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It's Thursday - it's 9 o'clock, I'm Chloe Tilley,

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For more than two years, a mother thought her daughter had

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been cannibalised by a drug addict just out of prison.

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Paula Yemm says she was let down appallingly by the police

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We'll hear from the family of Cerys Yemm just after 9:15.

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Also today - grammar schools should give priority to children

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That's what education secretary Justine Greening will say later,

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when she counters claims they're just for the privileged few.

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That can really give children from ordinary working

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What we are saying is that we want them to see do a much stronger job

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And it was the school siege which shocked Russia, and the world.

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More than a thousand people were taken hostage in Beslan in 2004.

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A ruling is due today on whether the Russian government

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We talk to a survivor who was held hostage.

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She was just eight, and her mother was killed.

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Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

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Lots for you to get in touch with today.

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Do you think grammar schools are fair in their selection process?

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The Government says it wants to make it easier for children from poorer

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homes to get in let us know your thoughts on that.

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And we're talking about how things should be divided up in a divorce

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as celebrities find new ways to hang onto their fortunes.

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Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning -

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use the hashtag #VictoriaLive and if you text, you will be charged

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Our top story: The Education Secretary,

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Justine Greening, will say today that new grammar schools in England

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would be "truly open to all", including children from what she'll

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call "ordinary working families" - and not just the privileged few.

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But new analysis from the Government shows a majority of selective school

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Chris Mason is at Westminster and is following the story for us.

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What exactly is being proposed? In essence, the Government is starting

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an arms race to try to make the case for grammar schools. The Prime

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Minister is an advocate for grammar schools, she went to one herself,

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but she knows Andy Education Secretary knows that there is a lot

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of persuading to do, not just many in the teaching profession and

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indeed on Labour's benches, but quite a number of Conservative MPs,

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too, so they are trying to make the argument that any new set of grammar

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schools would be different in their outlook and indeed in who they

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recruited from the current set of grammar schools. But she isn't

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saying that there would be any kind of quota, or she is not willing to

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put a number on it. Here is Justine Greening making the case, I spoke to

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her in the last hour, about why she wants to see an expansion of grammar

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schools in England. I think we have always recognised the debate. We

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need to work out where they fit in in a 20th-century education system,

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we need a stronger role in lifting standards for all systems. We want a

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new model of grammar schools for those new grammars that will come

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through in response to local community demand where that is. Lots

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of people may be relieved to hear the Government not talking about

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Brexit, but something that actually affect them. I am one of those

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people relieved, because I spend my entire working life to have the word

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Brexit tumbling out of my mouth every second, so it is nice to work

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on a story that doesn't involve leaving the European Union! One of

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the Government's biggest challenges is juggling the gargantuan task of

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the UK's departure from the European Union, everything that involves in

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terms of the negotiations to come in Brussels and with the other 27 heads

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of state and governments around the European table, all of the

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legislation has to go through Parliament to enact the Brexit

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process, and crucially, as you say, getting on with stuff that matters

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day-to-day in terms of education and the health service and transport and

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so many other issues. The Ruzza recognition in Government of the

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inevitability that other stuff will get squeezed in terms of attention

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span, times, debating space and the scope for legislation. It is

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something the Prime Minister is very keen on, and so there is clearly a

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desire to press ahead, but the Government is well aware that they

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have a persuading job to do. Thank you, Chris Mason at Westminster, and

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we will be talking about that at great length later on in the

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programme. Annita McVeigh is in the BBC

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Newsroom with a summary President Trump has said

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relations with Russia may be at an all-time low -

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after his Secretary of State failed to persuade Russia to stop backing

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President Assad of Syria. Mr Trump also said he believes Nato

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is "no longer obsolete", reversing a stance that

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had alarmed allies. From Washington,

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Laura Bicker reports. Vladimir Putin said this US attack

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was an act of aggression. But Donald Trump said it was in

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response to a suspected war crime. The US believes the Syrian President

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was responsible for using chemical At a press conference alongside

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the Nato Secretary-General, So I felt we had to do

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something about it. I have absolutely no doubt we did

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the right thing, and it was very, very successfully done,

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as you well know. Earlier, Russia vetoed a UN

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Security Council resolution that would have compelled

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the Syrian President to co-operate with an investigation

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into the attack, a response President Trump described

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as disappointing. It would be wonderful,

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as we were discussing just a little while ago,

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if Nato and our country Right now, we're not getting

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along with Russia at all. We may be at an all-time low in

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terms of relationship with Russia. This has built for a

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long period of time. The US has said relations

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with Russia must improve, but how? The two countries are on opposing

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sides in a civil war. A lot may depend on how far

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Russia will go to defend the Syrian President,

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and how far the US wants A ruling is due today

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on whether the Russian government should have done more

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to prevent the siege More than 330 people died

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when security forces stormed a school where Chechen separatists

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had taken more than Survivors and parents

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who lost children argued at the European Court

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of Human Rights that Russia failed in its obligation

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to protect its citizens' lives. Workers on Virgin Trains East Coast

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are to stage a 48-hour It's because of a row over

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the role of guards and jobs. said consultation over "widespread

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on-board changes" has been going on for more than a year,

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adding that the company had implemented the changes from March

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with no agreement with the union. The largest nursing union

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is consulting with its members across the UK on whether they should

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take industrial action in protest at the government's

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decision to maintain The Royal College of Nursing claims

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low wages are contributing to tens of thousands of unfilled posts

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and unsafe staffing But the Government says the health

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service offers competitive pay. Our health correspondent

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Sophie Hutchinson reports. Unprecedented pressure

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in the NHS means nurses have never worked harder,

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and for so little, The Royal College of Nursing

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says due to pay freezes, and then a pay cap, nurses have seen

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the money they take home cut in real It says that's why it has

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decided to ask staff whether they would be

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prepared to strike. 270,000 NHS nurses will be able

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to vote in the online survey So, most nurses are unhappy

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with their income. So they're working harder than ever,

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but there's been years now Some of our nurses are telling us

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they absolutely love being a nurse, it's a fantastic job,

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but they just don't think they can The Royal College of Nursing says

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low pay is driving people away from the profession,

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and that tens of thousands But the Department of Health said

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an extra 12,000 nurses have worked on wards since 2010,

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and that frontline NHS services The families of two more

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babies who died under the care of Shrewsbury

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and Telford Hospital Trust are calling for their deaths to be

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included in the investigation The review of the trust

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was announced by Jeremy Hunt yesterday following the avoidable

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deaths of seven babies. Five died following failures

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to monitor their heart rate The trust says its mortality

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levels are in line with A BBC investigation has found that

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construction faults, similar to those which led

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to the closure of 17 schools in Edinburgh on safety grounds,

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have been found at 71 other Although most have been repaired,

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work has yet to be completed The Scottish Futures Trust,

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which oversees public-private finance projects, says

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it is reviewing its guidance. Coastal areas in parts

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of New Zealand's North Island have been evacuated ahead of what's

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expected to be the most powerful storm to hit

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the country in 50 years. Tropical storm Cook is forecast

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to bring more than a-hundred millimetres of rain and winds of up

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to a-hundred-miles an hour. Some areas are already under

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a state of emergency. A missing link in the evolution

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of dinosaurs has been discovered at the National History Museum in

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London. On discovering a lost fossil,

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scientists realised it was from an early

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cousin of the dinosaur. They found that while it had

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a long neck and tail, it also walked on all fours more

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like a modern monitor It fills a critical gap

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in the fossil record and indicates that some dinosaur features evolved

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much earlier than Police officers were given the run

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around in London yesterday A pig caused chaos when it escaped

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and trotted through lunch-time A jogger had to dodge the animal,

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who seemed to take a liking A police spokesman said the pig

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was eventually recaptured Or maybe a cyclist, with that

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clothing! That's a summary of the latest BBC

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News - more at 9:30. I wondered at one moment if the

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police officer was going to pull the pig by the tail, and he thought

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better fit! Lots of you getting in touch with us a background in

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schools today. Do get in touch. We have had a tweet from Fiona, grammar

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schools offer those who can no longer afford private school fees,

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kids for poorer families are not there.

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Another says most parents will fund coaching to ensure their children

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pass the entry exam, and how can this help children from poorer

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households? The system is corrupt. But why not bring the grammar school

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system to a competency of the EU? Not necessary to move young people

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out of their environment. Olly, lots of stories around this

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week's Champions League matches. It sounds a little patronising,

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doesn't it? It does, you are right!

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They did really well. So many people thought that they were going to come

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unstuck playing Atletico Madrid last night. They only lost 1-0 in the

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first leg of their quarterfinal. Remember this is a new territory for

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Leicester City, they have never gone this far in European competition.

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Antoine Griezmann won a penalty, but Marc Albrighton said straightaway it

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was outside the box. It certainly was, look at that. It really

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shouldn't have been a penalty. When video technology is phased in, those

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kind of decisions will not be made. Grisman took the penalty himself, so

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just 1- 02 Atletico Madrid, third in La Liga,, so all to play for. We

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know it will be a difficult return match, and we have a very good home

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record at the King Power, our fans enjoy these nights. Of course we

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have to create more chances. Remember they turned around a first

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leg deficit in the last round, was against Sevilla, so we will see next

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week at the King Power. And the fan disturbances, we them

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last night? I must admit my heart sank when

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video popped up on social media, Spanish riot police disperse in

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Leicester fans on the eve of the match, and also match day it self in

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the lead up to the game. At least eight arrests were made, a few minor

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injuries, and Gary Lineker a former Leicester player who was there on

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broadcast duties, he tweeted he had seen the footage of some Leicester

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fans behaving despicably in Madrid, a few idiots ruin it for the decent

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majority. A lot of them interviewed afterwards, the fans caught up in

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it, said that the police had been heavy-handed. We have heard that

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before as well. But the club will be speaking to Leicestershire police

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who were in Madrid, as is normal with high-profile away matches, and

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some of the club's stewards who were shepherding the fans in the city,

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before deciding whether or not they will make an official complaint, but

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very ugly indeed some of those pictures.

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And Borussia Dortmund, just 24 hours after their bus was attacked they

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were back on the field, but their manager wasn't happy?

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They were supposed to play on Tuesday and their coach came under

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that an attack, three explosions going off on the way to the game on

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Tuesday. Uefa decided to postpone the match for 24 hours. They played

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the match last night, and Dortmund manager said that they were not

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really consulted as a team about whether they were ready to play the

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match mentally or physically. The blasts on the way to the match on

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Tuesday saw windows blown out of their courage, and one of their

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players was hospitalised. A great reception for the team last night

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before kick-off in this they think hastily arranged fixture. They wore

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T-shirts in support of their team-mate who needed an operation on

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a broken wrist. They said it was as if Uefa felt that it was just a year

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can that had been thrown at the result. Uefa said they were in touch

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with all parties and never received any information to suggest that nine

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of the teams wanted to play. The Dortmund player gave a powerful

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interview afterwards saying how traumatised he was by the incident,

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and he says he will never forget the look on the players' faces as the

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bomb went off. German World Cup winner Matthaus called Uefa's

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decision in conference a ball and irresponsible as well. In light of

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this, perhaps it is no surprise that Monaco won 3-2 on the night. This

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proved to be the matchwinner, and they will take that lead back to

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Monaco next week. Not a great night to German football round, because

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Bayern Munich also lost their first leg against Real Madrid, Cristiano

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Ronaldo scored a couple. Now let me bring you this news just

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reaching us. The European Court of Human Rights has ruled the Russian

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Government should have done more to prevent the Beslan school massacre.

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Our reporter can bring us up to date with this as it is breaking now.

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Olga, can you tell us more about this ruling today? Yes, a ruling by

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the European Court of Human Rights. The ruling that the victims in total

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would get 3 million euros compensation, but it is very

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important, a significant decision, because basically the European Court

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of Human Rights was their last hope because none of the Russian courts

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have ever held any Russian officials responsible for the tragedy which

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happened in Beslan. And relatives of the victims have told the BBC that

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the European Court of Human Rights was their last hope and they wanted

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to bring this tragedy back to life, and they also want officials to

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learn from their mistakes, the mistakes in that tragedy, and they

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want to see some of the officials responsible for the tragedy which

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happened, and the European Court of Human Rights underlined that

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officials had enough information and would have been able to prevent this

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tragedy from happening, but unfortunately this has not been

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done. Does this mean the Russian government now has to do, what,

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investigate? Theoretically, yes, however there have been a number of

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investigations over the past 30 years -- 13 years, but no one was

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ever held responsible. A number of policemen were under trial but those

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cases never came to an end. One of the Chechens was arrested and

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accused but many relatives of the victims believe he was actually just

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one of the many who were supposed to be arrested and go on trial. The

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relatives at least hoped this would bring the tragedy to light again

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because Russian officials and the Russian state was trying its best

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not to bring those tragic days to light again because it raises many

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questions. Olga from Moscow, thank you for speaking to us. We will

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speak about this more after ten o'clock, when we speak to a girl who

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was actually held inside that school, just eight years old at the

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time, and she will speak to us after ten o'clock.

