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Hello - it's Tuesday, it's nine o'clock. | :00:07. | :00:10. | |
I'm Tina Daheley in for Victoria Derbyshire, | :00:11. | :00:11. | |
Our top story today, this programme has learned Greater Manchester | :00:12. | :00:24. | |
Police is facing new investigations by the police watchdog over three | :00:25. | :00:26. | |
separate fatal firearms incidents. You've got quite a number | :00:27. | :00:29. | |
of separate fails which then brings that big picture of an organisation | :00:30. | :00:32. | |
that is questionable - We'll bring you the full | :00:33. | :00:34. | |
exclusive story shortly. Also on the programme - | :00:35. | :00:39. | |
a jury at the inquest of a mentally ill prisoner at HMP Holloway | :00:40. | :00:42. | |
who took her own life at the jail last year has identified | :00:43. | :00:48. | |
serious shortcomings We'll bring you Sarah Reed's | :00:49. | :00:50. | |
full story before ten. Calls continue for Channel 4 to | :00:51. | :01:00. | |
cancel plans to broadcast Private video tapes of Princess Diana. We | :01:01. | :01:02. | |
speak to some of those who knew her. What we have to look | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
at here is what's in the national interest and historically, | :01:08. | :01:11. | |
twenty years after her death this Everyone who had close involvement - | :01:12. | :01:14. | |
as indeed you did - Mr Burrell and others with great | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
respect we should keep quiet now, Welcome to the programme, | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
we're live until 11. Throughout the programme, we'll | :01:23. | :01:37. | |
bring you the latest breaking news and developing stories | :01:38. | :01:44. | |
and - as always - from you on all the stories we're | :01:45. | :01:46. | |
talking about this morning. A little later in the programme | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
we'll hear calls for the importance of breast-feeding to be taught | :01:51. | :02:00. | |
in secondary schools. The UK has one of the lowest rates | :02:01. | :02:02. | |
of breast-feeding in Europe - Get in touch - use the hashtag | :02:03. | :02:09. | |
Victoria LIVE and If you text, you will be charged at the standard | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
network rate. British Gas has said it | :02:14. | :02:16. | |
will increase the price of electricity for the first time | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
in nearly four years. From September, the standard | :02:20. | :02:23. | |
tariff will rise by 12.5%. The move is expected to affect more | :02:24. | :02:25. | |
than three million customers. Ian Conn is the chief | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
executive of British Gas's He explained why the price rise | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
was necessary despite a decrease First of all, the last time we moved | :02:31. | :02:40. | |
electricity prices was in January 20 14. Since then, they have been held | :02:41. | :02:46. | |
flat. From that time, you are absolutely correct, wholesale prices | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
have fallen. We estimate about ?36 on the average bill. That is not | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
what is driving this but what is driving it is the transport and | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
distribution costs, the costs of getting electricity to your home and | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
government, environmental and policy costs. When you add these together, | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
it goes up by approaching ?100 which is driving the increase. I should | :03:10. | :03:15. | |
say that even after this increase, British Gas's electricity prices | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
will be cheaper than ten other suppliers by some distance. The | :03:20. | :03:23. | |
government says it is concerned that this price rise will hit people | :03:24. | :03:27. | |
already on poor value tariffs and Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell | :03:28. | :03:29. | |
said it was unacceptable. Our Business Editor | :03:30. | :03:31. | |
Simon Jack is with us. 12.5% is a massive price rise? They | :03:32. | :03:40. | |
are playing catch up with other energy suppliers who put up their | :03:41. | :03:43. | |
price rises in January, they said they would freeze them back in | :03:44. | :03:49. | |
December, but this is a big double-digit rise and will be a | :03:50. | :03:55. | |
shock to many. In the clip from the boss of Centrica, British Gas's | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
parent company, they say that wholesale prices have gone up, | :04:00. | :04:02. | |
usually, but this time wholesale costs have gone down but government | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
policy and renewables have added to this. There is a big emphasis on | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
generating more electricity through renewables, like wind and solar | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
energy, a bit more expensive than traditional sources like gas-fired | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
power stations. You have two connect those sources to the actual grid | :04:22. | :04:24. | |
which costs money, those costs are coming through to the customer. And | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
the other thing about government policy, in terms of feeding tariffs | :04:30. | :04:32. | |
where you can sell money to the grid, where you have your own | :04:33. | :04:45. | |
solar panels, they take administration and they are putting | :04:46. | :04:48. | |
those three. The government hit back this morning and say that government | :04:49. | :04:51. | |
policies do not account to this. There is a war of words about who is | :04:52. | :04:54. | |
to blame for this but, 3.4 million people will see a big price rise. On | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
a prepay meter, you are already protected if you are on this as | :04:58. | :05:00. | |
there is an energy cup. This will doubtlessly reignite the debate as | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
to whether we need price caps, more generally in the industry. It was a | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
Labour Party policy, the Tories had it in their manifesto but it was | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
dropped in the Queen's speech. While other companies follow suit? Others | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
went up in January this year, they may feel they have done their bit | :05:19. | :05:21. | |
for this year but it is a bigger rise than we saw for many of the | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
others, it's not impossible that we will see further rises, people say, | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
isn't it typical that these price rises come in September with winter | :05:31. | :05:36. | |
just around the corner? Thank you. If you are a British Gas customer, | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
we are keen to hear your views on this story. | :05:42. | :05:43. | |
Julian is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary | :05:44. | :05:45. | |
White House communications director Anthony Scaramucci has been fired | :05:46. | :05:49. | |
after fewer than ten days in the post. | :05:50. | :05:51. | |
Mr Scaramucci was dismissed last night - just hours | :05:52. | :05:53. | |
after the appointment of General John Kelly - | :05:54. | :05:55. | |
for what officials described as his "inappropriate" comments | :05:56. | :05:57. | |
He's the third Trump appointee to leave his role in recent days. | :05:58. | :06:01. | |
Despite his short tenure as White House media chief, | :06:02. | :06:03. | |
Anthony "the Mooch" Scaramucci made his mark. | :06:04. | :06:10. | |
It was a most difficult situation to be in. | :06:11. | :06:18. | |
What is the first thing you are going to change to right | :06:19. | :06:21. | |
This ship is going in the right direction. | :06:22. | :06:29. | |
One of the things I cannot stand about this town | :06:30. | :06:31. | |
is the backstabbing that goes on here. | :06:32. | :06:33. | |
Where I grew up, in the neighbourhood I am from, | :06:34. | :06:35. | |
What happens to leakers on your watch? | :06:36. | :07:00. | |
Why don't you guys get together and make a decision as a team that | :07:01. | :07:06. | |
If you are going to keep leaking, I am going to fire everybody. | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
He knows how to operate in an elitist world and he has | :07:12. | :07:18. | |
unbelievable empathy for the common struggle that is going | :07:19. | :07:20. | |
on with the middle-class people and the lower-middle-class people. | :07:21. | :07:31. | |
Tell me why Donald Trump is not elite? | :07:32. | :07:33. | |
The business side or the politics side or the inheritance? | :07:34. | :07:35. | |
Many people in the UK don't understand that. | :07:36. | :07:42. | |
There are so many things about the President... | :07:43. | :07:48. | |
He's a celebrity, he's a billionaire. | :07:49. | :07:49. | |
You see, you are coming across a little bit elitist. | :07:50. | :07:55. | |
Well, social media users have been having a lot of fun with | :07:56. | :07:58. | |
The Kate Hudson film 'How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days' was just | :07:59. | :08:05. | |
one of the memes that appeared on Twitter. | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
The New York Post updated its 'Survivor' front page, | :08:11. | :08:12. | |
while other users played around with how the news | :08:13. | :08:14. | |
There was even a suggestion that "Scaramucci" could be added | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
to the dictionary as a measure of time. | :08:19. | :08:25. | |
Greater Manchester Police is facing new investigations by the police | :08:26. | :08:31. | |
watchdog over three separate fatal firearms incidents. This programme | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
learned the Independent Police Complaints Commission is examining | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
new evidence in the cases dating from 2008 to 2013. Many of the | :08:41. | :08:44. | |
officers involved are still serving in the force. | :08:45. | :08:45. | |
And we'll have more on this story shortly. | :08:46. | :08:48. | |
A man has been left with facial injuries after two people on a moped | :08:49. | :08:51. | |
threw an unknown liquid at him in London's Knightsbridge. | :08:52. | :08:55. | |
Police say he was taken to hospital but has since been discharged. | :08:56. | :08:58. | |
A spokesperson said it was not yet known if the liquid thrown | :08:59. | :09:01. | |
Pupils should be taught about the importance of breast-feeding in | :09:02. | :09:15. | |
schools according to the professional body representing | :09:16. | :09:18. | |
paediatricians. The Royal College of paediatrics and Child health say | :09:19. | :09:21. | |
that there should be legislation for best feeding breaks and facilities | :09:22. | :09:27. | |
in all companies. The UK has one of the lowest breast-feeding rates and | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
they blame social stigma for the trend. | :09:33. | :09:35. | |
More needs to be done to stop women being forced | :09:36. | :09:37. | |
to wear high heels at work, according to scientists | :09:38. | :09:40. | |
Academics looked at the the physical and social impact of wearing | :09:41. | :09:43. | |
the shoes and say there's enough evidence to suggest they're bad | :09:44. | :09:46. | |
Earlier this year the Government rejected calls for a ban | :09:47. | :09:50. | |
On that story, an anonymous text has come in. As a previous work at an | :09:51. | :10:03. | |
estate agent as an office receptionist, I was forced to wear | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
high heels. It wasn't stated in the contract but doubly mentioned at | :10:08. | :10:10. | |
every occasion, it was meant to make you look smarter but made it more | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
difficult to move around the office on a daily basis and made me feel | :10:15. | :10:18. | |
uncomfortable and a lot of the time. Keep your messages coming in. It's | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
time for a look at the sport now. Los Angeles will host the Olympics | :10:24. | :10:29. | |
in 2028? Yes, a whole host of cities in the next to host this and we know | :10:30. | :10:35. | |
that subject to ratification, essentially a formality, we know | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
that Paris in France will host the 2024 Olympics. And, LA, in 2028. | :10:41. | :10:46. | |
This was the team celebrating in the LA Galaxy stadium where David | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
Beckham and Steven Gerard used to play. A victory for NA, they brought | :10:51. | :10:55. | |
the Olympics back to the USA for the first time since 2002, Salt Lake | :10:56. | :11:01. | |
City hosted in 1984, in Los Angeles famously. It's a centenary event for | :11:02. | :11:09. | |
them, 100 years since they hosted it. A win-win situation. And it's a | :11:10. | :11:16. | |
memorable day for England's cricketers, especially Moeen Ali? | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
Dramatic, brilliant from England's point of view, winning by 239 runs, | :11:21. | :11:27. | |
taking a 2-1 series lead. One test to play in Manchester, starting on | :11:28. | :11:30. | |
Friday but three men we should mention. Ben Stokes was brilliant, | :11:31. | :11:36. | |
man of the match. He took two important wickets, and Toby | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
Roland-Jones, on his debut, the Middlesex all-rounder essentially | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
taking eight wickets for 129 runs. Moeen Ali and what a way to finish | :11:45. | :11:52. | |
the Test match. The first wicket, taken by Morris and caught by | :11:53. | :11:58. | |
Stokes. A replay of Rabada's wicket. And finally... The drama. Morne | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
Morkel, LBW, successfully reviewed. A Test match fast-track -- the first | :12:04. | :12:09. | |
Test match hat-trick since 1939 for a spinner. There are questions about | :12:10. | :12:12. | |
the inconsistency of the England team. They won nine matches, and | :12:13. | :12:16. | |
every time they have done that, they have gone on to lose one directly | :12:17. | :12:21. | |
afterwards. Questions at Old Trafford after that decider. England | :12:22. | :12:29. | |
could win 3-1. They could be levelled up too. It is incredible | :12:30. | :12:34. | |
for Moeen Ali. Staying with cricket, Test match special's Geoffrey | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
Boycott was on the receiving end of a wind-up? He was, look at this. A | :12:39. | :12:46. | |
very special moment for him, people may remember one of England's most | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
famous batsmen, special because this century came at Headingley... His | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
home ground in Yorkshire and this was his 100th first-class century. | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
Bat in the air, a big moment for him, celebrating with a glass of | :13:01. | :13:06. | |
champagne and yesterday, Jonathan Agnew played a blinder in the Test | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
match special box. This was during the Test match, when Moeen Ali took | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
the final three wickets to wrap it up. He started by reading a fake | :13:15. | :13:20. | |
statement from the ICC, suggesting one of these centuries would be | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
taken away meaning the famous 100th century would not have come at | :13:26. | :13:28. | |
Headingley. Look at this, it is brilliant. It should say no, we are | :13:29. | :13:38. | |
not going to. That would become your 99 100. It is ridiculous. When was | :13:39. | :13:44. | |
it? The 11th of August. If we were not doing anything special... We | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
don't have anything planned, do we? 180 people at our house raising | :13:50. | :13:52. | |
