.

into the direction of Cornwall. Drying up in Devon and Somerset. It

:47:44.:47:50.

will still feel cold, especially through exposed and blustery wind.

:47:51.:47:55.

Not much wind in Wales. We are looking at dry weather and sunshine.

:47:56.:47:58.

A similar story across Northern Ireland. Showers continuing across

:47:59.:48:04.

Scotland. More so across the Northern Isles. It will feel a bit

:48:05.:48:13.

nippy. For Northern England cold, crisp, winter sunshine. The same for

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East Anglia and Kent. As we drift across Southern counties you will be

:48:18.:48:24.

very unlucky to catch a shower. Through the evening and overnight,

:48:25.:48:29.

if anything, we have the band of showers in northern Scotland

:48:30.:48:32.

thinking a wee bit further south. That could produce some snow and

:48:33.:48:36.

might affect some of the higher routes. These are the temperatures

:48:37.:48:41.

in the countryside. It will be cold with a widespread frost. There is

:48:42.:48:47.

the risk of ice on untreated surfaces. The other risk we have

:48:48.:48:49.

tonight is of freezing fog patches is. Particular in the south west and

:48:50.:48:57.

south. Tomorrow, again a mostly dry day for the bulk of the British

:48:58.:49:02.

Isles. Yes, there will still be a few showers around in the West and

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south as well, but a lot of dry weather. Temperatures roughly where

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we expect them to be at this stage in February. As we move on into

:49:11.:49:17.

Friday, the low pressure is edging in and pushing away. We think it

:49:18.:49:23.

will produce some snow, perhaps on its leading edge, but mostly, it is

:49:24.:49:27.

likely to be rain. Behind it, we are looking at a lot of dry weather. And

:49:28.:49:34.

some easterly wind in the far north-east of Scotland.

:49:35.:49:40.

Hello, it's Wednesday, it's 10 o clock, I'm Victoria

:49:41.:49:42.

Junior doctors are staging a walk-out. This affects people

:49:43.:49:58.

working the hardest areas the most. People in A and children's doctors

:49:59.:50:02.

already working 24-hour is a day seven days a week. It is not right

:50:03.:50:08.

if there are different outcomes on a Saturday and Sunday. And the way the

:50:09.:50:14.

contract works business enterprises people to work on those days because

:50:15.:50:20.

they have to be paid more. We will be talking to a Conservative MP and

:50:21.:50:23.

we will bring together a striking junior doctor and a dad who's son

:50:24.:50:30.

has had his operation cancelled today because of the strike.

:50:31.:50:32.

Also this morning: Donald Trump scores a major victory in his bid

:50:33.:50:35.

to become the next US President after winning the backing

:50:36.:50:38.

of Republicans in New Hampshire - outsider Bernie Sanders easily

:50:39.:50:40.

What voters here confirmed tonight is nothing short of the beginning of

:50:41.:50:53.

a political revolution. We are going to start winning again and we are

:50:54.:50:57.

going to win so much, you are going to be so happy, we are going to make

:50:58.:51:04.

America so great again, maybe greater than before.

:51:05.:51:08.

Also, targets to recruit new teachers have been missed for the

:51:09.:51:11.

fourth year running. We look at what is going wrong.

:51:12.:51:19.

Government sources say if the new contract is not reached with junior

:51:20.:51:32.

doctors then a new contract will be imposed.

:51:33.:51:34.

Junior doctors in England have begun

:51:35.:51:36.

a second 24-hour strike over pay and conditions.

:51:37.:51:38.

The walkout got underway at eight o'clock this morning.

:51:39.:51:44.

Nearly 3000 operations have been cancelled as a result

:51:45.:51:46.

Only emergency care will be carried out.

:51:47.:51:50.

We continue to keep our patients say. That is our primary

:51:51.:51:56.

requirement. We will use all of the clinical care we have will stop.

:51:57.:52:00.

The family of the murdered schoolgirl Milly Dowler have spoken

:52:01.:52:03.

of the "torment and pain" they have been through since her killer

:52:04.:52:06.

Levi Bellfield finally gave police details of his crimes.

:52:07.:52:12.

"perhaps her soul, at long last, can finally

:52:13.:52:21.

The 13-year-old was killed after being abducted on her walk

:52:22.:52:24.

We are joined by our reporter Frankie McCamley. Many people will

:52:25.:52:34.

remember the huge investigation, the disappearance of Milly Dowler. She

:52:35.:52:38.

went missing working home -- walking home from school in 2012. Her

:52:39.:52:44.

remains were found in woods in Hampshire. Levi Belfield was jailed

:52:45.:52:48.

for her murder but he did not admit to it until May last year. When he

:52:49.:52:54.

spoke to officers from Surrey Police, he described how he had

:52:55.:52:59.

abducted her and tortured her and finally murdered her. He also gave

:53:00.:53:06.

information about a suspected accomplice. Police investigated and

:53:07.:53:13.

arrested a 40-year-old man but released him without charge. Today,

:53:14.:53:18.

the family have spoken and said they had to keep silent while the

:53:19.:53:23.

investigation was taking place. They have also said there are no words to

:53:24.:53:27.

describe the additional torment and pain they were going through since

:53:28.:53:31.

they were given the information about the last few hours of their

:53:32.:53:35.

daughter's death. They said this pressure has put the family, it has

:53:36.:53:42.

been unimaginable and they have had to fight every step of the way to

:53:43.:53:47.

get this far. Now they say they know the final hours of Milly's life and

:53:48.:53:52.

they say they hope she can finally rest in peace today. Thank you.

:53:53.:53:55.

Donald Trump has scored a major victory in his bid to become

:53:56.:53:58.

the next US President after winning the backing of Republicans

:53:59.:54:00.

The Democrat Bernie Sanders who was the outsider,

:54:01.:54:07.

managed to beat his main rival Hillary Clinton by more

:54:08.:54:10.

Investigators in southern Germany are trying to establish what caused

:54:11.:54:35.

a head-on crash between two commuter trains on Tuesday,

:54:36.:54:37.

The black box recorders from both trains are being examined.

:54:38.:54:40.

German media are reporting that human error is considered

:54:41.:54:43.

the most likely cause of the accident.

:54:44.:54:44.

Teacher shortages in England are growing after recruitment

:54:45.:54:46.

targets were missed for the fourth year running.

:54:47.:54:48.

The National Audit office says more and more secondary school pupils

:54:49.:54:51.

are being taught by teachers who don't have a degree

:54:52.:54:53.

