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Hello it's Monday, it's 9 o'clock,
I'm Victoria Derbyshire. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
Welcome to the programme. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
Our top story today -
at least 26 people have been killed | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
by a gunman in a Baptist Church
in the US state of Texas. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:28 | |
The tragedy is worsened by the fact
it took place in a church, a place | 0:00:28 | 0:00:32 | |
of worship, where these people
were innocently gunned down. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
The suspect - 26-year-old
Devin Patrick Kelly - | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
was found dead nearby. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:37 | |
We'll get reaction
from eyewitnesses. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:45 | |
As the Westminster abuse scandal
continues to engulf politics... | 0:00:45 | 0:00:51 | |
a former Conservative Party activist
who informed the House of Commons | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
authorities of an alleged rape tells
this programme her complaints | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
were completely ignored. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
I felt as if my experience
wasn't important. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
And that the experiences of others
who have had similar | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
things happen to them
weren't important either. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:12 | |
We'll get reaction to that exclusive
story in around 15 minutes' time. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
And the people who manage
the Queen's finances have | 0:01:15 | 0:01:19 | |
defended their investments,
following the revelation that some | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
of her wealth has been placed
in two offshore funds. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
We'll bring you the details. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
Hello, welcome to the programme. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
We're live until 11:00am. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
The Prime Minister Theresa May
is due to give a speech | 0:01:39 | 0:01:46 | |
in the next hour on Westminster
abuse and Brexit. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:51 | |
We'll bring it to you live. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:59 | |
We're really keen to hear your
thoughts on the unfolding | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
Westminster abuse scandal. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
Is this a tipping point when it
comes to men in positions of power | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
across all industries and the way
they treat women and sometimes other | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
men. Is this a seminal moment in our
country where things really are | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
going to change, where the dinosaurs
will leave? | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
Do get in touch - use
the hashtag Victoria | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
live and if you text,
you will be charged | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
at the standard network rate. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:28 | |
Our top story today... | 0:02:28 | 0:02:29 | |
26 people, including several
children, have been killed | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
in the latest mass shooting incident
in the US. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
The attack happened
at the First Baptist Church, | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
in the small town of
Sutherland Springs in Texas. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:40 | |
Authorities say the youngest
victim was just five years | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
old, the eldest was 72. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
Our North America correspondent
Peter Bowes has more. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
The scene of America's
latest mass shooting. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
A tiny church in a Texas town. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
A Sunday morning gathering that
turned into a massacre. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:57 | |
More than two dozen dead
and many more injured. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
The ages of the victims
range from five to 72. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
The motive of the
gunman is not known. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:08 | |
We are dealing with the largest mass
shooting in our state's history. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
There are so many families who have
lost family members. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
Fathers, mothers,
sons and daughters. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:19 | |
The tragedy, of course,
is worsened by the fact that it | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
occurred in a church,
a place of worship, where these | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
people were innocently gunned down. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
The gunman fled the scene
and was later found | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
dead in his vehicle. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
It is unclear whether he shot
himself or died of a gunshot wound | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
inflicted by a local resident
who pursued the suspect, | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
armed with his own rifle. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
This close-knit community has been
left shattered and distraught. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
Stay with us as we learn
to deal with this... | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
As people wait for news
of their loved ones, | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
many are overwhelmed by the scale
of the tragedy. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
There's no words. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
This happens in New York,
in big cities. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
No-one is safe. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
My dad has already taught
me how to get the gun | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
from the safe and load it. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
If it can happen here,
it can happen anywhere. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:12 | |
President Trump, who
is on a tour of Asia, | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
condemned the shooting
as an act of evil. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:21 | |
Through the tears and through the
sadness, we stand strong, oh so | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
strong. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
The shooting comes just over one
month after the deadliest mass | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
shooting in modern US history
when a gunman in Las Vegas | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
killed 58 people. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
Now, another community has
joined the roll call. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
More lives lost and more
families asking why us? | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
As they struggle with their grief. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:46 | |
More on that come throughout the
programme. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
Now to the BBC Newsroom
with a summary of the rest | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
of the day's news. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:54 | |
The people who manage
the Queen's finances have | 0:04:54 | 0:04:58 | |
defended their investment practices
after the revelation that some | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
of her wealth has been placed
in two offshore funds. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
It follows a huge new leak
of financial documents, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:09 | |
dubbed the "Paradise Papers",
revealing how the rich and powerful | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
invest their money in tax
havens around the world. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
The BBC does not know
the source of the leak, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:19 | |
which contains more than 13 million
documents, mostly from one finance | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
firm based in Bermuda. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:22 | |
The vast majority of
transactions did not involve | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
any illegal activity. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
Here's our economics
correspondent Andy Verity. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
Bermuda. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:30 | |
Where the law firm at the heart
of the biggest leak | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
in offshore history,
Appleby, has its head office. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
The Queen is the head of state
here but until now we did not know | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
that some of her private money
was invested in tax | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
havens like this one. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:43 | |
The Duchy of Lancaster,
the private investment | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
vehicle for the Queen,
put £10 million, a small fraction | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
of its overall investments,
in offshore funds with $7.5 million | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
of that in one fund
in the Cayman Islands. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
In 2007, it was asked to put
£350,000 into investment projects | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
including the purchase
of two retailers. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
One was the company that owned
Threshers that later went bust | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
owning £70 million in tax,
and the other was BrightHouse, | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
the controversial rent-to-own
retailer which was recently forced | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
to compensate a quarter
of a million customers. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
I am pretty furious with those
who advise her and that are bringing | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
her reputation into disrepute. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
It is so obvious that
if you are looking after the money | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
of the monarchy, you have got to be
cleaner than clean and you must | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
never go near the dirty world
of money laundering, | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
tax avoidance, tax evasion or making
money in dubious ways. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:40 | |
The Duchy told us that
all of the investments were fully | 0:06:40 | 0:06:45 | |
audited and legitimate. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:50 | |
The documents also reveal that
Donald Trump's commerce secretary, | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
Wilbur Ross, has business links
with Russian allies | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
of president Vladimir Putin. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
Mr Ross has a secret stake
in a shipping company | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
called Navigator Holdings. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:07 | |
One of its major clients is Sibur,
a Russian energy company. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
The associate of Vladimir Putin,
Gennady Timchenko, is a shareholder, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:16 | |
and sanctioned by the US
government in 2014. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
Mr Ross told us none of the funds
he managed ever owned a majority | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
of Navigator shares and he never
met Gennady Timchenko. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
More revelations are to come. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
A former Conservative activist has
told this programme she was ignored | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
when she told the House of Commons
authorities she'd been raped | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
by a man who worked for a Tory MP. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
The woman, whose identity
is being protected, told us | 0:07:38 | 0:07:47 | |
she was assured by Commons officials
that it would be "passed on" | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
to senior party figures -
but now says her report | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
was not taken seriously. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:57 | |
When you seen so much happen
and nothing happened | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
on all of those occasions as well,
it's arrogant to assume I would be | 0:07:59 | 0:08:05 | |
anything that stood out. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:10 | |
treated any differently,
that my claim would be | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
anything that stood out. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:13 | |
I'm a number, a name, not a person. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
I'm just an allegation. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:16 | |
Probably one of many. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
And there is no importance
attached to those. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
It only becomes important
when it becomes a problem. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
And it becomes a problem
when it is picked up by the media. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:30 | |
Meanwhile Theresa May will meet
the other political party leaders | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
today to discuss a new parliamentary
complaints system to deal | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
with allegations of sexual
misconduct by MPs. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
The deputy prime minister,
Damian Green, will be interviewed | 0:08:40 | 0:08:44 | |
today as part of a Cabinet Office
investigation into claims that | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
pornography was found on a computer
in his parliamentary office. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
He strenuously denies
all allegations against him. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
A commuter train has derailed
at a station in south-west London. | 0:08:53 | 0:09:00 | |
British Transport Police
say around 250 people | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
were on board the service
from Basingstoke to Waterloo, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
when it came partially off
the tracks at Wimbledon station just | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
after six o'clock this morning. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
There are reports of
some minor injuries. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:13 | |
The children's commissioner has
called for more mental health | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
support for children in care -
saying there should be a presumption | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
that it is essential. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
Anne Longfield told
the Victoria Derbyshire programme | 0:09:21 | 0:09:22 | |
that more should be done to help
children recover from | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
traumatic upbringings. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
Almost half of those in the care
system have a diagnosable | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
mental health disorder,
and looked-after children | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
are four times more likely
to have a mental health condition. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
A Saudi Arabian prince and several
other high-ranking officials have | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
been killed in a helicopter crash
close to the country's border | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
with Yemen, according to reports
on state media. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
Prince Mansour bin Murqin
was a deputy governor, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
and a son of the country's
former crown prince. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
It's not yet known why
the aircraft crashed. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:55 | |
The deposed Catalan leader
Carles Puigdemont has been released | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
from custody by a judge in Belgium. | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
Mr Puigdemont and four
of his ministers surrendered | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
themselves to police
after the Spanish government issued | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
an EU-wide warrant for their arrest. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:11 | |
They've been told they are not
allowed to leave the country | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
and are expected to appear
at a Belgian court in | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
the next two weeks. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:21 | |
Police in Devon say they've made
a breakthrough in a twenty year | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
old murder investigation. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:25 | |
14-year-old Kate Bushell
was attacked as she walked her | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
neighbour's dog near her home
in Exeter in 1997. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
Police now believe that her killer
may have been wearing bright | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
orange work overalls,
after discovering fibres | 0:10:32 | 0:10:33 | |
on her body and clothing. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
Starting today, some NHS patients
will be able to access GP | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
consultations via video calls
on their smartphone 24 hours a day. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
The Royal College of GPs is warning
that some patients could be left | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
behind and complex conditions
may be misdiagnosed. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
But the team behind the project say
it will bring health consultations | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
into the 21st Century. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:59 | |
It's high time that NHS patients
were giving the opportunity to | 0:10:59 | 0:11:04 | |
benefit from technology to improve
access to health care. We have | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
benefited from this kind of
technology in so many different | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
aspects of our lives, whether be
shopping or banking, and it's time | 0:11:11 | 0:11:17 | |
we were able to do that in health
for NHS patients. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
It's been described as one
of the biggest shocks in Strictly's | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
history as Aston Merrygold was voted
off the show last night. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
Aston was one of the bookies'
favourites to win but the JLS star | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
and his dance partner
Janette Manrara failed to impress | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
the judges with their Jackson 5
inspired Viennese Waltz. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
Judge Craig Revel-Horwood
only gave them a four. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:41 | |
I've had friends that have done this
show before and they have said, you | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
will have the most amount of fun
from start to finish and they | 0:11:44 | 0:11:49 | |
weren't lying. From this lady to
every single person in here, you can | 0:11:49 | 0:11:54 | |
your guys, yourself, Claudia, you
amazing lot I get to see and spend | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
so much time with and learn from and
make some amazing friends. Honestly, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:03 | |
I've had the best time and it's been
amazing. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC
News - more at 9.30am. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
A friend text me last night after
the results show saying she was | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
literally going to boycott watching
Strictly. I replied saying, I bet | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
you don't! This morning, do you
think the revelations about sexual | 0:12:18 | 0:12:29 | |
harassment, and you have told as it
happens in the NHS, taxi firms, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
schools, offices and factories, and
we now know it happens at | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
Westminster. Do these revelations
represent a tipping point where | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
people in positions of power stop
abusing that privilege by harassing | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
those in less senior positions. Do
you genuinely think this will lead | 0:12:44 | 0:12:51 | |
to sweeping changes in how we all
behave? | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
Do get in touch with us
throughout the morning - | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
use the hashtag Victoria LIVE
and if you text, you will be charged | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
at the standard network rate. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:00 | |
A tweet from Kathleen, sexual
harassment will not disappear. Not | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
much faith there. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
Let's get some sport
with Kathryn Downes. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:05 | |
And Manchester City may be eight
points clear at the top | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
of the Premier League
after beating Arsenal but it's | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
Arsene Wenger's post-match comments
making the headlines. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
What's he had to say? | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
We hear all kinds of excuses in
football. A couple of weeks ago we | 0:13:14 | 0:13:19 | |
heard Manchester city manager Pep
Guardiola blaming the ball for a bad | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
performance from his side. This one
is a little more standard, blaming | 0:13:22 | 0:13:28 | |
the referee. Arsene Wenger having a
go at the officials after the match | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
yesterday, saying he feels the
referees do not work enough. The | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
level drops every season at the
moment and overall it is not | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
acceptable. This after his side were
beaten 3-1 by Manchester City, | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
dropping down to sixth in the
Premier League. He was grumpy about | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
this challenge on Raheem Sterling,
when he claimed Sterling dived. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
Replays showed he was pretty much
ploughed into. The third goal for | 0:13:51 | 0:13:56 | |
Manchester City, where replays show,
it looked offside. Even the City | 0:13:56 | 0:14:03 | |
players looked surprised to be
allowed to play on. We have was the | 0:14:03 | 0:14:10 | |
result with Arsene Wenger not happy
at all about the officiating. This | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
is what he had to say. I believe it
was no penalty. It was a provoked | 0:14:12 | 0:14:19 | |
penalty by Sterling. We know he
dives well, he does that very well. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:24 | |
And the third goal was offside. I am
very upset because at 2-1 we were in | 0:14:24 | 0:14:30 | |
the game and looks like we could
score. We had many dangerous | 0:14:30 | 0:14:35 | |
situations. That third city was
offside, but Alan Shearer was strong | 0:14:35 | 0:14:42 | |
in his criticism of Arsene Wenger,
saying it is unacceptable to pick up | 0:14:42 | 0:14:47 | |
one player like Raheem Sterling, and
that he owes him an apology. To | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
deflect from his team's inadequacies
and deficiencies, it's another want | 0:14:51 | 0:14:56 | |
to question somebody's integrity and
be run. He owes Raheem Sterling an | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
apology. No way that a dive, and it
was a penalty. Whether or not Arsene | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
Wenger apologises to Raheem
Sterling, we will have to wait and | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
see. Managers can be fined for
speaking out against referees and | 0:15:08 | 0:15:13 | |
officials. Jose Mourinho had a
couple of times last season after | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
being outspoken against refereeing
mistakes, as he saw them. But it | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
seems the stakes are so high in the
Premier League that managers can't | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
keep a lid on their frustration. And
the fines do not match the salaries | 0:15:23 | 0:15:29 | |
they earn so they make no impact
whatsoever. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
A former Conservative Party activist
has told this programme she reported | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
an alleged rape to House of Commons
authorities but was completely | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
ignored and left feeling worthless. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:53 | |
She says she told the Commons clerk
a "toxic, heavy drinking and sex | 0:15:53 | 0:16:02 | |
driven culture within Westminster"
had contributed to the alleged | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
attack, which "destroyed" her. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:08 | |
In an exclusive interview, Amanda -
whose name has been changed | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
to protect identities -
says she was raped by someone | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
who worked for a Conservative MP. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
After it was reported to police
and due to go to trial she spoke | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
to the House of Commons Clerk
and says she was told her concerns | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
about the culture and the alleged
rape itself would be passed | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
to the then Chief Whip,
Gavin Williamson, | 0:16:24 | 0:16:25 | |
who is now the Defence Secretary
and Andrea Leadsom, | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
the Leader of the House of Commons. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
The Commons Clerk says he did not
formally report the rape allegation | 0:16:29 | 0:16:35 | |
as there was already
a criminal case under way. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
But he did pass on her
general concerns. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
Both MPs say they were not told
about the allegation of rape, | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
but Andrea Leadsom admits
she was told about concerns over | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
the culture at Westminster. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:47 | |
Catrin Nye has this
exclusive report. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
I was raped by someone senior to me
in the Conservative Party. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:58 | |
It was violent, it wasn't
in Westminster, and it | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
shouldn't have happened. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:06 | |
And I remember the attack,
during the attack, I remember | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
the room disappearing around me
and thinking I was going to die. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:16 | |
When he left the next
day, I was at a police | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
station within an hour. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:20 | |
And I reported it. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
It's destroyed me. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:30 | |
And I question how I could be
so stupid as to get into that | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
political scene, and I blame myself
for doing so because it led | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
to what happened to me. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:38 | |
If I hadn't have got
into that scene, I wouldn't | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
have been attacked. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
It's as simple as that. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
The criminal case progressed
and was due to go to trial. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
Amanda, whose name we've changed
