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I'm Chloe Tilley, welcome to the programme.

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More than 12 months after the referendum, the government

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is commissioning a study of the costs and benefits of EU

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migrants on our economy and it's going to take more

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The charity Women's Aid is calling on the government to sign off

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changes to court guidelines which aim to protect children

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from violent fathers during custody battles -

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they say the delays are putting lives at risk.

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To actually be physically attacked, almost killed, and then be thrown

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believe you or somehow you're held responsible for the violence that

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We have always been told by doctors to finish a course of antibiotics

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- experts say it puts some people at unnecessary risk

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50 years ago today, homosexuality was partially decriminalised

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Prime Minister Theresa May says the Conservative Party have been

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wrong in the past but have come a long way we will take a look

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Coming up, we will look at the wildfires which have swept across

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France. And Charlie Gard's parents have until noon to decide whether he

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will go to a hospice. Do get in touch on all the stories

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we're talking about this morning - use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

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and if you text, you will be charged The government has taken

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what is being described as a "major step" in developing

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a new immigration policy. Home Secretary Amber Rudd is asking

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independent migration experts to analyse the role of EU nationals

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living and working in the UK. They will report back next

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September - six months before the UK's deadline to leave

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the European Union. However, critics say the study has

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been commissioned too late. Our political guru Norman Smith

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is in Westminster. Norman, just explain first of all,

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what exactly is the government doing? Here we are a year on from

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the referendum and the government decided they need to get a grip on

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the contribution that EU nationals make to our economy, where they

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work, what sort of role they play, how certain industries may depend on

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them, whether other countries have a greater need for them, and our

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Labour shortages, to get a bigger picture on how much we need EU

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nationals, and to come up with a strategy for our new immigration

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system when we leave the EU. What is significant about this is the way

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the Home Secretary Amber Rudd has said to business, I know you are

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worried, I know you have concerns. I hear you, come and tell me what you

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are worried about. That has led to fears among some Leave campaigners

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that this report will be a way of the government climbing down on

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tough immigration curbs. They will say business is very worried about

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this, I'm not sure we can impose quite as tight curbs as people might

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like. This morning, the Immigration Minister Brandon Lewis sought to

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quash that idea, insisting that when we leave the EU in March 2019, that

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will be the end of freedom of movement, and the public will have a

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clear idea of the new immigration rules. Have a listen to what he

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said. We are very clear about this, as is the Home

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Secretary in her notes which she has outlined to the commission. Free

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movement ends when we leave the European Union. We have also been

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clear about having a smooth process which can make our economy prosper.

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The commission's work will help inform what industries and sectors

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need within the new structure of immigration as they go forward. What

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is interesting is both Mr Lewis and Amber Rudd are saying when we leave

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in March 2019, that does not mean the new system starts them, it will

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be phased in gradually. We do not know how long that process will be.

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It could stretch up to four years and experts say getting a new visa

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system in place could take years. So getting the new immigration system

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might not come into force. As I said earlier on since the Brexit vote,

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why has it taken so long? They will induce the bet -- Brexit Immigration

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Bill. It is all the bits higgledy-piggledy, you have to say,

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the new Immigration Bill will be introduced at the start of the year.

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It all seems a little bit out of sequence. Or to speak to. Let's head

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over to the BBC newsroom. Ben Brown is in the BBC

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Newsroom with a summary The parents of the terminally-ill

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baby, Charlie Gard, have until midday to agree

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with Great Ormond Street Hospital They've accepted that Charlie

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will spend his last days in a hospice rather than at home,

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but Chris Gard and Connie Yates are asking to spend more time

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with their son before life support A 16-year-old girl found dead

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on a railway is thought Taiyah Pebbles was discovered

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at Herne Bay station in Kent British Transport Police said

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the teenager was pronounced dead at the scene after sustaining

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serious injuries believed to be A post mortem will

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take place on Friday. Wild fires are continuing to burn

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in parts of southern France. Thousands of people have been forced

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to leave their homes and campsites around

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the town of Bormes-Les-Mimosas. Many are spending a second night

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on beaches, or in sports halls At least 6,000 firefighters and

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troops are now battling the flames. For a third night, the skies glowed

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red in southern France as fierce wildfires continued to burn

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out of control. Hillsides engulfed by flames

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in Bormes-les-Mimosas, Local residents joining firefighters

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to battle the blaze that has forced the evacuation

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of over 10,000 people. Having watched the flames inch

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closer and closer on Wednesday, thousands of tourists took

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the chance to flee. Many had spent the last two nights

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in the public shelters TRANSLATION: We evacuate

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because of the fire is coming We left with our clothes

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and a little food. Residents who fled the flames

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have now begun to return to assess the damage

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to their homes and properties. TRANSLATION: All of a sudden

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we were in front of a wall of flame, We took some belongings,

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we took the two dogs and we left. TRANSLATION: I climbed high

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on the crest and I saw a picture of desolation,

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because all the camping was surrounded with flames

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and we couldn't do anything. Meeting some of the crews

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and volunteers on the frontline, the French Prime Minister,

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Edouard Philippe, said there would be an enquiry

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into the fire's cause, which some have blamed

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on an arsonists. The powerful and destructive

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combination of heat and wind set to fuel these fires and test these

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firefighters once again. The Chief Constable

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of Police Scotland, Phil Gormley, has confirmed he's being

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investigated over allegations Details of the complaint

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against Phil Gormley haven't been made public -

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but the BBC understands they relate to his conduct

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towards a more junior officer. Donald Trump's new communications

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director said that the UK and US can almost certainly agree trade deal.

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There is a group of rich guys and we will break away from the other

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countries. We are going to disrupt and hack the system. What does that

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mean? That he will meet us halfway. Hears about reciprocity, about fair

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and equal trade. The notion you should

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The notion that you should always finish a course of antibiotics,

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even if you feel better, is being challenged by a group

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Writing in the British Medical Journal, it's argued that taking

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antibiotics for longer than necessary, can raise

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the risk of developing a resistance to the drugs.

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However, England's Chief Medical Officer says people shouldn't

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change their behaviour because of one study.

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growing resistance to antibiotics is an increasing problem around the

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world. They become less effective because we take so many of them.

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That means deadly infections spread more easily. Now some researchers

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say it is time to end the blanket prescription that every course

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should be completed. Writing in the British medical journal, a group of

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experts claim there is no evidence that stopping some antibiotic

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treatment early increases the risk of infection. They accept more

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research is needed but suggest new advice, like stop taking them when

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you feel better, could help. # Antiobiotics are

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wonderful pills... There is already an NHS campaign

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to cut the use of antibiotics. The Chief Medical Officer says

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the evidence will be reviewed, but that for now the message remains

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- you should stick to prescriptions, and always follow

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the doctor's advice. The Prime Minister has said

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the Conservatives have "come a long way" on the issue of gay rights,

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but that there's still more to do Theresa May was marking the 50th

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anniversary today of the partial decriminalisation of homosexuality

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in England and Wales. It decriminalised homosexual

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acts in private between The Duke of Cambridge

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will begin his last shift as an air ambulance pilot today -

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before taking up his For the past two years he's been

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working for the Writing in the Eastern Daily Press

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this morning he says he's It is a job which has clearly meant

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a great deal to him, to work as a member

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of the emergency services. Valued for what he does

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rather than who he is, flying an air ambulance,

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and helping to save lives. It was more than two years ago that

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William first reported for duty He had finished as an RAF

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search-and-rescue pilot, but chose to retrain and qualify

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for this new role. On his first morning, he explained

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how much it mattered to him. I'm just fantastically excited to be

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here today, the first day. It has been many exams

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and training to get here, and I'm hugely excited to be joining

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a very professional bunch of guys and girls, doing such a unique,

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complex job with the air ambulance. In the months since,

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William has piloted the air He has seen tragedy and extremes

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of emotion in close quarters. Writing in the Eastern Daily Press

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this morning, he says he is hugely grateful for having

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had the experience. He says it has instilled in him

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a profound respect for the men After tonight's shift,

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William will embark on the role which has been his destiny,

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as a full-time, working member of the British royal family,

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taking on more responsibilities in support of his grandmother,

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but with what are clearly deeply embedded memories of his time

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as pilot William Wales of the That's a summary of the latest BBC

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News - more at 9.30. Thank you, Ben. Let's get all of the

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sport from Olly Foster. We have to talk about Adam Peaty and his

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incredible achievements in the pool. That is one superlative. They are

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really running out of things to say about Adam Peaty. He is 22. He has

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now retained his world titles. He broke his world record twice in the

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heats and the semifinals. Look at that winning margin. By over half a

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second he won and that is the biggest winning margin in the 50

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metres breaststroke. He is quite a specimen there. And one of his

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opponents who came third, the South African Cameron Bundaberg said he

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has reinvented the breaststroke. It is a hybrid between the butterfly

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and the breaststroke. It is such an enormous power. He has said he may

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have to retire and come back when Adam Peaty gets older. Here is Adam

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Peaty. Very exhausting, especially with a double, but I am so happy

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with my performances. I know there is more, but I don't want to spoil

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it for next year or the year after. He has this project 57, hoping to

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lower the 100 metres breast rope, breaking 57 seconds to the first

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time. Just speaking after the mixed medley, they didn't get a medal, the

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British team, but he goes in the men's medley on Sunday, every chance

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for a medal for Peaty then. And he is only 22, let's doc about the

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third test against South Africa, England need to turn things around.

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It will be the 100th Test match at the Oval, but they lost the second

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test at Trent Bridge. They were absolutely thumped by South Africa.

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Joe Root's captaincy started with a brilliant win at Lord's when they

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beat South Africa, so it is a bit of crunch time, this. Whoever loses

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won't be able to win the series. Weather could be a factor. The

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covers are on. Michael Vaughan, former skipper, who works for the

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BBC now, says that England just don't respect to Test cricket any

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more, the way they approach it. It is far too gung ho. They have to

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learn how to approach the game. Joe Root, that is Ben Stokes bowling,

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Joe Root says that criticism has felt a little bit too personal. It

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is very important that us as a side remained true to each other. We are

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very honest in the dressing room, we know we weren't good enough last

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week, but effort has never been the issue. We have got a massive desire

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to go out this week and put a release from performance in and

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bounce back strong. Middlesex bowler Toby Roland-Jones will make his test

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debut for England at the Oval. We should get the toss in the next hour

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and a half or something like that. It is the wheelchair rugby league

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World Cup in France, but Wales are threatening to pull out of their

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match today. They are playing Spain, fifth-place play-off, one of their

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lawyers, Harry Jones has epilepsy, and he has had a couple of seizures

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in matches, incredibly worrying, but it has been triggered by

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photographers getting far too close to the action and using flash

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photography. They have put signs up everywhere, saying that Harry

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suffers from epilepsy, and to try to move the photographers away from the

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court. They say if it happens again, clearly, he has had to miss a match

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because of one of these seizures, they will go off the court. England

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are in the final of that, playing the hosts France, or Italy,

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tomorrow. They beat Australia 78-36 in their semifinal to reach the

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final. England going well but some concerns over Wales, and obviously

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Harry Jones, the photographers getting a little bit too close.

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The last 12 years 20 children have been murdered because they have had

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contact with an abusive parent. This led to changes

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to the current court guidelines - they were announced back in January

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but still have not been signed Women's Aid say every day the plans

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are delayed women and children's They have new research to show that

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in nearly a quarter of cases where domestic violence is alleged

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unsupervised contact between In her first TV interview as Women's

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Aid's new Chief Executive, Katie Ghose joined me in the studio

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earlier this morning. We also spoke to Sarah

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Parsons from Cafcass - a group of social workers

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who are appointed by family courts. But we began by talking

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to Zoe Dronfield. Zoe was a victim of domestic

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violence, and had her daughter taken While in hospital, after the attack,

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I was actually served with papers I then had to discharge

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myself from hospital, so I was in hospital

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for about two weeks. And I discharged myself

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to attend a hearing And during that process,

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how was it for you? It was hideous, and I even say

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now that it was worse than the attack itself.