Two international tennis umpires have been secretly banned,

:54:54.:54:58.

one of them for life, for corrupt activities last year.

:54:59.:55:01.

An investigation by The Guardian newspaper also reveals that another

:55:02.:55:04.

four officials have been suspended whilst they're investigated.

:55:05.:55:07.

The bans centre on a scam in which umpires deliberately delay

:55:08.:55:10.

posting live scores after each point - allowing gamblers to place bets

:55:11.:55:14.

Let's catch up with all the sport now and join Ore, who has the latest

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on the row over ticket prices at Premier League matches.

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That is right. They are going the wrong way, if you ask fans and

:55:31.:55:37.

supporters groups today, there is no need for Premier League clubs to

:55:38.:55:42.

charge such high prices. 10,000 Liverpool supporters staged a

:55:43.:55:46.

walk-out at Anfield on Saturday over the increased cost of ticket prices.

:55:47.:55:56.

The fans say there is no excuse. Football clubs are making more money

:55:57.:56:01.

than ever before. The new TV deals, Liverpool will make an excess of

:56:02.:56:07.

hundred million. Liverpool football club decided to make more money than

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ever before from supporters. If I tell you that under the next media

:56:13.:56:16.

deal, that every Premier League club could afford to let every fan in

:56:17.:56:20.

free to every game and still have as much money as they have now, that

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shows you the eye watering scale of it. This is not just a Liverpool

:56:26.:56:30.

football club issue, there are fans around the country home and away who

:56:31.:56:36.

are getting priced out and finding it increasingly unaffordable. We

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will be talking to supporters about action they may take. I think it is

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important at this moment in time for us to keep this pressure on clubs.

:56:45.:56:50.

They are not happy and they have a reason. The cheapest average Premier

:56:51.:56:55.

League ticket costs around ?30 while so much tickets in Germany's

:56:56.:56:59.

Bundesliga can be bought for around ?9. Having said that, fans at

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Borussia Dortmund protested at high prices by arriving late and then

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doing that, showering tennis balls onto the pitch. Away tickets for the

:57:12.:57:16.

match were around ?55 and that seems to be a universal issue. Football

:57:17.:57:23.

fans not happy. And there were more unhappy

:57:24.:57:26.

Liverpool fans at Upton Park last night after the dramatic FA Cup win

:57:27.:57:33.

which the West Ham manager believes will go down in the history of the

:57:34.:57:38.

club. Seemingly seconds away from a penalty shoot out. Angela oh

:57:39.:57:49.

Ogbonna's header in the dying minutes of the game. This will go

:57:50.:57:58.

into the history of the game definitely. It is the last season in

:57:59.:58:03.

our stadium and we play Liverpool of course, and it is 120 minutes, and

:58:04.:58:09.

we scored in the last minute of the game. And the man who coached

:58:10.:58:13.

Jessica Ennis-Hill to world and Olympic titles wants the GB

:58:14.:58:17.

preparation camp for the Rio games to be moved outside of Brazil

:58:18.:58:23.

because of the Zika virus. He says he has a duty of care and will not

:58:24.:58:27.

be putting any pressure on her to compete. The camp is meant to be in

:58:28.:58:36.

the low horizontally. Some advice has avoided -- suggested women

:58:37.:58:44.

should avoid getting pregnant until 2018. At ten 30, join us for more

:58:45.:58:59.

information about the cricket. Yesterday, I agreed that my two boys

:59:00.:59:03.

on a school night could go and see West Ham and Liverpool, did I do the

:59:04.:59:10.

right thing? They are only 12 and nine. For me as a football fan, it

:59:11.:59:14.

depends which side they are supporting. They are West Ham

:59:15.:59:21.

season-ticket holders. You made the right call. I have not seen them

:59:22.:59:25.

this morning but I am sure they are very happy but will be very tired

:59:26.:59:27.

later on. Thank you. Good morning, welcome

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to the programme, we're on BBC Two and the BBC News Channel

:59:30.:59:33.

until 11 this morning. You've been getting in touch this

:59:34.:59:38.

morning on the doctors strike - and as we've been hearing the main

:59:39.:59:41.

sticking point seems This text says, I am a ward sister.

:59:42.:59:51.

Junior doctors start at 7:30am and will not finish until midnight and

:59:52.:59:55.

that is not right. Louise on Twitter says I am finding it difficult to

:59:56.:00:01.

feel sorry for junior doctors, normal people work shifts, there is

:00:02.:00:04.

no such thing as a normal working week any more. Do keep those coming

:00:05.:00:09.

in. We want to hear your views, particularly if you are affected by

:00:10.:00:11.

the strike. Texts will be charged

:00:12.:00:19.

at the standard network rate. Wherever you are you can

:00:20.:00:21.

watch our programme online - via the BBC News app

:00:22.:00:24.

or our website bbc.co.uk/victoria. Around 3,000 operations have been

:00:25.:00:26.

postponed because of today's junior doctors' strike, according

:00:27.:00:28.

to estimates released This second 24-hour walk-out

:00:29.:00:30.

at hospitals in England is over pay and working hours -

:00:31.:00:33.

but emergency care will be provided. NHS England says all hospitals have

:00:34.:00:36.

plans in place to deal with the disruption and emergency

:00:37.:00:38.

care will still be provided. But more than 2,800 non-emergency

:00:39.:00:41.

operations have been cancelled and many non-urgent

:00:42.:00:43.

appointments will also be postponed. Scotland, Wales and Northern

:00:44.:00:45.

Ireland are not affected. Our reporter Jim Reed

:00:46.:00:47.

has been looking at why The priority at the moment

:00:48.:00:49.

is the thousands of people that we think die unnecessarily

:00:50.:01:06.

because we don't have proper cover for urgent and

:01:07.:01:16.

emergency care on weekends. They are trying to cut our pay

:01:17.:01:18.

when we are already, you know, overworked,

:01:19.:01:22.

underpaid, demoralised, and this is why people

:01:23.:01:23.

are going forward. and this is why people

:01:24.:01:31.

are going abroad. There are 55,000 junior doctors

:01:32.:01:32.

in England. These are not just students

:01:33.:01:34.

leaving medical school, but anyone below consultant

:01:35.:01:38.

or full GP level. That can mean someone

:01:39.:01:40.

with years of experience They are the person

:01:41.:01:42.

that you will see clerking you in

:01:43.:01:48.

when you go into A, they are the person

:01:49.:01:50.

you might see in your GP practice. Often they'll be

:01:51.:01:53.

the person that comes round on the ward

:01:54.:01:55.

round and sees you. They are often also the people that

:01:56.:01:57.

will be doing surgery in theatre, they'll be assisting the consultant

:01:58.:02:00.

when they do operations. The starting salary is just under

:02:01.:02:05.