to protect the identity of both | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
parties, says she decided she wanted
to talk to Commons officials | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
about her alleged rape and how
she felt the culture of Westminster | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
contributed to it. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
We've confirmed that she had
a 25 minute conversation | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
with the House of Commons clerk. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
Parliamentary authorities let me
know that they were passing it | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
on to the Chief Whip,
who was Gavin Williamson at that | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
time, and the leader
of the House, Andrea Leadsom. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
But that was never followed up. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:22 | |
As Chief Whip, Gavin Williamson
was in charge of the conduct of MPs, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
and Andrea Leadsom was in charge
of the day-to-day | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
workings of the Commons. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:29 | |
Amanda says she left that
conversation believing she had | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
secured a meeting with them. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
Gavin Williamson has since been
promoted to Defence Secretary, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:40 | |
and Andrea Leadsom has since said
parliament would take a | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
zero-tolerance approach
to allegations of sexual misconduct. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
The clerk of the House of Commons
refused to tell us who he spoke | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
to about what he'd been told,
but did say that Amanda's views | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
on the culture in Parliament only
were informally reported onwards | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
and were acted on, though no-one
will tell us how exactly | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
it was acted on and Amanda
was not told either. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
We've confirmed that
concerns about the culture | 0:18:59 | 0:19:04 | |
were passed to Andrea Leadsom,
but both Leadsom and Williamson | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
insisted they were not told
about the rape claims. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
Senior Conservatives say they're
shocked the allegations did not | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
reach the Chief Whip's office. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
I never received contact
from either of them. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
The Parliamentary authorities never
followed it up with me either. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
I've heard nothing. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
How did that make you feel? | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
I felt as if my experience wasn't
important, and that the experiences | 0:19:27 | 0:19:34 | |
of others who had had similar things
happen to them weren't | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
important either. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:42 | |
And how do you feel about
the culture in Westminster now? | 0:19:42 | 0:19:47 | |
It's toxic. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:52 | |
It is not a place I would advise any
young, particularly young women, | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
but young people as a whole
to get into. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
Can you tell me more
about the culture, what it's like? | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
Heavy drinking, sex driven. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
Very much... | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
self-interested. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
I've lost count of the number
of women that I have seen plied | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
with drink to the point
that they couldn't stand up, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:20 | |
and then being escorted out of bars
by senior staffers and MPs. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
I've lost count, and people
don't bat an eyelid. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
Women are meat. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:28 | |
New intern, new meat. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
You really think it's that bad? | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
Yeah. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:34 | |
Yeah. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
I don't think it's that bad,
I know it's that bad. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
You don't realise until you get out
quite how bad it was, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
and it's only now looking back
into that environment that | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
I can see those things. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
I'm pretty sure there are those
who are still within it | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
who don't see these problems. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
So did you think it was
normal at the time? | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
Yeah, yeah. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:56 | |
I mean, I've had men
stick their hands up my skirt, | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
I've had men ply me with so much
drink, again, that | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
I couldn't stand up. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:03 | |
I was party to all that. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
I, in fact, at one point I saw it
happen to other women, | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
and I just accepted it as normal. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
Do you think they care
about the reputation, | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
about what these kinds
of allegations do to | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
the reputation of Parliament? | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
Only if they hit the press. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
Only if they're picked up
by the media and attract attention. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
But allegations in themselves,
they can be brushed under | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
the carpet, they can be ignored. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
Amanda is also critical
of Theresa May. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
I don't think women in politics get
where they are by serving | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
the interests of other women. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
I think... | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
particularly within the Conservative
Party that rings true. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:51 | |
We've had two female
prime ministers - | 0:21:51 | 0:21:57 | |
that should tell that,
you know, politics is still a very | 0:21:57 | 0:22:02 | |
male-driven space and in order
to succeed you have to act | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
like a man and push feminine
interests aside, and particularly | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
anything with feminism
within the Conservative Party, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
anything tainted with the name
feminist or similar is met | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
with mockery and contempt. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
The man Amanda had accused of rape,
who was not an MP, strongly | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
denied the allegation,
and the case was eventually dropped | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
after a review of the evidence. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
But when she told the Parliamentary
authorities about it, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
and her concerns about the culture,
the case was due to go to trial, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
and she says she was ignored,
despite their obvious seriousness. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
Why didn't you do something? | 0:22:39 | 0:22:40 | |
Why? | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
Not surprised in the slightest. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
I'm resigned to the fact that
nobody does anything | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
about these things now. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:50 | |
You must be disappointed? | 0:22:50 | 0:22:51 | |
Yeah. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
Well, a bit, but when you've seen
so much happen and nothing happen on | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
all of those occasions as well, it's
arrogant to assume that I would be | 0:22:59 | 0:23:04 | |
treated any differently,
that my claim would be | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
anything that stood out. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
I'm a number, a name, not a person. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
I'm just an allegation,
probably one of many. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:22 | |
And there's no importance
attached to those. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:27 | |
It only becomes important
when it becomes a problem, | 0:23:27 | 0:23:33 | |
and it becomes a problem when it's
picked up by the media, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
when somebody stands up
for the people that these things | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
have happened to. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
What do you hope's going to happen
as a result of you speaking to us? | 0:23:43 | 0:23:49 | |
I would hope that a code
of conduct is introduced, | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
and a no-tolerance policy equally
introduced to monitor | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
the behaviour of all individuals
working in Parliament, | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
regardless of their status. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:03 | |
I would also like to hope
that the licensing requirements | 0:24:03 | 0:24:07 | |
are reviewed in the bars
on the Parliamentary estate, | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
and that consent workshops
are compulsory for anybody | 0:24:11 | 0:24:17 | |
in employment within
Parliament, MP or staffer. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
It sounds petty, it sounds
like very, very small actions, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:30 | |
but the fact that this has happened
for so long, these small | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
actions need to be taken,
and their needs to be a no-tolerance | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
policy, and any allegation
that is made has to be properly | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
investigated and treated
as a serious, serious offence. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:48 | |
Andrew says a deeply powerful story.
Mummy says, "This story is | 0:24:56 | 0:25:03 | |
heartbreaking. Sort it out
Westminster." A number of you asked | 0:25:03 | 0:25:08 | |
why the woman didn't go to the
police. She did. It was as it was | 0:25:08 | 0:25:13 | |
proceeding and she went to the House
of Commons clerk and the case was | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
dropped. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:17 | |
Let's get reaction to that story
from Conservative MP, Mims Davies, | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
who is the chair of the all-party
Parliamentary group | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
for Women in Parliament. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:23 | |
And Labour MP, Rupa Huq,
who says she was sexually harassed | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
by an MEP when she was in her 20s. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:31 | |
Mims, how do you react to the fact
that an alleged rape was brought to | 0:25:31 | 0:25:36 | |
the attention of the Parliamentary
authorities as it was proceeding to | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
a criminal trial, but seemingly no
action was taken? Well, first of all | 0:25:39 | 0:25:44 | |
I'm so sorry to hear this experience
of someone who in politics who hoped | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
to have a good experience by getting
involved with the party. Obviously | 0:25:47 | 0:25:53 | |
there is an issue here with it being
off the Parliamentary estate and | 0:25:53 | 0:25:58 | |
what was reported to the House
authorities. But the reality is, if | 0:25:58 | 0:26:04 | |
this is endemic as an underlying
culture, then certainly what has | 0:26:04 | 0:26:09 | |
been coming to the fore over the
last couple of weeks, we absolutely | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
need to deal with so that victims or
people who were concerned about any | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
behaviour of anybody who works for
the House of Commons, any experience | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
within Parliament, that they feel
there is due process to go through. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
I'm delighted about the code of
conduct that we have all | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
Conservatives in fact, I raised a
ten minute rule Bill seven months | 0:26:29 | 0:26:35 | |
ago about enshrining the noble
principles for councillors and I | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
would like to see that culture going
cross party and I now Rupa across | 0:26:38 | 0:26:43 | |
the weekend on different news
programmes saying there is a lot of | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
good in Parliament as well and we
need to make sure that's what people | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
see rather than what appears to be
unpleasant behaviour, but it is not | 0:26:51 | 0:26:56 | |
my experience of being part of the
Conservative Party. It has been a | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
positive experience being an MP, but
it appears that some staffers and | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
some people being involved in all
parties, are having very unpleasant | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
experiences and our party is
certainly not the only party that | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
needs to be really looking at itself
and all the procedures around it. Is | 0:27:10 | 0:27:15 | |
it conceivable to you that a 25
minute conversation of this nature, | 0:27:15 | 0:27:20 | |
between this woman, and the clerk of
the House of Commons, involving a | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
rape allegation against a man who
worked for a Conservative MP would | 0:27:24 | 0:27:29 | |
not be passed on to the Chief Whip
or Leader of the House of Commons? | 0:27:29 | 0:27:36 | |
My understanding of the difficulty
is this happened off the | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
Parliamentary estate and because
there were legal proceedings already | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
happening. Obviously, Gavin
Williamson and Andrea Leadsom were | 0:27:41 | 0:27:47 | |
mentioned in the piece that we just
heard. My experience of them in | 0:27:47 | 0:27:53 | |
their roles has been very much
taking their responsibilities on the | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
Parliamentary estate incredibly
seriously. Now, if there is a | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
disconnect between what happens off
the Parliamentary estate and on, | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
that's what we need to be dealing
with and as I say, this lady who has | 0:28:02 | 0:28:08 | |
come forward, with such a powerful
story, we applaud her for what she | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
has done and we have to learn all
the lessons cross party from all | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
these brave women who are coming
forward and showing that their | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
experience of politics is not a very
good one. The clerk says he didn't | 0:28:19 | 0:28:24 | |
formerly report to Andrea Leadsom
and Gavin William and there was a | 0:28:24 | 0:28:29 | |
rape allegation because the clerk
says there was a criminal case | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
proceeding. He refused to tell us
who he did speak to about what he | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
had been told, saying only that
Amanda's allegations were informally | 0:28:36 | 0:28:41 | |
reported onwards and were acted on.
No one can tell us exactly how it | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
was acted on and Amanda wasn't told
either. Why do you think that would | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
be? I'm sorry, Victoria, I just
can't tell you. Could it be because | 0:28:49 | 0:28:55 | |
nothing was done? I don't believe so
because I have a spent several | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
conversations this weekend with our
new Chief Whip who is going through | 0:28:59 | 0:29:04 | |
every issue relating to an MP and
making sure that the code of on duct | 0:29:04 | 0:29:09 | |
and the proper procedures are put in
place. We have got the Prime | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
Minister meeting with other leaders
today. So, I don't believe that the | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
culture that we are moving forward
to, we would ever have that | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
experience, but I don't know what
happened in this situation. My | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
understanding is if the drinking
culture is reported, that should be | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
dealt with. I certainly, as I say,
Andrea and Gavin, I have been a new | 0:29:26 | 0:29:34 | |
MP since 2015, himself issues that I
have been concerned about, I have | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
always had good responses from both
of those people. There must be a | 0:29:38 | 0:29:42 | |
disconnect there somewhere. Now, the
Defence Secretary and now the Chief | 0:29:42 | 0:29:47 | |
Whip, who says we can confirm the
rape allegation was never reported | 0:29:47 | 0:29:52 | |
to the then Chief Whip. If it was,
we would have taken that allegation | 0:29:52 | 0:29:57 | |
serious and referred to the police.
On the Parliamentary estate if there | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
is already legal proceedings going
on, that is the difficulty here. But | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
that doesn't help that young lady.
Andrea Leadsom confirmed she was | 0:30:03 | 0:30:08 | |
told about the complaints regarding
culture, but not the rape | 0:30:08 | 0:30:12 | |
allegations. But again, nothing
seems to have been done? | 0:30:12 | 0:30:19 | |
She described a toxic heavy drinking
culture. These quotes, heavy | 0:30:19 | 0:30:26 | |
drinking, sex driven, very much self
interested. I've lost count of the | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
amount of women I have seen plied
with drink to the point where they | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
couldn't stand up, and then being
escorted out of bars by senior | 0:30:32 | 0:30:38 | |
staffers and MPs. Women are meat.
Newington, new meat. -- new intern. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:49 | |
The way she has described that,
that's grotesque. My experience, | 0:30:49 | 0:30:55 | |
having come through the conservative
women's organisation is absolutely a | 0:30:55 | 0:30:59 | |
very respectful and positive culture
within the Conservative Party more | 0:30:59 | 0:31:04 | |
broadly. I came to Parliament in
2015, the first time I had ever come | 0:31:04 | 0:31:08 | |
other than a morning shadowing
another MP. My experience has been | 0:31:08 | 0:31:13 | |
wholly positive. I have been very
clear in this role, both as a | 0:31:13 | 0:31:18 | |
constituency MP and in the all-party
group, that I want Westminster to be | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
a welcoming and positive place for
women to succeed. Clearly | 0:31:22 | 0:31:26 | |
historically that is a very
different experience to the one I | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
have had and am currently having,
but it doesn't mean we can't do | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
something about that perception.
Every week in our constituency | 0:31:33 | 0:31:38 | |
surgeries, where processes have gone
wrong and people have been let down, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
MPs are doing the best for their
constituents. We need to be seen to | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
be doing this in Parliament. On the
whole, many of us do great work and | 0:31:45 | 0:31:50 | |
this is very damning. It's a
terrible scourge. Rupa Huq, Labour | 0:31:50 | 0:31:57 | |
MP, you were sexually harassed as a
student by a male NEP at the | 0:31:57 | 0:32:01 | |
European Parliament in 1995. Do you
think this is now a turning point in | 0:32:01 | 0:32:08 | |
the way people in positions of power
across Westminster and across all | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
sectors behave? I do. I think the
dam has been broken, the genie has | 0:32:12 | 0:32:20 | |
come out of the bottle, whichever
expression you want to use. About a | 0:32:20 | 0:32:26 | |
week ago we were talking about the
sex toy minister. That's not the | 0:32:26 | 0:32:31 | |
title of the Minister we were
talking about. We have had | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
revelations of all this time and my
worry was we would get something to | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
patch up the crisis, a one off. But
now there has to be something | 0:32:38 | 0:32:43 | |
systematic to deal with these
processes that are not there at the | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
moment. I do think it's a turning
point. We saw it with expenses. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
There are a lot of regulations about
financial impropriety but nothing | 0:32:50 | 0:32:55 | |
really about sexual misconduct, and
I think the time has come because of | 0:32:55 | 0:33:02 | |
all the stuff we have seen. The
Prime Minister will meet leaders of | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
all Westminster parties in the House
of Commons this evening. What | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
proposals would you like to see
introduced? The case with Amanda is | 0:33:07 | 0:33:12 | |
gut-wrenching and stomach churning
me awful, what happened to her. I | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
would like to say it's completely
shocking, but in the last week we | 0:33:15 | 0:33:21 | |
have seen things that it's turning
into something unshockable. The Bex | 0:33:21 | 0:33:26 | |
Bailey case for incidents. There is
no real place to report this. There | 0:33:26 | 0:33:31 | |
are several Commons clerks, I not
clear who it is, so who is this | 0:33:31 | 0:33:35 | |
person? And if it is off the
premises, there is no clear chain of | 0:33:35 | 0:33:40 | |
command to how to report this. We
the and independent body. Somebody | 0:33:40 | 0:33:49 | |
not connected to the House of
Commons or to any of the parties. -- | 0:33:49 | 0:33:54 | |
we need an independent body. Could
the committee of standards in Public | 0:33:54 | 0:33:59 | |
life extend its remit? Is that a
credible body? That committee is | 0:33:59 | 0:34:04 | |
about selflessness, the Nolan
principles and financial stuff. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:09 | |
Apparently in 2012 there was a code
of conduct that was vetoed by the | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
whips. The culture of the whips, and
these mysterious terms to people on | 0:34:13 | 0:34:17 | |
the outside, Chief Whip, if you're
not in the system you don't know | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
what this means. Their job is to
shore up their own party. That's why | 0:34:20 | 0:34:27 | |
there has been such reluctance. We
need something independent and rules | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
for them to uphold. At the moment
the rules are lax, if nonexistent. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
There is no sexual harassment
policy, no HR in the House of | 0:34:34 | 0:34:39 | |
Commons. What about consent classes
for MPs and those who work for them? | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
I think all these things should
hinge on consent. What happened to | 0:34:43 | 0:34:48 | |
me 22 years ago, the case of a male
NEP with wandering hands, putting | 0:34:48 | 0:34:54 | |
them somewhere I didn't want them. I
rebuffed him and that was the end of | 0:34:54 | 0:34:59 | |
it. It left me startled more than
anything else. What was he thinking? | 0:34:59 | 0:35:05 | |
This person is not very tall
good-looking, but he had power | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
because he was an MEP. You have
these massively asymmetrical power | 0:35:08 | 0:35:13 | |
relations wherever there is politics
because it's an insecure working | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
environment where loads of people
want to get into. It's the same as | 0:35:16 | 0:35:21 | |
any zero hours working culture where
people want to get on so they don't | 0:35:21 | 0:35:26 | |
speak out. And women don't like
speaking out, because to bring a | 0:35:26 | 0:35:30 | |
prosecution, the body of evidence
you need, the witness statements, | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
and for Amanda it must be traumatic
to be reliving all of that. He was | 0:35:33 | 0:35:40 | |
probably thinking... I can't imagine
I was the only person he was doing | 0:35:40 | 0:35:48 | |
that too. There are lots of interns
continually arriving at Strasbourg. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:56 | |
One person has tweeted, it's about
time the police were stopped. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
Another says get rid of the
Westminster bar subsidy and use it | 0:35:59 | 0:36:04 | |
for an HR department. Mahamat says
he finds it difficult to believe | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
nobody in the Conservatives or
Labour knew about it. Really | 0:36:07 | 0:36:15 | |
interesting to know if this will
change things across all | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
professions, jobs and sectors. Thank
you to Rupa Huq, thank you for your | 0:36:18 | 0:36:23 | |
time. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:24 | |
Still to come: | 0:36:24 | 0:36:25 | |
The Prime Minister
Theresa May is due to give a speech | 0:36:25 | 0:36:30 | |
in around 15 minutes' time
where she'll talk about Westminster | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
abuse and life after Brexit -
we'll bring it to you live. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
Plus, we'll look at the Queen's
finances following that huge leak | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
of financial documents
which is being called | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
the paradise papers. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:42 | |
Time for the latest
news - here's Annita. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:53 | |
26 people, including several
children have been killed in a | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
shooting in a church service in
Texas. The attack happened at the | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
first Baptist Church in the small
town of Sutherland Springs. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
Authorities say the youngest victim
was five years old, the eldest was | 0:37:03 | 0:37:07 | |
72. Police found the suspect dead in
his car. There is currently no | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
indication as to his motive. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
The people who manage
the Queen's finances have | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
defended their investment practices
after the revelation that some | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
of her wealth has been placed
in two offshore funds. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
It follows a huge new leak
of financial documents, | 0:37:20 | 0:37:26 | |
dubbed the "Paradise Papers",
revealing how the rich and powerful | 0:37:26 | 0:37:28 | |
invest their money in tax
havens around the world. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
The BBC does not know
the source of the leak, | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
which contains more than 13 million
documents, mostly from one finance | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
firm based in Bermuda. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:40 | |
A former Conservative activist has
told this programme she was ignored | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
when she told the House of Commons
authorities she'd been raped | 0:37:43 | 0:37:45 | |
by a man who worked for a Tory MP. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
The woman, whose identity
is being protected, told us | 0:37:48 | 0:37:54 | |
she was assured by Commons officials
that it would be "passed on" | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
to senior party figures -
but now says her report was not | 0:37:57 | 0:37:59 | |
taken seriously. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
That's a summary of
the latest BBC News. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
Here's some sport now
with Kathryn Downes. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:08 | |
Here are the sports headlines.
