12/04/2017 Victoria Derbyshire


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I'm Victoria Derbyshire and welcome to the programme.

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Police are investigating a possible Islamist link to the three

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explosions which hit the Borussia Dortmund

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team bus last night - that's according to German media

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We will have the latest on the investigation and speak

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TRANSLATION: A letter was found near the blast scene. Due to the ongoing

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investigation, I can't give more information. The authenticity is

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being investigated. Also today, an exclusive

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interview with Scottish nurse Pauline Cafferkey,

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who tells us she's going to Sierra Leone where

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she contracted ebola, a disease which, twice,

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almost killed her. That's kind of where things started

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for me and I've had a terrible couple of years since then so it

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would be good to go back just for things to come full circle for me

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and a little bit of closure and end up with something good.

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That full interview coming up at 9.15am.

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And the US government is turning up the heat on Russia over its support

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America's top diplomat is in Moscow for talks with his opposite number.

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Hello and welcome to the programme. We're live until 11am.

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Also coming up later, we have an exclusive report on how

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Cambridgeshire County Council failed to protect a 15-year-old girl

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from being sexually abused by her teacher, despite warnings.

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The Victims' Commissioner, Baroness Newlove, tells us that

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teachers and social workers should be prosecuted if they fail to flag

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child sexual abuse concerns to stop cases like this.

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Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning.

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Use the hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged

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Police in Germany say they're investigating a possible Islamist

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link to last night's attack on the Borussia Dortmund

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Three explosions hit the bus, which was taking the club's players

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to their Champions League quarter-final against Monaco.

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Police say they believe the club was deliberately targeted.

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Forensic teams have spent the night examining the blast site.

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Three devices in what police described as a targeted attack

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exploded as the players' bus left their hotel shortly after 7pm.

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It's believed the explosives were hidden in a hedge and were

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But two panes at the back shattered, injuring Spanish

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international Marc Bartra, who has undergone surgery.

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At a press conference held soon afterwards,

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a spokesman for the team gave an update on his condition.

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TRANSLATION: Marc Bartra is being operated on right now

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for a broken bone in his right hand and he has got various glass shards

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The team, through captain Marcel Schmelzer, just rang me.

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They're still very shocked and thinking about Marc.

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The police are still trying to establish who was behind

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An official from the state prosecutor revealed that a letter

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TRANSLATION: I can say a letter was found near the blast scene.

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At the moment, due to the ongoing investigation, I can't give more

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The authenticity is being investigated.

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The devices exploded about ten kilometres

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The match has been postponed until later today.

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The world of football has come together in wishing Bartra a full

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recovery and condemning the attack, which has unsettled

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Our correspondent Gavin Lee is in Dortmund for us now.

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So the police are looking at an Islamist link, but presumably,

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far-right hooliganism too? Well, it is interesting Victoria. In the past

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30 minutes most of the German media have suddenly come out with details

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of what is purportedly in this letter which was found near the

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scene. It is reported this was a letter that said in the name of

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Allah. It went into detail about how German sports stars, how German

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high-profile people would continue to be targeted because of the

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tornadoes that were being flown and targeting so-called Islamic State in

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Syria and also there was a suggestion that there was a link to

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the Berlin attack and that was a reprisal from the arrest that

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followed with the man who was shot dead, the lorry truck attacker later

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on in Milan. He spent sometime here in Dortmund. The investigation stage

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has moved from Dortmund police to the Federal Police which suggests it

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is terrorism is the main theme of the investigation, however, at the

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moment, the police are stopping short from saying that. What we know

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officially from the police is this was a letter that purports to claim

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responsibility, but they are checking authenticity. If the

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contents, which is widely reported here is true, it maybe a first

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attempt to deceive if it is another area of investigation that they are

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looking at. So we are expecting another press conference later

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today, but suggestions at this investigation is turning somewhat.

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OK, that's interesting. In the meantime the game will be, has been

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rescheduled for this evening. Swift rescheduling. What are people saying

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about that? It is, a few minutes ago, there was some football fan

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from Monaco walking past and I spoke to them. Interesting actually how

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many people stayed in people's houses here in Germany. There was a

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tweet that went out, a hashtag open door for away fans. A lot of people

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took advantage of that. A lot of families put people up for the

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night. We saw the same thing after the Brussels attacks and the Nice

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attack, the Brussels attack. I was in the hotel where the Monaco team

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are staying. I spoke to the coach driver. He said he was worried about

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taking this journey tonight. The coach was surrounded by police.

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There is a sense of security ahead of the game.

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Annita McVeigh is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

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The US Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, is meeting his

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Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov in Moscow this morning, less

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than a week after the United States bombed an air base in Syria.

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He wants to persuade the Kremlin to drop its support for the current

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Syrian regime and its President, Bashar al-Assad.

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As a former oil executive, Mr Tillerson is more used

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to arriving in Moscow for business deals.

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This political mission may prove more difficult.

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Russia, he said on Tuesday, bears a heavy responsibility

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It is unclear whether Russia has failed to take this obligation

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seriously or whether rush is incompetent, but this distinction

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doesn't matter much to the dead. The US fired missiles at a Syrian

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air base, an act condemned by Syria's ally, Russia. Vladimir Putin

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appeared to harden his stance accusing opposition forces of

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planning further attacks. TRANSLATION: We have information

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from various sources that similar provocations, I can't call them any

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differently, are being prepared in other parts of Syria too. Including

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the southern suburbs of Damascus where they're preparing to release

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some sort of substance again. Whilst G7 ministers couldn't agree on new

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sanctions yesterday, they did endorse a joint call for Russia to

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abandon Assad, but right now, it seems that message may fall on deaf

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ears. President Trump's spokesman,

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Sean Spicer, has apologised for saying that Adolf Hitler didn't

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use chemical weapons. Mr Spicer made the remark

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in a White House press briefing, as he answered questions

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about the war in Syria. The Anne Frank Centre,

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which campaigns for human rights, described Mr Spicer's comment

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as an "evil slur" and said he now Britain's biggest supermarket chain,

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Tesco, has reported a 30% rise It made more than ?1.2 billion

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in the last financial year. Like-for-like sales,

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which strip out the impact of new store openings,

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grew 1% in the year to February. The company's chief

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executive Dave Lewis said It's no surprise that the industry

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has been under pressure, but it's been under pressure

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for the last three Actually, I think that where we sit

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as Tesco now is stronger than Our partnerships with our suppliers

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have never been stronger. Actually, whilst we see

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some of the challenges you are talking about,

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we feel more confident about our ability to deal with them

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and perhaps we did just The nurse Pauline Cafferkey,

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who contracted ebola in Sierra leone in 2014,

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has told this programme she's The 41-year-old says she has no fear

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about returning to Sierra Leone, Ms Cafferkey told Victoria she hopes

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the trip, which is to raise funds for orphaned children,

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will give her closure after what she describes

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as a "pretty tough couple of years". And you can see Pauline Cafferkey's

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interview with Victoria shortly. The head of United Airlines has

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apologised for what he called the "truly horrific" incident

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in which a passenger was forcibly dragged,

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screaming, from a flight. Footage of David Dao being removed

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from the overbooked plane was posted on social media and sparked

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a backlash against the company. The chief executive, Oscar Munoz,

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said, "I deeply apologise to the customer forcibly removed

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and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be

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mistreated this way." Originally he had maintained staff

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had followed established procedures. A fashion advert for Selfridges has

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been cleared by the advertising standards watchdog over a complaint

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that the model looked A promotional e-mail showed

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the woman standing side It prompted a reader

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to complain she was too thin and question whether the advert

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was socially irresponsible. However, the Advertising

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Standards Authority judged that the model did not appear

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to be "significantly underweight". A voter registration site that

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crashed in the run-up to last year's EU referendum could have been

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targeted by a foreign cyber attack, The "register to vote" site crashed

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on 7th June last year just before the deadline for people to sign

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up to vote. The Government and electoral

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administrators blamed a surge But MPs on the Parliamentary Public

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Administration Committee say a foreign cyber attack could not

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be ruled out. In Nigeria a senior commander

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at the country's road safety organisation has been disciplined

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after he was pictured cutting female Photos showing the male

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commander taking a pair of scissors to the women's hair

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during an inspection parade have One female aide to the president

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condemned the haircuts A shrimp which makes some

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of the loudest sounds in the ocean has been named after

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the rock band, Pink Floyd. It might not sound like it

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but the pistol shrimp, synalpheus pinkfloydi can

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use its claw to create a sound louder than a gunshot

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and is powerful enough That's a summary of the latest BBC

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News - more at 9.30am. If you are getting in touch with us,

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you're very welcome. Let's get some sport

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from Jessica, we've been hearing about the Dortmund team bus

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explosions, but the match It will be a really strange

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atmosphere though? Despite the distressing scenes we saw yesterday,

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the match will still go ahead at 5.45pm tonight and thousands of fans

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were already in the stadium last night before the announcement was

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made just 15 minutes before kick off of that rescheduled match. Many of

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the Monaco fans, once the news started to come in, of the Prost

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ponement and news of the team bus kind of being attacked, many of the

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Monaco fans chanting support for the Dortmund team and the players and

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that show of solidarity continued as Monaco fans opened, Dortmund fans

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opened up their homes and greeted the Monaco fans who needed time to

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stay in the German capital for another night and despite the chaos,

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I think, it was good to see that the football world really came together

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last night. And we know that incredibly only one

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player was slightly injured? Yes, that was defender, Marc Bartra, who

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went to hospital for minor surgery on a wrist injury. He is 26-year-old

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old and one of the players that was sitting next to him on the coach,

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the goalkeeper, he toll the Swiss paper after the bang, we all ducked

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in the bus and those who could, threw themselves to the ground. We

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were all shocked. Nobody thought of a football match in this moment. It

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makes you wonder about the mentality of the players, Victoria and whether

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they will be able to kind of shut out what happened and be able to get

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on with that football match this evening. Yes. And we've got another

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big night in Leicester's history? Yes, their first ever Champions

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League quarterfinal. But they're up against a team that's been in the

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final of this competition twice in the past three seasons, Atletico

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Madrid. Now, their captain has travelled with the squad. But is not

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thought to be fit enough to start the match. I think this will be an

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experience that the Leicester players will truly relish as you can

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see, they are on the pitch there taking selfies and videos of the

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stadium. Extra police have been lining the streets of Madrid after

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that attack on Dortmund. And Atletico's record, well, definitely

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makes Leicester the under dogs, but you know of Leicester and the

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fairytale football stories they have come up in recent seasons, you never

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know, they could be on for a win. They could be, yeah and they like

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being under dogs, thanks, Jess. In an exclusive interview

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with this programme, Scottish nurse Pauline Cafferkey has

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revealed that she is going back to the country where

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she contracted Ebola - a disease which twice

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nearly killed her. She says she hopes the trip,

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which is to raise funds for orphaned children there,

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will give her closure after It was in December 2014 that Pauline

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became ill and suffered multiple organ failure having caught

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the disease whilst helping ebola In our wide-ranging interview

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she says that being subjected to a Public Health England

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investigation after a relaps, was massively stressful and she also

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reveals that she was so paranoid about Ebola coming back,

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she carried a thermometer Really happy with how my

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health is and things. What kind of lasting physical

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effects has Ebola had on you? As a result of the meningitis,

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certain parts of my body are a bit numb or a bit painful as a result

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of the nerve damage. Even in the past couple

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of months I've noticed small My health is not what it was before,

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but it's pretty much as good as it's going to get,

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and I'm really happy with that. What is the difference

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between now and before you had In a physical sense I think

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I was used to being so fit and doing It was a big part of my life

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and then the first time round, the first time I had Ebola,

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it was OK. I managed to get back to sort

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of normal health and then obviously had a relapse with meningitis,

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which badly affected me. There was a relapse

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and then meningitis. The relapse was a result

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of me having Ebola. The Ebola caused meningitis

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and I had chronic meningitis What about the sort

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of psychological side of things? Surprisingly, they've been

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pretty good, actually. It's been a pretty

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tough couple of years. I'm not particularly

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a sentimental kind of person. I don't sit and analyse

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things greatly which has And at one point, I think, you felt

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so ill, you actually wanted to die. Is that right?