23,000, but add in over time and unsocial hours, and average pay

:02:06.:02:07.

in the first two years is 36,000. Those in higher training

:02:08.:02:11.

can earn 53,000, rising to 70,000

:02:12.:02:14.

for the most experienced. How does that compare

:02:15.:02:17.

with other jobs? Well, it's hard to measure

:02:18.:02:23.

and depends on where you live. But take average pay for a junior

:02:24.:02:26.

doctor in those first two years. It is more than a teacher

:02:27.:02:29.

or a police officer, but about the same as the starting

:02:30.:02:32.

salary for a banker One big part of this

:02:33.:02:34.

is hours worked. The Government wants to raise

:02:35.:02:40.

basic wages but change the way it pays

:02:41.:02:42.

for extra unsocial hours. At the moment, regular hours are set

:02:43.:02:44.

at seven to seven Monday to Friday, The Government wants to extend

:02:45.:02:48.

those core hours to 10pm in the week and into Saturday

:02:49.:02:54.

for the first time. This contract doesn't seem to value

:02:55.:02:57.

the hard work of junior doctors, and the trouble with that is

:02:58.:03:06.

that the doctors that are working the ones that are working

:03:07.:03:09.

some of the hardest rotas, working through the night,

:03:10.:03:14.

through the weekend et cetera, these are the people that really

:03:15.:03:17.

lose out with this contract. They are the people

:03:18.:03:21.

that this affects most. In the last election,

:03:22.:03:24.

the Conservatives promised But illness doesn't

:03:25.:03:27.

respect working hours. Heart attacks, major accidents,

:03:28.:03:31.

babies, these things don't just

:03:32.:03:33.

come from nine to five. that it's more dangerous to get

:03:34.:03:40.

sick at the weekend. A recent study found the odds

:03:41.:03:45.

of dying in hospital are 10% higher on Saturday

:03:46.:03:47.

or Sunday. But doctors say these changes

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will strip back the safeguards meant to stop

:03:50.:03:51.

them working excessive hours and Junior doctors in England only

:03:52.:03:54.

are on strike until 8am Thursday morning, but this

:03:55.:04:01.

will not affect emergency roles, so A and maternity

:04:02.:04:04.

should run as usual. In a moment we'll be live on a

:04:05.:04:26.

picket line, but first to Norman Smith in Westminster. I get the

:04:27.:04:37.

definite sense the government view is last chance saloon land now. They

:04:38.:04:44.

are saying if the deal is undone by the middle of February, the

:04:45.:04:47.

contracts will just have to be imposed. We are February the 10th at

:04:48.:04:54.

the moment, so you are talking days, maybe a week, maybe a fortnight. But

:04:55.:04:59.

we are reaching the end in this dispute. The government is macro

:05:00.:05:04.

view, why? They need the time to make the administrative personnel

:05:05.:05:10.

and bureaucratic change is good to go in August. That would have to

:05:11.:05:15.

begin by the middle of February. They are saying we are out of time

:05:16.:05:19.

here. If it is not going to be solved, we will just impose it. The

:05:20.:05:24.

government are saying this has now come down to one issue, everything

:05:25.:05:29.

has been sold accepted the issue of Saturdays. And why it is so hard to

:05:30.:05:34.

resolve the issue of Saturdays. It is an issue of sensible for both

:05:35.:05:41.

sides. Mr Hunter's people are saying he is not willing to budge on

:05:42.:05:44.

Saturday, he thinks Saturday should be part of a junior doctors normal

:05:45.:05:51.

working week, because it is part of moving to a seven-day NHS and he

:05:52.:05:55.

will not move on that, that is his bottom line. The junior doctors have

:05:56.:06:00.

to say, there has to be some recognition that Saturdays are

:06:01.:06:03.

different. They are not looking for the full premium rate on Saturdays,

:06:04.:06:07.

but they want some additional pay will stop Jeremy Hunt says I have my

:06:08.:06:12.

manifesto, my Conservative manifesto commitments as my mandate. The

:06:13.:06:19.

junior doctors so we have 98% of our members as our mandate. When you put

:06:20.:06:23.

that together, both sides are stuck on principle and stuck on their

:06:24.:06:27.

mandates. With time pressing, it is hard to see how this will be

:06:28.:06:32.

resolved or whether either side will be blinking. Let's go to our picket

:06:33.:06:44.

line. Here at Milton Keynes it looks like business as usual from where I

:06:45.:06:48.

am standing. But I'm told 70 out patients clinic appointments and 18

:06:49.:06:55.

clinical procedures have been postponed. I spoke to the chief

:06:56.:06:59.

executive here. He said there is disruption, but less than last time.

:07:00.:07:03.

We will continue to keep our patients safe. It is our primary,

:07:04.:07:09.

absolute primary requirement. We will ensure that we use all of the

:07:10.:07:14.

clinical professionals we have to look after the patients. In terms of

:07:15.:07:19.

where the contract is going, we continue to hope there will be a

:07:20.:07:23.

national settlement that will allow our juniors to come back to work,

:07:24.:07:27.

not have any more strikes and we can go on from there. Well, the junior

:07:28.:07:35.

doctors here are picketing around the corner, ten to 12 of them and

:07:36.:07:38.

they are clear, they will not back down until there is a contract they

:07:39.:07:44.

feel is safe and fair. It is very hard to know where this is going to

:07:45.:07:47.

go. The government is suggesting they need to sort this out soon,

:07:48.:07:51.

there needs to be a contract in place ready to go in August with a

:07:52.:07:55.

new set of doctors coming in. The junior doctors right now say it can

:07:56.:08:00.

go ahead. It is hard to know if there will be more strikes. Some

:08:01.:08:05.

juniors have said they will walk out of England, go and work elsewhere,

:08:06.:08:09.

where they say are better working conditions. Thank you very much.

:08:10.:08:11.

So how is today's strike action affecting patients?

:08:12.:08:14.

John Fitzgerald's 15-year-old son James, has had his dental surgery

:08:15.:08:16.

cancelled because of the strike, he's in Southampton.

:08:17.:08:18.

And here in the studio we have Dr Roshana Mehdian a junior doctor

:08:19.:08:21.

in trauma and orthopaedic surgery, who is on strike.

