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Hello it's Monday, it's 9 o'clock,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

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Welcome to the programme.

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Our top story today -

at least 26 people have been killed

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by a gunman in a Baptist Church

in the US state of Texas.

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The tragedy is worsened by the fact

it took place in a church, a place

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of worship, where these people

were innocently gunned down.

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The suspect - 26-year-old

Devin Patrick Kelly -

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was found dead nearby.

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We'll get reaction

from eyewitnesses.

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As the Westminster abuse scandal

continues to engulf politics...

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a former Conservative Party activist

who informed the House of Commons

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authorities of an alleged rape tells

this programme her complaints

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were completely ignored.

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I felt as if my experience

wasn't important.

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And that the experiences of others

who have had similar

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things happen to them

weren't important either.

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We'll get reaction to that exclusive

story in around 15 minutes' time.

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And the people who manage

the Queen's finances have

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defended their investments,

following the revelation that some

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of her wealth has been placed

in two offshore funds.

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We'll bring you the details.

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Hello, welcome to the programme.

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We're live until 11:00am.

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The Prime Minister Theresa May

is due to give a speech

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in the next hour on Westminster

abuse and Brexit.

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We'll bring it to you live.

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We're really keen to hear your

thoughts on the unfolding

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Westminster abuse scandal.

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Is this a tipping point when it

comes to men in positions of power

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across all industries and the way

they treat women and sometimes other

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men. Is this a seminal moment in our

country where things really are

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going to change, where the dinosaurs

will leave?

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Do get in touch - use

the hashtag Victoria

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live and if you text,

you will be charged

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at the standard network rate.

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Our top story today...

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26 people, including several

children, have been killed

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in the latest mass shooting incident

in the US.

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The attack happened

at the First Baptist Church,

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in the small town of

Sutherland Springs in Texas.

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Authorities say the youngest

victim was just five years

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old, the eldest was 72.

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Our North America correspondent

Peter Bowes has more.

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The scene of America's

latest mass shooting.

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A tiny church in a Texas town.

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A Sunday morning gathering that

turned into a massacre.

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More than two dozen dead

and many more injured.

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The ages of the victims

range from five to 72.

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The motive of the

gunman is not known.

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We are dealing with the largest mass

shooting in our state's history.

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There are so many families who have

lost family members.

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Fathers, mothers,

sons and daughters.

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The tragedy, of course,

is worsened by the fact that it

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occurred in a church,

a place of worship, where these

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people were innocently gunned down.

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The gunman fled the scene

and was later found

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dead in his vehicle.

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It is unclear whether he shot

himself or died of a gunshot wound

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inflicted by a local resident

who pursued the suspect,

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armed with his own rifle.

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This close-knit community has been

left shattered and distraught.

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Stay with us as we learn

to deal with this...

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As people wait for news

of their loved ones,

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many are overwhelmed by the scale

of the tragedy.

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There's no words.

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This happens in New York,

in big cities.

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No-one is safe.

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My dad has already taught

me how to get the gun

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from the safe and load it.

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If it can happen here,

it can happen anywhere.

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President Trump, who

is on a tour of Asia,

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condemned the shooting

as an act of evil.

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Through the tears and through the

sadness, we stand strong, oh so

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strong.

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The shooting comes just over one

month after the deadliest mass

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shooting in modern US history

when a gunman in Las Vegas

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killed 58 people.

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Now, another community has

joined the roll call.

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More lives lost and more

families asking why us?

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As they struggle with their grief.

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More on that come throughout the

programme.

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Now to the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of the rest

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of the day's news.

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The people who manage

the Queen's finances have

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defended their investment practices

after the revelation that some

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of her wealth has been placed

in two offshore funds.

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It follows a huge new leak

of financial documents,

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dubbed the "Paradise Papers",

revealing how the rich and powerful

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invest their money in tax

havens around the world.

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The BBC does not know

the source of the leak,

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which contains more than 13 million

documents, mostly from one finance

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firm based in Bermuda.

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The vast majority of

transactions did not involve

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any illegal activity.

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Here's our economics

correspondent Andy Verity.

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Bermuda.

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Where the law firm at the heart

of the biggest leak

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in offshore history,

Appleby, has its head office.

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The Queen is the head of state

here but until now we did not know

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that some of her private money

was invested in tax

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havens like this one.

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The Duchy of Lancaster,

the private investment

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vehicle for the Queen,

put £10 million, a small fraction

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of its overall investments,

in offshore funds with $7.5 million

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of that in one fund

in the Cayman Islands.

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In 2007, it was asked to put

£350,000 into investment projects

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including the purchase

of two retailers.

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One was the company that owned

Threshers that later went bust

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owning £70 million in tax,

and the other was BrightHouse,

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the controversial rent-to-own

retailer which was recently forced

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to compensate a quarter

of a million customers.

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I am pretty furious with those

who advise her and that are bringing

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her reputation into disrepute.

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It is so obvious that

if you are looking after the money

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of the monarchy, you have got to be

cleaner than clean and you must

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never go near the dirty world

of money laundering,

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tax avoidance, tax evasion or making

money in dubious ways.

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The Duchy told us that

all of the investments were fully

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audited and legitimate.

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The documents also reveal that

Donald Trump's commerce secretary,

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Wilbur Ross, has business links

with Russian allies

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of president Vladimir Putin.

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Mr Ross has a secret stake

in a shipping company

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called Navigator Holdings.

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One of its major clients is Sibur,

a Russian energy company.

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The associate of Vladimir Putin,

Gennady Timchenko, is a shareholder,

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and sanctioned by the US

government in 2014.

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Mr Ross told us none of the funds

he managed ever owned a majority

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of Navigator shares and he never

met Gennady Timchenko.

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More revelations are to come.

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A former Conservative activist has

told this programme she was ignored

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when she told the House of Commons

authorities she'd been raped

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by a man who worked for a Tory MP.

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The woman, whose identity

is being protected, told us

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she was assured by Commons officials

that it would be "passed on"

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to senior party figures -

but now says her report

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was not taken seriously.

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When you seen so much happen

and nothing happened

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on all of those occasions as well,

it's arrogant to assume I would be

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anything that stood out.

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treated any differently,

that my claim would be

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anything that stood out.

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I'm a number, a name, not a person.

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I'm just an allegation.

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Probably one of many.

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And there is no importance

attached to those.

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It only becomes important

when it becomes a problem.

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And it becomes a problem

when it is picked up by the media.

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Meanwhile Theresa May will meet

the other political party leaders

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today to discuss a new parliamentary

complaints system to deal

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with allegations of sexual

misconduct by MPs.

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The deputy prime minister,

Damian Green, will be interviewed

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today as part of a Cabinet Office

investigation into claims that

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pornography was found on a computer

in his parliamentary office.

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He strenuously denies

all allegations against him.

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A commuter train has derailed

at a station in south-west London.

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British Transport Police

say around 250 people

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were on board the service

from Basingstoke to Waterloo,

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when it came partially off

the tracks at Wimbledon station just

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after six o'clock this morning.

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There are reports of

some minor injuries.

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The children's commissioner has

called for more mental health

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support for children in care -

saying there should be a presumption

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that it is essential.

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Anne Longfield told

the Victoria Derbyshire programme

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that more should be done to help

children recover from

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traumatic upbringings.

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Almost half of those in the care

system have a diagnosable

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mental health disorder,

and looked-after children

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are four times more likely

to have a mental health condition.

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A Saudi Arabian prince and several

other high-ranking officials have

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been killed in a helicopter crash

close to the country's border

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with Yemen, according to reports

on state media.

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Prince Mansour bin Murqin

was a deputy governor,

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and a son of the country's

former crown prince.

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It's not yet known why

the aircraft crashed.

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The deposed Catalan leader

Carles Puigdemont has been released

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from custody by a judge in Belgium.

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Mr Puigdemont and four

of his ministers surrendered

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themselves to police

after the Spanish government issued

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an EU-wide warrant for their arrest.

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They've been told they are not

allowed to leave the country

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and are expected to appear

at a Belgian court in

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the next two weeks.

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Police in Devon say they've made

a breakthrough in a twenty year

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old murder investigation.

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14-year-old Kate Bushell

was attacked as she walked her

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neighbour's dog near her home

in Exeter in 1997.

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Police now believe that her killer

may have been wearing bright

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orange work overalls,

after discovering fibres

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on her body and clothing.

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Starting today, some NHS patients

will be able to access GP

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consultations via video calls

on their smartphone 24 hours a day.

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The Royal College of GPs is warning

that some patients could be left

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behind and complex conditions

may be misdiagnosed.

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But the team behind the project say

it will bring health consultations

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into the 21st Century.

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It's high time that NHS patients

were giving the opportunity to

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benefit from technology to improve

access to health care. We have

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benefited from this kind of

technology in so many different

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aspects of our lives, whether be

shopping or banking, and it's time

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we were able to do that in health

for NHS patients.

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It's been described as one

of the biggest shocks in Strictly's

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history as Aston Merrygold was voted

off the show last night.

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Aston was one of the bookies'

favourites to win but the JLS star

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and his dance partner

Janette Manrara failed to impress

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the judges with their Jackson 5

inspired Viennese Waltz.

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Judge Craig Revel-Horwood

only gave them a four.

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I've had friends that have done this

show before and they have said, you

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will have the most amount of fun

from start to finish and they

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weren't lying. From this lady to

every single person in here, you can

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your guys, yourself, Claudia, you

amazing lot I get to see and spend

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so much time with and learn from and

make some amazing friends. Honestly,

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I've had the best time and it's been

amazing.

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That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 9.30am.

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A friend text me last night after

the results show saying she was

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literally going to boycott watching

Strictly. I replied saying, I bet

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you don't! This morning, do you

think the revelations about sexual

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harassment, and you have told as it

happens in the NHS, taxi firms,

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schools, offices and factories, and

we now know it happens at

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Westminster. Do these revelations

represent a tipping point where

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people in positions of power stop

abusing that privilege by harassing

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those in less senior positions. Do

you genuinely think this will lead

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to sweeping changes in how we all

behave?

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Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning -

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use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

and if you text, you will be charged

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at the standard network rate.

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A tweet from Kathleen, sexual

harassment will not disappear. Not

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much faith there.

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Let's get some sport

with Kathryn Downes.

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And Manchester City may be eight

points clear at the top

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of the Premier League

after beating Arsenal but it's

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Arsene Wenger's post-match comments

making the headlines.

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What's he had to say?

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We hear all kinds of excuses in

football. A couple of weeks ago we

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heard Manchester city manager Pep

Guardiola blaming the ball for a bad

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performance from his side. This one

is a little more standard, blaming

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the referee. Arsene Wenger having a

go at the officials after the match

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yesterday, saying he feels the

referees do not work enough. The

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level drops every season at the

moment and overall it is not

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acceptable. This after his side were

beaten 3-1 by Manchester City,

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dropping down to sixth in the

Premier League. He was grumpy about

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this challenge on Raheem Sterling,

when he claimed Sterling dived.

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Replays showed he was pretty much

ploughed into. The third goal for

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Manchester City, where replays show,

it looked offside. Even the City

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players looked surprised to be

allowed to play on. We have was the

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result with Arsene Wenger not happy

at all about the officiating. This

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is what he had to say.

I believe it

was no penalty. It was a provoked

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penalty by Sterling. We know he

dives well, he does that very well.

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And the third goal was offside. I am

very upset because at 2-1 we were in

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the game and looks like we could

score. We had many dangerous

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situations.

That third city was

offside, but Alan Shearer was strong

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in his criticism of Arsene Wenger,

saying it is unacceptable to pick up

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one player like Raheem Sterling, and

that he owes him an apology.

To

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deflect from his team's inadequacies

and deficiencies, it's another want

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to question somebody's integrity and

be run. He owes Raheem Sterling an

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apology. No way that a dive, and it

was a penalty.

Whether or not Arsene

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Wenger apologises to Raheem

Sterling, we will have to wait and

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see. Managers can be fined for

speaking out against referees and

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officials. Jose Mourinho had a

couple of times last season after

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being outspoken against refereeing

mistakes, as he saw them. But it

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seems the stakes are so high in the

Premier League that managers can't

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keep a lid on their frustration. And

the fines do not match the salaries

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they earn so they make no impact

whatsoever.

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A former Conservative Party activist

has told this programme she reported

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an alleged rape to House of Commons

authorities but was completely

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ignored and left feeling worthless.

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She says she told the Commons clerk

a "toxic, heavy drinking and sex

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driven culture within Westminster"

had contributed to the alleged

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attack, which "destroyed" her.

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In an exclusive interview, Amanda -

whose name has been changed

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to protect identities -

says she was raped by someone

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who worked for a Conservative MP.

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After it was reported to police

and due to go to trial she spoke

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to the House of Commons Clerk

and says she was told her concerns

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about the culture and the alleged

rape itself would be passed

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to the then Chief Whip,

Gavin Williamson,

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who is now the Defence Secretary

and Andrea Leadsom,

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the Leader of the House of Commons.

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The Commons Clerk says he did not

formally report the rape allegation

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as there was already

a criminal case under way.

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But he did pass on her

general concerns.

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Both MPs say they were not told

about the allegation of rape,

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but Andrea Leadsom admits

she was told about concerns over

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the culture at Westminster.

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Catrin Nye has this

exclusive report.

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I was raped by someone senior to me

in the Conservative Party.

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It was violent, it wasn't

in Westminster, and it

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shouldn't have happened.

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And I remember the attack,

during the attack, I remember

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the room disappearing around me

and thinking I was going to die.

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When he left the next

day, I was at a police

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station within an hour.

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And I reported it.

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It's destroyed me.

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And I question how I could be

so stupid as to get into that

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political scene, and I blame myself

for doing so because it led

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to what happened to me.

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If I hadn't have got

into that scene, I wouldn't

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have been attacked.

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It's as simple as that.

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The criminal case progressed

and was due to go to trial.

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Amanda, whose name we've changed

to protect the identity of both

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parties, says she decided she wanted

to talk to Commons officials

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about her alleged rape and how

she felt the culture of Westminster

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contributed to it.

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We've confirmed that she had

a 25 minute conversation

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with the House of Commons clerk.

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Parliamentary authorities let me

know that they were passing it

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on to the Chief Whip,

who was Gavin Williamson at that

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time, and the leader

of the House, Andrea Leadsom.

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But that was never followed up.

