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It's Thursday - it's 9 o'clock, I'm Chloe Tilley, | :00:31. | :00:33. | |
For more than two years, a mother thought her daughter had | :00:34. | :00:37. | |
been cannibalised by a drug addict just out of prison. | :00:38. | :00:40. | |
Paula Yemm says she was let down appallingly by the police | :00:41. | :00:42. | |
We'll hear from the family of Cerys Yemm just after 9:15. | :00:43. | :00:50. | |
Also today - grammar schools should give priority to children | :00:51. | :00:53. | |
That's what education secretary Justine Greening will say later, | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
when she counters claims they're just for the privileged few. | :00:58. | :00:59. | |
That can really give children from ordinary working | :01:00. | :01:01. | |
What we are saying is that we want them to see do a much stronger job | :01:02. | :01:05. | |
And it was the school siege which shocked Russia, and the world. | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
More than a thousand people were taken hostage in Beslan in 2004. | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
A ruling is due today on whether the Russian government | :01:13. | :01:14. | |
We talk to a survivor who was held hostage. | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
She was just eight, and her mother was killed. | :01:19. | :01:20. | |
Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning. | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
Lots for you to get in touch with today. | :01:25. | :01:26. | |
Do you think grammar schools are fair in their selection process? | :01:27. | :01:32. | |
The Government says it wants to make it easier for children from poorer | :01:33. | :01:35. | |
homes to get in let us know your thoughts on that. | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
And we're talking about how things should be divided up in a divorce | :01:40. | :01:42. | |
as celebrities find new ways to hang onto their fortunes. | :01:43. | :01:44. | |
Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning - | :01:45. | :01:51. | |
use the hashtag #VictoriaLive and if you text, you will be charged | :01:52. | :01:53. | |
Our top story: The Education Secretary, | :01:54. | :02:00. | |
Justine Greening, will say today that new grammar schools in England | :02:01. | :02:02. | |
would be "truly open to all", including children from what she'll | :02:03. | :02:04. | |
call "ordinary working families" - and not just the privileged few. | :02:05. | :02:07. | |
But new analysis from the Government shows a majority of selective school | :02:08. | :02:10. | |
Chris Mason is at Westminster and is following the story for us. | :02:11. | :02:18. | |
What exactly is being proposed? In essence, the Government is starting | :02:19. | :02:26. | |
an arms race to try to make the case for grammar schools. The Prime | :02:27. | :02:29. | |
Minister is an advocate for grammar schools, she went to one herself, | :02:30. | :02:33. | |
but she knows Andy Education Secretary knows that there is a lot | :02:34. | :02:36. | |
of persuading to do, not just many in the teaching profession and | :02:37. | :02:42. | |
indeed on Labour's benches, but quite a number of Conservative MPs, | :02:43. | :02:46. | |
too, so they are trying to make the argument that any new set of grammar | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
schools would be different in their outlook and indeed in who they | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
recruited from the current set of grammar schools. But she isn't | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
saying that there would be any kind of quota, or she is not willing to | :03:00. | :03:09. | |
put a number on it. Here is Justine Greening making the case, I spoke to | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
her in the last hour, about why she wants to see an expansion of grammar | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
schools in England. I think we have always recognised the debate. We | :03:19. | :03:27. | |
need to work out where they fit in in a 20th-century education system, | :03:28. | :03:32. | |
we need a stronger role in lifting standards for all systems. We want a | :03:33. | :03:40. | |
new model of grammar schools for those new grammars that will come | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
through in response to local community demand where that is. Lots | :03:45. | :03:50. | |
of people may be relieved to hear the Government not talking about | :03:51. | :03:52. | |
Brexit, but something that actually affect them. I am one of those | :03:53. | :03:59. | |
people relieved, because I spend my entire working life to have the word | :04:00. | :04:06. | |
Brexit tumbling out of my mouth every second, so it is nice to work | :04:07. | :04:09. | |
on a story that doesn't involve leaving the European Union! One of | :04:10. | :04:11. | |
the Government's biggest challenges is juggling the gargantuan task of | :04:12. | :04:18. | |
the UK's departure from the European Union, everything that involves in | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
terms of the negotiations to come in Brussels and with the other 27 heads | :04:23. | :04:28. | |
of state and governments around the European table, all of the | :04:29. | :04:31. | |
legislation has to go through Parliament to enact the Brexit | :04:32. | :04:34. | |
process, and crucially, as you say, getting on with stuff that matters | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
day-to-day in terms of education and the health service and transport and | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
so many other issues. The Ruzza recognition in Government of the | :04:45. | :04:47. | |
inevitability that other stuff will get squeezed in terms of attention | :04:48. | :04:54. | |
span, times, debating space and the scope for legislation. It is | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
something the Prime Minister is very keen on, and so there is clearly a | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
desire to press ahead, but the Government is well aware that they | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
have a persuading job to do. Thank you, Chris Mason at Westminster, and | :05:10. | :05:12. | |
we will be talking about that at great length later on in the | :05:13. | :05:14. | |
programme. Annita McVeigh is in the BBC | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
Newsroom with a summary President Trump has said | :05:20. | :05:22. | |
relations with Russia may be at an all-time low - | :05:23. | :05:29. | |
after his Secretary of State failed to persuade Russia to stop backing | :05:30. | :05:31. | |
President Assad of Syria. Mr Trump also said he believes Nato | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
is "no longer obsolete", reversing a stance that | :05:35. | :05:36. | |
had alarmed allies. From Washington, | :05:37. | :05:38. | |
Laura Bicker reports. Vladimir Putin said this US attack | :05:39. | :05:40. | |
was an act of aggression. But Donald Trump said it was in | :05:41. | :05:43. | |
response to a suspected war crime. The US believes the Syrian President | :05:44. | :05:48. | |
was responsible for using chemical At a press conference alongside | :05:49. | :05:50. | |
the Nato Secretary-General, So I felt we had to do | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
something about it. I have absolutely no doubt we did | :05:56. | :06:05. | |
the right thing, and it was very, very successfully done, | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
as you well know. Earlier, Russia vetoed a UN | :06:10. | :06:15. | |
Security Council resolution that would have compelled | :06:16. | :06:17. | |
the Syrian President to co-operate with an investigation | :06:18. | :06:20. | |
into the attack, a response President Trump described | :06:21. | :06:22. | |
as disappointing. It would be wonderful, | :06:23. | :06:24. | |
as we were discussing just a little while ago, | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
if Nato and our country Right now, we're not getting | :06:29. | :06:30. | |
along with Russia at all. We may be at an all-time low in | :06:31. | :06:41. | |
terms of relationship with Russia. This has built for a | :06:42. | :06:47. | |
long period of time. The US has said relations | :06:48. | :06:49. | |
with Russia must improve, but how? The two countries are on opposing | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
sides in a civil war. A lot may depend on how far | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
Russia will go to defend the Syrian President, | :06:57. | :06:59. | |
and how far the US wants A ruling is due today | :07:00. | :07:01. | |
on whether the Russian government should have done more | :07:02. | :07:12. | |
to prevent the siege More than 330 people died | :07:13. | :07:15. | |
when security forces stormed a school where Chechen separatists | :07:16. | :07:21. | |
had taken more than Survivors and parents | :07:22. | :07:23. | |
who lost children argued at the European Court | :07:24. | :07:28. | |
of Human Rights that Russia failed in its obligation | :07:29. | :07:30. | |
to protect its citizens' lives. Workers on Virgin Trains East Coast | :07:31. | :07:37. | |
are to stage a 48-hour It's because of a row over | :07:38. | :07:39. | |
the role of guards and jobs. said consultation over "widespread | :07:40. | :07:47. | |
on-board changes" has been going on for more than a year, | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
adding that the company had implemented the changes from March | :07:52. | :07:53. | |
with no agreement with the union. The largest nursing union | :07:54. | :07:59. | |
is consulting with its members across the UK on whether they should | :08:00. | :08:02. | |
take industrial action in protest at the government's | :08:03. | :08:04. | |
decision to maintain The Royal College of Nursing claims | :08:05. | :08:06. | |
low wages are contributing to tens of thousands of unfilled posts | :08:07. | :08:10. | |
and unsafe staffing But the Government says the health | :08:11. | :08:12. | |
service offers competitive pay. Our health correspondent | :08:13. | :08:19. | |
Sophie Hutchinson reports. Unprecedented pressure | :08:20. | :08:21. | |
in the NHS means nurses have never worked harder, | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
and for so little, The Royal College of Nursing | :08:26. | :08:27. | |
says due to pay freezes, and then a pay cap, nurses have seen | :08:28. | :08:35. | |
the money they take home cut in real It says that's why it has | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
decided to ask staff whether they would be | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
prepared to strike. 270,000 NHS nurses will be able | :08:45. | :08:47. | |
to vote in the online survey So, most nurses are unhappy | :08:48. | :08:50. | |
with their income. So they're working harder than ever, | :08:51. | :08:56. | |
but there's been years now Some of our nurses are telling us | :08:57. | :08:58. | |
they absolutely love being a nurse, it's a fantastic job, | :08:59. | :09:02. | |
but they just don't think they can The Royal College of Nursing says | :09:03. | :09:04. | |
low pay is driving people away from the profession, | :09:05. | :09:15. | |
and that tens of thousands But the Department of Health said | :09:16. | :09:17. | |
an extra 12,000 nurses have worked on wards since 2010, | :09:18. | :09:23. | |
and that frontline NHS services The families of two more | :09:24. | :09:25. | |
babies who died under the care of Shrewsbury | :09:26. | :09:34. | |
and Telford Hospital Trust are calling for their deaths to be | :09:35. | :09:37. | |
included in the investigation The review of the trust | :09:38. | :09:40. | |
was announced by Jeremy Hunt yesterday following the avoidable | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
deaths of seven babies. Five died following failures | :09:46. | :09:47. | |
to monitor their heart rate The trust says its mortality | :09:48. | :09:49. | |
levels are in line with A BBC investigation has found that | :09:50. | :09:56. | |
construction faults, similar to those which led | :09:57. | :10:02. | |
to the closure of 17 schools in Edinburgh on safety grounds, | :10:03. | :10:05. | |
have been found at 71 other Although most have been repaired, | :10:06. | :10:08. | |
work has yet to be completed The Scottish Futures Trust, | :10:09. | :10:11. | |
which oversees public-private finance projects, says | :10:12. | :10:17. | |
it is reviewing its guidance. Coastal areas in parts | :10:18. | :10:23. | |
of New Zealand's North Island have been evacuated ahead of what's | :10:24. | :10:26. | |
expected to be the most powerful storm to hit | :10:27. | :10:28. | |
the country in 50 years. Tropical storm Cook is forecast | :10:29. | :10:30. | |
to bring more than a-hundred millimetres of rain and winds of up | :10:31. | :10:33. | |
to a-hundred-miles an hour. Some areas are already under | :10:34. | :10:35. | |
a state of emergency. A missing link in the evolution | :10:36. | :10:44. | |
of dinosaurs has been discovered at the National History Museum in | :10:45. | :10:46. | |
London. On discovering a lost fossil, | :10:47. | :10:48. | |
scientists realised it was from an early | :10:49. | :10:53. | |
cousin of the dinosaur. They found that while it had | :10:54. | :10:56. | |
a long neck and tail, it also walked on all fours more | :10:57. | :10:58. | |
like a modern monitor It fills a critical gap | :10:59. | :11:01. | |
in the fossil record and indicates that some dinosaur features evolved | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
much earlier than Police officers were given the run | :11:07. | :11:08. | |
around in London yesterday A pig caused chaos when it escaped | :11:09. | :11:17. | |
and trotted through lunch-time A jogger had to dodge the animal, | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
who seemed to take a liking A police spokesman said the pig | :11:22. | :11:29. | |
was eventually recaptured Or maybe a cyclist, with that | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
clothing! That's a summary of the latest BBC | :11:34. | :11:45. | |
News - more at 9:30. I wondered at one moment if the | :11:46. | :11:51. | |
police officer was going to pull the pig by the tail, and he thought | :11:52. | :11:55. | |
better fit! Lots of you getting in touch with us a background in | :11:56. | :12:03. | |
schools today. Do get in touch. We have had a tweet from Fiona, grammar | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
schools offer those who can no longer afford private school fees, | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
kids for poorer families are not there. | :12:13. | :12:15. | |
Another says most parents will fund coaching to ensure their children | :12:16. | :12:23. | |
pass the entry exam, and how can this help children from poorer | :12:24. | :12:29. | |
households? The system is corrupt. But why not bring the grammar school | :12:30. | :12:32. | |
system to a competency of the EU? Not necessary to move young people | :12:33. | :12:34. | |
out of their environment. Olly, lots of stories around this | :12:35. | :12:37. | |
week's Champions League matches. It sounds a little patronising, | :12:38. | :12:48. | |
doesn't it? It does, you are right! | :12:49. | :12:55. | |
They did really well. So many people thought that they were going to come | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
unstuck playing Atletico Madrid last night. They only lost 1-0 in the | :13:00. | :13:05. | |
first leg of their quarterfinal. Remember this is a new territory for | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
Leicester City, they have never gone this far in European competition. | :13:10. | :13:19. | |
Antoine Griezmann won a penalty, but Marc Albrighton said straightaway it | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
was outside the box. It certainly was, look at that. It really | :13:24. | :13:29. | |
shouldn't have been a penalty. When video technology is phased in, those | :13:30. | :13:35. | |
kind of decisions will not be made. Grisman took the penalty himself, so | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
just 1- 02 Atletico Madrid, third in La Liga,, so all to play for. We | :13:41. | :13:49. | |
know it will be a difficult return match, and we have a very good home | :13:50. | :13:57. | |
record at the King Power, our fans enjoy these nights. Of course we | :13:58. | :14:04. | |
have to create more chances. Remember they turned around a first | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
