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Hello. It's 9am. | :00:07. | :00:08. | |
I'm Victoria Derbyshire. Welcome to the programme. | :00:09. | :00:11. | |
Well, it's here, the last full day of campaigning | :00:12. | :00:14. | |
Let me know either way and who you think you're | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
We will have all the latest from the main parties as they push | :00:20. | :00:25. | |
Last day of campaigning means our last Election Blind Dates | :00:26. | :00:33. | |
where we've been playing matchmaker to well-known faces who are poles | :00:34. | :00:36. | |
Today it's the turn of former Labour advisor Ayesha Hazarika | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
Things have changed and they have changed dramatically. You know | :00:41. | :00:48. | |
Brexit changes everything. Stop banging on about it for a while and | :00:49. | :00:51. | |
talk about the other issues, the really, really important issues. | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
Also, "you need to do it", the text sent by a woman on trial | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
in America for urging her boyfriend to kill himself. | :01:02. | :01:03. | |
Prosecutors say Michelle Carter drove Conrad Roy to take his own | :01:04. | :01:06. | |
This hour we are talking to a mum who is calling for a vaccine | :01:07. | :01:37. | |
that is exclusively given to girls to be given to boys too. | :01:38. | :01:40. | |
It's to protect against a virus called HPV which can cause | :01:41. | :01:43. | |
different types of cancer and sexually transmitted diseases. | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
Have you got sons and do you want them protected? | :01:48. | :01:55. | |
An official decision has yet to be made as to whether boys should get | :01:56. | :01:59. | |
it. Do get in touch on all the stories | :02:00. | :02:01. | |
we're talking about this morning - use the hashtag Victoria LIVE | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
and If you text, you will be charged Plus have you made up your mind how | :02:05. | :02:07. | |
you are going to vote? Let me know who and why, | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
and if you're still undecided, It's the final day of campaigning | :02:13. | :02:14. | |
in the general election and the party leaders will be | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
on a hectic schedule of visits to key towns | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
and cities across Britain The closing stages of the campaign | :02:23. | :02:24. | |
have been dominated by the issue of security | :02:25. | :02:28. | |
following the London Bridge Our political guru Norman Smith | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
is at Westminster. Who is doing what and where today, | :02:31. | :02:40. | |
Norman? There is just frenetic activity today, so Mrs May started | :02:41. | :02:43. | |
early doors down in Smithfield market. That's the old meat market | :02:44. | :02:48. | |
in Central London, not the place to go if you're a squeamish about | :02:49. | :02:54. | |
coming face-to-face with a cow's carcass first thing in the morning, | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
but Mrs May started there. Jeremy Corbyn is starting out in Glasgow. | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
He's winding his way down through Wales and ends up in his home patch | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
in Islington in Central London and Tim Farron is dotting around to | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
various key target seats for the Lib Dems. Often sort of university towns | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
where he's trying to hoover up some of the Remain support. So that | :03:19. | :03:24. | |
blizzard of last minute activity to claw in as many votes just before | :03:25. | :03:29. | |
election day. Now, news about Diane Abbott. She isn't very well, is she? | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
She isn't, no. I guess a lot of us were sort of raising eyebrows when | :03:36. | :03:39. | |
she pulled out of that woman's hour debate yesterday at the last minute | :03:40. | :03:44. | |
and we all thought aye-aye the Labour leadership told her not to do | :03:45. | :03:47. | |
it because she has been unsteady in some of her public appearances. You | :03:48. | :03:50. | |
remember that time when she had a very difficult time trying to | :03:51. | :03:52. | |
remember the police numbers and how much it was going to cost to | :03:53. | :03:55. | |
implement Labour's policy. This morning, Jeremy Corbyn was asked | :03:56. | :04:00. | |
about Diane Abbott and he said she was still not well and now we've had | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
a statement from Labour saying actually her shadow is going to | :04:06. | :04:08. | |
stand, her number two is going to stand in for her for a few days. | :04:09. | :04:14. | |
That suggests this isn't just passing migraine or a dickie tummy, | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
it suggests Diane Abbott really might be quite ill. It seems she | :04:20. | :04:23. | |
will be out of action for a bit. OK. OK. The question that people like | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
you probably don't like very much, but everybody wants to know! Who is | :04:29. | :04:34. | |
going to win this election, Norman? Oh my god. You might as well ask | :04:35. | :04:43. | |
Mystic Meg! Why ask me. I have got just about every political call | :04:44. | :04:47. | |
wrong in the past five years. I think anything could happen because | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
frankly who knows what people out there are thinking. We seem to live | :04:53. | :04:56. | |
in volatile uncertain times. You think of Brexit. You think of Donald | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
Trump. I would just say fasten your seat belts and hold on and let's | :05:02. | :05:08. | |
see! What a wonderfully,ic and gorgeous answerment more from Norman | :05:09. | :05:09. | |
later. Joanna Gosling is in the BBC | :05:10. | :05:12. | |
Newsroom with a summary That's a good summary of how we're | :05:13. | :05:14. | |
all feeling about it! The Home Office is coming under | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
mounting pressure to explain how one of the London Bridge attackers | :05:20. | :05:22. | |
was able to return to the UK despite The Italian authorities said | :05:23. | :05:25. | |
they had issued warnings about Yousef Zaghba, | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
whom they suspected of supporting the Islamic State group, | :05:30. | :05:30. | |
after he tried to travel to Syria. These are the three men who brought | :05:31. | :05:33. | |
terror to the streets of London The third confirmed | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
as Youssef Zaghba was an Italian national born in Morocco who lived | :05:39. | :05:44. | |
in East London. The 22-year-old wasn't | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
regarded as a security threat by police or MI5, | :05:48. | :05:49. | |
but today questions Zaghba was stopped at | :05:50. | :05:51. | |
Bologna Airport last year Italian police say he was placed | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
on a watch-list with British Border security staff are accused | :05:57. | :06:02. | |
of still allowing him The Home Office has | :06:03. | :06:05. | |
declined to comment. The Australian Government says two | :06:06. | :06:11. | |
of its nationals were among Their names haven't been | :06:12. | :06:13. | |
officially confirmed. Kirsty Boden, a senior | :06:14. | :06:18. | |
nurse at Guy's Hospital, murdered as she ran to help people | :06:19. | :06:21. | |
who had been knocked Described as selfless, | :06:22. | :06:23. | |
caring and heroic. The family of Sara Zelenak, | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
a nanny from Brisbane, She's one of those people that | :06:28. | :06:29. | |
doesn't drink, doesn't do drugs, She's amazing and she's | :06:30. | :06:39. | |
21 years of age. French media have also confirmed | :06:40. | :06:46. | |
the death of Alexandre Pigeard, a Borough market restaurant | :06:47. | :06:48. | |
waiter from Normandy. Sebastien Boulanger's family | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
are travelling to the UK from France to find out what's happened | :06:53. | :06:54. | |
to the chef. Desperate searches and desperate | :06:55. | :06:56. | |
days for so many who found themselves caught up | :06:57. | :06:58. | |
in this tragedy. Our correspondent Sara Smith is at | :06:59. | :07:11. | |
New Scotland Yard. What's the latest? Officers from New | :07:12. | :07:19. | |
Scotland Yard carried out a search warrant in East London, in Ilford | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
overnight. At 1.30am they arrested a 30-year-old man. Now, searches are | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
carrying on at that address as they are at other addresses in East | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
London. This man, this 30-year-old, was arrested on suspicion of | :07:34. | :07:38. | |
commission, preparation, or instigation of terrorist acts and | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
he's being held for questioning at a police station in South London. | :07:43. | :07:46. | |
There are also other arrests yesterday in Barking. So far we know | :07:47. | :07:52. | |
that 12 people have been arrest, who have been arrested have been | :07:53. | :07:55. | |
released without charge. There are two people in custody. There was a | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
man in his 30s arrested in Ireland, in Wexford, just south of Dublin. He | :08:00. | :08:08. | |
is arrested on his connections with one of the killers, Rachid Redouane. | :08:09. | :08:11. | |
There was an arrest made at Heathrow. That's in connection with | :08:12. | :08:17. | |
the Manchester bombings. A 38-year-old man was arrested there. | :08:18. | :08:20. | |
All in all, there are seven people in custody as far as that | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
investigation is concerned. Thank you, Sara. | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
Police investigating the Manchester bombing | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
in which 22 people were killed, have arrested a 38-year-old | :08:33. | :08:36. | |
man at Heathrow Airport in a planned operation. | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
Detectives say they've found evidence that the suicide bomber, | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
Salman Abedi, had stored parts for his device in a white | :08:46. | :08:48. | |
Reports from Iran say a security guard has been killed | :08:49. | :08:54. | |
in a shooting in the country's parliament in Tehran. | :08:55. | :08:56. | |
An armed man is said to have entered the building and opened fire, | :08:57. | :08:59. | |
Across the city, at a this Rhine a suicide bomber reportedly shot | :09:00. | :09:07. | |
several people before detonating explosives. | :09:08. | :09:09. | |
President Trump has spoken to the King of Saudi Arabia | :09:10. | :09:12. | |
to discuss his country's decision to cut ties with Qatar | :09:13. | :09:14. | |
because of its alleged support for extremist groups. | :09:15. | :09:16. | |
Mr Trump had earlier backed the move, saying it could be | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
"the beginning of the end to the horror of terrorism". | :09:20. | :09:21. | |
A White House spokesman said the President had stressed the need | :09:22. | :09:24. | |
There are calls for the HPV vaccine, which is currently | :09:25. | :09:31. | |
only given to girls, to be received by boys too. | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
The human papilloma virus jab is offered to teenage girls | :09:37. | :09:39. | |
in the UK to protect against cervical cancer. | :09:40. | :09:41. | |
Experts say there is increasing evidence on links between HPV | :09:42. | :09:43. | |
After 10am, we'll be talking to a mum, who's had | :09:44. | :09:52. | |
a HPV-related cancer herself, and wants her sons | :09:53. | :09:54. | |
to receive the vaccine as well as her daughter. | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
The American-based taxi firm, Uber, says it has sacked 20 employees | :09:59. | :10:01. | |
after an investigation into complaints of sexual | :10:02. | :10:03. | |
harassment, bullying and other issues. | :10:04. | :10:04. | |
Uber has been under fire over its treatment of women staff | :10:05. | :10:07. | |
since a former employee wrote a scathing blog post | :10:08. | :10:09. | |
Most complaints came from workers at the firm's San Francisco base. | :10:10. | :10:17. | |
A 14-year study of nearly a million people at risk | :10:18. | :10:19. | |
of developing heart disease, found those who were married | :10:20. | :10:21. | |
fared much better than those who were single. | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
Researchers from Aston Medical School found married people | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
with high cholesterol were 16% more likely to be alive at | :10:30. | :10:30. | |
It also found that married people with diabetes had a 14% | :10:31. | :10:38. | |
And married patients with high blood pressure were 10% | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
Researchers believe, although they cannot prove it, | :10:44. | :10:46. | |
that a loving spouse may encourage you to stay fit and well. | :10:47. | :10:51. | |
It could be a whole range of things ranging from having someone, a close | :10:52. | :11:00. | |
relative to be able to offer you support in taking your medications, | :11:01. | :11:05. | |
being your rehab programmes and things and also seeking help from a | :11:06. | :11:11. | |
doctor when you know you need it and in particular men are notoriously | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
bad for doing that and it's having a spouse can help with that. | :11:16. | :11:18. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am. | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
Thank you very much. One viewer in Dundee says I normally vote SNP, but | :11:23. | :11:28. | |
I will be voting Conservative because the SNP want to stay in the | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
European Union. And this text from Adrian, "I'm voting Labour. We have | :11:34. | :11:36. | |
had years of austerity with no improvement." Get in touch with us | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
throughout the morning. Who are you going to vote for and why and if | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
you're undecided tell me what it is that you're weighing up at this late | :11:45. | :11:53. | |
stage. If you're texting, you will be charged at the standard network | :11:54. | :11:56. | |
rate. Let's get some sport | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
with Hugh Woozencroft. The British and Irish Lions | :12:01. | :12:02. | |
are in action on their tour of New Zealand - | :12:03. | :12:04. | |
how's it going? One media outlet in New Zealand | :12:05. | :12:18. | |
describing Warren Gatland's side as reaching levels of mead OK rity. | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
Before the match there was a minute's silence held in memory of | :12:24. | :12:26. | |
the victims of the recent terror attacks in London and Manchester. | :12:27. | :12:35. | |
The Lions faced down a traditional chant. The Blues showed some class. | :12:36. | :12:47. | |
The Blues went ahead early on. The Lions had a try narrowly ruled out | :12:48. | :12:55. | |
