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Hello - it's Tuesday, it's nine o'clock.

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I'm Tina Daheley in for Victoria Derbyshire,

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Our top story today, this programme has learned Greater Manchester

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Police is facing new investigations by the police watchdog over three

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separate fatal firearms incidents. You've got quite a number

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of separate fails which then brings that big picture of an organisation

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that is questionable - We'll bring you the full

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exclusive story shortly. Also on the programme -

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a jury at the inquest of a mentally ill prisoner at HMP Holloway

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who took her own life at the jail last year has identified

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serious shortcomings We'll bring you Sarah Reed's

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full story before ten. Calls continue for Channel 4 to

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cancel plans to broadcast Private video tapes of Princess Diana. We

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speak to some of those who knew her. What we have to look

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at here is what's in the national interest and historically,

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twenty years after her death this Everyone who had close involvement -

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as indeed you did - Mr Burrell and others with great

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respect we should keep quiet now, Welcome to the programme,

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we're live until 11. Throughout the programme, we'll

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bring you the latest breaking news and developing stories

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and - as always - from you on all the stories we're

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talking about this morning. A little later in the programme

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we'll hear calls for the importance of breast-feeding to be taught

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in secondary schools. The UK has one of the lowest rates

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of breast-feeding in Europe - Get in touch - use the hashtag

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Victoria LIVE and If you text, you will be charged at the standard

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network rate. British Gas has said it

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will increase the price of electricity for the first time

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in nearly four years. From September, the standard

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tariff will rise by 12.5%. The move is expected to affect more

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than three million customers. Ian Conn is the chief

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executive of British Gas's He explained why the price rise

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was necessary despite a decrease First of all, the last time we moved

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electricity prices was in January 20 14. Since then, they have been held

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flat. From that time, you are absolutely correct, wholesale prices

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have fallen. We estimate about ?36 on the average bill. That is not

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what is driving this but what is driving it is the transport and

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distribution costs, the costs of getting electricity to your home and

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government, environmental and policy costs. When you add these together,

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it goes up by approaching ?100 which is driving the increase. I should

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say that even after this increase, British Gas's electricity prices

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will be cheaper than ten other suppliers by some distance. The

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government says it is concerned that this price rise will hit people

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already on poor value tariffs and Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell

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said it was unacceptable. Our Business Editor

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Simon Jack is with us. 12.5% is a massive price rise? They

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are playing catch up with other energy suppliers who put up their

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price rises in January, they said they would freeze them back in

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December, but this is a big double-digit rise and will be a

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shock to many. In the clip from the boss of Centrica, British Gas's

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parent company, they say that wholesale prices have gone up,

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usually, but this time wholesale costs have gone down but government

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policy and renewables have added to this. There is a big emphasis on

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generating more electricity through renewables, like wind and solar

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energy, a bit more expensive than traditional sources like gas-fired

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power stations. You have two connect those sources to the actual grid

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which costs money, those costs are coming through to the customer. And

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the other thing about government policy, in terms of feeding tariffs

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where you can sell money to the grid, where you have your own

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solar panels, they take administration and they are putting

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those three. The government hit back this morning and say that government

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policies do not account to this. There is a war of words about who is

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to blame for this but, 3.4 million people will see a big price rise. On

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a prepay meter, you are already protected if you are on this as

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there is an energy cup. This will doubtlessly reignite the debate as

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to whether we need price caps, more generally in the industry. It was a

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Labour Party policy, the Tories had it in their manifesto but it was

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dropped in the Queen's speech. While other companies follow suit? Others

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went up in January this year, they may feel they have done their bit

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for this year but it is a bigger rise than we saw for many of the

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others, it's not impossible that we will see further rises, people say,

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isn't it typical that these price rises come in September with winter

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just around the corner? Thank you. If you are a British Gas customer,

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we are keen to hear your views on this story.

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Julian is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

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White House communications director Anthony Scaramucci has been fired

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after fewer than ten days in the post.

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Mr Scaramucci was dismissed last night - just hours

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after the appointment of General John Kelly -

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for what officials described as his "inappropriate" comments

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He's the third Trump appointee to leave his role in recent days.

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Despite his short tenure as White House media chief,

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Anthony "the Mooch" Scaramucci made his mark.

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It was a most difficult situation to be in.

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What is the first thing you are going to change to right

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This ship is going in the right direction.

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One of the things I cannot stand about this town

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is the backstabbing that goes on here.

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Where I grew up, in the neighbourhood I am from,

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What happens to leakers on your watch?

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Why don't you guys get together and make a decision as a team that

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If you are going to keep leaking, I am going to fire everybody.

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He knows how to operate in an elitist world and he has

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unbelievable empathy for the common struggle that is going

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on with the middle-class people and the lower-middle-class people.

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Tell me why Donald Trump is not elite?

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The business side or the politics side or the inheritance?

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Many people in the UK don't understand that.

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There are so many things about the President...

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He's a celebrity, he's a billionaire.

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You see, you are coming across a little bit elitist.

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Well, social media users have been having a lot of fun with

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The Kate Hudson film 'How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days' was just

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one of the memes that appeared on Twitter.

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The New York Post updated its 'Survivor' front page,

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while other users played around with how the news

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There was even a suggestion that "Scaramucci" could be added

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to the dictionary as a measure of time.

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Greater Manchester Police is facing new investigations by the police

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watchdog over three separate fatal firearms incidents. This programme

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learned the Independent Police Complaints Commission is examining

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new evidence in the cases dating from 2008 to 2013. Many of the

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officers involved are still serving in the force.

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And we'll have more on this story shortly.

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A man has been left with facial injuries after two people on a moped

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threw an unknown liquid at him in London's Knightsbridge.

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Police say he was taken to hospital but has since been discharged.

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A spokesperson said it was not yet known if the liquid thrown

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Pupils should be taught about the importance of breast-feeding in

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schools according to the professional body representing

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paediatricians. The Royal College of paediatrics and Child health say

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that there should be legislation for best feeding breaks and facilities

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in all companies. The UK has one of the lowest breast-feeding rates and

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they blame social stigma for the trend.

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More needs to be done to stop women being forced

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to wear high heels at work, according to scientists

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Academics looked at the the physical and social impact of wearing

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the shoes and say there's enough evidence to suggest they're bad

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Earlier this year the Government rejected calls for a ban

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On that story, an anonymous text has come in. As a previous work at an

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estate agent as an office receptionist, I was forced to wear

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high heels. It wasn't stated in the contract but doubly mentioned at

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every occasion, it was meant to make you look smarter but made it more

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difficult to move around the office on a daily basis and made me feel

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uncomfortable and a lot of the time. Keep your messages coming in. It's

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time for a look at the sport now. Los Angeles will host the Olympics

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in 2028? Yes, a whole host of cities in the next to host this and we know

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that subject to ratification, essentially a formality, we know

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that Paris in France will host the 2024 Olympics. And, LA, in 2028.

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This was the team celebrating in the LA Galaxy stadium where David

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Beckham and Steven Gerard used to play. A victory for NA, they brought

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the Olympics back to the USA for the first time since 2002, Salt Lake

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City hosted in 1984, in Los Angeles famously. It's a centenary event for

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them, 100 years since they hosted it. A win-win situation. And it's a

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memorable day for England's cricketers, especially Moeen Ali?

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Dramatic, brilliant from England's point of view, winning by 239 runs,

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taking a 2-1 series lead. One test to play in Manchester, starting on

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Friday but three men we should mention. Ben Stokes was brilliant,

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man of the match. He took two important wickets, and Toby

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Roland-Jones, on his debut, the Middlesex all-rounder essentially

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taking eight wickets for 129 runs. Moeen Ali and what a way to finish

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the Test match. The first wicket, taken by Morris and caught by

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Stokes. A replay of Rabada's wicket. And finally... The drama. Morne

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Morkel, LBW, successfully reviewed. A Test match fast-track -- the first

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Test match hat-trick since 1939 for a spinner. There are questions about

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the inconsistency of the England team. They won nine matches, and

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every time they have done that, they have gone on to lose one directly

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afterwards. Questions at Old Trafford after that decider. England

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could win 3-1. They could be levelled up too. It is incredible

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for Moeen Ali. Staying with cricket, Test match special's Geoffrey

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Boycott was on the receiving end of a wind-up? He was, look at this. A

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very special moment for him, people may remember one of England's most

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famous batsmen, special because this century came at Headingley... His

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home ground in Yorkshire and this was his 100th first-class century.

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Bat in the air, a big moment for him, celebrating with a glass of

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champagne and yesterday, Jonathan Agnew played a blinder in the Test

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match special box. This was during the Test match, when Moeen Ali took

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the final three wickets to wrap it up. He started by reading a fake

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statement from the ICC, suggesting one of these centuries would be

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taken away meaning the famous 100th century would not have come at

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Headingley. Look at this, it is brilliant. It should say no, we are

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not going to. That would become your 99 100. It is ridiculous. When was

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it? The 11th of August. If we were not doing anything special... We

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don't have anything planned, do we? 180 people at our house raising

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money for the Yorkshire air ambulance. You will have two counts

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of it. We are not cancelling it, it's an absolute mess. And a

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complete wind-up, Geoffrey Boycott! it's an absolute mess. And a

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complete wind-up, Geoffrey Is that right? You Muppet. I will get you

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for that! Brilliant! He well and truly fell

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for it! An Oscar for Jonathan Agnew, we cut that down, it is about three

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and a half minutes long, it's on the BBC sport website. He deserves that

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wind-up, he will have for dinner and it all goes ahead. I will watch a

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full version straight after the programme.

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This programme has discovered that Greater Manchester Police -

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England's second biggest police force - is facing three

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new investigations into deaths involving firearms officers.

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The three cases are very different - they involve the shooting dead

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of an unarmed man, a police officer killed in a training exercise

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and a young man who was tasered and died after being restrained

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It raises questions about the conduct of GMPs firearms

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unit at a time when Manchester has recently been hit

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Simon Cox has this exclusive report for us?

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They are the second biggest police force in England and Wales.

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It is very much a male dominated environment,

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But Greater Manchester Police's firearms unit is facing

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The police have determined what has happened with Anthony's life

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and they're dictating what is happening in my life.

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Three very different cases have ended up with three people

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being killed and left three families grieving.

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I'm tempted to say you try and move on, but you don't move on.

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We can now reveal that all of these cases are facing new investigations

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If you have got quite a number of separate fails then that brings

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out that the big picture of an organisation

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that is questionable, it looks far from good.

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We've spoken to more than a dozen former officers,

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some of whom are speaking out for the very first time.

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I thought we were getting a little bit too much

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The more aggressive you get, the more likely you are

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So what's going wrong inside Greater Manchester Police?

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He was a beautiful person inside and out.

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I'm not trying to say for one second that he was an angel.

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Anthony Granger was 36, he had two young children

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He lived in Manchester with his partner Gail.

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I remember coming back and actually sitting there

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And then he nipped out and he didn't come home.

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A man was shot dead last night in Cheshire after the car

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he was in was stopped by officers from Greater Manchester Police

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It happened in Culcheth near Warrington.

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He had been found guilty of handling stolen cars but had no

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The other men in the car were a different story.

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They did have convictions for violence and the police saw one

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It was early Saturday evening back in March 2012 when armed officers

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swooped into this car park in unmarked cars.

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They were aiming for the corner which is where Anthony Granger

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The police say that when they got here Anthony had raised

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They were worried that he was going for a gun.

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One of the officers fired a shot and killed him.

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We've talked to one of the other passengers in the car and they said

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there was no warning, they did not know it was armed

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police, the first thing they knew a shot had come

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through the windscreen and had killed Anthony.

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What is clear is that Anthony Granger didn't have a gun,

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It was half past seven, eight o'clock in the morning

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and there was somebody knocking on the door so I opened

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the door and I thought he had forgotten his keys.

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It was one of his friends and his friend just stood

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I thought, what do you mean? He's shot?

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But I didn't believe it even up until I seen

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The sleepy village of Culcheth is the last place where you would

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It's somewhere John Buttress knows well.

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He's a former Chief Inspector with Greater Manchester Police.

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He was sacked over a mortgage fraud case but later cleared by a jury.

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He claimed he was targeted after whistle-blowing about bullying.

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This was denied by Greater Manchester Police and wasn't upheld

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His primary school is a few hundred yards down there,

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The sweet shop a lot of the kids used to come to is just over there.

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So the idea of having armed police officers doing an operation here?

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So why did the police shoot Anthony Granger?

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Earlier this year a public inquiry was held into his death.

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It hasn't reported its findings yet but during the evidence we started

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Officers had been trailing Anthony Granger and his friends

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for weeks, convinced they were planning an armed robbery.

