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Hello, it's Friday it's 9 o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling,

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Donald Trump meet Vladimir Putin face-to-face today at the G20 summit

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in Hamburg. They will attempt to repair ties after damage over

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Russia's alleged meddling in the US election. The meeting comes one day

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after the President claimed the West needed to show the Will to survive

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international threats. To date we are in the West, and we have to say,

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there are dire threats to our security and to our way of life.

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Ahead of the meeting clashes between protesters have left more

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than 70 police officers injured and as you can see

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Citizens advice say the roll-out of Universal Credit, the new system by

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which all benefits are combined into one payment, should be paused until

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problems with it are sorted out. The EU rejects plea from Italy for more

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help dealing with migrants arriving at their shores, as the number of

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people making the journey across the Mediterranean soars. We'll take a

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look at what is happening and speak to people working on rescue ships.

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Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

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Lots to talk about this morning, and we do have some

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breaking news - police in Italy say a five storey apartment building has

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collapsed and a search for survivors is underway.

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We will also be live at Wimbledon this morning -

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as four Brits are in action at Wimbledon today.

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Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning -

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use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE and if you text, you will be charged

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Our main story, security is tight in the German city of Hamburg for the

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start of the G20 summit after a night of violent clashes between

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riot police and anti-capitalist protesters. Items on the agenda will

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be trade, climate change and North Korea. The American and Russian

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presidents will be meeting for the first time. Theresa May will call on

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world leaders to work together to cut off funding to terrorist groups.

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Our diplomatic correspondent James Robbins reports from hamburger. --

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from Hamburg. A global summit automatically

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triggers protest from those who accuse the world's most powerful

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leaders of serving narrow interests. "Welcome to hell," is one slogan

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to greet the presidents and prime ministers who are divided over

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a huge range of issues. But most eyes are focused

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on the controversial figure This summit host, Germany's

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Chancellor Angela Merkel, facing elections, has

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showed her anger in the past over the President's denunciation of

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the Paris Climate Change Agreement. But she's now hoping to combine

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toughness with a search The real prize fight here will be

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Mr Trump's first presidential bout On his way here, President Trump

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acknowledged the possibility Russia interfered in the American

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elections, at the same time he accused Russia of

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deliberate destabilisation These are charges denied

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by Vladimir Putin and the Kremlin. The two presidents may find some

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common ground but this very personal contest symbolises deep divisions

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among the wider leadership of the most powerful

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economies in the world. Disputes over trade and how

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to confront North Korea are among China, with Russia, wants to keep

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the focus on dialogue. The Prime Minister, Theresa May,

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has come to Hamburg pledging to continue her campaign to outlaw

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the financing of violent extremism. She will present new ideas

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for international co-oporation to try to identify and close down

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even small-scale channelling All summits throw division

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into sharp relief but still this Let's go live to James Robbins in

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Hamburg. Obviously, it's the G20, but it is effectively G two in

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particular getting all the attention. Lots of anticipation

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about what it is going to be like when Trump and Putin come together.

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Absolutely right, it's not wrong, I think, to focus on this political

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prizefight, this showdown between two rivals on the world stage you've

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never met before as presidents. It's a meeting scheduled for 30-35

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minutes according to the White House, relatively short. It will be

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what the cameras reveal for the short time they are present which

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most people will try to analyse. The two leaders squaring up to each

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other. One Donald Trump, some seven inches taller, 18 centimetres

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taller, than the Russian president, but the Russian president brings the

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experience that can often carry you through tough meetings, when Donald

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Trump has been in office for 170 days, less than six months.

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President Putin can correction occur less than eight months. President

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Putin has been in power for 17 years. It crystallises all the

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uncertainty in a rather rudderless world that the other leaders feel at

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this summit. Thank you very much, we'll be talking more about the

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potential around that particular meeting, plus the other issues, of

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course, facing world leaders at the G20 summit a little bit later. If

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you want to get in touch on that or anything else with talking about,

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get in touch. Annita is in the BBC

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Newsroom with a summary The senior judge who will lead the

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Grenfell Tower public enquiry has faced angry questions from survivors

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of the fire and local residents at a public meeting last night.

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Sir Martin Moore-Bick has been accused of not considering the

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social issues, something he denies. Tens of thousands of people will be

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forced into debt if changes are not made to the way the new welfare

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benefit, Universal Credit, is ruled out. That is according to the

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charity citizens advice, which is calling for improvements. Ministers

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insist the benefit is working, as our social affairs correspondent

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Michael Buchanan reports. At the Citizens Advice

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office in Bridgewater, an increasing number

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of people are coming in, Vicki Kelly has had to take the day

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off work to sort out her problems. She has no internet access at home

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and struggles to keep up Yeah, I'm having to take the day off

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from work to sort this out! They you want me to work and yet,

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you've got to take time off! What's it been like, then,

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the past few months? Struggling for money,

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having to find other work And obviously now, they have stopped

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it again at the moment, we have to make phone calls,

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make appointments to come back And again, it is more time off

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of work, losing more money. Universal Credit has been rolled out

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across rolled out across Britain, six welfare payments such as housing

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benefit and tax credits But problems are emerging -

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a survey conducted by Citizens Advice of those people it's

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helped found over a third of claimants are waiting longer

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than the six weeks they should One in ten people have to wait over

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ten weeks for Universal Credit. More than half have had

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to borrow money while waiting We are seeing at the moment

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thousands of people who are seriously worried

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about their personal situations and cannot fix it because the

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administration of Universal Credit is not helping them and the support

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is not there for them Ministers insist that

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Universal Credit is a success and say most claimants are satisfied

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with the benefit and that help it is available for

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those with problems. And at 9.30 Joanna will be hearing

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from people who have had problems with this credit system alongside

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an MP from the Work The World Health Organisation says

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gonorrhoea is getting much harder to treat -

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and it's essential that research is carried out to find

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new drugs and a vaccine. A study by the WHO in 77 countries

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suggests the sexually transmitted infection -

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which can cause infertility - is rapidly evolving

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resistance to antibiotics. They estimate that 78 million people

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pick up the disease worldwide each Mental health services in England

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are being overwhelmed by a combination of rising demand and

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staff shortages, according to a survey by NHS providers. There are

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also concerns extra government money designed to improve access for

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patients needing help is failing to reach front line services. Here is

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Dominic Hughes, health correspondent.

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Two years ago Alice Victor was struggling with an eating

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disorder but her GP told her it would take at least a year before

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In the end Alice went private but, thinking back, she remembers that

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It takes so much to come out and say I need help and I need professional

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help, and then to not get it is horrible.

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And having to wait longer and longer, you get stuck

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in the same unhealthy thought patterns and your mental

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A survey of bosses at mental health trusts across England paints

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a picture of services under pressure.

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70% expect demand to increase this year.

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Two out of three trusts say they don't have enough staff

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to cope, particularly mental health nurses and psychiatrists.

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And 80% say extra government money intended for mental health is not

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We have seen many, many more campaigns up and down the country

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really talking about breaking down the stigma of presenting for mental

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health treatment, but that means that demand is going

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And I think we are at risk of mental health trusts being overwhelmed

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The Department of Health in England said it expected NHS bosses to make

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sure an extra billion pounds each year reached frontline mental health

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Meanwhile, a BBC Radio 5 Live investigation has found a 16% rise

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in ambulance callouts to people suffering from suspected mental

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health problems, adding to the signs the pressure is building

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A US hospital is offering to ship an experimental drug to the UK

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to help treat terminally-ill Charlie Gard.

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The hospital in New York also offered to admit

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the 11-month-old if "legal hurdles" can be cleared.

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Charlie's parents are at the centre of a lengthy

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legal battle with doctors at London's Great Ormond Street

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Hospital, who say the treatment would not help the boy.

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A new gallery will open in David Hockney's hometown

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of Bradford today - to coincide with his 80th

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The David Hockney Gallery, at Cartwright Hall, houses

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the largest public collection of his early artworks

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The display also includes family photos and previously unseen footage

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David Dimbleby is used to dealing with difficult situations

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as the host of Question Time, but he was left a little red-faced

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last night when his alarm on his mobile interrupted

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the programme to tell him it was 'time for bed'.

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You put a fork in the road and we opted for

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Now we're in this situation, we're all going down that

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This is my stopwatch saying it's bedtime.

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Mine just says, its breakfast time. Let's catch up with the sport with

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Jess. Johanna Konta and Andy Murray lead

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British hopes at Wimbledon today as they take to the court

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in the third round. Konta, who is now the favourite

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with some bookmakers, plays Maria Sakkari of Greece

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and defending champion Murray plays Italy's Fabio

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Fognini on Centre Court. Heather Watson is up against former

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world number one Victoria Azarenka. Roger Federer is that he couldn't

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get rid of the nerves early in his match but still made it through in

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straight sets. In his first match as England captain, Joe Root hit 184

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not out against South Africa in the opening test at Lord's.

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After a shaky start, England closed the day

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Play gets back underway at 11 o'clock.

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And Chris Froome is still wearing the yellow jersey

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after what he described as one of the most relaxing days he'd ever

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had on the Tour de France - he's 12 seconds ahead

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After nearly 6 months in the White House, the time has

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finally come for Donald Trump to meet the power that some say

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Vladamir Putin will meet the President for the first time

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in person at the sidelines of the G20 summit in Hamburg.

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It is being billed as the showdown at the time surrounded by

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controversy with sanctions against Russia, the role of Nato and the

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conflict in Syria likely to be high on the agenda.

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Just yesterday, Trump stoked the fire when he urged Russia

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to "cease its destabilizing activities in Ukraine

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and its support for hostile regimes elsewhere."

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But how do the two superpowers match up?

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When the leaders of the world's two biggest superpowers,

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the United States and Russia, meet, it's always a big occasion.

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But today's meeting, the first between Donald Trump

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and Vladimir Putin, has added significance.

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In the lead-up to the US election, Donald Trump spoke very

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If Putin likes Donald Trump, I consider that an asset,

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But since he became President, their relationship has been

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controversial, with claims of Russian interference

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in the election process that could have helped him win.

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In terms of political experience, Putin's 13 years in the top job over

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two spells easily outweighs Trump's six months in office.

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But with 326 million citizens living in the US,

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compared to 142 million in Russia, Donald Trump is the leader

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In terms of how these people see their president,

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Vladimir Putin is much more popular on paper.

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Over 80% of Russians say they support him.

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Fewer than 40% of Americans approve of Donald Trump.

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When it comes to controversy, you don't get much bigger

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Donald Trump is still facing calls to be removed as president

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as investigators continue to probe those alleged links to Russia.

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For Vladimir Putin, the biggest controversy in recent years came

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when Russia annexed the Crimea from Ukraine in 2014.

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The actions were met with widespread condemnation,

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and the country was hit by international sanctions,

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So, where do the pair agree and disagree?

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One possible area of disagreement is Syria.

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Vladimir Putin has staunchly defended Syrian

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But after the Syrian government launched a chemical attack

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on its own people in April, Trump called the actions

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an affront to humanity, and said his views towards Assad

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In recent days, however, the US has said it is willing

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to cooperate with Russia on the Syrian conflict.

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The two countries do have a common goal of wanting to eradicate

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Another point of contention could be Crimea.

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In a visit to Warsaw this week, Mr Trump said the US was working

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with Poland in response to what he called Russia's

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President Trump has warned that North Korea could face some severe

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consequences after its test of an intercontinental

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Russia has said it opposes the use of military force.

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No one is sure what topics will be brought up when the two

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meet, or if there'll be any significant outcomes.

