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Hello, it's Wednesday, it's 9am,
I'm Victoria Derbyshire. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
Welcome to the programme. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:16 | |
Can the International Development
Secretary hang on to her job? She | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
has been ordered to fly back from a
trip to Africa to face the music. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:27 | |
Priti Patel didn't tell the Prime
Minister about all the meetings she | 0:00:27 | 0:00:32 | |
had with Israeli officials. Is it
time the Secretary of State faces a | 0:00:32 | 0:00:37 | |
Cabinet Office investigation or does
the decent thing and just resigns. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:44 | |
We've had exclusive access
to one of the world's | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
most hidden societies -
the freemasons - famous | 0:00:47 | 0:00:55 | |
Do you use secret hand shakes? Of
course, we do. Can you do it with me | 0:00:55 | 0:01:00 | |
now? No, it's a secret. What happens
and when do you do it? It's a | 0:01:00 | 0:01:05 | |
secret. It is fascinating. We will
find out too if claims and | 0:01:05 | 0:01:11 | |
corruption and collusion amongst the
female Freemasons is true. The | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
number of homeless people in England
has gone up according to Shelter. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:19 | |
They say there are over 260,000 home
people in this country. That's | 0:01:19 | 0:01:24 | |
around the population of Newcastle. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
Hello and welcome to the programme.
We're live until 11am. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:42 | |
Are you officially homeless? You
will know that definition includes | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
anyone on the streets or in
temporary accommodation? If that's | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
you, let me know what led to your
homelessness and what is happening | 0:01:49 | 0:01:54 | |
to help you get somewhere permanent?
We will talk about that after 10am. | 0:01:54 | 0:02:01 | |
The International Development
Secretary's future in the Cabinet is | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
in doubt after details emerged of
further undisclosed meetings she had | 0:02:03 | 0:02:08 | |
with Israeli politicians. It is
believed Priti Patel, who is flying | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
back from Uganda at the request of
Theresa May, had two more meetings | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
after she returned from her summer
holiday in Israel, but failed to | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
tell the Prime Minister about them
when she spoke to Mrs May on Monday. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:26 | |
Norman Smith is at Westminster. So
she will be on a plane shortly. Is | 0:02:26 | 0:02:31 | |
that because Mrs May wants to sack
her to her face? She is on the plane | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
now, somewhere over the Sudan. She
caught a flight back from Nairobi a | 0:02:35 | 0:02:40 | |
short time ago at the request of
Downing Street and I think we can | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
take it from that she will be
summoned into Number Ten to explain | 0:02:44 | 0:02:49 | |
what she didn't tell the Prime
Minister when she was called in for | 0:02:49 | 0:02:55 | |
that face-to-face meeting on Monday
to come clean, to receive that | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
formal rebuke, reprimand, warning
about her conduct, why at that | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
meeting she didn't come clean and
tell the Prime Minister all the | 0:03:02 | 0:03:07 | |
different meetings she had with
different Israeli Prime Ministers, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
politicians, because it now
transpires there were two further | 0:03:11 | 0:03:16 | |
meetings which she neglected to tell
Mrs May about. At both those | 0:03:16 | 0:03:23 | |
meetings, there were no other
government officials there as they | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
normally are, at both those
meetings, The President of the | 0:03:27 | 0:03:32 | |
conservative Friends of Israel was
also there and they were not | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
recorded and reported in the normal
way. Highly, highly unusual | 0:03:35 | 0:03:40 | |
behaviour which she didn't tell the
Prime Minister about. More than | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
that, she didn't tell the Prime
Minister also that she had asked her | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
department to look into providing
tax payers cash to go to the Israeli | 0:03:47 | 0:03:56 | |
army on the occupied October Golan
Heights. She misled the Prime | 0:03:56 | 0:04:07 | |
Minister and more than that, she
misled Parliament because her number | 0:04:07 | 0:04:12 | |
two had to go to the Commons
yesterday to explain she had been up | 0:04:12 | 0:04:19 | |
to and he wasn't in the loop with
her ties with Israeli politicians. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
The expectation is she will get into
London at 3pm. And she will be | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
hauled in front of the Prime
Minister and asked to give her | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
version of events and then she will
be sacked. Go that does happen, and | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
Mrs May ends up losing her
International Development Secretary, | 0:04:33 | 0:04:39 | |
a week after her Defence Secretary
resigned. What does it mean for Mrs | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
May's government? It is bad, bad,
bad, but it could be worse. Yes, of | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
course losing a second minister in
less than a week is a nightmare. You | 0:04:46 | 0:04:52 | |
also do not want someone like Priti
Patel, highly ambitious leading face | 0:04:52 | 0:04:59 | |
of Brexit on the backbenches
breathing down your neck, but look | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
at it this, what if Mrs May bottled
and decided to turn the other cheek | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
and not boot her out of the Cabinet,
how weak would that look and in a | 0:05:06 | 0:05:12 | |
way, the Prime Minister has no other
options. Priti Patel has already had | 0:05:12 | 0:05:18 | |
to issue in inverted commas
clarifications. She has already had | 0:05:18 | 0:05:23 | |
to apologise. She has already
received a formal rep pra manned | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
from the Prime Minister. What more
can Mrs May do but sack her. Yes, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:33 | |
it's bad, but believe you me t could
possibly be even worse if she did | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
nothing.
Thank you, Norman. Thank you very | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
much.
More reaction on that story at | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
9.15am. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
Annita McVeigh is in the BBC
Newsroom with a summary | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
of the rest of the day's news. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
Donald Trump has arrived in Beijing
as he continues his tour of Asia. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
The American President took a tour
of the Forbidden City | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
in the capital alongside his Chinese
counterpart, Xi Jinping. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
Mr Trump is expected to ask China
to cut its financial | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
links with North Korea. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
Speaking in South Korea earlier,
Mr Trump urged all countries to join | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
forces to isolate Pyongyang,
saying the world could not tolerate | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
a rogue nation that threatened
nuclear devastation. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:19 | |
The weapons you are acquiring are
not making you safer. They are | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
putting your regime in grave danger.
Every step you take down this dark | 0:06:23 | 0:06:30 | |
path, increases the peril you face.
Yet despite every crime you have | 0:06:30 | 0:06:37 | |
committed against god and man, you
are already to offer and we will do | 0:06:37 | 0:06:42 | |
that. We will offer a path to a much
better future. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:52 | |
Our China Correspondent,
Stephen McDonnell, is in Beijing. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
What sort of hearing are the Chinese
likely to give to that request from | 0:06:56 | 0:07:01 | |
President Trump that they cut their
financial ties with North Korea? | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
Well, I'm standing outside the
Forbidden City where Donald Trump | 0:07:05 | 0:07:10 | |
and Xi Jinping and their wives met
and had a cup of tea and an informal | 0:07:10 | 0:07:16 | |
chat. N sure if they have had this
difficult conversation. As to what | 0:07:16 | 0:07:26 | |
the Chinese will say to Donald
Trump. There is a difference of | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
view, Donald Trump said that he has
called on Russia and China to fully | 0:07:28 | 0:07:34 | |
implement the UN sanctions against
North Korea. China says well, we are | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
already doing that. Donald Trump
said this morning, he rhetorically | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
asked the question, why would China
be supporting the regime in North | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
Korea, given its horrendous Human
Rights record and its nuclear | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
weapons programme. Again, the
Chinese would say, we are doing more | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
than anyone else is to try and
pressure North Korea to come to the | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
table. But really the challenge for
both of them is to come up with | 0:07:55 | 0:08:00 | |
something that will further this
process because North Korea is | 0:08:00 | 0:08:05 | |
showing no inclination whatsoever
that it is prepared to talk about | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
giving up nuclear weapons. It wants
the world to accept it as a nuclear | 0:08:08 | 0:08:13 | |
weapons nation and Vladimir Putin
said the North Koreans would rather | 0:08:13 | 0:08:19 | |
eat grass than give up their nuclear
weapons. So possibly, if he's right, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
it doesn't matter how much pressure,
China, the US, South Korea, Japan | 0:08:23 | 0:08:30 | |
can bring to bear on North Korea,
they won't give up their nuclear | 0:08:30 | 0:08:35 | |
weapons, we will have to see if
Donald Trump and his Chinese | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
counterpart, Xi Jinping, can come up
with anything which might move this | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
along. Stephen, thank you very much. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
The Prince of Wales has been
criticised for failing to disclose | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
an investment by his private estate
in an offshore company. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
The revelations come from a number
of leaked documents about tax havens | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
known as the Paradise Papers. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:55 | |
It's the second time
this week that a member | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
of the Royal Family has been named. | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
Andy Verity reports. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
Prince Charles has campaigned
on the environment for decades | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
and especially for the rainforest. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:07 | |
Today, he is due to arrive in India,
after flying from Malaysia, | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
as criticism grew at home
of his failure to disclose | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
a secret financial stake
in a company in Bermuda. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
On the right here is the late
Hugh van Cutsem, one | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
of the Prince's oldest friends. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:24 | |
He was a director of Sustainable
Forestry Management Limited, | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
a firm that managed tropical
rainforests, registered in Bermuda. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
The company wanted to trade
in carbon credits, but tropical | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
rainforests weren't included
in carbon credit trading schemes | 0:09:33 | 0:09:34 | |
so it needed the rules changed. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:42 | |
In February 2007, the Duchy bought
50 shares in van Cutsem's | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
company worth $113,500. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
At that time, SFM's directors
agreed to keep the Duchy's | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
shares confidential. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:56 | |
Mr van Cutsem asked for lobbying
documents to be sent to the Prince's | 0:09:56 | 0:10:01 | |
office and soon the Prince
was making speeches campaigning | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
for changes to two international
agreements on carbon credits. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:10 | |
In June 2008, the Duchy
sold its shares for $325,000, | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
a profit of more than $200,000. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
Well, I think it's
a serious conflict. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
There's a conflict of interest
between his own investments | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
of the Duchy of Cornwall
and what he's trying | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
to achieve publicly. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
Clarence House said,
"The Prince does not have | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
any direct involvement
in the investment decisions taken | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
by the Duchy and he has certainly
never chosen to speak out on a topic | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
simply because of a company that it
may have invested in." | 0:10:34 | 0:10:39 | |
There's no suggestion of illegality,
nor that Prince Charles's | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
campaigning caused the share price
of his friend's company to rise. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
Nor is it suggested that the Duchy
was seeking to avoid tax. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:52 | |
The First Minister of Wales,
Carwyn Jones, is under pressure | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
to give details about his decision
to sack Carl Sargeant | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
a member of his Cabinet
who was found dead yesterday. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
He told Mr Sargeant
to leave his post last week | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
because of unspecified allegations
about his behaviour. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:08 | |
One Labour member of
the Welsh Assembly said | 0:11:08 | 0:11:14 | |
there was "deep
unease" in the group. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
Thousands of people with the most
advanced cancers in England are now | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
surviving for several years
after diagnosis, | 0:11:19 | 0:11:20 | |
according to new research. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:21 | |
MacMillan Cancer Support said this
is down to the success | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
of new treatments but it warned
living longer with advanced cancer | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
can bring its own difficulties. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
Our Health Correspondent
Sophie Hutchinson reports. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:35 | |
Carol Fenton has lived
with stage four breast cancer | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
for the past two years. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
The tumour has spread from where it
started to another organ. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
She says living with this level
of disease has meant | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
a lot of uncertainty. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:48 | |
The breast cancer has
actually spread to my spine, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:54 | |
my right and left hip and also
in my liver. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
And it's incredibly devastating
to hear that when, you know, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
I was doing so well. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
Today, the charity MacMillan Cancer
Support says thousands of people | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
are now living longer
with advanced cancer. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
Figures from England's National
Cancer Register from 2015 suggest | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
at least 17,000 people survived
for two years or more | 0:12:14 | 0:12:19 | |
after a stage four diagnosis. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
They include people with breast,
prostate, lung and bowel cancer. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
The charity says it's the first time
survival figures for advanced cancer | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
have been publicly available
and shows the impact of improved | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
treatments for patients. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:36 | |
I am taking oral chemotherapy.
I'm on my third range of treatment. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:41 | |
There has been some progression
in that two and a half years | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
but my scans have been
stable since January. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:49 | |
I've been on the same
treatment since January, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
which is incredibly good news. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:57 | |
Today's report is calling for better
support and care for people | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
like Carol so that they can live
as long as possible and as well as | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
possible with the disease. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
The head of NHS England will warn
today that the public wants to see | 0:13:07 | 0:13:13 | |
promises on NHS funding
made during the EU | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
referendum campaign
honoured by the government. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
Simon Stevens will tell a health
conference that trust | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
in the democratic process will be
weakened, if higher | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
funding is not delivered. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
Five rail operators are facing
disruption due to strike action | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
by the Rail, Maritime
and Transport union. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
Workers on Southern, Greater Anglia
and South Western Railway | 0:13:31 | 0:13:33 | |
are striking for 48 hours,
while staff on Merseyrail | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
and Northern have walked
out for 24 hours. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
The union is in dispute over
driver-only operated trains. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:45 | |
Sheep might not have the reputation
for being the cleverest of animals, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
but new research shows they can
learn to recognise human faces. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
A group of Welsh Mountain sheep
had special training | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
after which they could pick out
the faces of celebrities actors | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
Jake Gyllenhaal and Emma Watson
and former US President Barack | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
Obama. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
They were tested to see if they
could identify the famous faces | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
among other photos. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:11 | |
Researchers say it shows sheep
possess similar face recognition | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
abilities to primates. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:18 | |
Andy Murray and his wife, Kim, have
announced the birth of their second | 0:14:18 | 0:14:23 | |
child. The couple gave birth to a
baby girl. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:36 | |
If you wonder why Fiona Bruce's name
is on Twitter, it is because the | 0:14:36 | 0:14:42 | |
sheep were trying to recognise her
as well! | 0:14:42 | 0:14:52 | |
Norman Smith told us that Priti
Patel is on a plane back to the UK | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
now. She didn't tell the Prime
Minister how many meetings she had | 0:14:56 | 0:15:02 | |
with Israeli politicians. What
should happen to her? Should she be | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
sacked? What does it mean for
Theresa May's government? If you are | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
getting in touch, you're welcome. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
Do get in touch with us
throughout the morning - | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
use the hashtag Victoria LIVE
and if you text, you will be charged | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
at the standard network rate. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:18 | |
Let's get some sport
with Katherine Downes. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
Andy Murray has made
a return to tennis. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:25 | |
First a new baby daughter and then
the return to court. We haven't seen | 0:15:25 | 0:15:31 | |
him since Wimbledon in July and then
he pulled out of the US Open two | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
days before the tournament was
supposed to start. So we haven't | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
seen him play since July. He had an
operation on his hip and he has been | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
gradually coming back to fitness
looking perhaps for a return to | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
competitive tennis at the start of
next year with an eye on the | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
Australian Open in January. This is
what he had to say about his return. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:57 | |
I'm in a significantly better place
than I was, you know, | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
in the build-up to the US Open. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
And certainly at the end
of Wimbledon, you know, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
I was really struggling there. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:05 | |
Walking was, you know,
a big problem for me, you know. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
So I just try to get
myself back to 100%. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:14 | |
Yesterday he was playing in an
exhibition match against Roger | 0:16:14 | 0:16:19 | |
Federer. Roger Federer missed big
chunks of the year as well but went | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
on to win the Australian open and
Wimbledon by picking when he | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
returned to action. This was
Federer's first visit to Scotland | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
and they had a bit of fun with it.
Andy Murray wearing a Scottish hat | 0:16:30 | 0:16:37 | |
and Roger Federer putting a kilt
and! | 0:16:37 | 0:16:46 | |
Good to see Andy Murray back on
court. As he said, it's not about | 0:16:46 | 0:16:51 | |
being world number one any more.
