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Hello, it's Friday, it's 9am - I'm Chloe Tilley in for Victoria.

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"The war on terror is simply not working."

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That's the view of Jeremy Corbyn, who's promising change

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But his views have been sharply criticised by the Conservatives.

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I think Jeremy Corbyn's comments are totally

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Will either at police headquarters in Manchester as another arrest is

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made in connection with Monday night's bombing. -- we are live.

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The UK terror threat level remains "critical" -

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meaning another attack could be imminent.

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We'll look at how security is being stepped up at this

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Also in the programme, we'll have the extraordinary story

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of a how a man who was abandoned as a baby tracked down his

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siblings with nothing more than a sample of his DNA.

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Hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am this morning.

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Will the Manchester terror attacks put you off going to any major

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events this weekend or argue determined to carry on as normal?

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The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn will give a major speech today,

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as election campaigning resumes after the terror

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He's expected to link British military action abroad

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to terrorism in the UK, and call for a change

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Let's talk to our political guru Norman Smith about this.

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Tell us a bit more about what Jeremy Corbyn is going to say?

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Mr Corbyn will set out what he thinks are some of the key drivers

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of terrorism. He will say that he is not seeking to excuse terrorists,

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they are the ones who are guilty and they alone are guilty for the acts

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they carry out. But he will suggest that some of the walls we have been

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involved in a broad in places like Iraq, Syria and Libya have

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contributed to the threat we face, and he will say cuts to police

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numbers have also put us at risk because, he will argue, you cannot

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have security on the cheap. But, as you might expect, it a very, very

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controversial moment to be making these sorts of remarks, as my

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colleague Iain Watson now reports. The political truce

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following the Manchester attack will be declared over today,

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when Jeremy Corbyn speaks He'll draw political dividing lines

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by criticising Government cuts in police numbers,

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and will say austerity must stop But linking involvement in foreign

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wars to terrorism is likely Many experts including professionals

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in our intelligence and it is their bosses have pointed to the

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connections between wars our Government has supported all fought

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in other countries, and terrorism here at home.

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He will say this does not reduce the guilt of terrorists, but...

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We must be brave enough to admit the war on terror is simply not working.

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The former Lib Dem leader Lord Ashdown has questioned the

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The Labour leader expects criticism for his comments,

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but those close to him say it's impossible to have an honest debate

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on tackling terrorism without mentioning the wars.

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Mr Corbyn's aides say in his speech Mr Corbyn will pledge to be tough on

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terrorism and tough on the causes of terrorism, but already critics are

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pointing out that the Labour leader has voted against pretty much every

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recent counterterrorism legislation brought before the Commons and he

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opposes the deradicalisation Prevent strategy, so perhaps unsurprisingly

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the Conservative security minister Ben Wallace this morning was highly

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critical of Mr Corbyn's decision to make this speech.

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I think Jeremy Corbyn's comments are totally

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Right now, we have police forces and security services scrabbling,

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working hard to keep us safe through the night.

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We have 66 people still in hospital in Manchester.

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Now is not the time to decide to use this event to attack foreign policy

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decisions that may or may not have been made.

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Now is the time to focus on our British values,

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our intolerance of terrorism, and stand united saying violence

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and hate will not deliver the outcome they want,

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and we as a society will not be threatened or damaged by terrorism.

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The hope of Mr Corbyn is that voters, while not in any way

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minimising the horror of Manchester, will think, yes, we do have to have

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this debate about what is causing this radicalisation, what is the

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reason for the terror threat we face. But it is an almighty risk for

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Mr Corbyn, the danger that he simply gets more damaging headlines.

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Thank you, Norman, we will catch up with you later on in the programme.

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And tune in to BBC One at 7pm this evening,

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when Jeremy Corbyn will be the latest leader in the hot seat

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Police are continuing their investigations into a possible

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network surrounding the Manchester suicide bomber, who killed 22

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There've been more searches and one arrest overnight,

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our Correspondent Wrye Davies is outside Greater Manchester

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Bring us up-to-date with what you are being told.

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There have been some interesting developments overnight, the first

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police operation in the early hours of the morning, a man was arrested

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in the Moss side area of Manchester, which has brought the total number

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of people in detention to eight. There was an operation this morning

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over in St Helens in neighbouring Merseyside and back in Moss side at

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another address, another police operation this morning. Greater

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Manchester Police said they are making good progress. The problem

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is, the reality is we are in a critical state of alert and police

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still need and want to find those people who may have helped the bomb

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procure the bomb, set up the bomb, delivered the bomb, and until that

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network of people is found, this critical state of alert, having

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these hundreds of armed policemen and women on the streets of

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Manchester, soldiers in other cities as well, armed police on public

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transport, on trains for the first time, there is still a lot of

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tension here and until that network is found and neutralised we will

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remain in this position. We have also heard overnight that Greater

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Manchester Police have restarted their cooperation with American

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authorities, exchanging some of this very sensitive information they hope

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might help them achieve a breakthrough in the case. That

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cooperation had stopped because of excessive leaks on the American

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side. Greater Manchester Police felt it was actively disturbing and

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damaging their inquiries. After assurances from Washington, those

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links have now resumed and the exchange of this vital information

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will resume. Thank you for the update, where

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Davis there from Greater Manchester Police headquarters.

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Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

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Theresa May is to urge the leaders of the world's most

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developed nations to do more to tackle extremism online.

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She's to make a speech at the G7 summit of leading

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Our diplomatic correspondent James Landale reports.

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Theresa May arrived in Sicily last night for her first G7 summit,

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a rare chance for her and just six other leaders to discuss

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the world's problems face-to-face around a table.

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And, as they gather in the ancient coastal town of Taormina,

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Above all from Donald Trump, who has made his doubts

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about multilateral groups like this well-known.

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At this summit, as ever, they'll discuss world trade,

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climate change, migration from north Africa across these very seas.

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But, after the events of recent days, almost inevitably

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the focus will be the fight against global terrorism.

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Theresa May will sit down formally with the US President,

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and discuss not just those leaks from the Manchester bombing

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investigation, but how she, he, and other G7 leaders can work

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together to fight extremism and terror plots online,

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with internet firms doing more, and a new international forum,

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I suspect Theresa May will say, "Look, let's all agree that we need

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a totally joined-up security effort, of the sort we have

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within the United Kingdom, amongst the G7 as a whole."

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But, if there is agreement among these heads of government over

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terror, they may fall out over other issues -

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international trade, climate change and global migration,

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areas where Mr Trump's smiles are not matched

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Travellers through Gatwick airport are suffering major

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problems with baggage disruption this morning.

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One passenger has said the situation is 'chaos'.

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Gatwick Airport has apologised for delays at check-in.

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It says some flights are departing without bags,

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and that they'll be forwarded to passengers' destinations.

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The US media is reporting President Trump's son-in-law

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and senior White House adviser Jared Kushner is under

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The inquiry is into Russian interference

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Reports say investigators believe Mr Kushner may have significant

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information relevant to their work, but this does not necessarily mean

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Scientists say new observations of the planet Jupiter have

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They have been studying detailed photographs sent back to earth

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Researchers say they have been amazed by the storms

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Dozens of hurricanes, each the size of Earth,

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An SOS signal made of rocks in a remote part of Western Australia

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has prompted fears that someone, or more than one person,

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The distress signal was spotted by a helicopter pilot,

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leading to a ground search by police, who had to reach the area

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Authorities have now appealed for public help after failing

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to find any indication of recent human activity.

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That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am.

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I want to bring you this which has just reached us, Labour has

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suspended one of its vice-chairman in Surrey after he suggested the

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Government itself could have been behind the Manchester bombing.

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Daniel Uihlein, the vice-chair in water, said, I would not put it past

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our establishment and right wing Government or Theresa May to blow up

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their own people in order to continue to secure power for

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themselves. The Labour Party has confirmed to

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BBC Surrey that he has since been suspended and today is the

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re-newspaper says the Conservative candidate Dominic Raab has described

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the comments as extremely offensive in countless ways as we pay our

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respects to the victims and try to show some solidarity.

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We will keep an eye on that and bring you any details as we are on

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air over the next two hours. Do get in touch with us

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throughout the morning - If you text, you will be charged

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at the standard network rate. Let's get some sports now with Hugh.

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Good to see you. Obviously Manchester at the moment, people are

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coping with the events that happened on Monday night but also people are

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trying to use sport as a way to get back to normality, if you like?

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Yes, it has of course been a devastating week for everyone in the

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country and at the epicentre of that is the city of Manchester. In recent

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days we have seen, as you have explained, and outpouring of grief

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in the city but also a sense of togetherness, evidenced by Tony

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Walsh's moving poem outside the town Hall on Tuesday,

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that music and sport are two of the things the city is famous for.

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Manchester United brought home the Europa League Trophy earlier this

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week and doubt there will be international sport in the heart of

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Manchester with the Great City Games today, helping to see a united

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Manchester carry on defiantly in the face of such a barbaric act. A

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solemn town in the mood. Former Olympic long jump champion Greg

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Rutherford will be there and says it is important to the sport and people

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show they will not let terrorists win. Also appearing in the ninth

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year the event has been stage is the Paralympic champion Jonnie Peacock

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who shared a similar view to Rutherford that the games can send a

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message of resilience to the world. These events are the ones that we

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need, we need to show that it doesn't stop us, I think that is

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what we showed great in this country, what we do a great job of

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it is we will wake up the next day, get on with our lives, stand-up,

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don't do our jobs, turned up to events and show our support

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together, and I think it is the absolute opposite response to what

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everyone wants but it is amazing to see, and I love it.

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The BBC will have full coverage of the event starting at 6pm tonight on

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BBC Two. Just to say as Robbie Great Manchester Run will go ahead this

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weekend, Europe's largest 10k run, a half marathon as well this time

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around. The organisers do, though, say there will be additional

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security measures in place. You can watch that on BBC One from lunchtime

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on Sunday. We will be speaking to someone

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taking part in the Great Manchester Run in the next few minutes as well.

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Let's talk about Wayne Rooney, slightly uncertain time for him,

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left out of the England squad? Yes, the Manchester United captain,

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officially the captain of England but missing out on his second

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consecutive squad for his country and now he has nothing but a clear

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some ahead of him. He says he will go away with his family and decide

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what is next. The 31-year-old has only started 15 league games for

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Manchester United this season and the England boss Gareth Southgate

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says that other players are playing exceptionally well so Wayne Rooney

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is left out on form. The man himself is now left pondering his future,

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and returned to his boyhood club Everton is a possibility, or perhaps

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a big-money move to China. He will be demanding ?600,000 a week for a

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move there. Rooney has said there are lots of offers on the table in

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England and abroad. He is record goal-scorer for his club and country

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but we understand United are after three or four stellar signings this

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summer, that means Rooney could well be on his way out of the pub.

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Indications are that his future will be dealt with sooner rather than

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later. We will catch up with you a bit

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later on. With the bank holiday weekend comes

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a serious of major sporting Manchester plays host

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to the Manchester City Games and the Great Manchester Run,

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the largest 10k run in Europe. On the music front

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the band The Courteeners, who are from Manchester,

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are also playing at Old Trafford's In London, it's FA Cup Final day

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at Wembley on Saturday. After some speculation

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that the events in Manchester would be cancelled, the deployment

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of troops at key sites in London has freed up armed officers

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to support other forces, that's according to

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the Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police,

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Ian Hopkins. So what extra work has gone

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into preparing for the events in light of the attack

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at Manchester Arena on Monday? We can chat now to Lee Dodderidge

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is a director at Covenant Security and risk management,

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he's also a former member of the UK's National Counter

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Terrorism Security Office. Anthony Mundy, Operations Director

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at Emirates Old Trafford Cricket Ground where the Courteeners gig

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is happening on Saturday. Leigh Webber, who's running the 10k

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in Manchester on Sunday despite having had half

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a lung removed. Thank you all for joining us. I want

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to start, Leigh, in light of what happened on Monday, give us a sense

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of what is going on behind the scenes to improve security. There

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are a number of things they will be considering at the moment. They will

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have reviewed all the plans. These events are regular events. There is

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a tried and tested security operation in place which is

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critical. They will be adding additional measures to that. But

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there are differences between the venues. If you look at the

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difference between a stadium event where there will be tickets,

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compared to the Manchester run where there will be large areas of the

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route and the start and finish lines which are open to members of the

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public. There is a big security challenge. People should expect

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delays, but they will still be able to enjoy the event. There are a lot

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of challenges ahead for security, additional searches and other

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restrictions. Leigh, I cannot believe I said in that introduction

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that you had half a long removed in March. It is incredible you are

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contemplating running this event. How are you feeling after what has

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happened in the city? We can see you in front of all those floral

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tributes. I am just feeling now after what has happened, this

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terrible tragedy, it has made me and everyone else more determined to run

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and try to do Manchester pride. Like Tony Walsh said in the powerful poem

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in Manchester when things get tough we stand tall together and fight

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strong in the Manchester spirit way. Obviously everybody is quite

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apprehensive, but it will also be quite emotional and we are going to

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try and do our best to make Manchester proud. Did you have

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difficult conversations with your family about wanting to take part?

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Presumably they are concerned? Yes, they are quite concerned, but I

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think they also respect and understand our reasons why we feel

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even more determined to try and prove to Manchester that we can

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carry on the best we can. Anthony is standing next to you, in charge of

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security there at the Emirates Old Trafford cricket ground where the

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concert is on Saturday. What extra security have you implemented there

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in light of what has happened in the city? We have been planning for this

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event for over six months and we already have robust security plans

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in place. We do this on a regular basis. We have a few answers every

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year, we have international cricket, so we are used to put it on

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large-scale events. As part of our planning process we have multi

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agency meetings with the police, local authority, transport,

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licensing. There were robust plans already in place. Since the tragic

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events of Monday we have had numerous meetings with the police.