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But it will certainly give the two presidents an opportunity

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We can talk to Sir Andrew Wood, former British ambassador to Moscow

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under John major and Tony Blair, also with us Professor Rosemary

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Hollis from city University, a lecture in international politics

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and Leslie Vinjamuri, from Chatham House. The seasoned, wily politician

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meets the businessman who shoots from the hip, what do you think Sir

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Andrew. All eyes on this showdown, as it is being built. I don't think

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it is a showdown. They will be trying to size each other up

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obviously. I imagine Putin will try to flatter Trump, who is susceptible

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to that kind of thing. At the same time currently in terms of politics

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they do not have anything directly in common. Where they go over

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Ukraine will be important. As your commentator noted, over Syria as

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well. You have lots of experience of this sort of thing, these first

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meetings and how important they are and what happens behind the scenes

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in preparation for them. You've already said that this is the attack

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Putin will take, will they get down to the nitty-gritty of policy or

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will this be about this being the first time they get to eyeball each

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other and how they get a personal dynamic. Every and coming US

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president has wanted a new and better relationship with Russia and

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that was a campaign statement of the current president. There is some

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difference between what he says when he is, as it were, on public display

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as president and what he says in private. And there are stories, I do

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not know if they are true, that the United States would like to find

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some way to refresh a search for some sort of solution in Ukraine.

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That is dangerous because Russia is not moving, it is reinforcing its

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position. Leslie Vinjamuri, in the election coming it looked like this

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might be a bromance of some sort, things have changed, how mindful

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will Mr Trump B of the audience at home in the USA. It's interesting

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because Donald Trump came in wanting to reset the relationship with

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Russia, it is what every American president has wanted to do for a

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long time and hasn't succeeded but Donald Trump has had the specific

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thing about Putin who changed this entire relationship by virtue of the

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connection he thought he could form with Putin. As we have seen he has

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been tremendously constrained in even thinking about this because of

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the overwhelming focus within the United States Army investigations,

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first off Roger's cyber attacks and disinformation campaigns but now the

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big distraction for Trump is whether or not he and his campaign team and

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even potentially some members of the White House have assisted Russia in

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this campaign. This is taking up a tremendous amount of energy. There

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is an entire set of staff in the White House dedicated to responding

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to those requests. So any notion of recasting this relationship is

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deeply constrained by this. And one of the key questions in this meeting

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will be whether or not that sort of question is put on the table or

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whether it is cut to the side. Regardless of what Trump's aims

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might be he is fundamentally constrained in his ability to change

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things because of the politics at home. Rosemary, things have changed

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a lot in a short period. Just yesterday when Donald Trump talked

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about Russia is being a destabilising force, how do you see

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the dynamic. He made that speech because he was in Poland and had a

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lot in common with his Polish hosts in terms of how he sees the world.

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Or ethnic Christian of nationalism, not the "We stand for democracy and

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human rights close Mac version of the Western identity. There are two

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interpretations of what he said yesterday. One was that he was quite

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soft in his critique of the Russian posture and one is that this is the

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new development and he's actually being tough. I would suggest that

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when he goes into the meeting with Putin he will be doing what he has

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been doing with a number of otherworldly dust that the Hazmat,

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including the president of China, that he will be weighing up, what

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does this person to form my stature in the world. -- what does he do for

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my stature in the world. And my best saying that I have persuaded him to

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work with me on this problem and therefore it will get solved? You

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have to huge egos... Or is he a worthy opponent. In his expressions

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of admiration for Putin before he was elected, that does suggest that

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he is weighing people at in terms of his criteria for what good

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leadership qualities. Not necessarily determined to work

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either with them or against them. I think in addition to that in Putin

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he will find a difficult person to deal with because Putin has a

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long-term ability to follow a course. The I am not sure that Trump

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house. Survey on different wavelengths in how they see their

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roles in the world. I think if he thinks he's got a personal

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relationship with Putin at the end of this he is fooling himself. Is

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that just not possible, in the end it just comes down to self interest?

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For Putin, no question about it. Trump's self interest is different

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because he's in a different country. Trump has to think about Congress

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and the media, which basically Putin does not have to. Leslie, what is

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the best that Trump can come away with today? Because people around

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him will be thinking about the meeting in May with Sergey Lavrov

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and the Russian ambassador, and there were pictures that looked

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like, the mood music was not in favour of Donald Trump and that

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played very badly with the US media. Because that meeting took place at

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one of the more tense periods of the ongoing investigations, his

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motivations for firing former FBI director James Comey. There are a

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lot of things going on at this G20 in part because of the recent launch

:24:35.:24:37.

of a long-range missile by North Korea. So now there are questions of

:24:38.:24:43.

what is happening and Trump won't want to be outside that but will

:24:44.:24:46.

have this broader question of North Korea in mind. That is different

:24:47.:24:49.

from what he thought he would be dealing with energy 20. But I think

:24:50.:24:56.

what Professor Rosemary Hollis said is right, the optics matter a lot,

:24:57.:25:01.

will he come out of this looking like a strong president, holding a

:25:02.:25:06.

line on Russia, but also forming a strong relationship and creating

:25:07.:25:10.

that opportunity that he might be the one to turn things around. Yet

:25:11.:25:15.

he is also worried now about how his relationship with other European

:25:16.:25:18.

partners will look because they did not go well on his first trip. This

:25:19.:25:23.

LG 20 is a contest, not only for which country will be the next

:25:24.:25:25.

global leader but which set of countries. We've seen lots of

:25:26.:25:31.

countries having bilateral meetings, the president of China and the

:25:32.:25:37.

German Chancellor, it is not clear who is at the forefront, and the

:25:38.:25:40.

interesting thing is that the United States doesn't seem to be. So will

:25:41.:25:47.

this meeting take centre stage and be as pivotal as we think it should

:25:48.:25:51.

be or will it just be one of the many things that happens at the T20?

:25:52.:25:55.

Just one more interesting aspect of where we are, everything seems so

:25:56.:26:03.

much more fractured. Everybody's national interests are more defined

:26:04.:26:09.

than at any time previously. I don't know if there are four or five

:26:10.:26:13.

competing agendas on the table at this G20. If you take the

:26:14.:26:18.

protesters, so vocal up to now, they are against globalisation.

:26:19.:26:23.

Technically so is Trump but the protesters are also against him. So

:26:24.:26:25.

there are two visions of globalisation. Under discussion. Two

:26:26.:26:31.

visions of the West under discussion. A yes or no on climate

:26:32.:26:40.

change up for grabs. Then if you take the individual problems,

:26:41.:26:45.

Ukraine has been mentioned, if you look at Syria, there, I think, the

:26:46.:26:53.

offence taken by the Russians over the US decision to send missiles in

:26:54.:27:00.

response to the use of chemical weapons by President Assad is

:27:01.:27:05.

because it was interference in a predominantly Russian game. They do

:27:06.:27:13.

share the objective of getting rid of Islamist terrorists of the nature

:27:14.:27:19.

of Isis, anywhere. But because that campaign against Isis in both Iraq

:27:20.:27:24.

and Syria is reaching a turning point where they are no longer in

:27:25.:27:29.

control of big cities or territory, they have melted into the landscape,

:27:30.:27:35.

there is a battle looming because the Russians on the ground, the

:27:36.:27:40.

uranium and Iranians proxies are on the ground, and they are both in a

:27:41.:27:45.

much better position to dictate what happens after Isis than the

:27:46.:27:51.

Americans. Just briefly, Sir Andrew, obviously very important and

:27:52.:27:54.

difficult issues on the agenda for all the G20 leaders yet as we have

:27:55.:27:58.

said we are all interested to see how this meeting between Trump and

:27:59.:28:03.

Putin plays out. You have said how Putin will play it, you are a

:28:04.:28:08.

diplomat, what advice would you give Campton back on how to handle him.

:28:09.:28:15.

Just don't rush. The analogy that occurs to me, listening to is

:28:16.:28:18.

talking, is the analogy of a group of dogs meeting in the park. Finding

:28:19.:28:24.

or the others are and what they like and who will be top dog. I think

:28:25.:28:28.

there is something in that. I don't know how effective the G20 is as an

:28:29.:28:32.

organisation and what it is now supposed to represent Anichebe. It

:28:33.:28:39.

is great to talk to you all. -- to represent and achieve. Thank you

:28:40.:28:45.

all. Let us no your thoughts on that as well.

:28:46.:28:47.

The food delivery firm Deliveroo has said it will pay sickness and injury

:28:48.:28:50.

benefits to its 15,000 riders in the UK if the law is changed.

:28:51.:28:53.

In a submission to the government's review of the "on-demand"

:28:54.:28:56.

economy seen by the BBC, the firm says that at present

:28:57.:28:58.

the law prevents it from offering enhanced rights because it

:28:59.:29:01.

classifies its riders as self-employed.

:29:02.:29:02.

Deliveroo says it uses that classification to provide its riders

:29:03.:29:04.

with the flexibility to work when they want.

:29:05.:29:13.

Let's go to our Business News reporter Theo Leggett.

:29:14.:29:18.

It is a complex issue, one being looked at by the government in the

:29:19.:29:24.

context of the modern economy. What is Deliveroo saying that it wants to

:29:25.:29:30.

do. Deliveroo says it wants to offer its riders, cyclists, Mo bed riders,

:29:31.:29:34.

certain employment rights like holiday pay and sickness pay. At the

:29:35.:29:39.

moment, it doesn't do that. -- Mo paired riders. Deliveroo considers

:29:40.:29:45.

itself a platform, it has riders of an app which will offer them a job

:29:46.:29:49.

to do and if they wanted they will accept it. Those workers are paid by

:29:50.:29:54.

the job, not by the hour, they are not eligible for the minimum wage

:29:55.:29:57.

and they are not eligible for these other benefits and that's because

:29:58.:30:01.

under British employment law at the moment they are considered to be

:30:02.:30:05.

self-employed. What is likely to happen because unemployment review

:30:06.:30:09.

is underway. Some magic formalin going to review - and employment

:30:10.:30:16.

review is underway. Is a magic formula going to emerge. UK

:30:17.:30:20.

employment law has not caught up with the times. At the moment people

:30:21.:30:26.

are classified as either self-employed, workers or employees.

:30:27.:30:29.

As you go up the scaly become eligible for more benefits yet lacks

:30:30.:30:33.

flexible. Delivery workers are free to take jobs from other companies if

:30:34.:30:37.

they want. They can work when they want, they don't have to do set

:30:38.:30:41.

shifts. If they became workers, Leslie Vinjamuri says they might

:30:42.:30:46.

have to do some of that. So the idea of the review is to look at the

:30:47.:30:49.

scope of employment law and see if it can be made more flexible to cope

:30:50.:30:53.

with people who work for companies like Deliveroo and other so-called

:30:54.:30:57.

geek economy companies about them being exploited. Thank you very

:30:58.:30:58.

much. Still to come, pressing pause on the

:30:59.:31:03.

benefit system, the new Universal Credit system could be halted until

:31:04.:31:09.

problems with its roll-out are sorted, that's what critics of the

:31:10.:31:13.

system wants to happen. A change to the charts. The official charts

:31:14.:31:17.

Company is changing the rules in order to support new and emerging

:31:18.:31:22.

artists. It comes after Ed Sheeran had 16 of the top 20 hits at one

:31:23.:31:25.

stage. Let us know what you think about

:31:26.:31:36.

that. Tight security is in place

:31:37.:31:43.

in the German city of Hamburg for the start of the G-20 summit,

:31:44.:31:46.

after a night of violent clashes between riot police

:31:47.:31:49.

and anti-capitalist protesters. Items on the agenda

:31:50.:31:52.

for will be trade, climate The American and Russian presidents

:31:53.:31:54.

will also meet for the first time and Theresa May will call on world

:31:55.:31:58.

leaders to work together to cut off The senior judge who will lead

:31:59.:32:02.

the Grenfell Tower Public Inquiry has faced angry questions

:32:03.:32:09.

from survivors of the fire and local residents at a public

:32:10.:32:12.

meeting last night. Sir Martin Moore-Bick has been

:32:13.:32:14.

accused of ignoring calls for him to consider the social issues

:32:15.:32:34.

which affect public housing - Citizens advice is calling on

:32:35.:32:43.

ministers to stop the roll-out of the new welfare benefit Universal

:32:44.:32:47.

