03/11/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello.

It's Friday, it's 9

o'clock, I'm Chloe Tilley.

Welcome to the programme.

Labour suspends Luton MP

Kelvin Hopkins as part of the sexual

harassment scandal engulfing

Westminster.

It comes as former Defence

Secretary, Sir Michael Fallon faces

further allegations just two days

after losing his job.

I think it is a very easy line

to draw in parliament

with MPs and staff who work

in parliament, is that if this

behaviour went on in a school,

would that person be disciplined,

would they be fired?

And the answer to lots of things

that have been said is yes.

But for some reason,

we don't have the same rules.

We'll be reflecting on the week's

events with MPs and former

Westminster staff and asking

what need to change.

Also this morning.

A former white supremacist

from Arizona whose black probation

officer helped him turn his back

on years of violent race crime,

tells us why he had to change.

I became more and more

hateful as time grew up,

so by the time I was a teenager

I was very, very active

in the neo-Nazi lifestyle.

We'll have the full story after 10.

New medicines and treatments

for some serious conditions could be

fast-tracked in England -

we'll find out which patients

are likely to benefit.

Welcome to the programme.

We're live until 11 this morning.

Do get in touch if you're hoping

to benefit from a drug

treatment which is not yet

available in England.

We're also talking about taking

revenge on your boss

when you leave a job you hate.

This after Donald Trump's Twitter

account was switched off

by an employee on their last day.

What have you done on your last day

at work to get your own back on your

boss?

It's sparked lots of great memes

and gifs on social media.

We'll show you some

of them a bit later.

Do get in touch on all the stories

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Our top story today.

A Labour MP has been suspended

by the party after an activist

accused him of sexual harassment.

Kelvin Hopkins, who is 76 and has

been MP for Luton North for 20

years, has had the whip withdrawn

while the party

investigates the incident.

27-year-old Ava Etemadzadeh

says she complained

to officials at the time

of the alleged incident two years

ago, but Mr Hopkins was later

promoted to the Labour frontbench.

Meanwhile, more allegations have

emerged about Sir Michael Fallon,

who resigned as Defence Secretary

this week saying his behaviour "fell

short" of standards.

He is accused in newspaper reports

of making inappropriate sexual

comments to his Cabinet colleague

Andrea Leadsom.

Sir Michael says he "categorically

denies" the allegations.

Let's speak to our

political correspondent

Iain Watson in Westminster.

So, tell us first of all about these

allegations which have an Hopkins is

facing.

I think it is a story not

just about the allegations but how

the allegations against him have

been handled. It has been alleged by

the young Labour activist that after

meeting at the University of Essex

back in 2013, Kelvin Hopkins hugged

her too tightly and intimately for

her liking for that she met him

subsequently in the House of Commons

and then received a suggestive text

message. The crucial thing about

this, a couple of years ago in 2015,

she took her concerns to the then

Chief Whip of the Labour Party,

Rosie Winterton full it was

discussed and was told if she wanted

to make an official complaint, she

would have to waive her anonymity

but was not prepared to do so. We

understand that Kelvin Hopkins was

reprimanded for his behaviour. When

Jeremy Corbyn was getting into

difficulty filling his front bench

because so many MPs voted for no

confidence last year, he temporarily

promoted Kelvin Hopkins to be

Culture Secretary in the Shadow

Cabinet. That upset not just the

activist others in the Labour Party

he knew he had been reprimanded for

his behaviour and have been asking

today why he promoted. I have run

him at home and on his mobile. So

far he has not commented on this but

he has been suspended from the

Parliamentary Labour Party and is

being investigated.

Let's also talk

about the new allegations which are

being put against Sir Michael

Fallon, the former Defence

Secretary.

This is a rather tricky

story. Michael Fallon has already

resigned. The allegation effectively

is he made rather lewd suggestions

to the Leader of the House of

Commons, Andrea Leadsom, some years

ago. But he categorically denies

doing so. Andrea Leadsom will not

comment on it. This is a bit of a

multifaceted story. A real-life

House Of Cards. It was alleged that

Andrea Leadsom use those complaints

to try to oust Michael Fallon from

his role as Defence Secretary,

clearing the way for Gavin

Williamson for that she is not

commenting on those allegations and

suggestions in some of the

newspapers.

Thank you for updating

us on that.

Let's go to the BBC

Newsroom for a summary

of the rest of the day's news.

Good morning.

Plans to speed up the time it takes

for new, life-changing medicines

to reach patients have been

announced by the Government.

The move follows pressure

by the pharmaceutical industry

and medical charities which say that

patients are losing out.

It could mean certain drugs will be

available up to four years earlier

than they are currently.

Our Health Editor Hugh Pym reports.

Medical research is producing

exciting new drugs and treatments

but there have been complaints

that it takes too long for them

to be approved for use by the NHS.

The Government says it wants

to streamline the process in England

so that new drugs for diseases

like cancer and devices to help

manage conditions like diabetes

can be made available

to patients more rapidly.

Under what is called

the Accelerated Access Pathway,

the approval process will be cut

from as much as seven

years, to three.

In April next year, five new drugs

and treatments will be selected

for fast track treatment.

This number could be

increased annually in future.

At the moment there at various

stages that any product,

whether it's a drug or a device,

whatever it is, has to go

through in terms of regulatory

approval or cost effectiveness

and so on, commercial

negotiations with the NHS.

The idea is to bring them

all together to run in parallel

which will make the process operate

much more quickly so that those

things that really do have life

changing impacts on people can be

brought forward sooner.

One charity said it hoped the scheme

would go some way to ending

bureaucratic delays and speeding up

access to new drugs.

The Association of the British

Pharmaceutical Industry said

the Government's policy was very

welcome and should benefit

thousands of patients,

but no extra NHS money

is being committed at this stage

to spend on medicines -

that could hinge on what's decided

on the budget.

Hugh Pym, BBC News.

There will be more on that story

later in the programme when Chloe

speaks to patients and doctors about

how the move affects them.

The Syrian army has retaken one

of the the last major strongholds

of so-called Islamic State,

according to state television.

The city of Deir al-Zour,

near the border with Iraq,

has been "completely liberated

from terrorism"

according to the report.

The IS group had held most

of the city since 2014.

The militant group is now confined

to a few remaining pockets

elsewhere in the province.

Eight former Catalan government

ministers have spent a night behind

bars after a Spanish judge refused

to grant them bail.