leg deficit in the last round, was against Sevilla, so we will see next | :14:09. | :14:19. | |
week at the King Power. And the fan disturbances, we them | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
last night? I must admit my heart sank when | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
video popped up on social media, Spanish riot police disperse in | :14:30. | :14:32. | |
Leicester fans on the eve of the match, and also match day it self in | :14:33. | :14:38. | |
the lead up to the game. At least eight arrests were made, a few minor | :14:39. | :14:43. | |
injuries, and Gary Lineker a former Leicester player who was there on | :14:44. | :14:46. | |
broadcast duties, he tweeted he had seen the footage of some Leicester | :14:47. | :14:51. | |
fans behaving despicably in Madrid, a few idiots ruin it for the decent | :14:52. | :14:56. | |
majority. A lot of them interviewed afterwards, the fans caught up in | :14:57. | :14:59. | |
it, said that the police had been heavy-handed. We have heard that | :15:00. | :15:04. | |
before as well. But the club will be speaking to Leicestershire police | :15:05. | :15:07. | |
who were in Madrid, as is normal with high-profile away matches, and | :15:08. | :15:12. | |
some of the club's stewards who were shepherding the fans in the city, | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
before deciding whether or not they will make an official complaint, but | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
very ugly indeed some of those pictures. | :15:21. | :15:26. | |
And Borussia Dortmund, just 24 hours after their bus was attacked they | :15:27. | :15:28. | |
were back on the field, but their manager wasn't happy? | :15:29. | :15:32. | |
They were supposed to play on Tuesday and their coach came under | :15:33. | :15:36. | |
that an attack, three explosions going off on the way to the game on | :15:37. | :15:40. | |
Tuesday. Uefa decided to postpone the match for 24 hours. They played | :15:41. | :15:44. | |
the match last night, and Dortmund manager said that they were not | :15:45. | :15:49. | |
really consulted as a team about whether they were ready to play the | :15:50. | :15:52. | |
match mentally or physically. The blasts on the way to the match on | :15:53. | :15:56. | |
Tuesday saw windows blown out of their courage, and one of their | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
players was hospitalised. A great reception for the team last night | :16:02. | :16:06. | |
before kick-off in this they think hastily arranged fixture. They wore | :16:07. | :16:10. | |
T-shirts in support of their team-mate who needed an operation on | :16:11. | :16:16. | |
a broken wrist. They said it was as if Uefa felt that it was just a year | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
can that had been thrown at the result. Uefa said they were in touch | :16:21. | :16:23. | |
with all parties and never received any information to suggest that nine | :16:24. | :16:29. | |
of the teams wanted to play. The Dortmund player gave a powerful | :16:30. | :16:32. | |
interview afterwards saying how traumatised he was by the incident, | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
and he says he will never forget the look on the players' faces as the | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
bomb went off. German World Cup winner Matthaus called Uefa's | :16:41. | :16:46. | |
decision in conference a ball and irresponsible as well. In light of | :16:47. | :16:52. | |
this, perhaps it is no surprise that Monaco won 3-2 on the night. This | :16:53. | :16:57. | |
proved to be the matchwinner, and they will take that lead back to | :16:58. | :17:00. | |
Monaco next week. Not a great night to German football round, because | :17:01. | :17:05. | |
Bayern Munich also lost their first leg against Real Madrid, Cristiano | :17:06. | :17:07. | |
Ronaldo scored a couple. Now let me bring you this news just | :17:08. | :17:19. | |
reaching us. The European Court of Human Rights has ruled the Russian | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
Government should have done more to prevent the Beslan school massacre. | :17:24. | :17:30. | |
Our reporter can bring us up to date with this as it is breaking now. | :17:31. | :17:35. | |
Olga, can you tell us more about this ruling today? Yes, a ruling by | :17:36. | :17:42. | |
the European Court of Human Rights. The ruling that the victims in total | :17:43. | :17:46. | |
would get 3 million euros compensation, but it is very | :17:47. | :17:51. | |
important, a significant decision, because basically the European Court | :17:52. | :17:54. | |
of Human Rights was their last hope because none of the Russian courts | :17:55. | :17:57. | |
have ever held any Russian officials responsible for the tragedy which | :17:58. | :18:07. | |
happened in Beslan. And relatives of the victims have told the BBC that | :18:08. | :18:10. | |
the European Court of Human Rights was their last hope and they wanted | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
to bring this tragedy back to life, and they also want officials to | :18:15. | :18:21. | |
learn from their mistakes, the mistakes in that tragedy, and they | :18:22. | :18:26. | |
want to see some of the officials responsible for the tragedy which | :18:27. | :18:29. | |
happened, and the European Court of Human Rights underlined that | :18:30. | :18:33. | |
officials had enough information and would have been able to prevent this | :18:34. | :18:36. | |
tragedy from happening, but unfortunately this has not been | :18:37. | :18:39. | |
done. Does this mean the Russian government now has to do, what, | :18:40. | :18:46. | |
investigate? Theoretically, yes, however there have been a number of | :18:47. | :18:56. | |
investigations over the past 30 years -- 13 years, but no one was | :18:57. | :19:00. | |
ever held responsible. A number of policemen were under trial but those | :19:01. | :19:07. | |
cases never came to an end. One of the Chechens was arrested and | :19:08. | :19:13. | |
accused but many relatives of the victims believe he was actually just | :19:14. | :19:20. | |
one of the many who were supposed to be arrested and go on trial. The | :19:21. | :19:27. | |
relatives at least hoped this would bring the tragedy to light again | :19:28. | :19:31. | |
because Russian officials and the Russian state was trying its best | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
not to bring those tragic days to light again because it raises many | :19:37. | :19:43. | |
questions. Olga from Moscow, thank you for speaking to us. We will | :19:44. | :19:46. | |
speak about this more after ten o'clock, when we speak to a girl who | :19:47. | :19:50. | |
was actually held inside that school, just eight years old at the | :19:51. | :19:53. | |
time, and she will speak to us after ten o'clock. | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
On 6th November 2014, a young woman - Cerys Yemm - was murdered | :19:59. | :20:01. | |
by Matthew Williams, a man with mental health and drug | :20:02. | :20:03. | |
abuse issues who had been released from prison two weeks earlier. | :20:04. | :20:06. | |
The case hit the headlines when it was wrongly dubbed | :20:07. | :20:08. | |
the "cannibal" killing, because the owner of the hostel | :20:09. | :20:11. | |
where it happened believed she'd seen Williams eating | :20:12. | :20:13. | |
Whilst this later proved to be untrue, Cerys' family say | :20:14. | :20:16. | |
they were devastated to hear of the claims through social media | :20:17. | :20:19. | |
and waited two and a half years to discover the truth. | :20:20. | :20:25. | |
Williams died after being Tasered by police, but now the inquest | :20:26. | :20:27. | |
into Cery's death has finally concluded and her family believe | :20:28. | :20:30. | |
that if it wasn't for failings in the support and supervision | :20:31. | :20:32. | |
he receveived after leaving prison, she would still be alive. | :20:33. | :20:41. | |
Go was quirky, beautiful -- Cerys was quirky, beautiful, and she had | :20:42. | :20:51. | |
out quite a difficult few years. She had been in a relationship where | :20:52. | :20:54. | |
there was domestic violence, but she was at the point where she was | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
getting things back on track. She had come back home. She was looking | :21:00. | :21:06. | |
to retrain to go into nursing and she was back to her old self, you | :21:07. | :21:12. | |
know, happy, doing lots of nice things with Shannon and her brother. | :21:13. | :21:21. | |
She spent hours upstairs in the bedroom reading, and she would be so | :21:22. | :21:28. | |
quiet in the evenings. She didn't go out and socialise an awful lot, and | :21:29. | :21:32. | |
certainly not up until the few weeks before the 6th of November, but she | :21:33. | :21:40. | |
had made a new friend and had started to go out a bit more, eat a | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
bit more food, and I did see a change at that point, when she was | :21:46. | :21:52. | |
not coming home when she said she would do, being a bit more | :21:53. | :21:55. | |
secretive, and I was a bit worried at that point. But we would sit down | :21:56. | :22:00. | |
and have talks and she would say, no, ma'am, I am going to get things | :22:01. | :22:06. | |
back on track, do this, do that, and we thought she would have done what | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
she wanted to. What about you, Shannon. What are your memories of | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
your sister? We had some lovely times, went out and played, her | :22:16. | :22:20. | |
birthday. She really did adore me, thought a lot of me, and she always | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
stuck up for me and was there for me. She always wanted to be with me, | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
didn't she? Yes, she would do anything for anyone. That day, the | :22:31. | :22:35. | |
6th of November 20 14. When did you first find out what had happened to | :22:36. | :22:43. | |
Cerys? It was in the early hours of the 6th of November. I had got up | :22:44. | :22:49. | |
and gone to work as normal. And then... The phone came and they | :22:50. | :22:59. | |
said, the police are in the reception for you. Which was unusual | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
was my job. I went through and I said to them, oh, is it about a | :23:05. | :23:10. | |
certain person I was working with? They said, no, it's not, and at that | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
point I just knew. And I don't know why, because I had been worried | :23:16. | :23:19. | |
about Shannon. She had just passed her test, and I was worried about | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
her driving the car, nights in the dark, bad weather, but I just said, | :23:25. | :23:33. | |
it is Cerys, isn't it? And a sort of nodded -- the nodded. | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
They began to tell me then and I refused to listen, and it did then | :23:39. | :24:01. | |
is a blah really from then on. That was when our nightmare began -- it | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
was a blur from then on. You then had to tell your family, had to tell | :24:07. | :24:10. | |
Shannon. I wanted to tell them myself. And I had gone to my mother, | :24:11. | :24:27. | |
to her house, and I said I needed to get hold of Shannon at that point, | :24:28. | :24:34. | |
and I think Shannon had called my mum, because she had seen things on | :24:35. | :24:38. | |
Facebook and then people were calling her and saying, Shannon, I | :24:39. | :24:41. | |
hope this isn't true, so then I spoke to Shannon and she said, oh, | :24:42. | :24:48. | |
mum, is this true? So, Shannon, you actually found out from social | :24:49. | :24:54. | |
media? Yes, on Facebook. I had people messaging me, because I had | :24:55. | :24:58. | |
already seen posts obviously that there had been a murder in Argoed, | :24:59. | :25:02. | |
then I had people messaging me on the stack, people asking me if it | :25:03. | :25:06. | |
was true, is it your sister? Then I had to drive home from Cardiff, | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
after getting a Facebook message, and mum was obviously Ryan, couldn't | :25:12. | :25:15. | |
tell me, couldn't speak on the phone and I said, mum, tell me, please, | :25:16. | :25:20. | |
and obviously there was traffic from Cardiff so I was sitting in the car | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
crying, thinking, it is not true, is it? And obviously I had tried to | :25:26. | :25:30. | |
ring Cerys, but I didn't get an answer, but at the time I didn't | :25:31. | :25:33. | |
think it was weird because I didn't get an answer from my brother | :25:34. | :25:38. | |
either, so I thought neither of them were answering... What does that do | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
to you as a family, coming to terms with such a horrific event, but you | :25:44. | :25:47. | |
finding out through social media rather than through the police or | :25:48. | :25:55. | |
from your mum? It just changes your life, really. Everything is changed. | :25:56. | :26:01. | |
Just horrible. You obviously want to hear from the police or your family | :26:02. | :26:05. | |
to get some sort of comfort, but obviously I was in Cardiff and had a | :26:06. | :26:12. | |
Facebook message. Then I had to go and tell my dad with the police. | :26:13. | :26:20. | |
It's hard. What about the issue that many of the tabloid media picked up | :26:21. | :26:26. | |
on about the nature of Cerys's death? Many of them labelling it a | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
cannibal attack, and something that for a long time you thought was the | :26:32. | :26:40. | |
case, but it wasn't? No. Again, we found out off social media, me and | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
my brother having woken up a couple of mournings after and it had been a | :26:45. | :26:49. | |
story on Facebook that people were sharing -- couple of mornings after, | :26:50. | :26:56. | |
but there is only so long you can keep things like that from somebody, | :26:57. | :27:01. | |
because it was everywhere. That is how it is remembered... I think... I | :27:02. | :27:10. | |
was sleeping a lot of the time, in and out of sleep and different | :27:11. | :27:14. | |
things, but I think I woke up about four o'clock, five o'clock in the | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
morning, had gone downstairs, and my sister was staying on the city at | :27:19. | :27:21. | |
that point, and I walked into the living room and I saw her picture | :27:22. | :27:27. | |
and those headlines -- staying on the setee at that point. I | :27:28. | :27:35. | |
couldn't... You cannot describe it. I mean, just the fact of losing her | :27:36. | :27:43. | |
in a horrific way anyway, but seeing those headlines about your child, I | :27:44. | :27:50. | |
still can't comprehend it today. And it was two and a half years before | :27:51. | :27:53. | |
you found out that wasn't what had happened to her. Without a doubt, | :27:54. | :28:00. | |
yes. At no point where we sat down as a family and told about her | :28:01. | :28:06. | |
injuries in any way. What I was told was initially it was a head injury, | :28:07. | :28:12. | |
then they opened the inquest and I saw again on the news "Sharp force | :28:13. | :28:20. | |
the face and neck," again that is very different to a parent, to me, | :28:21. | :28:27. | |
than a head injury, so I said why is it being reported as this, I ask the | :28:28. | :28:31. | |
police. They said, well, yes, it was, but did not go into any further | :28:32. | :28:37. | |
details at that point, so for the last two and a half years that has | :28:38. | :28:42. | |
been over us as a family, not knowing. Not knowing the | :28:43. | :28:45. | |
circumstances. Just very much in the dark about my child, her sister, | :28:46. | :28:52. | |
about how this came about and exactly what she went through. You | :28:53. | :28:55. | |
spoke to the police about that and they were saying they wanted to | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
limit the information given to you, and as a family you said you wanted | :29:01. | :29:03. | |
limited information about what had happened to Cerys. We did address | :29:04. | :29:11. | |
that with the police. If you can imagine, as I just said, the | :29:12. | :29:15. | |
horrific circumstances, those headlines, very early on I was... I | :29:16. | :29:23. | |
did put up the shutters, I didn't want to know. But obviously as the | :29:24. | :29:27. | |
weeks, the days, the months go on, of course I wanted to know things. | :29:28. | :29:35. | |