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On 6th November 2014, a young woman - Cerys Yemm - was murdered

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by Matthew Williams, a man with mental health and drug

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abuse issues who had been released from prison two weeks earlier.

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The case hit the headlines when it was wrongly dubbed

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the "cannibal" killing, because the owner of the hostel

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where it happened believed she'd seen Williams eating

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Whilst this later proved to be untrue, Cerys' family say

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they were devastated to hear of the claims through social media

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and waited two and a half years to discover the truth.

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Williams died after being Tasered by police, but now the inquest

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into Cery's death has finally concluded and her family believe

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that if it wasn't for failings in the support and supervision

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he receveived after leaving prison, she would still be alive.

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Go was quirky, beautiful -- Cerys was quirky, beautiful, and she had

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out quite a difficult few years. She had been in a relationship where

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there was domestic violence, but she was at the point where she was

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getting things back on track. She had come back home. She was looking

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to retrain to go into nursing and she was back to her old self, you

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know, happy, doing lots of nice things with Shannon and her brother.

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She spent hours upstairs in the bedroom reading, and she would be so

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quiet in the evenings. She didn't go out and socialise an awful lot, and

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certainly not up until the few weeks before the 6th of November, but she

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had made a new friend and had started to go out a bit more, eat a

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bit more food, and I did see a change at that point, when she was

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not coming home when she said she would do, being a bit more

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secretive, and I was a bit worried at that point. But we would sit down

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and have talks and she would say, no, ma'am, I am going to get things

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back on track, do this, do that, and we thought she would have done what

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she wanted to. What about you, Shannon. What are your memories of

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your sister? We had some lovely times, went out and played, her

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birthday. She really did adore me, thought a lot of me, and she always

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stuck up for me and was there for me. She always wanted to be with me,

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didn't she? Yes, she would do anything for anyone. That day, the

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6th of November 20 14. When did you first find out what had happened to

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Cerys? It was in the early hours of the 6th of November. I had got up

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and gone to work as normal. And then... The phone came and they

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said, the police are in the reception for you. Which was unusual

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was my job. I went through and I said to them, oh, is it about a

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certain person I was working with? They said, no, it's not, and at that

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point I just knew. And I don't know why, because I had been worried

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about Shannon. She had just passed her test, and I was worried about

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her driving the car, nights in the dark, bad weather, but I just said,

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it is Cerys, isn't it? And a sort of nodded -- the nodded.

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They began to tell me then and I refused to listen, and it did then

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is a blah really from then on. That was when our nightmare began -- it

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was a blur from then on. You then had to tell your family, had to tell

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Shannon. I wanted to tell them myself. And I had gone to my mother,

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to her house, and I said I needed to get hold of Shannon at that point,

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and I think Shannon had called my mum, because she had seen things on

:24:35.:24:38.

Facebook and then people were calling her and saying, Shannon, I

:24:39.:24:41.

hope this isn't true, so then I spoke to Shannon and she said, oh,

:24:42.:24:48.

mum, is this true? So, Shannon, you actually found out from social

:24:49.:24:54.

media? Yes, on Facebook. I had people messaging me, because I had

:24:55.:24:58.

already seen posts obviously that there had been a murder in Argoed,

:24:59.:25:02.

then I had people messaging me on the stack, people asking me if it

:25:03.:25:06.

was true, is it your sister? Then I had to drive home from Cardiff,

:25:07.:25:11.

after getting a Facebook message, and mum was obviously Ryan, couldn't

:25:12.:25:15.

tell me, couldn't speak on the phone and I said, mum, tell me, please,

:25:16.:25:20.

and obviously there was traffic from Cardiff so I was sitting in the car

:25:21.:25:25.

crying, thinking, it is not true, is it? And obviously I had tried to

:25:26.:25:30.

ring Cerys, but I didn't get an answer, but at the time I didn't

:25:31.:25:33.

think it was weird because I didn't get an answer from my brother

:25:34.:25:38.

either, so I thought neither of them were answering... What does that do

:25:39.:25:43.

to you as a family, coming to terms with such a horrific event, but you

:25:44.:25:47.

finding out through social media rather than through the police or

:25:48.:25:55.

from your mum? It just changes your life, really. Everything is changed.

:25:56.:26:01.

Just horrible. You obviously want to hear from the police or your family

:26:02.:26:05.

to get some sort of comfort, but obviously I was in Cardiff and had a

:26:06.:26:12.

Facebook message. Then I had to go and tell my dad with the police.

:26:13.:26:20.

It's hard. What about the issue that many of the tabloid media picked up

:26:21.:26:26.

on about the nature of Cerys's death? Many of them labelling it a

:26:27.:26:31.

cannibal attack, and something that for a long time you thought was the

:26:32.:26:40.

case, but it wasn't? No. Again, we found out off social media, me and

:26:41.:26:44.

my brother having woken up a couple of mournings after and it had been a

:26:45.:26:49.

story on Facebook that people were sharing -- couple of mornings after,

:26:50.:26:56.

but there is only so long you can keep things like that from somebody,

:26:57.:27:01.

because it was everywhere. That is how it is remembered... I think... I

:27:02.:27:10.

was sleeping a lot of the time, in and out of sleep and different

:27:11.:27:14.

things, but I think I woke up about four o'clock, five o'clock in the

:27:15.:27:18.

morning, had gone downstairs, and my sister was staying on the city at

:27:19.:27:21.

that point, and I walked into the living room and I saw her picture

:27:22.:27:27.

and those headlines -- staying on the setee at that point. I

:27:28.:27:35.

couldn't... You cannot describe it. I mean, just the fact of losing her

:27:36.:27:43.

in a horrific way anyway, but seeing those headlines about your child, I

:27:44.:27:50.

still can't comprehend it today. And it was two and a half years before

:27:51.:27:53.

you found out that wasn't what had happened to her. Without a doubt,

:27:54.:28:00.

yes. At no point where we sat down as a family and told about her

:28:01.:28:06.

injuries in any way. What I was told was initially it was a head injury,

:28:07.:28:12.

then they opened the inquest and I saw again on the news "Sharp force

:28:13.:28:20.

the face and neck," again that is very different to a parent, to me,

:28:21.:28:27.

than a head injury, so I said why is it being reported as this, I ask the

:28:28.:28:31.

police. They said, well, yes, it was, but did not go into any further

:28:32.:28:37.

details at that point, so for the last two and a half years that has

:28:38.:28:42.

been over us as a family, not knowing. Not knowing the

:28:43.:28:45.

circumstances. Just very much in the dark about my child, her sister,

:28:46.:28:52.

about how this came about and exactly what she went through. You

:28:53.:28:55.

spoke to the police about that and they were saying they wanted to

:28:56.:29:00.

limit the information given to you, and as a family you said you wanted

:29:01.:29:03.

limited information about what had happened to Cerys. We did address

:29:04.:29:11.

that with the police. If you can imagine, as I just said, the

:29:12.:29:15.

horrific circumstances, those headlines, very early on I was... I

:29:16.:29:23.

did put up the shutters, I didn't want to know. But obviously as the

:29:24.:29:27.

weeks, the days, the months go on, of course I wanted to know things.

:29:28.:29:35.

And I made that very clear. Yet, repeatedly, after that they would

:29:36.:29:38.

say, well, you didn't want to know things. I didn't feel there was

:29:39.:29:47.

any... A lack of compassion and understanding, and empathy, for our

:29:48.:29:53.

position. And for Cerys, as my daughter. The police said the delay

:29:54.:29:57.

in telling you about her death was because they wanted to send an

:29:58.:30:02.

officer who knew you professionally to ease with that incredibly

:30:03.:30:04.

difficult conversation. Did that help you? It wasn't an officer I

:30:05.:30:13.

knew, it wasn't. Still today, given the events, why they would wait for

:30:14.:30:20.

an officer to come on officer who knew me? Surely, the priority would

:30:21.:30:28.

be to tell me as soon as they could. Before it was on social media,

:30:29.:30:32.

before my family and my daughter, my son, before they saw it, surely the

:30:33.:30:36.

priority would have been to have told me as soon as possible? I don't

:30:37.:30:42.

know. At the inquest, which you have mentioned, into the death of your

:30:43.:30:47.

daughter, the mother of Matthew Williams, who killed Cerys, said

:30:48.:30:52.

that he needed help, he had been released from prison just a couple

:30:53.:30:56.

of weeks earlier, he had severe mental health issues, he wasn't

:30:57.:30:59.

getting support, and there was a failure within the system. Is that

:31:00.:31:01.

how you see it? In regards to the mental health, it

:31:02.:31:14.

was firmly conveyed by a psychiatrist that he didn't have a

:31:15.:31:17.

diagnosis of schizophrenia. What he did have was drug induced psychosis.

:31:18.:31:26.

Undoubtably he did have poor mental health as a result of his lifestyle

:31:27.:31:33.

and drug use. Yes, they are adamant that they tried to get him support

:31:34.:31:40.

and help and the report says he wanted it and didn't get that help.

:31:41.:31:47.

Certainly from my point of view, he did have poor mental health, but in

:31:48.:31:56.

regard to that, his drug use, prolific offending history, he had

:31:57.:32:01.

no rehabilitation, there was no updated risk assessment before his

:32:02.:32:06.

release. And he even asked to move to a different area to go and live

:32:07.:32:10.

with his dad so that he could be away from the drugs scene and start

:32:11.:32:14.

afresh, but ultimately he was placed back in the area where he had lived

:32:15.:32:21.

previously. Yes, the other local authority basically refused on the

:32:22.:32:27.

basis that his family could provide accurate information that there was

:32:28.:32:33.

a link to that area. But they should have given him priority and

:32:34.:32:37.

considered him in that area, but they didn't, they sent him straight

:32:38.:32:50.

back to Caerphilly. Nobody was told about the risks. So is that what you

:32:51.:32:58.

want to change, to come out of Cerys's death, better communication

:32:59.:33:00.

between agencies to prevent another family going through what you have

:33:01.:33:06.

been going through? Well, some communication! He was released, he

:33:07.:33:09.

had served his sentence, no monitoring on him. And he had told

:33:10.:33:19.

people that that was what he wanted, he was going to commit crimes, he

:33:20.:33:23.

had written letters saying so. And those had not been acted upon.

:33:24.:33:28.

Shannon, your mum has mentioned your brother. Just give us a sense of

:33:29.:33:33.

what this has done to you as a young woman, the effect it has had on you

:33:34.:33:38.

and your brother. It's just horrible. You are anxious and

:33:39.:33:47.

nervous. I struggled sleeping for a while, I had nightmares. It is just

:33:48.:33:55.

horrible. Every day is different, and you worry every day and think

:33:56.:33:58.

people are looking at you, and you can't get it out of your head, you

:33:59.:34:02.

are fat ever missing somebody, missing something, and I know from

:34:03.:34:06.

my brother, he has really struggled and suffered badly with depression,

:34:07.:34:13.

he has lost his hair. My brother doesn't cope very well, he doesn't

:34:14.:34:18.

talk, and we were offered counselling at the very beginning,

:34:19.:34:23.

and that was shut the, they said, just go to your GP. And my brother

:34:24.:34:27.

would just turn up at the GP and say, I need to talk to somebody. So

:34:28.:34:34.

I think... It has ruined our lives, the lack of support. That is the

:34:35.:34:43.

family of Cerys Yemm speaking to be a little earlier.

:34:44.:34:47.

Still to come, as footballer Ryan Giggs divorces his wife Stacey,

:34:48.:34:50.

he's told a judge he made "a special contribution" to their wealth

:34:51.:34:53.

and claims he shouldn't have to pay as much.

:34:54.:34:55.

But, when a marriage breaks down, should the financial assets be

:34:56.:34:57.

And Leicester may have lost to Atletico Madrid

:34:58.:35:03.

But they haven't given up yet. We will be getting post-match analysis

:35:04.:35:11.

from fans in Leicester and those still in Madrid. But first, it is

:35:12.:35:23.