They've been charged with rebellion,

sedition and misuse of public funds

in connection with the attempt

to make Catalonia

independent from Spain.

Tens of thousands of Catalans staged

a protest against their detention.

A warning for you -

this report from our reporter

Tom Burridge contains flashing

images from the start.

In the police vans are eight men

and women who a week ago ran

Catalonia's government.

Now, taken to a prison in Madrid.

They face serious charges, including

rebellion against the Spanish state.

A judge denied them bail.

As the news filtered through,

their supporters gathered

outside the regional

parliament in Barcelona.

Angry...

..And in shock.

The government they elected,

now behind bars.

Can you believe it,

in a democratic country,

that these things happen, again?

We don't understand.

We are very, very sad, deeply sad,

deeply sad, and terrified.

Madrid argues it has no influence

over today's decision

taken in the courts,

but these activists and people

across Catalonia sympathetic

to the pro-independence cause say

that claim is absurd.

Many people across Spain and here

in Catalonia are also outraged,

but at Catalonia's pro-independence

politicians who have

pushed things so far.

Roquelle tells us they have

flouted Spain's laws.

She is worried and says

she might move abroad.

So a new chapter to this Catalan

crisis and everyday,

under the surface here,

divisions more entrenched.

Tom Burridge, BBC

News, in Barcelona.

BBC News has learned

that the International

Development Secretary,

Priti Patel, held a series

of meetings in Israel to discuss

government business without telling

the Foreign Office.

The meetings took place over two

days in August while

Ms Patel was on holiday in Israel.

No civil servants were present

but she was accompanied by a leading

pro-Israeli Conservative lobbyist.

Downing Street has said that

Ms Patel did nothing wrong.

Bacteria in the depths of the Digest

of system could help chew Ms shrink

during cancer therapy. Two studies

by French and US teams linked

specific species of gut bacteria to

the successful treatment of cancer

patients. The findings may be game

changing.

It's emerged that the ashes

of the Moors Murderer Ian Brady have

been buried at sea after his body

was cremated last week.

He died in May at the age of 79,

at Ashworth High Security

Hospital in Merseyside.

Court documents show

that the cremation took place

in Southport without any ceremony.

Sean Dilley has more.

Five decades on from crimes that

shocked the country, Ian Brady's

body has been unceremoniously

buried at sea.

There was no music and

flowers were not allowed.

These were the conditions

set by the High Court,

which stepped in over

fears his remains would be scattered

on Saddleworth Moor.

It was here that Brady and Myra

Hindley buried the victims they

tortured and killed.

Brady was sent to prison in 1966

for murdering 12-year-old John

Kilbride, 10-year-old Lesley Ann

Downey and 17-year-old Edward Evans.

In 1985, he also admitted killing

16-year-old Pauline Reade

and 12-year-old Keith Bennett,

whose body

has never been found.

He died of natural causes

in May of this year.

In the early hours of Wednesday 26th

October, Ian Brady's remains

were sealed in a weighted urn

and sent to the bottom of the sea.

The NHS is failing thousands of

children because it is taking too

long to diagnose ADHD. That is

according to a new report. It

attacks one child in every class on

average in the UK that nearly a

third of children wait two or more

years to be diagnosed. The

Department of Health said it updated

guidance the doctors last year to

make it easier to spot the

condition. There was a shock for

Twitter users overnight when one of

the social media platforms most

prominent and controversial users

had his cant deactivated. --

account. President Trump's account

was deactivated. The social media

giant says it is taking steps to

ensure it never happens again. That

is a summary of the latest BBC News.

Do get in touch with us

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Use the hashtag #Victorialive

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Now let's get some sport and talk

about Patrice Evra, a former

Manchester United player making the

headlines today but not for

footballing reasons. An

extraordinary incident that happened

before Marseille Europa League

match. So if you remember in 1995,

Eric Cantona comfy kicked a fan in

one British football for the most

outrageous moments. Now another

former Manchester United player,

Patrice Evra, seems to have done

something very similar, only this

time to his own fans. Marseille

supporters were unhappy. There it

was. With Patrice Evra's recent

performances, they had cheered him

for around half an hour. He jumped

the advertising hoardings and things

escalated for could now be facing a

ban. He was a substitute in that

match but was sent off before

kick-off. We'll hear more from Uefa

on that. The manager said, Patrice

Evra must learn to keep his cool. Is

David Unsworth keeping his cool at

Everton? Hard for him not to panic.

They were beaten 3-0 in Lyon last

night to go out of the Ropiha

league. Three of those games have

come under caretaker manager

Unsworth. -- the Europa League. He

now says the Premier match with

Watford on Sunday will be crucial

for him and the club. Arsenal are

through to the last 32 thanks to a

goalless draw against red Star

Belgrade. You see on a Friday

morning we are talking about Jose

Mourinho's, in. He will be speaking

to the media. He did that early

yesterday and has moved training to

the afternoon because he is

appearing in a Spanish court today

to face tax fraud allegations

relating to his time as manager of

the Spanish giants, rayal Madrid. It

is alleged to owe almost formally in

dollars in undeclared image rights

revenue. He denies any wrongdoing.

The allegations against him come

after investigations into several

leading footballers in Spain,

including Lionel Messi and Cristiano

Ronaldo. Joe Root has been talking

about how players should behave

between games. England's 's tour

match begins in the early hours of

tomorrow morning in Perth. It has

been a tumultuous time for England.

Ben Stokes was arrested in September

outside Bristol nightclub. Questions

have abounded regarding the conduct

of the team. They know there have

been issues between the two groups

of players in the past. One even

involve Joe Root. This time he is

warning against being too

restrictive about the players can

do.

It's safe to say that what

happened in the summer was not

acceptable. We got to make sure we

do not go too far the other way and

sit in our ruins and not experience

being in Australia. It's not about

going out and getting drunk, it's

about making sure we're in the best

possible place to win Ashes cricket

and an Ashes tour.

Hopefully flies

will be the only thing bothering him

in the coming weeks!

As every day goes by,

the swirl of allegations

about sexual abuse and harassment

in Westminster looks set to dwarf

the expenses scandal of ten years

ago when parliament was told

to clean up its act after abuses

involving claims for duck houses,

moats and second homes were revealed

to a furious public.

This morning Labour is facing

new claims of sexual harassment

and has suspended the MP

for Luton North, Kelvin Hopkins,

while it carries out

an investigation.

