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Hello, it's Wednesday, it's 9am, I'm Chloe Tilley. | :00:00. | :00:09. | |
The Government is looking at ways to reduce the number of low skilled EU | :00:10. | :00:23. | |
migrants after Brexit. According to a leaked Home Office leaked | :00:24. | :00:28. | |
document. We want companies to do more to | :00:29. | :00:33. | |
improve skills of those who leave our colleges. We are not closing the | :00:34. | :00:38. | |
door on all future immigration, but it has to be managed properly. | :00:39. | :00:44. | |
Bosses faced being told they could be taxed if they keep taking on | :00:45. | :00:50. | |
unskilled EU migrants and should put British workers first. | :00:51. | :00:53. | |
As thousands of nurses prepare to lobby Parliament over their pay, | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
some of them tell us why they can't afford to live on what they get. | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
I'm Michael. I'm a nurse. I'm ?400 a month worse off under the pay cap. | :01:02. | :01:11. | |
We report on a scheme in Glasgow to help refugees who previously worked | :01:12. | :01:24. | |
as doctors join the NHS. Lots of colleagues who are doctors living | :01:25. | :01:26. | |
here and they are working other jobs. Some of them are even taxi | :01:27. | :01:34. | |
drivers which has let down hope for a lot of people and when you hear | :01:35. | :01:39. | |
about this, it has given us a lot of hope. | :01:40. | :01:47. | |
Hello. Welcome to the programme. | :01:48. | :01:50. | |
We're also talking about endometriosis this morning, | :01:51. | :01:56. | |
an incurable condition affecting women which causes extreme pain | :01:57. | :01:58. | |
Under new NHS guidelines should improve the treatment people get, | :01:59. | :02:10. | |
Do get in touch if it's something you've suffered from. | :02:11. | :02:13. | |
Use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and if you text, you will be charged | :02:14. | :02:16. | |
A leaked Home Office document has set out plans for how | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
the UK immigration system could work after Brexit. | :02:22. | :02:25. | |
The paper, which has been published by the Guardian newspaper, | :02:26. | :02:27. | |
considers how the Government could dramatically reduce the number | :02:28. | :02:30. | |
It also proposes time limits on how long EU nationals | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
The BBC understands the document - which was produced last month - | :02:36. | :02:40. | |
Our Political Guru Norman Smith is in Westminster this morning. | :02:41. | :02:48. | |
Norman, tell us more about what's in the leaked document? Well, there are | :02:49. | :02:54. | |
two sort of big thoughts in this document. One is the desire for a | :02:55. | :03:01. | |
concerted climb-down on unskilled EU migration into the UK and the second | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
is to put British workers first. To give them priority. Now, how would | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
this work out? Well the Government is suggesting you could say to | :03:12. | :03:15. | |
unskilled EU workers coming to Britain, you can only stay for two | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
years, you would have to get a certain salary level. You couldn't | :03:20. | :03:22. | |
come here and look for a job, you would have to have a job to come to | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
and the Government is also thinking about just imposing a blanket cap on | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
the number of unskilled workers from the EU who can come here. So they | :03:32. | :03:35. | |
would say well, you can have X thousands, but no more than that. As | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
for business, they will be under an obligation to try and recruit local | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
British workers first and they will have to pass a test to show that | :03:46. | :03:51. | |
they have gone out and tried to recruit British workers and if then | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
they still want to recruit people from the EU, they could face a | :03:57. | :04:02. | |
charge, a tax, and that money would go to train up British workers. So, | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
it's a very, very big change from what the current sort of freedom of | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
movement regime and while it's not definite Government policy, I think, | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
we do get a clear insight into the strategy the Government is hoping to | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
unveil once we finally get the immigration plans unveiled in the | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
autumn. How is it being received, Norman? Well, business, I think, is | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
already deeply alarmed and the reason for that is they say look, | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
there simply aren't the indigenous British workers out there to take up | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
all the unskilled jobs because unemployment is down at around 4.5%. | :04:41. | :04:43. | |
That's nearly full employment. So they say look, we have got to go out | :04:44. | :04:49. | |
to Europe to bring in those unskilled workers otherwise we can't | :04:50. | :04:52. | |
meet customer demand and we can't grow our businesses. The response | :04:53. | :04:58. | |
from ministers has been to say look, immigration was at the heart of the | :04:59. | :05:00. | |
referendum campaign. There is no getting away from it and this | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
morning the Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon was saying he would | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
make no apology for bearing down on immigration. Let's be clear, freedom | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
of movement has to end. It has to end because legally we're living the | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
European Union, that's what people voted for last year and freedom of | :05:17. | :05:19. | |
movement is part of membership. So that has to finish. We don't want to | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
shut the down on I will gration, but equally the public want to see | :05:25. | :05:27. | |
immigration continue to come down. It's falling at the moment. We've | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
always said we want to get it manageable, down from hundreds of | :05:32. | :05:35. | |
thousands a year, down to tens of thousands a year to reduce the | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
pressure on public services. So we will set out the proposals as to who | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
can come here from the rest of the European Union, how long they can | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
work here and what their varied will be and it will be set out by the | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
Home Secretary later this year. Chloe this is going to provoke a | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
huge row, debate, call it what you will over the road in Westminster | :05:59. | :06:00. | |
including in the Conservative Party. When you talk to different ministers | :06:01. | :06:06. | |
they say, "Well, I don't want any reduction in EU migrants in my | :06:07. | :06:09. | |
particular field." No one really wants to see fewer NHS workers from | :06:10. | :06:14. | |
the EU or fewer care workers. No one really wants to see fewer farm | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
workers coming to work in fruit farms. No one wants to see fewer | :06:20. | :06:22. | |
construction workers. The difficulty is working out who are the unskilled | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
EU workers that the Government now wants to keep out. Norman, thank you | :06:27. | :06:29. | |
very much. Annita is in the BBC | :06:30. | :06:31. | |
Newsroom with a summary Islands in the Caribbean | :06:32. | :06:33. | |
are making last-minute preparations for Hurricane Irma, | :06:34. | :06:41. | |
one of the most powerful Atlantic storms on record | :06:42. | :06:43. | |
with officials warning of its "potentially | :06:44. | :06:45. | |
catastrophic" effects. It's already lashing the British | :06:46. | :06:46. | |
territory of Anguilla where residents say the powerful | :06:47. | :06:48. | |
waves and high winds have been Latest reports say the eye | :06:49. | :06:51. | |
of the hurricane is passing over Our correspondent | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
Sarah Corker reports. This is the eye of | :06:56. | :07:02. | |
the storm from space. Dramatic images from Nasa | :07:03. | :07:05. | |
capture the sheer scale The category five storm | :07:06. | :07:08. | |
is on a collision course Popular holiday destinations | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
like Antigua and Saint Martin are preparing for life-threatening | :07:14. | :07:19. | |
winds and torrential rains. Storm surges of up to 12-feet | :07:20. | :07:21. | |
are forecast and overnight some Irma's path may change but at | :07:22. | :07:24. | |
the moment it looks set to head towards the British Virgin Islands, | :07:25. | :07:37. | |
Puerto Rico, Cuba and by People are securing their homes and | :07:38. | :07:48. | |
stocking up on essentials. The dough minutical republic the | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
rains have already arrived. The tourist like, like its neighbour, | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
Haiti issued hurricane warnings. And in Florida, a state of emergency has | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
been declared. The torm is massive and the storm surge will go for | :08:03. | :08:07. | |
miles and miles. Right now Irma is travelling at 15mph and the track | :08:08. | :08:11. | |
has it forecasted to move just south of the Florida quays on a westerly | :08:12. | :08:16. | |
path with a slight north-west turn. It is important that all Floridans | :08:17. | :08:23. | |
keep an eye on this storm. Do not sit and wait to prepare, get | :08:24. | :08:32. | |
prepared now. The storm's track may change. | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
This monster hurricane comes on the heels of Harvey, which struck | :08:38. | :08:40. | |
This But Irma is a bigger storm and potentially more dangerous. In | :08:41. | :08:52. | |
Miami, they are preparing for the worst. This is not a storm to be | :08:53. | :08:58. | |
taken lightly. This is probably the worst one since we moved here in | :08:59. | :09:06. | |
2003. I have lived through Hurricane Andrew and Hurricane Katrina and | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
Hurricane Wilma. A research plane filmed these pictures from inside | :09:13. | :09:15. | |
the hurricane to predict its route and now millions of people across | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
the Caribbean are preparing for this potentially catastrophic storm. | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
A 14-year-old boy has died after a double | :09:24. | :09:25. | |
Corey Junior Davis and another boy, who's 17, were found with gunshot | :09:26. | :09:36. | |
injuries in Forest Gate on Monday afternoon. | :09:37. | :09:37. | |
The second victim is said to have "life-changing injuries". | :09:38. | :09:39. | |
Police have launched a murder investigation. | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
Russian President Vladimir Putin has said that North Korea's nuclear | :09:45. | :09:46. | |
and missile programme are a "flagrant violation" | :09:47. | :09:48. | |
Speaking after talks with his South Korean counterpart | :09:49. | :09:51. | |
in the Russia city of Vladivostok, Mr Putin also called for talks | :09:52. | :09:54. | |
to try to resolve the crisis, warning that no resolution would be | :09:55. | :09:57. | |
possible with just sanctions and pressure alone. | :09:58. | :10:04. | |
The de-facto leader of Myanmar, Aung San Suu Kyi, has claimed | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
that the crisis in Rakhine state is being distorted by | :10:09. | :10:10. | |
Myanmar is currently under intense diplomatic pressure to end | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
the violence its security forces are reportedly inflicting | :10:15. | :10:16. | |
Nearly 150,000 people have fled into neighbouring Bangladesh. | :10:17. | :10:28. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am. | :10:29. | :10:34. | |
Get in touch with us throughout the morning - | :10:35. | :10:37. | |
use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text, you will be charged | :10:38. | :10:40. | |
use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and if you text, you will be charged | :10:41. | :10:43. | |
He only made his debut for Wales at the weekend and already he's | :10:44. | :10:55. | |
turning into a real star in the side, isn't he? | :10:56. | :11:03. | |
E-Ben Woodburn could well become the next big star. He is thought of | :11:04. | :11:11. | |
highly by his club manager, Jurgen Klopp. His international manager | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
decided to bring him in for Wales at the age of 17. He had a real effect. | :11:17. | :11:23. | |
He scored a winner on his debut and in last night's qualifier, well he | :11:24. | :11:29. | |
made another impact off the bench. The Liverpool man, showed no fear so | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
far in a Welsh shirt. He has defied his age. Good wide play from him to | :11:35. | :11:39. | |
set up the opening goal. It was a Man of the Match performance from | :11:40. | :11:45. | |
Woodburn. So we could be looking at another Ryan Giggs or Gareth Bale, | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
Aaron Ramsey getting another goal to put a seal on the result, but it was | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
a very important win for Wales because that result coupled with | :11:54. | :11:55. | |
defeat for the Republic of Ireland in their game with Serbia means that | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
Wales have moved into second spot in Group D. That gives them a good | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
chance of a play-off spot with a couple of qualifying games left. | :12:05. | :12:09. | |
Wales and Ireland will face each other in a final qualifier in a | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
month's time. That could be a winner takes all decider. | :12:14. | :12:15. | |
Now, the England women's manager Mark Sampson has been responding | :12:16. | :12:21. | |
Yes. There has been a bit of a storm at the FA over this. The former | :12:22. | :12:33. | |
striker alleged an atmosphere of bullying and discrimination. She | :12:34. | :12:40. | |
said that had been created by Sam son and included allegations of | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
racially insensitive language and Sam son has been cleared by a FA and | :12:45. | :12:47. | |
independent investigation and yesterday he chose to speak about | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
the issue. He said his conscience was clear responding to the claim | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
that he joked that he didn't want her Nigerian family to bring ebola | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
to an England game. This is what he had to say. I have heard the | :13:02. | :13:06. | |
specifics of the allegation and at the time we released a statement to | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
be very clear that I didn't say that and I'm very disappointed the | :13:12. | :13:14. | |
allegation has come out and I understand it. All I can say is I | :13:15. | :13:20. | |
didn't say that with any of my communication, my intention clearly | :13:21. | :13:24. | |
is to support the players, give them confidence and give them every | :13:25. | :13:26. | |
chance to be successful on the field. | :13:27. | :13:36. | |
She has claimed she e-mailed Sam son and he hasn't responded. We will see | :13:37. | :13:42. | |
if the FA chooses to look at this further. | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
Football will lose one of its greatest commentators | :13:47. | :13:50. | |
at the end of this season - John Motson. | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
