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This morning, an exclusive report on the Isle of Wight Five. | :00:08. | :00:14. | |
A group of men convicted of smuggling ?53 million | :00:15. | :00:17. | |
But could new evidence suggest they're innocent? | :00:18. | :00:27. | |
This chart would have been really important to the jury in reaching a | :00:28. | :00:32. | |
conviction because what it purports to show is the fishing vessel coming | :00:33. | :00:36. | |
across the track of the container vessel as it moved up the English | :00:37. | :00:41. | |
Channel, and that, the police insisted, showed that it was | :00:42. | :00:43. | |
possible for drugs to have been transferred from the container | :00:44. | :00:44. | |
vessel onto the fishing vessel. We'll bring you that full report | :00:45. | :00:47. | |
in the next few minutes. Plus, an exclusive interview | :00:48. | :00:49. | |
with a 45-year-old father of two from Yorkshire who's banned | :00:50. | :00:52. | |
from having sex unless he gives This has been devastating for people | :00:53. | :01:08. | |
around me. The first thing that happened was my children won't speak | :01:09. | :01:13. | |
to me now. They've deleted me from Facebook, they don't live in the UK. | :01:14. | :01:15. | |
John O'Neill has had a sexual risk order imposed on him. | :01:16. | :01:18. | |
He tells us he's not a dangerous man. | :01:19. | :01:20. | |
We'll bring you that first and in-depth interview just | :01:21. | :01:22. | |
And state-sponsored doping on an unprecedented scale. | :01:23. | :01:33. | |
The Moscow laboratory operated for the protection of doped Russian | :01:34. | :01:40. | |
athletes within a state directed system. | :01:41. | :01:41. | |
The International Olympic Committee is meeting today to decide | :01:42. | :01:44. | |
whether the entire Russian team should be banned from | :01:45. | :01:46. | |
We'll talk to athletes who say they absolutely should be banned. | :01:47. | :02:03. | |
Throughout the programme we'll bring you the latest breaking news | :02:04. | :02:09. | |
and developing stories and, as always, really keen to hear | :02:10. | :02:11. | |
from you on all the stories we're talking about. | :02:12. | :02:13. | |
Do get in touch in the usual ways - | :02:14. | :02:15. | |
If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
MPs have overwhelmingly approved the renewal of the Trident | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
in favour - due in no small part to the fact that more | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
than half of Labour MPs voted for the deterrent, and | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
From Westminster, our political correspondent Tom Bateman | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
A vote on the future of Britain's nuclear fleet. | :02:37. | :02:42. | |
The result was never really in question. | :02:43. | :02:54. | |
A decisive win for the government, backing a new generation of nuclear | :02:55. | :02:57. | |
People put politics aside and marched to the lobbies in | :02:58. | :03:03. | |
Defence is the first job of government. | :03:04. | :03:12. | |
But the vote exposed deep divisions within the Labour Party. | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
140 of its MPs voted with the government. | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
Their leader Jeremy Corbyn, a lifelong campaigner for | :03:20. | :03:22. | |
nuclear disarmament, opposed the motion. | :03:23. | :03:30. | |
The plan to replace this ageing nuclear | :03:31. | :03:31. | |
fleet was also opposed by the | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
Scottish National Party, who say its continuing stationing | :03:37. | :03:37. | |
on the River Clyde could speed moves towards | :03:38. | :03:39. | |
MPs have been filing out of here after a decisive vote | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
What it has also done is expose the deep divisions currently | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
That is convenient for a brand-new Prime Minister trying to | :03:48. | :03:51. | |
demonstrate unity in her party after the turmoil | :03:52. | :03:53. | |
The Prime Minister will hold her first cabinet meeting this morning. | :03:54. | :04:01. | |
Last night's Commons win is likely to give her a boost, but many | :04:02. | :04:04. | |
Our political guru Norman Smith is in Westminster. | :04:05. | :04:11. | |
Another illustration of the deep divisions within Labour. How | :04:12. | :04:18. | |
damaging is this one? Extraordinary because in normal times you would | :04:19. | :04:21. | |
think if you are a labour leader and more than half of your MPs vote | :04:22. | :04:24. | |
against you, this morning you will be scrabbling around picking up the | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
pieces, calling emergency meetings, getting on the blower to Rebels, | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
desperately trying to shore up your position. That is not what is | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
happening. Anything, Mr Corbyn's team seem pretty relaxed. You | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
scratch your head and think, why is this? The answer is that they take | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
the view that Mr Corbyn's opposition to nuclear weapons is actually | :04:46. | :04:48. | |
hugely popular amongst many ordinary Labour Party members. They say | :04:49. | :04:51. | |
that's why you got his huge mandate in the first place to become Labour | :04:52. | :04:57. | |
leader but they also calculate that in the looming contest to choose a | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
new Labour leader, not only does it differentiate himself from his | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
potential challengers, Owen Smith and Angela Eagle, who backed | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
Trident, but more than that it plays to his narrative as being the dye | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
who is going to stand up to the old fusty establishment Parliamentary | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
party, the true radical, the grassroots favourite. In other | :05:20. | :05:25. | |
words, the vote last night, although it was a huge setback, you would | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
think, on the face of it, actually Mr Corbyn's people think it will | :05:31. | :05:33. | |
play extraordinarily well for him in the forthcoming leadership contest. | :05:34. | :05:34. | |
Thank you, Norman, for the moment. Now over to the BBC | :05:35. | :05:37. | |
Newsroom for a summary Thank you and good morning. | :05:38. | :05:45. | |
A hand-painted flag of so-called Islamic State has been found at the | :05:46. | :05:49. | |
home of the 17-year-old Afghan refugee who attacked several people | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
with an axe and a knife on a train in Germany. The teenager was shot | :05:55. | :05:57. | |
dead by police in the attack near the southern city of word spoke. Two | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
those injured are in a critical condition. The teenager who claimed | :06:03. | :06:05. | |
asylum after travelling to Germany as an unaccompanied Minor had been | :06:06. | :06:07. | |
living with a foster family. The Russian Olympic committee has | :06:08. | :06:10. | |
issued a statement in the last hour saying it stands against doping - | :06:11. | :06:13. | |
and the fate of honest athletes shouldn't depend | :06:14. | :06:15. | |
on unproven accusations. It comes as the International | :06:16. | :06:17. | |
Olympic Committee prepares to decide whether or not to ban all Russian | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
athletes from the Games in Rio. Russia is accused of operating | :06:23. | :06:25. | |
a state-sponsored doping programme for four years across the "vast | :06:26. | :06:28. | |
majority" of summer The country's track-and-field | :06:29. | :06:30. | |
team is already banned It's been a raucous start | :06:31. | :06:32. | |
to the Republican convention that will confirm Donald Trump | :06:33. | :06:38. | |
as the party's There were rowdy scenes when a group | :06:39. | :06:40. | |
of delegates were refused permission to register their | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
opposition to Mr Trump. Later a series of his supporters, | :06:45. | :06:46. | |
including former Mayor of New York Rudy Guiliani, | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
made speeches on the theme of the convention, | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
Make America Safe Again. Mr Trump introduced a speech | :06:54. | :06:55. | |
by his wife, Melania. If you want someone to fight for you | :06:56. | :07:08. | |
and your country, I can assure you, he's at the guy. He will never ever | :07:09. | :07:19. | |
give up and, most importantly, he will never ever let you down. | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
A legal charity says there's evidence of a miscarriage of justice | :07:25. | :07:27. | |
in the drug-smuggling convictions of a group of fishermen | :07:28. | :07:29. | |
In an exclusive report, our programme investigates | :07:30. | :07:32. | |
who were sentenced to up to 24 years in jail for a plot involving nearly | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
We've found changed stories and damaged evidence. | :07:38. | :07:40. | |
A man who has to give police 24 hours' notice before having sex | :07:41. | :07:45. | |
with a woman for the first time has told this programme | :07:46. | :07:48. | |
45-year-old John O'Neill has been placed on a sexual risk order | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
after being found not guilty of rape. | :07:53. | :07:55. | |
But North Yorkshire Police applied for the order after the court | :07:56. | :07:57. | |
was told he had a fascination with rape fantasies and was | :07:58. | :08:00. | |
You can hear that exclusive interview with us later in the show. | :08:01. | :08:07. | |
Los Angeles police are investigating after a Playboy model publicly | :08:08. | :08:09. | |
shared a photograph of another woman naked in a gym changing room. | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
Captioned "if I can't unsee this then you can't either", Dani Mathers | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
posted the image beside one of herself covering her | :08:19. | :08:21. | |
She later apologised, saying she thought the Snapchat post | :08:22. | :08:26. | |
It's illegal in California to share a person's naked image | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
She's also come in for a major social media backlash. | :08:31. | :08:43. | |
Later in the programme we'll bring you that exclusive interview | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
with a man who has been ordered to give police 24 hour | :08:47. | :08:49. | |
notice before any sexual activity with a new partner. | :08:50. | :08:52. | |
He says that includes even kissing. That is just after 9:30am. | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
We will start with an update on the vacant England manager post it up in | :08:58. | :09:08. | |
the last few minutes, the BBC can confirm that the Hull manager Steve | :09:09. | :09:12. | |
Bruce had an interview for the position with the FA panel | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
yesterday. Sunderland manager Sam Allardyce also held talks last week. | :09:18. | :09:21. | |
More on that throughout the day as we get it. | :09:22. | :09:23. | |
Chris Froome can enjoy today's rest day at the Tour de France, | :09:24. | :09:26. | |
with his lead of nearly two minutes still intact. | :09:27. | :09:28. | |
Peter Sagan won yesterday's stage in the Swiss capital Berne, | :09:29. | :09:30. | |
but two-time winner Froome crossed the line in 13th to maintain his | :09:31. | :09:33. | |
There are now four days of racing before the final stage | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
Froome is the race favourite, but isn't taking | :09:39. | :09:41. | |
Other teams have said they're going to attack next week in the Alps, at | :09:42. | :10:00. | |
this week in the Alps, sorry. And I expect they will do. So to say that | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
the two's won, and I don't have any rivals, that's rubbish. | :10:06. | :10:08. | |
James Anderson, Ben Stokes and Adil Rashid have all been added | :10:09. | :10:10. | |
to the England squad for the second test against Pakistan, | :10:11. | :10:13. | |
Anderson missed the opening test defeat at Lord's | :10:14. | :10:16. | |
because he was injured, but is expected to return at Old Trafford - | :10:17. | :10:19. | |
The Lancashire bowler's recall comes after he was knocked off the top | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
of the test bowling rankings by Yasir Shah - what a game | :10:24. | :10:26. | |
he had in the first match, taking ten wickets. | :10:27. | :10:31. | |
Fresh from his Wimbledon heroics just nine days ago, | :10:32. | :10:33. | |
Andy Murray has decided not to defend his Rogers Cup title | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
Murray has not played since beating Milos Raonic to clinch the title | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
for the second time, and watched as Great Britain | :10:42. | :10:43. | |
won their Davis Cup tie against Serbia in | :10:44. | :10:45. | |
Murray will train in Majorca before defending his Olympic | :10:46. | :10:53. | |
Now, despite failing to make a single appearance at Euro 2016, | :10:54. | :11:01. | |
Northern Ireland striker Will Grigg has earned his place among the best | :11:02. | :11:04. | |
He's even received as many votes as France midfielder | :11:05. | :11:12. | |
Not taking anything away from his footballing ability but it may have | :11:13. | :11:25. | |
had more to do with a song sung by fans throughout the tournament. | :11:26. | :11:26. | |
The Will Grigg's On Fire song was sung by all fans, | :11:27. | :11:29. | |
Will Greg Others on fire. Sonny your defence is terrified Sonny will | :11:30. | :11:44. | |
Greg's on fire. No thank you. I've heard enough of | :11:45. | :11:52. | |
it. It was one of the most | :11:53. | :12:00. | |
audacious drugs smuggling ?53 million worth of cocaine | :12:01. | :12:02. | |
was dropped off the side of a giant container ship | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
in the English Channel and apparently picked up on a stormy | :12:07. | :12:09. | |
night by a group of fishermen They were convicted and given stiff | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
sentences, up to 24 years Now a new legal charity that | :12:14. | :12:22. | |
specialises in miscarriage of justice cases thinks it's | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
uncovered new evidence that proves the men could not have | :12:26. | :12:28. | |
committed the crime. Our reporter Jim Reed has been | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
following their story. Now here's the shipping forecast | :12:33. | :12:46. | |
issued by the Met Office at 0015 today, Saturday, the 29th of May. 24 | :12:47. | :12:56. | |
years in prison? What? ! What do we do now? The area forecasts for the | :12:57. | :13:02. | |
next 24 hours... Humber, Thames, Dover... 24 years as a lifetime. How | :13:03. | :13:08. | |
do you expect Jamie's children to get their head around a centre | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
fightback? The sentence their father was given was longer than the lives | :13:13. | :13:18. | |
that they'd lived. A group of fishermen from the Isle of Wight, | :13:19. | :13:24. | |
all now serving long sentences for one of the largest, most audacious | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
drug plots in British history. The case against them, a quarter of a | :13:29. | :13:35. | |
tonne of cocaine was hit in an acute container ship once way to Holland. | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
The drugs were dumped in the English Channel for the men to pick up in | :13:40. | :13:42. | |
their fishing boats in the middle of the night. They sailed back to these | :13:43. | :13:48. | |
cliffs and tied the sacks to a boy to collect later or for someone else | :13:49. | :13:55. | |
to pick up. Hello. Hello, darling. You all right? Yes, good, good, | :13:56. | :13:59. | |
good, we're OK. The men involved have left behind wives and | :14:00. | :14:05. | |
girlfriends, sons and daughters. Speak to you in a bit. Love you. | :14:06. | :14:12. | |
Hello. Jonathan, convicted of organising the plot, is serving 24 | :14:13. | :14:15. | |
years in a high security prison. They literally came to the door in | :14:16. | :14:20. | |
the morning, asked me and the children to stay here said, "We need | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
to speak to your husband," took him into the front room and asked a | :14:25. | :14:27. | |
range of questions and they said we needed my husband to answer | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
questions in connection with a serious crime. "Yeah, OK, whatever, | :14:33. | :14:39. | |
this is mad. Are we awake? " When you found out what he was being | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
accused of an charged with, what was your reaction? Oh, it's ridiculous. | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
What? ! It's just a stupid mistake and he'll be home, which they told | :14:50. | :14:57. | |
Flynn. "Don't cry, be brave, that will be home tonight". They even | :14:58. | :15:01. | |