And I made that very clear. Yet, repeatedly, after that they would | :29:36. | :29:38. | |
say, well, you didn't want to know things. I didn't feel there was | :29:39. | :29:47. | |
any... A lack of compassion and understanding, and empathy, for our | :29:48. | :29:53. | |
position. And for Cerys, as my daughter. The police said the delay | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
in telling you about her death was because they wanted to send an | :29:58. | :30:02. | |
officer who knew you professionally to ease with that incredibly | :30:03. | :30:04. | |
difficult conversation. Did that help you? It wasn't an officer I | :30:05. | :30:13. | |
knew, it wasn't. Still today, given the events, why they would wait for | :30:14. | :30:20. | |
an officer to come on officer who knew me? Surely, the priority would | :30:21. | :30:28. | |
be to tell me as soon as they could. Before it was on social media, | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
before my family and my daughter, my son, before they saw it, surely the | :30:33. | :30:36. | |
priority would have been to have told me as soon as possible? I don't | :30:37. | :30:42. | |
know. At the inquest, which you have mentioned, into the death of your | :30:43. | :30:47. | |
daughter, the mother of Matthew Williams, who killed Cerys, said | :30:48. | :30:52. | |
that he needed help, he had been released from prison just a couple | :30:53. | :30:56. | |
of weeks earlier, he had severe mental health issues, he wasn't | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
getting support, and there was a failure within the system. Is that | :31:00. | :31:01. | |
how you see it? In regards to the mental health, it | :31:02. | :31:14. | |
was firmly conveyed by a psychiatrist that he didn't have a | :31:15. | :31:17. | |
diagnosis of schizophrenia. What he did have was drug induced psychosis. | :31:18. | :31:26. | |
Undoubtably he did have poor mental health as a result of his lifestyle | :31:27. | :31:33. | |
and drug use. Yes, they are adamant that they tried to get him support | :31:34. | :31:40. | |
and help and the report says he wanted it and didn't get that help. | :31:41. | :31:47. | |
Certainly from my point of view, he did have poor mental health, but in | :31:48. | :31:56. | |
regard to that, his drug use, prolific offending history, he had | :31:57. | :32:01. | |
no rehabilitation, there was no updated risk assessment before his | :32:02. | :32:06. | |
release. And he even asked to move to a different area to go and live | :32:07. | :32:10. | |
with his dad so that he could be away from the drugs scene and start | :32:11. | :32:14. | |
afresh, but ultimately he was placed back in the area where he had lived | :32:15. | :32:21. | |
previously. Yes, the other local authority basically refused on the | :32:22. | :32:27. | |
basis that his family could provide accurate information that there was | :32:28. | :32:33. | |
a link to that area. But they should have given him priority and | :32:34. | :32:37. | |
considered him in that area, but they didn't, they sent him straight | :32:38. | :32:50. | |
back to Caerphilly. Nobody was told about the risks. So is that what you | :32:51. | :32:58. | |
want to change, to come out of Cerys's death, better communication | :32:59. | :33:00. | |
between agencies to prevent another family going through what you have | :33:01. | :33:06. | |
been going through? Well, some communication! He was released, he | :33:07. | :33:09. | |
had served his sentence, no monitoring on him. And he had told | :33:10. | :33:19. | |
people that that was what he wanted, he was going to commit crimes, he | :33:20. | :33:23. | |
had written letters saying so. And those had not been acted upon. | :33:24. | :33:28. | |
Shannon, your mum has mentioned your brother. Just give us a sense of | :33:29. | :33:33. | |
what this has done to you as a young woman, the effect it has had on you | :33:34. | :33:38. | |
and your brother. It's just horrible. You are anxious and | :33:39. | :33:47. | |
nervous. I struggled sleeping for a while, I had nightmares. It is just | :33:48. | :33:55. | |
horrible. Every day is different, and you worry every day and think | :33:56. | :33:58. | |
people are looking at you, and you can't get it out of your head, you | :33:59. | :34:02. | |
are fat ever missing somebody, missing something, and I know from | :34:03. | :34:06. | |
my brother, he has really struggled and suffered badly with depression, | :34:07. | :34:13. | |
he has lost his hair. My brother doesn't cope very well, he doesn't | :34:14. | :34:18. | |
talk, and we were offered counselling at the very beginning, | :34:19. | :34:23. | |
and that was shut the, they said, just go to your GP. And my brother | :34:24. | :34:27. | |
would just turn up at the GP and say, I need to talk to somebody. So | :34:28. | :34:34. | |
I think... It has ruined our lives, the lack of support. That is the | :34:35. | :34:43. | |
family of Cerys Yemm speaking to be a little earlier. | :34:44. | :34:47. | |
Still to come, as footballer Ryan Giggs divorces his wife Stacey, | :34:48. | :34:50. | |
he's told a judge he made "a special contribution" to their wealth | :34:51. | :34:53. | |
and claims he shouldn't have to pay as much. | :34:54. | :34:55. | |
But, when a marriage breaks down, should the financial assets be | :34:56. | :34:57. | |
And Leicester may have lost to Atletico Madrid | :34:58. | :35:03. | |
But they haven't given up yet. We will be getting post-match analysis | :35:04. | :35:11. | |
from fans in Leicester and those still in Madrid. But first, it is | :35:12. | :35:23. | |
9:35am. All of the news with Annita. Good morning. A ruling has said that | :35:24. | :35:34. | |
Russian officials should have done more to prevent the siege of | :35:35. | :35:35. | |
schooling bezel and in 2004. More than 330 people, | :35:36. | :35:39. | |
died when security forces stormed a school where Chechen separatists | :35:40. | :35:42. | |
had taken more than The court said that police should | :35:43. | :35:50. | |
have done more to protect people when the building was stormed. More | :35:51. | :35:53. | |
than ?2 million in compensation is to be awarded. | :35:54. | :35:57. | |
Children from ordinary working families will be central | :35:58. | :35:59. | |
to the government's new generation of grammar schools. | :36:00. | :36:01. | |
The Education Secretary, Justine Greening, will say today | :36:02. | :36:03. | |
that grammar schools in England will be truly open to everyone -- | :36:04. | :36:06. | |
not just the privileged few and giving priority | :36:07. | :36:07. | |
But a new analysis from the Government shows a majority | :36:08. | :36:13. | |
of selective school places go to more affluent families. | :36:14. | :36:18. | |
President Trump has said relations with Russia may | :36:19. | :36:20. | |
be at an all-time low, after the Kremlin refused to stop | :36:21. | :36:23. | |
Speaking at a news conference in Washington, Mr Trump said America | :36:24. | :36:27. | |
had been right to fire missiles at a Syrian airbase | :36:28. | :36:29. | |
in response to a chemical weapons attack last week. | :36:30. | :36:31. | |
Mr Trump also said he believes Nato is "no longer obsolete", | :36:32. | :36:34. | |
reversing a stance that had alarmed allies. | :36:35. | :36:45. | |
The mother of a young woman who was murdered in 2014 has told | :36:46. | :36:48. | |
this programme she felt the police dealing with the case failed to show | :36:49. | :36:51. | |
22-year-old Cerys Yemm was killed at a hostel in November 2014. | :36:52. | :36:56. | |
An inquest jury ruled Miss Yemm was unlawfully killed. | :36:57. | :37:01. | |
Paula Yemm is upset that the family only found out | :37:02. | :37:04. | |
the true details of Cerys' murder from the inquest, rather | :37:05. | :37:06. | |
A lack of compassion and understanding and empathy | :37:07. | :37:12. | |
for our position and for Cerys, my daughter. | :37:13. | :37:23. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at ten. | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
Thank you, Annita. Lots of you getting in touch with us about the | :37:28. | :37:35. | |
grammar schools story. An anonymous text says, my daughter goes to the | :37:36. | :37:39. | |
local grammar school, I am definitely working class and a | :37:40. | :37:43. | |
single parent. After passing the 11 plus admission, it is decided by the | :37:44. | :37:46. | |
county council criteria, local children go first. Kate says, both | :37:47. | :37:51. | |
our children attended grammar school, we are in ordinary family, | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
not wealthy or privileged. We did over private tuition, but cut back | :37:56. | :37:58. | |
on other spending to do so. Mike says, both of our daughters attended | :37:59. | :38:06. | |
grammar school, we are ordinary. It is a matter of priorities. Less | :38:07. | :38:14. | |
McDonald's will easily cover the cost of tuition, says Mike. And | :38:15. | :38:26. | |
Louise says the grammar schools where I live have been secured by | :38:27. | :38:29. | |
months or years of private tutoring, nothing to do with natural ability | :38:30. | :38:31. | |
or background, just the ability or willingness to pay. Get in touch | :38:32. | :38:33. | |
with that or anything else on the programme. Let's get all the sport | :38:34. | :38:36. | |
now with Ollie. Here are the headlines. Leicester | :38:37. | :38:41. | |
City will have to overturn a 1-0 deficit in the Champions League | :38:42. | :38:43. | |
quarterfinal against Atletico Madrid. The Spaniards were wrongly | :38:44. | :38:46. | |
awarded a penalty which Antoine Griezmann scored. The second leg at | :38:47. | :38:53. | |
the King Power Stadium is next night. Dortmund manager says they | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
should never have played their quarterfinal so soon after the bomb | :38:58. | :39:00. | |
attack on the team coach, postponed by less than 24-hour is. They lost | :39:01. | :39:05. | |
their first leg tie to Monaco 3-2. On the short list is at the PFA | :39:06. | :39:15. | |
Player of the Year awards. Chelsea's Kante is among the candidates. I | :39:16. | :39:18. | |
will be back with a full update shortly after ten. | :39:19. | :39:26. | |
Now, when a marriage breaks down should the financial assets be | :39:27. | :39:29. | |
A multimillionaire Banca has been told to hand over half of his | :39:30. | :39:38. | |
fortune to his ex-wife. Randy Work had argued | :39:39. | :39:43. | |
he was a "financial genius" - but the Appeal Court | :39:44. | :39:46. | |
ruled his ex-wife Mandy Gray had made a "different" but "important" | :39:47. | :39:48. | |
contribution to their marriage. There are concerns that | :39:49. | :39:50. | |
if Ryan Giggs wins his case that it Will it send a message to stay | :39:51. | :39:59. | |
at home mums that their roles Let's talk to Amy Harris, | :40:00. | :40:02. | |
who is a family lawyer The CEO of the Women's Resource | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
Centre, Vivienne Hayes. And Goranka Gudelj, | :40:07. | :40:10. | |
who divorced her husband What exactly does "special | :40:11. | :40:12. | |
contribution" mean? We are not entirely sure, it is a | :40:13. | :40:18. | |
difficult concept, and very difficult for people to argue | :40:19. | :40:19. | |
whether they should be given special treatment in a divorce settlement | :40:20. | :40:21. | |
because they have earned a lot of money. The cases we have had show it | :40:22. | :40:25. | |
is a difficult argument to run. It is difficult for people to be | :40:26. | :40:27. | |
successful making that argument. Do many people come to you and say they | :40:28. | :40:29. | |
want to but that in? Contribution is put into account, but needs will | :40:30. | :40:34. | |
take priority over contribution, so it will only be in very exceptional | :40:35. | :40:40. | |
cases where a special contribution will be taken into account. In your | :40:41. | :40:43. | |
divorce settlement, you got just under 50%, didn't you? But | :40:44. | :40:46. | |
nonetheless had a huge impact on your lifestyle and how you could | :40:47. | :40:52. | |
live? Yes, it enabled my daughters and me to continue to deal with to | :40:53. | :40:59. | |
start with with the divorce, but it didn't last long. My ex-husband paid | :41:00. | :41:05. | |
it for only five months, and then just arbitrarily stop the payments, | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
but at this point, I had no more money to continue to pay the | :41:11. | :41:13. | |
lawyers, so I have fought my own case in court as an applicant in | :41:14. | :41:19. | |
person for the last six years. So when you hear these very wealthy | :41:20. | :41:25. | |
men, often men, it doesn't always have to be men, often wealthy men | :41:26. | :41:29. | |
saying, I went out to work, I did the hard work, I earned the cash, it | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
shouldn't go 50/50, why do you think? A homemaker's role as an | :41:34. | :41:41. | |
unpaid role. I have worked, I was just not paid for it. I supported my | :41:42. | :41:47. | |
husband in all of his decisions when it came to his career. We have a | :41:48. | :41:53. | |
disabled daughter who needs my support to this day. Both of the | :41:54. | :42:00. | |
children, we invested a lot of time, and it was our joint decision for me | :42:01. | :42:07. | |
to stay at home. I never meant to stay at home, I had a career before | :42:08. | :42:11. | |
marriage, it was never my intention to be a stay at home mum, it just | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
happened once our daughter was diagnosed, we made a decision that I | :42:16. | :42:20. | |
should put my time into her and the family. And I did so. And as a | :42:21. | :42:26. | |
matter of fact, at least twice, my husband got promotions and was told | :42:27. | :42:32. | |
by his bosses that the promotion was due to the fact that he had a solid | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
marriage, that his mind could concentrate on the business and an | :42:37. | :42:45. | |
work, and he didn't have to care, and he would always introduce me to | :42:46. | :42:51. | |
his bosses, and always with pride as somebody that they appreciated, too. | :42:52. | :42:56. | |
Vyvyan, what sort of message does this send out to mothers? As we | :42:57. | :43:01. | |
heard there, but I have got lots of friends who would love to go to work | :43:02. | :43:04. | |
but we have small children, husbands work longer hours, and it is not | :43:05. | :43:09. | |
financially viable. Any marriage is based on teamwork. And the | :43:10. | :43:17. | |
contributions made by the different parties may be different, but to | :43:18. | :43:24. | |
undervalue unpaid work is unacceptable, and actually, within | :43:25. | :43:32. | |
with their unpaid work contribute billions in their work to this day, | :43:33. | :43:38. | |
and also to husbands. Without her there at home, her husband would not | :43:39. | :43:44. | |
have had the career that he had. And so it is a team effort, and it | :43:45. | :43:47. | |
should be recognised as such. In ordinary cases, not in the | :43:48. | :43:49. | |
super-rich, is that generally recognised? I think it is, | :43:50. | :43:54. | |
contribution is taken into account and not just financial | :43:55. | :43:57. | |
contributions, but contribution to family welfare. The courts in the | :43:58. | :44:01. | |
cases that we have seen recently have made it clear we shouldn't | :44:02. | :44:05. | |
discriminate against the homemaker. Their role in most cases will be | :44:06. | :44:09. | |
equal to the role of the financial and as well. So it is difficult for | :44:10. | :44:15. | |
the gentlemen typically to argue that they have made unacceptable | :44:16. | :44:19. | |
attribution, and that should be taken into account, because in most | :44:20. | :44:24. | |
cases it won't be, it will be regarded as equal to the role of the | :44:25. | :44:28. | |
homemaker. But the super-rich might say, if your husband is worth | :44:29. | :44:30. | |
hundreds of millions of pounds, does it matter if you get less than half? | :44:31. | :44:34. | |
You are still getting an obscene amount of money that surely you can | :44:35. | :44:39. | |
live on? I think it is the principal, because when decisions | :44:40. | :44:43. | |
are made in courts, they can set a precedent, and if we look at it like | :44:44. | :44:46. | |
that and women receive less because it is millions anyway, what happens | :44:47. | :44:51. | |
to ordinary working-class families if those kind of decisions of the | :44:52. | :44:55. | |
direction of travel, those women are going to lose out. I believe it was | :44:56. | :45:02. | |
