05/09/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Good morning. Welcome to the programme.

Our top story today - North Korea's been accused

of "begging for war" by the States as the crisis continues

Continuation of the current policy will bring about

That has all that North Korea can do is produce weapons that go boom.

The abusive use of missiles and his nuclear threats show

Is some form of military intervention now inevitable? We will

discuss. Plus this programme has been told

that at least 20 people who survived or witnessed the Grenfell Tower fire

have tried to take their own lives We'll hear from charities

supporting the survivors. And as sex workers tell this

programme about the violence they have been subjected to from clients,

we will hear more called the decriminalisation of the industry.

The person just put his hands around my neck and then he keep

on pressing with one hand on my throat.

They just went with knives and they just took all the money.

A full exclusive report in about 15 minutes.

Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am.

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and developing stories - and, as always, really

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His poignant writing about living with cancer at such

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South Korea's Navy has staged a major exercise off

the country's east coast - as a show of strength to North Korea

It said Pyongyang's forces would be buried at sea in the event

The United States has warned the UN Security Council that Kim Jong Un

The time has come to exhaust all of our diplomatic means

We must now adopt the strongest possible measures.

Kim Jong-un's action cannot be seen as defensive.

He wants to be acknowledged as a nuclear power.

But being a nuclear power is not about using those terrible

Nuclear powers understand their responsibilities.

Kim Jong-un shows no such understanding.

His abusive use of missiles and his nuclear threats show

War is never something the United States wants.

We don't want it now, but our country's patience is not unlimited.

We will defend our allies and our territory.

Our China correspondent John Sudworth is in Dandong,

on the border between China and North Korea.

The Chinese city of Dandong where I'm standing is a very good

position from which to contemplate China's role in the

If we pan the camera across, you can see just how close the two

countries are at this point, connected by the iron

And almost all of North Korea's trading goods, as well as its vital

crude oil supply, flows across this border.

You can see a dilapidated North Korean power station

on the other side there, a sign of its antiquated

Donald Trump's argument, of course, is China could, if it wanted to,

choke North Korea into submission by turning off the tap on this

lifeline, but when you look at this proximity, you can understand why

the Chinese leadership sees things very differently indeed.

The idea of pushing North Korea towards regime collapse

would bring chaos, instability, factional infighting,

the possibility of war in a state that already has its hands

on nuclear weapons, which is why Beijing won't contemplate the idea

It won't contemplate the idea of military action.

It has insisted all along that the only way to resolve this

crisis is, as unpalatable to Washington as it may be,

is for the US to sit down with North Korea at the negotiation

We can now speak to our correspondent Robin Brant,

who is monitoring events from the South Korean

In the last hour the Russian president has said that any new

sanctions on North Korea will not make any difference? Vladimir Putin

making his position very, very clear, talking at the end of the two

taser met in China near to where John is. He has described the

prospect of a global catastrophe if the continued military ramping up

continues at this place. He has said it is hysterical, and on the issue

of further sanctions he says they would be useless and ineffective.

That is not an example of unity among, certainly, the permanent

members of the United Nations Security Council. There is a divide

between Russia and China on one side, the United States on the

other. In the middle you have South Korea, this morning South Korea yet

again demonstrated its military capabilities with the naval live

firing exercise following on from the air force and the Army carrying

out similar exercises yesterday, to show the north and anyone else

watching what their capabilities are, to defend their country and

maybe even attack the north. At the same time this country is led by

President Moon, who wants to extend the olive branch to the north and

perhaps even look at opening negotiations once again. Thank you

very much, Robin Brant. Joanna Gosling is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary This programme has been told that

at least 20 survivors and witnesses of the Grenfell Tower fire

have attempted suicide. Charities Silence of Suicide

and Justice For Grenfell say they base the claim on conversations

with those supporting residents, though the BBC has been unable

to independently verify the figure. They are calling for better

long-term mental health The Brexit Secretary David Davis

will face questions in the Commons this afternoon as MPs return

to Westminster after He will give an update on last

week's third round of negotiations with the European Union

as Downing Street promises to One of Britain's the senior

counterterrorism officers has warned the terror threat level will remain

at severe for at least the next five... Five years.

Neil Basu, the national co-ordinator for counter-terrorism policing,

described the risk to the UK as an unknown threat in our midst.

He warned isolated communities and unregulated schooling

in the UK were a breeding ground for extremism.

There are currently about 600 active counter-terrorism investigations.

A 14-year-old boy is in critical condition in hospital and

17-year-old has suffered life changing injuries in a double

shooting in London. The Metropolitan Police said there were serious

concerns of retaliation and extra officers are on the streets. No

arrests have been made. The Met said that they were taken to an east

London hospital. A report into whether social

services failed a young girl who was murdered by her mother

will be published today. Ayeeshia Smith died

in 2014 aged 21 months. She had been left in the care

of her mother, Kathryn Smith, despite concerns raised

by other relatives. The findings of a serious case

review will be published at midday. Bangladeshi officials say

they are running out of space to accommodate the growing number

of Rohingya Muslims fleeing Nearly 90,000 people have left

Myanmar since the Army there began Many say they were attacked

by troops and Buddhist mobs. Sex workers say they are being left

more vulnerable to attack by laws making it illegal for them to share

premises for safety. Sex workers who have

spoken to this programme say laws around brothel keeping

force women to work alone in order The sale and purchase of sexual

services between consenting adults is legal in England and Wales,

but acts such as soliciting They are calling for the whole

industry to be decriminalised. Solar storms may have played a role

in the fatal stranding of sperm whales last year on the coasts

of Britain, Germany, Scientists say the 29 whales

were young and free of disease - but their navigational abilities may

have been disrupted by the storms, which distort

the Earth's magnetic field. Other researchers say the theory

is plausible but argue it's That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 9:30am. Thank you for your tweets and

e-mails, we appreciate them every day, particularly because you have

experience of lots of the stories we bring you.

We will talk about sex workers and the violence that some are subjected

to and what would better protect them in the next few minutes. James

says is a gay male sex worker I place myself at risk every day

working alone and hotel toilets. The law should protect sex workers, not

put them at risk. Your views are welcome, particularly if you have

pertinent experience. You can use e-mail, Whatsapp etc.

Olly is here, it is been a good international break for the home

nations but Dele Alli may be in trouble? Inglot won 2-1 against the

bucket to stay top of their group, but Dele Alli might have explaining

to do. -- England won. Rashford made a terrible mistake in the first

couple of minutes, he gave away the ball and the Slovakian player

finished off a lovely ball to him. Eric Dier equalised by half-time,

Rashford made amends, a lovely finish. But in the last 15 minutes

Dele Alli had just been fouled, did not get a free kick, seems to be

flicking the middle finger towards the referee. He was very quick

afterwards to say he was just joking with his good friend and former

team-mate Kyle Walker, not at the referee at all. We will see a Fifa

buy that. What about the manager? I have not seen but I have been made

aware of it. Dele and Kyle were mucking about. I don't know what has

been visible on the picture, what the angle of the picture was. They

have a strange way of communicating, the pair of them, but that is what

they have said when I have raised it. I have not seen it myself.

They were making light of that last night, we will see what the

referee's report will say. England need two points from their last

couple of matches next month against Slovenia and Lithuania.

Good news for Scotland and Northern Ireland, finishing second?

It is all in Scotland's hands to finish second behind England in the

same group. They beat Malta last night, is very easy win for

Scotland, Christophe Berra and Leigh Griffiths got the gold is at Hampden

Park. Slovakia and Slovenia away. Winds will see the Scots finish

second and a chance of making the play-offs. It is in their hands. It

is very complicated as to how... You finish second and get into the

play-offs or not. We know Northern Ireland have finished second in

group C, getting the runners-up spot, making it five in a row in

qualifying. They should be one of the best runners-up or two games to

play, Jonny Evans and Chris Brunt got the goals, a lovely free kick

seeing them beat the Czech Republic last night. It has been two years

since they conceded a competitive goal at Windsor Park. That will be

tested against Germany next month, but as I say they are sure to finish

second. Germany coming here, it would be

nice to take an extra point. If we need something in the final two

games we will have to get it, that simple. We are in a very strong

position, it is almost -- almost been flawless, to be honest. Seven

clean sheets in eight games, the only defeat away to Germany. As a

coach and manager there is little you can ask more from your players,

they keep delivering. Northern Ireland punching above their weight

on the international stage. Wales play Moldova, they could move to

second of the Republic of Ireland slip up against Moldova.

