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It's Monday, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire -

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It's a matter of time before a serving prison officer

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is killed on duty - that's the warning

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from officers working in the Britain's jails right now.

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They've risked their jobs to speak anonymously to us.

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It's only a matter of time before something massive goes off.

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It will get to the stage where a prison

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Our exclusive report in a few minutes.

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The high court is to hear new evidence about Charlie Gard,

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the terminally-ill baby whose parents have taken on Great Ormond

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Street Hospital in an effort to secure experimental treatment

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Judges will examine claims that the proposed treatment

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Theresa May tries to hit the reboot button.

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One year on from moving into Number 10, the Prime Minister is attempting

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to regain political momentum by appealing to other parties

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We will be talking to Damian Green - the First Secretary of State,

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who is effectively her second-in-command.

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Hello, welcome to the programme - we're live until 11am this morning.

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Also, does the accent you have mean people think you are thick?

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This after Angela Rayner, the Shadow Education Secretary,

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was called thick after being on the Andrew Marr Show yesterday.

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Let me know what perceptions people have of you because of

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If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

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The case of the terminally ill 11-month-old boy, Charlie Gard,

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returns to the High Court today, as judges consider new evidence

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relating to potential treatment for his condition.

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An earlier ruling supported the view of his doctors that nothing can be

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done to improve his quality of life, and they should be allowed to switch

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"He's still fighting, so we're still fighting."

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A phrase that Chris and Connie Gard have used many times as they battle

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to keep their baby son Charlie alive.

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We are just two normal, everyday people.

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What is strong is the love we have for our boy.

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If he was lying there suffering, we wouldn't be here now.

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It's a story with another twist today.

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The High Court will look once more at whether or not the 11-month-old

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who was born with a serious genetic condition that doctors say

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mean he will never see, hear, move or speak,

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should be allowed to go to America for experimental treatment.

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So far, the courts have agreed with Great Ormond Street

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condition cannot be improved and he should instead

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But support has grown for the family from all over the world,

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including from President Trump and the Pope.

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And a glimmer of hope when seven specialists

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led by the Vatican Children's Hospital signed a letter saying that

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treatment should be reconsidered following success in conditions

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Chris and Connie handed a petition in to Great Ormond Street

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yesterday with over 350,000 signatures backing them.

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But the hospital has made clear that its position has not changed.

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It will be up to a judge to once again decide

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It will be up to a judge to once again decide if that is true.

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And we will hear from Charlie Gard's mum later in the programme.

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Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

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Theresa May is to call on rival political parties to "contribute

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In her first major speech since the general election,

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the Prime Minister will say her commitment to change

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But with the Conservatives losing their overall majority,

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she'll say the reality she faces means she has to approach

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Labour said Mrs May's speech proved her party had

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The Iraqi prime minister has visited Mosul to congratulate his armed

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forces on their victory over the Islamic State group,

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nine months after they launched the offensive to liberate the city.

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In the capital, Baghdad, people sang and danced on the streets.

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Many areas of Mosul have been reduced to rubble in the fight,

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Iraq is celebrating the defeat of so-called Islamic State in Mosul.

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Homes, streets, shops reduced to ruins and dust.

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It's thought thousands have been killed.

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Some will have been part of IS, others were civilians.

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Search and rescue teams continue to pull bodies from the rubble.

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These families have survived three years under IS.

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Now they're able to leave, following nearly 1 million people

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who've already left their homes here.

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It may be a while until they can return.

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The fighting is ending, but the humanitarian crisis is not.

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It will take months, maybe even years, for the people

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who have fled from their homes, they have lost everything,

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it will take months for them to go back to the damaged neighbourhoos.

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The UN estimates it will cost at least ?770 million to restore

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the city's basic infrastructure, such as clean water and electricity.

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IS still hold territory to the west and south of Mosul,

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Some experts have warned that if gains are not secured properly,

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Although this city is liberated, for these families

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The BBC understands a Government inquiry into the so-called gig

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economy will call for flexible workers to be paid

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The Taylor review, which is due to be published tomorrow,

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will affect firms like Deliveroo and Uber.

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It's expected to argue that additional wages will help to offset

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President Trump says he didn't know his eldest son met a Russian

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lawyer who claimed to have damaging information about Hillary Clinton.

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The New York Times reports Donald Trump Junior met the lawyer -

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who said she had links to the Kremlin - two weeks

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after his father won the Republican nomination last year.

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But Trump junior says the lawyer's statements were vague and nothing

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The European Court of Human Rights is expected to rule on the case

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of a Scottish man fighting the UK's longest extradition case.

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Phillip Harkins, who is originally from Greenock, has been fighting

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extradition to the United States for 14 years.

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The 38-year-old denies murdering a man in a robbery

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If the case at the European Court of Human Rights goes against him,

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he could face trial in America for first degree murder.

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Counter-terror police have launched a film telling holiday-makers how

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to react in the event of a terrorist attack in their resort.

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The four-minute video shows families and hotel staff fleeing

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the sound of gunshots, barricading themselves into rooms

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and being treated as potential suspects by armed police.

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It repeats the advice to run, hide and tell.

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The mother of a British backpacker who was stabbed to death

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in Australia last year has made an emotional

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journey to the place where her daughter died.

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Mia Ayliffe-Chung was killed at a hostel in Queensland.

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Another British traveller, Tom Jackson, died trying to help her.

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Mia's mother Rosie wanted to retrace her daughter's steps,

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and learn more about the welfare of backpackers in Australia.

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Our correspondent Hywel Griffith reports.

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This isn't a journey any parent would want to make.

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10,000 miles from home, Rosie Ayliffe has come to learn

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20-year-old Mia was working in Queensland to gain a visa.

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30-year-old Tom Jackson from Cheshire tried to help her.

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A French national has been charged with their murders.

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The hostel is still open and, without the cameras following her,

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Rosie was allowed to enter and see Mia's room, and the place

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And I sat in a cubicle and I thought about Mia dying in that room.

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And she's gone, you know, and it's tough.

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I knew it would be, but I'm so glad I came,

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But this isn't only about commemoration.

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Rosie wants to meet other backpackers, and learn exactly

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what kind of a life her daughter had here.

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Every year, 200,000 people come to Australia for a working holiday.

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If they want to stay for a second year, then they have to come

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Many, like Mia, come to Queensland, where the farmers use

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the backpackers to pick their fruit and tend their fields.

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An investigation by Australia's fair work ombudsman has found many

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Two thirds say employers take advantage by underpaying them.

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Some have their passports taken away.

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Djuro, from Denmark, has just finished the 88 days

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of rural work needed to gain a second-year visa.

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It was almost like being in prison, rather than being in Australia.

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Treatment will be so bad, you're being pushed to your very limit.

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Now, we're speaking about people working in 40 degrees.

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And to the amount of capacity that you're working,

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one or two months, some people collapse, mentally.

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The Australian Government says it recognises migrant workers

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It has set up a task force, but while she is in the country,

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Rosie is anxious to push for more change.

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We are propping up their agricultural industry

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People are making huge amounts of money out of our backpackers.

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And it's got to stop, really, and, you know,

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But I can feel a fight coming on, I really can.

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It is one which may bring Rosie back to Australia several times,

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to lobby and campaign, and to give Tom and Mia a legacy.

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Firefighters have been tackling a blaze overnight

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at London's Camden Lock Market, which attracts 28 million

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70 firefighters were sent to the scene after the fire broke

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London Fire Brigade says the situation is now under control

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There are no reports of any casualties.

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A Coldplay fan who went to the band's recent concert

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at Croke Park in Dublin became more involved than he expected.

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Rob had been crowd-surfing in his wheelchair when he was

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spotted by lead singer, Chris Martin.

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He was then invited on stage and drew huge cheers from the crowd

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of more than 70,000 people when he brought out

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Rob described his experience as "amazing".

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That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am.

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Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

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use the hashtag Victoria live and if you text, you will be charged

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Your accent - do people think you are more or less intelligent because

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of your accent? We ask because of the Shadow Education Secretary's

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appearance on the Andrew Marr Show yesterday. Somebody treated her and

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said she was thick. She responded and said, it's because of my accent.

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I am proud of it. I am not going to change it. Stop it.

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Let's get some sport now with Leah Boleto.

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It is manic Monday at Wimbledon, Andy Murray Johanna Konta attempting

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to give us a British man and woman in the quarterfinals since how long?

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to the last time Britain had a man and woman in the quarter-finals.

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But Andy Murray and Johanna Konta could make that a reality

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After a day's rest there was a bit of training

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But today, Murray is up against Frenchman Benoit Paire who -

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by the way - hasn't made a grand slam quarter-final, ever!

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Expectations are high for Murray but he is favourite

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All the action on Centre Court at around 3 o'clock today.

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But it's Johanna Konta who holds the first slot on Centre Court this

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afternoon, taking on Caroline Garcia of France - that's at 1 o'clock.

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They've both met four times before, each winning twice, with Garcia

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beating Jo in their most recent clash in March.

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But I'm sure crowds will try their hardest to inspire Jo.

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And given that Britain hasn't had a female quarter-finalist

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since 1984, we can expect quite a party this lunctime.

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Right, cricket. What a few days for Joe Root and England cricketing in

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this Test series. And he gets a victory in his first match as

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England captain, which is fantastic. Yes, a huge win for England

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under Joe Root and a lot The England Captain had

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lots of praise for Ali, who gave a fantastic performance -

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ripping through South Africa's Ali was man-of the-match

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after their 200 and 11 run win. The side won't be changed

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for Friday's Second Of course, this is England's first

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of seven tests with Root in charge for the first time, so a big relief

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for him that it started well. We know they will come back hard,

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but to be 1-0 up, it is the first time we have beaten them for a long

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time. Everything I have said to the lads this week, they have dived into

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and gone about in a brilliant way and made my life a lot easier.

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And of course, Victoria, the win came moments

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a crucial three-run win against Australia in the World Cup.

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The first time they've managed that in 24 years!

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The win puts England in a strong position to qualify

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for the semi-finals as they sit top of the points table.

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And before I go, Victoria, we know record goalscorer

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Wayne Rooney is leaving Manchester United after 13 years

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to return to Everton, where he played as a teenager.

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But he's just admitted that even though he's been wearing

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United's red shirt in the day, he's been slipping into his

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We don't have a picture of the PJs in question, but this

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We are sure sales of pyjamas will get a boost. You don't think they

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are going to bed with a pair of Everton pyjamas? We do have a

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mock-up. We don't know for sure, but we think it was going to bed wearing

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bees. Yes, Colleen is going to say come to bed in your Everton pyjamas!

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We are going to Doctor Sally at 9:30am, she is live at Wimbledon, we

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will be able to check their alarm systems if we are looking like we

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have every morning! First this morning, we're

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going to bring you rare interviews with serving prison officers

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who are speaking out about the reality of life

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inside British prisons. They're risking their jobs just

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by speaking out on this programme. Prisons in Britain

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are feeling the strain. Since 2010, the number of frontline

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prison officers has fallen by some 7000 to 18,000 and budgets

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have been cut severely. In recent months, jails have

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experienced some of the worst rioting in decades as the decline

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in standards has Back in December, riots

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in Birmingham Prison left four Just yesterday, it was announced

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that more than 200 kilos of drugs and 13,000 mobile

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phones had been found Dan Clark Neal's a former

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Metropolitan Police Officer - First of all it is tricky for

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serving prison officers to speak out? It is, I have spoken to a dozen

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in the last six months looking at the issue and we have only managed

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to get three of them to talk to us on camera, which is a massive

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achievement because it is rare for them to talk to us because they are

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concerned they may lose their jobs. The Ministry of Justice really don't

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like prison officers talking to the media. What kind of things were they

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saying? We were looking at four main areas, highlighted from speaking to

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three of them. We are looking at the issue of drugs, which we know was in

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the news again yesterday, we are looking at the issue of violence,

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and staffing and recruitment levels and stress. There are lots of issues

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alongside those ones that we have highlighted, but

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what is really interesting is the three prison officers that we have

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spoken to, they are not speaking to us for their moment of glory, they

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are talking because they want change, they want the prison service

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to change for the better and they are hoping that Ministry of Justice

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will sit up and take notice from what we have done with this film. As

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you would expect, we have protected the identities of the officers who

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have spoken exclusively to us. All the background footage you'll

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see in this film is from the BBC archive and was not shot

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in the prisons these He basically put excrement in a bag

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and ran up behind me and shoved it in my face -

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eyes, nose, mouth. When you join the Armed Forces

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and you're fighting in the battlefield, anything can

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happe - you can survive, you can get killed, you can

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get seriously injured. It's only a matter of time before

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something massive goes off. It will get to the stage

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where a prison officer We've gained incredibly rare

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access to prison officers. They want to speak out

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about the shocking reality We've protected their identities

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for their own safety. This is the life

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of a prison officer - Drugs is a massive,

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massive issue now compared When I first started this,

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what's known as spice, you'd have sort of an incident

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a week, maybe two. Just before I left, you'd have

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three or four a day. You can have somebody who's

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joking about one minute to fighting you in another,

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to having a fit in another. You could have all three