9:35am. All of the news with Annita. Good morning. A ruling has said that

:35:24.:35:34.

Russian officials should have done more to prevent the siege of

:35:35.:35:35.

schooling bezel and in 2004. More than 330 people,

:35:36.:35:39.

died when security forces stormed a school where Chechen separatists

:35:40.:35:42.

had taken more than The court said that police should

:35:43.:35:50.

have done more to protect people when the building was stormed. More

:35:51.:35:53.

than ?2 million in compensation is to be awarded.

:35:54.:35:57.

Children from ordinary working families will be central

:35:58.:35:59.

to the government's new generation of grammar schools.

:36:00.:36:01.

The Education Secretary, Justine Greening, will say today

:36:02.:36:03.

that grammar schools in England will be truly open to everyone --

:36:04.:36:06.

not just the privileged few and giving priority

:36:07.:36:07.

But a new analysis from the Government shows a majority

:36:08.:36:13.

of selective school places go to more affluent families.

:36:14.:36:18.

President Trump has said relations with Russia may

:36:19.:36:20.

be at an all-time low, after the Kremlin refused to stop

:36:21.:36:23.

Speaking at a news conference in Washington, Mr Trump said America

:36:24.:36:27.

had been right to fire missiles at a Syrian airbase

:36:28.:36:29.

in response to a chemical weapons attack last week.

:36:30.:36:31.

Mr Trump also said he believes Nato is "no longer obsolete",

:36:32.:36:34.

reversing a stance that had alarmed allies.

:36:35.:36:45.

The mother of a young woman who was murdered in 2014 has told

:36:46.:36:48.

this programme she felt the police dealing with the case failed to show

:36:49.:36:51.

22-year-old Cerys Yemm was killed at a hostel in November 2014.

:36:52.:36:56.

An inquest jury ruled Miss Yemm was unlawfully killed.

:36:57.:37:01.

Paula Yemm is upset that the family only found out

:37:02.:37:04.

the true details of Cerys' murder from the inquest, rather

:37:05.:37:06.

A lack of compassion and understanding and empathy

:37:07.:37:12.

for our position and for Cerys, my daughter.

:37:13.:37:23.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at ten.

:37:24.:37:27.

Thank you, Annita. Lots of you getting in touch with us about the

:37:28.:37:35.

grammar schools story. An anonymous text says, my daughter goes to the

:37:36.:37:39.

local grammar school, I am definitely working class and a

:37:40.:37:43.

single parent. After passing the 11 plus admission, it is decided by the

:37:44.:37:46.

county council criteria, local children go first. Kate says, both

:37:47.:37:51.

our children attended grammar school, we are in ordinary family,

:37:52.:37:55.

not wealthy or privileged. We did over private tuition, but cut back

:37:56.:37:58.

on other spending to do so. Mike says, both of our daughters attended

:37:59.:38:06.

grammar school, we are ordinary. It is a matter of priorities. Less

:38:07.:38:14.

McDonald's will easily cover the cost of tuition, says Mike. And

:38:15.:38:26.

Louise says the grammar schools where I live have been secured by

:38:27.:38:29.

months or years of private tutoring, nothing to do with natural ability

:38:30.:38:31.

or background, just the ability or willingness to pay. Get in touch

:38:32.:38:33.

with that or anything else on the programme. Let's get all the sport

:38:34.:38:36.

now with Ollie. Here are the headlines. Leicester

:38:37.:38:41.

City will have to overturn a 1-0 deficit in the Champions League

:38:42.:38:43.

quarterfinal against Atletico Madrid. The Spaniards were wrongly

:38:44.:38:46.

awarded a penalty which Antoine Griezmann scored. The second leg at

:38:47.:38:53.

the King Power Stadium is next night. Dortmund manager says they

:38:54.:38:57.

should never have played their quarterfinal so soon after the bomb

:38:58.:39:00.

attack on the team coach, postponed by less than 24-hour is. They lost

:39:01.:39:05.

their first leg tie to Monaco 3-2. On the short list is at the PFA

:39:06.:39:15.

Player of the Year awards. Chelsea's Kante is among the candidates. I

:39:16.:39:18.

will be back with a full update shortly after ten.

:39:19.:39:26.

Now, when a marriage breaks down should the financial assets be

:39:27.:39:29.

A multimillionaire Banca has been told to hand over half of his

:39:30.:39:38.

fortune to his ex-wife. Randy Work had argued

:39:39.:39:43.

he was a "financial genius" - but the Appeal Court

:39:44.:39:46.

ruled his ex-wife Mandy Gray had made a "different" but "important"

:39:47.:39:48.

contribution to their marriage. There are concerns that

:39:49.:39:50.

if Ryan Giggs wins his case that it Will it send a message to stay

:39:51.:39:59.

at home mums that their roles Let's talk to Amy Harris,

:40:00.:40:02.

who is a family lawyer The CEO of the Women's Resource

:40:03.:40:06.

Centre, Vivienne Hayes. And Goranka Gudelj,

:40:07.:40:10.

who divorced her husband What exactly does "special

:40:11.:40:12.

contribution" mean? We are not entirely sure, it is a

:40:13.:40:18.

difficult concept, and very difficult for people to argue

:40:19.:40:19.

whether they should be given special treatment in a divorce settlement

:40:20.:40:21.

because they have earned a lot of money. The cases we have had show it

:40:22.:40:25.

is a difficult argument to run. It is difficult for people to be

:40:26.:40:27.

successful making that argument. Do many people come to you and say they

:40:28.:40:29.

want to but that in? Contribution is put into account, but needs will

:40:30.:40:34.

take priority over contribution, so it will only be in very exceptional

:40:35.:40:40.

cases where a special contribution will be taken into account. In your

:40:41.:40:43.

divorce settlement, you got just under 50%, didn't you? But

:40:44.:40:46.

nonetheless had a huge impact on your lifestyle and how you could

:40:47.:40:52.

live? Yes, it enabled my daughters and me to continue to deal with to

:40:53.:40:59.

start with with the divorce, but it didn't last long. My ex-husband paid

:41:00.:41:05.

it for only five months, and then just arbitrarily stop the payments,

:41:06.:41:10.

but at this point, I had no more money to continue to pay the

:41:11.:41:13.

lawyers, so I have fought my own case in court as an applicant in

:41:14.:41:19.

person for the last six years. So when you hear these very wealthy

:41:20.:41:25.

men, often men, it doesn't always have to be men, often wealthy men

:41:26.:41:29.

saying, I went out to work, I did the hard work, I earned the cash, it

:41:30.:41:33.

shouldn't go 50/50, why do you think? A homemaker's role as an

:41:34.:41:41.

unpaid role. I have worked, I was just not paid for it. I supported my

:41:42.:41:47.

husband in all of his decisions when it came to his career. We have a

:41:48.:41:53.

disabled daughter who needs my support to this day. Both of the

:41:54.:42:00.

children, we invested a lot of time, and it was our joint decision for me

:42:01.:42:07.

to stay at home. I never meant to stay at home, I had a career before

:42:08.:42:11.

marriage, it was never my intention to be a stay at home mum, it just

:42:12.:42:15.

happened once our daughter was diagnosed, we made a decision that I

:42:16.:42:20.

should put my time into her and the family. And I did so. And as a

:42:21.:42:26.

matter of fact, at least twice, my husband got promotions and was told

:42:27.:42:32.

by his bosses that the promotion was due to the fact that he had a solid

:42:33.:42:36.

marriage, that his mind could concentrate on the business and an

:42:37.:42:45.

work, and he didn't have to care, and he would always introduce me to

:42:46.:42:51.

his bosses, and always with pride as somebody that they appreciated, too.

:42:52.:42:56.

Vyvyan, what sort of message does this send out to mothers? As we

:42:57.:43:01.

heard there, but I have got lots of friends who would love to go to work

:43:02.:43:04.

but we have small children, husbands work longer hours, and it is not

:43:05.:43:09.

financially viable. Any marriage is based on teamwork. And the

:43:10.:43:17.

contributions made by the different parties may be different, but to

:43:18.:43:24.

undervalue unpaid work is unacceptable, and actually, within

:43:25.:43:32.

with their unpaid work contribute billions in their work to this day,

:43:33.:43:38.

and also to husbands. Without her there at home, her husband would not

:43:39.:43:44.

have had the career that he had. And so it is a team effort, and it

:43:45.:43:47.

should be recognised as such. In ordinary cases, not in the

:43:48.:43:49.

super-rich, is that generally recognised? I think it is,

:43:50.:43:54.

contribution is taken into account and not just financial

:43:55.:43:57.

contributions, but contribution to family welfare. The courts in the

:43:58.:44:01.

cases that we have seen recently have made it clear we shouldn't

:44:02.:44:05.

discriminate against the homemaker. Their role in most cases will be

:44:06.:44:09.

equal to the role of the financial and as well. So it is difficult for

:44:10.:44:15.

the gentlemen typically to argue that they have made unacceptable

:44:16.:44:19.

attribution, and that should be taken into account, because in most

:44:20.:44:24.

cases it won't be, it will be regarded as equal to the role of the

:44:25.:44:28.

homemaker. But the super-rich might say, if your husband is worth

:44:29.:44:30.

hundreds of millions of pounds, does it matter if you get less than half?

:44:31.:44:34.

You are still getting an obscene amount of money that surely you can

:44:35.:44:39.

live on? I think it is the principal, because when decisions

:44:40.:44:43.

are made in courts, they can set a precedent, and if we look at it like

:44:44.:44:46.

that and women receive less because it is millions anyway, what happens

:44:47.:44:51.

to ordinary working-class families if those kind of decisions of the

:44:52.:44:55.

direction of travel, those women are going to lose out. I believe it was

:44:56.:45:02.

last year, even two years ago, two very wealthy women managed to obtain

:45:03.:45:09.

permission to go back in time and claim the money is that their

:45:10.:45:13.

husbands had withheld information on, from the Government and from

:45:14.:45:17.

them and from the courts, and that was a really good precedent. I

:45:18.:45:20.

remember in the press it was reported as women who, they have so

:45:21.:45:28.

much, and really, was 40 million not enough? On the idea was, these women

:45:29.:45:35.

actually went out, spent money, they are to gain this right for all the

:45:36.:45:41.

within across-the-board so that even I can go back now in time if I find

:45:42.:45:47.

that my husband had withheld information and say, you withheld

:45:48.:45:51.

information at that point. So how far should this go? If a woman has

:45:52.:45:56.

the children living with her after a divorce and has to take a low paid

:45:57.:46:00.

jobs that she could be there for picking up from school or whatever

:46:01.:46:03.

should be. Should she then received more than half of the husband's Inca

:46:04.:46:11.

because they are struggling and have the kids with them? I think it

:46:12.:46:25.

should be viewed upon the merits in the courts, and what impact will be

:46:26.:46:28.

on the mother and children, because we want to see a fair deal for when

:46:29.:46:34.

an across-the-board. And just to reflect, the legal position needs to

:46:35.:46:38.

take priority in all cases, needs to take priority over contribution. If

:46:39.:46:42.

someone needs more than 50% for that reason that should be reflected in

:46:43.:46:46.

the financial settlement. Thank you all for coming in.

:46:47.:46:48.

It was the school siege which shocked the world.

:46:49.:46:51.

More than 1000 people were taken hostage in Beslan in 2004.

:46:52.:46:57.

We'll hear from a survivor who was held hostage aged eight,

:46:58.:47:00.

Now, they may have lost 1-0 to Atletico Madrid last night but that

:47:01.:47:11.

European adventure is far from over for Leicester City, as they took

:47:12.:47:16.

over the dominant Spanish club in the first leg of their quarterfinal

:47:17.:47:19.

in the Champions League. They are the only side in the competition...

:47:20.:47:28.

-- They're the only remaining English side in the competition

:47:29.:47:30.

after Arsenal and Manchester City were both knocked out previously.

:47:31.:47:32.

On this programme, particularly last season as they stormed

:47:33.:47:34.

to the Premier League title, we followed superfans

:47:35.:47:36.

They were both in Madrid last night, and here's what they got up to.

:47:37.:47:41.

An amazing atmosphere here. Everybody is having a fantastic

:47:42.:47:47.

time. Well, somewhere in among all the crowd, the actual owners of

:47:48.:47:51.

Leicester City have turned up to meet the fans. I just love being a

:47:52.:48:00.