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To actually be physically attacked, almost killed, and then be thrown

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into a system that does not believe you or somehow you're held

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responsible for the violence that It doesn't bear

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thinking about, really. And your daughter was taken away

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from you, initially? Her father got custody,

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interim custody. We were both litigants in person,

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so the judge did not take too kindly to that,

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to be honest. Talk to us about the process,

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because we're going to speak here to Sarah and Katie

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about the process of court. What was that like for you,

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the actual custody case itself, the hearing, the effect it

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had on you? OK, well, I suppose,

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the first hearing, I arrived So we came face-to-face

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in the waiting room. And he was saying all sorts

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of things, so that was And the fact that I'd just left

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hospital was getting over a serious a sort,

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so I was having to deal Then the court itself

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was really clinical, there was zero emotion,

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no understanding of the traumatic experience that you're

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going through really. Because it's life-changing,

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decisions are going to be made in that courtroom that

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are going to affect the rest of your life and the rest

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of your children's lives. So, of course, it's the biggest

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thing ever, to be dealing with. And you are kind of ushered

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through and I wanted to express myself more but you are literally

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given a limited amount of time to get your point across,

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and as litigants in person, the judge didn't particularly

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want to hear us talk I think what was taken

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was the statement that was presented to the judge, which was full

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of what I would say is perjury, which isn't dealt

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with in a family court. And that information wasn't even

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checked to see if it was correct. I believe they just took that

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statement as a statement Zoe stay with us, because I want

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to bring in Sarah and Katie. Katie, first of all, can you explain

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what litigants in person are? That's when you are having

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to make your own case and you have not got a lawyer of that

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with you to do that advocacy, which you can imagine how extra

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traumatic that could be in the circumstances

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that Zoe has described. And we hear Zoe's story and we can

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tell just by hearing that story how traumatic it is even now,

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Zoe, for you to talk about that. We can see that from the way

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that you are sitting, Are these similar experiences

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that you were hearing? Sadly, we have heard

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from women in situations such as the one Zoe has described,

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and others as well, where they have suffered

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domestic abuse and violence, and then have to relive that trauma

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going through the courts. And sadly we also know that some

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perpetrators of violence will actively use the family courts

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to continue a campaign of coercive There are lots of issues

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here and we just need to be mindful and listen and learn

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from the experiences We are very pleased that there

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is refreshed guidance for judges, We want the government to get

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on and act on that and sign it off. And that's going to make some

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improvements to the family courts, so that they can really make sure

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that women and their experiences Sarah, go through what those changes

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will be once they are brought in? The new guidance will make sure,

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for instance, that women who have suffered domestic abuse are not

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cross examined by their perpetrator. People will find that

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amazing watching this, It doesn't happen in

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the criminal cases, does it? And the organisation that I am from,

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Cafcass, who look after the best interests of children in these

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proceedings, have been contributing to the updated guidance

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and are in favour of those changes. Zoe, do you feel, as we heard there

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from Katie, that there are times when your partner was able

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to manipulate the system I mean, it was manipulation right

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from the very beginning. He used the assault

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as an opportunity to then ask He then submitted all sorts

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of lies into the court. Honestly, it's like going

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into another dimension, that's Why has there been a delay, Katie,

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in these suggestions being implemented, these

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recommendations I don't know why the delay has been,

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but we're really pleased Not least because it makes it

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crystal clear to judges and everyone in the courts,

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that it is the child's safety And actually, it's that which trumps

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the interests or the wishes So the guidance is good,

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it's going to make difference, and now we just want the government

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to get on and sign and seal it and have it in practice

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because women and children are in the family courts every

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single day right now and it is really important that this

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is done quickly. I'm aware that it's really,

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very critical to make sure the accuracy of the new guidance

:25:53.:25:55.

is looked at in detail. I'm aware that there

:25:56.:25:57.

was no deliberate delay, it's not about back sliding,

:25:58.:25:59.

it's commitment across government to ensure that the legislation,

:26:00.:26:03.

the guidance, all of the structures, support, the victims of domestic

:26:04.:26:06.

abuse and most importantly, as Katie says, ensures that

:26:07.:26:08.

children are safe. So it's important to get

:26:09.:26:10.

it absolutely right. And I know that has been looked

:26:11.:26:12.

at in detail as we speak. Currently, do you think parents'

:26:13.:26:25.

right to contact is being put The law states that there should be

:26:26.:26:27.

continuity of parental involvement, so Cafcass always look at the impact

:26:28.:26:32.

for each individual child, and tries to took to the children,

:26:33.:26:34.

and both sides of the family, Because many children do

:26:35.:26:38.

benefit from ongoing And that's really important to look

:26:39.:26:42.

at from an individual However, where the risks are too

:26:43.:26:55.

high, we should be very clear about that as well,

:26:56.:27:02.

and that is the case. There are obviously situations

:27:03.:27:05.

like Zoe's, which are very distressing and we need to listen

:27:06.:27:08.

to and learn from and make improvements, the system

:27:09.:27:11.

is not 100% perfect. But certainly in my experience,

:27:12.:27:12.

we have made great strides. Every case that comes to the family

:27:13.:27:20.

courts is risk assessed. but we need to make sure that,

:27:21.:27:27.

with the improvement in the new practice direction,

:27:28.:27:29.

that there is greater consistency and every child's circumstances

:27:30.:27:31.

like Zoe's don't happen again. One of the worries that we have got,

:27:32.:27:34.

and this came out of the research that Women's Aid has published

:27:35.:27:37.

with Cafcass, is that nearly a quarter of the contact cases

:27:38.:27:40.

where there were allegations of domestic abuse, unsupervised

:27:41.:27:42.

contact with the parent was ordered That means that the court may not

:27:43.:27:44.

have had the chance to get to grips with the full picture,

:27:45.:27:49.

and I think that is something that has come out very

:27:50.:27:54.

powerfully from Zoe's story. So that is one of the

:27:55.:27:56.

concerns we have got. And we will be really

:27:57.:27:59.

looking to have a situation where women, and all of us,

:28:00.:28:01.

and survivors, can have the confidence that whatever

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family courts they go to, the cild safety is going to be

:28:07.:28:09.

properly and fully assessed. And that full picture

:28:10.:28:12.

will always be considered. Yeah, for me, there's

:28:13.:28:14.

no recourse for women I went through and afterwards tried

:28:15.:28:18.

to get into traditional review, because I just felt like I wasn't

:28:19.:28:24.

being dealt with fairly. Who are you complaining

:28:25.:28:28.

to if things don't go right? Ultimately, you did get custody

:28:29.:28:37.

of your daughter, didn't you? I truly believe that it's

:28:38.:28:42.

because I have the means to do so. When we initially went to court,

:28:43.:28:55.

we were litigants in person, and so the judge seemed quite

:28:56.:29:04.

annoyed with that. Once we had a legal team in there,

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then it strengthened my case. But actually, my case

:29:10.:29:13.

was strong anyway. So it shouldn't be down

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to money or financials. And was it a struggle

:29:15.:29:19.

to get that money? Yeah, it is, I had a good solicitor

:29:20.:29:21.

who took on my case and I'm pleased to say that he really supported me,

:29:22.:29:27.

because he could see how The government sent us

:29:28.:29:30.

the following from the Ministry of Justice, "The welfare of children

:29:31.:29:40.

is the utmost priority Ministers are working closely

:29:41.:29:42.

with the senior judiciary to carefully consider revisions

:29:43.:29:46.

to this important guidance, and we expect to introduce

:29:47.:29:48.

these changes shortly". Still to come: Thousands of people

:29:49.:29:59.

are spending a second night away from their homes as a result

:30:00.:30:02.

of wildfires in France. We'll speak to some Brits on holiday

:30:03.:30:06.

in the area who've been affected. And a survey has found that 48%

:30:07.:30:11.

of people don't think primary school-age children should learn

:30:12.:30:16.

about same-sex relationships. Here's Ben Brown in the BBC Newsroom

:30:17.:30:18.

with a summary of today's news. The government has taken

:30:19.:30:37.

what is being described as a "major step" in developing

:30:38.:30:39.

a new immigration policy. independent migration experts

:30:40.:30:56.

to analyse the role of EU nationals They will report back next

:30:57.:30:59.

September - six months before the UK's deadline to leave

:31:00.:31:03.

the European Union. However, critics say the study has

:31:04.:31:05.

been commissioned too late. The parents of the terminally-ill

:31:06.:31:12.

baby, Charlie Gard, have until midday to agree

:31:13.:31:14.

with Great Ormond Street Hospital They've accepted that Charlie

:31:15.:31:16.

will spend his last days in a hospice rather than at home,

:31:17.:31:19.

but Chris Gard and Connie Yates are asking to spend more time

:31:20.:31:22.

with their son before life support A 16-year-old girl found dead

:31:23.:31:25.

on a railway is thought Taiyah Pebbles was discovered

:31:26.:31:29.

at Herne Bay station in Kent British Transport Police said

:31:30.:31:32.

the teenager was pronounced dead at the scene after sustaining

:31:33.:31:35.

serious injuries believed to be A post mortem will

:31:36.:31:38.

take place on Friday. Wild fires are continuing to burn

:31:39.:31:41.

in parts of southern France. Thousands of people have been forced

:31:42.:31:43.

to leave their homes and campsites around

:31:44.:31:46.

the town of Bormes-Les-Mimosas. Many are spending a second night

:31:47.:31:47.

on beaches, or in sports halls At least 6,000 firefighters and

:31:48.:31:50.

troops are now battling the flames. The Chief Constable

:31:51.:32:02.

of Police Scotland, Phil Gormley, has confirmed he's being

:32:03.:32:03.

investigated over allegations Details of the complaint

:32:04.:32:05.

against Phil Gormley haven't been made public -

:32:06.:32:08.

but the BBC understands they relate to his conduct

:32:09.:32:10.

towards a more junior officer. The Duke of Cambridge

:32:11.:32:21.

will begin his last shift as an air ambulance pilot today -

:32:22.:32:23.

before taking up his For the past two years he's been

:32:24.:32:26.

working for the Writing in the Eastern Daily Press

:32:27.:32:29.

this morning, he says he's That is a summary of our latest

:32:30.:32:46.

news. More from me at ten o'clock. Thank you, let's get a summary of

:32:47.:32:48.

the sport. British Swimmer Adam Peaty has

:32:49.:32:51.

retained his 50 metres He couldn't lower his own world

:32:52.:32:53.

record as he had done in the heats and semi-finals but he still managed

:32:54.:32:57.

to swim under 26 seconds and won by over half a second,

:32:58.:33:00.

a record margin of victory, He also successfully

:33:01.:33:03.

defended his 100 metre title The third Test between England

:33:04.:33:05.

and South Africa starts The four test series is level at 1-1

:33:06.:33:08.

after England's heavy says his side will travel to Norway

:33:09.:33:12.

for the second leg of their Champions League third qualifying

:33:13.:33:19.

tie confident they can They drew 0-0 with

:33:20.:33:21.

Rosenberg last night. We could have two home Nations

:33:22.:33:36.

quarterfinalists in the women's European Championships in the

:33:37.:33:40.

Netherlands. A win for England will see them top group D. Scotland need

:33:41.:33:45.

to beat Spain by at least two goal is to have any chance. I will be

:33:46.:33:50.

back after ten and hopefully we will be live at the Oval for that third

:33:51.:33:53.

test. Thank you.

:33:54.:33:56.

France has appealed for help fighting fires that have spread

:33:57.:33:58.

along parts of the country's south coast, forcing around 10,000 people

:33:59.:34:01.

One of the worst hit areas is around Saint Tropez,

:34:02.:34:04.

Thousands of firefighters and troops have been trying

:34:05.:34:07.

to stop the fire's spread, but a combination of dry vegetation

:34:08.:34:10.

and strong winds has made the fires particularly challenging to contain.

:34:11.:34:13.

Our correspondent Hugh Schofield is in Bormes-les-Mimosas.