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of those in one episode. There's people within the prison,

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sort of prison life, they've actually lost their lives

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through this spice, regular, regular ambulances called to deal

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with what they call a spice attack. Prisoners are specifically now

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going out and doing a crime to be recalled because they can earn more

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money coming in with drugs, They spoke openly about friends,

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gang members, getting caught for petty crimes,

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receiving sort of two-year sentences because they know when they get

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in there there's quite There were talking about making

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several thousand pounds a month just through selling

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drugs in prison. Officers being assaulted, punched,

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boiling water thrown in their faces. It was just happening

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on a regular basis. Just before I left, we had

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a member of staff who ended up with a broken nose,

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potentional broken finger, I've been assaulted a couple

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of times, and also been injured stopping fights, and I was nearly

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taken hostage once. I've been on the end

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of a bad experience. We attended a cell with

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two prisoners in it. We were dealing with their issues

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when they assaulted us. They used the leg of a metal chair

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to assault myself and my colleagues, You don't know what or who was

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connected to who or what, and you try to do your best at that

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moment in time. I've done some internal damage

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to my shoulder and required He basically put excrement in a bag

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and he ran up behind me and shoved it in my face - eyes, nose,

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mouth. It was the worst

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feeling in the world. Like, we didn't know

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their medical records, I didn't know whether he had HIV,

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hepatitis, which is all carried So the next day I was in

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the hospital having all the tests When you join the Armed Forces

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and you're fighting on the battlefield, anything can

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happen - you can survive, you can get killed, you can

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get seriously injured. The assault rate against

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officers has crept up. But over the last 4-5 years has

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massively increased. So you're getting people

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with broken bones, and mental In my opinion you've

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seen nothing yet. It's literally, it's

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going to boil over very soon. It's only a matter of time before

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something massive goes off. And either a lot of prisoners

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will get hurt, or a lot of prison It will get to the stage

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where a prison officer I was joining a service that

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I was proud to join. So that I could change

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people's lives. As the service changed over

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the years, that has sort of been There's been a big issue

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with retention and recruitment You do recruit good people,

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but they tend to leave very quickly. After the training, it was,

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I think 8-9 weeks training in total, it was just, you're

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on the wings, and that is it. 20 years ago you had

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time with prisoners. Time to engage, time to understand,

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time to try and get them to see that their actions were wrong,

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whereas now we haven't got the staff, we haven't got the time,

:24:00.:24:02.

and we've got prisoners that don't really care about

:24:03.:24:05.

changing their lives. There was a massive sick rate

:24:06.:24:15.

and they 're struggling to cover There were times when,

:24:16.:24:18.

I was sure I wasn't the only one, you're left to lock 64

:24:19.:24:27.

prisoners behind doors. Prisoners issues are not dealt

:24:28.:24:29.

with as quickly as they used to be, that causes frustration among

:24:30.:24:32.

the prisoners and it builds up and sometimes

:24:33.:24:34.

this leads to assaults. Staff get injured,

:24:35.:24:36.

that leads to sickness, When I joined there used to be

:24:37.:24:37.

staff, from ex-army, ex-police, etc. They had the life experience to deal

:24:38.:24:50.

with these people, to talk to them. But young staff coming in don't have

:24:51.:24:54.

these kind of life skills and that's another big failure

:24:55.:24:57.

which causes problems. We're getting officers

:24:58.:25:00.

who are 20, 21 years of age. What experience have

:25:01.:25:06.

they got of life? And they are telling a 40,

:25:07.:25:12.

50-year-old to go behind the door who's probably done

:25:13.:25:15.

ten years already. There's no respect, no authority

:25:16.:25:16.

and there's no discipline. I saw it first hand,

:25:17.:25:18.

prisoners attacked another prisoner with a razor blade over

:25:19.:25:21.

a packet of tobacco. If you're on your own and you see

:25:22.:25:23.

something like that which we did, you could be trying to split

:25:24.:25:26.

15-20 blokes up. Staff have seen it gradually get

:25:27.:25:32.

worse over the period that I've worked there and they leave,

:25:33.:25:35.

they either retire or they leave on medical grounds,

:25:36.:25:39.

because in their eyes they're jumping off a sinking ship,

:25:40.:25:42.

and the new ones are coming on to try and replace the old ones

:25:43.:25:45.

leaving with vast experience. It's just a numbers game

:25:46.:25:48.

for the Government. Honestly, I used to wake

:25:49.:25:51.

up in the morning and And I just hope that at the end

:25:52.:25:53.

of the day I come away in one piece. And then I can go home,

:25:54.:26:05.

forget about it to the next day. When you've got a prisoner

:26:06.:26:09.

threatening to rip your head off, he's going to stab you,

:26:10.:26:15.

he's going to get your kids shot, get your missus shot,

:26:16.:26:18.

you don't know, you don't Up to the time of the incident

:26:19.:26:20.

I was a teetotaller, I didn't drink. When I'm not at work,

:26:21.:26:27.

when I'm on holiday, it's fine. How much are you drinking most days

:26:28.:26:45.

when you are at work? Then we get up the next morning

:26:46.:26:48.

and act as if nothing's wrong. Because you have to put a front on,

:26:49.:27:11.

because if prisoners find out you've got a weakness,

:27:12.:27:14.

they will use it. I don't think people

:27:15.:27:16.

would actually believe that a job If everyone who wanted to leave

:27:17.:27:18.

left, they wouldn't have And I said, you know,

:27:19.:27:31.

if ever I could help I will, and I was just fortunate I could get

:27:32.:27:44.

out, and I have got out. The reason why I took

:27:45.:27:48.

up your invitation to speak up was because I'm hoping that I can

:27:49.:27:50.

change the direction My intention was to expose

:27:51.:27:53.

the problems we're facing and to make it better for the people

:27:54.:27:56.

who want to join. It will be good if the disaster

:27:57.:27:59.

that is looming can be averted. We have this statement from the

:28:00.:28:02.

Ministry of Justice... "In November last year

:28:03.:28:09.

we announced a major overhaul of the prison system,

:28:10.:28:12.

including 2500 extra frontline officers and new measures to tackle

:28:13.:28:14.

violence, drugs and mobile phones. We are continuing to transform our

:28:15.:28:16.

prison estate to close old and dilapidated prisons,

:28:17.:28:19.

and create up to 10,000 new places The Iraqi army says

:28:20.:28:21.

Mosul has been liberated from the so-called Islamic State,

:28:22.:28:44.

but it has come at a price - thousands have been killed and more

:28:45.:28:47.

than 800,000 people And have you been judged for your

:28:48.:28:58.

accent? Angela Rayner was, we are asking you to let us know your

:28:59.:28:59.

experiences. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

:29:00.:29:00.

with a summary of today's news. The case of the terminally-ill baby

:29:01.:29:07.

Charlie Gard is due to return Great Ormond Street Hospital

:29:08.:29:10.

in London has asked judges to consider new evidence relating

:29:11.:29:13.

to potential treatment The courts have previously backed

:29:14.:29:15.

the view of his doctors that nothing can be done to improve his quality

:29:16.:29:19.

of life, and they should be allowed to switch

:29:20.:29:22.

off his life support systems. The Prime Minister is to signal a

:29:23.:29:27.

change in her style of Government, calling for a cross-party consensus

:29:28.:29:28.

on some policy ideas. In her first major speech

:29:29.:29:30.

since the general election, Theresa May will say her

:29:31.:29:36.

commitment to change But with the Conservatives

:29:37.:29:38.

losing their overall majority, she'll say the reality she faces

:29:39.:29:41.

means she has to approach She will call on other parties to

:29:42.:29:43.

contribute, not just criticise. The Iraqi prime minister Haider

:29:44.:29:47.

al-Abadi has congratulated his armed forces on their victory over

:29:48.:29:50.

Islamic State militants in Mosul. It's nine months since government

:29:51.:29:52.

forces launched an attack Much of it has been

:29:53.:29:54.

reduced to rubble. Counter-terror police have launched

:29:55.:30:05.

a film telling holiday-makers how to react in the event of a terrorist

:30:06.:30:07.

attack in their resort. The video shows an attack by gunmen

:30:08.:30:23.

on a hotel and repeat advice to run, hide and tell. Police say there is

:30:24.:30:27.

no evidence of an increased threat this summer.

:30:28.:30:28.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10am.

:30:29.:30:32.

Let's head to Wimbledon now, and talk to Sally Nugent.

:30:33.:30:39.

We look forward to the emergency alarm going off. And it is manic

:30:40.:30:48.

Monday, so come on, Andy Murray and Johanna Konta! We love that moment

:30:49.:30:53.

when the alarm goes off, but who cares? Everybody plays today, that

:30:54.:31:07.

is why we call it manic Monday. Andy Murray will play Benoit Paire. Not

:31:08.:31:14.

everyone has heard of him, but this is potentially a really tough match

:31:15.:31:20.

for Andy Murray. Jo Konta, oh, my goodness, doesn't she look

:31:21.:31:23.

confident? Isn't it interesting how just a week in tennis can change

:31:24.:31:26.

things for her? She felt the love of the Wimbledon crowd last week. She's

:31:27.:31:36.

playing Carolina Garcia, also French, later today. So we have to

:31:37.:31:40.

make a really good hopes, and more than that, Victoria. Go on! You

:31:41.:31:49.

know. Marcus Willis. He is playing in the doubles. Our favourite

:31:50.:31:55.

player. He is such a hero. He is fantastic on social media. A new

:31:56.:32:00.

dad, posted lots of pictures with his cute baby. He has had rough time

:32:01.:32:03.

over the weekend. After that fantastic win other day, on social

:32:04.:32:09.

media people had the cheek to call him a bit overweight. But he

:32:10.:32:13.

responded to it very elegantly, pointing out that actually, he was

:32:14.:32:16.

doing really rather well and into the second week of one of the best

:32:17.:32:19.

tennis tournaments in the world. So we wish Marcus Willis and Jade

:32:20.:32:23.

Clarke well. Before I go, we might have missed the alarm. Lemina let

:32:24.:32:28.

you in on something we don't normally get to see. I don't know if

:32:29.:32:31.

my cameraman can go slightly to my right. This is a briefing going on.

:32:32.:32:42.

This time of day, we have all the Armed Forces, the servicemen and

:32:43.:32:45.

women who come and help at Wimbledon. They get told the order

:32:46.:32:48.

of the day and what is happening, who to look after, who to look out

:32:49.:32:52.

for, which will person is going to be here. So they are talking in

:32:53.:32:56.

hushed tones. We are not allowed to listen. Fair enough, have a good

:32:57.:33:00.

day. Charlie Gard's parents return

:33:01.:33:02.

to the High Court today with new evidence which they hope

:33:03.:33:05.

will save his life. The 11-month-old little

:33:06.:33:08.

boy is terminally ill, having been born with a rare genetic

:33:09.:33:10.

condition which means he can't move His parents have made a number

:33:11.:33:13.

of unsuccessful challenges to a decision to turn off his life

:33:14.:33:19.

support, but Great Ormond Street Hospital has now asked

:33:20.:33:23.

the High Court to look at new evidence about potential

:33:24.:33:25.

treatment for his condition abroad. Charlie's mum, Connie Yates,

:33:26.:33:27.

has been telling Radio 4's Today programme this morning

:33:28.:33:31.

about the treatment they hope There's 18 children

:33:32.:33:33.

currently on the medication. They all have mitochondrial

:33:34.:33:44.

depletion system as well as Charlie, but theirs is caused

:33:45.:33:47.

by a slightly different gene. You're bypassing the normal chemical

:33:48.:33:49.

reactions that happen in the cell. You're going right to the end, which

:33:50.:33:54.

is what the cell normally does, You're giving the body nucleosides

:33:55.:33:58.

and then you're increasing So Charlie should get his

:33:59.:34:01.

strength back, if it works. We've got around a 50% chance of it

:34:02.:34:10.

crossing the blood-brain barrier, so that means getting

:34:11.:34:12.

into his brain, because his He still has brainwaves, but they're

:34:13.:34:15.

slower than they should be. But, yeah, it has a good chance

:34:16.:34:21.

of crossing the blood-brain barrier and that's what the new research

:34:22.:34:25.

is about. We now have seven

:34:26.:34:27.

doctors supporting us. Two from America, two from Italy,

:34:28.:34:29.

one from England and two from Spain. They all specialise in mitochondrial

:34:30.:34:35.

depletion syndrome. At Great Ormond Street

:34:36.:34:40.

they have a lot of specialities under one roof, but they don't have

:34:41.:34:43.

anyone who specialises I know that structural

:34:44.:34:45.

damage is irreversible, although there have been cases

:34:46.:34:52.

where even that is reversible. We expect that the structural damage

:34:53.:34:57.

is irreversible, but I am yet to see something that tells me my son has

:34:58.:35:00.

got irreversible Do you have any sense

:35:01.:35:02.

throughout this process about whether or not

:35:03.:35:05.

he is suffering? I wouldn't be able to sit

:35:06.:35:11.

there and watch my son suffer or be in pain,

:35:12.:35:14.

I promise you that. A lot of people say,

:35:15.:35:16.