Arsene Wenger has accused Raheem | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
Sterling of diving and says the
refereeing in the Premier League is | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
getting worse by the season. Arsenal
lost 3-1 to Manchester city, who are | 0:38:14 | 0:38:20 | |
now eight points clear at the top of
the table. Chelsea beat Manchester | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
United 1-0 at Stamford Bridge, Jose
Mourinho on the losing side as he | 0:38:23 | 0:38:27 | |
returns to his former club.
Kilmarnock chalked up a much-needed | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
victory in the Scottish Premiership,
beating Hearts under new manager | 0:38:31 | 0:38:35 | |
Steve Clark, taking them out of the
relegation zone. Justin Rose is | 0:38:35 | 0:38:39 | |
making a late bid to finish the year
as Europe's number one golfer. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:44 | |
Victory in Turkey gave him
back-to-back wins and he is closing | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
in on Tommy Fleetwood at the top of
the standings. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
The people who manage
the Queen's finances have | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
defended their investment practices
after the revelation that some | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
of her wealth has been placed
in two offshore funds. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
The Duchy of Lancaster,
which provides the Queen | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
with an income, held funds
in the Cayman Islands and Bermuda. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:06 | |
Here's how it works. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
A small amount of the Queen's money
went into a buy-to-rent retailer | 0:40:49 | 0:40:53 | |
called BrightHouse -
a company which has been criticised | 0:40:53 | 0:40:55 | |
for irresponsible lending. | 0:40:55 | 0:41:01 | |
Last month, the UK's financial
regulator said BrightHouse, | 0:41:01 | 0:41:06 | |
which sells electrical goods
and furniture predominantly | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
to people on lower incomes
via weekly installments, | 0:41:08 | 0:41:13 | |
had not acted as a "responsible
lender" and ordered it to pay | 0:41:13 | 0:41:18 | |
£15 million compensation
to 249,000 customers. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:26 | |
Last year, in an exclusive
report for this programme, | 0:41:26 | 0:41:28 | |
the former Labour leader Ed Miliband
called for better regulation | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
on buy-to-rent firms
such as BrightHouse. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:32 | |
BrightHouse have 300
stores across the country, | 0:41:32 | 0:41:34 | |
often in the poorest areas. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:36 | |
One of them is in Doncaster,
my constituency. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:40 | |
I'm concerned that BrightHouse has
taken advantage of people | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
on benefits and working
on low incomes. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
But in the course of our
investigation, I have been really | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
shocked to find BrightHouse
is selling to people | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
with mental health problems
and learning disabilities. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:59 | |
Paul, not his real name,
he asked us to hide his identity. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
He has learning difficulties
and mental health problems. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
You are a customer of BrightHouse? | 0:42:05 | 0:42:07 | |
Yes. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:11 | |
And do you want to just tell me,
from the receipts, what you owe | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
them, and what goods
you have with them? | 0:42:14 | 0:42:18 | |
That's that.
That's the sofa? | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
Yeah. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:21 | |
Telly, CD. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
So you have on this
receipt, five items. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
How have you ended up with that
number of items, do you think? | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
You must have started off with one? | 0:42:32 | 0:42:36 | |
I started off with one. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
I don't know how it works,
I really don't know. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
The disclosure is among the first
from a leak of millions | 0:42:42 | 0:42:47 | |
of confidential documents relating
to investments made | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
through tax havens by wealthy
individuals and companies. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:51 | |
They've been dubbed
"The Paradise Papers". | 0:42:51 | 0:42:52 | |
They were obtained by
the German newspaper | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
Suddeutsche Zeitung and shared
with the International Consortium | 0:42:55 | 0:42:58 | |
of Investigative Journalists -
including the BBC's | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
Panorama programme. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:05 | |
David McClure is with us
in the studio this morning - | 0:43:05 | 0:43:07 | |
he's author of Royal Legacy,
an investigation into | 0:43:07 | 0:43:09 | |
the royal finances. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
And with us on webcam
is Richard Brooks - | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
a former tax inspector at HMRC
an author of The Great Tax Robbery. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:18 | |
And we can speak to Jo Galazka,
whose family had years | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
of bad experiences with
the rent-to-own company BrightHouse. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:28 | |
Wee mate interrupts this
conversation if the Prime Minister | 0:43:28 | 0:43:30 | |
begins her speech at the CBI's
annual conference. -- we might | 0:43:30 | 0:43:35 | |
interrupt. Why is it controversial
that the Queen's private estate | 0:43:35 | 0:43:41 | |
invested £10 million in offshore tax
havens? I think the controversy is | 0:43:41 | 0:43:46 | |
over what these tax havens do, and
as the report said, there is no | 0:43:46 | 0:43:52 | |
evidence of direct tax avoidance by
the Duchy of Lancaster, the Queen's | 0:43:52 | 0:43:55 | |
fund. But the money has gone through
the Cayman Islands, which is | 0:43:55 | 0:44:02 | |
associated with secrecy, which is
involved in tax avoidance by other | 0:44:02 | 0:44:06 | |
companies with corruption, tax
evasion, and it's not the place the | 0:44:06 | 0:44:13 | |
Queen's advisers should be putting
her money. If there is no tax | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
advantage for her doing it there,
why do it there? I think there are | 0:44:16 | 0:44:22 | |
other marginal regulation type
advantages for the funds involved. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:27 | |
These tax havens do not just
specialise in tax avoidance, they | 0:44:27 | 0:44:32 | |
also offer light regulation that
appeals to fund management | 0:44:32 | 0:44:36 | |
industries. That's why the money is
there in the first place. It's not | 0:44:36 | 0:44:42 | |
really a tax issue in this case.
Would the Queen know where the money | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
is going? It's extremely unlikely.
She does not have hands-on control | 0:44:45 | 0:44:52 | |
of the Duchy. That's done by the
Council, and below that there is a | 0:44:52 | 0:44:56 | |
series of about 18 fully employed
officials of the Duchy. She would | 0:44:56 | 0:45:02 | |
not know of the individual
investments going on. Why would all | 0:45:02 | 0:45:08 | |
those expert people think it
appropriate for the British Monarch | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
to invest money in offshore tax
havens? | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
Well that's a very good question.
Someone should have looked at it | 0:45:17 | 0:45:21 | |
more closely. Does this look bad?
Nothing illegal has happened. It | 0:45:21 | 0:45:27 | |
damaged the brand. Someone should
have said, "Hey, why are we | 0:45:27 | 0:45:33 | |
investing in these funds?" It seems
inconceivable that no one said that. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:38 | |
You would like sensible people would
say, "What would this look like to | 0:45:38 | 0:45:43 | |
the British public if it ever came
out? Maybe they thought it would | 0:45:43 | 0:45:48 | |
never come out. Jo, your family's
experiences as a BrightHouse | 0:45:48 | 0:45:54 | |
customer? My family, we have had a
number of goods and items from | 0:45:54 | 0:46:01 | |
BrightHouse and we are one of the
families that Ed Miliband referred | 0:46:01 | 0:46:03 | |
to, that have been exploited. My mum
has got severe mental health | 0:46:03 | 0:46:08 | |
problems and yes, she has been
completely exploited by BrightHouse | 0:46:08 | 0:46:12 | |
and it resulted in goods being
returned, despite her paying | 0:46:12 | 0:46:16 | |
hundreds of pounds for them. Even a
sofa being taken away. It is a | 0:46:16 | 0:46:22 | |
scandal and I'm really disappointed
to see that the Royal Family have | 0:46:22 | 0:46:25 | |
shares in such a company like
BrightHouse. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:28 | |
They don't have shares in
BrightHouse, but they invested in a | 0:46:28 | 0:46:33 | |
company that has links with
BrightHouse. What do you think of | 0:46:33 | 0:46:36 | |
that? I'm truly horrified because
you know what does it say to | 0:46:36 | 0:46:42 | |
families like mine and you know
people in this country who have got | 0:46:42 | 0:46:46 | |
mental health problems who have been
exploited by BrightHouse. Has it | 0:46:46 | 0:46:51 | |
given it the green light and the
go-ahead to practise practises like | 0:46:51 | 0:46:56 | |
that. BrightHouse says it provides
services to millions of British | 0:46:56 | 0:47:02 | |
people who are unable to access
traditional lines of credit. I would | 0:47:02 | 0:47:07 | |
have to disagree with that. With my
mum, they were constantly harassing | 0:47:07 | 0:47:12 | |
her, asking her, do you want
ad-ones, do you need this? It is | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
coming up to Christmas, the children
may want a games console, they may | 0:47:15 | 0:47:19 | |
want a lap toop and as far as I am
concerned, they ex-plotted my mum. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:23 | |
She is on benefits and clearly can't
afford the repayments and at one | 0:47:23 | 0:47:26 | |
time she was paying up to £50 a week
in repayments. So tell me how that | 0:47:26 | 0:47:30 | |
is responsible? I disagree with that
and they're going to say that, but | 0:47:30 | 0:47:35 | |
families like mine are the tip of
the iceberg, there is much more if | 0:47:35 | 0:47:39 | |
we scratch below the surface. Do you
know if your mum will be entitled to | 0:47:39 | 0:47:43 | |
any of the compensation? She is has
made contact and they said they | 0:47:43 | 0:47:47 | |
would be in touch by the end of the
year. Yes, she does qualify as one | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
of those people.
David, it was a relatively small | 0:47:50 | 0:47:55 | |
amount of money from the Queen's
private estate, just over £3,000 | 0:47:55 | 0:47:58 | |
that ended up in the company behind
BrightHouse. Does the amount of | 0:47:58 | 0:48:03 | |
money matter? It doesn't matter.
It's a small sum, but it looks bad. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:10 | |
It damages the brand. And someone
should have seen that this it would | 0:48:10 | 0:48:15 | |
cause embarrassment. So, it's a
small amount, but the individual | 0:48:15 | 0:48:20 | |
amount is small, but there is about
£10 million invested overall in the | 0:48:20 | 0:48:27 | |
off-shore tax havens so it is part
of a much bigger sum. Do you think | 0:48:27 | 0:48:30 | |
it will lead to greater transparency
and inn what the duchy does with the | 0:48:30 | 0:48:34 | |
Queen's money? I think it will add
to the pressure for Parliament to | 0:48:34 | 0:48:40 | |
try to impose greater scrutiny over
how the duchy is run. In the past, | 0:48:40 | 0:48:45 | |
they have, they have there have been
a few odd Parliamentary Committees | 0:48:45 | 0:48:49 | |
that looked into, but they have not
got a handle on how the money is | 0:48:49 | 0:48:53 | |
spent. Richard, is it possible tond
tax havens? It's difficult. I mean, | 0:48:53 | 0:49:02 | |
the process is beginning, very, very
slowly, but you know the irony is | 0:49:02 | 0:49:06 | |
that we are all, tend to be agreeing
that the Queen's money should not | 0:49:06 | 0:49:10 | |
have been put into a tax haven. I'm
going to interrupt you, sorry. The | 0:49:10 | 0:49:15 | |
Prime Minister, Theresa May, is on
stage at the CBI conference. Let's | 0:49:15 | 0:49:18 | |
listen to what she has to say. | 0:49:18 | 0:49:22 | |
It is a pleasure to be with you
today. Last year I spoke to you | 0:49:22 | 0:49:26 | |
about my belief in a well regulated
free-market economy. I said it was | 0:49:26 | 0:49:32 | |
the very best way to spread
opportunity, and lift people out of | 0:49:32 | 0:49:37 | |
poverty. We should never under
estimate the immense value and | 0:49:37 | 0:49:44 | |
potential of open, innovative,
free-market economies when they | 0:49:44 | 0:49:47 | |
operate under the right rules and
regulations. Around the world, over | 0:49:47 | 0:49:53 | |
the last century, it has been those
countries with well functioning free | 0:49:53 | 0:49:57 | |
markets which have enjoyed the
greatest economic, social and | 0:49:57 | 0:50:03 | |
technological advancements. At its
best when a free and open market | 0:50:03 | 0:50:07 | |
place is combined request the rule
of law, individual freedom, equality | 0:50:07 | 0:50:11 | |
and Human Rights, in a
representative democracy, great | 0:50:11 | 0:50:14 | |
things are possible. People live
longer and more secure lives. They | 0:50:14 | 0:50:19 | |
have the freedom and the means to
fulfil their ambitions and make the | 0:50:19 | 0:50:23 | |
most of their potential. To bring up
their families, care for one another | 0:50:23 | 0:50:27 | |
and give something back to their
local communities and to wider | 0:50:27 | 0:50:31 | |
society.
And I believe that the approach I | 0:50:31 | 0:50:34 | |
set out to this gathering last year,
for a more co-operative partnership | 0:50:34 | 0:50:40 | |
between business and government, is
the right one to build the even | 0:50:40 | 0:50:43 | |
stronger economy we all want to see.
An economy fit fort future. Ready | 0:50:43 | 0:50:51 | |
for the next decade, delivering
greater opportunity and prosperity | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
right across the country. I believe
that the opportunities ahead for our | 0:50:54 | 0:51:00 | |
country are enormous. And the
Government I lead is determined to | 0:51:00 | 0:51:05 | |
support British business in making
the most of them. Over the last 12 | 0:51:05 | 0:51:11 | |
months, I've led trade delegations
to India and Japan. I'm always | 0:51:11 | 0:51:15 | |
hugely impressed by the businesses
and entrepreneurs I take on these | 0:51:15 | 0:51:20 | |
trade trips with me and who I meet
week in and week out and I'm | 0:51:20 | 0:51:23 | |
immensely proud of what they have to
offer international investors. Last | 0:51:23 | 0:51:29 | |
year, Britain enjoyed record levels
of foreign direct investment. Across | 0:51:29 | 0:51:33 | |
the UK, we have seen Toyota announce
a £240 million upgrade to their car | 0:51:33 | 0:51:41 | |
plant in Derbyshire and BMW announce
they will build a fully electric | 0:51:41 | 0:51:45 | |
version of the Mini in Oxford, the
train manufacturer is expected to | 0:51:45 | 0:51:52 | |
create 200 skilled jobs in its new
factory following a £30 million | 0:51:52 | 0:51:56 | |
investment, with the support from
the Department of Trade, Elite in | 0:51:56 | 0:52:03 | |
Enniskillen won contracts worth over
£4.5 million and bus manufacturer t | 0:52:03 | 0:52:08 | |
secured a £44 million deal toks port
double-deckers to Mexico City. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:13 | |
Supporting hundreds of jobs in
Falkirk and Guildford. Here in | 0:52:13 | 0:52:18 | |
London, Google will open a new
London office with £1 billion of | 0:52:18 | 0:52:21 | |
investment. As we celebrate this
good news, we should keep in mind | 0:52:21 | 0:52:27 | |
what it all really means. It is not
simply numbers on a balance sheet, | 0:52:27 | 0:52:35 | |
but an investment in people's
livelihoods, and the economic | 0:52:35 | 0:52:38 | |
security of families across Britain.