money for the Yorkshire air ambulance. You will have two counts | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
of it. We are not cancelling it, it's an absolute mess. And a | :13:58. | :13:58. | |
complete wind-up, Geoffrey Boycott! it's an absolute mess. And a | :13:59. | :14:04. | |
complete wind-up, Geoffrey Is that right? You Muppet. I will get you | :14:05. | :14:12. | |
for that! Brilliant! He well and truly fell | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
for it! An Oscar for Jonathan Agnew, we cut that down, it is about three | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
and a half minutes long, it's on the BBC sport website. He deserves that | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
wind-up, he will have for dinner and it all goes ahead. I will watch a | :14:27. | :14:31. | |
full version straight after the programme. | :14:32. | :14:32. | |
This programme has discovered that Greater Manchester Police - | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
England's second biggest police force - is facing three | :14:38. | :14:39. | |
new investigations into deaths involving firearms officers. | :14:40. | :14:41. | |
The three cases are very different - they involve the shooting dead | :14:42. | :14:46. | |
of an unarmed man, a police officer killed in a training exercise | :14:47. | :14:49. | |
and a young man who was tasered and died after being restrained | :14:50. | :14:52. | |
It raises questions about the conduct of GMPs firearms | :14:53. | :14:58. | |
unit at a time when Manchester has recently been hit | :14:59. | :15:00. | |
Simon Cox has this exclusive report for us? | :15:01. | :15:11. | |
They are the second biggest police force in England and Wales. | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
It is very much a male dominated environment, | :15:16. | :15:17. | |
But Greater Manchester Police's firearms unit is facing | :15:18. | :15:20. | |
The police have determined what has happened with Anthony's life | :15:21. | :15:30. | |
and they're dictating what is happening in my life. | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
Three very different cases have ended up with three people | :15:35. | :15:37. | |
being killed and left three families grieving. | :15:38. | :15:42. | |
I'm tempted to say you try and move on, but you don't move on. | :15:43. | :15:45. | |
We can now reveal that all of these cases are facing new investigations | :15:46. | :15:54. | |
If you have got quite a number of separate fails then that brings | :15:55. | :15:58. | |
out that the big picture of an organisation | :15:59. | :16:00. | |
that is questionable, it looks far from good. | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
We've spoken to more than a dozen former officers, | :16:06. | :16:07. | |
some of whom are speaking out for the very first time. | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
I thought we were getting a little bit too much | :16:12. | :16:13. | |
The more aggressive you get, the more likely you are | :16:14. | :16:17. | |
So what's going wrong inside Greater Manchester Police? | :16:18. | :16:40. | |
He was a beautiful person inside and out. | :16:41. | :16:42. | |
I'm not trying to say for one second that he was an angel. | :16:43. | :16:56. | |
Anthony Granger was 36, he had two young children | :16:57. | :16:58. | |
He lived in Manchester with his partner Gail. | :16:59. | :17:08. | |
I remember coming back and actually sitting there | :17:09. | :17:10. | |
And then he nipped out and he didn't come home. | :17:11. | :17:28. | |
A man was shot dead last night in Cheshire after the car | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
he was in was stopped by officers from Greater Manchester Police | :17:33. | :17:35. | |
It happened in Culcheth near Warrington. | :17:36. | :17:37. | |
He had been found guilty of handling stolen cars but had no | :17:38. | :17:47. | |
The other men in the car were a different story. | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
They did have convictions for violence and the police saw one | :17:53. | :17:54. | |
It was early Saturday evening back in March 2012 when armed officers | :17:55. | :18:01. | |
swooped into this car park in unmarked cars. | :18:02. | :18:04. | |
They were aiming for the corner which is where Anthony Granger | :18:05. | :18:06. | |
The police say that when they got here Anthony had raised | :18:07. | :18:16. | |
They were worried that he was going for a gun. | :18:17. | :18:20. | |
One of the officers fired a shot and killed him. | :18:21. | :18:25. | |
We've talked to one of the other passengers in the car and they said | :18:26. | :18:28. | |
there was no warning, they did not know it was armed | :18:29. | :18:31. | |
police, the first thing they knew a shot had come | :18:32. | :18:33. | |
through the windscreen and had killed Anthony. | :18:34. | :18:40. | |
What is clear is that Anthony Granger didn't have a gun, | :18:41. | :18:43. | |
It was half past seven, eight o'clock in the morning | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
and there was somebody knocking on the door so I opened | :18:48. | :18:50. | |
the door and I thought he had forgotten his keys. | :18:51. | :18:52. | |
It was one of his friends and his friend just stood | :18:53. | :18:55. | |
I thought, what do you mean? He's shot? | :18:56. | :19:07. | |
But I didn't believe it even up until I seen | :19:08. | :19:24. | |
The sleepy village of Culcheth is the last place where you would | :19:25. | :19:28. | |
It's somewhere John Buttress knows well. | :19:29. | :19:39. | |
He's a former Chief Inspector with Greater Manchester Police. | :19:40. | :19:41. | |
He was sacked over a mortgage fraud case but later cleared by a jury. | :19:42. | :19:44. | |
He claimed he was targeted after whistle-blowing about bullying. | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
This was denied by Greater Manchester Police and wasn't upheld | :19:50. | :19:52. | |
His primary school is a few hundred yards down there, | :19:53. | :20:03. | |
The sweet shop a lot of the kids used to come to is just over there. | :20:04. | :20:10. | |
So the idea of having armed police officers doing an operation here? | :20:11. | :20:13. | |
So why did the police shoot Anthony Granger? | :20:14. | :20:22. | |
Earlier this year a public inquiry was held into his death. | :20:23. | :20:29. | |
It hasn't reported its findings yet but during the evidence we started | :20:30. | :20:32. | |
Officers had been trailing Anthony Granger and his friends | :20:33. | :20:38. | |
for weeks, convinced they were planning an armed robbery. | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
The top detective on the operation was this man, chief | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
Inspector Robert Carson, seen here in 2011. | :20:49. | :20:50. | |
He admitted making a mistake on the intelligence | :20:51. | :20:54. | |
about Anthony Granger and said it would not have made any difference, | :20:55. | :20:57. | |
there were still known violent criminals in the car. | :20:58. | :20:59. | |
John Buttress says that is not good enough. | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
The person who put together the intelligence brief, | :21:04. | :21:12. | |
that person didn't collect the intelligence from the existing | :21:13. | :21:14. | |
police systems and that has ended up with a man shot dead | :21:15. | :21:17. | |
But intelligence is only one part of the picture | :21:18. | :21:20. | |
Another one was a drugs raid on a flat about that high. | :21:21. | :21:38. | |
Tony Long knows what it's like to pull the trigger. | :21:39. | :21:40. | |
He shot and killed three people during his 30 year career | :21:41. | :21:44. | |
He says you cannot just rely on someone's criminal record. | :21:45. | :21:52. | |
By definition a good criminal is one that doesn't get caught. | :21:53. | :21:55. | |
So if you look at the Granger case, I understand that he had | :21:56. | :21:58. | |
a criminal background, he hung around with criminals, | :21:59. | :22:00. | |
certainly the vehicle that they were driving was a stolen | :22:01. | :22:02. | |
car where the plates had been swapped. | :22:03. | :22:04. | |
The intelligence suggested, as I understand it, | :22:05. | :22:07. | |
that they were going to carry out a robbery. | :22:08. | :22:11. | |
It looks now with the benefit of hindsight that they were probably | :22:12. | :22:13. | |
During the public inquiry lawyers for Anthony Granger's | :22:14. | :22:19. | |
family said the police had exaggerated his criminal record | :22:20. | :22:21. | |
Greater Manchester Police firmly denied this, but admitted | :22:22. | :22:26. | |
On the night of the operation the firearms team had been on duty | :22:27. | :22:40. | |
for 14 hours when they were told to move in. | :22:41. | :22:42. | |
There were 16 firearms officers, all given codenames | :22:43. | :22:44. | |
Several had failed training courses and it was argued during the public | :22:45. | :22:54. | |
inquiry they shouldn't have been on the operation. | :22:55. | :22:56. | |
Greater Manchester Police disputed this. | :22:57. | :22:59. | |
I cannot honestly see how that can happen. | :23:00. | :23:01. | |
A force such as Manchester has got resilience, so there shouldn't be | :23:02. | :23:04. | |
a reason why somebody involved in a firearms job who wasn't trained | :23:05. | :23:07. | |
Martin Harding spent 14 years on the front line as a firearms | :23:08. | :23:15. | |
officer with the Greater Manchester force and still works | :23:16. | :23:17. | |
It's very much a male dominated environment, | :23:18. | :23:21. | |
The nature of the role means it has to be close-knit, you had to be able | :23:22. | :23:30. | |
to trust your partners and team-mates 200%. | :23:31. | :23:32. | |
But has this macho environment gone too far? | :23:33. | :23:36. | |
It emerged during the public inquiry the shooter, | :23:37. | :23:41. | |
the officer known as Q9, had seriously injured a suspect | :23:42. | :23:43. | |
It was also revealed he had been previously disciplined | :23:44. | :23:47. | |
He was cleared of ten other separate assault allegations and remained | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
To have that number of complaints would raise concerns. | :23:53. | :23:59. | |
When you've got an officer who is in a role as a firearms | :24:00. | :24:02. | |
officer with a significant number of complaints, somebody has got | :24:03. | :24:05. | |
to look at that managerially and decide if that is the right | :24:06. | :24:07. | |
Ultimately Q9 told the inquiry he fired the shot | :24:08. | :24:22. | |
because he thought his life and those of his fellow | :24:23. | :24:24. | |
Tony Long has met Q9, they're part of the tiny group | :24:25. | :24:33. | |
of officers who have carried out fatal shootings. | :24:34. | :24:39. | |
He seemed just like a really decent guy, just quiet, steady. | :24:40. | :24:42. | |
If the perception by his body language, his movements | :24:43. | :24:49. | |
is that he was going for a gun or he has got hold | :24:50. | :24:52. | |
of a gun and you think that your colleagues or a member | :24:53. | :24:55. | |
of the public's life is in danger, then you are duty bound to act | :24:56. | :24:58. | |
on that decision and do what you have been trained to do. | :24:59. | :25:02. | |
This wasn't the last serious case Q9 was involved in. | :25:03. | :25:06. | |
We've discovered there was another incident where his conduct | :25:07. | :25:09. | |
was called into question after Anthony Granger's death. | :25:10. | :25:12. | |
All of the firearms officers involved in the Granger case | :25:13. | :25:19. | |
were granted anonymity so we can't talk about this other | :25:20. | :25:21. | |
The questions for Greater Manchester Police go to the top of the force. | :25:22. | :25:34. | |
During the public inquiry an Assistant Chief Constable | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
apologised for changing his record of the operation, leading up | :25:39. | :25:41. | |
And a senior firearms officer had destroyed his notes when he retired | :25:42. | :25:47. | |
There's lots of stuff you get rid of, but there are things you don't | :25:48. | :25:56. | |
get rid of and pocketbooks and notes of that nature are not | :25:57. | :25:59. | |
one of the things that you would get rid of. | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
Anthony Granger's partner, Gail, is still grieving, | :26:04. | :26:05. | |
But we've discovered that the police watchdog has launched | :26:06. | :26:15. | |
a new investigation into his killing. | :26:16. | :26:18. | |
It's the second time the Independent Police Complaints | :26:19. | :26:22. | |
Commission has looked into this case which is incredibly rare. | :26:23. | :26:24. | |
They told us they are examining evidence given | :26:25. | :26:26. | |
It has been on hold and it is still on hold now. | :26:27. | :26:35. | |
The police have determined what is happening with Anthony's | :26:36. | :26:42. | |
life and they're dictating what's happening in my life. | :26:43. | :26:44. | |
I don't want anybody to have to go through the pain | :26:45. | :26:47. | |
Just what we have been through as a family. | :26:48. | :27:02. | |
But this isn't the first time questions have been raised | :27:03. | :27:04. | |
about firearms officers and Greater Manchester Police. | :27:05. | :27:17. | |
We bought it for Ian for his 18th birthday as a birthday present. | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
So when I am in it I feel quite close to being in the Beetle, | :27:22. | :27:30. | |
We can just picture him driving it and how pleased he was when he got | :27:31. | :27:40. | |
it in the first place, when he got it as a birthday present. | :27:41. | :27:47. | |
Ian Terry was devoted to his family and his job as a firearms officer | :27:48. | :27:50. | |
He was a caring person, but I think the thing | :27:51. | :28:00. | |
that stands out most of all was his enthusiasm for life | :28:01. | :28:03. | |
He absolutely adored his wife and children and he loved his job. | :28:04. | :28:20. | |
Behind me is the Sharp Project, this is home to lots of small businesses | :28:21. | :28:23. | |
now, but in 2008 this was a disused factory. | :28:24. | :28:25. | |
It was the ideal location for firearms officers to do | :28:26. | :28:28. | |
It was here that PC Ian Terry had volunteered to play | :28:29. | :28:34. | |
But what was unusual on this day is they were going to use live rounds. | :28:35. | :28:40. | |
It was a decision that would go horribly wrong. | :28:41. | :28:42. | |
Shot dead on duty, a policeman is killed during firearms | :28:43. | :28:45. | |
We were told that he had been involved in an accident at work | :28:46. | :28:57. | |
Ian Terry had been shot by an officer using a shotgun loaded | :28:58. | :29:09. | |
with a so-called rip round cartridge at | :29:10. | :29:12. | |
It said the case was a shocking wake-up call for Greater Manchester | :29:13. | :29:20. | |
An inquest jury in 2010 ruled that Ian Terry had been unlawfully killed | :29:21. | :29:30. | |
and that he would've been saved if the training had | :29:31. | :29:32. | |
The training exercise had been over engineered if you like. | :29:33. | :29:39. | |
And really certain elements in there should not have | :29:40. | :29:47. | |
I thought we were getting a little bit too much | :29:48. | :29:54. | |
John Foxcroft ran the firearms training unit | :29:55. | :30:10. | |
at Greater Manchester but left over safety | :30:11. | :30:12. | |
I thought they were exposing some possible dangers | :30:13. | :30:15. | |
The more aggressive you get, the more likely you are | :30:16. | :30:19. | |
Two years after John left the unit, Ian Terry was killed. | :30:20. | :30:23. | |
I don't think you can underestimate it really. | :30:24. | :30:24. | |
I have seen it a great deal in 30 years of policing and I have been | :30:25. | :30:28. | |
involved with firearms a lot, but another situation where a police | :30:29. | :30:31. | |
officer would end up shooting another police officer by accident, | :30:32. | :30:33. | |
The Crown Prosecution Service said there was not enough evidence | :30:34. | :30:37. | |
to bring criminal charges against any officers. | :30:38. | :30:39. | |
The Greater Manchester Police was fines for health | :30:40. | :30:41. | |
In 2014 one of the officers who organised the training | :30:42. | :30:48. | |
The man who shot Ian Terry was disciplined but still | :30:49. | :30:55. | |
We would have liked there to have been rather more disciplinary action | :30:56. | :31:00. | |
