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It's Monday, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire - | :00:07. | :00:11. | |
It's a matter of time before a serving prison officer | :00:12. | :00:15. | |
is killed on duty - that's the warning | :00:16. | :00:17. | |
from officers working in the Britain's jails right now. | :00:18. | :00:19. | |
They've risked their jobs to speak anonymously to us. | :00:20. | :00:23. | |
It's only a matter of time before something massive goes off. | :00:24. | :00:26. | |
It will get to the stage where a prison | :00:27. | :00:29. | |
Our exclusive report in a few minutes. | :00:30. | :00:36. | |
The high court is to hear new evidence about Charlie Gard, | :00:37. | :00:39. | |
the terminally-ill baby whose parents have taken on Great Ormond | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
Street Hospital in an effort to secure experimental treatment | :00:44. | :00:45. | |
Judges will examine claims that the proposed treatment | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
Theresa May tries to hit the reboot button. | :00:50. | :00:55. | |
One year on from moving into Number 10, the Prime Minister is attempting | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
to regain political momentum by appealing to other parties | :00:59. | :01:00. | |
We will be talking to Damian Green - the First Secretary of State, | :01:01. | :01:06. | |
who is effectively her second-in-command. | :01:07. | :01:23. | |
Hello, welcome to the programme - we're live until 11am this morning. | :01:24. | :01:26. | |
Also, does the accent you have mean people think you are thick? | :01:27. | :01:29. | |
This after Angela Rayner, the Shadow Education Secretary, | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
was called thick after being on the Andrew Marr Show yesterday. | :01:33. | :01:35. | |
Let me know what perceptions people have of you because of | :01:36. | :01:38. | |
If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. | :01:39. | :01:46. | |
The case of the terminally ill 11-month-old boy, Charlie Gard, | :01:47. | :01:52. | |
returns to the High Court today, as judges consider new evidence | :01:53. | :01:54. | |
relating to potential treatment for his condition. | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
An earlier ruling supported the view of his doctors that nothing can be | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
done to improve his quality of life, and they should be allowed to switch | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
"He's still fighting, so we're still fighting." | :02:05. | :02:11. | |
A phrase that Chris and Connie Gard have used many times as they battle | :02:12. | :02:15. | |
to keep their baby son Charlie alive. | :02:16. | :02:21. | |
We are just two normal, everyday people. | :02:22. | :02:24. | |
What is strong is the love we have for our boy. | :02:25. | :02:28. | |
If he was lying there suffering, we wouldn't be here now. | :02:29. | :02:34. | |
It's a story with another twist today. | :02:35. | :02:37. | |
The High Court will look once more at whether or not the 11-month-old | :02:38. | :02:46. | |
who was born with a serious genetic condition that doctors say | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
mean he will never see, hear, move or speak, | :02:50. | :02:51. | |
should be allowed to go to America for experimental treatment. | :02:52. | :03:00. | |
So far, the courts have agreed with Great Ormond Street | :03:01. | :03:02. | |
condition cannot be improved and he should instead | :03:03. | :03:05. | |
But support has grown for the family from all over the world, | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
including from President Trump and the Pope. | :03:10. | :03:11. | |
And a glimmer of hope when seven specialists | :03:12. | :03:13. | |
led by the Vatican Children's Hospital signed a letter saying that | :03:14. | :03:16. | |
treatment should be reconsidered following success in conditions | :03:17. | :03:18. | |
Chris and Connie handed a petition in to Great Ormond Street | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
yesterday with over 350,000 signatures backing them. | :03:24. | :03:25. | |
But the hospital has made clear that its position has not changed. | :03:26. | :03:28. | |
It will be up to a judge to once again decide | :03:29. | :03:38. | |
It will be up to a judge to once again decide if that is true. | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
And we will hear from Charlie Gard's mum later in the programme. | :03:43. | :03:50. | |
Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary | :03:51. | :03:52. | |
Theresa May is to call on rival political parties to "contribute | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
In her first major speech since the general election, | :03:57. | :03:59. | |
the Prime Minister will say her commitment to change | :04:00. | :04:02. | |
But with the Conservatives losing their overall majority, | :04:03. | :04:05. | |
she'll say the reality she faces means she has to approach | :04:06. | :04:07. | |
Labour said Mrs May's speech proved her party had | :04:08. | :04:10. | |
The Iraqi prime minister has visited Mosul to congratulate his armed | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
forces on their victory over the Islamic State group, | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
nine months after they launched the offensive to liberate the city. | :04:20. | :04:21. | |
In the capital, Baghdad, people sang and danced on the streets. | :04:22. | :04:24. | |
Many areas of Mosul have been reduced to rubble in the fight, | :04:25. | :04:27. | |
Iraq is celebrating the defeat of so-called Islamic State in Mosul. | :04:28. | :04:40. | |
Homes, streets, shops reduced to ruins and dust. | :04:41. | :04:54. | |
It's thought thousands have been killed. | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
Some will have been part of IS, others were civilians. | :04:58. | :05:00. | |
Search and rescue teams continue to pull bodies from the rubble. | :05:01. | :05:02. | |
These families have survived three years under IS. | :05:03. | :05:05. | |
Now they're able to leave, following nearly 1 million people | :05:06. | :05:07. | |
who've already left their homes here. | :05:08. | :05:09. | |
It may be a while until they can return. | :05:10. | :05:16. | |
The fighting is ending, but the humanitarian crisis is not. | :05:17. | :05:18. | |
It will take months, maybe even years, for the people | :05:19. | :05:21. | |
who have fled from their homes, they have lost everything, | :05:22. | :05:31. | |
it will take months for them to go back to the damaged neighbourhoos. | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
The UN estimates it will cost at least ?770 million to restore | :05:35. | :05:37. | |
the city's basic infrastructure, such as clean water and electricity. | :05:38. | :05:40. | |
IS still hold territory to the west and south of Mosul, | :05:41. | :05:42. | |
Some experts have warned that if gains are not secured properly, | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
Although this city is liberated, for these families | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
The BBC understands a Government inquiry into the so-called gig | :05:53. | :06:02. | |
economy will call for flexible workers to be paid | :06:03. | :06:04. | |
The Taylor review, which is due to be published tomorrow, | :06:05. | :06:11. | |
will affect firms like Deliveroo and Uber. | :06:12. | :06:13. | |
It's expected to argue that additional wages will help to offset | :06:14. | :06:15. | |
President Trump says he didn't know his eldest son met a Russian | :06:16. | :06:25. | |
lawyer who claimed to have damaging information about Hillary Clinton. | :06:26. | :06:27. | |
The New York Times reports Donald Trump Junior met the lawyer - | :06:28. | :06:30. | |
who said she had links to the Kremlin - two weeks | :06:31. | :06:33. | |
after his father won the Republican nomination last year. | :06:34. | :06:35. | |
But Trump junior says the lawyer's statements were vague and nothing | :06:36. | :06:37. | |
The European Court of Human Rights is expected to rule on the case | :06:38. | :06:44. | |
of a Scottish man fighting the UK's longest extradition case. | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
Phillip Harkins, who is originally from Greenock, has been fighting | :06:49. | :06:50. | |
extradition to the United States for 14 years. | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
The 38-year-old denies murdering a man in a robbery | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
If the case at the European Court of Human Rights goes against him, | :06:57. | :07:02. | |
he could face trial in America for first degree murder. | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
Counter-terror police have launched a film telling holiday-makers how | :07:07. | :07:08. | |
to react in the event of a terrorist attack in their resort. | :07:09. | :07:20. | |
The four-minute video shows families and hotel staff fleeing | :07:21. | :07:23. | |
the sound of gunshots, barricading themselves into rooms | :07:24. | :07:25. | |
and being treated as potential suspects by armed police. | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
It repeats the advice to run, hide and tell. | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
The mother of a British backpacker who was stabbed to death | :07:35. | :07:37. | |
in Australia last year has made an emotional | :07:38. | :07:39. | |
journey to the place where her daughter died. | :07:40. | :07:41. | |
Mia Ayliffe-Chung was killed at a hostel in Queensland. | :07:42. | :07:47. | |
Another British traveller, Tom Jackson, died trying to help her. | :07:48. | :07:50. | |
Mia's mother Rosie wanted to retrace her daughter's steps, | :07:51. | :07:52. | |
and learn more about the welfare of backpackers in Australia. | :07:53. | :07:55. | |
Our correspondent Hywel Griffith reports. | :07:56. | :08:00. | |
This isn't a journey any parent would want to make. | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
10,000 miles from home, Rosie Ayliffe has come to learn | :08:06. | :08:07. | |
20-year-old Mia was working in Queensland to gain a visa. | :08:08. | :08:21. | |
30-year-old Tom Jackson from Cheshire tried to help her. | :08:22. | :08:27. | |
A French national has been charged with their murders. | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
The hostel is still open and, without the cameras following her, | :08:32. | :08:34. | |
Rosie was allowed to enter and see Mia's room, and the place | :08:35. | :08:37. | |
And I sat in a cubicle and I thought about Mia dying in that room. | :08:38. | :08:43. | |
And she's gone, you know, and it's tough. | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
I knew it would be, but I'm so glad I came, | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
But this isn't only about commemoration. | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
Rosie wants to meet other backpackers, and learn exactly | :08:57. | :08:58. | |
what kind of a life her daughter had here. | :08:59. | :09:04. | |
Every year, 200,000 people come to Australia for a working holiday. | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
If they want to stay for a second year, then they have to come | :09:10. | :09:12. | |
Many, like Mia, come to Queensland, where the farmers use | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
the backpackers to pick their fruit and tend their fields. | :09:18. | :09:20. | |
An investigation by Australia's fair work ombudsman has found many | :09:21. | :09:23. | |
Two thirds say employers take advantage by underpaying them. | :09:24. | :09:30. | |
Some have their passports taken away. | :09:31. | :09:33. | |
Djuro, from Denmark, has just finished the 88 days | :09:34. | :09:35. | |
of rural work needed to gain a second-year visa. | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
It was almost like being in prison, rather than being in Australia. | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
Treatment will be so bad, you're being pushed to your very limit. | :09:46. | :09:50. | |
Now, we're speaking about people working in 40 degrees. | :09:51. | :09:52. | |
And to the amount of capacity that you're working, | :09:53. | :09:58. | |
one or two months, some people collapse, mentally. | :09:59. | :10:00. | |
The Australian Government says it recognises migrant workers | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
It has set up a task force, but while she is in the country, | :10:05. | :10:12. | |
Rosie is anxious to push for more change. | :10:13. | :10:14. | |
We are propping up their agricultural industry | :10:15. | :10:16. | |
People are making huge amounts of money out of our backpackers. | :10:17. | :10:24. | |
And it's got to stop, really, and, you know, | :10:25. | :10:27. | |
But I can feel a fight coming on, I really can. | :10:28. | :10:33. | |
It is one which may bring Rosie back to Australia several times, | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
to lobby and campaign, and to give Tom and Mia a legacy. | :10:37. | :10:46. | |
Firefighters have been tackling a blaze overnight | :10:47. | :10:48. | |
at London's Camden Lock Market, which attracts 28 million | :10:49. | :10:50. | |
70 firefighters were sent to the scene after the fire broke | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
London Fire Brigade says the situation is now under control | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
There are no reports of any casualties. | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
A Coldplay fan who went to the band's recent concert | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
at Croke Park in Dublin became more involved than he expected. | :11:09. | :11:11. | |
Rob had been crowd-surfing in his wheelchair when he was | :11:12. | :11:13. | |
spotted by lead singer, Chris Martin. | :11:14. | :11:15. | |
He was then invited on stage and drew huge cheers from the crowd | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
of more than 70,000 people when he brought out | :11:20. | :11:22. | |
Rob described his experience as "amazing". | :11:23. | :11:29. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am. | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
Do get in touch with us throughout the morning - | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
use the hashtag Victoria live and if you text, you will be charged | :11:39. | :11:41. | |
Your accent - do people think you are more or less intelligent because | :11:42. | :11:49. | |
of your accent? We ask because of the Shadow Education Secretary's | :11:50. | :11:52. | |
appearance on the Andrew Marr Show yesterday. Somebody treated her and | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
said she was thick. She responded and said, it's because of my accent. | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
I am proud of it. I am not going to change it. Stop it. | :12:02. | :12:04. | |
Let's get some sport now with Leah Boleto. | :12:05. | :12:09. | |
It is manic Monday at Wimbledon, Andy Murray Johanna Konta attempting | :12:10. | :12:19. | |
to give us a British man and woman in the quarterfinals since how long? | :12:20. | :12:26. | |
to the last time Britain had a man and woman in the quarter-finals. | :12:27. | :12:31. | |
But Andy Murray and Johanna Konta could make that a reality | :12:32. | :12:34. | |
After a day's rest there was a bit of training | :12:35. | :12:40. | |
But today, Murray is up against Frenchman Benoit Paire who - | :12:41. | :12:53. | |
by the way - hasn't made a grand slam quarter-final, ever! | :12:54. | :12:56. | |
Expectations are high for Murray but he is favourite | :12:57. | :12:58. | |
All the action on Centre Court at around 3 o'clock today. | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
But it's Johanna Konta who holds the first slot on Centre Court this | :13:03. | :13:05. | |
afternoon, taking on Caroline Garcia of France - that's at 1 o'clock. | :13:06. | :13:08. | |
They've both met four times before, each winning twice, with Garcia | :13:09. | :13:10. | |
beating Jo in their most recent clash in March. | :13:11. | :13:12. | |
But I'm sure crowds will try their hardest to inspire Jo. | :13:13. | :13:15. | |
And given that Britain hasn't had a female quarter-finalist | :13:16. | :13:17. | |
since 1984, we can expect quite a party this lunctime. | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
Right, cricket. What a few days for Joe Root and England cricketing in | :13:22. | :13:28. | |
this Test series. And he gets a victory in his first match as | :13:29. | :13:30. | |
England captain, which is fantastic. Yes, a huge win for England | :13:31. | :13:34. | |
under Joe Root and a lot The England Captain had | :13:35. | :13:37. | |
lots of praise for Ali, who gave a fantastic performance - | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