It is a vote of confidence in the | 0:52:38 | 0:52:44 | |
UK, in our talents, our skills, and
our infrastructure, and our ideas. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:51 | |
And the reason we want a strong and
thriving economy and successful | 0:52:51 | 0:52:55 | |
businesses is because we want to
help more people to lead full and | 0:52:55 | 0:52:59 | |
happy lives with good quality jobs,
and rising living standards. To | 0:52:59 | 0:53:04 | |
build a country that works for
everyone, and an economy that is fit | 0:53:04 | 0:53:09 | |
for the future. For the last decade,
the biggest economic challenge | 0:53:09 | 0:53:16 | |
facing the Government has been
dealing with the consequences of the | 0:53:16 | 0:53:20 | |
financial crash, and the great
recession which followed it. Thanks | 0:53:20 | 0:53:24 | |
to the innovation and the
entrepreneurship of British | 0:53:24 | 0:53:29 | |
business, the hard work and
sacrifice of the British people and | 0:53:29 | 0:53:32 | |
the Government's clear economic plan
that situation has now been | 0:53:32 | 0:53:35 | |
transformed. The deficit has been
cut by over two-thirds, and the | 0:53:35 | 0:53:40 | |
economy has grown for 19 consecutive
quarters. Since 2010, over three | 0:53:40 | 0:53:46 | |
million more people now have the
security of a job. There are nearly | 0:53:46 | 0:53:52 | |
one million fewer workless
households. 3.4 million new | 0:53:52 | 0:53:56 | |
apprenticeships have begun. Income
equality is at its lowest level | 0:53:56 | 0:54:00 | |
since 1986. And the number of people
living in absolute poverty is at a | 0:54:00 | 0:54:04 | |
record low. British businesses, and
indeed, the CBI itself, can take | 0:54:04 | 0:54:10 | |
their share of credit for what
Britain has achieved in the years | 0:54:10 | 0:54:14 | |
since the financial crisis. But our
job now is to look to the future. If | 0:54:14 | 0:54:23 | |
the last ten years have seen us
weathering the storm of the | 0:54:23 | 0:54:27 | |
financial crisis, and rebuilding our
fiscal and economic position, the | 0:54:27 | 0:54:31 | |
next ten years must see the
beginning of a new chapter in the | 0:54:31 | 0:54:35 | |
story of the British economy.
Because for all our progress there | 0:54:35 | 0:54:39 | |
is still a long way to go. So today,
I want to talk about my vision for | 0:54:39 | 0:54:46 | |
the stronger, fairer, and better
balanced economy we need to build in | 0:54:46 | 0:54:50 | |
the years ahead. The Conservative
Government's plan to deliver this is | 0:54:50 | 0:54:57 | |
very clear - we will get the best
Brexit deal for our country. | 0:54:57 | 0:55:02 | |
Guaranteeing the greatest possible
access to European markets, boosting | 0:55:02 | 0:55:05 | |
free trade across the world, and
delivering control over our borders, | 0:55:05 | 0:55:09 | |
laws and money. We will take a
balanced approach to government | 0:55:09 | 0:55:15 | |
spending, ensuring debt is falling
and at the same time, investing in | 0:55:15 | 0:55:18 | |
our key public services, and keeping
taxes low. We will help businesses | 0:55:18 | 0:55:23 | |
to create more good jobs across the
country, with a modern industry | 0:55:23 | 0:55:28 | |
strategy that invests in the skills,
industries and infrastructure of the | 0:55:28 | 0:55:32 | |
future. We will build the homes our
country needs. Sew everyone can | 0:55:32 | 0:55:37 | |
afford a place to call their own and
all the security that brings. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:42 | |
We will carry on improving standards
in our schools and colleges, so our | 0:55:42 | 0:55:46 | |
young people can get on in life. We
will back the innovators and wealth | 0:55:46 | 0:55:52 | |
creators who deliver growth, jobs
and lower prices, and greater | 0:55:52 | 0:55:56 | |
choices for consumers and step in if
businesses don't play by the rules. | 0:55:56 | 0:56:01 | |
And we will work tirelessly to
tackle the injustices that hold | 0:56:01 | 0:56:06 | |
people back from achieving their
true potential. By following this | 0:56:06 | 0:56:13 | |
plan, a balanced approach to public
spending, the best Brexit deal for | 0:56:13 | 0:56:18 | |
Britain, and active industrial
strategy, more homes, higher | 0:56:18 | 0:56:22 | |
standards in our schools, backing
innovation and wealth creation and | 0:56:22 | 0:56:26 | |
fighting tirelessly against
injustice, we can create a country | 0:56:26 | 0:56:30 | |
with a stronger economy, and a
fairer, more caring society. One | 0:56:30 | 0:56:34 | |
that will guarantee a better future
for the next generation. Central to | 0:56:34 | 0:56:41 | |
this plan is our modern industrial
strategy. The Government will be | 0:56:41 | 0:56:47 | |
publishing our industrial strategy
White Paper later this month and we | 0:56:47 | 0:56:50 | |
will speak in more detail about it
then. But let me just set out today | 0:56:50 | 0:56:54 | |
some of the underlying principles
which are driving our work. For a | 0:56:54 | 0:57:00 | |
free-market economy to succeed in
delivering economic and social | 0:57:00 | 0:57:04 | |
progress for everyone, the
Government has a vital role to play. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:09 | |
That starts by setting the right
rules, and making sure they are | 0:57:09 | 0:57:13 | |
adhered to. And some say it's role
should end there too. But I believe | 0:57:13 | 0:57:20 | |
the proper role of government goes
beyond that. Through how it invests | 0:57:20 | 0:57:26 | |
public funds, how it provides an
education system for the next | 0:57:26 | 0:57:29 | |
generation, how it commits to
long-term goals and how it supports | 0:57:29 | 0:57:37 | |
business, people and places, a
strategic state has a major | 0:57:37 | 0:57:39 | |
influence on the economy. In
exerting that influence, governments | 0:57:39 | 0:57:44 | |
must inevitably make choices and in
a democracy, be held to account for | 0:57:44 | 0:57:48 | |
them. The choice which this
government makes is to deploy this | 0:57:48 | 0:57:55 | |
influence in a thought through way,
taking decisions for the long-term | 0:57:55 | 0:57:58 | |
because while the power and
potential of the market is immense, | 0:57:58 | 0:58:02 | |
I also strongly believe in the good
that government can do. | 0:58:02 | 0:58:07 | |
We've already seen this approach
work for one sector of the economy, | 0:58:07 | 0:58:11 | |
the financial services sector. Over
decades, governments of all parties, | 0:58:11 | 0:58:16 | |
pursued the aim of making the UK the
world's centre for financial | 0:58:16 | 0:58:21 | |
services. They worked with business
to set a clear, long-term framework | 0:58:21 | 0:58:25 | |
for the sector to succeed and it now
accounts for 7.2% of the British | 0:58:25 | 0:58:30 | |
economy. It contributes over £70
billion to the exchequer annually | 0:58:30 | 0:58:35 | |
and employs over one million people
across the UK. Here in London, yes, | 0:58:35 | 0:58:39 | |
but also in Edinburgh, Cardiff,
Bournemouth, Leeds and in other | 0:58:39 | 0:58:42 | |
towns and cities.
And when the regulatory structures | 0:58:42 | 0:58:47 | |
governments put in place fail, and
the irresponsible practises of a | 0:58:47 | 0:58:52 | |
minority damage the economy as a
whole, as happened during the | 0:58:52 | 0:58:57 | |
financial crisis, government has a
duty to step in. When British banks | 0:58:57 | 0:59:01 | |
suffered during that crisis,
government did not turn its back on | 0:59:01 | 0:59:06 | |
the sector wasting decades of effort
and forfeiting our global position, | 0:59:06 | 0:59:11 | |
instead we were steadfast in our
commitment to fixing things and | 0:59:11 | 0:59:15 | |
making the sector even stronger than
before. Government worked to create | 0:59:15 | 0:59:20 | |
a more stable and defective
regulatory framework and in doing | 0:59:20 | 0:59:26 | |
so, strengthened resilience and
reputation of the UK's financial | 0:59:26 | 0:59:28 | |
sector and contributed to the
strengthening of the global | 0:59:28 | 0:59:31 | |
financial system. This has been a
success story for Britain and that | 0:59:31 | 0:59:37 | |
success has been enabled by
strategic support from government. | 0:59:37 | 0:59:41 | |
And a long-term commitment from
Conservative, and a previous | 0:59:41 | 0:59:45 | |
generation of Labour politicians to
provide certainty and follow | 0:59:45 | 0:59:47 | |
through. That model, a strategic
long-term partnership between | 0:59:47 | 0:59:54 | |
government and a vital sector,
effective and evolving regulatory | 0:59:54 | 0:59:59 | |
frameworks and incentives, has led
to global pre-eminence for the UK. | 0:59:59 | 1:00:03 | |
Good quality jobs across the
country, and tax revenue to fund | 1:00:03 | 1:00:08 | |
vital public services like schools
and hospitals. By setting the right | 1:00:08 | 1:00:13 | |
frameworks, and investing in skills
and infrastructure, we can help | 1:00:13 | 1:00:18 | |
broaden our economic base. Build a
more balanced economy, and make | 1:00:18 | 1:00:23 | |
Britain a true global leader. Of
course, we cannot and we will not | 1:00:23 | 1:00:27 | |
try to make a plan for every corner
of our economy. We believe in the | 1:00:27 | 1:00:32 | |
free-market and won't attempt to
shield the economy from market | 1:00:32 | 1:00:35 | |
forces. So we will have to make
strategic decisions about whether | 1:00:35 | 1:00:41 | |
government can and where it cannot
best support key sectors of our | 1:00:41 | 1:00:44 | |
economy. Such an approach avoids the
failed state interventionism of the | 1:00:44 | 1:00:51 | |
1970s. But it also learns from the
past failures of governments to give | 1:00:51 | 1:00:55 | |
sectors and places across the
country the long-term support they | 1:00:55 | 1:00:59 | |
need to cope with economic change
and compete in a changing glopeble | 1:00:59 | 1:01:04 | |
market place. | 1:01:04 | 1:01:08 | |
As we take the industrial strategy
forward, I want the CBI and | 1:01:08 | 1:01:13 | |
businesses represented here to work
as local enterprise partnerships and | 1:01:13 | 1:01:17 | |
elected mayors to ensure all parts
of our country benefit. Our approach | 1:01:17 | 1:01:22 | |
to industrial strategy reflects our
ambitions for the British economy as | 1:01:22 | 1:01:27 | |
we leave the European Union. A more
productive, dynamic, innovative | 1:01:27 | 1:01:33 | |
world leading economy, which
embraces technological change and is | 1:01:33 | 1:01:35 | |
globally focused. In my Florence
speech in September, I made a | 1:01:35 | 1:01:42 | |
generous offer to our European
partners. I am pleased EU leaders | 1:01:42 | 1:01:47 | |
responded to it positively. The
council acknowledged the progress we | 1:01:47 | 1:01:51 | |
have made and called for a further
acceleration. Since I spoke in | 1:01:51 | 1:01:56 | |
Florence, I am pleased there has
been further progress on citizens | 1:01:56 | 1:02:01 | |
rights, including an agreement on
reciprocal health care and pensions | 1:02:01 | 1:02:04 | |
and further alignment on a range of
social security rights. Our EU | 1:02:04 | 1:02:11 | |
negotiating team is now preparing
for the next phase. I particularly | 1:02:11 | 1:02:17 | |
welcome the beginning of internal
discussions among the EU 27 about | 1:02:17 | 1:02:20 | |
their position on our future
relationship and the implementation | 1:02:20 | 1:02:23 | |
period. When sufficient progress has
been agreed, we want to move as | 1:02:23 | 1:02:28 | |
quickly as possible on both of these
issues. Throughout this process, I | 1:02:28 | 1:02:33 | |
have been determined to give
business and industry as much | 1:02:33 | 1:02:36 | |
certainty as possible. Achieving
that maximum certainty was the first | 1:02:36 | 1:02:41 | |
objective I sat in my Lancaster
house speech in January. It has | 1:02:41 | 1:02:46 | |
remained fundamental to our
negotiations to date. We want to | 1:02:46 | 1:02:52 | |
forge an ambitious economic
partnership out of the single market | 1:02:52 | 1:02:54 | |
but with a new balance of rights and
responsibilities between us and the | 1:02:54 | 1:02:59 | |
European Union. One which respects
the freedoms and principles of the | 1:02:59 | 1:03:04 | |
EU, and the wishes of the British
people. We should be excited by the | 1:03:04 | 1:03:10 | |
possibilities which this new
relationship presents for the | 1:03:10 | 1:03:12 | |
future. Just as we are realistic in
acknowledging that it will take time | 1:03:12 | 1:03:16 | |
to finalise. I have made clear that
a strictly time-limited | 1:03:16 | 1:03:23 | |
implementation period will be
crucial to our future success. I | 1:03:23 | 1:03:26 | |
know how important it is for
business and industry not to face a | 1:03:26 | 1:03:30 | |
cliff edge and to have the time it
needs to plan and prepare for new | 1:03:30 | 1:03:35 | |
arrangements. During this period,
our access to one another's market | 1:03:35 | 1:03:39 | |
should continue on current terms,
and I want us to agree a detailed | 1:03:39 | 1:03:44 | |
arrangements for the period as early
as possible. But we should also be | 1:03:44 | 1:03:50 | |
able to develop our relationships
with countries outside the EU in new | 1:03:50 | 1:03:54 | |
ways, including through our own
trade negotiations throughout the | 1:03:54 | 1:03:57 | |
world. And that world is changing in
profound ways. The technologies | 1:03:57 | 1:04:04 | |
which are emerging today will have
as profound an impact on our economy | 1:04:04 | 1:04:07 | |
and lives in the 2020 Horrell and
2030s is the Internet and smart | 1:04:07 | 1:04:13 | |
technology have over the last 20
years. Britain is already a world | 1:04:13 | 1:04:19 | |
leader in a number of fields. The UK
is ideally placed to be the world's | 1:04:19 | 1:04:25 | |
hub. In artificial intelligence, I
believe Dame Wendy Hall and Jerome's | 1:04:25 | 1:04:38 | |
independent review into the sector
argued that we should seek to make | 1:04:38 | 1:04:44 | |
the UK the best place in the world
for artificial intelligence | 1:04:44 | 1:04:47 | |
businesses to develop, start, grow
and thrive. The economy fit for the | 1:04:47 | 1:04:52 | |
future which we must build over the
next decade, will be driven by | 1:04:52 | 1:04:57 | |
science and innovation. As well as
supporting economic growth and | 1:04:57 | 1:05:00 | |
helping to create good jobs of the
future, scientific and technological | 1:05:00 | 1:05:05 | |
advancements also have the potential
to transform and improve our lives, | 1:05:05 | 1:05:10 | |
with life-saving medicines, new
sources of clean energy and | 1:05:10 | 1:05:14 | |
breakthroughs in digital technology
that we use everyday. Last year at | 1:05:14 | 1:05:18 | |
this conference I committed to a
record increase in public spending | 1:05:18 | 1:05:23 | |
on research and development with an
£2 billion by 2021. I want to make | 1:05:23 | 1:05:35 | |
Britain a international centre for
the transformative technologies of | 1:05:35 | 1:05:37 | |
the future. We are playing our part
by increasing public sector support | 1:05:37 | 1:05:41 | |
for research and develop it to
record. Levels. We will say more in | 1:05:41 | 1:05:51 | |
the industrial White Paper. Today I
put the challenge to you and to | 1:05:51 | 1:05:55 | |
industry across the UK to do the
same. Because the immense benefits | 1:05:55 | 1:06:04 | |
that investment in research and
development can bring you will | 1:06:04 | 1:06:10 | |
develop the products and services
that will convert scientific | 1:06:10 | 1:06:13 | |
discovery into real improvements in
people's daily lives. Today, for | 1:06:13 | 1:06:18 | |
