10/01/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

This morning, strikes, delays and cancellations.

Southern rail commuters tell us their view on the operator

I get up early to get the overground or the bus, it takes a lot longer.

Today marks the first of six days of strikes

by Southern rail this month, so what's the solution?

Do get in touch with us throughout the programme.

Also today, in an exclusive interview Nicole Kidman tells us why

she wants more children at the age of 49, but her husband

When people talk about regrets, do I have regrets? I wish I had more

children. My husband tells me to shut it down. I would have liked to

or three more. I love children. And, her film Lion has just received

five Bafta nominations, but La La Land, a film

about a Hollywood musical, What? Come on! The TV show, the one

I was telling you about. Congratulations, that's a credible!

I feel like I said negative stuff about it before. It is like Rebel

without a cause. I got the bullets! As you'd expect, we'll bring

you the latest breaking news Stay tuned for some fascinating

footage of chimpanzees which appears to show them developing tools

to help them drink water. If you're getting in touch,

use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE. Jeremy Corbyn is to explain Labour's

approach to Brexit and immigration. In a speech later, he'll say

for the first time that he's not "wedded" to the principle of free

movement of people, and he'll argue that the UK can't afford to lose

full access to the single market, as many British jobs

and businesses depend on it. Why the change of heart from Jeremy

Corbyn? What we get today is the Jeremy Corbyn reboot, relaunch, at

the start of the year, trying to present a different sort of

leadership and a different approach to Brexit. He has been out and about

this morning, doing a round of media interviews, something which he has

been conspicuously avoiding to date, and it has been an attempt to put

him on the front foot and on Brexit he says that Brexit could be good

for Britain, we could be better off if we left the EU, and on freedom of

movement, that issue which he is conspicuously defending to date, he

says they are not wedded to it, and there may have to be restrictions as

part of the negotiations. And that Labour is open-minded about that.

But more than that, from a clear blue sky, he has also announced this

morning that he is in favour of a maximum earnings cap. In other

words, people can only earn so much money, and that is it. This is his

attempt to present himself as the populist leader, willing to take on

the wealthy, the establishment, the bankers, saying you can earn so much

and no more. This is what he said on Radio 4.

We have the worst levels of income disparity of most of the OECD

countries in this country. It is getting worse. Corporate taxation is

a part of it. If we want to live in a more it at every and society and

fund our public services, we cannot go on creating worst levels of

inequality. There should be a law to limit income? I think let's look at

it. You have got a view on it. Tell us what it is. What I want to see...

To get the figure, a law to limit maximum earnings? I would like to

see it, I think it would be a fairer thing to do. We cannot set ourselves

up as being a grossly unequal, bargain basement economy on the

shores of Europe. We have to be something that is more a gal at

every, gives real opportunities to everybody, and properly funds our

services. Look at the crisis in the NHS as an example.

That is massive. Any reaction so far? I rang one of his press people.

I said, what is that? There was a silence on the other end of the

phone. She said, I will get back to you. I think Jeremy Corbyn has

caught his own party, his own people, off-guard, nobody knew he

would stay that. I cannot think of any other Labour politician ever

calling for a maximum earnings cap. That says that you can earn so much,

and that is it. The state is taking the lot. How would that work? I

presume in the City of London, if there was a cap, presumably half the

banks, half the bankers would just disappear. It is an extraordinary

policy. But maybe his calculation is, never mind the froth in the

Westminster village, never mind the outrage, it could be popular, people

might think, why should people earn more than ?1 million? Why should

there not be a cap? That is what he is trying to do, to present himself,

like Donald Trump, of the anti-establishment politician, the

person prepared to tell it as it is, even if, within the Westminster

village, it seemed like an extraordinary idea.

More reaction to come. Wherever you are, let me know. Would you back a

maximum earnings cap? What would be cap the? A million? Half a million?

Is it popular with you? We will talk to some Labour MPs later, we will

feed your thoughts into that conversation. You can e-mail us or

send me a tweet. Joanna is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary Commuters on Southern rail

are facing the first of three days of strikes by train

drivers this week. The dispute about the role

of the guard on trains has been It is a dispute which has been

crippling London's train You have to get up early to go

underground or get a bus. I am abandoning going

into town tomorrow. We will see how things

go later in the week. I have managed to get a train

but it is not good at all. It seems talks between the two

sides have turned nasty. The tactics they have used

have been malicious. At best they have been dishonest,

disingenuous, deceitful, Our reality is that we are now

experiencing a new type of industrial relations

in our industry that we have It's a row over the role

of the on-board guard. Southern wants drivers to take over

the safety-critical job But the union says

the guard should do it. A report by the regulator says

Southern's plans were safe as long as they provided the right

equipment and training. All of the 2,000-plus

services in the company will be cancelled today,

tomorrow and Friday. There'll be huge disruption

on Thursday too because the trains And that's on top of an overtime ban

which is cutting services daily. Another three-day strike

is planned later this month. The issue of driver-controlled

trains is affecting Southern today, but it could easily spread to other

franchises through Britain. Our correspondent Duncan Kennedy

is at Horsham station in West Sussex How are things their? Terrible, as

right across the region, Kent, Sussex, Surrey and parts of

Hampshire, 300,000 travel journeys should be made today, it is zero at

the moment. Normally we would have five or 10,000 commuters coming

through here in the rush hour. I will show you what is going on

inside. A completely empty concourse. It is like that across

all the stations on Southern railways. The different from last

month's strikes, Southern and National Express are putting on

coaches and buses to get a few people around, but it is very

patchy, only 200 buses. Just to get people a few miles down the track.

To recap, it is all about who opened the doors. Is it these drivers? They

say it should not be them. It is just not safe for them to do so.

They say it should be the guard. But Southern say it is proven that it is

OK for the drivers to do it, there is a lot of evidence to say it is

safe, and that the guards can be better used on the train, looking

after passengers. I cannot come together. No talks planned. Onwards

and upwards for the misery for these tens of thousands of commuters.

And in a few minutes' time Victoria will be talking to commuters

who use the service, both supporting and against

the strikes, about how the dispute can be resolved.

A 15-year-old girl is being questioned by police

in York after the death of a seven-year-old girl.

The younger girl was found with life-threatening injuries

in the Woodthorpe area of the city yesterday afternoon.

She was taken to hospital but died a short time later.

The teenager remains in police custody.

The British and Irish Governments say they're going to work

to try to find a solution to the most-serious political crisis

Yesterday, the Deputy First Minister, Sinn Fein's Martin

It came after weeks of tension between his party and its partners

in the power-sharing Government, the Democratic Unionists.

Northern Ireland Secretary James Brokenshire is expected to make

Boris Johnson, who's visiting Washington,

says he's confident Britain will be first in line for a trade deal

The Foreign Secretary has been meeting senior

Republican politicians, who've promised to make a US-UK

Barack Obama warned in April that the UK would be at the back

Concerns have been raised about the care of transgender

prisoners, following four deaths in just over a year at jails

A report from the Prisons and Probation Ombudsman says prison

staff and managers need to be more proactive and flexible in the way

they deal with inmates who've changed their birth gender,

The Ministry of Justice says it has revised its guidance so prisoners

are dealt with according to the gender they identify with.

Drivers caught offending on so-called "smart motorways"

could be offered re-education lessons by the police.

Smart motorways operate variable speed limits and can open the hard

But the national police lead for roads says many motorists

are becoming confused about when they're allowed to drive

Figures obtained by the BBC suggest an 18% rise in the number of people

caught using the hard shoulder illegally over the last two years.

The US owners of the messaging app Snapchat are to set up

a new international headquarters in the UK.

Snap Inc currently has 75 staff at its office in London

It says the UK's strong creative industries made it "a great place

The move is seen as a positive in the technology sector,

as the likes of Facebook and Google have based themselves in Ireland,

The Hollywood musical La La Land leads nominations

for this year's Baftas, with 11 nods, including Best Film.

Its stars Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone are also up

for Best Actor and Actress, just a day after winning

British actors Andrew Garfield, Emily Blunt and Hugh Grant are also

nominated, as is British state-welfare drama I, Daniel Blake.

The ceremony takes place on February 12th in London.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 9:30am.

