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Hello, it's Friday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling, | :00:00. | :00:08. | |
Documents seen by BBC News suggest the cladding recently fitted | :00:09. | :00:15. | |
on Grenfell Tower was nearly ?300,000 cheaper | :00:16. | :00:16. | |
This latest development in the fire's aftermath comes | :00:17. | :00:23. | |
as a council meeting last night descended into chaos. | :00:24. | :00:26. | |
An absolute fiasco, this is why I'm calling for your resignation, | :00:27. | :00:30. | |
not because of what happened with the fire, but the sheer | :00:31. | :00:33. | |
and ongoing incompetence that this council has shown ever | :00:34. | :00:36. | |
We'll bring you the latest from the scene in west London. | :00:37. | :00:43. | |
The end of a long and desperate journey. | :00:44. | :00:48. | |
The parents of ten-month-old Charlie Gard - who lost their fight | :00:49. | :00:51. | |
to take him to America for experimental treatment - | :00:52. | :00:53. | |
say his life support will be switched off today. | :00:54. | :00:55. | |
It's going to be the worst day of our lives. | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
We know what day our son is going to die and we don't even get a say | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
We'll look back at the enormous effort they went | :01:03. | :01:09. | |
to, to keep him alive. | :01:10. | :01:11. | |
Donald Trump's travel ban takes effect after months of controversy. | :01:12. | :01:13. | |
People from six mainly Muslim countries and all refugees will now | :01:14. | :01:16. | |
face a tougher time getting into the US. | :01:17. | :01:19. | |
The president says it's designed to stop terrorism. | :01:20. | :01:32. | |
Hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am. | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
After a fall in knife crime, levels are now | :01:37. | :01:38. | |
Four people killed in four days this week. | :01:39. | :01:45. | |
We are talking to a mum whose son was stabbed and killed and also | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
Do get in touch on all the stories we're | :01:49. | :01:53. | |
talking about this morning - use the hashtag VictoriaLIVE | :01:54. | :01:55. | |
and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. | :01:56. | :01:58. | |
Our top story today - cladding fitted to Grenfell Tower | :01:59. | :02:03. | |
during its refurbishment was changed to a version which cost nearly | :02:04. | :02:14. | |
?300,000 less than the original version chosen, a document seen | :02:15. | :02:16. | |
At least 80 people were killed when the tower block in west London | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
A council meeting to discuss the tragedy was called off last | :02:22. | :02:25. | |
night within minutes of starting after a row broke out over | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
the attendance of members of the public and press. | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
He wants answers, and the rest of us... | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
A meeting of councillors ending in chaos. | :02:36. | :02:37. | |
Another sign of a council creaking under pressure. | :02:38. | :02:40. | |
Having failed to properly respond to the disaster, last night, | :02:41. | :02:46. | |
Kensington and Chelsea failed in a bid to ban reporters | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
A High Court judge had to remind senior councillors their discussions | :02:50. | :03:01. | |
are supposed to be open so the top team walked out. | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
The leader of the council's Labour group is demanding changes | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
I want the senior leadership of the council and the cabinet to resign. | :03:10. | :03:16. | |
I want a new organisation in the council who can finally get | :03:17. | :03:19. | |
to grips with the situation and make sure that my residents are properly | :03:20. | :03:24. | |
Ten days after this disaster, and I'll remind you, | :03:25. | :03:31. | |
we are only two or three miles away from Parliament, we're not | :03:32. | :03:34. | |
in the middle of a third world country, ten days | :03:35. | :03:37. | |
after the disaster, my people are still not being housed properly. | :03:38. | :03:40. | |
They are still not getting the access to the money | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
Before last night's meeting, the council leader accepted | :03:45. | :03:52. | |
the criticism but said he was not going. | :03:53. | :03:54. | |
The scale of this was absolutely enormous, unprecedented. | :03:55. | :03:57. | |
I think any council would have found it difficult to have | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
This was a very big challenge for a relatively small London | :04:02. | :04:06. | |
borough and I'm sure we could have done better and we will look | :04:07. | :04:09. | |
at what we could have done differently or quicker or better | :04:10. | :04:11. | |
and that will be one of the lessons that we learn from this tragedy. | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
The panels stuck on the building are a key area for the investigation. | :04:16. | :04:18. | |
The BBC has been told that during refurbishment, | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
zinc cladding was rejected in favour of an aluminium alternative, | :04:24. | :04:26. | |
not as fire retardant, although it has the same official rating. | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
It was chosen because it was cheaper. | :04:32. | :04:34. | |
The council saved more than ?290,000. | :04:35. | :04:37. | |
How costly that decision could have been is one of many | :04:38. | :04:40. | |
A man has been charged with fraud after allegedly claiming | :04:41. | :04:50. | |
he lost family members in the Grenfell Tower fire. | :04:51. | :04:53. | |
Anh Nhu Nguyen, who's 52 and of no fixed address, | :04:54. | :04:56. | |
We will speak to the chairman of the Local Government Association shortly | :04:57. | :05:11. | |
for his reaction to everything that is going on after the Grenfell Tower | :05:12. | :05:13. | |
fire. First, Annita is in the BBC | :05:14. | :05:16. | |
Newsroom with a summary The parents of ten-month-old Charlie | :05:17. | :05:27. | |
Gard, who fought an unsuccessful legal battle to take him to America | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
for experimental treatment, say he will stop receiving life-support | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
today. Charlie has a rare genetic condition and brain damage. Doctors | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
at Great Ormond Street Hospital said the US treatment would not help him. | :05:41. | :05:42. | |
We should be over the road, sitting next to our son, | :05:43. | :05:45. | |
Charlie Gard's bed, spending the last precious | :05:46. | :05:47. | |
But we just thought we would take five minutes out to come | :05:48. | :05:56. | |
It's a video no one should ever have to make. | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
In a heart-breaking YouTube post, ten-month-old Charlie Gard's parents | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
say they're being denied their last hope for their baby boy. | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
We promised our little boy every single day | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
that we would take him home, because that is a promise | :06:15. | :06:17. | |
We want to give him a bath at home, we want to sit on the sofa with him, | :06:18. | :06:23. | |
we want to sleep in the bed with him, we want to put him | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
in a cot that he's never slept in, but we are now being denied that. | :06:28. | :06:31. | |
Charlie was born with a rare genetic condition and is | :06:32. | :06:33. | |
Connie Yates and Chris Gard have been fighting to | :06:34. | :06:39. | |
keep his life support switched on since March, | :06:40. | :06:42. | |
despite doctors saying there's no hope for improvement. | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
They took their fight all the way to the European Court of Human Rights. | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
But this week, they lost, as judges agreed with the British | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
courts it was most likely Charlie was being exposed to continued pain. | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
Today, his life support will be switched off. | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
His parents say they're being rushed at the most difficult | :07:02. | :07:03. | |
The 4th of August 2016 was the best day of our life, | :07:04. | :07:10. | |
But 30th June, 2017, is going to be the worst | :07:11. | :07:18. | |
Great Ormond Street Hospital say they won't comment on specific | :07:19. | :07:24. | |
details of patient care, but this is a very distressing | :07:25. | :07:27. | |
situation for Charlie's parents and all of the staff involved | :07:28. | :07:29. | |
The German parliament has voted to legalise same-sex marriage. | :07:30. | :07:39. | |
The bill will grant gay and lesbian couples full marital rights | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
Let's get more from Berlin correspondent, Jenny Hill. Good | :07:43. | :07:52. | |
morning. The Chancellor herself voted against this bill but she gave | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
MPs a free vote, didn't she? Yes come Angela Merkel will, I suppose, | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
go down in history as the Chancellor who in effect made same-sex marriage | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
possible in Germany. This all happened in a very last minute and | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
dramatic fashion. Earlier this week, Mrs Merkel gave an interview during | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
which she appeared to drop her long-standing opposition to same-sex | :08:16. | :08:18. | |
marriage and said that she would give MPs a free vote on the subject. | :08:19. | :08:26. | |
That allowed her left-wing political opposition to effectively jumped at | :08:27. | :08:29. | |
the chance to push through a bill they have been trying to get into | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
Parliament for many years. They managed to do it right at the last | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
minute. Parliament goes on summer holidays tomorrow. Mrs Merkel, | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
because she had allowed MPs a free vote, effectively Dave Parliamentary | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
approval. It meant there was enough support across Parliament to pass | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
the legislation, even though she herself then voted against the | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
measure. In a way, I suspect she was trying to appeal to the more | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
conservative elements of her own party whilst in effect allowing this | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
to go ahead. Bear in mind, Mrs Merkel has an election later this | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
year and she might have to go into coalition with parties who would | :09:07. | :09:09. | |
have demanded same-sex marriage legislation as part of a coalition | :09:10. | :09:16. | |
agreement. So a lot of politics going on behind-the-scenes but | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
certainly in Germany, I think it is a decision which is very welcome. | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
The majority of Germans, a poll suggests, are in favour of same-sex | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
marriage. It is one of the very last, I suppose, Western liberal | :09:29. | :09:31. | |
democracy to bring in this legislation. It is likely to face | :09:32. | :09:34. | |
some challenges at the Constitutional Court but if all goes | :09:35. | :09:37. | |
according to plan, it should come into force by the end of the year. | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
Thank you for joining us. Jenny Hill in Berlin. | :09:42. | :09:41. | |
Parts of President Trump's controversial travel ban have | :09:42. | :09:43. | |
On Monday, a Supreme Court ruling upheld the temporary ban, | :09:44. | :09:47. | |
which covers visitors from six mainly Muslim countries | :09:48. | :09:52. | |
and means people without "close" family or business relationships | :09:53. | :09:54. | |
in the US could be denied visas and barred entry. | :09:55. | :09:56. | |
But the measures have already been brought back to court | :09:57. | :09:59. | |
An investigation by chemical weapons inspectors has concluded | :10:00. | :10:07. | |
that the banned nerve agent sarin was used in an attack | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
on a rebel-held town in northern Syria in April. | :10:12. | :10:14. | |
More than 80 people were killed. | :10:15. | :10:17. | |
The attack prompted the United States to launch a cruise | :10:18. | :10:19. | |
missile strike on a Syrian government air base. | :10:20. | :10:22. | |
The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson said he had no doubt | :10:23. | :10:24. | |
Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad's forces were involved | :10:25. | :10:26. | |
Funerals for two of the Manchester bombing victims will | :10:27. | :10:34. | |
22 people were killed when suicide bomber Salman Abedi detonated | :10:35. | :10:43. | |
a device as crowds left an Ariana Grande concert. | :10:44. | :10:45. | |
A service will be held for 29-year-old Martyn Hett | :10:46. | :10:48. | |
at Stockport Town Hall, which will also be screened | :10:49. | :10:50. | |
onto the street outside for members of the public. | :10:51. | :10:53. | |
Another funeral will take place for 15-year-old | :10:54. | :10:54. | |
The American tennis player Venus Williams, | :10:55. | :11:02. | |
who is due to play at Wimbledon next week, has been involved in a car | :11:03. | :11:06. | |
crash which led to the death of a 78-year-old man. | :11:07. | :11:08. | |
A police spokesman told the BBC they were investigating | :11:09. | :11:11. | |
the incident in Florida, which happened earlier this month. | :11:12. | :11:13. | |
Williams' lawyer said the tennis star "expresses her deepest | :11:14. | :11:16. | |
More than a quarter of women who are overdue for | :11:17. | :11:25. | |
a cervical cancer test don't know screening is available, | :11:26. | :11:27. | |
The charity found there was a particular lack | :11:28. | :11:31. | |
of awareness among women who spoke English as a second language. | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
Around 3,000 new cases are diagnosed every year and the charity says more | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
needs to be done to reach women who are missing tests. | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
Let us know your thoughts on knife crime. The number of knife crime | :11:49. | :12:00. | |
attacks in London has gone up quite dramatically this year. We are going | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
to be talking about why and what can be done to try to reverse the trend. | :12:05. | :12:07. | |
Use the hashtag Victoria live and If you text, you will be charged | :12:08. | :12:10. | |
Just days away from the start of Wimbledon, Johanna Konta is looking | :12:11. | :12:20. | |
in good form? Yes, it seems to be going pretty | :12:21. | :12:23. | |
well for her ahead of this year's Wimbledon. We know already she's not | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
the greatest grass court player and it is not her favourite surface | :12:29. | :12:31. | |
she's only of a won one match at Wimbledon which is something she | :12:32. | :12:34. | |
definitely going to be looking to improve this year. She won two | :12:35. | :12:37. | |
matches yesterday in the warm up tournament in Eastbourne. Firstly, | :12:38. | :12:44. | |
she came past French Open champion Jelena Ostapenko in three sets | :12:45. | :12:46. | |
before her quarterfinal against the world number one Angelique Kerber. | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
Johanna Konta took the first set 6-3, playing very well. But she fell | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
heavily on match point in the second set and the match was delayed for | :12:56. | :12:58. | |
about ten minutes as she had treatment. But she recovered and | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
eventually took her fourth match point and the second set 6- for some | :13:03. | :13:09. | |
good day at the British number one. -- 6-4. And Heather Watson is also | :13:10. | :13:12. | |
into the last four in Eastbourne with a win over Barbora Strycova. | :13:13. | :13:18. | |
She will take on former world number one Caroline Wozniacki later. | :13:19. | :13:21. | |
Johanna Konta faces birdseed Karolina Pliskova. Lots to look | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