told John went he emptied his pockets to keep ?40 in its pocket so | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
he could get home that might. But he didn't come home? Didn't come home, | :15:06. | :15:11. | |
hasn't been home since January 2011. The facts of this case are murky to | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
say the least. Stories have changed, evidence has been damaged. The five | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
men have always said they were innocent. That new defence team is | :15:20. | :15:25. | |
now planning a fresh appeal. We've spent six months looking in detail | :15:26. | :15:29. | |
at the evidence, obtaining exclusive footage, never shown in public | :15:30. | :15:30. | |
before. A Bank Holiday weekend six years | :15:31. | :15:42. | |
ago, in mid-afternoon a fishing boat, the Galwad, left on what the | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
crew claim was a routine trip. When he went out on the 29th, it was | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
rough weather. Jamie always fished mid-channel. A lot of the smaller in | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
shore boats couldn't get out that deep so obviously it was a good area | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
because it wasn't over fished. Nikki Green is the sister of Jamie Green. | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
45 years old with three children and no serious criminal record, he was | :16:06. | :16:08. | |
the man in charge, the skipper of the boat. Why would he go out in | :16:09. | :16:14. | |
conditions like that? Jamie, the weather was forecast to blow until | :16:15. | :16:19. | |
about midnight, midnight 1am in the morning and then it would have | :16:20. | :16:23. | |
dropped off. That time would have been his travelling time to where he | :16:24. | :16:27. | |
would work. So the fact that it was particularly bad weather at that | :16:28. | :16:30. | |
point wouldn't have bothered him too much because he would have been out | :16:31. | :16:34. | |
on-the-spot when the weather improved and been able to get | :16:35. | :16:37. | |
straight to work. So it wasn't unusual then for him to go out in | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
those conditions? No. No. No. Not at all. That night, a major drug search | :16:42. | :16:49. | |
was taking place in the channel. The full details of Operation Disorient | :16:50. | :16:56. | |
have never been made public, but it involves surveillance planes, a | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
patrol ship and police look-outs along the coast. Intelligence came | :17:01. | :17:05. | |
in that cocaine was being smuggled on huge container ships from South | :17:06. | :17:09. | |
America. It appears this vessel, was one of a number being watched that | :17:10. | :17:15. | |
night. At some point, both cargo ship and fishing boats came close | :17:16. | :17:19. | |
together. The Galwad continued, sailing past fresh water bay. The | :17:20. | :17:26. | |
next day, a member of the public spotted 11 water proof sacks tangled | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
around a buoy in the same bay. Each packed with a pure form of cocaine. | :17:31. | :17:42. | |
Today, the Galwad is rusting away in a boat yard in Cowes, the police | :17:43. | :17:45. | |
said the drugs were picked up by this fishing boat and dropped off in | :17:46. | :17:49. | |
the bay to be collected later. What we're looking for on board today is | :17:50. | :17:52. | |
just anything that might have been missed when the police searched the | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
vessel... For years the lawyer Emily Bolton had been living in the US | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
working with inmates on Death Row. I'm looking at documents and I'm | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
taking photographs of what remains of the electrical equipment on | :18:06. | :18:09. | |
board. Now she set up the first charity of its kind in Britain | :18:10. | :18:13. | |
specialising in miscarriage of justice investigations. I think the | :18:14. | :18:16. | |
police really thought the drugs were down that hole there. What is what? | :18:17. | :18:20. | |
That's the tank. If you would like to peer over the edge, you will see | :18:21. | :18:25. | |
that that is full of water. It is used to keep lobsters alive before | :18:26. | :18:31. | |
they make their way to your plate of the Fire Brigade came into Yarmouth | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
Harbour and stuck pumps down there and someone was brave enough to | :18:37. | :18:39. | |
climb down the ladder and start looking for signs of drugs being | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
stored down there and they found absolutely nothing. Presumably if | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
the drugs were stored in watertight bags, which in this case they were, | :18:49. | :18:51. | |
it is not surprising they found no trace of the actual cocaine itself? | :18:52. | :18:57. | |
You say that the drugs were packed in watertight bags. Actually they | :18:58. | :19:01. | |
weren't because several of the bags when they opened them, they then | :19:02. | :19:04. | |
ripped open the plastic containers and got into the cocaine, the | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
cocaine was damp. You could expect on any vessel that this had carried | :19:09. | :19:14. | |
the bags some leakage, some weak cocaine soup and that's why they | :19:15. | :19:19. | |
went over the boat with a fine tooth comb, in this case an itemiser, a | :19:20. | :19:23. | |
device that detects traces of drugs. It is not that they were just | :19:24. | :19:26. | |
looking for a big pile of cocaine, they were looking for a trace and so | :19:27. | :19:31. | |
they used the itemiser to see if they could find that cocaine soup | :19:32. | :19:34. | |
and they didn't find any. At the time the Galwad was in the channel a | :19:35. | :19:38. | |
series of calls were made to the satellite phone on the boat. The | :19:39. | :19:42. | |
prosecution said these were evidence that someone on shore was | :19:43. | :19:46. | |
co-ordinating the drugs drop. The defence said the timing was a | :19:47. | :19:49. | |
coincidence and someone was checking on the health of one of the | :19:50. | :19:52. | |
fishermen, a migrant from Eastern Europe. 38-year-old Daniel Payne was | :19:53. | :19:59. | |
one of the men on board the fishing boat that night. Is serving 18 years | :20:00. | :20:08. | |
in Surrey. It is not in his nature to do that sort of thing. He has no | :20:09. | :20:12. | |
need to do that sort of thing. He was happy with his partner. He was | :20:13. | :20:15. | |
happy doing his fishing. He had a job. In the building industry and so | :20:16. | :20:22. | |
on. And when that sort of tailed off a bit, he went on odd jobs with the | :20:23. | :20:26. | |
skipper of the boat and that's what it was. It was just a one off | :20:27. | :20:32. | |
fishing trip. Just to get some money. And when you think the last | :20:33. | :20:38. | |
time his position coming back through there would have been that | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
night, I guess? Yeah. The last time he came in, yeah. Daniel's family | :20:44. | :20:51. | |
say he was visited by officers from the Serious Organised Crime Agency, | :20:52. | :20:54. | |
and offered a deal to stay out of prison. Two officers came into the | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
remand prison where he was and basically offered him immunity if he | :21:00. | :21:05. | |
implicated the skipper of the boat in this case if you like. Of course, | :21:06. | :21:09. | |
Daniel couldn't do that because there was nothing to implicate him | :21:10. | :21:12. | |
with. He couldn't take up the offer. No, he couldn't take up the offer | :21:13. | :21:19. | |
because there was nothing to give. Emily Bolton meanwhile has been | :21:20. | :21:22. | |
trying to unpick the case against the men. At her charity's office in | :21:23. | :21:28. | |
London, she has new evidence which, she says, is their best hope of | :21:29. | :21:32. | |
getting an appeal. Well, this chart would have been really important to | :21:33. | :21:35. | |
the jury in reaching a conviction because what it purports to show | :21:36. | :21:39. | |
here is the fishing vessel coming across the track of the container | :21:40. | :21:42. | |
vessel as it moved up the English Channel and that, the police | :21:43. | :21:45. | |
insisted, showed that it was possible for drugs to have been | :21:46. | :21:48. | |
transferred from the container vessel on to the fishing vessel. | :21:49. | :21:53. | |
The case against the fishing boat was based in large part on this | :21:54. | :22:00. | |
navigational data. The container ship, was travelling from Brazil to | :22:01. | :22:04. | |
the Netherlands and she arrived in the English Channel, the fishing | :22:05. | :22:09. | |
boat was just setting off from its home Port of Yarmouth. It made its | :22:10. | :22:12. | |
way around the Needles heading south. We've plotted the exact | :22:13. | :22:18. | |
course of both ships using navigational data from their on | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
board computers. By midnight, the fishing boat was in deep water in | :22:24. | :22:26. | |
the middle of the channel. At the same time, the container ship, was | :22:27. | :22:31. | |
moving at 19 knots towards the European mainland. Then the key | :22:32. | :22:40. | |
moment in the prosecution's case, the container ships moves east and | :22:41. | :22:51. | |
the Galwad across her wake. They took photographs of the... | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
Emily has commissioned an expert review. She says it shows the | :22:56. | :23:00. | |
prosecution got it wrong, leaving out key plot points and using | :23:01. | :23:04. | |
damaged data. The prosecution just drew a line between two points and | :23:05. | :23:08. | |
asserted that's where the container ship was, what we've got now is the | :23:09. | :23:13. | |
GPS digital data from the fishing vessel and the underlying digital | :23:14. | :23:18. | |
data for the container ship and we've had an expert look at those | :23:19. | :23:21. | |
and draw a far more precise map of what actually happened that night. | :23:22. | :23:25. | |
If true, it would mean the paths of the boats were never closer than 100 | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
meters from each other. The container ship was actually heading | :23:31. | :23:34. | |
further south than was presented to the jury at trial. That blows the | :23:35. | :23:38. | |
prosecution case right out of the water. 100 meters isn't that far. | :23:39. | :23:43. | |
Would it not have been possible for the drugs to be thrown off the side | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
and then float towards, float 100 meters towards the fishing boat? | :23:49. | :23:53. | |
That's the question we had and we took that question to Plymouth | :23:54. | :24:01. | |
Marine Lab and they worked out any objects jet zaned into the sea. As | :24:02. | :24:07. | |
for the cargo boat, it sailed on to the Netherlands, a few days later, | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
it did dock in the UK and was searched. No trace of drugs was | :24:12. | :24:18. | |
found as no one on the Orian was ever arrested. The fishing boat | :24:19. | :24:29. | |
meanwhile took 18 hours to sail back to the Isle of Wight, it was never | :24:30. | :24:34. | |
stopped or boarded. It scired around the south of the island fishing near | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
fresh water bay. The area along the coast where it came back into would | :24:41. | :24:43. | |
have been off his normal route. Not unusual. As I understand it, I think | :24:44. | :24:47. | |
they decided to do some mackerel fishing on the way in. By the time | :24:48. | :24:51. | |
the Galwad returned to its home port, it was being watched. This | :24:52. | :24:55. | |
surveillance footage shows it sailing into the harbour and this, | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
taken by officers on the ground, shows the men coming ashore. The | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
skipper, Jamie Green drives off in the white van. The men went their | :25:04. | :25:07. | |
separate ways, but returned to Yarmouth that evening. It was at | :25:08. | :25:13. | |
this point, three were arrested, all for conspiracy to import cocaine. I | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
was working in the restaurant here where we are now. Somebody told me | :25:19. | :25:23. | |
there was a kerfuffle on the quay involving Jamie and then somebody | :25:24. | :25:25. | |
came in and told me that he been arrested and taken to the mainland | :25:26. | :25:30. | |
later that evening. What was your reaction? A mistake. You know, the | :25:31. | :25:38. | |
police would realise they made a mistake and everything would be OK. | :25:39. | :25:44. | |
The next morning a member of the public spotted 11 sports bags | :25:45. | :25:48. | |
tangled round a buoy in fresh water bay. He called the police. This is | :25:49. | :25:57. | |
number two. Written on the bottom on the bag is Montana Wind. Each sack | :25:58. | :26:03. | |
was packed with high purity cocaine. It is here we get to a key piece of | :26:04. | :26:08. | |
evidence against the five men. Crucial to the convictions. It is | :26:09. | :26:11. | |
the only piece of direct evidence against the men, but the problem | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
with it is it keeps changing. As the fishing boat, the Galwad, was | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
sailing back along the bay, two Hampshire Police officers were | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
stationed on the cliffs keeping look-out as part of Operation | :26:25. | :26:28. | |
Disorient. In the original police log, they recorded someone through | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
six or seven items over board at intervals from the boat. The | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
fishermen say they may have chucked away bags full of old bait around | :26:38. | :26:41. | |
this time. The next day after the drugs were found, those look-outs | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
changed the official log as they are allowed to do. In the new version, | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
there were ten to 12 items, the size of a hold-all tied together in a | :26:51. | :26:53. | |
leub followed by a red floating buoy. But isn't it the case that if | :26:54. | :26:58. | |
you're witnessing something like this, people might not get the | :26:59. | :27:01. | |
details right every single time? Well, these are officers who are | :27:02. | :27:05. | |
trained goat the details right every single time and we are not talking | :27:06. | :27:09. | |
about small details, we are talking about big changes, about the | :27:10. | :27:11. | |
descriptions of what they saw and also where they saw it from. If you | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
look at the surveillance footage, the aerial surveillance where they | :27:17. | :27:20. | |
had a plane up here looking down on the drugs, the first thing you will | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
see is there a long, windy, white rope floating on the surface of the | :27:26. | :27:29. | |
sea here and the sea is a dark grey colour and that rope really stands | :27:30. | :27:34. | |
out. If these two Hampshire officers were up here on the cliff looking | :27:35. | :27:37. | |
out, the first thing they would have described was the rope and they | :27:38. | :27:42. | |
don't mention it. So what possible reason, if any, could the look-outs | :27:43. | :27:47. | |
have to change what they saw? The new defence team can only speculate. | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
One claim, the men were in custody at that point and more time was | :27:53. | :27:56. | |
needed to question them. They needed something to hold them while they | :27:57. | :27:59. | |
continued their investigation because up until that point they | :28:00. | :28:03. | |
found no evidence. They continued to find no evidence and that left them | :28:04. | :28:08. | |
in a pickle, but I think that the reason they embellished that | :28:09. | :28:11. | |
evidence was to extend the custody time limits and continue their | :28:12. | :28:15. | |
investigation. The two police look-outs later gave different | :28:16. | :28:18. | |
details of what happened that day. But both were adamant they had seen | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
ten to 12 sax thrown off the fishing boat along with a buoy. They said | :28:23. | :28:28. | |
after they called in the first log entry they had seen extra bags | :28:29. | :28:32. | |
thrown off the boat so the second version was the full picture. The | :28:33. | :28:36. | |
independent Police Watchdog looked into the case and though it found | :28:37. | :28:41. | |
inconsistencies in their evidence, there was not enough to show they | :28:42. | :28:46. | |
fabricated the account. Hampshire Police say they have no on going | :28:47. | :28:50. | |
complaints related to this investigation. At trial, the five | :28:51. | :28:57. | |
men were convicted by majority verdict and sentenced to a total of | :28:58. | :29:04. | |