We are hoping to talk to Ken Loach in the next hour. We will also talk

to the chair of BAFTA. And we have an exclusive interview with Nicole

Kidman, her film has been nominated for five awards, including herself

for best supporting actress. To get in touch.

If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

Jackie says, it is about time the RMT and Aslef will help to account

for the radical restriction -- disruption for the passages. They

would then think again before calling strike action. We will talk

to commuters and people with a point of view on this latest strike

action. We will talk to them in the next five minutes or so.

Let's get some sport now with Jessica.

Fifa are voting on whether to expand the number of teams

Yes, it looks as though it will be voted in by football's world

So, from 2026, there'll be a bigger World Cup.

Some have raised their eyebrows, though.

There are concerns about whether this will dilute

The chief exec of the FA Martin Glenn says they'd prefer

Germany, who won the World Cup in 2014, have said that it

could create a greater imbalance between teams.

There's also questions about increased revenue.

From their own research, Fifa say they'll potentially make

an extra ?520 million from this expansion, how much has that

This isn't lost on Fifa president Gianni Infantino,

who's acknowledged the financial benefits of the expansion,

but he insists that football needs to be more inclusive,

and this will develop football around the world.

Indeed, for smaller nations it could lead to the incredible

scenes we witnessed at the European

The likes of Wales, who went on a run all the way

And Iceland, a nation of just over 300,000,

beating England on their way to the quarter-finals.

That's exactly what an expansion could provide, the chance to dream.

Particularly for African and Asian countries,

who are expected to get the bulk of the 16 extra places.

Let me ask you about cycling's governing body because they have

given athletes seven weeks to prepare for the schooling World

Championships? Just under two months for a World Championships. It gets

underway on 2nd March in Los Angeles and it is the second time they will

be held in the season following a Paralympics. The president of the

governing body says the move signifies notable progress and

believes it will enrich the para-cycling calendar as the UCI

plan on organising this event every year, but a strong reaction from

British para cyclist, Yeoedy Cundy. He wrote on Twitter, "Why do the UCI

think it is acceptable to give seven weeks official notice of a

championships?" Are they expecting anyone to turn up.

Strong reaction there, Victoria. I will have more at 10am. Thank you

very much, Jess. Jess will be back later. This is the reaction from you

to the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, suggestion on the radio this morning

of a maximum salary cap, legislation to introduce a maximum salary. Puck

e-mails, "We, I would support the introduction of a maximum limit of

say ?1 million. Another viewer tweets, "Hearing Jeremy Corbyn's

new-found views on Brexit, I was worried he had become voteable and

then I heard about his maximum earnings cap." Another viewer says,

"Just tax accordingly." A another tweet says, "It is a great idea."

More reaction to come on the programme as you would expect.

Another day of strike action is affecting hundreds

Today it's the turn of Southern Rail to strike again.

Drivers belonging to the ASLEF union have begun their first

of six day-long stoppages planned for January.

It follows previous strikes in the run up to Christmas.

Only 16 trains will run today instead of the usual 2,242.

They're striking in a row over who should push the button to open

and close the train doors - drivers or guards.

Separately, British Airways cabin crew are also striking

today in a row over pay, although BA say the effects

So this morning, if you're a commuter affected by the latest

Or is it time for tougher legislation to make it harder

With us a group of Southern Rail commuters who say they're

constantly met with delays, cancellations and

Becky Wright is the Director of Unions21 who feels

strike legislation is more than robust enough and Conservative

MP for Havant, Alan Mak who feels there is room to strengthen the law

Welcome all of you. I want to hear your commuter stories first of all.

Why don't you begin, Alison. Good morning. I travel in from Crawley

into Victoria and then up to Green Park. I work just opposite the Ritz.

Southern, it was a nightmare before the strikes. Now, it's just

fundamentally worse. I'm quite fortunate in the fact that I work

for a company that is very understanding and accommodating so

at the moment, you know, they are quite understand the problems that

we face, but how much longer that will be the case? My job is in

London. So, you know, there is only so much they will accommodate before

they will start kind of thinking well, maybe we should consider...

Find someone who lives nearer or doesn't have to use Southern Rail to

get to work. Emma, what about your experience? Mine is different. I

travel south into Victoria, all into London Bridge and I'm freelance and

I teach ballet. I have to be there. The doors open for students and they

need to be able to access. There is a priority to get there and I have

family at home. I have a five-year-old and a seven-year-old.

What I'm upset with the fact that this is affecting them. In what way?

They are noticing my absence. Normally I would leave briefly

before they go to school and I'm back afterwards, that precious time

that you have with them in the morning and the evening is getting

shorter and shorter and they are starting to get upset. That's

because you're late back? Yes, I get in and they are already ready for

bed and we've lost that time together and I worry, I have to pay

for so many taxis just to ensure that I'll get to their show or a

parents evening and for my work, because I'm freelance, if I'm not

there then they will hire somebody else next time and I'm paying out to

make sure I get there. Absolutely. So it is a catch 22. I come in from

East Croydon. The reason I moved there because the journey to

Victoria should take 16 minutes, but my journey is taking an hour and 20

or an hour-and-a-half. It is not necessarily the cancelled trains or

the delays that are the problem, it is the fact that if one train gets

cancelled you have got a platform of thousands of people so you're having

to let two or three go because of overcrowding. I work somewhere

that's flexible, buttant don't know how much longer the flexibility will

last really. People are cross about the disruption. And perhaps, think

maybe the strike legislation should be toughened even further. The

Conservatives have already raised the threshold when it comes to

public sector industrial ballots. What's your view on that? I think we

have some of the toughest legislation in any kind of western

democracy. We're not France, we can't just decide one moment we're

going to walk out. There was a lengthy legislative procedure before

the Government decided to enact the Trade Union Bill. It costs money. No

union goes into, no workers go into a strike without due consideration

because it takes a lot of effort, it takes people's pay. It affects

customers. It affects passengers. And so if you're going to go through

this process, there has to be a really good reason why that happens

and because we already have strong legislation, we had strong

legislation before, I don't see the need for us to continue to change.

As a Conservative MP, is the legislation strong enough? Do you

look at this ongoing strike action and think maybe there is more we can

do? The strikes are causing massive disruption to people's working lives

and their family lives. The priority is to get the unions to call off the

strikes and get people back to work and to their families and then we

will look at how we can protect the infrastructure and accept the trains

are safe. No one is losing their jobs. No one is taking a pay cut and

get our trains running again. I mean there is a big dispute over whether

a train is safer if a driver, using big mirrors, can actually see

properly down a very long platform, sometimes with ten or 11 carriages,

whether he or she is in the right position to be able to close the

doors and know that customers are safe? Yeah, well safety is very

important and the independent Office of Rail Regulation has said on

Thursday that it is safe. It is not just mirrors, it is using CCTV so

they can see the whole length of the train. We can make sure that the

driver is seeing the length of the train. It is common sense. If

someone is stuck in the doors or there is a problem, the driver can

stop the train and do something about it, the conductors can't do

anything about it. What we want is the driver to take control of the

safety... The point is the conductor would be on the platform and would

have a perfect view of whether anybody is trying to get on at the

last minute? The independent regulator made sure it is safe. The

driver has a good view and where there is recommendations for

lighting at stations we have asked the operator to make sure that's

implemented. What is important is the driver has control of the train

and if there are any problems they can stop it. The on board

supervisor, the guard, can help passengers with luggage and journey

times and travel with tickets and all that stuff, really Passenger

Focussed. No one is losing their job. No one is getting a pay cut and

it is safe. It is really unsafe, isn't it? There is a new form of

train rage out there and I have seen, there was an 11-year-old boy

trying to get to school and he couldn't get on. Everyone is out for

themselves because nobody wants to lose their job because you can hear

the desperateness in people's voice. It is no longer please move down. It

is, "Please let me get on the train." This poor lad is running up

and down and he probably only needed to go two stops. He knew his journey

and he is there by himself. It is not safe.

If that kid was actually stuck in the door, the conductor can't do

anything about it and the train could drive. Under the new system,

the driver can see that kid, stop the train and sort out the problem.