"I couldn't do it. He doesn't have the best life

:35:17.:35:18.

at the moment because If he was given a tracheostomy, then

:35:19.:35:26.

we could take him out to the park. We would probably be at home now,

:35:27.:35:33.

but for some reason they think it is in his best interest

:35:34.:35:36.

to keep him on the There are much more

:35:37.:35:39.

comfortable ways. He watches videos on the iPad

:35:40.:35:42.

and stuff like that. If he was suffering,

:35:43.:35:50.

I couldn't do it, I promise you. I think a lot of people

:35:51.:35:53.

think this is wrong. We've got one set of doctors

:35:54.:35:57.

blocking us from going We've now got two hospitals

:35:58.:35:59.

willing to take Charlie, so effectively two sets of doctors

:36:00.:36:04.

that we have been These guys are experts

:36:05.:36:06.

in this field. They've got medical

:36:07.:36:11.

licence to protect. They wouldn't do a treatment that

:36:12.:36:20.

didn't have a chance of working. It always had a chance, but now that

:36:21.:36:23.

chance is being put up to 10%. I think that's a good enough chance

:36:24.:36:27.

to take an oral medication Tomorrow is the 11th, which is three

:36:28.:36:30.

months since the judgment, and that's all we asked

:36:31.:36:36.

for, three months. In all that time, we

:36:37.:36:40.

could have tried it. We could have been having a trial

:36:41.:36:42.

today saying shall Charlie carry Or, you know, is it in his best

:36:43.:36:45.

interest to die now? But yet I am still fighting

:36:46.:36:49.

for the same thing that I have been We can cross to Mark Lobel, who's

:36:50.:36:52.

at Great Ormond Street Hospital. It is the hospital that feels the

:36:53.:37:08.

life-support machine should be switched off that is going back to

:37:09.:37:11.

the same judge at the High Court to look at this potential new evidence?

:37:12.:37:18.

That's right. Of course, it has come after pressure from the parent and

:37:19.:37:21.

from some members of the International medical community that

:37:22.:37:25.

in around four and a half hours' time, as you say, the High Court

:37:26.:37:29.

judges are again going to get a chance to decide what is in the best

:37:30.:37:35.

interests for 11-month-old Charlie, who is behind at the in Great Ormond

:37:36.:37:40.

Street Hospital. He has this rare syndrome, so he has to be helped to

:37:41.:37:46.

breathe. That is just one of the unfortunate characteristics that the

:37:47.:37:51.

parents desperately want to change. As you say, it is actually Great

:37:52.:37:55.

Ormond Street Hospital that have gone forward and found with this new

:37:56.:37:58.

evidence that they have been presented with another reason to ask

:37:59.:38:01.

judges to consider again whether Charlie should have this oral

:38:02.:38:07.

medication. It is only being used by 18 people, 18 children worldwide who

:38:08.:38:09.

have similar, but not the same condition as Charlie. And they are

:38:10.:38:18.

being asked to find out whether Charlie would probably benefit from

:38:19.:38:22.

this. Some people think he has a one in ten chance of benefiting from

:38:23.:38:25.

this treatment and it would make him feel better. If the judges decided

:38:26.:38:29.

that it would, he will be allowed to go to America. But, and there is a

:38:30.:38:36.

big but, there are strict criteria in the UK and the balance of

:38:37.:38:39.

decision-making is very thin. For example, if it was seen as

:38:40.:38:44.

unacceptably harsh, the treatment, or it wouldn't necessarily sustain a

:38:45.:38:48.

child's life for very long, they would not go ahead with it. So it is

:38:49.:38:52.

a tough decision and when they were presented with this decision before,

:38:53.:38:55.

the High Court didn't go through with it. That matters because if

:38:56.:38:58.

they don't go through with it, there is a chance that they would turn off

:38:59.:39:03.

the machines that are keeping the 11-month-old Charlie alive at the

:39:04.:39:10.

moment. Thank you, Mark. The hearing is two o'clock this afternoon but we

:39:11.:39:13.

are not expecting a final decision today. Next to Iraq.

:39:14.:39:17.

Thousands of people killed and injured and more than 800,000

:39:18.:39:20.

left without homes after a long and bloody battle to reclaim

:39:21.:39:22.

the Iraqi city of Mosul from the grips of so-called Islamic

:39:23.:39:25.

Yesterday, Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi declared

:39:26.:39:31.

the country's second biggest city liberated from IS control

:39:32.:39:34.

after they occupied it nine months ago.

:39:35.:39:42.

Once known as an economic and cultural centre of north-western

:39:43.:39:47.

Iraq, Mosul had been home to nearly 2 million people.

:39:48.:39:49.

So what has been left and what does the future hold for the lives

:39:50.:39:52.

of those caught up in the conflict and the city's streets left

:39:53.:39:55.

The BBC's Jonathan Beale is in the heart of the war-torn

:39:56.:40:01.

city, and has witnessed rescue teams searching for survivors

:40:02.:40:03.

Ali says he spoke to his brother on this phone when he was trapped

:40:04.:40:18.

This territory just there is under IS control,

:40:19.:40:38.

just a small parcel of land.

:40:39.:40:43.

The families are making their way through any way they can.

:40:44.:40:47.

And as you can see, they are really desperate.

:40:48.:41:08.

These families said they had little food or water.

:41:09.:41:11.

They've left behind loved ones under rubble.

:41:12.:41:14.

Many will carry the scars of this battle for the rest of their lives.

:41:15.:41:22.

Let's talk now to Raffaello Pantucci, Director of

:41:23.:41:25.

International Security Studies at the foreign affairs think tank

:41:26.:41:27.

From Newcastle we have Dr Ahmed Sabaawi,

:41:28.:41:34.

who was born and raised in Mosul and his parents and brothers

:41:35.:41:37.

In Erbil, which is around two and a half hours' drive from Mosul,

:41:38.:41:43.

is Campbell MacDiarmid, a freelance journalist based in Iraq

:41:44.:41:46.

who has been covering the battle to retake Mosul since it began last

:41:47.:41:49.

from the International Committee of the Red Cross.

:41:50.:41:53.

She was in the city at the end of this week and will be returning

:41:54.:41:56.

And from Mosul we have Stephanie Remion, who is currently

:41:57.:42:00.

working as an emergency coordinator at a hospital in West Mosul

:42:01.:42:03.

Stefanie, tell us about the devastation of the city and about

:42:04.:42:18.

the lives of civilians who have survived this battle? We are located

:42:19.:42:28.

about three kilometres from the last active fighting area, so what I can

:42:29.:42:33.

tell you is not really what is happening on the front line or in

:42:34.:42:38.

the old city right now. But as you said about the civilian patients who

:42:39.:42:43.

arrived to us from the old city, they come with war trauma related

:42:44.:42:49.

injuries such as blast wounds, explosion wounds, Shell wounds,

:42:50.:42:57.

trauma wounds etc. They are in a desperate state. They tell us they

:42:58.:43:01.

have been waiting for days under the rubble until they were able to be

:43:02.:43:10.

brought to a hospital. So it is a world of devastation. Sarah from the

:43:11.:43:19.

Red Cross, Sarah Alzawqari, you were in Mosul last week. What help were

:43:20.:43:29.

you giving to people? I would like to also add that the humanitarian

:43:30.:43:39.

concern is extremely high. Right now, we have a surgical team which

:43:40.:43:43.

was just a kilometre away from the front line and although they have

:43:44.:43:48.

not received many blast injuries in the last couple of days, they have

:43:49.:43:51.

received a lot of people who were under the rubble all who had

:43:52.:43:59.

injuries from unexploded devices. The area is heavily contaminated.

:44:00.:44:03.

Everywhere inside Mosul, you will find bullets. There are families who

:44:04.:44:09.

tried to go back home and soon as they opened the door, there were

:44:10.:44:14.

booby traps. Kids stepped on landmines. And of course, the

:44:15.:44:19.

situation becomes more and more difficult. The help that we have

:44:20.:44:28.

been given, we also know it is important for those who are going

:44:29.:44:31.

back to have access to water. There was a lot of infrastructure that has

:44:32.:44:38.

been destroyed. Thousands of houses, bridges, roads, of course

:44:39.:44:44.

electricity, water plants. It is hard for people to go back with no

:44:45.:44:49.

homes, schools, hospitals or places like that. There is nothing to go

:44:50.:44:55.

back to, especially in areas that have witnessed heavy fighting. Let

:44:56.:45:02.

me bring in Dr Ahmed Sabaawi, because his family is still there.

:45:03.:45:14.

What are they telling you? My family are in a part of the city which has

:45:15.:45:19.

been liberated since January. I have some relatives and friends who have

:45:20.:45:25.

just fled the western part of the city. The situation now is better,

:45:26.:45:37.

but the western part is the old city of Mosul, with old housing, against

:45:38.:45:43.

area. There are more than 20,000 civilians trapped there as hostages

:45:44.:45:49.

and human shields. Our Iraqi army and security forces have done an

:45:50.:45:55.

extraordinary job and they have completed their mission with their

:45:56.:45:58.

heads held high. But the hard work is starting now. There are hundreds

:45:59.:46:05.

of thousands of families in refugee camps. They have lost their lives

:46:06.:46:09.

and their houses. In the city, we have too many children who have

:46:10.:46:17.

found themselves alone because their parents were dead in the war.

:46:18.:46:23.

Let me bring in Campbell MacDiarmid, a freelance journalist covering the

:46:24.:46:30.

battle to retake Mosul. You are in Irbil now, about five Hours Drive

:46:31.:46:34.

away, but in terms of the significance of this, this

:46:35.:46:37.

liberation of Mosul, how significant is it? It is certainly a major

:46:38.:46:42.

victory for the Government of Iraq, it strikes a real deathblow to the

:46:43.:46:49.

notion of Isis as a caliphate that can attract members from overseas,

:46:50.:46:53.

as we saw back in 2014 there were thousands coming to join. But what

:46:54.:46:58.

we've already started to see is that as they lose territory the group is

:46:59.:47:04.

able to revert to insurgent terrorist tactics that we have seen

:47:05.:47:09.

before in Iraq over the last decade. Already in Mosul and liberated areas

:47:10.:47:14.

we have seen suicide bombings, we have seen that further afield in

:47:15.:47:17.

Iraq and I think we can continue to see that overseas as well. Let me

:47:18.:47:21.

bring in Raffaello Pantucci, because you agree with the point Campbell

:47:22.:47:26.

was making, fighters change the way they look, shave their beards, and

:47:27.:47:29.

returned to cause more chaos? I think the point is we have to

:47:30.:47:34.

remember the group we look at now and call so-called Islamic State has

:47:35.:47:37.

been around since the late 90s in one shape or another and since that

:47:38.:47:39.

time it has moved into Iraq in 2002, 2003 and participated

:47:40.:47:54.

in this insurgency against American led forces fighting in the country,

:47:55.:47:57.

and it grew and shrank again in 2008, 2009, when it shrank to the

:47:58.:48:00.

hills and was pushed back. In the wake of the Civil War in Syria it

:48:01.:48:03.

managed to grow the game and grow and grow to the expansive engorged

:48:04.:48:07.

form that we have seen in terms of containing Mosul and Raqqa and now

:48:08.:48:11.

we see it shrinking again. What I think Campbell is pointing out, the

:48:12.:48:15.

group taking back to the hills, going back to the insurgent gorilla

:48:16.:48:20.

model is what we will see, rather than completely disappearing. Could

:48:21.:48:24.

they return to Mosul in a few months? And a lot will depend on

:48:25.:48:26.

what the Iraqi Government in Baghdad needs to

:48:27.:48:42.

reach out to the Sunni people in Mosul and say, we are here for you

:48:43.:48:48.

as well? As we have seen from the pictures there has been incredible

:48:49.:48:51.

devastation, making sure that get put together, making sure people

:48:52.:48:54.

feel that their Government really represents them and is eager for

:48:55.:49:01.

them to be part of Iraq is key to making sure the city is inoculated

:49:02.:49:05.

from so-called Islamic State. We have seen a direct correlation

:49:06.:49:08.

between IS losing some of its territory and terrorist attacks

:49:09.:49:13.

abroad in Manchester, London, Paris, Nice, various other cities, is that

:49:14.:49:19.

going to continue, do you think? I think the intent to launch attacks

:49:20.:49:23.

on the West remains and we have seen it has become incredibly diffuse,

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whereas previously we saw the model of the large-scale attacks like

:49:28.:49:30.

Paris and Brussels, there is still an aspiration in that direction but

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increasingly we are seeing this directive from a distance where

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people are talking to people at of Raqqa and Mosul who are telling

:49:38.:49:40.

them, take a car and mow down some people, do the sorts of things, and

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it becomes part of their message. I think we will see that continue but

:49:46.:49:51.

it will be interesting to see how it develops as a methodology as the

:49:52.:49:54.

group loses territory. Campbell, is it significant the Prime Minister

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there has not declared victory yet? We have seen the Government of Iraq

:49:58.:50:02.

is eager to claim victories, one of the things we have seen throughout

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this campaign is that officers have tended to get a bit premature with

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declarations of victory so I think it is a good thing that he hasn't

:50:11.:50:15.

made a formal declaration yet while there is still fighting on going

:50:16.:50:21.

because that undermines what is a very significant victory and I think

:50:22.:50:25.

we will see that declaration very soon, in the coming one or two days.

