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I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme. | :00:08. | :00:23. | |
After all the way to come election day is finally here. | :00:24. | :00:27. | |
Leaders are all voting this morning - we'll bring you those | :00:28. | :00:30. | |
Internet scammers keep finding new ways to trick you out of your cash, | :00:31. | :00:39. | |
but networks of volunteers are fighting back. I hear that I have | :00:40. | :00:47. | |
won the lottery! Yes, you need to see the information we require from | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
you for me to process your file. I am an agent for the promotion, the | :00:53. | :00:55. | |
payment department agent assigned to your payment. We will hear from some | :00:56. | :01:01. | |
cyber security experts on how to protect yourself. And the teenager | :01:02. | :01:10. | |
who had the presence of mind to start recording with her mobile | :01:11. | :01:23. | |
phone when a man attacked her. I switch the recording on my phone and | :01:24. | :01:26. | |
the light as well, and I thought, if he sees I am recording, I said, I am | :01:27. | :01:31. | |
recording you, I am recording you, he will run off, it would scare him | :01:32. | :01:34. | |
off, and he wouldn't want to get caught. But he didn't care at all. | :01:35. | :01:48. | |
We will hear from 19-year-old Lilyanne. It is an incredible story. | :01:49. | :02:00. | |
Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning. | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
Also - do you think music festivals should provide drug testing | :02:05. | :02:06. | |
facilities to allow people taking illegal drugs to check | :02:07. | :02:09. | |
If you take drugs, if you go to festivals - | :02:10. | :02:12. | |
Seven weeks after a general election was called, | :02:13. | :02:18. | |
polling stations across the UK have opened for millions of people | :02:19. | :02:20. | |
Police forces say there is increased security in some areas | :02:21. | :02:24. | |
following the recent terror attacks in Manchester and London. | :02:25. | :02:26. | |
The first election results are expected at around midnight. | :02:27. | :02:29. | |
Election day 2017, just two years after the last one, | :02:30. | :02:35. | |
and three years earlier than we were expecting. | :02:36. | :02:40. | |
68 different parties are vying for your votes this time around, | :02:41. | :02:43. | |
with a total field of more than 3,300 candidates. | :02:44. | :02:49. | |
We'll elect MPs from 650 constituencies across the UK, | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
533 in England, 40 in Wales, 59 in Scotland, and 18 in Northern | :02:55. | :02:57. | |
Around 47 million people are eligible to vote, | :02:58. | :03:03. | |
and we'll be casting our ballots at 41,000 polling stations | :03:04. | :03:07. | |
the length and breadth of the land, as well as by post. | :03:08. | :03:12. | |
The party leader with the most MPs will be invited by the Queen to form | :03:13. | :03:16. | |
a government, with MPs due back here next Tuesday. | :03:17. | :03:21. | |
So, after seven weeks of campaigning, the time has come | :03:22. | :03:23. | |
to choose who will end up on those green benches across the road. | :03:24. | :03:27. | |
11 days from now, the Queen will arrive here in a scaled-down | :03:28. | :03:30. | |
ceremony, wearing a hat, not a crown, driven in a car, | :03:31. | :03:33. | |
not a royal coach, to present the new government's plan | :03:34. | :03:36. | |
Gary O'Donoghue, BBC News, Westminster. | :03:37. | :03:46. | |
And you can we watch all the results coming in throughout the night. | :03:47. | :03:57. | |
Mishal Husain, David Dimbleby, Laura Kuenssberg and Emily Maitlis will | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
have your coverage. At ten o'clock you will get the exit poll, which | :04:03. | :04:06. | |
often gives you a good indication of the outcome of the election. That's | :04:07. | :04:15. | |
at 9:55pm on BBC One. Jeremy Vine will no doubt be there with some | :04:16. | :04:18. | |
crazy graphics. So do tuning tonight. Let's bring you the rest of | :04:19. | :04:26. | |
the morning's news with Annita. Thank you, Victoria. Good morning. | :04:27. | :04:30. | |
Claire The former FBI director sacked | :04:31. | :04:31. | |
by Donald Trump will give evidence James Comey claims the US President | :04:32. | :04:34. | |
tried to influence his investigation into links between members | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
of the Trump team and Russia. Our North America Correspondent | :04:39. | :04:41. | |
Rajini Vaidyanathan reports. There was a time when President | :04:42. | :04:42. | |
Trump had nothing but praise for James Comey, but a firm | :04:43. | :04:49. | |
grip in January turned The President sacked the FBI | :04:50. | :04:52. | |
director, reportedly calling him He's a showboat, | :04:53. | :04:58. | |
he's a grandstander. You know that, I know that, | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
everybody knows that. Most people know the President's | :05:02. | :05:10. | |
version of events. Now James Comey will go public | :05:11. | :05:12. | |
before the Senate with his. On the eve of his appearance before | :05:13. | :05:15. | |
the Senate, James Comey released He said the President isn't | :05:16. | :05:18. | |
being investigated by the FBI Mr Comey says over a private dinner | :05:19. | :05:32. | |
in January he was asked by the President for his unwavering | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
support. "I need loyalty, I expect loyalty", | :05:37. | :05:38. | |
he says the President told him. But how far did the | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
President expect that Mr Comey says he was asked to drop | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
the investigation into ties between the President's former | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
national security adviser Michael There is no suggestion | :05:51. | :05:52. | |
that the President asked for an end to the wider | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
written inquiry but James It's not just Congress which is | :05:57. | :05:58. | |
looking into the Trump campaign's ties to Russia, there is also | :05:59. | :06:06. | |
an ongoing FBI investigation. In the saga that is | :06:07. | :06:12. | |
Washington politics, James Comey's testimony | :06:13. | :06:14. | |
is a must-see moment but it's just one act | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
what's becoming a long and drawn-out political drama. | :06:20. | :06:26. | |
Three men have been arrested on suspicion of terror offences | :06:27. | :06:28. | |
after armed officers carried out a series of raids | :06:29. | :06:30. | |
Two men aged 34 and 37 were arrested at separate addresses in Newham | :06:31. | :06:41. | |
and a 33-year-old man was arrested in Waltham Forest. | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
Police say the arrests are not connected to | :06:45. | :06:46. | |
Military officials in Myanmar say wreckage from an air force transport | :06:47. | :06:52. | |
plane which disappeared over the Andaman Sea | :06:53. | :06:54. | |
Ten bodies, including those of a child, were discovered | :06:55. | :07:00. | |
about 35 kilometres south of the town of Launglon. | :07:01. | :07:03. | |
The Chinese-made aircraft was carrying 122 passengers | :07:04. | :07:05. | |
and crew, most of them soldiers and their families. | :07:06. | :07:11. | |
Scientists at the University of Bath have developed biodegradable | :07:12. | :07:14. | |
cellulose microbeads that could replace harmful tiny pieces | :07:15. | :07:16. | |
Microbeads are tiny spheres of plastic which are added | :07:17. | :07:23. | |
to products such as face wash, sunscreen and toothpaste to give | :07:24. | :07:27. | |
Experts warn they end up in rivers and oceans, | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
where they are ingested by birds, fish and other marine life. | :07:32. | :07:40. | |
a Japanese fugitive who has been on the run for 45 years has been | :07:41. | :07:53. | |
arrested. He allegedly said an officer on fire. | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
Same-sex couples in the UK could be allowed to get married in Anglican | :07:58. | :08:00. | |
Later the Scottish Episcopal church will vote on whether to change | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
A positive vote would mean that same-sex couples from all over | :08:05. | :08:07. | |
the UK can marry in Anglican churches in Scotland. | :08:08. | :08:09. | |
Our correspondent Michael Buchanan reports. | :08:10. | :08:15. | |
At the centre of what we celebrate here today is the love | :08:16. | :08:18. | |
A gay marriage in an Anglican Church. | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
But later today, this scene could become legal in Scotland. | :08:23. | :08:30. | |
The Episcopal Church, the Anglican Church in Scotland, | :08:31. | :08:32. | |
will vote this afternoon on whether to allow gay weddings. | :08:33. | :08:34. | |
The Very Rev Kelvin Holdsworth is strongly in favour. | :08:35. | :08:43. | |
So many people now know gay couples who want to be married | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
in church and stand up in front of their friends and in front of God | :08:47. | :08:49. | |
and declare their love for one another. | :08:50. | :08:51. | |
The Churches in England and Wales don't allow saame | :08:52. | :08:59. | |
But if the vote in Edinburgh is passed today, it would allow | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
gay couples from the rest of the UK to be married | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
It's a question of the authority of the Bible who runs the church. | :09:07. | :09:17. | |
Our belief is the Bible is the supreme authority that | :09:18. | :09:19. | |
Jesus Christ runs the Church using the Bible. | :09:20. | :09:21. | |
When something like this happens, it is not so much | :09:22. | :09:23. | |
it is about the authority of the Bible that matters. | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
Attitudes to gay marriage are one of the defining | :09:29. | :09:32. | |
Supporters say acceptance of the move is inevitable over time. | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
Today's vote could bring that future a step closer. | :09:38. | :09:39. | |
Michael Buchanan, BBC News, Edinburgh. | :09:40. | :09:48. | |
A diamond ring bought for ?10 at a car-boot sale has been sold | :09:49. | :09:54. | |
for more than ?650,000 at auction in London. | :09:55. | :09:57. | |
The 26-carat cushion-shaped diamond sold for almost double its estimate. | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
The owner bought the ring in the 1980s and was unaware | :10:02. | :10:04. | |
of its real value, wearing it every day | :10:05. | :10:06. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30. | :10:07. | :10:14. | |
In a moment we will be talking about what is being done to keep | :10:15. | :10:21. | |
you safe from internet scammers who try to trick unsuspecting | :10:22. | :10:23. | |
Have you been a victim of that kind of fraud yourself? | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
Do get in touch with us throughout the morning - | :10:29. | :10:32. | |
use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text, you will be charged | :10:33. | :10:35. | |
Let's bring you some sport now. Our Chelsea really going to get rid of a | :10:36. | :10:43. | |
star player? It seems so, and it is pretty surprising, it involves Diego | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
Costa. If you are a fan of one of the other big clubs, you will be | :10:48. | :10:50. | |
happy to hear this, but the Chelsea fans, not at all. It has been | :10:51. | :10:56. | |
claimed he has been told he can leave the champions via a text | :10:57. | :10:58. | |
message from the manager, Antonio Conte. He scored 26 goals last | :10:59. | :11:05. | |
season, still only 26 years old, he was speaking after his country's | :11:06. | :11:10. | |
game last night. He is stirred Chelsea player but is looking for a | :11:11. | :11:13. | |
new club because it is clear that the new coach does not count on me | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
and does not want me there. That is a real development. He is a cult | :11:18. | :11:20. | |
hero at Chelsea, his team-mates seemed to like him and he is | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
well-known for his histrionics, and having a smile on his face as well. | :11:25. | :11:31. | |
It seems Chelsea are favourites to sign Romelu Lukaku from Everton as a | :11:32. | :11:36. | |
replacement, and that could make cost a fantastic deal for one of the | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
big clubs in Europe. And there is this big game coming up | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
England and Scotland, but England need a new captain. Who will it be? | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
A World Cup qualifier, and England without Wayne Rooney, he is lacking | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
in form. His long-term international future looks bleak as well, | :11:54. | :11:56. | |
questions being asked about who his replacement will be. At just 23, the | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
Premier League's top scorer last season, Harry Kane, thinks he is | :12:01. | :12:08. | |
ready to step up. I have grown up as a footballer, everyone grows up with | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
dreams of being England captain one day, I am no different, but it is | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
down to Gareth. We have a lot of leaders in this team, and that is | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
what we need to get across, that whoever is captain is captain, but | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
there are plenty of other leaders that can talk and help each other | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
out on the pitch, and that is the main focus for us. Gareth Southgate | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
was a bit more quiet on who the long-term replacement for Wayne | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
Rooney might be, but Harry Kane is being compared Alan Shearer, and we | :12:38. | :12:40. | |
all know what a great captain he was. And the Lions tour of New | :12:41. | :12:43. | |
Zealand hasn't got off to the best of starts. Getting any closer to a | :12:44. | :12:50. | |
test line-up? We should be, but once again, Warren Gatland has completely | :12:51. | :12:53. | |
changed his starting line-up of they are now into the third match of the | :12:54. | :12:58. | |
tour, we would expect to see what we would think would be the test | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
line-up, but they do have a match this Saturday, Wales lock Alun Wyn | :13:04. | :13:06. | |
is going to captain the side against the Canterbury Crusaders. Sean | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
O'Brien, Conor Murray, George North, they will all make their first | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
appearances of the tour. The Lions opponents have named eight All | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
Blacks in their team. Saturday's match will be far more daunting, it | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
is a big step up in quality because the Crusaders have a perfect 14 wins | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
from 14 so far this season. Thank you very much. More from Hugh | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