Leicester City supporter. We have arrived at the ground and are in

:48:01.:48:05.

need of refreshment, and I think we've come to the wrong bar... We

:48:06.:48:10.

are the only people with blue shirts on, but it was Big Ann's fault, led

:48:11.:48:20.

us astray again, and people are amazed we have gone to the way bar

:48:21.:48:28.

to get a segment. So many people here, look at older people here to

:48:29.:48:31.

see Leicester in the Champions League! We just had a load of

:48:32.:48:36.

Atletico Madrid supporters come up to us, asking, photo, photo, photo!

:48:37.:48:43.

Everyone is so lovely. Hello! They all just want for De Graafs, bits

:48:44.:48:49.

and bobs, and you don't get this in our country, I tell you exactly all

:48:50.:48:54.

just want photographeds. The matches coming up and we are absolutely

:48:55.:49:00.

buzzing. Such an amazing feeling to think Leicester City, are little

:49:01.:49:04.

club, is now on the main stage and everybody knows who we are. We are

:49:05.:49:10.

of the Foxes, King Power, we are Leicester City. And I said at last

:49:11.:49:14.

year. Things can't get better. But you know what, days like this, when

:49:15.:49:18.

you are in another country, and people know your team, know your

:49:19.:49:23.

players, nor your backroom staff, it is absolutely fantastic. Buzzing for

:49:24.:49:27.

begin tonight and hopefully we will see Leicester City at least get

:49:28.:49:30.

something under their belt ready for the replay that is coming at the

:49:31.:49:34.

King Power Stadium in a week's time. Final thoughts for today? I think it

:49:35.:49:40.

is quite exciting and, you know, I just think we need to keep pushing

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forward. I think we need to be proud of what we achieved the night. We

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had some very bad decisions go against us but you know what? We are

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Leicester City and we have the home leg coming up next at the King Power

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Stadium, next Tuesday, and we can continue to make our fairy tale.

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Come on, you Foxes! LAUGHTER

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Let's talk to Gary and Sandra now - they're already back in the UK.

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We are having some connection problems with Sandra but we have

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Gary here. But also we've got Richard Austin

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and Kieron O'Gorman You all the pretty happy. I will

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start with Richard, you're still living the dream in Madrid? Under

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the parasol there? Looking forward to the next leg, yes. Am I right in

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thinking you were sitting amongst the Atletico Madrid fans last night?

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We were, yes. Had the tickets for their, and it was a great

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atmosphere. You say it was a great atmosphere but when that penalty was

:50:54.:50:56.

awarded that should not have been a penalty, did you have to cheer with

:50:57.:51:08.

everybody else? Obviously, you know, it was that decision but we took it

:51:09.:51:12.

as it was. Kieron, how was the game for you? Buenos dias.

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LAUGHTER How was the game for you? Very good.

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Can you hear me? Yes, the game was amazing, fantastic atmosphere, shame

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about the result. Did you feel that Leicester did enough? I was looking

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at the statistics today and it is not unlike Leicester, 60% possession

:51:36.:51:41.

for Atletico Madrid, and I know Leicester like the fast break, but

:51:42.:51:45.

do you feel happy with the way the team played? -- 68% possession. I

:51:46.:51:50.

thought it was quite an average outfit, to be honest. Seville looked

:51:51.:51:57.

like a battle team. We have the result, ticket back to the King

:51:58.:52:02.

Power and we will win 2-0. Before we speak about going back to the King

:52:03.:52:05.

Power I would like to ask both of you and Richard. We were speaking

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earlier on the Olly Foster about the trouble, never anything we like to

:52:10.:52:13.

talk about. But it did happen last night. Did either of you witness

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anything, Kieron? Yes, unfortunately, like you see, it did

:52:19.:52:24.

occur. We were at the front line, I suppose, and thankfully managed to

:52:25.:52:28.

get away. It wasn't nice. There was a lot of innocent people hit by the

:52:29.:52:33.

police by batons, cheers being thrown, so, yes, it put a bit of a

:52:34.:52:36.

dampener on the day but thankfully it got rectified and we carried on

:52:37.:52:42.

with our lives. From what you have seen, did you feel there were a few

:52:43.:52:47.

troublemakers there? That the police overreacted? What was your sense?

:52:48.:52:52.

Unfortunately with something like football, and English football, when

:52:53.:52:57.

you go away, it takes one or perhaps two idiots to aggravate the

:52:58.:53:02.

situation, however it did get blown way out of proportion. And the

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police did take far. How about you, Richard? Did you see anything? Yes,

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we were in the square and there were a lot of people in there. I guess

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the way things started off, there was a smoke bomb, something to that

:53:20.:53:26.

effect, and when that happens the police started moving forward, like

:53:27.:53:28.

moving forward, and at that point we thought we should move out of here,

:53:29.:53:32.

so we on, started exiting the square. A lot more police were

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coming in about them. It did look like it was a group of Leicester

:53:40.:53:44.

fans stepping forward, confronting the police, so obviously not helping

:53:45.:53:48.

the situation. I want to bring in Gary Hooper is waiting patiently

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there in his Leicester City top. You are back home now. Your thoughts on

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the game? I thought it was a really great evening again for Leicester

:53:58.:54:00.

City, very frustrating at times, maybe, but we have to remember we

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are only halfway through the fixture and it is two legs. It is only 1-0

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to Atletico Madrid, and when we get back to our King Power Stadium, as I

:54:13.:54:16.

have said many times on this programme, that is a fortress, and

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it is a stadium where the whole of Leicester come together and they are

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going to bring the fight back, you know, the Leicester, to England, to

:54:28.:54:30.

try to turn it around like we did in the last round. It is interesting

:54:31.:54:34.

you say that about the King Power Stadium. I was listening to the BBC

:54:35.:54:38.

commentator yesterday, and he was saying he feels there will be more

:54:39.:54:44.

of a threat from Atletico Madrid at the King Power. He does not think it

:54:45.:54:49.

is that fortress. What I would say to him is to come and experience one

:54:50.:54:54.

of our fixtures at the King Power. Everyone, 30,000 people, you know,

:54:55.:55:00.

the atmosphere around the stadium is electric. And it is not just, you

:55:01.:55:04.

know, the fans of Leicester that come together. It is this city, and

:55:05.:55:08.

some people would say it is even the world coming together, because

:55:09.:55:11.

people want Leicester City, a bit like the fairy tale from last year,

:55:12.:55:15.

they want to see someone to keep progressing who is different in this

:55:16.:55:18.

competition. We heard it from the fans last night in Atletico Madrid,

:55:19.:55:24.

their fans saying it is so lovely to have a different team is playing up

:55:25.:55:28.

against us. You are a credit to football. And it is just amazing to

:55:29.:55:33.

hear that about our club. Well, your club, they managed to beat Seville

:55:34.:55:38.

and turned that deficit around. What are you thinking, Kieron? Do you

:55:39.:55:41.

think the same can happen this time and you can actually get to a

:55:42.:55:46.

Champions League semifinal? They are the dream would be what I think! --

:55:47.:55:58.

Dare to dream. I think we lined up better than Atletico, and like Gary

:55:59.:56:04.

said, at the King Power I think we can win, with the crowd on the boys'

:56:05.:56:09.

backs, who knows what can happen? Gary, one final quick question. You

:56:10.:56:12.

have been to every Leicester away game in Europe. How much have you

:56:13.:56:16.

spent? That's a nice question! We think we've worked it out but it is

:56:17.:56:21.

at least over a ?1000. You know, some people may say that is stupid.

:56:22.:56:32.

Some people may say it is a ridiculous amount to spend on

:56:33.:56:35.

football, but you know what. And I say this... It is never going to

:56:36.:56:38.

happen again, but it could do if we go and win the Champions League. We

:56:39.:56:41.

would be here again next year! You could be in the semifinal at this

:56:42.:56:44.

rate! Best of luck. All of you, thank you for speaking to us.

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Let's get the latest weather update with Carol Kirkwood.

:56:47.:56:48.

Good morning. If there's chilly start has made you think of holidays

:56:49.:56:56.

further afield, this is what you can expect. Look at that, Madrid,

:56:57.:57:04.

Tenerife, 25 degrees and towards Athens, 22 degrees. Quite a lot of

:57:05.:57:07.

sunshine and some showers over in the east. 7-9 in the north-east

:57:08.:57:12.

again with some showers. If you are hoping to take a dip in the

:57:13.:57:16.

Mediterranean in the West, the sea temperature is currently about 17,

:57:17.:57:20.

and in the east Mediterranean around about 18, but by the end in the east

:57:21.:57:25.

it will be more like 26 Celsius in the sea, like a bath. Back on our

:57:26.:57:31.

shores today, though, and East- West split to start. After a nice sunny

:57:32.:57:35.

start in the east the cloud already in the West will drift over

:57:36.:57:38.

eastwards and we will see some showers, patchy rain across parts of

:57:39.:57:45.

Scotland and Northern Ireland, but moving south we hang onto those

:57:46.:57:48.

sunny breaks, not just through this morning but in the afternoon. You

:57:49.:57:51.

will find areas of cloud then the sun, then it will cloud over again.

:57:52.:57:54.

Temperatures up to 13 Celsius in London, roughly where we should be

:57:55.:57:58.

at this stage of the year. But we're finding in the sunshine it claims up

:57:59.:58:01.

to about 16. Northwards into northern England, through the

:58:02.:58:04.

Midlands, again a fair bit of cloud around and one or two showers.

:58:05.:58:08.

Eastern Scotland seeing some breaks but the showers in the West will

:58:09.:58:12.

continue to drift towards the east and in Northern Ireland, similar

:58:13.:58:16.

story. A fair bit of cloud around, one of two brighter breaks, hanging

:58:17.:58:20.

onto some patchy rain and showers. Four Wales, looking to dry up and

:58:21.:58:24.

although we will hang onto a lot of cloud, some brighter spells.

:58:25.:58:27.

Overnight and through the evening, two fronts coming our way. They are

:58:28.:58:34.

looking to bring in some rain moving southwards and ahead of them both

:58:35.:58:37.

the cloud will continue to build, the temperatures are very similar to

:58:38.:58:41.

the night just gone, except for in the Highlands where we see some

:58:42.:58:45.

clearer skies and it will feel cold. Tomorrow, we start off with both

:58:46.:58:50.

fronts. For a time it will pep up producing some rain, again

:58:51.:58:53.

continuing the descent southwards. Still some brightness in the far

:58:54.:58:57.

south and behind them, for Scotland and Northern Ireland, some sunshine

:58:58.:59:00.

and also some showers. Temperature... Look at that! 63

:59:01.:59:08.

Fahrenheit. Then moving on in the East Bay and Saturday as well, there

:59:09.:59:12.

will be a lot of settled weather around and we will also see some

:59:13.:59:19.

sunshine -- Easter day. For Easter Monday as well, a lot of dry weather

:59:20.:59:23.

around but they also have some fronts coming in from the west that

:59:24.:59:27.

could well produce some rain, so all in all it is looking not like a

:59:28.:59:33.

wash-out or write off this coming Easter weekend. And pollen

:59:34.:59:36.

allergies, we are looking at levels being moderate across most of

:59:37.:59:41.

England, Wales and Northern Ireland, low across the far north of England

:59:42.:59:44.

and also Scotland. Whatever you're doing, have a Easter.

:59:45.:59:51.

It's Thursday, it's ten o'clock, I'm Chloe Tilley.

:59:52.:59:54.

It was the school siege which shocked the world.

:59:55.:59:58.

More than a thousand people taken hostage in Beslan in 2004

:59:59.:00:00.

Today the European Court of Human Rights has found Russia

:00:01.:00:06.

guilty of serious failings in how it handled the siege.

:00:07.:00:09.

TRANSLATION: We were standing next to the school gates.

:00:10.:00:18.

I saw three people running in with machine guns.

:00:19.:00:20.

At first I thought it was a joke, then they began shooting

:00:21.:00:23.

We'll be speaking to another survivor,

:00:24.:00:34.

who was one of the hostages - she was eight years old at the time.

:00:35.:00:38.

For more than two years, a mother thought her daughter had

:00:39.:00:42.

been cannibalised by a drug addict just out of prison.

:00:43.:00:45.

Paula Yemm says she was let down appallingly by the police

:00:46.:00:47.

He was going to commit crimes, he'd written letters saying

:00:48.:00:55.

so, and those hadn't been acted upon.

:00:56.:00:57.

There was an opportunity there, they could have contained him,

:00:58.:00:59.

You can watch that interview in full at half-past.

:01:00.:01:11.

So how did this woman lose 44 pounds without any exercise?

:01:12.:01:14.