We will hear and see less of John Motson. He is deciding to hang up | :13:56. | :14:04. | |
the microphone after 50 years. He covered ten World Cups, ten euros, | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
29 FA Cup Finals and more than 200 England games. He is at the age of | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
72. He says he wants to stay within football and commentary. He won't be | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
retiring from everything, but we won't have him describing a goal or | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
two on a Saturday night and that will be a brand-new feeling for many | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
of the football fans up and down the country. Hugh, thank you. I'll catch | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
up with you later on. Hundreds of nurses are expected | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
to gather in Central London later to demand a pay rise | :14:33. | :14:35. | |
from the Government It comes as the Scottish government | :14:36. | :14:36. | |
announce the pay cap in Scotland will be lifted and after hints | :14:37. | :14:41. | |
from ministers that things could be Tell me how your life has been | :14:42. | :15:04. | |
affected by the pay cap? I worry a lot more about money than I used to. | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
Money is a lot tighter at the end of the month, there is less money left. | :15:10. | :15:15. | |
So that means maybe you don't have a holiday that year or you shop for a | :15:16. | :15:22. | |
cheaper brand in the supermarket. But it's also about how we feel | :15:23. | :15:26. | |
under valued. So it's about yes, about money, but it's also every | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
time the pay cap stays in place and every time we are told there is no | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
money, it is a slap in the face for hard-working nurses and health care | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
assistants, midwives, doctors, operating department practitioners, | :15:42. | :15:42. | |
radiographers, everybody that works in the NHS and it is not, some of | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
the lower paid staff that are really suffering. So health care assistants | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
who are on band two, admin staff who are band ones, band twos, band | :15:52. | :15:55. | |
threes which are the lower pay scales because they have had their | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
pay frozen in the same way. It isn't just nurses that are suffering, it | :16:01. | :16:01. | |
is staff across the NHS. Emma Louise, you are in Glasgow, so | :16:02. | :16:16. | |
you will benefit from the cap is being lifted in Scotland. But that | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
does not mean I will not keep fighting for it to be lifted across | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
the UK. As well as that, I am a student, but I have benefited from | :16:25. | :16:30. | |
the bursary appear, and I would love to see it being overturned down | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
south, because I can see the number of nurses decreasing rapidly without | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
that bursary in place. On top of that, Michael is right when he says | :16:40. | :16:42. | |
it is about being undervalued, because we are out there saving your | :16:43. | :16:50. | |
family's life, and it is about the same respect been coming back to us. | :16:51. | :16:56. | |
I know that you used to be a nurse yourself - is the pay capped their? | :16:57. | :17:02. | |
I worked under the bank, but I worked under the cap and a pay | :17:03. | :17:07. | |
freeze from 2010-15, so I have done five years and I know how tough it | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
is. Nurses don't go into the profession to become wealthy or to | :17:13. | :17:19. | |
earn huge wages. It is about the recognition of how hard nurses have | :17:20. | :17:24. | |
worked, and about the whole public sector and what it says to people | :17:25. | :17:28. | |
when we say, we can't afford to give you a pay rise. But it is your | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
Government that has enforced that. I am one of many colleagues trying to | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
influence the Government to lift the pay cut. I am sponsoring an event | :17:37. | :17:40. | |
with the RCN to raise awareness amongst MPs not just about the pay | :17:41. | :17:44. | |
rise but to showcase what nurses really do, because I think there is | :17:45. | :17:47. | |
a lack of understanding about how the role has changed and the crucial | :17:48. | :17:56. | |
work that nurses do, both in hospitals and the community, and | :17:57. | :17:58. | |
what a difference they make to the NHS. Sam, introduce yourself, | :17:59. | :18:05. | |
please. I am the Executive Director of a free-market think tank. After | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
the crisis, public sector wages rose as private sector wages collapsed, | :18:11. | :18:13. | |
so the gap between the public and private sectors became large. The | :18:14. | :18:18. | |
purpose of the pay freeze was to close that gap so that | :18:19. | :18:24. | |
private-sector ways these -- wages and public sector could go back to | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
the pre-crisis point. So you back the pay cap? Correct. It is probably | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
time to think about getting rid of it, and I think there probably isn't | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
a case for having a cap on all Government workers. It is a little | :18:39. | :18:42. | |
strange to say that nurses should be treated the same way as tax | :18:43. | :18:46. | |
collectors, for example. But we also need to remember that private-sector | :18:47. | :18:49. | |
wages have been very sluggish and are still not much higher than they | :18:50. | :18:53. | |
were ten years ago. When we talk about stuff like this, we need to | :18:54. | :18:57. | |
remember that the private sector, which pays for this, is also | :18:58. | :19:00. | |
suffering and has had a difficult time, but it may be time to review | :19:01. | :19:05. | |
this and look at alternatives. Lorraine, I want to bring you in at | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
this point, if I made. Do you think that nurses, firefighters, police | :19:11. | :19:13. | |
officers are special cases and should have the cap removed? Very | :19:14. | :19:19. | |
much so. I think front line emergency services are needed, and | :19:20. | :19:24. | |
the skills that they have taken years to get... They also have to | :19:25. | :19:30. | |
keep continual development to keep their accreditation, and I think | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
that they should be treated specially in terms of the private | :19:35. | :19:40. | |
sector. Sam said it is tough for people in the private sector, and | :19:41. | :19:43. | |
many people watching the programme will say, I haven't had a pay rise | :19:44. | :19:46. | |
for many years, and I know that has been the case for you as well. I | :19:47. | :19:53. | |
left the private sector. I work for a telecoms company for 31 years. For | :19:54. | :20:01. | |
the last few years, since 2008, we didn't have a pay award at all. We | :20:02. | :20:09. | |
have had bonuses cut, but no pay award, which has an effect on our | :20:10. | :20:16. | |
pension payments. Our pension will be a lot less when we retire. Yes, I | :20:17. | :20:26. | |
do see that our pay award is based on performance, not just | :20:27. | :20:29. | |
individually but on the company's performance, and in some instances, | :20:30. | :20:35. | |
yes, you can use that yardstick, but in front line emergency services, | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
like fire, police, etc, you need to be able to pay them a living wage, | :20:40. | :20:44. | |
especially in areas like London, where the cost of living is very | :20:45. | :20:50. | |
high. And also, we have got to keep and attract key personnel in the | :20:51. | :20:55. | |
industry. If not, you get a situation like the one I have in | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
Luton, where we have to recruit internationally. They do brilliant | :21:00. | :21:07. | |
work in terms of looking after our pregnant women in the local hospital | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
here, but we have to look externally to get the skills to bring in, which | :21:12. | :21:16. | |
is ludicrous. I want to bring saffron into the | :21:17. | :21:24. | |
conversation. I am an adviser at NHS providers, and we represent hospital | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
and ambulance trusts in England. How much will it cost to lift the pay | :21:30. | :21:39. | |
cap? The Institute of fiscal studies says it would cost ?1 billion per | :21:40. | :21:42. | |
year. It is a substantial amount of money. But I would say that we | :21:43. | :21:48. | |
called for an end to the pay cap last year, and we were amongst the | :21:49. | :21:52. | |
first to do so, because we know it is critical that we not only recruit | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
new staff into the NHS so we can maintain safe services but that we | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
also retain those staff that R.N. There. We know there is huge | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
pressure on the front line at the moment, and it is impacting on | :22:06. | :22:08. | |
morale, and pay is one of those elements that we can see boosting | :22:09. | :22:12. | |
morale. It is absolutely fundamental. Let's talk about the | :22:13. | :22:17. | |
realities: Theresa May has said there was no magic money tree, so | :22:18. | :22:20. | |
where does this ?1 billion a year come from? Across the public sector, | :22:21. | :22:28. | |
if we lifted the cap, it would cost ?9 billion. I think there is | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
sympathy from the public sector workers from the first few years -- | :22:34. | :22:41. | |
for the first few years, but that is waning. We still have a deficit that | :22:42. | :22:45. | |
is costing ?46 billion a year, and if we just increase public sector | :22:46. | :22:49. | |
spending, the interest payments will go up, and that is money we could | :22:50. | :22:53. | |
spend on front line services. It is not just as simple as spending more | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
money. We either raise taxes, which will hit those people getting the | :22:58. | :23:01. | |
pay rise, or we make tough decisions. The money would have to | :23:02. | :23:04. | |
come from another department or another policy, and that is the | :23:05. | :23:11. | |
tough decision Government has to make. It is not easy. That is an | :23:12. | :23:14. | |
important point. The other one is, if we found that we had ?9 billion | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
to spend, would it necessarily be best spent on wages? Yes, in some | :23:19. | :23:29. | |
cases, no in others. It is not clear that the money should always go to | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
wages. The way the debate is focused, it seems as if it is the | :23:35. | :23:37. | |
only thing the Government should spend money on. I think it is | :23:38. | :23:44. | |
fundamental that we look at what the NHS's biggest asset is - its | :23:45. | :23:47. | |
workforce. We need to invest in that. We need to do that so that | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
services can transform. You can't transform services without the staff | :23:53. | :23:56. | |
to do it. It fundamentally has to be new money. The ?8 billion that the | :23:57. | :24:01. | |
Conservatives put in their manifesto for the NHS over the course of the | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
next parliament, that will go on tackling demand, on keeping services | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
going. We need to see new money for this pay cap, not money taken up | :24:10. | :24:17. | |
elsewhere. So it is taxes? It is for politicians to decide how they raise | :24:18. | :24:21. | |
that money. It is for the service to deliver the service. Politicians | :24:22. | :24:24. | |
decide how much they will spend on the NHS, which we know is held dear | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
in everyone's hearts. You have been listening patiently and I know you a | :24:30. | :24:34. | |
dental nurse, and your mum is a nurse as well. Just explain to | :24:35. | :24:38. | |
people watching how your life has been affected by the pay cap, and | :24:39. | :24:42. | |
respond to what other people had been saying. Basically, we had to go | :24:43. | :24:46. | |
to food banks. We would be scraping around for food. She couldn't afford | :24:47. | :24:53. | |
her NMC registration most years, and that is about ?120 a year that | :24:54. | :24:56. | |
nurses have to pay to remain qualified and to keep their jobs. | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
She couldn't afford that, so she had to go to a charitable organisation. | :25:01. | :25:09. | |
To her, that was quite embarrassing and hurt deeply, because she would | :25:10. | :25:15. | |
be working 50 hours a week and would have hardly anything to show. People | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
find it staggering. You say your mum had to go to a food bank even though | :25:20. | :25:26. | |
she was working full time as a nurse? That's right, full-time hours | :25:27. | :25:31. | |
and extra hours on top. She would have hardly anything to show for it. | :25:32. | :25:34. | |
She had to get help with bills as well. I try to get a job when I was | :25:35. | :25:40. | |
13 just so I could help her. It is a difficult situation which thousands | :25:41. | :25:44. | |
of families are in right now. So, what is the answer? We're talking | :25:45. | :25:50. | |
about the reality of lifting the pay cap being that this ?8 billion has | :25:51. | :25:56. | |
to be found. Higher taxes or taking money from elsewhere - what is the | :25:57. | :26:00. | |
best option? I think taking it from elsewhere. Everyone has taxes, | :26:01. | :26:04. | |
including everyone in the public sector, who would have to pay more. | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
They wouldn't benefit from that. I think they need to look elsewhere | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
for this money. Everyone should benefit and not have more taken away | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
from them. Marina has just rushed into the studio. Thanks so much for | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
dashing in to see us. You are a student nurse? Just about to | :26:24. | :26:28. | |
qualify, yes. I will start work in a few months. How do you feel right | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
now? Michael was speaking at the beginning of the programme, saying | :26:33. | :26:37. | |
how undervalued he feels at a nurse. How do you feel as you approach this | :26:38. | :26:44. | |
new era in your life? I agree, it is a sad time. I started nursing | :26:45. | :26:50. | |
because I have a passion for caring people, and it is a sad time to | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
almost be a baby nurse, embarking the career in a climate where it is | :26:55. | :26:59. | |
clear that the Government just doesn't care. We want to care for | :27:00. | :27:03. | |
people, and we can't even care for ourselves and our families. I'm | :27:04. | :27:09. | |
starting my career on pay that has been cut for the last few years and | :27:10. | :27:14. | |
will not be going up to match the cost of living any time soon under | :27:15. | :27:21. | |
the current plans. Yeah, it is a really difficult... Speak to Maria. | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
She is a Conservative MP and used to be a nurse. Maria, speak to Marina - | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
she says your Government doesn't care. The Government does care. They | :27:31. | :27:36. | |
are in a difficult situation. If they simply spend more public money, | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
we will all pay that and we will all lose that ?46 billion we're paying | :27:42. | :27:45. | |
on interest rates. If you don't pay the balance on your credit card, you | :27:46. | :27:49. | |
