07/09/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Our top story today: Hurricane Irma, one of most powerful hurricanes in

recorded history, is continuing its part the devastation over the

Caribbean with several islands flattened. My whole caved in. There

were seven of us. All we could do was pray and call for help. The

firemen came to our rescue as soon as they could of course.

We'll talk to those affected throughout the programme.

Also this morning - we've taken the Belgian paralympian

with a crippling degenerative disease who wants to end her

life to meet an anti-euthanasia campaigner.

If you can't decide who wipes your bottom and then someone says, you

know you could die and it would be dignified, suddenly is that the

choice? You can't choose to have the dignity of deciding who looks after

you but you can decide to die? You know what pain is? When you are

totally alone and crying because of the pain.

Watch that full conversation in about 15 minutes.

And listen to this. # One-day...

And a new George Michael single has been released today 8

We'll play you some of it and get reviews from some of his fans.

Throughout the morning the latest breaking news

and developing stories and, as always, really

A little later in the programme we'll be talking about the school

which has introduced a gender neutral uniform.

It's been introduced over concern about skirt lengths

at the school and to accommodate some transgender pupils.

It means effectively that girls have got to wear trousers and they cannot

wear skirts. This comes after the announcement from do John Lewis that

they would sell gender neutral children's clothing. One mother says

that her daughter is a girl and she wants to wear a skirt and that is

her gender. Please get in touch. We want to hear what you think. The

details are on the screen. Hurricane Irma has left a trail of

destruction in the Caribbean virtually destroying two islands and

killing at least seven people. Officials say the French and Dutch

territory of Saint Martin has been reduced to rubble. People on the

island of Barbuda are to be moved away as the authorities say it is no

longer habitable. The storm has moved past Puerto Rico knocking out

power for more than 1 million people and is now heading to Florida. Andy

more reports. The island of Barbuda,

home to 1600 people, was one of the first

places to be hit by Irma, It is estimated 95%

of homes have been damaged. The communications

tower was destroyed, cutting the island off

from the outside world. The Prime Minister said the island

was barely habitable. What I saw was heart-wrenching,

absolutely devastating. In fact, I believe on a per capita

basis, the extent of the destruction in Barbuda

is unprecedented. We had containers, 40 foot

containers, flying left and right, The story you are getting from most

of the residents here is the eye Persons were literally tying

themselves to their roofs In the French territory

of Saint Martin, six Authorities said the island had

been reduced to rubble. This is Hurricane Irma

seen from space. It's now heading north

of Puerto Rico, and could hit It's one of three

hurricanes in the Atlantic. There are particular

fears for Hurricane Jose, following close behind Irma

and on a similar path. Officials say with most people

homeless, Barbuda cannot If Jose does head its way,

the island may have to be evacuated. The Red Cross said the damage in

Barbuda was like nothing they had ever seen before.

The first report coming out of Barbuda, after we lost communication

last night, the first report from the Prime Minister today when he

took his first trip, indicated 90% of property was damaged or

destroyed. We had the release of the first set of images this evening and

the devastation is nothing like we have ever seen before. We are

talking about the entire country or population of Barbuda being

significantly destroyed. We have mobilised our resources and we will

be going over to Barbuda tomorrow to get a better picture of what

immediate, medium and long-term needs are. From that we will start

the relief effort. We have already been meeting with the government. We

actually just came out of a meeting with Cabinet where we identified

what type of resources are available and how soon we can make relief

efforts available, from tarpaulins to shelters, which is a major

priority, as well as some health concerns. This is what the focus is

on in the next 24 hours. The last major hurricane we would have had

remotely close, not at the same level just remotely close, was in

1995. We did have significant devastation to Antigua and we did

rebuild, but what we are seeing in Barbuda, it is something we never

fathom that would happen. We never thought that we would have images

where you see the entire population of Barbuda pretty much desolated

before your eyes. This is something that is very difficult for people to

deal with, particularly the fact that we have one fatality, and such

a young individual. Really a lot is being dealt with in the Barbuda

community. A spokesman from the Red Cross. We will bring you more on

that devastation later. Annita is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary MPs will debate the European Union

withdrawal bill today. The regulation will transfer thousands

of EU laws and regulations into British law. Labour says it will

oppose the bill in a vote next week. Meanwhile the European Union wants

Northern Ireland to have a different Brexit deal to the rest of the UK,

the BBC understands. Proposals due to be published later today by

Michel Barnier are expected to suggest special exceptions to allow

people to work, go to school and receive medical treatment on either

side of the border with the Republic of Ireland.

A leading health organisation says Britain's obesity crisis

is being fuelled by businesses pushing unhealthy food and larger

The Royal Society for Public Health says that shoppers are at risk

of eating 17,000 extra calories a year from unnecessary

It wants businesses to stop encouraging people to eat more,

and suggests the government could reward businesses with reduced

Universities in England could face fines if they pay their leaders more

than the Prime Minister unless they can convince the regulator that

their bosses are with it. Dozens of vice chancellors currently earn more

than doubled the Prime Minister's annual salary of ?150,000.

Universities minister Jo Johnson says urgent measures are needed to

ensure a good deal for both students and taxpayers.

The second largest police force in England and Wales, West Midlands

Police, has been accused of failing to record thousands of crimes every

year including domestic abuse and rape. The Inspectorate of

Constabulary said the force's performance was inadequate. The

force said they took the issue seriously and said a number of cases

had been recorded but classified incorrectly. One in five people who

are gay, lesbian or bisexual have experienced a hate crime in the last

year according to research by the charity Stonewall. They found 80% of

victims chose not to report the crimes to police. Ian Miller has

more. Leon and Steve want to be able to be

themselves, but say they can't Three weeks ago I was in a nightclub

and this guy must have heard my voice, heard that I'm camp

and gay, so thought he would He turned around and started saying

some quite homophobic slurs to me, I wasn't going to let him

ruin my night at the time, which he definitely didn't like,

because he then turned around And from that stamp,

I found out two days later, Compared with how things were 20

years ago when I first came out, With gay characters all around us,

people growing up with that, the last thing I expected

was for a young man to find it offensive and think it was OK

to hit me. New research carried out

by Stonewall suggests that hate The number of lesbian,

gay and bisexual people who experienced hate crime

in the past year increased 41% of transgender people said

they had suffered an incident 81% of people surveyed didn't report

the offence to police. The charity is warning

against complacency and has called on the public to work

with the authorities It really needs police

forces to step up. It needs the government to look

at how they deal with hate crime. What we are asking people to do

is to sign the pledge on our website that they will stand up for LGBT

equality in their communities, because actually it'll take

individuals in every part of Britain The government has said

it is already working with police and the justice system to help

ensure victims have the Facebook says it has discovered

evidence of a Russian operation to promote divisive social and

political messages on the social network during the US presidential

campaign. The company said ?77,000 was spent on about 3000 adverts over

a two year period. The adverts did not back any specific political

figures but posted on topics including immigration, race and

equal rights. Prince George is

starting school today. The four-year-old is

attending Thomas's School Fees at the school are more

than ?17,000 a year. Prince George was taken

to school by his father. The Duchess of Cambridge,

who is pregnant with the couple's third child,

is said to be suffering That's a summary of

the latest BBC News. Thank you. Get in touch in the usual

ways. We are talking about hate crime later. If you have been the

victim of a hate crime, please get in touch. Sports news in just a

moment and we will play you a little bit more of that new George Michael

track which has been released today eight months after his death. Have a

listen. # Hey little baby, there ain't much

point in hanging around, yeah It is a remix of a track Fantasy

which was supposed to be an the Listen Without Prejudice album. It

was recorded in 1990. George Michael's sisters have posted an

update on his official website saying they will carry on his

musical legacy exactly as he would have wanted. You are an aficionado

of George Michael's music. Tell us what you think of that track. Now

the sport. We start at the US Open. Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal have

never played each other there before and it will not be happening again

this time? No, absolutely not. It was what all

tennis fans had been hoping for. Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal would

have rolled back the years when they met in the Australian Open final

back in January, but there will be no repeat because the five-time

Wimbledon champion has been knocked out of the Open after being beaten

by Juan Martin del Potro. It is the first time the Swiss has lost in a

Grand Slam all season. The Wimbledon champion was beaten in four sets to

book his place, as del Potro moved into the last four and he will be

meeting Rafael Nadal. Roger Federer admitted he was not really feeling

his best this year. I knew it would be a tough one. I struggled

throughout the tournament thinking too far ahead. In some ways I am

actually happy I made the quarters. I am not that disappointed because

it has been a good run already this year. You know, unfortunately I ran

into a guy who was better on the day. It is del Potro who will take

on Rafael Nadal for a place in the final. But failed adult is back in

the world number one spot which he took off Andy Murray. He was

ruthless against the 19-year-old Russian. He dropped just five games

in the whole match. Sorry, go on. Are you going to say something or am

I? Let's hear from Victoria! There is an all American line-up for the

women's semifinals. Exactly that. You would have to go all the way

back to 1981 for the last time that happened. This year Karolina

Pliskova's time as number one has been that to an end. And Venus

Williams will take on Sloane Stephens. Chris Evatt and Barbara

Potter faced off and Austin took on Martina Navratilova.

