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Hello, it's Friday it's 9 o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling, | :00:08. | :00:10. | |
Donald Trump meet Vladimir Putin face-to-face today at the G20 summit | :00:11. | :00:19. | |
in Hamburg. They will attempt to repair ties after damage over | :00:20. | :00:24. | |
Russia's alleged meddling in the US election. The meeting comes one day | :00:25. | :00:27. | |
after the President claimed the West needed to show the Will to survive | :00:28. | :00:33. | |
international threats. To date we are in the West, and we have to say, | :00:34. | :00:40. | |
there are dire threats to our security and to our way of life. | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
Ahead of the meeting clashes between protesters have left more | :00:46. | :00:47. | |
than 70 police officers injured and as you can see | :00:48. | :00:49. | |
Citizens advice say the roll-out of Universal Credit, the new system by | :00:50. | :00:59. | |
which all benefits are combined into one payment, should be paused until | :01:00. | :01:04. | |
problems with it are sorted out. The EU rejects plea from Italy for more | :01:05. | :01:10. | |
help dealing with migrants arriving at their shores, as the number of | :01:11. | :01:14. | |
people making the journey across the Mediterranean soars. We'll take a | :01:15. | :01:17. | |
look at what is happening and speak to people working on rescue ships. | :01:18. | :01:26. | |
Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning. | :01:27. | :01:31. | |
Lots to talk about this morning, and we do have some | :01:32. | :01:36. | |
breaking news - police in Italy say a five storey apartment building has | :01:37. | :01:39. | |
collapsed and a search for survivors is underway. | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
We will also be live at Wimbledon this morning - | :01:44. | :01:50. | |
as four Brits are in action at Wimbledon today. | :01:51. | :01:52. | |
Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning - | :01:53. | :01:55. | |
use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE and if you text, you will be charged | :01:56. | :01:58. | |
Our main story, security is tight in the German city of Hamburg for the | :01:59. | :02:05. | |
start of the G20 summit after a night of violent clashes between | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
riot police and anti-capitalist protesters. Items on the agenda will | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
be trade, climate change and North Korea. The American and Russian | :02:14. | :02:19. | |
presidents will be meeting for the first time. Theresa May will call on | :02:20. | :02:23. | |
world leaders to work together to cut off funding to terrorist groups. | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
Our diplomatic correspondent James Robbins reports from hamburger. -- | :02:28. | :02:34. | |
from Hamburg. A global summit automatically | :02:35. | :02:36. | |
triggers protest from those who accuse the world's most powerful | :02:37. | :02:38. | |
leaders of serving narrow interests. "Welcome to hell," is one slogan | :02:39. | :02:41. | |
to greet the presidents and prime ministers who are divided over | :02:42. | :02:44. | |
a huge range of issues. But most eyes are focused | :02:45. | :02:46. | |
on the controversial figure This summit host, Germany's | :02:47. | :02:48. | |
Chancellor Angela Merkel, facing elections, has | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
showed her anger in the past over the President's denunciation of | :02:53. | :02:59. | |
the Paris Climate Change Agreement. But she's now hoping to combine | :03:00. | :03:01. | |
toughness with a search The real prize fight here will be | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
Mr Trump's first presidential bout On his way here, President Trump | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
acknowledged the possibility Russia interfered in the American | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
elections, at the same time he accused Russia of | :03:15. | :03:16. | |
deliberate destabilisation These are charges denied | :03:17. | :03:17. | |
by Vladimir Putin and the Kremlin. The two presidents may find some | :03:18. | :03:29. | |
common ground but this very personal contest symbolises deep divisions | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
among the wider leadership of the most powerful | :03:34. | :03:35. | |
economies in the world. Disputes over trade and how | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
to confront North Korea are among China, with Russia, wants to keep | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
the focus on dialogue. The Prime Minister, Theresa May, | :03:45. | :03:51. | |
has come to Hamburg pledging to continue her campaign to outlaw | :03:52. | :03:53. | |
the financing of violent extremism. She will present new ideas | :03:54. | :03:56. | |
for international co-oporation to try to identify and close down | :03:57. | :03:58. | |
even small-scale channelling All summits throw division | :03:59. | :04:01. | |
into sharp relief but still this Let's go live to James Robbins in | :04:02. | :04:27. | |
Hamburg. Obviously, it's the G20, but it is effectively G two in | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
particular getting all the attention. Lots of anticipation | :04:33. | :04:35. | |
about what it is going to be like when Trump and Putin come together. | :04:36. | :04:40. | |
Absolutely right, it's not wrong, I think, to focus on this political | :04:41. | :04:47. | |
prizefight, this showdown between two rivals on the world stage you've | :04:48. | :04:53. | |
never met before as presidents. It's a meeting scheduled for 30-35 | :04:54. | :04:57. | |
minutes according to the White House, relatively short. It will be | :04:58. | :05:00. | |
what the cameras reveal for the short time they are present which | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
most people will try to analyse. The two leaders squaring up to each | :05:05. | :05:10. | |
other. One Donald Trump, some seven inches taller, 18 centimetres | :05:11. | :05:17. | |
taller, than the Russian president, but the Russian president brings the | :05:18. | :05:20. | |
experience that can often carry you through tough meetings, when Donald | :05:21. | :05:26. | |
Trump has been in office for 170 days, less than six months. | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
President Putin can correction occur less than eight months. President | :05:31. | :05:36. | |
Putin has been in power for 17 years. It crystallises all the | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
uncertainty in a rather rudderless world that the other leaders feel at | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
this summit. Thank you very much, we'll be talking more about the | :05:46. | :05:48. | |
potential around that particular meeting, plus the other issues, of | :05:49. | :05:52. | |
course, facing world leaders at the G20 summit a little bit later. If | :05:53. | :05:57. | |
you want to get in touch on that or anything else with talking about, | :05:58. | :05:58. | |
get in touch. Annita is in the BBC | :05:59. | :05:59. | |
Newsroom with a summary The senior judge who will lead the | :06:00. | :06:11. | |
Grenfell Tower public enquiry has faced angry questions from survivors | :06:12. | :06:15. | |
of the fire and local residents at a public meeting last night. | :06:16. | :06:42. | |
Sir Martin Moore-Bick has been accused of not considering the | :06:43. | :06:53. | |
social issues, something he denies. Tens of thousands of people will be | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
forced into debt if changes are not made to the way the new welfare | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
benefit, Universal Credit, is ruled out. That is according to the | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
charity citizens advice, which is calling for improvements. Ministers | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
insist the benefit is working, as our social affairs correspondent | :07:10. | :07:10. | |
Michael Buchanan reports. At the Citizens Advice | :07:11. | :07:12. | |
office in Bridgewater, an increasing number | :07:13. | :07:14. | |
of people are coming in, Vicki Kelly has had to take the day | :07:15. | :07:16. | |
off work to sort out her problems. She has no internet access at home | :07:17. | :07:22. | |
and struggles to keep up Yeah, I'm having to take the day off | :07:23. | :07:24. | |
from work to sort this out! They you want me to work and yet, | :07:25. | :07:30. | |
you've got to take time off! What's it been like, then, | :07:31. | :07:33. | |
the past few months? Struggling for money, | :07:34. | :07:36. | |
having to find other work And obviously now, they have stopped | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
it again at the moment, we have to make phone calls, | :07:41. | :07:43. | |
make appointments to come back And again, it is more time off | :07:44. | :07:46. | |
of work, losing more money. Universal Credit has been rolled out | :07:47. | :07:52. | |
across rolled out across Britain, six welfare payments such as housing | :07:53. | :07:54. | |
benefit and tax credits But problems are emerging - | :07:55. | :07:57. | |
a survey conducted by Citizens Advice of those people it's | :07:58. | :08:05. | |
helped found over a third of claimants are waiting longer | :08:06. | :08:08. | |
than the six weeks they should One in ten people have to wait over | :08:09. | :08:10. | |
ten weeks for Universal Credit. More than half have had | :08:11. | :08:16. | |
to borrow money while waiting We are seeing at the moment | :08:17. | :08:19. | |
thousands of people who are seriously worried | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
about their personal situations and cannot fix it because the | :08:24. | :08:27. | |
administration of Universal Credit is not helping them and the support | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
is not there for them Ministers insist that | :08:31. | :08:33. | |
Universal Credit is a success and say most claimants are satisfied | :08:34. | :08:37. | |
with the benefit and that help it is available for | :08:38. | :08:40. | |
those with problems. And at 9.30 Joanna will be hearing | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
from people who have had problems with this credit system alongside | :08:46. | :08:51. | |
an MP from the Work The World Health Organisation says | :08:52. | :08:53. | |
gonorrhoea is getting much harder to treat - | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
and it's essential that research is carried out to find | :08:59. | :09:00. | |
new drugs and a vaccine. A study by the WHO in 77 countries | :09:01. | :09:03. | |
suggests the sexually transmitted infection - | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
which can cause infertility - is rapidly evolving | :09:07. | :09:07. | |
resistance to antibiotics. They estimate that 78 million people | :09:08. | :09:15. | |
pick up the disease worldwide each Mental health services in England | :09:16. | :09:28. | |
are being overwhelmed by a combination of rising demand and | :09:29. | :09:32. | |
staff shortages, according to a survey by NHS providers. There are | :09:33. | :09:36. | |
also concerns extra government money designed to improve access for | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
patients needing help is failing to reach front line services. Here is | :09:41. | :09:43. | |
Dominic Hughes, health correspondent. | :09:44. | :09:44. | |
Two years ago Alice Victor was struggling with an eating | :09:45. | :09:47. | |
disorder but her GP told her it would take at least a year before | :09:48. | :09:50. | |
In the end Alice went private but, thinking back, she remembers that | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
It takes so much to come out and say I need help and I need professional | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
help, and then to not get it is horrible. | :10:00. | :10:02. | |
And having to wait longer and longer, you get stuck | :10:03. | :10:04. | |
in the same unhealthy thought patterns and your mental | :10:05. | :10:06. | |
A survey of bosses at mental health trusts across England paints | :10:07. | :10:17. | |
a picture of services under pressure. | :10:18. | :10:19. | |
70% expect demand to increase this year. | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
Two out of three trusts say they don't have enough staff | :10:24. | :10:26. | |
to cope, particularly mental health nurses and psychiatrists. | :10:27. | :10:29. | |
And 80% say extra government money intended for mental health is not | :10:30. | :10:32. | |
We have seen many, many more campaigns up and down the country | :10:33. | :10:40. | |
really talking about breaking down the stigma of presenting for mental | :10:41. | :10:42. | |
health treatment, but that means that demand is going | :10:43. | :10:44. | |
And I think we are at risk of mental health trusts being overwhelmed | :10:45. | :10:53. | |
The Department of Health in England said it expected NHS bosses to make | :10:54. | :10:58. | |
sure an extra billion pounds each year reached frontline mental health | :10:59. | :11:01. | |
Meanwhile, a BBC Radio 5 Live investigation has found a 16% rise | :11:02. | :11:12. | |
in ambulance callouts to people suffering from suspected mental | :11:13. | :11:14. | |
health problems, adding to the signs the pressure is building | :11:15. | :11:16. | |
A US hospital is offering to ship an experimental drug to the UK | :11:17. | :11:27. | |
to help treat terminally-ill Charlie Gard. | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
The hospital in New York also offered to admit | :11:33. | :11:34. | |
the 11-month-old if "legal hurdles" can be cleared. | :11:35. | :11:37. | |
Charlie's parents are at the centre of a lengthy | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
legal battle with doctors at London's Great Ormond Street | :11:42. | :11:43. | |
Hospital, who say the treatment would not help the boy. | :11:44. | :11:46. | |
A new gallery will open in David Hockney's hometown | :11:47. | :11:48. | |
of Bradford today - to coincide with his 80th | :11:49. | :11:50. | |
The David Hockney Gallery, at Cartwright Hall, houses | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
the largest public collection of his early artworks | :11:55. | :11:55. | |
The display also includes family photos and previously unseen footage | :11:56. | :12:03. | |
David Dimbleby is used to dealing with difficult situations | :12:04. | :12:14. | |
as the host of Question Time, but he was left a little red-faced | :12:15. | :12:17. | |
last night when his alarm on his mobile interrupted | :12:18. | :12:19. | |
the programme to tell him it was 'time for bed'. | :12:20. | :12:31. | |
You put a fork in the road and we opted for | :12:32. | :12:34. | |
Now we're in this situation, we're all going down that | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
This is my stopwatch saying it's bedtime. | :12:39. | :12:40. | |
Mine just says, its breakfast time. Let's catch up with the sport with | :12:41. | :12:57. | |
Jess. Johanna Konta and Andy Murray lead | :12:58. | :12:59. | |
British hopes at Wimbledon today as they take to the court | :13:00. | :13:02. | |
in the third round. Konta, who is now the favourite | :13:03. | :13:04. | |
with some bookmakers, plays Maria Sakkari of Greece | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
and defending champion Murray plays Italy's Fabio | :13:09. | :13:11. | |
Fognini on Centre Court. Heather Watson is up against former | :13:12. | :13:13. | |
world number one Victoria Azarenka. Roger Federer is that he couldn't | :13:14. | :13:22. | |
get rid of the nerves early in his match but still made it through in | :13:23. | :13:28. | |
straight sets. In his first match as England captain, Joe Root hit 184 | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
not out against South Africa in the opening test at Lord's. | :13:33. | :13:35. | |
