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Hello, it's Friday, it's 9am. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:20 | |
Welcome to the programme. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
March 29th at 11pm, 2019 -
that's the date that will fixed | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
in law for Britain to leave the EU
as Theresa May warns potential | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
Conservative rebels not to try
and block the process. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
Forced out of his dream job as
a police officer for being Asian - | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
we talk to Mark Dias
about his pursuit of justice | 0:00:35 | 0:00:37 | |
at the hands of Cleveland Police,
where he says he was systematically | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
bullied and spied on. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
He has now been awarded
half-a-million pounds | 0:00:43 | 0:00:44 | |
in compensation. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
Asian officers would be
subjected to fabricated | 0:00:46 | 0:00:52 | |
internal investigations,
conduct investigations and criminal | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
investigation by the professional
standards department. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
We will get the full story later in
the programme. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
Women may only need to have three
smear tests in their lifetime | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
if they have had a vaccine
against a virus called HPV, | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
which can cause the disease. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:10 | |
At the moment women
are offered 12 tests - | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
we will talk to a mum who has had
cervical cancer about how | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
it was discovered. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:25 | |
Hello, welcome to the programme -
we're live until 11am this morning. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
Lots to talk about today. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
You can get in touch
on all the stories we're talking | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
about this morning -
use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
If you text, you will be charged
at the standard network rate. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
Our top story today... | 0:01:42 | 0:01:43 | |
Theresa May has warned pro-EU
Conservatives that she will not | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
tolerate any attempts to block
the Brexit process. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
In a sign of her intent,
she's outlined plans to enshrine | 0:01:48 | 0:01:53 | |
in law the exact moment that Britain
will leave the European Union - | 0:01:53 | 0:01:59 | |
11pm on 29th March, 2019. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:04 | |
But the man responsible for writing
the Article 50 withdrawal process - | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
cross-bench peer Lord John Kerr - | 0:02:08 | 0:02:09 | |
says Brexit could still be
reversed. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
Our political correspondent
Emma Vardy is in Westminster. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:16 | |
What has prompted the pledge from
the Prime Minister? Call it | 0:02:16 | 0:02:21 | |
theatrics, called it symbolic, this
is Theresa May publicly underlining | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
her commitment to Brexit. Her
message is, we won't go against the | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
democratic will of the British
people. Listen to what she says in | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
her article in the Telegraph today.
She says, let no one doubt our | 0:02:33 | 0:02:38 | |
determination or question our
resolve. Brexit is happening. She | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
says, we will not tolerate attempts
from any quarter to use the process | 0:02:42 | 0:02:47 | |
of amendments to the EU Withdrawal
Bill as a mechanism to try to block | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
the democratic process. The EU
Withdrawal Bill comes back to the | 0:02:50 | 0:02:56 | |
Commons to be debated by MPs next
week so it is no coincidence Theresa | 0:02:56 | 0:03:01 | |
May is putting out this statement
today, but as we are hearing that | 0:03:01 | 0:03:06 | |
has been a controversial problem by
Lord Coe, the man who knows the nuts | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
and bolts of this clause.
Lord Coe, the author of Article 50, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:20 | |
is expected to say more today. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:41 | |
We could change our minds at any
stage according to an article that | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
Lord Kerr has made for some time.
Later on today he will say the | 0:03:45 | 0:03:50 | |
country still has a free choice
about whether to proceed. People are | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
still entitled to take a different
view. Will his intervention make any | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
difference? He knows the score is
better than anyone so he will add | 0:03:58 | 0:04:10 | |
weight to arguments from Remainers
who say we should leave the door | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
open to a second referendum to see
if we want to go ahead with Brexit | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
at all. On the other hand, for those
people that voted to leave, this has | 0:04:16 | 0:04:21 | |
provoked outrage for some today. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:22 | |
When you make interventions like
this, you run the risk that people | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
will say, you are just trying to go
against the referendum result and | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
backslide on the Democratic result
of the referendum as originally | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
delivered by voters. Emma, thank you
very much indeed. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:48 | |
Rachel is in the BBC
Newsroom with a summary | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
of the rest of the day's news. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:56 | |
Donald Trump has told Asia and
Pacific leaders he will no longer | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
tolerate what he has called chronic
trade abuses. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:05 | |
Co-operation summit. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
During a hard-hitting speech,
he said America was prepared to work | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
with countries in the region,
provided they abide | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
by what he called "fair
and reciprocal trade". | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
From this day forward, we will
compete on a fair and equal basis. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:21 | |
We are not going to let the United
States be taken advantage of any | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
more. I am always going to put
America First, the same way I expect | 0:05:25 | 0:05:32 | |
all of you in this room to put your
country first. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:40 | |
A new study is recommending a major
change in the way women are screened | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
for cervical cancer. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:44 | |
It suggests those who've been
vaccinated against the HPV virus | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
need only have three smear tests
during their life, rather | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
than the 12 currently offered. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
Our health correspondent
Sophie Hutchinson reports. | 0:05:53 | 0:06:00 | |
Cervical cancer is
a dangerous disease. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
It's also one
of the most preventable cancers, | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
but there's been concern
about a steady drop in the number | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
of women going for screening
in the past few years. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
Currently, women aged 25 to 49
are offered smear tests every four | 0:06:11 | 0:06:20 | |
-- every three years and then every
five years from the age of 50 to 64, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
but for almost a decade girls aged
11 to 13 have been given a vaccine | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
against the cancer-causing
virus HPV. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
Today's study published
in the International Journal | 0:06:29 | 0:06:30 | |
of Cancer says the vaccine reduces
the chance of cancer by 70% | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
and women who have had it only need
to undergo three smear tests | 0:06:33 | 0:06:38 | |
during their lives,
instead of the normal 12, | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
at the age of 30, 40 and 55. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:43 | |
All cervical cancers are linked
to HPV infection and having | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
the vaccination dramatically reduces
the chances of having the infection | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
and also having cervical cancer. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
Screening looks for early changes
that could suggest cancer | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
is developing and quite simply
having the vaccine means | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
you are less likely to have those
changes and less likely to develop | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
cancer, so you don't need
screening quite so often. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:10 | |
The study comes ahead
of changes being planned | 0:07:10 | 0:07:11 | |
to the screening programme
in England for 2019 and similar | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
adjustment in Scotland and Wales. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:15 | |
New, more advanced lab testing
is expected to be introduced, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
which could mean fewer smear tests
for all women, whether | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
vaccinated or not. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
Facebook's founding president has
said he's worried about the effect | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
the site is having on society. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:36 | |
Sean Parker, who says he no
longer uses social media, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
said the network was built
on "exploiting a vulnerability | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
in human psychology",
and he was concerned | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
about what it was "doing
to children's brains". | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
The actor and producer Steven Seagal
is the latest Hollywood figure to be | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
accused of sexual harassment. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:55 | |
The actor Portia de Rossi,
who is married to the US talk show | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
host Ellen DeGeneres,
made the allegation in a tweet. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
She claims that during a film
audition Mr Seagal told her "how | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
important it was to have chemistry
off-screen" before | 0:08:03 | 0:08:07 | |
unzipping his trousers. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:08 | |
Mr Seagal's manager told the BBC
that the actor had no comment. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:13 | |
Universities are to be warned not
to use misleading language or claims | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
as they try to attract students. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
With hundreds of thousands of young
people in the process | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
of applying for courses,
the BBC understands the advertising | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
watchdog is to tell universities
next week that they need to prove | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
the accuracy of wording used
in their marketing material. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
The French President Emmanuel Macron
is making an unscheduled visit | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
to Saudi Arabia to discuss
the crisis in Lebanon | 0:08:36 | 0:08:45 | |
after the Prime Minister,
Saad Hariri, resigned on Saturday. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
Lebanon risks being the battleground
in the fight between the Saudis | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
and Iran for regional supremacy. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:51 | |
Saudi Arabia has told its citizens
to leave Lebanon immediately and not | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
to travel there from any country. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:59 | |
Uber is due to find out the outcome
of its appeal against a ruling | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
on the employment rights
of its drivers. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
Two drivers won a landmark case
against the cab-hiring app last year | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
after arguing they were employees
and entitled to the minimum wage, | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
sick pay and paid holiday. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:14 | |
Uber challenged the ruling,
saying it could deprive drivers | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
of the "personal flexibility
they value". | 0:09:17 | 0:09:22 | |
More than half of schools in England
fail to offer Computer Science GCSE, | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
according to a new report
by the UK's leading science academy. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
The Royal Society is calling
for a ten-fold increase in funding | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
for computing education,
which it says is patchy and fragile. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
Here's our technology
correspondent, Rory Cellan-Jones. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:47 | |
What effect does a binary shift left
and a binary shift right have? | 0:09:47 | 0:09:57 | |
In a classroom in Saint Albans, some
budding young computer scientists | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
are deep in their GCSE course. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:12 | |
This school is in a minority. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
Today's report says computer
education is fragile and patchy, | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
with too few pupils given the chance
to enter the exam. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:26 | |
What's more, the subject
is being largely avoided by girls. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
So what has made these
students take it up? | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
Our future is very much based around
computers and technology is becoming | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
a big part of society. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:35 | |
I knew that it would be useful to
have, and I could get a job easily. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
Maybe in other schools it might be
viewed as slightly nerdy | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
to do computer science,
but I think it is quite | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
respected at this school. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:45 | |
The Royal Society's report says too
many young people are missing out | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
on vital digital skills. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:49 | |
54% of English schools do not offer
computer science as a GCSE. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
Schools need 3500 more
computing teachers. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:53 | |
Only one in five computer science
entrants are female. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
Both the teachers in this class have
degrees in computer science, | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
which makes them unusual. | 0:10:58 | 0:10:59 | |
The Royal Society wants a big
increase in spending | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
on training new teachers. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
The computing industry says
digital skills are vital | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
for the UK's future. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:14 | |
If we want to remain
a developed nation, | 0:11:14 | 0:11:19 | |
a nation that is innovative,
that provides products | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
and services to drive us forward
in the 21st century, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
we need people with advanced
digital skills, in all | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
industries and all sectors. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:27 | |
The Department for Education says it
wants to ensure the future workforce | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
has the skills the UK needs. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
This report says that,
without more computing | 0:11:32 | 0:11:33 | |
teachers, that won't happen. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC
News - more at 9.30am. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
Do get in touch with us
throughout the morning - | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
If you text us, you will be charged
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Let's get some sport now with Damian
Johnson. Controversy in Belfast last | 0:11:51 | 0:11:56 | |
night, Northern Ireland lost that
all-important World Cup play-off | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
match?
That is right, controversial and | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
disappointing for Northern Ireland,
looking to reach the World Cup for | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
the first time since 1986, playing
against Switzerland, the favourites | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
to go through after a 1-0 victories
because the referee awarded a | 0:12:08 | 0:12:13 | |
penalty for handball by Northern
Ireland's Coria them. Most people | 0:12:13 | 0:12:17 | |
were convinced it struck him on the
back or at best the shoulder but the | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
referee believed otherwise. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:26 | |
Ricardo Rodriguez scored
from the spot cue angry protests | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
from the Northern Ireland
players and supporters. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:29 | |
There's been outrage
on social media. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
BBC 5Live presenter Colin Murray
said the penalty decision | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
was like refereeing from the Dark
Ages. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
The Northern Ireland
manager was left furious. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
It is staggering in this day and age
when the stakes are so high at this | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
level of the game that something
like that, it's obviously | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
a gamechanger, but dwelling on it
isn't going to help us. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
Whether it is the worst,
whatever it is, whatever label | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
you want to put on it is irrelevant. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
The most important thing
is that we use it in the right | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
way and overcome it,
we channel it into the | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
game on Sunday night. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
They will play their second leg on
Sunday. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
Not only England will be wearing
poppies when they take on Germany at | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
Wembley tonight? | 0:13:09 | 0:13:15 | |
Both sets of players
will wear black armbands | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
with poppies in remembrance
of fallen servicemen and women. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
FIFA had previoiusly banned sporting
them and the home nations were fined | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
for doing so in November last year. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:24 | |
FIFA's argument had been
that it was a political gesture | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
but have now changed the rules
and allowed the wearing of poppies | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
if both teams are in agreement. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:35 | |
They will also be using video
assistant referee technology. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
This is technology to
help the referee review | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
incidents like goals,
red cards, penalties. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
It could have helped Northern
Ireland last night. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
Just finally from me,
the Women's Ashes test | 0:13:48 | 0:13:49 | |
is finely balanced in Sydney. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:50 | |
The Australians are batting
in their first innings. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
Andy Swiss is in Sydney for us. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
What's the latest, Andy? | 0:13:54 | 0:13:55 | |
After a frustrating first day,
England are fighting back, Australia | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
108-4 in reply to England's first
innings, they resumed the day on | 0:13:59 | 0:14:04 | |
235seven, hoping to put on towards
300, they did not quite get there | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
despite an entertaining Camier from
Anya Shrubsole. Australia's batters | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
looked comfortable, 48 without loss
but finally an England breakthrough, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
Laura Marsh taking the wicket of
Nicole Bolton 428 but no doubting | 0:14:17 | 0:14:22 | |
the star of the show for England, 18
year Soviet Kljestan making her test | 0:14:22 | 0:14:27 | |
debut, two wickets for her, Beth
Mooney caught by NATS giver, then | 0:14:27 | 0:14:32 | |
Alex Blackwell trapped lbw, said two
wickets for Sophie Ecclestone, just | 0:14:32 | 0:14:40 | |
18 years old, on her test debut. Her
parents are here watching her, how | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
proud must they be? A fourth wicket
for England in the last few wickets, | 0:14:44 | 0:14:50 | |
a brilliant catch by wicketkeeper
Sarah Taylor. The floodlights are | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
on, England struggled under them
last night. How will Australia fair | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
in the next hour and a half or so?
