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Hello, it's Friday, it's 9am - I'm Chloe Tilley in for Victoria. | :00:09. | :00:11. | |
"The war on terror is simply not working." | :00:12. | :00:20. | |
That's the view of Jeremy Corbyn, who's promising change | :00:21. | :00:22. | |
But his views have been sharply criticised by the Conservatives. | :00:23. | :00:25. | |
I think Jeremy Corbyn's comments are totally | :00:26. | :00:27. | |
Will either at police headquarters in Manchester as another arrest is | :00:28. | :00:40. | |
made in connection with Monday night's bombing. -- we are live. | :00:41. | :00:47. | |
The UK terror threat level remains "critical" - | :00:48. | :00:48. | |
meaning another attack could be imminent. | :00:49. | :00:50. | |
We'll look at how security is being stepped up at this | :00:51. | :00:53. | |
Also in the programme, we'll have the extraordinary story | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
of a how a man who was abandoned as a baby tracked down his | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
siblings with nothing more than a sample of his DNA. | :01:00. | :01:12. | |
Hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am this morning. | :01:13. | :01:19. | |
Will the Manchester terror attacks put you off going to any major | :01:20. | :01:24. | |
events this weekend or argue determined to carry on as normal? | :01:25. | :01:26. | |
Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning. | :01:27. | :01:29. | |
If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. | :01:30. | :01:35. | |
The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn will give a major speech today, | :01:36. | :01:37. | |
as election campaigning resumes after the terror | :01:38. | :01:39. | |
He's expected to link British military action abroad | :01:40. | :01:45. | |
to terrorism in the UK, and call for a change | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
Let's talk to our political guru Norman Smith about this. | :01:49. | :01:53. | |
Tell us a bit more about what Jeremy Corbyn is going to say? | :01:54. | :01:59. | |
Mr Corbyn will set out what he thinks are some of the key drivers | :02:00. | :02:05. | |
of terrorism. He will say that he is not seeking to excuse terrorists, | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
they are the ones who are guilty and they alone are guilty for the acts | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
they carry out. But he will suggest that some of the walls we have been | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
involved in a broad in places like Iraq, Syria and Libya have | :02:19. | :02:21. | |
contributed to the threat we face, and he will say cuts to police | :02:22. | :02:27. | |
numbers have also put us at risk because, he will argue, you cannot | :02:28. | :02:31. | |
have security on the cheap. But, as you might expect, it a very, very | :02:32. | :02:40. | |
controversial moment to be making these sorts of remarks, as my | :02:41. | :02:41. | |
colleague Iain Watson now reports. The political truce | :02:42. | :02:43. | |
following the Manchester attack will be declared over today, | :02:44. | :02:44. | |
when Jeremy Corbyn speaks He'll draw political dividing lines | :02:45. | :02:46. | |
by criticising Government cuts in police numbers, | :02:47. | :02:54. | |
and will say austerity must stop But linking involvement in foreign | :02:55. | :02:56. | |
wars to terrorism is likely Many experts including professionals | :02:57. | :03:11. | |
in our intelligence and it is their bosses have pointed to the | :03:12. | :03:14. | |
connections between wars our Government has supported all fought | :03:15. | :03:17. | |
in other countries, and terrorism here at home. | :03:18. | :03:21. | |
He will say this does not reduce the guilt of terrorists, but... | :03:22. | :03:25. | |
We must be brave enough to admit the war on terror is simply not working. | :03:26. | :03:31. | |
The former Lib Dem leader Lord Ashdown has questioned the | :03:32. | :03:33. | |
The Labour leader expects criticism for his comments, | :03:34. | :03:39. | |
but those close to him say it's impossible to have an honest debate | :03:40. | :03:42. | |
on tackling terrorism without mentioning the wars. | :03:43. | :03:44. | |
Mr Corbyn's aides say in his speech Mr Corbyn will pledge to be tough on | :03:45. | :03:58. | |
terrorism and tough on the causes of terrorism, but already critics are | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
pointing out that the Labour leader has voted against pretty much every | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
recent counterterrorism legislation brought before the Commons and he | :04:08. | :04:15. | |
opposes the deradicalisation Prevent strategy, so perhaps unsurprisingly | :04:16. | :04:18. | |
the Conservative security minister Ben Wallace this morning was highly | :04:19. | :04:21. | |
critical of Mr Corbyn's decision to make this speech. | :04:22. | :04:24. | |
I think Jeremy Corbyn's comments are totally | :04:25. | :04:26. | |
Right now, we have police forces and security services scrabbling, | :04:27. | :04:30. | |
working hard to keep us safe through the night. | :04:31. | :04:33. | |
We have 66 people still in hospital in Manchester. | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
Now is not the time to decide to use this event to attack foreign policy | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
decisions that may or may not have been made. | :04:43. | :04:45. | |
Now is the time to focus on our British values, | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
our intolerance of terrorism, and stand united saying violence | :04:51. | :04:52. | |
and hate will not deliver the outcome they want, | :04:53. | :04:54. | |
and we as a society will not be threatened or damaged by terrorism. | :04:55. | :05:02. | |
The hope of Mr Corbyn is that voters, while not in any way | :05:03. | :05:10. | |
minimising the horror of Manchester, will think, yes, we do have to have | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
this debate about what is causing this radicalisation, what is the | :05:16. | :05:18. | |
reason for the terror threat we face. But it is an almighty risk for | :05:19. | :05:24. | |
Mr Corbyn, the danger that he simply gets more damaging headlines. | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
Thank you, Norman, we will catch up with you later on in the programme. | :05:30. | :05:35. | |
And tune in to BBC One at 7pm this evening, | :05:36. | :05:38. | |
when Jeremy Corbyn will be the latest leader in the hot seat | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
Police are continuing their investigations into a possible | :05:42. | :05:44. | |
network surrounding the Manchester suicide bomber, who killed 22 | :05:45. | :05:46. | |
There've been more searches and one arrest overnight, | :05:47. | :05:54. | |
our Correspondent Wrye Davies is outside Greater Manchester | :05:55. | :05:56. | |
Bring us up-to-date with what you are being told. | :05:57. | :06:06. | |
There have been some interesting developments overnight, the first | :06:07. | :06:08. | |
police operation in the early hours of the morning, a man was arrested | :06:09. | :06:13. | |
in the Moss side area of Manchester, which has brought the total number | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
of people in detention to eight. There was an operation this morning | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
over in St Helens in neighbouring Merseyside and back in Moss side at | :06:22. | :06:25. | |
another address, another police operation this morning. Greater | :06:26. | :06:30. | |
Manchester Police said they are making good progress. The problem | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
is, the reality is we are in a critical state of alert and police | :06:36. | :06:38. | |
still need and want to find those people who may have helped the bomb | :06:39. | :06:43. | |
procure the bomb, set up the bomb, delivered the bomb, and until that | :06:44. | :06:50. | |
network of people is found, this critical state of alert, having | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
these hundreds of armed policemen and women on the streets of | :06:54. | :06:59. | |
Manchester, soldiers in other cities as well, armed police on public | :07:00. | :07:04. | |
transport, on trains for the first time, there is still a lot of | :07:05. | :07:08. | |
tension here and until that network is found and neutralised we will | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
remain in this position. We have also heard overnight that Greater | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
Manchester Police have restarted their cooperation with American | :07:18. | :07:19. | |
authorities, exchanging some of this very sensitive information they hope | :07:20. | :07:25. | |
might help them achieve a breakthrough in the case. That | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
cooperation had stopped because of excessive leaks on the American | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
side. Greater Manchester Police felt it was actively disturbing and | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
damaging their inquiries. After assurances from Washington, those | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
links have now resumed and the exchange of this vital information | :07:44. | :07:45. | |
will resume. Thank you for the update, where | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
Davis there from Greater Manchester Police headquarters. | :07:50. | :07:51. | |
Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary | :07:52. | :07:53. | |
Theresa May is to urge the leaders of the world's most | :07:54. | :08:05. | |
developed nations to do more to tackle extremism online. | :08:06. | :08:07. | |
She's to make a speech at the G7 summit of leading | :08:08. | :08:10. | |
Our diplomatic correspondent James Landale reports. | :08:11. | :08:19. | |
Theresa May arrived in Sicily last night for her first G7 summit, | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
a rare chance for her and just six other leaders to discuss | :08:24. | :08:25. | |
the world's problems face-to-face around a table. | :08:26. | :08:27. | |
And, as they gather in the ancient coastal town of Taormina, | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
Above all from Donald Trump, who has made his doubts | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
about multilateral groups like this well-known. | :08:35. | :08:35. | |
At this summit, as ever, they'll discuss world trade, | :08:36. | :08:37. | |
climate change, migration from north Africa across these very seas. | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
But, after the events of recent days, almost inevitably | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
the focus will be the fight against global terrorism. | :08:46. | :08:48. | |
Theresa May will sit down formally with the US President, | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
and discuss not just those leaks from the Manchester bombing | :08:53. | :08:55. | |
investigation, but how she, he, and other G7 leaders can work | :08:56. | :08:58. | |
together to fight extremism and terror plots online, | :08:59. | :09:02. | |
with internet firms doing more, and a new international forum, | :09:03. | :09:04. | |
I suspect Theresa May will say, "Look, let's all agree that we need | :09:05. | :09:16. | |
a totally joined-up security effort, of the sort we have | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
within the United Kingdom, amongst the G7 as a whole." | :09:21. | :09:22. | |
But, if there is agreement among these heads of government over | :09:23. | :09:25. | |
terror, they may fall out over other issues - | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
international trade, climate change and global migration, | :09:31. | :09:32. | |
areas where Mr Trump's smiles are not matched | :09:33. | :09:34. | |
Travellers through Gatwick airport are suffering major | :09:35. | :09:41. | |
problems with baggage disruption this morning. | :09:42. | :09:44. | |
One passenger has said the situation is 'chaos'. | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
Gatwick Airport has apologised for delays at check-in. | :09:50. | :09:51. | |
It says some flights are departing without bags, | :09:52. | :09:56. | |
and that they'll be forwarded to passengers' destinations. | :09:57. | :10:02. | |
The US media is reporting President Trump's son-in-law | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
and senior White House adviser Jared Kushner is under | :10:08. | :10:09. | |
The inquiry is into Russian interference | :10:10. | :10:12. | |
Reports say investigators believe Mr Kushner may have significant | :10:13. | :10:15. | |
information relevant to their work, but this does not necessarily mean | :10:16. | :10:17. | |
Scientists say new observations of the planet Jupiter have | :10:18. | :10:26. | |
They have been studying detailed photographs sent back to earth | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
Researchers say they have been amazed by the storms | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
Dozens of hurricanes, each the size of Earth, | :10:35. | :10:42. | |
An SOS signal made of rocks in a remote part of Western Australia | :10:43. | :10:49. | |
has prompted fears that someone, or more than one person, | :10:50. | :10:51. | |
The distress signal was spotted by a helicopter pilot, | :10:52. | :10:57. | |
leading to a ground search by police, who had to reach the area | :10:58. | :11:00. | |
Authorities have now appealed for public help after failing | :11:01. | :11:08. | |
to find any indication of recent human activity. | :11:09. | :11:09. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am. | :11:10. | :11:16. | |
I want to bring you this which has just reached us, Labour has | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
suspended one of its vice-chairman in Surrey after he suggested the | :11:22. | :11:26. | |
Government itself could have been behind the Manchester bombing. | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
Daniel Uihlein, the vice-chair in water, said, I would not put it past | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
our establishment and right wing Government or Theresa May to blow up | :11:36. | :11:38. | |
their own people in order to continue to secure power for | :11:39. | :11:41. | |
themselves. The Labour Party has confirmed to | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
BBC Surrey that he has since been suspended and today is the | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
re-newspaper says the Conservative candidate Dominic Raab has described | :11:51. | :11:53. | |
the comments as extremely offensive in countless ways as we pay our | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
respects to the victims and try to show some solidarity. | :11:59. | :12:01. | |
We will keep an eye on that and bring you any details as we are on | :12:02. | :12:03. | |
air over the next two hours. Do get in touch with us | :12:04. | :12:05. | |
throughout the morning - If you text, you will be charged | :12:06. | :12:07. | |
at the standard network rate. Let's get some sports now with Hugh. | :12:08. | :12:21. | |
Good to see you. Obviously Manchester at the moment, people are | :12:22. | :12:24. | |
coping with the events that happened on Monday night but also people are | :12:25. | :12:29. | |
trying to use sport as a way to get back to normality, if you like? | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
Yes, it has of course been a devastating week for everyone in the | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
country and at the epicentre of that is the city of Manchester. In recent | :12:38. | :12:41. | |
days we have seen, as you have explained, and outpouring of grief | :12:42. | :12:45. | |
in the city but also a sense of togetherness, evidenced by Tony | :12:46. | :12:47. | |
Walsh's moving poem outside the town Hall on Tuesday, | :12:48. | :13:04. | |
that music and sport are two of the things the city is famous for. | :13:05. | :13:06. | |
Manchester United brought home the Europa League Trophy earlier this | :13:07. | :13:08. | |
week and doubt there will be international sport in the heart of | :13:09. | :13:11. | |
Manchester with the Great City Games today, helping to see a united | :13:12. | :13:13. | |
Manchester carry on defiantly in the face of such a barbaric act. A | :13:14. | :13:16. | |
solemn town in the mood. Former Olympic long jump champion Greg | :13:17. | :13:18. | |
Rutherford will be there and says it is important to the sport and people | :13:19. | :13:21. | |
show they will not let terrorists win. Also appearing in the ninth | :13:22. | :13:27. | |
year the event has been stage is the Paralympic champion Jonnie Peacock | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
who shared a similar view to Rutherford that the games can send a | :13:31. | :13:33. | |
message of resilience to the world. These events are the ones that we | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
need, we need to show that it doesn't stop us, I think that is | :13:38. | :13:40. | |
what we showed great in this country, what we do a great job of | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
it is we will wake up the next day, get on with our lives, stand-up, | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
don't do our jobs, turned up to events and show our support | :13:49. | :13:55. | |