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Yes, we are in the brush, as you can see, in the hillside above the town

:34:24.:34:32.

of Bormes-Les-Mimosas. The situation, we are told, is

:34:33.:34:35.

stabilised. Not under control, they are very keen to say that, but

:34:36.:34:41.

stabilised. The fire passed yesterday. As you walk up the

:34:42.:34:45.

hillside you can see the remains of the stumps and the buck and

:34:46.:34:49.

vegetation and the earth which has turned black. Apparently, that is

:34:50.:34:53.

the effect of the water. When they spray it with water it goes from

:34:54.:35:01.

grade to black. But as we come up the hill, it is very interesting.

:35:02.:35:06.

There are still members burning. All over the place, you see these little

:35:07.:35:11.

chimneys of smoke going up. This is the root of a tree which is still

:35:12.:35:16.

smouldering. And this, we are told, is the real danger spot. This

:35:17.:35:23.

remains hot. As the day progresses and the heat returns to the

:35:24.:35:28.

environment, and if the wind starts fanning it, this is where we could

:35:29.:35:33.

easily see new outbreaks, places like this, fire. That is why Fire

:35:34.:35:40.

Service, who are standing down now, they have put a small blaze out upon

:35:41.:35:45.

the hill, they remain on very high alert throughout the day. They

:35:46.:35:49.

predict there will be new outbreaks this afternoon. Last point on a more

:35:50.:35:56.

positive note, if you look upon the hillside, you will see that it is

:35:57.:36:00.

green. There was a fire here 27 years ago. That was black like this

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is here now, but it regenerates. The lesson is, fires occur and they are

:36:07.:36:13.

terrible, but the will cope. That is Hugh Schofield giving us a

:36:14.:36:17.

sense of what it is like on the ground.

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Let's talk to Ollie Marriage who is on holiday in Gigaro

:36:20.:36:21.

Lisa Minot was camping near Bormes-les-Mimosas

:36:22.:36:29.

And Dr Beth Cole from the University of Leicester has been researching

:36:30.:36:33.

the areas most at risk from these kinds of fires.

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Lisa, first of all, you were evacuated from your campsite to the

:36:42.:36:48.

beach. Did you have to sleep on the beach? That is right, we did. We had

:36:49.:36:54.

two nights now. The alert came the night before last. The entire

:36:55.:36:59.

campsite was evacuated, that is over 4000 people. We are back on the

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campsite now because this morning they left off back for the first

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time. INAUDIBLE

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It is still a state of flux. We do not know what will happen. As your

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correspondent said, we watched yesterday as the fires were put out

:37:21.:37:25.

and then reignited. We spent the night on the beach. We did not sleep

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on the campsite. We decided to move some tents onto the beach and sleep

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there. Lisa, you have a slightly scratchy Skype line but we will

:37:37.:37:39.

stick with it because I'm sure people will be wondering how you

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slept on the beach. Did you have lounges, covers and water? We had

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food and water. This is a serious environment. There are people

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helping out. There is water and food you can collect. And then we had

:37:55.:38:00.

tents from our own campsite. We moved them onto the beach, so that

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they were out of danger, out of the campsite environment, because the

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beach is one of the safest places to be if there is a fire. I want to

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bring in Ollie who is near central pay. Where are you and how have you

:38:18.:38:25.

been affected? -- saved to pay. The fires started 100 metres from here

:38:26.:38:31.

and they swept up the hillside to my right ear. The firefighters did an

:38:32.:38:36.

amazing job putting them out initially but we were evacuated

:38:37.:38:40.

again yesterday because the wind had changed direction and it was blowing

:38:41.:38:45.

the flames back this way. You say they were 100 metres away in a calm

:38:46.:38:51.

manner, presumably you are not calm when you saw it? The first we were

:38:52.:38:56.

aware of it was when the planes were flying over. Initially, the flames

:38:57.:39:00.

were not too big and they tried to put them out quickly, and then they

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built very quickly, driven by the really strong winds. They raced up

:39:05.:39:10.

the hillsides and the sheets of flame were enormous. I want to bring

:39:11.:39:16.

in Rob Huckle who has also connected with us on Skype. He is also on

:39:17.:39:28.

holiday with his family less than a mile away from the fires. Tell us

:39:29.:39:31.

your experiences and what you have seen? I was woken up by my sister at

:39:32.:39:34.

one o'clock in the morning, about two hours after the fire started. I

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looked out of our apartment windows and the hills were lit up with

:39:37.:39:44.

orange flames, resonating off the smoke which was flying up into the

:39:45.:39:50.

sky. We watched it flow across the hills at an alarming speed carried

:39:51.:39:55.

by the wind, and it just came closer and closer, to where we were. We

:39:56.:40:00.

thought it was dying down in the morning and as someone said, it

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picked back-up during the day. I saw it come within metres of some houses

:40:06.:40:13.

on the hills, but luckily, the fires, firefighters and planes did

:40:14.:40:20.

an excellent job to hold back. Where you evacuated from your apartment or

:40:21.:40:26.

could you stay? We could stay. I am on the port so I am on water. The

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best place to be! Yes, I was very lucky. I saw streams of cars

:40:36.:40:39.

overnight. There have been families still sitting out on the corner of

:40:40.:40:43.

the street with whatever they could grab from their homes. We have the

:40:44.:40:51.

sailing club here set up as a refugee centre and it is giving out

:40:52.:40:57.

free water and food to those who need it. I wonder if each of you,

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Lisa, have you had much information from the authorities? As they're

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been good communication? I would not say that has been good acting in a.

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It has become a case of looking on Facebook and Twitter and talking to

:41:16.:41:18.

people. Communication has not been great. In the case of the campsite,

:41:19.:41:24.

deciding on whether we were staying or going was decided by the campsite

:41:25.:41:28.

but also the mayor of the town and the firefighters, and those three

:41:29.:41:32.

people have to have a discussion. Things change, we would told one

:41:33.:41:36.

thing and then another. Yesterday morning, we were told having spent

:41:37.:41:40.

the night on the beach that we could come back to the campsite. We had

:41:41.:41:44.

been on the campsite for barely an hour when the alarm went again and

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we were forced to leave. At that point it was, get off the campsite

:41:49.:41:53.

now, immediately, get to the beach. At that point it was chaos. There

:41:54.:41:58.

was no control as such, but look at what they are fighting, look at what

:41:59.:42:04.

they have to do. You can see these fires reigniting and reigniting. It

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is no surprise that there is no control to it. I was reading there

:42:10.:42:16.

were 4500 people on your campsite so moving people around cannot be easy.

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Ollie, have you found good communication from the authorities?

:42:23.:42:30.

The fires are unpredictable. We know there is... That has not been a

:42:31.:42:33.

great deal of communication, but when you talk to the individual

:42:34.:42:37.

firemen and police, they can tell you roughly what is going on. They

:42:38.:42:41.

do not know what the fire is going to do, so that makes it difficult

:42:42.:42:46.

for them. There is no secular centre or information source that you can

:42:47.:42:51.

go to. For holiday-makers, at least. Maybe if you are local down here you

:42:52.:42:56.

know which radio station to listen to and which websites to check, but

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for us, not so much. I want to bring in Doctor Beth Cole from the

:43:02.:43:04.

University of Leicester. I know you were one of the academics who

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produced a risk map of wildfires in southern Europe. Can you explain to

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people watching what you collated and what you found? Yes, sure. We

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are doing a project across the whole of Europe, mapping the areas which

:43:20.:43:23.

are defined as the wild urban interface which is an area which is

:43:24.:43:32.

known to be at high risk of fire. These are areas where the urban

:43:33.:43:35.

development and human buildings interact or boundary up to areas

:43:36.:43:41.

where there is forest fuel, fuel for the fire, woody vegetation. By

:43:42.:43:47.

mapping that across Europe, we found we could relate this to satellite

:43:48.:43:52.

images of previously burned areas. We related the probability of how

:43:53.:43:58.

likely the fires were closest to these areas. The closer you get to

:43:59.:44:02.

the wild urban interfaces, the more likely you are to have a fire risk.

:44:03.:44:07.

Applying this across we found regions which were at higher risk to

:44:08.:44:14.

fire. One of those was the Provence Cote d'Azur area of France which

:44:15.:44:19.

came up as one of the highest risk areas of France. If you identified

:44:20.:44:23.

that is a risk, did the authorities take that on board and try and

:44:24.:44:28.

mitigate the circumstances or was that not possible? I am not sure how

:44:29.:44:33.

the information was fed forward, but the idea of identifying the risk

:44:34.:44:38.

areas was so that in the future people could put into place land

:44:39.:44:43.

management or fire risk plans, that would be preventative. Things like

:44:44.:44:50.

land use management to prevent the wild urban interface is being built

:44:51.:44:54.

up so much as they have been recently. Thank you all for speaking

:44:55.:45:02.

to us. I hope your holidays into. -- improve.

:45:03.:45:09.

A survey has found 48% of people do not think primary school children

:45:10.:45:23.

should learn about same-sex relationships. We will discuss that

:45:24.:45:25.

later. The police watchdog says

:45:26.:45:27.

there are major inconsistencies in the way drug driving laws

:45:28.:45:29.

are enforced by different police The police watchdog says there are

:45:30.:45:53.

big differences. How have the laws on drug driving

:45:54.:46:02.

changed? Police officers had to prove motorists' driving ability was

:46:03.:46:06.

impaired. They used to do a test, walk in a straight line, stand on

:46:07.:46:11.

one leg, that kind of thing. Since the change to years ago, it is much

:46:12.:46:16.

more scientific. If you have more than a certain type of 17 different

:46:17.:46:20.

drugs in your system, when you get behind the wheel, you are breaking

:46:21.:46:28.

the law. Eight of those are illegal. Ones like cocaine, cannabis and

:46:29.:46:30.

ecstasy. Nine of them are prescription drugs like codeine,

:46:31.:46:31.

morphine and methadone. What did you find out? We asked all

:46:32.:46:46.

43 police forces a very simple question, how many arrests have you

:46:47.:46:50.

made under the new drug driving laws in the two year since the change. 39

:46:51.:46:54.

of them came back to us, and essentially some forces had arrested

:46:55.:46:58.

thousands, others had made hundreds of arrests, a handful of forces had

:46:59.:47:04.

made fewer than 100 arrests. To try to get some sense of comparison, we

:47:05.:47:08.

divided the number of arrests by the number of officers each force has,

:47:09.:47:13.

just to get some kind of comparison. Some forces for example like North

:47:14.:47:16.

Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, Cheshire, they made one drug driving

:47:17.:47:20.

arrest for everyone, two or three officers on the force. Other forces

:47:21.:47:25.

like Greater Manchester Police, Derbyshire, Leicestershire, they

:47:26.:47:30.

made one drug driving arrest for every 18, 19, 20, sometimes 28

:47:31.:47:34.

officers. We have to take these figures with caution because they

:47:35.:47:38.

are not an accurate, scientific, like-for-like comparison, but the

:47:39.:47:45.

complete Her Majesty 's -- to quit Her Majesty's Inspectorate of

:47:46.:47:47.

Constabulary, they give us a snapshot into the wider issue of

:47:48.:47:50.

policing drug driving. We spoke to a lady called Zoe Bird peeling from

:47:51.:47:56.

there about the possible consequences these infants -- Zoe

:47:57.:48:03.

Billingham. There are clearly forces being extremely proactive in this

:48:04.:48:06.

area, a deliberate decision on their part, and we as an inspectorate

:48:07.:48:10.

would ask other police Chief const is to check whether or not they are

:48:11.:48:14.

being as proactive as they should be, but also taking enforcement

:48:15.:48:19.

action in the way they ought to be, and educating young people about the

:48:20.:48:22.

harm, the terrible harm caused by these activities. So what are the

:48:23.:48:28.

police saying about this, why is there this huge discrepancy? We got

:48:29.:48:33.

in touch with the national police Chief 's counsel, and they say all

:48:34.:48:38.

forces take it very seriously, some individual forces made local

:48:39.:48:41.

decisions based at a local level based on their priorities, and

:48:42.:48:44.

sometimes crucially different forces share resources to meet the high

:48:45.:48:48.

demands on police. Thank you for talking to us. With us now is

:48:49.:48:53.

Kalann, whose brother Aiden was killed two years ago by a driver who

:48:54.:48:58.

was on drugs. Thank you so much for coming in -- with us now is Callum.

:48:59.:49:08.

