06/07/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

It's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

The chairman of the inquiry into the Iraq war, Sir John Chilcot, speaks

exclusively to the BBC for the first time since the report's publication.

I think any Prime Minister taking a country into war

with the nation and carry it, so far as possible, with him or her.

I don't think that was the case in the Iraq instance.

We will have all the details and reaction. Also, standards in some

residential care homes and home care services are branded fragile and

precarious following thousands of inspections in England. The

situation is worse in nursing homes, where more than a third are failing

on safety. And we will find out why scam marriages are being used by

some British Asian gay men and women to mask their sexuality. We feel

like we need to do it to fit into the community and to be able to be

accepted by our parents. The reason I would not come at my was because I

would like to be disowned. -- the reason I would not come out to my

parents is because I would be disowned.

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The chairman of the Iraq Inquiry, Sir John Chilcot, has told the BBC

that the former Prime Minister, Tony Blair, was not straight

with the nation, or his inquiry, about the decisions made

Speaking for the first time since the publication

of his report a year ago today, Sir John tells the BBC why he thinks

Mr Blair made the decisions he did, and about Mr Blair's state of mind

He was speaking to the BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg.

Do you feel the politicians who dealt with you were a straight as

they ought to have been? I would need to distinguish. They adopted

different approaches. I have domain names here, because these were

public sessions. Tony Blair is always an advocate. He makes the

most persuasive case he can, not departing from the truth, but

persuasion is everything, advocacy, from my position.

Do you believe that Tony Blair was as straight

with you and the public as he ought to have been?

Can I slightly reword that to say I think any Prime Minister taking

a country into war has got to be straight with the nation

and carry it, so far as possible, with him or her.

I don't believe that was the case in the Iraq instance.

Do you feel he gave you the fullest version of events?

I hesitate to say this, rather, but I think from his perspective

and standpoint, it was emotionally truthful, and I think that came out

also in his press conference after the launch statement.

I think he was under very great emotional pressure

during those sessions, far more than the committee were.

In that state of mind and mood, you fall back on your instinctive

skills and reactions, I think.

But he was relying, you suggest, on emotion, not fact.

Let's go to our political guru Norman Smith. Sir John was speaking

about his report publicly for the first time after the publication.

What have we learned? I think we get a sense of Sir John's real personal

views from that interview. You could see him carefully picking his words

about Tony Blair. But when you see the whole interview, it's pretty

clear that Sir John believes Tony Blair was the driving force behind

what he calls the rush to war. And although he doesn't say it, he

pretty much implies that we would not have gone toward them but the

Tony Blair, because in his view, he became an advocate for war. And the

normal checks and balances you would expect were ignored. So the Cabinet

was kept out of the loop. They thought the policy towards Saddam

Hussein was one of containment, whereas Tony Blair was pursuing a

policy of coercion. He dismissed the legal warning sounded by the

Attorney General in what was described as a perfunctory way. He

placed too much emphasis on some aspects of the intelligence and in

terms of relations with the United States, he pretty much bypassed the

Foreign Office and our diplomats because of that very close

relationship he built up with George Bush. You may remember that the

inquiry uncovered that note sent from Tony Blair to George Bush after

they had met at President Bush's Ranch in Crawford in Texas, saying

we will be with you whatever. That was sent nine months before we went

to war. Sir John says how shocked he was when he read that, because it

was pretty much just giving George Bush a green light. You are left

with the sense that Sir John believes that Tony Blair was, is and

always will be a lawyer, an advocate making the case, seeking to persuade

rather than necessarily the statesman taking a cold, hard-headed

look at the facts. Does anything change as a result of him giving

this interview? We waited a long time for that report, which came out

a year ago. Does anything change now? There are couple of things

which point us forward. One is Sir John's conviction that the have

changed, that they would not be stampeded so easily again -- the

military have changed. The other thing that points forward in terms

of relations with Donald Trump is that Sir John is hugely sceptical

that despite the relationship with George Bush, that we had any

leverage with the US, he says in the run-up to the war we had minimal

influence and after the war, he says our influence was zilch. That is

maybe a bit of a reality check in terms of our ongoing relationship

with the United States. We will bring you the full interview with

Sir John Chilcot after 9.30 this morning. Donald Trump is also in

Poland and we will bring you coverage of that when it happens at

the same time. Now a summary of the rest

of the day's news. A quarter of adult care services

in England are not safe enough, A report by the Care Quality

Commission says most care homes, nursing homes and home care services

are good, but too many Among the issues raised by the care

regulator were people not getting enough to eat and drink,

and not being given There are some distressing images

in this report from our social affairs correspondent,

Alison Holt. Bernie Jarvis carefully

gives her mother lunch. The front room of the family's

Birmingham home has become They want her close

by after discovering the sort of poor care highlighted

in today's report. Betty, who has dementia and heart

problems, was in a nursing home. The family had concerns,

so put in a secret camera. It soon showed a care worker pushing

the chair Betty was slumped in Then when Betty objects

to her top being changed, her head is slammed back

into the chair. Last February in court,

the care worker accepted her actions were reckless

rather than intentional. She was given a 12

month community order. Because they did with us

for about eight months, and I wish we had pursued it a lot

quicker than we did, because Mum probably wouldn't have

suffered the way she did. Today's report by inspectors says

most care in England Even so, a quarter of all services

including home care and residential homes failed on safety,

and 37% of nursing homes Also, when reinspected,

quality of care in some good What we are seeing in these services

that are deteriorating is how fragile and precarious quality

of adult social care is. That's the reason why we have

to make sure that everybody Providers have got to focus on that,

and commissioners and funders have to make sure funding is available

to ensure that people get The Government says the poor care

experienced by some families is completely unacceptable,

and that as well as putting in more money, it will be consulting on how

to play social care on a more secure We'll be speaking to Andrea

Sutcliffe, the Chief Inspector of Adult Social Care -

who you saw in that report - We'll also be joined by a former

carer who became a whistleblower, a current carer and a mother whose

daughter needs 24 hour care. The risk of attacks on UK soil by

supporters of the so-called Islamic State group could increase as IS

continues to lose territory in the Middle East. That is the warning

from the Director of Public Prosecutions following BBC News

research which found that over 100 people in the UK have now been

convicted of terror offences relating to Iraq and Syria. It is

believed two of the three men who carried out the London Bridge attack

had wanted to join IS in Syria. President Trump is due to give

a major speech in Warsaw setting out his vision for US

relations with Europe. Mr Trump, who is making his second

foreign visit as US President, was greeted by the Polish President

this morning. Later he'll travel on to Germany

for the G20 summit, which begins Adam Easton is there for us in

Warsaw. What are we expecting from President Trump later? It is no

coincidence that President Trump has chosen Poland as the country where

he will deliver his first major speech in Europe. That is because it

is expected that he will make some assurances to the Poles and to the

central and Eastern European regional leaders who are taking part

in a summit in Warsaw today that the US is committed to Nato and is

committed to defence of this part of Europe. There are genuine concerns

in Poland and other countries in central and eastern Europe about

Russia's intentions. Certainly after the Russian invasion of Georgia and

annexation of Crimea and of course the war in Ukraine. There are real

fears in this region about Russia. The Poles want President Trump to

say, we will be here for you. Our troops have already arrived on

Polish soil this year. We will stay here and we will protect you. You

need not worry about that. That is the key message the Poles want to

hear from Donald Trump during his speech.