He's dropped out of the top ten for | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
the first time in three years. He
said afterwards I just want to play | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
tennis again, it's my life and my
job. What's going on with Tyson Fury | 0:16:58 | 0:17:04 | |
and the UK anti-doping agency? The
UK anti-doping agency are a bit | 0:17:04 | 0:17:09 | |
worried they are facing insolvency
over a legal battle they've got | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
going on with the former heavyweight
champion Tyson Fury. He tested | 0:17:12 | 0:17:17 | |
positive for steroids in June last
year. Part of his defence was that | 0:17:17 | 0:17:23 | |
he ate uncastrated wild boar which
has high levels of testosterone in | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
it. This case has rumbled on to the
point where Tyson Fury hasn't fought | 0:17:26 | 0:17:31 | |
the two years. The agency are
worried that if he wins the appeal | 0:17:31 | 0:17:39 | |
he may sue them for loss of
earnings. The UK anti-doping agency | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
have an annual budget of £8 million,
so it would be financially a bit | 0:17:43 | 0:17:48 | |
difficult for them if they were to
be sued by Tyson Fury. However, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:53 | |
they've said they don't want to
pursue this case because it sends | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
out the wrong message if they drop
it -- they said they do want to | 0:17:56 | 0:18:01 | |
pursue this case because the
integrity of the sport is as | 0:18:01 | 0:18:07 | |
important. Also it sends a message
to sports stars that if they carry | 0:18:07 | 0:18:12 | |
on with long protracted legal
proceedings they'll be able to deep | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
the doping system anyway. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:24 | |
Can the International
Development Secretary survive? | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
It doesn't look likely -
she's been ordered this morning | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
to fly back from a trip to Uganda. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
It was bad enough that she met her
boss the PM on Monday to apologise | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
for arranging and holding 12 secret
meetings with Israeli politicians | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
on a "family holiday" in the summer
without telling anyone in advance. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
She apologised to Mrs May
for that earlier this week, | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
but it's now emerged she failed
to tell Mrs May about two further | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
meetings with Israeli officials that
took place in September. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
With me is Crispin Blunt,
Conservative MP and former chair | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
of the Foreign Affairs
Select Committee. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
Also joining us is Sir Desmond
Swayne, former Minister of State | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
for International Development under
Prime Minister David Cameron. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
And Labour's Jon Trickett,
Shadow Cabinet Office Minister. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:07 | |
Good morning gentlemen. Crispin
Blunt, she has misled her boss, she | 0:19:07 | 0:19:14 | |
can't be trusted, doesn't she
deserved to lose her job? That's | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
going to be for the Prime Minister
to decide and she'll have a full | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
picture. What do you think? She will
know who said what to who. She | 0:19:21 | 0:19:27 | |
didn't on Monday, did she? I don't
know whether that was correct, so it | 0:19:27 | 0:19:32 | |
will have to be a matter for the
Prime Minister, who will hopefully | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
have people picture as to what she
said and whether the apology... It | 0:19:35 | 0:19:40 | |
doesn't look good, does it? And
whether the apology she made | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
yesterday cuts it for her. No, it
doesn't look good and if she is | 0:19:44 | 0:19:52 | |
flying back from a ministerial visit
then plainly something is up. Laura | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
Kuenssberg has drawn the conclusion
that sometime this morning she may | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
be out of a job. It's up for the
Prime Minister to decide and time | 0:20:00 | 0:20:05 | |
will tell. You're a former
international development minister. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:11 | |
Can you imagine you're then
International Development Secretary | 0:20:11 | 0:20:18 | |
holding secret meetings, so many
secret meetings, with officials from | 0:20:18 | 0:20:23 | |
another country including the Prime
Minister of another country, and not | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
telling anyone? Then when you were
challenged, not telling the Prime | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
Minister the full story? Clearly
there weren't secret meetings | 0:20:29 | 0:20:34 | |
because they aren't secret. Not now.
What has happened with respect to | 0:20:34 | 0:20:40 | |
the meetings that took place in
Israel, that has already been the | 0:20:40 | 0:20:47 | |
subject of a clear reprimand from
the Prime Minister. I'll confine | 0:20:47 | 0:20:55 | |
myself to these additional meetings
in September. All I can say is that | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
that is part of the routine business
of any department of state, and | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
particularly the Department for
International Development. I | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
conducted meetings with ministers
and officials from other countries | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
all the time, but I would not have
expected to have been reported to | 0:21:09 | 0:21:14 | |
Number 10. Of course they wouldn't
all have been properly recorded and | 0:21:14 | 0:21:21 | |
subject to any kind of search public
records. If you found yourself in a | 0:21:21 | 0:21:27 | |
conversation with your ultimate
boss, the Prime Minister, having to | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
explain why you hadn't informed the
Foreign Office about meeting the | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
Israeli Prime Minister, at that
point might you think it would be | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
wise to mention a couple of further
meetings that happened in September? | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
You're asking me to speculate about
the nature of a meeting that I | 0:21:42 | 0:21:47 | |
wasn't at. I'm asking you to tell me
what you would have done. That | 0:21:47 | 0:21:52 | |
sounds entirely plausible the way
you put it. But I wasn't at that | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
meeting, and I'm not able to save
whether it would have been | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
appropriate to mention by the way I
met another minister on the 20th of | 0:22:00 | 0:22:06 | |
February or whatever it is. Of
course it's entirely plausible that | 0:22:06 | 0:22:11 | |
an opportunity may have arisen and
she ought to have used it, but | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
equally, given the nature of that
meeting that none of us were at, we | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
aren't in a position to say whether
or not it was appropriate. Only the | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
Prime Minister can make that
judgment and I'm sure she will. What | 0:22:23 | 0:22:30 | |
do you think should happen? You've
got a minister who has engaged in a | 0:22:30 | 0:22:37 | |
series of activities and attempted
to engage in a cover-up. She didn't | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
tell the Prime Minister of those
meetings, she had no civil servants | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
with her but a lobbyist. The two
meetings you've just heard Sir | 0:22:45 | 0:22:50 | |
Desmond referring to, actually her
department refused to set those | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
meetings up as far as we can tell.
She then used her own constituency | 0:22:53 | 0:22:58 | |
office as a way of getting around
the civil service. The point is | 0:22:58 | 0:23:07 | |
this, the Middle East is a very,
very delicate area. You cannot have | 0:23:07 | 0:23:13 | |
a cabinet minister who is not the
Foreign Secretary effectively | 0:23:13 | 0:23:18 | |
running her own foreign policy. What
should happen to her? She's clearly | 0:23:18 | 0:23:24 | |
broken the code of conduct. What
should happen? There's a code of | 0:23:24 | 0:23:29 | |
conduct, she broke it. I wrote to
the Prime Minister, I wrote again | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
yesterday. She should be sacked.
Crispin Blunt, the accusation is | 0:23:33 | 0:23:38 | |
that Priti Patel was running her own
foreign policy and also trying to | 0:23:38 | 0:23:43 | |
bolster support for any future
leadership campaign. We are | 0:23:43 | 0:23:48 | |
extending things a bit there with
that last remark. She's always been | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
a strong supporter of Israel, and
she was on holiday in Israel and | 0:23:52 | 0:23:59 | |
decided with the support of Lord
Polak the president of the | 0:23:59 | 0:24:04 | |
conservative friends of Israel to
set up this series of meetings, | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
because they have these good
contacts. That would have been fine, | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
had the rest of the government known
about it and she could have been | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
briefed what line to take on those
meetings. No Foreign Office | 0:24:15 | 0:24:22 | |
officials were present, no minutes
were taken. All of that was in | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
process run, in principle wrong and
she has apologised for it. There is | 0:24:26 | 0:24:31 | |
an important duty on her coming into
this issue with Apus -- with a | 0:24:31 | 0:24:38 | |
perceived perspective that she
understands the Palestinian | 0:24:38 | 0:24:45 | |
perspective in the Israel Palestine
conflict. I chaired the Middle East | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
Council for five years and I took a
huge amount of trouble to make clear | 0:24:48 | 0:24:59 | |
that I understand the Israeli
perspective. Just so you can't be | 0:24:59 | 0:25:04 | |
charged you are unbalanced on the
issue. She and other ministers who | 0:25:04 | 0:25:09 | |
have done exactly this, no one would
accuse... Sir Desmond, if Mrs May | 0:25:09 | 0:25:25 | |
does sack Priti Patel, what does
that mean for the stability of this | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
Conservative government? I heard the
report from your commentator earlier | 0:25:29 | 0:25:36 | |
about the hyperbole. Actually I
don't think it makes a great deal of | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
difference. You don't think it's
unusual that within a week | 0:25:39 | 0:25:44 | |
potentially two Cabinet ministers
are out of a job? There are 22 | 0:25:44 | 0:25:49 | |
Cabinet ministers and there are
plenty of people who can step into | 0:25:49 | 0:25:54 | |
their shoes. It will not be a huge
destabilisation. Of course it's | 0:25:54 | 0:26:00 | |
unwelcome, but it's not the
catastrophe that some commentators | 0:26:00 | 0:26:04 | |
who spend little time thinking of
little else would have us believe. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:09 | |
Crispin Blunt, can I ask you what to
think about Priti Patel | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
commissioning her department to use
taxpayers money to help potentially | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
be humanitarian work of the Israeli
army, which Alistair Burt said to | 0:26:16 | 0:26:22 | |
MPs yesterday have been ruled out
immediately by the Foreign Office | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
has not appropriate? Because plainly
it should have made some sense to | 0:26:25 | 0:26:31 | |
her that commissioning work by the
Israeli defence Force in occupied | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
territory that we don't recognise
should have been a no-no. The task | 0:26:35 | 0:26:41 | |
that she was examining was
assistance to Syrian refugees being | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
given by the state of Israel, which
is obviously something humanitarians | 0:26:44 | 0:26:51 | |
would want to support. It's not as
black and white as it would seem but | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
it should have been black and
white... What do you think of her | 0:26:54 | 0:27:01 | |
doing that? She commissioned the
advice, she got the advice and it's | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
not happening. She is entitled to
ask questions and explore | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
possibilities. That's what you would
expect a minister to be doing. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
Really? Commissioned some work to
see if British taxpayers money would | 0:27:12 | 0:27:18 | |
be sent to the Israeli army? It's
not a straightforward as that. It | 0:27:18 | 0:27:23 | |
was money to support the medical
treatment of Syrian refugees who | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
were then coming over the border and
being dealt with... By the Israeli | 0:27:27 | 0:27:33 | |
army in that territory. In disputed
territory. The issue was that she | 0:27:33 | 0:27:39 | |
was considering was the humanitarian
one. Plainly, an imminent's | 0:27:39 | 0:27:44 | |
reflection and a consultation with
the Foreign Office about our policy | 0:27:44 | 0:27:48 | |
towards that, it wasn't appropriate.
So the internal discussions within | 0:27:48 | 0:27:52 | |
the government would reveal that and
a decision was made. Shouldn't she | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
have known that? Come on. You're
being very kind to her. That is | 0:27:55 | 0:28:01 | |
where she is in trouble because
she's not demonstrated that she's | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
got a real grip on the whole history
of the Israel Palestine conflict. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:10 | |
When you get into foreign policy
issues such as this, or Kashmir | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
where things are very delicate
between the competing parties, you | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
have to be very careful if you
appeared to take one side of an | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
argument, where Britain has a long
developed policy position as we do | 0:28:21 | 0:28:26 | |
on the occupied territories. Sir
Desmond, what do you think of that, | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
commissioning the department to see
of money could be sent to the | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
Israeli army for their humanitarian
work in disputed territory? I think | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
it would have been a short piece of
work before it emerged... And asking | 0:28:36 | 0:28:42 | |
about the act of even asking for
work to be done. I think it's proper | 0:28:42 | 0:28:46 | |
to ask questions and think
laterally. I did think it would have | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
taken long to come up with the
answer that that wasn't a proper way | 0:28:50 | 0:28:54 | |
to use taxpayers money. Jon
Trickett, your take on that? She's | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
had a series of meetings kept secret
from the Prime Minister, not told | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
the full picture of when she's met
the Prime Minister, and then she's | 0:29:02 | 0:29:08 | |
asked the Department to effectively
explore giving money, our money, to | 0:29:08 | 0:29:13 | |
the Israeli army. It's
extraordinary. The Prime Minister | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
found out about it by listening to
the radio. Come off it, this is an | 0:29:17 | 0:29:23 | |
outrageous set of actions. It's very
disturbing to the Middle East peace | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
process to even think that the
British government might do that. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:31 | |
It's why, frankly, you have to have
civil servants with you when you're | 0:29:31 | 0:29:35 | |
a senior minister meeting members of
the country's governments. She has | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
to go. Thank you. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:46 | |
Your reaction is welcome. You can
send us an e-mail or message us on | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
twitter. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
Still to come: | 0:29:53 | 0:29:54 | |
The secret ceremonies and rituals
of Female Freemasons - | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
we get unique access. | 0:29:56 | 0:30:01 | |
It is fascinating. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:06 | |
And yet more revelations
from the leaked Paradise Papers | 0:30:06 | 0:30:08 | |
which show the tax arrangements
of the rich and powerful - | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
this time the spotlight
is on Prince Charles. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
Time for the latest
news, here's Annita. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
The International Development
Secretary, Priti Patel, | 0:30:18 | 0:30:19 | |
is flying back to Britain
from Africa at the request | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
of Theresa May amid growing
speculation about her future | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
in the government. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:28 | |
She had already been forced
to apologise for a series | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
of unauthorised meetings
while on a family holiday in Israel. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
It has now emerged she had further
talks which she failed to disclose | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
to the Prime Minister. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:42 | |
Donald Trump has arrived in Beijing
as he continues his tour of Asia. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
The American President took a tour
of the Forbidden City | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
in the capital, alongside his
Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
Mr Trump is expected to ask China
to cut its financial | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
links with North Korea. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
Speaking in South Korea earlier,
Mr Trump urged all countries to join | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
forces to isolate Pyongyang,
saying the world could not tolerate | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
a rogue nation that threatened
nuclear devastation. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:09 | |
The head of NHS England will warn
today that the public wants to see | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
promises on NHS funding,
made during the EU | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
referendum campaign,
honoured by the government. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
Simon Stevens will tell a health
conference that trust | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
in the democratic process will be
weakened, if higher | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
funding is not delivered. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:32 | |
The Prince of Wales has been
criticised for failing to disclose | 0:31:32 | 0:31:34 | |
an investment by his private estate
in an off-shore company. The | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
revelations come in a number of
leaked documents known as the | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
Paradise Papers. It is the second
time this week a member of the Royal | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
Family has been named.
Sky said it will consider closing | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
Sky News if it becomes a stumbling
block in its proposed merger with | 0:31:50 | 0:31:58 | |
21st Century Fox.
