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I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.


This morning, strikes, delays and cancellations.


Southern rail commuters tell us their view on the operator


I get up early to get the overground or the bus, it takes a lot longer.


Today marks the first of six days of strikes


by Southern rail this month, so what's the solution?


Do get in touch with us throughout the programme.


Also today, in an exclusive interview Nicole Kidman tells us why


she wants more children at the age of 49, but her husband


When people talk about regrets, do I have regrets? I wish I had more


children. My husband tells me to shut it down. I would have liked to


or three more. I love children. And, her film Lion has just received


five Bafta nominations, but La La Land, a film


about a Hollywood musical, What? Come on! The TV show, the one


I was telling you about. Congratulations, that's a credible!


I feel like I said negative stuff about it before. It is like Rebel


without a cause. I got the bullets! As you'd expect, we'll bring


you the latest breaking news Stay tuned for some fascinating


footage of chimpanzees which appears to show them developing tools


to help them drink water. If you're getting in touch,


use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE. Jeremy Corbyn is to explain Labour's


approach to Brexit and immigration. In a speech later, he'll say


for the first time that he's not "wedded" to the principle of free


movement of people, and he'll argue that the UK can't afford to lose


full access to the single market, as many British jobs


and businesses depend on it. Why the change of heart from Jeremy


Corbyn? What we get today is the Jeremy Corbyn reboot, relaunch, at


the start of the year, trying to present a different sort of


leadership and a different approach to Brexit. He has been out and about


this morning, doing a round of media interviews, something which he has


been conspicuously avoiding to date, and it has been an attempt to put


him on the front foot and on Brexit he says that Brexit could be good


for Britain, we could be better off if we left the EU, and on freedom of


movement, that issue which he is conspicuously defending to date, he


says they are not wedded to it, and there may have to be restrictions as


part of the negotiations. And that Labour is open-minded about that.


But more than that, from a clear blue sky, he has also announced this


morning that he is in favour of a maximum earnings cap. In other


words, people can only earn so much money, and that is it. This is his


attempt to present himself as the populist leader, willing to take on


the wealthy, the establishment, the bankers, saying you can earn so much


and no more. This is what he said on Radio 4.


We have the worst levels of income disparity of most of the OECD


countries in this country. It is getting worse. Corporate taxation is


a part of it. If we want to live in a more it at every and society and


fund our public services, we cannot go on creating worst levels of


inequality. There should be a law to limit income? I think let's look at


it. You have got a view on it. Tell us what it is. What I want to see...


To get the figure, a law to limit maximum earnings? I would like to


see it, I think it would be a fairer thing to do. We cannot set ourselves


up as being a grossly unequal, bargain basement economy on the


shores of Europe. We have to be something that is more a gal at


every, gives real opportunities to everybody, and properly funds our


services. Look at the crisis in the NHS as an example.


That is massive. Any reaction so far? I rang one of his press people.


I said, what is that? There was a silence on the other end of the


phone. She said, I will get back to you. I think Jeremy Corbyn has


caught his own party, his own people, off-guard, nobody knew he


would stay that. I cannot think of any other Labour politician ever


calling for a maximum earnings cap. That says that you can earn so much,


and that is it. The state is taking the lot. How would that work? I


presume in the City of London, if there was a cap, presumably half the


banks, half the bankers would just disappear. It is an extraordinary


policy. But maybe his calculation is, never mind the froth in the


Westminster village, never mind the outrage, it could be popular, people


might think, why should people earn more than ?1 million? Why should


there not be a cap? That is what he is trying to do, to present himself,


like Donald Trump, of the anti-establishment politician, the


person prepared to tell it as it is, even if, within the Westminster


village, it seemed like an extraordinary idea.


More reaction to come. Wherever you are, let me know. Would you back a


maximum earnings cap? What would be cap the? A million? Half a million?


Is it popular with you? We will talk to some Labour MPs later, we will


feed your thoughts into that conversation. You can e-mail us or


send me a tweet. Joanna is in the BBC


Newsroom with a summary Commuters on Southern rail


are facing the first of three days of strikes by train


drivers this week. The dispute about the role


of the guard on trains has been It is a dispute which has been


crippling London's train You have to get up early to go


underground or get a bus. I am abandoning going


into town tomorrow. We will see how things


go later in the week. I have managed to get a train


but it is not good at all. It seems talks between the two


sides have turned nasty. The tactics they have used


have been malicious. At best they have been dishonest,


disingenuous, deceitful, Our reality is that we are now


experiencing a new type of industrial relations


in our industry that we have It's a row over the role


of the on-board guard. Southern wants drivers to take over


the safety-critical job But the union says


the guard should do it. A report by the regulator says


Southern's plans were safe as long as they provided the right


equipment and training. All of the 2,000-plus


services in the company will be cancelled today,


tomorrow and Friday. There'll be huge disruption


on Thursday too because the trains And that's on top of an overtime ban


which is cutting services daily. Another three-day strike


is planned later this month. The issue of driver-controlled


trains is affecting Southern today, but it could easily spread to other


franchises through Britain. Our correspondent Duncan Kennedy


is at Horsham station in West Sussex How are things their? Terrible, as


right across the region, Kent, Sussex, Surrey and parts of


Hampshire, 300,000 travel journeys should be made today, it is zero at


the moment. Normally we would have five or 10,000 commuters coming


through here in the rush hour. I will show you what is going on


inside. A completely empty concourse. It is like that across


all the stations on Southern railways. The different from last


month's strikes, Southern and National Express are putting on


coaches and buses to get a few people around, but it is very


patchy, only 200 buses. Just to get people a few miles down the track.


To recap, it is all about who opened the doors. Is it these drivers? They


say it should not be them. It is just not safe for them to do so.


They say it should be the guard. But Southern say it is proven that it is


OK for the drivers to do it, there is a lot of evidence to say it is


safe, and that the guards can be better used on the train, looking


after passengers. I cannot come together. No talks planned. Onwards


and upwards for the misery for these tens of thousands of commuters.


And in a few minutes' time Victoria will be talking to commuters


who use the service, both supporting and against


the strikes, about how the dispute can be resolved.


A 15-year-old girl is being questioned by police


in York after the death of a seven-year-old girl.


The younger girl was found with life-threatening injuries


in the Woodthorpe area of the city yesterday afternoon.


She was taken to hospital but died a short time later.


The teenager remains in police custody.


The British and Irish Governments say they're going to work


to try to find a solution to the most-serious political crisis


Yesterday, the Deputy First Minister, Sinn Fein's Martin


It came after weeks of tension between his party and its partners


in the power-sharing Government, the Democratic Unionists.


Northern Ireland Secretary James Brokenshire is expected to make


Boris Johnson, who's visiting Washington,


says he's confident Britain will be first in line for a trade deal


The Foreign Secretary has been meeting senior


Republican politicians, who've promised to make a US-UK


Barack Obama warned in April that the UK would be at the back


Concerns have been raised about the care of transgender


prisoners, following four deaths in just over a year at jails


A report from the Prisons and Probation Ombudsman says prison


staff and managers need to be more proactive and flexible in the way


they deal with inmates who've changed their birth gender,


The Ministry of Justice says it has revised its guidance so prisoners


are dealt with according to the gender they identify with.


Drivers caught offending on so-called "smart motorways"


could be offered re-education lessons by the police.


Smart motorways operate variable speed limits and can open the hard


But the national police lead for roads says many motorists


are becoming confused about when they're allowed to drive


Figures obtained by the BBC suggest an 18% rise in the number of people


caught using the hard shoulder illegally over the last two years.


The US owners of the messaging app Snapchat are to set up


a new international headquarters in the UK.


Snap Inc currently has 75 staff at its office in London


It says the UK's strong creative industries made it "a great place


The move is seen as a positive in the technology sector,


as the likes of Facebook and Google have based themselves in Ireland,


The Hollywood musical La La Land leads nominations


for this year's Baftas, with 11 nods, including Best Film.


Its stars Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone are also up


for Best Actor and Actress, just a day after winning


British actors Andrew Garfield, Emily Blunt and Hugh Grant are also


nominated, as is British state-welfare drama I, Daniel Blake.


The ceremony takes place on February 12th in London.


That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 9:30am.


We are hoping to talk to Ken Loach in the next hour. We will also talk


to the chair of BAFTA. And we have an exclusive interview with Nicole


Kidman, her film has been nominated for five awards, including herself


for best supporting actress. To get in touch.


If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.


Jackie says, it is about time the RMT and Aslef will help to account


for the radical restriction -- disruption for the passages. They


would then think again before calling strike action. We will talk


to commuters and people with a point of view on this latest strike


action. We will talk to them in the next five minutes or so.


Let's get some sport now with Jessica.