forward to later. Good news for both of them but not so much for Andy | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
Murray because his sore hip means he pulled out of his final warm up | :13:31. | :13:34. | |
match, resting instead yesterday, and he said he is unlikely to be | :13:35. | :13:38. | |
able to practise today which is not ideal preparation for the number one | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
seed and the world number one. How about the world number 855? If you | :13:44. | :13:48. | |
don't know who he is, his name is Alex Ward, the only Briton to come | :13:49. | :13:51. | |
through singles qualifying for Wimbledon, doing it by coming from a | :13:52. | :13:56. | |
set down to beat Teymuraz Gabashvili in four sets in Roehampton. He will | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
be one of 12 British players in the main draw which is made in around an | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
hour. We will have news on that a bit later. It is made even more | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
amazing for Alex Ward as he was given a wild card just to get into | :14:11. | :14:14. | |
qualifying having lost his previous seven matches before this week. It | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
is a great result for him. So much for British tennis fans to look | :14:20. | :14:22. | |
forward to in the next couple of weeks. Johanna Konta and Heather -- | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
and Heather Watson's semifinals will be on BBC Two straight after this | :14:27. | :14:29. | |
programme. And we love an underdog is Alex Ward | :14:30. | :14:35. | |
will have lots of support! Huge match in rugby union this weekend | :14:36. | :14:38. | |
but it is the team selection for the Lions that has got everyone talking. | :14:39. | :14:44. | |
We spoke about the pressure the Lions are under yesterday. Warren | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
Gatland made some changes which have prompted raised eyebrows, former | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
Welsh international Jonathan Davies telling the BBC that Warren Gatland | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
had his last of the dice by putting Johnny Sexton and Owen Farrell in | :14:57. | :14:59. | |
the back line together. Former player Jeremy Guscott has called the | :15:00. | :15:02. | |
decision ambitious but said it could come at a cost, calling it a gamble. | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
The Lions must win the second Test against New Zealand in Wellington at | :15:08. | :15:10. | |
around this time tomorrow morning or they will hand the all Blacks the | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
series win. It is about character this week for us. It is about | :15:16. | :15:23. | |
manning up and putting everything on the line. It is that situation, | :15:24. | :15:30. | |
isn't it? It is do or die for us. Indeed it is, a big game tomorrow | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
morning, lots to look forward to. More sport later. | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
Documents obtained by BBC News show that the cladding originally due | :15:39. | :15:41. | |
to be installed on Grenfell Tower was changed to a version | :15:42. | :15:43. | |
The cladding was fitted as part of a refurbishment | :15:44. | :15:48. | |
and is thought to have contributed to the rapid spread of the blaze | :15:49. | :15:51. | |
that consumed the 24-storey block two weeks ago. | :15:52. | :15:57. | |
It comes as a meeting of senior councillors at Kensington | :15:58. | :15:59. | |
and Chelsea town hall last night, which was linked to | :16:00. | :16:01. | |
the Grenfell Tower tragedy, descended into chaos | :16:02. | :16:04. | |
when it was scrapped as journalists entered the room. | :16:05. | :16:14. | |
The media has been barred until a court order gave them permission to | :16:15. | :16:24. | |
attend. The leader of the council was confronted by opposition | :16:25. | :16:32. | |
councillors. This is a private meeting of the cabinet... Why are | :16:33. | :16:37. | |
the press here then? To which councillors have been invited. I've | :16:38. | :16:49. | |
agreed the meeting be held in private given the threats of | :16:50. | :16:55. | |
assaults. Are there journalists here. I'm advised if there are | :16:56. | :17:02. | |
others present we cannot have an open discussion. You have got | :17:03. | :17:08. | |
journal I haves in the room. I understand we can't have an open | :17:09. | :17:13. | |
discussion. You can't organise a cabinet meeting. We can't have an | :17:14. | :17:21. | |
unprejudiced meeting if journalists are recording and writing our | :17:22. | :17:26. | |
comments. Clearly they are, who let them in? You have spent a day | :17:27. | :17:29. | |
talking about the security of the meeting and five minutes before it | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
starts, the press are here. Now you're telling us we can't have a | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
proper meeting. The press are here as a result of legal representation, | :17:39. | :17:43. | |
that means we can't have the discussion we were intending to | :17:44. | :17:46. | |
have. That will prejudice the inquiry. That is the legal advice I | :17:47. | :17:50. | |
have received and I have to declare the meeting closed. You have used | :17:51. | :17:55. | |
this as an opportunity for you to make a statement and no one gets to | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
say anything. You could have issued that statement and you should have | :18:00. | :18:05. | |
issued that statement eight days ago. That statement has just been | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
issued. I would like to have a conversation, but I'm advised we | :18:11. | :18:20. | |
can't do that. An absolute fiasco, because of the incompetence this | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
council has shown since this happened. Thank you, my advice I we | :18:25. | :18:32. | |
can't continue. You telling us you're taking advice, you're taking | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
the wrong advice. You're not facing up even to your own councillors. Why | :18:37. | :18:51. | |
don't you come and talk to people? You saw Robert | :18:52. | :18:55. | |
Well you saw Robert Atkinson there, a labour councillor whose ward | :18:56. | :18:58. | |
includes Grenfell Tower, criticising the the way | :18:59. | :19:01. | |
He's been speaking to our reporter Dan Johnson | :19:02. | :19:04. | |
We went with the idea that we would be briefed as to | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
what the council is proposing to do in the longer term for the residents | :19:10. | :19:12. | |
to take care of the housing needs, not just of the victims but the | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
people of the surrounding area, so we had a whole series | :19:17. | :19:18. | |
of questions and wished to have a genuine debate. | :19:19. | :19:21. | |
The Leader of the Council read a statement, | :19:22. | :19:23. | |
ten days ago, and then once he became aware | :19:24. | :19:26. | |
he sought to change the meeting, which of course... | :19:27. | :19:29. | |
To close the meeting, which, of course, we | :19:30. | :19:31. | |
then challenged him and tried to ask our questions. | :19:32. | :19:33. | |
Would you rather the meeting had gone ahead without the | :19:34. | :19:39. | |
Well, initially, we were told that it | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
would be a private meeting and that we could be | :19:44. | :19:46. | |
frank with each other, but we ended up with the worst of | :19:47. | :19:49. | |
The residents have a right to meet with the leaders of | :19:50. | :19:53. | |
The leaders of the council have been hiding from the | :19:54. | :20:00. | |
residents for the last week, and they should | :20:01. | :20:02. | |
have had the courage to | :20:03. | :20:03. | |
meet with people and answer questions. | :20:04. | :20:05. | |
The least that we could do is to face the residents | :20:06. | :20:07. | |
face-to-face, and they are not prepared to do it. | :20:08. | :20:11. | |
I think they're frightened and they're in a panic, and they wish | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
to give the impression that they are in control. | :20:17. | :20:20. | |
And they're clearly not, as the entire nation saw last night. | :20:21. | :20:23. | |
They can't even organise a meeting in the basement of their own Town | :20:24. | :20:26. | |
What do you think should happen next? | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
I think that the leadership of the council and the | :20:31. | :20:32. | |
I think that the TMO organisation, which has | :20:33. | :20:38. | |
completely collapsed and failed to do anything in the last ten days, | :20:39. | :20:41. | |
They need to grasp hold of the housing and care needs of | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
their residents and they need to do something. | :20:47. | :20:48. | |
So, I'm now appealing to Tory backbenchers, who have now seen | :20:49. | :20:52. | |
for themselves the way that their Cabinet is not | :20:53. | :20:54. | |
coping, to get a grip and organise themselves. | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
Wouldn't a wholesale change of leadership at | :20:59. | :21:00. | |
the top of the council just cause more problems right now? | :21:01. | :21:05. | |
Well, that's one reason why we waited - we | :21:06. | :21:07. | |
did think that there might be more chaos, | :21:08. | :21:09. | |
but actually, we're now in a | :21:10. | :21:11. | |
situation where the other local authorities who have been supporting | :21:12. | :21:14. | |
us want to pull out, but they are not able | :21:15. | :21:17. | |
to pass responsibility, particularly not for the housing | :21:18. | :21:20. | |
needs, back to the council, because the council is not | :21:21. | :21:22. | |
functioning, which is why, at the end of the day | :21:23. | :21:25. | |
yesterday, I urged the Government to send | :21:26. | :21:28. | |
It's not often that a councillor calls for the abolition | :21:29. | :21:34. | |
of his own council, but at the end of the day, as everybody so, | :21:35. | :21:38. | |
You're saying Kensington and Chelsea just | :21:39. | :21:40. | |
isn't up to this and it needs to be a higher power that takes over? | :21:41. | :21:44. | |
Yes, it took the Government till last week to | :21:45. | :21:46. | |
get rid of the chief executive of the council. | :21:47. | :21:48. | |
The council couldn't even sack its own chief executive. | :21:49. | :21:51. | |
Now I'm saying to the Government, the council itself can't function, | :21:52. | :21:53. | |
so the Government needs to step in and appoint commissioners. | :21:54. | :22:21. | |
Members of press sought and acquired an injunction that was served on the | :22:22. | :22:28. | |
council. Members of press joined the meeting after it started. The | :22:29. | :22:32. | |
cabinet received legal advice that in order not to prejudice the public | :22:33. | :22:36. | |
inquiry the meeting could not proceed as it would not be possible | :22:37. | :22:41. | |
to restrict the discussion without straying into areas that would fall | :22:42. | :22:48. | |
into the remit of public inquiry. We will explore opportunity for open | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
discussions that don't prejudice the public inquiry. | :22:53. | :22:59. | |
So far, all of the 137 tests on cladding of high rise buildings | :23:00. | :23:02. | |
across the country have failed safety tests. | :23:03. | :23:03. | |
But the chair of the London Government Association Lord Porter | :23:04. | :23:06. | |
is now questioning the value of those tests. | :23:07. | :23:08. | |
That meeting, what a farce, what did you think seeing the pictures of | :23:09. | :23:17. | |
what happened? Seeing that didn't paint local government in the best | :23:18. | :23:20. | |
light. If I was running that council I would hope I would have the | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
ability to run it in a slightly different way than it happened last | :23:25. | :23:29. | |
night. You have to be careful how you organise meetings, particularly | :23:30. | :23:32. | |
around a sensitive issue and the public must be able to know what is | :23:33. | :23:39. | |
going on, so must the press. Should the meeting have gone on. I don't | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
know the things they know about the thing ts they were going to talk | :23:44. | :23:50. | |
about. If they thought it could prejudice the public inquiry, maybe | :23:51. | :23:54. | |
their advice was right. I can't imagine for myself that with | :23:55. | :23:58. | |
something so sensitive we would have dealt with it that way. It is not | :23:59. | :24:03. | |
like it is not being talked about elsewhere, we have the documents on | :24:04. | :24:08. | |
the cladding, these things are out there being talked about, the | :24:09. | :24:12. | |
residents are talking, it is hard to imagine what might have come up in | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
the meeting, but we don't know. To people looking on it just looks like | :24:18. | :24:22. | |
an attempt to try to shut down debate. But this subject is so large | :24:23. | :24:27. | |
and so wide and so far-fetched in terms of its impact that this debate | :24:28. | :24:33. | |
will not be able to be shut down. If anybody thinks there would be a | :24:34. | :24:38. | |
closed door cover up, they will be mistaken. It is not just Kensington | :24:39. | :24:45. | |
and Chelsea, you had a number of tower blocks, we have 17 councils, | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
27 social landlords and in the private checks, 12 tower blocks that | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
are owned privately have failed the test in and there is something wrong | :24:56. | :25:03. | |
the testing. It is not the panel, it is the way the experts have adviced | :25:04. | :25:06. | |
the Government to test the panel. The Government have been told by the | :25:07. | :25:13. | |
pecks erts, read -- by Tex perpts they should -- experts they should | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
test the core of the panel, not the whole panel. We need to do proper | :25:19. | :25:23. | |
fire checks on the insulation behind the panels. Again that is something | :25:24. | :25:29. | |
I want to come back to I still want to focus on Kensington and Chelsea, | :25:30. | :25:36. | |
because the Labour councillor Robert Atkinson, said it is time for the | :25:37. | :25:40. | |
senior leadership of the council to go and the cabinet, because they | :25:41. | :25:46. | |
can't command faith in the way they're handling the aftermath of | :25:47. | :25:51. | |
Grenfell Tower. Would you agree? It is not me for to agree or disagree, | :25:52. | :25:57. | |
as I said, I would hope if I was tested this way I wouldn't be | :25:58. | :26:01. | |
running the council meetings like that. It is not just about the | :26:02. | :26:07. | |
running of the meeting, but the way the residents are being treated, | :26:08. | :26:10. | |
they don't feel they're being heard and they're not being housed | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
properly, are they best placed to be handling this, are they doing a good | :26:15. | :26:19. | |
job? I don't know on the ground the exact job they're doing. I know from | :26:20. | :26:22. | |
what I have seen on the media that the people we should be focussing on | :26:23. | :26:27. | |
don't appear to be focussed on the way they should be. The people who | :26:28. | :26:33. | |
need the help do not feel they're getting it, therefore is it a pretty | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
obvious conclusion that the people who should be giving the house are | :26:39. | :26:41. | |
not doing a good job and it is time for someone else to take over? That | :26:42. | :26:47. | |
is for the members of Kensington or the Government to take care of. The | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
Local Government Association does haven't the ability to determine who | :26:52. | :26:56. | |
runs a council. You must are a view when you look at it and see what is | :26:57. | :27:02. | |
happening and there are calls for Nick Paget-Brown to go and others to | :27:03. | :27:09. | |
go, who could make them go? Can anybody make them go? The | :27:10. | :27:16. | |
councillors can do that if they call an emergency motion they can call a | :27:17. | :27:22. | |
motion of no confidence. Or the government can decide it is so bad | :27:23. | :27:26. | |
we are going to put a team of outside people in. And we would help | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
them do that. This is two week on, there are people who are struggling | :27:32. | :27:37. | |
and very unhappy and it doesn't take much thought to work out why. They | :27:38. | :27:41. | |
have lost everything. So two week on, is it time to say, you have had | :27:42. | :27:47. | |
your chance and you have not done what is required. It is time for the | :27:48. | :27:55. | |
