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This morning: Britain has the gayest parliament in the world - | :00:00. | :00:13. | |
but what's it like for a poltitician when they come out? | :00:14. | :00:15. | |
This morning, Kezia Dugdale, the former leader of | :00:16. | :00:17. | |
Scottish Labour, tells us she was outed by | :00:18. | :00:19. | |
I didn't have complete control over coming out. | :00:20. | :00:25. | |
I came out in the middle of an incredibly intense | :00:26. | :00:27. | |
It was the 2016 Scottish parliament elections. | :00:28. | :00:34. | |
It wasn't under my control, and I do regret that, | :00:35. | :00:36. | |
And one Conservative MP tells us he thinks he was turned down | :00:37. | :00:47. | |
for a Government job because of he's gay. | :00:48. | :00:49. | |
That full exclusive report in 15 minutes' time. | :00:50. | :00:51. | |
Also on the programme, tributes are being paid | :00:52. | :00:52. | |
to Diana exactly 20 years after she was killed | :00:53. | :00:55. | |
To have something so traumatic as the death of your mother | :00:56. | :00:59. | |
when you're 15, as very sadly, many people have experienced, | :01:00. | :01:02. | |
and no one wants to experience, it leaves you... | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
It will either make or break you, and I wouldn't let it break me. | :01:08. | :01:14. | |
We will talk about her legacy with her former bodyguard who worked with | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
her for six years. Plus - Theresa May says she's not | :01:19. | :01:20. | |
quitting and plans to carry on as Prime Minister to fight | :01:21. | :01:23. | |
the next general election. We'll get reaction | :01:24. | :01:25. | |
from Conservative Mps - let me know what you think of that | :01:26. | :01:27. | |
statement, whoever you vote for Welcome to the programme, | :01:28. | :01:41. | |
we're live until 11. Throughout the morning, | :01:42. | :01:44. | |
we'll bring you the latest news and developing stories | :01:45. | :01:46. | |
and as always, rEally keen to hear from you on all the stories | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
we're talking about. After ten, we will be talking to a | :01:50. | :02:00. | |
young woman who has been on 77 first dates in two years in the hope of | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
finding the right bloke. So far, none of them have been good enough, | :02:05. | :02:10. | |
apparently. Tell us about your first dates, the triumphs and disasters. | :02:11. | :02:16. | |
The details on your screen. The Prime Minister, Theresa May says | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
she wants to lead the Conservatives saying she's in it | :02:22. | :02:25. | |
"for the long term". The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
has given his support but backbench Conservative MPs have told the BBC | :02:29. | :02:31. | |
they're sceptical she'll be able to stay in the job | :02:32. | :02:33. | |
until the next general election. Theresa May is currently | :02:34. | :02:36. | |
on a three-day trip to Japan. Our political correspondent | :02:37. | :02:38. | |
Ben Wright is with her. There has been an awful lot | :02:39. | :02:41. | |
of speculation about my future that There is a real job to be done | :02:42. | :02:44. | |
in the United Kingdom. It's about getting the Brexit deal | :02:45. | :02:50. | |
right, it's about building that deep and special partnership | :02:51. | :02:53. | |
with the European Union for the future, but it is also | :02:54. | :02:56. | |
about building global Britain, trading around the world, yes, | :02:57. | :02:58. | |
dealing with injustices that remain inside the United Kingdom, | :02:59. | :03:05. | |
but also going out around the world ensuring that we can do those trade | :03:06. | :03:08. | |
deals which bring prosperity to our economy and bring jobs | :03:09. | :03:10. | |
to the United Kingdom. Chris Rogers is in the BBC | :03:11. | :03:20. | |
Newsroom with a summary The former Scottish Labour leader | :03:21. | :03:22. | |
Kezia Dugdale has exclusively told this programme she had to come out | :03:23. | :03:29. | |
as gay after being The Member of the | :03:30. | :03:32. | |
Scottish Parliament - who recently quit as leader - | :03:33. | :03:35. | |
says when she asked for her quotes on her sexuality not to be included, | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
her request was ignored. Dugdale is one of a number of | :03:39. | :03:40. | |
politicians asked by this programme about what it was like opening up | :03:41. | :03:43. | |
about their sexuality. I would always answer honestly, | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
but then I would say And up until that day, | :03:49. | :03:50. | |
everybody had respected that. And then that one journalist | :03:51. | :03:58. | |
decided it was a story, I had to make some phone calls, | :03:59. | :04:01. | |
speak to a few people, tidy it up, make the best of it that I could, | :04:02. | :04:06. | |
but it wasn't under my control, We will bring you more on that story | :04:07. | :04:09. | |
in the next few minutes. A law banning so-called legal highs | :04:10. | :04:21. | |
in the UK is to be reviewed by the Crown Prosecution Service, | :04:22. | :04:24. | |
after the collapse of the first ever contested cases under | :04:25. | :04:27. | |
the new legislation. Two separate trials of people | :04:28. | :04:28. | |
accused of intending to supply nitrous oxide - | :04:29. | :04:30. | |
more commonly known as laughing gas - at music festivals were stopped | :04:31. | :04:33. | |
after the courts heard the drug is exempt because it is used | :04:34. | :04:36. | |
as a medicinal product. The drug charity, Release, | :04:37. | :04:38. | |
claims the new law is The brother of the Manchester Arena | :04:39. | :04:49. | |
bomber will go on trial in Libya in the next two months in connection | :04:50. | :04:52. | |
with the attack that left 22 people dead. Hashim Amla a deep was | :04:53. | :05:02. | |
arrested shortly after the bombing in May, by his brother, Salman. His | :05:03. | :05:05. | |
father has been released. Rescuers are searching for up to 40 | :05:06. | :05:07. | |
people thought to be trapped in a collapsed building in India's | :05:08. | :05:10. | |
financial capital, Mumbai. The four-storey building | :05:11. | :05:12. | |
gave way after two days of heavy monsoon rains, | :05:13. | :05:14. | |
which have already resulted The governor of Texas has warned | :05:15. | :05:16. | |
the amount of federal government aid it will need in the aftermath | :05:17. | :05:26. | |
of Hurricane Harvey, is likely to be far in excess | :05:27. | :05:28. | |
of the 100-billion dollars made available - the storm that | :05:29. | :05:31. | |
devastated New Orleans At least 33 people are now known | :05:32. | :05:33. | |
to have died since the storm Pipelines and fuel production have | :05:34. | :05:43. | |
been shut down and overnight, the owners of a flooded chemical | :05:44. | :05:46. | |
plant warned that it would explode The NHS in England has issued new | :05:47. | :05:54. | |
guidance for the victims of acid attacks. The advice is to report the | :05:55. | :06:01. | |
attack, remove contaminated clothing and rinse the skin immediately. | :06:02. | :06:05. | |
Surgeons say quick treatment is vital in minimising the extent of | :06:06. | :06:10. | |
injuries. Providing appropriate first aid in a timely fashion can | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
have a dramatic effect. Not only because it will reduce the immediate | :06:16. | :06:18. | |
effect of the trauma of the acid on the skin, but also the possibility | :06:19. | :06:19. | |
of unwanted life changing injuries. 20 years ago today Diana, | :06:20. | :06:25. | |
Princess of Wales died in a car crash in Paris | :06:26. | :06:27. | |
after being pursued A range of public events have been | :06:28. | :06:29. | |
organised to remember her death and flowers, cards and other | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
tributes are again being laid Her sons, Princes William | :06:34. | :06:36. | |
and Harry, will mark The Home Office has apologised | :06:37. | :06:38. | |
after telling a 21-year-old who has that he must leave or face | :06:39. | :06:46. | |
the prospect of being jailed. Shane Ridge, of Colne, | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
in Lancashire, was told he had "no lawful basis | :06:51. | :06:52. | |
to be in the UK", according to The blunder occurred when it failed | :06:53. | :06:55. | |
to establish that his mother, who was born in Australia | :06:56. | :07:02. | |
while her family lived there for a short time, | :07:03. | :07:04. | |
had dual Australian-British That's a summary of the latest BBC | :07:05. | :07:06. | |
News - more at 9.30. Thank you very much. We are going to | :07:07. | :07:20. | |
talk to various gay politicians in an exclusive report made by SNP MP | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
Hannah by Dell and a few minutes time. I wonder if you are a gay man | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
or woman, when somebody in the public eye comes out, does that help | :07:30. | :07:31. | |
you? S know your experiences. To the sport, and it is the final | :07:32. | :07:47. | |
day of the transfer window. We always say it is going to be manic, | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
it isn't always manic, but are we expecting it to be hectic today? I'm | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
expecting pure lunacy today, it will be like the wild West. I don't know | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
what it is like working on the money side of sport, but a few players and | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
agents will feel like it is Christmas come early today. It will | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
be pretty tense. Fans waited to see who their clubs are going to bring | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
in, and one who will be the winners, will be the losers? We can barely | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
predict what is going to happen next. There will be a lot of | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
stressed faces on mobile phones and we will try to keep you up-to-date | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
across the day, but it won't be easy. Over ?1.16 billion have | :08:27. | :08:31. | |
already been spent, that is a new record, and the spending will | :08:32. | :08:35. | |
continue, so it is difficult to say where people are going to be going | :08:36. | :08:38. | |
at this stage, but one thing we can bring you is an agreed fee of ?40 | :08:39. | :08:43. | |
million as Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain is now on the verge of joining | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
Liverpool from Arsenal. You won't get much of this today, but it is | :08:48. | :08:54. | |
worth pointing out he has taken a ?60,000 a week smaller offer than he | :08:55. | :08:57. | |
was given by other clubs to join Liverpool. They usually get a lot of | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
bad press, but 15 million over five years, he will be taking less to go | :09:02. | :09:04. | |
to Liverpool, it is the club he supported as a boy, so maybe money | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
isn't everything today. What other things we expecting over the course | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
of the day? Just about every club in the Premier League B link with | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
players at the moment. In the age of social media, we hear lots of | :09:18. | :09:23. | |
rumours, all, to catered at the moment by the international window, | :09:24. | :09:26. | |
the players are dotted all over the world. Alexis Sanchez is in Chile | :09:27. | :09:37. | |
country at the moment, and he has been part of a rejected bid for | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
Manchester City, but that could be as much as ?70 million and could be | :09:42. | :09:45. | |
repeated today. Riyad Mahrez is set to leave Leicester City. Algeria say | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
he has left the international come to formalise a transfer, to wear, we | :09:50. | :09:54. | |
don't know. This is supposedly him at a Paris airport with a fan | :09:55. | :10:00. | |
earlier today, apparently going to Barcelona. But we do know he won't | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
be going to Arsenal. Another saga that can come to an end today, | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
Philippe Coutinho currently away with Brazil, you can see him | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
training here. He could be going to Barcelona for a huge fee. Liverpool | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
have already turned down ?114 million for him. So much going on. | :10:19. | :10:25. | |
Chelsea have had bids rejected for Ross Barkley and Danny Drinkwater. I | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
could go on and on, and to be honest, I will probably have to | :10:30. | :10:35. | |
today. You keep your ion the app. It will be a very busy day indeed. And | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
breathe! Thank you, see later. Next: what happens when | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
politicians come out? Former Scottish Labour leader | :10:45. | :10:45. | |
Kezia Dugdale has exclusively told this programme she had to come out | :10:46. | :10:48. | |
as gay after being The Member of Scottish Parliament - | :10:49. | :10:50. | |
who quit as leader this week - says when she asked for her quotes | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
on her sexuality not to be included in an interview | :10:55. | :10:57. | |
with the Fabian Review, The Fabian Society says it's | :10:58. | :10:59. | |
"very sorry" she was The first ever Conservative | :11:00. | :11:05. | |
MP to come out - Sir Alan Duncan - has told | :11:06. | :11:11. | |
us his sexuality prevented him from getting a role in former | :11:12. | :11:14. | |
Prime Minister They've been speaking to SNP MP | :11:15. | :11:16. | |
Hannah Bardell as part of a report for this programme | :11:17. | :11:22. | |
about gay politicians. We now have a record | :11:23. | :11:28. | |
number of 45 LGBT MP's - that's 1 in every 14 MPs - | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
making Wesminster the gayest I am Hannah Bardell, | :11:33. | :11:35. | |
the SNP MP for Livingston. I came out to myself | :11:36. | :11:49. | |
during the 2015 general election, to family and friends just after, | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
and publicly last year after taking part in this historic photo | :11:55. | :12:00. | |
of LGBT parliamentarians. And since the 2017 general election, | :12:01. | :12:03. | |
there are now a record 45 I am on a mission to meet | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
colleagues who have paved the way for people like me, | :12:08. | :12:15. | |
to look at other politicians' experiences of coming out, | :12:16. | :12:18. | |
the criticism levied against them, and how things have changed for LGBT | :12:19. | :12:20. | |
politicians since the first MP came Over the last 30 years we have seen | :12:21. | :12:23. | |
huge steps forward in gay rights. The age of consent | :12:24. | :12:38. | |
was lowered to 16. We have rights to adopt | :12:39. | :12:44. | |
and to marry, but many politicians who have come out in that time | :12:45. | :12:47. | |
have faced hostility. Sir Alan Duncan is a Foreign Office | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
minister and was the first Conservative MP to publicly come | :12:52. | :12:54. | |