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Stephanie, tell our British audience about the conditions you are working

:50:33.:50:40.

game in the hospital where you are? The hospital is in very good shape,

:50:41.:50:46.

of course most of the hospitals have been destroyed during the conflict

:50:47.:50:50.

so the MSF team had to find a place that was correct in terms of

:50:51.:50:59.

structure so that we the could open in good conditions. Today the

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conditions inside the hospital are very good, of course coming everyday

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to the hospital from our base is where we cross the city with houses

:51:13.:51:19.

collapsed in rubble, etc. And Sarah, what kind of things do you need, and

:51:20.:51:24.

your workers, in order to be able to help people on the ground? Of course

:51:25.:51:31.

there are many things that are needed at the moment, it is going to

:51:32.:51:36.

be very difficult for the cities to stand up, it is going to be a very

:51:37.:51:40.

difficult road for the people. They have been traumatised, they left

:51:41.:51:44.

under very difficult situations and heavy bombardment with explosive

:51:45.:51:47.

weapons, being shot at, they have lost a lot of family members on the

:51:48.:51:51.

way, or they don't know what has happened to them. We are on the

:51:52.:51:55.

ground, we are giving everything that we could, whether it is

:51:56.:52:00.

emergency relief all food or medical supplies, even rehabilitation and

:52:01.:52:06.

building water units. It will take a lot of work from everyone. I think

:52:07.:52:09.

one of the biggest challenges as well right now which we and other

:52:10.:52:15.

organisations are going to step into even more is with the dead bodies

:52:16.:52:19.

that are currently, there are thousands of dead bodies in Mosul

:52:20.:52:26.

under the rubble, on the streets, a lot of hospitals are receiving them

:52:27.:52:31.

and it is becoming very hard to transport them, people don't have

:52:32.:52:35.

the correct means and facilities or training to be able to transport

:52:36.:52:39.

them in a dignified manner. And at the same time in a hygienic

:52:40.:52:46.

way. So this is a huge issue, we have been donating tracks for

:52:47.:52:52.

transportation and body bags but a lot more will be needed in the next

:52:53.:52:58.

weeks, especially as the fighting is over. Thank you all very much, we

:52:59.:53:03.

are grateful for your time. Thank you for your messages about

:53:04.:53:08.

the prison system. We brought you exclusive interviews with serving

:53:09.:53:11.

prison officers, which is really rare because they are worried about

:53:12.:53:16.

losing their job. Obviously we disguised their voices. This text

:53:17.:53:19.

from somebody who does not leave their name, as a former female

:53:20.:53:21.

prisoner serving just a short sentence, I stayed in three jails.

:53:22.:53:43.

In every prison mobile phones were on every wing and drugs were more

:53:44.:53:45.

available than outside. I have nothing but respect for all the

:53:46.:53:48.

prison officers who helped me on numerous occasions I encountered

:53:49.:53:50.

officers at the end of their ability to cope and in tears. I could only

:53:51.:53:53.

imagine men's prisons must be worse. We will talk more about the state of

:53:54.:53:55.

British jails after the news and sport, coming up at 10am.

:53:56.:53:59.

Before that, the Shadow Education Secretary Angela Rayner

:54:00.:54:01.

has come under attack, being described as sounding "thick"

:54:02.:54:03.

by some people on twitter after her appearance

:54:04.:54:10.

on the the Andrew Marr Show yesterday morning.

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Let's have a listen to a clip from the programme...

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I believe many working class and part-time and older mature

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There's three things that the coalition government helped

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the Conservatives with that have led to the disastrous

:54:24.:54:25.

Of course you mentioned the hiking of tuition fees,

:54:26.:54:28.

but there was the removal of the maintenance grants.

:54:29.:54:30.

There was the increase in the percentage of loans.

:54:31.:54:33.

They changed it so they couldn't use the base rate of the Bank of England

:54:34.:54:36.

and they upped the percentage that people paid.

:54:37.:54:38.

And of course the threshold of income, meaning more

:54:39.:54:41.

students would pay back more from the beginning as well.

:54:42.:54:44.

The Stockport-born MP, who has been the Member of Parliament

:54:45.:54:46.

for Ashton-under-Lyne since 2015, responded by saying

:54:47.:54:48.

she was proud of her accent and would not be changing.

:54:49.:54:50.

She tweeted, anonymous account attacking my accent again, saying I

:54:51.:54:56.

am sick etc? I will reiterate I am proud of my

:54:57.:54:59.

accent and will not change. In response she was trolled with a

:55:00.:55:02.

variety of tweets including means. We can speak now to Dr Rob Drummond,

:55:03.:55:08.

who is a senior lecturer in linguistics at Manchester

:55:09.:55:11.

Metropolitan University and has written about the abuse levelled

:55:12.:55:14.

at Angela Rayner and her accent. Hello to you, Doctor Rob Drummond.

:55:15.:55:24.

What do you think? I think it is really bad that in this day and age,

:55:25.:55:28.

2017, people are still getting abuse for the way they speak. I think it

:55:29.:55:32.

is great, the way she speaks, more than any other politician she speaks

:55:33.:55:36.

in the same accent as the people she represents, and I think when MPs are

:55:37.:55:40.

being accused of being out of touch with the people they represent, I

:55:41.:55:43.

think this should be celebrated, that she has such a genuine regional

:55:44.:55:49.

accent and she is proud of it. Linda says this, she mistook 11 billion

:55:50.:55:56.

and 100 billion, that is enough for me.

:55:57.:55:58.

Another says, it is nothing to do with her accent. One says, from

:55:59.:56:05.

Newcastle, I have met people who think I am friendly but

:56:06.:56:08.

unsophisticated, as if we still have an outside toilet! There is this

:56:09.:56:12.

prejudice and I think it is really quite bad. If you replace the idea

:56:13.:56:17.

of accent with any other thing to do with people, such as ethnicity,

:56:18.:56:21.

sexuality, gender, Iti replace those kinds of words you would soon

:56:22.:56:26.

realise that it is really not good, it is quite damaging. That is a

:56:27.:56:29.

really fair point. Angela Rayner has a very interesting background,

:56:30.:56:33.

mother of three, her eldest son was born when she was 16, in her first

:56:34.:56:37.

speech to the House of Commons she said a care worker becoming an MP,

:56:38.:56:44.

that is real aspiration for you. Perhaps as the only member of the

:56:45.:56:47.

house who was 16 and pregnant, she was told she would never amount to

:56:48.:56:51.

anything, if only they could see me now. Exactly, she has done really

:56:52.:56:54.

well and I think part of her appeal is that she is so genuine, she is

:56:55.:56:59.

authentic. The way we speak is so much a part of who we are, and she

:57:00.:57:03.

comes across as completely authentic. I think it is great. We

:57:04.:57:08.

also have reverse prejudice in this country, if you speed to posh you

:57:09.:57:19.

will also be criticised and cold online. You can, and to be fair

:57:20.:57:22.

there were politicians who have had that as well, think about Jacob Rees

:57:23.:57:25.

Mogg, who has probably one of the pot used -- poshest RP accent, I

:57:26.:57:28.

remember in his early days I think trying to get elected in Fife, he

:57:29.:57:33.

had no chance. He said as soon as he opened his mouth he realised he was

:57:34.:57:38.

losing votes. It is all to do with how people perceive different

:57:39.:57:43.

positions and different jobs to be, and a Conservative politician

:57:44.:57:46.

generally is seen as having that kind of accent, and that is what is

:57:47.:57:51.

expected, so if somebody is outside that, and similar for Angela Rayner,

:57:52.:57:56.

especially being involved in education, there is a perception of

:57:57.:58:00.

the kind of accent she should have, or traditionally that the

:58:01.:58:03.

post-holder has had, and when something is different from that

:58:04.:58:06.

people get a bit upset about it. Thank you very much, Doctor Rob

:58:07.:58:10.

Drummond from Manchester Metropolitan University.

:58:11.:58:13.

Jackie says, accents should not matter, ability to communicate

:58:14.:58:15.

matters and Angela Rayner communicates well.

:58:16.:58:25.

Stevie Smith says, the irony is that the BBC only ever use posh London,

:58:26.:58:30.

friendly northern Glaswegian accents, the BBC are close minded

:58:31.:58:34.

when it comes to accidents. Another says, your accent is no

:58:35.:58:37.

reflection on your ability to do a job well, there are lots of

:58:38.:58:42.

successful fix sounding people. News and sport on the way. First,

:58:43.:58:44.

let's get the latest weather. The weather on the change today and

:58:45.:58:53.

through the coming days, some suntan on offer but the risk of showers or

:58:54.:58:57.

longer spells the rain and it. To be fresher and more comfortable by

:58:58.:59:02.

night for sleeping and the risk of some breezy conditions as we head to

:59:03.:59:05.

the end of the week. We have low pressure in charge of our weather

:59:06.:59:09.

today, with that it is fairly unsettled, a weather front bringing

:59:10.:59:13.

more persistent rain through tonight but for the rest of today are

:59:14.:59:15.

essentially it is sunshine and showers, some of the showers happy

:59:16.:59:20.

and thundery especially across the south-east, potential for some

:59:21.:59:23.

surface water flooding, elsewhere a day of sunshine and showers. Parts

:59:24.:59:27.

of Northern Ireland and Scotland, an improvement compared with yesterday,

:59:28.:59:32.

still a bit of cloud around, sunny spells, the best of the sunshine

:59:33.:59:36.

across northern parts of Scotland, for much of England a day of

:59:37.:59:38.

sunshine and showers, the showers heavier in the east. Further west,

:59:39.:59:44.

for Wales a day of sunshine and showers, temperatures around 19

:59:45.:59:48.

Celsius, lots of dry weather for Devon and Cornwall and as we head

:59:49.:59:52.

into London we have had become downpours so if you are going to

:59:53.:59:55.

Wimbledon this afternoon the potential for a few showers, 30%

:59:56.:00:00.

chance we could see those showers but also there will be some sunshine

:00:01.:00:04.

to enjoy, temperatures around 24 Celsius. Through tonight the showers

:00:05.:00:08.

will ease and then all eyes to the west, we have another weather front

:00:09.:00:10.

making its way in from the West, heavy rain coming

:00:11.:00:28.

into parts of England and Wales and Northern Ireland, the further south

:00:29.:00:30.

and east you are it is drier and still relatively muddy but still

:00:31.:00:33.

fresh in the North, eight to 13 Celsius across Scotland. Tomorrow

:00:34.:00:35.

and north-south split, northern part enjoying sunny spells but also the

:00:36.:00:37.

risk of showers. Further south we have the rain gradually tracking its

:00:38.:00:39.

way eastwards, heavy pulses likely as well as we go through the day so

:00:40.:00:42.

there will be some rain for Wimbledon tomorrow. Temperatures

:00:43.:00:45.

between 13 to about 21 Celsius. As we head into Wednesday, an

:00:46.:00:49.

improvement, once this weather front clears south-east we can look

:00:50.:00:53.

forward to dry and bright weather, the link pleasant enough in the

:00:54.:00:57.

sunshine but certainly cooler than the last few days, temperatures

:00:58.:00:58.

ranging between 14 to about 22 Celsius. As

:00:59.:01:14.

we head to the end of the week, a mixture of sunshine and showers with

:01:15.:01:16.

the potential for breezy conditions through Thursday and Friday, so keep

:01:17.:01:18.

the sunscreen to hand and you will need your umbrella.

:01:19.:01:22.

We have exclusive access to serving prison officers

:01:23.:01:25.

who say the service is at crisis point and it's "only a matter

:01:26.:01:28.

of time before a prison officer is killed on duty".

:01:29.:01:31.

And I just hope that at the end of the day,

:01:32.:01:34.

Those prison officers have risked their jobs to talk to us.

:01:35.:01:46.

In the next hour, your experiences if you work within the prison

:01:47.:01:52.

service and we will speak to a representative of the Prison

:01:53.:01:55.

Officers Association and a former governor, plus an inmate.

:01:56.:01:56.

The parents of terminally ill baby Charlie Gard say interest

:01:57.:01:58.

in the case by the Pope and Donald Trump have

:01:59.:02:01.

They say they still have hope he will be allowed to travel

:02:02.:02:05.

Theresa May has spent one year as Prime Minister, while some say

:02:06.:02:15.

she is in a precarious position her second in command has

:02:16.:02:18.

this message for the Vonservative MPs trying to get rid of her...

:02:19.:02:21.

What do you say to Conservative MPs who are plotting to get rid of her?

:02:22.:02:25.

I think there is less of this than you would think.

:02:26.:02:27.

I have been around Westminster long enough to know that

:02:28.:02:32.

in July, there is lots of chatter, but I know absolutely that the

:02:33.:02:35.

overwhelming majority of my Conservative colleagues in

:02:36.:02:37.

Parliament are firmly behind the Prime Minister.

:02:38.:02:50.

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:02:51.:02:54.