After a shaky start, England closed the day | :13:36. | :13:37. | |
Play gets back underway at 11 o'clock. | :13:38. | :13:39. | |
And Chris Froome is still wearing the yellow jersey | :13:40. | :13:42. | |
after what he described as one of the most relaxing days he'd ever | :13:43. | :13:45. | |
had on the Tour de France - he's 12 seconds ahead | :13:46. | :13:47. | |
After nearly 6 months in the White House, the time has | :13:48. | :14:07. | |
finally come for Donald Trump to meet the power that some say | :14:08. | :14:10. | |
Vladamir Putin will meet the President for the first time | :14:11. | :14:14. | |
in person at the sidelines of the G20 summit in Hamburg. | :14:15. | :14:16. | |
It is being billed as the showdown at the time surrounded by | :14:17. | :14:22. | |
controversy with sanctions against Russia, the role of Nato and the | :14:23. | :14:24. | |
conflict in Syria likely to be high on the agenda. | :14:25. | :14:26. | |
Just yesterday, Trump stoked the fire when he urged Russia | :14:27. | :14:29. | |
to "cease its destabilizing activities in Ukraine | :14:30. | :14:31. | |
and its support for hostile regimes elsewhere." | :14:32. | :14:32. | |
But how do the two superpowers match up? | :14:33. | :14:41. | |
When the leaders of the world's two biggest superpowers, | :14:42. | :14:43. | |
the United States and Russia, meet, it's always a big occasion. | :14:44. | :14:51. | |
But today's meeting, the first between Donald Trump | :14:52. | :14:53. | |
and Vladimir Putin, has added significance. | :14:54. | :14:55. | |
In the lead-up to the US election, Donald Trump spoke very | :14:56. | :14:58. | |
If Putin likes Donald Trump, I consider that an asset, | :14:59. | :15:01. | |
But since he became President, their relationship has been | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
controversial, with claims of Russian interference | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
in the election process that could have helped him win. | :15:10. | :15:15. | |
In terms of political experience, Putin's 13 years in the top job over | :15:16. | :15:21. | |
two spells easily outweighs Trump's six months in office. | :15:22. | :15:26. | |
But with 326 million citizens living in the US, | :15:27. | :15:30. | |
compared to 142 million in Russia, Donald Trump is the leader | :15:31. | :15:33. | |
In terms of how these people see their president, | :15:34. | :15:38. | |
Vladimir Putin is much more popular on paper. | :15:39. | :15:41. | |
Over 80% of Russians say they support him. | :15:42. | :15:46. | |
Fewer than 40% of Americans approve of Donald Trump. | :15:47. | :15:49. | |
When it comes to controversy, you don't get much bigger | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
Donald Trump is still facing calls to be removed as president | :15:54. | :16:03. | |
as investigators continue to probe those alleged links to Russia. | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
For Vladimir Putin, the biggest controversy in recent years came | :16:08. | :16:10. | |
when Russia annexed the Crimea from Ukraine in 2014. | :16:11. | :16:12. | |
The actions were met with widespread condemnation, | :16:13. | :16:14. | |
and the country was hit by international sanctions, | :16:15. | :16:16. | |
So, where do the pair agree and disagree? | :16:17. | :16:23. | |
One possible area of disagreement is Syria. | :16:24. | :16:27. | |
Vladimir Putin has staunchly defended Syrian | :16:28. | :16:32. | |
But after the Syrian government launched a chemical attack | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
on its own people in April, Trump called the actions | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
an affront to humanity, and said his views towards Assad | :16:41. | :16:42. | |
In recent days, however, the US has said it is willing | :16:43. | :16:48. | |
to cooperate with Russia on the Syrian conflict. | :16:49. | :16:53. | |
The two countries do have a common goal of wanting to eradicate | :16:54. | :16:56. | |
Another point of contention could be Crimea. | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
In a visit to Warsaw this week, Mr Trump said the US was working | :17:02. | :17:04. | |
with Poland in response to what he called Russia's | :17:05. | :17:06. | |
President Trump has warned that North Korea could face some severe | :17:07. | :17:13. | |
consequences after its test of an intercontinental | :17:14. | :17:15. | |
Russia has said it opposes the use of military force. | :17:16. | :17:23. | |
No one is sure what topics will be brought up when the two | :17:24. | :17:26. | |
meet, or if there'll be any significant outcomes. | :17:27. | :17:35. | |
But it will certainly give the two presidents an opportunity | :17:36. | :17:37. | |
We can talk to Sir Andrew Wood, former British ambassador to Moscow | :17:38. | :17:47. | |
under John major and Tony Blair, also with us Professor Rosemary | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
Hollis from city University, a lecture in international politics | :17:53. | :17:55. | |
and Leslie Vinjamuri, from Chatham House. The seasoned, wily politician | :17:56. | :18:00. | |
meets the businessman who shoots from the hip, what do you think Sir | :18:01. | :18:05. | |
Andrew. All eyes on this showdown, as it is being built. I don't think | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
it is a showdown. They will be trying to size each other up | :18:11. | :18:16. | |
obviously. I imagine Putin will try to flatter Trump, who is susceptible | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
to that kind of thing. At the same time currently in terms of politics | :18:22. | :18:24. | |
they do not have anything directly in common. Where they go over | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
Ukraine will be important. As your commentator noted, over Syria as | :18:30. | :18:34. | |
well. You have lots of experience of this sort of thing, these first | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
meetings and how important they are and what happens behind the scenes | :18:39. | :18:42. | |
in preparation for them. You've already said that this is the attack | :18:43. | :18:52. | |
Putin will take, will they get down to the nitty-gritty of policy or | :18:53. | :18:55. | |
will this be about this being the first time they get to eyeball each | :18:56. | :18:59. | |
other and how they get a personal dynamic. Every and coming US | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
president has wanted a new and better relationship with Russia and | :19:04. | :19:10. | |
that was a campaign statement of the current president. There is some | :19:11. | :19:15. | |
difference between what he says when he is, as it were, on public display | :19:16. | :19:19. | |
as president and what he says in private. And there are stories, I do | :19:20. | :19:29. | |
not know if they are true, that the United States would like to find | :19:30. | :19:36. | |
some way to refresh a search for some sort of solution in Ukraine. | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
That is dangerous because Russia is not moving, it is reinforcing its | :19:42. | :19:48. | |
position. Leslie Vinjamuri, in the election coming it looked like this | :19:49. | :19:52. | |
might be a bromance of some sort, things have changed, how mindful | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
will Mr Trump B of the audience at home in the USA. It's interesting | :19:57. | :20:01. | |
because Donald Trump came in wanting to reset the relationship with | :20:02. | :20:07. | |
Russia, it is what every American president has wanted to do for a | :20:08. | :20:11. | |
long time and hasn't succeeded but Donald Trump has had the specific | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
thing about Putin who changed this entire relationship by virtue of the | :20:17. | :20:19. | |
connection he thought he could form with Putin. As we have seen he has | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
been tremendously constrained in even thinking about this because of | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
the overwhelming focus within the United States Army investigations, | :20:29. | :20:35. | |
first off Roger's cyber attacks and disinformation campaigns but now the | :20:36. | :20:40. | |
big distraction for Trump is whether or not he and his campaign team and | :20:41. | :20:44. | |
even potentially some members of the White House have assisted Russia in | :20:45. | :20:48. | |
this campaign. This is taking up a tremendous amount of energy. There | :20:49. | :20:54. | |
is an entire set of staff in the White House dedicated to responding | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
to those requests. So any notion of recasting this relationship is | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
deeply constrained by this. And one of the key questions in this meeting | :21:04. | :21:07. | |
will be whether or not that sort of question is put on the table or | :21:08. | :21:13. | |
whether it is cut to the side. Regardless of what Trump's aims | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
might be he is fundamentally constrained in his ability to change | :21:18. | :21:20. | |
things because of the politics at home. Rosemary, things have changed | :21:21. | :21:27. | |
a lot in a short period. Just yesterday when Donald Trump talked | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
about Russia is being a destabilising force, how do you see | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
the dynamic. He made that speech because he was in Poland and had a | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
lot in common with his Polish hosts in terms of how he sees the world. | :21:41. | :21:47. | |
Or ethnic Christian of nationalism, not the "We stand for democracy and | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
human rights close Mac version of the Western identity. There are two | :21:52. | :21:59. | |
interpretations of what he said yesterday. One was that he was quite | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
soft in his critique of the Russian posture and one is that this is the | :22:04. | :22:07. | |
new development and he's actually being tough. I would suggest that | :22:08. | :22:11. | |
when he goes into the meeting with Putin he will be doing what he has | :22:12. | :22:14. | |
been doing with a number of otherworldly dust that the Hazmat, | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
including the president of China, that he will be weighing up, what | :22:20. | :22:26. | |
does this person to form my stature in the world. -- what does he do for | :22:27. | :22:36. | |
my stature in the world. And my best saying that I have persuaded him to | :22:37. | :22:39. | |
work with me on this problem and therefore it will get solved? You | :22:40. | :22:48. | |
have to huge egos... Or is he a worthy opponent. In his expressions | :22:49. | :22:51. | |
of admiration for Putin before he was elected, that does suggest that | :22:52. | :22:57. | |
he is weighing people at in terms of his criteria for what good | :22:58. | :23:03. | |
leadership qualities. Not necessarily determined to work | :23:04. | :23:09. | |
either with them or against them. I think in addition to that in Putin | :23:10. | :23:12. | |
he will find a difficult person to deal with because Putin has a | :23:13. | :23:16. | |
long-term ability to follow a course. The I am not sure that Trump | :23:17. | :23:24. | |
house. Survey on different wavelengths in how they see their | :23:25. | :23:28. | |
roles in the world. I think if he thinks he's got a personal | :23:29. | :23:31. | |
relationship with Putin at the end of this he is fooling himself. Is | :23:32. | :23:37. | |
that just not possible, in the end it just comes down to self interest? | :23:38. | :23:45. | |
For Putin, no question about it. Trump's self interest is different | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
because he's in a different country. Trump has to think about Congress | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
and the media, which basically Putin does not have to. Leslie, what is | :23:54. | :23:58. | |
the best that Trump can come away with today? Because people around | :23:59. | :24:03. | |
him will be thinking about the meeting in May with Sergey Lavrov | :24:04. | :24:06. | |
and the Russian ambassador, and there were pictures that looked | :24:07. | :24:12. | |
like, the mood music was not in favour of Donald Trump and that | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
played very badly with the US media. Because that meeting took place at | :24:18. | :24:22. | |
one of the more tense periods of the ongoing investigations, his | :24:23. | :24:27. | |
motivations for firing former FBI director James Comey. There are a | :24:28. | :24:34. | |
lot of things going on at this G20 in part because of the recent launch | :24:35. | :24:37. | |
of a long-range missile by North Korea. So now there are questions of | :24:38. | :24:43. | |
what is happening and Trump won't want to be outside that but will | :24:44. | :24:46. | |
have this broader question of North Korea in mind. That is different | :24:47. | :24:49. | |
from what he thought he would be dealing with energy 20. But I think | :24:50. | :24:56. | |
what Professor Rosemary Hollis said is right, the optics matter a lot, | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
will he come out of this looking like a strong president, holding a | :25:02. | :25:06. | |
line on Russia, but also forming a strong relationship and creating | :25:07. | :25:10. | |
that opportunity that he might be the one to turn things around. Yet | :25:11. | :25:15. | |
he is also worried now about how his relationship with other European | :25:16. | :25:18. | |
partners will look because they did not go well on his first trip. This | :25:19. | :25:23. | |
LG 20 is a contest, not only for which country will be the next | :25:24. | :25:25. | |
global leader but which set of countries. We've seen lots of | :25:26. | :25:31. | |
countries having bilateral meetings, the president of China and the | :25:32. | :25:37. | |
German Chancellor, it is not clear who is at the forefront, and the | :25:38. | :25:40. | |
interesting thing is that the United States doesn't seem to be. So will | :25:41. | :25:47. | |
this meeting take centre stage and be as pivotal as we think it should | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
be or will it just be one of the many things that happens at the T20? | :25:52. | :25:55. | |
Just one more interesting aspect of where we are, everything seems so | :25:56. | :26:03. | |
much more fractured. Everybody's national interests are more defined | :26:04. | :26:09. | |
than at any time previously. I don't know if there are four or five | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
competing agendas on the table at this G20. If you take the | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
protesters, so vocal up to now, they are against globalisation. | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
Technically so is Trump but the protesters are also against him. So | :26:24. | :26:25. | |
there are two visions of globalisation. Under discussion. Two | :26:26. | :26:31. | |
visions of the West under discussion. A yes or no on climate | :26:32. | :26:40. | |
change up for grabs. Then if you take the individual problems, | :26:41. | :26:45. | |
Ukraine has been mentioned, if you look at Syria, there, I think, the | :26:46. | :26:53. | |
offence taken by the Russians over the US decision to send missiles in | :26:54. | :27:00. | |
response to the use of chemical weapons by President Assad is | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
because it was interference in a predominantly Russian game. They do | :27:06. | :27:13. | |
share the objective of getting rid of Islamist terrorists of the nature | :27:14. | :27:19. | |
of Isis, anywhere. But because that campaign against Isis in both Iraq | :27:20. | :27:24. | |