That's why it is safe. As someone who uses the trains all the time

with young kids, if I'm at the end of the train, how long does it take

the train driver to do that and the disruption... He could stop the

doors closing. Nick says, "I am a train driver. There can be no doubt

that 12 carriage driver-only operated trains are not safe. I fear

the day people die at my hands because I have to carry out other

duties so as to not go to prison for manslaughter and on that day, I

shall be wishing that we had a guard on every single train whether one or

12 carriages. The Government's stance is an outrage and they hide

behind Govia. The fact that they do that is disgusting. We should be

supporting railways when the time of modernising is a lie. The on board

supervisors will be likely made redundant in 2021." The guards are

dealing with passengers and the driver takes control of safety. We

have to remember the trains are operating on 30% of trains across

the whole of the k and they have been used in the UK for the last 30

years. They are on the Underground and the Thames Docklands Light

Railway. I trust the views of a train driver, somebody who does the

job every day. There is an element of theory and practise and I think

comparing the Tube trains with something like Southern Rail or even

comparing it with Virgin East Coast is like comparing apples and

oranges. Yes, they are all fruit, but different trains and there are

different ways of doing things. You can't do that. Martin has just

arrived. He is another commuter. Hi Martin, welcome. Better late than

neverment thank you for making the effort. There is a lot of traffic on

the road. I understand there is a rail strike! Tell our audience where

you stand on the strike as a commuter? I live in west Sussex. My

line is Southern cap rail. I am self-employed so I can choose. I'm

not risk my job, but I'm certainly missing a lot of appointments. Do

you back the strikes? I do. Do you? Yes. When I used to work in Local

Government we had a customer focus policy and the point was you didn't

think what the customer might want. You actually found out what the

customer might want and what I want from trains is reliability and

safety. And I want my train driver to drive the train. I don't want him

worrying about what's going on 12 coaches behind. Let's ask all of you

that. First of all, do you back the strikes? I do back them. I

understand why they're doing it, but it has been going on, I haven't got

on a train on time since last Christmas. Christmas 2015? You're

kidding me. I live only eight miles outside of London. That's to do with

Southern... That's general. I agree with the safety end of it. You

Alison? The safety aspect, yes. What about the strike? I'm 50/50. I used

to, I was 100% behind the strike and I understood the reasons for it.

Now, being a commuter and being at the kind of front end of that, on a

daily basis, and knowing that some days my journey, I can stand at

Victoria and just think oh my god how am I going to get home? Because

there are no trains because they've cancelled god knows how many

beforehand. There are thousands of people trying to get on to one train

and it is dangerous. Now, when you talk about safety, that for me, is a

major concern that the strikes are causing huge safety issues on

platforms. That's really interesting. Emma, do you back the

strikes? No. I just think there should be another way. So now, let's

try and come up with a solution. Clearly, we're not going to achieve

that in two or three minutes on national television continue o

Tuesday morning, but let's have a goment you said we need to get the

two sides around the table. Clearly, everybody knows that. What else

needs to happen? Well, we need to get them around the table. Yes. Yes.

Yes. But for the unions to accept that the trains are safe and their

members are working in a highly paid environment. Is that not an

adversarial way to go about it? That's why we are not proposing to

change the strike laws and trying to get Alison and Emma and Martin and

other colleagues back to work. Negotiations don't work like that in

the real world. The two sides don't come together and say, "I'm giving

in." That's how negotiations work. We have had negotiations... No, it

is about compromise, isn't it? That is not how a relationship

works. People come together, they try to find common ground. Sometimes

they disagree, sometimes they agree. What would you suggest? There has

got to be a third way somewhere. The obvious thing is people, round the

table and converts and listen more than talk. But in the end, there

needs to be a third suggestion. Something that does a bit for both

sides, so that neither gives away totally, but they both give a

little. What might that be? I have just got out of a traffic jam! You

have done very well. They could trial it on quieter services, to get

the drivers who backing. If they drove on a quieter service and they

were still scared and did not feel they had the safety of the train,

pull it, but if they could give it a go, just to see if there was a happy

ground... Could they keep the guard on the 12 carriage train in rush

hour? In the middle of the day, there is often not 12 carriages,

very often four, you do not need it on four, surely. I would go with

that as well, I would be happy to see them trial it on quieter

services, not at peak rush-hour. I went to the BBC debate in East

Grinstead on Sunday. I watched the CEO of Govia and the RMT die. 'S the

RMT guy. There is a lot of trust that has gone between those two.

There needs to be a relationship, and they need to be able to trust

each other to compromise, and at the moment they are poles apart. Let me

read some more comment. Ethan says, keep the guard, who else will keep

the drunks at bay when you are travelling with your young children?

Michael says, it is unclear, what do both sides want? Every report you

run gives a different view from both sides, and your reporters. Duncan

Kennedy says there will be two people on the train, but why is that

not acceptable? Why can't the second person work the doors, as is

currently the situation? I am confused. Thank you. Good luck.

Still to come, in the past hour, the nominations for this year's

Andrew Garfield and Emily Blunt are up for Best Acting awards,

as are the stars of La La Land, Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone.

Nicole Kidman has just been nominated for a Best Supporting

Actress Bafta for her role in the film Lion.

We speak to her about her film and a range of other topics.

She says she wants more children, even though she is 49.

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

Jeremy Corbyn has good size of the gap between high income earners and

the lowest paid, saying that a cap on earnings might produce a more

eager let Aryan society. Speaking to BBC Radio

4's Today programme, Mr Corbyn said he thought

introducing the limit would be There should be a law

to limit income? Forget a figure, a law

to limit maximum earnings? I would like to see it, I think it

would be a fairer thing to do. Commuters on Southern rail

are facing the first of three days of strikes by train

drivers this week. It's the latest industrial action

in the dispute over plans for drivers to open and close doors,

which has been going Drivers will walk out today,

tomorrow and on Friday. Southern has urged the Aslef

union to get back around A 15-year-old girl is being

questioned by police in York after the death of a seven-year-old girl.

The younger girl had life-threatening injuries is today

afternoon. She was taken to hospital but died a short time later.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 10am.

It looks as though we'll be seeing more teams involved

Fifa are expected to agree plans later to expand the finals

from 32 teams to 48 teams, starting from the 2026 World Cup.

There'd be 16 groups of three, and then a straight knockout stage.

Claudio Ranieri has won Fifa's first Coach of the Year award.

The Leicester City manager was in Zurich to pick up the title,

recognition of his achievement in leading the 5,000-1 shots

to the Premier League title last season.

Championship side Leeds United came from behind to beat

League Two Cambridge United to reach the fourth round of

They'll go to either non-league Sutton United or AFC Wimbledon next.

League Two Wycombe have a dream tie away

And, Johanna Konta's preparations for the Australian Open

The British number one has reached the third

round of the Sydney International with a comfortable straight-sets win

This morning, in an exclusive interview with this programme,

Nicole Kidman tells this programme she'd like more kids

at the age of 49, but her husband won't let her.

She's just been nominated for a Best Supporting Actress Bafta

for her role in the film Lion, which tells the true story

of a young boy who gets lost in India and ends up being adopted

The film also gets four other nominations.

In a wide-ranging interview, Nicole Kidman also talks

about ageism and US President-elect Donald Trump.

But we start by talking about her film.

It is a true story, which I think is always important to say,

because it's about an Indian boy who gets lost in India

from his mother and his brother, and then it's about an Australian

family who adopts him and his journey, which is extraordinary,

to then finding his biological mother back in India.

How every day my real brother screams my name?

I always thought that I could keep this family together.

What if you do find home and they are not even there?

It's deeply emotional, as people will tell you,

as you know, but it's also really uplifting, because what he does

and what he overcomes and what even Sue, the character I play,

does, through sheer determination, all of the stories are about

It shows you some of the truths of adoption.

But it also shows you the strength of good parenting.

And it shows you that when you really set your sights

on something, you can sometimes overcome enormous odds

And you spent time with the real Sue Brierley, didn't you?

How important was that in playing her?

I mean, I just said to Garth Davis, who is the director, I said,

when he asked me to play the role and she wanted me to play her,

I said, "Would she be open to me meeting her?"

And he went, "No, she wants to meet you and share her story."

First of all, I sent a friend of mine who'd

interviewed her for two days, because I didn't want her to feel

too strange with me asking a load of questions,

And then she came to Sydney and sat in my apartment

and we just kind of went, "Phew."