Thousands of people with the most | 0:31:58 | 0:32:09 | |
advanced cancers in England are
surviving longer after diagnosis. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:15 | |
Macmillan cancer said it was due to
the success of new treatments, but | 0:32:15 | 0:32:19 | |
it warned that living longer with
advanced cancers brings its own | 0:32:19 | 0:32:24 | |
difficulties. And that's a summary
of the latest BBC News. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
If you want to find out more about
people living with advanced cancer, | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
there is more on our website. It is
really, really interesting. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:36 | |
Here's some sport now
with Katherine Downes. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:46 | |
It has been a busy 24
hours for Andy Murray - | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
welcoming his second
daughter with his wife Kim - | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
and making a return to court to play
an exhibition match | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
against Roger Federer -
its the first time he's played | 0:33:00 | 0:33:02 | |
in public since Wimbledon in July. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
The UK Anti-Doping Agency say
they're worried an ongoing case | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
against Tyson Fury -
he tested positive for a banned | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
steroid last June -
and UKAD say if he sues them | 0:33:09 | 0:33:11 | |
for loss of earnings,
they will be bankrupt. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
They're believed to have
asked the Government | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
to underwrite the case. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:16 | |
England's women are gearing up
for their must-win Ashes Test | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
which starts tomorrow -
while Mark Stoneman and Joe Root | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
have both scored half centuries
in one of the men's two warm up | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
matches before their series starts
at the end of the month. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
I will will have more at 10am. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
When many of us think of freemasons
we think of secret handshakes | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
and rolled-up trouser legs. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:40 | |
In a UK first this programme has
been given access to see exactly | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
what goes on behind the scenes
in the initiations, | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
ceremonies and rituals. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:46 | |
But not with the male freemasons
you might be familiar with, | 0:33:46 | 0:33:51 | |
we've had exclusive access to two
female fraternities. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
Claire Jones has this
exclusive report. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:57 | |
They are one of the most secretive
organisations in the world. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:03 | |
There are certain secrets
that you have to earn. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:12 | |
PIANO MUSIC. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
Famous for unexplained rituals. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
Where were you first
prepared to be a Freemason? | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
In my heart. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:21 | |
Describe the mode
of your preparation. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
My right arm, left breast... | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
There has been this notion
that we somehow use | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
goats in our rituals,
because we are somehow Satanic. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:34 | |
And they face regular
accusations of corruption. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
There are people who are
genuinely afraid to declare | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
that they are Freemasons. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
There are no more corrupt
than anybody else. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:48 | |
They are no more corrupt
than anybody else. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
Whenever anything bad happens,
there are a whole horde of people | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
who are digging to see
whether freemasonry was involved. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
All the men in my
family are Freemasons. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
I'm the only girl
to go into masonry. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
If a man can go in, so can I. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
For the first time, we've been
given access inside this | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
highly secretive society,
to find out the truth | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
behind the intrigue. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:14 | |
We have nothing to
hide that's sinister. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
We aren't trying to take over
the world come despite all these | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
conspiracy theorists. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:21 | |
THEY SING. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:28 | |
The Freemasons are a secretive
society that practice | 0:35:30 | 0:35:34 | |
rituals in a temple
and promote brotherly love. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:38 | |
Although they've always been
associated with men, | 0:35:38 | 0:35:44 | |
we've gained access to the two
female Freemason groups in the UK, | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
the Order of Women Freemasons
and the Honourable Fraternity | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
of Ancient Freemasons. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
This looks like any other leafy
street in central London, | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
but this is the international
headquarters of one of the most | 0:35:55 | 0:35:57 | |
secretive and mysterious
organisations in the world. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
For the first time,
they are exclusively | 0:36:00 | 0:36:01 | |
opening their doors to us. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:07 | |
ORGAN MUSIC. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
This is the Order
of Women Freemasons. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
There's a meeting today
for the quarterly communication | 0:36:14 | 0:36:18 | |
of Grand Lodge, where only members
of a certain rank can attend. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:23 | |
The most Worshipable Grandmaster,
Christine Chapman. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:30 | |
This is the second group we have
been given access to, | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
The Honourable Fraternity of Ancient
Freemasons. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:37 | |
Right Worshipful Assistant
Grandmaster, whom do you represent? | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
Prince of Architects,
Most Worshipful Grandmaster. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:42 | |
And your duty? | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
To lay plans, draw designs,
and assist the Most Worshipful | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
the Grandmaster in the execution
of her work. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:53 | |
Christine Chapman, a former
book-keeper, is hoping to be | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
re-elected to the top job
of Grandmaster for | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
another four years. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
The Grandmaster has to lead
and guide the fraternity, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
and she has to provide direction. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:08 | |
She is the person with whom the buck
stops if there's any problems. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
She takes ultimate responsibility
for everything, and she is | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
the head of the fraternity. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:19 | |
The Female Freemasons
were formed in 1908. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:24 | |
Their male counterparts have been
meeting for at least 300 years. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
Their practices involve
secret handshakes, rolling | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
up their trouser legs,
wearing blindfolds, and even | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
nooses around their necks. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
They are currently headed up
by the Queen's cousin, | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
the Duke of Kent. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
But Freemasons have been
accused of favouritism, | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
helping each other rise up
the career ladder and covering up | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
each other's mistakes. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:51 | |
A Home Affairs committee
have already called | 0:37:51 | 0:37:52 | |
for greater openness... | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
In 1997, there were calls from
former Home Secretary Jack Straw | 0:37:54 | 0:37:56 | |
for officers and judges to make
voluntary disclosures | 0:37:56 | 0:37:58 | |
about their membership. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:06 | |
By 2009, he scrapped the role
after the Masons threatened to take | 0:38:06 | 0:38:08 | |
the Government to court. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:09 | |
There are people who are
genuinely afraid to declare | 0:38:09 | 0:38:13 | |
that they are Freemasons
because of the public perception | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
that that somehow means
they are a corrupt individual | 0:38:16 | 0:38:18 | |
or they are somebody
who is a little bit dodgy | 0:38:18 | 0:38:24 | |
and that's categorically
not the case. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:25 | |
I would say quite
the opposite is true. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
Over the years, sort of there has
been a negative reputation that has | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
been around Freemasonry,
especially around male | 0:38:31 | 0:38:35 | |
Freemasons around corruption
and favours going on, | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
you scratch my back
and I'll scratch yours. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:39 | |
What would you say to that? | 0:38:39 | 0:38:40 | |
Does that still happen? | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
I would say that you are
categorically not allowed | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
to use your member of Freemasonry
for either personal | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
or financial advantage. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:50 | |
It's very much frowned by us,
it's something we do not tolerate | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
at all within our organisation. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:58 | |
I've been a Freemason for over 40
years and nobody's ever offered me | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
a favour and I've never offered
anybody else a favour. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
You hear the stories, certainly. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
I've never come across it
in Freemasonry at all. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:16 | |
We've had the odd person that we've
had to ask leave us. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:20 | |
Since I've been Grand Master, only
one person, where their behaviour | 0:39:20 | 0:39:22 | |
was not suitable for a Freemason. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
So what did they do
for their behaviour not to be... | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
They were convicted
in court of a criminal act. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
Many people associate
Freemasonry with mystery. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:32 | |
Why do you think that is? | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
If it were written out
and publicised for everybody | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
to read, there would be no point
in anybody joining it | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
because there would be nothing
special left for them to discover. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:47 | |
You say it's to ensure
that it feels special | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
but people could see that
as there being something to hide. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 | |
No, that is the problem. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:57 | |
But we have nothing
to hide that is sinister. | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
We are not trying to take over
the world, despite all these | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
conspiracy theories on the Internet. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:03 | |
We are not trying to
overthrow the Government | 0:40:03 | 0:40:05 | |
or anything like that. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
Do you think if it comes down to it
that it might be better to remove | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
that element of surprise? | 0:40:12 | 0:40:13 | |
No, I don't think so. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
Even if it might mean a bad
reputation for Freemasonry. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:25 | |
We need to preserve an element
of secrecy for that reason only | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
because that's what's
made it special. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:29 | |
Has Freemasonry helped your career? | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
No, I worked in an accounts
department with lots | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
of bookkeepers and so on. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:34 | |
So no, no chance. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
The police in particular have been
heavily linked to Freemasonry. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:42 | |
Is there any truth in police
officers who are Freemasons helping | 0:40:42 | 0:40:44 | |
people get away with crimes? | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
Not that I've ever seen. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:51 | |
We don't have many police officers
in the order of women Freemasons. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
We do have some, I know,
but I've not seen anybody | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
being helped in that way,
so I can only speak | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
from a own experience. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:07 | |
Have you heard of Freemasons
doing favours for others? | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
Yes, I have, in the old days. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
Many, many years ago
but that was mainly in the men | 0:41:12 | 0:41:14 | |
and they were rooted out as corrupt. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:16 | |
What sort of favours would they be? | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
Oh, you would get policemen
who were Freemasons doing | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
favours for other members. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:27 | |
Because there is obviously this view
that if you scratch my back, | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
I'll scratch yours. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:31 | |
No, it's not allowed. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:32 | |
It really, really isn't. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:33 | |
It is forbidden in our rituals. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
You mustn't do that. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
Have you ever heard
of that happening here? | 0:41:38 | 0:41:40 | |
Not in women's Freemasonry, no. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:45 | |
Female Freemasonry began in 1908. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:55 | |
Possessing and working
the same secrets, mysteries | 0:41:55 | 0:41:56 | |
and degrees and rituals. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:03 | |
But the society separated, creating
the two groups that exist today. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:08 | |
We broke away from the main group
in 1913 because of a difference | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
of opinion and we have stayed
separate ever since. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
Although we are now on much
more friendly terms, | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
in the old days they didn't even
speak to each other. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:26 | |
With an ageing membership, the women
are turning to universities | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
to bring in younger members. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:30 | |
I can't believe I'm doing
this, I can't believe | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
the day has finally come. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
It's surreal. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:40 | |
After joining the Freemasons
seven years ago, today optician | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
Roshni Patel will have a ceremony
to mark her reaching | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
the rank of a master mason. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:52 | |
I actually don't know what happens. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:54 | |
I don't know what will happen. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
I know the beginning
of the ceremony, obviously | 0:42:57 | 0:43:03 | |
the end of the ceremony,
but as to me being put | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
in the chair, I don't know. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:07 | |
That's a secret, that's a mystery. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:17 | |
Despite opening the doors
to allow our cameras, they are not | 0:43:19 | 0:43:21 | |
letting us film everything. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
The Order of Women Freemasons have
not allowed us to film | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
inside Roshni's
ceremony in the temple. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
This is our grand temple. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:29 | |
Tonight, where there's
obviously a ceremony that's | 0:43:29 | 0:43:34 | |
going on that we can't get access
to, tell us why you would | 0:43:34 | 0:43:38 | |
want us to see it? | 0:43:38 | 0:43:40 | |
Because you haven't earned it. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:41 | |
Roshni has learned pieces of ritual,
she has worked hard. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
She must have been working for five
or six years to achieve | 0:43:44 | 0:43:49 | |
the installation into this chair
and her reward for that is to be | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
given a beautiful ceremony. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:55 | |
So she will be sitting in this chair
down here at the moment before | 0:43:55 | 0:43:58 | |
she gets to progress up
into that chair. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:01 | |
What does one need to do
to prove themselves? | 0:44:01 | 0:44:04 | |
Each degree is like a little play
and it's all learned | 0:44:04 | 0:44:08 | |
by heart and recited,
so you have to learn your part | 0:44:08 | 0:44:12 | |
in it and do it well,
come to every meeting, | 0:44:12 | 0:44:15 | |
be there and be part
of the team and do your part | 0:44:15 | 0:44:22 | |
and if you are good then you get
moved onto the next step up. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:25 | |
In the lodge that's meeting tonight,
they will have a first degree, | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
a second degree and a third degree
and a ceremony of installation, | 0:44:28 | 0:44:31 | |
so that's four rituals. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:40 | |
And then you can go on to other
degrees, 33 in all, | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
if you keep going to the very top. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:45 | |
At the Honourable Fraternity
of Ancient Freemasons, | 0:44:45 | 0:44:47 | |
DeLaza is about to pass on to
another ranking society | 0:44:47 | 0:44:51 | |
called the second degree. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:53 | |
I'm feeling very happy,
I'm feeling confident. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
I am excited, I am not nervous. | 0:44:56 | 0:44:59 | |
I am happy. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:04 | |
You will be hearing the questions
and answers shortly. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
Now, that I would say
is the most secret thing that | 0:45:07 | 0:45:09 | |
happens in our fraternity. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:10 | |
Brethren... | 0:45:10 | 0:45:12 | |
But we are not allowed
to see everything. | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
We have got strict instructions
on what we can and can't film. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:23 | |
DeLaza is being asked
a series of questions. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:25 | |
Each answer provides an insight
into this secret organisation. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:31 | |
Where were you first
prepared to be a Freemason? | 0:45:31 | 0:45:40 | |
In my heart. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:41 | |
And where next? | 0:45:41 | 0:45:45 | |
A journey in the lodge. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:46 | |
Describe the method
of your preparation. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:56 | |
Is that what happens
in the initiation? | 0:45:58 | 0:46:06 | |
Yes, it's a symbolic way of getting
someone ready for a degree and it | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
all has different meanings,
what it represents. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:10 | |
How do you demonstrate proof
of your being a Freemason to others? | 0:46:13 | 0:46:19 | |
By sign, talking. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:22 | |
What would a sign be? | 0:46:22 | 0:46:23 | |
I took that to be maybe a handshake? | 0:46:23 | 0:46:25 | |
No, it's a particular type
of sign which demonstrates | 0:46:25 | 0:46:27 | |
you are one of those degrees
which are described. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:29 | |
And the token is this special
handshake which you would give | 0:46:29 | 0:46:32 | |
to demonstrate that you have
reached that degree. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:34 | |
So do you use secret handshakes? | 0:46:34 | 0:46:36 | |
Yes, absolutely, of course we do. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:39 | |
Can you do it now? | 0:46:39 | 0:46:40 | |
No, it's a secret. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:42 | |
What happens, and
when would you do it? | 0:46:42 | 0:46:46 | |
You would have to join to find out
and then I tell you what about it. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:50 | |
When would you use it? | 0:46:50 | 0:46:55 | |
Within the ceremonies there
are certain methods, yeah, grips. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:57 | |
Yes, they are called grips. | 0:46:57 | 0:46:59 | |
But I wouldn't use it outside
a lodge room, never. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:02 | |
Why not? | 0:47:02 | 0:47:03 | |
It's just not necessary. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:04 | |
This shaking hands,
it's just nonsense. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
It's silly. | 0:47:07 | 0:47:11 | |
At the Order of Women's Freemasons,
it's a big moment for Roshni as one | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
of their youngest members. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:15 | |
We've had the ceremony,
it's almost over, and Roshni | 0:47:15 | 0:47:17 | |
is about to appear as a master
of the lodge. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:25 | |
Congratulations. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:35 | |
Thank you, thank you. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:37 | |
It was a lovely ceremony. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:38 | |
Well done. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:39 | |
I don't know how I feel. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:40 | |
I think I'm in shock. | 0:47:40 | 0:47:42 | |
I think it's a bit
of denial going on. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:46 | |
Thank you. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:47 | |
The whole process of me being put
into the chair, that was, | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
that was very emotional. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:52 | |
Especially by all my lodge
members, who I really | 0:47:52 | 0:47:54 | |
care about, so, yeah. | 0:47:54 | 0:48:00 | |
At the Honourable Fraternity
of Ancient Freemasons, | 0:48:00 | 0:48:01 | |
there's a problem with the vote. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:04 | |
If somebody had decided
to photocopy it, then it's void. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:10 | |
After fears some of the votes had
been spoiled, they've now been | 0:48:10 | 0:48:13 | |
recounted and the new Grand
is about be announced. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:19 | |
Most worshipful Grand Master, I am
pleased to announce that Eunace, | 0:48:19 | 0:48:27 | |
most worshipful Grand Master,
has been elected as Grand Master. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:32 | |
The result was close
but I eventually came | 0:48:32 | 0:48:34 | |
through and I am now going to be
the next Grand Master, in other | 0:48:34 | 0:48:37 | |
words I'm continuing as Grand Master
for another four years. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:45 | |
Although we were given exclusive
access, we still only gained | 0:48:45 | 0:48:48 | |
a glimpse of the workings
of this secret society. | 0:48:48 | 0:48:50 | |
There was a lot that
was off-limits to us. | 0:48:50 | 0:48:52 | |
Both groups of female Freemasons
dismissed all allegations | 0:48:52 | 0:48:54 | |
of corruption but to shake this
negative reputation and gain more | 0:48:54 | 0:48:57 | |
members, they may need to be more
transparent in future. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:07 | |
If you want to read more, go to the
website where there is more | 0:49:13 | 0:49:18 | |
information there. Is it for you?
Would you like to join? Let me know. | 0:49:18 | 0:49:22 | |
Still to come. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
It has been one year since
Donald Trump was elected President | 0:49:25 | 0:49:27 | |
of the United States. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:28 | |
He's currently in China to discuss
North Korea amongst other things. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:31 | |
Polls suggest he has the lowest
approval rating of any | 0:49:31 | 0:49:34 | |
president in over 70 years,
we'll reflect on his year so far. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:38 | |
We'll be talking to some Trump
supporters to see if they are | 0:49:38 | 0:49:44 | |
pleased with what he's achieved in
the last 12 months. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:48 | |
There are more revelations
from the Paradise Papers - | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
a huge batch of leaked documents
detailing the financial arrangements | 0:49:51 | 0:49:53 | |
of some of world's richest people. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:54 | |
BBC Panorama has revealed that
Prince Charles campaigned to alter | 0:49:54 | 0:49:57 | |
climate-change agreements
without disclosing that his private | 0:49:57 | 0:49:59 | |
estate had a financial interest
in what he was promoting. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:01 | |
The papers show that in 2007
the Duchy of Cornwall secretly | 0:50:01 | 0:50:04 | |
bought shares worth around $113,000
in a Bermuda company that | 0:50:04 | 0:50:06 | |
would benefit from a rule change. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:15 | |
The prince's good friend
was a director of that company | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
Sustainable Forestry Management
Limited. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:22 | |
The Duchy of Cornwall says
Prince Charles has no direct | 0:50:22 | 0:50:24 | |
involvement in its investments. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:30 | |
Let's talk now to David McClure. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:32 | |
He wrote a book about royal finances
- he's previously reported | 0:50:32 | 0:50:34 | |
on Prince Charles' political
activities and potential | 0:50:34 | 0:50:36 | |
conflicts of interests. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:37 | |
Dame Margaret Hodge MP,
who last night made a speech | 0:50:37 | 0:50:39 | |
in Parliament calling for action
from the government | 0:50:39 | 0:50:41 | |
on tax avoidance. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:49 | |
And Sir Alistair Graham, the former
chairman and the committee for | 0:50:49 | 0:50:52 | |
standards in Public life. That
defence from Clarence how's that | 0:50:52 | 0:50:57 | |
Prince Charles has no direct
involvement in investments, do you | 0:50:57 | 0:51:01 | |
buy it? The governance of the Duchy
of Cornwall is that the Prince does | 0:51:01 | 0:51:07 | |
have hands on involvement in it. But
what does that mean? Maybe he didn't | 0:51:07 | 0:51:15 | |
have direct involvement in the
choice of investments, but he set | 0:51:15 | 0:51:19 | |
the overall pattern. The pattern of
the journey, really. Is it | 0:51:19 | 0:51:26 | |
interesting to you that one of
Prince Charles' closest friends who | 0:51:26 | 0:51:30 | |
runs this company suddenly gets
$100,000 investment from the Duchy | 0:51:30 | 0:51:36 | |
of Cornwall and then sends him
papers about carbon trading | 0:51:36 | 0:51:41 | |
arrangements? Yes, it is interesting
in that Prince Charles didn't make | 0:51:41 | 0:51:49 | |
any public speeches about amending
the protocol of another climate | 0:51:49 | 0:51:57 | |
change agreement until after the
investment had been made, prompted | 0:51:57 | 0:52:01 | |
on the recommendation of his close
friend. Does that damage him? Does | 0:52:01 | 0:52:07 | |
it damage the Queen? It raises a
question about the link between | 0:52:07 | 0:52:15 | |
investment and the activities. My
concern is, if a member of the Royal | 0:52:15 | 0:52:20 | |
family wishes to lobby for change in
public policy, then I think they | 0:52:20 | 0:52:25 | |
should apply the rules that apply to
all other public officials, that | 0:52:25 | 0:52:29 | |
they have to declare any financial
interest in the area that they are | 0:52:29 | 0:52:33 | |
seeking to achieve a change.