Turns out she'd had cancer - Cosmopolitan magazine in the US come

:01:15.:01:16.

under fire for a tweet many found insensitive and offensive.

:01:17.:01:22.

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:01:23.:01:27.

The European Court of Human Rights has ruled that the Russian

:01:28.:01:34.

government should have done more to prevent the siege

:01:35.:01:37.

More than 330 people died when security forces stormed

:01:38.:01:41.

a school where Chechen separatists had taken more than

:01:42.:01:43.

The court in Strasbourg said more should have done

:01:44.:01:47.

to prevent the hostage taking, and to prevent the large-scale loss

:01:48.:01:50.

of life that followed when the security forces moved in.

:01:51.:01:52.

The court awarded survivors and relatives of victims who'd

:01:53.:01:59.

brought the case more than ?2 million

:02:00.:02:00.

Children from ordinary working families will be central

:02:01.:02:08.

to the Government's new generation of grammar schools.

:02:09.:02:10.

The Education Secretary, Justine Greening, will say today

:02:11.:02:12.

that grammar schools in England will be truly open to everyone -

:02:13.:02:15.

not just the privileged few and giving priority

:02:16.:02:17.

But a new analysis from the Government shows a majority

:02:18.:02:21.

of selective school places go to more affluent families.

:02:22.:02:23.

Justine Greening says they should work for all families.

:02:24.:02:28.

I think we've always recognised the debate,

:02:29.:02:33.

but we do have grammars in our school system already.

:02:34.:02:36.

What we're saying is we need to work out where they fit in in

:02:37.:02:39.

We want to see them playing a stronger role, lifting standards

:02:40.:02:43.

for all children in local communities, not just the ones

:02:44.:02:45.

who get through the school gates into a grammar.

:02:46.:02:50.

And we want a new model of grammar schools, for those new grammars that

:02:51.:02:54.

will come through in response to local community

:02:55.:02:56.

Prosecutors in Germany say they have no evidence that the only suspect

:02:57.:03:04.

they have in custody over the bomb attack against the Borussia Dortmund

:03:05.:03:06.

football team bus was linked to the crime.

:03:07.:03:10.

However, they said they were seeking an arrest warrant to keep

:03:11.:03:13.

the 26-year-old Iraqi national detained, over claims he may

:03:14.:03:15.

allegedly have been a member of so-called Islamic State in Iraq.

:03:16.:03:23.

President Trump has said relations with Russia may

:03:24.:03:25.

be at an all-time low, after the Kremlin refused to stop

:03:26.:03:28.

Speaking at a news conference in Washington, Mr Trump said America

:03:29.:03:33.

had been right to fire missiles at a Syrian airbase

:03:34.:03:39.

in response to a chemical weapons attack last week.

:03:40.:03:41.

Mr Trump also said he believes Nato is "no longer obsolete",

:03:42.:03:44.

reversing a stance that had alarmed allies.

:03:45.:03:49.

The mother of a young woman who was murdered in 2014 has told

:03:50.:03:52.

this programme she felt the police dealing with the case failed to show

:03:53.:03:55.

22-year-old Cerys Yemm was killed at a hostel in November 2014.

:03:56.:04:00.

An inquest jury ruled Miss Yemm was unlawfully killed.

:04:01.:04:03.

Paula Yemm is upset that the family only found out the true details

:04:04.:04:06.

of Cerys' murder from the inquest, rather than from the

:04:07.:04:09.

A lack of compassion and understanding and empathy

:04:10.:04:17.

for our position and for Cerys, my daughter.

:04:18.:04:19.

Workers on Virgin Trains East Coast are to stage a 48-hour

:04:20.:04:28.

It's because of a row over the role of guards and jobs.The RMT union

:04:29.:04:33.

said consultation over "widespread on-board changes" has been

:04:34.:04:35.

going on for more than a year, adding that the company had

:04:36.:04:38.

implemented the changes from March with no agreement with the union.

:04:39.:04:48.

A missing link in the evolution of dinosaurs has been discovered

:04:49.:04:51.

at the National History Museum in London.

:04:52.:04:55.

On discovering a lost fossil, scientists realised

:04:56.:04:57.

it was from an early 'cousin' of the dinosaur.

:04:58.:04:59.

They found that while it had a long neck and tail,

:05:00.:05:02.

it also walked on all fours more like a modern monitor

:05:03.:05:05.

It fills a critical gap in the fossil record and indicates

:05:06.:05:09.

that some dinosaur features evolved much earlier than

:05:10.:05:11.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30.

:05:12.:05:22.

In around 40 minutes, we will be talking about grammar schools. Lots

:05:23.:05:29.

of e-mails and texts coming from you this morning. Judith says I came

:05:30.:05:32.

from a working-class background and went to a grammar school because I

:05:33.:05:35.

passed the 11 plus with no extra coaching. I don't understand all the

:05:36.:05:41.

fuss that is being made. Many of my friends went to the adjoining

:05:42.:05:45.

secondary modern and we all had to pay for uniforms and school trips.

:05:46.:05:47.

The only difference was the curriculum was tailored to suit our

:05:48.:05:52.

needs and abilities, but what is wrong with encouraging each and

:05:53.:05:55.

every child to do their best? Surely it is better to aim high? It is

:05:56.:05:59.

perfectly possible for late developers to be switched to a more

:06:00.:06:02.

demanding curriculum with or without changing school. Do keep in touch

:06:03.:06:09.

with us this morning. Here's some sport now

:06:10.:06:14.

with Olly Foster. They did it in the last round,

:06:15.:06:15.

so Leicester City will be optimistic of overturning a one goal

:06:16.:06:22.

Champions League deficit again. They lost 1-0 in Madrid

:06:23.:06:24.

against Atletico in the first leg It was a first half penalty that

:06:25.:06:29.

should never have been awarded. It was definitely a foul

:06:30.:06:33.

on Antoine Griezmann, but Marc Albrighton pointed straight

:06:34.:06:35.

away to the referee His protests fell on deaf ears, but

:06:36.:06:37.

it was definitely outside. We know it's still going to be

:06:38.:06:51.

difficult return match. We have a very good home

:06:52.:06:57.

record at the King Power. You know, our fans enjoy these

:06:58.:06:59.

Champions League nights. We have to make sure that,

:07:00.:07:01.

of course, we need to be... The club are going to speak

:07:02.:07:04.

to Leicestershire police and stewards who were monitoring

:07:05.:07:19.

their fans in the city centre about the clashes

:07:20.:07:21.

with Spanish police. At least eight fans were arrested

:07:22.:07:23.

with some due to appear in a Madrid court today,

:07:24.:07:25.

but many of the supporters felt that the police had

:07:26.:07:28.

been "heavy-handed." It was very heavy-handed from the

:07:29.:07:37.

police, it was an all or nothing approach, they painted everyone with

:07:38.:07:40.

the same brush to say everyone was guilty of violence, when in actual

:07:41.:07:46.

fact it was only a minority in an isolated area of the square. But

:07:47.:07:48.

they chose to act upon everyone. The Borussia Dortmund manager

:07:49.:07:51.

Thomas Tuchel doesn't think that their Champions League

:07:52.:07:53.

quarter-final against Monaco should have been played last night, less

:07:54.:07:55.

than 24 hours after a bomb-attack The original tie was postponed

:07:56.:07:58.

after three bomb blasts damaged their bus and saw one

:07:59.:08:02.

of their players, Marc Bartra, They wore T-shirts

:08:03.:08:04.

in his honour last night. Tuchel said it was if Uefa felt

:08:05.:08:13.

that it was merely a "beer can" that had been thrown at the bus,

:08:14.:08:17.

and they weren't consulted. Uefa say they "never received any

:08:18.:08:19.

information which suggested that any The German World Cup winner

:08:20.:08:22.

Lothar Matteus has called Uefa's decision incomprehensible

:08:23.:08:28.

and irresponsible. In light of that, perhaps it's no

:08:29.:08:36.

surprise that Monaco won 3-2 on the night -

:08:37.:08:38.

Kylian Mbappe scored twice and take The shortlist is out for the PFA

:08:39.:08:41.

Player of the Year awards, One of Leicester City's unsung

:08:42.:08:51.

heroes when they won the title last N'Golo Kante has since joined

:08:52.:08:54.

Cheslea, and he has Also on the list is fellow Blue,

:08:55.:08:58.

Eden Hazard, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Harry Kane, Romelu Lukaku

:08:59.:09:02.

and Alexis Sanchez. Go to the BBC Sport website

:09:03.:09:05.

for the Young Players list and also the shortlists for

:09:06.:09:08.

the women's awards. That's all for now. I will be back

:09:09.:09:15.

with the headlines in half an hour. Shocking images of half naked

:09:16.:09:25.

children, trapped in their school. It was 13 years ago now -

:09:26.:09:30.

a hostage situation in the town Chechen militants took more

:09:31.:09:32.

than 1000 people captive. They'd wired the school

:09:33.:09:36.

with bombs and mines. It was the first day of term,

:09:37.:09:38.

when children put on their best Three days later, after they'd

:09:39.:09:40.

been kept in the school gym without food or water,

:09:41.:09:44.

hundreds were dead, The brutality of the attackers

:09:45.:09:47.

and the images of bloodied and traumatised children

:09:48.:09:51.

shocked the world. But so did the indiscriminate

:09:52.:09:53.

violence meted out by the Russians as they stormed the school to bring

:09:54.:09:55.

the siege to an end. And now the survivors of the horror

:09:56.:09:57.

and their families want justice. They took their case

:09:58.:10:01.

to the European Court of Human Rights which this morning

:10:02.:10:03.

ruled that there were "serious failings" in the way the Russian

:10:04.:10:06.

state handled the affair. In a moment we'll talk

:10:07.:10:08.

to the lawyers who brought the case, and a woman

:10:09.:10:11.

who was an eight-year-old pupil But first let's remind ourselves

:10:12.:10:13.

of those terrible events It was the first day of term

:10:14.:10:18.

in school number one in Beslan. In Russia there are no

:10:19.:10:28.

classes when pupils come back from the summer,

:10:29.:10:31.

it's supposed to be a day of celebration and catching up

:10:32.:10:33.

with friends, but rebels stormed the school and forced

:10:34.:10:35.

more than 1100 children, parents and teachers

:10:36.:10:38.

into a small gym. They wanted Russian troops to leave

:10:39.:10:41.

the nearby republic of Chechnya. TRANSLATION: We were standing next

:10:42.:10:45.

to the school gates. I saw three people running

:10:46.:10:49.

in with machine guns. At first I thought it was a joke,

:10:50.:10:51.

then they began shooting This was the start of a siege that

:10:52.:10:54.

went on for 52 hours. It was cramped and swelteringly hot

:10:55.:11:06.

in the gym, with no food or drink. There were bombs taped

:11:07.:11:10.

to the wall and hanging from Older pupils were forced to attach

:11:11.:11:12.

explosives to the basketball hoops and children were forced to stand

:11:13.:11:16.

near the windows as human shields. A few children, like this

:11:17.:11:20.

little girl, did manage to But as negotiations went on,

:11:21.:11:22.

other relatives were left waiting Terrified every time

:11:23.:11:30.

they heard gunfire. Hundreds of Russian security forces

:11:31.:11:38.

surrounded the school, and on the third day

:11:39.:11:43.

they stormed the building. Explosives

:11:44.:11:46.

and gunfire rang out. There was no sign of medical

:11:47.:11:48.

teams or ambulances. The attackers shot some

:11:49.:11:50.

of the children in the back as they ran for freedom,

:11:51.:11:52.

but others were carried out, weak, Some relatives fought to get

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through the security cordon to find out what was happening

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to their loved ones. 331 people died, 186

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of them were children. but many families and victims blame

:12:07.:12:16.

authorities, partly for not doing enough to prevent the attack,

:12:17.:12:22.

but also for the botched rescue It's come out that security

:12:23.:12:25.

forces fired tanks and Only one of the attackers was found

:12:26.:12:28.

alive, a Chechen carpenter. He is serving a life sentence.

:12:29.:12:39.

Authorities were cleared of any wrongdoing. For 13 years, families

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and hostages have fought that decision. They could be awarded

:12:44.:12:47.

compensation, but most say it is more about establishing

:12:48.:12:48.

responsibility. Well, let's cross live now

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to our correspondent What reaction are we getting from

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the authorities to this ruling? There is no official reaction from

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Moscow or any authorities, and I guess it won't come from while,

:13:06.:13:09.

because they really need careful wording of their response. But this

:13:10.:13:16.

ruling is not coming as a surprise from Russian officials, because the

:13:17.:13:20.

arguments put by the relatives of those who died in Beslan were

:13:21.:13:26.

strong, and it was quite expected that the European Court of Human

:13:27.:13:28.

