21/06/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

Our top story today: Only two days to go until you get

to vote in one of the biggest political decisions

If you're still undecided, we've got two politicians

Hello, I urge you to Vote Leave because we can take back control of

our borders and our economy. I'm urging you to stay in the European

Union because we already control so much of our own affairs and it's the

best thing for you and your family economically. Also some undecided

voters will put their questions our politicians.

England and Wales are through -

but in markedly contrasting style.

An incredible performance from Wales, beating Russia 3-0 last

night. England are also through but they could only manage a goalless

draw against Slovakia. And an annual dog meat festival has

begun in south-west China - around 10,000 animals

will be slaughtered. Critics say it's inhumane

and should be banned - but supporters say eating dogs is no

different from consuming TRANSLATION: Our ultimate goal is

that the country can make a law to protect animals, especially the dogs

ear. Translate Bob it has been a tradition for us for years to

celebrate the festival. You can't change it simply because they love

dogs. This morning, we're going to play

you in full some of those moving and poignant tributes

to the murdered Labour MP Jo Cox In the next two hours, we'll hear

how she was described by her friends and fellow Labour MPs Rachel Reeves,

Stephen Kinnock and Alison McGovern, and we'll hear tributes

from her Conservative colleagues Do stay with us to watch those -

and you're welcome to send If you text, you will be charged

at the standard network rate. David Cameron's former

chief advisor says the Prime Minister was warned

by civil servants four years ago that it would be "impossible"

to meet the Government's key Steve Hilton claims Mr Cameron

was told "explicitly and directly" that EU free movement rules meant

net migration could not be reduced Let's chat to our political guru

Norman Smith at Westminster. What sort of impact is this having?

I imagine Mr Cameron's feeling pretty bruised because Steve Hilton

was one of his closest personal and political colleagues and here he is

taking chunks out of the PM with a fairly blunt charge this morning,

namely that there is no chance of getting net migration down to his

target of the tens of thousands so long as we are in the EU. Or than

that, Mr Cameron was told as much by his own officials back in 2012 when

they had a stop meeting to discuss the policy, and Mr Hilton goes on to

accuse what he called an insular elite of decrying and demeaning

people over their concerns about immigration, and he suggests it is

corrosive of trust in British politics. Number Ten are saying they

can't recall anything about this meeting at all and interesting,

today, we've heard from others, like Alan Johnson, who is heading up the

Labour side of the Remain campaign, arguing that even if we leave the

European Union, then there are still going to be high levels of net

migration into the UK. Have a listen to what Mr Johnson said.

This is not a referendum on immigration - still less David

If people vote to leave on the basis of immigration, I'm afraid they'll

find that they're going to be in exactly the same

situation because the issues are complex and leaving the EU

Indeed in terms of illegal immigration and immigration

from outside the EU, it'll make our situation worse.

Both sides in this referendum scurry around trying to get big-name

backers, celebrities, to come in on their side. For example, we've had

Benedict Cumberbatch and Keira Knightley saying they supporting

Remain and the new fad figures like Ian Botham and Michael Caine saying

they are backing Brexit today. Ian Botham and Michael Caine saying

they are backing Brexit Today we have the Uber celebrity David

Beckham. He has issued a statement strongly backing Remain at his

arguments are that he has played in a lot of different countries -

Madrid, Milan - and with a lot of foreign players, like Peter

Schmeichel, Eric Cantona, Roy Keane, and from that experience he has

gleaned that we are better cooperating and working together and

he urges people to think of their children and think of their

grandchildren when they are making this decision but he firmly believes

we are better voting to stay in. It is always a moot point how much

impact the celebrity endorsements have but there was a funny point

this morning on the Today programme when Michael Gove had just finished

doing an interview with Nick Robinson and the news came through

that David Beckham had endorsed Remain and they quickly picked up

Michael Gove on David Beckham's endorsement just as he was leaving

the studio. David Beckham has just come out saying he is voting for

Remain in the EU referendum and Michael Gove, who is leaving the

studio... John Barnes is for Leave and as a QPR fan, I know what it's

like to support the underdog in any event. Thank you very much. I go

through days, weeks, months here never learning anything particularly

new. Today I have learnt something new and that is that Michael Gove is

a QPR fan. Somehow I never thought of him going down to Loftus Road but

there you are, he is a QPR fan. Thank you very much.

Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

Measures to tighten gun controls following the attack at a gay

nightclub in Florida, in which 49 people were killed,

Four proposals were brought before the Senate.

But it rejected plans to tighten gun controls,

including the restriction of weapons sales to people

Senators disagreed about how to prevent more attacks

A British man accused of trying to assassinate Donald Trump has

Michael Sandford didn't enter a plea to a charge

Investigators say he told them he drove to a rally held

by the Republican presidential candidate on Saturday

Our correspondent James Cook has the latest from Las Vegas.

The allegation is that he tried to grapple a gun from the hands or the

belt of a police officer here at the Treasure Island hotel in Las Vegas

on Saturday, where Donald Trump was holding a rally. Prosecutors,

according to documents a bit of a court, are citing the Secret

Service's account. They have interviewed Mr Sandford and they say

that he told them that he had travelled all the way from

California to Nevada, some distance, to do this, that he had stopped on

the Friday to practice, to learn to shoot at a firing range. Apparently

the suggestion was he had never actually fired a gun before and that

he intended to kill Mr Trump. It is said that he had a ticket for

another Donald Trump rally later that day in Casey was not successful

in the first one and he is said to have told the Secret Service that he

was prepared to die, he expected to die, in this attempt at top court

hearing few hours ago is at an early stage and was a preliminary hearing

and there was no opportunity for him to make a plea. He was a mandolin

custody and will be kept. The judge said he could potentially be

dangerous and potentially posed a flight risk as well. There was some

evidence that he may have had mental health issues in the past but the

lawyer who has been appointed by the court doubt on his behalf suggested

that was competent. He was not diagnosed as mentally ill at this

moment and he is due to appear in court again on July the 5th.

Parts of Brussels are on high alert after a police arrested a man acting

suspiciously in the centre of the city.

The area around the City2 shopping centre, a major commercial hub

in the middle of the Belgian capital, was sealed off and bomb

disposal teams have been called in - although it's thought that no

explosives were found on the suspect.

Figures obtained by the NSPCC suggest the internet is being used

by people across England and Wales to commit eight sexual offences

The crimes include inciting children to take part in a sexual act,

grooming victims before meeting them and live-streaming abuse.

The online world is playing a significant role in the sexual

abuse of children in the UK, according to the NSPCC.

The charity says predatory adults posing as children online have,

in the last year, committed an array of offences, including

grooming victims, serious sexual assault, and rape.

In a new report entitled How Safe Are Our Children, it

found that 3128 sex offences involved victims

This is the first time police forces have been asked to flag crimes

involving the internet, so comparisons with previous years

just aren't possible, but it likely that the true

figures are much higher, because at least six police forces

Sir Cliff Richard has said the stress of being publicly named

as a suspect of sexual crimes that he did not commit was so severe

The singer has recently been told the allegations will not be pursued.

He's told the Daily Mail he's been left physically and emotionally

exhausted by a two-year ordeal that began when South Yorkshire Police

raided his home after an apparent tip-off.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

Frank Yury much. Do get into achievers in the usual ways,

particularly if you England all Wales supporter. -- thank you very

much. If you text, you will be charged

at the standard network rate. Let's go to Sally in Paris. I assume

you're watching both keeping an eye on both but an England supporter, it

was tortuous, wasn't it? I managed to watch both games quite

neutrally and got very much caught up in the excitement of the Wales

game. And actually, let's remember, England are through. It wasn't the

best performance but they are through. England and Wales through

to the knockout stages of Euro 2016 after those games last night. Chris

Coleman's side outclassed Russia, 3-0,. Their group at their first

European Championship, with England second after being held to a

frustrating nil mill draw to Slovakia.

On top of the group, on top of the world.

A nigh that meant so much for Welsh football - for some,

Wales might have gone out yesterday, but where was the tension?

Certainly not in the mind of the Aaron Ramsey,

who finished this as if he was playing in the park.

Russia had looked flaky before this game, but now they disintegrated.