have to pay that interest when you could be spending it on your family. | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
The Government, it is just a big credit card, and if we simply | :27:55. | :27:57. | |
increase our spending, the money has to be paid back at some point. I get | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
it, because I still do bank shifts at my old hospital. The NHS staff | :28:02. | :28:08. | |
don't feel cared for. There are ways of doing this without simply lifting | :28:09. | :28:12. | |
the cap across the whole sector. If we focused on the lowest bands, | :28:13. | :28:18. | |
which are most nurses... What money are you talking about that people | :28:19. | :28:26. | |
would earn? It would be significantly less than ?9 billion. | :28:27. | :28:32. | |
Michael, do you know? Someone at the top of the increment would be on | :28:33. | :28:39. | |
about ?41,000. Band one, a member of the security staff, a catering | :28:40. | :28:43. | |
assistant, I think it is about 15,000, though I couldn't say for | :28:44. | :28:50. | |
sure. The gender -- agenda for change pay scales are online and you | :28:51. | :28:54. | |
can look at them. What you said about the magic money tree... I | :28:55. | :28:59. | |
raised that, to be fair. Somebody raised it. In the papers just this | :29:00. | :29:07. | |
week, there was a big headline of ?400,000 spent on ferrying | :29:08. | :29:09. | |
briefcases around London by ministers. There is money out there, | :29:10. | :29:13. | |
but it is about where it is being spent. There was another big | :29:14. | :29:16. | |
headline a few weeks ago - Jeremy Hunt was getting a new ?40,000 | :29:17. | :29:22. | |
bathroom in his new offices at the Department of Health. I don't know | :29:23. | :29:25. | |
if that is true, but there seem to be sums of money available that | :29:26. | :29:28. | |
perhaps are not going where they should be. No one is a bigger critic | :29:29. | :29:34. | |
of Government West than I am, but those are very small sums compared | :29:35. | :29:38. | |
to what we're talking about. I think Maria's approaches the right one: On | :29:39. | :29:47. | |
lower paid workers. We need to remember that job security is | :29:48. | :29:50. | |
stronger in the public sector than in the private sector. Pensions are | :29:51. | :29:53. | |
still better in the public sector than in the private. Those things | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
come into it as well. I'm not completely convinced that if we had | :29:58. | :30:01. | |
?9 billion to spend, the best thing would be to raise public sector | :30:02. | :30:08. | |
workers' wages, rather than for example changing the welfare freeze. | :30:09. | :30:12. | |
People who rely on welfare have much more dependency on food banks and | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
people in that position have suffered as well. The point is, if | :30:17. | :30:19. | |
we have this kind of money to spend, it is not clear it should be going | :30:20. | :30:25. | |
on public sector wages. I think the point about security in the public | :30:26. | :30:30. | |
sector, with the current climate, is null and void, because people are | :30:31. | :30:34. | |
leaving. They may have job security, but if they haven't got enough | :30:35. | :30:36. | |
security to raise their families and care for themselves, then, yeah, it | :30:37. | :30:39. | |
is kind pointless. We are talking about Agenda for | :30:40. | :30:51. | |
Change. Those people on the bands up to ?40,000. I think it is really | :30:52. | :30:54. | |
important that we're clear what we're talking about. One of the | :30:55. | :30:57. | |
things that's critical in this debate is that we make sure that the | :30:58. | :31:02. | |
pay review body, which is the kind of the organisation that will look | :31:03. | :31:07. | |
at pay is given a free hand to decide what the best level of pay | :31:08. | :31:12. | |
increase is. That should be a fully independent body that looks at that. | :31:13. | :31:15. | |
So that we actually know what needs to be spent to make sure that we | :31:16. | :31:20. | |
have the staff we need in place to deliver a safe service. So the | :31:21. | :31:25. | |
starting salary for a new nurse is about ?22,000 which works out about | :31:26. | :31:32. | |
?13 an hour. To put that into context, McDon't amds workers have | :31:33. | :31:36. | |
gone on strike for a ?10 an hour pay increase. We really do need to look | :31:37. | :31:41. | |
at what we're paying highly skilled, highly trained people that are doing | :31:42. | :31:45. | |
an amazing job and are doing it harder and harder all the time. | :31:46. | :31:49. | |
Jeremy Hunt regularly says the NHS is doing more work than its ever | :31:50. | :31:54. | |
done before. We can testify to that. But generally if you work in a | :31:55. | :31:58. | |
business and your business is doing more and more work and doing better | :31:59. | :32:02. | |
and better, you reward your staff and you recognise that your staff | :32:03. | :32:05. | |
are working really hard. Lots of people getting in touch with us on | :32:06. | :32:09. | |
the hashtag Victoria live. David says, "Low wages in whatever sector | :32:10. | :32:13. | |
are wrong. The only beneficiaries are employers and the rest struggle | :32:14. | :32:18. | |
to make ends meet." This one, Maria, it is a tweet from Rachel, "When was | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
the last pay cap for MPs and how much could be saved if we capped | :32:23. | :32:27. | |
their pay for seven years?" A tweet from Stewart saying, "The pay cap on | :32:28. | :32:32. | |
nurses is about choice, they can find money for what the Government | :32:33. | :32:38. | |
wants, but not for nurses." It is about choices and I'm trying to | :32:39. | :32:43. | |
raise the issue of nurses' pay, it isn't about the pay cap, it is about | :32:44. | :32:50. | |
nurses pay across-the-board. Nurses are taking on more and more roles | :32:51. | :32:53. | |
and the nursing profession feels under valued so the pay freeze and | :32:54. | :32:58. | |
the pay cap is one issue, but we need to look across-the-board at the | :32:59. | :33:01. | |
pay structure for nursing in the long-term. Briefly, if you would. It | :33:02. | :33:07. | |
is worth saying that the NHS isn't kind of set in stone on this issue. | :33:08. | :33:12. | |
They are really developing changing working inowe vaitively and bringing | :33:13. | :33:18. | |
in new roles so they can work more productively, it isn't about | :33:19. | :33:20. | |
something that isn't changing with the times. The NHS workforce is | :33:21. | :33:23. | |
often at the cutting edge of different ways of working and | :33:24. | :33:26. | |
different ways of delivering service, it is worth remembering | :33:27. | :33:31. | |
that we're not just asking for the pay cap to be lifted so that we can | :33:32. | :33:36. | |
support what's there, it's about supporting change as well which is | :33:37. | :33:40. | |
needed. Thank you all so much. Sorry, we're out of time, but thank | :33:41. | :33:44. | |
you for all of you giving up your time to speak to us this morning. | :33:45. | :33:47. | |
We invited the government to join our debate but they said | :33:48. | :33:50. | |
In a statement the Department of Health said: | :33:51. | :33:53. | |
"As the Secretary of State has made clear, | :33:54. | :33:55. | |
Ministers are well aware of the pressures on frontline NHS | :33:56. | :33:57. | |
staff, including nurses, who do a fantastic job. | :33:58. | :33:59. | |
The support and welfare of NHS staff is a top priority, | :34:00. | :34:02. | |
and the government is committed to ensuring they can continue | :34:03. | :34:04. | |
We are helping the NHS to make sure it has the right staff, | :34:05. | :34:11. | |
in the right place, at the right time to provide safe care - | :34:12. | :34:14. | |
that's why there are over 31,100 more professionally qualified | :34:15. | :34:16. | |
clinical staff, including over 11,600 more doctors, | :34:17. | :34:18. | |
and almost 12,000 more nurses on our wards since May 2010." | :34:19. | :34:31. | |
Still to come: How a ground-breaking scheme in Glasgow is helping | :34:32. | :34:33. | |
refugees who previously worked as doctors, join the NHS. | :34:34. | :34:41. | |
We'll be speaking to the descendant of the last King of Myanmar, | :34:42. | :34:45. | |
exiled by the British in 1885, a new documentary on the country's | :34:46. | :34:48. | |
Royal family and how their descendents continue to live | :34:49. | :34:53. | |
Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :34:54. | :35:07. | |
A leaked Home Office document has set out plans for how | :35:08. | :35:10. | |
the UK immigration system could work after Brexit. | :35:11. | :35:14. | |
The paper, which has been published by the Guardian newspaper, | :35:15. | :35:17. | |
considers how the Government could dramatically reduce the number | :35:18. | :35:19. | |
It also proposes time limits on how long EU nationals | :35:20. | :35:22. | |
The BBC understands the document, which was produced last month, | :35:23. | :35:28. | |
Winds from Hurricane Irma have begun lashing islands in the Caribbean - | :35:29. | :35:36. | |
where people have been told to evacuate their homes. | :35:37. | :35:39. | |
Officials are warning of the "potentially catastrophic" | :35:40. | :35:40. | |
effects of the Category Five hurricane which has already | :35:41. | :35:42. | |
It's starting to hit the Leeward Islands and will move | :35:43. | :35:48. | |
on towards Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. | :35:49. | :35:50. | |
It's projected to reach the US state of Florida on Saturday. | :35:51. | :35:56. | |
A 14-year-old boy has died after a double | :35:57. | :35:58. | |
Corey Junior Davis and another boy, who is 17,were found with gunshot | :35:59. | :36:03. | |
injuries in Forest Gate on Monday afternoon. | :36:04. | :36:07. | |
The second victim is said to have "life-changing injuries". | :36:08. | :36:10. | |
Police have launched a murder investigation. | :36:11. | :36:12. | |
Russian President Vladimir Putin has said that North Korea's nuclear | :36:13. | :36:19. | |
and missile programme are a "flagrant violation" | :36:20. | :36:20. | |
Speaking after talks with his South Korean counterpart | :36:21. | :36:27. | |
in the Russia city of Vladivostok, Mr Putin also called for talks | :36:28. | :36:30. | |
to try to resolve the crisis, warning that no resolution would be | :36:31. | :36:33. | |
possible with just sanctions and pressure alone. | :36:34. | :36:39. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10am. | :36:40. | :36:47. | |
17-year-old Ben Woodburn came off the bench and put in a Man | :36:48. | :36:54. | |
of the Match performance to help Wales to a 2-0 win over Moldova. | :36:55. | :36:57. | |
He set-up the opening goal for Hal Robson Kanu. | :36:58. | :36:59. | |
Aaron Ramsey got the second in the closing moments. | :37:00. | :37:01. | |
That win coupled with defeat for the Republic of Ireland at home | :37:02. | :37:04. | |
to Serbia, means Wales go into the play off spot | :37:05. | :37:06. | |
in Group D with two qualifiers remaining - | :37:07. | :37:08. | |
the sides do meet in the final group game. | :37:09. | :37:11. | |
At the age of 37, Venus Williams is into another Grand Slam semi-final. | :37:12. | :37:16. | |
She beat Petra Kvitova in a thrilling final set tie-break | :37:17. | :37:20. | |
to reach the last four at the US Open. | :37:21. | :37:22. | |
She'll face fellow American Sloane Stephens next. | :37:23. | :37:27. | |
Chris Froome doubled his lead yesterday. He won the 16th stage | :37:28. | :37:35. | |
time trial to extend his lead to one minute and 58 seconds with five | :37:36. | :37:38. | |
stages to go. That's all the sport for now. We | :37:39. | :37:39. | |
will be back with more after 10am. Doctors who've travelled to Scotland | :37:40. | :37:45. | |
as refugees are being given the chance to start working | :37:46. | :37:47. | |
for the NHS. A new training programme gives | :37:48. | :37:49. | |
qualified doctors training, language support and mentoring, | :37:50. | :37:51. | |
with the aim of helping them to register with | :37:52. | :37:53. | |
the General Medical Council The scheme is being funded | :37:54. | :37:55. | |
by the Scottish Government I always say to people that | :37:56. | :37:59. | |
I imagine taking out someone's appendix in Peshwar is not that | :38:00. | :38:12. | |
different to taking out someone's People arriving in the UK | :38:13. | :38:15. | |
and seeking asylum have been dispersed to Glasgow | :38:16. | :38:24. | |
for the last 17 years. Proportionately, it's got the second | :38:25. | :38:27. | |
highest population of asylum seekers And recently a lot of the people | :38:28. | :38:29. | |
arriving are highly qualified. I wish that one day this country | :38:30. | :38:41. | |
will be proud of me. So, Glasgow, hello, | :38:42. | :39:01. | |
how are you doing? Monday, | :39:02. | :39:03. | |
he seems confused. We would like you to do | :39:04. | :39:07. | |
an assessment of him. First, you can see | :39:08. | :39:10. | |
his airway's open. A class of doctors relearning | :39:11. | :39:16. | |
bits of their trade This exercise is situational | :39:17. | :39:18. | |
judgment and as part of a programme funded by the Scottish Government | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
that gives refugee doctors the skills to get their UK medical | :39:24. | :39:27. | |
registration approved, At the moment, these doctors are not | :39:28. | :39:29. | |
allowed to practice. Is it frustrating, not being able | :39:30. | :39:35. | |
to do what you're qualified for? You want to do it, | :39:36. | :39:46. | |
but your hand is cut. How qualified where | :39:47. | :39:59. | |
you back at home? I'm a qualified medical doctor, | :40:00. | :40:00. | |
I passed all my exams, licensed. It's hard to start again from zero, | :40:01. | :40:05. | |
because I already did everything. How do you make sure they've got | :40:06. | :40:14. | |
the right qualification? NHS Education for Scotland does that | :40:15. | :40:17. | |
bit of the programme, and they check out the qualifications | :40:18. | :40:21. | |
they bring with them. It's a bit difficult sometimes, | :40:22. | :40:24. | |
because the institutions that people have studied are perhaps no longer | :40:25. | :40:27. | |
there, but the process of becoming a doctor, | :40:28. | :40:29. | |
retraining as a doctor, is so complex that there | :40:30. | :40:31. | |
is no way that anyone who is not a doctor would get | :40:32. | :40:33. | |
through the clinical exams. And then once you give them fluid, | :40:34. | :40:39. | |
it's a diuretic, so you kind of go on the injuries that they've | :40:40. | :40:43. | |
got, plus the physical, What things is Pat saying that | :40:44. | :40:45. | |
are different, that things are done differently here to how you may have | :40:46. | :40:52. | |
learned them before? In my country, the system | :40:53. | :40:57. | |
is British, the medical system, But the nice thing is that he speaks | :40:58. | :40:59. | |
simple English-language. I would imagine when you're | :41:00. | :41:05. | |
learning English, local When you're actually | :41:06. | :41:11. | |
speaking to patients, sometimes they're not quite as clear | :41:12. | :41:15. | |
as you and I. For example, yesterday someone | :41:16. | :41:19. | |
told me I have a headache, And people say I had a couple | :41:20. | :41:21. | |
of beers, and they don't mean two. I don't think there's any difference | :41:22. | :41:33. | |
in the actual clinical skills. I think where there has | :41:34. | :41:36. | |
been a huge difference is attitudes to patients, | :41:37. | :41:41. | |
and attitudes to how And we had one surgeon | :41:42. | :41:43. | |
who didn't really seem to be in engaging in the class, | :41:44. | :41:50. | |
and when I asked him, he looked slightly puzzled, | :41:51. | :41:52. | |
and he said well, I'm a surgeon, and I said, yes, and he said well, | :41:53. | :41:55. | |
when I get my patients, they're asleep, I never have | :41:56. | :41:58. | |
to talk to them. So it's getting them to understand | :41:59. | :42:00. | |
that the NHS is very different. This man used to be | :42:01. | :42:03. | |
a doctor in the Iraqi army. He came to Scotland to study, | :42:04. | :42:07. | |
but his life was threatened in Iraq, It's quite confusing sometimes | :42:08. | :42:10. | |
because we know medical terms. If you tell them something | :42:11. | :42:17. | |
that is informal, it might not sound right | :42:18. | :42:20. | |
or the patient may not I learned to say how | :42:21. | :42:23. | |
are the waterworks down there? Before refugees can even | :42:24. | :42:32. | |
take their medical exams, they have to speak really good | :42:33. | :42:43. | |