last year, even two years ago, two very wealthy women managed to obtain | :45:03. | :45:09. | |
permission to go back in time and claim the money is that their | :45:10. | :45:13. | |
husbands had withheld information on, from the Government and from | :45:14. | :45:17. | |
them and from the courts, and that was a really good precedent. I | :45:18. | :45:20. | |
remember in the press it was reported as women who, they have so | :45:21. | :45:28. | |
much, and really, was 40 million not enough? On the idea was, these women | :45:29. | :45:35. | |
actually went out, spent money, they are to gain this right for all the | :45:36. | :45:41. | |
within across-the-board so that even I can go back now in time if I find | :45:42. | :45:47. | |
that my husband had withheld information and say, you withheld | :45:48. | :45:51. | |
information at that point. So how far should this go? If a woman has | :45:52. | :45:56. | |
the children living with her after a divorce and has to take a low paid | :45:57. | :46:00. | |
jobs that she could be there for picking up from school or whatever | :46:01. | :46:03. | |
should be. Should she then received more than half of the husband's Inca | :46:04. | :46:11. | |
because they are struggling and have the kids with them? I think it | :46:12. | :46:25. | |
should be viewed upon the merits in the courts, and what impact will be | :46:26. | :46:28. | |
on the mother and children, because we want to see a fair deal for when | :46:29. | :46:34. | |
an across-the-board. And just to reflect, the legal position needs to | :46:35. | :46:38. | |
take priority in all cases, needs to take priority over contribution. If | :46:39. | :46:42. | |
someone needs more than 50% for that reason that should be reflected in | :46:43. | :46:46. | |
the financial settlement. Thank you all for coming in. | :46:47. | :46:48. | |
It was the school siege which shocked the world. | :46:49. | :46:51. | |
More than 1000 people were taken hostage in Beslan in 2004. | :46:52. | :46:57. | |
We'll hear from a survivor who was held hostage aged eight, | :46:58. | :47:00. | |
Now, they may have lost 1-0 to Atletico Madrid last night but that | :47:01. | :47:11. | |
European adventure is far from over for Leicester City, as they took | :47:12. | :47:16. | |
over the dominant Spanish club in the first leg of their quarterfinal | :47:17. | :47:19. | |
in the Champions League. They are the only side in the competition... | :47:20. | :47:28. | |
-- They're the only remaining English side in the competition | :47:29. | :47:30. | |
after Arsenal and Manchester City were both knocked out previously. | :47:31. | :47:32. | |
On this programme, particularly last season as they stormed | :47:33. | :47:34. | |
to the Premier League title, we followed superfans | :47:35. | :47:36. | |
They were both in Madrid last night, and here's what they got up to. | :47:37. | :47:41. | |
An amazing atmosphere here. Everybody is having a fantastic | :47:42. | :47:47. | |
time. Well, somewhere in among all the crowd, the actual owners of | :47:48. | :47:51. | |
Leicester City have turned up to meet the fans. I just love being a | :47:52. | :48:00. | |
Leicester City supporter. We have arrived at the ground and are in | :48:01. | :48:05. | |
need of refreshment, and I think we've come to the wrong bar... We | :48:06. | :48:10. | |
are the only people with blue shirts on, but it was Big Ann's fault, led | :48:11. | :48:20. | |
us astray again, and people are amazed we have gone to the way bar | :48:21. | :48:28. | |
to get a segment. So many people here, look at older people here to | :48:29. | :48:31. | |
see Leicester in the Champions League! We just had a load of | :48:32. | :48:36. | |
Atletico Madrid supporters come up to us, asking, photo, photo, photo! | :48:37. | :48:43. | |
Everyone is so lovely. Hello! They all just want for De Graafs, bits | :48:44. | :48:49. | |
and bobs, and you don't get this in our country, I tell you exactly all | :48:50. | :48:54. | |
just want photographeds. The matches coming up and we are absolutely | :48:55. | :49:00. | |
buzzing. Such an amazing feeling to think Leicester City, are little | :49:01. | :49:04. | |
club, is now on the main stage and everybody knows who we are. We are | :49:05. | :49:10. | |
of the Foxes, King Power, we are Leicester City. And I said at last | :49:11. | :49:14. | |
year. Things can't get better. But you know what, days like this, when | :49:15. | :49:18. | |
you are in another country, and people know your team, know your | :49:19. | :49:23. | |
players, nor your backroom staff, it is absolutely fantastic. Buzzing for | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
begin tonight and hopefully we will see Leicester City at least get | :49:28. | :49:30. | |
something under their belt ready for the replay that is coming at the | :49:31. | :49:34. | |
King Power Stadium in a week's time. Final thoughts for today? I think it | :49:35. | :49:40. | |
is quite exciting and, you know, I just think we need to keep pushing | :49:41. | :49:44. | |
forward. I think we need to be proud of what we achieved the night. We | :49:45. | :49:49. | |
had some very bad decisions go against us but you know what? We are | :49:50. | :49:53. | |
Leicester City and we have the home leg coming up next at the King Power | :49:54. | :49:57. | |
Stadium, next Tuesday, and we can continue to make our fairy tale. | :49:58. | :50:01. | |
Come on, you Foxes! LAUGHTER | :50:02. | :50:05. | |
Let's talk to Gary and Sandra now - they're already back in the UK. | :50:06. | :50:09. | |
We are having some connection problems with Sandra but we have | :50:10. | :50:16. | |
Gary here. But also we've got Richard Austin | :50:17. | :50:17. | |
and Kieron O'Gorman You all the pretty happy. I will | :50:18. | :50:25. | |
start with Richard, you're still living the dream in Madrid? Under | :50:26. | :50:32. | |
the parasol there? Looking forward to the next leg, yes. Am I right in | :50:33. | :50:38. | |
thinking you were sitting amongst the Atletico Madrid fans last night? | :50:39. | :50:50. | |
We were, yes. Had the tickets for their, and it was a great | :50:51. | :50:53. | |
atmosphere. You say it was a great atmosphere but when that penalty was | :50:54. | :50:56. | |
awarded that should not have been a penalty, did you have to cheer with | :50:57. | :51:08. | |
everybody else? Obviously, you know, it was that decision but we took it | :51:09. | :51:12. | |
as it was. Kieron, how was the game for you? Buenos dias. | :51:13. | :51:20. | |
LAUGHTER How was the game for you? Very good. | :51:21. | :51:26. | |
Can you hear me? Yes, the game was amazing, fantastic atmosphere, shame | :51:27. | :51:32. | |
about the result. Did you feel that Leicester did enough? I was looking | :51:33. | :51:35. | |
at the statistics today and it is not unlike Leicester, 60% possession | :51:36. | :51:41. | |
for Atletico Madrid, and I know Leicester like the fast break, but | :51:42. | :51:45. | |
do you feel happy with the way the team played? -- 68% possession. I | :51:46. | :51:50. | |
thought it was quite an average outfit, to be honest. Seville looked | :51:51. | :51:57. | |
like a battle team. We have the result, ticket back to the King | :51:58. | :52:02. | |
Power and we will win 2-0. Before we speak about going back to the King | :52:03. | :52:05. | |
Power I would like to ask both of you and Richard. We were speaking | :52:06. | :52:09. | |
earlier on the Olly Foster about the trouble, never anything we like to | :52:10. | :52:13. | |
talk about. But it did happen last night. Did either of you witness | :52:14. | :52:18. | |
anything, Kieron? Yes, unfortunately, like you see, it did | :52:19. | :52:24. | |
occur. We were at the front line, I suppose, and thankfully managed to | :52:25. | :52:28. | |
get away. It wasn't nice. There was a lot of innocent people hit by the | :52:29. | :52:33. | |
police by batons, cheers being thrown, so, yes, it put a bit of a | :52:34. | :52:36. | |
dampener on the day but thankfully it got rectified and we carried on | :52:37. | :52:42. | |
with our lives. From what you have seen, did you feel there were a few | :52:43. | :52:47. | |
troublemakers there? That the police overreacted? What was your sense? | :52:48. | :52:52. | |
Unfortunately with something like football, and English football, when | :52:53. | :52:57. | |
you go away, it takes one or perhaps two idiots to aggravate the | :52:58. | :53:02. | |
situation, however it did get blown way out of proportion. And the | :53:03. | :53:08. | |
police did take far. How about you, Richard? Did you see anything? Yes, | :53:09. | :53:13. | |
we were in the square and there were a lot of people in there. I guess | :53:14. | :53:19. | |
the way things started off, there was a smoke bomb, something to that | :53:20. | :53:26. | |
effect, and when that happens the police started moving forward, like | :53:27. | :53:28. | |
moving forward, and at that point we thought we should move out of here, | :53:29. | :53:32. | |
so we on, started exiting the square. A lot more police were | :53:33. | :53:39. | |
coming in about them. It did look like it was a group of Leicester | :53:40. | :53:44. | |
fans stepping forward, confronting the police, so obviously not helping | :53:45. | :53:48. | |
the situation. I want to bring in Gary Hooper is waiting patiently | :53:49. | :53:52. | |
there in his Leicester City top. You are back home now. Your thoughts on | :53:53. | :53:57. | |
the game? I thought it was a really great evening again for Leicester | :53:58. | :54:00. | |
City, very frustrating at times, maybe, but we have to remember we | :54:01. | :54:07. | |
are only halfway through the fixture and it is two legs. It is only 1-0 | :54:08. | :54:12. | |
to Atletico Madrid, and when we get back to our King Power Stadium, as I | :54:13. | :54:16. | |
have said many times on this programme, that is a fortress, and | :54:17. | :54:20. | |
it is a stadium where the whole of Leicester come together and they are | :54:21. | :54:27. | |
going to bring the fight back, you know, the Leicester, to England, to | :54:28. | :54:30. | |
try to turn it around like we did in the last round. It is interesting | :54:31. | :54:34. | |
you say that about the King Power Stadium. I was listening to the BBC | :54:35. | :54:38. | |
commentator yesterday, and he was saying he feels there will be more | :54:39. | :54:44. | |
of a threat from Atletico Madrid at the King Power. He does not think it | :54:45. | :54:49. | |
is that fortress. What I would say to him is to come and experience one | :54:50. | :54:54. | |
of our fixtures at the King Power. Everyone, 30,000 people, you know, | :54:55. | :55:00. | |
the atmosphere around the stadium is electric. And it is not just, you | :55:01. | :55:04. | |
know, the fans of Leicester that come together. It is this city, and | :55:05. | :55:08. | |
some people would say it is even the world coming together, because | :55:09. | :55:11. | |
people want Leicester City, a bit like the fairy tale from last year, | :55:12. | :55:15. | |
they want to see someone to keep progressing who is different in this | :55:16. | :55:18. | |
competition. We heard it from the fans last night in Atletico Madrid, | :55:19. | :55:24. | |
their fans saying it is so lovely to have a different team is playing up | :55:25. | :55:28. | |
against us. You are a credit to football. And it is just amazing to | :55:29. | :55:33. | |
hear that about our club. Well, your club, they managed to beat Seville | :55:34. | :55:38. | |
and turned that deficit around. What are you thinking, Kieron? Do you | :55:39. | :55:41. | |
think the same can happen this time and you can actually get to a | :55:42. | :55:46. | |
Champions League semifinal? They are the dream would be what I think! -- | :55:47. | :55:58. | |
Dare to dream. I think we lined up better than Atletico, and like Gary | :55:59. | :56:04. | |
said, at the King Power I think we can win, with the crowd on the boys' | :56:05. | :56:09. | |
backs, who knows what can happen? Gary, one final quick question. You | :56:10. | :56:12. | |
have been to every Leicester away game in Europe. How much have you | :56:13. | :56:16. | |
spent? That's a nice question! We think we've worked it out but it is | :56:17. | :56:21. | |
at least over a ?1000. You know, some people may say that is stupid. | :56:22. | :56:32. | |
Some people may say it is a ridiculous amount to spend on | :56:33. | :56:35. | |
football, but you know what. And I say this... It is never going to | :56:36. | :56:38. | |
happen again, but it could do if we go and win the Champions League. We | :56:39. | :56:41. | |
would be here again next year! You could be in the semifinal at this | :56:42. | :56:44. | |
rate! Best of luck. All of you, thank you for speaking to us. | :56:45. | :56:46. | |
Let's get the latest weather update with Carol Kirkwood. | :56:47. | :56:48. | |
Good morning. If there's chilly start has made you think of holidays | :56:49. | :56:56. | |
further afield, this is what you can expect. Look at that, Madrid, | :56:57. | :57:04. | |
Tenerife, 25 degrees and towards Athens, 22 degrees. Quite a lot of | :57:05. | :57:07. | |
sunshine and some showers over in the east. 7-9 in the north-east | :57:08. | :57:12. | |
again with some showers. If you are hoping to take a dip in the | :57:13. | :57:16. | |
Mediterranean in the West, the sea temperature is currently about 17, | :57:17. | :57:20. | |
and in the east Mediterranean around about 18, but by the end in the east | :57:21. | :57:25. | |
it will be more like 26 Celsius in the sea, like a bath. Back on our | :57:26. | :57:31. | |
shores today, though, and East- West split to start. After a nice sunny | :57:32. | :57:35. | |
start in the east the cloud already in the West will drift over | :57:36. | :57:38. | |
eastwards and we will see some showers, patchy rain across parts of | :57:39. | :57:45. | |
Scotland and Northern Ireland, but moving south we hang onto those | :57:46. | :57:48. | |
sunny breaks, not just through this morning but in the afternoon. You | :57:49. | :57:51. | |
will find areas of cloud then the sun, then it will cloud over again. | :57:52. | :57:54. | |
Temperatures up to 13 Celsius in London, roughly where we should be | :57:55. | :57:58. | |
at this stage of the year. But we're finding in the sunshine it claims up | :57:59. | :58:01. | |
to about 16. Northwards into northern England, through the | :58:02. | :58:04. | |
Midlands, again a fair bit of cloud around and one or two showers. | :58:05. | :58:08. | |
Eastern Scotland seeing some breaks but the showers in the West will | :58:09. | :58:12. | |
continue to drift towards the east and in Northern Ireland, similar | :58:13. | :58:16. | |
story. A fair bit of cloud around, one of two brighter breaks, hanging | :58:17. | :58:20. | |
onto some patchy rain and showers. Four Wales, looking to dry up and | :58:21. | :58:24. | |
although we will hang onto a lot of cloud, some brighter spells. | :58:25. | :58:27. | |
Overnight and through the evening, two fronts coming our way. They are | :58:28. | :58:34. | |
looking to bring in some rain moving southwards and ahead of them both | :58:35. | :58:37. | |
the cloud will continue to build, the temperatures are very similar to | :58:38. | :58:41. | |
the night just gone, except for in the Highlands where we see some | :58:42. | :58:45. | |
clearer skies and it will feel cold. Tomorrow, we start off with both | :58:46. | :58:50. | |
fronts. For a time it will pep up producing some rain, again | :58:51. | :58:53. | |
continuing the descent southwards. Still some brightness in the far | :58:54. | :58:57. | |
south and behind them, for Scotland and Northern Ireland, some sunshine | :58:58. | :59:00. | |
and also some showers. Temperature... Look at that! 63 | :59:01. | :59:08. | |
Fahrenheit. Then moving on in the East Bay and Saturday as well, there | :59:09. | :59:12. | |
will be a lot of settled weather around and we will also see some | :59:13. | :59:19. | |
sunshine -- Easter day. For Easter Monday as well, a lot of dry weather | :59:20. | :59:23. | |
around but they also have some fronts coming in from the west that | :59:24. | :59:27. | |
could well produce some rain, so all in all it is looking not like a | :59:28. | :59:33. | |
wash-out or write off this coming Easter weekend. And pollen | :59:34. | :59:36. | |
allergies, we are looking at levels being moderate across most of | :59:37. | :59:41. | |
England, Wales and Northern Ireland, low across the far north of England | :59:42. | :59:44. | |
and also Scotland. Whatever you're doing, have a Easter. | :59:45. | :59:51. | |
It's Thursday, it's ten o'clock, I'm Chloe Tilley. | :59:52. | :59:54. | |
It was the school siege which shocked the world. | :59:55. | :59:58. | |