together, and I think it is the absolute opposite response to what | :13:56. | :13:58. | |
everyone wants but it is amazing to see, and I love it. | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
The BBC will have full coverage of the event starting at 6pm tonight on | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
BBC Two. Just to say as Robbie Great Manchester Run will go ahead this | :14:08. | :14:13. | |
weekend, Europe's largest 10k run, a half marathon as well this time | :14:14. | :14:19. | |
around. The organisers do, though, say there will be additional | :14:20. | :14:21. | |
security measures in place. You can watch that on BBC One from lunchtime | :14:22. | :14:24. | |
on Sunday. We will be speaking to someone | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
taking part in the Great Manchester Run in the next few minutes as well. | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
Let's talk about Wayne Rooney, slightly uncertain time for him, | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
left out of the England squad? Yes, the Manchester United captain, | :14:38. | :14:40. | |
officially the captain of England but missing out on his second | :14:41. | :14:43. | |
consecutive squad for his country and now he has nothing but a clear | :14:44. | :14:55. | |
some ahead of him. He says he will go away with his family and decide | :14:56. | :14:57. | |
what is next. The 31-year-old has only started 15 league games for | :14:58. | :15:00. | |
Manchester United this season and the England boss Gareth Southgate | :15:01. | :15:02. | |
says that other players are playing exceptionally well so Wayne Rooney | :15:03. | :15:05. | |
is left out on form. The man himself is now left pondering his future, | :15:06. | :15:10. | |
and returned to his boyhood club Everton is a possibility, or perhaps | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
a big-money move to China. He will be demanding ?600,000 a week for a | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
move there. Rooney has said there are lots of offers on the table in | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
England and abroad. He is record goal-scorer for his club and country | :15:25. | :15:27. | |
but we understand United are after three or four stellar signings this | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
summer, that means Rooney could well be on his way out of the pub. | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
Indications are that his future will be dealt with sooner rather than | :15:36. | :15:38. | |
later. We will catch up with you a bit | :15:39. | :15:39. | |
later on. With the bank holiday weekend comes | :15:40. | :15:48. | |
a serious of major sporting Manchester plays host | :15:49. | :15:52. | |
to the Manchester City Games and the Great Manchester Run, | :15:53. | :15:58. | |
the largest 10k run in Europe. On the music front | :15:59. | :16:02. | |
the band The Courteeners, who are from Manchester, | :16:03. | :16:05. | |
are also playing at Old Trafford's In London, it's FA Cup Final day | :16:06. | :16:08. | |
at Wembley on Saturday. After some speculation | :16:09. | :16:15. | |
that the events in Manchester would be cancelled, the deployment | :16:16. | :16:17. | |
of troops at key sites in London has freed up armed officers | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
to support other forces, that's according to | :16:22. | :16:23. | |
the Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police, | :16:24. | :16:24. | |
Ian Hopkins. So what extra work has gone | :16:25. | :16:26. | |
into preparing for the events in light of the attack | :16:27. | :16:29. | |
at Manchester Arena on Monday? We can chat now to Lee Dodderidge | :16:30. | :16:33. | |
is a director at Covenant Security and risk management, | :16:34. | :16:36. | |
he's also a former member of the UK's National Counter | :16:37. | :16:38. | |
Terrorism Security Office. Anthony Mundy, Operations Director | :16:39. | :16:40. | |
at Emirates Old Trafford Cricket Ground where the Courteeners gig | :16:41. | :16:43. | |
is happening on Saturday. Leigh Webber, who's running the 10k | :16:44. | :16:45. | |
in Manchester on Sunday despite having had half | :16:46. | :16:48. | |
a lung removed. Thank you all for joining us. I want | :16:49. | :17:03. | |
to start, Leigh, in light of what happened on Monday, give us a sense | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
of what is going on behind the scenes to improve security. There | :17:08. | :17:13. | |
are a number of things they will be considering at the moment. They will | :17:14. | :17:18. | |
have reviewed all the plans. These events are regular events. There is | :17:19. | :17:25. | |
a tried and tested security operation in place which is | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
critical. They will be adding additional measures to that. But | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
there are differences between the venues. If you look at the | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
difference between a stadium event where there will be tickets, | :17:39. | :17:41. | |
compared to the Manchester run where there will be large areas of the | :17:42. | :17:45. | |
route and the start and finish lines which are open to members of the | :17:46. | :17:49. | |
public. There is a big security challenge. People should expect | :17:50. | :17:55. | |
delays, but they will still be able to enjoy the event. There are a lot | :17:56. | :18:00. | |
of challenges ahead for security, additional searches and other | :18:01. | :18:06. | |
restrictions. Leigh, I cannot believe I said in that introduction | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
that you had half a long removed in March. It is incredible you are | :18:11. | :18:15. | |
contemplating running this event. How are you feeling after what has | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
happened in the city? We can see you in front of all those floral | :18:20. | :18:26. | |
tributes. I am just feeling now after what has happened, this | :18:27. | :18:30. | |
terrible tragedy, it has made me and everyone else more determined to run | :18:31. | :18:37. | |
and try to do Manchester pride. Like Tony Walsh said in the powerful poem | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
in Manchester when things get tough we stand tall together and fight | :18:43. | :18:48. | |
strong in the Manchester spirit way. Obviously everybody is quite | :18:49. | :18:52. | |
apprehensive, but it will also be quite emotional and we are going to | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
try and do our best to make Manchester proud. Did you have | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
difficult conversations with your family about wanting to take part? | :19:02. | :19:08. | |
Presumably they are concerned? Yes, they are quite concerned, but I | :19:09. | :19:13. | |
think they also respect and understand our reasons why we feel | :19:14. | :19:20. | |
even more determined to try and prove to Manchester that we can | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
carry on the best we can. Anthony is standing next to you, in charge of | :19:25. | :19:32. | |
security there at the Emirates Old Trafford cricket ground where the | :19:33. | :19:38. | |
concert is on Saturday. What extra security have you implemented there | :19:39. | :19:41. | |
in light of what has happened in the city? We have been planning for this | :19:42. | :19:47. | |
event for over six months and we already have robust security plans | :19:48. | :19:50. | |
in place. We do this on a regular basis. We have a few answers every | :19:51. | :19:56. | |
year, we have international cricket, so we are used to put it on | :19:57. | :20:01. | |
large-scale events. As part of our planning process we have multi | :20:02. | :20:07. | |
agency meetings with the police, local authority, transport, | :20:08. | :20:10. | |
licensing. There were robust plans already in place. Since the tragic | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
events of Monday we have had numerous meetings with the police. | :20:15. | :20:21. | |
We have had a lot of understanding from the police in terms of what | :20:22. | :20:24. | |
additional security they advised us to put in place. We have done that | :20:25. | :20:30. | |
and we will increase our checks. We advise people to come early because | :20:31. | :20:35. | |
there will be searching. We advise people not to come with bags because | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
that will slow down things. If you come with a bag, make sure it is a | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
small one. The key thing is the support we have had from the pleas | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
and the additional resources they will put in place around reinsurance | :20:48. | :20:53. | |
is going to be massive. Whereas we would normally have a lot of | :20:54. | :20:57. | |
security in and around the venue, we are increasing that and the police | :20:58. | :21:02. | |
will be having security measures for the last mile and when people get on | :21:03. | :21:08. | |
the train or the tram or their car, there will be a visible presence of | :21:09. | :21:10. | |
the police to give people reinsurance. There is no increased | :21:11. | :21:17. | |
security risk at our event, but it is about people getting on with | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
their lives and getting Manchester back on track. It is interesting you | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
talk about that. That was the vulnerable area in the Manchester | :21:27. | :21:30. | |
attack. That area where you come out of security into the public area. I | :21:31. | :21:36. | |
guess that is always the challenge, that you need to provide that | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
security. There will always be a break in security somewhere, so how | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
do you overcome that? It is striking the balance. All security has got to | :21:46. | :21:49. | |
be proportionate to what the risk is. Sometimes we have had failings | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
in the past and the security is there not to protect the buildings, | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
but the people. They are one of the major assets you want to look after. | :22:00. | :22:05. | |
But the start is probably easier to secure because people come in over a | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
longer period of time in smaller numbers. It is at the end of the | :22:10. | :22:14. | |
event when people come out en masse, which unfortunately was the incident | :22:15. | :22:18. | |
in Manchester on Monday evening. Once people come out of the key | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
thing to do once they are in the public domain is to disperse the | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
crowd as quickly as possible. But you have to do it in a way that | :22:28. | :22:30. | |
maintains the atmosphere of the event. The smaller groups provide | :22:31. | :22:35. | |
less of a target, that is horrible to say, but that is reality, and we | :22:36. | :22:41. | |
have to move them away as quickly as possible. Anthony, is that the sense | :22:42. | :22:44. | |
of what you have been hearing as well in your planning? That has been | :22:45. | :22:50. | |
one of the main focus areas, but there are other mitigation plans we | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
have put in place with the police. It is about the whole customer | :22:55. | :22:58. | |
journey from when people arrive in Manchester through to coming to the | :22:59. | :23:03. | |
concert and getting home again. We are focusing on every area. The | :23:04. | :23:08. | |
plans were robust before and they are now massively enhanced. We want | :23:09. | :23:18. | |
people to have a fantastic time. The Courteeners have said they want to | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
give Manchester a concept that they deserve. It is about holiday weekend | :23:23. | :23:28. | |
and we do not want people to change their plans. But get here early, do | :23:29. | :23:34. | |
not bring a bag, be supportive of each other, be patient. We have got | :23:35. | :23:38. | |
four Northwest, Greater Manchester bands coming to hear on Saturday, it | :23:39. | :23:47. | |
could not get any better. Leigh, I know you said it was important to | :23:48. | :23:51. | |
send out this message that nothing was changing, we are carrying on. | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
Have you thought about how you are getting there? Have you reassess | :23:57. | :24:01. | |
your journey there? Has anything changed in your mind? I suppose I am | :24:02. | :24:08. | |
an optimistic, positive person and I am hoping that when we get on the | :24:09. | :24:17. | |
tram, we will be anxious, but I will just be hopeful really that | :24:18. | :24:22. | |
everything will be OK. People often say in the aftermath of a tragedy | :24:23. | :24:25. | |
that arguably that could be the safest time to be doing any of these | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
things. In some bizarre way do you feel this could be the safest time | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
to take part in this run because security is at the forefront of | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
everybody's mind right now? I definitely feel like that. I came to | :24:41. | :24:44. | |
the vigil on Tuesday evening and felt exactly like that. Now the | :24:45. | :24:49. | |
safety is so out there that it is probably the best it could be | :24:50. | :24:54. | |
really. Is that a logical thing to think or is that the public trying | :24:55. | :25:01. | |
to make themselves feel safer? It is perfectly logical. I can remember | :25:02. | :25:05. | |
similar conversations last year when we had the Euro Championships and | :25:06. | :25:08. | |
the safest place would have been inside one of the stadiums. Because | :25:09. | :25:14. | |
of additional security people will feel safer. It is interesting | :25:15. | :25:18. | |
listening to the other guests that we need to maintain our way of life | :25:19. | :25:23. | |
and go out and enjoy our events. People have to bear in mind there | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
will be additional security and they have to be more aware. We cannot be | :25:28. | :25:33. | |
defeated, but from a security perspective we have to realistically | :25:34. | :25:36. | |
look at the threats and keep in mind it is still critical and there is | :25:37. | :25:41. | |
still a network of potentially people out there wanting to cause | :25:42. | :25:46. | |
harm to us. What would you say each of you to anybody watching this who | :25:47. | :25:50. | |
is saying, I know what you are saying, I understand what you are | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
saying, but I am scared to go out, I am scared to put my family and | :25:56. | :26:00. | |
myself at risk? Leigh, what would you say to them? I suppose different | :26:01. | :26:06. | |
people have got different ways of thinking, which is fair enough and | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
we respect everybody and how they feel. But we would encourage them | :26:12. | :26:14. | |
the best we can for the sake of Manchester and all the people to not | :26:15. | :26:19. | |
let this beat us and carry on with as many events as we can and know | :26:20. | :26:24. | |
that Manchester and the security is doing everything they can to keep us | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
as safe as possible. Anthony, what would you say to somebody watching | :26:30. | :26:33. | |
and thinking that? I would echo that. For me they have won if we | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
change the way we carry on with what we are doing this weekend and every | :26:39. | :26:44. | |
weekend in the future. We have got to be sympathetic and acknowledge | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
what has gone on, but we do have to move forward. Otherwise they have | :26:49. | :26:55. | |
beaten us. We are an entertainment venue and Manchester is a fantastic | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
city and we want to put Manchester back on the map for the right | :27:00. | :27:06. | |
reasons. I want to ask you, what from a security perspective is the | :27:07. | :27:12. | |
greatest challenge to please and security? Later on we will be | :27:13. | :27:15. | |
hearing from Alan Shearer talking about the FA Cup final, is that the | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
biggest challenge in an enclosed environment, or is it the likes of | :27:21. | :27:23. | |
the great Manchester run where you have so many people out on the | :27:24. | :27:28. | |
street over a huge area? You are right, the run will be the biggest | :27:29. | :27:34. | |
security challenge. With the two event, at the Emirates Stadium or | :27:35. | :27:39. | |
with the FA Cup, these are well rehearsed events. Yes, there will be | :27:40. | :27:46. | |
increased security, but it is completely different to the security | :27:47. | :27:50. | |
required at what is an open-air event open to the members of the | :27:51. | :27:56. | |
public. There is a longer route to consider as well. That will be the | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