Credit. The charity says problems with the benefit are forcing people

:32:48.:32:51.

into debt and say tens of thousands of people will face financial

:32:52.:32:54.

hardship unless improvements are made. Ministers insist the benefit

:32:55.:32:55.

is working. The World Health Organisation says

:32:56.:32:58.

gonorrhoea is getting much harder to treat -

:32:59.:33:00.

and it's essential that research is carried out to find

:33:01.:33:02.

new drugs and a vaccine. A study by the WHO in 77 countries

:33:03.:33:05.

suggests the sexually transmitted infection -

:33:06.:33:07.

which can cause infertility - is rapidly evolving

:33:08.:33:09.

resistance to antibiotics. They estimate that 78 million

:33:10.:33:18.

people pick up the disease The organisation representing NHS

:33:19.:33:29.

trusts in England says: mental health services are being

:33:30.:33:32.

overwhelmed because a rapidly rising demand. A survey by NHS providers

:33:33.:33:37.

also found more than three quarters of mental health trusts think extra

:33:38.:33:39.

money pledged at national level isn't getting through. The

:33:40.:33:44.

Department of Health says there is a commitment to seeing mental health

:33:45.:33:45.

services improve. In the gallery will open in David

:33:46.:33:53.

Hockney's hometown of Bradford today to coincide with his 80th birthday

:33:54.:33:54.

this week. The David Hockney Gallery,

:33:55.:33:59.

at Cartwright Hall, houses the largest public collection

:34:00.:34:01.

of his early artworks The display also includes family

:34:02.:34:03.

photos and previously unseen footage That's a summary of the latest BBC

:34:04.:34:07.

News - more at 10am. It's four years since

:34:08.:34:14.

the government began its roll out of Universal Credit -

:34:15.:34:17.

a new system which would combine all benefits into one payment,

:34:18.:34:19.

which the government argued But today the Citizens Advice Bureau

:34:20.:34:21.

today has called for the roll out to be put on hold until problems

:34:22.:34:30.

with it were fixed. They say a survey of 800 people

:34:31.:34:35.

who have contacted they to seeking help found that more than a third

:34:36.:34:38.

had waited more than the six weeks for any money to come through,

:34:39.:34:41.

and more than half had to borrow money while waiting

:34:42.:34:44.

for their first payment. In our audience debate before

:34:45.:34:51.

the election in May, Conservative MP Dominic Raab

:34:52.:34:54.

referenced these problems when he admitted some people

:34:55.:34:56.

were using food banks while they were waiting

:34:57.:34:58.

for their money to come through. In terms of the food bank issue,

:34:59.:35:01.

and I've studied the Trussell Trust data, what they tend to find

:35:02.:35:04.

is the typical user of food banks is not someone that's

:35:05.:35:07.

languishing in poverty, it's someone that has a cash flow

:35:08.:35:09.

problem episodically... That is what the Trussell

:35:10.:35:11.

Trust data says. What we've done, because a lot

:35:12.:35:16.

of people on low and middle incomes are feeling the pinch is we've taken

:35:17.:35:24.

4 million of the lowest paid out The average basic rate tax

:35:25.:35:28.

there keeps ?1000 each year more And we've introduced

:35:29.:35:35.

the national living wage, and we have tried to make sure we've

:35:36.:35:46.

got the economy that creates the jobs and the wages,

:35:47.:35:49.

and make sure people keep more We can speak now to Neil Coyle,

:35:50.:35:51.

Labour MP for Bermondsey and Old Southwark, who's also

:35:52.:35:55.

a member of the Work Constituency is one of the areas

:35:56.:36:01.

where the scheme is being rolled out at the moment.

:36:02.:36:02.

Maria Amos, who's in Liverpool, was waiting 6 weeks for universal

:36:03.:36:06.

David Swann, who's in Bristol, has had incorrect universal credit

:36:07.:36:09.

Thank you all for joining us. Let's come straight to you, Maria, you had

:36:10.:36:20.

to wait six weeks for the payment could tell us what happened. Hello,

:36:21.:36:26.

yes, I had to wait six weeks. I'd come out of work and had to go back

:36:27.:36:31.

to sign-on. I was told there was a weak's grace which I didn't

:36:32.:36:34.

understand, then it was like six weeks before I got any money at all.

:36:35.:36:40.

I live on my own and I literally had no money, no gas, no electric, no

:36:41.:36:46.

food. It affected my mental health and it affected my weight. It was

:36:47.:36:53.

just the wait for it, I didn't understand why I had to wait so

:36:54.:36:59.

long. How did you manage in that time? We're hearing Dominic Raab say

:37:00.:37:03.

people have had to use food banks while waiting for money to come

:37:04.:37:07.

through, what did you do? Well I, believe it or not, went so low, so

:37:08.:37:16.

down I wanted to end my life. If rent called me an ambulance and I

:37:17.:37:20.

was taken to Arrow Park where I was introduced to doctors who put me on

:37:21.:37:27.

tablets for me to cope. Then I was introduced to the food banks to use

:37:28.:37:31.

the food bank. My local church helped me also. And in those six

:37:32.:37:39.

weeks when you were at rock bottom because you weren't getting any

:37:40.:37:43.

money, were you having any conversations with people trying...

:37:44.:37:51.

What was being done to sort it out from your perspective, of having to

:37:52.:37:54.

chase, and where you getting anything from the people in a

:37:55.:38:00.

position to rectify it? I got absolutely no help at all for

:38:01.:38:04.

anyone, I didn't know where to turn, I literally had nothing for six

:38:05.:38:09.

weeks. I lost so much weight, I went down to under six stone, I had

:38:10.:38:13.

nothing to eat, nothing, all I had was water from my tap, literally.

:38:14.:38:19.

But the people I was introduced to that slowly helped me through the

:38:20.:38:24.

trust will trust, the food banks, slowly but surely. Calls through to

:38:25.:38:33.

the service to get the payment installed, what was your

:38:34.:38:37.

communication? There was no communication, I was told there was

:38:38.:38:40.

nothing they could do and I had to wait, I try to explain the situation

:38:41.:38:44.

to them. I was told there was nothing they could do, I just had to

:38:45.:38:48.

wait until I was sorted out. Six weeks, which is a long time. David,

:38:49.:38:55.

what was your situation? You were fighting for over a year. Yes, they

:38:56.:39:02.

made a mistake with my Universal Credit right from the start. Whilst

:39:03.:39:10.

I was waiting for Universal Credit I had an overlap payment of employment

:39:11.:39:13.

support allowance with the benefit I was on before. When I had my first

:39:14.:39:22.

Universal Credit payment in July, they took ?526 off me, which was the

:39:23.:39:32.

amount of ESA I had had. Then the next month they tried to take it

:39:33.:39:37.

again. And the next month again. The next month again. The next month

:39:38.:39:43.

again. Every month I have had to get on that phone and fight to get my

:39:44.:39:49.

money back. Fight to get somebody to listen to what I'm telling them.

:39:50.:39:52.

Because these operators are working of scripts and they can do nothing

:39:53.:40:00.

apart from e-mail other members of the team. What was your financial

:40:01.:40:07.

situation during that time? Was it been put right each time but then

:40:08.:40:13.

being reset? -- being put right. I'll do it matter where you getting

:40:14.:40:17.

into worse problems financially? They would refund the money usually

:40:18.:40:25.

within 24 hours. Which wasn't such a problem. My worry every month was

:40:26.:40:29.

that it would take longer than that. I have direct debits, quite a

:40:30.:40:35.

considerable amount, now that we have to pay rent ourselves out of

:40:36.:40:40.

Universal Credit. The money I was left wouldn't have met my direct

:40:41.:40:46.

debits and that was causing the strain and stress. You know, I

:40:47.:40:52.

didn't know if the money would be in my bank on time to meet these

:40:53.:40:57.

debits. Which caused me a lot of stress. Neil, people are having

:40:58.:41:07.

difficulty, clearly. We've got two here, and citizens advice says it's

:41:08.:41:10.

come across many more. The Department for Work and Pensions

:41:11.:41:15.

says in response to the sort of big picture, and what the citizens

:41:16.:41:20.

advice group is saying, the evidence they've been looking at is based on

:41:21.:41:25.

a group of self selecting people. It isn't representative of half a

:41:26.:41:28.

million people claiming Universal Credit. They say 82% of Universal

:41:29.:41:33.

Credit customers have reported they are satisfied or very satisfied with

:41:34.:41:40.

the service. Do you think this is small, number of people? Absolutely

:41:41.:41:43.

not, we shouldn't forget when Universal Credit was voted for by

:41:44.:41:47.

the coalition and designed by Iain Duncan Smith it was designed to cut

:41:48.:41:51.

support, to change the payment system, to a delayed approach. Maria

:41:52.:41:56.

got her payment within six weeks. It's faster than average. The

:41:57.:42:00.

average the Department for Work and Pensions talk about is 12 weeks. In

:42:01.:42:09.

the test area, we've had extra support wrapping around. We've seen

:42:10.:42:15.

delays of 12 weeks. Why do you think these delays are so long? Partly a

:42:16.:42:21.

deliberate system to pay four weeks in arrears rather than upfront which

:42:22.:42:25.

isn't what most people need. Four weeks in arrears, but in some

:42:26.:42:33.

situations... 12 weeks. If you're renting privately, with many housing

:42:34.:42:35.

associations, that will automatically trigger your eviction

:42:36.:42:38.

notification because you're not paying rent on time. Is its teething

:42:39.:42:47.

problems with the system? The four weeks will be built into the system.

:42:48.:42:52.

If it is a system in arrears. The intention with the introduction, the

:42:53.:42:57.

government says, was to simplify the benefits system, replacing six means

:42:58.:43:00.

tested benefits and tax credits with one benefit. The idea ultimately is

:43:01.:43:06.

that this can be balanced reasonably when somebody starts work. In the

:43:07.:43:12.

end is it a system that is a good one if it works? It was designed,

:43:13.:43:16.

nobody would object to simplifying the system, but it was also designed

:43:17.:43:19.

to knock out some of the additional support many disabled people need.

:43:20.:43:23.

Severe disability allowance, is completely disappears under

:43:24.:43:28.

Universal Credit. When I was working in disability Alliance, worked with

:43:29.:43:32.

citizens advice and the Children's Society, disabled people, children

:43:33.:43:37.

of disabled parents, you know, disabled people in work, were all

:43:38.:43:40.

designed to lose out under Universal Credit. There has been extra

:43:41.:43:47.

wraparound support. There is a great local housing organisation called

:43:48.:43:51.

let the market, it is a mutual, it provides extra support to people who

:43:52.:43:55.

live in its homes. The average of people who aren't on Universal

:43:56.:44:00.

Credit, they are in credit by about ?10 each. Of the 80 plus one

:44:01.:44:05.

Universal Credit, the average arrears are ?730. This is a

:44:06.:44:09.

deliberate system to push some people into difficulties. It was

:44:10.:44:14.

wholly designed to put more pressure on individuals. Maria, where are you

:44:15.:44:21.

with your financial situation now that the benefit is working? You

:44:22.:44:25.

have the issues at the beginning. As it settled now? How does it compare

:44:26.:44:31.

with how things were like before? I now receive ?52 a week off, that's

:44:32.:44:39.

all I'm entitled to. They take it out of my money. I'm only ?52 a week

:44:40.:44:43.

is what they give me to live on. I've been accepted for hip now which

:44:44.:44:50.

helps quite a lot. Are you getting less money overall? -- I'm getting

:44:51.:44:59.

PIP. I've always worked, this is the first time with the Universal

:45:00.:45:03.

Credit. I literally get ?52 a week of them, that's still what I get

:45:04.:45:10.

now. I only get ?52 a week of them. How does it compare with where you

:45:11.:45:17.

were before? This system, in my view, is terrible. I'm disabled,

:45:18.:45:22.

I've got multiple sclerosis and I'm in a wheelchair. This Universal

:45:23.:45:28.

Credit has cost me nearly ?200 a month worse off than what I was

:45:29.:45:34.

before. How are you making up for the shortfall? I'm not, we're just

:45:35.:45:39.

living more frugally than we were before. I'm married, you know, so we

:45:40.:45:47.

make our money stretch and last. I need extra bits of money for care.

:45:48.:45:53.

And that the council won't pay for. I'm really struggling to get that

:45:54.:45:59.

care that I need. What are the changes you have to make as a result

:46:00.:46:07.

of that drop of ?200 a month? We had a household cleaner come in and help

:46:08.:46:14.

my wife with cleaning, help her do certain chores for me. And now we

:46:15.:46:19.

can't afford to do that. So it's all on my wife, who is now working very

:46:20.:46:26.

hard to cover the costs of the extra care that I need.