Neil Taylor had so long he could choose where to put

A demonstration that Wales' attacking threat

extends beyond Gareth Bale, but he remains front and centre.

A man who scored in a Champions League final,

he looks like he enjoyed nothing more than this.

As a nation, geographically, we are small.

But, I think, if you are judging us on passion, I think

you could describe us as a continent tonight, because that was amazing.

There is more than one way to qualify.

They made six changes in the game against Slovakia,

and if Jamie Vardy had done what Jamie Vardy generally does,

As it was, the angst grew and gripped them.

Despite near total dominance, Slovakia stayed stout in defence,

even when Dele Ali got through to the very last line.

For the manager, only the goal was missing.

I thought that we fully deserved to win the game.

I am very surprised in a tournament of this nature, we can play three

games, and in each of the three games, we have been

The question is, how far, and how fast, they are

There were some sensational scenes in the Cardiff fan zone yesterday.

Have a look at the reaction when those goals went

And wait till you see what happened at full time.

It was such a great performance from Wales.

Fearless, brave, heroic are just a few of the adjectives

Of course it is Wales' first ever European Championship.

Really proud. So proud for the country. And Gary speed's family...

It's been a fantastic, absolutely fantastic. Incredible dated top

never thought we would win 3-0. Just to get to the competition was enough

for us but to get through is amazing. The passion for Wales, we

are all behind the team. It is amazing

They play Germany here in Paris later.

We'll be hearing from our correspondent at the Parc des

Tomorrow the Republic of Ireland play Italy and their fans have been

winning admirers all over France and perhaps this is why...

# Twinkle, twinkle, Little Star... # That is brilliant!

Everyone with a baby and you get your baby to sleep, just gather a

few Northern Ireland fans. Raez Good morning.

It is 9.15am. Welcome to our programme.

Caring, eloquent, principled and wise".

"Above all she was filled with and fuelled by

"A voice of compassion, whose boundless energy lit up

the lives of all who knew her and saved the lives of many

Just some of the heartfelt tributes to the murdered MP Jo Cox

Throughout the programme this morning, we're going to bring

As MPs spoke, her parents, husband and two young children,

just five and three, watched in the public gallery.

At times you'll see politicians looking up

In moments of silence, her children could be heard playing.

The House of Commons was packed with MPs from all parties,

many fighting back tears, all wearing a white rose.

A single white and single red rose were also placed in the seat

where Jo Cox should have been sitting on the Labour benches.

This morning we'll play you some of the most moving and poignant

speeches and we'll start with that of her close friend and Labour

I stand today to honour a friend and colleague.

Along with shock, anger and grief, I have very many

Jo and I knew each other for around ten years.

I knew her husband, Brendan, for longer than that.

We first met at a Labour students' conference about 18 years ago,

and it was through Brendan that I first met Jo.

I remember them coming round for dinner at the house

of my husband and I in London, and us visiting them on their boat,

first in Ladbroke Grove and then later in Wapping.

I remember worrying that I had drunk too much wine early in the evening

until I realised it was the boat that was

I remember talking with Jo about her future shortly

She was thinking about standing for Parliament, and spent a day

shadowing me in my Leeds West constituency, talking to

constituents about their problems, campaigning with party members

By the end of the day, a lot of people weren't sure

who the MP was and who was doing the shadowing!

Jo had away with people, a way of relating to people

from all walks of life, and she had a real way

Her main hesitation about a parliamentary career

She worried, as many of us do, about whether you can be a great MP

But when the opportunity came up to represent her home

seat of Batley and Spen, Jo felt a special responsibility

to step up and do what she could for the place where she was born,

grow up and went to school, the place that Jo called home.

Jo wanted to make the world fairer, more equal, more tolerant

We all have better instincts and deepest fears.

Jo appealed to our better instincts, our sense that, as she said

in her maiden speech, what we have in common is greater

On Friday morning, less than 24 hours after Jo was killed,

I sat in a coffee shop in Batley just a few minutes away

A woman came over to me and said she hadn't known Jo,

but that her death had made her want to be a bit

A better person, a better mother, a better daughter, a better wife.

It is ironic that, after travelling the world to some of the most

damaged, war-ravaged places in the world,

But she died doing the job she loved in the place that she loved,

representing the people that she loved.

Her mum and dad said to me that Jo wouldn't have changed a thing.

She lived the life that she wanted to live, and yet in her mum's words,

she had so much more that she could have done.

So it now falls on all of our shoulders, the woman I met

in the coffee shop in Batley, Jo's friends, MPs, all of us,

To combat and guard against hatred, intolerance and injustice.

To serve others with dignity and with love.

And that is the best way that we can remember Jo and all she stood for.

Batley and Spen will go on to elect a new MP,

And later in the programme, we'll play the full tributes

from Labour MP Stephen Kinnock, Conservative MP Andrew

And by the way, a charity fundraising appeal set up

in Jo Cox's memory has now raised more than ?1 million.

This Thursday, weeks of campaigning will come to an end as you decide

if Britain stays in or leaves the European Union.

For some, the decision is straight forward,

but what about those of you who are still undecided?

You've got two days to make up your mind - that's assuming

We've brought together one MP who wants you to vote to stay in,

and one who wants you to vote to leave, along with four

The MPs are going to make pitches to each of them,

and then our four voters will ask them questions.

For the Remain Campaign, we have the Labour MP

for Streatham Chuka Umunna and supporting the Leave Campaign

is the Conservative MP for Stratford on Avon, Nadhim Zahawi.

In the studio Rogers Gambiza, and Efosa Omorog-bay.

In Newcastle is Nan Pancoast, and in Dundee is Ellena Leslie.

Welcome all of you. OK. Who wants to go first? I don't mind. Off you go.

