08/06/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

Our top story today, calls for voter registration to be

extended after the website crashed last night due to

At Westminster red faces and ranker amid calls for emergency legislation

to extend the period for voter registration. This after angry

clashes in last night's television debate.

We need to be in this organisation fighting for British interests and

for British jobs. Leaving is quitting. I don't think Britain, I

don't think we're quitters. I think we're fighters. We fight in these

organisations for what we think is right. I'm sorry. We're British,

we're better than that. We're not going to be bullied by the

unelected, charming show he maybe junk. Forget it.

-- Claude Juncker. Also on the programme,

an 11-year-old girl with a neurological disability,

handcuffed, put in leg restraints and her head covered with a mesh bag

by British police officers. Her mother says her

treatment was vile. The use of spit hoods, it shouldn't

be used on children. And certainly not on disabled

children who aren't in control When I saw her with one

on it was horrific. I'll never get the image

out of my mind. There is just absolutely no excuse

for spit hooding children. The head of the group that bought

BHS for ?1 will appear before MPs shortly. We will bring you the

details. Later in the programme, we'll bring

you an interview with race walker Tom Bosworth who has now qualified

for the Rio Olympics having just missed out

on qualification for London 2012. You may remember Tom came out

on this programme as gay last year. Do get in touch on all the stories

we're talking about this morning. Use the hashtag Victoria

Live and if you text, you will be charged

at the standard network rate. There are calls for voter

registration for the EU referendum to be extended after the official

website suffered serious technical problems in the run up

to last night's deadline. The Government is looking at whether

it is legally possible to extend the deadline after what was described as

unprecedented demand in the run-up to the midnight deadline.

David Cameron and Nigel Farage were subjected to tough

questioning on the EU referendum from a television

One Conservative voter accused the Prime Minister of failing

to honour his promise to curb immigration, while the UKIP leader

Our political correspondent Chris Mason watched the exchanges.

Tonight, as the arguments intensify...

Arguably the two most famous faces on either side of the argument,

I think it was very bad, wrong of us, to turn our backs

on the Commonwealth in favour of the European political project

You use scaremongering and inflammatory comments

in your campaign that have gone against people that look non-white.

If we have an Australian-style points system rather than an open

door to 500 million people, then actually it would be

Half an hour later, it was the Prime Minister's turn.

I voted for you in the last election because one of the things

in your manifesto was to get immigration down.

You haven't been able to do that because you aren't

The biggest risk we can take is to pull out of the EU,

the single market, damage our businesses and jobs

and there would be fewer opportunities for our

I hope when people go to vote on 23rd June they think

about their children and grandchildren, they think

about them and opportunities they want for them and the sort of

Yes, it was an hour of passion, anger and irritation from those

putting the questions, but soon it was over.

Welcome to what is known as the "spin room".

Politicians and political advisers speak to journalists

and try to convince us that their man won.

And yes, both sides claimed their side was victorious,

but neither seemed to manage a knock-out blow.

And our Political guru Norman Smith is in Westminster.

What are they going to do about the voters registration shambles? The IT

boffins at the Cabinet Office are probably being beaten about the head

at the moment as to why this happened! Everyone has been abelg to

people particularly young people to make sure they're registered and lo

and behold people did try and make sure they are registered. 500,000

people tried to register yesterday in one five minute period, 50,000

people tried to register. What happened, smoke pretty much came out

of the computer! Here is the website now. It is up and running now. It

wasn't yesterday. And there is a consensus that the deadline is going

to have to be extended. Simple as that. The Labour Party said they

want it extended. The Liberal Democrats say they want it extended

and the Scottish National Party say it has got to be extended. Folk in

Government say, we are looking at it, we are trying to work out what

the legal implications are. Under the 2015 referendum conduct Act,

when the clock strikes midnight bong, that's it! Time is up. So the

question is, how do you get round that? Tim Farron, the Lib Dem leader

is suggesting the way to get around that, is to rush through emergency

legislation. It is not as big a deal as it might sound, it can be done

quickly if everyone is in agreement, and as far as I can see everyone is

in agreement. There is another reason, I suspect, why some on the

Remain side are desperate for the extension to the deadline because

there is a view most of those signing up yesterday were probably

young folk because certainly I think the Smith girls, they do everything

at the last minute, rush, rush, there is only five seconds to go,

there is never a plan, it was probably young folk who didn't sign

up and the fear of the Remain side, that's going to hit them harder.

Listen to Tim Farron. If the vote is close in either direction it will

leave a cloud of uncertainty and of illegitimacy over the outcome. The

last thing we want is for the outcome of the referendum to be

unclear. Win or lose, it won't be a draw, we might end up in a situation

where this becomes a draw because the margin of victory could be

smaller than the number of people excluded because of a technical

glitch. Vic, to cut to the chase, where we are the world and his wife

at Westminster think it is a shambles and something must be done

about it. I suspect some sort of legal way will be found to satisfy

them and to ensure the deadline can be extended by 24 hours or so. One

other thing to say, Tim Farron asked for a statement in Parliament on

this, I would think he will get that, unless Mr Cameron is going to

raise it himself at Prime Minister's Questions.

Thank you very much, Norman, cheers for now. Thank you.

We will try and bring you some facts, yes, some FACTS when it comes

to making up your mind when it comes to voting in the referendum. We have

two impassion organisations. They will explain why they feel they are

impartial and hopefully they will give you facts. I'm on the edge of

my seat, I don't know about tu! Joanna has the rest of the news. I'm

looking forward to that! The team who took over BHS

before its collapse last week will give evidence to MPs

on the Work and Pensions The 88-year-old company was bought

by Dominic Chappell from Sir Philip Green

for a pound last year. Administrators confirmed last

Thursday that a buyer hadn't been found for the retailer,

meaning 163 stores would close President Obama has congratulated

Hillary Clinton on making history by becoming the first woman

to become a major party's nominee Mrs Clinton had a good night

in the last big round of primaries, polling strongly against her rival

Bernie Sanders. He is now under pressure

to quit the race. Barring any unforeseen events

at the Republican Party convention, the former First Lady will be up

against Donald Trump "All men are created

equal" says America's That has sounded dated

for a very long time, and yet it's only now,

240 years on, that it may be about to change,

thanks to this woman. Thanks to you, we've

reached a milestone. The first time in our nation's

history that a woman will be But, as her rivals point

out, Mrs Clinton is one of the most unpopular presidential candidates

since polling began. This is shaping up to be

the bitterest of battles. We can't solve our problems

by counting on the politicians The Clintons' have turned

the politics of personal enrichment Her place in history

assured, Hillary Clinton "To every little girl

who dreams big," she said, "yes, you can be anything

you want, even president." Mrs Clinton could become

the first First Lady to move in to what was once her

husband's Oval Office. The police watchdog has

criticised the Sussex force for using handcuffs,

leg restraints and a so-called spit-hood on an 11-year-old girl

with a severe mental disability. The girl was also detained by police

without the presence The Independent Police Complaints

Commission says 11 officers have a case to answer for misconduct

over the treatment of the girl, who was detained four times and held

for a total of 60 hours. Avon and Somerset Police hope new

developments in DNA profiling will help catch the killer of a young

woman in Bath. Melanie Hall was last seen alive in a city nightclub 20

years ago this month. Victoria will be talking to her dad Steve Hall

later in the programme. Severe weather and storms have

caused problems across the UK. A 37-year-old man and his two

children are in a critical condition after they were struck by lightning

in Lisburn, County Antrim. Over 8,000 lightening

strikes were recorded Heavy rain took out systems

at Luton Airport causing delays, while flash floods caused problems

in Dunstable in Bedfordshire, and two people had to be rescued

from a car in south London. I was driving through and it I just

started getting submerged and the guy had to put a brick through the

window of the car to make sure that people could get out. They were

banging on the window and moving stuff around. Someone on the side

grabbed it, and threw the brick and he managed to get out. I was going

through, it was so shallow at the time, a couple of smaller cars went

through and then all of a sudden the tarmac just started exploding with

water and the car was filling. That's a summary of

the latest BBC News. Messages from you about the fact

that the website couldn't cope last night. Peter says, "Registration

should not be extended. We have had months to do. Another case of where

people are convinced that the world revolves around them." Another

viewer says, "It could be a stunt. You missed the deadline. Tough."