Rights would rule in their favour. So now there are again a lot of

:13:29.:13:34.

questions, really serious questions, which address back to the Russian

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government, and if they start speaking of this, start reacting,

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questions will start again, and I would like to say that none of the

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Russian officials were held responsible for this tragedy, and

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the European Court of Human Rights was the last hope for mothers of the

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victims to put this tragedy back to the light again and to try to find

:13:57.:14:02.

answers to their questions. Thank you, Olga Ivshina speaking to from

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Moscow. Joining us from St Petersberg

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is Zarina Dzampaeva who was eight years old and at the school

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in Beslan with her mother and sister In the studio is Jessica Gavron -

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a human rights lawyer who has supported the Beslan survivors'

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case. And in Moscow is Kirill Koroteev,

:14:23.:14:25.

the victims' lawyer. Thank you all for joining us.

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Zarina, what is your reaction to the verdict? How are you feeling right

:14:35.:14:35.

now? I am concerned that I'm not sure

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that we are against the country at all, the whole country, we are

:14:46.:14:52.

against the fact that still guilty people are not punished, and we

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can't say that guilty people are punished already. So as for me,

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extra measures should be taken to investigate it, because still nobody

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is responsible for that, and this is very... It makes us feel nervous

:15:16.:15:24.

about the situation. So I think the court is quite right about Russia,

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and it should be ruled so that Russia would take some measures.

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Zarina, tell us what you remember about that day. I was too young to

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remember something from that, but still, I remember some moments. I

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remember when we were there, there was a total lack of water, so we

:15:56.:16:03.

wanted to drink so, so much, and I remember when somebody said to me

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from that, I was drinking water so much that others try to stop me,

:16:09.:16:13.

because it was unhealthy to do that, and I remember somebody was killed

:16:14.:16:26.

by terrorists, and that was a great... It impressed me so much, I

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think at the time I understood that I am in a bad situation. But I was

:16:31.:16:39.

too young, so maybe I didn't even understand at first that I was in

:16:40.:16:40.

that situation. I would like to bring in Jessica if

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I can. Is it clear what the Russian government new ahead of this attack?

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There have been claims and concerns that the warnings had been there

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before hand? Yes, it is clear I think unclear from the court's

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ruling that the Russian government had a substantial amount of

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information in its hand prior to the attack. They knew a group of

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terrorists was training in a particular region, that they were

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targeting the Day of Knowledge, the first day of September, the

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beginning of the school year at all schools in Russia, a day of

:17:20.:17:24.

celebrations with families at the school, and they knew it was an

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educational establishment. They knew the scale of the attack. They did

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not what exactly which school but from the area they could surmise

:17:31.:17:33.

which schools were likely to be targets. So, Kirill, if the Russian

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government was aware of this threat, why was the ending of the siege so

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badly handled? Well, I think the court has quite rightly described

:17:51.:17:56.

what happened with the conduct of the security operation as disorder.

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It is impressive that for example those who were in charge of rescuing

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the refugees, the emergency situations Ministry, they were not

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given the exact number of hostages by the security officers, and the

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victims and the public in general has been complaining that the exact

:18:31.:18:38.

number of hostages has never been given, that it was never given until

:18:39.:18:42.

everything was over, but it is also impressive that it has never been

:18:43.:18:51.

communicated for example within the structure of the bodies in charge of

:18:52.:18:59.

the security operations. So the court again was very critical of

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decision-making to use heavy weaponry against the school... Let's

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talk about that. For people who are not familiar with the heavy

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weaponry, Jessica, they were using flame-throwers, tanks... It was a

:19:17.:19:20.

huge military response, knowing that the thousand people including many

:19:21.:19:22.

hundreds of children were inside that school. Has it ever been made

:19:23.:19:27.

clear why those decisions were made? No, and that... We argued the

:19:28.:19:33.

government has never given an adequate explanation. The situation

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was that I think it was so chaotic that once you have the military

:19:37.:19:40.

involved there are very few constraints on the military in the

:19:41.:19:44.

legislation in Russia, and they just went in too hard. Flame-throwers for

:19:45.:19:50.

instance are a military grade weapon for the battlefield, for demolishing

:19:51.:19:53.

military installations. They create a huge pressure wave, the crush

:19:54.:19:59.

people. It is a devastating instrument to use and is totally

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indiscriminate by its very nature. Likewise, tanks. If you're firing on

:20:04.:20:08.

a school full of hostages, and like your report showed these were

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vulnerable children, over 800 children who had not had food and

:20:13.:20:15.

water for three days, they were very weak. So it was a totally

:20:16.:20:19.

disproportionate response, and I am glad to see the court has held that,

:20:20.:20:26.

and I think the applicants and victims of the Beslan siege will be

:20:27.:20:29.

glad as well, because their main concern is the failure to prevent

:20:30.:20:33.

the attack, as you rightly pointed out, there was a lot of information

:20:34.:20:37.

about that, and the use of these disproportionate weapons that only

:20:38.:20:40.

increased the danger of the hostages, where of course the

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state's obligation in a situation like this is to try to take all

:20:44.:20:47.

measures possible to minimise the risk of loss of life. Zarina, what

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impact has the siege had on Beslan as a community? Can you hear me,

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Zarina? Yes. I just wondered what impact the siege at the school had

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on Beslan as a community. Has it ever been able to recover? Firstly I

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would like to say that there is no one family in or did not... Do it

:21:17.:21:25.

has not impacted on, the terrorism act. -- no one family who has not

:21:26.:21:31.

felt the impact of the terrorist act. We as a community, the Beslan

:21:32.:21:35.

community, we became more close to each other because there were

:21:36.:21:47.

serious problems, and that is why we became very close to each other. Of

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course it has had a huge impact on our school. Do you think this

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judgment will help people move on? Or do they need more? To move on,

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you mean people who were damage there? You said every family was

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impacted in Beslan, so having this European Court of Human Rights

:22:16.:22:18.

ruling that the Russian government made mistakes, does that help people

:22:19.:22:23.

to move on with their lives, or do they need to see the people held to

:22:24.:22:29.

account? Can I firstly say something? Me and my family, I can't

:22:30.:22:33.

talk about us. We are sure that there is no... Our country is

:22:34.:22:42.

guilty, sure, because terrorism is an international problem so I think

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no one country is more guilty in such case, so I think it is more the

:22:48.:23:00.

responsibility of our local authority, so the government of our

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republic should be responsible for more than the Government of Russia.

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Kirill, I want you to come in and speak a little bit about

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compensation. Part of the ruling was over ?2 million in compensation, I

:23:14.:23:16.

understand, to those families who brought the case? I have yet to have

:23:17.:23:27.

the total figure but I would say the awards, when taken by applicants,

:23:28.:23:33.

individual applicants,... The court explicitly says it has taken into

:23:34.:23:40.

account previous payments made by the Russian government. But given

:23:41.:23:45.

there are over 400 applicants, the total figure is nevertheless

:23:46.:23:53.

impressive. So what is justice for the families you represent? I don't

:23:54.:24:02.

think that any sum of money is able to compensate for the loss, and the

:24:03.:24:10.

court is also right in indicating the number of specific measures that

:24:11.:24:15.

need to be done by the Russian authorities concerning

:24:16.:24:17.

investigation, concerning disclosure of documents, concerning also

:24:18.:24:23.

importantly public recognition of state responsibility for this. And

:24:24.:24:32.

such measures are never ever unfortunately implemented by the

:24:33.:24:40.

Russian government. There is experience of dozens of cases where

:24:41.:24:43.

fresh investigations were required and never conducted. So there is a

:24:44.:24:54.

lot still to be done beyond payment of compensation. Then those

:24:55.:25:05.

responsible are brought to justice, even this will be just another point

:25:06.:25:17.

on the way towards justice which also includes comprehensive

:25:18.:25:24.

assessment of the facts, and access to all relevant evidence that has

:25:25.:25:31.

been withheld from the victims since the very beginning of the

:25:32.:25:34.

investigation. Simply, they want the truth, and no one can blame them for

:25:35.:25:39.

that. Kirill, thank you for speaking the us, and also to Zarina and

:25:40.:25:41.

Jessica as well. Grammar schools - they're

:25:42.:25:45.

controversial and not Today the Education Secretary

:25:46.:26:09.

hopes to change that, as she sets out plans

:26:10.:26:12.

for a new generation of these schools -

:26:13.:26:14.

but will they get full marks The US version of the women's

:26:15.:26:17.

magazine Cosmopolitan has caused upset on social media after it

:26:18.:26:20.

tweeted about a woman it said had lost weight

:26:21.:26:23.

without doing any exercise. The story it linked to explained

:26:24.:26:24.

that the woman had had cancer. Although it went on to make clear

:26:25.:26:27.

that she had lost the weight through healthy eating,

:26:28.:26:30.

many people have criticised the magazine, accusing it

:26:31.:26:32.

of insensitively handling the story We can speak now to Nadia Mendoza,

:26:33.:26:34.

a showbizz reporter at the Daily Star and co-founder

:26:35.:26:38.

of The Self Esteem Team, which does talks with

:26:39.:26:40.

teenagers about body image. And in Salford is Lydia Brain,

:26:41.:26:43.

who is a 24-year-old Thank you both for taking the time

:26:44.:26:48.

out to speed to us today. Nadia, I will start speaking to you first.

:26:49.:26:51.

You are a journalist, a showbiz journalist. Probably not a lot

:26:52.:26:53.

shocks you. Did this tactic shock you? I would say I am not easily

:26:54.:26:56.

shocked, but on this occasion I was. I would say that there is a line

:26:57.:27:00.

that we toe and it was crossed on this occasion. They might well have

:27:01.:27:06.

said "How to get a beach body... Get cancer." Being slim, it is one

:27:07.:27:16.

beauty ideal we have, and if cancer becomes aspirational, where do we go

:27:17.:27:19.

from there? Will HIV be trendy so you can fit into your wedding dress?

:27:20.:27:24.

It is madness, crossing the line, for me. What about you, Lydia? I was

:27:25.:27:31.

really shocked and I already had quite a negative view about how the

:27:32.:27:36.

media portrays women, but that was quite an extreme example. You have

:27:37.:27:39.

had a difficult experience with the media. Tell us your story and your

:27:40.:27:48.

experience, if you would? I am into pole fitness and have been for a

:27:49.:27:51.

long time and I was very aware the media might jump on this with my

:27:52.:27:56.

story, and I tried to manage that, and one tabloid newspaper found a

:27:57.:28:00.

photograph of me doing pole and I was in a sports bra and shorts, and

:28:01.:28:06.

they put it up without consent, and that is quite heavily regulated, so

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that was a bit of a shock, because I didn't really want my body or my

:28:11.:28:14.

hobbies to be used to sensationalise my story or detract from the

:28:15.:28:20.

meaning, which it did. Particularly when you are fighting Cancer right

:28:21.:28:27.

now? Yes. I will be doing so for several years. I have cancer

:28:28.:28:32.

chronically, and that was the first time I had been open about it and

:28:33.:28:36.

got in touch with the media, so for the first day, to be aware that that

:28:37.:28:42.

was used incorrectly, it was quite a shock. I think it is worth pointing

:28:43.:28:47.

out that this article, which was in US Cosmopolitan, the article itself

:28:48.:28:50.

was very clear about what had happened to this woman, but it was

:28:51.:28:56.

that tweet and I guess that is the problem with Twitter, or social

:28:57.:29:00.

media. Are we daft enough to click on it? Is apparently our fault? It

:29:01.:29:05.

is about click bait, at the end of the day. Yes, and for me this tweet

:29:06.:29:09.

opens a wider debate about why we are still drawn to these shock

:29:10.:29:13.

factor stories and click bait pictures, as you say. I know from my

:29:14.:29:18.

experience as an editor, if I write at story about Angelina Jolie's

:29:19.:29:23.

philanthropy, it will not get any clicks, but if I write about someone

:29:24.:29:27.

from Jordan sure having a shock body transformation, it could be the

:29:28.:29:29.

story of the day. What we do is educate students in schools on

:29:30.:29:34.

self-esteem, mental health, social media etc and CV should be

:29:35.:29:39.

responsible for what they are clicking online. Each click is like

:29:40.:29:42.

a vote to the editor saying you want more of that content, so, yes, I do

:29:43.:29:48.

believe Cosmopolitan US were wrong in this instance but it is about

:29:49.:29:52.

taking responsibility and we all have to take responsibility for our

:29:53.:29:57.

digital footprint. Lydia, I can see you are nodding. Yes, I think we do,

:29:58.:30:02.

slightly. I am kind of shocked because the story is quite shocking

:30:03.:30:08.

already, that a headline about her weight loss is actually more click

:30:09.:30:12.

bait than her illness and some of the stuff she had suffered through,

:30:13.:30:15.

because I would see that as being more shocking and more click bait,

:30:16.:30:20.

if I was an editor, so that just kind of shows some of the issues we

:30:21.:30:24.

have in society at the moment. I have to ask you as you are here,

:30:25.:30:29.