China and Russia have urged the US to show restraint after the warning

that North Korea's test launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile

had cast a dark shadow over the world. Nikki Haley told an emergency

meeting of the Security Council that the tests represented a sharp

military escalation and current international sanctions were not

enough. The actress Carol Lee Scott,

who was best known for playing Grotbags the witch, has died

at the age of 74. She appeared in children's

programmes in the 1980s and early 1990s, including Rod Hull's Emu's

World. Her family confirmed

the news on social media, with her niece Gina Mear writing

on Facebook on Wednesday that the actress had "lost her brave

fight against cancer". That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 9.30. In a few moments, we will talk about

the services provided in the care sector and where they are falling

short. You have been getting in touch about that. Elspeth as I

believe privatising care homes has some bearing on the problems being

experienced. If you put profit into the mix, service suffers. My sister

and I care for our 95-year-old mum as we would trust nobody to care for

her. Thomas says all care homes put profits before care. The CQC are not

fit for purpose. We will be speaking to the Chief Inspector of the CQC

here as well as other people with experience of care homes. Let us

know your experiences. Four Britons are through to

the third round of Wimbledon British number one Johanna Konta got

through her gruelling encounter More than three hours,

they were on court. Andy Murray didn't appear too

troubled by his injured hip, as he swept aside Dustin Brown

in straight sets. Heather Watson and Aljaz

Bedene are also through. British and Irish Lions head

coach Warren Gatland says they have the chance to "leave

a legacy", by beating New Zealand in the decisive

third Test on Saturday. The Lions have named an unchanged

side for the first time since 1993. Not for 46 years have they won

a series against the All Blacks. At the Women's Cricket World Cup,

a record-breaking second-wicket stand of 275 from Tammy Beaumont

and Sarah Taylor guided England The men's team get their four-Test

series against South Africa under One in four services providing care

for the elderly and disabled That's according to

the Care Quality Commission, which assesses home and residential

care, nursing care and services Their report is based on more

than 33,000 inspections of over 24,000 care homes,

home care agencies While the majority of

services are good, it found there was "too much poor care,

some providers are failing to improve, and there is even some

deterioration in good services". Of the nearly 11,000 residential

care homes expected, more than 2,600 were rated either

inadequate or requiring improvement for safety, while 37%

of the residential nursing homes visited by the CQC

were rated as unsafe. And across the entire

adult social care sector, 23% of services were found

to require improvement for safety, to require leadership improvement -

with 2% being branded inadequate. We can speak now to Andrea

Sutcliffe, Chief Inspector of Adult Social Care

at the Care Quality Commission, Eileen Chubb is a former carer

who became a whistleblower and founded the organisation

Compassion in Care. In Boston Spa, we have Jo Walton,

whose daughter is 38 and has a condition that means she needs

24 hour care. And in our Stoke on Trent

studio is Nigel Pearse, If I can come to you first, the word

that has repeatedly used is that the care being offered is not safe.

Spell out exactly what that means, because it sounds very worrying if

you have someone being looked after. It is indeed worrying. We shouldn't

forget that the vast majority of services are safe and care staff are

doing a great job at looking after people. But where we have identified

improvements are required, or, even worse, where services are

inadequate, we are seeing not enough staff available. The staff are not

properly trained and supported to deliver the care that people have

every right to expect. We are seeing things like people not getting the

food that they need, or being able to drink enough, which is so

important for their health and well-being, or they are not getting

their medication at the right time. We even went into a service recently

where people were getting up in the middle of the night and being

washed, dressed and put back to bed because that suited the organisation

to do that, rather than obviously doing what was needed for the people

that were living there. If you have a loved one in one of these places

where the care is not safe, you would be right to think, actually,

should they be there? You know, if they are not safe, crikey, what... I

completely understand that. That is one of the reasons why the work that

we do is so important, identifying what the problems are and making

sure that the people that run these services actually sort them out.

These are peoples homes, they have chosen to live there. If your mother

was in one of these places that was described as not safe, would you

want to take it out? I would be looking at what the home was doing

in response to the issues that the CQC had raised. One of the things we

have seen in our inspections is that a lot of services have improved, the

majority of them did improve after we said they were inadequate. But we

have had to take action in some of those services, which has either

restricted... You are saying look at what the CQC are saying and pointing

to where it is working well, but if they are saying it is not safe, it

is pretty clear to somebody who has their loved one in an environment

where you are saying it is not safe? What we need to be doing is making

sure that people put those things right. But in the here and now? It

is not safe, but what we have been able to do is identify for people

what they should be doing to put it right, particularly around staffing,

making sure they have the right number of staff available to look

after people. I want to bring in some of the other guests. Just on

this point, these are things that have been talked about for a very

long time, things are not put right. In many cases, some places have got

worse rather than getting better. Can there be any expectation that

things will change, and change quickly? Especially as a result of

this? What we need to be doing is making sure that everybody in the

adult social care sector steps up to the plate to do the right things.

But what will force them? There is what we are doing, shining the

spotlight, identifying poor care, taking action where we need to to

make sure they make improvements. What forces and want to change? The

action we can take is a variety of things, it includes cancelling

registration, which may mean that they have to close down. Let's go to

Jo. Your daughter has a condition that means she needs 24-hour care.

Do you have faith in the care that she gets? Well, the vast majority of

care that is delivered to Sarah is actually delivered by myself. I am

responsible for most of her daily care. The reason I am doing that is

because it has been impossible for me to get reliable, well-trained

daycare, in order to deliver that care to Sarah instead of me. Now, I

hear what the previous guest was saying about what is happening in

terms of care, but this extends right the way across all care. Every

minister that a person is receiving poor care is a minute that post will

never get back. That prison is highly vulnerable, they need to

experience the best quality of life that is possible for that person to

experience, for every minute of the life that they have remaining. To

say they are working hard to put things right is fine. But we need

them right now, we don't need them in the future. The reason that Sarah

is at home and I am looking after Sarah is because I believe that she

is entitled to the best quality of care. If the only way that I can

ensure that happens is to deliver it myself, that is what I'm going to

do. It looks like that is what I'm going to be doing for the

foreseeable future. Sorry, obviously that puts a huge burden on you when

your daughter does need 24-hour care. Where their specific instances

that make you so worried, specific things that happened in the

treatment around the border that made you start to do this? I suppose

the first reason is that it was totally unreliable. When you're

dealing with individuals who have very complex problems, it is really

important that the care staff that work with them are trained in

delivery of care to that particular person. In addition to all of the

experience and the knowledge, and the training that they have, in

general, around caring, they need to know how that individual person

responds to the way that they are handled, to the things that they are

given, their digestive system, how that works. You need people that

really know the person they are looking at it and can have that

continuity? I can't have those people in the house on a regular

basis, if people are off set, if people leave. -- if people are off

sick. You were a carer, you turned whistle-blower and set up Compassion

In Care. When you hear what the CQC are saying... I've heard this so

many times, I've lost count. Most of the complaints we get from relatives

or about care homes that have very good, and they have raised the

concerns with the CQC, nothing has been done and then they come to us.

The second is whistle-blowers who risk their job to speak out about

bad care, Wessel -- whistle-blowers who care are not wanted in the care

system. We have 47 cases where the identity of the whistle-blower has

been given to the employer by CQC inspectors. I think that is

horrendous, and horrendous betrayal of trust and totally unacceptable.

What I would say, I can only comment on our evidence, but on the

Compassion In Ken website, we have been gathering evidence from

hundreds of thousands of people since we began. It is not a question

about how much we are putting into the care system, it is about who we

are paying. Are those people fit to be running the care sector? I think

that is the question that should be asked. Governments are honing in

that we need to give the care sector more money. Basically, you are not

dealing with the problem. The problem is, who are we paying for

the care and are they people that should be registered? We have seen

providers reregistered and reregistered, even though they have

appalling histories. Not one AA, hundreds. Lots of points you are

making. Andrea, the report has identified that 22% of leaders in

the sector, there are issues around them. I wanted to pick up on what

Eileen was saying about whistle-blowers, whether you do get

a clear picture on how they are treated? Coincidentally, this

programme spoke to three individuals yesterday who have relatives

currently living in care homes. They are concerned about the care they

are receiving, including things like relatives being left

unfed, cuts and bruises. They didn't want to come on the programme

because they fear they could be repercussions, treatment getting

worse. When people are complaining, what are you doing to investigate

and protect the people in the home, and the people that are blowing the

whistle? We take our responsibilities around that very

seriously. We can't be there all the time. It is important to get that

information from people that are visiting, using the services or

working in the services. We will protect their confidentiality. But

we need to go in and check that, we need to check what is happening and

make sure that the providers are putting that right. Let's bring in

Nigel. You are a carer. We have been hearing, what is the problem,

resourcing, leadership? The fact is, it is not going right in lots of

cases. What is your experience and what would you put it down to? Good

morning. I can only talk on personal experience. I feel the continuity of

care is at risk, due to the poor pay. As a carer myself, I accepted

the pay when I started the job. But it is so poor, I am on minimum wage.