Roger Federer and Rafa Nadal play tomorrow in the tennis, on a

collision course for a semifinal. X Factor plays one Martin Del Potro.

The Russian teenager Andrey Rublev is has set up a quarterfinal against

Nadal, the 19-year-old came through overnight after beating ninth seed

David Goffin. Would you believe it, here's the first teenagers and Andy

Roddick in 2001, to make it this far in the men's straw. It is all about

Nadal or Federer, who comes through the semifinal. Thank you. More sport

throughout the morning. In the UK, thousands of people sell

sexual services for money. It is not illegal to sell sex, but almost

every activity associated with the trade, from brothel keeping to

soliciting, is. So many women and some men, faced with the prospect of

being charged with an offence, take risks to avoid being caught.

This can leave them vulnerable to attacks and violence and often too

frightened to report what has happened to the police.

Arguments about decriminalisation are as old as the industry itself,

but after rigged recommended a change in the law last year,

campaigners are stepping up their efforts. Susie, not her real name,

is a former sex worker and activist. She has made a film for you arguing

that decriminalisation of the industry is key to making sex

workers safer. And in the time of the service,

the person just put his hands around my neck and then he keep

on pressing with one hand on my throat and keep on punch me

into the face until I passed out. Five or six different guys just came

inside of the house. The security opened

the door for them. And then they just went with knives

and they just took all the money. I have worked in the sex industry

on and off in my adult life. There's a perception that sex work

is inherently degrading, that it's morally wrong,

but when you look at it compared to the other low paid, long hours,

incredibly physically demanding jobs, it's often the best choice

for people because it is less hours for more money,

means you can have more time out to be with your children,

be with your family, do your studies, change your life,

than you would if you were working a 40-hour plus week

for minimum wage. According to one estimate,

there are nearly 73,000 sex There's no doubt that some of those

people are coerced into selling sex. In 2014, for example,

there were 1,139 victims of trafficking for sexual

exploitation in the UK. But, to be clear, this

film isn't about people who are coerced into prostitution

against their will. It's about people who have made

a decision to work in the sex industry and how the law often fails

to protect those people. In the UK, the sale

and purchase of sexual services But almost everything

around it is illegal. There's a variety of offences

you can been charged There's loitering and soliciting

which are most often used And brothel keeping,

which is used against indoor-based sex workers and there's also

something called prostitute's caution where a police officer

can serve you a caution without you having to accept it

and it will stay on your record if they suspect you of being

a sex worker. The rules against brothel keeping

in particular mean that women often feel unable to work together

as a common-sense safety measure, which inevitably leaves sex

workers more vulnerable. I'm Maria from Portugal.

I'm a sex worker. Maria, not her real name,

says she was working with a group of women at a brothel in London

when she became the victim I was in a house working with a few

different girls and then five or six different guys just came

inside of the house. The security opened

the door for them. And then they just went with knives

and they just took all the money. And they were not really violent,

but it was really scary. After they left, I just make sure

that the door was closed, so I went close the door and I went

to my room straight away The police arrived soon

after to investigate but Maria explained that the police seemed

to be as interested in the work going on the premises

as in the robbery itself. They weren't interested

in the robbery. They said they would look

on CCTV, the cameras. They asked about the

guys that went there. But actually, they were talking more

about the work inside of the place, how much money they got,

how many girls, how many customers. A week later after the robbery,

she received a letter from the police threatening

the women working at the premises. This letter was saying

that we should definitely leave. They didn't say that we need

to leave the place, but if you stay there you could go to jail or be

deported or something, because we were working

as they say in a brothel. Maria explained that it

is for precisely this reason that sex workers

are often reluctant to report violent crime to the police for fear

of being investigated themselves. So the girls don't call the police

because if they call the police, the police will just see the place

that they are working and they will say to leave or something

and they can't keep working She told us that because violent

criminals know sex workers are unlikely to report those kinds

of crimes, they deliberately target I was hearing from different girls

that they get robbed in a house, the same story with five or six men

and then they were with knives, sometimes with guns and acid,

and they just was hitting the girls, raping the girls, so I knew

that it was happening, but I was not sure it

would happen with me. I'm originally from Romania.

I'm a sex worker. I've been a sex worker

for the last five years. I've been working

in Soho ever since. Suzanne, once again not her real

name, has an even more Like many sex workers,

Suzanne says that sex work It offers flexibility

and allows her to fund her studies. There is no issue around it

as long as you don't get raided by the police

or if I don't get violence. She has no objection to the work

itself but, like Maria, she's says that the current legal

framework leaves her vulnerable. As I've learned being in the sex

industry, I learned that a perpetrator will always seek

to attack someone who is vulnerable, who is not protected by the law

and we, as sex workers, It's illegal for working

with someone for safety. And so the perpetrator will just

do it because he knows As the police, over time

and time again, every time even myself reports

violence, I end up getting threatened to be arrested and

prosecuted for working in a brothel. And then, next time

I suffer violence, I sure It doesn't matter

what I do was a job. Yes, I understand I am a sex

worker for a living, but I deserve the same human rights

as everybody else. Sadly, some years ago,

Suzanne was the victim of a violent The person came up, nothing wrong,

discussed the price. And in the time of the service,

the person just put his hands around my neck and then he keep

on pressing with one hand on my throat and keep on punching me

to the face until I passed out. I was in agony.

I was bleeding from my mouth. During the attack I lost two teeth.

The person was there to kill me. That's it.

I was lucky because I passed out. If I wasn't going to pass out

at the time, he would have done it Fortunately, Suzanne was working

with someone that night, her receptionist, who was eventually

able to call for medical help. But she believes that,

had she been working alone, she might not have

survived the attack. If it wasn't for her that night,

no one could have woken me up. Because of her experience, Suzanne

now feels obliged to work illegally. Even though selling sex for money

isn't in itself illegal, by working with just one other

person, she could be prosecuted Despite this, she has chosen to be

on the wrong side of the law because she believes that's the only

way to work safely. I would rather work

illegally but go home safe. I know how the legislation

regarding prostitution, working with someone for safety

or sharing the premises But I would rather be

prosecuted than dying. I want to go home.

I have a family myself. They don't know what

I do for a living. But, if anything happens to me

and they find out the way I've died or being severely injured,

they are going to have to find out, I think from my own experience

what I do know is that often women go into sex work because it's

a better choice. Nicky Adams from the English

Collective of Prostitutes, a campaigning organisation of sex

workers and former sex workers that's been in existence

since the 1970s, explains that, far from these being marginal

concerns, the same grievances You know that by going into sex

work, you are taking a risk because there is a lot of violence

and that is a primary At every turn, the laws,

the prostitution laws, sabotage our efforts to keep safe,

so it illegal to work If you work together

with somebody else on the street, you're much more likely to come

to the attention of the police. You suffer anti-social

behaviour orders. On the street, which then,

if you breach them, You can be prosecuted for brothel

keeping just literally for working together with another woman,

and we have heard of many, many situations where women come

forward to report violence and instead of the attackers

being pursued and investigated and prosecuted by the police,

sex workers get prosecuted for prostitution offences instead

and that is appalling, because when that happens,

word goes around very quickly and it's a big deterrent for anybody

else to come forward In 2016, a group of MPs

on the Home Affairs Select Committee recognised the problems resulting

from brothel keeping legislation But shortly afterwards

the government decided they didn't have enough evidence

to introduce the changes. We spoke to the Home Office for this

film and a spokesperson told us that the government still has no

plans to change the law around prostitution

despite the Home Affairs Select At the moment, even though

sex work isn't illegal, we work in a heavily criminalised

environment where many people are far too scared to go

to the police or go to other The thing that sex workers want is

full decriminalisation of sex work. What that means is treating it

just like any other job. For example, if you're working

in a brothel and you have a manager who helps work out shifts and deal

with customers and pay the rent, then if they begin sexually

harassing you, you could go to the police and

report them for this. You could take them to court

and have them charged But as long as the law continues

to act as an incentive to unsafe working practices,

more sex workers like the women we've heard from in this

film will be at risk "Prostitution is a complex area

and there is not a single solution. Since 2012 we have developed strong

working relationships with a number of sex worker support agencies

and begun to change the way we work A viewer says, "We know this.