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The top detective on the operation was this man, chief

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Inspector Robert Carson, seen here in 2011.

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He admitted making a mistake on the intelligence

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about Anthony Granger and said it would not have made any difference,

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there were still known violent criminals in the car.

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John Buttress says that is not good enough.

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The person who put together the intelligence brief,

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that person didn't collect the intelligence from the existing

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police systems and that has ended up with a man shot dead

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But intelligence is only one part of the picture

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Another one was a drugs raid on a flat about that high.

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Tony Long knows what it's like to pull the trigger.

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He shot and killed three people during his 30 year career

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He says you cannot just rely on someone's criminal record.

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By definition a good criminal is one that doesn't get caught.

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So if you look at the Granger case, I understand that he had

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a criminal background, he hung around with criminals,

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certainly the vehicle that they were driving was a stolen

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car where the plates had been swapped.

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The intelligence suggested, as I understand it,

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that they were going to carry out a robbery.

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It looks now with the benefit of hindsight that they were probably

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During the public inquiry lawyers for Anthony Granger's

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family said the police had exaggerated his criminal record

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Greater Manchester Police firmly denied this, but admitted

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On the night of the operation the firearms team had been on duty

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for 14 hours when they were told to move in.

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There were 16 firearms officers, all given codenames

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Several had failed training courses and it was argued during the public

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inquiry they shouldn't have been on the operation.

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Greater Manchester Police disputed this.

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I cannot honestly see how that can happen.

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A force such as Manchester has got resilience, so there shouldn't be

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a reason why somebody involved in a firearms job who wasn't trained

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Martin Harding spent 14 years on the front line as a firearms

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officer with the Greater Manchester force and still works

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It's very much a male dominated environment,

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The nature of the role means it has to be close-knit, you had to be able

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to trust your partners and team-mates 200%.

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But has this macho environment gone too far?

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It emerged during the public inquiry the shooter,

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the officer known as Q9, had seriously injured a suspect

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It was also revealed he had been previously disciplined

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He was cleared of ten other separate assault allegations and remained

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To have that number of complaints would raise concerns.

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When you've got an officer who is in a role as a firearms

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officer with a significant number of complaints, somebody has got

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to look at that managerially and decide if that is the right

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Ultimately Q9 told the inquiry he fired the shot

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because he thought his life and those of his fellow

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Tony Long has met Q9, they're part of the tiny group

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of officers who have carried out fatal shootings.

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He seemed just like a really decent guy, just quiet, steady.

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If the perception by his body language, his movements

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is that he was going for a gun or he has got hold

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of a gun and you think that your colleagues or a member

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of the public's life is in danger, then you are duty bound to act

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on that decision and do what you have been trained to do.

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This wasn't the last serious case Q9 was involved in.

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We've discovered there was another incident where his conduct

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was called into question after Anthony Granger's death.

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All of the firearms officers involved in the Granger case

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were granted anonymity so we can't talk about this other

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The questions for Greater Manchester Police go to the top of the force.

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During the public inquiry an Assistant Chief Constable

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apologised for changing his record of the operation, leading up

:25:39.:25:41.

And a senior firearms officer had destroyed his notes when he retired

:25:42.:25:47.

There's lots of stuff you get rid of, but there are things you don't

:25:48.:25:56.

get rid of and pocketbooks and notes of that nature are not

:25:57.:25:59.

one of the things that you would get rid of.

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Anthony Granger's partner, Gail, is still grieving,

:26:04.:26:05.

But we've discovered that the police watchdog has launched

:26:06.:26:15.

a new investigation into his killing.

:26:16.:26:18.

It's the second time the Independent Police Complaints

:26:19.:26:22.

Commission has looked into this case which is incredibly rare.

:26:23.:26:24.

They told us they are examining evidence given

:26:25.:26:26.

It has been on hold and it is still on hold now.

:26:27.:26:35.

The police have determined what is happening with Anthony's

:26:36.:26:42.

life and they're dictating what's happening in my life.

:26:43.:26:44.

I don't want anybody to have to go through the pain

:26:45.:26:47.

Just what we have been through as a family.

:26:48.:27:02.

But this isn't the first time questions have been raised

:27:03.:27:04.

about firearms officers and Greater Manchester Police.

:27:05.:27:17.

We bought it for Ian for his 18th birthday as a birthday present.

:27:18.:27:21.

So when I am in it I feel quite close to being in the Beetle,

:27:22.:27:30.

We can just picture him driving it and how pleased he was when he got

:27:31.:27:40.

it in the first place, when he got it as a birthday present.

:27:41.:27:47.

Ian Terry was devoted to his family and his job as a firearms officer

:27:48.:27:50.

He was a caring person, but I think the thing

:27:51.:28:00.

that stands out most of all was his enthusiasm for life

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He absolutely adored his wife and children and he loved his job.

:28:04.:28:20.

Behind me is the Sharp Project, this is home to lots of small businesses

:28:21.:28:23.

now, but in 2008 this was a disused factory.

:28:24.:28:25.

It was the ideal location for firearms officers to do

:28:26.:28:28.

It was here that PC Ian Terry had volunteered to play

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But what was unusual on this day is they were going to use live rounds.

:28:35.:28:40.

It was a decision that would go horribly wrong.

:28:41.:28:42.

Shot dead on duty, a policeman is killed during firearms

:28:43.:28:45.

We were told that he had been involved in an accident at work

:28:46.:28:57.

Ian Terry had been shot by an officer using a shotgun loaded

:28:58.:29:09.

with a so-called rip round cartridge at

:29:10.:29:12.

It said the case was a shocking wake-up call for Greater Manchester

:29:13.:29:20.

An inquest jury in 2010 ruled that Ian Terry had been unlawfully killed

:29:21.:29:30.

and that he would've been saved if the training had

:29:31.:29:32.

The training exercise had been over engineered if you like.

:29:33.:29:39.

And really certain elements in there should not have

:29:40.:29:47.

I thought we were getting a little bit too much

:29:48.:29:54.

John Foxcroft ran the firearms training unit

:29:55.:30:10.

at Greater Manchester but left over safety

:30:11.:30:12.

I thought they were exposing some possible dangers

:30:13.:30:15.

The more aggressive you get, the more likely you are

:30:16.:30:19.

Two years after John left the unit, Ian Terry was killed.

:30:20.:30:23.

I don't think you can underestimate it really.

:30:24.:30:24.

I have seen it a great deal in 30 years of policing and I have been

:30:25.:30:28.

involved with firearms a lot, but another situation where a police

:30:29.:30:31.

officer would end up shooting another police officer by accident,

:30:32.:30:33.

The Crown Prosecution Service said there was not enough evidence

:30:34.:30:37.

to bring criminal charges against any officers.

:30:38.:30:39.

The Greater Manchester Police was fines for health

:30:40.:30:41.

In 2014 one of the officers who organised the training

:30:42.:30:48.

The man who shot Ian Terry was disciplined but still

:30:49.:30:55.

We would have liked there to have been rather more disciplinary action

:30:56.:31:00.

against the officers who ran the exercise.

:31:01.:31:05.

He was a good friend of Ian and he just could not

:31:06.:31:08.

explain why he had gone with all that was happening.

:31:09.:31:13.

He had just gone into what he would have done in a live situation.

:31:14.:31:19.

We got the impression that the firearms officers were more

:31:20.:31:21.

or less allowed just to get on and do their own thing.

:31:22.:31:29.

John Buttress has met the two police officers who organised

:31:30.:31:31.

They had borne some responsibility but everybody else involved needs

:31:32.:31:39.

to accept their portion of the blame and it simply has not happened.

:31:40.:31:43.

There were a number of officers who failed in their duty

:31:44.:31:47.

and a police officer, a very talented individual

:31:48.:31:53.

who I know personally, who is dead as a result.

:31:54.:31:55.

But Ian Terry's family think Greater Manchester Police responded well.

:31:56.:31:59.

We have been treated as well as we could

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I think there were mistakes made by just a small number

:32:03.:32:08.

Incredibly we have discovered there is another new investigation

:32:09.:32:16.

by the police watchdog, this time into the Ian Terry Case

:32:17.:32:18.

We understand it follows fresh complaints about what happened

:32:19.:32:24.

And there is another controversial case where someone was killed,

:32:25.:32:36.

again involving armed officers from Greater Manchester,

:32:37.:32:37.

Jordan Begley was 23, he worked in an ice cream

:32:38.:32:48.

factory near his home in Gorton in Manchester.

:32:49.:32:53.

A hard-working person, a family man, loved his mum

:32:54.:32:58.

and his little brother, he loved football and he loved

:32:59.:33:00.

Manchester United and loved going to all the games.

:33:01.:33:03.

That was his passion, Manchester United.

:33:04.:33:07.

But on the night of his death Jordan Begley had a drunken

:33:08.:33:10.

argument with his neighbours and was threatening

:33:11.:33:12.

to attack them with a knife, so his mum called the police.

:33:13.:33:18.

I need the police here as soon you can.

:33:19.:33:21.

Jordan, just stay there, you are not going out!

:33:22.:33:26.

A patrol officer calmed him down, then other officers

:33:27.:33:28.

Jordan Begley was tasered and restrained by armed police.

:33:29.:33:33.

He was punched while he was on the ground

:33:34.:33:35.

It was a shock because they did not need that many

:33:36.:33:43.

He would not hurt a fly, so it is like why do

:33:44.:33:48.

you need all these officers when they could have been elsewhere

:33:49.:33:51.

At his inquest, the jury found police failings played a part

:33:52.:33:58.

in his death and said he had been unlawfully killed.

:33:59.:34:01.

We were really close, he is a year older than me,

:34:02.:34:04.

so it was like the loss of a cousin and a friend as well.

:34:05.:34:10.

The police were initially cleared of any blame

:34:11.:34:14.

but after the inquest the police watchdog quashed their first report

:34:15.:34:17.

and started a new investigation which had never been done before.

:34:18.:34:21.

Someone actually believes us and we can go somewhere now

:34:22.:34:24.

Someone has got to say sorry, they have got to.

:34:25.:34:28.

Many of the officers in these cases are still serving and the new

:34:29.:34:38.

These cases pose tough questions for Greater Manchester Police

:34:39.:34:45.

At a time when they are needed more than ever - can we trust

:34:46.:34:54.

We asked Greater Manchester Police to come on the programme.

:34:55.:34:59.

Instead they sent us a brief statement.

:35:00.:35:01.

They told us, "Firearms officers in GMP and around the country

:35:02.:35:03.

volunteer for the role and do a very difficult job, quite rightly under

:35:04.:35:07.

However, as the public inquiry is still ongoing,

:35:08.:35:12.

it is not possible for us to comment more specifically at this time.

:35:13.:35:15.

We will await the findings and will consider any

:35:16.:35:17.

Sarah Reed - a prisoner with mental health issues -

:35:18.:35:38.

took her own life at HMP Holloway last year.

:35:39.:35:40.

Now a jury at her inquest has identified serious

:35:41.:35:42.

Hackers say they have stolen the script for an upcoming episode of

:35:43.:35:49.

Game Of Thrones. We bring you the latest in just a moment.

:35:50.:35:58.

He is Julian in the BBC Newsroom Live a summary of the news today.

:35:59.:36:02.

British Gas will increase its electricity prices by 12.5%

:36:03.:36:04.

Its owner Centrica said the price increase was its first

:36:05.:36:10.

The company's gas prices will be held at their current level.

:36:11.:36:14.

The Government says it's concerned the price rise will hit many people

:36:15.:36:17.

And the Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell said it was unacceptable.

:36:18.:36:26.

I think it is extortionate, at this point in time when people's wages

:36:27.:36:34.

are being cut or frozen, and people are struggling at the moment. We

:36:35.:36:37.

said from the Labour Party that we would introduce a price cap and have

:36:38.:36:44.

alternative energy supplies. They cannot control energy prices and

:36:45.:36:53.

holders over a barrel future. The White House communications director

:36:54.:36:56.

Anthony Scaramucci has been fired less than two weeks after his

:36:57.:37:00.

appointment. After his departure from Donald Trump's top team, the

:37:01.:37:05.

new chief of staff John Kelly asked him to step aside. The former banker

:37:06.:37:11.

made headlines when comments about his predecessor were made public.

:37:12.:37:14.

A Canadian couple have been described as heros

:37:15.:37:16.

for using their speedboat to put out a wildfire.

:37:17.:37:18.

Koyne Watson was on the South Thompson River with his fiance

:37:19.:37:21.

Tasha Hunt when they spotted smoke on the bank.

:37:22.:37:23.

Tasha called the authorities but Koyne had another idea.

:37:24.:37:25.

He repeatedly drove the speedboat close to shore spinning it

:37:26.:37:28.