:46:27.:46:32.

Within the work and pensions committee, how much is this being

:46:33.:46:38.

looked at? Is the prospect of a change, it is on a roll-out

:46:39.:46:42.

programme from October and will be rolled out more quickly. In the last

:46:43.:46:46.

parliament the committee did look at this and some of the problems you've

:46:47.:46:49.

heard about this morning. There are some ways to protect people from

:46:50.:46:54.

falling into arrears and debt. It isn't a coincidence that food bank

:46:55.:46:59.

use and poverty has risen in line with the roll-out welfare policies

:47:00.:47:03.

of the coalition. One solution the committee pointed out was that under

:47:04.:47:07.

Universal Credit, and fans payments that can be paid to people so the

:47:08.:47:12.

money is paid quicker and sometimes directly to a landlord rather than

:47:13.:47:16.

an individual, sometimes you have a severe learning disability and you

:47:17.:47:20.

can't manage it it might be more appropriate to go to the landlord.

:47:21.:47:24.

Sometimes the DWP doesn't want to use those agreements in as many

:47:25.:47:28.

cases as warranted so they are sitting on them rather than rolling

:47:29.:47:32.

them out. A quick thought on council tax, it has been an easy for Maria.

:47:33.:47:37.

We've talked about it on the programme before, whether councils

:47:38.:47:40.

should be taking council tax when people on benefit have effectively

:47:41.:47:45.

had to get into debt with council tax because of benefits not coming

:47:46.:47:50.

through. Unsympathetic to councils like mine which have lost 40% of

:47:51.:47:53.

their central government funding and each one will have a different

:47:54.:47:58.

system for hardship funds and discretionary housing payments, it

:47:59.:48:01.

might be a temporary period out of work rather than a permanent one.

:48:02.:48:06.

Some councils will have discretionary support available.

:48:07.:48:10.

Thank you all very much. Neal, David, and Maria, thank you. Let us

:48:11.:48:13.

know your experiences on that. After the chaotic response

:48:14.:48:17.

to the Grenfell Tower fire, local residents say they fear

:48:18.:48:20.

the inquiry into the disaster We'll speak to a member

:48:21.:48:23.

of the Grenfell Action Group for their opinion on the appointment

:48:24.:48:30.

of the retired judge Singer Ed Sheeran broke multiple

:48:31.:48:33.

records when he released his last And he isn't the only artist who's

:48:34.:48:42.

recently been dominating UK music - with the likes of Drake,

:48:43.:48:48.

Stormzy, Kendrick Lamar and The Weeknd all having

:48:49.:48:50.

multiple tracks in the chart But from today no artist

:48:51.:48:52.

will be allowed to have more than three songs

:48:53.:48:59.

in the Official Singles The Official Charts Company say

:49:00.:49:01.

they've changed the rules because they want the chart to be

:49:02.:49:05.

a "showcase for hit singles not album tracks" -

:49:06.:49:08.

and they want to continue Let's now talk to Ben Beaumont

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Thomas, who is the music editor of the Guardian newspaper,

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and Edward Adoo, Thank you both for coming in. What

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do you think, Ben, is it a good idea to artificially manage what is going

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to end up in the top charts? Yes, it is an artificial gerrymandering of

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the charts. Previously in the example that you gave of Ed Sheeran

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having 16 songs in the top 20, I thought this was a great moment of

:49:46.:49:49.

democracy for British music. It meant that people were expressing

:49:50.:49:54.

themselves through the download is that they bought on iTunes and the

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songs they were streaming on Spotify and other streaming services. They

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were voting with their feet. It was a very quantified expression of just

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how much Ed Sheeran was adored at that point. And now with this new

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rule his chart record will be immortalised for eternity. And now

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we will not get such a sense of excitement about these incredibly

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popular artists. Edward, if it is what people are listening to is not

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right that this is what the charts reflect? It's not so much about what

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people are listening to, if someone has the entire album in the chart,

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what's the point of it... Of people are listening to it they are the

:50:41.:50:45.

most listened to tracks! I don't see the point. Back in the day when he

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had the process of buying singles from your local record shop, some

:50:50.:50:54.

tracks you could only get on import before downloading came through. But

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what gets me is the whole point of the artists who are not ready to get

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their trucks through because people like Ed Sheeran have about 20 tracks

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in the chart. I'm not against those artists, I think it's great, if an

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artist gets a lot of tracks in the chart that's good but it prohibits

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new talent from coming through. Previously as I worked as a plug it

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is hard for an artist to get onto the A list and commercial radio

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stations like Radio 1. So if it is harder for an artist to get airplay

:51:34.:51:38.

on merit is it any easier to get a chart entry? That is the whole

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issue. I think it's more the ecosystem of how we listen to music

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is changing a great deal and now the power has been put much more into

:51:48.:51:50.

the hands of listeners themselves, it is more of a democracy now. I

:51:51.:51:56.

think the charts are less place were breaking new artists and more a

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reflection of how as a nation we listen to music. That is how it is,

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is it right that it remains like that or what about letting new

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talent come through. I think the talent will come through in the

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traditional way like channels like the radio but also playlists are

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incredibly popular on Spotify and these streaming services and they

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are an important way to break any artist now. An artist will come in

:52:26.:52:30.

on a low ranking playlists and lots of people listen to him and it can

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do becomes a meritocracy that the song will become more popular and

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will rise into more popular playlists and it's allowing... But

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don't you think it is tougher for artists to get through? The airplay

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regime, and to those particular radio stations? Visibility, for sure

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in the charts. When I worked as a plluggers I wasn't charging those

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rates but plluggers can charge thousands of pounds... Explain how

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the job of a pllugger works. Pllugger is the go-between between

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an artist and a radio station. An artist will call me and say, I have

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this track, do you like it, I think it's great. So then I would set up

:53:22.:53:26.

meetings with producers and TV editors and say this is a great

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track. They would say if they liked it it would get played or listed to

:53:31.:53:35.

be played on a radio station, and we'd get feedback but that is

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expensive. Most pluggers charge... And now people play music in their

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bedroom and they can stream it. It is on the Internet and artists do

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make it from starting out in that way. It is rare that they do. I get

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a lot of artists who come on my BBC Three counties show through the BBC

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introducing them, they ask, how can we get onto the charts. Sometimes

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they don't even know the process. It's frustrating for me to give them

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feedback based on the material, I think beyond this there needs to be

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a process of how artists can get through. I think it's a step in the

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right direction but more needs to be done. Let's look at Ed Sheeran. He

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hasn't just broken through, he's smashed everything! How did he

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start. He had a very grassroots beginning based on an old school

:54:34.:54:38.

type of behaviour. Play as many gigs as you possibly can in tiny pads and

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get by off word-of-mouth. -- tiny pads. He did some clever

:54:47.:54:51.

collaborations, working with UK MCs and grime artists and gained

:54:52.:54:55.

credibility on that side of the music spectrum. His style, which is

:54:56.:55:01.

strumming and feeling like a normal bloke, appeals across the board to

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the housewives of this nation and to the ordinary people of this nation.

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Not just housewives! I am one! He straddles demographics in a way that

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hardly anyone else has for a generation. And as BTV helped to

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propel him from that kind of being known and not just as this online

:55:23.:55:26.

sensation but taking him to other places. And I think because of their

:55:27.:55:32.

cult following everyone latched onto him and thought, he's the next big

:55:33.:55:37.

thing. He's shown through that grass roots way that he made it and if you

:55:38.:55:43.

have the talent you can make it. He's got the songs. I'm not being

:55:44.:55:47.

pessimistic about how he came through, others would like to follow

:55:48.:55:53.

in his footsteps but it's not easy. Does the child make that much of a

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difference? If you mag it is still relevant. -- the chart. I feel it is

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still relevant. This seems to be some kind of funding model to bring

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new Channel through. The BBC do introducing, Spotify and other

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platforms have new music initiatives. I think more needs to

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be done. I think what the charts Company has done is great but give

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everyone can get around and sit at a table and say, how can we bring more

:56:23.:56:26.

talent through and think of some great initiatives, I think that is

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the way forward. OK. Well, nobody is going to be able to challenge that

:56:32.:56:35.

Ed Sheeran record of 16 songs in the top 20, that is set in stone

:56:36.:56:37.

forever! Thank you. The weather has been hot, we know it

:56:38.:56:50.

is important to drink a lot but is it hygienic to use water bottles?

:56:51.:56:52.

We've been finding out. So now you know. Now the weather

:56:53.:58:19.

with Simon. Important to keep hydrated today, it

:58:20.:58:31.

will be less hot than yesterday get still warm. Yesterday temperatures

:58:32.:58:37.

reached 32.2 in London, a little fresher the further north you went,

:58:38.:58:42.

18 in Glasgow. With the heat and humidity we had impressive

:58:43.:58:45.

thunderstorms yesterday evening in Lincolnshire. This morning cloud

:58:46.:58:48.

over northern and western parts of the UK. This is the latest satellite

:58:49.:58:53.

picture, sunshine down towards the south and the south-east of England,

:58:54.:58:58.

this was the scene short while ago in Surrey. Lovely this morning.

:58:59.:59:03.

Temperatures already in the 20s. As we go through the rest of the

:59:04.:59:07.

morning, more clients developing in these south-eastern areas, one or

:59:08.:59:11.

two showers across the North, all in all for many of us a dry afternoon.

:59:12.:59:17.

There will be sunny spells breaking through across the North of England,

:59:18.:59:21.

those showers nowhere near as torrential as they were yesterday.

:59:22.:59:26.

We could catch the odd heavy shower in Aberdeenshire, a scattering of

:59:27.:59:29.

showers that to the West of Scotland, fine and dry with sunny

:59:30.:59:35.

spells. Some breaks in the cloud across Northern Ireland,

:59:36.:59:38.

temperatures 17 Celsius, cooler compared to north-west England and

:59:39.:59:42.

Wales, cloud around and came the occasional shower floating around,

:59:43.:59:48.

the most areas, staying dry. Some dry weather towards south-west

:59:49.:59:50.

England. Some sunshine here. The best of sunny spells in the South

:59:51.:59:55.

East, although there will be more clients developing and the top

:59:56.:59:59.

temperatures should reach 28 degrees. This evening little change

:00:00.:00:05.

across southern areas, this cold front is moving south behind that

:00:06.:00:09.

cold front we have some colder air. So temperatures in northern parts

:00:10.:00:13.

could reach fairly low single figures yet a of that cold front

:00:14.:00:17.

another uncomfortable night was leaving, I suspect, in the

:00:18.:00:21.

south-east. We start the morning with that week weather front are

:00:22.:00:27.

continuing to move southwards, you noticed was northern areas it will

:00:28.:00:31.

be largely dry with sunshine. Just some rain moving into the far north

:00:32.:00:35.

and north-west of Scotland, temperatures down by a few degrees

:00:36.:00:42.

compared to today but 19-24d. And then into Sunday, again for most of

:00:43.:00:50.

us, mostly dry, some rain spreading south across Scotland and also

:00:51.:00:55.

Northern Ireland, 15-16dC, the risk of heavy showers in Central and

:00:56.:00:59.

eastern parts during Sunday. For many especially towards northern and

:01:00.:01:03.

western areas it will be largely dry on Sunday and again temperatures,

:01:04.:01:08.

20-25, still pretty warm where you get sunshine especially towards the

:01:09.:01:13.

south-east. As we go into next week, rain at times, temperatures hovering

:01:14.:01:16.

at about the average for the time of year. Bye bye.

:01:17.:01:22.

It's Friday, it's ten o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling. The billionaire and

:01:23.:01:29.

the former KGB officer meet face-to-face. Donald Trump and

:01:30.:01:31.