and Syria is reaching a turning point where they are no longer in | :27:25. | :27:29. | |
control of big cities or territory, they have melted into the landscape, | :27:30. | :27:35. | |
there is a battle looming because the Russians on the ground, the | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
uranium and Iranians proxies are on the ground, and they are both in a | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
much better position to dictate what happens after Isis than the | :27:46. | :27:51. | |
Americans. Just briefly, Sir Andrew, obviously very important and | :27:52. | :27:54. | |
difficult issues on the agenda for all the G20 leaders yet as we have | :27:55. | :27:58. | |
said we are all interested to see how this meeting between Trump and | :27:59. | :28:03. | |
Putin plays out. You have said how Putin will play it, you are a | :28:04. | :28:08. | |
diplomat, what advice would you give Campton back on how to handle him. | :28:09. | :28:15. | |
Just don't rush. The analogy that occurs to me, listening to is | :28:16. | :28:18. | |
talking, is the analogy of a group of dogs meeting in the park. Finding | :28:19. | :28:24. | |
or the others are and what they like and who will be top dog. I think | :28:25. | :28:28. | |
there is something in that. I don't know how effective the G20 is as an | :28:29. | :28:32. | |
organisation and what it is now supposed to represent Anichebe. It | :28:33. | :28:39. | |
is great to talk to you all. -- to represent and achieve. Thank you | :28:40. | :28:45. | |
all. Let us no your thoughts on that as well. | :28:46. | :28:47. | |
The food delivery firm Deliveroo has said it will pay sickness and injury | :28:48. | :28:50. | |
benefits to its 15,000 riders in the UK if the law is changed. | :28:51. | :28:53. | |
In a submission to the government's review of the "on-demand" | :28:54. | :28:56. | |
economy seen by the BBC, the firm says that at present | :28:57. | :28:58. | |
the law prevents it from offering enhanced rights because it | :28:59. | :29:01. | |
classifies its riders as self-employed. | :29:02. | :29:02. | |
Deliveroo says it uses that classification to provide its riders | :29:03. | :29:04. | |
with the flexibility to work when they want. | :29:05. | :29:13. | |
Let's go to our Business News reporter Theo Leggett. | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
It is a complex issue, one being looked at by the government in the | :29:19. | :29:24. | |
context of the modern economy. What is Deliveroo saying that it wants to | :29:25. | :29:30. | |
do. Deliveroo says it wants to offer its riders, cyclists, Mo bed riders, | :29:31. | :29:34. | |
certain employment rights like holiday pay and sickness pay. At the | :29:35. | :29:39. | |
moment, it doesn't do that. -- Mo paired riders. Deliveroo considers | :29:40. | :29:45. | |
itself a platform, it has riders of an app which will offer them a job | :29:46. | :29:49. | |
to do and if they wanted they will accept it. Those workers are paid by | :29:50. | :29:54. | |
the job, not by the hour, they are not eligible for the minimum wage | :29:55. | :29:57. | |
and they are not eligible for these other benefits and that's because | :29:58. | :30:01. | |
under British employment law at the moment they are considered to be | :30:02. | :30:05. | |
self-employed. What is likely to happen because unemployment review | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
is underway. Some magic formalin going to review - and employment | :30:10. | :30:16. | |
review is underway. Is a magic formula going to emerge. UK | :30:17. | :30:20. | |
employment law has not caught up with the times. At the moment people | :30:21. | :30:26. | |
are classified as either self-employed, workers or employees. | :30:27. | :30:29. | |
As you go up the scaly become eligible for more benefits yet lacks | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
flexible. Delivery workers are free to take jobs from other companies if | :30:34. | :30:37. | |
they want. They can work when they want, they don't have to do set | :30:38. | :30:41. | |
shifts. If they became workers, Leslie Vinjamuri says they might | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
have to do some of that. So the idea of the review is to look at the | :30:47. | :30:49. | |
scope of employment law and see if it can be made more flexible to cope | :30:50. | :30:53. | |
with people who work for companies like Deliveroo and other so-called | :30:54. | :30:57. | |
geek economy companies about them being exploited. Thank you very | :30:58. | :30:58. | |
much. Still to come, pressing pause on the | :30:59. | :31:03. | |
benefit system, the new Universal Credit system could be halted until | :31:04. | :31:09. | |
problems with its roll-out are sorted, that's what critics of the | :31:10. | :31:13. | |
system wants to happen. A change to the charts. The official charts | :31:14. | :31:17. | |
Company is changing the rules in order to support new and emerging | :31:18. | :31:22. | |
artists. It comes after Ed Sheeran had 16 of the top 20 hits at one | :31:23. | :31:25. | |
stage. Let us know what you think about | :31:26. | :31:36. | |
that. Tight security is in place | :31:37. | :31:43. | |
in the German city of Hamburg for the start of the G-20 summit, | :31:44. | :31:46. | |
after a night of violent clashes between riot police | :31:47. | :31:49. | |
and anti-capitalist protesters. Items on the agenda | :31:50. | :31:52. | |
for will be trade, climate The American and Russian presidents | :31:53. | :31:54. | |
will also meet for the first time and Theresa May will call on world | :31:55. | :31:58. | |
leaders to work together to cut off The senior judge who will lead | :31:59. | :32:02. | |
the Grenfell Tower Public Inquiry has faced angry questions | :32:03. | :32:09. | |
from survivors of the fire and local residents at a public | :32:10. | :32:12. | |
meeting last night. Sir Martin Moore-Bick has been | :32:13. | :32:14. | |
accused of ignoring calls for him to consider the social issues | :32:15. | :32:34. | |
which affect public housing - Citizens advice is calling on | :32:35. | :32:43. | |
ministers to stop the roll-out of the new welfare benefit Universal | :32:44. | :32:47. | |
Credit. The charity says problems with the benefit are forcing people | :32:48. | :32:51. | |
into debt and say tens of thousands of people will face financial | :32:52. | :32:54. | |
hardship unless improvements are made. Ministers insist the benefit | :32:55. | :32:55. | |
is working. The World Health Organisation says | :32:56. | :32:58. | |
gonorrhoea is getting much harder to treat - | :32:59. | :33:00. | |
and it's essential that research is carried out to find | :33:01. | :33:02. | |
new drugs and a vaccine. A study by the WHO in 77 countries | :33:03. | :33:05. | |
suggests the sexually transmitted infection - | :33:06. | :33:07. | |
which can cause infertility - is rapidly evolving | :33:08. | :33:09. | |
resistance to antibiotics. They estimate that 78 million | :33:10. | :33:18. | |
people pick up the disease The organisation representing NHS | :33:19. | :33:29. | |
trusts in England says: mental health services are being | :33:30. | :33:32. | |
overwhelmed because a rapidly rising demand. A survey by NHS providers | :33:33. | :33:37. | |
also found more than three quarters of mental health trusts think extra | :33:38. | :33:39. | |
money pledged at national level isn't getting through. The | :33:40. | :33:44. | |
Department of Health says there is a commitment to seeing mental health | :33:45. | :33:45. | |
services improve. In the gallery will open in David | :33:46. | :33:53. | |
Hockney's hometown of Bradford today to coincide with his 80th birthday | :33:54. | :33:54. | |
this week. The David Hockney Gallery, | :33:55. | :33:59. | |
at Cartwright Hall, houses the largest public collection | :34:00. | :34:01. | |
of his early artworks The display also includes family | :34:02. | :34:03. | |
photos and previously unseen footage That's a summary of the latest BBC | :34:04. | :34:07. | |
News - more at 10am. It's four years since | :34:08. | :34:14. | |
the government began its roll out of Universal Credit - | :34:15. | :34:17. | |
a new system which would combine all benefits into one payment, | :34:18. | :34:19. | |
which the government argued But today the Citizens Advice Bureau | :34:20. | :34:21. | |
today has called for the roll out to be put on hold until problems | :34:22. | :34:30. | |
with it were fixed. They say a survey of 800 people | :34:31. | :34:35. | |
who have contacted they to seeking help found that more than a third | :34:36. | :34:38. | |
had waited more than the six weeks for any money to come through, | :34:39. | :34:41. | |
and more than half had to borrow money while waiting | :34:42. | :34:44. | |
for their first payment. In our audience debate before | :34:45. | :34:51. | |
the election in May, Conservative MP Dominic Raab | :34:52. | :34:54. | |
referenced these problems when he admitted some people | :34:55. | :34:56. | |
were using food banks while they were waiting | :34:57. | :34:58. | |
for their money to come through. In terms of the food bank issue, | :34:59. | :35:01. | |
and I've studied the Trussell Trust data, what they tend to find | :35:02. | :35:04. | |
is the typical user of food banks is not someone that's | :35:05. | :35:07. | |
languishing in poverty, it's someone that has a cash flow | :35:08. | :35:09. | |
problem episodically... That is what the Trussell | :35:10. | :35:11. | |
Trust data says. What we've done, because a lot | :35:12. | :35:16. | |
of people on low and middle incomes are feeling the pinch is we've taken | :35:17. | :35:24. | |
4 million of the lowest paid out The average basic rate tax | :35:25. | :35:28. | |
there keeps ?1000 each year more And we've introduced | :35:29. | :35:35. | |
the national living wage, and we have tried to make sure we've | :35:36. | :35:46. | |
got the economy that creates the jobs and the wages, | :35:47. | :35:49. | |
and make sure people keep more We can speak now to Neil Coyle, | :35:50. | :35:51. | |
Labour MP for Bermondsey and Old Southwark, who's also | :35:52. | :35:55. | |
a member of the Work Constituency is one of the areas | :35:56. | :36:01. | |
where the scheme is being rolled out at the moment. | :36:02. | :36:02. | |
Maria Amos, who's in Liverpool, was waiting 6 weeks for universal | :36:03. | :36:06. | |
David Swann, who's in Bristol, has had incorrect universal credit | :36:07. | :36:09. | |
Thank you all for joining us. Let's come straight to you, Maria, you had | :36:10. | :36:20. | |
to wait six weeks for the payment could tell us what happened. Hello, | :36:21. | :36:26. | |
yes, I had to wait six weeks. I'd come out of work and had to go back | :36:27. | :36:31. | |
to sign-on. I was told there was a weak's grace which I didn't | :36:32. | :36:34. | |
understand, then it was like six weeks before I got any money at all. | :36:35. | :36:40. | |
I live on my own and I literally had no money, no gas, no electric, no | :36:41. | :36:46. | |
food. It affected my mental health and it affected my weight. It was | :36:47. | :36:53. | |
just the wait for it, I didn't understand why I had to wait so | :36:54. | :36:59. | |
long. How did you manage in that time? We're hearing Dominic Raab say | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
people have had to use food banks while waiting for money to come | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
through, what did you do? Well I, believe it or not, went so low, so | :37:08. | :37:16. | |
down I wanted to end my life. If rent called me an ambulance and I | :37:17. | :37:20. | |
was taken to Arrow Park where I was introduced to doctors who put me on | :37:21. | :37:27. | |
tablets for me to cope. Then I was introduced to the food banks to use | :37:28. | :37:31. | |
the food bank. My local church helped me also. And in those six | :37:32. | :37:39. | |
weeks when you were at rock bottom because you weren't getting any | :37:40. | :37:43. | |
money, were you having any conversations with people trying... | :37:44. | :37:51. | |
What was being done to sort it out from your perspective, of having to | :37:52. | :37:54. | |
chase, and where you getting anything from the people in a | :37:55. | :38:00. | |
position to rectify it? I got absolutely no help at all for | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
anyone, I didn't know where to turn, I literally had nothing for six | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
weeks. I lost so much weight, I went down to under six stone, I had | :38:10. | :38:13. | |
nothing to eat, nothing, all I had was water from my tap, literally. | :38:14. | :38:19. | |
But the people I was introduced to that slowly helped me through the | :38:20. | :38:24. | |
trust will trust, the food banks, slowly but surely. Calls through to | :38:25. | :38:33. | |
the service to get the payment installed, what was your | :38:34. | :38:37. | |
communication? There was no communication, I was told there was | :38:38. | :38:40. | |
nothing they could do and I had to wait, I try to explain the situation | :38:41. | :38:44. | |
to them. I was told there was nothing they could do, I just had to | :38:45. | :38:48. | |
wait until I was sorted out. Six weeks, which is a long time. David, | :38:49. | :38:55. | |
what was your situation? You were fighting for over a year. Yes, they | :38:56. | :39:02. | |
made a mistake with my Universal Credit right from the start. Whilst | :39:03. | :39:10. | |
I was waiting for Universal Credit I had an overlap payment of employment | :39:11. | :39:13. | |
support allowance with the benefit I was on before. When I had my first | :39:14. | :39:22. | |
Universal Credit payment in July, they took ?526 off me, which was the | :39:23. | :39:32. | |
amount of ESA I had had. Then the next month they tried to take it | :39:33. | :39:37. | |
again. And the next month again. The next month again. The next month | :39:38. | :39:43. | |
again. Every month I have had to get on that phone and fight to get my | :39:44. | :39:49. | |
money back. Fight to get somebody to listen to what I'm telling them. | :39:50. | :39:52. | |
Because these operators are working of scripts and they can do nothing | :39:53. | :40:00. | |
apart from e-mail other members of the team. What was your financial | :40:01. | :40:07. | |
situation during that time? Was it been put right each time but then | :40:08. | :40:13. | |
being reset? -- being put right. I'll do it matter where you getting | :40:14. | :40:17. | |
into worse problems financially? They would refund the money usually | :40:18. | :40:25. | |
within 24 hours. Which wasn't such a problem. My worry every month was | :40:26. | :40:29. | |
that it would take longer than that. I have direct debits, quite a | :40:30. | :40:35. | |
considerable amount, now that we have to pay rent ourselves out of | :40:36. | :40:40. | |
Universal Credit. The money I was left wouldn't have met my direct | :40:41. | :40:46. | |
debits and that was causing the strain and stress. You know, I | :40:47. | :40:52. | |
didn't know if the money would be in my bank on time to meet these | :40:53. | :40:57. | |
debits. Which caused me a lot of stress. Neil, people are having | :40:58. | :41:07. | |
difficulty, clearly. We've got two here, and citizens advice says it's | :41:08. | :41:10. | |
come across many more. The Department for Work and Pensions | :41:11. | :41:15. | |
says in response to the sort of big picture, and what the citizens | :41:16. | :41:20. | |
advice group is saying, the evidence they've been looking at is based on | :41:21. | :41:25. | |
a group of self selecting people. It isn't representative of half a | :41:26. | :41:28. | |
million people claiming Universal Credit. They say 82% of Universal | :41:29. | :41:33. | |
Credit customers have reported they are satisfied or very satisfied with | :41:34. | :41:40. | |
the service. Do you think this is small, number of people? Absolutely | :41:41. | :41:43. | |
not, we shouldn't forget when Universal Credit was voted for by | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