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We have had a lot of understanding from the police in terms of what

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additional security they advised us to put in place. We have done that

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and we will increase our checks. We advise people to come early because

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there will be searching. We advise people not to come with bags because

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that will slow down things. If you come with a bag, make sure it is a

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small one. The key thing is the support we have had from the pleas

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and the additional resources they will put in place around reinsurance

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is going to be massive. Whereas we would normally have a lot of

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security in and around the venue, we are increasing that and the police

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will be having security measures for the last mile and when people get on

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the train or the tram or their car, there will be a visible presence of

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the police to give people reinsurance. There is no increased

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security risk at our event, but it is about people getting on with

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their lives and getting Manchester back on track. It is interesting you

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talk about that. That was the vulnerable area in the Manchester

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attack. That area where you come out of security into the public area. I

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guess that is always the challenge, that you need to provide that

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security. There will always be a break in security somewhere, so how

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do you overcome that? It is striking the balance. All security has got to

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be proportionate to what the risk is. Sometimes we have had failings

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in the past and the security is there not to protect the buildings,

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but the people. They are one of the major assets you want to look after.

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But the start is probably easier to secure because people come in over a

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longer period of time in smaller numbers. It is at the end of the

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event when people come out en masse, which unfortunately was the incident

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in Manchester on Monday evening. Once people come out of the key

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thing to do once they are in the public domain is to disperse the

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crowd as quickly as possible. But you have to do it in a way that

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maintains the atmosphere of the event. The smaller groups provide

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less of a target, that is horrible to say, but that is reality, and we

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have to move them away as quickly as possible. Anthony, is that the sense

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of what you have been hearing as well in your planning? That has been

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one of the main focus areas, but there are other mitigation plans we

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have put in place with the police. It is about the whole customer

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journey from when people arrive in Manchester through to coming to the

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concert and getting home again. We are focusing on every area. The

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plans were robust before and they are now massively enhanced. We want

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people to have a fantastic time. The Courteeners have said they want to

:23:19.:23:22.

give Manchester a concept that they deserve. It is about holiday weekend

:23:23.:23:28.

and we do not want people to change their plans. But get here early, do

:23:29.:23:34.

not bring a bag, be supportive of each other, be patient. We have got

:23:35.:23:38.

four Northwest, Greater Manchester bands coming to hear on Saturday, it

:23:39.:23:47.

could not get any better. Leigh, I know you said it was important to

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send out this message that nothing was changing, we are carrying on.

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Have you thought about how you are getting there? Have you reassess

:23:57.:24:01.

your journey there? Has anything changed in your mind? I suppose I am

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an optimistic, positive person and I am hoping that when we get on the

:24:09.:24:17.

tram, we will be anxious, but I will just be hopeful really that

:24:18.:24:22.

everything will be OK. People often say in the aftermath of a tragedy

:24:23.:24:25.

that arguably that could be the safest time to be doing any of these

:24:26.:24:30.

things. In some bizarre way do you feel this could be the safest time

:24:31.:24:34.

to take part in this run because security is at the forefront of

:24:35.:24:40.

everybody's mind right now? I definitely feel like that. I came to

:24:41.:24:44.

the vigil on Tuesday evening and felt exactly like that. Now the

:24:45.:24:49.

safety is so out there that it is probably the best it could be

:24:50.:24:54.

really. Is that a logical thing to think or is that the public trying

:24:55.:25:01.

to make themselves feel safer? It is perfectly logical. I can remember

:25:02.:25:05.

similar conversations last year when we had the Euro Championships and

:25:06.:25:08.

the safest place would have been inside one of the stadiums. Because

:25:09.:25:14.

of additional security people will feel safer. It is interesting

:25:15.:25:18.

listening to the other guests that we need to maintain our way of life

:25:19.:25:23.

and go out and enjoy our events. People have to bear in mind there

:25:24.:25:27.

will be additional security and they have to be more aware. We cannot be

:25:28.:25:33.

defeated, but from a security perspective we have to realistically

:25:34.:25:36.

look at the threats and keep in mind it is still critical and there is

:25:37.:25:41.

still a network of potentially people out there wanting to cause

:25:42.:25:46.

harm to us. What would you say each of you to anybody watching this who

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is saying, I know what you are saying, I understand what you are

:25:51.:25:55.

saying, but I am scared to go out, I am scared to put my family and

:25:56.:26:00.

myself at risk? Leigh, what would you say to them? I suppose different

:26:01.:26:06.

people have got different ways of thinking, which is fair enough and

:26:07.:26:11.

we respect everybody and how they feel. But we would encourage them

:26:12.:26:14.

the best we can for the sake of Manchester and all the people to not

:26:15.:26:19.

let this beat us and carry on with as many events as we can and know

:26:20.:26:24.

that Manchester and the security is doing everything they can to keep us

:26:25.:26:29.

as safe as possible. Anthony, what would you say to somebody watching

:26:30.:26:33.

and thinking that? I would echo that. For me they have won if we

:26:34.:26:38.

change the way we carry on with what we are doing this weekend and every

:26:39.:26:44.

weekend in the future. We have got to be sympathetic and acknowledge

:26:45.:26:48.

what has gone on, but we do have to move forward. Otherwise they have

:26:49.:26:55.

beaten us. We are an entertainment venue and Manchester is a fantastic

:26:56.:26:59.

city and we want to put Manchester back on the map for the right

:27:00.:27:06.

reasons. I want to ask you, what from a security perspective is the

:27:07.:27:12.

greatest challenge to please and security? Later on we will be

:27:13.:27:15.

hearing from Alan Shearer talking about the FA Cup final, is that the

:27:16.:27:20.

biggest challenge in an enclosed environment, or is it the likes of

:27:21.:27:23.

the great Manchester run where you have so many people out on the

:27:24.:27:28.

street over a huge area? You are right, the run will be the biggest

:27:29.:27:34.

security challenge. With the two event, at the Emirates Stadium or

:27:35.:27:39.

with the FA Cup, these are well rehearsed events. Yes, there will be

:27:40.:27:46.

increased security, but it is completely different to the security

:27:47.:27:50.

required at what is an open-air event open to the members of the

:27:51.:27:56.

public. There is a longer route to consider as well. That will be the

:27:57.:28:00.

biggest challenge. People will have to bear in mind that whilst we have

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just had the recent Manchester attack, we saw how easily it was to

:28:05.:28:09.

have an attack at Westminster with a vehicle, so there are a number of

:28:10.:28:12.

different threats and that will be the challenge. It is achievable, but

:28:13.:28:17.

people will need to allow extra time to get into the area and there will

:28:18.:28:26.

be travel disruption. That will be the biggest security challenge,

:28:27.:28:29.

making sure everybody there is safe and secure and anybody coming to

:28:30.:28:32.

cause any harm is identifiable and dealt with. Before you go, Leigh,

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you have lost half along. You are training, you will be running ten

:28:43.:28:45.

kilometres. How has your preparation gone? As I had the operation three

:28:46.:28:51.

days after coming out of hospital I have been running every day to make

:28:52.:28:56.

me feel like I was training. Three weeks ago I started gently jogging

:28:57.:29:02.

again and I have done about 37 kilometre runs. I had to stop a few

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times, but I have done seven kilometres in an hour, so I am

:29:08.:29:12.

pleased with that. I am sure with all the adrenaline I will get to ten

:29:13.:29:16.

kilometres with all that 20 of us from the academy and my best friend

:29:17.:29:21.

Jane coming from Dorset. With all the support I am sure I will be fine

:29:22.:29:26.

to get to the finishing line. Best of luck, it is an incredible story.

:29:27.:29:31.

I hope you enjoy it. That you all for speaking to us. A couple of

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comments coming in to us here on Jeremy Corbyn's comments. David

:29:37.:29:41.

says, Jeremy Corbyn is getting closer to the mark, but it is not

:29:42.:29:46.

just our foreign policy. We looked at only what we can take from others

:29:47.:29:49.

and spent too little time considering what we can give.

:29:50.:29:53.

Supporting nations to develop by sensible use of foreign aid might

:29:54.:29:57.

have a far greater effect on promoting peace and stability in

:29:58.:30:02.

many of these countries. Stewart says, what Jeremy Corbyn is saying

:30:03.:30:06.

is right, you can support the soldiers but condemned the

:30:07.:30:08.

government for putting them in that situation. Jeremy says has Jeremy

:30:09.:30:14.

Corbyn not voted against anti-terror laws in his time? Another one,

:30:15.:30:24.

people, please buy Ariana Grande's record as a tribute.

:30:25.:30:27.

Long queues and disruption at Gatwick airport this morning,

:30:28.:30:30.

as a problem with the bagging system means some travellers are having

:30:31.:30:33.

Former England captain Alan Shearer tells us it will be hard to focus on

:30:34.:30:45.

the FA Cup final this weekend after the Manchester terror attack.

:30:46.:30:48.

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:30:49.:30:54.

The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn will give a major speech today,

:30:55.:30:56.

in which he's expected to link British military action abroad

:30:57.:30:59.

He's making the comments as election campaigning resumes after the terror

:31:00.:31:06.

attack in Manchester, in which 22 people were killed.

:31:07.:31:10.

They've already come in for criticism on both sides

:31:11.:31:12.

And he's expected to say Labour would make

:31:13.:31:15.

Theresa May is to purge the leaders of the world's leading nations to do

:31:16.:31:35.

more to tackle extremism online. Leaders including Donald Trump and

:31:36.:31:40.

Emmanuel Macron of France, and Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel,

:31:41.:31:42.

will discuss issues including global security, trade and climate change.

:31:43.:31:48.

A baby has died after being found in a car during one of the hottest

:31:49.:31:52.

The seven-month-old girl was unresponsive when discovered

:31:53.:31:56.

in the vehicle in Dundrum village in County Tipperary

:31:57.:31:58.

She was airlifted to hospital but medics were unable to revive her.

:31:59.:32:02.

The baby was the only child of a local couple,

:32:03.:32:05.

and the incident is being treated as a tragedy.

:32:06.:32:09.

Travellers through Gatwick airport are suffering major

:32:10.:32:11.

problems with baggage disruption this morning.

:32:12.:32:12.

One passenger has said the situation is 'chaos'.

:32:13.:32:14.

Gatwick Airport has apologised for delays at check-in.

:32:15.:32:22.

The US media is reporting President Trump's son-in-law

:32:23.:32:28.

and senior White House adviser Jared Kushner is under

:32:29.:32:30.

The inquiry is into Russian interference

:32:31.:32:33.

Reports say investigators believe Mr Kushner may have significant

:32:34.:32:37.

information relevant to their work, but this does not necessarily mean

:32:38.:32:40.

An SOS signal made of rocks in a remote part of Western Australia

:32:41.:32:48.

has prompted fears that someone, or more than one person,

:32:49.:32:50.

The distress signal was spotted by a helicopter pilot,

:32:51.:32:54.

leading to a ground search by police, who had to reach the area

:32:55.:32:58.

Authorities have now appealed for public help after failing

:32:59.:33:03.

to find any indication of recent human activity.

:33:04.:33:06.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 10am.

:33:07.:33:14.

Paralympic sprint Champion Jonny Peacock says sport can help show

:33:15.:33:31.

The Great City Games in Manchester will go ahead in Manchester today

:33:32.:33:38.

among heightened security in the city.

:33:39.:33:39.

Manchester City's women beat Chelsea 1-0 in the first

:33:40.:33:45.

significant sporting event to take place in Manchester,

:33:46.:33:47.

Hull City say they are "disappointed" at Marco's Silva's

:33:48.:33:50.

Silva, who has been linked with a host of jobs in England

:33:51.:33:54.

and Europe, has left the club following their relegation

:33:55.:33:56.

That is all the sport for now, we will be back with more just after

:33:57.:33:59.

10am. Lots of you getting in touch about

:34:00.:34:04.

security concerns ahead of the bank holiday weekend, many events going

:34:05.:34:07.

ahead, we were just talking to people taking part in the Great

:34:08.:34:11.

Manchester Run. We have had a tweet saying, going ahead with the run is

:34:12.:34:14.

reckless, cancel it! Too much of a soft target. Matt has

:34:15.:34:19.

text in to say, many of my friends are doing the 10k run, we are

:34:20.:34:23.

students at the University of Manchester, they are concerned and

:34:24.:34:27.

we have got exams next week. Another

:34:28.:34:43.

says, I will be volunteering at the Great Manchester Run. I and others,

:34:44.:34:47.

I am in two minds as to whether the run should have gone ahead. It is OK

:34:48.:34:51.

for people to save we have to carry on, but do they feel like carrying

:34:52.:34:54.

on? I can't imagine how I would feel losing someone that I loved.

:34:55.:34:55.

Passengers at Gatwick Airport have been facing long queues

:34:56.:34:57.

and disruption morning, after a problem with

:34:58.:34:59.

One traveller described the scene as 'chaos', with some planes

:35:00.:35:02.

With me is our correspondent Andy Moore.

:35:03.:35:05.

You would not be very happy if you were going on holiday before the

:35:06.:35:08.

bank holiday and half-time without a suitcase, what is going on?

:35:09.:35:12.