out in 2002. When he came out he was greeted | :12:55. | :12:57. | |
with a mixed reaction, including one article | :12:58. | :13:02. | |
which headlined, "I'm sorry, Mr Duncan, if you're gay, | :13:03. | :13:04. | |
you are not a Tory." He also said he was turned down | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
for a job in government Sir Alan, you were the first | :13:10. | :13:11. | |
Conservative MP in 2002 to come out. What was that experience like and | :13:12. | :13:18. | |
what was the reaction that you got? I had reached the point having been | :13:19. | :13:22. | |
in Parliament for ten years by then that I thought I was senior enough | :13:23. | :13:25. | |
not to be dismissed as irrelevant. But I really had to be honest, | :13:26. | :13:40. | |
I thought, and the time had come When I was first an MP, | :13:41. | :13:43. | |
a senior officer in the party took me out to lunch and was sort | :13:44. | :13:49. | |
of probing, but did not It was like saying have you got | :13:50. | :13:52. | |
a secret criminal record? And someone on the conventional | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
right of politics just And so I thought, right, | :13:58. | :14:03. | |
I'm just going to say it. So you said that you didn't | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
hide your sexuality from your colleagues, | :14:09. | :14:14. | |
but you felt it was Can you talk us | :14:15. | :14:16. | |
through what happened? Well, it's sort of, "Don't make him | :14:17. | :14:23. | |
a whip or a minister because it will all be over the Mail one | :14:24. | :14:27. | |
day, you know." The Daily Mail would be | :14:28. | :14:30. | |
the permanently bouffanted Alan Duncan, or the over-neat | :14:31. | :14:37. | |
Alan Duncan, all these In fact I know I was blackballed | :14:38. | :14:39. | |
from the whips' office in the John Major Parliament, | :14:40. | :14:46. | |
not by him, but by a couple of fellow whips who just thought it | :14:47. | :14:49. | |
would be too high risk. You said afterwards when you came | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
out you had some really interesting, positive reactions, particularly one | :14:54. | :14:55. | |
lady who came to you Someone I met actually | :14:56. | :14:58. | |
at a Conservative Party function came up to me, | :14:59. | :15:02. | |
she was perhaps about 75, and said She said my granddaughter is gay | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
and thank you because I now feel comfortable with it and you have | :15:08. | :15:14. | |
made me feel respectable. Lord Chris Smith made history | :15:15. | :15:25. | |
when he became the first MP of any We brought him together | :15:26. | :15:28. | |
with Nia Griffith, the Labour MP for Llanelli, who also came out | :15:29. | :15:37. | |
when I did last year, and Labour's Chris Bryant | :15:38. | :15:40. | |
who came out in 2000 So, Chris Smith, you came out just | :15:41. | :15:43. | |
a year after I was born, But you were really a pioneer | :15:44. | :15:52. | |
for the LGBT community and obviously you made that very public | :15:53. | :16:04. | |
declaration about your How difficult was that | :16:05. | :16:06. | |
both personally and For nine years, I was the only | :16:07. | :16:10. | |
openly gay member of Parliament. Since then, I haven't regretted | :16:11. | :16:17. | |
making that decision In terms of on the doorsteps | :16:18. | :16:19. | |
in your constituency, Was there any anxiety, | :16:20. | :16:26. | |
were there any comments? I was terrified and no one had | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
ever done this before, so I had no idea what the reaction | :16:33. | :16:35. | |
was going to be. There was no social media in those | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
days, thank goodness. But I did get letters from people | :16:40. | :16:43. | |
all around the country and a lot of them were saying, | :16:44. | :16:49. | |
"Well done, congratulations". But the ones that really | :16:50. | :16:51. | |
meant the most to me "Thank you, it has made | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
it easier for me". Obviously, your friends, family, | :16:57. | :17:06. | |
colleagues, had known for all the time that | :17:07. | :17:09. | |
you were a parliamentarian up until the point that | :17:10. | :17:12. | |
you and I were both in that famous Yes, it's a rather strange | :17:13. | :17:15. | |
situation, really. Bizarrely for me, after a long-term | :17:16. | :17:22. | |
relationship came to an end, It was because I couldn't | :17:23. | :17:25. | |
cope with the grief, not And so bizarrely, that was | :17:26. | :17:31. | |
the moment I came out party and they were then | :17:32. | :17:35. | |
campaigning with me. So you are actually asking other | :17:36. | :17:39. | |
people to defend you as well. You are standing on a list of X | :17:40. | :17:42. | |
amount of councillors standing in one ward or whatever | :17:43. | :17:45. | |
and you are obviously I have got to say, | :17:46. | :17:47. | |
they were fantastic. And, Chris, your experience, | :17:48. | :17:50. | |
you have been such a vocal proponent of LGBT rights, | :17:51. | :17:53. | |
but you were in the clergy before. That I was a priest | :17:54. | :17:59. | |
in the Church of England. Did you feel you had to choose | :18:00. | :18:06. | |
between religion and sexuality? It took me quite a long time | :18:07. | :18:11. | |
to work out that I was gay. I probably wasn't meant | :18:12. | :18:17. | |
to have a girlfriend as I was training to be a priest | :18:18. | :18:23. | |
in the Church of England In the past, the Church of England | :18:24. | :18:26. | |
has always been kind Then it became "We want to know | :18:27. | :18:32. | |
everything about everybody". But that was their sort | :18:33. | :18:38. | |
of strange world. This is why I think there | :18:39. | :18:40. | |
will always still be a moment of coming out because you sit down | :18:41. | :18:43. | |
at a dinner and someone says, And in your head you are | :18:44. | :18:46. | |
going, now do I say, "Fine, | :18:47. | :18:56. | |
thank you very much"? Which is what I did say once | :18:57. | :19:02. | |
to the papal Nuncio and he said, I said, "No, no, I am | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
married to a man." He then said to me here | :19:08. | :19:11. | |
in Parliament, "You are more danger to civilisation | :19:12. | :19:14. | |
than climate change." At the time of recording, | :19:15. | :19:16. | |
Kezia Dugdale was leader She has since resigned, saying | :19:17. | :19:19. | |
it is time to pass on the baton. This is the first time | :19:20. | :19:25. | |
she has spoken publicly You were put in the position | :19:26. | :19:27. | |
where you had to say something before maybe | :19:28. | :19:34. | |
you would have chosen to. I didn't have complete | :19:35. | :19:39. | |
control over coming out. I came out in the middle | :19:40. | :19:44. | |
of an incredibly intense election campaign, it was the 2016 | :19:45. | :19:47. | |
Scottish parliament elections. I'd done an interview | :19:48. | :19:51. | |
with a publication. I've done hundreds of | :19:52. | :19:55. | |
interviews with journalists, I do them every week, | :19:56. | :19:57. | |
and it wasn't the first time I had been asked about my sexuality | :19:58. | :20:00. | |
or about my relationships. I would always answer honestly | :20:01. | :20:02. | |
and then I would say, "But I would prefer you didn't use | :20:03. | :20:05. | |
that, I don't talk about it, And up until that day, | :20:06. | :20:08. | |
everybody had respected that. And then that one journalist | :20:09. | :20:11. | |
decided no, it was a story, speak to a few people, tidy it up, | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
make the best of it that I could, but it | :20:17. | :20:23. | |
wasn't in my control. I do regret that, | :20:24. | :20:25. | |
I think that was unfair. The journalist involved denies | :20:26. | :20:28. | |
being asked to take it out. Kezia, you are one of four out | :20:29. | :20:39. | |
of six Scottish party leaders I mean, that's quite an incredible | :20:40. | :20:42. | |
statistic for a start. Does it make you proud | :20:43. | :20:47. | |
to be part of that group? I am immensely proud, but I think | :20:48. | :20:50. | |
it is worth just contemplating for a second that Nicola | :20:51. | :20:57. | |
Sturgeon, by the very nature of being straight, | :20:58. | :20:59. | |
is in a minority group in Scotland. One of three women, but what immense | :21:00. | :21:01. | |
progress we have made in that time. Obviously, there has been quite | :21:02. | :21:06. | |
a bit of press recently about your relationship | :21:07. | :21:08. | |
with my colleague, SNP Jenny Gilruth, | :21:09. | :21:10. | |
but what was interesting about that was when there | :21:11. | :21:11. | |
was commentary and coverage of two female parliamentarians | :21:12. | :21:14. | |
being in a relationship, it was about two female | :21:15. | :21:16. | |
parliamentarians who were That seemed to be the thing people | :21:17. | :21:17. | |
were upset or intrigued about. Does that in a strange way | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
represent progress to you? I mean, I think it is fascinating | :21:22. | :21:24. | |
when you stop and think about it. People were not in any way bothered | :21:25. | :21:32. | |
that we were together, that the idea that two women | :21:33. | :21:42. | |
were together, they were more intrigued that it was two people | :21:43. | :21:44. | |
from two different political parties and that divide was a much bigger | :21:45. | :21:47. | |
deal than their different Scotland is one of the most | :21:48. | :21:50. | |
progressive countries in the world in terms of LGBT rights, | :21:51. | :21:53. | |
but that was not always the case. Many LGBT people were put off | :21:54. | :21:56. | |
politics because they thought their sexuality was incompatible | :21:57. | :21:59. | |
with a political career. That was the case for my friend | :22:00. | :22:05. | |
and colleague Joanna Cherry QC. So, Joanna, tell us a bit | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
about your coming out. In many ways, I had quite a positive | :22:10. | :22:15. | |
coming out experience, but in relation to my career | :22:16. | :22:18. | |
choices, it definitely affected them because in my teens and early 20s | :22:19. | :22:21. | |
I was a member of the Labour Party and when I was growing up | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
it was really my passionate But when I realised I was gay | :22:26. | :22:28. | |
and I saw what happened to Peter Tatchell in the Bermondsey | :22:29. | :22:32. | |
by-election, the really terrible homophobia that he faced | :22:33. | :22:34. | |
from his main opponents, the Liberal Democrats, | :22:35. | :22:42. | |
but also I think, to be fair, from people inside his own party, | :22:43. | :22:45. | |
I thought to myself as a gay person, a career in politics is not | :22:46. | :22:48. | |
going to be open to me, So I chose instead to concentrate | :22:49. | :22:51. | |
on my legal career. When you got elected in 2015, | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
how did you find the environment I have experienced, | :22:56. | :22:58. | |
like most gay politicians, quite a lot of homophobic | :22:59. | :23:03. | |
abuse on Twitter. But generally in the media, I have | :23:04. | :23:05. | |
not experienced any homophobia. You come to Parliament, | :23:06. | :23:09. | |
you become a politician and your personal life | :23:10. | :23:11. | |
becomes public property. I didn't come into politics to be | :23:12. | :23:13. | |
a professional lesbian, I came into politics to achieve | :23:14. | :23:16. | |
social justice and But on the other hand, I am very | :23:17. | :23:18. | |
proud to be out as a lesbian in politics and I hope that I can be | :23:19. | :23:27. | |
a role model to younger women who can see that you can be an out | :23:28. | :23:31. | |
lesbian in public life. Politicians come out at different | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
stages in their careers. Some feel that in order to fit in, | :23:36. | :23:37. | |
they have to hide their sexuality. That was something I grappled with, | :23:38. | :23:41. | |
so much so that I nearly did not run until my friend and former SNP | :23:42. | :23:45. | |
leader Alex Salmond talked A number of politicians | :23:46. | :23:47. | |
come out later in life. He was married with children before | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
coming out at the age of 54. He is a Conservative | :23:53. | :24:07. | |
MP and the Secretary Obviously because you had been | :24:08. | :24:08. | |
married and had children, that must have been very difficult | :24:09. | :24:15. | |
for you, for them. How did they react to that | :24:16. | :24:17. | |
and how difficult was that? Firstly, my children were very | :24:18. | :24:19. | |
positive that I didn't Because at my age, people think this | :24:20. | :24:21. | |
might be one of those But they were very positive | :24:22. | :24:29. | |
and I think that is because young people have such a completely | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
different outlook. Do you think your life | :24:34. | :24:35. | |
would have been different, your career would have been | :24:36. | :24:37. | |
different, if you had come If I was at this point | :24:38. | :24:39. | |
in my life 20, 30 years ago, it would have been a much | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
more difficult situation. Maybe 20 years ago, I might have had | :24:45. | :24:46. | |
to resign from the Cabinet. I have not really so far | :24:47. | :24:49. | |
encountered any prejudice I have not found any | :24:50. | :24:51. | |
in my constituency either. I met one person on the doorstep, | :24:52. | :24:56. | |
actually in my son's election campaign to the Scottish Parliament, | :24:57. | :24:59. | |
who said that they could not vote Yes, I know, but that is still | :25:00. | :25:02. | |
somewhat surprising. I think obviously, we were not very | :25:03. | :25:32. | |
positive to him and he fundamentally disagreed with that and we left | :25:33. | :25:35. | |
it at that. Following the 2017 general election, | :25:36. | :25:37. | |
the Conservatives chose to form an informal coalition | :25:38. | :25:40. | |
with Northern Ireland's Democratic They hold controversial | :25:41. | :25:42. | |
views on gay marriage. I think one of the concerns I know | :25:43. | :25:53. | |
that people in your own party have expressed are the concerns | :25:54. | :25:57. | |
around dealing with the DUP and what that means, because some | :25:58. | :25:59. | |
of their views have been really abhorrent to people | :26:00. | :26:02. | |
in the LGBT community. I don't think you bring about change | :26:03. | :26:06. | |
by demanding that people do things. You have got to campaign, | :26:07. | :26:09. | |
you have got to seek to influence You have got to encourage voices to | :26:10. | :26:12. | |
be heard and show your solidarity. My final stop is the | :26:13. | :26:33. | |
magical Highlands. It's where my family have come | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
since I was a wee girl on holiday and it is where I had the first | :26:38. | :26:41. | |
conversation with my mum She brought my brother and I up | :26:42. | :26:44. | |
on her own and being politically active herself, has been | :26:45. | :26:53. | |
absolutely instrumental in my One of the things I wanted | :26:54. | :26:55. | |
to talk about was, I suppose, what it was like | :26:56. | :27:02. | |
for you when I came out. Other than I didn't want | :27:03. | :27:05. | |
you to be hurt in any additional way because of that | :27:06. | :27:09. | |
and because you are And in terms of being | :27:10. | :27:12. | |