:08:22.:08:25.

Welcome both of you. John Fitzgerald, tell the doctor about

:08:26.:08:34.

the operation your son was supposed to have today? He was expecting a

:08:35.:08:39.

routine surgical operation on his two front teeth. It is an operation

:08:40.:08:44.

that should have taken place last autumn. He was initially put for a

:08:45.:08:54.

referral in the summer 2014. So he has been waiting a long time for

:08:55.:08:58.

this operation. When you found out it was to be cancelled because of

:08:59.:09:02.

the strike, how did you react, how did he react? It has had an impact

:09:03.:09:10.

on him. Clearly, there is some uncertainty after what will happen

:09:11.:09:13.

when he has the operation. My concern primarily has been that we

:09:14.:09:19.

haven't been able to find out from the hospital, how much longer we are

:09:20.:09:24.

going to have to wait. They have told us with the backlog from

:09:25.:09:27.

previous strikes and current circumstances at the hospital, they

:09:28.:09:31.

are not in a position to rearrange the surgery. What do you think of

:09:32.:09:38.

the strike action? I personally think it sets a very dangerous

:09:39.:09:42.

precedent. I think the doctors are being short-sighted. They seem to be

:09:43.:09:50.

placing themselves as more value than... Than the patients. What do

:09:51.:09:59.

you say to John? The first thing I want to say is no doctor, including

:10:00.:10:03.

myself and my colleagues, take strike action lightly. It is

:10:04.:10:11.

unprecedented, in 40 years there hasn't been a strike like it. Apart

:10:12.:10:16.

from the one in January, this is the second time now. Of course, but

:10:17.:10:21.

strikes like this haven't occurred for 40 years. You can see the

:10:22.:10:24.

strength of feeling in junior doctors. The first thing I would

:10:25.:10:30.

like to say to you Mr Fitzgerald, I am sorry. I am sorry on behalf of

:10:31.:10:34.

myself and on behalf of the junior doc is you are striking today. We

:10:35.:10:40.

would much rather be at work. The reason we are doing this is because

:10:41.:10:44.

we can see in the future, a real danger to our patients. It is

:10:45.:10:49.

incredibly dangerous to bring this contract in for numerous reasons,

:10:50.:10:53.

but one of a main reasons is we are seeing some of the lowest staffing

:10:54.:10:59.

levels of doctors for many decades. And when there are so few doctors

:11:00.:11:03.

and they are so overstretched, we cannot afford a contract that will

:11:04.:11:08.

lead to a further exodus of doctors. It is a long-term issue, we cannot

:11:09.:11:13.

afford it to happen and we will safeguard against it for the

:11:14.:11:16.

patients. Clearly, there is a stalemate. But I think the issue is

:11:17.:11:23.

that it is wrong to affect the patients. That is where the

:11:24.:11:30.

situation is going very much wrong. It is really regrettable, and we

:11:31.:11:36.

apologise for any difficulty it has caused our patients. The Jeremy Hunt

:11:37.:11:43.

had a very clear opportunity to end this in January. He had a contract

:11:44.:11:48.

on the table agreed by all sides, which he personally vetoed. He could

:11:49.:11:53.

have ended this then, we don't want to be here, but he has back doors

:11:54.:11:59.

into a corner. Mr Fitzgerald, who do you hold responsible for the strike,

:12:00.:12:08.

the doctors or Jeremy Hunt? It is difficult for the man in the street

:12:09.:12:11.

to understand the rights and wrongs of this. I do believe that Jeremy

:12:12.:12:16.

Hunt has the right aspirations. However, I am not close enough to

:12:17.:12:22.

know the real concerns of the doctors. But, whoever is right, I

:12:23.:12:28.

think this should be managed away from the coal face and not affecting

:12:29.:12:39.

people who need the medical service. I would actually agree, the

:12:40.:12:44.

aspirations to improve care are the right aspirations. They are the

:12:45.:12:50.

aspirations doctors hold and have always held. That is why health care

:12:51.:12:54.

has improved the decades, we have put a lot of work into that. Our

:12:55.:13:00.

concern is, the contract Jeremy Hunt is proposing, his proposals have

:13:01.:13:04.

been done in the wrong way, I am afraid. 98% of junior doctors, the

:13:05.:13:12.

Scottish and wealth governments, patient associations and all the

:13:13.:13:15.

other health care associations have said this is not the right way to go

:13:16.:13:19.

about it. It needs to be done differently. That is what we're

:13:20.:13:22.

asking, for him to work with us, against us. We are hearing from

:13:23.:13:28.

Norman Smith, sources close to Jeremy Hunt, this morning, time is

:13:29.:13:33.

running out, you have a few days to sort this out, possibly a week at

:13:34.:13:37.

the most. If there is no resolution, he will impose these contracts are

:13:38.:13:43.

new idea or two? If he imposes this contract, he personally will be

:13:44.:13:46.

responsible for one of the most dangerous things that has ever

:13:47.:13:48.

happened in the National Health Service. Some people don't

:13:49.:13:55.

understand why you are saying it is dangerous? They understand the issue

:13:56.:13:58.

at Saturday, whether it is treated as a normal day whether you get the

:13:59.:14:02.

premium paid, how does that equal danger? I would like to explain

:14:03.:14:08.

that. At the moment, and actually I think it was one of the headlines in

:14:09.:14:13.

the newspapers today, there is an exodus of junior doctors, it has

:14:14.:14:16.

been going on for years. The problem we have at the moment, doctors,

:14:17.:14:23.

after a few years are working in the National Health Service and many of

:14:24.:14:27.

them leave. It is up to 50% at the moment. If you have an exodus of

:14:28.:14:31.

junior doctors and you cannot safely stuff the rotors, I deal with it

:14:32.:14:36.

daily in my job, I am often having to deal with understaffed rosters.

:14:37.:14:42.