against the officers who ran the exercise. | :31:01. | :31:05. | |
He was a good friend of Ian and he just could not | :31:06. | :31:08. | |
explain why he had gone with all that was happening. | :31:09. | :31:13. | |
He had just gone into what he would have done in a live situation. | :31:14. | :31:19. | |
We got the impression that the firearms officers were more | :31:20. | :31:21. | |
or less allowed just to get on and do their own thing. | :31:22. | :31:29. | |
John Buttress has met the two police officers who organised | :31:30. | :31:31. | |
They had borne some responsibility but everybody else involved needs | :31:32. | :31:39. | |
to accept their portion of the blame and it simply has not happened. | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
There were a number of officers who failed in their duty | :31:44. | :31:47. | |
and a police officer, a very talented individual | :31:48. | :31:53. | |
who I know personally, who is dead as a result. | :31:54. | :31:55. | |
But Ian Terry's family think Greater Manchester Police responded well. | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
We have been treated as well as we could | :32:00. | :32:02. | |
I think there were mistakes made by just a small number | :32:03. | :32:08. | |
Incredibly we have discovered there is another new investigation | :32:09. | :32:16. | |
by the police watchdog, this time into the Ian Terry Case | :32:17. | :32:18. | |
We understand it follows fresh complaints about what happened | :32:19. | :32:24. | |
And there is another controversial case where someone was killed, | :32:25. | :32:36. | |
again involving armed officers from Greater Manchester, | :32:37. | :32:37. | |
Jordan Begley was 23, he worked in an ice cream | :32:38. | :32:48. | |
factory near his home in Gorton in Manchester. | :32:49. | :32:53. | |
A hard-working person, a family man, loved his mum | :32:54. | :32:58. | |
and his little brother, he loved football and he loved | :32:59. | :33:00. | |
Manchester United and loved going to all the games. | :33:01. | :33:03. | |
That was his passion, Manchester United. | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
But on the night of his death Jordan Begley had a drunken | :33:08. | :33:10. | |
argument with his neighbours and was threatening | :33:11. | :33:12. | |
to attack them with a knife, so his mum called the police. | :33:13. | :33:18. | |
I need the police here as soon you can. | :33:19. | :33:21. | |
Jordan, just stay there, you are not going out! | :33:22. | :33:26. | |
A patrol officer calmed him down, then other officers | :33:27. | :33:28. | |
Jordan Begley was tasered and restrained by armed police. | :33:29. | :33:33. | |
He was punched while he was on the ground | :33:34. | :33:35. | |
It was a shock because they did not need that many | :33:36. | :33:43. | |
He would not hurt a fly, so it is like why do | :33:44. | :33:48. | |
you need all these officers when they could have been elsewhere | :33:49. | :33:51. | |
At his inquest, the jury found police failings played a part | :33:52. | :33:58. | |
in his death and said he had been unlawfully killed. | :33:59. | :34:01. | |
We were really close, he is a year older than me, | :34:02. | :34:04. | |
so it was like the loss of a cousin and a friend as well. | :34:05. | :34:10. | |
The police were initially cleared of any blame | :34:11. | :34:14. | |
but after the inquest the police watchdog quashed their first report | :34:15. | :34:17. | |
and started a new investigation which had never been done before. | :34:18. | :34:21. | |
Someone actually believes us and we can go somewhere now | :34:22. | :34:24. | |
Someone has got to say sorry, they have got to. | :34:25. | :34:28. | |
Many of the officers in these cases are still serving and the new | :34:29. | :34:38. | |
These cases pose tough questions for Greater Manchester Police | :34:39. | :34:45. | |
At a time when they are needed more than ever - can we trust | :34:46. | :34:54. | |
We asked Greater Manchester Police to come on the programme. | :34:55. | :34:59. | |
Instead they sent us a brief statement. | :35:00. | :35:01. | |
They told us, "Firearms officers in GMP and around the country | :35:02. | :35:03. | |
volunteer for the role and do a very difficult job, quite rightly under | :35:04. | :35:07. | |
However, as the public inquiry is still ongoing, | :35:08. | :35:12. | |
it is not possible for us to comment more specifically at this time. | :35:13. | :35:15. | |
We will await the findings and will consider any | :35:16. | :35:17. | |
Sarah Reed - a prisoner with mental health issues - | :35:18. | :35:38. | |
took her own life at HMP Holloway last year. | :35:39. | :35:40. | |
Now a jury at her inquest has identified serious | :35:41. | :35:42. | |
Hackers say they have stolen the script for an upcoming episode of | :35:43. | :35:49. | |
Game Of Thrones. We bring you the latest in just a moment. | :35:50. | :35:58. | |
He is Julian in the BBC Newsroom Live a summary of the news today. | :35:59. | :36:02. | |
British Gas will increase its electricity prices by 12.5% | :36:03. | :36:04. | |
Its owner Centrica said the price increase was its first | :36:05. | :36:10. | |
The company's gas prices will be held at their current level. | :36:11. | :36:14. | |
The Government says it's concerned the price rise will hit many people | :36:15. | :36:17. | |
And the Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell said it was unacceptable. | :36:18. | :36:26. | |
I think it is extortionate, at this point in time when people's wages | :36:27. | :36:34. | |
are being cut or frozen, and people are struggling at the moment. We | :36:35. | :36:37. | |
said from the Labour Party that we would introduce a price cap and have | :36:38. | :36:44. | |
alternative energy supplies. They cannot control energy prices and | :36:45. | :36:53. | |
holders over a barrel future. The White House communications director | :36:54. | :36:56. | |
Anthony Scaramucci has been fired less than two weeks after his | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
appointment. After his departure from Donald Trump's top team, the | :37:01. | :37:05. | |
new chief of staff John Kelly asked him to step aside. The former banker | :37:06. | :37:11. | |
made headlines when comments about his predecessor were made public. | :37:12. | :37:14. | |
A Canadian couple have been described as heros | :37:15. | :37:16. | |
for using their speedboat to put out a wildfire. | :37:17. | :37:18. | |
Koyne Watson was on the South Thompson River with his fiance | :37:19. | :37:21. | |
Tasha Hunt when they spotted smoke on the bank. | :37:22. | :37:23. | |
Tasha called the authorities but Koyne had another idea. | :37:24. | :37:25. | |
He repeatedly drove the speedboat close to shore spinning it | :37:26. | :37:28. | |
Firefighters were able to totally put out the fire | :37:29. | :37:36. | |
Moore at ten o'clock. You have been reacting to our top stories this | :37:37. | :37:50. | |
morning, British gas price rises. Adel e-mailed to say that she is a | :37:51. | :37:54. | |
single mum with two children and has two keeper has warm in winter. She | :37:55. | :38:01. | |
is on a prepaid meter, her gas bill was ?100 and ?40 - ?50 for her | :38:02. | :38:07. | |
electric in January, she can barely afford this, how can she cope with | :38:08. | :38:11. | |
price rises? She pays enough. Someone anonymously has said that | :38:12. | :38:18. | |
they will change their tariff and now save ?152 per year, no price | :38:19. | :38:24. | |
rises for them. That was fast. Time for a look at the sport with will | :38:25. | :38:25. | |
Perry. Los Angeles are set to host | :38:26. | :38:32. | |
the 2028 Olympic Games, and Paris will stage | :38:33. | :38:34. | |
the 2024 competition. Both had wanted the 2024 event - | :38:35. | :38:38. | |
but LA Mayor Eric Garcetti says the deal they were offered "was too | :38:39. | :38:41. | |
good to pass up". Los Angeles has staged | :38:42. | :38:44. | |
the Olympics twice - England's cricketers now lead | :38:45. | :38:46. | |
the series against South Africa 2-1 after winning the third Test | :38:47. | :38:49. | |
at The Oval by 239 runs, a win sealed by a dramatic | :38:50. | :38:52. | |
Moeen Ali hat trick. It was brilliant yesterday | :38:53. | :38:58. | |
afternoon, the first England spinner to get a hat-trick since 1939. The | :38:59. | :39:03. | |
fourth and final test starts at Old Trafford on Friday. | :39:04. | :39:06. | |
Manchester United manager Jose Mourinho has made his third big | :39:07. | :39:08. | |
He's gone back to former club Chelsea and signed Nemanja Matic, | :39:09. | :39:12. | |
a player he signed for the Blues three years ago. | :39:13. | :39:14. | |
He has moved to Old Trafford for a fee of ?35m, that | :39:15. | :39:17. | |
And the World Athletics championships get underway | :39:18. | :39:20. | |
at the weekend, but one of the star attractions on the track | :39:21. | :39:23. | |
David Rudisha, the World and Olympic 800m champion - | :39:24. | :39:27. | |
and world record holder, is out with a thigh injury. | :39:28. | :39:29. | |
The Kenyan won the world title in Beijing two years ago, | :39:30. | :39:32. | |
and broke the world record in London in 2012. | :39:33. | :39:40. | |
I'm Tina did Healy in for Victoria. Next this morning, this is | :39:41. | :39:49. | |
32-year-old Sarah Breed, described as a woman in tournament. She was | :39:50. | :39:54. | |
loved and adored by her family. She had been suffering from serious | :39:55. | :39:59. | |
mental ill-health since the death of her six-month-old baby in 2003. In | :40:00. | :40:05. | |
2012 she was the victim of a brutal police assault where an officer was | :40:06. | :40:10. | |
convicted. In 2014 she was controversially charged with the | :40:11. | :40:13. | |
assault of a psychiatric nurse. She was kept in | :40:14. | :40:20. | |
Holloway women's prison and it was there that she took her own life. | :40:21. | :40:27. | |
Serious shortcoming is in her care have been identified and her family | :40:28. | :40:31. | |
say that she was let down by authorities at every opportunity. | :40:32. | :40:33. | |
Her mum Marilyn Reed joins us now along with Lee Jasper, | :40:34. | :40:35. | |
a campaigner and spokesperson for the family. | :40:36. | :40:39. | |
Thank you so much for coming in to talk to us this morning. Marilyn, | :40:40. | :40:46. | |
can you tell us about Sarah, and what she was like? She was an | :40:47. | :40:50. | |
ordinary young woman. Very much adored by her family. She | :40:51. | :40:57. | |
experienced mental health issues after the death of her child. But, | :40:58. | :41:03. | |
on a whole, you know, she was still someone that we still cherished and | :41:04. | :41:10. | |
looked after. She was just a normal young woman. That had a fewer | :41:11. | :41:19. | |
issues. How long ago did those mental health issues start? She | :41:20. | :41:23. | |
became unwell within about six months. A couple of months after the | :41:24. | :41:30. | |
death of her child. How much treatment was she receiving for | :41:31. | :41:36. | |
that. Who was supporting her during this time? She wasn't really being | :41:37. | :41:42. | |
treated. As a family, we took her to our local health care professionals. | :41:43. | :41:50. | |
When we identified that she was struggling, with the loss of her | :41:51. | :41:56. | |
child, she became stuck in a mode where you would try and have a | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
conversation with her about something basic. And, she would | :42:01. | :42:06. | |
always bring you back to this deceased baby. She would walk around | :42:07. | :42:11. | |
with a photo that was given to her at the hospice, with the deceased | :42:12. | :42:16. | |
child. You could not get her away from the subject. She would present | :42:17. | :42:20. | |
the photo to you and say, have you seen my baby? How much worse did her | :42:21. | :42:31. | |
problems get? I would say her mental health got pretty bad around about | :42:32. | :42:38. | |
two or three years after the death of the child. Because, what happened | :42:39. | :42:45. | |
with Sarah, is that she would not engage with any of the mental health | :42:46. | :42:51. | |
few workers that were given to her. -- key workers that were given to | :42:52. | :42:57. | |
her. She had a mistrust. It did not help. She would respond to GPs, and | :42:58. | :43:08. | |
the level of care for Sarah, in the early stages, I would say was pretty | :43:09. | :43:13. | |
poor. Partly because she would not communicate what was going on with | :43:14. | :43:19. | |
the mental health institutions, and partly because she did not trust | :43:20. | :43:27. | |
anyone. That mistrust was down to another incident, the problem began | :43:28. | :43:31. | |
when she lost her child, we saw disturbing footage of her being | :43:32. | :43:35. | |
beaten by a police officer. What impact that have on her mental | :43:36. | :43:43. | |
health? It affected her terribly. At a time where she experienced the | :43:44. | :43:52. | |
physical, I would call it, beating from the police officer, she had | :43:53. | :43:58. | |
been accused of shoplifting. It was proven that she had not shoplifted. | :43:59. | :44:03. | |
But because of how she appeared at the time, she was taken into the | :44:04. | :44:08. | |
back of the store and accused of shoplifting. You could clearly see | :44:09. | :44:12. | |
in the video that she is opening her bag for him to look but overall, it | :44:13. | :44:20. | |
affected her greatly. Before what happened to her was made public, she | :44:21. | :44:28. | |
asked the legal team looking after her then not to release that. Due to | :44:29. | :44:36. | |
concerns for herself and her welfare, and her living child | :44:37. | :44:39. | |
because she still has a living daughter. It really impacted her. | :44:40. | :44:46. | |
She said she remembered feeling very frightened of white males, that were | :44:47. | :44:51. | |
quite big. This officer was quite a big officer. And she also felt | :44:52. | :44:59. | |
humiliated and she felt there was a change after the incident in how she | :45:00. | :45:04. | |
was being treated by health care professionals as well. Sarah ended | :45:05. | :45:10. | |
up in prison. How was she treated there? Umm... There are other | :45:11. | :45:17. | |
versions of how she was treated, and the version she communicated to us | :45:18. | :45:25. | |
while she was in their hands. What is your version based on your | :45:26. | :45:28. | |
communications with her last time you met her in prison? The true | :45:29. | :45:37. | |
version was that she was placed in Holloway for psychiatric reports to | :45:38. | :45:44. | |
see if she was fit to play against an incident where she had been... | :45:45. | :45:50. | |
Another patient had tried to sexually assault her on a mixed ward | :45:51. | :45:58. | |
in Maudsley Hospital, and that changed but throughout her being | :45:59. | :46:04. | |
placed in Holloway, I battled with a legal team, I tried to communicate | :46:05. | :46:08. | |
to the judge and Holloway to find out why they felt it was necessary | :46:09. | :46:15. | |
where an incident in a hospital... You know someone has a history of | :46:16. | :46:20. | |
mental health, that you have decided to imprison them for a psychiatric | :46:21. | :46:25. | |
report? Nobody could tell me why. Throughout, being in Holloway, Sarah | :46:26. | :46:32. | |
complained in writing over phone conversations and with the few | :46:33. | :46:35. | |
visits she had, she had her medications taken away from her that | :46:36. | :46:42. | |
she had been on for years, she was on one of her tablets that kept her | :46:43. | :46:46. | |
stable, it was a medication called for typing, that was removed from | :46:47. | :46:52. | |
her more or less within a couple of weeks. But placed her in crisis. | :46:53. | :46:57. | |
Who do you blame for Sarah's death? I'd rather not answer that at this | :46:58. | :47:05. | |
point because I think Sarah, Sarah's death, I still have questions about | :47:06. | :47:13. | |
her death. I will just read you a cull of messages that have come in | :47:14. | :47:18. | |
on Twitter. "Heartbreaking listening to Sarah Reid's mother." Kelly says | :47:19. | :47:23. | |
"We need huge change too many lives lost." How did you become involved? | :47:24. | :47:29. | |
It was Sarah's grandmother who rang me up desperate at 11 o'clock at | :47:30. | :47:33. | |
night saying they were desperate to get this story out and that | :47:34. | :47:38. | |