ripping through South Africa's Ali was man-of the-match | :13:42. | :13:43. | |
after their 200 and 11 run win. The side won't be changed | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
for Friday's Second Of course, this is England's first | :13:48. | :13:49. | |
of seven tests with Root in charge for the first time, so a big relief | :13:50. | :14:03. | |
for him that it started well. We know they will come back hard, | :14:04. | :14:13. | |
but to be 1-0 up, it is the first time we have beaten them for a long | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
time. Everything I have said to the lads this week, they have dived into | :14:18. | :14:25. | |
and gone about in a brilliant way and made my life a lot easier. | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
And of course, Victoria, the win came moments | :14:31. | :14:31. | |
a crucial three-run win against Australia in the World Cup. | :14:32. | :14:35. | |
The first time they've managed that in 24 years! | :14:36. | :14:37. | |
The win puts England in a strong position to qualify | :14:38. | :14:39. | |
for the semi-finals as they sit top of the points table. | :14:40. | :14:51. | |
And before I go, Victoria, we know record goalscorer | :14:52. | :14:53. | |
Wayne Rooney is leaving Manchester United after 13 years | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
to return to Everton, where he played as a teenager. | :14:57. | :14:58. | |
But he's just admitted that even though he's been wearing | :14:59. | :15:00. | |
United's red shirt in the day, he's been slipping into his | :15:01. | :15:03. | |
We don't have a picture of the PJs in question, but this | :15:04. | :15:17. | |
We are sure sales of pyjamas will get a boost. You don't think they | :15:18. | :15:25. | |
are going to bed with a pair of Everton pyjamas? We do have a | :15:26. | :15:29. | |
mock-up. We don't know for sure, but we think it was going to bed wearing | :15:30. | :15:35. | |
bees. Yes, Colleen is going to say come to bed in your Everton pyjamas! | :15:36. | :15:42. | |
We are going to Doctor Sally at 9:30am, she is live at Wimbledon, we | :15:43. | :15:51. | |
will be able to check their alarm systems if we are looking like we | :15:52. | :15:53. | |
have every morning! First this morning, we're | :15:54. | :15:55. | |
going to bring you rare interviews with serving prison officers | :15:56. | :15:57. | |
who are speaking out about the reality of life | :15:58. | :15:59. | |
inside British prisons. They're risking their jobs just | :16:00. | :16:01. | |
by speaking out on this programme. Prisons in Britain | :16:02. | :16:04. | |
are feeling the strain. Since 2010, the number of frontline | :16:05. | :16:08. | |
prison officers has fallen by some 7000 to 18,000 and budgets | :16:09. | :16:12. | |
have been cut severely. In recent months, jails have | :16:13. | :16:14. | |
experienced some of the worst rioting in decades as the decline | :16:15. | :16:16. | |
in standards has Back in December, riots | :16:17. | :16:18. | |
in Birmingham Prison left four Just yesterday, it was announced | :16:19. | :16:24. | |
that more than 200 kilos of drugs and 13,000 mobile | :16:25. | :16:36. | |
phones had been found Dan Clark Neal's a former | :16:37. | :16:38. | |
Metropolitan Police Officer - First of all it is tricky for | :16:39. | :16:51. | |
serving prison officers to speak out? It is, I have spoken to a dozen | :16:52. | :16:55. | |
in the last six months looking at the issue and we have only managed | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
to get three of them to talk to us on camera, which is a massive | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
achievement because it is rare for them to talk to us because they are | :17:05. | :17:08. | |
concerned they may lose their jobs. The Ministry of Justice really don't | :17:09. | :17:11. | |
like prison officers talking to the media. What kind of things were they | :17:12. | :17:17. | |
saying? We were looking at four main areas, highlighted from speaking to | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
three of them. We are looking at the issue of drugs, which we know was in | :17:22. | :17:25. | |
the news again yesterday, we are looking at the issue of violence, | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
and staffing and recruitment levels and stress. There are lots of issues | :17:30. | :17:32. | |
alongside those ones that we have highlighted, but | :17:33. | :17:49. | |
what is really interesting is the three prison officers that we have | :17:50. | :17:51. | |
spoken to, they are not speaking to us for their moment of glory, they | :17:52. | :17:54. | |
are talking because they want change, they want the prison service | :17:55. | :17:56. | |
to change for the better and they are hoping that Ministry of Justice | :17:57. | :17:59. | |
will sit up and take notice from what we have done with this film. As | :18:00. | :18:02. | |
you would expect, we have protected the identities of the officers who | :18:03. | :18:03. | |
have spoken exclusively to us. All the background footage you'll | :18:04. | :18:04. | |
see in this film is from the BBC archive and was not shot | :18:05. | :18:07. | |
in the prisons these He basically put excrement in a bag | :18:08. | :18:09. | |
and ran up behind me and shoved it in my face - | :18:10. | :18:20. | |
eyes, nose, mouth. When you join the Armed Forces | :18:21. | :18:26. | |
and you're fighting in the battlefield, anything can | :18:27. | :18:32. | |
happe - you can survive, you can get killed, you can | :18:33. | :18:34. | |
get seriously injured. It's only a matter of time before | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
something massive goes off. It will get to the stage | :18:39. | :18:40. | |
where a prison officer We've gained incredibly rare | :18:41. | :18:43. | |
access to prison officers. They want to speak out | :18:44. | :18:56. | |
about the shocking reality We've protected their identities | :18:57. | :18:58. | |
for their own safety. This is the life | :18:59. | :19:07. | |
of a prison officer - Drugs is a massive, | :19:08. | :19:10. | |
massive issue now compared When I first started this, | :19:11. | :19:20. | |
what's known as spice, you'd have sort of an incident | :19:21. | :19:27. | |
a week, maybe two. Just before I left, you'd have | :19:28. | :19:30. | |
three or four a day. You can have somebody who's | :19:31. | :19:39. | |
joking about one minute to fighting you in another, | :19:40. | :19:48. | |
to having a fit in another. You could have all three | :19:49. | :19:51. | |
of those in one episode. There's people within the prison, | :19:52. | :19:54. | |
sort of prison life, they've actually lost their lives | :19:55. | :19:58. | |
through this spice, regular, regular ambulances called to deal | :19:59. | :20:02. | |
with what they call a spice attack. Prisoners are specifically now | :20:03. | :20:05. | |
going out and doing a crime to be recalled because they can earn more | :20:06. | :20:18. | |
money coming in with drugs, They spoke openly about friends, | :20:19. | :20:21. | |
gang members, getting caught for petty crimes, | :20:22. | :20:33. | |
receiving sort of two-year sentences because they know when they get | :20:34. | :20:35. | |
in there there's quite There were talking about making | :20:36. | :20:37. | |
several thousand pounds a month just through selling | :20:38. | :20:41. | |
drugs in prison. Officers being assaulted, punched, | :20:42. | :20:43. | |
boiling water thrown in their faces. It was just happening | :20:44. | :20:51. | |
on a regular basis. Just before I left, we had | :20:52. | :20:54. | |
a member of staff who ended up with a broken nose, | :20:55. | :21:02. | |
potentional broken finger, I've been assaulted a couple | :21:03. | :21:04. | |
of times, and also been injured stopping fights, and I was nearly | :21:05. | :21:11. | |
taken hostage once. I've been on the end | :21:12. | :21:13. | |
of a bad experience. We attended a cell with | :21:14. | :21:15. | |
two prisoners in it. We were dealing with their issues | :21:16. | :21:26. | |
when they assaulted us. They used the leg of a metal chair | :21:27. | :21:29. | |
to assault myself and my colleagues, You don't know what or who was | :21:30. | :21:32. | |
connected to who or what, and you try to do your best at that | :21:33. | :21:47. | |
moment in time. I've done some internal damage | :21:48. | :21:50. | |
to my shoulder and required He basically put excrement in a bag | :21:51. | :21:52. | |
and he ran up behind me and shoved it in my face - eyes, nose, | :21:53. | :22:06. | |
mouth. It was the worst | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
feeling in the world. Like, we didn't know | :22:11. | :22:13. | |
their medical records, I didn't know whether he had HIV, | :22:14. | :22:15. | |
hepatitis, which is all carried So the next day I was in | :22:16. | :22:18. | |
the hospital having all the tests When you join the Armed Forces | :22:19. | :22:22. | |
and you're fighting on the battlefield, anything can | :22:23. | :22:32. | |
happen - you can survive, you can get killed, you can | :22:33. | :22:34. | |
get seriously injured. The assault rate against | :22:35. | :22:36. | |
officers has crept up. But over the last 4-5 years has | :22:37. | :22:38. | |
massively increased. So you're getting people | :22:39. | :22:46. | |
with broken bones, and mental In my opinion you've | :22:47. | :22:48. | |
seen nothing yet. It's literally, it's | :22:49. | :22:54. | |
going to boil over very soon. It's only a matter of time before | :22:55. | :22:56. | |
something massive goes off. And either a lot of prisoners | :22:57. | :22:59. | |
will get hurt, or a lot of prison It will get to the stage | :23:00. | :23:03. | |
where a prison officer I was joining a service that | :23:04. | :23:06. | |
I was proud to join. So that I could change | :23:07. | :23:12. | |
people's lives. As the service changed over | :23:13. | :23:20. | |
the years, that has sort of been There's been a big issue | :23:21. | :23:23. | |
with retention and recruitment You do recruit good people, | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
but they tend to leave very quickly. After the training, it was, | :23:29. | :23:36. | |
I think 8-9 weeks training in total, it was just, you're | :23:37. | :23:50. | |
on the wings, and that is it. 20 years ago you had | :23:51. | :23:53. | |
time with prisoners. Time to engage, time to understand, | :23:54. | :23:55. | |
time to try and get them to see that their actions were wrong, | :23:56. | :23:59. | |
whereas now we haven't got the staff, we haven't got the time, | :24:00. | :24:02. | |
and we've got prisoners that don't really care about | :24:03. | :24:05. | |
changing their lives. There was a massive sick rate | :24:06. | :24:15. | |
and they 're struggling to cover There were times when, | :24:16. | :24:18. | |
I was sure I wasn't the only one, you're left to lock 64 | :24:19. | :24:27. | |
prisoners behind doors. Prisoners issues are not dealt | :24:28. | :24:29. | |
with as quickly as they used to be, that causes frustration among | :24:30. | :24:32. | |
the prisoners and it builds up and sometimes | :24:33. | :24:34. | |
this leads to assaults. Staff get injured, | :24:35. | :24:36. | |
that leads to sickness, When I joined there used to be | :24:37. | :24:37. | |
staff, from ex-army, ex-police, etc. They had the life experience to deal | :24:38. | :24:50. | |
with these people, to talk to them. But young staff coming in don't have | :24:51. | :24:54. | |
these kind of life skills and that's another big failure | :24:55. | :24:57. | |
which causes problems. We're getting officers | :24:58. | :25:00. | |
who are 20, 21 years of age. What experience have | :25:01. | :25:06. | |
they got of life? And they are telling a 40, | :25:07. | :25:12. | |
50-year-old to go behind the door who's probably done | :25:13. | :25:15. | |
ten years already. There's no respect, no authority | :25:16. | :25:16. | |
and there's no discipline. I saw it first hand, | :25:17. | :25:18. | |
prisoners attacked another prisoner with a razor blade over | :25:19. | :25:21. | |
a packet of tobacco. If you're on your own and you see | :25:22. | :25:23. | |
something like that which we did, you could be trying to split | :25:24. | :25:26. | |
15-20 blokes up. Staff have seen it gradually get | :25:27. | :25:32. | |
worse over the period that I've worked there and they leave, | :25:33. | :25:35. | |
they either retire or they leave on medical grounds, | :25:36. | :25:39. | |
because in their eyes they're jumping off a sinking ship, | :25:40. | :25:42. | |
and the new ones are coming on to try and replace the old ones | :25:43. | :25:45. | |
leaving with vast experience. It's just a numbers game | :25:46. | :25:48. | |
for the Government. Honestly, I used to wake | :25:49. | :25:51. | |
up in the morning and And I just hope that at the end | :25:52. | :25:53. | |
of the day I come away in one piece. And then I can go home, | :25:54. | :26:05. | |
forget about it to the next day. When you've got a prisoner | :26:06. | :26:09. | |
threatening to rip your head off, he's going to stab you, | :26:10. | :26:15. | |
he's going to get your kids shot, get your missus shot, | :26:16. | :26:18. | |
you don't know, you don't Up to the time of the incident | :26:19. | :26:20. | |
I was a teetotaller, I didn't drink. When I'm not at work, | :26:21. | :26:27. | |
when I'm on holiday, it's fine. How much are you drinking most days | :26:28. | :26:45. | |
when you are at work? Then we get up the next morning | :26:46. | :26:48. | |
and act as if nothing's wrong. Because you have to put a front on, | :26:49. | :27:11. | |
because if prisoners find out you've got a weakness, | :27:12. | :27:14. | |
they will use it. I don't think people | :27:15. | :27:16. | |
would actually believe that a job If everyone who wanted to leave | :27:17. | :27:18. | |
left, they wouldn't have And I said, you know, | :27:19. | :27:31. | |
if ever I could help I will, and I was just fortunate I could get | :27:32. | :27:44. | |
out, and I have got out. The reason why I took | :27:45. | :27:48. | |
up your invitation to speak up was because I'm hoping that I can | :27:49. | :27:50. | |
change the direction My intention was to expose | :27:51. | :27:53. | |
the problems we're facing and to make it better for the people | :27:54. | :27:56. | |
who want to join. It will be good if the disaster | :27:57. | :27:59. | |
that is looming can be averted. We have this statement from the | :28:00. | :28:02. | |
Ministry of Justice... "In November last year | :28:03. | :28:09. | |
we announced a major overhaul of the prison system, | :28:10. | :28:12. | |
including 2500 extra frontline officers and new measures to tackle | :28:13. | :28:14. | |
violence, drugs and mobile phones. We are continuing to transform our | :28:15. | :28:16. | |
prison estate to close old and dilapidated prisons, | :28:17. | :28:19. | |
and create up to 10,000 new places The Iraqi army says | :28:20. | :28:21. | |
Mosul has been liberated from the so-called Islamic State, | :28:22. | :28:44. | |
but it has come at a price - thousands have been killed and more | :28:45. | :28:47. | |
than 800,000 people And have you been judged for your | :28:48. | :28:58. | |
accent? Angela Rayner was, we are asking you to let us know your | :28:59. | :28:59. | |
experiences. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom | :29:00. | :29:00. | |
with a summary of today's news. The case of the terminally-ill baby | :29:01. | :29:07. | |
Charlie Gard is due to return Great Ormond Street Hospital | :29:08. | :29:10. | |
in London has asked judges to consider new evidence relating | :29:11. | :29:13. | |
to potential treatment The courts have previously backed | :29:14. | :29:15. | |
the view of his doctors that nothing can be done to improve his quality | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
of life, and they should be allowed to switch | :29:20. | :29:22. | |
off his life support systems. The Prime Minister is to signal a | :29:23. | :29:27. | |
change in her style of Government, calling for a cross-party consensus | :29:28. | :29:28. | |
on some policy ideas. In her first major speech | :29:29. | :29:30. | |
since the general election, Theresa May will say her | :29:31. | :29:36. | |
commitment to change But with the Conservatives | :29:37. | :29:38. | |
losing their overall majority, she'll say the reality she faces | :29:39. | :29:41. | |
means she has to approach She will call on other parties to | :29:42. | :29:43. | |
contribute, not just criticise. The Iraqi prime minister Haider | :29:44. | :29:47. | |
al-Abadi has congratulated his armed forces on their victory over | :29:48. | :29:50. | |
Islamic State militants in Mosul. It's nine months since government | :29:51. | :29:52. | |
forces launched an attack Much of it has been | :29:53. | :29:54. | |