biggest challenge. People will have to bear in mind that whilst we have | :28:01. | :28:04. | |
just had the recent Manchester attack, we saw how easily it was to | :28:05. | :28:09. | |
have an attack at Westminster with a vehicle, so there are a number of | :28:10. | :28:12. | |
different threats and that will be the challenge. It is achievable, but | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
people will need to allow extra time to get into the area and there will | :28:18. | :28:26. | |
be travel disruption. That will be the biggest security challenge, | :28:27. | :28:29. | |
making sure everybody there is safe and secure and anybody coming to | :28:30. | :28:32. | |
cause any harm is identifiable and dealt with. Before you go, Leigh, | :28:33. | :28:42. | |
you have lost half along. You are training, you will be running ten | :28:43. | :28:45. | |
kilometres. How has your preparation gone? As I had the operation three | :28:46. | :28:51. | |
days after coming out of hospital I have been running every day to make | :28:52. | :28:56. | |
me feel like I was training. Three weeks ago I started gently jogging | :28:57. | :29:02. | |
again and I have done about 37 kilometre runs. I had to stop a few | :29:03. | :29:07. | |
times, but I have done seven kilometres in an hour, so I am | :29:08. | :29:12. | |
pleased with that. I am sure with all the adrenaline I will get to ten | :29:13. | :29:16. | |
kilometres with all that 20 of us from the academy and my best friend | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
Jane coming from Dorset. With all the support I am sure I will be fine | :29:22. | :29:26. | |
to get to the finishing line. Best of luck, it is an incredible story. | :29:27. | :29:31. | |
I hope you enjoy it. That you all for speaking to us. A couple of | :29:32. | :29:36. | |
comments coming in to us here on Jeremy Corbyn's comments. David | :29:37. | :29:41. | |
says, Jeremy Corbyn is getting closer to the mark, but it is not | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
just our foreign policy. We looked at only what we can take from others | :29:47. | :29:49. | |
and spent too little time considering what we can give. | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
Supporting nations to develop by sensible use of foreign aid might | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
have a far greater effect on promoting peace and stability in | :29:58. | :30:02. | |
many of these countries. Stewart says, what Jeremy Corbyn is saying | :30:03. | :30:06. | |
is right, you can support the soldiers but condemned the | :30:07. | :30:08. | |
government for putting them in that situation. Jeremy says has Jeremy | :30:09. | :30:14. | |
Corbyn not voted against anti-terror laws in his time? Another one, | :30:15. | :30:24. | |
people, please buy Ariana Grande's record as a tribute. | :30:25. | :30:27. | |
Long queues and disruption at Gatwick airport this morning, | :30:28. | :30:30. | |
as a problem with the bagging system means some travellers are having | :30:31. | :30:33. | |
Former England captain Alan Shearer tells us it will be hard to focus on | :30:34. | :30:45. | |
the FA Cup final this weekend after the Manchester terror attack. | :30:46. | :30:48. | |
Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :30:49. | :30:54. | |
The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn will give a major speech today, | :30:55. | :30:56. | |
in which he's expected to link British military action abroad | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
He's making the comments as election campaigning resumes after the terror | :31:00. | :31:06. | |
attack in Manchester, in which 22 people were killed. | :31:07. | :31:10. | |
They've already come in for criticism on both sides | :31:11. | :31:12. | |
And he's expected to say Labour would make | :31:13. | :31:15. | |
Theresa May is to purge the leaders of the world's leading nations to do | :31:16. | :31:35. | |
more to tackle extremism online. Leaders including Donald Trump and | :31:36. | :31:40. | |
Emmanuel Macron of France, and Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel, | :31:41. | :31:42. | |
will discuss issues including global security, trade and climate change. | :31:43. | :31:48. | |
A baby has died after being found in a car during one of the hottest | :31:49. | :31:52. | |
The seven-month-old girl was unresponsive when discovered | :31:53. | :31:56. | |
in the vehicle in Dundrum village in County Tipperary | :31:57. | :31:58. | |
She was airlifted to hospital but medics were unable to revive her. | :31:59. | :32:02. | |
The baby was the only child of a local couple, | :32:03. | :32:05. | |
and the incident is being treated as a tragedy. | :32:06. | :32:09. | |
Travellers through Gatwick airport are suffering major | :32:10. | :32:11. | |
problems with baggage disruption this morning. | :32:12. | :32:12. | |
One passenger has said the situation is 'chaos'. | :32:13. | :32:14. | |
Gatwick Airport has apologised for delays at check-in. | :32:15. | :32:22. | |
The US media is reporting President Trump's son-in-law | :32:23. | :32:28. | |
and senior White House adviser Jared Kushner is under | :32:29. | :32:30. | |
The inquiry is into Russian interference | :32:31. | :32:33. | |
Reports say investigators believe Mr Kushner may have significant | :32:34. | :32:37. | |
information relevant to their work, but this does not necessarily mean | :32:38. | :32:40. | |
An SOS signal made of rocks in a remote part of Western Australia | :32:41. | :32:48. | |
has prompted fears that someone, or more than one person, | :32:49. | :32:50. | |
The distress signal was spotted by a helicopter pilot, | :32:51. | :32:54. | |
leading to a ground search by police, who had to reach the area | :32:55. | :32:58. | |
Authorities have now appealed for public help after failing | :32:59. | :33:03. | |
to find any indication of recent human activity. | :33:04. | :33:06. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 10am. | :33:07. | :33:14. | |
Paralympic sprint Champion Jonny Peacock says sport can help show | :33:15. | :33:31. | |
The Great City Games in Manchester will go ahead in Manchester today | :33:32. | :33:38. | |
among heightened security in the city. | :33:39. | :33:39. | |
Manchester City's women beat Chelsea 1-0 in the first | :33:40. | :33:45. | |
significant sporting event to take place in Manchester, | :33:46. | :33:47. | |
Hull City say they are "disappointed" at Marco's Silva's | :33:48. | :33:50. | |
Silva, who has been linked with a host of jobs in England | :33:51. | :33:54. | |
and Europe, has left the club following their relegation | :33:55. | :33:56. | |
That is all the sport for now, we will be back with more just after | :33:57. | :33:59. | |
10am. Lots of you getting in touch about | :34:00. | :34:04. | |
security concerns ahead of the bank holiday weekend, many events going | :34:05. | :34:07. | |
ahead, we were just talking to people taking part in the Great | :34:08. | :34:11. | |
Manchester Run. We have had a tweet saying, going ahead with the run is | :34:12. | :34:14. | |
reckless, cancel it! Too much of a soft target. Matt has | :34:15. | :34:19. | |
text in to say, many of my friends are doing the 10k run, we are | :34:20. | :34:23. | |
students at the University of Manchester, they are concerned and | :34:24. | :34:27. | |
we have got exams next week. Another | :34:28. | :34:43. | |
says, I will be volunteering at the Great Manchester Run. I and others, | :34:44. | :34:47. | |
I am in two minds as to whether the run should have gone ahead. It is OK | :34:48. | :34:51. | |
for people to save we have to carry on, but do they feel like carrying | :34:52. | :34:54. | |
on? I can't imagine how I would feel losing someone that I loved. | :34:55. | :34:55. | |
Passengers at Gatwick Airport have been facing long queues | :34:56. | :34:57. | |
and disruption morning, after a problem with | :34:58. | :34:59. | |
One traveller described the scene as 'chaos', with some planes | :35:00. | :35:02. | |
With me is our correspondent Andy Moore. | :35:03. | :35:05. | |
You would not be very happy if you were going on holiday before the | :35:06. | :35:08. | |
bank holiday and half-time without a suitcase, what is going on? | :35:09. | :35:12. | |
A busy day for the airport, when you turn up and checked in, you check in | :35:13. | :35:15. | |
your suitcase and it goes off on the automated baggage system to the | :35:16. | :35:19. | |
aircraft, that has broken down so they have to revert to a manual | :35:20. | :35:23. | |
system. That is causing a lot of problems and delays, a lot of cues, | :35:24. | :35:27. | |
and it means planes are taking off on time but some people are being | :35:28. | :35:39. | |
told their suitcases are not on that plane, so a lot of people angry | :35:40. | :35:40. | |
about that. The priority for the airline is to | :35:41. | :35:43. | |
get the plane off on time and the baggage follows afterwards? | :35:44. | :35:45. | |
Yes, the airline is saying that when the system is fixed to the baggage | :35:46. | :35:49. | |
will be put on the next available plane and you will be reunited with | :35:50. | :35:53. | |
its doing. They said they are trying to resolve it as soon as possible | :35:54. | :35:57. | |
but it has not been fixed yet. It is affecting a lot of airlines, | :35:58. | :36:01. | |
EasyJet, one of the biggest, have issued a statement to their | :36:02. | :36:03. | |
customers saying a number of flights are departing without all of the | :36:04. | :36:09. | |
luggage in the hold, EasyJet takes well-being of passengers very | :36:10. | :36:11. | |
seriously and they are working closely with Apple to return luggage | :36:12. | :36:15. | |
to passengers as soon as possible. It is worth emphasising this is | :36:16. | :36:20. | |
people leaving the airport, North and South terminals, it does not | :36:21. | :36:24. | |
seem to be affecting incoming passengers so if you are arriving at | :36:25. | :36:27. | |
Gatwick you should be able to bind your luggage OK. | :36:28. | :36:31. | |
Any idea how long it will last? The Allied has been saying all | :36:32. | :36:35. | |
morning they are working to resolve it as quickly as possible but at the | :36:36. | :36:38. | |
moment it is still not fixed. Thank you for telling us about that. | :36:39. | :36:41. | |
Coming up... Former England captain and Newcastle | :36:42. | :36:43. | |
striker Alan Shearer talks to us about security at football matches | :36:44. | :36:46. | |
and the upcoming FA Cup final. Before Monday's terror | :36:47. | :36:53. | |
attack, the election But the tragic events stopped it | :36:54. | :36:55. | |
immediately in its track. Politicians put their differences | :36:56. | :37:03. | |
aside as a mark of respect and this morning all of the main parties will | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
begin campaigning again, but how will be terror attack have changed | :37:08. | :37:08. | |
things? Let's talk now to Joe | :37:09. | :37:12. | |
Twyman from YouGov. He says a terrorist attack amidst | :37:13. | :37:13. | |
an election is a "political tightrope that is hard | :37:14. | :37:16. | |
for anyone to walk". Charlie Cooper is political | :37:17. | :37:18. | |
correspondent for Politico magazine. And Polly Mackenzie was a special | :37:19. | :37:20. | |
advisor to former Deputy Prime Thank you all for coming in to speak | :37:21. | :37:30. | |
to us. Charlie, I want to ask first of all, how much do you think the | :37:31. | :37:34. | |
tone of this campaign is going to change in light of the awful events | :37:35. | :37:38. | |
in Manchester? I think when we look back at this election, we will see | :37:39. | :37:44. | |
that the terrible events in Manchester on Monday will completely | :37:45. | :37:48. | |
overshadow it. We spoke to a Labour MP in Manchester visit, you want to | :37:49. | :37:51. | |
be upbeat on the doorstep and present a positive vision. He said | :37:52. | :37:57. | |
it is impossible to bring that to the campaign in the shadow of this | :37:58. | :38:00. | |
event so it will completely change the mood, I am sure. Polly, you were | :38:01. | :38:06. | |
a special adviser to Nick Clegg. How do politicians play this? As Charlie | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
said, you don't want to be too upbeat, you don't want to go for the | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
jugular as you might have done against political opponents, is this | :38:15. | :38:18. | |
about having more unity? As Charlie said, the tone will be more subdued, | :38:19. | :38:24. | |
politicians, especially front bench politicians, won't want to be seen | :38:25. | :38:29. | |
to make political hay out of a terrible murder, murderous attack, | :38:30. | :38:33. | |
but nevertheless we do see Jeremy Corbyn today coming out with a | :38:34. | :38:38. | |
speech talking about who is to blame and the complex causality of | :38:39. | :38:42. | |
international terrorism, trying to sort of capitalise on it in a way | :38:43. | :38:47. | |
that is not just blaming the other party, and actually you see at the | :38:48. | :38:50. | |
grassroots and probably in the social media the invisible campaign | :38:51. | :38:54. | |
that is going on, lots more much more aggressive campaigning, where | :38:55. | :38:58. | |
people are playing the blame game. Joe, let's talk about the Ueberroth | :38:59. | :39:09. | |
poll -- you golf poll. In public opinion terms we have entered a | :39:10. | :39:13. | |
third stage of the election, the first was dominated by Theresa May | :39:14. | :39:16. | |
and the Conservatives, after that and after the issue around social | :39:17. | :39:20. | |
care, we saw Jeremy Corbyn and Labour close the gap on the | :39:21. | :39:24. | |
Conservatives, and now most recently we are entering this new stage with | :39:25. | :39:29. | |
the Conservatives now five points ahead, and that is down on where | :39:30. | :39:33. | |
they were last time but this is the first poll that has been conducted | :39:34. | :39:40. | |
since the attack. Is it also the first one since the social care | :39:41. | :39:43. | |
U-turn so I guess you could have gone lower in people's ideas, | :39:44. | :39:47. | |
Theresa May, and then come back? When you look at the underlying | :39:48. | :39:52. | |
data, not just voting intention but things like leadership ratings, you | :39:53. | :39:56. | |
see that the gap continued to close between Labour and the | :39:57. | :39:59. | |
Conservatives, between Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May, but then it opened | :40:00. | :40:03. | |
back up again, so it suggests that at the moment there is a slight bit | :40:04. | :40:14. | |
of momentum in favour of Theresa May. The question we have is how | :40:15. | :40:17. | |
long will this last? It is impossible to know. The next few | :40:18. | :40:19. | |
days will be crucial with the kinds of announcements we are talking | :40:20. | :40:22. | |
about, and the poll that we have coming out on Sunday will offer an | :40:23. | :40:24. | |
indication of whether this momentum is being maintained, whether this | :40:25. | :40:26. | |
third stage will favour the Conservatives or whether we are | :40:27. | :40:30. | |
entering a new moment. Charlie, these comments by Jeremy Corbyn | :40:31. | :40:34. | |
today, he will make a speech later on saying there is a direct | :40:35. | :40:37. | |
correlation between foreign policy in the UK and what happens on our | :40:38. | :40:42. | |
streets. Do you think that is a wise move by him? The Conservatives have | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
said it is inappropriate right now. I think it will resonate with some | :40:48. | :40:52. | |
people, but I think a better strategy would have been to get back | :40:53. | :40:57. | |
to what they were talking about before this horrible attack because, | :40:58. | :41:01. | |
as we have seen in the polls, their manifesto commitment on scrapping | :41:02. | :41:05. | |
tuition fees, the ?10 minimum wage, on more money for the NHS, that was | :41:06. | :41:11. | |
cutting through and it was popular, whereas the Conservative manifesto | :41:12. | :41:14. | |
debacle around social care really hit Theresa May, and I think it | :41:15. | :41:18. | |
would have been better to get back to the strong territory they were on | :41:19. | :41:20. | |
prior to this awful attack on Monday. After the attack, I | :41:21. | :41:40. | |
wonder from each of you whether you think there will be more now on | :41:41. | :41:43. | |
leadership, because often in a time of tragedy in this country people | :41:44. | :41:45. | |
are looking for a strong leader and we know that Theresa May is going | :41:46. | :41:48. | |
for the strong and stable method, does it play into her hands? I think | :41:49. | :41:51. | |
it has do, you don't have to look hard on the leadership ratings to | :41:52. | :41:54. | |
see Theresa May outperforms on those. Some of Labour's spending and | :41:55. | :41:56. | |
public service messages were working for them. If this is an election | :41:57. | :41:59. | |
where, on election day at the ballot box, people are thinking about | :42:00. | :42:01. | |
leadership, they will choose Theresa May. The Labour numbers are | :42:02. | :42:06. | |
fascinating but probably quite soft. There is a lot of historical data | :42:07. | :42:10. | |
that shows when it comes to specific policies, that is not what people | :42:11. | :42:14. | |
vote, instead it is the broad narratives that we tell ourselves | :42:15. | :42:17. | |
and each other about leadership, trust, unity, all these things, and | :42:18. | :42:22. | |