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As Chief Whip, Gavin Williamson

was in charge of the conduct of MPs,

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and Andrea Leadsom was in charge

of the day-to-day

0:18:260:18:28

workings of the Commons.

0:18:280:18:29

Amanda says she left that

conversation believing she had

0:18:290:18:31

secured a meeting with them.

0:18:310:18:33

Gavin Williamson has since been

promoted to Defence Secretary,

0:18:330:18:40

and Andrea Leadsom has since said

parliament would take a

0:18:400:18:42

zero-tolerance approach

to allegations of sexual misconduct.

0:18:420:18:44

The clerk of the House of Commons

refused to tell us who he spoke

0:18:440:18:48

to about what he'd been told,

but did say that Amanda's views

0:18:480:18:50

on the culture in Parliament only

were informally reported onwards

0:18:500:18:53

and were acted on, though no-one

will tell us how exactly

0:18:530:18:56

it was acted on and Amanda

was not told either.

0:18:560:18:59

We've confirmed that

concerns about the culture

0:18:590:19:04

were passed to Andrea Leadsom,

but both Leadsom and Williamson

0:19:040:19:07

insisted they were not told

about the rape claims.

0:19:070:19:11

Senior Conservatives say they're

shocked the allegations did not

0:19:110:19:13

reach the Chief Whip's office.

0:19:130:19:15

I never received contact

from either of them.

0:19:150:19:19

The Parliamentary authorities never

followed it up with me either.

0:19:190:19:22

I've heard nothing.

0:19:220:19:24

How did that make you feel?

0:19:240:19:27

I felt as if my experience wasn't

important, and that the experiences

0:19:270:19:34

of others who had had similar things

happen to them weren't

0:19:340:19:36

important either.

0:19:360:19:42

And how do you feel about

the culture in Westminster now?

0:19:420:19:47

It's toxic.

0:19:470:19:52

It is not a place I would advise any

young, particularly young women,

0:19:520:19:55

but young people as a whole

to get into.

0:19:550:19:57

Can you tell me more

about the culture, what it's like?

0:19:570:20:00

Heavy drinking, sex driven.

0:20:000:20:03

Very much...

0:20:030:20:07

self-interested.

0:20:070:20:11

I've lost count of the number

of women that I have seen plied

0:20:110:20:15

with drink to the point

that they couldn't stand up,

0:20:150:20:20

and then being escorted out of bars

by senior staffers and MPs.

0:20:200:20:23

I've lost count, and people

don't bat an eyelid.

0:20:230:20:27

Women are meat.

0:20:270:20:28

New intern, new meat.

0:20:280:20:31

You really think it's that bad?

0:20:310:20:33

Yeah.

0:20:330:20:34

Yeah.

0:20:340:20:37

I don't think it's that bad,

I know it's that bad.

0:20:370:20:40

You don't realise until you get out

quite how bad it was,

0:20:400:20:44

and it's only now looking back

into that environment that

0:20:440:20:47

I can see those things.

0:20:470:20:49

I'm pretty sure there are those

who are still within it

0:20:490:20:51

who don't see these problems.

0:20:510:20:53

So did you think it was

normal at the time?

0:20:530:20:55

Yeah, yeah.

0:20:550:20:56

I mean, I've had men

stick their hands up my skirt,

0:20:560:21:00

I've had men ply me with so much

drink, again, that

0:21:000:21:02

I couldn't stand up.

0:21:020:21:03

I was party to all that.

0:21:030:21:05

I, in fact, at one point I saw it

happen to other women,

0:21:050:21:08

and I just accepted it as normal.

0:21:080:21:11

Do you think they care

about the reputation,

0:21:110:21:13

about what these kinds

of allegations do to

0:21:130:21:15

the reputation of Parliament?

0:21:150:21:18

Only if they hit the press.

0:21:180:21:22

Only if they're picked up

by the media and attract attention.

0:21:220:21:26

But allegations in themselves,

they can be brushed under

0:21:260:21:30

the carpet, they can be ignored.

0:21:300:21:32

Amanda is also critical

of Theresa May.

0:21:320:21:34

I don't think women in politics get

where they are by serving

0:21:340:21:38

the interests of other women.

0:21:380:21:42

I think...

0:21:420:21:45

particularly within the Conservative

Party that rings true.

0:21:450:21:51

We've had two female

prime ministers -

0:21:510:21:57

that should tell that,

you know, politics is still a very

0:21:570:22:02

male-driven space and in order

to succeed you have to act

0:22:020:22:06

like a man and push feminine

interests aside, and particularly

0:22:060:22:10

anything with feminism

within the Conservative Party,

0:22:100:22:14

anything tainted with the name

feminist or similar is met

0:22:140:22:16

with mockery and contempt.

0:22:160:22:20

The man Amanda had accused of rape,

who was not an MP, strongly

0:22:200:22:24

denied the allegation,

and the case was eventually dropped

0:22:240:22:26

after a review of the evidence.

0:22:260:22:29

But when she told the Parliamentary

authorities about it,

0:22:290:22:32

and her concerns about the culture,

the case was due to go to trial,

0:22:320:22:35

and she says she was ignored,

despite their obvious seriousness.

0:22:350:22:39

Why didn't you do something?

0:22:390:22:40

Why?

0:22:400:22:43

Not surprised in the slightest.

0:22:430:22:46

I'm resigned to the fact that

nobody does anything

0:22:460:22:49

about these things now.

0:22:490:22:50

You must be disappointed?

0:22:500:22:51

Yeah.

0:22:510:22:55

Well, a bit, but when you've seen

so much happen and nothing happen on

0:22:550:22:59

all of those occasions as well, it's

arrogant to assume that I would be

0:22:590:23:04

treated any differently,

that my claim would be

0:23:040:23:07

anything that stood out.

0:23:070:23:11

I'm a number, a name, not a person.

0:23:110:23:15

I'm just an allegation,

probably one of many.

0:23:150:23:22

And there's no importance

attached to those.

0:23:220:23:27

It only becomes important

when it becomes a problem,

0:23:270:23:33

and it becomes a problem when it's

picked up by the media,

0:23:330:23:36

when somebody stands up

for the people that these things

0:23:360:23:40

have happened to.

0:23:400:23:43

What do you hope's going to happen

as a result of you speaking to us?

0:23:430:23:49

I would hope that a code

of conduct is introduced,

0:23:490:23:53

and a no-tolerance policy equally

introduced to monitor

0:23:530:23:56

the behaviour of all individuals

working in Parliament,

0:23:560:23:58

regardless of their status.

0:23:580:24:03

I would also like to hope

that the licensing requirements

0:24:030:24:07

are reviewed in the bars

on the Parliamentary estate,

0:24:070:24:11

and that consent workshops

are compulsory for anybody

0:24:110:24:17

in employment within

Parliament, MP or staffer.

0:24:170:24:22

It sounds petty, it sounds

like very, very small actions,

0:24:220:24:30

but the fact that this has happened

for so long, these small

0:24:300:24:33

actions need to be taken,

and their needs to be a no-tolerance

0:24:330:24:36

policy, and any allegation

that is made has to be properly

0:24:360:24:39

investigated and treated

as a serious, serious offence.

0:24:390:24:48

Andrew says a deeply powerful story.

Mummy says, "This story is

0:24:560:25:03

heartbreaking. Sort it out

Westminster." A number of you asked

0:25:030:25:08

why the woman didn't go to the

police. She did. It was as it was

0:25:080:25:13

proceeding and she went to the House

of Commons clerk and the case was

0:25:130:25:16

dropped.

0:25:160:25:17

Let's get reaction to that story

from Conservative MP, Mims Davies,

0:25:170:25:20

who is the chair of the all-party

Parliamentary group

0:25:200:25:22

for Women in Parliament.

0:25:220:25:23

And Labour MP, Rupa Huq,

who says she was sexually harassed

0:25:230:25:26

by an MEP when she was in her 20s.

0:25:260:25:31

Mims, how do you react to the fact

that an alleged rape was brought to

0:25:310:25:36

the attention of the Parliamentary

authorities as it was proceeding to

0:25:360:25:39

a criminal trial, but seemingly no

action was taken?

Well, first of all

0:25:390:25:44

I'm so sorry to hear this experience

of someone who in politics who hoped

0:25:440:25:47

to have a good experience by getting

involved with the party. Obviously

0:25:470:25:53

there is an issue here with it being

off the Parliamentary estate and

0:25:530:25:58

what was reported to the House

authorities. But the reality is, if

0:25:580:26:04

this is endemic as an underlying

culture, then certainly what has

0:26:040:26:09

been coming to the fore over the

last couple of weeks, we absolutely

0:26:090:26:13

need to deal with so that victims or

people who were concerned about any

0:26:130:26:17

behaviour of anybody who works for

the House of Commons, any experience

0:26:170:26:21

within Parliament, that they feel

there is due process to go through.

0:26:210:26:25

I'm delighted about the code of

conduct that we have all

0:26:250:26:29

Conservatives in fact, I raised a

ten minute rule Bill seven months

0:26:290:26:35

ago about enshrining the noble

principles for councillors and I

0:26:350:26:38

would like to see that culture going

cross party and I now Rupa across

0:26:380:26:43

the weekend on different news

programmes saying there is a lot of

0:26:430:26:47

good in Parliament as well and we

need to make sure that's what people

0:26:470:26:51

see rather than what appears to be

unpleasant behaviour, but it is not

0:26:510:26:56

my experience of being part of the

Conservative Party. It has been a

0:26:560:26:59

positive experience being an MP, but

it appears that some staffers and

0:26:590:27:03

some people being involved in all

parties, are having very unpleasant

0:27:030:27:07

experiences and our party is

certainly not the only party that

0:27:070:27:10

needs to be really looking at itself

and all the procedures around it.

Is

0:27:100:27:15

it conceivable to you that a 25

minute conversation of this nature,

0:27:150:27:20

between this woman, and the clerk of

the House of Commons, involving a

0:27:200:27:24

rape allegation against a man who

worked for a Conservative MP would

0:27:240:27:29

not be passed on to the Chief Whip

or Leader of the House of Commons?

0:27:290:27:36

My understanding of the difficulty

is this happened off the

0:27:360:27:39

Parliamentary estate and because

there were legal proceedings already

0:27:390:27:41

happening. Obviously, Gavin

Williamson and Andrea Leadsom were

0:27:410:27:47

mentioned in the piece that we just

heard. My experience of them in

0:27:470:27:53

their roles has been very much

taking their responsibilities on the

0:27:530:27:56

Parliamentary estate incredibly

seriously. Now, if there is a

0:27:560:28:00

disconnect between what happens off

the Parliamentary estate and on,

0:28:000:28:02

that's what we need to be dealing

with and as I say, this lady who has

0:28:020:28:08

come forward, with such a powerful

story, we applaud her for what she

0:28:080:28:12

has done and we have to learn all

the lessons cross party from all

0:28:120:28:16

these brave women who are coming

forward and showing that their

0:28:160:28:19

experience of politics is not a very

good one.

The clerk says he didn't

0:28:190:28:24

formerly report to Andrea Leadsom

and Gavin William and there was a

0:28:240:28:29

rape allegation because the clerk

says there was a criminal case

0:28:290:28:32

proceeding. He refused to tell us

who he did speak to about what he

0:28:320:28:36

had been told, saying only that

Amanda's allegations were informally

0:28:360:28:41

reported onwards and were acted on.

No one can tell us exactly how it

0:28:410:28:45

was acted on and Amanda wasn't told

either. Why do you think that would

0:28:450:28:49

be?

I'm sorry, Victoria, I just

can't tell you.

Could it be because

0:28:490:28:55

nothing was done?

I don't believe so

because I have a spent several

0:28:550:28:59

conversations this weekend with our

new Chief Whip who is going through

0:28:590:29:04

every issue relating to an MP and

making sure that the code of on duct

0:29:040:29:09

and the proper procedures are put in

place. We have got the Prime

0:29:090:29:13

Minister meeting with other leaders

today. So, I don't believe that the

0:29:130:29:17

culture that we are moving forward

to, we would ever have that

0:29:170:29:20

experience, but I don't know what

happened in this situation. My

0:29:200:29:23

understanding is if the drinking

culture is reported, that should be

0:29:230:29:26

dealt with. I certainly, as I say,

Andrea and Gavin, I have been a new

0:29:260:29:34

MP since 2015, himself issues that I

have been concerned about, I have

0:29:340:29:38

always had good responses from both

of those people. There must be a

0:29:380:29:42

disconnect there somewhere.

Now, the

Defence Secretary and now the Chief

0:29:420:29:47

Whip, who says we can confirm the

rape allegation was never reported

0:29:470:29:52

to the then Chief Whip. If it was,

we would have taken that allegation

0:29:520:29:57

serious and referred to the police.

On the Parliamentary estate if there

0:29:570:30:00

is already legal proceedings going

on, that is the difficulty here. But

0:30:000:30:03

that doesn't help that young lady.

Andrea Leadsom confirmed she was

0:30:030:30:08

told about the complaints regarding

culture, but not the rape

0:30:080:30:12

allegations. But again, nothing

seems to have been done?

0:30:120:30:19

She described a toxic heavy drinking

culture.

These quotes, heavy

0:30:190:30:26

drinking, sex driven, very much self

interested. I've lost count of the

0:30:260:30:29

amount of women I have seen plied

with drink to the point where they

0:30:290:30:32

couldn't stand up, and then being

escorted out of bars by senior

0:30:320:30:38

staffers and MPs. Women are meat.

Newington, new meat. -- new intern.

0:30:380:30:49

The way she has described that,

that's grotesque.

My experience,

0:30:490:30:55

having come through the conservative

women's organisation is absolutely a

0:30:550:30:59

very respectful and positive culture

within the Conservative Party more

0:30:590:31:04

broadly. I came to Parliament in

2015, the first time I had ever come

0:31:040:31:08

other than a morning shadowing

another MP. My experience has been

0:31:080:31:13

wholly positive. I have been very

clear in this role, both as a

0:31:130:31:18

constituency MP and in the all-party

group, that I want Westminster to be

0:31:180:31:22

a welcoming and positive place for

women to succeed. Clearly

0:31:220:31:26

historically that is a very

different experience to the one I

0:31:260:31:29

have had and am currently having,

but it doesn't mean we can't do

0:31:290:31:33

something about that perception.