from a single-parent family I mean, the world has just moved | :27:13. | :27:21. | |
on hugely about all sorts of things And that was a revelation, | :27:22. | :27:32. | |
how long you had been thinking about it and trying to figure it out | :27:33. | :27:36. | |
and the things that inhibited I waited until after the election | :27:37. | :27:39. | |
to tell you, although I pretty well I guess that was because I knew how | :27:40. | :27:53. | |
much you were so involved in my campaign, you were giving me | :27:54. | :28:00. | |
so much support, you were worried about my stress levels, | :28:01. | :28:03. | |
I did not want to add any more worry I thought it was quite | :28:04. | :28:06. | |
sensible in some ways, I have talked to colleagues | :28:07. | :28:15. | |
across the political spectrum whose experiences have in many ways | :28:16. | :28:25. | |
mirrored society's changing But we must be mindful of the work | :28:26. | :28:29. | |
that still needs to be done across our communities, | :28:30. | :28:38. | |
in our country and around the world. And you can read more about that | :28:39. | :28:56. | |
story on the BBC News website. It is the most read story and has been | :28:57. | :28:59. | |
since 6am. Regarding the allegation | :29:00. | :29:01. | |
Kezia Dugdale makes that she felt she was "forced" to come | :29:02. | :29:03. | |
out by a magazine, in a statement that they were "very | :29:04. | :29:05. | |
sorry that Kezia Dugdale was upset The article's author, | :29:06. | :29:09. | |
Mary Riddell, said "at no point | :29:10. | :29:12. | |
during the interview or afterwards did Ms Dugdale ask me not | :29:13. | :29:14. | |
to publish her comments, which were recorded | :29:15. | :29:16. | |
with her agreement. Nor has she ever complained to me | :29:17. | :29:18. | |
that her on-the-record comments relating to her relationship | :29:19. | :29:20. | |
had been published." Lee says, when I came out, I was | :29:21. | :29:41. | |
bullied school. And this from kit, seeing an influential person, it | :29:42. | :29:42. | |
helps normalise it. Graham says he thinks people like | :29:43. | :30:17. | |
Gareth Thomas help, because they are just regular blokes, deems to be | :30:18. | :30:27. | |
least stereotypical. And Luke says, interesting report on gay | :30:28. | :30:31. | |
politicians and the difficulties of being, and even being forced out. | :30:32. | :30:35. | |
Your own inexperience is really welcome. After ten, we will hear | :30:36. | :30:39. | |
more. On the 20th anniversary of Diana's | :30:40. | :30:42. | |
death, we'll talk to her former personal protection officer | :30:43. | :30:47. | |
Ken Wharfe about his memories And the woman who's been on 77 | :30:48. | :30:49. | |
first dates in two years, Your stories of first dates | :30:50. | :30:57. | |
are welcome this morning. Here's Chris in the BBC Newsroom | :30:58. | :31:12. | |
with a summary of today's news. Theresa May says she wants to lead | :31:13. | :31:32. | |
the Conservatives into the next general election. The Conservatives | :31:33. | :31:35. | |
including Boris Johnson have rallied behind her. Labour has accused Mrs | :31:36. | :31:37. | |
May of deluding herself. The former Scottish Labour leader | :31:38. | :31:40. | |
Kezia Dugdale has exclusively told this programme she had to come out | :31:41. | :31:43. | |
as gay after being The MSP | :31:44. | :31:45. | |
says when she asked for her quotes on her sexuality not to be included, | :31:46. | :31:53. | |
her request was ignored. Dugdale is one of a number of | :31:54. | :31:55. | |
politicians asked by this programme about what it was like opening up | :31:56. | :31:58. | |
about their sexuality. A law banning so-called legal highs | :31:59. | :32:01. | |
in the UK is to be reviewed by the Crown Prosecution Service, | :32:02. | :32:04. | |
after the collapse of the first ever contested cases under | :32:05. | :32:07. | |
the new legislation. Two separate trials of people | :32:08. | :32:08. | |
accused of intending to supply nitrous oxide - | :32:09. | :32:10. | |
more commonly known as laughing gas - at music festivals were stopped | :32:11. | :32:13. | |
after the courts heard the drug is exempt because it is used | :32:14. | :32:16. | |
as a medicinal product. The drug charity, Release, | :32:17. | :32:18. | |
claims the new law is Rescuers are searching for up to 40 | :32:19. | :32:20. | |
people thought to be trapped in a collapsed building in India's | :32:21. | :32:29. | |
financial capital, Mumbai. The four-storey building | :32:30. | :32:32. | |
gave way after two days of heavy monsoon rains, | :32:33. | :32:34. | |
which have already resulted The governor of Texas has warned | :32:35. | :32:35. | |
the amount of federal government aid it will need in the aftermath | :32:36. | :32:41. | |
of Hurricane Harvey, is likely to be far in excess | :32:42. | :32:43. | |
of the $100 billion made available for the storm that devastated | :32:44. | :32:46. | |
New Orleans 12 years ago. At least 33 people are now known | :32:47. | :32:48. | |
to have died since the storm Pipelines and fuel production have | :32:49. | :32:51. | |
been shut down and overnight, the owners of a flooded chemical | :32:52. | :33:00. | |
plant warned that it That's a summary of the latest | :33:01. | :33:03. | |
BBC News - more at ten. It's the dreaded final day | :33:04. | :33:14. | |
of the football transfer window but there are plenty of deals that | :33:15. | :33:18. | |
could still be concluded. Leicester City's Riyad Mahrez has | :33:19. | :33:22. | |
been given permission by Algeria to leave the international camp | :33:23. | :33:24. | |
and formalise a transfer. Arsenal won't be the destination | :33:25. | :33:31. | |
though, it's expected Manchester City are reportedly | :33:32. | :33:33. | |
chasing a deal for Alexis Sanchez. They've had a bid of ?50 million | :33:34. | :33:41. | |
rejected but could go back in for him, with his contract | :33:42. | :33:44. | |
at the Emirates finishing Alex Oxlade-Chamberlian | :33:45. | :33:46. | |
will definitely be leaving Arsenal. He's heading to Merseyside to join | :33:47. | :33:51. | |
Liverpool after the two clubs agreed The England midfielder expected | :33:52. | :33:53. | |
to sign a 5 year deal. Maria Sharapova made it | :33:54. | :34:02. | |
through to Round 3 at the US Open. She came from a set down to beat | :34:03. | :34:07. | |
Hungray's Timea Babosh in what's her frist major tournament | :34:08. | :34:10. | |
since returning from When Diana died: "all | :34:11. | :34:12. | |
of us lost somebody", "still the people's princess", | :34:13. | :34:23. | |
"her legacy lives on in her sons", "the popularity | :34:24. | :34:26. | |
of the monarchy is down to her" - just some of the tributes | :34:27. | :34:28. | |
to Princess Diana on the 20th This next film has some flashing | :34:29. | :34:31. | |
images. The body of Diana, Princess | :34:32. | :35:56. | |
of Wales is lying tonight Her close friend Dodi Fayed | :35:57. | :36:04. | |
is being buried in a Muslim cemetery And all less than 24 hours after, | :36:05. | :36:09. | |
by all accounts, one of the happiest Around the wreckage of their lives | :36:10. | :36:15. | |
is already running a bitter debate about what part in her death | :36:16. | :36:22. | |
was really played by the squad of determined photographers | :36:23. | :36:25. | |
who dogged her every step until it all unravelled in the horror | :36:26. | :36:29. | |
of a high-speed crash At seven o'clock this evening, | :36:30. | :36:31. | |
an RAF plane brought her Over time, people seem to forget, | :36:32. | :36:37. | |
or have forgotten, what an amazing thing she did and what an amazing | :36:38. | :37:27. | |
presence she was. She was wonderful in their honour | :37:28. | :37:34. | |
was Harry and I can tell You would have to meet | :37:35. | :37:37. | |
her to understand it. If you ask people who met her, they | :37:38. | :37:42. | |
will tell you how amazing she was. We were lucky to | :37:43. | :37:46. | |
have her as a mother. There's not a day that goes | :37:47. | :37:48. | |
past that we don't think Because she was a massive | :37:49. | :37:50. | |
example to both of us. And it's one of those | :37:51. | :38:03. | |
things that's very sad, but you learn to deal with it | :38:04. | :38:06. | |
and there are plenty of other people out there who have the same or worse | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
problems than we have had. The nicest thing is the fact | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
that she was our mother. She had a public site | :38:15. | :38:17. | |
and a private side, and the private side was very | :38:18. | :38:19. | |
small in comparison to the public side, | :38:20. | :38:21. | |
but the memories we have got of her, | :38:22. | :38:24. | |
we are lucky to have those memories You see her get slated | :38:25. | :38:28. | |
for such and such, but the personal memories | :38:29. | :38:33. | |
we have of her are very much private | :38:34. | :38:35. | |
and that's hopefully Today, St David's Day, | :38:36. | :38:37. | |
we are celebrating a great occasion which promises to become a milestone | :38:38. | :39:07. | |
for the city of Cardiff, for the county of which it forms a part | :39:08. | :39:10. | |
and for the principality. She put everybody first | :39:11. | :39:36. | |
and herself very much last. She was our mother, | :39:37. | :39:39. | |
so we would say that. She did everything because she felt | :39:40. | :39:48. | |
it was right and it was She didn't go by what she thought | :39:49. | :39:51. | |
was the best thing to do or be told to do something, | :39:52. | :39:58. | |
she would do it from the heart We were left in no doubt | :39:59. | :40:00. | |
at all that we were the most After that, it was everyone | :40:01. | :40:06. | |
else, all her charities She loved caring for people | :40:07. | :40:09. | |
and she loved helping. Both of us are really glad | :40:10. | :40:15. | |
we were able to feel that. Really caring, so sweet and very | :40:16. | :40:20. | |
much missed not only by us, And that's all that needs | :40:21. | :40:23. | |
to be said, really. I think one of the hardest things | :40:24. | :40:33. | |
to come to terms with is the fact that the people that | :40:34. | :40:37. | |
chased her into the tunnel were the same people that | :40:38. | :40:41. | |
were taking photographs of her while she was still dying | :40:42. | :40:44. | |
on the back seat of a car. We've been told that numerous | :40:45. | :40:47. | |
times by people that know She'd had quite a severe head | :40:48. | :40:51. | |
injury, but she was very much And those people that caused | :40:52. | :40:57. | |
the accident, instead of helping, were taking photographs of her dying | :40:58. | :41:03. | |
on the back seat. And then those photographs | :41:04. | :41:06. | |
made their way back to news When you have something | :41:07. | :41:08. | |
so traumatic as the death of your mother when you're 15, | :41:09. | :41:13. | |
as, very sadly, many people have experienced and no one | :41:14. | :41:16. | |
wants to experience, It'll either make or break you, | :41:17. | :41:18. | |
and I wouldn't let it break me. I wanted her to be proud | :41:19. | :41:24. | |
of the person I would become. I didn't want her worried, | :41:25. | :41:34. | |
or the legacy to be that William and/or Harry were completely | :41:35. | :41:36. | |
devastated by it and that all the hard work and all the love | :41:37. | :41:39. | |
and all the energy she put into us when we were younger | :41:40. | :41:42. | |
would go to waste. Diana's sons, Princes William | :41:43. | :42:12. | |
and Harry, will be marking the anniversary of | :42:13. | :42:36. | |
her death privately. Yesterday they laid flowers | :42:37. | :42:38. | |
outside her former home - Kensington Palace - | :42:39. | :42:40. | |
and took time to look at some of the many flowers members | :42:41. | :42:44. | |
of the public had left, just He was a bodyguard to | :42:45. | :42:48. | |
Princes William and Harry from 1986 and became Princess Diana's personal | :42:49. | :42:53. | |
protection officer in 1988, In 1997 he oversaw security | :42:54. | :42:55. | |
at Diana's funeral. He has just written a new book about | :42:56. | :43:11. | |
her called Guarding Diana. What is her legacy? I don't think I could | :43:12. | :43:15. | |
put it any better than what we have just seen from her sons. They | :43:16. | :43:19. | |
succinctly tell us all what her legacy is. And it is exactly that. I | :43:20. | :43:26. | |
remember Diana, working with her, as somebody that was fun and caring, | :43:27. | :43:31. | |
and William was right, she put everything away, behind that, her | :43:32. | :43:39. | |
children always came first, and seeing William on his first day at | :43:40. | :43:43. | |
school, it was important for Diana to be there taking him to school and | :43:44. | :43:48. | |
to be there when he came home, which was a real break from the tradition | :43:49. | :43:53. | |
of royal education. And that was her priority. If she could do that, | :43:54. | :43:56. | |
everything else was possible, and her work did come second. Her work | :43:57. | :44:02. | |
certainly was, and it broke new mould in terms of royal duty, but | :44:03. | :44:07. | |
behind all of that, it was always, wherever we were in the country, | :44:08. | :44:11. | |
even abroad, it was, I must get back and see boys, because they were | :44:12. | :44:16. | |
crucial in her life. It is very moving to see those pieces, because | :44:17. | :44:23. | |
no one can argue or disagree with what her sons say, because they were | :44:24. | :44:29. | |
central to her life. She was an incredibly funny woman. The book | :44:30. | :44:32. | |
that I have just written is all about the places we visited, and | :44:33. | :44:38. | |
with new anecdotes all about the fun she had, and I've one particular | :44:39. | :44:42. | |
story that my office, and the room was very near to the nursery, and | :44:43. | :44:46. | |
Harry Kane might one afternoon, looking for something to do or play, | :44:47. | :44:51. | |
and I said, I can't play, I've got a guide with your mother, and then | :44:52. | :44:57. | |
Harry disappeared to the kitchen and asked the chef for something to | :44:58. | :45:03. | |
putting Ken's Bath, and the chef sent up this red car cochineal. So | :45:04. | :45:20. | |
she generated the fun as well as recognising... She generated the fun | :45:21. | :45:24. | |
with her kids, but also with us on tour. These were massive events in | :45:25. | :45:30. | |
this country and abroad, but she was always the entertainment manager in | :45:31. | :45:35. | |
it, and was always find something to make people laugh. And it was a big | :45:36. | :45:38. | |
family, from the chef to the housekeeper, the dresser, the | :45:39. | :45:43. | |
chauffeur. Everyone was an integral part in making this work. And | :45:44. | :45:47. | |
William and Harry were not kept locked up in the nursery away from | :45:48. | :45:51. | |
all of this. They were encouraged to go to the chef, go to see the | :45:52. | :45:55. | |
housekeeper or the bottle, the cleaner, however. And this is what | :45:56. | :46:00. | |
we see, and this is the legacy. She was a very caring person, probably | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
very much at home with the man and woman on the street. She could talk | :46:05. | :46:10. | |
to anyone. She could, and so often, the Queen's representative, the Lord | :46:11. | :46:13. | |
Lieutenant, would say, you must come back and we will have lunch, and she | :46:14. | :46:17. | |
would say thank you, but I would much rather have lunch with people I | :46:18. | :46:22. | |
have come to see. And that is what she was like. And I think what we | :46:23. | :46:26. | |
now see, and particularly with the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh | :46:27. | :46:32. | |