Meanwhile the former defence

secretary Sir Michael Fallon has

been forced to "categorically deny"

reports that he made inappropriate

sexual comments to Commons

leader Andrea Leadsom,

when they served on a Commons

committee together.

Sir Michael quit his post

at the MOD on Wednesday,

saying his conduct had fallen short

of the required standards.

Some Conservative MPs have also

questioned Theresa May's choice

of the former chief whip

Gavin Williamson as the new Defence

Secretary, saying he lacked

experience and had manoeuvred

himself into the job.

Mrs May is hold a meeting on Monday

with the leaders of the main

political parties in Westminster

to draw up plans for tackling sexual

abuse and harassment in Parliament.

Ellie King is a Conservative

party member.

Resham Kotecha worked in Westminster

for a Conservative MP and peer.

We were hoping to speak to a former

Labour Party MP but she has just

pulled out in the last few minutes

but we will be talking to a labour

representative after 10am. First of

all, let's talk about the

allegations against Kelvin Hopkins.

What's your reactions to it and the

week that we've had?

I think that

it's really important that parties

come all parties take this issue

seriously and I'm really pleased to

see that parties are reacting

quickly. We have to be careful to

not jump to quickly and have a knee

jerk reaction on things that are

speculation, like the spreadsheet

we've seen, but in cases where there

have been allegations which are

serious, it's right that we withdraw

the whip regardless of the party and

make sure the people who are

affected feel safe and know their

concerns will be taken seriously.

It's interesting you say react

quickly, certainly the woman who's

made these allegations claimed that

she made the complaint two years

ago, Ian Watson told us earlier that

the BBC has been told that he was

reprimanded. So why has it taken two

years and why was he then promoted

to the Labour front bench is? Are

the political parties reacting

quickly in your view?

Think they are

reacting now it's starting to come

out, obviously no one monster kick

up a fuss but we do need to kick up

a fuss and we need to react quickly

and look at it on a case-by-case

basis and see what the allegations

have been made and take the

appropriate action.

Do you both,

having worked in Westminster, do you

expect there will be more of these

allegations coming out over the

coming days and weeks?

It's hard to

think that there will not. If you've

been affected by these sorts of

things, I had an amazing three years

where I didn't, but if you have been

affected, sometimes there's strength

in numbers, you feel like people are

finally taking it seriously, light

is being shed on it and do feel

comfortable and safe to come out so

I we will. So this is why we need an

entire shift in the way things are

treated and dealt with in

Parliament. We need an independent

service that people can go to so it

should not be up to an individual

party did deal with these sorts of

allegations, say you have been

slapped on the wrist and that enough

because that might not be enough,

depending on the circumstances. If

we have an independent service, if

MPs have to sign up to a

contractually binding contract about

their behaviour and they have

training of what's acceptable, you

would see these situations dealt

with quickly which they are not at

the moment.

Do MPs really need to be

trained on what appropriate and

inappropriate?

I think they do, I'm

a student and one of the things we

talk about all the time is consent

and we have actual consent workshops

and campaigns running through. It

doesn't sound ridiculous, I know

what content is, you would say, --

it does sound ridiculous, some

people say, I know what consent is

but it's that the lines are blurred

to...

You can understand that in the

university where young people are

pushing boundaries but we're talking

about elected individuals who are

grown-ups.

There two different

things here. The first is that some

MPs have been MPs for 30 years,

they're much older, though not of a

generation where they realise this

is unacceptable and I think it's

valid to say that they need training

on it but if you have spent 30 years

in a bubble and when you were

elected it was okayed to smack your

secretary on the bottom...

Was it?

It should not have been but the

mindset was it was, I think it's a

borrowed and appalling but if you've

grown up with that and you've never

been told off for doing it, we

should cover all bases and make it

very clear. A lot of MPs, when they

walk into the room, they are swamped

by people wanting to talk to them,

have photos with them, and I think

it's very easy to lose touch with

reality. More we can do to make it

clear that this is not OK and this

is where the lines are, the safer

employees will be.

What were your

experiences working... I know,

Ellie, less so for you, but you work

in Westminster for a Conservative MP

and a baroness, you say you did not

have any bad experiences yourself,

but did colleagues or other women,

did you see anything? Give us a

sense of what it's like to work in

Westminster.

I was fortunate in my

three years because a lot of the

people I worked with were in

organisations to get women into

Parliament so they were very

progressive and impeccably behaved.

But we would have groups of

researchers who said, you are

meeting so and so, don't sit on the

same side of the table for them.

That was just a problem for men and

women.

Because they will grope you?

You know, hand on me, those

uncomfortable boundaries where you

think, can I slapped that hand away

and I would have that some people do

not feel comfortable doing it. I

never experienced it but we heard of

a few, a handful, a small handful of

MPs who are tarnishing the MP

reputation. Most do not do that but

there are a few where you did not

want to be alone with them in a room

but you didn't want to be with them

when they were drunk outside in a

bar.

Let's talk about drinking in

Westminster because that's something

that has been erased. Do you get a

sense that it's surrounded by drink

and fuelled by drink? This is

something that has been raised.

I'm

not part of the Westminster

bubble...

You have been to

conference.

Yes, and it is a part of

it but in a way it can be good

because it makes it more relaxed and

informal. You're able to go and talk

to MPs who you were not able to talk

to before because you have seen them

in a bar and you've seen them in an

informal way. But there might be

pressure and you could feel like you

didn't not want to be involved in

that. It's okayed to be there

because it creates an informal

atmosphere but there are boundaries

of, is this OK? You could feel

pressured to do something you don't

want to.

In addition to that, this

is not just a problem in politics,

what I've seen on social media,

spoken to friends in other

industries, this is a problem in

lots of industries. I think our

parliamentarians should be leading

by example. I think the problem with

the drinking is that if you are the

kind of MP who would not cross

boundaries when sober, you won't do

it when you're drunk. If you think

it's acceptable to do so, you are

more likely to do it when you are

drunk.

Do you think there is an

unhealthy drinking culture within

Westminster?

I think some people

have an unhealthy relationship with

alcohol and I think that's partly

the very long hours, a highly

pressurised environment and a lot of

times you're going to spend your

evenings and weekends at fundraising

dinners, speaking engagements and

all of these things are surrounded

by alcohol. I think it's easy if you

lack self-control with alcohol to

find that you can drink all leaving

every evening but equally, most

people have a healthy relationship

with alcohol and don't find it a

problem. It depends who you are.