Russian President Vladimir Putin will hold talks today at the G20

:01:32.:01:35.

summit in Hamburg. While the pair attempt to smooth over relations,

:01:36.:01:39.

their meeting comes just one day after the President claimed the West

:01:40.:01:42.

needed to show the will to survive international threats. The judge

:01:43.:01:52.

leading the Grenfell Tower public enquiry faces angry questions from

:01:53.:01:55.

survivors and local residents at last night's public meeting. We

:01:56.:01:59.

talked to the lorry driver whose heroic actions avoided disaster on a

:02:00.:02:14.

busy road. Straight for a summary of the news with Annita

:02:15.:02:17.

Tight security is in place in the German city of Hamburg

:02:18.:02:20.

for the start of the G-20 summit, after a night of violent

:02:21.:02:23.

clashes between riot police and anti-capitalist protesters.

:02:24.:02:24.

Items on the agenda for will be trade, climate

:02:25.:02:26.

The American and Russian presidents will also meet for the first time

:02:27.:02:31.

and Theresa May will call on world leaders to work together to cut off

:02:32.:02:35.

what I'm doing here at the G20 is raising the need for us to work

:02:36.:02:48.

collectively, internationally, to deal with terrorist financing, not

:02:49.:02:52.

just large sums of money that financing terrorism, but also to

:02:53.:02:56.

find ways of working with the financial services, with banks and

:02:57.:02:59.

others, to identify those smaller scale transactions that can

:03:00.:03:05.

sometimes lead terrorist activity. Tens of thousands of people will

:03:06.:03:08.

face financial hardship and be forced into debt if changes aren't

:03:09.:03:11.

made to the way the new welfare benefit Universal Credit is rolled

:03:12.:03:21.

out. That according to citizens advice, which is calling for

:03:22.:03:23.

improvements. Michael Buchanan reports.

:03:24.:03:43.

At the Citizens Advice office in Bridgewater,

:03:44.:03:45.

an increasing number of people are coming in,

:03:46.:03:47.

Vicki Kelly has had to take the day off work to sort out her problems.

:03:48.:03:51.

She has no internet access at home and struggles to keep up

:03:52.:03:54.

Yeah, I'm having to take the day off from work to sort this out!

:03:55.:03:58.

They you want me to work and yet, you've got to take time off!

:03:59.:04:02.

What's it been like, then, the past few months?

:04:03.:04:04.

Struggling for money, having to find other work

:04:05.:04:07.

And obviously now, they have stopped it again at the moment,

:04:08.:04:11.

we have to make phone calls, make appointments to come back

:04:12.:04:13.

And again, it is more time off of work, losing more money.

:04:14.:04:17.

Universal Credit has been rolled out across rolled out across Britain,

:04:18.:04:20.

six welfare payments such as housing benefit and tax credits

:04:21.:04:22.

But problems are emerging - a survey conducted by

:04:23.:04:26.

Citizens Advice of those people it's helped found over a third

:04:27.:04:28.

of claimants are waiting longer than the six weeks they should

:04:29.:04:31.

One in ten people have to wait over ten weeks for Universal Credit.

:04:32.:04:35.

More than half have had to borrow money while waiting

:04:36.:04:38.

We are seeing at the moment thousands of people

:04:39.:04:41.

who are seriously worried about their personal situations

:04:42.:04:43.

and cannot fix it because the administration of Universal Credit

:04:44.:04:45.

is not helping them and the support is not there for them

:04:46.:04:48.

Ministers insist that Universal Credit is a success

:04:49.:04:52.

and say most claimants are satisfied with the benefit and that help

:04:53.:04:55.

it is available for those with problems.

:04:56.:04:56.

The World Health Organisation says gonorrhoea is getting

:04:57.:05:03.

much harder to treat - and it's essential that research

:05:04.:05:05.

is carried out to find new drugs and a vaccine.

:05:06.:05:10.

A study by the WHO in 77 countries suggests the sexually

:05:11.:05:13.

transmitted infection - which can cause infertility -

:05:14.:05:16.

is rapidly evolving resistance to antibiotics.

:05:17.:05:19.

They estimate that 78 million people pick up the disease

:05:20.:05:22.

The organisation representing NHS trusts in England says core

:05:23.:05:27.

mental health services are being overwhelmed

:05:28.:05:29.

A survey by NHS Providers also found more than three quarters

:05:30.:05:36.

of mental health trusts think extra money pledged at national level

:05:37.:05:39.

The Department of Health says there is a commitment to seeing

:05:40.:05:43.

The delivery firm Deliveroo is calling on the Government

:05:44.:05:50.

to update legislation to give self-employed people more security -

:05:51.:05:54.

including sick pay - while maintaining the flexibility

:05:55.:05:56.

The company says current employment law prevents companies

:05:57.:05:59.

from extending some staff entitlements without calling into

:06:00.:06:01.

question the status of its riders, who are classed as self--employed.

:06:02.:06:04.

question the status of its riders, who are classed as self-employed.

:06:05.:06:13.

UK house prices have fallen for three quarters in a row for the

:06:14.:06:19.

first time since 2012 according to the Halifax. Prices in June fell by

:06:20.:06:23.

1% from the month before, taking the average price of the property to

:06:24.:06:28.

?218,000. The mortgage lenders analysis is that household finances

:06:29.:06:31.

are being squeezed as consumer prices grow faster than wages.

:06:32.:06:35.

David Dimbleby is used to dealing with difficult situations

:06:36.:06:37.

as the host of Question Time, but he was left a little red-faced

:06:38.:06:40.

last night when an alarm on his mobile interrupted

:06:41.:06:42.

the programme to tell him it was 'time for bed'.

:06:43.:06:46.

You put a fork in the road and we opted for

:06:47.:06:49.

Now we're in this situation, we're all going down that

:06:50.:06:53.

This is my stopwatch saying it's bedtime.

:06:54.:07:03.

Not quite, David, glad everybody saw the funny side of it!

:07:04.:07:20.

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:07:21.:07:25.

Will be talking about what's going on at the G20 summit, Donald Trump

:07:26.:07:34.

and Vladimir Putin meeting face-to-face for the first time.

:07:35.:07:37.

We'll have some reaction to what is potentially going to unfold there,

:07:38.:07:41.

also talking about the interests of the other countries, because there

:07:42.:07:45.

are 20 countries at the summit in Hamburg. We'll be asking what each

:07:46.:07:50.

country will want to get out of this particular summit. Let's catch up

:07:51.:07:51.

with the sport, we can join Jess. Starting with tennis, there is a big

:07:52.:08:00.

day ahead at Wimbledon with four British players aiming for a place

:08:01.:08:04.

in the fourth round. Andy Marianne Aljaz Bedene both in action. It is

:08:05.:08:07.

the women's draw that is really interesting. Heather Watson is first

:08:08.:08:12.

on Centre Court against former world number one Victoria Azarenka. The

:08:13.:08:16.

new favourite for the women's title with some of the bookmakers is

:08:17.:08:17.

Johanna Konta. Konta, who is now the favourite

:08:18.:08:22.

with some bookmakers, plays Maria Sakkari of Greece

:08:23.:08:24.

and defending champion Murray plays Italy's Fabio

:08:25.:08:26.

Fognini on Centre Court. We can't write off Angelique Kerber

:08:27.:08:36.

yet. She beat Kirsten Flipkens in two hard-fought sets yesterday. Kyle

:08:37.:08:42.

Edmund did his best to make it five Britons in round three, but he is

:08:43.:08:45.

out. He said he lacked maturity in his first experience of Centre Court

:08:46.:08:49.

after he lost in straight sets to Gael Monfils. Roger Federer still

:08:50.:08:58.

looking very good indeed, he had a bit of a nervy start against

:08:59.:09:06.

Moore-Bick but still came through in straight sets. Novak Djokovic only

:09:07.:09:09.

needed an hour and a half to beat his opponent. Djokovic said

:09:10.:09:13.

afterward he was puzzled by John McEnroe's comments that he was the

:09:14.:09:19.

Tiger Woods of tennis. There were some extremely distressing scenes on

:09:20.:09:25.

court 17 as the American player suffered a really nasty knee injury.

:09:26.:09:26.

Sue Barker explains what happened. Bethany of the United States lost

:09:27.:09:35.

the second set tie-break, this is the fourth point of the final set,

:09:36.:09:39.

suffers a really horrible fall. Immediately clutching her knee and

:09:40.:09:43.

shouting, help me! 13 eventually come on to help her, as does her

:09:44.:09:50.

opponent. A medical team was brought onto the court as well and she was

:09:51.:09:54.

given oxygen. She has now made her way back to the clubhouse, but it

:09:55.:09:58.

obviously is a very serious knee injury. All the best to her and her

:09:59.:10:05.

recovery. Away from Wimbledon there was a remarkable first day in the

:10:06.:10:09.

job for the new England cricket captain, Joe Root. He beat an

:10:10.:10:16.

unbeaten 184 on the first day of the test against South Africa at Lord's.

:10:17.:10:20.

To rescue his side. They'd been in some trouble after losing early

:10:21.:10:26.

wickets. They resume on 357-5. You always pride yourself on runs as a

:10:27.:10:29.

player, if you want to set the example as captain, you know, it's

:10:30.:10:33.

important you do score runs. It's just the start. It's only the first

:10:34.:10:39.

game. If I want to sort of postings on, in the future, I'm going to have

:10:40.:10:46.

to do it more consistently. The Tour de France has been riddled with

:10:47.:10:50.

crashes but on stage six the ride is just about manage to avoid a

:10:51.:10:54.

spectator's umbrella that was blown onto the course. Probably a parasol,

:10:55.:11:00.

looking at the sunshine. The stage was won by sprinter Marcel Kittle,

:11:01.:11:03.

but Chris Froome still wears the yellow jersey.

:11:04.:11:10.

Donald Trump is preparing for his first face-to-face meeting

:11:11.:11:12.

Their encounter will take place on the fringes of the G20 summit

:11:13.:11:16.

in Hamburg where world leaders will be discussing trade,

:11:17.:11:19.

Tight security is in place for the summit in the German city -

:11:20.:11:27.

where anti capitalist protestors have been demonstrating.

:11:28.:11:29.

This morning riot police again used water cannon

:11:30.:11:31.

In a moment, we'll be speaking to Professor Margaret Macmillan

:11:32.:11:36.

from Oxford University and Professor Scott Lucas

:11:37.:11:41.

from Birmingham University but first let's go to Hamburg and speak

:11:42.:11:46.

to our Deputy Political Editor John Pienaar.

:11:47.:11:49.

You've been speaking to Theresa May, what has she been saying? Well, we

:11:50.:11:57.

can see that the global leaders here face a long list of challenges.

:11:58.:12:01.

Donald Trump is central to a number of them. Imagine trade, North Korea.

:12:02.:12:07.

You mentioned confrontation between leaders and between Donald Trump,

:12:08.:12:11.

who has pulled back, repudiated the Paris treaty on climate change.

:12:12.:12:18.

Theresa May will meet Donald Trump in the summit. She has the

:12:19.:12:21.

additional complication that after the election, in the run-up to

:12:22.:12:24.

Brexit, there were those arguing that Britain is seeing a shrinkage

:12:25.:12:28.

of its influence. She'll go to the meeting with that in the background.

:12:29.:12:31.

I asked when I spoke to the Prime Minister earlier today how she would

:12:32.:12:36.

deal with that, how she would face up to Donald Trump, would she be

:12:37.:12:39.

very strong in asserting her view that America is wrong to pull back

:12:40.:12:44.

from the climate change treaty? Have a listen back to this. I was clear

:12:45.:12:48.

to President Trump how disappointed the UK was that the United States

:12:49.:12:51.

have decided to pull out of the Paris agreement. And also clear that

:12:52.:12:55.

I hope they'll be able to find a way to come back into the Paris

:12:56.:12:59.

agreement. I think it's important for us globally, I believe it is

:13:00.:13:02.

possible. We're not really negotiating the Paris agreement,

:13:03.:13:06.

that stays. But I want to see the United States looking for ways to

:13:07.:13:12.

rejoin. I believe the collective message that will be given to

:13:13.:13:15.

President Trump around this table will be the importance of America

:13:16.:13:20.

coming back into the agreement and I hope we'll be able to work to ensure

:13:21.:13:24.

that can happen. What do you say to business leaders like the CBI is a

:13:25.:13:27.