this has been the focus of the Conservative campaign throughout the | :42:23. | :42:24. | |
campaign period. Labour, on the other hand, tried to build buzz on | :42:25. | :42:31. | |
specific policies. It worked well when Theresa May and her abilities | :42:32. | :42:34. | |
were called into question around the issue of social care, but it wasn't | :42:35. | :42:39. | |
the issue of social care that was causing the change but the | :42:40. | :42:42. | |
questioning of her strength and stability. I think it is inevitable | :42:43. | :42:46. | |
that in a time of heightened anxiety voters are more likely to go with | :42:47. | :42:52. | |
what they know, which will be beneficial for any incumbent, | :42:53. | :42:54. | |
particularly one that markets themselves as strong and stable, | :42:55. | :42:58. | |
strong and stable, so it may be an advantage for Theresa May, I don't | :42:59. | :43:01. | |
think she is planning to exploit in any specific way but it will be the | :43:02. | :43:05. | |
way people feel after such a horrible event as Monday. We have | :43:06. | :43:09. | |
got a couple of weeks before election day. I have travelled up | :43:10. | :43:13. | |
and down the country in the last few weeks speaking to voters, sitting | :43:14. | :43:23. | |
down and having conversations with voters, and everywhere I go, whether | :43:24. | :43:25. | |
Scotland, Northern Ireland, North of England, South of England, people | :43:26. | :43:27. | |
are saying, this is about Brexit. That was prior to Monday's attack. | :43:28. | :43:31. | |
Do you think everyone now will shift toward security? If you look at Jo | :43:32. | :43:36. | |
Cox's murder ahead of the Brexit event, many people thought it would | :43:37. | :43:40. | |
be a tribute to Jo Cox to vote Remain but that did not happen. I | :43:41. | :43:45. | |
think what happened after Jo Cox in terms of the election campaign was | :43:46. | :43:48. | |
that it just went down a notch in terms of volume but the messages | :43:49. | :43:51. | |
were still out there on the doorstep and it didn't change anything. Over | :43:52. | :44:01. | |
the course of the next two weeks, it is amazing, people think it is the | :44:02. | :44:05. | |
Brexit campaign but the national politicians have not been talking | :44:06. | :44:08. | |
about Brexit particularly, it has been much more about social care and | :44:09. | :44:12. | |
public services. I think the Conservatives will, as we head | :44:13. | :44:16. | |
towards polling day, try to pull it back to security, Brexit at those | :44:17. | :44:21. | |
things where they do really well. What is ironic is that it is much | :44:22. | :44:25. | |
easier to defend security if we are part of Europe, Europol and the | :44:26. | :44:28. | |
European arrest warrant, but they will try not to mention that. I | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
spoke to people in Manchester about this topic, how it will affect how | :44:34. | :44:37. | |
they vote, but a lot of people did not make that connection, they | :44:38. | :44:43. | |
thought it is above politics and God immediately on to questions like | :44:44. | :44:46. | |
leadership and policies so I think there will be an extent to which | :44:47. | :44:50. | |
people put the tragedy of Monday in a different category in their mind | :44:51. | :44:54. | |
to the election. When you ask people what they vote on, there is a | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
multitude of answers people give and Brexit is the most important issue | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
facing the country, according to our polls, but the questions people ask | :45:03. | :45:07. | |
themselves, even when they are in the polling booths, who do I | :45:08. | :45:19. | |
trust, who do I think will do the right thing for this country, who do | :45:20. | :45:23. | |
I think can do the right thing for people like me? Those are the kinds | :45:24. | :45:26. | |
of questions each of the parties will attempt to provide answers for | :45:27. | :45:29. | |
between now and election day. How many people make that decision in | :45:30. | :45:31. | |
the polling booths? I have spoken to so many people who have said, I | :45:32. | :45:34. | |
probably won't decide until I get there. It is different this time | :45:35. | :45:36. | |
around because last time the country had five years, the voters and | :45:37. | :45:39. | |
country had five years to prepare, this time we have had five weeks. | :45:40. | :45:42. | |
There is a lot more movement in the polls this time as people go from, | :45:43. | :45:46. | |
actually, this is happening, this is real, I'm starting to think about | :45:47. | :45:50. | |
this and engage with this, and what we have seen it a reduction in the | :45:51. | :45:54. | |
numbers of people saying they don't know who they will vote for, | :45:55. | :45:57. | |
particularly among former voters from Labour in 2015, and that could | :45:58. | :46:02. | |
be crucial because it is not just about voting intention but | :46:03. | :46:20. | |
whether people choose to turn out to vote or not. Another thing I want to | :46:21. | :46:24. | |
mention is police cuts, Jeremy Corbyn will pick up on that today | :46:25. | :46:27. | |
saying the likes of Monday's attack may not have happened if there had | :46:28. | :46:29. | |
been more money given to police, Amber Rudd saying last night on | :46:30. | :46:32. | |
Question Time, the Home Secretary, these are two very different things. | :46:33. | :46:34. | |
It is unfortunate that one of the things that has cut through in this | :46:35. | :46:37. | |
election is Diane Abbott making a mess of her announcement of more | :46:38. | :46:39. | |
police. People are sceptical of this narrative that crime is falling even | :46:40. | :46:41. | |
though police numbers are falling but nonetheless it doesn't quite get | :46:42. | :46:44. | |
up to the level of votes winding decision, I don't think. I agree, it | :46:45. | :46:52. | |
is not just Jeremy Corbyn saying police cuts are concerned, the | :46:53. | :46:55. | |
Police Federation... They would say that. They would, they warned two | :46:56. | :47:03. | |
years ago, even cuts in community policing could affect intelligence | :47:04. | :47:09. | |
gathering so Labour have something just a point there but I don't think | :47:10. | :47:12. | |
it will cut through this late in the campaign. It is an extraordinarily | :47:13. | :47:16. | |
difficult time for people, whether Conservative or Labour, they have to | :47:17. | :47:19. | |
think carefully how they address this in the next few days. Thank you | :47:20. | :47:23. | |
all very much, we are out of time but I appreciate you speaking to us. | :47:24. | :47:28. | |
The attack on Monday has cast a long shadow over sport this week. | :47:29. | :47:31. | |
In an emotional night in Stockholm, Manchester United won | :47:32. | :47:33. | |
the Europa League and this weekend troops will join police in a tightly | :47:34. | :47:37. | |
controlled operation for the FA Cup Final at Wembley. | :47:38. | :47:39. | |
90,000 fans will head to the stadium in North London to watch | :47:40. | :47:42. | |
Arsene Wenger's Arsenal take on Antonio Conte's Premier | :47:43. | :47:44. | |
We can chat about that more now with former England captain | :47:45. | :47:50. | |
Allen, thank you for coming in. Before we can talk about the | :47:51. | :48:01. | |
football, we need to talk about what has happened in Manchester this | :48:02. | :48:04. | |
week. Many people will be heading to the FA Cup final at Wembley and | :48:05. | :48:12. | |
security will be a worry for them. Absolutely, not only will it be on | :48:13. | :48:15. | |
their minds tomorrow, but it will be on our minds for the rest of our | :48:16. | :48:20. | |
lives because of what has gone on in Manchester this week and my heart | :48:21. | :48:25. | |
goes out to everyone who has been affected by it. Trying to get back | :48:26. | :48:28. | |
to some normality with a football match is going to be very difficult. | :48:29. | :48:33. | |
After all football is irrelevant, but we have got to try and somehow | :48:34. | :48:38. | |
concentrate on the match which I think will be very difficult for a | :48:39. | :48:43. | |
lot of people. When we look at football it has not been immune, | :48:44. | :48:48. | |
sadly. If you look back to 2015 and the suicide attacks in France. Do | :48:49. | :48:53. | |
you think more needs to be done to secure football stadiums? It is so | :48:54. | :48:56. | |
difficult when you have got tens of thousands of people in one area. It | :48:57. | :49:03. | |
is difficult to step up the security. People have to be vigilant | :49:04. | :49:07. | |
and look out, but when there are thousands of supporting people at a | :49:08. | :49:12. | |
sporting event on their way in and on their way out, not necessarily in | :49:13. | :49:16. | |
the stadium, it is difficult to police. Do you think clubs need to | :49:17. | :49:20. | |
take more responsibility? You can have security in the stadium, but as | :49:21. | :49:27. | |
the public get outside, is it the public's responsibility to do more | :49:28. | :49:33. | |
or the club's responsibility? It is up to everyone to be vigilant. I | :49:34. | :49:38. | |
think it is difficult and I have got sympathy because there are so many | :49:39. | :49:41. | |
thousands of people there walking in and out. It is difficult for the | :49:42. | :49:45. | |
police to look after that. Let's talk about the football. Arsenal | :49:46. | :49:53. | |
need this. Fifth in the Premier League, no Champions League football | :49:54. | :49:57. | |
for the first time in 20 years. Yes, they need a trophy. I am still not | :49:58. | :50:02. | |
certain that will appease a lot of the Arsenal fans. Even if they win | :50:03. | :50:07. | |
that game tomorrow, they will be saying things about Arsene Wenger's | :50:08. | :50:11. | |
feature. But some of the players have hidden behind that as an excuse | :50:12. | :50:16. | |
this season and it has affected the team and the decision whether he is | :50:17. | :50:20. | |
staying or going because at times their performance on the pitch has | :50:21. | :50:24. | |
not been good enough this season. Chelsea will go into the game full | :50:25. | :50:28. | |
of confidence after winning the league, so it should be a good game. | :50:29. | :50:34. | |
Problems for Arsenal defensively, all manner of problems going on. Not | :50:35. | :50:40. | |
only defensively, they have got injury concerns. Alexis Sanchez came | :50:41. | :50:44. | |
on we think maybe with a hamstring injury seven days or so ago. Yes, | :50:45. | :50:49. | |
they have got one or two problems going into the game. But they should | :50:50. | :50:55. | |
not use that as an excuse. They have got to go and put a performance in | :50:56. | :50:59. | |
to win the trophy for the manager. How hard would it be? Chelsea are | :51:00. | :51:05. | |
flying high, they have got no injuries and Antonio Conte has done | :51:06. | :51:08. | |
what so many people thought he could never do. He has had a magnificent | :51:09. | :51:12. | |
season. He has connected that dressing room again because it was | :51:13. | :51:16. | |
all over the place when he took the job. All the decisions he has made | :51:17. | :51:25. | |
this evening, leaving players in and out, the talk of Diego Costa going | :51:26. | :51:31. | |
to China, I think he has handled it perfectly all season. No injury | :51:32. | :51:34. | |
concerns, they go into the game full of confidence and they will be on a | :51:35. | :51:39. | |
high. Your money is on Chelsea? Yes, if I were supporting the team, but, | :51:40. | :51:45. | |
I want a great game and lows of goals, but I think Chelsea will win. | :51:46. | :51:51. | |
You have said the question hanging over Arsene Wenger has been a real | :51:52. | :51:54. | |
problem this season. He has said he did not know whether he would be the | :51:55. | :51:59. | |
manager, Sunday. No one can ever deny his love or his passion for | :52:00. | :52:04. | |
that football club and how successful he has been, but there is | :52:05. | :52:08. | |
no doubt about it that the lack of decision making, whether he is | :52:09. | :52:12. | |
staying or going, has affected the club and performances on the pitch. | :52:13. | :52:19. | |
That has been a real concern. I cannot understand, and a lot of | :52:20. | :52:22. | |
people cannot understand, what is going on behind the scenes, whether | :52:23. | :52:28. | |
he is staying or going. But his players owe him a performance | :52:29. | :52:31. | |
tomorrow and they need to go out and win the FA Cup. Should he have | :52:32. | :52:35. | |
walked earlier in the season? Should he have said because of the sake of | :52:36. | :52:41. | |
the club, it is a distraction, I am going? I do not think he should have | :52:42. | :52:46. | |
walked at all. I would never say and manager of his stature and a manager | :52:47. | :52:51. | |
who has been so successful at that football club should have been | :52:52. | :52:55. | |
sacked or he should walk. He will make the decision for what he feels | :52:56. | :52:59. | |
is right. There is a huge divide within the camp and the fans at | :53:00. | :53:06. | |
Arsenal, what they want him to do. It is very difficult seeing a man of | :53:07. | :53:10. | |
his ability and his stature being criticised as much as he has done | :53:11. | :53:14. | |
because of what he has done for the football club. Let's talk about some | :53:15. | :53:20. | |
of the big names. Concerns for next season when you are seeing the likes | :53:21. | :53:25. | |
of Alexis Sanchez and Mesut Ozil might not be there. That is a | :53:26. | :53:29. | |
greater worry for the Arsenal fans. At the minute all they should focus | :53:30. | :53:34. | |
on is putting in a performance for the manager at the FA Cup final. | :53:35. | :53:39. | |
Then they sort out their issues after the game. You have mentioned | :53:40. | :53:43. | |
Alexis Sanchez and Mesut Ozil, they are two of the players, maybe more | :53:44. | :53:47. | |
so Mesut Ozil because he has scored goals and been one of the best | :53:48. | :53:52. | |
players, but he needs to go out and perform in one of the big games | :53:53. | :53:56. | |
against one of the big clubs. What is it like playing in an FA Cup | :53:57. | :54:02. | |
final? It is brilliant but only if you win it. I did not want to | :54:03. | :54:07. | |
mention that. I am not so sure I was lucky, but I played at Wembley in | :54:08. | :54:12. | |
two FA Cup finals and came out on the wrong side. Wembley is only a | :54:13. | :54:16. | |
place for winners. You are a professional. It should not make any | :54:17. | :54:20. | |
difference whether you are playing against Hull on a cold Monday night | :54:21. | :54:26. | |
or in an FA Cup final, but you must feel it? You feel the excitement, | :54:27. | :54:30. | |
there is a huge buzz around the stadium and it has been going on all | :54:31. | :54:35. | |
week now. As a player you want to get out and onto the pitch and start | :54:36. | :54:39. | |
the 90 minutes and hopefully come out on the right side. Do you read | :54:40. | :54:44. | |
the papers or watch interviews in the run-up, or does it distract you | :54:45. | :54:49. | |
as a player? I did not mind reading newspapers or watching TV and the | :54:50. | :54:56. | |
build-up, I enjoyed it. But there is pressure? Pressure should not affect | :54:57. | :55:01. | |
you, you are used to playing in big games. A lot of these players play | :55:02. | :55:05. | |
for the national side and have been successful before and they have won | :55:06. | :55:09. | |
league titles and FA Cups. That should not affect them at all. | :55:10. | :55:15. | |
Chelsea, looking ahead, you would expect them to win tomorrow, a great | :55:16. | :55:20. | |
first season for Antonio Conte. Do they need to bring players in or do | :55:21. | :55:25. | |
they stick with what they have got? I think they will improve. I think | :55:26. | :55:29. | |
they will go out and make signings. You have to do that as a football | :55:30. | :55:34. | |
club, particularly when you have been successful, and Chelsea will go | :55:35. | :55:39. | |
out and spend a fortune, very much like the other big clubs will. I | :55:40. | :55:43. | |
think they will sign two or three big hitters to improve their team. | :55:44. | :55:49. | |
So, tomorrow, what does a day in tail for footballers as they head | :55:50. | :55:54. | |
out? Do they keep the same routine? I am interested to know how you | :55:55. | :56:00. | |
prepare. You get up and make the day as normal as possible, but it is | :56:01. | :56:04. | |
that little bit more special. You will have your pre-match and your | :56:05. | :56:08. | |
breakfast and you might go for a walk. The manager will go through | :56:09. | :56:13. | |
the team talk and the set pieces again to remind you as a player. But | :56:14. | :56:17. | |
once you walk out of the tunnel and cross the white line, it is up to | :56:18. | :56:22. | |
the players, they have to perform. What do Arsenal need to do? Is it an | :56:23. | :56:28. | |
early goal against Chelsea? Sometimes these FA Cup finals are | :56:29. | :56:33. | |
hyped. You have got two fantastic side and it can be a bit of a damp | :56:34. | :56:38. | |
squib. I do not think it is in the nature of these teams to sit back. | :56:39. | :56:43. | |
Both will try and get an early feel of the ball and keep possession. It | :56:44. | :56:48. | |
is vital for Arsenal that they do not concede early. There will be | :56:49. | :56:52. | |
some negativity around, so they will try and feel their way into the | :56:53. | :56:57. | |