Margaret Hodge, what do you think? I | 0:52:33 | 0:52:38 | |
don't think Prince Charles
deliberately set out to do anything | 0:52:38 | 0:52:41 | |
wrong. Is it a coincidence that his
close friend gets this investment? | 0:52:41 | 0:52:46 | |
What we should do to put things
right... I will ask you that but do | 0:52:46 | 0:52:52 | |
you think it is a coincidence or is
there something more to it? We don't | 0:52:52 | 0:52:56 | |
know but if we had greater
transparency about the affairs of | 0:52:56 | 0:53:00 | |
the Duchy of Cornwall, which we ask
for when we looked at these affairs | 0:53:00 | 0:53:04 | |
when I chaired the Public Accounts
Committee, so we knew exactly where | 0:53:04 | 0:53:08 | |
the investments went, if we had
clarity but the Prince actually | 0:53:08 | 0:53:12 | |
didn't get involved, he stayed away
from any decision around those | 0:53:12 | 0:53:16 | |
investments, and if Treasury did the
job they are supposed to do which is | 0:53:16 | 0:53:19 | |
to monitor what happens in the Duchy
of Cornwall, to defend the public | 0:53:19 | 0:53:25 | |
interest, then I don't think we
would have this embarrassing | 0:53:25 | 0:53:28 | |
conversation today on the
television, which I think brings | 0:53:28 | 0:53:34 | |
questions over a valued and highly
respected and much loved | 0:53:34 | 0:53:38 | |
institution. If Margaret gave a
speech in Parliament about a certain | 0:53:38 | 0:53:43 | |
subject in which she shared a
financial interest, she would have | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
to declare an interest. When Prince
Charles makes a variety of speech is | 0:53:46 | 0:53:51 | |
an ecological issues while at the
same time he has had a shareholding | 0:53:51 | 0:53:56 | |
in companies, we know nothing about
it. Maybe it is totally innocuous | 0:53:56 | 0:54:00 | |
what has happened but it would be
far better if he registered all his | 0:54:00 | 0:54:05 | |
interests. What is he hiding? Either
there is a conflict of interest or | 0:54:05 | 0:54:10 | |
he was careless? He shouldn't really
get involved in decisions around | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
where his investments are. Both in
relation to this and in relation to | 0:54:13 | 0:54:21 | |
the story about the Queen, I think
the fact advisers felt they could | 0:54:21 | 0:54:26 | |
invest money in offshore tax havens
where there are questions about why | 0:54:26 | 0:54:33 | |
are you hiding your money and are
you avoiding tax, and perhaps also | 0:54:33 | 0:54:38 | |
in questionable companies,
demonstrates the extent to which the | 0:54:38 | 0:54:43 | |
whole way in which very rich people,
very big corporations, very powerful | 0:54:43 | 0:54:49 | |
institutions, feel that they can use
tax havens and that there should be | 0:54:49 | 0:54:53 | |
no question about it. That's really
scary. It's really ingrained in the | 0:54:53 | 0:54:58 | |
establishment of our society. You
said that last night to Parliament. | 0:54:58 | 0:55:02 | |
He said it's the establishment norm
now for the rich and powerful. I | 0:55:02 | 0:55:06 | |
have to ask you, is that not what
your family did in the tax haven of | 0:55:06 | 0:55:11 | |
dine? Quite rightly you ask me the
question but that was my father. It | 0:55:11 | 0:55:19 | |
was when he came out of Germany and
escaped... Well, he was a German | 0:55:19 | 0:55:25 | |
refugee. I think it was wrong and
the moment we discovered it, we | 0:55:25 | 0:55:29 | |
stopped it. But that... I can't be
held responsible for my father 's | 0:55:29 | 0:55:36 | |
actions which I would not have done.
That is absolutely fair but you want | 0:55:36 | 0:55:41 | |
transparency. When you've benefited
from the foundation based in that | 0:55:41 | 0:55:45 | |
tax haven, should you not have been
transparent and told people about | 0:55:45 | 0:55:49 | |
how much was there? The moment we
uncovered it we closed it down... | 0:55:49 | 0:55:55 | |
When you are challenged you were
transparent. I was, yes. But you | 0:55:55 | 0:56:00 | |
hadn't been before that. I've always
been completely transparent about | 0:56:00 | 0:56:04 | |
all my affairs. You want a public
register of beneficial ownership. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:10 | |
What with that achieve? Explain why
that would deter tax evasion, tax | 0:56:10 | 0:56:15 | |
avoidance etc. It's not a silver
bullet but it's one of a number of | 0:56:15 | 0:56:19 | |
actions I think we could take
immediately, which would deal with a | 0:56:19 | 0:56:23 | |
lot of the way in which people hide
their world, avoid tax and do worse | 0:56:23 | 0:56:27 | |
things than that. Launder money,
engage in crime and in bribery and | 0:56:27 | 0:56:33 | |
things like that. At the moment, a
lot of British Overseas Territories | 0:56:33 | 0:56:39 | |
and Crown dependencies, many of them
are tax havens. If we could open up | 0:56:39 | 0:56:45 | |
and have public registers of who
owns what where, you would | 0:56:45 | 0:56:48 | |
immediately at a stroke stop a lot
of the attempts that people have | 0:56:48 | 0:56:55 | |
tied their money and to avoid tax. I
would do that together with other | 0:56:55 | 0:56:58 | |
actions. I would toughen up our
regulatory authorities, so they | 0:56:58 | 0:57:08 | |
really go after people. Opening all
of this up to public account, that | 0:57:08 | 0:57:19 | |
immediately stops bad behaviour, it
stops people doing things wrong. | 0:57:19 | 0:57:23 | |
Another thing, there are many more
eyes looking at what's happening. At | 0:57:23 | 0:57:27 | |
the moment, where there are secret
registers of ownership, its only if | 0:57:27 | 0:57:32 | |
you are alerted to something that
you might start investigating it. We | 0:57:32 | 0:57:37 | |
have such poor resource think of
institutions like HMRC that very | 0:57:37 | 0:57:41 | |
often people get away with it. Do
you think that opening up would make | 0:57:41 | 0:57:48 | |
a difference, would change people's
behaviour? A lot of what we've seen | 0:57:48 | 0:57:53 | |
is not legal after all. Know but I
think increased transparency would | 0:57:53 | 0:58:00 | |
be a significant step forward. I
agree with the general approach of | 0:58:00 | 0:58:04 | |
Margaret Hodge on this matter. But
I'll sit think individuals have to | 0:58:04 | 0:58:11 | |
take responsibility for their own
standards in these matters. I still | 0:58:11 | 0:58:16 | |
think we expect members of the Royal
family to have the highest possible | 0:58:16 | 0:58:21 | |
standards, and I'm sure on most
occasions they do. It's unfortunate | 0:58:21 | 0:58:26 | |
that on this particular occasion
when there was a change of public | 0:58:26 | 0:58:30 | |
policy being sought, which would
have benefited this particular | 0:58:30 | 0:58:37 | |
investment offshore, then we should
expect any member of the Royal | 0:58:37 | 0:58:47 | |
family to declare their interest.
And if they don't know about their | 0:58:47 | 0:58:50 | |
interests, that they checked before
they made public statements. When it | 0:58:50 | 0:58:54 | |
comes to Caribbean tax havens, maybe
some light is the best disinfectant. | 0:58:54 | 0:58:59 | |
Thank you. -- sunlight. | 0:58:59 | 0:59:02 | |
Let's get the latest weather update. | 0:59:02 | 0:59:04 | |
Let's get the latest weather update. | 0:59:04 | 0:59:05 | |
Good morning. It's been a cold start
to the day. It is still cold, we've | 0:59:05 | 0:59:12 | |
got freezing fog around Manchester
Airport for example. That is | 0:59:12 | 0:59:15 | |
dragging its heels in terms of
clearance and we've got thicker | 0:59:15 | 0:59:19 | |
cloud and patchy rain across East
Anglia and the south-east. That will | 0:59:19 | 0:59:22 | |
be eroded from the West during the
day. Many of us having a dry day | 0:59:22 | 0:59:27 | |
with sunny spells. Wet and windy
conditions coming in across the | 0:59:27 | 0:59:31 | |
north-west. The strongest winds
across the far north of Scotland and | 0:59:31 | 0:59:34 | |
the Northern Isles. Through the
evening and overnight, the band of | 0:59:34 | 0:59:38 | |
rain pushing south, turning lighter
in nature as it does so. We'll see | 0:59:38 | 0:59:45 | |
some frost in the Glens of Scotland
and it will be called to start the | 0:59:45 | 0:59:48 | |
day tomorrow in the far south-east.
Then the weather front trundles | 0:59:48 | 0:59:52 | |
down, clearing the south-east,
leaving some residual cloud in its | 0:59:52 | 0:59:56 | |
wake. It will brighten up behind it
from the North with a fair bit of | 0:59:56 | 1:00:01 | |
sunshine. Showers across northern
Scotland and highs above average for | 1:00:01 | 1:00:04 | |
the time of year. | 1:00:04 | 1:00:15 | |
Hello, it's Wednesday, it's 10am,
I'm Victoria Derbyshire. | 1:00:18 | 1:00:20 | |
Can the International Development
Sec hang onto her job? | 1:00:20 | 1:00:22 | |
She's currently flying back
from a trip to Africa to face | 1:00:22 | 1:00:25 | |
the music after the BBC revealed
Priti Patel didn't tell | 1:00:25 | 1:00:27 | |
the Prime Minister Theresa May
about all the secret meetings she'd | 1:00:27 | 1:00:30 | |
had with Israeli politicians. | 1:00:30 | 1:00:31 | |
Some are calling
for her to step down. | 1:00:31 | 1:00:37 | |
It is extraordinary and the Prime
Minister found out about it by | 1:00:37 | 1:00:40 | |
listening to the radio. It is
disturbing to the Middle East Peace | 1:00:40 | 1:00:44 | |
Process to think that the British
Government might do that. She has to | 1:00:44 | 1:00:47 | |
go. | 1:00:47 | 1:00:51 | |
There are now more than 260,000
people who are officially | 1:00:51 | 1:00:55 | |
homeless in England -
that includes anyone on the streets | 1:00:55 | 1:00:58 | |
or in temporary accommodation. | 1:00:58 | 1:01:04 | |
If that's you, get in touch.
And let me know what led to your | 1:01:04 | 1:01:12 | |
homelessness and what help you are
getting to get somewhere permanent. | 1:01:12 | 1:01:18 | |
The secret ceremonies and rituals
of female Freemasons. | 1:01:18 | 1:01:20 | |
In a UK first, we get access
to their secret societies. | 1:01:20 | 1:01:23 | |
Do you use secret handshakes? | 1:01:23 | 1:01:24 | |
Yes, absolutely.
Of course we do! | 1:01:24 | 1:01:25 | |
Can you do it with me now? | 1:01:25 | 1:01:27 | |
No, it's a secret. | 1:01:27 | 1:01:28 | |
LAUGHS. | 1:01:28 | 1:01:29 | |
What happens, and
when would you do it? | 1:01:29 | 1:01:31 | |
It's a secret! | 1:01:31 | 1:01:39 | |
You'll have to join to find out! | 1:01:39 | 1:01:44 | |
We'll speak to three female
Freemasons live. | 1:01:51 | 1:01:59 | |
Good morning. | 1:01:59 | 1:02:01 | |
Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom
with a summary of today's news. | 1:02:01 | 1:02:03 | |
The International Development
Secretary, Priti Patel, | 1:02:03 | 1:02:05 | |
is flying back to Britain
from Africa at the request | 1:02:05 | 1:02:07 | |
of Theresa May amid growing
speculation about her future | 1:02:07 | 1:02:09 | |
in the government. | 1:02:09 | 1:02:10 | |
The International Development
Secretary, Priti Patel, | 1:02:10 | 1:02:12 | |
She had already been forced
to apologise for a series | 1:02:12 | 1:02:14 | |
of unauthorised meetings
while on a family holiday in Israel. | 1:02:14 | 1:02:17 | |
It's now emerged she had further
talks which she failed to disclose | 1:02:17 | 1:02:20 | |
to the Prime Minister. | 1:02:20 | 1:02:23 | |
Crispin Blunt said she should have
been more cautious when dealing with | 1:02:23 | 1:02:26 | |
Middle East policy. She has not
demonstrated that she has got a grip | 1:02:26 | 1:02:33 | |
on the conflict. When you get into
things like this where things are | 1:02:33 | 1:02:38 | |
delicate between the competing
parties you have to be careful. | 1:02:38 | 1:02:42 | |
Donald Trump has arrived in Beijing,
as he continues his tour of Asia. | 1:02:42 | 1:02:45 | |
The American President took a tour
of the Forbidden City | 1:02:45 | 1:02:47 | |
in the capital, alongside his
Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping. | 1:02:47 | 1:02:50 | |
Mr Trump is expected to ask China
to cut its financial | 1:02:50 | 1:02:52 | |
links with North Korea. | 1:02:52 | 1:02:54 | |
Speaking in South Korea earlier,
Mr Trump urged all countries to join | 1:02:54 | 1:02:57 | |
forces to isolate Pyongyang,
saying the world could not tolerate | 1:02:57 | 1:03:00 | |
a rogue nation that threatened
nuclear devastation. | 1:03:00 | 1:03:08 | |
The head of NHS England will warn
today that the public wants to see | 1:03:08 | 1:03:11 | |
promises on NHS funding,
made during the EU | 1:03:11 | 1:03:15 | |
referendum campaign,
honoured by the Government. | 1:03:15 | 1:03:17 | |
Simon Stevens will tell a health
conference that trust | 1:03:17 | 1:03:19 | |
in the democratic process will be
weakened, if higher | 1:03:19 | 1:03:21 | |
funding is not delivered. | 1:03:21 | 1:03:24 | |
The Prince of Wales has been
criticised for failing to disclose | 1:03:24 | 1:03:28 | |
an investment by his private estate
in an offshore company. | 1:03:28 | 1:03:30 | |
The revelations come from a number
of leaked documents about tax havens | 1:03:30 | 1:03:33 | |
known as the Paradise Papers. | 1:03:33 | 1:03:34 | |
It's the second time
this week that a member | 1:03:34 | 1:03:36 | |
of the Royal Family has been named. | 1:03:36 | 1:03:45 | |
At least nine school children have
been killed and more than twenty | 1:03:45 | 1:03:51 | |
others injured in an explosion
at a primary school | 1:03:51 | 1:03:53 | |
in north-west Tanzania. | 1:03:53 | 1:03:54 | |
Initial reports say the primary
school pupils died when an object | 1:03:54 | 1:03:57 | |
they were playing with exploded. | 1:03:57 | 1:03:59 | |
Thousands of people with the most
advanced cancers in England are now | 1:03:59 | 1:04:01 | |
surviving for several years
after diagnosis, | 1:04:01 | 1:04:03 | |
according to research. | 1:04:03 | 1:04:04 | |
MacMillan Cancer Support said this
was due to the success | 1:04:04 | 1:04:06 | |
of new treatments but it warned
living longer with advanced cancer | 1:04:06 | 1:04:09 | |
brings its own difficulties. | 1:04:09 | 1:04:19 | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC
News - more at 10.30am. | 1:04:19 | 1:04:24 | |
Thank you very much. A couple of
comments on Freemasons and some on | 1:04:24 | 1:04:28 | |
Priti Patel, the International
Development Secretary. Rob says, | 1:04:28 | 1:04:31 | |
"When I first started, when I
started my first job my boss told me | 1:04:31 | 1:04:35 | |
to join the Freemasons, but I never
did. Since then I have witnessed | 1:04:35 | 1:04:39 | |
many promotion and it is because of
membership of the Freemasons and | 1:04:39 | 1:04:43 | |
that is fact." Another viewer says,
"I know a guy caught drink-driving | 1:04:43 | 1:04:51 | |
three times, it is a Freemason. As
is the judge." The International | 1:04:51 | 1:04:59 | |
Development Secretary cannot be
trusted. It is disgusting she met | 1:04:59 | 1:05:02 | |
with the Israeli Prime Minister and
did not tell Theresa May. How do we | 1:05:02 | 1:05:06 | |
know what else she has done? Sack
her." Another viewer says, "Priti | 1:05:06 | 1:05:11 | |
Patel can't be a team player so she
should be booted out of office. I | 1:05:11 | 1:05:18 | |
wouldn't want her watching my back."