English. Now that means taking | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
an English test, called IELTS, Now that's a test that even some | :42:49. | :42:50. | |
American and Australian doctors You can tell from the kind of words | :42:51. | :42:56. | |
being discussed in here, and the ideas, that this is a really | :42:57. | :43:17. | |
high level of English. It would be double R | :43:18. | :43:26. | |
if I were using it, so I incurred... The programme also arranges | :43:27. | :43:30. | |
placements with GPs or hospitals, all pushing towards passing | :43:31. | :43:32. | |
their medical exams. Have you been out of the medical | :43:33. | :43:40. | |
profession for some time? Yes, the sometime, maybe | :43:41. | :43:43. | |
four or five years. We have clients from every | :43:44. | :43:47. | |
conceivable area of work, and many of them find it | :43:48. | :43:49. | |
so difficult to get back into the jobs that they've done, | :43:50. | :43:52. | |
that they end up taking jobs for which they are | :43:53. | :43:55. | |
way over qualified. And I think underemployment | :43:56. | :44:07. | |
in the refugee population If someone is a qualified | :44:08. | :44:09. | |
accountant, and they are working pushing trolleys in Tesco's, | :44:10. | :44:14. | |
now there is an argument that they are actually taking a job | :44:15. | :44:16. | |
from a poorly qualified person Lots of colleagues, or people | :44:17. | :44:19. | |
who are doctors living here, Some of them are even taxi drivers | :44:20. | :44:22. | |
which has let down hope for a lot of people, | :44:23. | :44:29. | |
and this has given us a lot of hope. Fatimah was a surgeon | :44:30. | :44:33. | |
in the Middle East. She treated anti-government | :44:34. | :44:43. | |
protesters, and in the end her care for them meant she too was a target | :44:44. | :44:46. | |
for the government If I would say yes, then | :44:47. | :44:48. | |
where is my promise in medical graduation that we would treat | :44:49. | :44:57. | |
people equally and we will try to do whatever | :44:58. | :45:02. | |
is possible to help people? There are 38 people | :45:03. | :45:05. | |
on the programme at the moment. Asylum seekers are allowed | :45:06. | :45:15. | |
on as well as those who have been It is funded by ?160,000 | :45:16. | :45:18. | |
of Scottish Government money, and as part of the deal doctors | :45:19. | :45:25. | |
commit to working for NHS Scotland. I've been a doctor or a medical | :45:26. | :45:33. | |
student since I was 17. Being a doctor becomes a very | :45:34. | :45:35. | |
central part of your identity, you know, it's kind of who you are, | :45:36. | :45:38. | |
so I can understand how difficult it must be for a refugee doctors | :45:39. | :45:42. | |
where that part of their identity So you're part of this international | :45:43. | :45:45. | |
community of people. When I used to work | :45:46. | :45:48. | |
in the hospital in my country, and we would discuss with friends, | :45:49. | :45:53. | |
and come up with a certain difficult or rare disease, | :45:54. | :45:56. | |
and I cannot explain. As well as getting people back | :45:57. | :45:59. | |
to their careers as doctors being the right thing to do | :46:00. | :46:08. | |
from a humanitarian standpoint, it's also the right thing to do | :46:09. | :46:13. | |
financially because it would be a hugely wasted resource if people | :46:14. | :46:16. | |
had already gone through very expensive medical training were not | :46:17. | :46:19. | |
used as doctors. And medicine isn't a job | :46:20. | :46:28. | |
for any of these women and men, it's a vocation, | :46:29. | :46:30. | |
they want to practice medicine. Hopefully that I will pass | :46:31. | :46:32. | |
all exams, and first of all it is the language exam, | :46:33. | :46:36. | |
and to practice medicine again. And I wish that one day this country | :46:37. | :46:39. | |
will be proud of me. That report from Glasgow. If you | :46:40. | :46:54. | |
want to watch it or share it, you can go to our programme page. | :46:55. | :46:57. | |
Is the Government is planning a dramatic crackdown on EU migrant | :46:58. | :47:07. | |
labour after Brexit? We'll have the details. | :47:08. | :47:10. | |
Our next guest is the great-grandchild of Thibaw - | :47:11. | :47:12. | |
the last King of Myanmar - who was overthrown by the British | :47:13. | :47:15. | |
He's in the UK for the very first time since Myanmar - | :47:16. | :47:20. | |
also known as Burma - gained independence | :47:21. | :47:23. | |
from Britain, for the screening of a new documentary. | :47:24. | :47:25. | |
It's about the history of the country's Royal family | :47:26. | :47:27. | |
and how their descendents continue to live there in also | :47:28. | :47:30. | |
The film coincides with another crisis in Myanmar's troubled history | :47:31. | :47:35. | |
- the exodus of more than a hundred thousand of the country's | :47:36. | :47:41. | |
Rohingya Muslims who have fled the country after suffering violence | :47:42. | :47:44. | |
Rohingya Muslims who have fled the country after suffering violence | :47:45. | :47:48. | |
Life is a very complicated matter. It is a surprise to some of them | :47:49. | :48:08. | |
that we are still alive. We are born with a history. We have to accept. I | :48:09. | :48:25. | |
am the great-grandson of King Thibaw. We have a responsibility, | :48:26. | :48:29. | |
because that blood is running in our body. Princess Margaret, she likes | :48:30. | :48:38. | |
the free life, no? I like her. We lost our identity. | :48:39. | :48:48. | |
The incredible twists and turns their lives to, stranger than any | :48:49. | :48:53. | |
work of fiction. Let's talk now with the film's | :48:54. | :49:18. | |
director Alex Bescoby and its subject, great-grandson | :49:19. | :49:23. | |
of the former king, U Soe Win. Thank you both for coming in. Alex, | :49:24. | :49:32. | |
I want to ask you first of all why you wanted to make this film. Good | :49:33. | :49:37. | |
question. It is bizarre to be sat here with U Soe Win in London. Three | :49:38. | :49:42. | |
years ago we first met, and the story started to unfold of what | :49:43. | :49:47. | |
happened to his great-grandfather. And how his family vanished from | :49:48. | :49:53. | |
history. I had been studying Burmese history, and I had wanted to tell a | :49:54. | :49:57. | |
particular story, the story of Britain in Burma. Many people in | :49:58. | :50:02. | |
this country really have no idea about our shared history of what an | :50:03. | :50:05. | |
impact we had on this country. And I think a lot of what is happening in | :50:06. | :50:15. | |
modern Myanmar you can trace to its past, obviously. We started making | :50:16. | :50:18. | |
this film three years ago together, and we have ended up here in London, | :50:19. | :50:23. | |
showing him the city that I live in. Tell us why you wanted to take part. | :50:24. | :50:28. | |
I know when I was watching the film yesterday, you said in it, I was | :50:29. | :50:32. | |
surprised that you wanted to take part. What was the appeal for you? | :50:33. | :50:37. | |
From the very beginning, we were not much interested. Especially since we | :50:38. | :50:45. | |
lost our royalty. But in 2014, when we met this gentleman and also his | :50:46. | :50:57. | |
colleague, they wanted to show our lost families. And then we decided | :50:58. | :51:04. | |
to talk to them, because before, we didn't want to talk about this. I am | :51:05. | :51:12. | |
very surprised I am here in London. And you didn't want to talk about it | :51:13. | :51:16. | |
because it was a painful part of your family history? Our family lost | :51:17. | :51:28. | |
everything. When my great-grandfather was 85, only to | :51:29. | :51:32. | |
make daughters, very young, the first and second Princess, and the | :51:33. | :51:37. | |
third Princess was in her mother's boom, in a very late stage, and she | :51:38. | :51:46. | |
was born in madrasahs. -- in her mother's womb. They had objectives | :51:47. | :52:08. | |
we couldn't quite see. They only found us because we are lost. | :52:09. | :52:13. | |
Sometimes we don't know we are lost because we have been forgotten for | :52:14. | :52:18. | |
many years. You a forgotten, and people will find that fascinating to | :52:19. | :52:21. | |
watch this. Many people who watch this programme will not be familiar | :52:22. | :52:26. | |
with Myanmar's history. They may recognise the name Aung San Suu Kyi, | :52:27. | :52:29. | |
whom I know you have met. Before we talk about that, how were you | :52:30. | :52:35. | |
treated in your country? -- how are you treated in your country? Are you | :52:36. | :52:40. | |
given special status or are people unaware? We are just commoners. At | :52:41. | :52:46. | |
the same time, they have respect. The majority of us are Buddhists, | :52:47. | :52:54. | |
and the Kings, our ancestors, they were very staunch protectors of the | :52:55. | :53:04. | |
religion. In this city, everyone is busy, but in remote areas, they | :53:05. | :53:11. | |
still remember this attachment. When we first met, I was looking for him, | :53:12. | :53:18. | |
was sat next to her matter table, and figured it out afterwards. It | :53:19. | :53:25. | |
was that unknown, really. It has been wonderful to go through this | :53:26. | :53:29. | |
three-year journey with U Soe Win, because a lot of it we have been | :53:30. | :53:32. | |
finding out together. We visited India together to see the tomb of | :53:33. | :53:37. | |
his great-grandfather, still in exile, whether British said Tim. And | :53:38. | :53:42. | |
we have been sort of finding out more and more about the hidden | :53:43. | :53:45. | |
history of this story. I think it is important to get it out there, | :53:46. | :53:50. | |
because it is a story that's really important in Myanmar, but also the | :53:51. | :53:53. | |
British people to understand as well. As I say, you have met Aung | :53:54. | :53:59. | |
San Suu Kyi. Many people will be familiar, she was under house arrest | :54:00. | :54:04. | |
for many years in Myanmar. What is she like as a person and for you to | :54:05. | :54:11. | |
meet her? We have a personal attachment, I think. Why an I was | :54:12. | :54:17. | |
serving in the foreign service, she was under house arrest. She was | :54:18. | :54:27. | |
meeting a UN representative, and during the meetings, I was in charge | :54:28. | :54:34. | |
of protocol matters. I met her at the state guesthouse, welcomed them, | :54:35. | :54:41. | |
introduced the guests. I don't remember how many times we did that, | :54:42. | :54:47. | |
but on one occasion, while we were walking, she asked me, from where | :54:48. | :54:56. | |
IQ? I said, I'm from the Foreign Ministry, but I didn't stop there. I | :54:57. | :55:05. | |
said I am the nephew of a Prince that she knew personally. She | :55:06. | :55:09. | |
changed, she was smiling, and from then on, when we met,... We look | :55:10. | :55:18. | |
today at what is happening in your country, in Myanmar, a huge crisis | :55:19. | :55:25. | |
there right now. Second man has -- Aung San Suu Kyi has responded today | :55:26. | :55:37. | |
to the Muslims moving over the border to Bangladesh. We're very | :55:38. | :55:40. | |
sorry about that. At the same we would like to express that we are a | :55:41. | :55:43. | |
peace-loving country. We all believe that this matter should be | :55:44. | :55:59. | |
brought to an end as soon as possible. Do you hope for a quick | :56:00. | :56:10. | |
end to it? Do you think there will be? Yes. Aung San Suu Kyi has the | :56:11. | :56:21. | |
confidence of the international community, so we all believe. It is | :56:22. | :56:28. | |
heartbreaking to see. We have been working and living and travelling | :56:29. | :56:32. | |
around Myanmar for ten years, making this film for three years, and in | :56:33. | :56:36. | |
that time, I have seen thousands of incidences of kindness and | :56:37. | :56:41. | |
generosity, and I hope some of that comes across in this film. It's not | :56:42. | :56:45. | |
the Myanmar we want to know will stop and I think it is coincidental | :56:46. | :56:52. | |
that when we were making this film, we had the first credible election | :56:53. | :56:55. | |
in 50 years, and we film someone voting for the first time. We were | :56:56. | :56:59. | |
on the streets. And it is an unimaginable sense of hope for a | :57:00. | :57:04. | |
better future. And I think we both hope that Myanmar is still on the | :57:05. | :57:09. | |
right track, but there are a lot of challenges. Tell people where they | :57:10. | :57:15. | |
can see the film. That is why we're here. The Premier is on Saturday at | :57:16. | :57:19. | |
the British library. Sold out a month ago, which is great. But we're | :57:20. | :57:23. | |
hoping for a UK broadcast after the premiere, and we will take it on | :57:24. | :57:29. | |
tour next year because it is 70th anniversary of Myanmar's | :57:30. | :57:33. | |
independence from the UK. Thank you for coming in. I hope you enjoy your | :57:34. | :57:37. | |
trip to London. Get him to show you all the good sites. | :57:38. | :57:39. | |
Let's get the latest weather. Hurricane Irma has moved to here so | :57:40. | :57:59. | |
far. You can see the size and extent of the storm, with a well-defined | :58:00. | :58:04. | |
eye. It has been producing winds of 185 mph. Gusts over 200 mph. The | :58:05. | :58:11. | |
winds will be catastrophic from this hurricane. As well as heavy rainfall | :58:12. | :58:17. | |
and a significant storm surge too. It will move across parts of the | :58:18. | :58:21. | |
Virgin Islands, Haiti and the Dominican Republic, before heading | :58:22. | :58:25. | |
towards Cuba and eventually Florida by the time we get to the weekend. | :58:26. | :58:30. | |
There could be a storm surge of up to 15 feet, potentially catastrophic | :58:31. | :58:37. | |
impact from Hurricane Irma in the Caribbean. Closer to home, a much | :58:38. | :58:40. | |
quieter picture on this side of the Atlantic. A bright and breezy day. | :58:41. | :58:46. | |
Seems like this one, taken near Peterborough. And that is how it | :58:47. | :58:49. | |
stays through the day - bright, breezy, and for most of us, a dry | :58:50. | :58:56. | |
day. A few showers packing into the north and west. Scattered showers | :58:57. | :59:00. | |
across north-west Scotland, one or two back for Ireland, some for | :59:01. | :59:03. | |
north-west England and Wales. Elsewhere, likely to stay dry and | :59:04. | :59:07. | |
bright. A bit of a breeze from the west, and it feels fresh and less | :59:08. | :59:11. | |
humid than in recent days. In the afternoon, some of those showers | :59:12. | :59:14. | |
affect northern and western Scotland. Some sunshine in between. | :59:15. | :59:20. | |
Eastern Scotland will feel quite pleasant, 17 Celsius in Aberdeen. | :59:21. | :59:23. | |
That could be a passing shower in parts of Northern Ireland, but | :59:24. | :59:27. | |
mostly drive through the afternoon. A few isolated showers for Cumbria | :59:28. | :59:35. | |
and Lancashire. Across England and Wales, a lot of dry weather. Some | :59:36. | :59:43. | |
clout, but it shouldn't spoil the sunshine too much. Most of us will | :59:44. | :59:49. | |
be dry into the evening hours. And with clear skies and light winds, it | :59:50. | :59:54. | |
will be quite chilly once again. Later in the night, more cloud | :59:55. | :59:59. | |
arriving from the West, bringing the north-west some rain. Tomorrow, not | :00:00. | :00:02. | |
quite as chilly as it was first thing this morning. Through the day, | :00:03. | :00:09. | |
things start to change because we see wet and windy weather arriving | :00:10. | :00:14. | |
from the north-west. From Scotland's -- for Scotland and Northern | :00:15. | :00:18. | |
Ireland, a wet and blustery day. Further south-east across the UK, | :00:19. | :00:28. | |
you are more likely to say stay dry. With the arrival of this area of low | :00:29. | :00:31. | |
pressure, it marks a change to something more unsettled to end the | :00:32. | :00:35. | |
week. As we move into Friday morning, the low pressure sits to | :00:36. | :00:38. | |
the north of the UK, and we will see the wind rotating around that low | :00:39. | :00:41. | |
pressure, bringing plenty of blustery showers and more persistent | :00:42. | :00:47. | |
rainfall to southern counties of England. It will be cooler, 14-18dC. | :00:48. | :00:54. | |
Low pressure stays into the weekend. Sunshine and showers on Saturday, | :00:55. | :00:57. | |
but things could turn increasingly wet and windy on Sunday. | :00:58. | :01:07. | |
Hello, it's Wednesday, it's 10am, I'm Chloe Tiley. | :01:08. | :01:16. | |
The Government is looking at ways to dramatically reduce the number of | :01:17. | :01:22. | |