It could be pivotal. Andy Swiss, how | 0:14:57 | 0:15:03 | |
sports correspondent in Sydney,
thank you. That is all the sport for | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
now. Damian, thank you. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:13 | |
It's been another fractious
week in politics, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
with a second resignation at the top
of Theresa May's Government, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
and questions about her
future looming large. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
As Brexit talks in Brussels resume
today, the Prime Minister has said | 0:15:21 | 0:15:28 | |
she will not stand for any attempt
by pro-Remain MPs to try and block | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
the Brexit process and has announced
that the date that Britain | 0:15:31 | 0:15:38 | |
will leave the EU -
March 29th, 2019, at 11pm - | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
will be written into law. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:42 | |
With me in the studio
is Conservative party activist | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
Binita Mehta-Parmar,
and down the line from | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
Wakefield, Samantha Harvey. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:47 | |
Also joining us down
the line from his home | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
in Banbury is the former
Deputy Prime Minister | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
Lord Heseltine. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:56 | |
Lord Heseltine first, from a strong
and stable leadership to a cabinet | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
in chaos, how much authority does
Theresa May have at this moment in | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
time? She has the authority that
rests on the fact the party can't | 0:16:04 | 0:16:09 | |
agree about her successor. It's
widely assumed will not fight the | 0:16:09 | 0:16:17 | |
next election as leader of the Tory
party. There is a current vacuum and | 0:16:17 | 0:16:26 | |
people are hoping somebody will
emerge. It's a very fragile | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
situation, extremely damaging to our
ability to negotiate with the | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
Europeans. And it does not do us any
good on the international stage, but | 0:16:34 | 0:16:39 | |
the consequence of two things. First
of all the election result, and | 0:16:39 | 0:16:44 | |
second the cloud of Brexit. Some EU
leaders think she might not last | 0:16:44 | 0:16:55 | |
until Christmas. Do you agree? No, I
don't think her departure is | 0:16:55 | 0:17:02 | |
imminent. But you can see in your
introduction the scale of the | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
anxiety. There is a panic around the
legislation, enshrining in law the | 0:17:05 | 0:17:15 | |
precise time we will leave the
European Union. It injects | 0:17:15 | 0:17:23 | |
uncertainty at exactly the wrong
moment. What is of growing concern | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
is that to give time for Brexit to
work, and fixing in law the date, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:33 | |
will merely accelerate people's
decision to take investment | 0:17:33 | 0:17:41 | |
elsewhere and not to make investment
here. Frankly, it's a panic measure | 0:17:41 | 0:17:46 | |
reflecting the growing anxiety that
hostility to Brexit is growing, and | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
in order to make sure that public
opinion doesn't get the chance to | 0:17:50 | 0:17:55 | |
exert itself, they have now shoved
in this time amendment. It wasn't in | 0:17:55 | 0:18:02 | |
the original bill. So it isn't
essential,... Isn't it essential | 0:18:02 | 0:18:12 | |
when their voices like yourself, do
you still think Brexit should be | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
avoided? Oh, yes, it's the biggest
disaster in peace time in my | 0:18:16 | 0:18:21 | |
lifetime. It is reducing the status
of this country in a way which... | 0:18:21 | 0:18:30 | |
How helpful is that for Theresa May
and the Conservative Party and the | 0:18:30 | 0:18:35 | |
government? If you are already
talking about a government and | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
leadership in chaos, and a sense of
panic, surely that's unhelpful. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:44 | |
Well, it is unhelpful, but that's
the situation we are in. There is a | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
problem, and I will accept your
point that we could all be very | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
quiet and pretend all is well. But
we will not fool anybody. Europeans | 0:18:51 | 0:18:58 | |
are very sophisticated people and
know exactly what's going on here. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:02 | |
They read our newspapers and have
ambassadors. For the British people | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
to not know the scale of the debate
that's going on and the anxieties | 0:19:05 | 0:19:10 | |
that are now rife through industry,
would be a disservice. This is a | 0:19:10 | 0:19:15 | |
democracy and people are entitled to
hear the arguments on both sides. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:22 | |
One of the noxious features of this
date being inserted into the | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
legislation is that it is being done
so there is a fixed a moment before | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
people fully understand the nature
of the deal that's on offer, and | 0:19:30 | 0:19:37 | |
before people see the consequences.
In other words, it's trying to choke | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
off the democratic process. This is
not exactly the sort of sovereignty | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
we were told we would regain. Or
upholding a decision that was made | 0:19:45 | 0:19:50 | |
democratically. Bringing in Samantha
at this point. What's your response | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
to what you have heard so far? I
have to say that I totally disagree | 0:19:54 | 0:20:00 | |
with Lord Heseltine's comments
earlier on. First of all, Theresa | 0:20:00 | 0:20:05 | |
May's position is strong at the
moment. We at the grassroots of the | 0:20:05 | 0:20:12 | |
Conservative Party do support her
and I think she's doing a good job | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
to negotiate the best deal for the
British people. Lord Heseltine has | 0:20:15 | 0:20:20 | |
mentioned about democracy and the
democratic process. We have gone | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
through that last year. We are
leaving the EU and we are going to | 0:20:23 | 0:20:33 | |
be able to leave the EU on the 29th
of March, 2019, at 11am. Going back | 0:20:33 | 0:20:42 | |
over the same debate will not help
us. Are you happy with that, no | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
matter what the terms are, Deal or
no Deal, we don't know what the | 0:20:46 | 0:20:51 | |
divorce Bill will be, trade deals,
how it will affect our lives. It's | 0:20:51 | 0:20:58 | |
not going to help us if Lord
Heseltine pontificates the party in | 0:20:58 | 0:21:03 | |
the sense that he is not helping the
cause, and we should rally behind | 0:21:03 | 0:21:09 | |
the Prime Minister at this stage to
make sure we have the upper hand | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
over EU counterparts. Why don't we
have that unanimous support for the | 0:21:12 | 0:21:18 | |
Prime Minister? The Cabinet
reshuffle is not something she has | 0:21:18 | 0:21:23 | |
planned. It has nothing to do with
the Prime Minister's leadership. Her | 0:21:23 | 0:21:30 | |
leadership can only be judged when
the time comes, when the Brexit deal | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
is on the table for the British
people. Do you agree with that | 0:21:34 | 0:21:39 | |
point? We need to back Theresa May
and she is in a strong position? We | 0:21:39 | 0:21:45 | |
are only five months into this
government, so we need to give the | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
government time to get on with the
job. It has been a busy week in | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
politics this week. It's been an
exceptional week in politics, two | 0:21:52 | 0:21:58 | |
Cabinet ministers quitting. It is an
exceptional week, it's not a normal | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
one. But we need to give the
government space to get on with | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
their work and do their job. Brexit
is a decision not made long ago. We | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
have had a general election since.
Although it was a hung parliament, | 0:22:09 | 0:22:14 | |
the Conservative Party did win the
most seats. We know there have been | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
two elections, I don't think anybody
wants any more and we need to get on | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
with the job. You talk about getting
on with the job but the perception | 0:22:21 | 0:22:26 | |
outside the UK, to people in Europe
and the and European leaders, is | 0:22:26 | 0:22:32 | |
that there is chaos at the moment. I
think that's unfair. There isn't a | 0:22:32 | 0:22:39 | |
crisis. They were two different
issues that cause the resignations | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
of those Cabinet ministers. In this
day and age we hold cabinet | 0:22:42 | 0:22:48 | |
ministers and politicians in general
to a very high standards, which is | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
right, and we should do that, as we
do with many people in the public | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
sphere. It's right we took those
steps. It wasn't under anybody's | 0:22:55 | 0:23:00 | |
control as such. Theresa May has
made changes today. There was a | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
piece in the Telegraph this morning
to make progress on the biggest | 0:23:04 | 0:23:09 | |
issue of our generation, Brexit, and
we need to get on with it. You say | 0:23:09 | 0:23:14 | |
it's unfair that EU leaders
speculate Theresa May might not be | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
in power by Christmas. I think
speculation is not necessary and is | 0:23:17 | 0:23:23 | |
not helpful. People were speculating
remain would win. People were | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
speculating Jeremy Corbyn would be
annihilated. I suspect those people | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
are the same who are predicting the
demise of Theresa May and it's not | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
helpful. You are saying that despite
voting to remain but you back the | 0:23:34 | 0:23:40 | |
Brexit process. I was part of the
48%, but equally there was a 52%. It | 0:23:40 | 0:23:48 | |
was a big referendum, it was not
quite. We have had a general | 0:23:48 | 0:23:53 | |
election since. I was on the losing
side of the EU referendum, but let's | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
get on with it. We need to make sure
Britain, our amazing country, has | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
the best chance of success possible,
and the way to do that is to stop | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
distractions and get on with the job
at hand. The government isn't just | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
the government of Brexit, it's a
government of Britain, and their | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
domestic issues we need to tackle as
well and I want the government to | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
have space to do that. Lord
Heseltine, what should Theresa May | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
do next? She has already made it
clear what she's going to do. What | 0:24:20 | 0:24:27 | |
do you think she should do to
improve the position of the | 0:24:27 | 0:24:32 | |
Conservative Party at the moment?
The dilemma is the Tory party is | 0:24:32 | 0:24:39 | |
split from top to bottom. As are all
the other parties. As long as that | 0:24:39 | 0:24:46 | |
remains, this indecision and
indecisiveness and uncertainty will | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
hang as a cloud over the body
politics. I have to be frank, I | 0:24:49 | 0:24:55 | |
don't see an easy solution to this.
I will tell you what I think will | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
happen, which is not something
Theresa May would like, but I think | 0:24:58 | 0:25:03 | |
public opinion is shifting. Looking
at the latest polling, there is | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
already a bigger majority against
Brexit than the one they achieved in | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
the referendum. That's going to get
worse. The Labour Party will shift | 0:25:11 | 0:25:16 | |
as public opinion shifts, and the
Tory party will be left holding the | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
baby. Where I disagree with your two
very articulate ladies, is that they | 0:25:20 | 0:25:26 | |
seem to be prepared to accept any
deal, any deal, no matter how bad, | 0:25:26 | 0:25:32 | |
under the name of Brexit. I
personally am totally opposed to | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
that. I think the whole status of
this country will be diminished. I | 0:25:36 | 0:25:42 | |
think investment will decline. I
think young people will feel | 0:25:42 | 0:25:47 | |
deceived, they feel betrayed by the
older generation of Brexiteers. They | 0:25:47 | 0:25:51 | |
know that the way the world is
today, Britain has to use its | 0:25:51 | 0:25:58 | |
influence in big combinations. And
Europe is the inevitable and only | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
serious option for us. Samantha, how
does the Conservative Party go about | 0:26:02 | 0:26:09 | |
engaging with younger voters,
especially, many of whom voted to | 0:26:09 | 0:26:14 | |
remain? We actually think in the
North we have a lot of different | 0:26:14 | 0:26:20 | |
issues. This election in June just
gone, that didn't do as much favour | 0:26:20 | 0:26:27 | |
as we would like as a Conservative,
because we have not engaged younger | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
voters. That's the reason why we
need to work very hard from a | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
different level of education and to
make sure we engage younger voters | 0:26:34 | 0:26:40 | |
from the very beginning. We gave
them a strong conservative | 0:26:40 | 0:26:45 | |
conviction, conservative values from
a young age. I also really feel that | 0:26:45 | 0:26:50 | |
Lord Heseltine is wrong to say we
don't have an understanding, we | 0:26:50 | 0:26:58 | |
split across the party over Brexit.
That isn't the case at all. In the | 0:26:58 | 0:27:03 | |
grass roots in the north, people
like and still respect Theresa May | 0:27:03 | 0:27:08 | |
because she's the Prime Minister on
the country. She can only be judged | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
at any point on the deal is put on
the table. Locally, in the north, we | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
have a lot of issues. Conservative
parties have scrapped the house | 0:27:15 | 0:27:21 | |
letting fees and we are doing as
much as we can for the energy bill | 0:27:21 | 0:27:26 | |
to be capped. We care for the people
in the North, and their likelihood, | 0:27:26 | 0:27:31 | |
as well as the Brexit deal. In my
city of Wakefield we are not allowed | 0:27:31 | 0:27:37 | |
to have a stadium of our own for the
Super League rugby club, which is | 0:27:37 | 0:27:42 | |
what the council has promised us
over and over. These are the issues, | 0:27:42 | 0:27:47 | |
together with Brexit, Brexit isn't
the only issue we are facing in the | 0:27:47 | 0:27:52 | |
North. Another important word, other
than Brexit, budget. We have a | 0:27:52 | 0:28:01 | |
situation where Philip Hammond will
make the case on Wednesday. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
Hopefully we will see more budget
towards house-building. Sajid Javid | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
has called for that recently forced
up as a young person myself, I am | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
27, and I am acutely aware we did
not win the young vote in June's | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
election. I think we need to have a
mass recalibration of conservative | 0:28:16 | 0:28:21 | |
values. We need to make the case for
our party. The Broadchurch that it | 0:28:21 | 0:28:27 | |
is, which has activists like us, and
historical figures and amazing | 0:28:27 | 0:28:32 | |
politicians within it, from the
backbenches to ministerial ranks, | 0:28:32 | 0:28:37 | |
Heidi Alan, Lord Heseltine, lots of
diverse voices within the | 0:28:37 | 0:28:43 | |
Conservative Party. I would like to
see a good vision for our country | 0:28:43 | 0:28:47 | |
beyond Brexit put forward with the
budget in place. When it comes to | 0:28:47 | 0:28:52 | |
house-building, it's such an
important point for young people | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
like myself. We want to see a
calling and support for businesses, | 0:28:54 | 0:28:59 | |
especially beyond Brexit. There are
a lot of different issues the | 0:28:59 | 0:29:04 | |
government is grappling with and we
need to give them the space to get | 0:29:04 | 0:29:09 | |
on with it. We will leave it there. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
Still to come... | 0:29:13 | 0:29:14 | |
Is this the end of regular
cervical screens? | 0:29:14 | 0:29:16 | |
According to a new study women may
only need three in a lifetime | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
if they have been given
the HPV vaccine. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:21 | |
We'll be discussing this research. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
And two more high profile men have
been accused of sexual abuse. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
We'll get the latest
from Hollywood. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
Time for the latest
news - here's Rachel. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
The headlines from BBC News... | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
Theresa May has warned pro-EU
Conservatives that she will not | 0:29:38 | 0:29:42 | |
tolerate any attempts to block
the Brexit process. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
In a sign of her intent,
she's outlined plans to enshrine | 0:29:45 | 0:29:49 | |
in law the exact moment that Britain
will leave the European Union - | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
11pm on 29th March, 2019. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:57 | |
But the man responsible for writing
the Article 50 withdrawal process, | 0:29:57 | 0:30:02 | |
cross-bench peer Lord John Kerr,
says Brexit could still be reversed. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
A new study is recommending that
women who have had the HPV vaccine | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
only need to have three smear tests
during their life, rather than | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
the 12 they're currently offered. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
The vaccine, which helps prevent
against cervical cancer, | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
has been given to girls aged 11
to 13 since 2008. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:24 | |
The study, funded by Cancer Research
UK, comes ahead of proposed changed | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
to the NHS cervical cancer screening
programme due to come in 2019. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
Donald Trump has told Asia
and Pacific leaders America will no | 0:30:37 | 0:30:44 | |
longer tolerate what he calls
chronic trade abuses. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:45 | |
The US President is in Vietnam
at the Asia Pacific Economic | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
Co-operation summit. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:49 | |
During a hard-hitting speech,
he said America was prepared to work | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
with countries in the region,
provided they abide | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
by what he called "fair
and reciprocal trade". | 0:30:54 | 0:31:01 | |
From this day forward, we will
compete on a fair and equal basis. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
We are not going to let
the United States be taken | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
advantage of any more. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:13 | |
I am always going to put America
first, the same way I expect | 0:31:13 | 0:31:20 | |
all of you in this room
to put your countries first. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
The actor and producer Steven Seagal
is the latest Hollywood figure to be | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
accused of sexual harassment. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:32 | |
The actor Portia de Rossi,
who is married to the US talk show | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
host Ellen DeGeneres,
made the allegation in a tweet. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
She claims that during a film
audition Mr Seagal told her "how | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