Thank you for those. | 1:05:18 | 1:05:22 | |
We will be talking to the vice
president of actors union Equity. It | 1:05:22 | 1:05:28 | |
is the first time they have done an
interview about the sex scandals. | 1:05:28 | 1:05:34 | |
Here's some sport now
with Katherine Downes. | 1:05:34 | 1:05:37 | |
It has been a big week
or so for Andy Murray, | 1:05:37 | 1:05:41 | |
welcoming a second daughter
with his wife Kim, | 1:05:41 | 1:05:44 | |
but it unclear when she was born. | 1:05:44 | 1:05:46 | |
And before that, making his return
to the court for the first | 1:05:46 | 1:05:49 | |
time since Wimbledon. | 1:05:49 | 1:05:50 | |
It wasn't exactly a serious
competition though. | 1:05:50 | 1:05:52 | |
He was playing an exhibition match
against Roger Federer | 1:05:52 | 1:05:54 | |
in Glasgow last night. | 1:05:54 | 1:05:56 | |
Federer even wore
a kilt for part of it. | 1:05:56 | 1:05:59 | |
He won
the deciding tie break 10-6. | 1:05:59 | 1:06:02 | |
Murray is hoping to back to full
fitness for the Australian Open | 1:06:02 | 1:06:05 | |
at the start of next year. | 1:06:05 | 1:06:12 | |
I am in a significantly better place
than I was in the build up to the US | 1:06:12 | 1:06:16 | |
Open. At the end of Wimbledon I was
really struggling. Walking was a big | 1:06:16 | 1:06:22 | |
problem for me. So, I am trying to
get myself back to 100%. | 1:06:22 | 1:06:29 | |
The UK Anti-Doping Agency say
they're worried about an ongoing | 1:06:29 | 1:06:33 | |
case against former heavyweight
champion Tyson Fury. | 1:06:33 | 1:06:40 | |
He tested positive for
a banned steroid last June | 1:06:40 | 1:06:42 | |
and UKAD say if wins his case,
and sues them for loss of earnings, | 1:06:42 | 1:06:45 | |
they will be bankrupt. | 1:06:45 | 1:06:47 | |
They're believed to have
asked the Government | 1:06:47 | 1:06:48 | |
to underwrite the case. | 1:06:48 | 1:06:49 | |
Fury is hoping to be back
in the ring next year | 1:06:49 | 1:06:52 | |
where he'll be set to rejoin
an exciting heavyweight division. | 1:06:52 | 1:06:54 | |
Anthony Joshua is the man
they all want to fight, | 1:06:54 | 1:06:57 | |
including American Wilder. | 1:06:57 | 1:06:58 | |
He holds the WBC heavyweight world
title, and told BBC 5 Live earlier, | 1:06:58 | 1:07:01 | |
he is desperate to face Joshua. | 1:07:01 | 1:07:05 | |
I want Anthony Joshua. I want him
ASAP. Not only will it be the | 1:07:05 | 1:07:12 | |
biggest fight in boxing history. I
will travel anywhere in the world to | 1:07:12 | 1:07:15 | |
fight. The UK is only the size of
Texas in my country. My country is a | 1:07:15 | 1:07:20 | |
huge country. The megaof boxing and
the money will always and forever be | 1:07:20 | 1:07:24 | |
in America. | 1:07:24 | 1:07:27 | |
England winger Jermaine McGillvary
has been cleared of biting Lebanon | 1:07:27 | 1:07:30 | |
captain Robbie Farah
during Saturday's World Cup | 1:07:30 | 1:07:31 | |
group game in Sydney. | 1:07:31 | 1:07:34 | |
The Huddersfield player was facing
a ban of up to 12 weeks had | 1:07:34 | 1:07:37 | |
he been found guilty,
but his exoneration means he will be | 1:07:37 | 1:07:39 | |
free to play in England's final
group match against France | 1:07:39 | 1:07:42 | |
in Perth on Sunday. | 1:07:42 | 1:07:44 | |
England's women are completing
their final day of preparation | 1:07:44 | 1:07:46 | |
before their must-win
Ashes Test in Sydney. | 1:07:46 | 1:07:51 | |
They're currently 4-2
down against Australia. | 1:07:51 | 1:07:57 | |
If they lose the test,
which starts tomorrow, | 1:07:57 | 1:07:59 | |
England cannot win the series. | 1:07:59 | 1:08:03 | |
They have got the Ashes. We want the
Ashes. It is a very different group | 1:08:03 | 1:08:07 | |
now. The squad that's out here, the
side that will play will be very | 1:08:07 | 1:08:11 | |
different to the side that played
then. So yeah, although there is | 1:08:11 | 1:08:17 | |
some scars, there is a lot of fresh
faces which balances it out in the | 1:08:17 | 1:08:20 | |
group. | 1:08:20 | 1:08:24 | |
Meanwhile
England's men have been | 1:08:24 | 1:08:25 | |
playing one of their two warm-up
games before their | 1:08:25 | 1:08:27 | |
Ashes Series starts. | 1:08:27 | 1:08:28 | |
Mark Stoneman and Joe Root have both
scored half centuries | 1:08:28 | 1:08:31 | |
against a Cricket Australia Eleven. | 1:08:31 | 1:08:34 | |
England are currently 253-5. | 1:08:34 | 1:08:37 | |
Thank you very much. | 1:08:37 | 1:08:40 | |
"Do not underestimate
us and do not try us", | 1:08:40 | 1:08:43 | |
the words of Donald Trump,
as he used some of his toughest | 1:08:43 | 1:08:46 | |
language yet against North Korea
in a wide-ranging speech in Seoul. | 1:08:46 | 1:08:48 | |
The US President is now visiting
the Forbidden City in Beijing | 1:08:48 | 1:08:51 | |
where he is expected to put pressure
on the regime to cut their financial | 1:08:51 | 1:08:54 | |
ties to North Korea. | 1:08:54 | 1:08:55 | |
Today marks one year since his shock
election in the United States. | 1:08:55 | 1:09:03 | |
It was a shock to some, not others. | 1:09:03 | 1:09:10 | |
Almost nobody predicted that he'd
see his way to the Oval Office | 1:09:10 | 1:09:13 | |
by firstly defeating a cluster
of republican rivals | 1:09:13 | 1:09:15 | |
and then Hillary Clinton. | 1:09:15 | 1:09:18 | |
I have just received a call from
secretary Clinton. | 1:09:18 | 1:09:27 | |
APPLAUSE
She congratulated us, it is about | 1:09:27 | 1:09:29 | |
us, on our victory and I
congratulated her and her family on | 1:09:29 | 1:09:34 | |
a very, very hard fought campaign.
We will embark upon a project of | 1:09:34 | 1:09:40 | |
national growth and we knewal. I
will harness the creative talents of | 1:09:40 | 1:09:44 | |
our people and we will call upon the
best and brightest to leverage their | 1:09:44 | 1:09:49 | |
tremendous talent for the benefit of
all. It's going to happen. We have a | 1:09:49 | 1:09:57 | |
great economic plan. We will double
our growth and have the strongest | 1:09:57 | 1:10:02 | |
economy anywhere in the world. At
the same time, get along with all | 1:10:02 | 1:10:08 | |
other nations, willing to get along
with us. We will be. We'll have | 1:10:08 | 1:10:13 | |
great relationships. We expect to
have great, great relationships. | 1:10:13 | 1:10:17 | |
Since then it's been a rocky
ride for the president, | 1:10:17 | 1:10:20 | |
but despite several controversies,
mostly resulting from commentary | 1:10:20 | 1:10:22 | |
issued under the twitter
handle @realdonaldtrump, | 1:10:22 | 1:10:26 | |
and historically low approval
ratings, the Republican base remains | 1:10:26 | 1:10:29 | |
fairly steadfast in support for him. | 1:10:29 | 1:10:34 | |
We can speak to the veteran
New York Times journalist | 1:10:34 | 1:10:44 | |
Steven Erlanger and Republican
commentator Anneke Green. | 1:10:55 | 1:10:58 | |
How do you assess his first year?
One of my family members make the | 1:10:58 | 1:11:04 | |
joke that he is his favourite
Republican Democrat. There is a lot | 1:11:04 | 1:11:10 | |
to assess. He has certainly
encouraged rather than tried to | 1:11:10 | 1:11:16 | |
overcome infighting in Congress and
many of his key campaign promise | 1:11:16 | 1:11:22 | |
like repealing Obamacare, famously
having come to pass despite three | 1:11:22 | 1:11:25 | |
runs at it, but so I think in some
senses he is really having to | 1:11:25 | 1:11:31 | |
stretch in terms of looking for
accomplishments, but the year isn't | 1:11:31 | 1:11:34 | |
over yet in terms of him being in
office. It has only been ten months. | 1:11:34 | 1:11:38 | |
Has he had any major legislative
accomplishments? Well, the | 1:11:38 | 1:11:46 | |
accomplishment that had to go
through Congress is a major | 1:11:46 | 1:11:51 | |
accomplishment in terms of really
how it came to pass. Just explain to | 1:11:51 | 1:11:56 | |
our British audience the
significance of that? The Supreme | 1:11:56 | 1:11:59 | |
Court is our third branch of
government. There are nine justices. | 1:11:59 | 1:12:03 | |
One of them passed away while Obama
was in office and he nominated a | 1:12:03 | 1:12:13 | |
replacement but the Republican
controlled Congress put off having | 1:12:13 | 1:12:16 | |
hearings. So close to a new
presidential election which at this | 1:12:16 | 1:12:19 | |
point in time the majority of people
thought Hillary Clinton would be the | 1:12:19 | 1:12:22 | |
nominee. They held off and that
meant that Donald Trump was able to | 1:12:22 | 1:12:30 | |
nominate the replacement justice
because of the Congress. Let me | 1:12:30 | 1:12:33 | |
fwling Stephen. Has the New York
Times been as unfair to Donald Trump | 1:12:33 | 1:12:37 | |
as he claims? Donald Trump has a
very intimate, perhaps near rottic | 1:12:37 | 1:12:42 | |
relationship with us. We are the
paper he grew up with. He grew up in | 1:12:42 | 1:12:48 | |
Queen's, he represents the Manhattan
he always aspired to. He wants our | 1:12:48 | 1:12:51 | |
love. Have we been unfair to him? I
don't think, but we make mistakes. | 1:12:51 | 1:12:59 | |
We probably had too much confidence
in the polls that indicated that | 1:12:59 | 1:13:03 | |
Trump was going to lose to Hillary
Clinton. I think there was | 1:13:03 | 1:13:07 | |
confirmation bias there. But of
course, Trump thought he was going | 1:13:07 | 1:13:10 | |
to lose. Vladimir Putin thought he
was going to lose and Hillary | 1:13:10 | 1:13:14 | |
Clinton thought that she was going
win. So this is part of the first | 1:13:14 | 1:13:18 | |
year. He is learning. It is not a
job, he really, expected to have. In | 1:13:18 | 1:13:25 | |
terms of what he says and then what
he does, is there a gap there? Well, | 1:13:25 | 1:13:30 | |
there is. I mean some people would
like to say there is, you know, | 1:13:30 | 1:13:34 | |
there is more bark than bite. When
you look at what he has actually | 1:13:34 | 1:13:39 | |
done, it hasn't been so terrible.
You could even argue that he has put | 1:13:39 | 1:13:44 | |
insufficient pressure on the Chinese
to actually squeeze North Korea | 1:13:44 | 1:13:47 | |
which is not a bad thing. We will
see happens. He gave a good speech | 1:13:47 | 1:13:53 | |
this morning in South Korea. He has
failed as your guest said on health | 1:13:53 | 1:13:58 | |
care. He has been at war with his
own party in Congress which doesn't | 1:13:58 | 1:14:02 | |
help. He lives on partisanship, not
on compromise. I mean he was elected | 1:14:02 | 1:14:11 | |
by fuelling anger of people and he
keeps trying to do that, but some of | 1:14:11 | 1:14:15 | |
that, to me is fake. He kind of uses
us, the mainstream media, other | 1:14:15 | 1:14:20 | |
people, as props in his play. And
the play is designed for his base. | 1:14:20 | 1:14:25 | |
At heart, it's hard to know him. I
knew him 30 years ago, but you | 1:14:25 | 1:14:29 | |
know... Knew him, knew him? Knew
him. I met him in New York and he | 1:14:29 | 1:14:36 | |
was more of a Democrat. I mean he
was not anti-abortion then and he | 1:14:36 | 1:14:43 | |
was just interested in being
well-known and loved in Manhattan. | 1:14:43 | 1:14:47 | |
So, there is some part of him that's
very hard to read, but has he, you | 1:14:47 | 1:14:53 | |
know, blown up Nato? No. He doesn't
like the European Union. He thinks | 1:14:53 | 1:14:57 | |
the Europeans are mad, but
generally, has decided if they like | 1:14:57 | 1:15:00 | |
it, that's fine with them. He
encourages Brexit. He saw that as | 1:15:00 | 1:15:05 | |
the harbinger of his own victory,
but will Britain get a great trade | 1:15:05 | 1:15:10 | |
deal out of Donald Trump? He is a
hard bargainer? Well, the mood music | 1:15:10 | 1:15:16 | |
is good. The mood music is great.
Let's see when we get to the | 1:15:16 | 1:15:19 | |
negotiation. What do you want to see
more from as a Republican, from | 1:15:19 | 1:15:23 | |
Donald Trump and what do you want to
see less of? I want to see less, | 1:15:23 | 1:15:29 | |
what I would call stupid fights. I
think the reason he became | 1:15:29 | 1:15:32 | |
president, the reason he became the
party nominee is I think Americans | 1:15:32 | 1:15:36 | |
on really both sides of the
political aisle are tired of | 1:15:36 | 1:15:39 | |
politician, they are tired of the
same old thing. We saw the rise of | 1:15:39 | 1:15:45 | |
Bernie Sanders related to that. They
wanted a fighter and Donald Trump | 1:15:45 | 1:15:48 | |
was that fighter to the point of
insulting people on stage which was | 1:15:48 | 1:15:54 | |
different, but he became president.
What I want to see more of is him | 1:15:54 | 1:15:59 | |
knowing when to walk away from a
fight. Pushing back against, if a | 1:15:59 | 1:16:04 | |
mother of a soldier, who has passed
away, says I didn't like that phone | 1:16:04 | 1:16:08 | |
call, he just needs to leave it
alone. But that has been his brand. | 1:16:08 | 1:16:13 | |
It has worked for him so far and I
don't anticipate he will change | 1:16:13 | 1:16:17 | |
that. What do you want to see more
of? Some of the great | 1:16:17 | 1:16:21 | |
accomplishments that are happening
on the executive side, that the | 1:16:21 | 1:16:25 | |
Conservatives have been looking for.
