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Vigils have been held to remember the murdered Labour MP Jo Cox.


In London, MPs laid flowers and lit candles outside Parliament.


And in the village of Birstall where she was shot and stabbed


in the street, hundreds packed into the parish church.


She was not for money or power, she was a real woman.


I am Jane Hill in Birstall where constituents of Jo Cox have been


arriving all morning to lay flowers. We will be talking to local people.


Also this morning, should Russian track-and-field athletes be allowed


As athletics chiefs meet to decide, we'll ask British


athletes what they think, following Russia's doping scandal.


Here in Paris, we're looking back at an epic day for the Home Nations


as England beat Wales, and Northern Ireland


send their travelling fans delirious with victory over Ukraine.


All three sides afre well placed to make it into the last 16


Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning


with reaction throughout the next two hours to the murder of Jo Cox.


A little later we'll be hearing from some of her closest colleagues


and we'll be asking whether security concerns will now mean our


relationship with our local MPs will have to change.


Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking


about this morning - use the hashtag #victorialive


and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.


Let's go back to Jane Hill in Birstall. Hello from Birstall, less


than ten miles from Leeds, a small market town where you really get the


sense that people still can't quite believe that British MP has lost her


life. All morning we have been standing here by one of the focal


points of the town, the local memorial here, to Joseph Priestley.


I have been watching people coming, consistently, to lay flowers. A lady


arrived a little while ago with her young daughter, for example, and she


said she just wanted to pay her respects. Jo Cox was an MP who


helped her, she had cause to go to one of her regular sessions with the


public, she wanted help for a problem, and she was very helpful


and she wanted to lay flowers for that reason. She particularly


remembered that Jo Cox leaves behind her two small children. This lady


said, I have children of a similar age myself, and was clearly very


upset at the thought of children of such a young age no longer having


their mother around. There are so many similar sentiments like that


here in this market town. The strength of feeling was illustrated


last night with a vigil in a nearby church. It was packed out with


hundreds of people attending to remember a much loved local MP. This


report from our correspondent Fiona Trott.


From all backgrounds and all faiths, they came together


A woman who was killed while working for them,


She was a people person, she was for us.


She had so much warmth and compassion.


Police say Jo Cox was stabbed and shot near Birstall village library.


She was holding a drop-in session for her local constituents.


A guy was bent over the woman, I could see her legs sticking out.


The words I heard him say was, Britain first or put Britain first,


I can't say exactly what it was, but definitely Britain first


The BBC understands the man being arrested is called The BBC


understands the man being arrested is called Tommy Mair,


Jo Cox was more than an MP, she was a wife and mother.


In a statement her husband Brendan Cox said...


The very heart of this West Yorkshire village remains


And the villagers within it are overcome with grief.


We will talk to some local people in the next few minutes but first let's


get the thoughts of Fiona Trott, because you have been here since the


shocking news emerged, and we make no apology for continuing to use the


word shock? That's right, look at all of the flowers that people have


been laying since yesterday afternoon, and when you walk around


in the local community, the cost Jo Cox was such an important member of


the community, she was so well liked and it's not difficult to find


someone who says that they were helped or inspired by her. A lady in


the hairdressers yesterday said that she had a particular problem and got


to know Jo Cox well and realised they had children of the same age,


she felt the family's loss. Another woman who was buying flowers at the


local market to bring to the memorial said that they voted for Jo


Cox and gave her a voice. That voice has been silenced. You get the


impression that this MP was interested in them and she


represented their interests. That is something that people are finding it


hard to come to terms with this morning. A brief thought as well


about the investigation and how much do we now at this stage? A


52-year-old man is still being questioned by the police. He was


named locally as Tommy Mair but that has not been confirmed by police. We


understand the house where he lives has a police presence and it was


searched yesterday. When you look around the village this morning I'm


surprised there is still a huge cordon around the heart


of the Market Square. It is still in place. None of it has been lifted


overnight and it's difficult to get into the village square. Still a


huge police presence with at least three or four police vans by the


library where this shooting happened yesterday. The 52-year-old man is


still being questioned at the moment. And it's hard not to be


simplistic at the time I guess, but it is, even I am struck by almost


the look on peoples faces and the fact people are so overwhelmed, the


fact that this just isn't meant to happen in Britain, this is not a


nation where people have ready access to firearms, and in terms of


democracy, we are built on the notion that MPs have face-to-face


contact with constituents and we can see how close we are to the library


where Jo Cox would have held her surgery, where she would have


readily met people. That is why there are so many flowers here today


and we can't stress enough how untoward, how bizarre this turn of


events is to local people? And MPs should be able to do that, shouldn't


they? They should be accessible to their constituents and yet we heard


from Rachel Reeves, another local MP, who said her surgery was closed,


safety was a concern. I spoke to one of the parents yesterday collecting


his son from school, primary school, that was in lockdown yesterday,


again, something you don't expect to hear about in Britain. He was


concerned about his child. They had no idea what was going on. Even he


said that it is not something you expect here, it is difficult for


people here to come to terms with it. Thank you very much for now. We


will be speaking with Fiona throughout the day. It is very


sobering and very moving, to read the tributes on the flowers on the


memorial behind me. To give you just one example, someone has written


simply, why? You lived for others. We will talk more about Jo Cox's


international approach and international work in a few minutes.


Hisham Runs a local cafe right in the heart of the town. Regrettably,


you saw a lot of what happened yesterday afternoon? Yes. I was in


the cafe yesterday, and I was talking to some customers having


their lunch. We were talking about the pre-match of England and Wales.


And the topics around that. Premier League, stuff like that. All of a


sudden I could see a river of people going down market Street, screaming


and shouting. It is the scene that you see in Spain running after a


Bulls. -- bull. It is not a normal scene that you see everyday. We got


out. In the back of my mind, something very shocking has


happened. I got out and I saw a guy with a baseball cap, dirty white.


And an Asian guy tried to tackle him, to stop him. There was a row of


cars and an empty space. And he was hitting and shoving him in that


area, and pulling at something. I thought he was arguing with his wife


or something. We thought it was just a man and wife dispute. So we went


back. When we heard back we heard another big screen like in a


stadium. We got out again, and this time people were screaming, no!


Things like that. We got even further and the guy pulls his hand


back and tries to grab the gun, it was probably that big. The size of


an average cucumber. It looked like the beginning of a walking stick. It


was an old-fashioned gun. Probably handmade, makeshift. It was maybe a


vintage shot gun. Something of that type. Not a modern firearm. Anyway,


all of a sudden he fires a shot and we just ducked and went into the


restaurant. As we entered, there was a second shot, and between the first


and second there was about three or four seconds, not more than five


seconds. We waited about 30 seconds and went out again and as I went


close, very close, the guy disappeared in the thing. As the


hours passed and you realise that it was your local MP who had lost her


life, give us a sense of what went through your mind and what people


were saying. Jo is a great loss. We found out that after her death, I


did not know all of her work, but especially she had a ripple effect


internationally now, because her work was really happy aspect of an


international sound, she was. An the war, helping the children of Syria,


she spoke about the Russians not entering into Syria and not bombing


there. She campaigned for several charities. In slavery and all sorts


of stuff, and she worked with the community. You know, security issues


and all sorts of stuff. That she was handling. She handled it very well.


I think Jo has left an unfinished job. I think peace and peace, she


was such a peaceful lady, she has left two kids and a husband. It's a


difficult day for everybody here, I realise that. We must let you go. We


came together for the Labour elections. It's a great loss. Thank


you very much indeed, reflecting very much the view of so many people


here and a lot of what Hicham, who owns a local cafe, has been echoed


in the tributes and cards that people have written with their


flowers. I mentioned the vigil last night, the local church was packed


with people remembering Jo Cox and giving thanks for all her work. The


Bishop of Huddersfield is with me. You spoke at last night's vigil. The


right Reverend Jonathan Gibbs. What are your thoughts at this extremely


difficult time for the community? Yesterday was an enormous shock for


everybody. None of us could believe the news as it began to filter


through, and I think last night it was the community coming together in


shock, there were three or 400 people there, wonderful


representation from across the community and faith groups, and many


of our political representatives, for whom it was an enormously


difficult occasion. The community needed to come together and the


church was able to provide a space for people to begin to grieve.


And people have been signing a Book of Remembrance, and I noticed that


one of the local churches was pointing out that people of all


faiths and none have been signing the book. The point is that Jo Cox


was a hard-working MP, and that is what unites people. Absolutely, she


was a woman of this community, she was born here, she went to school


here, she wanted to serve the people of the community in which she grew


up. Her family still live here, her parents, and the affection and


respect in which he was held across different communities is very clear.