Every week in our constituency

0:31:330:31:38

surgeries, where processes have gone

wrong and people have been let down,

0:31:380:31:42

MPs are doing the best for their

constituents. We need to be seen to

0:31:420:31:45

be doing this in Parliament. On the

whole, many of us do great work and

0:31:450:31:50

this is very damning. It's a

terrible scourge.

Rupa Huq, Labour

0:31:500:31:57

MP, you were sexually harassed as a

student by a male NEP at the

0:31:570:32:01

European Parliament in 1995. Do you

think this is now a turning point in

0:32:010:32:08

the way people in positions of power

across Westminster and across all

0:32:080:32:12

sectors behave?

I do. I think the

dam has been broken, the genie has

0:32:120:32:20

come out of the bottle, whichever

expression you want to use. About a

0:32:200:32:26

week ago we were talking about the

sex toy minister. That's not the

0:32:260:32:31

title of the Minister we were

talking about. We have had

0:32:310:32:35

revelations of all this time and my

worry was we would get something to

0:32:350:32:38

patch up the crisis, a one off. But

now there has to be something

0:32:380:32:43

systematic to deal with these

processes that are not there at the

0:32:430:32:46

moment. I do think it's a turning

point. We saw it with expenses.

0:32:460:32:50

There are a lot of regulations about

financial impropriety but nothing

0:32:500:32:55

really about sexual misconduct, and

I think the time has come because of

0:32:550:33:02

all the stuff we have seen.

The

Prime Minister will meet leaders of

0:33:020:33:05

all Westminster parties in the House

of Commons this evening. What

0:33:050:33:07

proposals would you like to see

introduced?

The case with Amanda is

0:33:070:33:12

gut-wrenching and stomach churning

me awful, what happened to her. I

0:33:120:33:15

would like to say it's completely

shocking, but in the last week we

0:33:150:33:21

have seen things that it's turning

into something unshockable. The Bex

0:33:210:33:26

Bailey case for incidents. There is

no real place to report this. There

0:33:260:33:31

are several Commons clerks, I not

clear who it is, so who is this

0:33:310:33:35

person? And if it is off the

premises, there is no clear chain of

0:33:350:33:40

command to how to report this. We

the and independent body. Somebody

0:33:400:33:49

not connected to the House of

Commons or to any of the parties. --

0:33:490:33:54

we need an independent body.

Could

the committee of standards in Public

0:33:540:33:59

life extend its remit? Is that a

credible body?

That committee is

0:33:590:34:04

about selflessness, the Nolan

principles and financial stuff.

0:34:040:34:09

Apparently in 2012 there was a code

of conduct that was vetoed by the

0:34:090:34:13

whips. The culture of the whips, and

these mysterious terms to people on

0:34:130:34:17

the outside, Chief Whip, if you're

not in the system you don't know

0:34:170:34:20

what this means. Their job is to

shore up their own party. That's why

0:34:200:34:27

there has been such reluctance. We

need something independent and rules

0:34:270:34:30

for them to uphold. At the moment

the rules are lax, if nonexistent.

0:34:300:34:34

There is no sexual harassment

policy, no HR in the House of

0:34:340:34:39

Commons.

What about consent classes

for MPs and those who work for them?

0:34:390:34:43

I think all these things should

hinge on consent. What happened to

0:34:430:34:48

me 22 years ago, the case of a male

NEP with wandering hands, putting

0:34:480:34:54

them somewhere I didn't want them. I

rebuffed him and that was the end of

0:34:540:34:59

it. It left me startled more than

anything else.

What was he thinking?

0:34:590:35:05

This person is not very tall

good-looking, but he had power

0:35:050:35:08

because he was an MEP. You have

these massively asymmetrical power

0:35:080:35:13

relations wherever there is politics

because it's an insecure working

0:35:130:35:16

environment where loads of people

want to get into. It's the same as

0:35:160:35:21

any zero hours working culture where

people want to get on so they don't

0:35:210:35:26

speak out. And women don't like

speaking out, because to bring a

0:35:260:35:30

prosecution, the body of evidence

you need, the witness statements,

0:35:300:35:33

and for Amanda it must be traumatic

to be reliving all of that. He was

0:35:330:35:40

probably thinking... I can't imagine

I was the only person he was doing

0:35:400:35:48

that too. There are lots of interns

continually arriving at Strasbourg.

0:35:480:35:56

One person has tweeted, it's about

time the police were stopped.

0:35:560:35:59

Another says get rid of the

Westminster bar subsidy and use it

0:35:590:36:04

for an HR department. Mahamat says

he finds it difficult to believe

0:36:040:36:07

nobody in the Conservatives or

Labour knew about it. Really

0:36:070:36:15

interesting to know if this will

change things across all

0:36:150:36:18

professions, jobs and sectors. Thank

you to Rupa Huq, thank you for your

0:36:180:36:23

time.

0:36:230:36:24

Still to come:

0:36:240:36:25

The Prime Minister

Theresa May is due to give a speech

0:36:250:36:30

in around 15 minutes' time

where she'll talk about Westminster

0:36:300:36:33

abuse and life after Brexit -

we'll bring it to you live.

0:36:330:36:36

Plus, we'll look at the Queen's

finances following that huge leak

0:36:360:36:38

of financial documents

which is being called

0:36:380:36:40

the paradise papers.

0:36:400:36:42

Time for the latest

news - here's Annita.

0:36:420:36:53

26 people, including several

children have been killed in a

0:36:530:36:56

shooting in a church service in

Texas. The attack happened at the

0:36:560:36:59

first Baptist Church in the small

town of Sutherland Springs.

0:36:590:37:03

Authorities say the youngest victim

was five years old, the eldest was

0:37:030:37:07

72. Police found the suspect dead in

his car. There is currently no

0:37:070:37:11

indication as to his motive.

0:37:110:37:14

The people who manage

the Queen's finances have

0:37:140:37:16

defended their investment practices

after the revelation that some

0:37:160:37:18

of her wealth has been placed

in two offshore funds.

0:37:180:37:20

It follows a huge new leak

of financial documents,

0:37:200:37:26

dubbed the "Paradise Papers",

revealing how the rich and powerful

0:37:260:37:28

invest their money in tax

havens around the world.

0:37:280:37:30

The BBC does not know

the source of the leak,

0:37:300:37:34

which contains more than 13 million

documents, mostly from one finance

0:37:340:37:36

firm based in Bermuda.

0:37:360:37:40

A former Conservative activist has

told this programme she was ignored

0:37:400:37:43

when she told the House of Commons

authorities she'd been raped

0:37:430:37:45

by a man who worked for a Tory MP.

0:37:450:37:48

The woman, whose identity

is being protected, told us

0:37:480:37:54

she was assured by Commons officials

that it would be "passed on"

0:37:540:37:57

to senior party figures -

but now says her report was not

0:37:570:37:59

taken seriously.

0:37:590:38:01

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

0:38:010:38:03

Here's some sport now

with Kathryn Downes.

0:38:030:38:08

Here are the sports headlines.

Arsene Wenger has accused Raheem

0:38:080:38:11

Sterling of diving and says the

refereeing in the Premier League is

0:38:110:38:14

getting worse by the season. Arsenal

lost 3-1 to Manchester city, who are

0:38:140:38:20

now eight points clear at the top of

the table. Chelsea beat Manchester

0:38:200:38:23

United 1-0 at Stamford Bridge, Jose

Mourinho on the losing side as he

0:38:230:38:27

returns to his former club.

Kilmarnock chalked up a much-needed

0:38:270:38:31

victory in the Scottish Premiership,

beating Hearts under new manager

0:38:310:38:35

Steve Clark, taking them out of the

relegation zone. Justin Rose is

0:38:350:38:39

making a late bid to finish the year

as Europe's number one golfer.

0:38:390:38:44

Victory in Turkey gave him

back-to-back wins and he is closing

0:38:440:38:48

in on Tommy Fleetwood at the top of

the standings.

0:38:480:38:51

The people who manage

the Queen's finances have

0:38:510:38:54

defended their investment practices

after the revelation that some

0:38:540:38:56

of her wealth has been placed

in two offshore funds.

0:38:560:39:00

The Duchy of Lancaster,

which provides the Queen

0:39:000:39:02

with an income, held funds

in the Cayman Islands and Bermuda.

0:39:020:39:06

Here's how it works.

0:39:060:39:09

A small amount of the Queen's money

went into a buy-to-rent retailer

0:40:490:40:53

called BrightHouse -

a company which has been criticised

0:40:530:40:55

for irresponsible lending.

0:40:550:41:01

Last month, the UK's financial

regulator said BrightHouse,

0:41:010:41:06

which sells electrical goods

and furniture predominantly

0:41:060:41:08

to people on lower incomes

via weekly installments,

0:41:080:41:13

had not acted as a "responsible

lender" and ordered it to pay

0:41:130:41:18

£15 million compensation

to 249,000 customers.

0:41:180:41:26

Last year, in an exclusive

report for this programme,

0:41:260:41:28

the former Labour leader Ed Miliband

called for better regulation

0:41:280:41:31

on buy-to-rent firms

such as BrightHouse.

0:41:310:41:32

BrightHouse have 300

stores across the country,

0:41:320:41:34

often in the poorest areas.

0:41:340:41:36

One of them is in Doncaster,

my constituency.

0:41:360:41:40

I'm concerned that BrightHouse has

taken advantage of people

0:41:420:41:45

on benefits and working

on low incomes.

0:41:450:41:49

But in the course of our

investigation, I have been really

0:41:490:41:52

shocked to find BrightHouse

is selling to people

0:41:520:41:54

with mental health problems

and learning disabilities.

0:41:540:41:59

Paul, not his real name,

he asked us to hide his identity.

0:41:590:42:03

He has learning difficulties

and mental health problems.

0:42:030:42:05

You are a customer of BrightHouse?

0:42:050:42:07

Yes.

0:42:070:42:11

And do you want to just tell me,

from the receipts, what you owe

0:42:110:42:14

them, and what goods

you have with them?

0:42:140:42:18

That's that.

That's the sofa?

0:42:180:42:20

Yeah.

0:42:200:42:21

Telly, CD.

0:42:210:42:25

So you have on this

receipt, five items.

0:42:250:42:29

How have you ended up with that

number of items, do you think?

0:42:290:42:32

You must have started off with one?

0:42:320:42:36

I started off with one.

0:42:360:42:38

I don't know how it works,

I really don't know.

0:42:380:42:42

The disclosure is among the first

from a leak of millions

0:42:420:42:47

of confidential documents relating

to investments made

0:42:470:42:49

through tax havens by wealthy

individuals and companies.

0:42:490:42:51

They've been dubbed

"The Paradise Papers".

0:42:510:42:52

They were obtained by

the German newspaper

0:42:520:42:55

Suddeutsche Zeitung and shared

with the International Consortium

0:42:550:42:58

of Investigative Journalists -

including the BBC's

0:42:580:43:00

Panorama programme.

0:43:000:43:05

David McClure is with us

in the studio this morning -

0:43:050:43:07

he's author of Royal Legacy,

an investigation into

0:43:070:43:09

the royal finances.

0:43:090:43:11

And with us on webcam

is Richard Brooks -

0:43:110:43:13

a former tax inspector at HMRC

an author of The Great Tax Robbery.

0:43:130:43:18

And we can speak to Jo Galazka,

whose family had years

0:43:180:43:21

of bad experiences with

the rent-to-own company BrightHouse.

0:43:210:43:28

Wee mate interrupts this

conversation if the Prime Minister

0:43:280:43:30

begins her speech at the CBI's

annual conference. -- we might

0:43:300:43:35

interrupt. Why is it controversial

that the Queen's private estate

0:43:350:43:41

invested £10 million in offshore tax

havens?

I think the controversy is

0:43:410:43:46

over what these tax havens do, and

as the report said, there is no

0:43:460:43:52

evidence of direct tax avoidance by

the Duchy of Lancaster, the Queen's

0:43:520:43:55

fund. But the money has gone through

the Cayman Islands, which is

0:43:550:44:02

associated with secrecy, which is

involved in tax avoidance by other

0:44:020:44:06

companies with corruption, tax

evasion, and it's not the place the

0:44:060:44:13

Queen's advisers should be putting

her money.

If there is no tax

0:44:130:44:16

advantage for her doing it there,

why do it there?

I think there are

0:44:160:44:22

other marginal regulation type

advantages for the funds involved.

0:44:220:44:27

These tax havens do not just

specialise in tax avoidance, they

0:44:270:44:32

also offer light regulation that

appeals to fund management

0:44:320:44:36

industries. That's why the money is

there in the first place. It's not

0:44:360:44:42

really a tax issue in this case.

Would the Queen know where the money

0:44:420:44:45

is going?

It's extremely unlikely.

She does not have hands-on control

0:44:450:44:52

of the Duchy. That's done by the

Council, and below that there is a

0:44:520:44:56

series of about 18 fully employed

officials of the Duchy. She would

0:44:560:45:02

not know of the individual

investments going on.

Why would all

0:45:020:45:08

those expert people think it

appropriate for the British Monarch

0:45:080:45:11

to invest money in offshore tax

havens?

0:45:110:45:14

Well that's a very good question.

Someone should have looked at it

0:45:170:45:21

more closely. Does this look bad?

Nothing illegal has happened. It

0:45:210:45:27

damaged the brand. Someone should

have said, "Hey, why are we

0:45:270:45:33

investing in these funds?"

It seems

inconceivable that no one said that.

0:45:330:45:38

You would like sensible people would

say, "What would this look like to

0:45:380:45:43

the British public if it ever came

out?

Maybe they thought it would

0:45:430:45:48

never come out.

Jo, your family's

experiences as a BrightHouse

0:45:480:45:54

customer?

My family, we have had a

number of goods and items from

0:45:540:46:01

BrightHouse and we are one of the

families that Ed Miliband referred

0:46:010:46:03

to, that have been exploited. My mum

has got severe mental health

0:46:030:46:08

problems and yes, she has been

completely exploited by BrightHouse

0:46:080:46:12

and it resulted in goods being

returned, despite her paying

0:46:120:46:16

hundreds of pounds for them. Even a

sofa being taken away. It is a

0:46:160:46:22

scandal and I'm really disappointed

to see that the Royal Family have

0:46:220:46:25

shares in such a company like

BrightHouse.

0:46:250:46:28

They don't have shares in

BrightHouse, but they invested in a

0:46:280:46:33

company that has links with

BrightHouse. What do you think of

0:46:330:46:36

that?