throughout the morning. Polling day, as you know, delighted to see one of | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
the great register additions is continuing on this general election | :13:40. | :13:40. | |
day, which is #dogsatpollingstations. We | :13:41. | :13:58. | |
would very much like to end the programme today with pictures of | :13:59. | :14:03. | |
your dog at the polling station. A picture of your dog, where you are | :14:04. | :14:06. | |
at the UK, and obviously the name of your dog. We have this picture, | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
unfortunately Richard hasn't given us the name of this dog, which I'm | :14:12. | :14:19. | |
guessing is a Cockerpoo, but I might be wrong. Not the most glamorous | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
polling station, but certainly the most glamorous dog, he says! Do send | :14:25. | :14:29. | |
us your pictures and we would be delighted to end the programme with | :14:30. | :14:32. | |
photographs of dogs from all around the UK. But first this morning. | :14:33. | :14:38. | |
Most of us have received a scam e-mail in our inbox - | :14:39. | :14:41. | |
someone wanting to transfer thousands of dollars into your | :14:42. | :14:44. | |
account, or asking you to cash cheques and send them money. | :14:45. | :14:46. | |
You might have ignored it, but thousands don't and fall victim | :14:47. | :14:49. | |
to this kind of online fraud, losing a lot of money | :14:50. | :14:51. | |
The criminals rarely get caught, because they are usually operating | :14:52. | :14:56. | |
from outside the UK, which makes it harder | :14:57. | :14:58. | |
But networks of volunteers are fighting back, trying to beat | :14:59. | :15:02. | |
Our reporter Hannah Morrison has been to meet some of them.. | :15:03. | :15:10. | |
Every year, tens of thousands of people are conned by online | :15:11. | :15:16. | |
scammers. But it is not only the authorities taking action. It is | :15:17. | :15:21. | |
just a bad element on the planet and something we could do without. | :15:22. | :15:27. | |
What we do is we waste their time and resources. And we make them | :15:28. | :15:34. | |
believe that they are not as good a scammer as they think they are. | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
There are always going to be there, but if we can take them down a peg, | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
take a victim away from them any time we can. | :15:43. | :15:48. | |
You have all received the e-mails. You have won a lottery you didn't | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
know you have signed up for. A long lost relative has left you | :15:54. | :15:56. | |
inheritance. But there is always a catch. You need to send money first. | :15:57. | :16:02. | |
Behind those e-mails are scammers who cheat people out of money, and | :16:03. | :16:09. | |
the Internet offers them a safe haven. The England and Wales crime | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
survey estimates there are 100,000 cases of this fraud each year. The | :16:14. | :16:17. | |
police admit it is harder to catch criminals working from overseas, but | :16:18. | :16:20. | |
a global network of volunteers is trying to stop them. Some of them | :16:21. | :16:29. | |
don't want to reveal their identities were obvious reasons, but | :16:30. | :16:39. | |
we have three of them online now. Can you explain what you do? As far | :16:40. | :16:44. | |
as baiting, I pretend to be a perfect victim for a scammer, the | :16:45. | :16:47. | |
idea is to collect all of their information, whether it it be faked | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
documents, phone numbers, photographs, anything they are | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
trying to use to scam victims with. Getting the scammers victims up | :16:57. | :16:59. | |
online so people can be warned about them or messing with a scammer to | :17:00. | :17:03. | |
take up his time and keep them away from victims. As a victim Warner, I | :17:04. | :17:09. | |
am sending out text messages or making actual phone calls to scam | :17:10. | :17:13. | |
victims to warn them that they are being scammed by Joe scammer and | :17:14. | :17:17. | |
that they need to protect themselves. Why do you do it? My | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
mother got caught up in what they call the grandparent scam. She | :17:23. | :17:26. | |
didn't lose any money and that was more just blind luck, but I know to | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
this day that my mother would still fall for this scam because she was | :17:31. | :17:35. | |
so convinced that this was reality. She had $5,000 cash, and it was a | :17:36. | :17:40. | |
western union employee that actually stopped her. It affected me deeply. | :17:41. | :17:45. | |
So what kind of technology are you using? Is there something special | :17:46. | :17:51. | |
you need to do the dues to do scam baiting? A pretty simple setup, I | :17:52. | :17:57. | |
can give you a location and I will show you how it's done. That sounds | :17:58. | :18:02. | |
perfect. Wayne has agreed to meet us, not at his house but at a secret | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
location. An empty hall in south Wales. He doesn't want the room run | :18:08. | :18:10. | |
the risk of the scammers knowing where he lives. How are you? Nice to | :18:11. | :18:19. | |
meet you. The website he runs puts up details they acquire from | :18:20. | :18:22. | |
conversations with scammers. Photos, phone numbers, e-mails. Victims can | :18:23. | :18:26. | |
use it to check whether they are being conned. Wayne says police and | :18:27. | :18:32. | |
other authorities use the data too. We have dealt with the police, the | :18:33. | :18:39. | |
FBI, Western Union. So we do work with police, with authorities, but | :18:40. | :18:44. | |
it is almost always when they come to us, rather than us going to look | :18:45. | :18:50. | |
to work with them. The police's National fraud and cyber crime | :18:51. | :18:52. | |
agency couldn't tell us whether they work with baiters like Wayne or not, | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
as they don't comment on individual groups. But their advice to victims | :18:57. | :19:02. | |
is to call action fraud. This is a conversation between you and someone | :19:03. | :19:05. | |
who I am assuming is not called Sarah. No. Do you make stuff up to | :19:06. | :19:12. | |
make you see more vulnerable? More like somebody who a scammer would | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
think they will get a success from? On this one, never married, just | :19:17. | :19:23. | |
split up a while back with my ex. Wayne and his friends have | :19:24. | :19:26. | |
successfully gathered pages of information on scammers, but it | :19:27. | :19:29. | |
rarely leads to arrest because so many are based abroad. So they find | :19:30. | :19:34. | |
other ways to get to them, by wasting their time and money, and | :19:35. | :19:37. | |
this is where the baiters have a bit more fun. OK, so we have just been | :19:38. | :19:42. | |
to see Wayne. We have now come to a different location in the UK to meet | :19:43. | :19:46. | |
someone else from the group, who is chewed to do some scam baiting this | :19:47. | :19:50. | |
evening. She has invited us along to see exactly how it stand. You are | :19:51. | :19:57. | |
going to try and bait someone, nothing we also going to try and get | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
when involved as well? We will see what we can do. We are not random | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
find a random person on the end of a phone, this is somebody who has | :20:06. | :20:08. | |
e-mailed and we know them. Gel and Wayne carry out a lot of baiting | :20:09. | :20:12. | |
together. They always wait to be approached, but that happens a lot | :20:13. | :20:16. | |
because their details are on so-called sucker lists, databases | :20:17. | :20:21. | |
compiled by scammers who have fallen victim to scams like this before. | :20:22. | :20:27. | |
Hello, Wayne, are you getting involved again? Pretending to be | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
husband-and-wife, they are going to make a phone call to someone who has | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
contacted Jill saying that she has won a lottery of $1.2 million in | :20:37. | :20:42. | |
Africa. The idea is to waste his time by arguing about which one of | :20:43. | :20:48. | |
them gets the money. Hello. Hello. I have my wife with me. We received | :20:49. | :20:56. | |
your e-mail, and we would both love to hear more. Are you people the | :20:57. | :21:03. | |
winners of the 2017 lottery? We are, yes. Is this for your wife or for | :21:04. | :21:09. | |
you? It would be for both of us. If you need to talk to my wife I can | :21:10. | :21:13. | |
get on the other line, I will do that. Can you take the other line? | :21:14. | :21:21. | |
Hello. Hello, how are you? Hello, it is lovely to hear from you. I hear | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
that I have won the lottery. Yes, yes! You need to send information to | :21:27. | :21:33. | |
me to process your file. I am an agent for the promotion. The payment | :21:34. | :21:39. | |
department agent assigned to your payment. The call goes on and on as | :21:40. | :21:42. | |
Jill and Wayne want to keep on talking as long as possible. The | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
more time he chats, the less it has to focus on other potential victims. | :21:47. | :21:50. | |
The continues to ask for their personal details. Just send the | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
information to me, then I will deal with you via the e-mail that you | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
put, your mobile number. They continue to waste the time. My | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
e-mail address, I get the my e-mail address, I get the money. | :22:04. | :22:11. | |
You do not get the money, it is my e-mail address! He persists, so do | :22:12. | :22:17. | |
they. He is not getting a penny of that money! Eventually Wayne and | :22:18. | :22:24. | |
Jill end the call. OK then, goodbye. I am assuming that would have gone | :22:25. | :22:28. | |
on normally, we had to cut it short, how long would it go on for? We | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
would carry on as long as it wasted their time, as long as it confused | :22:34. | :22:36. | |
the scammer. What is your motivation? We challenge them, and | :22:37. | :22:44. | |
we make them believe that they are not as good a scammer as they think | :22:45. | :22:48. | |
they are. So we get under their skin. What about your personal | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
safety, is it worth it? You have kids. I do, however I take great | :22:54. | :23:00. | |
care in protecting my online persona. I bait with e-mail | :23:01. | :23:08. | |
addresses that are not traceable. I don't use any of my real-life | :23:09. | :23:12. | |
information. If you want to catch them out, why not just report them | :23:13. | :23:16. | |
to the police straightaway? It would be brilliant if we could get them | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
arrested. Law enforcement in our country could advise, they do give a | :23:21. | :23:26. | |
lot of advice on how to prevent it from happening, but they can't | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
really affect proper arrests and control overseas. It is just not | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
possible, there are just too many of them. The police's fraud bureau say | :23:36. | :23:42. | |
that although criminals working abroad are harder to catch, a lot of | :23:43. | :23:46. | |
resources in the UK are going into preventing scams and raising | :23:47. | :23:49. | |
awareness of them. In the meantime, Jill, Wayne and many others will | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
continue scam baiting, passing any information they find on the victims | :23:54. | :24:03. | |
and the police. We will talk to two experts in just a moment but as it | :24:04. | :24:07. | |
is polling day, Theresa May has just voted in her Maidenhead | :24:08. | :24:10. | |
constituency. These are the pictures of her casting her vote in selling | :24:11. | :24:13. | |
their Reading. -- casting her vote near Reading. | :24:14. | :24:24. | |
Going in and coming out. It means Theresa May has voted. A little | :24:25. | :24:33. | |
earlier, this was the Scotland First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, casting | :24:34. | :24:38. | |
her vote in Glasgow. We will show a picture of her going in and then | :24:39. | :24:39. | |
coming out. You can vote until 10pm tonight. | :24:40. | :25:17. | |
General election coverage on BBC One starts at five to ten. We will get | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
the exit poll at ten o'clock will be published across all the | :25:23. | :25:25. | |
broadcasters at ten o'clock, it usually gives you a very good | :25:26. | :25:28. | |
indication of the outcome of the election, but results released at | :25:29. | :25:32. | |
coming in about midnight, although Sunderland like to do it at about | :25:33. | :25:35. | |
11. Don't always manage it but they do their best. Back to those scam | :25:36. | :25:40. | |
baiters, the people challenging the scammers around the world. | :25:41. | :25:42. | |
Let's talk to Brian Lord, he has his own cyber security company. | :25:43. | :25:45. | |
And Tony Neate, who's from advice service Get Safe Online. | :25:46. | :25:47. | |
Good morning to you both. Brian Lord, there are a small minority of | :25:48. | :25:55. | |
scam baiters and a huge number of scammers around the world. They will | :25:56. | :26:00. | |
never really disrupt more than a handful, are they? No, they are not. | :26:01. | :26:04. | |
They believe they are doing the right thing, as long as they stay on | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
the right side of the law, it just plays a tiny little part in | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
addressing what is a wider issue. And as long as they make the | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
information available to those organisations who can promulgate | :26:19. | :26:20. | |
that information as part of a wider awareness campaign, the better. | :26:21. | :26:23. | |
Because the key thing about this, the way that you stop this kind of | :26:24. | :26:31. | |
thing is awareness. It is confidence trekking in the 20% true, that is | :26:32. | :26:34. | |
all. It is simply educating people how not to fall for it. Tony Neate, | :26:35. | :26:39. | |
how do you think about what the baiters are doing? It is good sport. | :26:40. | :26:45. | |
Something that has been around 20 years now. It used to be called for | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
19 fraud, which was the penal code in West Africa but I would give a | :26:51. | :26:53. | |
little bit of caution. You have to remember that these are disrupting | :26:54. | :26:58. | |
criminals, serious and organised crime and there is a risk in | :26:59. | :27:02. | |
relation to it. Anyone who thinks this is good sport, I will have a | :27:03. | :27:06. | |
go, you have to remember to protect yourselves, there are IP addresses | :27:07. | :27:09. | |
we have to make sure we don't display, and remember a lot of these | :27:10. | :27:14. | |
people have been threatened with violence, even with murder. I would | :27:15. | :27:19. | |
say yes, it is great if we can take one person off-line doing this, that | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