More than a thousand people taken hostage in Beslan in 2004 | :59:59. | :00:00. | |
Today the European Court of Human Rights has found Russia | :00:01. | :00:06. | |
guilty of serious failings in how it handled the siege. | :00:07. | :00:09. | |
TRANSLATION: We were standing next to the school gates. | :00:10. | :00:18. | |
I saw three people running in with machine guns. | :00:19. | :00:20. | |
At first I thought it was a joke, then they began shooting | :00:21. | :00:23. | |
We'll be speaking to another survivor, | :00:24. | :00:34. | |
who was one of the hostages - she was eight years old at the time. | :00:35. | :00:38. | |
For more than two years, a mother thought her daughter had | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
been cannibalised by a drug addict just out of prison. | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
Paula Yemm says she was let down appallingly by the police | :00:46. | :00:47. | |
He was going to commit crimes, he'd written letters saying | :00:48. | :00:55. | |
so, and those hadn't been acted upon. | :00:56. | :00:57. | |
There was an opportunity there, they could have contained him, | :00:58. | :00:59. | |
You can watch that interview in full at half-past. | :01:00. | :01:11. | |
So how did this woman lose 44 pounds without any exercise? | :01:12. | :01:14. | |
Turns out she'd had cancer - Cosmopolitan magazine in the US come | :01:15. | :01:16. | |
under fire for a tweet many found insensitive and offensive. | :01:17. | :01:22. | |
Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
The European Court of Human Rights has ruled that the Russian | :01:28. | :01:34. | |
government should have done more to prevent the siege | :01:35. | :01:37. | |
More than 330 people died when security forces stormed | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
a school where Chechen separatists had taken more than | :01:42. | :01:43. | |
The court in Strasbourg said more should have done | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
to prevent the hostage taking, and to prevent the large-scale loss | :01:48. | :01:50. | |
of life that followed when the security forces moved in. | :01:51. | :01:52. | |
The court awarded survivors and relatives of victims who'd | :01:53. | :01:59. | |
brought the case more than ?2 million | :02:00. | :02:00. | |
Children from ordinary working families will be central | :02:01. | :02:08. | |
to the Government's new generation of grammar schools. | :02:09. | :02:10. | |
The Education Secretary, Justine Greening, will say today | :02:11. | :02:12. | |
that grammar schools in England will be truly open to everyone - | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
not just the privileged few and giving priority | :02:16. | :02:17. | |
But a new analysis from the Government shows a majority | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
of selective school places go to more affluent families. | :02:22. | :02:23. | |
Justine Greening says they should work for all families. | :02:24. | :02:28. | |
I think we've always recognised the debate, | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
but we do have grammars in our school system already. | :02:34. | :02:36. | |
What we're saying is we need to work out where they fit in in | :02:37. | :02:39. | |
We want to see them playing a stronger role, lifting standards | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
for all children in local communities, not just the ones | :02:44. | :02:45. | |
who get through the school gates into a grammar. | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
And we want a new model of grammar schools, for those new grammars that | :02:51. | :02:54. | |
will come through in response to local community | :02:55. | :02:56. | |
Prosecutors in Germany say they have no evidence that the only suspect | :02:57. | :03:04. | |
they have in custody over the bomb attack against the Borussia Dortmund | :03:05. | :03:06. | |
football team bus was linked to the crime. | :03:07. | :03:10. | |
However, they said they were seeking an arrest warrant to keep | :03:11. | :03:13. | |
the 26-year-old Iraqi national detained, over claims he may | :03:14. | :03:15. | |
allegedly have been a member of so-called Islamic State in Iraq. | :03:16. | :03:23. | |
President Trump has said relations with Russia may | :03:24. | :03:25. | |
be at an all-time low, after the Kremlin refused to stop | :03:26. | :03:28. | |
Speaking at a news conference in Washington, Mr Trump said America | :03:29. | :03:33. | |
had been right to fire missiles at a Syrian airbase | :03:34. | :03:39. | |
in response to a chemical weapons attack last week. | :03:40. | :03:41. | |
Mr Trump also said he believes Nato is "no longer obsolete", | :03:42. | :03:44. | |
reversing a stance that had alarmed allies. | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
The mother of a young woman who was murdered in 2014 has told | :03:50. | :03:52. | |
this programme she felt the police dealing with the case failed to show | :03:53. | :03:55. | |
22-year-old Cerys Yemm was killed at a hostel in November 2014. | :03:56. | :04:00. | |
An inquest jury ruled Miss Yemm was unlawfully killed. | :04:01. | :04:03. | |
Paula Yemm is upset that the family only found out the true details | :04:04. | :04:06. | |
of Cerys' murder from the inquest, rather than from the | :04:07. | :04:09. | |
A lack of compassion and understanding and empathy | :04:10. | :04:17. | |
for our position and for Cerys, my daughter. | :04:18. | :04:19. | |
Workers on Virgin Trains East Coast are to stage a 48-hour | :04:20. | :04:28. | |
It's because of a row over the role of guards and jobs.The RMT union | :04:29. | :04:33. | |
said consultation over "widespread on-board changes" has been | :04:34. | :04:35. | |
going on for more than a year, adding that the company had | :04:36. | :04:38. | |
implemented the changes from March with no agreement with the union. | :04:39. | :04:48. | |
A missing link in the evolution of dinosaurs has been discovered | :04:49. | :04:51. | |
at the National History Museum in London. | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
On discovering a lost fossil, scientists realised | :04:56. | :04:57. | |
it was from an early 'cousin' of the dinosaur. | :04:58. | :04:59. | |
They found that while it had a long neck and tail, | :05:00. | :05:02. | |
it also walked on all fours more like a modern monitor | :05:03. | :05:05. | |
It fills a critical gap in the fossil record and indicates | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
that some dinosaur features evolved much earlier than | :05:10. | :05:11. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30. | :05:12. | :05:22. | |
In around 40 minutes, we will be talking about grammar schools. Lots | :05:23. | :05:29. | |
of e-mails and texts coming from you this morning. Judith says I came | :05:30. | :05:32. | |
from a working-class background and went to a grammar school because I | :05:33. | :05:35. | |
passed the 11 plus with no extra coaching. I don't understand all the | :05:36. | :05:41. | |
fuss that is being made. Many of my friends went to the adjoining | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
secondary modern and we all had to pay for uniforms and school trips. | :05:46. | :05:47. | |
The only difference was the curriculum was tailored to suit our | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
needs and abilities, but what is wrong with encouraging each and | :05:53. | :05:55. | |
every child to do their best? Surely it is better to aim high? It is | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
perfectly possible for late developers to be switched to a more | :06:00. | :06:02. | |
demanding curriculum with or without changing school. Do keep in touch | :06:03. | :06:09. | |
with us this morning. Here's some sport now | :06:10. | :06:14. | |
with Olly Foster. They did it in the last round, | :06:15. | :06:15. | |
so Leicester City will be optimistic of overturning a one goal | :06:16. | :06:22. | |
Champions League deficit again. They lost 1-0 in Madrid | :06:23. | :06:24. | |
against Atletico in the first leg It was a first half penalty that | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
should never have been awarded. It was definitely a foul | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
on Antoine Griezmann, but Marc Albrighton pointed straight | :06:34. | :06:35. | |
away to the referee His protests fell on deaf ears, but | :06:36. | :06:37. | |
it was definitely outside. We know it's still going to be | :06:38. | :06:51. | |
difficult return match. We have a very good home | :06:52. | :06:57. | |
record at the King Power. You know, our fans enjoy these | :06:58. | :06:59. | |
Champions League nights. We have to make sure that, | :07:00. | :07:01. | |
of course, we need to be... The club are going to speak | :07:02. | :07:04. | |
to Leicestershire police and stewards who were monitoring | :07:05. | :07:19. | |
their fans in the city centre about the clashes | :07:20. | :07:21. | |
with Spanish police. At least eight fans were arrested | :07:22. | :07:23. | |
with some due to appear in a Madrid court today, | :07:24. | :07:25. | |
but many of the supporters felt that the police had | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
been "heavy-handed." It was very heavy-handed from the | :07:29. | :07:37. | |
police, it was an all or nothing approach, they painted everyone with | :07:38. | :07:40. | |
the same brush to say everyone was guilty of violence, when in actual | :07:41. | :07:46. | |
fact it was only a minority in an isolated area of the square. But | :07:47. | :07:48. | |
they chose to act upon everyone. The Borussia Dortmund manager | :07:49. | :07:51. | |
Thomas Tuchel doesn't think that their Champions League | :07:52. | :07:53. | |
quarter-final against Monaco should have been played last night, less | :07:54. | :07:55. | |
than 24 hours after a bomb-attack The original tie was postponed | :07:56. | :07:58. | |
after three bomb blasts damaged their bus and saw one | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
of their players, Marc Bartra, They wore T-shirts | :08:03. | :08:04. | |
in his honour last night. Tuchel said it was if Uefa felt | :08:05. | :08:13. | |
that it was merely a "beer can" that had been thrown at the bus, | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
and they weren't consulted. Uefa say they "never received any | :08:18. | :08:19. | |
information which suggested that any The German World Cup winner | :08:20. | :08:22. | |
Lothar Matteus has called Uefa's decision incomprehensible | :08:23. | :08:28. | |
and irresponsible. In light of that, perhaps it's no | :08:29. | :08:36. | |
surprise that Monaco won 3-2 on the night - | :08:37. | :08:38. | |
Kylian Mbappe scored twice and take The shortlist is out for the PFA | :08:39. | :08:41. | |
Player of the Year awards, One of Leicester City's unsung | :08:42. | :08:51. | |
heroes when they won the title last N'Golo Kante has since joined | :08:52. | :08:54. | |
Cheslea, and he has Also on the list is fellow Blue, | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
Eden Hazard, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Harry Kane, Romelu Lukaku | :08:59. | :09:02. | |
and Alexis Sanchez. Go to the BBC Sport website | :09:03. | :09:05. | |
for the Young Players list and also the shortlists for | :09:06. | :09:08. | |
the women's awards. That's all for now. I will be back | :09:09. | :09:15. | |
with the headlines in half an hour. Shocking images of half naked | :09:16. | :09:25. | |
children, trapped in their school. It was 13 years ago now - | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
a hostage situation in the town Chechen militants took more | :09:31. | :09:32. | |
than 1000 people captive. They'd wired the school | :09:33. | :09:36. | |
with bombs and mines. It was the first day of term, | :09:37. | :09:38. | |
when children put on their best Three days later, after they'd | :09:39. | :09:40. | |
been kept in the school gym without food or water, | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
hundreds were dead, The brutality of the attackers | :09:45. | :09:47. | |
and the images of bloodied and traumatised children | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
shocked the world. But so did the indiscriminate | :09:52. | :09:53. | |
violence meted out by the Russians as they stormed the school to bring | :09:54. | :09:55. | |
the siege to an end. And now the survivors of the horror | :09:56. | :09:57. | |
and their families want justice. They took their case | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
to the European Court of Human Rights which this morning | :10:02. | :10:03. | |
ruled that there were "serious failings" in the way the Russian | :10:04. | :10:06. | |
state handled the affair. In a moment we'll talk | :10:07. | :10:08. | |
to the lawyers who brought the case, and a woman | :10:09. | :10:11. | |
who was an eight-year-old pupil But first let's remind ourselves | :10:12. | :10:13. | |
of those terrible events It was the first day of term | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
in school number one in Beslan. In Russia there are no | :10:19. | :10:28. | |
classes when pupils come back from the summer, | :10:29. | :10:31. | |
it's supposed to be a day of celebration and catching up | :10:32. | :10:33. | |
with friends, but rebels stormed the school and forced | :10:34. | :10:35. | |
more than 1100 children, parents and teachers | :10:36. | :10:38. | |
into a small gym. They wanted Russian troops to leave | :10:39. | :10:41. | |
the nearby republic of Chechnya. TRANSLATION: We were standing next | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
to the school gates. I saw three people running | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
in with machine guns. At first I thought it was a joke, | :10:50. | :10:51. | |
then they began shooting This was the start of a siege that | :10:52. | :10:54. | |
went on for 52 hours. It was cramped and swelteringly hot | :10:55. | :11:06. | |
in the gym, with no food or drink. There were bombs taped | :11:07. | :11:10. | |
to the wall and hanging from Older pupils were forced to attach | :11:11. | :11:12. | |
explosives to the basketball hoops and children were forced to stand | :11:13. | :11:16. | |
near the windows as human shields. A few children, like this | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
little girl, did manage to But as negotiations went on, | :11:21. | :11:22. | |
other relatives were left waiting Terrified every time | :11:23. | :11:30. | |
they heard gunfire. Hundreds of Russian security forces | :11:31. | :11:38. | |
surrounded the school, and on the third day | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
they stormed the building. Explosives | :11:44. | :11:46. | |
and gunfire rang out. There was no sign of medical | :11:47. | :11:48. | |
teams or ambulances. The attackers shot some | :11:49. | :11:50. | |
of the children in the back as they ran for freedom, | :11:51. | :11:52. | |
but others were carried out, weak, Some relatives fought to get | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
through the security cordon to find out what was happening | :11:56. | :12:03. | |
to their loved ones. 331 people died, 186 | :12:04. | :12:06. | |
of them were children. but many families and victims blame | :12:07. | :12:16. | |
authorities, partly for not doing enough to prevent the attack, | :12:17. | :12:22. | |
but also for the botched rescue It's come out that security | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
forces fired tanks and Only one of the attackers was found | :12:26. | :12:28. | |
alive, a Chechen carpenter. He is serving a life sentence. | :12:29. | :12:39. | |
Authorities were cleared of any wrongdoing. For 13 years, families | :12:40. | :12:43. | |
and hostages have fought that decision. They could be awarded | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
compensation, but most say it is more about establishing | :12:48. | :12:48. | |
responsibility. Well, let's cross live now | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
to our correspondent What reaction are we getting from | :12:54. | :13:00. | |
the authorities to this ruling? There is no official reaction from | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
Moscow or any authorities, and I guess it won't come from while, | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
because they really need careful wording of their response. But this | :13:10. | :13:16. | |
ruling is not coming as a surprise from Russian officials, because the | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
arguments put by the relatives of those who died in Beslan were | :13:21. | :13:26. | |