Prostitution should be legalised to safeguard both workers anduresers.

Let's be adult about it." This text from someone who doesn't give their

name, "Decriminalisation will put more sex workers on view on our

streets. Selling sex should be illegal." Matt on Facebook says, "We

should house sex workers in large buildings like in Germany and other

European countries with proper security on the door. Whether people

agree with prostitution or not, it is safer for the client and the

worker if it's properly regulated." John says, "Sex work is an essential

part of society and the it Will not get proper protection until members

of Parliament grow up and get with the real world."

We will talk more about it after 10am.

Still to come: A report into the involvement of social

services and agencies connected with Ayeeshia-Jane Smith

who was stamped to death by her mother has just been published.

Tributes are paid to Dean Eashmond who died on Sunday.

Joanna Gosling is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

South Korea's Navy has staged a major exercise of the country's east

coast is a show of strength to North Korea following its latest nuclear

test. It said Pyongyang's forces would be buried at sea in the event

of further provocation. The United States has warned the UN

Security Council by Kim Jong Un is begging for war.

This programme has been told that at least 20 survivors and witnesses

of the Grenfell Tower fire have attempted suicide.

Charities Silence of Suicide and Justice4Grenfell say

they base the claim on conversations with those supporting residents,

though the BBC has been unable to independently verify the figure.

They are calling for better long-term mental health

The Brexit Secretary David Davis will face questions in the Commons

this afternoon as MPs return to Westminster after

He will give an update on last week's third round of negotiations

with the European Union as Downing Street promises to

One of Britain's the senior counterterrorism officers has warned

-- One of Britain's most senior counter-terrorism officers has

warned that the terror threat level will remain at severe for at least

Neil Basu, the national co-ordinator for counter-terrorism policing,

described the risk to the UK as an unknown threat in our midst.

He warned isolated communities and unregulated schooling

in the UK were a breeding ground for extremism.

There are currently about 600 active counter-terrorism investigations.

A report into whether social services failed a young girl

who was murdered by her mother will be published today.

Ayeeshia Jane Smith died in 2014 aged 21 months.

She had been left in the care of her mother, Kathryn Smith,

despite concerns raised by other relatives.

The findings of a serious case review will be published at midday.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10am.

Fifa will wait for the referee's report at Wembley before deciding

whether England's Dele Alli should be charged with making an obscene

hand gesture. He says it was a joke with the team-mates are not directed

at the match official. England came from behind to beat Slovakia 2-1,

Marcus Rashford with the winner, to keep them top of the group. Two

points in the last two matches will see them qualified for Russia.

Scotland beat Malta 2-0, wins in their last two game should put them

in the play-off position in England's group.

Northern Ireland look very good for a play-off spot, their win over the

Czech Republic in Belfast assures them of second place in that group.

And the 19-year-old Russian Andrey Rublev has become the first

teenagers since 2001 to reach the US open quarterfinals. He plays his

childhood hero Rafa Nadal next. Roger Federer also came through his

last 16 on March overnight. I will be back in around half an hour with

a full update. This programme has been told that

at least 20 people who survived or witnessed the Grenfell Tower fire

have since attempted We've been unable to independently

verify the figure - but have heard it from

groups supporting survivors. Almost three months on,

it's clear the deeply traumatic effects of that night are being felt

not just by those who lived in the tower but their relatives,

neighbours and friends. Yvette Greenway runs

the Silence of Suicide charity, which has been offering support

for trauma victims in the area. And Judy Bolton is a nurse who's

been co-ordinating volunteers on the ground on behalf

of the Justice4Grenfell group. Welcome, both of you. Thank you very

much for coming into the programme. Yvette, you have met a number of

survivors and help them, what kind of problems that they are

experiencing? Where to start, Victoria? This is the problem. They

go from practical everyday issues in relation to benefits, housing, just

eating in some cases. Eating? Where they warm up food. Some hotel rooms

don't have facilities so they can't heat food if they have it. I say

simple things, they are huge things within the bigger picture.

Then you have the psychological impact, you have the grieving, the

trauma, you have PTSD, anxiety, depression, self harm and, sadly,

suicide. And how do you respond to this figure that at least 20 people

have attempted to take their own lives?

I think, like everyone in the country, we sincerely hope that is

not the case. One suicide is too many. From a situation that should

never have arisen, that was completely preventable, it makes it

even more tragic. We just hope it is not true. It is very difficult to

verify this information, but we put it out there because even if it is

just one suicide, it is one too many and it means that somewhere along

the line something is failing, we are not reaching those people

properly, the people that need help, so we desperately need to address

that. Judy, you have been a nurse for a

long time, what do you think about the mental health provision for

helping those who have survived and witnessed what happened that night?

About the mental health provision has been appalling. It has been

slow, it has not even been recognised. From day one, everybody

saw it on the news, how horrific this atrocity was, there was a lot

of help from the community, but it was almost like it was put to the

side. Yet at that time, people watching on TV were shocked and

could not believe it. You try living that, people not even just from the

tower but from the Lancaster West walkways, people who live there,

they saw the tower burn. You don't get that out of your mind. People

saw others jump from Windows, children being dropped from Windows.

And not every child that was dropped was caught. So we live with that

every day. You see the building, you see Grenfell, it is fair on the

horizon, we live with it. The fact that people had to ask and come

out... Later, Theresa May had gold command, which was many weeks after.

What survivors were told to do was to present themselves at the West

ways to say they feel that they need mental health support. If you are

that traumatised, if you are in a flat or a hotel, isolated, on your

own, you don't even know that you need to go and help. And so the NHS

team had run out and they were knocking on doors and leafleting and

saying that they are a bit fed up with this knocking on their doors.

So when we have the last public meeting we asked the NHS where are

your meeting points, if you are not going to these people, where are

they? The head of the team did not know. She said let me speak to one

of my junior colleagues. And he said if you go to the website they have

said two people... Well, to the GPs, because my GP came to that meeting,

the GPs in the area have been told we have covered the mental health,

they are seen within five days and once they have had the assessment

they are followed up, people should have key and support workers. That

information is not getting through. That is why we have people who are

attempting suicide, they are living with survivor guilt, with memories

of that night. It plays over and over in your head. You do not sleep.

Sorry to interrupt but I talked to one man who got out of the tower

with his family and he said in the day we see the tower, we see the

blackened shell, when I close my eyes at night I see it, I see people

jumping. It lives with you. Again, I don't like the term mental health in

that it still carries a very ugly stigma even though it should not...

We are trying to change that. But even my GP said what they want to

call it is bereavement and trauma counselling, because that in itself

covers the post-traumatic stress, the self harm, the nightmares, the

horrors. We have a really solid mental health team in Ladbroke

Grove, we have a hospital, adult mental health, children's mental

health. Many of them have said that they presented themselves at gold

command and said what can we do? Oh, we have this under control. And it

wasn't, and people are still suffering. People are frightened to

sleep at night in their building, and so they walk the streets. We

have volunteers who will actually be out at three o'clock sitting with

people so they are safe. Sorry, they are frightened to be in a building

at my time? So they would prefer to wander the streets? Absolutely. My

goodness. Because it is that trauma. Also we have had a situation, the

police are very much aware, that there has been an influx of drugs

coming into the area, because people are so traumatised that some will

Self Medicaid. That is not the answer, but I can understand but --

some will self medicated. What are they doing to support the crime that

is going on, taking advantage of vulnerability and the trauma they

are going through. Event, are you seeing the self-medication with

alcohol and drugs? It is rife. We have heard from lots of people,

groups and volunteers that people are increasingly turning to

substance abuse as a way of escaping this horrible reality. It is like a

living nightmare, they don't know what else to do. Every time we have

reported Grenfell, and it has been many times that we have spoken to

many survivors, we have a light on the failings of the mental health

provision. To hear that people are still being failed in this crucial

area... It is par for the course with mental health, I know you don't

like the term, but I think we have to say it in order to be more

accepting, this is part of the problem, this stigma. It always

takes second place. The ongoing cuts over successive years, people were

warning that this would happen. Hey, Ho, we have come to a situation like

Grenfell, we don't have the stuff, don't have properly qualified staff

or 11 situation to deliver what is needed in this grotesque situation.