Tony says, "I do not accept opposition calls for an extension.

In anything, there has to be a deadline. There has to be a cut off

point Y are the would be voters not already registered anyway if they

consider the EU decision so important that they wish to add

their choice, why did they leave it to the last minute to do so?" You

just do, and the deadline was midnight, but people couldn't log-on

after 10pm. So the deadline was brought forward two hours

inadvertently. John thinks the same. A lot of men think the same! We

should not extend the deadline. "People had more than sufficient

time to register. It was stressed time and time again on TV for people

to go and register. Obviously the system will crash as any website

will crash when the demand is excessive." No

Do get in touch with No us throughout the morning.

Use the hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged

sympathy there. We might know the make up of the England team.

We're gearing up for Euro 2016 now, it's all very real with the first

However it's not the time for injury scares.

England's Chris Smalling is expected to train today,

despite limping out of the team bus with a strapped knee yesterday.

He is expected to be fit for their first match

But there's a bigger injury worry for Northern Ireland.

Forward Kyle Lafferty limped out of training yesterday

after appearing to injure his groin overstretching for a ball.

He's key for them after seven goals in qualifying.

Manager Michael O'Neill says he's not concerned though

ahead of their match with Poland on Sunday.

Former Chelsea defender Marcel Desailly was part

of the France squad which won Euro 2000.

He believes the tournament has the ability to lift the country

France actually is facing a little bit of problems, socially, the

security level, at the level of economy. So we need football. We

need football to be there for us to enjoy, to have hope and this is

something very important. There is more from Desailly -

it's a really interesting interview regional variations apply

so check the listings. News in this morning that former

Celtic manager Neil Lennon will be announced as the new man in charge

of Hibs later today. Lennon left

Bolton wanderers in March and replaces Alan Stubbs who left

Easter Road for Rotherham, having led Hibs to their first

Scottish Cup win in 114 years. England's Women edged closer to spot

at Euro 2017 with their second 7-0 win over Serbia in

the space of four days. Chelsea midfielder Gemma Davison

scored her first international goals,

a hat-trick no-less, It leaves England top of their group

with two matches to play. Scotland beat Belarus but Wales

lost to Norway. England's Rugby Union team

have a difficult test this summer - a three-match series

against World Cup The first meeting will be

in Brisbane on Saturday. England come off a Six Nations Grand

Slam hoping for a first Series Win in Australia,

but which would be bigger? You look at grand slams and you

average once every decade. In May they are coming here and it is a

massive thing, a test series, and for England it will be hard.

Greg Rutherford has frozen his sperm over fears he may be affected

by the Zika Virus at this summer's Olympic Games in Brazil.

Locked up for 60 hours, restrained with handcuffs,

leg straps and a bag over her head known as a spit hood,

That was how Sussex police treated an 11-year-old girl,

a girl with a severe neurological disability and what are described

The girl, who's not been identified and is known as child H,

was arrested three times and detained under the Mental Health Act

once over the period of a month in 2012.

Her disability had not been diagnosed at the time

of the police contact, but her mother had told officers

she believed her daughter had an autism spectrum disorder.

Despite this, the Independent Police Complaints Commission found

the 11-year-old was twice held overnight in police cells

without a parent, guardian or social worker present to support her.

The police watchdog decided 11 police officers should be

investigated for misconduct but two have now retired.

Child H's mother, who also can't be identified,

told BBC 5Live her daughter's treatment was horrific.

The use of spit hoods, it shouldn't be used on children.

And certainly not on disabled children who aren't in control

When I saw her with one on it was horrific.

I'll never get the image out of my mind.

There is just absolutely no excuse for spit hooding children.

Talk us through what went through your head when you saw her

I've never seen anything like it in my life.

It was for me, as a mother, like watching...

I couldn't see any child like that, you know?

It would be extremely disturbing to see any child like that.

But to see your own child shackled up with leg restraints

and handcuffed behind the back, behind her back with a spit

hood over her head, was a worst nightmare.

It was the most disgusting thing I've ever seen and I will never get

She was absolutely petrified, terrified beyond belief.

It sent her into a state of emotional trauma that lasted

When you went in and saw her like that, presumably you protested

to them to unshackle her, to take the hood off?

One of the times that I saw her with the hood on,

I just demanded they take it off instantly and unstrap her

The police were very bullish, and they said

they were not going to do that until she had calmed down.

I said, she's not going to calm down like this.

It was just exasperating, the whole situation,

it was making her so much worse than she ever needed to be,

they had absolutely no idea how to handle her whatsoever.

Our Home Affairs correspondent Danny Shaw is here.

What did they do and why? What the police were trying to do was to

bring this girl under some kind of control. It is acknowledged she had

a mental disorder that was very difficult to deal with and very

challenging behaviour. I think the Independent Police Complaints

Commission said in their report that she could potentially be at risk of

harming herself or other people. Everyone accepts this is not an easy

situation to deal with. It is not an 11-year-old girl walking along the

street normally. The mother contacted the police on several

occasions when the child ran away from her, so the police were called

and they handcuffed, they used leg restraints, they used this spit

hood, a bag with a mesh over it, which is to stop the police being

spat at. On four Cajuns, three of which she was arrested for minor and

one where she was detained under the Mental Health Act, she was taken

into custody and held for a period of over 60 hours and held twice

overnight, but the key failing for Sussex police was they did not allow

her to have adult support in custody. You would have thought that

an 11-year-old girl with a lot of difficulties would have had a

parent, a guardian or a social worker present and that did not

happen in that case. The other failing is the police failed to

record the reasons why they used the force that they did. 11 officers

were recommended for disciplinary action, they had a case to answer

according to the IPCC. Nine of them have received management advice, the

lowest disciplinary action, and two officers have subsequently retired.

The police say they have learned from this and they will continue to

learn on this. Is that it for now? To be fair to Sussex police they

have put out a very detailed statement and have taken this case

very seriously. This is not a case where the police have not

acknowledged they have not done anything wrong and I washing their

hands of it. They have recognised they have not dealt with this case

properly and they have acted to ensure this will not happen again.

They have put in place training for officers. They say you cannot train

every single police officer on every kind of mental health disorder, but

there should be a basic understanding. You do not have to be

a police officer to know that an 11-year-old girl overnight in a

police cell needs an appropriate adult there. Yes, the appropriate

point has been taken and they have put in place training and refreshed

guidance on the use of spit hood. They are going to keep it in use, I

understand other forces do not need it. They say the application of any

type of restraint is considered only when the level of resistance causes

concern for the safety of the detained person and other members of

the public. That is their justification for using those. Thank

With us now is the family's solicitor, Gus Silverman,

For the police to use handcuffs, leg restraints and this food, can you

tell the audience how violent the girl was being? My client suffers

from a neurological condition manifesting in symptoms similar to

autism. It is not unusual for children with these types of

disability to behave in challenging ways and no one is disputing that my

client was behaving in a very challenging way. When my client's

mother called the police what she was expecting them to do was to come

to the scene, to assist her in keeping her daughter safe and to

help her take her daughter home where she could be kept safe whilst

she calmed down. My client's mother was well used to caring for her

daughter, she knew her temper tantrums would pass. But what

happened was that the police officers turned up, they used

handcuffs and leg restraints and a spit hood. They took my client to a

police station and detained had a cumulative total of over 60 hours

without access to an appropriate adult. That experience meant my

client was unable to calm down. She was in an alien environment and she

was being restrained and her mother was not there. This was not an

environment in which a child with this kind of disability was ever

going to calm down. You had an cycle of restraint, distress, leading to

further restraint and further distress. Special schools, unit up

and down the country, are dealing every day with children who present

challenging behaviour. They would never dream of using handcuffs and

leg restraints and a spit hood on those children. The question is why

should the police use those forms of restraint? It is really important to

note that Sussex police authorise the use of a spit hood, but other

police forces do not. Merseyside police and West Midlands please do

not. They do not authorise it for adults. So why is Sussex using it?