The story of the Sutton United reserve goalie eating a pie

First it was look at this stroke and then it became a bit more serious.

It's still going on, what's the latest? Yes. It escalated. Fans were

watching and thought, hang on a minute, and it started as a joke.

Wayne Shorter was Sutton United's reserve goalkeeper in this match in

February. An FA Cup defeat to Arsenal. He ate pie during the day

after a bookmaker odds of 8-1 that he would. He said it was just a bit

of fun at the time but later resigned and has now been fined ?375

and banned for two months by the FA for breaching their betting rules.

It started as a joke, but didn't end that way at all. Thank you. We will

have more throughout the morning. Marieke Vervoot is 38 and a top

Paralympian who won several medals in London 2012 and Rio

2016 for Belgium. She also wants to

choose when she dies. She lives with a painful

degenerative disease and has signed We've been following her

story on this programme She's told us that as her condition

continues to deterioate, she now has more bad days than good,

and wants to end her life when But anti-euthanasia campaigners say

it sends out a message that some We took disability

campaigner Mik Scarlet - who also lives with chronic spinal

pain - but is against Their conversation is frank

and contains discussions about suicide which you

may find upsetting. It's a really, really

lovely experience. I had to quit with my top sports,

and I was very scared I'm so happy that I

found another sport. You see your wheelchair

standing outside, and you Hello, I am Marieke Vervoort,

I am an athlete from Belgium. I have four Olympic medals,

including one gold in London 2012. But I have constantly battled

against a progressive disease, I've been living with chronic

pain for 37 years now. This will be the first time in quite

a few years of campaigning around the subject of assisted dying,

assisted suicide and euthanasia. That I've actually met someone

who themselves is disabled and those experiencing it from the other side

of the argument. I suppose my worries

about euthanasia is that we don't live in a world, I think,

that's kind of ready for it. Because I don't think

the world understands And I don't think it's

kind of in a position where we are all able to live

as we want. So it worries me that more and more

countries are getting the right to die with this kind of choice,

I have the right to die as I want. I'm not saying that's a bad thing,

I'm just saying I think it would be good if before we got that,

we had the right to live as we want. I don't agree with

what you're talking. You're talking about getting

all things out of your life. I take all things, and I've

got a big bucket list I will live, I'm going for the life,

so long as the life I heard your story, obviously it's

not exactly the same, You know, 14, 15, I was disabled

from birth because I From the base of my hips

to the base of my rib cage, So now what I've got is titanium

rods that go from the top of my rib They are bolted

together, so I'm solid. My nephew thinks it's

fantastic that I'm like But can I ask you something,

is your disease stable now? The condition I've got is not

a continuous downward sort of slope. But I don't know what tomorrow

will bring, if you know what I mean. I can't guarantee that today

is the last day I'll be OK. Me, it's going every

time worse and worse. My view, I see now,

only 20% any more. One eye, one point,

the other eye two points. They don't know, it's also something

wrong with my brain. Also, the last years,

a lot of epileptic attacks. For me, if I still have good days,

then it's worth to enjoy But now it starts to have more bad

days than good days, and it's getting really difficult,

that's why I really, really glad Because I have my own

life in my hands. When I say it's enough,

I can't live in this condition, I have the right to say

I want to quit now. That came off me, a lot of stress,

a lot of things off me. I felt safe from that moment

and I started to live again Yeah, I completely get

what you're saying. Because I've also been in quite dark

places quite a few times in my life. The first time it happened,

I genuinely planned a suicide. I couldn't leave the house

without assistance at the time. So I waited to rebuild my life

enough, so that I could go But what if you kill yourself

and it's not working? And you come out of it

and you live like a vegetable? Without those papers,

I would be thinking all the time, Euthanasia is not something that you

get like going to the supermarket. You have to go to three different

doctors and you have to prove that no treatment exists,

and there are no medicines to make Because of those papers,

I can enjoy every moment. It troubles me if we end up

with a situation where people are very keen to fight

for your right to have the right But people don't seem to very keen

to for you to have the right I've got some new friends that

I have the people that care for them taken away,

that are being put into care homes, whether they want to or not, that

are having all of the assistance that they have taken

away from them because I don't think, when that happens,

you can make an informed choice. If you can't decide who wipes your

bum, and somebody says, hey, you know you could die,

and it would be dignified, You can't choose to have the dignity

of deciding who looks after you, You know what pain is,

when you are totally alone? And you're crying because of

pain, you're yelling that they hear it in

the corner of the street. This is the point,

that we are losing sight of the fact that, for example,

if pain is a reason to die, then what does that mean

for someone like me, in fact one time I had four years

of solid pain that never stopped, just didn't stop at all,

and during that time, yes, I won't deny it,

there were times when I thought, But if I lived in a society

with that law, then Because I have those

papers and I can do it, everything is already ready

for when the time is there. It gives me a good feeling that

I can plan everything for and go I don't know when the time

is, and I'm busy now with a new experiment,

with the pain treatment, with a doctor that

I've never met before. If it's not working,

then I have to say stop. I'm again in the hospital

because I felt really, really bad. I really hope you don't think in any

way that I am judging We have the chance to talk

and use things like this to explore our inner feelings,

I think, and make I want to live and to end

my life is beautiful. A month ago, I met a guy

who's doing funerals. He came to my house

and I arranged my funeral already. So it's really different

than a normal funeral. I choose not a black box,

but a red box with white flowers and also a box

with all white butterflies. It's really weird, when I say it

now, but for me I love it I really love the feeling

that they put me in the sleep. I think that has given me the same

feeling, that you will sleep I hear a lot that I

inspire a lot of people. I hope that people get another

vision about euthanasia and they won't see it like murder,

but it can be also a good thing. I want them to toast

on the good life that I had. I don't want people to cry,

I want people happy. But that they are also happy that

I'm not in pain any more, You can hear more from Marieke

on 5Live Sport tonight at 8.30pm and it will be available to download

as a podcast. If you're affected by any

of the issues in this film please visit the BBC Action Line

for details of where you can get help and support -

bbc.co.uk/actionline. It is 9:30am. A couple of comments

now from people watching that film. This email from Chris in Cheshire,

every person should have the choice to live or die. It should not be

ruled by others who disagree with what is OK for them. It has got to

be down to the person themselves. And this email from Peter: The right

to die assumes society and the state of your life. If they don't, then

the premise of rights to die is outrageous, because they have no

rights to give or take regarding a life. And on Twitter: An

exceptionally candid and brave discussion taking place between two

people on Victoria Derbyshire right now on coping with pain and the

right to die. Thank you for those and please keep them coming in. Now

the latest news headlines with Annita McVeigh.

News is emerging of the devastating impact of Hurricane Irma

on the Caribbean islands it's passed.

At least nine people have been killed.

Officials say the French and Dutch territory of Saint Martin has

The small island of Barbuda is said to be barely habitable.

The Red Cross said the impact of the storm was unparalleled.

The UK takes another step towards Brexit today, as MPs debate

The measures would transfer thousands of EU laws and regulations

The Government has urged MPs from all parties to work with them

to get the legislation through Parliament, but Labour says

it will oppose the bill in a vote next week.

The European Union wants Northern Ireland to have a different

Brexit deal to the rest of the UK, the BBC understands.

Proposals due to be published later today by the EU's chief negotiator,

Michel Barnier, are expected to suggest special exceptions

to allow people to work, go to school and receive medical

treatment on either side of the border with

Prince George is starting school today.