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Yeah. Can you tell me a little

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bit about that? It was the first time

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when I was really, I think there was a lot

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going on medical wise. I just remember people

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being around me and having a lot of intervention at the time

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and it was too much. I was in pain and probably suffering

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at the time and after that I don't What did Ebola actually

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do to your body? So, it's really

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multiple organ failure. The vomiting and diarrhoea you have

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is so profuse that the organs can't keep up with it

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and the organs start failing. So it affects many parts

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of the body in the acute stage. There are long-term

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repercussions as well. I thought, well when I was first

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told that I had it, I thought that my chances would be pretty good

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and certainly more so than had I got it when I was in

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Sierra Leone and been treated So I knew that having access

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to the NHS and being treated by the NHS, my chances

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would be much higher, a doubt, if I wasn't treated here,

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I would be dead now. The after effects of the meningitis,

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so the relapse that I had I was just destroyed,

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my body was destroyed. I was in a wheelchair initially

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when I got out of hospital and then I was on crutches and sticks

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and it's been a long, long, slow process and I'm

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still in a stage of healing really. You saw people dying in large

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numbers of this disease as part 11,000 people died in total,

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and now you're going back. I'm going back next

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month with a small UK They're doing some great things

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in Sierra Leone and every year they have a Sierra Leone marathon

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and I'm going back there with them. I definitely wouldn't be

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up for the marathon, but I plan to do 10K while I'm

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there, help with some fundraising and Street Child's identified 1200

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children who are particularly vulnerable and they were orphaned

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as a result of Ebola. So it'll be great to go out

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there and see Sierra Leone itself in a different state and also know

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that I might be able to help as well I think psychologically it's

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important as well that I go back. That's where things kind of started

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for me and I've had a terrible So it'll be good to go back,

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just for things to come full circle for me and a little bit of closure,

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and end up with something good, Can you recall some

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of the situations you were in when you were there

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in 2014, trying to help families,

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to treat patients? There's only one occasion

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in particular where it was a boy that witnessed the death

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of his mother. So in that situation,

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how old was this boy? And his mother is dying from Ebola

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and you're trying to presumably keep her comfortable

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in her last hours. Yeah, because she was

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end of life, yeah. He was just distraught,

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as you would be. And he'd lost other members

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of his family as well, so... I don't know what

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happened to him after. Is he someone that you might be

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able to try and seek It's Ebola free and has been

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for some time now, Sierra Leone. There might who some who say,

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what are you doing? Most people have been supportive

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if they know I'm going back. I've had a few people,

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like family and friends, who have said just be careful

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when you get back there. I'm not going there with any

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trepidation or anything like that. What do you think the public's

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reaction will be to you going back? I think after everything that's

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happened, the general public have So I think they would,

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well, think the same, I'm going there for

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a good cause as well. Physically, how will you find

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running 10K do you think? I'm not a big fan of running at all,

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so it's going to be hard. But like I said, this time last year

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I couldn't even run and now I can, so it will be tough,

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but I'm up for the challenge. I did, yeah, especially

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after having a relapse, and it's not so long ago that

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I was carrying a thermometer with me I guess from this year onwards,

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I'm not thinking that way at all. I'm pretty positive

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it's not going to happen. Not only did you come

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close to dying twice, but you were then accused of putting

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the public at risk by hiding your high temperature

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at the Public Health England unit before being allowed to fly

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to Glasgow from Heathrow, and accused of taking paracetamol

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deliberately to reduce You were cleared after a two-day

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hearing when the Nursing and Midwifery Council panel

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ruled that you were in a diminished medical

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state and merely swept along by events and found

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there was absolutely no attempt to mislead anybody.

:25:30.:25:31.

Certainly not the PHE doctors. How do you reflect on the fact that

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you were investigated? I don't hold anything

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against the Nursing They were just purely

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doing their job. It kind of came

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at a really bad time. It was very difficult for me

:25:47.:25:50.

with my physical health, so it was a massive stress on me

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when I was already going I have been, but I did

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leave the screening area, You know, I was very annoyed

:25:58.:26:13.

with myself at the time that I did leave it,

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but that was rectified pretty fast. And I guess, if anything,

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I just feel disappointed with Public Health England and how

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they looked after me when I was in Heathrow,

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and I can't really say a great deal about it because I think

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things are still ongoing. You say you're disappointed,

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why do you think they took Why do you think

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they investigated you? Because I left the screening area

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when I had a fever and didn't You said you felt guilty

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about having left that screening area and you started

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to question yourself. No, I don't, because I was really

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unwell at the time under rather I'd been travelling for 24 hours,

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and finished on night But no, I don't feel

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guilty about that now. As I said, you were cleared

:27:30.:27:32.

after that two-day hearing. There has been no public apology

:27:33.:27:36.

from Public Health England. Is that the end of the

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matter for you or not? I think going to Sierra Leone

:27:42.:27:44.

will help with closure on that Is this trip to Sierra Leone

:27:45.:27:51.

the start of you travelling again because you have done a lot of that,

:27:52.:27:59.

a lot of volunteering in the past? Do you think this is

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the start of a new phase? Travelling was a big part of my life

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before and I've not really done a great deal since I've been unwell

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just because I've not been able to. I'm not sure if I would go

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and volunteer and do aid work again. I think after having Ebola the first

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time I would have because I made a pretty fast recovery,

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but after the relapse, no. How would you describe the last

:28:30.:28:36.

couple of years in your life? Difficult, but a challenge and I'm

:28:37.:28:48.

still smiling and I plan on just Morris has tweeted, I can't work out

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if Pauline Cafferkey is brave or callous. Another communication asks

:29:17.:29:29.

whether it's brave or irresponsible to put herself in that situation

:29:30.:29:30.

again. The latest on the reports

:29:31.:29:31.

from Germany that police are investigating a possible

:29:32.:29:34.

Islamist link with an attack on the We'll be live at their training

:29:35.:29:37.

ground where they're And we're live in Moscow

:29:38.:29:40.

where the US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson is meeting

:29:41.:29:46.

now with his Russian counterpart counterpart to urge the Kremlin

:29:47.:29:49.

to abandon its support Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

:29:50.:29:51.

with a summary of today's news. Police in Germany are investigating

:29:52.:30:01.

a possible Islamic link after three explosions damaged a bus carrying

:30:02.:30:03.

the football team, Borussia Dortmund One player was injured and Dortmund

:30:04.:30:06.

Police believe the vehicle The match against Monaco has been

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postponed until this evening. Shortly we'll be speaking

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to a Borussia Dortmund fan and a sports journalist

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for the German newspaper, Bild. The US Secretary of State,

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Rex Tillerson, is meeting his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov

:30:31.:30:32.

in Moscow, less than a week after the United States bombed

:30:33.:30:35.

an air base in Syria. He wants to persuade the Kremlin

:30:36.:30:38.

to drop its support for the current Syrian regime and its

:30:39.:30:43.

president, Bashar al-Assad. However, the Russian President,

:30:44.:30:45.

Vladimir Putin maintains that Assad's forces were not responsible

:30:46.:30:47.

for the chemical attack which Britain's biggest supermarket chain,

:30:48.:30:49.

Tesco, has reported a 30% rise It made more than ?1.2 billion

:30:50.:30:57.

in the last financial year. Like-for-like sales,

:30:58.:31:02.

which strip out the impact of new store openings,

:31:03.:31:04.

grew 1% in the year to February. Scottish nurse Pauline Cafferkey who

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contracted ebola fwh Sierra Leone in 2014 has told this programme that

:31:19.:31:21.

she is going back to the country. The 41-year-old says she has no fear

:31:22.:31:25.

about returning to Sierra Leone three years after she became ill.

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Pauline Cafferkey said she hopes the trip, which is to raise funds for

:31:30.:31:33.

orphaned children, will give her closure after what she describes as

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a pretty tough couple of years. The head of United Airlines has

:31:35.:31:38.

apologised for what he called the "truly horrific" incident

:31:39.:31:42.

in which a passenger was forcibly dragged,

:31:43.:31:44.

screaming, from a flight. Footage of David Dao being removed

:31:45.:31:46.

from the overbooked plane was posted on social media and sparked

:31:47.:31:49.

a backlash against the company. The chief executive, Oscar Munoz,

:31:50.:31:52.

said, "I deeply apologise to the customer forcibly removed

:31:53.:31:54.

and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be

:31:55.:31:57.

mistreated this way." Originally he had maintained staff

:31:58.:31:59.

had followed established procedures. That's a summary of the latest BBC

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News - more at 10am. Board are yousia Dortmund will play

:32:10.:32:28.

their match this evening following the attack on their team bus last

:32:29.:32:35.

night. Leicester will be in action against Atletico Madrid. Leicester

:32:36.:32:39.

captain Wes Morgan travelled to Madrid, but isn't fit enough to

:32:40.:32:46.

start. Juventus' player reeked havoc

:32:47.:32:50.

against Barca last night. The City of Liverpool want to host the 2026

:32:51.:32:54.

Commonwealth Games as well as the 2022 event after the South African

:32:55.:33:00.

city of Durban pulled out. The sports executive will chair the bid.

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That's all the sport for now. German police are investigating

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who was responsible for what's being called a targeted attack

:33:08.:33:09.

on the football team Three explosive devices,

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hidden in bushes, were detonated shortly after the team's bus left

:33:12.:33:14.

the luxury hotel where They were on their way

:33:15.:33:16.

to their Champions League It's still not clear

:33:17.:33:22.

whether the devices were detonated One of the players, Marc Bartra,

:33:23.:33:25.

was injured when the bus' We can go live to Dortmund

:33:26.:33:32.

now where we're joined by Helge Doering, a Dortmund fan

:33:33.:33:42.

who was at the stadium We've also got Sebastian Kolsberger,

:33:43.:33:44.

a sports journalist He's outside the training ground

:33:45.:33:47.

in Dortmund where the football team are due to arrive for training

:33:48.:33:54.

in the next half an hour. And you expect them to turn up as

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normal? We expect at 11am, between 9am and 10am and now they're having

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breakfast with the team together and the trainer, the coach, and the rest

:34:11.:34:25.

of the team, I think at 11am they will have training for the game

:34:26.:34:31.

tonight. What frame of mind are they going to be in after what happened

:34:32.:34:34.

last night and ahead of tonight's game? Yeah, it will be very

:34:35.:34:46.

difficult for the players especially.

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INAUDIBLE Yes, it will be a very difficult

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game for them. Hopefully everything will be OK.

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Hopefully, thank you very much. I'm going to leave it there because it

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feels really windy and we're struggling to hear you, but we got

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the gist of what you were saying. It will be difficult for the team in

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terms of replaying this game tonight particularly when one of their own

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is in hospital being treated. Helge you were close to the stadium when

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it happened? I was on my way to the stadium. What was the atmosphere

:35:27.:35:30.

like when the news started filtering through? I always take like a 20

:35:31.:35:35.

minute walk to the stadium and I had two of my friends with me and we

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were chatting along about the probable result of the game and what

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tactics and so on and when we just were close to the entrance gates

:35:45.:35:50.

like ten meters away we overheard somebody from the Dortmund team, he

:35:51.:35:54.

was talking to someone and he said there had been a blast on the bus

:35:55.:36:00.

and then I grabbed my phone and I already had like 20 messages from

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friends and my brother warning me not to go to the stadium and then I

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said well, we'll just leave the scene here and go to somewhere where

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it's not crowded because yeah, in the wake of the of the Paris attacks

:36:19.:36:21.

I thought maybe if there is another strike it will be here. So just

:36:22.:36:30.

leave the scene and when we left, we already saw a calm at moss ferks but

:36:31.:36:35.

like many people like one-third of the fans was also leaving the scene

:36:36.:36:40.

and normally it's just a one way direction. They all go towards the

:36:41.:36:45.

stadium and not coming from it and like half of the people were looking

:36:46.:36:52.

in their mobile cellar phones or they were talking on it. It was a

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hard situation and a strange feeling and we tried to yeah to avoid big

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crowds and move to the city centre. Will you go to the game this

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evening? I'm not quite sure. I have a friend coming over from Finland.