everyone pound of government support
for research and development, | 1:06:18 | 1:06:20 | |
British businesses invest around £1
70. But in America businesses invest | 1:06:20 | 1:06:27 | |
around £2 70, and German businesses
invest around £2 40. So I want you | 1:06:27 | 1:06:34 | |
to work with us to drive up business
investment. To help develop the next | 1:06:34 | 1:06:41 | |
generation of technology is here in
the UK so we can deliver more good | 1:06:41 | 1:06:44 | |
jobs across the country and improve
living standards for everyone. This | 1:06:44 | 1:06:49 | |
is a goal we all share and one I
know the CBI has long campaigned | 1:06:49 | 1:06:54 | |
for. And Britain has always been at
the cutting edge, the birthplace of | 1:06:54 | 1:06:59 | |
the first Industrial Revolution, the
home of more Nobel prizewinners than | 1:06:59 | 1:07:05 | |
any country outside the United
States. We must see these coming | 1:07:05 | 1:07:09 | |
technologies as forces for good with
huge potential for our economy and | 1:07:09 | 1:07:12 | |
society. For our industrial
strategy, the government will help | 1:07:12 | 1:07:18 | |
ensure Britain makes the most of
them. As is our duty, we will also | 1:07:18 | 1:07:24 | |
work with and support those who are
disrupted by that change as well. | 1:07:24 | 1:07:31 | |
That will mean ensuring the UK has
modern and efficient infrastructure | 1:07:31 | 1:07:35 | |
which delivers for taxpayers and
businesses across the UK. Add | 1:07:35 | 1:07:39 | |
considerable progress has already
been made. More than a quarter of £1 | 1:07:39 | 1:07:44 | |
trillion has been invested in UK
infrastructure since 2010. We are | 1:07:44 | 1:07:52 | |
getting impartial expert advice on
crucial decisions of the future. As | 1:07:52 | 1:07:57 | |
well as investing in the physical
infrastructure, we also have a duty | 1:07:57 | 1:08:00 | |
to invest in the skills of our
workforce. For too long, technical | 1:08:00 | 1:08:06 | |
education in this country was
regarded as second best and our | 1:08:06 | 1:08:09 | |
economy suffered as a result. We are
changing this. Our new T levels | 1:08:09 | 1:08:18 | |
backed by substantial funding will
overturn education levels in | 1:08:18 | 1:08:27 | |
England. We will cover digital,
construction and education and | 1:08:27 | 1:08:33 | |
childcare. These will be of
equivalent status to a levels and | 1:08:33 | 1:08:37 | |
will give young people who want to
pursue a technical career a better | 1:08:37 | 1:08:40 | |
and clearer path to follow. But
improving our offer on technical | 1:08:40 | 1:08:45 | |
education takes nothing away from
the importance of higher education. | 1:08:45 | 1:08:49 | |
I want to see more people from more
diverse backgrounds, both going on | 1:08:49 | 1:08:54 | |
to university and enjoying the
benefits of higher-level study of | 1:08:54 | 1:08:59 | |
all kinds. Our international
competitors are producing more and | 1:08:59 | 1:09:04 | |
more skilled workers and we need to
do the same. These are exciting | 1:09:04 | 1:09:09 | |
times for our country. I am
optimistic about the future we can | 1:09:09 | 1:09:12 | |
build for our young people if we
continue to press ahead with our | 1:09:12 | 1:09:16 | |
reforms. Better schools, improve
technical education and more | 1:09:16 | 1:09:20 | |
accessible universities, giving
everyone the chance to get on in | 1:09:20 | 1:09:24 | |
life with a good quality job, the
chance to get a secure home and | 1:09:24 | 1:09:30 | |
raise a family. That's what our
industrial strategy is there to | 1:09:30 | 1:09:32 | |
deliver. I have talked this morning
about how government and business | 1:09:32 | 1:09:40 | |
can work together, to pursue a
modern industrial strategy and build | 1:09:40 | 1:09:43 | |
an economy that is fit for the
future. But gathered here today, we | 1:09:43 | 1:09:50 | |
cannot ignore the ongoing
allegations of serious abuse and | 1:09:50 | 1:09:54 | |
harassment in Parliament and across
Westminster. As representatives of | 1:09:54 | 1:10:00 | |
British business, you know that your
firm 's only truly succeed when you | 1:10:00 | 1:10:05 | |
provide safe, secure and
professional environments for your | 1:10:05 | 1:10:11 | |
employees. Parliament and Whitehall
are special places in our democracy, | 1:10:11 | 1:10:14 | |
but they are also places of work,
too. And exactly the same standards | 1:10:14 | 1:10:19 | |
and norms should govern them as
govern any other workplace. What has | 1:10:19 | 1:10:25 | |
been revealed over the last few
weeks has been deeply troubling, and | 1:10:25 | 1:10:29 | |
has understandably led to
significant public unease. Women and | 1:10:29 | 1:10:34 | |
men should be able to work free from
the threat or fear of harassment, | 1:10:34 | 1:10:41 | |
bullying and intimidation. But for
too long the powerful have been able | 1:10:41 | 1:10:44 | |
to abuse their power and their
victims have not been able to speak | 1:10:44 | 1:10:47 | |
out. Let me be very frank, political
parties have not always got this | 1:10:47 | 1:10:52 | |
right in the past. But I am
determined to get it right for the | 1:10:52 | 1:10:56 | |
future. So I have already published
a new code of conduct and grievance | 1:10:56 | 1:11:02 | |
procedure for the Conservative
Party, which will apply to all | 1:11:02 | 1:11:06 | |
conservative officeholders and
representatives. It sets out the | 1:11:06 | 1:11:10 | |
high standards we expect and the
procedure we will follow to deal | 1:11:10 | 1:11:14 | |
effectively with complaints. And
later today I will convene a meeting | 1:11:14 | 1:11:18 | |
with my fellow party leaders to
discuss establishing a new common, | 1:11:18 | 1:11:24 | |
robust grievance procedure for
Parliament. Because those working | 1:11:24 | 1:11:27 | |
for members of Parliament should not
have to navigate different party | 1:11:27 | 1:11:31 | |
systems depending on their
employer's political affiliation. We | 1:11:31 | 1:11:35 | |
need to establish a new culture of
respect at the centre of our public | 1:11:35 | 1:11:40 | |
life. One in which everyone can feel
confident that they are working in a | 1:11:40 | 1:11:46 | |
safe and secure environment, where
complaints can be brought forward | 1:11:46 | 1:11:49 | |
without prejudice, and victims know
that these complaints will be | 1:11:49 | 1:11:52 | |
investigated properly. And where
people's careers cannot be damaged | 1:11:52 | 1:11:59 | |
by unfounded rumours circulated
anonymously online. Of course, | 1:11:59 | 1:12:04 | |
people can be friends with their
colleagues and consensual | 1:12:04 | 1:12:07 | |
relationships can develop at work.
This is not about prying into | 1:12:07 | 1:12:11 | |
private lives. What we are talking
about is the use and abuse of power. | 1:12:11 | 1:12:18 | |
We must stand up for all the victims
of abuse, harassment or | 1:12:18 | 1:12:22 | |
discrimination wherever it has
occurred. Now is the time to act | 1:12:22 | 1:12:27 | |
decisively, without fear or favour,
to guarantee a safe and respectful | 1:12:27 | 1:12:32 | |
working environment for everyone in
the future. As we look ahead to the | 1:12:32 | 1:12:39 | |
next ten years of Britain's economy,
we should do so as rational | 1:12:39 | 1:12:44 | |
optimists, there are huge
opportunities ahead, making the most | 1:12:44 | 1:12:47 | |
of them will demand hard work,
imagination and commitment. But | 1:12:47 | 1:12:52 | |
Britain has succeeded in the past
where we have been confident in our | 1:12:52 | 1:12:56 | |
strengths and bold in our action.
When we have backed the ambition of | 1:12:56 | 1:13:02 | |
our wealth creators, who use their
talent, hard work and skill to take | 1:13:02 | 1:13:06 | |
a chance, to grow a business, and to
spread economic opportunity to | 1:13:06 | 1:13:11 | |
others. With the right economic
foundations, a balanced approach to | 1:13:11 | 1:13:16 | |
public spending, and the best Brexit
deal for Britain, the right | 1:13:16 | 1:13:24 | |
long-term incentives or business and
our wealth creators, given the | 1:13:24 | 1:13:26 | |
freedom and support to and thrive,
and with government playing a proper | 1:13:26 | 1:13:30 | |
strategic role in support of growth
across the United Kingdom, I am | 1:13:30 | 1:13:35 | |
convinced we can and will make the
most of those opportunities and | 1:13:35 | 1:13:39 | |
build a better future for everyone
in our country. Thank you. STUDIO: | 1:13:39 | 1:13:47 | |
Theresa May describing the sexual
harassment and abuse revelations in | 1:13:47 | 1:13:51 | |
recent weeks as deeply troubling.
She says for too long the powerful | 1:13:51 | 1:13:54 | |
have been able to abuse that power.
And we need to establish a new | 1:13:54 | 1:13:58 | |
culture of respect. She will take
some questions now. If you would | 1:13:58 | 1:14:02 | |
like to put your hands up, I will
take the red paddle over there. The | 1:14:02 | 1:14:16 | |
Guardian newspaper, your predecessor
David Cameron said aggressive tax | 1:14:16 | 1:14:20 | |
avoidance was not morally
acceptable. And you said you want an | 1:14:20 | 1:14:24 | |
economy that works not just for the
privileged few. Will you finish that | 1:14:24 | 1:14:28 | |
work and insist British tax havens
create public registers of who owns | 1:14:28 | 1:14:34 | |
offshore companies and trusts, and
will you announce a public enquiry | 1:14:34 | 1:14:38 | |
into aggressive tax avoidance? We
have been continuing the work David | 1:14:38 | 1:14:42 | |
Cameron started. He started it not
just for the UK but on the | 1:14:42 | 1:14:46 | |
international stage as well. That is
important. We have been seen more | 1:14:46 | 1:14:51 | |
revenues come to HMRC over the last
few years, since 2010, 100 and £60 | 1:14:51 | 1:14:57 | |
billion extra that they have been
able to raise. There is already work | 1:14:57 | 1:15:03 | |
done to ensure we see greater
transparency in our dependencies and | 1:15:03 | 1:15:08 | |
British Overseas Territories, and we
continue to work with them. HMRC is | 1:15:08 | 1:15:13 | |
already able to seek more
information about the ownership of | 1:15:13 | 1:15:17 | |
shell companies, for example, so
they can ensure people are paying | 1:15:17 | 1:15:20 | |
their tax. We want people to pay the
tax that is due. The blue paddle. | 1:15:20 | 1:15:30 | |
Angela Middleton. We but people in
diverse jobs. There are so many | 1:15:30 | 1:15:42 | |
opportunities now, but what can we
as businesses do to build aspiration | 1:15:42 | 1:15:46 | |
in young people and excite them
about their future? STUDIO: We will | 1:15:46 | 1:15:50 | |
leave Theresa May, she has been
addressing the CBI annual | 1:15:50 | 1:15:53 | |
conference. She talked about Brexit,
as well as sexual harassment and | 1:15:53 | 1:15:58 | |
abuse. I'm Brexit she says she will
avoid a cliff edge exit. She calls | 1:15:58 | 1:16:03 | |
it an implementation period.
Everybody else calls it a transition | 1:16:03 | 1:16:06 | |
period. She says it will be time
limited because businesses need | 1:16:06 | 1:16:09 | |
security. On sexual abuse and
harassment she says the revelations | 1:16:09 | 1:16:14 | |
of recent weeks have been deeply
troubling and we need to establish a | 1:16:14 | 1:16:17 | |
new culture of respect. And we are
talking about the use and abuse of | 1:16:17 | 1:16:22 | |
power, and now is the time to act.
She has a meeting tonight with the | 1:16:22 | 1:16:27 | |
other Westminster party leaders
where they will discuss it further. | 1:16:27 | 1:16:30 | |
We have been asking you if you think
it is a tipping point in our society | 1:16:34 | 1:16:38 | |
when it comes to sexual harassment
and abuse. Susan wants to point out | 1:16:38 | 1:16:44 | |
that we this thing is not confined
to the entertainment and political | 1:16:44 | 1:16:49 | |
arena. She said, "I have worked in
an office and I have been subject to | 1:16:49 | 1:16:53 | |
this behaviour in almost every job I
have had. Women who complain are | 1:16:53 | 1:17:00 | |
regarded as troublemakers. Let's
give working women a voice at last." | 1:17:00 | 1:17:08 | |
David says, "These behaviours are
not acceptable anywhere in our | 1:17:08 | 1:17:10 | |
society and not just in Parliament."
There is one on Strictly which he'll | 1:17:10 | 1:17:14 | |
read later. | 1:17:14 | 1:17:17 | |
At least 26 people have been killed
and 20 others wounded after a gunman | 1:17:19 | 1:17:22 | |
opened fire at a Texas church
during Sunday service. | 1:17:22 | 1:17:28 | |
The attack happened
at the First Baptist Church | 1:17:28 | 1:17:30 | |
in Sutherland Springs,
a small town in Wilson County. | 1:17:30 | 1:17:32 | |
The victims' ages
range from five to 72. | 1:17:32 | 1:17:40 | |
One man told how he chased the
gunman after seeing two men | 1:17:40 | 1:17:45 | |
exchanging gunfire outside the
church. | 1:17:45 | 1:17:51 | |
Speaking to an American reporter,
Johnnie Langendorff | 1:17:51 | 1:17:53 | |
described his reaction. | 1:17:53 | 1:17:54 | |
They said there is a shooting. I
pursued and I just did what I | 1:17:54 | 1:18:00 | |
thought was the right thing. You
know there were more weapons in that | 1:18:00 | 1:18:04 | |
car. You possibly stopped from
killing other people. I didn't know | 1:18:04 | 1:18:08 | |
that. | 1:18:08 | 1:18:09 | |
President Donald Trump,
who is on a tour of Asia, | 1:18:09 | 1:18:12 | |
has reacted to news of the shooting. | 1:18:12 | 1:18:13 | |
The president described the gunman
as "a very deranged individual" | 1:18:13 | 1:18:16 | |
and denied that guns were to blame
for the shooting. | 1:18:16 | 1:18:18 | |
I think that mental health is your
problem here. This was a very based | 1:18:18 | 1:18:22 | |
on preliminary reports, very
deranged individual. A lot of | 1:18:22 | 1:18:24 | |
problems over a long period of time.
We have a lot of mental health | 1:18:24 | 1:18:28 | |
problems in our country as do other
countries, but this isn't a guns | 1:18:28 | 1:18:34 | |
situation. I mean we could go into
it, but it's a little bit soon to go | 1:18:34 | 1:18:39 | |
into it, but fortunately somebody
else had a gun that was shooting | 1:18:39 | 1:18:43 | |
this the opposite direction
otherwise it would have been much | 1:18:43 | 1:18:45 | |
worse. | 1:18:45 | 1:18:47 | |
We can discuss this
now with Peter Ling, | 1:18:47 | 1:18:49 | |
a Professor in American Studies
at the University of of Nottingham. | 1:18:49 | 1:18:52 | |
Hello Peter. You say this is really
about mental health and that people | 1:18:52 | 1:18:56 | |
with certain mental health issues
should not have access to guns. How | 1:18:56 | 1:18:59 | |
would you go about enforcing that?
Well, this is all part of a | 1:18:59 | 1:19:03 | |
screening process that you should
actually have to be screened before | 1:19:03 | 1:19:06 | |
you are allowed to have a firearm in
the United States, the right to bear | 1:19:06 | 1:19:12 | |
arms is constitutionally protected
so you can't have the kind of | 1:19:12 | 1:19:15 | |
screening that would be the case in
Australia or this country, but Trump | 1:19:15 | 1:19:18 | |
is speaking to the people who voted
for him. They wanted him to protect | 1:19:18 | 1:19:22 | |
them in their rights. They think the
State is bad. And gun control, like | 1:19:22 | 1:19:27 | |
environmental protection, like
health care, is a power grab by the | 1:19:27 | 1:19:30 | |
State and so, this is why he has
come out in the way he has to path | 1:19:30 | 1:19:36 | |
old jaouz the shooter. He is mad and
therefore, we can't legislate | 1:19:36 | 1:19:39 | |
against madness. Sorry who, is mad?