winding down, William and Harry now see their role as an important one, | :46:33. | :46:38. | |
and they are using their mother's template, because they know it is | :46:39. | :46:43. | |
one that works, and it does. Her work ethos that endeared her to the | :46:44. | :46:48. | |
public, not in this country but internationally, it was Strawberry | :46:49. | :46:49. | |
to watch it. Angela says Diana obviously loved | :46:50. | :47:02. | |
her kids. It is so sad. Ian says, as a royal photographer, I remember her | :47:03. | :47:06. | |
laughter, her sense of fun and how she turned from a person being very | :47:07. | :47:11. | |
awkward to a photograph to one who could show great feeling through her | :47:12. | :47:18. | |
imagery. I took William's first official Christmas baby shots. I | :47:19. | :47:21. | |
took some of her last photos at an event before she died and many in | :47:22. | :47:26. | |
between. I remember watching her compete with Charles in photography | :47:27. | :47:31. | |
sessions. Her legacy lives on. How did she change the monarchy, in your | :47:32. | :47:39. | |
view? You had a eye view. -- a bird's eye view. Well, initially, in | :47:40. | :47:45. | |
1981, no one handed her a manual on how to become a royal princess. She | :47:46. | :47:49. | |
was just a natural at it and did the opening of shopping malls so forth | :47:50. | :47:55. | |
and obviously a signed herself to a number of charities quickly. And she | :47:56. | :48:01. | |
did that with relative ease. I remember that trip to Australia a | :48:02. | :48:06. | |
bit before my time and the crowds that were there to stop there was | :48:07. | :48:11. | |
that famous speech with the Prince of Wales, who quipped about it and | :48:12. | :48:14. | |
makes a lot of laughter when he said, the next time I come, I will | :48:15. | :48:21. | |
bring two wives. I think that was a sign, because in my view, the Royal | :48:22. | :48:25. | |
Family were pleased that Diana was on board, as it were, but they have | :48:26. | :48:31. | |
a problem dealing with her popularity. They didn't know how to | :48:32. | :48:36. | |
harness this new arrival. How do we channel this? And what Diana was | :48:37. | :48:43. | |
really after was someone to say, well done, we appreciate what you | :48:44. | :48:48. | |
are doing. Had that been said a bit more, who knows, it may have changed | :48:49. | :48:54. | |
the course of events. But four years after she was there as a princess, | :48:55. | :48:58. | |
she changed and became involved in what she considered to be more | :48:59. | :49:02. | |
important aspects of royal duty by getting involved in the mid-80s into | :49:03. | :49:05. | |
the Aids crisis, which was a big problem for a lot of people at that | :49:06. | :49:11. | |
time. And for a princess to get involved, even the Queen said, why? | :49:12. | :49:17. | |
Why don't you do something nice? It wasn't a criticism, but that was the | :49:18. | :49:21. | |
feeling at the time. But if you get the changes Diana made in that field | :49:22. | :49:25. | |
and her relationship with Elton John, and now Harry himself publicly | :49:26. | :49:29. | |
continuing that legacy by himself getting involved with it, send out a | :49:30. | :49:34. | |
clear message that the legacy is obvious. Thank you very much. | :49:35. | :49:38. | |
We can now speak to our Correspondent Sophie Long | :49:39. | :49:40. | |
who is at Kensington Palace where flowers are | :49:41. | :49:42. | |
Yes, we are outside Kensington Palace by the golden gate. If I move | :49:43. | :49:54. | |
out of the way, you can see that quite a few people have come to lay | :49:55. | :49:58. | |
floral tributes and look at the pictures and read some of the | :49:59. | :50:02. | |
messages that people have been leaving on the 20th anniversary of | :50:03. | :50:09. | |
Diana's death. I was speaking to one couple, a mother and daughter who | :50:10. | :50:13. | |
have come from Bulgaria. They came to London specifically for this | :50:14. | :50:18. | |
occasion, to look back at the 20 years that have passed. John, you | :50:19. | :50:25. | |
have been here since 3am. You are wearing a Diana T-shirt. Tell us why | :50:26. | :50:30. | |
this day is so important to you? Because we are remembering the 20th | :50:31. | :50:34. | |
anniversary, and it's important for us to be here. Her most important | :50:35. | :50:46. | |
legacy was her two sons. We saw them yesterday, talking about them | :50:47. | :50:55. | |
other's work. It is special for us all, because we are here to see it. | :50:56. | :51:02. | |
I was moved by how much William and Harry have them other's ways. She | :51:03. | :51:11. | |
always embraced you. No other royals had done that. She was the first. | :51:12. | :51:18. | |
She was born with two hearts, want to give to people and one for | :51:19. | :51:24. | |
herself. Diana was our special princess, and she is one of the | :51:25. | :51:29. | |
Lord's angels. What does it mean to you to see people from coming from | :51:30. | :51:33. | |
all around the world, two decades after her death? I know you helped | :51:34. | :51:37. | |
design the banner there and you have been here since three in the | :51:38. | :51:40. | |
morning. How important is it that her legacy does end your? Two days | :51:41. | :51:45. | |
ago, I was here and an Indian man and an African man came up to me was | :51:46. | :51:50. | |
that they knew I was here to put flowers down. He said, Diana was a | :51:51. | :51:55. | |
special person. And the Indian person said the same thing. I said, | :51:56. | :52:00. | |
you summed it up. You could put Diana in a room. You could be in a | :52:01. | :52:04. | |
bad mood and she would turn the light switch on and bring happiness. | :52:05. | :52:08. | |
Throughout her life, she brought happiness to everybody. John, thank | :52:09. | :52:17. | |
you very much. People will be coming here throughout the day to pay | :52:18. | :52:24. | |
tribute to Princess Diana. People are pausing and remembering. At ten | :52:25. | :52:33. | |
o'clock, we will bring you all the news and sport. | :52:34. | :52:34. | |
Coming up: And the lady's not for quitting. | :52:35. | :52:36. | |
Theresa May has announced she has no intention of giving up | :52:37. | :52:39. | |
We'll get reaction from members of her party. | :52:40. | :52:48. | |
A chemical plant near the flooded city of Houston is expected | :52:49. | :52:51. | |
to explode or catch fire in the coming days. | :52:52. | :52:54. | |
During heavy rainfall from Hurricane Harvey, | :52:55. | :52:57. | |
the Arkema plant at Crosby lost refrigeration of chemical compounds | :52:58. | :53:02. | |
which need to be kept cool, and there is no way to prevent | :53:03. | :53:05. | |
a possible fire, the company has said. | :53:06. | :53:07. | |
At least 33 people have been killed in the aftermath of the storm, | :53:08. | :53:10. | |
large parts of Houston are under water and 32,000 people | :53:11. | :53:13. | |
And yet more rain is expected to fall. | :53:14. | :53:26. | |
We can speak now to Amanda Trost, | :53:27. | :53:31. | |
who has been delivering food to those in need. | :53:32. | :53:35. | |
You have been fortunate, but not everyone was? Yes. It is about 82 or | :53:36. | :53:45. | |
three mile radius around my house, but there are a lot of people still | :53:46. | :53:50. | |
under water. And how have you been helping? The first couple of days, | :53:51. | :53:55. | |
everyone was stuck in their house. As soon as we could get out on | :53:56. | :53:59. | |
Saturday, we checked on neighbours. The school that I work for sent out | :54:00. | :54:04. | |
an SOS to go employees and students to make sure they were OK and to see | :54:05. | :54:08. | |
if they could volunteer. We provide hot meals for anyone who could get | :54:09. | :54:16. | |
there, and then we took a bunch of meals and drove around as far as we | :54:17. | :54:20. | |
could go in each direction without running into water, to see where | :54:21. | :54:27. | |
food was needed. Thankfully on Tuesday, when we did the same thing, | :54:28. | :54:30. | |
all of the shelters in the area had been filled with supplies and | :54:31. | :54:35. | |
volunteers. So it was neat to see people come out and surpass the need | :54:36. | :54:41. | |
we have had. You are a teacher. In terms of the school where you work, | :54:42. | :54:48. | |
how have the pupils been affected? We started school two days before | :54:49. | :54:56. | |
the storm came and some of the students were already reaching out | :54:57. | :55:04. | |
and making sure people were OK and how they could help each other. We | :55:05. | :55:13. | |
spent quite a bit of time as a community, making sure students were | :55:14. | :55:17. | |
OK and try to confirm that they were safe. The stories we heard are | :55:18. | :55:22. | |
heartbreaking, but it was good to get in contact with people and sleep | :55:23. | :55:26. | |
easier knowing that they are alive and have somewhere to stay. What | :55:27. | :55:32. | |
sort of stories have you heard from your peoples? The thing that sticks | :55:33. | :55:37. | |
out to me most is that, I have never been a Facebook person before, but | :55:38. | :55:42. | |
Facebook became our lifeline in Houston to check on each other. | :55:43. | :55:47. | |
Countless stories from friends and acquaintances and family members | :55:48. | :55:54. | |
that would post" I think we are OK, the water is coming up the driveway" | :55:55. | :56:01. | |
. The next hour" the water is at the front door". And then expose would | :56:02. | :56:07. | |
be "I am stuck and I am scared". It was a helpless feeling to know you | :56:08. | :56:13. | |
can't do anything about it. I think your school is trying to distribute | :56:14. | :56:18. | |
about 250 meals a day, is that right? Correct. That is an amazing | :56:19. | :56:25. | |
effort. There are three campuses, actually. So we are able to reach | :56:26. | :56:32. | |
different parts of the city. Well, thank you for talking to us. | :56:33. | :56:45. | |
Right, some messages from you about the film that SNP MP Hannah Bardell | :56:46. | :56:52. | |
made for us, talking to politicians who have come out. Sarah says, | :56:53. | :56:56. | |
powerful feature on how far parliament and the UK have | :56:57. | :56:58. | |
progressed when it comes to LGBT rights. Annie says this piece was | :56:59. | :57:05. | |
well executed and sensitively handled. Boris says years ago, I | :57:06. | :57:10. | |
asked my maternal uncle, why have I not been asked by anyone if I was | :57:11. | :57:14. | |
gay? He replied, does anyone ask whether the Pope is a Catholic! News | :57:15. | :57:18. | |
and sport on the way. Let's get the latest | :57:19. | :57:20. | |
weather update with Carol. Today is a day of sunshine and | :57:21. | :57:30. | |
showers. It has been a chilly start to the day, but temperatures are | :57:31. | :57:36. | |
rising nicely in the sunshine. The showers could be heavy and thundery. | :57:37. | :57:41. | |
We have had a lot of showers in the West and the south, you can see a | :57:42. | :57:45. | |
cluster of them in north-west England, particularly the Blackpool | :57:46. | :57:48. | |
area, where they have been happy and thundery. But Liverpool is dry as a | :57:49. | :57:56. | |
bone. Showers will become more widespread, some of them again the | :57:57. | :58:00. | |
heavy and thundery, some of them with some hail. In the sunshine in | :58:01. | :58:06. | |
between a feeling quite pleasant, especially across parts of Northern | :58:07. | :58:12. | |
Ireland. For Scotland, prolific showers, but in between we will also | :58:13. | :58:17. | |
see some sunshine. The showers are fairly hit and miss. In northern | :58:18. | :58:21. | |
England, we carry on with the showers. You might be lucky, your | :58:22. | :58:27. | |
friend may not. In the Midlands, East Anglia and the south-east, | :58:28. | :58:31. | |
temperature-wise we are in better shape than yesterday, back to where | :58:32. | :58:40. | |
we should be at around 20 or 21. In the south-west, we have a mixed rub | :58:41. | :58:45. | |
right sunshine and showers, as we do across Wales. Overnight, we will | :58:46. | :58:53. | |
slowly start to lose those showers. There will still be clusters of them | :58:54. | :58:57. | |
near the coast and under clear skies, it will be a cool night. | :58:58. | :59:08. | |
Temperatures may be low enough for a touch of grass frost. A loss of | :59:09. | :59:21. | |
sunshine around, but we will see some showers. Few are towards the | :59:22. | :59:33. | |
West. For Saturday, another chilly start to the day, with another touch | :59:34. | :59:38. | |
of grass frost. A lot of dry weather. Later, the cloud will | :59:39. | :59:46. | |
thicken across Northern Ireland, heralding the arrival of a weather | :59:47. | :59:48. | |
front bringing wet and windy weather. Through the course of the | :59:49. | :59:54. | |
day, it is going to slowly meander eastwards. The further east you are, | :59:55. | :59:59. | |
the drier and brighter it is likely to be. | :00:00. | :00:07. | |
Britain has the gayest parliament in the world - | :00:08. | :00:12. | |
but what's it like for a poltitician when they come out? | :00:13. | :00:15. | |
This morning, Kezia Dugdale, the former leader of | :00:16. | :00:17. | |
Scottish Labour, tells us she was outed by a magazine | :00:18. | :00:19. | |
I didn't have complete control over coming out. | :00:20. | :00:22. | |
I came out in the middle of an incredibly intense | :00:23. | :00:24. | |
It was the 2016 Scottish parliament elections. | :00:25. | :00:27. | |
It wasn't under my control, and I do regret that, | :00:28. | :00:30. | |
Have high-profile gay politicians helped you, I'd? -- helped you out? | :00:31. | :00:49. | |
The Government is being forced rethink its new law introduced last | :00:50. | :00:52. | |
year to ban so-called legal highs after the first contested | :00:53. | :00:54. | |
We will explain the background to the story. | :00:55. | :00:57. | |
It's never easy meeting "the one" - we meet a woman who has been on 77 | :00:58. | :01:01. | |
Do get in touch and let us know tales of your first dates. | :01:02. | :01:06. | |
How many has it taken you to meet Mr or Mrs Right? | :01:07. | :01:21. | |
Chris Rogers is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary | :01:22. | :01:24. | |
The Prime Minister, Theresa May, says she wants to lead the | :01:25. | :01:32. | |
Conservatives into the next general election, saying she is in it for | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
the long-term Mrs May is on a three-day trip to Japan where she | :01:37. | :01:39. | |
spoke to our political correspondent Ben Wright. The second day of the | :01:40. | :01:45. | |
trip is being dominated with discussions on trade, the security | :01:46. | :01:52. | |
operation, UK troops will be training with Japanese troops. But | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
this trip will be remembered for Theresa May's unplanned yet very | :01:57. | :01:59. | |
blunt declaration on her own political future and her intention | :02:00. | :02:07. | |
to lead the Conservative Party into the next general election in 2022, | :02:08. | :02:13. | |
trying to scotch the rumours since the botched general election in June | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
that she is not long in the job. She wants to make it clear now that not | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
only does she want to see Britain through Brexit, but she wants to | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
take it beyond that. People within her party in parliament will be | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
perfectly comfortable with that. There is no clearly Bishop rival | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
waiting in the wings. But long-term, ultimately Theresa May's fate is in | :02:36. | :02:40. | |