Fifa are voting on whether to expand the number of teams


Yes, it looks as though it will be voted in by football's world


So, from 2026, there'll be a bigger World Cup.


Some have raised their eyebrows, though.


There are concerns about whether this will dilute


The chief exec of the FA Martin Glenn says they'd prefer


Germany, who won the World Cup in 2014, have said that it


could create a greater imbalance between teams.


There's also questions about increased revenue.


From their own research, Fifa say they'll potentially make


an extra ?520 million from this expansion, how much has that


This isn't lost on Fifa president Gianni Infantino,


who's acknowledged the financial benefits of the expansion,


but he insists that football needs to be more inclusive,


and this will develop football around the world.


Indeed, for smaller nations it could lead to the incredible


scenes we witnessed at the European


The likes of Wales, who went on a run all the way


And Iceland, a nation of just over 300,000,


beating England on their way to the quarter-finals.


That's exactly what an expansion could provide, the chance to dream.


Particularly for African and Asian countries,


who are expected to get the bulk of the 16 extra places.


Let me ask you about cycling's governing body because they have


given athletes seven weeks to prepare for the schooling World


Championships? Just under two months for a World Championships. It gets


underway on 2nd March in Los Angeles and it is the second time they will


be held in the season following a Paralympics. The president of the


governing body says the move signifies notable progress and


believes it will enrich the para-cycling calendar as the UCI


plan on organising this event every year, but a strong reaction from


British para cyclist, Yeoedy Cundy. He wrote on Twitter, "Why do the UCI


think it is acceptable to give seven weeks official notice of a


championships?" Are they expecting anyone to turn up.


Strong reaction there, Victoria. I will have more at 10am. Thank you


very much, Jess. Jess will be back later. This is the reaction from you


to the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, suggestion on the radio this morning


of a maximum salary cap, legislation to introduce a maximum salary. Puck


e-mails, "We, I would support the introduction of a maximum limit of


say ?1 million. Another viewer tweets, "Hearing Jeremy Corbyn's


new-found views on Brexit, I was worried he had become voteable and


then I heard about his maximum earnings cap." Another viewer says,


"Just tax accordingly." A another tweet says, "It is a great idea."


More reaction to come on the programme as you would expect.


Another day of strike action is affecting hundreds


Today it's the turn of Southern Rail to strike again.


Drivers belonging to the ASLEF union have begun their first


of six day-long stoppages planned for January.


It follows previous strikes in the run up to Christmas.


Only 16 trains will run today instead of the usual 2,242.


They're striking in a row over who should push the button to open


and close the train doors - drivers or guards.


Separately, British Airways cabin crew are also striking


today in a row over pay, although BA say the effects


So this morning, if you're a commuter affected by the latest


Or is it time for tougher legislation to make it harder


With us a group of Southern Rail commuters who say they're


constantly met with delays, cancellations and


Becky Wright is the Director of Unions21 who feels


strike legislation is more than robust enough and Conservative


MP for Havant, Alan Mak who feels there is room to strengthen the law


Welcome all of you. I want to hear your commuter stories first of all.


Why don't you begin, Alison. Good morning. I travel in from Crawley


into Victoria and then up to Green Park. I work just opposite the Ritz.


Southern, it was a nightmare before the strikes. Now, it's just


fundamentally worse. I'm quite fortunate in the fact that I work


for a company that is very understanding and accommodating so


at the moment, you know, they are quite understand the problems that


we face, but how much longer that will be the case? My job is in


London. So, you know, there is only so much they will accommodate before


they will start kind of thinking well, maybe we should consider...


Find someone who lives nearer or doesn't have to use Southern Rail to


get to work. Emma, what about your experience? Mine is different. I


travel south into Victoria, all into London Bridge and I'm freelance and


I teach ballet. I have to be there. The doors open for students and they


need to be able to access. There is a priority to get there and I have


family at home. I have a five-year-old and a seven-year-old.


What I'm upset with the fact that this is affecting them. In what way?


They are noticing my absence. Normally I would leave briefly


before they go to school and I'm back afterwards, that precious time


that you have with them in the morning and the evening is getting


shorter and shorter and they are starting to get upset. That's


because you're late back? Yes, I get in and they are already ready for


bed and we've lost that time together and I worry, I have to pay


for so many taxis just to ensure that I'll get to their show or a


parents evening and for my work, because I'm freelance, if I'm not


there then they will hire somebody else next time and I'm paying out to


make sure I get there. Absolutely. So it is a catch 22. I come in from


East Croydon. The reason I moved there because the journey to


Victoria should take 16 minutes, but my journey is taking an hour and 20


or an hour-and-a-half. It is not necessarily the cancelled trains or


the delays that are the problem, it is the fact that if one train gets


cancelled you have got a platform of thousands of people so you're having


to let two or three go because of overcrowding. I work somewhere


that's flexible, buttant don't know how much longer the flexibility will


last really. People are cross about the disruption. And perhaps, think


maybe the strike legislation should be toughened even further. The


Conservatives have already raised the threshold when it comes to


public sector industrial ballots. What's your view on that? I think we


have some of the toughest legislation in any kind of western


democracy. We're not France, we can't just decide one moment we're


going to walk out. There was a lengthy legislative procedure before


the Government decided to enact the Trade Union Bill. It costs money. No


union goes into, no workers go into a strike without due consideration


because it takes a lot of effort, it takes people's pay. It affects


customers. It affects passengers. And so if you're going to go through


this process, there has to be a really good reason why that happens


and because we already have strong legislation, we had strong


legislation before, I don't see the need for us to continue to change.


As a Conservative MP, is the legislation strong enough? Do you


look at this ongoing strike action and think maybe there is more we can


do? The strikes are causing massive disruption to people's working lives


and their family lives. The priority is to get the unions to call off the


strikes and get people back to work and to their families and then we


will look at how we can protect the infrastructure and accept the trains


are safe. No one is losing their jobs. No one is taking a pay cut and


get our trains running again. I mean there is a big dispute over whether


a train is safer if a driver, using big mirrors, can actually see


properly down a very long platform, sometimes with ten or 11 carriages,


whether he or she is in the right position to be able to close the


doors and know that customers are safe? Yeah, well safety is very


important and the independent Office of Rail Regulation has said on


Thursday that it is safe. It is not just mirrors, it is using CCTV so


they can see the whole length of the train. We can make sure that the


driver is seeing the length of the train. It is common sense. If


someone is stuck in the doors or there is a problem, the driver can


stop the train and do something about it, the conductors can't do


anything about it. What we want is the driver to take control of the


safety... The point is the conductor would be on the platform and would


have a perfect view of whether anybody is trying to get on at the


last minute? The independent regulator made sure it is safe. The


driver has a good view and where there is recommendations for


lighting at stations we have asked the operator to make sure that's


implemented. What is important is the driver has control of the train


and if there are any problems they can stop it. The on board


supervisor, the guard, can help passengers with luggage and journey


times and travel with tickets and all that stuff, really Passenger


Focussed. No one is losing their job. No one is getting a pay cut and


it is safe. It is really unsafe, isn't it? There is a new form of


train rage out there and I have seen, there was an 11-year-old boy


trying to get to school and he couldn't get on. Everyone is out for


themselves because nobody wants to lose their job because you can hear


the desperateness in people's voice. It is no longer please move down. It


is, "Please let me get on the train." This poor lad is running up


and down and he probably only needed to go two stops. He knew his journey


and he is there by himself. It is not safe.


If that kid was actually stuck in the door, the conductor can't do


anything about it and the train could drive. Under the new system,


the driver can see that kid, stop the train and sort out the problem.


