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I'm Victoria Derbyshire and welcome to the programme. | :00:08. | :00:13. | |
Police are investigating a possible Islamist link to the three | :00:14. | :00:15. | |
explosions which hit the Borussia Dortmund | :00:16. | :00:18. | |
team bus last night - that's according to German media | :00:19. | :00:21. | |
We will have the latest on the investigation and speak | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
TRANSLATION: A letter was found near the blast scene. Due to the ongoing | :00:27. | :00:36. | |
investigation, I can't give more information. The authenticity is | :00:37. | :00:38. | |
being investigated. Also today, an exclusive | :00:39. | :00:41. | |
interview with Scottish nurse Pauline Cafferkey, | :00:42. | :00:43. | |
who tells us she's going to Sierra Leone where | :00:44. | :00:47. | |
she contracted ebola, a disease which, twice, | :00:48. | :00:49. | |
almost killed her. That's kind of where things started | :00:50. | :00:56. | |
for me and I've had a terrible couple of years since then so it | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
would be good to go back just for things to come full circle for me | :01:00. | :01:05. | |
and a little bit of closure and end up with something good. | :01:06. | :01:08. | |
That full interview coming up at 9.15am. | :01:09. | :01:11. | |
And the US government is turning up the heat on Russia over its support | :01:12. | :01:14. | |
America's top diplomat is in Moscow for talks with his opposite number. | :01:15. | :01:29. | |
Hello and welcome to the programme. We're live until 11am. | :01:30. | :01:31. | |
Also coming up later, we have an exclusive report on how | :01:32. | :01:34. | |
Cambridgeshire County Council failed to protect a 15-year-old girl | :01:35. | :01:37. | |
from being sexually abused by her teacher, despite warnings. | :01:38. | :01:48. | |
The Victims' Commissioner, Baroness Newlove, tells us that | :01:49. | :01:50. | |
teachers and social workers should be prosecuted if they fail to flag | :01:51. | :01:52. | |
child sexual abuse concerns to stop cases like this. | :01:53. | :01:55. | |
Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning. | :01:56. | :01:58. | |
Use the hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
Police in Germany say they're investigating a possible Islamist | :02:02. | :02:06. | |
link to last night's attack on the Borussia Dortmund | :02:07. | :02:08. | |
Three explosions hit the bus, which was taking the club's players | :02:09. | :02:11. | |
to their Champions League quarter-final against Monaco. | :02:12. | :02:14. | |
Police say they believe the club was deliberately targeted. | :02:15. | :02:16. | |
Forensic teams have spent the night examining the blast site. | :02:17. | :02:24. | |
Three devices in what police described as a targeted attack | :02:25. | :02:27. | |
exploded as the players' bus left their hotel shortly after 7pm. | :02:28. | :02:31. | |
It's believed the explosives were hidden in a hedge and were | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
But two panes at the back shattered, injuring Spanish | :02:36. | :02:43. | |
international Marc Bartra, who has undergone surgery. | :02:44. | :02:44. | |
At a press conference held soon afterwards, | :02:45. | :02:50. | |
a spokesman for the team gave an update on his condition. | :02:51. | :02:54. | |
TRANSLATION: Marc Bartra is being operated on right now | :02:55. | :02:57. | |
for a broken bone in his right hand and he has got various glass shards | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
The team, through captain Marcel Schmelzer, just rang me. | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
They're still very shocked and thinking about Marc. | :03:07. | :03:08. | |
The police are still trying to establish who was behind | :03:09. | :03:14. | |
An official from the state prosecutor revealed that a letter | :03:15. | :03:17. | |
TRANSLATION: I can say a letter was found near the blast scene. | :03:18. | :03:26. | |
At the moment, due to the ongoing investigation, I can't give more | :03:27. | :03:29. | |
The authenticity is being investigated. | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
The devices exploded about ten kilometres | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
The match has been postponed until later today. | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
The world of football has come together in wishing Bartra a full | :03:44. | :03:46. | |
recovery and condemning the attack, which has unsettled | :03:47. | :03:48. | |
Our correspondent Gavin Lee is in Dortmund for us now. | :03:49. | :04:03. | |
So the police are looking at an Islamist link, but presumably, | :04:04. | :04:12. | |
far-right hooliganism too? Well, it is interesting Victoria. In the past | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
30 minutes most of the German media have suddenly come out with details | :04:18. | :04:24. | |
of what is purportedly in this letter which was found near the | :04:25. | :04:27. | |
scene. It is reported this was a letter that said in the name of | :04:28. | :04:33. | |
Allah. It went into detail about how German sports stars, how German | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
high-profile people would continue to be targeted because of the | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
tornadoes that were being flown and targeting so-called Islamic State in | :04:43. | :04:45. | |
Syria and also there was a suggestion that there was a link to | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
the Berlin attack and that was a reprisal from the arrest that | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
followed with the man who was shot dead, the lorry truck attacker later | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
on in Milan. He spent sometime here in Dortmund. The investigation stage | :04:59. | :05:03. | |
has moved from Dortmund police to the Federal Police which suggests it | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
is terrorism is the main theme of the investigation, however, at the | :05:08. | :05:11. | |
moment, the police are stopping short from saying that. What we know | :05:12. | :05:14. | |
officially from the police is this was a letter that purports to claim | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
responsibility, but they are checking authenticity. If the | :05:19. | :05:21. | |
contents, which is widely reported here is true, it maybe a first | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
attempt to deceive if it is another area of investigation that they are | :05:27. | :05:29. | |
looking at. So we are expecting another press conference later | :05:30. | :05:32. | |
today, but suggestions at this investigation is turning somewhat. | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
OK, that's interesting. In the meantime the game will be, has been | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
rescheduled for this evening. Swift rescheduling. What are people saying | :05:42. | :05:48. | |
about that? It is, a few minutes ago, there was some football fan | :05:49. | :05:51. | |
from Monaco walking past and I spoke to them. Interesting actually how | :05:52. | :05:54. | |
many people stayed in people's houses here in Germany. There was a | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
tweet that went out, a hashtag open door for away fans. A lot of people | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
took advantage of that. A lot of families put people up for the | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
night. We saw the same thing after the Brussels attacks and the Nice | :06:08. | :06:14. | |
attack, the Brussels attack. I was in the hotel where the Monaco team | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
are staying. I spoke to the coach driver. He said he was worried about | :06:19. | :06:23. | |
taking this journey tonight. The coach was surrounded by police. | :06:24. | :06:32. | |
There is a sense of security ahead of the game. | :06:33. | :06:34. | |
Annita McVeigh is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary | :06:35. | :06:37. | |
The US Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, is meeting his | :06:38. | :06:43. | |
Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov in Moscow this morning, less | :06:44. | :06:46. | |
than a week after the United States bombed an air base in Syria. | :06:47. | :06:48. | |
He wants to persuade the Kremlin to drop its support for the current | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
Syrian regime and its President, Bashar al-Assad. | :06:53. | :06:53. | |
As a former oil executive, Mr Tillerson is more used | :06:54. | :07:03. | |
to arriving in Moscow for business deals. | :07:04. | :07:04. | |
This political mission may prove more difficult. | :07:05. | :07:07. | |
Russia, he said on Tuesday, bears a heavy responsibility | :07:08. | :07:10. | |
It is unclear whether Russia has failed to take this obligation | :07:11. | :07:26. | |
seriously or whether rush is incompetent, but this distinction | :07:27. | :07:35. | |
doesn't matter much to the dead. The US fired missiles at a Syrian | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
air base, an act condemned by Syria's ally, Russia. Vladimir Putin | :07:41. | :07:45. | |
appeared to harden his stance accusing opposition forces of | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
planning further attacks. TRANSLATION: We have information | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
from various sources that similar provocations, I can't call them any | :07:55. | :07:57. | |
differently, are being prepared in other parts of Syria too. Including | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
the southern suburbs of Damascus where they're preparing to release | :08:03. | :08:08. | |
some sort of substance again. Whilst G7 ministers couldn't agree on new | :08:09. | :08:11. | |
sanctions yesterday, they did endorse a joint call for Russia to | :08:12. | :08:16. | |
abandon Assad, but right now, it seems that message may fall on deaf | :08:17. | :08:18. | |
ears. President Trump's spokesman, | :08:19. | :08:27. | |
Sean Spicer, has apologised for saying that Adolf Hitler didn't | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
use chemical weapons. Mr Spicer made the remark | :08:32. | :08:33. | |
in a White House press briefing, as he answered questions | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
about the war in Syria. The Anne Frank Centre, | :08:39. | :08:44. | |
which campaigns for human rights, described Mr Spicer's comment | :08:45. | :08:46. | |
as an "evil slur" and said he now Britain's biggest supermarket chain, | :08:47. | :08:49. | |
Tesco, has reported a 30% rise It made more than ?1.2 billion | :08:50. | :08:54. | |
in the last financial year. Like-for-like sales, | :08:55. | :09:01. | |
which strip out the impact of new store openings, | :09:02. | :09:03. | |
grew 1% in the year to February. The company's chief | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
executive Dave Lewis said It's no surprise that the industry | :09:07. | :09:07. | |
has been under pressure, but it's been under pressure | :09:08. | :09:15. | |
for the last three Actually, I think that where we sit | :09:16. | :09:17. | |
as Tesco now is stronger than Our partnerships with our suppliers | :09:18. | :09:25. | |
have never been stronger. Actually, whilst we see | :09:26. | :09:28. | |
some of the challenges you are talking about, | :09:29. | :09:30. | |
we feel more confident about our ability to deal with them | :09:31. | :09:32. | |
and perhaps we did just The nurse Pauline Cafferkey, | :09:33. | :09:35. | |
who contracted ebola in Sierra leone in 2014, | :09:36. | :09:38. | |
has told this programme she's The 41-year-old says she has no fear | :09:39. | :09:40. | |
about returning to Sierra Leone, Ms Cafferkey told Victoria she hopes | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
the trip, which is to raise funds for orphaned children, | :09:46. | :09:51. | |
will give her closure after what she describes | :09:52. | :09:52. | |
as a "pretty tough couple of years". And you can see Pauline Cafferkey's | :09:53. | :09:59. | |
interview with Victoria shortly. The head of United Airlines has | :10:00. | :10:04. | |
apologised for what he called the "truly horrific" incident | :10:05. | :10:06. | |
in which a passenger was forcibly dragged, | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
screaming, from a flight. Footage of David Dao being removed | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
from the overbooked plane was posted on social media and sparked | :10:14. | :10:16. | |
a backlash against the company. The chief executive, Oscar Munoz, | :10:17. | :10:22. | |
said, "I deeply apologise to the customer forcibly removed | :10:23. | :10:24. | |
and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be | :10:25. | :10:27. | |
mistreated this way." Originally he had maintained staff | :10:28. | :10:29. | |
had followed established procedures. A fashion advert for Selfridges has | :10:30. | :10:38. | |
been cleared by the advertising standards watchdog over a complaint | :10:39. | :10:41. | |
that the model looked A promotional e-mail showed | :10:42. | :10:43. | |
the woman standing side It prompted a reader | :10:44. | :10:49. | |
to complain she was too thin and question whether the advert | :10:50. | :10:54. | |
was socially irresponsible. However, the Advertising | :10:55. | :10:56. | |
Standards Authority judged that the model did not appear | :10:57. | :10:58. | |
to be "significantly underweight". A voter registration site that | :10:59. | :11:05. | |
crashed in the run-up to last year's EU referendum could have been | :11:06. | :11:07. | |
targeted by a foreign cyber attack, The "register to vote" site crashed | :11:08. | :11:10. | |
on 7th June last year just before the deadline for people to sign | :11:11. | :11:15. | |
up to vote. The Government and electoral | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
administrators blamed a surge But MPs on the Parliamentary Public | :11:20. | :11:21. | |
Administration Committee say a foreign cyber attack could not | :11:22. | :11:28. | |
be ruled out. In Nigeria a senior commander | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
at the country's road safety organisation has been disciplined | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
after he was pictured cutting female Photos showing the male | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
commander taking a pair of scissors to the women's hair | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
during an inspection parade have One female aide to the president | :11:48. | :11:50. | |
condemned the haircuts A shrimp which makes some | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
of the loudest sounds in the ocean has been named after | :11:55. | :12:02. | |
the rock band, Pink Floyd. It might not sound like it | :12:03. | :12:14. | |
but the pistol shrimp, synalpheus pinkfloydi can | :12:15. | :12:17. | |
use its claw to create a sound louder than a gunshot | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
and is powerful enough That's a summary of the latest BBC | :12:22. | :12:22. | |
News - more at 9.30am. If you are getting in touch with us, | :12:23. | :12:35. | |
you're very welcome. Let's get some sport | :12:36. | :12:43. | |
from Jessica, we've been hearing about the Dortmund team bus | :12:44. | :12:45. | |
explosions, but the match It will be a really strange | :12:46. | :12:53. | |
atmosphere though? Despite the distressing scenes we saw yesterday, | :12:54. | :12:59. | |
the match will still go ahead at 5.45pm tonight and thousands of fans | :13:00. | :13:02. | |
were already in the stadium last night before the announcement was | :13:03. | :13:07. | |