the hands of her party, and if they decide that it is untenable for her | :02:41. | :02:44. | |
to be continuing that long into the future, then frankly, she won't be. | :02:45. | :02:47. | |
The former Scottish Labour leader Kezia Dugdale has exclusively told | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
this programme she had to come out as gay after being | :02:51. | :02:52. | |
The MSP says when she asked for her quotes | :02:53. | :03:01. | |
on her sexuality not to be included, her request was ignored. | :03:02. | :03:03. | |
Dugdale is one of a number of politicians asked by this programme | :03:04. | :03:06. | |
about what it was like opening up about their sexuality. | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
A law banning so-called legal highs in the UK is to be reviewed | :03:10. | :03:12. | |
by the Crown Prosecution Service, after the collapse of the first ever | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
contested cases under the new legislation. | :03:16. | :03:16. | |
Two separate trials of people accused of intending | :03:17. | :03:18. | |
to supply nitrous oxide - more commonly known as laughing gas | :03:19. | :03:21. | |
- at music festivals were stopped after the courts heard the drug | :03:22. | :03:24. | |
is exempt because it is used as a medicinal product. | :03:25. | :03:32. | |
Rescuers are searching for up to 40 people thought to be trapped | :03:33. | :03:34. | |
in a collapsed building in India's financial capital, Mumbai. | :03:35. | :03:37. | |
The four-storey building gave way after two days | :03:38. | :03:39. | |
of heavy monsoon rains, which have already resulted | :03:40. | :03:40. | |
The governor of Texas has warned the amount of federal government aid | :03:41. | :03:46. | |
it will need in the aftermath of Hurricane Harvey, | :03:47. | :03:48. | |
is likely to be far in excess of the $100 billion made | :03:49. | :03:51. | |
available for the storm that devastated New Orleans | :03:52. | :03:53. | |
At least 33 people are now known to have died since the storm | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
Pipelines and fuel production have been shut down and overnight, | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
the owners of a flooded chemical plant warned that it would explode | :04:03. | :04:05. | |
20 years ago today, Diana Princess of Wales died in a car crash in | :04:06. | :04:19. | |
Paris after being pursued by photographers. | :04:20. | :04:21. | |
A range of public events have been organised to remember her death | :04:22. | :04:24. | |
and flowers, cards and other tributes are again being laid | :04:25. | :04:26. | |
Her sons, Princes William and Harry, will mark | :04:27. | :04:29. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30. | :04:30. | :04:37. | |
Thank you very much. Do get in touch throughout the programme. We are | :04:38. | :04:49. | |
going to talk to some gay politicians in the next few moments. | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
I will read out some more of your experiences. | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
Does it help if you are gay man or woman? He was back with all the | :04:59. | :05:07. | |
sport. It is the final day of football's transfer window. | :05:08. | :05:10. | |
Over ?1.2 billion has already spent by Premier League | :05:11. | :05:13. | |
clubs in this transfer window - that's a new record - | :05:14. | :05:15. | |
Riyad Mahrez won Player of the Year two seasons ago and he's set | :05:16. | :05:20. | |
Algeria say he's left the international camp | :05:21. | :05:23. | |
Leicester say there haven't been any bids made. | :05:24. | :05:26. | |
This is supposedly him in Paris airport with a fan. | :05:27. | :05:29. | |
He could be going to Barcelona - we do know, though, he won't be | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
That's a move that had long been rumoured. | :05:34. | :05:40. | |
Talisman Alexis Sanchez could leave Arsenal. | :05:41. | :05:41. | |
Their top scorer, with 24 league goals last term, | :05:42. | :05:43. | |
of a ?50 million bid frm Manchester City. | :05:44. | :05:46. | |
It was rejected, but with Sanchez into the final year of his contract, | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain will definitely be leaving Arsenal. | :05:50. | :05:58. | |
He's heading to Merseyside to join Liverpool after the two clubs agreed | :05:59. | :06:01. | |
The England midfielder is expected to sign a 5 year deal. | :06:02. | :06:07. | |
Tottenham are expected to complete the signing of Paris St-Germain | :06:08. | :06:10. | |
defender Serge Aurier for ?23 million. | :06:11. | :06:13. | |
The deal had been held up due to work permit complications. | :06:14. | :06:16. | |
And you can follow all the deals on the BBC Sport website, | :06:17. | :06:19. | |
which will have a live page with updates until the window closes | :06:20. | :06:22. | |
Scotland get another hour till midnight. | :06:23. | :06:27. | |
5 Live have a special programme from seven this evening and there's | :06:28. | :06:30. | |
a special Football Focus at quarter to 11 on BBC One. | :06:31. | :06:38. | |
Kyle Edmund is the last British hope at the US Open. | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
He beat American Steve Johnson in straight sets to get | :06:42. | :06:43. | |
Aljaz Bedene and Cameron Norrie both went out. | :06:44. | :06:49. | |
He injured his shoulder losing to fellow Australian John Millman. | :06:50. | :06:59. | |
It didn't seem to hamper him though when he smashed his racket | :07:00. | :07:02. | |
beyond repair after losing the third set. | :07:03. | :07:03. | |
Kyrios is one of a number of players to have suffered | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
injury trouble recently, with 5 top players having withdrawn | :07:07. | :07:08. | |
The last three months for me has been a nightmare. I said it before, | :07:09. | :07:24. | |
I had such a good Indian Wells, Miami, and then Davis Cup, we had a | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
good win over America, and think things went down hill from there, | :07:29. | :07:31. | |
really. Caroline Wozniacki is out | :07:32. | :07:32. | |
but another former world number one - Maria Sharapova - | :07:33. | :07:34. | |
is through to the third round. The Russian, playing her first | :07:35. | :07:37. | |
Grand Slam since a 15 month doping ban, came from a set down to beat | :07:38. | :07:40. | |
Timea Babos. I know I can do this, I have done it | :07:41. | :07:50. | |
before and I want to have that feeling again. There is also the | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
realistic understanding of you have been in this situation for awhile, | :07:55. | :07:57. | |
it is going to take a little time, so managing the expectations is part | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
of it, and learning as you play the match is something that I haven't | :08:03. | :08:03. | |
done. Remember the BBC Sport website | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
an app has the latest on the transfers - | :08:08. | :08:09. | |
we will have more here This country has the gayest | :08:10. | :08:11. | |
parliament in the world - But what's it like for politicians | :08:12. | :08:19. | |
when they come out? Kezie Dugdale - the former leader | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
of Scottish Labour - has told us she felt | :08:24. | :08:30. | |
forced to come out by a national magazine, | :08:31. | :08:32. | |
and Alan Duncan, the first | :08:33. | :08:33. | |
Tory MP to come out, tells us he feels he was turned down | :08:34. | :08:35. | |
for a job in government They've been speaking | :08:36. | :08:38. | |
to Hannah Bardell - a lesbian SNP MP - | :08:39. | :08:41. | |
for a report on gay politicians. We bought you her full film | :08:42. | :08:44. | |
earlier in the programme - Sir Alan Duncan is a Foreign Office | :08:45. | :08:46. | |
minister and was the first Conservative MP to publicly come | :08:47. | :08:53. | |
out in 2002. When he came out, he was greeted | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
with a mixed reaction, including one article | :08:58. | :09:00. | |
which headlined, "I'm sorry Mr Duncan, if you are gay, | :09:01. | :09:01. | |
you are not a Tory." So, Sir Alan, you were the first | :09:02. | :09:09. | |
Conservative MP in 2002 to come out. What was that experience like and | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
what was the reaction that you got? The time had come where why | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
the hell should it matter? When I was first an MP, | :09:18. | :09:19. | |
a senior officer in the party took me out to lunch and was sort | :09:20. | :09:22. | |
of probing, but did not It was like saying, "Have you got | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
a secret criminal record?" And someone on the conventional | :09:27. | :09:33. | |
right of politics just And so I thought right, | :09:34. | :09:40. | |
I am just going to say it You said you did not | :09:41. | :09:54. | |
hide your sexuality from your colleagues, | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
but you felt it was Can you talk us | :10:00. | :10:01. | |
through what happened? Well, it is sort of, "Oh, | :10:02. | :10:03. | |
don't make him a whip or a minister because it will all be over | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
the Mail one-day." And of course the Daily Mail | :10:08. | :10:09. | |
was always "the permanently bouffanted Alan Duncan, | :10:10. | :10:15. | |
or the over-neat Alan Duncan", I actually think, in fact I know, | :10:16. | :10:17. | |
I was blackballed from the whips' office in the John Major Parliament, | :10:18. | :10:23. | |
not by him, but by a couple of fellow whips who just thought it | :10:24. | :10:26. | |
would be too high risk. At the time of recording, | :10:27. | :10:33. | |
Kezia Dugdale was leader She has since resigned, saying | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
it is time to pass on the baton. This is the first time | :10:37. | :10:42. | |
she has spoken publicly You were put in the position | :10:43. | :10:44. | |
where you had to say something before maybe | :10:45. | :10:50. | |
you would have chosen to. I did not have complete | :10:51. | :10:53. | |
control over coming out. I came out in the middle | :10:54. | :10:58. | |
of an incredibly intense It was the 2016 Scottish | :10:59. | :11:00. | |
Parliament elections. I had done an interview | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
with a publication. I have done hundreds | :11:05. | :11:09. | |
of interviews with journalists, It was not the first time I had been | :11:10. | :11:11. | |
asked about my sexuality or about my relationships | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
and I would always answer honestly and then I would say, | :11:17. | :11:19. | |
"But I prefer you don't use that, I don't talk about it, | :11:20. | :11:22. | |
I don't think it matters." And up until that day everybody | :11:23. | :11:25. | |
respected that and then that one journalist decided no, | :11:26. | :11:28. | |
it was a story. So I just had to suck it up, | :11:29. | :11:31. | |
I had to make some phone calls, speak to a few people, | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
tidy it up, make the best But no, it was not in my control | :11:36. | :11:37. | |
and I do regret that, The journalist involved denies | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
being asked to take it out. And obviously there has been quite | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
a bit of press recently about your relationship | :11:47. | :11:48. | |
with my colleague and friend SNP MSP Jenny Gilruth, | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
but what was interesting about that was when there | :11:54. | :11:55. | |
was commentary and coverage, it wasn't about two female | :11:56. | :11:57. | |
parliamentarians being in a relationship, it was about two | :11:58. | :11:58. | |
female parliamentarians That seemed to be the thing that | :11:59. | :12:00. | |
people were upset or annoyed about. Does that in a strange way | :12:01. | :12:11. | |
represent progress to you? I think it is fascinating | :12:12. | :12:13. | |
when you stop and think about it. People were not in any way bothered | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
that we were together, that the idea was of two women | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
being together, they were more intrigued that it was two people | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
from two different political parties and that divide was a much bigger | :12:28. | :12:29. | |
deal than that sexuality or outlook. On that claim that Kezia Dugdale | :12:30. | :12:36. | |
was forced out by a magazine - the magazine in question, | :12:37. | :12:47. | |
the Fabian Review, told us they're "very sorry" | :12:48. | :12:49. | |
she was upset by the interview. The journalist who wrote | :12:50. | :12:51. | |
the article - Mary Riddell - told us "at no point | :12:52. | :12:54. | |
during the interview or afterwards did Kezia Dugdale ask me not | :12:55. | :12:56. | |
to publish her comments, which were recorded | :12:57. | :12:58. | |
with her agreement. she ever complained to me | :12:59. | :13:00. | |
that her on-the-record comments relating to her relationship | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
had been published." Let's speak now to Hannah Bardell, | :13:04. | :13:05. | |
the SNP MP for Livingston, Stuart Andrew, who has | :13:06. | :13:07. | |
been the Conservative MP for Pudsey since 2010 - | :13:08. | :13:09. | |
he came out in 1998, and Lloyd Russell-Moyle | :13:10. | :13:12. | |
is the Labour MP for Brighton Kemptown - | :13:13. | :13:14. | |
he was elected for the first Welcome all of you. Good morning, | :13:15. | :13:27. | |
hello. I am going to ask you all, and I will start with Lloyd, has | :13:28. | :13:35. | |
your experience of coming out been a positive one? I was out before I | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
stood to be a member of Parliament, and I represent a relatively liberal | :13:41. | :13:47. | |
gay area of the country in many respects, and so for me it was | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
something I went through as a young man here in Sussex, and something | :13:53. | :13:59. | |
that I was quite resigned to. I know a number of my colleagues in local | :14:00. | :14:05. | |
seats, some who are still MPs, some who are no longer MPs, struggle much | :14:06. | :14:11. | |
more. Particularly colleagues who were of an older generation. And I | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
suspect that is changing. But it is difficult still for some politicians | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
I know to feel totally comfortable with coming out, and worried that | :14:21. | :14:26. | |
that then dominates the headlines rather than the policy issues that | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
we are standing on. Stuart Andrew, what about your own experience, | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
positive? I grew up on the island of Anglesey in North Wales, so it was | :14:36. | :14:39. | |
quite remote, and you might imagine back in the 90s, things were very | :14:40. | :14:45. | |
different then. It was quite hard, I have to say, quite fearful of what | :14:46. | :14:50. | |
the repercussions might be. But I was incredibly fortunate to have the | :14:51. | :14:54. | |
support of my family and all of the friends around me were a great | :14:55. | :15:01. | |
support to me. But now I have lived in this constituency for 20 years, I | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
have been a councillor here, prior to becoming a member of Parliament, | :15:06. | :15:10. | |