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He wants to see the game, but I'm not sure if they should play today.

:37:20.:37:24.

I think out of respect for Marc Bartra and for the wounded

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policeman, I think there should be no game at all. I think they should

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stop it and not play at all and it's out of respect for the players. They

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have trauma. I don't know if, it will not be a game in normal

:37:44.:37:50.

circumstances and I think even if we drop out of the competition right

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now, I will still be proud of this team and yeah, I don't know. Out of

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respect for the players and for the game I think Uefa should not start

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the game today. So you would be happy to for the game, this match

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between Dortmund and Monaco, not to go ahead and Dortmund forfeit their

:38:18.:38:22.

place and let Monaco progress? If it is the way to protect the players,

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yesterday they were witnesses, they were targets of massive blast. I

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don't know how it could have killed them all. I think one day later you

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expect them to play football like nothing happened, I think that's a

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really, really strange view of the game. The games have to go on and

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don't give in to those terror groups, but yeah, I would be

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completely happy if they say we cannot play today. We just don't

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feel right and this would be completely OK with me as a fan. I

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would be proud if they did. Really interesting. Thank you very

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much, Helge for their thoughts. Helge Doering who was close to the

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stadium. Let's talk now to a security expert.

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Lee Doddridge, director of Covenant, a security and risk company.

:39:28.:39:30.

He was also involved in co-ordinating security

:39:31.:39:31.

at London 2012 Olympics and was at the National Counter

:39:32.:39:34.

German media are reporting that the letter found close to the scene

:39:35.:39:40.

apparently said in the name of Allah, so the police are looking at

:39:41.:39:46.

an Islamist link. That's been confirmed. That wouldn't be a huge

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surprise, would it? From a security prospective and looking back on

:39:50.:39:53.

previous attacks it would be a surprise if Isis were actually part

:39:54.:39:59.

of this attack purely there is a number of reasons. The method in

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which it was deployed, the remote, the remote IED being used and

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actually leaving a letter. It is very speculative on that claim and

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possibly could be a ploy by other groups to shift the blame on to Isis

:40:17.:40:20.

and the migrant community. It might not be, you know, an Isis

:40:21.:40:28.

organised explosion, but it could be an individual inspired by Isis? It

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could well be. But also there is a significant change here is where we

:40:38.:40:42.

have had lone wolf attacks using vehicles or other devices to make a

:40:43.:40:46.

remote IED with a trigger whether it is a phone or some other mechanism,

:40:47.:40:52.

there is a high level of training and sophistication which doesn't fit

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with the current threats that we have seen in Europe. OK. You were

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partly responsible for co-ordinating security at London 2012. Security

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around any high-profile sporting event is a huge job, isn't it? It

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is, but in the UK and throughout Europe, we are well rehearsed and

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have held some fantastic tournaments. If we look at the

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security operation at the Euros last year and the final moving into

:41:19.:41:22.

Cardiff this June, Cardiff is no stranger to large sporting events

:41:23.:41:26.

and the security. Obviously they will look at the current inquiry and

:41:27.:41:30.

make appropriate measures if they need to.

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In terms of the security surrounding the rescheduled game today, that

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will be upped? Without a dausmt it is still early in the investigation.

:41:41.:41:45.

So you would expect a higher security presence which the fans I

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think would also welcome. And you know the event will probably go

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ahead as planned for this evening, but with just additional resources

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on the ground. Thank you very much. This morning, fresh figures

:41:57.:42:07.

were published on how many people are employed in the UK and how

:42:08.:42:09.

much they earn. Joining me now is our

:42:10.:42:12.

Economics Editor Kamal Ahmed who can Good morning. Good morning,

:42:13.:42:16.

Victoria. Quite a mixed picturement on employment strong figures.

:42:17.:42:19.

Unemployment is at a 12 year low. People are able to find jobs and

:42:20.:42:23.

that is good news for the economy. But what's interesting is the

:42:24.:42:26.

earnings figure. More interesting, we know we have been having

:42:27.:42:29.

increased inflation since the fall in the value of sterling after the

:42:30.:42:33.

referendum. That's meant that import prices of food and fuel are getting

:42:34.:42:38.

more expensive. Yesterday the Office for National Statistics announced

:42:39.:42:44.

that inflation was 2.3%. Today, average incomes are rising by 2.2%.

:42:45.:42:50.

So they have fallen below that monthly inflation figure. That means

:42:51.:42:54.

that the income squeeze is back. What's incredible Victoria, since

:42:55.:42:59.

the financial crisis incomes have hardly risen since 2008. If you take

:43:00.:43:05.

average weekly earnings from 2008 and look at them today, people are

:43:06.:43:11.

still ?26 a week on average worse off than they were in 2008. This

:43:12.:43:17.

income squeeze has returned for a period we had low inflation,

:43:18.:43:20.

although wages weren't going up fast, we had very low inflation. Now

:43:21.:43:24.

the inflation is coming back. The income squeeze is starting. People

:43:25.:43:28.

are realising that food prices are going up, and clothing prices are

:43:29.:43:31.

going up. This is one of the problems for the UK economy for this

:43:32.:43:35.

year. Our economy is very much based on consumer confidence and consumers

:43:36.:43:40.

spending and continuing to spend if they find their spending power is

:43:41.:43:44.

reduced, they stop spending and that could mean economic growth could

:43:45.:43:46.

slow. We will see what happens. Thank you very much. Thank you.

:43:47.:43:51.

President Trump's foreign policy chief Rex Tillerson is in Moscow

:43:52.:43:53.

holding crucial talks about the situation in Syria

:43:54.:43:57.

with his Russian opposite number, Sergei Lavrov.

:43:58.:43:59.

The US Secretary of State is trying to persuade Russia to stop

:44:00.:44:03.

supporting President Assad's regime following last week's suspected

:44:04.:44:08.

chemical attack on a rebel-held town in which 89 people died.

:44:09.:44:14.

But Mr Tillerson's prospects of success do not look huge.

:44:15.:44:18.

Ahead of the meeting the Kremlin repeated that the deaths

:44:19.:44:20.

were a consequence of Syrian government forces bombing a storage

:44:21.:44:23.

facility where chemical weapons held by the rebels were being stored.

:44:24.:44:31.

The meeting has got underway with an uncompromising statement from the

:44:32.:44:39.

Russian Foreign Minister. Let's hear what he said.

:44:40.:44:47.

TRANSLATION: We have raised multiple times that we are prepared for a

:44:48.:44:51.

constructive equal footing. This is our consistent policy and it

:44:52.:45:11.

is completely in line with the international law and it is not

:45:12.:45:16.

influenced by the current politically mat with the complicated

:45:17.:45:22.

choices and wrong choices either with us or against us.

:45:23.:45:35.

We believe in collective actions and we do not think it's effective to

:45:36.:45:40.

have the hind closed doors alliances. -- to have the Hind

:45:41.:45:52.

closed doors alliances. We have given our position, we have got our

:45:53.:45:55.

message across to Washington and to you as well multiple times.

:45:56.:46:09.

It is important for us to understand your intentions and the intentions

:46:10.:46:16.

of the US and the real intentions of this Administration. We hope we can

:46:17.:46:19.

clear those things up today. Welcome. And this was Rex

:46:20.:46:28.

Tillerson's response. Our meetings today come at an important moment in

:46:29.:46:33.

the relationship so that we can further clarify areas of common

:46:34.:46:38.

objectives and common interests, even when our tactical approaches

:46:39.:46:43.

might be different. And to further clarify areas of sharp difference so

:46:44.:46:46.

we can better understand why these differences exist. And what the

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prospects for narrowing those differences might be. I look forward

:46:52.:46:57.

to a very open, candid and frank exchange so we can better to find

:46:58.:47:02.

the US- Russian relationship from this point. -- better define.

:47:03.:47:05.

Live to Moscow and our correspondent Sarah Rainsford.

:47:06.:47:09.

Can you draw out the significance of those comments? It's clear this will

:47:10.:47:15.

be a tough conversation that these two men are sitting down to. I think

:47:16.:47:21.

what's important from what Sergei Lavrov said is that Russia doesn't

:47:22.:47:27.

take kindly to being told to choose, are you with us or against us? His

:47:28.:47:33.

main point was to say that Russia has made its position clear for a

:47:34.:47:37.

long time and acts in its own national interest. When it comes to

:47:38.:47:41.

Syria that has always been about supporting President Assad so far.

:47:42.:47:47.

Russia is heavily politically and militarily supporting Assad in

:47:48.:47:52.

Syria. It seems from what Sergei Lavrov says, that it will not change

:47:53.:47:56.

under pressure from Washington. But he says he's open to dialogue and

:47:57.:48:00.

what he's underlining is that this is a meeting where Russia wants to

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know really what the US foreign policy, and what its policy towards

:48:06.:48:11.

Russia and towards Syria is. There was a slight snort from Sergei

:48:12.:48:15.

Lavrov when he said, we want to know your real intentions. He said people

:48:16.:48:19.

are not even in post in the State Department and we don't know where

:48:20.:48:22.

you are coming from. That was the implication of what he was saying.

:48:23.:48:26.

Rex Tillerson has come here with a strong position saying that basher

:48:27.:48:32.

al-Assad is not part of the solution for Syria and he will have to go. I

:48:33.:48:37.

think it will be a difficult dialogue today. When we look back a

:48:38.:48:46.

few months to when Donald Trump and his team took over the White House,

:48:47.:48:49.

there was a hopeful mood in Moscow, but now I think we are back to a

:48:50.:48:54.

very difficult relationship. The Foreign Ministry here has described

:48:55.:48:57.

it as one of the most complex times for relations since the end of the

:48:58.:49:02.

Cold War. But there hadn't been a chemical attack then on killing 89

:49:03.:49:05.

Syrian people. Really tough conversations. I wonder what can be

:49:06.:49:13.

achieved. Clearly Rex Tillerson came here with very strong language

:49:14.:49:18.

accusing Moscow of either being complicit or incompetent as regard

:49:19.:49:23.

the attack. He made the point Russia had committed to making sure Syria

:49:24.:49:27.

had handed over its chemical weapons and it didn't use or maintain any

:49:28.:49:34.

for the future. Rex Tillerson says Russia either knew about what was

:49:35.:49:40.

happening or was complacent in allowing it to happen. Russia has

:49:41.:49:44.

said very strongly, and we heard again from President Putin in an

:49:45.:49:51.

interview he gave overnight, that the Syrian government denies its

:49:52.:49:57.

responsibility for the attack. Sergei Lavrov called it illegal.

:49:58.:50:04.

That the United States launched missiles into Syria to the base

:50:05.:50:07.

where the attack was allegedly carried out from. It's hard to see

:50:08.:50:12.

where the two sides come together. It's early days relationship.

:50:13.:50:24.

Whether those sides can look for positive cooperation and move

:50:25.:50:28.

forward, it's difficult to see. Is President Putin only forced to care

:50:29.:50:33.

about what the US says because of those missile strikes? I think the

:50:34.:50:37.

President Putin domestically feels pretty stronger at the moment. I

:50:38.:50:42.

don't think that missile strike has changed much there. It's acted in a

:50:43.:50:47.

way, on the contrary, it has allowed President Putin once again to return

:50:48.:50:53.

to the position of showing Russia has an external enemy, a country

:50:54.:50:58.

whose interests don't coincide with Russia's and to present Russia as

:50:59.:51:03.

the victim in this. Russia will argue it has been unfairly accused

:51:04.:51:12.

of actions in Syria. Russia will use this, to a domestic audience at

:51:13.:51:15.

least, to prop up its current position. I think Putin is not too

:51:16.:51:22.

worried by what's happened. I think there is a sense of confusion about

:51:23.:51:29.

what US foreign policy is and where the US stands because there have

:51:30.:51:33.

been conflicting messages. This is the first chance to clarify

:51:34.:51:37.

positions face to face around the table at the Foreign Ministry and

:51:38.:51:40.

see where things go from here. Thank you, Sarah Raynsford.

:51:41.:51:44.

From Moscow, Alexander Bovdunov, a journalist with the website

:51:45.:51:49.