Thank you. I have got a three-and-a-half-year-old and two

19-year-olds, the same wife, I know what you are thinking. I want to

grow up in a country that is open, dynamic, outward looking, non

discrim nattry, a country that looks after its people, those on national

Living Wage, makes sure that they actually have the best chance of

doing well and increasing their wages as well as investing in

hospitals and schools. I think we can do that best by coming out of

the EU because we will trade with Europe before entering Parliament I

ran a business which bought companies across Europe. It was a

service business. 80% of our economy is service based. There has never

been a single market in Europe in service, yet we have done really,

really well. My issue is that the EU political project is one that is

destroying jobs and livelihoods, look at Greece and Spain, one in

every two young people is out of work. Each one of those statistics

is a tragedy. They're blighted by the EU and this sort of madness of

want to go create a single country, a single flag, a single budget and a

single currency. Many of the people who are telling you to vote remain

were saying we must go into the single currency otherwise our

economy would collapse. I'm saying let's come out. Let's trade with

Europe. We're going to do great trading with Europe. We buy more

Mercedes and washing machines than we sell them. We buy more from them

in goods. They will want us to trade. They won't want to cut us

off. One in every five German cars come to the UK. We can protect those

on national Living Wage. 77,000 people came in without a job. That's

discriminating against people from Africa, India, Pakistan, Australia,

South Africa, they can't come in because we can't control the people

coming in from Europe. If we take back control of our borders we can

have a much more positive immigration policy for the United

Kingdom. OK. So that's the Leave pitch. I'm going to hear from Chuka

Umunna in a moment. Eleanor a reaction to what he said? As you're

saying about the economy, it is always changing so I don't

understand how anyone can take what you say as factual other than like

guesswork and wishful thinking, but that goes to say on both sides. A

lot of it is guesswork because you can't forecast what's going to

happen in the economy in the future. A reaction before you get to ask

your questions. My main thing is the immigration part. I can understand

blocking people who want to come here to work against those who are

put here and cannot work, but that's the main issue here. How do we

control those borders? We will answer that in a second. For the

Remain campaign, Labour MP, Chuka Umunna. Well, look, think about all

the things that you usually hear politicians droning on about on

programmes like this whether it was the Government trebling tuition fees

over the last four to five years. Iain Duncan Smith imposing a bedroom

tax on people, the big arguments we have around the NHS, all of these

things, primarily and whatever you think about them, they are domestic

concerns. They are things that the Conservative Government has been

running. The EU has had nothing to do with that and in the last four to

five years, there are 121 Acts of Parliament and just four of those

were to exclusively implement European legislation. But where we

work together, we do so because we can achieve more together with our

countries than we can on our own. We amplify our influence and we deal

with the issues which are cross-border. Take the environment,

for example, we know that pollution knows no borders. Or the migration

crisis triggered by what has been happening in the Middle East, that

is affecting all of Europe. It is not something that will only affect

the UK. But above all, the reason that we see huge benefit from being

part of the European Union is because of our access to the single

market. And that gives us access to half a billion customers for British

businesses and that has seen three to four million jobs being linked to

that, but also the stuff you buy in the shops, 28% of the produce you

buy on high street shelves you get your daily paper, whatever it might

be, cheese, wine, chocolate, healthier things too, we don't have

to pay a tariff on those things when they come from the European Union

those 28% of products. If we weren't part of the single market there

would be a tariff. I'm not arguing that we can't trade with these

people if we leave, but the question is on what terms? And there is a

huge inequality of bargaining power. 44% of our exports go to them. If

you look at the other members of the European Union, 5% of their exports

come to us. There are bigger and important customer to us than we are

to them. I don't deny Roger that immigration is an issue and it poses

a challenge to society, but the idea that that will fall away if we leave

the European Union is nonsense. More people come here from outside the

European Union than from inside the European Union. And there are things

we can do to mitigate matters like in the labour market enforcing

minimum wage, but it is about having a big ambitious vision of what

Britain can do. Traditionally we punch our weight on the world stage.

We don't get kicked around by our European partners. We use it as a

way of ampifying our influence, you've grown up in a globally

connected world and for me it is about how do you succeed f you want

to go into business, it is by networking and the State needs to do

the same. Network with others who have our views and have our

challenges. All right, let's bring in all of you to ask your questions.

How does that affect immigrants who have started businesses in the past

five years and who vote out of the EU? Well, here in the UK, there are

EU citizens running businesses. They employ 1.5 million people here in

the UK. So that's a good thing for us and for our, all of those

businesses, can sell into the single market and of course, there are lots

of jobs connected to that. There is only 6% of our businesses that

actually export, you know, most of them in your local area don't do

that. But of course, businesses are not an island and if you look at a

lot of the bigger businesses which have many small businesses supplying

them with products and their employees will spend their money in

small businesses and for them exporting is a really important

thing whether it is Hitachi who makes trains, our car makers, Tech

UK, all the young new entrepreneur in Tech City, for them being able to

trade is so important and that's why they are pretty much all of the

business organisations representing small and bigger businesses want us

to stay in the European Union because it gives you guys

opportunities. You run your own business, don't you? What would you

say to this man who runs his small firm and wants to know what impact,

economic impact, there would be on the firm if Britain votes to leave

on Thursday? I think you will benefit. I think the economy will

become more dynamic. The question was asked earlier about, you know,

the world is an uncertain place. The economy, the world changes, China

could slow down, stuff could happen in America and elsewhere, you are

better off having a Government that can act quickly rather than 28

countries that can't agree. You seen with the refugee crisis, they

couldn't agree. It was a mess. It was a controversy. They have been

trying to sign a trade deal with South American countries since 1999.

We are in 2016, they haven't decidedment you know why? France

says no, I don't want the deal because of my farmers,

protectionist. Spain says that's wrong, don't do that. That's wrong,

but nothing happens. Chuka Umunna talked about food for example. The

EU places tariffs of 30% on food from Africa. It hurts developing

countries. If we were outside that, we can buy from those countries and

support them even more. So my view, my message to you is you're running

a bishtion only 60% Goldman Sachs, the JP Morgans want us to stay in

the EU because they have departments who can wade through the red tape

and make sure smaller competitors don't take over their business. For

small business and mat jort of small business actually support the Vote

Leave campaign. The big corporate businesses support the Stay camp.

The Federation of Small Business members are evenly balanced. 47%

wanted to stay in. 41% wanted to leave. What does your business do by

the way? Can I ask you both to answer more briefly otherwise we

will never get through the questions. What does your business

do? We are a music production company. We do films and movies. Let

me get a question from them. I'm going to ask you to be more brief in

your replies. Go ahead. I was just wondering, as just an

average Joe, what difference would staying or leaving actually do for

me or someone down the road? Don't be a barrister asked that. --

embarrassed to ask. We would be a more dynamic economy. What does that

mean in practical terms? There was a report from a German bank saying

that if we came out, British complete with outperform European

companies so there would be more jobs being crated here. Europe has

stagnated. Its growth is the slowest in the world other than Antarctica,

so Europe has been job destroying. People in Spain, young people like

yourself are out of work. If we are outside, we can trade with Europe.

There is a free trade area already which closed eyes and Istanbul,

which we will remain part of. -- which goes from Iceland to Istanbul.

We would become outward looking and truly dynamic and positive. I don't

know if you are out of work, Nine. What do you do? Yes, I am currently

out of work, unfortunately. What would you say to Nan? The first

thing people will feel the impact of is increased price of this --

prices. Vote leaves say we will trade but we will not be part of the

single market so things you buy in the shop which have been imported,

you will pay more for if they have been imported from the EU. There are

also pretty much every single major economic independent forecaster, the

biggest profile one is maybe the governor of the Bank of England, has

said that there will be a shock to the economy and usually when there

is a short-term shock at the very least youth unemployment gets hit

first. The governor has taught about other things, paying off a housing,

borrowing rates going up, but I think you said practically, what

will you feel, and I think it is that. What is your question? It is

surrounding immigration and this is directed at both of you. What plan

would you put in place to stem the flow of immigration to control the

issue around immigration, but to also provide the opportunity for

those coming into work and coming into better their lives? What plan

would you put in place? Briefly, in a nutshell. The leader of the Remain

campaign, Stuart Rose, who was head of M, said wages would go up our

national living which would go up. The question was about controlling

immigration. If we come out, we decide who comes in. Australia has a

point system and they decide what is right for their economy, how many

jobs we need, what sort of skills we need. If we stay in, there are

countries in Europe where the minimum wage is ?2 an hour. They are

coming in and actually hurting those on the lowest wages in our country.

So if you are looking for work and your on national living wage, your

job is at risk if we stay in Europe. If we come out, we control our

borders with a points -based system, that way we decide and we don't

like, we can change our government and have a different government set

it. That's my proposition. It is quite amusing to me because usually

when I am arguing with Nadhim Zahawi, he is telling you how great

the economy is the national minimum is enforced as a higher level, but

in terms of your question let's not forget there are 2 million Brits who

benefit from free movement so they are living and working in the

European Union as well. There is this idea that somehow because we

are part of free movement that comes with the EU, for none EU countries

it means that people who frankly looked like me and you are unfairly

discriminated against. That's rubbish. The rules that we have

applied to none EU countries have nothing to do with the EU. That is a

figment of Conservative government policy. Questions about controlling

immigration. We do control it in the sense that you have to show your

passport when you come in and out and our judgment is that on

balance... You can't have free movement of goods and services,

which brings so much to our economy, without having the free movement of

people and the judgment that we make is, on balance, there is a huge

benefit we get from that movement and does not outweigh some of the

challenges, and the judgment is, the benefits to outweigh the challenges

and there are things you can do about the challenges. Enforce the

national minimum wage, make sure that if people are taking out of our

security system, they are paying in, which they have to do for four

years. And we need to talk about not just the numbers coming in but how

do we integrate people when they are here? How do we support them to

learn English? I'm going to get Alan's question. Go for it. I'm a

university student. I was reading on the camera crew independent this

morning that a lot of the major higher education institutes are

worried and concerned about a lever vote. It was quoted at around ?7

billion comes from people in the EU. That is quite worrying as student,

losing that income, so what is your opinion on that and how will it

affect students? I used to be on the Business Select Committee in the

last Parliament. I was passionate about international students because

it is a great export for us. We make about ?8 billion and that is going

to rise to about 16 or 17 billion and nobody in the UK dislikes

international students coming to study at our best universities. I

think if we come out, we can take more international students, not

less, because we can control our immigration system. At the moment we

have 188,000 people who come into the UK and we can't do a thing about

it whatsoever because of free movement. I'm saying let's come out,

let's have a system that we control and then we can decide if we want

more international students enter our world beating universities.