The shooter. In the eyes of Donald | 1:19:39 | 1:19:45 | |
Trump, we don't need to do anything
because the gunman was mad and you | 1:19:45 | 1:19:50 | |
can't legislate against madness. Can
you explain why if someone drives a | 1:19:50 | 1:19:54 | |
vehicle to crowds of people on a
pavement it is described as | 1:19:54 | 1:19:58 | |
terrorism, but if someone goes into
a church and shoots 27 people dead, | 1:19:58 | 1:20:01 | |
it isn't? Well, we don't know what
the motivation of this person was, | 1:20:01 | 1:20:08 | |
but in the United States, there
tends to be the view that domestic | 1:20:08 | 1:20:14 | |
mass shootings are driven by
personal matters whereas these kinds | 1:20:14 | 1:20:18 | |
of attacks, using other weapons are
driven by ideology. | 1:20:18 | 1:20:22 | |
Do you think there is any chance at
all President Trump might shift his | 1:20:22 | 1:20:28 | |
stance because he has changed his
views, his stance, in relation to | 1:20:28 | 1:20:33 | |
China for example ornate owe, might
it happen with guns? No, I think | 1:20:33 | 1:20:38 | |
there is too much invested in his
wing of the party in defending the | 1:20:38 | 1:20:43 | |
right to bear arms and that as I
said earlier, they do regard gun | 1:20:43 | 1:20:47 | |
control as one of the ways in which
the State tries to expand its power | 1:20:47 | 1:20:51 | |
and they are very hostile to that
idea of an expanded State. The only | 1:20:51 | 1:20:55 | |
possibility would be if the national
security interest was so acute that | 1:20:55 | 1:21:01 | |
they needed to regulate the flow of
high powered weaponry to terrorist | 1:21:01 | 1:21:07 | |
groups. Thank you very much,
Professor Peter Ling. | 1:21:07 | 1:21:16 | |
Still to come: "It felt like no-one
was there for me and no one cared. | 1:21:16 | 1:21:20 | |
I was crying myself
to sleep every night." | 1:21:20 | 1:21:22 | |
The words of one man
who grow up in care. | 1:21:22 | 1:21:24 | |
The Children's Commisioner tells us
why it's key there's more | 1:21:24 | 1:21:27 | |
mental health support
for looked after children. | 1:21:27 | 1:21:30 | |
For too long the powerful have been
able to abuse their power - | 1:21:30 | 1:21:33 | |
the words of Prime Minister Theresa
May in the last few minutes. | 1:21:33 | 1:21:36 | |
This morning we've revealed that
a former Conservative Party activist | 1:21:36 | 1:21:39 | |
who informed the House of Commons
authorities of an alleged | 1:21:39 | 1:21:42 | |
rape says her complaints
were completely ignored. | 1:21:42 | 1:21:46 | |
In an exclusive interview,
a woman who we're calling "Amanda" | 1:21:46 | 1:21:49 | |
told this programme she asked
the Commons clerk to raise concerns | 1:21:49 | 1:21:53 | |
about the "toxic" Westminster
culture with senior Tories. | 1:21:53 | 1:21:58 | |
She tells us, quote "Parliamentary
authorities let me know | 1:21:58 | 1:22:00 | |
that they were passing it
on to the Chief Whip | 1:22:00 | 1:22:03 | |
who was Gavin Williamson at that
time and the leader of the House, | 1:22:03 | 1:22:05 | |
Andrea Leadsom". | 1:22:05 | 1:22:08 | |
But she didn't hear
anything more from anyone. | 1:22:08 | 1:22:13 | |
Gavin Williamson, now
the new Defence Secretary, insists | 1:22:13 | 1:22:18 | |
nothing was ever reported to him,
adding, "If it was, we would take | 1:22:18 | 1:22:21 | |
an allegation of this nature
extremely seriously." | 1:22:21 | 1:22:23 | |
Amanda's concerns about the culture
- but not the rape - | 1:22:23 | 1:22:25 | |
were passed to the Leader
of the House of Commons Andrea | 1:22:25 | 1:22:28 | |
Leadsom - but no one can
confirm what happened next. | 1:22:28 | 1:22:31 | |
The Commons clerk says he did not
formally report the rape allegation | 1:22:31 | 1:22:35 | |
as there was already
a criminal case. | 1:22:35 | 1:22:38 | |
We bought you Catrin Nye's
exclusive report earlier, | 1:22:38 | 1:22:40 | |
here's a short extract. | 1:22:40 | 1:22:42 | |
I was raped by someone senior to me
in the Conservative Party. | 1:22:42 | 1:22:48 | |
It was violent, it wasn't
in Westminster, and it | 1:22:48 | 1:22:50 | |
shouldn't have happened. | 1:22:50 | 1:22:51 | |
And I remember the attack,
during the attack, I remember | 1:22:51 | 1:22:55 | |
the room disappearing around me
and thinking I was going to die. | 1:22:55 | 1:23:02 | |
When he left the next
day, I was at a police | 1:23:02 | 1:23:05 | |
station within an hour. | 1:23:05 | 1:23:07 | |
And I reported it. | 1:23:07 | 1:23:11 | |
The criminal case progressed
and was due to go to trial. | 1:23:11 | 1:23:15 | |
Amanda, whose name we've changed
to protect the identity of both | 1:23:15 | 1:23:18 | |
parties, says she decided she wanted
to talk to Commons officials | 1:23:18 | 1:23:20 | |
about her alleged rape and how
she felt the culture of Westminster | 1:23:20 | 1:23:23 | |
contributed to it. | 1:23:23 | 1:23:26 | |
We've confirmed that she had
a 25 minute conversation | 1:23:26 | 1:23:30 | |
with the House of Commons clerk. | 1:23:30 | 1:23:33 | |
Parliamentary authorities let me
know that they were passing it | 1:23:33 | 1:23:37 | |
on to the Chief Whip,
who was Gavin Williamson at that | 1:23:37 | 1:23:40 | |
time, and the leader
of the House, Andrea Leadsom. | 1:23:40 | 1:23:42 | |
But that was never followed up. | 1:23:42 | 1:23:46 | |
As Chief Whip, Gavin Williamson
was in charge of the conduct of MPs, | 1:23:46 | 1:23:49 | |
and Andrea Leadsom was in charge
of the day-to-day | 1:23:49 | 1:23:51 | |
workings of the Commons. | 1:23:51 | 1:23:53 | |
Amanda says she left that
conversation believing she had | 1:23:53 | 1:23:55 | |
secured a meeting with them. | 1:23:55 | 1:23:58 | |
The clerk of the House of Commons
refused to tell us who he spoke | 1:23:58 | 1:24:01 | |
to about what he'd been told,
but did say that Amanda's views | 1:24:01 | 1:24:04 | |
on the culture in Parliament only
were informally reported onwards | 1:24:04 | 1:24:10 | |
and were acted on -
though no-one will tell us how | 1:24:10 | 1:24:13 | |
exactly it was acted on and Amanda
was not told either. | 1:24:13 | 1:24:16 | |
We've confirmed that
concerns about the culture | 1:24:16 | 1:24:17 | |
were passed to Andrea Leadsom,
but both Leadsom and Williamson | 1:24:17 | 1:24:20 | |
insist they were not told
about the rape claims. | 1:24:20 | 1:24:24 | |
Senior Conservatives say they're
shocked the allegations did not | 1:24:24 | 1:24:26 | |
reach the Chief Whip's office. | 1:24:26 | 1:24:31 | |
I never received contact
from either of them. | 1:24:31 | 1:24:33 | |
The Parliamentary authorities never
followed it up with me either. | 1:24:33 | 1:24:35 | |
I've heard nothing. | 1:24:35 | 1:24:38 | |
How did that make you feel? | 1:24:38 | 1:24:41 | |
Worthless. | 1:24:41 | 1:24:42 | |
As if my experience
wasn't important. | 1:24:42 | 1:24:46 | |
And how do you feel about
the culture in Westminster now? | 1:24:46 | 1:24:50 | |
It's toxic. | 1:24:50 | 1:24:54 | |
It is not a place I would advise any
young, particularly young women, | 1:24:54 | 1:24:58 | |
but young people as a whole
to get into. | 1:24:58 | 1:25:02 | |
Heavy drinking, sex driven. | 1:25:02 | 1:25:08 | |
Very much... | 1:25:08 | 1:25:12 | |
Self-interested. | 1:25:12 | 1:25:14 | |
You really think it's that bad? | 1:25:14 | 1:25:16 | |
Yeah. | 1:25:16 | 1:25:17 | |
Yeah. | 1:25:17 | 1:25:19 | |
I don't think it's that bad,
I know it's that bad. | 1:25:19 | 1:25:22 | |
I mean, I've had men
stick their hands up my skirt, | 1:25:22 | 1:25:24 | |
I've had men ply me with so much
drink, again, that | 1:25:24 | 1:25:27 | |
I couldn't stand up. | 1:25:27 | 1:25:29 | |
The man Amanda had accused of rape,
who was not an MP, strongly | 1:25:29 | 1:25:32 | |
denied the allegation,
and the case was eventually dropped | 1:25:32 | 1:25:34 | |
after a review of the evidence. | 1:25:34 | 1:25:37 | |
But when she told the Parliamentary
authorities about it, | 1:25:37 | 1:25:39 | |
and her concerns about the culture,
the case was due to go to trial, | 1:25:39 | 1:25:42 | |
and she says she was ignored -
despite their obvious seriousness. | 1:25:42 | 1:25:50 | |
Why didn't you do something? | 1:25:50 | 1:25:51 | |
Why? | 1:25:51 | 1:25:54 | |
Amanda isn't alone. | 1:25:54 | 1:25:58 | |
Over the past two weeks
we have heard allegations | 1:25:58 | 1:26:00 | |
of inappropriate behaviour
across the political parties. | 1:26:00 | 1:26:03 | |
In the Conservative Party,
Sir Michael Fallon was the first | 1:26:03 | 1:26:05 | |
minister to go following allegations
of inappropriate behaviour. | 1:26:05 | 1:26:11 | |
He acknowledged as Defence
Secretary his behaviour had | 1:26:11 | 1:26:13 | |
"fallen below the high
standards of life" required | 1:26:13 | 1:26:15 | |
in his role. | 1:26:15 | 1:26:22 | |
Damian Green, who's effectively
Theresa May's deputy, | 1:26:22 | 1:26:24 | |
has denied a claim that police found
pornography on his computer | 1:26:24 | 1:26:26 | |
during a raid on his
Westminster office in 2008. | 1:26:26 | 1:26:29 | |
He has said ex-police chief
Bob Quick's claims in a Sunday | 1:26:29 | 1:26:31 | |
newspaper were "completely untrue"
and "political smears". | 1:26:31 | 1:26:36 | |
He is also facing claims
he fleetingly touched | 1:26:36 | 1:26:39 | |
a younger woman's knee
and sent her a suggestive text. | 1:26:39 | 1:26:44 | |
The International Trade Minister
Mark Garnier is being investigated | 1:26:44 | 1:26:46 | |
by the Cabinet Office
for a potential breach | 1:26:46 | 1:26:48 | |
of ministerial rules
after he admitted asking his | 1:26:48 | 1:26:50 | |
secretary to buy sex toys. | 1:26:50 | 1:26:52 | |
The MP for Wyre Forest also
confirmed he called her | 1:26:52 | 1:26:56 | |
a sexually demeaning term,
but said it did not | 1:26:56 | 1:26:58 | |
amount to harassment. | 1:26:58 | 1:27:03 | |
Conservative MP for Dover
Charlie Elphicke has been suspended | 1:27:03 | 1:27:05 | |
by his party after "serious
allegations" against him | 1:27:05 | 1:27:07 | |
were referred to the police. | 1:27:07 | 1:27:08 | |
He says he is not aware
of what the alleged claims | 1:27:08 | 1:27:11 | |
are and denies any wrongdoing. | 1:27:11 | 1:27:16 | |
Over the weekend, a whip called
Chris Pincher stood down | 1:27:16 | 1:27:21 | |
from the Whips' office and referred
himself to both the party's | 1:27:21 | 1:27:24 | |
complaints procedure and the police
following allegations | 1:27:24 | 1:27:25 | |
over his behaviour. | 1:27:25 | 1:27:27 | |
He's accused of making an unwanted
pass at former Olympic rower | 1:27:27 | 1:27:31 | |
and Conservative activist
Alex Story. | 1:27:31 | 1:27:38 | |
And Tory MPs Daniel Poulter,
Stephen Crabb and Daniel Kawczynski | 1:27:38 | 1:27:41 | |
have been referred to
the Conservative Party disciplinary | 1:27:41 | 1:27:43 | |
committee after allegations
about their conduct. | 1:27:43 | 1:27:47 | |
Daniel Poulter and Daniel Kawzynski
both deny any wrongdoing. | 1:27:47 | 1:27:54 | |
Stephen Crabb admit saying "some
pretty outrageous things" to a woman | 1:27:54 | 1:27:57 | |
after interviewing her for a job. | 1:27:57 | 1:28:01 | |
Kelvin Hopkins was suspended
from the Labour Party last week | 1:28:01 | 1:28:03 | |
and an investigation launched
after claims he hugged | 1:28:03 | 1:28:05 | |
a young activist and rubbed
himself against her. | 1:28:05 | 1:28:07 | |
He denies any wrongdoing. | 1:28:07 | 1:28:13 | |
Another Labour MP, Clive Lewis,
is accused of groping a woman | 1:28:13 | 1:28:16 | |
at Labour conference in September. | 1:28:16 | 1:28:18 | |
Claims he strenously denies. | 1:28:18 | 1:28:22 | |
And Labour Welsh Assembly member
Carl Sargeant quit as secretary | 1:28:22 | 1:28:24 | |
for communities and children
in the Welsh government | 1:28:24 | 1:28:26 | |
after allegations about his conduct. | 1:28:26 | 1:28:30 | |
He has urged a full inquiry
to "clear his name". | 1:28:30 | 1:28:34 | |
The SNP have also seen childcare
and early years minister | 1:28:34 | 1:28:41 | |
Mark McDonald quit over "previous
actions" which he described | 1:28:41 | 1:28:43 | |
as "inappropriate". | 1:28:43 | 1:28:44 | |
The party are investigating. | 1:28:44 | 1:28:50 | |
We can talk now to political
journalist, Jane Merrick. | 1:28:50 | 1:28:52 | |
She reported to Downing Street
an allegation that Michael Fallon | 1:28:52 | 1:28:54 | |
lunged at her and tried to forcibly
kiss her just hours before | 1:28:54 | 1:28:57 | |
the Defence Secretary left his post. | 1:28:57 | 1:29:01 | |
This is her first TV interview. | 1:29:01 | 1:29:05 | |
Also with us in his first TV
interview is Olympic rower, | 1:29:05 | 1:29:08 | |
Alex Story, who claims
the Tory Whip Chris Pincher made | 1:29:08 | 1:29:11 | |
sexual advance towards him
when he was a Conservative | 1:29:11 | 1:29:13 | |
activist in 2001. | 1:29:13 | 1:29:17 | |
That was before Mr Pincher was an
MP. Good morning both of you. Jane, | 1:29:17 | 1:29:21 | |
first of all, I would like to ask
you about our story today that a | 1:29:21 | 1:29:25 | |
woman reported an alleged rape to
the House of Commons clerk and says | 1:29:25 | 1:29:30 | |
effectively, nothing happened. She
was in the end completely ignored. | 1:29:30 | 1:29:32 | |
How do you react to that? Listening
to her story, it is incredibly | 1:29:32 | 1:29:38 | |
harrowing actually and I think what
this shows is that the debate all | 1:29:38 | 1:29:43 | |
along hasn't been a witch-hunt. It
hasn't been about trivial | 1:29:43 | 1:29:47 | |
allegations. There have been serious
things that have happened regarding | 1:29:47 | 1:29:51 | |
political parties and I think what
her case shows is that people need | 1:29:51 | 1:29:55 | |
to have the confidence to come
forward. She didn't, tried to make a | 1:29:55 | 1:29:59 | |
complaint and it wasn't dealt with
and I think there is a fear that | 1:29:59 | 1:30:03 | |
victims, if they don't have an
independent grievance procedure, | 1:30:03 | 1:30:06 | |
they are not going to be listened
because there is party loyalty, or | 1:30:06 | 1:30:12 | |
will sometimes trump these issues. | 1:30:12 | 1:30:17 | |
You revealed in a newspaper article
you wrote yesterday that it was | 1:30:17 | 1:30:21 | |
Michael Fallon who directly lunged
at your lips, as you put it, a few | 1:30:21 | 1:30:26 | |
had lunch with him in 2003. You
referenced that incident before but | 1:30:26 | 1:30:30 | |
you have only just now named him.