the coalition and designed by Iain Duncan Smith it was designed to cut | :41:48. | :41:51. | |
support, to change the payment system, to a delayed approach. Maria | :41:52. | :41:56. | |
got her payment within six weeks. It's faster than average. The | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
average the Department for Work and Pensions talk about is 12 weeks. In | :42:01. | :42:09. | |
the test area, we've had extra support wrapping around. We've seen | :42:10. | :42:15. | |
delays of 12 weeks. Why do you think these delays are so long? Partly a | :42:16. | :42:21. | |
deliberate system to pay four weeks in arrears rather than upfront which | :42:22. | :42:25. | |
isn't what most people need. Four weeks in arrears, but in some | :42:26. | :42:33. | |
situations... 12 weeks. If you're renting privately, with many housing | :42:34. | :42:35. | |
associations, that will automatically trigger your eviction | :42:36. | :42:38. | |
notification because you're not paying rent on time. Is its teething | :42:39. | :42:47. | |
problems with the system? The four weeks will be built into the system. | :42:48. | :42:52. | |
If it is a system in arrears. The intention with the introduction, the | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
government says, was to simplify the benefits system, replacing six means | :42:58. | :43:00. | |
tested benefits and tax credits with one benefit. The idea ultimately is | :43:01. | :43:06. | |
that this can be balanced reasonably when somebody starts work. In the | :43:07. | :43:12. | |
end is it a system that is a good one if it works? It was designed, | :43:13. | :43:16. | |
nobody would object to simplifying the system, but it was also designed | :43:17. | :43:19. | |
to knock out some of the additional support many disabled people need. | :43:20. | :43:23. | |
Severe disability allowance, is completely disappears under | :43:24. | :43:28. | |
Universal Credit. When I was working in disability Alliance, worked with | :43:29. | :43:32. | |
citizens advice and the Children's Society, disabled people, children | :43:33. | :43:37. | |
of disabled parents, you know, disabled people in work, were all | :43:38. | :43:40. | |
designed to lose out under Universal Credit. There has been extra | :43:41. | :43:47. | |
wraparound support. There is a great local housing organisation called | :43:48. | :43:51. | |
let the market, it is a mutual, it provides extra support to people who | :43:52. | :43:55. | |
live in its homes. The average of people who aren't on Universal | :43:56. | :44:00. | |
Credit, they are in credit by about ?10 each. Of the 80 plus one | :44:01. | :44:05. | |
Universal Credit, the average arrears are ?730. This is a | :44:06. | :44:09. | |
deliberate system to push some people into difficulties. It was | :44:10. | :44:14. | |
wholly designed to put more pressure on individuals. Maria, where are you | :44:15. | :44:21. | |
with your financial situation now that the benefit is working? You | :44:22. | :44:25. | |
have the issues at the beginning. As it settled now? How does it compare | :44:26. | :44:31. | |
with how things were like before? I now receive ?52 a week off, that's | :44:32. | :44:39. | |
all I'm entitled to. They take it out of my money. I'm only ?52 a week | :44:40. | :44:43. | |
is what they give me to live on. I've been accepted for hip now which | :44:44. | :44:50. | |
helps quite a lot. Are you getting less money overall? -- I'm getting | :44:51. | :44:59. | |
PIP. I've always worked, this is the first time with the Universal | :45:00. | :45:03. | |
Credit. I literally get ?52 a week of them, that's still what I get | :45:04. | :45:10. | |
now. I only get ?52 a week of them. How does it compare with where you | :45:11. | :45:17. | |
were before? This system, in my view, is terrible. I'm disabled, | :45:18. | :45:22. | |
I've got multiple sclerosis and I'm in a wheelchair. This Universal | :45:23. | :45:28. | |
Credit has cost me nearly ?200 a month worse off than what I was | :45:29. | :45:34. | |
before. How are you making up for the shortfall? I'm not, we're just | :45:35. | :45:39. | |
living more frugally than we were before. I'm married, you know, so we | :45:40. | :45:47. | |
make our money stretch and last. I need extra bits of money for care. | :45:48. | :45:53. | |
And that the council won't pay for. I'm really struggling to get that | :45:54. | :45:59. | |
care that I need. What are the changes you have to make as a result | :46:00. | :46:07. | |
of that drop of ?200 a month? We had a household cleaner come in and help | :46:08. | :46:14. | |
my wife with cleaning, help her do certain chores for me. And now we | :46:15. | :46:19. | |
can't afford to do that. So it's all on my wife, who is now working very | :46:20. | :46:26. | |
hard to cover the costs of the extra care that I need. | :46:27. | :46:32. | |
Within the work and pensions committee, how much is this being | :46:33. | :46:38. | |
looked at? Is the prospect of a change, it is on a roll-out | :46:39. | :46:42. | |
programme from October and will be rolled out more quickly. In the last | :46:43. | :46:46. | |
parliament the committee did look at this and some of the problems you've | :46:47. | :46:49. | |
heard about this morning. There are some ways to protect people from | :46:50. | :46:54. | |
falling into arrears and debt. It isn't a coincidence that food bank | :46:55. | :46:59. | |
use and poverty has risen in line with the roll-out welfare policies | :47:00. | :47:03. | |
of the coalition. One solution the committee pointed out was that under | :47:04. | :47:07. | |
Universal Credit, and fans payments that can be paid to people so the | :47:08. | :47:12. | |
money is paid quicker and sometimes directly to a landlord rather than | :47:13. | :47:16. | |
an individual, sometimes you have a severe learning disability and you | :47:17. | :47:20. | |
can't manage it it might be more appropriate to go to the landlord. | :47:21. | :47:24. | |
Sometimes the DWP doesn't want to use those agreements in as many | :47:25. | :47:28. | |
cases as warranted so they are sitting on them rather than rolling | :47:29. | :47:32. | |
them out. A quick thought on council tax, it has been an easy for Maria. | :47:33. | :47:37. | |
We've talked about it on the programme before, whether councils | :47:38. | :47:40. | |
should be taking council tax when people on benefit have effectively | :47:41. | :47:45. | |
had to get into debt with council tax because of benefits not coming | :47:46. | :47:50. | |
through. Unsympathetic to councils like mine which have lost 40% of | :47:51. | :47:53. | |
their central government funding and each one will have a different | :47:54. | :47:58. | |
system for hardship funds and discretionary housing payments, it | :47:59. | :48:01. | |
might be a temporary period out of work rather than a permanent one. | :48:02. | :48:06. | |
Some councils will have discretionary support available. | :48:07. | :48:10. | |
Thank you all very much. Neal, David, and Maria, thank you. Let us | :48:11. | :48:13. | |
know your experiences on that. After the chaotic response | :48:14. | :48:17. | |
to the Grenfell Tower fire, local residents say they fear | :48:18. | :48:20. | |
the inquiry into the disaster We'll speak to a member | :48:21. | :48:23. | |
of the Grenfell Action Group for their opinion on the appointment | :48:24. | :48:30. | |
of the retired judge Singer Ed Sheeran broke multiple | :48:31. | :48:33. | |
records when he released his last And he isn't the only artist who's | :48:34. | :48:42. | |
recently been dominating UK music - with the likes of Drake, | :48:43. | :48:48. | |
Stormzy, Kendrick Lamar and The Weeknd all having | :48:49. | :48:50. | |
multiple tracks in the chart But from today no artist | :48:51. | :48:52. | |
will be allowed to have more than three songs | :48:53. | :48:59. | |
in the Official Singles The Official Charts Company say | :49:00. | :49:01. | |
they've changed the rules because they want the chart to be | :49:02. | :49:05. | |
a "showcase for hit singles not album tracks" - | :49:06. | :49:08. | |
and they want to continue Let's now talk to Ben Beaumont | :49:09. | :49:10. | |
Thomas, who is the music editor of the Guardian newspaper, | :49:11. | :49:18. | |
and Edward Adoo, Thank you both for coming in. What | :49:19. | :49:30. | |
do you think, Ben, is it a good idea to artificially manage what is going | :49:31. | :49:37. | |
to end up in the top charts? Yes, it is an artificial gerrymandering of | :49:38. | :49:40. | |
the charts. Previously in the example that you gave of Ed Sheeran | :49:41. | :49:45. | |
having 16 songs in the top 20, I thought this was a great moment of | :49:46. | :49:49. | |
democracy for British music. It meant that people were expressing | :49:50. | :49:54. | |
themselves through the download is that they bought on iTunes and the | :49:55. | :49:58. | |
songs they were streaming on Spotify and other streaming services. They | :49:59. | :50:03. | |
were voting with their feet. It was a very quantified expression of just | :50:04. | :50:12. | |
how much Ed Sheeran was adored at that point. And now with this new | :50:13. | :50:17. | |
rule his chart record will be immortalised for eternity. And now | :50:18. | :50:20. | |
we will not get such a sense of excitement about these incredibly | :50:21. | :50:26. | |
popular artists. Edward, if it is what people are listening to is not | :50:27. | :50:30. | |
right that this is what the charts reflect? It's not so much about what | :50:31. | :50:36. | |
people are listening to, if someone has the entire album in the chart, | :50:37. | :50:40. | |
what's the point of it... Of people are listening to it they are the | :50:41. | :50:45. | |
most listened to tracks! I don't see the point. Back in the day when he | :50:46. | :50:49. | |
had the process of buying singles from your local record shop, some | :50:50. | :50:54. | |
tracks you could only get on import before downloading came through. But | :50:55. | :51:02. | |
what gets me is the whole point of the artists who are not ready to get | :51:03. | :51:07. | |
their trucks through because people like Ed Sheeran have about 20 tracks | :51:08. | :51:15. | |
in the chart. I'm not against those artists, I think it's great, if an | :51:16. | :51:19. | |
artist gets a lot of tracks in the chart that's good but it prohibits | :51:20. | :51:23. | |
new talent from coming through. Previously as I worked as a plug it | :51:24. | :51:28. | |
is hard for an artist to get onto the A list and commercial radio | :51:29. | :51:33. | |
stations like Radio 1. So if it is harder for an artist to get airplay | :51:34. | :51:38. | |
on merit is it any easier to get a chart entry? That is the whole | :51:39. | :51:42. | |
issue. I think it's more the ecosystem of how we listen to music | :51:43. | :51:47. | |
is changing a great deal and now the power has been put much more into | :51:48. | :51:50. | |
the hands of listeners themselves, it is more of a democracy now. I | :51:51. | :51:56. | |
think the charts are less place were breaking new artists and more a | :51:57. | :52:03. | |
reflection of how as a nation we listen to music. That is how it is, | :52:04. | :52:07. | |
is it right that it remains like that or what about letting new | :52:08. | :52:13. | |
talent come through. I think the talent will come through in the | :52:14. | :52:18. | |
traditional way like channels like the radio but also playlists are | :52:19. | :52:23. | |
incredibly popular on Spotify and these streaming services and they | :52:24. | :52:25. | |
are an important way to break any artist now. An artist will come in | :52:26. | :52:30. | |
on a low ranking playlists and lots of people listen to him and it can | :52:31. | :52:35. | |
do becomes a meritocracy that the song will become more popular and | :52:36. | :52:41. | |
will rise into more popular playlists and it's allowing... But | :52:42. | :52:46. | |
don't you think it is tougher for artists to get through? The airplay | :52:47. | :52:51. | |
regime, and to those particular radio stations? Visibility, for sure | :52:52. | :53:00. | |
in the charts. When I worked as a plluggers I wasn't charging those | :53:01. | :53:05. | |
rates but plluggers can charge thousands of pounds... Explain how | :53:06. | :53:14. | |
the job of a pllugger works. Pllugger is the go-between between | :53:15. | :53:17. | |
an artist and a radio station. An artist will call me and say, I have | :53:18. | :53:21. | |
this track, do you like it, I think it's great. So then I would set up | :53:22. | :53:26. | |
meetings with producers and TV editors and say this is a great | :53:27. | :53:30. | |
track. They would say if they liked it it would get played or listed to | :53:31. | :53:35. | |
be played on a radio station, and we'd get feedback but that is | :53:36. | :53:45. | |
expensive. Most pluggers charge... And now people play music in their | :53:46. | :53:49. | |
bedroom and they can stream it. It is on the Internet and artists do | :53:50. | :53:52. | |
make it from starting out in that way. It is rare that they do. I get | :53:53. | :54:00. | |
a lot of artists who come on my BBC Three counties show through the BBC | :54:01. | :54:05. | |
introducing them, they ask, how can we get onto the charts. Sometimes | :54:06. | :54:09. | |
they don't even know the process. It's frustrating for me to give them | :54:10. | :54:13. | |
feedback based on the material, I think beyond this there needs to be | :54:14. | :54:18. | |
a process of how artists can get through. I think it's a step in the | :54:19. | :54:23. | |
right direction but more needs to be done. Let's look at Ed Sheeran. He | :54:24. | :54:28. | |
hasn't just broken through, he's smashed everything! How did he | :54:29. | :54:33. | |
start. He had a very grassroots beginning based on an old school | :54:34. | :54:38. | |
type of behaviour. Play as many gigs as you possibly can in tiny pads and | :54:39. | :54:46. | |
get by off word-of-mouth. -- tiny pads. He did some clever | :54:47. | :54:51. | |
collaborations, working with UK MCs and grime artists and gained | :54:52. | :54:55. | |
credibility on that side of the music spectrum. His style, which is | :54:56. | :55:01. | |
strumming and feeling like a normal bloke, appeals across the board to | :55:02. | :55:04. | |
the housewives of this nation and to the ordinary people of this nation. | :55:05. | :55:11. | |
Not just housewives! I am one! He straddles demographics in a way that | :55:12. | :55:17. | |
hardly anyone else has for a generation. And as BTV helped to | :55:18. | :55:22. | |
propel him from that kind of being known and not just as this online | :55:23. | :55:26. | |
sensation but taking him to other places. And I think because of their | :55:27. | :55:32. | |
cult following everyone latched onto him and thought, he's the next big | :55:33. | :55:37. | |
thing. He's shown through that grass roots way that he made it and if you | :55:38. | :55:43. | |
have the talent you can make it. He's got the songs. I'm not being | :55:44. | :55:47. | |
pessimistic about how he came through, others would like to follow | :55:48. | :55:53. | |
in his footsteps but it's not easy. Does the child make that much of a | :55:54. | :55:58. | |
difference? If you mag it is still relevant. -- the chart. I feel it is | :55:59. | :56:04. | |
still relevant. This seems to be some kind of funding model to bring | :56:05. | :56:09. | |
new Channel through. The BBC do introducing, Spotify and other | :56:10. | :56:13. | |
platforms have new music initiatives. I think more needs to | :56:14. | :56:17. | |
be done. I think what the charts Company has done is great but give | :56:18. | :56:22. | |
everyone can get around and sit at a table and say, how can we bring more | :56:23. | :56:26. | |
talent through and think of some great initiatives, I think that is | :56:27. | :56:31. | |
the way forward. OK. Well, nobody is going to be able to challenge that | :56:32. | :56:35. | |
Ed Sheeran record of 16 songs in the top 20, that is set in stone | :56:36. | :56:37. | |
forever! Thank you. The weather has been hot, we know it | :56:38. | :56:50. | |
is important to drink a lot but is it hygienic to use water bottles? | :56:51. | :56:52. | |