We do not know why they think it is appropriate because as the watchdog

said on a number of occasions they did not record the reasons for their

use of force. How alarmed are you buy that? Barry alarmed. The police

are under a legal duty to record the force that was used and why it was

used and why it was necessary. That is key for accountability. Further

on down the line if their decisions I challenge, it is in the interest

of the police and the public to know what force was used and why. There

was a really systemic organisational failure in Sussex police to record

the force that was used on my client and the IPCC has flagged that up as

an organisational failure and is very concerned about it because it

indicates a lack of awareness of how serious it is when a police officer

handcuffs and leg straps and 11-year-old child. There were over

the course of the arrests 11 officers involved with dealing with

this 11-year-old girl. 11 officers that the police watchdog say have a

case to answer when it comes to misconduct charges. Two have now

retired. What do you think of that? There is an issue with police

officers being allowed to retire when there is an ongoing

investigation. Members of the public would rightly expect that if they

make a complaint against an officer, that officers should not be able to

avoid sanction simply by retiring. Chief constables do have the power

to direct that officers should not be allowed to resign if there is an

ongoing investigation. That is a power that should be used much more

commonly and should have been used in this case. And from your own

investigations why do you think for two night the 11-year-old was held

in this cell without her mother, without the Guardian, without a

social worker? What it comes down to is a basic failure by Sussex police

to properly train its custody sergeants. Sorry to interrupts. You

do not have to be a custody sergeants trained in any thing to

know that an 11-year-old with a neurological disability should not

be left in a cell or night on her own. You are absolutely right. There

are two points. One is the moral, common-sense point. How would you

want your child to be treated? Would you want to be able to see your

child and convert the tar? Of course you would. Secondly there is a legal

obligation and it is crystal clear in the statutory code of practice

that has been issued by Parliament. It is clear when a child is held in

custody, the custody sergeant is responsible for calling an

appropriate adult to attend the police station as soon as is

practical. What happened here is the custody sergeants were saying we

will call an appropriate adult when we are ready to interview this

child. Again my client was incredibly distressed and suffers

from a neurological disability and there was no prospect of every being

fit to interview. As a result there was no prospect of the Sussex police

officers allowing her mother to see her, notwithstanding the fact that

the mother was attending the police station. On one occasion by accident

she was allowed into the police station to see her daughter, once

and by accident. On all other occasions she was told flatly and in

a very unsympathetic way that she was not allowed to see her daughter

and she was not needed. Thank you for talking to us. We will talk to

Sussex police later on in the programme.

In a statement Sussex police say, "We take our responsibility for any

use of force very seriously, particularly when it involves young

We welcome the IPCC's scrutiny and during its investigation

the force has adopted many schemes to support vulnerable people

and those with mental illness, learning disabilities

Aspects of our approach are being held as good practice

nationally and we will respond to any new learning identified

Roy tweets this, "Let's remember the police were trying to control a

spitting, kicking child." Ben says, "This is child abuse. Things like

this make people hate the police." Kirsty tweets this, "An 11-year-old

disabled girl held overnight by the police, no adult support, handcuffed

and a spit hood put over her head, this is horrific." Lleyton says,

"There is no excuse for this excessive use of force. A Specialist

childcare input should have been sought at once. The police are badly

trained in mental health issues, but are supposed to use common sense and

to hold her without a responsible adult is unacceptable and that spit

hood sounds horrific." BHS a back in the headlines as MPs

prepare to question the man who bought the retailer for just ?1 last

year. Dominic Chappell is being blamed by BHS' management for the

firm's demise, leaving 11,000 jobs at risk and former staff facing a

reduction, a big drop n their pensions. Sexism in professional

football. Chelsea football club's former team doctor settles for an

undisclosed sum before she was due to give evidence about her former

manager, Jose Mourinho. Here's Joanna in the BBC newsroom

with a summary of today's news. There are calls for voter

registration for the EU referendum to be extended after the official

website suffered serious technical problems in the run-up

to last night's deadline. Many would-be voters were unable

to log on after 10pm last night, immediately after the end

of the latest TV debate. The Government blamed it

on "unprecedented demand". The Lib Dem Leader says it would be

"practical and legal" Well, the danger is if the vote is

close in either direction it will leave a cloud of uncertainty over

the outcome. The last thing we want for the outcome of this referendum

to be unclear. We often said it will be a win or lose, it won't be a

draw. We might end up with a situation where this becomes a draw

because the margin of victory to be smaller because of the number of

people excluded because of a technical glitch.

The team who took over BHS before its collapse last week

will give evidence to MPs on the Work and Pensions

The 88-year-old company was bought by Dominic Chappell from

Administrators confirmed last Thursday that a buyer hadn't been

found for the retailer, meaning 163 stores would close

One executive told MPs he felt he was misled. I think I was duped. I

think the technical term is a myth maniac. The lay person's term is it

was a Premier League liar and a Sunday pub retailer at best. That's

great in hindsight, but at the time, because I particularly wanted to

meet Darren and I wanted to meet the management team, highly credible,

highly credible turn around plan, it certainly had legs. It needed a lot

of things going right, but with cash behind the business, there was no

reason why this business could not turn itself around.

Victoria will be looking at the issues in depth with an employee of

the company and a retail expert. David Cameron and Nigel Farage

were forced to defend some of their core policies on the EU

when they were subjected to tough questioning from a television

audience last night. A Conservative voter accused

the Prime Minister of failing to honour his promise to curb

immigration while the Ukip leader If we have an Australian-style

points system rather than an open door to 508 million people, then

actually, it will be better for black people coming into Britain who

currently find it very difficult because we have this open door. The

biggest risk we can take is to pull out of the EU, pull out of the

single market, damage our businesses, damage jobs and there

will be fewer opportunities for our children and grandchildren and I say

again, I hope that when people do go to vote on 23rd June, they think

about their children and grandchildren. They think about the

jobs and the opportunities that they want for them. The sort of country

we want to build together. US President Barack Obama has

congratulated Hillary Clinton for clinching the Democratic

presidential nomination after winning primary

elections in more States. Her rival, Bernie Sanders,

is still refusing to admit defeat. Mrs Clinton told supporters that

being the first woman nominated by a major party

was an historic moment and took aim at her Republican

rival Donald Trump. The Police Watchdog criticised the

Sussex force for using a spit hood on an 11-year-old with a mental

disability. The girl was detained without the presence of an

appropriate adult. The Independent Police Complaints Commission says 11

officers have a case to answer over the mistreatment of the girl. Who

was held four times and for a total of over 60 hours.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

Here's the sports headlines now with Hugh.

No one wants to get injured prior to a tournament.

Kile Lafferty seemed to overstretch his groin on Sunday.

Manchester United defender Chris Smalling should be fit

for England training today and the match with Russia

on Saturday despite a knee injury in yesterday's session.

Former Celtic manager, Neil Lennon, is expected to be named

He'll replace Alan Stubbs who left for Rotherham having

led Hibs to their first Scottish Cup since 1902.

Olympic Long Jump Champion Greg Rutherford has had his sperm frozen

over fears he could be affected by the Zika virus at this

His partner Suzie Verrill says "they don't want to chance"

We will have more on the Northern Ireland camp and the 2016 build-up

after 10am. I will see you then. What went wrong at BHS?

What caused it to collapse? MPs will try to find out this

morning when they questioned the man who bought the department store

for just ?1 last year. The man is Dominic Chappell who used

to be a racing driver, he has been bankrupt three times

and had no retail experience. The tycoon Sir Philip Green sold him

BHS despite having earlier concerns. Both Philip Green and

Dominic Chappell have Sir Philip for paying

a ?400 million dividend to his family from the business

and over his management of BHS' pension scheme,

and Dominic Chappell for sucking management fees out of BHS

before its collapse. In total 163 shops will close,

up to 11,000 jobs will be lost and pensioners face losing 10%

of their retirement income. In a letter to staff yesterday,

the BHS operations team claim Dominic Chappell's retail

acquisition starved BHS of the funds they needed to turn

the business around. One potential financier,

Joseph Dryer from RiverRock, told MPs yesterday he walked

away from buying BHS because of the problems

with the pension fund We were told after we submitted the

proposal that the proposal had been rejected. It was surprising to us to

say the least, but most importantly, that we had been operating and

working on the basis of a misapprehension between Dominic

Chappell and Sir Philip. What conversations did you have with Mr

Chappell about that? We called him right away and said you don't have a

deal. You can imagine he was rather excited and emotional. But at that

point, you know, we had been working with him over three weeks and

normally when you work with someone over three weeks you get to know

them and you build the confidence level that this is something you

want to work with. That wasn't exactly the case and so, when we

realised that the fundamentals of the transaction upon which

everything rested were incorrect and given our growing concerns about the

project, we felt the right thing to do was to resign immediately.