mainstream media had initially said yes, we're interested and then | :47:39. | :47:40. | |
dropped the story and they couldn't really understand why. I then wrote | :47:41. | :47:47. | |
something on my blog which then resulted in more mainstream press | :47:48. | :47:51. | |
interest and that's how I came associated with the family. What | :47:52. | :47:59. | |
were the failings as you saw them? Failings in putting a an ill person | :48:00. | :48:03. | |
in remand on prison. That's wrong. It should never happen to anybody | :48:04. | :48:13. | |
with serious mental health. There was a misdiagnosis, a damning critic | :48:14. | :48:19. | |
of the jury and brutality of a level and hellish nature that you can't | :48:20. | :48:23. | |
believe unless you really read the Tory in detail. She descended into a | :48:24. | :48:33. | |
hell brought on by a psychosis which was left untreated by the prison. I | :48:34. | :48:38. | |
blame Holloway and the Criminal Justice System that seems to think | :48:39. | :48:43. | |
it's OK to treat mentally ill people as if they're behaving badly. Was | :48:44. | :48:49. | |
this an isolated incident or a systematic failure? Systematic | :48:50. | :48:55. | |
because we're waiting for the Home Secretary's report into deaths in | :48:56. | :49:02. | |
custody and there is a tragic his dre Dan Saunders who were subjected | :49:03. | :49:06. | |
to similar treatments and misdiagnosis. Sarah's mum was denied | :49:07. | :49:15. | |
11 visits to a person on remand. Her partner was refused visits. Her | :49:16. | :49:19. | |
solicitor was denied visits. All the time she is descending into this | :49:20. | :49:23. | |
hellish torment that is brought on by a psychosis. For you this isn't | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
just about the mental health issues, but it's to do with race, gender and | :49:28. | :49:35. | |
class. Tell me why? I think as a black woman, as a young black woman | :49:36. | :49:41. | |
who is suffering mental health, made Sarah particularly vulnerable and | :49:42. | :49:50. | |
acute and the kind of beat that we saw from PC James Kennedy aggravated | :49:51. | :49:54. | |
that and we know about the disproportionate deaths of people | :49:55. | :50:00. | |
within the Criminal Justice System. The Government announced more effort | :50:01. | :50:04. | |
for mental health patients. Surely we should be make ago law that | :50:05. | :50:07. | |
nobody with mental health should be in a prison. No, it's not the place. | :50:08. | :50:13. | |
A Ministry of Justice spokesperson told us: | :50:14. | :50:15. | |
"This is a tragic case and our thoughts are with | :50:16. | :50:17. | |
We await the full recommendations from HM coroner and these findings | :50:18. | :50:21. | |
will be carefully considered by the departments | :50:22. | :50:23. | |
Princess Diana's former bodyguard and close friend | :50:24. | :50:34. | |
tells this programme that a controversial documentary | :50:35. | :50:37. | |
about her being shown on Channel 4 this weekend | :50:38. | :50:39. | |
Lots of you getting in touch with this. Jess says, "Diana tapes, no | :50:40. | :50:49. | |
purpose of making public. Those poor boys William and Harry have enough | :50:50. | :50:54. | |
stress in their lives. The decision should be with Queen, Prince Charles | :50:55. | :50:57. | |
and Diana's children. The tapes are their prort. They have so little | :50:58. | :51:01. | |
privacy. Some things should be kept private." An e-mail from Pixie. | :51:02. | :51:06. | |
Calling for the tapes not to be aired is ridiculous. People saying | :51:07. | :51:12. | |
it will upset the boys is a lame excuse for it upsetting some of the | :51:13. | :51:16. | |
establishment that are continually trying to remove Princess Diana's | :51:17. | :51:19. | |
existence. William and Harry are grown men. In the interview last | :51:20. | :51:25. | |
week, William made it clear that he wanted George and Charlotte to know | :51:26. | :51:29. | |
they had another grandmother and she existed. This is a clear message | :51:30. | :51:33. | |
that people should acknowledge. History cannot and should not be | :51:34. | :51:35. | |
rewritten. More on this at 10.30am. The Royal National Lifeboat | :51:36. | :51:41. | |
Institution or RNLI, says last year saw a rise | :51:42. | :51:43. | |
in the number of coastal They're warning of the shock that | :51:44. | :51:46. | |
can come with falling into cold water as we enter the deadliest | :51:47. | :51:50. | |
month for accidents in the sea. Radio 1 Newsbeat's Rick Kelsey has | :51:51. | :51:54. | |
been in Cornwall with the RNLI as a new national campaign tells | :51:55. | :51:57. | |
people how to deal with the shock Tens of thousands of people | :51:58. | :52:00. | |
will go into the water One of the most popular | :52:01. | :52:09. | |
places is here in Newquay. So how would you describe | :52:10. | :52:13. | |
today's conditions? Yes, it's pretty good, | :52:14. | :52:14. | |
it's pretty solid out there. It's nice and clean | :52:15. | :52:20. | |
which makes a change. Josie has the job of watching | :52:21. | :52:22. | |
hundreds of surfers and swimmers I've lived pretty much | :52:23. | :52:25. | |
on this beach all my life. I've done the Surf Life Saving Club | :52:26. | :52:35. | |
since I was little. It's nice to keep the waters safe | :52:36. | :52:38. | |
in somewhere you have always lived. So on a day like this | :52:39. | :52:41. | |
what are the trickiest things that For holiday-makers they do not | :52:42. | :52:45. | |
understand the water like we do. So they just think they can go | :52:46. | :52:49. | |
wherever they want and sometimes when you tell them they don't | :52:50. | :52:53. | |
like to be told what to do. Although the beach has lots of flags | :52:54. | :52:56. | |
flying it's clear some people don't The red and yellow flags | :52:57. | :53:03. | |
there are for swimmers, bathers and body boarders, | :53:04. | :53:06. | |
so any soft equipment. And then we've got the black | :53:07. | :53:10. | |
and white chequered flag which are for surfers and kayakers | :53:11. | :53:12. | |
and stand-up paddle boarders, anything with a hard bottom, | :53:13. | :53:15. | |
a hard fin, anything like that. We like to keep them separate | :53:16. | :53:17. | |
because obviously we don't want a surfer to bump into any | :53:18. | :53:20. | |
of the swimmers. Every year just under 200 people die | :53:21. | :53:22. | |
on the UK's coastline Anthony Miller was just | :53:23. | :53:25. | |
23 when he went into They were drinking, partying | :53:26. | :53:30. | |
and he basically said right, He went into the sea | :53:31. | :53:39. | |
and basically he disappeared. I really, really want people to be | :53:40. | :53:46. | |
aware that when you are on holiday, or whether you live by the sea, | :53:47. | :53:49. | |
and you are out drinking by all means have a good time, | :53:50. | :53:52. | |
but do not go near the water, do not because you may not | :53:53. | :53:56. | |
come back out alive. Even in the summer months | :53:57. | :54:07. | |
the temperatures in UK waters do not get much above 16 Celsius | :54:08. | :54:10. | |
which is about the same temperature that comes out | :54:11. | :54:13. | |
of your cold water tap. And August is also the month | :54:14. | :54:16. | |
that the guys who work in this Volunteers like 18-year-old Michaela | :54:17. | :54:20. | |
can be in the water saving lives just ten minutes after serving | :54:21. | :54:25. | |
customers in a pharmacy. I am actually the only girl | :54:26. | :54:32. | |
in the crew and I'm the youngest so it can sometimes be | :54:33. | :54:35. | |
a little bit challenging. So we're just off to | :54:36. | :54:38. | |
a training exercise. My grandad was a coxsmith | :54:39. | :54:44. | |
in a life-saving boat in the 1970s It's just the adrenaline | :54:45. | :54:47. | |
and knowing that you could potentially save someone's life | :54:48. | :54:51. | |
just changes everything. If you can save someone's | :54:52. | :54:53. | |
life, it is worth it. And their families will always | :54:54. | :54:58. | |
remember you for looking So one of the big things the RNLI | :54:59. | :55:04. | |
are talking about this year So what happens when you fall | :55:05. | :55:11. | |
into really cold water and how not If you're out around the coastline, | :55:12. | :55:15. | |
you could be fishing on rocks and slips, trips and falls around | :55:16. | :55:22. | |
the coast, if you end up in the water, you will be | :55:23. | :55:25. | |
in your clothes because you were not As he goes in now, it's cold, | :55:26. | :55:28. | |
there is shock in his body, so the natural instinct | :55:29. | :55:35. | |
is to fight against it. Now his heart rate is running | :55:36. | :55:40. | |
at an unusual rhythm Trainer Lewis wants people to go | :55:41. | :55:42. | |
against their natural reactions I want you to go onto your back, | :55:43. | :55:46. | |
arms out by your side and push your chin as high | :55:47. | :55:53. | |
as you can towards the air and that will keep your airwaves | :55:54. | :55:57. | |
away from the water. It's that initial part | :55:58. | :55:59. | |
of giving yourself a minute, a minute and a half, | :56:00. | :56:01. | |
to let your heart rate go back to a normal rhythm | :56:02. | :56:04. | |
and get your breath back and try and compose yourself a little bit | :56:05. | :56:07. | |
so you are not making rash decisions So I am obviously in a wet suit, | :56:08. | :56:10. | |
but when anyone else falls in, it is the weight of your clothes | :56:11. | :56:20. | |
that also drags you down. Obviously that initial thrashing | :56:21. | :56:24. | |
around, the air pockets come out of the clothes | :56:25. | :56:25. | |
and they become very heavy. So the calmer you stay, the more | :56:26. | :56:29. | |
effective that is going to be. Shouting for help is the most | :56:30. | :56:33. | |
important thing and obviously around the coastline if anybody sees | :56:34. | :56:36. | |
anything, anybody in distress, Never attempt to rescue | :56:37. | :56:38. | |
anybody yourself. You have a lot of trouble | :56:39. | :56:41. | |
with people getting into trouble with their own bravery and the best | :56:42. | :56:50. | |
thing to do is call 999 Despite the warnings, | :56:51. | :56:53. | |
the amount of injuries and deaths has remained steady over the last | :56:54. | :56:59. | |
five years and the RNLI hope with this new advice fewer people | :57:00. | :57:02. | |
will get into trouble. The Government say they are not | :57:03. | :57:18. | |
ruling out the option of introducing legislation to impose an energy | :57:19. | :57:22. | |
price cap. It is after the announcement by Centrica of a 12.5% | :57:23. | :57:28. | |
increase in electricity prices. Our political guru Norman Smith can tell | :57:29. | :57:32. | |
us more. Good morning, Norman. We thought the Government had booted | :57:33. | :57:35. | |
this idea of a price cap into the long grass because in the Queen's | :57:36. | :57:39. | |
Speech the policy was abandoned and the Government just said we're going | :57:40. | :57:42. | |
to leave it to the regulator to think about what to do next. This | :57:43. | :57:46. | |
morning, Government sources saying no, they are ruling nothing out, | :57:47. | :57:51. | |
including the option of legislation to impose a price cap. What does it | :57:52. | :57:55. | |
tell us? I think it tells us that there is a likely public anger at | :57:56. | :58:00. | |
this latest increase of 12.5%, well above the sort of pay rises people | :58:01. | :58:04. | |
are getting at a time of rising inflation. It tells us too of the | :58:05. | :58:08. | |
pressure they're under too from the Labour Party, which again, has | :58:09. | :58:13. | |
committed to introduce a price cap. A word of caution though, we have | :58:14. | :58:17. | |
been here so many times before. This argument about what to do about | :58:18. | :58:21. | |
rising energy bills has been rumbling for years. We have had | :58:22. | :58:27. | |
endless competition inquiries to establish whether there is some sort | :58:28. | :58:31. | |
of cartel among the big six energy companies. Nevertheless, the | :58:32. | :58:34. | |
Government this morning seeming to be leaving open the door of the | :58:35. | :58:38. | |
possibility that they could legislate to impose a cap on the | :58:39. | :58:43. | |
energy bills we pay. Norman, thank you very much indeed. | :58:44. | :58:47. | |
Hackers claim to have stolen the script for an upcoming episode | :58:48. | :58:49. | |
of the American television series Game of Thrones. | :58:50. | :58:51. | |
The show's producers HBO have confirmed a "cyber incident". | :58:52. | :58:53. | |
Newsbeat's Entertainment reporter Sinead Garvan can tell us more. | :58:54. | :59:02. | |
What happened? Sunday night lots of American journalists received in | :59:03. | :59:10. | |
e-mail from someone claiming to have 1.5 terabytes of data from HBO. He | :59:11. | :59:17. | |
or she wrote, "Hi to all mankind. The greatest leak of cyberspace is | :59:18. | :59:21. | |
happening. You are lucky to be the first pioneers to witness and | :59:22. | :59:23. | |
download the leak. Enjoy it and spread the word. HBO is falling." | :59:24. | :59:29. | |
They also claim to have more material that they will be releasing | :59:30. | :59:35. | |
soon, but so far it is supposed to be a script of the next episode of | :59:36. | :59:42. | |
Game of Thrones and unreleased episodes of Bawlers. What have HBO | :59:43. | :59:48. | |
had to say? They have confirmed the leak and not given any specifics. | :59:49. | :59:51. | |
They haven't said what episodes it was. They say there was a cyber | :59:52. | :59:55. | |
incident and they are investigating into it, but some of the people who | :59:56. | :59:58. | |
work for them have been making comments to various American outlets | :59:59. | :00:02. | |
saying when you have got a product, that is this popular and people want | :00:03. | :00:05. | |
to know what's happening and there is lots of secrecy around it, people | :00:06. | :00:10. | |
are going to try and get in and it is the world we live in that this | :00:11. | :00:13. | |
sort of thing is happening. It isn't the first time that HBO had this | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
problem, is it? There is quite a few. You might remember Sony in | :00:18. | :00:23. | |
2014, a load of their information was leaked, all the e-mails personal | :00:24. | :00:30. | |
to high-profile actresses and actors, Netflix more recently, | :00:31. | :00:32. | |
someone was asking for a ransom. They said they had ten episodes of | :00:33. | :00:42. | |
Orange Is The New Black. Screeners were released to members of the | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
press. They unfortunately got leaked. And that stopped any | :00:47. | :00:49. | |
screeners of any Game of Thrones being sent out to any press since. | :00:50. | :00:55. | |
Are the lines circulating on social media as a massive Game of Thrones | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
it is hard enough to avoid spoilers if you haven't watched an episode | :00:59. | :01:03. | |
immediately? People trying to catch up with because it is on America | :01:04. | :01:06. | |
before over here and everyone writes it up. It is hard. You can't find | :01:07. | :01:10. | |
much on the internet about the leak. Don't worry if you are worried about | :01:11. | :01:15. | |
spoiling it. Thank you, Sinead. Now, it is time for the weather. | :01:16. | :01:23. | |
Unsettled weather for the start of August, it's a day of sunshine and | :01:24. | :01:29. | |
showers, many in the north and west, gradually moving eastwards through | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
the day but in between the showers we had sunshine to look forward to. | :01:33. | :01:40. | |
Breezy with highs of 15-24d. Shallow seas and clear. Overnight, whether | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
France pushing in, from the south-west. Dry tomorrow morning, | :01:45. | :01:49. | |
temperatures range between ten and 16 degrees. The rain band in the | :01:50. | :01:55. | |
West will gradually track northwards and eastwards, strong winds with it | :01:56. | :02:00. | |
as well. Northern parts of Scotland stay dry for Match Of The Day, the | :02:01. | :02:06. | |
odd isolated shower, temperatures ranging from 16-20d, the worst day | :02:07. | :02:12. | |
of the week. Sunshine and showers, by the time we get into Thursday, | :02:13. | :02:16. | |
but at least there is brightness in between to compensate. | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