member of Kenning sing -- Kensington and Chelsea to decide. I have only | :27:56. | :28:01. | |
seen snippets on the media. I can't offer a reasoned view, it would be | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
unreasonable for me to do and unkind for the victims to offer opinions | :28:07. | :28:09. | |
about who is best placed to run them. The victims are desperate for | :28:10. | :28:17. | |
people in authority to champion what they, how they feel, what they need. | :28:18. | :28:23. | |
We should all be doing that. All the councillors at Kensington and | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
Chelsea and around the country, I don't believe anybody's walking | :28:29. | :28:31. | |
through their normal lives at the moment. My own organisation has had | :28:32. | :28:37. | |
25 member of staff working on this because of the scale of the national | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
issue. I can't just concentrate on one council. I can't put into words | :28:42. | :28:46. | |
how I feel about the victims and how they have been treated now, I can't | :28:47. | :28:55. | |
do that. I would turn into an angry man shouting at the TV. At the | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
moment the biggest issue we are facing as a country, is everyone of | :29:01. | :29:05. | |
the tests has failed. It is not one or two people who has got it wrong, | :29:06. | :29:09. | |
it is everybody according to the people who have done the testing. | :29:10. | :29:14. | |
There are so many, there are so many elements to this, as you point out, | :29:15. | :29:20. | |
because of decision that have been made, councils are caught up in | :29:21. | :29:25. | |
this, people are caught up in this, they're in blocks and fear they're | :29:26. | :29:29. | |
not safe. The people who need help are those who are lost their loved | :29:30. | :29:34. | |
ones and lost everything that they held dear to them. They have got | :29:35. | :29:40. | |
nothing and you said you... You said you turned into an angry man several | :29:41. | :29:44. | |
times shouting at the TV, what has it been that has made you shout at | :29:45. | :29:49. | |
the TV. I can't say, I can't use the language I use when I'm shouting at | :29:50. | :29:55. | |
the TV. What is it that moves you to that? It is the whole thing, it is | :29:56. | :30:01. | |
the... Sadness, the anger, the fear, it is all of it. I have never in all | :30:02. | :30:06. | |
the time I have been in local government I have never experienced | :30:07. | :30:09. | |
the level of emotions that this is taking from people. And the way it | :30:10. | :30:13. | |
has affected everyone. I have seen grown people crying over things they | :30:14. | :30:18. | |
couldn't do and had no power to fix. This is biting into the personal | :30:19. | :30:21. | |
feelings of everybody who sees what is going on. | :30:22. | :30:27. | |
What will put it right for these people? Two weeks on, they don't | :30:28. | :30:32. | |
know where they are going to end up. They don't know if they will get to | :30:33. | :30:37. | |
stay in the local area. They should be able to stay in the accommodation | :30:38. | :30:41. | |
that is available. The trouble is, I don't know what the number of | :30:42. | :30:44. | |
available properties is in Kensington and Chelsea. Because I'm | :30:45. | :30:47. | |
not on the ground, I don't know what stock they have got available to | :30:48. | :30:52. | |
use. I can't answer those questions. Could this, I know that you don't | :30:53. | :30:56. | |
want a kind of say that people in the council have to go but it is | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
hard to imagine why it is taking so long, two weeks. Would other people | :31:00. | :31:05. | |
have done it differently? You have said you would handle the council | :31:06. | :31:08. | |
meeting differently. It is surely not beyond the wit of people to have | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
got together and it is a relatively small group of people, to have just | :31:13. | :31:18. | |
made sure that they were held close, championed, and that they weren't in | :31:19. | :31:21. | |
this position now. I don't disagree with you. So is it time for some to | :31:22. | :31:28. | |
take responsibility for the back that did not happen? The people on | :31:29. | :31:33. | |
the ground need to hold their own people to account. I can't do that. | :31:34. | :31:37. | |
Either the government or the local councillors need to determine who is | :31:38. | :31:41. | |
the right group of people to be running that situation. I'm not that | :31:42. | :31:45. | |
close to it to be able to make that call. I can't do it. The point to me | :31:46. | :31:49. | |
is that we have not said anything in the media at all as an organisation | :31:50. | :31:52. | |
until today because we have been trying to gather the facts across | :31:53. | :31:56. | |
the whole country. This isn't just a few people. It is not coming you | :31:57. | :32:02. | |
know, one borough. We have got 17 councils across the country, 27 | :32:03. | :32:06. | |
registered social landlords and at least, at the moment, 12 Private | :32:07. | :32:11. | |
tower blocks where the cladding has failed its tests. I am concerned | :32:12. | :32:15. | |
that the test is not the appropriate test to determine the safety of | :32:16. | :32:20. | |
those buildings. So on that, are you saying that you are concerned that | :32:21. | :32:25. | |
actually, some of the cladding is potentially OK and it does not have | :32:26. | :32:29. | |
to be taken off? Because obviously, this is an enormously expensive and | :32:30. | :32:33. | |
disruptive business. On the basis of the tests being carried out, I don't | :32:34. | :32:37. | |
think it is safe to say the cladding has failed. That cladding has a | :32:38. | :32:41. | |
safety certificate to say it is a safe and appropriate building | :32:42. | :32:45. | |
product. It has a good fire rating. If that is not the case, we have to | :32:46. | :32:50. | |
establish that but we can't do it just by drilling a small sample of | :32:51. | :32:54. | |
the core of the panel. We need to test the whole panel. We also need | :32:55. | :32:57. | |
to test the way the panels are fixed to the walls and we also need to | :32:58. | :33:01. | |
test the insulation that is the cavity fill sitting behind it. That | :33:02. | :33:06. | |
sounds so obvious and yet you are saying that is not the way it is | :33:07. | :33:10. | |
being tested? They are testing the call which is flammable. That is | :33:11. | :33:15. | |
another mess, isn't it? Who is responsible for it being done that | :33:16. | :33:20. | |
way? I'm not an expert and as far as I can see, it is the experts' fault. | :33:21. | :33:24. | |
The government have been advised by experts to do the test this way. I | :33:25. | :33:29. | |
think it is wrong. I think we need to do the tests properly but I'm not | :33:30. | :33:40. | |
an expert. Just on the choice of cladding for Grenfell Tower, it has | :33:41. | :33:42. | |
emerged, according to documents, that the original cladding that was | :33:43. | :33:45. | |
picked which was a think cladding was subsequently rejected and an | :33:46. | :33:46. | |
aluminium cladding was picked instead which saved ?300,000. -- a | :33:47. | :33:52. | |
zinc cladding was subsequently rejected. Was it penny-pinching and | :33:53. | :33:56. | |
if so, can you understand that in the context of a council that was | :33:57. | :33:59. | |
sitting on a cash pile of ?300 million? Erm, look, without going | :34:00. | :34:06. | |
into the complicated argument of the separation of how council finances | :34:07. | :34:10. | |
have do happen and how housing accounts have to be kept separate | :34:11. | :34:14. | |
from the general, normal fund account, the balance is available to | :34:15. | :34:17. | |
them were not ?300 million but they were large. I don't know if the | :34:18. | :34:24. | |
rationale behind the change was one of Finance or for athletics or | :34:25. | :34:27. | |
whatever but if it was changing one product that was suitable for | :34:28. | :34:31. | |
another product that was suitable, that should be the issue. Was the | :34:32. | :34:35. | |
product they put on fit for purpose? That is what we need to establish. | :34:36. | :34:39. | |
Were the panels on that tower fit for purpose and if they are, that | :34:40. | :34:44. | |
means we have a different problem. For the safety of everybody, we need | :34:45. | :34:54. | |
to work out what the problem is, not just jump on one thing, doing | :34:55. | :34:56. | |
inappropriate test and then blame it. We need to look at everything, | :34:57. | :34:59. | |
the insulation that is the cavity fill behind the panels and then we | :35:00. | :35:02. | |
need to look at the panels as a total panel. We need to be able to | :35:03. | :35:05. | |
get somebody basically to put the panel on top of fire and count how | :35:06. | :35:09. | |
long it takes for it burn. Just before we let you go, you have said | :35:10. | :35:13. | |
it is for local people to decide whether those running the council | :35:14. | :35:18. | |
should go, it is not for you to force anyone to go. But obviously, | :35:19. | :35:23. | |
people don't have to be forced out. They can decide to go themselves if | :35:24. | :35:26. | |
they don't feel they have been doing a good job. Presumably people will | :35:27. | :35:32. | |
be reflecting on whether they can actually feel they themselves have | :35:33. | :35:34. | |
done everything that they could. Would you urge people to reflect on | :35:35. | :35:41. | |
whether they have done everything they could? Everybody involved in | :35:42. | :35:45. | |
this, members, officers, they all need to look at themselves in the | :35:46. | :35:50. | |
mirror and say, "Did I do what I thought was right and could I have | :35:51. | :35:54. | |
done it any better?" I can't answer for them. Lord Porter, thank you | :35:55. | :35:56. | |
very much indeed for joining us. Annita is in the BBC | :35:57. | :36:04. | |
Newsroom with a summary Cladding fitted to Grenfell Tower | :36:05. | :36:10. | |
during its refurbishment was changed to a version which cost nearly | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
?300,000 less. Documents seen by the BBC have revealed this. At least 80 | :36:16. | :36:18. | |
people were killed when a tower block in West London was destroyed | :36:19. | :36:23. | |
by fire two weeks ago. The documents show officials originally chose a | :36:24. | :36:27. | |
zinc cladding but then decided upon a less fire retardant aluminium | :36:28. | :36:31. | |
version. Kensington and Chelsea Council says safety would not have | :36:32. | :36:35. | |
been compromised to manage budgets. A council meeting to discuss the | :36:36. | :36:39. | |
tragedy was called off last night within minutes of starting after a | :36:40. | :36:42. | |
row broke out over the attendance of members of the public and the press. | :36:43. | :36:46. | |
The council halted the meeting, claiming it would prejudice the | :36:47. | :36:50. | |
forthcoming public inquiry but London mayor Sadiq Khan said the | :36:51. | :36:51. | |
council's decision beggars belief. Meanwhile, a man has been charged | :36:52. | :36:53. | |
with fraud after allegedly claiming he lost family members | :36:54. | :36:56. | |
in the Grenfell Tower fire. Anh Nhu Nguyen, who's 52 | :36:57. | :36:58. | |
and of no fixed address, Some news just in, British consumers | :36:59. | :37:13. | |
have suffered the longest decline in their spending power since the | :37:14. | :37:18. | |
1970s, official data has just shown. Household disposable income, | :37:19. | :37:21. | |
adjusted for inflation, fell for the third quarter in a row, the Office | :37:22. | :37:24. | |
for National Statistics said. The parents of ten-month-old Charlie | :37:25. | :37:26. | |
Gard, who fought an unsuccessful legal battle to take him to America | :37:27. | :37:28. | |
for experimental treatment, say he will stop receiving | :37:29. | :37:31. | |
life-support today. Charlie has a rare genetic | :37:32. | :37:34. | |
condition and brain damage. Doctors at Great Ormond | :37:35. | :37:36. | |
Street Hospital said Chris Gard and Connie Yates say | :37:37. | :37:39. | |
they've now been told they will not be able to take their son | :37:40. | :37:47. | |
home to die. The German parliament has voted to | :37:48. | :37:56. | |
legalise same-sex marriage. The bill will grant gay and lesbian couples | :37:57. | :38:00. | |
full marital rights, including child adoption. It had been backed by most | :38:01. | :38:05. | |
of Germany's political parties although it was opposed by | :38:06. | :38:08. | |
conservative allies of Chancellor Merkel. She changed her mind to | :38:09. | :38:14. | |
allow the free vote. That is a summary of the latest news. More at | :38:15. | :38:15. | |
10am. Time for a sports update. | :38:16. | :38:23. | |
In around half an hour, we will see the draw for the first round of | :38:24. | :38:26. | |
Wimbledon taking place ahead of next week's tournament. Johanna Konta and | :38:27. | :38:31. | |
Heather Watson are tuning up nicely, both into the semifinals at the | :38:32. | :38:34. | |
Aegon Championships in Eastbourne. Johanna Konta with two wins | :38:35. | :38:37. | |
yesterday and survived a late injury scare to beat world number one | :38:38. | :38:41. | |
Angelique Kerber. She will play Karolina Pliskova later after | :38:42. | :38:45. | |
Watson's semifinal against Caroline Wozniacki. Men's number one seed | :38:46. | :38:49. | |
Andy Murray's preparations are not going well. He pulled out of his | :38:50. | :38:52. | |
final warm up match at hurling with a sore hip and could not train | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
yesterday. He says it is unlikely and he will be resting again today. | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
British and Irish Lions coach Andy Farrell says it's do or die ahead of | :39:02. | :39:04. | |
the second test against New Zealand tomorrow morning. Defeating | :39:05. | :39:07. | |
Wellington would mean the all Blacks take the series. After signing | :39:08. | :39:10. | |
Jermain Defoe yesterday, Paul Baysse for Bournemouth, they have this -- | :39:11. | :39:15. | |
they have signed defender Nathan Ake from Chelsea for a reported 20 -- a | :39:16. | :39:19. | |
reported ?20 million which would be a club record fee. The Dutch | :39:20. | :39:22. | |
international spent half of last season on loan at the vitality | :39:23. | :39:26. | |
stadium. More sport in half an hour, including the Wimbledon draw just | :39:27. | :39:27. | |
after 10am. Next, just three weeks | :39:28. | :39:30. | |
after Jeremy Corbyn's general election success, you may have | :39:31. | :39:34. | |
thought things would have settled But last night, three of his top | :39:35. | :39:36. | |
team were sacked after defying orders during the Queen's Speech | :39:37. | :39:40. | |
amendment votes and backing a call for the UK to stay in the single | :39:41. | :39:43. | |
market after Brexit. Shadow ministers Andy Slaughter, | :39:44. | :39:48. | |
Catherine West and Ruth Cadbury had supported the challenge made | :39:49. | :39:52. | |
by another Labour MP Chuka Umunna. Staying in the single market is not | :39:53. | :39:54. | |
Labour policy and the party's MPs Our political correspondent | :39:55. | :39:57. | |
is Alex Forsyth. What does this say about what is | :39:58. | :40:16. | |
going on within the Labour Party and within Parliament on the whole issue | :40:17. | :40:20. | |
of Brexit and what gets through? I think this lays bare the divisions | :40:21. | :40:23. | |
in the Labour Party over its approach to Brexit. We have long | :40:24. | :40:26. | |
known the Tories are divided over the EU which is usually what we talk | :40:27. | :40:30. | |
about but now we are seeing the differences in Labour and they are | :40:31. | :40:34. | |
subtle. As you say, this amendment was about staying in the single | :40:35. | :40:38. | |
market whereas Labour's official position is about having all the | :40:39. | :40:42. | |
benefits of the single market. Subtle but important. As you say, a | :40:43. | :40:51. | |
number of MPs voted against Jeremy Corbyn's instructions and backed the | :40:52. | :40:54. | |
amendment and we had those sackings and one resignation as a | :40:55. | :40:56. | |
consequence. What is interesting is how Jeremy Corbyn has handled it | :40:57. | :40:58. | |
because we know he has been used to dissenting voices among his own MPs | :40:59. | :41:03. | |
ever since he took over as Labour leader, really. Lots of the | :41:04. | :41:06. | |
parliamentarians in the Labour Party don't necessarily agree with all his | :41:07. | :41:09. | |
views and for a long time they did not support him as leader although | :41:10. | :41:12. | |
now many are falling into line behind him. But what Jeremy Corbyn | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
has done on this occasion is sack people and asserted his authority in | :41:18. | :41:21. | |
a way that he did not really do before the election. I think he | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