made just 15 minutes before kick off of that rescheduled match. Many of | :13:08. | :13:12. | |
the Monaco fans, once the news started to come in, of the Prost | :13:13. | :13:17. | |
ponement and news of the team bus kind of being attacked, many of the | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
Monaco fans chanting support for the Dortmund team and the players and | :13:23. | :13:29. | |
that show of solidarity continued as Monaco fans opened, Dortmund fans | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
opened up their homes and greeted the Monaco fans who needed time to | :13:34. | :13:38. | |
stay in the German capital for another night and despite the chaos, | :13:39. | :13:41. | |
I think, it was good to see that the football world really came together | :13:42. | :13:45. | |
last night. And we know that incredibly only one | :13:46. | :13:50. | |
player was slightly injured? Yes, that was defender, Marc Bartra, who | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
went to hospital for minor surgery on a wrist injury. He is 26-year-old | :13:56. | :13:59. | |
old and one of the players that was sitting next to him on the coach, | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
the goalkeeper, he toll the Swiss paper after the bang, we all ducked | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
in the bus and those who could, threw themselves to the ground. We | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
were all shocked. Nobody thought of a football match in this moment. It | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
makes you wonder about the mentality of the players, Victoria and whether | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
they will be able to kind of shut out what happened and be able to get | :14:20. | :14:22. | |
on with that football match this evening. Yes. And we've got another | :14:23. | :14:28. | |
big night in Leicester's history? Yes, their first ever Champions | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
League quarterfinal. But they're up against a team that's been in the | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
final of this competition twice in the past three seasons, Atletico | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
Madrid. Now, their captain has travelled with the squad. But is not | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
thought to be fit enough to start the match. I think this will be an | :14:47. | :14:49. | |
experience that the Leicester players will truly relish as you can | :14:50. | :14:55. | |
see, they are on the pitch there taking selfies and videos of the | :14:56. | :14:59. | |
stadium. Extra police have been lining the streets of Madrid after | :15:00. | :15:06. | |
that attack on Dortmund. And Atletico's record, well, definitely | :15:07. | :15:09. | |
makes Leicester the under dogs, but you know of Leicester and the | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
fairytale football stories they have come up in recent seasons, you never | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
know, they could be on for a win. They could be, yeah and they like | :15:19. | :15:21. | |
being under dogs, thanks, Jess. In an exclusive interview | :15:22. | :15:26. | |
with this programme, Scottish nurse Pauline Cafferkey has | :15:27. | :15:28. | |
revealed that she is going back to the country where | :15:29. | :15:31. | |
she contracted Ebola - a disease which twice | :15:32. | :15:33. | |
nearly killed her. She says she hopes the trip, | :15:34. | :15:35. | |
which is to raise funds for orphaned children there, | :15:36. | :15:38. | |
will give her closure after It was in December 2014 that Pauline | :15:39. | :15:40. | |
became ill and suffered multiple organ failure having caught | :15:41. | :15:47. | |
the disease whilst helping ebola In our wide-ranging interview | :15:48. | :15:50. | |
she says that being subjected to a Public Health England | :15:51. | :15:56. | |
investigation after a relaps, was massively stressful and she also | :15:57. | :15:59. | |
reveals that she was so paranoid about Ebola coming back, | :16:00. | :16:04. | |
she carried a thermometer Really happy with how my | :16:05. | :16:06. | |
health is and things. What kind of lasting physical | :16:07. | :16:17. | |
effects has Ebola had on you? As a result of the meningitis, | :16:18. | :16:22. | |
certain parts of my body are a bit numb or a bit painful as a result | :16:23. | :16:38. | |
of the nerve damage. Even in the past couple | :16:39. | :16:41. | |
of months I've noticed small My health is not what it was before, | :16:42. | :16:44. | |
but it's pretty much as good as it's going to get, | :16:45. | :16:49. | |
and I'm really happy with that. What is the difference | :16:50. | :16:51. | |
between now and before you had In a physical sense I think | :16:52. | :16:54. | |
I was used to being so fit and doing It was a big part of my life | :16:55. | :16:59. | |
and then the first time round, the first time I had Ebola, | :17:00. | :17:05. | |
it was OK. I managed to get back to sort | :17:06. | :17:09. | |
of normal health and then obviously had a relapse with meningitis, | :17:10. | :17:12. | |
which badly affected me. There was a relapse | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
and then meningitis. The relapse was a result | :17:17. | :17:20. | |
of me having Ebola. The Ebola caused meningitis | :17:21. | :17:26. | |
and I had chronic meningitis What about the sort | :17:27. | :17:28. | |
of psychological side of things? Surprisingly, they've been | :17:29. | :17:41. | |
pretty good, actually. It's been a pretty | :17:42. | :17:44. | |
tough couple of years. I'm not particularly | :17:45. | :17:52. | |
a sentimental kind of person. I don't sit and analyse | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
things greatly which has And at one point, I think, you felt | :17:58. | :17:59. | |
so ill, you actually wanted to die. Is that right? | :18:00. | :18:10. | |
Yeah. Can you tell me a little | :18:11. | :18:12. | |
bit about that? It was the first time | :18:13. | :18:14. | |
when I was really, I think there was a lot | :18:15. | :18:19. | |
going on medical wise. I just remember people | :18:20. | :18:27. | |
being around me and having a lot of intervention at the time | :18:28. | :18:30. | |
and it was too much. I was in pain and probably suffering | :18:31. | :18:34. | |
at the time and after that I don't What did Ebola actually | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
do to your body? So, it's really | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
multiple organ failure. The vomiting and diarrhoea you have | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
is so profuse that the organs can't keep up with it | :18:49. | :18:51. | |
and the organs start failing. So it affects many parts | :18:52. | :18:55. | |
of the body in the acute stage. There are long-term | :18:56. | :19:02. | |
repercussions as well. I thought, well when I was first | :19:03. | :19:04. | |
told that I had it, I thought that my chances would be pretty good | :19:05. | :19:17. | |
and certainly more so than had I got it when I was in | :19:18. | :19:20. | |
Sierra Leone and been treated So I knew that having access | :19:21. | :19:23. | |
to the NHS and being treated by the NHS, my chances | :19:24. | :19:41. | |
would be much higher, a doubt, if I wasn't treated here, | :19:42. | :19:43. | |
I would be dead now. The after effects of the meningitis, | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
so the relapse that I had I was just destroyed, | :19:49. | :19:58. | |
my body was destroyed. I was in a wheelchair initially | :19:59. | :20:01. | |
when I got out of hospital and then I was on crutches and sticks | :20:02. | :20:08. | |
and it's been a long, long, slow process and I'm | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
still in a stage of healing really. You saw people dying in large | :20:14. | :20:22. | |
numbers of this disease as part 11,000 people died in total, | :20:23. | :20:25. | |
and now you're going back. I'm going back next | :20:26. | :20:33. | |
month with a small UK They're doing some great things | :20:34. | :20:43. | |
in Sierra Leone and every year they have a Sierra Leone marathon | :20:44. | :20:51. | |
and I'm going back there with them. I definitely wouldn't be | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
up for the marathon, but I plan to do 10K while I'm | :20:57. | :21:04. | |
there, help with some fundraising and Street Child's identified 1200 | :21:05. | :21:13. | |
children who are particularly vulnerable and they were orphaned | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
as a result of Ebola. So it'll be great to go out | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
there and see Sierra Leone itself in a different state and also know | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
that I might be able to help as well I think psychologically it's | :21:27. | :21:30. | |
important as well that I go back. That's where things kind of started | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
for me and I've had a terrible So it'll be good to go back, | :21:36. | :21:38. | |
just for things to come full circle for me and a little bit of closure, | :21:39. | :21:44. | |
and end up with something good, Can you recall some | :21:45. | :21:50. | |
of the situations you were in when you were there | :21:51. | :22:02. | |
in 2014, trying to help families, | :22:03. | :22:04. | |
to treat patients? There's only one occasion | :22:05. | :22:06. | |
in particular where it was a boy that witnessed the death | :22:07. | :22:09. | |
of his mother. So in that situation, | :22:10. | :22:10. | |
how old was this boy? And his mother is dying from Ebola | :22:11. | :22:13. | |
and you're trying to presumably keep her comfortable | :22:14. | :22:21. | |
in her last hours. Yeah, because she was | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
end of life, yeah. He was just distraught, | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
as you would be. And he'd lost other members | :22:30. | :22:36. | |
of his family as well, so... I don't know what | :22:37. | :22:42. | |
happened to him after. Is he someone that you might be | :22:43. | :22:47. | |
able to try and seek It's Ebola free and has been | :22:48. | :22:50. | |
for some time now, Sierra Leone. There might who some who say, | :22:51. | :23:08. | |
what are you doing? Most people have been supportive | :23:09. | :23:11. | |
if they know I'm going back. I've had a few people, | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
like family and friends, who have said just be careful | :23:16. | :23:21. | |
when you get back there. I'm not going there with any | :23:22. | :23:24. | |
trepidation or anything like that. What do you think the public's | :23:25. | :23:29. | |
reaction will be to you going back? I think after everything that's | :23:30. | :23:37. | |
happened, the general public have So I think they would, | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
well, think the same, I'm going there for | :23:43. | :23:51. | |
a good cause as well. Physically, how will you find | :23:52. | :23:59. | |
running 10K do you think? I'm not a big fan of running at all, | :24:00. | :24:01. | |
so it's going to be hard. But like I said, this time last year | :24:02. | :24:11. | |
I couldn't even run and now I can, so it will be tough, | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
but I'm up for the challenge. I did, yeah, especially | :24:16. | :24:21. | |
after having a relapse, and it's not so long ago that | :24:22. | :24:34. | |
I was carrying a thermometer with me I guess from this year onwards, | :24:35. | :24:45. | |
I'm not thinking that way at all. I'm pretty positive | :24:46. | :24:53. | |
it's not going to happen. Not only did you come | :24:54. | :24:55. | |
close to dying twice, but you were then accused of putting | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
the public at risk by hiding your high temperature | :25:01. | :25:06. | |
at the Public Health England unit before being allowed to fly | :25:07. | :25:08. | |
to Glasgow from Heathrow, and accused of taking paracetamol | :25:09. | :25:10. | |
deliberately to reduce You were cleared after a two-day | :25:11. | :25:12. | |
hearing when the Nursing and Midwifery Council panel | :25:13. | :25:25. | |
ruled that you were in a diminished medical | :25:26. | :25:27. | |
state and merely swept along by events and found | :25:28. | :25:29. | |
there was absolutely no attempt to mislead anybody. | :25:30. | :25:31. | |
Certainly not the PHE doctors. How do you reflect on the fact that | :25:32. | :25:34. | |
you were investigated? I don't hold anything | :25:35. | :25:36. | |
against the Nursing They were just purely | :25:37. | :25:39. | |
doing their job. It kind of came | :25:40. | :25:46. | |
at a really bad time. It was very difficult for me | :25:47. | :25:50. | |
with my physical health, so it was a massive stress on me | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
when I was already going I have been, but I did | :25:55. | :25:57. | |
leave the screening area, You know, I was very annoyed | :25:58. | :26:13. | |
with myself at the time that I did leave it, | :26:14. | :26:21. | |
but that was rectified pretty fast. And I guess, if anything, | :26:22. | :26:28. | |
I just feel disappointed with Public Health England and how | :26:29. | :26:30. | |
they looked after me when I was in Heathrow, | :26:31. | :26:36. | |
and I can't really say a great deal about it because I think | :26:37. | :26:39. | |
things are still ongoing. You say you're disappointed, | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
why do you think they took Why do you think | :26:45. | :26:46. | |
they investigated you? Because I left the screening area | :26:47. | :27:12. | |
when I had a fever and didn't You said you felt guilty | :27:13. | :27:15. | |
about having left that screening area and you started | :27:16. | :27:18. | |
to question yourself. No, I don't, because I was really | :27:19. | :27:21. | |
unwell at the time under rather I'd been travelling for 24 hours, | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
and finished on night But no, I don't feel | :27:26. | :27:29. | |
guilty about that now. As I said, you were cleared | :27:30. | :27:32. | |
after that two-day hearing. There has been no public apology | :27:33. | :27:36. | |
from Public Health England. Is that the end of the | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
matter for you or not? I think going to Sierra Leone | :27:42. | :27:44. | |
will help with closure on that Is this trip to Sierra Leone | :27:45. | :27:51. | |
the start of you travelling again because you have done a lot of that, | :27:52. | :27:59. | |
a lot of volunteering in the past? Do you think this is | :28:00. | :28:03. | |
the start of a new phase? Travelling was a big part of my life | :28:04. | :28:05. | |
before and I've not really done a great deal since I've been unwell | :28:06. | :28:17. | |
just because I've not been able to. I'm not sure if I would go | :28:18. | :28:21. | |
and volunteer and do aid work again. I think after having Ebola the first | :28:22. | :28:24. | |
time I would have because I made a pretty fast recovery, | :28:25. | :28:29. | |
but after the relapse, no. How would you describe the last | :28:30. | :28:36. | |
couple of years in your life? Difficult, but a challenge and I'm | :28:37. | :28:48. | |
still smiling and I plan on just Morris has tweeted, I can't work out | :28:49. | :29:16. | |
if Pauline Cafferkey is brave or callous. Another communication asks | :29:17. | :29:29. | |
whether it's brave or irresponsible to put herself in that situation | :29:30. | :29:30. | |
again. The latest on the reports | :29:31. | :29:31. | |
from Germany that police are investigating a possible | :29:32. | :29:34. | |
Islamist link with an attack on the We'll be live at their training | :29:35. | :29:37. | |