What would be your advice to other

young women who want to work at

Westminster or even just within the

workplace, how to deal with this

kind of uncomfortable... The fact

that some MPs could be a bit handsy,

what would your advice be?

I think

there are two answers, it depends

what you are, I would be a strong

willed person and if someone did

that I would be, back off, mate, I

don't want this. But some people

might not feel so comfortable so

there does need to be something more

Independent that you can go to and

say, I want to report this and I

want it to be taken seriously. But I

don't really know about what he

would say to young women because it

can be off-putting to feel...

And

intimidating to feel that this is

someone in a position of power who

could help you move on in your job,

it's quite a responsibility to say,

don't do that.

Will that mean that

that could jeopardise what your

career is, and is there a sense that

if I want to succeed in politics,

I've got to put up with this? That's

where the conversation needs to be

had. The allegations are coming out

and it will be taken seriously and

people will step back and think

about it and hopefully the cultural

change.

I would add to that, it's

important to recognise that we would

be comfortable smacking someone's

hand away, but some might not. There

are a lot of men and women working

in Parliament, staff and MPs who

will back you up so if you have a

problem, speak to another MP that

you feel comfortable with and I

would also say, you don't need to

question whether it's inappropriate

or not, if it makes you feel

uncomfortable, it needs to stop. For

too long people have spend time

worrying, is it that big a deal if

someone keeps hugging me when they

meet me or keep putting their hand

on my leg to get my attention? What

I would say to young people is, if

it makes you feel uncomfortable, it

absolutely is. This is why I think

we need an independent service.

Sometimes it's intimidating to

complain to whip or an empty because

they could be friends with the MP

who is making feel uncomfortable

whereas if there was an interparty

cross-party service, you can feel

safe in the knowledge that it's not

scary and impacting your potential

career and it can be dealt with.

Lots of people getting in touch with

us, Joshua has said, sexual

harassment in a workplace had never

been OK, not 30 years ago or now.

Arthur says, consent workshops, is

this really what it has come to? MPs

do not know what's wrong, workshop

will not be able to teach them. And

Paula says, if an MP breaks the law,

should be reported to the police

irrespective of the offence. Thank

you for coming in. We will be

speaking to an MP, Labour MP after

10am on this issue.

The Syrian army has retaken

the city of Deir al-Zour

in the east of the country,

the last major stronghold of

so-called Islamic State in Syria.

IS has held most of the city

which is close to the Iraq

border since 2014 but now state

television are reporting that

"The city is completely

liberated from terrorism."

Let's talk to our correspondent

Martin Patience, who

is in Beirut for us.

Bring us up to date on, complete

control of Deir al-Zour?

That's what

state Syrian TV is reported,

although we have had some rogue

reports that there are still pockets

of resistance in the city. To all

intents and purposes, Deir al-Zour

is under the control of Syrian

forces. This is a significant

moment. If we go back three years

ago, the so-called Islamic State

controlled large part of Syria and

Iraq in what was seen, and what has

been seen in the last two years is

then seeing a rollback in Iraq, and

are now in Deir al-Zour. It's close

to oilfields, Deir al-Zour, so it's

significant, and close to the Iraqi

border. The big question is now what

will be what happens to so-called

Islamic State. Then they no longer

have a caliphate and they no longer

controlled towns and cities but

there are still estimated to be

thousands of fighters believed to be

in border areas in Iraq and Syria.

Let's not forget, the group still

has an appeal and that inspired

attacks in Europe and America. So

the so-called Islamic State, the

self-styled caliphate could be over

but the ideology is not.

Thank you.

Still to come.

Cutting the time patients

have to wait for some

of the newest medicines.

We will hear from two people with

serious medical conditions who hope

they can be helped by this.

And young footballers,

being frozen out of football

academies by huge fees being placed

on their heads.

We will hear from when young player

and his dad. -- one young player.

Time for the latest news.

Our top story today...

A Labour MP has been suspended

by the party after an activist

accused him of sexual harassment.

Kelvin Hopkins, MP for Luton North,

has had the whip withdrawn

while the party investigates.

27-year-old Ava Etemadzadeh

says she complained

to officials two years ago

but Mr Hopkins was later promoted

to the Labour frontbench.

Meanwhile, more allegations have

emerged about Sir Michael Fallon,

who resigned as Defence Secretary

this week.

He is accused in newspaper reports

of making inappropriate sexual

comments to his Cabinet colleague

Andrea Leadsom.

Sir Michael says he "categorically

denies" the allegations.

Plans to speed up the time it takes

for new, life-changing medicines

to reach patients have been

announced by the Government.

The move follows pressure

by the pharmaceutical industry

and medical charities which say that

patients are losing out.

It could mean certain drugs will be

available up to four years earlier

than they are at the moment.

Eight former Catalan government

ministers have spent a night behind

bars after a Spanish judge refused

to grant them bail.

They've been charged with rebellion,

sedition and misuse of public funds

in connection with the attempt

to make Catalonia

independent from Spain.

Eight former Catalan government

ministers have spent a night behind

Tens of thousands of Catalan stage

protests. It was claimed they may

destroy evidence if released. A

European arrest warrant has been

requested for the former leader of

Catalan.

BBC News has learned

that the International

Development Secretary,

Priti Patel, held a series

of meetings in Israel to discuss

government business without telling

the Foreign Office.

The meetings took place over two

days in August while Ms Patel

was on holiday in Israel.

No civil servants were present

but she was accompanied by a leading

pro-Israeli Conservative lobbyist.

Downing Street has said that

Ms Patel did nothing wrong.

It's emerged that the ashes

of the Moors murderer Ian Brady

were buried at sea in the middle

of the night after he was

cremated last week.

Brady died in May at the age of 79,

at Ashworth High Security

Hospital in Merseyside.

Court documents show

that the cremation took place

in Southport without any ceremony.

His body had been kept in a hospital

mortuary since his death. Brady and

his accomplice Myra Hindley tortured

and killed children in the 1960s.

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

Here's some sport now

with Hugh Woozencroft.

In sport this morning, Patrice Evra,

the former Manchester United

defender, could be in trouble with

Uefa after appearing to aim a kick

out of supporter of his current

team, Marseille at last night that

he was sent off before the match was

not Marseille has said it will

conduct an internal investigation.