People just don't stay any more. They come to the job thinking it's

going to be easy, it actually isn't. As the lady stated earlier,

everybody has individual needs. It takes training, it takes a while.

You have to be there a while to build up a relationship with people.

Unfortunately, I feel, due to the poor pay, people are not staying.

You have stayed. You have been doing it for eight years? Why have you

stayed so long? How do you find the work? I enjoy the work, I love the

work. My opinion is that when you take the job you know how much you

are getting paid, so you take it or you don't. Why would you take it if

you're not happy with the money when you start? That is a very good

point, as well. Many whistle-blowers, and I am talking

about staff, many staff who really care, basically, they are working

alongside staff that do not care. There is no difference made and how

they are treated. There is also the fact that we need to take that

responsibility for the care sector. It's no good saying that these

places are bad, next year these places are bad, big year after, 20

years from now, I have been doing is campaigning for 18 years. Every

year, for 18 years, I have heard the same promises and the same findings.

Isn't it awful, but this is happening? Isn't it time we stopped

talking about it and did something about it? That is what I challenge

the Government to do. And we are, what would you like the Government

to do? I think everybody talking about this today wants the same

thing. We want people to have care of high quality. We want it, but it

has been talked about for a long time. What would make a difference?

I think the Government is committed to doing a consultation later this

year around the sustainable future of adult social care. I think we

have got to focus the conversation on the needs of people, what the

quality of care is that we all, as a society, think we should be getting

for people in vulnerable circumstances. What does it say

about our society that in 2017 we have thousands and thousands of

people in care, their relatives, the people that care about them cannot

trust they are being properly looked after? It says that we have got to

do better, we have all got to do better. As the regulator, we have

things to do. We also need to be working with stuff like Nigel, who

is committed and loves his job. There are loads of people like that

who are doing that. It is so important that whistle-blowers are

listened to and protected. That is not happening. That is totally not

happening. When people risk their job... Who's fault is it that it is

not happening? People's identities are being disclosed to their

employer. Andrea says they will be protected. But it's not happening.

Ikea appalling stories of people suffering. Can you give a guarantee

of anonymity? People can share information on the website

anonymously. Well, let's hope we don't hear the same news next time.

We need everybody working together to make sure that communities are

doing the right thing for the people that are using the services. Thank

you all very much. Just to say that we have just had a statement through

from the Department of Health. The health Minister, Jackie Doyle-Price,

while this report shows the vast majority of people do receive good

or outstanding social care, it is completely unacceptable that

standards in some settings are below those rightly expected by care users

and their families. That is why we have introduced tougher inspections

of care services, provided an additional ?2 billion to the sector

and later this year we will be consulting on the future of social

care in this country to put it on a stable footing for the future.

As Donald Trump meets the Polish President,

the US President is due to set out his vision for US

And BBC research shows the number of terror related prosecutions is

rising. We will ask if online radicalisation is to blame.

Here's Julian in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

One year on from the inquiry into the Iraq War, the man

who chaired it has, for the first time, given his personal

Sir John Chilcot told the BBC that he believes

the former Prime Minister, Tony Blair, was not "straight

with the nation" about the decisions made in the run-up to war.

A quarter of adult care services in England are not safe enough,

A report by the Care Quality Commission says most care homes,

nursing homes and home care services are good, but too many

Among the issues raised by the care regulator were people not getting

enough to eat and drink, and not being given

The Government said it would invest more money in social care.

The EU's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier has said that

"frictionless trade" with Britain will be possible only if the UK

remains in the single market and the customs union.

Speaking in Brussels, he said the EU's refusal to give

Britain "piecemeal access" to the single market had not been

The actress Carol Lee Scott, who was best known for playing

Grotbags the witch, has died at the age of 74.

She appeared in children's programmes in the 1980s and early

1990s, including Rod Hull's Emu's World.

Her family confirmed the news on social media,

with her niece Gina Mear writing on Facebook on Wednesday

that the actress had "lost her brave fight against cancer".

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.00.

We can see Donald Trump. He is meeting the Polish president and is

gathered in front of the media and now. The Polish president is

speaking at the moment, though, so we will stay across those pictures

for you and go there as soon as Donald Trump starts to speak. His

four date tour around Europe is starting in Poland.

Let's head to Wimbledon now, and talk to Sally Nugent -

what a day for British tennis - four players through

to the third round for the first time in 20 years.

The crowds really got their money's worth, didn't they?

And the weather is fabulous as well. Yeah who leads the leader of the

free world when you have Centre Court at Wimbledon! You can see

Donald Trump in a moment. We had a fantastic day yesterday. The weather

is glorious. No rain so far, and a day of history yesterday. As you

say, those players are through to the third round for the first time

in history for 20 years. I should give you one historical stats,

because there are two British women do to the third round for the first

time since 1986. The last time that happened, one of the women was my

lovely guest, Jo jury. So we have Jo Konta and Heather Watson through to

the third round. And Jo Konta's match yesterday was something to

watch. It was inspirational, the way she said although service games. She

was down constantly. Suddenly, big booming serves and she kept really

calm because she has worked so hard to go through that process, stay in

the moment and it paid off. We have been worried about Andy Murray's

hip, but actually, he looks better than everybody thought. What is

going on there? I think so. We are on hob or watch after every point

finishes. But when the point starts, he's fine. He is so fast, what an

athlete. I think he is in a good space at the moment. Coming into

Wimbledon, we were thinking, was he going to play? He was playing

horribly. But once he stands on Centre Court, he becomes a different

person. His next round is quite hard against Fabio Fognini, but I think

he will get through that. We will see him next week. And we have Kyle

Edmund playing on Centre Court today. A huge moment for him,

because he has not done well on the grass. Centre Court does inspire

you, with the crowd roaring for you. And he can just unleash the big

serve, big forehand. He will be quite a threat to Gail Monfils.

Entertaining and hugely competitive. Thank you very much. It is not just

the tennis players being competitive. Sometimes the

spectators get competitive here too. Did you see Jack Sock throw his

towel into the crowd the day before yesterday? A boy caught it and then

a grown-up to get away. I can tell you that thankfully, Jack Sock has

found the boy. He has been traced on social media and he now has his own

power. In fact, I have heard he will get a towel for every Grand Slam, so

he is doing all right. It is embarrassing for the grown-up that

snatched it! Has he been tracked down? As he said anything? It is

interesting. I have looked everywhere for a comment from the

grown-up. Or the lady sitting next to him. So far, I have not seen

anything. He had a hat pulled down really low, so maybe he got away

with it. I imagine he's keeping quiet. Good to see you, Sally. Let

me remind you that we are expecting to hear from Donald Trump shortly,

so we will go straight to him in Poland as soon as he starts to

speak. And he is speaking now. We have had a wonderful stay. It has

been quick, but the people of Poland have been so fantastic. As you know,

the Polish Americans came out in droves. They voted in the last

election and I was very happy with that result, so I want to thank you

and them. It is a true honour to be here in Poland. It is a majestic

nation, it really is. It's a spectacular place, some of the most

beautiful sights that we saw coming over. Really very inspirational.

You're rich in history, and you have absolutely an unbreakable spirit.