That's the best way to be. Eleanor, we do have a system which we

control, which the government has set for immigration policy to have

people coming in the tens of thousands. And within that cap,

students, overseas students, who come here not only to study but

spend money, they come within that cap but that is what the

Conservative government has said it should do. I think is wrong. I think

overseas students should be taken out of that but the EU has got

nothing to do with that particular issue. In terms of universities, I

declare an interest- I studied under the EU schemes, the Rasmus exchange

programme, as a student and got a huge benefit and the knowledge of

another culture, understanding how the -- another country works. What

would happen if we lose access to that framework, nobody knows. People

watching this programme say, all the universities want us to stay in

Europe, of course they are going to say that because of that 3 billion

figure, but as is about more than that. It is about coming together

and collaborating with other minds and brains, which enables us to come

up with new ideas to produce new products for these big emerging

economies that they want to buy and that is why it is so important. I am

not naive enough to think that a five-minute speech our guests,

wonderful as they were, and the way they have answered your questions,

will necessarily help you make up your mind right now but has it

helped you? It has made it a lot clearer on which side I lean towards

more. What are you leaning towards? Right now staying in the EU but I

can see the points for out as well, especially being a business owner.

The points for leaving and for staying have been highlighted a bit

more but I am more to remain within the EU. Eleanor? I'm still

completely on the fence. I see the good points of each side but I also

see the negatives of each side. So come Thursday, do you think you will

have made that judgment call by then? I hope so. I'm definitely

going to vote so I'll probably be in the polling station and it will be

like, which one do I vote for? I'm really informed so I do know what

will happen, I think, with each vote, so it is just coming down to

it and weighing of all the options. Nan, what are you leaning towards?

Just from hearing today's arguments, there is a lot of negativity with

leaving, with the whole control, control, control, and it just seems

a bit daunting to side with someone or the campaign that is just so

negative. I don't know if that makes sense. Can I ask you briefly about

David Beckham? I don't know if you've heard the news today that he

has come out for the Remain campaign. Does it make any

difference to you when very famous... You are saying it does? I

have loads of friends that play football and the prospect of playing

internationally is something they aspire to and there are rules in

place now for them to be able to play internationally right now and

it is something that they would like to remain. We don't know what that

would be like if we leave. What difference does it make to your

campaign when you hear that David Beckham is on your side? For me, I

think it's a brilliant thing but for me, it's far more important but

we've got four expert opinions here and three out of four of these guys

want to stay in at the moment and Eleanor, keep the faith. I think we

can bring you our way. Nadhim Zahawi, how do you react to David

Beckham being on the opposing camp to you? I have great respect him and

anyone else who takes a view either way. Sol Campbell has out for Vote

Leave, John Barnes has come out already. Belittles our great

inventors - James Dyson, the great manufacturer and exporter. -- but

look at our great inventors. JCB, 6000 employees making the best

diggers of the world, they have both come out saying we are better off

leaving, we will be more dynamic and will sell more to the world and be a

stronger economy and more investment in our skill set. I did the

apprenticeship job for my Prime Minister and I think it would be

much better if we come out and it would allow people to invest more in

the skills in the UK and sell to the world. Thank you very much. Only 48

more hours to go. Thank you for coming on the programme.

Still to come: China's controversial dog eating festival begins.

Thousands of animals are expected to be killed.

We investigate why, despite widespread opposition,

We'll talk to those campaigning against it.

And the little understood trade deal between the EU and the US which is

being negotiated right now, which some say could endanger the NHS. We

will tell you all you need to know about it.

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

With just two days of campaigning left before the EU referendum,

there's been a high-profile celebrity endorsement this morning.

The former England captain David Beckham says he'll be

He says after playing in Madrid, Paris and Milan,

Europe gave his family the opportunity to enjoy "unique

Beckham's former England teammate Sol Campbell has regularly been

Meanwhile, David Cameron was warned by his own officials four years ago

that his immigration target was impossible while inside the EU -

that's according to the PM's former director of strategy.

Steve Hilton - who's backing the Vote Leave campaign

in the EU referendum - claims Mr Cameron was warned

"explicitly and directly" that EU free movement rules meant net

migration could not be reduced below the target

Downing Street says it doesn't recognise the story.

Measures to tighten gun controls following the attack at a gay

nightclub in Florida in which 49 people were killed have been

Four proposals were brought before the Senate.

But it rejected plans to tighten gun controls, including the restriction

of weapons sales to people on terrorism watch lists.

Senators disagreed about how to prevent more attacks

A British man accused of trying to assassinate Donald Trump has

Michael Sandford didn't enter a plea to a charge

Investigators say he told them he drove to a rally held

by the Republican presidential candidate on Saturday

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

And the sport now. Here is Sally live in Paris.

A stunning 3-0 win for Wales over Russia sees them through to the last

16 of the European Championship - and they've done so as

It's only the second time Wales have qualified for the latter stages of

England are also through but it was a disappointing goalless

Roy Hodgson's side finished second in group B.

Northen Ireland will be hoping to follow England and Wales

into the last 16 but they face a tough task against world

champions Germany here in Paris this afternoon.

England's cricketers are in action today against Sri Lanka in the first

one-day international of the five-match series.

England's women will also play their first one-day

international against Pakistan today after rain at Leicester yesterday.

More sport coming up in the next half-hour. See you then.