That's why it is safe. As someone who uses the trains all the time


with young kids, if I'm at the end of the train, how long does it take


the train driver to do that and the disruption... He could stop the


doors closing. Nick says, "I am a train driver. There can be no doubt


that 12 carriage driver-only operated trains are not safe. I fear


the day people die at my hands because I have to carry out other


duties so as to not go to prison for manslaughter and on that day, I


shall be wishing that we had a guard on every single train whether one or


12 carriages. The Government's stance is an outrage and they hide


behind Govia. The fact that they do that is disgusting. We should be


supporting railways when the time of modernising is a lie. The on board


supervisors will be likely made redundant in 2021." The guards are


dealing with passengers and the driver takes control of safety. We


have to remember the trains are operating on 30% of trains across


the whole of the k and they have been used in the UK for the last 30


years. They are on the Underground and the Thames Docklands Light


Railway. I trust the views of a train driver, somebody who does the


job every day. There is an element of theory and practise and I think


comparing the Tube trains with something like Southern Rail or even


comparing it with Virgin East Coast is like comparing apples and


oranges. Yes, they are all fruit, but different trains and there are


different ways of doing things. You can't do that. Martin has just


arrived. He is another commuter. Hi Martin, welcome. Better late than


neverment thank you for making the effort. There is a lot of traffic on


the road. I understand there is a rail strike! Tell our audience where


you stand on the strike as a commuter? I live in west Sussex. My


line is Southern cap rail. I am self-employed so I can choose. I'm


not risk my job, but I'm certainly missing a lot of appointments. Do


you back the strikes? I do. Do you? Yes. When I used to work in Local


Government we had a customer focus policy and the point was you didn't


think what the customer might want. You actually found out what the


customer might want and what I want from trains is reliability and


safety. And I want my train driver to drive the train. I don't want him


worrying about what's going on 12 coaches behind. Let's ask all of you


that. First of all, do you back the strikes? I do back them. I


understand why they're doing it, but it has been going on, I haven't got


on a train on time since last Christmas. Christmas 2015? You're


kidding me. I live only eight miles outside of London. That's to do with


Southern... That's general. I agree with the safety end of it. You


Alison? The safety aspect, yes. What about the strike? I'm 50/50. I used


to, I was 100% behind the strike and I understood the reasons for it.


Now, being a commuter and being at the kind of front end of that, on a


daily basis, and knowing that some days my journey, I can stand at


Victoria and just think oh my god how am I going to get home? Because


there are no trains because they've cancelled god knows how many


beforehand. There are thousands of people trying to get on to one train


and it is dangerous. Now, when you talk about safety, that for me, is a


major concern that the strikes are causing huge safety issues on


platforms. That's really interesting. Emma, do you back the


strikes? No. I just think there should be another way. So now, let's


try and come up with a solution. Clearly, we're not going to achieve


that in two or three minutes on national television continue o


Tuesday morning, but let's have a goment you said we need to get the


two sides around the table. Clearly, everybody knows that. What else


needs to happen? Well, we need to get them around the table. Yes. Yes.


Yes. But for the unions to accept that the trains are safe and their


members are working in a highly paid environment. Is that not an


adversarial way to go about it? That's why we are not proposing to


change the strike laws and trying to get Alison and Emma and Martin and


other colleagues back to work. Negotiations don't work like that in


the real world. The two sides don't come together and say, "I'm giving


in." That's how negotiations work. We have had negotiations... No, it


is about compromise, isn't it? That is not how a relationship


works. People come together, they try to find common ground. Sometimes


they disagree, sometimes they agree. What would you suggest? There has


got to be a third way somewhere. The obvious thing is people, round the


table and converts and listen more than talk. But in the end, there


needs to be a third suggestion. Something that does a bit for both


sides, so that neither gives away totally, but they both give a


little. What might that be? I have just got out of a traffic jam! You


have done very well. They could trial it on quieter services, to get


the drivers who backing. If they drove on a quieter service and they


were still scared and did not feel they had the safety of the train,


pull it, but if they could give it a go, just to see if there was a happy


ground... Could they keep the guard on the 12 carriage train in rush


hour? In the middle of the day, there is often not 12 carriages,


very often four, you do not need it on four, surely. I would go with


that as well, I would be happy to see them trial it on quieter


services, not at peak rush-hour. I went to the BBC debate in East


Grinstead on Sunday. I watched the CEO of Govia and the RMT die. 'S the


RMT guy. There is a lot of trust that has gone between those two.


There needs to be a relationship, and they need to be able to trust


each other to compromise, and at the moment they are poles apart. Let me


read some more comment. Ethan says, keep the guard, who else will keep


the drunks at bay when you are travelling with your young children?


Michael says, it is unclear, what do both sides want? Every report you


run gives a different view from both sides, and your reporters. Duncan


Kennedy says there will be two people on the train, but why is that


not acceptable? Why can't the second person work the doors, as is


currently the situation? I am confused. Thank you. Good luck.


Still to come, in the past hour, the nominations for this year's


Andrew Garfield and Emily Blunt are up for Best Acting awards,


as are the stars of La La Land, Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone.


Nicole Kidman has just been nominated for a Best Supporting


Actress Bafta for her role in the film Lion.


We speak to her about her film and a range of other topics.


She says she wants more children, even though she is 49.


Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.


Jeremy Corbyn has good size of the gap between high income earners and


the lowest paid, saying that a cap on earnings might produce a more


eager let Aryan society. Speaking to BBC Radio


4's Today programme, Mr Corbyn said he thought


introducing the limit would be There should be a law


to limit income? Forget a figure, a law


to limit maximum earnings? I would like to see it, I think it


would be a fairer thing to do. Commuters on Southern rail


are facing the first of three days of strikes by train


drivers this week. It's the latest industrial action


in the dispute over plans for drivers to open and close doors,


which has been going Drivers will walk out today,


tomorrow and on Friday. Southern has urged the Aslef


union to get back around A 15-year-old girl is being


questioned by police in York after the death of a seven-year-old girl.


The younger girl had life-threatening injuries is today


afternoon. She was taken to hospital but died a short time later.


That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 10am.


It looks as though we'll be seeing more teams involved


Fifa are expected to agree plans later to expand the finals


from 32 teams to 48 teams, starting from the 2026 World Cup.


There'd be 16 groups of three, and then a straight knockout stage.


Claudio Ranieri has won Fifa's first Coach of the Year award.


The Leicester City manager was in Zurich to pick up the title,


recognition of his achievement in leading the 5,000-1 shots


to the Premier League title last season.


Championship side Leeds United came from behind to beat


League Two Cambridge United to reach the fourth round of


They'll go to either non-league Sutton United or AFC Wimbledon next.


League Two Wycombe have a dream tie away


And, Johanna Konta's preparations for the Australian Open


The British number one has reached the third


round of the Sydney International with a comfortable straight-sets win


This morning, in an exclusive interview with this programme,


Nicole Kidman tells this programme she'd like more kids


at the age of 49, but her husband won't let her.


She's just been nominated for a Best Supporting Actress Bafta


for her role in the film Lion, which tells the true story


of a young boy who gets lost in India and ends up being adopted


The film also gets four other nominations.


In a wide-ranging interview, Nicole Kidman also talks


about ageism and US President-elect Donald Trump.


But we start by talking about her film.


It is a true story, which I think is always important to say,


because it's about an Indian boy who gets lost in India


from his mother and his brother, and then it's about an Australian


family who adopts him and his journey, which is extraordinary,


to then finding his biological mother back in India.


How every day my real brother screams my name?


I always thought that I could keep this family together.


What if you do find home and they are not even there?


It's deeply emotional, as people will tell you,


as you know, but it's also really uplifting, because what he does


and what he overcomes and what even Sue, the character I play,


does, through sheer determination, all of the stories are about


It shows you some of the truths of adoption.


But it also shows you the strength of good parenting.


And it shows you that when you really set your sights


on something, you can sometimes overcome enormous odds


And you spent time with the real Sue Brierley, didn't you?


How important was that in playing her?


I mean, I just said to Garth Davis, who is the director, I said,


when he asked me to play the role and she wanted me to play her,


I said, "Would she be open to me meeting her?"


And he went, "No, she wants to meet you and share her story."


First of all, I sent a friend of mine who'd


interviewed her for two days, because I didn't want her to feel


too strange with me asking a load of questions,


And then she came to Sydney and sat in my apartment


and we just kind of went, "Phew."


She's deeply maternal, as you can see in the film,


and I'm deeply maternal, too, so I think we come together.


As I understand it, she wanted you to play her.


Presumably because you have four children, two of whom are adopted?


Yeah, and also I think being Australian, you know,


She sort of knew me in a much deeper way than probably people


And I think she just felt close to me, which is a very unusual


thing, and it's unusual when you meet the person you're


playing and you do have that sort of connection when you go,


"Gosh, I want you to stay in my life for as long as you're willing."


I think what's really clear from the film for anybody


who didn't realise it already, is that an adoptive mother's love


for a child and a birth mother's love for that same child


And I think when it's shown in a film with such warmth


and openness and compassion, I think that's a beautiful


Probably because I'm so connected to it.


And I think it's so succinctly put by the writer, Luke Davies,


when she holds his face in the film when he's about to go


And Sue, my character, says, "I just can't wait for her to see


And she sends him on his way with that, which is the truth.


She wanted his biological mother to know she'd kept him safe.


That he was a beautiful human being, and here he is,


You describe the film as they love letter to Bella and Connor,


It's a love letter in terms of me as a mother to my children,


but then to other mothers and children, too, because it's


meant to connect on that level, because it's rare that we get


The unconditional love, that no matter where you go,


what you do, what your journey is, I'm always here, come,


You have two younger ones and two older ones in their 20s.