104 years in prison. The Serious Organised Crime Agency said the | :29:05. | :29:06. | |
operation had stopped a huge amount of cocaine from reaching the streets | :29:07. | :29:12. | |
of the UK. For some people, are just going to think it is too much of a | :29:13. | :29:17. | |
coinsquence that this fishing boat was in the wrong place at the wrong | :29:18. | :29:23. | |
time, twice over. Your question assumes two things, one of which is | :29:24. | :29:26. | |
there were drugs on the Orian, that's never been proven. It appears | :29:27. | :29:31. | |
to us that Operation Disorient really needed to get a result and | :29:32. | :29:34. | |
they started focussing on the fishing boat and from then on | :29:35. | :29:37. | |
interpreted all the evidence that came before them as pointing to | :29:38. | :29:42. | |
guilt. And meanwhile they ignored or didn't even seek other evidence that | :29:43. | :29:47. | |
points in the opposite direction. The new evidence shown in the film | :29:48. | :29:52. | |
has been passed to the Criminal Cases Review Commission who will now | :29:53. | :29:56. | |
decide if the five men can launch a fresh appeal. The National Crime | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
Agency says it can not comment while that investigation is ongoing. | :30:01. | :30:05. | |
And if you want to share that film you can find it on our programme | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
After 10.30am, we'll speak to the daughter of one | :30:10. | :30:12. | |
of the men convicted in that drug smuggling plot. | :30:13. | :30:22. | |
Still to come... This man has to give police 24 hours' notice before | :30:23. | :30:28. | |
having sex with a new partner because he is subject to a sexual | :30:29. | :30:33. | |
risk order. We'll bring you an exclusive interview with John | :30:34. | :30:37. | |
O'Neill in the next few minutes. And should this woman have | :30:38. | :30:41. | |
co-presented Channel 4 News during coverage of the niece Laurie attack? | :30:42. | :30:49. | |
-- the niece Laurie attack. Son columnist Kelvin MacKenzie says she | :30:50. | :30:56. | |
shouldn't have. Here is Annita McVeigh in the BBC | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :31:00. | :31:04. | |
MPs voted overwhelmingly overnight to approve a renewal of the nuclear | :31:05. | :31:10. | |
weapons system. More than half of Labour MPs voted for the deterrent | :31:11. | :31:13. | |
and against their leader, Jeremy Corbyn. | :31:14. | :31:22. | |
A hand-painted flag of the terror group so-called | :31:23. | :31:23. | |
at the home of a 17-year-old Afghan refugee who attacked several | :31:24. | :31:27. | |
people with an axe and a knife on a train in Germany. | :31:28. | :31:30. | |
The teenager was shot dead by police during the attack near the southern | :31:31. | :31:33. | |
Two of those injured are in a critical condition. | :31:34. | :31:36. | |
The teenager, who had claimed asylum after travelling to Germany | :31:37. | :31:39. | |
as an unaccompanied minor, had been living with a foster family. | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
Theresa May is holding her first cabinet meeting as Prime Minister | :31:44. | :31:48. | |
this morning. The members of her new team began arriving at ten Downing | :31:49. | :31:52. | |
St about half an hour ago. Misses me is expected to set out her | :31:53. | :31:55. | |
priorities, including leaving the EU, during the meeting, head of | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
visits to Germany and France later in the week. -- Mrs May. | :32:00. | :32:04. | |
It's been a raucous start to the Republican convention that | :32:05. | :32:07. | |
will confirm Donald Trump as the party's | :32:08. | :32:08. | |
There were rowdy scenes when a group of delegates were refused permission | :32:09. | :32:12. | |
to register their opposition to Mr Trump. | :32:13. | :32:14. | |
Later Mr Trump introduced his wife, Melania, and through the night | :32:15. | :32:16. | |
a series of his supporters, including former Mayor | :32:17. | :32:18. | |
of New York Rudy Guiliani, who made tub-thumping speeches | :32:19. | :32:21. | |
The Russian Olympic committee has declared this morning that | :32:22. | :32:26. | |
it stands against doping - but that the fate of honest | :32:27. | :32:28. | |
athletes shouldn't depend on unproven accusations. | :32:29. | :32:30. | |
It comes as the International Olympic Committee prepares to decide | :32:31. | :32:32. | |
whether or not to ban all Russian athletes from the Games in Rio. | :32:33. | :32:36. | |
Russia is accused of operating a state-sponsored doping programme | :32:37. | :32:39. | |
for four years across the "vast majority" of summer | :32:40. | :32:42. | |
The country's track-and-field team is already banned | :32:43. | :32:47. | |
Los Angeles police are investigating after a Playboy model publicly | :32:48. | :32:57. | |
shared a photograph of another woman naked in a gym changing room. | :32:58. | :33:00. | |
Captioned "if I can't unsee this then you can't either", Dani Mathers | :33:01. | :33:03. | |
posted the image beside one of herself covering her | :33:04. | :33:06. | |
She later apologised, saying she thought the Snapchat post | :33:07. | :33:10. | |
It's illegal in California to share a person's naked image | :33:11. | :33:15. | |
She's also come in for a major social media backlash. | :33:16. | :33:21. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at ten. | :33:22. | :33:25. | |
Jessica has the sport headlines now. | :33:26. | :33:28. | |
The BBC's had it confirmed in the last half an hour that Hull | :33:29. | :33:31. | |
boss Steve Bruce had an interview for the vacant England | :33:32. | :33:34. | |
Sunderland boss Sam Allardyce also held talks last week. | :33:35. | :33:47. | |
Peter Sadam won yesterday's Tour de France stage in the Swiss capital, | :33:48. | :33:54. | |
but Chris Froome crossed the line in 13th to minting his grip on the | :33:55. | :33:57. | |
yellow jersey. He has a lead of nearly two minutes. | :33:58. | :34:03. | |
James Anderson, Ben Stokes and Adil Rashid have all been added | :34:04. | :34:05. | |
to the England squad for the second test against Pakistan, | :34:06. | :34:08. | |
Anderson missed the opening test defeat at Lord's | :34:09. | :34:11. | |
because he was injured, but is expected to return at Old Trafford - | :34:12. | :34:14. | |
Andy Murray has decided not to defend his Rogers Cup title | :34:15. | :34:17. | |
The world number two has not played since beating Milos Raonic | :34:18. | :34:21. | |
for the second time, and watched as Great Britain | :34:22. | :34:25. | |
won their Davis Cup tie against Serbia in | :34:26. | :34:26. | |
Murray will train in Majorca before defending his Olympic | :34:27. | :34:30. | |
More sport at ten o'clock. Thank you very much. Norman is in | :34:31. | :34:36. | |
Downing Street, where Theresa May is holding her first Cabinet meeting of | :34:37. | :34:43. | |
senior government ministers. They have all be on their best | :34:44. | :34:46. | |
behaviour this morning. They all arrived well ahead of 9:30am, they | :34:47. | :34:51. | |
all trooped in, didn't really say anything. Even Boris Johnson didn't | :34:52. | :34:54. | |
pose too much on the doorstep, so they all piled on and I guess they | :34:55. | :34:57. | |
now have to scramble to see where they are around that big table, | :34:58. | :35:01. | |
because that will tell them what the pecking order is, where they are in | :35:02. | :35:06. | |
the new May government, how close they are to Mrs Mayall whether | :35:07. | :35:09. | |
they've been booted down to the end of the table. As for business, we | :35:10. | :35:16. | |
are told Mrs May wants to say to her ministers, we can't allow this | :35:17. | :35:19. | |
government to be totally defined by the issue of Brexit. She wants | :35:20. | :35:23. | |
social justice, she says, to be a part of the government agenda. | :35:24. | :35:28. | |
Remember when she was on the steps of Downing Street after becoming | :35:29. | :35:30. | |
Prime Minister, she talked a lot about how it was going to be a | :35:31. | :35:34. | |
government for working people, not the privileged few, so that will be | :35:35. | :35:37. | |
her message this morning. But there's no getting away from it, | :35:38. | :35:43. | |
Brexit is the big deal. I don't know if you can cast your eyes down | :35:44. | :35:46. | |
towards the end of Downing Street. There is a big building, which is | :35:47. | :35:51. | |
number nine Downing St. That is going to be the new Brexit | :35:52. | :35:55. | |
department, so that is where David Davis, the new Brexit minister is | :35:56. | :35:59. | |
going to be based and that's where civil servants are going to be and | :36:00. | :36:01. | |
that's where all the hard graft is going to have to be done about | :36:02. | :36:06. | |
getting us out of the EU. There had been a view that he would be bobbed | :36:07. | :36:10. | |
off to the old department for energy and climate change down the road | :36:11. | :36:16. | |
along Whitehall. The fact that he's in Downing Street suggests to me | :36:17. | :36:19. | |
that Brexit is absolutely going to be at the heart of this government | :36:20. | :36:22. | |
but is it also an indication that Mrs May wants to keep tabs on what | :36:23. | :36:28. | |
is going on, so the David Davis is within easy hailing distance? One | :36:29. | :36:33. | |
other thing to support that theory, she's appointed one of her key | :36:34. | :36:39. | |
allies, Alan Duncan, a experienced Conservative MP, as Boris Johnson's | :36:40. | :36:43. | |
number two in the Foreign Office, basically as the minister for Boris, | :36:44. | :36:47. | |
to keep an eye on him, to make sure he behaves. So you get the sense | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
that Mrs May is just trying to make sure she's got an absolute grip on | :36:52. | :36:55. | |
everything and in particular on Brexit. And I wonder, Norman, how | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
seriously you think Theresa May as Prime Minister is going to take the | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
input of the Cabinet. Tony Blair became famous for his discussions | :37:04. | :37:08. | |
with his closest aides on the sofa, David Cameron had his trusted former | :37:09. | :37:12. | |
school pals and Notting Hill colleagues, didn't he? I think it is | :37:13. | :37:15. | |
going to be read different because as we know, she's pretty much | :37:16. | :37:21. | |
disbanded the old Cameroon Notting Hill set. They've been cast to the | :37:22. | :37:24. | |
winds. Oliver Letwin, one of those key figures, today announced he | :37:25. | :37:28. | |
wouldn't be standing at the next election. You think they've gone | :37:29. | :37:31. | |
back to their cafes and Notting Hill and think it is game over because | :37:32. | :37:33. | |
Theresa May seems to be planning a very different style of government. | :37:34. | :37:38. | |
In terms of listening and involving other departments, I suspect the | :37:39. | :37:41. | |
concern of other departments might be not so much whether she is in | :37:42. | :37:45. | |
listening mode but that she might be fingers in Piedt mode because she's | :37:46. | :37:49. | |
one of those politicians who likes to get involved in the nitty-gritty, | :37:50. | :37:58. | |
to have a complete grasp of what's going on, so I suspect there may be | :37:59. | :38:01. | |
some nervousness that Mrs May as Prime Minister might be quite | :38:02. | :38:03. | |
interventionist in what other departments are doing and, above | :38:04. | :38:05. | |
all, what is going on in those Brexit departments. Thank you very | :38:06. | :38:06. | |
much, Norman. This morning, an exclusive interview | :38:07. | :38:15. | |
with a man who has to give police 24 hours' notice before | :38:16. | :38:18. | |
having sex with a woman 45-year-old John O'Neill has been | :38:19. | :38:20. | |
placed on a sexual risk order after being found | :38:21. | :38:24. | |
not guilty of rape. After being cleared, | :38:25. | :38:25. | |
the judge took the unusual step of describing him | :38:26. | :38:27. | |
as "a very dangerous individual". During his trial a fascination | :38:28. | :38:29. | |
with sado-masochism was raised, It prompted North Yorkshire Police | :38:30. | :38:32. | |
to apply for the order, which means he has to tell police the name, | :38:33. | :38:37. | |
address and date of birth of any woman he wants to have any form | :38:38. | :38:41. | |
of sexual activity with - including kissing - | :38:42. | :38:43. | |
24 hours in advance. Mr O'Neill, an IT consultant, | :38:44. | :38:48. | |
describes it as a "living hell". He's due back in court next month | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
to learn if the restriction on his sex life will be dropped | :38:54. | :38:55. | |
or made into a full order He's been speaking exclusively | :38:56. | :38:59. | |
to us this morning. First of all, thank you very much | :39:00. | :39:20. | |
for talking to us. We really appreciate your time. Why have you | :39:21. | :39:24. | |
had this sexual risk order served upon you? This is the mystery that | :39:25. | :39:30. | |
me and my lawyers have been trying to figure out. We were amazed that | :39:31. | :39:40. | |
the police maybe application after a unanimous acquittal of the only | :39:41. | :39:45. | |
crime I've ever been accused of. We think it is sour grapes. They lost | :39:46. | :39:49. | |
in court. They didn't just lose, they were humiliated in court for | :39:50. | :39:57. | |
having utterly failed to do any detective work. But it must have | :39:58. | :40:00. | |
been explained to you when it was served upon you why. What did they | :40:01. | :40:08. | |
tell you? The reasons are... To get an SRO, you need an act of a sexual | :40:09. | :40:15. | |
nature which necessitates the risk order. The act on which they rely | :40:16. | :40:22. | |
are scratching and biting during sex. Consensual sex? Yes. If that | :40:23. | :40:29. | |
necessitates a sexual risk order, they're going to have to be writing | :40:30. | :40:34. | |
an awful lot of sexual risk orders. I would suspect the majority of the | :40:35. | :40:37. | |
population is going to be subject to a sexual risk order. The real reason | :40:38. | :40:44. | |
is, they lost the trial and they're misusing this new set of laws to | :40:45. | :40:50. | |
effectively put me on a retrial for rape after an acquittal, because it | :40:51. | :40:57. | |
is the same evidence, it is the same witnesses, it is just a retrial in | :40:58. | :41:01. | |
miniature. Have you had sex with anyone since this order was imposed | :41:02. | :41:06. | |
upon you? No. If you break the order, breach the order, by having | :41:07. | :41:10. | |
sex with someone without telling the police first, what could happen to | :41:11. | :41:15. | |
you? If I breach any part of the order, not just the 24 hour notice | :41:16. | :41:21. | |
part, I will potentially go to prison for five years and, | :41:22. | :41:26. | |
regardless of what the breaches, I am actually accused of a breach, but | :41:27. | :41:32. | |
regardless of what the breach is, I become a convicted sex offender, | :41:33. | :41:36. | |
even if the breach wasn't a sexual act. So, for instance, the breach | :41:37. | :41:40. | |
I'm accused of is refusing to hand over my PIN number to my iPhone. | :41:41. | :41:50. | |
That act will get me five years in jail and makes me a convicted sex | :41:51. | :41:54. | |
offender. It's obscene, it's ridiculous. First of all, SROs can't | :41:55. | :42:01. | |
have obligations. By prohibitive orders. I've been obliged unlawfully | :42:02. | :42:06. | |
by this order to provide information to the police. I sought legal advice | :42:07. | :42:14. | |
with my lawyers, who checked with other lawyers, we made absolutely | :42:15. | :42:17. | |
sure this wouldn't be a breach and after I got back advice, I'm | :42:18. | :42:22. | |
accused. I was thrown in jail, charged and on the 19th of August, I | :42:23. | :42:28. | |
will have a trial and if I lose, for that act, I become a convicted sex | :42:29. | :42:34. | |
offender. It is utterly ridiculous. If you were to disclose to the | :42:35. | :42:37. | |
police that you were going to have sex with someone 24 hours later, | :42:38. | :42:40. | |
what information would you have to give them? I have to give name, | :42:41. | :42:48. | |
address and date of birth. Of? Of any woman that I intend to have any | :42:49. | :42:52. | |
sexual contact with. It is broader than just having sex. What does it | :42:53. | :42:58. | |
include? It's ridiculous. Sexual conversation would be included. | :42:59. | :43:03. | |
Kissing is included. It is so sweeping, it's ridiculous. It is so | :43:04. | :43:09. | |
badly worded. I could breach this order by accident. How? If I have a | :43:10. | :43:15. | |
sexual conversation, the police could come along and say, "Right, | :43:16. | :43:21. | |
that's sexual contact". And with the PIN number, me and my lawyers had | :43:22. | :43:27. | |
100% consensus that this wasn't a breach. I was arrested anyway. You | :43:28. | :43:31. | |
can get arrested by accident with these orders. Except part of the | :43:32. | :43:36. | |
restrictions are on mobile phone use and internet use. And that's the | :43:37. | :43:45. | |
most damaging part of this. You have reported the 24 hour at sex | :43:46. | :43:48. | |
noticed... That headline grabbing part I understand that is what the | :43:49. | :43:51. | |
bill want to read about but that's not the most damaging part from my | :43:52. | :43:54. | |
point of view. The most damaging part is the making available on | :43:55. | :44:03. | |