That is something we have learned over the course of many years. The

president and I concluded a productive meeting in which we

reaffirmed our enduring bonds of friendship and Hadleigh United our

citizens for a long time -- and we have united our citizens. We have

never been closer to Poland than we are now. Poland is not only a

friend, but an important ally and partner with respect to our

military. We have had great cooperations with Poland. We have

fought shoulder to shoulder in many different encounters. Particularly

grateful for the role Poland has taken in helping to defeat Isis,

where we have made tremendous strides which you will be hearing

about over the next period of time. And other terrorist organisations,

Poland has been with us by training Iraqi special forces and flying

reconnaissance missions. And just about any time we requested, they

were there. Brave Polish soldiers have fought and work side-by-side

with Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan and on behalf of all

Americans, I want to salute you and thank you. Very special people. I

also want to thank the Polish people for their kindness to more than 5000

American troops that are stationed in your country. Our strong alliance

with Poland and Nato remains critical to deterring conflict and

ensuring that war between great powers never again ravages Europe

and that the world will be a safer and better place. America is

committed to maintaining peace and security in central and eastern

Europe. We are working with Poland in response to Russia's actions and

destabilising behaviour, and we are grateful for the example Poland has

set for every member of the Nato alliance by being one of the few

nations that actually meet its financial obligations. As you know,

I have been pretty hard on some of the members of Nato for not, and the

money is pouring in. I can tell you. I was criticised, but I can also

said that the people of Nato are not criticising me. The money has been

pouring in in the last year. It is past time for all countries in the

Nato alliance to get going and to get up to their obligations. But

Poland has been right there and you will even exceed that number, and I

appreciate that and so do other countries. During our meeting, I

congratulated President Duda on Poland's recent election to the

United Nations Security Council. We also discussed our mutual commitment

to safeguarding the values at the heart of our Alliance - freedom,

sovereignty and the rule of law. Poland joins the Security Council at

a critical time. It's a critical time for the world, because you see

what's going on. Not only must we secure our nations from the threat

of terrorism, but we must also confront the threat from North

Korea. That's what it is, it's a threat. And we will confront it very

strongly. President Duda and I call on all nations to confront this

global threat and publicly demonstrate to North Korea that

there are consequences of their very, very bad behaviour. We also

discussed the ongoing humanitarian catastrophe in Syria and the need to

defeat Isis and other terrorist groups where they control territory

and populations. We have fought very hard and very powerfully against

Isis since I have been president, and we have made tremendous gains,

far greater than has ever been made with respect to that group. While

the cities of Iraq and Mosul will soon be liberated from these

murderers, criminals and butchers, we recognise that Syria requires a

political solution that does not advance Iran's destructive agenda

and does not allow terrorist organisations to return. We also

reaffirmed that any nation that values human life can never tolerate

the use of chemical weapons, and we won't tolerate it either. Finally,

we agreed to work to expand, is between our countries. We support

the three Seas initiative and America stands ready to help Poland

and other European nations diversify their energy supplies so that you

can never be held hostage to a single supplier or, as we sometimes

call it, a monopoly. I am pleased to report that the first shipment of

American liquefied natural gas arrive in Poland last month and

there will be many more coming. Maybe we can get your price up a

bit, but that's OK. He is a tough negotiator. We look forward to

making the economic ties between the United States and Poland stronger,

the trading relationships. And we want reciprocal trade relationships.

We don't have too many of them. I said before that the United States

has made some of the worst trade deals ever in history. That's going

to change. That's going to change. The friendship between our peoples

dates all the way back to the American revolution. It's a long

time. I look forward to speaking more about these enduring bonds of

faith and freedom when I addressed the entire Polish nation in a little

while. I hear we have a big crowd. I think they are showing up for you

and not for me, right? So President Duda, thank you again for welcoming

Melania and myself to your beloved homeland. Together, we can make the

partnership between our two nations stronger than ever before. Special

people, special place and it's an honour to be here. Thank you.

TRANSLATION: Thank you, Mr President. Now we have time to take

questions from each side. Let us start with a guest from the United

States. Is there any question from the US side?

Thank you, Mr President. In light of North Korea's latest ICM testing, do

you think there is a chance they might make game U-turn? Are you

ready and willing to launch military action against them? If I may, since

you started the whole wrestling video thing, what are your thoughts

about what has happened since then? CNN went after you and has

threatened to expose the identity of the business had responsible. I

think what CNN did was unfortunate for them. As you know, they have

some pretty serious problems. They have been fake news for a long time,

they have been covering me in a very dishonest way. Do you have that

also, Mr President? With CNN and others, NBC is equally as bad,

despite the fact I made them a fortune with The Apprentice, but

they forgot that. CNN has really taken it too seriously. I think they

have hurt themselves very badly. Very, very badly. What we want to

see in the United States is honest, beautiful, three, but honest press.

We want to see fair press. I think it's an important thing. We don't

want fake news. Either way, not everybody is fake news. But we don't

want fake news. Bad thing. Very bad for our country. As far as North

Korea is concerned, I don't know, we will see what happens. I don't like

to talk what I have planned. I have pretty severe things that we are

thinking about. It doesn't mean we're going to do them. I don't draw

red lines. President Obama drew a red line and I made it a better than

it was, but that could have been done sooner and he would not have

the same situation you have now in Syria. That was a mistake. We will

look at what happens in the coming weeks and months. It's a shame that

they are behaving this way. But they are behaving in a very, very

dangerous manner. Since we are speaking about press freedom is,

your party has significantly clamped down on press freedoms in the past

year and now appears to be weakening the power of the National courts as

well. Do you think that people who live in other modern democracies,

including some Americans, are wrong to criticise you for limiting which

reporters can cover the Parliament? TRANSLATION: To respond to your

question, sir, media order is a very significant thing indeed. When we

look at the situation in the United States, the situation in Poland, in

every case you can see a lot of pathologies. I can give you an

example of one of the Polish magazines that compared two

channels. One of the broadcasters did not report on my visit to

Croatia, because the broadcaster does not like me as the President of

Poland. I am permanently criticised by that broadcaster. But I believe

that is just the reality, it is the right of the media. In Poland we

have absolute liberty and freedom of the media. Problems were there

during previous governments. When the former President was in office,

one of the magazines was visited by the special services in order to

take away recordings which are compromising for the politicians of

the previous ruling party. So, that was when freedom was under threat.

Now we have absolute freedom of the media. We do respect the freedom of

the media, we take care of the interests of the Republic of Poland

and Polish people. The first question now, from Polish

television. One question, please. I represent Polish television. One

question concerning energy. Both of you mentioned energy and the

deliveries of energy. What time period you think a permanent

contract could be entered into to ensure LNG deliveries? And to

President Duda, could Poland become a hope to countries? I think we

could enter a contract with LNG within the next 15 minutes, do you

have anybody available to negotiate? We are becoming a great exporter of

energy. Soon we will be a very great exporter of energy. We have taken a

lot of unnecessary regulations out of our process. We are doing things

we haven't been able to do for a long time. So, we are blessed with

great land. We didn't even know it, 15 years ago, in terms of what was

beneath our feet. We have found out, through technology, that we are

truly blessed to have this incredible wealth under our feet. We

are going to be an exporter of energy. It is already happening. Any

time you are ready, we could do additional contracts.

Cancellation mark I can give you the following answer, it is not the

President of the United States and the President of Poland that are

going to sign long-term contracts for LNG gas deliveries to Poland.

But it can be signed by a Polish company and American company and

this is how it will be preceded. The most important thing is that there

is green light given by the US government, the US administration,

that there is an incentive given by Americans to buy gas from the United

States. On the Polish side, there is also a green light, there is

interest in this particular thing. I count that after relevant

negotiations, I know the negotiations are ongoing, I believe

that the conclusion of the negotiations there will be a

long-term contract for US LNG deliveries to our terminal.