before the back row bundled over to square things up. A conversion and | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
further penalty edged the Lions ahead. There are ten minutes before | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
half-time and that one the Lions much improved so far, but still | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
plenty to play for in the coming minutes. | :13:09. | :13:13. | |
The FA seem determined to tackle hooliganism. | :13:14. | :13:19. | |
Tell us about the bans they've handed out to supporters. | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
Two supporters club members made Nazi gestures in the match against | :13:24. | :13:35. | |
germ in March. There was booing of the German National Anthem and | :13:36. | :13:37. | |
singing about the Second World War as well ahead of the match in | :13:38. | :13:40. | |
Dortmund. The FA has taken a strong line now. The two fans who made Nazi | :13:41. | :13:46. | |
references towards German fans have been handed lifetime bans from the | :13:47. | :13:49. | |
England supporters travel club. That's the only way to get England | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
tickets away from homement they are forbidden to attend all of their | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
country's away games. 27 people have seen their membership suspended for | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
varying lengths of time. Six handed written warnings and other cases | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
pending as well and the FA taking a strong stance. They're determined to | :14:09. | :14:13. | |
tackle what they fear is a new generation of hooliganism. | :14:14. | :14:15. | |
Now, you've got some really dramatic pictures to show us | :14:16. | :14:20. | |
What's the latest from Sir Ben Ainslie's challenge? | :14:21. | :14:26. | |
They are into the semifinal of qualifying taking on New Zealand, | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
but look at this for a moment of drama yesterday. New Zealand's | :14:31. | :14:36. | |
catamaran suddenly capsizing forwards on the run-in to the start | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
of one of the races. Some crew were left suspended in the boat's hull | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
above the water. Three were thrown overboard, but all the crew were | :14:45. | :14:47. | |
safe and accounted for. Some cuts and bruises, of course, but they did | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
say it was entirely their fault. BA R captain Sir Ben said he'd never | :14:53. | :14:57. | |
seen anything like it in his 30 years of racing. It does mean they | :14:58. | :15:03. | |
got a helping hand, Ben Ainslie's team. They trail New Zealand 3-1 in | :15:04. | :15:08. | |
the best of nine series. Plenty of work. They should be back on the | :15:09. | :15:13. | |
water in Bermuda later on if the weather conditions are suitable. | :15:14. | :15:17. | |
Time for the sixth and final edition of our Election Blind Dates. | :15:18. | :15:21. | |
Over the last week, we've been playing matchmaker to some | :15:22. | :15:24. | |
well-known faces who are poles apart when it comes to politics. | :15:25. | :15:33. | |
Nigel Farage and Rachel Johnson, Peter Stringfellow and Mary Beard, | :15:34. | :15:35. | |
Gina Miller and Godfrey Bloom - our unlikely couples have ended up | :15:36. | :15:38. | |
having some fascinating conversations and quite often, | :15:39. | :15:40. | |
You've told us that you've really appreciated seeing people | :15:41. | :15:47. | |
who disagree with each other on some fundamental issues, talking about | :15:48. | :15:50. | |
Today, the SNP's Tommy Sheppard - who set up The Stand Comedy club - | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
She was once advisor to Labour's Ed Miliband, | :15:56. | :15:59. | |
But when the conversation turns to the question | :16:00. | :16:02. | |
of Scottish independence, will either of them be laughing? | :16:03. | :16:11. | |
There's an election on and people are talking politics. | :16:12. | :16:19. | |
So what happens when you send two people with opposing | :16:20. | :16:21. | |
I'm like, oh my god, this has been so long. | :16:22. | :16:31. | |
You see people that are sat there and can go and work | :16:32. | :16:37. | |
They choose to go and sign on - it angers me. | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
When people stand at the dispatch box and tell me there's | :16:42. | :16:54. | |
more money in education, I look around and wonder | :16:55. | :16:56. | |
Because it's not in my children's school. | :16:57. | :16:59. | |
I went on a date with a guy and he drank so much. | :17:00. | :17:17. | |
He did then said to me, you couldn't pay for the cab, could you? | :17:18. | :17:26. | |
Gordon Brown, Harriet Harman, Ed Miliband - that went really well. | :17:27. | :17:38. | |
Now I'm a political commentator and a stand-up comedian. | :17:39. | :17:41. | |
When I was growing up in the West of Scotland you had religion, | :17:42. | :17:44. | |
the Labour Party and you had Rangers and Celtic. | :17:45. | :17:46. | |
I think I'm the kind of person on a date I'll have strong initial | :17:47. | :17:52. | |
Do you think sparks are going to fly? | :17:53. | :17:55. | |
I'm the SNP candidate for Edinburgh East. | :17:56. | :17:58. | |
It's been a long time since I've been on a date. | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
I'm really curious as to who it's going to be, you know. | :18:04. | :18:07. | |
Who would you not want to be going on a date with? | :18:08. | :18:10. | |
Is there anyone I wouldn't go on a date with? | :18:11. | :18:18. | |
Do you know, I'm that desperate, probably not. | :18:19. | :18:20. | |
Do you know what, I thought it was going to be Alex Salmond. | :18:21. | :18:35. | |
We're going to agree with each other too much, I think. | :18:36. | :18:43. | |
Are you ready for Prime Minister Corbyn? | :18:44. | :18:51. | |
You know, given that she was 24 points ahead | :18:52. | :19:03. | |
in the polls, he started off the campaign with a photocall | :19:04. | :19:05. | |
in a toilet, it was sort of like, everyone was, I think we know | :19:06. | :19:09. | |
Well, here we are, six days out and it's incredible. | :19:10. | :19:12. | |
She's gone from strong and stable to not willing | :19:13. | :19:21. | |
Also, she's had such a stinker of a campaign. | :19:22. | :19:27. | |
What's interesting, right, she's been a lucky general. | :19:28. | :19:32. | |
She didn't even have a proper leadership contest. | :19:33. | :19:34. | |
She had to go up against Andrea Leadsom. | :19:35. | :19:36. | |
That is like winning Wimbledon against a wheelie bin. | :19:37. | :19:38. | |
The thing is, Woman's Hour is not an easy game. | :19:39. | :19:47. | |
People make the assumption that women's media is like a soft ride. | :19:48. | :19:49. | |
They do it with mumsnet and with Woman's Hour. | :19:50. | :19:52. | |
They sometimes do it with women's magazines. | :19:53. | :19:53. | |
And actually it's just really insulting to think that | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
because you have a female journalist the questions aren't going to be | :19:59. | :20:01. | |
But to be honest, the fact that Theresa May won't even turn up to do | :20:02. | :20:06. | |
I feel she's in a witness protection scheme now. | :20:07. | :20:09. | |
I was on This Week last night with Andrew Neil. | :20:10. | :20:15. | |
So I spent - not hours, days - it was like cramming for an exam. | :20:16. | :20:27. | |
I knew the price of every single spending commitment | :20:28. | :20:29. | |
I could have just gone in there and chatted | :20:30. | :20:45. | |
I've got to eat something which I'm not going to get all over myself. | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
I think we're all cautious of not having a Miliband moment. | :20:50. | :20:52. | |
So, listen, you're in touch with the right wing | :20:53. | :20:58. | |
Don't call it the right wing of the Labour Party! | :20:59. | :21:06. | |
That's not fair, the right wing of the Labour Party. | :21:07. | :21:08. | |
Well, there's a right and left of everything. | :21:09. | :21:10. | |
Well, people who just don't agree with Corbyn. | :21:11. | :21:14. | |
Well, those people, what are they going to do if Corbyn | :21:15. | :21:17. | |
Another five years of just trying to knife him | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
That's going to be boring, apart from anything else. | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
On that, we are a party that exists to win parliamentary seats, | :21:26. | :21:28. | |
that is what the Labour Party exists to do, to get into power, to do | :21:29. | :21:31. | |
So if you tick that box, everything else is forgiven? | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
No, I'm not saying that, hear me out. | :21:37. | :21:38. | |
What I will say is that Corbyn has had a good election campaign. | :21:39. | :21:41. | |
So I think the truth is, even if he loses the election | :21:42. | :21:44. | |
and even if loads of Labour MPs lose their seats, I reckon | :21:45. | :21:46. | |
he will still be around as the leader of the Labour Party. | :21:47. | :21:54. | |
Why do you want another Scottish referendum? | :21:55. | :21:57. | |
Don't you think the people of Scotland have had | :21:58. | :21:59. | |
Things have changed quite dramatically. | :22:00. | :22:05. | |
The United Kingdom that people voted to be part of in 2014 is not | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
If you go to a shop and you buy something, and you get it home... | :22:10. | :22:15. | |
If you go to a shop, you buy something, you take it | :22:16. | :22:21. | |
home and you open it up, and what you find is not | :22:22. | :22:24. | |
what it says on the packet, well, you take it back and you say, | :22:25. | :22:28. | |
And I think a lot of people are finding that the decision | :22:29. | :22:32. | |
they took in 2014 isn't what it said on the packet. | :22:33. | :22:34. | |
There's been a lot of democracy in Scotland. | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
I think the good thing about that is people | :22:40. | :22:41. | |
are really energised about politics in Scotland. | :22:42. | :22:43. | |
But I think the plea from people is, can we just move off the obsession | :22:44. | :22:46. | |
Nicola Sturgeon is like the Beyonce of Scottish politics. | :22:47. | :22:55. | |
She's a woman obsessed with her independence. | :22:56. | :22:57. | |
That's a great soundbite but it's not true. | :22:58. | :23:01. | |
And let's just see some of that focus on the big day job stuff. | :23:02. | :23:06. | |
Every time somebody goes to the chemist and gets | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
a prescription and doesn't pay ?8.60 - that's doing the day job. | :23:11. | :23:13. | |
Every time a kid in a Scottish university doesn't get a bill | :23:14. | :23:16. | |
for ?27,000 for their fees, that's doing the day job. | :23:17. | :23:18. | |
If you look at Nicola's speech, she was very very clear, | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
that now was not the time for a second | :23:23. | :23:24. | |
We need to know the shape of Brexit first. | :23:25. | :23:27. | |
It's like saying "I don't want to have this conversation | :23:28. | :23:37. | |
now, I want to have it in three years' time." | :23:38. | :23:40. | |
Well, wait and have it in a few years' time. | :23:41. | :23:43. | |
We're all frustrated with Theresa May about Brexit. | :23:44. | :23:46. | |
She's treating the public like potatoes, best kept in the dark. | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
We don't know how Brexit is going to pan out. | :23:51. | :23:53. | |
And my goodness, we've had plenty of democracy. | :23:54. | :23:58. | |
And people have the right to change their minds. | :23:59. | :24:00. | |
I thought it was a once in a generation? | :24:01. | :24:03. | |
There's no point asking the question again if no-one | :24:04. | :24:07. | |
has changed their mind or if circumstances haven't changed. | :24:08. | :24:09. | |
Stop banging on about it for a while and talk | :24:10. | :24:16. | |
about the other issues, the really, really important issues. | :24:17. | :24:22. | |
You know, you have been in government for a long | :24:23. | :24:24. | |
There are lots of issues to be dealt with. | :24:25. | :24:28. | |
There is much more that needs to be done but I would ask | :24:29. | :24:33. | |
One, that the actual performance of the health service in Scotland | :24:34. | :24:39. | |
The second thing to note, we do that within a framework | :24:40. | :24:47. | |
of Scottish Parliament operating within the rules and within budgets | :24:48. | :24:55. | |
which are mainly set in number 10 and number 11 Downing Street. | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
My dad was in hospital recently and was lying on a trolley | :25:00. | :25:06. | |
in a corridor for quite a while before he got into bed. | :25:07. | :25:09. | |
So you can see the health service north and south of the border. | :25:10. | :25:12. | |
You can't sit there with a straight face and tell me that it's | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
just as bad in Scotland as it is in England. | :25:17. | :25:19. | |
Just because people are not rioting in the streets, | :25:20. | :25:22. | |
that's not a barometer that everything's going well. | :25:23. | :25:24. | |
We've had stuff out recently, literacy and numeracy | :25:25. | :25:27. | |
We've got children from poor backgrounds not | :25:28. | :25:30. | |
Well, actually, the figures are improving for children | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
from working-class backgrounds getting to university. | :25:35. | :25:36. | |
Even your education minister has said there has been an issue. | :25:37. | :25:40. | |
The point is, in Scotland, you have a Scottish Government | :25:41. | :25:42. | |
that is focused on doing something about those problems. | :25:43. | :25:47. | |
Admits that they are there, understands why they are there. | :25:48. | :25:49. | |
Whereas in England, what's the education policy here? | :25:50. | :25:51. | |
The Tories just want to bring back grammar schools. | :25:52. | :25:53. | |
Which by definition isn't going to help most people. | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
Are you guys worried that you're going to lose some seats | :25:59. | :26:03. | |
I can't believe I'm even saying those words. | :26:04. | :26:06. | |
We used to talk about there being more giant pandas than Tory MPs. | :26:07. | :26:17. | |
Scotland had become a Tory free zone. | :26:18. | :26:23. | |
Truth is, there has always been Scottish Tories | :26:24. | :26:26. | |
We're seeing them be more confident and turning out in greater | :26:27. | :26:33. | |
numbers than they've done for some years. | :26:34. | :26:34. | |
And do you think part of that is down to the fact that | :26:35. | :26:38. | |
Ruth Davidson, she's quite a big figure, isn't she? | :26:39. | :26:40. | |
Do you think that has had a big factor in it? | :26:41. | :26:47. | |
I think she's been very effective at sort of humanising | :26:48. | :26:50. | |
I like to have a laugh and I can joke about stuff | :26:51. | :27:12. | |
Having done stand-up gigs for a long time, PMQs has an element | :27:13. | :27:20. | |
of the late-night show at the Comedy Store when it's | :27:21. | :27:22. | |
And I do have to say, it strikes fear and terror | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
into the heart of every politician that has to do it. | :27:28. | :27:39. | |
And I think there, if you can have a good line | :27:40. | :27:41. | |
or something funny to use, it can be quite powerful. | :27:42. | :27:44. | |
The funniest bits are not the scripted one-liners. | :27:45. | :27:48. | |