We've been finding out. So now you know. Now the weather | :56:53. | :58:19. | |
with Simon. Important to keep hydrated today, it | :58:20. | :58:31. | |
will be less hot than yesterday get still warm. Yesterday temperatures | :58:32. | :58:37. | |
reached 32.2 in London, a little fresher the further north you went, | :58:38. | :58:42. | |
18 in Glasgow. With the heat and humidity we had impressive | :58:43. | :58:45. | |
thunderstorms yesterday evening in Lincolnshire. This morning cloud | :58:46. | :58:48. | |
over northern and western parts of the UK. This is the latest satellite | :58:49. | :58:53. | |
picture, sunshine down towards the south and the south-east of England, | :58:54. | :58:58. | |
this was the scene short while ago in Surrey. Lovely this morning. | :58:59. | :59:03. | |
Temperatures already in the 20s. As we go through the rest of the | :59:04. | :59:07. | |
morning, more clients developing in these south-eastern areas, one or | :59:08. | :59:11. | |
two showers across the North, all in all for many of us a dry afternoon. | :59:12. | :59:17. | |
There will be sunny spells breaking through across the North of England, | :59:18. | :59:21. | |
those showers nowhere near as torrential as they were yesterday. | :59:22. | :59:26. | |
We could catch the odd heavy shower in Aberdeenshire, a scattering of | :59:27. | :59:29. | |
showers that to the West of Scotland, fine and dry with sunny | :59:30. | :59:35. | |
spells. Some breaks in the cloud across Northern Ireland, | :59:36. | :59:38. | |
temperatures 17 Celsius, cooler compared to north-west England and | :59:39. | :59:42. | |
Wales, cloud around and came the occasional shower floating around, | :59:43. | :59:48. | |
the most areas, staying dry. Some dry weather towards south-west | :59:49. | :59:50. | |
England. Some sunshine here. The best of sunny spells in the South | :59:51. | :59:55. | |
East, although there will be more clients developing and the top | :59:56. | :59:59. | |
temperatures should reach 28 degrees. This evening little change | :00:00. | :00:05. | |
across southern areas, this cold front is moving south behind that | :00:06. | :00:09. | |
cold front we have some colder air. So temperatures in northern parts | :00:10. | :00:13. | |
could reach fairly low single figures yet a of that cold front | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
another uncomfortable night was leaving, I suspect, in the | :00:18. | :00:21. | |
south-east. We start the morning with that week weather front are | :00:22. | :00:27. | |
continuing to move southwards, you noticed was northern areas it will | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
be largely dry with sunshine. Just some rain moving into the far north | :00:32. | :00:35. | |
and north-west of Scotland, temperatures down by a few degrees | :00:36. | :00:42. | |
compared to today but 19-24d. And then into Sunday, again for most of | :00:43. | :00:50. | |
us, mostly dry, some rain spreading south across Scotland and also | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
Northern Ireland, 15-16dC, the risk of heavy showers in Central and | :00:56. | :00:59. | |
eastern parts during Sunday. For many especially towards northern and | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
western areas it will be largely dry on Sunday and again temperatures, | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
20-25, still pretty warm where you get sunshine especially towards the | :01:09. | :01:13. | |
south-east. As we go into next week, rain at times, temperatures hovering | :01:14. | :01:16. | |
at about the average for the time of year. Bye bye. | :01:17. | :01:22. | |
It's Friday, it's ten o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling. The billionaire and | :01:23. | :01:29. | |
the former KGB officer meet face-to-face. Donald Trump and | :01:30. | :01:31. | |
Russian President Vladimir Putin will hold talks today at the G20 | :01:32. | :01:35. | |
summit in Hamburg. While the pair attempt to smooth over relations, | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
their meeting comes just one day after the President claimed the West | :01:40. | :01:42. | |
needed to show the will to survive international threats. The judge | :01:43. | :01:52. | |
leading the Grenfell Tower public enquiry faces angry questions from | :01:53. | :01:55. | |
survivors and local residents at last night's public meeting. We | :01:56. | :01:59. | |
talked to the lorry driver whose heroic actions avoided disaster on a | :02:00. | :02:14. | |
busy road. Straight for a summary of the news with Annita | :02:15. | :02:17. | |
Tight security is in place in the German city of Hamburg | :02:18. | :02:20. | |
for the start of the G-20 summit, after a night of violent | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
clashes between riot police and anti-capitalist protesters. | :02:24. | :02:24. | |
Items on the agenda for will be trade, climate | :02:25. | :02:26. | |
The American and Russian presidents will also meet for the first time | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
and Theresa May will call on world leaders to work together to cut off | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
what I'm doing here at the G20 is raising the need for us to work | :02:36. | :02:48. | |
collectively, internationally, to deal with terrorist financing, not | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
just large sums of money that financing terrorism, but also to | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
find ways of working with the financial services, with banks and | :02:57. | :02:59. | |
others, to identify those smaller scale transactions that can | :03:00. | :03:05. | |
sometimes lead terrorist activity. Tens of thousands of people will | :03:06. | :03:08. | |
face financial hardship and be forced into debt if changes aren't | :03:09. | :03:11. | |
made to the way the new welfare benefit Universal Credit is rolled | :03:12. | :03:21. | |
out. That according to citizens advice, which is calling for | :03:22. | :03:23. | |
improvements. Michael Buchanan reports. | :03:24. | :03:43. | |
At the Citizens Advice office in Bridgewater, | :03:44. | :03:45. | |
an increasing number of people are coming in, | :03:46. | :03:47. | |
Vicki Kelly has had to take the day off work to sort out her problems. | :03:48. | :03:51. | |
She has no internet access at home and struggles to keep up | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
Yeah, I'm having to take the day off from work to sort this out! | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
They you want me to work and yet, you've got to take time off! | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
What's it been like, then, the past few months? | :04:03. | :04:04. | |
Struggling for money, having to find other work | :04:05. | :04:07. | |
And obviously now, they have stopped it again at the moment, | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
we have to make phone calls, make appointments to come back | :04:12. | :04:13. | |
And again, it is more time off of work, losing more money. | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
Universal Credit has been rolled out across rolled out across Britain, | :04:18. | :04:20. | |
six welfare payments such as housing benefit and tax credits | :04:21. | :04:22. | |
But problems are emerging - a survey conducted by | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
Citizens Advice of those people it's helped found over a third | :04:27. | :04:28. | |
of claimants are waiting longer than the six weeks they should | :04:29. | :04:31. | |
One in ten people have to wait over ten weeks for Universal Credit. | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
More than half have had to borrow money while waiting | :04:36. | :04:38. | |
We are seeing at the moment thousands of people | :04:39. | :04:41. | |
who are seriously worried about their personal situations | :04:42. | :04:43. | |
and cannot fix it because the administration of Universal Credit | :04:44. | :04:45. | |
is not helping them and the support is not there for them | :04:46. | :04:48. | |
Ministers insist that Universal Credit is a success | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
and say most claimants are satisfied with the benefit and that help | :04:53. | :04:55. | |
it is available for those with problems. | :04:56. | :04:56. | |
The World Health Organisation says gonorrhoea is getting | :04:57. | :05:03. | |
much harder to treat - and it's essential that research | :05:04. | :05:05. | |
is carried out to find new drugs and a vaccine. | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
A study by the WHO in 77 countries suggests the sexually | :05:11. | :05:13. | |
transmitted infection - which can cause infertility - | :05:14. | :05:16. | |
is rapidly evolving resistance to antibiotics. | :05:17. | :05:19. | |
They estimate that 78 million people pick up the disease | :05:20. | :05:22. | |
The organisation representing NHS trusts in England says core | :05:23. | :05:27. | |
mental health services are being overwhelmed | :05:28. | :05:29. | |
A survey by NHS Providers also found more than three quarters | :05:30. | :05:36. | |
of mental health trusts think extra money pledged at national level | :05:37. | :05:39. | |
The Department of Health says there is a commitment to seeing | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
The delivery firm Deliveroo is calling on the Government | :05:44. | :05:50. | |
to update legislation to give self-employed people more security - | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
including sick pay - while maintaining the flexibility | :05:55. | :05:56. | |
The company says current employment law prevents companies | :05:57. | :05:59. | |
from extending some staff entitlements without calling into | :06:00. | :06:01. | |
question the status of its riders, who are classed as self--employed. | :06:02. | :06:04. | |
question the status of its riders, who are classed as self-employed. | :06:05. | :06:13. | |
UK house prices have fallen for three quarters in a row for the | :06:14. | :06:19. | |
first time since 2012 according to the Halifax. Prices in June fell by | :06:20. | :06:23. | |
1% from the month before, taking the average price of the property to | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
?218,000. The mortgage lenders analysis is that household finances | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
are being squeezed as consumer prices grow faster than wages. | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
David Dimbleby is used to dealing with difficult situations | :06:36. | :06:37. | |
as the host of Question Time, but he was left a little red-faced | :06:38. | :06:40. | |
last night when an alarm on his mobile interrupted | :06:41. | :06:42. | |
the programme to tell him it was 'time for bed'. | :06:43. | :06:46. | |
You put a fork in the road and we opted for | :06:47. | :06:49. | |
Now we're in this situation, we're all going down that | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
This is my stopwatch saying it's bedtime. | :06:54. | :07:03. | |
Not quite, David, glad everybody saw the funny side of it! | :07:04. | :07:20. | |
Do get in touch with us throughout the morning - | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
Will be talking about what's going on at the G20 summit, Donald Trump | :07:26. | :07:34. | |
and Vladimir Putin meeting face-to-face for the first time. | :07:35. | :07:37. | |
We'll have some reaction to what is potentially going to unfold there, | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
also talking about the interests of the other countries, because there | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
are 20 countries at the summit in Hamburg. We'll be asking what each | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
country will want to get out of this particular summit. Let's catch up | :07:51. | :07:51. | |
with the sport, we can join Jess. Starting with tennis, there is a big | :07:52. | :08:00. | |
day ahead at Wimbledon with four British players aiming for a place | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
in the fourth round. Andy Marianne Aljaz Bedene both in action. It is | :08:05. | :08:07. | |
the women's draw that is really interesting. Heather Watson is first | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
on Centre Court against former world number one Victoria Azarenka. The | :08:13. | :08:16. | |
new favourite for the women's title with some of the bookmakers is | :08:17. | :08:17. | |
Johanna Konta. Konta, who is now the favourite | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
with some bookmakers, plays Maria Sakkari of Greece | :08:23. | :08:24. | |
and defending champion Murray plays Italy's Fabio | :08:25. | :08:26. | |
Fognini on Centre Court. We can't write off Angelique Kerber | :08:27. | :08:36. | |
yet. She beat Kirsten Flipkens in two hard-fought sets yesterday. Kyle | :08:37. | :08:42. | |
Edmund did his best to make it five Britons in round three, but he is | :08:43. | :08:45. | |
out. He said he lacked maturity in his first experience of Centre Court | :08:46. | :08:49. | |
after he lost in straight sets to Gael Monfils. Roger Federer still | :08:50. | :08:58. | |
looking very good indeed, he had a bit of a nervy start against | :08:59. | :09:06. | |
Moore-Bick but still came through in straight sets. Novak Djokovic only | :09:07. | :09:09. | |
needed an hour and a half to beat his opponent. Djokovic said | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
afterward he was puzzled by John McEnroe's comments that he was the | :09:14. | :09:19. | |
Tiger Woods of tennis. There were some extremely distressing scenes on | :09:20. | :09:25. | |
court 17 as the American player suffered a really nasty knee injury. | :09:26. | :09:26. | |
Sue Barker explains what happened. Bethany of the United States lost | :09:27. | :09:35. | |
the second set tie-break, this is the fourth point of the final set, | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
suffers a really horrible fall. Immediately clutching her knee and | :09:40. | :09:43. | |
shouting, help me! 13 eventually come on to help her, as does her | :09:44. | :09:50. | |
opponent. A medical team was brought onto the court as well and she was | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
given oxygen. She has now made her way back to the clubhouse, but it | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
obviously is a very serious knee injury. All the best to her and her | :09:59. | :10:05. | |
recovery. Away from Wimbledon there was a remarkable first day in the | :10:06. | :10:09. | |
job for the new England cricket captain, Joe Root. He beat an | :10:10. | :10:16. | |
unbeaten 184 on the first day of the test against South Africa at Lord's. | :10:17. | :10:20. | |
To rescue his side. They'd been in some trouble after losing early | :10:21. | :10:26. | |
wickets. They resume on 357-5. You always pride yourself on runs as a | :10:27. | :10:29. | |
player, if you want to set the example as captain, you know, it's | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
important you do score runs. It's just the start. It's only the first | :10:34. | :10:39. | |
game. If I want to sort of postings on, in the future, I'm going to have | :10:40. | :10:46. | |
to do it more consistently. The Tour de France has been riddled with | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
crashes but on stage six the ride is just about manage to avoid a | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
spectator's umbrella that was blown onto the course. Probably a parasol, | :10:55. | :11:00. | |
looking at the sunshine. The stage was won by sprinter Marcel Kittle, | :11:01. | :11:03. | |
but Chris Froome still wears the yellow jersey. | :11:04. | :11:10. | |
Donald Trump is preparing for his first face-to-face meeting | :11:11. | :11:12. | |
Their encounter will take place on the fringes of the G20 summit | :11:13. | :11:16. | |