ground where they're And we're live in Moscow | :29:38. | :29:40. | |
where the US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson is meeting | :29:41. | :29:46. | |
now with his Russian counterpart counterpart to urge the Kremlin | :29:47. | :29:49. | |
to abandon its support Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom | :29:50. | :29:51. | |
with a summary of today's news. Police in Germany are investigating | :29:52. | :30:01. | |
a possible Islamic link after three explosions damaged a bus carrying | :30:02. | :30:03. | |
the football team, Borussia Dortmund One player was injured and Dortmund | :30:04. | :30:06. | |
Police believe the vehicle The match against Monaco has been | :30:07. | :30:14. | |
postponed until this evening. Shortly we'll be speaking | :30:15. | :30:21. | |
to a Borussia Dortmund fan and a sports journalist | :30:22. | :30:23. | |
for the German newspaper, Bild. The US Secretary of State, | :30:24. | :30:30. | |
Rex Tillerson, is meeting his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov | :30:31. | :30:32. | |
in Moscow, less than a week after the United States bombed | :30:33. | :30:35. | |
an air base in Syria. He wants to persuade the Kremlin | :30:36. | :30:38. | |
to drop its support for the current Syrian regime and its | :30:39. | :30:43. | |
president, Bashar al-Assad. However, the Russian President, | :30:44. | :30:45. | |
Vladimir Putin maintains that Assad's forces were not responsible | :30:46. | :30:47. | |
for the chemical attack which Britain's biggest supermarket chain, | :30:48. | :30:49. | |
Tesco, has reported a 30% rise It made more than ?1.2 billion | :30:50. | :30:57. | |
in the last financial year. Like-for-like sales, | :30:58. | :31:02. | |
which strip out the impact of new store openings, | :31:03. | :31:04. | |
grew 1% in the year to February. Scottish nurse Pauline Cafferkey who | :31:05. | :31:18. | |
contracted ebola fwh Sierra Leone in 2014 has told this programme that | :31:19. | :31:21. | |
she is going back to the country. The 41-year-old says she has no fear | :31:22. | :31:25. | |
about returning to Sierra Leone three years after she became ill. | :31:26. | :31:29. | |
Pauline Cafferkey said she hopes the trip, which is to raise funds for | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
orphaned children, will give her closure after what she describes as | :31:34. | :31:34. | |
a pretty tough couple of years. The head of United Airlines has | :31:35. | :31:38. | |
apologised for what he called the "truly horrific" incident | :31:39. | :31:42. | |
in which a passenger was forcibly dragged, | :31:43. | :31:44. | |
screaming, from a flight. Footage of David Dao being removed | :31:45. | :31:46. | |
from the overbooked plane was posted on social media and sparked | :31:47. | :31:49. | |
a backlash against the company. The chief executive, Oscar Munoz, | :31:50. | :31:52. | |
said, "I deeply apologise to the customer forcibly removed | :31:53. | :31:54. | |
and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be | :31:55. | :31:57. | |
mistreated this way." Originally he had maintained staff | :31:58. | :31:59. | |
had followed established procedures. That's a summary of the latest BBC | :32:00. | :32:09. | |
News - more at 10am. Board are yousia Dortmund will play | :32:10. | :32:28. | |
their match this evening following the attack on their team bus last | :32:29. | :32:35. | |
night. Leicester will be in action against Atletico Madrid. Leicester | :32:36. | :32:39. | |
captain Wes Morgan travelled to Madrid, but isn't fit enough to | :32:40. | :32:46. | |
start. Juventus' player reeked havoc | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
against Barca last night. The City of Liverpool want to host the 2026 | :32:51. | :32:54. | |
Commonwealth Games as well as the 2022 event after the South African | :32:55. | :33:00. | |
city of Durban pulled out. The sports executive will chair the bid. | :33:01. | :33:01. | |
That's all the sport for now. German police are investigating | :33:02. | :33:07. | |
who was responsible for what's being called a targeted attack | :33:08. | :33:09. | |
on the football team Three explosive devices, | :33:10. | :33:11. | |
hidden in bushes, were detonated shortly after the team's bus left | :33:12. | :33:14. | |
the luxury hotel where They were on their way | :33:15. | :33:16. | |
to their Champions League It's still not clear | :33:17. | :33:22. | |
whether the devices were detonated One of the players, Marc Bartra, | :33:23. | :33:25. | |
was injured when the bus' We can go live to Dortmund | :33:26. | :33:32. | |
now where we're joined by Helge Doering, a Dortmund fan | :33:33. | :33:42. | |
who was at the stadium We've also got Sebastian Kolsberger, | :33:43. | :33:44. | |
a sports journalist He's outside the training ground | :33:45. | :33:47. | |
in Dortmund where the football team are due to arrive for training | :33:48. | :33:54. | |
in the next half an hour. And you expect them to turn up as | :33:55. | :34:03. | |
normal? We expect at 11am, between 9am and 10am and now they're having | :34:04. | :34:10. | |
breakfast with the team together and the trainer, the coach, and the rest | :34:11. | :34:25. | |
of the team, I think at 11am they will have training for the game | :34:26. | :34:31. | |
tonight. What frame of mind are they going to be in after what happened | :34:32. | :34:34. | |
last night and ahead of tonight's game? Yeah, it will be very | :34:35. | :34:46. | |
difficult for the players especially. | :34:47. | :34:56. | |
INAUDIBLE Yes, it will be a very difficult | :34:57. | :35:03. | |
game for them. Hopefully everything will be OK. | :35:04. | :35:07. | |
Hopefully, thank you very much. I'm going to leave it there because it | :35:08. | :35:10. | |
feels really windy and we're struggling to hear you, but we got | :35:11. | :35:13. | |
the gist of what you were saying. It will be difficult for the team in | :35:14. | :35:16. | |
terms of replaying this game tonight particularly when one of their own | :35:17. | :35:22. | |
is in hospital being treated. Helge you were close to the stadium when | :35:23. | :35:26. | |
it happened? I was on my way to the stadium. What was the atmosphere | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
like when the news started filtering through? I always take like a 20 | :35:31. | :35:35. | |
minute walk to the stadium and I had two of my friends with me and we | :35:36. | :35:40. | |
were chatting along about the probable result of the game and what | :35:41. | :35:44. | |
tactics and so on and when we just were close to the entrance gates | :35:45. | :35:50. | |
like ten meters away we overheard somebody from the Dortmund team, he | :35:51. | :35:54. | |
was talking to someone and he said there had been a blast on the bus | :35:55. | :36:00. | |
and then I grabbed my phone and I already had like 20 messages from | :36:01. | :36:04. | |
friends and my brother warning me not to go to the stadium and then I | :36:05. | :36:09. | |
said well, we'll just leave the scene here and go to somewhere where | :36:10. | :36:18. | |
it's not crowded because yeah, in the wake of the of the Paris attacks | :36:19. | :36:21. | |
I thought maybe if there is another strike it will be here. So just | :36:22. | :36:30. | |
leave the scene and when we left, we already saw a calm at moss ferks but | :36:31. | :36:35. | |
like many people like one-third of the fans was also leaving the scene | :36:36. | :36:40. | |
and normally it's just a one way direction. They all go towards the | :36:41. | :36:45. | |
stadium and not coming from it and like half of the people were looking | :36:46. | :36:52. | |
in their mobile cellar phones or they were talking on it. It was a | :36:53. | :37:00. | |
hard situation and a strange feeling and we tried to yeah to avoid big | :37:01. | :37:07. | |
crowds and move to the city centre. Will you go to the game this | :37:08. | :37:14. | |
evening? I'm not quite sure. I have a friend coming over from Finland. | :37:15. | :37:19. | |
He wants to see the game, but I'm not sure if they should play today. | :37:20. | :37:24. | |
I think out of respect for Marc Bartra and for the wounded | :37:25. | :37:28. | |
policeman, I think there should be no game at all. I think they should | :37:29. | :37:34. | |
stop it and not play at all and it's out of respect for the players. They | :37:35. | :37:43. | |
have trauma. I don't know if, it will not be a game in normal | :37:44. | :37:50. | |
circumstances and I think even if we drop out of the competition right | :37:51. | :37:57. | |
now, I will still be proud of this team and yeah, I don't know. Out of | :37:58. | :38:02. | |
respect for the players and for the game I think Uefa should not start | :38:03. | :38:08. | |
the game today. So you would be happy to for the game, this match | :38:09. | :38:17. | |
between Dortmund and Monaco, not to go ahead and Dortmund forfeit their | :38:18. | :38:22. | |
place and let Monaco progress? If it is the way to protect the players, | :38:23. | :38:29. | |
yesterday they were witnesses, they were targets of massive blast. I | :38:30. | :38:36. | |
don't know how it could have killed them all. I think one day later you | :38:37. | :38:42. | |
expect them to play football like nothing happened, I think that's a | :38:43. | :38:48. | |
really, really strange view of the game. The games have to go on and | :38:49. | :38:56. | |
don't give in to those terror groups, but yeah, I would be | :38:57. | :39:00. | |
completely happy if they say we cannot play today. We just don't | :39:01. | :39:06. | |
feel right and this would be completely OK with me as a fan. I | :39:07. | :39:10. | |
would be proud if they did. Really interesting. Thank you very | :39:11. | :39:15. | |
much, Helge for their thoughts. Helge Doering who was close to the | :39:16. | :39:19. | |
stadium. Let's talk now to a security expert. | :39:20. | :39:27. | |
Lee Doddridge, director of Covenant, a security and risk company. | :39:28. | :39:30. | |
He was also involved in co-ordinating security | :39:31. | :39:31. | |
at London 2012 Olympics and was at the National Counter | :39:32. | :39:34. | |
German media are reporting that the letter found close to the scene | :39:35. | :39:40. | |
apparently said in the name of Allah, so the police are looking at | :39:41. | :39:46. | |
an Islamist link. That's been confirmed. That wouldn't be a huge | :39:47. | :39:49. | |
surprise, would it? From a security prospective and looking back on | :39:50. | :39:53. | |
previous attacks it would be a surprise if Isis were actually part | :39:54. | :39:59. | |
of this attack purely there is a number of reasons. The method in | :40:00. | :40:06. | |
which it was deployed, the remote, the remote IED being used and | :40:07. | :40:10. | |
actually leaving a letter. It is very speculative on that claim and | :40:11. | :40:16. | |
possibly could be a ploy by other groups to shift the blame on to Isis | :40:17. | :40:20. | |
and the migrant community. It might not be, you know, an Isis | :40:21. | :40:28. | |
organised explosion, but it could be an individual inspired by Isis? It | :40:29. | :40:37. | |
could well be. But also there is a significant change here is where we | :40:38. | :40:42. | |
have had lone wolf attacks using vehicles or other devices to make a | :40:43. | :40:46. | |
remote IED with a trigger whether it is a phone or some other mechanism, | :40:47. | :40:52. | |
there is a high level of training and sophistication which doesn't fit | :40:53. | :40:54. | |
with the current threats that we have seen in Europe. OK. You were | :40:55. | :41:00. | |
partly responsible for co-ordinating security at London 2012. Security | :41:01. | :41:04. | |
around any high-profile sporting event is a huge job, isn't it? It | :41:05. | :41:11. | |
is, but in the UK and throughout Europe, we are well rehearsed and | :41:12. | :41:14. | |
have held some fantastic tournaments. If we look at the | :41:15. | :41:18. | |
security operation at the Euros last year and the final moving into | :41:19. | :41:22. | |
Cardiff this June, Cardiff is no stranger to large sporting events | :41:23. | :41:26. | |
and the security. Obviously they will look at the current inquiry and | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
make appropriate measures if they need to. | :41:31. | :41:38. | |
In terms of the security surrounding the rescheduled game today, that | :41:39. | :41:40. | |
will be upped? Without a dausmt it is still early in the investigation. | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
So you would expect a higher security presence which the fans I | :41:46. | :41:49. | |
think would also welcome. And you know the event will probably go | :41:50. | :41:55. | |
ahead as planned for this evening, but with just additional resources | :41:56. | :41:56. | |
on the ground. Thank you very much. This morning, fresh figures | :41:57. | :42:07. | |
were published on how many people are employed in the UK and how | :42:08. | :42:09. | |
much they earn. Joining me now is our | :42:10. | :42:12. | |
Economics Editor Kamal Ahmed who can Good morning. Good morning, | :42:13. | :42:16. | |
Victoria. Quite a mixed picturement on employment strong figures. | :42:17. | :42:19. | |
Unemployment is at a 12 year low. People are able to find jobs and | :42:20. | :42:23. | |
that is good news for the economy. But what's interesting is the | :42:24. | :42:26. | |
earnings figure. More interesting, we know we have been having | :42:27. | :42:29. | |
increased inflation since the fall in the value of sterling after the | :42:30. | :42:33. | |
referendum. That's meant that import prices of food and fuel are getting | :42:34. | :42:38. | |
more expensive. Yesterday the Office for National Statistics announced | :42:39. | :42:44. | |
that inflation was 2.3%. Today, average incomes are rising by 2.2%. | :42:45. | :42:50. | |
So they have fallen below that monthly inflation figure. That means | :42:51. | :42:54. | |
that the income squeeze is back. What's incredible Victoria, since | :42:55. | :42:59. | |
the financial crisis incomes have hardly risen since 2008. If you take | :43:00. | :43:05. | |
average weekly earnings from 2008 and look at them today, people are | :43:06. | :43:11. | |
still ?26 a week on average worse off than they were in 2008. This | :43:12. | :43:17. | |
income squeeze has returned for a period we had low inflation, | :43:18. | :43:20. | |
although wages weren't going up fast, we had very low inflation. Now | :43:21. | :43:24. | |
the inflation is coming back. The income squeeze is starting. People | :43:25. | :43:28. | |
are realising that food prices are going up, and clothing prices are | :43:29. | :43:31. | |
going up. This is one of the problems for the UK economy for this | :43:32. | :43:35. | |
year. Our economy is very much based on consumer confidence and consumers | :43:36. | :43:40. | |
spending and continuing to spend if they find their spending power is | :43:41. | :43:44. | |
reduced, they stop spending and that could mean economic growth could | :43:45. | :43:46. | |
slow. We will see what happens. Thank you very much. Thank you. | :43:47. | :43:51. | |
President Trump's foreign policy chief Rex Tillerson is in Moscow | :43:52. | :43:53. | |
holding crucial talks about the situation in Syria | :43:54. | :43:57. | |
with his Russian opposite number, Sergei Lavrov. | :43:58. | :43:59. | |
The US Secretary of State is trying to persuade Russia to stop | :44:00. | :44:03. | |
supporting President Assad's regime following last week's suspected | :44:04. | :44:08. | |
chemical attack on a rebel-held town in which 89 people died. | :44:09. | :44:14. | |
But Mr Tillerson's prospects of success do not look huge. | :44:15. | :44:18. | |
Ahead of the meeting the Kremlin repeated that the deaths | :44:19. | :44:20. | |
were a consequence of Syrian government forces bombing a storage | :44:21. | :44:23. | |
facility where chemical weapons held by the rebels were being stored. | :44:24. | :44:31. | |