The four-year-old is attending Thomas's School

Fees at the school are more than ?17,000 a year.

Prince George was taken to school by his father.

The Duchess of Cambridge, who is pregnant with

the couple's third child, is said to be suffering

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

Roger Federer has been knocked out of the US Open

by Juan Martin del Potro, which means it's the Argentine

who will face Rafael Nadal in the semi-final.

Fans at Flushing Meadows were hoping to watch Federer and Nadal face off

for the first time in the competition.

But the five-time champion, who suffered his first defeat

in a Grand Slam this season, admitted he was simply

In the women's draw, it's an all-American semi-final line

Coco Vandeweghe ended Karolina Pliskova's reign

as world number one, beating her in straight

sets to set up a meeting with compatriot Madison Keys,

while Venus Williams will take on Sloane Stephens.

Chris Froome had his lead cut by 42 seconds in the Vuelta A Espana

as Vincenzo Nibali capitalised on a gruelling final climb

Froome, the four-time Tour de France winner, is aiming to win

England's deciding Test match against West Indies gets under way

to the side and another fast bowler, James Anderson, could become

the first Englishman to take 500 Test wickets.

That is all the sport. Back to you. Thank you. There is a new George

Michael track out and it has been released eight months after his

death. It got its first airing on Chris Evans's breakfast show this

morning. We are about to play

George Michael's brand-new single. Thank you, David Austin, George's

manager, for sending us this. He has just typed this and sent it

to us now so we know "Fantasy was originally meant to be

on Listen Without Prejudice and was intended to be one

of the singles from the album, but somehow it got lost

in the ether, in what was going Though George did then release it

later as a B-side in 1990. However, years later,

just last year, when looking for a lead single for the reissue

of George's Listen Without Prejudice MTV Unplugged album, and to

accompany the new film, Freedom, that George had just finished

working on before Christmas, Fantasy was George's

first and obvious choice. So George phoned up Nile Rodgers,

his good pal, in early 2016, because the two

of them have always spoken the same musical language,

as long as they have known each other,

and Nile reworked the record." And that is what you are

about to hear right now. # Little baby, I can give you

all the loving that your heart # One day you say you love me

that your heart desires # Hey, little baby, there ain't much

point me hanging around, yeah # One day you say you will stay

that your love is in my hands # But the next you're

changing your plans # Ain't much point

in hanging around, yeah # Because if you ain't

got time for me Nile Rodgers has been posting on

Twitter about his nerves before this was released. He said he had pins

and needles and he would work until the report starts coming in.

And in tribute to the original artist, he then tweeted:

Let's find out what this new track means to his fans.

Laura O'Mahoney is a fan of George Michael and danced

to one of his tracks as her first wedding dance.

George Michael music since he was a teenager.

What do you think of it? I think it is brilliant. Y? I think it will be

fun to dance to when I go out. I think it is a nice updated version

of it. It sounds like the original but it is really good fun and upbeat

and a great legacy as to what George Michael was all about. And what

about you? I can't agree any more. I think it is fantastic. A fantastic

track. Tell me about the first dance at your wedding. It was Careless

Whisper, one of my favourite George Michael tracks, and I managed to

persuade my husband not to be too embarrassed to dance to it and we

had a great DJ singer who did it electro swing style and it was great

fun. A bit of a laugh, not taking it too seriously. And also because I

love George Michael, it was quite special. And apparently there was a

George Michael B match your hen do as well. Yes, I thought I wasn't

that much of a fan but clearly I am! At my hen do in London, I entered

the room and all my friends were dressed up as George Michael with

really dodgy blonde wigs, Wham plaything, and everyone was

wondering who we were dressed up as. We are just showing pictures of your

hen party which is quite bizarre! But good fun. It is better than just

wearing tutus and carrying around obscene inflatables! I totally agree

on that point! What was the first George Michael track you bought?

Wake Me Up Before You Go Go. Then I was caught. I just kept buying every

time more music was released. What do you think the mix of this track

says about his legacy? I think it is typical George. He has always

recorded music and he has always tried to renew himself and his

music. He has always tried to take some of his old tracks and remake

them. Everything She Wants, which was released as a single and a

Re/Max, and remixed again. Almost every single was re-done over the

years so it is so typical of George Michael. What are the chances of

this going to number one, Laura? I would like to say the chances are

very high and people will buy the track and download it in memory of

him. It is quite a treat to be able to get the track after he has left

us. I hope people will take it seriously and enjoy it and buy it. I

certainly will do. Chris Evans read this out this morning. Just in case

you missed that, Laura, this is from the management. Fantasy was

originally meant to be an Listen Without Prejudice, intended to be

one of the singles from that album, but it got lost on either of what

was going on at that time, although it was released as a B-side in 1990,

although years later, just last year, when looking for relief single

for the reissue of Without Prejudice MTV Unplugged, and to celebrate the

film Freedom, Fantasy was his first and obvious choice. Then he rang up

Nile Rodgers in early 2016 because the two have always spoken the same

musical language as long as they have known each other. And Nile

Rodgers reworked the record and that is what they are hearing today. I am

just looking at Twitter. So many people love it. Number one it is,

says somebody. Fantasy has sent shivers down my spine and I so miss

George Michael. Quite a few people tweeting Nile Rodgers to say thank

you. We will see what happens. Thank you both very much.

Coming up: Universities in England could face fines if they pay their

leaders more than the Prime Minister. We will bring you the

story. Thank you for your comments about the school which has

effectively introduced a gender neutral uniform. That means that

girls cannot wear skirts. Jerome says why be dictatorial? Why not

give children the choice of wearing skirts, Gilles, trousers? Taking

away the choice is back. This email from John: Who decided that trousers

are gender neutral? And this one: Gender neutral uniform? This world

is going to end. That seems apocalyptic! You are either a boy or

a girl and it is that simple. And from Mike: To for somebody to be

gender neutral is surely as bad as forcing somebody into agenda. Why

must a girl who wants to wear a skirt be made to wear trousers?

It was the most effective and stand-out slogan

from the Brexit campaign - "Let's take back control".

Well, later we'll start to hear more about what taking back

The European Union Withdrawal Bill represents the biggest

constitutional change in the UK since the 1970s as thousands of EU

laws and regulations are effectively downloaded into British law.

MPs will start debating it, with Labour planning to oppose it

because they say it gives too much power to the government rather

Once informally known as the Great Repeal Bill,

the now less grandly titled European Union Withdrawal Bill

faces its first big test in Parliament today.

But what is it and why does it matter?

Well, the idea is to do the biggest cut and paste job in parliamentary

history, by moving 40 years' worth of EU law straight into UK law.

Then, when the UK formally leaves the EU in 2019,

Britain will be able to change those laws as it sees fit.

Sounds straightforward enough, doesn't it?

Well, the bill also includes controversial powers

nicknamed Henry VIII clauses, after the 16th century king

who introduced a Statute of Proclamations that gave him power

to make laws without Parliament's consent.

Critics fear these powers would allow ministers

to change legislation without the scrutiny of Parliament.

As a result, the opposition Labour Party have vowed

They say it grants too much power to ministers to, quote,

"Slash people's rights at work and reduce protections for consumers

The government says it won't use the powers to make significant

changes, and has warned that if the bill doesn't clear

the Commons, it could create a legal vacuum when the UK leaves

Since the last election, the government has a wafer thin

majority, with only just enough MPs to get new laws passed.

But if this bill, or one like it, isn't passed by the time the UK

formally leaves the EU, Britain could find itself

Let's talk to Mark Harper from the Conservatives,

Stephen Gethins who's the SNP's Europe spokesperson,

And in a moment Labour MP Peter Kyle, when he joins us. Good

morning. Mark Harper, the former Attorney General Dominic grieve says

no sovereign parliament should pass the EU withdrawal bill. Is he wrong?

I'm very happy with the bill. I've looked at the bill. I think it does

what's necessary. It takes all of the European legislation that's

currently passed in secondary look legislation puts into British law so

when we leave we get a smooth exit. It's worth saying, the legislation

it's going to move was all passed into law through the same process as

the secondary legislation and I didn't hear lots of people

complaining about that at the time. I think it's a necessary process.