BHS was founded in the 1920s, and in 2000 Sir Philip Green's

Arcadia group bought it for ?200 million But the company

started to struggle, and the Top Shop owner

Green has said BHS was in good shape when he sold it.

It has since been revealed to have had a ?571 million blackhole

in the amount of money it's expected to pay out in pensions.

It is a terrible outcome for the 11,000 people who must be worried

about their jobs. Those who are in the pension scheme or hope to go

into the pension scheme, there will be no owner of the pension scheme.

So their future looks pretty rough as well. And yet we know from our

committee hearings there are some people who have managed to walk away

from BHS with huge, huge sums of money, the contrast how well they

have done and the pensioners and the workforce must now feel is of

extreme contrast. Sir Phillp Green, who also owns

Top Shop, Top Man, Wallis, Evans and Dorothy Perkins,

is estimated to be worth around His showbiz life which includes

owning several superyachts means he's good friends with people

like Kate Moss and Simon Cowell. But some MPs are calling for him

to be stripped off his knighthood Sir Philip is not fit to lick the

boots of these people let alone be a knight of this realm which is

provoked me into taking that revoke. Taking dividends from a company that

cost them ?200 million can be described as little else, but asset

stripping. What matters now is the employees who are dependant on the

pension scheme, if it goes into the Pension Protection Fund will lose

10%. There are many on these benches who think the minimum that needs to

happen is for Philip Green to pay back enough to save them from that.

Whilst Sir Philip's former workers contemplate redundancy, he awaits

the delivery of a brand-new ?100 million yacht.

MPs are talking to current and former bosses of BHS. Richard Pryce,

Darren Topp the current Chief Executive of the company and Michael

Hitchcock. Let's listen. What was the process? We had a plan that was

basically predicated under the existing Arcadia business. So that

was the plan we were running with. When the sale of the business was

announced, we were asked to present what our turn around plan would be

to the retail commission and the rest of their team. It is hard to

come up with something new in a week. Mm, a lot of it was a

continuation of what we were doing. We thought we were making progress

in the business and with investment, you know, we believed that, you

know, that we were on the right trajectory. If you're presenting to

potential buyers or it is a document that's going to go to potential

buyers, you would have had to have had a cash flow forecast involved

with that? Yeah. What was that projected cash flow in terms of

annual cash requirements? Can you recall? All of the cash flow

projections were done as part of the negotiations with the Group. We

haven't involved in negotiations... It was a plan with no numbers

attached? It was a trading plan. OK. Where did the numbers come from?

Sorry, the... Where did the numbers come from? They were our numbers.

OK. Thank you. That's current and former executives of BHS talking to

the work and pensions Select Committee.

Let's talk to Jim McMahon MP who we just saw calling

for Sir Philip to be stripped of his knighthood.

MP for Oldham West and Royton, Dr Pamela Robinson a retail expert

at the University of Birmingham and Mike Williams who worked at BHS

How much of a reduction will you see? I could be one of the lucky

ones because the company was part of the protection fund and I reached

the normal retirement age of the company's pension scheme. I climbed

abroad the company's protection scheme lifeboat unfortunately to

find it has got a few holes. As a chap who has gone past retirement

age, I will get 100% of my current pension, however, I served 33 years

in BHS, and the scheme at the present moment states that if you

served before 1997, of which I did 30 years before 1997, none of that

pension is subject to any inflationary increase. Which will

mean a drop in overall terms of what percentage? If you take inflation to

be 2% on average over the next 15 years, theoretically, my pension

will go down in real terms by 30%. What do you think about that? Well,

I'm not particularly happy about it. If you look at the amount of money

that you have to put into your pension to subsidise the inflation,

I'm going to have to find in the region of ?45,000 of money from

somewhere. Who do you blame? I blame Sir Philip

Green, you do not take out huge sums of money when you know the business

has to have investment. The high street has been struggling right

across the country and for the people who work there it is

devastating. For more than that it will hit people's confidence and

people will look and wonder what the future is both for shopping centres

and the traditional British high street. It feels as though the odds

are stacked against retailers on the high street doing well. The

Government has been slow to address that and they continued to be slow

to address that, but this is more fundamental. This is about how we do

business and what type of society do we want? Do people play in a fair

way to the rules or do they act in their self-interest? The reason why

I called for Sir Philip Green to lose his knighthood is that in my

view if you have a knighthood, it has a great deal of status in our

society, you are leading the country and people look up to you. You have

got to put the interests of the country above your personal

interests. Sir Philip Green is not leading the country? He was given

the honour for his role in leading retail. But in business things go

wrong as well as right. This was about the state the DHS was in on

the transferred to the new buyer. I cannot understand how anybody who

was fair-minded can look at that transfer and say with a pension

deficit of ?571 million, having taken more than that out in dividend

payments and rental property receives, how anyone could say that

was good for the long-term sustainability of that company. He

has offered 80 million into that pension black hole. What would you

like to see him put into that? The pension deficit stands at ?571

million. He has taken more than that out of the company. Quite a big

chunk is in Monaco to avoid paying UK tax. That is not illegal. No, but

that does not mean it is the moral standard we aspire to in this

country. If you are to be a night of the realm, you should put the

country's interest above your personal interests. There are a lot

of people who will be looking at their future and comparing that to

Sir Philip Green taking receipt of his ?100 million yacht. Pam

Robertson is a retail expert at the University of Birmingham. What has

gone wrong? It is a sad and sorry state, but British home stores has

been struggling for over a decade. It was struggling when Sir Philip

Green took it over. He used it as a vehicle to acquire the Arcadia group

and his attention was taken to the brands of Dorothy Perkins and he

created those shopping experiences in the BHS store. He took the other

brands into BHS to try and make something out of ladies' fashion.

But BHS has not been right. It was launched as the poor man's M and

M is struggling themselves in ladies fashion. They are struggling

with Zara at the top end and Primark at the bottom end. In a sense BHS

has been famous for homeware, schoolwork, school uniforms,

babywear, very good on lighting, but what else does it offer in the high

street? I do not think BHS Kirin collapse is the demise of the high

street. Look at John Lewis and House of Fraser. BHS did not have the

right product proposition and has suffered accordingly. Let's you a

bit more from the Select Committee hearing. Let's hear about the type

of man that Dominic Chappell was. Michael, what was your sense when

you arrived as to the cash position of the company and the ability to

finance its management? This was my first interaction with Dominic

Chappell and like I think many others throughout this process I

think I was duped. The technical term is a myth maniac. The

layperson's town is he was the Premier League liar and a Sunday pub

retailer at best. Well, he is not pulling his punches. That is a

description of Dominic Chappell who bought the company for a pound. What

do you think of that? A lot will come out through this enquiry and

there will be plenty of people who will be looking to complain. My

interest is that of Sir Philip Green, and we had BHS has struggled

to keep up with the high street and has struggled to keep up with you

shoppers, but little wonder when money was taken away from the

company when times were good. There was not investment required to make

sure it was attractive and that is because people take a very

short-term view, putting their self interest first and taking a lot of

money out of that company that was generated by the people who worked

in the stories and the shoppers who were loyal to the brand, and that

has been taken away. 11,000 people will be redundant, but other people

enjoyed their multi-billion pound 's lifestyle while other people are

left to pick up the pieces. Mike Williams, is a BHS pensioner, what

responsibility lies at the door of the man who bought BHS for ?1 who

has been described as a Premier League liar? I think he has

responsibility and he certainly thought he could run the business

and he should have tried much harder to raise cash legitimately if you

like and put a business plan together that convinced Sir Philip

Green that he could run it properly, but none of that happened. Pam, what

responsibility should Dominic Chappell take this? Somebody who

could not understand retail was given an opportunity to do something

with something that was tired and old. They have some jewels in their

crown if they could be sold separately. Nobody would want to

take it on as a whole consortium. There is a great site in Oxford

Street in London and they have some great sites in other cities. In

terms of Dominic Chappell and stability Green, they have not come

out of this smelling as roses. They do not show in any way they have

been responsible. But we have this problem with what is the high street

and the business model and morality and responsibility does not always

come into business. Let's hear another clip from the Select

Committee hearing. They are talking about secretly hiving off assets. He

is the usual for an owner of a company to have a secret plan to

hive off assets and then stick you for a bill telling you about it? It

is typical of the events that were going on during the Dominic Chappell

ownership. There was so much happening above us that we did not

know about. Darren was spending 90% of his time trying to govern what

was happening above him and not focusing on what was happening in

the business. That was the event of what was going on. It was completely

extraordinary to say the least. You came to your conclusion that Mr

Chappell was a fantasist very quickly. You said within two weeks.