and I have to say it has been a very positive experience. What I find is | :15:11. | :15:13. | |
that most people want to see how good you are at your job rather than | :15:14. | :15:19. | |
your sexuality. Absolutely. Hannah Bardell, in your film, Joanna Cherry | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
told us that every gay MP receives homophobic abuse still. Yes, and | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
that is surprising in some ways, but Twitter seems to bring out sadly the | :15:30. | :15:35. | |
worst in people at times. But I think it is a signal that, and this | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
programme really shows that the experiences of the MPs mirror | :15:40. | :15:45. | |
society changes and attitudes towards LGBT rights, but it shows | :15:46. | :15:48. | |
there is still a lot of work to do, the fact that people still receive | :15:49. | :15:51. | |
abuse, and I know Joanna has received a lot of it, and so have | :15:52. | :15:56. | |
others. I haven't, my experience was very positive, it was a personal | :15:57. | :16:00. | |
struggle more than a public one. For me it was tied up in being from a | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
single parent family and as a child viewing society as heteronormative, | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
getting sent home with a family tree to fill in your mum and dad, and I | :16:10. | :16:14. | |
thought, I am already strange and different, I don't want to be any | :16:15. | :16:17. | |
more different, they think that has changed a lot as well, so we have | :16:18. | :16:18. | |
moved on. Do you know politicians who are in | :16:19. | :16:32. | |
the closet? I can't think of the top of my head, but things have changed | :16:33. | :16:37. | |
so much that there could be people who have not come to terms with it | :16:38. | :16:46. | |
yet. Lloyd, do you? I wouldn't be able to comment on current | :16:47. | :16:50. | |
politicians. I know very recent former politicians who were still in | :16:51. | :16:55. | |
the closet until only a few years ago. | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
It's a personal issue, but it is harder if you enter politics and you | :17:01. | :17:06. | |
were not out, to then suddenly have to make an announcement. That is | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
something that will hopefully dissipate over time. I am very proud | :17:12. | :17:23. | |
that in Worthing East, we ran a transgender candidate for the Labour | :17:24. | :17:26. | |
Party and the campaign was not about the fact that Sophie was trans-, it | :17:27. | :17:31. | |
was about the issues. But that was not universally supported. There | :17:32. | :17:35. | |
were even people in her own local party that raised eyebrows. So we | :17:36. | :17:42. | |
have a way to go. Stuart, do you think if you are an elected | :17:43. | :17:45. | |
politician in the public eye and you are gay, that you have a | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
responsibility to come out? I would agree with Lloyd. It is a personal | :17:51. | :17:54. | |
decision and you have to weigh up what you think is right for you. In | :17:55. | :18:00. | |
my experience, I felt it was something I had to do. I was beaten | :18:01. | :18:12. | |
up for being gay in 1998, and I realised then, because the media | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
were interested because I had stood for general election in 1997, I | :18:17. | :18:19. | |
thought this was something that could be hanging over me if I want | :18:20. | :18:24. | |
to continue working in politics. So that was what made me decide, and | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
also because I want to look my electorate in the face and say, this | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
is who I am, and be open about it. Lloyd makes a valid point that it is | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
difficult if you have been elected and you are then struggling with the | :18:37. | :18:43. | |
decision over when or if to come out. Do you use gay dating apps? | :18:44. | :18:53. | |
Hannah? I have been on one app which some people use for dating, others | :18:54. | :18:59. | |
use for events. And I did think to myself, is this something I should | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
be on as a politician? And I thought, why not? I am not on there | :19:04. | :19:09. | |
today, I have a partner. I am on there to engage with the community. | :19:10. | :19:15. | |
Lloyd, have you used gay dating apps? Yes, I do. I am a single gay | :19:16. | :19:21. | |
man in Brighton and I sometimes use gay dating apps and go for nice | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
coffee is with people. And sometimes I meet people in bars and sometimes | :19:27. | :19:31. | |
I don't. That is a normal way of life and the point of politicians it | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
is to try to live as your constituents do. Many of my | :19:37. | :19:38. | |
constituents use them and enjoy them. So we need to move away from | :19:39. | :19:47. | |
it being an issue. Stuart, do you object to me asking if you are on | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
Grindr? Well, considering that I am considerably older than Hannah and | :19:54. | :20:01. | |
Lloyd... Hey, you are looking good! Well, I have been with my partner | :20:02. | :20:09. | |
for 17 years. Fair enough. Hannah Bardell, do you think that one day, | :20:10. | :20:13. | |
we might have a gay Prime Minister in Britain? I would like to think | :20:14. | :20:22. | |
so. There is no reason why LGBT people, women, people with | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
disabilities, should not be in senior positions. We have to ask | :20:28. | :20:29. | |
ourselves why they haven't been until now. In Scotland, we are | :20:30. | :20:36. | |
proportionally one of the guest column in the world and one of the | :20:37. | :20:39. | |
most progressive countries in terms of LGBT rights. LGBT candidates have | :20:40. | :20:46. | |
been better than their straight allies in the most recent general | :20:47. | :20:52. | |
election am according to a study -- they did better in the most recent | :20:53. | :20:58. | |
general election. It is a personal choice, but I certainly felt a | :20:59. | :21:03. | |
personal responsibility. We are role models and we have a responsibility | :21:04. | :21:05. | |
to the next generation to make it more equal. On that point, it is | :21:06. | :21:13. | |
still not easy for young people to come out in some parts of the | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
country, and you met a teenager in your constituency. Let's have a | :21:18. | :21:18. | |
look. Hopefully, it makes it easier | :21:19. | :21:19. | |
for young LGBT people to come out. And it's so apparent | :21:20. | :21:24. | |
at the Glitter Cannons, a local group for young LGBT people | :21:25. | :21:28. | |
held in my constituency. After catching up with the group, | :21:29. | :21:31. | |
I spoke to Kieran. Tell us a bit about yourself, | :21:32. | :21:38. | |
how old you are now and how old you were when you came out | :21:39. | :21:41. | |
and what that experience was like. I'm 14, and I came | :21:42. | :21:44. | |
out when I was 13. When I came out to my friends, | :21:45. | :21:46. | |
it was all fine and dandy. Everyone accepted me apart | :21:47. | :21:53. | |
from a few boys in my year. But they don't really | :21:54. | :21:55. | |
bother me any more. When I came out to my mum, | :21:56. | :21:58. | |
because she was the first one I came out to, she got a bit angry | :21:59. | :22:02. | |
and anxious, because she thought I How much of that have | :22:03. | :22:05. | |
you experienced And sometimes it does | :22:06. | :22:08. | |
get to me a bit. But as time passes, | :22:09. | :22:21. | |
I just forget about it. It's been going on for years, | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
because they always suspected I was gay because I've never | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
had a girlfriend. And what have you done | :22:31. | :22:33. | |
about the bullying? Nothing, because it | :22:34. | :22:35. | |
doesn't bother me. I feel like if I tell someone, | :22:36. | :22:42. | |
it will just cause more problems and it will give me more stress | :22:43. | :22:45. | |
to worry about. Talk to me about the Glitter Cannons | :22:46. | :22:47. | |
and how that group is helping you. Before this, I used to be | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
very sad and depressed. But since I've been | :22:52. | :23:02. | |
at Glitter Cannons, I've stopped How important is it, do you think, | :23:03. | :23:09. | |
to have role models, people, whether like myself, | :23:10. | :23:22. | |
MPs or other folk, do you think it's important to have | :23:23. | :23:24. | |
people in public life? You need a role model for motivation | :23:25. | :23:30. | |
for what you want to do in life. Role models make you motivated | :23:31. | :23:34. | |
to be yourself in life, because if they can be themselves | :23:35. | :23:36. | |
in life, you can be Really interesting. Let me read | :23:37. | :23:55. | |
these two e-mails to you all. The first is from Nick. It contains some | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
strong language. Watching your programme this morning and the | :24:01. | :24:02. | |
brilliant feature on gay MPs coming out. When you come out, it never | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
really becomes easy and the fear of homophobia is ever present. I should | :24:08. | :24:12. | |
know. My partner and I were recently the victims of homophobia. Our | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
neighbours sang a song at us including the words fag, queer and | :24:18. | :24:21. | |
fairy, which we recorded, took to the police and eventually, it went | :24:22. | :24:24. | |
to court. However, even with all the evidence we have, and after the CPS | :24:25. | :24:30. | |
had downgraded the offence because they were afraid it was difficult to | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
prove intent, the three magistrates found our neighbours not guilty, as | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
they felt the words satirical, and there was no intent. Peter says, | :24:41. | :24:45. | |
watching your feature about coming out, I came out aged 41, 11 years | :24:46. | :24:51. | |
ago. It took me a long time and a lot of courage to do it. Thankfully, | :24:52. | :24:55. | |
it went better than I had anticipated. I had built it up to be | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
a nightmare scenario and I seriously considered taking my own life. I | :25:01. | :25:04. | |
couldn't see a life ahead being in the closet, and I couldn't see a | :25:05. | :25:10. | |
life ahead as being an out gay man, so taking my life seemed like the | :25:11. | :25:14. | |
best option. I had been married for 23 years to my childhood sweetheart | :25:15. | :25:18. | |
from the age of ten, and we had three children. They were all | :25:19. | :25:22. | |
brilliantly supportive, although it was an upsetting time for me and my | :25:23. | :25:30. | |
then wife. It's a real challenge for many people, Hannah. It is. What | :25:31. | :25:36. | |
Kieran's interview shows is that there are still challenges. We have | :25:37. | :25:40. | |
come a long way, there wasn't anything like that group when I was | :25:41. | :25:44. | |
growing up and I am sure colleagues across the political spectrum, it | :25:45. | :25:47. | |
makes me proud that we have something like that in Livingston, | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
but it shows me how many young people there are out there and like | :25:52. | :25:54. | |
those who have e-mailed in who are still struggling. So it is about | :25:55. | :25:58. | |
visibility and role models, but it's also about having a more inclusive | :25:59. | :26:02. | |
society in general and saying we need to be more accepting. We cannot | :26:03. | :26:07. | |
lock people out of society because of their sexuality, their religion, | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
the colour of their skin, their disability, and continuing to push | :26:12. | :26:15. | |
those boundaries. Quick reaction from at least two out of three of | :26:16. | :26:22. | |
you. I can't ask our Conservative MP for his reaction to Theresa May | :26:23. | :26:28. | |
saying she will be leader of the Conservative Party into the next | :26:29. | :26:31. | |
general election, because he is a government whip. He is part of the | :26:32. | :26:36. | |
leadership office, so it might be unfair to put him on the spot. Let | :26:37. | :26:46. | |
me ask Hannah and Lloyd, as a Labour MP, what do you think of Theresa | :26:47. | :26:51. | |
May's comments? I say bring it on. She's a dead woman walking, as | :26:52. | :26:57. | |
Osborne said, and if she wants to run the Conservative Party until the | :26:58. | :27:00. | |
next election, I think people will make sure she is booted out. She has | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
flip-flopped on so many things, it is no surprise that she has changed | :27:06. | :27:08. | |
her mind on this. It seems she does not have the support of all of her | :27:09. | :27:13. | |
party. Grant Shapps' comments this morning were very telling. Time will | :27:14. | :27:18. | |
tell. Thank you all for coming on the programme. | :27:19. | :27:19. | |
Let's talk more now about Theresa May's future. | :27:20. | :27:27. | |
Katie Perrior, a former Press Secretary | :27:28. | :27:36. | |
I think Theresa May's position has not really changed. She's not going | :27:37. | :27:49. | |
to quit. She is in the middle of Brexit negotiations, so she needs to | :27:50. | :27:53. | |
show a strong hand. But if the Conservative Party at any time in | :27:54. | :27:56. | |
the future want to put forward other candidates, that is for them to do. | :27:57. | :28:04. | |
And if she is ask the question, are you going to lead the party into the | :28:05. | :28:07. | |
next general election, it is like asking the England manager if they | :28:08. | :28:10. | |
are going to win the next game. There are not many answers you can | :28:11. | :28:16. | |
give. You can avoid the question or you can address it head-on. When she | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
goes on a trip to Japan or any foreign trips, they are very well | :28:22. | :28:25. | |
scripted answers. They will know the media would want a response to the | :28:26. | :28:31. | |
Daily Mirror story last week, whereby they picked the date out of | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
thin air and said she would be leaving in August of when to 19. She | :28:36. | :28:40. | |
responded strongly to that and said there is no date planned for her to | :28:41. | :28:44. | |
leave. And there was no vacancy at the top of the Conservative Party. | :28:45. | :28:47. | |
Conservative MPs love to plot. It is a bit like an addiction to crack | :28:48. | :28:51. | |
cocaine, they can't get enough of it, but I don't think it will come | :28:52. | :28:54. | |
to much. I don't sense that there is any appetite to replace Theresa May. | :28:55. | :29:03. | |
Thank you very much. We will bring you the latest headlines in a | :29:04. | :29:08. | |
moment. Let me bring you this news from Texas. Two explosions have been | :29:09. | :29:14. | |
reported at a chemical plant. AFP are reporting this, a French news | :29:15. | :29:19. | |
agency. They say local emergency officials reported two explosions at | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
a flood of chemical plant in the Texas town of Crosby. At two a:m., | :29:24. | :29:29. | |