request clause any communications device that I use. Effectively that | :44:04. | :44:07. | |
means, if I don't own the device and carry it with me 24 hours a day, I | :44:08. | :44:12. | |
can't use it. You can see how you would breach the order by not giving | :44:13. | :44:15. | |
the police your mobile phone PIN number because they need to be able | :44:16. | :44:19. | |
to access it. At SROs are only supposed to be prohibitive, they are | :44:20. | :44:24. | |
not allowed to require me to do anything. But if there are | :44:25. | :44:27. | |
conditions attached, you know what the conditions are and it's up to | :44:28. | :44:30. | |
you whether to breach them not. That's one of the conditions, mobile | :44:31. | :44:34. | |
phone restrictions. They didn't actually say that at the time of the | :44:35. | :44:37. | |
breach, the wedding was changed thereafter. At the time of the | :44:38. | :44:41. | |
alleged breach, it didn't say I had to provide that. It does now but as | :44:42. | :44:47. | |
I say, it is an obligation, which is unlawful. You are not supposed to be | :44:48. | :44:51. | |
able to do this with an SRO. If you were to provide the police with a | :44:52. | :44:54. | |
woman's name, address and date of birth, what would they do with that | :44:55. | :44:59. | |
information? In theory, there is a disclosure document and what they do | :45:00. | :45:05. | |
is, they will go around and say," this person is subject to something | :45:06. | :45:09. | |
called a sexual risk order, he is considered to be potentially | :45:10. | :45:14. | |
dangerous," and then they ask that want to sign a form and leave and | :45:15. | :45:18. | |
that's it. So can you imagine the horror of that? You've just met | :45:19. | :45:23. | |
someone and you are at the point where you are deciding whether to | :45:24. | :45:26. | |
date and then that happens. Convicted criminals don't get these | :45:27. | :45:29. | |
types of orders. It's obscene. The reason that the police may tell | :45:30. | :45:38. | |
a potential partner of yours that you are dangerous because the judge | :45:39. | :45:43. | |
at the end of your second trial when you were acquitted said although | :45:44. | :45:48. | |
this has has been acquitted, it is my judgment that he is a very | :45:49. | :45:51. | |
dangerous man? Two things, we don't know what he was referring to. It | :45:52. | :45:56. | |
was clear during the trial that he, like a lot of people, just didn't | :45:57. | :46:02. | |
understand S and M at all. Tell us about the nature of the | :46:03. | :46:07. | |
conversations you had with medical professionals, conversations which | :46:08. | :46:10. | |
emerged during your trial? Yeah, I told one of my GPs about a partner | :46:11. | :46:20. | |
that I had and she completely misunderstood. The medical | :46:21. | :46:26. | |
professional? Yes. In what way? She didn't contextualise any of the acts | :46:27. | :46:32. | |
as S and M or in anyway consensual and she missed out large portions of | :46:33. | :46:39. | |
what I'd said. So you had talked about consensual sexual activity and | :46:40. | :46:42. | |
talked about safe words? I made that crystal clear. Had you also talked | :46:43. | :46:48. | |
about rape fantasies? Yeah, exactly and I said this was role-play rape. | :46:49. | :46:55. | |
She just wrote down rape. She didn't say anything about role-play and | :46:56. | :46:58. | |
initially didn't say anything about safe words. Just explain to our | :46:59. | :47:02. | |
audience what safe words are about? If you don't know what a safe word | :47:03. | :47:07. | |
is, OK, if you're engaging in some kind of S and M activity you use a | :47:08. | :47:13. | |
safe word which is a neutral word to indicate that you want your partner | :47:14. | :47:18. | |
to stop. So green for instance would be a common safe word. And that | :47:19. | :47:22. | |
means stop because obviously if you are enacting a role-play rape, no | :47:23. | :47:26. | |
doesn't mean no. Stop doesn't mean stop. So you need this neutral word | :47:27. | :47:35. | |
or sometimes it is a snap fingers for instance if you're gagged or | :47:36. | :47:39. | |
hooded or something. So safe word isn't always a word. So those | :47:40. | :47:43. | |
conversations emerged during your trial and you believe that may have | :47:44. | :47:48. | |
led the judge in part to describe you as a dangerous man despite the | :47:49. | :47:52. | |
acquittal? I can only assume that. We don't know because the judge was | :47:53. | :47:56. | |
not specific at all about what he meant. We don't know what the judge | :47:57. | :48:02. | |
meant, but we do know because of the original trial that nobody that read | :48:03. | :48:06. | |
those medical notes thought it was S and M, not one person read that | :48:07. | :48:11. | |
document and thought there was anything consensual because there | :48:12. | :48:15. | |
was not a single shred of context in that document. It simply said, | :48:16. | :48:21. | |
"Rape." Are you a dangerous man? No. In no respect, no. I have been | :48:22. | :48:27. | |
accused of precisely one crime in my entire 45 years and I was | :48:28. | :48:32. | |
unanimously acquitted. Last Thursday, your identity was | :48:33. | :48:37. | |
revealed. What impact has that had upon you? Well, this has been | :48:38. | :48:44. | |
devastating for people around me. The first thing that happened was | :48:45. | :48:54. | |
my... My children won't speak to me now. They've deleted me from | :48:55. | :49:03. | |
Facebook. One of my friends has been threatened with being fired just | :49:04. | :49:09. | |
because she knows me. We've had journalists offering money to female | :49:10. | :49:14. | |
friends to say that I've done something to them and the worse the | :49:15. | :49:21. | |
claim they make, the more money they're offered. It's, on a personal | :49:22. | :49:29. | |
level, it is devastating, absolutely devastating. Have you tried to get | :49:30. | :49:35. | |
in touch with your children? I spoke to their mother and we think the | :49:36. | :49:41. | |
best thing to do is just let the shock die down for a while. Why do | :49:42. | :49:45. | |
you think they have deleted you on Facebook? How horrific must this be? | :49:46. | :49:49. | |
Seeing your father and his sexual orientations | :49:50. | :50:06. | |
spread across the internet, awful. Awful. You mentioned the further | :50:07. | :50:13. | |
hearing in August which will decide whether the sexual risk order will | :50:14. | :50:16. | |
be dropped or extended for a period of time. How do you try and get one | :50:17. | :50:20. | |
of these orders overturned? Well, the interim orders are very, very | :50:21. | :50:25. | |
easy to get. So the standard evidence... The standard order that | :50:26. | :50:30. | |
you're on? The standard of evidence is very low, you have a chat with a | :50:31. | :50:33. | |
magistrate and if there is any scary comments at all, they issue the | :50:34. | :50:37. | |
order. But you are supposed to have the full hearing within a few weeks | :50:38. | :50:41. | |
thereafter, that has not happened in my case. It will happen in August. | :50:42. | :50:46. | |
It will happen in August. How do you get that order removed? Effectively, | :50:47. | :50:50. | |
we are going to have the rape trial in miniature again. In a | :50:51. | :50:56. | |
Magistrates' Court again? In a Magistrates' Court, it is the same | :50:57. | :51:00. | |
witnesses, it is a repeat of the rape trial. So how will you try and | :51:01. | :51:06. | |
get it overturned? We're in a position now there is no presumed | :51:07. | :51:11. | |
innocence, I have to prove my innocence. It is that ridiculous. | :51:12. | :51:16. | |
After I have already been acquitted, I still effectively stand accused of | :51:17. | :51:21. | |
exactly the same thing, but in a Magistrates' Court which does not | :51:22. | :51:23. | |
afford you the same opportunity for a defence. It was half day. If that. | :51:24. | :51:29. | |
Whereas trial took five days to unpick. It is a very complicated | :51:30. | :51:34. | |
case. So what could you do, promise to be sell bait for the rest of your | :51:35. | :51:41. | |
life? Well, that presumes some kind of guilt. Why should I make that | :51:42. | :51:45. | |
promise, that presumes some manner of gill. The only time you have a | :51:46. | :51:50. | |
presumption of innocence if there is a jury. The system does not presume | :51:51. | :51:54. | |
innocence, the system presumes guilt. The system, the courts, they | :51:55. | :51:59. | |
all presume guilt, but the new laws are effectively allowing the lower | :52:00. | :52:03. | |
courts and the maj straights court to try very serious crimes by | :52:04. | :52:10. | |
pretending that it is not a retrial. These laws are dangerous, extremely | :52:11. | :52:13. | |
dangerous and they allow the police to ignore a verdict. Thank you very | :52:14. | :52:17. | |
much for talking to us. Thank you. Thank you for your time. You're | :52:18. | :52:19. | |
welcome. We will talk to an ex-lawyer and | :52:20. | :52:32. | |
Police and Crime Commissioner for Northumbria about sexual risk | :52:33. | :52:38. | |
orders. Grace says even if he can't tell people his fannies, women | :52:39. | :52:41. | |
interacting should be made aware. He will suffer more if he ends up in | :52:42. | :52:46. | |
prison because he loses control. This tweet, "If you are innocent | :52:47. | :52:53. | |
then a sexual risk order is an affront to civil liberties." Jeremy | :52:54. | :52:59. | |
says, "I'm gobsmacked by this 24-hour sex notice case. It is craze | :53:00. | :53:07. | |
crisis." Leo says SRO s are just one of the laws our so-called safe pair | :53:08. | :53:15. | |
of hands Prime Minister, oh bonkers, sexual risk orders are one of the | :53:16. | :53:19. | |
bonkers law our Prime Minister has brought in as the Home Secretary." | :53:20. | :53:22. | |
Ann says, "This sounds like the police state. Britain." A couple | :53:23. | :53:30. | |
more as well. Ian, "I could understand the restrictions if he | :53:31. | :53:34. | |
was a convicted sex offender, but he was found not guilty. It doesn't | :53:35. | :53:39. | |
make sense." Ann says, "If he was that dangerous, why wasn't he locked | :53:40. | :53:43. | |
up? The order doesn't seem to make sense." We will discuss that more in | :53:44. | :53:45. | |
the next hour of the programme. The International Olympic | :53:46. | :53:49. | |
Committee is meeting today to decide whether the entire | :53:50. | :53:51. | |
Russian team should be banned from the upcoming | :53:52. | :53:53. | |
Olympic Games next month. We'll talk to athletes who say | :53:54. | :53:55. | |
they should be banned Let's get the latest weather | :53:56. | :53:58. | |
update with Stav Danaos. Are we officially in a heatwave? The | :53:59. | :54:13. | |
official definition of a heatwave is four or five consecutive days of | :54:14. | :54:18. | |
heat and consecutive hot nights. No reprice from the heat which prompts | :54:19. | :54:22. | |
authorities to issue the heat warning. So we have got a brief | :54:23. | :54:27. | |
heatwave at the moment and today we are seeing the peak of the heat as | :54:28. | :54:30. | |
things will be cooling down afterwards. Lots of gorgeous Weather | :54:31. | :54:36. | |
Watcher pictures coming in of that beautiful blue sky. The reason for | :54:37. | :54:40. | |
it, the heat, source has been across Spain and France and this area of | :54:41. | :54:44. | |
high pressure has been pumping it northwards across the UK and it is | :54:45. | :54:48. | |
today like I mentioned we will see a pack of this short-lived heatwave. | :54:49. | :54:52. | |
Temperatures maybe the mid- maybe higher, 35 Celsius across parts of | :54:53. | :54:56. | |
the Midlands. So a very hot afternoon in store, seeing | :54:57. | :54:59. | |
temperatures around the mid-20 Celsius across the South East. | :55:00. | :55:03. | |
Through the afternoon, the high 20s, the low 30s, widely, we could see | :55:04. | :55:12. | |
34, 35 Celsius between London and in towards the Perthshire area. Maybe | :55:13. | :55:16. | |
30 Celsius across Scottish Borders and in the south. Hot and sunny for | :55:17. | :55:19. | |
Northern Ireland and the heat pumping north in towards Northern | :55:20. | :55:23. | |
Scotland. We could see 20 Celsius for Lerwick. A hot and sunny | :55:24. | :55:26. | |
afternoon and humid too. But that means one thing as we head on in | :55:27. | :55:30. | |
towards this evening and overnight, an area of low pressure means we | :55:31. | :55:34. | |
will see thunderstorms developing. Northern and West Wales and Northern | :55:35. | :55:39. | |
Ireland and severe ones, north-west England in towards Scotland by the | :55:40. | :55:46. | |
end of the night. Large hail. Temperatures will be very hot and | :55:47. | :55:51. | |
sticky. A very uncomfortable night to come. Wednesday, a thundery start | :55:52. | :55:55. | |
to the day across Northern Ireland and parts of north-west Wales, | :55:56. | :55:59. | |
north-west eng gln and Southern Scotland, severe thunderstorms | :56:00. | :56:02. | |
possible, frequent lightening, torrential rain. Then we see another | :56:03. | :56:12. | |
cluster of thunderstorms develop. Elsewhere, there will be sunshine | :56:13. | :56:15. | |
around. A cooler fresher feel to Scotland and Northern Ireland. Still | :56:16. | :56:18. | |
warm for England and Wales, but the heatwave, the second day of the | :56:19. | :56:22. | |
heatwave continues in towards East Anglia and the South East of | :56:23. | :56:25. | |
England. By Thursday though, the hot air would have been pushed off into | :56:26. | :56:33. | |
the near Continent and we start to see the Atlantic air pushing in. | :56:34. | :56:36. | |
Temperatures returning to near normal I should say for the time of | :56:37. | :56:40. | |
year. Temperatures in the north and the west the high teens Celsius and | :56:41. | :56:44. | |
the low 20 Celsius across the south and the east and with it will come a | :56:45. | :56:48. | |
few showers, but some sunshine. After this brief, very hot snap, it | :56:49. | :56:53. | |
looks like temperatures returning to near normal by the end of the week. | :56:54. | :56:58. | |
Good morning. It is Tuesday. It is just before 10am. This morning, an | :56:59. | :57:06. | |
exclusive report on the Isle of Wight five. A group of fishermen | :57:07. | :57:10. | |
convicted of smuggling ?53 million worth of cocaine. But could new | :57:11. | :57:15. | |
evidence suggest they're innocent? Well, this chart would have been | :57:16. | :57:19. | |
really report to the jury in reaching a conviction. What it | :57:20. | :57:24. | |
purports to show is the fishing vessel coming across the track of | :57:25. | :57:27. | |
the container vessel as it moved up the English Channel and that the | :57:28. | :57:30. | |
police insisted showed that it was possible for drugs to have been | :57:31. | :57:33. | |
transferred from the container vessel on to the fishing vessel. | :57:34. | :57:37. | |
We will talk to the daughter of one of the men convicted and to the | :57:38. | :57:41. | |
lawyer you saw there representing them. Plus, in the last hour, we | :57:42. | :57:45. | |
brought you an exclusive interview with a 45-year-old father of two | :57:46. | :57:49. | |
from Yorkshire who is banned from having sex unless he gives the | :57:50. | :57:53. | |
police 24 hours notice. Are you a dangerous man? No. In no respect, | :57:54. | :58:00. | |
no. I have been accused of precisely one crime in my entire 45 years and | :58:01. | :58:04. | |
I was unanimously acquitted. Before 11am, we will find out more about | :58:05. | :58:09. | |
the sexual risk orders. So many of you getting in touch about the | :58:10. | :58:15. | |
interview. This comment on whatsapp, "Bravo for the interview with John | :58:16. | :58:20. | |
O'Neill. Hopefully this goes some way to repairing his life and | :58:21. | :58:25. | |
reputation. Sad to see an innocent man treated worse than a criminal." | :58:26. | :58:31. | |
Good morning. Welcome to the programme. It is time for the news | :58:32. | :58:36. | |
and here with a summary is Anita. Good morning. MPs have voted to | :58:37. | :58:43. | |
approve the renewal of the Trident nuclear weapon system. There was a | :58:44. | :58:48. | |
majority of 355 in favour after more than half of Labour voters voted for | :58:49. | :58:52. | |
the deterrent and against their leader Jeremy Corbyn. During the | :58:53. | :58:58. | |
debate one Labour MP called his stance jewel Nile. A hand painted | :58:59. | :59:04. | |
flag of Islamic State has been found at the home of a 17-year-old Afghan | :59:05. | :59:08. | |
refugee who attacked several people with an axe and a knife on a train | :59:09. | :59:12. | |
in Germany. The teengeary was shot dead by police during the attack. | :59:13. | :59:17. | |
Two of those injured are in a critical condition. The teenager who | :59:18. | :59:21. | |
had claimed asylum after travelling to Germany had been living with a | :59:22. | :59:26. | |
foster family. IS is claiming it was behind the attack. | :59:27. | :59:31. | |
Theresa May is holding her first Cabinet meeting as Prime Minister. | :59:32. | :59:34. | |
Mrs May is expected to set out her priorities including leaving the EU | :59:35. | :59:37. | |
during the meeting ahead of visits it Germany and France later in the | :59:38. | :59:40. | |
week. It has been a raucous start to the | :59:41. | :59:44. | |
Republican Convention that will confirm Donald Trump as the party's | :59:45. | :59:47. | |
presidential candidate. There were rowdy scenes when a group of | :59:48. | :59:52. | |
delegates were refused permission to register their opposition to Mr | :59:53. | :59:54. | |