The case of the terminally ill baby Charlie Gard is due to return

:02:55.:02:58.

Great Ormond Street Hospital in London has asked judges

:02:59.:03:04.

to consider new evidence relating to potential treatment

:03:05.:03:07.

The courts have previously backed the view of his doctors that nothing

:03:08.:03:11.

can be done to improve his quality of life, and they should

:03:12.:03:14.

be allowed to switch off his life support systems

:03:15.:03:19.

Charlie's mum Connie Yates has been telling Radio 4's Today programme

:03:20.:03:22.

about her son. His pulse is nice and settled. He

:03:23.:03:31.

wakes up, he enjoys his tickles. He watches videos on the iPad and stuff

:03:32.:03:36.

like that. If he was suffering, I couldn't do it, I promise you.

:03:37.:03:38.

Theresa May is to call on rival political parties to "contribute

:03:39.:03:41.

In her first major speech since the general election,

:03:42.:03:44.

the Prime Minister will say her commitment to change

:03:45.:03:46.

But with the Conservatives losing their overall majority,

:03:47.:03:49.

she'll say the reality she faces means she has to approach

:03:50.:03:52.

Labour said Mrs May's speech proves her party has

:03:53.:03:55.

"run out of ideas" - a claim rejected by one of her

:03:56.:03:58.

There are huge issues facing this country. Brexit is clearly the

:03:59.:04:11.

overwhelming one, but it is not just that. Theresa May is as ambitious as

:04:12.:04:15.

she ever was with her domestic agenda, which is why this week we

:04:16.:04:18.

will be talking about workers' rights. Later in the year, we will

:04:19.:04:22.

be setting out our new industrial strategy. There is a lot to be done

:04:23.:04:25.

and she is getting on with it and the government is getting on with

:04:26.:04:30.

it. You can hear Victoria's full interview with Damian Green in a few

:04:31.:04:32.

minutes' time. The European Court of Human Rights

:04:33.:04:36.

is expected to rule on the case of a Scottish man fighting the UK's

:04:37.:04:40.

longest extradition case. Phillip Harkins, who is originally

:04:41.:04:43.

from Greenock, has been fighting extradition to the United States

:04:44.:04:45.

for 14 years. The 38-year-old denies

:04:46.:04:47.

murdering a man in a robbery If the case at the European Court

:04:48.:04:49.

of Human Rights goes against him, he could face trial in America

:04:50.:04:54.

for first degree murder. The Iraqi prime minister Haider

:04:55.:04:56.

al-Abadi has congratulated his armed forces on their victory over

:04:57.:05:00.

Islamic State militants in Mosul. It's nine months since government

:05:01.:05:02.

forces launched an attack Much of it has been

:05:03.:05:04.

reduced to rubble. Counter-terror police have launched

:05:05.:05:11.

a film telling holiday-makers how to react in the event of a terrorist

:05:12.:05:13.

attack in their resort. The video shows an attack by gunmen

:05:14.:05:17.

on a hotel and repeat advice to run, The four-minute video shows families

:05:18.:05:30.

and hotel staff fleeing the sound of gunshots,

:05:31.:05:33.

barricading themselves into rooms and being treated as potential

:05:34.:05:35.

suspects by armed police. A Coldplay fan who went

:05:36.:05:37.

to the band's recent concert at Croke Park in Dublin became more

:05:38.:05:40.

involved than he expected. Rob had been crowd-surfing

:05:41.:05:43.

in his wheelchair when he was spotted by lead singer,

:05:44.:05:45.

Chris Martin. He was then invited on stage

:05:46.:05:46.

and drew huge cheers from the crowd of more than 70,000 people

:05:47.:05:49.

when he brought out Rob described his

:05:50.:05:52.

experience as "amazing". Carol from Inverness says, my accent

:05:53.:06:11.

is often taken as being aggressive as well as weigh less intelligent

:06:12.:06:16.

and not educated. Deborah e-mails to say, I got turned down for a job as

:06:17.:06:19.

I was told my voice was not conducive to telesales. So I rang up

:06:20.:06:24.

sales director using my telephone voice and complained about one of

:06:25.:06:28.

their products. At the end of the conversation, I came clean and got

:06:29.:06:32.

the job. I have often been judged on my London accent and I am convinced

:06:33.:06:36.

I have often been misjudged, but that only lasts fleetingly. Kevin

:06:37.:06:41.

says, people will always judge you. If it is not your accent, it is the

:06:42.:06:46.

way you dress or the way you look. I speak five languages and have an

:06:47.:06:50.

accent in each of them. I don't let it bother me. It is what I say that

:06:51.:06:55.

is important. If you're getting in touch, you are welcome.

:06:56.:06:57.

Here's some sport now with Leah Boleto.

:06:58.:07:00.

A big day at Wimbledon today as Andy Murray and Johanna Konta

:07:01.:07:03.

are both fighting for a spot in the quarter-finals.

:07:04.:07:05.

If they do both get through, it'll be the first time

:07:06.:07:12.

Britain's had a man and a woman in the last eight.

:07:13.:07:17.

After a day's rest, there was a bit of training

:07:18.:07:20.

Today Murray is up against Frenchman Benoit Paire,

:07:21.:07:26.

who hasn't made a grand slam quarter-final, ever!

:07:27.:07:28.

Expectations are high for Murray, but he's favourite

:07:29.:07:30.

All the action on Centre Court at around 3 o'clock today.

:07:31.:07:36.

But it's Johanna Konta who holds the first slot on Centre Court this

:07:37.:07:40.

afternoon, taking on Caroline Garcia of France - that's at 1 o'clock.

:07:41.:07:42.

They've both met four times before, each winning twice, with Garcia

:07:43.:07:45.

beating Jo in their most recent clash in March.

:07:46.:07:54.

And given that Britain hasn't had a female quarter-finalist

:07:55.:07:56.

since 1984, we can expect quite a party this lunchtime.

:07:57.:07:58.

Cricket now, because Joe Root's first test since taking over

:07:59.:08:01.

from Alastair Cook ended in a 211 run victory at Lords.

:08:02.:08:05.

Man of the match Moeen Ali gave a fantastic performance, ripping

:08:06.:08:08.

The side won't be changed for Friday's Second

:08:09.:08:11.

We know they are going to come back hard at Trent Bridge and we will

:08:12.:08:27.

have to play well. But to be 1-0 up, it is the first time we have beaten

:08:28.:08:30.

them here for a long time. Everything I have asked of the lads

:08:31.:08:34.

this week, they have dived straight into and have gone about in a

:08:35.:08:41.

brilliant way and made my life a lot easier.

:08:42.:08:42.

The win came moments after England's women got a crucial three-run win

:08:43.:08:45.

the first time they've managed that in 24 years!

:08:46.:08:52.

The win puts England in a strong position to qualify

:08:53.:08:54.

for the semi-finals as they sit top of the points table.

:08:55.:09:01.

And finally, Wayne Rooney is leaving Manchester United after 13 years

:09:02.:09:04.

to return to Everton, where he played as a teenager.

:09:05.:09:07.

The striker says that winning a trophy with Everton "would be

:09:08.:09:09.

And he's just admitted that even though he's been wearing

:09:10.:09:14.

United's red shirt in the day, he's been slipping into his Everton

:09:15.:09:17.

I actually have been wearing pyjamas at home with my kids. I have to keep

:09:18.:09:36.

that a bit quiet. But it's great. We don't have a picture of the PJs

:09:37.:09:44.

in question, but this is what we think

:09:45.:09:47.

they might look like. Victoria, you're not sure

:09:48.:09:50.

they'd get past Coleen, Assaulted by having excrement

:09:51.:09:52.

stuffed in your face, inmates out of control on drugs

:09:53.:10:09.

and a work life so stressful, you drink a bottle of spirits

:10:10.:10:12.

a day to escape. Just a few of the things serving

:10:13.:10:14.

prison officers have exclusively They're risking their jobs

:10:15.:10:17.

just by speaking to us. Since 2010, the number of frontline

:10:18.:10:22.

prison officers has fallen by some 7,000 to 18,000 and budgets have

:10:23.:10:25.

been cut severely. In recent months, jails have

:10:26.:10:27.

experienced some of the worst rioting in decades as the decline

:10:28.:10:32.

in standards has Around 240 prisoners were moved

:10:33.:10:34.

off the site after 12 And just yesterday, it was announced

:10:35.:10:40.

that more than 200 kilos of drugs and 13,000 mobile

:10:41.:10:50.

phones had been found It's very rare for serving prison

:10:51.:10:52.

officers to speak out - they spoke to Dan Clark Neal,

:10:53.:10:56.

who's a former We've protected the identities

:10:57.:10:58.

of the officers who've spoken We played you Dan's

:10:59.:11:01.

full film earlier - here's a short version

:11:02.:11:05.

before we speak to various All the background footage

:11:06.:11:08.

you'll see in this film is from the BBC archive

:11:09.:11:11.

and was not shot in the prisons Drugs is a massive,

:11:12.:11:14.

massive issue now compared They spoke openly about friends,

:11:15.:11:21.

gang members, getting receiving sort of two

:11:22.:11:30.

year sentences because they know when they get in there

:11:31.:11:41.

there's quite a strong drug feed. There were talking about making

:11:42.:11:44.

several thousand pounds a month just through selling

:11:45.:11:47.

drugs in prison. Prisoners are specifically

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now going out and doing a crime to be recalled

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because they can earn more money coming in with drugs,

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mobile phones and SIM cards. That never

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happened 20 years ago. Just before I left

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we had a member of staff who ended up with a broken

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nose, potentional broken finger, Excrement thrown in my face,

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he basically put excrement in a bag and he ran up behind me and shoved

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it in my face, eyes, nose, mouth, it was the worst feeling

:12:24.:12:26.

in the world, like, we didn't know their medical

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records, I didn't know whether he had HIV, hepatitis,

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which is all carried So the next day I was in

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the hospital having all the tests When you join the Armed Forces

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and you're fighting on the battlefield, anything can

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happen, you can survive, you can get killed, you can

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get seriously injured. After the training, it was, I think,

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eight to nine weeks' It was just, you're

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on the wing, and that is it. We are getting officers who are 20,

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21 years of age, what And they are telling a 40,

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50-year-old to go behind the door? Who's probably done

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ten years already. There's no respect, no authority

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and there's no discipline. There's been a big issue

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with retention and recruitment You do recruit good

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people, but they tend to Honestly, I used to wake up

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in the morning and feel And I just hope that

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at the end of the day When I'm not at work,

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when I'm on holiday, it's fine. How much are you drinking most days

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when you are at work? Then we get up the next morning

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and act as if nothing's wrong. Let's speak now to David Todd from

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the Prison Officers Association, Jonathan Robinson, who served 17

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weeks of a 15 month sentence in 2011 and John Attard, who spent seven

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years as governor at Holloway and is from the Prison

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Governors' Association. David, how do you react to this kind

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of insight? Unfortunately, it is nothing new. There has been a rise

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in assaults on prison staff and a rise in assaults on prisoners. Until

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last December, there were 344 deaths in custody. Prison officers have to

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deal with this. They have to deal with the violence. It takes its

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toll. There is a massive rise in post-traumatic stress disorder

:15:23.:15:27.

amongst my members. An officer on his own to close up more than 60

:15:28.:15:33.

prisoners. Is that the normal or is that unusual? In some of the inner

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London jails, you will have more than that. You will have two menace

:15:37.:15:41.

of staff looking up 160 prisoners and trying to control that many with

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two staff is asking the impossible. Is it asking the impossible, as a

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prison governor? I think it is, the crisis we are referring to right now

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is something the Prison Officers' Association was sensitive to a

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number of years ago and most people will be well be called for an

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independent public inquiry last year at our annual conference into the

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crisis prisons are in, and David refers to the statistics, but the

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statistics we are hearing are actually not completely relevant,

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the statistics we need to look at are those that go back five years

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when the austerity cuts first kicked in. If we look at serious assaults

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on staff, it is close to 200%, the increase. If we look at a

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self-inflicted deaths in custody, the increase is something like 117%.

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The figures are proud so simply going back 12 years is an irrelevant

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figure, it is just a Canada reference, not a real reference.