As young adults, how proud are you of the way


I find it attached to success or ego or anything.


Because I think the loveliest thing you can say to a child is,


"I'm just happy you're in the world."


"Because you're in the world, I'm happy."


When I look at some of your other films,


Dead Calm, Moulin Rouge, The Hours, and the countless


awards you have won, you still say you don't think you've


I mean the word great, you know, I'm talking


about the performances that are up here.


I think I've given really good performances.


I still don't think I've given my best performance,


But do you think you've got that in you, it still to come?


I think I've got an enormous amount still to say and do and be.


Which is a wonderful thing at my age, to still feel that.


Because I think sometimes that wanes as you get older


I read something recently that Isabel Huppert had said.


Where she said, "I'm an actress in my fingernails, in my toes."


Do you think Hollywood has got a problem with decent roles


Female actors in their 40s and upwards?


I mean, that's such a loaded question.


Probably not, but now there is so much more available


to us in terms of globally - working in TV, working in film.


I think we are in a position where we can create our own shows.


I just did that with Reese Witherspoon, where we have


done a show called Big Little Lies and five of the roles


are for women and three of them are for women over 40.


I'm in a very fortunate position where I have really


interesting directors offering me different things.


But, you know, our job now as females in this industry


is to push through and try to blur those boundaries.


We've got incredible trailblazers in terms of Huppert and Meryl Streep


and Sarandon and Jessica Lange and all of these women who...


All of these women who, before us, have carved paths that


are defying the norm, from what it was, say, 30 years ago.


You said, "We need to create more opportunities, it is not


But from what you've said, you haven't experienced


I think I'm in the position now where it's kind


And there are so many more roles available,


partly because of the way in which the industry's


We have HBO and Netflix and Amazon and all of these mediums that


are now very different to just going to the theatre


Later in the programme we'll bring you the second


part of that interview, where she talks about her desire


for more babies, aged 49, the secret to her successful


marriage and why she thinks America should be getting


And Lion, which has just received five Bafta nominations,


Other Bafta nominees include British stars Andrew Garfield


and Emily Blunt in the Best Actor category, but La La Land,


a musical set in Los Angeles, leads the field with 11 nominations.


Alien drama Arrival and dark thriller Nocturnal Animals get


nine nominations each, and Ken Loach's British social


drama I, Daniel Blake gets five nominations.


Let's look at some of the nominations.


# City of stars, are you shining just for me?


# City of stars, there's so much that I can't see.


# Who knows, is this the start of something wonderful?


If you've been deemed fit for work, your only option


I've never been anywhere near a computer.


You need to run the mouse up the screen.


I'm going to have to ask you to leave.


I'm trying to explain to you a situation,


Do you know what - you've created a scene.


What was I supposed to do? Jesus Christ!


Who's first in this queue? I am.


Do you mind if this young lass signs on first?


This isn't your concern. I want you to get out as well.


Let's talk to Jane Lush, she's the new chair of Bafta.


What it is about La La Land that has meant it's captured


It is the members of BAFTA that vote, it is not judges, it is a vote


by industry peers if you like, but I think it's a joyous film and these


are quite grim times and we've got a lot of gritty films in the line up,


but I Thailand land stands out because it's a musical. A proper


musical where people sing and dance. The opening sequence famously on a


motorway. Ryan Gosling learnt to play the piano. And pretty well. I


gather pretty well. It is a love story and it's about Los Angeles and


it is La La Land. So it is about the madness of Los Angeles. So it makes


you smile. It is a very heart warming film. It is also a very


beautiful film. It makes Los Angeles look gorgeous which obviously the


voters over in America love that too, don't they? Yes. British stars


Andrew Garfield, Emily Blunt and Hugh Grant have been nominated for


Best Acting Award. It sounds parochial when we talk about British


talent, but that's great news? Andrew Garfield, that's not a


British film and in the supporting nominations, Aaron Taylor-Johnson


playing an American, a very grim part. So, of course, it is great


news. We're the British Academy, we want to celebrate British success.


BAFTA promised better diversity. There are no nominations for Best


Actor. Why? There are four nominations for nonwhite actors in


Best Supporting Actor and actress. I'm talking about the leading actor


categories? There is a lot of competition. Who knows what number


six would have been, maybe Denzil Washington. There is a lot of


competition, but we're making progress. Nobody would say the


situation is perfect on diversity, it is not. But it is something


that's important to BAFTA and important to me. Is it? Is that your


explanation then - there is a lot of competition? There is and inevitably


in any category there are going to be people, performers or crafts


people or whoever it is, but there is a positive story. Moonlight which


is a film about gay, young black men in Miami, that's, you know, that's


quite quite a tough subject. That is up there, nominated for Best Film.


As is, if you're talking, we're interested in diversity in the


broadest sense, you have got Notes On Blindness. A film about a blind


man. I think we should focus on the achievements and recognise that


there is a way to go. Yes. Again, a look at the directors list. No


female directors have been nominated. Is that because they're


not producing enough films? There is no question there are not enough


female directors. Kathryn Bigelow is the only female director to have won


an Oscar. That's pretty shabby. What is the reason why there are not more


female detectivors in the industry? But I think it will change. You have


got to be optimistic and I think it will change because there is an


awareness and until there is an awareness and people out there who


are actively trying to change things, things will change and they


are changing. A quick thought on the spat between Meryl and Donald Trump?


Well, it's kept us all full of column inches. Meryl had a platform


and she wanted to use it. That's her right. He has got a platform... He


is clearly not shy. Fifa has approved the expansion of


the World Cup from 32 to 48 teams in time for 2026 competition. The extra


places could see African and Asian nations benefiting the most. But


critics say whilst it will help make the World Cup larger and richer, the


price is going to be lower quality football.


Let's get reaction from former England captain, Terry Butcher.


Paul Goodwin is the co-founder of the Scottish football


Supporters Association - a bigger World Cup could mean it'll


Garford Beck is the manager of England Fans FC.


Gina West, the founder of Women's Soccer United.


Welcome all of you. Terry Butcher, you were sceptical about this. Now


it is happening, what do you say? Well, I think what they've done Fifa


s have a look at Uefa and had a look at the European Championships when


every became a must win game. What they have had in the past in World


Cups they have had groups of four and in the last couple of games,


look at England's game, England were out of the World Cup. So they are


trying to avoid that, you think and trying to make it more expansive and


trying to get more teams in, but my worry is if they go to groups of


three, I played in 1982 and there was a group of three and it was


really weird and it may introduce more penalty shoot-outs in the


qualifying shainltion rather than the knock-out -- stages rather than


the knock-out stages. The rounds that would have ensured that other


countries progressed. So that might be all right? Well, it is good TV


and not good for the countries and the players. I find it bizarre that


a country will qualify and play two matches and pack their bags and go


home. It is a great event and what they are trying to do is make it


more interesting, but there are certain ways where you can do that


and have groups of four and try and make sure that countries go there


and have at least three matches. Paul, as a Scotland supporter, tell


Terry Butcher what you think about an expanded World Cup. I think it is


good for Scotland because there is more places and there is more chance


that we might qualify, but as Terry knows, there is a lot more other


things that need to happen in Scotland before we will qualify. I


mean, I think the big picture this is all about Fifa getting more money


into the system. Where that money goes and how it is attributed to the


smaller nations would be the interest that we would have in it,


but undoubtedly, it is a bigger political game here that's going on


here at Fifa. Gina the Women's World Cup expanded from 16 to 24 teams.


What do you think about expanding the men's World Cup to 48? I can see


both sides of the argument. I think that it is a positive thing if there


is an incentive to get more people involved in the World Cup, to


develop the game worldwide. That's a positive. I am concerned about how


the format will work. Whether there will be a lot of one-sided fixtures


which happens in the women's game when you get different standards


qualifying. I mean, there will be, sorry to bring Terry back in, there


will be more one-sided fixtures, won't there? Yeah, there will be and


having played before in the format with three teams especially, it


depends what your sequence of games are. You could sit out the last game


and watch your fate be decided by other teams. It is quite bizarre in


many aspects. When you look at the amount of teams that Europe has in


the World Cup, it is 13 at the moment, they try and expand it to


16, it doesn't mean that Scotland will find it easier to qualify.