The House of Lords committee looked at it and said in an ideal world you

wouldn't do it like this, but they accepted because of the volume of

legislation, this was necessary. They said the government should

limit the powers ministers are going to have on the government has. The

powers ministers have, they can't use it for example to create taxes

or make retrospective legislation. It is for tweaking the legislation

and of those powers. Tweaking sounds so benign. It is. What are you

worried about? All reviewable by the courts. I'm astonished to hear Mark

talking about nobody ever complaining. We've had years of

Eurosceptics complaining about European wars do UK Government

signed up to. -- European laws the UK Government signed up to. This

paragraph that the House of Lords are concerned about, the Law Society

of Scotland have illustrated concerns, takes power backstroke

from Parliament. These Henry VIII clauses they are using, why not give

control back to Parliament? Give Parliament a say. One thing that's

missing... Sorry, sorry. What do you mean? Two solutions. On areas that

are devolved competences, give the devolved administrations in Wales,

Northern Ireland and Scotland say over those, don't restrict what they

can legislate on and they can't legislate on, which this bill does.

It restricts them. On the Parliamentary side, give Parliament

proper scrutiny. They are restricting the days we can debate

this. One thing that is astonishing, if the government had the courage of

its convictions and was confident of what it was doing, it would be happy

with Parliamentary scrutiny but it is not. Peter Kyle from the Labour

Party, thank you for joining us. You will tell me your party is

definitely not trying to block Brexit when it votes against the

second reading of this bill, but that will be the perception among

some people, some voters out there who voted for Brexit. I can say

categorically, and I'm in a good place to say this, the party is

absolutely not trying to block Brexit. I am someone who voted

against Article 50 and broke the Labour whip. I think our country was

fundamentally unprepared and our government was unprepared for the

negotiation period. OK... I'm prepared for the legislative

consequences of Brexit. Today's paragraph is proof positive that our

government did not give the time or the consideration and is

underprepared for the whole Brexit process that they are ramming

through parliament with too little time. How are you going to convince

people that this concern about Parliamentary sovereignty is not

simply masquerading you trying to put hurdles in the way of the

government completing Brexit? They are two separate things. Article 50

and a vote for article 15 triggered the Brexit process. This is about

how we do Brexit and getting Brexit right and getting a Brexit that is

right for Britain. What is your solution? I wonder if it is possible

to deliver a Brexit good for Britain when you see the leaks coming out of

government and the shambles of the negotiation process unfolding around

us. What specifically? What is it specifically Labour is suggesting?

There is something like 12,000 regulations under EU law that we are

going to download. You are not talking about scrutinising all those

pieces... Why not? How long will it take? It should take as long as it

takes. If Brexit is about Parliamentary sovereignty, we give

sovereignty to Parliament. What you don't do is take Parliamentary

sovereignty away. What would be wrong...? That was an enlightening

answer. What it says is, if you went through every single one of those

regulations, which by the way didn't have that level of scrutiny when

they became law in the first place. That is what people voted for. The

Labour Party were happy to do that. Then this process would never

finish. The real agenda of the Labour Party is they want to kick

and pushed down the road are sleeving, because many of them... We

want to get it right. If we leave it in two years' time in March 2019 and

have removed all this into British law, it will be a chaotic exit.

Businesses, the public and people will suffer. Do you not accept Peter

Kyle's point about doing it properly? It takes as long as it

takes? We are taking these pieces of secondary legislation which

currently rely on European legislation to be law and moving

into British law. The powers that are going to ministers are to enable

small changes, where you need to change the name of an institution

for example. The government has been very clear that any significant

changes will be done through primary legislation, through the full

Parliamentary process. Do not believe it? Mark... I don't. These

assurances, Mark trying to tell if it's not that bad. Dominic Grieve,

former Attorney General, we sit on opposite benches, very different

views but real concerns about this. This is something really important.

This has a huge impact on everybody, on our environment, it opportunities

for young people, on the economy, and jobs. The economy will take a

massive hit from this process. It takes as long as it takes and

Parliamentary scrutiny is important. I agree with

Peter, his concerns about ramming this through Parliament. What's the

point of having a parliament if it is not fair to scrutinise and ask

the government questions? Especially on something that will affect each

and everyone of us in such a devastating way is this. Peter Kyle,

your labour colleague who voted to leave the EU said anyone who votes

against the principle of this bill, which is what you are debating this

afternoon and the next few days, is betraying the will of the British

people. That is one of your colleagues. She is wrong, I'm sorry!

She's wrong. She's in a tiny minority within Labour and within

Parliament. On this particular point she is simply wrong. When Labour

were in power, Mark and his party voted against Labour if we brought

in a bill which had more than ten or 11 statutory instruments that were

giving more powers to government. They repeatedly said it was a power

grab. They are introducing a bill today that will have over 1000

pieces of legislation, power which is round away from Parliament into

government, out of the hands of civilians, out of the hands of

democratic scrutiny. This bill is pernicious and wrong. I don't agree

with that. It is a practical measure. The House of Lords

Constitution committee said this is the only way it can be reasonably

done. They said ministers' power should be restrained. There is clear

legislation that talks about the limits ministers will have. I looked

at the bill last night in preparation for this and am very

clear there are lots of controls in there and I am content with them and

will be supporting the bill on Monday. Are you not happy with the

limits in there, Peter Kyle? Why don't you believe them? The limits?

There are no limits in this bill. That are. This bill does not give

1000 statutory instruments and 1000 different mechanisms for ministers

and civil servants to take decisions that are going to affect our air

quality, lousy quality, the food quality... Right across the raft of

regulation for our country. It's also giving the power to overturn

different pieces of legislation. This bill, for example, will give

the power to ministers to leave the finally -- to finally leave the EU

without coming back to Parliament for the final vote. They give power

to government that could even overturn this particular piece of

legislation. The power given to government by this bill is

overwhelming. It is unprecedented. We need time to scrutinise and get

Brexit right. I think Brexit is going wrong and we need to stop and

think about it, but I'm fully behind Labour's position now, to get this

bill right and get every step of the way right. Otherwise we would damage

our country in the most pernicious and evangelistic way. OK. A quick

final way. Theresa May said she will stay on to fight the next general

election, are you happy? I want the Prime Minister to get this Brexit

negotiations on. Are you happy with her planning to stay? She said

before to MPs at Westminster she will stay as long as we were noted.

She's doing a great job negotiating the Brexit deal. She said she will

stay on to fight the next general election, would you support? I want

her to get this Brexit negotiation done and then all the other

challenges facing against product -- about around productivity and job

creation for some she's doing a great job and I want I just don't

get that done. Do you want her to stay on as she announced she will be

doing to fight the next general election? I want her to stay and

deliver the thing she said. What about fighting a general election?

We have a five-year Parliament. I want her to get on and deliver for

the British people. Are you happy... Very happy to defend and support her

if she does that. What about the question I have asked you a number

of times... Are you happy Theresa May has announced she is planning to

stay on to fight the next general election? I'm very content to

support the Prime Minister. Doing a great job... For the next general

election? I'm very happy with the leader she has as leader of our

party and Prime Minister. And the next general election, you to put

that not? She said she will stay as long as the Parliamentary party...

Since she has said that she has announced she will be staying on to

fight the next general election. I'm very happy with what she's doing

reading our country and happy to continue supporting her for as long

as she wants to stay as Prime Minister. She wants to fight the

next general election. I said as long as she wants to stay as Prime

Minister. Thank you very much. Mark Harper from the Conservatives,

Stephen Gethins from the SNP and Peter Kyle from the Labour Party,

thank you for coming onto the programme. Some

breaking news to bring you if I may. They're with me one moment. The

Crown Prosecution Service says it has received a file from the police

regarding allegations of historical child sexual abuse made by a man who

was known as Nick, which led to operation Midland. The CPS

spokesperson said on the 4th of September we received a file of

evidence from Northumbria Police with allegations against one person

as to perverting the course of justice and fraud. Prosecutors will

consider the evidence with a view to making a charging decision in line

with the code for Crown prosecutors. Thank you for your comments about

right to die. This e-mail from Sandra who said, I've just been

watching your very moving discussion. On the right to die. I

fully support anyone who wishes to end their life through illness. I

travelled with my husband Andrew to dig in attacks in December last

year. He had MS for 24 years. He had no quality-of-life but he had the

ability to make his final decision of taking control. -- I travelled

with my husband Andrew to Dignitas. Ending his life when he wished.