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So, when the Government says, amongst other things, they are

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spending a lot of money and employing an extra 2500 prison

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officer is, new measures to tackle violence, drugs and mobile phones,

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how is that going, in your eyes? Anything the Government do to

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improve things is welcome but the fact is over the last five years

:17:09.:17:11.

around 900 million, nearly ?1 billion was stripped out of prisons,

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we lost 7000 prison officers and 5000 prison governors. What we are

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looking at right now is the tip of the iceberg and if we are going to

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seek a different it is going to need a bigger push. We talked about

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public sector pay, who wants to be a prison officer or prison governor

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when we have had seven years of capped pay? It is not an attractive

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environment to work in. Jonathan, from your point of view, tell our

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audience about the number of mobile phones inside jails, the level of

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drugs inside jails. Well, Dan's film is the tip of the iceberg. I served

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a fully justified very short sentence in 2011, so that makes me

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an expert. I remember meeting a young man in his early 20s and he

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said to me, I have been put in here on purpose to make money, and I took

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that with a pinch of salt. But now I don't doubt him, because I've met so

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many people, I'd visit prisons a lot, get searched very rarely when I

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go into them, and young people are getting themselves deliberately

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recalled all put in custody deliberately to make money, and they

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enter prison with drugs about their person. When I arrived at HP Bedford

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in July 2011 we were about six people, we were searched, but not

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one of us were invited to sit in the chair, which was a machine in place

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that I now know if you sit in it it will detect whether you have

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something about your person. The prisons system, whilst I am

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extremely grateful to compassionate prison officer is, the prison

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system, you are parachuted in, quite justifiably, is a den of apathy and

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missed opportunity for sorting people out once we had got them in

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custody. Believe it or not, so many young people in jail want to turn

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their lives around, but we're doing hardly anything with them. When you

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meet a young person in his early 20s who tells you he is serving his

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ninth prison sentence, the pennies start to drop that we are not doing

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enough with folk once we have got them, and the standard

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administration responds off, we are employing 2500 more staff, is just a

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joke. It is not going to cut it? In terms of searches, are you going to

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tell me it is impossible to search everyone visiting the jail or sit

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them in the bass chair because they're not staff? Unfortunately

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that is the current situation. Sorry to interrupt, but if you don't serve

:20:03.:20:05.

everyone then for those officers it will create more problems inside the

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jail? It will, and unfortunately the public are only being made aware

:20:16.:20:19.

because prison officers and my union, the POA, had a protest which

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we stayed out on the streets and had it. I know they have never taken

:20:24.:20:33.

steps like that but we have highlighted things with the public

:20:34.:20:37.

through our actions. If we had enough prison offices in post we

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could search properly. Searching strategies at the minute are

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laughable. From your view from the inside, Jonathan, what would you

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change? Would you give prisoners mobile phones? No, I would start to

:20:49.:20:55.

utilise better the time in prison, at the moment purposeful activity

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has only risen 1% in five years. Being brave and giving mobile phones

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and tablets would be too much for the very right wing. I would like to

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see a full working day for inmates, including training. There is a

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wonderful example of how this works, a charity or prison restaurants, on

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Friday every single one of their restaurants around the country was

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number one on trip advisor. Prisoners who have been through the

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scheme, the reoffending rate is only 6%. Compared to two thirds of

:21:29.:21:33.

reoffending broadly? If that is not a template for using prison time

:21:34.:21:37.

purposefully, I don't know what is. And the food is yummy! First of all,

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can you imagine governors staging a protest by the prison officers did?

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It is not something that we would contemplate but bearing in mind it

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is against the law for us to take industrial action, but I do get a

:21:54.:21:58.

sense, and the PGA gets the sense that feeling at the moment is the

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lowest I have ever known it. What has happened is depressing, we talk

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about what should happen now to make things better, we need to take

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prisons say. It is important to not speak in generic terms, there are

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some prisons that are doing very well but it is large local prisons

:22:16.:22:19.

where we are struggling and if we want prison to be a better place, it

:22:20.:22:24.

has to be said for, and in order for that you need more staff to be able

:22:25.:22:28.

to do that, including prison governors. And would you back what

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Jonathan is suggesting, and meaningful, proper working day to

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try and cut the reoffending rates? You can only have a reasonable

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working day it you put enough staff... Oh, yes, absolutely. Having

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said that, most of my sentence was in an open prison where we had a

:22:46.:22:49.

tennis court, very few staff in an open prison. We talk about more

:22:50.:22:52.

money possibly being required, in my open prison we all sat about

:22:53.:22:57.

sunbathing. I had been trained by the system to teach if it would

:22:58.:23:00.

prisoners to read, a private education company that you are

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paying for banned the scheme, so is it that the justice system needs

:23:07.:23:11.

more money, or do they need to spend the money more wisely? Some

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contracts are in their millions. An e-mail, I have worked as a probation

:23:18.:23:21.

officer in prisons for some years, experienced older staff are

:23:22.:23:24.

essential to maintaining the necessary discipline and rapport

:23:25.:23:27.

with inmates. Martin on e-mail says, the biggest

:23:28.:23:31.

problem for prison officers is savage cuts since 2010 and it is a

:23:32.:23:35.

matter of time until we have a catastrophe.

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This text says, prison officers are very well paid in recognition of

:23:39.:23:41.

what they may have to do in the course of their work.

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Mohammed on e-mail says, I feel for these offices, I am ex-police and I

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know exactly what they are going through.

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Thank you very much all of you for coming on the programme.

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A year ago, Theresa May was taking over as Prime Minister in the wake

:23:55.:23:57.

She enjoyed positive personal poll ratings and opened up

:23:58.:24:01.

12 months later, and after a disastrous election

:24:02.:24:06.

she didn't need to hold but decided to anyway, how different it

:24:07.:24:09.

all looks, with many in her party asking when -

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Let's take a look back at her eventful year in charge.

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Brexit means Brexit, and we are going to make a success of it.

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I have just been to Buckingham Palace, where Her Majesty The Queen

:24:25.:24:31.

has asked me to form a new Government,

:24:32.:24:33.

If you're just managing, I want to address you directly.

:24:34.:24:37.

The Article 50 process is now under way.

:24:38.:24:42.

And, in accordance with the wishes of the British people,

:24:43.:24:44.

the United Kingdom is leaving the European Union.

:24:45.:24:46.

The only way to guarantee certainty and stability for the years ahead

:24:47.:24:49.

is to hold this election and seek your support

:24:50.:24:52.

Nothing has changed, nothing has changed.

:24:53.:25:02.

The Conservative Party has won the most seats

:25:03.:25:05.

and probably the most votes, then it will be incumbent on us

:25:06.:25:11.

to ensure that we have that period of stability, and that is exactly

:25:12.:25:14.

Damian Green is the first Secretary of State and what of Theresa May's

:25:15.:25:36.

closest allies. I spoke to him earlier and he began by defending

:25:37.:25:39.

Mrs May against claims she is a lame-duck Prime Minister.

:25:40.:25:41.

She's not a lame-duck Prime Minister.

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She is still full of ideas, full of determination.

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Well, she has a parliamentary majority.

:25:49.:25:51.

But even your own Conservative backbenchers and some former senior

:25:52.:25:56.

Cabinet ministers are apparently plotting to get rid

:25:57.:25:58.

The first duty of the Government is to make sure it passes

:25:59.:26:06.

the Queen's Speech legislation, which means we have got

:26:07.:26:08.

a legislative programme for the next two years.

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Absolutely, she and the Government have the authority to put that

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OK, what do you say to Conservative MPs who are plotting

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I think there is less of this than you would think.

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I've been around Westminster long enough to know that in July

:26:30.:26:34.

there's lots of chatter, but I know absolutely

:26:35.:26:36.

that the overwhelming majority of my Conservative

:26:37.:26:38.

colleagues in Parliament are firmly behind the Prime Minister.

:26:39.:26:41.

And for those who aren't, because you say an overwhelming

:26:42.:26:44.

majority of colleagues are behind her, meaning some aren't,

:26:45.:26:46.

for those who aren't, what do you say to those

:26:47.:26:48.

who are plotting how to get rid of her?

:26:49.:26:51.

I'd say that the Conservative Party won most seats and most votes

:26:52.:26:54.

at the general election and that everyone now should get

:26:55.:26:59.

on with the job that the country has given us, which is running this

:27:00.:27:03.

country in the way that meets our Conservative principles.

:27:04.:27:09.

There are a lot of issues that we face, not just Brexit

:27:10.:27:12.

What the people of this country want is a Government that

:27:13.:27:17.

Well, that's always a sensible view that we have.

:27:18.:27:24.

There is, I think, no public desire for another election.

:27:25.:27:32.

The Government is getting on with that job.

:27:33.:27:39.

There are serious issues facing this country,

:27:40.:27:44.

and it's time for all MPs to knuckle down to work

:27:45.:27:47.

to contribute what they can, to set their ideas,

:27:48.:27:49.

This Government is getting on with doing it and it deserves

:27:50.:27:58.

We will talk to two people about her first year in a moment, but let me

:27:59.:28:13.

bring you this news, British man Philip Parkins, wanted for murder in

:28:14.:28:18.

the United States, has lost his long-running battle against

:28:19.:28:21.

extradition, he had a final appeal to the European Court of Human

:28:22.:28:24.

Rights in Strasbourg, he has lost that which means he will be

:28:25.:28:27.

extradited to the United States to face trial for murder. We will bring

:28:28.:28:31.

you more reaction to that in the next half an hour of the programme.

:28:32.:28:33.

Let's talk to Joey Jones, who was Mrs May's spokesman

:28:34.:28:36.

when she was Home Secretary but didn't follow her

:28:37.:28:38.

And Kate Maltby, who helped set up Bright Blue, a Conservative

:28:39.:28:41.

think-tank that campaigns for a more modern, compassionate Tory Party.

:28:42.:28:50.

How is that going, Kate? We're getting there. Jerry Jones, how

:28:51.:28:59.

would you assess her first year as Prime Minister? It brought back some

:29:00.:29:02.

memories watching that montage, lots of things in that which one would

:29:03.:29:07.

not have expected to play out in the way that they did. I don't think any

:29:08.:29:12.

of us would imagine we would wake up to hear that Theresa May was

:29:13.:29:15.

reaching out to the hand of friendship, if you like, to a Labour

:29:16.:29:20.

Party led by Jeremy Corbyn, as seems to be the case at the moment,

:29:21.:29:24.

suggesting a new spirit of consensual and grown-up politics,

:29:25.:29:30.

Dominic Greene saying that there was space for dialogue between the two

:29:31.:29:35.

parties. That is only a few weeks after she opened and concluded a

:29:36.:29:40.

successful dialogue with the unions in Northern Ireland which are

:29:41.:29:42.

obviously a very different kettle of fish, so it is quite a lot that she

:29:43.:29:46.

seems to feel she can juggle and manage from a position that I think

:29:47.:29:50.

we all agree is not a strong one at the moment. What do you think of

:29:51.:29:54.

that, Kate, this appeal to her opponents to contribute. Just

:29:55.:30:01.

criticise? Any Prime Minister should be using Parliament as a place to

:30:02.:30:05.

really debate the ideas of the moment, that is why we send a wide

:30:06.:30:09.

range of representatives, but I'm afraid this all sounds rather hollow

:30:10.:30:12.

from a Prime Minister who just a few months ago, you showed it on the

:30:13.:30:16.

screen, was standing up talking about those who were trying to

:30:17.:30:19.

undermine Brexit, blocking the will of the people. You remember the big

:30:20.:30:23.

Daily Mail headline, crush the saboteurs. That is not quite what

:30:24.:30:27.

Theresa May said herself but you of all people will know Theresa May has

:30:28.:30:30.

very close links to the Daily Mail, or certainly had then. You cannot go

:30:31.:30:41.

from talking about crushing the saboteurs in Parliament to turning

:30:42.:30:43.

around and embracing your opponent in the spirit of constructive debate

:30:44.:30:45.

the next. There are so many reasons to be sceptical about this proposed

:30:46.:30:48.

course of action. Theresa May has a history of being able to work in a

:30:49.:30:51.

consensual way with people across the divide in Parliament, actually

:30:52.:30:55.

when I was in the Home Office there was a big effort to bring people on

:30:56.:31:00.

board for the IP bill that was going through, is very complicated bill

:31:01.:31:03.

described by some as the snooper's charter, and that was an issue where

:31:04.:31:08.

there was a lot of haggling, a lot of talk with people who you would

:31:09.:31:12.

not have expected her to be talking to, but this is different, this is

:31:13.:31:18.

on a different scale. Yes, because she had power as Home Secretary,

:31:19.:31:22.

potentially has she got less power as Prime Minister? Broadly speaking,

:31:23.:31:25.

for that proposal, although contentious, there was a

:31:26.:31:29.

Parliamentary majority for the taking. Here, if you look at it

:31:30.:31:32.

temperamentally and tonally, it is so bar out of the comfort zone for

:31:33.:31:36.

Theresa May that it feels like a different planet and in terms of the

:31:37.:31:39.

substance is there very much that she and Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party

:31:40.:31:44.

agree on? Well, the interview was a bit longer with that and I went

:31:45.:31:48.

through some other things parties might contribute and nothing that

:31:49.:31:51.

the Conservative Party would agree with. But on that subject of whether

:31:52.:31:55.

she can reach across the aisle, she at least, by the very fact she has

:31:56.:32:00.

appointed Damian Green as first Secretary of State, he is going out

:32:01.:32:04.

on all of the TV programmes as her human shield, he is the minister

:32:05.:32:07.

always sent out to absorb bad press for Theresa May. That should remind

:32:08.:32:14.

us that Theresa May is at least capable of having close allies who

:32:15.:32:18.

actually come from very different ideological backgrounds. Damian

:32:19.:32:20.

Green is associated with the left of the party, he is privately very

:32:21.:32:26.

pro-Britain's relationship with the EU but they have forged a very close

:32:27.:32:30.

working relationship over years of mutual respect in the Home Office,

:32:31.:32:34.

where he was her junior, and what that should remind us is that there

:32:35.:32:37.

is not really a Theresa May doctrine, there is no such thing as

:32:38.:32:42.