Firefighters were able to totally put out the fire

:37:29.:37:36.

Moore at ten o'clock. You have been reacting to our top stories this

:37:37.:37:50.

morning, British gas price rises. Adel e-mailed to say that she is a

:37:51.:37:54.

single mum with two children and has two keeper has warm in winter. She

:37:55.:38:01.

is on a prepaid meter, her gas bill was ?100 and ?40 - ?50 for her

:38:02.:38:07.

electric in January, she can barely afford this, how can she cope with

:38:08.:38:11.

price rises? She pays enough. Someone anonymously has said that

:38:12.:38:18.

they will change their tariff and now save ?152 per year, no price

:38:19.:38:24.

rises for them. That was fast. Time for a look at the sport with will

:38:25.:38:25.

Perry. Los Angeles are set to host

:38:26.:38:32.

the 2028 Olympic Games, and Paris will stage

:38:33.:38:34.

the 2024 competition. Both had wanted the 2024 event -

:38:35.:38:38.

but LA Mayor Eric Garcetti says the deal they were offered "was too

:38:39.:38:41.

good to pass up". Los Angeles has staged

:38:42.:38:44.

the Olympics twice - England's cricketers now lead

:38:45.:38:46.

the series against South Africa 2-1 after winning the third Test

:38:47.:38:49.

at The Oval by 239 runs, a win sealed by a dramatic

:38:50.:38:52.

Moeen Ali hat trick. It was brilliant yesterday

:38:53.:38:58.

afternoon, the first England spinner to get a hat-trick since 1939. The

:38:59.:39:03.

fourth and final test starts at Old Trafford on Friday.

:39:04.:39:06.

Manchester United manager Jose Mourinho has made his third big

:39:07.:39:08.

He's gone back to former club Chelsea and signed Nemanja Matic,

:39:09.:39:12.

a player he signed for the Blues three years ago.

:39:13.:39:14.

He has moved to Old Trafford for a fee of ?35m, that

:39:15.:39:17.

And the World Athletics championships get underway

:39:18.:39:20.

at the weekend, but one of the star attractions on the track

:39:21.:39:23.

David Rudisha, the World and Olympic 800m champion -

:39:24.:39:27.

and world record holder, is out with a thigh injury.

:39:28.:39:29.

The Kenyan won the world title in Beijing two years ago,

:39:30.:39:32.

and broke the world record in London in 2012.

:39:33.:39:40.

I'm Tina did Healy in for Victoria. Next this morning, this is

:39:41.:39:49.

32-year-old Sarah Breed, described as a woman in tournament. She was

:39:50.:39:54.

loved and adored by her family. She had been suffering from serious

:39:55.:39:59.

mental ill-health since the death of her six-month-old baby in 2003. In

:40:00.:40:05.

2012 she was the victim of a brutal police assault where an officer was

:40:06.:40:10.

convicted. In 2014 she was controversially charged with the

:40:11.:40:13.

assault of a psychiatric nurse. She was kept in

:40:14.:40:20.

Holloway women's prison and it was there that she took her own life.

:40:21.:40:27.

Serious shortcoming is in her care have been identified and her family

:40:28.:40:31.

say that she was let down by authorities at every opportunity.

:40:32.:40:33.

Her mum Marilyn Reed joins us now along with Lee Jasper,

:40:34.:40:35.

a campaigner and spokesperson for the family.

:40:36.:40:39.

Thank you so much for coming in to talk to us this morning. Marilyn,

:40:40.:40:46.

can you tell us about Sarah, and what she was like? She was an

:40:47.:40:50.

ordinary young woman. Very much adored by her family. She

:40:51.:40:57.

experienced mental health issues after the death of her child. But,

:40:58.:41:03.

on a whole, you know, she was still someone that we still cherished and

:41:04.:41:10.

looked after. She was just a normal young woman. That had a fewer

:41:11.:41:19.

issues. How long ago did those mental health issues start? She

:41:20.:41:23.

became unwell within about six months. A couple of months after the

:41:24.:41:30.

death of her child. How much treatment was she receiving for

:41:31.:41:36.

that. Who was supporting her during this time? She wasn't really being

:41:37.:41:42.

treated. As a family, we took her to our local health care professionals.

:41:43.:41:50.

When we identified that she was struggling, with the loss of her

:41:51.:41:56.

child, she became stuck in a mode where you would try and have a

:41:57.:42:00.

conversation with her about something basic. And, she would

:42:01.:42:06.

always bring you back to this deceased baby. She would walk around

:42:07.:42:11.

with a photo that was given to her at the hospice, with the deceased

:42:12.:42:16.

child. You could not get her away from the subject. She would present

:42:17.:42:20.

the photo to you and say, have you seen my baby? How much worse did her

:42:21.:42:31.

problems get? I would say her mental health got pretty bad around about

:42:32.:42:38.

two or three years after the death of the child. Because, what happened

:42:39.:42:45.

with Sarah, is that she would not engage with any of the mental health

:42:46.:42:51.

few workers that were given to her. -- key workers that were given to

:42:52.:42:57.

her. She had a mistrust. It did not help. She would respond to GPs, and

:42:58.:43:08.

the level of care for Sarah, in the early stages, I would say was pretty

:43:09.:43:13.

poor. Partly because she would not communicate what was going on with

:43:14.:43:19.

the mental health institutions, and partly because she did not trust

:43:20.:43:27.

anyone. That mistrust was down to another incident, the problem began

:43:28.:43:31.

when she lost her child, we saw disturbing footage of her being

:43:32.:43:35.

beaten by a police officer. What impact that have on her mental

:43:36.:43:43.

health? It affected her terribly. At a time where she experienced the

:43:44.:43:52.

physical, I would call it, beating from the police officer, she had

:43:53.:43:58.

been accused of shoplifting. It was proven that she had not shoplifted.

:43:59.:44:03.

But because of how she appeared at the time, she was taken into the

:44:04.:44:08.

back of the store and accused of shoplifting. You could clearly see

:44:09.:44:12.

in the video that she is opening her bag for him to look but overall, it

:44:13.:44:20.

affected her greatly. Before what happened to her was made public, she

:44:21.:44:28.

asked the legal team looking after her then not to release that. Due to

:44:29.:44:36.

concerns for herself and her welfare, and her living child

:44:37.:44:39.

because she still has a living daughter. It really impacted her.

:44:40.:44:46.

She said she remembered feeling very frightened of white males, that were

:44:47.:44:51.

quite big. This officer was quite a big officer. And she also felt

:44:52.:44:59.

humiliated and she felt there was a change after the incident in how she

:45:00.:45:04.

was being treated by health care professionals as well. Sarah ended

:45:05.:45:10.

up in prison. How was she treated there? Umm... There are other

:45:11.:45:17.

versions of how she was treated, and the version she communicated to us

:45:18.:45:25.

while she was in their hands. What is your version based on your

:45:26.:45:28.

communications with her last time you met her in prison? The true

:45:29.:45:37.

version was that she was placed in Holloway for psychiatric reports to

:45:38.:45:44.

see if she was fit to play against an incident where she had been...

:45:45.:45:50.

Another patient had tried to sexually assault her on a mixed ward

:45:51.:45:58.

in Maudsley Hospital, and that changed but throughout her being

:45:59.:46:04.

placed in Holloway, I battled with a legal team, I tried to communicate

:46:05.:46:08.

to the judge and Holloway to find out why they felt it was necessary

:46:09.:46:15.

where an incident in a hospital... You know someone has a history of

:46:16.:46:20.

mental health, that you have decided to imprison them for a psychiatric

:46:21.:46:25.

report? Nobody could tell me why. Throughout, being in Holloway, Sarah

:46:26.:46:32.

complained in writing over phone conversations and with the few

:46:33.:46:35.

visits she had, she had her medications taken away from her that

:46:36.:46:42.

she had been on for years, she was on one of her tablets that kept her

:46:43.:46:46.

stable, it was a medication called for typing, that was removed from

:46:47.:46:52.

her more or less within a couple of weeks. But placed her in crisis.

:46:53.:46:57.

Who do you blame for Sarah's death? I'd rather not answer that at this

:46:58.:47:05.

point because I think Sarah, Sarah's death, I still have questions about

:47:06.:47:13.

her death. I will just read you a cull of messages that have come in

:47:14.:47:18.

on Twitter. "Heartbreaking listening to Sarah Reid's mother." Kelly says

:47:19.:47:23.

"We need huge change too many lives lost." How did you become involved?

:47:24.:47:29.

It was Sarah's grandmother who rang me up desperate at 11 o'clock at

:47:30.:47:33.

night saying they were desperate to get this story out and that

:47:34.:47:38.

mainstream media had initially said yes, we're interested and then

:47:39.:47:40.

dropped the story and they couldn't really understand why. I then wrote

:47:41.:47:47.

something on my blog which then resulted in more mainstream press

:47:48.:47:51.

interest and that's how I came associated with the family. What

:47:52.:47:59.

were the failings as you saw them? Failings in putting a an ill person

:48:00.:48:03.

in remand on prison. That's wrong. It should never happen to anybody

:48:04.:48:13.

with serious mental health. There was a misdiagnosis, a damning critic

:48:14.:48:19.

of the jury and brutality of a level and hellish nature that you can't

:48:20.:48:23.

believe unless you really read the Tory in detail. She descended into a

:48:24.:48:33.

hell brought on by a psychosis which was left untreated by the prison. I

:48:34.:48:38.

blame Holloway and the Criminal Justice System that seems to think

:48:39.:48:43.

it's OK to treat mentally ill people as if they're behaving badly. Was

:48:44.:48:49.

this an isolated incident or a systematic failure? Systematic

:48:50.:48:55.

because we're waiting for the Home Secretary's report into deaths in

:48:56.:49:02.

custody and there is a tragic his dre Dan Saunders who were subjected

:49:03.:49:06.

to similar treatments and misdiagnosis. Sarah's mum was denied

:49:07.:49:15.

11 visits to a person on remand. Her partner was refused visits. Her

:49:16.:49:19.

solicitor was denied visits. All the time she is descending into this

:49:20.:49:23.

hellish torment that is brought on by a psychosis. For you this isn't

:49:24.:49:27.

just about the mental health issues, but it's to do with race, gender and

:49:28.:49:35.

class. Tell me why? I think as a black woman, as a young black woman

:49:36.:49:41.

who is suffering mental health, made Sarah particularly vulnerable and

:49:42.:49:50.

acute and the kind of beat that we saw from PC James Kennedy aggravated

:49:51.:49:54.

that and we know about the disproportionate deaths of people

:49:55.:50:00.

within the Criminal Justice System. The Government announced more effort

:50:01.:50:04.

for mental health patients. Surely we should be make ago law that

:50:05.:50:07.

nobody with mental health should be in a prison. No, it's not the place.

:50:08.:50:13.

A Ministry of Justice spokesperson told us:

:50:14.:50:15.

"This is a tragic case and our thoughts are with

:50:16.:50:17.

We await the full recommendations from HM coroner and these findings

:50:18.:50:21.

will be carefully considered by the departments

:50:22.:50:23.

Princess Diana's former bodyguard and close friend

:50:24.:50:34.

tells this programme that a controversial documentary

:50:35.:50:37.

about her being shown on Channel 4 this weekend

:50:38.:50:39.

Lots of you getting in touch with this. Jess says, "Diana tapes, no

:50:40.:50:49.

purpose of making public. Those poor boys William and Harry have enough

:50:50.:50:54.

stress in their lives. The decision should be with Queen, Prince Charles

:50:55.:50:57.

and Diana's children. The tapes are their prort. They have so little

:50:58.:51:01.

privacy. Some things should be kept private." An e-mail from Pixie.

:51:02.:51:06.

Calling for the tapes not to be aired is ridiculous. People saying

:51:07.:51:12.

it will upset the boys is a lame excuse for it upsetting some of the

:51:13.:51:16.

establishment that are continually trying to remove Princess Diana's

:51:17.:51:19.

existence. William and Harry are grown men. In the interview last

:51:20.:51:25.

week, William made it clear that he wanted George and Charlotte to know

:51:26.:51:29.

they had another grandmother and she existed. This is a clear message

:51:30.:51:33.

that people should acknowledge. History cannot and should not be

:51:34.:51:35.

rewritten. More on this at 10.30am. The Royal National Lifeboat

:51:36.:51:41.