Hello, it's Tuesday, it's ten o'clock, I'm Tina Daheley | :02:20. | :02:21. | |
More on our top story - Greater Manchester Police faces | :02:22. | :02:30. | |
new investigations over three fatal firearms incidents. | :02:31. | :02:32. | |
One ex-officer criticises its "aggressive" tactics. | :02:33. | :02:35. | |
I thought we were getting a little bit too much | :02:36. | :02:37. | |
The more aggressive you get, the more likely you are | :02:38. | :02:40. | |
We'll hear from current and former firearms officers | :02:41. | :02:53. | |
Princess Diana's former bodyguard and close friend tells this | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
programme it's important Channel 4 broadcast the private | :02:59. | :02:59. | |
recordings of her talking about her personal life. | :03:00. | :03:01. | |
I think it's important that the public have this | :03:02. | :03:04. | |
information, because Diana was an iconic figure, | :03:05. | :03:07. | |
an important person within the royal family that will go down in history. | :03:08. | :03:13. | |
Should Channel 4 show the documentary? Loads of you getting in | :03:14. | :03:19. | |
touch. Gary says in the name of decency and humanity, return the | :03:20. | :03:24. | |
tapes to the family now. Get in touch with your views whether you | :03:25. | :03:25. | |
agree or disagree. Here's Julian in the BBC Newsroom | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
with a summary of today's news. Good morning. The government says it | :03:30. | :03:49. | |
isn't ruling out the option of introducing legislation to impose an | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
energy price cap after a decision by British Gas to raise electricity | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
prices. The government said the 12.5% increase, brought in next | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
month, would hit many people already on poor value tariffs. The owner of | :04:03. | :04:06. | |
British gas blamed the increase and distribution costs. | :04:07. | :04:08. | |
The White House has insisted that President Trump's new chief of staff | :04:09. | :04:11. | |
will bring discipline to his administration, | :04:12. | :04:12. | |
following the sacking of Anthony Scaramucci as director | :04:13. | :04:14. | |
of communications after less than ten days in office. | :04:15. | :04:16. | |
Mr Scaramucci was dismissed last night - just hours | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
after the appointment of General John Kelly - | :04:21. | :04:22. | |
for what officials described as his "inappropriate" comments | :04:23. | :04:24. | |
A man has been left with facial injuries after two people on a moped | :04:25. | :04:36. | |
threw an unknown liquid at him in London's Knightsbridge | :04:37. | :04:38. | |
Police say he was taken to hospital but has since been discharged. | :04:39. | :04:41. | |
A spokesperson said it was not yet known if the liquid thrown | :04:42. | :04:44. | |
Doctors have called for secondary schools | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
to teach children about the | :04:49. | :04:49. | |
The Royal College of Paediatrics and child | :04:50. | :04:56. | |
The college says Britain has one of the lowest rates | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
of breast-feeding in Europe, blaming social stigma for the trend. | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30. | :05:07. | :05:15. | |
Los Angeles is set to host the 2028 Olympic and Paralympic Games. | :05:16. | :05:21. | |
LA's bid team has reached an agreement with the International | :05:22. | :05:23. | |
Olympic Committee, which is expected to be ratified by the Los Angeles | :05:24. | :05:26. | |
LA had originally been bidding for the 2024 Games, | :05:27. | :05:33. | |
but that event is now set to take place in Paris. | :05:34. | :05:40. | |
We have an Olympics ready city. What I would say is, unlike the old model | :05:41. | :05:47. | |
where people try to fit the Olympics to the city, this is a model where | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
we fit the city to the Olympics. We aren't building things for the | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
Olympics and hoping our people benefit but building for our people | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
who will benefit and we know the Olympics can take advantage of | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
those. It's a different kind of model, not every city will be LA but | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
we hope that we can build the city by telling folks use what you have | :06:08. | :06:09. | |
and use it well. England's cricketers will go | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
into Fridays fourth and final test against South Africa with a 2-1 lead | :06:14. | :06:16. | |
after an amazing finish to the third The tourists were trying | :06:17. | :06:19. | |
to save a draw, but two wickets in two balls from debutant | :06:20. | :06:23. | |
Toby Roland Jones ended those hopes. The only resistance | :06:24. | :06:26. | |
came from Dean Elgar, But it was Moeen Ali | :06:27. | :06:27. | |
who finished South Africa off, winning the match in the perfect | :06:28. | :06:31. | |
fashion - with a hat-trick. I think how we played was brilliant. | :06:32. | :06:49. | |
We looked down the side and got a number of matchwinners throughout. | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
If we can setup a game and get him into a position of strength, we can | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
find ways of getting across the line. It's important we continue to | :06:57. | :07:01. | |
do that but more importantly, we responded positively after last | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
week. It was a tough week, but it shows the character of the guys in | :07:06. | :07:06. | |
dressing room. The World Athletics championships | :07:07. | :07:08. | |
get underway at the weekend, but one of the star attractions | :07:09. | :07:10. | |
on the track won't be there. David Rudisha, the World | :07:11. | :07:13. | |
and Olympic 800m champion - and world record holder, | :07:14. | :07:15. | |
is out with a thigh injury. The Kenyan won the world title | :07:16. | :07:19. | |
in Beijing two years ago, and broke the world record in London | :07:20. | :07:22. | |
in 2012. This programme has learned that | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
Greater Manchester Police is facing new investigations by the police | :07:27. | :07:32. | |
watchdog over three separate It raises questions | :07:33. | :07:34. | |
about the conduct of one of the UK's second biggest firearms unit | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
at a time when Manchester has recently been hit | :07:39. | :07:40. | |
by a terror attack. We bought you Simon Cox's | :07:41. | :07:42. | |
full exclusive report earlier in the programme - | :07:43. | :07:44. | |
here's a short extract. It's been on hold, | :07:45. | :07:53. | |
and it's still on hold now. The police have determined | :07:54. | :07:59. | |
what is happening with Anthony's life and they are dictating | :08:00. | :08:01. | |
what is happening in my life. Anthony Grainger was 36, | :08:02. | :08:08. | |
a father of two young children. He was shot dead in the sleepy | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
village of Culcheth in March 2012. Even up until I seen | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
his body in the morgue. Police believed he was | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
planning an armed robbery. There were known violent | :08:23. | :08:25. | |
criminals with him. There was a public inquiry | :08:26. | :08:27. | |
into his death earlier this year. It was argued there were mistakes | :08:28. | :08:37. | |
in the police intelligence, some of the armed officers had | :08:38. | :08:39. | |
failed training courses and the most senior officer had | :08:40. | :08:41. | |
changed his notes on the operation. You've got quite a number | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
of separate fails which then brings is that big picture | :08:47. | :08:49. | |
of an organisation During the inquiry, | :08:50. | :08:51. | |
Greater Manchester Police said it was committed to learning lessons | :08:52. | :09:00. | |
from the case and that no firearms officer goes to work | :09:01. | :09:03. | |
wishing to injure or kill. The inquiry hasn't reported yet | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
and will have to decide whether Anthony Grainger's death | :09:07. | :09:09. | |
could have been avoided. This isn't the first time, though, | :09:10. | :09:11. | |
questions have been asked Ian Terry was devoted to his family | :09:12. | :09:13. | |
and his job as a firearms officer We were told that he'd been involved | :09:14. | :09:23. | |
in an accident at work and that everyone had done | :09:24. | :09:30. | |
all they could but they Ian Terry was killed | :09:31. | :09:32. | |
on a training exercise at this An inquest jury ruled he would have | :09:33. | :09:41. | |
been saved if the training had John Foxcroft ran the firearms | :09:42. | :09:48. | |
training unit at Greater Manchester, but left over safety | :09:49. | :09:55. | |
concerns in 2006. I thought we were getting | :09:56. | :09:59. | |
a little bit too much The more aggressive you get, | :10:00. | :10:01. | |
the more likely you are There were no criminal charges | :10:02. | :10:07. | |
brought, but Greater Manchester Police was fined for health | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
and safety offences. And there's another controversial | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
case, that of Jordan Begley. I need the police here | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
as quick as I can. Well, I'll get an officer | :10:20. | :10:22. | |
there as soon as we've got one. Jordan, just stay there, | :10:23. | :10:25. | |
you're not going out! This was the call his mum made | :10:26. | :10:27. | |
to police after a drunken He was tasered and punched | :10:28. | :10:29. | |
while he was on the ground. An inquest jury found that police | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
failings played a part in his death Someone actually believes | :10:35. | :10:43. | |
us and someone will do We can go somewhere now, | :10:44. | :10:51. | |
we can do something about it. We've discovered that | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
all of these cases are now facing new investigations | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
from the police watchdog. With many of the officers | :11:00. | :11:01. | |
still serving, it poses tough questions for Greater Manchester | :11:02. | :11:03. | |
Police. We asked Greater Manchester Police | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
to speak to us this morning - they said no - but told us "Firearms | :11:09. | :11:16. | |
officers in GMP and around the country volunteer for the role | :11:17. | :11:19. | |
and do a very difficult job, quite rightly under the highest | :11:20. | :11:22. | |
levels if scrutiny." We can however speak to Tony Long - | :11:23. | :11:29. | |
a former Metropolitan Police firearms officer - | :11:30. | :11:32. | |
who shot dead three He has met the officer | :11:33. | :11:34. | |
who shot Anthony Grainger. Shea Donald joins us, a Police | :11:35. | :11:43. | |
Federation spokesperson on firearms, and Leroy Logan, a former | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
superintendent in the Metropolitan Police and the founder of National | :11:48. | :11:54. | |
Black Police Association. Tell us your reaction to the film you have | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
seen and your concerns about Greater Manchester Police's firearms unit. I | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
do not have any concerns. There are three tragic incidents you have | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
spoken of, in the space of three or four years between all of them. If | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
we talk about them individually, one was an accident in training, we have | :12:13. | :12:18. | |
strict health and safety now, and health and safety may have been | :12:19. | :12:21. | |
breached in that instant, I don't know, I would be lying if I said I | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
had not been in situations where we went, that was close, because | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
something happened that we had not anticipated. Somebody does something | :12:31. | :12:36. | |
off the script, and causes a danger. As far as that Anthony Grainger | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
incident is concerned, I have a great deal of sympathy for Q9, I | :12:41. | :12:49. | |
found myself in a near identical situation, shooting someone dead | :12:50. | :12:54. | |
even though I did not see a gun but acting upon intelligence. They were | :12:55. | :12:59. | |
sat in a stolen car with swaps number plates. The intelligence was | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
they were going to do a robbery. What is key for someone watching at | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
home, they would be thinking, we know from the enquiry there was not | :13:08. | :13:10. | |
a gun in the car, Anthony Grainger did not have a gun and nobody in the | :13:11. | :13:16. | |
car had a gun but he was shot dead? If a police officer perceives there | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
was a threat, three weapons were recovered inside of the car in my | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
case but I made it clear from the outset that I made the decision to | :13:26. | :13:28. | |
fire not having seen the guns but believing the intelligence I was | :13:29. | :13:34. | |
given and acting on his body language. Q9 gave evidence at the | :13:35. | :13:39. | |
enquiry that they were acting on intelligence they were given, that | :13:40. | :13:42. | |
they were armed and were going to conduct a robbery. The suspect put | :13:43. | :13:51. | |
his hands up and put his arms down in a way that led them to believe he | :13:52. | :13:57. | |
was armed. If he was in a stolen car with stolen plates, they may have | :13:58. | :14:00. | |
been carrying out reconnaissance that if they get involved in | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
criminality of that nature, that when they are confronted by armed | :14:06. | :14:09. | |
police, by the very nature of the intelligence they are acting on, the | :14:10. | :14:13. | |
lives of the officers are going to take priority over the lives of the | :14:14. | :14:21. | |
suspects, unfortunately. And Che, how often are police involved in | :14:22. | :14:29. | |
shootings? It is extremely low, figures produced for the last 12 | :14:30. | :14:34. | |
months show we have had 15,000 operations, over 15,000 operations, | :14:35. | :14:38. | |
and we have had ten discharges within all of those operations. It | :14:39. | :14:45. | |
has to pay credit to the training the officers receive, and the | :14:46. | :14:49. | |
restraint they show in dealing with incidents that potentially have far | :14:50. | :14:56. | |
reaching repercussions, not only to the public that the officers | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
themselves. Ten discharges in 15,000 operations over a space of 12 months | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
is absolutely fantastic. I keep saying that our firearms officers | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
are the best trained and most restrained in the whole of the UK. | :15:11. | :15:16. | |
What impact does it have on officers involved in those incidents, like | :15:17. | :15:19. | |
you? You've been in a position where you have shot dead people in your | :15:20. | :15:25. | |
career, what impact does it have? Absolutely huge. It is bigger than | :15:26. | :15:28. | |
only the officers but their families as well. They have husbands, wives | :15:29. | :15:35. | |
and children, their lives are put on hold. As you mentioned earlier in | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
your report, no officer comes to work in the firearms unit with the | :15:41. | :15:44. | |
desire to shoot anyone. In fact, we try and resolve the situation at the | :15:45. | :15:49. | |