Mayism. And there may not be time for it if, come the Conservative

:32:43.:32:46.

Party conference in September, a few Conservatives get together and

:32:47.:32:50.

decide to organise some kind of leadership contest? The end could be

:32:51.:32:55.

tomorrow, next week, next month, next year, nobody can predict, it is

:32:56.:32:58.

in the hands of the Conservative Party. One of the key thing is they

:32:59.:33:01.

will be thinking is, what does Theresa May still stand for? So much

:33:02.:33:05.

has had to be jettisoned and if you look at the areas where there is

:33:06.:33:10.

cross-party agreement, there was an article yesterday jointly signed by

:33:11.:33:14.

Ed Vaizey and Rachel Reeves in the TelegraphConservative and one

:33:15.:33:19.

Labour. And that was trying to pick an area where Theresa May has dug in

:33:20.:33:24.

her heels, the European Court of Justice, so there is potential

:33:25.:33:28.

agreement there but only chipping away still further from what the

:33:29.:33:31.

Prime Minister stood for. How long did you work for her? The blink of

:33:32.:33:36.

an eye, three months and then 12 hours in Downing Street.

:33:37.:33:44.

Could she show compassion? Definitely. Thank you both. Still to

:33:45.:33:52.

come: It's been the UK's longest ever

:33:53.:33:53.

extradition battle - but now Philip Harkins has

:33:54.:33:55.

lost his fight to avoid extradition to the US -

:33:56.:33:58.

we'll hear from the family of the man he is

:33:59.:34:00.

accused of killing... Another chance for the

:34:01.:34:02.

terminally-ill baby Charlie Gard. With a judge due to examine renewed

:34:03.:34:11.

claims the proposed treatment We speak to our Health

:34:12.:34:13.

Correspondent Fergus Walsh. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

:34:14.:34:16.

with a summary of today's news. A British man wanted for murder

:34:17.:34:19.

in the United States has lost his long-running legal

:34:20.:34:22.

battle against extradition Phillip Harkins, who is originally

:34:23.:34:25.

from Greenock, has been fighting extradition to the United States

:34:26.:34:28.

for 14 years. The 38-year-old denies

:34:29.:34:31.

murdering a man in a robbery this morning, the European Court of

:34:32.:34:48.

Human Rights said his rights would not be breached if he were jailed

:34:49.:34:49.

for life in Florida. The case of the terminally ill baby

:34:50.:34:50.

Charlie Gard is due to return Great Ormond Street Hospital

:34:51.:34:53.

in London has asked judges to consider new evidence relating

:34:54.:34:56.

to potential treatment The courts have previously backed

:34:57.:34:58.

the view of his doctors that nothing can be done to improve his quality

:34:59.:35:03.

of life, and they should be allowed to switch

:35:04.:35:05.

off his life support systems The Prime Minister is to signal a

:35:06.:35:14.

change in her style of government, calling for cross-party consensus on

:35:15.:35:19.

ideas. In her first speech since the general election, Theresa May will

:35:20.:35:23.

say her commitment to change Britain is undimmed, but she will say the

:35:24.:35:27.

reality she faces means she has to approach politics differently. She

:35:28.:35:30.

will also call on other parties to contribute, not just criticise.

:35:31.:35:34.

The government has said it's determined to tackle failings

:35:35.:35:36.

in the prison service, after it was revealed that

:35:37.:35:38.

since 2010, the number of frontline prison officers has fallen by some

:35:39.:35:41.

7,000 to 18,000 and budgets have been cut severely.

:35:42.:35:43.

Two prison officers have spoken to this programme

:35:44.:35:49.

about the reality of working inside prisons in England

:35:50.:35:51.

and Wales in order, they say, to expose the problems and violence

:35:52.:35:54.

I was punched and then had excrement thrown in my face. He basically put

:35:55.:36:09.

excrement in a bag, and he ran up behind me and shoved it in my face,

:36:10.:36:15.

eyes, nose, mouth. It was the worst feeling in the world. We don't know

:36:16.:36:18.

their medical records. I didn't know whether he had HIV, hepatitis, which

:36:19.:36:27.

is all carried in human waste. So the next day, I was in the hospital

:36:28.:36:31.

having all the tests to see if I had contacted anything.

:36:32.:36:32.

That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC

:36:33.:36:34.

Here's some sport now with Leah Boleto.

:36:35.:36:40.

Andy Murray and Johanna Konta are both fighting for a spot

:36:41.:36:48.

If they do both get through, it'll be the first time

:36:49.:36:56.

that Britain's had a man and a woman in the last

:36:57.:37:02.

Joe Root's first test since taking over from Alastair Cook ended

:37:03.:37:06.

in a 211 run victory over South Africa at Lords.

:37:07.:37:10.

Meanwhile, England's women have ended a 24 year wait

:37:11.:37:12.

for a World Cup win over Australia, thanks to a three

:37:13.:37:15.

It puts them in a strong position to reach the semis.

:37:16.:37:19.

And Wayne Rooney is leaving Manchester United after 13 years

:37:20.:37:21.

to return to Everton, where he played as a teenager.

:37:22.:37:25.

The striker says that winning a trophy with Everton "would be

:37:26.:37:28.

He's also just admitted that even though he's been

:37:29.:37:34.

wearing United's red shirt in the day, he's been slipping

:37:35.:37:36.

Next, we're talking tuition fees in England and mounting pressure

:37:37.:37:46.

on the government to rethink the student loans system

:37:47.:37:48.

which according to one report we brought you last week can leave

:37:49.:37:52.

students with a debt of more than ?50,000

:37:53.:37:53.

We're joined now by Lord Andrew Adonis, a former education

:37:54.:37:57.

minister for Labour, who came up with the tuition fee

:37:58.:38:00.

idea, and who now says they should be scrapped altogether.

:38:01.:38:07.

Paul Howden was a mature student who reckons he'll have

:38:08.:38:12.

about ?60,000 worth of debt, but still think tuition

:38:13.:38:14.

Rory Hughes is about to graduate in two weeks and thinks he'll have

:38:15.:38:19.

We're also joined by the head of the National Union

:38:20.:38:22.

of Student Shakira Martin - who wants an urgent review

:38:23.:38:25.

Let's begin with you, Lord Adonis. How have you had this incurable

:38:26.:38:32.

change of heart from the man who was the architect of these fees to

:38:33.:38:36.

saying they should be abolished? I haven't had a change of heart. We

:38:37.:38:40.

introduced fees at ?3000, with no real rate of interest. What happened

:38:41.:38:44.

in 2010 when the government changed was that David Cameron and Nick

:38:45.:38:51.

Clegg increased the fees from ?3000 to ?9,000. And from no real rate of

:38:52.:38:56.

interest, they have gone to a 6% real rate of interest. It is not

:38:57.:39:04.

sustainable. That is why people have debts of ?50,000. Even introducing

:39:05.:39:09.

?3000 with a very low interest rate, you know the way it is going to go.

:39:10.:39:14.

It is only going to go up. That is untrue. We gave a commitment that

:39:15.:39:18.

the fees would not increase beyond the rate of inflation. That is what

:39:19.:39:22.

we would have done if we had stayed in government in 2010. Of course, no

:39:23.:39:26.

government can be responsible for what its successor does. But

:39:27.:39:31.

students were not happy at the time with ?3000. But they accepted the

:39:32.:39:36.

system. They did not accept the principle. We did not have massive

:39:37.:39:42.

campaigns against. People thought it was fair. Is that right, Shakira?

:39:43.:39:50.

Did undergraduates accept the principle? I think students want

:39:51.:39:55.

free and accessible education, so anything that is a barrier to

:39:56.:40:00.

that... But the increase over the last few years has been a big issue

:40:01.:40:04.

and that has got students really angry. Let's bring in Rory. How much

:40:05.:40:15.

debt do you think you will have by the time you graduate? Roughly

:40:16.:40:21.

?35,000 without calculating interest, and interest will start

:40:22.:40:23.

accumulating while you are still studying and while you are still

:40:24.:40:27.

paying it off, so it will probably end up in excess of ?45,000. And do

:40:28.:40:33.

you think that is different from getting a loan to buy a house, or a

:40:34.:40:40.

loan to buy a car? Yes. The system is different. It doesn't function as

:40:41.:40:45.

a loan. It functions as a 9% income tax once you earn over ?21,000 a

:40:46.:40:51.

year. It comes out by PAYE. So it is different. It is a regressive way of

:40:52.:40:57.

funding further education. So instead of levying it on high

:40:58.:41:02.

earners or the top 5% of corporations, which would be the

:41:03.:41:04.

progressive thing to do, we are levying the cost of tuition fees on

:41:05.:41:09.

anyone who earns over ?21,000 a year with a 9% income tax which is

:41:10.:41:15.

treated as a loan. So the people who benefit from the university

:41:16.:41:20.

education pay for it. But we all benefit from university education in

:41:21.:41:25.

society. If you are trained as a nurse or doctor or teacher or a

:41:26.:41:29.

lawyer, you have some benefit to your career, of course, but society

:41:30.:41:34.

benefits from having those skilled graduates in society. University

:41:35.:41:37.

education is a public good, not a private good. If you earn a lot of

:41:38.:41:43.

money as a graduate, without these debts you would already be paying it

:41:44.:41:49.

back through progressive taxation. Lord Of The Rings, are you saying to

:41:50.:41:53.

scrap it all together or to take it back to the -- Lord Adonis, are you

:41:54.:42:01.

saying to scrap it or to take it back to ?3000? Education is a public

:42:02.:42:05.

good but higher education is also a private good. If everybody got

:42:06.:42:10.

higher education, then paying for it through the tax system would make

:42:11.:42:14.

sense. But that is not the case. There is a substantial benefit to

:42:15.:42:17.

the individual and only a minority get it. What would I do now? If the

:42:18.:42:22.

fees have not been increased beyond ?3000 and we did not have a real

:42:23.:42:27.

rate of interest and we had students and the government making a

:42:28.:42:30.

contribution, I would have kept the old system. The problem now is that

:42:31.:42:40.

?9,000 plus 6% is in my view... 6% is the interest rate that will be

:42:41.:42:43.

brought in from autumn. And you start paying it immediately when you

:42:44.:42:48.

take out the loans. So students are graduating with debts of ?50,000

:42:49.:42:53.

plus, accumulating interest every week. My view is that is not

:42:54.:42:57.

sustainable. When you have a baroque system that has big additions here,

:42:58.:43:03.

a flying buttress there, it is not sustainable. Sustainable for who?

:43:04.:43:08.

Sustainable politically. It will not last. So you are not saying

:43:09.:43:14.

sustainable financially. The question is what to do. My view is

:43:15.:43:20.

that we should do two things. We should encourage universities to

:43:21.:43:22.

recruit international students, who do pay fees and there is a vibrant

:43:23.:43:28.

international market. We have good universities and we are good at

:43:29.:43:32.

that. Where is the government has been dissuading universities from

:43:33.:43:35.

recruiting overseas students by counting them in the immigration

:43:36.:43:39.

figures, which is a stupid error. I am not sure that puts people off

:43:40.:43:44.

applying to Oxford and Cambridge. But there are 128 other universities

:43:45.:43:49.

and it is putting a lot though off. The second thing is, we should put

:43:50.:43:56.

up a top rate of tax by a few pence, and the 40p rate of tax is almost

:43:57.:44:00.

entirely paid by graduates. So when people said the alternative to the

:44:01.:44:03.

current system is that the poor pay, that is not true. If it is the top

:44:04.:44:07.

rate that goes up, that is paid for by graduates, so that acts as an

:44:08.:44:11.

effective graduate tax. Then you could sweep away the whole of the

:44:12.:44:14.

current system. Universities would be fairly funded. You would have

:44:15.:44:17.

more international students and students would not be saddled with

:44:18.:44:27.

debt. Shakira, what do you want? We want scrapped tuition fees. We want

:44:28.:44:33.

free education. And do you want the reintroduction of maintenance

:44:34.:44:37.

grants? We want the reintroduction of maintenance grants to give poorer

:44:38.:44:41.

students the opportunity to access university and to stay at

:44:42.:44:45.

university. It is one thing to say more people from marginalised

:44:46.:44:48.

backgrounds are accessing it, but one may look at the figures, the

:44:49.:44:53.

number who are staying in completing their studies is very low. How would

:44:54.:45:01.

university education be paid for, then? I don't agree with the

:45:02.:45:07.

argument of their not being enough money. It is evident when the Prime

:45:08.:45:10.

Minister needs to find ?1.5 billion to stay in government with the DUP

:45:11.:45:15.

that they can find it. When we pay one of the lowest corporation tax

:45:16.:45:20.

rates in the world as one of the biggest financial countries in the

:45:21.:45:27.

world, there is money to do it. It is evident since the general

:45:28.:45:29.

election that young people are coming out to vote. This is a policy

:45:30.:45:34.

they care about, and my students will no longer take lip service.

:45:35.:45:39.