Everton have now lost five matches

in a row for the first time in five

years. Arsenal made it through after

a draw against red Star Belgrade was

a Jose Mourinho is appearing in a

Spanish court this morning, facing

tax fraud allegations relating to

his time as manager of Real Madrid.

It is claimed he owes £3.5 million

but denies any wrongdoing. Ahead of

their first tour match in Australia

tomorrow, England cricket captain

Joe Root says it is important to get

the balance right for the players as

to what they can do off the field

between games. There had been

criticism about the player's on diet

after Alex Hales and Ben Stokes had

a night out in September.

If you suffer from a serious illness

or chronic health condition,

then of course, you're going to want

access to the very best

drugs on the market.

It's devastating to be told

treatments might take years to be

approved for NHS use.

Well now the Government

is to cut the time patients

have to wait for certain

new medicines in England.

From April next year,

the approvals process could be cut

by up to four years for products

with the greatest

potential to change lives.

It's expected that around five

new treatments will be selected

by a panel of experts

for fast-tracking each year.

Let's speak to Professor

Richard Barker who advised

on the Accelerated Access Review.

And Dr Richard Torbett,

the executive director

of the Association of

the British Pharmaceutical Industry,

about the impact these new medicines

will have on patients

And the people this affects.

Andrew McCracken is expected to be

blind by his late 30s but hopes

the Accelerated Access

Scheme may help him.

And Lynsey Beswick

has Cystic Fibrosis.

The drug she needs, Orkambi,

was licensed in the UK two years ago

but is not available on the NHS.

Thank you all for joining us. First

of all, tell us about the drug you

would like to get hold of and what

difference it would make to you?

My

eyesight condition affects my

central vision. I cannot see your

face, for instance. I know you are

there cannot see your face. Mine is

degenerative or overtime will get

worse. There is a point of time

where I would expect to be blind.

The current treatments they are

trialling focus on stopping the

degradation. The idea it would take

seven years for it to take from

being OK means I could have lost my

eyesight in that time. The idea of

this could be completely sped up is

a lot of hope to me.

Probably

Lindsay as well. Let's hear from

her. Tell us about the drug you

would like to access, the difference

in make to your life.

The drug is a

precision medicine rather than

treating the symptoms, the current

treatment for cystic fibrosis, it

would treat the underlying cause. I

have seen in the past year, to

years, quite a decline in lung

function. Had I have had access to

this drug when it was licensed, two

years ago, it could have prevented

that decline. I am at a point where

I am looking at the end of stage of

my condition and possibly a double

lung transplant. Having access to a

drug like this could prevent me from

deteriorating with my health.

Do you

get angry that you know the drug is

out there that could help you that

you cannot get hold of it?

It is

incredibly frustrating. It is like a

carrot that has been dangled. It

feels as though the drug is there

and is available. I had to sit and

watch my health deteriorate knowing

medicine is out there which could

potentially have been able to stop

the decline but I have no access to

it.

Why is it these drugs are not

available on the NHS?

We have a

complicated pass the parcel process.

Data is presented to the regulatory

authorities and then it moves to the

next stage. Nice will make its

evaluations, sometimes in two all

three stages. The NHS decides

whether it will pay for it. This

pass the parcel can take five, seven

years even once the data is

available that the drug works this

is about collapsing the process and

having many of the discussion

simultaneously. No reason why that

should not take place. The new

pathway, accelerated access path

brings together the people who have

to have that composition as early as

possible.

Who decides which of these

drugs, there will be five year that

will be fast tracked, which some

people say does not sound many, who

will decide that?

The partnership

itself, which will be chaired by Sir

Andrew witty, will have all of the

people around the table, including

patients and representatives and

Nice. I suspect what will happen is

a small number will come forward who

satisfy a set of criteria and they

will decide which five. I am sure

everybody would hope if the

experience with this is successful

we might go to expand the number

over time.

This is ultimately going

to make drugs cheaper, as I

understand it. Some money will be

given to the pharmaceutical industry

to speed up the process and in

return, you sell them back to the

NHS cheaper.

We hope these measures

will result in many benefits,

including costs to the NHS. These

stories are perfect examples of

where, when a medicine is available,

it is incredibly frustrating for

everyone, including the

pharmaceutical companies that

patients cannot get access. Many

conditions are untreatable. When we

really produce something it have to

get to patients as soon as possible.

It is a step in the right direction.

Cost is always an issue for the NHS.

You mention that Nice has to make

the decision about benefit over

cost. Presumably the pharmaceutical

industry could be doing more about

ensuring the cost comes down.

That

is right. Cost is an important

factor. It is important that

pharmaceutical companies price

responsibly. Nice is there to check

whether prices that are charged are

reasonable value. This announcement

from the Government is about making

sure that dialogue

between the company and the NHS

Athens as quickly as possible. The

price has to be right but a

realistic amount of investment has

to be made available in order to

make this vision work.

Do you feel

heartened by this? It is only five

drugs or treatments that would be

made available each year, how

frustrating would it be if your drug

when number six or Number 10?

I am

hoping if this is made available for

a small number of drugs they will

think, hopefully, this can be made

available for more drugs. Hopefully

it can be rolled out to other drugs

and treatment.

What about you?

I

think it is important that the

Government is looking at this and

anything which can speed up access,

people like me, to access these life

changing drugs, is a positive step

in the right direction.

Do you

think, Professor Barker, the

pharmaceutical industry should be

doing more to make sure the cost

comes down for drugs?

Would it help

the process? The prices in the UK

arm among the lowest in Europe. What

I think the problem is that the real

discussions about prices are

protracted discussions. Part of the

proposals here are to have the

discussions, as Richard was saying,

much more rapidly, so we get to a

good answer and do not take two or

three years to do so.

What could the pharmaceutical

industry be doing? People at home

will be sitting and saying, we often

read in the media that

pharmaceutical companies keep the

cost of drugs artificially high.

They do research but there is no

need for it to be so high. Surely

there are things you could be doing

to help people.

The pharmaceutical

industry does not keep the costs

artificially high. There is a very

rigorous process for checking that

prices are reasonable in the UK

through Nice. The vast majority of

time medicines are available but it

takes a long time to make a decision

on that. That is why the accelerated

access review will speed things up

and that is a good thing.