The funniest bits are the adlibs or the heckles. | :27:49. | :27:50. | |
Do you remember there was this terrible thing when David Cameron | :27:51. | :27:53. | |
was under loads of pressure, it was around the Murdoch | :27:54. | :27:55. | |
And it turns out he had been horse riding on Rebekah Brooks' horse. | :27:56. | :27:59. | |
And one of our backbenchers just started going, "Neigh!" | :28:00. | :28:02. | |
And it was so juvenile, but I'm afraid everyone absolutely | :28:03. | :28:05. | |
And the Prime Minister just looked ridiculous. | :28:06. | :28:08. | |
And then there was that thing with the animal's head. | :28:09. | :28:14. | |
During the Remain campaign for the referendum, we went | :28:15. | :28:23. | |
on a cross party bus, myself, Harriet Harman, | :28:24. | :28:25. | |
lots of other people including David Cameron. | :28:26. | :28:27. | |
And we went to this farm in the South West | :28:28. | :28:29. | |
And the press team basically said to us beforehand, | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
don't even think about getting a picture of the Prime | :28:35. | :28:36. | |
I'll put in the bulk of it which is ironic. | :28:37. | :28:57. | |
Shall we have a discussion about the Barnett formula now? | :28:58. | :28:59. | |
We'll put in equal measures and look forward | :29:00. | :29:04. | |
to an equal partnership between Scotland and | :29:05. | :29:05. | |
The independence thing does obviously annoy me | :29:06. | :29:22. | |
because the SNP is obsessed with the independence question. | :29:23. | :29:24. | |
They are a sort of single issue party. | :29:25. | :29:29. | |
I feel like we're going round and round and round again. | :29:30. | :29:36. | |
It's like deja vu, it's like Groundhog Day. | :29:37. | :29:37. | |
I expect I haven't changed your mind and you haven't changed my mind. | :29:38. | :29:41. | |
I think Tommy and I could be really good friends but I don't think we've | :29:42. | :29:45. | |
It's just as well politics isn't the only thing in life, isn't it? | :29:46. | :29:51. | |
Allen says these election Blind dates have been lol. That was the | :29:52. | :30:17. | |
last in the election blind date series. Do not worry, you can catch | :30:18. | :30:21. | |
up on all of our couples on our programme page. | :30:22. | :30:27. | |
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And with the news that one of the London attackers | :30:35. | :30:48. | |
was able to enter the UK, despite being on an EU-wide | :30:49. | :30:55. | |
watch list - we ask "how safe are our borders?" | :30:56. | :31:03. | |
Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :31:04. | :31:07. | |
It is the final day of campaigning in the general election. The closing | :31:08. | :31:14. | |
stages of the campaign have been dominated by the issue of security, | :31:15. | :31:18. | |
following the London Bridge attack. Theresa May has said if the | :31:19. | :31:22. | |
Conservatives are re-elected she would scrap any Human Rights laws | :31:23. | :31:26. | |
that prevent her from introducing tougher anti-terror measures. The | :31:27. | :31:29. | |
former Liberal Democrat leader, Nick Clegg, accused her of trying to make | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
up for her lacklustre election campaign. | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
Jeremy Corbyn said the Shadow Home Secretary, Diane Abbott is unwell | :31:39. | :31:41. | |
and is taking a break from the campaign. He said Diane Abbott who | :31:42. | :31:47. | |
withdrew from a debate on Woman's Hour had received totally unfair | :31:48. | :31:48. | |
levels of abuse. The Home Office is coming under | :31:49. | :31:53. | |
mounting pressure to explain how one of the London Bridge attackers | :31:54. | :31:56. | |
was able to return to the UK despite The Italian authorities | :31:57. | :31:59. | |
said they had issued warnings about Yousef Zaghba | :32:00. | :32:03. | |
after they suspected that he was a supporter | :32:04. | :32:04. | |
of the Islamic State group who'd In a further development, | :32:05. | :32:07. | |
detectives have arrested a 30-year-old man on suspicion | :32:08. | :32:12. | |
of terror offences in Police investigating | :32:13. | :32:14. | |
the Manchester bombing in which 22 people were killed have | :32:15. | :32:19. | |
arrested a 38 year-old man at Heathrow Airport | :32:20. | :32:22. | |
in a planned operation. An inquest into the 22 deaths | :32:23. | :32:27. | |
at the Manchester Arena Reports from Iran say seven people | :32:28. | :32:32. | |
have been killed and four have been taken hostage at the country's | :32:33. | :32:36. | |
parliament in Tehran. An armed man is said to have entered | :32:37. | :32:38. | |
the building and opened fire, Across the city, at a shrine housing | :32:39. | :32:41. | |
the tomb of Ayatollah Khomenei founder of the Republic, | :32:42. | :32:46. | |
a suicide bomber reportedly shot several people before | :32:47. | :32:48. | |
detonating explosives. President Trump has spoken | :32:49. | :32:52. | |
to the King of Saudi Arabia to discuss his country's decision | :32:53. | :32:55. | |
to cut ties with Qatar because of its alleged support | :32:56. | :32:57. | |
for extremist groups. Mr Trump had earlier backed | :32:58. | :33:00. | |
the move, saying it could be "the beginning of the end | :33:01. | :33:03. | |
to the horror of terrorism". A White House spokesman said | :33:04. | :33:05. | |
the President had stressed the need That's a summary of the latest BBC | :33:06. | :33:08. | |
News - more at 10am. The British and Irish Lions | :33:09. | :33:15. | |
are trailing in the second match of their Tour | :33:16. | :33:30. | |
to New Zealand. They were leading | :33:31. | :33:35. | |
against the Auckland Blues at half-time thanks | :33:36. | :33:41. | |
to a try from CJ Stander. As part of the Football | :33:42. | :33:44. | |
Association's vow to tackle hooliganism, they've handed out | :33:45. | :33:46. | |
lifetime bans for the first time - two supporters who made Nazi | :33:47. | :33:49. | |
gestures at the friendly against Germany in Dortmund in March | :33:50. | :33:51. | |
will never again be allowed Two wins from two took | :33:52. | :33:54. | |
England's cricketers through to the semi-finals | :33:55. | :33:57. | |
of the Champions Trophy. They beat New Zealand | :33:58. | :33:59. | |
by 87 runs in Cardiff and they'll top their group | :34:00. | :34:02. | |
and knock out Australia, if they beat them at | :34:03. | :34:04. | |
Edgbaston on Saturday. And there was a dramatic race win | :34:05. | :34:07. | |
for Sir Ben Ainslie's team in the America's Cup semi-finals | :34:08. | :34:09. | |
when the New Zealand boat capsized - all the crew members were fine - | :34:10. | :34:12. | |
and they still lead the British team 3-1, with the first | :34:13. | :34:16. | |
to five going through. That's all the sport for now. I will | :34:17. | :34:17. | |
have more at 10am. Thank you very much for letting me | :34:18. | :34:31. | |
know who you're going to vote for. This viewer says, "I'm switching to | :34:32. | :34:35. | |
Labour. The Conservatives have failed me in every way." Sheila | :34:36. | :34:40. | |
says, "I'm voting Conservative." This text from Sam, "I believe that | :34:41. | :34:45. | |
democracy only votes based on our values. Therefore, I'm voting Lib | :34:46. | :34:49. | |
Dems even though they are unlikely to make it into Government. They | :34:50. | :34:53. | |
will never have a chance to lead the country if they don't gain any | :34:54. | :34:59. | |
momentum." Keep those coming in. If you're undecided, what is it that | :35:00. | :35:03. | |
you're weighing up? What will it be that finally makes the decision for | :35:04. | :35:08. | |
you? Let me know. Send me an e-mail. Or you can tweet which is using the | :35:09. | :35:23. | |
hashtag Victoria Live. Khuram Butt's uncle in Pakistan has | :35:24. | :35:25. | |
been talking to our correspondent. I condemn first of all this incident | :35:26. | :35:30. | |
in this brutal action. I am feeling ashamed | :35:31. | :35:37. | |
talking about this. Innocent people are | :35:38. | :35:44. | |
killed in this action. I have very deep sympathies | :35:45. | :35:50. | |
with all the victims, innocent victims, even | :35:51. | :35:52. | |
I would like to say no religion Khuram Butt was born in Pakistan, | :35:53. | :35:55. | |
but moved to London as a child. His uncle said on his last trip | :35:56. | :36:12. | |
in 2013 he noticed he had become more religious, | :36:13. | :36:18. | |
but not extreme. When he came he started off reading | :36:19. | :36:33. | |
prayers and he had a beard also. Before that these symptoms, | :36:34. | :36:38. | |
I did not find in him. He found out about Butt's | :36:39. | :36:41. | |
involvement on the Butt's mother had seen this photo | :36:42. | :36:43. | |
on the news and recognised her son. I received a call from the UK, | :36:44. | :36:58. | |
from my sister's home, and she was weeping and she only | :36:59. | :37:01. | |
said that something I started to listen | :37:02. | :37:04. | |
to the BBC and CNN. Sometimes they show a flash of that | :37:05. | :37:13. | |
person who was stabbing. I also recognised | :37:14. | :37:19. | |
that this is Khuram. Are you angry with Khuram now? | :37:20. | :37:24. | |
Do you feel angry towards him? I can't explain in words. | :37:25. | :37:27. | |
I don't have any words. What message do you have | :37:28. | :37:34. | |
for the families of the victims? They are on my mind, even I don't | :37:35. | :38:09. | |
know their names, but I think they are my relatives, my brothers. I | :38:10. | :38:17. | |
don't know their names, their nationalities and why they were | :38:18. | :38:23. | |
killed. They came to the city to make their shopping, to make their | :38:24. | :38:34. | |
dinners. Who allows anyone to hit them and to die them? That's the | :38:35. | :38:46. | |
uncle of Khuram Butt, one of the London attackers. | :38:47. | :38:55. | |
Meanwhile it's emerged that the third London terrorist, | :38:56. | :38:56. | |
Youseff Zaghba, was on an EU-wide watch list after being stopped | :38:57. | :38:59. | |
It's believed he was travelling to Syria and it's reported he told | :39:00. | :39:04. | |
officials, he "wanted to be a terrorist". | :39:05. | :39:06. | |
Somehow despite being on that database, he was | :39:07. | :39:08. | |
We can talk now to the former head of the UK Borders | :39:09. | :39:16. | |
I'm really interested on behalf of our audience for you to talk through | :39:17. | :39:27. | |
what is supposed to happen when an individual is added to this EU-wide | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
database. First of all, what does that mean? First of all, there isn't | :39:32. | :39:40. | |
an EU-wide database. There are something like 26 different | :39:41. | :39:45. | |
databases in the EU. And the UK does have access to some of those. So I'm | :39:46. | :39:55. | |
waiting to hear precisely what data was shared like everybody else. We | :39:56. | :40:00. | |
do have a national UK database and that is accessible by a range of | :40:01. | :40:04. | |
different agencies who can put data directly on to that and that would | :40:05. | :40:08. | |
enable our officers at the UK border to intervene if they are asked to do | :40:09. | :40:16. | |
so by an agency. So as we speak we know that this person was put on a | :40:17. | :40:20. | |
watch-list by the Italians, but we don't know what they mean by the | :40:21. | :40:24. | |
watch-list and we don't know whether or not that was shared routinely | :40:25. | :40:28. | |
with us or whether it was passed as an individual risk so there is a lot | :40:29. | :40:32. | |
of information to come out. I think it would be wrong to jump to any | :40:33. | :40:35. | |
conclusions. That's fair enough. It was put as I understand it, on | :40:36. | :40:40. | |
something called the Schengen database. What is that? There is a | :40:41. | :40:46. | |
Schengen information system. As you know the Schengen group, we are not | :40:47. | :40:50. | |
part of the Schengen group. That's part of a group of countries that | :40:51. | :40:54. | |
don't have borders between them and they have to have a central | :40:55. | :40:59. | |
information system that enables them to share data. There is however the | :41:00. | :41:05. | |
Schengen INAUDIBLE | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
Which was agreed in the treaty of Amsterdam which does enable the UK | :41:11. | :41:15. | |
and other EU countries have access to some components of the Schengen | :41:16. | :41:18. | |
information system, but I don't know whether in this case that part of | :41:19. | :41:21. | |
the Schengen system was shared with the UK or not. | :41:22. | :41:28. | |
Right, OK. From what you're describing then, unless Youssef | :41:29. | :41:33. | |
Zaghba was on the UK watch-list then he wouldn't necessarily be stopped | :41:34. | :41:37. | |
at an airport when he arrives here, is that correct? Absolutely. He is a | :41:38. | :41:43. | |
European citizen as I understand it. I don't know if he travelled on his | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
European passport or on his identity card, but either way, he benefits | :41:48. | :41:51. | |
from freedom of movement. He would not have been asked any questions | :41:52. | :41:55. | |
and there would have been simply a document check either through our | :41:56. | :42:01. | |
E-gates or by an officer which would be a straightforward watch-list | :42:02. | :42:05. | |
check. So unless somebody somewhere, from another agency or from you | :42:06. | :42:09. | |
know, or from the EU had given us the data and uploaded that on to our | :42:10. | :42:13. | |
watch-list there would have been no grounds for a Border Force officer | :42:14. | :42:18. | |
to stop him and again, of course, when people put data on our | :42:19. | :42:21. | |
watch-lists there are different types of codes and some are called | :42:22. | :42:27. | |
stopping and non stopping codes. That would send a signal to border | :42:28. | :42:30. | |
officers as to whether or not in the opinion of the person putting the | :42:31. | :42:34. | |
data on that there was sufficient risk to stop that person then the | :42:35. | :42:37. | |
Border Force would stop them and refer to whatever agency was the | :42:38. | :42:43. | |
source. From a lay person's point of view, I'm a member of the public, I | :42:44. | :42:47. | |
pay my taxes and I travel and I get on planes to places like Italy and | :42:48. | :42:52. | |
back again, if someone is arrested at an Italian airport, suspected of | :42:53. | :42:56. | |
travelling to Syria and apparently says to officials, "I want to be a | :42:57. | :43:01. | |
terrorist." I might have assumed and wrongly as you've pointed out that, | :43:02. | :43:07. | |
there would be an EU-wide database where this individual's name would | :43:08. | :43:13. | |
be placed so that were he to arrive at any other airport in the EU, of | :43:14. | :43:17. | |
which we are still a member, it would flash on a computer screen. Is | :43:18. | :43:22. | |
that naive of me? Yes. No, that's not an unreasonable assumption for | :43:23. | :43:29. | |
you to make. We had a conference in London Bridge where we had | :43:30. | :43:34. | |
representatives from the European Union talking about it. It doesn't | :43:35. | :43:41. | |
follow that because somebody is detected on outbound and there is a | :43:42. | :43:44. | |
sufficient reason for that person to be circulated across the EU or | :43:45. | :43:47. | |
elsewhere. It is really a problem and it was identified in Paris and | :43:48. | :43:53. | |
Brussels of how the EU deals with this. That's integrated to a single | :43:54. | :43:59. | |
system and how risks are spread across all of the member states and | :44:00. | :44:06. | |
it is not just the EU, we have if not more intelligence from the US, | :44:07. | :44:10. | |