Why did you make that decision? It | 1:30:30 | 1:30:36 | |
was 14 years ago, so when I started
talking about my experience, I did | 1:30:36 | 1:30:40 | |
it in the context of this story, to
say, this is what it's like to be | 1:30:40 | 1:30:44 | |
sexually harassed by somebody, this
is what it's like to be in | 1:30:44 | 1:30:49 | |
Parliament and work there. I wanted
to add to the debate and encourage | 1:30:49 | 1:30:52 | |
people to talk about it. That was
last weekend. Over the next few days | 1:30:52 | 1:31:04 | |
the debate seems to be shifting
towards the trivial things that were | 1:31:04 | 1:31:07 | |
going on. I knew my situation, I
became aware of other allegations | 1:31:07 | 1:31:09 | |
involving Michael Fallon. I thought
I should report my experience to | 1:31:09 | 1:31:14 | |
Downing Street, not to go public,
because I did not want the scrutiny | 1:31:14 | 1:31:20 | |
at the time, but to report my
experience. That led to his | 1:31:20 | 1:31:26 | |
resignation, being sacked, being
allowed to resign on Wednesday | 1:31:26 | 1:31:29 | |
night? I can only talk about my
experience but I was aware there | 1:31:29 | 1:31:34 | |
were other allegations, but I
couldn't report them. In terms of | 1:31:34 | 1:31:38 | |
naming him yesterday, several days
after he resigned, why was that? I | 1:31:38 | 1:31:43 | |
still feared that when I spoke to
Downing Street I wanted anonymity | 1:31:43 | 1:31:47 | |
because I feared the backlash,
people would say, this was 14 years | 1:31:47 | 1:31:51 | |
ago, why are you doing it now? There
would be criticism that somehow it | 1:31:51 | 1:32:04 | |
wasn't serious. I admit it was that
the less serious end of the | 1:32:04 | 1:32:06 | |
spectrum, but it still made me feel
like the power dynamic between us | 1:32:06 | 1:32:09 | |
had changed. But since Wednesday, it
seems that although he had taken | 1:32:09 | 1:32:13 | |
account for his action, he didn't
apologise and tried to suggest this | 1:32:13 | 1:32:16 | |
sort of thing was acceptable ten or
15 years ago. I wanted him to know | 1:32:16 | 1:32:20 | |
that it wasn't. And also the debate
was still being trivialised, it was | 1:32:20 | 1:32:25 | |
around the banter towards Andrea
Leadsom. It felt right that it was | 1:32:25 | 1:32:29 | |
the time to speak out and say it was
him who had lunged at me. By | 1:32:29 | 1:32:38 | |
revealing his name, you wrote that
you are taking back control. How | 1:32:38 | 1:32:41 | |
does it feel to take back control
question | 1:32:41 | 1:32:45 | |
does it feel to take back control
question? I will not say it feels | 1:32:45 | 1:32:50 | |
good, because this whole story is
not something to feel good about. | 1:32:50 | 1:32:54 | |
But when I wrote my piece I didn't
think about me as a 43-year-old, I | 1:32:54 | 1:33:00 | |
thought about me as a 29-year-old
and what I should have done. And if | 1:33:00 | 1:33:04 | |
there were any other women who had
been harassed by other MPs who were | 1:33:04 | 1:33:08 | |
29 or younger, how would they feel
and what would they want me to do? I | 1:33:08 | 1:33:13 | |
wanted to do them justice, not just
myself. I felt I was taking back | 1:33:13 | 1:33:18 | |
control, yes, but I felt I was doing
it for other women who felt they | 1:33:18 | 1:33:22 | |
couldn't come forward. I was
heartfelt about my experience and | 1:33:22 | 1:33:33 | |
talking about it, but I know other
women out there who have contacted | 1:33:33 | 1:33:36 | |
me about other politicians and
people in other parties who do not | 1:33:36 | 1:33:38 | |
want to come forward. It was about
redressing the balance, not just | 1:33:38 | 1:33:40 | |
with me and Michael Fallon, but the
people who are harassed, and what | 1:33:40 | 1:33:43 | |
they need to do and how the debate
needs to be about them, and is not | 1:33:43 | 1:33:46 | |
about claims of a witchhunt, because
that's not what it is about. Do you | 1:33:46 | 1:33:51 | |
want an apology from Michael Fallon?
I'm not demanding an apology. He has | 1:33:51 | 1:33:56 | |
resigned and he has accepted over
the weekend that it was not | 1:33:56 | 1:34:00 | |
acceptable back then. I'm not
demanding it, but it would be nice | 1:34:00 | 1:34:04 | |
for him to apologise, but I'm not
going to demand it. What reaction | 1:34:04 | 1:34:09 | |
have you had since you wrote your
piece yesterday? It has been | 1:34:09 | 1:34:13 | |
overwhelmingly positive. I put on
Twitter yesterday, people said it | 1:34:13 | 1:34:18 | |
was a long time ago, and I accept
that, but the reason I came forward | 1:34:18 | 1:34:24 | |
was because of the other situations.
But it has been overwhelmingly | 1:34:24 | 1:34:29 | |
positive and I am glad I have done
it. Alex, good morning. Tell the | 1:34:29 | 1:34:36 | |
audience what happened to you in
2001 involving Chris Pincher, not a | 1:34:36 | 1:34:43 | |
Conservative MP at that stage. We
had gone canvassing, telephone | 1:34:43 | 1:34:48 | |
canvassing. After the session was
over we went to a local pub and | 1:34:48 | 1:34:56 | |
after perhaps two drinks, nothing
more, he said to me in this very Bob | 1:34:56 | 1:35:02 | |
Tway, he said what about din-dins,
Alex. -- he said to me in this very | 1:35:02 | 1:35:13 | |
odd way. It was strange, but I have
experienced more odd things in my | 1:35:13 | 1:35:19 | |
life. We drove very far south,
further than I expected. And then he | 1:35:19 | 1:35:24 | |
said, let's go to my flat. We got to
his flat, he poured me a drink, and | 1:35:24 | 1:35:29 | |
within a few minutes I felt him
tugging at my shirt, taking it out | 1:35:29 | 1:35:35 | |
of my trousers. Giving me a back
massage which I hadn't asked for. | 1:35:35 | 1:35:41 | |
And him whispering in my ear, you
will go far in the Conservative | 1:35:41 | 1:35:46 | |
Party. As I said in my piece, I
stood up and jokingly said, it is | 1:35:46 | 1:35:53 | |
perhaps better if we stay friends.
At that stage he went into his | 1:35:53 | 1:35:59 | |
bathroom and said he wanted to slip
into something more comfortable, | 1:35:59 | 1:36:03 | |
which he obviously did, but what was
comfortable for him was slightly | 1:36:03 | 1:36:06 | |
more uncomfortable for me. So I made
my apologies and left. He came out | 1:36:06 | 1:36:12 | |
of the bathroom wearing a dressing
down? Is that correct? A bathrobe? | 1:36:12 | 1:36:16 | |
It was. Was it an abuse of power? At
the time I didn't think about it | 1:36:16 | 1:36:25 | |
that way. I just thought it was
something that happened to people | 1:36:25 | 1:36:28 | |
like me, who have a string of
amusing incidents. In those days, | 1:36:28 | 1:36:32 | |
that's what I thought it was. But
the thing that triggered something | 1:36:32 | 1:36:36 | |
in me is the list of questionable
activity that was distributed, the | 1:36:36 | 1:36:42 | |
fact I am now a father with four
children, and remembering that my | 1:36:42 | 1:36:47 | |
sister was outraged at the time, and
she kept telling me I ought to have | 1:36:47 | 1:36:51 | |
done something. I hate to admit it,
but my sister was right, and I | 1:36:51 | 1:36:57 | |
should have said something about it,
because somebody who is not six foot | 1:36:57 | 1:37:02 | |
eight and hasn't trained all his
life, might find themselves more | 1:37:02 | 1:37:08 | |
vulnerable to this type of situation
than me. I just used the story, | 1:37:08 | 1:37:14 | |
which I then retold many times to
friends and family. It provided some | 1:37:14 | 1:37:22 | |
sort of entertainment, but those
people who are much more vulnerable | 1:37:22 | 1:37:25 | |
never found it amusing. I think it's
about right. When I saw this list I | 1:37:25 | 1:37:32 | |
thought to myself, I'm getting tired
of an established organisation, that | 1:37:32 | 1:37:38 | |
has become so narcissistic that it
can't think beyond its own feelings | 1:37:38 | 1:37:43 | |
and what it does to each other. It's
the sense of being really sick and | 1:37:43 | 1:37:51 | |
tired of the kind of activities that
most of us find quite repulsive, | 1:37:51 | 1:37:56 | |
actually. Thank you to Alex. A
Downing Street spokesman has said | 1:37:56 | 1:38:02 | |
Chris Pincher has voluntarily stood
down from the whip's office and | 1:38:02 | 1:38:06 | |
referred himself to the
Parliamentary complaints procedure | 1:38:06 | 1:38:09 | |
and the police. He has said, I can
only apologise to Alex. Is this a | 1:38:09 | 1:38:18 | |
tipping point in our country? It
feels like it. I think the speed at | 1:38:18 | 1:38:23 | |
which Theresa May acted in my case,
and she has taught today about | 1:38:23 | 1:38:27 | |
respect. The culture of respect is a
key thing. All I wanted in my lunch | 1:38:27 | 1:38:31 | |
with Michael Fallon was respect, to
be treated as a professional | 1:38:31 | 1:38:34 | |
journalist. I think he would feel
the same way. It is very difficult | 1:38:34 | 1:38:43 | |
to challenge something as powerful
as politicians and the political | 1:38:43 | 1:38:47 | |
establishment. I think this is
probably... I hope there will be a | 1:38:47 | 1:38:52 | |
shift in attitudes. Thank you for
talking to us. | 1:38:52 | 1:38:57 | |
Still to come. | 1:38:57 | 1:38:59 | |
The children's commissioner tells
this programme it's vital that | 1:38:59 | 1:39:01 | |
there's more mental health support
for children who grow up in care. | 1:39:01 | 1:39:07 | |
The children's commissioner has told
this programme that there should be | 1:39:07 | 1:39:09 | |
a presumption that children in care
should receive support | 1:39:09 | 1:39:12 | |
for their mental health. | 1:39:12 | 1:39:13 | |
Almost half of those in the care
system have a diagnosable | 1:39:13 | 1:39:15 | |
mental health disorder -
with looked-after children | 1:39:15 | 1:39:17 | |
are four times more likely
than their non-looked after peers | 1:39:17 | 1:39:20 | |
to have a mental health condition. | 1:39:20 | 1:39:21 | |
So why isn't there enough
support out there? | 1:39:21 | 1:39:23 | |
Anne Longfield says that the care
system has been too focused on child | 1:39:23 | 1:39:26 | |
safeguarding in the past and not
enough on helping children recover | 1:39:26 | 1:39:29 | |
from traumatic upbringings. | 1:39:29 | 1:39:30 | |
We've been speaking to a care
leaver called Callum, | 1:39:30 | 1:39:32 | |
who told us about his own mental
health issues and the difficulties | 1:39:32 | 1:39:35 | |
he found in getting help. | 1:39:35 | 1:39:36 | |
A warning - this film contains
references to self harm | 1:39:36 | 1:39:39 | |
and suicide from the start. | 1:39:39 | 1:39:44 | |
Just imagine you're sat in a pitch
dark room, with no-one there, | 1:39:47 | 1:39:52 | |
curled up in the corner,
crying to yourself. | 1:39:52 | 1:39:55 | |
All it is, is you and a razor blade. | 1:39:55 | 1:39:59 | |
That's the only thing you can use
to get your anger out. | 1:39:59 | 1:40:03 | |
Me and my brothers ended up in care. | 1:40:03 | 1:40:10 | |
It felt like no-one
was there, and no-one cared. | 1:40:10 | 1:40:14 | |
I cried myself to sleep
every single night. | 1:40:14 | 1:40:17 | |
My self harm got really bad. | 1:40:17 | 1:40:22 | |
At one point I had a cut
from the hip down to my kneecap. | 1:40:22 | 1:40:28 | |
My dad was an alcoholic. | 1:40:44 | 1:40:51 | |
He passed away the 20th
of October 2008. | 1:40:51 | 1:40:55 | |
He was like my superhero,
you know what I mean? | 1:40:55 | 1:40:59 | |
I could go to him for
absolutely anything. | 1:40:59 | 1:41:02 | |
When he passed away,
it hurt me and my brothers. | 1:41:07 | 1:41:13 | |
And it didn't help that then
we got taken into care, | 1:41:13 | 1:41:17 | |
and then it got a lot worse
because you think, oh, | 1:41:17 | 1:41:21 | |
now I've lost my mum and my dad. | 1:41:21 | 1:41:25 | |
You know, even though my mum's
still here, you feel | 1:41:25 | 1:41:28 | |
like you've lost both. | 1:41:28 | 1:41:31 | |
I was 13, just turning 14. | 1:41:31 | 1:41:37 | |
So I was still young
and I was still, you know, | 1:41:37 | 1:41:41 | |
an emotional kid who was still
trying to get over Dad. | 1:41:41 | 1:41:44 | |
Everything got on top of me. | 1:41:44 | 1:41:47 | |
It felt like no-one
were there and no-one cared. | 1:41:47 | 1:41:53 | |
You know, no-one wanted to be your
friend, no-one wanted to love you. | 1:41:53 | 1:41:57 | |
It felt like my mum
just gave up on me. | 1:41:57 | 1:42:02 | |
I started getting bullied. | 1:42:02 | 1:42:04 | |
Some people knew about my dad
passing away and they would | 1:42:04 | 1:42:07 | |
say horrible jokes. | 1:42:07 | 1:42:09 | |
Crying myself to sleep
every single night. | 1:42:09 | 1:42:14 | |
Didn't know what to do. | 1:42:14 | 1:42:16 | |
And then I kicked off
with my foster carers. | 1:42:16 | 1:42:19 | |
That's when I got moved
to the care home. | 1:42:19 | 1:42:22 | |
And that's when I started
self harming and stuff. | 1:42:22 | 1:42:26 | |
I did a few cuts on my arm and I did
it all over my legs. | 1:42:26 | 1:42:29 | |
I just, you know... | 1:42:29 | 1:42:33 | |
They say it takes the pain away. | 1:42:33 | 1:42:37 | |
It only took the pain
away for that moment, | 1:42:37 | 1:42:39 | |
and then it was back. | 1:42:39 | 1:42:41 | |
My self harm got really bad. | 1:42:41 | 1:42:47 | |
At one point I had a cut
from the hip down to my kneecap. | 1:42:47 | 1:42:50 | |
I tried to take my own life. | 1:42:50 | 1:42:56 | |
I went to go hang myself. | 1:42:56 | 1:42:59 | |
My carer stormed through my door,
cut me down and pinned me down | 1:42:59 | 1:43:03 | |
to the floor and said,
you know, mate, you're | 1:43:03 | 1:43:05 | |
worth more than this. | 1:43:05 | 1:43:07 | |
I understand what you're
going through, but you can | 1:43:07 | 1:43:10 | |
do better than this. | 1:43:10 | 1:43:11 | |
You're going to make it far in life. | 1:43:11 | 1:43:17 | |
Why it was difficult
to get support, at first, | 1:43:25 | 1:43:28 | |
I didn't really know how to get it. | 1:43:28 | 1:43:35 | |
I was very closed in on myself
as well, so I didn't really want | 1:43:35 | 1:43:39 | |
many people to know. | 1:43:39 | 1:43:40 | |
Then I started getting
a bit of help with it. | 1:43:40 | 1:43:42 | |
I got a bit of counselling. | 1:43:42 | 1:43:44 | |
Sometimes you had a good counsellor,
then you had the bad counsellor. | 1:43:44 | 1:43:49 | |
The good counsellors were generally,
"Here you are, Callum, we understand | 1:43:49 | 1:43:54 | |
what you're going through." | 1:43:54 | 1:43:55 | |
But then next time I could
have someone completely | 1:43:55 | 1:43:58 | |
different and they're, like,
you know, they don't know | 1:43:58 | 1:44:01 | |
what's going on in my life. | 1:44:01 | 1:44:03 | |
All they've done is
read a piece of paper. | 1:44:03 | 1:44:06 | |
If I could go back there today,
I'd say to them that I want | 1:44:06 | 1:44:10 | |
one set worker for me. | 1:44:10 | 1:44:12 | |
I don't want to see one person one
week and then see another | 1:44:12 | 1:44:15 | |
person the other week. | 1:44:15 | 1:44:19 | |
In the care system, when you're
in a care home, it sounds bad, | 1:44:27 | 1:44:30 | |
when you turn 18 you've
got no choice. | 1:44:30 | 1:44:33 | |
You're out. | 1:44:33 | 1:44:36 | |
You know, you go
into your own place. | 1:44:36 | 1:44:41 | |
So, you've got the worries
about all your benefits | 1:44:41 | 1:44:49 | |
going through, all council
taxes, TV licences. | 1:44:49 | 1:44:52 | |
You know, making sure
you can run your house | 1:44:52 | 1:44:54 | |
properly, paying your rent. | 1:44:54 | 1:44:56 | |
The world's scary. | 1:44:56 | 1:45:00 | |
There definitely should be more
support with mental health. | 1:45:00 | 1:45:08 | |
Because there are quite a few kids,
or young people out there, | 1:45:08 | 1:45:12 | |
who are struggling with it. | 1:45:12 | 1:45:15 | |
Respect. | 1:45:25 | 1:45:26 | |
Respect. | 1:45:26 | 1:45:27 | |
Good girl. | 1:45:27 | 1:45:28 | |
Now, you know, I'm in a happy place. | 1:45:28 | 1:45:30 | |
I've got my own house. | 1:45:30 | 1:45:32 | |
I've got a beautiful daughter,
I've got a beautiful fiancee. | 1:45:32 | 1:45:34 | |
I'm having a generally happy life. | 1:45:34 | 1:45:39 | |
If I didn't meet my girlfriend,
I'd be getting in trouble | 1:45:39 | 1:45:45 | |
with the police or -
it sounds even worse - dead. | 1:45:45 | 1:45:51 | |
Even though Barnardos did help,
they didn't give me the love | 1:45:51 | 1:45:56 | |
I really wanted, even though
they give you the love, | 1:45:56 | 1:45:58 | |
it was more like a friendship love. | 1:45:58 | 1:46:00 | |
What my girlfriend gave me is love. | 1:46:00 | 1:46:03 | |
You know? | 1:46:03 | 1:46:07 | |
I've got a family now
and the family, that's all I've | 1:46:07 | 1:46:11 | |
ever wanted, a family. | 1:46:11 | 1:46:14 | |
Give daddy kisses. | 1:46:15 | 1:46:19 | |
I love you. | 1:46:19 | 1:46:22 | |
And if you've been affected by any
of the issues raised | 1:46:29 | 1:46:34 | |
in that film you can
contact our action line | 1:46:34 | 1:46:36 | |
bbc.co.uk/actionline. | 1:46:36 | 1:46:39 | |
We can speak now to Anne Longfield,
the Children's Commissioner. | 1:46:39 | 1:46:42 | |
John Simmonds, whose a qualified
social worker and a director | 1:46:42 | 1:46:44 | |
at the fostering and adoption agency
Coram BAAF, and Sylvia Shroer, | 1:46:44 | 1:46:49 | |
from Adopters Together,
a peer supported campaigning | 1:46:49 | 1:46:52 | |
initiative for adopters
and special guardians. | 1:46:52 | 1:46:59 | |
Tell us about the scale of the
problem? We have got about 70,000 | 1:46:59 | 1:47:04 | |
children in the care system at any
one time and at least 60% have | 1:47:04 | 1:47:09 | |
mental health issues. They have had
the greatest traumas any of us could | 1:47:09 | 1:47:14 | |
think of before they enter care and
whilst there is assessments around | 1:47:14 | 1:47:20 | |
health and assessments around health
and billion being so many children | 1:47:20 | 1:47:23 | |
not only say they struggle to get
help, but come out of it saying, | 1:47:23 | 1:47:26 | |
look, what we want is kindness and
love and people to believe in us. So | 1:47:26 | 1:47:31 | |
what I'd like to see is a much
greater emphasis on helping children | 1:47:31 | 1:47:34 | |
recover. We have had a fantastic
example there of Callum really | 1:47:34 | 1:47:39 | |
genuine, fantastic young man with
his whole life ahead of him. That | 1:47:39 | 1:47:42 | |
can be for every child in care, but
they need help to get there. Some of | 1:47:42 | 1:47:47 | |
the recommendations from the report
that is produced on this today is | 1:47:47 | 1:47:50 | |
this idea of a virtual mental health
lead. So one single person with | 1:47:50 | 1:47:56 | |
oversight for mental health in every
area responsible for each child? | 1:47:56 | 1:48:01 | |
More help and support for foster
carers to deal with mental health | 1:48:01 | 1:48:04 | |
issues and complex issues with
children. This has come from the | 1:48:04 | 1:48:08 | |
Department of Health and the
Department for Education together | 1:48:08 | 1:48:10 | |
and it comes ahead of a Green Paper.