Tell us a bit about your brother. Aiden, my brother, it was 20 at the

:49:09.:49:13.

time, he cared about everybody, you would not hurt a fly. He was living

:49:14.:49:19.

at home still, getting by, just doing what he enjoyed doing. And

:49:20.:49:25.

what happened on that day? Aiden was in the three lane traffic, going

:49:26.:49:29.

through traffic on the left-hand lane, and the car at the last minute

:49:30.:49:34.

decided to pull out. And did you know at the time that the driver was

:49:35.:49:40.

on drugs? Not instantly, we were told a few days after. Do you know

:49:41.:49:44.

what drugs the woman had in her system? The main one was

:49:45.:49:49.

amphetamine, originally a prescription drug but the woman

:49:50.:49:52.

became addicted to it. Clearly you are devastated at the loss of your

:49:53.:49:55.

brother. Was that made harder by the knowledge that this woman had been

:49:56.:50:00.

driving whilst having drugs in her system? It made it worse, he did

:50:01.:50:03.

nothing wrong. Something about that always just hurt, because he was

:50:04.:50:09.

doing everything in the right, he was just going on the road as you

:50:10.:50:13.

would do. It could happen to any of us, couldn't it? What sentence to

:50:14.:50:20.

the driver get? Suspended sentence, so she didn't go to a prison at all.

:50:21.:50:26.

Why did she get that? We don't quite understand, to be honest. That is

:50:27.:50:32.

something that got to all of us, I took if you days off work to get our

:50:33.:50:37.

heads around what had happened. We were all expecting a lenient

:50:38.:50:42.

sentence, no sentence is enough to punish what it caused us, but you

:50:43.:50:47.

expected at least some time in prison, and it didn't happen. And no

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one explain to you why that was? I don't really feel like I know why.

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If you kill someone whilst under the influence of drugs behind the wheel,

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then you should be going to jail, there should be no question about

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it. You said you expected a lenient sentence, why? You just hear other

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lot of cases like it. I had never heard of a drug driving case in the

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news before, so they prepared us for it because of the way sentences go.

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I know that the woman was given a suspended sentence, and in the

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intervening period, quite a long period, she had a baby, was that one

:51:31.:51:34.

of the reasons they gave? Yes, they said it would be unfair on the baby

:51:35.:51:39.

to do that. Details like that don't really bother me, if that was the

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case, I think that is disgusting that it shouldn't be thought of, but

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for all we know, it could have been that she happened to have a baby at

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that time as well. For me, it is not the sentencing I want to get

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changed, people's mindset about it changed, I want people to think

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before they get behind the wheel, there are harsher laws with the

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sentences, and people still go and commit the crime. Putting a harsher

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sentence on might stop people doing it but for me it is more important

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to have people think about it, if you see a friend or anyone under the

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influence, stop them and have the confidence to say something because

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it literally can save lives. You are a young person yourself, clearly,

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are you aware of friends, people you know, who do take drugs and drive? I

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am not aware of anyone I know who does do it, if I did, I would say

:52:30.:52:34.

something. I guess it is that hard moment, when I was growing up many

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moons ago, there were people I knew that were taking drugs and would

:52:38.:52:43.

drive, and I never got in a car. But then it never even occurred to me to

:52:44.:52:47.

pick up the phone to call the police to alert in case something might

:52:48.:52:50.

happen. I guess it is about getting that message across to people that

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we have a responsibility. If you know someone does, then if it had

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been done on that day to the woman who killed my brother, then he still

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might be here. Do you think enough is being done to create that stigma

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around drug driving? To me, because it is not as widely done,

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drink-driving, a lot of people when you get to that age, but not as many

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people take drugs, so it is hidden behind it, not as common. Needs to

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be just as common, the awareness of it needs to be put out there. Some

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people watching this might be surprised, when we were talking to

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Dan before, he said you would expect the illegal drugs to be there, but

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there were nine prescription drugs as well, things like codeine. Some

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people may be unaware that can affect them driving. Yes, any drugs

:53:54.:53:59.

you can pick up, it should be made clear when you pick up a

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prescription or you are given drugs, the effects of what you can and

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can't do. When I have been on different medication, you end up

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asking if you can or not, everything should be given out, either a yes or

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no. The doctor should always say yes, you can still drive on it, just

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to clear up and reduce the risk. Tell us about how Aidan's loss has

:54:22.:54:26.

affected you as a brother but also your family. It was just

:54:27.:54:32.

devastating. You could see it in everyone. I was just going into my

:54:33.:54:38.

second year of A-levels at the time. Ended up not doing as I wanted to

:54:39.:54:42.

do. I just couldn't concentrate on the college. I would go in but I

:54:43.:54:46.

just could not keep focused on what I wanted to do. For the family, you

:54:47.:54:58.

can see it even now, my mum, the most amazing woman is, every day I

:54:59.:55:02.

will speak to her and you can see it still hurts her she still struggles

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with the fact he is not there, not up in his room on his computer,

:55:10.:55:14.

which is what he normally did. I remember for months and months, I

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would shout up to him that dinner was ready, because he would never

:55:20.:55:24.

hear, you would have to yell at the top of your voice. Every time when

:55:25.:55:27.

it comes to that time, I think I need to, and it is that moment, you

:55:28.:55:31.

just relive the moment over and over again. Thank you for talking us, I

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can imagine it has been ready difficult, and lovely to hear about

:55:35.:55:39.

your brother anyway. I appreciated. Thank you. The National police

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chief's council has responded to the story. They say drug driving is no

:55:45.:55:52.

one size fits all approach. Individual forces make decisions

:55:53.:55:56.

about local priorities and how best to balance their demand and resource

:55:57.:56:01.

in order to keep the public safe as that may bring you this, reaching us

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from Danny Shaw, our home affairs correspondent. The number of

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assaults in prisons in England and Wales has risen to a record high.

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There were 26,643 assaults in the 12 months to March 20 17. There were

:56:18.:56:25.

also a record number of self harm incidents, 40,000 414. There were 97

:56:26.:56:31.

self-inflicted deaths in the year to June, down by ten on the before.

:56:32.:56:36.

Also, some of your comments have been coming in, we are going to be

:56:37.:56:40.

talking a little while about whether primary school children should be

:56:41.:56:45.

taught about same-sex relationships. Tim on Twitter says primary school

:56:46.:56:52.

kids should be educated about same-sex religion ships and the

:56:53.:56:56.

dangers of inequality start early. They should let kids be kids, says

:56:57.:57:00.

this one, why do they have to be taught about everything from such an

:57:01.:57:04.

early age? Get in touch. Now the latest weather with Carol.

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A real mixture of weather over the next few days, bright spells,

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sunshine and showers and has a mother 's reign, but in the sunshine

:57:14.:57:16.

it will feel pleasant. If you are in the rain it will feel cool. Weather

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Watchers pictures are rather nice, you can see some rain. Some showers

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around as well in the West. We did have some blue skies. A fair bit

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cloud around. Coming from the West, it will be travelling steadily

:57:38.:57:40.

eastwards. Some have been heavy and thundery. And there are more to

:57:41.:57:45.

come. Low pressure driving our weather currently. It is going to be

:57:46.:57:55.

a windy day, especially later across north-west Scotland, but breezy

:57:56.:57:59.

across the west of the week UK, especially in the showers, and when

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you have that, nation you will find the temperature will come down.

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After a fairly cloudy start the cloud breaks, and then a plethora of

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showers coming in from the West, drifting east, some of them heavy,

:58:11.:58:13.

if you of them will be thundery as well. Even into the afternoon, we

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are looking at that, nation of bright spells, sunshine and showers.

:58:19.:58:22.

We weren't all catch one, it is not like a band of rain coming your way,

:58:23.:58:26.

however there will be sunny spells between and the showers will be

:58:27.:58:31.

knocking around. In Wales, as well. Temperatures in Aberystwyth getting

:58:32.:58:36.

up to 16 or 17 Celsius. For Northern Ireland, sunshine and showers,

:58:37.:58:40.

breeze picking up late in the day across the north-west, and for

:58:41.:58:44.

Scotland, that combination of bright spells, sunshine and showers.

:58:45.:58:48.

Temperatures in Inverness getting up to the mid to high teens. The

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northern England, again, we have got that same, nation of bright spells,

:58:53.:58:56.

at times there will be a bit more cloud around, sunny skies but also

:58:57.:59:01.

those showers and breezy. Through the evening, the rain picks up, some

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of the showers will merge and give along the spells of rain anyway and

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then we could have some gales off the west of Scotland. The band of

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rain starts to move eastwards and through the rest of the night and

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into tomorrow it will start to ferment. There will stop with some

:59:16.:59:18.

showers in the West but the many parts of England and Wales, it will

:59:19.:59:22.

remain dry with overnight lows between 12 and about 15. We start on

:59:23.:59:25.

that note tomorrow. Meanwhile, another band of rain

:59:26.:59:35.

swings in from the south-west, also pushing north-eastwards. Some of

:59:36.:59:39.

that will be heavy, particularly so on the hills in Wales. In the

:59:40.:59:45.

central slot, you're likely to have a drier day with some sunshine.

:59:46.:59:50.

Still an element of as to how far north rain will travel but we think

:59:51.:59:56.

by evening it could be in a line roughly pressed in to Hull. You

:59:57.:59:59.

might want to get your tent set up quite early in the day. On Saturday,

:00:00.:00:05.

cloudy and damp in the south-east, then another band of rain swings up

:00:06.:00:09.

across the Channel Islands, Southern counties, in the central and

:00:10.:00:12.

southern England. We will still have those showers across Scotland and

:00:13.:00:16.

Northern Ireland, at times some of them urging to give some longer

:00:17.:00:18.

spells of rain. Still a breezy day but not as breezy as it will be

:00:19.:00:22.

tomorrow, and again in between there will be some sunshine and just a few

:00:23.:00:26.

showers. Either time we get to Sunday, low pressure still driving

:00:27.:00:30.

our weather, there is the centre of it, still a lot showers close to it

:00:31.:00:33.

in Scotland and Northern Ireland, but for England and Wales it will be

:00:34.:00:37.

more showers than on Saturday, some will be heavy and thundery, in

:00:38.:00:41.

between bright sunny skies, with highs up to 22 Celsius.

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Hello, it's ten o'clock. I'm Chloe Tilley, welcome to the programme.

:00:52.:00:58.

The Government is commissioning a "detailed assessment" of the costs

:00:59.:01:00.

and benefits of EU migrants, as it decides how to manage

:01:01.:01:03.

The Immigration Minister, Brandon Lewis, said the report

:01:04.:01:11.

would help the Government protect the economy.

:01:12.:01:12.

The commission's work will help inform what industry and sectors

:01:13.:01:15.

need within the new structure of immigration as we go forward.

:01:16.:01:18.

50 years ago today, homosexuality was partially decriminalised

:01:19.:01:19.

A recent survey shows 48% of us believe same-sex relationships

:01:20.:01:31.

should not be taught in primary schools. We will discuss the issue.

:01:32.:01:33.

And veganism is one of the fastest growing food

:01:34.:01:36.

We'll be hearing from a professional free-runner.

:01:37.:01:51.

Here's Ben Brown in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:01:52.:01:54.

The Government has taken what is being described

:01:55.:01:56.

as a "major step" in developing a new immigration policy.

:01:57.:01:58.

Home Secretary Amber Rudd is asking independent migration experts

:01:59.:02:00.

to analyse the role of EU nationals living and working in the UK.

:02:01.:02:16.

They will report back next September, six months before

:02:17.:02:18.

the UK's deadline to leave the European Union.

:02:19.:02:20.

However, critics say the study has been commissioned too late.

:02:21.:02:24.

The parents of the terminally-ill baby Charlie Gard

:02:25.:02:26.

have until midday to agree with Great Ormond Street Hospital

:02:27.:02:29.

They've accepted that Charlie will spend his last days

:02:30.:02:32.

in a hospice rather than at home, but Chris Gard and Connie Yates

:02:33.:02:36.

are asking to spend more time with their son before life support

:02:37.:02:39.

The number of assaults in prisons in England and Wales has risen

:02:40.:02:47.