Canada and Australia. Border agencies are always looking to | :44:11. | :44:15. | |
gather intelligence and data and there has been 5,000 EU passport | :44:16. | :44:21. | |
holders that we know have been to Syria and come back again, but they | :44:22. | :44:24. | |
haven't all been arrested and I think this is the problem that we're | :44:25. | :44:30. | |
facing now is how do we track people like this, who are on the radar, but | :44:31. | :44:34. | |
the evidence isn't sufficient to enable us to stop them or arrest | :44:35. | :44:38. | |
them and that's going to all come out in the coming days as the | :44:39. | :44:42. | |
investigation unfolds. Is the current system working? Well, I can | :44:43. | :44:48. | |
only speak from my experience. I was the head of the Border Force in the | :44:49. | :44:54. | |
period around the London 2012 Olympics. I was responsible for the | :44:55. | :45:00. | |
vetting and checking of many, many people coming to this country at a | :45:01. | :45:04. | |
time when we were operating an alert level of severe and that worked well | :45:05. | :45:07. | |
and we were able to mitigate a significant number of threats, but | :45:08. | :45:11. | |
this is a moving feast and I do hope that the public bear with the | :45:12. | :45:14. | |
intelligence services and with the Border Force. We are quite good at | :45:15. | :45:20. | |
this, but there is no such thing I am afraid anywhere in the world such | :45:21. | :45:25. | |
thing as a perfect border and we will need to learn lessons from | :45:26. | :45:30. | |
this. Nor a perfect database. Thank you, Tony Smith. Really interesting, | :45:31. | :45:43. | |
former head of the UK Border Force. And a -- a... | :45:44. | :45:46. | |
We'll hear more about the 20 year-old woman on trial in America | :45:47. | :45:49. | |
for allegedly urging her boyfriend to take his own life via text. | :45:50. | :45:51. | |
So there's just one more day of campaigning | :45:52. | :45:53. | |
For the last few weeks, we've enlisted the help of Twitter | :45:54. | :45:57. | |
watchers at the think tank Demos, to mine millions of tweets and tell | :45:58. | :46:00. | |
Twitter users are a small part of the electorate and this | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
non-scientific analysis is not about how people are going to vote. | :46:05. | :46:07. | |
And what they have been talking about. | :46:08. | :46:11. | |
Today it's all about their patterns of behaviour over the last 6 weeks. | :46:12. | :46:15. | |
Josh Smith, you've been with us for that time. | :46:16. | :46:20. | |
Let's go back six weeks. Good morning, yes. A lifetime ago. It has | :46:21. | :46:30. | |
been a long and short campaign. We have been looking at the discussion | :46:31. | :46:33. | |
on generic hashtags since the campaign was announced. These are | :46:34. | :46:38. | |
the terms that the public were using about the election. The blue line | :46:39. | :46:45. | |
near is the discussion of the Conservatives and Theresa May, the | :46:46. | :46:49. | |
red line is the discussion of Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party and the | :46:50. | :46:52. | |
grey line is absolutely everybody else combined. What we see here, | :46:53. | :46:58. | |
there are two things that stick out. The first thing is doing this kind | :46:59. | :47:03. | |
of analysis, it lets you see what people are actually concerned with. | :47:04. | :47:05. | |
Or at least what they are talking about. So we have seen spikes when | :47:06. | :47:11. | |
the Labour manifesto was launched, and some foreign policy speeches | :47:12. | :47:14. | |
that Jeremy Corbyn has given. After Manchester, when the campaigning | :47:15. | :47:18. | |
relaxed, there was a halt in campaigning and we saw a similar | :47:19. | :47:22. | |
halt on Twitter. At the second thing that is striking about this is this | :47:23. | :47:28. | |
grey line, which might be expected to uptake as the Labour and | :47:29. | :47:32. | |
Conservative lines have over the last week, it has remained pretty | :47:33. | :47:35. | |
constant or even declined as we approach the election. This has been | :47:36. | :47:43. | |
released pricing. You been looking at what 400 supporters of some of | :47:44. | :47:49. | |
the parties have been talking about. Absolutely. So what we have tried to | :47:50. | :47:53. | |
do, let me take you back to the beginning of May, two weeks into the | :47:54. | :47:59. | |
campaign. Everybody has got over their surprise that the election has | :48:00. | :48:02. | |
been called at all. And these are words that Labour were using during | :48:03. | :48:06. | |
that week which are characteristic of that week's discussions. This is | :48:07. | :48:10. | |
what Labour supporters are talking about six weeks ago was. Yes. We | :48:11. | :48:17. | |
have removed the words from conservative supporters. This is one | :48:18. | :48:22. | |
party's view. And you can see there is quite a wide discussion, we're | :48:23. | :48:26. | |
still talking about fox hunting, education, the media and fraud. | :48:27. | :48:29. | |
There is one discussion that dominates and this is where Labour | :48:30. | :48:33. | |
have traditionally felt comfortable, and that is the NHS. Quite a | :48:34. | :48:38. | |
detailed discussion about health, nurses, hospitals etc. Fast forward | :48:39. | :48:46. | |
to this week, and this discussion is still focused on the NHS but the | :48:47. | :48:50. | |
shifting patterns of conversation behind that have changed. So all | :48:51. | :48:55. | |
parties, supporters from the Conservatives, labour and all the | :48:56. | :48:58. | |
other parties, we saw them reacting to the events of the last few weeks, | :48:59. | :49:03. | |
London Bridge and Manchester. Condemning them, expressing horror | :49:04. | :49:06. | |
and anguish. And again, because this is what Labour is talking about, we | :49:07. | :49:13. | |
have removed those that were not about this. The way they have talked | :49:14. | :49:16. | |
about the attack has intended to concentrate on cuts, on decisions | :49:17. | :49:22. | |
that the Conservatives have made that might have contributed to this | :49:23. | :49:29. | |
kind of extremism. And what about the 400 Conservative supporters, | :49:30. | :49:32. | |
what have they been talking about, starting six weeks ago? At the | :49:33. | :49:37. | |
beginning of May we have a plural discussion with people talking about | :49:38. | :49:44. | |
Diane Abbott, there is a feeling of confidence after gains in the | :49:45. | :49:46. | |
mayoral leadership elections, but the main theme tying this discussion | :49:47. | :49:52. | |
together is the thing which the election was meant to be all about, | :49:53. | :49:57. | |
and that is Brexit, the European Union, Brussels. That is what the | :49:58. | :50:00. | |
Conservatives were talking about at the beginning of May. Again, fast | :50:01. | :50:04. | |
forward to this week and we are living in a different world. Two | :50:05. | :50:09. | |
things that are interesting, first the Conservatives are discussing | :50:10. | :50:14. | |
much more this week than before the polling, which shows a narrowing of | :50:15. | :50:17. | |
the leaves which the Conservatives hold over Labour, and they are using | :50:18. | :50:23. | |
words like you guv, observation, polling, discussing that, wondering | :50:24. | :50:26. | |
should they be worried? But the main discussion again has been around | :50:27. | :50:31. | |
London Bridge, it has been around terrorism and extremism, and instead | :50:32. | :50:34. | |
of talking about policies that Britain has taken leading up to this | :50:35. | :50:39. | |
attack, they are talking about the terrorists themselves, the | :50:40. | :50:42. | |
extremists themselves, and the need for us to do something? Thank you | :50:43. | :50:47. | |
for your company over the last six weeks. Let me bring you this news. | :50:48. | :50:54. | |
Norman Smith was reporting earlier from Westminster that Diane Abbott | :50:55. | :50:59. | |
is not very well, and is going to be replaced in her role as Labour's | :51:00. | :51:03. | |
home affairs spokesperson. This news just in. Apparently the period of | :51:04. | :51:08. | |
being replaced is indefinite, according to at Millbank. She is | :51:09. | :51:15. | |
being replaced and that period of time is indefinite. Still to come on | :51:16. | :51:19. | |
the programme, vaccinating boys against HPV. We will tell you | :51:20. | :51:24. | |
exactly what HPV is and we will be hearing from some of those affected | :51:25. | :51:25. | |
by it. A 20 year old woman in the States | :51:26. | :51:34. | |
is being accused of using texts to encourage her boyfriend | :51:35. | :51:37. | |
to kill himself. 20 year old Michelle Carter has gone | :51:38. | :51:40. | |
on trial in Massachusetts, and is accused of voluntary | :51:41. | :51:42. | |
manslaughter. In dozens of messages, | :51:43. | :51:44. | |
Carter is alleged to have repeatedly urged 18 year old Conrad Roy III | :51:45. | :51:49. | |
to kill himself. On the morning of his death, | :51:50. | :51:54. | |
she wrote: "You need to do it, Conrad. | :51:55. | :51:57. | |
You're ready and prepared." NBC Boston reporter John Moroney has | :51:58. | :52:03. | |
been following the case and he joins us on the phone now from outside | :52:04. | :52:12. | |
Tauton Juvenile Court Thank you for talking to us, John. | :52:13. | :52:20. | |
Can you hear me OK? I can, thank you. Tell our British audience what | :52:21. | :52:26. | |
this trial centres around. The centres around this relationship | :52:27. | :52:33. | |
between these two young people. This happened three years ago, when | :52:34. | :52:37. | |
Michelle Carter was 17. Conrad Roy III was 18. They have a relationship | :52:38. | :52:43. | |
that had developed on social media, in what is really the focus of | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
prosecutors and also the defence, these text messages that they shared | :52:48. | :52:52. | |
over a period of time. I want point in time, the prosecution saying | :52:53. | :52:56. | |
yesterday that she sent him dozens and dozens of messages, 40 in | :52:57. | :53:02. | |
particular, asking him continually when he was going to do it, when he | :53:03. | :53:06. | |
was going to take his life, because it was something he had talked about | :53:07. | :53:13. | |
doing for a while, apparently, and in fact in 2012 he attempted to take | :53:14. | :53:17. | |
his own life at that point in time but was unsuccessful. But then they | :53:18. | :53:23. | |
developed a relationship, and Michelle Carter was troubled | :53:24. | :53:27. | |
herself. This is when the text started. And she encouraged him, | :53:28. | :53:33. | |
badgering him almost to take his life. That is what the prosecution | :53:34. | :53:40. | |
is arguing. And what are the prosecution saying was her motive? | :53:41. | :53:47. | |
They are saying that she was a student at Glenville high school and | :53:48. | :53:51. | |
was not necessarily that popular but by becoming the grieving girlfriend, | :53:52. | :53:56. | |
that she would become popular. She did after his death establish and | :53:57. | :54:04. | |
run benefits to raise money and raise awareness about suicide, not | :54:05. | :54:08. | |
mentioning or telling anyone that she had had these conversations and | :54:09. | :54:12. | |
text messages with Conrad, putting his family, after he had died, she | :54:13. | :54:21. | |
told his mother that she was sorry about what had happened, and that | :54:22. | :54:26. | |
she had done everything she could to prevent him from taking his own | :54:27. | :54:32. | |
life. I will read some more of the text messages for our audience. I | :54:33. | :54:36. | |
already mentioned one in the introduction. You need to do it, | :54:37. | :54:42. | |
Conrad. Michelle Carter texted him that on the morning of the 12th of | :54:43. | :54:46. | |
July. The day that he took his own life. You are ready and prepared. | :54:47. | :54:51. | |
All you have to do is turn the generator on and you will be free | :54:52. | :54:55. | |
and happy. She told him and another message, you are finally going to be | :54:56. | :54:58. | |
happy in heaven with no more pain. It is OK to be scared and it is | :54:59. | :55:03. | |
normal. I mean, you are about to die. Then this: I thought you wanted | :55:04. | :55:07. | |
to do this. The time is right and you are ready. Just do it, baby. | :55:08. | :55:10. | |
You have explained it was so she could raise funds and raise | :55:11. | :55:16. | |
awareness, but is the prosecution also saying it is about her getting | :55:17. | :55:17. | |
attention? That's correct. She noticed that she | :55:18. | :55:30. | |
would receive sympathy as a grieving girlfriend and she took it a step | :55:31. | :55:36. | |
further, by going out and soliciting, raising awareness about | :55:37. | :55:39. | |
suicide. But it was all motivated by the fact that, according to the | :55:40. | :55:45. | |
prosecution, she wanted attention. But you read the text messages and | :55:46. | :55:48. | |
they were read in court yesterday, and they have been out to some | :55:49. | :55:56. | |
degree but to give them read in court was shocking. Her defence team | :55:57. | :56:01. | |
yesterday, the day before yesterday, decided that they would not have a | :56:02. | :56:05. | |
jury trial, that they would only go before a judge who will decide | :56:06. | :56:12. | |
whether or not she's guilty. And I think a lot of the speck elation is | :56:13. | :56:16. | |
that because these text messages are so difficult to hear for a jury, | :56:17. | :56:23. | |
that perhaps they did not want to do that, to have a jury consider it. So | :56:24. | :56:27. | |
instead they are going to a bench trial where a judge will make the | :56:28. | :56:33. | |
determination because hopefully the defence feels, he will take the | :56:34. | :56:41. | |
emotion out of it when a verdict is rendered. The audience will | :56:42. | :56:46. | |
understandable manslaughter means, we have a charge of manslaughter | :56:47. | :56:56. | |
when the person did not have any intent. What has Michelle Carter | :56:57. | :57:00. | |
been charged with? She has been charged with involuntary | :57:01. | :57:02. | |
manslaughter, which is just a different use of the language. In | :57:03. | :57:08. | |
terms of involuntary manslaughter, I am not a lawyer myself but it is | :57:09. | :57:18. | |
somewhat similar. Thank you very much, John. John Maroni, outside the | :57:19. | :57:25. | |
court in Massachusetts. And we will obviously bring you the defence when | :57:26. | :57:29. | |
that is a in the court case. Let me reduce the messages from you run the | :57:30. | :57:38. | |
country. 24 hours ahead of the voting in the general election. | :57:39. | :57:42. | |
Marilyn has e-mailed to say, I am voting Lib Dem. In a final, | :57:43. | :57:46. | |
desperate attempt to vent our exit from the EU, which was a decision | :57:47. | :57:51. | |
based on so much misinformation. And this from Angela. I am undecided, I | :57:52. | :57:55. | |
want a party that is going to support our police officers and | :57:56. | :57:59. | |
given the resources they need, and I feel that our laws need changing on | :58:00. | :58:03. | |
terrorism. The police should be able to arrest people on their radar and | :58:04. | :58:08. | |
extremists to make it a safer world. Thank you for those. Particularly if | :58:09. | :58:10. | |
you are undecided, we're very interested to hear what it is that | :58:11. | :58:16. | |
you are weighing up, 24 hours before the polls open. You can message us | :58:17. | :58:23. | |
on Twitter, or on Facebook. The latest news and sport is on the way | :58:24. | :58:27. | |
at ten o'clock but before that, the weather, with Matt Taylor. And it is | :58:28. | :58:29. | |