low skilled EU migrants after Brexit according to a leaked Home Office | :01:23. | :01:24. | |
document. We want British companies to do more | :01:25. | :01:28. | |
to train up British workers to do more to improve skills of those | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
who leave our colleges. So there is always | :01:33. | :01:34. | |
a balance to be struck. We're not closing the door | :01:35. | :01:36. | |
on all future immigration, Company bosses being faced by being | :01:37. | :01:43. | |
told put British workers fired or you will be taxed if you keep on | :01:44. | :01:45. | |
hiring unskilled EU workers. But critics say such a plan would be | :01:46. | :01:47. | |
disastrous for business. We look at the new NHS guidelines | :01:48. | :01:50. | |
on how to treat endometriosis - an incurable condition affecting 10% | :01:51. | :01:54. | |
of women which causes extreme pain Do get in touch if it's something | :01:55. | :01:57. | |
you've suffered from. And we'll have the latest on one | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
of the strongest storms ever recorded in the Atlantic - | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
Hurricane Irma is the size of Texas - and it's about to barrel | :02:05. | :02:07. | |
through the Caribbean. The advice has been if you're | :02:08. | :02:13. | |
in a flood prone area, get out. Like no two-ways about it | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
and obviously those big storm Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom | :02:19. | :02:20. | |
with a summary of today's news. A leaked Home Office document has | :02:21. | :02:35. | |
set out plans for how the UK immigration system | :02:36. | :02:41. | |
could work after Brexit. The paper, | :02:42. | :02:43. | |
which has been published by the Guardian newspaper, | :02:44. | :02:44. | |
considers how the Government could dramatically reduce the number | :02:45. | :02:46. | |
of low-skilled EU migrants. It also proposes time limits | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
on how long EU nationals The BBC understands the document, | :02:50. | :02:51. | |
which was produced last month, Winds from Hurricane Irma have begun | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
lashing islands in the Caribbean - where people have been told | :02:56. | :03:04. | |
to evacuate their homes. Officials are warning | :03:05. | :03:07. | |
of the "potentially catastrophic" effects of the Category Five | :03:08. | :03:08. | |
hurricane which has already It's starting to hit | :03:09. | :03:11. | |
the Leeward Islands and will move on towards Puerto Rico | :03:12. | :03:18. | |
and the Dominican Republic. It's projected to reach the US state | :03:19. | :03:20. | |
of Florida on Saturday. A 14-year-old boy has | :03:21. | :03:27. | |
died after a double Corey Junior Davis and another boy, | :03:28. | :03:29. | |
who is 17,were found with gunshot Corey Junior Davis and another boy, | :03:30. | :03:36. | |
who is 17, were found with gunshot injuries in Forest Gate | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
on Monday afternoon. The second victim is said to have | :03:40. | :03:41. | |
"life-changing injuries". Police have launched | :03:42. | :03:43. | |
a murder investigation. Russian President Vladimir Putin has | :03:44. | :03:44. | |
said that North Korea's nuclear and missile programme | :03:45. | :03:51. | |
are a "flagrant violation" Speaking after talks | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
with his South Korean counterpart in the Russia city of Vladivostok, | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
Mr Putin also called for talks to try to resolve the crisis, | :03:59. | :04:01. | |
warning that no resolution would be possible with just sanctions | :04:02. | :04:04. | |
and pressure alone. The de facto leader of Myanmar, | :04:05. | :04:10. | |
Aung San Suu Kyi, has claimed that the crisis in Rakhine state | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
is being distorted by Myanmar is currently under intense | :04:15. | :04:16. | |
diplomatic pressure to end the violence its security forces | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
are reportedly inflicting Nearly 150,000 people have fled | :04:22. | :04:23. | |
into neighbouring Bangladesh. That's a summary of the latest BBC | :04:24. | :04:33. | |
News - more at 10.30am. Thank you. Message are coming in. My | :04:34. | :04:39. | |
tablet is not updating. Wales are still on track to qualify | :04:40. | :04:50. | |
for next year's World Cup It was another great night | :04:51. | :04:55. | |
for 17-year-old Ben Woodburn, who set up Kal Robson-Kanu 10 | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
minutes from time. Woodburn scored the winner | :05:01. | :05:02. | |
against Austria at the weekend, And in injury time, Aaron Ramsey | :05:03. | :05:04. | |
sealed the win that leaves them We have to make sure we got these | :05:05. | :05:19. | |
wins no matter. We always talk about performance. It has come down to the | :05:20. | :05:22. | |
crunch time and it's all about results now. Yeah, obviously two | :05:23. | :05:27. | |
wins out of two. We haven't done that in a long time. It is great | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
that we have the winning mentality back and hopefully it is a snowball | :05:32. | :05:33. | |
effect for next time. It means Wales leapfrog the Republic | :05:34. | :05:36. | |
of Ireland after they were beaten Former Manchester City player | :05:37. | :05:38. | |
Aleksander Kolarov scored The England women's | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
coach Mark Sampson has responded to allegations | :05:43. | :05:49. | |
from former striker Eni Aluko that he had created | :05:50. | :05:51. | |
an atmosphere of "bullying and discrimination" and used | :05:52. | :05:53. | |
racially insensitive language. Sampson was cleared by both an FA | :05:54. | :05:56. | |
and an independent investigation He denies Aluko's claim that he'd | :05:57. | :05:59. | |
joked he didn't want her Nigerian family to bring Ebola | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
to an England game. I've heard the specifics | :06:05. | :06:14. | |
of the allegation and at the time we released a statement | :06:15. | :06:22. | |
and to be very clear I'm very disappointed | :06:23. | :06:24. | |
the allegation's come out but I understand it and all I can | :06:25. | :06:27. | |
say is I didn't say that to Eni. With any of my communication, my | :06:28. | :06:31. | |
intention is to support the players, give them confidence and give them | :06:32. | :06:34. | |
chance to be successful At the age of 37, Venus Williams | :06:35. | :06:37. | |
is two wins away from another grand She beat Petra Kvitova | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
in a real thriller to reach It took over two and a half hours | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
and the deciding set Kvitova only returned to the tour | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
three months ago after the knife attack that damaged her playing hand | :06:53. | :06:56. | |
and Williams said it felt This match means a lot to me. I have | :06:57. | :07:11. | |
been playing at home and of course, it being a major and it means a lot | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
to her coming back and being able to compete in this major and to prove, | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
you know, obhave you beensly to herself that she could defeat | :07:21. | :07:23. | |
anything no matter what is thrown at her. It was amazing to see her shine | :07:24. | :07:26. | |
today. Chris Froome heads into | :07:27. | :07:28. | |
another day in the hills on the Tour of Spain | :07:29. | :07:31. | |
today and he's nearly two Froome won his fourth Tour de France | :07:32. | :07:33. | |
in July, but he's never He dominated yesterday's time trial | :07:34. | :07:39. | |
to almost double his lead And before I go, there's time to let | :07:40. | :07:44. | |
you know that the BBC Get Inspired Unsung Hero Award | :07:45. | :07:51. | |
is open for nominations. It's designed to recognise those | :07:52. | :07:53. | |
who devote their free time to help people in grass-roots | :07:54. | :07:56. | |
activity and sports and it's You can find everything you need | :07:57. | :07:58. | |
to know at: bbc.co.uk/unsunghero That's all the sport for now. I will | :07:59. | :08:10. | |
be back with more later on. Thanks, Hugh. | :08:11. | :08:20. | |
The Government is looking at ways to dramatically reduce the number | :08:21. | :08:22. | |
of low-skilled EU migrants after Brexit according to a leaked | :08:23. | :08:25. | |
The document, which is NOT official government policy, | :08:26. | :08:28. | |
suggests capping visas for unskilled labourers at two years. | :08:29. | :08:30. | |
Let's speak to our political guru, Norman Smith, | :08:31. | :08:32. | |
What's in the leaked document? Big thought number one is the Government | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
wants a concerted clamp-down on the number of unskilled EU migrants | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
coming into the UK and big thought number two is they want to | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
pressurise companies to have a British workers first policy. Now, | :08:46. | :08:49. | |
in detail, what that means is they are going to suggest that if | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
unskilled EU workers want to come to Britain, they will only be able to | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
stay for two years. They'll have to be earning a certain salary and they | :08:58. | :09:00. | |
can't just come here and look for work, they will have to have a job | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
already lined up and the Government is looking at the possibility of | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
just putting a cap, a limit on the number of unskilled EU migrants who | :09:09. | :09:12. | |
can come here. So there will be X number and once you reach that | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
number, back, the door is closed. In terms of business, business will be | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
under huge pressure to recruit British workers. They may have to | :09:22. | :09:26. | |
under go a sort of test to make sure that they have gone out and tried to | :09:27. | :09:31. | |
recruit British workers and if they then skill want to recruit unskilled | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
EU migrants they could be taxed with the money going to a sort of | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
training levy to help improve the skills of British workers. This is a | :09:40. | :09:42. | |
draft document. It's not signed, sealed and delivered. It's not all | :09:43. | :09:48. | |
been agreed, but when you listen to ministers, listen to the Defence | :09:49. | :09:51. | |
Secretary, Sir Michael Fallon this morning, they are hardly distancing | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
themselves from the contents of this document. | :09:56. | :09:58. | |
We want more British companies to invest in the British workforce. | :09:59. | :10:12. | |
To make sure we have a better skilled workforce for them to dau | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
on. The public want immigration to come | :10:18. | :10:18. | |
down to sustainable levels. We made that clear in every | :10:19. | :10:30. | |
manifesto. So there is a balance to be struck here. | :10:31. | :10:31. | |
The Home Secretary will set out proposals later this year. | :10:32. | :10:37. | |
When will this kick in? There will be a two year transition phase after | :10:38. | :10:43. | |
we leave the EU, after March 2019 when not much will change. If you | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
are an EU national and want to come to Britain during the transition | :10:48. | :10:51. | |
phase for more than six months, you'll have to get the approval of | :10:52. | :10:54. | |
the Home Office and you'll have to have a sort of ID card, a biometric | :10:55. | :11:00. | |
passport to show you're OK to be in this country. Norman, thank you for | :11:01. | :11:03. | |
clarifying that for us. Let's get some more | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
analysis on this story now. Joining me in the studio | :11:08. | :11:09. | |
is the Conservative MP for Dover, Marley Morris from | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
the IPPR think tank, Alp Mehmet is Vice-Chair | :11:14. | :11:16. | |
of the Migration Watch think-tank. We are also joined down | :11:17. | :11:22. | |
the line form Westminster by the co-leader of the Green Party, | :11:23. | :11:24. | |
Caroline Lucas. Thank you all for speaking to us | :11:25. | :11:31. | |
this morning. You broadly welcome this leaked document? I do, yes. I | :11:32. | :11:37. | |
hope that it remains substantially as it is that it doesn't go through | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
any sort of change so it is watered down. If you want to bring numbers | :11:42. | :11:48. | |
down frankly from the EU in the way that I think people voted for then | :11:49. | :11:54. | |
this strikes me as a sensible balanced and reasonable way of going | :11:55. | :12:00. | |
about it. Focussing on the higher skilled and indeed, making sure that | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
we don't bring people in simply because they're cheaper or they are | :12:06. | :12:08. | |
there and prepared to take up the jobs. So yeah, it is the right way | :12:09. | :12:15. | |
and will potentially lead up to 100,000 fewer people coming in over | :12:16. | :12:18. | |
the numbers that we've had in recent years. I can see Marly wincing. | :12:19. | :12:25. | |
There is no detail yet about what this future system for immigration | :12:26. | :12:27. | |
will be and that document doesn't explain that. What it really sets | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
out is what the transition measures will be and the concern there is | :12:32. | :12:34. | |
there is a contradiction between what the transition will be agreed | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
between the EU and the UK for the years after Brexit and what this | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
document says about EU migrants because what we are saying in the | :12:43. | :12:45. | |
transition there won't be freedom of moment and that may go down very | :12:46. | :12:50. | |
badly with EU leaders, you know, across the 27. | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
Well, freedom of movement is going to end. That goes without saying | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
because that's what will happen when we come out of the EU. And once | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
freedom of movement ends then you have got to have some sort of system | :13:05. | :13:10. | |
to control people coming in and this is a perfectly reasonable system. If | :13:11. | :13:13. | |
only because we have been doing it for many, many years for those | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
coming from outside the EU anyway. So it's nothing new. Perfectly | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
reasonable system, Caroline Lucas? Absolutely not. This suggested paper | :13:22. | :13:27. | |
is economically illiterate. It will harm our economy. I think it's | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
cruel. It's going to separate families and I think it's also | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
backward looking. I think it will deny future generations the right | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
that all of us had to study and to work and to live and live in 27 | :13:41. | :13:47. | |
other member states. Do you want to come in, Charlie on this? It seems | :13:48. | :13:50. | |
to me the referendum was a clear instruction by the British people to | :13:51. | :13:56. | |
take back control of our borders and to end uncontrolled EU immigration | :13:57. | :13:59. | |
and that's what this Government is doing. Everyone accepts that we want | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
to have the brightest and the best from across the world. That's not | :14:04. | :14:07. | |
the issue. The public concern centres on low skilled migrants, | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
British businesses, not investing in their employees, but seeking to | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