Out of the Environmental Protection | 1:16:25 | 1:16:28 | |
Agency, a practise known here as sue
and settle where it was | 1:16:28 | 1:16:33 | |
incentivising activists to sue and
then have their legal costs paid for | 1:16:33 | 1:16:38 | |
over nonsense lawsuits and be
reimbursed. It was taxpayer dollars | 1:16:38 | 1:16:45 | |
being wasted and that's been stopped
and I want more things like that. | 1:16:45 | 1:16:49 | |
And yourself, Stephen, what do you
quantity to see more of, what do you | 1:16:49 | 1:16:52 | |
want to see less of? | 1:16:52 | 1:16:58 | |
We could use a simplified tax
system. People like me who are | 1:16:58 | 1:17:02 | |
American but live and work abroad,
it would be nice if we didn't have | 1:17:02 | 1:17:07 | |
to pay quite so many taxes to a
country we don't live in. | 1:17:07 | 1:17:10 | |
to pay quite so many taxes to a
country we don't live in. He's the | 1:17:10 | 1:17:12 | |
most pro-business president since
Eisenhower. Look at the stock | 1:17:12 | 1:17:16 | |
market, things are going well. I
would like him to calm down and | 1:17:16 | 1:17:19 | |
trade. He's been obsessed with trade
for 30-40 years. He thinks everyone | 1:17:19 | 1:17:25 | |
is screwing the United States and
every trade deal is unfair. He's | 1:17:25 | 1:17:30 | |
already destroyed TTP with Asia
which I think is a big mistake and | 1:17:30 | 1:17:34 | |
helps China. He's fiddling with
Nafta. Maybe he can get a better | 1:17:34 | 1:17:39 | |
deal but the Canadians and Mexicans
aren't happy. And jobs are at stake | 1:17:39 | 1:17:43 | |
there. He's done a lot and
regulation which doesn't need | 1:17:43 | 1:17:48 | |
Congressional permission like the
EPA. Some of that will please | 1:17:48 | 1:17:52 | |
Republicans, some of it will make
Democrats unhappy, but this is | 1:17:52 | 1:17:56 | |
within his realm. I would like him
to learn better about how to be | 1:17:56 | 1:18:00 | |
president, and as your guest said,
stop having stupid fights. Thank you | 1:18:00 | 1:18:06 | |
very much. | 1:18:06 | 1:18:07 | |
Still to come: | 1:18:07 | 1:18:08 | |
The number of homeless people
in England has gone up in the last | 1:18:08 | 1:18:12 | |
year to more than 260,000
with 13,000 more people entering | 1:18:12 | 1:18:14 | |
this uncertain world
in the last year alone. | 1:18:14 | 1:18:16 | |
We'll be talking to
people going through it. | 1:18:16 | 1:18:24 | |
When you think of Freemasons
you might think of secret handshakes | 1:18:24 | 1:18:27 | |
or rolled-up trouser legs,
or you may be familiar | 1:18:27 | 1:18:29 | |
with the accusations of corruption. | 1:18:29 | 1:18:31 | |
But with membership on the decline
Freemasons heading to universities | 1:18:31 | 1:18:33 | |
to seek out new members. | 1:18:33 | 1:18:37 | |
In a UK first, this programme been
given access to two female Masonic | 1:18:37 | 1:18:40 | |
lodges to witness initiations,
secret ceremonies and never | 1:18:40 | 1:18:42 | |
before filmed rituals. | 1:18:42 | 1:18:48 | |
We'll speak to some other
Freemasons in a moment | 1:18:48 | 1:18:50 | |
but first here's an extract
from Claire Jones exclusive report. | 1:18:50 | 1:18:57 | |
This looks like any other leafy
street in central London, | 1:18:57 | 1:19:00 | |
but this is the international
headquarters of one of the most | 1:19:00 | 1:19:03 | |
secretive and mysterious
organisations in the world. | 1:19:03 | 1:19:09 | |
For the first time,
they are exclusively | 1:19:09 | 1:19:10 | |
opening their doors to us. | 1:19:10 | 1:19:12 | |
ORGAN MUSIC. | 1:19:12 | 1:19:19 | |
The Freemasons are a secretive
society that practice | 1:19:19 | 1:19:21 | |
rituals in a temple
and promote brotherly love. | 1:19:21 | 1:19:22 | |
Although they've always been
associated with men, | 1:19:22 | 1:19:24 | |
we've gained access to the two
female Freemason groups in the UK, | 1:19:24 | 1:19:28 | |
the Order of Women Freemasons
and the Honourable Fraternity | 1:19:28 | 1:19:31 | |
of Ancient Freemasons. | 1:19:31 | 1:19:38 | |
Dialazaza Nkela is about to pass
on to another rank in the society | 1:19:38 | 1:19:41 | |
called the Second Degree. | 1:19:41 | 1:19:43 | |
I'm feeling very happy. | 1:19:43 | 1:19:44 | |
I feel confident. | 1:19:44 | 1:19:45 | |
I am excited. | 1:19:45 | 1:19:47 | |
I'm not nervous, I'm happy. | 1:19:47 | 1:19:51 | |
Where were you first
prepared to be a Freemason? | 1:19:51 | 1:19:53 | |
In my heart. | 1:19:53 | 1:19:55 | |
And where next? | 1:19:55 | 1:19:56 | |
In a convenient room
adjourning the Lodge. | 1:19:56 | 1:19:59 | |
Describe the mode
of your preparation. | 1:19:59 | 1:20:01 | |
I have divested of all
monies and all valuables. | 1:20:01 | 1:20:05 | |
My right arm, left breast
and knee made bare. | 1:20:05 | 1:20:12 | |
My right heel slipshod, and a cable
tow running noose upon my neck. | 1:20:12 | 1:20:18 | |
In the past Freemasons have been
accused of favouritism, | 1:20:18 | 1:20:20 | |
helping members rise up the career
ladder and covering up mistakes. | 1:20:20 | 1:20:26 | |
Have you heard of Freemasons doing
favours for each other? | 1:20:26 | 1:20:28 | |
Yes, I have, in the old days. | 1:20:28 | 1:20:30 | |
Many, many, many years ago. | 1:20:30 | 1:20:32 | |
But that was mainly in the men
and they were rooted out as corrupt. | 1:20:32 | 1:20:37 | |
What sort of favours would they be? | 1:20:37 | 1:20:39 | |
Oh, you would get policemen
who were Freemasons doing | 1:20:39 | 1:20:41 | |
favours for other members. | 1:20:41 | 1:20:48 | |
Because there is obviously this view
that if you scratch my back, | 1:20:48 | 1:20:51 | |
I'll scratch yours. | 1:20:51 | 1:20:52 | |
No, it's not allowed. | 1:20:52 | 1:20:53 | |
It really isn't. | 1:20:53 | 1:20:54 | |
It's really, really forbidden. | 1:20:54 | 1:21:01 | |
With an ageing membership,
the societies are keen to bring | 1:21:01 | 1:21:04 | |
in younger women to secure
the future of Freemasonry. | 1:21:04 | 1:21:06 | |
I can't believe I'm doing
this, I can't believe | 1:21:06 | 1:21:08 | |
the day has finally come. | 1:21:08 | 1:21:09 | |
It's surreal. | 1:21:09 | 1:21:11 | |
After joining the Freemasons seven
years ago, today optician | 1:21:11 | 1:21:15 | |
Roshni Patel will have a ceremony
to mark her reaching | 1:21:15 | 1:21:17 | |
the rank of a master mason. | 1:21:17 | 1:21:20 | |
This is our grand temple. | 1:21:20 | 1:21:24 | |
Tonight, where there's
obviously a ceremony that's | 1:21:24 | 1:21:26 | |
going on but we can't get access to,
tell us why you wouldn't | 1:21:26 | 1:21:29 | |
want us to see it. | 1:21:29 | 1:21:30 | |
Because you haven't earned it. | 1:21:30 | 1:21:32 | |
Roshni has gone through all these
offices, all the way | 1:21:32 | 1:21:34 | |
through the chair. | 1:21:34 | 1:21:35 | |
She's learned pieces of ritual,
she has worked hard. | 1:21:35 | 1:21:38 | |
She must have been working for five
or six years to achieve | 1:21:38 | 1:21:41 | |
the installation into this chair. | 1:21:41 | 1:21:46 | |
We've heard the ceremony is almost
over, and Roshni is about to appear | 1:21:46 | 1:21:50 | |
as a master of the lodge. | 1:21:50 | 1:21:51 | |
Congratulations. | 1:21:51 | 1:21:52 | |
Thank you, thank you. | 1:21:52 | 1:21:54 | |
I don't know how I feel. | 1:21:54 | 1:21:56 | |
I think I'm in shock. | 1:21:56 | 1:21:57 | |
The whole process of me being put
into the chair, that was, | 1:21:57 | 1:22:00 | |
that was very emotional. | 1:22:00 | 1:22:05 | |
Especially by all my lodge members
who I really care about, so, yeah. | 1:22:05 | 1:22:10 | |
Although we were given exclusive
access, we still only gained | 1:22:10 | 1:22:12 | |
a glimpse of the workings
of this secret society. | 1:22:12 | 1:22:15 | |
There was a lot that
was off-limits to us. | 1:22:15 | 1:22:18 | |
Both groups of female Freemasons
dismissed all allegations | 1:22:18 | 1:22:21 | |
of corruption but to shake this
negative reputation and gain more | 1:22:21 | 1:22:24 | |
members, they may need to be more
transparent in future. | 1:22:24 | 1:22:34 | |
Let's talk now to three other
Freemasons from across Europe. | 1:22:34 | 1:22:40 | |
Christine Chapman is
a Grand Master, who you may have | 1:22:40 | 1:22:42 | |
seen in Claire's film. | 1:22:42 | 1:22:43 | |
Cecile Revauger is a professor
at the University of Bordeaux, | 1:22:43 | 1:22:45 | |
and has written extensively
on female masonry. | 1:22:45 | 1:22:50 | |
Dr Andreas Onnefors is an expert
in global Freemasonry | 1:22:50 | 1:22:52 | |
and is currently writing
a book about it. | 1:22:52 | 1:23:01 | |
He joined the Freemasons aged 25.
Thank you for coming on the | 1:23:01 | 1:23:05 | |
programme. Christine, so interesting
to see the film about you. However | 1:23:05 | 1:23:13 | |
fascinated I am, I am left wanting
to ask you what is the point? Well, | 1:23:13 | 1:23:20 | |
it is a point which if you join it
you would understand it. But a lot | 1:23:20 | 1:23:26 | |
of people do their research on the
internet and they actually want to | 1:23:26 | 1:23:30 | |
join us. We aim to make women better
people, with teaching of morals and | 1:23:30 | 1:23:36 | |
precepts. It is also a mutual self
development programme. It encourages | 1:23:36 | 1:23:43 | |
women to grow. You aim to make women
better people. Tell me some of the | 1:23:43 | 1:23:51 | |
things you might say to new members.
If I was to join what would you say | 1:23:51 | 1:23:56 | |
to meet in Courage me to become a
better person? I would say to you to | 1:23:56 | 1:24:00 | |
study the ritual and absorb the
teachings it is trying to put across | 1:24:00 | 1:24:05 | |
to you, and to put them into
practice in your everyday life. Can | 1:24:05 | 1:24:09 | |
you give me an example of a
teaching? You should always be | 1:24:09 | 1:24:17 | |
looking out each other, and you help
people to become better people by | 1:24:17 | 1:24:23 | |
growing in confidence and self
belief, and to always believe that | 1:24:23 | 1:24:28 | |
although we wear different
distinctions of regalia, we are all | 1:24:28 | 1:24:31 | |
equal, and that he who is on the
lovers spoke fortunes wheel is | 1:24:31 | 1:24:37 | |
equally entitled to our regard. --
the lowest spoke of Fortune's | 1:24:37 | 1:24:43 | |
wheeled. Thank you for talking to
us. Why are you a Freemason? I've | 1:24:43 | 1:24:50 | |
been a Freemason for about 30 years.
As you've just said I'm also an | 1:24:50 | 1:24:55 | |
academic. I'm studying freemasonry.
In fact I joined for social, | 1:24:55 | 1:25:03 | |
philosophical reasons, because
freemasonry in France is quite | 1:25:03 | 1:25:09 | |
different from freemasonry in
Britain and the states. As you know, | 1:25:09 | 1:25:17 | |
or maybe as people don't know, in
1877 in France they decided to | 1:25:17 | 1:25:29 | |
impose full liberty of conscience.
And no longer to demand that their | 1:25:29 | 1:25:35 | |
members should believe in God. Ever
since there's been a rift between | 1:25:35 | 1:25:42 | |
French freemasonry and British and
American Freemasons. For our | 1:25:42 | 1:25:50 | |
audience, my understanding is that
in France the lodges are often | 1:25:50 | 1:25:54 | |
political, whereas in the UK they
aren't supposed to take religious or | 1:25:54 | 1:25:58 | |
political stances. I would qualify
that statement a bit. In French | 1:25:58 | 1:26:05 | |
lodges, you certainly do not discuss
politics and religion as such. But | 1:26:05 | 1:26:11 | |
what is important is to accept
religious differences and also | 1:26:11 | 1:26:21 | |
secularism. Separation between
church and state. We do have | 1:26:21 | 1:26:26 | |
discussions on philosophical and
social issues, for instance you will | 1:26:26 | 1:26:29 | |
discuss the emancipation of women,
issues such as unemployment, such as | 1:26:29 | 1:26:37 | |
euthanasia for instance. Poverty.
There is this commitment to improve | 1:26:37 | 1:26:47 | |
society, if not change society.
Andreas, you were the youngest | 1:26:47 | 1:26:53 | |
Freemason in Sweden for a number of
years. He joined a 25. Has it helped | 1:26:53 | 1:26:57 | |
your career? No, not at all. Why did
you join? I'm both an academic and a | 1:26:57 | 1:27:06 | |
Freemason and it has helped me to
make a short distinction between | 1:27:06 | 1:27:10 | |
what is academic and what is my
personal development. But in my | 1:27:10 | 1:27:16 | |
career outside freemasonry, my
membership has not improved my | 1:27:16 | 1:27:20 | |
chances to get anywhere in society.
There's so much suspicion around the | 1:27:20 | 1:27:24 | |
society as well when it comes to
freemasonry. I hardly ever mention | 1:27:24 | 1:27:29 | |
it. Now I feel confident to do it,
20 years after I joined. In the | 1:27:29 | 1:27:34 | |
beginning I was very cautious to
talk about it. I did lots of | 1:27:34 | 1:27:39 | |
research and I feel more confident
talking about it in public. Do you | 1:27:39 | 1:27:43 | |
want more people to become
Freemasons and if so do you accept | 1:27:43 | 1:27:47 | |
you perhaps will have to be more
transparent than traditionally | 1:27:47 | 1:27:51 | |
Freemasons have been? Yes of course,
I would definitely tell people to | 1:27:51 | 1:27:59 | |
become Freemasons. It's one of the
best things that happened in my | 1:27:59 | 1:28:02 | |
life. In what way? You haven't been
able to articulate that. It connects | 1:28:02 | 1:28:08 | |
back in time to philosophical
traditions that otherwise and | 1:28:08 | 1:28:14 | |
expressed that clearly in society.
It's an oral transfer of knowledge, | 1:28:14 | 1:28:19 | |
very performative. During the film
you could see these rituals. | 1:28:19 | 1:28:26 | |
Freemasonry lives in performance.
It's not something you can read a | 1:28:26 | 1:28:31 | |
book and become a Freemason. You
must become initiated. There are | 1:28:31 | 1:28:37 | |
very few instances in modern society
where we initiate people. That is | 1:28:37 | 1:28:44 | |
the only secret, so to speak. The
personal experience of the | 1:28:44 | 1:28:48 | |
initiation which is the big asset.
The second thing is the | 1:28:48 | 1:28:53 | |
transparency. Freemasons have been
very transparent and people have | 1:28:53 | 1:28:57 | |
been bad at reading about
freemasonry. The question is what do | 1:28:57 | 1:29:02 | |
we mean when we want to have
transparency. We are publishing | 1:29:02 | 1:29:05 | |
quite a lot about freemasonry and
still we see that if you Google, | 1:29:05 | 1:29:11 | |
many misconceptions and prejudices
prevail. Traditionally Freemasons | 1:29:11 | 1:29:14 | |
have been mysterious. We could only
film certain parts of the ceremonies | 1:29:14 | 1:29:20 | |
and rituals and that's absolutely up
to Christine, she can make those | 1:29:20 | 1:29:23 | |
decisions. If we don't want to go
along with it we can leave, but we | 1:29:23 | 1:29:27 | |
wanted to film as much as we could.
Do you accept, Christine, it leaves | 1:29:27 | 1:29:33 | |
people with a suspicion? What is it
that you are hiding? I suppose it | 1:29:33 | 1:29:38 | |
does but really and truly when we
ask people to swear that they will | 1:29:38 | 1:29:42 | |
never reveal the secrets we ask them
as a symbolic act of their honour | 1:29:42 | 1:29:48 | |
and integrity. That's what it means.
Although they may not be very | 1:29:48 | 1:29:53 | |
important to other people, they are
important to us. So they demonstrate | 1:29:53 | 1:29:57 | |
a person's commitment to their
membership to the order, by keeping | 1:29:57 | 1:30:01 | |
those secrets. I wonder maybe if
asking people to do that, maybe that | 1:30:01 | 1:30:08 | |
sustains you? It maintains this
intrigue when actually from what | 1:30:08 | 1:30:11 | |
we've seen to date it would appear
to be reasonably benign, possibly | 1:30:11 | 1:30:20 | |
worthy and potentially boring. It is
a very benign society because we do | 1:30:20 | 1:30:24 | |
a lot of good. One of the practices
we carry out his charity. We raise a | 1:30:24 | 1:30:30 | |
lot of money for charity. It is part
of our duty as a Freemason, to | 1:30:30 | 1:30:37 | |
support others and help them. So
yes, that's what we do. It's not | 1:30:37 | 1:30:41 | |
just what we do. | 1:30:41 | 1:30:45 | |
Tell us about what you are wearing
around your neck. Tell us about the | 1:30:45 | 1:30:50 | |
significance of that? It is a Grand
Master's collar of office. It is a | 1:30:50 | 1:30:59 | |
Grand Master's collar. You can't see
it, but that is the collar jewel | 1:30:59 | 1:31:04 | |
which is a blazing sun, the glory in
the centre with the all seeing eye. | 1:31:04 | 1:31:10 | |
Lift it higher. Yes, we have got it.
And that's real gold, I assume? No. | 1:31:10 | 1:31:19 | |
Is it not? No. Oh my gosh. You can't
get that down Clare's Accessories, | 1:31:19 | 1:31:28 | |
can you? No. Thank you, Christine.