strong, and it was quite expected that the European Court of Human | :13:27. | :13:28. | |
Rights would rule in their favour. So now there are again a lot of | :13:29. | :13:34. | |
questions, really serious questions, which address back to the Russian | :13:35. | :13:37. | |
government, and if they start speaking of this, start reacting, | :13:38. | :13:43. | |
questions will start again, and I would like to say that none of the | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
Russian officials were held responsible for this tragedy, and | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
the European Court of Human Rights was the last hope for mothers of the | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
victims to put this tragedy back to the light again and to try to find | :13:57. | :14:02. | |
answers to their questions. Thank you, Olga Ivshina speaking to from | :14:03. | :14:04. | |
Moscow. Joining us from St Petersberg | :14:05. | :14:07. | |
is Zarina Dzampaeva who was eight years old and at the school | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
in Beslan with her mother and sister In the studio is Jessica Gavron - | :14:12. | :14:14. | |
a human rights lawyer who has supported the Beslan survivors' | :14:15. | :14:22. | |
case. And in Moscow is Kirill Koroteev, | :14:23. | :14:25. | |
the victims' lawyer. Thank you all for joining us. | :14:26. | :14:34. | |
Zarina, what is your reaction to the verdict? How are you feeling right | :14:35. | :14:35. | |
now? I am concerned that I'm not sure | :14:36. | :14:45. | |
that we are against the country at all, the whole country, we are | :14:46. | :14:52. | |
against the fact that still guilty people are not punished, and we | :14:53. | :14:59. | |
can't say that guilty people are punished already. So as for me, | :15:00. | :15:09. | |
extra measures should be taken to investigate it, because still nobody | :15:10. | :15:15. | |
is responsible for that, and this is very... It makes us feel nervous | :15:16. | :15:24. | |
about the situation. So I think the court is quite right about Russia, | :15:25. | :15:33. | |
and it should be ruled so that Russia would take some measures. | :15:34. | :15:40. | |
Zarina, tell us what you remember about that day. I was too young to | :15:41. | :15:46. | |
remember something from that, but still, I remember some moments. I | :15:47. | :15:55. | |
remember when we were there, there was a total lack of water, so we | :15:56. | :16:03. | |
wanted to drink so, so much, and I remember when somebody said to me | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
from that, I was drinking water so much that others try to stop me, | :16:09. | :16:13. | |
because it was unhealthy to do that, and I remember somebody was killed | :16:14. | :16:26. | |
by terrorists, and that was a great... It impressed me so much, I | :16:27. | :16:30. | |
think at the time I understood that I am in a bad situation. But I was | :16:31. | :16:39. | |
too young, so maybe I didn't even understand at first that I was in | :16:40. | :16:40. | |
that situation. I would like to bring in Jessica if | :16:41. | :16:50. | |
I can. Is it clear what the Russian government new ahead of this attack? | :16:51. | :16:54. | |
There have been claims and concerns that the warnings had been there | :16:55. | :16:59. | |
before hand? Yes, it is clear I think unclear from the court's | :17:00. | :17:05. | |
ruling that the Russian government had a substantial amount of | :17:06. | :17:08. | |
information in its hand prior to the attack. They knew a group of | :17:09. | :17:12. | |
terrorists was training in a particular region, that they were | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
targeting the Day of Knowledge, the first day of September, the | :17:17. | :17:19. | |
beginning of the school year at all schools in Russia, a day of | :17:20. | :17:24. | |
celebrations with families at the school, and they knew it was an | :17:25. | :17:26. | |
educational establishment. They knew the scale of the attack. They did | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
not what exactly which school but from the area they could surmise | :17:31. | :17:33. | |
which schools were likely to be targets. So, Kirill, if the Russian | :17:34. | :17:43. | |
government was aware of this threat, why was the ending of the siege so | :17:44. | :17:50. | |
badly handled? Well, I think the court has quite rightly described | :17:51. | :17:56. | |
what happened with the conduct of the security operation as disorder. | :17:57. | :18:07. | |
It is impressive that for example those who were in charge of rescuing | :18:08. | :18:17. | |
the refugees, the emergency situations Ministry, they were not | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
given the exact number of hostages by the security officers, and the | :18:23. | :18:30. | |
victims and the public in general has been complaining that the exact | :18:31. | :18:38. | |
number of hostages has never been given, that it was never given until | :18:39. | :18:42. | |
everything was over, but it is also impressive that it has never been | :18:43. | :18:51. | |
communicated for example within the structure of the bodies in charge of | :18:52. | :18:59. | |
the security operations. So the court again was very critical of | :19:00. | :19:04. | |
decision-making to use heavy weaponry against the school... Let's | :19:05. | :19:10. | |
talk about that. For people who are not familiar with the heavy | :19:11. | :19:16. | |
weaponry, Jessica, they were using flame-throwers, tanks... It was a | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
huge military response, knowing that the thousand people including many | :19:21. | :19:22. | |
hundreds of children were inside that school. Has it ever been made | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
clear why those decisions were made? No, and that... We argued the | :19:28. | :19:33. | |
government has never given an adequate explanation. The situation | :19:34. | :19:36. | |
was that I think it was so chaotic that once you have the military | :19:37. | :19:40. | |
involved there are very few constraints on the military in the | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
legislation in Russia, and they just went in too hard. Flame-throwers for | :19:45. | :19:50. | |
instance are a military grade weapon for the battlefield, for demolishing | :19:51. | :19:53. | |
military installations. They create a huge pressure wave, the crush | :19:54. | :19:59. | |
people. It is a devastating instrument to use and is totally | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
indiscriminate by its very nature. Likewise, tanks. If you're firing on | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
a school full of hostages, and like your report showed these were | :20:09. | :20:12. | |
vulnerable children, over 800 children who had not had food and | :20:13. | :20:15. | |
water for three days, they were very weak. So it was a totally | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
disproportionate response, and I am glad to see the court has held that, | :20:20. | :20:26. | |
and I think the applicants and victims of the Beslan siege will be | :20:27. | :20:29. | |
glad as well, because their main concern is the failure to prevent | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
the attack, as you rightly pointed out, there was a lot of information | :20:34. | :20:37. | |
about that, and the use of these disproportionate weapons that only | :20:38. | :20:40. | |
increased the danger of the hostages, where of course the | :20:41. | :20:43. | |
state's obligation in a situation like this is to try to take all | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
measures possible to minimise the risk of loss of life. Zarina, what | :20:48. | :20:55. | |
impact has the siege had on Beslan as a community? Can you hear me, | :20:56. | :21:06. | |
Zarina? Yes. I just wondered what impact the siege at the school had | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
on Beslan as a community. Has it ever been able to recover? Firstly I | :21:11. | :21:16. | |
would like to say that there is no one family in or did not... Do it | :21:17. | :21:25. | |
has not impacted on, the terrorism act. -- no one family who has not | :21:26. | :21:31. | |
felt the impact of the terrorist act. We as a community, the Beslan | :21:32. | :21:35. | |
community, we became more close to each other because there were | :21:36. | :21:47. | |
serious problems, and that is why we became very close to each other. Of | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
course it has had a huge impact on our school. Do you think this | :21:54. | :22:00. | |
judgment will help people move on? Or do they need more? To move on, | :22:01. | :22:09. | |
you mean people who were damage there? You said every family was | :22:10. | :22:15. | |
impacted in Beslan, so having this European Court of Human Rights | :22:16. | :22:18. | |
ruling that the Russian government made mistakes, does that help people | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
to move on with their lives, or do they need to see the people held to | :22:24. | :22:29. | |
account? Can I firstly say something? Me and my family, I can't | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
talk about us. We are sure that there is no... Our country is | :22:34. | :22:42. | |
guilty, sure, because terrorism is an international problem so I think | :22:43. | :22:47. | |
no one country is more guilty in such case, so I think it is more the | :22:48. | :23:00. | |
responsibility of our local authority, so the government of our | :23:01. | :23:03. | |
republic should be responsible for more than the Government of Russia. | :23:04. | :23:09. | |
Kirill, I want you to come in and speak a little bit about | :23:10. | :23:13. | |
compensation. Part of the ruling was over ?2 million in compensation, I | :23:14. | :23:16. | |
understand, to those families who brought the case? I have yet to have | :23:17. | :23:27. | |
the total figure but I would say the awards, when taken by applicants, | :23:28. | :23:33. | |
individual applicants,... The court explicitly says it has taken into | :23:34. | :23:40. | |
account previous payments made by the Russian government. But given | :23:41. | :23:45. | |
there are over 400 applicants, the total figure is nevertheless | :23:46. | :23:53. | |
impressive. So what is justice for the families you represent? I don't | :23:54. | :24:02. | |
think that any sum of money is able to compensate for the loss, and the | :24:03. | :24:10. | |
court is also right in indicating the number of specific measures that | :24:11. | :24:15. | |
need to be done by the Russian authorities concerning | :24:16. | :24:17. | |
investigation, concerning disclosure of documents, concerning also | :24:18. | :24:23. | |
importantly public recognition of state responsibility for this. And | :24:24. | :24:32. | |
such measures are never ever unfortunately implemented by the | :24:33. | :24:40. | |
Russian government. There is experience of dozens of cases where | :24:41. | :24:43. | |
fresh investigations were required and never conducted. So there is a | :24:44. | :24:54. | |
lot still to be done beyond payment of compensation. Then those | :24:55. | :25:05. | |
responsible are brought to justice, even this will be just another point | :25:06. | :25:17. | |
on the way towards justice which also includes comprehensive | :25:18. | :25:24. | |
assessment of the facts, and access to all relevant evidence that has | :25:25. | :25:31. | |
been withheld from the victims since the very beginning of the | :25:32. | :25:34. | |
investigation. Simply, they want the truth, and no one can blame them for | :25:35. | :25:39. | |
that. Kirill, thank you for speaking the us, and also to Zarina and | :25:40. | :25:41. | |
Jessica as well. Grammar schools - they're | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
controversial and not Today the Education Secretary | :25:46. | :26:09. | |
hopes to change that, as she sets out plans | :26:10. | :26:12. | |
for a new generation of these schools - | :26:13. | :26:14. | |
but will they get full marks The US version of the women's | :26:15. | :26:17. | |
magazine Cosmopolitan has caused upset on social media after it | :26:18. | :26:20. | |
tweeted about a woman it said had lost weight | :26:21. | :26:23. | |
without doing any exercise. The story it linked to explained | :26:24. | :26:24. | |
that the woman had had cancer. Although it went on to make clear | :26:25. | :26:27. | |
that she had lost the weight through healthy eating, | :26:28. | :26:30. | |
many people have criticised the magazine, accusing it | :26:31. | :26:32. | |
of insensitively handling the story We can speak now to Nadia Mendoza, | :26:33. | :26:34. | |
a showbizz reporter at the Daily Star and co-founder | :26:35. | :26:38. | |
of The Self Esteem Team, which does talks with | :26:39. | :26:40. | |
teenagers about body image. And in Salford is Lydia Brain, | :26:41. | :26:43. | |
who is a 24-year-old Thank you both for taking the time | :26:44. | :26:48. | |
out to speed to us today. Nadia, I will start speaking to you first. | :26:49. | :26:51. | |
You are a journalist, a showbiz journalist. Probably not a lot | :26:52. | :26:53. | |
shocks you. Did this tactic shock you? I would say I am not easily | :26:54. | :26:56. | |
shocked, but on this occasion I was. I would say that there is a line | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
that we toe and it was crossed on this occasion. They might well have | :27:01. | :27:06. | |
said "How to get a beach body... Get cancer." Being slim, it is one | :27:07. | :27:16. | |
beauty ideal we have, and if cancer becomes aspirational, where do we go | :27:17. | :27:19. | |
from there? Will HIV be trendy so you can fit into your wedding dress? | :27:20. | :27:24. | |
It is madness, crossing the line, for me. What about you, Lydia? I was | :27:25. | :27:31. | |
really shocked and I already had quite a negative view about how the | :27:32. | :27:36. | |
media portrays women, but that was quite an extreme example. You have | :27:37. | :27:39. | |
had a difficult experience with the media. Tell us your story and your | :27:40. | :27:48. | |
experience, if you would? I am into pole fitness and have been for a | :27:49. | :27:51. | |
long time and I was very aware the media might jump on this with my | :27:52. | :27:56. | |
story, and I tried to manage that, and one tabloid newspaper found a | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
photograph of me doing pole and I was in a sports bra and shorts, and | :28:01. | :28:06. | |
they put it up without consent, and that is quite heavily regulated, so | :28:07. | :28:10. | |
that was a bit of a shock, because I didn't really want my body or my | :28:11. | :28:14. | |
hobbies to be used to sensationalise my story or detract from the | :28:15. | :28:20. | |
meaning, which it did. Particularly when you are fighting Cancer right | :28:21. | :28:27. | |
now? Yes. I will be doing so for several years. I have cancer | :28:28. | :28:32. | |
chronically, and that was the first time I had been open about it and | :28:33. | :28:36. | |
got in touch with the media, so for the first day, to be aware that that | :28:37. | :28:42. | |
was used incorrectly, it was quite a shock. I think it is worth pointing | :28:43. | :28:47. | |
out that this article, which was in US Cosmopolitan, the article itself | :28:48. | :28:50. | |
was very clear about what had happened to this woman, but it was | :28:51. | :28:56. | |
that tweet and I guess that is the problem with Twitter, or social | :28:57. | :29:00. | |
media. Are we daft enough to click on it? Is apparently our fault? It | :29:01. | :29:05. | |
is about click bait, at the end of the day. Yes, and for me this tweet | :29:06. | :29:09. | |
opens a wider debate about why we are still drawn to these shock | :29:10. | :29:13. | |
factor stories and click bait pictures, as you say. I know from my | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
experience as an editor, if I write at story about Angelina Jolie's | :29:19. | :29:23. | |
philanthropy, it will not get any clicks, but if I write about someone | :29:24. | :29:27. | |
from Jordan sure having a shock body transformation, it could be the | :29:28. | :29:29. | |
story of the day. What we do is educate students in schools on | :29:30. | :29:34. | |
self-esteem, mental health, social media etc and CV should be | :29:35. | :29:39. | |
responsible for what they are clicking online. Each click is like | :29:40. | :29:42. | |
a vote to the editor saying you want more of that content, so, yes, I do | :29:43. | :29:48. | |