Even on your show, you did a lot of coverage on people's fears and

everything else, but one of the things that the media has done is

really demonise the people who live in Grenfell. There has been a lot of

rhetoric and talk, even Theresa May spoke on, well, you know, the

illegals that are there, please come forward, it will not damage your

state, we want to make sure you are safe. In that building was a

community. We had Moroccan, Colombian, third, fourth generation

Londoners, West Indian, Portuguese, yes, Somalian... We are such a

diverse community that works together, but all that was shown was

women wearing the hijab, with their children, speaking with non-English

accents. We have had racist hate mail, people telling them go back to

where you came from, why are you in this area? You yourself covered

that, people said we are afraid to say... This is it. All of that

brings a really negative image. These are hard-working people, solid

in the community. People had bought their properties, nurses, policemen,

teachers, all sorts lived there. Why have they been left? Why have they

been neglected? Again, it was to do with the social gentrification of

the area and also because we are considered lesser human beings.

People are suffering. The children especially are incredibly

traumatised. They are starting to go back to school and we want to know

have the schools been given adequate support to support not the children

from Grenfell but children who had their friends who will not be at

school this term. How do they support? I think that is a problem

for decades to come, there needs to be ongoing mental health provision

in place to support these children as they grow older, they will need

it, without a doubt. They have really, really failed us. Thank you

for joining us. The deputy leader of the council

says that the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea is dedicated

to dealing with this tragedy. There is at dedicated number -- a

dedicated number, 0800 0234 650, and on the NHS website that is...

We can also reveal this morning that some residents who escaped the tower

block that morning on 14th June are finally getting some

Whilst most of the flats were totally destroyed,

33 flats on the lower floors had limited damage, meaning some

This programme can reveal that so far 12 families from Grenfell

tower have received property from their old homes.

One of those is 69-year-old Rumayatu Mamudu, who escaped

from the first floor in her dressing gown carrying her 12-year-old

Our reporter Ashley John Baptiste has been following her story.

We're at a hotel in West London where some Grenfell survivors

are being reunited with personal possessions that survived the fire.

We are here with Rumayatu Mamudu, a Grenfell resident who we've been

We are here to see some of the items in my flat.

How are you feeling about seeing some of the items that have been

Yeah? Let's have a look.

And these are possessions of Mrs Mamudu's from her

You've got your National Insurance card back.

Yay! My Gemini stone.

It's my birthstone and I made it into a ring.

That's good. Yes!

Talk to me about why you're so happy.

My late husband's watch. Does that not make me happy?

So it's been over two months now since you lost your flat.

But you have received some of your possessions from the flat.

What sort of consolation is that for you?

To me, actually, the consolation was that I was alive.

I'm happy I got them, but my life was more important.

As soon as they start letting me build my life again,

then the sooner there will be closure.

Even if I got all these things back, there is no closure

Even though she has some of her jewellery back,

the majority of Mrs Mamudu's possessions remain in the tower.

She's just one of 12 families to be reunited

with their belongings so far but, for the majority of residents

who survived, there's nothing left to be returned.

Ashley John-Baptiste with that report and we'll continue to follow

the stories of Grenfell survivors over the coming months and years.

Next, we're going to turn our attention to what's

going on in a country over 5,000 miles away, Myanmar,

More than 87,000 Muslim civilians known as the Rohingya are estimated

to have fled across the border to Bangladesh in the past ten days

The Rohingya are a stateless Muslim ethnic minority who have faced

Many of those who have fled describe troops and Buddhist mobs

burning their villages and attacking civilians.

This is the mainland route through which the Rohingyas are now

On the other side of the mountain, is Myanmar.

And they say they can slip in without being detected easily.

They are carrying with them whatever belongings they can leave with -

household goods, and many of them say they have been walking

for several days from their villages before they are able to get

And, before that, they have to make sure they are not detected

by the Myanmar police or border patrols because there is every

Once they get here, though, the Bangladesh authorities

This is the first real shelter that the refugees have got.

We're in first village after the border and here

they get a bit of protection from the elements.

They are here for a day, maybe two days, before they move

That's where the government and aid agencies are present

Islamic countries across Asia are calling on the Myanmar

government and its unofficial leader Nobel Prize winner,

Aung San Suu Kyi, to end the military campaign

against the Rohingya Muslim minority.

Pakistan, Malaysia, Bangladesh and Indonesia have all demanded

Refugees are trapped on the border without basic food

and medicine amid operations by the Myanmar military.

In the mainly Buddhist Myanmar the Rohingya are seen as Muslims,

but in the mainly Muslim Bangladesh they're seen as foreigners.

Let's talk to Tun Khin from the Rohingya Muslim ethnic minority.

He has family and friends currently fleeing Myanmar.

Vivian Tan is working with the two official refugee centres

in Cox's Bazar in Bangladesh with the UN Refugee Agency.

Mark Farmaner has met Aung San Suu Kyi and spoken

about the Rohingya in his role as the director of

Welcome all of you. You are from the Rohingya. You moved to the UK 15

years ago. Tell us what your family and friends are telling you about

what they're experiencing? Yes, they're telling me they have seen

military slaughtering men, women and children and they have seen many

children being thrown to the fire and also you know many thousands of

Rohingya have been trapped in the mountain when they're passing

through, a big mountain. It took six or seven days and it is

continuously, Rohingya there is mass killings going on against Rohingya.

That's what I've been hearing. According to our information, the

humanitarian crisis is growing and 170,000 people become homeless and

IDPs. They are without food, medical, and shelter. That's what

the situation much more worse than now. The humanitarian crisis is

growing there. It's quite serious concern I would like to say. Vivian,

you're working with two official refugee centres in Bangladesh with

the UN Refugee Agency. What have you seen? Well, we're working in refugee

camps that pre-existed this influx. OK. These two camps have seen around

30,000 new arrivals in the last 12 days or so. That's a huge influx for

these two camps. The resources are strained yet we are working the

Government and NGOs to accommodate them as best we can to meet their

life-saving needs and we are providing temporary shelter and food

and medical care for those who need it. But they are in very bad

condition as your other guest was saying. They are coming in barefoot.

They've walked for days and days. In one case up to seven days. They

report that after fleeing their villages, they have to hide in the

jungle or in the mountains because they are afraid of being caught and

eventually they reach Bangladesh and they were able to seek safety here,

but even now, they are scattered. The new arrivals in Bangladesh are

scattered in different low cautions. They are in some of the refugees

camps where we work and they are in local villages and make-shift sites.

There is a need to register them and get a sense of how many new arrivals

are where and what their needs are. You met Aung San Suu Kyi. Why is she

not speaking out against the persecution of the Rohingya? It's

inexplicable her actions and it has disappointed a lot of people. If

there was anyone who could have challenged the prejudice against

Rohingya Muslims in particular, it's her. When you met her, you raised it

with her. What was her response? She said she didn't want to speak out

because if she did, she might raise tensions. We felt she didn't really

understand the situation of the Rohingya. We encouraged her to go to

see for herself, but she refused to do that. Is it to do with the

strength of the military? Well, there is a theory... She doesn't

want to instruct them to stop? The situation in Burma is strange. There

is almost two governments. It was ten years ago, exactly ten years ago

when the monks were marching in the streets and in response the military

had to reform, but they kind of pulled a fast one, they created a

new constitution. There is a democratic Government led by Aung

San Suu Kyi, but she only controls things the military don't care b

health, education, agriculture. The military are independent and they

control the police and Security Services and they are the ones that

are carrying out. She couldn't stop these attacks even if she wanted to

do, even if she told the military to stop. But she hasn't. She has been

acting as a propaganda arm for the military denying abuses are taking

place and increasing tensions and fears of Muslims in the country. She

gave an interzu in April to the BBC. She said there was not genocide

going on, ethnic cleansing was too strong a term to use and she said

that the country would welcome any returning Rohingya with open arms.