There were 26,643 assaults in the 12 months to March 2017.

:02:48.:02:52.

There were also a record number of self-harm incidents -

:02:53.:02:54.

There were 97 self-inflicted deaths in the year to June -

:02:55.:03:00.

A 16-year-old girl found dead on a railway is thought

:03:01.:03:07.

Taiyah Pebbles was discovered at Herne Bay station in Kent

:03:08.:03:11.

British Transport Police said the teenager was pronounced dead

:03:12.:03:16.

at the scene after sustaining serious injuries believed to be

:03:17.:03:18.

Wild fires are continuing to burn in parts of southern France.

:03:19.:03:26.

Thousands of people have been forced to leave their homes

:03:27.:03:29.

and campsites around the town of Bormes-Les-Mimosas.

:03:30.:03:32.

Many are spending a second night on beaches, or in sports halls

:03:33.:03:35.

At least 6,000 firefighters and troops are now battling the flames.

:03:36.:03:42.

For a third night, the skies glowed red in southern France as fierce

:03:43.:03:48.

wildfires continued to burn out of control.

:03:49.:03:53.

Hillsides engulfed by flames in Bormes-les-Mimosas,

:03:54.:03:56.

Local residents joining firefighters to battle the blaze that has

:03:57.:04:01.

forced the evacuation of over 10,000 people.

:04:02.:04:05.

Having watched the flames inch closer and closer on Wednesday,

:04:06.:04:08.

thousands of tourists took the chance to flee.

:04:09.:04:11.

Many had spent the last two nights in the public shelters

:04:12.:04:14.

TRANSLATION: We evacuate because of the fire is coming

:04:15.:04:20.

We left with our clothes and a little food.

:04:21.:04:27.

Residents who fled the flames have now begun to return

:04:28.:04:30.

to assess the damage to their homes and properties.

:04:31.:04:34.

TRANSLATION: All of a sudden we were in front of a wall of flame,

:04:35.:04:45.

We took some belongings, we took the two dogs and we left.

:04:46.:04:53.

TRANSLATION: I climbed high on the crest and I saw

:04:54.:04:56.

a picture of desolation, because all the camping

:04:57.:04:57.

was surrounded with flames and we couldn't do anything.

:04:58.:05:01.

Meeting some of the crews and volunteers on the frontline,

:05:02.:05:03.

the French Prime Minister, Edouard Philippe, said

:05:04.:05:05.

there would be an enquiry into the fire's cause,

:05:06.:05:08.

which some have blamed on an arsonists.

:05:09.:05:14.

The powerful and destructive combination of heat and wind set

:05:15.:05:17.

to fuel these fires and test these firefighters once again.

:05:18.:05:19.

The Chief Constable of Police Scotland, Phil Gormley,

:05:20.:05:25.

has confirmed he's being investigated over allegations

:05:26.:05:28.

Details of the complaint against Phil Gormley

:05:29.:05:36.

haven't been made public - but the BBC understands

:05:37.:05:38.

they relate to his conduct towards a more junior officer.

:05:39.:05:46.

The notion that you should always finish a course of antibiotics,

:05:47.:05:49.

even if you feel better, is being challenged by a group

:05:50.:05:52.

Writing in the British Medical Journal, it's argued that taking

:05:53.:05:55.

antibiotics for longer than necessary, can raise

:05:56.:05:57.

the risk of developing a resistance to the drugs.

:05:58.:05:59.

However, England's Chief Medical Officer says people shouldn't

:06:00.:06:01.

change their behaviour because of one study.

:06:02.:06:04.

The Prime Minister has said the Conservatives have "come a long

:06:05.:06:07.

way" on the issue of gay rights, but that there's still more to do

:06:08.:06:10.

Theresa May was marking the 50th anniversary today of the partial

:06:11.:06:14.

decriminalisation of homosexuality in England and Wales.

:06:15.:06:19.

It decriminalised homosexual acts in private between men

:06:20.:06:21.

The Duke of Cambridge will begin his last shift

:06:22.:06:31.

as an air ambulance pilot today - before taking up his

:06:32.:06:33.

For the past two years he's been working for the

:06:34.:06:37.

Writing in the Eastern Daily Press this morning he says he's

:06:38.:06:41.

That is the summary of our latest news. More from me later.

:06:42.:06:58.

Thank you, let's catch up on the sports news.

:06:59.:07:05.

Yes, Adam Peaty has retained his titles. He has added the 50 metre

:07:06.:07:11.

breaststroke title to the 100 metres. He could not lower his own

:07:12.:07:16.

record again. He did that in the heats and semifinals. But his margin

:07:17.:07:22.

of victory is a record winning margin in the 50 metres

:07:23.:07:24.

breaststroke. He says he has a lot more to give to the sport as well.

:07:25.:07:50.

England's cricketers are the Oval. The captain Joe Root has come under

:07:51.:08:09.

some criticism. Joe Root said the criticism has felt personal at

:08:10.:08:13.

times. Michael Vaughan said he is standing by his criticism. That is

:08:14.:08:17.

Ben Stokes bowling yesterday. Toby Rowland Jones will make his debut as

:08:18.:08:24.

well. The series is 1-1. It is important that as as a side remain

:08:25.:08:28.

true to each other. We are very honest in the dressing room. We know

:08:29.:08:33.

we did not do well enough last leg. Effort has never been an issue. We

:08:34.:08:38.

have a massive desire to go out and put a really strong performance in

:08:39.:08:43.

and bounce back strong. And some breaking news. The head of Spanish

:08:44.:08:49.

football has resigned as vice president of both Uefa and Fifa. The

:08:50.:08:52.

Spaniard was detained earlier this month after allegations of

:08:53.:08:59.

corruption, embezzlement and falsifying documents. He has denied

:09:00.:09:03.

the allegations. He will no longer have an official role at the

:09:04.:09:09.

football organisations. Two home nations could reach the

:09:10.:09:18.

knockout stages of the Euro Championships. Mark Sampson's side

:09:19.:09:26.

England need just a point to qualify top of group D. They will become the

:09:27.:09:33.

first England side to progress with a 100% record without conceding a

:09:34.:09:38.

goal. We want to improve, we want to do better. So far, we have had a

:09:39.:09:44.

good performance against Scotland. In other areas better performance

:09:45.:09:48.

against Spain. We need to keep the snowball rolling because we want to

:09:49.:09:51.

go in the knockout stages and in didn't and that we are the team to

:09:52.:10:00.

make it. And in the last couple of minutes, Chris Froome has confirmed

:10:01.:10:09.

he will ride this year in the Velta Spaniard. No rider has won the Tour

:10:10.:10:16.

de France and the Velta in the same year will stop it has not been done

:10:17.:10:22.

since 1995. He has been a runner-up a few times in the Velta Espana. He

:10:23.:10:30.

says it is brutal but he has done the Tour de France. I will be back

:10:31.:10:33.

with the headlines at half-past. Thank you.

:10:34.:10:38.

Just before the news we were talking about the number of assaults in

:10:39.:10:46.

prisons in England and Wales. Danny Shaw is here now. Take us through

:10:47.:10:52.

these. These are the latest figures from the prison service covering

:10:53.:10:56.

jails in England and Wales. They cover assault figures until the end

:10:57.:11:00.

of March. There is a record number of assaults in prisons in England

:11:01.:11:07.

and Wales, 26,000 600. 3600 of which were serious assaults and 7000 were

:11:08.:11:12.

assaults on staff. That number has gone up by a third in the last year.

:11:13.:11:17.

Really concerning figures about violence in prisons. Some of it is

:11:18.:11:23.

fuelled by former legal highs, psychoactive substances, but these

:11:24.:11:26.

will strengthen demands on the government to take action to try and

:11:27.:11:31.

make prisons face. We were hearing last week from the Chief Inspector

:11:32.:11:42.

Peter Clark, about prisons. Record numbers of self harm incidents. The

:11:43.:11:46.

number of self-inflicted deaths is still very high at 97, but down

:11:47.:11:50.

slightly, down ten on the previous year. Still approaching record

:11:51.:11:58.

levels. We have some other figures. A raft of statistics released today

:11:59.:12:02.

by the Ministry of Justice, and this shows that conditions in prisons are

:12:03.:12:08.

in decline. These are a series of rankings given by the Ministry of

:12:09.:12:11.

Justice every year to every single person, and what it shows is that

:12:12.:12:17.

ten are -- their performance is giving serious concern. That is up

:12:18.:12:24.

from six last year. Those prisons include Bedford and Birmingham,

:12:25.:12:28.

where there were some serious disturbances over the past 12

:12:29.:12:34.

months. Bristol, Brixton, Hindley, Liverpool prison, Pentonville, there

:12:35.:12:41.

were two escapes and an alleged murder at Pentonville, Wandsworth

:12:42.:12:43.

and Wormwood Scrubs in London as well. And finally, this will concern

:12:44.:12:48.

is of the public, this is about the state and people who are released in

:12:49.:12:52.

error from prisons. There were 15 states in the last 12 months. That

:12:53.:12:59.

is up two on the year before. The number of prisoners who are released

:13:00.:13:02.

in error, this is where they are meant to be in custody, but there is

:13:03.:13:08.

some administrative mistake, and they are actually let out. There

:13:09.:13:12.

were 71, and that is the highest number for at least a decade. Thank

:13:13.:13:18.

you for coming down and updating us. That is our home affairs

:13:19.:13:20.

correspondent Danny Shaw. It's 50 years today since

:13:21.:13:21.

homosexuality was partially But how much have attitudes

:13:22.:13:23.

to homosexuality changed? To find out, gay online

:13:24.:13:26.

news site Pink News It suggests four in ten people think

:13:27.:13:28.

gay sex is not natural, and half believe primary school

:13:29.:13:32.

children should not be taught Now we can speak to Benjamin Cohen,

:13:33.:13:35.

CEO of Pink News, Tony Fenwick from Schools Out, which provides

:13:36.:13:43.

resources to primary schools to teach about same-sex

:13:44.:13:48.

relationships, and Katie Ivens from the Campaign

:13:49.:13:50.

for Real Education. Thank you all for coming to speak to

:13:51.:14:04.

us today. Benjamin, why did you commission this survey and were you

:14:05.:14:08.

surprised by what you found out? We wanted to find that how people

:14:09.:14:13.

really feel about attitudes to homosexuality. It is the anniversary

:14:14.:14:19.

of the decriminalisation. We wanted to know if people felt gay sex was

:14:20.:14:23.

natural or unnatural and I was surprised that so many people felt

:14:24.:14:27.

it was unnatural. What is good is that the younger people are the more

:14:28.:14:34.

positive in the way they feel about gay relationships. But more than

:14:35.:14:40.

50%, actually 70% of people who were alive when homosexuality was a

:14:41.:14:45.

crime, still think it is an unnatural act. About the education

:14:46.:14:50.

in schools, Katie, can you understand why people think it is

:14:51.:14:54.

important to think young children, and at primary school we are talking

:14:55.:14:59.

about age four to nearly 11, about same-sex relationships. I think

:15:00.:15:06.

primary education should be teaching the basics, literacy, numeracy,

:15:07.:15:13.

learning about facts through subject education and becoming readers and

:15:14.:15:17.

independent thinkers for themselves. I think the whole area of sexuality

:15:18.:15:22.

should not be the main focus of primary education. Every child

:15:23.:15:25.

should be treated and respected as an individual, but let the children

:15:26.:15:31.

develop as they develop. I do think anyone thinks it should be the

:15:32.:15:33.

primary focus. My niece Isabel is starting primary

:15:34.:15:45.

school. One of her favourite books is called King and King, it tells

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the story about two princes who fall in love and become things together.