called. It certainly has been. And a bit | :58:30. | :58:38. | |
stormy. The wind is particularly strong, unseasonably so for June. | :58:39. | :58:42. | |
The best of the gusts on the Aberdeenshire coast. With the trees | :58:43. | :58:46. | |
in full leaf, and has led to seems like this one, captured in Somerset. | :58:47. | :58:51. | |
It was not just about the cold and the wind yesterday. It was also | :58:52. | :58:56. | |
about the rain. Edinburgh, for instance, had well over a month's | :58:57. | :59:00. | |
worth following just a day and a half. 83 millimetres in total. It | :59:01. | :59:05. | |
has stopped raining here now at least but as our weather watchers | :59:06. | :59:08. | |
have shown us, it is still raining across parts of eastern Scotland. | :59:09. | :59:11. | |
This was Aberdeenshire a short while ago. But it is now in the minority | :59:12. | :59:17. | |
because more blue skies are overhead. A better start of the day | :59:18. | :59:21. | |
for the vast majority, probably the best day of the week for many. If | :59:22. | :59:25. | |
you look across the satellite picture, we can see clear skies. | :59:26. | :59:30. | |
Cloud in eastern Scotland producing heavy rain and gusty wind still | :59:31. | :59:35. | |
around. But the wind will ease, and the rain is pushing away. At the | :59:36. | :59:42. | |
same time, it is clouding over. Towards the end of the afternoon we | :59:43. | :59:45. | |
will see better conditions across eastern Scotland. It could be still | :59:46. | :59:51. | |
cloudy, damp and windy across Orkney, Shetland and Caithness. | :59:52. | :59:54. | |
Elsewhere, dry with sunny spells. The morning sunshine will give way | :59:55. | :59:58. | |
to more cloud in Northern Ireland, staying dry until late in the day. | :59:59. | :00:02. | |
Across much of England and Wales, it will be a sunny afternoon. The | :00:03. | :00:07. | |
sunshine turning hazy, but temperatures up on yesterday's | :00:08. | :00:13. | |
values. South West Wales, Devon and Cornwall, finishing the afternoon | :00:14. | :00:19. | |
with outbreaks of rain. Through tonight, the rain spreading | :00:20. | :00:21. | |
erratically. Heaviest and most persistent on the hills. A bit of | :00:22. | :00:24. | |
rain for Northern Ireland and southern Scotland but it will be dry | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
for much of Scotland and Northern Ireland. With clear skies, a chilly | :00:30. | :00:34. | |
night. Elsewhere, it should be a mild start. | :00:35. | :00:45. | |
Sorry about that Matt. A lot more rain and then it will be sunny. | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
Thank you very much. It's 10am. | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
I'm Victoria Derbyshire. Less than 24 hours until you get to | :00:53. | :01:00. | |
vote in Tom's UK general election. We will bring you reports from | :01:01. | :01:06. | |
around the country and the latest in our Vic's van share. | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
John Ashworth doesn't rule out throwing his hat into the leadership | :01:12. | :01:17. | |
hat. Can't tell me how much a prescription costs. I was lucky | :01:18. | :01:20. | |
enough to go to university before we had fees. I don't know what I would | :01:21. | :01:25. | |
have done if I had come out with all those debts which young people kout | :01:26. | :01:27. | |
of university with today. We'll | :01:28. | :01:32. | |
hear more from Jon later. The HPG jab is given to teenage | :01:33. | :01:44. | |
girls, but not boys, we will be asking why they don't get the same | :01:45. | :01:45. | |
treatment? The battle for Raqqa - | :01:46. | :01:51. | |
the so-called Headquarters of Islamic State - | :01:52. | :01:56. | |
forces make a final push. Joanna Gosling is in the BBC | :01:57. | :02:07. | |
Newsroom with a summary The final day of campaigning | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
in the general election will see the party leaders on a hectic | :02:13. | :02:16. | |
schedule of visits to key towns and cities across Britain | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
in a last push for votes. Theresa May made an early morning | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
visit to Smithfield meat market in central London with her husband | :02:23. | :02:24. | |
Philip in the first The Labour Leader, Jeremy Corbyn, | :02:25. | :02:27. | |
started his day addressing supporters in Glasgow and has | :02:28. | :02:30. | |
a further six events The Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, | :02:31. | :02:32. | |
has said the Shadow Home Secretary, Diane Abbott, is unwell | :02:33. | :02:38. | |
and is taking a break He said Ms Abbott, who withdrew | :02:39. | :02:40. | |
from a debate on Women's Hour yesterday, had received "totally | :02:41. | :02:47. | |
unfair" levels of abuse. Lyn Brown will stand | :02:48. | :02:49. | |
in for Diane Abbott as shadow home secretary for what Labour says | :02:50. | :02:51. | |
is an "indefinite" period of time. The Home Office is coming under | :02:52. | :02:57. | |
mounting pressure to explain how one of the London Bridge attackers | :02:58. | :03:00. | |
was able to return to the UK despite The Italian authorities | :03:01. | :03:03. | |
said they had issued warnings about Yousef Zaghba | :03:04. | :03:09. | |
after they suspected that he was a supporter | :03:10. | :03:12. | |
of the Islamic State group who had In a further development, | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
detectives have arrested a 30-year-old man on suspicion | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
of terror offences in Police investigating | :03:20. | :03:21. | |
the Manchester bombing in which 22 people were killed, | :03:22. | :03:25. | |
have arrested a 38-year-old man at Heathrow Airport | :03:26. | :03:27. | |
in a planned operation. He's the 19th person to be arrested. | :03:28. | :03:32. | |
Seven are still in custody. An inquest into the 22 deaths | :03:33. | :03:35. | |
at the Manchester Arena Reports from Iran say seven | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
people have been killed. The state media says one of the | :03:39. | :03:52. | |
attackers blew himself up. Across the city, at a shrine housing | :03:53. | :04:05. | |
the tomb of Ayatollah Khomeini, founder of the Republic, | :04:06. | :04:07. | |
a suicide bomber reportedly shot several people before | :04:08. | :04:10. | |
detonating explosives. President Trump has spoken | :04:11. | :04:11. | |
to the King of Saudi Arabia to discuss his country's decision | :04:12. | :04:13. | |
to cut ties with Qatar because of its alleged support | :04:14. | :04:16. | |
for extremist groups. Mr Trump had earlier backed | :04:17. | :04:18. | |
the move, saying it could be "the beginning of the end | :04:19. | :04:20. | |
to the horror of terrorism". A White House spokesman said | :04:21. | :04:23. | |
the President had stressed the need There are calls for the HPV vaccine, | :04:24. | :04:25. | |
which is currently only given to girls, to be received | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
by boys too. The human papilloma virus jab | :04:30. | :04:31. | |
is offered to teenage girls in the UK to protect | :04:32. | :04:34. | |
against cervical cancer. But experts say there is increasing | :04:35. | :04:36. | |
evidence on links between HPV After 10am, we'll be talking | :04:37. | :04:38. | |
to a mum, who has had a HPV-related cancer | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
herself, and wants her sons to receive the vaccine | :04:43. | :04:44. | |
as well as her daughter. The American-based taxi firm, Uber, | :04:45. | :04:51. | |
says it's sacked 20 employees after an investigation | :04:52. | :04:58. | |
into complaints of sexual harassment, bullying | :04:59. | :04:59. | |
and other issues. Uber has been under fire | :05:00. | :05:01. | |
over its treatment of women staff since a former employee wrote | :05:02. | :05:03. | |
a scathing blog post Most complaints came from workers | :05:04. | :05:05. | |
at the firm's San Francisco base. That's a summary of the latest BBC | :05:06. | :05:12. | |
News - more at 10.30am. Well, the difficulty of the Lions | :05:13. | :05:20. | |
tour to New Zealand is becoming Of course, we knew the Test Series | :05:21. | :05:27. | |
against the double world champions would be tough, | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
but after a narrow win in their first match, | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
they're currently in a real battle. Super Rugby side Auckland Blues had | :05:37. | :05:39. | |
eight All Blacks in the starting The Lions responded well - | :05:40. | :05:46. | |
Ireland back row CJ Stander bundled The Lions looked like they'd be up | :05:47. | :05:55. | |
at half-time but Sonny Bill Williams fortunate try has | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
put the Blues ahead. They lead 15-10 with around 20 | :06:01. | :06:01. | |
minutes to play at Eden Park. England cricket captain Eoin Morgan | :06:02. | :06:04. | |
says they must "beat the best" in Australia on Saturday | :06:05. | :06:07. | |
if they're to be considered contenders to win | :06:08. | :06:09. | |
the Champions Trophy. They reached the semi-finals thanks | :06:10. | :06:11. | |
to a 87-run victory over Half-centuries from Alex Hales, | :06:12. | :06:13. | |
Joe Root and Joss Buttler guided England past the 300 mark | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
before Liam Plunkett took four wickets to finish | :06:18. | :06:20. | |
off the Kiwis' chase. If we're truly going to be | :06:21. | :06:33. | |
contenders for this tournament we need to beat the best teams and | :06:34. | :06:35. | |
Australia are one of the best teams. They always are going into a white | :06:36. | :06:43. | |
ball tournament. They seem to produced limited overs at will so to | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
go into a game like that with no other attitude than winning is very | :06:49. | :06:50. | |
important to us. The Football Association | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
has handed out lifetime bans for the first time, | :06:54. | :06:55. | |
after two supporters made Nazi gestures at England's | :06:56. | :06:57. | |
friendly against Germany The FA has vowed to tackle | :06:58. | :06:58. | |
what it fears is a new In all, 27 fans have | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
had their membership suspended. The supporters' club is the only way | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
to obtain tickets to away matches. Great Britain won their first race | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
in the America's Cup semi-finals in the most | :07:13. | :07:15. | |
dramatic of circumstances. After going 3-0 down | :07:16. | :07:18. | |
to New Zealand, Sir Ben Ainslie's team finally registered | :07:19. | :07:21. | |
when their opponents capsized Luckily all of their | :07:22. | :07:27. | |
crew members were OK. Our first thought was for the safety | :07:28. | :07:36. | |
of the sailors on the boat and yeah, looking at the footage since, you | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
know, it's clear they had a misjudgement on the daggerboard and | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
lifted it out of the water too much and ran into an aggressive pitch. I | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
don't think anyone is passing criticism because the boats are so | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
tough to sail and it could happen to anyone. The most important thing is | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
the crew is safe and they will come back and the fight continues. | :07:59. | :08:03. | |
The Renault Formula One team have revealed that Robert Kubica has | :08:04. | :08:05. | |
tested an F1 car for the first time since a rallying accident in 2011 | :08:06. | :08:08. | |
Renault posted pictures on Twitter of Kubica | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
at a session in Spain, saying, "So guys, we need to come | :08:14. | :08:16. | |
clean about something. It's true. | :08:17. | :08:17. | |
It really is Robert Kubica, back in one of our cars after six years." | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
They didn't reveal how quick he was, but it is an encouraging | :08:23. | :08:25. | |
sign for one of the most popular drivers around. | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
That's all the sport for now. We will be back with an update on the | :08:30. | :08:35. | |
Lions at 10.30am. Over the course of the election I've | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
been giving politicians from some of the main parties lifts | :08:40. | :08:42. | |
between their campaign meetings. It has been quite a responsibility, | :08:43. | :08:44. | |
honestly! The fourth and final passenger | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
in our Vic's Van Share series is the man who hopes to run the NHS | :08:49. | :08:51. | |
in England and Wales Speaking last week, before | :08:52. | :08:54. | |
the London Bridge attack, Labour's Jon Ashworth told me | :08:55. | :08:57. | |
about the stand-up row he had with Jeremy Corbyn, | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
losing his dad to alcoholism and confirmed Labour | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
would lift the freeze on some benefits despite this not | :09:06. | :09:07. | |
being in their manifesto. He also failed to rule out | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
throwing his hat in the ring to lead his party one day, | :09:13. | :09:15. | |
but will his singing help I just want to sing songs | :09:16. | :09:18. | |
and pretend to be Peter Kay. That's the only reason | :09:19. | :09:54. | |
I've agreed to do it. Don't do the boring | :09:55. | :09:57. | |
policy questions. So, the IFS, the Institute | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
for Fiscal Studies, independent, respected, as you know, | :10:02. | :10:07. | |
have said that if you, if Labour win the election then | :10:08. | :10:10. | |
the poorest 30% of households will suffer a significant hit | :10:11. | :10:16. | |
in their income because you are not promising to reverse some | :10:17. | :10:19. | |
of the cuts to benefits If you're going to be building more | :10:20. | :10:21. | |
houses which is what we want to do, if you're going to be investing | :10:22. | :10:30. | |
in wages, giving people a pay increase by increasing the minimum | :10:31. | :10:33. | |
wage to ?10 an hour, obviously that will lift some people | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
out of benefits, but it will mean more money coming | :10:37. | :10:39. | |
into the Exchequer. But are you going to reverse | :10:40. | :10:41. | |
the cuts to child tax credits? Well, we've opposed the cuts | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
to child tax credits. Are you going to reverse them | :10:47. | :10:48. | |
if you win the election? We cannot say we're going to reverse | :10:49. | :10:51. | |
every single cut that's taken So you're not going to reverse | :10:52. | :10:54. | |
the cuts to child tax credits? Are you going to lift the freeze | :10:55. | :10:57. | |
on working age benefits? Look, benefits won't need to be | :10:58. | :11:00. | |
frozen under a Labour government because we're going to put | :11:01. | :11:08. | |
the money into... We're going to lift the freeze | :11:09. | :11:10. | |
on some of the benefits, yes. That's why we've allocated | :11:11. | :11:15. | |
this extra ?2 billion. You might well borrow | :11:16. | :11:16. | |
?250 billion over ten years to invest in infrastructure, | :11:17. | :11:19. | |
in roads and new hospitals and in infrastructure, | :11:20. | :11:21. | |