Institution or RNLI, says last year saw a rise

:51:42.:51:43.

in the number of coastal They're warning of the shock that

:51:44.:51:46.

can come with falling into cold water as we enter the deadliest

:51:47.:51:50.

month for accidents in the sea. Radio 1 Newsbeat's Rick Kelsey has

:51:51.:51:54.

been in Cornwall with the RNLI as a new national campaign tells

:51:55.:51:57.

people how to deal with the shock Tens of thousands of people

:51:58.:52:00.

will go into the water One of the most popular

:52:01.:52:09.

places is here in Newquay. So how would you describe

:52:10.:52:13.

today's conditions? Yes, it's pretty good,

:52:14.:52:14.

it's pretty solid out there. It's nice and clean

:52:15.:52:20.

which makes a change. Josie has the job of watching

:52:21.:52:22.

hundreds of surfers and swimmers I've lived pretty much

:52:23.:52:25.

on this beach all my life. I've done the Surf Life Saving Club

:52:26.:52:35.

since I was little. It's nice to keep the waters safe

:52:36.:52:38.

in somewhere you have always lived. So on a day like this

:52:39.:52:41.

what are the trickiest things that For holiday-makers they do not

:52:42.:52:45.

understand the water like we do. So they just think they can go

:52:46.:52:49.

wherever they want and sometimes when you tell them they don't

:52:50.:52:53.

like to be told what to do. Although the beach has lots of flags

:52:54.:52:56.

flying it's clear some people don't The red and yellow flags

:52:57.:53:03.

there are for swimmers, bathers and body boarders,

:53:04.:53:06.

so any soft equipment. And then we've got the black

:53:07.:53:10.

and white chequered flag which are for surfers and kayakers

:53:11.:53:12.

and stand-up paddle boarders, anything with a hard bottom,

:53:13.:53:15.

a hard fin, anything like that. We like to keep them separate

:53:16.:53:17.

because obviously we don't want a surfer to bump into any

:53:18.:53:20.

of the swimmers. Every year just under 200 people die

:53:21.:53:22.

on the UK's coastline Anthony Miller was just

:53:23.:53:25.

23 when he went into They were drinking, partying

:53:26.:53:30.

and he basically said right, He went into the sea

:53:31.:53:39.

and basically he disappeared. I really, really want people to be

:53:40.:53:46.

aware that when you are on holiday, or whether you live by the sea,

:53:47.:53:49.

and you are out drinking by all means have a good time,

:53:50.:53:52.

but do not go near the water, do not because you may not

:53:53.:53:56.

come back out alive. Even in the summer months

:53:57.:54:07.

the temperatures in UK waters do not get much above 16 Celsius

:54:08.:54:10.

which is about the same temperature that comes out

:54:11.:54:13.

of your cold water tap. And August is also the month

:54:14.:54:16.

that the guys who work in this Volunteers like 18-year-old Michaela

:54:17.:54:20.

can be in the water saving lives just ten minutes after serving

:54:21.:54:25.

customers in a pharmacy. I am actually the only girl

:54:26.:54:32.

in the crew and I'm the youngest so it can sometimes be

:54:33.:54:35.

a little bit challenging. So we're just off to

:54:36.:54:38.

a training exercise. My grandad was a coxsmith

:54:39.:54:44.

in a life-saving boat in the 1970s It's just the adrenaline

:54:45.:54:47.

and knowing that you could potentially save someone's life

:54:48.:54:51.

just changes everything. If you can save someone's

:54:52.:54:53.

life, it is worth it. And their families will always

:54:54.:54:58.

remember you for looking So one of the big things the RNLI

:54:59.:55:04.

are talking about this year So what happens when you fall

:55:05.:55:11.

into really cold water and how not If you're out around the coastline,

:55:12.:55:15.

you could be fishing on rocks and slips, trips and falls around

:55:16.:55:22.

the coast, if you end up in the water, you will be

:55:23.:55:25.

in your clothes because you were not As he goes in now, it's cold,

:55:26.:55:28.

there is shock in his body, so the natural instinct

:55:29.:55:35.

is to fight against it. Now his heart rate is running

:55:36.:55:40.

at an unusual rhythm Trainer Lewis wants people to go

:55:41.:55:42.

against their natural reactions I want you to go onto your back,

:55:43.:55:46.

arms out by your side and push your chin as high

:55:47.:55:53.

as you can towards the air and that will keep your airwaves

:55:54.:55:57.

away from the water. It's that initial part

:55:58.:55:59.

of giving yourself a minute, a minute and a half,

:56:00.:56:01.

to let your heart rate go back to a normal rhythm

:56:02.:56:04.

and get your breath back and try and compose yourself a little bit

:56:05.:56:07.

so you are not making rash decisions So I am obviously in a wet suit,

:56:08.:56:10.

but when anyone else falls in, it is the weight of your clothes

:56:11.:56:20.

that also drags you down. Obviously that initial thrashing

:56:21.:56:24.

around, the air pockets come out of the clothes

:56:25.:56:25.

and they become very heavy. So the calmer you stay, the more

:56:26.:56:29.

effective that is going to be. Shouting for help is the most

:56:30.:56:33.

important thing and obviously around the coastline if anybody sees

:56:34.:56:36.

anything, anybody in distress, Never attempt to rescue

:56:37.:56:38.

anybody yourself. You have a lot of trouble

:56:39.:56:41.

with people getting into trouble with their own bravery and the best

:56:42.:56:50.

thing to do is call 999 Despite the warnings,

:56:51.:56:53.

the amount of injuries and deaths has remained steady over the last

:56:54.:56:59.

five years and the RNLI hope with this new advice fewer people

:57:00.:57:02.

will get into trouble. The Government say they are not

:57:03.:57:18.

ruling out the option of introducing legislation to impose an energy

:57:19.:57:22.

price cap. It is after the announcement by Centrica of a 12.5%

:57:23.:57:28.

increase in electricity prices. Our political guru Norman Smith can tell

:57:29.:57:32.

us more. Good morning, Norman. We thought the Government had booted

:57:33.:57:35.

this idea of a price cap into the long grass because in the Queen's

:57:36.:57:39.

Speech the policy was abandoned and the Government just said we're going

:57:40.:57:42.

to leave it to the regulator to think about what to do next. This

:57:43.:57:46.

morning, Government sources saying no, they are ruling nothing out,

:57:47.:57:51.

including the option of legislation to impose a price cap. What does it

:57:52.:57:55.

tell us? I think it tells us that there is a likely public anger at

:57:56.:58:00.

this latest increase of 12.5%, well above the sort of pay rises people

:58:01.:58:04.

are getting at a time of rising inflation. It tells us too of the

:58:05.:58:08.

pressure they're under too from the Labour Party, which again, has

:58:09.:58:13.

committed to introduce a price cap. A word of caution though, we have

:58:14.:58:17.

been here so many times before. This argument about what to do about

:58:18.:58:21.

rising energy bills has been rumbling for years. We have had

:58:22.:58:27.

endless competition inquiries to establish whether there is some sort

:58:28.:58:31.

of cartel among the big six energy companies. Nevertheless, the

:58:32.:58:34.

Government this morning seeming to be leaving open the door of the

:58:35.:58:38.

possibility that they could legislate to impose a cap on the

:58:39.:58:43.

energy bills we pay. Norman, thank you very much indeed.

:58:44.:58:47.

Hackers claim to have stolen the script for an upcoming episode

:58:48.:58:49.

of the American television series Game of Thrones.

:58:50.:58:51.

The show's producers HBO have confirmed a "cyber incident".

:58:52.:58:53.

Newsbeat's Entertainment reporter Sinead Garvan can tell us more.

:58:54.:59:02.

What happened? Sunday night lots of American journalists received in

:59:03.:59:10.

e-mail from someone claiming to have 1.5 terabytes of data from HBO. He

:59:11.:59:17.

or she wrote, "Hi to all mankind. The greatest leak of cyberspace is

:59:18.:59:21.

happening. You are lucky to be the first pioneers to witness and

:59:22.:59:23.

download the leak. Enjoy it and spread the word. HBO is falling."

:59:24.:59:29.

They also claim to have more material that they will be releasing

:59:30.:59:35.

soon, but so far it is supposed to be a script of the next episode of

:59:36.:59:42.

Game of Thrones and unreleased episodes of Bawlers. What have HBO

:59:43.:59:48.

had to say? They have confirmed the leak and not given any specifics.

:59:49.:59:51.

They haven't said what episodes it was. They say there was a cyber

:59:52.:59:55.

incident and they are investigating into it, but some of the people who

:59:56.:59:58.

work for them have been making comments to various American outlets

:59:59.:00:02.

saying when you have got a product, that is this popular and people want

:00:03.:00:05.

to know what's happening and there is lots of secrecy around it, people

:00:06.:00:10.

are going to try and get in and it is the world we live in that this

:00:11.:00:13.

sort of thing is happening. It isn't the first time that HBO had this

:00:14.:00:17.

problem, is it? There is quite a few. You might remember Sony in

:00:18.:00:23.

2014, a load of their information was leaked, all the e-mails personal

:00:24.:00:30.

to high-profile actresses and actors, Netflix more recently,

:00:31.:00:32.

someone was asking for a ransom. They said they had ten episodes of

:00:33.:00:42.

Orange Is The New Black. Screeners were released to members of the

:00:43.:00:46.

press. They unfortunately got leaked. And that stopped any

:00:47.:00:49.

screeners of any Game of Thrones being sent out to any press since.

:00:50.:00:55.

Are the lines circulating on social media as a massive Game of Thrones

:00:56.:00:58.

it is hard enough to avoid spoilers if you haven't watched an episode

:00:59.:01:03.

immediately? People trying to catch up with because it is on America

:01:04.:01:06.

before over here and everyone writes it up. It is hard. You can't find

:01:07.:01:10.

much on the internet about the leak. Don't worry if you are worried about

:01:11.:01:15.

spoiling it. Thank you, Sinead. Now, it is time for the weather.

:01:16.:01:23.

Unsettled weather for the start of August, it's a day of sunshine and

:01:24.:01:29.

showers, many in the north and west, gradually moving eastwards through

:01:30.:01:32.

the day but in between the showers we had sunshine to look forward to.

:01:33.:01:40.

Breezy with highs of 15-24d. Shallow seas and clear. Overnight, whether

:01:41.:01:44.

France pushing in, from the south-west. Dry tomorrow morning,

:01:45.:01:49.

temperatures range between ten and 16 degrees. The rain band in the

:01:50.:01:55.

West will gradually track northwards and eastwards, strong winds with it

:01:56.:02:00.

as well. Northern parts of Scotland stay dry for Match Of The Day, the

:02:01.:02:06.

odd isolated shower, temperatures ranging from 16-20d, the worst day

:02:07.:02:12.

of the week. Sunshine and showers, by the time we get into Thursday,

:02:13.:02:16.

but at least there is brightness in between to compensate.

:02:17.:02:19.

Hello, it's Tuesday, it's ten o'clock, I'm Tina Daheley

:02:20.:02:21.

More on our top story - Greater Manchester Police faces

:02:22.:02:30.

new investigations over three fatal firearms incidents.

:02:31.:02:32.

One ex-officer criticises its "aggressive" tactics.

:02:33.:02:35.

I thought we were getting a little bit too much

:02:36.:02:37.

The more aggressive you get, the more likely you are

:02:38.:02:40.

We'll hear from current and former firearms officers

:02:41.:02:53.

Princess Diana's former bodyguard and close friend tells this

:02:54.:02:58.

programme it's important Channel 4 broadcast the private

:02:59.:02:59.

recordings of her talking about her personal life.

:03:00.:03:01.

I think it's important that the public have this

:03:02.:03:04.

information, because Diana was an iconic figure,

:03:05.:03:07.

an important person within the royal family that will go down in history.

:03:08.:03:13.

Should Channel 4 show the documentary? Loads of you getting in

:03:14.:03:19.

touch. Gary says in the name of decency and humanity, return the

:03:20.:03:24.

tapes to the family now. Get in touch with your views whether you

:03:25.:03:25.

agree or disagree. Here's Julian in the BBC Newsroom

:03:26.:03:29.

with a summary of today's news. Good morning. The government says it

:03:30.:03:49.

isn't ruling out the option of introducing legislation to impose an

:03:50.:03:53.

energy price cap after a decision by British Gas to raise electricity

:03:54.:03:57.

prices. The government said the 12.5% increase, brought in next

:03:58.:04:02.

month, would hit many people already on poor value tariffs. The owner of

:04:03.:04:06.

British gas blamed the increase and distribution costs.

:04:07.:04:08.

The White House has insisted that President Trump's new chief of staff

:04:09.:04:11.

will bring discipline to his administration,

:04:12.:04:12.

following the sacking of Anthony Scaramucci as director

:04:13.:04:14.

of communications after less than ten days in office.

:04:15.:04:16.

Mr Scaramucci was dismissed last night - just hours

:04:17.:04:20.

after the appointment of General John Kelly -

:04:21.:04:22.

for what officials described as his "inappropriate" comments

:04:23.:04:24.