in Hamburg where world leaders will be discussing trade, | :11:17. | :11:19. | |
Tight security is in place for the summit in the German city - | :11:20. | :11:27. | |
where anti capitalist protestors have been demonstrating. | :11:28. | :11:29. | |
This morning riot police again used water cannon | :11:30. | :11:31. | |
In a moment, we'll be speaking to Professor Margaret Macmillan | :11:32. | :11:36. | |
from Oxford University and Professor Scott Lucas | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
from Birmingham University but first let's go to Hamburg and speak | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
to our Deputy Political Editor John Pienaar. | :11:47. | :11:49. | |
You've been speaking to Theresa May, what has she been saying? Well, we | :11:50. | :11:57. | |
can see that the global leaders here face a long list of challenges. | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
Donald Trump is central to a number of them. Imagine trade, North Korea. | :12:02. | :12:07. | |
You mentioned confrontation between leaders and between Donald Trump, | :12:08. | :12:11. | |
who has pulled back, repudiated the Paris treaty on climate change. | :12:12. | :12:18. | |
Theresa May will meet Donald Trump in the summit. She has the | :12:19. | :12:21. | |
additional complication that after the election, in the run-up to | :12:22. | :12:24. | |
Brexit, there were those arguing that Britain is seeing a shrinkage | :12:25. | :12:28. | |
of its influence. She'll go to the meeting with that in the background. | :12:29. | :12:31. | |
I asked when I spoke to the Prime Minister earlier today how she would | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
deal with that, how she would face up to Donald Trump, would she be | :12:37. | :12:39. | |
very strong in asserting her view that America is wrong to pull back | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
from the climate change treaty? Have a listen back to this. I was clear | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
to President Trump how disappointed the UK was that the United States | :12:49. | :12:51. | |
have decided to pull out of the Paris agreement. And also clear that | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
I hope they'll be able to find a way to come back into the Paris | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
agreement. I think it's important for us globally, I believe it is | :13:00. | :13:02. | |
possible. We're not really negotiating the Paris agreement, | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
that stays. But I want to see the United States looking for ways to | :13:07. | :13:12. | |
rejoin. I believe the collective message that will be given to | :13:13. | :13:15. | |
President Trump around this table will be the importance of America | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
coming back into the agreement and I hope we'll be able to work to ensure | :13:21. | :13:24. | |
that can happen. What do you say to business leaders like the CBI is a | :13:25. | :13:27. | |
Britain should stay a full member of the customs union and the single | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
market through a transition period however long that takes, for the | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
sake of stability and certainty? What I want to do is negotiate a new | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
comprehensive free trade agreement with the European Union to have that | :13:41. | :13:45. | |
negotiated with him that two year time scale the treaty has set. As | :13:46. | :13:50. | |
part of the ongoing relationship, of course, we'll need to have an | :13:51. | :13:53. | |
implement a nation period, when that is put into place. What I want to | :13:54. | :13:58. | |
see is a smooth and orderly process, as smooth as possible, because it is | :13:59. | :14:01. | |
the case none of us want to disrupt our economy, we want to ensure we | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
have that smooth process. But it is important we have that free trade | :14:07. | :14:10. | |
agreement, that we know what that end state, that relationship is | :14:11. | :14:13. | |
going to be for the future. Then we are able to implement that over a | :14:14. | :14:14. | |
period. No very clear idea of how the Prime | :14:15. | :14:26. | |
Minister sees our part to Brexit panning out in any detail, it's to | :14:27. | :14:29. | |
play out, the lobbying from business and others goes on. Interesting she | :14:30. | :14:36. | |
seemed to be arguing, she hoped, at least, it might be possible to | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
persuade Donald Trump to come back into the climate change deal, not | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
easy to see how that might be achieved either. When I asked about | :14:44. | :14:47. | |
this shrinkage of British influence, if that's what it was, she said | :14:48. | :14:50. | |
Britain could either be timid or bold, which, if nothing else, was | :14:51. | :14:55. | |
recognition there is a challenge for Britain in keeping up its influence. | :14:56. | :15:05. | |
Thank you very much, John, let's talk to Professor Scott Lucas. Thank | :15:06. | :15:10. | |
you very much for joining us. There are lots of issues, lots of leaders | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
there. Most of the attention is focused on Vladimir Putin and Donald | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
Trump. What do you think they're meeting is going to deliver? How | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
important is this meeting? I think it will provide four appearances, | :15:24. | :15:26. | |
Donald Trump will say this proves he's a very important leader. | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
Vladimir Putin will use this to show that Russia is now the equal of the | :15:32. | :15:34. | |
United States, even if that's not true in many ways, that Russia is | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
now equal in world leadership. There will be very little substance that | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
will come out of that, and indeed the risk is that it sucks the oxygen | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
out of the G20. We've got important issues here. We've got climate | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
change, migration and refugees. The question of economic recovery after | :15:52. | :15:55. | |
the 2008 financial crisis and recession. In many ways, Trump's | :15:56. | :16:01. | |
protectionism is pulling the US after the side on those issues. It's | :16:02. | :16:06. | |
no longer part of the Accord, so will not be. It's trying to stand | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
aside on the migration issue. It's up to the other 18 leaders as to how | :16:12. | :16:16. | |
they coordinate and cooperate, possibly without a clear US lead, | :16:17. | :16:22. | |
even with the US with them. Do you see the other 18 successfully doing | :16:23. | :16:25. | |
that? It feels like we're at a time in our history where countries are | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
much more fragmented, all looking to their own interests. It's a time | :16:31. | :16:34. | |
where this country is looking to Brexit, the EU is looking at that | :16:35. | :16:41. | |
shift as well. Success can always look like a long-term challenge on | :16:42. | :16:46. | |
many fronts. For many of the other 18 leers pursuing that cooperation. | :16:47. | :16:53. | |
Take the European context, the new French president Emmanuel Macron and | :16:54. | :16:56. | |
Germany's Angela Merkel are both looking to reassert a European | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
leadership on international affairs and stability in Europe, despite | :17:02. | :17:04. | |
Brexit. Indeed, Brexit has given them the opportunity. Consider the | :17:05. | :17:10. | |
space for China, which wants to pursue a constructive diplomatic | :17:11. | :17:13. | |
relationship with many countries, with Russia, with Europe, indeed, | :17:14. | :17:18. | |
even with Latin America, and the opportunity it has. But, that said, | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
in the case of Britain, to give an example, that effort is crippled, if | :17:23. | :17:29. | |
not paralysed, by Britain almost innocent is withdrawing through | :17:30. | :17:31. | |
Brexit from the European Union. -- almost in a sense. | :17:32. | :17:40. | |
You say it is important that this meeting between Putin and Trump does | :17:41. | :17:46. | |
not suck at the oxygen. Obviously we must wait and see what happens with | :17:47. | :17:51. | |
that meeting but do you think that it is going to be a summit which is | :17:52. | :17:55. | |
constructive around the broad issues? There is a double edged | :17:56. | :18:02. | |
answer on this. And that is that the American administration, not Trump | :18:03. | :18:09. | |
but the American defence Department wants to draw a line with the | :18:10. | :18:13. | |
Russians. They want to say, look, stop suing this line with Ukraine, | :18:14. | :18:19. | |
stop pursuing cyber warfare and interfering in elections including | :18:20. | :18:22. | |
the US, stop an aggressive line in the middle age, let's talk | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
co-operation. Trump himself simply wants the photo opportunity. I hate | :18:28. | :18:33. | |
to be blunt but that is the case. He could work with Putin, he admires | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
Putin. So today we will get handshakes and a lot of smiles from | :18:38. | :18:41. | |
both men. The Russians benefit because it continues to bolster | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
their position by playing the Americans, the US agency will have | :18:46. | :18:48. | |
to go back to the drawing board and say where do we go from here. We've | :18:49. | :18:54. | |
been talking about the way this place in the dynamic between the | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
various T20 countries. What about the dynamic full Trump at home as he | :18:59. | :19:02. | |
goes into this meeting. A great question. Again to be forthright, | :19:03. | :19:10. | |
this meeting is a convenient diversion, and hopefully for Trump a | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
lingering one from the troubles at home. The main story expanding will | :19:15. | :19:22. | |
be the US investigation into Trump's possible connections with Russia in | :19:23. | :19:31. | |
2016. But also he's failed to get any significant legislation through | :19:32. | :19:34. | |
and has failed to repeal Obamacare. So he will get a couple of days to | :19:35. | :19:39. | |
play at being leader and get a respite from that that next Monday | :19:40. | :19:41. | |
we will be back into domestic matters. Vladimir Putin and Donald | :19:42. | :19:48. | |
Trump diverged significantly on some of the most important issues that | :19:49. | :19:54. | |
are facing us right now, such as what is happening in Syria and North | :19:55. | :20:03. | |
Korea. Is there anyway, whatever their personal relationship is, that | :20:04. | :20:11. | |
anything changes on that front. Is not Trump versus Putin, it is Putin, | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
the Kremlin and the administration. It will be on a case-by-case basis. | :20:17. | :20:20. | |
For instance on Syria the United States agencies will seek a | :20:21. | :20:26. | |
reduction of violence and an effective partition of Syria. On | :20:27. | :20:32. | |
North Korea, not just the US and Russia but also the Chinese who | :20:33. | :20:36. | |
Putin met last weekend will all try to say let's step back from imminent | :20:37. | :20:40. | |
military conflict, however provocative North Korea is trying to | :20:41. | :20:44. | |
be, the broader issue is that when you take something like Russia's | :20:45. | :20:50. | |
space in Europe and where Russia is challenging Nato and trying to | :20:51. | :20:54. | |
undermine it, is there space to pull Putin back from that into a less | :20:55. | :21:01. | |
hostile relationship? Thank you very much indeed for joining us, | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
Professor Scott Lucas from Birmingham University. As we have | :21:06. | :21:10. | |
been discussing the American and Russian presidents will hold their | :21:11. | :21:16. | |
first face-to-face talks at the T20 later. Donald Trump says he does | :21:17. | :21:21. | |
want to find ways to work with Vladimir Putin, what do Russians | :21:22. | :21:31. | |
think of him. Less than before, it seems. One community that made him | :21:32. | :21:34. | |
an honorary member has withdrawn that support. We find out why. | :21:35. | :21:46. | |
When Donald Trump became president there were great expectations in | :21:47. | :22:51. | |
Russia, are you disappointed in him. Yes. I understand he's in a very | :22:52. | :22:57. | |
tough position because every time he says something, wants to improve | :22:58. | :23:01. | |
relations with Russia, he is immediately accused of being a | :23:02. | :23:03. | |
Russian stooge, a surrogate. Still to come the EU rejects a plea | :23:04. | :23:23. | |
for help from Italy in dealing with thousands of migrants arriving at | :23:24. | :23:27. | |
their shores. We'll talk about the situation with migrants and the | :23:28. | :23:30. | |
bigger picture in terms of what can be done to deal with where they are | :23:31. | :23:32. | |
going. Also "I give you my word | :23:33. | :23:39. | |
I will look into this matter" - those where the words to residents | :23:40. | :23:42. | |
and survivors of the Grenfell tower fire from Sir Martin Moore-Bick - | :23:43. | :23:45. | |
the retired judge who will oversee He attended a meeting yesterday | :23:46. | :23:48. | |
evening held by the Lancaster West Residents Association, | :23:49. | :23:52. | |
where he denied that he'd been Sir Martin has already faced calls | :23:53. | :23:54. | |
to resign over fears from residents that his remit | :23:55. | :24:00. | |
for the inquiry will be too narrow. Here's a clip of from | :24:01. | :24:03. | |
last night's meeting. I can't do more than assure you that | :24:04. | :24:08. | |
I know what it is to be impartial. I've been a judge for 20 years, | :24:09. | :24:12. | |
and I give you my word that I will look into this matter | :24:13. | :24:15. | |
to the very best of my ability, and find the facts as I see | :24:16. | :24:18. | |
them from the evidence. Now, if I can't satisfy | :24:19. | :24:21. | |
you because you have some preconception about me as a person, | :24:22. | :24:29. | |
that's up to you. At that meeting yesterday | :24:30. | :24:31. | |
was Joe Delaney, he's a member He joins us now. It was a heated | :24:32. | :25:23. | |
meeting. What is your thinking on it? Well, as you saw, I was giving | :25:24. | :25:29. | |
Sir Martin Moore-Bick my opinion. I met him last week and I felt he came | :25:30. | :25:33. | |
out and immediately spoke to the media and was quite dismissive of | :25:34. | :25:37. | |
our calls for a wider inquiry than what he sees as its just being | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
about. We don't want this reduced to simply being a debate about | :25:43. | :25:44. | |
cladding. The issues are far wider than that. He hasn't said it will be | :25:45. | :25:52. | |
just about cladding, has he? He's said he is determined, and I'm | :25:53. | :25:57. | |
quoting from him, and determined to establish the causes of the tragedy | :25:58. | :26:01. | |
and ensure appropriate lessons are learned. To do this the inquiry will | :26:02. | :26:04. | |
need to examine all the circumstances leading up to the fire | :26:05. | :26:09. | |
to understand its causes and prevent such a tragedy of a happening again. | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
I want to hear from people directly affected by the fire and listen to | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