feels he has been emboldened by the election result and now has a | :41:26. | :41:30. | |
mandate. What that does not solve is Labour's position on Brexit. Thank | :41:31. | :41:31. | |
you for joining us. The life support system | :41:32. | :41:35. | |
for terminally-ill baby Charlie Gard will be switched off today, | :41:36. | :41:38. | |
after judges at the European Court of Human Rights rejected his | :41:39. | :41:41. | |
parents' plea for them to intervene. Connie Yates and Chris Gard | :41:42. | :41:44. | |
yesterday lost their final legal bid to take their son | :41:45. | :41:48. | |
to the US for treatment. Charlie is thought to be one of 16 | :41:49. | :41:52. | |
children in the world to have mitochondrial depletion syndrome, | :41:53. | :41:56. | |
which causes progressive muscle And the court agreed | :41:57. | :41:58. | |
with Great Ormond Street Hospital, saying further treatment | :41:59. | :42:05. | |
would cause him significant harm. After that ruling came in, | :42:06. | :42:08. | |
Connie and Chris took a little time away from their baby's bedside | :42:09. | :42:12. | |
yesterday, to record a message, released on YouTube, | :42:13. | :42:14. | |
for those who've supported them We've been talking | :42:15. | :42:16. | |
with Great Ormond Street since November last year, | :42:17. | :42:25. | |
when they first started talking about court, | :42:26. | :42:27. | |
about what palliative care meant, One option was to let | :42:28. | :42:29. | |
Charlie go in hospital. The other option was to let | :42:30. | :42:35. | |
Charlie go to a hospice. And the third option | :42:36. | :42:38. | |
was to let Charlie go home to So we chose to take | :42:39. | :42:41. | |
Charlie home to die. And we have said this for months, | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
that that is what we want, that is our last wish, if it | :42:46. | :42:48. | |
went this way, the way it's gone. And we've promised our little boy | :42:49. | :42:51. | |
every single day that we will take him home, because that is a promise | :42:52. | :42:55. | |
we thought we could keep. We want to give him a bath at home. | :42:56. | :43:00. | |
We want to sit on the sofa with him. We want to put him in a cot | :43:01. | :43:04. | |
he's never slept in. You know, we had a meeting yesterday | :43:05. | :43:10. | |
where we were told we were going to discuss our options, | :43:11. | :43:17. | |
and you know, we said we'd If that's not possible, | :43:18. | :43:20. | |
can we take him to a hospice? They said no to both, | :43:21. | :43:26. | |
he has to die in They said they couldn't | :43:27. | :43:29. | |
get transport to take us home, so we've offered | :43:30. | :43:33. | |
to pay for that privately, with a private team, | :43:34. | :43:36. | |
and they said that's not an option. You know, I'm sure you read | :43:37. | :43:41. | |
in the media that they've come out and said there's no rush, | :43:42. | :43:46. | |
no rush to do all this. We're working closely | :43:47. | :43:51. | |
with the family to arrange We've literally begged them | :43:52. | :43:53. | |
to give us this weekend. Some of our family | :43:54. | :43:59. | |
and friends can't come. The last time they saw | :44:00. | :44:01. | |
Charlie will be the last And he's still so stable - | :44:02. | :44:06. | |
that's what's so hard. As you probably see on our T-shirts, | :44:07. | :44:12. | |
if he's still fighting, And he's still fighting over there, | :44:13. | :44:19. | |
believe me, he's still fighting. He's a little fighter, | :44:20. | :44:24. | |
a little trooper and a soldier. And he's still fighting, | :44:25. | :44:26. | |
but we're not allowed Our parental rights have | :44:27. | :44:30. | |
been stripped away. We can't even take our | :44:31. | :44:33. | |
own son home to die. Do you not think we've | :44:34. | :44:36. | |
been put through enough? Our final wish, if it all went | :44:37. | :44:40. | |
against us, and we've had this conversation many times, if we lose, | :44:41. | :44:47. | |
can we take our little boy home to The 4th of August 2016 was the best | :44:48. | :44:50. | |
day of our lives, the The 30th of June 2017 | :44:51. | :44:56. | |
is going to be the We know what day our | :44:57. | :45:01. | |
son's going to die. We don't even get a say | :45:02. | :45:12. | |
in what happens to him. Charlie will die in Great Ormond | :45:13. | :45:14. | |
Street Hospital tomorrow. Thank you, everyone | :45:15. | :45:18. | |
for all your support. A month ago, Connie | :45:19. | :45:24. | |
and Chris were here with us on Victoria Derbyshire to talk | :45:25. | :45:27. | |
about their fight for Charlie. Victoria began by asking them | :45:28. | :45:29. | |
what the chance of taking him to America for treatment would mean | :45:30. | :45:32. | |
to them. It's literally life | :45:33. | :45:35. | |
or death, isn't it? So, if we don't get this | :45:36. | :45:38. | |
opportunity, he's going to die. So, he hasn't got | :45:39. | :45:40. | |
anything to lose, and we know that, even if it doesn't work, | :45:41. | :45:45. | |
which I think it will, we know that we've done everything | :45:46. | :45:49. | |
that we can for him. Like, we don't want to | :45:50. | :45:53. | |
live with that what if. They could have tried | :45:54. | :45:57. | |
the treatment here. And you know, we've had | :45:58. | :46:02. | |
to stomach the fact that they OK, we don't agree with that, | :46:03. | :46:04. | |
but we have to accept that. But the fact that they | :46:05. | :46:09. | |
are blocking us from taking him to another hospital | :46:10. | :46:13. | |
in the world with one of the leading I still to this day cannot | :46:14. | :46:16. | |
get my head around. They don't want to do | :46:17. | :46:23. | |
the treatment, but there is somewhere around there that does, | :46:24. | :46:31. | |
and they basically just kept him a prisoner there, | :46:32. | :46:33. | |
and our parental rights have been completely stripped, | :46:34. | :46:36. | |
the minute we took him in there, in hindsight, | :46:37. | :46:39. | |
we lost him, because, They've got complete | :46:40. | :46:41. | |
responsibility for him. When we got the appeal papers, | :46:42. | :46:47. | |
it says Connie Yates and Chris Gard versus Great Ormond | :46:48. | :46:50. | |
Street Hospital and Charlie Gard, It broke my heart when I | :46:51. | :46:52. | |
saw that, because how We are the ones that sit | :46:53. | :46:58. | |
there with him, day in, day out, we are staying 24 | :46:59. | :47:02. | |
hours at the moment. We love him with all our hearts, | :47:03. | :47:05. | |
and we can't take him to somewhere that may save | :47:06. | :47:10. | |
and improve his life. And we will fight to the bitter end | :47:11. | :47:14. | |
for him, and you know, whatever we have to go | :47:15. | :47:18. | |
through to get the chance that he needs, we are more | :47:19. | :47:22. | |
than willing to do, because They talk about their parental | :47:23. | :47:43. | |
rights having been stripped, why did they not have the right to do what | :47:44. | :47:48. | |
they thought was best for their son. It is a very sad case and people ask | :47:49. | :47:52. | |
why don't they have the right to do twla they want with their child and | :47:53. | :47:57. | |
decide what they think is in his interests. The law is clear the | :47:58. | :48:02. | |
rights of child take precedence over the rights of adult and after the | :48:03. | :48:08. | |
court has determined and a succession of courts have determined | :48:09. | :48:12. | |
what the best interests are for Charlie Gard, then those rights take | :48:13. | :48:17. | |
priority. The courts have decided it is in his best interest to have | :48:18. | :48:23. | |
palliative care and he could be exposed to suffering and be in | :48:24. | :48:27. | |
distress, although we can't tell because of his condition, because he | :48:28. | :48:32. | |
is being artificially kept alive. The courts are arguing on his behalf | :48:33. | :48:37. | |
against the parents. So what happens now, the life support will be | :48:38. | :48:44. | |
switched off today. Great Ormond Street after the European court | :48:45. | :48:49. | |
declined to take the case, because they backed the British court, | :48:50. | :48:53. | |
because they would not rush to change charm's care, but -- | :48:54. | :48:57. | |
Charlie's care, but they have been saying it is in his best interest to | :48:58. | :49:02. | |
allow him to die with dignity. While not pushing the parents into making | :49:03. | :49:06. | |
the decision with undue speed they have been saying it's time to | :49:07. | :49:10. | |
consider this and to do it and it seems Charlie's parents have | :49:11. | :49:15. | |
accepted this will happen today. You said there have been court rulings | :49:16. | :49:19. | |
on cases where there has been a conflict over what is the in the | :49:20. | :49:25. | |
child's best interest, does this case push any new boundaries in | :49:26. | :49:32. | |
terms of where the rights lie? No, but it underlines clearly that where | :49:33. | :49:37. | |
the courts are concerned that there is a difference between what the | :49:38. | :49:41. | |
parents think is in the best interest and what the courts decide | :49:42. | :49:50. | |
ultimately the courts will prevail. Great Ormond Street say, as with all | :49:51. | :49:54. | |
patients, they are not able to discuss the specific details, they | :49:55. | :50:00. | |
say it is a distressing situation for Charlie's parents and the staff | :50:01. | :50:03. | |
and their focus remains with them. Thank you. The number of women | :50:04. | :50:20. | |
having a cervical smear test are falling. We will talk about that. | :50:21. | :50:27. | |
Let us know your thoughts, have you ever deliberately not gone for a | :50:28. | :50:32. | |
smear test. Because you were worried about what it might be like. Do let | :50:33. | :50:36. | |
us know your thoughts on that. Knife crime is returning | :50:37. | :50:40. | |
to the levels of six years ago - signalling the end to a long, | :50:41. | :50:43. | |
slow fall that had been In London, the picture is shocking - | :50:44. | :50:45. | |
with four people killed Ten teenagers have been stabbed | :50:46. | :50:49. | |
to death in the capital this year. And in other parts of | :50:50. | :50:54. | |
the country is no less bleak. In the West Midlands, for example, | :50:55. | :50:57. | |
the number of knife crimes has more So why's it happening | :50:58. | :51:01. | |
and what can be done about it? With me in the studio | :51:02. | :51:06. | |
is Aaron Douglas-Letts, whose younger brother was murdered | :51:07. | :51:10. | |
last April, Noel Williams who mentors young people | :51:11. | :51:12. | |
looking to leave gang life, Chief Superintendant John Sutherland | :51:13. | :51:16. | |
from the Met Police and in our studio in Londonderry | :51:17. | :51:21. | |
is Michelle McPhillips, whose son JJ was stabbed | :51:22. | :51:24. | |
and killed earlier this year. If I can come to you Aaron, your | :51:25. | :51:39. | |
older brother was stabbed and killed this year. So you have had obviously | :51:40. | :51:43. | |
been touched in the worst possible way by this. What are your thoughts | :51:44. | :51:51. | |
on what is going on? Well, knife crime right now, it's always been | :51:52. | :51:57. | |
around, but now it is at an all time high and it is becoming ridiculous | :51:58. | :52:07. | |
why these young people are dying. My brother lost his life just over a | :52:08. | :52:11. | |
year ago. He was not in a gang. He was a young guy coming to the | :52:12. | :52:14. | |
transition of what he wanted to do with his life A trainee electrician | :52:15. | :52:21. | |
and he lost his life. The way he lost his life was, it was very grim, | :52:22. | :52:26. | |
it was in the afternoon, in broad daylight, not far from a school and | :52:27. | :52:34. | |
you know not far from where the London mayor, Siddique Khan was | :52:35. | :52:38. | |
living, he lost his life there and even until today we are trying to | :52:39. | :52:43. | |
find answers, why is this thing happening in the way it is. We have | :52:44. | :52:48. | |
a picture of your brother there. You told us a bit about him. Tell us a | :52:49. | :52:55. | |
bit more. Lewis, he was a normal child, his dad passed away, his mum | :52:56. | :53:00. | |
was a hard-working, she worked for the borough and he grew up in a nice | :53:01. | :53:06. | |
home, he loved animals, he wanted to do something with his life and he | :53:07. | :53:11. | |
got caught up in this knife crime, because he was at the wrong place at | :53:12. | :53:16. | |
the wrong time and he was innocents and he lost his life. Michelle, your | :53:17. | :53:23. | |
son was stabbed to death this year, our condolences go to you for your | :53:24. | :53:28. | |
loss, tell us what happened to your son and what your thoughts are on | :53:29. | :53:35. | |
kids carrying knives. My son Jonathan was standing on the steps | :53:36. | :53:39. | |
of town hall, he had gone out for the first time in two years for a | :53:40. | :53:45. | |
night out with his cousins and he approached a car where some six | :53:46. | :53:49. | |
people had surrounded a car with knives and were giving chase to | :53:50. | :53:52. | |
people. He obviously felt safe enough to go forward to give help | :53:53. | :53:58. | |
and they stabbed him straight in the heart. Knife crime is on the rise | :53:59. | :54:05. | |
again and it had been falling, I mean, is it an issue that you're | :54:06. | :54:11. | |
looking at in the broader sense as a result of what happened to your | :54:12. | :54:16. | |
family, or do you just kind of sort of obviously have to deal with it in | :54:17. | :54:22. | |
a personal way, do you have thoughts on the broader issues? The broader | :54:23. | :54:31. | |
issue is I'm now on the streets in the borough where I live trying to | :54:32. | :54:37. | |
get knife awareness, until my son got stabbed, I wasn't involved in | :54:38. | :54:41. | |
this, people look at it like it was another gang member, my son wasn't | :54:42. | :54:46. | |
in a gang and the more of the parents that I speak to, they're not | :54:47. | :54:53. | |
gang-related, they have just got caught up in something. My son was | :54:54. | :54:58. | |
where he was always, in upper Street where we have lived for 45 years. | :54:59. | :55:01. | |
The people in the wrong place at the wrong time doing wrong were the | :55:02. | :55:04. | |
people that turned up with the knives. What is the answer? I don't | :55:05. | :55:11. | |
know what the answer is. I think it is a very long slow process to get | :55:12. | :55:16. | |
an answer. I think stop and search needs to come back in and has to be | :55:17. | :55:22. | |
done in the hotspot areas and it has to be taken and done to the people | :55:23. | :55:30. | |
that are highlights the fact they're carrying knives and stop glamorising | :55:31. | :55:36. | |
it and put knives in a specialist shop if you want to buy a knife of a | :55:37. | :55:41. | |
certain size, you have to go with ID and show it. At the moment, where | :55:42. | :55:46. | |
are the knives coming from? Where on earth do you get a zombie knife and | :55:47. | :55:52. | |
why would you carry one to walk around the street. Noel, Michelle | :55:53. | :55:59. | |
and Aaron both saying their loved ones were not in gangs, you have | :56:00. | :56:06. | |
experience of gang life and work with youths in terms of youth | :56:07. | :56:13. | |
justice to try to change things, what is it about, what is going on? | :56:14. | :56:20. | |
Obviously, this thing of people getting caught up in a situation | :56:21. | :56:24. | |
where people have knives, why are they carrying them? It is a | :56:25. | :56:27. | |
difficult thing to sorts of get your mind around. I don't think we can | :56:28. | :56:35. | |
put one thing on it. You hear young people say they're scared and a lot | :56:36. | :56:40. | |
of people are already involved in this activity through their parents, | :56:41. | :56:44. | |
brothers, cousins, so it is generational. People are carrying | :56:45. | :56:49. | |
knives. To be frank when they're carrying the knives, as the woman | :56:50. | :56:54. | |
has just alluded to, a lot of people are committing crime with these | :56:55. | :56:58. | |
knives and I'm sure when that car was surrounded, they did to maybe | :56:59. | :57:03. | |
take the car or harm people in the car. We are not condoning that, what | :57:04. | :57:10. | |
I feel is for young people if you get caught with with a knife, we | :57:11. | :57:14. | |
have a law and you go to prison and you come out. To curb this epidemic, | :57:15. | :57:22. | |
we need to work with business, innovation and create skills and | :57:23. | :57:26. | |
opportunities for people not to be sitting idle in the same place and | :57:27. | :57:31. | |
lack of a cliche, not to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. We | :57:32. | :57:35. | |
need to put them in different places and teach them different skims so | :57:36. | :57:40. | |
they don't -- skills so they don't feel like walking around glamor | :57:41. | :57:48. | |
wising it, I think the media have a role, young people killed somebody | :57:49. | :57:53. | |
again, I know John will have his word, talk to a man like John and | :57:54. | :57:59. | |