It is a pleasure. Thank you to our | 1:31:28 | 1:31:41 | |
guests. Can you allow me to add a
little? Briefly. I wanted to point | 1:31:41 | 1:31:48 | |
out there has been an evolution
concerning women Freemasons, but the | 1:31:48 | 1:31:56 | |
wages situation is very different in
France and England. They are not | 1:31:56 | 1:32:04 | |
recognised by the United Grand
Lodge. Whereas in France women | 1:32:04 | 1:32:09 | |
Freemasons are recognised by their
male counterparts except for one | 1:32:09 | 1:32:13 | |
grand lodge which has the official
links with the United Grand Lodge of | 1:32:13 | 1:32:19 | |
England, but apart from that, we are
fully recognised and that's the | 1:32:19 | 1:32:23 | |
difference and there is still a long
way to go. Thank you. Thank you very | 1:32:23 | 1:32:28 | |
much. | 1:32:28 | 1:32:32 | |
Still to come: | 1:32:34 | 1:32:35 | |
The actors' union Equity are looking
for solutions to combat sexual | 1:32:35 | 1:32:38 | |
harassment across the industry,
following allegations | 1:32:38 | 1:32:40 | |
against Harvey Weinstein and more
lately, Kevin Spacey. | 1:32:40 | 1:32:45 | |
We will talk to them in their first
interview after the allegations | 1:32:45 | 1:32:53 | |
surfaced. | 1:32:53 | 1:32:56 | |
As many as one in 25 people
are homeless in England's worst hit | 1:32:56 | 1:32:59 | |
areas according to a new survey. | 1:32:59 | 1:33:01 | |
We'll talk to two women who've been
left homeless and are now living | 1:33:01 | 1:33:04 | |
in temporary accommodation
about their lives and | 1:33:04 | 1:33:06 | |
hopes for the future. | 1:33:06 | 1:33:07 | |
Time for the latest
news - here's Annita. | 1:33:07 | 1:33:08 | |
The International Development
Secretary, Priti Patel, | 1:33:08 | 1:33:12 | |
is flying back to Britain
from Africa at the request | 1:33:12 | 1:33:14 | |
of Theresa May amid growing
speculation about her future | 1:33:14 | 1:33:16 | |
in the government. | 1:33:16 | 1:33:17 | |
She had already been forced
to apologise for a series | 1:33:17 | 1:33:21 | |
of unauthorised meetings
while on a family holiday in Israel, | 1:33:21 | 1:33:23 | |
it's now emerged she had further
talks which she failed to disclose | 1:33:23 | 1:33:26 | |
to the Prime Minister. | 1:33:26 | 1:33:35 | |
The Defence Secretary Gavin
Williamson was questioned about | 1:33:35 | 1:33:39 | |
Priti Patel on his way into the Nato
defence ministers meeting in | 1:33:39 | 1:33:42 | |
Brussels, but he didn't answer
directly. | 1:33:42 | 1:33:44 | |
REPORTER: Is it right that
Priti Patel should be | 1:33:44 | 1:33:46 | |
sacked do you think? | 1:33:46 | 1:33:48 | |
I'm very much focussing on actually
the issues that are here at the Nato | 1:33:48 | 1:33:51 | |
conference for ministers and making
sure that they understand our | 1:33:51 | 1:33:54 | |
commitment to Europe's defence
is absolutely resolute. | 1:33:54 | 1:33:57 | |
One minister on the
verge of departure. | 1:33:57 | 1:34:01 | |
The Foreign Secretary floundering
a little, with respect sir, | 1:34:01 | 1:34:04 | |
a Defence Secretary very
new to the job, it doesn't | 1:34:04 | 1:34:07 | |
give a huge amount of
confidence for Britain's | 1:34:07 | 1:34:09 | |
ministerial overseas footprint? | 1:34:09 | 1:34:13 | |
We are very much focussed on talking
about military matters | 1:34:13 | 1:34:16 | |
here and that is what I'm
going to be doing all day but thank | 1:34:16 | 1:34:19 | |
you very much for your time. | 1:34:19 | 1:34:26 | |
REPORTER: Can you put to bed rumours
that you perhaps advised | 1:34:26 | 1:34:29 | |
Prime Minister to get rid of Michael
Fallon? | 1:34:29 | 1:34:31 | |
Oh the Prime Minister
makes her own decisions | 1:34:31 | 1:34:33 | |
on who is serving in her Cabinet
and they are only the Prime | 1:34:33 | 1:34:36 | |
Minister's decisions. | 1:34:36 | 1:34:37 | |
But she didn't actually -
she makes her own decisions | 1:34:37 | 1:34:39 | |
and she always does make
her own decisions. | 1:34:39 | 1:34:41 | |
But thank you ever so much
for your time, thank you. | 1:34:41 | 1:34:45 | |
The head of NHS England will warn
today that the public wants to see | 1:34:45 | 1:34:49 | |
promises on NHS funding,
made during the EU | 1:34:49 | 1:34:52 | |
referendum campaign,
honoured by the government. | 1:34:52 | 1:34:54 | |
Simon Stevens will tell a health
conference that trust | 1:34:54 | 1:34:56 | |
in the democratic process will be
weakened, if higher | 1:34:56 | 1:34:58 | |
funding is not delivered. | 1:34:58 | 1:35:04 | |
Donald Trump has arrived in Beijing
as he continues his tour of Asia. | 1:35:04 | 1:35:07 | |
The American President took a tour
of the Forbidden City | 1:35:07 | 1:35:09 | |
in the capital, alongside his
Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping. | 1:35:09 | 1:35:11 | |
Mr Trump is expected to ask China
to cut its financial | 1:35:11 | 1:35:14 | |
links with North Korea. | 1:35:14 | 1:35:16 | |
Speaking in South Korea earlier,
Mr Trump urged all countries to join | 1:35:16 | 1:35:18 | |
forces to isolate Pyongyang,
saying the world could not tolerate | 1:35:18 | 1:35:21 | |
a rogue nation that threatened
nuclear devastation. | 1:35:21 | 1:35:29 | |
The Prince of Wales has been
criticised for failing to disclose | 1:35:29 | 1:35:33 | |
an investment by his private estate
in an offshore company. | 1:35:33 | 1:35:37 | |
The revelations come from a number
of leaked documents about tax havens | 1:35:37 | 1:35:39 | |
known as the Paradise Papers. | 1:35:39 | 1:35:41 | |
It's the second time
this week that a member | 1:35:41 | 1:35:43 | |
of the Royal Family has been named. | 1:35:43 | 1:35:45 | |
The broadcaster Sky has said it
will consider closing Sky News if it | 1:35:45 | 1:35:48 | |
becomes a stumbling block
in its proposed merger | 1:35:48 | 1:35:50 | |
with 21st Century Fox. | 1:35:50 | 1:35:53 | |
Rupert Murdoch's bid
for full control of Sky | 1:35:53 | 1:35:55 | |
is being investigated
by the Competition | 1:35:55 | 1:35:56 | |
and Markets Authority,
on grounds of media plurality. | 1:35:56 | 1:36:03 | |
Thousands of people with the most
advanced cancers in England are now | 1:36:04 | 1:36:07 | |
surviving for several years
after diagnosis, | 1:36:07 | 1:36:08 | |
according to research. | 1:36:08 | 1:36:09 | |
MacMillan Cancer Support said this
was due to the success | 1:36:09 | 1:36:12 | |
of new treatments, but it warned
living longer with advanced cancer | 1:36:12 | 1:36:14 | |
brings its own difficulties. | 1:36:14 | 1:36:24 | |
That's a summary of
the latest BBC News. | 1:36:25 | 1:36:31 | |
Jennifer says, "I used to work at
the Freemasons arms in coffin | 1:36:31 | 1:36:35 | |
garden. We would cater for events.
One evening I got locked in the | 1:36:35 | 1:36:42 | |
kitchen and all they did was eat,
drink and sing hymns. Hardly MI5! " | 1:36:42 | 1:36:49 | |
Here's some sport now
with Katherine Downes. | 1:36:49 | 1:36:56 | |
Here are the top sports
stories of the day for you. | 1:36:56 | 1:36:59 | |
It's been a busy 24
hours for Andy Murray, | 1:36:59 | 1:37:02 | |
welcoming his second daughter
with his wife Kim, and making | 1:37:02 | 1:37:04 | |
a return to court to play
an exhibition match | 1:37:04 | 1:37:06 | |
against Roger Federer - it's
the first time he's played in public | 1:37:06 | 1:37:09 | |
since Wimbledon in July. | 1:37:09 | 1:37:10 | |
The UK Anti-Doping Agency say
they're worried about an ongoing | 1:37:10 | 1:37:12 | |
case against Tyson Fury. | 1:37:12 | 1:37:14 | |
He tested positive for a banned
steroid last June - | 1:37:14 | 1:37:16 | |
and UKAD say if he sues them
for loss of earnings, | 1:37:16 | 1:37:18 | |
they will be bankrupt. | 1:37:18 | 1:37:19 | |
They're believed to have
asked the Government | 1:37:19 | 1:37:21 | |
to underwrite the case. | 1:37:21 | 1:37:22 | |
England and Germany will both wear
poppies on black armbands | 1:37:22 | 1:37:24 | |
for their friendly on Friday
after Fifa changed their rules | 1:37:24 | 1:37:27 | |
to allow players to wear poppies
as an act of remembrance. | 1:37:27 | 1:37:37 | |
A swimmer competed in the games a
year after making a journey from | 1:37:43 | 1:37:47 | |
Syria in search of a new life. She
and her sister even helped tow a | 1:37:47 | 1:37:53 | |
boat full of migrants across the
shore to Greece. Alex Capstick went | 1:37:53 | 1:38:00 | |
to meet her in Berlin. You know that
you may lose your life on the way. | 1:38:00 | 1:38:05 | |
It's not your decision that you want
to leave your country and you want | 1:38:05 | 1:38:08 | |
to go to another country. So, you
kind of think about what's better | 1:38:08 | 1:38:14 | |
for your life and for your family.
This woman, Olympian and refugee who | 1:38:14 | 1:38:20 | |
saved lives including her own, a
story so powerful it attracted | 1:38:20 | 1:38:25 | |
interest from movie moguls across
the world. The teenager swimmer who | 1:38:25 | 1:38:30 | |
fled Syria to pursue her sporting
dreams. Imagine there is a war in | 1:38:30 | 1:38:34 | |
your country, you can't go back. You
can't see your children. You can't | 1:38:34 | 1:38:38 | |
take anything. This is the suit you
have on you. That's it. It was a 25 | 1:38:38 | 1:38:44 | |
day nightmare which featured a
sinking boat full of migrants | 1:38:44 | 1:38:47 | |
heading for Greece. She jumped into
the sea with her sister to helped | 1:38:47 | 1:38:54 | |
keep it afloat. I was afraid. It was
dark and I was just seeing the | 1:38:54 | 1:38:59 | |
island, but never reaching it. You
could see the island in the | 1:38:59 | 1:39:02 | |
distance? Yes. So you knew which way
to go? It's not that I was, the | 1:39:02 | 1:39:10 | |
heros, pulling a rope, you know.
It's OK, I helped the boat, but it | 1:39:10 | 1:39:15 | |
was not only me or my sister. If we
didn't work together until we reach | 1:39:15 | 1:39:21 | |
the shore, it will never, me and my
sister will never make it happen. | 1:39:21 | 1:39:25 | |
You can imagine they told you, it is
a 45 minute trip and you stayed | 1:39:25 | 1:39:29 | |
three-and-a-half hours. What did you
have with you? Nothing. My jeans and | 1:39:29 | 1:39:33 | |
my T-shirt. My shoes was also gone.
She arrived in Berlin where she | 1:39:33 | 1:39:41 | |
joined this swimming club in the
city's park. Her technique and | 1:39:41 | 1:39:48 | |
tenacity impressed local coaches.
She made speedy progress and | 1:39:48 | 1:39:52 | |
incredibly just 11 months after her
ordeal, she was on the biggest | 1:39:52 | 1:39:56 | |
sporting stage of all, marching into
the Olympic Stadium alongside nine | 1:39:56 | 1:40:03 | |
other athletes selected to compete
under the refugee banner. Even | 1:40:03 | 1:40:08 | |
before one day, they were telling me
I was leaving to do the Olympics, it | 1:40:08 | 1:40:13 | |
was a surprise after only one here I
am a refugee in Germany and I'm | 1:40:13 | 1:40:17 | |
going and there is a refugee Olympic
team, it was incredible. She didn't | 1:40:17 | 1:40:23 | |
have to wait long to compete. She
hoped to meet one of her greatest | 1:40:23 | 1:40:32 | |
idols, Michael Phelps. I saw him,
but I didn't meet him. I swam this | 1:40:32 | 1:40:38 | |
the same lane. She is now a teenager
in demand. With an expanding entour | 1:40:38 | 1:40:44 | |
ranlg be fitting her growing stature
on the world's stage. It is hard to | 1:40:44 | 1:40:48 | |
believe that only two years ago she
was making that treacherous | 1:40:48 | 1:40:53 | |
desperate journey from Syria into an
unknown future and look at her now, | 1:40:53 | 1:40:57 | |
a global personality, quite clearly,
at ease in the spotlight. | 1:40:57 | 1:41:02 | |
There have been meetings with major
global figures. She addressed the UN | 1:41:02 | 1:41:05 | |
and given talks at other
high-profile events, highlighting | 1:41:05 | 1:41:09 | |
the plight of refugees. Actually,
we're working on bringing more | 1:41:09 | 1:41:14 | |
awareness to the people of our
refugees and about what is happening | 1:41:14 | 1:41:17 | |
in the world. I'm just hoping to get
the idea to people that yes, they | 1:41:17 | 1:41:23 | |
are normal people and they had a
normal life and they were forced to | 1:41:23 | 1:41:28 | |
flee their country because of
violence. | 1:41:28 | 1:41:29 | |
And you are making a movie or a move
dwri is being made about you. How | 1:41:29 | 1:41:33 | |
exciting is that? Yes, it is
amazing. I'm really excited. Yeah, | 1:41:33 | 1:41:42 | |
now nothing has happened. We told
the story already. And yeah, I'm | 1:41:42 | 1:41:48 | |
excited to be sometimes on set and
watch. Who would you like to play | 1:41:48 | 1:41:52 | |
you? To be honest, I have no idea. I
would like to play myself! I cannot | 1:41:52 | 1:41:58 | |
act. No, I can act, but I don't have
time. But yeah, I think I would just | 1:41:58 | 1:42:07 | |
wait and see who she will be.
But above all, she is focussed on | 1:42:07 | 1:42:12 | |
training hard. She wants a place at
the 2020 Olympics in Tokyo and | 1:42:12 | 1:42:18 | |
doesn't mind she who represents. My
ambition is just to be an athlete. | 1:42:18 | 1:42:22 | |
If I'm going to start for Germany or
for my country, or for the refugee | 1:42:22 | 1:42:28 | |
Olympic team, I'm going to do the
best I can and it will be my | 1:42:28 | 1:42:31 | |
pleasure. In a life full of twists
and turns, the way to Tokyo may not | 1:42:31 | 1:42:35 | |
be straightforward, but it's clear
this determined 19-year-old will | 1:42:35 | 1:42:38 | |
rise to whatever challenges lie in
wait. . | 1:42:38 | 1:42:47 | |
The number of people recorded
as homeless in England now | 1:42:48 | 1:42:53 | |
stands at over 268,000,
that's according to a new report | 1:42:53 | 1:42:55 | |
by the charity, Shelter. | 1:42:55 | 1:42:59 | |
The housing charity combined
official rough-sleeping, | 1:42:59 | 1:43:00 | |
numbers in temporary accommodation
and hostels, and social | 1:43:00 | 1:43:02 | |
services figures. | 1:43:02 | 1:43:05 | |
Shelter says this shows the number
of homeless people in Britain has | 1:43:05 | 1:43:08 | |
increased by 13,000 in a year,
but only uses estimates | 1:43:08 | 1:43:10 | |
in Scotland and Wales. | 1:43:10 | 1:43:12 | |
Government records are not
definitive, the charity claims, | 1:43:12 | 1:43:14 | |
so the true figure of homelessness
the figure is likely to be higher. | 1:43:14 | 1:43:23 | |
We can speak to Natalie Robertson,
who is living in temporary | 1:43:23 | 1:43:25 | |
accommodation with her son
in South London, Gillian Cooper, | 1:43:25 | 1:43:29 | |
who is with her family in temporary
accommodation in East London | 1:43:29 | 1:43:32 | |
and Polly Neate, who's chief
executive of the charity, Shelter. | 1:43:32 | 1:43:35 | |
Welcome all of you. Thank you for
coming on. It is probably worth | 1:43:35 | 1:43:40 | |
explaining why, when Natalie and
Gillian both have a roof over their | 1:43:40 | 1:43:44 | |
heads, they are define as homeless?