is great, but we have to be careful. But do you accept that these | :27:24. | :27:30. | |
networks of scambaiters arrived because they are surface treated | :27:31. | :27:36. | |
that more is not being done to catch the con artists? As the security | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
expert just said, there are literally hundreds of thousands of | :27:41. | :27:42. | |
criminals doing this type of thing. It is very difficult to catch them. | :27:43. | :27:48. | |
One of the reasons is they use a non-ISAs, these lists are available | :27:49. | :27:52. | |
on the Darkwa -- the Onana my is themselves. -- available on the dark | :27:53. | :28:07. | |
web. -- they anonymise themselves. I have been frustrated. I followed it | :28:08. | :28:11. | |
along, certainly on telephone calls I have had. The best thing to do is | :28:12. | :28:15. | |
to put the necessary precautions in so you don't get these e-mails in | :28:16. | :28:18. | |
the first place. I will ask you about that in the moment. Brian | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
Lord, some people watching will be thinking, how does anyone fall for | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
this rubbish, it is so obvious when you get an e-mail saying you have $1 | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
million on a lottery but can you send 500 quid first before you get | :28:31. | :28:33. | |
the million. But people do and they should not be ashamed or embarrassed | :28:34. | :28:37. | |
to speed up about it -- speak up about it because it to awareness of | :28:38. | :28:44. | |
others. That is a really good point. People react to things for a lot of | :28:45. | :28:50. | |
reasons, quite a lot based on their personal circumstances, how they are | :28:51. | :28:55. | |
feeling, a sense of four is confidence in the internet and | :28:56. | :28:58. | |
e-mail for people who don't understand that kind of thing. But | :28:59. | :29:04. | |
they become in barrister when it becomes a case but also once they | :29:05. | :29:09. | |
have made one or two payments, they are already into it, and the only | :29:10. | :29:14. | |
way out is to create this false confidence that it is actually real, | :29:15. | :29:17. | |
and they end up paying more and more. So yes, I think more people | :29:18. | :29:22. | |
fall foul of it than you would think and everyone should feel confident | :29:23. | :29:27. | |
about speaking out and saying, actually, yes, I did fall victim of | :29:28. | :29:32. | |
something similar, but the key thing is to still make the information | :29:33. | :29:35. | |
available to action fraud. Because although there is a huge amount of | :29:36. | :29:40. | |
frustration about how effective the UK police can operate | :29:41. | :29:43. | |
internationally, they do operate internationally, cross-border, and | :29:44. | :29:50. | |
the more information they have, actually, the more effective they | :29:51. | :29:54. | |
can make their limited capability. Tony Neate cameo advice to our | :29:55. | :29:58. | |
audience about how they can block getting these scam e-mails in the | :29:59. | :30:04. | |
first place? First of all make sure you have good security on your | :30:05. | :30:09. | |
computers and new mobile phones. Update the operating system, the | :30:10. | :30:12. | |
applications, make sure you have strong spam software on your machine | :30:13. | :30:18. | |
to stop that happening, go to the get safe online. All website to get | :30:19. | :30:23. | |
more automation. When something comes through and you think it might | :30:24. | :30:28. | |
be genuine, get someone else to have a look at it. What sounds too good | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
to be true probably is but getting someone else to look at it without | :30:33. | :30:35. | |
rose tinted glasses on and can save you a lot of money -- go to the | :30:36. | :30:40. | |
getsafeonline.org website. Thanks both of you, Tony Neate from | :30:41. | :30:45. | |
getsafeonline.org, and Brian Lord from a cyber security programme. | :30:46. | :30:46. | |
Time for the latest headlines. Polling stations are open | :30:47. | :30:53. | |
for millions of people to cast Police forces say there'll be | :30:54. | :30:55. | |
increased security in some areas following the recent terror attacks | :30:56. | :30:59. | |
in Manchester and London. Voting will go on until ten o'clock | :31:00. | :31:02. | |
tonight, with the first results And in the last half hour | :31:03. | :31:05. | |
party leaders have begun Seven weeks after calling | :31:06. | :31:11. | |
the general election, a polling station in her Maidenhead | :31:12. | :31:19. | |
constituency while the SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon went | :31:20. | :31:24. | |
to a ballot box in Glasgow. You can watch all the results coming | :31:25. | :31:29. | |
in throughout the night - The Election 2017 special will be | :31:30. | :31:31. | |
with David Dimbleby. That's on BBC One and the BBC News | :31:32. | :31:35. | |
channel from 9.55pm tonight. The former FBI director sacked | :31:36. | :31:41. | |
by Donald Trump will give evidence James Comey claims the US President | :31:42. | :31:44. | |
tried to influence his investigation into links between members | :31:45. | :31:48. | |
of the Trump team and Russia. The White House denies | :31:49. | :31:55. | |
the allegations. Three men have been arrested | :31:56. | :31:57. | |
on suspicion of terror offences after armed officers carried out | :31:58. | :32:00. | |
a series of raids in Two men aged 34 and 37 were arrested | :32:01. | :32:02. | |
at separate addresses in Newham and a 33-year-old man was arrested | :32:03. | :32:11. | |
in Waltham forest. Police say the arrests | :32:12. | :32:13. | |
are not connected to The Anglican Church in Scotland | :32:14. | :32:28. | |
could become the first in the UK to offer same-sex marriage. The move is | :32:29. | :32:35. | |
opposed by some traditional Anglicans. A diamond ring bought for | :32:36. | :32:42. | |
?10 at a car-boot sale has been sold for more than ?650,000 at auction in | :32:43. | :32:49. | |
London. The 26 carat cushion shaped diamond sold for almost double its | :32:50. | :32:55. | |
estimate. The owner bought the ring in the 1980s and was unaware of its | :32:56. | :33:00. | |
real value, wearing it everyday 30 years. | :33:01. | :33:03. | |
And that is a summary of the latest news. Back to you, Victoria. Now | :33:04. | :33:11. | |
here is the latest sport. Chelsea striker Diego Costa could be | :33:12. | :33:15. | |
on his way out of Stamford Bridge this summer despite helping the club | :33:16. | :33:18. | |
to last season's Premier League title, scoring 20 goals on the way. | :33:19. | :33:25. | |
Costa claims he was told in a text message that he is no longer in the | :33:26. | :33:27. | |
club's plans. The club is absolutely flying in | :33:28. | :33:40. | |
super rugby, so after winning their first game and losing yesterday, it | :33:41. | :33:45. | |
is a real challenge for the Lions. For the fourth year in a row, Andy | :33:46. | :33:49. | |
Murray is through to the semifinals of the French Open. He had to fight | :33:50. | :33:52. | |
for his place, coming from a set down against Kay Nishikori, and will | :33:53. | :33:58. | |
face Stan Wawrinka next in a repeat of last year's semifinal which | :33:59. | :34:04. | |
Murray won. And if you were worried about Sir Ben Ainslie's progress in | :34:05. | :34:07. | |
the America's Cup, the hasn't been any. The day's racing was called off | :34:08. | :34:13. | |
due to heavy winds in Bermuda. That is all the sport for now, we're back | :34:14. | :34:17. | |
with more just after ten o'clock. 19-year-old Lillian Constantine | :34:18. | :34:28. | |
was making her way home from an evening out, | :34:29. | :34:30. | |
when a man - Ashraf Miah - As she was being attacked, Lillian | :34:31. | :34:33. | |
managed to switch on her phone It led to his conviction | :34:34. | :34:37. | |
and last month he was jailed Lilian has waived her right | :34:38. | :34:46. | |
to anonymity to encourage victims of rape and serious sexual assault | :34:47. | :34:50. | |
to come forward and also - where they can - to use | :34:51. | :34:53. | |
modern technology to help In her first broadcast interview, | :34:54. | :34:55. | |
Lillian and her mother Karen spoke to the Today programme's Justin Webb | :34:56. | :34:59. | |
and described the moment As soon as the attacker put his hand | :35:00. | :35:10. | |
on me, I knew something was up, because when I'm out and it's late, | :35:11. | :35:15. | |
it is common for people to talk to you randomly, it is friendly chat, | :35:16. | :35:19. | |
sometimes they can be drunk, but as soon as he put his hand on me, I | :35:20. | :35:24. | |
knew that it was an invasion of my personal space, and that was when I | :35:25. | :35:30. | |
knew something was wrong. And did you think at first but he was going | :35:31. | :35:36. | |
to mug you? I did. I had no idea of what else was going to happen, but | :35:37. | :35:39. | |
initially I did think it was going to be a mugging. What went through | :35:40. | :35:44. | |
your mind when that happened? First of all I flipped the video recording | :35:45. | :35:49. | |
on my phone, and I turned the light on as well, because it was pitch | :35:50. | :35:54. | |
black where I was, and I thought, if he sees that I am recording, and I | :35:55. | :35:59. | |
screamed at him, I said, I am recording you, I thought it would | :36:00. | :36:02. | |
scare him off, and he wouldn't want to get caught, but he didn't care at | :36:03. | :36:08. | |
all. But your phone was on by then? Yes, it was on and the light, I was | :36:09. | :36:12. | |
trying my best to shine the light in his face, but he was using all of | :36:13. | :36:17. | |
his limbs to trip me up and get me onto the floor and pushed me down. | :36:18. | :36:20. | |
And he managed to do that because he was bigger than you? Yes. And how | :36:21. | :36:25. | |
long did the attack last? About two minutes, but it felt like a | :36:26. | :36:30. | |
lifetime. Can you remember what you were thinking as it was happening? I | :36:31. | :36:35. | |
think I was actually so shocked at the fact that I was screaming at | :36:36. | :36:39. | |
him, swearing at him, screaming for help, and I just thought, this must | :36:40. | :36:46. | |
be an absolute maniac, for someone... It was completely | :36:47. | :36:49. | |
barbaric. I am personally quite compassionate, and it is the | :36:50. | :36:53. | |
complete binary opposite of something that I would do or anyone | :36:54. | :36:59. | |
I know would do. How did it end? Did he just run off? I believe that some | :37:00. | :37:04. | |
people nearby heard me screaming, woke up and their lights went on, | :37:05. | :37:08. | |
and that scared him away. So he jumped off and left me there. I | :37:09. | :37:14. | |
didn't look back, I was just on a mission to get home, which was about | :37:15. | :37:18. | |
one minute and 40 seconds away. And when she got home, Karen, what state | :37:19. | :37:24. | |
did you find her in? She was in a dreadful state, she stumbled in | :37:25. | :37:27. | |
through the bedroom door, and as we woke up, we were in a deep sleep, | :37:28. | :37:30. | |
but we put the lights on, we could see she was incredibly distressed, | :37:31. | :37:37. | |
distraught. I could see immediately that something terrible had | :37:38. | :37:42. | |
happened. Her make-up, the crying, she was in coherent, clothes were | :37:43. | :37:47. | |
all over the place, and it was your worst nightmare coming true, | :37:48. | :37:50. | |
actually. Can you remember what you said to her? My instinct was to take | :37:51. | :37:56. | |
hold of her and to pull her close to me and set her down and try to get | :37:57. | :38:01. | |
her to breathe regularly. And I asked her if she had been attacked | :38:02. | :38:07. | |
and she said she had. I called for my husband to call the police | :38:08. | :38:10. | |
immediately. Did you realise immediately that it had been an | :38:11. | :38:16. | |
attempted rape? I felt, the state that she was in, that it could have | :38:17. | :38:20. | |
only been something so awful as that. And I asked her, and she was | :38:21. | :38:27. | |
incoherent, and soon she talked about the film that she had taken, | :38:28. | :38:31. | |
and when we viewed the film, it was absolutely crystal clear what a | :38:32. | :38:35. | |
vicious attack had taken place against her. And then, as a parent, | :38:36. | :38:40. | |
you must be torn between just wanting to hold her and comfort her | :38:41. | :38:45. | |
and actually also wanting to catch this person and to get hold of the | :38:46. | :38:51. | |
police. Our instinct was just our arms around her and sit and let her | :38:52. | :38:57. | |
sob and cry, and to try and get her to feel safe and secure in her own | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
home again. There was no conflict about that, and I suppose at the | :39:02. | :39:04. | |
same time, my husband was calling the police, so I was holding her and | :39:05. | :39:10. | |
he was speaking to the police. And when the police came, that also is a | :39:11. | :39:13. | |
pretty horrible process that you then have to go through? It wasn't | :39:14. | :39:18. | |
pleasant. I had to bag up the clothes I was wearing, hand them | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
over. It was very unnatural, the whole thing, and having to explain | :39:24. | :39:26. | |
what had happened again and again and again to a multitude of | :39:27. | :39:30. | |
different people at different times. But initially it was pretty | :39:31. | :39:34. | |
horrible. And they put you on medication as well? They put me on | :39:35. | :39:42. | |
HIV preventing medication, I was so sick from it and I had to have | :39:43. | :39:46. | |
weekly blood tests to check if my liver was still functioning because | :39:47. | :39:50. | |
of the potency of these tablets. And then because of your quick thinking | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
in filming this attack, the police found the man. They found DNA on me | :39:56. | :40:01. | |
but they couldn't find a match on the system, and they went through | :40:02. | :40:04. | |
the film frame by frame, got a clear image of his face which allowed them | :40:05. | :40:08. | |
to tracking down and catch him. So just to be clear, it may well be | :40:09. | :40:12. | |
that without that film, he would still be walking around free? I | :40:13. | :40:16. | |
believe so. And is that part of the reason at least why you have decided | :40:17. | :40:21. | |
to waive your right to anonymity and say what you have been saying to us? | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
A lot of young people get a bit of grief from being on their phones all | :40:27. | :40:29. | |
the time, but when you think about it, we're walking around with small | :40:30. | :40:33. | |
devices that could do so much good. Extraordinary. Lillian Constantine | :40:34. | :40:38. | |
and her mother Karen talking to Justin Webb from Radio 4's Today | :40:39. | :40:48. | |
programme. Encouraging other people who are victims of sexual assault to | :40:49. | :40:50. | |
come forward. Still to come: There are calls | :40:51. | :40:54. | |
for festivals to offer free testing of illegal drugs | :40:55. | :40:57. | |
to check their contents and potency - we'll be getting reaction from one | :40:58. | :40:59. | |
mother whose son was a heroin addict If you use illegal drugs or go to | :41:00. | :41:06. | |
festivals, is this something you would welcome, or do you think it | :41:07. | :41:09. | |
normalises illegal drug-taking? We're talking about that in the next | :41:10. | :41:13. | |