I was able to speak to some of our Muslim friends and brothers last


night, representing their community, and they spoke of her with enormous


warmth. She was held in great affection and with great respect


right across the communities, and she will be terribly missed. The


fact that she went to Westminster to represent the area she grew up in,


that is actually quite unusual in politics, and I get the sense that


was hugely important to her and, therefore, to your worshippers, her


constituents. Absolutely, I mean it is something very special, and she


went into politics with a passion, wanting to make a difference,


wanting to make a difference for the people of this community. I know,


from talking with people today, that she would be willing to stop and


listen and hear concerns. I saw that. One minutes playing with their


children on the floor after a church service, then get in up and talking


to people and engaging with people. She was a woman of passion and


compassion for the people she served, especially in this community


which she so loved. What will your role be in the coming days? There


are still difficult days ahead, but particularly for her family, but for


local people as well. Sure. Obviously, in terms of ministering


to the family has cells, her parents live in one of the neighbouring


villages, they are connected with the local church, and they are


involved in caring for them. One of the league leaders worked with Jo


and was with her when she died, so the Church is very much involved in


supporting them. We offered a place for people to come together and


grieve, and we will continue to offer that space, because there will


be a range of different emotions going on - shock and sadness, and


Bobley Anderson too, and we need to support one another through this


very difficult time. -- and probably anger too. Thank you for your time,


the Bishop of Huddersfield. So much of what the bishop was saying there


is reflected in these remembrances on the flowers behind me. To leave


you with one final thought, Naseem, who laid flowers here, says simply,


we have lost one of the good ones. From here in Birstall in Yorkshire,


for now, it is back to the studio. Lots of you getting in touch with


your tributes to Jo Cox, James on Facebook, rest in peace, Jo, you


were an inspiration and will never be forgotten for the good work you


have done, always full of passion, you will be sadly missed. My


thoughts and prayers to a family and friends in this tragic time. Anthony


on Facebook, so sorry to hear about Jo Cox, this is too sad for words.


Philip said, I cannot recall being so upset at the death of someone I


never met, the most decent people killed by hatred. May his soul rest


in peace. Mike has texted, to honour and respect the memory of such a


promising young lass and one of our own MPs, both sides of the


referendum must now clean up their campaigns, being as honest and open


as young Jo Cox was. And from John, a very tragic loss of life. Lots of


tribute being paid to Jo Cox, not just in Britain, but from around the


world and in her constituency hundreds of local people came


together to remember their MP, who they say never forgot that she had


been elected to serve their constituents.


She were lovely, weren't she? Yeah, really lovely.


Not what we expected, was she? No.


Because we did expect, grammar school, Cambridge,


we thought, oh God, she's going to be a snob.


But no, far from it. Absolutely lovely.


I wrote to her a few times, actually.


She always replied, and she was so approachable.


Candles were lit outside Westminster, the Prime Minister said


Parliament had lost a great start, and Jeremy Corbyn led tributes,


praising her deep commitment to humanity.


A real servant of democracy in every way one could want or imagine.


A wonderful woman, parliamentarian, mother, wife.


Her life has been taken through an act of warped hatred.


Jo fought to help the refugees from the Syrian civil war.


She gave a voice to those whose cry for help


and I know it contributed to a change in policy.


She will never know how many lives she helped to transform.


The Leeds Central MP, Hilary Benn,


who's a long-time friend, tweeted, "May you rest eternal, Jo."


"We were all so proud to have known you and to call you our friend."


US presidential contender Hillary Clinton


has also spoken of a "cruel and terrible assassination".


The American Secretary of State said the attack


was "an assault on everybody who cares about democracy".


Canadian MP Nathan Cullen, who's a friend of Jo Cox,


Jo Cox used her voice for those who had none.


She dedicated her passion to those who needed it most,


and she harnessed her limitless love,


even and especially for those who allowed hate to consume them.


Her husband Brendan said it beautifully, she would have wanted


two things above all else to happen now,


that our children are bathed in love,


and that we all unite to fight


against the hatred that killed her.


To Brendan and Jo's beautiful children, we express our


deepest condolences. Excuse me.


Let's talk to two of her friends and Labour colleagues now.


Anna Turley became an MP at the same time as Jo last year.


And Clive Betts is the MP for Sheffield South East.


Anna, you started in Parliament with Jo after last year's


general election and formed quite a bond?


It is heartbreaking, you look at these photographs of this vibrant


woman and cannot believe it has happened. Exactly, it is just so


difficult to comprehend and to process, such an act of unspeakable


wickedness and hatred to somebody who was such a good soul, such a


kind heart, so compassionate, so decent. Those smiling pictures you


see in the paper, that is what we saw every day with Jo, she always


smiled, always bundles of energy, effervescent, she fizzed with


energy, passion and commitment. She was just inspiring, someone you


looked up to unfold, wow, she is making a difference, and impact on


the world. -- and thought. She will be held in so much honour and esteem


by her legs in parliament, but all of our hearts go out to her family,


who have lost the most wonderful mother and wife, and we think of


them today. You talk about someone who had such an impact, having only


been an MP for a year, but she clearly shone out. What was the


first that you came across, the first time you came across her?


Well, I mean, I had met her before, but when she stood out for me


exceptionally was when she got agent questions on issues like Syria and


Iraq Yuji. We have it in your programme about what a brilliant


constituency MP she was. -- and refugees. But she was a global


citizen who strove to leave the world a better place than she


founded, and that inspired as the most. I think of a massive smile,


she seemed to have more hours in the day than everybody else. I remember


going to have bowed once for an evening dinner, and we got back


late, and you have prepared a three course meal. -- back to her boat. We


laughed at the time and called her superwoman, she was phenomenal, I do


not know how she did it. All we can do to pay tribute is to try to take


forward the issues that she wanted us to take on, to live with love, to


tackle bigotry and hatred and hostility where ever we see it,


particularly in political debate, we all have a responsibility to take


that forward. What are your thoughts of Jo this morning? Just reflecting


what Anna was saying, the last time I remember seeing Jo was walking


across Portcullis House, with that wonderful bouncy stride, she turned


and smiled with that great, infectious smile, and she was so


full of life and determination. It was not just for its own sake, it


was a behalf of other people, pushing forward causes, whether in


her constituency or on the international stage. I just reflect


now on the comments she made in a maiden speech. There is more that


unites us than divides us, and she applied that whether representing


all the people in her constituency, from many different backgrounds,


face and ethnicities, or on the international stage, where she


campaigned for countries to come together to solve problems on the


global stage. That was a wonderful approach she had delight, and so


much passion, so much intelligence, but a wonderfully nice, pleasant


person as well. What an enormous loss. Just the sort of person you


would want as an MP, what promise did her career hold? In must


promise, because she was passionate, she was determined, she could be


very forceful in making arguments. But because of the way, she made


them, because she was so approachable, a genuinely nice


person, I think she carried that with more conviction. She did not


antagonise people or upset them with aggression. She sought to persuade


them by reasoned and rational argument in a most wonderful way.


And therefore I think she had a great future haired offer, because


people took her seriously and really had high regard for her. -- ahead of


her. We're just saying goodbye to viewers on BBC One, but we will


continue talking on BBC News. So sorry to interrupt you there,


Clive, but clearly a woman who was greatly loved. Absolutely, and you


have heard tributes in the last few hours across the political divide,


even when Members of Parliament might disagree, they recognise his


sincerity and recognise the sort of person she was, open and honest and


decent. And she had enormous respect for those personal attributes, as


well as for the campaigns and principles she fought for. Did she


ever speak to you about any security concerns? It has emerged that there


had been some issues, it seems absolutely not related to what has


happened, but security had been looked at. Well, it she did not


mention any specific concerns, but all the time about the increasing


nature of hostility and aggression, particularly towards female MPs,


particularly on social media. Many of us who came in last year were


quite shocked and taken aback at how much aggression there is targeted


towards MPs, most of us come to try and do public service, and Jo was


the best of the best at that, and we often talk together, Jo, myself and


others, about how distressed we were about the aggression, hostility and


the nature of the debate. We were all reviewing our security, and I


think it needs to be looked at. Jo would not have wanted us to be


hiding behind walls, our job is to be in the community, to be at


surgeries, public events, to see people. We chat to people when we


are doing shopping, walking out dogs. This is our job, to be amongst


the people, we cannot hide from that, everything that is good and


great about our job, Jo embraced that. Clive, do you think that


security needs to change? How do you balance that in parrot for MPs to be


accessible? Well, security is being reviewed all the time, and we don't


talk about details of that, but in the House of Commons you can see,


when I became an MP in 1992, people could walk up to the main reception


desk and just ask to see add MP. Now you have to go through significant


security checks and there are an police around the Palace of


Westminster. Different in the constituency, nobody would want


armed police following us around, and all MPs will be dealing with


people whose benefits have been stopped, who are facing eviction


from their homes, who need help from their MPs. We cannot refuse to see


people in those circumstances because of security worries. So


there is always a challenge, we have always got to be careful and


sensitive about it. But in the end, we are elected by our constituents,


and we have to be there for our constituents when they need us. The


bishop was talking about the emotions that people will be


feeling, the sadness, the last - but also the anger, how are you feeling


this morning? -- the loss. I am still struggling to process it, I


think there will be several stages of grief to go through. There is


some talk of recalling Parliament, and some of us want to come together


to share our grief and memories of Jo, and to think about her and how


she would have wanted us to go forward. It is just a shocking time,


but as I say, mostly our thoughts are with her family, who wonderful


husband and children, because at the end of the day this is what is most


important, and it is then that we think of today.


Thank you very much for joining us and sharing your memories. Let us


know your thoughts, all of the usual ways of getting in touch. Still to


come, should Russian track and field athletes be allowed to compete after


the doping scandal? We will ask British athletes what they think.


Let's catch up with the day 's news with a neater. -- Anita.