Politicians and the parties need to take this seriously, because we want

:45:40.:45:44.

an education that is liberating for every body and as of right and not a

:45:45.:45:46.

privilege. I strongly agree with Shakira, there

:45:47.:45:55.

should be a review. I heard on the radio last week, they were

:45:56.:46:02.

emphatic... There is going to be reviewed... Of the interest rate?

:46:03.:46:08.

You have to start answering the question of how you raise the money

:46:09.:46:11.

if you cut the interest rate, will he stick to the ?9,250 tighter RPI,

:46:12.:46:18.

are the Conservatives going to go into the next election without? I

:46:19.:46:22.

don't believe it. In the Tory manifesto they did say there would

:46:23.:46:26.

be a review into the education system. Where is that with you? We

:46:27.:46:30.

want that right now and as the National Union of Students we should

:46:31.:46:35.

have a seat on that represent our members and be shaping the type of

:46:36.:46:38.

education system that we want. I think that is completely right.

:46:39.:46:43.

Thank you very much, Lord Andrew Dennis and Shakira Martin from the

:46:44.:46:47.

NUS, and thank you very much, Rory. Thank you very much,

:46:48.:46:54.

congratulations, you know you will graduate in a couple of weeks.

:46:55.:46:58.

We could not bring you Paul Hadden who reckons he will have around

:46:59.:47:01.

?60,000 worth of debt but still things to receive fees are a good

:47:02.:47:10.

idea. -- still things tuition fees are a good idea.

:47:11.:47:11.

Charlie Gard's parents return to the High Court today

:47:12.:47:14.

with new evidence which they hope will save his life.

:47:15.:47:16.

The 11-month-old little boy is terminally-ill,

:47:17.:47:17.

having been born with a rare genetic condition which means he can't move

:47:18.:47:21.

I'm joined by our health correspondent Fergus Walsh.

:47:22.:47:25.

Sorry, I was looking over there and you are here! So, first of all, what

:47:26.:47:35.

is happening this afternoon? On Friday, Great Ormond Street asked

:47:36.:47:41.

the original High Court judge, Robert Francis, to have a look at

:47:42.:47:46.

some new evidence that was sent in a letter on Friday morning, so it is

:47:47.:47:52.

all happening very quickly, from the Vatican's Children's Hospital,

:47:53.:47:58.

signed by seven doctors and researchers, saying there was

:47:59.:48:02.

unpublished data about this nucleoside therapy, this

:48:03.:48:04.

experimental treatment that the parents have raised ?1.3 million for

:48:05.:48:11.

in crowdfunding, that there was this unpublished data suggesting that in

:48:12.:48:14.

mice and patients with a similar but not the same genetic fault as

:48:15.:48:20.

Charlie of dramatic improvement. So, faced with that, faced with that

:48:21.:48:27.

letter they said, OK, even though they had the perfect right, legally,

:48:28.:48:33.

to end life support for Charlie, they decided the right thing to do

:48:34.:48:36.

was to go back to the High Court, said that is where we are at 2pm

:48:37.:48:39.

today. And this is back to the same judge

:48:40.:48:45.

who made the original decision that Charlie Gard's life support should

:48:46.:48:47.

be switched off and he should be allowed to die with dignity. What

:48:48.:48:53.

sort of improvement do Charlie Gard's parents believe might happen

:48:54.:48:57.

if he has access to this medicine? What Connie Yates and Chris Gard

:48:58.:49:01.

have said, and of course you have interviewed them yourself, what they

:49:02.:49:04.

were saying is that they have been told that there is up to a one in

:49:05.:49:11.

ten chance that it could work for Charlie, and Connie said that she

:49:12.:49:18.

was told about a girl in Spain who had been on a ventilator and then a

:49:19.:49:23.

year later was riding a bicycle. Now, the problem with that for the

:49:24.:49:29.

hospital, for Great Ormond Street, is that they have said, and they

:49:30.:49:34.

said on Friday, that Charlie has catastrophic and irreversible brain

:49:35.:49:40.

damage. So the hospital is absolutely adamant, their position

:49:41.:49:44.

has not changed at all, but the parents will not accept the scans

:49:45.:49:50.

and the evidence they have been given by the hospital that he has

:49:51.:49:54.

irreversible structural brain damage, and they say even though

:49:55.:49:58.

there is a very small chance, they want to go ahead with this. But it

:49:59.:50:08.

would be very surprising if this unpublished data suddenly showed

:50:09.:50:10.

incredible improvement that we haven't heard of already, because

:50:11.:50:14.

the people who are putting it forward from the Vatican and from

:50:15.:50:17.

the United States, certainly from the United States, are the same

:50:18.:50:20.

people who were suggesting it might be useful in the earlier court

:50:21.:50:25.

hearing, so they had a chance to put any of that unpublished data then

:50:26.:50:29.

and didn't do it. Thank you very much, Fergus Walsh,

:50:30.:50:30.

our medical editor. Professor Neena Modi is president

:50:31.:50:31.

of the Royal College She's said the considerable media

:50:32.:50:34.

attention and interventions made by individuals such as the pope

:50:35.:50:37.

and Donald Trump had In an open letter this morning,

:50:38.:50:40.

Professor Modi says she's been asked why doctors have not commented

:50:41.:50:47.

on the specifics of the case. She's travelling in

:50:48.:50:49.

Switzerland at the moment, Thank you for talking to us. What is

:50:50.:51:06.

your view today? Exactly as stated in our letter, this is a very

:51:07.:51:12.

distressing and tragic case, unhappily these cases of end of life

:51:13.:51:16.

care for children are not uncommon and it seems to me that what we

:51:17.:51:21.

should be doing as the wider public is allowing the doctors, the family

:51:22.:51:25.

and sadly in this case the court as well to reach a decision as is their

:51:26.:51:30.

duty to try and reach a decision that is in the best interests of the

:51:31.:51:36.

child, it is entirely unhelpful for any external organisation or

:51:37.:51:40.

individual is to attempt to put forward their own points of view in

:51:41.:51:47.

a very public and... Ill considered way. Who is ill considered? I think

:51:48.:52:00.

that, the reason I will not speak about the specifics of this case is

:52:01.:52:03.

that I am not privy to the details and nor should I be, they are

:52:04.:52:08.

confidential. The parents, the child's health care team and indeed

:52:09.:52:13.

now the courts. I don't know the details, I shouldn't know the

:52:14.:52:16.

details and therefore it is not for me to comment on the specifics of

:52:17.:52:20.

the case. But what I can say without any shadow of the doubt is that

:52:21.:52:23.

doctors have a duty to act in the best interests of the patient that

:52:24.:52:29.

they are caring for. Do you disagree with the decision? Sorry to

:52:30.:52:33.

interrupt, do you disagree with the decision by Great Ormond Street to

:52:34.:52:37.

go back to the court today to see the original judge, Mr Justice

:52:38.:52:41.

Francis, to ask him again to look at this unpublished evidence from seven

:52:42.:52:50.

doctors and researchers around the world? It is not for me to agree or

:52:51.:52:54.

disagree because as I said earlier I not privy to the details of the

:52:55.:52:58.

case. But what it is my responsibility to do is to reassure

:52:59.:53:01.

the public and explain to the public that in these sorts of

:53:02.:53:04.

circumstances, which sadly are not rare, it is absolutely the duty of

:53:05.:53:08.

every paediatrician to always have the best interests of the child at

:53:09.:53:13.

heart, and also doctors have to work and practice within the law, they

:53:14.:53:20.

also have to recognise the rights of the child. I think the public should

:53:21.:53:22.

be reassured that it is an absolutely bound to get --

:53:23.:53:26.

obligation of paediatricians to put the best interests of the child

:53:27.:53:29.

forward and that is absolutely what the doctor that Great Ormond Street

:53:30.:53:33.

will be doing. Thank you very much for your time, we appreciate it.

:53:34.:53:37.

Let me just bring to this breaking news from the High Court, they have

:53:38.:53:41.

rejected claims that the Government is acting unlawfully by failing to

:53:42.:53:46.

suspend the sale of British arms to Saudi Arabia. After seeing the good

:53:47.:53:50.

evidence, in fact, the High Court rejects claims the Government is

:53:51.:53:54.

acting unlawfully by failing to suspend the sale of UK arms to Saudi

:53:55.:54:00.

Arabia, so the sale of UK arms to Saudi Arabia will presumably

:54:01.:54:01.

continue. A British man wanted for murder

:54:02.:54:03.

in the US has lost his long-running legal battle against extradition

:54:04.:54:06.

after a final appeal to the European Court

:54:07.:54:08.

of Human Rights in Strasbourg. Philip Harkins had argued his

:54:09.:54:10.

extradition would violate his human rights relating to inhuman

:54:11.:54:12.

or degrading treatment Let's speak now to Dominic Casciani,

:54:13.:54:14.

our home affairs correspondent First of all, tell our audience what

:54:15.:54:27.

Philip Harkins is accused of in America?

:54:28.:54:29.

Philip Harkins was born in Scotland and when he was 14 he moved to

:54:30.:54:34.

Florida with his family and when he was 21, around 1999, he was accused

:54:35.:54:39.

of being involved in a drugs related armed robbery, and during that

:54:40.:54:42.

robbery and man called Joshua Hayes was shot in the head and

:54:43.:54:46.

subsequently died. That is effectively the murder charge. Mr

:54:47.:54:49.

Harkins said he was not even at the scene, he said he lent his car to

:54:50.:55:00.

someone else but there is disputed evidence about this. In 2002 whilst

:55:01.:55:03.

he was still under investigation as part of that, he left Florida and

:55:04.:55:05.

returned to Scotland. It was there that he was involved in a car crash

:55:06.:55:08.

which led to the death of a 62-year-old woman, he was jailed for

:55:09.:55:11.

that and while he was in jail for that the American authorities said,

:55:12.:55:14.

we want him back in Florida to face trial, triggering this unprecedented

:55:15.:55:18.

14 year extradition battle which has gone on until today.

:55:19.:55:22.

And now he has to go to America? Yes, he has been through the British

:55:23.:55:26.

courts not once but twice, to the European Court, and in essence he

:55:27.:55:29.

was saying there are two issues, the possibility of the death penalty.

:55:30.:55:34.

The Americans said, we will not seek the death penalty in this case if he

:55:35.:55:38.

is convicted, that is a standard procedure which they always offer in

:55:39.:55:43.

British extradition cases. But then Mr Harkins said, well, if I'm going

:55:44.:55:48.

to be jailed for life, life without parole is a breach of my human

:55:49.:55:52.

rights, it is cruel and degrading. This has been a long-running row

:55:53.:55:56.

between the European Court and British authorities about the nature

:55:57.:56:00.

of light sentences. A couple of years ago, even though he lost his

:56:01.:56:03.

case in Strasberg, you got a second chance because there was a bit of

:56:04.:56:07.

doubt in the European Court's mind, which is why he went back today, and

:56:08.:56:08.

this morning he lost. Let's speak now to Patricia Hayes,

:56:09.:56:13.

whose son Joshua Hayes was murdered, and her daughter Elizabeth,

:56:14.:56:15.

who was Joshua's only sister. Patricia, hello to you from us here

:56:16.:56:25.

in the UK. How do you react to the fact that Philip Harkins is now

:56:26.:56:28.

going to be extradited to the United States to face trial for the murder

:56:29.:56:33.

of your son? Well we are very happy to see today that he gets on the

:56:34.:56:40.

plane -- we're very happy to see that, the day he gets on the plane

:56:41.:56:44.

is the day we believe it. Sorry, I didn't hear that? It has been a long

:56:45.:56:49.

time and he has had appeal after appeal but the day he leaves

:56:50.:56:51.

Scotland is the day we will believe it is over from that. I understand.

:56:52.:56:56.

Elisabeth, what is your reaction? The same. Patricia, what has it been

:56:57.:57:06.

like waiting all these years? Honestly? It has been pure hell. It

:57:07.:57:11.

has been fighting battle. Why do you say that? Just waiting to get him

:57:12.:57:17.

back for justice Committee should have never been over there, he

:57:18.:57:21.

should have been here. What do you think about the appeal processes,

:57:22.:57:25.

the various processes that Philip Harkins has gone through? I really

:57:26.:57:31.

don't understand how he was ever allowed to file that many appeals. I

:57:32.:57:37.

mean, that is way too many. He says he is a victim, and he is not. Can I

:57:38.:57:45.

ask you, how is your grandson, Joshua's 's son? He has been brought

:57:46.:57:49.

up without a father. It has been rough on him. Very rough on him.

:57:50.:57:59.

Joshua has two grandchildren which will never get to know him. And what

:58:00.:58:08.

do you tell him about his father? I tell him all the good stuff, we keep

:58:09.:58:13.

Josh very much alive here, he will always be carried in our heart.

:58:14.:58:19.

Elizabeth, what has it been like for you and your family waiting for this

:58:20.:58:26.

news? Very hard to see my mum go through this. OK, thank you very

:58:27.:58:30.

much for your time this morning. When I think of the world

:58:31.:58:35.

we inhabit, everyone will think, Yeah. And it wasn't,

:58:36.:58:38.

it was done by hand over days and weeks

:58:39.:58:41.

and months and years.

:58:42.:58:45.

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