their views on the shape of the work of the inquiry and the questions we | :26:19. | :26:22. | |
should seek to answer. With those words he sounds open-minded in terms | :26:23. | :26:28. | |
of the scope of the inquiry. In the Queen's Speech overpromised and | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
opening inquiry -- and open inquiry along those lines and yet Sir Martin | :26:33. | :26:39. | |
has said... Oh, dear, we have been put on hold! We will try to go back | :26:40. | :26:47. | |
to Joe Delaney. I think, sorry, you went on hold momentarily, pick up | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
where you were. Yes, sorry. As I said, in the Queen's Speech we were | :26:53. | :26:56. | |
promised a wide inquiry along those lines. And then he said he had been | :26:57. | :27:01. | |
told privately that the inquiry would be much narrower. Why isn't he | :27:02. | :27:06. | |
willing to publish, for example all the correspondence between the Prime | :27:07. | :27:09. | |
Minister 's office and himself concerning the inquiry? Why was he | :27:10. | :27:15. | |
so dismissive of the reasonable concerns people made in smaller | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
groups last week. He would not have faced such a sceptical crowd last | :27:21. | :27:27. | |
night. At that meeting last night, she said "I cannot do more than to | :27:28. | :27:31. | |
assure you I know what it is to be impartial. I have been a judge for | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
20 years and I give you my word that I will look into this matter to the | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
best of my ability and find the facts as I see them from my | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
evidence. That is my job, that is my training, that is what I intend to | :27:44. | :27:50. | |
do." It isn't a case of trust, it's more a case of him saying one thing | :27:51. | :27:55. | |
and doing another. Why not give him some time to see what he does? I | :27:56. | :28:01. | |
have given him time to see what he does. He was in a meeting with me | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
last week. He said he had taken on board everything we said and then | :28:07. | :28:09. | |
three hours later he spoke to the media and was dismissive of all of | :28:10. | :28:15. | |
the residents our concerns. I understand he can't please everyone | :28:16. | :28:19. | |
but the loose language he used last week and his choice of language last | :28:20. | :28:23. | |
night doesn't elicit confidence. Rightly, this man is an advocate for | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
50 odd years of his life. If he can't sell a simple case, one that | :28:29. | :28:34. | |
he believes in, what fate should we have in him in general? He says his | :28:35. | :28:40. | |
job is to be impartial, to get to the bottom of what has happened and | :28:41. | :28:44. | |
he's absolutely open. He wants to hear from residents as to what they | :28:45. | :28:49. | |
would like to look at in terms of the inquiry. Oh, we have gone back | :28:50. | :28:54. | |
on hold. We will give it a moment in case it comes back like it did | :28:55. | :29:02. | |
before. No. OK. We will try to fix that. A technical issue. We've tried | :29:03. | :29:10. | |
to go back to Joe Delaney if we can. Still to come despite thousands of | :29:11. | :29:14. | |
migrants arriving at Italian shores where the EU has rejected a plea | :29:15. | :29:18. | |
from Italy for more help in growing with -- coping with growing numbers | :29:19. | :29:22. | |
of migrants. And we will talk to this lorry driver. Watch these | :29:23. | :29:27. | |
pictures, it is the lorry driver whose heroic actions averted a major | :29:28. | :29:35. | |
disaster on a busy A Road. We'll talk to him about exactly what | :29:36. | :29:39. | |
happened and what was going through his mind when that was happening. | :29:40. | :29:48. | |
Let's catch up with all the news with Annita | :29:49. | :29:52. | |
Tight security is in place in the German city of Hamburg | :29:53. | :29:55. | |
for the start of the G-20 summit, after a night of violent | :29:56. | :29:58. | |
clashes between riot police and anti-capitalist protesters. | :29:59. | :30:03. | |
Items on the agenda will be trade, climate | :30:04. | :30:05. | |
The American and Russian presidents will also meet for the first time | :30:06. | :30:11. | |
and Theresa May will call on world leaders to work together to cut off | :30:12. | :30:14. | |
what I'm doing here at the G20 is raising the need for us to work | :30:15. | :30:23. | |
collectively, internationally, to deal with terrorist financing. Not | :30:24. | :30:27. | |
just large sums of money financing terrorism, but also to find ways of | :30:28. | :30:31. | |
working with the financial services, with banks and others, to identify | :30:32. | :30:35. | |
those smaller scale transactions that can sometimes lead to terrorist | :30:36. | :30:37. | |
activity. Citizens Advice is calling | :30:38. | :30:38. | |
on ministers to stop the roll out of the new welfare benefit, | :30:39. | :30:41. | |
Universal Credit. The charity says problems | :30:42. | :30:43. | |
with the benefit are forcing people into debt, | :30:44. | :30:45. | |
and say tens of thousands of people will face financial hardship | :30:46. | :30:47. | |
unless improvements are made. Ministers insist the | :30:48. | :30:52. | |
benefit is working. The World Health Organisation says | :30:53. | :30:56. | |
gonorrhoea is getting much harder to treat - | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
and it's essential that research is carried out to find | :31:00. | :31:01. | |
new drugs and a vaccine. A study by the WHO in 77 countries | :31:02. | :31:08. | |
suggests the sexually transmitted infection - | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
which can cause infertility - is rapidly evolving | :31:13. | :31:14. | |
resistance to antibiotics. They estimate that 78 million | :31:15. | :31:16. | |
people pick up the disease The organisation representing NHS | :31:17. | :31:19. | |
trusts in England says core mental health services | :31:20. | :31:26. | |
are being overwhelmed A survey by NHS Providers also found | :31:27. | :31:28. | |
more than three quarters of mental health trusts think extra | :31:29. | :31:34. | |
money pledged at national level The Department of Health says | :31:35. | :31:37. | |
there is a commitment to seeing A US hospital is offering to ship | :31:38. | :31:43. | |
an experimental drug to the UK to help treat terminally-ill Charlie | :31:44. | :31:51. | |
Gard. The hospital in New York | :31:52. | :31:54. | |
also offered to admit the 11-month-old if "legal hurdles" | :31:55. | :31:56. | |
can be cleared. Charlie's parents are at | :31:57. | :32:01. | |
the centre of a lengthy legal battle with doctors | :32:02. | :32:04. | |
at London's Great Ormond Street Hospital, who say the treatment | :32:05. | :32:06. | |
would not help the boy. A new gallery will open | :32:07. | :32:10. | |
in David Hockney's hometown of Bradford today - | :32:11. | :32:12. | |
to coincide with his 80th The David Hockney Gallery, | :32:13. | :32:14. | |
at Cartwright Hall, houses the largest public collection | :32:15. | :32:19. | |
of his early artworks The display also includes family | :32:20. | :32:21. | |
photos and previously unseen footage Let's join Jess for sports update. | :32:22. | :32:49. | |
Johanna Konta and Andy Murray lead British hope that Wimbledon today as | :32:50. | :32:52. | |
they take to the court in the third round. Konta is now the favourite | :32:53. | :32:54. | |
with some bookmakers. She Heather Watson, Andy Murray and | :32:55. | :33:04. | |
Aljaz Bedene are also in action. Seven time champion Roger Federer | :33:05. | :33:06. | |
said he couldn't get rid of the nerves early in his match, but still | :33:07. | :33:11. | |
made it through in straight sets against Lajovic. In his first match | :33:12. | :33:17. | |
as England captain Joe Root hit 184 not out against South Africa in the | :33:18. | :33:21. | |
opening test at Lord's. That innings rescued England, who lost early | :33:22. | :33:26. | |
wickets. They resume on 357-5 in around half an hour. Chris Froome is | :33:27. | :33:31. | |
still wearing the leader 's yellow jersey after what he described as | :33:32. | :33:34. | |
one of the most relaxing days he'd ever had on the Tour de France. That | :33:35. | :33:39. | |
is all the sport for now. Let me bring you some news from | :33:40. | :33:50. | |
the... Some news from the G20's it in Hamburg. We hear Vladimir Putin | :33:51. | :33:57. | |
and Donald Trump have met, they've already shaken hands. According to | :33:58. | :34:02. | |
the Kremlin spokesman, who has said they will see each other later. | :34:03. | :34:10. | |
Responding to the BBC, he said Putin had been informed of Trump's | :34:11. | :34:14. | |
comments in Poland about Russia, he will bear them in mind for their | :34:15. | :34:18. | |
meeting. He would not be drawn on how that might affect the | :34:19. | :34:22. | |
atmosphere. Let's wait and see the results, he said, let's not get out | :34:23. | :34:24. | |
of ourselves, the meeting hasn't happened yet. Asked whether Putin's | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
sentiment was the same as Trump's on Twitter, that he was looking forward | :34:30. | :34:34. | |
to meeting with lots to discuss, he said simply yes. They met, shaken | :34:35. | :34:37. | |
hands, not sure whether there are any pictures. We haven't got any | :34:38. | :34:42. | |
now, we're hoping there might be some pictures, we might get them a | :34:43. | :34:45. | |
little bit later, if we do, we will bring them to you. | :34:46. | :34:47. | |
Thousands of migrants are fleeing Libya by making the dangerous | :34:48. | :34:49. | |
journey across the Mediterranean sea to Europe. | :34:50. | :34:51. | |
It's estimated that so far this year more than 2,000 people have | :34:52. | :34:54. | |
died while making the crossing, making this set to be | :34:55. | :34:56. | |
Most of the migrants end up in Italy. | :34:57. | :34:59. | |
80,000 have so far crossed this year, the numbers up 20% on last | :35:00. | :35:12. | |
year. Most of the migrants | :35:13. | :35:13. | |
end up in Italy. almost 13,000 migrants | :35:14. | :35:15. | |
and refugees arrived. EU countries are being accused | :35:16. | :35:18. | |
of failing to help Italy to cope, and it it is now threatening | :35:19. | :35:21. | |
to close its ports to foreign ships. Steve Valdez-Symonds | :35:22. | :35:26. | |
is here from Amnesty International. He's their Refugee and Migrant | :35:27. | :35:27. | |
Rights Programme director. Annalisa Piras, is an Italian | :35:28. | :35:34. | |
Journalist and Film-Maker who's been making a film about the migrant | :35:35. | :35:37. | |
crisis, following this story And from the Mediteranean we can | :35:38. | :35:39. | |
speak to Regina Catrambone the director of Migrant | :35:40. | :35:43. | |
Offshore Aid Station - From the Italian perspective, how is | :35:44. | :36:01. | |
this scene? This is increasingly looking not to like an EU migrant | :36:02. | :36:06. | |
problem, but an Italian one. Huge numbers of migrants arriving in | :36:07. | :36:11. | |
Italy. Italy is at breaking point. The situation is completely | :36:12. | :36:16. | |
unsustainable. The local impact is devastating. There are all sorts of | :36:17. | :36:20. | |
consequences. Italy has been left alone for seven years now. So there | :36:21. | :36:26. | |
has been sometimes of doing something the EU operation Sophia is | :36:27. | :36:31. | |
one of them. France and Germany are now starting to help a little bit | :36:32. | :36:36. | |
more. There is some awareness. But the reality is that there is a fire | :36:37. | :36:41. | |
going on in Italy and the neighbours are looking at the Garden of Italy, | :36:42. | :36:46. | |
saying, it's the garden, it's not our problem. Well, actually, this is | :36:47. | :36:51. | |
the problem of all European countries, and there needs to be | :36:52. | :36:54. | |
much bigger awareness and a much bigger sense of responsibility and | :36:55. | :36:58. | |
solidarity. Especially from the point of view of France and Britain, | :36:59. | :37:03. | |
that intervened in Libya in 2011. And they somehow caused chaos going | :37:04. | :37:10. | |
on now. Because let's not forget the problem is that Libya is a failed | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
state and has become a launch platform for hundreds of thousands | :37:16. | :37:18. | |
of people coming from all of Africa. There is a huge responsibility for | :37:19. | :37:25. | |
other European countries. How do you see the situation with Italy saying | :37:26. | :37:28. | |
we cannot cope, other countries need to open up their ports from other | :37:29. | :37:33. | |
countries say they won't. Sending money to Italy to deal with the | :37:34. | :37:36. | |
problem, but also sending money to Libya. What do you think about that | :37:37. | :37:40. | |
approach? The problem we have is for many years there has been a failure | :37:41. | :37:44. | |
of responsibility sharing across the globe, quite frankly. Certainly | :37:45. | :37:50. | |
through Europe. Amnesty International certainly shares | :37:51. | :37:53. | |
Italy's concerns that it's not being adequately supported by its European | :37:54. | :37:57. | |
partners. The truth is, the fire is not in Europe, the fire is not in | :37:58. | :38:03. | |
Italy, the fire appears in conflict and oppressive regimes and a failed | :38:04. | :38:07. | |
state in Libya. Elsewhere. That is where people are being forced to | :38:08. | :38:11. | |
flee. Let's not forget somewhere around 50% of the people fleeing out | :38:12. | :38:16. | |
of Libya are people who went to Libya to work. They didn't go to | :38:17. | :38:20. | |
Libya in the hope of travelling to Europe, they found themselves | :38:21. | :38:23. | |
trapped in the very hostile and dangerous place where many people | :38:24. | :38:27. | |
have been detained, tortured, enslaved. This is their only way | :38:28. | :38:30. | |
out. Europe needs to come together to support Italy but it also needs | :38:31. | :38:36. | |
to recognise that for those people getting into these boats there | :38:37. | :38:39. | |
really are no choices for them. Search and rescue must be a | :38:40. | :38:46. | |
priority. Regina, Italy, France and Germany have described the action by | :38:47. | :38:50. | |
the NGOs you have boats in the waters just outside Libyan | :38:51. | :38:57. | |
territory, sometimes it is claimed even in Libyan waters, as | :38:58. | :38:59. | |
effectively creating a pull factor for refugees. This is a particularly | :39:00. | :39:04. | |
busy time of the year for the refugees to be making this journey. | :39:05. | :39:12. | |
What is it like in those waters? I can give you the perspective now. | :39:13. | :39:17. | |
Because at the moment I'm talking to you and I'm in international waters. | :39:18. | :39:24. | |
We are 20-25 miles from the Libyan shore. We have been here from the | :39:25. | :39:33. | |
4th of July. We are patrolling since then. Our last rescue the 30th of | :39:34. | :39:43. | |
June. 412 people under the coordination of the Italian | :39:44. | :39:46. | |
coastguard were transferred from the Phoenix vessel, the vessel... To an | :39:47. | :40:00. | |
Italian vessel. I don't believe the ships at sea are a factor, this has | :40:01. | :40:06. | |
been proven in many discussions. Everybody again is talking about | :40:07. | :40:14. | |
solidarity, Italy solidarity. And I believe it's very important. | :40:15. | :40:20. | |
However, we need to discuss about the solidarity. Towards the people. | :40:21. | :40:26. | |
That are dying out at sea. And continue to die on Europe's | :40:27. | :40:32. | |
doorstep. We don't need to forget them. Every day, everybody talks | :40:33. | :40:40. | |
about the migrants. But nobody talks with them, nobody listens to them. | :40:41. | :40:45. | |
Here is the ship after the rescue. We take our time to collect their | :40:46. | :40:51. | |