Jan Halper Hayes is a member of President Trump's transition team.

:51:50.:51:57.

And Xenia Wickett is head of US and the Americas Programme

:51:58.:52:00.

at policy institute, Chatham House.

:52:01.:52:02.

How bad would you say relations are between Russia and the US? I can

:52:03.:52:14.

only say that our feelings about this visit can be described in one

:52:15.:52:21.

word, frustration. Today we have no hopes and no big expectations

:52:22.:52:27.

because those missile strikes, they really damaged the situation. Before

:52:28.:52:32.

then there had been certain hopes that Rex Tillerson might improve the

:52:33.:52:36.

US - Russia relations and might restore mutual cooperation is in the

:52:37.:52:42.

sphere of fighting terrorism. Today we see that he can't do that. The US

:52:43.:52:50.

administration tries to negotiate from a position of strength. I think

:52:51.:52:53.

it's not the best way to talk with Russia. Bringing in a member of

:52:54.:53:00.

President Trump's transition team. Do you know what the US foreign

:53:01.:53:05.

policy is at the moment? Are we talking about the whole US foreign

:53:06.:53:10.

policy or the situation with Syria? In general he cares about defeating

:53:11.:53:15.

Isis. His other concern was to work with our eyes to focus on cyber

:53:16.:53:20.

security and working to share intelligence. I don't think his

:53:21.:53:29.

position has changed that much. -- work with our allies. What happens

:53:30.:53:37.

with Trump is that he says one thing and then you put him in a box and

:53:38.:53:42.

you don't allow the other aspects. That's one of the reasons he was

:53:43.:53:46.

voted in. The foreign policy was always there. It was always

:53:47.:53:51.

non-interventionist. I think we need to look at the parallel between

:53:52.:53:57.

Trump and Ronald Reagan in 1981 with the Gulf of Citra. They both took

:53:58.:54:03.

over after their world very weak Democratic presidents who had a

:54:04.:54:06.

really reduced the military. What they needed to do was say that there

:54:07.:54:10.

is a strong player in town and we are not going to take this. This was

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a marked, strategic strike. A one-off? Very much so. As Nikki

:54:19.:54:24.

Haley said at the UN, if you do it again, we will react. This is

:54:25.:54:28.

blowing it out of proportion and think it leads to boots on the

:54:29.:54:37.

ground and that's unrealistic. What should America's top diplomat's what

:54:38.:54:51.

should his approach be? I think we should be optimistic. And we should

:54:52.:54:56.

take the same approach as when President Trump met the Chinese

:54:57.:55:02.

president last week. It's too early right now in the days of Donald

:55:03.:55:05.

Trump for the State Department to have figured out what their policy

:55:06.:55:12.

is. It doesn't have the personnel. It didn't spend months or years

:55:13.:55:17.

figuring out what their position would be if they took office,

:55:18.:55:19.

perhaps because they were not expecting it. And they were not

:55:20.:55:23.

expecting a chemical attack on the Syrian people as well. Exactly. We

:55:24.:55:30.

need to rein in expectations. This is about getting to know one

:55:31.:55:34.

another. We shouldn't expect they will suddenly be steps forward in

:55:35.:55:38.

the US and Russia relationship. I agree with Jan, I think this is a

:55:39.:55:43.

one off rather than a strategy. Perhaps where I disagree is that

:55:44.:55:48.

this was not a strategic attack against Syrians, this was a

:55:49.:55:52.

responsive attack against Syrians. But I think the foreign policy

:55:53.:55:55.

Donald Trump laid out during the campaign, which is one of America

:55:56.:56:03.

first, which is one of directly focusing on US national interests,

:56:04.:56:07.

is the one we will see over the longer-term. With the occasional act

:56:08.:56:11.

like this. What is the US national interest when it comes to Syria? A

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great question. Donald Trump and his team have laid it out, is to

:56:17.:56:21.

counterterrorism, it's IS, that's where it is. This was a reactive

:56:22.:56:27.

event. More outrage, perhaps. In many cases many would argue that it

:56:28.:56:31.

was actually a very positive act. To assume from this one act that

:56:32.:56:35.

America's foreign policy is suddenly changing from what Donald Trump laid

:56:36.:56:40.

out in his campaign is vastly misguided. You also have to take

:56:41.:56:46.

into consideration that the Egyptian president and King Abdullah had been

:56:47.:56:49.

at the White House in the days preceding this. And the focus was on

:56:50.:56:56.

the Syrian chemical attack. At the Rose Garden, with King Abdullah in

:56:57.:56:59.

the press conference, Donald Trump said that we were getting more money

:57:00.:57:04.

to Jordan because they were the only country really taking care of the

:57:05.:57:09.

refugees. Both leaders reiterated that those refugees wanted to return

:57:10.:57:15.

to their country. An Associated Press representative asked Donald

:57:16.:57:18.

Trump if he had taken responsible Defour the red Line Obama had put

:57:19.:57:22.

down. He said, yes, it's my responsibility. He was very moved

:57:23.:57:26.

and upset by this because it was a chemical attack. Not for anything

:57:27.:57:30.

other than that. That was the strategic strike. I think we have to

:57:31.:57:36.

be a little careful. And President Trump needs to be careful. Because

:57:37.:57:41.

having an emotional response to something is not how you conduct

:57:42.:57:44.

foreign policy. I think we need to be careful. I agree with you in that

:57:45.:57:50.

we should not take this response, this attack on Syria is a

:57:51.:57:53.

manifestation of where American foreign policy is going. If I am in

:57:54.:57:58.

the footsteps, and I wouldn't want to be, of President Trump, I would

:57:59.:58:01.

be careful of taking emotional responses, because that will tie you

:58:02.:58:06.

win and cause challenges, as he has seen with the media response. Thank

:58:07.:58:10.

you both very much and 22 Alexander in Moscow.

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Coming up, we'll bring you the latest on those bombs

:58:13.:58:15.

targeting the Borussia Dortmund team bus and speak to a fan

:58:16.:58:17.

who was just metres away when the attack happened.

:58:18.:58:20.

German media reports this morning that police are investigating an

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Islamist link. Let's get the latest weather

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update with Philip Avery. A very good morning to you. At no

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little expense, I will start off with three weather watcher pictures

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that give an indication of the varied conditions. In the far south,

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it's as glorious as that, and moving further north you go into a cloudier

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zone. At its worst, the weather really is that bad. It all comes

:58:52.:58:57.

thanks to a weather front that's sat over the north of the British Isles

:58:58.:59:01.

yesterday that has now spread its cloud and rain further southwards to

:59:02.:59:05.

the extent we have seen a wet morning across parts of Northern

:59:06.:59:08.

Ireland, southern Scotland, and rain across the Pennines getting as far

:59:09.:59:13.

down as the Wash. There is no great speed about the retreat of the

:59:14.:59:17.

weather front for south. The good news is, if you happen to get

:59:18.:59:22.

tangled up with it, as it comes further south it will show less and

:59:23.:59:29.

less rain. The odd spot of rain might get down to Pembrokeshire and

:59:30.:59:33.

the South Midlands, and maybe a spot in East Anglia. The Southern

:59:34.:59:36.

counties getting away with in essentially dry day. 11-16 covers

:59:37.:59:45.

the temperatures for most of us. Going into Thursday, the big

:59:46.:59:51.

picture, we have quite a few isobars on the chart, especially in the

:59:52.:59:54.

north-eastern quarter of Scotland. A chilly start and a bright one for

:59:55.:59:58.

the greater part of the East and two thirds of the British Isles. Cloud

:59:59.:00:03.

from the word go in the north-west and filling in all the while.

:00:04.:00:07.

Increasing chances of showers if not longer spells of rain in the

:00:08.:00:11.

north-west quarter of Scotland. I'm afraid you will lose sunshine

:00:12.:00:14.

perhaps on the eastern side of the British Isles. Not completely but it

:00:15.:00:19.

will cloud up. Into Good Friday, and there is a chance of quite a bit of

:00:20.:00:23.

cloud around. Temperatures not bad for the time of year. Nowhere near

:00:24.:00:28.

the weekend, but that's was always the plan. Some rain out West that

:00:29.:00:32.

will break forward to the east. That sets us up for the holiday weekend.

:00:33.:00:38.

The main message is, it's not a write off anywhere across the

:00:39.:00:43.

British Isles. I will show you Saturday, Sunday and on into Monday

:00:44.:00:47.

quickly. Weather fronts coming through, one in the northern half of

:00:48.:00:51.

the British Isles on Sunday, high pressure in the south, still settle.

:00:52.:00:55.

A great deal of uncertainty into Monday at the moment. The whole

:00:56.:00:59.

system is quite mobile and if it rains on you for a wee while, don't

:01:00.:01:04.

despair, it will not do it right through the course of the holiday

:01:05.:01:05.

weekend. Our top story Police

:01:06.:01:12.

are investigating a possible Islamist link to the three

:01:13.:01:18.

explosions which hit the Borussia Dortmund

:01:19.:01:20.

team bus last night - that's according to

:01:21.:01:22.

German media reports. Juanfran believes the rescheduled

:01:23.:01:31.

game shouldn't go ahead today. I think they shouldn't play today, out

:01:32.:01:37.

of respect for Marc Bartra and the wounded policeman, I don't think

:01:38.:01:40.

there should be a game at all. -- one fan believes.

:01:41.:01:42.

We have the latest on the investigation.

:01:43.:01:44.

We'll get the latest on the investigation and speak

:01:45.:01:46.

to one fan who was moments from the scene of the blast.

:01:47.:01:50.

Also, the Scottish nurse Pauline Cafferkey tells us,

:01:51.:01:52.

in an exclusive interview, she has no trepidation

:01:53.:01:54.

about returning to Sierra Leone - the country where she contracted

:01:55.:01:57.

the virus Ebola, which twice nearly killed her.

:01:58.:01:59.

It's really multiple organ failure - the vomiting and diarrhoea

:02:00.:02:01.

is so profuse that the organs can't keep up with it, and the organs

:02:02.:02:04.

start failing, so it affects many parts of the body.

:02:05.:02:09.

And you can read more about Pauline Cafferkey

:02:10.:02:10.

One woman tells this programme how her council knew

:02:11.:02:24.

she was being abused by her school teacher, but did nothing.

:02:25.:02:28.

Now the Victims' Commissioner says teachers and social workers should

:02:29.:02:30.

be prosecuted if they fail to alert the authorities to allegations

:02:31.:02:33.

On several occasions he tied me to a radiator with a dog collar

:02:34.:02:37.

and told me not to move and made me sit there naked.

:02:38.:02:47.

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:02:48.:02:51.

Police in Germany say they're investigating a possible Islamist

:02:52.:02:56.

link to last night's attack on the Borussia Dortmund

:02:57.:02:58.

There are reports in the German media that an antifascist group

:02:59.:03:06.

claimed it carried out the attack. Three explosions hit the bus,

:03:07.:03:09.

which was taking the club's players to their Champions League

:03:10.:03:11.

quarter-final against Monaco. Police say they believe the club

:03:12.:03:13.

was deliberately targeted. Forensic teams have spent the night

:03:14.:03:15.

examining the blast site. Three devices in what police

:03:16.:03:23.

described as a targeted attack exploded as the players' bus

:03:24.:03:25.

left their hotel shortly after 7pm. It's believed the explosives

:03:26.:03:33.

were hidden in a hedge and were But two panes at the back

:03:34.:03:35.

shattered, injuring Spanish international Marc Bartra,

:03:36.:03:39.

who has undergone surgery. At a press conference

:03:40.:03:41.

held soon afterwards, a spokesman for the team gave

:03:42.:03:47.

an update on his condition. TRANSLATION: Marc Bartra

:03:48.:03:52.

is being operated on right now for a broken bone in his right hand

:03:53.:03:57.

and he has got various glass shards The team, through captain

:03:58.:04:01.