we were notified of two explosions and black smoke coming from the | :29:30. | :29:36. | |
plant. As a precautionary measure, officials had already ordered the | :29:37. | :29:42. | |
evacuation of an area of three kilometres around organic peroxide | :29:43. | :29:48. | |
plant, which operators said was at risk of exploding due to a critical | :29:49. | :29:54. | |
issue triggered by Hurricane Harvey's torrential rains. | :29:55. | :30:05. | |
The area had already been evacuated, thank goodness, and the operators | :30:06. | :30:11. | |
new there was potentially the risk of an explosion because of those | :30:12. | :30:13. | |
torrential rains. Theresa May says she wants to leave | :30:14. | :30:25. | |
the Conservatives into the next general election, saying she's in it | :30:26. | :30:31. | |
for the long-term. Prime Minister is currently on a three-day visit to | :30:32. | :30:35. | |
Japan. Senior Conservatives including Boris Johnson have | :30:36. | :30:37. | |
publicly rallied behind her. Labour has accused her of deluding herself. | :30:38. | :30:43. | |
The former Scottish Labour leader Kezia Dugdale has exclusively told | :30:44. | :30:46. | |
this programme she had to come out as gay after being | :30:47. | :30:48. | |
The MSP says when she asked for her quotes | :30:49. | :30:51. | |
on her sexuality not to be included, her request was ignored. | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
A law banning so-called legal highs in the UK is to be reviewed | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
by the Crown Prosecution Service, after the collapse of the first ever | :31:00. | :31:02. | |
contested cases under the new legislation. | :31:03. | :31:03. | |
Two separate trials of people accused of intending | :31:04. | :31:05. | |
to supply nitrous oxide - more commonly known as laughing gas | :31:06. | :31:08. | |
- at music festivals were stopped after the courts heard the drug | :31:09. | :31:11. | |
is exempt because it is used as a medicinal product. | :31:12. | :31:23. | |
A residential building has collapsed in a crowded part of Mumbai, killing | :31:24. | :31:32. | |
seven people. Rescuers searching for many more people. | :31:33. | :31:34. | |
The four-storey building gave way after two days | :31:35. | :31:36. | |
of heavy monsoon rains, which have already resulted | :31:37. | :31:37. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. | :31:38. | :31:45. | |
It's the dreaded final day of the football transfer window | :31:46. | :31:49. | |
but there are plenty of deals that could still be concluded. | :31:50. | :31:52. | |
Leicester City's Riyad Mahrez has been given permission by Algeria | :31:53. | :31:54. | |
to leave the international camp and formalise a transfer. | :31:55. | :31:58. | |
Arsenal won't be the destination though, it's expected | :31:59. | :32:00. | |
Manchester City are reportedly chasing a deal for Alexis Sanchez. | :32:01. | :32:05. | |
They've had a bid of ?50 million rejected but could go back | :32:06. | :32:08. | |
in for him, with his contract at the Emirates finishing | :32:09. | :32:11. | |
Tottenham are expecting to complete the signing of Serge Aurier, that | :32:12. | :32:30. | |
had been held up due to permit convocations. | :32:31. | :32:34. | |
Maria Sharapova made it through to Round 3 at the US Open. | :32:35. | :32:37. | |
She came from a set down to beat Hungray's Timea Babos | :32:38. | :32:39. | |
in what's her frist major tournament since returning from | :32:40. | :32:41. | |
I will be back with more after 11 o'clock. Thank you very much. | :32:42. | :32:47. | |
The number of serious incidents involving ambulance patients has | :32:48. | :32:49. | |
An investigation by the BBC found these incidents include | :32:50. | :32:53. | |
an allegation of rape, a wheel falling off an ambulance | :32:54. | :32:57. | |
and the death of a patient after paramedics lost the keys | :32:58. | :32:59. | |
Let's talk to Jonathan Fox, a paramedic for more than 30 years, | :33:00. | :33:08. | |
years, now semi-retired, and Alan Lofthouse, a former | :33:09. | :33:11. | |
paramedic and the ambulance lead with the union Unison. | :33:12. | :33:17. | |
Why do you think these incidents are rising? We have seen a 30% increase | :33:18. | :33:24. | |
in demand an Ambulance Services, and that was, the same time as the | :33:25. | :33:28. | |
Government has only increased the funding by 15%. The main thing to | :33:29. | :33:33. | |
think about is these incidents RF, and they need to be looked into. | :33:34. | :33:39. | |
These are highly dedicated professional staff dealing with | :33:40. | :33:42. | |
emergency care, and lessons need to be learned and shared among other | :33:43. | :33:47. | |
staff. Jonathan Fox, how do you react to the nature of some of these | :33:48. | :33:52. | |
incident, the allegation of a patient being raped, paramedics | :33:53. | :33:58. | |
losing the keys to the vehicle? There is a human dynamic to this, | :33:59. | :34:01. | |
but I agree with your Unison colleague. The Ambulance Service is | :34:02. | :34:08. | |
responding to nearly 7 million calls a year, and thankfully these serious | :34:09. | :34:12. | |
incidents is a very small, but nevertheless they need to be | :34:13. | :34:14. | |
investigated. One thing you must remember is it is not on the | :34:15. | :34:18. | |
individual that the onus of responsibility is, but also a | :34:19. | :34:21. | |
corporate responsibility, and trusts end up being the recipients as well. | :34:22. | :34:30. | |
In terms of potentially trying to moderate or reduce the workload of | :34:31. | :34:34. | |
paramedics, is it simply down to money, recruiting more? The | :34:35. | :34:38. | |
Ambulance Service has become the default service as people struggle | :34:39. | :34:41. | |
to get appointments with GPs. They look to the Ambulance Service much | :34:42. | :34:45. | |
more, and mental health services are still being built. More ambulances | :34:46. | :34:51. | |
are needed, more staff, and we have a situation where it is pretty | :34:52. | :34:54. | |
intolerable out their family lets workers, and many are taking the | :34:55. | :34:58. | |
decision to leave and do other work. We need to do something to stem the | :34:59. | :35:02. | |
levers that are leaving the service. Thank you both very much. | :35:03. | :35:10. | |
Before the end of the programme we are going to talk about the final | :35:11. | :35:14. | |
day of the football transfer window and the massive amounts of money | :35:15. | :35:17. | |
swirling around, and maybe acknowledging that that is a good | :35:18. | :35:22. | |
thing for football and football supporters. Your views are welcome. | :35:23. | :35:25. | |
Now let's speak to the woman who's been on 77 first dates in two years | :35:26. | :35:29. | |
I don't know what she has been looking for. | :35:30. | :35:35. | |
How are you. What are you looking for? I'm good, thank you. What am I | :35:36. | :35:51. | |
looking for, good question. I would say someone with a good sense of | :35:52. | :35:55. | |
humour is a must, not someone that takes himself too seriously, because | :35:56. | :36:00. | |
clearly I don't. I also find ambition really attractive in men, | :36:01. | :36:03. | |
someone that in their work is ambitious but also in their personal | :36:04. | :36:10. | |
life, wants to try new things, go to new places, I could be with someone | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
who just says, I don't mind where we go, or just happy doing the same | :36:16. | :36:21. | |
thing. I would also say dress sense, nice dresser, that is important, | :36:22. | :36:24. | |
someone who takes pride in their appearance. And out of those 77 | :36:25. | :36:29. | |
first dates, you haven't found somebody who is a little bit of all | :36:30. | :36:35. | |
of those? Not really. It is also a feeling that you get when you have a | :36:36. | :36:38. | |
first date and you are excited to see them again. I have been on | :36:39. | :36:46. | |
second and third dates, but it hasn't been passed that because I | :36:47. | :36:49. | |
haven't felt buttocks item at where I think it could go somewhere. I | :36:50. | :36:53. | |
feel for you, because you know we need go on a first date, you build | :36:54. | :36:56. | |
yourself up, you do your heroine make up, you think about what you're | :36:57. | :37:01. | |
going to wear. 77 times, you have done that! And you are still single. | :37:02. | :37:10. | |
Yes, when you put it like that! Let's imagine there is a swathe of | :37:11. | :37:12. | |
single young blokes watching you right now and thinking, OK, I don't | :37:13. | :37:21. | |
wear brown shoes, I might do for her. What are your top tips for | :37:22. | :37:26. | |
those guys watching right now? Just someone that wants to get to know | :37:27. | :37:30. | |
me, and... If someone wants to try something | :37:31. | :37:42. | |
new, a new place, or maybe an activity date. Where something nice, | :37:43. | :37:52. | |
a nice shirt, jeans, smart shoes, and just be yourself, really, I | :37:53. | :37:57. | |
think. It is always weird when someone says be yourself, because | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
you try, but we have lost her anyway. Be yourself. | :38:02. | :38:04. | |
Tonight, the most expensive football transfer window ever closes | :38:05. | :38:07. | |
as Premier League clubs splash the cash. | :38:08. | :38:09. | |
We'll be looking at the most eye-watering deals. | :38:10. | :38:17. | |
Is it time to acknowledge that the money in the game is now a good | :38:18. | :38:20. | |
thing? The government is being forced | :38:21. | :38:23. | |
to think again about a new law it brought in last year to ban | :38:24. | :38:28. | |
so-called legal highs. The law bans the production | :38:29. | :38:31. | |
or the sale of any substance that affects a person's mental state | :38:32. | :38:33. | |
or behaviour but in the first case of its kind a judge has ruled | :38:34. | :38:36. | |
that they can't do that. The case collapsed and now there's | :38:37. | :38:39. | |
to be a review by Crown prosecutors I'm joined in the studio | :38:40. | :38:42. | |
now by Mike Trace, a former deputy drugs tsar and chief | :38:43. | :38:52. | |
executive of the Forward Trust of Legal Services at Release, | :38:53. | :38:55. | |
the national centre Welcome to the programme. How do you | :38:56. | :39:05. | |
react first of all to this case collapsing? It is Kirsty. I beg your | :39:06. | :39:15. | |
pardon, I'm so sorry. We warned the Government when we were bringing in | :39:16. | :39:17. | |
the draft legislation that the ability to bring in a ban on | :39:18. | :39:23. | |
psychoactive substances was unworkable, so it is unsurprising. | :39:24. | :39:28. | |
And Nic Ede with the particular collapse of this case is it was to | :39:29. | :39:32. | |
do with nitrous oxide, which is laughing gas, which if you look at | :39:33. | :39:35. | |
the legislation actually says there is an exemption for medical use. As | :39:36. | :39:39. | |
Kirsty says, this could have been predicted. The Government were | :39:40. | :39:43. | |
trying to do something reasonable last year in trying to say we need | :39:44. | :39:48. | |
to encompass all categories of drugs in one legislation, but you then | :39:49. | :39:53. | |
have to write definitions of what you mean by psychoactive drugs, and | :39:54. | :39:56. | |
those are broad categories that are going to be challenged, and this is | :39:57. | :40:00. | |
the first challenge and succeeded in court. OK. So it makes you wonder | :40:01. | :40:06. | |
why the CPS brought the case, doesn't it? Absolutely, and | :40:07. | :40:12. | |
particularly in the most recent case yesterday, it was the prosecution's | :40:13. | :40:16. | |
own expert that agreed that nitrous oxide fell into medical exemption, | :40:17. | :40:20. | |
so it is surprising they didn't check that before going to court and | :40:21. | :40:24. | |
wasting time and resources. Does that mean there will have to be a | :40:25. | :40:28. | |
rewrite of the legislation? It is going to be very challenging to try | :40:29. | :40:33. | |
to ban so-called legal highs. Certainly a rethink is necessary, | :40:34. | :40:37. | |
but what that leads to, the Government will have to take it | :40:38. | :40:40. | |
forward. What they are trying to do with this act was get some control | :40:41. | :40:45. | |
over a market that had lots of different substances in it, new | :40:46. | :40:51. | |
substances being invented a weekly basis. What looks to have happened | :40:52. | :40:58. | |
is that their attempt to do that by including all psychoactive | :40:59. | :41:01. | |
substances under one single legislation is now called into | :41:02. | :41:04. | |
question. What they do about it obviously depends on what we want | :41:05. | :41:07. | |
the drug laws to achieve, and what we try to do is reduce the harm that | :41:08. | :41:12. | |
comes from drug use, particularly in terms of what we used to call legal | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
highs. There are overdoses, psychosis, and we want to minimise | :41:18. | :41:21. | |
the health harms that people have. Whether this law has achieved that, | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
we don't know, because there is no real clear evaluation, but certainly | :41:26. | :41:29. | |
doesn't seem to have stopped the problem from the perspective of us | :41:30. | :41:32. | |
treatment agencies, there Rhys Turner problem out there. So the | :41:33. | :41:35. | |
legislation so far has made no difference? They have achieved their | :41:36. | :41:43. | |
initial aim of closing down some of these retail outlets that were legal | :41:44. | :41:48. | |
last year. But it looks like the trade has gone underground and there | :41:49. | :41:52. | |
is still a trade, and my area of interest, which is people who were | :41:53. | :41:56. | |
marginalised from society, prisoners, homeless people, the | :41:57. | :41:59. | |
level of use seems to have gone up since last year. Kirsty, as you are | :42:00. | :42:06. | |
ahead of the national expertise on drug law, what is the impact from | :42:07. | :42:09. | |
your own experience of this legislation? None that we can see. | :42:10. | :42:16. | |
But we know that as well, that if we are looking at wider drug policy, | :42:17. | :42:20. | |
the Government themselves know that, they had their own investigation. So | :42:21. | :42:24. | |
it isn't just a young piece of legislation? No, it is the | :42:25. | :42:29. | |
Government's whole attitude to John policy. They had their own report in | :42:30. | :42:35. | |
2014, and came to their conclusion that there was no significant | :42:36. | :42:37. | |
correlation between the law enforcement approach that country | :42:38. | :42:40. | |
takes and the levels of use in that country. So if law enforcement is | :42:41. | :42:46. | |
causing harm by criminalising people and disproportionately affecting | :42:47. | :42:52. | |
black and ethnic minority communities, then those are wider | :42:53. | :42:55. | |
harms that are being caused without achieving the aimed that the | :42:56. | :43:00. | |
Government set out to do. So if you were in charge of drugs policy in | :43:01. | :43:03. | |
this country, what would your approach be? We need to have a | :43:04. | :43:08. | |
complete rethink. Meaning what? Looking at different models. The | :43:09. | :43:14. | |
first step would be to decriminalise personal possession of all drugs to | :43:15. | :43:18. | |
remove the harms of criminal records. And bring problematic drug | :43:19. | :43:22. | |
use into the public health sphere and look at recreational drug use in | :43:23. | :43:27. | |
terms of education and reducing the harms of that. When something is | :43:28. | :43:31. | |
illegal, then people don't access accurate advice and they also don't | :43:32. | :43:35. | |