Nadia, people may well be shouting at the TV, saying if you are working

:30:30.:30:33.

at the Daily Star is showbiz journalist, how can you also be

:30:34.:30:36.

working with girls and self-esteem issues? Your paper is full of women

:30:37.:30:40.

scantily clad and fitting the image that we are all told we should look

:30:41.:30:48.

like. How do you that? Firstly with my job at the Daily Star we cover a

:30:49.:30:52.

very diverse group of people, so we would cover the naturally slender,

:30:53.:30:59.

Victoria's Secret Angels, but also all the glorious shapes and sizes on

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the middle, we do not just focus on one ideal. When we go into schools,

:31:04.:31:07.

like I say, we educate people on the choices they make online. And the

:31:08.:31:12.

choices they make in terms of who they follow, for example if your

:31:13.:31:19.

Instagram feed is full of fitness models, people making you depressed

:31:20.:31:22.

or worrying about your weight, we say stop following them. You are

:31:23.:31:28.

entitled to choose the wallpaper of your world. But it is easier said

:31:29.:31:31.

than done when you are a teenage girl. Thank you both for speaking to

:31:32.:31:34.

us today, Nadia and Lydia. We did ask Cosmopolitan

:31:35.:31:36.

for an interview and statement "Ordinary working families shouldn't

:31:37.:31:38.

have to make do when it comes to their children's education" -

:31:39.:31:49.

that's the message from the Education Secretary as she sets

:31:50.:31:50.

out plans for a new generation on Grammar schools -

:31:51.:31:53.

it's got you talking and we'll be 22-year-old Cerys Yemm was murdered,

:31:54.:32:07.

and her mother says the police dealing with the case failed to show

:32:08.:32:10.

the family compassion. We will hear from her and Cerys's sister,

:32:11.:32:14.

Shannon. First, it is 10.30 two. With the news here's Annita

:32:15.:32:22.

in the BBC Newsroom. The European Court of Human Rights

:32:23.:32:24.

has ruled that the Russian government should have done more

:32:25.:32:36.

to prevent the siege More than 330 people died

:32:37.:32:38.

when security forces stormed a school where Chechen separatists

:32:39.:32:42.

had taken more than The court in Strasbourg said

:32:43.:32:44.

more should have done to prevent the hostage taking,

:32:45.:32:48.

and to prevent the large-scale loss of life that followed

:32:49.:32:50.

when the security forces moved in. The court awarded survivors

:32:51.:32:53.

and relatives of victims who'd brought the case

:32:54.:32:55.

more than ?2 million Children from ordinary working

:32:56.:32:58.

families will be central to the Government's new generation

:32:59.:33:02.

of grammar schools. The Education Secretary,

:33:03.:33:04.

Justine Greening, will say today that grammar schools in England

:33:05.:33:06.

will be truly open to everyone - not just the privileged

:33:07.:33:08.

few and giving priority But a new analysis from

:33:09.:33:11.

the Government shows a majority of selective school places go

:33:12.:33:16.

to more affluent families. Prosecutors in Germany say they have

:33:17.:33:18.

no evidence that the only suspect they have in custody over the bomb

:33:19.:33:21.

attack against the Borussia Dortmund football team bus was linked

:33:22.:33:24.

to the crime. However, they said they were seeking

:33:25.:33:27.

an arrest warrant to keep the 26-year-old Iraqi national

:33:28.:33:30.

detained, over claims he may allegedly have been a member

:33:31.:33:32.

of so-called Islamic State in Iraq. President Trump has said

:33:33.:33:40.

relations with Russia may be at an all-time low,

:33:41.:33:42.

after the Kremlin refused to stop Speaking at a news conference

:33:43.:33:45.

in Washington, Mr Trump said America had been right to fire missiles

:33:46.:33:49.

at a Syrian airbase in response to a chemical

:33:50.:33:52.

weapons attack last week. Mr Trump also said he believes Nato

:33:53.:33:54.

is "no longer obsolete", reversing a stance that had alarmed

:33:55.:33:56.

allies. Workers on Virgin Trains East Coast

:33:57.:34:05.

are to stage a 48-hour It's because of a row over

:34:06.:34:07.

the role of guards and jobs. said consultation over "widespread

:34:08.:34:15.

on-board changes" has been going on for more than a year,

:34:16.:34:19.

adding that the company had implemented the changes from March

:34:20.:34:21.

with no agreement with the union. Coastal areas in parts

:34:22.:34:26.

of New Zealand's North Island have been evacuated ahead of what's

:34:27.:34:28.

expected to be the most powerful storm to hit the country

:34:29.:34:31.

in 50 years. Tropical storm Cook is forecast

:34:32.:34:33.

to bring more than ten centimetres of rain and winds of up

:34:34.:34:36.

to a-hundred-miles an hour. Some areas are already under

:34:37.:34:38.

a state of emergency. That's a summary of the latest news,

:34:39.:34:47.

join me for BBC Newsroom Thank you. Lots of you still getting

:34:48.:34:55.

in touch with us about grammar schools. We will be having a

:34:56.:34:59.

discussion about this in ten minutes. Rex says I was born to an

:35:00.:35:04.

ordinary working class family, my father was a minor, my sister passed

:35:05.:35:10.

the 11 plus and went on to have a successful career, I failed it but

:35:11.:35:13.

passed a further exam to attend the local grammar school two years

:35:14.:35:16.

later. The make-up of the school was a cross-section of society from

:35:17.:35:21.

children of solicitors to children of factory workers and miners. I

:35:22.:35:25.

soon found out we had a lot of knowledge to catch up on in the

:35:26.:35:28.

grammar. I think a return of grammar schools is a great idea and not

:35:29.:35:34.

political ideology of the Labour comprehensive system that has not

:35:35.:35:40.

been a success. Carol says I don't believe in grammar schools, they

:35:41.:35:43.

separate children into those who are good enough on those why not and

:35:44.:35:46.

will feel the rest of their lives feeling that way. John went to

:35:47.:35:51.

grammar school in 1946, I came from a working-class family, my mother

:35:52.:35:54.

was widowed and bringing up two children. I went to school with

:35:55.:35:58.

holes in my shoes. We all sat an entrance exam and had a choice of

:35:59.:36:02.

three grammar schools in the area. We got to school on merit and not on

:36:03.:36:06.

privilege. This is typical socialist propaganda that they always use. And

:36:07.:36:10.

Chris said, I passed the 11 plus much to the surprise of me and my

:36:11.:36:15.

teachers. Coming from a working-class poor family, a grammar

:36:16.:36:19.

school was the making of me. What I didn't understand then was that my

:36:20.:36:22.

good luck was paid for by the 90% of kids who didn't get selected. If you

:36:23.:36:26.

build a new grammar school, every other state secondary is reduced to

:36:27.:36:30.

a secondary modern and their children already feel classed as

:36:31.:36:35.

failures. Keep getting in touch. Let's get some sport now with Olly

:36:36.:36:36.

Foster. These are our headlines this

:36:37.:36:39.

morning: Leicester City will have to overturn a 1-0 deficit

:36:40.:36:42.

in their Champions League quarter-final

:36:43.:36:44.

against Atletico Madrid. The Spaniards were wrongly

:36:45.:36:49.

awarded a penalty, The second leg at the King Power

:36:50.:36:52.

is next Tuesday night. The Borussia Dortmund manager

:36:53.:36:58.

Thomas Tuchel doesn't think that they have

:36:59.:37:01.

played their quarterfinal so soon after the bomb-attack

:37:02.:37:04.

on the team coach. Postponed by less than 24 hours,

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they lost their first-leg And the shortlist is out for the PFA

:37:08.:37:09.

Player of the Year awards. Chelsea's N'golo Kante

:37:10.:37:15.

is the clear favourite. You can see all the candidates

:37:16.:37:17.

on the BBC Sport website, as well as the Young Player

:37:18.:37:20.

of the Year and Women's And the draw has been made for the

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first round of the World Snooker Championship at the Crucible in

:37:28.:37:30.

Sheffield, that starts on Saturday. Defending champion Mark Selby will

:37:31.:37:37.

face further O'Brien, and five-time world champion Ronnie O'Sullivan has

:37:38.:37:39.

got Gary Wilson. That starts on Saturday across the BBC.

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I'll be back with more sport on BBC News after 11.

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In November 2014, a young woman, Cerys Yemm, was murdered

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by Matthew Williams, a man with mental health and drug

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abuse issues who'd been released from prison two weeks earlier.

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The case hit the headlines when it was wrongly dubbed

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the "cannibal" killing because the owner of the hostel

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where it happened believed she'd seen Williams eating

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Whilst this later proved to be untrue, Cerys' family say

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they were devastated to hear of the claims through social media,

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and waited two and a half years to discover the truth.

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Williams died after being tasered by police, but now the inquest

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into Cery's death has finally concluded and her family believe

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that if it wasn't for failings in the support and supervision

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he received after leaving prison, she would still be alive.

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Earlier I spoke to Cerys's mum and sister, who began by telling me very

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action when they first heard she had died.

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It happened in the early hours of the 6th of November.

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I caught up and I went to work as normal, and then they phoned

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through and they said, the police are in reception for you.

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Which wasn't unusual, with my job, I'd often meet with the police.

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I went through and I said to them, was it about a certain

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And I don't know why, because I'd been worried about Sian,

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she just passed her test and I was worried about her driving

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in the car, the nights with dark, bad weather.

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But I just said it's Cerys, isn't it, it's Cerys?

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They began to tell me then and I refused to listen.

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That bit then is a blur, really, from then on.

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It was, that was then our nightmare began.

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And you obviously then had to tell your family.

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I'd gone to my mother's, and only just got in there and I said,

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right, I need to get hold of Shannon and tell her.

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At that point, I think Shannon phoned my mum, because she'd

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seen things on Facebook and then people were phoning her and saying,

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So then I spoke to Shannon and she said, mum, mum, is this true?

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Shannon, you actually found out from social media?

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I had people messaging me, because I'd

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Then I had people messaging me by Facebook message, saying, please

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don't tell me it's true, it's not your sister, is it?

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And obviously I had to drive home from Cardiff,

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Mum was crying, couldn't tell me, couldn't speak on the phone.

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So I said mum, will you tell me, please.

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Obviously there was traffic from Cardiff

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then so I was in a bit of a

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thing in the car, crying, thinking it's not true.

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Obviously I tried to ring Cerys, because I didn't know,

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I thought I'd contact her, but didn't get no answer.

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But at that time I didn't think that was weird,

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because I didn't get an answer off my brother either,

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so I just thought, neither of them are answering me,

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What about the issue that many of the tabloid media picked

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up on about the nature of Cerys's death?

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Many of them labelling it a cannibal attack,

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and something that for a long time you thought was the

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Again, we found out off social media, me and my brother having

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woken up a couple of mornings after and it had been

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a story on Facebook that people were sharing.

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couple of mornings after, but there is only so long you can

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keep things like that from somebody, because it was everywhere.

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I was sleeping a lot of the time, in and out of sleep and different

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things, but I think I woke up about four o'clock, five

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o'clock in the morning, had gone downstairs,

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and my sister was staying on the settee at that point,

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and I walked into the living room and I saw her picture

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But seeing those headlines about your child, I still can't

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And it was two and a half years before you found out that wasn't

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At no point were we sat down as a family and told

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What I got told was initially it was a head injury,

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then they opened the inquest and I saw again on the news "sharp

:43:13.:43:18.

force trauma to face and neck," again that is very

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to me, than a head injury, so I said why is it being reported

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They said, well, yes, it was, but did not go into any further

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details at that point, so for the last two and a half years

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that has been over us as a family, not knowing.