Thank you very much. It was perhaps the most poignant

and moving moment the House of Commons has ever seen -

MPs were recalled to Parliament yesterday to pay tribute

to the murdered Labour MP Jo Cox. Throughout the programme this

morning, we're playing you some Let me begin by saying

again Jo's own words. "Who can blame desperate parents

for wanting to escape the horror that their

families are experiencing? "Children are being killed

on their way to school. "One in three children have grown up

knowing nothing but fear and war. "Those children have been exposed

to things no child should ever witness, and I know that

I would risk life and limb to get my two precious babies out

of that hellhole." When Jo spoke, Mr Speaker, we

all listened. Because the principle she drew

on in that speech and in life is the simple idea that

we have more in common Her words demonstrate that

if we choose, we do not always have to see ourselves as different

from those far away. We all listened because her words

spoke to each and every one of us. Now, to know Jo, even a little bit,

was to understand how proud she was in her family, and to hear

her relish her role as a mum. Many of her friends have spoken

of that joy, that warmth, She had a way of talking,

not just about herself, her own ideas, but always

what we could do together. Jo took on the toughest of problems,

the most forgotten causes, and fought campaigns

that we could all feel a part of, Whether Darfur or the DRC,

Jo knew how easily our global responsibilities fade from view

without conscious activism. As Jo herself wrote,

this active internationalist It has been and is still contested

across the political spectrum. So Jo wrote about a fight not just

for one country, one people or one cause,

but a worldview that bestowed on each of us rights, and on all

of us the responsibility to protect. This is especially true in relation

to her activism in pursuit Faced with the great joy and great

risk of motherhood, women So when the world could not find

the wherewithal to meet the Millennium Development Goal

to cut maternal mortality, Jo took on this huge challenge

and made global leaders sit up Now, Jo didn't just

believe that women's She was a feminist whose activism

saved women's lives and whose political skill got women elected

to this House. Many in this place will have

never seen the quiet, careful work of Jo and her

colleagues at the Labour Women's Network to give women the knowledge

and the networks to take She did it not by hectoring

or lecturing, but by believing in the goodness of others,

and as Jo's friend and mine, Kirsty McNeill, has written,

half holding you upright, That was what it meant to have Jo's

arm around your shoulder, and how we all long for those arms

around our shoulder today. Mr Speaker, those words from Jo's

maiden speech must therefore truly We are far more united and have far

more in common with each other Jo's vision of our country,

explained in that speech she made, is one we know

in our hearts to be true. It's not where you come

from that matters. It's the compassion and love

in your heart. You might be proud

of your home town, as Jo was, but you know

that compassion doesn't And here's another

thing that doesn't end. She gave love to us all,

and that can never be lost. We may feel lost today,

Mr Speaker, but inside us all, And we'll keep playing you some

of those tributes throughout Thousands of dogs will be

slaughtered at an annual dog-eating festival which has begun

in South West China. That's despite a petition signed

by 11 million people handed in to Beijing by celebrities

and campaigners that calls Here's a short film about how

the festival began Some of the images we're

going to show over the next ten You may not want young children to

see them. The lychee and dog meat festival,

known as the Yulin festival, is an annual event where roughly

10,000 to 15,000 dogs and cats It takes place this week

in the city of Yulin. That's in a largely rural

and poor region of China. The Chinese tradition of eating dog

meat dates back around 500 years, and is believed to ward off

the heat of summer. Around 10 to 20 million dogs

are killed for their meat each year This festival began in 2010

to celebrate the summer solstice. While slaughtering dogs is common

in China, the festival is seen to represent the cruelty

of the largely unregulated industry. Some of the animals

killed are stolen pets, still wearing their collars

as they die. Others are sent to the festival

in small cages without food or water, having travelled

hundreds of miles. The animals tend to be

slaughtered whilst still alive. Some restaurant owners

claim their adrenaline-rich We are here asking you to

stop the cruelty. While there is no law in the UK

saying you can't eat a cat or dog, People in Western countries see dogs

as their pets. It's different in China,

where they're not viewed However, it's not the only country

where people eat these Jill Robinson, founder

of Animals Asia Foundation. Rebecca Pow, Conservative MP

and Chair of the Animal Welfare And Andrea Gung, founder

of the Dou Dou Project that aims to change people's perceptions

about dogs in Yulin. Andrea tell us how you're trying to

do that? I have been to Yulin many times because I really want to end

the dog meat trade. Not just the dog meat festival because what we have

to understand in Yulin people eat dogs year round, not just on one

day. On this day, the dog meat pestively they just eat more dogs.

So after I have been there many times I talked to a lot of local

people. I realised to totally end this practise, we just have to

change people's mindset. No consumption, no killing. So that's

what I decided we're going to reach out to the community throughout the

events programme toe educate people to make them -- to educate people.

To look at dogs as a cam pannian and educate them and teach them how

valuable dogs are for human beings Peter, the dog eating industry, the

culture in China goes back hundreds of years. I wonder how long do you

predict it will take to stop the Yulin Festival, if ever? Well, Jill

would be best to talk about this. I think it will happen. I think

because there is a huge amount of public shock at what is happening,

to do with the cruelty really. It is how the animal is dispatched and I'm

not suggesting that we do things better here and I'm not criticising

if you want to call it culture, but it is a disastrous process and very

horrible and it must stop, but I think Jill will be better... Go

ahead Jill. The issue in Yulin, it is actually part of a problem

country wide. I think the community at large wants dog eat to go end.

What they are recognising now these are dogs stolen from the streets and

from people's loving homes. It is become ago social disharmony issue

and it is becoming a public health issue because many of the dogs are

poisoned so the diseased daushtion the to beingic meat is entering the

food chain in China. More people are beginning to understand that

prospective as well. From a politician's point of view what, are

you doing about this, Rebecca? It is difficult for one Government or

country to pronounce that they don't like what another country eats. So

one has to tread carefully with this. We can't say, "We don't like

you eating dog meat." They eat guinea pigs in South America. It is

not something we would do in this country because dogs are pets. It is

a cultural change. In our Government, debates have been held

in Parliament on this. There was one back in November. Actually calling

for a ban, but our minister, you know, promised he will write to

governments, he would speak to them, we will do the softly softly

approach, but there is leverage there and I think one of the big

levers is encouraging change, but the health aspect because rabies is

a big issue and the incidents of rabies in Yulin province is the

highest in China and it is believed it is connected with eating dogs

which have got rabies. One in ten dogs are not vaccinated for rabies

and there is a risk of catching it from the slaughter houses and from

the butchering and from eating it. There is no regime to control that.

It contravenes the World Health Organization, you know, standards

that would, I suggest, be a good way that we can start to influence aside

from the ghastly things they do in slaughter houses, we need to

encourage adoption of better methods and standards. How are some of the

animals killed for this festival? Oh goodness. Well, they are beaten over

the heads. They have knives put through their jugulars. They are

sometimes put fully conscious into boiling water to strip the fur from

their bodies. So the cruelty is rife across the country. But again, I

think, you know, I think the point is so many local groups now in

China, 150 local groups, I was at a conference last week in China, where

local groups, where the Government officials, where the police were

coming along just talking about the issues and how they can, how they

can address the problem of dog ownership management in China. So

for example, the police are lowering the registration for people to have

dogs. They're lowering the prices of vaccinations and they are making it

easier for people to have dogs in community and they are slowly,

slowly being able to see that dogs have a benefit in society. We have

adopt a dog programme which is animal therapy across four provinces

in the country. Where you know people recognise the good that dogs

bring into the community. So it is a shift as Rebecca was saying of

public perception as well. Peter, in terms of you supporting this

campaign, what is it that's motivating you? My care for animal

welfare. I mean, I think it is worth pointing out that there is, as Jill

has said, a growing concern for the lives of animals in China and I

think we should, we have to resist taking a powerful position because

of the media attention and the horrible images that you see on

television and on the internet and you also see a whole variety of

small groups that come up waving a very powerful banner which creates a

very cultural problem dealing with this serious problem and I, which is

why I support what the big charities do and Animals Asia which is to work

from within and to spread the vital concept of animal welfare and care

for our companions and dogs are central to that will point of view.

They are our best friends and they deserve better as indeed all animals

deserve better from humans on this planet.

Andrea, a final thought from you in terms of you trying to change

people's perceptions of dogs. How much success do you think you're

having? Yes, I will just come back to your other question, is it

helpful? Yes, I have to act. It is very, very helpful and how soon

you're asking? Not very long because what happened in China is, you must

know China has this one child policy in the last 30 years. Every family

can only have one child. Now, this one child generation are in their

30s now. Who do they grow up with? They have no siblings so they grow

up with pets, cats, dogs, bunnies and turtles. They love their pets as

much as we do. So they hate this dog meat trade as much as we do. Other

young people they loss their pets to the dog meat trade and they become

die hard activists to change it. Now they are in their 30s and they work

for the Government and they work for the media and they are internet

savvy and so they spread a message like wildfire. I'm hopeful in young

generation will end this cruel trade in the near future. Thank you very

much. I'm going to leave it there. Thank

you for coming on the programme. It is time for the weather. Here is

Carol. Well, today we have got quite a bit of cloud across our shores.

You can see where it has broken and some of us are seeing lovely

sunshine and feeling warm too in the sunshine today, but we have showers

across Western Scotland and some in Northern Ireland. Here it is also

breezy. Dlu the day, a bit more cloud will develop. We will still

hang on to sunny spells, but you might just see the odd shower coming

out for example in the south-west. And so quite a bit of drizzle across

the Channel Islands. Top temperature 22 Celsius. Through this evening and

overnight, well, once again, we're going to see some cloud build. We

will start to see rain coming in across south-west England, fringing

in through parts of Wales and getting up to the Midlands and down

towards Hampshire. The showers persist across the north-west, but

it won't be a particularly cold night. Tomorrow the rain continues

to advance into Yorkshire and Lincolnshire and another band comes

up behind it. Muggy in the South East and still showery across the

north-west. Our top story today:

With only two days to go until the EU referendum,

it's making your mind up time. David Beckham has -

he says he's backing Remain. David Cameron's under more

fire over immigration. This morning, two politicians have

been making a last-ditch pitch to you about why you should

vote to leave or remain. We'll still trade but we'll trade

with the rest of the world, we'll have a dynamic economy, more jobs,

more investment in schools and hospitals and in skills in our

country. Will become outward looking and truly dynamic and positive.

Every single major independent economic forecaster, the biggest

profile one as the Bank of England, have said that there will be a shock

to the economy and usually when there is a short-term shock, at the

very least, youth unemployment gets hit first. Also in the programme:

England and Wales are through but in very different ways. Yes, an

incredible performance from Wales here in France yesterday, beating

Russia 3-0. England also through but they could only manage a goalless

draw with Slovakia. And what is TTIP and should you be worried about it?

A number of you got in touch with us to ask us to look into it, so we

have. So it's basically a trade agreement between the US and the EU.