Vigils have been held for the Labour MP Jo Cox, who died yesterday


after being shot and stabbed in an assault in her constituency.


The 41-year-old mother became an MP in the general election last year.


David Cameron said the killing was tragic and dreadful news.


She was attacked in the village of Birstall


after she held her constituency surgery.


Russian athletes will find out later today whether they will be allowed


following claims of widespread doping.


Members of the world governing body of athletics


are meeting in Vienna to make the decision.


The team was suspended earlier this year


following a damning report into alleged drug use.


Barack Obama has made a new appeal for greater gun-control measures


to be introduced in the United States.


The US President met survivors and relatives


He's calling on the Republican-controlled Congress


to pass new legislation following the attack.


As has been true too many times before, I held and hugged grieving


family members and they asked why this keeps happening and they


pleaded that we do more to stop the carnage.


The Labour Party has held the south-London constituency


of Tooting in the by-election sparked by Sadiq Kahn's


Junior doctor Rosena Allin-Khan won with a majority of more than 6,000.


A two-minute silence was held during the count


Allin-Khan chose not to make a victory speech


Two drugs which work together to shrink tumours in skin cancer


have been approved for use by the NHS in England.


In trials, the treatment, called combination therapy,


shrank the most aggressive type of skin cancer in most patients.


The move to approve the drugs is one of the fastest in NHS history


and is likely to influence similar decisions elsewhere in the UK.


The American rock star Meat Loaf has been taken to hospital


after collapsing on stage during a concert in Canada.


Fans at last night's concert in Edmonton saw the 68-year-old


while performing his hit song I'd Do Anything For Love.


Canadian media reported the music venue was then cleared


Meat Loaf had previously cancelled two recent concerts due to illness.


That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at ten.


Thank you. Let's catch up with the sport. Sally is in Paris. Good


morning. If you're an England or Northern Ireland fan this morning


you probably will still be celebrating, but heartbreak for


Welsh bands after seeing their side concede a last-minute goal


yesterday. We will start with Northern Ireland, they beat Ukraine


2-0 which keeps them with a chance of qualifying for the knockout


stages. Gareth McAuley put them ahead before they had to overcome


bizarre summer conditions. A huge hailstorm briefly caused the match


to be suspended and players and officials ran for cover. It did not


hold them back for long, despite heavy Ukrainian pressure Niall


McGinn poked home a second goal lead in stoppage time to spark wild


celebrations. A night to remember. We did not just come here to making


up the numbers. Getting here is just a party from now on and it's a


bonus, we are not here to make up the numbers, watch out the Germans,


we are coming for you. It's amazing, the last ten minutes were so nerve


wracking, you could feel the tension. My prediction was 2-0, I'm


glad we won, bring on Germany. 30 years of being a Northern Ireland


fan, now I know why I've done it. They change the formation and had a


completely different approach, the horizontal rain did it! Fantastic.


It's a proud day for me, for the country as well. The first win in


the European Championships, it's our first time so it must be our first


win! The level of performance is what I'm most proud of, the players


reacted to the defeat in the first game and the disappointment of the


first game. I thought today every of was magnificent. The rain was


obviously the thing that helped! England are now top of group B after


the 2-1 win over Wales, their first victory at this championship. Daniel


Sturridge scored in injury time to clinch the dramatic win. Wales had


lead at half-time before Roy Hodgson made a double substitution which


paid off as Jamie Vardy equalised and then Daniel Sturridge put them


on the brink of qualification with his goal, and that prompted


jubilation from the manager! As you saw on the bench, probably the most


spontaneous exhibition if you like of pure joy from myself and the


coaching staff that we have seen for a fair while, but that is what these


tournaments do to you, they make certain that you suffer. When you go


into a game of this magnitude and up against that quality, you have to do


something special to get something out of it and I thought the guys


showed such heart, they stuck in the game, and with 30 seconds, 60


seconds remaining to give up that point that we worked so hard to get,


that was disappointing. I think you will like this, if you want to


impress the Queen, here's how. Jockey Ryan Moore Road Order Of


Saint George to victory in the Gold Cup at Ascot, have a look at this. I


say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, you can't get much more


colour-coordinated than that! Her Majesty looked quite pleased about


that as well. We will have more sport throughout the morning. You


picked their colours first? Maybe she was paying tribute to him. I


would imagine it would be the Queen. Thank you very much, Sally. Let's


talk more about the loss of Jo Cox. She has been described as a devoted


wife and mother of two Her husband Brendan posted this


photo and said she had an energy and a zest for life


that would exhaust most people. The couple divided their time


between her Batley and Spen constituency in West Yorkshire and


living in a houseboat on the Thames, The commute to Westminster was out


of the ordinary, too. Usually I'm hoping I'll be zipping


down to the House of Commons, which is about half an hour away


from where I live on the boat, Now this is the way to start


the day, isn't it? Yorkshire born and bred,


Jo Cox only became an MP last year, of representing her "proud,


no-nonsense" constituency. The spirit of nonconformity


is as prevalent now in my part of West Yorkshire,


as it was in the time of my two immediate predecessors,


Mike Wood and Elizabeth Peacock. They were both known


for their own brand of independent, nonconformist service,


albeit in very different ways. And I intend to maintain


that established tradition, Before her election,


she was a tireless She spent ten years


in international development, which took her to conflict


zones around the world. She met her husband Brendan working


for Oxfam, who have described her as a "passionate campaigner


on humanitarian issues". She also worked closely


with Sarah Brown, the wife of former


Prime Minister Gordon Brown. When we spoke to her last October


ahead of a Commons debate on Syria, she called repeatedly for Britain


to do more to help the victims


of Syria's civil war. working in many conflicts zones


all around the world. I've seen that military


intervention can save lives. It did in Kosovo, it did in Bosnia,


it did in Sierra Leone. There is a case that can be made,


when you've got an intervention grounded in the protection


of innocent civilians, My big proposal tonight


in the House of Commons, when we debate this, will be I think


the Government should consider a no-bombing zone,


to stop President Assad raining down aerial bombardment


on innocent civilians, killing children and grandmothers,


and mums and dads, to change the battlefield dynamic


and force him to the table. Jo Cox's colleagues in the House of


Commons are clearly in shock at what happened. Carole Walker is in


Westminster to talk about the impact that she had in that very short


political career. She was passionate, and by all accounts a


very good woman? Absolutely. You got a real sense of how strongly


motivated she was there when she came to Parliament, she was only


here for a year, but she really made her mark in that time, she was


already marked out as a rising star, someone who would have had such a


great future ahead of her, she brought all of that experience of


working around the world for aid agencies, and here in Parliament she


continued to campaign passionately to help some of the most


disadvantaged around the world. And I think that is why you have seen


such warm and glowing tributes from right across the Houses of


Parliament, for someone who really cared about what she was doing, but


was really motivated to try to help others in society. And of course


somebody who got along so well with so many people, very approachable


and personable, often turning up at Parliament with her two young


children, now sadly grieved. Many MPs will be thinking of her family


and their loss today. Ordinary politics has been suspended for now,


and it is hard to imagine how things move forward, what will be happening


there? Well, you are right. Campaigning in the EU referendum has


been temporarily suspended, all of the campaigns did that as a mark of


respect last night. It is not yet clear when that will resume. The


campaigns will simply have to try to judge the public mood and decide


when they think it is appropriate to return to that. It will be


interesting to see whether her death does affect the tone of the


campaign, which had become pretty frenetic and personal and of a very


highly pressurised nature. It will be interesting to see whether the


tone remains somewhat more subdued and quiet. There has been talk of


possibly recalling Parliament, clearly there is nothing crucial for


Parliament to decide. MPs may well pay tribute. No firm decisions on


that yet, but I think MPs are still thinking about the loss of such a


bright, a bold, capable MP. And of course the loss felt by her family.


Thank you, Carol. Until yesterday, the last attack


on an MP was against the Labour He was stabbed in the stomach by


a student in his east London office. But in spite of that,


he doesn't want to make it harder After I was attacked,


six years ago now, the police spoke to every MP about their arrangements


in their constituency surgeries, There may be things


that can be done. What none of us would want is a big


change in the culture of our country, which would make it


much harder for people to get After I was attacked,


the police said to me, would you like a metal


arch, a metal detector But the problem with that would be,


it would make going to see your MP a pretty unpleasant experience,


and none of us want that to happen. I want my constituents


to come and talk to me, and I don't want to make it


hard for them to do so. Dr David James is the co-founder


of the Fixated Threat Assessment Centre, a Home Office unit


which examines security risks to politicians


and other public figures. Thank you for joining us. There has


been a survey done of MPs, and what they encounter and how vulnerable


they feel, what does that survey show? It has shown that around 80%


of MPs have been subject to intrusive harassment by


constituents. But nearly a fifth of all MPs have suffered some sort of


attack or attempted attack during their time in Parliament. We know


quite a lot about this now. There are two very important facts. The


first is that most of the people who attack politicians are mentally ill


owners with some personal grievance. The second thing is that most of


them give some sort of warning behaviour of what they make you want


to do in the form of threatening letters or difficult visits to the


constituency. The Nigel Jones case was won in point, you will remember


that in his constituency surgery he was attacked and his aide was


killed. This was 16 years ago. Yes. The aggressor in that incident had


been to the constituency surgery dozens of times before, raving in a


paranoid fashion. There was no mechanism to deal with it. This is


why the Home Office setup the fixated threat assessment centre


which is there to have difficult behaviours referred to it, so it can


assess and manage risk from mucking up warning behaviour is reported to


it. It relies on MPs actually bringing matters to its attention.