She's deeply maternal, as you can see in the film,

and I'm deeply maternal, too, so I think we come together.

As I understand it, she wanted you to play her.

Presumably because you have four children, two of whom are adopted?

Yeah, and also I think being Australian, you know,

She sort of knew me in a much deeper way than probably people

And I think she just felt close to me, which is a very unusual

thing, and it's unusual when you meet the person you're

playing and you do have that sort of connection when you go,

"Gosh, I want you to stay in my life for as long as you're willing."

I think what's really clear from the film for anybody

who didn't realise it already, is that an adoptive mother's love

for a child and a birth mother's love for that same child

And I think when it's shown in a film with such warmth

and openness and compassion, I think that's a beautiful

Probably because I'm so connected to it.

And I think it's so succinctly put by the writer, Luke Davies,

when she holds his face in the film when he's about to go

And Sue, my character, says, "I just can't wait for her to see

And she sends him on his way with that, which is the truth.

She wanted his biological mother to know she'd kept him safe.

That he was a beautiful human being, and here he is,

You describe the film as they love letter to Bella and Connor,

It's a love letter in terms of me as a mother to my children,

but then to other mothers and children, too, because it's

meant to connect on that level, because it's rare that we get

The unconditional love, that no matter where you go,

what you do, what your journey is, I'm always here, come,

You have two younger ones and two older ones in their 20s.

As young adults, how proud are you of the way

I find it attached to success or ego or anything.

Because I think the loveliest thing you can say to a child is,

"I'm just happy you're in the world."

"Because you're in the world, I'm happy."

When I look at some of your other films,

Dead Calm, Moulin Rouge, The Hours, and the countless

awards you have won, you still say you don't think you've

I mean the word great, you know, I'm talking

about the performances that are up here.

I think I've given really good performances.

I still don't think I've given my best performance,

But do you think you've got that in you, it still to come?

I think I've got an enormous amount still to say and do and be.

Which is a wonderful thing at my age, to still feel that.

Because I think sometimes that wanes as you get older

I read something recently that Isabel Huppert had said.

Where she said, "I'm an actress in my fingernails, in my toes."

Do you think Hollywood has got a problem with decent roles

Female actors in their 40s and upwards?

I mean, that's such a loaded question.

Probably not, but now there is so much more available

to us in terms of globally - working in TV, working in film.

I think we are in a position where we can create our own shows.

I just did that with Reese Witherspoon, where we have

done a show called Big Little Lies and five of the roles

are for women and three of them are for women over 40.

I'm in a very fortunate position where I have really

interesting directors offering me different things.

But, you know, our job now as females in this industry

is to push through and try to blur those boundaries.

We've got incredible trailblazers in terms of Huppert and Meryl Streep

and Sarandon and Jessica Lange and all of these women who...

All of these women who, before us, have carved paths that

are defying the norm, from what it was, say, 30 years ago.

You said, "We need to create more opportunities, it is not

But from what you've said, you haven't experienced

I think I'm in the position now where it's kind

And there are so many more roles available,

partly because of the way in which the industry's

We have HBO and Netflix and Amazon and all of these mediums that

are now very different to just going to the theatre

Later in the programme we'll bring you the second

part of that interview, where she talks about her desire

for more babies, aged 49, the secret to her successful

marriage and why she thinks America should be getting

And Lion, which has just received five Bafta nominations,

Other Bafta nominees include British stars Andrew Garfield

and Emily Blunt in the Best Actor category, but La La Land,

a musical set in Los Angeles, leads the field with 11 nominations.

Alien drama Arrival and dark thriller Nocturnal Animals get

nine nominations each, and Ken Loach's British social

drama I, Daniel Blake gets five nominations.

Let's look at some of the nominations.

# City of stars, are you shining just for me?

# City of stars, there's so much that I can't see.

# Who knows, is this the start of something wonderful?

If you've been deemed fit for work, your only option

I've never been anywhere near a computer.

You need to run the mouse up the screen.

I'm going to have to ask you to leave.

I'm trying to explain to you a situation,

Do you know what - you've created a scene.

What was I supposed to do? Jesus Christ!

Who's first in this queue? I am.

Do you mind if this young lass signs on first?

This isn't your concern. I want you to get out as well.

Let's talk to Jane Lush, she's the new chair of Bafta.

What it is about La La Land that has meant it's captured

It is the members of BAFTA that vote, it is not judges, it is a vote

by industry peers if you like, but I think it's a joyous film and these

are quite grim times and we've got a lot of gritty films in the line up,

but I Thailand land stands out because it's a musical. A proper

musical where people sing and dance. The opening sequence famously on a

motorway. Ryan Gosling learnt to play the piano. And pretty well. I

gather pretty well. It is a love story and it's about Los Angeles and

it is La La Land. So it is about the madness of Los Angeles. So it makes

you smile. It is a very heart warming film. It is also a very

beautiful film. It makes Los Angeles look gorgeous which obviously the

voters over in America love that too, don't they? Yes. British stars

Andrew Garfield, Emily Blunt and Hugh Grant have been nominated for

Best Acting Award. It sounds parochial when we talk about British

talent, but that's great news? Andrew Garfield, that's not a

British film and in the supporting nominations, Aaron Taylor-Johnson

playing an American, a very grim part. So, of course, it is great

news. We're the British Academy, we want to celebrate British success.

BAFTA promised better diversity. There are no nominations for Best

Actor. Why? There are four nominations for nonwhite actors in

Best Supporting Actor and actress. I'm talking about the leading actor

categories? There is a lot of competition. Who knows what number

six would have been, maybe Denzil Washington. There is a lot of

competition, but we're making progress. Nobody would say the

situation is perfect on diversity, it is not. But it is something

that's important to BAFTA and important to me. Is it? Is that your

explanation then - there is a lot of competition? There is and inevitably

in any category there are going to be people, performers or crafts

people or whoever it is, but there is a positive story. Moonlight which

is a film about gay, young black men in Miami, that's, you know, that's

quite quite a tough subject. That is up there, nominated for Best Film.

As is, if you're talking, we're interested in diversity in the

broadest sense, you have got Notes On Blindness. A film about a blind

man. I think we should focus on the achievements and recognise that

there is a way to go. Yes. Again, a look at the directors list. No

female directors have been nominated. Is that because they're

not producing enough films? There is no question there are not enough

female directors. Kathryn Bigelow is the only female director to have won

an Oscar. That's pretty shabby. What is the reason why there are not more

female detectivors in the industry? But I think it will change. You have

got to be optimistic and I think it will change because there is an

awareness and until there is an awareness and people out there who

are actively trying to change things, things will change and they

are changing. A quick thought on the spat between Meryl and Donald Trump?

Well, it's kept us all full of column inches. Meryl had a platform

and she wanted to use it. That's her right. He has got a platform... He

is clearly not shy. Fifa has approved the expansion of

the World Cup from 32 to 48 teams in time for 2026 competition. The extra

places could see African and Asian nations benefiting the most. But

critics say whilst it will help make the World Cup larger and richer, the

price is going to be lower quality football.

Let's get reaction from former England captain, Terry Butcher.

Paul Goodwin is the co-founder of the Scottish football

Supporters Association - a bigger World Cup could mean it'll

Garford Beck is the manager of England Fans FC.

Gina West, the founder of Women's Soccer United.

Welcome all of you. Terry Butcher, you were sceptical about this. Now

it is happening, what do you say? Well, I think what they've done Fifa

s have a look at Uefa and had a look at the European Championships when

every became a must win game. What they have had in the past in World

Cups they have had groups of four and in the last couple of games,

look at England's game, England were out of the World Cup. So they are

trying to avoid that, you think and trying to make it more expansive and

trying to get more teams in, but my worry is if they go to groups of

three, I played in 1982 and there was a group of three and it was

really weird and it may introduce more penalty shoot-outs in the

qualifying shainltion rather than the knock-out -- stages rather than

the knock-out stages. The rounds that would have ensured that other

countries progressed. So that might be all right? Well, it is good TV

and not good for the countries and the players. I find it bizarre that

a country will qualify and play two matches and pack their bags and go

home. It is a great event and what they are trying to do is make it

more interesting, but there are certain ways where you can do that

and have groups of four and try and make sure that countries go there

and have at least three matches. Paul, as a Scotland supporter, tell

Terry Butcher what you think about an expanded World Cup. I think it is

good for Scotland because there is more places and there is more chance

that we might qualify, but as Terry knows, there is a lot more other

things that need to happen in Scotland before we will qualify. I

mean, I think the big picture this is all about Fifa getting more money

into the system. Where that money goes and how it is attributed to the

smaller nations would be the interest that we would have in it,

but undoubtedly, it is a bigger political game here that's going on

here at Fifa. Gina the Women's World Cup expanded from 16 to 24 teams.