Answering the second part of the question, can we become hub through

which gas, LNG gas, American gas, will flow to Central Europe, I am

convinced the answer is yes. Today we are going to talk about this

under the framework of the CCC initiative. It is also the gas

corridor. In the future, this could insure alternative supplies, Russian

supplies come alternative supplies for Ukraine. This is our primary

importance and this is what we discussed with President Trump. I am

convinced that the future is very rosy on this one, very bright,

contract will be entered into. Of course, we are going to develop our

capacities as regards the reception of the LNG gas from the US and other

directions. The media is free and Poland, so now a question from a

private broadcaster. TRANSLATION: Question to both

presidents, you mentioned military cooperation. I would like to find

out whether, during your exchange, were there any guarantees

surrounding the presence of American troops in Poland as long as there is

threat from the Russian side? How do you see the future of the presence

of American troops in Poland? We didn't discuss guarantees and we

were not really in that position to discuss guarantees. We have been

here for a long time. We have quite a future at here, to 5000. We will

continue to do that. We will continue to work with Poland. But we

did not discuss guarantees. TRANSLATION: Well, sir, the topic we

discussed first and foremost was the security situation here. We

discussed in the context of what is happening in our part of Europe, the

context of the manoeuvres that we have already mentioned and, from

that point of view, there is no doubt that the presence of American

troops and Nato troops in Poland today is absolutely justified from

this perspective. If we had to this the situation we are seeing in

Ukraine all the time, it is absolutely clear. We are going to

discuss it further with Mr President. We made an initial

agreement to make next year a visit to the United States in the White

House. The details will be worked out later. That is important for us

and for Polish Americans. Next year we celebrate the centennial of

Poland regaining independence. I would like, myself and Mr

presidents, distressed together the importance of this year. It shows

the contribution of the Polish people to the wealth of the United

States. Last question, American media. Very briefly, because they do

have to attend a summit. President Trump will select the next

journalist. Two part question, if I may. Will you once and for all, yes

no, definitively say that Russia interfered in the 2016 election? I

think it was Russia and it could have been other people and other

countries. It could have been a lot of people interfered. I have said it

very simply. I think it could have been Russia, but it could well have

been other countries and I will not be specific. I think a lot of people

interfere. I think it's been happening for a long time. It's been

happening for many years. The thing I have to mention is that Barack

Obama, when he was President, found out about this in terms of whether

it was Russia. He found out about it in August. The election was in

November. That's a lot of time. He did nothing about it. Why did he do

nothing about it? He was told it was Russia by the CIA, as I understand

it. It was well reported. And he did nothing about it. They say he

choked. I don't think he choked. I think he thought Hillary Clinton was

going to win the election and said, let's not do anything about it. Had

he thought the other way, he would have done something about it. He was

told in early August by, presumably, the CIA, that Russia was trying to

get involved or meddling pretty strongly with the election. He did

nothing about it. The reason is that he thought Hillary was going to win.

If he thought I was going to win, he would have done plenty about it.

That's the real question, why did he do nothing from August all the way

to November? His people said he choked. I don't think he choked. The

follow up on that, you again so you think it was Russia. Your

intelligence agencies have been far more definitive. They say it was

Russia. Why won't you agree with them and say it was? I heard it was

17 agencies. I said, that's a lot, do we even have that many

intelligence agencies? Let's check it. We did heavy research. It turned

out to be three or four. It wasn't 17. Many of your compatriots had to

change their reporting and they had to apologise and correct. With that

being said, mistakes have been made. I agree. I think it was Russia but I

think it was probably other people and countries. I see nothing wrong

with that statement. Nobody really knows. Nobody really knows for sure.

I remember when I was sitting listening about Iraq. Weapons of

mass destruction. How everybody was 100% sure that Iraq had weapons of

mass destruction. Guess what? That led to one big mess. There were

wrong and it led to a mess. So, it was Russia and I think it was

probably others also, and that's been going on for a long period of

time. I do question is, why did Obama do nothing about it from

August until November? You did nothing about it and it wasn't

because he choked. Two questions, thank you very much.

We must go. Can I ask of President Duda?

A battle of wills going on at the end with a number of questions that

meant the limit was reached and the report are still trying to ask a

question. Interesting comments from Donald Trump relating to North

Korea. The world is watching after the missile launcher as to what

America's action might be, what might be the rest of the world's

reaction. He was asked if he was ready to launch military action

against North Korea. He said, we will see what happens over the

coming weeks, I have some severe things we are thinking about but I

don't want to talk about what I might do. They are behaving in a

dangerous man and something has to be done, but I don't draw red lines.

That is Donald Trump in Poland. Coming up, the chairman of the Iraq

war inquiry says Tony Blair was not straight overtaking the country into

the Iraq war. We will discuss if he is right a year after the report.

Let's catch up with the weather. Another hot and humid day across the

UK today, mainly England and Wales. With the heat and humidity we are

going to see some storms developing later. As you can see from one of

the weather Watchers, that lumpy cloud is a precursor for storms to

kick off today. One or two of those could be in the south-east of

England. Mainly it will be across the Midlands, eastern areas of

England. Torrential rain likely in the afternoon. Sunny spells in

between. Cloudier, outbreaks of rain for a time. This is to build again

in the south, to about 30 Celsius. -- DC seat builds again. Those

thundery showers will move further east and into the sea. On Friday,

another day where we have showers across the North. It will feel

fresher across the north and West. Temperatures in the South 28 or 29.

Further north, a cooler day in Manchester. 17 or 18 degrees in

Manchester. The Chairman of the inquiry

into the Iraq war, Sir John Chilcot, speaks exclusively to the BBC

for the first time since I think any Prime Minister taking a

country into war has got to be straight with the nation and carry

it as far as possible with him or her. I don't believe that was the

case in the Iraq instance. We will look back at the inquiry present and

discuss the decision to take the country into war with a panel of

experts. Also, the victims of the breast surgeon Ian Paterson that

went private denied compensation for their botched operations. We will

talk to some of them about their court battle. And we will find out

why sham marriages are being used by some British Asian gay men and women

to mask their sexuality. We feel like we need to do it to fit into

the community and to be accepted by our parents. The reason I would not

come out to my parents was because I would be disowned.

Here's Julian in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

One year on from the inquiry into the Iraq War, the man

who chaired it has, for the first time, given his personal

Sir John Chilcot told the BBC that he believes

the former Prime Minister, Tony Blair, was not "straight

with the nation" about the decisions made in the run-up to war.

China and Russia have urged the US to show restraint after the

ambassador to the UN warned that the test launch of an intercontinental

ballistic missile had cast a dark shadow over the world.

Nikki Haley told an emergency meeting of the Security Council that

the tests represented a sharp military escalation and current

international sanctions were not enough.

Speaking in the last few minutes President Trump has said North Korea

will face consequences for its bad behaviour.

with the Polish president in Warsaw, President Trump said

North Korea will face consequences for its bad behaviour.

As far as North Korea is concerned, we will see what happens. I don't

like to talk about what I have planned, but there are some severe

things we are thinking about. That doesn't mean we are going to do 'em.

I don't draw red lines. President Obama drew a red line and I was the

one that made it look better than it was, but that could have been done a

lot sooner and you would not have had the same situation you have now

in Syria. That was a big mistake. The EU's chief Brexit negotiator

Michel Barnier has said that "frictionless trade" with Britain

will be possible only if the UK remains in the single market

and the customs union. Speaking in Brussels,

he said the EU's refusal to give Britain "piecemeal access"

to the single market had not been A quarter of adult care services

in England are not safe enough, A report by the Care Quality

Commission says most care homes, nursing homes and home care services

are good, but too many That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10.30. Loads of you are getting in touch on

care following on from the CQC report that said there are a lot of

care situations where the care is not safe. Sharon says I am watching

your programme on unsafe care. I installed a camera in my mother's

room, exposing unsafe care. CQC took action but my mother remains unsafe

because as a result, the nursing home claimed our relationship

between intractable because I installed a camera in my mother's

room and provided the footage to safeguarding, which led to people

being suspended. They serve notice on my mother, saying they would only

allow her to stay if I was banned from having any contact with her due

to the trouble I had caused. Barry says, we judge a society on how we

look after the weakest and unfortunately, the CQC is toothless.

What a disgrace that the safety of the vulnerable are being left at

risk. They must impose the strongest penalties on these profit-making

organisations. Derek says, I did work in care homes not directly

related to the care, but I noticed that the food etc improved when an

inspection was due. All inspections should be unannounced or the

inspection is pointless. Brian says, my 97-year-old mother is in a family

run care home in Devon. The CQC recently rated them as outstanding.

The carers are cheerful and caring and my mother is happy. The media

seem to portray the caring industry as substandard, but there are many

good hands out there. Mavis says, I am grateful for the husband my home

is in the schmuck the home my husband is in. The staff are

wonderful, the food is good, he's showered and shaved every day. I

cannot thank them enough. I go four times a week and stay until seven

p:m.. Thank you for those comments. Do get in touch. Let's catch up now

with the sport. Home fans had lots to cheer

about at Wimbldeon yesterday, because for the first time in 20

years, there are four British Johanna Konta said it was

great to be part of it - she needed three sets

and three hours to beat Donna Vekic, but she made it

through to round three I am definitely here with the

intention to be part of the event for the full two weeks. But as you

saw out there, every single player here plays at a very high level, so

there is no easy match and I am just grateful to have another go.

There was a memorable win for Heather Watson,

who dominated against the 18th seed Anastasia Sevastova,

and faces the former world number one Victoria Azarenka next.

Aljaz Bedene also reached the third round for the first time

in his career, beating one of his good friends

And last but definitely not least, Andy Murray's bid for a third

title is still on course, after an entertaining

but comfortable win over one of the game's great characters,

And there could even be five British players in round three -

Kyle Edmund takes on Gael Monfils this afternoon - they're first

on Centre Court at one o'clock, but coverage from Wimbledon starts

and Irish Lions head coach Warren Gatland says they can "leave

a legacy" by beating New Zealand in the deciding Test on Saturday.