go to treatment services because they are scared of being | :43:36. | :43:39. | |
criminalised. I'm reading a Home Office statement. Nitrous oxide is | :43:40. | :43:42. | |
covered by the psychoactive substances act and is illegal to | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
supply for its psychoactive effect. However the act provides an | :43:47. | :43:53. | |
exemption for medical products. Whether a substance is covered by | :43:54. | :43:56. | |
this is based on the circumstances of each individual case. And it goes | :43:57. | :44:01. | |
on to talk about the legislation, since the psychoactive substances | :44:02. | :44:04. | |
act came into force last you, over 300 retailers have either closed | :44:05. | :44:08. | |
down or are now no longer selling the stuff. Able have arrested the | :44:09. | :44:14. | |
suppliers, and action by the agency has based in the removal of UK-based | :44:15. | :44:19. | |
websites. It goes on, these dangerous trucks have already cost | :44:20. | :44:23. | |
far too many lives, and the act is sending out a clear message. This | :44:24. | :44:27. | |
Government will take whatever action is necessary to keep our families | :44:28. | :44:31. | |
and communities safe. You said they close down various retailers, but | :44:32. | :44:35. | |
the blaster using it. Yes, that is the dilemma for governments around | :44:36. | :44:40. | |
the world, you can close down shops and websites, but the fundamental | :44:41. | :44:44. | |
market still goes round. What we are trying to achieve his less harm from | :44:45. | :44:48. | |
that market, less people dying, less people having health problems | :44:49. | :44:51. | |
associated with their drug use. Those indicators will tell us | :44:52. | :44:55. | |
whether laws are helping or not. In the case of new psychoactive | :44:56. | :45:00. | |
substances, we know from our experience at Forward Trust the | :45:01. | :45:04. | |
people we deal with, prisoners, homeless, marginalised people, they | :45:05. | :45:07. | |
are getting access to these drugs at a greater rate than they ever have. | :45:08. | :45:12. | |
The other thing we worry about is purity and potency. One of the | :45:13. | :45:16. | |
indicators of harms is how pure or potent any drug use, whether it is | :45:17. | :45:25. | |
mephedrone, cannabis, the more pure and potent, the more likely harms | :45:26. | :45:28. | |
you will get. One of the real risks of taking a Criminal Justice Act | :45:29. | :45:30. | |
approach is you are creating... I apologise for interrupting, because | :45:31. | :45:34. | |
we are going to Japan where the Prime Minister Theresa May is | :45:35. | :45:36. | |
holding a news conference. TRANSLATION: We are now living in an | :45:37. | :45:50. | |
age of change and uncertainty. The international order founded on the | :45:51. | :45:54. | |
rule of law is faced with serious challenges in a variety of ways. In | :45:55. | :46:01. | |
this context, there is a growing importance of cooperation between | :46:02. | :46:07. | |
Japan and the UK, which are global strategic partners sharing basic | :46:08. | :46:11. | |
values like democracy, rule of law, human rights and so forth. North | :46:12. | :46:18. | |
Korea resorted to an outrageous act of launching a missile that flew | :46:19. | :46:25. | |
over our nation. This is an unprecedented and serious threat. We | :46:26. | :46:31. | |
do not tolerate the nuclear and missile development by North Korea. | :46:32. | :46:42. | |
Today, to increase our pressure on North Korea, we agreed with Prime | :46:43. | :46:49. | |
Minister May to strengthen the pressure and to that end to seek | :46:50. | :47:00. | |
China. Today, we issued our joint statement demonstrating our resolute | :47:01. | :47:05. | |
determination of our two nations, which is also an important outcome | :47:06. | :47:11. | |
of our discussion. Three today's talks, Prime Minister May and I | :47:12. | :47:14. | |
agreed to advance Anglo Japanese relations to a new stage, centred on | :47:15. | :47:20. | |
the areas of security, economy and global prosperity and growth. We | :47:21. | :47:31. | |
issued a joint vision statement on security cooperation and cooperation | :47:32. | :47:41. | |
for prosperity. Firstly on security, we as partners in maritime stability | :47:42. | :47:52. | |
agreed on elevating our security cooperation to a new height | :47:53. | :47:54. | |
including cooperation on ensuring a free and open in the Pacific Ocean. | :47:55. | :48:01. | |
This is of great significance for the peace and stability of the | :48:02. | :48:09. | |
world. I welcome Prime Minister May strengthening her engagement in the | :48:10. | :48:15. | |
Pacific region. Great Britain is an important player in the Asia | :48:16. | :48:23. | |
Pacific. Henceforward, we will be promoting cooperation in areas such | :48:24. | :48:28. | |
as joint exercise, defence equipment technology cooperation and support | :48:29. | :48:36. | |
for capacity building. In the area of counterterrorism and cyber | :48:37. | :48:42. | |
attacks, I confirm to have closer collaboration with Prime Minister | :48:43. | :48:49. | |
May. For the successful delivery of the 2019 Rugby World Cup and 2020 | :48:50. | :48:54. | |
Olympic and Paralympic Games in Tokyo, we agreed to promote | :48:55. | :48:57. | |
knowledge sharing in these fields with the UK, which has a wealth of | :48:58. | :49:01. | |
experience in hosting the Rugby World Cup and the London Olympic and | :49:02. | :49:06. | |
Paralympic Games. We also discussed the situation in East and South | :49:07. | :49:12. | |
China Seas, and reaffirmed the close collaboration between us to maintain | :49:13. | :49:20. | |
the rules -based international order upon concurring on our opposition to | :49:21. | :49:28. | |
the attempt to alter the status quo. Second, on the economic partnership, | :49:29. | :49:38. | |
the fact that after the decision on Brexit, Japanese companies are | :49:39. | :49:41. | |
continuing to make new investment into the United Kingdom shows the | :49:42. | :49:49. | |
profound trust that Japanese companies have towards the British | :49:50. | :49:56. | |
economy. It is important for the world economy to realise Brexit from | :49:57. | :50:01. | |
the EU which is smooth and successful. With this in mind, I | :50:02. | :50:06. | |
have asked Prime Minister May for her considered commitment to | :50:07. | :50:13. | |
ensuring transparency and do ability as to minimise its impact on | :50:14. | :50:16. | |
business activities including Japanese companies. We also agree to | :50:17. | :50:24. | |
have further enhancement of the dialogue between the two nations for | :50:25. | :50:28. | |
the strengthening of the bilateral economic relations after Brexit. | :50:29. | :50:37. | |
Lastly, but not least, in the area of cooperation for prosperity and | :50:38. | :50:42. | |
growth of the world, common challenges of our two nations such | :50:43. | :50:45. | |
as ageing with low fertility and women's empowerment are issues which | :50:46. | :50:51. | |
sooner or later, other countries will be facing. With respect to how | :50:52. | :50:55. | |
we are going to counter these issues, I find it of great | :50:56. | :51:01. | |
significance that I agreed with Prime Minister May to lead the | :51:02. | :51:05. | |
international efforts for knowledge sharing through Anglo Japanese | :51:06. | :51:08. | |
collaboration. Today, we were able to embark upon a step towards the | :51:09. | :51:14. | |
new stage of co-operatives relationships on a global scale as | :51:15. | :51:19. | |
we look towards the future founded on a historical connection between | :51:20. | :51:26. | |
Japan and the United Kingdom. Here in Asia, we will be feeling the | :51:27. | :51:32. | |
presence of the United Kingdom even closer than ever as a presence which | :51:33. | :51:41. | |
is to be trusted. The reverse is true as well. Japan will proactively | :51:42. | :51:45. | |
engage with the British issues that the UK is faced with in Europe as | :51:46. | :51:51. | |
well as global ones, and will contribute in their solution in | :51:52. | :51:57. | |
partnership with the United Kingdom. It is a great pleasure that I am | :51:58. | :52:01. | |
here to witness together with Prime Minister May the dawning of a new | :52:02. | :52:05. | |
era in our bilateral relationship. Going forward, I wish to seek the | :52:06. | :52:11. | |
advancement of the Anglo-Japanese relations hand-in-hand with Prime | :52:12. | :52:16. | |
Minister May. Thank you. Prime Minister May, the floor is yours. | :52:17. | :52:23. | |
Thank you, Prime Minister Abe call for welcoming me to Kyoto and Tokyo. | :52:24. | :52:28. | |
The cooperation between our countries is particularly important | :52:29. | :52:33. | |
at this critical juncture, with North Korean provocation presenting | :52:34. | :52:37. | |
an unprecedented threat to international security. I want to | :52:38. | :52:40. | |
begin by expressing the UK's strong sense of solidarity with the | :52:41. | :52:46. | |
Japanese people at this time. The UK and Japan are natural partners. We | :52:47. | :52:53. | |
share common interests as outward looking, democratic, free trading | :52:54. | :52:57. | |
island nations with global reach. We are committed to the rules -based | :52:58. | :53:03. | |
international system, free and open international trade and the | :53:04. | :53:06. | |
fundamental values of freedom, democracy, human rights and the rule | :53:07. | :53:12. | |
of law. Today, we have committed to elevating the UK - Japan partnership | :53:13. | :53:17. | |
in a number of areas. As two outward facing companies with many -- | :53:18. | :53:22. | |
countries with shared challenges, Japan is a natural partner for us on | :53:23. | :53:26. | |
defence and security issues. We are each other's closest security | :53:27. | :53:32. | |
partners in Asia and Europe. Today, we have agreed a joint declaration | :53:33. | :53:36. | |
on security cooperation to enhance our collective response to threats | :53:37. | :53:40. | |
to the international order and to global peace and security through | :53:41. | :53:46. | |
increased cooperation on defence, foreign policy, cyber security and | :53:47. | :53:50. | |
counterterrorism. Our defence cooperation is already strong, with | :53:51. | :53:54. | |
our typhoon fighter jets exercising in Japan last year, the first time a | :53:55. | :54:00. | |
country other than the US has done so. We are now taking this further | :54:01. | :54:05. | |
with the deployment of HMS Argyll to the region in December 2018 and UK | :54:06. | :54:13. | |
troops exercising jointly with their counterparts next year in Japan for | :54:14. | :54:18. | |
the first time. We must also tackle new and emerging threats together | :54:19. | :54:23. | |
through counterterrorism and cyber security. Today, we have agreed a | :54:24. | :54:28. | |
new programme of cooperation to ensure a safe and secure Rugby World | :54:29. | :54:31. | |
Cup and Olympic and Paralympic Games here in Japan. We have highlighted | :54:32. | :54:37. | |
our opposition to any actions on the south and east China Seas likely to | :54:38. | :54:42. | |
increase tension. Stability in this region is a global concern, and we | :54:43. | :54:48. | |
encourage all parties to resolve their disputes peacefully and in | :54:49. | :54:54. | |
accordance with international law. Of course, I'm here at a critical | :54:55. | :54:59. | |
time. North Korea's missile launch this week was an outrageous | :55:00. | :55:02. | |
provocation and an unacceptable threat to Japan's nationals. We | :55:03. | :55:08. | |
condemn North Korea in the strongest terms for this reckless act, which | :55:09. | :55:13. | |
was a clear violation of United Nations Security Council | :55:14. | :55:18. | |
resolutions. In response to the illegal action, Prime Minster Abe | :55:19. | :55:21. | |
and I have agreed to work together and with others in the international | :55:22. | :55:24. | |
community to strengthen pressure against North Korea, including by | :55:25. | :55:31. | |
increasing the pace of sanctions implementation and working towards | :55:32. | :55:34. | |
the adoption of a new and effective resolution at the United Nations | :55:35. | :55:40. | |
Security Council. Japan is also a natural partner for the UK on the | :55:41. | :55:44. | |
economy. In building a rules -based international system and encouraging | :55:45. | :55:49. | |
WTO reform to ensure a global economy that works for everyone, | :55:50. | :55:54. | |
Japan is the world's third-largest economy and we benefit more from | :55:55. | :55:59. | |
Japanese investment than any other country in the world apart from the | :56:00. | :56:05. | |
United States. Japanese companies already invest millions in the UK | :56:06. | :56:09. | |
and over 1000 Japanese companies including Humber, Hitachi, Fujitsu | :56:10. | :56:15. | |
and Sony employ 140,000 people in the UK. We welcome the commitment | :56:16. | :56:18. | |
from Japanese companies the long term present in the UK. Nissan, | :56:19. | :56:24. | |
Toyota and Softbank in particular have made commitments to the UK | :56:25. | :56:28. | |
since the EU referendum in a powerful vote of confidence in the | :56:29. | :56:32. | |
long term strength of the UK economy. I have had the opportunity | :56:33. | :56:37. | |
to meet a number of major Japanese investors here in Tokyo who have | :56:38. | :56:40. | |
reiterated to me their belief in the strength of the UK economy and their | :56:41. | :56:44. | |
commitment to a mutually beneficial partnership. Prime Minster Abe, it | :56:45. | :56:50. | |
was good to reaffirm your continued faith in the UK economy including | :56:51. | :56:55. | |
after Brexit as we addressed the business leaders earlier today. As | :56:56. | :57:02. | |
announced earlier this month, our intention is the UK will be free to | :57:03. | :57:06. | |
sign new bilateral trade agreements with partners around the world in | :57:07. | :57:09. | |
any interim Brexit period, and we have agreed here today that we wait | :57:10. | :57:15. | |
-- we want to see a swift conclusion of the ambitious EU- Japan economic | :57:16. | :57:21. | |
partnership agreement. Prime Minster Abe and I have agreed that as we | :57:22. | :57:26. | |
exit the EU, we will work quickly to establish a new economic partnership | :57:27. | :57:29. | |
between Japan and the UK based on the final terms of that agreement. | :57:30. | :57:34. | |
We will set up a new joint working group to examine how we can unblock | :57:35. | :57:38. | |
remaining barriers to trade and take steps to build the closest, freest | :57:39. | :57:45. | |
trading relationship between the UK and Japan after Brexit. And we have | :57:46. | :57:50. | |
agreed to build cooperation in industrial policy, across science, | :57:51. | :57:54. | |
innovation and energy to ensure thriving and so thank you. My first | :57:55. | :58:00. | |
visit to your country has been a memorable one. I have seen your rich | :58:01. | :58:05. | |
traditional culture and the modern dynamism of Japan, and our personal | :58:06. | :58:11. | |
friendship reflects the deep friendship and bonds between our two | :58:12. | :58:16. | |
countries. This visit marks a great step forward, not only in enriching | :58:17. | :58:22. | |
our existing ties, but in agreeing our shared vision of even deeper | :58:23. | :58:28. | |
cooperation in the future. I know that as we both believe, these | :58:29. | :58:36. | |
issues will not only increase our security and prosperity and the | :58:37. | :58:39. | |
steps we have taken will be important in that, but there will | :58:40. | :58:42. | |
also see us together playing a unique role as standard-bearers for | :58:43. | :58:46. | |
the open, liberal, innovative and secure world order that both our | :58:47. | :58:50. | |
great nations rely on. Thank you. | :58:51. | :58:57. |