What do you think about expanding the men's World Cup to 48? I can see

both sides of the argument. I think that it is a positive thing if there

is an incentive to get more people involved in the World Cup, to

develop the game worldwide. That's a positive. I am concerned about how

the format will work. Whether there will be a lot of one-sided fixtures

which happens in the women's game when you get different standards

qualifying. I mean, there will be, sorry to bring Terry back in, there

will be more one-sided fixtures, won't there? Yeah, there will be and

having played before in the format with three teams especially, it

depends what your sequence of games are. You could sit out the last game

and watch your fate be decided by other teams. It is quite bizarre in

many aspects. When you look at the amount of teams that Europe has in

the World Cup, it is 13 at the moment, they try and expand it to

16, it doesn't mean that Scotland will find it easier to qualify.

Sorry, back to Gina... For me, it is mainly about the money side. That's

all I can really point it down to. Sorry Gina, carry on. No, I was

going to say, if that's the motive and it isn't financially motivated

then obviously that's better. I mean, I've got the women's

prospective. Our funding is absolutely on a different level. I

think, actually, increasing the team would be more beneficial to the

women's game at the moment rather than the machine's game. Like you

said we've only just increased to 24 from 16 so we're still below what

the standard men's was and the women's team would benefit more from

the global stage. They get moreks posure. It is so hard for women's

football. So the World Cup is important. So the more teams that

can get involved in it. Let me bring in an England supporter. How would a

bigger World Cup affect England's chances of qualifying? It won't

affect it because the qualification process normally a piece of cake. It

is normally a walk in the park, but desite what has been said and our

friend from Scotland, they would welcome this because it gives them a

good chance of qualifying, but there is a lot of things that need to

change in Scottish football before they can even think about

qualification. But as Terry said, it is about money, but it is all about

money and politics. This is all about Fifa swelling their coffers

and it is about Infantino shoring up his vote. He is the new president.

It is about him shoring up his votes in Africa and Asia for the next time

he stands for election. From a fans point of view, how would an expanded

World Cup, what would it be like for you? World Cups are great to attend.

They're fantastic, but they are hard work as well for supporters, but

they're saying they're not going to expand the time. It will be done

within the six-week period, but an expanded World Cup, it will be

bloated and with that you lose the prestige and the sense of occasion.

I think that the quality of football will suffer. Right. For sure. We

will see. It is 2026. We might not be around by then! Hopefully

Scotland will qualify. By then, it is 20 years. We're lot laughing at

the expanse of Scottish football, absolutely not. Thank you for coming

on the programme. Next, we're going to show you some

absolutely fascinating footage which shows chimpanzees

in the Ivory Coast effectively entering the stone age -

by making unique tools to help Now the weather. Here is Carol, it

is getting colder. It is getting colder, Victoria is

right. Some of us will see some snow. Even at lower levels, but the

snow is not going to be everywhere. So let's take a look first of all at

today's weather forecast. What we have is a bright start in the east

with sunshine. Variable amounts of cloud. Some showers, but a weather

front coming in from the west will introduce rain. The rain is not

particularly heavy and as the whole system drifts towards the east, if

anything, the rain will become patchier and more drizzly. By the

afternoon it will well and truly have cleared Northern Ireland.

Bright skies and variable amounts of cloud and still a few showers across

Western Scotland, but a lot of dry weather across Scotland, although in

the Northern Isles, under the influence of the weather front,

there will be patchy rain. We're looking at some of that rain across

north-west England, getting into the Pennines, the cloud building ahead

of it, but as we come into Lincolnshire, much of East Anglia,

down into the South East, although yes, there will be cloud around,

equally some of us will see sunshine. Drifting further westwards

under the influence of the weather front once again, we're back into

the cloud and some spots of rain and into Wales, very similar story.

Again, a fair amount of cloud at times with the remnants of that

weather front. Now, through the course of the evening and overnight,

that clears altogether. We will see snow coming in on the mountains and

hills of Scotland. But the wind will be a notable feature of the weather.

Anywhere from North Wales, the North Midlands and the Wash, severe across

the far north of Scotland, but across the southern uplands and the

Pennines, we could have gusts up to 70mph. That could affect the higher

routes on the M62. Not just tonight, but tomorrow. If you're travelling

bear that in mind. Now, tomorrow, another very windy day. The same

areas looking at gusty conditions. It will be atrocious on the

mountains of Scotland because we will be seeing snow falling, but at

lower levels we could wintriness. It will feel cold if you're exposed to

the wind. Thursday, as you can tell from the squeeze in the isobars

further north, it will be a windy day. We've got this next system

coming in from the south-west. This really has been giving us a headache

as to how far north it does travel and that's a salient point of the

forecast because as it engages with the cold air, some of it will fall

as sleet or snow. At the moment, we think it's South Wales and parts of

Southern England and it is just on the leading edge that we will see

some of that sleet and snow. North of that, a lot of dry weather, but

snow showers at low levels across parts of Scotland and it will feel

cold. This morning, train delays

and cancellations again. There was an 11-year-old boy trying

to get to school, he could not get on. Everybody is out for themselves,

nobody wants to lose their job, you can hear the desperation in people's

voice. It is, please let me get on the train.

Barack Obama makes a speech today to mark the end of his presidency. What

will his legacy be? Slowdown! My goodness! I want to be

like you! Come on! What is the secret to still be dancing at 106?

We will look back at his eight years in the White House.

Also today, in an exclusive interview Nicole Kidman tells us why

she wants more children at the age of 49, but her husband

When people talk about regrets, do I have regrets?

I would have liked two or three more.

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

Commuters on Southern rail are facing the first of three

days of strikes by train drivers this week.

It's the latest industrial action in the dispute over plans

for drivers to open and close doors, which has been going

Drivers will walk out today, tomorrow and on Friday.

Southern has urged the Aslef union to get back around

Chris Grayling says the strike is not right and not fair.

A 15-year-old girl is being questioned by police

in York after the death of a seven-year-old girl.

The younger girl was found with life-threatening injuries

in the Woodthorpe area of the city yesterday afternoon.

She was taken to hospital but died a short time later.

Boris Johnson, who's visiting Washington,

says he's confident Britain will be first in line for a trade deal

The Foreign Secretary has been meeting senior

Republican politicians, who've promised to make a US-UK

President Obama warned in April that the UK would be at the back

The US owners of the messaging app Snapchat are to set up

a new international headquarters in the UK.

The company currently has 75 staff at its office in London

It says the UK's strong creative industries made it "a great place

The move is seen as positive for the technology sector,

as other companies such as Facebook and Google have based

themselves in Ireland, which offers lower tax breaks.

La La Land has had 11 nominators -- nominations for afters. British

actors Andrew Garfield, Emily Bunte and Hugh Grant are also nominated,

as is the British state welfare drama I Daniel Blake.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

In the past quarter of an hour, Fifa has unanimously voted

to increase the number of teams in the World Cup, from 32 to 48,

There'll be 16 groups of three teams, and the number of tournament

But the eventual winners will still play only seven games.