reduced to rubble. Counter-terror police have launched | :29:55. | :30:05. | |
a film telling holiday-makers how to react in the event of a terrorist | :30:06. | :30:07. | |
attack in their resort. The video shows an attack by gunmen | :30:08. | :30:23. | |
on a hotel and repeat advice to run, hide and tell. Police say there is | :30:24. | :30:27. | |
no evidence of an increased threat this summer. | :30:28. | :30:28. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10am. | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
Let's head to Wimbledon now, and talk to Sally Nugent. | :30:33. | :30:39. | |
We look forward to the emergency alarm going off. And it is manic | :30:40. | :30:48. | |
Monday, so come on, Andy Murray and Johanna Konta! We love that moment | :30:49. | :30:53. | |
when the alarm goes off, but who cares? Everybody plays today, that | :30:54. | :31:07. | |
is why we call it manic Monday. Andy Murray will play Benoit Paire. Not | :31:08. | :31:14. | |
everyone has heard of him, but this is potentially a really tough match | :31:15. | :31:20. | |
for Andy Murray. Jo Konta, oh, my goodness, doesn't she look | :31:21. | :31:23. | |
confident? Isn't it interesting how just a week in tennis can change | :31:24. | :31:26. | |
things for her? She felt the love of the Wimbledon crowd last week. She's | :31:27. | :31:36. | |
playing Carolina Garcia, also French, later today. So we have to | :31:37. | :31:40. | |
make a really good hopes, and more than that, Victoria. Go on! You | :31:41. | :31:49. | |
know. Marcus Willis. He is playing in the doubles. Our favourite | :31:50. | :31:55. | |
player. He is such a hero. He is fantastic on social media. A new | :31:56. | :32:00. | |
dad, posted lots of pictures with his cute baby. He has had rough time | :32:01. | :32:03. | |
over the weekend. After that fantastic win other day, on social | :32:04. | :32:09. | |
media people had the cheek to call him a bit overweight. But he | :32:10. | :32:13. | |
responded to it very elegantly, pointing out that actually, he was | :32:14. | :32:16. | |
doing really rather well and into the second week of one of the best | :32:17. | :32:19. | |
tennis tournaments in the world. So we wish Marcus Willis and Jade | :32:20. | :32:23. | |
Clarke well. Before I go, we might have missed the alarm. Lemina let | :32:24. | :32:28. | |
you in on something we don't normally get to see. I don't know if | :32:29. | :32:31. | |
my cameraman can go slightly to my right. This is a briefing going on. | :32:32. | :32:42. | |
This time of day, we have all the Armed Forces, the servicemen and | :32:43. | :32:45. | |
women who come and help at Wimbledon. They get told the order | :32:46. | :32:48. | |
of the day and what is happening, who to look after, who to look out | :32:49. | :32:52. | |
for, which will person is going to be here. So they are talking in | :32:53. | :32:56. | |
hushed tones. We are not allowed to listen. Fair enough, have a good | :32:57. | :33:00. | |
day. Charlie Gard's parents return | :33:01. | :33:02. | |
to the High Court today with new evidence which they hope | :33:03. | :33:05. | |
will save his life. The 11-month-old little | :33:06. | :33:08. | |
boy is terminally ill, having been born with a rare genetic | :33:09. | :33:10. | |
condition which means he can't move His parents have made a number | :33:11. | :33:13. | |
of unsuccessful challenges to a decision to turn off his life | :33:14. | :33:19. | |
support, but Great Ormond Street Hospital has now asked | :33:20. | :33:23. | |
the High Court to look at new evidence about potential | :33:24. | :33:25. | |
treatment for his condition abroad. Charlie's mum, Connie Yates, | :33:26. | :33:27. | |
has been telling Radio 4's Today programme this morning | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
about the treatment they hope There's 18 children | :33:32. | :33:33. | |
currently on the medication. They all have mitochondrial | :33:34. | :33:44. | |
depletion system as well as Charlie, but theirs is caused | :33:45. | :33:47. | |
by a slightly different gene. You're bypassing the normal chemical | :33:48. | :33:49. | |
reactions that happen in the cell. You're going right to the end, which | :33:50. | :33:54. | |
is what the cell normally does, You're giving the body nucleosides | :33:55. | :33:58. | |
and then you're increasing So Charlie should get his | :33:59. | :34:01. | |
strength back, if it works. We've got around a 50% chance of it | :34:02. | :34:10. | |
crossing the blood-brain barrier, so that means getting | :34:11. | :34:12. | |
into his brain, because his He still has brainwaves, but they're | :34:13. | :34:15. | |
slower than they should be. But, yeah, it has a good chance | :34:16. | :34:21. | |
of crossing the blood-brain barrier and that's what the new research | :34:22. | :34:25. | |
is about. We now have seven | :34:26. | :34:27. | |
doctors supporting us. Two from America, two from Italy, | :34:28. | :34:29. | |
one from England and two from Spain. They all specialise in mitochondrial | :34:30. | :34:35. | |
depletion syndrome. At Great Ormond Street | :34:36. | :34:40. | |
they have a lot of specialities under one roof, but they don't have | :34:41. | :34:43. | |
anyone who specialises I know that structural | :34:44. | :34:45. | |
damage is irreversible, although there have been cases | :34:46. | :34:52. | |
where even that is reversible. We expect that the structural damage | :34:53. | :34:57. | |
is irreversible, but I am yet to see something that tells me my son has | :34:58. | :35:00. | |
got irreversible Do you have any sense | :35:01. | :35:02. | |
throughout this process about whether or not | :35:03. | :35:05. | |
he is suffering? I wouldn't be able to sit | :35:06. | :35:11. | |
there and watch my son suffer or be in pain, | :35:12. | :35:14. | |
I promise you that. A lot of people say, | :35:15. | :35:16. | |
"I couldn't do it. He doesn't have the best life | :35:17. | :35:18. | |
at the moment because If he was given a tracheostomy, then | :35:19. | :35:26. | |
we could take him out to the park. We would probably be at home now, | :35:27. | :35:33. | |
but for some reason they think it is in his best interest | :35:34. | :35:36. | |
to keep him on the There are much more | :35:37. | :35:39. | |
comfortable ways. He watches videos on the iPad | :35:40. | :35:42. | |
and stuff like that. If he was suffering, | :35:43. | :35:50. | |
I couldn't do it, I promise you. I think a lot of people | :35:51. | :35:53. | |
think this is wrong. We've got one set of doctors | :35:54. | :35:57. | |
blocking us from going We've now got two hospitals | :35:58. | :35:59. | |
willing to take Charlie, so effectively two sets of doctors | :36:00. | :36:04. | |
that we have been These guys are experts | :36:05. | :36:06. | |
in this field. They've got medical | :36:07. | :36:11. | |
licence to protect. They wouldn't do a treatment that | :36:12. | :36:20. | |
didn't have a chance of working. It always had a chance, but now that | :36:21. | :36:23. | |
chance is being put up to 10%. I think that's a good enough chance | :36:24. | :36:27. | |
to take an oral medication Tomorrow is the 11th, which is three | :36:28. | :36:30. | |
months since the judgment, and that's all we asked | :36:31. | :36:36. | |
for, three months. In all that time, we | :36:37. | :36:40. | |
could have tried it. We could have been having a trial | :36:41. | :36:42. | |
today saying shall Charlie carry Or, you know, is it in his best | :36:43. | :36:45. | |
interest to die now? But yet I am still fighting | :36:46. | :36:49. | |
for the same thing that I have been We can cross to Mark Lobel, who's | :36:50. | :36:52. | |
at Great Ormond Street Hospital. It is the hospital that feels the | :36:53. | :37:08. | |
life-support machine should be switched off that is going back to | :37:09. | :37:11. | |
the same judge at the High Court to look at this potential new evidence? | :37:12. | :37:18. | |
That's right. Of course, it has come after pressure from the parent and | :37:19. | :37:21. | |
from some members of the International medical community that | :37:22. | :37:25. | |
in around four and a half hours' time, as you say, the High Court | :37:26. | :37:29. | |
judges are again going to get a chance to decide what is in the best | :37:30. | :37:35. | |
interests for 11-month-old Charlie, who is behind at the in Great Ormond | :37:36. | :37:40. | |
Street Hospital. He has this rare syndrome, so he has to be helped to | :37:41. | :37:46. | |
breathe. That is just one of the unfortunate characteristics that the | :37:47. | :37:51. | |
parents desperately want to change. As you say, it is actually Great | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
Ormond Street Hospital that have gone forward and found with this new | :37:56. | :37:58. | |
evidence that they have been presented with another reason to ask | :37:59. | :38:01. | |
judges to consider again whether Charlie should have this oral | :38:02. | :38:07. | |
medication. It is only being used by 18 people, 18 children worldwide who | :38:08. | :38:09. | |
have similar, but not the same condition as Charlie. And they are | :38:10. | :38:18. | |
being asked to find out whether Charlie would probably benefit from | :38:19. | :38:22. | |
this. Some people think he has a one in ten chance of benefiting from | :38:23. | :38:25. | |
this treatment and it would make him feel better. If the judges decided | :38:26. | :38:29. | |
that it would, he will be allowed to go to America. But, and there is a | :38:30. | :38:36. | |
big but, there are strict criteria in the UK and the balance of | :38:37. | :38:39. | |
decision-making is very thin. For example, if it was seen as | :38:40. | :38:44. | |
unacceptably harsh, the treatment, or it wouldn't necessarily sustain a | :38:45. | :38:48. | |
child's life for very long, they would not go ahead with it. So it is | :38:49. | :38:52. | |
a tough decision and when they were presented with this decision before, | :38:53. | :38:55. | |
the High Court didn't go through with it. That matters because if | :38:56. | :38:58. | |
they don't go through with it, there is a chance that they would turn off | :38:59. | :39:03. | |
the machines that are keeping the 11-month-old Charlie alive at the | :39:04. | :39:10. | |
moment. Thank you, Mark. The hearing is two o'clock this afternoon but we | :39:11. | :39:13. | |
are not expecting a final decision today. Next to Iraq. | :39:14. | :39:17. | |
Thousands of people killed and injured and more than 800,000 | :39:18. | :39:20. | |
left without homes after a long and bloody battle to reclaim | :39:21. | :39:22. | |
the Iraqi city of Mosul from the grips of so-called Islamic | :39:23. | :39:25. | |
Yesterday, Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi declared | :39:26. | :39:31. | |
the country's second biggest city liberated from IS control | :39:32. | :39:34. | |
after they occupied it nine months ago. | :39:35. | :39:42. | |
Once known as an economic and cultural centre of north-western | :39:43. | :39:47. | |
Iraq, Mosul had been home to nearly 2 million people. | :39:48. | :39:49. | |
So what has been left and what does the future hold for the lives | :39:50. | :39:52. | |
of those caught up in the conflict and the city's streets left | :39:53. | :39:55. | |
The BBC's Jonathan Beale is in the heart of the war-torn | :39:56. | :40:01. | |
city, and has witnessed rescue teams searching for survivors | :40:02. | :40:03. | |
Ali says he spoke to his brother on this phone when he was trapped | :40:04. | :40:18. | |
This territory just there is under IS control, | :40:19. | :40:38. | |
just a small parcel of land. | :40:39. | :40:43. | |
The families are making their way through any way they can. | :40:44. | :40:47. | |
And as you can see, they are really desperate. | :40:48. | :41:08. | |
These families said they had little food or water. | :41:09. | :41:11. | |
They've left behind loved ones under rubble. | :41:12. | :41:14. | |
Many will carry the scars of this battle for the rest of their lives. | :41:15. | :41:22. | |
Let's talk now to Raffaello Pantucci, Director of | :41:23. | :41:25. | |
International Security Studies at the foreign affairs think tank | :41:26. | :41:27. | |
From Newcastle we have Dr Ahmed Sabaawi, | :41:28. | :41:34. | |
who was born and raised in Mosul and his parents and brothers | :41:35. | :41:37. | |
In Erbil, which is around two and a half hours' drive from Mosul, | :41:38. | :41:43. | |
is Campbell MacDiarmid, a freelance journalist based in Iraq | :41:44. | :41:46. | |
who has been covering the battle to retake Mosul since it began last | :41:47. | :41:49. | |
from the International Committee of the Red Cross. | :41:50. | :41:53. | |
She was in the city at the end of this week and will be returning | :41:54. | :41:56. | |
And from Mosul we have Stephanie Remion, who is currently | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
working as an emergency coordinator at a hospital in West Mosul | :42:01. | :42:03. | |
Stefanie, tell us about the devastation of the city and about | :42:04. | :42:18. | |
the lives of civilians who have survived this battle? We are located | :42:19. | :42:28. | |
about three kilometres from the last active fighting area, so what I can | :42:29. | :42:33. | |
tell you is not really what is happening on the front line or in | :42:34. | :42:38. | |
the old city right now. But as you said about the civilian patients who | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
arrived to us from the old city, they come with war trauma related | :42:44. | :42:49. | |
injuries such as blast wounds, explosion wounds, Shell wounds, | :42:50. | :42:57. | |
trauma wounds etc. They are in a desperate state. They tell us they | :42:58. | :43:01. | |
have been waiting for days under the rubble until they were able to be | :43:02. | :43:10. | |
brought to a hospital. So it is a world of devastation. Sarah from the | :43:11. | :43:19. | |
Red Cross, Sarah Alzawqari, you were in Mosul last week. What help were | :43:20. | :43:29. | |
you giving to people? I would like to also add that the humanitarian | :43:30. | :43:39. | |
concern is extremely high. Right now, we have a surgical team which | :43:40. | :43:43. | |
was just a kilometre away from the front line and although they have | :43:44. | :43:48. | |
not received many blast injuries in the last couple of days, they have | :43:49. | :43:51. | |
received a lot of people who were under the rubble all who had | :43:52. | :43:59. | |
injuries from unexploded devices. The area is heavily contaminated. | :44:00. | :44:03. | |
Everywhere inside Mosul, you will find bullets. There are families who | :44:04. | :44:09. | |
tried to go back home and soon as they opened the door, there were | :44:10. | :44:14. | |
booby traps. Kids stepped on landmines. And of course, the | :44:15. | :44:19. | |
situation becomes more and more difficult. The help that we have | :44:20. | :44:28. | |
been given, we also know it is important for those who are going | :44:29. | :44:31. | |
back to have access to water. There was a lot of infrastructure that has | :44:32. | :44:38. | |
been destroyed. Thousands of houses, bridges, roads, of course | :44:39. | :44:44. | |
electricity, water plants. It is hard for people to go back with no | :44:45. | :44:49. | |
homes, schools, hospitals or places like that. There is nothing to go | :44:50. | :44:55. | |
back to, especially in areas that have witnessed heavy fighting. Let | :44:56. | :45:02. | |
me bring in Dr Ahmed Sabaawi, because his family is still there. | :45:03. | :45:14. | |
What are they telling you? My family are in a part of the city which has | :45:15. | :45:19. | |
been liberated since January. I have some relatives and friends who have | :45:20. | :45:25. | |
just fled the western part of the city. The situation now is better, | :45:26. | :45:37. | |
but the western part is the old city of Mosul, with old housing, against | :45:38. | :45:43. | |
area. There are more than 20,000 civilians trapped there as hostages | :45:44. | :45:49. | |
and human shields. Our Iraqi army and security forces have done an | :45:50. | :45:55. | |
extraordinary job and they have completed their mission with their | :45:56. | :45:58. | |
heads held high. But the hard work is starting now. There are hundreds | :45:59. | :46:05. | |
of thousands of families in refugee camps. They have lost their lives | :46:06. | :46:09. | |
and their houses. In the city, we have too many children who have | :46:10. | :46:17. | |
found themselves alone because their parents were dead in the war. | :46:18. | :46:23. | |
Let me bring in Campbell MacDiarmid, a freelance journalist covering the | :46:24. | :46:30. | |
battle to retake Mosul. You are in Irbil now, about five Hours Drive | :46:31. | :46:34. | |
away, but in terms of the significance of this, this | :46:35. | :46:37. | |
liberation of Mosul, how significant is it? It is certainly a major | :46:38. | :46:42. | |
victory for the Government of Iraq, it strikes a real deathblow to the | :46:43. | :46:49. | |