A busy day for the airport, when you turn up and checked in, you check in

:35:13.:35:15.

your suitcase and it goes off on the automated baggage system to the

:35:16.:35:19.

aircraft, that has broken down so they have to revert to a manual

:35:20.:35:23.

system. That is causing a lot of problems and delays, a lot of cues,

:35:24.:35:27.

and it means planes are taking off on time but some people are being

:35:28.:35:39.

told their suitcases are not on that plane, so a lot of people angry

:35:40.:35:40.

about that. The priority for the airline is to

:35:41.:35:43.

get the plane off on time and the baggage follows afterwards?

:35:44.:35:45.

Yes, the airline is saying that when the system is fixed to the baggage

:35:46.:35:49.

will be put on the next available plane and you will be reunited with

:35:50.:35:53.

its doing. They said they are trying to resolve it as soon as possible

:35:54.:35:57.

but it has not been fixed yet. It is affecting a lot of airlines,

:35:58.:36:01.

EasyJet, one of the biggest, have issued a statement to their

:36:02.:36:03.

customers saying a number of flights are departing without all of the

:36:04.:36:09.

luggage in the hold, EasyJet takes well-being of passengers very

:36:10.:36:11.

seriously and they are working closely with Apple to return luggage

:36:12.:36:15.

to passengers as soon as possible. It is worth emphasising this is

:36:16.:36:20.

people leaving the airport, North and South terminals, it does not

:36:21.:36:24.

seem to be affecting incoming passengers so if you are arriving at

:36:25.:36:27.

Gatwick you should be able to bind your luggage OK.

:36:28.:36:31.

Any idea how long it will last? The Allied has been saying all

:36:32.:36:35.

morning they are working to resolve it as quickly as possible but at the

:36:36.:36:38.

moment it is still not fixed. Thank you for telling us about that.

:36:39.:36:41.

Coming up... Former England captain and Newcastle

:36:42.:36:43.

striker Alan Shearer talks to us about security at football matches

:36:44.:36:46.

and the upcoming FA Cup final. Before Monday's terror

:36:47.:36:53.

attack, the election But the tragic events stopped it

:36:54.:36:55.

immediately in its track. Politicians put their differences

:36:56.:37:03.

aside as a mark of respect and this morning all of the main parties will

:37:04.:37:07.

begin campaigning again, but how will be terror attack have changed

:37:08.:37:08.

things? Let's talk now to Joe

:37:09.:37:12.

Twyman from YouGov. He says a terrorist attack amidst

:37:13.:37:13.

an election is a "political tightrope that is hard

:37:14.:37:16.

for anyone to walk". Charlie Cooper is political

:37:17.:37:18.

correspondent for Politico magazine. And Polly Mackenzie was a special

:37:19.:37:20.

advisor to former Deputy Prime Thank you all for coming in to speak

:37:21.:37:30.

to us. Charlie, I want to ask first of all, how much do you think the

:37:31.:37:34.

tone of this campaign is going to change in light of the awful events

:37:35.:37:38.

in Manchester? I think when we look back at this election, we will see

:37:39.:37:44.

that the terrible events in Manchester on Monday will completely

:37:45.:37:48.

overshadow it. We spoke to a Labour MP in Manchester visit, you want to

:37:49.:37:51.

be upbeat on the doorstep and present a positive vision. He said

:37:52.:37:57.

it is impossible to bring that to the campaign in the shadow of this

:37:58.:38:00.

event so it will completely change the mood, I am sure. Polly, you were

:38:01.:38:06.

a special adviser to Nick Clegg. How do politicians play this? As Charlie

:38:07.:38:10.

said, you don't want to be too upbeat, you don't want to go for the

:38:11.:38:14.

jugular as you might have done against political opponents, is this

:38:15.:38:18.

about having more unity? As Charlie said, the tone will be more subdued,

:38:19.:38:24.

politicians, especially front bench politicians, won't want to be seen

:38:25.:38:29.

to make political hay out of a terrible murder, murderous attack,

:38:30.:38:33.

but nevertheless we do see Jeremy Corbyn today coming out with a

:38:34.:38:38.

speech talking about who is to blame and the complex causality of

:38:39.:38:42.

international terrorism, trying to sort of capitalise on it in a way

:38:43.:38:47.

that is not just blaming the other party, and actually you see at the

:38:48.:38:50.

grassroots and probably in the social media the invisible campaign

:38:51.:38:54.

that is going on, lots more much more aggressive campaigning, where

:38:55.:38:58.

people are playing the blame game. Joe, let's talk about the Ueberroth

:38:59.:39:09.

poll -- you golf poll. In public opinion terms we have entered a

:39:10.:39:13.

third stage of the election, the first was dominated by Theresa May

:39:14.:39:16.

and the Conservatives, after that and after the issue around social

:39:17.:39:20.

care, we saw Jeremy Corbyn and Labour close the gap on the

:39:21.:39:24.

Conservatives, and now most recently we are entering this new stage with

:39:25.:39:29.

the Conservatives now five points ahead, and that is down on where

:39:30.:39:33.

they were last time but this is the first poll that has been conducted

:39:34.:39:40.

since the attack. Is it also the first one since the social care

:39:41.:39:43.

U-turn so I guess you could have gone lower in people's ideas,

:39:44.:39:47.

Theresa May, and then come back? When you look at the underlying

:39:48.:39:52.

data, not just voting intention but things like leadership ratings, you

:39:53.:39:56.

see that the gap continued to close between Labour and the

:39:57.:39:59.

Conservatives, between Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May, but then it opened

:40:00.:40:03.

back up again, so it suggests that at the moment there is a slight bit

:40:04.:40:14.

of momentum in favour of Theresa May. The question we have is how

:40:15.:40:17.

long will this last? It is impossible to know. The next few

:40:18.:40:19.

days will be crucial with the kinds of announcements we are talking

:40:20.:40:22.

about, and the poll that we have coming out on Sunday will offer an

:40:23.:40:24.

indication of whether this momentum is being maintained, whether this

:40:25.:40:26.

third stage will favour the Conservatives or whether we are

:40:27.:40:30.

entering a new moment. Charlie, these comments by Jeremy Corbyn

:40:31.:40:34.

today, he will make a speech later on saying there is a direct

:40:35.:40:37.

correlation between foreign policy in the UK and what happens on our

:40:38.:40:42.

streets. Do you think that is a wise move by him? The Conservatives have

:40:43.:40:47.

said it is inappropriate right now. I think it will resonate with some

:40:48.:40:52.

people, but I think a better strategy would have been to get back

:40:53.:40:57.

to what they were talking about before this horrible attack because,

:40:58.:41:01.

as we have seen in the polls, their manifesto commitment on scrapping

:41:02.:41:05.

tuition fees, the ?10 minimum wage, on more money for the NHS, that was

:41:06.:41:11.

cutting through and it was popular, whereas the Conservative manifesto

:41:12.:41:14.

debacle around social care really hit Theresa May, and I think it

:41:15.:41:18.

would have been better to get back to the strong territory they were on

:41:19.:41:20.

prior to this awful attack on Monday. After the attack, I

:41:21.:41:40.

wonder from each of you whether you think there will be more now on

:41:41.:41:43.

leadership, because often in a time of tragedy in this country people

:41:44.:41:45.

are looking for a strong leader and we know that Theresa May is going

:41:46.:41:48.

for the strong and stable method, does it play into her hands? I think

:41:49.:41:51.

it has do, you don't have to look hard on the leadership ratings to

:41:52.:41:54.

see Theresa May outperforms on those. Some of Labour's spending and

:41:55.:41:56.

public service messages were working for them. If this is an election

:41:57.:41:59.

where, on election day at the ballot box, people are thinking about

:42:00.:42:01.

leadership, they will choose Theresa May. The Labour numbers are

:42:02.:42:06.

fascinating but probably quite soft. There is a lot of historical data

:42:07.:42:10.

that shows when it comes to specific policies, that is not what people

:42:11.:42:14.

vote, instead it is the broad narratives that we tell ourselves

:42:15.:42:17.

and each other about leadership, trust, unity, all these things, and

:42:18.:42:22.

this has been the focus of the Conservative campaign throughout the

:42:23.:42:24.

campaign period. Labour, on the other hand, tried to build buzz on

:42:25.:42:31.

specific policies. It worked well when Theresa May and her abilities

:42:32.:42:34.

were called into question around the issue of social care, but it wasn't

:42:35.:42:39.

the issue of social care that was causing the change but the

:42:40.:42:42.

questioning of her strength and stability. I think it is inevitable

:42:43.:42:46.

that in a time of heightened anxiety voters are more likely to go with

:42:47.:42:52.

what they know, which will be beneficial for any incumbent,

:42:53.:42:54.

particularly one that markets themselves as strong and stable,

:42:55.:42:58.

strong and stable, so it may be an advantage for Theresa May, I don't

:42:59.:43:01.

think she is planning to exploit in any specific way but it will be the

:43:02.:43:05.

way people feel after such a horrible event as Monday. We have

:43:06.:43:09.

got a couple of weeks before election day. I have travelled up

:43:10.:43:13.

and down the country in the last few weeks speaking to voters, sitting

:43:14.:43:23.

down and having conversations with voters, and everywhere I go, whether

:43:24.:43:25.

Scotland, Northern Ireland, North of England, South of England, people

:43:26.:43:27.

are saying, this is about Brexit. That was prior to Monday's attack.

:43:28.:43:31.

Do you think everyone now will shift toward security? If you look at Jo

:43:32.:43:36.

Cox's murder ahead of the Brexit event, many people thought it would

:43:37.:43:40.

be a tribute to Jo Cox to vote Remain but that did not happen. I

:43:41.:43:45.

think what happened after Jo Cox in terms of the election campaign was

:43:46.:43:48.

that it just went down a notch in terms of volume but the messages

:43:49.:43:51.

were still out there on the doorstep and it didn't change anything. Over

:43:52.:44:01.

the course of the next two weeks, it is amazing, people think it is the

:44:02.:44:05.

Brexit campaign but the national politicians have not been talking

:44:06.:44:08.

about Brexit particularly, it has been much more about social care and

:44:09.:44:12.

public services. I think the Conservatives will, as we head

:44:13.:44:16.

towards polling day, try to pull it back to security, Brexit at those

:44:17.:44:21.

things where they do really well. What is ironic is that it is much

:44:22.:44:25.

easier to defend security if we are part of Europe, Europol and the

:44:26.:44:28.

European arrest warrant, but they will try not to mention that. I

:44:29.:44:33.

spoke to people in Manchester about this topic, how it will affect how

:44:34.:44:37.

they vote, but a lot of people did not make that connection, they

:44:38.:44:43.

thought it is above politics and God immediately on to questions like

:44:44.:44:46.

leadership and policies so I think there will be an extent to which

:44:47.:44:50.

people put the tragedy of Monday in a different category in their mind

:44:51.:44:54.

to the election. When you ask people what they vote on, there is a

:44:55.:44:58.

multitude of answers people give and Brexit is the most important issue

:44:59.:45:02.

facing the country, according to our polls, but the questions people ask

:45:03.:45:07.

themselves, even when they are in the polling booths, who do I

:45:08.:45:19.

trust, who do I think will do the right thing for this country, who do

:45:20.:45:23.

I think can do the right thing for people like me? Those are the kinds

:45:24.:45:26.

of questions each of the parties will attempt to provide answers for

:45:27.:45:29.

between now and election day. How many people make that decision in

:45:30.:45:31.

the polling booths? I have spoken to so many people who have said, I

:45:32.:45:34.

probably won't decide until I get there. It is different this time

:45:35.:45:36.

around because last time the country had five years, the voters and

:45:37.:45:39.

country had five years to prepare, this time we have had five weeks.

:45:40.:45:42.

There is a lot more movement in the polls this time as people go from,

:45:43.:45:46.

actually, this is happening, this is real, I'm starting to think about

:45:47.:45:50.

this and engage with this, and what we have seen it a reduction in the

:45:51.:45:54.

numbers of people saying they don't know who they will vote for,

:45:55.:45:57.

particularly among former voters from Labour in 2015, and that could

:45:58.:46:02.

be crucial because it is not just about voting intention but

:46:03.:46:20.

whether people choose to turn out to vote or not. Another thing I want to

:46:21.:46:24.

mention is police cuts, Jeremy Corbyn will pick up on that today

:46:25.:46:27.

saying the likes of Monday's attack may not have happened if there had

:46:28.:46:29.

been more money given to police, Amber Rudd saying last night on

:46:30.:46:32.

Question Time, the Home Secretary, these are two very different things.

:46:33.:46:34.

It is unfortunate that one of the things that has cut through in this

:46:35.:46:37.

election is Diane Abbott making a mess of her announcement of more

:46:38.:46:39.

police. People are sceptical of this narrative that crime is falling even

:46:40.:46:41.

though police numbers are falling but nonetheless it doesn't quite get

:46:42.:46:44.

up to the level of votes winding decision, I don't think. I agree, it

:46:45.:46:52.

is not just Jeremy Corbyn saying police cuts are concerned, the

:46:53.:46:55.

Police Federation... They would say that. They would, they warned two

:46:56.:47:03.

years ago, even cuts in community policing could affect intelligence

:47:04.:47:09.

gathering so Labour have something just a point there but I don't think

:47:10.:47:12.

it will cut through this late in the campaign. It is an extraordinarily

:47:13.:47:16.

difficult time for people, whether Conservative or Labour, they have to

:47:17.:47:19.

think carefully how they address this in the next few days. Thank you

:47:20.:47:23.

all very much, we are out of time but I appreciate you speaking to us.

:47:24.:47:28.