We can talk now to our Sports News Correspondent Alex Capstick,

who's live at Fifa headquarters in Zurich, where

Alex, we've been expecting this decision, despite concerns about it

diluting the quality of the tournament, so what's

It was always favoured to go through. They were offered five

different options, including the existing structure, but the

favourite one was always this structure, which you mentioned,

which will involve 16 groups of preteens, then a knockout stage of

32. The President knew he had lots of support throughout the world,

continents like Africa, Asia, the Americans, they all wanted greater

representation. They knew they could not get it in the existing system,

so they had to go for a bigger World Cup, and 48 seemed to work. It

involves the same number of matches for the finalists as in the 32 team

format, and the same duration, around 32 days. That alleviate fears

from the big clubs in Europe that it would place extra demands on the

players. It means a lot more money for Fifa, they will expect to earn

an extra $1 billion, 800 million pounds, in the tournament, with

profits around 4.2 billion. More money, and it'll make the president

very popular across the political landscape in football. Not everybody

has look on this so favourably, especially Germany and England, they

have been against this. A lot of the Europeans have objected to an

increase, they said the existing structure of 32 worked perfectly

well, it is a very good format. It has been in place since 1998, so why

bother changing something that works? Why fiddle with it? They are

concerned about a possible violation of the tournament. 16 extra teams,

but some of the games will be meaningless, they are also worried

about the third game in the group stage, where teams could manufacture

a result, which would be mutually beneficial. One of the ideas on the

table to counter that is to have a penalty shoot out when such matches

in the group stage are drawn, which would get rid of that potential

problem. I am back at 10:30am.

It's a new year, is it a new Jeremy Corbyn?

The Labour leader, who voted to remain in the EU,

now says the UK can be better off when Britain leaves,

but that continued full access to the single market is key.

He would like a cap placed on the highest earners to reduce

inequality. We have the worst levels of income

disparity of most of the OECD If we want to live in a more

egalitarian society and fund our public services,

we cannot go on creating worse There should be a law

to limit income? Forget a figure, a law

to limit maximum earnings? I would like to see it, I think it

would be a fairer thing to do. We cannot set ourselves up

as being a grossly-unequal, bargain-basement economy

on the shores of Europe. We have to be something

that is more egalitarian, gives real opportunities

to everybody, and properly Look at the crisis in

the NHS as an example. He later clarified that the pay cap

would be "somewhat higher" than the ?138,000 he earns as an MP

and Leader of the Opposition. The Labour leader who voted

to remain in the EU, also says the UK can be better off

when Britain leaves but that continued full access to the single

market is key So how will Mr Corbyn's ideas go down

with Labour supporters and MPs? We can speak now to Emma Reynolds,

a Labour MP who published her own proposals on how the party should

approach immigration I will talk to you about the pay

cap, because that was not trailed in advance, it came out of nowhere, it

took a few people by surprise. I have not seen the details. There are

no details. He is right to highlight the issue. The gap between the

lowest earners and highest earners is too wide. He is right to say that

we should not let the Conservatives and the right use Brexit is a chance

to turn Britain into a bargain basement economy on the shores of

Europe. We need to look at how best to do that. One of the proposals we

put forward and that the Conservatives took on temporarily

lost to put workers on board. The Prime Minister promised it but then

withdrew it. That is one way to ensure we have greater equality in

income. But we need to look at what people own, not just what they earn.

There is still a long way to go. Would you support your leader's

suggestion that legislation should be introduced for a maximum limit of

what you can earn, and after that it either goes to the Treasury or

whatever? I am not sure, I would like to see the details. I think

there are other ways you can go about tackling income inequality,

and he is right to highlight the issue. But not a maximum cap? Lets

see the detail, but I instinctively don't think it is the best way to

go. In terms of Labour's position now on immigration after the vote to

leave the EU, do you feel it is any clearer? Jeremy Corbyn has insisted

he is not wedded to the free movement of people. He would not put

a figure on what the ideal number of immigrants was, but he still wants

full access to the single market. How do you reconcile the two? I

welcome what he has said on free movement. There has to be change.

Kia Starmer has also said that in a speech before Christmas, that the

status quo is not an option. I would like to see more detail a game, we

will see the speech later today, about what managed migration really

means, what Jeremy is talking about. I think that just tackling

exportation is not go far enough. Stephen Kinnock and I proposed a two

tier system, whereby you can buy preference for EU workers over

non-EU workers but you do restrict the numbers in low skilled and

semiskilled repressions. I do think people want to see a fairer system

and they want to sue the Government have control over who comes in to

the country to work. If you did your proposal, how much would it bring

net immigration down by? Last year it was pre-30,000. I agree with

Jeremy, the Conservatives made a big mess on this, because by promising

to reduce the numbers... From your proposals, which you have worked on

family... It depends on the economy. The Tories have been wrong in the

last six years to try to say that they are going to bring immigration

down to the tens of thousands of. You are not going to fall into that

trap of putting a number on it. Our party leader is right to say we

should not do that. Under your proposals, net immigration could go

I would like to see the numbers come down, but I am not going to be...

Under your proposals, theoretically net immigration could go up, if you

say it is dependent on the economy. You have quotas. The emphasis is

that employers must train local people and give local young people

opportunities in these low skilled and semiskilled professions, and

there would be considered proposals in consultation with business and

trade unions, but there would be restrictions are numbers in certain

professions of. You know from Angela Merkel and other European leaders

that they say it is impossible for Britain to have full access to the

single market and to have some kind of control over net migration.

Jeremy Corbyn knows that. That is their starting point, but what we

said at the weekend was our position is different from the Conservatives'

and the Prime Minister. We think we should keep an element of preference

for EU workers over non-EU workers, and we are not the only country that

is having a conversation about immigration. Jeremy Corbyn's

position is not that different from some Conservatives, they want full

access to the single market and to patrol net migration. We want the

best possible access. You now sound like the Prime Minister. She has put

immigration above the economy, I think there has to be a balance

between the two. That me ask you about the reboot for Jeremy Corbyn.

Is it going to help him reach out to the wider electorate? I had so. He

said this morning that it is not a reboot as such. Whenever a party

leader does a speech in the New Year, people try to brand it as

something like a reboot or a relaunch. We do need to talk to

people who have turned away from Labour. That is critical.

Is that not happening yet? If we are just going to talk to people who are

going to vote Labour, that will not change anything. We need to reach

out to the people who lost confidence in the last election and

the one before that and we need it start reaching ot and if we don't,

we're not going to do very well. What sort of success are you looking

for from Jeremy Corbyn in the next cull of years? How will you measure

whether he's doing a good job or not? Well, today is a start. I think

it is right that our party talks about immigration. I think for too

long, under various leaders actually, we have been seen as a

party that doesn't want to talks about what is a very difficult and

sensitive issue and we need to take a balanced approach to it based on

our values, but Jeremy is right to talk about Brexit and about

immigration today and that's a good start. Household incomes, typical

household incomes rose ?600 to ?26300 after tax between 2015 and

2016. Figures just in from the Office for National Statistics. Any

thought on that? Gone up a little bit. I would like to see people

everywhere in the country do better than they're doing. I would like to

see a break in the sense that somehow the next generation won't do

better than this generation and I think it is not just about earnings,

I think it is about housing. There is a huge housing crisis in the

country and there are people who are sitting on assets worth billions of

pounds and people who can't get on the housing lad are and that can't

be right. There are young people here in London for example who are

really, really struggling to get on the housing ladderment they have to

move out of London to own their own home, to have the security of home

ownership. I don't think that's right. We have got to look more

broadly not just at income, but tax rates on capital and the

Conservatives have reduced inheritance tax and I think they

were wrong to do that and you know, the Labour Party doesn't need to

just look at the income disparity because there are many people,

entrepreneurs who earn a lot of money, but they have created a lot

of jobs so I think we need to not have a tax on aspiration, but we

need to look at the capital that people are sitting on as well. A

couple of comments from people watching. Great idea coming from

Jeremy Corbyn on maximum salaries. No public sector worker should be

earning some of the incredible amounts this they do. The private

sector incomes are much bigger than some of the public sector incomes.

There are Chief Executives of certain public sector bodies that

are on hundreds of thousands of pounds which this viewer is not

into. Paul e-mails, "Yet another Corbyn classic. Companies must offer

the global rate otherwise they will get inferior candidates. Such a move

restricts candidates." In the second part of our chat

with Nicole Kidman, she tells me the secret to her long happy

marriage and why she thinks we Can you believe it's a year

since David Bowie died? He had cancer and died two days

after his 69th birthday, having kept his illness hidden

from everyone except his family He'd only just released his 25th

album, Blackstar, which came to be seen as his "parting gift" to fans,

reflecting as it did on themes Tribute events are due to take

place around the world. His death left a hole in many

people's lives including our next I was learning about how to play

rhythm 'n' blues and learning how to write and finding out everything

that I read and any film that I saw, in a theatre, everything went into

mid-mind as being an influence. # Star man waiting in the sky. High

pressure he told us not to blow it. # Because it is all worthwhile. #

# Let's dance, put on your red shoes and dance the blues. #

I felt really comfortable going on stage as somebody else and it seemed

a rational decision to keep on doing that.