notion of Isis as a caliphate that can attract members from overseas, | :46:50. | :46:53. | |
as we saw back in 2014 there were thousands coming to join. But what | :46:54. | :46:58. | |
we've already started to see is that as they lose territory the group is | :46:59. | :47:04. | |
able to revert to insurgent terrorist tactics that we have seen | :47:05. | :47:09. | |
before in Iraq over the last decade. Already in Mosul and liberated areas | :47:10. | :47:14. | |
we have seen suicide bombings, we have seen that further afield in | :47:15. | :47:17. | |
Iraq and I think we can continue to see that overseas as well. Let me | :47:18. | :47:21. | |
bring in Raffaello Pantucci, because you agree with the point Campbell | :47:22. | :47:26. | |
was making, fighters change the way they look, shave their beards, and | :47:27. | :47:29. | |
returned to cause more chaos? I think the point is we have to | :47:30. | :47:34. | |
remember the group we look at now and call so-called Islamic State has | :47:35. | :47:37. | |
been around since the late 90s in one shape or another and since that | :47:38. | :47:39. | |
time it has moved into Iraq in 2002, 2003 and participated | :47:40. | :47:54. | |
in this insurgency against American led forces fighting in the country, | :47:55. | :47:57. | |
and it grew and shrank again in 2008, 2009, when it shrank to the | :47:58. | :48:00. | |
hills and was pushed back. In the wake of the Civil War in Syria it | :48:01. | :48:03. | |
managed to grow the game and grow and grow to the expansive engorged | :48:04. | :48:07. | |
form that we have seen in terms of containing Mosul and Raqqa and now | :48:08. | :48:11. | |
we see it shrinking again. What I think Campbell is pointing out, the | :48:12. | :48:15. | |
group taking back to the hills, going back to the insurgent gorilla | :48:16. | :48:20. | |
model is what we will see, rather than completely disappearing. Could | :48:21. | :48:24. | |
they return to Mosul in a few months? And a lot will depend on | :48:25. | :48:26. | |
what the Iraqi Government in Baghdad needs to | :48:27. | :48:42. | |
reach out to the Sunni people in Mosul and say, we are here for you | :48:43. | :48:48. | |
as well? As we have seen from the pictures there has been incredible | :48:49. | :48:51. | |
devastation, making sure that get put together, making sure people | :48:52. | :48:54. | |
feel that their Government really represents them and is eager for | :48:55. | :49:01. | |
them to be part of Iraq is key to making sure the city is inoculated | :49:02. | :49:05. | |
from so-called Islamic State. We have seen a direct correlation | :49:06. | :49:08. | |
between IS losing some of its territory and terrorist attacks | :49:09. | :49:13. | |
abroad in Manchester, London, Paris, Nice, various other cities, is that | :49:14. | :49:19. | |
going to continue, do you think? I think the intent to launch attacks | :49:20. | :49:23. | |
on the West remains and we have seen it has become incredibly diffuse, | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
whereas previously we saw the model of the large-scale attacks like | :49:28. | :49:30. | |
Paris and Brussels, there is still an aspiration in that direction but | :49:31. | :49:34. | |
increasingly we are seeing this directive from a distance where | :49:35. | :49:37. | |
people are talking to people at of Raqqa and Mosul who are telling | :49:38. | :49:40. | |
them, take a car and mow down some people, do the sorts of things, and | :49:41. | :49:45. | |
it becomes part of their message. I think we will see that continue but | :49:46. | :49:51. | |
it will be interesting to see how it develops as a methodology as the | :49:52. | :49:54. | |
group loses territory. Campbell, is it significant the Prime Minister | :49:55. | :49:57. | |
there has not declared victory yet? We have seen the Government of Iraq | :49:58. | :50:02. | |
is eager to claim victories, one of the things we have seen throughout | :50:03. | :50:06. | |
this campaign is that officers have tended to get a bit premature with | :50:07. | :50:10. | |
declarations of victory so I think it is a good thing that he hasn't | :50:11. | :50:15. | |
made a formal declaration yet while there is still fighting on going | :50:16. | :50:21. | |
because that undermines what is a very significant victory and I think | :50:22. | :50:25. | |
we will see that declaration very soon, in the coming one or two days. | :50:26. | :50:32. | |
Stephanie, tell our British audience about the conditions you are working | :50:33. | :50:40. | |
game in the hospital where you are? The hospital is in very good shape, | :50:41. | :50:46. | |
of course most of the hospitals have been destroyed during the conflict | :50:47. | :50:50. | |
so the MSF team had to find a place that was correct in terms of | :50:51. | :50:59. | |
structure so that we the could open in good conditions. Today the | :51:00. | :51:08. | |
conditions inside the hospital are very good, of course coming everyday | :51:09. | :51:12. | |
to the hospital from our base is where we cross the city with houses | :51:13. | :51:19. | |
collapsed in rubble, etc. And Sarah, what kind of things do you need, and | :51:20. | :51:24. | |
your workers, in order to be able to help people on the ground? Of course | :51:25. | :51:31. | |
there are many things that are needed at the moment, it is going to | :51:32. | :51:36. | |
be very difficult for the cities to stand up, it is going to be a very | :51:37. | :51:40. | |
difficult road for the people. They have been traumatised, they left | :51:41. | :51:44. | |
under very difficult situations and heavy bombardment with explosive | :51:45. | :51:47. | |
weapons, being shot at, they have lost a lot of family members on the | :51:48. | :51:51. | |
way, or they don't know what has happened to them. We are on the | :51:52. | :51:55. | |
ground, we are giving everything that we could, whether it is | :51:56. | :52:00. | |
emergency relief all food or medical supplies, even rehabilitation and | :52:01. | :52:06. | |
building water units. It will take a lot of work from everyone. I think | :52:07. | :52:09. | |
one of the biggest challenges as well right now which we and other | :52:10. | :52:15. | |
organisations are going to step into even more is with the dead bodies | :52:16. | :52:19. | |
that are currently, there are thousands of dead bodies in Mosul | :52:20. | :52:26. | |
under the rubble, on the streets, a lot of hospitals are receiving them | :52:27. | :52:31. | |
and it is becoming very hard to transport them, people don't have | :52:32. | :52:35. | |
the correct means and facilities or training to be able to transport | :52:36. | :52:39. | |
them in a dignified manner. And at the same time in a hygienic | :52:40. | :52:46. | |
way. So this is a huge issue, we have been donating tracks for | :52:47. | :52:52. | |
transportation and body bags but a lot more will be needed in the next | :52:53. | :52:58. | |
weeks, especially as the fighting is over. Thank you all very much, we | :52:59. | :53:03. | |
are grateful for your time. Thank you for your messages about | :53:04. | :53:08. | |
the prison system. We brought you exclusive interviews with serving | :53:09. | :53:11. | |
prison officers, which is really rare because they are worried about | :53:12. | :53:16. | |
losing their job. Obviously we disguised their voices. This text | :53:17. | :53:19. | |
from somebody who does not leave their name, as a former female | :53:20. | :53:21. | |
prisoner serving just a short sentence, I stayed in three jails. | :53:22. | :53:43. | |
In every prison mobile phones were on every wing and drugs were more | :53:44. | :53:45. | |
available than outside. I have nothing but respect for all the | :53:46. | :53:48. | |
prison officers who helped me on numerous occasions I encountered | :53:49. | :53:50. | |
officers at the end of their ability to cope and in tears. I could only | :53:51. | :53:53. | |
imagine men's prisons must be worse. We will talk more about the state of | :53:54. | :53:55. | |
British jails after the news and sport, coming up at 10am. | :53:56. | :53:59. | |
Before that, the Shadow Education Secretary Angela Rayner | :54:00. | :54:01. | |
has come under attack, being described as sounding "thick" | :54:02. | :54:03. | |
by some people on twitter after her appearance | :54:04. | :54:10. | |
on the the Andrew Marr Show yesterday morning. | :54:11. | :54:15. | |
Let's have a listen to a clip from the programme... | :54:16. | :54:17. | |
I believe many working class and part-time and older mature | :54:18. | :54:20. | |
There's three things that the coalition government helped | :54:21. | :54:23. | |
the Conservatives with that have led to the disastrous | :54:24. | :54:25. | |
Of course you mentioned the hiking of tuition fees, | :54:26. | :54:28. | |
but there was the removal of the maintenance grants. | :54:29. | :54:30. | |
There was the increase in the percentage of loans. | :54:31. | :54:33. | |
They changed it so they couldn't use the base rate of the Bank of England | :54:34. | :54:36. | |
and they upped the percentage that people paid. | :54:37. | :54:38. | |
And of course the threshold of income, meaning more | :54:39. | :54:41. | |
students would pay back more from the beginning as well. | :54:42. | :54:44. | |
The Stockport-born MP, who has been the Member of Parliament | :54:45. | :54:46. | |
for Ashton-under-Lyne since 2015, responded by saying | :54:47. | :54:48. | |
she was proud of her accent and would not be changing. | :54:49. | :54:50. | |
She tweeted, anonymous account attacking my accent again, saying I | :54:51. | :54:56. | |
am sick etc? I will reiterate I am proud of my | :54:57. | :54:59. | |
accent and will not change. In response she was trolled with a | :55:00. | :55:02. | |
variety of tweets including means. We can speak now to Dr Rob Drummond, | :55:03. | :55:08. | |
who is a senior lecturer in linguistics at Manchester | :55:09. | :55:11. | |
Metropolitan University and has written about the abuse levelled | :55:12. | :55:14. | |
at Angela Rayner and her accent. Hello to you, Doctor Rob Drummond. | :55:15. | :55:24. | |
What do you think? I think it is really bad that in this day and age, | :55:25. | :55:28. | |
2017, people are still getting abuse for the way they speak. I think it | :55:29. | :55:32. | |
is great, the way she speaks, more than any other politician she speaks | :55:33. | :55:36. | |
in the same accent as the people she represents, and I think when MPs are | :55:37. | :55:40. | |
being accused of being out of touch with the people they represent, I | :55:41. | :55:43. | |
think this should be celebrated, that she has such a genuine regional | :55:44. | :55:49. | |
accent and she is proud of it. Linda says this, she mistook 11 billion | :55:50. | :55:56. | |
and 100 billion, that is enough for me. | :55:57. | :55:58. | |
Another says, it is nothing to do with her accent. One says, from | :55:59. | :56:05. | |
Newcastle, I have met people who think I am friendly but | :56:06. | :56:08. | |
unsophisticated, as if we still have an outside toilet! There is this | :56:09. | :56:12. | |
prejudice and I think it is really quite bad. If you replace the idea | :56:13. | :56:17. | |
of accent with any other thing to do with people, such as ethnicity, | :56:18. | :56:21. | |
sexuality, gender, Iti replace those kinds of words you would soon | :56:22. | :56:26. | |
realise that it is really not good, it is quite damaging. That is a | :56:27. | :56:29. | |
really fair point. Angela Rayner has a very interesting background, | :56:30. | :56:33. | |
mother of three, her eldest son was born when she was 16, in her first | :56:34. | :56:37. | |
speech to the House of Commons she said a care worker becoming an MP, | :56:38. | :56:44. | |
that is real aspiration for you. Perhaps as the only member of the | :56:45. | :56:47. | |
house who was 16 and pregnant, she was told she would never amount to | :56:48. | :56:51. | |
anything, if only they could see me now. Exactly, she has done really | :56:52. | :56:54. | |
well and I think part of her appeal is that she is so genuine, she is | :56:55. | :56:59. | |
authentic. The way we speak is so much a part of who we are, and she | :57:00. | :57:03. | |
comes across as completely authentic. I think it is great. We | :57:04. | :57:08. | |
also have reverse prejudice in this country, if you speed to posh you | :57:09. | :57:19. | |
will also be criticised and cold online. You can, and to be fair | :57:20. | :57:22. | |
there were politicians who have had that as well, think about Jacob Rees | :57:23. | :57:25. | |
Mogg, who has probably one of the pot used -- poshest RP accent, I | :57:26. | :57:28. | |
remember in his early days I think trying to get elected in Fife, he | :57:29. | :57:33. | |
had no chance. He said as soon as he opened his mouth he realised he was | :57:34. | :57:38. | |
losing votes. It is all to do with how people perceive different | :57:39. | :57:43. | |
positions and different jobs to be, and a Conservative politician | :57:44. | :57:46. | |
generally is seen as having that kind of accent, and that is what is | :57:47. | :57:51. | |
expected, so if somebody is outside that, and similar for Angela Rayner, | :57:52. | :57:56. | |
especially being involved in education, there is a perception of | :57:57. | :58:00. | |
the kind of accent she should have, or traditionally that the | :58:01. | :58:03. | |
post-holder has had, and when something is different from that | :58:04. | :58:06. | |
people get a bit upset about it. Thank you very much, Doctor Rob | :58:07. | :58:10. | |
Drummond from Manchester Metropolitan University. | :58:11. | :58:13. | |
Jackie says, accents should not matter, ability to communicate | :58:14. | :58:15. | |
matters and Angela Rayner communicates well. | :58:16. | :58:25. | |
Stevie Smith says, the irony is that the BBC only ever use posh London, | :58:26. | :58:30. | |
friendly northern Glaswegian accents, the BBC are close minded | :58:31. | :58:34. | |
when it comes to accidents. Another says, your accent is no | :58:35. | :58:37. | |
reflection on your ability to do a job well, there are lots of | :58:38. | :58:42. | |
successful fix sounding people. News and sport on the way. First, | :58:43. | :58:44. | |
let's get the latest weather. The weather on the change today and | :58:45. | :58:53. | |
through the coming days, some suntan on offer but the risk of showers or | :58:54. | :58:57. | |
longer spells the rain and it. To be fresher and more comfortable by | :58:58. | :59:02. | |
night for sleeping and the risk of some breezy conditions as we head to | :59:03. | :59:05. | |
the end of the week. We have low pressure in charge of our weather | :59:06. | :59:09. | |
today, with that it is fairly unsettled, a weather front bringing | :59:10. | :59:13. | |
more persistent rain through tonight but for the rest of today are | :59:14. | :59:15. | |
essentially it is sunshine and showers, some of the showers happy | :59:16. | :59:20. | |
and thundery especially across the south-east, potential for some | :59:21. | :59:23. | |
surface water flooding, elsewhere a day of sunshine and showers. Parts | :59:24. | :59:27. | |
of Northern Ireland and Scotland, an improvement compared with yesterday, | :59:28. | :59:32. | |
still a bit of cloud around, sunny spells, the best of the sunshine | :59:33. | :59:36. | |
across northern parts of Scotland, for much of England a day of | :59:37. | :59:38. | |
sunshine and showers, the showers heavier in the east. Further west, | :59:39. | :59:44. | |
for Wales a day of sunshine and showers, temperatures around 19 | :59:45. | :59:48. | |
Celsius, lots of dry weather for Devon and Cornwall and as we head | :59:49. | :59:52. | |
into London we have had become downpours so if you are going to | :59:53. | :59:55. | |
Wimbledon this afternoon the potential for a few showers, 30% | :59:56. | :00:00. | |
chance we could see those showers but also there will be some sunshine | :00:01. | :00:04. | |
to enjoy, temperatures around 24 Celsius. Through tonight the showers | :00:05. | :00:08. | |
will ease and then all eyes to the west, we have another weather front | :00:09. | :00:10. | |
making its way in from the West, heavy rain coming | :00:11. | :00:28. | |
into parts of England and Wales and Northern Ireland, the further south | :00:29. | :00:30. | |
and east you are it is drier and still relatively muddy but still | :00:31. | :00:33. | |
fresh in the North, eight to 13 Celsius across Scotland. Tomorrow | :00:34. | :00:35. | |
and north-south split, northern part enjoying sunny spells but also the | :00:36. | :00:37. | |
risk of showers. Further south we have the rain gradually tracking its | :00:38. | :00:39. | |
way eastwards, heavy pulses likely as well as we go through the day so | :00:40. | :00:42. | |
there will be some rain for Wimbledon tomorrow. Temperatures | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