important it was to have chemistry
off-screen" before | 0:31:40 | 0:31:42 | |
unzipping his trousers. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
Mr Seagal's manager told the BBC
that the actor had no comment. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:55 | |
The French President Emmanuel Macron
is making an unscheduled visit | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
to Saudi Arabia to discuss
the crisis in Lebanon | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
after the Prime Minister,
Saad Hariri, resigned on Saturday. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
Lebanon risks being the battleground
in the fight between the Saudis | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
and Iran for regional supremacy. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:10 | |
Saudi Arabia has told its citizens
to leave Lebanon immediately and not | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
to travel there from any country. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:20 | |
Universities are to be warned not
to use misleading language or claims | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
as they try to attract students. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:24 | |
With hundreds of thousands of young
people in the process | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
of applying for courses,
the BBC understands the advertising | 0:32:27 | 0:32:30 | |
watchdog is to tell universities
next week that they need to prove | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
the accuracy of wording used
in their marketing material. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:37 | |
That's a summary of
the latest BBC News. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:46 | |
Let's get some sport now with
Damien. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:53 | |
Northern Ireland face a huge task
to qualify for the World Cup | 0:32:53 | 0:32:57 | |
after a controversial 1-0 defeat
to Switzerland in their | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
play-off in Belfast. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:00 | |
Cory Evans was the victim
of what looked a cruel injustice | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
when he was adjudged to have handled
in the area and Ricardo Rodriguez | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
gave the Swiss a lead to take
into Sunday's second leg. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
The players of both England
and Germany will wear black armbands | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
with poppies for tonight's friendly
at Wembley in remembrance of fallen | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
servicemen and women,
after Fifa agreed to change | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
to its rules. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:17 | |
England's women are trying to bowl
out the Australians on day two | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
of the one-off Ashes Test in Sydney. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
It is a must win game for England. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
England are currently going well. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
The Aussies are four wickets down
in the final session of the day. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:34 | |
And former GB Olympian Jess
Varnish is suing UK Sport | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
and British Cycling. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:37 | |
A source close to the sprinter has
told BBC Sport her legal action | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
is based on claims she suffered sex
discrimination, detriment | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
for whistleblowing, victimisation
and unfair dismissal. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
That is all the sport for now. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
Women vaccinated against human
papilloma virus, or HPV, | 0:33:47 | 0:33:52 | |
which is thought to cause about 99%
of cervical cancers, | 0:33:52 | 0:33:54 | |
may only need three smear
tests in their lifetime, | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
a new study has suggested. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:57 | |
Since 2008, the HPV vaccine has been
offered to girls aged 11 to 13 | 0:33:57 | 0:34:06 | |
and reported cases have
fallen sharply since then. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
A team from Queen Mary
University of London | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
found that screenings at age 30,
40 and 55 would offer the same | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
benefit to these young women
as the current 12 screenings. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
The study comes ahead of changes
being planned to the screening | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
programme in England for 2019,
and similar adjustments | 0:34:19 | 0:34:21 | |
in Scotland and Wales. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
At the moment, labs test
for abnormalities in cells | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
taken in a smear test,
but the new tests will check | 0:34:27 | 0:34:32 | |
for the presence of HPV first,
and only check for abnormal cells | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
if the virus is found. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:42 | |
Joining us now, Mandy Parker
was diagnosed with cervical cancer | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
in 2015 after a routine smear test,
and she had to have a hysterectomy. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
She also has two daughters,
aged 17 and 14, who both | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
had the HPV vaccine. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:52 | |
Nicola Smith is Cancer Research
UK's health expert. | 0:34:52 | 0:35:00 | |
And Professor Anne Mackie
is the Director of Screening | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
at Public Health England. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
Welcome to the programme. Nicola,
tell us more about why this study is | 0:35:05 | 0:35:11 | |
so significant? This was a study
funded by Cancer Research UK, | 0:35:11 | 0:35:15 | |
modelling study looking at, for
those girls who had the HBV vaccine | 0:35:15 | 0:35:20 | |
who are approaching screening age
now, what their screening programme | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
might need to look like to get the
same amount of benefit as women | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
currently get through the programme,
because they have this huge added | 0:35:27 | 0:35:31 | |
protection against cervical cancer
through the HPV vaccination they | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
have had. This modelling study took
into account different | 0:35:35 | 0:35:48 | |
factors the fact that the HPV
primary test that you mentioned will | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
be being introduced, and it
suggested that to get the same | 0:35:55 | 0:35:57 | |
amount of benefit as the current
programme, the girls who have had | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
the HPV vaccination will only need
three smears instead of the current | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
12. Why does that matter, why three
rather than 12? We are keen to make | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
sure women are getting the same
benefits but if they can do so with | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
fewer procedures, if they need to go
less often, that is a great thing | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
for these women. So people are being
vaccinated but HPV, is human | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
papillomavirus, what is it? It is a
virus linked to all cases of | 0:36:13 | 0:36:18 | |
cervical cancer. For most people you
will get infected with the virus and | 0:36:18 | 0:36:22 | |
clear it and be fine, but in some
cases the virus does persist and for | 0:36:22 | 0:36:27 | |
those people who don't clear it, it
can cause cervical cancer, so it is | 0:36:27 | 0:36:32 | |
important that we vaccinate against
it in girls now that we have the | 0:36:32 | 0:36:37 | |
opportunity to do that, but the HPV
vaccine only protect about 70% of | 0:36:37 | 0:36:43 | |
infections with HPV so that is why
it is important that these girls | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
still have some smears because there
is still a chance that they will | 0:36:46 | 0:36:50 | |
still get the other HPV types we are
not protecting against. Mandy, you | 0:36:50 | 0:36:56 | |
were diagnosed with cervical cancer
in 2015, can you tell us what | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
happened? How did you find out? It
was through my regular screening, I | 0:36:59 | 0:37:05 | |
had never missed one, I went in June
2015, no symptoms, went along as | 0:37:05 | 0:37:10 | |
normal and had the screening and
unfortunately they called me back | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
because there were abnormal cells
and in September 2015I had a radical | 0:37:13 | 0:37:19 | |
hysterectomy due to early-stage
cervical cancer. But it was an | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
aggressive grade so I was told that
if I had not gone for screening it | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
would be a totally different story,
I would not still be here to tell | 0:37:25 | 0:37:29 | |
the tale now. It is so important and
it is a great thing about the new | 0:37:29 | 0:37:37 | |
HPV screening because that is what
caused my cervical cancer. In the | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
way it is down to look for you
because you were approaching a | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
screening but otherwise it would
have been another three years? Yes, | 0:37:42 | 0:37:47 | |
another three years, and women lead
busy lives, it is important to put | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
it off but it is important that
people attend on time because they | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
can detect early changes so it was
not as bad as it could have been. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:59 | |
How like other cases were jewels in
that there were no symptoms? I had | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
no symptoms, I just went along, I
have never had an abnormal screening | 0:38:02 | 0:38:07 | |
so I didn't think there would be
anything different in this one, I | 0:38:07 | 0:38:11 | |
didn't have any symptoms, but that
is not the case for other people, | 0:38:11 | 0:38:18 | |
other people can have symptoms, but
I didn't, but if I had missed the | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
screening it would have been worse.
How do you feel about the news | 0:38:21 | 0:38:26 | |
today... I think it is brilliant.
You have two teenage daughters? I | 0:38:26 | 0:38:32 | |
do, they have both been vaccinated,
I would encourage everyone to have | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
the HPV vaccine, that is what caused
my cervical cancer. Why is it so | 0:38:36 | 0:38:42 | |
important for girls to have the HPV
vaccine? To stop them getting | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
cervical cancer, in the end, and
that is what we want. It is really | 0:38:46 | 0:38:50 | |
exciting times for cervical cancer,
we now know what causes it, we can | 0:38:50 | 0:38:55 | |
look for it and, as you say, we are
turning the programme over so we | 0:38:55 | 0:39:00 | |
will look for that rather than
abnormal cells, which is a better, | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
simpler test and we have a real
prospect of stopping it happening in | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
the first place and how fantastic is
that? When will it come in? This is | 0:39:06 | 0:39:11 | |
what the study has found, when could
this new screening programme kick | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
in? I think the important thing to
say is this is a model, so what the | 0:39:15 | 0:39:20 | |
researchers have done is say, if
this happens and happened in this | 0:39:20 | 0:39:23 | |
way, then the chances are it would
be safe for women to have many, many | 0:39:23 | 0:39:29 | |
fewer screenings. What the programme
is doing at the moment is | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
concentrating on changing from the
cytology test, looking at the cells | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
under the microscope, to looking at
the emergence of the virus, and we | 0:39:35 | 0:39:41 | |
will get that into place by the end
of 2019. The other thing to say is | 0:39:41 | 0:39:46 | |
that the girls who have been
vaccinated are coming up to 21, 22, | 0:39:46 | 0:39:51 | |
and we start screening at 25, and we
know that screening is being taken | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 | |
up by fewer women, the rate of
people taking up screening are | 0:39:55 | 0:40:02 | |
declining. Why do you think that is?
All sorts of reasons but before I go | 0:40:02 | 0:40:07 | |
there, but I want to do is say that
I will probably be dead by the time | 0:40:07 | 0:40:11 | |
the current 25-year-old As are right
the way through the programme | 0:40:11 | 0:40:15 | |
because it does not finish until 65
so we really need to be clear that | 0:40:15 | 0:40:20 | |
for women who have not been
vaccinated it is incredibly | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
important they go and get a
screening test, which we are making | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
better. Instead of people saying, I
only need to be screened three | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
times, the key thing is having had
that HPV vaccine at a young age. How | 0:40:30 | 0:40:36 | |
long, once you have had that,
schoolgirls have the HPV vaccine, | 0:40:36 | 0:40:40 | |
how long does it last? That is a
good question and part of the reason | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
that what has been done is a model
because across the world we have | 0:40:44 | 0:40:50 | |
been vaccinating since 2008 or so.
The evidence is very strong that it | 0:40:50 | 0:40:55 | |
lasts a long time, but we are
continuing to gather the data to see | 0:40:55 | 0:41:00 | |
whether people remain protected.
Nicola, do you want to come in | 0:41:00 | 0:41:05 | |
before we come back to the reasons
why? Yes, the main aim of the | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
cervical screening programme is
actually prevention rather than | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
diagnosis, although it does pick up
some cases of cervical cancer | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
actually for a lot of women who get
abnormal results those cell changes | 0:41:16 | 0:41:22 | |
are actually precancerous, things
that can be dealt with, they can be | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
removed or dealt with before it even
has a chance to develop into cancer, | 0:41:25 | 0:41:30 | |
so although Mandy's experience is
unfortunate, for a lot of women when | 0:41:30 | 0:41:34 | |
they go through the smear process it
will be fine and if those abnormal | 0:41:34 | 0:41:39 | |
cells are picked up hopefully it can
be dealt with before they turn into | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
cancer. Can we then, in theory, get
to a stage where we really do | 0:41:43 | 0:41:48 | |
minimise cases of serious cervical
cancer? I don't want to use the word | 0:41:48 | 0:41:54 | |
eliminate, but get to that stage...
Another piece of work that Peter has | 0:41:54 | 0:41:59 | |
done is suggest that if people took
up the screening offer as the | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
programme is now, we would stop more
than 80% of cases of cervical | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
cancer. It is incredibly effective
set of things to do. But having said | 0:42:06 | 0:42:12 | |
that, you say there are declining
numbers of women going for | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
screening? Why? It is interesting, I
think there is a mix of reasons. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:21 | |
Apart from the obvious that it is
not necessarily, the procedure | 0:42:21 | 0:42:27 | |
itself, although it does not take
long, it might not be the most | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
comfortable thing to do for people?
Some people find it uncomfortable | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
and some people are worried they
will find it uncomfortable. People | 0:42:33 | 0:42:37 | |
lead busy lives, if you have three
jobs and four children, you have got | 0:42:37 | 0:42:42 | |
other things to worry about, it can
be difficult sometimes to get access | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
to a GP or clinic to do these
things, and some really interesting | 0:42:45 | 0:42:50 | |
work suggests that about five to 8%
of people who have not had it have | 0:42:50 | 0:43:04 | |
never heard of it, so we have got a
huge amount of work to promote it, | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
and programmes like this are very
helpful. Just spinach, your final | 0:43:07 | 0:43:09 | |
pitch to people washing the
programme who have perhaps ignored | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
the doctors' letter and have not
been for a screening, what would you | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
say to them? I would say it is
essential, just go, it does not | 0:43:14 | 0:43:16 | |
matter if you have missed a letter,
go and book your screening and the | 0:43:16 | 0:43:19 | |
cervical Cancer trust is there to
help anyone who is frightened about | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
going for a smear test and to help
along the procedure so I would urge | 0:43:22 | 0:43:26 | |
people to take up the invitation.
This Cancer Research UK modelling | 0:43:26 | 0:43:31 | |
study is just a modelling study. For
now, we are not going to see these | 0:43:31 | 0:43:37 | |
changes implemented, so people, take
note of the invitation when it comes | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
through the post, and watch this
space. Get your daughters vaccinated | 0:43:40 | 0:43:44 | |
and take up the offer when it comes.
I know I said that was a final thing | 0:43:44 | 0:43:48 | |
but our boys affected by this? Boys
certainly have HPV but my colleague | 0:43:48 | 0:43:54 | |
said that the rates of protection we
are giving, 80% of girls are not | 0:43:54 | 0:44:01 | |
going to get it, so the whole
population benefits. HPV is in a bad | 0:44:01 | 0:44:05 | |
way and there should be much less of
it right the way across the | 0:44:05 | 0:44:09 | |
population. Thank you very much
indeed. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
Coming up... | 0:44:11 | 0:44:15 | |
A last minute goal at
Anfield to win the title - | 0:44:15 | 0:44:17 | |
that's a cherished memory
for many Arsenal fans, | 0:44:17 | 0:44:19 | |
and it's now been made into a film. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
We're speaking to Lee Dixon,
who was part of that winning team. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:24 | |
Another day, yet more allegations
about inappropriate sexual | 0:44:24 | 0:44:26 | |
behaviour in Hollywood. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:27 | |
The actor Steven Seagal
is the latest star to be accused | 0:44:27 | 0:44:30 | |
of sexual harrassment,
after this tweet from | 0:44:30 | 0:44:32 | |
the actress Portia de Rossi. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
The Arrested Development actress,
who is married to US talk show | 0:44:35 | 0:44:38 | |
host Ellen DeGeneres,
claims that during a film audition | 0:44:38 | 0:44:43 | |
Mr Seagal told her "how important
it was to have chemistry off-screen" | 0:44:43 | 0:44:47 | |
before unzipping his trousers. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:48 | |
His manager told BBC News
that the actor had no comment. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:58 | |
Meanwhile Emmy Award-winning US
comedian Louis CK's movie premiere | 0:45:02 | 0:45:04 | |
has been cancelled hours before
the screening, as five women | 0:45:04 | 0:45:06 | |
accused him of sexual misconduct. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:07 | |
The BBC has contacted his
manager for a comment. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:09 | |
Let's speak to the Hollywood
reporter Gayl Murphy, | 0:45:09 | 0:45:11 | |
who's in Los Angeles. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:15 | |
Good morning. Can you tell us what
the latest allegations are? You can | 0:45:15 | 0:45:25 | |
add Steven Seagal, and American
comedian Louis CK to the list of | 0:45:25 | 0:45:30 | |
alleged sexual allegations that
include the likes of Kevin Spacey, | 0:45:30 | 0:45:34 | |
Dustin Hoffman, Brett Ratner, Jeremy
Piven. Everyday people are waking up | 0:45:34 | 0:45:45 | |
in Hollywood and trying to find out
and figure out who is next. It's | 0:45:45 | 0:45:50 | |
surprising, when you look at the
list, people like Dustin Hoffman and | 0:45:50 | 0:46:00 | |
Jeremy Piven, these are just
allegations and we have to be clear | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
about that, but we get glimpses into
these peoples lives we did not | 0:46:03 | 0:46:07 | |
necessarily want to see. I was
talking to producer earlier about | 0:46:07 | 0:46:12 | |
how this is almost like a tsunami.