Trumpment later, he inte viewed his wife and through the night a series | :59:55. | :00:00. | |
of his supporters including former Mayor of New York, made speeches on | :00:01. | :00:01. | |
safety and security. It's time to make | :00:02. | :00:03. | |
America safe again. What happened to "There's no | :00:04. | :00:05. | |
black America, there's no white America, | :00:06. | :00:20. | |
there is just America"? A legal charity says there's | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
evidence of a miscarriage of justice in the drug-smuggling convictions | :00:26. | :00:35. | |
of a group of fishermen In an exclusive report, | :00:36. | :00:37. | |
this programme investigates who were sentenced to up to 24 years | :00:38. | :00:40. | |
in jail for a plot involving nearly We've found changed stories | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
and damaged evidence. A man who has to give police 24 | :00:46. | :00:50. | |
hours' notice before having sex with a woman for the first time | :00:51. | :00:53. | |
has told this programme 45-year-old John O'Neill has been | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
placed on a sexual risk order after being found | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
not guilty of rape. But North Yorkshire Police applied | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
for the order after the court was told he had a fascination | :01:04. | :01:06. | |
with rape fantasies and was "a very He's given this programme | :01:07. | :01:10. | |
an exclusive interview. I have to give name, address and | :01:11. | :01:24. | |
date of birth. Of? Of any woman that I intend to have any sexual contact | :01:25. | :01:28. | |
with, it's broader than just having sex. What does it include? It's | :01:29. | :01:33. | |
ridiculous. Sexual conversation would be included. Kissing is | :01:34. | :01:40. | |
included. It's so sweeping, it's ridiculous. It's so badly worded, I | :01:41. | :01:43. | |
could breach this order by accident. Los Angeles police are investigating | :01:44. | :01:46. | |
after a Playboy model publicly shared a photograph of another woman | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
naked in a gym changing room. Captioned "if I can't unsee this | :01:50. | :01:51. | |
then you can't either", Dani Mathers posted the image beside one | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
of herself covering her She later apologised, | :01:56. | :01:57. | |
saying she thought the Snapchat post It's illegal in California to share | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
a person's naked image She's also come in for a major | :02:02. | :02:07. | |
social media backlash. That's a summary of the latest BBC | :02:08. | :02:13. | |
News - more at 10.30. Do get in touch with us | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
throughout the morning - If you text, you will be charged | :02:19. | :02:20. | |
at the standard network rate. The BBC's had it confirmed | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
in the last hour that Hull boss Steve Bruce had an interview | :02:26. | :02:31. | |
for the vacant England Sunderland boss Sam Allardyce also | :02:32. | :02:34. | |
held talks last week. More on that throughout | :02:35. | :02:43. | |
the day as we get it. Chris Froome can enjoy today's rest | :02:44. | :02:46. | |
day at the Tour de France, with his lead of nearly two | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
minutes still intact. Peter Sagan won yesterday's stage | :02:50. | :02:52. | |
in the Swiss capital Berne, but two-time winner Froome crossed | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
the line in 13th to maintain his There are now four days of racing | :02:56. | :02:58. | |
before the final stage Froome is the race favourite, | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
but isn't taking Other teams have said | :03:04. | :03:07. | |
they're going to attack next week in the Alps, | :03:08. | :03:15. | |
this week in the Alps, sorry. So to say that the Tour's won, | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
and I don't have any James Anderson, Ben Stokes | :03:20. | :03:30. | |
and Adil Rashid have all been added to the England squad for the second | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
test against Pakistan, Anderson missed the opening | :03:35. | :03:36. | |
test defeat at Lord's because he was injured, but is | :03:37. | :03:41. | |
expected to return at Old Trafford - The Lancashire bowler's recall comes | :03:42. | :03:44. | |
after he was knocked off the top of the test bowling rankings | :03:45. | :03:52. | |
by Yasir Shah - what a game he had in the first match, | :03:53. | :03:55. | |
taking ten wickets. Fresh from his Wimbledon | :03:56. | :04:00. | |
heroics just nine days ago, Andy Murray has decided not | :04:01. | :04:02. | |
to defend his Rogers Cup title Murray has not played since beating | :04:03. | :04:04. | |
Milos Raonic to clinch the title for the second time, | :04:05. | :04:12. | |
and watched as Great Britain won their Davis Cup tie | :04:13. | :04:14. | |
against Serbia in Murray will train in Majorca before | :04:15. | :04:16. | |
defending his Olympic What about Northern Ireland | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
striker Will Grigg? He's earned his place among | :04:21. | :04:27. | |
the best players in Europe. And did it without making a single | :04:28. | :04:30. | |
appearance at Euro 2016! In a vote by journalists, | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
he received as many votes as France's famed | :04:36. | :04:37. | |
midfielder Paul Pogba. Not taking anything away | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
from Grigg's ability, but maybe it had more to do | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
with a song that was sung in his honour by fans | :04:46. | :04:48. | |
throughout the tournament. It's called Will Grigg's On Fire, | :04:49. | :04:50. | |
and even his team mates had a go. # Will Grigg's on fire | :04:51. | :05:03. | |
# Your defences terrified # Will Grigg's on fire | :05:04. | :05:09. | |
# Your defence is terrified # Will Grigg's on fire | :05:10. | :05:22. | |
# Your defence is terrified #. No, thank you. I've heard enough of | :05:23. | :05:29. | |
it. You can see why they are professional footballers and not | :05:30. | :05:30. | |
professional singers! Welcome to the programme. So many of | :05:31. | :05:40. | |
you are getting in touch about the man who has had a sexual risk order | :05:41. | :05:46. | |
imposed on him after he was acquitted of rape. He described the | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
devastating impact this has had on his life, including the fact that | :05:51. | :05:53. | |
his two children now don't speak to him. They live abroad and have | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
deleted from Facebook. This tweet from Mark, "I am trying to work out | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
how such a court order is even police double". A very good | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
question, which we will ask a Police and Crime Commissioner. This tweet | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
from Mary, "Regardless of what this man may do in the future, if he was | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
found not guilty, why put in place this order? Also his identity should | :06:16. | :06:19. | |
be protected". Janet says, "I cannot believe what is happening to this | :06:20. | :06:25. | |
man". Steve says, "This is a joke. A bloke into S has to tell the | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
police when he is going to have sex? It's like a police state". Amy says, | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
"I agree with the order that been imposed. The end of his trial said | :06:35. | :06:40. | |
he was dangerous". And this tweet, "The fact that this man is having to | :06:41. | :06:43. | |
defend himself on national TV is amazing". More on that later. We'll | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
talk to a Police and Crime Commissioner for Northumbria. , also | :06:49. | :06:55. | |
a former lawyer. Next on the programme, state-sponsored doping on | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
an unprecedented scale. -- scale. The IOC is meeting today to discuss | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
whether the entire Russian team should be banned from the games next | :07:05. | :07:11. | |
month. It is after Russia was found to have planned doping across 30 | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
sports from late 2011, including the build-up to London 2012 and white | :07:16. | :07:19. | |
through the Saatchi 2014 winter games. Here's how they did it. | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
It was a huge and audacious programme of deception, involving | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
everyone from Russia's sports ministry to the FSB security | :07:29. | :07:31. | |
service, formerly known as the KGB. The goal was to make you samples | :07:32. | :07:36. | |
that tested positive for drugs disappear. From late 2011 to 2015. | :07:37. | :07:45. | |
It was in order to improve Russia's sporting performance to drop the man | :07:46. | :07:48. | |
involved in Wada's investigation called this the disappearing | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
positive methodology but when that wasn't enough to hide doping, such | :07:54. | :08:00. | |
as at the Olympics in Sochi, a more elaborate plan was carried out. | :08:01. | :08:03. | |
Before competing at the games, athletes would give clean you're in | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
samples, when performance enhancing drugs were not a system. These | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
samples would be stored in the freezer by Russian authorities, | :08:14. | :08:15. | |
allowing athletes to resume doping in the run-up to the games. While at | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
the games, the Russian competitors would give you running samples in | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
the usual way, watched by an independent doping control officer. | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
Those samples were then smuggled out of the laboratory at night through | :08:30. | :08:35. | |
mouse holes between rooms, literally a hollow. They were taken away by | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
agents working for the FSB who were disguised as sewer engineers. The | :08:41. | :08:46. | |
samples were removed in a manner which didn't break the seal, | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
allowing the contaminated sample of you're in to be replaced with the | :08:51. | :08:56. | |
previously frozen clean sample which, in one final piece of | :08:57. | :09:01. | |
espionage was passed back to the lab to be tested. The report found 580 | :09:02. | :09:06. | |
positive tests were covered up across 30 different sports, but that | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
it is probable Professor McLaren had only skimmed the surface of doping | :09:11. | :09:17. | |
cases. The Russian ministry of sport directed, controlled and oversaw the | :09:18. | :09:22. | |
manipulation of athletes' results, through sample swapping and the act | :09:23. | :09:27. | |
of participation and assistance of the FSB, CSP and both Moscow and | :09:28. | :09:37. | |
Sochi laboratories. I think that athletes going to the Olympics and | :09:38. | :09:40. | |
number of sports, they need to know they are competing on a level | :09:41. | :09:43. | |
playing field so if they were competing against somebody in a | :09:44. | :09:46. | |
Russian Olympic best, there was always going to be that shadow of a | :09:47. | :09:49. | |
doubt, whether they are competing cleanly. So I think the IOC does | :09:50. | :09:55. | |
need to stand very firm on this. There are few nations to have won | :09:56. | :10:03. | |
more medals than Russia. The IOC's decision later today will determine | :10:04. | :10:06. | |
whether it can add to the tally in Rio. So should all Russian athletes | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
automatically be banned from Rio? Regardless of whether they were | :10:12. | :10:13. | |
known to dive bomber? Yesterday we had some of Britain's's greatest | :10:14. | :10:17. | |
Olympic and Paralympic athletes on the programme. This is what they | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
told... It is a huge decision. I don't envy the man that has to make | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
that final call but there has to be a line drawn at some stage. Should | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
the clean ones be banned? Yeah, ban them. They're tainted by the state | :10:31. | :10:37. | |
programme, so it's almost like you have to get rid of everybody because | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
you don't know who is not cheating so everyone is guilty by | :10:42. | :10:43. | |
association. You've got to draw the line somewhere and I think because | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
the Russians have proved what they are doing now, they that Chile | :10:48. | :10:50. | |
proved that the laboratories and things like that, and it's like a | :10:51. | :10:56. | |
drug feed. I think if you are going to just tap in and say, you are | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
going to be banned but not you, I think it is there now. The evidence | :11:02. | :11:04. | |
is there and I just think there should be a total ban in the sense | :11:05. | :11:11. | |
of everybody and set that example, set that standard, because you've | :11:12. | :11:14. | |
got to do that because how else are you going to try? It's so many | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
different sports. We have a couple of boxes who also failed. The bad | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
thing for these athletes, what they don't realise, is that these drugs | :11:23. | :11:28. | |
are really bad for you long-term. They're really destroying their | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
bodies, taking it, to get this unfair advantage. I don't understand | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
the logic at all. Let's speak to John Brewer, a professor of sports | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
science at Saint Mary's University and also a board member of UK | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
Anti-Doping. He is talking to us today in a personal capacity. Good | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
morning to you. Your reaction to the Canadian lawyer report yesterday? I | :11:50. | :11:52. | |
think it is a very sad day for sport and it shows that there are real | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
issues within Russia that need to be addressed and there are some very | :11:56. | :11:58. | |
tough and difficult decisions that the authorities will need to take | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
with regard to Russia's observation in the other big games. Before we | :12:03. | :12:05. | |
talk about that immense decision that they have to take, what struck | :12:06. | :12:11. | |
you most about the scale and depth of the cheating going on in Russia? | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
It is shock as much as anything. For some time we've had an indication | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
that there was fairly systemic doping going on within Russia that | :12:21. | :12:24. | |
clearly has caused major issues and we've been addressing the issues | :12:25. | :12:28. | |
with regard to the athletes. I think what it also shows is that | :12:29. | :12:31. | |
regardless of the outcome of this decision, there is a real need now | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
to work with the Russians on the Russian authorities to rehabilitate | :12:36. | :12:41. | |
them and to install a system within Russia that is one that all of us | :12:42. | :12:44. | |
involved in sport throughout the world want to see because if we just | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
ostracise them and kick them into touch altogether, things will only | :12:49. | :12:51. | |
get worse, so there is now a really big job of work to do, which is to | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
work with the Russians, with the athletes, the coaches and the | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
authorities to make sure going forward we have a system that is | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
clean within Russia and the rest of the world. Is there any | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
responsibility on Wada, the world anti-doping agency, on whose watch | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
this was going on? In some ways very some encouragement that this has | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
been exposed so I think there will be some retrospective looking at | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
decisions that were taken. I was the governing body of British skiing and | :13:21. | :13:23. | |
snowboarding during the Sochi Olympics, where a lot of the | :13:24. | :13:26. | |
evidence is suggesting that there were adverse practices going on. We | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