It's simply not true. We have the United Nations has launched an

investigation to assess what is going on with the Rohingya and what

the military are doing to other ethnic groups in the country, but

the UN said it is likely that what is taking place in Burma against the

Rohingya and other ethnic groups is crimes against humanity and other

war crimes. What will stop the violence against your people? The

thing is military operation is not a solution. The solution is the

Rohingya about been facing decades of persecution. So the thing is they

must restore the rights, restore citizenship rights, the Rohingya

have been facing many years. It is very important point and currently

what I want to highlight here is, the international community

collective action is needed to save the lives of Rohingya where day by

day the death toll is increasingment according to our information we

received at least 2,000 Rohingya confirmed killed. Some sources are

saying more than 5,000. So, currently this is priority and also

second priority is humanitarian aid must be allowed. So the

international community world leaders, they can't be silent. They

must speak. They must directly call the commander-in-chief who is the

main person. So the international community, the world leaders, must

call him and Aung San Suu Kyi to allow humanitarian aid access and to

stop this immediately. That's the solution for now, thank you. Thank

you very much for coming on our programme. Our guest has family and

friends currently fleeing, Myanmar. In a moment we will bring you the

news and sport. Now the weather. Here is Sarah Keith-Lucas.

Our reporter Ashley John Baptiste has been following her story.

A damp, murky start for many, but sunshine, too. This is the scene on

the Shetland Isles at the moment, clearer conditions are moving in.

Across northern and north-western parts, starting to brighten up.

Towards England and Wales, lots of cloud and outbreaks of rain will

last through the day. The rain will ease away towards the east. Where we

see greater intervals toward southern England we could see 21 or

22 degrees. Into this evening, we will lose the wet weather, and we

all in the clearer, fresher conditions to start tomorrow. Double

figures in towns and cities but a bit cooler in the countryside. A

much fresher day on Wednesday with a fuse scattered showers and

north-western Scotland, a view from north-west England. Elsewhere, a

rather dry, bright and breezy day. Temperatures tomorrow cooler,

between 16 and 20 degrees. Hello, it's Tuesday, it's ten

o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire. Our top story...

Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned of a global catastrophe if

military tensions with North Korea continued to increase.

The United States has warned the UN Security Council that

He has described the prospect of a global catastrophe if the continued

military ramping up continues at this pace.

Is some form of military intervention now inevitable?

Also sex workers tell us about the violence they have been subjected to

from clients. Campaigners are stepping up their efforts calling

for the decriminalisation of the industry.

The person just put his hands around my neck and then he keep

on pressing with one hand on my throat.

And keep unflinchingly to the face until I passed out.

More on that in the next half-hour. And we will pay tribute to

21-year-old Dean Eastmond, who died of cancer at the weekend. We will

speak to his boyfriend, his brother and his best friend.

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

South Korea's Navy has staged a major exercise of the country's

east coast is a show of strength to North

Korea following its latest nuclear test.

It said Pyongyang's forces would be buried at sea in the event

The United States has warned the UN Security

This programme has been told that at least 20 survivors and witnesses

of the Grenfell Tower fire have attempted suicide.

Charities Silence of Suicide and Justice4Grenfell say

they base the claim on conversations with those supporting residents,

though the BBC has been unable to independently verify the figure.

They are calling for better long-term mental health

Yvette Greenway has been supporting survivors, she has called for this.

Psychological impact, the grieving, the trauma, PTSD, anxiety,

depression, self harm and, sadly, suicide.

One of Britain's most senior counter-terrorism officers has

warned that the terror threat level will remain at severe for at least

Neil Basu, the national co-ordinator for counter-terrorism policing,

described the risk to the UK as an unknown threat in our midst.

He warned isolated communities and unregulated schooling

in the UK were a breeding ground for extremism.

There are currently about 600 active counter-terrorism investigations.

A report into whether social services failed a young girl

who was murdered by her mother will be published today.

Ayeeshia Jane Smith died in 2014 aged 21 months.

She had been left in the care of her mother, Kathryn Smith,

despite concerns raised by other relatives.

The findings of a serious case review will be published at midday.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10:30.

England came from behind at Wembley to beat Slovakia and stay top

Marcus Rashford gave away possesion and the visistors took their chance

brilliantly through Stanislav Lubotka.

Rashford was two changes for England on on the night.

A Slovakia win would have seen them move to the top of Group F,

but Eric Dier equalised by halftime and Rashford lashed

Two more points from their last two matches will see them

But Dele Alli's involvement could be in the balance.

He says that he showed the middle finger to his teamate Kyle Walker

as they shared a joke and not the match official.

Fifa will wait to see if the referees

I've not seen, but I've been made aware of it. They were mucking

about, Dele Alli made a gesture towards Kyle. I don't know what's

been visible on the picture, what the angle of the picture is. The

pair of them have a strange way of communicating, but that is what they

have said when I have phrased it. As I say, I have not seen it myself.

It's in Scotland's hands to finsih second behind England in Group F.

It will not guarantee a play-off match but only one of the nine

runners-up in the European groups will miss. -- Masoud. -- miss out.

Christophe Berra and Leigh Griffiths got the goals

wins will see them finish second and a chance

Northern Ireland are sure of a runner's up spot after

making it five wins in a row in qualifying,

and they should be one of the best runners up with two games to play.

West Brom's Jonny Evans and Chris Brunt with a lovely curled

freekick saw them beat the Czech Republic.

Group leaders Germany are next. Wells could move second in their

group with a win over Moldova. -- Wales could.

The first of the mens and woemn's quarterfinals later today.

Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal play tomorrow and are still on collision

Federer is going to play Juan Martin Del Potro and this

The Russian teenager Andrey Rublev has set up

The 19-year-old came through overnight after beating

He is the first teenager since Andy Roddick back in 2001

to make it this far in the mens draw.

I'll be back with the headlines in the next half-hour.

MPs are back in Parliament today, so our political Guru Norman Smith is

back. So good to see you, Frank God you are back. I wish I could say the

same! David Davis, the Brexit Secretary, will update the Commons

today with Brexit negotiations. What will he say? I think he will say

don't panic, hang on in there, it will be all right in the end.

Everything we have heard from the Brussels and has been oh dear, oh

dear. No progress has been made, you guys don't know what you are doing,

it is going awfully slowly. So David Davis will try to reassure MPs he

has a grip on what he is doing, he has a plan and we are not running

out of time. The thinking in team Davis seems to be, OK, Mr Barnier,

the main EU negotiator, might not be too impressed with is but the people

who really matter, not just Mr Barnier but the leaders of big EU

countries like France and Germany, the hope is they will be much more

amenable to Britain and in time they will say we have to cut a deal with

the Brits and stop faffing around, stopped dawdling around, let's not

talk endlessly about divorce arrangements, let's get talking

about a trade deal. I think Mr Davies will try to calm MPs who are

nervous that he is about like the boy on the burning deck with the

flames licking up HUS Brexit as we drift listlessly towards the rocks,

they will say hang on, it is under control, I have a plan.

Let me ask you about the EU Withdrawal Bill. Explain what it is

and then explained the contentious issues around it.