story, to talk with the people. This is very important. It's part of | :40:52. | :40:59. | |
integration. Courage, empathy, mercy and solidarity need to be the | :41:00. | :41:10. | |
kaleidoscope of our society. Today, Coldplay released an album in favour | :41:11. | :41:19. | |
of all the people trying to survive. We want to thank them and all of the | :41:20. | :41:28. | |
English people that continue to donate to us and believe in our | :41:29. | :41:39. | |
effort. Annalisa, Regina is talking about empathy and solidarity and its | :41:40. | :41:43. | |
importance. Italy, as you've been describing, under pressure as a | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
result of the numbers going in. But what is the public perspective in | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
Italy in terms of sympathy for the migrants? Well, I guess that it's | :41:53. | :41:59. | |
very similar, in a more extreme way, to what is happening in the rest of | :42:00. | :42:03. | |
Europe. This crisis has been going on for seven years. There is | :42:04. | :42:07. | |
fatigue. People are turning their heads the other way. Italians cannot | :42:08. | :42:12. | |
do that completely. Because they are faced with the direct consequences. | :42:13. | :42:16. | |
Part of the population is exasperated. There are internal | :42:17. | :42:23. | |
politics consequences, because populism is feasting on this | :42:24. | :42:28. | |
situation with anti-migrant xenophobic policies. And then there | :42:29. | :42:33. | |
is the other part of the people who actually feel sympathy and | :42:34. | :42:39. | |
compassion, who are just absolutely exasperated, because they don't know | :42:40. | :42:44. | |
what could be done by Italy alone. So there is a very widespread on | :42:45. | :42:50. | |
both sides of the argument. Despair, really. What do you think, Steve, | :42:51. | :42:57. | |
about the impact on politics within Europe? Is the sort of rise in | :42:58. | :43:05. | |
xenophobic attitudes as a result of this? It's very troubling. She's | :43:06. | :43:12. | |
quite right to point out just long this situation has been ongoing. | :43:13. | :43:17. | |
It's certainly true over the last four years the numbers who made | :43:18. | :43:19. | |
those crossings have been significant higher than years | :43:20. | :43:22. | |
before. She's quite right, journeys across the central Mediterranean to | :43:23. | :43:27. | |
Italy on many years old. The truth is, political leaders across Europe | :43:28. | :43:31. | |
have largely refused to get to grips with that and refused to recognise | :43:32. | :43:35. | |
that by simply putting all their efforts into trying to stop movement | :43:36. | :43:40. | |
they have simply empowered more and more the very smuggling gangs they | :43:41. | :43:44. | |
want to shut down. Because people who have no choice but to need to | :43:45. | :43:49. | |
flee, whether from conflict, extreme poverty or chaos in Libya, they | :43:50. | :43:53. | |
haven't got any choice. They have to take whatever option is available to | :43:54. | :43:57. | |
them. Smugglers are the only people offering an option at the moment, so | :43:58. | :44:00. | |
that is why they have been so empowered. That has escalated over | :44:01. | :44:04. | |
several years and it's going to take a long time to tackle those | :44:05. | :44:07. | |
smuggling gangs. The only way, ultimately, to do that, is to take | :44:08. | :44:11. | |
away their business. It must mean to ensure many more people have the | :44:12. | :44:15. | |
safe and legal routes they need. Alice joins us now. | :44:16. | :44:16. | |
And Alice Gautreau is a midwife for Doctors Without Borders | :44:17. | :44:19. | |
who is working on board a rescue ship. | :44:20. | :44:25. | |
Tell us, what is it like on that ship, what you're doing? So I work | :44:26. | :44:34. | |
on the Aquarius ship and I look after women and children who are | :44:35. | :44:40. | |
taken off the sea into our boat. What are the stories you hear from | :44:41. | :44:48. | |
the people you're helping? I think the stories that I hear cooperate | :44:49. | :44:54. | |
very well with what this gentleman said. People are fleeing from | :44:55. | :45:00. | |
terrible, terrible situations. Certainly being a woman in Libya | :45:01. | :45:08. | |
sounds very, very dangerous and puts you at risk of a lot of violence. | :45:09. | :45:12. | |
Being a black woman in Libya sounds even deadly and really, really | :45:13. | :45:16. | |
dangerous as well. A quick final thought from you. We are hearing | :45:17. | :45:23. | |
frustrations, all round, actually, about the way this situation is | :45:24. | :45:28. | |
being dealt with. As things stand, the reality is migrants are going to | :45:29. | :45:34. | |
Italy. With other countries refusing to open their ports, is there any | :45:35. | :45:37. | |
chance Italy might say, well, that's enough, we'll close our ports? | :45:38. | :45:43. | |
Where I've been making a film and this is the past two years so I know | :45:44. | :45:50. | |
it is a very, very complex issue. But there are things that cannot | :45:51. | :45:54. | |
really happen in the sense that... Italy cannot stop welcoming these | :45:55. | :45:58. | |
people because it would be illegal to refuse to help people in need. | :45:59. | :46:03. | |
The question is, how long will it take. How many more people will die, | :46:04. | :46:09. | |
and will go through this horrendous journey before public opinion in | :46:10. | :46:12. | |
Europe says enough is enough. I think that's the main thing. | :46:13. | :46:25. | |
Because at the moment there seems to be a denial of this tragedy of | :46:26. | :46:29. | |
biblical proportions that is happening there. So really the | :46:30. | :46:31. | |
responsibility is with us to start saying we need to do something | :46:32. | :46:36. | |
together collectively. Thank you very much. | :46:37. | :46:41. | |
It's one of the mysteries of life - what really happens | :46:42. | :46:43. | |
Well, we've asked three people who have experienced death | :46:44. | :46:47. | |
in different ways to tell us what they remember in the time spent | :46:48. | :46:50. | |
When I was 21, I bled to death, nearly. | :46:51. | :46:55. | |
Early in the morning, two nurses came and asked me | :46:56. | :47:01. | |
to follow them up these stairs to have a check. | :47:02. | :47:05. | |
The doctor was going to come up and look at me. | :47:06. | :47:07. | |
Sunday night came, which is when everything started. | :47:08. | :47:15. | |
I walked towards the phone, something said, "You have | :47:16. | :47:23. | |
I got through to the operator and we started talking. | :47:24. | :47:27. | |
I explained to her about the severe chest pains that I had | :47:28. | :47:30. | |
She told me to open the front door, sit down and just | :47:31. | :47:36. | |
Two paramedics walked in, a man and a woman. | :47:37. | :47:42. | |
And I remember her name, her name was Rebecca. | :47:43. | :47:44. | |
I put my chin on to my right shoulder, and the next thing, | :47:45. | :47:58. | |
My experience goes a number of years back, I was roughly 35. | :47:59. | :48:06. | |
And a few friends decided we'd be going to visit the South of France | :48:07. | :48:09. | |
And we're down by the side of the river. | :48:10. | :48:19. | |
A few of us thought we'd just go into the river, | :48:20. | :48:23. | |
Immediately, I stepped one step forward, and the next | :48:24. | :48:31. | |
I'd gone right in the water, and it was a very powerful current. | :48:32. | :48:37. | |
I'm being swept downstream, and I sink initially, | :48:38. | :48:42. | |
and I come right up for a gulp of air. | :48:43. | :48:47. | |
And the second time, I wasn't going to make it. | :48:48. | :48:52. | |
I'm principal lecturer at the University of Hertfordshire. | :48:53. | :48:56. | |
And I was formerly consultant nursing resuscitation | :48:57. | :48:58. | |
I've had some involvement in some ground-breaking research | :48:59. | :49:01. | |
into what is known as the near death experience of patients who have | :49:02. | :49:04. | |
In that research, we conducted interviews with patients who had | :49:05. | :49:12. | |
survived the cardiac arrest, and it's reasonable to say the vast | :49:13. | :49:16. | |
majority of those patients who recovered didn't experience any | :49:17. | :49:20. | |
However, there were a small number of patients who, when interviewed, | :49:21. | :49:34. | |
were able to identify that they had these kind of experiences. | :49:35. | :49:41. | |
What they recalled to me mostly was they had this | :49:42. | :49:45. | |
I've looked up from my feet, and off in the distance is two | :49:46. | :49:53. | |
And within a flash, I woke up in the back of the ambulance. | :49:54. | :50:02. | |
Standing above me was Rebecca, the paramedic. | :50:03. | :50:10. | |
She leant over me in the back of the ambulance. | :50:11. | :50:13. | |
And I watched her come over me, and she tapped the clock. | :50:14. | :50:17. | |
She said "We've had to resuscitate you." | :50:18. | :50:23. | |
I was on the ceiling looking down at my body, | :50:24. | :50:25. | |
And the two nurses were there, and they were calling out to me. | :50:26. | :50:31. | |
But I wasn't outside the hospital, where I thought I was going to go. | :50:32. | :50:39. | |
For some reason, I thought I was going to just be flying out | :50:40. | :50:42. | |
But I was in this incredible golden light, like, I guess, | :50:43. | :50:53. | |
if you could be inside the Sun, that is what it would look like. | :50:54. | :50:56. | |
In the distance, this beautiful, more beautiful | :50:57. | :51:00. | |
than you can imagine, pure, like diamond light shone. | :51:01. | :51:04. | |
And I just started flying towards it, and... | :51:05. | :51:15. | |
And the feeling of that was so much more love than what was | :51:16. | :51:18. | |
Just, like, really feeling it when I talk about it. | :51:19. | :51:23. | |
You realise that the moment of death is the most painless thing. | :51:24. | :51:27. | |
It's the physicality that's the painful experience. | :51:28. | :51:29. | |
The moment of death is the easiest thing, it's absolutely | :51:30. | :51:31. | |
Because once you are physically dead, then you're in this | :51:32. | :51:38. | |
amazing embrace of purity, of peace, of love. | :51:39. | :51:48. | |
Part of what we're trying to do is to understand | :51:49. | :51:50. | |
the scientific basis of how this can happen. | :51:51. | :51:54. | |
How is it that the human mind, when by all known measurable things | :51:55. | :52:01. | |
is able to visually see and record, and store, that memory | :52:02. | :52:11. | |
into their brain, and then recall it some time later, | :52:12. | :52:16. | |
when to all intents and purposes, they were what we would describe | :52:17. | :52:19. | |
So we know that the normal electrical response in the brain | :52:20. | :52:23. | |
stops between 30 and 60 seconds after the heart has stopped. | :52:24. | :52:26. | |
We also know that the oxygen levels stop. | :52:27. | :52:28. | |
We are going to do this work over a very long period of time. | :52:29. | :52:31. | |
And probably in my lifetime, we won't get the answers. | :52:32. | :52:36. | |
I've come around with my nose up on the ceiling tiles. | :52:37. | :52:39. | |
And I felt myself fall backwards into my body. | :52:40. | :52:49. | |
I now have the beautiful side and spiritualism that comes with it, | :52:50. | :52:54. | |
but it has left me with a lot of legacies of the shock and trauma | :52:55. | :52:57. | |
I'm now diagnosed with PTSD, military grade trauma PTSD. | :52:58. | :53:09. | |
I felt myself falling, and kind of wishing I wasn't going back. | :53:10. | :53:15. | |
You just know you're safe, in a way that you can never truly be | :53:16. | :53:30. | |
You feel an all-pervading sense, I suppose you could sum it up | :53:31. | :53:44. | |
as love, but peace would be a much more accurate description. | :53:45. | :53:50. | |
The truth is that we probably just don't know. | :53:51. | :53:52. | |
We don't know exactly at what point in the death | :53:53. | :53:54. | |
process that patients, these people, this 10% of people | :53:55. | :53:58. | |
who have near death experiences, we don't know exactly | :53:59. | :54:00. | |
Being a pragmatic, scientific person, I will take the view | :54:01. | :54:07. | |
that it is about how we interpret the information, how we interpret | :54:08. | :54:13. | |
the data and the lens we view it through, based on our own belief | :54:14. | :54:24. | |
systems, our own knowledge, our own skills and our own experiences. | :54:25. | :54:31. | |
Three people talking about their near death experiences. | :54:32. | :54:36. | |
Next, Russell Dagless was in his lorry .. | :54:37. | :54:38. | |
When he looked out of his window he saw a van.. | :54:39. | :54:43. | |
Banging against the central reservation. | :54:44. | :54:45. | |
he could see he was slumped in his seat. | :54:46. | :54:49. | |
Russell then made a split second decision to do something about it. | :54:50. | :54:52. | |
He got the van in a pincer movement and pinned it against the central | :54:53. | :55:41. | |
reservation, the driver had become unconscious at the wheel. Russell | :55:42. | :55:46. | |
managed to stop the van, and a car following on behind pulled up and | :55:47. | :55:49. | |
paramedics were able to treat the driver of that fan. The Royal Humane | :55:50. | :55:54. | |
Society has given Russell an award for his bravery. Says it was like a | :55:55. | :56:00. | |
scene from an all action movie, you saved the life of the driver and his | :56:01. | :56:04. | |
incredible courage also stopped a pile-up. So he has been awarded the | :56:05. | :56:09. | |
highest life-saving honour. I am delighted to say that Russell joins | :56:10. | :56:10. | |
me now. Russell, just explain what went | :56:11. | :56:17. | |
through your mind when you were driving along and saw what happened | :56:18. | :56:22. | |
with the van. Hello! Just something had to be done. I was just in a | :56:23. | :56:27. | |
position where I was able to do it. I have the correct vehicle for the | :56:28. | :56:33. | |
job. Were you worried or did you just go into action mode? Just went | :56:34. | :56:41. | |
into instinct mode. It was just a natural reaction. No special thought | :56:42. | :56:47. | |
about it. Just, something had to be done and I was the one put in that | :56:48. | :56:52. | |
position. Someone had to do something. So you had seen the van | :56:53. | :57:00. | |
at the head bumping against the central reservation and realised as | :57:01. | :57:04. | |
you began to overtake that it looked as if the driver was unconscious. | :57:05. | :57:09. | |
Describe what happened. I saw the van was out of control so I pulled | :57:10. | :57:13. | |
up on his knee aside because I was in the fast lane up against the | :57:14. | :57:17. | |
barrier. -- pulled up on his near side. From my elevated position I | :57:18. | :57:22. | |
could see into his cab and saw he was collapsed at the wheel, he was | :57:23. | :57:27. | |
resting on the driver's door. Not a lot of sign of movement from him so | :57:28. | :57:31. | |
he was obviously in need of assistance. It has been described as | :57:32. | :57:39. | |
being like something from an action movie. Which, when you see not only | :57:40. | :57:45. | |
what you did that then the others jumping on your trailer to rescue | :57:46. | :57:49. | |
the man inside, that is what it looks like, is that what it felt | :57:50. | :57:55. | |
like? It did not really sort of feel anything at that time, it was just | :57:56. | :57:59. | |
what was necessary at the time. I mean, looking back on it now, I | :58:00. | :58:05. | |
suppose you could class it as something like a film, or what have | :58:06. | :58:09. | |
you but it certainly wasn't staged at the time, I can assure you! I'm | :58:10. | :58:15. | |
sure. You did a great thing. Thank you for joining us. Hope you have a | :58:16. | :58:19. | |
lovely weekend. The same to you at home. Hope you have a lovely | :58:20. | :58:23. | |
weekend, enjoy the sunshine if you have it. | :58:24. | :58:24. |