Marcel Schmelzer, just rang me. They're still very shocked

:04:02.:04:04.

and thinking about Marc. The police are still trying

:04:05.:04:06.

to establish who was behind An official from the state

:04:07.:04:11.

prosecutor revealed that a letter TRANSLATION: I can say a letter

:04:12.:04:17.

was found near the blast scene. At the moment, due to the ongoing

:04:18.:04:26.

investigation, I can't give more The authenticity is

:04:27.:04:29.

being investigated. The devices exploded

:04:30.:04:33.

about ten kilometres The match has been postponed

:04:34.:04:36.

until later today. The world of football has come

:04:37.:04:41.

together in wishing Bartra a full recovery and condemning the attack,

:04:42.:04:44.

which has unsettled The US Secretary of State,

:04:45.:04:45.

Rex Tillerson, is meeting his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov

:04:46.:04:58.

in Moscow this morning. He's expected to call

:04:59.:04:59.

for the Kremlin to withdraw its support for the Syrian regime

:05:00.:05:03.

after last week's Ahead of the talks Mr Tillerson said

:05:04.:05:05.

he was looking forward Mr Lavrov said US airstrikes

:05:06.:05:09.

in Syria were a "violation of law". We have given our position. We have

:05:10.:05:23.

got our message across to Washington and to you as well multiple times.

:05:24.:05:37.

And it is important for us to understand your intentions and the

:05:38.:05:44.

intentions of the US and the real intentions of this administration,

:05:45.:05:47.

but we hope that we can clear up today these things.

:05:48.:05:49.

President Trump's spokesman, Sean Spicer, has apologised

:05:50.:05:52.

for saying that Adolf Hitler didn't use chemical weapons.

:05:53.:05:54.

Mr Spicer made the remark in a White House press briefing,

:05:55.:05:57.

as he answered questions about the war in Syria.

:05:58.:06:01.

The Anne Frank Centre, which campaigns for human rights,

:06:02.:06:03.

described Mr Spicer's comment as an "evil slur" and said he now

:06:04.:06:06.

Britain's biggest supermarket chain, Tesco, has reported a 30% rise

:06:07.:06:13.

It made more than ?1.2 billion in the last financial year.

:06:14.:06:19.

Like-for-like sales, which strip out the impact

:06:20.:06:20.

of new store openings, grew 1% in the year to February.

:06:21.:06:23.

The company's chief executive, Dave Lewis, said he was

:06:24.:06:25.

The head of United Airlines has apologised for what he called

:06:26.:06:35.

the "truly horrific" incident in which a passenger

:06:36.:06:37.

was forcibly dragged, screaming, from a flight.

:06:38.:06:39.

Footage of David Dao being removed from the overbooked plane was posted

:06:40.:06:41.

on social media and sparked a backlash against the company.

:06:42.:06:45.

The chief executive, Oscar Munoz, said, "I deeply apologise

:06:46.:06:50.

to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard.

:06:51.:06:53.

No one should ever be mistreated this way."

:06:54.:06:55.

Originally he had maintained staff had followed established procedures.

:06:56.:07:03.

A voter registration site that crashed in the run-up to last year's

:07:04.:07:06.

EU referendum could have been targeted by a foreign cyber attack,

:07:07.:07:08.

The "register to vote" site crashed on 7th June last year just before

:07:09.:07:13.

the deadline for people to sign up to vote.

:07:14.:07:15.

The Government and electoral administrators blamed a surge

:07:16.:07:17.

But MPs on the Parliamentary Public Administration Committee say

:07:18.:07:21.

a foreign cyber attack could not be ruled out.

:07:22.:07:32.

The Scottish nurse Pauline Cafferkey, who contracted ebola

:07:33.:07:34.

in Sierra leone in 2014, has exclusively told this

:07:35.:07:36.

programme that she's going back to the country.

:07:37.:07:38.

The 41-year-old says she has no fear about returning to Sierra Leone,

:07:39.:07:41.

Ms Cafferkey told Victoria she hopes the trip, which is to raise funds

:07:42.:07:45.

for orphaned children, will give her closure

:07:46.:07:47.

after what she describes as a "pretty tough couple of years".

:07:48.:07:57.

I think psychologically it is important as well that I go

:07:58.:08:03.

back and that's where things kind of started for me and I've had

:08:04.:08:06.

a terrible couple of years since then so it would be good to go

:08:07.:08:09.

back just for things to come full circle for me.

:08:10.:08:15.

A little bit of closure and end up with something good. Something

:08:16.:08:19.

positive as well. A shrimp which makes some

:08:20.:08:22.

of the loudest sounds in the ocean has been named after the rock band,

:08:23.:08:25.

Pink Floyd. It might not sound like it,

:08:26.:08:27.

but the pistol shrimp, synalpheus pinkfloydi,

:08:28.:08:41.

can use its claw to create a sound louder than a gunshot

:08:42.:08:45.

and that is powerful enough That's a summary of the latest BBC

:08:46.:08:48.

News - more at 10.30am. Thank you very much.

:08:49.:08:57.

Gillian has e-mailed from Wimbledon. I'm furious listening to your cat

:08:58.:09:01.

with Pauline Cafferkey this morning. My daughter was on the same flight

:09:02.:09:07.

flying in December 2014 to Heathrow. We had to monitor our temperature

:09:08.:09:11.

for 21 days following this flight. She had no punitive punishment over

:09:12.:09:16.

her behaviour and I resent your soft touch interview without getting to

:09:17.:09:20.

the core of the issue which is complete lack of concern about the

:09:21.:09:23.

people who travelled at the same time as her." Helen says, "This Lady

:09:24.:09:29.

Is nothing short offer responsible to go back to Sierra Leone." Audrey

:09:30.:09:37.

says, "She is brave. Fantastic that she has recovered from Ebola twice?"

:09:38.:09:41.

Is this brave? It is a question quite a few of you are raising.

:09:42.:09:54.

Coming up, the Russian journalist who broke the story that gay men

:09:55.:09:57.

are being held in camps in the Chechen Republic,

:09:58.:09:59.

where they are subjected to torture and beatings,

:10:00.:10:01.

tells us that she has had to go into hiding because of her report.

:10:02.:10:06.

The Borussia Dortmund players are back in training this morning.

:10:07.:10:18.

The Champions League quarter-final between Borussia Dortmund and Monaco

:10:19.:10:20.

It was postponed yesterday evening after the Dortmund

:10:21.:10:24.

team bus was attacked 90 minutes before kick-off.

:10:25.:10:26.

Thousands of fans were already in the stadium when news began

:10:27.:10:29.

to filter in about the attack, and the opposing Monaco fans

:10:30.:10:32.

chanted their support for the Dortmund players.

:10:33.:10:33.

The football world has joined together in wishing defender

:10:34.:10:35.

Marc Bartra a speedy recovery after he was admitted to hospital

:10:36.:10:38.

for surgery on his wrist after being caught up

:10:39.:10:40.

This morning, the Dortmund president praised the fans.

:10:41.:10:43.

I was very lucky when I heard how the fans reacted and called,

:10:44.:10:54.

"Dortmund. Dortmund." It is solidarity that we have like this

:10:55.:11:02.

only in sport and that's the only positive thing we learned yesterday.

:11:03.:11:07.

In sport, it is possible to make solidarity and to make respect, to

:11:08.:11:13.

help each other. I'm sure that the people are discussing the whole day

:11:14.:11:17.

what happened yesterday. But when they come to the stadium, we will

:11:18.:11:22.

have a fantastic atmosphere. That's what I feel.

:11:23.:11:25.

In the other quarter-final, Juventus put Barcelona

:11:26.:11:30.

through another embarrassing Champions League defeat.

:11:31.:11:36.

That's three in their last four games on the road now.

:11:37.:11:39.

Paulo Dibala scored twice in Juve's 3-nil win.

:11:40.:11:42.

Uefa has said security measures will be tight around

:11:43.:11:44.

all the European ties this week, including Leicester's

:11:45.:11:46.

quarter-final first leg against Atletico Madrid tonight.

:11:47.:11:48.

The Leicester players will have to focus on matters

:11:49.:11:50.

ON the pitch though as they embark on one of the biggest

:11:51.:11:53.

Last year's Premier League winners are the only English club

:11:54.:11:57.

Captain Wes Morgan has travelled with the team but won't start,

:11:58.:12:00.

BBC Radio Leicester's Ian Stringer is in Madrid this morning,

:12:01.:12:04.

and says the players will relish the occasion.

:12:05.:12:09.

I think it's the biggest game in the club's history. I have been watching

:12:10.:12:15.

Leicester City, my dad took me when I was four or five years. I'm

:12:16.:12:20.

privileged to work for BBC Radio Leicester now. I think it is the

:12:21.:12:27.

biggest game in the club's history. So I think this is an enormous game

:12:28.:12:33.

and if they can keep the game alive, keep it alive for next week, they

:12:34.:12:37.

won't want to come to the King Power stadium.

:12:38.:12:40.

Liverpool has put its bidding team together to host either the 2022

:12:41.:12:43.

Former FA chief executive, Brian Barwick, will chair the city's

:12:44.:12:51.

bid which was initially just for the 2026 Games.

:12:52.:12:53.

But Durban's withdrawal from hosting the 2022 event,

:12:54.:12:55.

Birmingham and Manchester have also expressed interest,

:12:56.:12:58.

with Manchester potentially being part of a joint

:12:59.:13:00.

That's all the sport for now. Victoria.

:13:01.:13:17.

A series of explosions, three in total.

:13:18.:13:21.

Police are studying a letter found near the scene which apparently says

:13:22.:13:27.

in it in the name of Allah. They are looking at investigating a claim of

:13:28.:13:31.

responsibility from an antifascist groupment one player treated in

:13:32.:13:36.

hospital when the bus' reinforced windows shattered and a police

:13:37.:13:40.

motorcyclist was hurt. The team were off to their Champions League game

:13:41.:13:45.

at the stadium against Monaco. The game is rescheduled for this

:13:46.:13:45.

afternoon. He was close to the scene of

:13:46.:13:48.

the blasts when the attack happened. Chris Phillips is Former Head

:13:49.:13:53.

of the National Counter Are you going to go to the game

:13:54.:14:02.

today? No, I'm not going there. I think it's too dangerous and on

:14:03.:14:10.

the other side it is a mark of respect not to go there. I think you

:14:11.:14:17.

shouldn't go there, no. It is not safe. But your team will be there.

:14:18.:14:26.

Your team will be running out to play that rescheduled game? I think

:14:27.:14:31.

Borussia Dortmund will play tonight, but I think I'm going to stay at

:14:32.:14:36.

home. Right. Even though security is being increased? Yeah, even though

:14:37.:14:44.

security has been increased because I think it is just 24 hours ago or

:14:45.:14:53.

even less now so I don't go there, no. Right. That's really

:14:54.:14:56.

interesting. Stay with us if you can. Chris Phillips, so, you know,

:14:57.:15:04.

people are afraid. Quite rightly. Which is when others say well, that

:15:05.:15:10.

means the terrorists win? It is it is pointing because actually we as a

:15:11.:15:13.

public have a duty really to carry on business as usual or else we do

:15:14.:15:17.

let the terrorists win. That's really interesting. You think we

:15:18.:15:20.

have a duty to carry on as normal? Absolutely. Because these are

:15:21.:15:24.

individualsment there is no doubt this is a pretty amateur style of

:15:25.:15:29.

terrorism. Anyone could do something similar to this if they really

:15:30.:15:33.

ranted to. The same as we saw in Sweden and the same as we saw in

:15:34.:15:37.

London. Pretty much anyone can do that if they had the desire to do

:15:38.:15:41.

it. What we've got to do is say OK this is happening. We in London and

:15:42.:15:46.

the UK have faced terrorism for 100 years and the best reaction is

:15:47.:15:49.

actually business as usual. Do you judge people who are aid

:15:50.:15:53.

frayed and who want to stay at home and stay safe? No, I don't judge

:15:54.:15:58.

them at all. I think people have got to make their own decision, but we

:15:59.:16:03.

have to as a population say look, one person who has dropped these

:16:04.:16:07.

very small devices next to a team bus cannot be allowed to impact the

:16:08.:16:10.

rest of our lives. What do you say to our former

:16:11.:16:14.

counter-terrorism expert? I'm with you. I agree. Terrorism does not

:16:15.:16:21.

have to have such an impact on the people, that's right. We should not

:16:22.:16:26.

be afraid, but I think, you know, it's just 20 hours ago. It's a bit

:16:27.:16:33.

too fast to keep on like nothing happened, but you're right, we

:16:34.:16:37.

should not be afraid at all and I think in one week, everybody is not

:16:38.:16:45.

shocked at all so much. It is not so shocked anymore and then everything

:16:46.:16:48.

is OK. I don't think the period of just 20 hours, that's too less time.