One of the problems is that MPs, some MPs tend to see this sort of


aggressive behaviour as just something that goes with the job. It


isn't and it shouldn't be. What would you say the answers are? We


are hearing from Steven Timms even, who was attacked and badly injured


as a result, even he says, actually, in the end, the balance of being


open as a constituency MP versus security means that he would prefer


openness. Obviously everyone will have a different perspective but how


do you see it? Where should the balance be?


Well, I would agree with what he said, but because people give


warning signs of what they may go on to do, it is important that these


are brought to the attention of the authorities. MPs are reluctant to


complain to the police or us about the behaviour of their constituents.


There is a worry that they may be seen as shopping their constituents.


But actually these people are mentally ill and in need of


attention. So if MPs do report them to the authorities, they are likely


to end up getting the psychiatric care that they need and have not had


before. There are things that can be done, but it is at that sort of


level. We certainly don't want to have fortified constituency


surgeries. Thank you for joining us, Dr David James. One tweet from Ali,


Jo's legacy will remain in our hearts for ever. Seeing the footage


is both inspiring and heartbreaking. Heather has tweeted, saddened and


shocked by the killing of Jo Cox, she was born for a purpose and


lifted by showing kindness and peace. She challenged the things


that isolate Westminster from the public, conviction politician and


local MP. Sarah on Facebook, we are talking about our memories of Jo Cox


and the thing she inspired us to do, I am on it to have been able to call


such an inspirational lady a friend and to have shared moments of life


with her. Thank you for your thoughts, keep letting us know your


thoughts this morning. The usual ways of getting in touch.


Should Russian track and field athletes be allowed to compete


They were suspended from international competitions


last November after a damning report by the World Anti-Doping Agency.


The agency described a culture of cheating


and what it called state-sponsored doping.


Later today, the International Association of Athletics Federations


- headed by Lord Coe - will decide whether Russia has


changed enough for its athletes to be allowed to travel to Rio.


But what exactly did Russian athletes do wrong?


It's the worst doping scandal in history.


It could all end with a full Olympic ban for Russia.


But how did we get here in the first place?


Talk of Russian doping has been around for years.


Just days before the Beijing Olympics,


seven athletes were suspended for providing fake urine samples.


Four years later in London, and Russia had a successful Games.


A total of 71 medals in what was called the Clean Olympics.


In 2014, a German TV station broadcast claims


that most Russian athletes were using banned substances,


could make positive tests disappear for cash.


The World Anti-Doping Agency set up an independent commission


to look into the claims, headed by this man,


The same TV station and the Sunday Times


this time claiming that so-called blood doping is rife in athletics,


with 80% of Russia's medal winners under suspicion.


It said the sport's governing body, the IAAF,


had done next to nothing to stop it.


The then front-runner to lead that organisation, Lord Coe,


Nobody here is questioning the right of a news organisation,


a newspaper, to challenge, to kick the tyres,


to forensically examine the work of our federation.


To say we are sitting here on our hands


simply not investigating, or turning a blind eye to this,


and Wada's independent commission published its findings.


Russia was guilty of systemic state-sponsored doping.


Our recommendation is that the Russian Federation be suspended.


said it had retested frozen samples from the two most recent Games.


31 athletes from the Beijing Olympics failed those retests,


23 athletes from London also failed, eight of those were again Russian.


Sport chiefs must now decide if the country is doing enough


for the ban to be lifted, or whether its athletes should now


be stopped from travelling to the Rio Games.


In the studio with me is Olympic relay runner Andrew Steele,


who competed in the 2008 Beijing Olympics.


He's been told he could now be awarded a bronze medal


after coming fourth behind the Russian team back then.


And also part of the conversation is former swimmer and Olympic silver


medallist Sharron Davies, who appealed to have her medal


upgraded after allegations of doping came to light.


Thank you for joining us. Andrew, explained where you are with


possibly being upgraded to bronze from fourth place eight years later.


Yeah, quite a bizarre scenario eight years, looking back at the Beijing


Olympic Games. We finished fourth in the relay, the fastest time to ever


not win a medal. And so we finished just behind the Russian team, who


ran an unusually fast time, unexpectedly so. So if we see that


the B samples come back positive, the A samples did test positive, we


stand to be upgraded to third, and the process of awarding those medals


goes ahead. How do you feel about it? You were robbed of the podium


moment. No, that is the most bothersome part for me. A lot of


people will say, think of the endorsements you could have had as


an Olympic medallist, but what matters to me is that we did not get


that moment of joy, of recognition for our hard work at the time. You


cannot ever really get that back. In this bizarre mixture of a Venn


diagram of joy and anger, where they cross, it is a very bizarre feeling.


I would be thrilled to call myself a medallist, but angry that I did not


get to experience it at the time eight years ago. So you are hoping


to compete in Rio, how would you feel about competing alongside


Russian athletes? I would not feel that comfortable with the idea. I


believe personally there has to be quite a harsh stand made, and clean


athletes will get caught up in this, like there will be the unfortunate


cases of clean Russian athletes, if Russia are bad, who do not get to


compete at the Olympic Games. But I cannot see any way to send a clear


message that the sport is transforming other than to Ban


Russia as a whole. If the assessment is that they think enough is being


done, would you take that at face value? Probably not. Wada released a


report on their recent activity in Russia over the last 6-9 months, and


it didn't paint a very clean picture. It doesn't appear from my


point of view that the right moves have been made to make sure the


sport is clean in Russia. And if that is the case, I really would not


be all that comfortable competing against Russian athletes in Rio.


Sharron, you lost out to a gold medal to an athlete, a swimmer,


later tested positive for banned substances. That was even longer ago


for you, how do you feel about everything? Well, I am still very


much involved with swimming, and ICO athletes competing against people


who have tested positive ones. -- I see our athletes. I think we have to


work on bigger deterrence. The Russians are not getting their house


in order, this is a state system, not individuals. This is a


state-sponsored system, so the only way we can make the Russians behave


and do proper testing internally is to come down on the whole country.


Personally, I would like to see the whole country, not just track and


field, because we can be sure it is not just track and field that is


doing this. Do you think much has changed? No, sadly not. That report


that has just been talked about, over the past few months there have


been 700 tests, many of them cancelled, objects put in front of


the testers to make it difficult for them to get to the athletes. 111


tests were the athletes could not be found, 58 positive tests. That is


not change. So Russian athletes at Rio, yes no? Personally, I would


love to see them not there. They have to give a strong deterrent for


things to change. You talked about my particular situation, that was


the East Germans many years ago. We knew at the time, you could see it,


to be honest, they had huge success, nobody did anything about it. There


were two victims, people like myself, whose lives could have been


different, people who were fourth, maybe could have been medallists,


but also those athletes themselves, taking drugs with no idea what the


long-term effects are. We should be protecting the clean athletes but


also those who have been persuaded to take drugs as well. So then they


knew, they did not categorically no, but there were signs. Does everybody


look at each other with suspicion? Unfortunately so, I think, now.


Certain countries have said they read like more than others, Russia


was one of those, thanks to, I guess some high profile cases over the


past. We were suspicious when we finished fourth. If we said we would


run to: 58, we thought we would have a chance of a medal, and we did not


expect Russia to do that. Sometimes people perform better than expected,


but we were certainly suspicious, and it seems, this many years later,


that perhaps we were vindicated in our suspicion at the time. You have


signed a letter to Wada, asking for all countries to be looked at, what


do you want to happen? I just think that we really need to move to a new


plane of what is normal for sport here. We are losing faith in


athletics, in particular. The sport has been really degraded by these


ongoing doping scandals. We need to make a clear stand against even the


federation as a whole, and that is a big step, one of the biggest


decisions we will ever have in Olympic sport, I guess. But I cannot


see we will change without doing that. It will be unfair on a few,


but how else will we do this? We need all our resources and deterrent


available to make a change. So the public can reignite their love for


the sport and be sure that what they see is a true performance. Sharron,


you are nodding. It is just so sad, and people watch the Olympics and do


not know whether it is a drug aided win or not. I just want a healthier


nation, I want people to be involved in sport and to love doing it, and


we need to work harder to get drug cheats out. Sharron Davies, Andrew


steel, thank you very much. Good luck, you are still waiting to hear


if you are going to Rio. Coming up, the NHS in England agrees to fund


two pioneering drugs that fight skin cancer, we will have the details.