believe Cosmopolitan US were wrong in this instance but it is about | :29:49. | :29:52. | |
taking responsibility and we all have to take responsibility for our | :29:53. | :29:57. | |
digital footprint. Lydia, I can see you are nodding. Yes, I think we do, | :29:58. | :30:02. | |
slightly. I am kind of shocked because the story is quite shocking | :30:03. | :30:08. | |
already, that a headline about her weight loss is actually more click | :30:09. | :30:12. | |
bait than her illness and some of the stuff she had suffered through, | :30:13. | :30:15. | |
because I would see that as being more shocking and more click bait, | :30:16. | :30:20. | |
if I was an editor, so that just kind of shows some of the issues we | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
have in society at the moment. I have to ask you as you are here, | :30:25. | :30:29. | |
Nadia, people may well be shouting at the TV, saying if you are working | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
at the Daily Star is showbiz journalist, how can you also be | :30:34. | :30:36. | |
working with girls and self-esteem issues? Your paper is full of women | :30:37. | :30:40. | |
scantily clad and fitting the image that we are all told we should look | :30:41. | :30:48. | |
like. How do you that? Firstly with my job at the Daily Star we cover a | :30:49. | :30:52. | |
very diverse group of people, so we would cover the naturally slender, | :30:53. | :30:59. | |
Victoria's Secret Angels, but also all the glorious shapes and sizes on | :31:00. | :31:03. | |
the middle, we do not just focus on one ideal. When we go into schools, | :31:04. | :31:07. | |
like I say, we educate people on the choices they make online. And the | :31:08. | :31:12. | |
choices they make in terms of who they follow, for example if your | :31:13. | :31:19. | |
Instagram feed is full of fitness models, people making you depressed | :31:20. | :31:22. | |
or worrying about your weight, we say stop following them. You are | :31:23. | :31:28. | |
entitled to choose the wallpaper of your world. But it is easier said | :31:29. | :31:31. | |
than done when you are a teenage girl. Thank you both for speaking to | :31:32. | :31:34. | |
us today, Nadia and Lydia. We did ask Cosmopolitan | :31:35. | :31:36. | |
for an interview and statement "Ordinary working families shouldn't | :31:37. | :31:38. | |
have to make do when it comes to their children's education" - | :31:39. | :31:49. | |
that's the message from the Education Secretary as she sets | :31:50. | :31:50. | |
out plans for a new generation on Grammar schools - | :31:51. | :31:53. | |
it's got you talking and we'll be 22-year-old Cerys Yemm was murdered, | :31:54. | :32:07. | |
and her mother says the police dealing with the case failed to show | :32:08. | :32:10. | |
the family compassion. We will hear from her and Cerys's sister, | :32:11. | :32:14. | |
Shannon. First, it is 10.30 two. With the news here's Annita | :32:15. | :32:22. | |
in the BBC Newsroom. The European Court of Human Rights | :32:23. | :32:24. | |
has ruled that the Russian government should have done more | :32:25. | :32:36. | |
to prevent the siege More than 330 people died | :32:37. | :32:38. | |
when security forces stormed a school where Chechen separatists | :32:39. | :32:42. | |
had taken more than The court in Strasbourg said | :32:43. | :32:44. | |
more should have done to prevent the hostage taking, | :32:45. | :32:48. | |
and to prevent the large-scale loss of life that followed | :32:49. | :32:50. | |
when the security forces moved in. The court awarded survivors | :32:51. | :32:53. | |
and relatives of victims who'd brought the case | :32:54. | :32:55. | |
more than ?2 million Children from ordinary working | :32:56. | :32:58. | |
families will be central to the Government's new generation | :32:59. | :33:02. | |
of grammar schools. The Education Secretary, | :33:03. | :33:04. | |
Justine Greening, will say today that grammar schools in England | :33:05. | :33:06. | |
will be truly open to everyone - not just the privileged | :33:07. | :33:08. | |
few and giving priority But a new analysis from | :33:09. | :33:11. | |
the Government shows a majority of selective school places go | :33:12. | :33:16. | |
to more affluent families. Prosecutors in Germany say they have | :33:17. | :33:18. | |
no evidence that the only suspect they have in custody over the bomb | :33:19. | :33:21. | |
attack against the Borussia Dortmund football team bus was linked | :33:22. | :33:24. | |
to the crime. However, they said they were seeking | :33:25. | :33:27. | |
an arrest warrant to keep the 26-year-old Iraqi national | :33:28. | :33:30. | |
detained, over claims he may allegedly have been a member | :33:31. | :33:32. | |
of so-called Islamic State in Iraq. President Trump has said | :33:33. | :33:40. | |
relations with Russia may be at an all-time low, | :33:41. | :33:42. | |
after the Kremlin refused to stop Speaking at a news conference | :33:43. | :33:45. | |
in Washington, Mr Trump said America had been right to fire missiles | :33:46. | :33:49. | |
at a Syrian airbase in response to a chemical | :33:50. | :33:52. | |
weapons attack last week. Mr Trump also said he believes Nato | :33:53. | :33:54. | |
is "no longer obsolete", reversing a stance that had alarmed | :33:55. | :33:56. | |
allies. Workers on Virgin Trains East Coast | :33:57. | :34:05. | |
are to stage a 48-hour It's because of a row over | :34:06. | :34:07. | |
the role of guards and jobs. said consultation over "widespread | :34:08. | :34:15. | |
on-board changes" has been going on for more than a year, | :34:16. | :34:19. | |
adding that the company had implemented the changes from March | :34:20. | :34:21. | |
with no agreement with the union. Coastal areas in parts | :34:22. | :34:26. | |
of New Zealand's North Island have been evacuated ahead of what's | :34:27. | :34:28. | |
expected to be the most powerful storm to hit the country | :34:29. | :34:31. | |
in 50 years. Tropical storm Cook is forecast | :34:32. | :34:33. | |
to bring more than ten centimetres of rain and winds of up | :34:34. | :34:36. | |
to a-hundred-miles an hour. Some areas are already under | :34:37. | :34:38. | |
a state of emergency. That's a summary of the latest news, | :34:39. | :34:47. | |
join me for BBC Newsroom Thank you. Lots of you still getting | :34:48. | :34:55. | |
in touch with us about grammar schools. We will be having a | :34:56. | :34:59. | |
discussion about this in ten minutes. Rex says I was born to an | :35:00. | :35:04. | |
ordinary working class family, my father was a minor, my sister passed | :35:05. | :35:10. | |
the 11 plus and went on to have a successful career, I failed it but | :35:11. | :35:13. | |
passed a further exam to attend the local grammar school two years | :35:14. | :35:16. | |
later. The make-up of the school was a cross-section of society from | :35:17. | :35:21. | |
children of solicitors to children of factory workers and miners. I | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
soon found out we had a lot of knowledge to catch up on in the | :35:26. | :35:28. | |
grammar. I think a return of grammar schools is a great idea and not | :35:29. | :35:34. | |
political ideology of the Labour comprehensive system that has not | :35:35. | :35:40. | |
been a success. Carol says I don't believe in grammar schools, they | :35:41. | :35:43. | |
separate children into those who are good enough on those why not and | :35:44. | :35:46. | |
will feel the rest of their lives feeling that way. John went to | :35:47. | :35:51. | |
grammar school in 1946, I came from a working-class family, my mother | :35:52. | :35:54. | |
was widowed and bringing up two children. I went to school with | :35:55. | :35:58. | |
holes in my shoes. We all sat an entrance exam and had a choice of | :35:59. | :36:02. | |
three grammar schools in the area. We got to school on merit and not on | :36:03. | :36:06. | |
privilege. This is typical socialist propaganda that they always use. And | :36:07. | :36:10. | |
Chris said, I passed the 11 plus much to the surprise of me and my | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
teachers. Coming from a working-class poor family, a grammar | :36:16. | :36:19. | |
school was the making of me. What I didn't understand then was that my | :36:20. | :36:22. | |
good luck was paid for by the 90% of kids who didn't get selected. If you | :36:23. | :36:26. | |
build a new grammar school, every other state secondary is reduced to | :36:27. | :36:30. | |
a secondary modern and their children already feel classed as | :36:31. | :36:35. | |
failures. Keep getting in touch. Let's get some sport now with Olly | :36:36. | :36:36. | |
Foster. These are our headlines this | :36:37. | :36:39. | |
morning: Leicester City will have to overturn a 1-0 deficit | :36:40. | :36:42. | |
in their Champions League quarter-final | :36:43. | :36:44. | |
against Atletico Madrid. The Spaniards were wrongly | :36:45. | :36:49. | |
awarded a penalty, The second leg at the King Power | :36:50. | :36:52. | |
is next Tuesday night. The Borussia Dortmund manager | :36:53. | :36:58. | |
Thomas Tuchel doesn't think that they have | :36:59. | :37:01. | |
played their quarterfinal so soon after the bomb-attack | :37:02. | :37:04. | |
on the team coach. Postponed by less than 24 hours, | :37:05. | :37:07. | |
they lost their first-leg And the shortlist is out for the PFA | :37:08. | :37:09. | |
Player of the Year awards. Chelsea's N'golo Kante | :37:10. | :37:15. | |
is the clear favourite. You can see all the candidates | :37:16. | :37:17. | |
on the BBC Sport website, as well as the Young Player | :37:18. | :37:20. | |
of the Year and Women's And the draw has been made for the | :37:21. | :37:27. | |
first round of the World Snooker Championship at the Crucible in | :37:28. | :37:30. | |
Sheffield, that starts on Saturday. Defending champion Mark Selby will | :37:31. | :37:37. | |
face further O'Brien, and five-time world champion Ronnie O'Sullivan has | :37:38. | :37:39. | |
got Gary Wilson. That starts on Saturday across the BBC. | :37:40. | :37:42. | |
I'll be back with more sport on BBC News after 11. | :37:43. | :37:56. | |
In November 2014, a young woman, Cerys Yemm, was murdered | :37:57. | :37:59. | |
by Matthew Williams, a man with mental health and drug | :38:00. | :38:01. | |
abuse issues who'd been released from prison two weeks earlier. | :38:02. | :38:04. | |
The case hit the headlines when it was wrongly dubbed | :38:05. | :38:06. | |
the "cannibal" killing because the owner of the hostel | :38:07. | :38:08. | |
where it happened believed she'd seen Williams eating | :38:09. | :38:10. | |
Whilst this later proved to be untrue, Cerys' family say | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
they were devastated to hear of the claims through social media, | :38:15. | :38:16. | |
and waited two and a half years to discover the truth. | :38:17. | :38:19. | |
Williams died after being tasered by police, but now the inquest | :38:20. | :38:21. | |
into Cery's death has finally concluded and her family believe | :38:22. | :38:24. | |
that if it wasn't for failings in the support and supervision | :38:25. | :38:26. | |
he received after leaving prison, she would still be alive. | :38:27. | :38:29. | |
Earlier I spoke to Cerys's mum and sister, who began by telling me very | :38:30. | :38:39. | |
action when they first heard she had died. | :38:40. | :38:44. | |
It happened in the early hours of the 6th of November. | :38:45. | :38:46. | |
I caught up and I went to work as normal, and then they phoned | :38:47. | :38:50. | |
through and they said, the police are in reception for you. | :38:51. | :38:52. | |
Which wasn't unusual, with my job, I'd often meet with the police. | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
I went through and I said to them, was it about a certain | :38:58. | :39:00. | |
And I don't know why, because I'd been worried about Sian, | :39:01. | :39:15. | |
she just passed her test and I was worried about her driving | :39:16. | :39:18. | |
in the car, the nights with dark, bad weather. | :39:19. | :39:24. | |
But I just said it's Cerys, isn't it, it's Cerys? | :39:25. | :39:27. | |
They began to tell me then and I refused to listen. | :39:28. | :39:47. | |
That bit then is a blur, really, from then on. | :39:48. | :39:49. | |
It was, that was then our nightmare began. | :39:50. | :40:02. | |
And you obviously then had to tell your family. | :40:03. | :40:05. | |
I'd gone to my mother's, and only just got in there and I said, | :40:06. | :40:20. | |
right, I need to get hold of Shannon and tell her. | :40:21. | :40:23. | |
At that point, I think Shannon phoned my mum, because she'd | :40:24. | :40:26. | |
seen things on Facebook and then people were phoning her and saying, | :40:27. | :40:29. | |
So then I spoke to Shannon and she said, mum, mum, is this true? | :40:30. | :40:43. | |
Shannon, you actually found out from social media? | :40:44. | :40:51. | |
I had people messaging me, because I'd | :40:52. | :40:55. | |
Then I had people messaging me by Facebook message, saying, please | :40:56. | :40:59. | |
don't tell me it's true, it's not your sister, is it? | :41:00. | :41:03. | |
And obviously I had to drive home from Cardiff, | :41:04. | :41:06. | |
Mum was crying, couldn't tell me, couldn't speak on the phone. | :41:07. | :41:14. | |
So I said mum, will you tell me, please. | :41:15. | :41:18. | |
Obviously there was traffic from Cardiff | :41:19. | :41:20. | |
then so I was in a bit of a | :41:21. | :41:22. | |
thing in the car, crying, thinking it's not true. | :41:23. | :41:25. | |
Obviously I tried to ring Cerys, because I didn't know, | :41:26. | :41:29. | |
I thought I'd contact her, but didn't get no answer. | :41:30. | :41:31. | |
But at that time I didn't think that was weird, | :41:32. | :41:34. | |
because I didn't get an answer off my brother either, | :41:35. | :41:37. | |
so I just thought, neither of them are answering me, | :41:38. | :41:39. | |
What about the issue that many of the tabloid media picked | :41:40. | :41:55. | |
up on about the nature of Cerys's death? | :41:56. | :41:57. | |
Many of them labelling it a cannibal attack, | :41:58. | :42:00. | |
and something that for a long time you thought was the | :42:01. | :42:02. | |
Again, we found out off social media, me and my brother having | :42:03. | :42:09. | |
woken up a couple of mornings after and it had been | :42:10. | :42:13. | |
a story on Facebook that people were sharing. | :42:14. | :42:15. | |
couple of mornings after, but there is only so long you can | :42:16. | :42:17. | |
keep things like that from somebody, because it was everywhere. | :42:18. | :42:20. | |
I was sleeping a lot of the time, in and out of sleep and different | :42:21. | :42:23. | |
things, but I think I woke up about four o'clock, five | :42:24. | :42:25. | |
o'clock in the morning, had gone downstairs, | :42:26. | :42:27. | |
and my sister was staying on the settee at that point, | :42:28. | :42:30. | |
and I walked into the living room and I saw her picture | :42:31. | :42:33. | |
But seeing those headlines about your child, I still can't | :42:34. | :42:48. | |
And it was two and a half years before you found out that wasn't | :42:49. | :42:52. | |
At no point were we sat down as a family and told | :42:53. | :43:03. | |
What I got told was initially it was a head injury, | :43:04. | :43:12. | |
then they opened the inquest and I saw again on the news "sharp | :43:13. | :43:18. | |
force trauma to face and neck," again that is very | :43:19. | :43:21. | |
to me, than a head injury, so I said why is it being reported | :43:22. | :43:25. | |
They said, well, yes, it was, but did not go into any further | :43:26. | :43:32. | |
details at that point, so for the last two and a half years | :43:33. | :43:37. | |
that has been over us as a family, not knowing. | :43:38. | :43:39. | |
Just very much in the dark about my child, her sister, | :43:40. | :43:47. | |
about how this came about and exactly | :43:48. | :43:49. | |
We spoke to the police about that and they were saying they wanted | :43:50. | :44:00. | |
to limit the information given to you, and as a family you said | :44:01. | :44:03. | |
you wanted limited information about what had happened to Cerys. | :44:04. | :44:05. | |
If you can imagine, as I just said, the horrific circumstances, | :44:06. | :44:14. | |
those headlines, very early on I was... | :44:15. | :44:18. | |
I did put up the shutters, I didn't want to know. | :44:19. | :44:21. | |
But obviously as the weeks, the days, the months go on, | :44:22. | :44:24. | |
At the inquest, which you have mentioned, into the death | :44:25. | :44:40. | |
of your daughter, the mother of Matthew Williams, | :44:41. | :44:42. | |
who killed Cerys, said that he needed help, | :44:43. | :44:44. | |