I'm truly horrified because

you know what does it say to

0:46:360:46:42

families like mine and you know

people in this country who have got

0:46:420:46:46

mental health problems who have been

exploited by BrightHouse. Has it

0:46:460:46:51

given it the green light and the

go-ahead to practise practises like

0:46:510:46:56

that.

BrightHouse says it provides

services to millions of British

0:46:560:47:02

people who are unable to access

traditional lines of credit.

I would

0:47:020:47:07

have to disagree with that. With my

mum, they were constantly harassing

0:47:070:47:12

her, asking her, do you want

ad-ones, do you need this? It is

0:47:120:47:15

coming up to Christmas, the children

may want a games console, they may

0:47:150:47:19

want a lap toop and as far as I am

concerned, they ex-plotted my mum.

0:47:190:47:23

She is on benefits and clearly can't

afford the repayments and at one

0:47:230:47:26

time she was paying up to £50 a week

in repayments. So tell me how that

0:47:260:47:30

is responsible? I disagree with that

and they're going to say that, but

0:47:300:47:35

families like mine are the tip of

the iceberg, there is much more if

0:47:350:47:39

we scratch below the surface.

Do you

know if your mum will be entitled to

0:47:390:47:43

any of the compensation?

She is has

made contact and they said they

0:47:430:47:47

would be in touch by the end of the

year. Yes, she does qualify as one

0:47:470:47:50

of those people.

David, it was a relatively small

0:47:500:47:55

amount of money from the Queen's

private estate, just over £3,000

0:47:550:47:58

that ended up in the company behind

BrightHouse. Does the amount of

0:47:580:48:03

money matter?

It doesn't matter.

It's a small sum, but it looks bad.

0:48:030:48:10

It damages the brand. And someone

should have seen that this it would

0:48:100:48:15

cause embarrassment. So, it's a

small amount, but the individual

0:48:150:48:20

amount is small, but there is about

£10 million invested overall in the

0:48:200:48:27

off-shore tax havens so it is part

of a much bigger sum.

Do you think

0:48:270:48:30

it will lead to greater transparency

and inn what the duchy does with the

0:48:300:48:34

Queen's money?

I think it will add

to the pressure for Parliament to

0:48:340:48:40

try to impose greater scrutiny over

how the duchy is run. In the past,

0:48:400:48:45

they have, they have there have been

a few odd Parliamentary Committees

0:48:450:48:49

that looked into, but they have not

got a handle on how the money is

0:48:490:48:53

spent.

Richard, is it possible tond

tax havens?

It's difficult. I mean,

0:48:530:49:02

the process is beginning, very, very

slowly, but you know the irony is

0:49:020:49:06

that we are all, tend to be agreeing

that the Queen's money should not

0:49:060:49:10

have been put into a tax haven.

I'm

going to interrupt you, sorry. The

0:49:100:49:15

Prime Minister, Theresa May, is on

stage at the CBI conference. Let's

0:49:150:49:18

listen to what she has to say.

0:49:180:49:22

It is a pleasure to be with you

today. Last year I spoke to you

0:49:220:49:26

about my belief in a well regulated

free-market economy. I said it was

0:49:260:49:32

the very best way to spread

opportunity, and lift people out of

0:49:320:49:37

poverty. We should never under

estimate the immense value and

0:49:370:49:44

potential of open, innovative,

free-market economies when they

0:49:440:49:47

operate under the right rules and

regulations. Around the world, over

0:49:470:49:53

the last century, it has been those

countries with well functioning free

0:49:530:49:57

markets which have enjoyed the

greatest economic, social and

0:49:570:50:03

technological advancements. At its

best when a free and open market

0:50:030:50:07

place is combined request the rule

of law, individual freedom, equality

0:50:070:50:11

and Human Rights, in a

representative democracy, great

0:50:110:50:14

things are possible. People live

longer and more secure lives. They

0:50:140:50:19

have the freedom and the means to

fulfil their ambitions and make the

0:50:190:50:23

most of their potential. To bring up

their families, care for one another

0:50:230:50:27

and give something back to their

local communities and to wider

0:50:270:50:31

society.

And I believe that the approach I

0:50:310:50:34

set out to this gathering last year,

for a more co-operative partnership

0:50:340:50:40

between business and government, is

the right one to build the even

0:50:400:50:43

stronger economy we all want to see.

An economy fit fort future. Ready

0:50:430:50:51

for the next decade, delivering

greater opportunity and prosperity

0:50:510:50:54

right across the country. I believe

that the opportunities ahead for our

0:50:540:51:00

country are enormous. And the

Government I lead is determined to

0:51:000:51:05

support British business in making

the most of them. Over the last 12

0:51:050:51:11

months, I've led trade delegations

to India and Japan. I'm always

0:51:110:51:15

hugely impressed by the businesses

and entrepreneurs I take on these

0:51:150:51:20

trade trips with me and who I meet

week in and week out and I'm

0:51:200:51:23

immensely proud of what they have to

offer international investors. Last

0:51:230:51:29

year, Britain enjoyed record levels

of foreign direct investment. Across

0:51:290:51:33

the UK, we have seen Toyota announce

a £240 million upgrade to their car

0:51:330:51:41

plant in Derbyshire and BMW announce

they will build a fully electric

0:51:410:51:45

version of the Mini in Oxford, the

train manufacturer is expected to

0:51:450:51:52

create 200 skilled jobs in its new

factory following a £30 million

0:51:520:51:56

investment, with the support from

the Department of Trade, Elite in

0:51:560:52:03

Enniskillen won contracts worth over

£4.5 million and bus manufacturer t

0:52:030:52:08

secured a £44 million deal toks port

double-deckers to Mexico City.

0:52:080:52:13

Supporting hundreds of jobs in

Falkirk and Guildford. Here in

0:52:130:52:18

London, Google will open a new

London office with £1 billion of

0:52:180:52:21

investment. As we celebrate this

good news, we should keep in mind

0:52:210:52:27

what it all really means. It is not

simply numbers on a balance sheet,

0:52:270:52:35

but an investment in people's

livelihoods, and the economic

0:52:350:52:38

security of families across Britain.

It is a vote of confidence in the

0:52:380:52:44

UK, in our talents, our skills, and

our infrastructure, and our ideas.

0:52:440:52:51

And the reason we want a strong and

thriving economy and successful

0:52:510:52:55

businesses is because we want to

help more people to lead full and

0:52:550:52:59

happy lives with good quality jobs,

and rising living standards. To

0:52:590:53:04

build a country that works for

everyone, and an economy that is fit

0:53:040:53:09

for the future. For the last decade,

the biggest economic challenge

0:53:090:53:16

facing the Government has been

dealing with the consequences of the

0:53:160:53:20

financial crash, and the great

recession which followed it. Thanks

0:53:200:53:24

to the innovation and the

entrepreneurship of British

0:53:240:53:29

business, the hard work and

sacrifice of the British people and

0:53:290:53:32

the Government's clear economic plan

that situation has now been

0:53:320:53:35

transformed. The deficit has been

cut by over two-thirds, and the

0:53:350:53:40

economy has grown for 19 consecutive

quarters. Since 2010, over three

0:53:400:53:46

million more people now have the

security of a job. There are nearly

0:53:460:53:52

one million fewer workless

households. 3.4 million new

0:53:520:53:56

apprenticeships have begun. Income

equality is at its lowest level

0:53:560:54:00

since 1986. And the number of people

living in absolute poverty is at a

0:54:000:54:04

record low. British businesses, and

indeed, the CBI itself, can take

0:54:040:54:10

their share of credit for what

Britain has achieved in the years

0:54:100:54:14

since the financial crisis. But our

job now is to look to the future. If

0:54:140:54:23

the last ten years have seen us

weathering the storm of the

0:54:230:54:27

financial crisis, and rebuilding our

fiscal and economic position, the

0:54:270:54:31

next ten years must see the

beginning of a new chapter in the

0:54:310:54:35

story of the British economy.

Because for all our progress there

0:54:350:54:39

is still a long way to go. So today,

I want to talk about my vision for

0:54:390:54:46

the stronger, fairer, and better

balanced economy we need to build in

0:54:460:54:50

the years ahead. The Conservative

Government's plan to deliver this is

0:54:500:54:57

very clear - we will get the best

Brexit deal for our country.

0:54:570:55:02

Guaranteeing the greatest possible

access to European markets, boosting

0:55:020:55:05

free trade across the world, and

delivering control over our borders,

0:55:050:55:09

laws and money. We will take a

balanced approach to government

0:55:090:55:15

spending, ensuring debt is falling

and at the same time, investing in

0:55:150:55:18

our key public services, and keeping

taxes low. We will help businesses

0:55:180:55:23

to create more good jobs across the

country, with a modern industry

0:55:230:55:28

strategy that invests in the skills,

industries and infrastructure of the

0:55:280:55:32

future. We will build the homes our

country needs. Sew everyone can

0:55:320:55:37

afford a place to call their own and

all the security that brings.

0:55:370:55:42

We will carry on improving standards

in our schools and colleges, so our

0:55:420:55:46

young people can get on in life. We

will back the innovators and wealth

0:55:460:55:52

creators who deliver growth, jobs

and lower prices, and greater

0:55:520:55:56

choices for consumers and step in if

businesses don't play by the rules.

0:55:560:56:01

And we will work tirelessly to

tackle the injustices that hold

0:56:010:56:06

people back from achieving their

true potential. By following this

0:56:060:56:13

plan, a balanced approach to public

spending, the best Brexit deal for

0:56:130:56:18

Britain, and active industrial

strategy, more homes, higher

0:56:180:56:22

standards in our schools, backing

innovation and wealth creation and

0:56:220:56:26

fighting tirelessly against

injustice, we can create a country

0:56:260:56:30

with a stronger economy, and a

fairer, more caring society. One

0:56:300:56:34

that will guarantee a better future

for the next generation. Central to

0:56:340:56:41

this plan is our modern industrial

strategy. The Government will be

0:56:410:56:47

publishing our industrial strategy

White Paper later this month and we

0:56:470:56:50

will speak in more detail about it

then. But let me just set out today

0:56:500:56:54

some of the underlying principles

which are driving our work. For a

0:56:540:57:00

free-market economy to succeed in

delivering economic and social

0:57:000:57:04

progress for everyone, the

Government has a vital role to play.

0:57:040:57:09

That starts by setting the right

rules, and making sure they are

0:57:090:57:13

adhered to. And some say it's role

should end there too. But I believe

0:57:130:57:20

the proper role of government goes

beyond that. Through how it invests

0:57:200:57:26

public funds, how it provides an

education system for the next

0:57:260:57:29

generation, how it commits to

long-term goals and how it supports

0:57:290:57:37

business, people and places, a

strategic state has a major

0:57:370:57:39

influence on the economy. In

exerting that influence, governments

0:57:390:57:44

must inevitably make choices and in

a democracy, be held to account for

0:57:440:57:48

them. The choice which this

government makes is to deploy this

0:57:480:57:55

influence in a thought through way,

taking decisions for the long-term

0:57:550:57:58

because while the power and

potential of the market is immense,

0:57:580:58:02

I also strongly believe in the good

that government can do.

0:58:020:58:07

We've already seen this approach

work for one sector of the economy,

0:58:070:58:11

the financial services sector. Over

decades, governments of all parties,

0:58:110:58:16

pursued the aim of making the UK the

world's centre for financial

0:58:160:58:21

services. They worked with business

to set a clear, long-term framework

0:58:210:58:25

for the sector to succeed and it now

accounts for 7.2% of the British

0:58:250:58:30

economy. It contributes over £70

billion to the exchequer annually

0:58:300:58:35

and employs over one million people

across the UK. Here in London, yes,

0:58:350:58:39

but also in Edinburgh, Cardiff,

Bournemouth, Leeds and in other

0:58:390:58:42

towns and cities.

And when the regulatory structures

0:58:420:58:47

governments put in place fail, and

the irresponsible practises of a

0:58:470:58:52

minority damage the economy as a

whole, as happened during the

0:58:520:58:57

financial crisis, government has a

duty to step in. When British banks

0:58:570:59:01

suffered during that crisis,

government did not turn its back on

0:59:010:59:06

the sector wasting decades of effort

and forfeiting our global position,

0:59:060:59:11

instead we were steadfast in our

commitment to fixing things and

0:59:110:59:15

making the sector even stronger than

before. Government worked to create

0:59:150:59:20

a more stable and defective

regulatory framework and in doing

0:59:200:59:26

so, strengthened resilience and

reputation of the UK's financial

0:59:260:59:28

sector and contributed to the

strengthening of the global

0:59:280:59:31

financial system. This has been a

success story for Britain and that

0:59:310:59:37

success has been enabled by

strategic support from government.

0:59:370:59:41

And a long-term commitment from

Conservative, and a previous

0:59:410:59:45

generation of Labour politicians to

provide certainty and follow

0:59:450:59:47

through. That model, a strategic

long-term partnership between

0:59:470:59:54

government and a vital sector,

effective and evolving regulatory

0:59:540:59:59

frameworks and incentives, has led

to global pre-eminence for the UK.

0:59:591:00:03

Good quality jobs across the

country, and tax revenue to fund

1:00:031:00:08

vital public services like schools

and hospitals. By setting the right

1:00:081:00:13

frameworks, and investing in skills

and infrastructure, we can help

1:00:131:00:18

broaden our economic base. Build a

more balanced economy, and make

1:00:181:00:23

Britain a true global leader. Of

course, we cannot and we will not

1:00:231:00:27

try to make a plan for every corner

of our economy. We believe in the

1:00:271:00:32

free-market and won't attempt to

shield the economy from market

1:00:321:00:35

forces. So we will have to make

strategic decisions about whether

1:00:351:00:41

government can and where it cannot

best support key sectors of our

1:00:411:00:44

economy. Such an approach avoids the

failed state interventionism of the

1:00:441:00:51

1970s. But it also learns from the

past failures of governments to give

1:00:511:00:55

sectors and places across the

country the long-term support they

1:00:551:00:59

need to cope with economic change

and compete in a changing glopeble

1:00:591:01:04

market place.