lowest possible level, before we have to resort to the use of deadly | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
force. That is only in the most extreme circumstances, where there | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
is the immediate threat to life, perceived by the officer. But, their | :15:59. | :16:04. | |
life is put on hold. The impact that they have taken another life dwells | :16:05. | :16:09. | |
on them as well. You know, where thoughts have previously been around | :16:10. | :16:15. | |
a firearm shooting, everybody goes back and it is high-fiving and tea | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
and medals for everyone, no, it is extremely solemn and there is a lot | :16:21. | :16:25. | |
that takes its toll on the officers. Your adrenaline may have been very | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
high at the start of the instant but afterwards, the reality kicks in | :16:31. | :16:34. | |
that a life has been taken and that life has a family of their own, | :16:35. | :16:36. | |
there are victims with families. What do you think? I think, you | :16:37. | :16:49. | |
know, there is a need for specialist firearms officers and to deal with | :16:50. | :16:55. | |
the risk that they face, other firearms, other weapons to save | :16:56. | :16:59. | |
lives, the public and even the suspects themselves, but like | :17:00. | :17:04. | |
everything, it's how it's dealt with at the time and subsequently. I | :17:05. | :17:10. | |
mean, just listening to the video just then and even Martin Harding | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
who was on there, he is a Manchester officer, retired superintendent from | :17:16. | :17:18. | |
Manchester. He thinks there is questions to be asked and again, it | :17:19. | :17:25. | |
is around perceptions and if the fact that police are seen to be not | :17:26. | :17:31. | |
totally open and transparent even though there is some legal con | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
staints, but if they feel there isn't that transparency and | :17:37. | :17:39. | |
accountability then it reinforces people's perceptions that officers | :17:40. | :17:42. | |
are trying to hide something and invariably that's not the case, | :17:43. | :17:46. | |
however, you know, it's trying to be, trying to get that balance and | :17:47. | :17:50. | |
reassuring the community that those officers did the best they can in a | :17:51. | :17:55. | |
professional manner. Do you think more armed police make people feel | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
safer or reduce trust and confidence in the police? Well, it depends what | :18:00. | :18:05. | |
sort of policing they have experienced. If the trust and | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
confidence is low, is commence rate with heavy handed policing. To know | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
officers are more armed can have more of a threat to them, more of a | :18:15. | :18:18. | |
fear. Whereas certain communities where trust and confidence is high | :18:19. | :18:22. | |
and they see armed officers they are reassured. So it is different issues | :18:23. | :18:26. | |
for different communities. Tony, I will let you respond quickly. I | :18:27. | :18:31. | |
accept what Leroy is saying, but the reality is all of the incidents that | :18:32. | :18:37. | |
we're talking today, one is a training accident. Both are | :18:38. | :18:39. | |
situations where the police are trying to deal with a violent | :18:40. | :18:45. | |
situation. Look at the so-called controversial shootings, so the one | :18:46. | :18:50. | |
in London, Mark duggan that caused the riots, my incident and Granger | :18:51. | :18:59. | |
were all intelligence led. If Anthony Granger had been sat at home | :19:00. | :19:05. | |
watching TV with his kids instead of being in a stolen car. With duggan | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
were questions around the intelligence and not only about him, | :19:11. | :19:17. | |
but the person... Was duggan in a car with a gun? We are out of time. | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
Thank you to all three of you for your contribution. | :19:23. | :19:25. | |
Calls continue for Channel 4 to cancel plans | :19:26. | :19:28. | |
to broadcast private video tapes of Princess Diana. | :19:29. | :19:34. | |
But one close friend believes the documentary should be shown. | :19:35. | :19:37. | |
We will hear if him in the next half an hour. A tweet from a viewer who | :19:38. | :19:46. | |
says, "We should see the tapes. It is against freedom of speech." Harry | :19:47. | :19:51. | |
says, "It is time they let her lie in peace." An anonymous text, "The | :19:52. | :19:57. | |
Princess Diana pictures, tapes or whatever, should not be shown on TV, | :19:58. | :20:00. | |
whatever will get shown in public about her or the Royal Family is | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
private and should stay that way. Why should the public see it only to | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
pass judgment?" This programme won't hurt William and Harry. They know | :20:11. | :20:13. | |
everything. The tapes have been around for years." John says, | :20:14. | :20:16. | |
"People should be ashamed of themselves. They are just trying to | :20:17. | :20:20. | |
make money over Diana's death. I don't know how they sleep at night." | :20:21. | :20:23. | |
Keep your messages coming in. Doctors are calling for secondary | :20:24. | :20:27. | |
schools to teach children about The Royal College of Paediatrics | :20:28. | :20:29. | |
and Child Health says the UK has one of the lowest rates of the practice | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
in Europe with just a third of babies receiving breast milk | :20:35. | :20:38. | |
at the age of six months. Would that change if pupils | :20:39. | :20:41. | |
were taught about it at school? With me is Judith Ellis, | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
Chief Executive of the Royal College In our Cambridge studio | :20:47. | :20:49. | |
is Hollie McNish. She's a mum and spoken | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
word artist who writes about motherhood and having | :20:55. | :20:57. | |
to breast-feed her daughter in a public toilet because of | :20:58. | :20:59. | |
the stigma of doing so in public. Welcome to the programme. Why is | :21:00. | :21:12. | |
this an issue of concern for you? Paediatricians are convinced and the | :21:13. | :21:15. | |
evidence shows us that breast milk is best for babies. And it's a very | :21:16. | :21:21. | |
big push for us to try and increase these rates. So we know as you were | :21:22. | :21:24. | |
saying that we have only got a third of mothers at six months | :21:25. | :21:27. | |
breast-feeding. In Norway they have 71%. So it's a real concern that our | :21:28. | :21:34. | |
rates drop off. 75% of mothers start breast-feeding and by the end of six | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
weeks you have got 40% and it has dropped again down to 35%. The NHS | :21:40. | :21:45. | |
advises women to breast-feed exclusively for six months. Only 1% | :21:46. | :21:52. | |
manage to. Why is it so low? 1% manage to breast-feed. It is 35% of | :21:53. | :21:58. | |
mothers are breast-feeding. It is actually, you have still got some | :21:59. | :22:02. | |
breast-feeding for six months, but that's the guidance. And what about | :22:03. | :22:10. | |
the lessons in schools? Why teach 11-year-olds about breast-feeding? I | :22:11. | :22:13. | |
think one of the things we were trying to look at is why is the drop | :22:14. | :22:20. | |
off? There is a vast amount of work supporting mothers once they have | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
had a baby and before they deliver. You need to change cultural attitude | :22:25. | :22:28. | |
towards breast-feeding and you start with the children. And we have a | :22:29. | :22:37. | |
really good network called And Us where we have hundreds of children | :22:38. | :22:43. | |
we consult with. 50%, fine. The other 50%, yuck. That was their over | :22:44. | :22:47. | |
arching statement. They need to change that. These are the parents | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
of the future and they need to accept the importance of | :22:52. | :22:54. | |
breast-feeding. What would you say to people who say it is not a | :22:55. | :22:57. | |
school's place to teach children about breast-feeding? Well, it is a | :22:58. | :23:03. | |
school's place to teach them about how to have a healthy life for the | :23:04. | :23:08. | |
future. It is not just about passing exams. It will involve parents and | :23:09. | :23:14. | |
we therefore it is important to get the health messages across. Health | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
education is just being reviewed as to what's going to be delivered in | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
school. So they already have sessions delivered in school and we | :23:23. | :23:25. | |
want to include in the sessions breast-feeding because we see it as | :23:26. | :23:31. | |
vital for the health of the babies. Hold I I want to bring in Holly. Why | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
is it something you care about so passionately? I think I care about | :23:37. | :23:40. | |
it so passionately now because I guess after sharing, I wrote a poem | :23:41. | :23:45. | |
and I wrote it while I was sitting in a public toilet feeding my | :23:46. | :23:47. | |
daughter because I was too embarrassed. I didn't have to go | :23:48. | :23:51. | |
there, I just felt too embarrassed to sit on a cafe on my own and it | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
was just the reaction from people that kind of shown me how important | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
it is to people. Has been shared by millions of women who said they also | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
often go and sit-in public toilets to feed their babies. You think what | :24:06. | :24:10. | |
sort of place do we live in? I had no physical problems doing it. It | :24:11. | :24:16. | |
was just psychological. Raising a kid is so hard and the idea that | :24:17. | :24:22. | |
just to feed your baby that's such a big issue. Can I get you to read a | :24:23. | :24:27. | |
couple of lines to give us an idea of how you were feeling and what you | :24:28. | :24:30. | |
were trying to articulate? All right, yeah. As the pyramid cells | :24:31. | :24:37. | |
pictures and female breasts banned until they are out for show. The | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
more I go out, the more I can't stand it. I walk into town and feel | :24:42. | :24:46. | |
I'm surrounded by bandits because in this country of billboards covered | :24:47. | :24:52. | |
in tits, WH Smith top shelves out for men, why don't you complain | :24:53. | :24:54. | |
about them then? Thank you very much. Can you talk to | :24:55. | :25:00. | |
me more about the type of, when you say the reaction to you | :25:01. | :25:03. | |
breast-feeding, what's the reaction? Well, just the reaction, I didn't | :25:04. | :25:07. | |
put that poem online at first because I just didn't think anyone | :25:08. | :25:11. | |
else would relate to it. I didn't think anyone else was embarrassed to | :25:12. | :25:15. | |
do it when they were on their own. And just the fact that so many mums | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
and dads too have said that they've kind of felt this way. They felt it | :25:20. | :25:25. | |
was stigmatised. But also the kind of negative reaction as well. The | :25:26. | :25:30. | |
weird comments I have had from a lot of people online comparing it to | :25:31. | :25:33. | |
going to the toilet and comparing it to things you wouldn't do in public. | :25:34. | :25:37. | |
A lot of people saying because it is natural doesn't mean you should be | :25:38. | :25:41. | |
doing it in public like going to the toilet is natural and you don't do | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
that in a restaurant. That's from lack of education, just not knowing | :25:46. | :25:49. | |
that's something that's excreting fluids that are unhealthy, that you | :25:50. | :25:52. | |
shouldn't be able to do this anywhere you want and that's because | :25:53. | :25:56. | |
it is not normalised, it is not taught. I don't see why it is not | :25:57. | :26:03. | |
taught. We teach the digestive system and we teach roe | :26:04. | :26:11. | |
reproduction. New mums experience guilt for giving up or choosing not | :26:12. | :26:17. | |
to breast-feed. Will this had to pressure and expectation that women | :26:18. | :26:22. | |
should? The thing we say about this, it is natural to breast-feed, but it | :26:23. | :26:26. | |
doesn't come naturally. We accept it can be very difficult and there are | :26:27. | :26:30. | |
certain mothers who will not be able to breast-feed for medical reasons | :26:31. | :26:33. | |
too. And there are certain babies who can't breast-feed. As far as the | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
paediatricians are concerned because that's our organisation, we have to | :26:38. | :26:41. | |
encourage breast-feeding. Breast milk is such a protector for babies. | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
I mean my background, I'm a paediatric nurse and I was a | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
paediatric ward sister for eight years on the medical ward and we | :26:50. | :26:54. | |
didn't get babies in with gastro entro Isis and ear infections, the | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
protection it gives these babies is vital. So as a college we have to | :26:59. | :27:04. | |
say breast milk is the best thing, but we recognise that there are some | :27:05. | :27:08. | |
mothers and some babies that it is not going to be right for. And | :27:09. | :27:12. | |
that's where we'll leave it. Thank you very much indeed. | :27:13. | :27:16. | |
The Royal National Lifeboat Institution or RNLI says last year | :27:17. | :27:18. | |
saw a rise in the number of coastal deaths in August. | :27:19. | :27:21. | |
They are warning of the shock that can come with falling into cold | :27:22. | :27:24. | |
water as we enter the deadliest month for accidents in the sea. | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
Radio 1 Newsbeats Rick Kelsey has been in Cornwall with the RNLI, | :27:29. | :27:31. | |
who are launching a new national campaign to tell people how | :27:32. | :27:34. | |
to deal with the shock of falling into cold water. | :27:35. | :27:36. | |
If you're out around the coastline, you could be fishing on rocks, | :27:37. | :27:39. | |
you know, slips, trips or falls around the coast, if you end up | :27:40. | :27:42. | |
in the water, generally you're going to be in your clothes | :27:43. | :27:45. | |
So as he goes in now the cold is shocking his body, | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
so the natural instinct is to fight against it. | :27:51. | :27:52. | |
Now, his heart rate is running at unusual rhythm, | :27:53. | :27:54. | |
Trainer Lewis wants people to go against their natural reactions | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
I want you to go on your back, arms out by your side, | :28:00. | :28:07. | |
and I want you to sort of push your chin as high | :28:08. | :28:09. | |
That's going to keep your airway away from the water. | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
It's that initial part of giving yourself a minute, | :28:15. | :28:16. | |
minute and a half to just let your heart rate go back | :28:17. | :28:19. | |
to a normal rhythm and obviously get your breath back and just try | :28:20. | :28:22. | |
and compose yourself a little bit, so we're not making rash decisions | :28:23. | :28:25. | |
Now, last year, Camber Sands in East Sussex hit the headlines | :28:26. | :28:34. | |
after seven people died after swimming in the sea. | :28:35. | :28:36. | |
That came after two men lost their lives there a month before. | :28:37. | :28:41. | |
One of them was 36-year-old Mohit Dupar. | :28:42. | :28:43. | |
He was trying to rescue a man who got into trouble when waves | :28:44. | :28:46. | |
Mohit was swimming with his 17-year-old son Ankush, | :28:47. | :28:50. | |
We can speak to Ankush now and also Simon Crayfourd | :28:51. | :28:55. | |
He was a lifeguard for more than a decade and is now an area | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