A man has been left with facial injuries after two people on a moped

:04:25.:04:36.

threw an unknown liquid at him in London's Knightsbridge

:04:37.:04:38.

Police say he was taken to hospital but has since been discharged.

:04:39.:04:41.

A spokesperson said it was not yet known if the liquid thrown

:04:42.:04:44.

Doctors have called for secondary schools

:04:45.:04:48.

to teach children about the

:04:49.:04:49.

The Royal College of Paediatrics and child

:04:50.:04:56.

The college says Britain has one of the lowest rates

:04:57.:05:01.

of breast-feeding in Europe, blaming social stigma for the trend.

:05:02.:05:06.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30.

:05:07.:05:15.

Los Angeles is set to host the 2028 Olympic and Paralympic Games.

:05:16.:05:21.

LA's bid team has reached an agreement with the International

:05:22.:05:23.

Olympic Committee, which is expected to be ratified by the Los Angeles

:05:24.:05:26.

LA had originally been bidding for the 2024 Games,

:05:27.:05:33.

but that event is now set to take place in Paris.

:05:34.:05:40.

We have an Olympics ready city. What I would say is, unlike the old model

:05:41.:05:47.

where people try to fit the Olympics to the city, this is a model where

:05:48.:05:51.

we fit the city to the Olympics. We aren't building things for the

:05:52.:05:55.

Olympics and hoping our people benefit but building for our people

:05:56.:05:59.

who will benefit and we know the Olympics can take advantage of

:06:00.:06:03.

those. It's a different kind of model, not every city will be LA but

:06:04.:06:07.

we hope that we can build the city by telling folks use what you have

:06:08.:06:09.

and use it well. England's cricketers will go

:06:10.:06:13.

into Fridays fourth and final test against South Africa with a 2-1 lead

:06:14.:06:16.

after an amazing finish to the third The tourists were trying

:06:17.:06:19.

to save a draw, but two wickets in two balls from debutant

:06:20.:06:23.

Toby Roland Jones ended those hopes. The only resistance

:06:24.:06:26.

came from Dean Elgar, But it was Moeen Ali

:06:27.:06:27.

who finished South Africa off, winning the match in the perfect

:06:28.:06:31.

fashion - with a hat-trick. I think how we played was brilliant.

:06:32.:06:49.

We looked down the side and got a number of matchwinners throughout.

:06:50.:06:53.

If we can setup a game and get him into a position of strength, we can

:06:54.:06:56.

find ways of getting across the line. It's important we continue to

:06:57.:07:01.

do that but more importantly, we responded positively after last

:07:02.:07:05.

week. It was a tough week, but it shows the character of the guys in

:07:06.:07:06.

dressing room. The World Athletics championships

:07:07.:07:08.

get underway at the weekend, but one of the star attractions

:07:09.:07:10.

on the track won't be there. David Rudisha, the World

:07:11.:07:13.

and Olympic 800m champion - and world record holder,

:07:14.:07:15.

is out with a thigh injury. The Kenyan won the world title

:07:16.:07:19.

in Beijing two years ago, and broke the world record in London

:07:20.:07:22.

in 2012. This programme has learned that

:07:23.:07:26.

Greater Manchester Police is facing new investigations by the police

:07:27.:07:32.

watchdog over three separate It raises questions

:07:33.:07:34.

about the conduct of one of the UK's second biggest firearms unit

:07:35.:07:38.

at a time when Manchester has recently been hit

:07:39.:07:40.

by a terror attack. We bought you Simon Cox's

:07:41.:07:42.

full exclusive report earlier in the programme -

:07:43.:07:44.

here's a short extract. It's been on hold,

:07:45.:07:53.

and it's still on hold now. The police have determined

:07:54.:07:59.

what is happening with Anthony's life and they are dictating

:08:00.:08:01.

what is happening in my life. Anthony Grainger was 36,

:08:02.:08:08.

a father of two young children. He was shot dead in the sleepy

:08:09.:08:12.

village of Culcheth in March 2012. Even up until I seen

:08:13.:08:17.

his body in the morgue. Police believed he was

:08:18.:08:22.

planning an armed robbery. There were known violent

:08:23.:08:25.

criminals with him. There was a public inquiry

:08:26.:08:27.

into his death earlier this year. It was argued there were mistakes

:08:28.:08:37.

in the police intelligence, some of the armed officers had

:08:38.:08:39.

failed training courses and the most senior officer had

:08:40.:08:41.

changed his notes on the operation. You've got quite a number

:08:42.:08:46.

of separate fails which then brings is that big picture

:08:47.:08:49.

of an organisation During the inquiry,

:08:50.:08:51.

Greater Manchester Police said it was committed to learning lessons

:08:52.:09:00.

from the case and that no firearms officer goes to work

:09:01.:09:03.

wishing to injure or kill. The inquiry hasn't reported yet

:09:04.:09:06.

and will have to decide whether Anthony Grainger's death

:09:07.:09:09.

could have been avoided. This isn't the first time, though,

:09:10.:09:11.

questions have been asked Ian Terry was devoted to his family

:09:12.:09:13.

and his job as a firearms officer We were told that he'd been involved

:09:14.:09:23.

in an accident at work and that everyone had done

:09:24.:09:30.

all they could but they Ian Terry was killed

:09:31.:09:32.

on a training exercise at this An inquest jury ruled he would have

:09:33.:09:41.

been saved if the training had John Foxcroft ran the firearms

:09:42.:09:48.

training unit at Greater Manchester, but left over safety

:09:49.:09:55.

concerns in 2006. I thought we were getting

:09:56.:09:59.

a little bit too much The more aggressive you get,

:10:00.:10:01.

the more likely you are There were no criminal charges

:10:02.:10:07.

brought, but Greater Manchester Police was fined for health

:10:08.:10:11.

and safety offences. And there's another controversial

:10:12.:10:15.

case, that of Jordan Begley. I need the police here

:10:16.:10:19.

as quick as I can. Well, I'll get an officer

:10:20.:10:22.

there as soon as we've got one. Jordan, just stay there,

:10:23.:10:25.

you're not going out! This was the call his mum made

:10:26.:10:27.

to police after a drunken He was tasered and punched

:10:28.:10:29.

while he was on the ground. An inquest jury found that police

:10:30.:10:34.

failings played a part in his death Someone actually believes

:10:35.:10:43.

us and someone will do We can go somewhere now,

:10:44.:10:51.

we can do something about it. We've discovered that

:10:52.:10:55.

all of these cases are now facing new investigations

:10:56.:10:59.

from the police watchdog. With many of the officers

:11:00.:11:01.

still serving, it poses tough questions for Greater Manchester

:11:02.:11:03.

Police. We asked Greater Manchester Police

:11:04.:11:08.

to speak to us this morning - they said no - but told us "Firearms

:11:09.:11:16.

officers in GMP and around the country volunteer for the role

:11:17.:11:19.

and do a very difficult job, quite rightly under the highest

:11:20.:11:22.

levels if scrutiny." We can however speak to Tony Long -

:11:23.:11:29.

a former Metropolitan Police firearms officer -

:11:30.:11:32.

who shot dead three He has met the officer

:11:33.:11:34.

who shot Anthony Grainger. Shea Donald joins us, a Police

:11:35.:11:43.

Federation spokesperson on firearms, and Leroy Logan, a former

:11:44.:11:47.

superintendent in the Metropolitan Police and the founder of National

:11:48.:11:54.

Black Police Association. Tell us your reaction to the film you have

:11:55.:11:59.

seen and your concerns about Greater Manchester Police's firearms unit. I

:12:00.:12:04.

do not have any concerns. There are three tragic incidents you have

:12:05.:12:08.

spoken of, in the space of three or four years between all of them. If

:12:09.:12:12.

we talk about them individually, one was an accident in training, we have

:12:13.:12:18.

strict health and safety now, and health and safety may have been

:12:19.:12:21.

breached in that instant, I don't know, I would be lying if I said I

:12:22.:12:25.

had not been in situations where we went, that was close, because

:12:26.:12:30.

something happened that we had not anticipated. Somebody does something

:12:31.:12:36.

off the script, and causes a danger. As far as that Anthony Grainger

:12:37.:12:40.

incident is concerned, I have a great deal of sympathy for Q9, I

:12:41.:12:49.

found myself in a near identical situation, shooting someone dead

:12:50.:12:54.

even though I did not see a gun but acting upon intelligence. They were

:12:55.:12:59.

sat in a stolen car with swaps number plates. The intelligence was

:13:00.:13:03.

they were going to do a robbery. What is key for someone watching at

:13:04.:13:07.

home, they would be thinking, we know from the enquiry there was not

:13:08.:13:10.

a gun in the car, Anthony Grainger did not have a gun and nobody in the

:13:11.:13:16.

car had a gun but he was shot dead? If a police officer perceives there

:13:17.:13:21.

was a threat, three weapons were recovered inside of the car in my

:13:22.:13:25.

case but I made it clear from the outset that I made the decision to

:13:26.:13:28.

fire not having seen the guns but believing the intelligence I was

:13:29.:13:34.

given and acting on his body language. Q9 gave evidence at the

:13:35.:13:39.

enquiry that they were acting on intelligence they were given, that

:13:40.:13:42.

they were armed and were going to conduct a robbery. The suspect put

:13:43.:13:51.

his hands up and put his arms down in a way that led them to believe he

:13:52.:13:57.

was armed. If he was in a stolen car with stolen plates, they may have

:13:58.:14:00.

been carrying out reconnaissance that if they get involved in

:14:01.:14:05.

criminality of that nature, that when they are confronted by armed

:14:06.:14:09.

police, by the very nature of the intelligence they are acting on, the

:14:10.:14:13.

lives of the officers are going to take priority over the lives of the

:14:14.:14:21.

suspects, unfortunately. And Che, how often are police involved in

:14:22.:14:29.

shootings? It is extremely low, figures produced for the last 12

:14:30.:14:34.

months show we have had 15,000 operations, over 15,000 operations,

:14:35.:14:38.

and we have had ten discharges within all of those operations. It

:14:39.:14:45.

has to pay credit to the training the officers receive, and the

:14:46.:14:49.

restraint they show in dealing with incidents that potentially have far

:14:50.:14:56.

reaching repercussions, not only to the public that the officers

:14:57.:15:01.

themselves. Ten discharges in 15,000 operations over a space of 12 months

:15:02.:15:06.

is absolutely fantastic. I keep saying that our firearms officers

:15:07.:15:10.

are the best trained and most restrained in the whole of the UK.

:15:11.:15:16.

What impact does it have on officers involved in those incidents, like

:15:17.:15:19.

you? You've been in a position where you have shot dead people in your

:15:20.:15:25.

career, what impact does it have? Absolutely huge. It is bigger than

:15:26.:15:28.

only the officers but their families as well. They have husbands, wives

:15:29.:15:35.

and children, their lives are put on hold. As you mentioned earlier in

:15:36.:15:40.

your report, no officer comes to work in the firearms unit with the

:15:41.:15:44.

desire to shoot anyone. In fact, we try and resolve the situation at the

:15:45.:15:49.

lowest possible level, before we have to resort to the use of deadly

:15:50.:15:53.

force. That is only in the most extreme circumstances, where there

:15:54.:15:58.

is the immediate threat to life, perceived by the officer. But, their

:15:59.:16:04.

life is put on hold. The impact that they have taken another life dwells

:16:05.:16:09.

on them as well. You know, where thoughts have previously been around

:16:10.:16:15.

a firearm shooting, everybody goes back and it is high-fiving and tea

:16:16.:16:20.

and medals for everyone, no, it is extremely solemn and there is a lot

:16:21.:16:25.

that takes its toll on the officers. Your adrenaline may have been very

:16:26.:16:30.

high at the start of the instant but afterwards, the reality kicks in

:16:31.:16:34.

that a life has been taken and that life has a family of their own,

:16:35.:16:36.

there are victims with families. What do you think? I think, you

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know, there is a need for specialist firearms officers and to deal with

:16:50.:16:55.

the risk that they face, other firearms, other weapons to save

:16:56.:16:59.

lives, the public and even the suspects themselves, but like

:17:00.:17:04.

everything, it's how it's dealt with at the time and subsequently. I

:17:05.:17:10.

mean, just listening to the video just then and even Martin Harding

:17:11.:17:15.

who was on there, he is a Manchester officer, retired superintendent from

:17:16.:17:18.