The meeting has got underway with an uncompromising statement from the | :44:32. | :44:39. | |
Russian Foreign Minister. Let's hear what he said. | :44:40. | :44:47. | |
TRANSLATION: We have raised multiple times that we are prepared for a | :44:48. | :44:51. | |
constructive equal footing. This is our consistent policy and it | :44:52. | :45:11. | |
is completely in line with the international law and it is not | :45:12. | :45:16. | |
influenced by the current politically mat with the complicated | :45:17. | :45:22. | |
choices and wrong choices either with us or against us. | :45:23. | :45:35. | |
We believe in collective actions and we do not think it's effective to | :45:36. | :45:40. | |
have the hind closed doors alliances. -- to have the Hind | :45:41. | :45:52. | |
closed doors alliances. We have given our position, we have got our | :45:53. | :45:55. | |
message across to Washington and to you as well multiple times. | :45:56. | :46:09. | |
It is important for us to understand your intentions and the intentions | :46:10. | :46:16. | |
of the US and the real intentions of this Administration. We hope we can | :46:17. | :46:19. | |
clear those things up today. Welcome. And this was Rex | :46:20. | :46:28. | |
Tillerson's response. Our meetings today come at an important moment in | :46:29. | :46:33. | |
the relationship so that we can further clarify areas of common | :46:34. | :46:38. | |
objectives and common interests, even when our tactical approaches | :46:39. | :46:43. | |
might be different. And to further clarify areas of sharp difference so | :46:44. | :46:46. | |
we can better understand why these differences exist. And what the | :46:47. | :46:51. | |
prospects for narrowing those differences might be. I look forward | :46:52. | :46:57. | |
to a very open, candid and frank exchange so we can better to find | :46:58. | :47:02. | |
the US- Russian relationship from this point. -- better define. | :47:03. | :47:05. | |
Live to Moscow and our correspondent Sarah Rainsford. | :47:06. | :47:09. | |
Can you draw out the significance of those comments? It's clear this will | :47:10. | :47:15. | |
be a tough conversation that these two men are sitting down to. I think | :47:16. | :47:21. | |
what's important from what Sergei Lavrov said is that Russia doesn't | :47:22. | :47:27. | |
take kindly to being told to choose, are you with us or against us? His | :47:28. | :47:33. | |
main point was to say that Russia has made its position clear for a | :47:34. | :47:37. | |
long time and acts in its own national interest. When it comes to | :47:38. | :47:41. | |
Syria that has always been about supporting President Assad so far. | :47:42. | :47:47. | |
Russia is heavily politically and militarily supporting Assad in | :47:48. | :47:52. | |
Syria. It seems from what Sergei Lavrov says, that it will not change | :47:53. | :47:56. | |
under pressure from Washington. But he says he's open to dialogue and | :47:57. | :48:00. | |
what he's underlining is that this is a meeting where Russia wants to | :48:01. | :48:05. | |
know really what the US foreign policy, and what its policy towards | :48:06. | :48:11. | |
Russia and towards Syria is. There was a slight snort from Sergei | :48:12. | :48:15. | |
Lavrov when he said, we want to know your real intentions. He said people | :48:16. | :48:19. | |
are not even in post in the State Department and we don't know where | :48:20. | :48:22. | |
you are coming from. That was the implication of what he was saying. | :48:23. | :48:26. | |
Rex Tillerson has come here with a strong position saying that basher | :48:27. | :48:32. | |
al-Assad is not part of the solution for Syria and he will have to go. I | :48:33. | :48:37. | |
think it will be a difficult dialogue today. When we look back a | :48:38. | :48:46. | |
few months to when Donald Trump and his team took over the White House, | :48:47. | :48:49. | |
there was a hopeful mood in Moscow, but now I think we are back to a | :48:50. | :48:54. | |
very difficult relationship. The Foreign Ministry here has described | :48:55. | :48:57. | |
it as one of the most complex times for relations since the end of the | :48:58. | :49:02. | |
Cold War. But there hadn't been a chemical attack then on killing 89 | :49:03. | :49:05. | |
Syrian people. Really tough conversations. I wonder what can be | :49:06. | :49:13. | |
achieved. Clearly Rex Tillerson came here with very strong language | :49:14. | :49:18. | |
accusing Moscow of either being complicit or incompetent as regard | :49:19. | :49:23. | |
the attack. He made the point Russia had committed to making sure Syria | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
had handed over its chemical weapons and it didn't use or maintain any | :49:28. | :49:34. | |
for the future. Rex Tillerson says Russia either knew about what was | :49:35. | :49:40. | |
happening or was complacent in allowing it to happen. Russia has | :49:41. | :49:44. | |
said very strongly, and we heard again from President Putin in an | :49:45. | :49:51. | |
interview he gave overnight, that the Syrian government denies its | :49:52. | :49:57. | |
responsibility for the attack. Sergei Lavrov called it illegal. | :49:58. | :50:04. | |
That the United States launched missiles into Syria to the base | :50:05. | :50:07. | |
where the attack was allegedly carried out from. It's hard to see | :50:08. | :50:12. | |
where the two sides come together. It's early days relationship. | :50:13. | :50:24. | |
Whether those sides can look for positive cooperation and move | :50:25. | :50:28. | |
forward, it's difficult to see. Is President Putin only forced to care | :50:29. | :50:33. | |
about what the US says because of those missile strikes? I think the | :50:34. | :50:37. | |
President Putin domestically feels pretty stronger at the moment. I | :50:38. | :50:42. | |
don't think that missile strike has changed much there. It's acted in a | :50:43. | :50:47. | |
way, on the contrary, it has allowed President Putin once again to return | :50:48. | :50:53. | |
to the position of showing Russia has an external enemy, a country | :50:54. | :50:58. | |
whose interests don't coincide with Russia's and to present Russia as | :50:59. | :51:03. | |
the victim in this. Russia will argue it has been unfairly accused | :51:04. | :51:12. | |
of actions in Syria. Russia will use this, to a domestic audience at | :51:13. | :51:15. | |
least, to prop up its current position. I think Putin is not too | :51:16. | :51:22. | |
worried by what's happened. I think there is a sense of confusion about | :51:23. | :51:29. | |
what US foreign policy is and where the US stands because there have | :51:30. | :51:33. | |
been conflicting messages. This is the first chance to clarify | :51:34. | :51:37. | |
positions face to face around the table at the Foreign Ministry and | :51:38. | :51:40. | |
see where things go from here. Thank you, Sarah Raynsford. | :51:41. | :51:44. | |
From Moscow, Alexander Bovdunov, a journalist with the website | :51:45. | :51:49. | |
Jan Halper Hayes is a member of President Trump's transition team. | :51:50. | :51:57. | |
And Xenia Wickett is head of US and the Americas Programme | :51:58. | :52:00. | |
at policy institute, Chatham House. | :52:01. | :52:02. | |
How bad would you say relations are between Russia and the US? I can | :52:03. | :52:14. | |
only say that our feelings about this visit can be described in one | :52:15. | :52:21. | |
word, frustration. Today we have no hopes and no big expectations | :52:22. | :52:27. | |
because those missile strikes, they really damaged the situation. Before | :52:28. | :52:32. | |
then there had been certain hopes that Rex Tillerson might improve the | :52:33. | :52:36. | |
US - Russia relations and might restore mutual cooperation is in the | :52:37. | :52:42. | |
sphere of fighting terrorism. Today we see that he can't do that. The US | :52:43. | :52:50. | |
administration tries to negotiate from a position of strength. I think | :52:51. | :52:53. | |
it's not the best way to talk with Russia. Bringing in a member of | :52:54. | :53:00. | |
President Trump's transition team. Do you know what the US foreign | :53:01. | :53:05. | |
policy is at the moment? Are we talking about the whole US foreign | :53:06. | :53:10. | |
policy or the situation with Syria? In general he cares about defeating | :53:11. | :53:15. | |
Isis. His other concern was to work with our eyes to focus on cyber | :53:16. | :53:20. | |
security and working to share intelligence. I don't think his | :53:21. | :53:29. | |
position has changed that much. -- work with our allies. What happens | :53:30. | :53:37. | |
with Trump is that he says one thing and then you put him in a box and | :53:38. | :53:42. | |
you don't allow the other aspects. That's one of the reasons he was | :53:43. | :53:46. | |
voted in. The foreign policy was always there. It was always | :53:47. | :53:51. | |
non-interventionist. I think we need to look at the parallel between | :53:52. | :53:57. | |
Trump and Ronald Reagan in 1981 with the Gulf of Citra. They both took | :53:58. | :54:03. | |
over after their world very weak Democratic presidents who had a | :54:04. | :54:06. | |
really reduced the military. What they needed to do was say that there | :54:07. | :54:10. | |
is a strong player in town and we are not going to take this. This was | :54:11. | :54:18. | |
a marked, strategic strike. A one-off? Very much so. As Nikki | :54:19. | :54:24. | |
Haley said at the UN, if you do it again, we will react. This is | :54:25. | :54:28. | |
blowing it out of proportion and think it leads to boots on the | :54:29. | :54:37. | |
ground and that's unrealistic. What should America's top diplomat's what | :54:38. | :54:51. | |
should his approach be? I think we should be optimistic. And we should | :54:52. | :54:56. | |
take the same approach as when President Trump met the Chinese | :54:57. | :55:02. | |
president last week. It's too early right now in the days of Donald | :55:03. | :55:05. | |
Trump for the State Department to have figured out what their policy | :55:06. | :55:12. | |
is. It doesn't have the personnel. It didn't spend months or years | :55:13. | :55:17. | |
figuring out what their position would be if they took office, | :55:18. | :55:19. | |
perhaps because they were not expecting it. And they were not | :55:20. | :55:23. | |
expecting a chemical attack on the Syrian people as well. Exactly. We | :55:24. | :55:30. | |
need to rein in expectations. This is about getting to know one | :55:31. | :55:34. | |
another. We shouldn't expect they will suddenly be steps forward in | :55:35. | :55:38. | |
the US and Russia relationship. I agree with Jan, I think this is a | :55:39. | :55:43. | |
one off rather than a strategy. Perhaps where I disagree is that | :55:44. | :55:48. | |
this was not a strategic attack against Syrians, this was a | :55:49. | :55:52. | |
responsive attack against Syrians. But I think the foreign policy | :55:53. | :55:55. | |
Donald Trump laid out during the campaign, which is one of America | :55:56. | :56:03. | |
first, which is one of directly focusing on US national interests, | :56:04. | :56:07. | |
is the one we will see over the longer-term. With the occasional act | :56:08. | :56:11. | |
like this. What is the US national interest when it comes to Syria? A | :56:12. | :56:16. | |
great question. Donald Trump and his team have laid it out, is to | :56:17. | :56:21. | |
counterterrorism, it's IS, that's where it is. This was a reactive | :56:22. | :56:27. | |
event. More outrage, perhaps. In many cases many would argue that it | :56:28. | :56:31. | |
was actually a very positive act. To assume from this one act that | :56:32. | :56:35. | |
America's foreign policy is suddenly changing from what Donald Trump laid | :56:36. | :56:40. | |
out in his campaign is vastly misguided. You also have to take | :56:41. | :56:46. | |
into consideration that the Egyptian president and King Abdullah had been | :56:47. | :56:49. | |
at the White House in the days preceding this. And the focus was on | :56:50. | :56:56. | |
the Syrian chemical attack. At the Rose Garden, with King Abdullah in | :56:57. | :56:59. | |
the press conference, Donald Trump said that we were getting more money | :57:00. | :57:04. | |
to Jordan because they were the only country really taking care of the | :57:05. | :57:09. | |
refugees. Both leaders reiterated that those refugees wanted to return | :57:10. | :57:15. | |
to their country. An Associated Press representative asked Donald | :57:16. | :57:18. | |
Trump if he had taken responsible Defour the red Line Obama had put | :57:19. | :57:22. | |
down. He said, yes, it's my responsibility. He was very moved | :57:23. | :57:26. | |
and upset by this because it was a chemical attack. Not for anything | :57:27. | :57:30. | |
other than that. That was the strategic strike. I think we have to | :57:31. | :57:36. | |
be a little careful. And President Trump needs to be careful. Because | :57:37. | :57:41. | |
having an emotional response to something is not how you conduct | :57:42. | :57:44. | |
foreign policy. I think we need to be careful. I agree with you in that | :57:45. | :57:50. | |
we should not take this response, this attack on Syria is a | :57:51. | :57:53. | |
manifestation of where American foreign policy is going. If I am in | :57:54. | :57:58. | |
the footsteps, and I wouldn't want to be, of President Trump, I would | :57:59. | :58:01. | |
be careful of taking emotional responses, because that will tie you | :58:02. | :58:06. | |
win and cause challenges, as he has seen with the media response. Thank | :58:07. | :58:10. | |
you both very much and 22 Alexander in Moscow. | :58:11. | :58:12. | |
Coming up, we'll bring you the latest on those bombs | :58:13. | :58:15. | |
targeting the Borussia Dortmund team bus and speak to a fan | :58:16. | :58:17. | |
who was just metres away when the attack happened. | :58:18. | :58:20. | |
German media reports this morning that police are investigating an | :58:21. | :58:23. | |
Islamist link. Let's get the latest weather | :58:24. | :58:25. | |
update with Philip Avery. A very good morning to you. At no | :58:26. | :58:36. | |
little expense, I will start off with three weather watcher pictures | :58:37. | :58:40. | |
that give an indication of the varied conditions. In the far south, | :58:41. | :58:45. | |
it's as glorious as that, and moving further north you go into a cloudier | :58:46. | :58:51. | |
zone. At its worst, the weather really is that bad. It all comes | :58:52. | :58:57. | |
thanks to a weather front that's sat over the north of the British Isles | :58:58. | :59:01. | |
yesterday that has now spread its cloud and rain further southwards to | :59:02. | :59:05. | |
the extent we have seen a wet morning across parts of Northern | :59:06. | :59:08. | |
Ireland, southern Scotland, and rain across the Pennines getting as far | :59:09. | :59:13. | |
down as the Wash. There is no great speed about the retreat of the | :59:14. | :59:17. | |
weather front for south. The good news is, if you happen to get | :59:18. | :59:22. | |
tangled up with it, as it comes further south it will show less and | :59:23. | :59:29. | |
less rain. The odd spot of rain might get down to Pembrokeshire and | :59:30. | :59:33. | |
the South Midlands, and maybe a spot in East Anglia. The Southern | :59:34. | :59:36. | |
counties getting away with in essentially dry day. 11-16 covers | :59:37. | :59:45. | |
the temperatures for most of us. Going into Thursday, the big | :59:46. | :59:51. | |
picture, we have quite a few isobars on the chart, especially in the | :59:52. | :59:54. | |
north-eastern quarter of Scotland. A chilly start and a bright one for | :59:55. | :59:58. | |
the greater part of the East and two thirds of the British Isles. Cloud | :59:59. | :00:03. | |
from the word go in the north-west and filling in all the while. | :00:04. | :00:07. | |
Increasing chances of showers if not longer spells of rain in the | :00:08. | :00:11. | |