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There is no reason if you want to promote literacy that you couldn't

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have books that are gay inclusive, and all we were asking about was

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about relationship education. Lots of children like my niece had gay

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members in their family and this is important that all young people

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understand families come in all different shapes and sizes, and all

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schools teach about mum and dad, why not teach about mummy and mummy and

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daddy and daddy? Education should be liberal, but I am talking about the

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focus, which I should jest should not be on the issue of sexual

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identity at primaries call age. I don't think they would be doing that

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at four or five. I don't know quite honestly what will be introduced to

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children. My daughter has finished reception, she told me one day she

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would marry one boy and one girl in her class, so I think it is quite a

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simplistic approach. Sometimes the children almost don't think about

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it, do they? Do they think about a mummy and daddy always has to be

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together? Not many years ago children at primary school age would

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have no access to same-sex relationships and that kind of thing

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but it is a very different world we live in now. Many children have

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same-sex parents, they will have a gay auntie or uncle or a lesbian

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member of the family. So it is much closer to home. Also in soap operas

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as if they watch television, they will see same-sex couples, it is

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part of the everyday tapestry. We are no longer invisible. That has to

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be reflected in primary school education. How do you teach it,

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there are concerns from Katie, and I am sure many parents will say I tell

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my chart going to school and it being advocated, what is the

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sensitive line you tread? I don't think in primary anyone would be

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promoting the idea that we should beat teaching young people how to

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have sex, gay or straight. It is about relationships and families.

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Families come in different shapes and sizes. Exactly, we start by

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challenging the stereotypes, blue for boys, think the girls, that kind

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of thing, and then talk about how different relationships form

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different families and how that is acceptable and part of our rich

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diversity in our society, and also our British values, which we talk

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about a lot now. It is one of our British values. Katie, you said you

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did not want it to be a primary focus, so how much of a young child

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was night-time, education, is spent having this discussion, are we

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talking an hour a week, a term? I think it is about relevance. Parents

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watching this will say I want my child to do this much maths and

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English, are we talking about this every day, every of week, every

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month? The government is going to expand its birth in the secondary

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and the primary, because it has not been taught very well in the past

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and it will now be a curriculum subject that will be assessed. Sex

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and relationship education will come into that as part of a holistic

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curriculum area. Why not with the choice of books have gay characters

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in them? You can still teach literacy. My little niece is

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learning to read, and one of the books she uses doesn't just have a

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prince that marries a princess. Which many parents hate anyway! PHS

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E has never been good and I don't see why it should become any better

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now just by talking about it more. I don't think it is going to happen. I

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think it should be done factually, and it should focus on reproduction,

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frankly, because we are the human species. We are mammals. Do you want

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to teach five-year-olds about that? I have taught my own four or

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five-year-old because they asked the questions and I gave the answers. My

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nine-year-old did not want to know when his class was taught. His

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friends are sorted a girl behind the bike sheds. I suggest we remain very

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careful about it and focus on teaching fundamentals, to read and

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to think themselves. If they are taught that as welcome is there a

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place in school to teach just about relationships? Not even about

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same-sex relationships, about friendships, sorting out problems,

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and yes it is about mum and dad or mum and mum and dad and dad. Or just

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mum and just dad. Indeed. The way you address relationships in primary

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school, you don't address those as a subject. Relationships are not a

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subject, teach the subjects, get them thinking for themselves, get

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them to be critical and develop as individuals, developing their

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intelligence, that is what schools should be about. I think that is

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what everyone is proposing, aren't they? A lot of people at Promis call

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age know a lot about sexuality and homosexuality and a lot of things

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that aren't true, probably a lot of bad things, from their peers, a lot

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of people out side. It is up to us as educators to talk to them

:21:19.:21:20.

properly and clear up the mess and tell them the truth. It is not just

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about sex, but also about safeguarding and protecting these

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children so they know when they are in a vulnerable position and they

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know what to do about it. We are wrapped out of time, thank you for

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coming in and talking about this. Still to come, the parents of the

:21:38.:21:40.

terminally ill baby Charlie Gard, have until midday to agree how his

:21:41.:21:42.

life will end. We'll bring you the

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latest on the case. 12 years, women's and children's

:21:45.:22:09.

lives are being put at risk. They have new research to show that in

:22:10.:22:12.

nearly a quarter of cases where domestic violence is alleged,

:22:13.:22:14.

unsupervised contact during a father and child is granted. Earlier I

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spoke to women's aid 's new chief executive, Katie Ghosh, and we also

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spoke to Sarah Parsons from a group of social workers who were appointed

:22:27.:22:30.

by family courts. But I began by talking to Zoe Dronfield. Zoe was a

:22:31.:22:35.

survivor of domestic violence and had her daughter taken away from her

:22:36.:22:39.

by the family courts. She told me the whole experience was hideous.

:22:40.:23:05.

So we came face-to-face in the waiting room.

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And he was saying all sorts of things, so that was

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And the fact that I'd just left hospital was getting

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over a serious a sort, so I was having to deal

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Then the court itself was really clinical,

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there was zero emotion, no understanding of the traumatic

:23:19.:23:21.

experience that you're going through really.

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Because it's life-changing, decisions are going to be made

:23:23.:23:24.

in that courtroom that are going to affect the rest

:23:25.:23:27.

of your life and the rest of your children's lives.

:23:28.:23:42.

And we hear Zoe's story and we can tell just by hearing that story how

:23:43.:23:46.

traumatic it is even now, Zoe, for you to talk about that.

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We can see that from the way that you are sitting,

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Are these similar experiences that you were hearing?

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Sadly, we have heard from women in situations such

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as the one Zoe has described, and others as well,

:23:57.:23:59.

where they have suffered domestic abuse and violence,

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and then have to relive that trauma going through the courts.

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And sadly we also know that some perpetrators of violence

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will actively use the family courts to continue a campaign of coercive

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There are lots of issues here and we just need to be mindful

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and listen and learn from the experiences

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We are very pleased that there is refreshed guidance for judges,

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We want the government to get on and act on that and sign it off.

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And that's going to make some improvements to the family courts,

:24:32.:24:34.

so that they can really make sure that women and their experiences

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Sarah, go through what those changes will be once they are brought in?

:24:38.:24:42.

The new guidance will make sure, for instance, that women who have

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suffered domestic abuse are not cross examined by their perpetrator.

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People will find that amazing watching this,

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It doesn't happen in the criminal cases, does it?

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And the organisation that I am from, Cafcass, who look after the best

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interests of children in these proceedings, have been contributing

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to the updated guidance and are in favour of those changes.

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Zoe, do you feel, as we heard there from Katie, that there are times

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when your partner was able to manipulate the system

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I mean, it was manipulation right from the very beginning.

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He used the assault as an opportunity to then ask

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He then submitted all sorts of lies into the court.

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Honestly, it's like going into another dimension, that's

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Why has there been a delay, Katie, in these suggestions

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being implemented, these recommendations

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I don't know why the delay has been, but we're really pleased

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Not least because it makes it crystal clear to judges

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and everyone in the courts, that it is the child's safety

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And actually, it's that which trumps the interests or the wishes

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So the guidance is good, it's going to make difference,

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and now we just want the government to get on and sign and seal it

:26:25.:26:27.

and have it in practice because women and children

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are in the family courts every single day right now

:26:31.:26:32.

and it is really important that this is done quickly.

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I'm aware that it's really, very critical to make sure

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The government sent us the following. These are very sensitive

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cases and it is only right that the rules are very carefully considered.

:26:54.:27:01.

The long-held message that patients should complete every course

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of antibiotics - even if they feel better -

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should end, according to a group of medical experts.

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They argue in the British Medical Journal that that taking antibiotics

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for longer than necessary can raise the risk of developing a resistance

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The government's chief medical officer has said the message

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to the public remains that they should always

:27:17.:27:18.

follow the advice of healthcare professionals.

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Philip Howard, from the British Society

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of Antimicrobial Chemotherapy, is an expert on antibiotics.

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And Martin Marshall from the Royal College of GPs

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So Martin, just explain first of all why with these people have come

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together and look at this as an issue? Is it because of the concerns

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about as taking too many antibiotics? The whole issue of

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antibiotics resistance is a massive challenge for the NHS. Our Chief

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Medical Officer has described it as big a challenge as terrorism, in

:27:53.:28:00.

terms of potential costs. So we have a big challenge with antibiotic

:28:01.:28:05.

resistance. A number of areas of guidance that doctors and patients

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have been given, take your medication and take it as

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prescribed. These experts are challenging that guidance, and they

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are questioning whether it is based on good scientific evidence or not.

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It is not so much that I made an active decision not to take them, I

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kind of forgot, and I guess many people do that. Do you think that

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makes sense, or is it dangerous? A lot of people do forget and a lot of

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people don't take a full medication. I don't agree with this paper as it

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stands at the moment. It is not an original research paper, it is a

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thought piece, a criticism, if you like, it is important that in

:28:50.:28:52.

medical journals we have these criticisms. It isn't saying there is

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new evidence that says we should change our policy. At the moment the

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policy remains the same, guidance the same, because we don't have

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enough evidence to change it. Phil Howard, do you think it is right

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people should not take a full course of antibiotics if they are feeling

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better? I think we should follow the advice given by the health care

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practitioner. I think the paper really raises the debate about

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completing the course, and I think the decision on the length of the

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course needs to be made by the health care practitioner that the

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patient is seeing. I den think there is enough evidence to change policy

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at the moment. I think we need clear information for patients. I think if

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we change this message now, people will stockpile medicines at home and

:29:45.:29:47.

take any leftovers, rather than go to see their GP for expert advice,

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which could actually increase antibiotic resistance. So is the

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answer shorter courses? I think we have to explore on a case-by-case

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basis for individual infections, and actually look at if standard length

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is appropriate for all patients. Do we need to give different lengths to

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the vulnerable groups, such as the very young, old or those who have

:30:14.:30:19.

immunosuppression. There needs to be further evidence before we make a

:30:20.:30:27.

policy change. Yes, we already have a fair amount of flexibility within

:30:28.:30:31.

prescribing guidance, so for urinary tract infections, if someone is

:30:32.:30:37.

otherwise healthy and well, it is only three days, but the infections

:30:38.:30:42.

in children, tonsillitis and adults, where we prescribe longer, a week or

:30:43.:30:45.

so. There is already a fair amount of flexibility. The idea of

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adjusting not just by patients, it is a really interesting idea but we

:30:54.:30:56.

don't have any evidence to guide us. So at the moment the evidence

:30:57.:30:59.

suggests we should do we are currently doing, and it will be very

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dangerous to change that without new evidence that tells us.

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Have you seen a change in the number of people who have said I would like

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some antibiotics? Yes, I have. A significant change. Often GPs talk

:31:18.:31:21.

about patients who come in with viral sore throats who want

:31:22.:31:24.

antibiotics. We rarely see that these days. Now we see patients who

:31:25.:31:30.

are reluctant to take antibiotics and they want to use their own

:31:31.:31:33.

immune system to fight the infection. That is a great victory

:31:34.:31:39.

for general practice and public health campaigns. We have turned

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around, if you like, public attitudes towards and biotics which

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is good. Phil, do you think attitudes are significantly changing

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towards antibiotics? You used the example earlier on of terrorism. Do

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you think the message is getting through to people of making sure we

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do not get antibiotic resistance? No, I think there is a lot more we

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should be doing. You have to tailor the message to the way that will

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affect them rather than something which will affect them 20 or 30

:32:20.:32:24.

years in the future. We also have to talk about the potential harms of

:32:25.:32:30.

antibiotics. They can cause diarrhoea and make you feel unwell.

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You should not take other people's and a biotics but you should go and

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see an expert who might give you some advice about your infection. Do

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people really do that, take other people's antibiotics? Yes, it often

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does happen. They will often take a short course and keep the remaining

:32:52.:32:57.

tablets in their cupboard and take some later on or they will take

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their brother or sister's or their parents, so it does happen. But the

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advice now is take the course until the end. Yes, do what your GP

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prescribes. Still to come: Britain's Adam Peaty defending his restrict

:33:17.:33:22.

title with another stunning display to complete a world Aquatics

:33:23.:33:25.

Championship double double. We will speak to the man who trained with

:33:26.:33:31.

him for five years. He is also his housemate.

:33:32.:33:32.

With one in five of us considering the diet we'll be

:33:33.:33:37.

talking to some people who follow it to find out what it's like.

:33:38.:33:40.

Here's Ben Brown in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:33:41.:33:43.

The Government has taken what is being described

:33:44.:33:47.

as a "major step" in developing a new immigration policy.