game. They will get a good pass to set up their confidence. All in all | :56:58. | :57:01. | |
because of the players on show, I think it should be very good | :57:02. | :57:11. | |
spectacle I and hoping so anyway. Extra needle because of the size? | :57:12. | :57:16. | |
You desperately want to win the game. These teams have begun the | :57:17. | :57:21. | |
competition in January and they both have been working hard for this and | :57:22. | :57:25. | |
you do not want to let your fans down. Let's get the latest weather. | :57:26. | :57:34. | |
I am scared to say this. It is a bank holiday weekend, is the rain | :57:35. | :57:35. | |
coming? It is, but it is a bit more | :57:36. | :57:47. | |
complicated. It will change. There are thunderstorms on the way, but | :57:48. | :57:52. | |
there is dry weather to be had as well. I will give you all the | :57:53. | :57:56. | |
details in the next couple of minutes. There is a fair bit going | :57:57. | :58:01. | |
on, but not much has changed just yet. For the time being we have got | :58:02. | :58:06. | |
plenty of dry weather and sunshine across England, Wales, sunny skies | :58:07. | :58:14. | |
in Northern Ireland and up across Scotland there is sunshine to be | :58:15. | :58:20. | |
had. Yesterday in Aberdeen we got up to 28 degrees. Parts of northern | :58:21. | :58:24. | |
Scotland today could have the hottest weather, potentially as high | :58:25. | :58:29. | |
as 30 degrees. Sunny skies for all of us. A bit breezy and cooler close | :58:30. | :58:34. | |
to the coasts. Whether you have a breeze or not, the sun is strong | :58:35. | :58:38. | |
with particularly high UV levels at the moment. Along the south coast | :58:39. | :58:49. | |
temperatures might be pegged back. Inland it is 28 or 29. Later on in | :58:50. | :58:57. | |
the day this is the first sign of change. Scotland stays largely dry | :58:58. | :59:02. | |
again. 30 degrees is possible potentially for Caithness and | :59:03. | :59:07. | |
Sutherland. Many of us will have a fine evening and dry night. But out | :59:08. | :59:12. | |
west these are gathering and beginning to bear down on us and | :59:13. | :59:18. | |
they get into Northern Ireland by the end of the night. That is the | :59:19. | :59:24. | |
storyboard tomorrow, areas of heavy, thundery downpours courtesy of this | :59:25. | :59:30. | |
low pressure. This will be moving northwards and eastwards across | :59:31. | :59:34. | |
England and Wales. Behind them things will dry up again with some | :59:35. | :59:38. | |
sunshine. There could be more persistent rain in Northern Ireland | :59:39. | :59:44. | |
and Scotland. Things will turn a bit pressure from the West. But in the | :59:45. | :59:52. | |
South East it will be 27 in London. Northern Scotland in the high 20s | :59:53. | :59:58. | |
again. On Sunday there is plenty of dry and fine weather. It will be a | :59:59. | :00:03. | |
bit pressure, but some thunderstorms working their way up from the south | :00:04. | :00:07. | |
and there could be heavy thundery rain on Sunday night and into | :00:08. | :00:12. | |
Monday. Then we will see some sunny spells returning and by this stage | :00:13. | :00:19. | |
it is fresh air, but potentially humid in the South East. To sum | :00:20. | :00:24. | |
things up, it is a bit more mixed on this bank holiday than we have had | :00:25. | :00:30. | |
over the past couple of days. There will be some sunshine, but thundery | :00:31. | :00:33. | |
downpours as well and over the weekend it will turn a bit fresher. | :00:34. | :00:44. | |
Hello, it's Friday, it's 10am, I'm Chloe Tilly. | :00:45. | :00:46. | |
The war on terror is not working, says Jeremy Corbyn. | :00:47. | :00:49. | |
The Labour leader says he's promising change | :00:50. | :00:51. | |
But the Conservatives have criticised his comments. | :00:52. | :00:54. | |
I think Jeremy Corbyn's comments are totally | :00:55. | :00:56. | |
Police say eight men arrested in connection with Monday's attack in | :00:57. | :01:06. | |
Manchester are all suspected of terror offences and aged between 18 | :01:07. | :01:17. | |
and 38. We will have the latest. Plus, Theresa May is expected to | :01:18. | :01:24. | |
urge G-7 leaders to do more to tackle online extremism. | :01:25. | :01:28. | |
Also in the programme, we'll have the extraordinary story | :01:29. | :01:30. | |
of a how a man who was abandoned as a baby tracked down his | :01:31. | :01:33. | |
siblings with nothing more than a sample of his DNA. | :01:34. | :01:35. | |
Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :01:36. | :01:47. | |
Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn is expected to give a speech shortly in | :01:48. | :01:53. | |
which he links terrorism in the UK to military action abroad. He makes | :01:54. | :01:58. | |
the comment as campaigning resumes after the attack in Manchester. Our | :01:59. | :02:03. | |
assistant political editor Norman Smith will be at the speech for us | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
with all of the details. Greater Manchester Police have in | :02:09. | :02:11. | |
the last two minutes at eight men arrested in connection with the | :02:12. | :02:15. | |
Manchester bomb attacks are all suspected of terror offences and are | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
aged between 18 and 38. Overnight there was another arrest and more | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
police searches, including at an address in the St Helens area of | :02:24. | :02:28. | |
Merseyside, as police continue investigations into a possible wider | :02:29. | :02:31. | |
network. A 16-year-old boy has been released without charge. | :02:32. | :02:37. | |
Armed police have begun patrolling national rail services following | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
Monday's terror attack. It is the first time firearms officers have | :02:42. | :02:44. | |
been deployed on British Railways although there have been controlled | :02:45. | :02:47. | |
on London Underground since December. The terror threat remains | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
at critical meaning security services believe another attack | :02:52. | :02:52. | |
could be imminent. Theresa May is to urge | :02:53. | :02:54. | |
the leaders of the world's most developed nations to do more | :02:55. | :02:57. | |
to tackle extremism online. She's to make a speech | :02:58. | :02:59. | |
at the G7 summit of leading Our diplomatic correspondent | :03:00. | :03:01. | |
James Landale reports. Theresa May is to purge the leaders | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
of the world's leading nations to do Her first G-7 summit is a rare | :03:06. | :03:18. | |
chance for her and six other leaders to discuss the worlds problems | :03:19. | :03:19. | |
face-to-face around the table. And, as they gather in the ancient | :03:20. | :03:23. | |
coastal town of Taormina, Above all from Donald Trump, | :03:24. | :03:26. | |
who has made his doubts about multilateral groups | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
like this well-known. At this summit, as ever, | :03:31. | :03:32. | |
they'll discuss world trade, climate change, migration from north | :03:33. | :03:35. | |
Africa across these very seas. But, after the events of recent | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
days, almost inevitably the focus will be the fight | :03:39. | :03:40. | |
against global terrorism. Theresa May will sit down formally | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
with the US President, and discuss not just those leaks | :03:45. | :03:47. | |
from the Manchester bombing investigation but how she, he, | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
and other G7 leaders can work together to fight extremism | :03:53. | :03:55. | |
and terror plots online, with internet firms doing more, | :03:56. | :03:57. | |
and a new international forum, I suspect Theresa May will say, | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
"Look, let's all agree that we need a totally joined-up security effort, | :04:02. | :04:06. | |
of the sort we have within the United Kingdom, | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
amongst the G7 as a whole." But, if there is agreement among | :04:11. | :04:18. | |
these heads of government over terror, they may fall out over other | :04:19. | :04:21. | |
issues - international trade, climate change and global migration, | :04:22. | :04:23. | |
areas where Mr Trump's smiles are not matched | :04:24. | :04:26. | |
by his G7 colleagues. Travellers through Gatwick | :04:27. | :04:27. | |
airport are suffering major problems with baggage | :04:28. | :04:37. | |
disruption this morning. One passenger has said | :04:38. | :04:40. | |
the situation is 'chaos'. Gatwick Airport has apologised | :04:41. | :04:42. | |
for delays at check in. It says some flights | :04:43. | :04:45. | |
are departing without bags, and that they'll be forwarded | :04:46. | :04:47. | |
to passenger destinations. A baby has died after being found | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
in a car during one of the hottest The seven-month-old girl | :04:53. | :04:56. | |
was unresponsive when discovered in the vehicle in Dundrum village | :04:57. | :04:59. | |
in County Tipperary She was airlifted to hospital but | :05:00. | :05:01. | |
medics were unable to revive her. The baby was the only | :05:02. | :05:07. | |
child of a local couple, There are reports that | :05:08. | :05:11. | |
President Trump's son-in-law and senior White House adviser | :05:12. | :05:13. | |
Jared Kushner is under Reports say in the US media say that | :05:14. | :05:15. | |
investigators believe Mr Kushner may have significant information | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
relevant to their inquiry into alleged Russian interference | :05:20. | :05:21. | |
in last year's election. Scientists say new observations | :05:22. | :05:27. | |
of the planet Jupiter have They have been studying detailed | :05:28. | :05:29. | |
photographs sent back to earth Researchers say they have been | :05:30. | :05:35. | |
amazed by the storms Dozens of hurricanes, | :05:36. | :05:38. | |
each the size of Earth, An SOS signal made of rocks in | :05:39. | :05:45. | |
a remote part of Western Australia has prompted fears that someone, | :05:46. | :05:52. | |
or more than one person, The distress signal was spotted | :05:53. | :05:55. | |
by a helicopter pilot, leading to a ground search | :05:56. | :05:58. | |
by police, who had to reach the area Authorities have now appealed | :05:59. | :06:01. | |
for public help after failing to find any indication | :06:02. | :06:07. | |
of recent human activity. That's a summary of the latest BBC | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
News - more at 10.30am. In a few minutes we will be speaking | :06:13. | :06:25. | |
to a man who was reunited with his half siblings simply through a DNA | :06:26. | :06:28. | |
sample, it is an incredible story. We will speak to the DNA detective | :06:29. | :06:32. | |
who was involved in that, so do staging. | :06:33. | :06:33. | |
Do get in touch with us throughout the morning - | :06:34. | :06:35. | |
If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
Manchester will use sport as a way of 'showing its strength' | :06:40. | :06:49. | |
after the terrible attack in the city earlier this week. | :06:50. | :06:51. | |
At the weekend the Great Manchester Run will go ahead as planned. | :06:52. | :06:54. | |
As will today's Great City Games - it sees international stars such | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
as Great Britain's Paralympic champion Jonnie Peacock take | :06:59. | :07:00. | |
part in events right in the heart of the city. | :07:01. | :07:03. | |
Despite the heightened security, Peacock believes | :07:04. | :07:05. | |
These events are the ones that we need, we need to show | :07:06. | :07:16. | |
that it doesn't stop us, I think that's what we show | :07:17. | :07:19. | |
great in this country, what we do a great job | :07:20. | :07:21. | |
of is we will wake up the next day, get on with our lives, | :07:22. | :07:27. | |
stand up, go to our jobs, turned up to events and show | :07:28. | :07:30. | |
our support together, and I think it is the absolute | :07:31. | :07:32. | |
opposite response to what everyone wants but it is amazing | :07:33. | :07:35. | |
The first significant sporting event since Monday's attack took place | :07:36. | :07:42. | |
There was increased security at the Academy Stadium, | :07:43. | :07:45. | |
as Manchester City hosted Chelsea in the Women's Superleague | :07:46. | :07:47. | |
A Toni Duggan goal gave City a 1-0 win, a result which moves them | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
into second place in the table, just a point behind | :07:52. | :07:54. | |
Wayne Rooney says he is more or less decided about as Manchester United | :07:55. | :08:04. | |
future but won't say what that is for another two weeks. As for his | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
international career, it looks to be coming to a close. The England | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
record scorer has been left out once again by the head coach, Gareth | :08:15. | :08:17. | |
Southgate. He named his squad to face Scotland in France next month. | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
Rooney has been a bit part player in his club side this season. His | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
former club Everton or the Chinese Super League are possible | :08:26. | :08:28. | |
destinations if he leaves Old Trafford. | :08:29. | :08:35. | |
The former England captain Alan Shearer spoke to our programme | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
today and says he's not sure victory for Arsenal in tomorrow's FA Cup | :08:40. | :08:42. | |
final against Chelsea would appease the club's fans. | :08:43. | :08:44. | |
The club finished fifth in the Premier League season, | :08:45. | :08:46. | |
missing out on the Champions League for the first time in 20 years | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
and Arsene Wenger, their manager, has still not clarified his future. | :08:51. | :08:58. | |
Arsenal Midfielder Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain disagrees. | :08:59. | :09:02. | |
We have given ourselves to win a trophy and when you are in football | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
winning trophies is what it is about. It would be a bonus of the | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
season to finish on a more positive note. We wanted to finish higher up | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
the league, there is no doubting that, we cannot hide from that, we | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
need look to that, but it is a big trophy and one that we want to win | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
and definitely it would boost morale going into next season. | :09:24. | :09:27. | |
That match will be on BBC One tomorrow afternoon. That is all the | :09:28. | :09:30. | |
sport for now, back to you. We will speak to you again in a | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
while. If you are heading to Gatwick | :09:35. | :09:37. | |
Airport you will be pleased to hear that a spokesman for the airport has | :09:38. | :09:40. | |
said the problem with the automated baggage system has been fixed and | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
they are working to remedy the disruption caused by the backlog of | :09:45. | :09:47. | |
luggage. He said airlines will be forwarding passengers' luggage to | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
their destination as soon as possible, so good news if you are | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
heading to Gatwick Airport that the automated baggage system has been | :09:56. | :09:56. | |
fixed. Let's get more on those comments | :09:57. | :10:05. | |
made by the Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn this morning that UK foreign | :10:06. | :10:08. | |
policy is not working. Norman Smith, tell us more about | :10:09. | :10:11. | |
what he will say. This is a gamble by Jeremy Corbyn | :10:12. | :10:16. | |
because talking about terrorism and its causes in the wake of an | :10:17. | :10:20. | |
atrocity like Manchester, a lot of people will be uncomfortable about | :10:21. | :10:24. | |
that, there will be people who think it is inappropriate, irresponsible. | :10:25. | :10:28. | |
Mr Corbyn's view is that we have to have this discussion and talk about | :10:29. | :10:32. | |
why these terrorist attacks keep happening. And he kind of pinpoint | :10:33. | :10:38. | |
two factors. At home, he suggests part of the problem is there have | :10:39. | :10:42. | |
been significant cuts to police numbers, we lost something like | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
20,000 police officers over the last five years or so because of | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
austerity, and he says you cannot protect people, his phrase, on the | :10:51. | :10:56. | |
cheap. So part of it, he thinks, is down to simply the amount of | :10:57. | :10:59. | |
resources you can put into protecting people, and he says | :11:00. | :11:03. | |
Labour would recruit another 10,000 police officers, if the security | :11:04. | :11:05. | |
services wanted more cash, they could get more cash. The other | :11:06. | :11:23. | |
side of it is looking abroad, and arguing that these wars that we have | :11:24. | :11:25. | |