even he feels it is time to maybe do some different approaches. John, | :58:00. | :58:04. | |
what do you think could be done? I think... I'm not just a policeman, | :58:05. | :58:12. | |
I'm a resident of this city and a dad. There must be a short and a | :58:13. | :58:16. | |
long-term approach. From a police point of view, the greatest | :58:17. | :58:21. | |
responsibility that a police officer has, and the greatest privilege a | :58:22. | :58:28. | |
police officer has is to save lives. That is what we have going to be | :58:29. | :58:34. | |
doing in the short-term n partnership with youth workers and | :58:35. | :58:38. | |
stop and search is important. My experience in nearly 25 years, stop | :58:39. | :58:42. | |
and search used properly saves lives. But we are kidding ourselves | :58:43. | :58:46. | |
if we think that is the whole answer. It is a short-term means of | :58:47. | :58:50. | |
stopping young people stabbing young people. In the longer term we have | :58:51. | :58:54. | |
got to understand the reasons why young people are picking up knives | :58:55. | :58:58. | |
and using them in the first place. We have got to be prepared as a | :58:59. | :59:03. | |
whole society to adopt a long-term approach. The London mayor says ?22 | :59:04. | :59:12. | |
million has been cut from youth groups since 2011 and 30 youth | :59:13. | :59:17. | |
centres have closed. Is that feeding into it. Yes austerity is key on all | :59:18. | :59:23. | |
fronts, as well as the police losing 20,000 people. These are things that | :59:24. | :59:28. | |
have an effect on how things will go forward. Lewis was a lovely young | :59:29. | :59:36. | |
man and I worked with him and he reaped the benefits of a charity we | :59:37. | :59:40. | |
had that was closed down and a year and a half later from that I'm sure | :59:41. | :59:45. | |
you can allude to it more, but young people have to come to family | :59:46. | :59:50. | |
members to try and further their skills in whatever career they | :59:51. | :59:54. | |
wanted to, because we don't have the places to help people. What do you | :59:55. | :00:03. | |
think? The summer holidays are coming up and young people need | :00:04. | :00:08. | |
something to do. These schemes are not reaching the young people, even | :00:09. | :00:12. | |
if you have events in place or plans to do for the summer, they're not | :00:13. | :00:18. | |
seeing it. They are not aware it will happen, so we need to reach out | :00:19. | :00:23. | |
to young people and make them aware by using social media, not just the | :00:24. | :00:28. | |
young people are not reading newspaper and they're on web-sites | :00:29. | :00:33. | |
and looking for way out, but nay need too see -- they need to see | :00:34. | :00:39. | |
what is available via social media. Thank you all very much for joining | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
us and sharing your thoughts on that. If you have any thoughts get | :00:44. | :00:46. | |
in touch. Now the weather. The weather is improving as we head | :00:47. | :00:58. | |
to the course of the weekend but for today, a mixed picture out there. We | :00:59. | :01:03. | |
can see that in the Weather Watchers pictures coming in, contrasting Kent | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
to cloudier, damp conditions in North Wales. We are seeing quite a | :01:09. | :01:14. | |
lot of cloud with drizzly outbreaks of rain across Scotland, northern | :01:15. | :01:17. | |
England, down across Wales and the south-west, quite blustery year. In | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
the south-east, sunnier spells but also the chance of a few scattered, | :01:22. | :01:27. | |
heavy showers. Temperature is about 14-16 in the north and west. Into | :01:28. | :01:32. | |
the south-east, 23 degrees or so but some isolated showers that could be | :01:33. | :01:35. | |
quite heavy. Showers will ease for most of us into this evening, a bit | :01:36. | :01:42. | |
of rain for Central and eastern England but tomorrow, rain clearing | :01:43. | :01:45. | |
away quickly and we are back to drier weather and spells of | :01:46. | :01:47. | |
sunshine, turning breezy and damp again for Scotland and Northern | :01:48. | :01:50. | |
Ireland later in the afternoon but with sunnier spells, highs of around | :01:51. | :01:54. | |
24. Sunday, foremost, looks like another dry bright day. -- for most | :01:55. | :01:57. | |
of us. Hello, it's Friday, it's 10 o'clock, | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
I'm Joanna Gosling. Documents seen by BBC News suggest | :02:03. | :02:05. | |
the cladding recently fitted on Grenfell Tower was | :02:06. | :02:07. | |
nearly ?300,000 cheaper This latest development | :02:08. | :02:09. | |
in the fire's aftermath comes as a council meeting last night | :02:10. | :02:12. | |
descended into chaos. An absolute fiasco, this is why I'm | :02:13. | :02:16. | |
calling for your resignation, not because of what happened | :02:17. | :02:20. | |
with the fire, but the sheer and ongoing incompetence that this | :02:21. | :02:24. | |
council has shown ever There is anger this morning here in | :02:25. | :02:38. | |
North Kensington with this apparent confirmation that money was saved | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
during the refurbishment of this building. People here want to know | :02:43. | :02:43. | |
why. The number of women having a smear | :02:44. | :02:44. | |
test to screen for cervical A leading cancer charity says more | :02:45. | :02:49. | |
than a quarter of those due one are not even aware they can be | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
tested for the disease. Donald Trump's travel ban takes | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
effect after months of controversy. People from six mainly Muslim | :02:58. | :03:00. | |
countries and all refugees will now face a tougher time getting | :03:01. | :03:02. | |
into the US. The president says it's | :03:03. | :03:04. | |
designed to stop terrorism. Also as the President is criticised | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
for another personal attack on an American newsreader, | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
we'll discuss the reaction Annita is in the BBC | :03:13. | :03:14. | |
Newsroom with a summary Cladding fitted to Grenfell Tower | :03:15. | :03:27. | |
during its refurbishment was changed to a version which cost nearly | :03:28. | :03:35. | |
?300,000 less, documents seen At least 80 people were | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
killed when the tower block in West London was destroyed | :03:39. | :03:44. | |
by fire two weeks ago. The documents show officials | :03:45. | :03:47. | |
originally chose a zinc cladding but then decided | :03:48. | :03:50. | |
upon a less fire retardant aluminium Kensington and Chelsea Council says | :03:51. | :03:53. | |
safety would not have The chairman of the Local Government | :03:54. | :04:06. | |
Association said more needs to be done to identify the root cause of | :04:07. | :04:09. | |
problems. I don't know whether the rationale behind the change was one | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
for finance or ascetics or whatever but if it was changing one product | :04:14. | :04:16. | |
that was suitable for another product that was suitable, that | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
should be the issue. Was the product they put on fit for purpose? That is | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
what we need to establish. Are the panels on that tower fit for | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
purpose? If they are, that means we have a different problem and for the | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
safety of everybody, we need to work out what that problem is, not just | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
jump on one thing, do an inappropriate test and then blame | :04:39. | :04:41. | |
it. We need to look at everything, the installation that is the cavity | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
fill behind the panels, and we need to look at the panels as a total | :04:47. | :04:50. | |
panel. We need to be able to get someone basically to put the panel | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
on top of fire and see how long it takes for to burn. | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
A council meeting to discuss the tragedy was called off last | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
night within minutes of starting after a row broke out over | :05:02. | :05:04. | |
the attendance of members of the public and the press. | :05:05. | :05:06. | |
The council halted the meeting, claiming it would prejudice | :05:07. | :05:08. | |
the forthcoming public inquiry but London mayor Sadiq Khan | :05:09. | :05:10. | |
said the council's decision beggars belief. | :05:11. | :05:12. | |
Meanwhile, a man has been charged with fraud after allegedly claiming | :05:13. | :05:14. | |
he lost family members in the Grenfell Tower fire. | :05:15. | :05:17. | |
Anh Nhu Nguyen, who's 52 and of no fixed address, | :05:18. | :05:20. | |
The parents of ten-month-old Charlie Gard, who fought an unsuccessful | :05:21. | :05:30. | |
legal battle to take him to America for experimental treatment, say he | :05:31. | :05:36. | |
will stop receiving life support today. | :05:37. | :05:38. | |
Charlie has a rare genetic condition and brain damage. | :05:39. | :05:40. | |
Doctors at Great Ormond Street Hospital said | :05:41. | :05:42. | |
Chris Gard and Connie Yates say they've now been told they will not | :05:43. | :05:48. | |
be able to take their son home to die. | :05:49. | :05:52. | |
The German parliament has voted to legalise same-sex marriage. | :05:53. | :05:55. | |
The bill will grant gay and lesbian couples | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
full marital rights, including child adoption. | :06:00. | :06:01. | |
It had been backed by most of Germany's political parties | :06:02. | :06:04. | |
although it was opposed by conservative allies of Chancellor | :06:05. | :06:06. | |
She changed her mind to allow a free vote. | :06:07. | :06:13. | |
Our Berlin correspondent Jenny Hill Thomas Moore. This all happened in a | :06:14. | :06:19. | |
very last minute and dramatic fashion. Earlier this week, Mrs | :06:20. | :06:23. | |
Merkel gave an interview during which she appeared to drop her | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
long-standing opposition to same-sex marriage and said that she would | :06:28. | :06:31. | |
give her MPs a free vote on the subject. That allowed her left-wing, | :06:32. | :06:37. | |
the political left here, opposition to effectively jump at the chance to | :06:38. | :06:40. | |
push through a bill they have been trying to get into Parliament for | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
many years. They managed to do it right at the last minute. Parliament | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
goes on its summer holidays tomorrow. Mrs Merkel, because she | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
had allowed her MPs a free vote, effectively gave Parliamentary | :06:54. | :06:54. | |
approval. Jenny Hill, there. Let's get a sports update. | :06:55. | :07:11. | |
Good morning again, we're patiently awaiting the draw for the first | :07:12. | :07:14. | |
round of Wimbledon, things just getting underway at the All-England | :07:15. | :07:17. | |
Club and we will have details for you later but there are high hopes | :07:18. | :07:20. | |
for British players next week, Johanna Konta's grass court form is | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
steadily improving as she reached the semifinals of the Aegon | :07:26. | :07:27. | |
Championships in Eastbourne yesterday, getting past the French | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
Open champion, Jelena Ostapenko in three sets before a quarterfinal | :07:32. | :07:33. | |
against the world number one Angelique Kerber. Johanna Konta took | :07:34. | :07:38. | |
the first set 6-3, playing very well. She fell heavily on match | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
point in the second set. The match was delayed for ten minutes as she | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
was treated. But she recovered to eventually take her fourth match | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
point and the second set, 6-4. A good win for her. Heather Watson is | :07:53. | :07:58. | |
also doing very well, also into the last four having beaten Barbora | :07:59. | :08:01. | |
Strycova. She will take on former world number one Caroline Wozniacki | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
later. Johanna Konta will face third seed Karolina Pliskova. | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
Andy Murray should have been playing an exhibition match in London today | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
but has pulled out with a sore hip. He is due to start a practice | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
session this morning at Wimbledon but his coach Ivan Lendl told our | :08:18. | :08:20. | |
correspondent David Ornstein today that Andy Murray was doing great so | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
we will keep our fingers crossed for the defending Wimbledon champion and | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
world number one. Alex Ward, the world number 855, is | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
the only Briton to come through singles qualifying for Wimbledon, | :08:33. | :08:38. | |
coming from a set down to beat Russia's Teymuraz Gabashvili in four | :08:39. | :08:41. | |
set at Roehampton. He was given a wild card to play in qualifying and | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
had lost his last seven straight matches before this week so a great | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
result for him. You can watch you Hannah quanta and Heather Watson in | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
Eastbourne action on BBC Two this morning from 11am. In rugby union, a | :08:54. | :08:59. | |
crucial game coming up for the British and Irish Lions and Warren | :09:00. | :09:02. | |
Gatland's selection for the second Test against New Zealand has been | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
somewhat criticised. Former Wales international Jonathan Davies things | :09:08. | :09:10. | |
Gatland is using the last role of the dice by putting Johnny Sexton | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
and Owen Farrell together. Former Lions player Jeremy Guscott think | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
the decision is ambitious, calling it a gamble. The Lions must win | :09:18. | :09:20. | |
tomorrow morning in Wellington or they will hand the all Blacks this | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
series win. It is about character this week for us. It is about | :09:26. | :09:33. | |
manning up and putting everything on the line because it is that | :09:34. | :09:40. | |
situation, isn't it? It is do or die for us. There is nothing a mother | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
wouldn't do for their son, even if you are a grown man playing in a | :09:45. | :09:48. | |
professional golf tournament. China's Lee Hao-tong Li his putter | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
into the water at the 11th at the French Open after a bit of a tantrum | :09:53. | :09:57. | |
and about 20 minutes later, his mum waded into needy water to find it. | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
She attracted a bit of attention from the other players on the course | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
as they watched. She found the putter, but realised it had been | :10:06. | :10:09. | |
broken into macro, her efforts sending some of the players into | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
fits of laughter as they watched her efforts. Listen, if I dropped my | :10:15. | :10:17. | |
life savings into the bottom of the pond, I think my mum would be | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
getting in there, I don't think. She deserves a medal for her efforts. | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
News just in, Andy Murray will face either a qualifier or a lucky loser | :10:27. | :10:29. | |
in the first round of Wimbledon. More on that draw later in the hour. | :10:30. | :10:38. | |
Fresh controversy this morning in the Grenfell Tower aftermath, it | :10:39. | :10:42. | |
seems the cladding due to be originally installed on the high | :10:43. | :10:45. | |
rise was changed to a version which cost nearly ?300,000 less. The | :10:46. | :10:48. | |
cladding is thought to have contributed to the rapid spread of | :10:49. | :10:51. | |
the fire that consumed the 24 story block two weeks ago. Nick Beake is | :10:52. | :10:59. | |
in west London for us. So, a lot has been emerging about the choices that | :11:00. | :11:03. | |
were made and what happened at the tower block. What is the reaction to | :11:04. | :11:06. | |
the latest report that the cladding was changed and nearly ?300,000 was | :11:07. | :11:15. | |