in big building projects. How much will the economy grow | :11:22. | :11:22. | |
if you spend, if you borrowed ?250 billion and spent | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
it on infrastructure? Well, the IFS, funnily enough, | :11:28. | :11:34. | |
have said we would grow the economy by a percentage higher | :11:35. | :11:37. | |
than what the Conservatives Although I don't have that | :11:38. | :11:39. | |
particular figure in front of me. But they certainly were saying | :11:40. | :11:45. | |
we would grow the economy more. When borrowing rates are so low, | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
I think you can invest in the infrastructure | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
of the country, you can invest in schools and hospitals | :11:55. | :11:56. | |
and road-building and extending Our levels of investment | :11:57. | :11:58. | |
in infrastructure are terrible. When compared Europe | :11:59. | :12:08. | |
and other countries. People are worried about adding | :12:09. | :12:10. | |
to the debt pile, though. The nation's debt pile. | :12:11. | :12:12. | |
?250 billion would add to it. If you can do it, in a way | :12:13. | :12:15. | |
by which by the end of the period you've got debts as a proportion | :12:16. | :12:18. | |
of GDP coming down, it seems to me sensible to be investing | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
in the infrastructure. Do you know how many council homes | :12:23. | :12:23. | |
the last Labour government built? I've not got that figure | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
on me at the moment. It's about 7,800 under | :12:28. | :12:30. | |
the last Labour government. Margaret Thatcher's government built | :12:31. | :12:42. | |
around 17,000 in one year. Are you shocked that her government | :12:43. | :12:45. | |
built more council homes in one year than under the entire period | :12:46. | :12:48. | |
of office that New Labour was in? No, I'm not shocked, | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
because when we came into government in 97, | :12:54. | :13:00. | |
the housing stock in this country was in such a state | :13:01. | :13:02. | |
that the priority for the first period of the government | :13:03. | :13:04. | |
was to invest in upgrading Me and my wife have a mortgage | :13:05. | :13:07. | |
on our house in Leicester. Yes, but we're paying | :13:08. | :13:14. | |
a mortgage on it. Why are you planning | :13:15. | :13:23. | |
to spend ?56 billion on the university tuition | :13:24. | :13:32. | |
fees of students and ?37 billion We just don't think it's fair that | :13:33. | :13:35. | |
students are racking up Even the sons and daughters of chief | :13:36. | :13:38. | |
executives, bankers, property millionaires, | :13:39. | :13:42. | |
you want to pay their university tuition fees, | :13:43. | :13:43. | |
when they can afford it? A highly educated population | :13:44. | :13:45. | |
contributes to the good I was lucky enough to go | :13:46. | :13:47. | |
to university before we had fees. I just don't know what I would have | :13:48. | :13:56. | |
done if I'd come out with all those debts | :13:57. | :13:59. | |
which young people come out You've said you will give NHS staff | :14:00. | :14:01. | |
a pay rise, how much, A percentage rise is | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
about half a billion, 2% rise is about ?1 billion, | :14:06. | :14:13. | |
so we think it's affordable. Is that cost part of your ?37 | :14:14. | :14:15. | |
billion going into the NHS? That is part of the money | :14:16. | :14:20. | |
going into the NHS, yes, but we think it's deliverable, | :14:21. | :14:23. | |
based on the calculations OK, two years ago you failed to vote | :14:24. | :14:25. | |
against the Government's Welfare Bill, and that was the bill that cut | :14:26. | :14:35. | |
the benefit cap from 26,000 to 23,000, that abolished | :14:36. | :14:39. | |
legally-binding child-poverty targets, that cut housing | :14:40. | :14:41. | |
benefit to the young. That was the position | :14:42. | :14:48. | |
of the Labour Party. You cannot have a principled | :14:49. | :14:52. | |
opposition if you are I followed the position of the front | :14:53. | :14:58. | |
bench because I'm a loyal I'm a Labour MP who gets | :14:59. | :15:03. | |
on and supports the Labour Party. The position of the Labour Party | :15:04. | :15:07. | |
front bench was to support an amendment which said, | :15:08. | :15:10. | |
"We reject this bill." Well, I suspect the position | :15:11. | :15:12. | |
would be different this time, so we would not vote the same | :15:13. | :15:19. | |
way this time. How do you think the campaign | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
is going for Labour at this point? I think the Conservatives thought | :15:24. | :15:29. | |
they could take people for granted, that they could glide through this | :15:30. | :15:31. | |
election with trite slogans, and there is a feeling | :15:32. | :15:34. | |
they have been trying to take When you are driving | :15:35. | :15:36. | |
around, campaigning, in your car with your team, | :15:37. | :15:41. | |
what do you sing? It's really funny - | :15:42. | :15:52. | |
I go out campaigning, like the North-East or wherever, | :15:53. | :15:54. | |
and you often get picked up by a Labour Party volunteer | :15:55. | :16:00. | |
and they want to talk about policy, but I like to plug in my iPhone | :16:01. | :16:03. | |
and sing along to cheesy music and think I am Peter | :16:04. | :16:06. | |
Kaye in Car Share. # Whatever it takes | :16:07. | :16:08. | |
is what I'm going to do. # And we can build | :16:09. | :16:28. | |
this thing together. # When this world runs out of | :16:29. | :16:51. | |
lovers # Nothing's gonna stop us, | :16:52. | :17:08. | |
nothing's gonna stop us now. Nothing's gonna stop you, | :17:09. | :17:12. | |
except potentially Theresa May? I think I have just ended my career | :17:13. | :17:21. | |
by singing that in such a daft way, but anyway, you've got to have a bit | :17:22. | :17:26. | |
of fun in an election campaign. Does that represent | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
how you are feeling, "Nothing's gonna stop us, | :17:31. | :17:31. | |
not even the Conservatives I don't know, it's | :17:32. | :17:33. | |
just a bit of fun. We've got to stop | :17:34. | :17:37. | |
Theresa May, I think Jeremy Corbyn would be | :17:38. | :17:39. | |
a better Prime Minister? Hang on a minute, | :17:40. | :17:42. | |
I have just asked you. Jeremy Corbyn is | :17:43. | :17:48. | |
principled and honest. Would Jeremy Corbyn be | :17:49. | :17:50. | |
a better Prime Minister? You have spent your whole | :17:51. | :17:54. | |
adult life in politics, you started off as a researcher - | :17:55. | :18:10. | |
what were you next? Then a deputy political secretary, | :18:11. | :18:12. | |
then a political secretary, then head of campaigns, | :18:13. | :18:19. | |
then a candidate, then an MP. You've never had a proper | :18:20. | :18:21. | |
job in the real world? People who work in | :18:22. | :18:29. | |
politics, they are jobs. We still have to pay the mortgage, | :18:30. | :18:36. | |
I still have to get the kids from school and get them | :18:37. | :18:39. | |
breakfast in the morning. I'm from a very normal | :18:40. | :18:41. | |
working-class background, my mum was a barmaid, | :18:42. | :18:43. | |
my dad was a croupier in a casino. A lot of my life I spent | :18:44. | :18:46. | |
looking after a father, Weekends, as a teenager I would go | :18:47. | :18:49. | |
back to stay with my dad, I would open the fridge | :18:50. | :19:01. | |
and it was just big bottles of white wine | :19:02. | :19:03. | |
and cans of beer, no food. I would have to go | :19:04. | :19:06. | |
and sort it out myself. I went home one Christmas | :19:07. | :19:13. | |
and my dad said, "I'm off, He literally just went off | :19:14. | :19:15. | |
to Thailand, I didn't see him again. I got the call two years later, | :19:16. | :19:24. | |
saying that he was dead. And it was drink, he had been | :19:25. | :19:27. | |
drinking a bottle of whiskey a day. So you're right, I have been | :19:28. | :19:34. | |
a special adviser and researcher and all the rest of it, | :19:35. | :19:37. | |
but I have had some Do you want to have a crack | :19:38. | :19:39. | |
at the leadership one day? We've got a leader | :19:40. | :19:53. | |
of the Labour Party. Do you want to have a | :19:54. | :19:55. | |
crack at it one day? There are loads of Labour MPs who | :19:56. | :19:59. | |
would fancy their chances one day. It is my dream job, every day I feel | :20:00. | :20:20. | |
honoured that I got it, and I am hoping the people | :20:21. | :20:28. | |
in my constituency re-elect me, but all of the other jobs | :20:29. | :20:32. | |
in politics, I'll have to see You are in politics to make | :20:33. | :20:35. | |
a difference, to change You will think, "What a cliche," but | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
actually that is what motivates me. If that means I'm a Health | :20:40. | :20:45. | |
Secretary, Shadow Health Secretary, or a different role, | :20:46. | :20:48. | |
we'll see where it goes. Yeah, I know politicians are now | :20:49. | :20:52. | |
meant to say yes, make it look like they had an interesting | :20:53. | :21:03. | |
life, but I didn't. Sorry, I know I will get | :21:04. | :21:06. | |
the Corbynistas tweeting me, having a right go at me, | :21:07. | :21:11. | |
but Gordon gave me a job. He gave me a job when I was a young | :21:12. | :21:14. | |
man, he gave me an opportunity, I'll always have | :21:15. | :21:22. | |
a loyalty to Gordon. Finish the line of this song, | :21:23. | :21:26. | |
"I'm in love with the shape of you." It is going to be | :21:27. | :21:30. | |
really obvious now? The biggest-selling track of this | :21:31. | :21:34. | |
year, 18 weeks at number one. "I'm in love with the shape of you, | :21:35. | :21:37. | |
push and pull like a magnet do." "Although my heart is falling too, | :21:38. | :21:50. | |
I'm in love with the shape of you." "I was working as a waitress | :21:51. | :21:59. | |
in a cocktail bar." # I was working as a waitress | :22:00. | :22:08. | |
in a cocktail bar when I met you. Oh, no, it's one of those questions | :22:09. | :22:11. | |
where you catch us out. Everybody is saying, | :22:12. | :22:31. | |
Shadow Health Secretary, They are all going to be | :22:32. | :22:32. | |
tweeting about it now. How many times have Leicester City | :22:33. | :22:37. | |
been finalists in the FA Cup? Name me a band that | :22:38. | :22:40. | |
you love from the 1980s. I love singing along | :22:41. | :22:50. | |
to cheesy songs from the 80s, like Together In Electric Dreams, | :22:51. | :22:53. | |
or a bit of Madonna. Do you know the words | :22:54. | :22:56. | |
to Like A Virgin? Last time you had an argument | :22:57. | :23:03. | |
with Jeremy Corbyn? Probably when he took me off | :23:04. | :23:11. | |
the National Executive Committee. Was it just you and him | :23:12. | :23:13. | |
shouting at each other? We had words, let's | :23:14. | :23:23. | |
put it like that. To be blunt, on some | :23:24. | :23:27. | |
of the votes I voted the way I'm sure victor Dharmesh said that | :23:28. | :24:15. | |
John Ashworth could sing. She lied! -- Victoria Derbyshire said. | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
So today is the final day of political campaigning | :24:20. | :24:26. | |
before you cast your votes in the General Election tomorrow. | :24:27. | :24:28. | |
Here's a look back at the past 7 weeks of campaigning. | :24:29. | :24:56. | |
I have just chaired a meeting of the cabinet where we agreed | :24:57. | :24:59. | |
that the Government should call a general election. | :25:00. | :25:01. | |
Oh, for God's sake, honestly, I can't stand this. | :25:02. | :25:04. | |
There's too much politics going on at the moment. | :25:05. | :25:06. | |
Since I became Prime Minister I have said there should be no | :25:07. | :25:17. | |
But now I have concluded that the only way to guarantee | :25:18. | :25:20. | |
certainty and stability for the years ahead is to hold this | :25:21. | :25:23. | |
election and seek your support for the decisions I must take. | :25:24. | :25:28. | |
I welcome the opportunity for us to put the case to the people | :25:29. | :25:31. | |
of Britain to stand up against the Government | :25:32. | :25:33. | |
and its failed economic agenda, which has left our NHS in problems, | :25:34. | :25:36. | |
our schools underfunded, so many people uncertain. | :25:37. | :25:42. | |
It is very clear that the Prime Minister's announcement is one | :25:43. | :25:45. | |
all about the narrow interests of her own party, not the interests | :25:46. | :25:48. | |
We want to put a case out there to the people of Britain | :25:49. | :25:54. | |
of a society that cares for all, an economy that works for all, | :25:55. | :25:57. | |
It is an opportunity for the people of this country to change | :25:58. | :26:05. | |
the direction of this country, to decide that they do not want | :26:06. | :26:08. | |
a hard Brexit, or to keep Britain in the single market, | :26:09. | :26:11. | |
and indeed an opportunity for us to have a decent, | :26:12. | :26:13. | |
strong opposition in this country that we desperately need. | :26:14. | :26:36. | |
With the right Brexit deal secured, my mainstream Government | :26:37. | :26:38. | |
Whatever your age or situation, people are under pressure | :26:39. | :26:41. | |
Now more than ever, Scotland needs strong SNP voices at Westminster. | :26:42. | :26:51. | |
Plaid Cymru exists to defend and build up our country. | :26:52. | :26:57. | |
We have shown time and again you do not need the keys | :26:58. | :27:00. | |
to Number Ten to open the door to change. | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
I believe in our great country, I believe in British values, | :27:06. | :27:10. | |
The Government I lead will build a Britain | :27:11. | :27:13. | |
Labour is guaranteeing the triple lock to protect pensioners' incomes. | :27:14. | :27:19. | |
Can you tell the British people tonight that you support | :27:20. | :27:22. | |
We're going ahead with the programme that has been | :27:23. | :27:28. | |
Listen, my views on nuclear weapons are well known. | :27:29. | :27:39. | |
Does North Korea receive money from the UK aid budget? | :27:40. | :27:42. | |
We have got to tackle and address and challenge extremism | :27:43. | :27:50. | |
I believe very strongly that we have to do that | :27:51. | :27:54. | |
We mustn't scapegoat the Muslim community. | :27:55. | :28:01. | |
You tried to take Personal Independence Payments away | :28:02. | :28:03. | |
from people with disabilities and then you turned yourselves | :28:04. | :28:05. | |
There is no extra payment you don't want to add to, | :28:06. | :28:14. | |
no tax you don't want to rise, but we have to concentrate our | :28:15. | :28:17. | |
resources on the people who need it most. | :28:18. | :28:19. | |
We want to see corporation tax reduced, not raised, | :28:20. | :28:21. | |
because if you raise it, companies will leave this country. | :28:22. | :28:24. | |
If Jeremy cared about having enough money to spend on those | :28:25. | :28:33. | |
who need it the most, to raise living standards, | :28:34. | :28:37. | |
he would not have trooped through the lobbies | :28:38. | :28:43. | |
with the Conservatives and Ukip to trigger Article 50 | :28:44. | :28:45. | |
Our schools are underfunded, our hospitals are overcrowded, | :28:46. | :28:53. | |
our students are saddled with debt, there is a growing housing crisis. | :28:54. | :28:56. | |
People on the lowest incomes have been hit by welfare cuts. | :28:57. | :28:59. | |
We will always provide that safety net where it is needed. | :29:00. | :29:01. | |
I will give you the figure in a moment. | :29:02. | :29:05. | |