Britain should stay a full member of the customs union and the single

:13:28.:13:31.

market through a transition period however long that takes, for the

:13:32.:13:36.

sake of stability and certainty? What I want to do is negotiate a new

:13:37.:13:40.

comprehensive free trade agreement with the European Union to have that

:13:41.:13:45.

negotiated with him that two year time scale the treaty has set. As

:13:46.:13:50.

part of the ongoing relationship, of course, we'll need to have an

:13:51.:13:53.

implement a nation period, when that is put into place. What I want to

:13:54.:13:58.

see is a smooth and orderly process, as smooth as possible, because it is

:13:59.:14:01.

the case none of us want to disrupt our economy, we want to ensure we

:14:02.:14:06.

have that smooth process. But it is important we have that free trade

:14:07.:14:10.

agreement, that we know what that end state, that relationship is

:14:11.:14:13.

going to be for the future. Then we are able to implement that over a

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period. No very clear idea of how the Prime

:14:15.:14:26.

Minister sees our part to Brexit panning out in any detail, it's to

:14:27.:14:29.

play out, the lobbying from business and others goes on. Interesting she

:14:30.:14:36.

seemed to be arguing, she hoped, at least, it might be possible to

:14:37.:14:39.

persuade Donald Trump to come back into the climate change deal, not

:14:40.:14:43.

easy to see how that might be achieved either. When I asked about

:14:44.:14:47.

this shrinkage of British influence, if that's what it was, she said

:14:48.:14:50.

Britain could either be timid or bold, which, if nothing else, was

:14:51.:14:55.

recognition there is a challenge for Britain in keeping up its influence.

:14:56.:15:05.

Thank you very much, John, let's talk to Professor Scott Lucas. Thank

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you very much for joining us. There are lots of issues, lots of leaders

:15:11.:15:15.

there. Most of the attention is focused on Vladimir Putin and Donald

:15:16.:15:19.

Trump. What do you think they're meeting is going to deliver? How

:15:20.:15:23.

important is this meeting? I think it will provide four appearances,

:15:24.:15:26.

Donald Trump will say this proves he's a very important leader.

:15:27.:15:31.

Vladimir Putin will use this to show that Russia is now the equal of the

:15:32.:15:34.

United States, even if that's not true in many ways, that Russia is

:15:35.:15:38.

now equal in world leadership. There will be very little substance that

:15:39.:15:42.

will come out of that, and indeed the risk is that it sucks the oxygen

:15:43.:15:46.

out of the G20. We've got important issues here. We've got climate

:15:47.:15:51.

change, migration and refugees. The question of economic recovery after

:15:52.:15:55.

the 2008 financial crisis and recession. In many ways, Trump's

:15:56.:16:01.

protectionism is pulling the US after the side on those issues. It's

:16:02.:16:06.

no longer part of the Accord, so will not be. It's trying to stand

:16:07.:16:11.

aside on the migration issue. It's up to the other 18 leaders as to how

:16:12.:16:16.

they coordinate and cooperate, possibly without a clear US lead,

:16:17.:16:22.

even with the US with them. Do you see the other 18 successfully doing

:16:23.:16:25.

that? It feels like we're at a time in our history where countries are

:16:26.:16:30.

much more fragmented, all looking to their own interests. It's a time

:16:31.:16:34.

where this country is looking to Brexit, the EU is looking at that

:16:35.:16:41.

shift as well. Success can always look like a long-term challenge on

:16:42.:16:46.

many fronts. For many of the other 18 leers pursuing that cooperation.

:16:47.:16:53.

Take the European context, the new French president Emmanuel Macron and

:16:54.:16:56.

Germany's Angela Merkel are both looking to reassert a European

:16:57.:17:01.

leadership on international affairs and stability in Europe, despite

:17:02.:17:04.

Brexit. Indeed, Brexit has given them the opportunity. Consider the

:17:05.:17:10.

space for China, which wants to pursue a constructive diplomatic

:17:11.:17:13.

relationship with many countries, with Russia, with Europe, indeed,

:17:14.:17:18.

even with Latin America, and the opportunity it has. But, that said,

:17:19.:17:22.

in the case of Britain, to give an example, that effort is crippled, if

:17:23.:17:29.

not paralysed, by Britain almost innocent is withdrawing through

:17:30.:17:31.

Brexit from the European Union. -- almost in a sense.

:17:32.:17:40.

You say it is important that this meeting between Putin and Trump does

:17:41.:17:46.

not suck at the oxygen. Obviously we must wait and see what happens with

:17:47.:17:51.

that meeting but do you think that it is going to be a summit which is

:17:52.:17:55.

constructive around the broad issues? There is a double edged

:17:56.:18:02.

answer on this. And that is that the American administration, not Trump

:18:03.:18:09.

but the American defence Department wants to draw a line with the

:18:10.:18:13.

Russians. They want to say, look, stop suing this line with Ukraine,

:18:14.:18:19.

stop pursuing cyber warfare and interfering in elections including

:18:20.:18:22.

the US, stop an aggressive line in the middle age, let's talk

:18:23.:18:27.

co-operation. Trump himself simply wants the photo opportunity. I hate

:18:28.:18:33.

to be blunt but that is the case. He could work with Putin, he admires

:18:34.:18:37.

Putin. So today we will get handshakes and a lot of smiles from

:18:38.:18:41.

both men. The Russians benefit because it continues to bolster

:18:42.:18:45.

their position by playing the Americans, the US agency will have

:18:46.:18:48.

to go back to the drawing board and say where do we go from here. We've

:18:49.:18:54.

been talking about the way this place in the dynamic between the

:18:55.:18:58.

various T20 countries. What about the dynamic full Trump at home as he

:18:59.:19:02.

goes into this meeting. A great question. Again to be forthright,

:19:03.:19:10.

this meeting is a convenient diversion, and hopefully for Trump a

:19:11.:19:14.

lingering one from the troubles at home. The main story expanding will

:19:15.:19:22.

be the US investigation into Trump's possible connections with Russia in

:19:23.:19:31.

2016. But also he's failed to get any significant legislation through

:19:32.:19:34.

and has failed to repeal Obamacare. So he will get a couple of days to

:19:35.:19:39.

play at being leader and get a respite from that that next Monday

:19:40.:19:41.

we will be back into domestic matters. Vladimir Putin and Donald

:19:42.:19:48.

Trump diverged significantly on some of the most important issues that

:19:49.:19:54.

are facing us right now, such as what is happening in Syria and North

:19:55.:20:03.

Korea. Is there anyway, whatever their personal relationship is, that

:20:04.:20:11.

anything changes on that front. Is not Trump versus Putin, it is Putin,

:20:12.:20:16.

the Kremlin and the administration. It will be on a case-by-case basis.

:20:17.:20:20.

For instance on Syria the United States agencies will seek a

:20:21.:20:26.

reduction of violence and an effective partition of Syria. On

:20:27.:20:32.

North Korea, not just the US and Russia but also the Chinese who

:20:33.:20:36.

Putin met last weekend will all try to say let's step back from imminent

:20:37.:20:40.

military conflict, however provocative North Korea is trying to

:20:41.:20:44.

be, the broader issue is that when you take something like Russia's

:20:45.:20:50.

space in Europe and where Russia is challenging Nato and trying to

:20:51.:20:54.

undermine it, is there space to pull Putin back from that into a less

:20:55.:21:01.

hostile relationship? Thank you very much indeed for joining us,

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Professor Scott Lucas from Birmingham University. As we have

:21:06.:21:10.

been discussing the American and Russian presidents will hold their

:21:11.:21:16.

first face-to-face talks at the T20 later. Donald Trump says he does

:21:17.:21:21.

want to find ways to work with Vladimir Putin, what do Russians

:21:22.:21:31.

think of him. Less than before, it seems. One community that made him

:21:32.:21:34.

an honorary member has withdrawn that support. We find out why.

:21:35.:21:46.

When Donald Trump became president there were great expectations in

:21:47.:22:51.

Russia, are you disappointed in him. Yes. I understand he's in a very

:22:52.:22:57.

tough position because every time he says something, wants to improve

:22:58.:23:01.

relations with Russia, he is immediately accused of being a

:23:02.:23:03.

Russian stooge, a surrogate. Still to come the EU rejects a plea

:23:04.:23:23.

for help from Italy in dealing with thousands of migrants arriving at

:23:24.:23:27.

their shores. We'll talk about the situation with migrants and the

:23:28.:23:30.

bigger picture in terms of what can be done to deal with where they are

:23:31.:23:32.

going. Also "I give you my word

:23:33.:23:39.

I will look into this matter" - those where the words to residents

:23:40.:23:42.

and survivors of the Grenfell tower fire from Sir Martin Moore-Bick -

:23:43.:23:45.

the retired judge who will oversee He attended a meeting yesterday

:23:46.:23:48.

evening held by the Lancaster West Residents Association,

:23:49.:23:52.

where he denied that he'd been Sir Martin has already faced calls

:23:53.:23:54.

to resign over fears from residents that his remit

:23:55.:24:00.

for the inquiry will be too narrow. Here's a clip of from

:24:01.:24:03.

last night's meeting. I can't do more than assure you that

:24:04.:24:08.

I know what it is to be impartial. I've been a judge for 20 years,

:24:09.:24:12.

and I give you my word that I will look into this matter

:24:13.:24:15.

to the very best of my ability, and find the facts as I see

:24:16.:24:18.

them from the evidence. Now, if I can't satisfy

:24:19.:24:21.

you because you have some preconception about me as a person,

:24:22.:24:29.

that's up to you. At that meeting yesterday

:24:30.:24:31.

was Joe Delaney, he's a member He joins us now. It was a heated

:24:32.:25:23.

meeting. What is your thinking on it? Well, as you saw, I was giving

:25:24.:25:29.

Sir Martin Moore-Bick my opinion. I met him last week and I felt he came

:25:30.:25:33.

out and immediately spoke to the media and was quite dismissive of

:25:34.:25:37.

our calls for a wider inquiry than what he sees as its just being

:25:38.:25:42.

about. We don't want this reduced to simply being a debate about

:25:43.:25:44.

cladding. The issues are far wider than that. He hasn't said it will be

:25:45.:25:52.

just about cladding, has he? He's said he is determined, and I'm

:25:53.:25:57.

quoting from him, and determined to establish the causes of the tragedy

:25:58.:26:01.

and ensure appropriate lessons are learned. To do this the inquiry will

:26:02.:26:04.

need to examine all the circumstances leading up to the fire

:26:05.:26:09.

to understand its causes and prevent such a tragedy of a happening again.

:26:10.:26:13.

I want to hear from people directly affected by the fire and listen to

:26:14.:26:18.

their views on the shape of the work of the inquiry and the questions we

:26:19.:26:22.

should seek to answer. With those words he sounds open-minded in terms

:26:23.:26:28.

of the scope of the inquiry. In the Queen's Speech overpromised and

:26:29.:26:32.

opening inquiry -- and open inquiry along those lines and yet Sir Martin

:26:33.:26:39.

has said... Oh, dear, we have been put on hold! We will try to go back

:26:40.:26:47.

to Joe Delaney. I think, sorry, you went on hold momentarily, pick up

:26:48.:26:52.

where you were. Yes, sorry. As I said, in the Queen's Speech we were

:26:53.:26:56.

promised a wide inquiry along those lines. And then he said he had been

:26:57.:27:01.

told privately that the inquiry would be much narrower. Why isn't he

:27:02.:27:06.

willing to publish, for example all the correspondence between the Prime

:27:07.:27:09.

Minister 's office and himself concerning the inquiry? Why was he

:27:10.:27:15.

so dismissive of the reasonable concerns people made in smaller

:27:16.:27:20.

groups last week. He would not have faced such a sceptical crowd last

:27:21.:27:27.

night. At that meeting last night, she said "I cannot do more than to

:27:28.:27:31.

assure you I know what it is to be impartial. I have been a judge for

:27:32.:27:35.