1:01:041:01:08

As we take the industrial strategy

forward, I want the CBI and

1:01:081:01:13

businesses represented here to work

as local enterprise partnerships and

1:01:131:01:17

elected mayors to ensure all parts

of our country benefit. Our approach

1:01:171:01:22

to industrial strategy reflects our

ambitions for the British economy as

1:01:221:01:27

we leave the European Union. A more

productive, dynamic, innovative

1:01:271:01:33

world leading economy, which

embraces technological change and is

1:01:331:01:35

globally focused. In my Florence

speech in September, I made a

1:01:351:01:42

generous offer to our European

partners. I am pleased EU leaders

1:01:421:01:47

responded to it positively. The

council acknowledged the progress we

1:01:471:01:51

have made and called for a further

acceleration. Since I spoke in

1:01:511:01:56

Florence, I am pleased there has

been further progress on citizens

1:01:561:02:01

rights, including an agreement on

reciprocal health care and pensions

1:02:011:02:04

and further alignment on a range of

social security rights. Our EU

1:02:041:02:11

negotiating team is now preparing

for the next phase. I particularly

1:02:111:02:17

welcome the beginning of internal

discussions among the EU 27 about

1:02:171:02:20

their position on our future

relationship and the implementation

1:02:201:02:23

period. When sufficient progress has

been agreed, we want to move as

1:02:231:02:28

quickly as possible on both of these

issues. Throughout this process, I

1:02:281:02:33

have been determined to give

business and industry as much

1:02:331:02:36

certainty as possible. Achieving

that maximum certainty was the first

1:02:361:02:41

objective I sat in my Lancaster

house speech in January. It has

1:02:411:02:46

remained fundamental to our

negotiations to date. We want to

1:02:461:02:52

forge an ambitious economic

partnership out of the single market

1:02:521:02:54

but with a new balance of rights and

responsibilities between us and the

1:02:541:02:59

European Union. One which respects

the freedoms and principles of the

1:02:591:03:04

EU, and the wishes of the British

people. We should be excited by the

1:03:041:03:10

possibilities which this new

relationship presents for the

1:03:101:03:12

future. Just as we are realistic in

acknowledging that it will take time

1:03:121:03:16

to finalise. I have made clear that

a strictly time-limited

1:03:161:03:23

implementation period will be

crucial to our future success. I

1:03:231:03:26

know how important it is for

business and industry not to face a

1:03:261:03:30

cliff edge and to have the time it

needs to plan and prepare for new

1:03:301:03:35

arrangements. During this period,

our access to one another's market

1:03:351:03:39

should continue on current terms,

and I want us to agree a detailed

1:03:391:03:44

arrangements for the period as early

as possible. But we should also be

1:03:441:03:50

able to develop our relationships

with countries outside the EU in new

1:03:501:03:54

ways, including through our own

trade negotiations throughout the

1:03:541:03:57

world. And that world is changing in

profound ways. The technologies

1:03:571:04:04

which are emerging today will have

as profound an impact on our economy

1:04:041:04:07

and lives in the 2020 Horrell and

2030s is the Internet and smart

1:04:071:04:13

technology have over the last 20

years. Britain is already a world

1:04:131:04:19

leader in a number of fields. The UK

is ideally placed to be the world's

1:04:191:04:25

hub. In artificial intelligence, I

believe Dame Wendy Hall and Jerome's

1:04:251:04:38

independent review into the sector

argued that we should seek to make

1:04:381:04:44

the UK the best place in the world

for artificial intelligence

1:04:441:04:47

businesses to develop, start, grow

and thrive. The economy fit for the

1:04:471:04:52

future which we must build over the

next decade, will be driven by

1:04:521:04:57

science and innovation. As well as

supporting economic growth and

1:04:571:05:00

helping to create good jobs of the

future, scientific and technological

1:05:001:05:05

advancements also have the potential

to transform and improve our lives,

1:05:051:05:10

with life-saving medicines, new

sources of clean energy and

1:05:101:05:14

breakthroughs in digital technology

that we use everyday. Last year at

1:05:141:05:18

this conference I committed to a

record increase in public spending

1:05:181:05:23

on research and development with an

£2 billion by 2021. I want to make

1:05:231:05:35

Britain a international centre for

the transformative technologies of

1:05:351:05:37

the future. We are playing our part

by increasing public sector support

1:05:371:05:41

for research and develop it to

record. Levels. We will say more in

1:05:411:05:51

the industrial White Paper. Today I

put the challenge to you and to

1:05:511:05:55

industry across the UK to do the

same. Because the immense benefits

1:05:551:06:04

that investment in research and

development can bring you will

1:06:041:06:10

develop the products and services

that will convert scientific

1:06:101:06:13

discovery into real improvements in

people's daily lives. Today, for

1:06:131:06:18

everyone pound of government support

for research and development,

1:06:181:06:20

British businesses invest around £1

70. But in America businesses invest

1:06:201:06:27

around £2 70, and German businesses

invest around £2 40. So I want you

1:06:271:06:34

to work with us to drive up business

investment. To help develop the next

1:06:341:06:41

generation of technology is here in

the UK so we can deliver more good

1:06:411:06:44

jobs across the country and improve

living standards for everyone. This

1:06:441:06:49

is a goal we all share and one I

know the CBI has long campaigned

1:06:491:06:54

for. And Britain has always been at

the cutting edge, the birthplace of

1:06:541:06:59

the first Industrial Revolution, the

home of more Nobel prizewinners than

1:06:591:07:05

any country outside the United

States. We must see these coming

1:07:051:07:09

technologies as forces for good with

huge potential for our economy and

1:07:091:07:12

society. For our industrial

strategy, the government will help

1:07:121:07:18

ensure Britain makes the most of

them. As is our duty, we will also

1:07:181:07:24

work with and support those who are

disrupted by that change as well.

1:07:241:07:31

That will mean ensuring the UK has

modern and efficient infrastructure

1:07:311:07:35

which delivers for taxpayers and

businesses across the UK. Add

1:07:351:07:39

considerable progress has already

been made. More than a quarter of £1

1:07:391:07:44

trillion has been invested in UK

infrastructure since 2010. We are

1:07:441:07:52

getting impartial expert advice on

crucial decisions of the future. As

1:07:521:07:57

well as investing in the physical

infrastructure, we also have a duty

1:07:571:08:00

to invest in the skills of our

workforce. For too long, technical

1:08:001:08:06

education in this country was

regarded as second best and our

1:08:061:08:09

economy suffered as a result. We are

changing this. Our new T levels

1:08:091:08:18

backed by substantial funding will

overturn education levels in

1:08:181:08:27

England. We will cover digital,

construction and education and

1:08:271:08:33

childcare. These will be of

equivalent status to a levels and

1:08:331:08:37

will give young people who want to

pursue a technical career a better

1:08:371:08:40

and clearer path to follow. But

improving our offer on technical

1:08:401:08:45

education takes nothing away from

the importance of higher education.

1:08:451:08:49

I want to see more people from more

diverse backgrounds, both going on

1:08:491:08:54

to university and enjoying the

benefits of higher-level study of

1:08:541:08:59

all kinds. Our international

competitors are producing more and

1:08:591:09:04

more skilled workers and we need to

do the same. These are exciting

1:09:041:09:09

times for our country. I am

optimistic about the future we can

1:09:091:09:12

build for our young people if we

continue to press ahead with our

1:09:121:09:16

reforms. Better schools, improve

technical education and more

1:09:161:09:20

accessible universities, giving

everyone the chance to get on in

1:09:201:09:24

life with a good quality job, the

chance to get a secure home and

1:09:241:09:30

raise a family. That's what our

industrial strategy is there to

1:09:301:09:32

deliver. I have talked this morning

about how government and business

1:09:321:09:40

can work together, to pursue a

modern industrial strategy and build

1:09:401:09:43

an economy that is fit for the

future. But gathered here today, we

1:09:431:09:50

cannot ignore the ongoing

allegations of serious abuse and

1:09:501:09:54

harassment in Parliament and across

Westminster. As representatives of

1:09:541:10:00

British business, you know that your

firm 's only truly succeed when you

1:10:001:10:05

provide safe, secure and

professional environments for your

1:10:051:10:11

employees. Parliament and Whitehall

are special places in our democracy,

1:10:111:10:14

but they are also places of work,

too. And exactly the same standards

1:10:141:10:19

and norms should govern them as

govern any other workplace. What has

1:10:191:10:25

been revealed over the last few

weeks has been deeply troubling, and

1:10:251:10:29

has understandably led to

significant public unease. Women and

1:10:291:10:34

men should be able to work free from

the threat or fear of harassment,

1:10:341:10:41

bullying and intimidation. But for

too long the powerful have been able

1:10:411:10:44

to abuse their power and their

victims have not been able to speak

1:10:441:10:47

out. Let me be very frank, political

parties have not always got this

1:10:471:10:52

right in the past. But I am

determined to get it right for the

1:10:521:10:56

future. So I have already published

a new code of conduct and grievance

1:10:561:11:02

procedure for the Conservative

Party, which will apply to all

1:11:021:11:06

conservative officeholders and

representatives. It sets out the

1:11:061:11:10

high standards we expect and the

procedure we will follow to deal

1:11:101:11:14

effectively with complaints. And

later today I will convene a meeting

1:11:141:11:18

with my fellow party leaders to

discuss establishing a new common,

1:11:181:11:24

robust grievance procedure for

Parliament. Because those working

1:11:241:11:27

for members of Parliament should not

have to navigate different party

1:11:271:11:31

systems depending on their

employer's political affiliation. We

1:11:311:11:35

need to establish a new culture of

respect at the centre of our public

1:11:351:11:40

life. One in which everyone can feel

confident that they are working in a

1:11:401:11:46

safe and secure environment, where

complaints can be brought forward

1:11:461:11:49

without prejudice, and victims know

that these complaints will be

1:11:491:11:52

investigated properly. And where

people's careers cannot be damaged

1:11:521:11:59

by unfounded rumours circulated

anonymously online. Of course,

1:11:591:12:04

people can be friends with their

colleagues and consensual

1:12:041:12:07

relationships can develop at work.

This is not about prying into

1:12:071:12:11

private lives. What we are talking

about is the use and abuse of power.

1:12:111:12:18

We must stand up for all the victims

of abuse, harassment or

1:12:181:12:22

discrimination wherever it has

occurred. Now is the time to act

1:12:221:12:27

decisively, without fear or favour,

to guarantee a safe and respectful

1:12:271:12:32

working environment for everyone in

the future. As we look ahead to the

1:12:321:12:39

next ten years of Britain's economy,

we should do so as rational

1:12:391:12:44

optimists, there are huge

opportunities ahead, making the most

1:12:441:12:47

of them will demand hard work,

imagination and commitment. But

1:12:471:12:52

Britain has succeeded in the past

where we have been confident in our

1:12:521:12:56

strengths and bold in our action.

When we have backed the ambition of

1:12:561:13:02

our wealth creators, who use their

talent, hard work and skill to take

1:13:021:13:06

a chance, to grow a business, and to

spread economic opportunity to

1:13:061:13:11

others. With the right economic

foundations, a balanced approach to

1:13:111:13:16

public spending, and the best Brexit

deal for Britain, the right

1:13:161:13:24

long-term incentives or business and

our wealth creators, given the

1:13:241:13:26

freedom and support to and thrive,

and with government playing a proper

1:13:261:13:30

strategic role in support of growth

across the United Kingdom, I am

1:13:301:13:35

convinced we can and will make the

most of those opportunities and

1:13:351:13:39

build a better future for everyone

in our country. Thank you.

STUDIO:

1:13:391:13:47

Theresa May describing the sexual

harassment and abuse revelations in

1:13:471:13:51

recent weeks as deeply troubling.

She says for too long the powerful

1:13:511:13:54

have been able to abuse that power.

And we need to establish a new

1:13:541:13:58

culture of respect. She will take

some questions now.

If you would

1:13:581:14:02

like to put your hands up, I will

take the red paddle over there.

The

1:14:021:14:16

Guardian newspaper, your predecessor

David Cameron said aggressive tax

1:14:161:14:20

avoidance was not morally

acceptable. And you said you want an

1:14:201:14:24

economy that works not just for the

privileged few. Will you finish that

1:14:241:14:28

work and insist British tax havens

create public registers of who owns

1:14:281:14:34

offshore companies and trusts, and

will you announce a public enquiry

1:14:341:14:38

into aggressive tax avoidance?

We

have been continuing the work David

1:14:381:14:42

Cameron started. He started it not

just for the UK but on the

1:14:421:14:46

international stage as well. That is

important. We have been seen more

1:14:461:14:51

revenues come to HMRC over the last

few years, since 2010, 100 and £60

1:14:511:14:57

billion extra that they have been

able to raise. There is already work

1:14:571:15:03

done to ensure we see greater

transparency in our dependencies and

1:15:031:15:08

British Overseas Territories, and we

continue to work with them. HMRC is

1:15:081:15:13

already able to seek more

information about the ownership of

1:15:131:15:17

shell companies, for example, so

they can ensure people are paying

1:15:171:15:20

their tax. We want people to pay the

tax that is due. The blue paddle.

1:15:201:15:30

Angela Middleton. We but people in

diverse jobs. There are so many

1:15:301:15:42

opportunities now, but what can we

as businesses do to build aspiration

1:15:421:15:46

in young people and excite them

about their future?

STUDIO: We will

1:15:461:15:50

leave Theresa May, she has been

addressing the CBI annual

1:15:501:15:53

conference. She talked about Brexit,

as well as sexual harassment and

1:15:531:15:58

abuse. I'm Brexit she says she will

avoid a cliff edge exit. She calls

1:15:581:16:03

it an implementation period.

Everybody else calls it a transition

1:16:031:16:06

period. She says it will be time

limited because businesses need

1:16:061:16:09

security. On sexual abuse and

harassment she says the revelations

1:16:091:16:14

of recent weeks have been deeply

troubling and we need to establish a

1:16:141:16:17

new culture of respect. And we are

talking about the use and abuse of

1:16:171:16:22

power, and now is the time to act.

She has a meeting tonight with the

1:16:221:16:27

other Westminster party leaders

where they will discuss it further.

1:16:271:16:30

We have been asking you if you think

it is a tipping point in our society

1:16:341:16:38

when it comes to sexual harassment

and abuse. Susan wants to point out

1:16:381:16:44

that we this thing is not confined

to the entertainment and political

1:16:441:16:49

arena. She said, "I have worked in

an office and I have been subject to

1:16:491:16:53

this behaviour in almost every job I

have had. Women who complain are

1:16:531:17:00

regarded as troublemakers. Let's

give working women a voice at last."