15 minutes, so your own personal experiences are pertinent to that | :41:14. | :41:16. | |
conversation. This week has seen a growing | :41:17. | :41:20. | |
diplomatic crisis in the Middle East as Saudi Arabia, | :41:21. | :41:22. | |
the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Egypt and Yemen announced | :41:23. | :41:25. | |
they were to cut diplomatic ties with Qatar and accused them | :41:26. | :41:27. | |
of supporting terrorism. So why is a crisis so far from our | :41:28. | :41:29. | |
borders important to the UK? In a moment, we are going to talk to | :41:30. | :43:19. | |
an ambassador, the UAE's top diplomat to Russia, about white UAE | :43:20. | :43:23. | |
amongst others is ostracising Qatar in the way it is. We are expecting | :43:24. | :43:28. | |
the leader of the Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn, to vote in Islington | :43:29. | :43:34. | |
North. Not yet, obviously, that is why there is a picture of the gate. | :43:35. | :43:39. | |
So we will show you that as soon Mr Corbyn arrives. OK, let's talk to | :43:40. | :43:51. | |
Ambassador Omar. Can you explain to our audience what exactly you are | :43:52. | :43:59. | |
accusing Qatar of? Basically, we have had ongoing discussions for | :44:00. | :44:04. | |
years about their promotion of extremist rhetoric through primarily | :44:05. | :44:09. | |
there television station al-Jazeera. This has become common knowledge | :44:10. | :44:14. | |
outside of the Arab world as well. Their support of the Muslim | :44:15. | :44:18. | |
Brotherhood, which we regard as a terrorist organisation, and that we | :44:19. | :44:23. | |
see as being the integrator for all kinds of violent extremists in the | :44:24. | :44:28. | |
Arab world. And we have an issue with the fact that they want to be | :44:29. | :44:32. | |
part of the golf team, the Gulf Arab team, yet they are undermining us | :44:33. | :44:37. | |
from within by funding radical organisations within our countries. | :44:38. | :44:41. | |
And you have evidence for that funding that you say is happening? | :44:42. | :44:48. | |
Just a very recent example is Qatari hostages in Iraq, and the Qatari | :44:49. | :44:56. | |
government paid Al-Qaeda $300 million and $700 million to various | :44:57. | :45:00. | |
groups. This is very straightforward. What about other | :45:01. | :45:07. | |
countries in your golf club, if you like, if I can put it like that, who | :45:08. | :45:12. | |
are accused of funding extremism, for example Saudi Arabia? This is an | :45:13. | :45:17. | |
important question, you are right, this is something that has been | :45:18. | :45:21. | |
talked about, and there are rumours. There are two different ways in | :45:22. | :45:24. | |
which extremism is funded as far as we can tell in the Arab world. You | :45:25. | :45:29. | |
have private individuals who are independently wealthy, and they pass | :45:30. | :45:34. | |
cash to extremists, and that is the government threw back of the region | :45:35. | :45:37. | |
are working with each other to tackle, so we are working with | :45:38. | :45:43. | |
Unisys... I'm so sorry, we're just going to pause for a moment to bring | :45:44. | :45:47. | |
our audience pictures of Jeremy Corbyn arriving to vote in north | :45:48. | :45:48. | |
London. Theresa May has already voted off | :45:49. | :46:00. | |
the Conservatives. Nicola Sturgeon of the SNP has cast her vote | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
already. Now it is the turn of the leader of the Labour Party. That | :46:05. | :46:17. | |
will do a thing for the moment. Let's continue our commerce ocean | :46:18. | :46:21. | |
with the ambassador, the UAE's top diplomat to Russia. We have been | :46:22. | :46:25. | |
talking about accusations of Saudi Arabia's links the funding of | :46:26. | :46:29. | |
extremism, and why for example you from the UAE haven't cut them off. | :46:30. | :46:34. | |
There are two different kinds of funding that takes place, a funding | :46:35. | :46:37. | |
that we know about and we are monitoring as well as possible, | :46:38. | :46:43. | |
funding by private individuals, and this is people who are independently | :46:44. | :46:46. | |
wealthy and have some kind of ideological agenda and they will be | :46:47. | :46:50. | |
passing cash to extremists in the area perhaps further abroad. The | :46:51. | :46:58. | |
rich Saudi businessmen for example? Someone with money. This is | :46:59. | :47:01. | |
something that has happened in the past, we know about it, and | :47:02. | :47:08. | |
prosecuted. There is legislation being implemented to prevent this | :47:09. | :47:11. | |
part of the reason Trump came to the reason -- to the region was to | :47:12. | :47:17. | |
monitor of these -- set up a centre to monitor all of these transactions | :47:18. | :47:21. | |
to identify who is passing money to extremists. Rather than mess | :47:22. | :47:31. | |
happening in an organic manner which can be brought back, this is a | :47:32. | :47:35. | |
government that looks to find extremists in the region from North | :47:36. | :47:38. | |
Africa all the way to Bangladesh. Actually identifies them and then | :47:39. | :47:43. | |
begins to fund them, in order to achieve their own political foreign | :47:44. | :47:47. | |
policy goals. This is something that has to be tackled. What is the | :47:48. | :47:55. | |
motivation for the state of Qatar to be funding extremists? That is the | :47:56. | :47:59. | |
question we have been putting to them for a very long time. It is a | :48:00. | :48:06. | |
question we have put them for a long time. If we find that our, they will | :48:07. | :48:14. | |
become the paymasters of the ideological war within the Middle | :48:15. | :48:18. | |
East. We believe we have come to the end of the line with the Qataris | :48:19. | :48:21. | |
because they are undermining the regional stability of countries in | :48:22. | :48:26. | |
the Arab world. What they are doing is they are funding for example | :48:27. | :48:32. | |
militias and they are tearing these company 's apart. We are saying we | :48:33. | :48:42. | |
can't take this any longer. Qatar says this is absolutely not true. I | :48:43. | :48:46. | |
want to ask you why the UAE yesterday warned its own citizens | :48:47. | :48:49. | |
that if they showed any Seb with Qatar publicly they could face -- | :48:50. | :48:55. | |
showed any sympathy with Qatar publicly they could face up to 15 | :48:56. | :48:59. | |
years in jail. This is not law committed the expression of one | :49:00. | :49:04. | |
individual, admittedly within the security services. He is focusing on | :49:05. | :49:09. | |
specific groups of provocateurs within the emirate, who we know | :49:10. | :49:13. | |
we'll be trying to provoke more tension between our countries. It is | :49:14. | :49:17. | |
very interesting also. Not all of the Gulf states have taken this | :49:18. | :49:22. | |
stand against Qatar. Reason that is the case, even though we agreed, we | :49:23. | :49:29. | |
still need to leave a door open. We like dialogue, absolutely. The ruler | :49:30. | :49:33. | |
of cool weight is engaged in dialogue in mediation, so to have | :49:34. | :49:38. | |
provocateurs coming and now muddy the waters even further, there is | :49:39. | :49:41. | |
going to be a problem. Just to give you an example, the Turkish decision | :49:42. | :49:47. | |
to send troops to Qatar really doesn't help the situation | :49:48. | :49:50. | |
whatsoever. Briefly, what would constitute showing sympathy, what | :49:51. | :49:53. | |
summary have to do to be jailed for 15 years? It would require | :49:54. | :50:00. | |
denouncing the Emirates and perhaps saying that the Qataris are God's | :50:01. | :50:05. | |
gift to the world, and I doubt that anyone... You think it is right to | :50:06. | :50:10. | |
go to 15 years jail the saying that? I doubt very much that would happen. | :50:11. | :50:16. | |
You can't absolutely rule it out. I can say very clearly that we have a | :50:17. | :50:22. | |
system in place that would satisfy very stringent standards. I don't | :50:23. | :50:24. | |
think anyone will go to jail for that. | :50:25. | :50:32. | |
Music festivals are being encouraged to provide drug safety tests | :50:33. | :50:35. | |
so festival-goers can find out the content and strength | :50:36. | :50:38. | |
of what illegal drugs they're about to take. | :50:39. | :50:41. | |
The Royal Society for Public Health, an independent charity dedicated it | :50:42. | :50:43. | |
says to the 'improvement of the public's health | :50:44. | :50:45. | |
and wellbeing', claims this will help minimise the risks | :50:46. | :50:47. | |
A pilot last year found one in five people ditching their drugs | :50:48. | :50:58. | |
But critics say drugs shouldn't be part of the festival | :50:59. | :51:02. | |
culture to begin with, and such tests could | :51:03. | :51:04. | |
Lets talk to Shirley Cramer, chief executive of the Royal Society | :51:05. | :51:13. | |
for Public Health, Fiona Measham, director of The Loop, providing | :51:14. | :51:15. | |
the drug safety testing facilities, and Elizabeth Burton-Philips, | :51:16. | :51:17. | |
who set up the charity DrugFAM in memory of her son | :51:18. | :51:20. | |
Welcome all of you, hello. Shirley Cramer, good morning to you. Tell us | :51:21. | :51:29. | |
why you are encouraging festivals to provide drug testing facilities? The | :51:30. | :51:35. | |
primary reason is to have a harm reduction plan, because in 2010 we | :51:36. | :51:43. | |
had ten young people die of drug illness or drug-related activity, | :51:44. | :51:47. | |
and that was with ecstasy. And in 2015, we had 57. So we have seen | :51:48. | :51:55. | |
this rapid growth in deaths related to ecstasy, which is the most | :51:56. | :51:58. | |
prevalent drug at festivals and clubs. The people taking the drugs | :51:59. | :52:05. | |
are 16 to 24-year-olds, mostly casual drug users. And your argument | :52:06. | :52:09. | |
is if you knew exactly what was in it, you wouldn't take it? So the | :52:10. | :52:13. | |
strength and content of the drug is not known. When they buy the drug. | :52:14. | :52:18. | |
And what we are trying to do, in a pragmatic way, is awareness and | :52:19. | :52:24. | |
education of these casual drug users to say, actually, they are not that | :52:25. | :52:29. | |
safe. Because in the 1990s, MDMA, which is in ecstasy, would have been | :52:30. | :52:39. | |
around 50 mg or 80 mg of MDMA. It is now about 125 mg on average, so | :52:40. | :52:43. | |
there is more of that active substance. In some of it they have | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
found really toxic substances as well. But in the pilot, if you | :52:48. | :52:52. | |
people decided not to take the drugs but most did not ditch the drugs. | :52:53. | :52:58. | |
But they did get a good intervention from someone who knows about | :52:59. | :53:04. | |
substance misuse. And achieved what? So they are told for example by | :53:05. | :53:08. | |
Kante calf the drug or a quarter of the drug, and they can take them a | :53:09. | :53:12. | |
two or three hour intervals. So I think we need to do more to educate | :53:13. | :53:17. | |
festivalgoers. This is the season for it. We need to explain there is | :53:18. | :53:23. | |
a danger here. Elizabeth, do you think festivalgoers taking illegal | :53:24. | :53:26. | |
drugs don't know there is a danger or they don't think about it? I | :53:27. | :53:29. | |
think it is the mindset of that group of people who have begun to | :53:30. | :53:37. | |
see this as the norm. And awareness is the greatest agent for change. I | :53:38. | :53:45. | |
can understand the logical thinking and the process behind here, but | :53:46. | :53:52. | |
also there is if you like almost a hidden message that it is acceptable | :53:53. | :53:56. | |
to go and get bladdered, get off your face, in particular using | :53:57. | :54:03. | |
ecstasy, MDMA. One of the things I feel quite strongly about, | :54:04. | :54:05. | |
particularly working as a charity with the families whose lives are | :54:06. | :54:10. | |
completely blown apart by these kind of experiences is that perhaps one | :54:11. | :54:14. | |
of the things that could be considered at festivals is having | :54:15. | :54:17. | |
the screens with those who have passed as a result of using drugs at | :54:18. | :54:22. | |
this festivals, going back to the days of Leah Betts, showing images. | :54:23. | :54:29. | |
Fiona Measham, director of the loop, you are providing the drug safety | :54:30. | :54:35. | |
facilities. Elizabeth raises a pertinent point, it is normalising | :54:36. | :54:41. | |
illegal drug-taking. In fact, drug use will happen anyway and this is a | :54:42. | :54:46. | |
pragmatic harm reduction response in relation to that. One of the things | :54:47. | :54:50. | |
we found, to go back to the point of one in five disposing of their | :54:51. | :54:53. | |
drugs, is that also other people were coming to us after they had | :54:54. | :54:57. | |
taken the drugs, and they had had a bad experience they wanted find out | :54:58. | :55:03. | |
what had caused it. We found that was a valuable educational tool, if | :55:04. | :55:06. | |
you like. The forensic tests could then be linked to a harm reduction. | :55:07. | :55:13. | |
So then people could respond appropriately. But it was | :55:14. | :55:16. | |
interesting people were engaging productively and wanted to know | :55:17. | :55:19. | |
after they had consumed the drugs what was in the drugs. People were | :55:20. | :55:22. | |
not necessarily coming to us before they were planning to take the | :55:23. | :55:29. | |
drugs. Jack has tweeted to say I don't do drugs but I see the effects | :55:30. | :55:32. | |
the state -- the stations have, they save lives. If you can't stop them, | :55:33. | :55:37. | |
save them. Lena tweets that you could not possibly normalise drug | :55:38. | :55:42. | |
taking in festivals any more than it normally is -- already is, | :55:43. | :55:46. | |
Elizabeth, how do you respond to that? I think all the time we are | :55:47. | :55:50. | |
trying to reach the mindset of society, and the mindset of the | :55:51. | :55:54. | |
clubbers and the festivalgoers. To help them to understand the fallout | :55:55. | :56:01. | |
that can happen. You cannot guarantee what you put into your | :56:02. | :56:04. | |
body when it is an illegal drug is not going to have some kind of | :56:05. | :56:07. | |
reaction on new anyway, even when it has been tested. And so I think | :56:08. | :56:13. | |
raising levels of awareness is critical here, absolutely critical. | :56:14. | :56:17. | |
This e-mail says I have been attending festivals since the 80s, I | :56:18. | :56:22. | |
now work at several events. I have a teenage daughter who accompanies me, | :56:23. | :56:26. | |
she doesn't use drugs. Testing of drugs at event has been commonplace | :56:27. | :56:29. | |
in countries like Holland for many years was that with all the new | :56:30. | :56:32. | |
designer drugs available it has become impossible to know how | :56:33. | :56:35. | |
harmful they could be. Teenagers will experiment with drugs, always | :56:36. | :56:41. | |
have, surely testing them can only make our children saved -- safer. In | :56:42. | :56:47. | |
fact, that sentiment is what we heard from 1300 festivalgoers. We | :56:48. | :56:51. | |
did a survey at the Royal Society for Public health and we asked | :56:52. | :56:54. | |
festivalgoers do you think this would be really useful service for | :56:55. | :56:58. | |
you, and 95% said yes, it would indeed. But that is kind of no | :56:59. | :57:05. | |
surprise, is it? I am pleased to hear it, because people think it | :57:06. | :57:08. | |
could be stigmatising, they might not have used it but that isn't the | :57:09. | :57:12. | |