lifesaving manager in Devon and Cornwall. | :29:01. | :29:06. | |
You went to Camber Sands in east Sussex last July with your dad. It | :29:07. | :29:14. | |
was a normal day out for you. When did you railise something was badly | :29:15. | :29:19. | |
wrong? Yes, it was a normal day. We always went for a weekend once or | :29:20. | :29:27. | |
twice in the month for the beach. We normally go to Bournemouth, but dad | :29:28. | :29:31. | |
decided to go to Camber Sands and it was a really nice day that day and | :29:32. | :29:40. | |
it was crowded. But there wasn't any flags that something was going to | :29:41. | :29:44. | |
happen. There was a white flag, how far you can go. So we went in the | :29:45. | :29:49. | |
water and we took some pictures as well in the water and after that, | :29:50. | :29:55. | |
when I came back to put my phone in the bag and when I went back in the | :29:56. | :30:02. | |
water dad was a little bit far. I thought he's just going for the | :30:03. | :30:07. | |
swimming and then I realised he's going too far. I wear glasses and at | :30:08. | :30:12. | |
that time I wasn't wearing so I didn't know what was going on. I | :30:13. | :30:17. | |
asked him, "Why are you going far?" ?" He said somebody is drowning in | :30:18. | :30:23. | |
the sea and needs help. You call for help. I called for the help and | :30:24. | :30:27. | |
after that the tide came out and after that, I remember I just woke | :30:28. | :30:30. | |
up in the hospital. It was a summers day in July, what | :30:31. | :30:40. | |
was the sea like, and the waves that day? The waves were normal, it was | :30:41. | :30:49. | |
like normal day. There wasn't anything... Any kind of... You could | :30:50. | :30:59. | |
not see that there was any kind of... But anything could happen like | :31:00. | :31:07. | |
this. You remember your dad shouting to you, what did he say? He said | :31:08. | :31:17. | |
that somebody needed help, they were in trouble in the water, they needed | :31:18. | :31:23. | |
help, he called for help and called for the coastguard. Your dad was a | :31:24. | :31:28. | |
hero, he was trying to save someone else when he got into trouble, does | :31:29. | :31:34. | |
that give you some comfort? Yes. Simon, let me bring you in. What | :31:35. | :31:40. | |
more would you like to see done to stop what seems to be happening | :31:41. | :31:43. | |
every year when it comes to summer, a rise in the number of these kinds | :31:44. | :31:46. | |
of incidents of people getting into trouble? It is a tragic case, events | :31:47. | :31:55. | |
like this happen year after year and that's one of the reasons why the | :31:56. | :32:00. | |
RNLI have brought about the Respect the Water campaign to encourage | :32:01. | :32:03. | |
people to get a better understanding of the environment they are going | :32:04. | :32:08. | |
into, and to give them some basic skills to help themselves if they | :32:09. | :32:14. | |
find themselves in difficulty. The first piece of advice is, if you do | :32:15. | :32:19. | |
see somebody in difficulty in the water, call 999 and ask for the | :32:20. | :32:24. | |
coastguard. It's 100% the right thing to do and if you find yourself | :32:25. | :32:29. | |
in the water unexpectedly, as was just said in that piece before, | :32:30. | :32:33. | |
laid-back and float, relax. Keep yourself calm and that will let | :32:34. | :32:39. | |
yourself get into a state where you are in a position to make clear | :32:40. | :32:46. | |
decisions and you can out of that situation you found yourself in. You | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
cannot talk about the situation at Camber Sands, it is not your area | :32:51. | :32:55. | |
but deaths there were put down to rip currents, can you explain what | :32:56. | :32:59. | |
those are? That is water trying to find its own level again. When waves | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
break on the shore, the water wants to find its way back out to its own | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
level. It will find the path of least resistance, which forms a | :33:10. | :33:13. | |
channel. There there is a stronger current. It pulls you out from the | :33:14. | :33:19. | |
shore towards the deeper water, and that's when people start to panic | :33:20. | :33:22. | |
and find themselves in difficulty. The best advice that we can give is | :33:23. | :33:28. | |
to stay calm, do not swim against the current, actually float with it. | :33:29. | :33:33. | |
That will eventually peter out, the current will weaken, and you will be | :33:34. | :33:38. | |
able to find yourself in water where you can swim across the beach, and | :33:39. | :33:42. | |
back into an area of safety without tiring yourself out and trying to | :33:43. | :33:47. | |
fight that large body of water pushing against you in the rip | :33:48. | :33:51. | |
current itself. Thank you to both of you for joining us this morning. | :33:52. | :33:57. | |
Now, should Channel 4 broadcast Private video tapes of Princess | :33:58. | :34:01. | |
Diana? A new documentary is due to air next week, showing footage | :34:02. | :34:05. | |
previously never shown in the UK where the Princess of Wales | :34:06. | :34:06. | |
discusses her marriage. The BBC decided to pull its own | :34:07. | :34:13. | |
programme containing the same tapes ten years ago - | :34:14. | :34:15. | |
and there are now calls Earlier we spoke to Ken Wharfe, | :34:16. | :34:18. | |
who was Princess Diana's close He was in charge of the Princess's | :34:19. | :34:22. | |
security at home and abroad, in public and in private, | :34:23. | :34:26. | |
and became her close And Dai Davis, who is former head | :34:27. | :34:28. | |
of Royal Protection for Met, Diana said, what do you want a | :34:29. | :34:38. | |
drink? It was like being in a wine bar in Kensington with a friend. She | :34:39. | :34:40. | |
said, do you know about Camilla Parker Bowles? I could not deny that | :34:41. | :34:43. | |
I knew about it, I said yes, of course. There was a hesitation and | :34:44. | :34:45. | |
she said well, she features most days, most hours and minutes of my | :34:46. | :34:48. | |
life. I did not really understand at that point exactly what she meant. | :34:49. | :34:52. | |
Of course, the days that followed, the weeks that followed, the months | :34:53. | :34:56. | |
that followed, I knew exactly what she meant by that. She sort of | :34:57. | :35:03. | |
carried out her in research, and found the previous Prince of Wales | :35:04. | :35:08. | |
has had their own mistresses. Earlier, we spoke to Ken Worf, | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
Princess Diana's close protection officer for six years. He was in | :35:14. | :35:18. | |
charge of her security at home and abroad, in public and in private and | :35:19. | :35:23. | |
became a close friend and confidant. As we saw, he features in the | :35:24. | :35:27. | |
documentary and the former head of royal protection for the mat, also | :35:28. | :35:31. | |
new Princess Diana -- the Metropolitan Police. | :35:32. | :35:37. | |
What is your role in this upcoming film about Princess Diana? My role | :35:38. | :35:43. | |
in the process is to support the film, that is primarily my role | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
because I was a participant in the film as I believed in its quality | :35:49. | :35:52. | |
and structure, and why the film needs to be made. That is my role. I | :35:53. | :36:03. | |
was her protection officer from 1986 to 1983. I was very much around at | :36:04. | :36:06. | |
the time she made this broadcast with Peter Settler and in 1992 and | :36:07. | :36:14. | |
1993. And Dai Davis, you don't believe that these tapes should be | :36:15. | :36:20. | |
broadcast, can you tell Ken why? We have had so much Diana over the last | :36:21. | :36:25. | |
20 years, most people I think would want her to rest in peace and her | :36:26. | :36:32. | |
children should be allowed to put this in the past. They did an | :36:33. | :36:40. | |
documentary on their mother, I would like to remember her as she was | :36:41. | :36:43. | |
rather than regurgitate continuously what we have been for a number of | :36:44. | :36:49. | |
years. While I have great respect for Ken Wharfe, he was a great | :36:50. | :36:53. | |
police and protection officer, I do not believe this is the time or | :36:54. | :36:56. | |
place, especially 20 years before the anniversary of her tragic death. | :36:57. | :37:02. | |
Channel 4 tell us this is a important historical source and | :37:03. | :37:08. | |
public record? We should learn lessons of history as I say in the | :37:09. | :37:13. | |
lectures I give. I lecture at Cardiff University's business School | :37:14. | :37:16. | |
on ethics and the moral factors involved in ethics. Ethics is | :37:17. | :37:23. | |
knowing what is right, and having the courage to do what is right. | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
With great respect for Ken Wharfe and everyone else, I do not think | :37:28. | :37:34. | |
this is right. Ken, Dai does not think this is right. He is entitled | :37:35. | :37:40. | |
to his viewpoint, I would never deny that but what you need to look at | :37:41. | :37:46. | |
here is a person. Diana, during her short life in 1981 right through to | :37:47. | :37:54. | |
her abandonment of royal duties in 1993, 1994, they had a significant | :37:55. | :37:58. | |
impact and carved the path to the future and modernisation of the | :37:59. | :38:05. | |
monarchy. Whilst Dai has a point, what we need to look at here is what | :38:06. | :38:10. | |
was in the national interest. Historically, 20 years after her | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
death, this is information we should know about. Can I respect to the -- | :38:15. | :38:22. | |
respectfully say that a lot of people have cashed in on this. I | :38:23. | :38:26. | |
only lecture in terms of what happened in Paris. That's the only | :38:27. | :38:30. | |
time you will ever hear me talk about Diana because I've researched | :38:31. | :38:34. | |
it over three or four years and I am passionately keen in protecting both | :38:35. | :38:39. | |
her memory, as a decent person, and to regurgitate, as I say, some of | :38:40. | :38:45. | |
the more fallacious factors involved in, as you know, she was going | :38:46. | :38:49. | |
through a period of incredible hurt and mistrust. Everyone who had close | :38:50. | :38:56. | |
involvement, as you did, Mr Burrell and others, with great respect we | :38:57. | :39:00. | |
should keep quiet now and let her rest in peace. That's what I say. | :39:01. | :39:04. | |
The vast majority of the public wanted. Channel 4 are doing this to | :39:05. | :39:10. | |
make money, make no mistake. It is and people cashing in, people make | :39:11. | :39:15. | |
programmes and these need to be financed. If you choose to see the | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
programme next week, you will see the actual line, the continuity from | :39:21. | :39:28. | |
Diana's marriage in 1981 through to her death in 1997, you will see how | :39:29. | :39:32. | |
professionally the programme has been put together. It has been | :39:33. | :39:36. | |
slated as the sex tapes but there is no mention of these at all. These | :39:37. | :39:41. | |
tapes had been in a public domain with an intelligent and educational | :39:42. | :39:45. | |
approach to the documentary. I support Channel 4 in this and in my | :39:46. | :39:49. | |
view, once the programme has shown that people will generally realise | :39:50. | :39:54. | |
how historical in context the programme is and, for that reason, I | :39:55. | :39:58. | |
think things have to be said. There was a quote the other day saying, | :39:59. | :40:03. | |
should it be another 30, 40 or 50 years before this is shown? It's | :40:04. | :40:08. | |
irrelevant, the point is this is historical in the sense that it | :40:09. | :40:12. | |
happened 20 years ago, I do not share the view that Princes William | :40:13. | :40:15. | |
and Harry will be upset by this. Like all members of the Royal family | :40:16. | :40:20. | |
they read the newspapers and are aware of current affairs, they will | :40:21. | :40:25. | |
see it for what it is and therefore I support the view and your idea of | :40:26. | :40:31. | |
cashing in, you lecture, and I lecture internationally as well | :40:32. | :40:37. | |
about it. Spreading the message and telling people how important the | :40:38. | :40:42. | |
roles Diana had in the 20th century, that is a continuation of it. It's | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
important the public have this information as she was an iconic | :40:48. | :40:50. | |
figure, important in the Royal family and will go down in history. | :40:51. | :41:04. | |
To allay fears of a Royal... The documentary maker who made it. | :41:05. | :41:08. | |
Equally I would say her brother and her sisters through this, and others | :41:09. | :41:16. | |
closely allied to her, I would say fine, but they are not. We should | :41:17. | :41:21. | |
take this into account. I would say yes, I will watch the tapes. I read | :41:22. | :41:27. | |
transcripts published in 2004. I am aware of a great deal of content and | :41:28. | :41:33. | |
what is actually in the film? No, I have not seen. Dai, will you watch | :41:34. | :41:43. | |
the film on Sunday? I will now, as I may be asked to comment on it. But | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
at the moment I stand by what I am thinking and what I am saying. You | :41:48. | :41:53. | |
both new Princess Diana personally, how would she have reacted to what | :41:54. | :41:56. | |
is happening now? She did not give her permission, what would her | :41:57. | :42:09. | |
reaction be? I new Princess Diana in a way that Dai didn't, I remember | :42:10. | :42:15. | |
1992 when she used a very good friend of hers, who is in the | :42:16. | :42:20. | |
documentary, he talks very openly about that period. Diana desperately | :42:21. | :42:23. | |
tried to resolve problems within her marriage. He was her biographer? The | :42:24. | :42:34. | |
conduit between Diana and Andrew Morton. Diana tried desperately to | :42:35. | :42:38. | |
resolve the complications and problems within her marriage. | :42:39. | :42:45. | |
Achieving little or no help. People, friends of the Prince of Wales, | :42:46. | :42:48. | |
openly went on national television to say that Diana was mad, and even | :42:49. | :42:53. | |
friends of the Queen said that she was damaged goods. In the end, Diana | :42:54. | :42:58. | |
had to resort to dealing with this herself. With Morton, panorama and | :42:59. | :43:03. | |
so forth. Even now, with these tapes, she is telling somebody else | :43:04. | :43:09. | |
the problems of her marriage. Let's understand that there is no point in | :43:10. | :43:15. | |
hiding what happened here. Her sons know about this. I think for the | :43:16. | :43:20. | |
first time ever, you know, we are having this documented in a format | :43:21. | :43:24. | |
where I think people will realise and understand it. This has been in | :43:25. | :43:30. | |
the public domain for so much time. There have been numerous | :43:31. | :43:34. | |
documentaries. I myself have been on these documentaries, becoming a pop | :43:35. | :43:38. | |
pundit. Is the first documentary I've ever taken part in where there | :43:39. | :43:42. | |
is a line earth continuity explaining everything from the day | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
of their marriage in 1981 through to her death in 1997. We had to leave | :43:47. | :43:51. | |
it there but thank you very much for taking part. Loads of you getting in | :43:52. | :43:55. | |
touch about some of these stories today. One text from Gary, the | :43:56. | :43:59. | |
paparazzi harmed Diana's memory and even after her death, the trauma her | :44:00. | :44:07. | |
son suffer continues. Repugnant, shameless and disgraceful. | :44:08. | :44:08. | |
Loads of you getting in touch about breastfeeding following that | :44:09. | :44:11. | |
discussion earlier about whether it should be taught | :44:12. | :44:12. | |
One text saying their daughter is due to give birth and has made the | :44:13. | :44:20. | |
decision not to breast-feed, she has had all their experiences with | :44:21. | :44:26. | |
midwives making her breast-feed, she attended an event where mothers who | :44:27. | :44:37. | |
choose to bottle feed web described as bad mothers. | :44:38. | :44:43. | |