1:17:001:17:08

David says, "These behaviours are

not acceptable anywhere in our

1:17:081:17:10

society and not just in Parliament."

There is one on Strictly which he'll

1:17:101:17:14

read later.

1:17:141:17:17

At least 26 people have been killed

and 20 others wounded after a gunman

1:17:191:17:22

opened fire at a Texas church

during Sunday service.

1:17:221:17:28

The attack happened

at the First Baptist Church

1:17:281:17:30

in Sutherland Springs,

a small town in Wilson County.

1:17:301:17:32

The victims' ages

range from five to 72.

1:17:321:17:40

One man told how he chased the

gunman after seeing two men

1:17:401:17:45

exchanging gunfire outside the

church.

1:17:451:17:51

Speaking to an American reporter,

Johnnie Langendorff

1:17:511:17:53

described his reaction.

1:17:531:17:54

They said there is a shooting. I

pursued and I just did what I

1:17:541:18:00

thought was the right thing.

You

know there were more weapons in that

1:18:001:18:04

car. You possibly stopped from

killing other people.

I didn't know

1:18:041:18:08

that.

1:18:081:18:09

President Donald Trump,

who is on a tour of Asia,

1:18:091:18:12

has reacted to news of the shooting.

1:18:121:18:13

The president described the gunman

as "a very deranged individual"

1:18:131:18:16

and denied that guns were to blame

for the shooting.

1:18:161:18:18

I think that mental health is your

problem here. This was a very based

1:18:181:18:22

on preliminary reports, very

deranged individual. A lot of

1:18:221:18:24

problems over a long period of time.

We have a lot of mental health

1:18:241:18:28

problems in our country as do other

countries, but this isn't a guns

1:18:281:18:34

situation. I mean we could go into

it, but it's a little bit soon to go

1:18:341:18:39

into it, but fortunately somebody

else had a gun that was shooting

1:18:391:18:43

this the opposite direction

otherwise it would have been much

1:18:431:18:45

worse.

1:18:451:18:47

We can discuss this

now with Peter Ling,

1:18:471:18:49

a Professor in American Studies

at the University of of Nottingham.

1:18:491:18:52

Hello Peter. You say this is really

about mental health and that people

1:18:521:18:56

with certain mental health issues

should not have access to guns. How

1:18:561:18:59

would you go about enforcing that?

Well, this is all part of a

1:18:591:19:03

screening process that you should

actually have to be screened before

1:19:031:19:06

you are allowed to have a firearm in

the United States, the right to bear

1:19:061:19:12

arms is constitutionally protected

so you can't have the kind of

1:19:121:19:15

screening that would be the case in

Australia or this country, but Trump

1:19:151:19:18

is speaking to the people who voted

for him. They wanted him to protect

1:19:181:19:22

them in their rights. They think the

State is bad. And gun control, like

1:19:221:19:27

environmental protection, like

health care, is a power grab by the

1:19:271:19:30

State and so, this is why he has

come out in the way he has to path

1:19:301:19:36

old jaouz the shooter. He is mad and

therefore, we can't legislate

1:19:361:19:39

against madness.

Sorry who, is mad?

The shooter. In the eyes of Donald

1:19:391:19:45

Trump, we don't need to do anything

because the gunman was mad and you

1:19:451:19:50

can't legislate against madness.

Can

you explain why if someone drives a

1:19:501:19:54

vehicle to crowds of people on a

pavement it is described as

1:19:541:19:58

terrorism, but if someone goes into

a church and shoots 27 people dead,

1:19:581:20:01

it isn't?

Well, we don't know what

the motivation of this person was,

1:20:011:20:08

but in the United States, there

tends to be the view that domestic

1:20:081:20:14

mass shootings are driven by

personal matters whereas these kinds

1:20:141:20:18

of attacks, using other weapons are

driven by ideology.

1:20:181:20:22

Do you think there is any chance at

all President Trump might shift his

1:20:221:20:28

stance because he has changed his

views, his stance, in relation to

1:20:281:20:33

China for example ornate owe, might

it happen with guns?

No, I think

1:20:331:20:38

there is too much invested in his

wing of the party in defending the

1:20:381:20:43

right to bear arms and that as I

said earlier, they do regard gun

1:20:431:20:47

control as one of the ways in which

the State tries to expand its power

1:20:471:20:51

and they are very hostile to that

idea of an expanded State. The only

1:20:511:20:55

possibility would be if the national

security interest was so acute that

1:20:551:21:01

they needed to regulate the flow of

high powered weaponry to terrorist

1:21:011:21:07

groups.

Thank you very much,

Professor Peter Ling.

1:21:071:21:16

Still to come: "It felt like no-one

was there for me and no one cared.

1:21:161:21:20

I was crying myself

to sleep every night."

1:21:201:21:22

The words of one man

who grow up in care.

1:21:221:21:24

The Children's Commisioner tells us

why it's key there's more

1:21:241:21:27

mental health support

for looked after children.

1:21:271:21:30

For too long the powerful have been

able to abuse their power -

1:21:301:21:33

the words of Prime Minister Theresa

May in the last few minutes.

1:21:331:21:36

This morning we've revealed that

a former Conservative Party activist

1:21:361:21:39

who informed the House of Commons

authorities of an alleged

1:21:391:21:42

rape says her complaints

were completely ignored.

1:21:421:21:46

In an exclusive interview,

a woman who we're calling "Amanda"

1:21:461:21:49

told this programme she asked

the Commons clerk to raise concerns

1:21:491:21:53

about the "toxic" Westminster

culture with senior Tories.

1:21:531:21:58

She tells us, quote "Parliamentary

authorities let me know

1:21:581:22:00

that they were passing it

on to the Chief Whip

1:22:001:22:03

who was Gavin Williamson at that

time and the leader of the House,

1:22:031:22:05

Andrea Leadsom".

1:22:051:22:08

But she didn't hear

anything more from anyone.

1:22:081:22:13

Gavin Williamson, now

the new Defence Secretary, insists

1:22:131:22:18

nothing was ever reported to him,

adding, "If it was, we would take

1:22:181:22:21

an allegation of this nature

extremely seriously."

1:22:211:22:23

Amanda's concerns about the culture

- but not the rape -

1:22:231:22:25

were passed to the Leader

of the House of Commons Andrea

1:22:251:22:28

Leadsom - but no one can

confirm what happened next.

1:22:281:22:31

The Commons clerk says he did not

formally report the rape allegation

1:22:311:22:35

as there was already

a criminal case.

1:22:351:22:38

We bought you Catrin Nye's

exclusive report earlier,

1:22:381:22:40

here's a short extract.

1:22:401:22:42

I was raped by someone senior to me

in the Conservative Party.

1:22:421:22:48

It was violent, it wasn't

in Westminster, and it

1:22:481:22:50

shouldn't have happened.

1:22:501:22:51

And I remember the attack,

during the attack, I remember

1:22:511:22:55

the room disappearing around me

and thinking I was going to die.

1:22:551:23:02

When he left the next

day, I was at a police

1:23:021:23:05

station within an hour.

1:23:051:23:07

And I reported it.

1:23:071:23:11

The criminal case progressed

and was due to go to trial.

1:23:111:23:15

Amanda, whose name we've changed

to protect the identity of both

1:23:151:23:18

parties, says she decided she wanted

to talk to Commons officials

1:23:181:23:20

about her alleged rape and how

she felt the culture of Westminster

1:23:201:23:23

contributed to it.

1:23:231:23:26

We've confirmed that she had

a 25 minute conversation

1:23:261:23:30

with the House of Commons clerk.

1:23:301:23:33

Parliamentary authorities let me

know that they were passing it

1:23:331:23:37

on to the Chief Whip,

who was Gavin Williamson at that

1:23:371:23:40

time, and the leader

of the House, Andrea Leadsom.

1:23:401:23:42

But that was never followed up.

1:23:421:23:46

As Chief Whip, Gavin Williamson

was in charge of the conduct of MPs,

1:23:461:23:49

and Andrea Leadsom was in charge

of the day-to-day

1:23:491:23:51

workings of the Commons.

1:23:511:23:53

Amanda says she left that

conversation believing she had

1:23:531:23:55

secured a meeting with them.

1:23:551:23:58

The clerk of the House of Commons

refused to tell us who he spoke

1:23:581:24:01

to about what he'd been told,

but did say that Amanda's views

1:24:011:24:04

on the culture in Parliament only

were informally reported onwards

1:24:041:24:10

and were acted on -

though no-one will tell us how

1:24:101:24:13

exactly it was acted on and Amanda

was not told either.

1:24:131:24:16

We've confirmed that

concerns about the culture

1:24:161:24:17

were passed to Andrea Leadsom,

but both Leadsom and Williamson

1:24:171:24:20

insist they were not told

about the rape claims.

1:24:201:24:24

Senior Conservatives say they're

shocked the allegations did not

1:24:241:24:26

reach the Chief Whip's office.

1:24:261:24:31

I never received contact

from either of them.

1:24:311:24:33

The Parliamentary authorities never

followed it up with me either.

1:24:331:24:35

I've heard nothing.

1:24:351:24:38

How did that make you feel?

1:24:381:24:41

Worthless.

1:24:411:24:42

As if my experience

wasn't important.

1:24:421:24:46

And how do you feel about

the culture in Westminster now?

1:24:461:24:50

It's toxic.

1:24:501:24:54

It is not a place I would advise any

young, particularly young women,

1:24:541:24:58

but young people as a whole

to get into.

1:24:581:25:02

Heavy drinking, sex driven.

1:25:021:25:08

Very much...

1:25:081:25:12

Self-interested.

1:25:121:25:14

You really think it's that bad?

1:25:141:25:16

Yeah.

1:25:161:25:17

Yeah.

1:25:171:25:19

I don't think it's that bad,

I know it's that bad.

1:25:191:25:22

I mean, I've had men

stick their hands up my skirt,

1:25:221:25:24

I've had men ply me with so much

drink, again, that

1:25:241:25:27

I couldn't stand up.

1:25:271:25:29

The man Amanda had accused of rape,

who was not an MP, strongly

1:25:291:25:32

denied the allegation,

and the case was eventually dropped

1:25:321:25:34

after a review of the evidence.

1:25:341:25:37

But when she told the Parliamentary

authorities about it,

1:25:371:25:39

and her concerns about the culture,

the case was due to go to trial,

1:25:391:25:42

and she says she was ignored -

despite their obvious seriousness.

1:25:421:25:50

Why didn't you do something?

1:25:501:25:51

Why?

1:25:511:25:54

Amanda isn't alone.

1:25:541:25:58

Over the past two weeks

we have heard allegations

1:25:581:26:00

of inappropriate behaviour

across the political parties.

1:26:001:26:03

In the Conservative Party,

Sir Michael Fallon was the first

1:26:031:26:05

minister to go following allegations

of inappropriate behaviour.

1:26:051:26:11

He acknowledged as Defence

Secretary his behaviour had

1:26:111:26:13

"fallen below the high

standards of life" required

1:26:131:26:15

in his role.

1:26:151:26:22

Damian Green, who's effectively

Theresa May's deputy,

1:26:221:26:24

has denied a claim that police found

pornography on his computer

1:26:241:26:26

during a raid on his

Westminster office in 2008.

1:26:261:26:29

He has said ex-police chief

Bob Quick's claims in a Sunday

1:26:291:26:31

newspaper were "completely untrue"

and "political smears".

1:26:311:26:36

He is also facing claims

he fleetingly touched

1:26:361:26:39

a younger woman's knee

and sent her a suggestive text.

1:26:391:26:44

The International Trade Minister

Mark Garnier is being investigated

1:26:441:26:46

by the Cabinet Office

for a potential breach

1:26:461:26:48

of ministerial rules

after he admitted asking his

1:26:481:26:50

secretary to buy sex toys.

1:26:501:26:52

The MP for Wyre Forest also

confirmed he called her

1:26:521:26:56

a sexually demeaning term,

but said it did not

1:26:561:26:58

amount to harassment.

1:26:581:27:03

Conservative MP for Dover

Charlie Elphicke has been suspended

1:27:031:27:05

by his party after "serious

allegations" against him

1:27:051:27:07

were referred to the police.

1:27:071:27:08

He says he is not aware

of what the alleged claims

1:27:081:27:11

are and denies any wrongdoing.

1:27:111:27:16

Over the weekend, a whip called

Chris Pincher stood down

1:27:161:27:21

from the Whips' office and referred

himself to both the party's

1:27:211:27:24

complaints procedure and the police

following allegations

1:27:241:27:25

over his behaviour.

1:27:251:27:27

He's accused of making an unwanted

pass at former Olympic rower

1:27:271:27:31

and Conservative activist

Alex Story.

1:27:311:27:38

And Tory MPs Daniel Poulter,

Stephen Crabb and Daniel Kawczynski

1:27:381:27:41

have been referred to

the Conservative Party disciplinary

1:27:411:27:43

committee after allegations

about their conduct.

1:27:431:27:47

Daniel Poulter and Daniel Kawzynski

both deny any wrongdoing.

1:27:471:27:54

Stephen Crabb admit saying "some

pretty outrageous things" to a woman

1:27:541:27:57

after interviewing her for a job.

1:27:571:28:01

Kelvin Hopkins was suspended

from the Labour Party last week

1:28:011:28:03

and an investigation launched

after claims he hugged

1:28:031:28:05

a young activist and rubbed

himself against her.

1:28:051:28:07

He denies any wrongdoing.

1:28:071:28:13

Another Labour MP, Clive Lewis,

is accused of groping a woman

1:28:131:28:16

at Labour conference in September.

1:28:161:28:18

Claims he strenously denies.

1:28:181:28:22

And Labour Welsh Assembly member

Carl Sargeant quit as secretary

1:28:221:28:24

for communities and children

in the Welsh government

1:28:241:28:26

after allegations about his conduct.

1:28:261:28:30

He has urged a full inquiry

to "clear his name".

1:28:301:28:34

The SNP have also seen childcare

and early years minister

1:28:341:28:41

Mark McDonald quit over "previous

actions" which he described

1:28:411:28:43

as "inappropriate".

1:28:431:28:44

The party are investigating.

1:28:441:28:50

We can talk now to political

journalist, Jane Merrick.