I assume you have not ever work for Sir Philip Green. I did not know Sir

Philip Green. I ask that because it appears it is only people who are

paid by Sir Philip Green on who are consulting to Philip Green that Mr

Chappell is a fantasist. I am sat here with the benefit of hindsight,

maybe two weeks was a short period to form that conclusion, but based

on when I got inside the business and heard from people it became

evident that the motives of Mr Chappell were not what you would

have expected from shareholder. Extraordinary criticism of the man

who bought BHS, that was Michael Hitchcock, a former BHS Executive.

More from that Select Committee hearing throughout the morning.

Thank you to Jim McMahon, Doctor Pam Robertson, and Mike Williams who

worked that DHS for more than 30 years.

Coming up: Track and field athlete Tom Bosworth,

tells us he's achieved his lifelong dream by qualifying to compete

for Great Britain at the Rio Olympics this year.

The 26-year-old race walker missed out on representing Team GB by just

He came out on this programme last year.

Next, sexism in football and what happened at Chelsea.

In order to explain the story properly we are going to use

If you've got children in the room you might not want them to listen

Chelsea Football Club's former team doctor settled her dismissal case

for several million pounds yesterday just before she was due to give

evidence at an employment tribunal against her former

He'd been accused of sexual discrimination over the way

he treated Eva Carnerio during Chelsea's first match last season.

To Jose Mourinho's anger she and a team physio ran onto

the pitch to treat Eden Hazard leaving the team with just nine men

Central to the sexism allegation is Eva Carnerio's claim that

during the incident she heard Mourinhio say "son of a whore".

He insists that he said something very similar which means

In the end though they settled their case out of the tribunal.

She was given a full apology, praise for her professionalism

and a cheque for several million pounds.

But what sort of message does this send out to women in football

And are remarks like this - whoever's version you believe -

We can speak to the founder of the female coaching network who joined

us from Lancashire. And we can speak to the first chartered

physiotherapist in English football. First of all, what do you think of

this case and how it has ended? It is interesting it has ended, it has

taken quite a while. As a chartered physio in football this is par for

the chorus. That kind of language? Do you mean sexist? When you choose

to go to work in football... You have to accept sexism? It is a male

dominated profession like it is working in the city and you have to

learn special skills to know how to deal with and work with players and

managers. Jose Mourinho is a colourful character. I worked at

Barnet and was exposed to lots of colourful language and you develop

thick skin and learn how to deal with it. Should you have to? No, but

in this environment everyone is excited, the game is under pressure

and people say things they should not say. Do you accept that? I do

accept in sport there is a lot of emotion involved and a lot of ego

involved and particularly in a game like the Premier League. A lot of

language happens. However, it is unacceptable that somebody who is a

highly qualified doctor who has trained for many years walks out on

to a pitch in front of thousands of people with millions watching on the

TV and gets spoken to the way she did. I understand managers lose

their temper, however, managers are there to set standards for the

players and to speak to hide the way he did and not apologised after the

game is unacceptable. Not just that, she was demoted after that. Should

she develop special skills to deal with that? It is tricky because I am

not privy to what goes on behind doors. That is a fact. You are

right, that is not acceptable. But having worked in that environment

you have to understand that that environment is very special and

specific. You understand these things go on and it is not correct

women learn to develop and work well in this environment. Depending what

you read she has either received ?2 million or ?5 million, Eva Carneiro,

to end this case and keep it confidential. Some people are asking

why it is that much, what do you think? Again she has got her own

personal reasons for ending the tribunal when she did. However, this

will be a bit of a headache for Jose Mourinho as he starts his new role

in Manchester United, and Chelsea football club what this finished and

over and done with before the season begins again in August. A club like

Chelsea have the power to pay any amount of money to end any

situation. Like I say, they will not what this hanging over their heads

and they have the power to throw any amount of money at her to end it.

Thank you Berry match. -- thank you very much. Still to come: He was a

young man travelling the world, but in 1978 John Dewhirst ended up

completely by chance becoming one of millions of murder by Cambodia's

brutal Khmer Rouge regime. This week in Cambodia the man who ran the

prison is due to take the stand in a war crimes tribunal. I will be

talking to John's sister. Did you manage to dodge the

thunderstorms yesterday? I did! We had some good footage. Some of the

heaviest storms affected parts of Brighton towards the South Coast and

then these scenes came from southern parts of London. Particularly badly

hit were areas around the Croydon area and into Sutton, causing

problems for commuters for sure. Some transport disruption there.

Looking at the forecast for the next 24 hours or so, we are going to see

some further thunderstorms bubbling up as we go through the day today.

So after a decent start to the day with sunshine, the clouds will again

develop this afternoon to bring some scattered, pretty heavy showers.

Now, thunderstorms won't be as widespread. They won't be as heavy

as those of yesterday, but because they will be slow moving, they could

cause some issues. We start the day with more cloud around than we had

yesterday. That cloud started off bringing rain and patches there

across south-east England and the London area and damp weather coming

into the far north of Scotland too. Aside from that, through the rest of

the morning, most of us will have a dry and bright morning with

increasing amounts of sunshine. It feels on the humid side. We will

start to see the showers develop, some of them will turn out to be

really heavy. One or two thunderstorms dotted around across

north-west England, but there will be heavy showers as well working in

across the Midlands and into central and Southern England and the South

East and the London area too. There could be localised surface water

flooding from the heaviest downpours. Temperatures, we are

looking at highs up to 26 Celsius, but cooler around the North Sea

coasts. It should stay dry for Northern Ireland and maybe the odd

shower towards Antrim and Down and showers affecting western areas of

Scotland. During this evening and overnight,

the showers will fade away that bit more quickly than they did last

night. Low cloud will come in from the North Sea, coming across central

and Eastern Scotland in towards England. Rather misty and murky

around the coasts. A fresher feel to things across eastern areas and warm

towards the west. Tomorrow's forecast, well, we are looking at a

fine start to the day. The cloud will break up. The mist lifting and

sunny spells coming through. A few showers. This time mostly affecting

parts of Northern England and Scotland and temperatures wise we

are looking at highs into the low 20s, peaking at 23 Celsius. That's

your latest forecast. Our top story today,

the former Chief Executive of BHS, Darren Topp, has accused the man

who bought the company before it folded, Dominic Chappell,

of having his "fingers in the till". And other executives say they were

misled too. The lay person's term is it was a Premier League liar and a

Sunday pub league retailer at best. Give me some facts! That's what you

have been telling us you want when it comes to trying to make up your

mind on how to vote in the EU referendum in two weeks' time. We

will try and bring you some of those facts on immigration, economy and

the jobs. Plus track and field athlete Tom Boss worth who came out

on this programme last year, tells us he has achieved his life long

dream by qualifying for the Olympic Games this summer. I don't think it

has sunk in yet. It has been a life long dream that I don't think until

I'm there will it feel like it is happening, you know.

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

In the last few minutes, the head of the team who took over

BHS before its collapse, Dominic Chappell, has been called

a "Premier League liar" during evidence to MPs on the Work

The 88-year-old company was bought by Mr Chappell from Sir Philip Green

Administrators confirmed last Thursday that a buyer hadn't been

found for the retailer, meaning 163 stores would close

One executive told MPs he felt he was misled.