I wonder

if you have any questions for our

guests. You are at the heart of

this, the people whose lives are

affected on a day-to-day basis.

Less

a question and more of a plea. If a

small number of drugs are to be made

available, let's make sure they are

drugs that matter to people and

you're going to speak to patients

and patient groups to find out what

really matters and what will have

the most impact.

Will that happen?

Do we know how they will go about

the research process?

I'm sure they

will have to develop some objective

criteria. That is the only way the

process can work. People

representing patients will be in

that discussion. That is a big step

forward, I think. Typically we have

left the patient out of it or late

in the process. Patient

representatives will be part of the

discussion. What benefits do they

value? They may not be the benefits

that companies or college is --

clinicians want to measure. Does

this look like an innovation that is

not just drugs?

Do you feel you are

listening to have someone with

cystic fibrosis. You know you're

drug is out there and has been

available for two years but you

cannot access it. Do you feel like

you are listened to?

Not

particularly, no. This drug has been

found to be effective and found to

reduce lung function declined by

42%, reduce hospital admissions by

61%. So, the evidence is there. Our

whole community, we have had a

campaign around this, to say this

drug is really important. For

somebody to start this drug at a

very young age could give them a

nearly normal life expectancy.

Currently, many with cystic fibrosis

do not make it to the 31st birthday.

This is huge and significant and we

do not have access to it. I think

the access review and the pathway

are really important in trying to

ensure if we have these drugs

available, they are licensed and we

as patients can have access to them.

Thank you for putting so eloquently

and thank for joining us.

Tuesday's truck attack in New York

killed eight people. The Islamic

State group said it planned the

attack where the suspects allegedly

drove along a Manhattan sidewalk

path to cause maximum devastation.

It's now emerged that he was an Uber

driver and this British tourist road

with him a week before the attack.

Lots of you have been getting in

touch with us about the conversation

we had early on about harassment in

Westminster. John e-mailed said, why

is there even a bar in Parliament in

a first-place? Normal workplaces do

not have bars and you are not

allowed to drink, the bar should be

close. Claire has treated, P. Saying

it was acceptable ten years ago? --

will people stop saying it was

acceptable ten years ago, it wasn't?

And this one says, I have been

assaulted three times and it has

just been swept under the carpet at

work.

Parents are claiming children

are being frozen out of the football

academy system because of huge fees

placed over their heads

by controversial youth

development rules.

A 5Live investigation has

found in some cases,

youth players aren't able to sign

for another team without

the new club handing

over tens of thousands

of pounds in compensation.

We can now speak to Adrian Goldberg

from 5Live Investigates.

Explain to us first of all what a

investigation found about the

agreements. Put in place of a child

signed up to a club?

You have got a

talented young footballer who could

sign up to an Academy, the youth

system, the problem comes when

something goes wrong. If the club

that you have signed up for does not

want to release you or if they

decide that they want to hold onto

your registration, you are free to

move to another club but the catch

is that other club house to pay this

compensation, effectively a transfer

fee for a child. So someone you are

talking to in a moment,, they are

going from one club to another, but

Derby County says that a lot of

money is going to have to be paid. I

spoke to another father of a

nine-year-old child who had been

training with his local football

club Academy, a well-known Premier

League club, his father decided that

the lad was and get the freedom he

wanted to express himself and the

coaching wasn't all it was cracked

up to be, the club have agreed to

let him leave but they still retain

his registration so if he wants to

sign up for another club and father

his football career at the age of

the year -- further his football

career at the age of nine, he had a

£3000 price on his head and that is

making parents angry.

What are the

compensation fees for and when were

they brought in?

The football league

clubs agreed with the Premier League

in 2011 that there needed to be a

change in the system. Previously if

you are signed to an Academy youth

scheme, another club could come in

and sign new and effectively poach

you and a fee would be decided by a

tribunal. That left some clubs

feeling rather disgruntled that they

were not getting sufficient back for

the time and money they had spent on

coaches and facilities and the

investment they put in to young

players. Agreements across

professional football were brought

into being in 2011 and from then on,

depending on the quality of the

Academy and the age of the player,

there would be a fixed compensation

scheme so everybody would understand

what was going on and that was in

order to protect the investment of

the clubs in the young players. The

question is whether that system of

compensation is really fair on the

young people, the children at the

heart of this story.

You mentioned

the case of Zack who we will be

speaking to in the next few minutes,

tell us what the response was from

his club, Derby County, and the

football league.

Derby County said

it would be inappropriate to comment

about an under 18-year-old, and they

say they take great pride in their

pastoral care at a football club and

they retain their rights to

compensation and a deal which has

been agreed across the game. The

English football league says

competition structure was agreed

across football as a whole, they say

90% of young players who moved to

not attract fee. They say they are

protecting the rights of players and

clubs.

We can now speak to

15-year-old Zac Brunt.

He's registered to Derby County

Academy which is asking

for a £120,000 compensation fee

to allow him to sign

to another club.

He's joined by his

father Glen Brunt.

First of all, you have clearly got a

huge talent, what age where you when

it was spotted?

It was necessary.

Really?

Yeah, I used to watch my

brother play football and that's

where it started. And then in

nursery, my teacher rang up my

parents and said, he's better than

people I've seen before so maybe you

should look into it.

How old were

you when you got signed for a youth

academy?

I was nine, I was training

with Sheffield United from age five

to nine, and then I signed at nine

at Aston Villa.

So you have been to

several different clubs, you are at

Derby Co, that is where you are now,

you are unhappy and you want to

leave?

I want to leave because I

don't think the training is pushing

me enough. Or as much as it should

be. We spend more and more time in

the gym instead of out in the pitch.

I felt like I wasn't getting

anywhere. And also, we had a bit of

a problem with foot cell...

Explained that for me?

It's an

indoor five a side with the ball

that doesn't bounce, it's very

tactical and its four technical

players, I play that at a national

level and they did not want me to do

that, they did not want me to pursue

that sport which we were

disappointed by because we thought

it improved my football game as

well. I felt like we were not

getting anywhere at Derby.

At what

point, Glenn, did you realise that

there was this clause, £120,000, for

Zack to go?

I have to be fair, I

knew what we were entering into from

the get go. But that's only because

I got information from other parents

with older children in the system.

Presumably you had a contract?

Yes,

yes. But he signed three contracts

over his time and none of the club's

point out the situation if you want

to leave and they wants to retain

you. So the compensation

conversation never takes place. We

were informed by other people but I

know the majority of parents are not

aware of it.