Now, let's catch up with the latest weather update with Matt Taylor, how


are things looking? Stormy once again, have you managed


to avoid them? No, keep getting caught! The Weather Watchers


pictures have been capturing the scene, lots of lightning across the


UK, some particularly severe storms, this one not far from Heathrow,


having an impact on the roads, and airports have been suffering as


operations have to be reduced. As well as the lightning, we have seen


hail and flooding, and reports quite widely across parts of Oxfordshire


of a funnel cloud, a prequel set to tornadoes. -- precursor. That is not


uncommon in the UK, but we're not done with the storms yet, and there


will be more storms today across the UK, some of them quite severe once


again. It is towards parts of the south-east, East Anglia, we have


already got thunderstorms rumbling away. It is not just here where wet


weather will be confined, a damp day across eastern Scotland and the


north-east of England. Lots of cloud, though, sunshine breaking


through with lift temperatures across southern areas, and the


storms going again. East Anglia and the south-east of the worst ones


today, we have to watch conditions closer to Queens and Ascot. In


between the areas, there will be heavy showers around, we cannot rule


out the odd rumble of thunder, but perhaps not as bad as elsewhere.


Further rain, in the north, brightness to the western parts of


Scotland, Northern Ireland, the Isle of Man. In the East of Scotland, and


other cool day, heavy rain around Aberdeenshire and the Moray Firth.


Through tonight, storms for a time across the south, they will ease


away, rain across eastern Scotland slides down through easternmost


counties of England, a bit of a breeze here. Not desperately cold,


not much lower than double figures for many. It did a weekend, a sign


of some good news, goodbye to the storms, this area of high pressure


kicks the storms into northern parts of Europe, and it keeps things much


dry for many of us. But a completely dry story on Saturday, central and


eastern England rather grey, cool, rain and drizzle at times. Nowhere


near the intensity of rain as we have seen of late. Most of you will


have a dry Saturday, the best warmth across western areas, where


temperatures will get into the high teens. As we go into Sunday, it is


eastern areas where we will most likely see the driest and brightest


weather, and the warmest too. In the West, lots of cloud, patchy rain and


drizzle, later in the day more in the way of heavy rain. By and large,


compare to this week, the storms are easing, the weekend looking much


better, and that is also the same in Kazakhstan, where we have got


showers at the moment. Tim Peake returns to earth tomorrow and it is


looking brighter across central Kazakhstan, where he is expected to


land during tomorrow morning. That is how it is looking, see you soon.


Hello it's Friday, it's ten o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling,


Welcome to the programme if you've just joined us.


Tributes continue to flood in for the murdered Labour MP Jo Cox.


Last night vigils were held outside Parliament and in


the village of Birstall, where she was shot and stabbed.


Her fellow Labour MP and friend Anna Turley has given


us her own recollections of Jo Cox...


Those smiling pictures you see in the paper, that is what we saw every


day, she was always smiling, bundles of energy, she was fizzing with


energy and passion and commitment. I'm Jane Hill in Birstall, where


local people are arriving in the Market Square all the time to lay


flowers. Many simply saying thank you.


Also this morning - a charity is accusing the government


of ignoring the issue of who cares for our increasingly


We'll speak to people who are worried about who'll care for them -


Lots of you getting in touch to pay tribute to Jo Cox this morning. John


on Facebook, still can't quite believe the events of yesterday and


that she is no longer with us. I first met her during the general


election campaign in the summer of 2014, we did not always see eye to


eye from a political point of view but I was amazed by how she


connected with people and she was so caring, embracing everything in


front of her, she would always find time for you even know she was so


busy. An e-mail from Sarah, we had a wonderful party on her boat where my


children were inspired by her fighting and campaigning nature,


they became little campaign is because of her. I am privileged to


have shared moments of life with her. Thank you for your comments.


Keep getting in touch. All of the usual ways. If you text you will be


charged that the standard network rate. Let's get back to Jane Hill.


We are spending most of the morning looking at the death of Jo Cox and


Jane is in Birstall for us. Good morning. From Birstall. Where people


are arriving all the time here in the Market Square, to lay flowers,


people of all ages, backgrounds, people bringing their children. It


is a market town. Now, with a somewhat unwelcome media presence.


Journalists from here and overseas as well, not just British


journalists, such is the extraordinary nature of what has


gone on in the past 24 hours, local people who simply can't believe that


this has happened. As the Yorkshire Post says this morning, a young


woman murdered in the line of duty. The messages are extraordinarily


touching, it is very moving to read them. A lot of cards simply say


thank you. One lady in the last few minutes has laid the statuette of an


angel and the cards simply says, you worked so hard for us all, and that


is one of the things you pick up on from what people are saying, the


feeling that Jo Cox really was a terribly hard-working and well liked


local MP. She was from this area, of course. She said herself that she


was so proud to represent the part of the country that she grew up in.


And those local routes very much welcomed and celebrated, and people


remembering that here today. And last night. There was a digital in


the church last night. -- a vigil. The church was full. Fiona Trott was


there and has Trump now. From all backgrounds


and all faiths, they came together A woman who was killed


while working for them, She was a people person,


she was for us. She had so much warmth


and compassion. Police say Jo Cox was stabbed and


shot near Birstall village library. She was holding a drop-in session


for her local constituents. A guy was bent over the woman,


I could see her legs sticking out. The words I heard him say


was, "Britain first" I can't say exactly what it was,


but definitely "Britain first" The BBC understands the man


being arrested is called The BBC understands the man being arrested


is called Tommy Mair, Jo Cox was more than an MP,


she was a wife and mother. In a statement her husband


Brendan Cox said... The very heart of this


West Yorkshire village remains And the villagers within it


are overcome with grief. Fiona is now with me. As people come


and lay flowers, what is striking is that many people still have tears in


their eyes, people asked Gill stunned. They are, they are walking


around in a daze. -- they still are stunned. The school was on lockdown


yesterday and they are now trying to get on with their daily business and


it's very hard, the heart of the community, the Market Square is


still cordoned off, there is a huge police presence. And of course with


the media presence that you mentioned, it has hit them that this


did happen yesterday, it is very hard for them to come to terms with


it. They are trying to come to terms with it by laying floral tributes.


They are continuing to grow, and the messages talk about a woman who was


interested in their lives, interested in their local campaigns


for a pedestrian crossing and one woman mentioned she had a particular


personal problem that the MP was helping her with. She got to know


her. They both had children of the same age. She really felt the loss


for her family. Another message says, she will be remembered for her


tireless work for the less fortunate. You get the impression


from speaking to people that Jo Cox represented their interests but she


was also very interested in them and it will be hard to come to terms


with it. The fact that she was born and bred in the region plays an


important part here, the Bishop of Huddersfield who we spoke to in the


past hour picked up on that, and you get the sense that it was hugely


important to her and she was proud to represent the part


of the country where she grew up, and it resonated and it meant


something to her constituents? It really does. In this part of the


world that means a lot. Someone has left a message that says, for eight


Yorkshire Rose. The bishop said that she had passion and compassion. --


for a Yorkshire rose. You always get a story about every background and


every faith, and that was reflected in the vigil last night. And the


thoughts about the police investigation, because there is


still a lot of police in evidence and police tape crossing the entire


Market Square and it is closed off, it is quite a wide police cordoned.


What do we know at this stage? I wonder if we can turn the camera


around to the streets, I can see out of the corner of my eye, a fingertip


search is going on. It looks like an officer is using a rod. They are


checking drains. That is the area outside the library where Jo Cox was


stabbed and shot yesterday. Still, 52-year-old man has been arrested


and is still being questioned by police today, and you can still see


here this morning, this huge police cordoned, huge police presence, this


investigation is very much continuing. We will talk again a


little later, thank you for now. We will talk to local people throughout


the day here as you would expect. For now, from here in Birstall, back


to you. We can now speak to two more of Jo's


friends and Labour colleagues. Caroline Flint attended the vigil


in Birstall last night Thank you for joining us. Just a


terribly sad day. Yes it is. I think it's important, you know, everything


everyone has said about how wonderful and MP she has been, but


also what she brought to her commitment and passion to helping


those less fortunate in her life before becoming an MP is important.


We have lost someone who had so much more to give. The vigil must have


been hard so soon after something so shocking. What were emotions like?


It must have been very raw? Yes, it was, but I think people were coming


together from Birstall and the surrounding areas, myself and


colleagues and others from the Labour Party, and it was a chance to


just come together, to hold each other, to think of Jo and take a bit


of time out from obviously a lot of discussion about what has happened


to really focus on the most important thing, thinking about Jo


Cox and her family. When you think about her, what do you remember?


What I remember is very much what everyone has been saying, someone


who was so positive, someone who had worked in some of the most difficult


parts of the world, but like many people who get elected was


throwing her heart and soul into being the best she could as an MP.


It is so poignant in terms of what happened because much of what MPs do


is only seen through what we see in the chamber of the House of Commons.


There is such another important side to that part of our lives. Very much


feet on the ground and working in the constituency and she was just


there for the people she grew up with, doing her best, doing her


duty. That obviously brings you into close contact with anybody who wants


to get up close. The events that the constituency surgeries are well


advertised, anyone can turn up. Have you had concerns and had you ever


spoken to her about security concerns about anything like that?