So, I think there is much in there | 1:48:10 | 1:48:13 | |
that could be acted on. John, hello.
Hello. Specific challenges for | 1:48:13 | 1:48:17 | |
social workers when it comes to
looking after children in care. And | 1:48:17 | 1:48:20 | |
their mental health? Yes. I mean I
think one of the things that stands | 1:48:20 | 1:48:25 | |
out really, looked after children we
are talking about newborns, and we | 1:48:25 | 1:48:29 | |
are talking about 18-year-olds so
this is a big span. One of the | 1:48:29 | 1:48:33 | |
things that came through in Callum's
discussion about his experiences, | 1:48:33 | 1:48:40 | |
family life and relationships are
core to who we are and I suppose one | 1:48:40 | 1:48:44 | |
of the big issues for me when we
come to talk about mental health is | 1:48:44 | 1:48:48 | |
that generally we are talking about
relationships that have gone wrong, | 1:48:48 | 1:48:53 | |
relationships which cause anxiety, a
relationship where there is abuse | 1:48:53 | 1:48:56 | |
and neglect and the family life that
is on the edge. And for many, | 1:48:56 | 1:49:01 | |
children that come into care, it's a
family life that's broken. It is | 1:49:01 | 1:49:07 | |
right that we should focus on issues
of emotional and behavioural and | 1:49:07 | 1:49:13 | |
mental health, but I think the thing
that we can't ignore is for all of | 1:49:13 | 1:49:17 | |
us, our sense of belonging and our
sense of stability and security come | 1:49:17 | 1:49:22 | |
from a loving family life. So where
a family life has been broken down, | 1:49:22 | 1:49:26 | |
has broken down, which is at the
centre of what happens for children | 1:49:26 | 1:49:30 | |
when they become looked after, the
issue is how do we rebuild something | 1:49:30 | 1:49:35 | |
either in the child's original
family or in foster care or in | 1:49:35 | 1:49:40 | |
adoption, in whatever the legal
order that frames that child's new | 1:49:40 | 1:49:44 | |
experience. But it is family life
and relationships that are at the | 1:49:44 | 1:49:48 | |
centre of that and I thought that
that came across so strongly in | 1:49:48 | 1:49:52 | |
Callum's view about his fiancee and
his baby. He was creating a family | 1:49:52 | 1:49:57 | |
life for his child and there
couldn't be a more central issue for | 1:49:57 | 1:50:00 | |
all looked after children about
their experiences of family life and | 1:50:00 | 1:50:03 | |
loving relationships.
Sylvia, what are the kind of issues | 1:50:03 | 1:50:07 | |
that the parents in your group are
facing when it comes to looking | 1:50:07 | 1:50:10 | |
after children andle mental health
problems? The biggest issue that we | 1:50:10 | 1:50:15 | |
have sadly is blame. We parent the,
in terms of the 70,000 children in | 1:50:15 | 1:50:25 | |
the care system, what the report in
2014 found that adoptive parents, | 1:50:25 | 1:50:31 | |
parent the most severely traumatised
and abused children so we are at the | 1:50:31 | 1:50:34 | |
extreme end of the mental health
problems and we have a problem at | 1:50:34 | 1:50:37 | |
the moment which is that we, in the
system, it's very child focussed and | 1:50:37 | 1:50:45 | |
when the attention is focussed on
the child, it's not on the family as | 1:50:45 | 1:50:48 | |
a whole. We are in effect the
intervention. We are the policy | 1:50:48 | 1:50:54 | |
intervention, but what happens is
that when we ask for help, | 1:50:54 | 1:50:58 | |
intervention comes between us and
our children. And that has to change | 1:50:58 | 1:51:02 | |
and blame has to go. So whilst this
is a very positive move of the | 1:51:02 | 1:51:07 | |
virtual mental health lead, we feel
that it needs to go further because | 1:51:07 | 1:51:11 | |
that person could actually do harm
if they did not have an awareness of | 1:51:11 | 1:51:15 | |
adoption issues and we are calling
for an adoption guardian to be | 1:51:15 | 1:51:22 | |
attached to every single adoptive
child in the care system who will go | 1:51:22 | 1:51:26 | |
to meetings, and who will support
the family, the family. Love, | 1:51:26 | 1:51:35 | |
belonging, and permanence. It sounds
incredible and I'm going to say, but | 1:51:35 | 1:51:39 | |
that will cost money. Let me tell
you what the Government says. Are | 1:51:39 | 1:51:42 | |
you saying, no, it won't cost
anything. It need not cost a lot of | 1:51:42 | 1:51:47 | |
money. The money will come from the
BBC did a survey recently where they | 1:51:47 | 1:51:52 | |
found that of the 3,000 people that
responded a quarter of them said | 1:51:52 | 1:51:59 | |
that their children were going to
re-enter care. It is termed a | 1:51:59 | 1:52:03 | |
disruption which is a misleading
term and that, each of those | 1:52:03 | 1:52:07 | |
children is likely to cost £1
million. That's £750 million. This | 1:52:07 | 1:52:12 | |
is money well spent. This is money
saved. We asked for an interview and | 1:52:12 | 1:52:17 | |
we didn't get one. | 1:52:17 | 1:52:22 | |
"It is vital that children in care
and those who look after them | 1:52:22 | 1:52:25 | |
receive the mental health
support they need. | 1:52:25 | 1:52:28 | |
able to shine a light
on the issues they face. | 1:52:28 | 1:52:30 | |
"We are putting a record
£1.4 billion into children and young | 1:52:30 | 1:52:33 | |
people's mental health
but there is more to be done | 1:52:33 | 1:52:35 | |
and we will now consider
the report with a view | 1:52:35 | 1:52:38 | |
to taking further action." | 1:52:38 | 1:52:39 | |
Lleyton says there is a huge deficit
in the way we deal with huge | 1:52:39 | 1:52:42 | |
people's emotional issues. We
penalise self-harm, but there is no | 1:52:42 | 1:52:45 | |
consistent good quality counselling
and so your idea would make a | 1:52:45 | 1:52:47 | |
difference for many young people.
Do you worry about the fact that it | 1:52:47 | 1:52:53 | |
would, having this, virtual mental
health tsar is going to come down to | 1:52:53 | 1:52:58 | |
resources in the end? Well, I mean,
as you said actually it's investing | 1:52:58 | 1:53:04 | |
now to save later. If we can get
children to the point where they're | 1:53:04 | 1:53:08 | |
confident, they're actually able to
either go back to their own family | 1:53:08 | 1:53:13 | |
or actually move into their adult
life, confidently because that's | 1:53:13 | 1:53:19 | |
also the transition to adulthood is
the point where a lot of children | 1:53:19 | 1:53:24 | |
fall off mental health support. Then
it will be easier on the public | 1:53:24 | 1:53:27 | |
purse. So it is investing early to
save later, but one of the big | 1:53:27 | 1:53:31 | |
issues children tell me about is
stability, is permanence and is that | 1:53:31 | 1:53:35 | |
feeling of belonging. So it has to
be absolutely at the centre of the | 1:53:35 | 1:53:38 | |
care experience. OK, thank you all.
Thank you very much for coming on | 1:53:38 | 1:53:41 | |
the programme. Thank you. | 1:53:41 | 1:53:47 | |
It's being called the "biggest
Strictly shock ever". | 1:53:47 | 1:53:52 | |
One of the early favourites to win
the show, Aston Merrygold has been | 1:53:52 | 1:53:55 | |
sent home after judge
Shirley Ballas had the final, | 1:53:55 | 1:53:58 | |
casting vote, following
a dance-off with Mollie King. | 1:53:58 | 1:54:00 | |
Dancing the Viennese Waltz Aston
Merrygold and Janette Manrara. | 1:54:00 | 1:54:08 | |
MUSIC: Who's Loving
You by the Jackson 5. | 1:54:13 | 1:54:20 | |
The scores are in. | 1:54:31 | 1:54:36 | |
The judges have their scores,
Craig Revel Horwood. | 1:54:36 | 1:54:38 | |
4. | 1:54:38 | 1:54:39 | |
Darcey Bussell. | 1:54:39 | 1:54:41 | |
7. | 1:54:41 | 1:54:43 | |
Shirley Ballas. | 1:54:43 | 1:54:45 | |
7. | 1:54:45 | 1:54:48 | |
And Bruno Tonioli. | 1:54:48 | 1:54:49 | |
7. | 1:54:49 | 1:54:53 | |
A 4? | 1:54:53 | 1:54:55 | |
You have never had a 4. | 1:54:55 | 1:54:58 | |
Aston and Janette. | 1:54:58 | 1:55:02 | |
The rest of have you to
wait a little longer | 1:55:02 | 1:55:05 | |
to find out your fate. | 1:55:05 | 1:55:08 | |
Aston and Janette,
please come and join me. | 1:55:08 | 1:55:13 | |
Well again, a very difficult choice,
two fantastic couples. | 1:55:13 | 1:55:17 | |
Very difficult to do,
but on technical accuracy, | 1:55:17 | 1:55:19 | |
beautiful flow and full engagement
during the dance, I'm | 1:55:19 | 1:55:21 | |
saving Mollie and AJ. | 1:55:21 | 1:55:31 | |
That means we're going to have
to say goodbye to Aston and Janette. | 1:55:32 | 1:55:35 | |
Please come and join me. | 1:55:35 | 1:55:37 | |
Have you enjoyed the
Strictly experience? | 1:55:37 | 1:55:40 | |
I've, honestly, every second. | 1:55:40 | 1:55:42 | |
Every second of this. | 1:55:42 | 1:55:50 | |
I've had friends that have done this
show before and they've gone "You're | 1:55:50 | 1:55:53 | |
going to have the most amount of fun
from start to finish". | 1:55:53 | 1:55:56 | |
Honestly, they weren't lying. | 1:55:56 | 1:55:57 | |
From this lady to every
single person in here, | 1:55:57 | 1:55:59 | |
you four guys, yourself, Claudia,
all of you amazing lot up | 1:55:59 | 1:56:02 | |
here that I get to see and spend
so much time with and learn | 1:56:02 | 1:56:05 | |
from and made some amazing friends. | 1:56:05 | 1:56:06 | |
I honestly I have had the best time. | 1:56:06 | 1:56:08 | |
It has been amazing. | 1:56:08 | 1:56:11 | |
Let's talk to former Strictly
professional dancer, Robin Windsor. | 1:56:11 | 1:56:16 | |
How shocked were you? I was shocked.
We were expecting Aston to be one of | 1:56:16 | 1:56:21 | |
the finalists. This is an
entertainment show and anything can | 1:56:21 | 1:56:24 | |
happen as was proved last night.
There are cross viewers though. I | 1:56:24 | 1:56:28 | |
moon seriously. Julie e-mailed, she
is cross with me. She says I was | 1:56:28 | 1:56:34 | |
patronising about it earlier, but
she says it was the wrong result. | 1:56:34 | 1:56:39 | |
When I say I won't be watching
again, I won't. I think what you | 1:56:39 | 1:56:43 | |
have got to remember, so many people
have an opinion about it this | 1:56:43 | 1:56:47 | |
morning, but about 90% of the people
didn't pick up the phone and vote | 1:56:47 | 1:56:53 | |
for Aston, it is one of those
things, who is to blame? The public? | 1:56:53 | 1:56:57 | |
Craig? Shirley? The routine, the
production? So many elements go into | 1:56:57 | 1:57:03 | |
it and sadly Aston got a dance that
wasn't suited to him. What did | 1:57:03 | 1:57:09 | |
Shirley mean when she said, "Full
engagement in the dance" When you | 1:57:09 | 1:57:17 | |
compare Mollie and Aston, Mollie
performed better and more eloquently | 1:57:17 | 1:57:25 | |
for a foxtrot, whereas Aston's dance
was more contemporary. But that's | 1:57:25 | 1:57:29 | |
not his fault. Are you saying if he
had a tux on and Janette wearing a | 1:57:29 | 1:57:40 | |
beautiful sequinned dress it would
have been all right? I don't think | 1:57:40 | 1:57:42 | |
it would have made a difference. The
judges should be judging on the | 1:57:42 | 1:57:47 | |
dance off and now how the dances
have been throughout the series. But | 1:57:47 | 1:57:51 | |
what about the viewers who want to
see Aston go on because he is a | 1:57:51 | 1:57:57 | |
better dancer than Mollie? Inchts in
agreement with that, but clearly | 1:57:57 | 1:58:01 | |
people didn't pick up the phone and
vote for him so it is their fault at | 1:58:01 | 1:58:05 | |
the end of the day. I remember Len
Goodman saying you can't moan if you | 1:58:05 | 1:58:09 | |
don't pick up the phone!
Thank you very much, Robin. It is | 1:58:09 | 1:58:13 | |
your fault! Thank you, Robin. | 1:58:13 | 1:58:19 | |
Tomorrow, more on the Westminster
harassment story. Thank you for your | 1:58:19 | 1:58:22 | |
company today. Back tomorrow at 9am. | 1:58:22 | 1:58:28 | |
We've been investigating
the hidden offshore world | 1:58:34 | 1:58:37 |