It's not just a trade deal, it's an investment deal as well. It means

corporations have a huge amount of say. So you two guys are in the same

place? No, we are in total different places. I think it is a good thing,

he doesn't. Here's Joanna with a summary

of today's news. With just two days of campaigning

left before the EU referendum, there's been a high profile

celebrity endorsement this morning. The former England captain

David Beckham says he'll be He says after playing

in Madrid, Paris and Milan - Europe gave his family

the opportunity to enjoy "unique Beckham's former England team mate

Sol Campbell has regularly been Meanwhile, David Cameron was warned

by his own officials four years ago that his immigration target

was impossible while inside the EU - that's according to the PM's former

director of strategy. Steve Hilton - who's backing

the Vote Leave campaign in the EU referendum -

claims Mr Cameron was warned "explicitly and directly" that EU

free movement rules meant net immigration could not be cut

below 100,000 a year. Downing Street says it doesn't

recognise the story. Measures to tighten gun controls

following the attack at a gay nightclub in Florida in which 49

people were killed have been Four proposals were brought

before the Senate. But it rejected plans

to tighten gun controls, including the restriction of weapons

sales to people on Senators disagreed about how

to prevent more attacks Sir Cliff Richard has said

the stress of being publicly named as a suspect of sexual crimes

that he did not commit was so severe The singer has recently been told

the allegations will not be pursued. He's told the Daily Mail he's been

left physically and emotionally exhausted by a two-year ordeal that

began when South Yorkshire Police raided his home after

an apparent tip-off. That's a summary of

the latest BBC News. Thanks to those of you who got in

touch about the conversation a few minutes ago about the dog festival.

Sam has e-mailed to say, thank you for speaking about this horror.

Fiona tweets, it has to stop, pets rounded apple, boiled alive for

food, it is hideous. And late in e-mail says it is terribly cruel and

inhumane and many of those animals are stolen pet. Time for the sport

now and here is Sally in Paris. Lots to talk about this morning. A

fantastic win last night for Wales against Russia. A 3-0 victory for

them. England are also through to the next round but they could only

manage a goalless draw against Slovakia but I think there is a good

game in England. This team have a better performance in them. Maybe

we'll see it. But now it's time to look

forward to - hopefully, fingers crossed - another

home nation making it Northern Ireland won't

have it easy, though. They're up against world champions

Germany here in Paris later. And maybe they have a secret weapon

at the Parc des Princes. Katie Gornall is there,

looking ahead to their chances. Northern Ireland in a very good

position here ahead of this game with Germany. They know that point

against the world champions would definitely see them through to the

last 16 and even the three points they already have maybe enough for

them to progress if the results go their way. Will have to wait to see

other permutations play out but there are sure to be a few nerves

when the players walked out of this tunnel later, alongside the world

champions. But if they are looking for a good omen, they may have found

it here. Let me introduce you to Jonathan, the head groundsman, and

also from Northern Ireland. How special is it for you to have

Northern Ireland playing at this grand? It's like a dream come true

for me. When I was riveted three years ago I knew the Euros would be

here in France but never in my wildest dreams did I think that

Northern Ireland would qualify for euros. But honestly we've qualified

for the first time and when the draw took place for Northern Ireland to

come out and play here, it was another level. It was like a dream

come true for me and I would say it is the highlight of my career.

You've had your work a doubt for you over the last few days. Yes, it's

been a bit disappointing. We were looking forward to the tournament

and last year we had record temperature is a 48 degrees of the

stadium so we were worried about about the heat stress on the grass

and it has completely turned full circle and the last six weeks it has

just been nonstop rain here in Paris and it has made it very difficult

for us. From here the pitch looks fantastic. With you be able to relax

at any point when the game is going on and watch and support Northern

Ireland? Unfortunately, I'm a football fanatic and I love football

but when the players are playing on your pitch, it is a nervous time for

me and the players. Once the final whistle goes, I can finally relax,

which is a little bit hard, but as a football fan, obviously, I enjoy the

occasion like the rest of the fans and hopefully get a win for Northern

Ireland. Presumably your message to the players, known the slide

celebrations. Maybe if Northern Ireland score, I'll let it go! -- no

me slide celebrations. If they are able to get a result against their

opponents, they might be able to make history.

Tomorrow, the Republic of Ireland play Italy and their fans have been

winning admirers all over France - and perhaps this is why...

A group of them on a train, signing a lullabye to a baby.

Do you like that bit at the end where they all go to Bob? I know

we've talked a lot about the behaviour of fans here but I think

it is important to note that they have all been fantastic. -- where

they go two. More from Sally in Paris later. A

memorial fund set up in honour of the murdered Labour MP Jo Cox has

raised more than ?1 million in three days. The target is 1.5 million.

They are definitely going to reach that target, aren't they? Absolutely

remarkable. Yesterday MPs returned to the House

of Commons to pay tribute to her. They all wore a white

rose, the symbol of A white rose and a red rose

were placed in her usual place Her husband Brendan

and their two children, who are five and three,

were in the public gallery, along with her parents Jean and Gordon,

sister Kim and other family members. During the programme today we're

playing you some of the most poignant speeches in full -

and at times you'll see politicians looking up at the public gallery

to watch her family's reaction. The Conservative MP and former

International Development Minister Andrew Mitchell first met

Jo Cox ten years ago, marching against injustice

in Sudan and then staying with her in the region,

where she was working for Oxfam. They went on to form a cross-party

all-parliamentary group on Syria. Mr Speaker, today, we mourn

the terrible loss of our friend and colleague Jo, so tragically

murdered as she went about her constituency

duties last Thursday. The life has been taken

of a truly exceptional woman, whose goodness and passion,

dedication to humanitarian values, I knew her as a friend,

but how unbearable must it be for those who mourn her

as a daughter, sister, husband, and above all,

as their beloved mum, who they used to visit for tea each

week in Portcullis House. I first met Jo ten years ago

in London when we marched And on two visits to Al-Fashir

in Darfur, where she helped develop a central humanitarian

role for Oxfam. The Leader of the Opposition

as he then was and I stayed there with her and other

humanitarian workers, and witnessed her crucial role

for Oxfam in supporting women and children, and securing water

for thousands of refugees I wear it still to ensure

that we remember the desperate people caught up in what

President Bush rightly And it is amongst her many friends

and colleagues in the international humanitarian and development family

all around the world, of which she was such a respected

and experienced member, that she will be mourned

and remembered as a staunch friend of the most desperate and deprived

in our world, and as a campaigner When she entered this House just 13

short months ago, she rapidly used her deep knowledge

to champion the dispossessed. She was Labour to her fingertips,

but restlessly dismissive of party political manoeuvring,

which she saw as a Making common cause with a crusty

old Tory, she and I became co-chairs Her energy and effectiveness

were an inspiration. We invited ourselves to tea

with the Russian ambassador With clever charm but steely

determination, this five-foot bundle of old-fashioned Yorkshire common

sense dressed him down for his country's cruelty

and cynicism in Syria. I do not believe the Russian

ambassador will easily Mr Speaker, I think there are many

things Jo would want us I do not believe she would want this

vile and unspeakable act to change the open and accessible relationship

we enjoy with our constituents. All of us take the advice

of our local police in protecting Thankfully, the record shows these

attacks are as infrequent Secondly, Jo would want us in this

House to redouble our efforts to resolve the greatest

catastrophe of our age. The crisis in Syria,

where the lives of more than 11 million people have been

ruined while the international community has shown

itself disorganised, But Mr Speaker, I mourn Jo today

as a friend and as a colleague. But most of all, I mourn

for her as a mother whose two gorgeous children will now have

to chart the shoals and eddies of life without the love

and support of their Andrew Mitchell, Conservative MP.