No. But I think over the years MPs share some of the things that we


face and how to handle bump. -- handle them. It is part of our


democracy that is very good and positive, I have spoken to MPs from


other parts of Europe and America and other parts of the world and


they are astonished at the very up close and personal relationship that


we have with our constituents and it's a very good thing. I think we


also have to be mindful of not just our security but those of our staff


as well. And sometimes you have to deal


I also recall that only recently she shared with myself and others that


she could not make something because she was applying camomile lotion to


the chickenpox spots of... With myself and others, she shared that


she could not make something because she was applying camomile motion to


the... Sorry, we have lost our line to


Caroline Flint, but remembering her friend and colleague, Jo Cox, as so


many are this morning. Normal Parliamentary business is suspended


for now, campaigning in the referendum is suspended. It is not


clear when campaigning will resume, but there was supposed to be a big


set these events tonight, Andrew Neil talking to Iain Duncan Smith


for the latest in his head to head interviews on the referendum. That


is not going to be going ahead. There are also some calls for


Parliament to be recalled, as MPs struggled to come to terms with what


has happened. And we were hearing from one MP, who was a close friend


of Jo Cox, saying it would be a good thing for them to get together in


Parliament just to talk about her. Caroline, would you like to see


Parliament recalled? I think, you know, if we do come back together to


Parliament next week... There as part of me that sort of feels that I


would like to have something rather like the vigil service in Birstall


the other night, last night, where actually we just can come together


in a quiet way and think about what Jo and her family and what has


happened. I think that is the most important thing at the moment, and


there will be time for all of us to talk about our work and what we do


and how we deal with that and where we may need to look at security.


What I would not like, Joanna macro, is to come back to Parliament and


lose sight of what we want to come back for, which is to think about


Jo. If we do go back, I do not know that is making sense to you, but I


feel like we should come back and reflect in quietness, maybe with a


few contributions, and that is what we should be doing, rather than


coming back to Parliament and having a bigger debate about the future and


what we do about how we work as MPs. I would like to make sure that we


focus on what is the most important thing at this present time, thinking


about Jo and her family. That is completely clear and understandable.


Anything that any of us go through that is shocking, or we lose


somebody dear to us, it changes us. You move on eventually, you deal


with it in the long term, but do you feel, even though it has just


happened, that it might change the way you see politics? How are you


feeling this morning about how you contemplate what has happened? Well,


I am feeling sorrow, and so sad, you know, fog Jo's loved ones. -- for.


In terms of politics, if something comes out of this, it is about


understanding that MPs, anybody in political life should be held to


account. And when they do things wrong, they should answer for that.


But I think we should be really proud of our democracy, and proud of


our political system, because for the most part it is a very good


system, and people come into politics with the best of reasons,


for the most part, and to do a good job. And I think, if anything, if it


says something about what MPs do outside of just being in Parliament,


and how that is such an important contribution to helping people,


ordinary people, have their voices heard. I think that would be a


really good thing. Thank you very much, Caroline Flint, friend and


colleague of Jo Cox, joining us. Let's talk more about the questions


raised about MPs security, touching on security issues there, with


Caroline Flint, people are talking about it this morning, it is still


very raw, but it is obviously an issue that will be discussed now and


in the coming days and weeks. Yes, absolutely, and it is emerging that


there were already security concerns surrounding the Labour MP. It


emerged that, in March this year, one man was arrested following what


has been described as malicious communication. Now, he was given a


caution by police. Just to make it clear, the man who received the


caution was not the man who was arrested yesterday on suspicion of


murder. We have also heard a lot from her colleagues, as we were just


hearing them, and other colleagues who have in fact said she was


receiving more malicious communication, and police were


looking into this. There are reports that police were looking into


beefing up the security surrounding her homes, not only in London, but


in Yorkshire. And I have been speaking to Lord Kinnock, who knew


her extremely well for around 20 years, and he described to me a


little bit about what she was like, but also any security concerns she


had. Just a little technical issue at the


moment, we are just finding that. We can listen to it now, Frankie. She


would use her very high intelligence for its best purpose, solving


practical problems. Steve, our sun, her colleague, spoke of her last


night when we talked to him, as a doer. And that is what you was, she


would identify a problem and pursued, and she was prepared to


fight on every front - for justice, fair play, common-sense. And this


was a woman that couldn't be suppressed. If she had a fault, and


I guess everybody has got a fault, it is that she was too modest. Not


in any cloying way, not with false modesty, but I used to say to her


sometimes, as indeed Glenys did, but a bit harder for your wife, because


of the need to get her - not any selfish motive - the need to get


hurt. And she just smiled and... There will always be a sort of


giggle in her voice, she had that kind of voice. She was full of


merriment. Are you OK? Do you... There have been some concerns and


reports that she was perceiving some form of hate mail at some point


macro, did she ever speak to you or her family about her personal


security? Not in solemn terms like that. In any conversation,


occasionally in conversation, these things crop up, when people are


politically active. When we talk together. And in fact I remarked on


the reality that, whilst when I was a Member of Parliament in the 1970s


and 1980s, I would occasionally encounter dances that could I guess,


be described as dangerous, sometimes because of political antagonism,


sharply felt, and sometimes because people were just utterly hopeless.


That was Lord Kinnock speaking to me just a little bit earlier, and this


seems to be an issue, the security issue, that has been bubbling up


over a number of years. There have been incidents in the past, and


something I am sure we are going to be discussing much more in the


future, Joanna. Thank you, thank you. We're going to speak to Neil


Kinnock's some right now, his sun had known Jo for 20 years, and they


shared an office with each other. -- son. Upsetting to see your father


clearly so deeply affected by this, how are you feeling? Because she was


a good family friend, wasn't she? She was, and we are absolutely


devastated. It is a terrible, terrible waste, and she was such an


amazing person. I have known her for 20 years, and we share an office in


Westminster, and I will always remember her coming in in a cycling


gear, cycling helmet, grabbing some stuff. She used to use my cupboard


as a wardrobe, grabbing some stuff to get changed. We would have a


chat, and you knew that if you saw Jo at the beginning of your day,


your day was going to be a better day. She just had so much positive


energy and optimism and, you know, she was a real fighter for the


causes that she believed in, and she inspired us. She inspired all of the


new intake of MPs and many, many others. She really had the street


cred, she had been out there working in the refugee camps, working with


the poorest and most dispossessed people on the planet. And she just


had that authority about her, because of that, but also the


special charisma and charm that she had, I mean, she was one in a


million. She could never ever be replaced. You obviously, as you say,


sharing an office, working at close quarters - did she ever talk to you


about security worries? Yeah, a little while ago, I mean we all get


dozens, almost on a daily basis, of vicious and aggressive e-mails and


tweets and Facebook messages, whatever it might be. You just get


used to it, it kind of becomes water off a duck's back, but she did


mention a little while ago some kind of creepy messages which she had


been getting, but I think that is what was reported in the Times


today, and I do not think it was related to the tragic events of


yesterday. I think that it was something else. But it reflects the


fact that sometimes people develop bizarre obsessions and starts to get


feelings of violence and aggression, and sometimes public figures like


MPs are on the receiving end of that. MPs, when I have a


constituency surgeries, are completely accessible to anybody who


wants to come and see them. It was just after one of those sessions


that Jo was attacked. Does that need to change? Can that change? Well, I


think the fact that we are so close to our constituents and very open,


and I run surgeries like that on a very regular basis as well, is


really important as part of our democratic process. I think it is


very important that we hold onto those and protect them as something


that we hold dear. But what I think is more where we could add trying to


address this issue is around the mood music. It is around the way the


media lays into politicians. I mean, you know, of course we have to have


a robust debate, but I think it goes over the mark sometimes, and the way


politicians sometimes interact with each other, and then of course the


way that all gets into the melting parts of social media, and what


social media has done as with everything up, where you can, in 140


characters, you can completely monster somebody in terms of their


reputation, personally, their family, as individuals. That, I


think, is dangerous, because it creates a permissive environment,


where sometimes it is not that big a jump from saying and writing


horrible stuff to actually doing something horrible. And there I


think we need to have a conversation about the tone of our politics, and


we need to reflect on that in the light of what has happened to Jo.


You are talking about the roles of media and social media in that -


what about politicians themselves? Do you think that potentially a


legacy of this might be gentler politics? I mean, obviously, in the


immediate aftermath of anything, people will look at the way things


are done, possibly the type of politics you are talking about, but


do you believe there may be a long-term impact? Well, I hope so,


and I absolutely agree that you cannot just separate media, social


media and politics and politicians. It is all part of one big picture,


and that conversation has to take place between all of us in terms of


what it means to be in public life in this UK, what sort of example we


set to others. But then we have to also get some of those people out


there, who are full of hatred and anger, to reflect today, and I hope,


to dial it down. And while it's down in the long term, not just for a


week or two weeks, whilst at the memory of this appalling thing is


still raw, but for ever. I think we do need to change the tone, because


if we don't, there is such a risk that this sort of thing could even


happen again. And what we also have to reflect on is what Jo Cox stood


for through her whole life - she stood for the values of decency and


into nationalism and... -- international is. And solving


problems together in the community, hope not hate, and I hope that those


values that she stood for will be something that we can honour, and


when I say we, everybody who has an opinion and is out on social media,


they need to reflect on what Jo stood for, and they need to think


about their own behaviour in that light. It is clearly very upsetting


for you to talk about someone who was very dear to you. Finish, if you


will, with what... When you think of Jo now, what will be the key thing


about her that will come into your mind? You said before that when you


met her at the start of the day, you knew the day would be good. That


right, she just had that wonderful optimism and hope radiating from


her, such a ball of energy, so you just had to be near her and you


picked up some of that positive energy, irradiated off her. But I


think I will remember her mostly as a mother, and she often used to


bring the kids in, she was constantly juggling the demands of a


busy job with being the mother of two young kids. They used to come


in, they would draw a picture for me, we would always have a chat, two


absolutely lovely kids. And I had the privilege of spending a bit of


time at their cottage in Monmouthshire, so not that far from


my constituency, so I did spend some lovely time there, and I remember


going out on a little canoe trip just in the river by their cottage,


with her and the kids and Brendan. And I will always remember that,


because you saw the way that she was with those kids and how much she


loved them and... I think I will probably remember her in that light,


more than any other. Thank you very much, Stephen Kinnock.