had recently in Libya, Iraq, Syria, they are part of the problem, says | :11:26. | :11:28. | |
Mr Corbyn, because they radicalise use abroad and increases the threat | :11:29. | :11:31. | |
we face. Mr Corbyn says it is not just his Bube at claims senior | :11:32. | :11:33. | |
figures in the intelligence community say that and he says we | :11:34. | :11:36. | |
have to be smarter about how we go around tackling these sorts of | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
issues. I guess that is the weaker part of his argument because it is | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
not actually clear what Mr Corbyn would do. We know he wants more | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
money for the police at home but it is not quite clear what he would do | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
about situations like Iraq or Afghanistan or Libya. I guess the | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
honest truth is he just wouldn't get involved at all, but not | :11:59. | :12:01. | |
surprisingly critics have seized on what he has said this morning, Tory | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
ministers saying it is inappropriate to have that sort of discussion now | :12:06. | :12:11. | |
and questioning Mr Corbyn's track record because he has pretty much | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
voted against I think every single piece of anti-terrorism legislation | :12:17. | :12:21. | |
passed in the last decade or so. There are profound risks here for Mr | :12:22. | :12:24. | |
Corbyn in the middle of an election campaign. | :12:25. | :12:29. | |
Norman, thank you, we will catch up with you again later on. | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
Let's also talk about the continuing investigations by police into a | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
possible network surrounding the Manchester suicide bomber, who of | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
course killed 22 people and injured 116 on Monday evening. There have | :12:43. | :12:48. | |
been more searches overnight and our correspondent is outside Greater | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
Manchester Police headquarters. Lots of activity overnight, bring us the | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
latest you are hearing on the investigation. | :12:57. | :12:59. | |
Well, this is of course a very fast-moving investigation, allow me | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
to bring you up to date with what has happened overnight and this | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
morning. One man was arrested in Manchester overnight, there has been | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
a search at a property in St Helens in Merseyside, and another surge | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
ongoing in Moss Side in Manchester as well, a different place from | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
where that man was arrested overnight, which brings the total | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
number of arrests so far in this investigation to ten, two people | :13:26. | :13:28. | |
have been released, one of them a 16-year-old boy, another 34-year-old | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
woman, so that leaves eight men in custody, | :13:33. | :13:48. | |
all aged between 18 and 38. Suspected of acts of terrorism, but | :13:49. | :13:51. | |
no one has been charged, and we must stress no one has been charged. | :13:52. | :13:53. | |
There have been a series of raids across the area in the last couple | :13:54. | :13:56. | |
of days, one of those yesterday evening in Wigan when armed police | :13:57. | :13:58. | |
and the bomb disposal unit closed off a street in Wigan and people | :13:59. | :14:01. | |
were evacuated from their homes and suspicious items may have been | :14:02. | :14:04. | |
recovered there. The threat level does remain at critical so while | :14:05. | :14:09. | |
progress is being made in this investigation, it is clear that | :14:10. | :14:12. | |
people who may have been associated with Salman Abedi are still very | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
much being sought after by police here in greater Manchester. | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
I understand Greater Manchester Police have been talking about leaks | :14:21. | :14:26. | |
of information from the US? That is right, you will remember | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
yesterday we understood police here to be furious about the publication | :14:31. | :14:34. | |
of those photographs showing fragments of what we suspect is the | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
bomb and the rucksack, published in the New York Times, and of course | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
there had been the early lead of the name of Salman Abedi far earlier | :14:45. | :14:47. | |
than Greater Manchester Police would have wanted that to have happened. | :14:48. | :14:53. | |
That irritation, that frustration, led to Greater Manchester Police | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
stopping sharing directed their information with the Americans. That | :14:57. | :15:00. | |
has now resumed, there has been an issue runs from Washington that | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
there will be no more breaches of that trust, said that now has | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
resumed. And of course this is going to be a big weekend for police here | :15:10. | :15:12. | |
in Manchester, there are some big events, it is a bank holiday, we | :15:13. | :15:18. | |
have the great Manchester city games happening, we have the Manchester | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
10k, a pop concert at Old Trafford tomorrow night, many events | :15:23. | :15:25. | |
happening and police making sure they go ahead as normal. I'm sure | :15:26. | :15:29. | |
you can expect there to be tight security but this is a sign that the | :15:30. | :15:34. | |
people here in Manchester and the police in Manchester wanting to | :15:35. | :15:46. | |
support people, to give them a chance to get on with things as | :15:47. | :15:48. | |
normally as possible while the threat level still remains at | :15:49. | :15:49. | |
critical. Later we will be asking if Jeremy | :15:50. | :16:00. | |
Corbyn is right to link terrorist attacks with military action of the | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
UK. More than 60 years ago, | :16:05. | :16:07. | |
a young baby with big, blue eyes was found wrapped | :16:08. | :16:09. | |
in blankets on a cinema Nobody knew where he came | :16:10. | :16:12. | |
from or who had left him there. That baby, Robert Weston, | :16:13. | :16:16. | |
went on to be adopted and have a family of his own, | :16:17. | :16:18. | |
but with no clues to his identity he spent decades | :16:19. | :16:21. | |
searching for answers. Now, thanks to the help | :16:22. | :16:23. | |
of Julia Bell, a DNA detective, Robert has uncovered his family | :16:24. | :16:25. | |
and has been united with his half-brother Tommy | :16:26. | :16:28. | |
and half-sister Pat. He's joining us with Julia | :16:29. | :16:32. | |
and Tommy for the first This is such an incredible story. | :16:33. | :16:42. | |
Let's go right back to the beginning, Robert, if we can. How | :16:43. | :16:47. | |
did you manage to get Julia's help and track down your siblings? OK, it | :16:48. | :16:51. | |
was basically my eldest daughter. We realised we had reached the end | :16:52. | :17:02. | |
in terms of where we could go in terms of media searches and she came | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
up with the idea of a Facebook page and she popped back up and it | :17:07. | :17:10. | |
started to attract attention and people started to look at it. Julia | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
was one of those people and got in touch with my eldest daughter and | :17:16. | :17:18. | |
they had a conversation about what could be done. So, what information | :17:19. | :17:25. | |
did you have about what had happened to you as a baby? What was your | :17:26. | :17:30. | |
starting point? You are left in a cinema? Yes, absolutely. Life for me | :17:31. | :17:37. | |
started normally until I was about three weeks of age. My mother left | :17:38. | :17:40. | |
me in the toilets in the Odeon cinema in Birmingham. There was a | :17:41. | :17:48. | |
lot of searching going on for the woman they were looking for, but | :17:49. | :17:52. | |
they did not find anyone. In the meantime, I had been taken to | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
hospital, checked over, found to be healthy, well nourished and cared | :17:59. | :18:00. | |
for and wrapped up in some good clothing. I was then taken to a | :18:01. | :18:06. | |
children's home while they were searching for my mother. They did | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
not find her so they decided to give me a name and ironically they called | :18:11. | :18:18. | |
me Robert after the Bobby who took me in, the policeman who took me | :18:19. | :18:21. | |
into the hospital, and the duty doctor. His surname was Bruce and | :18:22. | :18:27. | |
they gave me the name of Robert Bruce. Considering my family are | :18:28. | :18:32. | |
Scottish that is quite amazing. I spent the next seven years in the | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
children's home. It was not particularly nice, not a good place, | :18:38. | :18:41. | |
then I was adopted by an amazing couple at the age of seven and I | :18:42. | :18:47. | |
stayed with them until I was 15. So I had a first home at the age of | :18:48. | :18:54. | |
seven. You felt there was something missing, that you needed to connect | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
with your blood family? Yes, absolutely. I knew from an early age | :18:59. | :19:03. | |
that things were different. I did not have a mother or a father. That | :19:04. | :19:07. | |
is a difficult thing to take on board. There is a grey veil either | :19:08. | :19:14. | |
side of you. Most people can connect, they have a link to reality | :19:15. | :19:19. | |
in a sense, their culture, who they are and where they come from and | :19:20. | :19:23. | |
they look to their parents and grandparents. I had nothing there at | :19:24. | :19:27. | |
all. History started with me and that was a difficult thing to deal | :19:28. | :19:35. | |
with. How do you deal with that? It took a long time, really, to come to | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
terms with it. That is when Julia stepped in to help you. Did you get | :19:41. | :19:46. | |
in touch through the Facebook page? Yes, initially, and I explained how | :19:47. | :19:52. | |
he might begin to progress. I am fascinated by the concept of a DNA | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
detective and I want to bring Tommy in in a moment, but I want to know | :19:58. | :20:03. | |
how you tracked down Tommy. It is a question of connecting to the three | :20:04. | :20:11. | |
big databases. At ancestry DNA you have about 4 million people on | :20:12. | :20:18. | |
there. They take privacy seriously and you can get an estimate to | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
compare you to the population. I began to get an idea that Robert was | :20:24. | :20:27. | |
from Scotland, Ireland, the initial clues. Then I looked at the matching | :20:28. | :20:32. | |
database which compares you to other people, cousins, who are on there. | :20:33. | :20:38. | |
There was a close match but I could see nothing visible about them, but | :20:39. | :20:44. | |
I could see they connected with others and eventually doing many | :20:45. | :20:48. | |
family trees and looking for common ancestor pairs and working the data | :20:49. | :20:54. | |
forward, DNA is a tool and you use logic, intuition and science to | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
gradually get to the family, the charmer 's family, and they | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
volunteered to test to help us get closer to the first cousin and | :21:04. | :21:06. | |
eventually get closer to a half sibling. Tommy, when were you | :21:07. | :21:11. | |
alerted to the fact that this was going on? This is about February. A | :21:12. | :21:18. | |
second cousin of mine got in touch and said that she had done DNA tests | :21:19. | :21:26. | |
herself, she was looking into her own background. They knew that this | :21:27. | :21:32. | |
was a close match, but not close enough, so her mother took a DNA | :21:33. | :21:39. | |
test, which was my cousin, Deborah charmers, and they knew then it was | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
an uncle. Unfortunately the uncles had all passed away and she asked if | :21:45. | :21:49. | |
I would be prepared to take a DNA test. I said no problem and I took | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
the DNA test and it was a match, he was a half brother. Did you have any | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
idea at all that you had a half brother? Yes, we sort of suspected | :22:00. | :22:15. | |
it because when my father died, when Robert's father died, in 1996, there | :22:16. | :22:20. | |
was a letter found. I have never seen this letter but some of the | :22:21. | :22:27. | |
family have. It mentioned this was a letter from Robert's mother to my | :22:28. | :22:33. | |
father, saying that she could not afford to look after both children. | :22:34. | :22:49. | |
There was a name mentioned in the letter of Lawrie or Lowry, we are | :22:50. | :22:55. | |
not sure which. It may be Robert's real name or it could be an older | :22:56. | :23:01. | |
brother's name. We are continuing to hug for that person. Somebody | :23:02. | :23:12. | |
appeared we think about 1977, 1978 looking for my father here. But it | :23:13. | :23:22. | |
was an older brother of mine who told me that. Unfortunately he died | :23:23. | :23:26. | |
two years ago so I cannot go any further with that because he was the | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
only one who knew that. Tommy, I know you cannot see Robert right | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
now, but I am watching his reaction and at times the smiling. You are | :23:36. | :23:43. | |
still very emotional about this. Yes, absolutely. It is astonishing | :23:44. | :23:49. | |
really. I talked to Tommy and Pat and some of the others most days. I | :23:50. | :23:57. | |
talked to a lot of the family now in Scotland most days really, so it is | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
a big difference. One minute there is nothing there and the next minute | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
all these people are there and I get on really well with all of them. | :24:07. | :24:14. | |
Tommy and I are very similar, we have a lot of similarities, we are | :24:15. | :24:18. | |
still discovering them. Yes, it is fascinating. He is lovely. I am | :24:19. | :24:26. | |
interested from both of your perspectives. Tommy, what was that | :24:27. | :24:30. | |
first conversation on the phone or the first meeting with Robert light? | :24:31. | :24:38. | |
Can you share that with us? As I say, it was not really a surprise. | :24:39. | :24:44. | |
We sort of knew there was something there but nobody ever took that | :24:45. | :24:50. | |
forward. I remember seeing this story in the paper years ago but | :24:51. | :24:54. | |
never put two and two together again. But it's sort of all makes | :24:55. | :25:03. | |
sense now. The first conversation was... I cannot explain it. It | :25:04. | :25:13. | |
was... It took a long time for it to sink in, I think. I think it still | :25:14. | :25:19. | |
does, it still has not sunk in properly yet that we now have | :25:20. | :25:28. | |
another brother. It is just a strange feeling that brings up a lot | :25:29. | :25:32. | |
of emotions, not only with me, but the rest of the family as well. But | :25:33. | :25:39. | |
I think overall everybody is delighted with this. Robert, what | :25:40. | :25:47. | |
was that first meeting like for you? It was kind of a scary thing | :25:48. | :25:52. | |
initially because I had been given this phone number and I sent him a | :25:53. | :25:57. | |
text and things like that and then I was thinking, I am going to phone my | :25:58. | :26:03. | |
brother. Being able to say that for the first time in my life, I am | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
actually going to phone my brother, and at this time I did not know. I | :26:08. | :26:14. | |
thought it was just him. I was not aware of there being other people. | :26:15. | :26:19. | |
When I spoke to him the first time I was astonished, you know. It was | :26:20. | :26:27. | |
amazing, really. I kept thinking to myself, I am talking to my brother. | :26:28. | :26:31. | |
It sounds a bit silly, but it kept rolling through my head, it was | :26:32. | :26:37. | |
pretty amazing. Then Tommy in the conversation said, by the way it is | :26:38. | :26:42. | |
not just me. You have got five brothers and a sister. It is so much | :26:43. | :26:50. | |
for both of you to take in. Julia, this must be the best job in the | :26:51. | :26:57. | |
world. You are sitting here smiling. Definitely, I am very privileged to | :26:58. | :26:59. | |
work with Robert and with other people who do not know who their | :27:00. | :27:06. | |