The attack on Monday has cast a long shadow over sport this week.

:47:29.:47:31.

In an emotional night in Stockholm, Manchester United won

:47:32.:47:33.

the Europa League and this weekend troops will join police in a tightly

:47:34.:47:37.

controlled operation for the FA Cup Final at Wembley.

:47:38.:47:39.

90,000 fans will head to the stadium in North London to watch

:47:40.:47:42.

Arsene Wenger's Arsenal take on Antonio Conte's Premier

:47:43.:47:44.

We can chat about that more now with former England captain

:47:45.:47:50.

Allen, thank you for coming in. Before we can talk about the

:47:51.:48:01.

football, we need to talk about what has happened in Manchester this

:48:02.:48:04.

week. Many people will be heading to the FA Cup final at Wembley and

:48:05.:48:12.

security will be a worry for them. Absolutely, not only will it be on

:48:13.:48:15.

their minds tomorrow, but it will be on our minds for the rest of our

:48:16.:48:20.

lives because of what has gone on in Manchester this week and my heart

:48:21.:48:25.

goes out to everyone who has been affected by it. Trying to get back

:48:26.:48:28.

to some normality with a football match is going to be very difficult.

:48:29.:48:33.

After all football is irrelevant, but we have got to try and somehow

:48:34.:48:38.

concentrate on the match which I think will be very difficult for a

:48:39.:48:43.

lot of people. When we look at football it has not been immune,

:48:44.:48:48.

sadly. If you look back to 2015 and the suicide attacks in France. Do

:48:49.:48:53.

you think more needs to be done to secure football stadiums? It is so

:48:54.:48:56.

difficult when you have got tens of thousands of people in one area. It

:48:57.:49:03.

is difficult to step up the security. People have to be vigilant

:49:04.:49:07.

and look out, but when there are thousands of supporting people at a

:49:08.:49:12.

sporting event on their way in and on their way out, not necessarily in

:49:13.:49:16.

the stadium, it is difficult to police. Do you think clubs need to

:49:17.:49:20.

take more responsibility? You can have security in the stadium, but as

:49:21.:49:27.

the public get outside, is it the public's responsibility to do more

:49:28.:49:33.

or the club's responsibility? It is up to everyone to be vigilant. I

:49:34.:49:38.

think it is difficult and I have got sympathy because there are so many

:49:39.:49:41.

thousands of people there walking in and out. It is difficult for the

:49:42.:49:45.

police to look after that. Let's talk about the football. Arsenal

:49:46.:49:53.

need this. Fifth in the Premier League, no Champions League football

:49:54.:49:57.

for the first time in 20 years. Yes, they need a trophy. I am still not

:49:58.:50:02.

certain that will appease a lot of the Arsenal fans. Even if they win

:50:03.:50:07.

that game tomorrow, they will be saying things about Arsene Wenger's

:50:08.:50:11.

feature. But some of the players have hidden behind that as an excuse

:50:12.:50:16.

this season and it has affected the team and the decision whether he is

:50:17.:50:20.

staying or going because at times their performance on the pitch has

:50:21.:50:24.

not been good enough this season. Chelsea will go into the game full

:50:25.:50:28.

of confidence after winning the league, so it should be a good game.

:50:29.:50:34.

Problems for Arsenal defensively, all manner of problems going on. Not

:50:35.:50:40.

only defensively, they have got injury concerns. Alexis Sanchez came

:50:41.:50:44.

on we think maybe with a hamstring injury seven days or so ago. Yes,

:50:45.:50:49.

they have got one or two problems going into the game. But they should

:50:50.:50:55.

not use that as an excuse. They have got to go and put a performance in

:50:56.:50:59.

to win the trophy for the manager. How hard would it be? Chelsea are

:51:00.:51:05.

flying high, they have got no injuries and Antonio Conte has done

:51:06.:51:08.

what so many people thought he could never do. He has had a magnificent

:51:09.:51:12.

season. He has connected that dressing room again because it was

:51:13.:51:16.

all over the place when he took the job. All the decisions he has made

:51:17.:51:25.

this evening, leaving players in and out, the talk of Diego Costa going

:51:26.:51:31.

to China, I think he has handled it perfectly all season. No injury

:51:32.:51:34.

concerns, they go into the game full of confidence and they will be on a

:51:35.:51:39.

high. Your money is on Chelsea? Yes, if I were supporting the team, but,

:51:40.:51:45.

I want a great game and lows of goals, but I think Chelsea will win.

:51:46.:51:51.

You have said the question hanging over Arsene Wenger has been a real

:51:52.:51:54.

problem this season. He has said he did not know whether he would be the

:51:55.:51:59.

manager, Sunday. No one can ever deny his love or his passion for

:52:00.:52:04.

that football club and how successful he has been, but there is

:52:05.:52:08.

no doubt about it that the lack of decision making, whether he is

:52:09.:52:12.

staying or going, has affected the club and performances on the pitch.

:52:13.:52:19.

That has been a real concern. I cannot understand, and a lot of

:52:20.:52:22.

people cannot understand, what is going on behind the scenes, whether

:52:23.:52:28.

he is staying or going. But his players owe him a performance

:52:29.:52:31.

tomorrow and they need to go out and win the FA Cup. Should he have

:52:32.:52:35.

walked earlier in the season? Should he have said because of the sake of

:52:36.:52:41.

the club, it is a distraction, I am going? I do not think he should have

:52:42.:52:46.

walked at all. I would never say and manager of his stature and a manager

:52:47.:52:51.

who has been so successful at that football club should have been

:52:52.:52:55.

sacked or he should walk. He will make the decision for what he feels

:52:56.:52:59.

is right. There is a huge divide within the camp and the fans at

:53:00.:53:06.

Arsenal, what they want him to do. It is very difficult seeing a man of

:53:07.:53:10.

his ability and his stature being criticised as much as he has done

:53:11.:53:14.

because of what he has done for the football club. Let's talk about some

:53:15.:53:20.

of the big names. Concerns for next season when you are seeing the likes

:53:21.:53:25.

of Alexis Sanchez and Mesut Ozil might not be there. That is a

:53:26.:53:29.

greater worry for the Arsenal fans. At the minute all they should focus

:53:30.:53:34.

on is putting in a performance for the manager at the FA Cup final.

:53:35.:53:39.

Then they sort out their issues after the game. You have mentioned

:53:40.:53:43.

Alexis Sanchez and Mesut Ozil, they are two of the players, maybe more

:53:44.:53:47.

so Mesut Ozil because he has scored goals and been one of the best

:53:48.:53:52.

players, but he needs to go out and perform in one of the big games

:53:53.:53:56.

against one of the big clubs. What is it like playing in an FA Cup

:53:57.:54:02.

final? It is brilliant but only if you win it. I did not want to

:54:03.:54:07.

mention that. I am not so sure I was lucky, but I played at Wembley in

:54:08.:54:12.

two FA Cup finals and came out on the wrong side. Wembley is only a

:54:13.:54:16.

place for winners. You are a professional. It should not make any

:54:17.:54:20.

difference whether you are playing against Hull on a cold Monday night

:54:21.:54:26.

or in an FA Cup final, but you must feel it? You feel the excitement,

:54:27.:54:30.

there is a huge buzz around the stadium and it has been going on all

:54:31.:54:35.

week now. As a player you want to get out and onto the pitch and start

:54:36.:54:39.

the 90 minutes and hopefully come out on the right side. Do you read

:54:40.:54:44.

the papers or watch interviews in the run-up, or does it distract you

:54:45.:54:49.

as a player? I did not mind reading newspapers or watching TV and the

:54:50.:54:56.

build-up, I enjoyed it. But there is pressure? Pressure should not affect

:54:57.:55:01.

you, you are used to playing in big games. A lot of these players play

:55:02.:55:05.

for the national side and have been successful before and they have won

:55:06.:55:09.

league titles and FA Cups. That should not affect them at all.

:55:10.:55:15.

Chelsea, looking ahead, you would expect them to win tomorrow, a great

:55:16.:55:20.

first season for Antonio Conte. Do they need to bring players in or do

:55:21.:55:25.

they stick with what they have got? I think they will improve. I think

:55:26.:55:29.

they will go out and make signings. You have to do that as a football

:55:30.:55:34.

club, particularly when you have been successful, and Chelsea will go

:55:35.:55:39.

out and spend a fortune, very much like the other big clubs will. I

:55:40.:55:43.

think they will sign two or three big hitters to improve their team.

:55:44.:55:49.

So, tomorrow, what does a day in tail for footballers as they head

:55:50.:55:54.

out? Do they keep the same routine? I am interested to know how you

:55:55.:56:00.

prepare. You get up and make the day as normal as possible, but it is

:56:01.:56:04.

that little bit more special. You will have your pre-match and your

:56:05.:56:08.

breakfast and you might go for a walk. The manager will go through

:56:09.:56:13.

the team talk and the set pieces again to remind you as a player. But

:56:14.:56:17.

once you walk out of the tunnel and cross the white line, it is up to

:56:18.:56:22.

the players, they have to perform. What do Arsenal need to do? Is it an

:56:23.:56:28.

early goal against Chelsea? Sometimes these FA Cup finals are

:56:29.:56:33.

hyped. You have got two fantastic side and it can be a bit of a damp

:56:34.:56:38.

squib. I do not think it is in the nature of these teams to sit back.

:56:39.:56:43.

Both will try and get an early feel of the ball and keep possession. It

:56:44.:56:48.

is vital for Arsenal that they do not concede early. There will be

:56:49.:56:52.

some negativity around, so they will try and feel their way into the

:56:53.:56:57.

game. They will get a good pass to set up their confidence. All in all

:56:58.:57:01.

because of the players on show, I think it should be very good

:57:02.:57:11.

spectacle I and hoping so anyway. Extra needle because of the size?

:57:12.:57:16.

You desperately want to win the game. These teams have begun the

:57:17.:57:21.

competition in January and they both have been working hard for this and

:57:22.:57:25.

you do not want to let your fans down. Let's get the latest weather.

:57:26.:57:34.

I am scared to say this. It is a bank holiday weekend, is the rain

:57:35.:57:35.

coming? It is, but it is a bit more

:57:36.:57:47.

complicated. It will change. There are thunderstorms on the way, but

:57:48.:57:52.

there is dry weather to be had as well. I will give you all the

:57:53.:57:56.

details in the next couple of minutes. There is a fair bit going

:57:57.:58:01.

on, but not much has changed just yet. For the time being we have got

:58:02.:58:06.

plenty of dry weather and sunshine across England, Wales, sunny skies

:58:07.:58:14.

in Northern Ireland and up across Scotland there is sunshine to be

:58:15.:58:20.

had. Yesterday in Aberdeen we got up to 28 degrees. Parts of northern

:58:21.:58:24.

Scotland today could have the hottest weather, potentially as high

:58:25.:58:29.

as 30 degrees. Sunny skies for all of us. A bit breezy and cooler close

:58:30.:58:34.

to the coasts. Whether you have a breeze or not, the sun is strong

:58:35.:58:38.

with particularly high UV levels at the moment. Along the south coast

:58:39.:58:49.

temperatures might be pegged back. Inland it is 28 or 29. Later on in

:58:50.:58:57.

the day this is the first sign of change. Scotland stays largely dry

:58:58.:59:02.

again. 30 degrees is possible potentially for Caithness and

:59:03.:59:07.

Sutherland. Many of us will have a fine evening and dry night. But out

:59:08.:59:12.

west these are gathering and beginning to bear down on us and

:59:13.:59:18.

they get into Northern Ireland by the end of the night. That is the

:59:19.:59:24.

storyboard tomorrow, areas of heavy, thundery downpours courtesy of this

:59:25.:59:30.

low pressure. This will be moving northwards and eastwards across

:59:31.:59:34.

England and Wales. Behind them things will dry up again with some

:59:35.:59:38.

sunshine. There could be more persistent rain in Northern Ireland

:59:39.:59:44.

and Scotland. Things will turn a bit pressure from the West. But in the

:59:45.:59:52.

South East it will be 27 in London. Northern Scotland in the high 20s

:59:53.:59:58.

again. On Sunday there is plenty of dry and fine weather. It will be a

:59:59.:00:03.

bit pressure, but some thunderstorms working their way up from the south

:00:04.:00:07.

and there could be heavy thundery rain on Sunday night and into

:00:08.:00:12.

Monday. Then we will see some sunny spells returning and by this stage

:00:13.:00:19.

it is fresh air, but potentially humid in the South East. To sum

:00:20.:00:24.

things up, it is a bit more mixed on this bank holiday than we have had

:00:25.:00:30.

over the past couple of days. There will be some sunshine, but thundery

:00:31.:00:33.

downpours as well and over the weekend it will turn a bit fresher.

:00:34.:00:44.

Hello, it's Friday, it's 10am, I'm Chloe Tilly.

:00:45.:00:46.

The war on terror is not working, says Jeremy Corbyn.

:00:47.:00:49.

The Labour leader says he's promising change

:00:50.:00:51.

But the Conservatives have criticised his comments.

:00:52.:00:54.

I think Jeremy Corbyn's comments are totally

:00:55.:00:56.

Police say eight men arrested in connection with Monday's attack in

:00:57.:01:06.

Manchester are all suspected of terror offences and aged between 18

:01:07.:01:17.

and 38. We will have the latest. Plus, Theresa May is expected to

:01:18.:01:24.

urge G-7 leaders to do more to tackle online extremism.

:01:25.:01:28.