saved as a result? People are extremely angry you. Remember, the | :11:16. | :11:18. | |
refurbishment cost ?10 million and as part of it, the cladding was put | :11:19. | :11:21. | |
on the side of the building. We at the reason for that was to improve | :11:22. | :11:24. | |
insulation but also to the appearance of the building. | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
Crucially, though, residents were told the cladding would-be zinc. But | :11:29. | :11:36. | |
the BBC has seen the documents from 2014 that show quite clearly the | :11:37. | :11:39. | |
list of potential savings was put forward and within that, the | :11:40. | :11:42. | |
decision was taken, it would appear, not to go with zinc cladding, which | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
had a fire retardant CORBA to go with aluminium cladding instead. | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
That -- a fire retardant for but to go with aluminium cladding which | :11:53. | :11:59. | |
would have saved almost ?300,000, the documents suggest. It is not in | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
any way suggested that fire safety regulations were diminished or that | :12:04. | :12:06. | |
this was done to reduce fire safety by the BBC has been told a key | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
consideration in this was to save money and so it appears this | :12:11. | :12:13. | |
decision was taken. It is worth pointing out that the material that | :12:14. | :12:19. | |
went up is in the same kind of bracket as other materials the | :12:20. | :12:21. | |
company which was responsible for installing the cladding could put | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
on. It was the same kind of European standard but as we know, the police | :12:27. | :12:29. | |
have subsequently said the cladding that went up on Grenfell Tower | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
failed a safety test. It is still unclear as to whether that cladding | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
was legal or not for a tower block like that. They're just does not | :12:40. | :12:45. | |
seem to be a definitive answer. -- they're just does not. Know, and for | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
lots of people living in North Kensington, there is confusion | :12:50. | :12:52. | |
because on the one hand, we hear that as I mentioned, the kind of | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
material that was going up during the refurbishment was at the | :12:57. | :12:59. | |
appropriate European safety level. But subsequently, the police have | :13:00. | :13:02. | |
said it has failed a fire safety test and we have seen countless | :13:03. | :13:05. | |
other blocks across the country where that has been deemed to be the | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
case. Obviously, a criminal investigation is going on and the | :13:10. | :13:20. | |
public inquiry to come, where these questions will be looked at in | :13:21. | :13:22. | |
detail but for people here who remain angry, many out of a home, | :13:23. | :13:25. | |
and dealing with the huge tragedy of what is going on, grieving, this | :13:26. | :13:27. | |
adds to the confusion but also today, with this confirmation that | :13:28. | :13:29. | |
potentially ?300,000 was saved, it underlines and maybe reinforces | :13:30. | :13:32. | |
suspicions people had that there was a possibility of saving money during | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
this refurbishment. Thank you for joining us. | :13:37. | :13:39. | |
Dr Ahmed Kazmi is a GP at a surgery close to Grenfell Tower, | :13:40. | :13:42. | |
He's spent the last fortnight supporting his patients | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
who have lost loved ones, been left homeless or coming | :13:47. | :13:48. | |
to terms with witnessing the horrors of the fire, | :13:49. | :13:50. | |
and is also working with the police who are trying | :13:51. | :13:53. | |
Thank you for joining us. I think at least ten of your patients died in | :13:54. | :14:03. | |
the tower, is that right? We are still awaiting confirmation but we | :14:04. | :14:07. | |
think that will be the number from the surgery. So tell us more about | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
what you have done since the fire. On the morning of the fire, it was | :14:12. | :14:15. | |
quite an interesting day and if you will allow me, I wanted to share my | :14:16. | :14:18. | |
experience of being at the rescue centre. I know there has been a lot | :14:19. | :14:23. | |
of talk recently about some of the more controversial aspects of the | :14:24. | :14:26. | |
Grenfell Tower fire but I actually had quite a profoundly moving | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
experience in the rescue centre. You know, I went in there not sure what | :14:31. | :14:34. | |
to expect or what state I would find people in but the unity and the | :14:35. | :14:38. | |
solidarity that I felt there, and the way everyone was so dignified | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
and coming together, the local residents as well as the local | :14:43. | :14:45. | |
population and people from further afield, it was really quite | :14:46. | :14:49. | |
beautiful to witness. I certainly hadn't ever felt as proud to be a | :14:50. | :14:52. | |
member of that area as I was that day and I think that is a real | :14:53. | :14:56. | |
credit to the residents and the people. I wanted to share that. I | :14:57. | :15:00. | |
think everyone has taken heart from how people have come together on the | :15:01. | :15:05. | |
ground. Definitely. It is always a good thing to see. But in terms of | :15:06. | :15:10. | |
what your patients need now, are they coming to the surgery as a | :15:11. | :15:16. | |
point of contact? What are they coming about? Their main needs are | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
twofold. On the one hand, practical issues like housing and clothing and | :15:21. | :15:26. | |
money and passports, appointments, medication. You have got all of | :15:27. | :15:29. | |
those kind of things that you require when you are starting from | :15:30. | :15:32. | |
scratch again. On the other side of that also is the emotional support, | :15:33. | :15:36. | |
the psychological support that comes from the consequences of having had | :15:37. | :15:42. | |
a catastrophic event occur. What has been again quite heartening to see | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
is that I have had lots of patients coming who have had positive | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
experiences of help Sith Grenfell Tower -- since Grenfell Tower. I | :15:52. | :15:54. | |
spoke to a lady who used to be resident in the tower and I asked | :15:55. | :15:57. | |
what she was doing for clothes and money and whether she was OK and she | :15:58. | :16:00. | |
was proud to say, she pointed to her dress and said she had had donations | :16:01. | :16:03. | |
and now she had received money and she could go shopping. Another lady, | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
I asked if the paperwork was OK and she had documents and she said she | :16:09. | :16:11. | |
was happy because she'd gone to the Westway Centre and in one day, they | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
turned around and gave her a passport. I think it is important to | :16:16. | :16:18. | |
mention as well because sometimes we just talk about the things that have | :16:19. | :16:19. | |
not worked. On mental health, we have heard | :16:20. | :16:30. | |
people speaking, clearly traumatised, they need support, are | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
you the first point of contact, are you able to get quick referrals, | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
because you know in the normal scheme of things a referral takes a | :16:40. | :16:47. | |
long time. You're right and under usual circumstances, people often | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
wait. The primary mental health team have done a lovely job and there is | :16:53. | :16:57. | |
a 24 hour telephone line, you can see the GP and there is a single | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
point of entry access to mental health care. That support is on | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
hand. I would again want to share with people that I think there is a | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
risk to make pathological what is actually normal sometimes. So when | :17:12. | :17:17. | |
you're faced with this degree of catastrophe, to have bad dreams, in | :17:18. | :17:23. | |
the short-term, for the immediate weeks after it to have a sense of | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
panic to grieve, all these are normal emotions to have in relation | :17:29. | :17:33. | |
to that event. I would encourage people to speak to their GP and the | :17:34. | :17:42. | |
mental health care, for most people the initial involvement will be what | :17:43. | :17:47. | |
we call watchful waiting, you offer support and witness their grief, but | :17:48. | :17:51. | |
a large number of these will resolve by themselves. It is more | :17:52. | :17:56. | |
individuals at high risk of post-traumatic stress disorder, if | :17:57. | :18:02. | |
you had a preexisting mental health condition or have had experience of | :18:03. | :18:08. | |
tragedy, they are at risk of having an unusual or prolonged response to | :18:09. | :18:13. | |
this. So we try to involve specialists early on. You're | :18:14. | :18:18. | |
involved in helping to identify the bodies, what are you doing in that | :18:19. | :18:23. | |
context? That is a bit of a difficult question to answer, I'm | :18:24. | :18:26. | |
not sure how much I'm allowed to say, because of the nature of the | :18:27. | :18:33. | |
disaster, sometimes identifying it difficult. There were so many | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
children involved and may not have seen a dentist and there is no | :18:39. | :18:44. | |
dentist records. So we will try and get a blood test. So it is trying to | :18:45. | :18:49. | |
marry the information that the primary care team has that may use | :18:50. | :18:56. | |
to the police to identify people. Do you have, based on the conversations | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
that you have had of you on what the final death toll might be, that is, | :19:02. | :19:05. | |
there is so much frustration around this? No, I think most people who | :19:06. | :19:11. | |
live and work in the area, myself included, do believe that the death | :19:12. | :19:16. | |
toll will continue to rise. I understand the logistics of trying | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
to get that number is complicated and difficult. So I don't know will | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
have to happen to get a count. But we are expecting to see it rise. If | :19:25. | :19:31. | |
it is OK I want to give a couple of practical tips for the dispossessed. | :19:32. | :19:37. | |
One problem that GPs have faced in is in contacting their patients. | :19:38. | :19:41. | |
Many people change their telephone number and don't update wit the GP. | :19:42. | :19:46. | |
We go to ring them and the number is out of service and we can't write to | :19:47. | :19:52. | |
them. If I urge anyone dispossessed if you were a resident at Gren, | :19:53. | :20:00. | |
contact your GP and let them know you have been dispossessed. And give | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
them details. A lot of vulnerable people lived in the blocks and they | :20:05. | :20:08. | |
have been moved and some didn't have immediate next of kin. Contacting | :20:09. | :20:14. | |
them is really difficult for GPs. So if anyone is aware if you have a | :20:15. | :20:18. | |
friend or relative who has been moved, give their GP a call. Are you | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
worried about these people who have gone off the radar? Yes, 100%, that | :20:23. | :20:30. | |
is one of biggest obstacles we have faced is first working out who is | :20:31. | :20:37. | |
deceased and who is alive and who is alive how we contact them. We came | :20:38. | :20:41. | |
up with a list of people resident in the tower and we rang them to do | :20:42. | :20:49. | |
comfort calls. A man had changed his number, we can't write to him, we | :20:50. | :20:53. | |
have to wait for them to come into the surgery and we with mark them | :20:54. | :21:03. | |
safe. But we have a raft of support to share, for Social Services and | :21:04. | :21:08. | |
housing and mental health line, to give that to patients, we need to be | :21:09. | :21:17. | |
able to contact them. . One obstacle has been in getting that | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
information. So maybe if we could work together. How many former | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
residents have you been able to speak to and help? At the moment, | :21:26. | :21:31. | |
I'm seeing about ten regularly either by telephone or a lot as | :21:32. | :21:37. | |
well, the patients were in a deprived area of London, the tower | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
resident were quite deprived and they have already a higher burden of | :21:43. | :21:50. | |
psychological and physical problems and their access of help, there is | :21:51. | :21:58. | |
more obstacles. On a good day they may not engage with the GP as much, | :21:59. | :22:04. | |
now they have had a tragedy and they have been displaced, we are trying | :22:05. | :22:10. | |
to b flexible and offer telephone consultations and a lot of GPs in | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
the area, we are aware sometimes getting a GP appointment can be | :22:15. | :22:18. | |
difficult, we have adviced is another tip is that most GPs in the | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
area will offer a walk in service if you're a dispossessed patient. You | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
need to make sure you mention that. If they say they're booked, mention | :22:28. | :22:32. | |
I'm a patient that had to move home and you will almost certainly be | :22:33. | :22:38. | |
seen on the same day. This must have tested you like nothing you have | :22:39. | :22:41. | |
encountered? Yes it has been difficult. My training, I have been | :22:42. | :22:49. | |
a doctor almost ten years, I have never been exposed to this kind of | :22:50. | :22:54. | |
catastrophe, it doesn't come with a text book so, it about testing and | :22:55. | :23:00. | |
the human element, everyone feels it, you feel such empathy for these | :23:01. | :23:04. | |
people to have such a thing happen, one thing we learn as a doctor is | :23:05. | :23:11. | |
how your professional empathy is different to how you may feel if | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
somebody were your sibling. You can show come passion, but that still a | :23:17. | :23:25. | |
allow yos tow function and -- allow yos s you to work and I have been | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
able to offer people a service and help them in the situation. I know | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
that, obviously, the work you do does take you down the difficult | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
path and you have sort of, channel in a different drebs to try to -- | :23:41. | :23:46. | |
direction. I know the chat has been serious and I have come across as | :23:47. | :23:51. | |
earnest. But I'm a comedian as well and I took to comedy, because I | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
found my job was intense and stressful and I needed a outlet. My | :23:57. | :24:02. | |
London debut is tonight. I didn't know whether it was appropriate, I | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
discussed it with the practice and my family and we decided dark times | :24:08. | :24:12. | |
need some happiness too. I will do the show tonight and I will give | :24:13. | :24:20. | |
100% of the profits to the fund and also I have offered some free | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
tickets to anyone who has had hardship or done well or volunteered | :24:25. | :24:28. | |
and I contacted the ambulance and fire service. If anybody knows | :24:29. | :24:36. | |
somebody who will benefit, contact me through social media and I will | :24:37. | :24:44. | |
extend a free ticket. Do you draw on your work for material? Yes. It is | :24:45. | :24:51. | |
about... Dark humour? It is light-hearted about the funny side | :24:52. | :24:55. | |
of bag doctor, but I don't breach any confidentiality and it is about | :24:56. | :25:02. | |
common things people do. Like? Like you know, men over exposing them to | :25:03. | :25:08. | |
show their doctor their bits. Little kids crying. Just fun things. Good | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
luck with that. Thank you for coming? In. | :25:14. | :25:16. | |