Sorry, back to Gina... For me, it is mainly about the money side. That's


all I can really point it down to. Sorry Gina, carry on. No, I was


going to say, if that's the motive and it isn't financially motivated


then obviously that's better. I mean, I've got the women's


prospective. Our funding is absolutely on a different level. I


think, actually, increasing the team would be more beneficial to the


women's game at the moment rather than the machine's game. Like you


said we've only just increased to 24 from 16 so we're still below what


the standard men's was and the women's team would benefit more from


the global stage. They get moreks posure. It is so hard for women's


football. So the World Cup is important. So the more teams that


can get involved in it. Let me bring in an England supporter. How would a


bigger World Cup affect England's chances of qualifying? It won't


affect it because the qualification process normally a piece of cake. It


is normally a walk in the park, but desite what has been said and our


friend from Scotland, they would welcome this because it gives them a


good chance of qualifying, but there is a lot of things that need to


change in Scottish football before they can even think about


qualification. But as Terry said, it is about money, but it is all about


money and politics. This is all about Fifa swelling their coffers


and it is about Infantino shoring up his vote. He is the new president.


It is about him shoring up his votes in Africa and Asia for the next time


he stands for election. From a fans point of view, how would an expanded


World Cup, what would it be like for you? World Cups are great to attend.


They're fantastic, but they are hard work as well for supporters, but


they're saying they're not going to expand the time. It will be done


within the six-week period, but an expanded World Cup, it will be


bloated and with that you lose the prestige and the sense of occasion.


I think that the quality of football will suffer. Right. For sure. We


will see. It is 2026. We might not be around by then! Hopefully


Scotland will qualify. By then, it is 20 years. We're lot laughing at


the expanse of Scottish football, absolutely not. Thank you for coming


on the programme. Next, we're going to show you some


absolutely fascinating footage which shows chimpanzees


in the Ivory Coast effectively entering the stone age -


by making unique tools to help Now the weather. Here is Carol, it


is getting colder. It is getting colder, Victoria is


right. Some of us will see some snow. Even at lower levels, but the


snow is not going to be everywhere. So let's take a look first of all at


today's weather forecast. What we have is a bright start in the east


with sunshine. Variable amounts of cloud. Some showers, but a weather


front coming in from the west will introduce rain. The rain is not


particularly heavy and as the whole system drifts towards the east, if


anything, the rain will become patchier and more drizzly. By the


afternoon it will well and truly have cleared Northern Ireland.


Bright skies and variable amounts of cloud and still a few showers across


Western Scotland, but a lot of dry weather across Scotland, although in


the Northern Isles, under the influence of the weather front,


there will be patchy rain. We're looking at some of that rain across


north-west England, getting into the Pennines, the cloud building ahead


of it, but as we come into Lincolnshire, much of East Anglia,


down into the South East, although yes, there will be cloud around,


equally some of us will see sunshine. Drifting further westwards


under the influence of the weather front once again, we're back into


the cloud and some spots of rain and into Wales, very similar story.


Again, a fair amount of cloud at times with the remnants of that


weather front. Now, through the course of the evening and overnight,


that clears altogether. We will see snow coming in on the mountains and


hills of Scotland. But the wind will be a notable feature of the weather.


Anywhere from North Wales, the North Midlands and the Wash, severe across


the far north of Scotland, but across the southern uplands and the


Pennines, we could have gusts up to 70mph. That could affect the higher


routes on the M62. Not just tonight, but tomorrow. If you're travelling


bear that in mind. Now, tomorrow, another very windy day. The same


areas looking at gusty conditions. It will be atrocious on the


mountains of Scotland because we will be seeing snow falling, but at


lower levels we could wintriness. It will feel cold if you're exposed to


the wind. Thursday, as you can tell from the squeeze in the isobars


further north, it will be a windy day. We've got this next system


coming in from the south-west. This really has been giving us a headache


as to how far north it does travel and that's a salient point of the


forecast because as it engages with the cold air, some of it will fall


as sleet or snow. At the moment, we think it's South Wales and parts of


Southern England and it is just on the leading edge that we will see


some of that sleet and snow. North of that, a lot of dry weather, but


snow showers at low levels across parts of Scotland and it will feel


cold. This morning, train delays


and cancellations again. There was an 11-year-old boy trying


to get to school, he could not get on. Everybody is out for themselves,


nobody wants to lose their job, you can hear the desperation in people's


voice. It is, please let me get on the train.


Barack Obama makes a speech today to mark the end of his presidency. What


will his legacy be? Slowdown! My goodness! I want to be


like you! Come on! What is the secret to still be dancing at 106?


We will look back at his eight years in the White House.


Also today, in an exclusive interview Nicole Kidman tells us why


she wants more children at the age of 49, but her husband


When people talk about regrets, do I have regrets?


I would have liked two or three more.


Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.


Commuters on Southern rail are facing the first of three


days of strikes by train drivers this week.


It's the latest industrial action in the dispute over plans


for drivers to open and close doors, which has been going


Drivers will walk out today, tomorrow and on Friday.


Southern has urged the Aslef union to get back around


Chris Grayling says the strike is not right and not fair.


A 15-year-old girl is being questioned by police


in York after the death of a seven-year-old girl.


The younger girl was found with life-threatening injuries


in the Woodthorpe area of the city yesterday afternoon.


She was taken to hospital but died a short time later.


Boris Johnson, who's visiting Washington,


says he's confident Britain will be first in line for a trade deal


The Foreign Secretary has been meeting senior


Republican politicians, who've promised to make a US-UK


President Obama warned in April that the UK would be at the back


The US owners of the messaging app Snapchat are to set up


a new international headquarters in the UK.


The company currently has 75 staff at its office in London


It says the UK's strong creative industries made it "a great place


The move is seen as positive for the technology sector,


as other companies such as Facebook and Google have based


themselves in Ireland, which offers lower tax breaks.


La La Land has had 11 nominators -- nominations for afters. British


actors Andrew Garfield, Emily Bunte and Hugh Grant are also nominated,


as is the British state welfare drama I Daniel Blake.


That's a summary of the latest BBC News.


In the past quarter of an hour, Fifa has unanimously voted


to increase the number of teams in the World Cup, from 32 to 48,


There'll be 16 groups of three teams, and the number of tournament


But the eventual winners will still play only seven games.


We can talk now to our Sports News Correspondent Alex Capstick,


who's live at Fifa headquarters in Zurich, where


Alex, we've been expecting this decision, despite concerns about it


diluting the quality of the tournament, so what's


It was always favoured to go through. They were offered five


different options, including the existing structure, but the


favourite one was always this structure, which you mentioned,


which will involve 16 groups of preteens, then a knockout stage of


32. The President knew he had lots of support throughout the world,


continents like Africa, Asia, the Americans, they all wanted greater


representation. They knew they could not get it in the existing system,


so they had to go for a bigger World Cup, and 48 seemed to work. It


involves the same number of matches for the finalists as in the 32 team


format, and the same duration, around 32 days. That alleviate fears


from the big clubs in Europe that it would place extra demands on the


players. It means a lot more money for Fifa, they will expect to earn


an extra $1 billion, 800 million pounds, in the tournament, with


profits around 4.2 billion. More money, and it'll make the president


very popular across the political landscape in football. Not everybody


has look on this so favourably, especially Germany and England, they


have been against this. A lot of the Europeans have objected to an


increase, they said the existing structure of 32 worked perfectly


well, it is a very good format. It has been in place since 1998, so why


bother changing something that works? Why fiddle with it? They are


concerned about a possible violation of the tournament. 16 extra teams,


but some of the games will be meaningless, they are also worried


about the third game in the group stage, where teams could manufacture


a result, which would be mutually beneficial. One of the ideas on the


table to counter that is to have a penalty shoot out when such matches


in the group stage are drawn, which would get rid of that potential


problem. I am back at 10:30am.


It's a new year, is it a new Jeremy Corbyn?


The Labour leader, who voted to remain in the EU,


now says the UK can be better off when Britain leaves,


but that continued full access to the single market is key.


He would like a cap placed on the highest earners to reduce


inequality. We have the worst levels of income


disparity of most of the OECD If we want to live in a more


egalitarian society and fund our public services,


we cannot go on creating worse There should be a law


to limit income? Forget a figure, a law


to limit maximum earnings? I would like to see it, I think it


would be a fairer thing to do. We cannot set ourselves up


as being a grossly-unequal, bargain-basement economy


on the shores of Europe. We have to be something


that is more egalitarian, gives real opportunities


to everybody, and properly Look at the crisis in


the NHS as an example. He later clarified that the pay cap


would be "somewhat higher" than the ?138,000 he earns as an MP


and Leader of the Opposition. The Labour leader who voted


to remain in the EU, also says the UK can be better off


when Britain leaves but that continued full access to the single


market is key So how will Mr Corbyn's ideas go down


with Labour supporters and MPs? We can speak now to Emma Reynolds,


a Labour MP who published her own proposals on how the party should


approach immigration I will talk to you about the pay


cap, because that was not trailed in advance, it came out of nowhere, it


took a few people by surprise. I have not seen the details. There are


no details. He is right to highlight the issue. The gap between the


lowest earners and highest earners is too wide. He is right to say that


we should not let the Conservatives and the right use Brexit is a chance


to turn Britain into a bargain basement economy on the shores of


Europe. We need to look at how best to do that. One of the proposals we


put forward and that the Conservatives took on temporarily


lost to put workers on board. The Prime Minister promised it but then


withdrew it. That is one way to ensure we have greater equality in


income. But we need to look at what people own, not just what they earn.