1:28:501:28:52

She reported to Downing Street

an allegation that Michael Fallon

1:28:521:28:54

lunged at her and tried to forcibly

kiss her just hours before

1:28:541:28:57

the Defence Secretary left his post.

1:28:571:29:01

This is her first TV interview.

1:29:011:29:05

Also with us in his first TV

interview is Olympic rower,

1:29:051:29:08

Alex Story, who claims

the Tory Whip Chris Pincher made

1:29:081:29:11

sexual advance towards him

when he was a Conservative

1:29:111:29:13

activist in 2001.

1:29:131:29:17

That was before Mr Pincher was an

MP. Good morning both of you. Jane,

1:29:171:29:21

first of all, I would like to ask

you about our story today that a

1:29:211:29:25

woman reported an alleged rape to

the House of Commons clerk and says

1:29:251:29:30

effectively, nothing happened. She

was in the end completely ignored.

1:29:301:29:32

How do you react to that?

Listening

to her story, it is incredibly

1:29:321:29:38

harrowing actually and I think what

this shows is that the debate all

1:29:381:29:43

along hasn't been a witch-hunt. It

hasn't been about trivial

1:29:431:29:47

allegations. There have been serious

things that have happened regarding

1:29:471:29:51

political parties and I think what

her case shows is that people need

1:29:511:29:55

to have the confidence to come

forward. She didn't, tried to make a

1:29:551:29:59

complaint and it wasn't dealt with

and I think there is a fear that

1:29:591:30:03

victims, if they don't have an

independent grievance procedure,

1:30:031:30:06

they are not going to be listened

because there is party loyalty, or

1:30:061:30:12

will sometimes trump these issues.

1:30:121:30:17

You revealed in a newspaper article

you wrote yesterday that it was

1:30:171:30:21

Michael Fallon who directly lunged

at your lips, as you put it, a few

1:30:211:30:26

had lunch with him in 2003. You

referenced that incident before but

1:30:261:30:30

you have only just now named him.

Why did you make that decision?

It

1:30:301:30:36

was 14 years ago, so when I started

talking about my experience, I did

1:30:361:30:40

it in the context of this story, to

say, this is what it's like to be

1:30:401:30:44

sexually harassed by somebody, this

is what it's like to be in

1:30:441:30:49

Parliament and work there. I wanted

to add to the debate and encourage

1:30:491:30:52

people to talk about it. That was

last weekend. Over the next few days

1:30:521:31:04

the debate seems to be shifting

towards the trivial things that were

1:31:041:31:07

going on. I knew my situation, I

became aware of other allegations

1:31:071:31:09

involving Michael Fallon. I thought

I should report my experience to

1:31:091:31:14

Downing Street, not to go public,

because I did not want the scrutiny

1:31:141:31:20

at the time, but to report my

experience.

That led to his

1:31:201:31:26

resignation, being sacked, being

allowed to resign on Wednesday

1:31:261:31:29

night?

I can only talk about my

experience but I was aware there

1:31:291:31:34

were other allegations, but I

couldn't report them.

In terms of

1:31:341:31:38

naming him yesterday, several days

after he resigned, why was that?

I

1:31:381:31:43

still feared that when I spoke to

Downing Street I wanted anonymity

1:31:431:31:47

because I feared the backlash,

people would say, this was 14 years

1:31:471:31:51

ago, why are you doing it now? There

would be criticism that somehow it

1:31:511:32:04

wasn't serious. I admit it was that

the less serious end of the

1:32:041:32:06

spectrum, but it still made me feel

like the power dynamic between us

1:32:061:32:09

had changed. But since Wednesday, it

seems that although he had taken

1:32:091:32:13

account for his action, he didn't

apologise and tried to suggest this

1:32:131:32:16

sort of thing was acceptable ten or

15 years ago. I wanted him to know

1:32:161:32:20

that it wasn't. And also the debate

was still being trivialised, it was

1:32:201:32:25

around the banter towards Andrea

Leadsom. It felt right that it was

1:32:251:32:29

the time to speak out and say it was

him who had lunged at me.

By

1:32:291:32:38

revealing his name, you wrote that

you are taking back control. How

1:32:381:32:41

does it feel to take back control

question

1:32:411:32:45

does it feel to take back control

question?

I will not say it feels

1:32:451:32:50

good, because this whole story is

not something to feel good about.

1:32:501:32:54

But when I wrote my piece I didn't

think about me as a 43-year-old, I

1:32:541:33:00

thought about me as a 29-year-old

and what I should have done. And if

1:33:001:33:04

there were any other women who had

been harassed by other MPs who were

1:33:041:33:08

29 or younger, how would they feel

and what would they want me to do? I

1:33:081:33:13

wanted to do them justice, not just

myself. I felt I was taking back

1:33:131:33:18

control, yes, but I felt I was doing

it for other women who felt they

1:33:181:33:22

couldn't come forward. I was

heartfelt about my experience and

1:33:221:33:33

talking about it, but I know other

women out there who have contacted

1:33:331:33:36

me about other politicians and

people in other parties who do not

1:33:361:33:38

want to come forward. It was about

redressing the balance, not just

1:33:381:33:40

with me and Michael Fallon, but the

people who are harassed, and what

1:33:401:33:43

they need to do and how the debate

needs to be about them, and is not

1:33:431:33:46

about claims of a witchhunt, because

that's not what it is about.

Do you

1:33:461:33:51

want an apology from Michael Fallon?

I'm not demanding an apology. He has

1:33:511:33:56

resigned and he has accepted over

the weekend that it was not

1:33:561:34:00

acceptable back then. I'm not

demanding it, but it would be nice

1:34:001:34:04

for him to apologise, but I'm not

going to demand it.

What reaction

1:34:041:34:09

have you had since you wrote your

piece yesterday?

It has been

1:34:091:34:13

overwhelmingly positive. I put on

Twitter yesterday, people said it

1:34:131:34:18

was a long time ago, and I accept

that, but the reason I came forward

1:34:181:34:24

was because of the other situations.

But it has been overwhelmingly

1:34:241:34:29

positive and I am glad I have done

it.

Alex, good morning. Tell the

1:34:291:34:36

audience what happened to you in

2001 involving Chris Pincher, not a

1:34:361:34:43

Conservative MP at that stage.

We

had gone canvassing, telephone

1:34:431:34:48

canvassing. After the session was

over we went to a local pub and

1:34:481:34:56

after perhaps two drinks, nothing

more, he said to me in this very Bob

1:34:561:35:02

Tway, he said what about din-dins,

Alex. -- he said to me in this very

1:35:021:35:13

odd way. It was strange, but I have

experienced more odd things in my

1:35:131:35:19

life. We drove very far south,

further than I expected. And then he

1:35:191:35:24

said, let's go to my flat. We got to

his flat, he poured me a drink, and

1:35:241:35:29

within a few minutes I felt him

tugging at my shirt, taking it out

1:35:291:35:35

of my trousers. Giving me a back

massage which I hadn't asked for.

1:35:351:35:41

And him whispering in my ear, you

will go far in the Conservative

1:35:411:35:46

Party. As I said in my piece, I

stood up and jokingly said, it is

1:35:461:35:53

perhaps better if we stay friends.

At that stage he went into his

1:35:531:35:59

bathroom and said he wanted to slip

into something more comfortable,

1:35:591:36:03

which he obviously did, but what was

comfortable for him was slightly

1:36:031:36:06

more uncomfortable for me. So I made

my apologies and left.

He came out

1:36:061:36:12

of the bathroom wearing a dressing

down? Is that correct? A bathrobe?

1:36:121:36:16

It was.

Was it an abuse of power?

At

the time I didn't think about it

1:36:161:36:25

that way. I just thought it was

something that happened to people

1:36:251:36:28

like me, who have a string of

amusing incidents. In those days,

1:36:281:36:32

that's what I thought it was. But

the thing that triggered something

1:36:321:36:36

in me is the list of questionable

activity that was distributed, the

1:36:361:36:42

fact I am now a father with four

children, and remembering that my

1:36:421:36:47

sister was outraged at the time, and

she kept telling me I ought to have

1:36:471:36:51

done something. I hate to admit it,

but my sister was right, and I

1:36:511:36:57

should have said something about it,

because somebody who is not six foot

1:36:571:37:02

eight and hasn't trained all his

life, might find themselves more

1:37:021:37:08

vulnerable to this type of situation

than me. I just used the story,

1:37:081:37:14

which I then retold many times to

friends and family. It provided some

1:37:141:37:22

sort of entertainment, but those

people who are much more vulnerable

1:37:221:37:25

never found it amusing. I think it's

about right. When I saw this list I

1:37:251:37:32

thought to myself, I'm getting tired

of an established organisation, that

1:37:321:37:38

has become so narcissistic that it

can't think beyond its own feelings

1:37:381:37:43

and what it does to each other. It's

the sense of being really sick and

1:37:431:37:51

tired of the kind of activities that

most of us find quite repulsive,

1:37:511:37:56

actually.

Thank you to Alex. A

Downing Street spokesman has said

1:37:561:38:02

Chris Pincher has voluntarily stood

down from the whip's office and

1:38:021:38:06

referred himself to the

Parliamentary complaints procedure

1:38:061:38:09

and the police. He has said, I can

only apologise to Alex. Is this a

1:38:091:38:18

tipping point in our country?

It

feels like it. I think the speed at

1:38:181:38:23

which Theresa May acted in my case,

and she has taught today about

1:38:231:38:27

respect. The culture of respect is a

key thing. All I wanted in my lunch

1:38:271:38:31

with Michael Fallon was respect, to

be treated as a professional

1:38:311:38:34

journalist. I think he would feel

the same way. It is very difficult

1:38:341:38:43

to challenge something as powerful

as politicians and the political

1:38:431:38:47

establishment. I think this is

probably... I hope there will be a

1:38:471:38:52

shift in attitudes.

Thank you for

talking to us.

1:38:521:38:57

Still to come.

1:38:571:38:59

The children's commissioner tells

this programme it's vital that

1:38:591:39:01

there's more mental health support

for children who grow up in care.

1:39:011:39:07

The children's commissioner has told

this programme that there should be

1:39:071:39:09

a presumption that children in care

should receive support

1:39:091:39:12

for their mental health.

1:39:121:39:13

Almost half of those in the care

system have a diagnosable

1:39:131:39:15

mental health disorder -

with looked-after children

1:39:151:39:17

are four times more likely

than their non-looked after peers

1:39:171:39:20

to have a mental health condition.

1:39:201:39:21

So why isn't there enough

support out there?

1:39:211:39:23

Anne Longfield says that the care

system has been too focused on child

1:39:231:39:26

safeguarding in the past and not

enough on helping children recover

1:39:261:39:29

from traumatic upbringings.

1:39:291:39:30

We've been speaking to a care

leaver called Callum,

1:39:301:39:32

who told us about his own mental

health issues and the difficulties

1:39:321:39:35

he found in getting help.

1:39:351:39:36

A warning - this film contains

references to self harm

1:39:361:39:39

and suicide from the start.

1:39:391:39:44

Just imagine you're sat in a pitch

dark room, with no-one there,

1:39:471:39:52

curled up in the corner,

crying to yourself.

1:39:521:39:55

All it is, is you and a razor blade.

1:39:551:39:59

That's the only thing you can use

to get your anger out.

1:39:591:40:03

Me and my brothers ended up in care.

1:40:031:40:10

It felt like no-one

was there, and no-one cared.

1:40:101:40:14

I cried myself to sleep

every single night.

1:40:141:40:17

My self harm got really bad.

1:40:171:40:22

At one point I had a cut

from the hip down to my kneecap.

1:40:221:40:28

My dad was an alcoholic.

1:40:441:40:51

He passed away the 20th

of October 2008.

1:40:511:40:55

He was like my superhero,

you know what I mean?

1:40:551:40:59

I could go to him for

absolutely anything.

1:40:591:41:02

When he passed away,

it hurt me and my brothers.

1:41:071:41:13

And it didn't help that then

we got taken into care,

1:41:131:41:17

and then it got a lot worse

because you think, oh,

1:41:171:41:21

now I've lost my mum and my dad.

1:41:211:41:25

You know, even though my mum's

still here, you feel

1:41:251:41:28

like you've lost both.

1:41:281:41:31

I was 13, just turning 14.

1:41:311:41:37

So I was still young

and I was still, you know,

1:41:371:41:41

an emotional kid who was still

trying to get over Dad.

1:41:411:41:44

Everything got on top of me.

1:41:441:41:47

It felt like no-one

were there and no-one cared.

1:41:471:41:53

You know, no-one wanted to be your

friend, no-one wanted to love you.

1:41:531:41:57

It felt like my mum

just gave up on me.

1:41:571:42:02

I started getting bullied.

1:42:021:42:04

Some people knew about my dad

passing away and they would

1:42:041:42:07

say horrible jokes.

1:42:071:42:09

Crying myself to sleep

every single night.

1:42:091:42:14

Didn't know what to do.

1:42:141:42:16

And then I kicked off

with my foster carers.

1:42:161:42:19

That's when I got moved

to the care home.

1:42:191:42:22

And that's when I started

self harming and stuff.

1:42:221:42:26

I did a few cuts on my arm and I did

it all over my legs.

1:42:261:42:29

I just, you know...

1:42:291:42:33

They say it takes the pain away.

1:42:331:42:37

It only took the pain

away for that moment,

1:42:371:42:39

and then it was back.

1:42:391:42:41

My self harm got really bad.

1:42:411:42:47

At one point I had a cut

from the hip down to my kneecap.

1:42:471:42:50

I tried to take my own life.

1:42:501:42:56

I went to go hang myself.

1:42:561:42:59

My carer stormed through my door,

cut me down and pinned me down

1:42:591:43:03

to the floor and said,

you know, mate, you're

1:43:031:43:05

worth more than this.

1:43:051:43:07

I understand what you're

going through, but you can

1:43:071:43:10

do better than this.

1:43:101:43:11

You're going to make it far in life.

1:43:111:43:17

Why it was difficult

to get support, at first,

1:43:251:43:28

I didn't really know how to get it.

1:43:281:43:35

I was very closed in on myself

as well, so I didn't really want

1:43:351:43:39

many people to know.

1:43:391:43:40

Then I started getting

a bit of help with it.

1:43:401:43:42

I got a bit of counselling.

1:43:421:43:44

Sometimes you had a good counsellor,

then you had the bad counsellor.

1:43:441:43:49

The good counsellors were generally,

"Here you are, Callum, we understand

1:43:491:43:54

what you're going through."