:33:48.:33:49.

Home Secretary Amber Rudd is asking independent migration experts

:33:50.:33:51.

to analyse the role of EU nationals living and working in the UK.

:33:52.:33:55.

They will report back next September, six months before

:33:56.:33:57.

the UK's deadline to leave the European Union.

:33:58.:33:59.

However, critics say the study has been commissioned too late.

:34:00.:34:09.

This is part of the process. This work has been going on for a year.

:34:10.:34:16.

The migration advisory committee's work starts now. But liaising with

:34:17.:34:20.

the industry and talking to different sectors has been going on

:34:21.:34:24.

for a considerable period of time. This is part of the process of

:34:25.:34:27.

informing the work the government will do on deciding what the

:34:28.:34:32.

government policy will be when we leave the European Union and free

:34:33.:34:34.

movement ends. The parents of the terminally-ill

:34:35.:34:40.

baby Charlie Gard have until midday to agree

:34:41.:34:42.

with Great Ormond Street Hospital They've accepted that Charlie

:34:43.:34:44.

will spend his last days in a hospice rather than at home,

:34:45.:34:48.

but Chris Gard and Connie Yates are asking to spend more time

:34:49.:34:51.

with their son before life support The number of assaults in prisons

:34:52.:34:54.

in England and Wales has risen There were 26,643 assaults in the 12

:34:55.:34:58.

months to March 2017. There were also a record number

:34:59.:35:01.

of self-harm incidents - There were 97 self-inflicted deaths

:35:02.:35:04.

in the year to June - Wild fires are continuing to burn

:35:05.:35:09.

in parts of southern France. Thousands of people have been forced

:35:10.:35:15.

to leave their homes and campsites around

:35:16.:35:17.

the town of Bormes-Les-Mimosas. Many are spending a second night

:35:18.:35:22.

on beaches, or in sports halls At least 6,000 firefighters and

:35:23.:35:25.

troops are now battling the flames. The Chief Constable

:35:26.:35:35.

of Police Scotland, Phil Gormley, has confirmed he's being

:35:36.:35:37.

investigated over allegations Details of the complaint

:35:38.:35:38.

against Phil Gormley haven't been made public -

:35:39.:35:41.

but the BBC understands they relate to his conduct

:35:42.:35:44.

towards a more junior officer. The Prime Minister has said

:35:45.:35:51.

the Conservatives have "come a long way" on the issue of gay rights,

:35:52.:35:54.

but that there's still more to do Theresa May was marking the 50th

:35:55.:35:57.

anniversary today of the partial decriminalisation of homosexuality

:35:58.:36:01.

in England and Wales. It decriminalised homosexual

:36:02.:36:03.

acts in private between men The Duke of Cambridge

:36:04.:36:07.

will begin his last shift as an air ambulance pilot today -

:36:08.:36:14.

before taking up his For the past two years he's been

:36:15.:36:17.

working for the Writing in the Eastern Daily Press

:36:18.:36:23.

this morning he says he's That's a summary of the latest

:36:24.:36:28.

news, join me for BBC Newsroom Live Thank you. A few minutes ago we were

:36:29.:36:44.

talking about whether primary school children should be talking about

:36:45.:36:48.

same-sex relationships. A lot of you have got in touch. Caroline on

:36:49.:36:52.

Facebook says a loving relationship between two people of the same sex,

:36:53.:36:56.

counts more than an abusive relationship between a man and a

:36:57.:37:02.

woman. Elizabeth on Facebook says children will learn about same-sex

:37:03.:37:05.

relationships in the playground anyway. It is better to give them

:37:06.:37:10.

the facts in school. And Bev says let children be children and do what

:37:11.:37:13.

children do. There is plenty of time for all of that at secondary school.

:37:14.:37:19.

Too much is put onto young people. Do keep your views coming. Let's

:37:20.:37:23.

catch up with the sport now with Ollie.

:37:24.:37:26.

Three players will make their Test debut for England when play gets

:37:27.:37:28.

underway in the Third Test against South Africa at the Oval

:37:29.:37:31.

in the Second Test at Trent Bridge prompting some criticism.

:37:32.:37:40.

It's a four game series, currently it's one all.

:37:41.:37:43.

England have just won the toss. They will bat first.

:37:44.:37:48.

Chris Froome has confirmed that he will race in next month's

:37:49.:37:51.

The four-time Tour de France champion is aiming to become

:37:52.:37:54.

the first man to do the double in the same year since 1995.

:37:55.:37:57.

Over 90,000 fans in Los Angeles saw Manchester City beat Real Madrid 4-1

:37:58.:38:00.

17-year-old Brahim Diaz was one of the scorers Man United

:38:01.:38:05.

ended their tour of the US with a 1-0 defeat to Barcelona.

:38:06.:38:13.

And the head of the Spanish Football Association has resigned from both

:38:14.:38:22.

Uefa and Fifa. He faces corruption charges but denies the allegations

:38:23.:38:26.

against him. That is all for now. I will be back on BBC News after 11

:38:27.:38:28.

o'clock. Thank you.

:38:29.:38:31.

The parents of the terminally ill baby, Charlie Gard,

:38:32.:38:33.

have until midday to agree how his life will end.

:38:34.:38:36.

They've accepted Charlie will be moved to a hospice

:38:37.:38:38.

rather than go home, but Chris Gard and Connie Yates

:38:39.:38:40.

are asking to spend more time with their son before his life

:38:41.:38:43.

We can now speak to our correspondent Richard Lister

:38:44.:38:46.

What will happen at midday? Well, we are unlikely to be told the details

:38:47.:38:57.

about when Charlie Gard is moved to a hospice. That is a private

:38:58.:39:00.

arrangement that the court has made with the family, and we are unlikely

:39:01.:39:04.

to be told anything about that. And in fact, we are not allowed to

:39:05.:39:10.

report which hospice he will be moved to, and when and if he is

:39:11.:39:15.

moved. All we know is that by midday, the deadline for the parents

:39:16.:39:19.

of Charlie Gard, to have an agreement with Great Ormond Street

:39:20.:39:23.

hospital, and the Guardian for Charlie, that deadline will expire.

:39:24.:39:27.

What the parents have to be able to do is satisfied Great Ormond Street

:39:28.:39:30.

Hospital, that they have a medical team in place at the hospice where

:39:31.:39:34.

Charlie will be moved to, that can oversee his care for a number of

:39:35.:39:38.

days, that they say they want, to be able to spend the last days with

:39:39.:39:43.

Charlie. It has been such a long legal battle on this. Have we heard

:39:44.:39:52.

it on this latest element from Charlie's parents? We have not heard

:39:53.:39:55.

beyond the appeals on Facebook that they have made for a properly

:39:56.:39:59.

qualified doctor to be able to take care of and oversee this team that

:40:00.:40:03.

the parents want to put in place for Charlie at the hospice. We have

:40:04.:40:08.

heard them very anguished at court on the way the decisions have been

:40:09.:40:12.

made thus far. But the High Court has been very clear on this. It was

:40:13.:40:18.

back in April but Mr Justice Francis said Charlie should be able to die

:40:19.:40:22.

with dignity, because there is concern he is suffering with pain.

:40:23.:40:26.

Because he is unable to move, to see, hear, or make a sound, it is

:40:27.:40:30.

very difficult to know what condition he is in. His parents

:40:31.:40:34.

insist he is not in pain and they said is right for them to be able to

:40:35.:40:39.

spend a few more days at a hospice. But Great Ormond Street hospital say

:40:40.:40:52.

that can only happen if the care is in place, and so far it seems that

:40:53.:40:55.

the parents are unable to provide the care team to satisfy the

:40:56.:40:57.

hospital's requirements. Thank you. You can stay up to date on the BBC

:40:58.:41:00.

News app and online. Could you live

:41:01.:41:03.

without meat of dairy? With one in five of us

:41:04.:41:06.

considering turning vegan we'll be talking to some of the people

:41:07.:41:08.

who have taken it up Britain's Adam Peaty

:41:09.:41:11.

defended his 50m breaststroke title with another stunning display

:41:12.:41:14.

to complete a World Aquatics Peaty, 22, who also retained his

:41:15.:41:17.

100m title on Monday now has five world titles to go along

:41:18.:41:29.

with his Olympic gold medal It's been quite the record-breaking

:41:30.:41:33.

career for Adam so far. In total, Adam has broken

:41:34.:41:36.

the 50m breaststroke And during these championships,

:41:37.:41:38.

he became the first swimmer to go under 26 seconds in the 50m race,

:41:39.:41:44.

completing the distance in 25.95. In the 100 metres, he holds the top

:41:45.:41:50.

ten times in the world! And he's hoping to become the first

:41:51.:41:53.

swimmer to complete the 100m breaststroke in under 57 seconds,

:41:54.:41:56.

which he calls Project 56. In a moment, we'll speak to somebody

:41:57.:42:02.

who knows him best, but first, let's take a look at the race last

:42:03.:42:06.

night. COMMENTATOR: A good,

:42:07.:42:14.

solid reaction to the gun, and a very good start

:42:15.:42:16.

for Adam Peaty. If you get a great start

:42:17.:42:19.

in the semifinal, that is what got This is quite amazing,

:42:20.:42:31.

absolutely brilliant Peaty is making the rest

:42:32.:42:35.

of the world reset their dreams because their dreams are no

:42:36.:42:39.

longer quick enough. And the time, 25.99, just outside

:42:40.:42:40.

of his own world record. And the rest of the world starting

:42:41.:42:43.

to come with him, you know. But no one within half a second

:42:44.:42:46.

of Great Britain's Adam Peaty. He won gold on the 50, and now

:42:47.:42:50.

he has done the double-double. We can speak to a friend

:42:51.:42:54.

of Adam Peaty - Ryan Lovatt - who trained with him for about five

:42:55.:43:08.

years, has known him ten years, Ryan, did you know he had those

:43:09.:43:19.

performances in him? Yes, it has been a long time coming, that he has

:43:20.:43:26.

been improving on the 50. Since Rio he has always been talking about

:43:27.:43:29.

that he could lower it again. I think it has come sooner than

:43:30.:43:34.

expected, with three years to go before Tokyo, but he has done

:43:35.:43:40.

amazing out there this time. And he is only 22. Yes, it is scary to

:43:41.:43:45.

think what he has achieved in his lifetime so far and what could still

:43:46.:43:51.

to come. Who knows what he will do. Tell us a bit about what he is like

:43:52.:43:56.

as a housemate, messy, annoying, fun? He is actually really, really

:43:57.:44:02.

clean. He loves tidying. That is one of his favourite hobbies. He loves

:44:03.:44:06.

the Hoover and the dust which works wonders for me that he is not in the

:44:07.:44:12.

house that often, he is training a lot, but the dedication and

:44:13.:44:15.

commitment he puts into training, allows him to spend time at home

:44:16.:44:20.

revitalising. Tell us about the training regime. He gets up at what

:44:21.:44:25.

time? He will get up around six o'clock, head to the pool for a

:44:26.:44:27.

couple of hours. He will do a couple of hours in the water and an hour in

:44:28.:44:51.

the gym after. He will come home a lunch at about 12 o'clock. He will

:44:52.:44:54.

have a little sleep before going back to the pool for two or three

:44:55.:44:57.

hours in the pool, or stretching. Then he will come home around 8pm.

:44:58.:45:00.

Does he eat you out of house and home?

:45:01.:45:10.

He wants to fuel his body with the best things he can to get the

:45:11.:45:15.

performances he is doing out in Bulic Forsythe now. -- in Budapest.

:45:16.:45:27.

Did you always know that he was talented, but that much more

:45:28.:45:31.

talented than everybody else? Definitely. He came about 14 or 15.

:45:32.:45:40.

At the time he was on Mars ahead of everybody else. He was just a normal

:45:41.:45:48.

swimmer in the pool. That normal dedication and he has come through

:45:49.:45:51.

the ranks and through the ranks and he has got the time. To go under 26

:45:52.:45:59.

was not something we thought he could do so soon. It shows great

:46:00.:46:14.

science 30 and the competitions within that time frame, sorry, for

:46:15.:46:22.