It sounds like an exam question! Discuss! It is a technical bill

which brings into British law all the many thousands of bits and

pieces of EU law and regulation, that govern pretty much every nook

and cranny of our daily lives. The thinking is you need to put it into

British law so that when we leave we do knowledge into legal limbo. That

is the easy part. The difficult part, politically, is that Mrs May's

opponents over Brexit see this as a perfect vehicle for causing all

sorts of trouble for Mrs May, for piling in with a whole load of

amendments to say, for example, if we leave the EU we must stay in the

single market or the customs union or MPs must have a vote before any

final deal is sealed off. In other words, it will be the flash point

for, I'm afraid, potentially months of parliamentary tussle and

late-night votes over Brexit. That is the truth about where we now are.

Before the summer recess it was all about survival, could Mrs May claw

her way through to the recess? She did that, got a deal with the DUP

and dumped a load of legislation, now the name of the game is Brexit

land, we will be utterly and totally dominated here at Westminster by

Brexit. It will be Brexit the breakfast, Brexit the lunch, Brexit

the dinner, Brexit fellate Metis and toast, it will be nonstop Brexit.

-- Brexit for late night dinner and toast. I will not get you to answer

these questions, they are too easy for you, but using your own

knowledge as well as the extract, it gives an extract which I will not

bore you with, identify and explain two reasons why by-election results

is pure indicator of general election outcomes. I can do that

one. I know you can. Voting is election should only be seen as one

way of measuring political participation, discuss. That is

where 25 marks. Away from that exam paper and back to the real world...

You think this is the real world?! Back to the Westminster bubble,

which you try to burst for us on a daily basis, which I'm very pleased

about, Labour will vote against the second reading of the withdrawal

Bill? Explain what a second reading is and the significance of Labour

voting against it? The second reading is the big vote, the key

vote in which MPs say whether they are in favour of the principal

behind a bill. If you vote against that it basically means we just

disagree, we will not back it, come what may. That will not be the key

flash point in this tussle now looming over the withdrawal Bill. It

will be debated on Thursday the vote will be on Monday, it will drift

over the weekend and dominate the papers, but it will not be the big

moment. The reason is that Tory MPs, with Mrs May over Brexit, will not

support Labour in voting against the second reading on Monday. The reason

for that is they don't want to be seen as if they are in Jeremy

Corbyn's back pocket, as they are playing his game. Down the line in

the autumn, critical Tory MPs will pop up with their own amendment and

those against the Government. All the things about staying in the

single market, giving MPs are bigger say. Don't expect the critical bust

ups on Monday, we will have to wait until after the party conferences,

November, December, January, all those tense, late-night, knife edge

votes where there is a possibility, because Mrs May has a tiny majority,

that she could be defeated. That poses the huge question, what does

that mean for Brexit? Does that derail some of the Brexit plans?

Does it dent her authority and reignite the questions about

leadership? We are entering into very, very dangerous times for Mrs

May down the line. Thank you, Norman Smith. So good to have him back,

Norman speaking in plain, normal language about the world of

politics, which is good. In the UK, there are

thousands of sex workers - that is people who sell

sexual services for money. It's not illegal to sell sex,

but almost every activity associated with the trade -

from brothel keeping to soliciting - is, which means that many women

in the industry face the prospect of being charged with an offence,

and often take risks So might decriminalisation

of the sex-industry be the best way One activist and former sex worker

who goes by Suzie - although that's Earlier, we played a film

Suzie made for us - I have worked in the sex industry

on and off in my adult life. There's a perception that sex work

is inherently degrading, that it's morally wrong,

but when you look at it compared to the other low paid, long hours,

incredibly physically demanding jobs, it's often the best

choice for people. According to one estimate,

there are nearly 73,000 sex There's no doubt that some of those

people are coerced into selling sex. But, to be clear, this

film isn't about people who are coerced into prostitution

against their will. It's about people who have made

a decision to work in the sex industry and how the law often fails

to protect those people. I'm Maria from Portugal.

I'm a sex worker. Maria, not her real name,

says she was working with a group of women at a brothel in London

when she became the victim I was in a house working with a few

different girls and then five or six different guys just came

inside of the house. The security opened

the door for them. And then they just went with knives

and they just took all the money. The police arrived soon

after to investigate but Maria explained that the police seemed

to be as interested in the work going on the premises

as in the robbery itself. Maria explained that it

is for precisely this reason that sex workers

are often reluctant to report violent crime to the police for fear

of being investigated themselves. If they call the police,

the police will just see the place that they are working and they will

say to leave or something, I'm originally from Romania.

I'm a sex worker. I've been a sex worker

for the last five years. I've been working

in Soho ever since. Suzanne, once again not her real

name, has an even more Sadly, some years ago,

Suzanne was the victim of a violent around my neck and then he keep

on pressing with one hand on my throat and keep on punching me

to the face until I passed out. Fortunately, Suzanne was working

with someone that night, her receptionist, who was eventually

able to call for medical help. But she believes that,

had she been working alone, she might not have

survived the attack. If it wasn't for her that night,

no one could have woken me up. The thing that sex workers want is

full decriminalisation of sex work. But as long as the law continues

to act as an incentive to unsafe working practices,

more sex workers like the women we've heard from in this

film will be at risk Let's talk now to Nikki

Adams from the English Thangham Debbonaire a Labour MP

who campaigns on the issue, and Kat Banyard,

who is the founder of UK Feminista, a UK feminist pressure group,

and author of the book Pimp State. Do you accept if you go into sex

work you are taking a risk with your safety? I think the ways the laws

are organised at the moment, yes, you are. There is a contradiction in

how you would want to work in order to save arrest. Even working

together on the street with other women, which is a much better way of

doing it and women go to a lot of effort to bring in all these kind of

safety measures like trying to work with a friend, somebody that takes

down the registration number of a car you're getting into, all those

kinds of things. Women work very hard to keep themselves safe, but

that puts new a very risk situation of being arrested and prosecuted.

What would be wrong with for example decriminalising brothel keeping? So

that women could work together and hopefully be better protected? Well,

prostitution is a form of sexual exploitation and we see from

countries where they have completely relaxed the laws, that is making

brothel keeping and pimping legal that all it does is expand the trade

and magnify the harm. So in Germany, which did what was requested in this

film... No, no, we don't want legalisation as in Germany. What we

are saying, we want full decriminalisation. It means that

you're subject to the same... You're subject to the same laws as everyone

else. Let her finish. Which would enable what happened in Germany

which is chains of so-called megabrothels where dozens of women

in the same building see hundreds of men. The trade is now estimated to

be worth 14 billion euros a year in Germany and they have a huge problem

with human trafficking. What the film fails to do is give a fair and

accurate picture of prostitution in the UK. That wasn't the premise

which we made clear in the film. We have talked about the industry many

times on this programme and all the angles that are involved. Today, we

were talking specifically about those women who are arguing for

decriminalisation in order to better protect themselves. Do you accept

the way the laws are set out, it doesn't protect women who go and

choose to be a sex worker? The use of the word, "Choose" Is

problematic. We need to think about who gets involved in prostitution

and how they are prosecuted and what the consequences are. You watched

the film... I haven't seen the hole film. Well, the women in that

film... Had been hurt. Had been hurt. By clients. But made their own

choice to be a sex worker. I'm not sure we know that. I know women who

have been coerced and research that took place in Bristol found there

were 65 brothels operating and in those organised crime was taking

place in three-quarters of them. Women have been trafficked, coerced

and forced, legalising doesn't make it safe. I want to see placing

responsibility for harm on the pimps and the punters, the member who buy

and sell other women's bodies. Nikki, legalising or

decriminalising, whichever word you prefer to use, does not make women

safer? But it does because you saw from the film those are two women in

our organisation. We know, their situation came out well in the film

and what we are saying is if they decriminalise you remove the

criminal laws and you're subject to the same laws of the land and the

same laws that apply to other workers and what you can do is use

the protections that other workers have in order to improve your

working conditions. Health and safety in a normal job is not the

same. If I work in a bakery, my boss can say, "You need to bake that loaf

of bread." If I refuse to bake it, my boss can sack me. If I'm

exploited as a prostitute and someone says I'm going to pay to

have sex with you and I change my mind for whatever reason and they

insist on having their contract fulfilled then they are raping me

and I have no choice. That's not a job like any other. That isn't how

it works in practise. We are fighting against terrible working.