You know how you see those | 0:46:12 | 0:46:18 | |
documentaries about, how clean is
your house, and they take the | 0:46:18 | 0:46:24 | |
ultraviolet, and you think your
bedding is clean and they take the | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
ultraviolet light and all of a
sudden you think, where did all this | 0:46:27 | 0:46:31 | |
dirt come from? It's like that,
hiding in plain sight. It's just a | 0:46:31 | 0:46:37 | |
very unsettling time. It's a good
time in the fact that women now feel | 0:46:37 | 0:46:42 | |
comfortable, more comfortable,
speaking out about what happened to | 0:46:42 | 0:46:48 | |
them and their experience. The
screen actors Guild is stepping up. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:52 | |
The TV Academy is stepping up and
saying they will make themselves | 0:46:52 | 0:46:58 | |
safe places for you. If something
happens to you under the umbrella of | 0:46:58 | 0:47:04 | |
a Castlin, you can come to us, and
we will make it safe for you. One of | 0:47:04 | 0:47:09 | |
the misnomers about Hollywood is
that there is somewhere to go and | 0:47:09 | 0:47:13 | |
someone who will support you, but
that isn't true, there is no HR | 0:47:13 | 0:47:16 | |
Department. So every day it's
something else and something more | 0:47:16 | 0:47:23 | |
against what we are hearing about a
lot of these claims and allegations | 0:47:23 | 0:47:27 | |
through social media channels. Can
you give us a sense of the mood and | 0:47:27 | 0:47:35 | |
reaction in Hollywood. The reaction
in Hollywood is everybody's holding | 0:47:35 | 0:47:41 | |
their breath. They don't know who is
next. You think you know someone. I | 0:47:41 | 0:47:51 | |
had an experience with somebody
that's terrific, and you have | 0:47:51 | 0:47:55 | |
experienced the same person and it's
dreadful. You never really know. And | 0:47:55 | 0:48:00 | |
when you are dealing with power and
money and dealing in a business, | 0:48:00 | 0:48:09 | |
these are all wild cards and you
don't really know what's going to | 0:48:09 | 0:48:11 | |
happen. It's not even a matter of,
why don't you just tell your agent. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:16 | |
Your agent can't make that decision.
They have to push it upstairs. The | 0:48:16 | 0:48:21 | |
same thing with your manager. You
say that, but Portia de Rossi said | 0:48:21 | 0:48:27 | |
in her tweet, her complaints about
Steven Seagal's behaviour were | 0:48:27 | 0:48:30 | |
dismissed at the time by her agent.
Isn't the onus on Hollywood agents | 0:48:30 | 0:48:35 | |
to do more to protect their clients?
It's like a supply chain. Every | 0:48:35 | 0:48:42 | |
single step along the way has to be
revisited. Typically come in a | 0:48:42 | 0:48:49 | |
corporate environment, you have an
HR department that has an entire | 0:48:49 | 0:48:53 | |
mechanism. It has a road map and has
the rules that you follow to | 0:48:53 | 0:48:58 | |
actually investigate anything to do
with sexual harassment on a job. You | 0:48:58 | 0:49:06 | |
don't have that where everybody is a
freelancer. Even if you have an | 0:49:06 | 0:49:10 | |
agent or manager, there is no
guarantee because he or she could | 0:49:10 | 0:49:14 | |
lose their job. They really just
want you to shut up and not rock the | 0:49:14 | 0:49:21 | |
boat. Thank you for speaking to us.
You have been getting in touch on | 0:49:21 | 0:49:28 | |
the stories we have been talking
about this morning. Theresa May's | 0:49:28 | 0:49:32 | |
week and the Brexit date and time
will be enshrined in law. Sarah on | 0:49:32 | 0:49:39 | |
Facebook says Brexit should not be
politicised to gain brownie points | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
for the Conservative Party. It
should be for the good of the | 0:49:42 | 0:49:45 | |
country as a whole. It should be a
consortium from across the country | 0:49:45 | 0:49:49 | |
from businesses to education
planning the Brexit strategy. Take | 0:49:49 | 0:49:53 | |
it away from politicians who are
only self-interested. Matt on | 0:49:53 | 0:49:58 | |
Facebook says Brexit day can't come
soon enough. Let it also be | 0:49:58 | 0:50:01 | |
enshrined as a public holiday. You
have also been talking about HPV, a | 0:50:01 | 0:50:08 | |
tweet from Mike, it's fantastic
girls get free vaccinations from | 0:50:08 | 0:50:12 | |
HPV, but boys need it as well.
Speaking as a man who has had HPV | 0:50:12 | 0:50:18 | |
related oral cancer. And an e-mail
from Helen, my mother and sister | 0:50:18 | 0:50:22 | |
both had cervical cancer and I had
banal cancer, the vaccine would have | 0:50:22 | 0:50:26 | |
helped us all. Coming up on the
programme, we are expecting the | 0:50:26 | 0:50:31 | |
ruling... | 0:50:31 | 0:50:35 | |
We're expecting the ruling
in a court case about whether Uber | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
drivers should be considered
employees and all the | 0:50:37 | 0:50:39 | |
entitlements that brings. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:40 | |
We'll speak to the driver
who brought the case. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:42 | |
It was one of the most
sensational ends to a football | 0:50:42 | 0:50:45 | |
season in history. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:46 | |
Let me take you back to Anfield,
the 26th of May 1989. | 0:50:46 | 0:50:51 | |
Liverpool are three points ahead
of their title rivals Arsenal - | 0:50:51 | 0:50:53 | |
crucially, their goal difference
is one better. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:56 | |
And by a twist of fate,
the fixture list has them playing | 0:50:56 | 0:50:59 | |
each other on the final day
of the season. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
To win the league, Arsenal
would have to not only do | 0:51:02 | 0:51:06 | |
what so many teams in the 1980s
thought was virtually unthinkable - | 0:51:06 | 0:51:11 | |
beat Liverpool at Anfield -
but they'd have to do it | 0:51:11 | 0:51:13 | |
by two clear goals. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
So, leading 1-0, into the last
minute of the game, it looked | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
like Arsenal had just fallen short. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:24 | |
If you are a Liverpool fan you might
want to turn away for a couple of | 0:51:24 | 0:51:27 | |
minutes. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:28 | |
Then a couple of long
balls up the pitch, | 0:51:28 | 0:51:30 | |
and Arsenal's Michael Thomas found
himself with just | 0:51:30 | 0:51:32 | |
Liverpool's keeper to beat. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:33 | |
He did.
And the Gunners won the title. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:35 | |
Hairs on the back
of your neck stuff. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:39 | |
Well, they've made a film about it-
called Arsenal 89 - | 0:51:39 | 0:51:41 | |
and one of the heroes of that day
is here now. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
But first let's take a look-
and a warning, this trailer | 0:51:44 | 0:51:46 | |
contains flashing images. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:51 | |
It's easily the best finish I have
ever seen in a football match. Ever. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:58 | |
Its 100 years since... | 0:51:58 | 0:52:03 | |
Liverpool were the team to beat. We
didn't want to fail. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:24 | |
We have to win by two clear goals.
Seriously! You think Liverpool are | 0:52:27 | 0:52:33 | |
going to win? Yeah, who's going to
beat them? LAUGHTER | 0:52:33 | 0:52:40 | |
Smith! | 0:52:40 | 0:52:43 | |
It was desire as well as technical
ability. Success, you will do | 0:52:47 | 0:52:53 | |
anything to get it. I can't
emphasise enough how the crowds... | 0:52:53 | 0:53:06 | |
One more goal and Arsenal will win
it. One minute to go. There must be | 0:53:06 | 0:53:15 | |
seconds left. Then it goes into slow
motion. Arsenal come streaming | 0:53:15 | 0:53:22 | |
forward in what will surely be the
last attack. I'm looking straight | 0:53:22 | 0:53:25 | |
down the pitch and I'm thinking,
this must be my time. What are you | 0:53:25 | 0:53:31 | |
doing? Kick it, I'm shouting. Isn't
it lovely to have moments in your | 0:53:31 | 0:53:39 | |
life where you think, nothing can
beat that. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:43 | |
Let's talk now to former Arsenal
and England defender Lee Dixon. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:49 | |
You were just saying that watching
the trailer, you still get goose | 0:53:49 | 0:53:53 | |
bumps. It gets me every time. I have
seen the finished version of the | 0:53:53 | 0:53:57 | |
film probably five or six times, but
even watching the trailer, I always | 0:53:57 | 0:54:01 | |
think he's going to miss, he's going
to hit the post and it's going to | 0:54:01 | 0:54:06 | |
come out and something bad is going
to happen, but it goes in every | 0:54:06 | 0:54:10 | |
time. Take this back to that day in
1989. The anticipation of what it | 0:54:10 | 0:54:17 | |
was like to play at Anfield. It was
an incredible season right | 0:54:17 | 0:54:22 | |
throughout, not only with what
happened at Hillsborough right in | 0:54:22 | 0:54:25 | |
the middle, which was hugely
emotional, but going to the end of | 0:54:25 | 0:54:28 | |
the season, we were top of the
league. Liverpool were this shadow | 0:54:28 | 0:54:32 | |
coming up behind us and winning
every game they played. We had a | 0:54:32 | 0:54:36 | |
wobble before the end of the season,
lost a game and drew at home. Going | 0:54:36 | 0:54:42 | |
to Anfield, I think because we
needed to win 2-0, strangely enough | 0:54:42 | 0:54:47 | |
it played in our favour. We were
quite relaxed. Underdogs? Yeah, it | 0:54:47 | 0:54:53 | |
is a David and Goliath thing. Deep
down we knew we could win, but in | 0:54:53 | 0:54:58 | |
our heads, certainly my head, I
thought if we get beat 4-0, nobody | 0:54:58 | 0:55:03 | |
will be surprised because Liverpool
were a juggernaut of a team who | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
could win every game they played. It
was an intimidating game but | 0:55:06 | 0:55:11 | |
strangely relaxing when we went onto
the pitch. The biggest moment was | 0:55:11 | 0:55:18 | |
handing over flowers before the
game. It was almost like handing | 0:55:18 | 0:55:23 | |
over... Hillsborough was in our
thoughts not only leading up to the | 0:55:23 | 0:55:26 | |
game but on the night as well.
Handing over the flowers was | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
symbolic for me. I was then allowed
to go back to playing football. It | 0:55:29 | 0:55:34 | |
was a big night in all ways. I have
seen it, and you get a sense in | 0:55:34 | 0:55:39 | |
watching it, because of Hillsborough
happening, and you say yourself in | 0:55:39 | 0:55:44 | |
it, you didn't think the league
would continue that here. I didn't, | 0:55:44 | 0:55:46 | |
and I didn't want it to. We had two
weeks where we didn't play. George | 0:55:46 | 0:55:54 | |
try to get us to come in to
training, but none of the lads were | 0:55:54 | 0:55:58 | |
interested. It was all going on in
the media as well. Why would | 0:55:58 | 0:56:04 | |
football matter, and why should it
matter? It didn't stop what you can | 0:56:04 | 0:56:09 | |
see how devastated you all were and
how devastated everyone was. -- it | 0:56:09 | 0:56:13 | |
didn't stop whites you can see how
devastated you all were... Stop | 0:56:13 | 0:56:20 | |
. It soured | 0:56:24 | 0:56:26 | |
it's our job to go out and play
football. You can go back to this | 0:56:30 | 0:56:34 | |
now. That's how your mind has to
work. You have a game every two or | 0:56:34 | 0:56:38 | |
three days with a match coming
round. The end of the season was | 0:56:38 | 0:56:42 | |
looming. The team ethic carried us
through a lot of dark times. We knew | 0:56:42 | 0:56:49 | |
we had the league, we threw it away
and it was our turn to try to win it | 0:56:49 | 0:56:53 | |
back in that game stop | 0:56:53 | 0:56:56 | |
. Was that the biggest game in our
store's history? It was for me. Even | 0:57:01 | 0:57:06 | |
kids now ask what the biggest memory
was. I say Anfield in 1989, and a | 0:57:06 | 0:57:12 | |
lot of them were not even born. I
would like to say I wasn't, but I | 0:57:12 | 0:57:17 | |
was. It pushes it into people's
memories again. Not only Arsenal | 0:57:17 | 0:57:21 | |
fans but football fans in general.
We were originally going to call the | 0:57:21 | 0:57:26 | |
film, the goal that changed
everything. Not only did it change | 0:57:26 | 0:57:30 | |
the Arsenal history, but it dented
Liverpool as well. Also the face of | 0:57:30 | 0:57:34 | |
football. Because it was after
Hillsborough, everything changed. We | 0:57:34 | 0:57:38 | |
changed it back to 89 because it was
shorter and symbolic. It's a film | 0:57:38 | 0:57:47 | |
about football and about the story
and as well as Arsenal. I look | 0:57:47 | 0:57:53 | |
forward to seeing it in its
entirety. We can get the weather | 0:57:53 | 0:57:58 | |
next with Nick Miller. | 0:57:58 | 0:57:59 | |
A lot of sunny weather around this
weekend, especially by Sunday, but | 0:58:02 | 0:58:07 | |
temperatures are coming down with
cold weather on the way. Looking at | 0:58:07 | 0:58:10 | |
your pictures from Friday's weather,
plenty of showers in Highland | 0:58:10 | 0:58:15 | |
Scotland but sunshine in between. A
glorious start day in Norfolk. There | 0:58:15 | 0:58:20 | |
are parts of England and Wales that
have started with rain but it has | 0:58:20 | 0:58:23 | |
cleared away south with increasing
sunshine across South Wales and | 0:58:23 | 0:58:28 | |
southern England. It still wet on
the ground but the sun has come out | 0:58:28 | 0:58:32 | |
and it will be a pleasant day. On
this north-westerly wind we will | 0:58:32 | 0:58:36 | |
have showers running into north-west
England, they'd some drifting into | 0:58:36 | 0:58:40 | |
the Midlands, maybe clip in Northern
Ireland and the north and west of | 0:58:40 | 0:58:43 | |
Scotland. A blustery start to the
day. Staying quite windy. The | 0:58:43 | 0:58:49 | |
showers might have hail and thunder.