There is still a long way to go. Would you support your leader's


suggestion that legislation should be introduced for a maximum limit of


what you can earn, and after that it either goes to the Treasury or


whatever? I am not sure, I would like to see the details. I think


there are other ways you can go about tackling income inequality,


and he is right to highlight the issue. But not a maximum cap? Lets


see the detail, but I instinctively don't think it is the best way to


go. In terms of Labour's position now on immigration after the vote to


leave the EU, do you feel it is any clearer? Jeremy Corbyn has insisted


he is not wedded to the free movement of people. He would not put


a figure on what the ideal number of immigrants was, but he still wants


full access to the single market. How do you reconcile the two? I


welcome what he has said on free movement. There has to be change.


Kia Starmer has also said that in a speech before Christmas, that the


status quo is not an option. I would like to see more detail a game, we


will see the speech later today, about what managed migration really


means, what Jeremy is talking about. I think that just tackling


exportation is not go far enough. Stephen Kinnock and I proposed a two


tier system, whereby you can buy preference for EU workers over


non-EU workers but you do restrict the numbers in low skilled and


semiskilled repressions. I do think people want to see a fairer system


and they want to sue the Government have control over who comes in to


the country to work. If you did your proposal, how much would it bring


net immigration down by? Last year it was pre-30,000. I agree with


Jeremy, the Conservatives made a big mess on this, because by promising


to reduce the numbers... From your proposals, which you have worked on


family... It depends on the economy. The Tories have been wrong in the


last six years to try to say that they are going to bring immigration


down to the tens of thousands of. You are not going to fall into that


trap of putting a number on it. Our party leader is right to say we


should not do that. Under your proposals, net immigration could go


I would like to see the numbers come down, but I am not going to be...


Under your proposals, theoretically net immigration could go up, if you


say it is dependent on the economy. You have quotas. The emphasis is


that employers must train local people and give local young people


opportunities in these low skilled and semiskilled professions, and


there would be considered proposals in consultation with business and


trade unions, but there would be restrictions are numbers in certain


professions of. You know from Angela Merkel and other European leaders


that they say it is impossible for Britain to have full access to the


single market and to have some kind of control over net migration.


Jeremy Corbyn knows that. That is their starting point, but what we


said at the weekend was our position is different from the Conservatives'


and the Prime Minister. We think we should keep an element of preference


for EU workers over non-EU workers, and we are not the only country that


is having a conversation about immigration. Jeremy Corbyn's


position is not that different from some Conservatives, they want full


access to the single market and to patrol net migration. We want the


best possible access. You now sound like the Prime Minister. She has put


immigration above the economy, I think there has to be a balance


between the two. That me ask you about the reboot for Jeremy Corbyn.


Is it going to help him reach out to the wider electorate? I had so. He


said this morning that it is not a reboot as such. Whenever a party


leader does a speech in the New Year, people try to brand it as


something like a reboot or a relaunch. We do need to talk to


people who have turned away from Labour. That is critical.


Is that not happening yet? If we are just going to talk to people who are


going to vote Labour, that will not change anything. We need to reach


out to the people who lost confidence in the last election and


the one before that and we need it start reaching ot and if we don't,


we're not going to do very well. What sort of success are you looking


for from Jeremy Corbyn in the next cull of years? How will you measure


whether he's doing a good job or not? Well, today is a start. I think


it is right that our party talks about immigration. I think for too


long, under various leaders actually, we have been seen as a


party that doesn't want to talks about what is a very difficult and


sensitive issue and we need to take a balanced approach to it based on


our values, but Jeremy is right to talk about Brexit and about


immigration today and that's a good start. Household incomes, typical


household incomes rose ?600 to ?26300 after tax between 2015 and


2016. Figures just in from the Office for National Statistics. Any


thought on that? Gone up a little bit. I would like to see people


everywhere in the country do better than they're doing. I would like to


see a break in the sense that somehow the next generation won't do


better than this generation and I think it is not just about earnings,


I think it is about housing. There is a huge housing crisis in the


country and there are people who are sitting on assets worth billions of


pounds and people who can't get on the housing lad are and that can't


be right. There are young people here in London for example who are


really, really struggling to get on the housing ladderment they have to


move out of London to own their own home, to have the security of home


ownership. I don't think that's right. We have got to look more


broadly not just at income, but tax rates on capital and the


Conservatives have reduced inheritance tax and I think they


were wrong to do that and you know, the Labour Party doesn't need to


just look at the income disparity because there are many people,


entrepreneurs who earn a lot of money, but they have created a lot


of jobs so I think we need to not have a tax on aspiration, but we


need to look at the capital that people are sitting on as well. A


couple of comments from people watching. Great idea coming from


Jeremy Corbyn on maximum salaries. No public sector worker should be


earning some of the incredible amounts this they do. The private


sector incomes are much bigger than some of the public sector incomes.


There are Chief Executives of certain public sector bodies that


are on hundreds of thousands of pounds which this viewer is not


into. Paul e-mails, "Yet another Corbyn classic. Companies must offer


the global rate otherwise they will get inferior candidates. Such a move


restricts candidates." In the second part of our chat


with Nicole Kidman, she tells me the secret to her long happy


marriage and why she thinks we Can you believe it's a year


since David Bowie died? He had cancer and died two days


after his 69th birthday, having kept his illness hidden


from everyone except his family He'd only just released his 25th


album, Blackstar, which came to be seen as his "parting gift" to fans,


reflecting as it did on themes Tribute events are due to take


place around the world. His death left a hole in many


people's lives including our next I was learning about how to play


rhythm 'n' blues and learning how to write and finding out everything


that I read and any film that I saw, in a theatre, everything went into


mid-mind as being an influence. # Star man waiting in the sky. High


pressure he told us not to blow it. # Because it is all worthwhile. #


# Let's dance, put on your red shoes and dance the blues. #


I felt really comfortable going on stage as somebody else and it seemed


a rational decision to keep on doing that.


So I got quite besotted with the idea of just creating character


after character. # Put on your red shoes and dance


the blues.# # And Ziggy played


guitar.# So, George, you knew David


since you were kids? What are you thinking? I still can't


really get used to it. It is a tough one because he was a big part of my


life. You met at age nine... Yes, enrolling for the Cubs. OK. Kyoto


Treaties what nine-year-old David Bowie was like? -- can you tell us


what nine-year-old David Bowie was like? He was enthusiastic. The first


thing we started talking about was music and the music that was of the


time in 1956, you know, there was everything. Music was starting to


change drastically. We were in a good place. We wanted to get a group


together straightaway even though we were only nine years old! But we


did, while we were in the Cubs we did go around the cap fire singing a


few songs. Probably David's first public performance. Maybe. Maybe.


You cemented that friendship, I think, through your teenage years


and obviously he's grog up and then he starts to become incredibly


famous. Yeah. We were at the same secondary school together and while


I was at school, I was in a band and David, it was called the Conrads and


I told the guys that I had a friend who was learning to play the sax. I


managed to get him to join the band. That was the first hint. He did say


to me, you know, many times that this is what I want to do, you know,


this is it. I had my art because that's really what I wanted to do


was to be an artist in some way or another, but we did, we were in


bands together. David's first single was with the King Bees, we didn't


make any success out of it, but I could see then that David was


striving for star Dom was starting to, you know, become to fruition.


Yes. He invited you on tour and actually, there were times when he


just wanted you to stay on the whole tour and you thought, "I can't get


away with this. It looks like I'm doing nothing." You were just


married. That was the other complication. I got married in 1971


and David was at the wedding and the change from then to 1972 was


amazing. In one short year, one short time, you know, in that year


he changed from sort of a long hair hippie-type to this new persona he


found as Ziggy Stardust and he wanted me to go on the tour with him


to America which my wife and I, you couldn't turn that down. It was only


going to be for a couple weeks and he wanted me to do an album cover


for him, the man who travelled the world. We went on the QE2 first


class... Which he paid for? I was ready to do what - he wanted to take


me with him and that was great. Did you have a lot of laughs with him?


Well, I mean, he was hilarious. Absolutely hilarious, just on the


QE2, he went to dinner the first night in one of his stage outfits.