David Beckham has come out in support of remaining in the European

Union and our political Guru Norman Smith can tell us more to it what

does he say in his statement? Just before we get to that, on the

cusp of a referendum you might think David Cameron be talking about the

economy but he is tweeting about David Beckham, so the PM says,

"David Beckham is clear, we should be facing the problems of the world

together and not alone". This after David Beckham issued a statement

saying he has played for clubs in lots of different parts of Europe

and Milan and with lots of international stars and what that

has taught him is that you are better working together with other

people. His statement here... Let me read you the nub of it. He says, "We

live in a vibrant and connected world where together as a people we

are strong. For our children and their children, we should be facing

the world together and not alone". Downing Street obviously utterly

delighted because there are celebrities and, hey, there are

celebrities and David Beckham is, hey, a celebrity. How much impact it

will have in the real world? I don't know. Sometime celebrities can

backfire. You may remember when Kenny Everett came out to back Mrs

Thatcher and made a rather unfortunate speech about Michael

foot, which was regarded as a disaster. Clint Eastwood was out

backing Mitt Romney in the last US presidential election and he ended

up rambling around stage talking to a chair, I kid you not. So these

things can backfire. At a more mundane level, the ordinary

referendum campaign goes on. The most striking thing today is Steve

Hilton, Mr Cameron's former head of policy, formerly a close friend,

laying into the PM again over immigration, saying that the PM was

apparently warned in 2012 by his own officials that there was no chance,

zilch chance, of being able to meet his pledge of getting net migration

down to the tens of thousands as long as we remained in the EU. I can

tell you in the past few minutes, just talking to one figure in

government, they are saying they've been through all the papers and can

find no record of such a meeting. Indeed they say that at the time, Mr

Cameron was apparently being told that getting net migration down to

the tens of thousands was perfectly achievable. So Morove and argy-bargy

over immigration, which we are going to get in these last couple of days.

Thanks, Norman. Next this morning,

what is TTIP and why It's a subject that many of you have

asked us to look into. It stands for the Transatlantic

Trade and Investment Partnership. It sounds very dull,

but many of you are worried that it could lead to privatisation

of the NHS and an erosion of workers' rights, along

with lower standards on food Our reporter Catrin Nye

has been investigating and hopefully explains

TTIP simply and clearly. It's very early in the morning

and I'm on the Underground in London with an activist

who is very anti-TTIP. We're going to do some

work on the Tube. So, these signs that

are going in the empty spaces on the Tubes are basically meant

to imitate the Tube signs that already exist, but with

anti-TTIP messages. This man and other campaigners say

that TTIP threatens food safety, the NHS, democracy

and workers' rights. But those that are for TTIP say it

will mean more jobs, and more things much cheaper

for you, the customer. Here's the background so you can

make your own mind up. TTIP stands for the Transatlantic

Trade and Investment Partnership. And as you may have guessed,

it's pronounced tee-tip. Negotiated in secret,

it's a deal to cut import and export taxes and regulatory barriers

to trade between the US and EU countries, making it easier

for companies on either side Industries it will affect

include pharmaceuticals, cars, energy, finance,

chemicals, clothing A deal that could add as much

as ?100 billion to the EU economy, ?80 billion to the US economy

and as much as ?85 billion Two million extra jobs,

more choice and lower prices The biggest bilateral

trade deal in history. As you see other markets like China

and Asia beginning to develop and Africa, we've got to make sure

that our businesses can compete, because at least in

the United States, 95% of the world's markets are outside

of our borders. TTIP is especially unpopular in

Germany. Thousands protested

when Obama came to visit. The protesters and other critics say

the deal would favour big business and lower standards on products,

on safety and on the environment. France has expressed serious

concerns about TTIP as it stands, As it stands, we too,

would reject TTIP and As well as the London Underground,

anti-TTIP protesters are in Leeds It is a massive handover of power

to corporations from governments. There are no problems in trade

between the EU and the US It is one of the healthiest

trade routes there is. And if TTIP was just about trade,

reducing tariffs and breaking down trade barriers,

I don't think many people The I in TTIP stands for investment,

and the investment chapter is what really gives corporations

the power and takes it away But I've also invited along

Allie Rennison from the Institute Trade liberalisation has a very good

track record of bringing down prices for consumers,

making things cheaper to access, giving consumers more quality,

a better variety of goods And so at the end of the day it

makes it cheaper to enjoy And currently she is doing a good

job of trying to take over It's basically a trade agreement

between the US and the EU. It means that corporations

have a huge amount of say. So you two guys are in

the same place? No, we're in totally

different places. Many people, like this man,

hadn't heard of TTIP. The public interest

and awareness is increasing. Have you heard about TTIP,

the trade deal we're brokering There are some key debates

when talking about TTIP. It just seems very

undemocratic to me. The first is focused

on the inclusion in the deal of another acronym, ISDS,

which in stands for Investor This procedure would allow companies

to sue foreign governments over claims of unfair treatment,

and be entitled to compensation. If you think of an example recently

where the Australian government attempted to introduce plain

packaging on cigarettes. Philip Morris, the makers

of Marlborough, decided to sue the Australian government over this,

and failed on a technicality, but that type of case would be

repeated in the future, and it will curtail our Government's

ability to protect health, the environment and food safety

and financial regulations. What it is about is enforcing

international law. It's ensuring that firms

can't be discriminated That's the nice version,

but tobacco companies suing governments for trying to protect

the health of their citizens, But if we look at what they're suing

for, they're suing for the recovery of their assets, they're not suing

to change the decision. It's a net balance

effect, basically. You take the risk as a government

that potentially you might be sued by a firm under a very limited set

of circumstances, but the rate of return that you get on that

company investment in the country outweighs substantially any

of the risks that you take by having If you put your e-mail address down,

we'll send you more information about how you can get more involved

in the campaign. You're saying you don't

know too much about it, If TTIP is brought in,

they can more or less sue the NHS. In the UK, controversy

around ISDS has focused I think it will encourage

the privatisation of the NHS. What TTIP does is it

locks out liberalisation. So if something has been privatised,

it's going to be very difficult and very expensive for a future

government to take it back in house. If you look at all the trade

agreements that have gone before, there are always very clear

provisions that say the way that public services are organised always

remains a priority and a choice So there is no way that TTIP

is going to forcibly They have got your

interests at heart? Trade, dependence upon each other

for positive reasons, The other thing your stall

is covered in are signs The thing we really

have a problem with is issues In the European Union,

there are over 1300 chemicals banned In America, that list

is only 11 strong. They want to harmonise this,

and we are concerned that this will introduce potentially dangerous

chemicals into our cosmetics. There are plenty of areas,

the examples in chemicals where standards are so different

that there is going to be no process on changes to existing standards,

but what this is about, because you have a lot

of companies that trade between the EU and the US,

they are going to be impacted by differences

in regulation going forward, so a lot of what TTIP in that area

is doing is about joint If we leave the EU,

this is done away with, we don't need to worry

about it any more? I don't think leaving the EU

is the solution to this problem, because those in charge

of the argument to leave are very keen on negotiating a similar deal

between the UK and the US, so I think we'll be out

of the frying pan and into the fire. The pro side say TTIP means stronger

economies both here and in the US, The antis say it means

lower product standards, companies suing governments

and a threat to the NHS. So many of you have got in touch

to ask about TTIP and what it means Scott Smith who is in Leeds

and Ewan McFadyen who is in Glasgow. Here in the studio to answer some

of their questions is Dr Dennis Novy He was the advisor to a House

of Lords inquiry into TTIP in 2013 Explain to our audience why you say

you're neutral on issue of TTIP? I'm abacademic who works in

international trade. I've looked into the detail a lot and I have

been to a lot of public events on this and I have come to the

conclusion on balance this is probably a good thing for the UK

economy. OK. Right. Scott, welcome. What would you like to ask Dennis?

What the implications are for the privatisation of the NHS are if we

were to implement TTIP? This is a very good question. To cut it short,

this agreement has nothing to do with the NHS. A lot of people are

concerned about the privatisation of the NHS and I think rightly so in my

view, but this is all down to what the Government decides and what

Parliament decides in Westminster. They can privatise or not privatise

the NHS. The European Union to this day, has almost nothing to do with

the NHS and by extension, any trade agreement that the European Union

agrees or may agree at some point has nothing to do with it. This

issue has come in because it has worked as a political weapon for

campaigners to scare people into believing that somehow this might

lead it a privatisation of the NHS, but there is no connection there.