No, but you're talking about women, you have to ask women who are

currently in sex work what, where there are bad working conditions and

where there is exploitation... When you're on your own. What do you

want? The last thing they would say is for their clients to be

criminalised because that ends up in a crackdown on prostitution. In some

ways. Sorry... Last point. The fact is we're sitting here at this moment

where one and a quarter people in this country are destitute. People

seeking asylum are living on ?36. Prostitution is... Prostitution is

not the solution to that, Nikki, it really is not. Don't talk over each

other because people can't hear you. The trafficking of women and girls

into this country to be brutally exploited in the prostitution trade

is worth at least ?130 million annually. We have to tackle that.

And the key link in the human trafficking chain is sex buyers. It

is their money that lines the pockets of pimps and traffickers.

That is why our laws have to tackle that. We need a law that

criminalises paying for sex, but decriminalises... Hang on. Don't

speak at the same time. What is best for women that are in... You're

railroading over what women say they want. You're listening to one group

of women and I'm listening to another group of women who tell me

about sexual exploitation and violence and rape. If you're on your

own with a man who has paid for sex, having someone in the next door...

You're safer... You're not. You are safer to work if you are working

with other people. You have a false picture of safety. Yes. When you

come down to the harm of prostitution. Women make a decision

to go into prostitution weighing up the other optionsment It doesn't

make it OK. One of the ways that we could tackle the abuse and

exploitation in prostitution is make it easier for women to leave. Jeremy

Corbyn and John McDonnell are compromising against austerity.

Sexual exploitation is not the solution for austerity. Don't talk

over each other, please! We cannot make sexual exploitation safe. We

can end the demand that drives the exploitation and that will be

critical to Theresa May achieving her drive of tackling modern day

slavery. Thank you all. Thank you very much. Thank you for coming on

the programme. Thank you. The findings of a Serious Case

Review into the death of a Staffordshire toddler

who was stamped to death by her mother will be

published at midday. We'll be talking to a child

abuse solicitor to see "Begging for war" is how the US

describes North Korea following its sixth and most

powerful nuclear test. Overnight, the South Korean Navy

says it has carried out more live fire drills in response

to the nuclear test by Pyongyang. The US says all options

are the table to deal with the threat and North Korea

is believed to be So where is this game

of brinkmanship going to end? Is military intervention

to stop North Korea getting Let's talk to Anneke Green,

Republican and former speechwriter for President George W Bush

and now Columnist for Real Clear Politics who thinks

President Trump should be Dr Grant Christopher,

Programme Manager for Non-Proliferation,

Ridgeway Information, who thinks military action isn't inevitable,

but is definitely becoming Mark Tokola is a retired

member of the US senior foreign service and head

of the Korean Economic Institute - who thinks that there are many more

diplomatic steps to be taken before military action is needed to stop

North Korea's nuclear programme. Welcome all of you. That was a very

long introduction, but you are the three key people to talk to about

this. Mark, as a retired member of the US senior foreign service, I

want you to tell me what you think is most likely to happen next? Well,

I think most likely we're going to have discussion of what steps could

be taken to try to put more pressure on North Korea. I think there is

some options that could be taken. I don't think we are close to having a

conflict. There will be more discussion between the US and China

and the US and South Korea. Grant Christopher, what do you

think? It is not inevitable, but it seems probable. All we need to do to

see that is to listen to what people from the Trump administration have

been saying. If you look at the Kim regime, the conventional narrative

is they are just interested in survival. That's why he has

eliminated rivals and that's why they're keeping nuclear weapons to

deter the US from attacking them. However, from a New York Times

report yesterday, there is a report that in the White House, there is a

view that has taken hold that these weapons are being developed to

threaten the US or coerce the US. Right. So they will have the nuclear

weapons and maybe they will be able to attack South Korea or have more

freedom to do military action in the region. That's a very dangerous

point of view and that point, if that point of view wins then war

becomes more likely and a lot of people will die. What sort of war?

It could be a conventional war. It could be a conventional nuclear war

or a nuclear war with both sides exchanging nuclear weapons. The most

likely would be a conventional war from the US side and a nuclear

chemical bio war from the Korean side. Oh my goodness. I mean,

Annika, where are you on this? I don't think that the Trump

administration is hoping for a war with North Korea. I do know that

North Korea is the foreign actor that he is most concerned about, but

I have been interpreting his statements as well as the second of

Davis mat Is who came out on Sunday and talked about the hydrogen test

that North Korea claimed to have carried out as a type of signal. It

is a diplomacy. It sounds harsher than what we have been used to

hearing, but it maybe time for that kind of talk now given that previous

attempts and softer language has done nothing to deter North Korea

from even if it is survival, they see survival as taking South Korea

back. What do you think President Trump's red line is when it comes to

North Korea? That's a good question. I interpreted the missile that was

shot over Japan as an intentional provocation of the United States. As

Japan is another nation that is dependant on the United States for

military assistance and so, that was not an accident that that happened

and that was the target that they chose. So for Trump, with that being

very aggressive, I think that something would have to be attacked

or they have intelligence indicating that, that they consider credible

for there to be that movement. In the meantime they can do things and

send the military up the coast. The South Korea announcement that they

are doing exercises with live fire is another signal to North Korea and

they are supported by the United States. Mark, what do you think

President Trump's red line might be? He has not been clear. That is

probably wise, if you describe and then North Korea will try to press

up against it. I don't think the missile flight over Japan was the

maximum they could have done. They avoided sending a missile towards

one. Previous missiles have splashed in the seat to the west of Japan.

They tried to pick up a part of Japan that is least populated to fly

over. North Korea has many options in which direction to shoot, that

was not the worst. Grant, what with North Korea had to do to provoke the

US into taking military action? -- what would North Korea had to do? We

don't know the red line for the Trump administration. We know what

would be well over it, and invasion of South Korea or a strike on Guam.

But there is a lot of space between. Perhaps the administration is being

deliberately vague or perhaps they are having problems with messaging.

We have seen over and over again the administration contradicting each

other on a really important policy matters, be it Trump treating all

going of the script in addresses versus the very well worded address

from the Defence Secretary yesterday. Thank you all very much

for coming on the programme. We have some breaking news to do

with G4S, they have suspended a tenth member of staff at Brookhouse

following last night's BBC Panorama programme, I don't know if you saw

that but the footage was unbelievable, very shocking. The

employee was one of five workers are restricted duties. A former G4S

worker now employed by the Home Office has also been suspended, it

is understood that disciplinary proceedings against G4S staff

allegedly involved will begin within days and the company is appointing

an outside expert to consult tonne conduct a review on Brookhouse and

other centres run by G4S. And just to bring you this breaking

news, this is from West Midlands Police, four alleged members of the

band neo-Nazi group National Action have been arrested on suspicion of

preparing acts of terror. That is just in from West Midlands Police,

four members of the ban neo-Nazi group, National Action, have been

arrested on suspicion of preparing acts of terrorism.

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

South Korea's Navy has staged a major exercise off the country's

east coast as a show of strength to North

Korea following its latest nuclear test.

It said Pyongyang's forces would be buried at sea in the event

The United States has warned the UN Security

The 46-year-old woman has been charged with fraud after making

claims for support being provided for survivors of the Grenfell Tower

disaster. The woman from Sutton in south London will appear at

Westminster magistrates today. The Brexit Secretary David Davis

will face questions in the Commons this afternoon as MPs return

to Westminster after He will give an update on last

week's third round of negotiations with the European Union

as Downing Street promises to That's a summary of

the latest BBC News. Join me at 11am

for BB Newsroom Live. These are our headlines this

morning - Fifa will wait for the referee's report at Wembley

before deciding if England's Dele Alli should be charged

for an obscene hand gesture. He says it was a joke

with a teamate and not directed England came from behind

to beat Slovakia 2-1. Marcus Rashford with the winner

to keep them top of their group. They'll qualify for Russia

with just two points Scotland beat Malta

2-0 at Hampden Park - wins in their last two games should

put them into the play-off Northern Ireland are looking good

for a play-off spot - their 2-0 win over the Czech

Republic in Belfast assures them 19-year-old Russian Andrei Rublev

has become the first teenager since 2001 to reach the US

Open quarter-finals. He plays his

childhood hero Rafa Nadal next. Roger Federer also came

through his match overnight. I will have more sport on BBC news

in the next hour. Thank you.