It was a big white Ziggy outfit with endlets on it and everything. --


endlilets and old ladies had their mouths open! He said I don't like


going down there. I said, "Why not?" He said, "Everybody is staring at


me." I said when you're wearing clothes like that. He stayed in bed


for the five-day-trip. He stayed in his room a lot. While we were there


with him, he put on a show for us. My wife and I would sit there just


being entertained. Are you thinking at this point, oh my god, David


Bowie is entertaining or are you thinking David, old mate since the


age of nine when we met at Cubs stop messing about? I tell you something,


when David got into a character, you couldn't take your eyes off him, he


was in that zone and that was fine. Afterwards, you would say, "Blimey,


that was good, Dave." With me and him it was always a down-to-earth


relationship. He wanted me as a companion really as well. And he


asked me after a couple of weeks, I took my own money with him and I had


spent it all. I would say we're going back now and I said well, I


have got things to do, I've got stuff. , "Why don't you come on the


rest of the tour?" "What three months all around America?" "Yes.


Yths I did do some work for him while I was there. I didn't want to


be hanging on all the time. No. I did that. He said, "Do you want to


come to Japan with us?" I thought, "Oh no, this is ridiculous." What


did your new wife say? She was Danish and it was all a bit strange,


well it would be strange for anyone being on a tour like that because it


was like a craze crisis circus as you can imagine, but I turned it


down. I said no. I had a career I wanted to pursue and he understood


that, but I often think back, I wonder, if I was such a good friend


to him as he was to me, you know? Do you? Sometimes. Thank you very much,


George. It's all right. Thank you for sharing your memories. You're


welcome. Don't get emotional, but I understand why. Thank you very much


for coming on the programme. Thank you.


Stay there a second. Thank you. News about the Post Office. I will


have to go into - yes. The Post Office is to close and franchise a


further 37 Crown Offices and that means 300 people will lose their


jobs and 127 financial specialist roles will also go. That's in from


the Communication Workers Union. And also this news just in, this is from


the police in Cumbria, north council buryia university Hospitals trust


called in the police after a small number of saline bags appear to have


been tampered. This was discovered on 4th January by a member of staff


who alerted senior clinicians straightaway. The trust implemented


its serious incident procedures and there is no indication that any


patients have been adversely affected, but the situation is being


monitored and the trust, as I said, have now called in Cumbria Police,


after a small number of saline bags appear to have been tampered with.


A 15-year-old girl has been arrested after the death


Fill us in Phil. Well, Victoria, beyond these police vans, the


scientific support vans lies a white forensics tent and that's where the


focus of this investigation is centring this morning. As you


mentioned a seven-year-old girl died in this area of York at around


4.30pm to 5pm last night. A 15-year-old girl has been arrested.


Now we have been talking to local people who say there was intense


police activity last night at 4.30pm to 5pm when this incident happened.


Detectives have been making door-to-door inquiries as they try


to build up a picture of what happened. We know the seven-year-old


was taken to York Hospital, but died a short time later. Now, North


Yorkshire Police are not saying too much at the moment, but they did


tweet last night, "A difficult late shift for all York staff with the


tragic death of a seven-year-old. Thoughts go out to all the family."


Beyond the white tent which you can perhaps see is an area of open land,


it is often used by dog walkers and people who indulge in recreation.


This is where the incident happened. The police are trying to build up a


picture to establish the circumstances of this event last


night. Victoria. Thank you. Snapchat is moving its international


headquarters to the UK. Snapchat is one of the


fastest-growing of the social media platforms. In America, Snapchat


launched quite a long time ago, but it is now booming, over 150 million


people worldwide that use it, and 10 million of them are in Britain. If


you have a teenage kid in Britain, they will be on Snapchat. The fact


they are moving to London is a thumbs up for London's post Brexit


economy, and it is surprising, because most companies move to low


tax havens, like Luxembourg, Ireland and the Netherlands.


Still to come, Nicole Kidman tells us about her happy marriage and the


pressure to look good in Hollywood. And at a macro closes the book on


his presidency with a farewell speech -- Barack Obama. We look at


his legacy. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom


with a summary of today's news. North Cumbria hospitals trust has


called the police after a small number of saline bags appeared to


have been tampered with. The problem was discovered last Wednesday by a


member of staff, who alerted senior doctors. The trust says it


implemented its serious incident procedures and there is no


indication that any Haitians have been adversely affected. 'S any


patience. The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn


has criticised the gap between high-income earners


and the lowest paid, saying that a cap on earnings might produce


"a more-egalitarian society". Speaking to BBC Radio


4's Today programme, Mr Corbyn said he thought


introducing the limit would be If we want to live in a more


egalitarian society and fund our public services,


we cannot go on creating worse There should be a law


to limit income? Forget a figure, a law


to limit maximum earnings? I would like to see it, I think it


would be a fairer thing to do. As we've been hearing,


commuters on Southern rail are facing the first of three days


of strikes by train It's the latest industrial action


in a dispute over plans for drivers to open and close doors,


which has been going Drivers will also walk out


tomorrow and on Friday. Virtually no services


are now running. The Transport Secretary Chris


Grayling has condemned the strike on Southern rail,


saying it is "simply not The Hollywood musical


La La Land leads nominations for this year's Baftas,


with 11 nods, including Best Film. Its stars Ryan Gosling


and Emma Stone are also up for Best Actor and Actress,


just a day after winning British actors Andrew Garfield,


Emily Blunt and Hugh Grant are also nominated, as is British state


welfare drama I, Daniel Blake. The ceremony takes place


in London on February 12th. Join me for BBC


Newsroom Live at 11am. More on the news that para-cyclists


have been given just seven weeks to prepare for their Track World


Championship. Jody Cundy is with me, you won two


gold medals at the Rio Games. And I've seen your tweets,


will you be competing? I am ever professional, if I did not


go, I would be a hypocrite, but for it to be such last-minute, it is


seven weeks, for athletes preparing it is not time to do it. For


organisations and teams to sort out logistics, visas, transport, Hotel


is, it is a bit crazy. I don't know if there is an all too real motive,


but it seems a bit strange that it has become so late in the day. A lot


of the athletes after September have not gone into full-time training


yet, so how will this affect the quality of the event? By our


standards, a lot of us have only just started going back on our


bikes. I started in December, I saw a couple of others for the first


time this week. In seven weeks, we have a World Championship, and we


have to be in prime condition, it is a bit crazy. I cannot imagine some


of the nations even have the money to do it, because most of the


funding is a four-year cycle, and the Paralympics would have been the


end of the cycle, and I do not think the cycle for the Tokyo cycle -- the


money for the Tokyo cycle has come through yet. If we are going to be


struggling, we are the best funded, so I do not know what will happen.


Why you think it has been so rushed? I don't know. I ashamed there must


be some hidden agenda somewhere. I would like to guess,... Have you


speaking to them about this? I spoke to Sarah Storey, who is on the


commission, about what was going on behind the scenes, and she seemed


just as angry as what I am. It is one of those things, it should be an


annual event, it should be up there for them to move towards it being a


sustainable event in the future, but doing it this way is not going to


give us the best president that we needed.