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Just very much in the dark about my child, her sister,

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about how this came about and exactly

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We spoke to the police about that and they were saying they wanted

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to limit the information given to you, and as a family you said

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you wanted limited information about what had happened to Cerys.

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If you can imagine, as I just said, the horrific circumstances,

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those headlines, very early on I was...

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I did put up the shutters, I didn't want to know.

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But obviously as the weeks, the days, the months go on,

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At the inquest, which you have mentioned, into the death

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of your daughter, the mother of Matthew Williams,

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who killed Cerys, said that he needed help,

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he had been released from prison just a couple of weeks earlier,

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he had severe mental health issues, he wasn't getting support, and there

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was no updated risk assessment before his release. And is that what

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you want to change, better communication between agencies to

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rent another family going through what you went through? He was going

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to commit crimes, he had written letters saying so, and those hadn't

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been acted upon. There was an opportunity. He had written letters

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in prison saying he wanted to kill when he came out, more than eight

:45:31.:45:34.

letters which he had written. The risk was that he was going to commit

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a serious offence. And I fear that everyone knew that, but they took

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the view, we can't really do anything because he is not an

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license, so we won't do anything, and not even share that information

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with anyone. And that needs to change.

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Paula and Shannon Yemm speaking to us a little earlier.

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"Ordinary working families shouldn't have to make do when it comes

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That's the message of the Education Secretary,

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Justine Greening, as she sets out her plans for a new generation

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New Government analysis shows a majority of selective school

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But Labour says the Government's own research shows that grammars

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In the last few minutes Justine Greening the Education Secretary has

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been speaking in South London. A fairer society, a society based on

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merit, and that must surely start with education and our schools.

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Making sure that our children and young people can do their very best

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and reach their potential, wherever they are growing up. That is the

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means by which we build a better country. It is how we deliver the

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plan for Britain. In short, we are the means, our country's people,

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each and every one of us. Some of the most vivid memories I have in my

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life are about opportunities. There is one of me and a red telephone box

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in Devon. It is still there. It looks pretty normal, but it matters

:47:20.:47:26.

to me, that phone box, because it is the telephone box I rang from to get

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my A level results, and I remember screaming with delight when I got

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the news I had the results are needed to go to university, and I

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was the first person in my family to be able to go to university. We went

:47:42.:47:45.

across the road to the pub to celebrate, and as we sat there as a

:47:46.:47:48.

family to celebrate nobody knew what this next stage in my life would be

:47:49.:47:53.

like, but we knew it was going to be important, because I knew it would

:47:54.:47:57.

open up the world to me and it would transform my chances in the future,

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and I believe that we can build that education system here in Britain,

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but in the end it forms around opportunity, and opportunity is

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about how we translate those hopes and aspirations into something real,

:48:13.:48:19.

something concrete, so for me opportunity is the most precious

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commodity in this world, and our strong economy is vital, because it

:48:24.:48:28.

is the opportunity engine of our country. But we know truly need to

:48:29.:48:35.

make it a country where everyone has an equal shot of taking advantage of

:48:36.:48:39.

those opportunities being created. This is a Government that wants more

:48:40.:48:45.

opportunity for more people and more equality of opportunity, and that

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means unlocking our children's potential.

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Let's discuss this with Lee Elliot Major,

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CEO of the Sutton Trust, an education think tank,

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We can also speak to Labour's Shadow Education Secretary,

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Angela Rayner, who is in our Salford newsroom.

:49:07.:49:08.

And in Nottingham, Malcolm Trobe - he's the interim general secretary

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of the Association of School and College Leaders.

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Thank you all for joining us on this. First of all, Lee, do you

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welcome this? I think we welcome the Government looking into social

:49:21.:49:23.

mobility but we have real reservations about grammar schools

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as agents of social mobility. The basic problem is they are not

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attracting poorer children. If you look at the statistics, the

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likelihood of getting into these grammars is vanishingly small, and

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we know the biggest issue for social mobility in a way is for that bottom

:49:40.:49:44.

third of pupils. Malcolm Trobe, would you agree with that? Yes, very

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much. We see that their evidence is increasing selection is not going to

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have any impact on the overall educational standards across the

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country. It may impact on the life chances of a small minority of

:50:00.:50:03.

youngsters who go to selective schools, but in terms of raising the

:50:04.:50:07.

overall educational standards across the country and giving us a highly

:50:08.:50:11.

skilled workforce for the future, we don't see this as a positive step.

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We need good schools for every single child. So you are saying they

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shouldn't be grammar schools at all. Lee, you are saying there should be

:50:23.:50:25.

as long as poorer children are given the opportunity to access them? We

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are just pragmatic. Grammar schools are here. I don't think they are

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going to go always a wealthy are here and let's ensure the benefit

:50:35.:50:37.

all children. I would agree with Malcolm we want good schools, and

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indeed we want high achieving children from all backgrounds doing

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well in all schools. I would agree with that, but for grammars

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specifically I would say you have to be quite radical and lower the

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grades for poorer children. You have to give them private tutoring,

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because we know for those who get into grammar schools, and there's

:50:57.:50:59.

been a huge boom in private tutoring over the decade, and the middle

:51:00.:51:03.

classes, thinking about tutoring quite rightly, they are moving

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further away, and I think it is the poorer children we should

:51:08.:51:11.

concentrate on. It might pay for that? Yes, it is really

:51:12.:51:15.

cost-effective, in many ways, if you get the right tutors. Why don't you

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just say no one can privately trigger? Social mobility should be

:51:21.:51:24.

about levelling up rather than dumbing down, if you like, and you

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have to allow parents to do the best for their children, but we need to

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allow those really bright talented children, from all backgrounds, all

:51:36.:51:38.

kinds of talents, we need to allow that, private tutoring, give them a

:51:39.:51:41.

break. Angela, would you agree with that? Allowed poorer children

:51:42.:51:48.

private tutoring to compete? I believe across the UK where we do

:51:49.:51:53.

not have selection that the evidence is a fully comprehensive system

:51:54.:51:55.

which makes sure every child reaches their potential is the best way

:51:56.:52:00.

forward. Justine Greening spoke a lot about the potential, people

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reaching their potential, and both me and her come from a comprehensive

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system, and I really felt what she set about feeling really great that

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she was the first to go to university, but under her Government

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she will take us backwards, and it is not Justine Greening that want

:52:15.:52:22.

grammar schools. It is quite clear that this is Theresa May pushing

:52:23.:52:24.

this Government against all the evidence suggesting this will not

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help social mobility and poorer kids get the best education. They are

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cutting the school budgets at the moment in most of our children's

:52:30.:52:32.

schools and it is a scandal and should not happen. The only thing I

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would say to that, you know, it is refreshing to have us alt. Why we

:52:38.:52:42.

are all comprehensive educated. So I! It is great to have a show, and

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comprehensive education does produce people who go on to do things, but I

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think we have a pragmatic view and grammars that because they still do

:52:53.:52:55.

produce many of the people who get to the top in society, let's make

:52:56.:52:58.

sure they are accessible to all children. Let me read you some of

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the messages coming into us. We have been getting so many throughout the

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morning. Anita says, bring back grammar schools. The sooner, the

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better. It is not the case of elite being a better

:53:12.:53:24.

system, but concentrating on trades and the like. I know many a

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tradesperson that have done much better than an academic. Also, I

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went to grammar school and my sons went to a conference of and I

:53:31.:53:33.

noticed a massive difference in the schooling. What about good boys and

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girls being bullied and intimidated by those children who are more

:53:36.:53:37.

streetwise? Sometimes able children just leave school. Another e-mail.

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"I Went to a grammar school in the 50s. All of my family was working

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class. My son is a doctor. And my dad worked in the steelworks. I

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would call that social mobility." So this suggests it can work? But all

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the evidence suggests it does not work and if you look at the

:53:55.:53:56.

occupational groups and how people will work through their working

:53:57.:53:59.

lives in the future, it will not be that you have the white and

:54:00.:54:04.

blue-collar, those in manufacturing jobs, but people will work longer,

:54:05.:54:07.

perhaps of a physically demanding job in early years then move onto a

:54:08.:54:11.

different job. We need to scale up the workforce and have a lifelong

:54:12.:54:15.

learning approach and a comprehensive system ensures every

:54:16.:54:18.

child does well, not just those who are gifted and talented. Every child

:54:19.:54:22.

does well in a comprehensive system and that is what we want to see. But

:54:23.:54:26.

Lee says it is about aiming high, and we should not be dumbing

:54:27.:54:42.

down, aiming high. If children are able, give them the opportunity to

:54:43.:54:46.

excel. Absolutely, and if you look at the London Challenge which Labour

:54:47.:54:48.

introduced, not a grammar school insight in London, every child does

:54:49.:54:50.

well. It transformed education system, working with the Department

:54:51.:54:52.

for Education and local Government, they were able to improve the school

:54:53.:54:55.

experience for every single child in the London community and we need to

:54:56.:54:58.

throw that out. We need to look at International studies and see what

:54:59.:55:00.

works best on evidence based policy. Unfortunately grammar schools help a

:55:01.:55:04.

tiny few, and they leave the rest on the scrapheap, and that is not a

:55:05.:55:08.

good way of making sure every child reaches their full potential. Does

:55:09.:55:11.

everyone feel they are on the scrapheap? I did not feel that at

:55:12.:55:17.

the secondary modern. Malcolm Trobe, how do you think you make grammar is

:55:18.:55:20.

accessible? The reality is they year. The Government is pushing

:55:21.:55:24.

forward with this. Do you agree with the idea of private tuition paid for

:55:25.:55:29.

by the state to give people a level playing field? We know this is a

:55:30.:55:34.

highly complex issue and the selection process is used at the

:55:35.:55:38.

moment to enable people to come into grammar schools, let's be fair,

:55:39.:55:42.

those people working in grammar schools at the moment do a good job

:55:43.:55:45.

for the children they have in front of them, however you can't develop

:55:46.:55:53.

Chuter proof tests and any parent desperate to get their youngster

:55:54.:55:59.

into a selective school will do their utmost to make sure they are

:56:00.:56:03.

getting some form of tutoring -- you can't develop tutor-proof tests.

:56:04.:56:07.

What we need to do is get the Government away from thinking about

:56:08.:56:11.

this as the big change. At the moment young people's life chances

:56:12.:56:16.

are being significantly affected, as Angela said earlier, by the fact we

:56:17.:56:20.

are seeing significant cuts in education budgets. It is around

:56:21.:56:25.

about ?1.2 billion in the current year and will be ?3 billion by the

:56:26.:56:28.

time we are at the end of this Parliament. We have a crisis in

:56:29.:56:33.

terms of teacher supply. These are the real issues we need the

:56:34.:56:37.

Government to be focusing on now, in order to ensure we are given the

:56:38.:56:43.

best possible life chances for the youngsters currently in the system.

:56:44.:56:48.

I would just add to that, Malcolm. I think the state sector as a whole

:56:49.:56:52.

needs to up its game on those highest academic achievers. If you

:56:53.:56:57.

look at the system as a whole the children from poorer backgrounds are

:56:58.:57:00.

about on average three years behind their more privileged counterparts

:57:01.:57:04.

at age 15 is, so I absolutely agree with Angela that we need a school

:57:05.:57:08.

system that nurtures different talents, absolutely right. We want a

:57:09.:57:11.

strong apprenticeship system. We need that as well, but I do think we

:57:12.:57:17.

need to work really hard so that the most academically able children in

:57:18.:57:20.

the state sector are competing with their more privileged counterparts.

:57:21.:57:25.

You are right there, Lee. We have to do our best for every single child,

:57:26.:57:31.

but one of the key things is having them all in institutions that are

:57:32.:57:35.

able to move them on. We know from experience that youngsters to

:57:36.:57:39.

develop at different rates. And actually 11 is not a good age at

:57:40.:57:45.

which to make a number of decisions for young people, so, yes, we all

:57:46.:57:49.

need to up our game. When we look at the workforce we are going to need

:57:50.:57:52.

going forward, it is not the workforce we needed in the 50s and

:57:53.:57:57.

60s. It is a highly technical literate workforce with

:57:58.:58:02.

technological and computing skills, and we have to work so all

:58:03.:58:06.

youngsters have access to that. I think you are all agreed on that.

:58:07.:58:08.

Thank you all for joining us today. We have had so many messages coming

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and I'm sorry I cannot read them. One woman said she wishes both of

:58:20.:58:22.

her children had gone to a comprehensive, an interesting

:58:23.:58:28.

message. Keep them coming in. Hashtag Victoria.

:58:29.:58:34.

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