north-west quarter of Scotland. I'm afraid you will lose sunshine | :00:12. | :00:14. | |
perhaps on the eastern side of the British Isles. Not completely but it | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
will cloud up. Into Good Friday, and there is a chance of quite a bit of | :00:20. | :00:23. | |
cloud around. Temperatures not bad for the time of year. Nowhere near | :00:24. | :00:28. | |
the weekend, but that's was always the plan. Some rain out West that | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
will break forward to the east. That sets us up for the holiday weekend. | :00:33. | :00:38. | |
The main message is, it's not a write off anywhere across the | :00:39. | :00:43. | |
British Isles. I will show you Saturday, Sunday and on into Monday | :00:44. | :00:47. | |
quickly. Weather fronts coming through, one in the northern half of | :00:48. | :00:51. | |
the British Isles on Sunday, high pressure in the south, still settle. | :00:52. | :00:55. | |
A great deal of uncertainty into Monday at the moment. The whole | :00:56. | :00:59. | |
system is quite mobile and if it rains on you for a wee while, don't | :01:00. | :01:04. | |
despair, it will not do it right through the course of the holiday | :01:05. | :01:05. | |
weekend. Our top story Police | :01:06. | :01:12. | |
are investigating a possible Islamist link to the three | :01:13. | :01:18. | |
explosions which hit the Borussia Dortmund | :01:19. | :01:20. | |
team bus last night - that's according to | :01:21. | :01:22. | |
German media reports. Juanfran believes the rescheduled | :01:23. | :01:31. | |
game shouldn't go ahead today. I think they shouldn't play today, out | :01:32. | :01:37. | |
of respect for Marc Bartra and the wounded policeman, I don't think | :01:38. | :01:40. | |
there should be a game at all. -- one fan believes. | :01:41. | :01:42. | |
We have the latest on the investigation. | :01:43. | :01:44. | |
We'll get the latest on the investigation and speak | :01:45. | :01:46. | |
to one fan who was moments from the scene of the blast. | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
Also, the Scottish nurse Pauline Cafferkey tells us, | :01:51. | :01:52. | |
in an exclusive interview, she has no trepidation | :01:53. | :01:54. | |
about returning to Sierra Leone - the country where she contracted | :01:55. | :01:57. | |
the virus Ebola, which twice nearly killed her. | :01:58. | :01:59. | |
It's really multiple organ failure - the vomiting and diarrhoea | :02:00. | :02:01. | |
is so profuse that the organs can't keep up with it, and the organs | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
start failing, so it affects many parts of the body. | :02:05. | :02:09. | |
And you can read more about Pauline Cafferkey | :02:10. | :02:10. | |
One woman tells this programme how her council knew | :02:11. | :02:24. | |
she was being abused by her school teacher, but did nothing. | :02:25. | :02:28. | |
Now the Victims' Commissioner says teachers and social workers should | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
be prosecuted if they fail to alert the authorities to allegations | :02:31. | :02:33. | |
On several occasions he tied me to a radiator with a dog collar | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
and told me not to move and made me sit there naked. | :02:38. | :02:47. | |
Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
Police in Germany say they're investigating a possible Islamist | :02:52. | :02:56. | |
link to last night's attack on the Borussia Dortmund | :02:57. | :02:58. | |
There are reports in the German media that an antifascist group | :02:59. | :03:06. | |
claimed it carried out the attack. Three explosions hit the bus, | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
which was taking the club's players to their Champions League | :03:10. | :03:11. | |
quarter-final against Monaco. Police say they believe the club | :03:12. | :03:13. | |
was deliberately targeted. Forensic teams have spent the night | :03:14. | :03:15. | |
examining the blast site. Three devices in what police | :03:16. | :03:23. | |
described as a targeted attack exploded as the players' bus | :03:24. | :03:25. | |
left their hotel shortly after 7pm. It's believed the explosives | :03:26. | :03:33. | |
were hidden in a hedge and were But two panes at the back | :03:34. | :03:35. | |
shattered, injuring Spanish international Marc Bartra, | :03:36. | :03:39. | |
who has undergone surgery. At a press conference | :03:40. | :03:41. | |
held soon afterwards, a spokesman for the team gave | :03:42. | :03:47. | |
an update on his condition. TRANSLATION: Marc Bartra | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
is being operated on right now for a broken bone in his right hand | :03:53. | :03:57. | |
and he has got various glass shards The team, through captain | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
Marcel Schmelzer, just rang me. They're still very shocked | :04:02. | :04:04. | |
and thinking about Marc. The police are still trying | :04:05. | :04:06. | |
to establish who was behind An official from the state | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
prosecutor revealed that a letter TRANSLATION: I can say a letter | :04:12. | :04:17. | |
was found near the blast scene. At the moment, due to the ongoing | :04:18. | :04:26. | |
investigation, I can't give more The authenticity is | :04:27. | :04:29. | |
being investigated. The devices exploded | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
about ten kilometres The match has been postponed | :04:34. | :04:36. | |
until later today. The world of football has come | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
together in wishing Bartra a full recovery and condemning the attack, | :04:42. | :04:44. | |
which has unsettled The US Secretary of State, | :04:45. | :04:45. | |
Rex Tillerson, is meeting his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov | :04:46. | :04:58. | |
in Moscow this morning. He's expected to call | :04:59. | :04:59. | |
for the Kremlin to withdraw its support for the Syrian regime | :05:00. | :05:03. | |
after last week's Ahead of the talks Mr Tillerson said | :05:04. | :05:05. | |
he was looking forward Mr Lavrov said US airstrikes | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
in Syria were a "violation of law". We have given our position. We have | :05:10. | :05:23. | |
got our message across to Washington and to you as well multiple times. | :05:24. | :05:37. | |
And it is important for us to understand your intentions and the | :05:38. | :05:44. | |
intentions of the US and the real intentions of this administration, | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
but we hope that we can clear up today these things. | :05:48. | :05:49. | |
President Trump's spokesman, Sean Spicer, has apologised | :05:50. | :05:52. | |
for saying that Adolf Hitler didn't use chemical weapons. | :05:53. | :05:54. | |
Mr Spicer made the remark in a White House press briefing, | :05:55. | :05:57. | |
as he answered questions about the war in Syria. | :05:58. | :06:01. | |
The Anne Frank Centre, which campaigns for human rights, | :06:02. | :06:03. | |
described Mr Spicer's comment as an "evil slur" and said he now | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
Britain's biggest supermarket chain, Tesco, has reported a 30% rise | :06:07. | :06:13. | |
It made more than ?1.2 billion in the last financial year. | :06:14. | :06:19. | |
Like-for-like sales, which strip out the impact | :06:20. | :06:20. | |
of new store openings, grew 1% in the year to February. | :06:21. | :06:23. | |
The company's chief executive, Dave Lewis, said he was | :06:24. | :06:25. | |
The head of United Airlines has apologised for what he called | :06:26. | :06:35. | |
the "truly horrific" incident in which a passenger | :06:36. | :06:37. | |
was forcibly dragged, screaming, from a flight. | :06:38. | :06:39. | |
Footage of David Dao being removed from the overbooked plane was posted | :06:40. | :06:41. | |
on social media and sparked a backlash against the company. | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
The chief executive, Oscar Munoz, said, "I deeply apologise | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
No one should ever be mistreated this way." | :06:54. | :06:55. | |
Originally he had maintained staff had followed established procedures. | :06:56. | :07:03. | |
A voter registration site that crashed in the run-up to last year's | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
EU referendum could have been targeted by a foreign cyber attack, | :07:07. | :07:08. | |
The "register to vote" site crashed on 7th June last year just before | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
the deadline for people to sign up to vote. | :07:14. | :07:15. | |
The Government and electoral administrators blamed a surge | :07:16. | :07:17. | |
But MPs on the Parliamentary Public Administration Committee say | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
a foreign cyber attack could not be ruled out. | :07:22. | :07:32. | |
The Scottish nurse Pauline Cafferkey, who contracted ebola | :07:33. | :07:34. | |
in Sierra leone in 2014, has exclusively told this | :07:35. | :07:36. | |
programme that she's going back to the country. | :07:37. | :07:38. | |
The 41-year-old says she has no fear about returning to Sierra Leone, | :07:39. | :07:41. | |
Ms Cafferkey told Victoria she hopes the trip, which is to raise funds | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
for orphaned children, will give her closure | :07:46. | :07:47. | |
after what she describes as a "pretty tough couple of years". | :07:48. | :07:57. | |
I think psychologically it is important as well that I go | :07:58. | :08:03. | |
back and that's where things kind of started for me and I've had | :08:04. | :08:06. | |
a terrible couple of years since then so it would be good to go | :08:07. | :08:09. | |
back just for things to come full circle for me. | :08:10. | :08:15. | |
A little bit of closure and end up with something good. Something | :08:16. | :08:19. | |
positive as well. A shrimp which makes some | :08:20. | :08:22. | |
of the loudest sounds in the ocean has been named after the rock band, | :08:23. | :08:25. | |
Pink Floyd. It might not sound like it, | :08:26. | :08:27. | |
but the pistol shrimp, synalpheus pinkfloydi, | :08:28. | :08:41. | |
can use its claw to create a sound louder than a gunshot | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
and that is powerful enough That's a summary of the latest BBC | :08:46. | :08:48. | |
News - more at 10.30am. Thank you very much. | :08:49. | :08:57. | |
Gillian has e-mailed from Wimbledon. I'm furious listening to your cat | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
with Pauline Cafferkey this morning. My daughter was on the same flight | :09:02. | :09:07. | |
flying in December 2014 to Heathrow. We had to monitor our temperature | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
for 21 days following this flight. She had no punitive punishment over | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
her behaviour and I resent your soft touch interview without getting to | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
the core of the issue which is complete lack of concern about the | :09:21. | :09:23. | |
people who travelled at the same time as her." Helen says, "This Lady | :09:24. | :09:29. | |
Is nothing short offer responsible to go back to Sierra Leone." Audrey | :09:30. | :09:37. | |
says, "She is brave. Fantastic that she has recovered from Ebola twice?" | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
Is this brave? It is a question quite a few of you are raising. | :09:42. | :09:54. | |
Coming up, the Russian journalist who broke the story that gay men | :09:55. | :09:57. | |
are being held in camps in the Chechen Republic, | :09:58. | :09:59. | |
where they are subjected to torture and beatings, | :10:00. | :10:01. | |
tells us that she has had to go into hiding because of her report. | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
The Borussia Dortmund players are back in training this morning. | :10:07. | :10:18. | |
The Champions League quarter-final between Borussia Dortmund and Monaco | :10:19. | :10:20. | |
It was postponed yesterday evening after the Dortmund | :10:21. | :10:24. | |
team bus was attacked 90 minutes before kick-off. | :10:25. | :10:26. | |
Thousands of fans were already in the stadium when news began | :10:27. | :10:29. | |
to filter in about the attack, and the opposing Monaco fans | :10:30. | :10:32. | |
chanted their support for the Dortmund players. | :10:33. | :10:33. | |
The football world has joined together in wishing defender | :10:34. | :10:35. | |
Marc Bartra a speedy recovery after he was admitted to hospital | :10:36. | :10:38. | |
for surgery on his wrist after being caught up | :10:39. | :10:40. | |
This morning, the Dortmund president praised the fans. | :10:41. | :10:43. | |
I was very lucky when I heard how the fans reacted and called, | :10:44. | :10:54. | |
"Dortmund. Dortmund." It is solidarity that we have like this | :10:55. | :11:02. | |
only in sport and that's the only positive thing we learned yesterday. | :11:03. | :11:07. | |
In sport, it is possible to make solidarity and to make respect, to | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
help each other. I'm sure that the people are discussing the whole day | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
what happened yesterday. But when they come to the stadium, we will | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
have a fantastic atmosphere. That's what I feel. | :11:23. | :11:25. | |
In the other quarter-final, Juventus put Barcelona | :11:26. | :11:30. | |
through another embarrassing Champions League defeat. | :11:31. | :11:36. | |
That's three in their last four games on the road now. | :11:37. | :11:39. | |
Paulo Dibala scored twice in Juve's 3-nil win. | :11:40. | :11:42. | |
Uefa has said security measures will be tight around | :11:43. | :11:44. | |
all the European ties this week, including Leicester's | :11:45. | :11:46. | |
quarter-final first leg against Atletico Madrid tonight. | :11:47. | :11:48. | |
The Leicester players will have to focus on matters | :11:49. | :11:50. | |
ON the pitch though as they embark on one of the biggest | :11:51. | :11:53. | |
Last year's Premier League winners are the only English club | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
Captain Wes Morgan has travelled with the team but won't start, | :11:58. | :12:00. | |
BBC Radio Leicester's Ian Stringer is in Madrid this morning, | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
and says the players will relish the occasion. | :12:05. | :12:09. | |
I think it's the biggest game in the club's history. I have been watching | :12:10. | :12:15. | |
Leicester City, my dad took me when I was four or five years. I'm | :12:16. | :12:20. | |
privileged to work for BBC Radio Leicester now. I think it is the | :12:21. | :12:27. | |
biggest game in the club's history. So I think this is an enormous game | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
and if they can keep the game alive, keep it alive for next week, they | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
won't want to come to the King Power stadium. | :12:38. | :12:40. | |
Liverpool has put its bidding team together to host either the 2022 | :12:41. | :12:43. | |
Former FA chief executive, Brian Barwick, will chair the city's | :12:44. | :12:51. | |
bid which was initially just for the 2026 Games. | :12:52. | :12:53. | |
But Durban's withdrawal from hosting the 2022 event, | :12:54. | :12:55. | |
Birmingham and Manchester have also expressed interest, | :12:56. | :12:58. | |
with Manchester potentially being part of a joint | :12:59. | :13:00. | |
That's all the sport for now. Victoria. | :13:01. | :13:17. | |
A series of explosions, three in total. | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