had athletes who were deprived of medals or deprived of medal winning | :13:32. | :13:33. | |
opportunities because retrospectively we see that they may | :13:34. | :13:36. | |
well have been Russians involved and ( as is. So I think the most | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
important thing is that we have to protect the right for athletes to | :13:42. | :13:46. | |
compete clean. At our university we have around 12 athletes associated | :13:47. | :13:49. | |
with the University who will be competing at the Rio Olympics and | :13:50. | :13:53. | |
they want to know that when they line up on the start line or the | :13:54. | :13:56. | |
swimming pool that they are competing against others who are | :13:57. | :14:00. | |
clean. And people watching around the world want to know that. What | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
about clean Russian athletes? Should they be allowed to compete or at | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
least to be able to show to the IOC, here are all my you're in samples, | :14:11. | :14:18. | |
there is no issue here. There is evidence to suggest they are clean | :14:19. | :14:21. | |
but we have seen a precedent where we've seen relay teams where there | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
has been four athletes competing in the relay, one athlete has tested | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
positive and unfortunately for the other three they've been stripped of | :14:31. | :14:32. | |
their medals and it may well be that there is a tough price to pay for | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
those within the Russian system, athletes who we know our band, who | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
are unable to compete in the London external of wrongdoing of others. If | :14:42. | :14:46. | |
the IOC do come to that decision and may not be today, it may be after | :14:47. | :14:48. | |
they've allowed any potentially clean athletes to put evidence | :14:49. | :14:54. | |
forward, would that be the right decision, if they ban all Russian | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
athletes from competing at Rio? I would emphasise again that I is | :15:00. | :15:02. | |
speaking personally. My view is that the evidence suggests that because I | :15:03. | :15:08. | |
know as a scientist you've taken drugs, you still have a long-term | :15:09. | :15:11. | |
benefit from those drugs, so even if you've stopped now and you go out | :15:12. | :15:14. | |
and compete in a few weeks, I would not be surprised if the whole of the | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
Russian squad were banned and I suspect that for the long-term | :15:19. | :15:21. | |
integrity of sport, that may well be the correct decision to take. You | :15:22. | :15:27. | |
will note that President Putin and the Kremlin are saying that this is | :15:28. | :15:33. | |
about politics, this is political interference, and they've issued a | :15:34. | :15:36. | |
statement this morning, "We stand against doping". | :15:37. | :15:39. | |
It is easy to say the words, the evidence maybe something different | :15:40. | :15:44. | |
and I will come back to the point I made earlier, we have to protect the | :15:45. | :15:47. | |
right of our athletes to compete in a clean environment and I have seen | :15:48. | :15:50. | |
the dedication and hard work that so many of our athletes across a range | :15:51. | :15:54. | |
of sports put into compete at the highest level for their country at | :15:55. | :15:58. | |
an Olympic Games. And they have to have the assurance that they are in | :15:59. | :16:01. | |
an environment that is as clean as possible. I think it would be naive | :16:02. | :16:06. | |
to say that it will be totally clean, but when we see evidence that | :16:07. | :16:09. | |
would suggest they are in an environment where athletes they are | :16:10. | :16:12. | |
up against may have previously doped and reaped the benefits of that or | :16:13. | :16:16. | |
perhaps have been doping up until recently then I think we have to | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
take tough and indeed difficult decisions. This tweet, "Russian | :16:21. | :16:26. | |
doping is a disgrace and zero tolerance should be the attitude." | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
Davis says, "Continued contempt from the Russians, not just in sport, but | :16:32. | :16:35. | |
in its general attitude towards rules. We need it make an example of | :16:36. | :16:42. | |
them." Bruce says, "Russia should be permanently removed from the IOC, if | :16:43. | :16:46. | |
Russian athletes aren't good enough, they should be under a different | :16:47. | :16:53. | |
flag." Another one from Sandra, "We love bashing the Russians, it is not | :16:54. | :17:01. | |
as if we don't have drug cheats in our own back yard." We need to make | :17:02. | :17:06. | |
sure that we work with them to put the right practises and the right | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
regime in place. Do you think if it was a life ban, that would be the | :17:12. | :17:15. | |
ultimate deterrent? I think you are talking about a life ban for | :17:16. | :17:18. | |
individual athletes of the tweet there was suggesting that the | :17:19. | :17:21. | |
Russians should be banned for a long period of time. I think we have | :17:22. | :17:25. | |
moved a long way to the extension of the ban for an athlete who tests | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
positive to make it four years and lifetime for a second offence, | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
that's a positive step. Most importantly, as a sports scientist, | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
I am encouraged about the advances in science that enable us to test | :17:39. | :17:42. | |
samples, eight, tense years afterwards. It is amazing, but even | :17:43. | :17:46. | |
with the advances in science, the cheats are always a step ahead? | :17:47. | :17:50. | |
That's why we need too to keep investing in the science. If we | :17:51. | :17:54. | |
throw our hands up and say we will never win, things are only going to | :17:55. | :17:59. | |
get worse. It is important we fund the anti doping agencies and fund | :18:00. | :18:03. | |
the scientific research. Despite their failures? Or the fact that we | :18:04. | :18:07. | |
are picking up cheats I would suggest is in a sense a positive | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
news and we are, I think, in a situation now where anybody who win | :18:13. | :18:15. | |
as medal, who has in the past cheated and taken a banned substance | :18:16. | :18:21. | |
cannot sleep lightly and can always look over their shoulder and suspect | :18:22. | :18:26. | |
they might get a test that strips that medal from them five or ten | :18:27. | :18:29. | |
years down the line. I am encouraged about the world we are moving into. | :18:30. | :18:37. | |
Thank you. This 45-year-old father of two is | :18:38. | :18:41. | |
banned from having sex unless he gives the police 24 hours notice. | :18:42. | :18:48. | |
Those are the terms of a sexual risk order imposed on him. | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
MPs have voted by a margin of four to one to renew the Trident | :18:54. | :18:56. | |
60% of Labour MPs voted in favour of Trident | :18:57. | :19:03. | |
We'll look at what this means for Labour in just a moment, | :19:04. | :19:08. | |
Trident is the name of the UK's nuclear weapons system. The system | :19:09. | :19:19. | |
is made up of four sur Marines, 58 Trident nuclear missiles and a | :19:20. | :19:23. | |
stockpile of over 200 nuclear warheads. Trident miss iletion | :19:24. | :19:26. | |
carried on the submarines are 18 times more powerful than the bomb | :19:27. | :19:34. | |
than drop on Hiroshima. The submarines were built between 1986 | :19:35. | :19:40. | |
and 1999. They are old and need replacing. Doing that will cost ?31 | :19:41. | :19:46. | |
billion over 35 years. That's about 0.2% of total Government spending. | :19:47. | :19:53. | |
Protesters argue keeping nuclear weapons costs too much money. | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
Keeping nuclear warheads could lead to accidents and they say it makes | :19:59. | :20:04. | |
the UK more unsafe. Those in favour of Trident think it | :20:05. | :20:08. | |
makes us safer because it is a deterrent. | :20:09. | :20:14. | |
Nine countries have nuclear weapons including Russia, Pakistan, and | :20:15. | :20:15. | |
North Korea. We can talk now to Ryan Ramsey | :20:16. | :20:26. | |
a former Submarine Commander in the Navy's attack fleet | :20:27. | :20:29. | |
who trained others to captain the Trident submarines | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
and Rear Admiral John Gower, a former assistant chief of defence | :20:34. | :20:35. | |
staff for nuclear deployment. Welcome both of you. Ryan Ramsay, | :20:36. | :20:46. | |
you completed underwater training missions on Trident submarines. | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
Describe for our audience the submarine? It is a huge vessel. It | :20:51. | :20:56. | |
is impressive technology wise. And it is impressive piece of equipment | :20:57. | :21:02. | |
that's taken out to sea providing the deterrents that the UK needs. | :21:03. | :21:06. | |
More importantly as the crews that operate it, so keeping that going | :21:07. | :21:13. | |
24/7, 365 requires highly skilled operators, people who can make | :21:14. | :21:16. | |
decisions and people who can lead and people who can follow and they | :21:17. | :21:19. | |
do that effectively. Tell us about the responsibility you feel on | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
taking a nuclear powered submarine to sea? It is a huge responsibility | :21:24. | :21:27. | |
of taking any warship or submarine to sea. It is about achieving | :21:28. | :21:33. | |
political effect. It is about achieving strategic effect, but | :21:34. | :21:35. | |
importantly, it is about bringing your crews home safely as well. So | :21:36. | :21:39. | |
taking your crews off in the nobbling that you might go to war -- | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
knowledge that you might go to war is a huge responsibility, but it is | :21:45. | :21:47. | |
a prif leubleg and one I enjoyed. Much of the time though, life must | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
ablittle mundane on a submarine? I describe it as 60% of boredom, | :21:54. | :21:59. | |
mundane, day-to-day stuff and then 40% of adrenalin rush and actually | :22:00. | :22:04. | |
managing it your team to be able to do that on a ballistic missile | :22:05. | :22:09. | |
submarine for up to 90 to 100 days is a huge challenge and for some of | :22:10. | :22:15. | |
the attack submarines that go on deployments of 300 days that's a | :22:16. | :22:19. | |
huge challenge for the leadership team. I think you spent nearly a yor | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
at one stage under the ocean. How do you deal with that? Days roll into | :22:24. | :22:29. | |
days, but the tasking that attack submarines have varies a lot so | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
there is always a new challenge. By focussing on the near term with a | :22:34. | :22:37. | |
longer term focus on making sure you bring the submarine back after 386 | :22:38. | :22:45. | |
days away that keeps you focussed. We think nine countries have nuclear | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
weapons. As a deterrent, does Trident work? Yes, I mean the | :22:51. | :23:02. | |
deterrent worked fielded by ourselves, France and United States, | :23:03. | :23:08. | |
we haven't had a nuclear weapon used in anger since 9th August 1945. And | :23:09. | :23:14. | |
so to say that the deterrent doesn't work isn't correct, it works every | :23:15. | :23:19. | |
day. Sorry, yes? I have messages from viewers saying what use is | :23:20. | :23:23. | |
Trident when we have lorries being used as weapons these days? Well, | :23:24. | :23:31. | |
Trident has never and is never meant to deter terrorism or other threats | :23:32. | :23:37. | |
that are not nuclear. Trident is there to assure and guarantee the | :23:38. | :23:40. | |
security of the United Kingdom and her allies through the Nato alliance | :23:41. | :23:44. | |
against the most extreme of threats. Either direct attack with nuclear | :23:45. | :23:48. | |
weapons or the use of nuclear weapons to coerce and certainly the | :23:49. | :23:57. | |
behaviour of Russia over Ukraine and her blatant nuclear saibor rattling | :23:58. | :24:00. | |
over the last two years has shown that this threat is not some relic | :24:01. | :24:07. | |
of a bygone era. This is here today, but there is no case made for | :24:08. | :24:12. | |
Trident to prevent against terrorism and therefore, to say it doesn't | :24:13. | :24:18. | |
prevent against terrorism to get rid of it is fa she shoulds. Trident did | :24:19. | :24:25. | |
not stop Russia going into Ukraine? No, but that was not a nuclear | :24:26. | :24:32. | |
threat. It is not panacea against all things, but it is a panacea | :24:33. | :24:38. | |
against Russia using nuclear weapons. Ryan Ramsay you were | :24:39. | :24:43. | |
captain of a number of attacked submarines. What is the difference | :24:44. | :24:46. | |
between those and the Trident programme? I was the captain of one | :24:47. | :24:50. | |
nuclear attack sub marred rern. The difference is the size. The | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
ballistic missile submarine is five times larger than the attack | :24:56. | :24:58. | |
submarine. The tasking is different as well. So the attack submarine is | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
about intelligence gathering, almost a first line of defence for the | :25:04. | :25:10. | |
United Kingdom and using tomorrow owe hawk missiles when required. | :25:11. | :25:22. | |
Adding to the first line by deterrence itself. Ryan Ramsay and | :25:23. | :25:28. | |
you heard from Rather Admiral John Gower. | :25:29. | :25:32. | |
A hand-painted flag of so-called Islamic State has been found | :25:33. | :25:35. | |
in the room of a teenage Afghan asylum seeker who attacked | :25:36. | :25:37. | |
passengers on a train in Germany with an axe. | :25:38. | :25:39. | |
Our correspondent Damien McGuinness is in Berlin. | :25:40. | :25:43. | |
Tell us more about what happened last night. Well, it was quite a | :25:44. | :25:51. | |
horrific attack for those on the train Victoria. Apparently what | :25:52. | :25:55. | |
happened is the young man was-weeks-olding an axe and a knife | :25:56. | :26:02. | |
-- wielding an axe and a knife and started attacking passengers | :26:03. | :26:04. | |
viciously particularly a Chinese family who were travelling on the | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
train. He attacked people in the stomach and on the head with the axe | :26:09. | :26:11. | |
and then one of the passengers pull the emergency chord, the train | :26:12. | :26:17. | |
ground to a halt and the attacker fled the scene as it happens, there | :26:18. | :26:23. | |
was a special Commando armed unit of German police nearby. They chased | :26:24. | :26:27. | |
after the perpetrator. They tracked him down. In the conflict that | :26:28. | :26:35. | |
ensued the attacker tried to attack the police officers who then shot | :26:36. | :26:39. | |
him dead. So the situation right now is that five people in total were | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
injured. Four of them seriously and two of them are still in a critical | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
condition. So it is a very serious attack, indeed, but the real | :26:49. | :26:52. | |
question is what's the motivation behind the attack because this young | :26:53. | :26:57. | |
man was a 17-year-old Afghan who had come here as an asylum seeker two | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
years ago to Germany, what his motivation was is going to have a | :27:03. | :27:05. | |
big impact as to what that means for wider society as a whole here in | :27:06. | :27:08. | |
Germany. Now that the flag has been found, what are people saying about | :27:09. | :27:14. | |
that? Well, of course, now police are investigating whether this is in | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
fact an Islamist extremist attack and so-called Islamic State has | :27:19. | :27:21. | |
claimed responsibility for the attack. They say that this young man | :27:22. | :27:27. | |
was in fact one of their followers. Police are treating all of this with | :27:28. | :27:33. | |
some caution including claims by one eyewitness that the man shouted out, | :27:34. | :27:39. | |
"Allah is great." In Arabic as he carried out the attack. Police can't | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
confirm that's true, but they are treating it now as a potential | :27:44. | :27:51. | |
Islamist extremist attack and the reason why problematic, it will | :27:52. | :27:56. | |
increase fears about potential lone wolf attacks and particularly in | :27:57. | :27:59. | |
neighbouring France we have had a couple of extreme terror attacks | :28:00. | :28:03. | |
over the past year. Germany is already nervous that something | :28:04. | :28:06. | |
similar could happen. It is problem attic because of the migrant crisis. | :28:07. | :28:12. | |
In 2015 Germany took in more than one million migrants and refugees | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