I think I was duped. I think the technical term is a myth maniac. The

lay person's term is, he was a Premier League liar and a Sunday pub

league retailer at best. Now, that's great in hindsight, but

at the time, because I particularly wanted to meet Darren and I wanted

to meet the management team, highly credible, highly credible turn

around plan that certainly had legs. It needed a lot of things going

right, but with cash behind the business, there was no reason why

this business could not turn itself around.

There are calls from across the political spectrum for voter

registration for the EU referendum to be extended after the official

website crashed in the run-up to last night's deadline.

Many would-be voters were unable to log on after 10pm last night,

immediately after the end of the latest TV debate.

The Government blamed it on "unprecedented demand".

The Lib Dem Leader says it would be "practical and legal"

Well, the danger is that if the vote is close in either direction that

will leave a cloud of uncertainty and of illegitimacy over the

outcome. The last thing we want for the outcome of the referendum to be

unclear. We said it will be a win or lose, it won't be a draw. We might

end up in a situation where this effectively becomes a draw because

the margin of victory could be smaller than the number of people

excluded because of a technical glitch.

US President Barack Obama has congratulated Hillary Clinton

for clinching the Democratic presidential nomination,

after winning primary elections in more States.

Her rival, Bernie Sanders, is still refusing to admit defeat.

Mrs Clinton told supporters that being the first woman

nominated by a major party was an historic moment.

The police watchdog has criticised the Sussex force

for using handcuffs, leg restraints and a so-called

spit-hood on an 11-year-old girl with a severe mental disability.

The girl was also detained by police without the presence

The Independent Police Complaints Commission says 11 officers

have a case to answer for misconduct over the treatment of the girl,

who was detained four times and held for a total of 60 hours.

The girl's family's solicitor, Gus Silverman, said she was caused

distress, and that the use of such restraints is rare.

Special schools, health care units up and down the country are dealing

every day with children who present challenging behaviour or behaviour

which challenges. They would never dream of using handcuffs and leg

restraints and spit hoods on those children. So the question then

becomes why should the police use those forms of restraint? Now, I

think it is really important to know that Sussex Police, they authorised

the use of spit hoods, but other large police forces don't.

One of the world's most wanted people smugglers,

who has been blamed for the deaths of hundreds of migrants, has been

Nicknamed "The General", 35-year-old Mered Medhanie from Eirtrea,

is accused of being behind the Lampedusa tragedy in 2013

Let's go to Rome. Investigators were involved in the hunt for him. They

found him through communications da and through intercepts. It is

important because in all of this current migration crisis of the last

few years, this is the first time that a major smuggler has been

caught in Africa and sent to face trial in Italy and prosecutors

accuse him of, from their point of view, horrific behaviour, of

kidnapping other groups of migrants, putting them on barely sea worthy

vessels from North Africa towards Europe and let's bear in mind

hundreds and hundreds of people died on the journeys in recent years. It

has become the world's most dangerous migrant journey. Thank

you, James. I will be back with more at 10.30am.

Back to you Victoria. Thank you, Joanna. Lots of you getting in touch

about the 11-year-old girl restrained by Sussex Police. They

have been criticised by the Police Watchdog for using handcuffs and leg

cuffs and the spit hood on president girl. Helen says, "My sympathies lie

with the police. Why were they continually called out to deal with

this 11-year-old? Who would want to join the police?" Bobby says, "Stop

blaming the police. Why were the parents letting the child go along

so far without medication knowing things could turn into a sudden

behaviour change?" Maggie says, "I'm not defending Sussex Police, however

my son has been spat at in his line of work which has meant a series of

injections to cope with possible infections." Peter says, "Here we go

again, the police officers retiring to avoid any action being taken

against them for the way they dealt with this young girl. It really is

time this stopped happening." The IPCC, the Police Watchdog,

recommended that 11 officers had a case to answer when it came to

misconduct charges. Two of those officers have retired. Get in touch

with us throughout the morning. Use the hashtag Victoria Live

and If you text, you will be charged Good morning. If you are like me,

you can't wait for the start of Euro 2016.

The last thing you'd want is an injury.

That could be the case for Northern Ireland

Katie Gornall is watching their training session this morning.

Katie, what's the latest on kile Lafferty? Kyle Lafferty is here. He

is not taking part with the training. He is on an exercise bike.

He seems to be in good spirits. He gave a thumb-up to everyone. That

will be a good sign for Northern Ireland's fans and for the squads

here. Losing Lafferty or Northern Ireland's captain, Steve Davis would

have been a worse case scenario for Michael O'Neill. They were reliant

on Lafferty, his seven goals were crucial to their qualification.

There was a lot of concern yesterday when he fell here and went down,

apparently with a groin injury when he stretched for the ball and limped

out of training, but Michael O'Neill after the training session was keen

to play down any fears, he says it wasn't anything major and he expects

him to be fit for Northern Ireland's opening game against Poland on

Sunday in Nice. Should any small fears be realised, he will be

replaced by Conor Washington and it would mark a remarkable story,

wouldn't it? Conor Washington is a great story, Hugh. The headlines

today, Conor Washington ready to deliver. Just four years ago, he was

working as a postman and playing in the Conference for St Ives. He said

when he was asked about it, yesterday in a press conference, is

still pinching himself being here. He admitted he didn't get to watch a

lot of Euro 2004 because he early starts as a postman and he couldn't

watch the games. Now he is here with Northern Ireland. He was a late

call-up to the squad really. He only made his debut in March, but he

impressed enough scoring on his debut for Michael O'Neill to feel he

deserves a chance in France. He included him in the squad.

Washington cites Jamie Vardy as an inspiration to him and in terms of

hue he climbed through the League. Washington has come a long way in

the past four years. You could say the same of Northern Ireland, of

course, how far they've come in the past four years to be here against

the odds in France ready to take part in their first major tournament

in 30 years. Katie, thank you very much.

England's defender Chris Smalling is expected to train today,

despite limping out of the team bus with a strapped knee yesterday.

He's likely to be fit for their first match

Long jumper Greg Rutherford has frozen his sperm over fears he may

be affected by the Zika virus at this summer's

The virus is known to cause birth defects and although Rutherford

already has a son with partner, Suzie Verrill, she wrote

in the Evening Standard that "she wouldn't want to be

in a situation which could have been prevented."

We'll be back with more sport later in the programme.

Downing Street says it is looking at whether the voter registration can

be extended. After the problems last night affected voter registration.

For those of you who are registered and undecided, a lot of you are

saying it is impossible to make a decision because both sides are

making such wild claims. So it is impossible to work out the facts. It

is something so many of you have said to us over and over again and

it came up on Monday when we held our audience debate in Manchester on

the EU referendum. I'm just really, really frustrated

with the whole thing. We have got politicians on both sides behaving

like children in a playground. They are slinging things at each other we

are not getting any concrete information. I don't know h we're

supposed to make a decision and it is a really important decision and

it is not just our futures, it is our children's futures as well. What

I heard from this side, if Cameron is speaking and what I heard from

this side is what Boris Johnson is saying. So in a way, I'm not wiser

today. The politicians normally do convince you good, when they can't

confuse you, they scare you, that's what happened. No facts we know

today that make up my mind. Because the fraus strayings is borne out

what seems to be a lot of one sided arguments where all we get is

scaremongering tactics. Nobody is allowed to reply with the facts and

when facts are presented, they are trying to be dismissed as not

factual. When the evidence is there and you can research it on the

internet. We never seem to get any hard facts.

Do you know what I really want to hear is the problemality of

something happening, or something not happening. The politicians just

keep using the words, "Could and may."

People here have not heard anything that will convince them one way or

If you want to watch that programme again you can do so on the iPlayer.

But for the next few minutes we're going to try and give

you some of those facts, as best we can, on the biggest

issues surrounding the referendum from a group of leading experts

who can all say that they are 100% impartial on the issue

of whether Britain should stay in or leave the European Union.

With us in the studio - Will Moy from Full Fact,

a group fact checking the referendum claims of both leave and remain

and Professor Anand Menon who is the director

of the Kings College group 'UK in a changing Europe.

First of all, let's just address the issue of impartiality

and whether or not our audience should believe you over politicians.