Manchester. He thinks there is questions to be asked and again, it

:17:19.:17:25.

is around perceptions and if the fact that police are seen to be not

:17:26.:17:31.

totally open and transparent even though there is some legal con

:17:32.:17:36.

staints, but if they feel there isn't that transparency and

:17:37.:17:39.

accountability then it reinforces people's perceptions that officers

:17:40.:17:42.

are trying to hide something and invariably that's not the case,

:17:43.:17:46.

however, you know, it's trying to be, trying to get that balance and

:17:47.:17:50.

reassuring the community that those officers did the best they can in a

:17:51.:17:55.

professional manner. Do you think more armed police make people feel

:17:56.:17:59.

safer or reduce trust and confidence in the police? Well, it depends what

:18:00.:18:05.

sort of policing they have experienced. If the trust and

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confidence is low, is commence rate with heavy handed policing. To know

:18:11.:18:14.

officers are more armed can have more of a threat to them, more of a

:18:15.:18:18.

fear. Whereas certain communities where trust and confidence is high

:18:19.:18:22.

and they see armed officers they are reassured. So it is different issues

:18:23.:18:26.

for different communities. Tony, I will let you respond quickly. I

:18:27.:18:31.

accept what Leroy is saying, but the reality is all of the incidents that

:18:32.:18:37.

we're talking today, one is a training accident. Both are

:18:38.:18:39.

situations where the police are trying to deal with a violent

:18:40.:18:45.

situation. Look at the so-called controversial shootings, so the one

:18:46.:18:50.

in London, Mark duggan that caused the riots, my incident and Granger

:18:51.:18:59.

were all intelligence led. If Anthony Granger had been sat at home

:19:00.:19:05.

watching TV with his kids instead of being in a stolen car. With duggan

:19:06.:19:10.

were questions around the intelligence and not only about him,

:19:11.:19:17.

but the person... Was duggan in a car with a gun? We are out of time.

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Thank you to all three of you for your contribution.

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Calls continue for Channel 4 to cancel plans

:19:26.:19:28.

to broadcast private video tapes of Princess Diana.

:19:29.:19:34.

But one close friend believes the documentary should be shown.

:19:35.:19:37.

We will hear if him in the next half an hour. A tweet from a viewer who

:19:38.:19:46.

says, "We should see the tapes. It is against freedom of speech." Harry

:19:47.:19:51.

says, "It is time they let her lie in peace." An anonymous text, "The

:19:52.:19:57.

Princess Diana pictures, tapes or whatever, should not be shown on TV,

:19:58.:20:00.

whatever will get shown in public about her or the Royal Family is

:20:01.:20:05.

private and should stay that way. Why should the public see it only to

:20:06.:20:10.

pass judgment?" This programme won't hurt William and Harry. They know

:20:11.:20:13.

everything. The tapes have been around for years." John says,

:20:14.:20:16.

"People should be ashamed of themselves. They are just trying to

:20:17.:20:20.

make money over Diana's death. I don't know how they sleep at night."

:20:21.:20:23.

Keep your messages coming in. Doctors are calling for secondary

:20:24.:20:27.

schools to teach children about The Royal College of Paediatrics

:20:28.:20:29.

and Child Health says the UK has one of the lowest rates of the practice

:20:30.:20:34.

in Europe with just a third of babies receiving breast milk

:20:35.:20:38.

at the age of six months. Would that change if pupils

:20:39.:20:41.

were taught about it at school? With me is Judith Ellis,

:20:42.:20:46.

Chief Executive of the Royal College In our Cambridge studio

:20:47.:20:49.

is Hollie McNish. She's a mum and spoken

:20:50.:20:54.

word artist who writes about motherhood and having

:20:55.:20:57.

to breast-feed her daughter in a public toilet because of

:20:58.:20:59.

the stigma of doing so in public. Welcome to the programme. Why is

:21:00.:21:12.

this an issue of concern for you? Paediatricians are convinced and the

:21:13.:21:15.

evidence shows us that breast milk is best for babies. And it's a very

:21:16.:21:21.

big push for us to try and increase these rates. So we know as you were

:21:22.:21:24.

saying that we have only got a third of mothers at six months

:21:25.:21:27.

breast-feeding. In Norway they have 71%. So it's a real concern that our

:21:28.:21:34.

rates drop off. 75% of mothers start breast-feeding and by the end of six

:21:35.:21:39.

weeks you have got 40% and it has dropped again down to 35%. The NHS

:21:40.:21:45.

advises women to breast-feed exclusively for six months. Only 1%

:21:46.:21:52.

manage to. Why is it so low? 1% manage to breast-feed. It is 35% of

:21:53.:21:58.

mothers are breast-feeding. It is actually, you have still got some

:21:59.:22:02.

breast-feeding for six months, but that's the guidance. And what about

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the lessons in schools? Why teach 11-year-olds about breast-feeding? I

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think one of the things we were trying to look at is why is the drop

:22:14.:22:20.

off? There is a vast amount of work supporting mothers once they have

:22:21.:22:24.

had a baby and before they deliver. You need to change cultural attitude

:22:25.:22:28.

towards breast-feeding and you start with the children. And we have a

:22:29.:22:37.

really good network called And Us where we have hundreds of children

:22:38.:22:43.

we consult with. 50%, fine. The other 50%, yuck. That was their over

:22:44.:22:47.

arching statement. They need to change that. These are the parents

:22:48.:22:51.

of the future and they need to accept the importance of

:22:52.:22:54.

breast-feeding. What would you say to people who say it is not a

:22:55.:22:57.

school's place to teach children about breast-feeding? Well, it is a

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school's place to teach them about how to have a healthy life for the

:23:04.:23:08.

future. It is not just about passing exams. It will involve parents and

:23:09.:23:14.

we therefore it is important to get the health messages across. Health

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education is just being reviewed as to what's going to be delivered in

:23:19.:23:22.

school. So they already have sessions delivered in school and we

:23:23.:23:25.

want to include in the sessions breast-feeding because we see it as

:23:26.:23:31.

vital for the health of the babies. Hold I I want to bring in Holly. Why

:23:32.:23:36.

is it something you care about so passionately? I think I care about

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it so passionately now because I guess after sharing, I wrote a poem

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and I wrote it while I was sitting in a public toilet feeding my

:23:46.:23:47.

daughter because I was too embarrassed. I didn't have to go

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there, I just felt too embarrassed to sit on a cafe on my own and it

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was just the reaction from people that kind of shown me how important

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it is to people. Has been shared by millions of women who said they also

:24:01.:24:05.

often go and sit-in public toilets to feed their babies. You think what

:24:06.:24:10.

sort of place do we live in? I had no physical problems doing it. It

:24:11.:24:16.

was just psychological. Raising a kid is so hard and the idea that

:24:17.:24:22.

just to feed your baby that's such a big issue. Can I get you to read a

:24:23.:24:27.

couple of lines to give us an idea of how you were feeling and what you

:24:28.:24:30.

were trying to articulate? All right, yeah. As the pyramid cells

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pictures and female breasts banned until they are out for show. The

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more I go out, the more I can't stand it. I walk into town and feel

:24:42.:24:46.

I'm surrounded by bandits because in this country of billboards covered

:24:47.:24:52.

in tits, WH Smith top shelves out for men, why don't you complain

:24:53.:24:54.

about them then? Thank you very much. Can you talk to

:24:55.:25:00.

me more about the type of, when you say the reaction to you

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breast-feeding, what's the reaction? Well, just the reaction, I didn't

:25:04.:25:07.

put that poem online at first because I just didn't think anyone

:25:08.:25:11.

else would relate to it. I didn't think anyone else was embarrassed to

:25:12.:25:15.

do it when they were on their own. And just the fact that so many mums

:25:16.:25:19.

and dads too have said that they've kind of felt this way. They felt it

:25:20.:25:25.

was stigmatised. But also the kind of negative reaction as well. The

:25:26.:25:30.

weird comments I have had from a lot of people online comparing it to

:25:31.:25:33.

going to the toilet and comparing it to things you wouldn't do in public.

:25:34.:25:37.

A lot of people saying because it is natural doesn't mean you should be

:25:38.:25:41.

doing it in public like going to the toilet is natural and you don't do

:25:42.:25:45.

that in a restaurant. That's from lack of education, just not knowing

:25:46.:25:49.

that's something that's excreting fluids that are unhealthy, that you

:25:50.:25:52.

shouldn't be able to do this anywhere you want and that's because

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it is not normalised, it is not taught. I don't see why it is not

:25:57.:26:03.

taught. We teach the digestive system and we teach roe

:26:04.:26:11.

reproduction. New mums experience guilt for giving up or choosing not

:26:12.:26:17.

to breast-feed. Will this had to pressure and expectation that women

:26:18.:26:22.

should? The thing we say about this, it is natural to breast-feed, but it

:26:23.:26:26.

doesn't come naturally. We accept it can be very difficult and there are

:26:27.:26:30.

certain mothers who will not be able to breast-feed for medical reasons

:26:31.:26:33.

too. And there are certain babies who can't breast-feed. As far as the

:26:34.:26:37.

paediatricians are concerned because that's our organisation, we have to

:26:38.:26:41.

encourage breast-feeding. Breast milk is such a protector for babies.

:26:42.:26:45.

I mean my background, I'm a paediatric nurse and I was a

:26:46.:26:49.

paediatric ward sister for eight years on the medical ward and we

:26:50.:26:54.

didn't get babies in with gastro entro Isis and ear infections, the

:26:55.:26:58.

protection it gives these babies is vital. So as a college we have to

:26:59.:27:04.

say breast milk is the best thing, but we recognise that there are some

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mothers and some babies that it is not going to be right for. And

:27:09.:27:12.

that's where we'll leave it. Thank you very much indeed.

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The Royal National Lifeboat Institution or RNLI says last year

:27:17.:27:18.

saw a rise in the number of coastal deaths in August.

:27:19.:27:21.

They are warning of the shock that can come with falling into cold

:27:22.:27:24.

water as we enter the deadliest month for accidents in the sea.

:27:25.:27:28.

Radio 1 Newsbeats Rick Kelsey has been in Cornwall with the RNLI,

:27:29.:27:31.

who are launching a new national campaign to tell people how

:27:32.:27:34.

to deal with the shock of falling into cold water.

:27:35.:27:36.

If you're out around the coastline, you could be fishing on rocks,

:27:37.:27:39.

you know, slips, trips or falls around the coast, if you end up

:27:40.:27:42.

in the water, generally you're going to be in your clothes

:27:43.:27:45.

So as he goes in now the cold is shocking his body,

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so the natural instinct is to fight against it.

:27:51.:27:52.

Now, his heart rate is running at unusual rhythm,

:27:53.:27:54.

Trainer Lewis wants people to go against their natural reactions

:27:55.:27:59.

I want you to go on your back, arms out by your side,

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and I want you to sort of push your chin as high

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That's going to keep your airway away from the water.

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It's that initial part of giving yourself a minute,

:28:15.:28:16.

minute and a half to just let your heart rate go back

:28:17.:28:19.

to a normal rhythm and obviously get your breath back and just try

:28:20.:28:22.

and compose yourself a little bit, so we're not making rash decisions

:28:23.:28:25.

Now, last year, Camber Sands in East Sussex hit the headlines

:28:26.:28:34.

after seven people died after swimming in the sea.

:28:35.:28:36.

That came after two men lost their lives there a month before.

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One of them was 36-year-old Mohit Dupar.

:28:42.:28:43.

He was trying to rescue a man who got into trouble when waves

:28:44.:28:46.

Mohit was swimming with his 17-year-old son Ankush,

:28:47.:28:50.

We can speak to Ankush now and also Simon Crayfourd

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He was a lifeguard for more than a decade and is now an area

:28:56.:29:00.

lifesaving manager in Devon and Cornwall.

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You went to Camber Sands in east Sussex last July with your dad. It

:29:07.:29:14.

was a normal day out for you. When did you railise something was badly

:29:15.:29:19.

wrong? Yes, it was a normal day. We always went for a weekend once or

:29:20.:29:27.

twice in the month for the beach. We normally go to Bournemouth, but dad

:29:28.:29:31.

decided to go to Camber Sands and it was a really nice day that day and

:29:32.:29:40.

it was crowded. But there wasn't any flags that something was going to

:29:41.:29:44.

happen. There was a white flag, how far you can go. So we went in the

:29:45.:29:49.

water and we took some pictures as well in the water and after that,

:29:50.:29:55.

when I came back to put my phone in the bag and when I went back in the

:29:56.:30:02.

water dad was a little bit far. I thought he's just going for the

:30:03.:30:07.

swimming and then I realised he's going too far. I wear glasses and at

:30:08.:30:12.

that time I wasn't wearing so I didn't know what was going on. I

:30:13.:30:17.

asked him, "Why are you going far?" ?" He said somebody is drowning in

:30:18.:30:23.

the sea and needs help. You call for help. I called for the help and

:30:24.:30:27.

after that the tide came out and after that, I remember I just woke

:30:28.:30:30.

up in the hospital. It was a summers day in July, what

:30:31.:30:40.

was the sea like, and the waves that day? The waves were normal, it was

:30:41.:30:49.

like normal day. There wasn't anything... Any kind of... You could

:30:50.:30:59.

not see that there was any kind of... But anything could happen like

:31:00.:31:07.

this. You remember your dad shouting to you, what did he say? He said

:31:08.:31:17.

that somebody needed help, they were in trouble in the water, they needed

:31:18.:31:23.

help, he called for help and called for the coastguard. Your dad was a

:31:24.:31:28.

hero, he was trying to save someone else when he got into trouble, does

:31:29.:31:34.

that give you some comfort? Yes. Simon, let me bring you in. What

:31:35.:31:40.

more would you like to see done to stop what seems to be happening

:31:41.:31:43.

every year when it comes to summer, a rise in the number of these kinds

:31:44.:31:46.

of incidents of people getting into trouble? It is a tragic case, events

:31:47.:31:55.

like this happen year after year and that's one of the reasons why the

:31:56.:32:00.