And Roger has e-mailed as well. Having spent a good deal of time in

distress through spinal pain and frightening asthmatic attacks I can

understand that some who suffered this on a permanent basis would want

some peace. What worries me, says Roger, if we might reach a stage

where people were so worried about the fact they were too much of a

burden on others and ruining the lives of others that it would be

best to put this right by ending their lives. Once we are living and

breathing, life has got to be fought for. Thank you for those.

Do keep your comments coming in. We will bring you the latest sport and

news in a moment but first, the latest weather with

Simon. Good morning. I thought I would

start by showing you the latest with hurricane Irma. Still a massive

category five hurricane and is currently just to the north of the

Dominican Republic. You can see the eye, offshore but giving strong

winds, heavy rain and a storm surge in the Dominican

Republic and up towards Haiti. It will work its way towards the Turks

and Caicos Islands later. That is one area we will keep a very close

eye on. As it maintains its strength as a category five hurricane.

Back to the UK. An area of low pressure sitting towards the

north-west of the UK. That is bringing is not only some fairly

strong winds across northern and western areas but some outbreaks of

rain as well. That rain is going to gradually work further southwards as

we go into this afternoon. Towards the south and east of England things

going little drier. Quite cloudy but there will be in a few bright spots.

Remaining quite wet across Scotland during this afternoon. With that

breeze, feeling quite cool, temperatures only 14 or 15. Pretty

wet for Northern Ireland and eventually some wet weather into

north-west England, North Wales as well. Elsewhere, across England and

Wales, while there could be a few showers it is mostly cloudy. Any

brightness will be down towards the south and east. That is where

temperatures will get to about 17-19.

Through this evening and overnight, the wet weather will continue to

spread further south and east. Still quite breezy conditions to take this

into the early hours of Friday morning. Overnight temperatures down

to about 11-13. During Friday, quite unsettled for many. A few heavy

showers affecting the northern half of the UK. Further south, you can

see this area of rain spreading into southern areas. Some of that could

be on the heavy side. Pretty breezy for many. Temperatures around the

mid to high teens, again feeling pretty cool.

Into the weekend, staying cool and quite windy. Some rain around us.

This is the picture on Saturday. Quite a few showers coming in.

Blustery conditions throughout the day on Saturday. Temperatures around

15-18. By the time we get to Sunday, this area of low pressure starts to

move in. Tightening isobars, stronger winds on Sunday for all of

us. With that, the weather front bringing outbreaks of rain mainly in

the West but will spread further eastwards. Some brighter skies the

further east you are but eventually turning cloudy and wet. That's it

for me, see you later. Thank you. It is Thursday just after

10am. I'm Victoria Derbyshire. Hurricane Irma has caused widespread

disruption across the Caribbean, leaving at least nine people dead.

Thousands were running from house to house and we had cars flying over

our heads. We had containers, 40 foot containers flying left and

right. We will talk to some of those affected. And one in five LGBT

people have experienced hate crime or hate incidents in the last year.

One in ten have been assaulted, but many of those are reluctant to

report it to the police. He punched me in the face and broke my nose and

I needed an operation under general anaesthetic a few weeks later. We

will ask the police if they are failing the victims of hate crimes.

And the incredible video of a shoplifter in Texas who managed

to slip off her handcuffs, steal a police car and lead them

We have video of that which we will show you in the next half an hour.

It is quite extraordinary. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news. News is emerging of the devastating

impact of Hurricane Irma At least nine people

have been killed. Officials say the French and Dutch

territory of Saint Martin has The small island of Barbuda is said

to be barely habitable. The Red Cross said the impact

of the storm was unparalleled. The UK takes another step

towards Brexit today, as MPs debate The measures would transfer

thousands of EU laws and regulations The government has urged MPs

from all parties to work with them to get the legislation

through Parliament, but Labour says it will oppose the bill

in a vote next week. The European Union wants

Northern Ireland to have a different Brexit deal to the rest of the UK,

the BBC understands. Proposals due to be published later

today by the EU's chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, are expected

to suggest special exceptions to allow people to work,

go to school and receive medical treatment on either

side of the border with A leading health organisation says

Britain's obesity crisis is being fuelled by businesses

pushing unhealthy food and larger The Royal Society for Public Health

says that shoppers are at risk of eating 17,000 extra calories

a year from unnecessary It wants businesses to stop

encouraging people to eat more, and suggests the government

could reward businesses with reduced Universities in England could face

fines if they pay their leaders more than the Prime Minister

unless they can convince a regulator Dozens of vice-chancellors currently

earn more than double the Prime Minister's

annual salary of ?150,000. The universities minister Jo Johnson

says urgent measures are needed to ensure a good deal for both students

and taxpayers. One in five people who are gay,

lesbian or bisexual have experienced a hate crime in the past year

according to research It found more than 80 percent

of victims chose not to report Stonewall has said it has launched

its Come Out For Lgbt campaign to fight this.

Prince George is starting school today.

The four-year-old is attending Thomas's School

Fees at the school are more than ?17,000 a year.

Prince George was taken to school by his father.

The Duchess of Cambridge, who is pregnant with

the couple's third child, is said to be suffering

The school's principal explained what kind of person he had George

will be when he leaves primary school. I hope very much that he

will be himself. The whole aim of these precious years of early

education is to give children confidence in who they are. We will

not try and mould him into any kind of particular person and we wouldn't

do that with any of our pupils. We hope you will have the confidence to

be himself with all his quirks and idiosyncrasies and characteristics.

That is what we want for all of our children. That is a summary of the

latest BBC News. More at 10:30am. Dan in Birmingham says Labour, the

SNP and the liberals all trying to scupper Brexit. And when RMP is

going to understand that we voted to leave because we don't want MPs

deciding what happens? -- when our MPs going to understand? Let the

cards fall wherever they fall. There was not this level of scrutiny on

entry. And this one: When we see how many laws have got to be passed into

UK law, it shows how much we have been ruled by the unelected

omission. And this one: We can only assume that Conservative MP Mark

Harper does not want Theresa May to run as per a minister in the next

general election. Now she knows it. Please get in touch. If you are

texting, you will be charged. Now the sport.

It's barely believable but Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal

have never played each other at the US Open and unfortunately

for many ardent tennis fans, that's not going to change this year

either because the Swiss has been knocked out in the quarter finals.

Federer was beaten in four sets by Juan Martin del Potro,

so it's the Argentine who will take on Nadal in the last four.

It was the Wimbledon champion's first defeat of the season

and he admittted he just wasn't playing at his best.

I knew it was going to be a tough one. I had struggled too much

throughout the tournament, you know, to think too far ahead. In some ways

I'm actually happy I made the quarterfinals. I am not that

disappointed because it has been a good run this year already.

Unfortunately I ran into a guy who was better on the day.

Nadal was ruthless against the Russian teenager Andrey Rublev

as he booked his place in the semi-final.

The Spaniard, who recently reclaimed the world number one spot,

dropped just five games in the match.

It's double misery for Karolina Pliskova,

who will now lose her world number one ranking after she lost her

It means the women's draw features an all-American semi-final line-up

Vandeweghe will take on Madison Keys while Serena Williams plays

Manu Tuilagi's hopes of appearing in England's autumn

internationals were already slim but now they're over

after he suffered a knee injury in Leicester's Premiership opener

Tuilagi had already been told by coach Eddie Jones

more chance to prove he had the right attitude to

England's Test series decider against West Indies begins today.

It will be the last commentary for Toby. He said it was too early to

know what he would be feeling about his retirement. I am trying to wake

up still. I have not been through a full inventory of how I am. I have

been doing this for God knows how long. I will only know when I am

commentating. Lovely to have a Test match with something riding on it.

We are hoping for the West Indies revival to continue. I do. It would

be lovely if they won. It would do cricket so much good. I am all for

them winning. And we speaking to our correspondent Joe Wilson. That is

all this book. Thank you. Welcome to the programme.