Wintry in the hills above 300 | 0:58:49 | 0:58:53 | |
metres, but lots of sunshine in
south-east Scotland. It's a fine | 0:58:53 | 0:58:58 | |
Friday on the way for many of us, if
you dodge the showers that are out | 0:58:58 | 0:59:02 | |
there. The chilly wind will be
important, especially across | 0:59:02 | 0:59:08 | |
Scotland, northern England and
Northern Ireland. Into tonight, | 0:59:08 | 0:59:12 | |
temperatures dropping quite quickly
in Scotland as the wind uses. | 0:59:12 | 0:59:16 | |
Further clear spells and showers in
the North with a touch of Frost in | 0:59:16 | 0:59:19 | |
places. We could see a spell of rain
moving through this evening into | 0:59:19 | 0:59:26 | |
Northern Ireland, England and Wales
overnight. Temperatures holding up. | 0:59:26 | 0:59:29 | |
They could be some icy patches in
northern Scotland especially on | 0:59:29 | 0:59:33 | |
untreated higher routes after some
of those showers after temperatures | 0:59:33 | 0:59:36 | |
have dipped. Sunshine in northern
England, sunshine developing in | 0:59:36 | 0:59:41 | |
Northern Ireland and perhaps the
Midlands and East Anglia later in | 0:59:41 | 0:59:44 | |
the day. Large parts staying cloudy
in central and south England. Rain | 0:59:44 | 0:59:52 | |
in the south-west of England and
South Wales. Maybe as far east as | 0:59:52 | 0:59:56 | |
Sussex. It is chilly in the
sunshine. Some rain pepping up South | 0:59:56 | 1:00:04 | |
Wales and south England, but we
think that's gone by Sunday morning. | 1:00:04 | 1:00:09 | |
A cold bush of Arctic air from the
north on Sunday with temperatures | 1:00:09 | 1:00:13 | |
dipping for all of us. There will be
a lot of dry and sunny weather on | 1:00:13 | 1:00:20 | |
Sunday. The difference being that on
the North Sea coast, northern | 1:00:20 | 1:00:23 | |
Scotland, the Irish Sea coast, you
might see showers, but many of us | 1:00:23 | 1:00:27 | |
will have a sunny day. But
temperatures will dip and it will be | 1:00:27 | 1:00:30 | |
chilly. | 1:00:30 | 1:00:31 | |
Hello, it's Friday, it's 10am. | 1:00:35 | 1:00:39 | |
I'm Tina Daheley. | 1:00:39 | 1:00:41 | |
Theresa May says she wants to put
the date and time when the UK | 1:00:41 | 1:00:44 | |
will leave the EU into law. | 1:00:44 | 1:00:45 | |
It'll be 11pm on 29th March, 2019. | 1:00:45 | 1:00:47 | |
But former Conservative Deputy Prime
Minister Lord Heseltine told this | 1:00:47 | 1:00:54 | |
programme she's introducing
uncertainty at exactly | 1:00:54 | 1:00:55 | |
the wrong time. | 1:00:55 | 1:00:59 | |
Fixing in law the date will merely
accelerate people's decision to take | 1:00:59 | 1:01:04 | |
investment elsewhere,
not to make investment here. | 1:01:04 | 1:01:09 | |
Frankly, it's a panic measure,
reflecting the growing anxiety that | 1:01:09 | 1:01:12 | |
hostility to Brexit is growing. | 1:01:12 | 1:01:17 | |
Uber drivers will find out today
the outcome of the company's appeal | 1:01:17 | 1:01:20 | |
against a ruling saying drivers
should be classed as workers, | 1:01:20 | 1:01:23 | |
rather than self-employed. | 1:01:23 | 1:01:28 | |
We'll talk to one of the drivers
who brought the original case. | 1:01:28 | 1:01:31 | |
We're up against it,
we're up against an army of lawyers | 1:01:31 | 1:01:34 | |
an army of PR consultants,
an army of lobbyists. | 1:01:34 | 1:01:36 | |
But I think we'll prevail. | 1:01:36 | 1:01:40 | |
We will bring you the ruling when it
happens. | 1:01:40 | 1:01:43 | |
Potential victims of revenge porn
are being asked to send | 1:01:43 | 1:01:45 | |
Facebook their nude photos
so the company can use technology | 1:01:45 | 1:01:48 | |
to block former partners
from posting them online. | 1:01:48 | 1:01:49 | |
It's a pilot project in Australia. | 1:01:49 | 1:01:51 | |
We'll find out more. | 1:01:51 | 1:02:01 | |
Here's Rachel in the BBC Newsroom
with a summary of today's news. | 1:02:01 | 1:02:06 | |
The headlines from BBC News... | 1:02:06 | 1:02:09 | |
Theresa May has warned pro-EU
Conservatives that she will not | 1:02:09 | 1:02:11 | |
tolerate any attempts to block
the Brexit process. | 1:02:11 | 1:02:16 | |
In a sign of her intent,
she's outlined plans to enshrine | 1:02:16 | 1:02:18 | |
in law the exact moment that Britain
will leave the European Union - | 1:02:18 | 1:02:22 | |
11pm on 29th March, 2019. | 1:02:22 | 1:02:28 | |
But the man responsible for writing
the Article 50 withdrawal process, | 1:02:28 | 1:02:30 | |
cross-bench peer Lord John Kerr,
says Brexit could still be reversed. | 1:02:30 | 1:02:40 | |
While we're in, we're in. While the
divorce talks proceeds, the parties | 1:02:41 | 1:02:46 | |
are still married. Reconciliation is
still possible. The article requires | 1:02:46 | 1:02:51 | |
the parties to negotiate the
arrangements for our withdrawal, but | 1:02:51 | 1:02:58 | |
we are not required to withdraw just
because Mrs May sent her letter. We | 1:02:58 | 1:03:04 | |
can change our minds at any stage
during the process. | 1:03:04 | 1:03:08 | |
A new study is recommending that
women who have had the HPV vaccine | 1:03:08 | 1:03:11 | |
only need to have three smear tests
during their life, rather than | 1:03:11 | 1:03:14 | |
the 12 they're currently offered. | 1:03:14 | 1:03:17 | |
The vaccine, which helps prevent
against cervical cancer, | 1:03:17 | 1:03:22 | |
has been given to girls aged 11
to 13 since 2008. | 1:03:22 | 1:03:25 | |
The study, funded by Cancer Research
UK, comes ahead of proposed changed | 1:03:25 | 1:03:35 | |
-- changes to the NHS cervical
cancer screening programme | 1:03:36 | 1:03:38 | |
due to come in 2019. | 1:03:38 | 1:03:43 | |
Donald Trump has told Asia
and Pacific leaders America will no | 1:03:43 | 1:03:45 | |
longer tolerate what he calls
chronic trade abuses. | 1:03:45 | 1:03:48 | |
The US President is in Vietnam
at the Asia-Pacific Economic | 1:03:48 | 1:03:51 | |
Co-operation summit. | 1:03:51 | 1:03:52 | |
During a hard-hitting speech,
he said America was prepared to work | 1:03:52 | 1:03:55 | |
with countries in the region,
provided they abide | 1:03:55 | 1:03:57 | |
by what he called "fair
and reciprocal trade". | 1:03:57 | 1:04:02 | |
The French President Emmanuel Macron
is making an unscheduled visit | 1:04:02 | 1:04:05 | |
to Saudi Arabia to discuss
the crisis in Lebanon | 1:04:05 | 1:04:08 | |
after the Prime Minister,
Saad Hariri, resigned on Saturday. | 1:04:08 | 1:04:12 | |
Lebanon risks being the battleground
in the fight between the Saudis | 1:04:12 | 1:04:15 | |
and Iran for regional supremacy. | 1:04:15 | 1:04:19 | |
Saudi Arabia has told its citizens
to leave Lebanon immediately and not | 1:04:19 | 1:04:22 | |
to travel there from any country. | 1:04:22 | 1:04:26 | |
A police force is facing
a High Court challenge today | 1:04:26 | 1:04:31 | |
over its refusal to delete
the details of a teenaged boy | 1:04:31 | 1:04:33 | |
who sent a naked picture of himself
on social media to a girl | 1:04:33 | 1:04:36 | |
at his school. | 1:04:36 | 1:04:39 | |
The boy's mother is concerned that
Greater Manchester Police may | 1:04:39 | 1:04:41 | |
release the information to potential
employers when he's older. | 1:04:41 | 1:04:46 | |
Facebook's founding president has
said he's worried about the effect | 1:04:46 | 1:04:49 | |
the site is having on society. | 1:04:49 | 1:04:52 | |
Sean Parker, who says he no
longer uses social media, | 1:04:52 | 1:04:57 | |
said the network was built
on "exploiting a vulnerability | 1:04:57 | 1:04:59 | |
in human psychology",
and he was concerned | 1:04:59 | 1:05:01 | |
about what it was "doing
to children's brains". | 1:05:01 | 1:05:06 | |
The actor and producer Steven Seagal
is the latest Hollywood figure to be | 1:05:06 | 1:05:10 | |
accused of sexual harassment. | 1:05:10 | 1:05:12 | |
The actor Portia de Rossi,
who is married to the US talk show | 1:05:12 | 1:05:15 | |
host Ellen DeGeneres,
made the allegation in a tweet. | 1:05:15 | 1:05:19 | |
She claims that during a film
audition Mr Seagal told her "how | 1:05:19 | 1:05:22 | |
important it was to have chemistry
off-screen" before | 1:05:22 | 1:05:24 | |
unzipping his trousers. | 1:05:24 | 1:05:27 | |
Mr Seagal's manager told the BBC
that the actor had no comment. | 1:05:27 | 1:05:31 | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC
News - more at 10.30am. | 1:05:31 | 1:05:38 | |
Do get in touch with us
throughout the morning - | 1:05:38 | 1:05:41 | |
use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE. | 1:05:41 | 1:05:42 | |
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at the standard network rate. | 1:05:42 | 1:05:45 | |
Let's get the sport now with Damian. | 1:05:45 | 1:05:53 | |
Northern Ireland face an uphill test
to qualify for their first World Cup | 1:05:53 | 1:05:57 | |
since 1986 after a controversial
first leg play-off defeat to | 1:05:57 | 1:06:01 | |
Switzerland in Belfast. Northern
Ireland's Cory Evans was harshly | 1:06:01 | 1:06:04 | |
adjudged to have handled in the air,
the ball appeared to have struck him | 1:06:04 | 1:06:08 | |
on the bag or solder, but the
referee awarded a penalty and the | 1:06:08 | 1:06:12 | |
only goal of the game was scored
from the spot. The decision outraged | 1:06:12 | 1:06:16 | |
the Northern Ireland manager.
I thought he had given possibly an | 1:06:16 | 1:06:21 | |
offside or something, initially I
wasn't sure because, having hit Cory | 1:06:21 | 1:06:25 | |
, the ball did not go out for a
corner, you expect a corner, a | 1:06:25 | 1:06:29 | |
penalty in that situation, and to
book the player as well... I spent | 1:06:29 | 1:06:35 | |
three hours in a conference the
other week with Fifa on assisted | 1:06:35 | 1:06:42 | |
video refereeing and certainly when
you see what happened in IQ would be | 1:06:42 | 1:06:45 | |
an advocate of it. | 1:06:45 | 1:06:51 | |
Both England and Germany players
will wear black armbands | 1:06:51 | 1:06:53 | |
with poppies in remembrance
of fallen servicemen and women. | 1:06:53 | 1:06:55 | |
Fifa had previoiusly banned sporting
them and the home nations were fined | 1:06:55 | 1:06:58 | |
for doing so in November last year. | 1:06:58 | 1:07:00 | |
Fifa's argument had been
that it was a political gesture | 1:07:00 | 1:07:02 | |
but have now changed the rules
and allowed the wearing of poppies | 1:07:02 | 1:07:05 | |
if both teams are in agreement. | 1:07:05 | 1:07:07 | |
They will also be using video
assistant referee technology. | 1:07:07 | 1:07:09 | |
This is technology to
help the referee review | 1:07:09 | 1:07:11 | |
incidents like goals,
red cards, penalties. | 1:07:11 | 1:07:19 | |
It's Day Two of the one-off
Women's Ashes Test | 1:07:19 | 1:07:21 | |
match between England
and Australia in Sydney. | 1:07:21 | 1:07:22 | |
It's a must-win match for England,
because victory for Australia | 1:07:22 | 1:07:25 | |
will see them go 8-2 up
in the multi-format series, | 1:07:25 | 1:07:27 | |
and that will be enough to see
them regain the urn. | 1:07:27 | 1:07:30 | |
England's first innings came
to a close this morning for 280. | 1:07:30 | 1:07:33 | |
And the bowlers have made inroads,
with Sophie Ecclestone | 1:07:33 | 1:07:35 | |
doing the damage -
she took the wicket | 1:07:35 | 1:07:37 | |
of Beth Mooney first. | 1:07:37 | 1:07:38 | |
And then claimed the wicket
of Alex Blackwell to put | 1:07:38 | 1:07:41 | |
England in a good position. | 1:07:41 | 1:07:45 | |
They're currently 159-4. | 1:07:45 | 1:07:48 | |
Olympian Jess Varnish is suing UK
Sport and British Cycling. | 1:07:48 | 1:07:51 | |
A source close to the sprinter has
told BBC Sport her legal action | 1:07:51 | 1:07:55 | |
is based on claims she suffered sex
discrimination, detriment | 1:07:55 | 1:07:58 | |
for whistleblowing, victimisation
and unfair dismissal. | 1:07:58 | 1:08:01 | |
Varnish was dropped
from British Cycling's elite | 1:08:01 | 1:08:03 | |
programme last year,
after which former technical | 1:08:03 | 1:08:05 | |
director Shane Sutton
was found to have used sexist | 1:08:05 | 1:08:07 | |
language towards her. | 1:08:07 | 1:08:12 | |
Sutton resigned but was
later cleared of eight | 1:08:12 | 1:08:15 | |
out of nine allegations. | 1:08:15 | 1:08:18 | |
That is all the sport for now. | 1:08:18 | 1:08:20 | |
A decision in the appeal
of a landmark case is due this | 1:08:20 | 1:08:23 | |
morning which could have
implications for more | 1:08:23 | 1:08:25 | |
than a million workers. | 1:08:25 | 1:08:30 | |
The cab-hailing company Uber
appealed against a ruling that | 1:08:30 | 1:08:37 | |
says its drivers are workers
entitled to a range of benefits, | 1:08:37 | 1:08:41 | |
including paid holidays
and the national minimum wage, | 1:08:41 | 1:08:42 | |
rather than self-employed. | 1:08:42 | 1:08:44 | |
The case was originally brought
to an employment tribunal by two | 1:08:44 | 1:08:46 | |
of its drivers last year. | 1:08:46 | 1:08:48 | |
It has implications for more
than a million people employed | 1:08:48 | 1:08:54 | |
in the so-called 'gig economy'. | 1:08:54 | 1:08:57 | |
Uber maintains its drivers
are independent contractors, | 1:08:57 | 1:08:59 | |
and that the overwhelming majority
want to keep the freedom | 1:08:59 | 1:09:02 | |
of being their own boss. | 1:09:02 | 1:09:03 | |
We first broke the news of a group
of Uber drivers intention to take | 1:09:03 | 1:09:06 | |
the company to court back in 2015. | 1:09:06 | 1:09:08 | |
Here's a clip from Jim Reed's
original report, where he spoke | 1:09:08 | 1:09:11 | |
to James Farrar, one of the drivers
who brought the case, | 1:09:11 | 1:09:14 | |
and to one of Uber's bosses. | 1:09:14 | 1:09:19 | |
My average net in July
was three or five per hour, | 1:09:19 | 1:09:22 | |
well below minimum wage. | 1:09:22 | 1:09:23 | |
If you want to cover your costs
and keep the family afloat, | 1:09:23 | 1:09:26 | |
you have to work a lot of hours. | 1:09:26 | 1:09:28 | |
But at the end of the day
it is your choice? | 1:09:28 | 1:09:36 | |
You can work for someone
else, get another job? | 1:09:36 | 1:09:46 | |
Yes, it's true, but Uber has
come so aggressively | 1:09:53 | 1:09:55 | |
into the marketplace,
I think those opportunities | 1:09:55 | 1:09:56 | |
to work for other operators
are rapidly evaporating. | 1:09:56 | 1:09:58 | |
James and the other drivers involved
in the legal action say that the way | 1:09:58 | 1:10:02 | |
that Uber operates means
they are not really self-employed | 1:10:02 | 1:10:04 | |
entrepreneurs at all,
but working for the company | 1:10:04 | 1:10:06 | |
so they should get the rights
that go with that. | 1:10:06 | 1:10:08 | |
Flexibility. | 1:10:08 | 1:10:09 | |
Flexibility. | 1:10:09 | 1:10:10 | |
Flexibility. | 1:10:10 | 1:10:11 | |
Being able to log on and
log off as I please. | 1:10:11 | 1:10:14 | |
You can choose the hours. | 1:10:14 | 1:10:15 | |
It is only a small number taking
legal action and there are many | 1:10:15 | 1:10:19 | |
happy Uber drivers, as the company
points out in its marketing. | 1:10:19 | 1:10:22 | |
You can work whenever you want. | 1:10:22 | 1:10:23 | |
Money is going directly
into my account. | 1:10:23 | 1:10:25 | |
At Uber's new headquarters
in a skyscraper in London, | 1:10:25 | 1:10:27 | |
the boss says the new way of working
is all about choice. | 1:10:27 | 1:10:30 | |
Many of our drivers have moved
from traditional jobs | 1:10:30 | 1:10:32 | |
where they are required to work
prescribed shifts and a certain | 1:10:32 | 1:10:34 | |
number of hours per week. | 1:10:34 | 1:10:36 | |
It was difficult to take time off. | 1:10:36 | 1:10:37 | |
They have chosen to work with Uber
because of that flexibility. | 1:10:37 | 1:10:40 | |
The fact that you can work