You've announced a major policy and you don't know | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
Can I give you the exact figure in a moment? | :29:11. | :29:14. | |
Why should the public trust anything you say or any of your policies | :29:15. | :29:40. | |
when you have a track record of broken promises and backtracking? | :29:41. | :29:49. | |
Why have you never regarded the IRA as terrorists? | :29:50. | :29:55. | |
My wage slips from 2009 reflect exactly what I am earning today. | :29:56. | :29:58. | |
How can that be fair in light of the job that we do? | :29:59. | :30:01. | |
We have had to take some hard choices across the public | :30:02. | :30:12. | |
sector in relation to public-sector pay restraint. | :30:13. | :30:14. | |
But there isn't a magic money tree we can shake that suddenly provides | :30:15. | :30:17. | |
Is Labour's manifesto a realistic wish list or is it just | :30:18. | :30:21. | |
I think it is a serious and realistic document that | :30:22. | :30:24. | |
addresses the issues that many people in this country face. | :30:25. | :30:38. | |
We have been brave enough to put it out there with all | :30:39. | :30:41. | |
I think you're losing a lot of votes from SNP supporters by continuing | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
with the independence referendum at this time. | :30:47. | :30:48. | |
I am not proposing it now, I accept that point. | :30:49. | :30:50. | |
My simple proposition, it should be our choice, when the time is right | :30:51. | :30:57. | |
and we know what breaks it means for our country, to decide what the | :30:58. | :30:58. | |
future of Scotland should be. So what are the Conservatives, | :30:59. | :31:16. | |
Labour and the other main parties doing today to win all those | :31:17. | :31:19. | |
last minute votes? First to Chris Mason | :31:20. | :31:21. | |
who is with the Jeremy Corbyn Good morning Victoria. The marathon | :31:22. | :31:35. | |
is on when all the party leaders dash around all corners of the | :31:36. | :31:39. | |
country to try and convince us that they're hard enough and they're go | :31:40. | :31:45. | |
to woo and cajole every person who may not have made up their mind. | :31:46. | :31:50. | |
Jeremy Corbyn started in Glasgow. He will roll up here in Runcorn in over | :31:51. | :31:54. | |
an hour's time. Some Labour activists are gathering. The focus | :31:55. | :32:00. | |
of his speech here will be the NHS. The big challenge for Jeremy Corbyn | :32:01. | :32:04. | |
is trying to turn the depth of the support that we have seen a lot of | :32:05. | :32:08. | |
his rallies in recent days, quite a few people already and plenty more | :32:09. | :32:13. | |
likely to arrive in the next hour or hour and 20 minutes into the breadth | :32:14. | :32:17. | |
you need to become Prime Minister. You become Prime Minister not by | :32:18. | :32:21. | |
having a few million people who adore you, you need on top of that | :32:22. | :32:27. | |
plenty who are happy to vote for you and to put up with you as Prime | :32:28. | :32:30. | |
Minister. The challenge for Jeremy Corbyn is trying to spread out that | :32:31. | :32:34. | |
support. But they are buoyed up and they are positive Labour. They feel | :32:35. | :32:38. | |
like they have had a good last couple of weeks. Jeremy Corbyn likes | :32:39. | :32:41. | |
it and enjoys it out on the stump. He is off to North Wales after he | :32:42. | :32:44. | |
has been here. Then he heads to Watford and then he ends up in | :32:45. | :32:49. | |
Islington, his home patch in North London. So, plenty of miles to go! | :32:50. | :32:52. | |
Cheers, Chris, thank you very much. Sima Kotecha is with | :32:53. | :33:01. | |
Tim Farron and the Liberal Tim Farron has just pulled this | :33:02. | :33:11. | |
pint. This constituency voted Tory in 2005. It was a Tory seat until | :33:12. | :33:17. | |
2015. And now the Lib Dems are hoping that they can win it because | :33:18. | :33:21. | |
overwhelmingly it voted to Remain in the EU referendum. So as I said, he | :33:22. | :33:26. | |
has been pulling pints and talking to businesses about the detrimental | :33:27. | :33:30. | |
effects he says Brexit will have on businesses here and around the | :33:31. | :33:36. | |
country. Now, remember at the front and centre of the manifesto has been | :33:37. | :33:39. | |
a pledge if they were to win on Friday that they would have another | :33:40. | :33:42. | |
referendum, where they would offer the people a chance to have a say on | :33:43. | :33:47. | |
that crucial deal between Brussels and the Government. That has been | :33:48. | :33:51. | |
the core of their message. They have also announced other eye-catching | :33:52. | :33:55. | |
policies along the way including legalising cannabis and allowing | :33:56. | :33:58. | |
tens of thousands of Syrian refugees to come in the country if they are | :33:59. | :34:03. | |
successful. However, as I said, they've dubbed themselves as the | :34:04. | :34:06. | |
anti-Brexit party from day one on this campaign. However, there has | :34:07. | :34:09. | |
been a mixed reaction on the doorstep. Some people saying they | :34:10. | :34:13. | |
feel irritated and frustrated that they're banging on about something | :34:14. | :34:17. | |
they say that happened a year ago. But there are those who say well, | :34:18. | :34:21. | |
hang on a mind the Government need to be held to account and they say | :34:22. | :34:24. | |
the Liberal Democrats are the party to do that. We'll find out if that | :34:25. | :34:27. | |
message has been successful on Friday. | :34:28. | :34:36. | |
And Ben Wright is with Theresa May's campaign. | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
There are red and blue bowling balls being rolled along this green in | :34:41. | :34:45. | |
Southampton. Theresa May is here in Hampshire. The first stop of her | :34:46. | :34:53. | |
final day of campaigning. We're in the constituency of Southampton | :34:54. | :34:56. | |
Test. It has a Labour majority of just under 4,000. It is interesting | :34:57. | :35:01. | |
she is here. Clearly, it is a seat she feels the Tories might be able | :35:02. | :35:05. | |
to take. It's the start of a day where Theresa May will be | :35:06. | :35:09. | |
criss-crossing England. Hampshire to begin with and then East Anglia and | :35:10. | :35:13. | |
we rumble through to the Midlands and a rally this evening where this | :35:14. | :35:17. | |
campaign will finish and I imagine we'll hear familiar themes all day | :35:18. | :35:21. | |
about Brexit beginning soon after this election wraps up and the need | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
for somebody to is serious about delivering it to be in charge of the | :35:26. | :35:28. | |
negotiations. She will be framing the whole of today about a choice | :35:29. | :35:34. | |
between herself and Jeremy Corbyn. The questions of security are going | :35:35. | :35:38. | |
to feature. The announcement last night that she made that she maybe | :35:39. | :35:41. | |
prepared to re-open, pick apart and look at Human Rights law if it helps | :35:42. | :35:46. | |
to tackle extremism has clearly caused political controversy. | :35:47. | :35:51. | |
Labour, the Lib Dems have criticised her approach on that, so that could | :35:52. | :35:54. | |
be the issue we talk about during this final day of general election | :35:55. | :35:55. | |
campaigning. And finally our political | :35:56. | :36:06. | |
guru Norman Smith is in Westminster and | :36:07. | :36:08. | |
more on the news that Dianne Abbott has stepped back | :36:09. | :36:21. | |
from the campaign due to ill health. It seems that Diane Abbott is not at | :36:22. | :36:27. | |
all well. We have had a statement from the Labour Party saying she is | :36:28. | :36:31. | |
going to be replaced for the foreseeable as Shadow Home Secretary | :36:32. | :36:36. | |
by Lynn Brown. Some folks saying she will be out of action indefinitely. | :36:37. | :36:40. | |
We don't know what's wrong with her. But obviously, it looks a little | :36:41. | :36:48. | |
more serious than a dickie heart or a migraine. Emily Thornbury was in | :36:49. | :36:53. | |
here a short time ago saying how strong Diane Abbott was and she | :36:54. | :36:55. | |
suggested some people should be ashamed of themselves for suggesting | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
that you know she had been pulled back because Labour people didn't | :37:00. | :37:02. | |
have confidence in her. Now, we don't know what's wrong with her, | :37:03. | :37:06. | |
but clearly, she is not at all well. OK. So the last day of campaigning | :37:07. | :37:11. | |
and for a final time let's look at the moments through the campaign. | :37:12. | :37:18. | |
We need a general election and we need one now. To every city, every | :37:19. | :37:24. | |
village, every town. We state a clear intention. B-the future of | :37:25. | :37:28. | |
this country. The big question here is simply this. At what point... Are | :37:29. | :37:33. | |
voters... Getting tired of politicians. Let me finish if you | :37:34. | :37:40. | |
don't mind. So Norman take us through some of | :37:41. | :37:44. | |
your picks of the campaign. So, I guess one of the things in an | :37:45. | :37:47. | |
election campaign is it's a moment to get to know the political | :37:48. | :37:53. | |
leadersment you get a sense of their character and what they are about | :37:54. | :37:58. | |
and what sort of person, but Theresa May, any time anyone tried to get a | :37:59. | :38:02. | |
sense of her likes and dislikes, they have been biffed away. Theresa | :38:03. | :38:04. | |
May will not give us anything about the sort of person she is. You | :38:05. | :38:08. | |
remember, she did that sort of quick fire interview when she was asked, | :38:09. | :38:15. | |
you know, do you prefer broad church or Line of Duty. She was asked do | :38:16. | :38:20. | |
you like Indian or Chinese take-aways. She said she didn't do | :38:21. | :38:26. | |
take aways and she was asked if she preferred whisky or wine? She didn't | :38:27. | :38:32. | |
answer. A journalist on ITV had one last effort in the dying days of the | :38:33. | :38:37. | |
campaign to try and crowbar out a little more sell of personal | :38:38. | :38:41. | |
information about Theresa May! What's the naughtiest thing you ever | :38:42. | :38:49. | |
did? Oh goodness me, well, I suppose, gosh, do you know, I'm not | :38:50. | :38:53. | |
quite sure. There must have been a moment? Nobody is ever perfectly | :38:54. | :39:00. | |
behaved, are they? I have to confess when me and my friends used to run | :39:01. | :39:04. | |
through the fields of wheat, the farmers weren't too pleased about | :39:05. | :39:08. | |
that. Evil. Evil. How has Theresa May managed to live with that all | :39:09. | :39:13. | |
her life. If I was a farmer, I would be on the blower, I would say, "It | :39:14. | :39:19. | |
was that Theresa from the vicarage, she was running through the fields | :39:20. | :39:22. | |
of corn. What are you going to do about it?" What about Jeremy Corbyn? | :39:23. | :39:25. | |
If you're going to launch a policy, the basic rule is get your facts | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
sorted out and above all, know how much it's going to cost. Second, tip | :39:31. | :39:36. | |
to politicians, if you're going a radio interview, don't think no one | :39:37. | :39:40. | |
can see you. We have cameras in the studio. We can see you tapping away | :39:41. | :39:44. | |
on your iPad trying to get the answers! Look at Jeremy Corbyn! How | :39:45. | :39:50. | |
much will it cost to provide unmeans-tested childcare for 1.3 | :39:51. | :39:56. | |
million children? Maria Miller, it will cost Maria Miller, it will | :39:57. | :40:03. | |
obviously cost a a lot to do so. I presume you have the figures. I will | :40:04. | :40:07. | |
give you the figure in a moment. You don't know it. You're logging into | :40:08. | :40:12. | |
your iPad here. You've announced a Mabelingor policy and you don't know | :40:13. | :40:16. | |
how much it'll cost. What a nightmare! Last off, Nicola | :40:17. | :40:21. | |
Sturgeon, the SNP have been quite good at arranging lots and lots of | :40:22. | :40:25. | |
events to get Scotland's First Minister out and about. But, some of | :40:26. | :40:30. | |
these photo opportunities have become sort of photo opportunities | :40:31. | :40:35. | |
from hell and you can see Nicola Sturgeon just thinking, "What am I | :40:36. | :40:36. | |
doing here?" Like aerobics. You can see her | :40:37. | :40:54. | |
thinking, "Who on earth decided on this?" She hasn't got her high | :40:55. | :41:01. | |
heels. Ice creams, be careful of ice creams. This one is melting quickly. | :41:02. | :41:04. | |
It's going to dribble all over the place! And what on earth is that? I | :41:05. | :41:11. | |
mean, I'm not a great cook, but honestly, that does not look that | :41:12. | :41:18. | |
appetising. It's a meat pie, ain't it? Everyone knows it's a meat pie. | :41:19. | :41:23. | |
I'm not feeling enthusiastic about that meat pie. It's not exactly | :41:24. | :41:29. | |
making me hungry. Maybe Jon Ashworth should have been crowbared with the | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
disco dancing in the van. That was very good. I liked that. He loved | :41:34. | :41:38. | |
it. He loved it. I don't know what that says. What does it say if a | :41:39. | :41:42. | |
politician really wants to sing and if a politician doesn't want to | :41:43. | :41:46. | |
sing? Let's not answer that. Let's leave it hanging there. Thank you | :41:47. | :41:50. | |
very much, Norman. Our election programme on the BBC tomorrow night | :41:51. | :41:57. | |
with David Dimbleby and Emily Maitlis, with all the people you'd | :41:58. | :42:01. | |
expect throughout the night on the BBC bringing you the results. | :42:02. | :42:07. | |
We'll be asking why hundreds of thousands of teenage boys | :42:08. | :42:11. | |
are being denied a potentially life saving vaccine which is routinely | :42:12. | :42:25. | |
And as the battle for Raqqa - the headquarters of so-called | :42:26. | :42:28. | |
Islamic State in Iraq - rages, we'll hear from | :42:29. | :42:31. | |
an organisation helping those who've escaped the city. | :42:32. | :42:33. | |
Almost 400,000 teenage boys a year are currently denied a vaccine that | :42:34. | :42:35. | |
The Human Papilloma Virus, or HPV, jab is only offered to teenage girls | :42:36. | :42:49. | |
in the UK to protect against cervial cancer. | :42:50. | :42:53. | |
The virus which is transmitted through sexual | :42:54. | :42:54. | |
contact leads to lots of different types of infection and in some | :42:55. | :42:57. | |
In the UK, girls aged 12 to 13 have been vaccinated | :42:58. | :43:02. | |
So why are boys not getting the same treatment? | :43:03. | :43:07. | |
Steve Bergman was diagnosed with throat cancer in 2015 through | :43:08. | :43:14. | |
Jill De Nardo was diagnosed with anal cancer in 2009. | :43:15. | :43:17. | |
She has a daughter who received the vaccine | :43:18. | :43:19. | |
Tristan Almada is the founder of the HPV and Anal Cancer Foundation. | :43:20. | :43:26. | |
Welcome all of you. Thank you for coming on the programme. Explain | :43:27. | :43:34. | |
what the Human Papilloma Virus is. It's a virus that everyone comes | :43:35. | :43:38. | |
into contact with at some point in their life. We think that 80% of | :43:39. | :43:42. | |
sexually active people will test positive at some point for HPV. It | :43:43. | :43:50. | |
causes 5% of all cancers and some of the fast increasing cancers in the | :43:51. | :43:55. | |
UK today for example throat cancer are caused by this virus. We don't | :43:56. | :43:58. | |
know why some people who get diagnosed with HPV such as my | :43:59. | :44:05. | |
mother, progressed to cancer and end up passing away. We don't know why | :44:06. | :44:09. | |