bring in low skilled migrants as a way to avoid that kind of | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
investment. Some people say the EU referendum was about whether you | :14:21. | :14:23. | |
wanted to stay in the Union, not about immigration. There was no | :14:24. | :14:26. | |
question on that ballot paper that was about immigration. Your | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
constituentsy in Dover is a constituency that's been affected a | :14:31. | :14:34. | |
lot by migration and benefited a lot as well? It is important to realise | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
that the change that we have in recent years in 1997 when Labour | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
were first elected net migration was 48,000. In 2015, it reached 333,000. | :14:44. | :14:49. | |
People are deeply concerned. They want a rebalancing. They want | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
control of our borders and that is very clearly what the Home Office | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
are rightly looking at doing. People didn't vote in the referendum to | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
have nursing shortages. People didn't vote to have crops rotting in | :15:03. | :15:06. | |
the fields because that's what will happen if we don't have people | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
coming in from the EU to help the crop pickers. You know, so | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
essentially I think what we're seeing here is an ideological | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
approach, this idea that the referendum and Brexit has to be | :15:19. | :15:21. | |
migration first even if that means damaging our economy. Even if that | :15:22. | :15:25. | |
means our own businesses are saying they are going to suffer. The Office | :15:26. | :15:29. | |
for Budget Responsibility are saying this could lead to a ?6 billion hole | :15:30. | :15:34. | |
in the economy. Not only is it economically foolish, but it will | :15:35. | :15:37. | |
harm our businesses and harm our societies, families not being able | :15:38. | :15:40. | |
to come together. If you happen to have a child over 18, they are not | :15:41. | :15:44. | |
allowed to join us anymore. That's not the kind of country that most | :15:45. | :15:45. | |
people want to live in. This system is intended for the time | :15:46. | :15:57. | |
after we leave. In terms of the sort of arrangements we have two bring | :15:58. | :16:00. | |
people in perhaps the do seasonal agricultural work or other jobs, | :16:01. | :16:06. | |
what will stop will be that automatic right to come in by | :16:07. | :16:08. | |
exercising treaty rights and effectively staying here for as long | :16:09. | :16:13. | |
as you like. That will stop. There's nothing wrong with that. Won't this | :16:14. | :16:18. | |
cause a problem for businesses? Norman Smith mentioned earlier that | :16:19. | :16:23. | |
if you are in Boston in Lincolnshire or parts of Kent, where fruit | :16:24. | :16:26. | |
picking is a huge industry, and they can't get enough local workers to | :16:27. | :16:33. | |
fill positions, will businesses have to recruit locally and when they | :16:34. | :16:40. | |
can't recruit -- and when they can't, they have to recruit from the | :16:41. | :16:47. | |
EU? Know, frankly. That is not the way it's going to happen. We had a | :16:48. | :16:53. | |
seasonal agricultural workers scheme for many years and I don't see any | :16:54. | :16:56. | |
reason why we shouldn't have something like that again. Nurses | :16:57. | :16:59. | |
and all the other sort of people that we need at the moment, there is | :17:00. | :17:04. | |
no reason why they shouldn't continue to come in. And frankly, we | :17:05. | :17:10. | |
should now start thinking for three, four years hence and start preparing | :17:11. | :17:17. | |
now. You can't wait for three years until the whole transitional phase | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
ends and then think about how we will replace workers. The document | :17:22. | :17:24. | |
fails to recognise that there are some sectors of the economy that are | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
really relying on EU workers. Something like 11% in some sectors. | :17:30. | :17:35. | |
Food processing, for instance, hospitality, the proportions are | :17:36. | :17:39. | |
much higher. In food processing, we're talking about a third of | :17:40. | :17:42. | |
workers being EU migrants. That is not just a question of transition | :17:43. | :17:47. | |
but of having to manage how you have a proper workforce for that sector | :17:48. | :17:51. | |
and the long-term. No one is saying that we shouldn't have a system that | :17:52. | :17:56. | |
enables migrants to come to Britain to work where they are highly | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
skilled, where it is seasonal or they are required. Why is it wrong | :18:01. | :18:06. | |
to insist that the children of our land have a chance? It is important | :18:07. | :18:11. | |
to enable people from Britain to get on, do well, and we get business to | :18:12. | :18:17. | |
invest in skills and not simply seek to avoid having to invest by | :18:18. | :18:21. | |
bringing in low skilled people, as they have done for too long. Thank | :18:22. | :18:26. | |
you, all of you, for joining us, and Caroline Lucas as well. I'm sure the | :18:27. | :18:29. | |
discussion will continue over the next months and years. | :18:30. | :18:36. | |
Still to come: The final whistle for John Watson as he prepares to call | :18:37. | :18:40. | |
time on his 50 years at the BBC. It's a disease that affects 1 in 10 | :18:41. | :18:42. | |
women of reproductive age. Yet on average it takes | :18:43. | :18:45. | |
seven and a half years The condition costs the UK roughly | :18:46. | :18:47. | |
?8.2 billion a year. Endometriosis is an incurable | :18:48. | :18:56. | |
condition, where tissue that behaves like the lining of the womb is found | :18:57. | :18:59. | |
in other parts of the body, Today, new guidelines have been | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
published for the NHS, which aim to reduce delays | :19:04. | :19:11. | |
in diagnosis and save women years But a leading charity says | :19:12. | :19:14. | |
the guidelines will only make a difference if they're backed up | :19:15. | :19:20. | |
with extra financial support. Let's speak to Amelia Davies - | :19:21. | :19:23. | |
she's 18 and started getting symptoms of endometriosis | :19:24. | :19:27. | |
at the age of just 12. Helen McLaughlin is here too - | :19:28. | :19:29. | |
she's 32 and was diagnosed And Lakshmi Livingstone - | :19:30. | :19:42. | |
who waited seven years for any treatment when her | :19:43. | :19:45. | |
symptoms became severe. Emma Cox runs the charity | :19:46. | :19:47. | |
Endometriosis UK - she's calling for the NHS to make | :19:48. | :19:49. | |
sure the new guidelines And Andrew Home is a professor | :19:50. | :19:52. | |
of gynaecology and is on the group of experts that helped draw up | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
the new guidelines from the National Institute of Health | :19:57. | :19:58. | |
and Care Excellence. Thank you, all, for coming in to | :19:59. | :20:08. | |
talk to us. I think many people at home will have heard of | :20:09. | :20:14. | |
endometriosis but they won't know how severe it can be for many | :20:15. | :20:24. | |
people. Amelia, tell me, first of all, you were just... Sorry! You | :20:25. | :20:28. | |
were 12 when you got symptoms first and you were diagnosed at 14. My | :20:29. | :20:34. | |
first period was at 12 and I was experiencing pelvic pain before that | :20:35. | :20:39. | |
age. It wasn't until I was 14 and got pain some excruciating that I | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
couldn't attend school any more that we pushed for the initial scans | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
which showed up an ovarian cyst, which led to my operation, which | :20:49. | :20:57. | |
allowed the diagnosis of endometrial asses. Unlike some people, I was | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
diagnosed quite quickly, but I was very lucky to have the cyst, because | :21:02. | :21:08. | |
it led to the diagnosis. It sped up the process? Yes, I consider myself | :21:09. | :21:11. | |
lucky, but unfortunately other people as fortunate. I was diagnosed | :21:12. | :21:20. | |
in 2011. My symptoms started when I was 16, because I had a period every | :21:21. | :21:23. | |
other week, but I was put on the pill. It was 2011 that I was | :21:24. | :21:37. | |
misdiagnosed, and it was only because I wrote letters and kept | :21:38. | :21:44. | |
diaries that I was able to get a diagnostic laparoscopy. What does it | :21:45. | :21:53. | |
do to you? The physical aspect is one thing, but the mental aspect is | :21:54. | :21:56. | |
exhausting. You are fighting every day to get through your painkillers. | :21:57. | :22:02. | |
I was on 25 painkillers a day just to try and manage the symptoms. So | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
you have that as well as going to consultants and making them believe | :22:08. | :22:12. | |
you. It comes down to having to think about what you well, because | :22:13. | :22:16. | |
you get bloating. Leggings, I couldn't wear jeans. I had to have | :22:17. | :22:22. | |
physio to work on my muscles. It comes down to every aspect of your | :22:23. | :22:27. | |
daily life. And I know that you, Amelia, alluded to the dreadful time | :22:28. | :22:34. | |
you have had. Lakshmi, explain some of your story, if you would. I | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
recently discovered I probably had symptoms from about the age of eight | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
or nine, which was mostly sleep problems. Hormonal changes can cause | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
problems with sleep, but my periods were incredibly painful. I started | :22:50. | :22:54. | |
when I was 11. I didn't know that that wasn't normal, so I lived most | :22:55. | :22:58. | |
of my life just thinking that those sort of pain levels were normal and | :22:59. | :23:01. | |
acceptable. It was only when I started getting extreme bowel pain | :23:02. | :23:11. | |
around 2009 that I finally thought, hang on, this is weird. It still | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
took another six months for me to go to the doctor with it. My GP was | :23:16. | :23:19. | |
fabulous. As soon as I mentioned my symptoms, he said, I am referring | :23:20. | :23:23. | |
you to an endometriosis specialist. From there, I didn't have a | :23:24. | :23:30. | |
diagnostic laparoscopy until to make years ago, at which point I was | :23:31. | :23:34. | |
given the full diagnosis of how widespread my disease is. I was | :23:35. | :23:38. | |
reading, you were told when you went to an endometrial is his clinic that | :23:39. | :23:42. | |
you should stop eating meat and you were sent away. It was wheat. I was | :23:43. | :23:51. | |
told to change my diet. I was given an MRI at that time. It wasn't until | :23:52. | :23:57. | |
2014 that I realised that you cannot diagnose endometriosis with doing a | :23:58. | :24:04. | |
laparoscopy, keyhole surgery. Going through your tummy, isn't it? | :24:05. | :24:08. | |
Exactly, so that finally happened in 2015, and that is when I discovered | :24:09. | :24:14. | |
it is not just in my uterus but has spread outside into my general | :24:15. | :24:18. | |
pelvic area. Emma, I want to bring you in. How common are the stories | :24:19. | :24:22. | |
we are heaving? Sadly, very common. There are some great examples -- we | :24:23. | :24:30. | |
are hearing. There are some great examples of GPs getting a diagnosis | :24:31. | :24:38. | |
early. It is caused by cells being in the wrong place, and in different | :24:39. | :24:41. | |
women, there will be different symptoms. Sadly, the isn't enough | :24:42. | :24:45. | |
awareness. It is about periods, and often people talk about it. A lot of | :24:46. | :24:48. | |
women get told when they are young just to get on with it and that it | :24:49. | :24:53. | |
is part of being a woman. Is a cultural, that no one wants to talk | :24:54. | :24:59. | |
about it? There is some evidence that it is genetic, so you get a | :25:00. | :25:04. | |
double whammy. You are told it hurts, love, just get on with it. | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
Your mother might say, we have bad periods in our family. That is what | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
is like. It is a hidden disease, there is no measure of it, and you | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
can't show anybody what your pain is. So, it is really hard for | :25:18. | :25:23. | |
people, and for whatever reason as a society we have not taken it | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
seriously enough. We have this e-mail from money. If you have a | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
similar story, do get in touch. I have stage for endometriosis and it | :25:33. | :25:36. | |
has had a huge impact in my life. I was rushed to hospital and had | :25:37. | :25:39. | |
emergency surgery. The doctors thought I had appendicitis. I was in | :25:40. | :25:45. | |
intensive care for ten days. Due to the damage caused, I have cysts, | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
fibroids, damaged fallopian tubes and I am definitely unable to have | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
children. I am frustrated, sad and angry that if this disease affected | :25:56. | :25:59. | |
men, there would be more awareness, research and money put behind the | :26:00. | :26:02. | |
treatment. Would you agree with that, Andrew? Sadly, this is the | :26:03. | :26:10. | |
problem. I think endometriosis is suffered because it only affects | :26:11. | :26:15. | |
women. There has been a bit of a gender bias in terms of investment, | :26:16. | :26:20. | |
research funding. I think these guidelines, and hopefully the | :26:21. | :26:25. | |
awareness raised by them, will encourage increased Government | :26:26. | :26:27. | |
funding, not only into research but into developing the infrastructure | :26:28. | :26:32. | |
we have already to try to better manage women with endometriosis. A | :26:33. | :26:39. | |
seven year diagnosis sounds insane, I'm sure, to many people watching. | :26:40. | :26:45. | |
Do you think the medical profession takes this disease seriously enough? | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
It would be unfair to say they didn't, but I think we could do | :26:50. | :26:55. | |
better. I think we could do better educating from medical school | :26:56. | :26:58. | |
onward, so that people are very much aware of it. As everyone here has | :26:59. | :27:01. | |
highlighted, the big problem is that we don't have a simple test to | :27:02. | :27:06. | |
diagnose it. There is not a blood test or you're in test. It has to be | :27:07. | :27:22. | |
diagnosed by keyhole surgery. Do you think it is taken seriously as a | :27:23. | :27:30. | |
condition? Personally, I believe that you can't point your finger and | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
say, it is your fault it takes so long to diagnose it. It is a case of | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
being educated. GPs and specialist, it is not essentially their fault | :27:41. | :27:43. | |
that there's not enough research into it, so they don't know enough | :27:44. | :27:51. | |
about it. Because of my age, and I started going to specialist | :27:52. | :27:55. | |
appointments from the age of 14, and although I probably know more about | :27:56. | :27:58. | |
this condition and my own body than anybody else, yet, I believe that | :27:59. | :28:06. | |
sometimes it is as if people just speak to my parents about it. It | :28:07. | :28:11. | |
needs to be taken a bit more seriously, because as a young woman, | :28:12. | :28:16. | |
and like everyone else who has this condition, you want to take charge | :28:17. | :28:19. | |
of your own body, to be able to actively step forward and say, look, | :28:20. | :28:23. | |
something is wrong with me. You need to change this. I can't live my | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
day-to-day life like this. Sometimes something simple like getting up and | :28:29. | :28:34. | |
having a shower, you can't even get up and do it. It's ridiculous. | :28:35. | :28:40. | |
Support groups have great information on their website. If | :28:41. | :28:43. | |