between 13 to about 21 Celsius. As we head into Wednesday, an | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
improvement, once this weather front clears south-east we can look | :00:50. | :00:53. | |
forward to dry and bright weather, the link pleasant enough in the | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
sunshine but certainly cooler than the last few days, temperatures | :00:58. | :00:58. | |
ranging between 14 to about 22 Celsius. As | :00:59. | :01:14. | |
we head to the end of the week, a mixture of sunshine and showers with | :01:15. | :01:16. | |
the potential for breezy conditions through Thursday and Friday, so keep | :01:17. | :01:18. | |
the sunscreen to hand and you will need your umbrella. | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
We have exclusive access to serving prison officers | :01:23. | :01:25. | |
who say the service is at crisis point and it's "only a matter | :01:26. | :01:28. | |
of time before a prison officer is killed on duty". | :01:29. | :01:31. | |
And I just hope that at the end of the day, | :01:32. | :01:34. | |
Those prison officers have risked their jobs to talk to us. | :01:35. | :01:46. | |
In the next hour, your experiences if you work within the prison | :01:47. | :01:52. | |
service and we will speak to a representative of the Prison | :01:53. | :01:55. | |
Officers Association and a former governor, plus an inmate. | :01:56. | :01:56. | |
The parents of terminally ill baby Charlie Gard say interest | :01:57. | :01:58. | |
in the case by the Pope and Donald Trump have | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
They say they still have hope he will be allowed to travel | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
Theresa May has spent one year as Prime Minister, while some say | :02:06. | :02:15. | |
she is in a precarious position her second in command has | :02:16. | :02:18. | |
this message for the Vonservative MPs trying to get rid of her... | :02:19. | :02:21. | |
What do you say to Conservative MPs who are plotting to get rid of her? | :02:22. | :02:25. | |
I think there is less of this than you would think. | :02:26. | :02:27. | |
I have been around Westminster long enough to know that | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
in July, there is lots of chatter, but I know absolutely that the | :02:33. | :02:35. | |
overwhelming majority of my Conservative colleagues in | :02:36. | :02:37. | |
Parliament are firmly behind the Prime Minister. | :02:38. | :02:50. | |
Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :02:51. | :02:54. | |
The case of the terminally ill baby Charlie Gard is due to return | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
Great Ormond Street Hospital in London has asked judges | :02:59. | :03:04. | |
to consider new evidence relating to potential treatment | :03:05. | :03:07. | |
The courts have previously backed the view of his doctors that nothing | :03:08. | :03:11. | |
can be done to improve his quality of life, and they should | :03:12. | :03:14. | |
be allowed to switch off his life support systems | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
Charlie's mum Connie Yates has been telling Radio 4's Today programme | :03:20. | :03:22. | |
about her son. His pulse is nice and settled. He | :03:23. | :03:31. | |
wakes up, he enjoys his tickles. He watches videos on the iPad and stuff | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
like that. If he was suffering, I couldn't do it, I promise you. | :03:37. | :03:38. | |
Theresa May is to call on rival political parties to "contribute | :03:39. | :03:41. | |
In her first major speech since the general election, | :03:42. | :03:44. | |
the Prime Minister will say her commitment to change | :03:45. | :03:46. | |
But with the Conservatives losing their overall majority, | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
she'll say the reality she faces means she has to approach | :03:50. | :03:52. | |
Labour said Mrs May's speech proves her party has | :03:53. | :03:55. | |
"run out of ideas" - a claim rejected by one of her | :03:56. | :03:58. | |
There are huge issues facing this country. Brexit is clearly the | :03:59. | :04:11. | |
overwhelming one, but it is not just that. Theresa May is as ambitious as | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
she ever was with her domestic agenda, which is why this week we | :04:16. | :04:18. | |
will be talking about workers' rights. Later in the year, we will | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
be setting out our new industrial strategy. There is a lot to be done | :04:23. | :04:25. | |
and she is getting on with it and the government is getting on with | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
it. You can hear Victoria's full interview with Damian Green in a few | :04:31. | :04:32. | |
minutes' time. The European Court of Human Rights | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
is expected to rule on the case of a Scottish man fighting the UK's | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
longest extradition case. Phillip Harkins, who is originally | :04:41. | :04:43. | |
from Greenock, has been fighting extradition to the United States | :04:44. | :04:45. | |
for 14 years. The 38-year-old denies | :04:46. | :04:47. | |
murdering a man in a robbery If the case at the European Court | :04:48. | :04:49. | |
of Human Rights goes against him, he could face trial in America | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
for first degree murder. The Iraqi prime minister Haider | :04:55. | :04:56. | |
al-Abadi has congratulated his armed forces on their victory over | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
Islamic State militants in Mosul. It's nine months since government | :05:01. | :05:02. | |
forces launched an attack Much of it has been | :05:03. | :05:04. | |
reduced to rubble. Counter-terror police have launched | :05:05. | :05:11. | |
a film telling holiday-makers how to react in the event of a terrorist | :05:12. | :05:13. | |
attack in their resort. The video shows an attack by gunmen | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
on a hotel and repeat advice to run, The four-minute video shows families | :05:18. | :05:30. | |
and hotel staff fleeing the sound of gunshots, | :05:31. | :05:33. | |
barricading themselves into rooms and being treated as potential | :05:34. | :05:35. | |
suspects by armed police. A Coldplay fan who went | :05:36. | :05:37. | |
to the band's recent concert at Croke Park in Dublin became more | :05:38. | :05:40. | |
involved than he expected. Rob had been crowd-surfing | :05:41. | :05:43. | |
in his wheelchair when he was spotted by lead singer, | :05:44. | :05:45. | |
Chris Martin. He was then invited on stage | :05:46. | :05:46. | |
and drew huge cheers from the crowd of more than 70,000 people | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
when he brought out Rob described his | :05:50. | :05:52. | |
experience as "amazing". Carol from Inverness says, my accent | :05:53. | :06:11. | |
is often taken as being aggressive as well as weigh less intelligent | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
and not educated. Deborah e-mails to say, I got turned down for a job as | :06:17. | :06:19. | |
I was told my voice was not conducive to telesales. So I rang up | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
sales director using my telephone voice and complained about one of | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
their products. At the end of the conversation, I came clean and got | :06:29. | :06:32. | |
the job. I have often been judged on my London accent and I am convinced | :06:33. | :06:36. | |
I have often been misjudged, but that only lasts fleetingly. Kevin | :06:37. | :06:41. | |
says, people will always judge you. If it is not your accent, it is the | :06:42. | :06:46. | |
way you dress or the way you look. I speak five languages and have an | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
accent in each of them. I don't let it bother me. It is what I say that | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
is important. If you're getting in touch, you are welcome. | :06:56. | :06:57. | |
Here's some sport now with Leah Boleto. | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
A big day at Wimbledon today as Andy Murray and Johanna Konta | :07:01. | :07:03. | |
are both fighting for a spot in the quarter-finals. | :07:04. | :07:05. | |
If they do both get through, it'll be the first time | :07:06. | :07:12. | |
Britain's had a man and a woman in the last eight. | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
After a day's rest, there was a bit of training | :07:18. | :07:20. | |
Today Murray is up against Frenchman Benoit Paire, | :07:21. | :07:26. | |
who hasn't made a grand slam quarter-final, ever! | :07:27. | :07:28. | |
Expectations are high for Murray, but he's favourite | :07:29. | :07:30. | |
All the action on Centre Court at around 3 o'clock today. | :07:31. | :07:36. | |
But it's Johanna Konta who holds the first slot on Centre Court this | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
afternoon, taking on Caroline Garcia of France - that's at 1 o'clock. | :07:41. | :07:42. | |
They've both met four times before, each winning twice, with Garcia | :07:43. | :07:45. | |
beating Jo in their most recent clash in March. | :07:46. | :07:54. | |
And given that Britain hasn't had a female quarter-finalist | :07:55. | :07:56. | |
since 1984, we can expect quite a party this lunchtime. | :07:57. | :07:58. | |
Cricket now, because Joe Root's first test since taking over | :07:59. | :08:01. | |
from Alastair Cook ended in a 211 run victory at Lords. | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
Man of the match Moeen Ali gave a fantastic performance, ripping | :08:06. | :08:08. | |
The side won't be changed for Friday's Second | :08:09. | :08:11. | |
We know they are going to come back hard at Trent Bridge and we will | :08:12. | :08:27. | |
have to play well. But to be 1-0 up, it is the first time we have beaten | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
them here for a long time. Everything I have asked of the lads | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
this week, they have dived straight into and have gone about in a | :08:35. | :08:41. | |
brilliant way and made my life a lot easier. | :08:42. | :08:42. | |
The win came moments after England's women got a crucial three-run win | :08:43. | :08:45. | |
the first time they've managed that in 24 years! | :08:46. | :08:52. | |
The win puts England in a strong position to qualify | :08:53. | :08:54. | |
for the semi-finals as they sit top of the points table. | :08:55. | :09:01. | |
And finally, Wayne Rooney is leaving Manchester United after 13 years | :09:02. | :09:04. | |
to return to Everton, where he played as a teenager. | :09:05. | :09:07. | |
The striker says that winning a trophy with Everton "would be | :09:08. | :09:09. | |
And he's just admitted that even though he's been wearing | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
United's red shirt in the day, he's been slipping into his Everton | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
I actually have been wearing pyjamas at home with my kids. I have to keep | :09:18. | :09:36. | |
that a bit quiet. But it's great. We don't have a picture of the PJs | :09:37. | :09:44. | |
in question, but this is what we think | :09:45. | :09:47. | |
they might look like. Victoria, you're not sure | :09:48. | :09:50. | |
they'd get past Coleen, Assaulted by having excrement | :09:51. | :09:52. | |
stuffed in your face, inmates out of control on drugs | :09:53. | :10:09. | |
and a work life so stressful, you drink a bottle of spirits | :10:10. | :10:12. | |
a day to escape. Just a few of the things serving | :10:13. | :10:14. | |
prison officers have exclusively They're risking their jobs | :10:15. | :10:17. | |
just by speaking to us. Since 2010, the number of frontline | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
prison officers has fallen by some 7,000 to 18,000 and budgets have | :10:23. | :10:25. | |
been cut severely. In recent months, jails have | :10:26. | :10:27. | |
experienced some of the worst rioting in decades as the decline | :10:28. | :10:32. | |
in standards has Around 240 prisoners were moved | :10:33. | :10:34. | |
off the site after 12 And just yesterday, it was announced | :10:35. | :10:40. | |
that more than 200 kilos of drugs and 13,000 mobile | :10:41. | :10:50. | |
phones had been found It's very rare for serving prison | :10:51. | :10:52. | |
officers to speak out - they spoke to Dan Clark Neal, | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
who's a former We've protected the identities | :10:57. | :10:58. | |
of the officers who've spoken We played you Dan's | :10:59. | :11:01. | |
full film earlier - here's a short version | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
before we speak to various All the background footage | :11:06. | :11:08. | |
you'll see in this film is from the BBC archive | :11:09. | :11:11. | |
and was not shot in the prisons Drugs is a massive, | :11:12. | :11:14. | |
massive issue now compared They spoke openly about friends, | :11:15. | :11:21. | |
gang members, getting receiving sort of two | :11:22. | :11:30. | |
year sentences because they know when they get in there | :11:31. | :11:41. | |
there's quite a strong drug feed. There were talking about making | :11:42. | :11:44. | |
several thousand pounds a month just through selling | :11:45. | :11:47. | |
drugs in prison. Prisoners are specifically | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
now going out and doing a crime to be recalled | :11:53. | :11:54. | |
because they can earn more money coming in with drugs, | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
mobile phones and SIM cards. That never | :12:00. | :12:01. | |
happened 20 years ago. Just before I left | :12:02. | :12:03. | |
we had a member of staff who ended up with a broken | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
nose, potentional broken finger, Excrement thrown in my face, | :12:08. | :12:10. | |
he basically put excrement in a bag and he ran up behind me and shoved | :12:11. | :12:23. | |
it in my face, eyes, nose, mouth, it was the worst feeling | :12:24. | :12:26. | |
in the world, like, we didn't know their medical | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
records, I didn't know whether he had HIV, hepatitis, | :12:31. | :12:33. | |
which is all carried So the next day I was in | :12:34. | :12:35. | |
the hospital having all the tests When you join the Armed Forces | :12:36. | :12:43. | |
and you're fighting on the battlefield, anything can | :12:44. | :12:51. | |
happen, you can survive, you can get killed, you can | :12:52. | :12:54. | |
get seriously injured. After the training, it was, I think, | :12:55. | :13:08. | |
eight to nine weeks' It was just, you're | :13:09. | :13:10. | |
on the wing, and that is it. We are getting officers who are 20, | :13:11. | :13:18. | |
21 years of age, what And they are telling a 40, | :13:19. | :13:21. | |
50-year-old to go behind the door? Who's probably done | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
ten years already. There's no respect, no authority | :13:27. | :13:28. | |
and there's no discipline. There's been a big issue | :13:29. | :13:30. | |
with retention and recruitment You do recruit good | :13:31. | :13:32. | |
people, but they tend to Honestly, I used to wake up | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
in the morning and feel And I just hope that | :13:37. | :13:42. | |
at the end of the day When I'm not at work, | :13:43. | :13:49. | |
when I'm on holiday, it's fine. How much are you drinking most days | :13:50. | :14:07. | |
when you are at work? Then we get up the next morning | :14:08. | :14:10. | |
and act as if nothing's wrong. Let's speak now to David Todd from | :14:11. | :14:33. | |
the Prison Officers Association, Jonathan Robinson, who served 17 | :14:34. | :14:35. | |
weeks of a 15 month sentence in 2011 and John Attard, who spent seven | :14:36. | :14:46. | |
years as governor at Holloway and is from the Prison | :14:47. | :14:55. | |
Governors' Association. David, how do you react to this kind | :14:56. | :15:03. | |
of insight? Unfortunately, it is nothing new. There has been a rise | :15:04. | :15:07. | |
in assaults on prison staff and a rise in assaults on prisoners. Until | :15:08. | :15:13. | |
last December, there were 344 deaths in custody. Prison officers have to | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
deal with this. They have to deal with the violence. It takes its | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
toll. There is a massive rise in post-traumatic stress disorder | :15:23. | :15:27. | |
amongst my members. An officer on his own to close up more than 60 | :15:28. | :15:33. | |
prisoners. Is that the normal or is that unusual? In some of the inner | :15:34. | :15:36. | |