Police are studying a letter found near the scene which apparently says | :13:22. | :13:27. | |
in it in the name of Allah. They are looking at investigating a claim of | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
responsibility from an antifascist groupment one player treated in | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
hospital when the bus' reinforced windows shattered and a police | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
motorcyclist was hurt. The team were off to their Champions League game | :13:41. | :13:45. | |
at the stadium against Monaco. The game is rescheduled for this | :13:46. | :13:45. | |
afternoon. He was close to the scene of | :13:46. | :13:48. | |
the blasts when the attack happened. Chris Phillips is Former Head | :13:49. | :13:53. | |
of the National Counter Are you going to go to the game | :13:54. | :14:02. | |
today? No, I'm not going there. I think it's too dangerous and on | :14:03. | :14:10. | |
the other side it is a mark of respect not to go there. I think you | :14:11. | :14:17. | |
shouldn't go there, no. It is not safe. But your team will be there. | :14:18. | :14:26. | |
Your team will be running out to play that rescheduled game? I think | :14:27. | :14:31. | |
Borussia Dortmund will play tonight, but I think I'm going to stay at | :14:32. | :14:36. | |
home. Right. Even though security is being increased? Yeah, even though | :14:37. | :14:44. | |
security has been increased because I think it is just 24 hours ago or | :14:45. | :14:53. | |
even less now so I don't go there, no. Right. That's really | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
interesting. Stay with us if you can. Chris Phillips, so, you know, | :14:57. | :15:04. | |
people are afraid. Quite rightly. Which is when others say well, that | :15:05. | :15:10. | |
means the terrorists win? It is it is pointing because actually we as a | :15:11. | :15:13. | |
public have a duty really to carry on business as usual or else we do | :15:14. | :15:17. | |
let the terrorists win. That's really interesting. You think we | :15:18. | :15:20. | |
have a duty to carry on as normal? Absolutely. Because these are | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
individualsment there is no doubt this is a pretty amateur style of | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
terrorism. Anyone could do something similar to this if they really | :15:30. | :15:33. | |
ranted to. The same as we saw in Sweden and the same as we saw in | :15:34. | :15:37. | |
London. Pretty much anyone can do that if they had the desire to do | :15:38. | :15:41. | |
it. What we've got to do is say OK this is happening. We in London and | :15:42. | :15:46. | |
the UK have faced terrorism for 100 years and the best reaction is | :15:47. | :15:49. | |
actually business as usual. Do you judge people who are aid | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
frayed and who want to stay at home and stay safe? No, I don't judge | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
them at all. I think people have got to make their own decision, but we | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
have to as a population say look, one person who has dropped these | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
very small devices next to a team bus cannot be allowed to impact the | :16:08. | :16:10. | |
rest of our lives. What do you say to our former | :16:11. | :16:14. | |
counter-terrorism expert? I'm with you. I agree. Terrorism does not | :16:15. | :16:21. | |
have to have such an impact on the people, that's right. We should not | :16:22. | :16:26. | |
be afraid, but I think, you know, it's just 20 hours ago. It's a bit | :16:27. | :16:33. | |
too fast to keep on like nothing happened, but you're right, we | :16:34. | :16:37. | |
should not be afraid at all and I think in one week, everybody is not | :16:38. | :16:45. | |
shocked at all so much. It is not so shocked anymore and then everything | :16:46. | :16:48. | |
is OK. I don't think the period of just 20 hours, that's too less time. | :16:49. | :16:56. | |
Tell me what the atmosphere is like there. We can see officers behind | :16:57. | :17:02. | |
you. It's not business as usual, is it? No, of course. Many cars are | :17:03. | :17:09. | |
usually drying along with this street. There is usually a lot of | :17:10. | :17:18. | |
traffic. -- driving along this street. The police have closed the | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
whole street. Over there is the hotel where the team bus starts to | :17:23. | :17:29. | |
go to the stadium, usually. Yesterday there were three bombs on | :17:30. | :17:32. | |
the side of the road that made the bus explode. I think people in | :17:33. | :17:42. | |
Dortmund are relaxed because we know the police are doing a good job, and | :17:43. | :17:46. | |
the fans are relaxed. Everybody knows what to do. Is it true that a | :17:47. | :17:52. | |
similar kind of explosion took place in the area last week? Yes, that's | :17:53. | :18:01. | |
right. I just live 800 metres away. That's what I was thinking, because | :18:02. | :18:11. | |
one week ago there was someone who made a gas explosion and destroyed | :18:12. | :18:15. | |
his whole house with that, a crazy guy. Or maybe it's not a crazy guy, | :18:16. | :18:22. | |
maybe he's making some gas experiments. But then I went to the | :18:23. | :18:31. | |
road, saw all the police cars and the Borussia Dortmund bus sat there | :18:32. | :18:40. | |
and I thought it must be something different. As former head of | :18:41. | :18:46. | |
National counterterrorism security office, where would you be | :18:47. | :18:50. | |
investigating now? They have to find the person responsible. The letter | :18:51. | :18:54. | |
will give them lots of clues. Ironically, this game we are looking | :18:55. | :19:02. | |
at and the area will probably be the safest that Dortmund have ever held | :19:03. | :19:05. | |
because of the security presence. I think the important thing is to | :19:06. | :19:12. | |
catch the individual. There are different kinds of terrorism now. | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
Individuals who are basically amateurs, and this appears to be one | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
of those who are intent on causing damage. We also have to really worry | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
about the more professional people who are coming back from Syria and | :19:25. | :19:28. | |
Iraq. Why do you say the person behind this is amateur? It's not | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
very good, the thing is easy to do. It wasn't a big explosion, very | :19:34. | :19:37. | |
small and we do not know what explosives they used yet. If it was | :19:38. | :19:41. | |
a bigger explosive we would have been talking about a lot of people | :19:42. | :19:46. | |
dying. The thing we have to face, unfortunately, is that explosives, | :19:47. | :19:50. | |
we haven't really seen explosive is being used recently in terrorist | :19:51. | :19:54. | |
attacks. Those things are really scary. What we have to double our | :19:55. | :19:58. | |
efforts at is preventing terrorists from being able to get hold of | :19:59. | :20:02. | |
explosive material, whether its explosives or the component parts. | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
Businesses that deal with the component parts, and they know who | :20:08. | :20:11. | |
they are, have to redouble their efforts to make sure they sell to | :20:12. | :20:14. | |
the right people only. Could those devices have been operated from a | :20:15. | :20:20. | |
distance, remotely, or would somebody have to be in sight of the | :20:21. | :20:27. | |
bus to explode them at the moment? Almost certainly, unless there was a | :20:28. | :20:30. | |
specific time, it would have been dealt with by somebody close by. But | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
there are options. You can use mobile phones to detonate. We have | :20:35. | :20:38. | |
seen it many times in the past. There are a lot of options for | :20:39. | :20:42. | |
terrorists who are quite good. Unfortunately nobody -- fortunately, | :20:43. | :20:50. | |
nobody has been seriously injured. That was because of the reinforced | :20:51. | :20:54. | |
glass on the coach. And nine out of ten people killed in explosions are | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
killed because of flying glass. All businesses have to make sure they | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
have protective glazing. Thank you for coming on the programme. That | :21:04. | :21:09. | |
Dortmund fan, not going to the game later. | :21:10. | :21:14. | |
Documents uncovered by this programme show | :21:15. | :21:15. | |
Cambridgeshire County Council failed to protect a 15-year-old | :21:16. | :21:18. | |
girl from being sexually abused by her teacher. | :21:19. | :21:20. | |
Social services had previously written to warn the council | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
about the teacher - who cannot be named - | :21:25. | :21:26. | |
but he was allowed to continue teaching. | :21:27. | :21:29. | |
Noel Phillips has this exclusive report, and just to warn | :21:30. | :21:31. | |
you there are graphic descriptions of the abuse suffered | :21:32. | :21:33. | |
It's every parent's worst nightmare - a shocking betrayal of trust. | :21:34. | :21:45. | |
He was in a position of responsibility, authority | :21:46. | :21:47. | |
Jeremy Forrest was more than a maths teacher, | :21:48. | :21:56. | |
he was a sexual predator who abused a 15-year-old student | :21:57. | :21:59. | |
Tell us how it was you managed to keep those children silent? | :22:00. | :22:05. | |
He filmed himself sexually abusing young girls on school premises. | :22:06. | :22:15. | |
Serious case reviews found that teaching staff ignored | :22:16. | :22:17. | |
Currently there is no law to say a school must report sexual abuse. | :22:18. | :22:27. | |
But the Victims Commissioner wants the government to make it a criminal | :22:28. | :22:30. | |
offence for teachers and social workers not to report | :22:31. | :22:32. | |
We send children to schools, we send children to social workers | :22:33. | :22:40. | |
and everybody and you think the essence of their core training | :22:41. | :22:42. | |
If we don't ensure we protect them when something goes horrendously | :22:43. | :22:48. | |
wrong, then we need to encourage more strategy and more | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
The abuse happened, say, four or five times a week. | :22:53. | :23:07. | |
It would be in the classroom store cupboard. | :23:08. | :23:12. | |
Abigail, which is not her real name, was just 15 when she says | :23:13. | :23:16. | |
she was groomed and raped by her teacher. | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
A man who she claims used his profession as a cover | :23:21. | :23:23. | |
On several occasions he tied me to a radiator with a dog collar | :23:24. | :23:32. | |
You believe a few teachers at the time in your school suspected | :23:33. | :23:45. | |
Yeah, but he was as careful as he could have been. | :23:46. | :23:50. | |
I was getting extra tuition after school. | :23:51. | :23:51. | |
He would tell me afterwards to go and wait in the store cupboard. | :23:52. | :23:54. | |
There I would wait until he knew most of the teachers had gone home | :23:55. | :23:58. | |
And this would happen in the classroom? | :23:59. | :24:11. | |
For the first three years, it would happen in the classroom. | :24:12. | :24:14. | |
And after say, four, five months, he started | :24:15. | :24:18. | |
To do that, he would get me to jump into the back of the car, | :24:19. | :24:25. | |
sit behind the seats and be covered up by a blanket, so that | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
when we got to his house, nobody would see me go in the house. | :24:30. | :24:32. | |
He would drive into the garage and then I would have to get out. | :24:33. | :24:40. | |
For legal reasons, we cannot name the teacher, but documents we have | :24:41. | :24:45. | |
seen shows he was arrested in the early 80s after being accused | :24:46. | :24:48. | |
of sexually abusing two vulnerable girls at a secondary school | :24:49. | :24:51. | |
in Cambridgeshire, but was found not guilty. | :24:52. | :24:55. | |
Shortly afterwards, in the early 90s, a number of chances were missed | :24:56. | :24:58. | |
by Cambridgeshire County Council to monitor him before | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
he went on to abuse Abigail at a school in Whittlesey. | :25:04. | :25:08. | |
It's all very well that he was found not guilty in a criminal court, | :25:09. | :25:14. | |
but it was deemed that there was sufficient evidence for him | :25:15. | :25:16. | |
to be criminally charged with the most serious offences | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
against children and he's in a | :25:22. | :25:27. | |
position of responsibility as a teacher. | :25:28. | :25:29. | |
He has then moved to the school where Abigail is. | :25:30. | :25:31. | |
If that had been in place, this would never have happened. | :25:32. | :25:34. | |
A social worker involved in the case was so concerned that she wrote | :25:35. | :25:39. | |
a report to Cambridgeshire County Council. | :25:40. | :25:40. | |
Despite this, he was still given a full-time job. | :25:41. | :26:05. | |
I mean, it's either a conspiracy or a cock-up. | :26:06. | :26:08. | |
Colin Shaw was a labour county council at the time. | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
Colin Shaw was a labour county councillor at the time. | :26:13. | :26:14. | |
He says he believes there was a cover-up by the council that | :26:15. | :26:17. | |
allowed a teacher to carry out the abuse. | :26:18. | :26:19. | |
I cannot see how somebody would have missed it. | :26:20. | :26:21. | |
There certainly seems to have been a cover-up, | :26:22. | :26:23. | |
given the amount of evidence there was at the time. | :26:24. | :26:27. | |
I think there seems to be, actually, appalling failures by the Council, | :26:28. | :26:30. | |
Now there are questions that remain unanswered. | :26:31. | :26:38. | |
How much was known about exactly what was going on behind these gates | :26:39. | :26:43. | |
at the community college two decades ago? | :26:44. | :26:45. | |
Cambridgeshire County Council were made aware of the teacher's history, | :26:46. | :26:47. | |
but yet he was still offered a job here. | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
When Abigail reported the abuse to police in 1998, the teacher told | :26:52. | :26:56. | |
detectives their relationship was sexual after she was 18 | :26:57. | :26:59. | |
and that it ended because he was in love with another pupil | :27:00. | :27:02. | |
I would like the government to consider mandatory reporting. | :27:03. | :27:07. | |
We hear of so many things that happen to victims. | :27:08. | :27:09. | |
If they don't feel they have proper redress... | :27:10. | :27:17. | |
The Victims Commissioner, Baroness Newlove, says in order | :27:18. | :27:19. | |
to prevent similar cases, the government should introduce | :27:20. | :27:21. | |
mandatory reporting and make it a crime for anyone who suspects | :27:22. | :27:23. | |
If you have some inclination that something is not quite right, | :27:24. | :27:29. | |
you have been given some information that supports what you think, | :27:30. | :27:32. | |
It's not right to say, I had suspicions, when actually | :27:33. | :27:38. | |
those suspicions are happening to that individual. | :27:39. | :27:42. | |
Would mandatory reporting prevent serious failings that we have seen | :27:43. | :27:44. | |
I think by having mandatory reporting it gives confidence | :27:45. | :27:52. | |
to victims that if they do go to people, go to organisations | :27:53. | :27:55. | |
to say they have been abused, and the severity of the bees | :27:56. | :28:02. | |