So I got quite besotted with the idea of just creating character

after character. # Put on your red shoes and dance

the blues.# # And Ziggy played

guitar.# So, George, you knew David

since you were kids? What are you thinking? I still can't

really get used to it. It is a tough one because he was a big part of my

life. You met at age nine... Yes, enrolling for the Cubs. OK. Kyoto

Treaties what nine-year-old David Bowie was like? -- can you tell us

what nine-year-old David Bowie was like? He was enthusiastic. The first

thing we started talking about was music and the music that was of the

time in 1956, you know, there was everything. Music was starting to

change drastically. We were in a good place. We wanted to get a group

together straightaway even though we were only nine years old! But we

did, while we were in the Cubs we did go around the cap fire singing a

few songs. Probably David's first public performance. Maybe. Maybe.

You cemented that friendship, I think, through your teenage years

and obviously he's grog up and then he starts to become incredibly

famous. Yeah. We were at the same secondary school together and while

I was at school, I was in a band and David, it was called the Conrads and

I told the guys that I had a friend who was learning to play the sax. I

managed to get him to join the band. That was the first hint. He did say

to me, you know, many times that this is what I want to do, you know,

this is it. I had my art because that's really what I wanted to do

was to be an artist in some way or another, but we did, we were in

bands together. David's first single was with the King Bees, we didn't

make any success out of it, but I could see then that David was

striving for star Dom was starting to, you know, become to fruition.

Yes. He invited you on tour and actually, there were times when he

just wanted you to stay on the whole tour and you thought, "I can't get

away with this. It looks like I'm doing nothing." You were just

married. That was the other complication. I got married in 1971

and David was at the wedding and the change from then to 1972 was

amazing. In one short year, one short time, you know, in that year

he changed from sort of a long hair hippie-type to this new persona he

found as Ziggy Stardust and he wanted me to go on the tour with him

to America which my wife and I, you couldn't turn that down. It was only

going to be for a couple weeks and he wanted me to do an album cover

for him, the man who travelled the world. We went on the QE2 first

class... Which he paid for? I was ready to do what - he wanted to take

me with him and that was great. Did you have a lot of laughs with him?

Well, I mean, he was hilarious. Absolutely hilarious, just on the

QE2, he went to dinner the first night in one of his stage outfits.

It was a big white Ziggy outfit with endlets on it and everything. --

endlilets and old ladies had their mouths open! He said I don't like

going down there. I said, "Why not?" He said, "Everybody is staring at

me." I said when you're wearing clothes like that. He stayed in bed

for the five-day-trip. He stayed in his room a lot. While we were there

with him, he put on a show for us. My wife and I would sit there just

being entertained. Are you thinking at this point, oh my god, David

Bowie is entertaining or are you thinking David, old mate since the

age of nine when we met at Cubs stop messing about? I tell you something,

when David got into a character, you couldn't take your eyes off him, he

was in that zone and that was fine. Afterwards, you would say, "Blimey,

that was good, Dave." With me and him it was always a down-to-earth

relationship. He wanted me as a companion really as well. And he

asked me after a couple of weeks, I took my own money with him and I had

spent it all. I would say we're going back now and I said well, I

have got things to do, I've got stuff. , "Why don't you come on the

rest of the tour?" "What three months all around America?" "Yes.

Yths I did do some work for him while I was there. I didn't want to

be hanging on all the time. No. I did that. He said, "Do you want to

come to Japan with us?" I thought, "Oh no, this is ridiculous." What

did your new wife say? She was Danish and it was all a bit strange,

well it would be strange for anyone being on a tour like that because it

was like a craze crisis circus as you can imagine, but I turned it

down. I said no. I had a career I wanted to pursue and he understood

that, but I often think back, I wonder, if I was such a good friend

to him as he was to me, you know? Do you? Sometimes. Thank you very much,

George. It's all right. Thank you for sharing your memories. You're

welcome. Don't get emotional, but I understand why. Thank you very much

for coming on the programme. Thank you.

Stay there a second. Thank you. News about the Post Office. I will

have to go into - yes. The Post Office is to close and franchise a

further 37 Crown Offices and that means 300 people will lose their

jobs and 127 financial specialist roles will also go. That's in from

the Communication Workers Union. And also this news just in, this is from

the police in Cumbria, north council buryia university Hospitals trust

called in the police after a small number of saline bags appear to have

been tampered. This was discovered on 4th January by a member of staff

who alerted senior clinicians straightaway. The trust implemented

its serious incident procedures and there is no indication that any

patients have been adversely affected, but the situation is being

monitored and the trust, as I said, have now called in Cumbria Police,

after a small number of saline bags appear to have been tampered with.

A 15-year-old girl has been arrested after the death

Fill us in Phil. Well, Victoria, beyond these police vans, the

scientific support vans lies a white forensics tent and that's where the

focus of this investigation is centring this morning. As you

mentioned a seven-year-old girl died in this area of York at around

4.30pm to 5pm last night. A 15-year-old girl has been arrested.

Now we have been talking to local people who say there was intense

police activity last night at 4.30pm to 5pm when this incident happened.

Detectives have been making door-to-door inquiries as they try

to build up a picture of what happened. We know the seven-year-old

was taken to York Hospital, but died a short time later. Now, North

Yorkshire Police are not saying too much at the moment, but they did

tweet last night, "A difficult late shift for all York staff with the

tragic death of a seven-year-old. Thoughts go out to all the family."

Beyond the white tent which you can perhaps see is an area of open land,

it is often used by dog walkers and people who indulge in recreation.

This is where the incident happened. The police are trying to build up a

picture to establish the circumstances of this event last

night. Victoria. Thank you. Snapchat is moving its international

headquarters to the UK. Snapchat is one of the

fastest-growing of the social media platforms. In America, Snapchat

launched quite a long time ago, but it is now booming, over 150 million

people worldwide that use it, and 10 million of them are in Britain. If

you have a teenage kid in Britain, they will be on Snapchat. The fact

they are moving to London is a thumbs up for London's post Brexit

economy, and it is surprising, because most companies move to low

tax havens, like Luxembourg, Ireland and the Netherlands.

Still to come, Nicole Kidman tells us about her happy marriage and the

pressure to look good in Hollywood. And at a macro closes the book on

his presidency with a farewell speech -- Barack Obama. We look at

his legacy. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news. North Cumbria hospitals trust has

called the police after a small number of saline bags appeared to

have been tampered with. The problem was discovered last Wednesday by a

member of staff, who alerted senior doctors. The trust says it

implemented its serious incident procedures and there is no

indication that any Haitians have been adversely affected. 'S any

patience. The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn

has criticised the gap between high-income earners

and the lowest paid, saying that a cap on earnings might produce

"a more-egalitarian society". Speaking to BBC Radio

4's Today programme, Mr Corbyn said he thought

introducing the limit would be If we want to live in a more

egalitarian society and fund our public services,

we cannot go on creating worse There should be a law

to limit income? Forget a figure, a law

to limit maximum earnings? I would like to see it, I think it

would be a fairer thing to do. As we've been hearing,

commuters on Southern rail are facing the first of three days

of strikes by train It's the latest industrial action

in a dispute over plans for drivers to open and close doors,

which has been going Drivers will also walk out

tomorrow and on Friday. Virtually no services

are now running. The Transport Secretary Chris

Grayling has condemned the strike on Southern rail,

saying it is "simply not The Hollywood musical

La La Land leads nominations for this year's Baftas,

with 11 nods, including Best Film. Its stars Ryan Gosling

and Emma Stone are also up for Best Actor and Actress,

just a day after winning British actors Andrew Garfield,

Emily Blunt and Hugh Grant are also nominated, as is British state

welfare drama I, Daniel Blake. The ceremony takes place

in London on February 12th. Join me for BBC

Newsroom Live at 11am. More on the news that para-cyclists

have been given just seven weeks to prepare for their Track World

Championship. Jody Cundy is with me, you won two

gold medals at the Rio Games. And I've seen your tweets,

will you be competing? I am ever professional, if I did not

go, I would be a hypocrite, but for it to be such last-minute, it is

seven weeks, for athletes preparing it is not time to do it. For

organisations and teams to sort out logistics, visas, transport, Hotel

is, it is a bit crazy. I don't know if there is an all too real motive,

but it seems a bit strange that it has become so late in the day. A lot

of the athletes after September have not gone into full-time training

yet, so how will this affect the quality of the event? By our

standards, a lot of us have only just started going back on our

bikes. I started in December, I saw a couple of others for the first

time this week. In seven weeks, we have a World Championship, and we

have to be in prime condition, it is a bit crazy. I cannot imagine some

of the nations even have the money to do it, because most of the

funding is a four-year cycle, and the Paralympics would have been the

end of the cycle, and I do not think the cycle for the Tokyo cycle -- the

money for the Tokyo cycle has come through yet. If we are going to be

struggling, we are the best funded, so I do not know what will happen.