London jails, you will have more than that. You will have two menace | :15:37. | :15:41. | |
of staff looking up 160 prisoners and trying to control that many with | :15:42. | :15:43. | |
two staff is asking the impossible. Is it asking the impossible, as a | :15:44. | :15:55. | |
prison governor? I think it is, the crisis we are referring to right now | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
is something the Prison Officers' Association was sensitive to a | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
number of years ago and most people will be well be called for an | :16:06. | :16:08. | |
independent public inquiry last year at our annual conference into the | :16:09. | :16:12. | |
crisis prisons are in, and David refers to the statistics, but the | :16:13. | :16:19. | |
statistics we are hearing are actually not completely relevant, | :16:20. | :16:21. | |
the statistics we need to look at are those that go back five years | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
when the austerity cuts first kicked in. If we look at serious assaults | :16:26. | :16:32. | |
on staff, it is close to 200%, the increase. If we look at a | :16:33. | :16:35. | |
self-inflicted deaths in custody, the increase is something like 117%. | :16:36. | :16:40. | |
The figures are proud so simply going back 12 years is an irrelevant | :16:41. | :16:44. | |
figure, it is just a Canada reference, not a real reference. | :16:45. | :16:58. | |
So, when the Government says, amongst other things, they are | :16:59. | :17:01. | |
spending a lot of money and employing an extra 2500 prison | :17:02. | :17:03. | |
officer is, new measures to tackle violence, drugs and mobile phones, | :17:04. | :17:06. | |
how is that going, in your eyes? Anything the Government do to | :17:07. | :17:08. | |
improve things is welcome but the fact is over the last five years | :17:09. | :17:11. | |
around 900 million, nearly ?1 billion was stripped out of prisons, | :17:12. | :17:16. | |
we lost 7000 prison officers and 5000 prison governors. What we are | :17:17. | :17:19. | |
looking at right now is the tip of the iceberg and if we are going to | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
seek a different it is going to need a bigger push. We talked about | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
public sector pay, who wants to be a prison officer or prison governor | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
when we have had seven years of capped pay? It is not an attractive | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
environment to work in. Jonathan, from your point of view, tell our | :17:37. | :17:42. | |
audience about the number of mobile phones inside jails, the level of | :17:43. | :17:51. | |
drugs inside jails. Well, Dan's film is the tip of the iceberg. I served | :17:52. | :17:58. | |
a fully justified very short sentence in 2011, so that makes me | :17:59. | :18:06. | |
an expert. I remember meeting a young man in his early 20s and he | :18:07. | :18:09. | |
said to me, I have been put in here on purpose to make money, and I took | :18:10. | :18:17. | |
that with a pinch of salt. But now I don't doubt him, because I've met so | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
many people, I'd visit prisons a lot, get searched very rarely when I | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
go into them, and young people are getting themselves deliberately | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
recalled all put in custody deliberately to make money, and they | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
enter prison with drugs about their person. When I arrived at HP Bedford | :18:37. | :18:43. | |
in July 2011 we were about six people, we were searched, but not | :18:44. | :18:49. | |
one of us were invited to sit in the chair, which was a machine in place | :18:50. | :18:53. | |
that I now know if you sit in it it will detect whether you have | :18:54. | :18:56. | |
something about your person. The prisons system, whilst I am | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
extremely grateful to compassionate prison officer is, the prison | :19:02. | :19:08. | |
system, you are parachuted in, quite justifiably, is a den of apathy and | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
missed opportunity for sorting people out once we had got them in | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
custody. Believe it or not, so many young people in jail want to turn | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
their lives around, but we're doing hardly anything with them. When you | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
meet a young person in his early 20s who tells you he is serving his | :19:26. | :19:29. | |
ninth prison sentence, the pennies start to drop that we are not doing | :19:30. | :19:35. | |
enough with folk once we have got them, and the standard | :19:36. | :19:39. | |
administration responds off, we are employing 2500 more staff, is just a | :19:40. | :19:45. | |
joke. It is not going to cut it? In terms of searches, are you going to | :19:46. | :19:48. | |
tell me it is impossible to search everyone visiting the jail or sit | :19:49. | :19:52. | |
them in the bass chair because they're not staff? Unfortunately | :19:53. | :20:02. | |
that is the current situation. Sorry to interrupt, but if you don't serve | :20:03. | :20:05. | |
everyone then for those officers it will create more problems inside the | :20:06. | :20:15. | |
jail? It will, and unfortunately the public are only being made aware | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
because prison officers and my union, the POA, had a protest which | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
we stayed out on the streets and had it. I know they have never taken | :20:24. | :20:33. | |
steps like that but we have highlighted things with the public | :20:34. | :20:37. | |
through our actions. If we had enough prison offices in post we | :20:38. | :20:40. | |
could search properly. Searching strategies at the minute are | :20:41. | :20:45. | |
laughable. From your view from the inside, Jonathan, what would you | :20:46. | :20:48. | |
change? Would you give prisoners mobile phones? No, I would start to | :20:49. | :20:55. | |
utilise better the time in prison, at the moment purposeful activity | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
has only risen 1% in five years. Being brave and giving mobile phones | :21:00. | :21:02. | |
and tablets would be too much for the very right wing. I would like to | :21:03. | :21:09. | |
see a full working day for inmates, including training. There is a | :21:10. | :21:15. | |
wonderful example of how this works, a charity or prison restaurants, on | :21:16. | :21:20. | |
Friday every single one of their restaurants around the country was | :21:21. | :21:23. | |
number one on trip advisor. Prisoners who have been through the | :21:24. | :21:28. | |
scheme, the reoffending rate is only 6%. Compared to two thirds of | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
reoffending broadly? If that is not a template for using prison time | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
purposefully, I don't know what is. And the food is yummy! First of all, | :21:38. | :21:44. | |
can you imagine governors staging a protest by the prison officers did? | :21:45. | :21:49. | |
It is not something that we would contemplate but bearing in mind it | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
is against the law for us to take industrial action, but I do get a | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
sense, and the PGA gets the sense that feeling at the moment is the | :21:59. | :22:04. | |
lowest I have ever known it. What has happened is depressing, we talk | :22:05. | :22:07. | |
about what should happen now to make things better, we need to take | :22:08. | :22:12. | |
prisons say. It is important to not speak in generic terms, there are | :22:13. | :22:15. | |
some prisons that are doing very well but it is large local prisons | :22:16. | :22:19. | |
where we are struggling and if we want prison to be a better place, it | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
has to be said for, and in order for that you need more staff to be able | :22:25. | :22:28. | |
to do that, including prison governors. And would you back what | :22:29. | :22:32. | |
Jonathan is suggesting, and meaningful, proper working day to | :22:33. | :22:36. | |
try and cut the reoffending rates? You can only have a reasonable | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
working day it you put enough staff... Oh, yes, absolutely. Having | :22:41. | :22:45. | |
said that, most of my sentence was in an open prison where we had a | :22:46. | :22:49. | |
tennis court, very few staff in an open prison. We talk about more | :22:50. | :22:52. | |
money possibly being required, in my open prison we all sat about | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
sunbathing. I had been trained by the system to teach if it would | :22:58. | :23:00. | |
prisoners to read, a private education company that you are | :23:01. | :23:06. | |
paying for banned the scheme, so is it that the justice system needs | :23:07. | :23:11. | |
more money, or do they need to spend the money more wisely? Some | :23:12. | :23:17. | |
contracts are in their millions. An e-mail, I have worked as a probation | :23:18. | :23:21. | |
officer in prisons for some years, experienced older staff are | :23:22. | :23:24. | |
essential to maintaining the necessary discipline and rapport | :23:25. | :23:27. | |
with inmates. Martin on e-mail says, the biggest | :23:28. | :23:31. | |
problem for prison officers is savage cuts since 2010 and it is a | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
matter of time until we have a catastrophe. | :23:36. | :23:38. | |
This text says, prison officers are very well paid in recognition of | :23:39. | :23:41. | |
what they may have to do in the course of their work. | :23:42. | :23:44. | |
Mohammed on e-mail says, I feel for these offices, I am ex-police and I | :23:45. | :23:51. | |
know exactly what they are going through. | :23:52. | :23:53. | |
Thank you very much all of you for coming on the programme. | :23:54. | :23:54. | |
A year ago, Theresa May was taking over as Prime Minister in the wake | :23:55. | :23:57. | |
She enjoyed positive personal poll ratings and opened up | :23:58. | :24:01. | |
12 months later, and after a disastrous election | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
she didn't need to hold but decided to anyway, how different it | :24:07. | :24:09. | |
all looks, with many in her party asking when - | :24:10. | :24:11. | |
Let's take a look back at her eventful year in charge. | :24:12. | :24:16. | |
Brexit means Brexit, and we are going to make a success of it. | :24:17. | :24:24. | |
I have just been to Buckingham Palace, where Her Majesty The Queen | :24:25. | :24:31. | |
has asked me to form a new Government, | :24:32. | :24:33. | |
If you're just managing, I want to address you directly. | :24:34. | :24:37. | |
The Article 50 process is now under way. | :24:38. | :24:42. | |
And, in accordance with the wishes of the British people, | :24:43. | :24:44. | |
the United Kingdom is leaving the European Union. | :24:45. | :24:46. | |
The only way to guarantee certainty and stability for the years ahead | :24:47. | :24:49. | |
is to hold this election and seek your support | :24:50. | :24:52. | |
Nothing has changed, nothing has changed. | :24:53. | :25:02. | |
The Conservative Party has won the most seats | :25:03. | :25:05. | |
and probably the most votes, then it will be incumbent on us | :25:06. | :25:11. | |
to ensure that we have that period of stability, and that is exactly | :25:12. | :25:14. | |
Damian Green is the first Secretary of State and what of Theresa May's | :25:15. | :25:36. | |
closest allies. I spoke to him earlier and he began by defending | :25:37. | :25:39. | |
Mrs May against claims she is a lame-duck Prime Minister. | :25:40. | :25:41. | |
She's not a lame-duck Prime Minister. | :25:42. | :25:46. | |
She is still full of ideas, full of determination. | :25:47. | :25:48. | |
Well, she has a parliamentary majority. | :25:49. | :25:51. | |
But even your own Conservative backbenchers and some former senior | :25:52. | :25:56. | |
Cabinet ministers are apparently plotting to get rid | :25:57. | :25:58. | |
The first duty of the Government is to make sure it passes | :25:59. | :26:06. | |
the Queen's Speech legislation, which means we have got | :26:07. | :26:08. | |
a legislative programme for the next two years. | :26:09. | :26:10. | |
Absolutely, she and the Government have the authority to put that | :26:11. | :26:18. | |
OK, what do you say to Conservative MPs who are plotting | :26:19. | :26:22. | |
I think there is less of this than you would think. | :26:23. | :26:29. | |
I've been around Westminster long enough to know that in July | :26:30. | :26:34. | |
there's lots of chatter, but I know absolutely | :26:35. | :26:36. | |
that the overwhelming majority of my Conservative | :26:37. | :26:38. | |
colleagues in Parliament are firmly behind the Prime Minister. | :26:39. | :26:41. | |
And for those who aren't, because you say an overwhelming | :26:42. | :26:44. | |
majority of colleagues are behind her, meaning some aren't, | :26:45. | :26:46. | |
for those who aren't, what do you say to those | :26:47. | :26:48. | |
who are plotting how to get rid of her? | :26:49. | :26:51. | |
I'd say that the Conservative Party won most seats and most votes | :26:52. | :26:54. | |
at the general election and that everyone now should get | :26:55. | :26:59. | |
on with the job that the country has given us, which is running this | :27:00. | :27:03. | |
country in the way that meets our Conservative principles. | :27:04. | :27:09. | |
There are a lot of issues that we face, not just Brexit | :27:10. | :27:12. | |
What the people of this country want is a Government that | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
Well, that's always a sensible view that we have. | :27:18. | :27:24. | |
There is, I think, no public desire for another election. | :27:25. | :27:32. | |
The Government is getting on with that job. | :27:33. | :27:39. | |
There are serious issues facing this country, | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
and it's time for all MPs to knuckle down to work | :27:45. | :27:47. | |
to contribute what they can, to set their ideas, | :27:48. | :27:49. | |
This Government is getting on with doing it and it deserves | :27:50. | :27:58. | |
We will talk to two people about her first year in a moment, but let me | :27:59. | :28:13. | |
bring you this news, British man Philip Parkins, wanted for murder in | :28:14. | :28:18. | |
the United States, has lost his long-running battle against | :28:19. | :28:21. | |
extradition, he had a final appeal to the European Court of Human | :28:22. | :28:24. | |
Rights in Strasbourg, he has lost that which means he will be | :28:25. | :28:27. | |
extradited to the United States to face trial for murder. We will bring | :28:28. | :28:31. | |
you more reaction to that in the next half an hour of the programme. | :28:32. | :28:33. | |
Let's talk to Joey Jones, who was Mrs May's spokesman | :28:34. | :28:36. | |
when she was Home Secretary but didn't follow her | :28:37. | :28:38. | |
And Kate Maltby, who helped set up Bright Blue, a Conservative | :28:39. | :28:41. | |
think-tank that campaigns for a more modern, compassionate Tory Party. | :28:42. | :28:50. | |
How is that going, Kate? We're getting there. Jerry Jones, how | :28:51. | :28:59. | |
would you assess her first year as Prime Minister? It brought back some | :29:00. | :29:02. | |
memories watching that montage, lots of things in that which one would | :29:03. | :29:07. | |
not have expected to play out in the way that they did. I don't think any | :29:08. | :29:12. | |
of us would imagine we would wake up to hear that Theresa May was | :29:13. | :29:15. | |
reaching out to the hand of friendship, if you like, to a Labour | :29:16. | :29:20. | |
Party led by Jeremy Corbyn, as seems to be the case at the moment, | :29:21. | :29:24. | |
suggesting a new spirit of consensual and grown-up politics, | :29:25. | :29:30. | |
Dominic Greene saying that there was space for dialogue between the two | :29:31. | :29:35. | |
parties. That is only a few weeks after she opened and concluded a | :29:36. | :29:40. | |
successful dialogue with the unions in Northern Ireland which are | :29:41. | :29:42. | |
obviously a very different kettle of fish, so it is quite a lot that she | :29:43. | :29:46. | |
seems to feel she can juggle and manage from a position that I think | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
we all agree is not a strong one at the moment. What do you think of | :29:51. | :29:54. | |