RNLI have brought about the Respect the Water campaign to encourage

:32:01.:32:03.

people to get a better understanding of the environment they are going

:32:04.:32:08.

into, and to give them some basic skills to help themselves if they

:32:09.:32:14.

find themselves in difficulty. The first piece of advice is, if you do

:32:15.:32:19.

see somebody in difficulty in the water, call 999 and ask for the

:32:20.:32:24.

coastguard. It's 100% the right thing to do and if you find yourself

:32:25.:32:29.

in the water unexpectedly, as was just said in that piece before,

:32:30.:32:33.

laid-back and float, relax. Keep yourself calm and that will let

:32:34.:32:39.

yourself get into a state where you are in a position to make clear

:32:40.:32:46.

decisions and you can out of that situation you found yourself in. You

:32:47.:32:50.

cannot talk about the situation at Camber Sands, it is not your area

:32:51.:32:55.

but deaths there were put down to rip currents, can you explain what

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those are? That is water trying to find its own level again. When waves

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break on the shore, the water wants to find its way back out to its own

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level. It will find the path of least resistance, which forms a

:33:10.:33:13.

channel. There there is a stronger current. It pulls you out from the

:33:14.:33:19.

shore towards the deeper water, and that's when people start to panic

:33:20.:33:22.

and find themselves in difficulty. The best advice that we can give is

:33:23.:33:28.

to stay calm, do not swim against the current, actually float with it.

:33:29.:33:33.

That will eventually peter out, the current will weaken, and you will be

:33:34.:33:38.

able to find yourself in water where you can swim across the beach, and

:33:39.:33:42.

back into an area of safety without tiring yourself out and trying to

:33:43.:33:47.

fight that large body of water pushing against you in the rip

:33:48.:33:51.

current itself. Thank you to both of you for joining us this morning.

:33:52.:33:57.

Now, should Channel 4 broadcast Private video tapes of Princess

:33:58.:34:01.

Diana? A new documentary is due to air next week, showing footage

:34:02.:34:05.

previously never shown in the UK where the Princess of Wales

:34:06.:34:06.

discusses her marriage. The BBC decided to pull its own

:34:07.:34:13.

programme containing the same tapes ten years ago -

:34:14.:34:15.

and there are now calls Earlier we spoke to Ken Wharfe,

:34:16.:34:18.

who was Princess Diana's close He was in charge of the Princess's

:34:19.:34:22.

security at home and abroad, in public and in private,

:34:23.:34:26.

and became her close And Dai Davis, who is former head

:34:27.:34:28.

of Royal Protection for Met, Diana said, what do you want a

:34:29.:34:38.

drink? It was like being in a wine bar in Kensington with a friend. She

:34:39.:34:40.

said, do you know about Camilla Parker Bowles? I could not deny that

:34:41.:34:43.

I knew about it, I said yes, of course. There was a hesitation and

:34:44.:34:45.

she said well, she features most days, most hours and minutes of my

:34:46.:34:48.

life. I did not really understand at that point exactly what she meant.

:34:49.:34:52.

Of course, the days that followed, the weeks that followed, the months

:34:53.:34:56.

that followed, I knew exactly what she meant by that. She sort of

:34:57.:35:03.

carried out her in research, and found the previous Prince of Wales

:35:04.:35:08.

has had their own mistresses. Earlier, we spoke to Ken Worf,

:35:09.:35:13.

Princess Diana's close protection officer for six years. He was in

:35:14.:35:18.

charge of her security at home and abroad, in public and in private and

:35:19.:35:23.

became a close friend and confidant. As we saw, he features in the

:35:24.:35:27.

documentary and the former head of royal protection for the mat, also

:35:28.:35:31.

new Princess Diana -- the Metropolitan Police.

:35:32.:35:37.

What is your role in this upcoming film about Princess Diana? My role

:35:38.:35:43.

in the process is to support the film, that is primarily my role

:35:44.:35:48.

because I was a participant in the film as I believed in its quality

:35:49.:35:52.

and structure, and why the film needs to be made. That is my role. I

:35:53.:36:03.

was her protection officer from 1986 to 1983. I was very much around at

:36:04.:36:06.

the time she made this broadcast with Peter Settler and in 1992 and

:36:07.:36:14.

1993. And Dai Davis, you don't believe that these tapes should be

:36:15.:36:20.

broadcast, can you tell Ken why? We have had so much Diana over the last

:36:21.:36:25.

20 years, most people I think would want her to rest in peace and her

:36:26.:36:32.

children should be allowed to put this in the past. They did an

:36:33.:36:40.

documentary on their mother, I would like to remember her as she was

:36:41.:36:43.

rather than regurgitate continuously what we have been for a number of

:36:44.:36:49.

years. While I have great respect for Ken Wharfe, he was a great

:36:50.:36:53.

police and protection officer, I do not believe this is the time or

:36:54.:36:56.

place, especially 20 years before the anniversary of her tragic death.

:36:57.:37:02.

Channel 4 tell us this is a important historical source and

:37:03.:37:08.

public record? We should learn lessons of history as I say in the

:37:09.:37:13.

lectures I give. I lecture at Cardiff University's business School

:37:14.:37:16.

on ethics and the moral factors involved in ethics. Ethics is

:37:17.:37:23.

knowing what is right, and having the courage to do what is right.

:37:24.:37:27.

With great respect for Ken Wharfe and everyone else, I do not think

:37:28.:37:34.

this is right. Ken, Dai does not think this is right. He is entitled

:37:35.:37:40.

to his viewpoint, I would never deny that but what you need to look at

:37:41.:37:46.

here is a person. Diana, during her short life in 1981 right through to

:37:47.:37:54.

her abandonment of royal duties in 1993, 1994, they had a significant

:37:55.:37:58.

impact and carved the path to the future and modernisation of the

:37:59.:38:05.

monarchy. Whilst Dai has a point, what we need to look at here is what

:38:06.:38:10.

was in the national interest. Historically, 20 years after her

:38:11.:38:14.

death, this is information we should know about. Can I respect to the --

:38:15.:38:22.

respectfully say that a lot of people have cashed in on this. I

:38:23.:38:26.

only lecture in terms of what happened in Paris. That's the only

:38:27.:38:30.

time you will ever hear me talk about Diana because I've researched

:38:31.:38:34.

it over three or four years and I am passionately keen in protecting both

:38:35.:38:39.

her memory, as a decent person, and to regurgitate, as I say, some of

:38:40.:38:45.

the more fallacious factors involved in, as you know, she was going

:38:46.:38:49.

through a period of incredible hurt and mistrust. Everyone who had close

:38:50.:38:56.

involvement, as you did, Mr Burrell and others, with great respect we

:38:57.:39:00.

should keep quiet now and let her rest in peace. That's what I say.

:39:01.:39:04.

The vast majority of the public wanted. Channel 4 are doing this to

:39:05.:39:10.

make money, make no mistake. It is and people cashing in, people make

:39:11.:39:15.

programmes and these need to be financed. If you choose to see the

:39:16.:39:20.

programme next week, you will see the actual line, the continuity from

:39:21.:39:28.

Diana's marriage in 1981 through to her death in 1997, you will see how

:39:29.:39:32.

professionally the programme has been put together. It has been

:39:33.:39:36.

slated as the sex tapes but there is no mention of these at all. These

:39:37.:39:41.

tapes had been in a public domain with an intelligent and educational

:39:42.:39:45.

approach to the documentary. I support Channel 4 in this and in my

:39:46.:39:49.

view, once the programme has shown that people will generally realise

:39:50.:39:54.

how historical in context the programme is and, for that reason, I

:39:55.:39:58.

think things have to be said. There was a quote the other day saying,

:39:59.:40:03.

should it be another 30, 40 or 50 years before this is shown? It's

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irrelevant, the point is this is historical in the sense that it

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happened 20 years ago, I do not share the view that Princes William

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and Harry will be upset by this. Like all members of the Royal family

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they read the newspapers and are aware of current affairs, they will

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see it for what it is and therefore I support the view and your idea of

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cashing in, you lecture, and I lecture internationally as well

:40:32.:40:37.

about it. Spreading the message and telling people how important the

:40:38.:40:42.

roles Diana had in the 20th century, that is a continuation of it. It's

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important the public have this information as she was an iconic

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figure, important in the Royal family and will go down in history.

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To allay fears of a Royal... The documentary maker who made it.

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Equally I would say her brother and her sisters through this, and others

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closely allied to her, I would say fine, but they are not. We should

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take this into account. I would say yes, I will watch the tapes. I read

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transcripts published in 2004. I am aware of a great deal of content and

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what is actually in the film? No, I have not seen. Dai, will you watch

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the film on Sunday? I will now, as I may be asked to comment on it. But

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at the moment I stand by what I am thinking and what I am saying. You

:41:48.:41:53.

both new Princess Diana personally, how would she have reacted to what

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is happening now? She did not give her permission, what would her

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reaction be? I new Princess Diana in a way that Dai didn't, I remember

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1992 when she used a very good friend of hers, who is in the

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documentary, he talks very openly about that period. Diana desperately

:42:21.:42:23.

tried to resolve problems within her marriage. He was her biographer? The

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conduit between Diana and Andrew Morton. Diana tried desperately to

:42:35.:42:38.

resolve the complications and problems within her marriage.

:42:39.:42:45.

Achieving little or no help. People, friends of the Prince of Wales,

:42:46.:42:48.

openly went on national television to say that Diana was mad, and even

:42:49.:42:53.

friends of the Queen said that she was damaged goods. In the end, Diana

:42:54.:42:58.

had to resort to dealing with this herself. With Morton, panorama and

:42:59.:43:03.

so forth. Even now, with these tapes, she is telling somebody else

:43:04.:43:09.

the problems of her marriage. Let's understand that there is no point in

:43:10.:43:15.

hiding what happened here. Her sons know about this. I think for the

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first time ever, you know, we are having this documented in a format

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where I think people will realise and understand it. This has been in

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the public domain for so much time. There have been numerous

:43:31.:43:34.

documentaries. I myself have been on these documentaries, becoming a pop

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pundit. Is the first documentary I've ever taken part in where there

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is a line earth continuity explaining everything from the day

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of their marriage in 1981 through to her death in 1997. We had to leave

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it there but thank you very much for taking part. Loads of you getting in

:43:52.:43:55.

touch about some of these stories today. One text from Gary, the

:43:56.:43:59.

paparazzi harmed Diana's memory and even after her death, the trauma her

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son suffer continues. Repugnant, shameless and disgraceful.

:44:08.:44:08.

Loads of you getting in touch about breastfeeding following that

:44:09.:44:11.

discussion earlier about whether it should be taught

:44:12.:44:12.

One text saying their daughter is due to give birth and has made the

:44:13.:44:20.

decision not to breast-feed, she has had all their experiences with

:44:21.:44:26.

midwives making her breast-feed, she attended an event where mothers who

:44:27.:44:37.

choose to bottle feed web described as bad mothers.

:44:38.:44:43.

Many women struggle, myself included, but I have been taught

:44:44.:44:47.

about the benefits and therefore I was determined to succeed. Let's

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educate young people, the next generation and support women to

:44:52.:44:54.

persevere to give the best possible start in life for their children.

:44:55.:44:59.

Keep your messages coming in and just to let you know, if you are

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how to retune, just go to the free view Channel 100 or visit the

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website. Sky, Freesat and Virgin Media

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viewers are unaffected. I'm Tina Daheley in for

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Victoria Derbyshire. The Met Police says stealing a moped

:45:42.:45:43.

and committing robbery has become the "crime of choice" among young

:45:44.:45:46.

people in London. Last night, a man was left

:45:47.:45:48.

with facial injuries after two people on a moped threw liquid

:45:49.:45:50.

at him in Knightsbridge. Today, a group of delivery riders

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will meet the deputy mayor of London She's from the Motorcycle Crime

:45:57.:45:59.