A Serious Case Review into the death of a Staffordshire toddler

who was stamped to death by her mother has

Ayeeshia Jane Smith, who was 21 months old,

In a moment we will speak to Peter Saunders, founder of The National

Association For People Abuse, and also the president of The

Association Of Child Abuse Lawyers. Our reporter Chi Chi Izundu has

been reading the report. What does the reviews say? It has

made nine recommendations in total, including things like taking into

account the mother's mental health and her historic drug abuse, the

relationships of her ex-partners, some of them were violent, and the

child 's I found the mother's life, and not focusing too much on the

fact that the mother is a victim of domestic violence. The review also

recommended that Derbyshire safeguarding children board should

undertake a multi-agency audit of children subject to a supervision

order to make sure that the care plans put post-supervision orders

are robust. This little girl was subject to a supervision order? She

was subject to a number of different orders. The review also found that a

lot of the professionals were in and out of her life but the focus was

too much placed on the mother and the relationships she was having

rather than the mother's relationship with the child. The

review also concluded that with all the facts and evidence presented

predicting that Ayeeshia's mother would have killed her was not

possible. Let me bring in Peter Saunders and

Peter Gosden. Good morning. Peter Saunders, how do you respond to some

of the news emerging from the review? In the 20 years that my

organisation has been running, I have kind of lost count of how many

times I have been asked to comment on the merger or abuse of children

and the ensuing serious case reviews. And once again we're having

this discussion. I think it is really important at this point, and

the National organisation for the survivors, because mercifully most

children who are battered and abused as children to grow up and we pick

up the pieces on a daily basis, but I think this reiterates the

importance of the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse that

is being undertaken. It is the largest such inquiry ever undertaken

and it needs to be supported, because we have far too many of

these child deaths. We don't, actually. It is important to say it

is rare. This is horrific and tragic. We have to putted into

context but it is not rare to the child whose life has been lost, and

to the families affected by this. It is about sending messages out. I

have only had the chance to briefly read the report, it has just come

out. They're always lessons to be learned and there was lots of good

practice. Point number one is we have to remember who killed this

child at the end of the day, it was her mother but there was clearly

disorganisation around the agencies that were there to support the

mother and to ultimately save that child, and I am afraid she was let

down. Let me bring in a representative from the Association

Of Child Abuse Lawyers. , the agencies around them and this little

girl concentrated too much on the mum's relationships with other men

rather than her relationship with the child. I am to say that these

serious case reviews are all too Common and the same messages come

out over and over again. That opportunities to do more have been

missed and that the agencies don't work together enough to be proactive

rather than reactive. There are very well orchestrated solutions to this

problem, which I have campaigned for the many years. It is mandatory

reporting. That would be a method of creating a better joint of

communication process for all the different agencies so that when

intelligence is discovered about a child at risk, it is put on some

sort of collective database which I would advocate should be led by the

local authority designated officer, all the information is centralised.

There is one collection point over and over again, there is not enough

working together, despite the best efforts of public services. I

understand the campaign for mandatory reporting, we have covered

it on the programme a number of times, but in the case of this

little girl I am not sure how that would have helped save her life, as

you have heard the reviews said no one could predict that in the end

the mum would kill her own daughter? No. Obviously I have not read the

report, it has only just come out, I would need to study it in more

detail. But once again we have a comment but not enough concentration

was placed on the child, which echoes what Peters says that the

victim is often lost in this and concentration is put on the way in

which the local authority social workers behaved towards the family.

Lessons can always be learned and I am sure they will be in this case.

Thank you both very much. A paedophile has been jailed for

16 years after admitting rape, despite being thousands of miles

away when the offences happened. John Denison has more. Pretty

horrendous, one of the senior police officers involved described it as

the most disturbing of his career. Paul Leighton, 32 from Seaham in

County Durham, he set up up to 40 fake Facebook accounts to befriend

children in the UK, but primarily in the United States, Australia,

Canada. He persuaded them, posing often as young girls themselves, he

persuaded those boys, often, to send naked selfies of themselves to him,

he then blackmailed those children into committing horrific abuse. In

one case a 14-year-old boy from Florida was blackmailed into raping

his own one-year-old niece. Another case in Tennessee, a young girl

blackmailed into having sex with her own brother.

Do we have details about how he was tracked down? We don't. I think

police have been... Of these specialist team is looking into the

use of social media. I think the lesson the police will be pointed

out here is don't send naked pictures of yourself, young

children, you just don't know who you are dealing with online. What is

unusual about this case is he admitted three counts of rape, even

though he was thousands and thousands of miles away from the

offence... Where the offences took place. I should add that the

children who carried out those rapes overseas have also been picked up in

the United States. Thank you very much.

Former Girls Aloud singer Cheryl says she's "disappointed"

to have her role in L'Oreal's diversity campaign questioned

She has dropped her surname, whichever one it was!

Yesterday model Munroe Bergdorf told us she couldn't understand why she'd

been sacked for saying white people benefit from racism

This has been world news and it's not something that

I shouldn't be sacked for calling out racism

when I was in a campaign that was meant to be

Especially when I was speaking about the violence of white people,

but then they've got Cheryl Cole on the campaign and she was

convicted for actively punching a black woman in the face.

I don't understand how I'm not in line with their values

but they will hire Cheryl Cole over and over again and give her

more and more chances but she was convicted for punching

Does she not deserve a second chance?

I think if you're going to put a woman who punched a black woman

in the face as the face of diversity that just says a lot about white

In a statement after that interview Chery's

"More than 14 years ago Cheryl was unanimously acquitted

of a charge of racially aggravated assault.

She is disappointed to find her name involved in

In 2003, Cheryl was found guilty of assault occasioning actual bodily

harm following an altercation with nightclub toilet

She was sentenced to 120 hours of community service

and ordered to pay her victim ?500 in compensation.

21-year-old Dean Eastmond died of cancer at the weekend.

The LGBT activist touched thousands of people with his frank,

poignant and moving articles about living with cancer.

He was diagnosed with Ewing's sarcoma, a rare form of bone

This is him speaking to Attitude magazine earlier this year.

Being diagnosed with cancer is exactly how you imagine it to be,

like when you watch TV and you see it, dark, dingy, clammy,

grey room and the doctor doesn't even know how to look

They deal the news that, "Hey, you've got stage 2B Ewing's Sarcoma

on your rib on the right-hand side of your chest and there's only

a 50% chance that you're going to see your 21st birthday."

I think it was last month when I heard that my

treatment was not successful and the cancer had spread.

"But we're not here to make you better.

"We're here to try and stop from dying."

I come across so brave and positive online,

but the reality is that this is the hardest, most

I try and keep it together, but it's absolutely terrifying,

imagining my boyfriend pouring a bowl of cereal in the morning

and accidentally getting out two bowls instead of one.

Or my ten-year-old brother not getting what's going

on at the moment but asking Mum in a few years' time,

The thing that's got me through the last year has

It sounds so cliched and so typical to say that,

Knowing that I'm going into this next chapter,

I know it's going to the same people who will stick around,

it's the rejects and queers and queens and everything

Knowing that I belong in this bubble of everything is just the most

incredible thing and I'm fighting to be back in there.

We were due to speak to him on this programme last week,

but he had deteriorated over the previous weekend.

His boyfriend and younger brother wanted to speak to us this morning -

in their first interview - to pay tribute to

Adam Packer is with us now along with Drew Eastmond,

Dean's 18-year-old brother and Josh Fletcher, Dean's best

friend who co-founded a gay lifestyle magazine

This is a really difficult time for all of you. Really, really tough.

But you want to tell the world about Dean. Those people who don't already