answer we are hearing. So I think it is a very positive thing, that they | :57:13. | :57:20. | |
want to be part of it. Elizabeth, you are trying to raise awareness of | :57:21. | :57:23. | |
the harm that can be done when you take illegal drugs and the ripple | :57:24. | :57:27. | |
effect of how it destroys families, friends, networks. When you are 19, | :57:28. | :57:34. | |
when you are 25, you think you are invincible, don't you? And you think | :57:35. | :57:39. | |
this won't be me because I am young, I am invincible. That is right and | :57:40. | :57:46. | |
sadly it is connecting the actions and the consequences, helping the | :57:47. | :57:51. | |
young people to understand that decision to take drugs can change | :57:52. | :57:54. | |
their lives, their families lives forever. Part of the work we do is | :57:55. | :57:59. | |
to visit the bereaved families and when you listen to family members | :58:00. | :58:04. | |
who have got a son or daughter in the mid-20s, 30s, and they have gone | :58:05. | :58:09. | |
out and taken a tablet and they are dead, the devastation. What is | :58:10. | :58:16. | |
inside those strokes, illegal, even paracetamol can kill. OK. Carol says | :58:17. | :58:23. | |
if the drugs were legally available, the quality would be controlled. | :58:24. | :58:26. | |
Simple. And think of the tax revenues. Conor tweets this commute | :58:27. | :58:32. | |
shouldn't be taking illegal drugs anyway and testing makes drug-taking | :58:33. | :58:35. | |
normal. Thank you very much, all of you for coming on the programme. | :58:36. | :58:43. | |
Coming up to ten o'clock. We will bring you the latest news and sport | :58:44. | :58:46. | |
in a moment before love that, the latest weather. Some rain in the | :58:47. | :58:52. | |
forecast for many of that, it has already been falling overnight | :58:53. | :58:55. | |
across parts of Wales, south-west England, happy in places and through | :58:56. | :58:58. | |
the rest are they able slowly push its way northwards. Not everyone | :58:59. | :59:03. | |
seeing the rain. Some parts of central and eastern England staying | :59:04. | :59:05. | |
largely dry but the rain becoming quite persistent for a time across | :59:06. | :59:08. | |
parts of Northern Ireland and arriving in the Scotland later in | :59:09. | :59:12. | |
the day. A brisk south-westerly wind across the rest of the country, | :59:13. | :59:16. | |
pushing a few sharp showers across this afternoon, 19 is the high end | :59:17. | :59:19. | |
the sunshine, 15 or 16 underneath the rain. The rain eventually clears | :59:20. | :59:25. | |
from Northern Ireland, still pushing northwards through Scotland, behind | :59:26. | :59:28. | |
it if you showers, especially across western areas but a mild night the | :59:29. | :59:35. | |
most. For tomorrow, a showery day. The rain eventually clearing from | :59:36. | :59:39. | |
northern Scotland. Behind its showers, shop at times across | :59:40. | :59:42. | |
western areas, as they push eastwards they will weaken and in | :59:43. | :59:46. | |
many places they could be largely dry for central and eastern England. | :59:47. | :59:50. | |
Here the best of the temperature is 21 or 22 Celsius. Hello, good | :59:51. | :59:57. | |
morning, it is ten o'clock it is their stay, iambic Tory adoption. | :59:58. | :00:07. | |
Theresa May, Jeremy Corbyn and Nicola Sturgeon have already cast | :00:08. | :00:11. | |
their votes, and the other party leaders will be doing so shortly. | :00:12. | :00:22. | |
That was an image of the sacked FBI director James Comey. | :00:23. | :00:34. | |
on television that the President did ask him to drop an investigation | :00:35. | :00:38. | |
into links between his former national security | :00:39. | :00:40. | |
We'll get reaction from the US in just a moment. | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
12 staff at two private care homes in North Devon have been found | :00:44. | :00:46. | |
guilty of abusing adults with learning difficulties. One of them | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
was Ben. His family tell us how he was treated. He told us he used to | :00:52. | :00:58. | |
be dragged into the quiet room and he was told to mind the rats or | :00:59. | :01:04. | |
spiders don't eat you. He would be naked, he said he was hungry, and it | :01:05. | :01:09. | |
was just horrendous. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom | :01:10. | :01:16. | |
with a summary of today's news. Polling stations are open | :01:17. | :01:19. | |
for millions of people to cast Police forces say there'll be | :01:20. | :01:25. | |
increased security in some areas following the recent terror attacks | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
in Manchester and London. Voting will go on until ten o'clock | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
tonight, with the first results And in the last hour, party leaders | :01:33. | :01:44. | |
have begun casting their votes. Seven weeks after calling the | :01:45. | :01:47. | |
general election, Theresa May visited a polling station in her | :01:48. | :01:51. | |
Maidenhead constituency, while Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn went to | :01:52. | :01:52. | |
a ballot box in North London. And a reminder that you can watch | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
all the results coming The Election 2017 special will be | :01:57. | :01:59. | |
with David Dimbleby. That's on BBC One and the BBC News | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
channel from 9.55pm tonight. The former FBI director sacked | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
by Donald Trump will give evidence James Comey claims the US President | :02:09. | :02:10. | |
tried to influence his investigation into links between members | :02:11. | :02:15. | |
of the Trump team and Russia. The White House denies | :02:16. | :02:17. | |
the allegations. Three men have been arrested | :02:18. | :02:25. | |
on suspicion of terror offences after armed officers carried out | :02:26. | :02:27. | |
a series of raids in Two men aged 34 and 37 were arrested | :02:28. | :02:30. | |
at separate addresses in Newham and a 33-year-old man was arrested | :02:31. | :02:36. | |
in Waltham Forest. Police say the arrests | :02:37. | :02:38. | |
are not connected to The Anglican Church in Scotland | :02:39. | :02:49. | |
could be the first in the UK to allow same-sex marriage is. A vote | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
by the Scottish Episcopal Church this afternoon will determine if | :02:54. | :02:56. | |
their definition of marriage should be altered to afford gay couples the | :02:57. | :03:00. | |
same rights to marry. The move is opposed by some traditional | :03:01. | :03:01. | |
Anglicans. A diamond ring bought for ?10 | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
at a car-boot sale has been sold for more than ?650,000 | :03:06. | :03:08. | |
at auction in London. The 26-carat cushion-shaped diamond | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
sold for almost double its estimate. The owner bought the ring | :03:14. | :03:15. | |
in the 1980s and was unaware of its real value, wearing it every | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
day for thirty years. And that's a summary of the latest | :03:20. | :03:27. | |
BBC News. More from me at 10:30am. Thank you for your fabulous photos | :03:28. | :03:42. | |
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his manager Antonio Conte told him in a text message that he is not | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
part of his plans at the club. Diego Costa spoke to supporters last night | :05:16. | :05:21. | |
after a game for Spain. He says he is still a Chelsea player but they | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
don't want him. He helped them to the Premier League title last season | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
scoring 28 goals. England will be without Wayne Rooney | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
for the World Cup qualifier against Scotland this weekend, and the | :05:36. | :05:38. | |
Premier League's top scorer last season, Harry Kane, thinks he is | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
stepped up to take up the armband despite being just 23. Any player | :05:43. | :05:48. | |
growing up as a footballer dreams of being England captain one day, and I | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
am no different, but it is down to Gareth, he is the manager. We have a | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
lot of leaders in this team, and that is important, whoever is | :05:58. | :06:03. | |
captain is captain, but there are plenty of other leaders that contort | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
and help each other out on the pitch. There is a rare event in | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
English football today, a national side stands just 90 minutes from a | :06:12. | :06:17. | |
World Cup final. England play Italy at the under 20 World Cup in South | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
Korea, and despite missing some of their best talent, their former | :06:22. | :06:24. | |
manager believes they have excelled. The fact that we can send an England | :06:25. | :06:30. | |
team there that is without Tammy Abraham is, Izzy Brown, Pat Roberts, | :06:31. | :06:37. | |
who were regulars in that team, and go and perform as well as what they | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
have, and are in the top four and a chance of getting to a final and | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
winning it, I think is a remarkable achievement. Alun Wyn-Jones has been | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
named captain of the British and Irish Lions for Saturday's match | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
against the Crusaders as Warren Gatland attempts to get their tour | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
of New Zealand back on track. The Wales skipper will lead another | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
completely new starting line-up following their defeat to Auckland | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
blues yesterday. Jonathan Davies, Conor Murray, George North and Sean | :07:07. | :07:09. | |
O'Brien will all make their first appearances of the tour. | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
Andy Murray used his frustration to good effect to reach the semifinals | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
of the French Open, where he will play Stan Wawrinka. He lost the | :07:18. | :07:24. | |
first set against Kei Nishikori. He missed his ball toss, and the umpire | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
said he was playing too slowly, giving the point to Nishikori. There | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
was an exchange of views, but Murray went on to win the match in four | :07:34. | :07:38. | |
sets. For a couple of points after that I was, I was fired up a cos I | :07:39. | :07:46. | |
was frustrated at that moment. It felt to me like it was a strange | :07:47. | :07:49. | |
decision. I have never seen someone get a warning after they have missed | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
the ball toss. I have never seen that. After the defending champion | :07:55. | :08:00. | |
Novak Djokovic was knocked out, the seven time grand slam winner John | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
McEnroe suggested he had lost his desire. Djokovic was beaten in | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
straight sets by Dominic Thiem. He lost the third set to love, the | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
first time that has happened to Djokovic in a grand slam for 12 | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
years. And that is also now. We are back with more later on. | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
A couple of e-mails on drug facilities at festivals. Brent and | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
David Cross about this. They say, don't make it easier for people to | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
take drugs. Everyone should know street drugs are laced with poisons. | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
Besides, the poisonous drug itself. The phrase teenagers will experiment | :08:35. | :08:39. | |
is Tosh, millions have more sense than to do this. And David says, | :08:40. | :08:45. | |
this is an appalling move, to normalise drug-taking, why not have | :08:46. | :08:48. | |
sniffer dogs to detect drugs. If you have no drugs, you get in. If you | :08:49. | :08:55. | |
have drugs, you face prosecution and a criminal record to go with your | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
university degree. Thank you for those, do keep them coming in. s | :09:00. | :09:09. | |
of the FBI James Comey says he was told by President Trump | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
in meetings shortly before he was sacked. | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
He'll be testifying before Congress today and last night his opening | :09:18. | :09:19. | |
In it he suggests the President asked him to drop an inquiry | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
into Mike Flynn, the National Security Adviser who was fired | :09:24. | :09:25. | |
for misrepresenting his meetings with the Russian Ambassador. | :09:26. | :09:28. | |
Some people are saying this will be bad news for the White House. | :09:29. | :09:31. | |
FBI director James Comey has been fired. | :09:32. | :09:38. | |
Last month President Trump sacked the director of the FBI. | :09:39. | :09:42. | |
James, he's become more famous than me. | :09:43. | :09:48. | |
Later today that man James Comey will be asked questions on live TV | :09:49. | :09:51. | |
Capitol Hill Congress back to work tonight after a break... | :09:52. | :09:58. | |
Here are three questions he's bound to be asked | :09:59. | :10:00. | |
President Trump sacked the FBI director last month. | :10:01. | :10:11. | |
At the time he said he was angry at the way an investigation | :10:12. | :10:14. | |
into his opponent in last year's election Hillary | :10:15. | :10:16. | |
Because he wasn't doing a good job, very simply. | :10:17. | :10:20. | |
Others think he was really fired because the FBI | :10:21. | :10:26. | |
was looking into possible links between the current | :10:27. | :10:28. | |
I was going to fire Comey, my decision... | :10:29. | :10:32. | |
You had made the decision before they came... | :10:33. | :10:34. | |
What the former director thinks will be key here, | :10:35. | :10:42. | |
does he suspect there was a cover-up, a political | :10:43. | :10:44. | |
This is the biggest question hanging over Washington these days. | :10:45. | :10:52. | |
Some suspect Russia tried to influence last year's | :10:53. | :10:54. | |
presidential election by hacking e-mails and even paying staff | :10:55. | :10:57. | |
These are all just allegations, but is there anything more | :10:58. | :11:06. | |
concrete linking Russia with Trump's top team? | :11:07. | :11:08. | |
Director Comey was very unpopular with most people. | :11:09. | :11:14. | |
This is the one single question that could cause most | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
Did Donald Trump ask the then director of the FBI | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
to go easy on this man, Michael Flynn, who was then his | :11:24. | :11:26. | |
At the time, the FBI was looking into his links with Russia. | :11:27. | :11:38. | |