Next, chimpanzees, creating tools to help them drink water, like the


Stone Age. I told you it was good. If you think


that was good, you will want to watch the BBC's new documentary on


Thursday night. Cameras are concealed within lifelike robots,


tracking how animals interact with them in the wild. The first


programme features a robust monkeys which mistake a robot is one of


their own and go into a state of grief when the robot is dropped from


a height. A team of spy creatures is on a


mission. To uncover the secret lives of wild animals. They're hidden


cameras capture extraordinary behaviour. What they reveal will


surprise, amaze and make you smile. Maybe they are more like us than we


ever thought possible. This morning we've been bringing


you an exclusive interview with Nicole Kidman about her role


in today's Bafta-nominated Here, in the second part


of our chat, she opens up about her desire to become a mother


again at 49, the secret to her long happy marriage and why she thinks


we should all be getting behind I started by asking


her about the pressure I'm primarily concerned


with creating a character, so the look that has nothing


to do with it. Do I want to go to a red carpet,


put on a beautiful dress, do my make-up and, you know,


as though I'm going to a nice party? But that's what that


is, that's a party. This is, when you're doing the work,


it's what's required for the role. I just did Top Of The Lake


with Jane Campion, and I wore the most beautiful grey hair,


thick grey hair. Plenty of our audience will have


seen the publicity shots, actually, That's what I'm interested in now,


is the way in which we've been given, as women,


so many things, we can wear hair extensions,


we can wear make-up, There are so many different ways


in which we can blur the lines now, and therefore blur our ages,


blur who we are and how we are seen, and that's fantastic,


because that's choice. Ultimately, that's what we want


as women, is choice, our choice. Although, I interviewed


Julie Walters earlier this year, and she said if she went


to Hollywood now, she would be regarded as a freak, she thought,


because she looks like a woman I'd be grateful to


cast her in something. You've spoken before about hoping,


quote, hoping every month that you might be pregnant,


and your grandmother, I read, When people talk about regrets,


do I have regrets, I wish My husband says, "That


is the wanting mind, How many more children


would you have liked? I would have liked probably two


or three more children. And I love being around and I love


the ups and downs and I love watching them grow and the things


they say and teach. And that is the one


regret in your life? I hate to use the word regret,


because I have no regrets in terms of I'm so blessed,


but would I enjoy giving two And I used to be far more


comfortable with children You said you would


consider adopting again. He's like, "I'm done, baby,


I'm done, let's just But, you know, that's the balance


of a relationship, isn't it? I would never go against what he


wanted in terms of our family. He's right in the way,


there's only a certain amount of time and you want to be able


to give the time to You're now in the middle of a


relationship discussion, may I add! From your own experience,


what is the key to that Because I think humility in that


regard is probably the biggest thing you can have in a relationship,


which is grateful to have it, contributing to it, prioritising it,


and never sort of preaching Because I think everyone's


relationship is their own. We all know what goes


on behind closed doors What works for us doesn't


work for other people. I met somebody...I always


say I love and I like. You have joint US-Australian


citizenship and you voted in the US What do you think of


President-elect Trump? I'm always reticent to start


commenting politically. I've never done it


in terms of America. So, I just say we as a country


needs to support whoever is the President, because that's


what the country's based on. And whatever, however that happened,


he's there and let's go. Let's go and, for me,


I'm very committed to women's issues in terms of I do a lot


of fundraising for UN Women and I do I also do an enormous


amount of fundraising for breast and ovarian cancer,


because that's something that's They are my issues that


I'm very attached to. Can I ask you about another issue


in Australia, the big debate Kylie Minogue saying


she will not get married What do you say to Australian


politicians who do not support it? I believe in allowing


people who love each other to share their lives together


and to honour it. I really believe that we should stay


out of people's business I laugh when people love each


other and want that to be acknowledged legally,


because that's protection, as well, but it's also a way


in which you sound committed. Thank you very much


for talking to us. Thank you for having me and thanks


for asking such great questions. Lion is released on 20th January


in cinemas nationwide. And you can watch our interview


with Nicole in full on our programme In ten days' time Donald Trump


will officially be inaugurated as the 45th President


of the United States. Tonight, after eight


years in the White House, Barack Obama will give


a farewell speech. During his time in office,


Obama's contended with a global financial crisis and Syria's decent


into war, and been frustrated He's also introduced Obamacare,


which makes it easier for Americans Here he is eight years ago,


when as the United States' first black President his election offered


many new hope. Since then he's been accused


of failing to do enough to tackle issues of racism


and police brutality. So what does Barack Obama


think his own legacy will be? Eight years in office


and lots of decisions. Does President Obama


have any regrets? Well, we couldn't ask him


directly, but he has spoken Libya, last year, a Fox News host


asked Obama a simple question. Probably failing to plan for the day


after when I think was the right Obama told the Atlantic magazine


he misjudged two things. First, how much tribal


divisions would play a role in post-Gaddafi Libya and second,


how little he would be able to rely on France and the UK to help


rebuild the country. Of course, those governments didn't


quite see it that way. Guns, a lot of mass shootings


happened on Obama's watch. Here he is in 2015


talking to the BBC. The one area where I feel that I've


been most frustrated and most stymied, we don't have sufficient


common sense gun safety laws. Even in the face of


repeated mass killings. Here is the President a year ago


giving his last State It is one of the few regrets


of my presidency that the rancour and the suspicion


between the parties has gotten I have no doubt a President


with the gifts of Eisenhower or Roosevelt might have


better bridged the divide. On this issue, Obama really


seems to compare himself The President later told Vanity Fair


that maybe he could have got more done in he had the genius


of Abraham, the charm of FDR, the energy of Teddy Roosevelt


or the legislative Guantanamo Bay, Obama campaigned


on a promise to close And President-elect Trump wants


to keep it that way. We're going to load it up


with some bad dudes. So when a seventh grader in Ohio


asked Obama what he wished he had done differently on his


first day in office... Close Guantanamo Bay


on the first day. I didn't because at that time


as you will recall we had a by-partisan agreement that it


should be closed and I thought we had enough consensus


that we could do in a more Finally, Syria, Syria Obama has said


haunts him constantly, but he told Vanity Fair


that he doesn't necessarily regret how he has handled the conflict,


still he said, "I do ask myself was there something


that we hadn't thought of? Was there some move that's


beyond what is being presented to me that maybe a Churchill


could have seen? No doubt President Obama


will reflect on his decisions Politics and his regrets aside,


he's created some memorable moments at the White House,


dancing and singing like no other Then to know that the reverend


Al Green was here. Last week, Prince George showed up


to our meeting in his bath robe. I want to be like


you when I grow up. So what's the secret


to still dancing at 106? # And when I knew I had


to face another day. # Lord, it made me


feel so tired.# That's the most persistent


fly I've ever seen. # Amazing Grace,


how sweet the sound. # I once was lost,


but now I'm found.# # But now I'm found. #


He has got to be the coolest president ever.


We can speak now to Mara Rudman, a former national-security official


for both Barack Obama and Bill Clinton's administrations.


She also studied at law school with Obama.


Robert George, an editorial writer for the New York Daily News.


Let's start with you Robert George. What will his legacy be? You have to


put it in two categories, a historical cultural legacy which I


think some of those last, some of the last couple of clips showed the


impact he had there and then, of course, like any other president, he


has got a political and a policy legacy and that one is a little bit


more, that's a little bit more mixed in the context of the economy,


foreign policy, etcetera. What would be a success? What would be a


failure Robert George? I think as a success from his terms in the


context of something that Democrats in the United States have been


wanting for a long time is getting closer to a national healthcare


system. Now, obviously, many Republicans pushed back at that and


in fact, one of the very first policy choices that the Republicans


and the incoming president Donald Trump will work on is repealing what


is known as Obamacare, but it is definitely rooted in and whatever


replacement that the Republicans come up with, it will be a lot


further along towards what they see as a national healthcare system than


they would have liked. I give him sort of a B or a B minus in the


context of the economy given where the country was when he came in.


However, the country in terms of the gross economic increases year to


year has been a lot further behind where similar recoveries were after


president's Reagan and presidents Clinton. So that's not so great.


Failures I think are foreign policy has been unfortunately, I think, the


Middle East in particular is much messier than it was when he came in


eight years ago. Let me bring in our other guest. What would be give him


an A for and B minus for? Thanks. Well, first of all, you need to look


broadly at what he has brought in his presidency and particularly when


we look at what's coming next. And he has, he embodies American values


and constitutional values in just his very being and in his essence


and in his presence, his intelligence and decency and his


charisma and he is a president that we can be proud of and that the


country can be proud of and I think that that should not be sold short.


In terms of what he gets nailed for, the economy and his healthcare


system. I think history will judge him well. You would give him an A


for the economy, would you? Absolutely. I worked for plinth. I


saw the tremendous benefits that the economy that plinth left for


President Bush. I saw what President Obama inherited. Robert George, do


you want to come back in there? Sorry, and where we are in


comparison to the rest of the world, the United States economy is doing


incredibly well. I understand where people feel that they have lost when


you look at relative basis. He has done a tremendous job. Well, I think


one of the controversies or disputes they have in the United States is


how much of the current economy is from President Obama's policies and


how much of it has been from say the Central Bank, the Federal Reserve.


They've kept interest rates basically at zero for most of his


administration and that maybe one of the reasons why we have a better job


creation than say Europe and the rest of the world.


Sure I think history will look back and look at the eight year period of


his presidency and history judges presidents and has his leadership


and how the economy fared under him as they judged President Reagan and


plinth. I think right now, it is not exactly a quibble. I'm kernel, I


know a number of my Republican friends would give President Obama


something more like a D or worse on the economy. I mean I think it's


good. It is just I wouldn't quite give it an A given some of the other


factors as I've just referenced. Briefly, how as a Democrat, how


worried are you about incoming Donald Trump as president repealing,


reversing much of what President Obama has tried to do in the last


eight years? Listen, I'm concerned, but what I'm as concerned about is


just the fundamental institutions of our Government and our democracy,


that's not an issue of Democrat or Republican. That goes to being an


American. So what I will hope for is that Americans come together and


recognise what's most important for our country and that is what I


started with is what President Obama embodies and I hope we will come


together as a country and ensure that those qualities stay. Thank you


very much. A viewer says, "Watching your piece


on President Obama, I wish we had a Prime Minister as charmy, funny and


thoughtful as him." On the programme tomorrow,


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