anyone is trying to get information to make yourself more knowledgeable | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
to go to your GP, you can then have discussions with them. I run the | :28:49. | :28:57. | |
London group. It is a great way to empower yourself through knowledge. | :28:58. | :29:00. | |
Do you think these guidelines will change anything? I hope so. From | :29:01. | :29:09. | |
what I understand, Emma 's probably best answer... From a patient | :29:10. | :29:13. | |
perspective, do you have more faith it will be taken? If you have | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
someone who is not listening, you can take them with you, do your bit | :29:19. | :29:22. | |
of caring and sharing, share your knowledge with this person. They | :29:23. | :29:25. | |
might read it at night time and they might share it with someone the next | :29:26. | :29:29. | |
day. It is all about education. I think there was an opportunity to | :29:30. | :29:34. | |
make a difference. We could make it easy for GPs by giving them simple | :29:35. | :29:43. | |
toolkits. The Royal College could be developing specialist training, | :29:44. | :29:47. | |
which it is. We don't teach menstrual health in schools, so | :29:48. | :29:49. | |
people don't know what to look out for. I would like to say that the | :29:50. | :29:56. | |
guidelines at the moment are only for England. There was huge | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
variation in service across England and across the UK, so we also need | :30:01. | :30:04. | |
to see the other nations in the UK taking up these guidelines as well. | :30:05. | :30:09. | |
In Northern Ireland, I know people who have been waiting over two years | :30:10. | :30:15. | |
to get a laparoscopy done. That's not because of any reason other than | :30:16. | :30:19. | |
that there are not enough slots allowed because the NHS hasn't yet | :30:20. | :30:22. | |
taken this seriously and allowed enough time to deal with the women | :30:23. | :30:27. | |
who need to be seen. Thank you, all, for coming in. I am grateful to you | :30:28. | :30:28. | |
for coming in. A warning from school | :30:29. | :30:31. | |
leaders that poor language and behaviour mean an increasing | :30:32. | :30:38. | |
number of children are not ready to take part in classroom activities | :30:39. | :30:40. | |
when they start school. As Hurricane Irma, one | :30:41. | :30:43. | |
of the strongest storms ever recorded in the Atlantic, | :30:44. | :30:45. | |
heads for the Caribbean we'll have an update | :30:46. | :30:47. | |
on preparations from Antigua. With the news, here's Annita | :30:48. | :30:51. | |
in the BBC Newsroom. A leaked Home Office document has | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
set out plans for how the UK immigration system | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
could work after Brexit. The paper, which has been published | :31:00. | :31:01. | |
by the Guardian newspaper, considers how the Government | :31:02. | :31:05. | |
could dramatically reduce the number It also proposes time limits | :31:06. | :31:07. | |
on how long EU nationals The BBC understands the document, | :31:08. | :31:12. | |
which was produced last month, Winds from Hurricane Irma have begun | :31:13. | :31:16. | |
lashing islands in the Caribbean - where people have been told | :31:17. | :31:25. | |
to evacuate their homes. Officials are warning | :31:26. | :31:27. | |
of the "potentially catastrophic" effects of the Category Five | :31:28. | :31:31. | |
hurricane which has already It's starting to hit | :31:32. | :31:34. | |
the Leeward Islands and will move on towards Puerto Rico | :31:35. | :31:39. | |
and the Dominican Republic. It's projected to reach the US state | :31:40. | :31:41. | |
of Florida on Saturday. A boy has died after a shooting in | :31:42. | :31:57. | |
East London. Corey Junior Davis and another boy, | :31:58. | :32:04. | |
who is 17, were found with gunshot injuries in Forest Gate | :32:05. | :32:07. | |
on Monday afternoon. The second victim is said to have | :32:08. | :32:09. | |
"life-changing injuries". Police have launched | :32:10. | :32:11. | |
a murder investigation. The de facto leader of Myanmar, | :32:12. | :32:13. | |
Aung San Suu Kyi, has claimed that the crisis in Rakhine state | :32:14. | :32:17. | |
is being distorted by Myanmar is currently under intense | :32:18. | :32:19. | |
diplomatic pressure to end the violence its security forces | :32:20. | :32:22. | |
are reportedly inflicting Nearly 150,000 people have fled | :32:23. | :32:24. | |
into neighbouring Bangladesh. That's a summary of the latest news, | :32:25. | :32:32. | |
join me for BBC Newsroom 17-year-old Ben Woodburn came off | :32:33. | :32:34. | |
the bench and put in a Man of the Match performance to help | :32:35. | :32:48. | |
Wales to a 2-0 win over Moldova. He set-up the opening goal | :32:49. | :32:51. | |
for Hal Robson Kanu. Aaron Ramsey got the second | :32:52. | :32:53. | |
in the closing moments. That win, coupled with defeat | :32:54. | :33:00. | |
for the Republic of Ireland at home to Serbia, means Wales go | :33:01. | :33:03. | |
into the play-off spot in Group D The sides meet in | :33:04. | :33:06. | |
the final group game. At the age of 37, Venus Williams is | :33:07. | :33:11. | |
into another Grand Slam semi-final. She beat Petra Kvitova | :33:12. | :33:14. | |
in a thrilling final set tiebreak to reach the last four at the | :33:15. | :33:18. | |
US Open. She will face fellow | :33:19. | :33:26. | |
American Sloane Stephens next. Chris Froome virtually | :33:27. | :33:28. | |
doubled his lead at the Vuelta He won the 16th stage time trial | :33:29. | :33:30. | |
to extend his lead over Vincenzo Neebali to one minute | :33:31. | :33:34. | |
and 58 seconds with That's all the sport for now. I will | :33:35. | :33:42. | |
be back with more on BBC News after 11am. | :33:43. | :33:46. | |
A 14-year-old boy who was gunned down in an east London | :33:47. | :33:49. | |
What happened? The details on this incident are scant, but the police | :33:50. | :34:00. | |
launched a murder investigation. He died in hospital around 10pm last | :34:01. | :34:04. | |
night. Apparently he, this was a double shooting. It happened on | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
Monday afternoon. He was injured as was a 17-year-old who has got what | :34:10. | :34:15. | |
police are describing as life changing injuries and he remains in | :34:16. | :34:19. | |
hospital in a stable condition. No arrests have been made yet, but | :34:20. | :34:23. | |
police are appealing for help. And what have the police said? What do | :34:24. | :34:27. | |
they know? I know there is a fear of retaliation? The borough commander | :34:28. | :34:33. | |
said there is a serious fear of retaliation and therefore, what they | :34:34. | :34:40. | |
have done is they have put a number of armed and plained clothed police | :34:41. | :34:44. | |
officers in the area and they have increased stop and search incidents | :34:45. | :34:46. | |
for weapons and anything else that's going on in the area and to reassure | :34:47. | :34:55. | |
residents as well. They are only too aware this incident comes after a | :34:56. | :34:59. | |
spate of violent firearm discharges that have been blighting their | :35:00. | :35:01. | |
communities and seriously injuring their young men. So far there has | :35:02. | :35:07. | |
been a number of gun incidents in and around the Newham area. There | :35:08. | :35:13. | |
was one even at the end of July that had been taking place in less than | :35:14. | :35:18. | |
24 hours where two men were injured. But the concern with this particular | :35:19. | :35:21. | |
incident is the violent nature under which it went and the age of the | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
victim because he was only 14. Thank you. | :35:26. | :35:29. | |
School leaders are warning that increasing numbers of children | :35:30. | :35:31. | |
are not ready to take part in classroom activities | :35:32. | :35:33. | |
Some are lacking basic communication skills. | :35:34. | :35:42. | |
A survey carried out by the association for school | :35:43. | :35:44. | |
leaders, NAHT, and the Family and Childcare Trust, | :35:45. | :35:49. | |
found 86% of headteachers were concerned that children | :35:50. | :35:51. | |
being ready for school is worse now than five years ago. | :35:52. | :35:56. | |
Joining us now, Andy Mellor, Headteacher of St Nicholas Church | :35:57. | :35:58. | |
of England Primary School, is concerned at the lack of services | :35:59. | :36:01. | |
available to support families and children in need of extra help | :36:02. | :36:03. | |
Lynn Knapp, Headteacher of Windmill Primary School thinks | :36:04. | :36:06. | |
children using phones and gadgets isn't helping with | :36:07. | :36:08. | |
Parent John Adams in concerned at the social skills | :36:09. | :36:16. | |
He is joined by his four-year-old daughter Izzy who will start | :36:17. | :36:23. | |
Hi Izzy. A lovely wave. Thank you very much. I want to ask first of | :36:24. | :36:33. | |
all,anedy, when we say children aren't ready for school. We're | :36:34. | :36:39. | |
talking about four-year-olds. Children who have just turned four. | :36:40. | :36:42. | |
So what is it that they are not ready for? When children enter | :36:43. | :36:45. | |
school we need to be making sure that we hit the ground running with | :36:46. | :36:48. | |
them. They have got seven years in primary school. And we need to make | :36:49. | :36:51. | |
the most of that time in primary school. Basic skills such as being | :36:52. | :36:58. | |
able to take your coat off, basic things like having a conversation | :36:59. | :37:04. | |
with another child. All the early literacy skills. I mean we do an | :37:05. | :37:08. | |
audit with our families just to make sure that we know what we are | :37:09. | :37:12. | |
getting in terms of the needs of these children. Basic literacy and | :37:13. | :37:17. | |
basic understanding of what a book is, how to follow through the plot | :37:18. | :37:22. | |
line if you like in a picture book. All those sorts of basic skills, | :37:23. | :37:26. | |
particularly speech and language skills. We are seeing, our members | :37:27. | :37:32. | |
are seeing, across the country, deceasing and us having to do more | :37:33. | :37:36. | |
work in reception to actually make good that and then, of course, the | :37:37. | :37:40. | |
work that we have got planned for foundation stage and beyond that | :37:41. | :37:43. | |
into the National Curriculum, there is that to do as well. So, it's | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
actually increasing the workload if you like for the staff in reception | :37:48. | :37:52. | |
when these children really should be accessing the curriculum that we've | :37:53. | :37:56. | |
got planned for them from day one. Lyn, are you finding similar things? | :37:57. | :37:59. | |
Children don't recognise a book and can't hold a conversation with | :38:00. | :38:02. | |
another child? Yes, we do see that with some children coming in. It is | :38:03. | :38:06. | |
a broad picture. We have children coming in very ready for school. | :38:07. | :38:09. | |
Other children coming in with very little language and I think it is | :38:10. | :38:13. | |
that deficit of language which can be a real inhibitor for them | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
starting to access education. You are saying this is down to, what | :38:18. | :38:24. | |
lazy parenting, shoving a tablet or phone in front of a four-year-old | :38:25. | :38:28. | |
and not having a conversation? Not necessarily lazy parenting. Parents | :38:29. | :38:35. | |
are under pressure with both parents working particularly in Oxford, on | :38:36. | :38:38. | |
the whole two parents are working. Yes, do I think children are given a | :38:39. | :38:43. | |
tablet, a phone and in the last five years, those things weren't | :38:44. | :38:47. | |
available. Children didn't have that easy access to smartphones, smart | :38:48. | :38:51. | |
technology and I think it has opened up a whole new way of if you like | :38:52. | :38:59. | |
keeping children occupied. It is a very isolating type activity then | :39:00. | :39:02. | |
they are not conversing with other children in the home and that | :39:03. | :39:08. | |
vocabulary and language just by being in conversation and talking to | :39:09. | :39:12. | |
each other isn't happening. John, I know you have got an older daughter. | :39:13. | :39:18. | |
Is she eight? Have you noticed that? That's the beginning of the iPad | :39:19. | :39:22. | |
generation. My eldest is eight and she started playing with an iPad | :39:23. | :39:26. | |
when she was two. Do you recognise what you are hearing from Lyn? Oh, | :39:27. | :39:29. | |
absolutely. It is very interesting that we are at the end of the school | :39:30. | :39:35. | |
summer. Izzy is saying hello. It is interesting that we are just at the | :39:36. | :39:38. | |
end of the school summer holidays now. I have noticed a marked | :39:39. | :39:43. | |
difference with my children. The battle for screen time used to be | :39:44. | :39:46. | |
keeping your children away from cartoons. Now, partly because of | :39:47. | :39:53. | |
the, the developments in technology, but also partly I think because, my | :39:54. | :39:58. | |
other daughter is getting older, what they are trying to do with | :39:59. | :40:02. | |
technology is different, it is not just car teens, it is apps, cartoons | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
and YouTube videos as well as TV. One of the common battles that we | :40:07. | :40:10. | |
have as parents is we do our best to tell our children not to watch TV, | :40:11. | :40:14. | |
you turn your back for a minute, they are playing with an iPad or | :40:15. | :40:18. | |
they have managed to get your phone or something. There is this constant | :40:19. | :40:22. | |
battle to keep your kids away from screens. I do notice if my children, | :40:23. | :40:30. | |
I really, really dislike children having excessive screen time so I | :40:31. | :40:34. | |
limit it as much as I can, but if it has been a rainy day and the kids | :40:35. | :40:40. | |
have a lot of screen time I notice a marked difference in their | :40:41. | :40:43. | |
behaviour. Worse behaviour? They are not burning off energy. They are not | :40:44. | :40:49. | |
really thinking so when the screens get switched off, I do notice they | :40:50. | :40:59. | |
are much more excitable. They are bouncing off the walls, basically, | :41:00. | :41:02. | |
we have experienced that on a rainy day. Do you think parents are being | :41:03. | :41:06. | |
lazy? We can all say no, you can't have a tablet in the car. We will | :41:07. | :41:10. | |
discuss as we are driving along or walking to the bus or whatever it | :41:11. | :41:15. | |
maybe. Is this laziness? That's not what our survey is telling us. Our | :41:16. | :41:22. | |
survey tells us that this coincides with a major change in the funding | :41:23. | :41:26. | |
of things like children's centres. We lost a lot of those services for | :41:27. | :41:31. | |
families in parts of the country, very similar to Blackpool, where you | :41:32. | :41:35. | |
know, they need that level of support and that got cut with the | :41:36. | :41:39. | |
first round of funding cuts to local authorities. Schools did their best | :41:40. | :41:45. | |
to make that good and similarly, we have a family support worker in | :41:46. | :41:48. | |
school. We didn't have a family support worker five years ago, but | :41:49. | :41:53. | |
that's to meet a need, the needs of our family and our families in | :41:54. | :41:57. | |
school. If we're now finding that, you know, the cuts to school budgets | :41:58. | :42:01. | |
are now affecting the ability of schools to be able to fund family | :42:02. | :42:06. | |
support workers. So we haven't just lost children's centres and all the | :42:07. | :42:09. | |
wrap around care that went on before they came to school and supported | :42:10. | :42:13. | |
families, we are now having that infrastructure that we have built in | :42:14. | :42:16. | |
schools taken away because of the funding cuts to schools and speech | :42:17. | :42:20. | |
and language is huge. You know, it comes through loud and clear in the | :42:21. | :42:24. | |
survey. We've had to cut ?20,000 worth of speech and language therapy | :42:25. | :42:28. | |
that we put in place to make good the cuts to the local authority. | :42:29. | :42:32. | |
Now, we can't afford to do that anymore. We haven't got the money in | :42:33. | :42:35. | |
the budget to do that. The only answer to address all of this is to | :42:36. | :42:39. | |