parents are. It is a real privilege. Robert has been amazing, we have met | :27:07. | :27:09. | |
for the first time now and now I am looking forward towards finding his | :27:10. | :27:16. | |
mother. We know Brian is a possibility, Aston, Hendry and | :27:17. | :27:25. | |
Williams. And Oswestry, have I got that correct? That is the sort of | :27:26. | :27:32. | |
area. We have some idea as to who his mother might be. I cannot reveal | :27:33. | :27:38. | |
that for good reasons, but she will be deceased if it is her. That might | :27:39. | :27:44. | |
mean it is slightly less sensitive and somebody who I know might | :27:45. | :27:50. | |
hopefully get in touch. I am hopeful we can use the power within the | :27:51. | :27:56. | |
matching databases to do this. But if anyone can help us along our way, | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
that would be fantastic. Robert, how important is that for you? I know | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
your father passed away so you have not been able to meet him. How | :28:07. | :28:10. | |
important would it be for the jigsaw puzzle to know who your mother was | :28:11. | :28:15. | |
even if she has passed away? For me that was the focus of my search, | :28:16. | :28:20. | |
really. I did not think I would have much chance of finding out who my | :28:21. | :28:26. | |
dad was. I thought I would find my mother first and then my dad. So | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
finding my father is amazing, but finding my mother is still a big | :28:31. | :28:36. | |
part of what I want to do. I think she had reasons for what she did, | :28:37. | :28:40. | |
but I feel that because of the way in which I was left I do not | :28:41. | :28:46. | |
think... I think really she was in a desperate space. I think if she had | :28:47. | :28:53. | |
had another choice, she would not have done that. I am very keen to | :28:54. | :28:58. | |
see where she is and find out who she is because that also helps me | :28:59. | :29:03. | |
identify who I am from that side of the family as well. It gives me a | :29:04. | :29:09. | |
history and it is important I also pass on to my children as much | :29:10. | :29:14. | |
history, family history, on both sides as I can. Is it about needing | :29:15. | :29:20. | |
to know why she left you? Yes, partly. I would understand any | :29:21. | :29:29. | |
reason because over the years I have worked through all the emotions and | :29:30. | :29:34. | |
things like that that go along with it. I feel a lot of love for her and | :29:35. | :29:41. | |
I feel a connection. There is absolutely nothing to forgive. It is | :29:42. | :29:47. | |
possible I will never meet her, but if I ever could have done, I would | :29:48. | :29:54. | |
give her a hug. It has been so lovely to speak to all of you. It is | :29:55. | :29:59. | |
an incredible story, and I hope you make some progress. It has been | :30:00. | :30:01. | |
lovely to speak to you. Still to come Cole on terror is not | :30:02. | :30:13. | |
working. That is from Jeremy Corbyn if Labour wins the election. Is it | :30:14. | :30:20. | |
right to link military action overseas to terrorists here in the | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
UK? The pranksters who were tampering with the walkers crisps | :30:25. | :30:28. | |
advertising campaign, we will talk about that. | :30:29. | :30:33. | |
It has gone viral, it has been pulled by Walkers crisps, so we will | :30:34. | :30:37. | |
talk about that later on. With the news, here's Annita | :30:38. | :30:39. | |
in the BBC Newsroom. The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn | :30:40. | :30:41. | |
will give a major speech shortly, in which he's expected to link | :30:42. | :30:44. | |
British military action abroad He's making the comments as election | :30:45. | :30:49. | |
campaigning resumes after the terror attack in Manchester, | :30:50. | :30:55. | |
in which 22 people were killed. The comments have already come | :30:56. | :31:04. | |
in for criticism on both sides of the political divide, | :31:05. | :31:06. | |
with the Tories calling them Greater Manchester police has said | :31:07. | :31:08. | |
eight men arrested in connection with the Manchester bomb attack | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
are all suspected of terror offences Overnight there was another arrest | :31:13. | :31:15. | |
and more police searches, including at an address | :31:16. | :31:21. | |
in the St Helens area of Merseyside, as police | :31:22. | :31:23. | |
continue their investigations A 16-year-old boy has been | :31:24. | :31:25. | |
released without charge. And armed police have begun | :31:26. | :31:32. | |
patrolling national rail services It's the first time that firearms | :31:33. | :31:34. | |
officers have been deployed on Britain's railways, | :31:35. | :31:40. | |
although there have been patrols on the London | :31:41. | :31:43. | |
Underground since December. The terror threat remains | :31:44. | :31:45. | |
at critical, meaning security services believe another attack | :31:46. | :31:47. | |
could be imminent. Theresa May is to urge the leaders | :31:48. | :31:52. | |
of the world's most developed nations to do more to tackle | :31:53. | :31:55. | |
extremism online. She'll make the call at the G7 | :31:56. | :31:58. | |
summit of leading industrial nations in Sicily, attended | :31:59. | :32:01. | |
by President Donald Trump. The leaders, also including | :32:02. | :32:09. | |
Emmanuel Macron of France and Germany's Chancellor Merkel, | :32:10. | :32:13. | |
will discuss a range of issues including global security, | :32:14. | :32:15. | |
trade and climate change. Gatwick Airport says the major | :32:16. | :32:22. | |
problems it suffered with baggage this morning are now over and the | :32:23. | :32:26. | |
issue is resolved. Travellers tweeted pictures of the pile-up and | :32:27. | :32:31. | |
one described it as chaotic. Some flights have already departed | :32:32. | :32:33. | |
without some of their passengers' bag. | :32:34. | :32:39. | |
The media personality Katie Hopkins has been axed from her job | :32:40. | :32:42. | |
presenting a talk show on the radio station LBC, it follows a tweet in | :32:43. | :32:47. | |
which she said after Monday's attack that a final solution was needed to | :32:48. | :32:56. | |
terror. She was reported to police and eight Sack Hopkins Now campaign | :32:57. | :33:00. | |
followed. A spokesman said both sides agreed she would be effective | :33:01. | :33:01. | |
immediately. An SOS signal made of rocks in | :33:02. | :33:06. | |
a remote part of Western Australia has prompted fears that someone, | :33:07. | :33:09. | |
or more than one person, The distress signal was spotted | :33:10. | :33:11. | |
by a helicopter pilot, leading to a ground search | :33:12. | :33:14. | |
by police, who had to reach the area Authorities have now appealed | :33:15. | :33:17. | |
for public help after failing to find any indication | :33:18. | :33:21. | |
of recent human activity. That's a summary of the latest | :33:22. | :33:23. | |
news, join me for BBC Paralympic sprint champion | :33:24. | :33:25. | |
Jonny Peacock says sport can help show people 'that nothing | :33:26. | :33:40. | |
will stop us'. The Great City Games in Manchester | :33:41. | :33:42. | |
will go ahead in Manchester today among heightened security | :33:43. | :33:45. | |
in the city. As for the Great Manchester Run on | :33:46. | :33:46. | |
Sunday. Manchester City's women beat | :33:47. | :33:50. | |
Chelsea 1-0 in the first significant sporting event | :33:51. | :33:59. | |
to take place in Manchester Hull City say they are | :34:00. | :34:01. | |
"disappointed" at Marco's Silva's Silva, who has been linked | :34:02. | :34:04. | |
with a host of jobs in England and Europe, has left the club | :34:05. | :34:08. | |
following their relegation Ben Ainslie's Land Rover BAR | :34:09. | :34:10. | |
team are trying to qualify These are the scenic pictures | :34:11. | :34:14. | |
of Bermuda earlier this week, but qualifying has been delayed | :34:15. | :34:19. | |
by 24 hours due to high winds I will be back with more sport in | :34:20. | :34:22. | |
newsroom live at 11am. The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn | :34:23. | :34:27. | |
is resuming his party's election campaign with a speech linking | :34:28. | :34:30. | |
British military action overseas, In a moment we will speak | :34:31. | :34:32. | |
to Dr Alan Mendoza from the Henry Jackson Society - | :34:33. | :34:54. | |
a think tank specialising And from Lancaster by | :34:55. | :34:56. | |
Dr Simon Mabon, who researches the International Relations | :34:57. | :34:59. | |
of the Middle East But first of all our security | :35:00. | :35:04. | |
correspondent Frank Gardner is here, what do we know about the sheer | :35:05. | :35:06. | |
scale of investigations that are ongoing right now not just because | :35:07. | :35:09. | |
of the Manchester attack but across the country? | :35:10. | :35:13. | |
I think it will be quite a shock to learn that what MI5 released | :35:14. | :35:18. | |
yesterday, they are currently working on 500 investigations, they | :35:19. | :35:21. | |
have about 3000 people on their watchlist, those are the people they | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
know about, so-called persons of interest, of whom Salman Abedi, the | :35:26. | :35:30. | |
bomber, was a former person of interest, and I think that will | :35:31. | :35:33. | |
spark some serious questions being asked at Whitehall as to why they | :35:34. | :35:37. | |
were not on his tail a bit more closely. But 500 investigations | :35:38. | :35:43. | |
currently with the Manchester investigation, ten people arrested, | :35:44. | :35:47. | |
two have been released, eight in custody, plus remember that the | :35:48. | :35:51. | |
bombers' brother and father have both been detained in Libya by what | :35:52. | :35:55. | |
is called a deterrent force, basically in militia that is loyal | :35:56. | :36:02. | |
to the UN recognised Government. Jeremy Corbyn made these comments | :36:03. | :36:06. | |
about the war on terrorism not working, and some people may be | :36:07. | :36:09. | |
scratching their heads thinking, where are we on the war on | :36:10. | :36:12. | |
terrorism? Update us on what the UK's role is right now. | :36:13. | :36:18. | |
OK, personally I have never liked that expression, it is like a war on | :36:19. | :36:23. | |
air, you cannot have a war on terrorism, it is a meaningless | :36:24. | :36:27. | |
expression. But what it refers to is the combined international but | :36:28. | :36:30. | |
US-led reaction to terrorist attacks going right back to 2001. It started | :36:31. | :36:35. | |
with Afghanistan, demanding the Taliban hand over Al-Qaeda and some | :36:36. | :36:40. | |
big garden, the leaders. They refused, so launched what was called | :36:41. | :36:47. | |
Operation Interior Freedom to kick out the Taliban and destroy | :36:48. | :36:50. | |
Al-Qaeda. It only half walked, they pushed them across the border and it | :36:51. | :36:57. | |
did not finish, it morphed into the global war on terror, then the | :36:58. | :37:00. | |
global struggle against violent extremism. You get the idea. | :37:01. | :37:06. | |
Inevitably some actions have been counter-productive. Ted Nigeria, for | :37:07. | :37:11. | |
example, the Government there is pursuing what it sees as terrorists | :37:12. | :37:16. | |
with such relentless vigour that it is also killing civilians in some | :37:17. | :37:21. | |
cases, whole villages have been traumatised, and that helps recruit | :37:22. | :37:25. | |
people for Boko Haram. So there are elements of the global war against | :37:26. | :37:29. | |
terrorism which backfired. Jeremy Corbyn's point is that there is a | :37:30. | :37:35. | |
link with Britain's intervention overseas and what happens here. It | :37:36. | :37:39. | |
is a risky line to go down if terrorists can use that but then | :37:40. | :37:43. | |
again there is no denying that there is, it is one of the planks they | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
used to justify what they are doing, one of many. Remember the people | :37:48. | :37:52. | |
carrying out these attacks are generally people with troubled | :37:53. | :37:55. | |
pasts, often in trouble with the law, Pettigrew minerals and so on. | :37:56. | :38:00. | |
When George W Bush launched the war on terror, there was a feeling it | :38:01. | :38:02. | |
was a global effort. | :38:03. | :38:25. | |
Do you get the feeling now it is not so much, that individual countries | :38:26. | :38:27. | |
are pursuing their own approaches? There is a coalition against Isis | :38:28. | :38:29. | |
that is very active in Syria and Iraq, primarily as strikes, US-led | :38:30. | :38:32. | |
but there are lots of other countries as well, mostly European | :38:33. | :38:33. | |
countries and yesterday Nato agreed to join that coalition. It won't | :38:34. | :38:36. | |
make a huge difference but will lend some eyes to the intelligence, | :38:37. | :38:39. | |
scanning from the air, sea and grad targets are, but that is one of the | :38:40. | :38:41. | |
reasons why Isis is trying to retaliate in Europe because their | :38:42. | :38:43. | |
caliphate is shrinking. They had brutalised the population under | :38:44. | :38:45. | |
their control and these air strikes are not going in willy-nilly, let's | :38:46. | :38:50. | |
just bomb some villagers, they are going in targeted, trying to rid the | :38:51. | :38:54. | |
Middle East of the organisation that has brutalised them. The people in | :38:55. | :38:58. | |
the Middle East don't want Isis, let's be clear about this, Isis does | :38:59. | :39:02. | |
not represent the Middle East, it is an abomination for people out there, | :39:03. | :39:06. | |
they call them outsiders from Islam. I will be keen for you to chip in on | :39:07. | :39:13. | |
this conversation as well. I want to bring in Dr Mendoza, what do you | :39:14. | :39:16. | |
make of the comments today from Jeremy Corbyn saying the war on | :39:17. | :39:19. | |
terror is not working? I don't want to focus on Jeremy Corbyn himself, | :39:20. | :39:25. | |
people can make up their own minds about that. The underlying argument | :39:26. | :39:31. | |
gives us a perspective on history in recent times. What we are failing to | :39:32. | :39:35. | |
do in this debate is look at what the terrorists themselves say to us, | :39:36. | :39:39. | |
what Isis, Al-Qaeda said for many years, which is it is actually about | :39:40. | :39:44. | |
us, that our beliefs versus their beliefs. They have clear believes in | :39:45. | :39:47. | |
a radical Islamist system, they wish for those believes to be universal, | :39:48. | :39:52. | |
they think that our way of life is decadent, they wish to punish us, to | :39:53. | :39:55. | |
subvert what we do in their way instead and that is why they are | :39:56. | :40:15. | |
attacking us, they are pretty open about this. Propaganda magazines | :40:16. | :40:17. | |
come out all the time from Isis that explain the list of reasons and it | :40:18. | :40:20. | |
is true that foreign policy is at the bottom but they are open about | :40:21. | :40:23. | |
it, it is not the main issue. Even if foreign policy was not there, | :40:24. | :40:25. | |
they said they would still attack because we are not Muslim, but their | :40:26. | :40:28. | |
form of Muslim, and Frank is right to suggest that Isis does not | :40:29. | :40:30. | |
represent the Middle East and it does not represent any number of | :40:31. | :40:33. | |
Muslims in this, it is a small section of the Muslim population, | :40:34. | :40:36. | |
but it is, crucially, linked to a religious ideology. I want to bring | :40:37. | :40:38. | |
gait do, do you agree that what we are hearing, foreign policy aside, | :40:39. | :40:42. | |
we will always be a target in the UK for people who want to carry out | :40:43. | :40:51. | |
terror attacks? I agree but I want to add some nuance, if we look at | :40:52. | :40:56. | |
the 7/7 attacks, it was clear the Iraq war was put forward as one of | :40:57. | :40:59. | |
the main reasons the attacks were carried out, and if we go right back | :41:00. | :41:04. | |
to the heart of this move towards radical Islamist, the writings of | :41:05. | :41:13. | |
some of the figures, there is a clear legacy of colonialism, clear | :41:14. | :41:17. | |
legacy of external involvement, external interference in the | :41:18. | :41:21. | |
domestic affairs of Middle Eastern states. That is a very clear root of | :41:22. | :41:28. | |
this problem. This radical Islamist ideology does not exist purely in a | :41:29. | :41:32. | |
vacuum, there is a much larger political, social, economic context | :41:33. | :41:36. | |
that helps the ideology to find traction amongst people that, as | :41:37. | :41:42. | |
Frank correctly asserts, our people struggling to fit within society, | :41:43. | :41:46. | |
petty criminals, people that have struggled to assimilate within | :41:47. | :41:50. | |
communities. But when foreign policies have come in and have such | :41:51. | :41:55. | |
a devastating effect on society, particularly in Syria, in Iraq, in | :41:56. | :42:00. | |
Afghanistan, you can see that there is a legacy of involvement, and you | :42:01. | :42:06. | |
can see the impact it is having on people. The problem with that | :42:07. | :42:11. | |
argument is if you look again at what the terrorists said, over time | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
their argument changes on the foreign policy question. Go back and | :42:16. | :42:21. | |