that, Kate, this appeal to her opponents to contribute. Just | :29:55. | :30:01. | |
criticise? Any Prime Minister should be using Parliament as a place to | :30:02. | :30:05. | |
really debate the ideas of the moment, that is why we send a wide | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
range of representatives, but I'm afraid this all sounds rather hollow | :30:10. | :30:12. | |
from a Prime Minister who just a few months ago, you showed it on the | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
screen, was standing up talking about those who were trying to | :30:17. | :30:19. | |
undermine Brexit, blocking the will of the people. You remember the big | :30:20. | :30:23. | |
Daily Mail headline, crush the saboteurs. That is not quite what | :30:24. | :30:27. | |
Theresa May said herself but you of all people will know Theresa May has | :30:28. | :30:30. | |
very close links to the Daily Mail, or certainly had then. You cannot go | :30:31. | :30:41. | |
from talking about crushing the saboteurs in Parliament to turning | :30:42. | :30:43. | |
around and embracing your opponent in the spirit of constructive debate | :30:44. | :30:45. | |
the next. There are so many reasons to be sceptical about this proposed | :30:46. | :30:48. | |
course of action. Theresa May has a history of being able to work in a | :30:49. | :30:51. | |
consensual way with people across the divide in Parliament, actually | :30:52. | :30:55. | |
when I was in the Home Office there was a big effort to bring people on | :30:56. | :31:00. | |
board for the IP bill that was going through, is very complicated bill | :31:01. | :31:03. | |
described by some as the snooper's charter, and that was an issue where | :31:04. | :31:08. | |
there was a lot of haggling, a lot of talk with people who you would | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
not have expected her to be talking to, but this is different, this is | :31:13. | :31:18. | |
on a different scale. Yes, because she had power as Home Secretary, | :31:19. | :31:22. | |
potentially has she got less power as Prime Minister? Broadly speaking, | :31:23. | :31:25. | |
for that proposal, although contentious, there was a | :31:26. | :31:29. | |
Parliamentary majority for the taking. Here, if you look at it | :31:30. | :31:32. | |
temperamentally and tonally, it is so bar out of the comfort zone for | :31:33. | :31:36. | |
Theresa May that it feels like a different planet and in terms of the | :31:37. | :31:39. | |
substance is there very much that she and Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party | :31:40. | :31:44. | |
agree on? Well, the interview was a bit longer with that and I went | :31:45. | :31:48. | |
through some other things parties might contribute and nothing that | :31:49. | :31:51. | |
the Conservative Party would agree with. But on that subject of whether | :31:52. | :31:55. | |
she can reach across the aisle, she at least, by the very fact she has | :31:56. | :32:00. | |
appointed Damian Green as first Secretary of State, he is going out | :32:01. | :32:04. | |
on all of the TV programmes as her human shield, he is the minister | :32:05. | :32:07. | |
always sent out to absorb bad press for Theresa May. That should remind | :32:08. | :32:14. | |
us that Theresa May is at least capable of having close allies who | :32:15. | :32:18. | |
actually come from very different ideological backgrounds. Damian | :32:19. | :32:20. | |
Green is associated with the left of the party, he is privately very | :32:21. | :32:26. | |
pro-Britain's relationship with the EU but they have forged a very close | :32:27. | :32:30. | |
working relationship over years of mutual respect in the Home Office, | :32:31. | :32:34. | |
where he was her junior, and what that should remind us is that there | :32:35. | :32:37. | |
is not really a Theresa May doctrine, there is no such thing as | :32:38. | :32:42. | |
Mayism. And there may not be time for it if, come the Conservative | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
Party conference in September, a few Conservatives get together and | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
decide to organise some kind of leadership contest? The end could be | :32:51. | :32:55. | |
tomorrow, next week, next month, next year, nobody can predict, it is | :32:56. | :32:58. | |
in the hands of the Conservative Party. One of the key thing is they | :32:59. | :33:01. | |
will be thinking is, what does Theresa May still stand for? So much | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
has had to be jettisoned and if you look at the areas where there is | :33:06. | :33:10. | |
cross-party agreement, there was an article yesterday jointly signed by | :33:11. | :33:14. | |
Ed Vaizey and Rachel Reeves in the TelegraphConservative and one | :33:15. | :33:19. | |
Labour. And that was trying to pick an area where Theresa May has dug in | :33:20. | :33:24. | |
her heels, the European Court of Justice, so there is potential | :33:25. | :33:28. | |
agreement there but only chipping away still further from what the | :33:29. | :33:31. | |
Prime Minister stood for. How long did you work for her? The blink of | :33:32. | :33:36. | |
an eye, three months and then 12 hours in Downing Street. | :33:37. | :33:44. | |
Could she show compassion? Definitely. Thank you both. Still to | :33:45. | :33:52. | |
come: It's been the UK's longest ever | :33:53. | :33:53. | |
extradition battle - but now Philip Harkins has | :33:54. | :33:55. | |
lost his fight to avoid extradition to the US - | :33:56. | :33:58. | |
we'll hear from the family of the man he is | :33:59. | :34:00. | |
accused of killing... Another chance for the | :34:01. | :34:02. | |
terminally-ill baby Charlie Gard. With a judge due to examine renewed | :34:03. | :34:11. | |
claims the proposed treatment We speak to our Health | :34:12. | :34:13. | |
Correspondent Fergus Walsh. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom | :34:14. | :34:16. | |
with a summary of today's news. A British man wanted for murder | :34:17. | :34:19. | |
in the United States has lost his long-running legal | :34:20. | :34:22. | |
battle against extradition Phillip Harkins, who is originally | :34:23. | :34:25. | |
from Greenock, has been fighting extradition to the United States | :34:26. | :34:28. | |
for 14 years. The 38-year-old denies | :34:29. | :34:31. | |
murdering a man in a robbery this morning, the European Court of | :34:32. | :34:48. | |
Human Rights said his rights would not be breached if he were jailed | :34:49. | :34:49. | |
for life in Florida. The case of the terminally ill baby | :34:50. | :34:50. | |
Charlie Gard is due to return Great Ormond Street Hospital | :34:51. | :34:53. | |
in London has asked judges to consider new evidence relating | :34:54. | :34:56. | |
to potential treatment The courts have previously backed | :34:57. | :34:58. | |
the view of his doctors that nothing can be done to improve his quality | :34:59. | :35:03. | |
of life, and they should be allowed to switch | :35:04. | :35:05. | |
off his life support systems The Prime Minister is to signal a | :35:06. | :35:14. | |
change in her style of government, calling for cross-party consensus on | :35:15. | :35:19. | |
ideas. In her first speech since the general election, Theresa May will | :35:20. | :35:23. | |
say her commitment to change Britain is undimmed, but she will say the | :35:24. | :35:27. | |
reality she faces means she has to approach politics differently. She | :35:28. | :35:30. | |
will also call on other parties to contribute, not just criticise. | :35:31. | :35:34. | |
The government has said it's determined to tackle failings | :35:35. | :35:36. | |
in the prison service, after it was revealed that | :35:37. | :35:38. | |
since 2010, the number of frontline prison officers has fallen by some | :35:39. | :35:41. | |
7,000 to 18,000 and budgets have been cut severely. | :35:42. | :35:43. | |
Two prison officers have spoken to this programme | :35:44. | :35:49. | |
about the reality of working inside prisons in England | :35:50. | :35:51. | |
and Wales in order, they say, to expose the problems and violence | :35:52. | :35:54. | |
I was punched and then had excrement thrown in my face. He basically put | :35:55. | :36:09. | |
excrement in a bag, and he ran up behind me and shoved it in my face, | :36:10. | :36:15. | |
eyes, nose, mouth. It was the worst feeling in the world. We don't know | :36:16. | :36:18. | |
their medical records. I didn't know whether he had HIV, hepatitis, which | :36:19. | :36:27. | |
is all carried in human waste. So the next day, I was in the hospital | :36:28. | :36:31. | |
having all the tests to see if I had contacted anything. | :36:32. | :36:32. | |
That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC | :36:33. | :36:34. | |
Here's some sport now with Leah Boleto. | :36:35. | :36:40. | |
Andy Murray and Johanna Konta are both fighting for a spot | :36:41. | :36:48. | |
If they do both get through, it'll be the first time | :36:49. | :36:56. | |
that Britain's had a man and a woman in the last | :36:57. | :37:02. | |
Joe Root's first test since taking over from Alastair Cook ended | :37:03. | :37:06. | |
in a 211 run victory over South Africa at Lords. | :37:07. | :37:10. | |
Meanwhile, England's women have ended a 24 year wait | :37:11. | :37:12. | |
for a World Cup win over Australia, thanks to a three | :37:13. | :37:15. | |
It puts them in a strong position to reach the semis. | :37:16. | :37:19. | |
And Wayne Rooney is leaving Manchester United after 13 years | :37:20. | :37:21. | |
to return to Everton, where he played as a teenager. | :37:22. | :37:25. | |
The striker says that winning a trophy with Everton "would be | :37:26. | :37:28. | |
He's also just admitted that even though he's been | :37:29. | :37:34. | |
wearing United's red shirt in the day, he's been slipping | :37:35. | :37:36. | |
Next, we're talking tuition fees in England and mounting pressure | :37:37. | :37:46. | |
on the government to rethink the student loans system | :37:47. | :37:48. | |
which according to one report we brought you last week can leave | :37:49. | :37:52. | |
students with a debt of more than ?50,000 | :37:53. | :37:53. | |
We're joined now by Lord Andrew Adonis, a former education | :37:54. | :37:57. | |
minister for Labour, who came up with the tuition fee | :37:58. | :38:00. | |
idea, and who now says they should be scrapped altogether. | :38:01. | :38:07. | |
Paul Howden was a mature student who reckons he'll have | :38:08. | :38:12. | |
about ?60,000 worth of debt, but still think tuition | :38:13. | :38:14. | |
Rory Hughes is about to graduate in two weeks and thinks he'll have | :38:15. | :38:19. | |
We're also joined by the head of the National Union | :38:20. | :38:22. | |
of Student Shakira Martin - who wants an urgent review | :38:23. | :38:25. | |
Let's begin with you, Lord Adonis. How have you had this incurable | :38:26. | :38:32. | |
change of heart from the man who was the architect of these fees to | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
saying they should be abolished? I haven't had a change of heart. We | :38:37. | :38:40. | |
introduced fees at ?3000, with no real rate of interest. What happened | :38:41. | :38:44. | |
in 2010 when the government changed was that David Cameron and Nick | :38:45. | :38:51. | |
Clegg increased the fees from ?3000 to ?9,000. And from no real rate of | :38:52. | :38:56. | |
interest, they have gone to a 6% real rate of interest. It is not | :38:57. | :39:04. | |
sustainable. That is why people have debts of ?50,000. Even introducing | :39:05. | :39:09. | |
?3000 with a very low interest rate, you know the way it is going to go. | :39:10. | :39:14. | |
It is only going to go up. That is untrue. We gave a commitment that | :39:15. | :39:18. | |
the fees would not increase beyond the rate of inflation. That is what | :39:19. | :39:22. | |
we would have done if we had stayed in government in 2010. Of course, no | :39:23. | :39:26. | |
government can be responsible for what its successor does. But | :39:27. | :39:31. | |
students were not happy at the time with ?3000. But they accepted the | :39:32. | :39:36. | |
system. They did not accept the principle. We did not have massive | :39:37. | :39:42. | |
campaigns against. People thought it was fair. Is that right, Shakira? | :39:43. | :39:50. | |
Did undergraduates accept the principle? I think students want | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
free and accessible education, so anything that is a barrier to | :39:56. | :40:00. | |
that... But the increase over the last few years has been a big issue | :40:01. | :40:04. | |
and that has got students really angry. Let's bring in Rory. How much | :40:05. | :40:15. | |
debt do you think you will have by the time you graduate? Roughly | :40:16. | :40:21. | |
?35,000 without calculating interest, and interest will start | :40:22. | :40:23. | |
accumulating while you are still studying and while you are still | :40:24. | :40:27. | |
paying it off, so it will probably end up in excess of ?45,000. And do | :40:28. | :40:33. | |
you think that is different from getting a loan to buy a house, or a | :40:34. | :40:40. | |
loan to buy a car? Yes. The system is different. It doesn't function as | :40:41. | :40:45. | |
a loan. It functions as a 9% income tax once you earn over ?21,000 a | :40:46. | :40:51. | |
year. It comes out by PAYE. So it is different. It is a regressive way of | :40:52. | :40:57. | |
funding further education. So instead of levying it on high | :40:58. | :41:02. | |
earners or the top 5% of corporations, which would be the | :41:03. | :41:04. | |
progressive thing to do, we are levying the cost of tuition fees on | :41:05. | :41:09. | |
anyone who earns over ?21,000 a year with a 9% income tax which is | :41:10. | :41:15. | |
treated as a loan. So the people who benefit from the university | :41:16. | :41:20. | |
education pay for it. But we all benefit from university education in | :41:21. | :41:25. | |
society. If you are trained as a nurse or doctor or teacher or a | :41:26. | :41:29. | |
lawyer, you have some benefit to your career, of course, but society | :41:30. | :41:34. | |
benefits from having those skilled graduates in society. University | :41:35. | :41:37. | |
education is a public good, not a private good. If you earn a lot of | :41:38. | :41:43. | |
money as a graduate, without these debts you would already be paying it | :41:44. | :41:49. | |
back through progressive taxation. Lord Of The Rings, are you saying to | :41:50. | :41:53. | |
scrap it all together or to take it back to the -- Lord Adonis, are you | :41:54. | :42:01. | |
saying to scrap it or to take it back to ?3000? Education is a public | :42:02. | :42:05. | |
good but higher education is also a private good. If everybody got | :42:06. | :42:10. | |
higher education, then paying for it through the tax system would make | :42:11. | :42:14. | |
sense. But that is not the case. There is a substantial benefit to | :42:15. | :42:17. | |
the individual and only a minority get it. What would I do now? If the | :42:18. | :42:22. | |
fees have not been increased beyond ?3000 and we did not have a real | :42:23. | :42:27. | |
rate of interest and we had students and the government making a | :42:28. | :42:30. | |
contribution, I would have kept the old system. The problem now is that | :42:31. | :42:40. | |
?9,000 plus 6% is in my view... 6% is the interest rate that will be | :42:41. | :42:43. | |
brought in from autumn. And you start paying it immediately when you | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
take out the loans. So students are graduating with debts of ?50,000 | :42:49. | :42:53. | |
plus, accumulating interest every week. My view is that is not | :42:54. | :42:57. | |
sustainable. When you have a baroque system that has big additions here, | :42:58. | :43:03. | |
a flying buttress there, it is not sustainable. Sustainable for who? | :43:04. | :43:08. | |
Sustainable politically. It will not last. So you are not saying | :43:09. | :43:14. | |
sustainable financially. The question is what to do. My view is | :43:15. | :43:20. | |
that we should do two things. We should encourage universities to | :43:21. | :43:22. | |
recruit international students, who do pay fees and there is a vibrant | :43:23. | :43:28. | |
international market. We have good universities and we are good at | :43:29. | :43:32. | |
that. Where is the government has been dissuading universities from | :43:33. | :43:35. | |
recruiting overseas students by counting them in the immigration | :43:36. | :43:39. | |
figures, which is a stupid error. I am not sure that puts people off | :43:40. | :43:44. | |
applying to Oxford and Cambridge. But there are 128 other universities | :43:45. | :43:49. | |
and it is putting a lot though off. The second thing is, we should put | :43:50. | :43:56. | |
up a top rate of tax by a few pence, and the 40p rate of tax is almost | :43:57. | :44:00. | |