You know why it's so

high? It's not normally so high,

it's normally 40,000 for a player of

his age.

When it reaches Zack's...

My wife knows this better than me!

It equates to £40,000 per year that

he's been at Derby, there's a bit of

a discrepancy over whether its 80 or

120 because he has been there for

two years, so that's 80,000, a third

year that we agreed to enter into

that we have pulled out of. So we

are not sure whether its 8120.

There

are other clubs interested in you

right now?

Yes, there have been, but

the sea is getting in the way

because it's so big. -- the fee.

Clubs do not want to pay 120,000 for

a 16-year-old so it's fair enough.

How long does this last, how long

with this price tag effectively be

on your head?

As we understand it,

there's no real cut-off.

You can't

be 24 and still have to pay it.

They

hold your registration, as soon as

you signed up certain contracts that

they do not tell you about, they

hold your registration until someone

buys you out.

Can you understand, if

a club has found you, a huge talent

spotted at nursery, they invest

coaching facilities and support you,

they have to have some money because

if Manchester United come along and

make you and you go along to be the

next Ronaldo, there's no incentive

for smaller clubs to have and

academy.

I agree with that, that

should be put in place and I agree

to an extent but because I've only

been at Derby for two years, and

what they've done for me, it

identified it equates to £120,000.

Being 15, -- I don't think it

equates to £120,000. For 15 years

old, and two years, have I cost them

£120,000? Probably not.

It is worth

reiterating what Derby County have

said, they say it's inappropriate to

comment on the development of a

player below the age of 18, as a

category one Academy, our entire

operation is regularly assessed and

we are classified in the highest

echelons in country. Rules for any

player who has left the Academy and

will follow the regulations created

and agreed by the entire football

community. Do you worry about the

impact that talking will have on

your career?

Yes, I think this could

be the end of my career. If the club

does not want to pay £120,000 for

me, we have a real problem because I

can't go anywhere else rather than

semiprofessional and that is the

highest I can go until a

professional team buys me out of the

schools. So if they don't, I'm

stuck.

Thank you for talking to us.

Let's get the weather now.

For many of us it was pretty cloudy

this morning and we had some thick

fog patches across southern areas,

that is just one picture we had a

bit earlier on. Much of that is now

listing and clearing to give some

sunshine, although saying that for

many of us it will stay mostly

cloudy despite the fog and a bit of

sunshine across southern areas.

Further north, cloudy skies and our

bricks of rain moving into the far

north-west of Scotland, eventually

the far north-west of Northern

Ireland. Let's pick things up at

3pm. The best of the sunshine will

be across southern areas. The fog

taking another few hours to clear

away from there but we will get some

good styles of sunshine. There could

be some spots of rain in central

areas. Brighter skies in the

north-east of England and the far

north-east of Scotland but western

Scotland has thick cloud and our

bricks of rain. If you are heading

to a fireworks display this evening,

for many of us it will be dry, a

fair amount of cloud around, some

main areas of rain in Northern

Ireland and into Scotland, the best

of the drier weather is going to

become more out -- extensive. It

will be quite heavy into Saturday

morning in central and eastern

areas. Temperatures in double

figures. Clearer skies means it will

turn holder. During Saturday, that

area of rain will push away to the

east, it will take until late in the

afternoon before it clears in the

south-east and east Anglia, but

otherwise Saturday is largely dry

and bright sunshine and a few

showers, turning chilly in the

north-west, quite a chilly wind. If

you are going to a fireworks display

on Saturday evening, largely dry for

most of us have clear spells, some

showers scattered across Wales and

western areas into Scotland and

Northern Ireland. Sunday should be

the most dry day of the weekend, a

few showers across western areas, a

chilly wind for all of us, those

temperatures about eight to 11

Celsius. Bonfire night itself is

probably the driest and clearest

night for any fireworks and you can

go to the website or use our apt to

get a more detailed forecast for

where you are.

Hello.

It's 10 o'clock.

Labour suspends Luton MP

Kelvin Hopkins as part of the sexual

harassment scandal engulfing

Westminster.

It comes as former Defence

Secretary, Sir Michael Fallon faces

further allegations,

which he denies - just two days

after losing his job.

Former Westminster staff

say some MPs are known

for inappropriate conduct.

There were a few where you know,

you didn't want to be alone

with them in a room or you didn't

want to be with them

when they were drunk

in a bar somewhere.

Could bacteria help to reduce

tumours shrink during cancer

therapy?

Also this morning -

A former white supremacist

from Arizona whose black probation

officer helped him turn his back

on years of violent race crime,

tells us why he had to change.

I became more and more hateful as

time went on. I was very active in

the neo-Nazi lifestyle as a

teenager.

The full story coming up shortly.

Good morning.

Now a summary of today's news.

A Labour MP has been suspended

A Labour MP has

by the party.

Kelvin Hopkins, who is 76 and has

been MP for Luton North for 20

years, has had the whip withdrawn

while the party investigates.

27-year-old Ava Etemadzadeh

says she complained

to officials at the time

of the alleged incident

two years ago.

Mr Hopkins was later promoted

to the Labour frontbench.

Meanwhile, more allegations have

emerged about Sir Michael Fallon,

who resigned as Defence Secretary

this week saying his behaviour "fell

short" of standards.

He is accused in newspaper reports

of making inappropriate sexual

comments to his Cabinet colleague

Andrea Leadsom.

Sir Michael says he "categorically

denies" the allegations.

Speaking to the Victoria Derbyshire

show a little earlier this morning,

one former Conservative staff member

said researchers would warn each

other away from certain MPs

with a reputation for harassment.

I would hear on the grapevine, we

would have groups of researchers

saying we were meeting so-and-so,

don't sit on the same side of the

table as them. This was just as much

a problem for men as it was for

women.

Don't sit on the same side of

the table because they would grow

you?

It is a hand on a knee. It is

those uncomfortable boundaries where

you would slap someone's and away. I

would have but some don't feel

comfortable doing that. I never

experienced it but we have heard of

a very small number of MPs who are

tarnishing the reputation of others.

Plans to speed up the time it takes

for new, life-changing medicines

to reach patients have been

announced by the government.

The move follows pressure

by the pharmaceutical industry

and medical charities which say that

patients are losing out.