The New York Times has reported that President Trump asked | :11:39. | :11:41. | |
James Comey to let this go, something the White | :11:42. | :11:43. | |
If it's true though and Comey can prove it, it could be seen | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
as obstruction of justice, a criminal offence and that | :11:49. | :11:50. | |
could be very damaging indeed for the President. | :11:51. | :11:57. | |
Lets talk to Professor Inderjeet Parmar from City University, | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
and in Washington Anneke Green who writes for Real Clear Politics, | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
and was a speech writer for President George W Bush | :12:06. | :12:07. | |
and Mara Rudman, former National Security Advisor | :12:08. | :12:09. | |
welcome, all of you. What do you take from James Comey's opening | :12:10. | :12:22. | |
statement? It suggests that the drama we have been witnessing for | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
several months is going to continue. It doesn't appear that anything much | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
has changed in the story he has been telling about his interactions with | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
President Trump, and it looks as if that isn't going to be any in | :12:34. | :12:41. | |
between -- independent evidence. So I suspect this hearing will not give | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
us very much which is new. It will mean a continuation of this drama | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
further forward. The key issue is that there has always been missing | :12:52. | :12:57. | |
any kind of smoking gun about actual collusion of Russia with the Trump | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
campaign, and actual evidence of anything of that type actually | :13:02. | :13:05. | |
happening. So despite all the hearings and people who have given | :13:06. | :13:08. | |
testimony including the statement that James Comey made yesterday, it | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
doesn't appear that there is going to be any kind of fall stop today, | :13:13. | :13:32. | |
it is going to be perhaps a comma. How accurate weather notes made at | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
the time, by James Comey, we don't know that, do we? One thing that is | :13:37. | :13:43. | |
interesting, is that as a member of the FBI, the notes and just actions | :13:44. | :13:46. | |
of interviews has a greater red ability in court. Not that he | :13:47. | :13:52. | |
thought he was going to be testifying in a court when he made | :13:53. | :13:55. | |
these notes, but it does speak to a habit and an assumption that he had | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
that he would at some point need to remember each one of these meetings, | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
and these notes that he made, it was a little more than that. They have | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
been described as memos, and they need to be released. Do you agree | :14:09. | :14:13. | |
with that, they need to be released? I was nodding my head, not too much | :14:14. | :14:18. | |
that they need to be released, but I think it is a very good point about | :14:19. | :14:26. | |
the legal probity. These memos that James Comey made, and the fact that | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
he felt it was important enough that he makes these memos and make them | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
in a virtually real-time. He made this point in his written testimony | :14:36. | :14:39. | |
which has been released a day before he was testifying that even from the | :14:40. | :14:47. | |
very first meeting he had with then President-elect Trump, he was so | :14:48. | :14:54. | |
seized by that meeting that he came out and immediately started drafting | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
a memo in the van, the FBI van, after he left the meeting. That had | :14:59. | :15:03. | |
not been his practice in his previous meetings, he had two with | :15:04. | :15:11. | |
President Obama over his 40 years service, but he had nine meetings in | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
four months with President Trump, and he made these real-time demo | :15:17. | :15:18. | |
recordings of everything that happened in those meetings. And can | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
you explain for those who want to learn more why if Donald Trump asked | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
his FBI director James Comey to go easy on Mike Flynn, former national | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
Security adviser at the time that the FBI was looking at my clinic is | :15:34. | :15:36. | |
linked to the Russians, why that would be so terrible? It would be an | :15:37. | :15:43. | |
attempt to obstruct an ongoing investigation. The role of the FBI | :15:44. | :15:48. | |
is to investigate any kinds of misdemeanour or misconduct, so a | :15:49. | :15:51. | |
president asking a director to drop an investigation or to budget on | :15:52. | :15:55. | |
hold or anything like that could be seen as an obstruction of justice. | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
It could be seen as an attempt to prevent an investigation into | :16:01. | :16:03. | |
something where perhaps the investigation could lead to a | :16:04. | :16:06. | |
smoking gun which could implicate the presidency, or the campaign or | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
whatever, and thereby derail it. And possibly then lead to impeachment | :16:12. | :16:22. | |
hearings. Anneka green, how damaging is this for the president? It could | :16:23. | :16:30. | |
put into headlines the issue of Russian implication. There has not | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
been a smoking gun, so it is a pesky story that people are pursuing that | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
will possibly distract from what he is trying to accomplish for the | :16:40. | :16:43. | |
nation. I would say, though, it is not unusual for presidents to have | :16:44. | :16:49. | |
an easy relationship with the FBI. They are very fierce about their | :16:50. | :16:52. | |
independence, which was set up under J Edgar Hoover, who was through many | :16:53. | :16:57. | |
presidents the sort of person that they wanted to keep close, and keep | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
within the tent, and by firing James Cronin me, that was something can't | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
actually ignored, and by getting rid of him -- James Comey, stopped being | :17:07. | :17:12. | |
able to claim executive privilege over what otherwise would have been | :17:13. | :17:17. | |
an employee of his. Mara Rudman, Donald Trump has hinted that there | :17:18. | :17:20. | |
might be taped recordings of the conversations he had with James | :17:21. | :17:26. | |
Comey. As a former national security adviser for President Obama, with | :17:27. | :17:31. | |
that happen? A president or a President's aid would record those | :17:32. | :17:38. | |
private conversations? First, I was a deputy to President Obama, just a | :17:39. | :17:43. | |
quick correction on that. On the question of tape recordings, | :17:44. | :17:46. | |
obviously the famous ones are those of President Nixon, and the | :17:47. | :17:49. | |
practices of what is recorded and not within the Oval Office have | :17:50. | :17:57. | |
changed over time. So I can't say with specificity whether there are | :17:58. | :18:07. | |
actually recordings, as President Trump hinted at in this case, but I | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
can tell you that this is something the independent counsel will | :18:13. | :18:18. | |
obviously be able to pursue and will undoubtedly pursue. It is something | :18:19. | :18:22. | |
that Congress has certainly asked about in their separate | :18:23. | :18:28. | |
investigations. But where it will absolutely be pursued to finality | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
would be with the independent councillor. Thank you very much all | :18:33. | :18:33. | |
of you. Yesterday we learned 13 people had | :18:34. | :18:44. | |
been convicted because of organised and systematic abuse at two Devon | :18:45. | :18:47. | |
care homes for adults with learning disabilities. One young man with | :18:48. | :18:51. | |
learning difficulties who was abused when he was living at the | :18:52. | :18:54. | |
Winterbourne View care home, which the BBC Panorama did and expose a on | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
five years ago, was also caught up in this abuse when he moved to a | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
home in Devon. We will speak to his mum and sister about how he was | :19:04. | :19:06. | |
treated, and it really is quite shopping, that is just after half | :19:07. | :19:08. | |
past ten. Before that, the Taliban - a hardline | :19:09. | :19:16. | |
Islamic movement in They emerged in the early 1990s, | :19:17. | :19:18. | |
promising to restore peace and security and enforce their own | :19:19. | :19:21. | |
austere version of Sharia, In both countries, they introduced | :19:22. | :19:24. | |
or supported Islamic punishments, such as public executions | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
of convicted murderers and adulterers, and amputations | :19:30. | :19:32. | |
of those found guilty of theft. Men were required to grow beards, | :19:33. | :19:35. | |
and women had to wear The Taliban banned television, | :19:36. | :19:38. | |
music and cinema, and disapproved of girls aged ten and over | :19:39. | :19:44. | |
from going to school. They were also accused | :19:45. | :19:47. | |
of protecting Osama Bin Laden, the man behind the Twin | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
Tower attacks in 2001. The fight to drive the Taliban out | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
of Afghanistan immediately after 9/11 cost the lives | :19:57. | :19:58. | |
of hundreds of British, American Many of them died fighting | :19:59. | :20:00. | |
in Helmand province Well, two years ago, | :20:01. | :20:03. | |
shortly after the troops came home, the Taliban took back | :20:04. | :20:11. | |
many of the areas that British Since then, little has | :20:12. | :20:14. | |
been known of what life Aulia Atrafi from the BBC's | :20:15. | :20:17. | |
Afghan Service got exclusive access to their "capital", | :20:18. | :20:29. | |
effectively their capital - a place called Musa Qala - | :20:30. | :20:31. | |
to see if they have changed - and what legacy the British | :20:32. | :20:34. | |
presence there left. It's a road no journalist has | :20:35. | :20:39. | |
taken for a long time. Ever since Taliban fighters overrun | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
most of Helmand Province two years ago, life under their rule has | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
been hidden from view. We didn't have to travel far, | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
all we had to do was get off The thing about the Taliban | :20:52. | :21:01. | |
is you can travel here for miles without seeing an armed person, | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
it's more the idea of the Taliban The road takes us through the once | :21:06. | :21:08. | |
bustling town of Sangin, more than 100 British soldiers died | :21:09. | :21:20. | |
here, now it is just rubble guarded We push on, we are heading | :21:21. | :21:23. | |
for their capital, Musa Qala. This river, the River Helmand | :21:24. | :21:35. | |
is what separates Sangin district One of the most important centres | :21:36. | :21:37. | |
for the Taliban, the heartland, The first international | :21:38. | :21:52. | |
journalists in years to see Our ever-present Taliban minder | :21:53. | :21:58. | |
drives just ahead of us. As we enter town, the weekly | :21:59. | :22:08. | |
travelling bazaar is taking place. On the surface, it could be | :22:09. | :22:12. | |
a bustling market anywhere in Afghanistan, but there are some | :22:13. | :22:16. | |
tell-tale signs we are The men are all wearing | :22:17. | :22:19. | |
traditional clothes, And there are some stalls | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
you would only find here. These ammunition captured | :22:25. | :22:41. | |
from the national army, 25 cents each, AK-47, | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
25 cents each and supply and demand here in the bazaar, | :22:47. | :22:48. | |
this Russian machine gun bullet, each used to cost 40 cents, | :22:49. | :22:51. | |
now dropped to 15 cents because the shopkeeper says | :22:52. | :22:56. | |
the Talibani have From the Afghan National | :22:57. | :22:58. | |
Security forces. We leave the market | :22:59. | :23:18. | |
and drive across town As we arrive, the students, all | :23:19. | :23:20. | |
boys, are doing religious studies. Our minder tells us they also | :23:21. | :23:29. | |
study maths and science. And have no problem with girls | :23:30. | :23:37. | |
getting an education, It is here we first | :23:38. | :23:39. | |
encounter the strange The school is run by | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
the Taliban, but still funded The teachers say there are small | :23:44. | :23:49. | |
changes in the way these subjects are taught in school, | :23:50. | :23:59. | |
but from the time when these schools were burnt by the Taliban, to now, | :24:00. | :24:05. | |
where Taliban encourage the running of these schools is a big step | :24:06. | :24:08. | |
forward for these children here. In the playground, the main | :24:09. | :24:29. | |
attraction seems to be our cameras. Most of the children have never | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
seen anything like them, it is a reminder just how isolated | :24:34. | :24:37. | |
these communities are. The boys that get an education | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
say they appreciate it. For some pupils, the novelty of our | :24:42. | :25:07. | |
visit is obviously wearing off. The drive across Musa Qala | :25:08. | :25:17. | |
feels strangely normal. Our destination is the local | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
hospital, like the school it is funded by the government | :25:23. | :25:24. | |
but run by the Taliban. It is supposed to look after 120,000 | :25:25. | :25:30. | |
people but lacks basic facilities. There is no female doctor or child | :25:31. | :25:38. | |
specialist, you can't even And now, the surgeon is leaving too, | :25:39. | :25:40. | |
because he hasn't been paid He didn't want to appear on camera, | :25:41. | :25:48. | |
but told us how bad things have got. Do you think the system | :25:49. | :25:55. | |
where government hospitals are run in Taliban areas, | :25:56. | :25:57. | |
do you think this Do you think the system | :25:58. | :25:59. | |
where government hospitals are run in Taliban areas, | :26:00. | :26:27. | |
do you think this The next day we meet | :26:28. | :26:30. | |
the Taliban spokesman, this is the closest view anyone has | :26:31. | :26:47. | |
had of how they run They remain a deeply controversial | :26:48. | :26:50. | |
organisation in Afghanistan, But they claim their approach | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
to governance has changed. That evening, we are taken | :26:55. | :27:37. | |
to see what passes for Since the end of the Taliban's | :27:38. | :27:39. | |
bloody campaign some security has returned to the district | :27:40. | :27:52. | |
but freedoms are limited. Away from the minders, one teenager | :27:53. | :27:55. | |