It is a direct danger to my patients. If more people leave and a

:14:43.:14:49.

survey came out today, 80% of junior doctors will consider resignation if

:14:50.:14:52.

this contract comes in. If more people leave and are stretched more

:14:53.:14:56.

thinly over a seven-day service, that doesn't need as many doc is at

:14:57.:15:02.

the weekend, that is stretching doctors and it is going to affect

:15:03.:15:07.

patient safety like many other factors. Are you saying it is

:15:08.:15:13.

nothing to do with the money when it comes to a Saturday? Hand on heart,

:15:14.:15:16.

it is not about the overtime payments you currently receive the

:15:17.:15:22.

working Saturdays? It is multifactorial. Leading into the

:15:23.:15:26.

discussion I was having with you about the junior doctors and the

:15:27.:15:31.

value they should have, the work, life balance they should be

:15:32.:15:37.

afforded. Ultimately, it is a stressful job and we need to be able

:15:38.:15:40.

to have the downtime to be able to do our work correctly. If you need

:15:41.:15:46.

more doctors at the weekend and more services, you have to fund it. You

:15:47.:15:50.

cannot stretch doctors more, the same amount of doctors, stretched

:15:51.:15:53.

further will be dangerous. Let me read some comments. Jeannette

:15:54.:16:04.

on e-mail serves the public should join our doctors to fight all stop

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we have one of the best medical services in the world. Val says a

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couple of years ago we had a junior doctor lodging in my attic room. She

:16:20.:16:23.

used to crawl up the stairs with rests every now and then. John has

:16:24.:16:28.

text that is a junior doctors griping about their working hours

:16:29.:16:32.

and pay, that is cute, soldiers on the front line get a pittance in

:16:33.:16:35.

comparison and put their lives on the line, I have no sympathy for

:16:36.:16:41.

them, get over it. This text says I would rather have my doctor not

:16:42.:16:50.

running on empty. I have a long-term health condition. Steve says they

:16:51.:16:54.

expect the peasants to work in food stores for their convenience.

:16:55.:16:59.

There is that expectation that you are fighting against what everyone

:17:00.:17:04.

else does in their working life. I am working a 48 hour shift this

:17:05.:17:08.

weekend and I'm working all week and I will work all of next week, so

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that is a misconception. I work weekends and nights. I have done for

:17:14.:17:21.

many years. Thank you for coming on the programme. Dr Roshana Mehdian

:17:22.:17:23.

and John Fitzgerald, thanks for your time.

:17:24.:17:29.

We will look at why people are not attracted to teaching jobs.

:17:30.:17:43.

Government sources say if a deal isn't reached with junior doctors

:17:44.:17:47.

in England by the middle of this month then a new contract

:17:48.:17:50.

A second strike is taking place as part of the dispute

:17:51.:17:54.

Nearly 3000 operations have been cancelled as a result

:17:55.:17:57.

Only emergency care will be carried out.

:17:58.:18:01.

We will continue to keep our patients safe here. We are very

:18:02.:18:07.

clear that that is our absolute primary requirement. We will ensure

:18:08.:18:13.

that we use all the clinical professionals we have to look after

:18:14.:18:14.

our patients. The family of the murdered

:18:15.:18:16.

schoolgirl Milly Dowler have spoken of the "torment and pain" they have

:18:17.:18:18.

been through since her killer Levi Bellfield finally gave police

:18:19.:18:21.

details of his crimes. In a statement they said

:18:22.:18:24.

they hoped her soul could finally The 13-year-old was killed

:18:25.:18:26.

after being abducted on her walk Donald Trump has scored a major

:18:27.:18:30.

victory in his bid to become the next US President after winning

:18:31.:18:43.

the backing of Republicans The Democrat Bernie Sanders

:18:44.:18:45.

who was the outsider managed to beat his main rival

:18:46.:18:49.

Hillary Clinton by more He said his victory showed people

:18:50.:18:59.

wanted real change. Both candidates are riding on a wave of discontent

:19:00.:19:05.

with mainstream politics. Thank you, New Hampshire, now it is

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on to Nevada, South Carolina and beyond.

:19:11.:19:14.

We are going to make America so great again. Maybe greater than ever

:19:15.:19:16.

before. Investigators in southern Germany

:19:17.:19:18.

are trying to establish what caused a head-on crash between two

:19:19.:19:21.

commuter trains on Tuesday, The black box recorders from both

:19:22.:19:23.

trains are being examined. German media are reporting that

:19:24.:19:26.

human error is considered the most likely cause of the

:19:27.:19:28.

accident. Teacher shortages in England

:19:29.:19:33.

are growing after recruitment targets were missed

:19:34.:19:35.

for the fourth year running. The National Audit Office says more

:19:36.:19:38.

and more secondary school pupils are being taught by teachers

:19:39.:19:41.

who don't have a degree Two international tennis umpires

:19:42.:19:44.

have been secretly banned, one of them for life,

:19:45.:19:50.

for corrupt activities last year. An investigation by The Guardian

:19:51.:19:54.

newspaper also reveals that another four officials have been suspended

:19:55.:19:57.

whilst they're investigated. The bans centre on a scam

:19:58.:20:00.

in which umpires deliberately delay posting live scores after each point

:20:01.:20:04.

- allowing gamblers to place bets Those are the main news headlines.

:20:05.:20:29.

Now the sport's headlines. We have a few stories in the world

:20:30.:20:34.

of sport. We are talking about ticket prices because supporters

:20:35.:20:37.

groups say there is no need to charge such high prices. 10,000

:20:38.:20:42.

Liverpool fans walked out of Anfield last Saturday at a protest in the

:20:43.:20:45.

potential rise in the cost of tickets, despite Premier League

:20:46.:20:50.

clubs cash windfall of over ?8 billion in TV money over the coming

:20:51.:20:52.

season. The mood did not get much better for

:20:53.:20:56.

Liverpool fans last night, their team knocked out of the FA Cup by

:20:57.:21:01.

West Ham. Angelo Ogbonna's dramatic header winning the game in the dying

:21:02.:21:06.

seconds of the game. They will face Blackburn in the last 16.

:21:07.:21:12.

Trevor Bayliss has admitted he has never seen Liam Dawson play after he

:21:13.:21:16.

was named in the squad for next month's world T20 in India. There is

:21:17.:21:26.

-- he has also revealed a recall for Kevin Pietersen was never discussed.

:21:27.:21:30.

Jessica Ennis-Hill's coach has said he will not put any pressure on her

:21:31.:21:34.

to compete in Rio if she is concerned about the Zika virus. He

:21:35.:21:39.

has called for the Team GB preparation camp to be moved out of

:21:40.:21:41.

Brazil. That is all the sport, now back to

:21:42.:21:45.

the news. Thank you.

:21:46.:21:51.

Relatives of three victims of the Birmingham pub bombings

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will ask a coroner later today to resume an inquest

:21:55.:21:56.

into their deaths - more than 40 years after

:21:57.:21:58.