Also in the programme, we'll have the extraordinary story

:01:29.:01:30.

of a how a man who was abandoned as a baby tracked down his

:01:31.:01:33.

siblings with nothing more than a sample of his DNA.

:01:34.:01:35.

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:01:36.:01:47.

Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn is expected to give a speech shortly in

:01:48.:01:53.

which he links terrorism in the UK to military action abroad. He makes

:01:54.:01:58.

the comment as campaigning resumes after the attack in Manchester. Our

:01:59.:02:03.

assistant political editor Norman Smith will be at the speech for us

:02:04.:02:08.

with all of the details. Greater Manchester Police have in

:02:09.:02:11.

the last two minutes at eight men arrested in connection with the

:02:12.:02:15.

Manchester bomb attacks are all suspected of terror offences and are

:02:16.:02:20.

aged between 18 and 38. Overnight there was another arrest and more

:02:21.:02:23.

police searches, including at an address in the St Helens area of

:02:24.:02:28.

Merseyside, as police continue investigations into a possible wider

:02:29.:02:31.

network. A 16-year-old boy has been released without charge.

:02:32.:02:37.

Armed police have begun patrolling national rail services following

:02:38.:02:41.

Monday's terror attack. It is the first time firearms officers have

:02:42.:02:44.

been deployed on British Railways although there have been controlled

:02:45.:02:47.

on London Underground since December. The terror threat remains

:02:48.:02:51.

at critical meaning security services believe another attack

:02:52.:02:52.

could be imminent. Theresa May is to urge

:02:53.:02:54.

the leaders of the world's most developed nations to do more

:02:55.:02:57.

to tackle extremism online. She's to make a speech

:02:58.:02:59.

at the G7 summit of leading Our diplomatic correspondent

:03:00.:03:01.

James Landale reports. Theresa May is to purge the leaders

:03:02.:03:05.

of the world's leading nations to do Her first G-7 summit is a rare

:03:06.:03:18.

chance for her and six other leaders to discuss the worlds problems

:03:19.:03:19.

face-to-face around the table. And, as they gather in the ancient

:03:20.:03:23.

coastal town of Taormina, Above all from Donald Trump,

:03:24.:03:26.

who has made his doubts about multilateral groups

:03:27.:03:30.

like this well-known. At this summit, as ever,

:03:31.:03:32.

they'll discuss world trade, climate change, migration from north

:03:33.:03:35.

Africa across these very seas. But, after the events of recent

:03:36.:03:38.

days, almost inevitably the focus will be the fight

:03:39.:03:40.

against global terrorism. Theresa May will sit down formally

:03:41.:03:44.

with the US President, and discuss not just those leaks

:03:45.:03:47.

from the Manchester bombing investigation but how she, he,

:03:48.:03:52.

and other G7 leaders can work together to fight extremism

:03:53.:03:55.

and terror plots online, with internet firms doing more,

:03:56.:03:57.

and a new international forum, I suspect Theresa May will say,

:03:58.:04:01.

"Look, let's all agree that we need a totally joined-up security effort,

:04:02.:04:06.

of the sort we have within the United Kingdom,

:04:07.:04:10.

amongst the G7 as a whole." But, if there is agreement among

:04:11.:04:18.

these heads of government over terror, they may fall out over other

:04:19.:04:21.

issues - international trade, climate change and global migration,

:04:22.:04:23.

areas where Mr Trump's smiles are not matched

:04:24.:04:26.

by his G7 colleagues. Travellers through Gatwick

:04:27.:04:27.

airport are suffering major problems with baggage

:04:28.:04:37.

disruption this morning. One passenger has said

:04:38.:04:40.

the situation is 'chaos'. Gatwick Airport has apologised

:04:41.:04:42.

for delays at check in. It says some flights

:04:43.:04:45.

are departing without bags, and that they'll be forwarded

:04:46.:04:47.

to passenger destinations. A baby has died after being found

:04:48.:04:52.

in a car during one of the hottest The seven-month-old girl

:04:53.:04:56.

was unresponsive when discovered in the vehicle in Dundrum village

:04:57.:04:59.

in County Tipperary She was airlifted to hospital but

:05:00.:05:01.

medics were unable to revive her. The baby was the only

:05:02.:05:07.

child of a local couple, There are reports that

:05:08.:05:11.

President Trump's son-in-law and senior White House adviser

:05:12.:05:13.

Jared Kushner is under Reports say in the US media say that

:05:14.:05:15.

investigators believe Mr Kushner may have significant information

:05:16.:05:19.

relevant to their inquiry into alleged Russian interference

:05:20.:05:21.

in last year's election. Scientists say new observations

:05:22.:05:27.

of the planet Jupiter have They have been studying detailed

:05:28.:05:29.

photographs sent back to earth Researchers say they have been

:05:30.:05:35.

amazed by the storms Dozens of hurricanes,

:05:36.:05:38.

each the size of Earth, An SOS signal made of rocks in

:05:39.:05:45.

a remote part of Western Australia has prompted fears that someone,

:05:46.:05:52.

or more than one person, The distress signal was spotted

:05:53.:05:55.

by a helicopter pilot, leading to a ground search

:05:56.:05:58.

by police, who had to reach the area Authorities have now appealed

:05:59.:06:01.

for public help after failing to find any indication

:06:02.:06:07.

of recent human activity. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:06:08.:06:12.

News - more at 10.30am. In a few minutes we will be speaking

:06:13.:06:25.

to a man who was reunited with his half siblings simply through a DNA

:06:26.:06:28.

sample, it is an incredible story. We will speak to the DNA detective

:06:29.:06:32.

who was involved in that, so do staging.

:06:33.:06:33.

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:06:34.:06:35.

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:06:36.:06:39.

Manchester will use sport as a way of 'showing its strength'

:06:40.:06:49.

after the terrible attack in the city earlier this week.

:06:50.:06:51.

At the weekend the Great Manchester Run will go ahead as planned.

:06:52.:06:54.

As will today's Great City Games - it sees international stars such

:06:55.:06:58.

as Great Britain's Paralympic champion Jonnie Peacock take

:06:59.:07:00.

part in events right in the heart of the city.

:07:01.:07:03.

Despite the heightened security, Peacock believes

:07:04.:07:05.

These events are the ones that we need, we need to show

:07:06.:07:16.

that it doesn't stop us, I think that's what we show

:07:17.:07:19.

great in this country, what we do a great job

:07:20.:07:21.

of is we will wake up the next day, get on with our lives,

:07:22.:07:27.

stand up, go to our jobs, turned up to events and show

:07:28.:07:30.

our support together, and I think it is the absolute

:07:31.:07:32.

opposite response to what everyone wants but it is amazing

:07:33.:07:35.

The first significant sporting event since Monday's attack took place

:07:36.:07:42.

There was increased security at the Academy Stadium,

:07:43.:07:45.

as Manchester City hosted Chelsea in the Women's Superleague

:07:46.:07:47.

A Toni Duggan goal gave City a 1-0 win, a result which moves them

:07:48.:07:51.

into second place in the table, just a point behind

:07:52.:07:54.

Wayne Rooney says he is more or less decided about as Manchester United

:07:55.:08:04.

future but won't say what that is for another two weeks. As for his

:08:05.:08:08.

international career, it looks to be coming to a close. The England

:08:09.:08:14.

record scorer has been left out once again by the head coach, Gareth

:08:15.:08:17.

Southgate. He named his squad to face Scotland in France next month.

:08:18.:08:21.

Rooney has been a bit part player in his club side this season. His

:08:22.:08:25.

former club Everton or the Chinese Super League are possible

:08:26.:08:28.

destinations if he leaves Old Trafford.

:08:29.:08:35.

The former England captain Alan Shearer spoke to our programme

:08:36.:08:39.

today and says he's not sure victory for Arsenal in tomorrow's FA Cup

:08:40.:08:42.

final against Chelsea would appease the club's fans.

:08:43.:08:44.

The club finished fifth in the Premier League season,

:08:45.:08:46.

missing out on the Champions League for the first time in 20 years

:08:47.:08:50.

and Arsene Wenger, their manager, has still not clarified his future.

:08:51.:08:58.

Arsenal Midfielder Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain disagrees.

:08:59.:09:02.

We have given ourselves to win a trophy and when you are in football

:09:03.:09:06.

winning trophies is what it is about. It would be a bonus of the

:09:07.:09:10.

season to finish on a more positive note. We wanted to finish higher up

:09:11.:09:14.

the league, there is no doubting that, we cannot hide from that, we

:09:15.:09:19.

need look to that, but it is a big trophy and one that we want to win

:09:20.:09:23.

and definitely it would boost morale going into next season.

:09:24.:09:27.

That match will be on BBC One tomorrow afternoon. That is all the

:09:28.:09:30.

sport for now, back to you. We will speak to you again in a

:09:31.:09:34.

while. If you are heading to Gatwick

:09:35.:09:37.

Airport you will be pleased to hear that a spokesman for the airport has

:09:38.:09:40.

said the problem with the automated baggage system has been fixed and

:09:41.:09:44.

they are working to remedy the disruption caused by the backlog of

:09:45.:09:47.

luggage. He said airlines will be forwarding passengers' luggage to

:09:48.:09:51.

their destination as soon as possible, so good news if you are

:09:52.:09:55.

heading to Gatwick Airport that the automated baggage system has been

:09:56.:09:56.

fixed. Let's get more on those comments

:09:57.:10:05.

made by the Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn this morning that UK foreign

:10:06.:10:08.

policy is not working. Norman Smith, tell us more about

:10:09.:10:11.

what he will say. This is a gamble by Jeremy Corbyn

:10:12.:10:16.

because talking about terrorism and its causes in the wake of an

:10:17.:10:20.

atrocity like Manchester, a lot of people will be uncomfortable about

:10:21.:10:24.

that, there will be people who think it is inappropriate, irresponsible.

:10:25.:10:28.

Mr Corbyn's view is that we have to have this discussion and talk about

:10:29.:10:32.

why these terrorist attacks keep happening. And he kind of pinpoint

:10:33.:10:38.

two factors. At home, he suggests part of the problem is there have

:10:39.:10:42.

been significant cuts to police numbers, we lost something like

:10:43.:10:46.

20,000 police officers over the last five years or so because of

:10:47.:10:50.

austerity, and he says you cannot protect people, his phrase, on the

:10:51.:10:56.

cheap. So part of it, he thinks, is down to simply the amount of

:10:57.:10:59.

resources you can put into protecting people, and he says

:11:00.:11:03.

Labour would recruit another 10,000 police officers, if the security

:11:04.:11:05.

services wanted more cash, they could get more cash. The other

:11:06.:11:23.

side of it is looking abroad, and arguing that these wars that we have

:11:24.:11:25.

had recently in Libya, Iraq, Syria, they are part of the problem, says

:11:26.:11:28.

Mr Corbyn, because they radicalise use abroad and increases the threat

:11:29.:11:31.

we face. Mr Corbyn says it is not just his Bube at claims senior

:11:32.:11:33.

figures in the intelligence community say that and he says we

:11:34.:11:36.

have to be smarter about how we go around tackling these sorts of

:11:37.:11:40.

issues. I guess that is the weaker part of his argument because it is

:11:41.:11:44.

not actually clear what Mr Corbyn would do. We know he wants more

:11:45.:11:48.

money for the police at home but it is not quite clear what he would do

:11:49.:11:53.

about situations like Iraq or Afghanistan or Libya. I guess the

:11:54.:11:58.

honest truth is he just wouldn't get involved at all, but not

:11:59.:12:01.

surprisingly critics have seized on what he has said this morning, Tory

:12:02.:12:05.

ministers saying it is inappropriate to have that sort of discussion now

:12:06.:12:11.

and questioning Mr Corbyn's track record because he has pretty much

:12:12.:12:16.

voted against I think every single piece of anti-terrorism legislation

:12:17.:12:21.

passed in the last decade or so. There are profound risks here for Mr

:12:22.:12:24.

Corbyn in the middle of an election campaign.

:12:25.:12:29.

Norman, thank you, we will catch up with you again later on.

:12:30.:12:33.

Let's also talk about the continuing investigations by police into a

:12:34.:12:38.

possible network surrounding the Manchester suicide bomber, who of

:12:39.:12:42.

course killed 22 people and injured 116 on Monday evening. There have

:12:43.:12:48.

been more searches overnight and our correspondent is outside Greater

:12:49.:12:52.

Manchester Police headquarters. Lots of activity overnight, bring us the

:12:53.:12:56.

latest you are hearing on the investigation.

:12:57.:12:59.

Well, this is of course a very fast-moving investigation, allow me

:13:00.:13:03.

to bring you up to date with what has happened overnight and this

:13:04.:13:08.

morning. One man was arrested in Manchester overnight, there has been

:13:09.:13:12.

a search at a property in St Helens in Merseyside, and another surge

:13:13.:13:16.

ongoing in Moss Side in Manchester as well, a different place from

:13:17.:13:20.

where that man was arrested overnight, which brings the total

:13:21.:13:25.

number of arrests so far in this investigation to ten, two people

:13:26.:13:28.

have been released, one of them a 16-year-old boy, another 34-year-old

:13:29.:13:32.

woman, so that leaves eight men in custody,

:13:33.:13:48.

all aged between 18 and 38. Suspected of acts of terrorism, but

:13:49.:13:51.

no one has been charged, and we must stress no one has been charged.

:13:52.:13:53.