tells me he got 40 lashes Mobile phones are banned | :27:56. | :27:58. | |
for ordinary people, as is filming This man is open about | :27:59. | :28:05. | |
being an opium dealer. After four nights, it's finally time | :28:06. | :28:22. | |
to leave Taliban occupied Helmand. The Taliban proved very effective, | :28:23. | :28:33. | |
in terms of fighting, now they have captured huge | :28:34. | :28:36. | |
territories in Helmand and now they have to govern them and that's | :28:37. | :28:38. | |
the next challenge for them. How much they will join the modern | :28:39. | :28:44. | |
world and how much they will reject. This region where so many British | :28:45. | :28:52. | |
soldiers fought and died is now mostly under the control | :28:53. | :28:55. | |
of their former enemies. But you can feel a legacy here, | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
the idea that a government should provide public services, | :29:01. | :29:10. | |
education, hospitals, is now expected by the people | :29:11. | :29:12. | |
of Helmand and becoming accepted Absolutely fascinating, and also | :29:13. | :29:14. | |
chilling. Let's speak now to Auliya Atrafi, | :29:15. | :29:32. | |
who made that film. How did you get them to agree to | :29:33. | :29:38. | |
filming in the first place? We worked on this for more than a year, | :29:39. | :29:42. | |
twice we were close to going there and something would come up and we | :29:43. | :29:45. | |
were unable to go, and third time lucky. Where you chaperoned the | :29:46. | :29:51. | |
whole time? Did you feel that you were being manipulated by them? | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
Absolutely, there were one vehicle, sometimes two vehicles. The | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
immediate team was there and they had an English-speaking who is | :30:01. | :30:05. | |
always saying what I was saying, and they were gently manipulative. They | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
didn't want us to film anything to do with opium. Why? Because they see | :30:10. | :30:20. | |
themselves now as a legitimate government, because they have these | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
are vast areas under their control, so they want to be treated with | :30:25. | :30:28. | |
respect, they are craving legitimacy, but they know that in | :30:29. | :30:33. | |
international level, if your economy is based on opium, you won't get | :30:34. | :30:38. | |
much legitimacy. They have become image and media conscious. Where you | :30:39. | :30:43. | |
ever scared? I was, to be fair the Taliban were very gentle with us, | :30:44. | :30:47. | |
but it was just the idea of roaming around with guys who don't mind | :30:48. | :30:54. | |
dying, so you think, what if they suddenly decide to hurt you? What | :30:55. | :30:58. | |
would be there to stop them? So when I came back to Lashkar Gah, I had | :30:59. | :31:05. | |
nightmares. So many things strike me from that film. The lack of girls | :31:06. | :31:10. | |
and women. The fact that people are not free. They can't have mobiles, | :31:11. | :31:13. | |
play instruments or watch Olly Woodburn is. -- Bollywood films. But | :31:14. | :31:24. | |
people do feel secure. That is right, there is an analysis that the | :31:25. | :31:28. | |
Taliban success is not due to them being very good, it is due to the | :31:29. | :31:32. | |
governance being poor, especially in rural areas, poor areas to say the | :31:33. | :31:37. | |
least, and that gives the Taliban the edge. And also policies such as | :31:38. | :31:46. | |
not stopping the poppy harvest, it makes people comfortable, it is in | :31:47. | :31:49. | |
their interests that the Taliban are there rather than the government | :31:50. | :31:51. | |
because the government could eradicate the poppy harvest. If you | :31:52. | :31:56. | |
had to sum up the changes from what you have seen this time and say the | :31:57. | :31:59. | |
last time you were there, what would you say? Striking. Only a few years | :32:00. | :32:06. | |
ago, my teacher in Helmand province was killed because he ignored the | :32:07. | :32:10. | |
warnings to stop his school, so schools were destroyed in my | :32:11. | :32:14. | |
district. But now the Taliban are encouraging schools, and sometimes | :32:15. | :32:19. | |
building extensions to hospitals with their own money. It is a | :32:20. | :32:25. | |
striking difference. But I think they will face difficulties when it | :32:26. | :32:30. | |
comes to whether people take these things for granted, and they want | :32:31. | :32:33. | |
liberties, and these liberties, the Taliban will struggle to give, | :32:34. | :32:37. | |
because that is where they will lose their legitimacy if they open their | :32:38. | :32:41. | |
doors entirely to modernity, so it is this big to be or not to be | :32:42. | :32:46. | |
dilemma for the Taliban, how much modernity should they open up to? | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
Thank you very much. Still to come in the last half an | :32:51. | :33:02. | |
hour: After 12 staff at two private care homes in Devon have been found | :33:03. | :33:08. | |
guilty of abusing patients, we here for the family one of the victims. | :33:09. | :33:12. | |
And the Anglican Church in Scotland holds a historic vote later on | :33:13. | :33:16. | |
whether to allow gay couples to marry in church. We will speak to | :33:17. | :33:17. | |
campaigners for and against. And obviously more dogs at polling | :33:18. | :33:26. | |
stations. But first the headlines with Anita. | :33:27. | :33:29. | |
Thank you, good morning. Polling stations are open for millions to | :33:30. | :33:35. | |
cast their votes at the general election. Police forces say there | :33:36. | :33:39. | |
will be increased security in some areas following recent terror | :33:40. | :33:44. | |
attacks in some areas Manchester and London. The first results are | :33:45. | :33:48. | |
expected around midnight. Party leaders have begun casting their | :33:49. | :33:53. | |
votes. Seven weeks after calling a general election, Theresa May | :33:54. | :33:58. | |
visited a polling station in her Maidenhead constituency, while the | :33:59. | :34:00. | |
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn went to a ballot box in North London. And a | :34:01. | :34:05. | |
reminder that you can watch all the results coming in throughout the | :34:06. | :34:09. | |
night, joined David Dimbleby and the team tonight on BBC One and the BBC | :34:10. | :34:14. | |
News Channel 4 election 2017. That coverage starts at 9:55pm. | :34:15. | :34:20. | |
The former FBI director sacked by Donald Trump will give evidence | :34:21. | :34:22. | |
James Comey claims the US President tried to influence his investigation | :34:23. | :34:26. | |
into alleged links between members of the Trump team and Russia. | :34:27. | :34:29. | |
The White House denies the allegations. | :34:30. | :34:40. | |
Three men have been arrested on suspicion of terror offences after | :34:41. | :34:44. | |
armed officers carried out raids this morning. Police say the arrests | :34:45. | :34:51. | |
are not connected to the London Bridge attack. A diamond ring bought | :34:52. | :34:58. | |
the ?10 of the car-boot sale has been sold for more than ?650,000 at | :34:59. | :35:00. | |
auction in London. The 26-carat cushion-shaped diamond | :35:01. | :35:04. | |
sold for almost double its estimate. The owner bought the ring | :35:05. | :35:06. | |
in the 1980s and was unaware of its real value, | :35:07. | :35:09. | |
wearing it every day That's a summary of the latest news, | :35:10. | :35:19. | |
join me for BBC newsroom live at 11 o'clock. After the sport we will | :35:20. | :35:25. | |
show you footage obtained by The Times of the three London attackers' | :35:26. | :35:33. | |
days before the attack, laughing and joking before they carried out the | :35:34. | :35:37. | |
attack on Saturday night. Let's get the latest sport. | :35:38. | :35:41. | |
Chelsea striker Diego Costa could be on his way out of Stamford Bridge | :35:42. | :35:45. | |
despite helping the club to last season's Premier League title | :35:46. | :35:50. | |
scoring 20 goals in the process. He claimed he was told via text message | :35:51. | :35:53. | |
from his boss that he is no longer in the club's plans. There is an | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
all-new Lions line-up for their third tour of New Zealand. Alun | :35:59. | :36:04. | |
Wyn-Jones will be the captain in Christchurch on Saturday. The Lions | :36:05. | :36:15. | |
are facing a big challenge. For the fourth year in a row Andy Murray is | :36:16. | :36:18. | |
through to the semifinals of the French Open. He had to fight for his | :36:19. | :36:22. | |
place, coming from a set down against Kei Nishikori. He faces Stan | :36:23. | :36:26. | |
Wawrinka next in a repeat of last year's; which Murray won. And if you | :36:27. | :36:35. | |
were wondering about Sir Ben Ainslie's progress in the America's | :36:36. | :36:38. | |
Cup, there hasn't been any, today's racing was called off due to high | :36:39. | :36:42. | |
winds in Bermuda. Better conditions hope for tomorrow. Thank you. | :36:43. | :36:47. | |
The three men who carried out the London Bridge terror attack | :36:48. | :36:49. | |
were filmed laughing and joking in the days before they killed eight | :36:50. | :36:52. | |
The Times newspaper has obtained footage of Khuram Butt, | :36:53. | :36:58. | |
Rachid Redouane and Youssef Zagba outside a gym in | :36:59. | :37:00. | |
The three London Bridge attackers days before carrying out their | :37:01. | :38:05. | |
murderous assault on completely innocent British people and people | :38:06. | :38:06. | |
from around the world. A few moments ago the Liberal | :38:07. | :38:16. | |
Democrat leader Tim Farron arrived at his constituency | :38:17. | :38:18. | |
in Kendal in Cumbria. Mr Farron has actually already voted | :38:19. | :38:20. | |
by post but has still gone along Polls are open until ten o'clock | :38:21. | :38:23. | |
this evening with first results The Election 2017 special will be | :38:24. | :38:27. | |
with David Dimbleby. That's on BBC One and the BBC News | :38:28. | :38:32. | |
channel from 9.55pm tonight. You will get the exit poll at five | :38:33. | :38:45. | |
to ten, published jointly by the broadcasters exactly at ten o'clock, | :38:46. | :38:50. | |
so tune in at 52, and you can watch Mishal Husain, Jeremy Vine, David | :38:51. | :38:54. | |
Dimbleby, Emily Maitlis, Laura Kuenssberg and our correspondents up | :38:55. | :38:59. | |
and down the UK to bring you the latest results. | :39:00. | :39:02. | |
Twelve staff at two private care homes in North Devon have now been | :39:03. | :39:05. | |
convicted of the "organised and systemic" abuse of adults | :39:06. | :39:08. | |
They often punished those they were supposed to be caring | :39:09. | :39:12. | |
for by putting them in an empty room with no food, heating | :39:13. | :39:14. | |
One of those affected was 25-year-old Ben. | :39:15. | :39:21. | |
He had been moved to the home after being abused at Winterbourne View, | :39:22. | :39:25. | |
the home exposed by BBC Panorama in 2011. | :39:26. | :39:31. | |
Ben's sister Emma Garrod and his mum Claire spoke to me earlier. | :39:32. | :39:32. | |
First of all, tell us a little bit about Ben. Ben is a very sensitive, | :39:33. | :39:51. | |
fun loving, polite person. He is just a really, really nice person, | :39:52. | :40:01. | |
and yes. I think he's a joy to be around, and with the right support | :40:02. | :40:05. | |
and the right care, he gives back so much more than is ever put into him. | :40:06. | :40:12. | |
And he had been at Winterbourne view care home, where he had been | :40:13. | :40:18. | |
mistreated. Tell us about that. He had his jaw fractured at | :40:19. | :40:22. | |
Winterbourne View, and he lost his front teeth. So we were quite | :40:23. | :40:30. | |
disgusted with that. And to be in this position again is just | :40:31. | :40:35. | |
unbelievable. What happened when he moved to the place in Devon? The | :40:36. | :40:41. | |
place in Devon, they picked him up from Winterbourne, and they told us | :40:42. | :40:45. | |
we wouldn't be able to see him for two weeks, and we didn't see him for | :40:46. | :40:51. | |
five. They made every excuse under the sun to stop us from seeing him. | :40:52. | :40:55. | |
We did see him on occasion and we had a lovely time, but he always | :40:56. | :41:00. | |
looked really terrified when he had to go back. So when you were not | :41:01. | :41:05. | |
able to see him for the first two weeks and then it turned out to be | :41:06. | :41:08. | |
five, what did you think was going on? Straightaway, alarm bells were | :41:09. | :41:13. | |
ringing, and it was clear that everything they promised wasn't | :41:14. | :41:17. | |
going to happen. And when you say you eventually did get to see him | :41:18. | :41:21. | |
and he looked terrified, tell us more. He was a lot quieter than he | :41:22. | :41:29. | |
had been for a long time. He was really pleased to see us, but he | :41:30. | :41:34. | |
didn't tell us anything at that stage. He just enjoyed his home | :41:35. | :41:40. | |
visits. But when they came to pick him up, he was just terrified. And | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
was that when you started to think, we need to get him out? Yes. When | :41:46. | :41:52. | |
they stopped us seeing him for five weeks, I already knew that something | :41:53. | :41:55. | |
was terribly wrong. How long did it take? It took us over a year, and | :41:56. | :42:06. | |
then they gave him 28 days notice, but the investigation started so he | :42:07. | :42:11. | |
didn't serve those 28 days, and he went to a farmers and emergency | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
placement. Which you were happy with, I think, when to? We were, | :42:16. | :42:20. | |
yes. And when did it become clear, when was he able to let you know how | :42:21. | :42:27. | |
he had been treated? Ben didn't say anything for a long time, he was so | :42:28. | :42:31. | |
traumatised, and he let us know through a song. He was listening to | :42:32. | :42:37. | |
Emeli Sande, and it said something about staring through the glass, and | :42:38. | :42:40. | |
it just poured out. It was a credible. What did he tell you? He | :42:41. | :42:46. | |
told us that he used to be dragged into the quiet room. He used to be | :42:47. | :42:53. | |
kicked and told mind the rats or spiders don't eat you. He used to be | :42:54. | :43:02. | |
naked. He said he was hungry. It was horrendous. He said he slept on an | :43:03. | :43:08. | |
air bed, but he said it was burst, and he said there was nothing to do. | :43:09. | :43:13. | |
How did you respond when he finally revealed this to you? To be honest, | :43:14. | :43:19. | |
I was sat typing everything he said, obviously ready to send it to the | :43:20. | :43:24. | |
police, but I had to do almost something that I don't think it is | :43:25. | :43:27. | |
possible for many people to do, because how I didn't start crying, I | :43:28. | :43:30. | |
don't know, but I think he was testing me as well to make sure he | :43:31. | :43:35. | |
could trust me. And how did you respond, Emma? What did you think | :43:36. | :43:38. | |
when you heard what had happened to Ben? I think a big part of me was | :43:39. | :43:46. | |
just totally disgusted by the fact that this could happen again, and | :43:47. | :43:51. | |
that once more the duty of care had been failed so dramatically. But a | :43:52. | :43:58. | |
big part of me just didn't want to believe it, and I think was just | :43:59. | :44:04. | |
kind of scared for the future as well in terms of Ben lives and | :44:05. | :44:09. | |