21 people died and 182 were hurt in the blasts which were thought

:21:59.:22:02.

to have been carried out by Irish republicans.

:22:03.:22:04.

An inquest was opened days after the attack but closed

:22:05.:22:06.

because of a criminal investigation, which led to the convictions

:22:07.:22:09.

They were freed 16 years later when an appeal court

:22:10.:22:13.

Our correspondent Phil Mackie is in Solihull where the hearing

:22:14.:22:18.

I think it is worth first of all just reminding our audience, because

:22:19.:22:31.

some people are young and will not necessarily know the details, what

:22:32.:22:34.

happened after eight o'clock that evening on the 21st of November

:22:35.:22:39.

1974? I think even if you were young at the time like I was, you would

:22:40.:22:44.

remember that particular night. It was November 1974, it was a wet

:22:45.:22:48.

night in Birmingham. It was payday and a lot of people had packed two

:22:49.:22:54.

city centre pubs. They were basement pubs so when the dorms went off they

:22:55.:22:59.

created devastation. They were the Tavern in the Town and the Mulberry

:23:00.:23:05.

Bush. Police said there were warnings received but there was not

:23:06.:23:09.

enough time to get people out of the pubs. There was carnage and a lot of

:23:10.:23:13.

damage was caused when the bombs went off. It was always assumed,

:23:14.:23:19.

because it was at the height of the Troubles, this was an atrocity

:23:20.:23:23.

carried out by Irish republicans. The provisional IRA leadership

:23:24.:23:27.

always flatly denied it had anything to do with it. Six men who became

:23:28.:23:32.

known as the Birmingham six were convicted at a criminal trial. Their

:23:33.:23:37.

convictions have since been quashed. West Midlands Police have gone back

:23:38.:23:40.

to the evidence to see if they could bring further prosecutions, first of

:23:41.:23:45.

all after the update -- appeals were upheld in 1991. A couple of years

:23:46.:23:51.

ago there was a two-year enquiry between 2012 and 2014. West Midlands

:23:52.:23:55.

Police said there was not enough evidence for a criminal prosecution.

:23:56.:23:58.

This means this is the last chance relatives will get to hear some of

:23:59.:24:03.

that evidence, submerged since 1974, which could not be heard them. They

:24:04.:24:14.

are asking the coroner to consider reopening the inquest that began 34

:24:15.:24:17.

years ago. Maxine Hambleton was one of those who died during the pub

:24:18.:24:21.

bombings. Her sister has campaigned for the inquest is to be reopened

:24:22.:24:24.

and she campaigned on the steps today.

:24:25.:24:29.

We have been left in the dark for many, many years and we believe

:24:30.:24:33.

that all the victims' families who have

:24:34.:24:34.

lost loved ones, deserve the right to know the truth.

:24:35.:24:37.

Whilst we understand it's not a mechanism to prosecute,

:24:38.:24:40.

it rather opens the opportunity to look at surrounding circumstances.

:24:41.:24:45.

For instance, why did it happen, when

:24:46.:24:47.

did it happen, what happened afterwards?

:24:48.:24:51.

On the basis of that, we would be able to ask our own

:24:52.:24:58.

questions and our legal team would be able to ask questions

:24:59.:25:01.

we probably haven't even thought of, but would

:25:02.:25:04.

provide us with answers that could bring is a level of peace.

:25:05.:25:15.

I wonder, is there anyone who will oppose the reopening of such

:25:16.:25:24.

inquests? We understand that both the Police Federation and West

:25:25.:25:27.

Midlands Police will do just that. We have not heard their submissions

:25:28.:25:31.

yet so I do not know on what basis they will say it should not be open.

:25:32.:25:38.

The very start, at the preliminary session, Louise Hunt spoke to the

:25:39.:25:41.

lawyer representing West Midlands Police and she asked if there is

:25:42.:25:44.

still a criminal case on going. They said yes, it has never completely

:25:45.:25:51.

closed. What they have said is, it is not alive criminal investigation

:25:52.:25:55.

as people would understand it, they are always looking for new evidence.

:25:56.:26:00.

They say since 2014, they have looked at three significant pieces

:26:01.:26:04.

which they are considering at the moment. Louise Hunt also asked for a

:26:05.:26:07.

list of evidence which has been lost, including a third bomb which

:26:08.:26:16.

did not go off. Ashley Underwood QC began his submissions. He said the

:26:17.:26:20.

Birmingham pub bombings were the most horrific mass murder in living

:26:21.:26:24.

memory. They were followed by the most serious miscarriage of justice

:26:25.:26:28.

in living memory and he told Louise Hunt that there is a compelling case

:26:29.:26:32.

for the resumption because of a substantial amount of new evidence

:26:33.:26:37.

which has come to light since the original criminal investigations.

:26:38.:26:40.

Coroners normally have to simply decide how, when or where someone

:26:41.:26:45.

has died and confirm their identity. We know those facts but they also

:26:46.:26:48.

allowed to investigate the circumstances of the death. That is

:26:49.:27:03.

what has been going on in the Hillsborough inquests. That is what

:27:04.:27:05.

the families hope Louise Hunt will decide should happen here. Thank

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you. Good morning, if you've just tuned

:27:07.:27:09.

in - still to come before 11.00... Targets to recruit new teachers

:27:10.:27:12.

have been missed for This is just in. In response to the

:27:13.:27:29.

BMA's decision to go ahead with industrial action, it is extremely

:27:30.:27:35.

disappointing. We have listened and worked hard to address the BMA's

:27:36.:27:41.

confirms. We now need to see the will to compromise, with a focus on

:27:42.:27:44.

resolution rather than strike action. Patients should not suffer

:27:45.:27:48.

in a dispute over pay. We will continue to talk with the BMA to

:27:49.:27:50.

agree a contract which is fair and The Republican billionaire,

:27:51.:27:57.

Donald Trump and and the left-wing Democrat, Bernie Sanders have

:27:58.:28:02.

convincingly won the primaries Mr Trump got twice as many votes

:28:03.:28:04.

as his nearest rival, while Mr Sanders beat

:28:05.:28:08.

Hillary Clinton by more Lets take a look at the two men

:28:09.:28:10.

and some of the promises they've been making on their race

:28:11.:28:14.

for the White House. Thank you, New Hampshire.

:28:15.:28:27.