There have been a series of raids across the area in the last couple

:13:54.:13:56.

of days, one of those yesterday evening in Wigan when armed police

:13:57.:13:58.

and the bomb disposal unit closed off a street in Wigan and people

:13:59.:14:01.

were evacuated from their homes and suspicious items may have been

:14:02.:14:04.

recovered there. The threat level does remain at critical so while

:14:05.:14:09.

progress is being made in this investigation, it is clear that

:14:10.:14:12.

people who may have been associated with Salman Abedi are still very

:14:13.:14:16.

much being sought after by police here in greater Manchester.

:14:17.:14:20.

I understand Greater Manchester Police have been talking about leaks

:14:21.:14:26.

of information from the US? That is right, you will remember

:14:27.:14:30.

yesterday we understood police here to be furious about the publication

:14:31.:14:34.

of those photographs showing fragments of what we suspect is the

:14:35.:14:39.

bomb and the rucksack, published in the New York Times, and of course

:14:40.:14:44.

there had been the early lead of the name of Salman Abedi far earlier

:14:45.:14:47.

than Greater Manchester Police would have wanted that to have happened.

:14:48.:14:53.

That irritation, that frustration, led to Greater Manchester Police

:14:54.:14:56.

stopping sharing directed their information with the Americans. That

:14:57.:15:00.

has now resumed, there has been an issue runs from Washington that

:15:01.:15:04.

there will be no more breaches of that trust, said that now has

:15:05.:15:09.

resumed. And of course this is going to be a big weekend for police here

:15:10.:15:12.

in Manchester, there are some big events, it is a bank holiday, we

:15:13.:15:18.

have the great Manchester city games happening, we have the Manchester

:15:19.:15:22.

10k, a pop concert at Old Trafford tomorrow night, many events

:15:23.:15:25.

happening and police making sure they go ahead as normal. I'm sure

:15:26.:15:29.

you can expect there to be tight security but this is a sign that the

:15:30.:15:34.

people here in Manchester and the police in Manchester wanting to

:15:35.:15:46.

support people, to give them a chance to get on with things as

:15:47.:15:48.

normally as possible while the threat level still remains at

:15:49.:15:49.

critical. Later we will be asking if Jeremy

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Corbyn is right to link terrorist attacks with military action of the

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UK. More than 60 years ago,

:16:05.:16:07.

a young baby with big, blue eyes was found wrapped

:16:08.:16:09.

in blankets on a cinema Nobody knew where he came

:16:10.:16:12.

from or who had left him there. That baby, Robert Weston,

:16:13.:16:16.

went on to be adopted and have a family of his own,

:16:17.:16:18.

but with no clues to his identity he spent decades

:16:19.:16:21.

searching for answers. Now, thanks to the help

:16:22.:16:23.

of Julia Bell, a DNA detective, Robert has uncovered his family

:16:24.:16:25.

and has been united with his half-brother Tommy

:16:26.:16:28.

and half-sister Pat. He's joining us with Julia

:16:29.:16:32.

and Tommy for the first This is such an incredible story.

:16:33.:16:42.

Let's go right back to the beginning, Robert, if we can. How

:16:43.:16:47.

did you manage to get Julia's help and track down your siblings? OK, it

:16:48.:16:51.

was basically my eldest daughter. We realised we had reached the end

:16:52.:17:02.

in terms of where we could go in terms of media searches and she came

:17:03.:17:06.

up with the idea of a Facebook page and she popped back up and it

:17:07.:17:10.

started to attract attention and people started to look at it. Julia

:17:11.:17:15.

was one of those people and got in touch with my eldest daughter and

:17:16.:17:18.

they had a conversation about what could be done. So, what information

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did you have about what had happened to you as a baby? What was your

:17:26.:17:30.

starting point? You are left in a cinema? Yes, absolutely. Life for me

:17:31.:17:37.

started normally until I was about three weeks of age. My mother left

:17:38.:17:40.

me in the toilets in the Odeon cinema in Birmingham. There was a

:17:41.:17:48.

lot of searching going on for the woman they were looking for, but

:17:49.:17:52.

they did not find anyone. In the meantime, I had been taken to

:17:53.:17:58.

hospital, checked over, found to be healthy, well nourished and cared

:17:59.:18:00.

for and wrapped up in some good clothing. I was then taken to a

:18:01.:18:06.

children's home while they were searching for my mother. They did

:18:07.:18:10.

not find her so they decided to give me a name and ironically they called

:18:11.:18:18.

me Robert after the Bobby who took me in, the policeman who took me

:18:19.:18:21.

into the hospital, and the duty doctor. His surname was Bruce and

:18:22.:18:27.

they gave me the name of Robert Bruce. Considering my family are

:18:28.:18:32.

Scottish that is quite amazing. I spent the next seven years in the

:18:33.:18:37.

children's home. It was not particularly nice, not a good place,

:18:38.:18:41.

then I was adopted by an amazing couple at the age of seven and I

:18:42.:18:47.

stayed with them until I was 15. So I had a first home at the age of

:18:48.:18:54.

seven. You felt there was something missing, that you needed to connect

:18:55.:18:58.

with your blood family? Yes, absolutely. I knew from an early age

:18:59.:19:03.

that things were different. I did not have a mother or a father. That

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is a difficult thing to take on board. There is a grey veil either

:19:08.:19:14.

side of you. Most people can connect, they have a link to reality

:19:15.:19:19.

in a sense, their culture, who they are and where they come from and

:19:20.:19:23.

they look to their parents and grandparents. I had nothing there at

:19:24.:19:27.

all. History started with me and that was a difficult thing to deal

:19:28.:19:35.

with. How do you deal with that? It took a long time, really, to come to

:19:36.:19:40.

terms with it. That is when Julia stepped in to help you. Did you get

:19:41.:19:46.

in touch through the Facebook page? Yes, initially, and I explained how

:19:47.:19:52.

he might begin to progress. I am fascinated by the concept of a DNA

:19:53.:19:57.

detective and I want to bring Tommy in in a moment, but I want to know

:19:58.:20:03.

how you tracked down Tommy. It is a question of connecting to the three

:20:04.:20:11.

big databases. At ancestry DNA you have about 4 million people on

:20:12.:20:18.

there. They take privacy seriously and you can get an estimate to

:20:19.:20:23.

compare you to the population. I began to get an idea that Robert was

:20:24.:20:27.

from Scotland, Ireland, the initial clues. Then I looked at the matching

:20:28.:20:32.

database which compares you to other people, cousins, who are on there.

:20:33.:20:38.

There was a close match but I could see nothing visible about them, but

:20:39.:20:44.

I could see they connected with others and eventually doing many

:20:45.:20:48.

family trees and looking for common ancestor pairs and working the data

:20:49.:20:54.

forward, DNA is a tool and you use logic, intuition and science to

:20:55.:20:59.

gradually get to the family, the charmer 's family, and they

:21:00.:21:03.

volunteered to test to help us get closer to the first cousin and

:21:04.:21:06.

eventually get closer to a half sibling. Tommy, when were you

:21:07.:21:11.

alerted to the fact that this was going on? This is about February. A

:21:12.:21:18.

second cousin of mine got in touch and said that she had done DNA tests

:21:19.:21:26.

herself, she was looking into her own background. They knew that this

:21:27.:21:32.

was a close match, but not close enough, so her mother took a DNA

:21:33.:21:39.

test, which was my cousin, Deborah charmers, and they knew then it was

:21:40.:21:44.

an uncle. Unfortunately the uncles had all passed away and she asked if

:21:45.:21:49.

I would be prepared to take a DNA test. I said no problem and I took

:21:50.:21:54.

the DNA test and it was a match, he was a half brother. Did you have any

:21:55.:21:59.

idea at all that you had a half brother? Yes, we sort of suspected

:22:00.:22:15.

it because when my father died, when Robert's father died, in 1996, there

:22:16.:22:20.

was a letter found. I have never seen this letter but some of the

:22:21.:22:27.

family have. It mentioned this was a letter from Robert's mother to my

:22:28.:22:33.

father, saying that she could not afford to look after both children.

:22:34.:22:49.

There was a name mentioned in the letter of Lawrie or Lowry, we are

:22:50.:22:55.

not sure which. It may be Robert's real name or it could be an older

:22:56.:23:01.

brother's name. We are continuing to hug for that person. Somebody

:23:02.:23:12.

appeared we think about 1977, 1978 looking for my father here. But it

:23:13.:23:22.

was an older brother of mine who told me that. Unfortunately he died

:23:23.:23:26.

two years ago so I cannot go any further with that because he was the

:23:27.:23:31.

only one who knew that. Tommy, I know you cannot see Robert right

:23:32.:23:35.

now, but I am watching his reaction and at times the smiling. You are

:23:36.:23:43.

still very emotional about this. Yes, absolutely. It is astonishing

:23:44.:23:49.

really. I talked to Tommy and Pat and some of the others most days. I

:23:50.:23:57.

talked to a lot of the family now in Scotland most days really, so it is

:23:58.:24:02.

a big difference. One minute there is nothing there and the next minute

:24:03.:24:06.

all these people are there and I get on really well with all of them.

:24:07.:24:14.

Tommy and I are very similar, we have a lot of similarities, we are

:24:15.:24:18.

still discovering them. Yes, it is fascinating. He is lovely. I am

:24:19.:24:26.

interested from both of your perspectives. Tommy, what was that

:24:27.:24:30.

first conversation on the phone or the first meeting with Robert light?

:24:31.:24:38.

Can you share that with us? As I say, it was not really a surprise.

:24:39.:24:44.

We sort of knew there was something there but nobody ever took that

:24:45.:24:50.

forward. I remember seeing this story in the paper years ago but

:24:51.:24:54.

never put two and two together again. But it's sort of all makes

:24:55.:25:03.

sense now. The first conversation was... I cannot explain it. It

:25:04.:25:13.

was... It took a long time for it to sink in, I think. I think it still

:25:14.:25:19.

does, it still has not sunk in properly yet that we now have

:25:20.:25:28.

another brother. It is just a strange feeling that brings up a lot

:25:29.:25:32.

of emotions, not only with me, but the rest of the family as well. But

:25:33.:25:39.

I think overall everybody is delighted with this. Robert, what

:25:40.:25:47.

was that first meeting like for you? It was kind of a scary thing

:25:48.:25:52.

initially because I had been given this phone number and I sent him a

:25:53.:25:57.

text and things like that and then I was thinking, I am going to phone my

:25:58.:26:03.

brother. Being able to say that for the first time in my life, I am

:26:04.:26:07.

actually going to phone my brother, and at this time I did not know. I

:26:08.:26:14.

thought it was just him. I was not aware of there being other people.

:26:15.:26:19.

When I spoke to him the first time I was astonished, you know. It was

:26:20.:26:27.

amazing, really. I kept thinking to myself, I am talking to my brother.

:26:28.:26:31.

It sounds a bit silly, but it kept rolling through my head, it was

:26:32.:26:37.

pretty amazing. Then Tommy in the conversation said, by the way it is

:26:38.:26:42.

not just me. You have got five brothers and a sister. It is so much

:26:43.:26:50.

for both of you to take in. Julia, this must be the best job in the

:26:51.:26:57.

world. You are sitting here smiling. Definitely, I am very privileged to

:26:58.:26:59.

work with Robert and with other people who do not know who their

:27:00.:27:06.

parents are. It is a real privilege. Robert has been amazing, we have met

:27:07.:27:09.

for the first time now and now I am looking forward towards finding his

:27:10.:27:16.

mother. We know Brian is a possibility, Aston, Hendry and

:27:17.:27:25.

Williams. And Oswestry, have I got that correct? That is the sort of

:27:26.:27:32.

area. We have some idea as to who his mother might be. I cannot reveal

:27:33.:27:38.

that for good reasons, but she will be deceased if it is her. That might

:27:39.:27:44.

mean it is slightly less sensitive and somebody who I know might

:27:45.:27:50.

hopefully get in touch. I am hopeful we can use the power within the

:27:51.:27:56.

matching databases to do this. But if anyone can help us along our way,

:27:57.:28:01.

that would be fantastic. Robert, how important is that for you? I know

:28:02.:28:06.

your father passed away so you have not been able to meet him. How

:28:07.:28:10.

important would it be for the jigsaw puzzle to know who your mother was

:28:11.:28:15.

even if she has passed away? For me that was the focus of my search,

:28:16.:28:20.

really. I did not think I would have much chance of finding out who my

:28:21.:28:26.

dad was. I thought I would find my mother first and then my dad. So

:28:27.:28:30.

finding my father is amazing, but finding my mother is still a big

:28:31.:28:36.

part of what I want to do. I think she had reasons for what she did,

:28:37.:28:40.

but I feel that because of the way in which I was left I do not

:28:41.:28:46.

think... I think really she was in a desperate space. I think if she had

:28:47.:28:53.

had another choice, she would not have done that. I am very keen to

:28:54.:28:58.

see where she is and find out who she is because that also helps me

:28:59.:29:03.

identify who I am from that side of the family as well. It gives me a

:29:04.:29:09.

history and it is important I also pass on to my children as much

:29:10.:29:14.

history, family history, on both sides as I can. Is it about needing

:29:15.:29:20.

to know why she left you? Yes, partly. I would understand any

:29:21.:29:29.

reason because over the years I have worked through all the emotions and

:29:30.:29:34.

things like that that go along with it. I feel a lot of love for her and

:29:35.:29:41.

I feel a connection. There is absolutely nothing to forgive. It is

:29:42.:29:47.

possible I will never meet her, but if I ever could have done, I would

:29:48.:29:54.

give her a hug. It has been so lovely to speak to all of you. It is

:29:55.:29:59.

an incredible story, and I hope you make some progress. It has been

:30:00.:30:01.

lovely to speak to you. Still to come Cole on terror is not

:30:02.:30:13.

working. That is from Jeremy Corbyn if Labour wins the election. Is it

:30:14.:30:20.

right to link military action overseas to terrorists here in the

:30:21.:30:24.