entirely paid by graduates. So when people said the alternative to the | :44:01. | :44:03. | |
current system is that the poor pay, that is not true. If it is the top | :44:04. | :44:07. | |
rate that goes up, that is paid for by graduates, so that acts as an | :44:08. | :44:11. | |
effective graduate tax. Then you could sweep away the whole of the | :44:12. | :44:14. | |
current system. Universities would be fairly funded. You would have | :44:15. | :44:17. | |
more international students and students would not be saddled with | :44:18. | :44:27. | |
debt. Shakira, what do you want? We want scrapped tuition fees. We want | :44:28. | :44:33. | |
free education. And do you want the reintroduction of maintenance | :44:34. | :44:37. | |
grants? We want the reintroduction of maintenance grants to give poorer | :44:38. | :44:41. | |
students the opportunity to access university and to stay at | :44:42. | :44:45. | |
university. It is one thing to say more people from marginalised | :44:46. | :44:48. | |
backgrounds are accessing it, but one may look at the figures, the | :44:49. | :44:53. | |
number who are staying in completing their studies is very low. How would | :44:54. | :45:01. | |
university education be paid for, then? I don't agree with the | :45:02. | :45:07. | |
argument of their not being enough money. It is evident when the Prime | :45:08. | :45:10. | |
Minister needs to find ?1.5 billion to stay in government with the DUP | :45:11. | :45:15. | |
that they can find it. When we pay one of the lowest corporation tax | :45:16. | :45:20. | |
rates in the world as one of the biggest financial countries in the | :45:21. | :45:27. | |
world, there is money to do it. It is evident since the general | :45:28. | :45:29. | |
election that young people are coming out to vote. This is a policy | :45:30. | :45:34. | |
they care about, and my students will no longer take lip service. | :45:35. | :45:39. | |
Politicians and the parties need to take this seriously, because we want | :45:40. | :45:44. | |
an education that is liberating for every body and as of right and not a | :45:45. | :45:46. | |
privilege. I strongly agree with Shakira, there | :45:47. | :45:55. | |
should be a review. I heard on the radio last week, they were | :45:56. | :46:02. | |
emphatic... There is going to be reviewed... Of the interest rate? | :46:03. | :46:08. | |
You have to start answering the question of how you raise the money | :46:09. | :46:11. | |
if you cut the interest rate, will he stick to the ?9,250 tighter RPI, | :46:12. | :46:18. | |
are the Conservatives going to go into the next election without? I | :46:19. | :46:22. | |
don't believe it. In the Tory manifesto they did say there would | :46:23. | :46:26. | |
be a review into the education system. Where is that with you? We | :46:27. | :46:30. | |
want that right now and as the National Union of Students we should | :46:31. | :46:35. | |
have a seat on that represent our members and be shaping the type of | :46:36. | :46:38. | |
education system that we want. I think that is completely right. | :46:39. | :46:43. | |
Thank you very much, Lord Andrew Dennis and Shakira Martin from the | :46:44. | :46:47. | |
NUS, and thank you very much, Rory. Thank you very much, | :46:48. | :46:54. | |
congratulations, you know you will graduate in a couple of weeks. | :46:55. | :46:58. | |
We could not bring you Paul Hadden who reckons he will have around | :46:59. | :47:01. | |
?60,000 worth of debt but still things to receive fees are a good | :47:02. | :47:10. | |
idea. -- still things tuition fees are a good idea. | :47:11. | :47:11. | |
Charlie Gard's parents return to the High Court today | :47:12. | :47:14. | |
with new evidence which they hope will save his life. | :47:15. | :47:16. | |
The 11-month-old little boy is terminally-ill, | :47:17. | :47:17. | |
having been born with a rare genetic condition which means he can't move | :47:18. | :47:21. | |
I'm joined by our health correspondent Fergus Walsh. | :47:22. | :47:25. | |
Sorry, I was looking over there and you are here! So, first of all, what | :47:26. | :47:35. | |
is happening this afternoon? On Friday, Great Ormond Street asked | :47:36. | :47:41. | |
the original High Court judge, Robert Francis, to have a look at | :47:42. | :47:46. | |
some new evidence that was sent in a letter on Friday morning, so it is | :47:47. | :47:52. | |
all happening very quickly, from the Vatican's Children's Hospital, | :47:53. | :47:58. | |
signed by seven doctors and researchers, saying there was | :47:59. | :48:02. | |
unpublished data about this nucleoside therapy, this | :48:03. | :48:04. | |
experimental treatment that the parents have raised ?1.3 million for | :48:05. | :48:11. | |
in crowdfunding, that there was this unpublished data suggesting that in | :48:12. | :48:14. | |
mice and patients with a similar but not the same genetic fault as | :48:15. | :48:20. | |
Charlie of dramatic improvement. So, faced with that, faced with that | :48:21. | :48:27. | |
letter they said, OK, even though they had the perfect right, legally, | :48:28. | :48:33. | |
to end life support for Charlie, they decided the right thing to do | :48:34. | :48:36. | |
was to go back to the High Court, said that is where we are at 2pm | :48:37. | :48:39. | |
today. And this is back to the same judge | :48:40. | :48:45. | |
who made the original decision that Charlie Gard's life support should | :48:46. | :48:47. | |
be switched off and he should be allowed to die with dignity. What | :48:48. | :48:53. | |
sort of improvement do Charlie Gard's parents believe might happen | :48:54. | :48:57. | |
if he has access to this medicine? What Connie Yates and Chris Gard | :48:58. | :49:01. | |
have said, and of course you have interviewed them yourself, what they | :49:02. | :49:04. | |
were saying is that they have been told that there is up to a one in | :49:05. | :49:11. | |
ten chance that it could work for Charlie, and Connie said that she | :49:12. | :49:18. | |
was told about a girl in Spain who had been on a ventilator and then a | :49:19. | :49:23. | |
year later was riding a bicycle. Now, the problem with that for the | :49:24. | :49:29. | |
hospital, for Great Ormond Street, is that they have said, and they | :49:30. | :49:34. | |
said on Friday, that Charlie has catastrophic and irreversible brain | :49:35. | :49:40. | |
damage. So the hospital is absolutely adamant, their position | :49:41. | :49:44. | |
has not changed at all, but the parents will not accept the scans | :49:45. | :49:50. | |
and the evidence they have been given by the hospital that he has | :49:51. | :49:54. | |
irreversible structural brain damage, and they say even though | :49:55. | :49:58. | |
there is a very small chance, they want to go ahead with this. But it | :49:59. | :50:08. | |
would be very surprising if this unpublished data suddenly showed | :50:09. | :50:10. | |
incredible improvement that we haven't heard of already, because | :50:11. | :50:14. | |
the people who are putting it forward from the Vatican and from | :50:15. | :50:17. | |
the United States, certainly from the United States, are the same | :50:18. | :50:20. | |
people who were suggesting it might be useful in the earlier court | :50:21. | :50:25. | |
hearing, so they had a chance to put any of that unpublished data then | :50:26. | :50:29. | |
and didn't do it. Thank you very much, Fergus Walsh, | :50:30. | :50:30. | |
our medical editor. Professor Neena Modi is president | :50:31. | :50:31. | |
of the Royal College She's said the considerable media | :50:32. | :50:34. | |
attention and interventions made by individuals such as the pope | :50:35. | :50:37. | |
and Donald Trump had In an open letter this morning, | :50:38. | :50:40. | |
Professor Modi says she's been asked why doctors have not commented | :50:41. | :50:47. | |
on the specifics of the case. She's travelling in | :50:48. | :50:49. | |
Switzerland at the moment, Thank you for talking to us. What is | :50:50. | :51:06. | |
your view today? Exactly as stated in our letter, this is a very | :51:07. | :51:12. | |
distressing and tragic case, unhappily these cases of end of life | :51:13. | :51:16. | |
care for children are not uncommon and it seems to me that what we | :51:17. | :51:21. | |
should be doing as the wider public is allowing the doctors, the family | :51:22. | :51:25. | |
and sadly in this case the court as well to reach a decision as is their | :51:26. | :51:30. | |
duty to try and reach a decision that is in the best interests of the | :51:31. | :51:36. | |
child, it is entirely unhelpful for any external organisation or | :51:37. | :51:40. | |
individual is to attempt to put forward their own points of view in | :51:41. | :51:47. | |
a very public and... Ill considered way. Who is ill considered? I think | :51:48. | :52:00. | |
that, the reason I will not speak about the specifics of this case is | :52:01. | :52:03. | |
that I am not privy to the details and nor should I be, they are | :52:04. | :52:08. | |
confidential. The parents, the child's health care team and indeed | :52:09. | :52:13. | |
now the courts. I don't know the details, I shouldn't know the | :52:14. | :52:16. | |
details and therefore it is not for me to comment on the specifics of | :52:17. | :52:20. | |
the case. But what I can say without any shadow of the doubt is that | :52:21. | :52:23. | |
doctors have a duty to act in the best interests of the patient that | :52:24. | :52:29. | |
they are caring for. Do you disagree with the decision? Sorry to | :52:30. | :52:33. | |
interrupt, do you disagree with the decision by Great Ormond Street to | :52:34. | :52:37. | |
go back to the court today to see the original judge, Mr Justice | :52:38. | :52:41. | |
Francis, to ask him again to look at this unpublished evidence from seven | :52:42. | :52:50. | |
doctors and researchers around the world? It is not for me to agree or | :52:51. | :52:54. | |
disagree because as I said earlier I not privy to the details of the | :52:55. | :52:58. | |
case. But what it is my responsibility to do is to reassure | :52:59. | :53:01. | |
the public and explain to the public that in these sorts of | :53:02. | :53:04. | |
circumstances, which sadly are not rare, it is absolutely the duty of | :53:05. | :53:08. | |
every paediatrician to always have the best interests of the child at | :53:09. | :53:13. | |
heart, and also doctors have to work and practice within the law, they | :53:14. | :53:20. | |
also have to recognise the rights of the child. I think the public should | :53:21. | :53:22. | |
be reassured that it is an absolutely bound to get -- | :53:23. | :53:26. | |
obligation of paediatricians to put the best interests of the child | :53:27. | :53:29. | |
forward and that is absolutely what the doctor that Great Ormond Street | :53:30. | :53:33. | |
will be doing. Thank you very much for your time, we appreciate it. | :53:34. | :53:37. | |
Let me just bring to this breaking news from the High Court, they have | :53:38. | :53:41. | |
rejected claims that the Government is acting unlawfully by failing to | :53:42. | :53:46. | |
suspend the sale of British arms to Saudi Arabia. After seeing the good | :53:47. | :53:50. | |
evidence, in fact, the High Court rejects claims the Government is | :53:51. | :53:54. | |
acting unlawfully by failing to suspend the sale of UK arms to Saudi | :53:55. | :54:00. | |
Arabia, so the sale of UK arms to Saudi Arabia will presumably | :54:01. | :54:01. | |
continue. A British man wanted for murder | :54:02. | :54:03. | |
in the US has lost his long-running legal battle against extradition | :54:04. | :54:06. | |
after a final appeal to the European Court | :54:07. | :54:08. | |
of Human Rights in Strasbourg. Philip Harkins had argued his | :54:09. | :54:10. | |
extradition would violate his human rights relating to inhuman | :54:11. | :54:12. | |
or degrading treatment Let's speak now to Dominic Casciani, | :54:13. | :54:14. | |
our home affairs correspondent First of all, tell our audience what | :54:15. | :54:27. | |
Philip Harkins is accused of in America? | :54:28. | :54:29. | |
Philip Harkins was born in Scotland and when he was 14 he moved to | :54:30. | :54:34. | |
Florida with his family and when he was 21, around 1999, he was accused | :54:35. | :54:39. | |
of being involved in a drugs related armed robbery, and during that | :54:40. | :54:42. | |
robbery and man called Joshua Hayes was shot in the head and | :54:43. | :54:46. | |
subsequently died. That is effectively the murder charge. Mr | :54:47. | :54:49. | |
Harkins said he was not even at the scene, he said he lent his car to | :54:50. | :55:00. | |
someone else but there is disputed evidence about this. In 2002 whilst | :55:01. | :55:03. | |
he was still under investigation as part of that, he left Florida and | :55:04. | :55:05. | |
returned to Scotland. It was there that he was involved in a car crash | :55:06. | :55:08. | |
which led to the death of a 62-year-old woman, he was jailed for | :55:09. | :55:11. | |
that and while he was in jail for that the American authorities said, | :55:12. | :55:14. | |
we want him back in Florida to face trial, triggering this unprecedented | :55:15. | :55:18. | |
14 year extradition battle which has gone on until today. | :55:19. | :55:22. | |
And now he has to go to America? Yes, he has been through the British | :55:23. | :55:26. | |
courts not once but twice, to the European Court, and in essence he | :55:27. | :55:29. | |
was saying there are two issues, the possibility of the death penalty. | :55:30. | :55:34. | |
The Americans said, we will not seek the death penalty in this case if he | :55:35. | :55:38. | |
is convicted, that is a standard procedure which they always offer in | :55:39. | :55:43. | |
British extradition cases. But then Mr Harkins said, well, if I'm going | :55:44. | :55:48. | |
to be jailed for life, life without parole is a breach of my human | :55:49. | :55:52. | |
rights, it is cruel and degrading. This has been a long-running row | :55:53. | :55:56. | |
between the European Court and British authorities about the nature | :55:57. | :56:00. | |
of light sentences. A couple of years ago, even though he lost his | :56:01. | :56:03. | |
case in Strasberg, you got a second chance because there was a bit of | :56:04. | :56:07. | |
doubt in the European Court's mind, which is why he went back today, and | :56:08. | :56:08. | |
this morning he lost. Let's speak now to Patricia Hayes, | :56:09. | :56:13. | |
whose son Joshua Hayes was murdered, and her daughter Elizabeth, | :56:14. | :56:15. | |
who was Joshua's only sister. Patricia, hello to you from us here | :56:16. | :56:25. | |
in the UK. How do you react to the fact that Philip Harkins is now | :56:26. | :56:28. | |
going to be extradited to the United States to face trial for the murder | :56:29. | :56:33. | |
of your son? Well we are very happy to see today that he gets on the | :56:34. | :56:40. | |
plane -- we're very happy to see that, the day he gets on the plane | :56:41. | :56:44. | |
is the day we believe it. Sorry, I didn't hear that? It has been a long | :56:45. | :56:49. | |
time and he has had appeal after appeal but the day he leaves | :56:50. | :56:51. | |
Scotland is the day we will believe it is over from that. I understand. | :56:52. | :56:56. | |
Elisabeth, what is your reaction? The same. Patricia, what has it been | :56:57. | :57:06. | |
like waiting all these years? Honestly? It has been pure hell. It | :57:07. | :57:11. | |
has been fighting battle. Why do you say that? Just waiting to get him | :57:12. | :57:17. | |
back for justice Committee should have never been over there, he | :57:18. | :57:21. | |
should have been here. What do you think about the appeal processes, | :57:22. | :57:25. | |
the various processes that Philip Harkins has gone through? I really | :57:26. | :57:31. | |
don't understand how he was ever allowed to file that many appeals. I | :57:32. | :57:37. | |
mean, that is way too many. He says he is a victim, and he is not. Can I | :57:38. | :57:45. | |
ask you, how is your grandson, Joshua's 's son? He has been brought | :57:46. | :57:49. | |
up without a father. It has been rough on him. Very rough on him. | :57:50. | :57:59. | |
Joshua has two grandchildren which will never get to know him. And what | :58:00. | :58:08. | |
do you tell him about his father? I tell him all the good stuff, we keep | :58:09. | :58:13. | |
Josh very much alive here, he will always be carried in our heart. | :58:14. | :58:19. | |
Elizabeth, what has it been like for you and your family waiting for this | :58:20. | :58:26. | |
news? Very hard to see my mum go through this. OK, thank you very | :58:27. | :58:30. | |
much for your time this morning. When I think of the world | :58:31. | :58:35. | |
we inhabit, everyone will think, Yeah. And it wasn't, | :58:36. | :58:38. | |
it was done by hand over days and weeks | :58:39. | :58:41. | |
and months and years. | :58:42. | :58:45. |