20 years and I give you my word that I will look into this matter to the

:27:36.:27:39.

best of my ability and find the facts as I see them from my

:27:40.:27:43.

evidence. That is my job, that is my training, that is what I intend to

:27:44.:27:50.

do." It isn't a case of trust, it's more a case of him saying one thing

:27:51.:27:55.

and doing another. Why not give him some time to see what he does? I

:27:56.:28:01.

have given him time to see what he does. He was in a meeting with me

:28:02.:28:06.

last week. He said he had taken on board everything we said and then

:28:07.:28:09.

three hours later he spoke to the media and was dismissive of all of

:28:10.:28:15.

the residents our concerns. I understand he can't please everyone

:28:16.:28:19.

but the loose language he used last week and his choice of language last

:28:20.:28:23.

night doesn't elicit confidence. Rightly, this man is an advocate for

:28:24.:28:28.

50 odd years of his life. If he can't sell a simple case, one that

:28:29.:28:34.

he believes in, what fate should we have in him in general? He says his

:28:35.:28:40.

job is to be impartial, to get to the bottom of what has happened and

:28:41.:28:44.

he's absolutely open. He wants to hear from residents as to what they

:28:45.:28:49.

would like to look at in terms of the inquiry. Oh, we have gone back

:28:50.:28:54.

on hold. We will give it a moment in case it comes back like it did

:28:55.:29:02.

before. No. OK. We will try to fix that. A technical issue. We've tried

:29:03.:29:10.

to go back to Joe Delaney if we can. Still to come despite thousands of

:29:11.:29:14.

migrants arriving at Italian shores where the EU has rejected a plea

:29:15.:29:18.

from Italy for more help in growing with -- coping with growing numbers

:29:19.:29:22.

of migrants. And we will talk to this lorry driver. Watch these

:29:23.:29:27.

pictures, it is the lorry driver whose heroic actions averted a major

:29:28.:29:35.

disaster on a busy A Road. We'll talk to him about exactly what

:29:36.:29:39.

happened and what was going through his mind when that was happening.

:29:40.:29:48.

Let's catch up with all the news with Annita

:29:49.:29:52.

Tight security is in place in the German city of Hamburg

:29:53.:29:55.

for the start of the G-20 summit, after a night of violent

:29:56.:29:58.

clashes between riot police and anti-capitalist protesters.

:29:59.:30:03.

Items on the agenda will be trade, climate

:30:04.:30:05.

The American and Russian presidents will also meet for the first time

:30:06.:30:11.

and Theresa May will call on world leaders to work together to cut off

:30:12.:30:14.

what I'm doing here at the G20 is raising the need for us to work

:30:15.:30:23.

collectively, internationally, to deal with terrorist financing. Not

:30:24.:30:27.

just large sums of money financing terrorism, but also to find ways of

:30:28.:30:31.

working with the financial services, with banks and others, to identify

:30:32.:30:35.

those smaller scale transactions that can sometimes lead to terrorist

:30:36.:30:37.

activity. Citizens Advice is calling

:30:38.:30:38.

on ministers to stop the roll out of the new welfare benefit,

:30:39.:30:41.

Universal Credit. The charity says problems

:30:42.:30:43.

with the benefit are forcing people into debt,

:30:44.:30:45.

and say tens of thousands of people will face financial hardship

:30:46.:30:47.

unless improvements are made. Ministers insist the

:30:48.:30:52.

benefit is working. The World Health Organisation says

:30:53.:30:56.

gonorrhoea is getting much harder to treat -

:30:57.:30:59.

and it's essential that research is carried out to find

:31:00.:31:01.

new drugs and a vaccine. A study by the WHO in 77 countries

:31:02.:31:08.

suggests the sexually transmitted infection -

:31:09.:31:12.

which can cause infertility - is rapidly evolving

:31:13.:31:14.

resistance to antibiotics. They estimate that 78 million

:31:15.:31:16.

people pick up the disease The organisation representing NHS

:31:17.:31:19.

trusts in England says core mental health services

:31:20.:31:26.

are being overwhelmed A survey by NHS Providers also found

:31:27.:31:28.

more than three quarters of mental health trusts think extra

:31:29.:31:34.

money pledged at national level The Department of Health says

:31:35.:31:37.

there is a commitment to seeing A US hospital is offering to ship

:31:38.:31:43.

an experimental drug to the UK to help treat terminally-ill Charlie

:31:44.:31:51.

Gard. The hospital in New York

:31:52.:31:54.

also offered to admit the 11-month-old if "legal hurdles"

:31:55.:31:56.

can be cleared. Charlie's parents are at

:31:57.:32:01.

the centre of a lengthy legal battle with doctors

:32:02.:32:04.

at London's Great Ormond Street Hospital, who say the treatment

:32:05.:32:06.

would not help the boy. A new gallery will open

:32:07.:32:10.

in David Hockney's hometown of Bradford today -

:32:11.:32:12.

to coincide with his 80th The David Hockney Gallery,

:32:13.:32:14.

at Cartwright Hall, houses the largest public collection

:32:15.:32:19.

of his early artworks The display also includes family

:32:20.:32:21.

photos and previously unseen footage Let's join Jess for sports update.

:32:22.:32:49.

Johanna Konta and Andy Murray lead British hope that Wimbledon today as

:32:50.:32:52.

they take to the court in the third round. Konta is now the favourite

:32:53.:32:54.

with some bookmakers. She Heather Watson, Andy Murray and

:32:55.:33:04.

Aljaz Bedene are also in action. Seven time champion Roger Federer

:33:05.:33:06.

said he couldn't get rid of the nerves early in his match, but still

:33:07.:33:11.

made it through in straight sets against Lajovic. In his first match

:33:12.:33:17.

as England captain Joe Root hit 184 not out against South Africa in the

:33:18.:33:21.

opening test at Lord's. That innings rescued England, who lost early

:33:22.:33:26.

wickets. They resume on 357-5 in around half an hour. Chris Froome is

:33:27.:33:31.

still wearing the leader 's yellow jersey after what he described as

:33:32.:33:34.

one of the most relaxing days he'd ever had on the Tour de France. That

:33:35.:33:39.

is all the sport for now. Let me bring you some news from

:33:40.:33:50.

the... Some news from the G20's it in Hamburg. We hear Vladimir Putin

:33:51.:33:57.

and Donald Trump have met, they've already shaken hands. According to

:33:58.:34:02.

the Kremlin spokesman, who has said they will see each other later.

:34:03.:34:10.

Responding to the BBC, he said Putin had been informed of Trump's

:34:11.:34:14.

comments in Poland about Russia, he will bear them in mind for their

:34:15.:34:18.

meeting. He would not be drawn on how that might affect the

:34:19.:34:22.

atmosphere. Let's wait and see the results, he said, let's not get out

:34:23.:34:24.

of ourselves, the meeting hasn't happened yet. Asked whether Putin's

:34:25.:34:29.

sentiment was the same as Trump's on Twitter, that he was looking forward

:34:30.:34:34.

to meeting with lots to discuss, he said simply yes. They met, shaken

:34:35.:34:37.

hands, not sure whether there are any pictures. We haven't got any

:34:38.:34:42.

now, we're hoping there might be some pictures, we might get them a

:34:43.:34:45.

little bit later, if we do, we will bring them to you.

:34:46.:34:47.

Thousands of migrants are fleeing Libya by making the dangerous

:34:48.:34:49.

journey across the Mediterranean sea to Europe.

:34:50.:34:51.

It's estimated that so far this year more than 2,000 people have

:34:52.:34:54.

died while making the crossing, making this set to be

:34:55.:34:56.

Most of the migrants end up in Italy.

:34:57.:34:59.

80,000 have so far crossed this year, the numbers up 20% on last

:35:00.:35:12.

year. Most of the migrants

:35:13.:35:13.

end up in Italy. almost 13,000 migrants

:35:14.:35:15.

and refugees arrived. EU countries are being accused

:35:16.:35:18.

of failing to help Italy to cope, and it it is now threatening

:35:19.:35:21.

to close its ports to foreign ships. Steve Valdez-Symonds

:35:22.:35:26.

is here from Amnesty International. He's their Refugee and Migrant

:35:27.:35:27.

Rights Programme director. Annalisa Piras, is an Italian

:35:28.:35:34.

Journalist and Film-Maker who's been making a film about the migrant

:35:35.:35:37.

crisis, following this story And from the Mediteranean we can

:35:38.:35:39.

speak to Regina Catrambone the director of Migrant

:35:40.:35:43.

Offshore Aid Station - From the Italian perspective, how is

:35:44.:36:01.

this scene? This is increasingly looking not to like an EU migrant

:36:02.:36:06.

problem, but an Italian one. Huge numbers of migrants arriving in

:36:07.:36:11.

Italy. Italy is at breaking point. The situation is completely

:36:12.:36:16.

unsustainable. The local impact is devastating. There are all sorts of

:36:17.:36:20.

consequences. Italy has been left alone for seven years now. So there

:36:21.:36:26.

has been sometimes of doing something the EU operation Sophia is

:36:27.:36:31.

one of them. France and Germany are now starting to help a little bit

:36:32.:36:36.

more. There is some awareness. But the reality is that there is a fire

:36:37.:36:41.

going on in Italy and the neighbours are looking at the Garden of Italy,

:36:42.:36:46.

saying, it's the garden, it's not our problem. Well, actually, this is

:36:47.:36:51.

the problem of all European countries, and there needs to be

:36:52.:36:54.

much bigger awareness and a much bigger sense of responsibility and

:36:55.:36:58.

solidarity. Especially from the point of view of France and Britain,

:36:59.:37:03.

that intervened in Libya in 2011. And they somehow caused chaos going

:37:04.:37:10.

on now. Because let's not forget the problem is that Libya is a failed

:37:11.:37:15.

state and has become a launch platform for hundreds of thousands

:37:16.:37:18.

of people coming from all of Africa. There is a huge responsibility for

:37:19.:37:25.

other European countries. How do you see the situation with Italy saying

:37:26.:37:28.

we cannot cope, other countries need to open up their ports from other

:37:29.:37:33.

countries say they won't. Sending money to Italy to deal with the

:37:34.:37:36.

problem, but also sending money to Libya. What do you think about that

:37:37.:37:40.

approach? The problem we have is for many years there has been a failure

:37:41.:37:44.

of responsibility sharing across the globe, quite frankly. Certainly

:37:45.:37:50.

through Europe. Amnesty International certainly shares

:37:51.:37:53.

Italy's concerns that it's not being adequately supported by its European

:37:54.:37:57.

partners. The truth is, the fire is not in Europe, the fire is not in

:37:58.:38:03.

Italy, the fire appears in conflict and oppressive regimes and a failed

:38:04.:38:07.

state in Libya. Elsewhere. That is where people are being forced to

:38:08.:38:11.

flee. Let's not forget somewhere around 50% of the people fleeing out

:38:12.:38:16.

of Libya are people who went to Libya to work. They didn't go to

:38:17.:38:20.

Libya in the hope of travelling to Europe, they found themselves

:38:21.:38:23.

trapped in the very hostile and dangerous place where many people

:38:24.:38:27.

have been detained, tortured, enslaved. This is their only way

:38:28.:38:30.

out. Europe needs to come together to support Italy but it also needs

:38:31.:38:36.

to recognise that for those people getting into these boats there

:38:37.:38:39.

really are no choices for them. Search and rescue must be a

:38:40.:38:46.

priority. Regina, Italy, France and Germany have described the action by

:38:47.:38:50.

the NGOs you have boats in the waters just outside Libyan

:38:51.:38:57.

territory, sometimes it is claimed even in Libyan waters, as

:38:58.:38:59.

effectively creating a pull factor for refugees. This is a particularly

:39:00.:39:04.

busy time of the year for the refugees to be making this journey.

:39:05.:39:12.

What is it like in those waters? I can give you the perspective now.

:39:13.:39:17.

Because at the moment I'm talking to you and I'm in international waters.

:39:18.:39:24.

We are 20-25 miles from the Libyan shore. We have been here from the

:39:25.:39:33.

4th of July. We are patrolling since then. Our last rescue the 30th of

:39:34.:39:43.

June. 412 people under the coordination of the Italian

:39:44.:39:46.

coastguard were transferred from the Phoenix vessel, the vessel... To an

:39:47.:40:00.