Hurricane Irma has caused devastation in the Caribbean with

some islands totally flattered. The Prime Minister of the small island

of Barbuda says it has been left barely habitable. A toddler has been

killed and 90% of buildings including schools and hospitals have

been damaged. Barbuda sustained wind

of up to 225 mph. As a result of that,

the country's infrastructure, all of the homes are practically

decimated, up to 90% In many instances, some of the homes

are totally demolished. So it's a really terrible

situation there. We are now trying to bring some

urgent relief to the people of Barbuda, and then hopefully

to start the rebuilding Prime Minister, for people

that don't know Barbuda, could you just describe it

a little more? I think there were 1600

people living there. There wasn't really anywhere

for people to go from those kind of winds and, I guess,

a storm surge as well? It's an extremely flat island, only

about as many as 1800 inhabitants. That's one of the issues

why the devastation would have been so bad,

because there are no hills and so on to serve

as breakers for the wind. Clearly, the wind would have

literally had a free space That is just the nature of Barbuda,

a very flat island. Again, the highest point I believe

is about 50 feet above sea level. Presently there is maybe

three or four inches So it's a really challenging

situation in Barbuda. Michael Joseph is the President

of the Red Cross in Antigua and Barbuda, and explained

the extent of the damage. The Prime Minister would have

indicated that damage in Barbuda is like none

we've ever seen before. Seeing pretty much 90% of

the country demolished, in rubble. When we first lost communication

with Barbuda, never did we anticipate that the next time

we would be receiving any form of image or any form

of communication from them would be Talking about everything

being completely destroyed. Its electricity, its roads,

its water, its food, its churches, There is literally nothing

that currently exists I think the Prime Minister has

spoken a bit earlier about the magnitude of what it

would cost us in terms of rebuilding the country

of Barbuda itself. From his indication,

we're talking about 100 million So even if we're looking

at getting Barbuda to 25%, we're talking about a significant

amount of investment. If you're looking from the Red Cross

perspective, just dealing with immediate needs that currently

exist in Barbuda. Residents have been describing

people tying themselves to their roots to try and save their lives as

the hurricane struck. -- roofs. What we experienced is something you

would see in a horror movie. People were literally running from house to

house and we had cards flying over our heads and 40 feet container is

flying left and right. At least nine people are known

to have died across the region. More than a million

people have been cut off from electricity in Puerto Rico

and the storm is now Let's talk to Brieaunna Curry

who is in Orlando in Florida And on the line is Erhan Sahin,

a British tourist Cuba is due to be hit by the storm

and Erhan is hoping to get out And Ummi Krishman Director

of the Emergency Health Unit at Save the Children,

who's deployed a specialist team to Doctor, tell us about the help you

have been giving. We know that this is a monster storm with catastrophic

impact. What we don't know is how long the nightmare will last. We are

not taking any chances. Save the Children works in all these

countries, especially Haiti and Dominican Republic, where we started

preparing the minute the storm started brewing. That is why we have

a specialist team from an emergency health unit. They will be responding

very quickly, starting with children and their medical and health needs,

and going onto psychosocial and mental health needs. We are talking

about a region with a history of cyclones. I was in last year

following Hurricane Matthew. There were two problems. One was the

impact of one of the worst storms to hit Haiti in 50 years, Matthew. The

second was the secondary impact of the hurricane, which was the cholera

outbreak. And the third one was that children had been going through

similar storms and they had been emotionally hit very badly. Our

priority will be to protect children, take care of them, says

their medical and health needs, emotional well-being, as well as

responding to survival needs. It is a big, catastrophic hurricane.

Julian, specialising in tropical prediction that the Met office. Can

you talk through the movements of hurricane Omar. A hurricane,

category five. Thankfully the eye of Hurricane Irma, where the strongest

winds, are keeping offshore at moment. It kept offshore at Porto

Rico. It is keeping off the shore of the Dominican Republic and Haiti,

but there is a possibility it could come very close to the Turks and

Caicos Islands and across the Bahamas and then into Cuba over the

next two lap or three days. And what about Florida? Yes, Florida seems to

be in its path as well. What we expected the continued westward

movement would happen through to about Saturday. And once it gets

close to Cuba, it is likely to take a sharp right turn, which means it

could make landfall directly over the southern tip of Florida. There

is a chance it could pass just east of Florida and run up the east coast

of Florida and into Georgia and the Carolinas. Whatever happens, Florida

will be impacted and other parts of the south-eastern USA as well. Can

you explain why the winds continue at such a pace? Is it to do with the

size of the landmass? Small territories, small pieces of land

don't really slow down the storm? That is right. The sea temperatures

in that region are slightly above average, a degree or 1.5 degrees

above average, fuelling the really strong winds in this hurricane.

Small islands like Barbuda which was passed over yesterday have no effect

on the intensity at all. Larger islands, such as Porto Rico may do,

but the eye is keeping offshore, so the amount of weakening over the

next two days, we do expect some weakening but it might be relatively

minimal. By the time the Hurricane gets to Florida, it still may be a

category four hurricane. Brieaunna, how are you preparing in this case

comes to your area? I mean kind of the same way everyone else is trying

to. Making sure food and water, and I have shelter for my dog and that

all my friends are safe. Just yesterday I try to go to the store

to pick up some supplies like water, making trips to the gas station to

get gasoline. Even though the storm is not set to hit as for a few days,

everything is selling out, from coast to coast. My parents live on

the Tampa side of Florida and everything there is sold out.

Everything upwards north of Jacksonville is getting sold out and

we are starting to get some evacuees from Miami down here in Orlando, who

will be going further north. We are just hunkering down and trying to

get supplies, if we can find them. Sorry to interrupt... There is no

question for you but to stay put. You're not going to try and get out

of the area? Well, I mean... We're in Orlando, about an hour and a half

away from the coast, a little more inland. We are little further up in

Florida, so right now we're kind of like sitting ducks. Our governor has

talked a lot about the evacuation plans for Miami. They are starting

to introduce them for the rest of Florida, but outside, north of

Miami, we don't know what to anticipate. We don't know if we need

to evacuate, we just need to know we need to prepare our houses, block --

blockade our windows and put sandbags up. When the storm gets

close to the southern tip of Florida, we will know what we need

to do up here, as far as evacuation goes. Let's talk to our friend in

Cuba, a British holiday-maker. Cuba is due to be hit as well. How long

are you due to stay there for? Well, we're staying here until Thursday...

INAUDIBLE A few days ago I was watching the

news. INAUDIBLE They let it slip there was a

hurricane hitting us. When I could speak... There only to members of

staff left on the complex. They said when the storm gets worse, lock

yourself in your room. We have tried calling the Thomas Cook rets but no

one picks up the phone. I am picking up every other word you are saying

but not all of it. I want to ask you, would you like to get out of

Cuba and come home before you were due to next Thursday? We are willing

to pay our way out. The British Embassy told us to contact Thomas

Cook and Thomas Cook and one is picking up the phone, the line is

just ringing dead. We were guaranteed when we booked this

holiday that there would be emergency contact, 24 hours a day,

but nobody is picking up the phone. We just want to get off this island.

We have Canadian citizens who will be evacuated in three hours' time.

They have a plain landing at the airport, evacuating them to Canada.

We don't mind paying for it. There are 70-80 tourists stranded. We just

want to get out. There are children and we don't know what to do. You

sound really frustrated. It is, because we have no information.

Nobody is giving us any information. You only have one security guard

standing on the front doors and a cleaner. That is all we have got.

OK. I hope you get through to someone. Thank you so much for

talking to us. A British tourist on holiday in Cuba, who wants to leave,

frankly, before the storm hits. Thank you to everybody for coming on

the programme, thank you. Have a look at this incredible

moment when a woman who has been arrested in Texas for shoplifting

slips off her handcuffs and steals a police car.

Wow was not how bold was that woman? Or stupid, one or the other.

Goodness me! Right, we are going to talk about the possibility of you

being a victim of crime in this country and whether your fear of

crime actually matches up to the reality. The BBC has developed a new

tool to find out. This is about you and me and everyone else in the

country. It is not thinking about that film or police officers being

victims of crime, it's about ordinary people. This is really

simple, a tool on a website that you can go to this morning, I tweeted a

link as well, that takes the National crime data from the crime

survey of England and Wales, a big rolling survey which captures real

experiences, and you put in your personal data. We don't capture that

data. Once that data is in, it gives you effectively an estimation of

your risk of being a victim of crime. The way it is able to do

that, it looks at people like you, in areas like yours and what has

happened to them over the last three or so years and put those two things

together with data on deprivation. Once you've got that, it gives you

an estimation of what's going on. OK. So we have created three

fictional people just to show how this works. It is not scientific but

it gives people an idea. This is Andy, a 22-year-old student. There

he is. He happens to be living in private rented accommodation in a

nice street in Maidenhead, which as you all know is where the Prime

Minister's constituency is. It is in the top 20% of the wealthiest areas.