We have been fact checking since 2010 on all kinds of issues, not

just the EU referendum. We are fact checking the referendum because of

over 1000 crowd funders who made it possible to do this work. But we are

not asking you to take our word for this. We have a website and you can

look at that and judge things for yourselves. We are group of

academics whose interest is to allow who know what is being said. We are

not campaigning for one side or the other. Let's start with immigration.

The Leave Campaign say it is impossible to control immigration

from within the European Union. The remaining campaign say it is good

for the economy and those from the EU pay more in taxes than they take

out. Who is right? It is certainly the case that while we are in the EU

you are bound to freedom of movement where anybody can live and work and

study in any other EU country, so we cannot control the numbers of people

who come here. That is a fair point to make. Immigration for the rest of

the world, we have a say over how we control that. On the economic point

this is where you cannot actually say definitely this is exactly what

is going on. A lot of the issues here are aware there is uncertainty.

A lot of different studies, but basically they come out as saying it

does not make that much difference to our public finances, immigration,

one way or another. It is probably a bit positive. Immigration from the

EU is better for as economically than from the rest of the world.

Immigration of people coming recently is probably a bit better

economically. What would you add? Most of the migration to this

country is non-EU, which we can control. In terms of the economics

it is worth distinguishing between the macro and the local. EU

migration is good for the economy as a whole, but equally you get areas

of the country where you get particular concentrations of

migration where there are problems with schools, hospitals and GPs like

that. There is a distinction between the lived experience of people. Will

there be less pressure on public services and more jobs for British

people if the UK leaves the European Union? That would depend on what our

policy on migration is. It is conceivable we could leave the

European Union and have the same number of migrants. Equally we could

leave the European Union and control our borders more fiercely. The Leave

Campaign say they would introduce a points system which they say would

help control migration. Again, a points system is great in principle,

it depends what scores you require. Australia gets more migration than

us. You could devise a points system that was tight or lose, but what we

do not know is what a future Government would do.

We have control over who comes here from the rest of the world and we

have not reduced that dramatically, so we are talking about assuming we

would make a significant change to the immigration policy that we are

ready have. But he is right on that, it is about your job, it is not

about jobs generally. That is the real story. On jobs, unemployment is

over 10% in the EU, double the rate of the UK. The remaining campaign

say 3 million jobs in the UK are linked to trade with the EU. The

Leave Campaign say they could create more jobs if we left because there

would be less regulation, less burdensome regulations in the

workplace. There are a variety of things. I think the figure is

slightly higher, more than 3 million, but they use that formula

linked to. It is extremely unlikely if we left that those jobs would go.

Those jobs depend on trade with other European countries. There is

no suggestion from the Leave Campaign that if we leave the EU, we

will stop trading. There is an implication in the way that phrase

is used that maybe these jobs will be in danger if we left and I do not

think it is true. That is right, nobody has done those calculations

about leaving. People are saying some jobs are on the lane and most

economists believe we will be worse off if we leave the EU, there will

be a price to pay. It is when they start putting precise numbers on it

that you have to start raising your eyebrows. What about if the Leave

Campaign says if we left, there would be less regulation in our

workplace and businesses would be free to create jobs. You are

smiling. I am smiling because I feel for your viewers and we are meant to

be giving them the facts and this is an area we do not know what the

Government after a Brexit would do. There are no facts about the future.

It would be possible should we decide to do so to scrap every piece

of legislation on our statute books. It would take decades. There is no

indication of future Government would want to do that. That is one

of the frustrations about this campaign, a lot of it is about

things that would happen in the future and promises being made by

people who are not leading our Government now and we do not know if

they will in the future. In the audience debate on Monday in the end

I was saying, you will have to make a judgment call. The cost of being a

member of the EU, last year Britain paid 17.8 billion to the EU. We got

back 4.9 billion in the rebate. Another 4.4 billion for farm

subsidies, for grants to pull regions of the UK. Is that correct?

Those are the right set of figures. You are more familiar about hearing

about the ?350 million a week that has been emblazoned on buses by the

Leeds side will stop what is going on here is that we would pay ?350

million a week to the EU, if we did not have a rebate. We do not pay a

rebate to the EU and get it back, we do not get it back. The funds are

transferred from Britain to the EU. We sent ?250 million every week and

they spend some money back in the UK and that would be about ?85 million

a week that they spend in the UK. They are spending it, not the UK

Government. We might choose to spend it differently. Whilst this debate

about our contribution is interesting, we need to see it in a

broader light because what the contribution gets us is access to

the market. The gains we have from being in the market dwarf the

contribution we pay. Do not think about the membership fee we pay,

think about what we get for that membership fee as well. Whilst it is

laudable for all those people to say we want facts, politics is not about

facts, it is about gut feelings as well and on a certain point you

might think why are we giving hundreds of millions of pounds away

and that might be what you feel. Fats are a guide, but emotion is

central to politics as well. Remains a the benefits outweigh the costs.

You have said that. We have talked about the ?350 million. Let me ask

you about security. Is Britain more on less at risk of a terrorist

attack inside or outside the EU? That is a horrible question to ask

you. How would you answer that is working for an impartial

organisation when we are trying to deliver only facts? The people who

know best whether we are at risk of terror attacks know things the rest

of us do not know. It has been interesting as a fact checker

hearing heads of MI5 and MI6 pop up and give their opinion on this. You

cannot second-guess that because they know things we cannot know and

they have re-sources we cannot check for ourselves. There is a lot of

cooperation within the European Union on law enforcement matters and

there are things like the European arrest warrant and intelligence

sharing. There is a question about if we leave, does all that

disappear? You can look at Norway which is not a member of the

European Union, which is negotiating something like the European arrest

warrant to suggest there would be ways of trying to get similar kinds

of cooperation if we were not in the EU. You would think that would be in

everybody's interest. But all of that is what might happen, what

might be negotiated and what expert do you trust? I want to ask about

travel because it came up in a debate on BBC One and it has come up

in your own organisations, whether or not if Britain left the EU that

it would be less easy than it is now to get up, book a cheap flights and

go to somewhere in Europe. What would you say? With apologies I

would say possibly, but we do not know. It depends on the deal we get.

If we do not remain part of the single market, it depends on what

the Government does. We could leave the single market altogether, so we

are not covered by the provisions of free-roaming in the EU. Our mobile

phone operators might say, we will look bad if we ignore it, so we will

keep it in place. You are trying to predict what an awful lot of people

are going to do under certain eventualities. That is not a great

answer for your viewers, but that is the truth. I like the truth. We

cannot say what the outcome will be, but we can say what process will be

kicked off. When the Government tells the EU we are going to leave,

there is a two year period in which we negotiate the details of the

exit. In that set of decisions is a big choice, which is does the UK

what to say part of the European Union single market or not. You can

leave the EU and stay part of the market like Norway. There is a

trade-off, which is Norway accepts laws from the EU and free movement

of people from the EU and it contributes money to EU countries,

but Norway gets the benefits of a single market and free travel and

market access. Or we can go all the way out and we get the control over

immigration and laws and we do not get some of those economic benefits

that people talk about and most economists would say it exists. That

is a big choice we would have to be made after we have made our choice

about whether we want to leave or not. This is the calmest

conversation I have heard about the EU since campaigning began. Thank

you very much. Let's go back to the DHS, the former

chief Executive of the company, Darren Topp, has accused the man who

bought it, Dominic Chappell, of having his fingers in the till. He

is giving evidence to a Select Committee about the collapse of the

retail chain with the loss of 11,000 jobs. Mr Chappell is due to give

evidence in half an hour's time. Rosanna says without doubt Sir

Philip Green should be stripped of his knighthood. He sold the company

to a totally inexperienced buyer and would not be aware what he was

taking on. Green just wanted to get rid of the company and he should

ensure all 11,000 employees have a full pension payoffs. Another viewer

says, Philip Green needs to be stripped of his knighthood and made

to pay back his staff. For too long past and present governments have

paid lip service to ordinary people whilst big business treat employees

like this. We can bring you more of the evidence. Darren Topp explained

it was true that Dominic Chappell try to take ?1.5 million from the

company. By initial reaction if I am honest was to call the police. That

is a substantial amount of money and this was when we were at the end of

the process. I said, Harry, because I know the other director is

Swedish, before we called the police, let me ring Dominick. I rang

him and he knew about it straightaway. I said to him that is

theft. If I take out all the expletive is, he basically said do

not kick off about this, Darren, I have had enough of you telling me

what to do over the last few months, it is my business, I can do what I

want. If you kick off about it I will come down there and kill you.