Lots of you have been getting in touch. Kemal has tweeted, we are all


shocked, it has happened in a society of tolerance, there are no


words. Martin has e-mailed to say, I want to express sympathy to all


those who knew her, I am a 60-year-old veteran, I family means


everything to me and my heart goes out to hers. Pam has e-mailed,


terribly sad, my condolences. She spent time at the GP practice that I


managed, to find out about the sharp end of primary care, a very


impressive woman who was genuine in her desire to improve life for the


ordinary person. Bill has e-mailed to say, she was truly robbed of her


life potential, she was a radiant young lady and adoring mother. I


feel sick to hear about her taking from her family and friends. William


says, I did not know her but I have felt the grief and emotions, I can't


believe what happened to this wonderful woman, my heart goes out


to her family. Much more tributes still ahead. Also still to come, the


pioneering skin cancer drugs that will be available to everyone in


England after the NHS agrees to fund them. We will hear from people


worried about who will care from them in old age because they don't


have children. A new report says that the government should be doing


more for the ageing population. Let's catch up with all of the news


with Anita in the newsroom. Thank you, Joanna.


Vigils have been held for the Labour MP Jo Cox who died yesterday


after being shot and stabbed in an assault in her constituency.


The 41-year-old mother became an MP in the general election last year.


David Cameron said the killing was tragic and dreadful news.


She was attacked in the village of Birstall after she held her


Russian athletes will find out later today whether they will be allowed


to compete in the Rio Olympics following claims


Members of the world governing body of athletics


are meeting in Vienna to make the decision.


The team was suspended earlier this year following a damning report


by the World Anti-Doping Agency which alleged systemic cheating.


Barack Obama has renewed his appeal for tougher gun control


measures to be introduced in the United States.


The US President has met survivors and relatives


of the 49 people killed in the Orlando nightclub shooting.


He called on the Republican-controlled Congress


to pass new legislation following the attack,


and said all sides should do more to stop such mass


As has been true too many times before, I held and hugged grieving


And they asked, why does this keep happening?


And they pleaded that we do more to stop the carnage.


The Labour Party has held the south-London


constituency of Tooting, previously held by Sadiq


Khan who last month was elected Mayor of London.


Rosena Allin-Khan, who's a junior doctor,


won with a majority of more than 6,000.


A two-minute silence was held during the count


Ms Allin-Khan paid tribute to her, instead of giving a victory speech.


The American rock star Meat Loaf has been taken to hospital


after collapsing on stage during a concert in Canada.


Fans at last night's show in Edmonton saw


fall down while performing his hit song


Canadian media reported the music venue was then cleared


Meat Loaf had previously cancelled two recent concerts due to illness.


That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC Newsroom


See you later, thanks, Anita stops Sally is in Paris again. Over to


you. -- thanks, Anita. If you are an England fan you will still be


celebrating but heartbreak for Welsh bands after they conceded a


last-minute goal. Northern Ireland are still in with a chance of


qualifying for the knockout stages after beating Ukraine 2-0. Gareth


McAuley put them ahead and then they had to overcome bizarre summer


conditions here in France. The hailstorm caused players and


officials to run for cover and the match was briefly suspended. They


did not bother them much despite heavy Ukrainian pressure.


Niall McGinn poked home a second goal lead in stoppage time


We did not just come here to make up the numbers.


The hard work happened over the past two years.


Getting here is just a party from now on and it's a bonus,


we are not here to make up the numbers, watch out the Germans,


It's amazing, the last ten minutes were so nerve wracking,


My prediction was 2-0, I'm glad we won, bring on Germany.


30 years of being a Northern Ireland fan, now I know why I've done it.


They changed the formation and had a completely different


approach, the horizontal rain did it!


It's a proud day for me, for the country as well.


The first win in the European Championships, it's our first time


The level of performance is what I'm most proud of, the players reacted


to the defeat in the first game and the disappointment


I thought today every one was magnificent.


England are top of group B after beating Wales 2-1. Their first


victory of this championship. Daniel Sturridge scored in injury


time to clinch the dramatic win. Wales had lead at half-time before


Roy Hodgson made a double substitution which paid off


as Jamie Vardy equalised and then Daniel Sturridge put them


on the brink of qualification with his goal, and that prompted


jubilation from the manager! As you saw on the bench,


probably the most spontaneous exhibition - if you like -


of pure joy from myself that we have seen for a fair while,


but that is what these tournaments do to you, they make


certain that you suffer. We are here to get into the last 16


and we have always said that. It was always the middle game of three. We


are gutted. We have to move on and put this Tibet and show a reaction.


We play on Monday against that of Russian team knowing that if we get


a good result, then we are still in the tournament, so it is still all


to play for. I think you will like this,


if you want to impress Jockey Ryan Moore rode


Order Of Saint George to victory in the Gold Cup at Ascot,


have a look at this. The moment of the presentation, you


cannot get more colour-coordinated than that! I wonder if they had a


little conversation beforehand to work it out. That's it from me, I


will have more sport throughout the morning. See you later, Sally.


The NHS in England is to pay for two pioneering cancer drugs that use


James Gallagher is here. What are these drugs and how effective have


they been? Let's go back in time ten years and think what was happening


to patients with advanced melanoma. The average life span was nine


months after diagnosis but with these drugs, they give the immune


system boost and allow it to attack cancer which we will explain in a


bit, but two years after starting the therapy 69% of patients have


tumours that are shrinking, most of these would have been dead before,


and a fifth have no sign of cancer at all. Remarkable difference


compared to ten years ago. Extraordinary. It has been so


effective that it has been fast-track. This is almost unheard


of in terms of the speed of drugs being officially licensed. The NHS


say this will be offered to every suitable patient in England. There


is a body called Nice that approves drugs for England but it is hugely


influential in the rest of the UK, Wales and Northern Ireland etc will


follow suit. This is great news for skin cancer treatment but in terms


of the bigger picture and immunotherapy for cancer patients,


does it kind of have implications for that? These have been tried, I


have just returned from the world's biggest cancer conference in


America, and it is the talk of the town, everybody thinks this will be


one of the great pillars of cancer treatment, alongside radiotherapy,


this will be the next big thing in treating cancer. One of the things


that is so exciting is that it has a really long-term effect. They seem


to fail after a few months, and then Michu resists the treatment and the


patient dies. For immunotherapy, it only works really well in a small


subset of patients but for those for whom it works it lasts for years


with a really beneficial effect. Thank you very much. Let's talk more


about the tragic loss of Jo Cox. Her husband Brendan posted this


photograph and said she had an energy and zest for life that would


exhaust most people. They divided their time between their


constituency in West Yorkshire and living in a houseboat on the Thames.


Their commute to Westminster was something out of the ordinary, too.


Normally I hope to be zipping down to the House of Commons about half


an hour away from where I live. On a little speedboat. This is a way to


start the day, isn't it?! Yorkshire born and bred, she only became an MP


last year and at that time she spoke of her joy at representing her proud


and no-nonsense constituency. The spirit of nonconformity is as


present now in my part of West Yorkshire as it was in the time of


my two media predecessors, Mike would and Elizabeth Peacock. They


were both known for their own brand of independent, nonconformist


service. Albeit in very different ways. I intend to maintain that


established tradition in my own unique style. Before her election


she was a tireless campaigner, and aid worker. She spent ten years


working in international development which took her to conflict zones


around the world. She met her husband Brendan working for Oxfam


who described her as a passionate campaigner on humanitarian issues.


She worked closely with Sarah Brent on, the wife of former Prime


Minister Gordon Brown. When we spoke to her last October she called


repeatedly for Britain to do more to help the victims of the Syrian Civil


War. I spent ten years as an aid worker in many conflict zones around


the world and I have seen that military intervention saves lives,


it did in Kosovo, Bosnia and Sierra Leone. A case can be made when you


have an intervention grounded in the protection of innocent civilians,


and military component can save lives. My big proposal when we


debate this will be that the government should consider a no


bombing zone to stop President Assad raining down aerial bombardment on


innocent people, killing grandmothers and mums and dads, and


change the dynamic and force him to the table.


Holly Lynch is the Labour MP for Halifax and was


Holly, thank you for joining us at this very difficult time. How close


were you to Jo? We were both newly elected last year, both obviously


MPs from the same area of West Yorkshire. Both represented quite


similar constituencies actually, we would regularly swap notes about


what was working, what was best practice, the challenges we had and


how to share information and good ideas about campaigns. She really


was an incredible woman and I was her whip as well when I was asked to


join the whip's office towards the end of last year. We had a close


working relationship but we were good friends as well. What did you


take from her? She really was like people have already said, a ball of


energy, she was incredibly dynamic in the way she went about her


politics and she came in with a real clarity of what she was trying to


achieve in Westminster. She really did not waste any time in getting on


with that. We have heard tributes from right across the chamber, right


across the benches and all over the UK, she really did build support for


the arguments she was making from everywhere, and that was grounded in


her vast experience of the issues that she was quite often working on.