literally whenever you want, | 1:10:40 | 1:10:42 | |
that is the flexibility
that the majority of Uber | 1:10:42 | 1:10:44 | |
drivers are looking for. | 1:10:44 | 1:10:46 | |
Can't you have flexibility
and have rights like holiday | 1:10:46 | 1:10:48 | |
pay and minimum wage? | 1:10:48 | 1:10:50 | |
Looking at what drivers
take home is something | 1:10:50 | 1:10:52 | |
we look at very carefully. | 1:10:52 | 1:10:53 | |
What we find is that most
of the drivers using the app take | 1:10:53 | 1:10:56 | |
home round about £15
or £16 per hour. | 1:10:56 | 1:11:06 | |
Their costs range considerably
if they rent or if they own, | 1:11:07 | 1:11:11 | |
as well as other factors. | 1:11:11 | 1:11:13 | |
The majority of them are actually
making around £10-£12 per hour. | 1:11:13 | 1:11:15 | |
Even after those costs. | 1:11:15 | 1:11:16 | |
Is there a danger here that
Uber as a company wants | 1:11:16 | 1:11:19 | |
to have its cake and eat it? | 1:11:19 | 1:11:21 | |
You want to treat these drivers
as self-employed entrepreneurs | 1:11:21 | 1:11:23 | |
but on the other hand
you want to tell them | 1:11:23 | 1:11:25 | |
exactly what to do? | 1:11:25 | 1:11:26 | |
Uber drivers are completely free
to work whenever and wherever | 1:11:26 | 1:11:29 | |
they want, so long as they live up
to the quality standards | 1:11:29 | 1:11:32 | |
on the platform. | 1:11:32 | 1:11:32 | |
Earlier I spoke to James Farrar,
the Uber driver who brought | 1:11:32 | 1:11:36 | |
the drivers' rights
case against the firm. | 1:11:36 | 1:11:40 | |
Olivia Dobbie,
a barrister and employment law | 1:11:40 | 1:11:45 | |
specialist. | 1:11:45 | 1:11:53 | |
And Emma, who drives for Uber
and thinks the drivers should not be | 1:11:53 | 1:11:56 | |
receiving employee benefits. | 1:11:56 | 1:11:57 | |
James, you won the tribunal
last year, how worried | 1:11:57 | 1:11:59 | |
are you about the outcome
of this appeal? | 1:11:59 | 1:12:01 | |
Well, I am naturally
concerned and anxious | 1:12:01 | 1:12:03 | |
to hear what happens today. | 1:12:03 | 1:12:04 | |
But in general, I am optimistic. | 1:12:04 | 1:12:05 | |
I think the law is on our side
and that justice is on our side. | 1:12:05 | 1:12:09 | |
You have to be a little bit mad
to take on a $70 billion corporation | 1:12:09 | 1:12:12 | |
and we're very lucky
to have the backing of our union, | 1:12:12 | 1:12:15 | |
the IWGP, to do that. | 1:12:15 | 1:12:16 | |
I think we're going to win,
but we are against it. | 1:12:16 | 1:12:20 | |
We're up against an army
of lawyers and PR consultants, | 1:12:20 | 1:12:22 | |
an army of lobbyists,
but I think we will prevail | 1:12:22 | 1:12:24 | |
because the law is on our side. | 1:12:24 | 1:12:26 | |
You're one of two drivers
who decided to take this | 1:12:26 | 1:12:28 | |
action in the first place,
taking on a company worth | 1:12:28 | 1:12:34 | |
more than $60 billion -
how confident were you at the time? | 1:12:34 | 1:12:37 | |
The decision to take
them on was over more | 1:12:37 | 1:12:39 | |
direct matters at hand. | 1:12:39 | 1:12:40 | |
Two things, really. | 1:12:40 | 1:12:49 | |
Earnings - if you do
the numbers for a second, | 1:12:49 | 1:12:51 | |
Uber say that the top
drivers, the top drivers, | 1:12:51 | 1:12:53 | |
and they published this,
earn £18 per hour. | 1:12:53 | 1:12:55 | |
If you break that down after
commission, it is 13.50 per hour. | 1:12:55 | 1:12:58 | |
Every hour I work, Uber earns
4.50, no matter what. | 1:12:58 | 1:13:02 | |
But, for me, that level of earnings
comes out to £650 per week. | 1:13:02 | 1:13:12 | |
I always have £400 a week to cover -
200-250 per week for the vehicle | 1:13:13 | 1:13:20 | |
and insurance, and 200-250 for fuel. | 1:13:20 | 1:13:22 | |
That leaves you earning
about £5 per hour. | 1:13:22 | 1:13:24 | |
What difference would it make
if you were considered an employee | 1:13:24 | 1:13:26 | |
instead of self-employed? | 1:13:26 | 1:13:27 | |
I am self-employed. | 1:13:27 | 1:13:28 | |
The case is not
becoming an employee. | 1:13:28 | 1:13:30 | |
It's about being a self-employed
worker with special protections. | 1:13:30 | 1:13:32 | |
To earn at least the minimum wage
and to have holiday pay. | 1:13:32 | 1:13:35 | |
That's the key
distinction, isn't it? | 1:13:35 | 1:13:43 | |
If you're an employee you get
workers' rights like sick pay, | 1:13:43 | 1:13:46 | |
holiday pay and the minimum wage. | 1:13:46 | 1:13:47 | |
Emma, I want to bring you in. | 1:13:47 | 1:13:54 | |
You're an Uber driver -
do you not want to be | 1:13:54 | 1:13:57 | |
paid minimum wage? | 1:13:57 | 1:13:58 | |
Get sick pay and holiday pay? | 1:13:58 | 1:13:59 | |
I earn more than minimum wage. | 1:13:59 | 1:14:01 | |
I do earn about £18 per hour
after they take commission. | 1:14:01 | 1:14:08 | |
It is a pot luck thing,
what jobs you get, | 1:14:08 | 1:14:10 | |
but I kind of quite like that. | 1:14:10 | 1:14:12 | |
Sometimes you get loads of little
jobs and sometimes bigger jobs. | 1:14:12 | 1:14:14 | |
I'm not really sure. | 1:14:14 | 1:14:17 | |
I agree with so much of what James
says, however I am quite happy | 1:14:17 | 1:14:21 | |
to be self-employed. | 1:14:21 | 1:14:25 | |
I pay £2 per week to have
sickness benefits with | 1:14:25 | 1:14:35 | |
a partner of Uber's, IPSE. | 1:14:35 | 1:14:45 | |
I don't know what the advantage
is with minimum wage. | 1:14:49 | 1:14:52 | |
I don't really understand,
to be honest. | 1:14:52 | 1:14:58 | |
Olivia, what could this appeal
be relevant to the gig | 1:14:58 | 1:15:01 | |
economy, not just for Uber? | 1:15:01 | 1:15:02 | |
Some confusion has come
across in this panel | 1:15:02 | 1:15:04 | |
even if I may say so. | 1:15:04 | 1:15:05 | |
It is the distinction in law
between a self-employed contractor, | 1:15:05 | 1:15:08 | |
and employee, at one end
of the spectrum, and this | 1:15:08 | 1:15:10 | |
intermediate category
of what we call a worker. | 1:15:10 | 1:15:12 | |
The Uber decision that came out last
year did not find that Uber | 1:15:12 | 1:15:15 | |
drivers are employees. | 1:15:15 | 1:15:16 | |
It was quite a striking finding. | 1:15:16 | 1:15:18 | |
It simply found that the workers
which is an intermediate category | 1:15:18 | 1:15:20 | |
which means they are entitled
to basic minimum floor | 1:15:20 | 1:15:23 | |
of employee protection rights. | 1:15:23 | 1:15:23 | |
Those rights include the right
to paid holiday, minimum rest breaks | 1:15:23 | 1:15:26 | |
and national minimum wage. | 1:15:26 | 1:15:27 | |
How is that different
to an employee? | 1:15:27 | 1:15:29 | |
An employee has a higher
level of protection. | 1:15:29 | 1:15:31 | |
Unfair dismissal, protection against
redundancy and other rights as well. | 1:15:31 | 1:15:33 | |
If I can describe it as a spectrum,
you have got a self-employed | 1:15:33 | 1:15:37 | |
contracter at one end,
entirely running their own business. | 1:15:37 | 1:15:40 | |
You have got the employees
at the other end who benefit | 1:15:40 | 1:15:42 | |
from the full protection of rights,
and workers in the middle | 1:15:42 | 1:15:45 | |
who have a sort of minimum bundle
of rights which includes minimum | 1:15:45 | 1:15:48 | |
wage and paid time off for holiday. | 1:15:48 | 1:15:49 | |
The decision last year did not mean
that Uber drivers were entitled | 1:15:49 | 1:15:52 | |
to protection for unfair dismissal
or redundancy pay. | 1:15:52 | 1:15:54 | |
It equally does not mean that Uber
can control them day-to-day. | 1:15:54 | 1:15:58 | |
As workers, they still retain a high
degree of flexibility to reject | 1:15:58 | 1:16:03 | |
work, not log on to the app
if they don't want to, | 1:16:03 | 1:16:06 | |
but, when they do, the time
that they spent at work, | 1:16:06 | 1:16:11 | |
they will be accruing pay
for holiday, which they can | 1:16:11 | 1:16:13 | |
take at a later date. | 1:16:13 | 1:16:15 | |
I think confusion has arisen
about the implication | 1:16:15 | 1:16:21 | |
of the decisions last year
and what they actually are. | 1:16:21 | 1:16:23 | |
The appeal was held at the back end
of September and the decision | 1:16:23 | 1:16:26 | |
is coming out this morning. | 1:16:26 | 1:16:27 | |
That was Uber challenging the
findings that drivers are workers. | 1:16:27 | 1:16:30 | |
Why? | 1:16:30 | 1:16:31 | |
There is a cost for Uber. | 1:16:31 | 1:16:37 | |
If they have to pay holiday pay,
that is going to increase the costs | 1:16:37 | 1:16:40 | |
of what they have to pay drivers. | 1:16:40 | 1:16:44 | |
There will be a physical cost
in monetary terms but also | 1:16:44 | 1:16:47 | |
an administrative cost trying
to work out what holiday to pay each | 1:16:47 | 1:16:50 | |
worker and then to pay that holiday. | 1:16:50 | 1:16:52 | |
There is a clear business reason why
they would not want to do that. | 1:16:52 | 1:16:55 | |
I can only think that
is the prime reason. | 1:16:55 | 1:16:57 | |
I understand that Uber has
suggested that a majority | 1:16:57 | 1:17:00 | |
if not all of their drivers get
minimum wage anyway. | 1:17:00 | 1:17:02 | |
I don't know how accurate
that is because I have | 1:17:02 | 1:17:04 | |
not looked at the data. | 1:17:04 | 1:17:06 | |
But I understand that some
people challenge that. | 1:17:06 | 1:17:08 | |
If that is the case then
additional cost is required | 1:17:08 | 1:17:10 | |
to guarantee minimum wage. | 1:17:10 | 1:17:21 | |
Which way do you think
the appeal will go? | 1:17:21 | 1:17:23 | |
I would be surprised
if Uber were successful. | 1:17:23 | 1:17:25 | |
I say that because there seems to be
a trend of cases coming | 1:17:25 | 1:17:28 | |
through at the moment with similar
scenarios where workers | 1:17:28 | 1:17:34 | |
in the gig economy, couriers,
drivers and delivery people, | 1:17:34 | 1:17:37 | |
for example, are being recognised
as having a basic minimum floor | 1:17:37 | 1:17:39 | |
of employment rights. | 1:17:39 | 1:17:40 | |
Being workers in law. | 1:17:40 | 1:17:41 | |
I would be quite surprised
if Uber succeed. | 1:17:41 | 1:17:43 | |
If they failed, what will
the implications be for other | 1:17:43 | 1:17:46 | |
workers working in the gig economy? | 1:17:46 | 1:17:52 | |
Any legal decision is
about the people that | 1:17:52 | 1:17:54 | |
brought the decision. | 1:17:54 | 1:17:55 | |
It is going to be exclusive
to the claimants in that case. | 1:17:55 | 1:17:59 | |
It will have a wider
political impact, perhaps, | 1:17:59 | 1:18:02 | |
we might get other companies
recognising that the way | 1:18:02 | 1:18:05 | |
that they run the platform
is similar to what we have in Uber | 1:18:05 | 1:18:09 | |
so they might start to choose
to give their workers, | 1:18:09 | 1:18:15 | |
identifying them as workers
and giving them employment | 1:18:15 | 1:18:17 | |
protection rights. | 1:18:17 | 1:18:18 | |
It is ultimately only about those
that brought the case | 1:18:18 | 1:18:21 | |
and the decision is
only binding on those. | 1:18:21 | 1:18:23 | |
Emma, we have some
context from Olivia. | 1:18:23 | 1:18:26 | |
If, as Olivia says, you can
still choose when you work | 1:18:26 | 1:18:28 | |
and which jobs to accept
but you also get the benefits | 1:18:28 | 1:18:31 | |
of things like sick pay
and a guarantee for your wages, | 1:18:31 | 1:18:34 | |
what is the harm in that? | 1:18:34 | 1:18:38 | |
I think I would be tied in more. | 1:18:38 | 1:18:43 | |
There are other platforms out there,
other companies that you can work | 1:18:43 | 1:18:48 | |
for where you can get some regular
routine, know what you are getting. | 1:18:48 | 1:18:51 | |
That is not what I
signed up to Uber for. | 1:18:51 | 1:18:55 | |
I understood what I was signing for. | 1:18:55 | 1:18:59 | |
It was attractive to me
because I did not know | 1:18:59 | 1:19:01 | |
where I was going when I picked
up a passenger. | 1:19:01 | 1:19:06 | |
It was quite an adventure. | 1:19:06 | 1:19:10 | |
I like people, I like driving. | 1:19:10 | 1:19:11 | |
I am not sure of the advantages. | 1:19:11 | 1:19:13 | |
I am not really understanding
what those are. | 1:19:13 | 1:19:22 | |
Even with this whole
wonderful explanation, | 1:19:22 | 1:19:25 | |
I just feel that I would be tied
in more and the impact of greater | 1:19:25 | 1:19:28 | |
administration costs
is going to, I feel, | 1:19:28 | 1:19:32 | |
come back on us, or the passengers
at some point, somehow. | 1:19:32 | 1:19:35 | |
James, can you understand
how Emma feels? | 1:19:35 | 1:19:37 | |
I can. | 1:19:37 | 1:19:40 | |
But let me tell you
a different story. | 1:19:40 | 1:19:48 | |
One of the co-claimants,
a good friend of mine, | 1:19:48 | 1:19:50 | |
involved in this case,
has a child who is very sick and is | 1:19:50 | 1:19:53 | |
in Great Ormond Street Hospital. | 1:19:53 | 1:19:54 | |
The family is almost
residential there. | 1:19:54 | 1:19:55 | |
This is during the child's illness. | 1:19:55 | 1:19:57 | |
He has to make the payments
on his vehicle every week | 1:19:57 | 1:20:00 | |
whether he is working or not. | 1:20:00 | 1:20:01 | |
For him to have paid holidays,
for him to be guaranteed the minimum | 1:20:01 | 1:20:04 | |
wage when he does work,
would mean so much for that family | 1:20:04 | 1:20:07 | |
in terms of social security
and security for that family. | 1:20:07 | 1:20:09 | |
I can understand that Emma might not
want these rights but other people | 1:20:09 | 1:20:13 | |
desperately need them. | 1:20:13 | 1:20:14 | |
What about the impact on prices? | 1:20:14 | 1:20:18 | |
When you talk about the business
model, if Uber is going to have | 1:20:18 | 1:20:24 | |
to pay more to cover those extra
things, it probably would | 1:20:24 | 1:20:27 | |
have the knock-on effect
of driving up the costs | 1:20:27 | 1:20:29 | |
and prices for customers? | 1:20:29 | 1:20:33 | |
I think that is likely. | 1:20:33 | 1:20:38 | |
I do not know how they will manage
to subsume the cost | 1:20:38 | 1:20:41 | |
in the business model. | 1:20:41 | 1:20:42 | |
It may be that they take slightly
less profit in order to cover | 1:20:42 | 1:20:45 | |
the costs themselves. | 1:20:45 | 1:20:46 | |
I anticipate there will have
to be an increase in | 1:20:46 | 1:20:48 | |
price for the customer. | 1:20:48 | 1:20:52 | |
In reality, some
analysis has been done. | 1:20:52 | 1:20:57 | |
At present fares the customer
is only paying about | 1:20:57 | 1:20:59 | |
60% of the true cost. | 1:20:59 | 1:21:00 | |
The reality is that there has been
a lot of venture capital money put | 1:21:00 | 1:21:04 | |
into this for companies like Uber
to literally acquire the market, | 1:21:04 | 1:21:06 | |
through referral bonuses and so on. | 1:21:06 | 1:21:08 | |
The fares are unrealistically
low at the moment. | 1:21:08 | 1:21:16 | |
If you are used to paying a fiver
to get from A to B they are not | 1:21:16 | 1:21:21 | |
going to want to pay more. | 1:21:21 | 1:21:22 | |
That is true. | 1:21:22 | 1:21:23 | |
The problem is that the bus
ridership is at the lowest it has | 1:21:23 | 1:21:26 | |
been in London for ten years. | 1:21:26 | 1:21:27 | |
We are pulling people off the public
transportation system. | 1:21:27 | 1:21:30 | |
Congestion is up. | 1:21:30 | 1:21:31 | |
Air quality is the worst
it has been in London. | 1:21:31 | 1:21:33 | |
We can't run a public transportation
system... | 1:21:33 | 1:21:35 | |
Do you think the public
would be willing to pay more | 1:21:35 | 1:21:38 | |
if they knew it meant
better rights for workers? | 1:21:38 | 1:21:40 | |
I am certain they would. | 1:21:40 | 1:21:43 | |
Where to begin. | 1:21:43 | 1:21:46 | |
There is a reason why
the buses are empty. | 1:21:46 | 1:21:48 | |
Woman, contrary to the aggressive
attacks by London cabs | 1:21:48 | 1:21:50 | |