:16:49.:16:56.

Tell me what the atmosphere is like there. We can see officers behind

:16:57.:17:02.

you. It's not business as usual, is it? No, of course. Many cars are

:17:03.:17:09.

usually drying along with this street. There is usually a lot of

:17:10.:17:18.

traffic. -- driving along this street. The police have closed the

:17:19.:17:22.

whole street. Over there is the hotel where the team bus starts to

:17:23.:17:29.

go to the stadium, usually. Yesterday there were three bombs on

:17:30.:17:32.

the side of the road that made the bus explode. I think people in

:17:33.:17:42.

Dortmund are relaxed because we know the police are doing a good job, and

:17:43.:17:46.

the fans are relaxed. Everybody knows what to do. Is it true that a

:17:47.:17:52.

similar kind of explosion took place in the area last week? Yes, that's

:17:53.:18:01.

right. I just live 800 metres away. That's what I was thinking, because

:18:02.:18:11.

one week ago there was someone who made a gas explosion and destroyed

:18:12.:18:15.

his whole house with that, a crazy guy. Or maybe it's not a crazy guy,

:18:16.:18:22.

maybe he's making some gas experiments. But then I went to the

:18:23.:18:31.

road, saw all the police cars and the Borussia Dortmund bus sat there

:18:32.:18:40.

and I thought it must be something different. As former head of

:18:41.:18:46.

National counterterrorism security office, where would you be

:18:47.:18:50.

investigating now? They have to find the person responsible. The letter

:18:51.:18:54.

will give them lots of clues. Ironically, this game we are looking

:18:55.:19:02.

at and the area will probably be the safest that Dortmund have ever held

:19:03.:19:05.

because of the security presence. I think the important thing is to

:19:06.:19:12.

catch the individual. There are different kinds of terrorism now.

:19:13.:19:16.

Individuals who are basically amateurs, and this appears to be one

:19:17.:19:20.

of those who are intent on causing damage. We also have to really worry

:19:21.:19:24.

about the more professional people who are coming back from Syria and

:19:25.:19:28.

Iraq. Why do you say the person behind this is amateur? It's not

:19:29.:19:33.

very good, the thing is easy to do. It wasn't a big explosion, very

:19:34.:19:37.

small and we do not know what explosives they used yet. If it was

:19:38.:19:41.

a bigger explosive we would have been talking about a lot of people

:19:42.:19:46.

dying. The thing we have to face, unfortunately, is that explosives,

:19:47.:19:50.

we haven't really seen explosive is being used recently in terrorist

:19:51.:19:54.

attacks. Those things are really scary. What we have to double our

:19:55.:19:58.

efforts at is preventing terrorists from being able to get hold of

:19:59.:20:02.

explosive material, whether its explosives or the component parts.

:20:03.:20:07.

Businesses that deal with the component parts, and they know who

:20:08.:20:11.

they are, have to redouble their efforts to make sure they sell to

:20:12.:20:14.

the right people only. Could those devices have been operated from a

:20:15.:20:20.

distance, remotely, or would somebody have to be in sight of the

:20:21.:20:27.

bus to explode them at the moment? Almost certainly, unless there was a

:20:28.:20:30.

specific time, it would have been dealt with by somebody close by. But

:20:31.:20:34.

there are options. You can use mobile phones to detonate. We have

:20:35.:20:38.

seen it many times in the past. There are a lot of options for

:20:39.:20:42.

terrorists who are quite good. Unfortunately nobody -- fortunately,

:20:43.:20:50.

nobody has been seriously injured. That was because of the reinforced

:20:51.:20:54.

glass on the coach. And nine out of ten people killed in explosions are

:20:55.:20:59.

killed because of flying glass. All businesses have to make sure they

:21:00.:21:03.

have protective glazing. Thank you for coming on the programme. That

:21:04.:21:09.

Dortmund fan, not going to the game later.

:21:10.:21:14.

Documents uncovered by this programme show

:21:15.:21:15.

Cambridgeshire County Council failed to protect a 15-year-old

:21:16.:21:18.

girl from being sexually abused by her teacher.

:21:19.:21:20.

Social services had previously written to warn the council

:21:21.:21:24.

about the teacher - who cannot be named -

:21:25.:21:26.

but he was allowed to continue teaching.

:21:27.:21:29.

Noel Phillips has this exclusive report, and just to warn

:21:30.:21:31.

you there are graphic descriptions of the abuse suffered

:21:32.:21:33.

It's every parent's worst nightmare - a shocking betrayal of trust.

:21:34.:21:45.

He was in a position of responsibility, authority

:21:46.:21:47.

Jeremy Forrest was more than a maths teacher,

:21:48.:21:56.

he was a sexual predator who abused a 15-year-old student

:21:57.:21:59.

Tell us how it was you managed to keep those children silent?

:22:00.:22:05.

He filmed himself sexually abusing young girls on school premises.

:22:06.:22:15.

Serious case reviews found that teaching staff ignored

:22:16.:22:17.

Currently there is no law to say a school must report sexual abuse.

:22:18.:22:27.

But the Victims Commissioner wants the government to make it a criminal

:22:28.:22:30.

offence for teachers and social workers not to report

:22:31.:22:32.

We send children to schools, we send children to social workers

:22:33.:22:40.

and everybody and you think the essence of their core training

:22:41.:22:42.

If we don't ensure we protect them when something goes horrendously

:22:43.:22:48.

wrong, then we need to encourage more strategy and more

:22:49.:22:52.

The abuse happened, say, four or five times a week.

:22:53.:23:07.

It would be in the classroom store cupboard.

:23:08.:23:12.

Abigail, which is not her real name, was just 15 when she says

:23:13.:23:16.

she was groomed and raped by her teacher.

:23:17.:23:20.

A man who she claims used his profession as a cover

:23:21.:23:23.

On several occasions he tied me to a radiator with a dog collar

:23:24.:23:32.

You believe a few teachers at the time in your school suspected

:23:33.:23:45.

Yeah, but he was as careful as he could have been.

:23:46.:23:50.

I was getting extra tuition after school.

:23:51.:23:51.

He would tell me afterwards to go and wait in the store cupboard.

:23:52.:23:54.

There I would wait until he knew most of the teachers had gone home

:23:55.:23:58.

And this would happen in the classroom?

:23:59.:24:11.

For the first three years, it would happen in the classroom.

:24:12.:24:14.

And after say, four, five months, he started

:24:15.:24:18.

To do that, he would get me to jump into the back of the car,

:24:19.:24:25.

sit behind the seats and be covered up by a blanket, so that

:24:26.:24:29.

when we got to his house, nobody would see me go in the house.

:24:30.:24:32.

He would drive into the garage and then I would have to get out.

:24:33.:24:40.

For legal reasons, we cannot name the teacher, but documents we have

:24:41.:24:45.

seen shows he was arrested in the early 80s after being accused

:24:46.:24:48.

of sexually abusing two vulnerable girls at a secondary school

:24:49.:24:51.

in Cambridgeshire, but was found not guilty.

:24:52.:24:55.

Shortly afterwards, in the early 90s, a number of chances were missed

:24:56.:24:58.

by Cambridgeshire County Council to monitor him before

:24:59.:25:03.

he went on to abuse Abigail at a school in Whittlesey.

:25:04.:25:08.

It's all very well that he was found not guilty in a criminal court,

:25:09.:25:14.

but it was deemed that there was sufficient evidence for him

:25:15.:25:16.

to be criminally charged with the most serious offences

:25:17.:25:21.

against children and he's in a

:25:22.:25:27.

position of responsibility as a teacher.

:25:28.:25:29.

He has then moved to the school where Abigail is.

:25:30.:25:31.

If that had been in place, this would never have happened.

:25:32.:25:34.

A social worker involved in the case was so concerned that she wrote

:25:35.:25:39.

a report to Cambridgeshire County Council.

:25:40.:25:40.

Despite this, he was still given a full-time job.

:25:41.:26:05.

I mean, it's either a conspiracy or a cock-up.

:26:06.:26:08.

Colin Shaw was a labour county council at the time.

:26:09.:26:12.

Colin Shaw was a labour county councillor at the time.

:26:13.:26:14.

He says he believes there was a cover-up by the council that

:26:15.:26:17.

allowed a teacher to carry out the abuse.

:26:18.:26:19.

I cannot see how somebody would have missed it.

:26:20.:26:21.

There certainly seems to have been a cover-up,

:26:22.:26:23.

given the amount of evidence there was at the time.

:26:24.:26:27.

I think there seems to be, actually, appalling failures by the Council,

:26:28.:26:30.

Now there are questions that remain unanswered.

:26:31.:26:38.

How much was known about exactly what was going on behind these gates

:26:39.:26:43.

at the community college two decades ago?

:26:44.:26:45.

Cambridgeshire County Council were made aware of the teacher's history,

:26:46.:26:47.

but yet he was still offered a job here.

:26:48.:26:51.

When Abigail reported the abuse to police in 1998, the teacher told

:26:52.:26:56.

detectives their relationship was sexual after she was 18

:26:57.:26:59.

and that it ended because he was in love with another pupil

:27:00.:27:02.

I would like the government to consider mandatory reporting.

:27:03.:27:07.

We hear of so many things that happen to victims.

:27:08.:27:09.

If they don't feel they have proper redress...

:27:10.:27:17.

The Victims Commissioner, Baroness Newlove, says in order

:27:18.:27:19.

to prevent similar cases, the government should introduce

:27:20.:27:21.

mandatory reporting and make it a crime for anyone who suspects

:27:22.:27:23.

If you have some inclination that something is not quite right,

:27:24.:27:29.

you have been given some information that supports what you think,

:27:30.:27:32.

It's not right to say, I had suspicions, when actually

:27:33.:27:38.

those suspicions are happening to that individual.

:27:39.:27:42.

Would mandatory reporting prevent serious failings that we have seen

:27:43.:27:44.

I think by having mandatory reporting it gives confidence

:27:45.:27:52.

to victims that if they do go to people, go to organisations

:27:53.:27:55.

to say they have been abused, and the severity of the bees

:27:56.:28:02.

to say they have been abused, and the severity of the abuse

:28:03.:28:05.

is still not listen to, if we have mandatory reporting,

:28:06.:28:08.

They go to an individual who they hope believes them.

:28:09.:28:13.

And if they don't believe them, they walk away.

:28:14.:28:16.

Baroness Newlove says it's time for Britain to adopt a system

:28:17.:28:22.

to that of Australia and the US, where reporting sexual

:28:23.:28:24.

No one here from Cambridgeshire County Council would speak to me

:28:25.:28:28.

on camera, but in a statement they have apologised and agreed

:28:29.:28:38.

an out-of-court settlement of more than half a million pounds.

:28:39.:28:41.

They go on to say that the school itself and the whole vetting

:28:42.:28:44.

and checking process is very different from the systems

:28:45.:28:46.

Abigail still bears the scars of her ordeal.

:28:47.:28:49.

The abuse she suffered has led to a life of self harming,

:28:50.:28:52.

depression and mental health problems.

:28:53.:28:53.

I wanted to have children, which I have not been able to do,

:28:54.:29:02.

because I don't have a sexual relationship with my husband.

:29:03.:29:05.

But I'm not able to have children and I feel that's been robbed of me.

:29:06.:29:14.

A teacher has been banned from teaching for life.

:29:15.:29:17.

Campaigners say mandatory reporting would improve child protection

:29:18.:29:20.

and that's why the law needs to change.

:29:21.:29:23.

The Home Office has told us a consultation is now taking place

:29:24.:29:27.

on how to reform the child protection system when it comes to

:29:28.:29:31.

But for Abigail, she just hopes her story will encourage other

:29:32.:29:38.