put that support back in in the early years and support early years | :42:40. | :42:43. | |
settings and schools with this. Andy, thank you. We have to ask Izzy | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
if she is excited about school. Izzy, are you looking forward to | :42:49. | :42:52. | |
starting school next week? Yes. What is it that you like best? Is it | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
reading? Is it numbers? What is it, darling? Numbers. Numbers. She has | :42:58. | :43:06. | |
just dived into a book while we have been on air though. Good girl. She | :43:07. | :43:12. | |
has been drilled well by her father. Izzy, thank you for sitting so | :43:13. | :43:13. | |
beautifully. Bye Izzy. Hurricane Irma has strengthened | :43:14. | :43:18. | |
to a Category Five storm - the highest possible level and has | :43:19. | :43:21. | |
in its path a string of Caribbean islands, Puerto Rico, | :43:22. | :43:24. | |
Haiti, Cuba and then Florida. The National Hurricane Centre | :43:25. | :43:32. | |
in Miami is recording sustained winds of nearly 300 | :43:33. | :43:41. | |
kilometres, more than 186mph. A state of emergency has been | :43:42. | :43:43. | |
declared in Florida, Puerto Rico and the US Virgin | :43:44. | :43:45. | |
Islands. I spoke with Gemma Handy, | :43:46. | :43:52. | |
a journalist and resident of Antigua and Angel | :43:53. | :43:56. | |
Adames-Corraliza, a tropical meteorologist with family | :43:57. | :43:57. | |
in Puerto Rico who told me about the impact hurricane Irma has | :43:58. | :44:00. | |
already been having. The winds are # 5 to 90mph. We can | :44:01. | :44:11. | |
expect them to pick up to 150mph and hopefully they should start to | :44:12. | :44:15. | |
lessen around 5am or 6am which is a couple of hours from now. We are | :44:16. | :44:19. | |
getting reports that several roofs have sadly been blown off including | :44:20. | :44:24. | |
an entire apartment building roof in one area of Antigua. Biggest cause | :44:25. | :44:28. | |
of concern right now is we seem to have lost contact with our sister | :44:29. | :44:34. | |
island. They are getting the full force of this right now. They are in | :44:35. | :44:38. | |
the eye. That should be coming to a close soon and then they are going | :44:39. | :44:43. | |
to get the 185mph winds happening again shortly. We will be grateful | :44:44. | :44:50. | |
when we get news back. What's been the advice to people who are in | :44:51. | :44:54. | |
Antigua? Are you sitting in your home, your office right now? No, | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
we're broadcasting live from the local radio station. We have stuck | :44:59. | :45:03. | |
two stations together. We have been broadcasting live for 12-and-a-half | :45:04. | :45:06. | |
hours and taking calls from the public trying to reassure people and | :45:07. | :45:12. | |
giving them constant weather updates from local metolgists and from our | :45:13. | :45:16. | |
expert in Florida as well. Are people told to go to shelters or | :45:17. | :45:20. | |
stay in their home, what's the advice been? If you are in a flood | :45:21. | :45:24. | |
prone area, get out. Like no two-ways about it. And obviously | :45:25. | :45:30. | |
those big storm surges are dramatic and I mean there has been strong | :45:31. | :45:33. | |
encouragement, but people generally know because people are used to | :45:34. | :45:38. | |
being in a hurricane area here, most people have gone to shelters. There | :45:39. | :45:45. | |
is 43 across the islands and 42 in Antigua and 200 people are in some | :45:46. | :45:49. | |
which for Antigua is unprecedented. I want to bring you in. You are a | :45:50. | :45:54. | |
tropical meteorologist. I know you are in Seattle, but you have got | :45:55. | :45:58. | |
family in Puerto Rico, who are concerned right now? | :45:59. | :46:02. | |
What have they told you about the preparations | :46:03. | :46:06. | |
When I talked to my family, friends and other | :46:07. | :46:09. | |
people today, people are | :46:10. | :46:10. | |
Hurricane Irma is pretty much unprecedented when it comes to | :46:11. | :46:17. | |
There has been a bit of a freak out this | :46:18. | :46:25. | |
morning, but that has been helpful in a sense because it has brought | :46:26. | :46:28. | |
people to realise that they really have to get ready for this | :46:29. | :46:31. | |
People have been putting storm shutters on their houses, | :46:32. | :46:34. | |
Pretty much all the wooden panels have been sold out | :46:35. | :46:38. | |
People have stocked up on supplies to the point that there | :46:39. | :46:42. | |
is a shortage of food in supermarkets. | :46:43. | :46:46. | |
People are heading to their homes, not going out on the | :46:47. | :46:48. | |
People in flood prone areas are advised to go to shelter. | :46:49. | :46:54. | |
I suspect that a lot of people will do | :46:55. | :46:56. | |
At this point, in the middle of the night, in Puerto Rico, I | :46:57. | :47:04. | |
suspect that people are waiting to see what is happening tomorrow | :47:05. | :47:07. | |
People following the news in the last week will be familiar with | :47:08. | :47:12. | |
Hurricane Harvey, but this is bigger, isn't it? | :47:13. | :47:19. | |
It is a different situation from Harvey. | :47:20. | :47:21. | |
Harvey was not a category five hurricane but a | :47:22. | :47:23. | |
The big impact from Harvey was the fact that it slowed | :47:24. | :47:30. | |
down and stayed stationary over Texas. | :47:31. | :47:33. | |
Hurricane Irma is a different situation, in which we have a bigger | :47:34. | :47:39. | |
size of storm with much stronger winds, and it is moving more | :47:40. | :47:50. | |
quickly, so when it comes to impact, the impacts from Hurricane Irma | :47:51. | :47:53. | |
But you will also possibly have a surge, and wind damage, | :47:54. | :47:56. | |
especially for the areas directly in the part of the hurricane. | :47:57. | :48:04. | |
People are using words like catastrophic - | :48:05. | :48:08. | |
explain a storm surge and the impact it could have. | :48:09. | :48:10. | |
It is a rise in the average sea level. | :48:11. | :48:25. | |
Usually, at the beach, the ocean is at a certain distance from the shore | :48:26. | :48:30. | |
and the houses and so on, but when you have a hurricane coming in, the | :48:31. | :48:34. | |
wind tends to cause the water to rise. The number of feet you see | :48:35. | :48:43. | |
forecasters is the number of feet above the average water level that | :48:44. | :48:51. | |
we will see. This doesn't count waves, which will occur on top of | :48:52. | :48:57. | |
that. Gemma, do you get a sense that people are worried about this like | :48:58. | :49:01. | |
no other hurricane, that this is unprecedented? Yes, pretty much. As | :49:02. | :49:06. | |
I say, people here are generally used to being in a hurricane area, | :49:07. | :49:09. | |
but there is definitely a sense that this is like nothing they have ever | :49:10. | :49:16. | |
experienced, and people have been comparing it to Hurricane Lewis. It | :49:17. | :49:21. | |
is certainly dramatic. People here tend to take things in their stride | :49:22. | :49:27. | |
quite well, so some people are calling in a little panicky, others | :49:28. | :49:32. | |
are more gung ho about it. Some people have even been sharing | :49:33. | :49:36. | |
light-hearted stories, so it is a mixture. You seem pretty relaxed. | :49:37. | :49:40. | |
Give us a sense of what is going outside, for people who haven't | :49:41. | :49:45. | |
experienced a hurricane. Can you hear building is moving? We're lucky | :49:46. | :49:51. | |
because we are in a bit of a bunker at the station. It is a very sturdy, | :49:52. | :49:56. | |
concrete building, and we are on a bit of a hill as well. Other people | :49:57. | :50:00. | |
have reported their building physically shaking, saying they feel | :50:01. | :50:04. | |
like the roof is coming off, very dramatic conditions. We feel a | :50:05. | :50:08. | |
little sheltered from it here, and we are trying hard to keep other | :50:09. | :50:12. | |
people come, so that is helping keep us come too. Angel, tell us what the | :50:13. | :50:17. | |
path will be for Hurricane Irma over the next few hours. As a | :50:18. | :50:22. | |
meteorologist, explain what that path will be. Right now, the | :50:23. | :50:27. | |
hurricane has made up turn to the west north-west, which is what we | :50:28. | :50:34. | |
were expecting. As it goes in the next couple of days, it will make a | :50:35. | :50:38. | |
close approach to several of the islands of the Lesser Antilles. It | :50:39. | :50:45. | |
will probably approach Puerto Rico at some point tomorrow. It should | :50:46. | :50:51. | |
continue steadily in pretty much a straight path, West Northwest, at | :50:52. | :50:56. | |
about 50 mph. And eventually to Florida? That is what the current | :50:57. | :51:01. | |
forecast is calling. It could be at some point on Sunday. There is some | :51:02. | :51:10. | |
uncertainty about that. There is a lack of consensus about different | :51:11. | :51:13. | |
models. But the model agree that it will probably impact at some point | :51:14. | :51:18. | |
over the weekend, yes. Personally, I you worried about your family in | :51:19. | :51:25. | |
Puerto Rico? I can't say that I'm not, write? When I woke up this | :51:26. | :51:27. | |
morning and I saw that Hurricane Irma had become a category five | :51:28. | :51:32. | |
hurricane with 170 mph sustained winds, it's really hard to keep it | :51:33. | :51:37. | |
together. I immediately called my family and saw how they were doing, | :51:38. | :51:41. | |
if they were getting prepared. The current track forecasts that it will | :51:42. | :51:47. | |
barely miss the island, so I am really crossing my fingers about | :51:48. | :51:52. | |
that, because if that happens, at least the strongest winds will | :51:53. | :51:55. | |
remain offshore. It does not mean it won't be a threat. There is the | :51:56. | :52:02. | |
threat of tropical to hurricane force winds. I am still concerned | :52:03. | :52:06. | |
about them. I told them I am going to call them tomorrow, and I've I | :52:07. | :52:09. | |
think the situation will get worse, I will tell them to seek shelter. | :52:10. | :52:14. | |
For now, they have put storm shutters on the house, they have | :52:15. | :52:17. | |
readied the whole yard and everything, just to make sure that | :52:18. | :52:21. | |
there isn't anything that could get in the way and damage our house. | :52:22. | :52:27. | |
That was Gemma and Angel, speaking to me earlier about Hurricane Irma. | :52:28. | :52:29. | |
Some of John Motson's greatest moments from his | :52:30. | :52:35. | |
He's calling his final match at the end of the season. | :52:36. | :52:39. | |
Before that though, he's been talking to our | :52:40. | :52:46. | |
Dan asked him what the key to being able to commentate was. | :52:47. | :52:50. | |
We will hear more from him in a moment, but first, some of his | :52:51. | :52:57. | |
career highlights. Radford for Newcastle. Bradford again. Oh, what | :52:58. | :53:06. | |
a goal! What they goal! Ronnie Radford. The crowd - the crowd are | :53:07. | :53:12. | |
invading the pitch. And there it is will stop the crazy gang had beaten | :53:13. | :53:21. | |
the culture club. Wimbledon have destroyed Liverpool's dreams of the | :53:22. | :53:27. | |
double. Her Royal Highness supports one of the great cup shocks of all | :53:28. | :53:38. | |
time. Platini through the middle... Goal! Platini, for Franz, with a | :53:39. | :53:50. | |
minute to go. It is 3-2. I have not seen events like this in years. | :53:51. | :53:56. | |
He cannot be shaken. In the end, the German bench get up to protest that | :53:57. | :54:04. | |
Gascoigne's last challenge. Oh, dear. Oh, dear me. He's going to be | :54:05. | :54:08. | |
out of the final if England get there. For the tackle on number 14, | :54:09. | :54:15. | |
Gascoigne has had his second yellow card of the competition, and here is | :54:16. | :54:19. | |
a moment that almost brings tears to his eyes. | :54:20. | :54:26. | |
Free kick given. His arms are apt. Is it over? It is. It's dramatic, | :54:27. | :54:31. | |
it's delightful. It's Denmark who are the European champions. He has | :54:32. | :54:42. | |
been speaking to our sports editor, Dan, who asked them what is the | :54:43. | :54:43. | |
secret to his commentary. It is like saying to your postman, | :54:44. | :54:46. | |
how do you prepare the letters? People don't need to | :54:47. | :54:49. | |
know that, do they? And people didn't need to know that | :54:50. | :54:51. | |
I was spending two days in this office banging myself over the head | :54:52. | :54:55. | |
with who the substitute was going They were only concerned | :54:56. | :54:58. | |
with the end product, and I had to make that as good | :54:59. | :55:02. | |
as I could. PRESENTER: If ever you thought | :55:03. | :55:05. | |
that we sporting commentators always sit nicely warm in our commentary | :55:06. | :55:09. | |
box, that is John Motson, reporting for us tonight on the Southend- | :55:10. | :55:12. | |
Liverpool match, looking rather We are sending out a St | :55:13. | :55:14. | |
Bernard to rescue him. The big breakthrough game | :55:15. | :55:19. | |
for you was that big '72 cup match. Newcastle winning 1-0 | :55:20. | :55:22. | |
with five minutes to go. COMMENTATOR: Now Tudor has | :55:23. | :55:36. | |
gone down for Newcastle. Whenever I meet Ronnie Radford, | :55:37. | :55:40. | |
I say, you changed my life, Ronnie. And he said, that goal | :55:41. | :55:52. | |
changed my career, which it did. And when they drag it out on cup | :55:53. | :55:55. | |
weekend, and I hear myself commentating on that goal, | :55:56. | :55:58. | |
and I remember when he hit it and it was flying | :55:59. | :56:01. | |
towards the top corner of the net, and when I see it again, | :56:02. | :56:05. | |
as I have hundreds of times, I still think to myself, | :56:06. | :56:08. | |
please, go in, don't hit the post. If that hadn't nestled | :56:09. | :56:13. | |
in the Newcastle net, I'm afraid that Mark West | :56:14. | :56:15. | |
and Martin O'Neill are a few days longer if they're | :56:16. | :56:25. | |
going to add another chapter to Wycombe's famous cup history, | :56:26. | :56:29. | |
because as you can see, this part of Buckinghamshire | :56:30. | :56:31. | |
is absolutely snowbound, and there is a gale hurtling | :56:32. | :56:33. | |
around me now. The sheepskin coat has sort | :56:34. | :56:35. | |
of entered folklore now. It is such a normal thing to do, | :56:36. | :56:37. | |
to have a warm overcoat. Did you think at the time it | :56:38. | :56:42. | |
could be your trademark? Because you couldn't buy | :56:43. | :56:45. | |
a sheepskin full-length coat. It was only a jacket | :56:46. | :56:49. | |
you could get in the shops. So I started having | :56:50. | :56:52. | |
these made-to-measure. People started saying, | :56:53. | :56:53. | |
you are the bloke in the sheepskin. Where were you when | :56:54. | :56:56. | |
you were in the snow? I didn't set out to make that | :56:57. | :56:58. | |
a trademark, honestly. We can't get down there to actually | :56:59. | :57:02. | |
find out what has happened, but I think Trevor Brooking | :57:03. | :57:06. | |
is next to me. I did my first-ever commentary | :57:07. | :57:08. | |
for BBC television from this very gantry, and in those days,, | :57:09. | :57:14. | |
nobody had heard of the internet, although I can vouch for the fact | :57:15. | :57:17. | |
that I did say once upon a time, What do you think made you a great | :57:18. | :57:21. | |
commentator, looking back now? I think you've got to be | :57:22. | :57:24. | |
passionate about it. I also feel you've got to remember | :57:25. | :57:31. | |
as well that it's only While people are listening | :57:32. | :57:34. | |
to football matches or commentating on them, there are people | :57:35. | :57:38. | |
going to the cinema, I think one or two people | :57:39. | :57:40. | |
tend to forget that. I was going to say it was like being | :57:41. | :57:50. | |
paid for your hobby. But there is a little bit | :57:51. | :57:53. | |
of hard work involved. You know, the preparation | :57:54. | :57:57. | |
and the homework, and watching players and going to see games | :57:58. | :58:00. | |
so that you can do the one you were going to do next a bit | :58:01. | :58:03. | |
better, it was a challenge, but it was a challenge | :58:04. | :58:06. | |
that I always enjoyed. John Watson is going to end his 50 | :58:07. | :58:14. | |
year career with the Help's being arranged, love. | :58:15. | :58:20. | |
Stay on the line with me. For a cardiac arrest we always | :58:21. | :58:38. | |
send two, in case CPR's needed, | :58:39. | :58:43. |