Many women struggle, myself included, but I have been taught | :44:44. | :44:47. | |
about the benefits and therefore I was determined to succeed. Let's | :44:48. | :44:51. | |
educate young people, the next generation and support women to | :44:52. | :44:54. | |
persevere to give the best possible start in life for their children. | :44:55. | :44:59. | |
Keep your messages coming in and just to let you know, if you are | :45:00. | :45:03. | |
watching us on three view all you view, some channel numbers are | :45:04. | :45:09. | |
changing on Wednesday afternoon. BBC News is moving to channel 231 while | :45:10. | :45:16. | |
BBC HD remains at 107. Some televisions update automatically but | :45:17. | :45:20. | |
you may need to retune your televisions or boxes. For help on | :45:21. | :45:29. | |
how to retune, just go to the free view Channel 100 or visit the | :45:30. | :45:31. | |
website. Sky, Freesat and Virgin Media | :45:32. | :45:38. | |
viewers are unaffected. I'm Tina Daheley in for | :45:39. | :45:41. | |
Victoria Derbyshire. The Met Police says stealing a moped | :45:42. | :45:43. | |
and committing robbery has become the "crime of choice" among young | :45:44. | :45:46. | |
people in London. Last night, a man was left | :45:47. | :45:48. | |
with facial injuries after two people on a moped threw liquid | :45:49. | :45:50. | |
at him in Knightsbridge. Today, a group of delivery riders | :45:51. | :45:56. | |
will meet the deputy mayor of London She's from the Motorcycle Crime | :45:57. | :45:59. | |
Prevention Community which is a campaign group that's | :46:00. | :46:04. | |
formed on Facebook. She's asked us not | :46:05. | :46:06. | |
to use her surname. Also with us the Labour MP | :46:07. | :46:08. | |
Steve McCabe says he was hit in the face with brick that had been | :46:09. | :46:11. | |
thrown by one of two motorcyclists. Steve, that looks like a very, very | :46:12. | :46:24. | |
nasty bruise on your face. Tell us what happened. Well, I was out with | :46:25. | :46:31. | |
a group of volunteers. We were door knocking. This issue of motorbike | :46:32. | :46:36. | |
thuggery or menace is quite a big problem in the area and a couple of | :46:37. | :46:41. | |
them came down the road at high-speed zigzagging, doing | :46:42. | :46:45. | |
wheelies in the middle of the road, very threatening and I shouted at | :46:46. | :46:49. | |
them to park it in. I shouted that a couple of times and then I said I | :46:50. | :46:53. | |
would phone the police. They took off, but they came back a few | :46:54. | :46:57. | |
moments later. One of them got off the bike and confronted me and while | :46:58. | :47:01. | |
I was engaged with him, the other one threw a rock or a brick at the | :47:02. | :47:05. | |
side of my head with some force. Now, do you think there, is as the | :47:06. | :47:09. | |
police describe it, a crime of choice? Especially after the Muslim | :47:10. | :47:17. | |
Brotherhood attack overnight? Well, I think there is a real issues with | :47:18. | :47:21. | |
mopeds and motorcyclists at the moment. I think basically the police | :47:22. | :47:28. | |
are in danger of losing control of the streets. These people are | :47:29. | :47:33. | |
threatening and intimidating hole neighbourhoods and unless we get | :47:34. | :47:37. | |
more police on the streets and give them more resources, we're going to | :47:38. | :47:41. | |
lose control of this situation. What are you hoping to achieve by | :47:42. | :47:45. | |
taking this to the deputy mayor today? Good morning, Tina and thank | :47:46. | :47:53. | |
you for the opportunity to speak to me on the behalf of our motorcycle | :47:54. | :48:00. | |
prevention community. Motorcycle theft has become a massive problem | :48:01. | :48:06. | |
and especially in London. People are being threatened and this affected | :48:07. | :48:12. | |
motorcyclists, but now it is spreading to the wider community. | :48:13. | :48:17. | |
People are using acid and there is a distinction between criminals on | :48:18. | :48:21. | |
mopeds and motorcyclists and I think it is an important distinction to | :48:22. | :48:25. | |
make here because motorcyclists are under threat themselves. So what do | :48:26. | :48:29. | |
you want to see happen? What solves this problem? How do you reduce this | :48:30. | :48:35. | |
number of attacks? Well, the first step I propose is currently the | :48:36. | :48:39. | |
police's is unable to pursue the criminals and the first thing we | :48:40. | :48:43. | |
need to do is find means of enabling them. So we are as suggested earlier | :48:44. | :48:49. | |
as well, we are hoping to get more resources for the Met Police and | :48:50. | :48:53. | |
both in terms of, you know financial resources, but also greater powers | :48:54. | :48:59. | |
to pursue offenders, any kind of offenders including offenders on | :49:00. | :49:07. | |
mopeds. This is... Sorry, go on. One of the ends we are trying to | :49:08. | :49:10. | |
accomplish, we would like to have more adequate and secure motorcycle | :49:11. | :49:14. | |
and moped parking around London, London east, a hotspot for this | :49:15. | :49:20. | |
problem, although other areas are affected for example Bristol and | :49:21. | :49:22. | |
Birmingham are heavily affected as well. We would like some help from | :49:23. | :49:28. | |
the courts as well which is just to essentially do their job to back up | :49:29. | :49:33. | |
the police with real solutions in the form of punishments for the | :49:34. | :49:36. | |
crimes that these people have committed. OK, thank you very much | :49:37. | :49:40. | |
for joining us this morning. Less than half of young men say | :49:41. | :49:44. | |
they'd contact police if they accidentally found images | :49:45. | :49:46. | |
of child sex abuse online - that's according to a survey | :49:47. | :49:49. | |
for an online watchdog. The Internet Watch Foundation | :49:50. | :49:51. | |
is encouraging people to report the material | :49:52. | :49:53. | |
to its experts anonymously. They've been working | :49:54. | :49:55. | |
with Everton Football Club to teach young footballers | :49:56. | :49:57. | |
about the importance During the workshops, | :49:58. | :49:59. | |
players admitted they'd received worrying messages on apps | :50:00. | :50:04. | |
like Snapchat from men claiming to be football agents | :50:05. | :50:07. | |
and wanting to sign them. Snapchat say the exploitation | :50:08. | :50:10. | |
of children on its platform is "absolutely unacceptable | :50:11. | :50:12. | |
and a complete misuse Let's talk now to Andy Wood who runs | :50:13. | :50:14. | |
the safeguarding workshops He was there when some players said | :50:15. | :50:25. | |
they'd been targeted by people Susie Hargreaves is Chief Executive | :50:26. | :50:30. | |
of Internet Watch Foundation and Andy Woodward, a former | :50:31. | :50:36. | |
Crewe Alexandra footballer who waived his anonymity to speak | :50:37. | :50:38. | |
out about abuse in football He says the governing bodies | :50:39. | :50:41. | |
in football have a "moral responsibility" to do something | :50:42. | :50:45. | |
about the abuse of Suzy, why football clubs? Well, the | :50:46. | :51:01. | |
Internet Watch Foundation is the UK hot light for reporting and removing | :51:02. | :51:04. | |
online sexual abuse and to give you a sense of what that means in 2016, | :51:05. | :51:10. | |
we removed 57,000 individual web pages of child sexual abuse and | :51:11. | :51:14. | |
about 50% of the children were under ten and about 50% was rape and | :51:15. | :51:18. | |
sexual torture. Now, what we know from all the surveys we've done is | :51:19. | :51:22. | |
that the most likely group to stumble on child sexual abuse are | :51:23. | :51:26. | |
young men aged 16 to 24 and they are the least likely to report it to us. | :51:27. | :51:31. | |
So we wanted to reach young men and one of the great ways to reach them | :51:32. | :51:34. | |
was through the power of football. And we reached out to Everton | :51:35. | :51:38. | |
because Everton have got this fantastic track record in terms of | :51:39. | :51:43. | |
their safeguarding and are very active in UK safer internet day and | :51:44. | :51:48. | |
we went to talk to them and asked if we could run some workshops, not | :51:49. | :51:52. | |
just looking at child sexual abuse, but looking at sexual behaviour | :51:53. | :51:56. | |
because we want young men if they stumble across child sexual abuse, | :51:57. | :52:01. | |
not to freeze or panic, and not to close the commuter down, but to | :52:02. | :52:04. | |
report it from us so we can remove the images because they are real | :52:05. | :52:07. | |
children who have really been sexually abused and we need to get | :52:08. | :52:10. | |
them off the internet. You can understand why they might be | :52:11. | :52:13. | |
fearful, scared, worried about doing so. How practically do they go about | :52:14. | :52:19. | |
reporting any images they might stumble across? Yes, I do understand | :52:20. | :52:23. | |
why. And what people need to understand is that if you have | :52:24. | :52:26. | |
accidentally stumbled, there is no danger of you reporting it to us. | :52:27. | :52:30. | |
You can report anonymously. We are not interested in your details. We | :52:31. | :52:33. | |
don't follow up with you. We don't send information to the police about | :52:34. | :52:41. | |
who reports to us. You report online Iwf.org.co.uk. Send us the web link. | :52:42. | :52:45. | |
We will take a look at it. If it is child sexual abuse, we will work | :52:46. | :52:48. | |
internationally to get it removed. Andy, you were there when some of | :52:49. | :52:55. | |
the boys you worked with told us they were targeted by fake football | :52:56. | :53:00. | |
coaches. That was over a biggercution about people pretending | :53:01. | :53:02. | |
to be someone else online. We tried to encourage the young men to make | :53:03. | :53:06. | |
the right choices and to actually think more carefully about the | :53:07. | :53:09. | |
people that are online, they are talking to, their contacts, their | :53:10. | :53:12. | |
relationships, and the fact that maybe those people they're talking | :53:13. | :53:15. | |
to don't have their best interests at heart. And Snapchat is one | :53:16. | :53:20. | |
platform. It could have been any platform. It could have been across | :53:21. | :53:23. | |
any of the social media applications, the notion that we're | :53:24. | :53:26. | |
trying to get no these young men to safeguard them is that they need to | :53:27. | :53:29. | |
think carefully about the relationships that they develop. | :53:30. | :53:32. | |
What, can you give me some of the example. What are the scenarios you | :53:33. | :53:37. | |
go through with them? First of all, the first thing we say is how much | :53:38. | :53:44. | |
we love the internet. I use the internet every day. That that's | :53:45. | :53:48. | |
really important to get across that the internet is a good place for the | :53:49. | :53:54. | |
most part. You start talking about introducing an idea of, you get a | :53:55. | :53:59. | |
text, a message from a girl who says she is 16 for example. Asking for an | :54:00. | :54:03. | |
image. What do you do? How do you know the girl is 16? What sorts of | :54:04. | :54:08. | |
issues? What sort of red flags does the fact that the girl is 16 raise | :54:09. | :54:13. | |
in itself? It is illegal to produce images of children under the age of | :54:14. | :54:18. | |
18. So, it's a real understanding, it is an education of making sure | :54:19. | :54:24. | |
these young men, these elite players are protecting themselves, their | :54:25. | :54:27. | |
club and also this they are gaining skills to go forward as well. Why | :54:28. | :54:32. | |
aren't more clubs involved? Well, this was a pilot. Everton were | :54:33. | :54:37. | |
really brave and they are real leaders in the field and they | :54:38. | :54:41. | |
stepped up and took part and the project exceeded our expectation. | :54:42. | :54:45. | |
One thing I would say the issues Everton deals with are the same for | :54:46. | :54:49. | |
every club, whether it is football, rugby, anything, but the issue... It | :54:50. | :54:54. | |
is for young people in general. All young people are in these situations | :54:55. | :54:57. | |
and are vulnerable to those risks. We have run it for a year. We did a | :54:58. | :55:04. | |
detailed analysis, evaluation, we had an advisory board. We really | :55:05. | :55:09. | |
want to reach out to the Premier League, the FA, the PFA and all the | :55:10. | :55:12. | |
other football clubs and sports clubs and say this works. The young | :55:13. | :55:16. | |
men got a lot from it. What we did find out was that young men will do | :55:17. | :55:20. | |
the right thing if they have the education and support. And you have | :55:21. | :55:23. | |
got to hand it to Everton, they really, really, got behind this | :55:24. | :55:26. | |
project and they're dealing with this in a really, really fantastic | :55:27. | :55:30. | |
way. I want to bring Andy into the conversation too. Good morning, | :55:31. | :55:33. | |
Andy. Good morning. Happened when you sat down with the FA a few | :55:34. | :55:40. | |
months ago and talked to them about how to deal with the issues we are | :55:41. | :55:44. | |
talking about? I met Greg Clarke in November and he told me he would be | :55:45. | :55:49. | |
supportive and on board with what my project is. I have met with the | :55:50. | :55:55. | |
governing bodies at executive level just a couple of months ago with the | :55:56. | :55:59. | |
holistic solution that would prove that there is a problem within all | :56:00. | :56:06. | |
sports and that's physical, online abuse, you know, financial abuse, | :56:07. | :56:11. | |
and I gave it to them and I have yet to hear anything back, but it's | :56:12. | :56:15. | |
clear to see that this is an issue for vulnerable players because | :56:16. | :56:18. | |
footballers need trust and what we've come up with is an independent | :56:19. | :56:24. | |
body that players can go to and I think what they were just saying | :56:25. | :56:28. | |
before is so important because footballers are vulnerable and it's | :56:29. | :56:31. | |
something that I'm passionate about and something that we need to move | :56:32. | :56:34. | |
forward with it and it's so important. We need to save these | :56:35. | :56:41. | |
players and be able to, for them, to become professional footballers that | :56:42. | :56:44. | |
they want to be, but they need trust and trust is key. Andy, what do you | :56:45. | :56:50. | |
think needs to happen practically? Well, I've given them a full package | :56:51. | :56:56. | |
that will protect players in the future and it's an independent body | :56:57. | :56:59. | |
and I'm still waiting to hear from them and it's so important that we | :57:00. | :57:04. | |
do this now and all of us collectively can make that | :57:05. | :57:09. | |
difference for our future. Footballers are unique because when | :57:10. | :57:13. | |
they go into that world, and if they are successful, they are earning | :57:14. | :57:16. | |
lots of money and they get a lot of attention. So, how is your training | :57:17. | :57:20. | |
specific, the workshops you do specific to them? Well, we do | :57:21. | :57:25. | |
emphasise right at the start that they are not the normal child on the | :57:26. | :57:30. | |
street. My son is 16. He would love to be a professional footballer. | :57:31. | :57:34. | |
Unfortunately, he's not. These group of elite sportsmen are different. | :57:35. | :57:38. | |
These are potential captains of national teams for example. So, we | :57:39. | :57:42. | |
have to really emphasise to them that they are not the normal person. | :57:43. | :57:48. | |
I have to say as well, the safeguarding arrangements put in | :57:49. | :57:52. | |
place at these clubs does need to be spot on and Everton seem to have a | :57:53. | :57:56. | |
really good grasp on that. They do seem to be a unique set of | :57:57. | :58:00. | |
circumstances. Obviously many advantages becoming a footballer, | :58:01. | :58:04. | |
but disadvantages and things they need to look out for as well. Thank | :58:05. | :58:07. | |
you very much indeed. Thank you for your company today. | :58:08. | :58:12. | |
On the programme tomorrow, we'll talk to the parents | :58:13. | :58:14. | |
of a miracle baby who survived despite being told she'd stopped | :58:15. | :58:17. | |
Join us tomorrow for that. Have a great day in the meantime. | :58:18. | :58:27. |