Still to come - President Trump gets his way, sort of - | :25:17. | :25:19. | |
a modified ban on travellers from six mainly Muslim | :25:20. | :25:21. | |
nations finally comes into forceand his | :25:22. | :25:23. | |
The uptake for cervical screening in the UK is falling year on year. | :25:24. | :25:41. | |
A study by Cancer Research UK suggests that more than a quarter | :25:42. | :25:43. | |
of women who are overdue a smear test are unaware there | :25:44. | :25:46. | |
About half of those due a test said they were putting it off. | :25:47. | :25:51. | |
Yet those women most at risk of cervical cancer | :25:52. | :25:55. | |
Now let's speak to Beckii Mallett who's 26 and ignored | :25:56. | :26:02. | |
She's joining us from Boston in Lincolnshire. | :26:03. | :26:05. | |
We can also speak to Lucy Maxwell whose mother died of cervical | :26:06. | :26:08. | |
Thank you both very much. Lucy, your mother dying when you were just nine | :26:09. | :26:24. | |
of cervical cancer will have made you aware of the importance of | :26:25. | :26:33. | |
testing, what is your view of that? Well, I'm often asked did she miss | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
her smears, the answer is he didn't live long enough for me to ask. I | :26:39. | :26:45. | |
assume she did, by the time her cancer was found it was very | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
advanced. Your smear is not to find cancer, but to look for early signs, | :26:51. | :26:57. | |
the precancer cells that can be treated effectively and we can stop | :26:58. | :27:04. | |
the cancer in its tracks. My mother's death resulted in my father | :27:05. | :27:10. | |
setting up a cancer trust, which I'm on the board and so I'm a trustee | :27:11. | :27:17. | |
and we do work trying to keep people informed as to why it is important | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
to show up when you're invited, what the experience will be like, try and | :27:22. | :27:27. | |
put people at ease. If everybody took up testing, are you saying | :27:28. | :27:35. | |
nobody need die of kerveical cancer -- cervical cancer. We we can't | :27:36. | :27:41. | |
that, but we know we can prevent the cancer. It is preventing the cancer | :27:42. | :27:46. | |
before it reaches that stage. But we know that screening prevents | :27:47. | :27:50. | |
thousands of deaths a year. There is research to show that. Becky, you're | :27:51. | :27:57. | |
26 and you're joining us from a hospital car park, because you're | :27:58. | :28:03. | |
there for a test, having discovered that I you did have about normal | :28:04. | :28:07. | |
cells. You found that out having not gone for screening for some time. | :28:08. | :28:10. | |
Tell us what your situation has been. Yes, so a few years ago I did | :28:11. | :28:19. | |
suffer from a lot of pelvic pains, which I did go for a cervical | :28:20. | :28:26. | |
screening, which the test came back clear. That was procedure for me was | :28:27. | :28:33. | |
quite uncomfortable, quite painful. So I sort of... Tried to put off the | :28:34. | :28:40. | |
other cervical screening, when I got a letter, I ignored the letters. I | :28:41. | :28:47. | |
must have ignored about 15 to 20 letters. For me, because I found the | :28:48. | :28:54. | |
last procedure quite uncomfortable for me. But I just decided to go | :28:55. | :29:06. | |
and, yes, they found low grade about normal cells and the HPV infection. | :29:07. | :29:11. | |
I have come to go for another cervical screening to make sure how | :29:12. | :29:19. | |
serious it is. You say obviously that you ignored the letters, having | :29:20. | :29:25. | |
done that, and then gone and then discovered you have the about normal | :29:26. | :29:31. | |
cells, how tufl about the -- do you feel about the fact you waited so | :29:32. | :29:35. | |
long? When I got the letter to say that they had found about normal | :29:36. | :29:39. | |
cells, to be fair I did break down in tears. I think I was just, quite | :29:40. | :29:44. | |
quite mad at myself for leaving it too long. But I was also grateful | :29:45. | :29:50. | |
that I had been, because I would have shuddered to think what | :29:51. | :29:54. | |
situation I would have put myself in if I ignored it for another two | :29:55. | :30:02. | |
years or so. So I'm pleased. Is it sort of the early stage of abnormal | :30:03. | :30:07. | |
cells, we were hearing Lucy saying it is treatable if xaugt early on. | :30:08. | :30:14. | |
-- caught early on. Yes the letter explained it was low grade about | :30:15. | :30:20. | |
normal cells, and when they find the low grade abnormal cells that is | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
whoo enthink test for the PPV infection. They find you have the | :30:25. | :30:34. | |
HPV they transfer you to the gynaecologist at the hospital and | :30:35. | :30:40. | |
here where I'm just about to go now, they will have just another look to | :30:41. | :30:48. | |
see how serious it is and then if they find that I have abnormal | :30:49. | :30:56. | |
cells, they will then... Do a little laider treatment to get -- laser | :30:57. | :31:00. | |
treatment and they should be able to treat it today if they find it is | :31:01. | :31:03. | |
serious though. Let's hope it all goes well for you. | :31:04. | :31:16. | |
Is that a typical story, people don't concern about concerns about | :31:17. | :31:23. | |
how uncomfortable it might be, how painful the processes? Absolutely, | :31:24. | :31:26. | |
we put it off all the time, I put it off because I was embarrassed, I | :31:27. | :31:30. | |
thought it would be painful. We always try and say, you know, | :31:31. | :31:34. | |
absolutely it is not the most pleasant thing in the world but it | :31:35. | :31:37. | |
takes five minutes and it could honestly save your life. We see | :31:38. | :31:42. | |
women come through the charity, brilliant women who have survived | :31:43. | :31:45. | |
cervical cancer who say there is no question they would be dead if they | :31:46. | :31:48. | |
had not shown up for that smear test at that time. Timing is crucial. So | :31:49. | :31:53. | |
please go if you are invited. It is so important as we have just heard, | :31:54. | :31:59. | |
particularly because it can be caught at the critical, early-stage | :32:00. | :32:03. | |
and dealt with very effectively. Thank you for joining us. We wish | :32:04. | :32:07. | |
you the best with what happens at the hospital today, thank you. | :32:08. | :32:09. | |
The latest attempts to restore the power sharing executive | :32:10. | :32:12. | |
We look at what obstacles are in the path preventing | :32:13. | :32:17. | |
Sexism in the dance music industry. The ten richest DJs are named and | :32:18. | :32:29. | |
none of them are women so why are there so few females at the top? We | :32:30. | :32:32. | |
speak to two women working in the business. | :32:33. | :32:36. | |
Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary | :32:37. | :32:38. | |
Cladding fitted to Grenfell Tower during its refurbishment was changed | :32:39. | :32:46. | |
to a version which cost nearly ?300,000 less, documents seen | :32:47. | :32:49. | |
At least 80 people were killed when the tower | :32:50. | :32:54. | |
block in west London was destroyed by fire two weeks ago. | :32:55. | :32:56. | |
The documents show officials originally chose a | :32:57. | :33:01. | |
zinc cladding but then decided upon a less fire | :33:02. | :33:03. | |
Kensington and Chelsea Council says safety would not have | :33:04. | :33:06. | |
A council meeting to discuss the tragedy was called off last | :33:07. | :33:14. | |
night within minutes of starting after a row broke out over | :33:15. | :33:16. | |
the attendance of members of the public and the press. | :33:17. | :33:20. | |
The council halted the meeting, claiming it would prejudice | :33:21. | :33:22. | |
the forthcoming public inquiry but London mayor Sadiq Khan | :33:23. | :33:24. | |
said the council's decision beggars belief. | :33:25. | :33:32. | |
The parents of ten-month-old Charlie Gard, who fought an unsuccessful | :33:33. | :33:35. | |
legal battle to take him to America for experimental treatment, say he | :33:36. | :33:39. | |
will stop receiving life support today. | :33:40. | :33:41. | |
Charlie has a rare genetic condition and brain damage. | :33:42. | :33:43. | |
Doctors at Great Ormond Street Hospital said | :33:44. | :33:53. | |
Chris Gard and Connie Yates say they've now been told they will not | :33:54. | :33:57. | |
be able to take their son home to die. | :33:58. | :33:59. | |
An investigation by chemical weapons inspectors has concluded | :34:00. | :34:01. | |
that the banned nerve agent sarin was used in an attack | :34:02. | :34:04. | |
on a rebel-held town in northern Syria in April. | :34:05. | :34:06. | |
More than 80 people were killed. | :34:07. | :34:08. | |
The attack prompted the United States to launch a cruise | :34:09. | :34:10. | |
missile strike on a Syrian government air base. | :34:11. | :34:12. | |
The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson said he had no doubt | :34:13. | :34:14. | |
Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad's forces were involved | :34:15. | :34:16. | |
The German parliament has voted to legalise same-sex marriage. | :34:17. | :34:23. | |
The bill will grant gay and lesbian couples | :34:24. | :34:27. | |
full marital rights, including child adoption. | :34:28. | :34:28. | |
It had been backed by most of Germany's political parties | :34:29. | :34:31. | |
although it was opposed by conservative allies of Chancellor | :34:32. | :34:34. | |
She changed her mind to allow a free vote. | :34:35. | :34:42. | |
Time for a sports update. Breaking news and good news for | :34:43. | :35:00. | |
cricket fans, the BBC has secured free to air digital and radio rights | :35:01. | :35:04. | |
packages from the ECB which means live cricket will return to the BBC | :35:05. | :35:08. | |
for the first time in 21 years. We will show highlights of all England | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
matches as well as two T20 games in full. We will have ten live matches | :35:14. | :35:16. | |
from the new T20 club competition as well. And there will be up to nine | :35:17. | :35:21. | |
live women's fixtures but England Test match cricket will stay on paid | :35:22. | :35:26. | |
subscription services in the 2020-2024 period. Number one seed | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
Andy Murray will face a qualifier Lucky loser in the first round of | :35:31. | :35:34. | |
Wimbledon. He has been drawn in the same half as French Open champion | :35:35. | :35:37. | |
Rafa Nadal which means they could meet in the semifinals this year. | :35:38. | :35:42. | |
Johanna Konta beat the world number one Angelique Kerber yesterday | :35:43. | :35:44. | |
despite taking a heavy fall during the match. She will play Karolina | :35:45. | :35:48. | |
Pliskova in the semifinal at Eastbourne later and fellow Briton | :35:49. | :35:52. | |
Heather Watson is also through to the last four and will face Caroline | :35:53. | :35:57. | |
Wozniacki at 11am. The British and Irish Lions coach Andy Farrell says | :35:58. | :36:00. | |
it is do or die ahead of the second Test against New Zealand tomorrow | :36:01. | :36:03. | |
morning. Defeat in Wellington would mean the All Blacks will take this | :36:04. | :36:09. | |
varies. More in user life after 11 o'clock. -- take the series. | :36:10. | :36:12. | |
Parts of President Trump's ban on travellers from six mainly Muslim | :36:13. | :36:15. | |
The restriction, which began at 1am this morning, | :36:16. | :36:21. | |
means that refugees and people from six named countries | :36:22. | :36:23. | |
without close family or business relationships in the US | :36:24. | :36:25. | |
could be denied visas and barred entry. | :36:26. | :36:27. | |
Grandparents, aunts, uncles, nephews and nieces | :36:28. | :36:29. | |
are not considered to be "bona fide" relations. | :36:30. | :36:33. | |
The rules apply to people in Iran, Libya, Syria, | :36:34. | :36:35. | |
I spoke to a political commentator and a broadcaster and Republican | :36:36. | :36:46. | |
activist earlier. It's already being | :36:47. | :36:47. | |
challenged by Hawaii. What are your thoughts | :36:48. | :36:50. | |
on this ban now? Well, the Supreme Court has | :36:51. | :36:53. | |
actually ruled a partial... That Donald Trump can actually | :36:54. | :36:59. | |
implement part of the ban, and so they are actually moving | :37:00. | :37:01. | |
full steam ahead. And this is pretty amazing | :37:02. | :37:05. | |
because when you think about it, there have been a number of courts | :37:06. | :37:08. | |
that have already shot this down. So I'm sure the thinking | :37:09. | :37:11. | |
was that the Supreme Court, if they actually decided to take | :37:12. | :37:14. | |
this up, would actually No one actually thought | :37:15. | :37:17. | |
that they would actually allow Donald Trump to actually implement | :37:18. | :37:21. | |
parts of the ban until they decide to take it up, and they won't take | :37:22. | :37:25. | |
it up until the next session of the Supreme Court, | :37:26. | :37:29. | |
which is in the fall, So the president is actually moving | :37:30. | :37:31. | |
full steam ahead with this, and I think it's only going to be | :37:32. | :37:36. | |
that much more troubling because it could take us back to a place | :37:37. | :37:40. | |
where you see the United States' standing in the world diminish, | :37:41. | :37:43. | |
much like what took place during the Iraq war, | :37:44. | :37:48. | |
where much of the world had a very diminished | :37:49. | :37:51. | |
view of the United States because, for many, the United States has | :37:52. | :37:54. | |
always been that beacon, a place where the voiceless, | :37:55. | :37:56. | |
the helpless can come. And now it looks as though | :37:57. | :38:00. | |
we are turning people away for no And I think that's something | :38:01. | :38:03. | |
that's deeply troubling, Charlie Wolf, the president says | :38:04. | :38:13. | |
that the reason for this ban I think he has the right | :38:14. | :38:16. | |
as commander-in-chief to make that decision, | :38:17. | :38:26. | |
and that's what I'm I think there's a couple | :38:27. | :38:28. | |
of things here. First off, I think the lower courts | :38:29. | :38:31. | |
were wrong and they were judging him on personality and, for instance, | :38:32. | :38:34. | |
one of the judges based it on comments he made | :38:35. | :38:36. | |
on the campaign trail. And the other thing that's | :38:37. | :38:39. | |
important, more so than our standing in the world, which I think | :38:40. | :38:43. | |
is still safe, is there's always been sort of an elasticity between | :38:44. | :38:46. | |
the three branches of government. And it's important not just | :38:47. | :38:49. | |
for Mr Trump but for future presidents that he has that power, | :38:50. | :38:53. | |
that it's not taken away, when it He is the commander-in-chief, | :38:54. | :38:56. | |
and when we have judges diminishing that power, | :38:57. | :39:04. | |
that sets a very This is a bar on people | :39:05. | :39:05. | |
entering the US on the basis of where they are from | :39:06. | :39:16. | |
and what their religion is. I don't think it's based | :39:17. | :39:18. | |
on their religion. When he said, for instance, | :39:19. | :39:20. | |
after San Bernardino, when he said, I think it was, | :39:21. | :39:22. | |
Muslim countries, if I had been advising him on communications | :39:23. | :39:25. | |
I would have said from specific And also, let's not forget, | :39:26. | :39:28. | |
these are not countries These were classified by the Obama | :39:29. | :39:33. | |
administration and the simple fact Eric Ham, what about the point | :39:34. | :39:43. | |
that these are countries that are being targeted under this ban | :39:44. | :39:46. | |
that were identified We do know that President Obama | :39:47. | :39:48. | |
did have a temporary ban in place for Iraq, | :39:49. | :39:52. | |
and it did not expand to the countries that Donald Trump | :39:53. | :39:55. | |
has actually laid out These are countries that | :39:56. | :39:57. | |
are actually decided upon by the Trump administration, | :39:58. | :40:05. | |
that he implemented. And what was so striking | :40:06. | :40:07. | |
about the ban is there were some countries, | :40:08. | :40:11. | |
particularly Saudi Arabia, Because when you look at where | :40:12. | :40:13. | |
the 9/11 attackers came from, We know that Saudi Arabia | :40:14. | :40:22. | |
is the biggest exporter of Wahhabiism, which is seen | :40:23. | :40:26. | |
as an extreme version of Islam. That's a country that has | :40:27. | :40:31. | |
not added to the ban, and I think many people look at this | :40:32. | :40:35. | |
ban in particular and say these are countries where | :40:36. | :40:38. | |
the president does not have I just want to move | :40:39. | :40:41. | |
on to something else that emerged from Donald Trump, | :40:42. | :40:51. | |
and it's a personal attack And it's not the first time he's | :40:52. | :40:53. | |
made personal comments It's a host called Mika Brzezinski, | :40:54. | :40:58. | |
on Twitter he described her What do you each think about these | :40:59. | :41:01. | |