1:43:541:43:55

But then next time I could

have someone completely

1:43:551:43:58

different and they're, like,

you know, they don't know

1:43:581:44:01

what's going on in my life.

1:44:011:44:03

All they've done is

read a piece of paper.

1:44:031:44:06

If I could go back there today,

I'd say to them that I want

1:44:061:44:10

one set worker for me.

1:44:101:44:12

I don't want to see one person one

week and then see another

1:44:121:44:15

person the other week.

1:44:151:44:19

In the care system, when you're

in a care home, it sounds bad,

1:44:271:44:30

when you turn 18 you've

got no choice.

1:44:301:44:33

You're out.

1:44:331:44:36

You know, you go

into your own place.

1:44:361:44:41

So, you've got the worries

about all your benefits

1:44:411:44:49

going through, all council

taxes, TV licences.

1:44:491:44:52

You know, making sure

you can run your house

1:44:521:44:54

properly, paying your rent.

1:44:541:44:56

The world's scary.

1:44:561:45:00

There definitely should be more

support with mental health.

1:45:001:45:08

Because there are quite a few kids,

or young people out there,

1:45:081:45:12

who are struggling with it.

1:45:121:45:15

Respect.

1:45:251:45:26

Respect.

1:45:261:45:27

Good girl.

1:45:271:45:28

Now, you know, I'm in a happy place.

1:45:281:45:30

I've got my own house.

1:45:301:45:32

I've got a beautiful daughter,

I've got a beautiful fiancee.

1:45:321:45:34

I'm having a generally happy life.

1:45:341:45:39

If I didn't meet my girlfriend,

I'd be getting in trouble

1:45:391:45:45

with the police or -

it sounds even worse - dead.

1:45:451:45:51

Even though Barnardos did help,

they didn't give me the love

1:45:511:45:56

I really wanted, even though

they give you the love,

1:45:561:45:58

it was more like a friendship love.

1:45:581:46:00

What my girlfriend gave me is love.

1:46:001:46:03

You know?

1:46:031:46:07

I've got a family now

and the family, that's all I've

1:46:071:46:11

ever wanted, a family.

1:46:111:46:14

Give daddy kisses.

1:46:151:46:19

I love you.

1:46:191:46:22

And if you've been affected by any

of the issues raised

1:46:291:46:34

in that film you can

contact our action line

1:46:341:46:36

bbc.co.uk/actionline.

1:46:361:46:39

We can speak now to Anne Longfield,

the Children's Commissioner.

1:46:391:46:42

John Simmonds, whose a qualified

social worker and a director

1:46:421:46:44

at the fostering and adoption agency

Coram BAAF, and Sylvia Shroer,

1:46:441:46:49

from Adopters Together,

a peer supported campaigning

1:46:491:46:52

initiative for adopters

and special guardians.

1:46:521:46:59

Tell us about the scale of the

problem?

We have got about 70,000

1:46:591:47:04

children in the care system at any

one time and at least 60% have

1:47:041:47:09

mental health issues. They have had

the greatest traumas any of us could

1:47:091:47:14

think of before they enter care and

whilst there is assessments around

1:47:141:47:20

health and assessments around health

and billion being so many children

1:47:201:47:23

not only say they struggle to get

help, but come out of it saying,

1:47:231:47:26

look, what we want is kindness and

love and people to believe in us. So

1:47:261:47:31

what I'd like to see is a much

greater emphasis on helping children

1:47:311:47:34

recover. We have had a fantastic

example there of Callum really

1:47:341:47:39

genuine, fantastic young man with

his whole life ahead of him. That

1:47:391:47:42

can be for every child in care, but

they need help to get there.

Some of

1:47:421:47:47

the recommendations from the report

that is produced on this today is

1:47:471:47:50

this idea of a virtual mental health

lead. So one single person with

1:47:501:47:56

oversight for mental health in every

area responsible for each child?

1:47:561:48:01

More help and support for foster

carers to deal with mental health

1:48:011:48:04

issues and complex issues with

children. This has come from the

1:48:041:48:08

Department of Health and the

Department for Education together

1:48:081:48:10

and it comes ahead of a Green Paper.

So, I think there is much in there

1:48:101:48:13

that could be acted on.

John, hello.

Hello.

Specific challenges for

1:48:131:48:17

social workers when it comes to

looking after children in care. And

1:48:171:48:20

their mental health?

Yes. I mean I

think one of the things that stands

1:48:201:48:25

out really, looked after children we

are talking about newborns, and we

1:48:251:48:29

are talking about 18-year-olds so

this is a big span. One of the

1:48:291:48:33

things that came through in Callum's

discussion about his experiences,

1:48:331:48:40

family life and relationships are

core to who we are and I suppose one

1:48:401:48:44

of the big issues for me when we

come to talk about mental health is

1:48:441:48:48

that generally we are talking about

relationships that have gone wrong,

1:48:481:48:53

relationships which cause anxiety, a

relationship where there is abuse

1:48:531:48:56

and neglect and the family life that

is on the edge. And for many,

1:48:561:49:01

children that come into care, it's a

family life that's broken. It is

1:49:011:49:07

right that we should focus on issues

of emotional and behavioural and

1:49:071:49:13

mental health, but I think the thing

that we can't ignore is for all of

1:49:131:49:17

us, our sense of belonging and our

sense of stability and security come

1:49:171:49:22

from a loving family life. So where

a family life has been broken down,

1:49:221:49:26

has broken down, which is at the

centre of what happens for children

1:49:261:49:30

when they become looked after, the

issue is how do we rebuild something

1:49:301:49:35

either in the child's original

family or in foster care or in

1:49:351:49:40

adoption, in whatever the legal

order that frames that child's new

1:49:401:49:44

experience. But it is family life

and relationships that are at the

1:49:441:49:48

centre of that and I thought that

that came across so strongly in

1:49:481:49:52

Callum's view about his fiancee and

his baby. He was creating a family

1:49:521:49:57

life for his child and there

couldn't be a more central issue for

1:49:571:50:00

all looked after children about

their experiences of family life and

1:50:001:50:03

loving relationships.

Sylvia, what are the kind of issues

1:50:031:50:07

that the parents in your group are

facing when it comes to looking

1:50:071:50:10

after children andle mental health

problems?

The biggest issue that we

1:50:101:50:15

have sadly is blame. We parent the,

in terms of the 70,000 children in

1:50:151:50:25

the care system, what the report in

2014 found that adoptive parents,

1:50:251:50:31

parent the most severely traumatised

and abused children so we are at the

1:50:311:50:34

extreme end of the mental health

problems and we have a problem at

1:50:341:50:37

the moment which is that we, in the

system, it's very child focussed and

1:50:371:50:45

when the attention is focussed on

the child, it's not on the family as

1:50:451:50:48

a whole. We are in effect the

intervention. We are the policy

1:50:481:50:54

intervention, but what happens is

that when we ask for help,

1:50:541:50:58

intervention comes between us and

our children. And that has to change

1:50:581:51:02

and blame has to go. So whilst this

is a very positive move of the

1:51:021:51:07

virtual mental health lead, we feel

that it needs to go further because

1:51:071:51:11

that person could actually do harm

if they did not have an awareness of

1:51:111:51:15

adoption issues and we are calling

for an adoption guardian to be

1:51:151:51:22

attached to every single adoptive

child in the care system who will go

1:51:221:51:26

to meetings, and who will support

the family, the family. Love,

1:51:261:51:35

belonging, and permanence.

It sounds

incredible and I'm going to say, but

1:51:351:51:39

that will cost money. Let me tell

you what the Government says. Are

1:51:391:51:42

you saying, no, it won't cost

anything.

It need not cost a lot of

1:51:421:51:47

money. The money will come from the

BBC did a survey recently where they

1:51:471:51:52

found that of the 3,000 people that

responded a quarter of them said

1:51:521:51:59

that their children were going to

re-enter care. It is termed a

1:51:591:52:03

disruption which is a misleading

term and that, each of those

1:52:031:52:07

children is likely to cost £1

million. That's £750 million.

This

1:52:071:52:12

is money well spent.

This is money

saved.

We asked for an interview and

1:52:121:52:17

we didn't get one.

1:52:171:52:22

"It is vital that children in care

and those who look after them

1:52:221:52:25

receive the mental health

support they need.

1:52:251:52:28

able to shine a light

on the issues they face.

1:52:281:52:30

"We are putting a record

£1.4 billion into children and young

1:52:301:52:33

people's mental health

but there is more to be done

1:52:331:52:35

and we will now consider

the report with a view

1:52:351:52:38

to taking further action."

1:52:381:52:39

Lleyton says there is a huge deficit

in the way we deal with huge

1:52:391:52:42

people's emotional issues. We

penalise self-harm, but there is no

1:52:421:52:45

consistent good quality counselling

and so your idea would make a

1:52:451:52:47

difference for many young people.

Do you worry about the fact that it

1:52:471:52:53

would, having this, virtual mental

health tsar is going to come down to

1:52:531:52:58

resources in the end?

Well, I mean,

as you said actually it's investing

1:52:581:53:04

now to save later. If we can get

children to the point where they're

1:53:041:53:08

confident, they're actually able to

either go back to their own family

1:53:081:53:13

or actually move into their adult

life, confidently because that's

1:53:131:53:19

also the transition to adulthood is

the point where a lot of children

1:53:191:53:24

fall off mental health support. Then

it will be easier on the public

1:53:241:53:27

purse. So it is investing early to

save later, but one of the big

1:53:271:53:31

issues children tell me about is

stability, is permanence and is that

1:53:311:53:35

feeling of belonging. So it has to

be absolutely at the centre of the

1:53:351:53:38

care experience.

OK, thank you all.

Thank you very much for coming on

1:53:381:53:41

the programme. Thank you.

1:53:411:53:47

It's being called the "biggest

Strictly shock ever".

1:53:471:53:52

One of the early favourites to win

the show, Aston Merrygold has been

1:53:521:53:55

sent home after judge

Shirley Ballas had the final,

1:53:551:53:58

casting vote, following

a dance-off with Mollie King.

1:53:581:54:00

Dancing the Viennese Waltz Aston

Merrygold and Janette Manrara.

1:54:001:54:08

MUSIC: Who's Loving

You by the Jackson 5.

1:54:131:54:20

The scores are in.

1:54:311:54:36

The judges have their scores,

Craig Revel Horwood.

1:54:361:54:38

4.

1:54:381:54:39

Darcey Bussell.

1:54:391:54:41

7.

1:54:411:54:43

Shirley Ballas.

1:54:431:54:45

7.

1:54:451:54:48

And Bruno Tonioli.

1:54:481:54:49

7.

1:54:491:54:53

A 4?

1:54:531:54:55

You have never had a 4.

1:54:551:54:58

Aston and Janette.

1:54:581:55:02

The rest of have you to

wait a little longer

1:55:021:55:05

to find out your fate.

1:55:051:55:08

Aston and Janette,

please come and join me.

1:55:081:55:13

Well again, a very difficult choice,

two fantastic couples.

1:55:131:55:17

Very difficult to do,

but on technical accuracy,

1:55:171:55:19

beautiful flow and full engagement

during the dance, I'm

1:55:191:55:21

saving Mollie and AJ.

1:55:211:55:31

That means we're going to have

to say goodbye to Aston and Janette.

1:55:321:55:35

Please come and join me.

1:55:351:55:37

Have you enjoyed the

Strictly experience?

1:55:371:55:40

I've, honestly, every second.

1:55:401:55:42

Every second of this.

1:55:421:55:50

I've had friends that have done this

show before and they've gone "You're

1:55:501:55:53

going to have the most amount of fun

from start to finish".

1:55:531:55:56

Honestly, they weren't lying.

1:55:561:55:57

From this lady to every

single person in here,

1:55:571:55:59

you four guys, yourself, Claudia,

all of you amazing lot up

1:55:591:56:02

here that I get to see and spend

so much time with and learn

1:56:021:56:05

from and made some amazing friends.

1:56:051:56:06

I honestly I have had the best time.

1:56:061:56:08

It has been amazing.

1:56:081:56:11

Let's talk to former Strictly

professional dancer, Robin Windsor.

1:56:111:56:16

How shocked were you?

I was shocked.

We were expecting Aston to be one of

1:56:161:56:21

the finalists. This is an

entertainment show and anything can

1:56:211:56:24

happen as was proved last night.

There are cross viewers though. I

1:56:241:56:28

moon seriously. Julie e-mailed, she

is cross with me. She says I was

1:56:281:56:34

patronising about it earlier, but

she says it was the wrong result.

1:56:341:56:39

When I say I won't be watching

again, I won't.

I think what you

1:56:391:56:43

have got to remember, so many people

have an opinion about it this

1:56:431:56:47

morning, but about 90% of the people

didn't pick up the phone and vote

1:56:471:56:53

for Aston, it is one of those

things, who is to blame? The public?

1:56:531:56:57

Craig? Shirley? The routine, the

production? So many elements go into

1:56:571:57:03

it and sadly Aston got a dance that

wasn't suited to him.

What did

1:57:031:57:09

Shirley mean when she said, "Full

engagement in the dance"

When you

1:57:091:57:17

compare Mollie and Aston, Mollie

performed better and more eloquently

1:57:171:57:25

for a foxtrot, whereas Aston's dance

was more contemporary.

But that's

1:57:251:57:29

not his fault. Are you saying if he

had a tux on and Janette wearing a

1:57:291:57:40

beautiful sequinned dress it would

have been all right?

I don't think

1:57:401:57:42

it would have made a difference. The

judges should be judging on the

1:57:421:57:47

dance off and now how the dances

have been throughout the series.

But

1:57:471:57:51

what about the viewers who want to

see Aston go on because he is a

1:57:511:57:57

better dancer than Mollie? Inchts in

agreement with that, but clearly

1:57:571:58:01

people didn't pick up the phone and

vote for him so it is their fault at

1:58:011:58:05

the end of the day. I remember Len

Goodman saying you can't moan if you

1:58:051:58:09

don't pick up the phone!

Thank you very much, Robin. It is

1:58:091:58:13

your fault! Thank you, Robin.

1:58:131:58:19

Tomorrow, more on the Westminster

harassment story. Thank you for your

1:58:191:58:22

company today. Back tomorrow at 9am.

1:58:221:58:28

We've been investigating

the hidden offshore world

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