Scott, do you accept that? Yes, Scott, yes? What I've read is that

it there could be loopholes and corporations could find loopholes in

the agreement which could mean that they could end up investing or suing

if they weren't able to. If the Government, if Parliament decides to

privatise the NHS or parts of the NHS then they can give out a

contract to a private company. That could be a British company. British

companies already, private companies already provide services for the

NHS? Because of the single market other companies in the European

Union can do the same. So fraench company can do the same. If there is

this trade agreement with the United States, then a company in the United

States could bid to provide services for the NHS. If the Government

decides to renationalise that particular part of the NHS, then

they would have to pay compensation to any company. So this is not

specific to the United States. This is already true even if nothing

happens with foreign companies in this context whatsoever. It could

have to pay compensation to a British company right now?

Absolutely of the that's already the law. What do you think of that then,

Scott? That's reassured me a bit. I don't have much confidence in the

current Government. But a future Government, it is up to a future

Government. Ewan. Hello. Go ahead. The NHS is an important concern, but

it is the tip of the iceberg. My concern is with food standards,

water services, all kinds of problems. All kinds of concerns. I

have seen seen the standards of food in America, GM crops, unsafe water,

my concerns are that these standards would come into the EU, come into

the UK and public service, public health would suffer? OK. Right, so

food standards is one of those really difficult issues. This is in

the negotiations. The European Union is negotiating with the United

States at the moment and standards for some products, food products

differ, this is where the two parties are trying to come to some

kind of compromise. This is a really difficult issue. Food is always an

international trade, a difficult issue. The United States are

exasperated with the pros is of food standards in the European Union

because the scientific evidence that the European Union itself provides

is commonly rejected by politicians. This is very difficult to understand

for outsiders coming from other countries. And this is one of the

issues where those two partners will have to find some agreement. It is a

difficult one. In terms of the deal being agreed,

you would say sooner or not soon? Not soon. They have been negotiating

since 2013. Nothing is going to happen any time soon because of the

presidential cycle in the United States. Next year we have elections

in France and Germany. Typically these things can take seven or eight

years, so maybe 2020. Scott and Ewan, thank you very much for your

time and your questions. And thank you very much, doctor, for coming on

the programme. It is time for the latest news

headlines. Here is Joanna. With just two days of campaigning

left before the EU referendum, there's been a high profile

celebrity endorsement this morning. The former England captain

David Beckham says he'll be He says after playing

in Madrid, Paris and Milan, Beckham's former England team mate

Sol Campbell has regularly been Meanwhile, David Cameron was warned

by his own officials four years ago that his immigration target

was impossible while inside the EU - that's according to the PM's former

director of strategy. Steve Hilton - who's backing

the Vote Leave campaign in the EU referendum -

claims Mr Cameron was warned "explicitly and directly" that EU

free movement rules meant net immigration could not be cut

below 100,000 a year. Downing Street says it doesn't

recognise the story. A British man accused of trying

to assassinate Donald Trump has Michael Sandford didn't enter a plea

to a charge of committing Investigators say he told them

he drove to a rally held by the Republican presidential

candidate on Saturday Now back to Victoria.

And the sport now. Here is Sally in Paris.

Thanks, Victoria. A stunning 3-0 win for Wales over

Russia sees them through to the last 16 of the European Championship -

and they've done so as A stunning 3-0 win for Wales over

Russia sees them through to the last It's only the second time Wales have

qualified for the latter stages of England are also through but it was

a disappointing goalless Roy Hodgson's side finished second

in group B. Northern Ireland will be hoping

to follow England and Wales into the last 16 but they face

a tough task against world champions Germany here

in Paris this afternoon. England's cricketers are in action

today against Sri Lanka in the first one-day international

of the five-match series. England's women will also

play their first one-day international against Pakistan today

after rain at Leicester yesterday. That's all the sport. Back to you,

Victoria. Thank you.

In an exclusive interview, a former aide to George Galloway tells this

programme she's "in shock" after accepting a five-figure sum

in damages from the ex-MP and former Respect Party leader over claims

she conspired to run a dirty tricks campaign against him.

It was a long and complex legal battle which started in 2012,

when George Galloway made accusations that she was

incompetent, slept with her lover in his house while he was away

and used her connections with a police officer

to help leak false to try and ruin his reputation.

Not only did she lose her job, but Aisha Ali-Khan tells

us her reputation and personal life were left in tatters

in what she describes as the "most difficult period".

George Galloway has now made a payment of five figures for damages

for those defamatory comments, and agreed to pay a further five figure

sum for the legal costs. Aisha Ali-Khan begins by telling me how

she reacted to those initial claims. Officer, what he was saying has

ready been picked up and reported upon in all the newspapers. That you

were a spy, effectively. Yes, this was back in 2012 and back then it

was reported in all the newspapers, internationally as well. It was

absolutely crazy, the level of attention that it got. Not

surprising because he was sitting MP at the time. But it wasn't just that

he said you were some kind of undercover agent but also, he was

spreading false information about you, that you were promiscuous? Yes,

and I think for a Muslim woman who has worked in the local community

for many years... I've taught in predominantly Muslim schools, led

campaigns of disability rights, I've tried to highlight issues on

domestic violence and child sexual abuse, so I was all ready very

active within the communities and had a very good reputation within

the community, which, unfortunately, because of what happened in 2012,

was now being damaged. Why do you think he was doing this? It's

difficult to say. I can give a general opinion. I think it is

difficult when you are somebody who is used to getting your own way...

And you had had a falling out, you were his Parliamentary aide. In the

end, you say you were having to do an Parliamentary duties and he

dismissed you, he sacked you. Yes. -- un-Parliamentary duties. He

sacked me for gross misconduct after he sent me my -- after he received

my e-mail is that were hacked from my e-mail account. I don't know how

he managed to get those e-mails and someone who themselves was hacked

and paid out quite handsomely, it is quite surprising that he would then

inflict the same level of trauma and feelings of being violated on

somebody else. In terms of this libel fight that you've been having

with him over the last three years, you have won. I know, thank you. How

do you feel about that? I can see how you feel. I think I'm a little

bit in shock. It still hasn't sunk in yet properly. I have had the most

amazing response from everyone, particularly because for the last 18

months or so, before Mark got involved and agreed to represent me,

I ran the case by myself. It is one of the most difficult periods of my

life, not knowing anything about defamation law, not knowing anything

on how the court system works. I had to learn everything and I had to

skill myself up, so it's been a very, very unbelievable outcome.

I'll bring in mark in just a moment but I want to ask you... You've

received a public apology from George Galloway, you've received

undisclosed libel damages, we're told five figures, he also has to

pay the legal costs as well... What is most important to you out of all

that? I think what's important top Bob well, to really important things

for me was the public apology. For me, that was really important

because it meant that he was going to put his hand up and say, "I made

a mistake and I shouldn't have said that about you". The second most

important thing for me was basically, everything I did was for

my son. He saw what had happened to me to document is only eight years

old, he witnessed everything first-hand, and it really affected

him. It was a case of, we have to stand up to bullies and I've always

taught him, ever since he was a very young child... Obviously, he saw me

as a committee activist and saw that I would go on campaigns and rallies

so he was used his mum fighting against injustice and so when this

happened to I had a choice. I could have just rolled over and let other

people win, which is what they expected me to do, or I could stand

and say, actually, you're not going to bully me, and be the only woman

who is going to stand up to you but I'm going to stand up to you whether

you like it or not. And over the years, my son has seen me,

obviously, fighting, preparing documents, piles and piles of papers

everywhere, books everywhere, and I think, I hope, that he's proud of

what I have achieved to date. Mark Lewis, tell us, were you surprised

when George Galloway's lawyers settled this case so quickly, having

fought it, apparently, for three years? Firstly, the hard work was

really done by Aisha, from the very beginning. We have to salute her

courage, strength and indefatigability, but she did a

tremendous job and she fought some very hardly go positions. That's all

about access to justice because she was pretty much left on her own to

fight the battle. So when she won, I wasn't completely surprised, I

wasn't completely taken away, because it was going to trial but it

was because of the groundwork Aisha had done. I'd love to take the

credit but I can't do that. But in the end, you cannot make up false

stuff about other people and potentially get away with it? Well,

that's a more important point. Aisha had the guts to stand up to someone

and said, I'm standing up and taking you to court, perhaps ignoring the

threats and advice from lawyers and the difficulty of getting lawyers