Why you think it has been so rushed? I don't know. I ashamed there must

be some hidden agenda somewhere. I would like to guess,... Have you

speaking to them about this? I spoke to Sarah Storey, who is on the

commission, about what was going on behind the scenes, and she seemed

just as angry as what I am. It is one of those things, it should be an

annual event, it should be up there for them to move towards it being a

sustainable event in the future, but doing it this way is not going to

give us the best president that we needed.

Next, chimpanzees, creating tools to help them drink water, like the

Stone Age. I told you it was good. If you think

that was good, you will want to watch the BBC's new documentary on

Thursday night. Cameras are concealed within lifelike robots,

tracking how animals interact with them in the wild. The first

programme features a robust monkeys which mistake a robot is one of

their own and go into a state of grief when the robot is dropped from

a height. A team of spy creatures is on a

mission. To uncover the secret lives of wild animals. They're hidden

cameras capture extraordinary behaviour. What they reveal will

surprise, amaze and make you smile. Maybe they are more like us than we

ever thought possible. This morning we've been bringing

you an exclusive interview with Nicole Kidman about her role

in today's Bafta-nominated Here, in the second part

of our chat, she opens up about her desire to become a mother

again at 49, the secret to her long happy marriage and why she thinks

we should all be getting behind I started by asking

her about the pressure I'm primarily concerned

with creating a character, so the look that has nothing

to do with it. Do I want to go to a red carpet,

put on a beautiful dress, do my make-up and, you know,

as though I'm going to a nice party? But that's what that

is, that's a party. This is, when you're doing the work,

it's what's required for the role. I just did Top Of The Lake

with Jane Campion, and I wore the most beautiful grey hair,

thick grey hair. Plenty of our audience will have

seen the publicity shots, actually, That's what I'm interested in now,

is the way in which we've been given, as women,

so many things, we can wear hair extensions,

we can wear make-up, There are so many different ways

in which we can blur the lines now, and therefore blur our ages,

blur who we are and how we are seen, and that's fantastic,

because that's choice. Ultimately, that's what we want

as women, is choice, our choice. Although, I interviewed

Julie Walters earlier this year, and she said if she went

to Hollywood now, she would be regarded as a freak, she thought,

because she looks like a woman I'd be grateful to

cast her in something. You've spoken before about hoping,

quote, hoping every month that you might be pregnant,

and your grandmother, I read, When people talk about regrets,

do I have regrets, I wish My husband says, "That

is the wanting mind, How many more children

would you have liked? I would have liked probably two

or three more children. And I love being around and I love

the ups and downs and I love watching them grow and the things

they say and teach. And that is the one

regret in your life? I hate to use the word regret,

because I have no regrets in terms of I'm so blessed,

but would I enjoy giving two And I used to be far more

comfortable with children You said you would

consider adopting again. He's like, "I'm done, baby,

I'm done, let's just But, you know, that's the balance

of a relationship, isn't it? I would never go against what he

wanted in terms of our family. He's right in the way,

there's only a certain amount of time and you want to be able

to give the time to You're now in the middle of a

relationship discussion, may I add! From your own experience,

what is the key to that Because I think humility in that

regard is probably the biggest thing you can have in a relationship,

which is grateful to have it, contributing to it, prioritising it,

and never sort of preaching Because I think everyone's

relationship is their own. We all know what goes

on behind closed doors What works for us doesn't

work for other people. I met somebody...I always

say I love and I like. You have joint US-Australian

citizenship and you voted in the US What do you think of

President-elect Trump? I'm always reticent to start

commenting politically. I've never done it

in terms of America. So, I just say we as a country

needs to support whoever is the President, because that's

what the country's based on. And whatever, however that happened,

he's there and let's go. Let's go and, for me,

I'm very committed to women's issues in terms of I do a lot

of fundraising for UN Women and I do I also do an enormous

amount of fundraising for breast and ovarian cancer,

because that's something that's They are my issues that

I'm very attached to. Can I ask you about another issue

in Australia, the big debate Kylie Minogue saying

she will not get married What do you say to Australian

politicians who do not support it? I believe in allowing

people who love each other to share their lives together

and to honour it. I really believe that we should stay

out of people's business I laugh when people love each

other and want that to be acknowledged legally,

because that's protection, as well, but it's also a way

in which you sound committed. Thank you very much

for talking to us. Thank you for having me and thanks

for asking such great questions. Lion is released on 20th January

in cinemas nationwide. And you can watch our interview

with Nicole in full on our programme In ten days' time Donald Trump

will officially be inaugurated as the 45th President

of the United States. Tonight, after eight

years in the White House, Barack Obama will give

a farewell speech. During his time in office,

Obama's contended with a global financial crisis and Syria's decent

into war, and been frustrated He's also introduced Obamacare,

which makes it easier for Americans Here he is eight years ago,

when as the United States' first black President his election offered

many new hope. Since then he's been accused

of failing to do enough to tackle issues of racism

and police brutality. So what does Barack Obama

think his own legacy will be? Eight years in office

and lots of decisions. Does President Obama

have any regrets? Well, we couldn't ask him

directly, but he has spoken Libya, last year, a Fox News host

asked Obama a simple question. Probably failing to plan for the day

after when I think was the right Obama told the Atlantic magazine

he misjudged two things. First, how much tribal

divisions would play a role in post-Gaddafi Libya and second,

how little he would be able to rely on France and the UK to help

rebuild the country. Of course, those governments didn't

quite see it that way. Guns, a lot of mass shootings

happened on Obama's watch. Here he is in 2015

talking to the BBC. The one area where I feel that I've

been most frustrated and most stymied, we don't have sufficient

common sense gun safety laws. Even in the face of

repeated mass killings. Here is the President a year ago

giving his last State It is one of the few regrets

of my presidency that the rancour and the suspicion

between the parties has gotten I have no doubt a President

with the gifts of Eisenhower or Roosevelt might have

better bridged the divide. On this issue, Obama really

seems to compare himself The President later told Vanity Fair

that maybe he could have got more done in he had the genius

of Abraham, the charm of FDR, the energy of Teddy Roosevelt

or the legislative Guantanamo Bay, Obama campaigned

on a promise to close And President-elect Trump wants

to keep it that way. We're going to load it up

with some bad dudes. So when a seventh grader in Ohio

asked Obama what he wished he had done differently on his

first day in office... Close Guantanamo Bay

on the first day. I didn't because at that time

as you will recall we had a by-partisan agreement that it

should be closed and I thought we had enough consensus

that we could do in a more Finally, Syria, Syria Obama has said

haunts him constantly, but he told Vanity Fair

that he doesn't necessarily regret how he has handled the conflict,

still he said, "I do ask myself was there something

that we hadn't thought of? Was there some move that's

beyond what is being presented to me that maybe a Churchill

could have seen? No doubt President Obama

will reflect on his decisions Politics and his regrets aside,

he's created some memorable moments at the White House,

dancing and singing like no other Then to know that the reverend

Al Green was here. Last week, Prince George showed up

to our meeting in his bath robe. I want to be like

you when I grow up. So what's the secret

to still dancing at 106? # And when I knew I had

to face another day. # Lord, it made me

feel so tired.# That's the most persistent

fly I've ever seen. # Amazing Grace,

how sweet the sound. # I once was lost,