It would be the Lions' first series win over the All Blacks in 46 years.

Gatland said: "We have got another level in us,

Lots of cricket to tell you about - England's women are well-placed

for a semi-final spot in the World Cup, after

Tammy Beaumont and Sarah Taylor put on a record-breaking stand of 275

They won by 68 runs to go third in the group, heading into a meeting

with defending champions Australia on Sunday.

And England's men begin their four-Test series

against South Africa this morning at Lord's.

It's Joe Root's first Test match as captain.

I am obviously confident in the squad we have got, but I respect

that they are a very strong side which has been consistent and has

played well away from home. I am fully aware that we will have to be

at our best to beat them. But I have full confidence in them. And play

gets under way shortly at 11 o'clock.

Coming up, we will have that exclusive interview with Sir John

Chilcot for you. It is a year since he published his report into the

Iraq war, so we will be hearing from him. It is the first time he has

spoken publicly since that report was published, and we will have

reaction to it. Further two years, the BBC has been monitoring the

number of people from the UK who have been drawn into the war in Iraq

and Syria. British authorities estimate around 850 people have

travelled to support or Fifa jihadist groups. In the past three

years, more than 100 have been convicted of terrorism offences

relating to Syria and Iraq. The youngest was a 14-year-old schoolboy

from Blackburn. 18 were women and girls. More than 85% of those

convicted have never been to Syria or Iraq. Many were intercepted

before they could leave the UK. Police say five terror plots have

been foiled since March and 18 since 2013. The Director of Public

Prosecutions, Alison Saunders, has warned that if people can no longer

travel to Syria, they may carry out more attacks here.

Let's talk now to Dr Sajjan Gohel from think-tank

Asia-Pacific Foundation - he has worked with the

Foreign Affairs Committee on security issues.

Hannah Stuart is Co-Head of the Security and Extremism Unit

at Policy Exchange - she profiled Islamic

extremists who had been convicted in the UK in 2015.

Steve Swann is a BBC home affairs reporter who's been working on this

story and written a book all about Britain's jihadis.

Steve, tell us more about the picture you have built up? We are

seeing a wide cross-section of people that have been drawn into

this conflict from the UK. You talked about very young people, a

14-year-old schoolboy inciting an act of terrorism overseas. We have

seen some of the people convicted from surprising walks of life, the

son of a police officer, a hospital executive. We have seen lots of

people with a criminal background, people with no former criminal

background, educated people, uneducated people. It is a curious

mix. Interestingly, a growing number of women and girls are being drawn

in. 60% of the database of convicted terrorists related to this -- 16% of

the database are women and girls. Hannah, what do you make of this

curious mix of people being involved? It is really interesting.

Steve's findings resonate with what I found when I profiled all people

who have been convicted of Islamist offences. Going back nearly 20 years

now, there are many similarities, especially in the fact that it is

almost impossible to draw out one single profile. There are so many

routes into this type of offending. In radicalisation can happen online,

in schools, in mosques, through individuals, through family

networks. Equally, some have travelled abroad, others haven't.

Some of your findings were similar to mine, particularly the growing

prevalence of women and the increase in online radicalisation. Dr Sajjan

Gohel, what is the prevalent in terms of people wanting to go abroad

and people being blocked from going? As Isis grew and expanded its

tentacles from 2011 onwards, it used the internet as its oxygen of

publicity. And through encrypted messaging, they were able to

communicate with people to recruit, Baltacha lies and even guide them as

to how to get Iraq and Syria via Turkey. Now many of those routes

have been cut off of the Isis is now telling its followers that if you

can't join us, carry out attacks wherever you may be. And

unfortunately, we are seeing more of these plots emerge where people have

not travelled abroad, but they have potentially been in contact with

people online to carry out what Isis calls just terror tactics like using

a vehicle to mow down people or carry out multiple stabbings. As

Isis continues to lose territory, they will encourage the followers

abroad to carry out as many attacks as possible and take down as many

people with them as they go down. So what is the answer to that. If the

security situation has worsened here and this is what the Director of

Public Prosecutions is saying as well, security situation is worse

here because people are blocked from going abroad? We are seeing

spontaneous terrorism. This is not a sophisticated Al-Qaeda plot

involving a dozen people intending to blow up an airliner. You are

talking about simple, cost-effective terrorism, which is hard for the

authorities to disrupt, although the police and intelligence agencies

have done a very good job. One area that needs to be looked at is more

front-line policing. Those police officers that interact with the

communities can pick up information on the ground and feed it in to the

centre. Front-line police officers were reduced after 2011, which

coincide with the growth of Isis. In terms of funding for

counterterrorism, that is sufficient. But the bobby on the

beat can pick up bits of information which are so important and interact

with communities. Communities are also the front line in supporting

the police. Hannah, some people might say if someone wants to go

abroad and fight, why not let them go if the alternative is keeping

them here and having a security risk here? It is their right to leave but

maybe not their right to return afterwards. I think we would be

almost outsourcing our own home-grown terrorist problems if we

let that happen. It would not be fair to people in the conflict in

Syria and Iraq. It is right that we want to prevent people from

travelling, but we have to put investor mechanisms to then mitigate

the risks from those who stay. The concept of what we call a frustrated

traveller, these are serious individuals. There was a case a few

years ago where an individual who had attempted to travel to Syria was

almost gloating on WhatsApp with some of his friends saying, of

course I am now going to try and do something here. That is unacceptable

and there needs to be a range of measures. Whether that is from

reintroducing more restrictive measures against terrorism suspects,

that is one thing at the sharp end for people who have not been able to

travel to Syria, but we strongly suspect are engaged in terrorism

related activity. Another thing would be for these individuals to be

invited to join the Prevent programme and the deradicalisation

programme. So their options and they should be used to their full

potential. For more information you can go to

the BBC News database, which tells the story of more than 250 jihadists

from the UK. It is a year until the Mark Cousins

John Chilcot published his report into the war in Iraq.

The aim was to oust Saddam Hussein, who, it was claimed, had the ability

to launch weapons of mass destruction. Concludes that it has

ethical weapons, that he has existing and active military plans

for the use of chemical and biological weapons. They could be

activated within 45 minutes, including against his own

population. In the aftermath of the invasion, violence intensified. Over

the coming years, tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians died. By the time

the UK pulled out of the country, 179 British troops lost their lives.

By 2015, the power vacuum in Iraq also saw large swathes of the

country fall under the control of the so-called Islamic State,

although some areas have since been reclaimed by Iraqi forces.

In 2009, Sir John Chilcot was asked to lead a

Now is the right time to ensure we have a proper process in place to

learn the lessons of this complex and often controversial event

But it took seven years to be published.

When it was, he criticised almost every part of the

UK's involvement - the reasons it began,

the intelligence provided and the post-war planning.

We have concluded that the UK chose to join

the invasion of Iraq before the peaceful options

Military action at that time was not a last resort.

The judgment about the severity of the

threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, WMD, were

presented with a certainty that was not justified.

It is now clear that policy on Iraq was made on the basis

of flawed intelligence and assessments.

Planning and preparation for Iraq after Saddam

It led to calls for former Prime Minister Tony Blair to face charges.

I've gone back to that time when I learned that my

And there is one terrorist in this world that the world

Mr Blair apologised for any mistakes made, but said he

The mistakes in planning and process, I

And I accept responsibility, and I'm not passing

I accept full responsibility for those mistakes.

I can look not just the families of this country, but the

nation in the eye and say I did not mislead this country.

I made the decision in good faith on the

In an exclusive interview with the BBC's political

editor Laura Kuenssberg, Sir John Chilcot has

given his personal views on Tony Blair's conduct

Do you believe that Tony Blair was as straight

with you and the public as he ought to have been?

Can I slightly reword that to say I think any Prime Minister taking

a country into war has got to be straight with the nation

and carry it, so far as possible, with him or her.

I don't believe that was the case in the Iraq instance.

In your view, was it a necessary war?

I mean, you say plainly in the report the peaceful options

To that extent, it doesn't satisfy the "last resort" criteria.