It could mean certain drugs will be

available up to four years earlier

than they are currently.

The Syrian army has retaken one

of the the last major strongholds

of so-called Islamic State,

according to state television.

The city of Deir al-Zour,

near the border with Iraq,

has been "completely liberated

from terrorism"

according to the report.

The Islamic State group had held

most of the city since 2014.

The militant group is now confined

to a few remaining pockets

elsewhere in the province.

Eight former Catalan government

ministers have spent a night behind

bars after a Spanish judge refused

to grant them bail.

They've been charged with rebellion,

sedition and misuse of public funds

in connection with the attempt

to make Catalonia

independent from Spain.

Tens of thousands of Catalans staged

a protest against their detention.

The judge said the ministers might

flee the country or destroy evidence

if they were released. Spanish

authorities have asked for European

arrest warrant for the sacked

Catalan leader.

It's emerged that the ashes

of the Moors Murderer Ian Brady have

been buried at sea after his body

was cremated last week.

He died in May at the age of 79,

at Ashworth High Security

Hospital in Merseyside.

Court documents show

that the cremation took place

in Southport without any ceremony.

His body had been kept in a hospital

mortuary since his death. Brady and

his accomplice Myra Hindley tortured

and killed five children in the

1960s.

There was a shock for Twitter users

overnight when one of the social

media platform's most prominent

and controversial users

had his account de-activated.

Donald Trump's account

was shut down for 11 minutes -

due to human error, according

to Twitter, who blamed it

on an employee on his last day

before leaving the company.

The social media giant says it's

taking steps to prevent it

from happening again.

The president, meanwhile,

is back up and tweeting

to his 41 million followers.

That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10.30am.

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Lots of you getting inter each on

the story about harassment at

Westminster. Now for some sport.

Good morning. Headlines today have

gone to the former Manchester United

player, Patrice Evra. It seemed he

has a multitude of questions to

answer after appearing to kick a

supporter of his current team,

Marseille, before their Europa

League match last night. Our

correspondent joins us now. What

went on?

It is unclear at the moment

exactly what prompted all of this.

The troubles flared up in the warm

up ahead of the game against

Portuguese side. Marseille fans

jumped the barrier. Patrice Evra

went over to confront them. At first

he was pulled away and team-mates

intervene. Later he goes back and

appears to aim a kick at the head of

one of the Marseille fans. He is

sent off and forced to watch the

game from the fans. The first player

in Europa League history to be sent

off before the game actually begins.

We have had a statement from

Marseille giving their take on all

of this. They have said an internal

investigation will be carried out.

They say a professional player must

keep his cool when there are

provocations and insults. The club

can only condemn any disruptive

behaviour by pseudo- supporters who

insult players and said of

supporting the team. That is the

stance that Marseille is taking.

There is one famous example we will

always remember of one player not

keeping their cool in the Premier

League era. What could happen next

to Patrice Evra?

The incident you

are alluding to there, what we both

thought of when we saw the pictures

earlier, is when Eric Cantona was

sent off back in 1995 and then after

he was sent off in a game against

Crystal Palace he aimed a kung fu

kick at the Crystal Palace supporter

that would not have looked out of

place in a mixed martial arts

contest. He was convicted of assault

for that incident and banned for

nine months. They were the longest

bans in professional sport. Evra,

who played for United and won the

Premier League several times and the

Champions League with United may

well face a similar sort of

punishment. We do not know if we

have not heard from Uefa. We may

well hear from them later today.

Thank you very much for joining us.

Everton caretaker manager David

Unsworth is searching for answers of

his own all of them on the field

after they lost their fifth straight

match in all competitions last

night. A 3-0 defeat in Lyon means

they are out of the Europa League.

Unsworth said, at a Premier League

meeting with Watford on Sunday it is

huge for him and the club. Elsewhere

last night Arsenal drew with Red

Star Belgrade. More questions to

answer for the Manchester United

boss, Jose Mourinho. Usually on a

Friday morning he would be holding

his weekly press conference. Instead

he is appearing in a Spanish court

to face tax fraud allegations

related to his time as manager of

the Spanish giants, Real Madrid. He

is alleged to owe over £3.5 billion

in undeclared image rights revenue.

He denied any wrongdoing. That is

all the sport for now. I'll be back

with more later on.

Let's get more on allegations

of sexual harassment

swirling around Westminster.

This morning Labour is facing

new claims by a party activist

and has suspended the MP

for Luton North, Kelvin Hopkins,

while it carries out

an investigation.

These are the latest pictures of

Jeremy Corbyn this morning he

declined to comment on the latest

allegations.

Meanwhile the former defence

secretary Sir Michael Fallon has

been forced to "categorically deny"

reports that he made inappropriate

sexual comments to Commons

leader Andrea Leadsom,

when they served on a Commons

committee together.

Theresa May is to hold a meeting

on Monday with the leaders

of the main political parties

in Westminster to draw up plans

for tackling sexual abuse

and harassment in Parliament.

The events of this week have shone

a light on a drinking culture

in British politics,

which in extreme cases,

has led to allegations of sexual

harassment and even rape.

So how bad is Westminster's alcohol

problem, and how do we tackle it?

Dr Paul Williams is the newly

elected MP for Stockton South.

He's been critical of

Westminster's drinking culture.

Heather Brooke broke

the MPs' expenses scandal.

She now teaches

investigative journalism

at City University London.

Thank you both for taking the time

to talk to us. If I can start with

you, Doctor Williams. Your reaction

to Kelvin Hopkins being suspended

from the Labour Party.

These are

very serious allegations. I don't

know any more about the detail of it

but I think it is right. Somebody is

innocent until proven guilty but it

is right to suspend him. It is right

to do a thorough investigation and

take the allegations really

seriously.

If, as transpires, the

claims that are being made by this

woman are true, she said she made

this complaint two years ago and he

was a backbencher but was then

brought in to join the Shadow

Cabinet. That was when Jeremy Corbyn

had a flurry of resignations. If

that is the case, is this the way it

should be handled by the Labour

Party?

We don't know enough yet.

Let's make sure the investigation is

done early. What the Labour Party

has done is written to all members

of Parliament. I have received

information to make sure we have

toughened up on our procedures and

made sure that MPs are being... The

message that honestly should have

been very clear to MPs in the past

about the way that staff should have

been treated is made even more

clear. Let's wait for the

investigation to run its course

before deciding what action should