at the moment against Uber,
women feel safer in Ubers. | 1:21:50 | 1:21:53 | |
Not on public transport. | 1:21:53 | 1:21:57 | |
There is no protection for some
public transport. | 1:21:57 | 1:21:59 | |
You can get assaulted
on buses and trains. | 1:21:59 | 1:22:02 | |
TfL are not addressing that. | 1:22:02 | 1:22:05 | |
That is in your opinion because we
cannot speak for all women. | 1:22:05 | 1:22:08 | |
Listening to a lot of women,
talking to a lot of women, | 1:22:08 | 1:22:11 | |
I have lots of passengers talking
to me about it. | 1:22:11 | 1:22:13 | |
I feel very strongly about it. | 1:22:13 | 1:22:23 | |
I have been supported
through all my work at Grenfell over | 1:22:24 | 1:22:27 | |
the last five and a half months. | 1:22:27 | 1:22:28 | |
I look to self-employment
and being supported by Uber | 1:22:28 | 1:22:31 | |
which they have done amazingly
as well as you telling the story, | 1:22:31 | 1:22:36 | |
I am sorry to hear about that driver
with the children in Great | 1:22:36 | 1:22:39 | |
Ormond Street Hospital. | 1:22:39 | 1:22:40 | |
We are all working
against something. | 1:22:40 | 1:22:42 | |
I haven't found fault with Uber
in the support they have given me. | 1:22:42 | 1:22:45 | |
And the car company
that I rent from. | 1:22:45 | 1:22:47 | |
Thank you very much indeed. | 1:22:47 | 1:22:50 | |
Still to come... | 1:22:50 | 1:22:55 | |
Would you send Facebook your naked
photographs if it meant they could | 1:22:55 | 1:22:58 | |
be blocked from being uploaded as
revenge pawn? We're looking at a | 1:22:58 | 1:23:05 | |
pilot in Australia. | 1:23:05 | 1:23:08 | |
He thought he was being fast-tracked
to a career as a Chief Constable, | 1:23:08 | 1:23:11 | |
but instead, Mark Dias,
an Asian officer working | 1:23:11 | 1:23:13 | |
for Cleveland Police
was systematically bullied | 1:23:13 | 1:23:14 | |
by the force. | 1:23:14 | 1:23:15 | |
This week, he was awarded
half-a-million pounds | 1:23:15 | 1:23:17 | |
in compensation, after his own
colleagues spied on him | 1:23:17 | 1:23:19 | |
and eventually tried to bring
criminal charges against him. | 1:23:19 | 1:23:21 | |
Why? | 1:23:21 | 1:23:23 | |
Because he blew the whistle
on what he believed we elements | 1:23:23 | 1:23:25 | |
of institutionalized racism
within the force. | 1:23:25 | 1:23:27 | |
Earlier I spoke to Mark
and asked him what happened | 1:23:27 | 1:23:30 | |
when he was in the force. | 1:23:30 | 1:23:37 | |
We started to see certain sets
of conduct around Asian officers, | 1:23:37 | 1:23:40 | |
specifically it was emanating
from the professional | 1:23:40 | 1:23:42 | |
standards department. | 1:23:42 | 1:23:45 | |
What was happening was if officers
complained about racial | 1:23:45 | 1:23:50 | |
discrimination, all of a sudden
fabricated investigations | 1:23:50 | 1:23:52 | |
were being made against them. | 1:23:52 | 1:23:54 | |
And we complained about that. | 1:23:54 | 1:24:00 | |
In 2010 I became the enemy, I became
the target of their venom and became | 1:24:00 | 1:24:04 | |
part of their investigation track,
and I was put under criminal | 1:24:04 | 1:24:07 | |
investigation for whistle-blowing
about institutional racism. | 1:24:07 | 1:24:11 | |
You talk about conduct,
you talk about institutional racism, | 1:24:11 | 1:24:16 | |
without using any offensive terms,
can you give me some concrete | 1:24:16 | 1:24:18 | |
examples of the type
of behaviour you witnessed? | 1:24:18 | 1:24:23 | |
Asian officers would be
subject to fabricated | 1:24:23 | 1:24:29 | |
internal investigations,
conduct investigations and criminal | 1:24:29 | 1:24:33 | |
investigations by the professional
standards department, | 1:24:33 | 1:24:36 | |
which was known by the legal
department as well. | 1:24:36 | 1:24:39 | |
Asian officers would be watched,
they would be put under | 1:24:39 | 1:24:42 | |
internal surveillance. | 1:24:42 | 1:24:45 | |
Asian officers would be given jobs
which were impossible to complete. | 1:24:45 | 1:24:49 | |
Asian officers would be placed
on one shift so that they could be | 1:24:49 | 1:24:54 | |
watched en masse, rather
than being distributed | 1:24:54 | 1:24:56 | |
across the district. | 1:24:56 | 1:25:01 | |
Those are just some examples that
come to mind of the kind of conduct | 1:25:01 | 1:25:06 | |
that we were experiencing. | 1:25:06 | 1:25:11 | |
You talk about, Mark, "they". | 1:25:11 | 1:25:12 | |
What about you? | 1:25:12 | 1:25:13 | |
I pretty much suffered as well. | 1:25:13 | 1:25:17 | |
I was given work that was impossible
to do, and impossible not just | 1:25:17 | 1:25:20 | |
because of my own reference
but because other people were | 1:25:20 | 1:25:23 | |
telling me it was impossible to do. | 1:25:23 | 1:25:26 | |
I was placed on a shift
in Middlesbrough with every | 1:25:26 | 1:25:28 | |
other Asian officer
within the response units. | 1:25:28 | 1:25:31 | |
What does that mean? | 1:25:31 | 1:25:33 | |
What did that mean? | 1:25:33 | 1:25:34 | |
Why was that significant? | 1:25:34 | 1:25:38 | |
So you had around about five Asian
officers in the Middlesbrough | 1:25:38 | 1:25:40 | |
district at one time. | 1:25:40 | 1:25:42 | |
And all of those Asian
officers were put on one | 1:25:42 | 1:25:45 | |
shift in Middlesbrough
so that they could be watched. | 1:25:45 | 1:25:50 | |
So you had a situation
where a particular shift had 25% | 1:25:50 | 1:25:55 | |
constitution of Asian officers,
and no other Asian officer | 1:25:55 | 1:25:57 | |
was on any other shift
in the Middlesbrough district | 1:25:57 | 1:26:00 | |
at that time. | 1:26:00 | 1:26:01 | |
So you're talking about and giving
us examples of how you were treated | 1:26:01 | 1:26:06 | |
by your superiors, people
in positions of power over you. | 1:26:06 | 1:26:10 | |
How were you treated
by people on your same level | 1:26:10 | 1:26:12 | |
or a level below you? | 1:26:12 | 1:26:15 | |
Oh, with the greatest level
of support, in the main. | 1:26:15 | 1:26:21 | |
People who worked with me,
people who supported me actually | 1:26:21 | 1:26:25 | |
were victimised themselves
because of their support, not only | 1:26:25 | 1:26:28 | |
for me but for other Asian officers. | 1:26:28 | 1:26:31 | |
In particular the Police Federation,
who supported us in Cleveland, | 1:26:31 | 1:26:34 | |
were all targeted for unlawful
investigations because of their | 1:26:34 | 1:26:37 | |
support for Asian officers. | 1:26:37 | 1:26:39 | |
Given what you've talked about,
the experiences you went through, | 1:26:39 | 1:26:43 | |
how you say Asian officers
were treated, why did you then | 1:26:43 | 1:26:46 | |
decide to go public? | 1:26:46 | 1:26:51 | |
In February 2012 the then-Chief
Constable Jacqui Cheer admitted | 1:26:51 | 1:26:53 | |
there was institutional racism
in Cleveland Police. | 1:26:53 | 1:26:58 | |
But in April of that year another
Chief Constable actually stated that | 1:26:58 | 1:27:01 | |
no racism existed in Cleveland
Police. | 1:27:01 | 1:27:06 | |
My challenge publicly,
I did this at that time anonymously, | 1:27:06 | 1:27:08 | |
was to say that that
statement was incorrect. | 1:27:08 | 1:27:14 | |
You were illegally monitored. | 1:27:14 | 1:27:19 | |
How did you find out -
what happened? | 1:27:19 | 1:27:21 | |
We heard that there had been
surveillance, but we had no proof. | 1:27:21 | 1:27:25 | |
So I conducted an investigation
into Cleveland Police | 1:27:25 | 1:27:27 | |
from outside the police service. | 1:27:27 | 1:27:32 | |
Hang on, you say you'd heard
there'd been surveillance. | 1:27:32 | 1:27:34 | |
That is shocking to hear. | 1:27:34 | 1:27:36 | |
So you'd heard that, what,
your phone was being tapped? | 1:27:36 | 1:27:39 | |
We'd heard that there was a lot more
surveillance than just the phone. | 1:27:39 | 1:27:42 | |
We'd heard that Asian
officers had been put under | 1:27:42 | 1:27:44 | |
intrusive surveillance. | 1:27:44 | 1:27:45 | |
Their homes, their cars
and also their telephones. | 1:27:45 | 1:27:49 | |
It turns out for me
it was just my telephone. | 1:27:49 | 1:27:54 | |
And we'd heard that information,
so we'd used that and started | 1:27:54 | 1:27:57 | |
an investigation against Cleveland
Police. | 1:27:57 | 1:27:59 | |
You... | 1:27:59 | 1:28:01 | |
I know you can't talk
about the settlement, | 1:28:01 | 1:28:04 | |
but this has been settled,
nine years after you left. | 1:28:04 | 1:28:07 | |
How has this affected
you in that time? | 1:28:07 | 1:28:16 | |
So it's five years since I left... | 1:28:16 | 1:28:20 | |
Five years since you left. | 1:28:20 | 1:28:22 | |
It's been consuming,
working and also trying to manage | 1:28:22 | 1:28:28 | |
an investigation against a police
force, developing litigation that | 1:28:28 | 1:28:30 | |
you had to be sure was going to be
successful and being able | 1:28:30 | 1:28:34 | |
to navigate all that process
whilst being excluded | 1:28:34 | 1:28:35 | |
from the police service. | 1:28:35 | 1:28:38 | |
But as well it's been very
difficult, it's been very hard, | 1:28:38 | 1:28:40 | |
but I think now we're in a position
where it was worth it | 1:28:40 | 1:28:44 | |
and we've actually got
to a point of resolution. | 1:28:44 | 1:28:46 | |
Do you think the police force has
changed in that time, | 1:28:46 | 1:28:49 | |
including Cleveland Police? | 1:28:49 | 1:28:54 | |
I don't think Cleveland Police
is an example of the police service, | 1:28:54 | 1:28:59 | |
and everywhere that I worked
within the police service | 1:28:59 | 1:29:01 | |
would say that Cleveland
Police is very unique. | 1:29:01 | 1:29:03 | |
And it has a legacy of which it has
not been able to evolve from. | 1:29:03 | 1:29:08 | |
From my view in Cleveland Police,
there is a lot of talk about change, | 1:29:08 | 1:29:11 | |
but fundamentally the wrongdoers,
those people identified | 1:29:11 | 1:29:14 | |
of wrongdoing in Cleveland Police,
have not been dealt with. | 1:29:14 | 1:29:16 | |
And that's still the same today. | 1:29:16 | 1:29:24 | |
Chief Constable Iain Spittal
says what happened to | 1:29:24 | 1:29:26 | |
you up to 2013 doesn't
reflect the positive | 1:29:26 | 1:29:28 | |
and professional organisational
behaviours of 2017. | 1:29:28 | 1:29:30 | |
He's also said that Cleveland Police
has moved forward significantly. | 1:29:30 | 1:29:32 | |
So you're saying you
disagree with that? | 1:29:32 | 1:29:34 | |
I can only talk... | 1:29:34 | 1:29:38 | |
I'm not in Cleveland Police today,
so I can talk about what I can see, | 1:29:38 | 1:29:41 | |
and I can see that those people
who have done wrong, | 1:29:41 | 1:29:44 | |
those people who should be
investigated, have not been | 1:29:44 | 1:29:46 | |
investigated or dealt with. | 1:29:46 | 1:29:48 | |
What would your message
be to them now? | 1:29:48 | 1:29:53 | |
I think those people need to be
aware that this process are dealing | 1:29:53 | 1:29:57 | |
I think those people need to be
aware that this process of dealing | 1:29:57 | 1:30:00 | |
with those wrongdoers is not over
with, and we will continue | 1:30:00 | 1:30:02 | |
until we get justice. | 1:30:02 | 1:30:04 | |
Chief Constable Iain Spittal
sent us a statement. | 1:30:04 | 1:30:06 | |
He said... | 1:30:06 | 1:30:08 | |
"The matters settled
with Mr Dias relate to things | 1:30:13 | 1:30:16 | |
which occurred up to January 2013. | 1:30:16 | 1:30:17 | |
They are not reflective
of the positive and professional | 1:30:17 | 1:30:19 | |
organisational behaviours present
in the Force today. | 1:30:19 | 1:30:21 | |
Cleveland Police has moved forwards
significantly.Along with the PCC, | 1:30:21 | 1:30:23 | |
I have led a programme of work
called Everyone Matters. | 1:30:23 | 1:30:25 | |
People tell me from within
and outside the organisation | 1:30:25 | 1:30:28 | |
that this is having a strong
and long-lasting impact. | 1:30:28 | 1:30:31 | |
Over the years that I have worked
with Cleveland Police, | 1:30:31 | 1:30:35 | |
I have seen more officers achieve
promotion and advancement | 1:30:35 | 1:30:41 | |
from under-represented groups. | 1:30:41 | 1:30:43 | |
Still to come... | 1:30:47 | 1:30:48 | |
A 14-year-old boy who sent a naked
picture of himself to a girl | 1:30:48 | 1:30:51 | |
at school has been put on a police
database for the crime | 1:30:51 | 1:30:54 | |
of making and distributing
indecent images of a child. | 1:30:54 | 1:30:56 | |
We'll look at the legal challenge
to get this record deleted. | 1:30:56 | 1:31:03 | |
Saturn and Spanghero's memoir, The
Top, is about to hit our screens, we | 1:31:03 | 1:31:09 | |
will speak to the actor playing the
lead role. | 1:31:09 | 1:31:16 | |
Time for the latest news -
here's Rachel Schofield. | 1:31:16 | 1:31:18 | |
The headlines from BBC News... | 1:31:18 | 1:31:19 | |
Theresa May has warned pro-EU
Conservatives that she will not | 1:31:19 | 1:31:21 | |
tolerate any attempts to block
the Brexit process. | 1:31:21 | 1:31:23 | |
In a sign of her intent,
she's outlined plans to enshrine | 1:31:23 | 1:31:27 | |
in law the exact moment that Britain
will leave the European Union - | 1:31:27 | 1:31:30 | |
11pm on 29th March, 2019. | 1:31:30 | 1:31:35 | |
But the man responsible for writing
the Article 50 withdrawal process, | 1:31:35 | 1:31:43 | |
cross-bench peer Lord Kerr,
says Brexit could still be reversed. | 1:31:43 | 1:31:47 | |
A new study is recommending that
women who have had the HPV vaccine | 1:31:47 | 1:31:51 | |
only need to have three smear tests
during their life, rather than | 1:31:51 | 1:31:55 | |
the 12 they're currently offered. | 1:31:55 | 1:32:00 | |
The vaccine, which helps prevent
against cervical cancer, | 1:32:00 | 1:32:06 | |
has been given to girls aged 11
to 13 since 2008. | 1:32:06 | 1:32:14 | |
The study, funded by Cancer Research
UK, comes ahead of proposed changed | 1:32:14 | 1:32:17 | |
to the NHS cervical cancer screening
programme due to come in 2019. | 1:32:17 | 1:32:19 | |
Cancer Research UK's Nicola Smith
told this programme why some | 1:32:19 | 1:32:22 | |
screening is still important. | 1:32:22 | 1:32:24 | |
The HPV vaccine only protects about
70% of infections with HBV says that | 1:32:24 | 1:32:29 | |
is why it is important that these
girls still have some smears, | 1:32:29 | 1:32:32 | |
because there is still a chance that
they will get the other HPV types we | 1:32:32 | 1:32:37 | |
are not protecting against. | 1:32:37 | 1:32:39 | |
Donald Trump has told Asia
and Pacific leaders America will no | 1:32:39 | 1:32:42 | |
longer tolerate what he calls
chronic trade abuses. | 1:32:42 | 1:32:44 | |
The US President is in Vietnam
at the Asia-Pacific Economic | 1:32:44 | 1:32:46 | |
Co-operation summit. | 1:32:46 | 1:32:56 | |
During a hard-hitting speech,
he said America was prepared to work | 1:32:57 | 1:33:00 | |
with countries in the region,
provided they abide | 1:33:00 | 1:33:02 | |
by what he called "fair
and reciprocal trade". | 1:33:02 | 1:33:04 | |
Facebook's founding president has
said he's worried about the effect | 1:33:04 | 1:33:06 | |
the site is having on society. | 1:33:06 | 1:33:13 | |
Sean Parker, who says he no
longer uses social media, | 1:33:13 | 1:33:15 | |
said the network was built
on "exploiting a vulnerability | 1:33:15 | 1:33:17 | |
in human psychology",
and he was concerned | 1:33:17 | 1:33:19 | |
about what it was "doing
to children's brains". | 1:33:19 | 1:33:27 | |
That's a summary of
the latest BBC News. | 1:33:27 | 1:33:29 | |
Let's get the sport now with Damian. | 1:33:29 | 1:33:35 | |
Northern Ireland's Cory Evans says
it was a disgrace to award a | 1:33:35 | 1:33:38 | |
handball against which led to
Northern Ireland's defeat in their | 1:33:38 | 1:33:40 | |
World Cup play-off to Switzerland.