he had been released from prison just a couple of weeks earlier, | :44:45. | :44:47. | |
he had severe mental health issues, he wasn't getting support, and there | :44:48. | :44:49. | |
was no updated risk assessment before his release. And is that what | :44:50. | :45:10. | |
you want to change, better communication between agencies to | :45:11. | :45:12. | |
rent another family going through what you went through? He was going | :45:13. | :45:17. | |
to commit crimes, he had written letters saying so, and those hadn't | :45:18. | :45:26. | |
been acted upon. There was an opportunity. He had written letters | :45:27. | :45:30. | |
in prison saying he wanted to kill when he came out, more than eight | :45:31. | :45:34. | |
letters which he had written. The risk was that he was going to commit | :45:35. | :45:39. | |
a serious offence. And I fear that everyone knew that, but they took | :45:40. | :45:45. | |
the view, we can't really do anything because he is not an | :45:46. | :45:49. | |
license, so we won't do anything, and not even share that information | :45:50. | :45:53. | |
with anyone. And that needs to change. | :45:54. | :45:59. | |
Paula and Shannon Yemm speaking to us a little earlier. | :46:00. | :46:01. | |
"Ordinary working families shouldn't have to make do when it comes | :46:02. | :46:04. | |
That's the message of the Education Secretary, | :46:05. | :46:06. | |
Justine Greening, as she sets out her plans for a new generation | :46:07. | :46:09. | |
New Government analysis shows a majority of selective school | :46:10. | :46:12. | |
But Labour says the Government's own research shows that grammars | :46:13. | :46:18. | |
In the last few minutes Justine Greening the Education Secretary has | :46:19. | :46:39. | |
been speaking in South London. A fairer society, a society based on | :46:40. | :46:43. | |
merit, and that must surely start with education and our schools. | :46:44. | :46:47. | |
Making sure that our children and young people can do their very best | :46:48. | :46:52. | |
and reach their potential, wherever they are growing up. That is the | :46:53. | :46:58. | |
means by which we build a better country. It is how we deliver the | :46:59. | :47:02. | |
plan for Britain. In short, we are the means, our country's people, | :47:03. | :47:09. | |
each and every one of us. Some of the most vivid memories I have in my | :47:10. | :47:13. | |
life are about opportunities. There is one of me and a red telephone box | :47:14. | :47:19. | |
in Devon. It is still there. It looks pretty normal, but it matters | :47:20. | :47:26. | |
to me, that phone box, because it is the telephone box I rang from to get | :47:27. | :47:34. | |
my A level results, and I remember screaming with delight when I got | :47:35. | :47:37. | |
the news I had the results are needed to go to university, and I | :47:38. | :47:41. | |
was the first person in my family to be able to go to university. We went | :47:42. | :47:45. | |
across the road to the pub to celebrate, and as we sat there as a | :47:46. | :47:48. | |
family to celebrate nobody knew what this next stage in my life would be | :47:49. | :47:53. | |
like, but we knew it was going to be important, because I knew it would | :47:54. | :47:57. | |
open up the world to me and it would transform my chances in the future, | :47:58. | :48:02. | |
and I believe that we can build that education system here in Britain, | :48:03. | :48:08. | |
but in the end it forms around opportunity, and opportunity is | :48:09. | :48:12. | |
about how we translate those hopes and aspirations into something real, | :48:13. | :48:19. | |
something concrete, so for me opportunity is the most precious | :48:20. | :48:23. | |
commodity in this world, and our strong economy is vital, because it | :48:24. | :48:28. | |
is the opportunity engine of our country. But we know truly need to | :48:29. | :48:35. | |
make it a country where everyone has an equal shot of taking advantage of | :48:36. | :48:39. | |
those opportunities being created. This is a Government that wants more | :48:40. | :48:45. | |
opportunity for more people and more equality of opportunity, and that | :48:46. | :48:49. | |
means unlocking our children's potential. | :48:50. | :48:52. | |
Let's discuss this with Lee Elliot Major, | :48:53. | :48:54. | |
CEO of the Sutton Trust, an education think tank, | :48:55. | :49:04. | |
We can also speak to Labour's Shadow Education Secretary, | :49:05. | :49:06. | |
Angela Rayner, who is in our Salford newsroom. | :49:07. | :49:08. | |
And in Nottingham, Malcolm Trobe - he's the interim general secretary | :49:09. | :49:11. | |
of the Association of School and College Leaders. | :49:12. | :49:13. | |
Thank you all for joining us on this. First of all, Lee, do you | :49:14. | :49:20. | |
welcome this? I think we welcome the Government looking into social | :49:21. | :49:23. | |
mobility but we have real reservations about grammar schools | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
as agents of social mobility. The basic problem is they are not | :49:28. | :49:32. | |
attracting poorer children. If you look at the statistics, the | :49:33. | :49:36. | |
likelihood of getting into these grammars is vanishingly small, and | :49:37. | :49:39. | |
we know the biggest issue for social mobility in a way is for that bottom | :49:40. | :49:44. | |
third of pupils. Malcolm Trobe, would you agree with that? Yes, very | :49:45. | :49:51. | |
much. We see that their evidence is increasing selection is not going to | :49:52. | :49:55. | |
have any impact on the overall educational standards across the | :49:56. | :49:59. | |
country. It may impact on the life chances of a small minority of | :50:00. | :50:03. | |
youngsters who go to selective schools, but in terms of raising the | :50:04. | :50:07. | |
overall educational standards across the country and giving us a highly | :50:08. | :50:11. | |
skilled workforce for the future, we don't see this as a positive step. | :50:12. | :50:17. | |
We need good schools for every single child. So you are saying they | :50:18. | :50:22. | |
shouldn't be grammar schools at all. Lee, you are saying there should be | :50:23. | :50:25. | |
as long as poorer children are given the opportunity to access them? We | :50:26. | :50:30. | |
are just pragmatic. Grammar schools are here. I don't think they are | :50:31. | :50:34. | |
going to go always a wealthy are here and let's ensure the benefit | :50:35. | :50:37. | |
all children. I would agree with Malcolm we want good schools, and | :50:38. | :50:41. | |
indeed we want high achieving children from all backgrounds doing | :50:42. | :50:45. | |
well in all schools. I would agree with that, but for grammars | :50:46. | :50:48. | |
specifically I would say you have to be quite radical and lower the | :50:49. | :50:52. | |
grades for poorer children. You have to give them private tutoring, | :50:53. | :50:56. | |
because we know for those who get into grammar schools, and there's | :50:57. | :50:59. | |
been a huge boom in private tutoring over the decade, and the middle | :51:00. | :51:03. | |
classes, thinking about tutoring quite rightly, they are moving | :51:04. | :51:07. | |
further away, and I think it is the poorer children we should | :51:08. | :51:11. | |
concentrate on. It might pay for that? Yes, it is really | :51:12. | :51:15. | |
cost-effective, in many ways, if you get the right tutors. Why don't you | :51:16. | :51:20. | |
just say no one can privately trigger? Social mobility should be | :51:21. | :51:24. | |
about levelling up rather than dumbing down, if you like, and you | :51:25. | :51:28. | |
have to allow parents to do the best for their children, but we need to | :51:29. | :51:35. | |
allow those really bright talented children, from all backgrounds, all | :51:36. | :51:38. | |
kinds of talents, we need to allow that, private tutoring, give them a | :51:39. | :51:41. | |
break. Angela, would you agree with that? Allowed poorer children | :51:42. | :51:48. | |
private tutoring to compete? I believe across the UK where we do | :51:49. | :51:53. | |
not have selection that the evidence is a fully comprehensive system | :51:54. | :51:55. | |
which makes sure every child reaches their potential is the best way | :51:56. | :52:00. | |
forward. Justine Greening spoke a lot about the potential, people | :52:01. | :52:03. | |
reaching their potential, and both me and her come from a comprehensive | :52:04. | :52:07. | |
system, and I really felt what she set about feeling really great that | :52:08. | :52:10. | |
she was the first to go to university, but under her Government | :52:11. | :52:14. | |
she will take us backwards, and it is not Justine Greening that want | :52:15. | :52:22. | |
grammar schools. It is quite clear that this is Theresa May pushing | :52:23. | :52:24. | |
this Government against all the evidence suggesting this will not | :52:25. | :52:27. | |
help social mobility and poorer kids get the best education. They are | :52:28. | :52:29. | |
cutting the school budgets at the moment in most of our children's | :52:30. | :52:32. | |
schools and it is a scandal and should not happen. The only thing I | :52:33. | :52:37. | |
would say to that, you know, it is refreshing to have us alt. Why we | :52:38. | :52:42. | |
are all comprehensive educated. So I! It is great to have a show, and | :52:43. | :52:48. | |
comprehensive education does produce people who go on to do things, but I | :52:49. | :52:52. | |
think we have a pragmatic view and grammars that because they still do | :52:53. | :52:55. | |
produce many of the people who get to the top in society, let's make | :52:56. | :52:58. | |
sure they are accessible to all children. Let me read you some of | :52:59. | :53:02. | |
the messages coming into us. We have been getting so many throughout the | :53:03. | :53:06. | |
morning. Anita says, bring back grammar schools. The sooner, the | :53:07. | :53:11. | |
better. It is not the case of elite being a better | :53:12. | :53:24. | |
system, but concentrating on trades and the like. I know many a | :53:25. | :53:28. | |
tradesperson that have done much better than an academic. Also, I | :53:29. | :53:30. | |
went to grammar school and my sons went to a conference of and I | :53:31. | :53:33. | |
noticed a massive difference in the schooling. What about good boys and | :53:34. | :53:35. | |
girls being bullied and intimidated by those children who are more | :53:36. | :53:37. | |
streetwise? Sometimes able children just leave school. Another e-mail. | :53:38. | :53:40. | |
"I Went to a grammar school in the 50s. All of my family was working | :53:41. | :53:45. | |
class. My son is a doctor. And my dad worked in the steelworks. I | :53:46. | :53:49. | |
would call that social mobility." So this suggests it can work? But all | :53:50. | :53:54. | |
the evidence suggests it does not work and if you look at the | :53:55. | :53:56. | |
occupational groups and how people will work through their working | :53:57. | :53:59. | |
lives in the future, it will not be that you have the white and | :54:00. | :54:04. | |
blue-collar, those in manufacturing jobs, but people will work longer, | :54:05. | :54:07. | |
perhaps of a physically demanding job in early years then move onto a | :54:08. | :54:11. | |
different job. We need to scale up the workforce and have a lifelong | :54:12. | :54:15. | |
learning approach and a comprehensive system ensures every | :54:16. | :54:18. | |
child does well, not just those who are gifted and talented. Every child | :54:19. | :54:22. | |
does well in a comprehensive system and that is what we want to see. But | :54:23. | :54:26. | |
Lee says it is about aiming high, and we should not be dumbing | :54:27. | :54:42. | |
down, aiming high. If children are able, give them the opportunity to | :54:43. | :54:46. | |
excel. Absolutely, and if you look at the London Challenge which Labour | :54:47. | :54:48. | |
introduced, not a grammar school insight in London, every child does | :54:49. | :54:50. | |
well. It transformed education system, working with the Department | :54:51. | :54:52. | |
for Education and local Government, they were able to improve the school | :54:53. | :54:55. | |
experience for every single child in the London community and we need to | :54:56. | :54:58. | |
throw that out. We need to look at International studies and see what | :54:59. | :55:00. | |
works best on evidence based policy. Unfortunately grammar schools help a | :55:01. | :55:04. | |
tiny few, and they leave the rest on the scrapheap, and that is not a | :55:05. | :55:08. | |
good way of making sure every child reaches their full potential. Does | :55:09. | :55:11. | |
everyone feel they are on the scrapheap? I did not feel that at | :55:12. | :55:17. | |
the secondary modern. Malcolm Trobe, how do you think you make grammar is | :55:18. | :55:20. | |
accessible? The reality is they year. The Government is pushing | :55:21. | :55:24. | |
forward with this. Do you agree with the idea of private tuition paid for | :55:25. | :55:29. | |
by the state to give people a level playing field? We know this is a | :55:30. | :55:34. | |
highly complex issue and the selection process is used at the | :55:35. | :55:38. | |
moment to enable people to come into grammar schools, let's be fair, | :55:39. | :55:42. | |
those people working in grammar schools at the moment do a good job | :55:43. | :55:45. | |
for the children they have in front of them, however you can't develop | :55:46. | :55:53. | |
Chuter proof tests and any parent desperate to get their youngster | :55:54. | :55:59. | |
into a selective school will do their utmost to make sure they are | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
getting some form of tutoring -- you can't develop tutor-proof tests. | :56:04. | :56:07. | |
What we need to do is get the Government away from thinking about | :56:08. | :56:11. | |
this as the big change. At the moment young people's life chances | :56:12. | :56:16. | |
are being significantly affected, as Angela said earlier, by the fact we | :56:17. | :56:20. | |
are seeing significant cuts in education budgets. It is around | :56:21. | :56:25. | |
about ?1.2 billion in the current year and will be ?3 billion by the | :56:26. | :56:28. | |
time we are at the end of this Parliament. We have a crisis in | :56:29. | :56:33. | |
terms of teacher supply. These are the real issues we need the | :56:34. | :56:37. | |
Government to be focusing on now, in order to ensure we are given the | :56:38. | :56:43. | |
best possible life chances for the youngsters currently in the system. | :56:44. | :56:48. | |
I would just add to that, Malcolm. I think the state sector as a whole | :56:49. | :56:52. | |
needs to up its game on those highest academic achievers. If you | :56:53. | :56:57. | |
look at the system as a whole the children from poorer backgrounds are | :56:58. | :57:00. | |
about on average three years behind their more privileged counterparts | :57:01. | :57:04. | |
at age 15 is, so I absolutely agree with Angela that we need a school | :57:05. | :57:08. | |
system that nurtures different talents, absolutely right. We want a | :57:09. | :57:11. | |
strong apprenticeship system. We need that as well, but I do think we | :57:12. | :57:17. | |
need to work really hard so that the most academically able children in | :57:18. | :57:20. | |
the state sector are competing with their more privileged counterparts. | :57:21. | :57:25. | |
You are right there, Lee. We have to do our best for every single child, | :57:26. | :57:31. | |
but one of the key things is having them all in institutions that are | :57:32. | :57:35. | |
able to move them on. We know from experience that youngsters to | :57:36. | :57:39. | |
develop at different rates. And actually 11 is not a good age at | :57:40. | :57:45. | |
which to make a number of decisions for young people, so, yes, we all | :57:46. | :57:49. | |
need to up our game. When we look at the workforce we are going to need | :57:50. | :57:52. | |
going forward, it is not the workforce we needed in the 50s and | :57:53. | :57:57. | |
60s. It is a highly technical literate workforce with | :57:58. | :58:02. | |
technological and computing skills, and we have to work so all | :58:03. | :58:06. | |
youngsters have access to that. I think you are all agreed on that. | :58:07. | :58:08. | |
Thank you all for joining us today. We have had so many messages coming | :58:09. | :58:19. | |
and I'm sorry I cannot read them. One woman said she wishes both of | :58:20. | :58:22. | |
her children had gone to a comprehensive, an interesting | :58:23. | :58:28. | |
message. Keep them coming in. Hashtag Victoria. | :58:29. | :58:34. | |
this country has been dogged by cocaine and conflict. | :58:35. | :58:39. |