comments by Donald Trump, the way that he does take people | :41:02. | :41:09. | |
on in very personal terms? I can't comment so much | :41:10. | :41:12. | |
on this particular incident because I haven't really seen much | :41:13. | :41:16. | |
of it here in London yet. When we elected the man, everybody | :41:17. | :41:20. | |
knew, it was totally clear, that he is a man who's not been | :41:21. | :41:26. | |
a president or not been in politics, He himself said, if you attack me, | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
I come back ten times harder. If people are surprised, | :41:31. | :41:37. | |
you know, I'm surprised Is it edifying, though, | :41:38. | :41:40. | |
for a president to be doing it? I'll leave that to the individual | :41:41. | :41:48. | |
to decide for themselves. The press have been treating him | :41:49. | :41:50. | |
in the same respect, you know? So I think if you want to play | :41:51. | :41:57. | |
the game, you know, if you give If I could just push | :41:58. | :42:10. | |
back, no, Mr Wolf, this This is the presidency | :42:11. | :42:15. | |
of the United States. And many people look | :42:16. | :42:18. | |
at the presidency as the most And so, as a result of that, | :42:19. | :42:21. | |
I think many have high expectations of the person who holds the office | :42:22. | :42:26. | |
because you're encapsulating And what the president did | :42:27. | :42:31. | |
was he attacked a reporter and he attacked her in very | :42:32. | :42:38. | |
personal, very strident And we've seen him do | :42:39. | :42:40. | |
this as a candidate, but this is the first time that | :42:41. | :42:45. | |
we've actually seen him And I think his own party has come | :42:46. | :42:47. | |
after him in very aggressive terms, because it's clearly un-beholding | :42:48. | :42:55. | |
of what we expect of our president I agree with you, but I think | :42:56. | :42:58. | |
we knew going in that this was not You know, this is Donald Trump, | :42:59. | :43:04. | |
and I think the people that elected him this time around weren't | :43:05. | :43:11. | |
so interested necessarily in... That's not necessarily | :43:12. | :43:14. | |
a constitutional They wanted somebody | :43:15. | :43:16. | |
who can fix the economy, that's what they're | :43:17. | :43:21. | |
expecting, not to... -- not to play nice nice with the | :43:22. | :43:27. | |
press. Politics in Northern | :43:28. | :43:31. | |
Ireland is never simple. But in recent weeks, it seems | :43:32. | :43:34. | |
to have become unusually complex. Yesterday, talks between Sinn Fein - | :43:35. | :43:37. | |
who want Northern Ireland to be part of the Irish Republic, | :43:38. | :43:40. | |
and the DUP who want it to remain a part of the UK - | :43:41. | :43:42. | |
failed to restore the so-called power sharing executive, under | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
which the two communities share key Meanwhile, the DUP have just agreed | :43:47. | :43:48. | |
to support Theresa May and the Conservative government | :43:49. | :43:52. | |
at Westminster in exchange for a ?1 billion package of spending | :43:53. | :43:55. | |
in Northern Ireland. And this is all against | :43:56. | :43:58. | |
the backdrop of Brexit - which threatens to see a hard border | :43:59. | :44:01. | |
between the north and To help unpick all of this, | :44:02. | :44:04. | |
we have in the studio She's an Irish historian | :44:05. | :44:12. | |
and author. And from the BBC studio in Belfast - | :44:13. | :44:18. | |
Eamonn Mallie - an author reporting on Northern Ireland | :44:19. | :44:21. | |
and its politics for decades. Thank you for joining us. The | :44:22. | :44:28. | |
deadline for agreement has been extended until Monday. Do you think | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
that is going to be enough time to unlock this? Welcome to everybody in | :44:34. | :44:41. | |
London and throughout the UK. I doubt if we can have a resolution in | :44:42. | :44:45. | |
the short term. There are mountains to be climbed. The gaps are so | :44:46. | :44:50. | |
tremendous between the two sides. I would be suspicious whether there's | :44:51. | :44:54. | |
any possibility of a resolution in the next 48 hours. It is highly | :44:55. | :45:02. | |
unlikely. Given the DUP will not be negotiating Sunday, a custom and | :45:03. | :45:05. | |
practice of the party. I think we are in a deadlock here. If there is | :45:06. | :45:11. | |
not agreement, then what? Direct rule, probably, for a time, some | :45:12. | :45:17. | |
measure of it. I agree with Eamon, I can't see how they will resolve it. | :45:18. | :45:21. | |
From my perspective, I think the problem was Sinn Fein did not want | :45:22. | :45:25. | |
the executive to come back and so made an enormous number of demands | :45:26. | :45:28. | |
that they knew the DUP couldn't actually do. But then when the money | :45:29. | :45:32. | |
happened, the ?1 billion, they want to have a part in influencing how it | :45:33. | :45:38. | |
is spent, how do they actually back down and save face? It is not easy. | :45:39. | :45:44. | |
But as you say, the ?1 billion if they want to decide how it is spent, | :45:45. | :45:48. | |
they need to unlock this? Yes, but they don't want to disillusion their | :45:49. | :45:54. | |
supporters. So how do those two issues get worked together, Eamon? | :45:55. | :46:00. | |
I know this billion pound and the new love affair between the DUP and | :46:01. | :46:08. | |
Theresa May, I know it is an irritant, but let's be realistic, | :46:09. | :46:13. | |
the problems obtaining now would be here regardless. There is such a | :46:14. | :46:18. | |
gulf over the questions, or the issue of Brexit, Sinn Fein and the | :46:19. | :46:27. | |
nationalists want to stay in Europe. The DUP voted to leave. The majority | :46:28. | :46:33. | |
voted to stay. But the issues dealing with the past and things | :46:34. | :46:38. | |
like same sex marriage, we have an instrument in Government here, a | :46:39. | :46:47. | |
veto, whereby the DUP has used this instrument this veto to block for | :46:48. | :46:52. | |
example any discussion coming forth regarding same sex marriage. So the | :46:53. | :46:57. | |
issues are there regardless of the relationship with the Tories. That | :46:58. | :47:04. | |
is a mere add on. If case you thought there were not enough come | :47:05. | :47:12. | |
plications, if there was an election the DUP are likely to do better. Why | :47:13. | :47:19. | |
is that because of the deal? Yes and because they did badly in the last | :47:20. | :47:24. | |
Assembly election, because there was a lot of bad blood. This time they | :47:25. | :47:29. | |
would have done better and have the veto. Doesn't that put more pressure | :47:30. | :47:34. | |
on Sinn Fein to try to get to ensure that those are two scenarios that | :47:35. | :47:41. | |
don't happen? Yes it is hard to see how they can cross that gulf. It is | :47:42. | :47:47. | |
so huge. There is no trust between them of any kind. And they have | :47:48. | :47:51. | |
become the two big party and destroyed the middle ground. They | :47:52. | :47:57. | |
have done it before obviously. Yes but the gulf is wider. Why do you | :47:58. | :48:04. | |
think it is wider now? Just huge mistrust and a lot of issues that | :48:05. | :48:11. | |
are unresolvable. The issue around the Irish language. Sinn Fein want | :48:12. | :48:17. | |
ant Irish language act and from the point of view of unionism and others | :48:18. | :48:23. | |
would involve enormous wasteful expense. 0.02% of people speak Irish | :48:24. | :48:34. | |
at home. But this would involve interpreters in the courts, 10% of | :48:35. | :48:40. | |
recruits in public service being Irish-speaking and so on. Massively. | :48:41. | :48:44. | |
But it is very hard for them to row back on it. Because they have made | :48:45. | :48:50. | |
it an issue of cultural respect. I don't know how you get out of it. We | :48:51. | :48:57. | |
will have to wait and see, thank you both very much. | :48:58. | :49:00. | |
The dance music industry is worth $7.4 billion dollars. | :49:01. | :49:02. | |
Last year, Forbes magazine's top 10 richest Djs were all men - | :49:03. | :49:05. | |
with Calvin Harris topping the list for the fourth year in a row. | :49:06. | :49:10. | |
Which begs the question, why are there so few females at the top? | :49:11. | :49:13. | |
Gender discrimination took centre stage at this year's | :49:14. | :49:18. | |
Ibiza's International Music Summit, where co-founder Pete Tong and many | :49:19. | :49:21. | |
other leading figures gathered to debate how to change that tune. | :49:22. | :49:24. | |
Quick warning - there are some flashing images in this piece. | :49:25. | :49:26. | |
I was sexually assaulted by a promoter. | :49:27. | :49:30. | |
I had a co-worker who called me his secretary, even though | :49:31. | :49:32. | |
I never made more than $100 as a DJ until I think I was 33 years old. | :49:33. | :49:49. | |
I don't know a single woman in dance music who has not experienced some | :49:50. | :49:54. | |
version of this, from unwanted attention from fans, touching, that | :49:55. | :49:58. | |
If there is one of me, there have to be thousands of | :49:59. | :50:04. | |
I don't think women want to be in positions of influence through | :50:05. | :50:16. | |
You know, they want to be in positions of influence by being | :50:17. | :50:23. | |
At 17, I came over with ?100 in my pocket and two flight | :50:24. | :50:28. | |
I was the first female resident DJ in Ibiza. | :50:29. | :50:32. | |
25 years later, there's a lot more women that have come on the scene. | :50:33. | :50:37. | |
It's still a still much lower amount of females that are around, or | :50:38. | :50:40. | |
If you look at the top DJ 100, I think there was two, | :50:41. | :50:47. | |
There aren't many women represented in dance | :50:48. | :50:50. | |
music publishing, definitely not as many women as men bust up but I | :50:51. | :50:55. | |
believe that I got my job because I was the best for it - | :50:56. | :50:59. | |
not because I was a woman, but because I was the | :51:00. | :51:01. | |
I had a meeting and this guy didn't even look at me or | :51:02. | :51:19. | |
acknowledge me, and yeah, it's difficult, it's definitely | :51:20. | :51:21. | |
But it's something I feel very passionate about that needs to | :51:22. | :51:27. | |
It's time to move into the action phase. | :51:28. | :51:31. | |
But we also need to see men get active in this. | :51:32. | :51:34. | |
There are some very talented women out | :51:35. | :51:36. | |
there, but being someone who is quite up in electronic music, I | :51:37. | :51:39. | |
It's definitely a lot better when it's a mixture of people, | :51:40. | :51:44. | |
you know, whether it's ethnicity or gender, | :51:45. | :51:47. | |
you know, race and gender, it's better for everyone to be mixed. | :51:48. | :51:59. | |
We created this system of support that women | :52:00. | :52:01. | |
Menus to have their gents clubs or their golf clubs or their whisky | :52:02. | :52:08. | |
bars, women don't really have these physical | :52:09. | :52:10. | |
spaces, and so I decided to | :52:11. | :52:11. | |
We're talking about mental health issues and male | :52:12. | :52:19. | |
The whole thing around diversity's probably been a more intense debate | :52:20. | :52:26. | |
I think it's important to talk about it and be | :52:27. | :52:30. | |
transparent about it, because unless we do, then it's | :52:31. | :52:35. | |
going to continue to be the cost of doing business, and it should | :52:36. | :52:38. | |
We're joined by Sybil Bell, who is the founder of | :52:39. | :52:44. | |
Independent Venue Week - championing small music | :52:45. | :52:46. | |
But she also set up and ran an event called Yes She can - | :52:47. | :52:52. | |
aimed at young women who want to learn about | :52:53. | :52:54. | |
And also Mandy Parnell who is a music producer and also | :52:55. | :52:57. | |
Thank you for coming in. It is weird isn't it? It is not like it is an | :52:58. | :53:10. | |
old fashioned or a traditional area, it's modern, out there, why is it | :53:11. | :53:15. | |
that women don't seem to be punching through? I don't know, it is a | :53:16. | :53:22. | |
tricky one, it almost seems ironic that we need to have this discussion | :53:23. | :53:26. | |
and there are groups championing women and the event we put on to | :53:27. | :53:31. | |
encourage young women to learn about the music industry, it almost feels | :53:32. | :53:40. | |
like we should haven't those discussions. Why do you think there | :53:41. | :53:47. | |
is not parity. I think we need to aim younger. I was at the music week | :53:48. | :53:56. | |
and met some women from Finland that have an initiative aiming at | :53:57. | :54:01. | |
children in primary school, teaching them about music and production and | :54:02. | :54:06. | |
recording music. So I think a lot of our initiatives are aimed at | :54:07. | :54:10. | |
teenagers, when they're doing their options or later when they're coming | :54:11. | :54:15. | |
into college, which the foundations probably's been set by the choices. | :54:16. | :54:20. | |
Do you think it is that young girls are choosing, are not choosing it | :54:21. | :54:26. | |
rather than once people have chosen it being discriminated against? I | :54:27. | :54:30. | |
think so yes, they don't realise it is a choice early enough. Maybe from | :54:31. | :54:36. | |
conditioning, through systems, through being at home. Yeah, I think | :54:37. | :54:41. | |
it's more you know we need to aim younger so they realise it is a | :54:42. | :54:46. | |
choice. In all sciences. Do you think there is discrimination within | :54:47. | :54:49. | |
the industry as well or is it not that? I think there is just from the | :54:50. | :54:55. | |
film you showed, there are examples where women are discriminated | :54:56. | :54:58. | |
against. It is a tough one, my personal experience has been very | :54:59. | :55:02. | |
little of that and in fact there have been a number of men who have | :55:03. | :55:06. | |
been strong champions of women in the business. So it is a difficult | :55:07. | :55:11. | |
one and I guess it depends on which part of business you're in. But it | :55:12. | :55:17. | |
does xus. -- xus. I think in -- exist. I think men feel entitlement | :55:18. | :55:24. | |
and women are used to grafting and it is a shame we have to be overtly | :55:25. | :55:28. | |
speaking up on behalf of women to get that level. I think manned Yip's | :55:29. | :55:34. | |
right -- Mandy's right and the experience we have had is the | :55:35. | :55:41. | |
younger you get, the earlier you can speak to girls, giving them options | :55:42. | :55:45. | |
and understanding that is a choice is empowering. Our project was part | :55:46. | :55:51. | |
of a campaign and we had girls from Sunderland and Hull and London and | :55:52. | :55:56. | |
we were talking about production, live production and studio | :55:57. | :56:00. | |
production and we probably went too deep into that, some didn't know a | :56:01. | :56:05. | |
number of careers even existed, even they were technical roles. And I | :56:06. | :56:11. | |
think the more we can do to educate young girls, music's coming out of a | :56:12. | :56:15. | |
lot of curriculum in schools that is a dayser the. It should be -- that | :56:16. | :56:22. | |
is a disaster. There are so many women in music, female artists, why | :56:23. | :56:28. | |
is this area not, that girls are not thinking about it as a natural area. | :56:29. | :56:37. | |
We have a PRS and they have got an initiative called women make music | :56:38. | :56:41. | |
to raise women song writers, because they don't have that many, but we | :56:42. | :56:45. | |
have lots of women in the public eye, but behind the scenes, say in | :56:46. | :56:50. | |
engineering we have managed to raise it and the MPG are raising their | :56:51. | :56:55. | |
membership, but were talking to six to, to what? With one group 28%. 28% | :56:56. | :57:05. | |
for independent venue week, we work with venues around the country and | :57:06. | :57:09. | |
28% of the people who own or manage the venues are women. That is the | :57:10. | :57:14. | |
strongest statistic we have of women in a sense in these roles in these | :57:15. | :57:21. | |
technical roles. Have you come across women being held back, | :57:22. | :57:26. | |
discrimination? I don't know whether I have heard much around it. The | :57:27. | :57:32. | |
women, I mentor a lot of women and they have made a choice to do this. | :57:33. | :57:39. | |
So it is more about empowering them not to be intimidated, in any way, | :57:40. | :57:45. | |
to, yes yeah, to be strong in what they're doing and not play the | :57:46. | :57:49. | |
victim if that makes the sense. It is easy to fly the flag and say, | :57:50. | :57:56. | |
it's because I'm a woman when you come across ignorant women,. I don't | :57:57. | :58:04. | |
think a lot of us have had victimisation because we're women, I | :58:05. | :58:07. | |
wouldn't say I have, but I have been in the industry 33 years. Thank you | :58:08. | :58:09. | |
both very much. Have a good weekend. We're not going to get out of this | :58:10. | :58:35. | |
one, are we? | :58:36. | :58:38. |