exists within the system, and he will have to do that for the rest of | :44:10. | :44:14. | |
his life, and being utterly terrified for what comes next, | :44:15. | :44:18. | |
because we needed him to be settled and happy, and he had been failed | :44:19. | :44:25. | |
too many times. Is he still damaged now, then, by that experience? | :44:26. | :44:33. | |
Incredibly. He has really bad flashbacks, and he will say, why did | :44:34. | :44:38. | |
I do that? He is really remorseful, obviously to me he has PTSD off the | :44:39. | :44:48. | |
scale. But it is really bad. I am not just his mother, I am his | :44:49. | :44:53. | |
psychiatrist, it is terrible. I can get many calls, day or night, my | :44:54. | :44:57. | |
phone is never off, I can't go for a holiday, but as his mother, it is my | :44:58. | :45:03. | |
duty to be there for him. There have now been convictions, you saw the | :45:04. | :45:07. | |
defendants in court, some will never be able to work with vulnerable | :45:08. | :45:11. | |
people again. What was the court process like for you and then? Then | :45:12. | :45:17. | |
was protected because he didn't know anything was going on. But what I | :45:18. | :45:23. | |
heard in court was not him. They were just not describing him. None | :45:24. | :45:28. | |
of it was him. He is just such a lovely person, and it was one-sided. | :45:29. | :45:36. | |
It was gruelling. I sat there for 14 weeks every day through two trials, | :45:37. | :45:44. | |
but Devon and Cornwall police, they did a sterling job, and I felt very | :45:45. | :45:51. | |
cared for, and some of the learning disability charities came and sat | :45:52. | :45:55. | |
with me, and when it got really tough, but it was very difficult not | :45:56. | :45:59. | |
to stand up and scream, because that was not Ben Brown. wattage you think | :46:00. | :46:12. | |
about the way your brother was portrayed when he wasn't on trial? | :46:13. | :46:16. | |
It was unbelievable that was the way it went from the start of the trial. | :46:17. | :46:21. | |
He wasn't on trial, like you said. He was the victim in this case, and | :46:22. | :46:28. | |
one of a few victims, and he deserved his opportunity to have a | :46:29. | :46:33. | |
voice and that courtroom. Unfortunately he was denied that | :46:34. | :46:39. | |
boys and he was vilified, instead. Thank you both very much for talking | :46:40. | :46:43. | |
to us, we really appreciate your time, player and Emma Gareth. Thank | :46:44. | :46:49. | |
you very much. Thank you. Thank you. The Garrett family have been | :46:50. | :46:56. | |
supported by the charity mencap. I don't understand how adults who are | :46:57. | :47:01. | |
there to care for people who are really vulnerable, so many adults, | :47:02. | :47:04. | |
can mistreat them in such a vile disgusting way. How does it happen? | :47:05. | :47:08. | |
These were isolated care homes. The judge of the case made it clear that | :47:09. | :47:12. | |
he thought a culture of abuse developed their lead from people at | :47:13. | :47:19. | |
the top of the organisation. Families, as Claire said, were | :47:20. | :47:25. | |
blocked from visiting often, so they were not able to see what went on in | :47:26. | :47:28. | |
the care home. When you put those things together, with concerns not | :47:29. | :47:38. | |
putting together, those concerns were not acted quickly enough. When | :47:39. | :47:44. | |
you put those on, it could be not tackled and shut down. If you are | :47:45. | :47:49. | |
relatives of somebody like Ben Garratt, who is being cared for 20 | :47:50. | :47:57. | |
47, most weeks, and they block you, as relatives from going to visit, | :47:58. | :48:02. | |
what should you do? Ring the police? Altar if you think that the person | :48:03. | :48:08. | |
in an establishment is in immediate danger, then yes. What if you are | :48:09. | :48:11. | |
not sure but you just think, that is so weird, they won't let me visit my | :48:12. | :48:19. | |
son? You should immediately safeguard. You should call the | :48:20. | :48:28. | |
police. I would like to pay tribute to Ben, all the people with learning | :48:29. | :48:31. | |
disabilities, their families, who have been involved with this trial, | :48:32. | :48:35. | |
which is taken six years to come to court. To be able to tell their | :48:36. | :48:41. | |
story about what happened I think is incredibly important now. That we | :48:42. | :48:46. | |
work with the families to learn lessons from what happened during | :48:47. | :48:53. | |
the court. Claire said she felt it was likely people with learning | :48:54. | :48:56. | |
disabilities themselves were on trial, which is extraordinary. We | :48:57. | :49:01. | |
think we have learned when it comes to sexual exploitation cases, when | :49:02. | :49:03. | |
young girls felt they were on trial when they were the victims. We think | :49:04. | :49:07. | |
we have learned there but not people with learning abilities, I'd -- | :49:08. | :49:11. | |
disabilities, I don't know. The juries were never told when people | :49:12. | :49:15. | |
were being supported themselves now, which was in the community, people | :49:16. | :49:20. | |
were being portrayed as being wilfully violent. | :49:21. | :49:28. | |
Of course living with the shocking legacy of what their experience | :49:29. | :49:35. | |
there. OK, and really sad to hear from Ben Garratt buzz like mother, | :49:36. | :49:38. | |
Claire, the impact of what happened to him five years ago -- Ben | :49:39. | :49:43. | |
Garrod's mother, Claire. The still living with it. There is support for | :49:44. | :49:48. | |
the ball out there like Ben, who have enjoyed huge, and coping with | :49:49. | :49:54. | |
that, and for their families -- huge trauma. They need to be supported | :49:55. | :49:57. | |
through that time. Thank you very much. | :49:58. | :50:03. | |
The Scottish Episcopal Church, the Anglican church in Scotland, is | :50:04. | :50:08. | |
holding an historic vote today on whether to allow same-sex marriage | :50:09. | :50:12. | |
in church. They vote in favour would make them the first part of the | :50:13. | :50:16. | |
Anglican church in the UK to allow gay marriage, and would put them at | :50:17. | :50:19. | |
odds with traditionalists. Let's talk to our correspondent. | :50:20. | :50:21. | |
Our correspondent Michael Buchanan joins us now | :50:22. | :50:23. | |
Talk our audience through this because reversal issue. Morning, | :50:24. | :50:31. | |
yes. This vote is expected to be passed. It will take place at the | :50:32. | :50:36. | |
Synod of the Scottish Episcopal church later on this afternoon in | :50:37. | :50:41. | |
Edinburgh. For the church to change the rules to allow gay marriage, | :50:42. | :50:45. | |
there will have to be a two thirds majority in all three houses of the | :50:46. | :50:50. | |
sin not, the bishops, the clergy and lay members. There was an initial | :50:51. | :50:57. | |
boat. They needed a simple majority but they did get a two thirds | :50:58. | :51:05. | |
majority. There is still an expectation by both supporters and | :51:06. | :51:07. | |
opponents of this measure that this boat will be passed today. The | :51:08. | :51:14. | |
consequence of that is that gay ambush can couples in Scotland -- | :51:15. | :51:17. | |
gay Anglican couples in Scotland will also be put get married in | :51:18. | :51:26. | |
churches but Sobel gay couples from England to -- so we'll gay couples | :51:27. | :51:31. | |
from England. They are planning on announcing later today after this | :51:32. | :51:34. | |
vote, they are planning on announcing that a missionary bishop | :51:35. | :51:38. | |
will be appointed to take care of congregations across Europe, who | :51:39. | :51:43. | |
feel that they can't support gay marriage, can't support the line | :51:44. | :51:47. | |
that the Scottish Episcopal Church will probably take this afternoon, | :51:48. | :51:49. | |
and will therefore have somebody else they can turn to for spiritual | :51:50. | :51:53. | |
guidance. Guevara much, Michael Buchanan. | :51:54. | :51:56. | |
Joining me now is Jayne Ozanne, a prominent campaigner on LGBT | :51:57. | :51:58. | |
issues in the Anglican Church, and a member of its synod, | :51:59. | :52:01. | |
and Susie Leafe, Director of Reform, a network | :52:02. | :52:03. | |
of Conservative Evangelicals within the Church of England. | :52:04. | :52:06. | |
Susie Leafe, it looks like this will be passed. What do you think? I | :52:07. | :52:13. | |
think it will be a very sad day, in some way is, for the Scottish | :52:14. | :52:17. | |
Episcopal Church. I think if they pass this motion, they know that | :52:18. | :52:22. | |
they are doing that against the wishes of the wider Anglican | :52:23. | :52:25. | |
community, and what they will do will cause problems, strain and | :52:26. | :52:30. | |
distance in relationships worldwide. Why are you against it? Why am I | :52:31. | :52:39. | |
against it? Well, Jesus was asked about marriage, and he chose to | :52:40. | :52:42. | |
define marriage as between one man and one woman for life, he chose to | :52:43. | :52:46. | |
submit himself to the Scriptures, and what is good enough for Jesus is | :52:47. | :52:50. | |
good enough for me. OK, let me bring in Jane. I saw you raise your | :52:51. | :52:56. | |
eyebrows a little as Susie was explaining her views when it came to | :52:57. | :53:00. | |
Jesus and marriage. How do you answer what she says? Well, I think | :53:01. | :53:05. | |
the important thing to remember here is that we read Scripture | :53:06. | :53:09. | |
differently, and that is what the Scottish Episcopal Church is | :53:10. | :53:13. | |
recognising today, which I think is extraordinarily courageous and | :53:14. | :53:15. | |
important, that they know different people look at Scripture | :53:16. | :53:18. | |
differently. I passionately believe in Scripture but Jesus was answering | :53:19. | :53:23. | |
a question about divorce at that point, and he was emphasising it was | :53:24. | :53:27. | |
one man and one woman. Interestingly, a lot of African | :53:28. | :53:30. | |
bishops are married to many women and they don't seem to decide to | :53:31. | :53:34. | |
listen to Jesus at that point. Could you name one? I can't actually. I | :53:35. | :53:42. | |
know that the Lambeth conference is preparing and has had to prepare in | :53:43. | :53:45. | |
the past for bishops to bring their second wives. I can't Susie at the | :53:46. | :53:51. | |
moment, but I know it to be true and you know it to be true. I don't know | :53:52. | :53:56. | |
any African bishops. Who are married to more than one woman. I don't know | :53:57. | :54:01. | |
that is important but we all know that polygamy exists, and the | :54:02. | :54:04. | |
important thing is that we believe love is to be celebrated, and Jesus | :54:05. | :54:08. | |
actually talked an awful lot about love. And the important thing here | :54:09. | :54:12. | |
is that we have a church who recognises the integrity of people | :54:13. | :54:17. | |
who hold different points of view, and has created a conscience clause | :54:18. | :54:20. | |
to enable that to happen. I think that is what has happened. Susie | :54:21. | :54:26. | |
Leafe, show a bit of love to gay people who want to get married in a | :54:27. | :54:32. | |
church. I would love to show love to all gay people. Not if they want to | :54:33. | :54:38. | |
get married in a church. We seem to believe that the only loving thing | :54:39. | :54:41. | |
to do the beetle is to affirm them in whatever decision they choose to | :54:42. | :54:45. | |
make. Jesus didn't do that. He was one of the most loving people in the | :54:46. | :54:49. | |
world ever to live. He was God incarnate, and he welcomed everyone. | :54:50. | :54:52. | |
There is no doubt. Everyone is welcome in our churches in this | :54:53. | :54:58. | |
country. But if we really love people, we want to show them what | :54:59. | :55:02. | |
God says about the way in which we can be forgiven, we can be loved, | :55:03. | :55:06. | |
and we can be transformed, to live according to the ways in which God | :55:07. | :55:12. | |
wants us to live. Jayne, if Jesus was around, would he let gay couples | :55:13. | :55:17. | |
get married in the Anglican church? Of course it would. How can you say | :55:18. | :55:24. | |
that? Because that is exactly how he talks to me, how he embraces me, how | :55:25. | :55:27. | |
he wants to celebrate the God-given love he has given me. I appreciate | :55:28. | :55:33. | |
you don't believe that, Susy, and luckily you are straight so you | :55:34. | :55:36. | |
don't have to believe that about anything else but I believe that | :55:37. | :55:40. | |
Jesus passionately wants to embrace all. We did a survey last year that | :55:41. | :55:47. | |
most of the LGBT community thinks the church rejects them. The | :55:48. | :55:52. | |
important thing is that God loves and he celebrates love and he wants | :55:53. | :55:56. | |
us to have the God-given desire confirmed in marriage in church. | :55:57. | :56:02. | |
Susie Leafe, if this vote is passed and according to our correspondence | :56:03. | :56:05. | |
Michael Buchanan, it will be, what will you do? I am in England but one | :56:06. | :56:10. | |
of the great things your correspondent mentioned was this | :56:11. | :56:13. | |
idea of a missionary bishop. We want to get on with both in England and | :56:14. | :56:19. | |
Scotland with telling people about the great offer that Jesus gives the | :56:20. | :56:23. | |
people, whether straight or gay, whether young or old, and I believe | :56:24. | :56:29. | |
that a missionary bishop who upholds what the Bible teaches will mean | :56:30. | :56:34. | |
that the kind of churches which are growing and thriving in this church | :56:35. | :56:39. | |
will have a spiritual leadership. The kinds of churches that are | :56:40. | :56:44. | |
declining, and the Scottish Episcopal Church is a tiny church | :56:45. | :56:48. | |
and has been shrinking for some time, those churches, everyone is | :56:49. | :56:50. | |
free to make a decision as they like. But I am really looking | :56:51. | :56:56. | |
forward to the idea of having a missionary bishop who longs to see | :56:57. | :57:00. | |
more and more people come to know the Lord Jesus Christ. And very | :57:01. | :57:05. | |
briefly, Jayne, in seconds, if this goes through, how will you | :57:06. | :57:08. | |
celebrate? We will be extremely happy and I think it is very | :57:09. | :57:11. | |
disingenuous to talk about missionary bishops, every bishop is | :57:12. | :57:16. | |
a missionary bishop, she has one already in Maidstone. The important | :57:17. | :57:21. | |
thing is that gay people can be affirmed, accepted and celebrate the | :57:22. | :57:23. | |
love that they have and it is a wonderful thing to celebrate. Thank | :57:24. | :57:24. | |
you both. Before we leave you, Here are some more pics of your dogs | :57:25. | :57:29. | |
at polling stations. she did not have a brush this | :57:30. | :57:32. | |
morning. She's a wondrous | :57:33. | :57:40. | |
five-month-old High-malt - a Westie and Maltese Cross | :57:41. | :57:42. | |
three-and-a-half-leg rescue dog. This is Winston the Warrior | :57:43. | :57:45. | |
at Lockerley polling station Glenn Birrell says our Border | :57:46. | :57:48. | |
terriers George, 17 weeks, We were first to vote | :57:49. | :58:00. | |
in Hebburn North. Sidney the cockerdor - | :58:01. | :58:09. | |
half lab and half cocker - Kira helping out with voting - | :58:10. | :58:12. | |
she's a 12-year-old German pointer. Thank you so much for humouring me. | :58:13. | :58:27. | |
Have a great day, don't forget to vote. BBC One, five to ten for | :58:28. | :58:32. | |
Hang on, you haven't even told me what it is yet. | :58:33. | :58:37. |