UK? The pranksters who were tampering with the walkers crisps

:30:25.:30:28.

advertising campaign, we will talk about that.

:30:29.:30:33.

It has gone viral, it has been pulled by Walkers crisps, so we will

:30:34.:30:37.

talk about that later on. With the news, here's Annita

:30:38.:30:39.

in the BBC Newsroom. The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn

:30:40.:30:41.

will give a major speech shortly, in which he's expected to link

:30:42.:30:44.

British military action abroad He's making the comments as election

:30:45.:30:49.

campaigning resumes after the terror attack in Manchester,

:30:50.:30:55.

in which 22 people were killed. The comments have already come

:30:56.:31:04.

in for criticism on both sides of the political divide,

:31:05.:31:06.

with the Tories calling them Greater Manchester police has said

:31:07.:31:08.

eight men arrested in connection with the Manchester bomb attack

:31:09.:31:12.

are all suspected of terror offences Overnight there was another arrest

:31:13.:31:15.

and more police searches, including at an address

:31:16.:31:21.

in the St Helens area of Merseyside, as police

:31:22.:31:23.

continue their investigations A 16-year-old boy has been

:31:24.:31:25.

released without charge. And armed police have begun

:31:26.:31:32.

patrolling national rail services It's the first time that firearms

:31:33.:31:34.

officers have been deployed on Britain's railways,

:31:35.:31:40.

although there have been patrols on the London

:31:41.:31:43.

Underground since December. The terror threat remains

:31:44.:31:45.

at critical, meaning security services believe another attack

:31:46.:31:47.

could be imminent. Theresa May is to urge the leaders

:31:48.:31:52.

of the world's most developed nations to do more to tackle

:31:53.:31:55.

extremism online. She'll make the call at the G7

:31:56.:31:58.

summit of leading industrial nations in Sicily, attended

:31:59.:32:01.

by President Donald Trump. The leaders, also including

:32:02.:32:09.

Emmanuel Macron of France and Germany's Chancellor Merkel,

:32:10.:32:13.

will discuss a range of issues including global security,

:32:14.:32:15.

trade and climate change. Gatwick Airport says the major

:32:16.:32:22.

problems it suffered with baggage this morning are now over and the

:32:23.:32:26.

issue is resolved. Travellers tweeted pictures of the pile-up and

:32:27.:32:31.

one described it as chaotic. Some flights have already departed

:32:32.:32:33.

without some of their passengers' bag.

:32:34.:32:39.

The media personality Katie Hopkins has been axed from her job

:32:40.:32:42.

presenting a talk show on the radio station LBC, it follows a tweet in

:32:43.:32:47.

which she said after Monday's attack that a final solution was needed to

:32:48.:32:56.

terror. She was reported to police and eight Sack Hopkins Now campaign

:32:57.:33:00.

followed. A spokesman said both sides agreed she would be effective

:33:01.:33:01.

immediately. An SOS signal made of rocks in

:33:02.:33:06.

a remote part of Western Australia has prompted fears that someone,

:33:07.:33:09.

or more than one person, The distress signal was spotted

:33:10.:33:11.

by a helicopter pilot, leading to a ground search

:33:12.:33:14.

by police, who had to reach the area Authorities have now appealed

:33:15.:33:17.

for public help after failing to find any indication

:33:18.:33:21.

of recent human activity. That's a summary of the latest

:33:22.:33:23.

news, join me for BBC Paralympic sprint champion

:33:24.:33:25.

Jonny Peacock says sport can help show people 'that nothing

:33:26.:33:40.

will stop us'. The Great City Games in Manchester

:33:41.:33:42.

will go ahead in Manchester today among heightened security

:33:43.:33:45.

in the city. As for the Great Manchester Run on

:33:46.:33:46.

Sunday. Manchester City's women beat

:33:47.:33:50.

Chelsea 1-0 in the first significant sporting event

:33:51.:33:59.

to take place in Manchester Hull City say they are

:34:00.:34:01.

"disappointed" at Marco's Silva's Silva, who has been linked

:34:02.:34:04.

with a host of jobs in England and Europe, has left the club

:34:05.:34:08.

following their relegation Ben Ainslie's Land Rover BAR

:34:09.:34:10.

team are trying to qualify These are the scenic pictures

:34:11.:34:14.

of Bermuda earlier this week, but qualifying has been delayed

:34:15.:34:19.

by 24 hours due to high winds I will be back with more sport in

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newsroom live at 11am. The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn

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is resuming his party's election campaign with a speech linking

:34:28.:34:30.

British military action overseas, In a moment we will speak

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to Dr Alan Mendoza from the Henry Jackson Society -

:34:33.:34:54.

a think tank specialising And from Lancaster by

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Dr Simon Mabon, who researches the International Relations

:34:57.:34:59.

of the Middle East But first of all our security

:35:00.:35:04.

correspondent Frank Gardner is here, what do we know about the sheer

:35:05.:35:06.

scale of investigations that are ongoing right now not just because

:35:07.:35:09.

of the Manchester attack but across the country?

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I think it will be quite a shock to learn that what MI5 released

:35:14.:35:18.

yesterday, they are currently working on 500 investigations, they

:35:19.:35:21.

have about 3000 people on their watchlist, those are the people they

:35:22.:35:25.

know about, so-called persons of interest, of whom Salman Abedi, the

:35:26.:35:30.

bomber, was a former person of interest, and I think that will

:35:31.:35:33.

spark some serious questions being asked at Whitehall as to why they

:35:34.:35:37.

were not on his tail a bit more closely. But 500 investigations

:35:38.:35:43.

currently with the Manchester investigation, ten people arrested,

:35:44.:35:47.

two have been released, eight in custody, plus remember that the

:35:48.:35:51.

bombers' brother and father have both been detained in Libya by what

:35:52.:35:55.

is called a deterrent force, basically in militia that is loyal

:35:56.:36:02.

to the UN recognised Government. Jeremy Corbyn made these comments

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about the war on terrorism not working, and some people may be

:36:07.:36:09.

scratching their heads thinking, where are we on the war on

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terrorism? Update us on what the UK's role is right now.

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OK, personally I have never liked that expression, it is like a war on

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air, you cannot have a war on terrorism, it is a meaningless

:36:24.:36:27.

expression. But what it refers to is the combined international but

:36:28.:36:30.

US-led reaction to terrorist attacks going right back to 2001. It started

:36:31.:36:35.

with Afghanistan, demanding the Taliban hand over Al-Qaeda and some

:36:36.:36:40.

big garden, the leaders. They refused, so launched what was called

:36:41.:36:47.

Operation Interior Freedom to kick out the Taliban and destroy

:36:48.:36:50.

Al-Qaeda. It only half walked, they pushed them across the border and it

:36:51.:36:57.

did not finish, it morphed into the global war on terror, then the

:36:58.:37:00.

global struggle against violent extremism. You get the idea.

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Inevitably some actions have been counter-productive. Ted Nigeria, for

:37:07.:37:11.

example, the Government there is pursuing what it sees as terrorists

:37:12.:37:16.

with such relentless vigour that it is also killing civilians in some

:37:17.:37:21.

cases, whole villages have been traumatised, and that helps recruit

:37:22.:37:25.

people for Boko Haram. So there are elements of the global war against

:37:26.:37:29.

terrorism which backfired. Jeremy Corbyn's point is that there is a

:37:30.:37:35.

link with Britain's intervention overseas and what happens here. It

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is a risky line to go down if terrorists can use that but then

:37:40.:37:43.

again there is no denying that there is, it is one of the planks they

:37:44.:37:47.

used to justify what they are doing, one of many. Remember the people

:37:48.:37:52.

carrying out these attacks are generally people with troubled

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pasts, often in trouble with the law, Pettigrew minerals and so on.

:37:56.:38:00.

When George W Bush launched the war on terror, there was a feeling it

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was a global effort.

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Do you get the feeling now it is not so much, that individual countries

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are pursuing their own approaches? There is a coalition against Isis

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that is very active in Syria and Iraq, primarily as strikes, US-led

:38:30.:38:32.

but there are lots of other countries as well, mostly European

:38:33.:38:33.

countries and yesterday Nato agreed to join that coalition. It won't

:38:34.:38:36.

make a huge difference but will lend some eyes to the intelligence,

:38:37.:38:39.

scanning from the air, sea and grad targets are, but that is one of the

:38:40.:38:41.

reasons why Isis is trying to retaliate in Europe because their

:38:42.:38:43.

caliphate is shrinking. They had brutalised the population under

:38:44.:38:45.

their control and these air strikes are not going in willy-nilly, let's

:38:46.:38:50.

just bomb some villagers, they are going in targeted, trying to rid the

:38:51.:38:54.

Middle East of the organisation that has brutalised them. The people in

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the Middle East don't want Isis, let's be clear about this, Isis does

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not represent the Middle East, it is an abomination for people out there,

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they call them outsiders from Islam. I will be keen for you to chip in on

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this conversation as well. I want to bring in Dr Mendoza, what do you

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make of the comments today from Jeremy Corbyn saying the war on

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terror is not working? I don't want to focus on Jeremy Corbyn himself,

:39:20.:39:25.

people can make up their own minds about that. The underlying argument

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gives us a perspective on history in recent times. What we are failing to

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do in this debate is look at what the terrorists themselves say to us,

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what Isis, Al-Qaeda said for many years, which is it is actually about

:39:40.:39:44.

us, that our beliefs versus their beliefs. They have clear believes in

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a radical Islamist system, they wish for those believes to be universal,

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they think that our way of life is decadent, they wish to punish us, to

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subvert what we do in their way instead and that is why they are

:39:56.:40:15.

attacking us, they are pretty open about this. Propaganda magazines

:40:16.:40:17.

come out all the time from Isis that explain the list of reasons and it

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is true that foreign policy is at the bottom but they are open about

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it, it is not the main issue. Even if foreign policy was not there,

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they said they would still attack because we are not Muslim, but their

:40:26.:40:28.

form of Muslim, and Frank is right to suggest that Isis does not

:40:29.:40:30.

represent the Middle East and it does not represent any number of

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Muslims in this, it is a small section of the Muslim population,

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but it is, crucially, linked to a religious ideology. I want to bring

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gait do, do you agree that what we are hearing, foreign policy aside,

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we will always be a target in the UK for people who want to carry out

:40:43.:40:51.

terror attacks? I agree but I want to add some nuance, if we look at

:40:52.:40:56.

the 7/7 attacks, it was clear the Iraq war was put forward as one of

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the main reasons the attacks were carried out, and if we go right back

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to the heart of this move towards radical Islamist, the writings of

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some of the figures, there is a clear legacy of colonialism, clear

:41:14.:41:17.

legacy of external involvement, external interference in the

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domestic affairs of Middle Eastern states. That is a very clear root of

:41:22.:41:28.

this problem. This radical Islamist ideology does not exist purely in a

:41:29.:41:32.

vacuum, there is a much larger political, social, economic context

:41:33.:41:36.

that helps the ideology to find traction amongst people that, as

:41:37.:41:42.

Frank correctly asserts, our people struggling to fit within society,

:41:43.:41:46.

petty criminals, people that have struggled to assimilate within

:41:47.:41:50.

communities. But when foreign policies have come in and have such

:41:51.:41:55.

a devastating effect on society, particularly in Syria, in Iraq, in

:41:56.:42:00.

Afghanistan, you can see that there is a legacy of involvement, and you

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can see the impact it is having on people. The problem with that

:42:07.:42:11.

argument is if you look again at what the terrorists said, over time

:42:12.:42:15.

their argument changes on the foreign policy question. Go back and

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read a book called The Islamist, the author explains he was radicalised

:42:22.:42:24.

by the Bosnian war, propaganda coming out saying, we did not

:42:25.:42:29.

intervene therefore we did not care about Muslims, our human rights

:42:30.:42:32.

beliefs are a charade, and that encourage people like Moazzam Begg

:42:33.:42:40.

to go out and, or at least to go down a radical path. You have

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nonintervention in the 1990s, you have intervention in the 2000s,

:42:46.:42:50.

Iraq, Afghanistan, then of Syria whether propaganda is, look at how

:42:51.:42:55.

the West stands by and let Assad murder hundreds of hundreds of

:42:56.:42:58.

thousands of Muslims and does nothing. Again, come and join us, we

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are the winners here, they are the losers, and that is what it does, so

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the argument changes. So it is an impossible line to Frank?

:43:08.:43:12.

In the eyes of hard-core jihadists, the West is dammed whatever it does,

:43:13.:43:17.

so I would agree with Alan on that one. If you look at Libya, it is a

:43:18.:43:24.

mess today, it is a low hanging fruit to say this is all the fault

:43:25.:43:27.

of the West because they intervened and then abandoned the country. They

:43:28.:43:32.

didn't want to have an army of occupation. If Nato had gone into

:43:33.:43:35.

Libya after the overthrow of Colonel Gaddafi, they would have become

:43:36.:43:40.

targets and a focus for a popular, let's get the Western Crusaders out

:43:41.:43:44.

of Libya, amongst jihadis. So Libya I think has disappointed a lot of

:43:45.:43:52.

people, it should be a success story, it has massive hydrocarbon

:43:53.:43:56.

reserves, small population, on the Mediterranean shores, close to

:43:57.:43:59.