We are going to do something so good and so fast and so strong and the

:28:28.:28:33.

world is going to respect us again. The wealthiest people in the largest

:28:34.:28:38.

corporations in this country will start paying their fair share of

:28:39.:28:44.

taxes. Congratulations to Bernie, in all

:28:45.:28:48.

fairness, we have to congratulate him. We may not like it. We must

:28:49.:28:54.

hold the billionaire class in the 1% that they cannot have it all.

:28:55.:28:59.

He wants to give away our country, folks. We are not going to let it

:29:00.:29:04.

happen. We are going to impose a tax on Wall

:29:05.:29:09.

Street speculation. We are going to rebuild our

:29:10.:29:15.

military. It will be so big, so strong, so powerful.

:29:16.:29:20.

We will make public colleges and universities tuition free.

:29:21.:29:26.

I am going to be the greatest jobs president that God ever created.

:29:27.:29:33.

Given the enormous crises facing our country, it is just too late for the

:29:34.:29:41.

same old, same old establishment politics.

:29:42.:29:44.

We have political hacks negotiating our deals for billions and billions

:29:45.:29:48.

and billions of dollars. Not going to happen any more.

:29:49.:29:57.

We are going now to South Carolina. We are going to win in South

:29:58.:30:00.

Carolina! Now it is on to Nevada, South

:30:01.:30:04.

Carolina and beyond! CHEERING

:30:05.:30:10.

Let's talk to Gary O'Donoghue in New Hampshire. 20 percentage points for

:30:11.:30:23.

Donald Trump and a little bit more for Bernie Sanders. The gaps was

:30:24.:30:30.

smaller than that on average. It is a good night, particularly for

:30:31.:30:34.

Donald Trump because he took a beating in Iowa last night. Expected

:30:35.:30:38.

to come first and didn't. He has bounced back, he is the comeback kid

:30:39.:30:44.

in New Hampshire. Ernie Sanders was absolutely no work this time last

:30:45.:30:51.

year. -- nowhere. Dozens and dozens of points behind Hillary Clinton. He

:30:52.:30:55.

has built this grassroots campaign and has amazing support amongst the

:30:56.:31:03.

young. 89% supporting this 80 odd-year-old senator from Vermont.

:31:04.:31:08.

The big dilemma on the Republican side of the established parties, who

:31:09.:31:17.

will they be able to fine to take on Donald Trump? There was nobody in

:31:18.:31:22.

the pack, Jed Bush nor Marco Rubio showing any signs of breaking out

:31:23.:31:28.

and challenging Donald Trump's popularity. Why do the Republicans

:31:29.:31:32.

want to try to find somebody to challenge his popularity? They don't

:31:33.:31:37.

like him and they thing he cannot win in the general election in

:31:38.:31:41.

November. If you look at Donald Trump's numbers in terms of the

:31:42.:31:45.

general population, approval ratings when you ask everyone as opposed to

:31:46.:31:51.

party members, you get 60 odd percent of disapproval ratings and

:31:52.:31:55.

you cannot win the White House with those ratings. Donald Trump will

:31:56.:32:00.

argue he managed to change minds in the Republican party, I will do it

:32:01.:32:04.

to the general electorate. The Republicans don't like him, they

:32:05.:32:08.

don't think they can win with him, they don't like his brand of

:32:09.:32:12.

demagoguery, and they want someone who is more of a mainstream brand.

:32:13.:32:20.

The demographics are against them, the Latina population is growing in

:32:21.:32:24.

the United States, the black population is growing and they are

:32:25.:32:26.

not doing enough to attract those people to the party. Donald Trump

:32:27.:32:32.

comes along, what does he do? He suggests everyone who comes across

:32:33.:32:35.

the board from Mexico might be a drug dealer or a rapist. Gary

:32:36.:32:38.

O'Donoghue, thank you. Let's talk to Professor Sarah

:32:39.:32:40.

Churchwell How do you read this at this stage,

:32:41.:32:51.

because there is a long way to go? Yes, I wouldn't disagree with

:32:52.:32:54.

anything Gary has said. A couple of things for people to bear in mind,

:32:55.:33:00.

New Hampshire is a small state. One of the things worrying the many

:33:01.:33:03.

others, I am not Donald Trump supporter. Are you a Republican?

:33:04.:33:17.

Not, not likely ever. The point is, he has so far done well with less

:33:18.:33:21.

well educated and hasn't done as well with well-educated people. New

:33:22.:33:25.

Hampshire is a well-educated state. One of the indicators from people

:33:26.:33:30.

who don't like Donald Trump find worrying is he is getting better

:33:31.:33:34.

among well-educated people, and that is the shift. Gary use the word

:33:35.:33:39.

demagoguery, and that is the right word. He is a loose cannon, he's not

:33:40.:33:46.

an established figure. The establishment want to anoint Jed

:33:47.:33:49.

Bush, but he is not tracking with the public. Now they have this dark

:33:50.:33:54.

horse, loose Cannon and they don't know what to do with him. They

:33:55.:33:57.

cannot control him and they don't like that. And as Gary said, he is

:33:58.:34:04.

absolutely reviled by a great proportion of the American

:34:05.:34:08.

electorate, so whether he can win the election, he is popular among

:34:09.:34:11.

Republicans, that is a different thing. Why is Bernie Sanders on the

:34:12.:34:18.

left, on the left of the Democrats are well, so popular with young

:34:19.:34:23.

women? For all of Bernie Sanders' and Trump's differences, they are

:34:24.:34:29.

antiestablishment figures. Bernie Sanders is showing young women are

:34:30.:34:34.

voting along economic lines. There is no way you can draw any other

:34:35.:34:38.

conclusions. Some see that as a betrayal of their own gender,

:34:39.:34:44.

feminism. Madeline Albright said there is a special place in hell for

:34:45.:34:49.

women who don't support other women. Some say it is trying for women

:34:50.:34:53.

because they don't have to go to along gender lines because I a

:34:54.:34:59.

citizen. You can see strong parallels between the generational

:35:00.:35:02.

concerns of young people in America and the generational concerns of

:35:03.:35:06.

young people in Britain, they are voting along similar lines. Jeremy

:35:07.:35:13.

Corbyn's popularity here in Great Britain and Ernie Sanders'

:35:14.:35:23.

popularity in America. What has Hillary Clinton got to do, she's not

:35:24.:35:30.

uninspired speaker, what has she got to do? If I knew that, Hillary

:35:31.:35:34.

Clinton would be paying me millions of dollars to answer it. It is still

:35:35.:35:38.

early and things are shifting. Usually the prime -- primary is have

:35:39.:35:53.

a clear winner quickly. But Hillary Clinton has more delicate than

:35:54.:35:59.