that was very controversial. Many people here supported Angela | :28:18. | :28:20. | |
Merkel's stance on refugees, but many people objected to it. It | :28:21. | :28:23. | |
really divided the country. Since the beginning of the year, numbers | :28:24. | :28:26. | |
have gone down. So that has meant that actually that debate seems to | :28:27. | :28:31. | |
have calmed somewhat, but the attack last night has really sparked off | :28:32. | :28:36. | |
that debate and shown that the division in society over Angela | :28:37. | :28:39. | |
Merkel's stance on refugees is still very much there. | :28:40. | :28:43. | |
Thank you very much, Damien McGuinness in Berlin. | :28:44. | :28:46. | |
A group of fishermen and colleagues | :28:47. | :28:49. | |
convicted of smuggling ?53 million worth of cocaine. | :28:50. | :28:51. | |
Could new evidence suggest they're innocent? | :28:52. | :28:53. | |
We'll talk to the daughter of one of the men convicted | :28:54. | :28:55. | |
This father of two is banned from having sex unless he gives the | :28:56. | :29:08. | |
police 24 hours notice because of a sexual risk order that has been | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
imposed upon him. We'll talk about the orders in much more detail and | :29:13. | :29:16. | |
whether they have a role to play in protecting people. This e-mail from | :29:17. | :29:20. | |
Michael, "What has become of our justice system when a guy acquitted | :29:21. | :29:24. | |
of rape is open to further punishment for a crime at the didn't | :29:25. | :29:29. | |
commit and is now on TV having his entire personal private sexual life | :29:30. | :29:33. | |
opened up. The rule is ridiculous. The man is innocent. He should be | :29:34. | :29:38. | |
able to live his life freely without this attention." This tweet, "This | :29:39. | :29:43. | |
is fascinating. I had no idea things like this could happen in this | :29:44. | :29:47. | |
country." Susan said, "I disagreed with this order at first, but he | :29:48. | :29:52. | |
openly admits rape fantasies so prevention is sensible." Jan says, | :29:53. | :29:59. | |
"Just because he is into S and M, it doesn't make him a rapist. He is | :30:00. | :30:03. | |
guilty of enjoying sexual pleasure like 99% of all human beings." | :30:04. | :30:07. | |
Graham says, "The judge surely wouldn't describe him as a dangerous | :30:08. | :30:11. | |
man if it were not a fair assessment of his character based on the | :30:12. | :30:17. | |
evidence put before the court." This text says, "I'm disgusted by the way | :30:18. | :30:20. | |
this man has been treated. We truly are living in a police state. Have | :30:21. | :30:25. | |
the police got nothing better to do ie catching criminals?" | :30:26. | :30:28. | |
Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
A hand-painted flag of the terror group so-called | :30:33. | :30:36. | |
at the home of a 17-year-old Afghan refugee who attacked several | :30:37. | :30:40. | |
people with an axe and a knife on a train in Germany. | :30:41. | :30:43. | |
The teenager was shot dead by police during the attack near the southern | :30:44. | :30:46. | |
Two of those injured are in a critical condition. | :30:47. | :30:49. | |
The teenager, who had claimed asylum after travelling to Germany | :30:50. | :30:52. | |
as an unaccompanied minor, had been living with a foster family. | :30:53. | :30:54. | |
IS is now claiming it was behind the attack. | :30:55. | :31:02. | |
MPs have voted overwhelmingly to approve a renewal of the Trident | :31:03. | :31:05. | |
There was a majority of 355 in favour, after more | :31:06. | :31:08. | |
than half of Labour MPs voted for the deterrent and against their | :31:09. | :31:11. | |
During the debate, one Labour MP called his stance "juvenile | :31:12. | :31:15. | |
Theresa May is holding her first cabinet meeting | :31:16. | :31:21. | |
Mrs May is expected to set out her priorities, | :31:22. | :31:25. | |
including leaving the EU, during the meeting, ahead | :31:26. | :31:28. | |
of visits to Germany and France later in the week. | :31:29. | :31:31. | |
It's been a raucous start to the Republican convention that | :31:32. | :31:34. | |
will confirm Donald Trump as the party's | :31:35. | :31:35. | |
There were claims that part of a keynote speech by Donald Trump's | :31:36. | :31:47. | |
wife Melania was strikingly similar to Michelle Obama was both speech | :31:48. | :31:51. | |
eight years ago. Mrs Trump, who was born in Slovenia, said she has as | :31:52. | :31:55. | |
little help as possible to write the speech, which stressed family | :31:56. | :31:57. | |
values. A legal charity says there's | :31:58. | :32:19. | |
evidence of a miscarriage of justice in the drug-smuggling convictions | :32:20. | :32:21. | |
of a group of fishermen In an exclusive report our programme | :32:22. | :32:24. | |
investigates the case of the men, who were sentenced to up to 24 years | :32:25. | :32:28. | |
in jail for a plot involving nearly We've found changed stories - | :32:29. | :32:31. | |
and damaged evidence. The Russian Olympic committee has | :32:32. | :32:35. | |
declared this morning that it stands against doping - | :32:36. | :32:37. | |
but that the fate of honest athletes shouldn't depend | :32:38. | :32:40. | |
on unproven accusations. It comes as the International | :32:41. | :32:41. | |
Olympic Committee prepares to decide whether or not to ban ALL Russian | :32:42. | :32:44. | |
athletes from the games in Rio. Russia is accused of operating | :32:45. | :32:47. | |
a state-sponsored doping programme for four years across the "vast | :32:48. | :32:49. | |
majority" of summer The country's track-and-field | :32:50. | :32:51. | |
team is already banned Join me for BBC Newsroom | :32:52. | :32:54. | |
Live at 11 o'clock. Jessica has the morning's | :32:55. | :32:59. | |
sport headlines now. The BBC's had it confirmed | :33:00. | :33:00. | |
this morning that Hull boss Steve Bruce had an interview | :33:01. | :33:03. | |
for the vacant England Sunderland boss Sam Allardyce also | :33:04. | :33:05. | |
held talks last week. More on that as we have a. Hi have | :33:06. | :33:09. | |
it. Peter Sagan won yesterday's | :33:10. | :33:16. | |
Tour de France stage But two-time winner Chris Froome | :33:17. | :33:18. | |
crossed the line in 13th to maintain his grip on the leader's | :33:19. | :33:21. | |
yellow jersey, and has a lead James Anderson, Ben Stokes | :33:22. | :33:24. | |
and Adil Rashid have all been added to the England squad for the second | :33:25. | :33:28. | |
test against Pakistan, Anderson missed the opening | :33:29. | :33:30. | |
test defeat at Lord's because he was injured, but is | :33:31. | :33:35. | |
expected to return at Old Trafford - Andy Murray has decided not | :33:36. | :33:38. | |
to defend his Rogers Cup title The world number two hasn't played | :33:39. | :33:42. | |
since beating Milos Raonic to win the Wimbledon title | :33:43. | :33:46. | |
for the second time. Murray will train in Majorca before | :33:47. | :33:48. | |
defending his Olympic Updates on all those stories | :33:49. | :33:59. | |
throughout the morning on the BBC News Channel. | :34:00. | :34:00. | |
Five years ago, a group of family men from the Isle of Wight | :34:01. | :34:03. | |
were given a combined prison sentence of 104 years | :34:04. | :34:06. | |
for masterminding a ?53 million cocaine smuggling operation. | :34:07. | :34:09. | |
But this programme has obtained new evidence which suggests | :34:10. | :34:13. | |
Our reporter Jim Reed has spent six months following the story. | :34:14. | :34:18. | |
We bought you his full report an hour ago - here's | :34:19. | :34:20. | |
A bad recovered and brought the police station. It was one of the | :34:21. | :34:36. | |
largest drug plots of the decade. In 2010, a quarter of a tonne of | :34:37. | :34:41. | |
cocaine was found in the sea off the Isle of white. The police said it | :34:42. | :34:44. | |
had been left there, wrapped around a boy, by a fishing boat which had | :34:45. | :34:51. | |
picked it up from a container ship in the English Channel. The only | :34:52. | :34:54. | |
thing of interest we could see were a couple of canisters floating in | :34:55. | :34:58. | |
the water. At the bags were spotted by a member of the public and these | :34:59. | :35:02. | |
five men were arrested and convicted. Hello, darling. Most were | :35:03. | :35:10. | |
local fishermen with families and most serious criminal records. Sue's | :35:11. | :35:15. | |
husband Jonathan was said to be the organiser of the plot. He is now | :35:16. | :35:20. | |
serving 24 years in a high security prison in the Midlands. When you | :35:21. | :35:24. | |
find out what he was being accused of and charged with, what was your | :35:25. | :35:29. | |
reaction? It was ridiculous. What? It's just a stupid mistake and he'll | :35:30. | :35:37. | |
be home. But he never came home? Hasn't been home since the 18th of | :35:38. | :35:43. | |
January 2011. A hi-tech search of the men's boat after they were | :35:44. | :35:47. | |
arrested could find no trace of the cocaine. All five still maintain | :35:48. | :35:50. | |
they are innocent, five years after their trial. I wanted to tell you | :35:51. | :35:56. | |
where I've got to... They are now being represented by the first | :35:57. | :36:00. | |
charity of its kind in Britain, specialising in miscarriage of | :36:01. | :36:03. | |
Justice investigations. This chart would have been really important to | :36:04. | :36:06. | |
the jury in reaching a conviction because what liberal ports to show | :36:07. | :36:11. | |
is the kissing vessel -- fishing vessel coming across the track. The | :36:12. | :36:17. | |
police insisted that showed it was possible for drugs to have been | :36:18. | :36:20. | |
transferred from the container vessel onto the fishing vessel. At | :36:21. | :36:26. | |
the charity has now commissioned expert review of this data. Emily | :36:27. | :36:30. | |
Bolton claims it shows the prosecution got it wrong, leaving | :36:31. | :36:34. | |
out key plot points and using faulty information. If true, it would mean | :36:35. | :36:37. | |
the pass of the boats were never closer than 100 metres from each | :36:38. | :36:41. | |
other. A container ship was actually heading further south. The fishing | :36:42. | :36:47. | |
vessel never intercepted with the trap of the container ship and there | :36:48. | :36:50. | |
for good not have collected the drugs from the sea in the way that | :36:51. | :36:53. | |
the police insisted they must've done. The charity claims its work | :36:54. | :36:58. | |
also proves the drugs could not have been dropped off by the fishing boat | :36:59. | :37:02. | |
in the bay, as the water there is too shallow and the tide would have | :37:03. | :37:04. | |
taken the drugs in the opposite direction. That new evidence has | :37:05. | :37:11. | |
formed part of a submission to the criminal cases review commission, | :37:12. | :37:14. | |
which must now decide if the men will get a new appeal. The National | :37:15. | :37:18. | |
Crime Agency, which led the drugs operation in the channel, said it | :37:19. | :37:21. | |
can't comment while less investigation is ongoing. | :37:22. | :37:24. | |
Let's speak now to Maisy Green, whose father Jamie Green | :37:25. | :37:27. | |
was convicted of conspiracy to import cocaine and sentenced | :37:28. | :37:29. | |
And also to Emily Bolton, who you saw in the film and who has taken | :37:30. | :37:37. | |
on the case and runs the Centre for Criminal Appeals. | :37:38. | :37:43. | |
Good morning, both of you. Thank you for coming on the programme. Emily | :37:44. | :37:49. | |
Bolton, why are you convinced that the prosecution got the plot points | :37:50. | :37:52. | |
of both the fishing boat and the container ship ran? They got the | :37:53. | :37:56. | |
plot points of the container ship wrong by misinterpreting a piece of | :37:57. | :38:01. | |
data and by missing out... It's join the dots exercise. So really simple? | :38:02. | :38:07. | |
Very basic. They got that wrong and they didn't disclose the information | :38:08. | :38:11. | |
that would have enabled the defence at trial to work out that it was | :38:12. | :38:16. | |
wrong. And the GPS data that you have, that you say shows the correct | :38:17. | :38:21. | |
route of the fishing boat in particular, why is that 100% | :38:22. | :38:25. | |
accurate? The reason that's accurate is that it's a very sophisticated | :38:26. | :38:30. | |
device used for fishermen to be able to do their work, go about their | :38:31. | :38:33. | |
business in the sea, know where they are and come back to their pots and | :38:34. | :38:37. | |
retrieve them, so it's a very accurately circuit, | :38:38. | :38:40. | |
state-of-the-art, and exactly what's needed for lobster fishing, which is | :38:41. | :38:45. | |
how Jamie Green has made living. The two capture police officers that saw | :38:46. | :38:49. | |
someone on a boat throwing stuff off, maybe six or seven items, we | :38:50. | :38:54. | |
now know there were 11 bags of cocaine at that freshwater Bay area, | :38:55. | :38:59. | |
does that really matter whether they saw six or seven or whether it was | :39:00. | :39:03. | |
12? I think more what matters there is the detail that they missed. | :39:04. | :39:07. | |
They're not describing the drugs as they were found and they changed | :39:08. | :39:10. | |
their descriptions to make them match what was actually found. But | :39:11. | :39:16. | |
it doesn't mean, does it, that the five men could have been the ones | :39:17. | :39:19. | |
throwing stuff off the side of the boat which could have been cocaine? | :39:20. | :39:23. | |
It does because if you combine that evidence with the evidence from the | :39:24. | :39:27. | |
mid-channel, we now know that the two boats didn't intersect and they | :39:28. | :39:30. | |
basically could not have picked up the bags at the time the police | :39:31. | :39:33. | |
theorised they were dropped and this is not evidence the jury were able | :39:34. | :39:36. | |
to hear at trial and it's not evidence that has been heard by the | :39:37. | :39:39. | |
Court of Appeal and we want to chance to get this evidence in front | :39:40. | :39:44. | |
of a court as a matter of urgency. Are there any other possible | :39:45. | :39:49. | |
explanations how, if the boats didn't cross paths, that cocaine | :39:50. | :39:52. | |
could have ended up on the five men's fishing boat? We checked the | :39:53. | :39:58. | |
issue of drift and in Jim's PCC bit of information about that. We check | :39:59. | :40:01. | |
whether the banks could have drifted. We have modelling software | :40:02. | :40:05. | |
that enables you to look into these things and that also doesn't work. | :40:06. | :40:09. | |
The bags would have drifted away from the boat, not towards it. There | :40:10. | :40:14. | |
is no way that your GPS digital tracking could have missed about | :40:15. | :40:17. | |
going towards the bags of cocaine to pick them up? The GPS digital track | :40:18. | :40:21. | |
and we have a sour boat, it shows where our boat was and it was not in | :40:22. | :40:28. | |
the place where it would need to be. Where is this case up to in terms of | :40:29. | :40:32. | |
you wanting a Court of Appeal hearing? This case is an emergency. | :40:33. | :40:38. | |
These five men have been imprisoned since 2010 and it is in front of the | :40:39. | :40:41. | |
Kiro cases review commission, the body set up to investigate suspected | :40:42. | :40:48. | |
miscarriages of justice. -- criminal cases review commission. But that | :40:49. | :40:52. | |
body is so underfunded that the cases been an icky of 18 months. We | :40:53. | :40:55. | |
see our charity as being the ambulance, we go out and pick up the | :40:56. | :40:59. | |
casualties of justice and we watch them to hospital but when they get | :41:00. | :41:03. | |
to the Court of Appeal, or the commission can actually do something | :41:04. | :41:06. | |
about their condition, they are told to wait in a queue. It is like these | :41:07. | :41:10. | |
cases, these casualties of justice, are bleeding out on a stretcher in a | :41:11. | :41:13. | |
queue waiting for the urgent treatment they need and that can't | :41:14. | :41:18. | |
persist and if Theresa May is serious about investigating issues | :41:19. | :41:20. | |
with police accountability and with our criminal justice system, we need | :41:21. | :41:24. | |
to see more funding for the institutions that run our appeals | :41:25. | :41:27. | |
process, the commission and the Court of Appeal. Sydney on Facebook, | :41:28. | :41:32. | |
and this is representative of a number of comments, says, the | :41:33. | :41:38. | |
evidence seems... It's just such a coincidence, you know? How are you | :41:39. | :41:43. | |
so clear that these men are innocent? Once you look at the | :41:44. | :41:46. | |
evidence in detail, and the fresh evidence that no court has looked at | :41:47. | :41:51. | |
before that no jury has ever heard, I think Sydney would have his | :41:52. | :41:54. | |
questions answered. It is almost too much detail to go into here but the | :41:55. | :41:58. | |
fresh evidence makes absolutely clear that they could not have | :41:59. | :42:02. | |
picked up those drugs at sea. Maisie, your father was convicted of | :42:03. | :42:06. | |
conspiracy to import drugs and sentenced to 24 years in jail. It | :42:07. | :42:11. | |
was your dad who owned and skippered the boat. Why do you think is | :42:12. | :42:19. | |
innocent? My dad has been a fisherman all his life, it's what | :42:20. | :42:22. | |
he's done, it's what he's always wanted to do, he's never done | :42:23. | :42:30. | |