to say they have been abused, and the severity of the abuse | :28:03. | :28:05. | |
is still not listen to, if we have mandatory reporting, | :28:06. | :28:08. | |
They go to an individual who they hope believes them. | :28:09. | :28:13. | |
And if they don't believe them, they walk away. | :28:14. | :28:16. | |
Baroness Newlove says it's time for Britain to adopt a system | :28:17. | :28:22. | |
to that of Australia and the US, where reporting sexual | :28:23. | :28:24. | |
No one here from Cambridgeshire County Council would speak to me | :28:25. | :28:28. | |
on camera, but in a statement they have apologised and agreed | :28:29. | :28:38. | |
an out-of-court settlement of more than half a million pounds. | :28:39. | :28:41. | |
They go on to say that the school itself and the whole vetting | :28:42. | :28:44. | |
and checking process is very different from the systems | :28:45. | :28:46. | |
Abigail still bears the scars of her ordeal. | :28:47. | :28:49. | |
The abuse she suffered has led to a life of self harming, | :28:50. | :28:52. | |
depression and mental health problems. | :28:53. | :28:53. | |
I wanted to have children, which I have not been able to do, | :28:54. | :29:02. | |
because I don't have a sexual relationship with my husband. | :29:03. | :29:05. | |
But I'm not able to have children and I feel that's been robbed of me. | :29:06. | :29:14. | |
A teacher has been banned from teaching for life. | :29:15. | :29:17. | |
Campaigners say mandatory reporting would improve child protection | :29:18. | :29:20. | |
and that's why the law needs to change. | :29:21. | :29:23. | |
The Home Office has told us a consultation is now taking place | :29:24. | :29:27. | |
on how to reform the child protection system when it comes to | :29:28. | :29:31. | |
But for Abigail, she just hopes her story will encourage other | :29:32. | :29:38. | |
Schools are getting so desperate for cash they have money to help plug | :29:39. | :29:55. | |
the gap in funding. Police in Germany are investigating | :29:56. | :30:04. | |
a possible Islamist link after three explosions damaged a bus carrying | :30:05. | :30:07. | |
the football team, Borussia Dortmund One player was injured and Dortmund | :30:08. | :30:10. | |
Police believe the vehicle The match against Monaco has been | :30:11. | :30:15. | |
postponed until this evening. The US Secretary of State, | :30:16. | :30:22. | |
Rex Tillerson, is meeting his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov | :30:23. | :30:24. | |
in Moscow this morning. He's expected to call | :30:25. | :30:26. | |
for the Kremlin to withdraw its support for the Syrian regime | :30:27. | :30:28. | |
after last week's chemical weapons attack Ahead of the talks | :30:29. | :30:31. | |
Mr Tillerson said he was looking forward to a "frank | :30:32. | :30:33. | |
and open exchange". Mr Lavrov said US air strikes | :30:34. | :30:35. | |
in Syria were a "violation of law". Britain's biggest supermarket chain, | :30:36. | :30:45. | |
Tesco, has reported a 30% rise It made more than ?1.2 billion | :30:46. | :30:48. | |
in the last financial year. Like-for-like sales, | :30:49. | :30:51. | |
which strip out the impact of new store openings, | :30:52. | :30:53. | |
grew 1 per cent in The company's chief | :30:54. | :30:55. | |
executive Dave Lewis said The head of United Airlines has | :30:56. | :30:58. | |
apologised for what he called the "truly horrific" incident | :30:59. | :31:08. | |
in which a passenger was forcibly dragged, | :31:09. | :31:10. | |
screaming, from a flight. Footage of David Dao being removed | :31:11. | :31:11. | |
from the overbooked plane was posted on social media and sparked | :31:12. | :31:14. | |
a backlash against the company. The chief executive, Oscar Munoz, | :31:15. | :31:20. | |
said, "I deeply apologise to the customer forcibly removed | :31:21. | :31:22. | |
and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be | :31:23. | :31:25. | |
mistreated this way." Originally he had maintained staff | :31:26. | :31:27. | |
had followed established procedures. The Scottish nurse Pauline Cafferkey | :31:28. | :31:37. | |
- who contracted Ebola in Sierra leone in 2014 - | :31:38. | :31:39. | |
has exclusively told this programme that she's | :31:40. | :31:41. | |
going back to the country. The 41-year-old says she has no fear | :31:42. | :31:43. | |
about returning to Sierra Leone, Ms Cafferkey told Victoria she hopes | :31:44. | :31:46. | |
the trip, which is to raise funds for orphaned children, | :31:47. | :31:51. | |
will give her closure after what she describes | :31:52. | :31:52. | |
as a "pretty tough couple of years". That's a summary of the latest | :31:53. | :32:01. | |
news, join me for BBC Borussia Dortmund are back | :32:02. | :32:03. | |
in training this morning and will replay their Champions League | :32:04. | :32:14. | |
quarter final, this evening The match was postponed | :32:15. | :32:18. | |
following that attack Meanwhile Leicester will be | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
in action against Atletico Madrid, who have reached the final | :32:23. | :32:27. | |
of the competition twice Leicester captain Wes Morgan has | :32:28. | :32:29. | |
travelled to Madrid but isn't Great Britain's Fed Cup team | :32:30. | :32:38. | |
for next week's World Group II qualifier against Romania has been | :32:39. | :32:42. | |
named this morning. World number seven Johanna Konta | :32:43. | :32:44. | |
will lead the side. She's joined by Heather | :32:45. | :32:46. | |
Watson, Laura Robson, The city of Liverpool want to host | :32:47. | :32:48. | |
the 2026 Commonwealth Games, as well as the 2022 event, | :32:49. | :32:52. | |
after the South African city Sports executive Brian Barwick | :32:53. | :32:55. | |
will chair the bid. Reports from Germany say a letter | :32:56. | :33:06. | |
found near the scene of last night's attack on the Borussia Dortmund | :33:07. | :33:14. | |
football team suggests But police have stressed it | :33:15. | :33:16. | |
could be a false lead. Uefa says security at matches | :33:17. | :33:20. | |
is being stepped up. He's a freelance journalist | :33:21. | :33:22. | |
based in Dortmund. He was at the police press | :33:23. | :33:29. | |
conference last night That's one of the lines of inquiry, | :33:30. | :33:40. | |
clearly? Yes, that's been the latest news, various German newspapers have | :33:41. | :33:46. | |
reported on the possible Islamist content of this letter. The | :33:47. | :33:52. | |
newspaper reported that the letter starts with the words, "In the name | :33:53. | :33:58. | |
of Allah the merciful." And refers to the Berlin Christmas market | :33:59. | :34:03. | |
attacks as well as the German Army's involvement in the anti-Isis | :34:04. | :34:08. | |
coalition in Syria and is referring to Germany as a crusader nation that | :34:09. | :34:16. | |
is a target for Islamists. The police are investigating whether | :34:17. | :34:19. | |
this letter is actually authentic or not. Yes, one theory is it could be | :34:20. | :34:25. | |
a hoax to frame somebody else, to frame another group or organisation | :34:26. | :34:31. | |
or whatever? Exactly. There is actually a second letter claiming | :34:32. | :34:38. | |
responsibility that popped up online which is obviously a fake written | :34:39. | :34:44. | |
from the prospective of far leftists. The police are also | :34:45. | :34:50. | |
investigating this, but it reads as a clear utter fake. OK. Can I ask | :34:51. | :34:56. | |
you separately about far-right hooliganism? My understanding is | :34:57. | :35:01. | |
there has been a clamp down on such hooligans recently, is that right? | :35:02. | :35:06. | |
Well, there have been some clashes between Dortmund supporters and | :35:07. | :35:12. | |
supporters of a team from another area in Dortmund that did draw a lot | :35:13. | :35:18. | |
of media attention. There are hooligans in Dortmund. There are | :35:19. | :35:23. | |
right-wing hooligans in Dortmund, but everything in that direction at | :35:24. | :35:27. | |
this moment is nothing more than speculation I'd say. Sure. I've | :35:28. | :35:33. | |
spoken to two Dortmund fans, it is only two, thousands have got tickets | :35:34. | :35:37. | |
for the rescheduled game and neither is going to that match. They don't | :35:38. | :35:45. | |
feel safe? Yes, I think the police are giving their best to ensure | :35:46. | :35:50. | |
safety at the match this evening. Last night at the press conference | :35:51. | :35:56. | |
Dortmund's chief of police stressed that the police is deploying | :35:57. | :36:01. | |
additional forces to the match, to secure the match, to secure the | :36:02. | :36:08. | |
players and the fans and to do all they can, but of course, there can | :36:09. | :36:15. | |
never be 100% security at any football match and especially what | :36:16. | :36:18. | |
happened last night. A lot of people probably won't feel safe. | :36:19. | :36:23. | |
Thank you very much. Thank you for talking to us. | :36:24. | :36:29. | |
This news, President Trump's wife has accepted damages and an apology | :36:30. | :36:36. | |
from The Daily Mail newspaper and Mail online, publisher of Associated | :36:37. | :36:41. | |
Newspapers at the High Court in London. Melania Trump accepted | :36:42. | :36:48. | |
damages from The Daily Mail and Mail Online at the High Court in London | :36:49. | :36:52. | |
over allegations about her work as a professional model. | :36:53. | :36:56. | |
Damages and an apology from The Daily Mail and Mail Online, | :36:57. | :37:02. | |
Associated Newspapers because of allegations they made about her | :37:03. | :37:03. | |
works a professional model. Last week we reported that more | :37:04. | :37:08. | |
than 100 gay men had been rounded up by authorities in Chechnya | :37:09. | :37:11. | |
and subjected to torture. Now there are now allegations | :37:12. | :37:13. | |
that they are being kept in secret prisons described by some | :37:14. | :37:16. | |
as concentration camps. Russian newspaper, Novaya Gazeta, | :37:17. | :37:21. | |
and human rights campaigners claim gay people are being tortured | :37:22. | :37:24. | |
and beaten - sometimes Earlier I spoke to the journalist | :37:25. | :37:27. | |
who broke the story, who told me Two of them in the capital | :37:28. | :37:32. | |
of Chechnya, Grozny, one of them in Argun, | :37:33. | :37:45. | |
this is the first secret prison we got to know, | :37:46. | :37:47. | |
where LGBT people were detained, We announced an emergency | :37:48. | :37:52. | |
line for those people, we got this information about three | :37:53. | :38:01. | |
or four weeks ago, It's pretty hard in Chechnya, | :38:02. | :38:04. | |
especially with LGBT people, The region is very | :38:05. | :38:13. | |
hard on those people. You would expect that the Chechen | :38:14. | :38:24. | |
and Russian governments would deny that this is happening, | :38:25. | :38:30. | |
and that is what they have done. Although they do not deny the fact | :38:31. | :38:34. | |
that if they found this kind of people in Chechnya, | :38:35. | :38:45. | |
they should be killed. They deny the secret camps | :38:46. | :38:47. | |
and that they have detained more than 100 people and killed | :38:48. | :38:59. | |
some of them. You cannot tell us exactly where | :39:00. | :39:01. | |
you are now because you have had to leave Moscow and go into hiding. | :39:02. | :39:04. | |
Why? They reacted in a very terrifying | :39:05. | :39:08. | |
manner, because on 3rd April, in the biggest mosque in Grozny, | :39:09. | :39:12. | |
15,000 religious people got together and announced a jihad on us, | :39:13. | :39:23. | |
not just me only, but on the people, and they said they | :39:24. | :39:34. | |
should be prosecuted. Elena Milashina there, | :39:35. | :39:59. | |
the journalist who first Kheda Saratova is | :40:00. | :40:00. | |
a prominent member of Chechnya's Human Rights Council | :40:01. | :40:11. | |
which advises the government. After the initial reports emerged, | :40:12. | :40:13. | |
she told a Russian radio station they could not be true because gay | :40:14. | :40:16. | |
people did not exist in Chechnya. She told me - via her sister Asa - | :40:17. | :40:19. | |
that she had personally investigated the site of one of the alleged | :40:20. | :40:22. | |
camps, but found nothing. We went there, so we talked | :40:23. | :40:25. | |
to the people living around. We tried to find out more about that | :40:26. | :40:27. | |
place, but actually, we could not get any information, | :40:28. | :40:31. | |
it is not confirmed. You have previously said that gay | :40:32. | :40:39. | |
people did not exist in Chechnya. I was shocked, the first | :40:40. | :40:48. | |
time when I heard that. There are 300 | :40:49. | :41:01. | |
gays in the republic, They are moving out of Chechnya, | :41:02. | :41:02. | |
so I was shocked to hear about this situation and to hear | :41:03. | :41:08. | |
about those numbers. What are yo as a human | :41:09. | :41:16. | |
rights adviser going to do about the reports of gay people | :41:17. | :41:19. | |
being tortured and killed? In this case, I need to receive | :41:20. | :41:21. | |
an application from the person that Do you think it is likely, | :41:22. | :41:32. | |
considering you have said in the past that homosexuality | :41:33. | :41:38. | |
was evil and does not Why would a gay person who has been | :41:39. | :41:40. | |
badly treated come to you for help? These people appeared | :41:41. | :41:46. | |
before I said anything. According to our traditions, | :41:47. | :42:05. | |
our society's opinion, Are you promising to help any gay | :42:06. | :42:11. | |
people that need help in Chechnya? I just promise that I will help any | :42:12. | :42:21. | |
person, any human being, that will approach me, | :42:22. | :42:40. | |
so I will not ask about his I will do the utmost, | :42:41. | :42:43. | |
I will help this person. One of Chechnya's most prominent | :42:44. | :42:54. | |
members of the Human Rights Council promising to represent | :42:55. | :42:56. | |
all those in need. As always we'll keep you updated | :42:57. | :42:58. | |
with what happens on that story. In an exclusive interview, | :42:59. | :43:03. | |
the Scottish nurse Pauline Cafferkey tells us she's going back | :43:04. | :43:05. | |
to the country where she contracted Ebola - | :43:06. | :43:08. | |
a disease which twice She says she has no trepidation | :43:09. | :43:09. | |
about returning to Sierra Leone, three years after she became ill | :43:10. | :43:13. | |
and suffered multiple organ failure. 41-year-old Ms Cafferkey hopes | :43:14. | :43:16. | |
the trip, which is to raise funds for orphaned children there, | :43:17. | :43:18. | |
will give her closure after I thought, well when I was first | :43:19. | :43:21. | |
told that I had it, I thought that my chances would be pretty good | :43:22. | :43:37. | |
and certainly more so than had I got it when I was in | :43:38. | :43:40. | |
Sierra Leone and been treated So I knew that having access | :43:41. | :43:43. | |
to the NHS and being treated by the NHS, my chances | :43:44. | :43:47. | |
would be much higher, a doubt, if I wasn't treated here, | :43:48. | :43:49. | |
I would be dead now. You saw people dying in large | :43:50. | :43:59. | |
numbers of this disease as part 11,000 people died in total, | :44:00. | :44:02. | |
and now you're going back. I'm going back next | :44:03. | :44:06. | |
month with a small UK They're doing some great things out | :44:07. | :44:16. | |
in Sierra Leone and every year they have a Sierra Leone marathon | :44:17. | :44:25. | |
and I'm going back there with them. So it'll be good to go back, | :44:26. | :44:28. | |
just for things to come full circle for me and a little bit of closure, | :44:29. | :44:52. | |
and end up with something good, I did, yeah, especially | :44:53. | :44:55. | |
after having a relapse, and it's not so long ago that | :44:56. | :45:01. | |
I was carrying a thermometer with me How do you reflect on the fact that | :45:02. | :45:05. | |