What did the stats say about Andy? Andy is living in a nice area, nice

neighbourhood, I would be secured and all those things. He is three

and half times more likely than the average person in England to be a

victim of robbery. OK, that's interesting, why? It's nice in

Maidenhead, isn't it? It is. It all comes down to his age. He is young

and the young are more likely to be victims of crime. If you think about

it, I'm always badgering my son about locking up his bike. Lock up

your bike, those kinds of things. Sometimes kids forget about these

things and they have disposable goods, which are easy to steal.

That's one of the reasons young people are more likely to be a

victim of crime. And Emma, lives in Gateshead in Tyne Wear. 61, again

not scientific, fictional people. She is 61, she works and owns her

own home. What does... What is it called? Crime calculator. What does

it say about her? It says the risk of someone like Emma being a victim

of robbery is 0.3%. That is massively below Andy in Maidenhead.

Hugely below the national average. Yet the interesting thing, of

course, is most older people, people of her generation, would be more

likely to think they are victim of crime but in actual fact Emma,

living in a poorer area, in a poorer neighbourhood is less likely to be a

victim of robbery. Interesting. Let's have a look at the final

example, our fictional character is Claire. She is 45, she hasn't got a

job at the moment and lives in Saltash in Cornwall in social

housing. We fed her details into the crime calculator and what came out?

This is where it gets interesting around social deprivation. Because

she is poorer, in a poorer area, those are contributing factors to

her being the victim of crime. She's more likely to be a victim of

break-ins, robbery, potentially violent as well. So in essence, what

we see in the data is gender and age do matter. If you are a younger man,

you are more likely to be a victim of crime. If you are an older woman,

or the older you get is a woman, the less likely you are to be a victim

of crime. But in particular circumstances, Claire is a good

example of this, your economic conditions can affect how likely you

are to be a victim of crime. There are other factors we can't quite

capture, this is a very simple tool. But what we wanted to people,

myself, colleagues, we go on air talking about crime rate up and down

across the nation. People have a perception of what that means, but

in reality that is only part of the story. If you look at this tool will

give you a better sense of what may happen to you, it may not happen,

but it will give you greater sense. You need to take the two things into

consideration. One thing I would recommend is put younger versions of

yourself into the tall, change the data and the profiles and think

about why you're crime profile may have changed over the years. Very

interesting, thank you. Let's talk to Jane Wood -

she's a Forensic Psychologist from the University of Kent -

she's an expert in the way Good morning. Overall, we are told

crime has been coming down for about 20 years, broadly speaking. What has

happened with our perception of crime? The perception of crime and

the fear of crime that people feel is kind of fed by a number of

different factors. It is fed by the immediate neighbourhood, so if you

for instants perceive your neighbourhood is neglected, poor

street lighting, there is vandalism, youth gangs on the street, you're

likely to perceive that you are more likely to become a victim of crime.

It is also fed by our ability to defend ourselves. So this is one

explanation as to why the elderly feel more vulnerable. If elderly

people and females tend to feel they appear to be more vulnerable, that

they are more vulnerable and less able to defend themselves if they

were to be attacked, and so they perceive that their chances of being

a victim of crime are higher and therefore they fear crime more. But

it may not be the reality. No, no. Statistics do not bear that out, it

is not the reality. The reality is most likely victims of crime are

going to be young men under the age of 20. White and a final thought,

there is a difference between the way men and women perceive crime or

have a fear of crime. There is. The research shows men tend to fear

being victims of assault or robbery and women tend to fear being victims

of sexual assault. And of course, for women, when they think about

things like sexual assault, this has potentially life changing

consequences for them. So it becomes a bigger reality for them, a bigger

worry. Thank you very much for coming on the programme. Staying

with crime statistics, one in five people who are gay, lesbian or

bisexual have experienced a hate crime in the last year.

That's a 78 percent rise compared to four years ago.

He stamped on my hand, which was on the side of the staircase.

Before I knew it, there was blood everywhere.

Three weeks ago I was in a nightclub with my friends.

And whilst I was going up the stairs there was a group

From, I suppose, hearing my voice, one of the guys

At that time he turned around and started saying some quite

derogatory homophobic comments which, at the time, I brushed off

because I just felt too confident in myself.

From that, I suppose he got a little bit riled that he wasn't

as intimidating towards me as what he probably wanted

So he stamped on my hand, which was on the handrail

You could see a heel mark where he had stamped on my hand.

Just before I met Leon, just over 12 months ago,

I was having a drink in a gay bar in Birmingham, having a kiss

But there were some straight people in the bar that didn't like that.

Before we knew it, they jumped up and one of them was coming

Punched me in the face and broke my nose.

I ended up having to have an operation under general

anaesthetic a couple of weeks later to try to put it right again.

For people who are transgender, the hate crime figure

80% of victims chose not to report the crime to the police

and more than three in five gay men say they don't feel comfortable

walking down the street while holding their partner's hand.

Kiran Wood is a 17-year-old transgender student

She and her wife Becky were attacked on a night out in Croydon last year.

And David Tucker is from the National College of Policing.

Welcome to you all. Thank you for coming on the programme. Alex, you

are out with Becky when you were attacked. Tell the audience what

happened. We went out. We don't usually go out. We were with our

friends and we were approached by a gentleman who seemed quite friendly.

I think it was fuelled by drink, really. Everything was fine until

two men in particular are joined together and we got punched in the

face multiple times. I got my head slammed into a lamp post. We only

reported it because there were police right there. Why did those

men do that to you? Just because we were gay. They said derogatory

remarks as well. It was actually our friends who outwardly gay and

kissing in public which drew their attention. I guess we got the brunt

of it. I really horrific, violent attack. What impact as it had on you

both? We don't go out much. We have moved out of the area. We have a son

and we don't want to be in that area. I think London crime is much

higher. Even though it is more accepted in London, I think. I am

actually shocked that one in five people were attacked in the last

year. And not many reported it. I am not that surprised because the

police that we had did not really support us. We didn't have a proper

case person who was on our case. When we went to court, it was all

very... It wasn't actually dealt with properly because the police

were not actually there. And this was on a High Street and there were

no CCTV cameras whatsoever. One person was found guilty and one not

guilty. Specifically, what is your complaint about the police? The

guilty charge was when it was literally taken to the judge and he

decided guilty. He wasn't there. He had fled the country and there is a

warrant out for his arrest. The second guy got not guilty because he

asked to go to Crown Prosecution Service have a jury. What is your

complaint about the police specifically because I have a

representative from the college of policing right here and he needs to

hear it. On the second court date when it had gone to the jury and he

had to stand up and say what happened, the police officer who

spoke up to us in the first instance was also there on the day and she

said I have not even looked at your case file in the eight months that

have gone by. And you experience to hate incident because you are

transgender. What happened? I was in Paddington and I went to go to the

toilet and a toilet attendant in their challenged me when I went into

the toilet. They said it was not the female toilets and I made it clear

that my gender identity is mail so I was using the toilet that matched my

gender identity. He continued to challenge me. Being confident in

myself, I went into the toilet and just went to go to the toilet. When

I came out, he was looking at me and smirking, and he followed me very

closely behind as I left the toilet. He caused me to have a panic attack.

Really? The impact was that great? Why do you think that was? Yes. I

was wearing this T-shirt. It says some people are trans, get over it.