Sanders has. We're talking about two states, neither which is a

:36:00.:36:04.

representative of America generally. We need a better sense of how they

:36:05.:36:12.

are going. My own sense, which may be biased, because Hillary Clinton

:36:13.:36:16.

is the most centrist of these candidates, by far the most

:36:17.:36:21.

experienced. Sanders is a long-standing senator, but she has

:36:22.:36:25.

the foreign policy. He hasn't made any statement yet on foreign policy

:36:26.:36:31.

and that will work against him with a more general and centrist voters.

:36:32.:36:43.

The primary 's are among the most... One of the results in New Hampshire

:36:44.:36:45.

last night was interesting is Sanders picked up some independence.

:36:46.:36:51.

Hillary Clinton is going to gain more traction because she is a

:36:52.:36:55.

centrist candidate and the people who are worried by what they view as

:36:56.:37:00.

the extremism on the left of Sanders and the extremism on the right of

:37:01.:37:05.

Trump, will choose the middle. People are angry about the idea of a

:37:06.:37:12.

dynasty. They don't want more Clintons and they don't want more of

:37:13.:37:24.

the Bush family. It is way too early. Thank you very much.

:37:25.:37:32.

Teacher shortages in England are growing.

:37:33.:37:35.

And the Government has been warned that recruitment targets have been

:37:36.:37:38.

The National Audit Office says ministers don't have enough

:37:39.:37:41.

information to understand local pressures - resulting in more

:37:42.:37:43.

secondary school pupils being taught by teachers who don't have a degree

:37:44.:37:46.

It found a doubling from half a percent to 1.2% of vacancies

:37:47.:37:50.

and temporary filled positions in the teaching workforce

:37:51.:37:53.

In poorer areas, some 54% of leaders in schools with a large proportion

:37:54.:37:59.

of disadvantaged pupils say attracting and keeping

:38:00.:38:01.

good teachers is a major problem, compared with 33%

:38:02.:38:06.

?700 million is spent annually on teacher training

:38:07.:38:18.

but the Department for Education is said to have a weak understanding

:38:19.:38:20.

of the extent of local teacher supply shortages.

:38:21.:38:27.

So how should the government be tackling teacher training?

:38:28.:38:30.

chairman of the Education Select Committee,

:38:31.:38:34.

Vic Goddard, Headteacher at Passmores Academy

:38:35.:38:37.

and star of Channel 4's Educating Essex and Moses Kabba,

:38:38.:38:39.

a deputy head teacher from West London.

:38:40.:38:46.

Thank you all very much for talking to us. Neill Carmichael, what are

:38:47.:38:55.

you going to do? Have an enquiry on the education select committee. Our

:38:56.:39:02.

issues include the complexities that are emerging about the routes into

:39:03.:39:05.

teaching. One of the things I will be putting the spotlight on is the

:39:06.:39:12.

new college are teaching which is designed to be a professional body

:39:13.:39:16.

to represent teaching and encourage professional development. That will

:39:17.:39:21.

not affect teacher shortages now. I don't know if you have got

:39:22.:39:25.

teenagers, but if you had a 15-year-old being taught physics by

:39:26.:39:31.

a teacher who only had an A-level in physics, would you be happy with

:39:32.:39:34.

that? I have got teenagers, and they did do physics. I bet they weren't

:39:35.:39:40.

taught by somebody who only had an A-level in physics? Correct, they

:39:41.:39:47.

weren't. The report does talk about specific areas and specific

:39:48.:39:50.

subjects. That is what we have got to worry about. There is evidence in

:39:51.:39:55.

certain parts of the country where results are not good, where the

:39:56.:40:00.

reputation of schools is not high, recruitment is difficult and

:40:01.:40:03.

retention is also a problem. We have to define that more carefully and I

:40:04.:40:12.

think there needs to be more information on this. Do you think

:40:13.:40:17.

there is a serious problem and not necessarily many people know what to

:40:18.:40:19.

do right now? The problem didn't appear just this year. Four years of

:40:20.:40:28.

missed targets, I wish I could miss four years of missed targets and

:40:29.:40:32.

keep my job. I rely on overseas trained staff. We are not fully

:40:33.:40:36.

staffed and haven't been until September. As much as Mr Carmichael

:40:37.:40:42.

would like to say about the value of my school, they don't want to work

:40:43.:40:49.

in this area, it is a challenge because of the proximity to London.

:40:50.:40:53.

In difficult schools, it is difficult to recruit, that is not

:40:54.:40:58.

just where it is, it is in all schools around the country, in

:40:59.:41:02.

certain subjects, we cannot recruit. Moses, have you got the full

:41:03.:41:07.

complement of teachers at your school? It is interesting my

:41:08.:41:12.

colleague has the same problems. We have a shortage in maths, shortage

:41:13.:41:16.

in science and geography and modern foreign-language us. We have

:41:17.:41:22.

students taking their year 11 GCSE exams without a subject specialist

:41:23.:41:26.

person delivering them. It is a shame cause one of the things you a

:41:27.:41:32.

last meal is what he was going to do about it. He seems way off the mark.

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Rather than the government tackling social factors around the schools,

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they are using education as a tool to accelerate progress when teachers

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are not there. What do you mean? In the respect of their is a teacher

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shortage. Yes, it is difficult to place them, what are the factors

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around that? They are throwing more money at teacher training programmes

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then the issue is why can't teachers coming into the profession and why

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aren't they staying in the first place first remark the subject my

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colleagues just mentioned, the English baccalaureate subjects are

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the key. We are made more accountable the subjects that we

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cannot recruit teachers for so be accountability is important, but I

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cannot recruit teachers, so they don't net. Neill Carmichael, do you

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accept that and we back of when it comes to making schools accountable

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for those subjects? We look at the league tables and the consequences

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of them which do drive recruitment and retention. They are right...

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Briefly if you would... In mathematics, we know there are

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shortage which, it is a general shortage in science, engineering and

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maths. We do need to develop subjects and give more leadership to

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those subjects, so the people feel more attuned with the idea of

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teaching those subjects. It is one of the things bigger and better

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multi-Academy Trust 's will be able to do because there is more depth

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and breadth in the subject areas of teachers. I know both my guests want

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to come back and that is, but we are sorry we will return to the subject.

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I want to thank you all for your time. Thanks for coming on the

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programme. Good luck. A Department for Education spokesman

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said the reality on the ground cats are ready to take part in

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the ultimate claw down -

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