anything differently. So that's all he's done and why would he do | :42:31. | :42:33. | |
something like this? Why would it happen now? Why, 47 years down the | :42:34. | :42:41. | |
line, why all of a sudden? It's just crazy. It's ridiculous. Because it's | :42:42. | :42:48. | |
a chance to earn a lot of money, potentially, if you don't get | :42:49. | :42:53. | |
caught. My dad's a simple fisherman from the island. We are a close | :42:54. | :43:02. | |
family. We've worked hard together. My grandparents have a seafood | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
restaurant. That is our family life and it is just ridiculous to assume | :43:07. | :43:09. | |
that my dad would do something like this. He's got three kids, me being | :43:10. | :43:14. | |
one of them. His wife was terminally ill. Why would he do something like | :43:15. | :43:21. | |
this, and cause the devastation and impact that it's caused our family? | :43:22. | :43:25. | |
You went to visit him last Saturday in jail. Between the three of you, | :43:26. | :43:31. | |
you go once a week, I think. What would you say your father's state of | :43:32. | :43:36. | |
mind is? He's very frustrated. Obviously, the last year has been a | :43:37. | :43:40. | |
lot worse than previous years with the passing of my mother at the end | :43:41. | :43:47. | |
of last year. He's had, as you can imagine, for anyone to be put in | :43:48. | :43:51. | |
prison, let alone to be put there when he hasn't done anything wrong, | :43:52. | :43:58. | |
for the ongoing suffering of my mum, obviously now she's passed away... | :43:59. | :44:01. | |
It's bad enough for us so I can't imagine what it's like for him in | :44:02. | :44:08. | |
there. Me and my sister have seen a downward spiral in him in the last | :44:09. | :44:20. | |
six months, since my mum's died. We think he is in a more mindful sense | :44:21. | :44:24. | |
with the passing and slowly getting over that with my mum, obviously | :44:25. | :44:32. | |
it's difficult. But I'm not in that position. It is difficult enough for | :44:33. | :44:36. | |
us so I can't imagine what it's like for him. And just countable through | :44:37. | :44:40. | |
moment, I'm coming back to a second. I just want to bring our audience | :44:41. | :44:44. | |
this news from Lincolnshire Police. They say that three people have been | :44:45. | :44:49. | |
killed in a shooting in Spalding. The police statement is as | :44:50. | :44:51. | |
follows... We can confirm that there has been a firearms incident on a | :44:52. | :44:57. | |
road in Spalding in Lincolnshire, in the vicinity of the Castle swimming | :44:58. | :45:02. | |
pool, in which three people have been fatally wounded, including the | :45:03. | :45:06. | |
suspected offender. There is an ongoing police investigation and | :45:07. | :45:08. | |
operation. At this stage we are not looking for anyone else in | :45:09. | :45:12. | |
connection with this. There is no indication that this is a terrorist | :45:13. | :45:15. | |
related incident. Mailshots have been fired by the police. We urge | :45:16. | :45:19. | |
members of the public to stay away from the area at the moment. Any | :45:20. | :45:23. | |
witnesses to the incident you haven't already spoken to officers | :45:24. | :45:30. | |
at the scene are asked to call 101, quoting number 92 of the 19th of | :45:31. | :45:33. | |
July. So Lincolnshire Police say that three people have been killed | :45:34. | :45:39. | |
in a shooting in Spalding, including the suspected offender. Clearly | :45:40. | :45:42. | |
there is an ongoing police operation in the castle swimming pool area. | :45:43. | :45:49. | |
Police say, at this stage, there is no indication to suggest that this | :45:50. | :45:52. | |
is a terrorist related incident. More on this in the next few minutes | :45:53. | :45:54. | |
of the programme. Let's continue our conversation with | :45:55. | :46:06. | |
Maisie Green whose father is in jail. Was your father able to see | :46:07. | :46:13. | |
your mum before she died? He was. He attended the hospice which was on | :46:14. | :46:17. | |
the Isle of Wight a few weeks before my mum passed away. He was supposed | :46:18. | :46:22. | |
to attend for the day. There was some sort of problem with the prison | :46:23. | :46:28. | |
that couldn't book the ferry in time and usual problems with the system | :46:29. | :46:37. | |
so he only got a few hours which was disappointing. We were hoping he | :46:38. | :46:42. | |
would get the day there. He three hours and he had to be taken away. | :46:43. | :46:49. | |
How hopeful are you that this case will be overturned at some point in | :46:50. | :46:54. | |
the future? I am very hopeful and so are the rest of the family with the | :46:55. | :47:00. | |
hard work from Emily and the work that my auntie put into the case. As | :47:01. | :47:05. | |
every month passes it is more hopeful, we are all more hopeful and | :47:06. | :47:12. | |
kind of working towards getting a result from the appeal board and | :47:13. | :47:18. | |
hopefully going from there. I mean, we, as a family, without my mum, | :47:19. | :47:22. | |
could really do with him being out so... As a lawyer, you have seen a | :47:23. | :47:26. | |
lot of cases. Is this a miscarriage of justice? I think this is clearly | :47:27. | :47:31. | |
a miscarriage of justice and what made it doubly so is the delay in | :47:32. | :47:37. | |
getting in rectified. This young woman's father had to give the ulogy | :47:38. | :47:51. | |
at his wife's funeral shackled by a prison guard. The evidence is | :47:52. | :47:56. | |
already there that proves these men are the victim of a miscarriage of | :47:57. | :48:00. | |
justice. The system failed them and is holding them in a queue and | :48:01. | :48:06. | |
keeping the lives of the family members and robbed Jamie of the | :48:07. | :48:12. | |
chance to be with her in her last days. | :48:13. | :48:13. | |
Thank you. Hampshire Police told us it wouldn't | :48:14. | :48:16. | |
be appropriate to comment because the investigation | :48:17. | :48:19. | |
was led by the Serious Organised They did, however, confirm | :48:20. | :48:21. | |
that they have no ongoing complaints The NCA, or National Crime Agency, | :48:22. | :48:25. | |
also told us it wasn't appropriate to comment while the case | :48:26. | :48:31. | |
is before the Criminal If you want to watch | :48:32. | :48:33. | |
the full film or share it, you can find it on our programme | :48:34. | :48:40. | |
page: bbc.co.uk/victoria Hundreds of people have complained | :48:41. | :48:45. | |
to the press regulator about an article by Sun columnist | :48:46. | :48:48. | |
Kelvin Mackenzie who suggested a Channel 4 presenter should not | :48:49. | :48:50. | |
have been allowed to present a report of last week's | :48:51. | :48:55. | |
mass killings in Nice because she is a Muslim | :48:56. | :48:58. | |
who wears the hijab. The reporter is Fatima Manji who has | :48:59. | :49:02. | |
worked at Channel 4 for four years. Good afternoon. At least 84 people | :49:03. | :49:16. | |
have died and dozens are hurt in France after a truck drove through | :49:17. | :49:20. | |
crowds along Nice's packed waterfront. Ten children are among | :49:21. | :49:25. | |
the dead after the driver hit people celebrating Bastille Day along the | :49:26. | :49:30. | |
famous promenade. 15 more children are being treated this hospital. | :49:31. | :49:33. | |
Some with life threatening injuries. Witnesses say the driver swerved | :49:34. | :49:38. | |
from side to side for as much as one mile to kill as many people as | :49:39. | :49:39. | |
possible. Here's an extract from | :49:40. | :49:42. | |
Kelvin Mackenzie's column, Was it appropriate for her to be | :49:43. | :49:44. | |
on camera when there had been yet another shocking | :49:45. | :49:49. | |
slaughter by a Muslim? Was it done to stick one in the eye | :49:50. | :49:52. | |
of the ordinary viewer who looks at the hijab as a sign | :49:53. | :49:55. | |
of the slavery of Muslim women by a male-dominated | :49:56. | :49:58. | |
and clearly violent religion?" We wanted to speak to Kelvin | :49:59. | :50:07. | |
MacKenzie this morning, but he has not returned any of our calls. We | :50:08. | :50:11. | |
wanted to talk to the Sun management, but they said they | :50:12. | :50:14. | |
weren't commenting. Channel 4 said Mr MacKenzie's remarks are offensive | :50:15. | :50:16. | |
and completely unacceptable. You might expect controversy | :50:17. | :50:21. | |
from Donald Trump at the Republican national convention but probably not | :50:22. | :50:25. | |
from his wife Melania. Parts of the her keynote | :50:26. | :50:29. | |
speech were found to bear a striking similarity | :50:30. | :50:33. | |
to the text delivered by Michelle Obama when her husband | :50:34. | :50:43. | |
won the Democratic Party's The passages in question focused | :50:44. | :50:45. | |
on lessons that Melania Trump learned from her parents | :50:46. | :50:49. | |
and her experience as a mother. From my young age my parents | :50:50. | :51:01. | |
impressed on me the same values. You work hard, that your work is your | :51:02. | :51:06. | |
bond. Your word is your bond and you say what you're going to do. You | :51:07. | :51:12. | |
treat people with respect. With dignity and respect. The height of | :51:13. | :51:20. | |
your achievements is the reach of your dreams and your willingness to | :51:21. | :51:21. | |
work hard for them. In an exclusive interview, a man | :51:22. | :51:25. | |
who has to tell police 24 hours in advance of having sex has told | :51:26. | :51:28. | |
this programme his life John O'Neill was cleared of rape | :51:29. | :51:31. | |
last year, but the judge said his fascination with S meant | :51:32. | :51:40. | |
he was still a danger to women and police put him | :51:41. | :51:44. | |
on a sexual risk order. In his first interview, | :51:45. | :51:46. | |
he's been telling us I asked him why he's had this sexual | :51:47. | :51:48. | |
risk order imposed upon him. This is the mystery that me and my | :51:49. | :52:04. | |
lawyers have been trying to figure out. We were amazed that the police | :52:05. | :52:12. | |
had made the application after an acquittal, a unanimous acquittal of | :52:13. | :52:16. | |
the only crime that I have ever been accused of. We think it is sour | :52:17. | :52:20. | |
grapes. They lost in court. They didn't just lose, they were | :52:21. | :52:27. | |
humiliated in court for having utterly failed to do any detective | :52:28. | :52:31. | |
work apparently. But it must have been explained to you when it was | :52:32. | :52:35. | |
served upon you? They had their reasons, but the reasons are to get | :52:36. | :52:46. | |
an SRO you need an act of a sexual nature which necessitates the risk | :52:47. | :52:52. | |
order. Now, the act on which they rely are scratching and biting | :52:53. | :52:59. | |
during sex. Consensual sex? Yes. Now, if that necessitates a sexual | :53:00. | :53:04. | |
risk order they're going to have to be writing an awful lot of sexual | :53:05. | :53:08. | |
risk orders. I would suspect the majority of the population is going | :53:09. | :53:11. | |
to be subject to a sexual risk order. The real reason is they lost | :53:12. | :53:19. | |
at trial and they're using misusing this new set of laws to effectively | :53:20. | :53:25. | |
put me on retrial for rape after an acquittal because it is the same | :53:26. | :53:29. | |
evidence. It is the same witnesses. It is just a retrial in miniature | :53:30. | :53:36. | |
and on the 19th August, I will have a trial, if I lose, for that act, I | :53:37. | :53:42. | |
become a convicted sex offender. It is utterly ridiculous. If you were | :53:43. | :53:46. | |
to disclose to the police that you were going to have sex with someone | :53:47. | :53:49. | |
24 hours later, what information would you have to give them? I have | :53:50. | :53:56. | |
to give name, address, and date of birth. Of... Of any woman that I | :53:57. | :54:00. | |
intend to have any sexual contact with. It is broader than just having | :54:01. | :54:07. | |
sex. What does it include? Oh, it is ridiculous, sexual conversation | :54:08. | :54:11. | |
would be included. Kissing is included. It's so sweeping. It is | :54:12. | :54:19. | |
ridiculous. It is so badly worded I could breach this order by accident | :54:20. | :54:22. | |
and in fact... How? That's effectively. Well, if I have a | :54:23. | :54:25. | |
sexual conversation, the police can come along and say, "Right, that's | :54:26. | :54:30. | |
sexual contact. Jail." Are you a dangerous man? No. In no respect, | :54:31. | :54:36. | |
no. I have been accused of precisely one crime in my entire 45 years and | :54:37. | :54:39. | |
I was unanimously acquitted. Sexual risk orders were introduced | :54:40. | :54:56. | |
in 2014 under the anti-social behaviour crime and policing Act. | :54:57. | :55:07. | |
Northumbria Police Commissioner Vera Baird has been familiar with them | :55:08. | :55:11. | |
since they were introduced and believes they do have a role | :55:12. | :55:14. | |
to play in protecting potential victims. | :55:15. | :55:15. | |
She's a former lawyer, and ex Labour MP and solicitor-general. | :55:16. | :55:18. | |
He has not been convicted. He has not gone to prison. It is a | :55:19. | :55:23. | |
different thing. The judge said that he was a very dangerous man. He | :55:24. | :55:27. | |
clearly has a different point of view. Possibly, we should park his | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
case because there are two sides to every one and consider the position. | :55:32. | :55:36. | |
It is only if it is necessary to make an order to protect some member | :55:37. | :55:40. | |
of the public or the public generally from sexual harm when | :55:41. | :55:45. | |
somebody has already done something of a sexual nature that such an | :55:46. | :55:49. | |
order can be made. That order has to be proven on evidence to a court and | :55:50. | :55:54. | |
it is pre-emptive. A classically, it is likely to be were somebody | :55:55. | :55:58. | |
perhaps, I mean, a typical way of sexually abusing young women is if | :55:59. | :56:04. | |
youngsters are hanging around on the street outside a coughy shop or a | :56:05. | :56:09. | |
take-away or a bar, they can be befriended and they might be taken | :56:10. | :56:13. | |
to parties where there are older men and loads of drink. If something | :56:14. | :56:18. | |
stops, which looks like the inevitable conclusion, sex to follow | :56:19. | :56:21. | |
with underage girl, if something stops t the girls get taken away and | :56:22. | :56:25. | |
put into care, a police raid, whatever, nonetheless, the court | :56:26. | :56:29. | |
might well think it is necessary not to just wait for the next set of | :56:30. | :56:34. | |
girls that are not so lucky, but to make a pre-emptive order stopping | :56:35. | :56:38. | |
men there from doing that stuff again. That's the intention. It is | :56:39. | :56:48. | |
to protect against serious serious sexual harm. It is interesting we | :56:49. | :56:52. | |
had to park the John O'Neill case and you used that example. There is | :56:53. | :56:55. | |
a role for them, briefly, there is a role for them, in this country, when | :56:56. | :57:01. | |
it comes to trying to stop potential crimes? There is a pre-emptive role | :57:02. | :57:06. | |
for them. It has got to be done on evidence. It is a new provision, but | :57:07. | :57:10. | |
it is one in a long line of orders of this kind that can stop people | :57:11. | :57:16. | |
who there is in the court's mind a necessity to stop from taking steps. | :57:17. | :57:20. | |
The police don't have to stand by and wait until the crime is | :57:21. | :57:23. | |
committed if they can prove to the court it is necessary to protect | :57:24. | :57:28. | |
somebody to prevent those steps being taken. Clearly, we don't have | :57:29. | :57:32. | |
a full picture there, are Will have been a contested hearing in court. | :57:33. | :57:36. | |
One, the judge said he was very dangerous, two, he says it was just | :57:37. | :57:40. | |
sour grapes from the police, he can appeal against it if that was the | :57:41. | :57:44. | |
situation. If you park that and consider the consider obviously, it | :57:45. | :57:48. | |
is helpful for the police to manage such people and helpful for us not | :57:49. | :57:53. | |
to have vulnerable people put at risk because no crime has been | :57:54. | :57:57. | |
committed even though somebody may have been two-thirds of the way | :57:58. | :58:00. | |
towards T More on the breaking news that three people have been shot | :58:01. | :58:03. | |
this Lincolnshire. Richard Galpin tell us what you know? The police | :58:04. | :58:08. | |
are saying three people have been killed. Firearms used. The gunman | :58:09. | :58:14. | |
apparently was one of those who has been killed. This was in Spald in | :58:15. | :58:18. | |
Lincolnshire. Near a swimming pool there. One of the key things is that | :58:19. | :58:23. | |
the police are saying that they, there is no indication at the moment | :58:24. | :58:27. | |
that this was a terrorist relatedence dent. And the police | :58:28. | :58:30. | |
themselves did not actually open fire. They're urging members of the | :58:31. | :58:35. | |
public to stay away for the time being. Thank you very much, Richard | :58:36. | :58:38. | |
Galpin reporting. More, of course, throughout the day on BBC News. | :58:39. | :58:41. | |
I'm still worried that, in the time you've been away, | :58:42. | :58:46. | |
you've never resolved that anger, that... | :58:47. | :58:49. | |
that chaos inside you, that need for destruction. | :58:50. | :58:53. |