you were investigated? I don't hold anything | :45:06. | :45:21. | |
against the Nursing They were just purely | :45:22. | :45:22. | |
doing their job. It kind of came | :45:23. | :45:25. | |
at a really bad time. It was very difficult for me | :45:26. | :45:28. | |
with my physical health, so it was a massive stress on me | :45:29. | :45:33. | |
when I was already going And I guess, if anything, | :45:34. | :45:36. | |
I just feel disappointed with Public Health England and how | :45:37. | :45:46. | |
they looked after me when I was in Heathrow, | :45:47. | :45:48. | |
and I can't really say a great deal about it because I think | :45:49. | :45:52. | |
things are still ongoing. Is this trip to Sierra Leone | :45:53. | :46:01. | |
the start of you travelling again because you have done a lot of that, | :46:02. | :46:03. | |
a lot of volunteering in the past? Do you think this is | :46:04. | :46:07. | |
the start of a new phase? I'm not sure if I would go | :46:08. | :46:10. | |
and volunteer and do aid work again. Difficult, but a challenge and I'm | :46:11. | :46:13. | |
still smiling and I plan on just And you can watch that interview | :46:14. | :46:21. | |
again on our programme page - It was a key policy | :46:22. | :46:34. | |
of the last government - special funding targeted to help | :46:35. | :46:36. | |
poorer school pupils by paying for things like extra tuition, | :46:37. | :46:39. | |
breakfast and after school clubs, But head teachers say that money - | :46:40. | :46:41. | |
the pupil premium as it's known - is actually being used to plug gaps | :46:42. | :46:46. | |
elsewhere in the budget That's according to a survey of more | :46:47. | :46:48. | |
than 1000 heads and classroom teachers by the Sutton Trust, | :46:49. | :46:52. | |
an education charity, which says this is yet more evidence | :46:53. | :46:54. | |
that the squeeze on funding is having a detrimental | :46:55. | :46:57. | |
effect on schools. Let's talk to David Laws, | :46:58. | :47:01. | |
the man who was responsible for delivering the pupil premium | :47:02. | :47:04. | |
policy when he was schools minister in the last government, | :47:05. | :47:08. | |
the Conservative-Lib Dem coalition. He now heads up the | :47:09. | :47:10. | |
Education Policy Institute. Next to him is the Conservative MP | :47:11. | :47:14. | |
and chairman of the Education Select And in our Suffolk studio | :47:15. | :47:17. | |
is Geoff Barton, head teacher of King Edward VI school in Bury St | :47:18. | :47:21. | |
Edmunds. Tell us what kind of things | :47:22. | :47:23. | |
the pupil premium helps your school I think everybody working in | :47:24. | :47:36. | |
education are welcome to the pupil premium because of the way it | :47:37. | :47:39. | |
allowed us to do things for students whose parents might not be able to | :47:40. | :47:43. | |
afford things. You mention some, like after-school clubs. We increase | :47:44. | :47:47. | |
the numbers of maths and English teachers, giving one to one tuition. | :47:48. | :47:53. | |
It's all try to close the gap. It's frustrating if some of those funds, | :47:54. | :47:58. | |
which includes ?200,000 at our school, are being lost from being | :47:59. | :48:02. | |
targeted to those youngsters. According to the survey, two thirds | :48:03. | :48:06. | |
of head teachers like yourself are using the money to plug gaps | :48:07. | :48:09. | |
elsewhere. You haven't yet but you might if things continue to be | :48:10. | :48:14. | |
stretch next year? It's inevitable. I was speaking to a good friend of | :48:15. | :48:19. | |
mine who is a headteacher in the north-east and needs to make a | :48:20. | :48:24. | |
saving of ?170,000 this year. The only way to do that is not by not | :48:25. | :48:30. | |
buying textbooks, is by reducing class sizes and teachers. Everybody | :48:31. | :48:35. | |
will be disadvantaged. Its pragmatism over principles. That's | :48:36. | :48:40. | |
what we need to do to make sure every child benefits from having a | :48:41. | :48:44. | |
teacher in the classroom. The 200,000 you get from the pupil | :48:45. | :48:47. | |
premium money, how much do you reckon you will spend on other | :48:48. | :48:52. | |
things apart from no next year? In the coming year we have plans to | :48:53. | :48:56. | |
make some changes to the curriculum in the sixth form. We think the | :48:57. | :49:00. | |
pupil premium money we will spend will pretty much stay the same. But | :49:01. | :49:05. | |
the extra staffing we have put into English and maths will discontinue, | :49:06. | :49:09. | |
meaning class sizes will go up, which can reduce costs. We desperate | :49:10. | :49:13. | |
they want to keep hold of a number of staff who works with parents of | :49:14. | :49:17. | |
those children. We have 200 youngsters on pupil premium, getting | :49:18. | :49:24. | |
their parents to always come to parents evening has been an issue. | :49:25. | :49:27. | |
10% came two years ago, this year it was 75% because of that liaison | :49:28. | :49:32. | |
person at the school having the direct contact. We think these | :49:33. | :49:36. | |
things are tangible that will help those youngsters achieve in a long | :49:37. | :49:40. | |
term. We believe this year 50% of those youngsters will do well, | :49:41. | :49:44. | |
whereas two years ago it was 21%. There is the direct impact. Neil | :49:45. | :49:49. | |
Carmichael, Conservative MP and chairman of the education select | :49:50. | :49:53. | |
committee. Is it acceptable for headteachers to use pupil premium | :49:54. | :49:57. | |
money on other things? The get one thing straight, we are spending ?42 | :49:58. | :50:02. | |
billion on education, the highest it's ever been and that demonstrates | :50:03. | :50:05. | |
commitment from the government in terms of supporting schools. Is it | :50:06. | :50:09. | |
acceptable to use the pupil premium money for things other than those | :50:10. | :50:13. | |
pupils who need it? There are two questions here. That's the one I'm | :50:14. | :50:18. | |
asking, is it acceptable? Is not acceptable to use pupil premium in | :50:19. | :50:23. | |
such a way that it will not advantage the children who are | :50:24. | :50:26. | |
supposed to be helped. That's what it is therefore. We have to think of | :50:27. | :50:30. | |
it in the context of national funding and how it is being | :50:31. | :50:33. | |
adjusted. I think the pupil premium should be included in the | :50:34. | :50:36. | |
calculation of how much a school is getting through the new National | :50:37. | :50:42. | |
formula. But it's not. You have heard the impact from Mr Barton and | :50:43. | :50:45. | |
he talked about his colleague in the north-east of in red, who is having | :50:46. | :50:49. | |
to make, despite what you say about the amount of money going in, we'll | :50:50. | :50:54. | |
have to make ?170,000 of cuts in his school this year. The reason why I | :50:55. | :50:57. | |
talked about the national formula for funding is because schools need | :50:58. | :51:01. | |
to be treated fairly and in a more global sense. That's why I think | :51:02. | :51:05. | |
it's important to discuss pupil premium in the context of wider | :51:06. | :51:13. | |
funding within the schools. But the government isn't doing that. That's | :51:14. | :51:15. | |
the position at the moment. We have ended the consultation period. My | :51:16. | :51:18. | |
select committee has made the point that pupil premium should be | :51:19. | :51:22. | |
included in this discussion. We will see if the government will respond | :51:23. | :51:26. | |
to that. We have made other suggestions, including bringing in a | :51:27. | :51:31. | |
floor so schools don't fall beneath a certain level. I think that would | :51:32. | :51:35. | |
be a good way of giving some heads, perhaps the ones we have heard | :51:36. | :51:38. | |
about, reassurance and their funding. The idea of pupil premium | :51:39. | :51:47. | |
is to help young people who need that help. David Laws Kammy said in | :51:48. | :51:50. | |
2010 that it would be a mistake to think the purpose of pupil premium | :51:51. | :51:58. | |
is to protect schools from cuts. The Shard David Laws, you said in 2010. | :51:59. | :52:03. | |
-- David Laws, you said in 2010. Most heads, as Neal implied, are | :52:04. | :52:18. | |
spending the pupil premium on disadvantaged youngsters. The | :52:19. | :52:22. | |
aspiration of the last government was that it would be extra money | :52:23. | :52:26. | |
that allowed schools to do extra things for those young people. I | :52:27. | :52:29. | |
think the risk now is we are going into a period which is according to | :52:30. | :52:36. | |
the education policy Institute's figures that have been produced, is | :52:37. | :52:39. | |
one of the toughest periods for school funding in the last 20 or 30 | :52:40. | :52:43. | |
years at most schools will have to make cuts to their real budgets. In | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
that scenario there is a double risk. One is that schools might | :52:48. | :52:52. | |
shift money from the disadvantage to other students. According to the | :52:53. | :52:57. | |
Sutton trust survey today, two thirds of head teachers are already | :52:58. | :53:01. | |
doing that, plugging gaps elsewhere. The data from the Sutton trust has | :53:02. | :53:04. | |
also said other potentially contradictory things today. For | :53:05. | :53:08. | |
example, it said only 5% of head teachers said this year the priority | :53:09. | :53:12. | |
with the pupil premium money was to protect other budgets. I think what | :53:13. | :53:15. | |
some of those heads are talking about is that they have used that | :53:16. | :53:19. | |
money to protect existing disadvantaged Frodon in. I think the | :53:20. | :53:23. | |
evidence is most heads are using it for the purpose it was meant that | :53:24. | :53:31. | |
don't use the money for the purposes it was meant, what should happen to | :53:32. | :53:33. | |
them? They are already looked at very closely by the schools | :53:34. | :53:39. | |
inspectorate, Stead, to make sure the money is used to narrow the gap | :53:40. | :53:43. | |
and Ofsted hold those schools to account. It's right they do so. It's | :53:44. | :53:48. | |
also write the government should look at the implications of its | :53:49. | :53:50. | |
squeeze on school funding over the next few years. And make sure that | :53:51. | :53:56. | |
squeeze taking place... It's not a squeeze according to them. Neil | :53:57. | :54:01. | |
Carmichael gave as those figures. The Department for Education say | :54:02. | :54:04. | |
school funding is at its highest level on record at almost ?41 | :54:05. | :54:08. | |
billion and that is set to rise as pupil numbers rise. I think both | :54:09. | :54:13. | |
Neil and the government would not dispute that over the next few years | :54:14. | :54:17. | |
and the years of the government forecast, there will be a cut in | :54:18. | :54:20. | |
real funding per pupil in every school in England even with the new | :54:21. | :54:26. | |
national funding formula. Do you accept that? I think the question we | :54:27. | :54:30. | |
need to ask is... You keep telling us what questions we are asking, do | :54:31. | :54:34. | |
you accept what David Laws said that there will be a real terms cut and | :54:35. | :54:42. | |
funding cut per-pupil. We have 9 million in a Clasie, and probably 10 | :54:43. | :54:46. | |
million by 20 20. We need to fund the arrival of that extra arrival. | :54:47. | :54:54. | |
Of course we need to fund that. Do you accept what David Laws says is | :54:55. | :54:58. | |
that there is a real terms cut in funding per pupil. I don't accept | :54:59. | :55:02. | |
that. We calculate that for about half the schools in England over the | :55:03. | :55:07. | |
next three years there will be quite large real terms cuts between six | :55:08. | :55:13. | |
and 11% per-pupil. That's a lot of money and the risk I think... | :55:14. | :55:21. | |
Per-pupil?! The risk then is some schools will re-divert this money | :55:22. | :55:27. | |
from pupil premium. Jeff Porter do is nodding his head in agreement | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
with David Laws. What could happen with Ofsted if the pupil premium | :55:32. | :55:40. | |
money is used elsewhere? It was originally up to the school 's | :55:41. | :55:43. | |
management and headteacher to make the decision. We would publish | :55:44. | :55:50. | |
decision and how have Ofsted report on it. We are on a mission for their | :55:51. | :55:59. | |
needs to be a new funding from, but that separate. There isn't enough | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
funding in the system. We are 3 billion short in funding over the | :56:04. | :56:05. | |
next three years and schools are having to do what they are having to | :56:06. | :56:09. | |
go. Social justice ought to be a real part of it. I think that'll be | :56:10. | :56:13. | |
brushed aside because of what we seemed in the classroom. What we | :56:14. | :56:17. | |
have to do is make sure we provide that extra money. The government | :56:18. | :56:22. | |
isn't doing that in terms of specific funds for new schools and | :56:23. | :56:27. | |
so on. That will not help Geoff Barton's school or his colleague in | :56:28. | :56:31. | |
the north-east, a school already up and running. I think we need to | :56:32. | :56:35. | |
think very carefully about the impact of Brexit and everything else | :56:36. | :56:37. | |
will reconsider the education system. The impact of Brexit, what | :56:38. | :56:46. | |
do you mean? We will need more skills and not fewer skills as we | :56:47. | :56:50. | |
deal with the difference in immigration. That will be something | :56:51. | :56:55. | |
we have to respond to by making sure we provide those skills, | :56:56. | :56:58. | |
particularly in the post-16 sector, which is the most urgent one. The | :56:59. | :57:03. | |
challenge we are seeing is that when the pupil premium came in, the | :57:04. | :57:06. | |
aspiration of all of us wasn't just that the money would be spent on | :57:07. | :57:10. | |
disadvantaged pupils, but would ultimately allow schools to do | :57:11. | :57:14. | |
something extra. More small group tuition and catch-up classes. Even | :57:15. | :57:18. | |
if the money over the next few years continues to be targeted at pupil | :57:19. | :57:22. | |
premium pupils, disadvantaged youngsters, school budgets as a | :57:23. | :57:26. | |
whole are falling so it will be difficult for schools to do | :57:27. | :57:28. | |
additional things other than just tried to make sure the money is | :57:29. | :57:33. | |
going to disadvantaged pupils. If we are really to see greater social | :57:34. | :57:37. | |
mobility in our country, greater opportunity for all citizens | :57:38. | :57:41. | |
regardless of background, these cuts in funding have got to be looked at | :57:42. | :57:46. | |
very carefully, otherwise they will undermine the original intention. A | :57:47. | :57:51. | |
quick e-mail, I work in schools as a careers adviser and see this money | :57:52. | :57:57. | |
used to taxi in children who have a lazy parents. It's certainly not | :57:58. | :58:02. | |
supposed to be used to support school transport costs. The last | :58:03. | :58:05. | |
government wanted school leaders to be free to use this money in the way | :58:06. | :58:10. | |
they judge best. But ultimately, that's about attainment, not simply | :58:11. | :58:17. | |
things like transport. Thank you. We're coming to the end of the | :58:18. | :58:18. | |
programme. Ten people affected | :58:19. | :58:20. | |
by mental health issues, You're convinced it can help? | :58:21. | :58:34. | |
Most definitely. I feel I'm not going to be able | :58:35. | :58:40. | |
to do it. ..joined by some special guests... | :58:41. | :58:41. | |
You're the heroes. ..on a journey that's not just about | :58:42. | :58:44. | |
crossing the finishing line. | :58:45. | :58:48. |