She would take people with her and was really able to make a difference


in Westminster in the time that she had on that basis. It was said that


she seemingly had more hours in the day than anyone because of how much


she packed in, what was her secret? I really could not tell you, I do


not know. As we have heard she was rooted in her family as well, two


young kids, the kids recently had chickenpox, and she would always


update you on the trials and tribulations of being a working mum


with two young children, she was besotted with them. On top of that


she was this incredibly dynamic MP who managed to achieve so much and


she really did set the standard for all of us. About what was possible


when you really got stuck in, and this is such a tragedy that she just


had those humans with us in Westminster. -- those few months.


It seems a lot of people were looking at where her career may have


led, what were your thoughts? She had a confidence in our own


convictions, when she was speaking, that was very much rooted in her


vast experience. When she spoke, she knew she had a mandate to represent


those people who had elected. She really did get on with the job, and


you could see she was going to go on to great things in Westminster. So,


so sad that you won't have the opportunity to do that. Yeah. There


has been research done on the vulnerability of MPs, because of the


nature of the job. I mean, obviously, what happened to her


happened after she had been in contact with constituents, it is


something that all MPs do when they go to their constituency, and meet


local people, whether it is in a formal session or whether they are


out shopping or whatever it is. Did she ever talk to you about any


concerns? Well, I think, for all of us that came in in 2015, you do have


to get used to the way Westminster works, but also you do have to get


quite thick skin quite quickly, actually. It took all us back a


little bit, because the nature of the jobs that you engaged with a lot


of people, and the nature of democracy is you meet people with a


different opinion to yours. You have to listen to all of those, and you


try to take those views and opinions with you in your decision-making.


There is a challenge, I think, and how we manage that. We have seen


that there are people who struggle to articulate that in a way that is


responsible and respectable, in going about their business of an MP


and engaging on issues where you might have different opinions, but


you have already mentioned that Jo was just going about her business as


a hard-working MP in a constituency. She was holding an advice surgery,


something we all do. You try to make yourself as available as possible as


an MP. And so we do have to think about how we can ensure the safety


of those people coming to the surgery as well, but our staff, who


are often with us, and it would be really sad if we have to change the


way we start engaging with people to reflect these very serious but


unusual incidents. Holly, thank you very much for joining us with your


memories and thoughts this morning. Thank you. Much more coverage coming


up on the sad death of Jo Cox with any two Newsroom Live -- with Anita


on Newsroom Live. Do you ever worry about who will


take care of you in old age? Many elderly people can rely


on their children for extra support. But what about those


who don't have children? Many say they feel


invisible or ignored - according to the charity Ageing


without Children - which is calling for a national strategy to deal


with issues around ageing. One in five people over the age


of 50 don't have children. Britain is an ageing society,


with approximately 23 million The number of people aged 60


or over is expected to pass A separate adult social care


inquiry was launched Here to discuss this


issue is Kirsty Woodard, the founder of


Ageing without Children She has cared for her elderly mother


with dementia for ten years, Ming is worried about who will look


after her when she gets older. Sue Lister is 71,


and a lesbian with no children. Her partner Anne has children


and grandchildren in Vancouver. Thank you all very much for joining


us for this conversation. Kirsty, you founded the charity DRS, why did


you decide to do that? I have spent 20 years working with older people,


so I have always been passionately interested in the effect of ageing


on society, but it was really when I came to realise about two years ago


that I would never have children of my own that I suddenly thought, what


about the older people I have worked with who do not have family? That is


going to be me in a 30 or 40 years' time, what is going to happen to me?


Because I had seen what had happened to them, and I thought, we have to


do better than this, we have to have solutions, because it is a growing


number of the population now. And what have you seen happening to


people getting old without children? Generally speaking, they are


overlooked and ignored, not because people were overtly being horrible


or anything, but generally speaking, if they were in a hospital bed, and


there were not children to advocate for them, or come along and make


sure that they had water or were being taken to the loo or whatever,


because the nursing staff are very stretched in rushing about, often


they would just get overlooked. I have seen, again, people I had


worked with who were trying to get support from social care, buried of


the girls to navigate that system on your own. -- very difficult to


navigate. Often I would be working with people and their children, we


would be getting services in place. People without children, they don't


have that extra person to help, they don't have that extra hand who is


kind of holding and saying, you know, it will be OK, we will sort


this out. Ming, you have been this person for your mum, and now we were


worried there is no-one for you when you get older. I did not become


consciously worried about it, but it occurred to me when I noticed the


campaign, and I thought, gosh, yes, that does apply to me. You don't go


through your life, thinking, what will happen to me when I get older?


The campaign is encouraging people to think about those issues before


it becomes a practical necessity. Because my mum has dementia, she has


had it coming on her for 20 years, and throughout all of that time she


has retained a level of quite good social function. So she has never


considered that she needed help at all, but she was not aware of the


increasing needs that she had, and I gradually assumed all of those


responsibilities. It is supple, it is gradual, it comes up over a long


period of time, and it is only when it gets into crisis mode that you


realise how much it does entail. And if you had not been a glance, what


do you think would have happened? I do not think my mum would be here


today. She's coming up on 90 now, and I am lucky she is in a good


home, which I have trust in, but if she had not been able to find a


place there, if I had not found that place and supported her to live well


in it now, frankly, I don't think she would be alive now. She was


getting into crisis regularly before she went into care, not being able


to feed herself, look after her domestic circumstances, finances,


physical abilities, appointments, advocacy, everything, really. It


puts a big burden on you. Yes, it is, and you do it because you love


somebody when it is your family, you do it without thinking, because that


is the way your relationship works. That is what people need to


consider, advocacy is a huge part of caring for someone, and if you do


not have that emotional investment, it is hard to think you will take on


that level of responsibility. Sue, you have no children of your own,


your partner has children in Canada, are you worried about who will fill


that role for you as you get older? No, because the quality of life is


what I care about, so when my quality of life gets beyond what I


am willing that my if I am in pain, I am a campaign, so the whole spirit


of Jo Cox is in fusing me and the millions of people who campaign for


a more peaceful and a better life around the world. I have joined


Dignity In Dying so that if I am within six months of a terminal


illness, I want the right to die. I am an atheist, my life is my


responsibility, I want to die when I want to die, whose life is it


anyway? So I am not worried about it, but what I have done is start


following Kirsty's campaign, starting a group in York, and there


the people from a total range of reasons why they are there. 50 years


married and now they are living alone with no children, never having


had children, wondering where to turn. We did a survey, 35% of people


did not know where to turn, they were blank, they haven't thought


about it. Somebody said that the social services, God help us!


Another one said, if it gets too bad, I'd rather die. The Government,


this needs to be put on the agenda. People need to do the thinking - if


we have got a hugely ageing society, with a huge percentage of people,


especially in lesbian, gay, bi and trans, 80% of whom do not have


children, we need to put this on the agenda and take care of each other.


Kirsty, Ming outline the list of things she does for her mum, how do


you find someone who does not have the emotional investment to fulfil


that role? What are your answers to this issue? Well, that is one of the


reasons why we did the report, was to try and think of some solutions,


because at the moment there are not a lot of solutions at there. One of


the things we are calling for is a national strategy, because this is a


very big problem, a wicked problem, and we need everybody to get around


the table and work together to come up with solutions. We talk in the


report about investment in advocacy services, we certainly need that.


Are there many services as at the moment? Do they do a good job?


Advocacy services are fantastic, but they are incredibly overstretched,


and are funded. They rely mostly on local authority funding. We know how


hard that is being hit. Or they are lying on funding from charitable


trusts, which is time-limited. -- they are relying. Sue, I heard what


you said, obviously, about the fact that quality of life is what matters


to you, and it did not seem to be link with a lack of having children


- do you think you would feel differently if you did have children


to guide you through your final days? I have never wanted children.


I joined a group in Vancouver called No Kidding because of the stigma


attached to people who did not want children, had never wanted children,


and had travelled the world, had explored, have lived a life full of


curious at Yanda wonder and awe. My family line comes to an end with my


sister, myself and my brother. That is it. Actually, we are hoping the


human population to keep itself down. But I am not worried about


that, because I am living life to the full, now. It is very important


to appreciate what we are given, and I am looking through this campaign


to create peer support and peer caring, so that our groups, the


ageing groups without children can and stand what it is like and be


there for one another. Thank you all very much. BBC newsroom life is


coming up next. Thank you for your company today. -- Newsroom Life.


Rebecca has e-mailed, I never knew Jo Cox, but we are so shocked that


this could happen to a vibrant mother, wife and MP. Amanda has


said, tears for Jo Cox, such a tragic waste of a beautiful soul.


There are more tributes coming up on the BBC News Channel. Bye-bye.


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Politicians, friends and the public pay tribute to MP Jo Cox who was killed on Thursday. Russian athletes await a decision on being able to compete in Rio. And what is it like to grow old without children?