Schools are getting so desperate for cash they have money to help plug

:29:39.:29:55.

the gap in funding. Police in Germany are investigating

:29:56.:30:04.

a possible Islamist link after three explosions damaged a bus carrying

:30:05.:30:07.

the football team, Borussia Dortmund One player was injured and Dortmund

:30:08.:30:10.

Police believe the vehicle The match against Monaco has been

:30:11.:30:15.

postponed until this evening. The US Secretary of State,

:30:16.:30:22.

Rex Tillerson, is meeting his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov

:30:23.:30:24.

in Moscow this morning. He's expected to call

:30:25.:30:26.

for the Kremlin to withdraw its support for the Syrian regime

:30:27.:30:28.

after last week's chemical weapons attack Ahead of the talks

:30:29.:30:31.

Mr Tillerson said he was looking forward to a "frank

:30:32.:30:33.

and open exchange". Mr Lavrov said US air strikes

:30:34.:30:35.

in Syria were a "violation of law". Britain's biggest supermarket chain,

:30:36.:30:45.

Tesco, has reported a 30% rise It made more than ?1.2 billion

:30:46.:30:48.

in the last financial year. Like-for-like sales,

:30:49.:30:51.

which strip out the impact of new store openings,

:30:52.:30:53.

grew 1 per cent in The company's chief

:30:54.:30:55.

executive Dave Lewis said The head of United Airlines has

:30:56.:30:58.

apologised for what he called the "truly horrific" incident

:30:59.:31:08.

in which a passenger was forcibly dragged,

:31:09.:31:10.

screaming, from a flight. Footage of David Dao being removed

:31:11.:31:11.

from the overbooked plane was posted on social media and sparked

:31:12.:31:14.

a backlash against the company. The chief executive, Oscar Munoz,

:31:15.:31:20.

said, "I deeply apologise to the customer forcibly removed

:31:21.:31:22.

and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be

:31:23.:31:25.

mistreated this way." Originally he had maintained staff

:31:26.:31:27.

had followed established procedures. The Scottish nurse Pauline Cafferkey

:31:28.:31:37.

- who contracted Ebola in Sierra leone in 2014 -

:31:38.:31:39.

has exclusively told this programme that she's

:31:40.:31:41.

going back to the country. The 41-year-old says she has no fear

:31:42.:31:43.

about returning to Sierra Leone, Ms Cafferkey told Victoria she hopes

:31:44.:31:46.

the trip, which is to raise funds for orphaned children,

:31:47.:31:51.

will give her closure after what she describes

:31:52.:31:52.

as a "pretty tough couple of years". That's a summary of the latest

:31:53.:32:01.

news, join me for BBC Borussia Dortmund are back

:32:02.:32:03.

in training this morning and will replay their Champions League

:32:04.:32:14.

quarter final, this evening The match was postponed

:32:15.:32:18.

following that attack Meanwhile Leicester will be

:32:19.:32:22.

in action against Atletico Madrid, who have reached the final

:32:23.:32:27.

of the competition twice Leicester captain Wes Morgan has

:32:28.:32:29.

travelled to Madrid but isn't Great Britain's Fed Cup team

:32:30.:32:38.

for next week's World Group II qualifier against Romania has been

:32:39.:32:42.

named this morning. World number seven Johanna Konta

:32:43.:32:44.

will lead the side. She's joined by Heather

:32:45.:32:46.

Watson, Laura Robson, The city of Liverpool want to host

:32:47.:32:48.

the 2026 Commonwealth Games, as well as the 2022 event,

:32:49.:32:52.

after the South African city Sports executive Brian Barwick

:32:53.:32:55.

will chair the bid. Reports from Germany say a letter

:32:56.:33:06.

found near the scene of last night's attack on the Borussia Dortmund

:33:07.:33:14.

football team suggests But police have stressed it

:33:15.:33:16.

could be a false lead. Uefa says security at matches

:33:17.:33:20.

is being stepped up. He's a freelance journalist

:33:21.:33:22.

based in Dortmund. He was at the police press

:33:23.:33:29.

conference last night That's one of the lines of inquiry,

:33:30.:33:40.

clearly? Yes, that's been the latest news, various German newspapers have

:33:41.:33:46.

reported on the possible Islamist content of this letter. The

:33:47.:33:52.

newspaper reported that the letter starts with the words, "In the name

:33:53.:33:58.

of Allah the merciful." And refers to the Berlin Christmas market

:33:59.:34:03.

attacks as well as the German Army's involvement in the anti-Isis

:34:04.:34:08.

coalition in Syria and is referring to Germany as a crusader nation that

:34:09.:34:16.

is a target for Islamists. The police are investigating whether

:34:17.:34:19.

this letter is actually authentic or not. Yes, one theory is it could be

:34:20.:34:25.

a hoax to frame somebody else, to frame another group or organisation

:34:26.:34:31.

or whatever? Exactly. There is actually a second letter claiming

:34:32.:34:38.

responsibility that popped up online which is obviously a fake written

:34:39.:34:44.

from the prospective of far leftists. The police are also

:34:45.:34:50.

investigating this, but it reads as a clear utter fake. OK. Can I ask

:34:51.:34:56.

you separately about far-right hooliganism? My understanding is

:34:57.:35:01.

there has been a clamp down on such hooligans recently, is that right?

:35:02.:35:06.

Well, there have been some clashes between Dortmund supporters and

:35:07.:35:12.

supporters of a team from another area in Dortmund that did draw a lot

:35:13.:35:18.

of media attention. There are hooligans in Dortmund. There are

:35:19.:35:23.

right-wing hooligans in Dortmund, but everything in that direction at

:35:24.:35:27.

this moment is nothing more than speculation I'd say. Sure. I've

:35:28.:35:33.

spoken to two Dortmund fans, it is only two, thousands have got tickets

:35:34.:35:37.

for the rescheduled game and neither is going to that match. They don't

:35:38.:35:45.

feel safe? Yes, I think the police are giving their best to ensure

:35:46.:35:50.

safety at the match this evening. Last night at the press conference

:35:51.:35:56.

Dortmund's chief of police stressed that the police is deploying

:35:57.:36:01.

additional forces to the match, to secure the match, to secure the

:36:02.:36:08.

players and the fans and to do all they can, but of course, there can

:36:09.:36:15.

never be 100% security at any football match and especially what

:36:16.:36:18.

happened last night. A lot of people probably won't feel safe.

:36:19.:36:23.

Thank you very much. Thank you for talking to us.

:36:24.:36:29.

This news, President Trump's wife has accepted damages and an apology

:36:30.:36:36.

from The Daily Mail newspaper and Mail online, publisher of Associated

:36:37.:36:41.

Newspapers at the High Court in London. Melania Trump accepted

:36:42.:36:48.

damages from The Daily Mail and Mail Online at the High Court in London

:36:49.:36:52.

over allegations about her work as a professional model.

:36:53.:36:56.

Damages and an apology from The Daily Mail and Mail Online,

:36:57.:37:02.

Associated Newspapers because of allegations they made about her

:37:03.:37:03.

works a professional model. Last week we reported that more

:37:04.:37:08.

than 100 gay men had been rounded up by authorities in Chechnya

:37:09.:37:11.

and subjected to torture. Now there are now allegations

:37:12.:37:13.

that they are being kept in secret prisons described by some

:37:14.:37:16.

as concentration camps. Russian newspaper, Novaya Gazeta,

:37:17.:37:21.

and human rights campaigners claim gay people are being tortured

:37:22.:37:24.

and beaten - sometimes Earlier I spoke to the journalist

:37:25.:37:27.

who broke the story, who told me Two of them in the capital

:37:28.:37:32.

of Chechnya, Grozny, one of them in Argun,

:37:33.:37:45.

this is the first secret prison we got to know,

:37:46.:37:47.

where LGBT people were detained, We announced an emergency

:37:48.:37:52.

line for those people, we got this information about three

:37:53.:38:01.

or four weeks ago, It's pretty hard in Chechnya,

:38:02.:38:04.

especially with LGBT people, The region is very

:38:05.:38:13.

hard on those people. You would expect that the Chechen

:38:14.:38:24.

and Russian governments would deny that this is happening,

:38:25.:38:30.

and that is what they have done. Although they do not deny the fact

:38:31.:38:34.

that if they found this kind of people in Chechnya,

:38:35.:38:45.

they should be killed. They deny the secret camps

:38:46.:38:47.

and that they have detained more than 100 people and killed

:38:48.:38:59.

some of them. You cannot tell us exactly where

:39:00.:39:01.

you are now because you have had to leave Moscow and go into hiding.

:39:02.:39:04.

Why? They reacted in a very terrifying

:39:05.:39:08.

manner, because on 3rd April, in the biggest mosque in Grozny,

:39:09.:39:12.

15,000 religious people got together and announced a jihad on us,

:39:13.:39:23.

not just me only, but on the people, and they said they

:39:24.:39:34.

should be prosecuted. Elena Milashina there,

:39:35.:39:59.

the journalist who first Kheda Saratova is

:40:00.:40:00.

a prominent member of Chechnya's Human Rights Council

:40:01.:40:11.

which advises the government. After the initial reports emerged,

:40:12.:40:13.

she told a Russian radio station they could not be true because gay

:40:14.:40:16.

people did not exist in Chechnya. She told me - via her sister Asa -

:40:17.:40:19.

that she had personally investigated the site of one of the alleged

:40:20.:40:22.

camps, but found nothing. We went there, so we talked

:40:23.:40:25.

to the people living around. We tried to find out more about that

:40:26.:40:27.

place, but actually, we could not get any information,

:40:28.:40:31.

it is not confirmed. You have previously said that gay

:40:32.:40:39.

people did not exist in Chechnya. I was shocked, the first

:40:40.:40:48.

time when I heard that. There are 300

:40:49.:41:01.

gays in the republic, They are moving out of Chechnya,

:41:02.:41:02.

so I was shocked to hear about this situation and to hear

:41:03.:41:08.

about those numbers. What are yo as a human

:41:09.:41:16.

rights adviser going to do about the reports of gay people

:41:17.:41:19.

being tortured and killed? In this case, I need to receive

:41:20.:41:21.

an application from the person that Do you think it is likely,

:41:22.:41:32.

considering you have said in the past that homosexuality

:41:33.:41:38.

was evil and does not Why would a gay person who has been

:41:39.:41:40.

badly treated come to you for help? These people appeared

:41:41.:41:46.

before I said anything. According to our traditions,

:41:47.:42:05.

our society's opinion, Are you promising to help any gay

:42:06.:42:11.

people that need help in Chechnya? I just promise that I will help any

:42:12.:42:21.

person, any human being, that will approach me,

:42:22.:42:40.

so I will not ask about his I will do the utmost,

:42:41.:42:43.