To that extent, not necessary for the United Kingdom to join.

I leave the Americans to make their own argument.

Is there a case, do you think, for politicians involved to face

some kind of further test, to face the law?

In theory, the General Assembly of the United Nations could commission

If it's not a court internationally recognised, you haven't got

an authoritative verdict as an outcome, so other

than reputational damage, what's involved?

I take a more nuanced position, if I'm allowed to, which is that it

could have become a necessary war had the intelligence proved to be

And in effect it's the Colin Powell position - don't exclude war,

but don't do it yet, it's not necessary yet.

When you read through the information in the report,

particularly about preparation, it's astonishing.

Because it must have been somebody's fault.

The critique that we mount, and mounted, and I still stand by,

was that a Prime Minister at the head of a government

of a large country can't be expected to run a war on his/her own.

What we say he could and should have done was appoint a very senior

non-departmental minister to run the show and coordinate otherwise

very senior ministers - Defence, Foreign Office -

And the fact is there was no, I think we used the rather idiomatic

term, there was no buy-in by all the different departments

Does that mean, then, the British Government put British

servicemen and women and Iraqi civilians in harm's

Having studied it in such detail, seeing for the first time before

any of us those notes, those intimate notes between

Tony Blair and George W Bush, do you think the relationship

between the US and UK at that stage was appropriate?

Was the relationship between the Prime Minister

I think that the fundamental British strategy was fractured,

because our formal policy right up to the autumn of 2002

was one of containment, that was the concluded

But the Prime Minister was running one of coercive diplomacy,

with the knowledge and support of the Foreign Secretary.

But the Foreign Secretary hoped diplomacy would

I think with the Prime Minister it probably looked the other way round.

So it was clear to you that Tony Blair was running his own game

with George Bush while the rest of the Government, apart

from one or two people, didn't know what was going on?

Tony Blair made much of, at various points and still does,

I think, of the need to exert influence on American policy-making.

To do that he said in terms at one point, "I have

to accept their strategic objective of regime change in order

So in effect it was a passive strategy, just go along.

Now we can speak to Lord Falconer, former Lord Chancellor and a key

ally to Tony Blair in the run-up to the war, Imran Khan,

a lawyer who is bringing a private prosecution against Tony Blair over

the war, Bill Stewardson, whose son Alex was killed in Iraq

in 2007 and Tim Collins, a retired army officer

Welcome, all of you. Thank you for joining us. Lord Falconer, first of

all, he talks about a passive strategy in the run-up to war.

Effectively, Tony Blair having decided early on he would support

George Bush, come what may. The evidence he gave to the Iraq

inquiry, Sir John Chilcot said it was emotionally truthful but relied

on beliefs, not facts. The fundamental reason for going to war

was the belief that there were weapons of mass destruction. Tony

Blair believed that. In part of the interview you have not shown,

Chilcot confirmed that he checked with the chairman of the joint

intelligence committee, the person that assesses the intelligence, is

it your view that there are weapons of mass destruction beyond

reasonable doubt? The chairman of the committee said, yes, that is the

position. He acted on an honest belief. What's more, Chilcot said on

previous occasions, including this report, that he acquits the

Government of deliberate you try to mislead the public or parliament.

Yes, we were wrong in relation to whether or not there were weapons of

mass destruction. But it wasn't a campaign of deceit that led to is

going to war. Sir John Chilcot does not doubt Tony Blair's sincerity in

saying that he believed what he was doing was right. But I guess it is

the issue of whether it would have been different had he not started

from a position of believing that it was the right action, and therefore,

effectively, looking for things to back that up, rather than saying,

let's keep a complete open mind. When you look at that document from

2002, when Tony Blair said to George Bush, I shall be with you whatever,

his mind was made up? What he was trying to do was get Bush to agree

it was an international solution, rather than a unilateral solution by

the UK. But it was signing up to war in early on? In exchange for that

was that the USA agreed to go down the multilateral route of the United

Nations, which ultimately didn't work. But that is what Tony was

trying to achieve in relation to that. It was a legitimate thing to

try to do. We were wrong, because there were no weapons of mass

destruction, as we now know. But the point that Chilcot is making, they

are fine points with the benefit of hindsight. The question that

occupies minds and tortures people is the question of whether, have

there been a different approach from the outset, the issue of whether

there were weapons of mass destruction would have been found

out before the war and therefore the course of history would have been

completely different. That is a legitimate issue. What the British

Government were trying to do, led by Tony Blair, was trying to get an

international solution before force was used. To some extent, Tony

achieve that by delaying, while the international community looked at

the issue. But not for long enough, as it transpired. He talks about

Tony Blair's state of mind. He said he was under great emotional

pressure during the hearings on the Iraq inquiry. He said he was

suffering, deeply engaged. How would you describe Tony Blair's state of

mind? It is an issue of such gravity, the use of force and the

fact that people have died because of the decisions that Tony has made.

Of course it is a matter that is totally engaged. As Sir John Chilcot

said, Tony did not depart from the truth in what he said. Does it still

keep him awake at night? Sure he thinks about it every single day

because of the enormity of the decisions had to make. Let's go to

Bill Stewardson. Your son, Alex, was killed in Iraq in 2007. Do you

believe your son was killed in a war that should never have happened?

Good morning. No, I don't believe that for one second. I am very

disappointed that Mr Chilcot has popped up, 12 months after a huge

inquiry, to speak the way he has spoken. I accepted a long time ago

that Mr Blair acted on reasonable evidence, placed in front of him. It

is so very easy to jump on that issue afterwards and try to vilify

him for taking what was a reasonable decision. There are a lot of parents

and loved ones of people that did die in the war who think very

differently from you. Do you understand where they are coming

from? Do you have sympathy with their view? I wake up every day and

missed my son, and live with the guilt. I am sure all of those other

bereaved people are exactly the same. It is not for me to speak on

their behalf. But it does have to be said, you played a clip again of a

broken, bereaved relative in leading into this issue. Where is the good

in that? As long as there are people whose loved ones will not come home

today, there will be hatred of Tony Blair. That is the way it is. I do

wish the media would leave that well alone. Kim Collins, what is your

perspective now? John Chilcot says he believes things have changed in

the military as a result of the inquiry. Well, I think the Iraq war

was the beginning of the end for the British Army as we understood it.

Not just Iraq, Afghanistan. We have a much smaller army now, an army

that's focus has changed, the ethos is changing, it is less of an

expeditionary ethos, it is more of a defensive mindset. That has come as

a result of the Iraq war. One of the findings among the causes of this,

one of the findings of the Chilcot Report was that the army was

defeated in Iraq. Imran Khan, you are bringing a case against Tony

Blair. There was a previous court ruling that effectively gave him

immunity from prosecution. What is the case to a brain? The case you

are referring to was in 2006, Lord Bingham, the head of the House of

Lords, then was, said that Parliament need to bring in and act

in order to bring make the act of aggression they crime in this

country. When Chilcot Report is, my client is an Iraqi general whose

life was destroyed as a result of the war, now claiming refugee status

in another country. He read that report and said we ought to take

action, this report sets out in damning terms precisely what

happened. He laid the information at a spinster Magistrates' Court. We

have to persuade the court in this country that Lord Bingham who made

the decision, effectively giving immunity, that the decision was

wrong. That was heard yesterday in the High Court and we are awaiting a

decision. What is the public interest? Two, we have to make

discretion conduct, those that conduct themselves in this way, they

should be held accountable. Secondly, it is about deterring

future leaders. Whatever political persuasion, we have to set a

benchmark by which leaders, whichever country, behave. If they

are going to take us into illegal wars, which we say it was, in this

instance, they should be held accountable and prosecuted. Lord

Falconer? What the government and Tony Blair

were doing at the time was making judgments about the national

interest. Chilcot today says maybe it wasn't necessary at the time, but

it might have become necessary to save -- to say the Prime Minister

should be in a criminal court for making these fine judgments with the

benefit of hindsight seems to me to be wholly wrong. It is for the

courts to decide whether there is is an offence. As Imran rightly says,

the courts have said so far that there isn't such an offence, because

the Prime Minister is making difficult judgments and giving

leadership in relation to what is best for the UK. So my view is that

there should not be a crime here. But as Imran says, the courts will

decide that. They have so far dismissed the claim, saying there is

not a crime and that the Prime Minister was defending the country.