Italian vessel. I don't believe the ships at sea are a factor, this has

:40:01.:40:06.

been proven in many discussions. Everybody again is talking about

:40:07.:40:14.

solidarity, Italy solidarity. And I believe it's very important.

:40:15.:40:20.

However, we need to discuss about the solidarity. Towards the people.

:40:21.:40:26.

That are dying out at sea. And continue to die on Europe's

:40:27.:40:32.

doorstep. We don't need to forget them. Every day, everybody talks

:40:33.:40:40.

about the migrants. But nobody talks with them, nobody listens to them.

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Here is the ship after the rescue. We take our time to collect their

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story, to talk with the people. This is very important. It's part of

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integration. Courage, empathy, mercy and solidarity need to be the

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kaleidoscope of our society. Today, Coldplay released an album in favour

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of all the people trying to survive. We want to thank them and all of the

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English people that continue to donate to us and believe in our

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effort. Annalisa, Regina is talking about empathy and solidarity and its

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importance. Italy, as you've been describing, under pressure as a

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result of the numbers going in. But what is the public perspective in

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Italy in terms of sympathy for the migrants? Well, I guess that it's

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very similar, in a more extreme way, to what is happening in the rest of

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Europe. This crisis has been going on for seven years. There is

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fatigue. People are turning their heads the other way. Italians cannot

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do that completely. Because they are faced with the direct consequences.

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Part of the population is exasperated. There are internal

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politics consequences, because populism is feasting on this

:42:24.:42:28.

situation with anti-migrant xenophobic policies. And then there

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is the other part of the people who actually feel sympathy and

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compassion, who are just absolutely exasperated, because they don't know

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what could be done by Italy alone. So there is a very widespread on

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both sides of the argument. Despair, really. What do you think, Steve,

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about the impact on politics within Europe? Is the sort of rise in

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xenophobic attitudes as a result of this? It's very troubling. She's

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quite right to point out just long this situation has been ongoing.

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It's certainly true over the last four years the numbers who made

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those crossings have been significant higher than years

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before. She's quite right, journeys across the central Mediterranean to

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Italy on many years old. The truth is, political leaders across Europe

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have largely refused to get to grips with that and refused to recognise

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that by simply putting all their efforts into trying to stop movement

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they have simply empowered more and more the very smuggling gangs they

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want to shut down. Because people who have no choice but to need to

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flee, whether from conflict, extreme poverty or chaos in Libya, they

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haven't got any choice. They have to take whatever option is available to

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them. Smugglers are the only people offering an option at the moment, so

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that is why they have been so empowered. That has escalated over

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several years and it's going to take a long time to tackle those

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smuggling gangs. The only way, ultimately, to do that, is to take

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away their business. It must mean to ensure many more people have the

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safe and legal routes they need. Alice joins us now.

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And Alice Gautreau is a midwife for Doctors Without Borders

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who is working on board a rescue ship.

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Tell us, what is it like on that ship, what you're doing? So I work

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on the Aquarius ship and I look after women and children who are

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taken off the sea into our boat. What are the stories you hear from

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the people you're helping? I think the stories that I hear cooperate

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very well with what this gentleman said. People are fleeing from

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terrible, terrible situations. Certainly being a woman in Libya

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sounds very, very dangerous and puts you at risk of a lot of violence.

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Being a black woman in Libya sounds even deadly and really, really

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dangerous as well. A quick final thought from you. We are hearing

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frustrations, all round, actually, about the way this situation is

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being dealt with. As things stand, the reality is migrants are going to

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Italy. With other countries refusing to open their ports, is there any

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chance Italy might say, well, that's enough, we'll close our ports?

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Where I've been making a film and this is the past two years so I know

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it is a very, very complex issue. But there are things that cannot

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really happen in the sense that... Italy cannot stop welcoming these

:45:55.:45:58.

people because it would be illegal to refuse to help people in need.

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The question is, how long will it take. How many more people will die,

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and will go through this horrendous journey before public opinion in

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Europe says enough is enough. I think that's the main thing.

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Because at the moment there seems to be a denial of this tragedy of

:46:26.:46:29.

biblical proportions that is happening there. So really the

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responsibility is with us to start saying we need to do something

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together collectively. Thank you very much.

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It's one of the mysteries of life - what really happens

:46:42.:46:43.

Well, we've asked three people who have experienced death

:46:44.:46:47.

in different ways to tell us what they remember in the time spent

:46:48.:46:50.

When I was 21, I bled to death, nearly.

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Early in the morning, two nurses came and asked me

:46:56.:47:01.

to follow them up these stairs to have a check.

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The doctor was going to come up and look at me.

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Sunday night came, which is when everything started.

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I walked towards the phone, something said, "You have

:47:16.:47:23.

I got through to the operator and we started talking.

:47:24.:47:27.

I explained to her about the severe chest pains that I had

:47:28.:47:30.

She told me to open the front door, sit down and just

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Two paramedics walked in, a man and a woman.

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And I remember her name, her name was Rebecca.

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I put my chin on to my right shoulder, and the next thing,

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My experience goes a number of years back, I was roughly 35.

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And a few friends decided we'd be going to visit the South of France

:48:07.:48:09.

And we're down by the side of the river.

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A few of us thought we'd just go into the river,

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Immediately, I stepped one step forward, and the next

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I'd gone right in the water, and it was a very powerful current.

:48:32.:48:37.

I'm being swept downstream, and I sink initially,

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and I come right up for a gulp of air.

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And the second time, I wasn't going to make it.

:48:48.:48:52.

I'm principal lecturer at the University of Hertfordshire.

:48:53.:48:56.

And I was formerly consultant nursing resuscitation

:48:57.:48:58.

I've had some involvement in some ground-breaking research

:48:59.:49:01.

into what is known as the near death experience of patients who have

:49:02.:49:04.

In that research, we conducted interviews with patients who had

:49:05.:49:12.

survived the cardiac arrest, and it's reasonable to say the vast

:49:13.:49:16.

majority of those patients who recovered didn't experience any

:49:17.:49:20.

However, there were a small number of patients who, when interviewed,

:49:21.:49:34.

were able to identify that they had these kind of experiences.

:49:35.:49:41.

What they recalled to me mostly was they had this

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I've looked up from my feet, and off in the distance is two

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And within a flash, I woke up in the back of the ambulance.

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Standing above me was Rebecca, the paramedic.

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She leant over me in the back of the ambulance.

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And I watched her come over me, and she tapped the clock.

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She said "We've had to resuscitate you."

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I was on the ceiling looking down at my body,

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And the two nurses were there, and they were calling out to me.

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But I wasn't outside the hospital, where I thought I was going to go.

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For some reason, I thought I was going to just be flying out

:50:40.:50:42.

But I was in this incredible golden light, like, I guess,

:50:43.:50:53.

if you could be inside the Sun, that is what it would look like.

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In the distance, this beautiful, more beautiful

:50:57.:51:00.

than you can imagine, pure, like diamond light shone.

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And I just started flying towards it, and...

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And the feeling of that was so much more love than what was

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Just, like, really feeling it when I talk about it.

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You realise that the moment of death is the most painless thing.

:51:24.:51:27.

It's the physicality that's the painful experience.

:51:28.:51:29.

The moment of death is the easiest thing, it's absolutely

:51:30.:51:31.

Because once you are physically dead, then you're in this

:51:32.:51:38.

amazing embrace of purity, of peace, of love.

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Part of what we're trying to do is to understand

:51:49.:51:50.

the scientific basis of how this can happen.

:51:51.:51:54.

How is it that the human mind, when by all known measurable things

:51:55.:52:01.

is able to visually see and record, and store, that memory

:52:02.:52:11.

into their brain, and then recall it some time later,

:52:12.:52:16.

when to all intents and purposes, they were what we would describe

:52:17.:52:19.

So we know that the normal electrical response in the brain

:52:20.:52:23.

stops between 30 and 60 seconds after the heart has stopped.

:52:24.:52:26.

We also know that the oxygen levels stop.

:52:27.:52:28.

We are going to do this work over a very long period of time.

:52:29.:52:31.

And probably in my lifetime, we won't get the answers.

:52:32.:52:36.

I've come around with my nose up on the ceiling tiles.

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And I felt myself fall backwards into my body.

:52:40.:52:49.

I now have the beautiful side and spiritualism that comes with it,

:52:50.:52:54.

but it has left me with a lot of legacies of the shock and trauma

:52:55.:52:57.

I'm now diagnosed with PTSD, military grade trauma PTSD.

:52:58.:53:09.

I felt myself falling, and kind of wishing I wasn't going back.

:53:10.:53:15.

You just know you're safe, in a way that you can never truly be

:53:16.:53:30.

You feel an all-pervading sense, I suppose you could sum it up

:53:31.:53:44.

as love, but peace would be a much more accurate description.

:53:45.:53:50.

The truth is that we probably just don't know.

:53:51.:53:52.

We don't know exactly at what point in the death

:53:53.:53:54.

process that patients, these people, this 10% of people

:53:55.:53:58.

who have near death experiences, we don't know exactly

:53:59.:54:00.

Being a pragmatic, scientific person, I will take the view

:54:01.:54:07.

that it is about how we interpret the information, how we interpret

:54:08.:54:13.

the data and the lens we view it through, based on our own belief

:54:14.:54:24.

systems, our own knowledge, our own skills and our own experiences.

:54:25.:54:31.

Three people talking about their near death experiences.

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Next, Russell Dagless was in his lorry ..

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When he looked out of his window he saw a van..

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Banging against the central reservation.

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he could see he was slumped in his seat.

:54:46.:54:49.

Russell then made a split second decision to do something about it.

:54:50.:54:52.

He got the van in a pincer movement and pinned it against the central

:54:53.:55:41.

reservation, the driver had become unconscious at the wheel. Russell

:55:42.:55:46.

managed to stop the van, and a car following on behind pulled up and

:55:47.:55:49.

paramedics were able to treat the driver of that fan. The Royal Humane

:55:50.:55:54.

Society has given Russell an award for his bravery. Says it was like a

:55:55.:56:00.

scene from an all action movie, you saved the life of the driver and his

:56:01.:56:04.

incredible courage also stopped a pile-up. So he has been awarded the

:56:05.:56:09.

highest life-saving honour. I am delighted to say that Russell joins

:56:10.:56:10.

me now. Russell, just explain what went

:56:11.:56:17.

through your mind when you were driving along and saw what happened

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with the van. Hello! Just something had to be done. I was just in a

:56:23.:56:27.

position where I was able to do it. I have the correct vehicle for the

:56:28.:56:33.

job. Were you worried or did you just go into action mode? Just went

:56:34.:56:41.

into instinct mode. It was just a natural reaction. No special thought

:56:42.:56:47.

about it. Just, something had to be done and I was the one put in that

:56:48.:56:52.

position. Someone had to do something. So you had seen the van

:56:53.:57:00.

at the head bumping against the central reservation and realised as

:57:01.:57:04.

you began to overtake that it looked as if the driver was unconscious.

:57:05.:57:09.

Describe what happened. I saw the van was out of control so I pulled

:57:10.:57:13.

up on his knee aside because I was in the fast lane up against the

:57:14.:57:17.

barrier. -- pulled up on his near side. From my elevated position I

:57:18.:57:22.

could see into his cab and saw he was collapsed at the wheel, he was

:57:23.:57:27.

resting on the driver's door. Not a lot of sign of movement from him so

:57:28.:57:31.

he was obviously in need of assistance. It has been described as

:57:32.:57:39.

being like something from an action movie. Which, when you see not only

:57:40.:57:45.

what you did that then the others jumping on your trailer to rescue

:57:46.:57:49.

the man inside, that is what it looks like, is that what it felt

:57:50.:57:55.

like? It did not really sort of feel anything at that time, it was just

:57:56.:57:59.

what was necessary at the time. I mean, looking back on it now, I

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suppose you could class it as something like a film, or what have

:58:06.:58:09.

you but it certainly wasn't staged at the time, I can assure you! I'm

:58:10.:58:15.

sure. You did a great thing. Thank you for joining us. Hope you have a

:58:16.:58:19.

lovely weekend. The same to you at home. Hope you have a lovely

:58:20.:58:23.

weekend, enjoy the sunshine if you have it.

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