Europe, it should be a success and yet Colonel Gaddafi and his vile

:44:00.:44:03.

regime held the country in such a vice like grip that he made sure

:44:04.:44:08.

that whatever happened after him would be disaster and sure enough

:44:09.:44:11.

the country has fragmented into all of these different items, which is

:44:12.:44:15.

why it is such an easy breeding ground for extremists.

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Doctor Mendoza, I have been speaking to colleagues at BBC Arabic who said

:44:23.:44:27.

when they have been in Manchester speaking to Libyans living in

:44:28.:44:32.

Manchester, many of them have said, off camera or off microphone,

:44:33.:44:36.

interestingly, it is the foreign policy, actually, that is what is

:44:37.:44:40.

making us angry, and although I feel integrated in Manchester and I feel

:44:41.:44:43.

like this is my home, I am very angry about what is happening in

:44:44.:44:48.

Libya, and they can understand, not necessarily agree with, but

:44:49.:44:52.

understand why people would be radicalised as a result. Foreign

:44:53.:44:54.

policy in general does make people angry. I debuted the example earlier

:44:55.:45:01.

of nonintervention as well, in the 1990s, people like Moazzam Begg, not

:45:02.:45:06.

jihadists, people who had radical views because of nonintervention,

:45:07.:45:09.

they were angry about it, angry that people were dying and we were doing

:45:10.:45:14.

nothing about it, other people were angry and think we were somehow

:45:15.:45:19.

responsible for it. The Libyan case is fascinating because if you look

:45:20.:45:22.

at the history of the bomber and his family, why did they flee Libya in

:45:23.:45:26.

the first place? It was because the Gaddafi regime was targeting them,

:45:27.:45:30.

they were political refugees. Why did they go back to Libya? It was

:45:31.:45:34.

because the international community, and I stress that word, the

:45:35.:45:38.

international community had come together to stop Gaddafi from

:45:39.:45:42.

murdering more civilians... I am going to have to jump in, only

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because I know that we are getting like pictures coming from the G7

:45:46.:45:49.

right now. Thank you so much for joining us on the programme.

:45:50.:45:53.

The Prime Minister Theresa May meeting there with other

:45:54.:45:56.

international leaders in an incredibly beautiful part of Sicily,

:45:57.:46:04.

Taormina, and I think James Reynolds is there to speak with us as well.

:46:05.:46:24.

Angela Merkel is coming and shaking hands, it is her 12 summit, it is

:46:25.:46:34.

Theresa May's first G-7 summit and Donald Trump was my first as well.

:46:35.:46:39.

Theresa May is only staying for this day, she is not staying for the

:46:40.:46:44.

second day. She says she wants to get back to Britain because of the

:46:45.:46:49.

bombing. She has a point for being here, she wants to have a

:46:50.:46:56.

conversation about stopping threats, but she will not end that

:46:57.:47:01.

conversation, there will be a lot of questions about regulation of the

:47:02.:47:04.

Internet and whether that threatens civil liberties. Angela Merkel has

:47:05.:47:09.

just come out. Interesting you say Theresa May is only staying for one

:47:10.:47:14.

day. She wants to get home. Is that being frowned upon by people at the

:47:15.:47:20.

G-7 or is there an understanding? No, world leaders do this whenever

:47:21.:47:24.

there is a crisis they face at home. Other leaders do this routinely.

:47:25.:47:29.

They will go for a short amount of time to a summit, so it is pretty

:47:30.:47:34.

standard political behaviour and something the other leaders appear

:47:35.:47:38.

to understand. It gives her a short time in which to have a debate and

:47:39.:47:41.

engage the other leaders and she will want to use the several hours

:47:42.:47:47.

she is here quite wisely. Some of that time she will want to spend

:47:48.:47:51.

talking to Donald Trump to see if she can repair the relationship

:47:52.:47:54.

between the countries following the intelligence leak. It is Donald

:47:55.:47:59.

Trump was at first G-7 summit. Any idea how he will be welcomed by the

:48:00.:48:05.

other leaders? We well know in a few minutes because he will be having a

:48:06.:48:10.

handshake. Now we are almost all upset by the handshake wars, whether

:48:11.:48:17.

or not he will seek a tug with the French president like yesterday,

:48:18.:48:19.

whether he will jostle his way to the front like he did with the

:48:20.:48:23.

Montenegro leader. This almost sounds like a joke, but we have to

:48:24.:48:28.

look closely at how they behave. How they get on with one another is an

:48:29.:48:32.

indicator of how they deal with each other. He was pretty brutal when he

:48:33.:48:39.

spoke at Nato yesterday, he was rising and eyebrow, about how it is

:48:40.:48:48.

very expensive. Is it likely he will be critical? Possibly, that is the

:48:49.:48:52.

way he has wanted to communicate on this trip. His criticism of the Nato

:48:53.:48:58.

leaders yesterday will have been received well back home by those who

:48:59.:49:02.

voted for him in the election who see a lot of US spending abroad and

:49:03.:49:07.

wonder what it is about. He did have an audience for that. But the

:49:08.:49:12.

leaders who are meeting him will want to try to work out what does he

:49:13.:49:16.

mean? And what is just bluster. Let's take climate change. During

:49:17.:49:21.

the campaign he said it was a hoax. Now they are wondering if he will

:49:22.:49:25.

pull out from the Paris climate agreement. They were asking do you

:49:26.:49:30.

believe in climate change or not? This is a chance for them to work

:49:31.:49:36.

out where he stands. Emmanuel Macron, the new French president,

:49:37.:49:40.

has just come out. He met with Donald Trump yesterday. They did and

:49:41.:49:46.

they have a handshake which was described as a tug of war. Then they

:49:47.:49:50.

had another handshake at a photocall a bit later on and everyone is

:49:51.:49:54.

trying to measure each other up and get the size of each other. Emmanuel

:49:55.:49:59.

Macron during his election campaign showed himself to be a pretty tough

:50:00.:50:04.

character. I do not believe he will give way on a lot of battles abroad

:50:05.:50:10.

either. He will see eye to eye with Angela Merkel. There is a strange

:50:11.:50:14.

relationship with Britain at the moment given Britain is moving into

:50:15.:50:19.

its Brexit stage. But some countries in Europe will want to stand

:50:20.:50:24.

together and say to Donald Trump, we need to stand to gather dashed

:50:25.:50:31.

together on climate change. I do not know if you can see the see behind

:50:32.:50:36.

me. This is where migrants cross. Italy want to get more agreement

:50:37.:50:41.

about what happens to those people once they get on Italian soil.

:50:42.:50:46.

Others might say they want to stop people making the journey in the

:50:47.:50:51.

first place. Theresa May is only staying for one day. Yesterday I

:50:52.:50:55.

understand there was a chat between Donald Trump and Theresa May about

:50:56.:50:59.

this leaking of information about the Manchester attack. It was not a

:51:00.:51:05.

long conversation, it was a photo opportunity. Will they have a better

:51:06.:51:12.

chance today? I am sure they will. They are all meeting well out of our

:51:13.:51:17.

sight on the hilltop. We do not know the exact schedule of the leaders,

:51:18.:51:23.

perhaps that is flexible. But there are only seven members so I do not

:51:24.:51:27.

think it will take much effort for Theresa May and Donald Trump to

:51:28.:51:30.

stand aside and talk about intelligence. Donald Trump said he

:51:31.:51:35.

was as appalled as the British because of the leaking and he wanted

:51:36.:51:40.

an investigation into it as well. That seems to have resolved some of

:51:41.:51:44.

that very public tension between the two sides, but Theresa May will want

:51:45.:51:50.

to talk about that today. You say they are only seven leaders, I

:51:51.:51:53.

cannot believe it has taken this long to shake hands. It is quite a

:51:54.:51:59.

walk up the hill. They have to walk along the ancient areas and there is

:52:00.:52:03.

an amphitheatre where they are watching a concert tonight. Some of

:52:04.:52:06.

the leaders may enjoy that more than the others. We had the Italian Prime

:52:07.:52:12.

Minister, the host, Justin Trudeau from Canada, Shinzo Abe Abbey, from

:52:13.:52:18.

Japan, I think Donald Trump is the only one who has not come out. I

:52:19.:52:23.

think he is the last one. I am not sure of the protocol. This is his

:52:24.:52:29.

first summit, bear that in mind. I am sure we will get some reading

:52:30.:52:33.

into what the first handshake is like. Lots of comments coming in.

:52:34.:52:39.

This is on what Jeremy Corbyn has said about the war on terror not

:52:40.:52:46.

working and how activity with our foreign policy affects things in the

:52:47.:52:50.

UK. Robert says, if he believes it, how naive of Jeremy Corbyn to stay

:52:51.:52:54.

one of the main reasons behind Monday's terror attack is Britain's

:52:55.:53:00.

involved in wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan. The Manchester

:53:01.:53:03.

bomber may have used this as an excuse, but the main aim of radical

:53:04.:53:08.

Muslim extremists is to disrupt a way of living that does not adhere

:53:09.:53:11.

to their strict religious views of society. Another tweak, we can no

:53:12.:53:17.

longer sweep the war on terror under the carpet. The Middle East has been

:53:18.:53:22.

bombed for years and it has made things worse.

:53:23.:53:26.

You may have thought big brands would have learned their lessons by

:53:27.:53:33.

now. Walkers crisps marketing managers have found out the hard

:53:34.:53:39.

way. Earlier in the week they launched this Champions League final

:53:40.:53:43.

campaign. Excited about the Uefa league Champions League final? Snap

:53:44.:53:50.

and share your selfie for a chance to win tickets. Well, it was an open

:53:51.:53:58.

goal. The pranksters online saw the potential. Thank you for joining the

:53:59.:54:04.

Walkers wave and celebrating the Uefa league final. They were

:54:05.:54:10.

submitting photographs of serial killers and criminals, and videos

:54:11.:54:18.

showing Gary Lineker uploading their photographs were uploaded to

:54:19.:54:21.

Twitter. The online feature has now been shut down. This comes a month

:54:22.:54:27.

after Pepsi had to pull an advert featuring Kendall Jenner amid

:54:28.:54:36.

speculation that they were trivialising street protests. She

:54:37.:54:40.

leaves a photo shoot to join a police demonstration and she hands

:54:41.:54:47.

and officer a can of Pepsi to cheers and applause. It was much ridiculed

:54:48.:54:51.

and was posted on you tube but pulled in less than 24 hours. Let's

:54:52.:54:56.

I can now talk to Allyson Stewart-Allen who is a branding

:54:57.:55:01.

expert and chief executive of International Marketing Partners.

:55:02.:55:03.

Do they never learn or do they see this as an opportunity? What happens

:55:04.:55:11.

is the advertising agencies create the ads, they are often tested, the

:55:12.:55:16.

marketing heads say, yes, we will go ahead with this. But the marketing

:55:17.:55:22.

heads are warned there are risks with every campaign so they are not

:55:23.:55:27.

blindly going into an approval process. They are well aware that

:55:28.:55:32.

hijacking like this and the tests of adverts have certain ramifications

:55:33.:55:37.

when they are not well received. Yet decisions are made in any case,

:55:38.:55:41.

let's go ahead because the chances are perceived as low. Who do they

:55:42.:55:46.

test this on? If you look at the Kendall Jenner one, clearly that was

:55:47.:55:51.

going to offend sections of US society. Did they not test it on

:55:52.:55:55.

those sections or did they see it as a calculated risk? It depends on the

:55:56.:56:01.

personalities and the culture of the business and their risk appetite. In

:56:02.:56:07.

the Pepsi case I do not have data that says it was tested with these

:56:08.:56:11.

groups and genders and socio- economic groups, but it should have

:56:12.:56:15.

been if it was not. They should not have gone into it knowing fully all

:56:16.:56:20.

of the risks from all of the target market that Pepsi has, which is

:56:21.:56:25.

pretty much everyone. Some products are very clear in who they are

:56:26.:56:30.

trying to reach. Feminine products is obvious, whereas brands like

:56:31.:56:35.

Pepsi appeal to everyone. It is very difficult. The lesson is to err on

:56:36.:56:41.

the side of conservatism. But that means it could be boring.

:56:42.:56:45.

Potentially, but not really. The goal is engagement, the goal of any

:56:46.:56:51.

brand whether it is online or on TV, off-line, the goal is to try to get

:56:52.:56:55.

the consumer to take a course of action, click on like button, tell

:56:56.:57:00.

your friends, tweet about it, but it take some action, even possibly buy

:57:01.:57:06.

the product. This is the ultimate goal, so engagement comes at a

:57:07.:57:11.

price. Engagement is interesting because people did get engaged with

:57:12.:57:17.

this Walkers advert. They might say, it went viral, we still got

:57:18.:57:24.

advertising out of it. Yes and no. Having murderers and other people

:57:25.:57:27.

that potentially get associated with your brand is not what you are

:57:28.:57:32.

after. You are trying to associate the brand with good things. Yes,

:57:33.:57:38.

they got engagement, but the wrong kind of engagement. You have to

:57:39.:57:41.

think back through and that is the challenge for any marketing head. Am

:57:42.:57:45.

I prepared to go ahead with this knowing there is a risk ahead of me?

:57:46.:57:51.

It was quite naive. It was very naive because you would have known

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that people for fun will try something out. And look what

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happened. Thank you so much for coming in.

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Victoria is back on bank holiday Monday with a general election

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audience debate live from Dunstable. She will be discussing all the key

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issues ahead of next month's vote. Do tune in then. Have a lovely day

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today. Thank you for your company.

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