Bill Stewardson, what are your thoughts? Thank you for asking me.

We are hearing all this noise about Tony Blair and it is time it

stopped, but I would like to make a point. Mr Cameron sent RAF bombers

on bombing raids without even informing parliament. Why are we not

hearing the same thing about that? A final thoughts from you, Lord

Falconer. What do you think about Sir John Chilcot's decision to speak

out now and to effectively delve into the emotion of Tony Blair

around the decision-making? I don't understand it. He took years to

write the report and should stand behind it. He shouldn't give an

interview like this. Thank you all very much.

A spokesperson for Tony Blair said he had "dealt with the issues raised

in detail following the publication of the report".

With the news, here's Julian in the BBC Newsroom.

President Trump has suggested that America may have to take action

on North Korea following its long range missile test.

with the Polish president in Warsaw, Mr Trump did not give any

indication of the type of action, but said North Korea was behaving

in a very dangerous manner and something will have

The head of the inquiry into the Iraq war, Sir John Chilcot,

has said he does not believe Tony Blair was "straight

with the nation" about his decisions in the run-up

He told BBC News that Mr Blair's evidence to the inquiry

was "emotionally truthful", but he suggested that he had

relied on his own beliefs rather than the facts.

Mr Blair has previously said the inquiry found

The EU's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier has said that

"frictionless trade" with Britain will be possible only if the UK

remains in the single market and the customs union.

He said it will not be possible for Britain to enjoy all the benefits of

the single market when it leaves. Speaking in Brussels,

he said the EU's refusal to give Britain "piecemeal access"

to the single market had not been Inspectors have warned that

a quarter of social care services for adults in England

are not safe enough. The Care Quality Commission

says most care is good, but describes the quality of some

services as "fragile That's a summary of the latest

news, join me for BBC

Newsroom Live at 11 o'clock. In the past half an hour,

Manchester United have agreed a fee in the region of ?75 million

for Everton striker Romelu Lukaku. United are understood to have

been pursuing Lukaku for most of the summer,

but the deal is not connected to talks aimed at taking

Wayne Rooney to Everton. Mo Farah has stressed he has "never

failed a blood test" following the release of hacked

documents which appear to show his test results

once caused suspicion. The data goes on to show

Farah's results were later British and Irish Lions head

coach Warren Gatland says they have the chance to "leave

a legacy" by beating New Zealand in the decisive

third Test on Saturday. Not for 46 years have they won

a series against the All Blacks. Johanna Konta is one of four Britons

through to the third That's not happened for 20 years -

and it could be five, if Kyle Edmund beats

Gael Monfils today. And England have won the toss and

chose in to bat in the test against South Africa at Lord's. They start

at 11 o'clock. Thanks, Jessica. In May, the breast surgeon

Ian Paterson was jailed for carrying out unnecessary operations

on hundreds of his patients. In some cases, he'd

invented a cancer diagnosis in order to persuade women

to go under the knife. The patients he treated on the NHS

have received compensation, but his private patients are having

to fight in court to get their money and fear they may

end up with nothing. We can speak now to two

of Mr Paterson's private patients, who as of yet have received no

compensation, Deborah Douglas Linda Milliband is

the lawyer representing Linda, tell us what the situation is

for private patients regarding compensation. Why is it different?

In this case, there are three defendants to the civil case which

will be heard at the High Court in London in October. The heart of

England foundation trusts and the MDU, who represent Mr Paterson are

saying that Mr Paterson only have operating rights in their hospital

and therefore, he was not an employee of theirs. So they do not

think they have to compensate the claimants in this case. And there is

the company that covered Ian Paterson, they covered him the ?10

million of claims against him personally. But there is a

possibility that they could not be liable for pay-outs if the clause

that says someone has committed a crime, they are not liable for

pay-outs? Yes. The MDU originally said they would put up the ?10

million, but after the verdict was given, they said they were reviewing

that. There are two clauses that they might withdraw the cover for.

The first one is indeed if Mr Paterson was involved in criminal

activity. The second one is whether he was involved in dishonest or

fraudulent activity. Obviously, they have known about his behaviour since

these cases commenced in 2013 and we think it is unfortunate that they

are now starting to review this cover within months of the trial.

Deborah, you had an unnecessary mastectomy, which must have been

horrendous to go through and horrendous than to find out you

didn't even have to have it. When did you find out it had been

unnecessary? It was after I had the solicitors involved. I have seen

several private consultants, and none of them would admit... They

admitted that I had had not enough breast tissue taken away. However,

one of them said to me, I am not going to put this in writing because

I don't want to go to court. So I had to see the solicitors to get an

independent assessment, and that was when I knew that I shouldn't have

had the operation. In effect, it left me with 50% breast tissue still

there after I received a full mastectomy. So to go through all

that and then to have to fight to get the case to court with

solicitors and everybody that was involved and now at the last hour,

when it is going to a civil case, for the MDU to come out with this

statement is appalling. There is no thought for what this is doing to

the emotions of the patients involved. So for me, this is another

nightmare. We just want this over now and we want to be compensated

for the years of anguish and the problems we have had, the mental and

physical issues we have had. We had unnecessary surgery. Helen, what was

your experience with Ian Paterson? I underwent five unnecessary

operations between 2004 and 2009. And again, I found out via the GMC

in July of 2012 that each of my operations had been unnecessary. And

how do you feel now about not just having been through that, but the

prospect of also not getting any compensation? It just adds to the

frustration of myself and the other women and men at the hands of

Paterson. The fact that he was convicted, it just adds insult to

injury. Presumably, you wish you had gone on the NHS. How are you left

feeling about the whole thing? Well, people believe that if you go

private, you have the quickness of getting into surgery and you have

cover. But people need to understand that as the law stands, they are not

covered if a consultant or surgeon undertakes any criminal activity.

There is no cover whatsoever. I should just read a statement from

Spire health care. Spire runs the hospital where Ian Paterson was

operating. They said they didn't have responsibility for what he was

doing because he was working there independently. Spire has been

responding since these matters came to light. "We Encourage other

parties to do the same. We would be concerned that any failure by MDU,

the insurance company, to stand behind its member in Paterson. We

urge them to ensure cover is available for patient claims. The

MDU is key to resolving this litigation. Where anyone has been

mistreated, the appropriate party must take responsibility, learn the

lessons and make amends". We have no statement from MDU. But thank you

all for joining us. We will stay across developments as they happen.

When now, let's take you to the House of Commons, where Labour's

social care minister Barbara Keeley is asking the government an urgent

question about funding for adult social care. Today, a CQC report

shows that in some areas, it is completely unacceptable that some

standards are below those expected by care users and their families.

This government views social care as a priority, which is why the spring

Budget this year announced an additional ?2 billion to councils in

England over the next three years to spend on adult social care services.

This means total councils will have access to 9.25 billion pounds more

dedicated funding for social care in the next three years, enough to

increase social care spending real terms. We have also been clear that

later this year, we will be consulting on the future of social

in this country. My right honourable friend the Health Secretary updated

the House on Monday about action he has taken to address delayed

discharges from hospital in advance of this winter. Last year, there

were 2.25 delayed discharges, up 24.5% from the 1.81 million in the

previous year. This government is clear that no one should stay in a

hospital bed longer than necessary. It removes people's dignity, reduces

quality of life and leads to poorer health and is more expensive for the

taxpayer. Since February, there have been significant improvements within

the health care system, with a record decrease in delayed

discharges from April this year. But we must make faster and more

significant progress in advance of next winter to free up beds for the

sickest patients and reduce pressures on A, which is why we

have introduced a further package of measures to support both the NHS and

local councils. This package includes guidance, plans a local

government and the NHS to deliver an equal share of expectation to free

up 2500 hospital beds and CQC reviews. We have been clear that we

will consider a review in November of 2018-19 allocations of social

care funding provided in the spring Budget of 2017 for areas that are

poorly performing. We have been clear that the Budget funding will

remain with local government to be used for adult social care.

The health minister, talking about the CQC report today that loads of

you are getting in touch with us about on the programme today. Your

concerns around care. One person has got in touch through Twitter,

saying, my daughter and I have agreed I will never end up in a care