I will help this person. One of Chechnya's most prominent

:42:44.:42:54.

members of the Human Rights Council promising to represent

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all those in need. As always we'll keep you updated

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with what happens on that story. In an exclusive interview,

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the Scottish nurse Pauline Cafferkey tells us she's going back

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to the country where she contracted Ebola -

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a disease which twice She says she has no trepidation

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about returning to Sierra Leone, three years after she became ill

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and suffered multiple organ failure. 41-year-old Ms Cafferkey hopes

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the trip, which is to raise funds for orphaned children there,

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will give her closure after I thought, well when I was first

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told that I had it, I thought that my chances would be pretty good

:43:22.:43:37.

and certainly more so than had I got it when I was in

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Sierra Leone and been treated So I knew that having access

:43:41.:43:43.

to the NHS and being treated by the NHS, my chances

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would be much higher, a doubt, if I wasn't treated here,

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I would be dead now. You saw people dying in large

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numbers of this disease as part 11,000 people died in total,

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and now you're going back. I'm going back next

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month with a small UK They're doing some great things out

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in Sierra Leone and every year they have a Sierra Leone marathon

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and I'm going back there with them. So it'll be good to go back,

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just for things to come full circle for me and a little bit of closure,

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and end up with something good, I did, yeah, especially

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after having a relapse, and it's not so long ago that

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I was carrying a thermometer with me How do you reflect on the fact that

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you were investigated? I don't hold anything

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against the Nursing They were just purely

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doing their job. It kind of came

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at a really bad time. It was very difficult for me

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with my physical health, so it was a massive stress on me

:45:29.:45:33.

when I was already going And I guess, if anything,

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I just feel disappointed with Public Health England and how

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they looked after me when I was in Heathrow,

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and I can't really say a great deal about it because I think

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things are still ongoing. Is this trip to Sierra Leone

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the start of you travelling again because you have done a lot of that,

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a lot of volunteering in the past? Do you think this is

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the start of a new phase? I'm not sure if I would go

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and volunteer and do aid work again. Difficult, but a challenge and I'm

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still smiling and I plan on just And you can watch that interview

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again on our programme page - It was a key policy

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of the last government - special funding targeted to help

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poorer school pupils by paying for things like extra tuition,

:46:37.:46:39.

breakfast and after school clubs, But head teachers say that money -

:46:40.:46:41.

the pupil premium as it's known - is actually being used to plug gaps

:46:42.:46:46.

elsewhere in the budget That's according to a survey of more

:46:47.:46:48.

than 1000 heads and classroom teachers by the Sutton Trust,

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an education charity, which says this is yet more evidence

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that the squeeze on funding is having a detrimental

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effect on schools. Let's talk to David Laws,

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the man who was responsible for delivering the pupil premium

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policy when he was schools minister in the last government,

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the Conservative-Lib Dem coalition. He now heads up the

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Education Policy Institute. Next to him is the Conservative MP

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and chairman of the Education Select And in our Suffolk studio

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is Geoff Barton, head teacher of King Edward VI school in Bury St

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Edmunds. Tell us what kind of things

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the pupil premium helps your school I think everybody working in

:47:24.:47:36.

education are welcome to the pupil premium because of the way it

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allowed us to do things for students whose parents might not be able to

:47:40.:47:43.

afford things. You mention some, like after-school clubs. We increase

:47:44.:47:47.

the numbers of maths and English teachers, giving one to one tuition.

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It's all try to close the gap. It's frustrating if some of those funds,

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which includes ?200,000 at our school, are being lost from being

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targeted to those youngsters. According to the survey, two thirds

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of head teachers like yourself are using the money to plug gaps

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elsewhere. You haven't yet but you might if things continue to be

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stretch next year? It's inevitable. I was speaking to a good friend of

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mine who is a headteacher in the north-east and needs to make a

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saving of ?170,000 this year. The only way to do that is not by not

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buying textbooks, is by reducing class sizes and teachers. Everybody

:48:31.:48:35.

will be disadvantaged. Its pragmatism over principles. That's

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what we need to do to make sure every child benefits from having a

:48:41.:48:44.

teacher in the classroom. The 200,000 you get from the pupil

:48:45.:48:47.

premium money, how much do you reckon you will spend on other

:48:48.:48:52.

things apart from no next year? In the coming year we have plans to

:48:53.:48:56.

make some changes to the curriculum in the sixth form. We think the

:48:57.:49:00.

pupil premium money we will spend will pretty much stay the same. But

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the extra staffing we have put into English and maths will discontinue,

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meaning class sizes will go up, which can reduce costs. We desperate

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they want to keep hold of a number of staff who works with parents of

:49:14.:49:17.

those children. We have 200 youngsters on pupil premium, getting

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their parents to always come to parents evening has been an issue.

:49:25.:49:27.

10% came two years ago, this year it was 75% because of that liaison

:49:28.:49:32.

person at the school having the direct contact. We think these

:49:33.:49:36.

things are tangible that will help those youngsters achieve in a long

:49:37.:49:40.

term. We believe this year 50% of those youngsters will do well,

:49:41.:49:44.

whereas two years ago it was 21%. There is the direct impact. Neil

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Carmichael, Conservative MP and chairman of the education select

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committee. Is it acceptable for headteachers to use pupil premium

:49:54.:49:57.

money on other things? The get one thing straight, we are spending ?42

:49:58.:50:02.

billion on education, the highest it's ever been and that demonstrates

:50:03.:50:05.

commitment from the government in terms of supporting schools. Is it

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acceptable to use the pupil premium money for things other than those

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pupils who need it? There are two questions here. That's the one I'm

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asking, is it acceptable? Is not acceptable to use pupil premium in

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such a way that it will not advantage the children who are

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supposed to be helped. That's what it is therefore. We have to think of

:50:27.:50:30.

it in the context of national funding and how it is being

:50:31.:50:33.

adjusted. I think the pupil premium should be included in the

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calculation of how much a school is getting through the new National

:50:37.:50:42.

formula. But it's not. You have heard the impact from Mr Barton and

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he talked about his colleague in the north-east of in red, who is having

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to make, despite what you say about the amount of money going in, we'll

:50:50.:50:54.

have to make ?170,000 of cuts in his school this year. The reason why I

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talked about the national formula for funding is because schools need

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to be treated fairly and in a more global sense. That's why I think

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it's important to discuss pupil premium in the context of wider

:51:06.:51:13.

funding within the schools. But the government isn't doing that. That's

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the position at the moment. We have ended the consultation period. My

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select committee has made the point that pupil premium should be

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included in this discussion. We will see if the government will respond

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to that. We have made other suggestions, including bringing in a

:51:27.:51:31.

floor so schools don't fall beneath a certain level. I think that would

:51:32.:51:35.

be a good way of giving some heads, perhaps the ones we have heard

:51:36.:51:38.

about, reassurance and their funding. The idea of pupil premium

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is to help young people who need that help. David Laws Kammy said in

:51:48.:51:50.

2010 that it would be a mistake to think the purpose of pupil premium

:51:51.:51:58.

is to protect schools from cuts. The Shard David Laws, you said in 2010.

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-- David Laws, you said in 2010. Most heads, as Neal implied, are

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spending the pupil premium on disadvantaged youngsters. The

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aspiration of the last government was that it would be extra money

:52:23.:52:26.

that allowed schools to do extra things for those young people. I

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think the risk now is we are going into a period which is according to

:52:30.:52:36.

the education policy Institute's figures that have been produced, is

:52:37.:52:39.

one of the toughest periods for school funding in the last 20 or 30

:52:40.:52:43.

years at most schools will have to make cuts to their real budgets. In

:52:44.:52:47.

that scenario there is a double risk. One is that schools might

:52:48.:52:52.

shift money from the disadvantage to other students. According to the

:52:53.:52:57.

Sutton trust survey today, two thirds of head teachers are already

:52:58.:53:01.

doing that, plugging gaps elsewhere. The data from the Sutton trust has

:53:02.:53:04.

also said other potentially contradictory things today. For

:53:05.:53:08.

example, it said only 5% of head teachers said this year the priority

:53:09.:53:12.

with the pupil premium money was to protect other budgets. I think what

:53:13.:53:15.

some of those heads are talking about is that they have used that

:53:16.:53:19.

money to protect existing disadvantaged Frodon in. I think the

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evidence is most heads are using it for the purpose it was meant that

:53:24.:53:31.

don't use the money for the purposes it was meant, what should happen to

:53:32.:53:33.

them? They are already looked at very closely by the schools

:53:34.:53:39.

inspectorate, Stead, to make sure the money is used to narrow the gap

:53:40.:53:43.

and Ofsted hold those schools to account. It's right they do so. It's

:53:44.:53:48.

also write the government should look at the implications of its

:53:49.:53:50.

squeeze on school funding over the next few years. And make sure that

:53:51.:53:56.

squeeze taking place... It's not a squeeze according to them. Neil

:53:57.:54:01.

Carmichael gave as those figures. The Department for Education say

:54:02.:54:04.

school funding is at its highest level on record at almost ?41

:54:05.:54:08.

billion and that is set to rise as pupil numbers rise. I think both

:54:09.:54:13.

Neil and the government would not dispute that over the next few years

:54:14.:54:17.

and the years of the government forecast, there will be a cut in

:54:18.:54:20.

real funding per pupil in every school in England even with the new

:54:21.:54:26.

national funding formula. Do you accept that? I think the question we

:54:27.:54:30.

need to ask is... You keep telling us what questions we are asking, do

:54:31.:54:34.

you accept what David Laws said that there will be a real terms cut and

:54:35.:54:42.

funding cut per-pupil. We have 9 million in a Clasie, and probably 10

:54:43.:54:46.

million by 20 20. We need to fund the arrival of that extra arrival.

:54:47.:54:54.

Of course we need to fund that. Do you accept what David Laws says is

:54:55.:54:58.

that there is a real terms cut in funding per pupil. I don't accept

:54:59.:55:02.

that. We calculate that for about half the schools in England over the

:55:03.:55:07.

next three years there will be quite large real terms cuts between six

:55:08.:55:13.

and 11% per-pupil. That's a lot of money and the risk I think...

:55:14.:55:21.

Per-pupil?! The risk then is some schools will re-divert this money

:55:22.:55:27.

from pupil premium. Jeff Porter do is nodding his head in agreement

:55:28.:55:31.

with David Laws. What could happen with Ofsted if the pupil premium

:55:32.:55:40.

money is used elsewhere? It was originally up to the school 's

:55:41.:55:43.

management and headteacher to make the decision. We would publish

:55:44.:55:50.

decision and how have Ofsted report on it. We are on a mission for their

:55:51.:55:59.

needs to be a new funding from, but that separate. There isn't enough

:56:00.:56:03.

funding in the system. We are 3 billion short in funding over the

:56:04.:56:05.

next three years and schools are having to do what they are having to

:56:06.:56:09.

go. Social justice ought to be a real part of it. I think that'll be

:56:10.:56:13.

brushed aside because of what we seemed in the classroom. What we

:56:14.:56:17.

have to do is make sure we provide that extra money. The government

:56:18.:56:22.

isn't doing that in terms of specific funds for new schools and

:56:23.:56:27.

so on. That will not help Geoff Barton's school or his colleague in

:56:28.:56:31.

the north-east, a school already up and running. I think we need to

:56:32.:56:35.

think very carefully about the impact of Brexit and everything else

:56:36.:56:37.

will reconsider the education system. The impact of Brexit, what

:56:38.:56:46.

do you mean? We will need more skills and not fewer skills as we

:56:47.:56:50.

deal with the difference in immigration. That will be something

:56:51.:56:55.

we have to respond to by making sure we provide those skills,

:56:56.:56:58.

particularly in the post-16 sector, which is the most urgent one. The

:56:59.:57:03.

challenge we are seeing is that when the pupil premium came in, the

:57:04.:57:06.

aspiration of all of us wasn't just that the money would be spent on

:57:07.:57:10.

disadvantaged pupils, but would ultimately allow schools to do

:57:11.:57:14.

something extra. More small group tuition and catch-up classes. Even

:57:15.:57:18.

if the money over the next few years continues to be targeted at pupil

:57:19.:57:22.

premium pupils, disadvantaged youngsters, school budgets as a

:57:23.:57:26.

whole are falling so it will be difficult for schools to do

:57:27.:57:28.

additional things other than just tried to make sure the money is

:57:29.:57:33.

going to disadvantaged pupils. If we are really to see greater social

:57:34.:57:37.

mobility in our country, greater opportunity for all citizens

:57:38.:57:41.

regardless of background, these cuts in funding have got to be looked at

:57:42.:57:46.

very carefully, otherwise they will undermine the original intention. A

:57:47.:57:51.

quick e-mail, I work in schools as a careers adviser and see this money

:57:52.:57:57.

used to taxi in children who have a lazy parents. It's certainly not

:57:58.:58:02.

supposed to be used to support school transport costs. The last

:58:03.:58:05.

government wanted school leaders to be free to use this money in the way

:58:06.:58:10.

they judge best. But ultimately, that's about attainment, not simply

:58:11.:58:17.

things like transport. Thank you. We're coming to the end of the

:58:18.:58:18.

programme. Ten people affected

:58:19.:58:20.

by mental health issues, You're convinced it can help?

:58:21.:58:34.

Most definitely. I feel I'm not going to be able

:58:35.:58:40.

to do it. ..joined by some special guests...

:58:41.:58:41.

You're the heroes. ..on a journey that's not just about

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crossing the finishing line.

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