He threatens to kill me again and I know it sounds silly, but apparently

he says he was in the helicopter squad of the SAS, there was a little

bit of me that thought he would threaten me and I said I would call

the police. Still to come, he was a young man

travelling the world, but in 1978, British man

John Dewhirst, ended up, completely by chance,

becoming one of millions murdered by Cambodia's brutal

Khmer Rouge regime. This week, in Cambodia,

the man that ran the prison is due to take the stand

in a war crimes tribunal. I'll be talking to Hilary Holland,

John Dewhirst's sister. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news. The head of the team that took over

BHS has been called a Premier League liar during evidence to MPs on the

Work and Pensions Committee. The 88-year-old company was bought by Mr

Chappell from Sir Philip Green for a pound last year. One executive told

MPs he felt he was misled. I think I was duped. I think the technical

term is a myth maniac. The lay person's term is he was a Premier

League liar and a Sunday pub league retailer at best. Now, that's great

in hindsight, but at the time because I particularly wanted to

meet Darren and I wanted to meet the management team, highly credible,

highly credible turn around plan. It certainly had legs, it needed a lot

of things going right, but with cash behind the business, there was no

reason why this business could not turn itself around.

There are calls from across the political spectrum for voter

registration for the EU referendum to be extended after the official

website crashed in the run up to last night's deadline.

Many would-be voters were unable to log

immediately after the end of the latest TV debate.

The Government blamed it on "unprecedented demand".

US President Barack Obama has congratulated Hillary Clinton

for clinching the Democratic presidential nomination,

after winning primary elections in more States.

Her rival, Bernie Sanders, is still refusing to admit defeat.

Mrs Clinton told supporters that being the first woman

nominated by a major party was an historic moment.

One of the world's most wanted people smugglers,

who has been blamed for the deaths of hundreds of migrants, has been

Nicknamed "The General", 35-year-old Mered Medhanie from Eirtrea,

is accused of being behind the Lampedusa tragedy in 2013

in which at least 359 people died.

That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC

The sport, here is Hugh. Kyle Lafferty has eased concerns over his

fitness concerns. He was on an exercise bike this morning after

injuring a groin yesterday. Chris Smalling should be fit for England

training today and for the match with Russia on Saturday despite a

knee injury. Neil Lennon is expected to be named as the new boss of Hibs

today. He will replace Alan Stubbs who left for Rotherham.

Greg Rutherford has had his sperm frozen over fears he to be affected

by the ze ka virus. His partner says they don't want to have any future

problems. This morning track and field

athlete Tom Bosworth, who you may remember came out

on this programme last year, tells us he's achieved his lifelong

dream by qualifying to compete for Great Britain at

the Rio Olympics this year. The 26-year-old race walker missed

out on representing Team GB by just 19 seconds four years ago in 2012,

but this weekend secured the qualifying time needed

for Rio by finishing first We'll be following his progress

in Rio on this programme Before we hear from him again

this is what he told I'm here to speak publicly

for the first time about my sexuality and to the public I am

going to come out. To my family and friends

this is no surprise, but I felt now was the right time

to speak publicly about this. Now I am at a higher level

and I have had a lot of interest in social media, mostly to do

with sport, but I often do get I've been comfortable

in my sexuality and in a really happy relationship for the last four

and a half years, so this isn't But to speak out about this

being a sportsman it's I am sat with you here today,

so I guess it is still news, but in a few years' time I can see

this being just anybody else, like anybody can succeed in sport

and if more people can come out, Since that interview Tom Bosworth

tells us a number of people have confided in him

about their sexuality. And he's still looking forward

to the day he says when someone's But he started by telling me

about qualifying for the Olympics. I don't think it's

quite sunk in yet. It's been a lifelong dream that

I don't think pretty much until I'm there,

will it actually feel Tell our audience how

you were feeling before that race. I think I was more nervous before

that race than any other race. I felt confident that

I should win the race. I've been number one in Britain

for a good few years now. It's the whole formality

of going through 20k, That would have been silly for me

to think I've got this easily. It was just, I had to do

a job, and that I did. You missed out on London

four years ago. How much does it mean to hopefully

represent Team GB this summer? Ah yes, I don't have

words to explain it. Four years ago I missed out, as you

say, and just by a few seconds. I think I spent a week crying

in bed because literally, Now, an Olympic Games

is still an Olympic Games and I'm What happens in terms

of your training schedule over A lot more training.

We've come off the race. Yeah, big mileage now, before we go

to altitude where we'll have Yeah, that will take us right up

to the Olympics and we will fly When you are race walking for 20km,

what is it that's going You know every step

is always about technique Yeah, we don't listen to music

or anything like that, My coach is always

commenting on technique. Yeah, I've got training partners

which makes the time go There's always a background noise

in the run-up to any Olympics, but the background noise with Rio

is concerns over the Zika virus We've had Russia won't be there,

a total ban for them, retesting of doping samples

from the Beijing Games. First of all the Zika virus,

it's not going to affect you personally, but do

you worry about those things? The media has made it clear

that these things are there, and it's a major problem

for that part of the world. I also trust in the people

who are organising it I don't believe they would put

anybody's life at risk without going through the correct

procedure to start with. We've got to trust in these people,

they're not just organising And in terms of cheating

on the track during the Games, the International Association

of Athletics Federations is the official body supposed

to govern track and field events, do you have confidence in them

to crack down on doping? Again, they are currently doing

a very tough job of trying to out those people that have been cheating

for a very long time. You know, it's all coming out

in the media now, and we are seeing one article after another

about another cheat and so on. But actually, that's what we need

to happen for us to move on. When I stand on that start line

in Rio, I know most of those people on that start line,

and I think I trust them. I wouldn't want to

think any other way. I'm happy to go out there and be

the best I can be and know When we spoke to you in October last

year, you told our audience You are the second track and field

athlete to do so, I was expecting, even

a little bit of slight Not everybody sees the world

through my eyes and the same eyes as most people,

I'd like to think. The only negativity that came

across was people saying things like, this isn't a story,

why do we care? That didn't bother me,

that's exactly how I I wonder if you feel a certain

responsibility now as Yeah, I don't think I'd realised

quite the responsibility that I'm having to take that

on and I'm proud, actually. It's something that I realised quite

quickly, I do have a responsibility, whether I can support and help one

person or 100 people, That is to me personally,

not everybody might think like that, I did that last October

and now I have to deal I wonder, how far you think

we are away from other current contemporaries of

yours to coming out? That's a question I just can't

answer. I have literally no idea

because hopefully it won't be a thing that you have to come out

publicly, you can just live openly. Has anyone so far confided

in you since you revealed your news? Not within sport, but some

other people have. People are telling you private

information about their lives Yes, that's exactly

what made me realise, hold on, I've got

a responsibility here, As I say, it makes me proud to be

able to help just one person. So, how do you think

you are going to do in Rio? I'm not putting a number

on it publicly. I finished 24th in Beijing

at the World Championships last year, I wasn't happy

with that whatsoever. And so, minimum is better than 24th,

but after the season I've had, I've broken records and won international

races for the first time. I'm going in with confidence that

if the next two months can be a good block of training,

I can go in there in the best possible shape I can be,

and finish a lot higher. Times on championship days

are always difficult It's right down to what happens

on the day. Sometimes races can be won a lot

slower than most people's I would like to do 20km

in about 1hr 20 again. My PB puts me right up

there close to the medals, if I can get that sort

of level of performance. I'm just going to try and go

there and do my best. Tom, we wish you the very best

of luck, hope it goes Obviously we are going to follow

your progress and hopefully we'll talk to you when you're

out there as well. .

Tom Bosworth. The I The force said it carried out.

The girl can't be identified. Her mother described her treatment as

horrific. Here, her words are spoken for her.

I've never seen anything like it in my life.

It was for me, as a mother, like watching...

I couldn't see any child like that, you know?

It would be extremely disturbing to see any child like that.

But to see your own child shackled up with leg restraints