Well, people who are in temporary | 1:43:44 | 1:43:49 | |
accommodation, which commonly means
a room, sometimes even for a whole | 1:43:49 | 1:43:53 | |
family, in a bed and breakfast,
hotel or hostel are classed as | 1:43:53 | 1:43:56 | |
homeless because they don't have a
home to call their own. They don't | 1:43:56 | 1:44:00 | |
have anything like a long-term or
permanent tenancy. And you know, I | 1:44:00 | 1:44:06 | |
think it's really important not to
under estimate the devastating | 1:44:06 | 1:44:10 | |
impact that this has on people. We
see it day in and day out at | 1:44:10 | 1:44:16 | |
Shelter. It is that uncertainty and
it's important to stress as well | 1:44:16 | 1:44:21 | |
that this temporary accommodation
often is really inadequate and keeps | 1:44:21 | 1:44:25 | |
changing and in fact, in the study
we are talking about today, we found | 1:44:25 | 1:44:29 | |
that a third of those in temporary
accommodation will still be there in | 1:44:29 | 1:44:33 | |
a year's time so it is not that
temporary even. How many times have | 1:44:33 | 1:44:37 | |
you been moved in the two years that
you have been officially homeless? | 1:44:37 | 1:44:42 | |
We have been moved four times and we
should have moved another move as of | 1:44:42 | 1:44:47 | |
two weeks ago. Right. It doesn't
stop. It is always a consideration, | 1:44:47 | 1:44:53 | |
you can't collect thingsment you
can't do things with the temporary | 1:44:53 | 1:44:56 | |
home that you have got because you
have got to carry the bulk with you | 1:44:56 | 1:44:59 | |
somewhere else. It doesn't even look
like a home. And your | 1:44:59 | 1:45:04 | |
eight-year-old, your 14-year-old and
16-year-old live in where you are | 1:45:04 | 1:45:08 | |
now, with you? Yes. What condition
is it in? What's it like? | 1:45:08 | 1:45:17 | |
The one we've got now is probably
the best of all of them. It can get | 1:45:17 | 1:45:20 | |
really bad. We've had cases where
there have been mice, cockroaches, | 1:45:20 | 1:45:25 | |
rats. It's dangerous for the
children to be in because they don't | 1:45:25 | 1:45:30 | |
take the children into consideration
when they are being housed in these | 1:45:30 | 1:45:33 | |
places. Which means you can move
away from their school or local GP, | 1:45:33 | 1:45:38 | |
for example. Or away from their
friends. Does that have a big | 1:45:38 | 1:45:43 | |
impact? We've tried to make sure
they've kept a home base near their | 1:45:43 | 1:45:48 | |
school. We've maintained the doctor
we go to. If we were to move we | 1:45:48 | 1:45:53 | |
wouldn't have all the ID that is
prepared to join a doctor 's surgery | 1:45:53 | 1:45:56 | |
so we've maintained our doctors.
Other than that, the schools are | 1:45:56 | 1:46:01 | |
very important for children. What
would you say to people who might be | 1:46:01 | 1:46:06 | |
watching thinking, you're in an all
right place now. You've had some | 1:46:06 | 1:46:09 | |
awful accommodation but now it's OK.
The kids are still at the same | 1:46:09 | 1:46:14 | |
school and youth maintained the GP.
Why is it a problem that you're in | 1:46:14 | 1:46:19 | |
temporary accommodation? We aren't
going to be staying there from. We | 1:46:19 | 1:46:27 | |
can't set routes down. My children
used to go to groups in our original | 1:46:27 | 1:46:30 | |
house. They used to do piano, drums
and what have you. But now they | 1:46:30 | 1:46:35 | |
can't do any of that so they don't
feel settled. When we first got to | 1:46:35 | 1:46:39 | |
that place, prior to this we were in
a one-bedroom place with just one | 1:46:39 | 1:46:46 | |
row with the whole family. We found
out later it should only housed to | 1:46:46 | 1:46:51 | |
people. The reason there were seven
is because the two older ones were | 1:46:51 | 1:46:55 | |
with you but they've now left. Yes.
How did you end up homeless, | 1:46:55 | 1:47:03 | |
Natalie? I was living with my mum in
2016, with my step dad and my | 1:47:03 | 1:47:08 | |
brother. I had my son, I was
working. When I was made homeless he | 1:47:08 | 1:47:12 | |
was one-year-old, the day after his
first birthday. To salvage my mum's | 1:47:12 | 1:47:20 | |
relationship with myself I had to
make that drastic change because we | 1:47:20 | 1:47:22 | |
were clashing over time and it
wasn't fair on any of us. She made | 1:47:22 | 1:47:27 | |
the decision to salvage a
relationship, tried mediation and it | 1:47:27 | 1:47:31 | |
didn't work. The local council gave
me accommodation in Thornton Heath. | 1:47:31 | 1:47:38 | |
I was there for 12 weeks. There were
three other families in that | 1:47:38 | 1:47:41 | |
property. It was clean, we had to
share kitchen and bathroom. There | 1:47:41 | 1:47:49 | |
was a gentleman living there who had
HIV and left blood in the bathroom | 1:47:49 | 1:47:52 | |
and expose that to myself and my son
and other families. I approach the | 1:47:52 | 1:47:58 | |
council who didn't believe me. They
didn't believe us at first. It | 1:47:58 | 1:48:04 | |
wasn't until I got this man's full
name, did a bit of research on | 1:48:04 | 1:48:09 | |
media, and I found him on there. You
write something about having HIV | 1:48:09 | 1:48:14 | |
site to get straight to the council.
Did you get moved? I got moved. I | 1:48:14 | 1:48:22 | |
didn't have an official apology or
further investigation. Where are you | 1:48:22 | 1:48:25 | |
living now? I'm at Connect House on
an industrial estate in Mitcham. We | 1:48:25 | 1:48:32 | |
went to the House of Commons
yesterday for a debate. A few | 1:48:32 | 1:48:39 | |
scenarios have happened there and I
don't think it's safe at all. | 1:48:39 | 1:48:43 | |
There's loads of lorries and fans,
the pollution, the dust. It is | 1:48:43 | 1:48:49 | |
actually an industrial estate? It is
actually on there, yes. Sutton | 1:48:49 | 1:48:55 | |
Council say they are supporting an
ever increasing number of homeless | 1:48:55 | 1:48:58 | |
people. By April 2016 the figures
were 411 and as of this week its 577 | 1:48:58 | 1:49:06 | |
households. They say they are trying
to strike a balance between placing | 1:49:06 | 1:49:10 | |
Holebas families far away or more
locally -- replacing homeless | 1:49:10 | 1:49:14 | |
families. Redbridge say they are
trying hard, it's a top priority as | 1:49:14 | 1:49:18 | |
the council. Polly, you will know
the government is spending more on | 1:49:18 | 1:49:24 | |
this. They remind us they are
investing £950 million by 2020, | 1:49:24 | 1:49:32 | |
they've given councils the power to
plays families in decent rented | 1:49:32 | 1:49:39 | |
homes. What else can they do? A lot.
The issue is that there are two | 1:49:39 | 1:49:48 | |
really fundamental things that are
causing this problem. To be honest | 1:49:48 | 1:49:51 | |
they will undermine any of the other
attempts the government is making to | 1:49:51 | 1:49:55 | |
solve it. One is there is not enough
affordable housing. By affordable | 1:49:55 | 1:50:00 | |
that has to be for low income
families to rent, not affordable to | 1:50:00 | 1:50:03 | |
buy. That's the long-term solution.
In the short-term a lot of this is | 1:50:03 | 1:50:11 | |
caused by welfare cuts. Benefit cuts
and particularly the freeze on | 1:50:11 | 1:50:16 | |
housing benefits. If government were
to just unfreeze local housing | 1:50:16 | 1:50:22 | |
allowance for families in rented
accommodation, if they would | 1:50:22 | 1:50:25 | |
unfreeze that in the next budget,
the impact on homelessness would be | 1:50:25 | 1:50:30 | |
massive. Because they would be able
to afford private rented | 1:50:30 | 1:50:34 | |
accommodation? I don't want to go
over old arguments but you know what | 1:50:34 | 1:50:38 | |
their argument would be. People who
are working can't afford it so why | 1:50:38 | 1:50:41 | |
would you give money to people who
aren't working in order to live in | 1:50:41 | 1:50:45 | |
private rented accommodation? It's a
matter of what level of homelessness | 1:50:45 | 1:50:50 | |
crisis we as a society are prepared
to tolerate, and the level of | 1:50:50 | 1:50:55 | |
unintended victims of welfare cuts
we are prepared to tolerate. We are | 1:50:55 | 1:51:00 | |
talking about people in work and not
in work not able to afford rent | 1:51:00 | 1:51:06 | |
because the property market is, as
we know, through the roof. It is a | 1:51:06 | 1:51:12 | |
crisis, it is a human crisis and
something has got to be done. This | 1:51:12 | 1:51:17 | |
is a message from Aaron on Facebook.
It perhaps illustrates what you've | 1:51:17 | 1:51:21 | |
just described. He said, I've been
homeless for 12 months, sofa surfing | 1:51:21 | 1:51:26 | |
across my family and friends homes.
I've been working hard since the age | 1:51:26 | 1:51:30 | |
of 15 until the age of 24, when I
was forced to quit my full-time job | 1:51:30 | 1:51:34 | |
and leave my abusive ex who has now
left me with a lot of debt, which | 1:51:34 | 1:51:41 | |
means I can't afford food. My debts
are catching up with me, I'm | 1:51:41 | 1:51:45 | |
depressed, I do know where to turn.
The government will only offer me | 1:51:45 | 1:51:48 | |
shared accommodation. I'm expected
to live with people I don't know in | 1:51:48 | 1:51:54 | |
a rundown area and I've paid taxes
ever since I've worked and donated | 1:51:54 | 1:51:59 | |
to local charities. What makes it
even worse is I'm a care worker and | 1:51:59 | 1:52:02 | |
a very good one. My heart and soul
goes into caring and looking after | 1:52:02 | 1:52:07 | |
other people and I can't support
myself. Where do I go, who do I talk | 1:52:07 | 1:52:11 | |
to? I feel like life isn't worth
living and I'm only 24. Which is | 1:52:11 | 1:52:20 | |
really, really, really upsetting.
What advice would you give to Aaron? | 1:52:20 | 1:52:25 | |
To get some specific advice I would
advise him to call the shelter | 1:52:25 | 1:52:29 | |
helpline. We will try and find him
the best possible option in his | 1:52:29 | 1:52:34 | |
situation. In terms of the general
point, I think that case makes the | 1:52:34 | 1:52:39 | |
point really well. If you're going
to have an economy with incredibly | 1:52:39 | 1:52:44 | |
high housing costs and very low
wages, something has to be done for | 1:52:44 | 1:52:49 | |
people who have absolutely no power
in the marketplace. The market isn't | 1:52:49 | 1:52:54 | |
delivering. What we at Shelter would
argue it has to be done is to at | 1:52:54 | 1:53:02 | |
least unfreeze housing benefit.
Without doing that, the government's | 1:53:02 | 1:53:08 | |
Homelessness Reduction Act won't
succeed. It can't succeed unless | 1:53:08 | 1:53:11 | |
there is actually somewhere to house
people, which there won't be with | 1:53:11 | 1:53:14 | |
the freeze on housing benefit. Thank
you. | 1:53:14 | 1:53:23 | |
The actors' union Equity has begun
an investigation to find solutions | 1:53:23 | 1:53:26 | |
to combat sexual harassment
and the fear of disclosure | 1:53:26 | 1:53:28 | |
among its members in
the entertainment industry. | 1:53:28 | 1:53:30 | |
It comes after revelations affecting
workers across the industry, | 1:53:30 | 1:53:38 | |
firstly involving the film producer
Harvey Weinstein, and more lately | 1:53:38 | 1:53:41 | |
Kevin Spacey, who'd been working
at London's Old Vic theatre. | 1:53:41 | 1:53:43 | |
Both men deny allegations
of sexual harassment. | 1:53:43 | 1:53:48 | |
Let's talk to Maureen Beattie,
who's the Vice President of Equity. | 1:53:48 | 1:53:55 | |
Thank you for talking to us. Hello.
Before the Harvey Weinstein scandal | 1:53:55 | 1:54:02 | |
broke, how endemic was this problem?
I think it was every single place | 1:54:02 | 1:54:08 | |
you could imagine in our industry,
from drama schools, dance schools, | 1:54:08 | 1:54:14 | |
all the entertainment schools, the
Conservative whiles, right through | 1:54:14 | 1:54:20 | |
to the people beginning their
careers and right through to the | 1:54:20 | 1:54:23 | |
people whose names are above the
title. I think it's been there all | 1:54:23 | 1:54:26 | |
the time and I think what's happened
with the Harvey Weinstein scandal | 1:54:26 | 1:54:30 | |
and the revelations coming through
about people like Mr Spacey, we've | 1:54:30 | 1:54:36 | |
been made to realise just how
terrible and endemic it is. So it's | 1:54:36 | 1:54:43 | |
been there all along, in every
sector of the acting world, and | 1:54:43 | 1:54:50 | |
nothing has been done? No, I
wouldn't say that was true at all. I | 1:54:50 | 1:54:58 | |
am vice president of Equity and
Equity have got very, very rigorous | 1:54:58 | 1:55:06 | |
rules in place to protect people in
drama schools and in their careers, | 1:55:06 | 1:55:17 | |
particularly if nudity or simulated
sex is required. There are very, | 1:55:17 | 1:55:21 | |
very strict rules and regulations
and protocols in place. The problem | 1:55:21 | 1:55:26 | |
has been that not the majority but
the minority of people who employ | 1:55:26 | 1:55:31 | |
our members and to cast productions
in all the media are not paying | 1:55:31 | 1:55:41 | |
attention in the way that they
should. One of the things that we | 1:55:41 | 1:55:46 | |
want to do with this working group,
we want to come up with new ideas as | 1:55:46 | 1:55:50 | |
to how we're going to deal with
this. We want to make a real sea | 1:55:50 | 1:55:54 | |
change, but we also want to talk the
employers about how they need to put | 1:55:54 | 1:56:00 | |
these protocols into place and how
they need to be much more rigorous | 1:56:00 | 1:56:03 | |
about it. Since the Weinstein
scandal broke, how many people have | 1:56:03 | 1:56:08 | |
come forward with complaints of
sexual harassment and worse, serious | 1:56:08 | 1:56:12 | |
complaints of sexual assault? I am
not privy to actual figures, and I'm | 1:56:12 | 1:56:19 | |
certainly not privy to names either
of people bringing their stories or | 1:56:19 | 1:56:23 | |
who the stories are about. It must
have been the only topic of | 1:56:23 | 1:56:28 | |
conversation for the last few weeks.
Is it dozens, is it hundreds? I have | 1:56:28 | 1:56:35 | |
no idea. I'm not trying to pull the
wool over your eyes. The whole point | 1:56:35 | 1:56:41 | |
about Equity is that it is entirely
secret. You bring your story and the | 1:56:41 | 1:56:47 | |
Equity staff went even speak to me.
They won't tell the president of the | 1:56:47 | 1:56:52 | |
union. What I can tell you,
absolutely of course, since these | 1:56:52 | 1:56:57 | |
revelations have come about people
have felt empowered to speak out and | 1:56:57 | 1:57:01 | |
people who would frightened or
guilty about speaking out, because | 1:57:01 | 1:57:05 | |
they felt it was their fault, of
course they have been empowered. So | 1:57:05 | 1:57:10 | |
we have seen a Equity a huge upsurge
of people bringing their stories to | 1:57:10 | 1:57:14 | |
ask. What does Equity think about
actors naming others and social | 1:57:14 | 1:57:19 | |
media, alleging they have been
seriously sexually assaulted? The | 1:57:19 | 1:57:24 | |
British actor Ed Westwick
strenuously denies accusations by an | 1:57:24 | 1:57:31 | |
American actress that he raped her.
He said he's never met her or forced | 1:57:31 | 1:57:36 | |
himself on anyone and certainly
never committed rape. Well, the | 1:57:36 | 1:57:44 | |
problem of course is that there
facts and there's gossip, and those | 1:57:44 | 1:57:48 | |
people climbing on bandwagons. There
are lots and lots of grey areas and | 1:57:48 | 1:57:53 | |
we have to be very, very careful
about this. Very briefly because | 1:57:53 | 1:57:58 | |
we're running out of time, the
principal about naming someone on | 1:57:58 | 1:58:01 | |
social media, is that a good thing
or not? I'm not on social media, I | 1:58:01 | 1:58:08 | |
think it's a dodgy area and I think
you have to be very, very sure of | 1:58:08 | 1:58:11 | |
what you're doing before you start
naming people. Thank you. | 1:58:11 | 1:58:19 | |
Kevin Spacey denies allegations of
sexual harassment and Harvey | 1:58:19 | 1:58:26 | |
Weinstein denies allegations of
non-conceptual sex. | 1:58:26 | 1:58:30 | |
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