Prevention Community which is a campaign group that's

:46:00.:46:04.

formed on Facebook. She's asked us not

:46:05.:46:06.

to use her surname. Also with us the Labour MP

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Steve McCabe says he was hit in the face with brick that had been

:46:09.:46:11.

thrown by one of two motorcyclists. Steve, that looks like a very, very

:46:12.:46:24.

nasty bruise on your face. Tell us what happened. Well, I was out with

:46:25.:46:31.

a group of volunteers. We were door knocking. This issue of motorbike

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thuggery or menace is quite a big problem in the area and a couple of

:46:37.:46:41.

them came down the road at high-speed zigzagging, doing

:46:42.:46:45.

wheelies in the middle of the road, very threatening and I shouted at

:46:46.:46:49.

them to park it in. I shouted that a couple of times and then I said I

:46:50.:46:53.

would phone the police. They took off, but they came back a few

:46:54.:46:57.

moments later. One of them got off the bike and confronted me and while

:46:58.:47:01.

I was engaged with him, the other one threw a rock or a brick at the

:47:02.:47:05.

side of my head with some force. Now, do you think there, is as the

:47:06.:47:09.

police describe it, a crime of choice? Especially after the Muslim

:47:10.:47:17.

Brotherhood attack overnight? Well, I think there is a real issues with

:47:18.:47:21.

mopeds and motorcyclists at the moment. I think basically the police

:47:22.:47:28.

are in danger of losing control of the streets. These people are

:47:29.:47:33.

threatening and intimidating hole neighbourhoods and unless we get

:47:34.:47:37.

more police on the streets and give them more resources, we're going to

:47:38.:47:41.

lose control of this situation. What are you hoping to achieve by

:47:42.:47:45.

taking this to the deputy mayor today? Good morning, Tina and thank

:47:46.:47:53.

you for the opportunity to speak to me on the behalf of our motorcycle

:47:54.:48:00.

prevention community. Motorcycle theft has become a massive problem

:48:01.:48:06.

and especially in London. People are being threatened and this affected

:48:07.:48:12.

motorcyclists, but now it is spreading to the wider community.

:48:13.:48:17.

People are using acid and there is a distinction between criminals on

:48:18.:48:21.

mopeds and motorcyclists and I think it is an important distinction to

:48:22.:48:25.

make here because motorcyclists are under threat themselves. So what do

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you want to see happen? What solves this problem? How do you reduce this

:48:30.:48:35.

number of attacks? Well, the first step I propose is currently the

:48:36.:48:39.

police's is unable to pursue the criminals and the first thing we

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need to do is find means of enabling them. So we are as suggested earlier

:48:44.:48:49.

as well, we are hoping to get more resources for the Met Police and

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both in terms of, you know financial resources, but also greater powers

:48:54.:48:59.

to pursue offenders, any kind of offenders including offenders on

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mopeds. This is... Sorry, go on. One of the ends we are trying to

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accomplish, we would like to have more adequate and secure motorcycle

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and moped parking around London, London east, a hotspot for this

:49:15.:49:20.

problem, although other areas are affected for example Bristol and

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Birmingham are heavily affected as well. We would like some help from

:49:23.:49:28.

the courts as well which is just to essentially do their job to back up

:49:29.:49:33.

the police with real solutions in the form of punishments for the

:49:34.:49:36.

crimes that these people have committed. OK, thank you very much

:49:37.:49:40.

for joining us this morning. Less than half of young men say

:49:41.:49:44.

they'd contact police if they accidentally found images

:49:45.:49:46.

of child sex abuse online - that's according to a survey

:49:47.:49:49.

for an online watchdog. The Internet Watch Foundation

:49:50.:49:51.

is encouraging people to report the material

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to its experts anonymously. They've been working

:49:54.:49:55.

with Everton Football Club to teach young footballers

:49:56.:49:57.

about the importance During the workshops,

:49:58.:49:59.

players admitted they'd received worrying messages on apps

:50:00.:50:04.

like Snapchat from men claiming to be football agents

:50:05.:50:07.

and wanting to sign them. Snapchat say the exploitation

:50:08.:50:10.

of children on its platform is "absolutely unacceptable

:50:11.:50:12.

and a complete misuse Let's talk now to Andy Wood who runs

:50:13.:50:14.

the safeguarding workshops He was there when some players said

:50:15.:50:25.

they'd been targeted by people Susie Hargreaves is Chief Executive

:50:26.:50:30.

of Internet Watch Foundation and Andy Woodward, a former

:50:31.:50:36.

Crewe Alexandra footballer who waived his anonymity to speak

:50:37.:50:38.

out about abuse in football He says the governing bodies

:50:39.:50:41.

in football have a "moral responsibility" to do something

:50:42.:50:45.

about the abuse of Suzy, why football clubs? Well, the

:50:46.:51:01.

Internet Watch Foundation is the UK hot light for reporting and removing

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online sexual abuse and to give you a sense of what that means in 2016,

:51:05.:51:10.

we removed 57,000 individual web pages of child sexual abuse and

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about 50% of the children were under ten and about 50% was rape and

:51:15.:51:18.

sexual torture. Now, what we know from all the surveys we've done is

:51:19.:51:22.

that the most likely group to stumble on child sexual abuse are

:51:23.:51:26.

young men aged 16 to 24 and they are the least likely to report it to us.

:51:27.:51:31.

So we wanted to reach young men and one of the great ways to reach them

:51:32.:51:34.

was through the power of football. And we reached out to Everton

:51:35.:51:38.

because Everton have got this fantastic track record in terms of

:51:39.:51:43.

their safeguarding and are very active in UK safer internet day and

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we went to talk to them and asked if we could run some workshops, not

:51:49.:51:52.

just looking at child sexual abuse, but looking at sexual behaviour

:51:53.:51:56.

because we want young men if they stumble across child sexual abuse,

:51:57.:52:01.

not to freeze or panic, and not to close the commuter down, but to

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report it from us so we can remove the images because they are real

:52:05.:52:07.

children who have really been sexually abused and we need to get

:52:08.:52:10.

them off the internet. You can understand why they might be

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fearful, scared, worried about doing so. How practically do they go about

:52:14.:52:19.

reporting any images they might stumble across? Yes, I do understand

:52:20.:52:23.

why. And what people need to understand is that if you have

:52:24.:52:26.

accidentally stumbled, there is no danger of you reporting it to us.

:52:27.:52:30.

You can report anonymously. We are not interested in your details. We

:52:31.:52:33.

don't follow up with you. We don't send information to the police about

:52:34.:52:41.

who reports to us. You report online Iwf.org.co.uk. Send us the web link.

:52:42.:52:45.

We will take a look at it. If it is child sexual abuse, we will work

:52:46.:52:48.

internationally to get it removed. Andy, you were there when some of

:52:49.:52:55.

the boys you worked with told us they were targeted by fake football

:52:56.:53:00.

coaches. That was over a biggercution about people pretending

:53:01.:53:02.

to be someone else online. We tried to encourage the young men to make

:53:03.:53:06.

the right choices and to actually think more carefully about the

:53:07.:53:09.

people that are online, they are talking to, their contacts, their

:53:10.:53:12.

relationships, and the fact that maybe those people they're talking

:53:13.:53:15.

to don't have their best interests at heart. And Snapchat is one

:53:16.:53:20.

platform. It could have been any platform. It could have been across

:53:21.:53:23.

any of the social media applications, the notion that we're

:53:24.:53:26.

trying to get no these young men to safeguard them is that they need to

:53:27.:53:29.

think carefully about the relationships that they develop.

:53:30.:53:32.

What, can you give me some of the example. What are the scenarios you

:53:33.:53:37.

go through with them? First of all, the first thing we say is how much

:53:38.:53:44.

we love the internet. I use the internet every day. That that's

:53:45.:53:48.

really important to get across that the internet is a good place for the

:53:49.:53:54.

most part. You start talking about introducing an idea of, you get a

:53:55.:53:59.

text, a message from a girl who says she is 16 for example. Asking for an

:54:00.:54:03.

image. What do you do? How do you know the girl is 16? What sorts of

:54:04.:54:08.

issues? What sort of red flags does the fact that the girl is 16 raise

:54:09.:54:13.

in itself? It is illegal to produce images of children under the age of

:54:14.:54:18.

18. So, it's a real understanding, it is an education of making sure

:54:19.:54:24.

these young men, these elite players are protecting themselves, their

:54:25.:54:27.

club and also this they are gaining skills to go forward as well. Why

:54:28.:54:32.

aren't more clubs involved? Well, this was a pilot. Everton were

:54:33.:54:37.

really brave and they are real leaders in the field and they

:54:38.:54:41.

stepped up and took part and the project exceeded our expectation.

:54:42.:54:45.

One thing I would say the issues Everton deals with are the same for

:54:46.:54:49.

every club, whether it is football, rugby, anything, but the issue... It

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is for young people in general. All young people are in these situations

:54:55.:54:57.

and are vulnerable to those risks. We have run it for a year. We did a

:54:58.:55:04.

detailed analysis, evaluation, we had an advisory board. We really

:55:05.:55:09.

want to reach out to the Premier League, the FA, the PFA and all the

:55:10.:55:12.

other football clubs and sports clubs and say this works. The young

:55:13.:55:16.

men got a lot from it. What we did find out was that young men will do

:55:17.:55:20.

the right thing if they have the education and support. And you have

:55:21.:55:23.

got to hand it to Everton, they really, really, got behind this

:55:24.:55:26.

project and they're dealing with this in a really, really fantastic

:55:27.:55:30.

way. I want to bring Andy into the conversation too. Good morning,

:55:31.:55:33.

Andy. Good morning. Happened when you sat down with the FA a few

:55:34.:55:40.

months ago and talked to them about how to deal with the issues we are

:55:41.:55:44.

talking about? I met Greg Clarke in November and he told me he would be

:55:45.:55:49.

supportive and on board with what my project is. I have met with the

:55:50.:55:55.

governing bodies at executive level just a couple of months ago with the

:55:56.:55:59.

holistic solution that would prove that there is a problem within all

:56:00.:56:06.

sports and that's physical, online abuse, you know, financial abuse,

:56:07.:56:11.

and I gave it to them and I have yet to hear anything back, but it's

:56:12.:56:15.

clear to see that this is an issue for vulnerable players because

:56:16.:56:18.

footballers need trust and what we've come up with is an independent

:56:19.:56:24.

body that players can go to and I think what they were just saying

:56:25.:56:28.

before is so important because footballers are vulnerable and it's

:56:29.:56:31.

something that I'm passionate about and something that we need to move

:56:32.:56:34.

forward with it and it's so important. We need to save these

:56:35.:56:41.

players and be able to, for them, to become professional footballers that

:56:42.:56:44.

they want to be, but they need trust and trust is key. Andy, what do you

:56:45.:56:50.

think needs to happen practically? Well, I've given them a full package

:56:51.:56:56.

that will protect players in the future and it's an independent body

:56:57.:56:59.

and I'm still waiting to hear from them and it's so important that we

:57:00.:57:04.

do this now and all of us collectively can make that

:57:05.:57:09.

difference for our future. Footballers are unique because when

:57:10.:57:13.

they go into that world, and if they are successful, they are earning

:57:14.:57:16.

lots of money and they get a lot of attention. So, how is your training

:57:17.:57:20.

specific, the workshops you do specific to them? Well, we do

:57:21.:57:25.

emphasise right at the start that they are not the normal child on the

:57:26.:57:30.

street. My son is 16. He would love to be a professional footballer.

:57:31.:57:34.

Unfortunately, he's not. These group of elite sportsmen are different.

:57:35.:57:38.

These are potential captains of national teams for example. So, we

:57:39.:57:42.

have to really emphasise to them that they are not the normal person.

:57:43.:57:48.

I have to say as well, the safeguarding arrangements put in

:57:49.:57:52.

place at these clubs does need to be spot on and Everton seem to have a

:57:53.:57:56.

really good grasp on that. They do seem to be a unique set of

:57:57.:58:00.

circumstances. Obviously many advantages becoming a footballer,

:58:01.:58:04.

but disadvantages and things they need to look out for as well. Thank

:58:05.:58:07.

you very much indeed. Thank you for your company today.

:58:08.:58:12.

On the programme tomorrow, we'll talk to the parents

:58:13.:58:14.

of a miracle baby who survived despite being told she'd stopped

:58:15.:58:17.

Join us tomorrow for that. Have a great day in the meantime.

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