read a book called The Islamist, the author explains he was radicalised | :42:22. | :42:24. | |
by the Bosnian war, propaganda coming out saying, we did not | :42:25. | :42:29. | |
intervene therefore we did not care about Muslims, our human rights | :42:30. | :42:32. | |
beliefs are a charade, and that encourage people like Moazzam Begg | :42:33. | :42:40. | |
to go out and, or at least to go down a radical path. You have | :42:41. | :42:45. | |
nonintervention in the 1990s, you have intervention in the 2000s, | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
Iraq, Afghanistan, then of Syria whether propaganda is, look at how | :42:51. | :42:55. | |
the West stands by and let Assad murder hundreds of hundreds of | :42:56. | :42:58. | |
thousands of Muslims and does nothing. Again, come and join us, we | :42:59. | :43:03. | |
are the winners here, they are the losers, and that is what it does, so | :43:04. | :43:07. | |
the argument changes. So it is an impossible line to Frank? | :43:08. | :43:12. | |
In the eyes of hard-core jihadists, the West is dammed whatever it does, | :43:13. | :43:17. | |
so I would agree with Alan on that one. If you look at Libya, it is a | :43:18. | :43:24. | |
mess today, it is a low hanging fruit to say this is all the fault | :43:25. | :43:27. | |
of the West because they intervened and then abandoned the country. They | :43:28. | :43:32. | |
didn't want to have an army of occupation. If Nato had gone into | :43:33. | :43:35. | |
Libya after the overthrow of Colonel Gaddafi, they would have become | :43:36. | :43:40. | |
targets and a focus for a popular, let's get the Western Crusaders out | :43:41. | :43:44. | |
of Libya, amongst jihadis. So Libya I think has disappointed a lot of | :43:45. | :43:52. | |
people, it should be a success story, it has massive hydrocarbon | :43:53. | :43:56. | |
reserves, small population, on the Mediterranean shores, close to | :43:57. | :43:59. | |
Europe, it should be a success and yet Colonel Gaddafi and his vile | :44:00. | :44:03. | |
regime held the country in such a vice like grip that he made sure | :44:04. | :44:08. | |
that whatever happened after him would be disaster and sure enough | :44:09. | :44:11. | |
the country has fragmented into all of these different items, which is | :44:12. | :44:15. | |
why it is such an easy breeding ground for extremists. | :44:16. | :44:22. | |
Doctor Mendoza, I have been speaking to colleagues at BBC Arabic who said | :44:23. | :44:27. | |
when they have been in Manchester speaking to Libyans living in | :44:28. | :44:32. | |
Manchester, many of them have said, off camera or off microphone, | :44:33. | :44:36. | |
interestingly, it is the foreign policy, actually, that is what is | :44:37. | :44:40. | |
making us angry, and although I feel integrated in Manchester and I feel | :44:41. | :44:43. | |
like this is my home, I am very angry about what is happening in | :44:44. | :44:48. | |
Libya, and they can understand, not necessarily agree with, but | :44:49. | :44:52. | |
understand why people would be radicalised as a result. Foreign | :44:53. | :44:54. | |
policy in general does make people angry. I debuted the example earlier | :44:55. | :45:01. | |
of nonintervention as well, in the 1990s, people like Moazzam Begg, not | :45:02. | :45:06. | |
jihadists, people who had radical views because of nonintervention, | :45:07. | :45:09. | |
they were angry about it, angry that people were dying and we were doing | :45:10. | :45:14. | |
nothing about it, other people were angry and think we were somehow | :45:15. | :45:19. | |
responsible for it. The Libyan case is fascinating because if you look | :45:20. | :45:22. | |
at the history of the bomber and his family, why did they flee Libya in | :45:23. | :45:26. | |
the first place? It was because the Gaddafi regime was targeting them, | :45:27. | :45:30. | |
they were political refugees. Why did they go back to Libya? It was | :45:31. | :45:34. | |
because the international community, and I stress that word, the | :45:35. | :45:38. | |
international community had come together to stop Gaddafi from | :45:39. | :45:42. | |
murdering more civilians... I am going to have to jump in, only | :45:43. | :45:45. | |
because I know that we are getting like pictures coming from the G7 | :45:46. | :45:49. | |
right now. Thank you so much for joining us on the programme. | :45:50. | :45:53. | |
The Prime Minister Theresa May meeting there with other | :45:54. | :45:56. | |
international leaders in an incredibly beautiful part of Sicily, | :45:57. | :46:04. | |
Taormina, and I think James Reynolds is there to speak with us as well. | :46:05. | :46:24. | |
Angela Merkel is coming and shaking hands, it is her 12 summit, it is | :46:25. | :46:34. | |
Theresa May's first G-7 summit and Donald Trump was my first as well. | :46:35. | :46:39. | |
Theresa May is only staying for this day, she is not staying for the | :46:40. | :46:44. | |
second day. She says she wants to get back to Britain because of the | :46:45. | :46:49. | |
bombing. She has a point for being here, she wants to have a | :46:50. | :46:56. | |
conversation about stopping threats, but she will not end that | :46:57. | :47:01. | |
conversation, there will be a lot of questions about regulation of the | :47:02. | :47:04. | |
Internet and whether that threatens civil liberties. Angela Merkel has | :47:05. | :47:09. | |
just come out. Interesting you say Theresa May is only staying for one | :47:10. | :47:14. | |
day. She wants to get home. Is that being frowned upon by people at the | :47:15. | :47:20. | |
G-7 or is there an understanding? No, world leaders do this whenever | :47:21. | :47:24. | |
there is a crisis they face at home. Other leaders do this routinely. | :47:25. | :47:29. | |
They will go for a short amount of time to a summit, so it is pretty | :47:30. | :47:34. | |
standard political behaviour and something the other leaders appear | :47:35. | :47:38. | |
to understand. It gives her a short time in which to have a debate and | :47:39. | :47:41. | |
engage the other leaders and she will want to use the several hours | :47:42. | :47:47. | |
she is here quite wisely. Some of that time she will want to spend | :47:48. | :47:51. | |
talking to Donald Trump to see if she can repair the relationship | :47:52. | :47:54. | |
between the countries following the intelligence leak. It is Donald | :47:55. | :47:59. | |
Trump was at first G-7 summit. Any idea how he will be welcomed by the | :48:00. | :48:05. | |
other leaders? We well know in a few minutes because he will be having a | :48:06. | :48:10. | |
handshake. Now we are almost all upset by the handshake wars, whether | :48:11. | :48:17. | |
or not he will seek a tug with the French president like yesterday, | :48:18. | :48:19. | |
whether he will jostle his way to the front like he did with the | :48:20. | :48:23. | |
Montenegro leader. This almost sounds like a joke, but we have to | :48:24. | :48:28. | |
look closely at how they behave. How they get on with one another is an | :48:29. | :48:32. | |
indicator of how they deal with each other. He was pretty brutal when he | :48:33. | :48:39. | |
spoke at Nato yesterday, he was rising and eyebrow, about how it is | :48:40. | :48:48. | |
very expensive. Is it likely he will be critical? Possibly, that is the | :48:49. | :48:52. | |
way he has wanted to communicate on this trip. His criticism of the Nato | :48:53. | :48:58. | |
leaders yesterday will have been received well back home by those who | :48:59. | :49:02. | |
voted for him in the election who see a lot of US spending abroad and | :49:03. | :49:07. | |
wonder what it is about. He did have an audience for that. But the | :49:08. | :49:12. | |
leaders who are meeting him will want to try to work out what does he | :49:13. | :49:16. | |
mean? And what is just bluster. Let's take climate change. During | :49:17. | :49:21. | |
the campaign he said it was a hoax. Now they are wondering if he will | :49:22. | :49:25. | |
pull out from the Paris climate agreement. They were asking do you | :49:26. | :49:30. | |
believe in climate change or not? This is a chance for them to work | :49:31. | :49:36. | |
out where he stands. Emmanuel Macron, the new French president, | :49:37. | :49:40. | |
has just come out. He met with Donald Trump yesterday. They did and | :49:41. | :49:46. | |
they have a handshake which was described as a tug of war. Then they | :49:47. | :49:50. | |
had another handshake at a photocall a bit later on and everyone is | :49:51. | :49:54. | |
trying to measure each other up and get the size of each other. Emmanuel | :49:55. | :49:59. | |
Macron during his election campaign showed himself to be a pretty tough | :50:00. | :50:04. | |
character. I do not believe he will give way on a lot of battles abroad | :50:05. | :50:10. | |
either. He will see eye to eye with Angela Merkel. There is a strange | :50:11. | :50:14. | |
relationship with Britain at the moment given Britain is moving into | :50:15. | :50:19. | |
its Brexit stage. But some countries in Europe will want to stand | :50:20. | :50:24. | |
together and say to Donald Trump, we need to stand to gather dashed | :50:25. | :50:31. | |
together on climate change. I do not know if you can see the see behind | :50:32. | :50:36. | |
me. This is where migrants cross. Italy want to get more agreement | :50:37. | :50:41. | |
about what happens to those people once they get on Italian soil. | :50:42. | :50:46. | |
Others might say they want to stop people making the journey in the | :50:47. | :50:51. | |
first place. Theresa May is only staying for one day. Yesterday I | :50:52. | :50:55. | |
understand there was a chat between Donald Trump and Theresa May about | :50:56. | :50:59. | |
this leaking of information about the Manchester attack. It was not a | :51:00. | :51:05. | |
long conversation, it was a photo opportunity. Will they have a better | :51:06. | :51:12. | |
chance today? I am sure they will. They are all meeting well out of our | :51:13. | :51:17. | |
sight on the hilltop. We do not know the exact schedule of the leaders, | :51:18. | :51:23. | |
perhaps that is flexible. But there are only seven members so I do not | :51:24. | :51:27. | |
think it will take much effort for Theresa May and Donald Trump to | :51:28. | :51:30. | |
stand aside and talk about intelligence. Donald Trump said he | :51:31. | :51:35. | |
was as appalled as the British because of the leaking and he wanted | :51:36. | :51:40. | |
an investigation into it as well. That seems to have resolved some of | :51:41. | :51:44. | |
that very public tension between the two sides, but Theresa May will want | :51:45. | :51:50. | |
to talk about that today. You say they are only seven leaders, I | :51:51. | :51:53. | |
cannot believe it has taken this long to shake hands. It is quite a | :51:54. | :51:59. | |
walk up the hill. They have to walk along the ancient areas and there is | :52:00. | :52:03. | |
an amphitheatre where they are watching a concert tonight. Some of | :52:04. | :52:06. | |
the leaders may enjoy that more than the others. We had the Italian Prime | :52:07. | :52:12. | |
Minister, the host, Justin Trudeau from Canada, Shinzo Abe Abbey, from | :52:13. | :52:18. | |
Japan, I think Donald Trump is the only one who has not come out. I | :52:19. | :52:23. | |
think he is the last one. I am not sure of the protocol. This is his | :52:24. | :52:29. | |
first summit, bear that in mind. I am sure we will get some reading | :52:30. | :52:33. | |
into what the first handshake is like. Lots of comments coming in. | :52:34. | :52:39. | |
This is on what Jeremy Corbyn has said about the war on terror not | :52:40. | :52:46. | |
working and how activity with our foreign policy affects things in the | :52:47. | :52:50. | |
UK. Robert says, if he believes it, how naive of Jeremy Corbyn to stay | :52:51. | :52:54. | |
one of the main reasons behind Monday's terror attack is Britain's | :52:55. | :53:00. | |
involved in wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan. The Manchester | :53:01. | :53:03. | |
bomber may have used this as an excuse, but the main aim of radical | :53:04. | :53:08. | |
Muslim extremists is to disrupt a way of living that does not adhere | :53:09. | :53:11. | |
to their strict religious views of society. Another tweak, we can no | :53:12. | :53:17. | |
longer sweep the war on terror under the carpet. The Middle East has been | :53:18. | :53:22. | |
bombed for years and it has made things worse. | :53:23. | :53:26. | |
You may have thought big brands would have learned their lessons by | :53:27. | :53:33. | |
now. Walkers crisps marketing managers have found out the hard | :53:34. | :53:39. | |
way. Earlier in the week they launched this Champions League final | :53:40. | :53:43. | |
campaign. Excited about the Uefa league Champions League final? Snap | :53:44. | :53:50. | |
and share your selfie for a chance to win tickets. Well, it was an open | :53:51. | :53:58. | |
goal. The pranksters online saw the potential. Thank you for joining the | :53:59. | :54:04. | |
Walkers wave and celebrating the Uefa league final. They were | :54:05. | :54:10. | |
submitting photographs of serial killers and criminals, and videos | :54:11. | :54:18. | |
showing Gary Lineker uploading their photographs were uploaded to | :54:19. | :54:21. | |
Twitter. The online feature has now been shut down. This comes a month | :54:22. | :54:27. | |
after Pepsi had to pull an advert featuring Kendall Jenner amid | :54:28. | :54:36. | |
speculation that they were trivialising street protests. She | :54:37. | :54:40. | |
leaves a photo shoot to join a police demonstration and she hands | :54:41. | :54:47. | |
and officer a can of Pepsi to cheers and applause. It was much ridiculed | :54:48. | :54:51. | |
and was posted on you tube but pulled in less than 24 hours. Let's | :54:52. | :54:56. | |
I can now talk to Allyson Stewart-Allen who is a branding | :54:57. | :55:01. | |
expert and chief executive of International Marketing Partners. | :55:02. | :55:03. | |
Do they never learn or do they see this as an opportunity? What happens | :55:04. | :55:11. | |
is the advertising agencies create the ads, they are often tested, the | :55:12. | :55:16. | |
marketing heads say, yes, we will go ahead with this. But the marketing | :55:17. | :55:22. | |
heads are warned there are risks with every campaign so they are not | :55:23. | :55:27. | |
blindly going into an approval process. They are well aware that | :55:28. | :55:32. | |
hijacking like this and the tests of adverts have certain ramifications | :55:33. | :55:37. | |
when they are not well received. Yet decisions are made in any case, | :55:38. | :55:41. | |
let's go ahead because the chances are perceived as low. Who do they | :55:42. | :55:46. | |
test this on? If you look at the Kendall Jenner one, clearly that was | :55:47. | :55:51. | |
going to offend sections of US society. Did they not test it on | :55:52. | :55:55. | |
those sections or did they see it as a calculated risk? It depends on the | :55:56. | :56:01. | |
personalities and the culture of the business and their risk appetite. In | :56:02. | :56:07. | |
the Pepsi case I do not have data that says it was tested with these | :56:08. | :56:11. | |
groups and genders and socio- economic groups, but it should have | :56:12. | :56:15. | |
been if it was not. They should not have gone into it knowing fully all | :56:16. | :56:20. | |
of the risks from all of the target market that Pepsi has, which is | :56:21. | :56:25. | |
pretty much everyone. Some products are very clear in who they are | :56:26. | :56:30. | |
trying to reach. Feminine products is obvious, whereas brands like | :56:31. | :56:35. | |
Pepsi appeal to everyone. It is very difficult. The lesson is to err on | :56:36. | :56:41. | |
the side of conservatism. But that means it could be boring. | :56:42. | :56:45. | |
Potentially, but not really. The goal is engagement, the goal of any | :56:46. | :56:51. | |
brand whether it is online or on TV, off-line, the goal is to try to get | :56:52. | :56:55. | |
the consumer to take a course of action, click on like button, tell | :56:56. | :57:00. | |
your friends, tweet about it, but it take some action, even possibly buy | :57:01. | :57:06. | |
the product. This is the ultimate goal, so engagement comes at a | :57:07. | :57:11. | |
price. Engagement is interesting because people did get engaged with | :57:12. | :57:17. | |
this Walkers advert. They might say, it went viral, we still got | :57:18. | :57:24. | |
advertising out of it. Yes and no. Having murderers and other people | :57:25. | :57:27. | |
that potentially get associated with your brand is not what you are | :57:28. | :57:32. | |
after. You are trying to associate the brand with good things. Yes, | :57:33. | :57:38. | |
they got engagement, but the wrong kind of engagement. You have to | :57:39. | :57:41. | |
think back through and that is the challenge for any marketing head. Am | :57:42. | :57:45. | |
I prepared to go ahead with this knowing there is a risk ahead of me? | :57:46. | :57:51. | |
It was quite naive. It was very naive because you would have known | :57:52. | :57:54. | |
that people for fun will try something out. And look what | :57:55. | :58:00. | |
happened. Thank you so much for coming in. | :58:01. | :58:02. | |
Victoria is back on bank holiday Monday with a general election | :58:03. | :58:16. | |
audience debate live from Dunstable. She will be discussing all the key | :58:17. | :58:21. | |
issues ahead of next month's vote. Do tune in then. Have a lovely day | :58:22. | :58:25. | |
today. Thank you for your company. | :58:26. | :58:34. |