others resolve the virus on their own. OK, but you said it was | :44:10. | :44:15. | |
ubiquitous so we all have it. We have the propensity to have it? If | :44:16. | :44:19. | |
you have had sex once, you have come into contact with HPV, you have it, | :44:20. | :44:25. | |
I have it, Joe has it. It is unavoidable. You can pass it through | :44:26. | :44:30. | |
passionate kissing or through any means of contact. OK. You mentioned | :44:31. | :44:34. | |
your personal experience. Tell us a little more about that if that's OK? | :44:35. | :44:45. | |
In 2010 my mother passed by away from stage four APV related cancer. | :44:46. | :44:50. | |
She invested every ounce of loving energy into the upbringing of my | :44:51. | :44:54. | |
sisters and myself and when she passed away, my sisters and I | :44:55. | :44:57. | |
thought well, is there something that we can do to prevent the | :44:58. | :45:01. | |
devastation that happened to our family from happening to anyone ever | :45:02. | :45:06. | |
again? Watching someone deteriorate in your hands, the most important | :45:07. | :45:10. | |
person in your life and it's not just the side-effects from the | :45:11. | :45:14. | |
chemotherapy that cause your hands to feel numb so for the case of my | :45:15. | :45:19. | |
mother, she had this dream to be a landscape architect and she used to | :45:20. | :45:22. | |
work in public relations and she don't draft because her hands were | :45:23. | :45:28. | |
so numb. But in addition to the emotional anxiety and the stigma | :45:29. | :45:32. | |
associated with HPV because people don't understand what it is, so she | :45:33. | :45:36. | |
couldn't relate her diagnosis to her friends and family because she was | :45:37. | :45:41. | |
afraid of what they might say. HPV, how do you get that, anal cancer, | :45:42. | :45:47. | |
how do you get that? The only thing that made her at risk was that she | :45:48. | :45:53. | |
was a human being. Jill, you were diagnosed with anal cancer in 2009. | :45:54. | :46:01. | |
Can you relate to what tris tran is saying about the stigma? | :46:02. | :46:07. | |
Diagnosed at the same age. I did not really tell anybody that it was anal | :46:08. | :46:16. | |
cancer at the time, I said it was bowel cancer but the more I | :46:17. | :46:23. | |
realised, the more I thought about it, the less I would be aware. It | :46:24. | :46:27. | |
was Tristan's family that made me aware of the HPV connection with the | :46:28. | :46:31. | |
cancer. That is when I start to get very angry. The fact that it was not | :46:32. | :46:35. | |
known to many people. My daughter was potentially protected against | :46:36. | :46:44. | |
it, but my sons were not. And we are awaiting a decision as to whether | :46:45. | :46:48. | |
teenage boys will be routinely vaccinated. What is the argument for | :46:49. | :46:52. | |
only vaccinating teenage girls? I do not think there can be an argument. | :46:53. | :46:57. | |
Look at this picture here. These are my three children. They all went | :46:58. | :47:00. | |
through routine vaccinations, they went through the normal inoculations | :47:01. | :47:04. | |
that children have. Why would any parents choose to discriminate | :47:05. | :47:09. | |
against one child, in favour of the other two? My sons are too old for | :47:10. | :47:12. | |
the vaccination to be properly protected, but if they had had the | :47:13. | :47:16. | |
vaccination at the same age as my daughter, they would be protected. | :47:17. | :47:21. | |
It is not good enough to say that they heard situation, where 85% of | :47:22. | :47:28. | |
the girls are protected... If my son is having relationships with older | :47:29. | :47:33. | |
people or girls from countries that have not been vaccinated, they are | :47:34. | :47:38. | |
at just as much risk. Let me bring in Steve, who was diagnosed with | :47:39. | :47:42. | |
cancer in 2015. How are you at the moment? I am great, thank you. You | :47:43. | :47:48. | |
thought it was glandular fever. Yes. My wife and I, we looked at the | :47:49. | :47:55. | |
consultations on the internet, and I had all the symptoms of glandular | :47:56. | :47:58. | |
fever so we went along and somebody whacked me round the head and said, | :47:59. | :48:04. | |
you have got cancer. And how did you react to the fact that it was throat | :48:05. | :48:11. | |
cancer caused by HPV? It took a while for me to digest what it was | :48:12. | :48:15. | |
about. I think it is important to say that I am a heterosexual man. I | :48:16. | :48:20. | |
have family and a daughter, and this can happen to anyone. What happened | :48:21. | :48:27. | |
to me, all of a sudden my whole world was completely consumed by | :48:28. | :48:35. | |
trying to get healthy again. Within eight days I was whipped into | :48:36. | :48:41. | |
hospital and I had a massive tumour removed from my throat and my right | :48:42. | :48:46. | |
tonsil. I had a tracheotomy put in there. And I started seven months of | :48:47. | :48:58. | |
recovery, settling into that, and then a couple of months of | :48:59. | :49:03. | |
chemotherapy, and then quite radical radiotherapy because this part of | :49:04. | :49:09. | |
the body, it's a really busy part of the body. And it had a massive | :49:10. | :49:14. | |
impact on everything, saliva, food, everything. And then there is the | :49:15. | :49:21. | |
after-shock, that once recovery has taken place, it is the emotional | :49:22. | :49:27. | |
stuff, that has to be repaired. And that has taken a while. Do you mind | :49:28. | :49:35. | |
me asking how old your doctor is? She is 23. So she is too late for | :49:36. | :49:39. | |
this vaccine? No, she was the first year. Let me ask you the same | :49:40. | :49:46. | |
question I asked Gill. Is there any argument for teenage boys, apart | :49:47. | :49:49. | |
from cost, which is an issue with the NHS in England and Wales? It is | :49:50. | :49:57. | |
not that much. Tell me why you believe teenage boys are not | :49:58. | :50:05. | |
routinely vaccinated? There are 11 countries in the world that | :50:06. | :50:09. | |
routinely vaccinate boys, including Austria, Brazil and Italy. Norway, | :50:10. | :50:13. | |
Switzerland, the United States. We think it is a matter of time before | :50:14. | :50:18. | |
everyone realises that this is, that this is the solution to solve a | :50:19. | :50:22. | |
preventable cancer. The questionnaires, is the UK going to | :50:23. | :50:26. | |
be the next country or a country that will make this decision a few | :50:27. | :50:31. | |
years down the road. The argument to not vaccinate boys is that if you | :50:32. | :50:36. | |
protect enough girls, and boys just have sex with the vaccinated girls, | :50:37. | :50:39. | |
in theory you have protected those boys but if the boys travel or are | :50:40. | :50:48. | |
older, or like older women or are gay, or meet women from other | :50:49. | :50:53. | |
countries, they are not protected. It is just a very narrow way of | :50:54. | :50:59. | |
viewing it. I think there is a lot of misinformation about HPV. We | :51:00. | :51:03. | |
think about it as a cervical cancer jab. It is not that, it is a 5% of | :51:04. | :51:08. | |
all cancers jab. Ten years ago there was a lot of data pointing to the | :51:09. | :51:13. | |
fact that this was mostly about women, but since then we have | :51:14. | :51:16. | |
realised that the burden also falls on them. Thank you very much, all of | :51:17. | :51:21. | |
you, thank you for educating us. We await a decision. Let me bring you | :51:22. | :51:31. | |
this sad breaking news. It is to do with a victim from the London Bridge | :51:32. | :51:34. | |
terror attack. Detectives searching for the Frenchman, Xavier Thomas, | :51:35. | :51:42. | |
who disappeared on Saturday night, have recovered a body from the | :51:43. | :51:45. | |
Thames. Scotland Yard say that his next of kin have been informed. | :51:46. | :51:53. | |
Xavier Thomas, who has not been seen since the terror attacks on Saturday | :51:54. | :51:56. | |
night, his body has been recovered from the Thames near Limehouse. | :51:57. | :52:00. | |
Scotland Yard say his next of kin have been informed. | :52:01. | :52:07. | |
Next, we're going to talk about Raqqa in Syria, technically the | :52:08. | :52:17. | |
headquarters of Islamic State. It is a city with a population of 200 or | :52:18. | :52:23. | |
300,000, the size of a town like Rochdale. And now others are trying | :52:24. | :52:28. | |
to take back control from IS, a selection of fighters known as the | :52:29. | :52:33. | |
Syrian Democratic forces, backed by the United States. They launched an | :52:34. | :52:37. | |
offensive this week to try to retake it. The US coalition said that the | :52:38. | :52:41. | |
battle would be long and difficult and it is thought that between three | :52:42. | :52:48. | |
and 4000 IS prisoners are holed up inside Raqqa. Islamic State have | :52:49. | :52:52. | |
lost a lot of territory, as you can see from these maps, that they | :52:53. | :52:54. | |
control at the start of last year. In March of this year, they lost the | :52:55. | :53:00. | |
historic city of Chameera in Syria while the battle for Mosul, an | :53:01. | :53:05. | |
important city in Iraq, is still ongoing. -- Palmyra. It would be a | :53:06. | :53:14. | |
serious blow for Islamic states to lose Raqqa, where there organisation | :53:15. | :53:20. | |
has been based for a number of years. | :53:21. | :53:20. | |
We can chat about this more now with Charlie Winter who does | :53:21. | :53:23. | |
lots of research on Islamic State for the International Centre | :53:24. | :53:26. | |
for the Study of Radicalisation at Kings College London | :53:27. | :53:28. | |
and Paul Donohoe from the International Rescue committee - | :53:29. | :53:30. | |
an aid organisation who've been helping people who've | :53:31. | :53:32. | |
Hello to you both. Thanks for talking to us. Charlie, how | :53:33. | :53:38. | |
important is Raqqa to IS? Well, symbolically it is very important. I | :53:39. | :53:46. | |
think if it is taken from Islamic State over the next few months, and | :53:47. | :53:49. | |
it will take one time, it will be a big win the coalition. Over the last | :53:50. | :53:54. | |
six months or so, Islamic State has been moving away from Raqqa to | :53:55. | :54:10. | |
Easter Syria, so the thing is, the groups is Raqqa as its capital, but | :54:11. | :54:15. | |
it is only a symbolic thing. Obviously it is going to be hugely | :54:16. | :54:21. | |
important if it is taken. Poll, tell our audience about what life has | :54:22. | :54:25. | |
been like inside Raqqa over the last few years? Well, unfortunately there | :54:26. | :54:33. | |
have been 200,000 civilians trapped under ice is controlled Raqqa for | :54:34. | :54:39. | |
three and a half years. We know from those who have escaped that every | :54:40. | :54:44. | |
day has been terror, and in addition to the harsh rules that people know | :54:45. | :54:50. | |
that those living under Isis have to adhere to, you can be executed for | :54:51. | :54:53. | |
the slightest infraction. And in recent days we have heard that some | :54:54. | :54:57. | |
people have been executed for being found to not be fasting or for | :54:58. | :55:01. | |
trying to make contact with anyone outside the city. You can imagine it | :55:02. | :55:05. | |
has been a very traumatic experience and a real ordeal, so one of the | :55:06. | :55:09. | |
things we try to do as an aid agency, as well as providing | :55:10. | :55:13. | |
life-saving AIDS, is to make sure that people get the proper | :55:14. | :55:15. | |
specialist support they need to overcome what they have gone | :55:16. | :55:19. | |
through. But things are going to get tougher as this battle rages? It's | :55:20. | :55:25. | |
true. We are worried for the civilian still in the city that they | :55:26. | :55:29. | |
are effectively being used as human shields. It is a tactic that ice of | :55:30. | :55:32. | |
used and that means that they will be at real risk of being caught up | :55:33. | :55:37. | |
in the fighting, as the assault makes it way through the city. Of | :55:38. | :55:41. | |
course, also as locations and buildings are used by snipers, the | :55:42. | :55:46. | |
civilians living in those buildings will unfortunately be killed. For | :55:47. | :55:49. | |
those who have the opportunity to escape, they still face real risks, | :55:50. | :55:58. | |
and we have met people who have seen family members killed as they | :55:59. | :56:01. | |
crossed minefields. And some have been targeted by snipers. Charlie, | :56:02. | :56:06. | |
is it accurate to say that Islamic State are struggling in Syria and | :56:07. | :56:15. | |
Iraq or not? Absolutely. There is no two ways about it. They have lost a | :56:16. | :56:18. | |
lot of senior figures in the leadership, they have lost thousands | :56:19. | :56:21. | |
and thousands of square kilometres of territory. The most important | :56:22. | :56:26. | |
resource is people. They need to be able to drop on people for recruits | :56:27. | :56:30. | |
and supporters, and they have lost a lot of them along with the | :56:31. | :56:36. | |
territory. They have lost access to the local population. The insurgency | :56:37. | :56:38. | |
is struggling. And I am afraid to say that as its insurgency in Iraq | :56:39. | :56:43. | |
and Syria is struggling, it has looked to attack elsewhere. And are | :56:44. | :56:49. | |
we an increased threat because they are struggling in Syria? I think we | :56:50. | :56:53. | |
are. We need to be careful about drawing to linear relationship, and | :56:54. | :56:57. | |
certainly there is no two ways about it, terrorism as propaganda, it | :56:58. | :57:05. | |
absolutely is propaganda. And as its momentum slows, as the ideology | :57:06. | :57:09. | |
continues to flounder to ring the insurgency, it means that it needs | :57:10. | :57:13. | |
to be able to derive that momentum from somewhere else and terrorism | :57:14. | :57:16. | |
happens to be a very good way of doing it. There will be some people | :57:17. | :57:22. | |
talking and listening to how you have described the lives of | :57:23. | :57:25. | |
civilians in Raqqa you will want to do something. What can people do? | :57:26. | :57:32. | |
Well, organisations like my own, the International Rescue Corps Mitzi, we | :57:33. | :57:36. | |
have teams inside north-east Syria providing health care to people who | :57:37. | :57:39. | |
have escaped and supporting people to rebuild their lives. One of the | :57:40. | :57:43. | |
things that we're worried about is that over the years that the | :57:44. | :57:47. | |
children have lived under Isis, many of them have not been in school and | :57:48. | :57:51. | |
they have lost in education. We do not want a lost generation so | :57:52. | :57:55. | |
long-term, any of the children that have escaped Isis areas in Syria and | :57:56. | :57:59. | |
Iraq, that has to be part of the solution. Thank you very much, both | :58:00. | :58:06. | |
of you. Charlie went from the international centre for the study | :58:07. | :58:08. | |
of radicalisation and Paul Donohoe from the International Rescue Corps | :58:09. | :58:11. | |
Mitty, thank you very much. Thank you for your messages today, whether | :58:12. | :58:15. | |
you are undecided or whether you have made a decision about who you | :58:16. | :58:19. | |
will vote for tomorrow. Robert says, it is my decision to vote | :58:20. | :58:22. | |
Conservative because I cannot trust Jeremy Corbyn with the safety of the | :58:23. | :58:28. | |
country. John says it is now time to support our National Health Service. | :58:29. | :58:29. | |
Becky Bumic favelas. I want to know... | :58:30. | :58:33. | |
..what will happen next. And I want to know... | :58:34. | :58:38. | |
..what it all means... | :58:39. | :58:41. |