I think because I am quite open about my identity and who I am and

some people are just not OK with that, I guess. David Tucker,

National College Of Policing representative, thank you for coming

on. This experience and Alex's experience and the fact people don't

report hate crimes partly because of a lack of faith in the police. How

do you respond? I have been involved in policing around dealing with hate

crime and a whole range of things since 1998, 1999, and I launched an

inquiry report. What we have seen is a significant change in the attitude

of police towards all forms of hate crime including LGBT hate crime. But

not enough. I think that is a fair criticism. We have very strong

training. The college sets the standards and the guidance that we

have a good operational manual for the officers to use. And what we

have seen over the years is an increasing amount of reporting and

the Office for National Statistics say they don't think the amount of

offending has gone up, that the attitude of the police has improved

and the way in which the police are recording incidents has improved,

and there is an increasing confidence among people to come

forward and tell the police about these awful incident. Your eyebrows

raising as he says that! I am part of a charity called Mermaids that

helps trans-young people, and a lot of what they have talked about in

terms of police recording hate incidents as hate incident is not

happening and the police are not very good at recording hate

incidents. Often they are coded as crimes are not specifically hate

crimes. The policy is very clear around that. It comes from the

Stephen Lawrence inquiry report. If anybody says that an incident is

motivated by hate, then it will be recorded in that way. The reason

that policy position was adopted was because there was a fear that police

were trying to cut the statistics. We are very clear that we don't want

that to happen. We want to know what the experiences of people around

crime and what happens when hate incident happened because it is

really important that we support people as best we possibly can. I

know Alex's experience was not that. But we would absolutely encourage

officers to support victims of crime through the criminal justice

process. And then try to divert, signpost people into longer-term

support when they need that. Did you go to the police? Because of my

anxiety and the fact I had had a panic attack, I called my mum, who

called British Transport Police, who were actually really good. Because

of the situation, we ended up meeting them at my local is dating

and talking to them then and reporting everything. -- my local

station. There were very good at recording everything properly and I

got a letter through with the help I could get if I needed extra help,

which was good. It didn't go further because it didn't reach the criminal

threshold. David Tucker, are you saying that it is vital that people

report such incidents so that the police get a much better idea of

what is going on and are actually able to investigate? Exactly the

point. There is almost a vicious circle here. If the police are not

told about things, we can't respond to it. So the problem is that we

have about a lack of understanding and a lack of appreciation of the

full crime picture, continues. We want to hear from people about the

hate crime experiences so we can respond in the right way. Thank you

very much, everybody. Thank you for coming on the programme and we wish

you all the best. It is Prince George's first day at school today.

I know you want to hear more about this there we are about to tell you

more. He is four and he is attending Thomas's Battersea, ?18,000 a year,

and it is in south-west London. His mother was not with him to drop him

off because she has very bad morning sickness because she is pregnant

with her third child. The head of the school, Ben Thomas, has been

speaking this morning about his hopes for Prince George's future. I

hope very much that he will be himself. The whole aim of these

precious years of early education is to give children the confidence in

who they are. We are not trying to mould him into any particular person

and we wouldn't do that with any of our pupils. I hope you will have the

confidence to be himself, with all his quirks and idiosyncrasies and

characteristics, which is what I want for all of our children. In his

first year, talk through a few things that he will experience here.

What sort of things will he get up to? It is an incredibly exciting

time. Up and down the country there are children starting school at this

time. Just on the way here I saw children with their new school shoes

having pictures taken on the doorstep. Children throughout the

country are starting school and we will be trying to do the same for

our pupils as well as those pupils as well. Our royal correspondent

Sarah Campbell as they are now. No doubting that Prince George looks

very cute and because he is the future King of England he needs

cameras there when he first goes to school. A nightmare for him. It is a

rite of passage for every young child but these pictures will be

beamed around the world. The first day of school is a big one. Every

parent will recognise that look, slightly nervous. He did a pretty

good royal handshake. That is ahead of the school. It is Thomas's

Battersea, half an hour from Kensington Palace, so further away

than the school where William and Harry went, just round the corner

from Kensington Palace. ?18,000 a year in school fees. A mixed school,

girls and boys, 560 pupils. We found out today that he will be known to

his classmates as George Cambridge. And Kate is not very well so she is

not there. Fair enough. And that is an indication of how not very well

she is because she would obviously have wanted to be there today. The

third pregnancy was announced on Monday. Kensington Palace announced

that she visibly too unwell to accompany George. We understand in

the future that is regularly as possible William or Catherine will

drop him off as school. Thank you. Just over a year ago,

last June, 52% of the country voted to leave the EU

and many of those who backed Brexit saying they wanted

to take back control. That's going to mean thousands of EU

laws and regulations But with MPs as divided

as the country, it's probably not MPs start debating the EU

Withdrawal Bill later today. Once informally known

as the Great Repeal Bill, the now less grandly titled

European Union Withdrawal Bill faces its first big test

in Parliament today. But what is it and why

does it matter? Well, the idea is to do the biggest

cut and paste job in Parliamentary history, by moving 40 years' worth

of EU law straight into UK law. Then when the UK formally

leaves the EU in 2019, Britain will be able to change those

laws as it sees fit. Sounds straightforward

enough, doesn't it? Well, the bill also includes

controversial powers nicknamed Henry VIII clauses,

after the 16th century king who introduced a Statute

of Proclamations that gave him power to make laws without

Parliament's consent. Critics fear these powers

would allow ministers to change legislation

without the scrutiny of Parliament. As a result, the opposition

Labour Party have vowed They say it grants too much power

to ministers to, quote, "Slash people's rights at work

and reduce protections for consumers The government says it won't use

the powers to make significant changes, and has warned that

if the bill doesn't clear the Commons, it could create a legal

vacuum when the UK leaves Since the last election,

the government has a wafer thin majority, with only just enough MPs

to get new laws passed. But if this bill, or one like it,

isn't passed by the time the UK formally leaves the EU,

Britain could find itself Our political guru Norman Smith

is in Westminster. What will happen today, tomorrow,

Monday? We get the start of an almighty great row that is probably

going to go on for, I'm afraid, months, with endless very technical

difficult arguments, legal spats. It will be a Parliamentary War of

attrition, which I'm afraid will dominate life here for an awfully

long time to come. That said, it does matter, because this bill is

really the sort of gangplank to Brexit. This is how we get out of

the EU, because it repeals the 1972 European Communities Act, which took

us in in the first place. If we don't pass this, we won't be going

anywhere. It matters hugely and because of that it is an almighty

great big beast of the bill and that gives critics of Mrs May's approach

to Brexit all sorts of opportunities to table an amendment saying, we

should stay in the single market, we should stay in the customs union,

MPs must have a vote before a final deal is signed off. In other words

it gives Mrs May's opponents, opponents to Brexit, huge

opportunities to cause trouble and may be to change Mrs May's approach

to Brexit, some say even to potentially derail Brexit. So it

will be bruising, it's going to be acrimonious, there will be late

nights sit ins but it matters big-time because it really good

shape our approach to leaving the EU. Thank you.

Reko Smith is a student who wants the UK to get on with leaving,

Abby King, a European Studies student who thinks we were wrong

to leave, and Linda Burbridge, who voted leave but thinks some

politicians are trying to block brexit.

In our Leeds studio is Mike Ward, who's considering leaving

Seriously, Mike? Yes, it's certainly a possibility. My wife has lived and

worked and paid tax here for 32 years. There is no guarantee she's

going to be able to stay. Where is your wife from? Rishi is from

Germany originally, Berlin. OK. -- she is from Germany, originally,

Berlin. If she is not able to stay or other circumstances... It is a

real possibility and we are considering it. What do you say to

that? The government have been clear, they have said immigrants

from the EU who are already here have the right to remain here. No,

they haven't said that. They are discussing it at the moment but

until they reach an agreement and sign it with the EU, there are no

guarantees for anybody. They have said that. They haven't. My wife

applied for permanent residency and spent many months in a very

laborious procedure trying to get hold of this piece of paper.

Solicitors, lots of money, complaints, letters to the MP and so

on, got it in the end. Week heard a week later after she got this piece

of paper that the government is going to abolish permanent

residency, so everyone who has permanent residency is back to

square one and will have to apply for settlement now. I suppose this

relates to the bill we have just been hearing about. Broadly

speaking, how do you think Brexit is going? There is a lot of uncertainty

around this bill that I've been hearing, but to be honest I support

this bill. If we don't support this bill, we are going nowhere with

Brexit. In terms of what the ministers have been saying, saying

there will be maybe possibly a transitional arrangement or a period

after we leave the EU, Philip Hammond the Chancellor said that and

supported by Liam Fox, I think that also needs to happen if there is

loads of legislation that need to be passed into UK law, transition and

with immigration systems. I feel like the government has taken a hard