Tokyo. Olly Foster was saying, almost created his own stroke. Just

:46:23.:46:34.

so fluid,. He won the 50 by 2%. A huge margin to be winning by that

:46:35.:46:43.

distance. Project 56, to try to do 100 metres in under 57 seconds. 100

:46:44.:46:51.

breast row, Adam was the only person to go sub 58. To be talking about

:46:52.:46:57.

sub 57 is something the whole world will be worried about. After the

:46:58.:47:01.

performances he has done in the last 48 hours, and he goes again in the

:47:02.:47:06.

relay on Sunday, it is something he will be looking to try and clinch in

:47:07.:47:11.

that. Does he have to set himself goals like that to stay motivated? I

:47:12.:47:16.

think that is what gives him the drive, that energy to want to get

:47:17.:47:23.

back in that pool. He knows he is a good swimmer, going out there, it is

:47:24.:47:28.

how can he make himself feel he has achieved that extra little thing. He

:47:29.:47:36.

went 57.12 in the relay yesterday, faster than his current world

:47:37.:47:39.

record, and you do get an advantage being in a relay of an anticipated

:47:40.:47:43.

start, but it just shows that the 56, he is capable of doing that.

:47:44.:47:48.

Thank you ever so much for speaking to us, Ryan, a flatmate of Adam

:47:49.:47:54.

Peaty. It is one of the fastest-growing food movement and

:47:55.:47:56.

now a new study shows that one in five of us would consider a vegan

:47:57.:47:58.

diet. There are now half a million

:47:59.:48:01.

vegans in the UK - the diet has risen by 250%

:48:02.:48:04.

in the last decade. As well as being cited

:48:05.:48:06.

for its health benefits, veganism is said to have positives

:48:07.:48:08.

on the planet. Let's talk to Sean Fox

:48:09.:48:10.

and Jessica Spencer-Keyse, who became vegans two weeks ago

:48:11.:48:14.

together, and Emily Hyland, Also Ayela Spiro,

:48:15.:48:16.

the Nutrition Science Manager at the British Nutrition Foundation,

:48:17.:48:20.

who thinks a diet that includes plant-based food

:48:21.:48:22.

is beneficial to our diet. Sophie Medlin, a lecturer

:48:23.:48:24.

in Nutrition and Dietetics at King's College London

:48:25.:48:26.

and a freelance dietitian who says she would never recommend

:48:27.:48:29.

someone becoming a vegan. And professional free-runner

:48:30.:48:30.

Tim Shieff, who won the 2009 Barclaycard World Freerun

:48:31.:48:33.

Championship. He says he feels great from changing

:48:34.:48:33.

his diet to vegan in 2012. Hello, good to see you all. Tim,

:48:34.:48:54.

let's start with you, being a professional athlete and a vegan,

:48:55.:48:57.

some people might think that doesn't go together naturally. Yes, I think

:48:58.:49:02.

the experience has changed all of that for me and for anyone who has

:49:03.:49:05.

looked into it, there are plenty of athletes all over the planet going

:49:06.:49:08.

vegan for their health, to improve their skills and they are seeing

:49:09.:49:12.

themselves go up in the ranking. For me, I have felt so much better

:49:13.:49:16.

within days. I felt a difference in me as an athlete. There was a test

:49:17.:49:20.

and a challenge, because I thought maybe I will get worse, I didn't

:49:21.:49:23.

really know. The protein myth and all this sort of stuff, but the

:49:24.:49:27.

experience was there was rewarded my decision, and it has just gone from

:49:28.:49:33.

strength to strength. Emily Wold you agree? Yes, 100%. That has changed

:49:34.:49:38.

my whole view on eating and what I put in my body. So what do you eat?

:49:39.:49:46.

Give me an example. Lots of potatoes, steamed vegetables, lots

:49:47.:49:50.

of vegan cheese, every supermarket now sells vegan cheeses. Nuts,

:49:51.:49:56.

crisps, a lot of the same stuff, vegan burgers, lasagne is, great

:49:57.:50:05.

carbonaras. Everything you used to eat but a vegan nosed version. And

:50:06.:50:09.

you know what is in it, rather than stabbing something a few times,

:50:10.:50:13.

whacking it in the microwave or throwing it on the grill can put all

:50:14.:50:18.

the love into it, throw it into something else that you would love

:50:19.:50:21.

the taste of and typically you know what has gone into it. I was reading

:50:22.:50:27.

you were a massive meat eater. I used to work in a coffee shop, and I

:50:28.:50:31.

would be cutting when somebody would come to the counter and say what

:50:32.:50:42.

vegan options have you got? We have come as a couple, but having the

:50:43.:50:46.

catalyst for thinking differently is the big thing setting the majority

:50:47.:50:49.

of people apart from meeting a decision like this. It was not

:50:50.:50:53.

something in my periphery at all, not something, like I say, I was

:50:54.:50:58.

looking at all the stereotypes, wearing sacks and dreadlocks,

:50:59.:51:02.

thinking OK. Haven't seen many of those this morning. They are

:51:03.:51:07.

perceptions to be broken down. Does that mean you forced to do it?

:51:08.:51:15.

Absolutely not. We watched Okja, the film, and it had us in tears at the

:51:16.:51:19.

end, we were perfectly convinced there was no reason to kill any

:51:20.:51:23.

animals to eat them. I have had a long-term health condition and I

:51:24.:51:26.

have seen a dramatic shift in my health in the last 12 days. Really?

:51:27.:51:32.

I literally couldn't do anything other than my job, my focus was my

:51:33.:51:36.

job, and now I cycled the three hours the other night. You have two

:51:37.:51:42.

where her out now. I have seen an amazing transformation and I want to

:51:43.:51:50.

share it with people. I want to bring in Sophie, would you recommend

:51:51.:51:53.

anybody becomes a vegan, is it healthy for us to become beacons? It

:51:54.:51:58.

can be, but it is woolly hard work to make a vegan diet healthy. You

:51:59.:52:01.

have to think carefully about what you want to eat all the time. I have

:52:02.:52:06.

never recommended any of my patients following a vegan diet, I can't see

:52:07.:52:09.

myself changing that, it is very important to make sure your diet is

:52:10.:52:13.

safe and gives you all the nutrition you need. I have been a nutritional

:52:14.:52:19.

scientist to 13 or 14 years now, it would be very hard for me on a

:52:20.:52:24.

day-to-day basis to make sure I was meeting all of my nutritional

:52:25.:52:26.

requirements. Most people would need to take some supplements. It is very

:52:27.:52:31.

challenging to do that just on a vegan diet. Do you guys take

:52:32.:52:37.

supplements? I used to be the, but the rest of the time I have a meal

:52:38.:52:43.

plan written out. I feel really empowered by making that choice.

:52:44.:52:46.

Before I was stating whatever, now it is I need to eat this much to get

:52:47.:52:51.

this much magnesium, and if I eat chickpeas, I am getting all the

:52:52.:52:57.

protein. Sounds exhausting! I find it William Harrold. You think about

:52:58.:53:01.

football. It is important to know you can be healthy and a vegan, but

:53:02.:53:07.

you can also be unhealthy and be a beacon. It is not just about giving

:53:08.:53:11.

up animal products. You need to include all the vital nutrients you

:53:12.:53:16.

need, you can have a really good and healthy diet, and scientific

:53:17.:53:19.

evidence does look at more plant -based diets, not necessarily vegan,

:53:20.:53:24.

a lot of fruit and veg, whole grains, beans and pulses, these are

:53:25.:53:27.

food groups that the government, World Health Organisation, the world

:53:28.:53:36.

Cancer research funds, will include people to -- encourage people to

:53:37.:53:38.

include more plant -based things in their diets because they include

:53:39.:53:42.

vital nutrients. People who follow more plant -based have lower rates

:53:43.:53:48.

of obesity, cardiovascular disease, but it is very important when people

:53:49.:53:51.

are considering taking a vegan diets that they are aware of the nutrients

:53:52.:53:54.

they could be lacking and make sure they include foods. One of the

:53:55.:54:00.

important things is if any of you spent that much time looking at your

:54:01.:54:03.

diet, whether you are looking at making it into a vegan diet or a

:54:04.:54:07.

much better balanced on the board diet, you would feel much better. It

:54:08.:54:11.

is not just because you have cut out all those things. That is because

:54:12.:54:14.

you are focusing on your diet and looking at the balance of it. I

:54:15.:54:19.

don't take any supplements, protein powders, ie the balanced, I do think

:54:20.:54:23.

about it that much daily first it becomes second nature quickly. I

:54:24.:54:27.

think nature has pretty much provided. If you are worried, you

:54:28.:54:31.

can look into it and take the supplements and eventually you

:54:32.:54:36.

quickly learn it. For me it is out of compassion, you watched Okja, you

:54:37.:54:39.

saw that animals are suffering and it is no longer necessary because

:54:40.:54:42.

you can make it work. Even if it is a bit of extra work in the

:54:43.:54:47.

beginning, you are doing it out of goodwill. Compassion. I can't

:54:48.:54:55.

comment on the ethical side of things, I am probably a moral

:54:56.:55:04.

beacon! Everyone is against Anil suffering, ask every person.

:55:05.:55:07.

Everyone would agree. What is the spectrum, is it OK to kill it for

:55:08.:55:11.

food, now we realise that one in five are considering it, one in 20

:55:12.:55:17.

probably is a vegan now in the UK and no one is falling dead, no one

:55:18.:55:22.

getting these ailments. We don't know long-term. There has not been

:55:23.:55:32.

that many vegans for this amount of time. I am a working mum, and I

:55:33.:55:35.

think this sounds a flipping nightmare to become a bad enough to

:55:36.:55:38.

get my children to eat at the best of times, but it sounds like it

:55:39.:55:42.

takes a lot of planning, you said you had a meal plan? I am a research

:55:43.:55:48.

by nature, that is my profession as well, so definitely I am that way,

:55:49.:55:52.

but it literally to me half a day, and then I am set, I don't feel like

:55:53.:55:56.

it takes that much time in the long run. You can easily incorporated

:55:57.:56:00.

once you have read it, watched the documentary is. My denting in the

:56:01.:56:06.

long term it is a difficult choice. I am a raw vegan, so I don't eat

:56:07.:56:11.

anything cooked, probably your nightmare! Why are you a raw Tegan?

:56:12.:56:19.

Health reasons, the diggers is not necessarily healthier, so I wanted

:56:20.:56:23.

to take that next step, and it was self reflection that led me to

:56:24.:56:26.

beginners, how can I be better? Then I got focused on trying to make

:56:27.:56:31.

everyone vegan, and I realised I'm getting caught up in all the beacon

:56:32.:56:35.

junk foods and trying to change other people, I need to work my

:56:36.:56:43.

shelf, so I -- work on myself. I can only judge things on how I feel week

:56:44.:56:50.

to week. Maybe ten years down the line something changes. Life leads

:56:51.:56:54.

us to choose things day by day and how we feel at those moments. Emily,

:56:55.:56:59.

that first shop you went on as a vegan, was it a challenge? We heard

:57:00.:57:03.

there are perks out there, beacon cheese and things, but you must have

:57:04.:57:08.

spent a long time working out... ? Not really, once you have the food

:57:09.:57:12.

in, once you have made the James Comey go to the cupboards, there is

:57:13.:57:16.

chickpeas, an array of nuts and all this kind of stuff. It just makes

:57:17.:57:20.

sense. Once I had made a conscious decision, once I had figured out

:57:21.:57:23.

that everything that happens, looking into the meat and dairy

:57:24.:57:34.

industry, it clicks, da Vinci said simplification is the ultimate

:57:35.:57:36.

sophistication. When you signify your diet, you take out animal

:57:37.:57:40.

products, then you start to appreciate food more and get more

:57:41.:57:46.

creative with it. Do you think it is realistic for working parents to do

:57:47.:57:58.

this? Our role is to do this particularly when you have families,

:57:59.:58:03.

and bone health is so important, where there are clinical cases, very

:58:04.:58:10.

small children can have serious neurological, but the one thing to

:58:11.:58:15.

take is a plant -based diet, eating more plant is great. We are right

:58:16.:58:20.

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