He was adjudged to have handled in | 1:33:40 | 1:33:47 | |
the area and Ricardo Rodriguez gave
the Swiss a precious lead to take | 1:33:47 | 1:33:51 | |
into Sunday's second leg. | 1:33:51 | 1:33:54 | |
The players of both England
and Germany will wear black armbands | 1:33:54 | 1:33:56 | |
with poppies for tonight's friendly
at Wembley in remebrance of fallen | 1:33:56 | 1:33:59 | |
servicemen and women,
after Fifa agreed to change | 1:33:59 | 1:34:01 | |
to its rules. | 1:34:01 | 1:34:08 | |
England's women have taken a fifth
wicket as they try to bowl out | 1:34:08 | 1:34:11 | |
the Australians on day two
of the one-off Ashes Test in Sydney. | 1:34:11 | 1:34:14 | |
It's a must-win game for England
and they're currently going well | 1:34:14 | 1:34:16 | |
in the final session of the day. | 1:34:16 | 1:34:18 | |
And Olympian Jess Varnish is suing
UK Sport and British Cycling. | 1:34:18 | 1:34:21 | |
A source close to the sprinter has
told BBC Sport her legal action | 1:34:21 | 1:34:24 | |
is based on claims she suffered sex
discrimination, detriment | 1:34:24 | 1:34:26 | |
for whistleblowing, victimisation
and unfair dismissal. | 1:34:26 | 1:34:29 | |
That is all Gosport Borough now. --
all the sport for now. | 1:34:29 | 1:34:36 | |
When a 14-year-old boy sent
a naked picture of himself | 1:34:36 | 1:34:39 | |
to a girl at school,
he wasn't charged by | 1:34:39 | 1:34:41 | |
Greater Manchester Police,
but they put his name on the police | 1:34:41 | 1:34:43 | |
intelligence database alongside
the crime of making and distributing | 1:34:43 | 1:34:46 | |
indecent images of a child. | 1:34:46 | 1:34:47 | |
It will stay on file for 10 years
unless the High Court rules, | 1:34:47 | 1:34:50 | |
in a case being heard today,
that it should be deleted. | 1:34:50 | 1:34:52 | |
Let's get more from our home affairs
correspondent Danny Shaw. | 1:34:52 | 1:34:57 | |
Good morning to you, what more can
you tell us? | 1:34:57 | 1:35:00 | |
This is an important case that will
resonate with a lot of people who | 1:35:00 | 1:35:04 | |
have issues perhaps about their
teenagers so-called sexting people. | 1:35:04 | 1:35:09 | |
This 14-year-old boy sent this image
on Snapchat thinking it would be | 1:35:09 | 1:35:13 | |
automatically deleted, it wasn't, it
was saved by the girl he sent it to, | 1:35:13 | 1:35:18 | |
she then shared it with other
people. The police got involved, | 1:35:18 | 1:35:22 | |
they didn't charge or prosecute him
but they did put it on their | 1:35:22 | 1:35:26 | |
intelligence database and it is
recorded under a section called | 1:35:26 | 1:35:29 | |
obscene publications and it has his
name on there, and the concern of | 1:35:29 | 1:35:34 | |
the boy's mother is that, should he
go for a job for example working | 1:35:34 | 1:35:37 | |
with children as a teacher or
working with vulnerable adults, the | 1:35:37 | 1:35:41 | |
police may have to disclose that to
a future employer which could in | 1:35:41 | 1:35:44 | |
effect bar him from getting work.
She wants these details about him | 1:35:44 | 1:35:50 | |
removed from the database. Greater
Manchester Police has refused to do | 1:35:50 | 1:35:54 | |
so, our understanding is it could be
kept until he is 100 years old, not | 1:35:54 | 1:35:58 | |
just ten years but effectively in
perpetuity so she is extremely | 1:35:58 | 1:36:02 | |
concerned and is taking the case
this morning to the High Court at | 1:36:02 | 1:36:06 | |
Manchester to try and argue that
Greater Manchester Police's decision | 1:36:06 | 1:36:10 | |
needs to be reversed. Their argument
is, as far as I understand it, that | 1:36:10 | 1:36:15 | |
they are entitled to keep it on the
database and any decision they make | 1:36:15 | 1:36:20 | |
about disclosing it in the future
will be very carefully balanced | 1:36:20 | 1:36:23 | |
looking at the risks the individual
post as against the risks to him of | 1:36:23 | 1:36:29 | |
disclosure.
OK, thank you very much indeed. | 1:36:29 | 1:36:32 | |
We have some breaking news to bring
you. The taxi firm Uber has lost its | 1:36:32 | 1:36:39 | |
appeal against a ruling on the
employment rights of drivers. We | 1:36:39 | 1:36:45 | |
were speaking earlier to one of the
drivers who was involved in the | 1:36:45 | 1:36:52 | |
case, James Farra, who won his
tribunal, Uber appealed the decision | 1:36:52 | 1:36:56 | |
and we have heard that they have
lost the appeal against the ruling | 1:36:56 | 1:37:02 | |
to do with the rights of drivers. We
should be able to speak to Simon | 1:37:02 | 1:37:07 | |
Gompers at the High Court later who
will be able to tell us more about | 1:37:07 | 1:37:10 | |
what has happened and what it could
mean not only for Bluebird drivers | 1:37:10 | 1:37:14 | |
but for the gig economy in general.
-- not only for Uber drivers. | 1:37:14 | 1:37:22 | |
A new scheme to try an combat
so called revenge porn | 1:37:22 | 1:37:25 | |
is being trialled in Australia. | 1:37:25 | 1:37:26 | |
It would mean humans,
rather than computer algorithms, | 1:37:26 | 1:37:28 | |
viewing naked images that
are voluntarily sent to Facebook. | 1:37:28 | 1:37:34 | |
The photograph would then
have its "fingerprint" taken so it | 1:37:34 | 1:37:37 | |
couldn't be uploaded again
by disgruntled ex-lovers. | 1:37:37 | 1:37:46 | |
Facebook said in a statement one
of the hopes for this pilot | 1:37:46 | 1:37:49 | |
is to test an emergency option
for people to provide a photo | 1:37:49 | 1:37:52 | |
proactively to Facebook,
so it never gets shared | 1:37:52 | 1:37:54 | |
in the first place. | 1:37:54 | 1:37:55 | |
"It's a protective measure that can
help prevent a much worse | 1:37:55 | 1:37:57 | |
scenario where an image
is shared more widely. | 1:37:57 | 1:37:59 | |
We don't want Facebook to be a place
where people fear their intimate | 1:37:59 | 1:38:02 | |
images will be shared
without their consent." | 1:38:02 | 1:38:09 | |
Let's talk to Laura Higgins
who runs a helpline | 1:38:09 | 1:38:11 | |
for victims of revenge porn. | 1:38:11 | 1:38:15 | |
And also to Fevzi Turkalp,
who is a social media expert. | 1:38:15 | 1:38:21 | |
He also does weekly podcasts. Thank
you both for joining us. Laura, what | 1:38:21 | 1:38:27 | |
is your response to this pilot
scheme in Australia? We think it is | 1:38:27 | 1:38:34 | |
a fantastic initiative, anything
that gives a bit of control back to | 1:38:34 | 1:38:37 | |
victims, where they can take
proactive measures to try and tackle | 1:38:37 | 1:38:40 | |
it, is a positive thing. You say it
is positive but this involves people | 1:38:40 | 1:38:46 | |
who have nude photographs, if it was
you, a nude photograph, you would | 1:38:46 | 1:38:50 | |
then send it pre-emptively to
Facebook, for example, another human | 1:38:50 | 1:38:54 | |
being who you don't know would look
at the photograph and, I suppose, | 1:38:54 | 1:38:58 | |
give it a fingerprint which means
that it can't then be shared | 1:38:58 | 1:39:03 | |
publicly after that, that is my
understanding? Yes, they already | 1:39:03 | 1:39:07 | |
have a database of hashed images
where organisations like mine have | 1:39:07 | 1:39:13 | |
supported people, we have given them
the image, said this is already | 1:39:13 | 1:39:16 | |
happening to prevent it being
reuploaded. This is just trying to | 1:39:16 | 1:39:20 | |
prevent it being uploaded in the
first place. I know people have an | 1:39:20 | 1:39:24 | |
issue about having a human involved
but there are no technical solutions | 1:39:24 | 1:39:27 | |
that can take that out, there needs
to be somebody in that position, but | 1:39:27 | 1:39:33 | |
they are specially trained, working
with our organisations to make sure | 1:39:33 | 1:39:36 | |
it is as safe as possible. Is that | 1:39:36 | 1:39:48 | |
the best way to deal with this
problem? It is a brand-new project, | 1:39:56 | 1:39:58 | |
it has never been done before.
Certainly it puts them steps ahead | 1:39:58 | 1:40:01 | |
of other social networks are
currently don't have anything, so I | 1:40:01 | 1:40:03 | |
think anything we do as a step
forward is positive. Obviously it | 1:40:03 | 1:40:05 | |
remains to be seen how positive it
is with people in the pilot. Fevzi, | 1:40:05 | 1:40:08 | |
do you think, if this does come in,
it is likely people will take up | 1:40:08 | 1:40:11 | |
Facebook on this other? I think some
well but I doubt very many would do | 1:40:11 | 1:40:14 | |
that because it will involve a
degree of trust, human being looking | 1:40:14 | 1:40:17 | |
at the image, you will have to trust
that no-one misbehaves and stores | 1:40:17 | 1:40:19 | |
those themselves. But even if they
do, if they do do it, there is the | 1:40:19 | 1:40:22 | |
issue of how effective this will be.
They use a lot of intelligent | 1:40:22 | 1:40:25 | |
software to scan the image and
produce a digital fingerprint of the | 1:40:25 | 1:40:28 | |
image which means nothing matching
the fingerprint should be able to be | 1:40:28 | 1:40:32 | |
uploaded but the problem with that
if there are a myriad ways of | 1:40:32 | 1:40:35 | |
altering images so that it could
trick, at the moment, even the best | 1:40:35 | 1:40:41 | |
artificial intelligence programmes.
We see examples of that with | 1:40:41 | 1:40:44 | |
YouTube, where they try to prevent
copyrighted material from being | 1:40:44 | 1:40:50 | |
uploaded and you see all sorts of
tricks on videos from YouTube to try | 1:40:50 | 1:40:53 | |
to make it look like a different
video, even though a human being | 1:40:53 | 1:40:56 | |
will see it as being the same. So
what you are saying is people who | 1:40:56 | 1:41:01 | |
have the same photograph could tweak
it slightly and potentially would be | 1:41:01 | 1:41:05 | |
able to post the same photograph,
virtually, online anyway? Yes, it | 1:41:05 | 1:41:11 | |
depends on how smart the artificial
intelligence software is, but at the | 1:41:11 | 1:41:16 | |
moment it is possible to call any
artificial intelligence. It makes it | 1:41:16 | 1:41:19 | |
a bit harder, but I think that,
combined with the fact that people | 1:41:19 | 1:41:23 | |
who are worried would have to have
those images in their position | 1:41:23 | 1:41:27 | |
already, which they won't always do,
and then be willing to take the risk | 1:41:27 | 1:41:32 | |
of forwarding it to Facebook and all
others on the risk that, because a | 1:41:32 | 1:41:39 | |
relationship has broken down and
they were read, so they have to | 1:41:39 | 1:41:41 | |
balance this in their mind between
sharing the image themselves and | 1:41:41 | 1:41:45 | |
hoping it does not get shared by
their ex-partner. Laura, you run a | 1:41:45 | 1:41:50 | |
helpline for victims of revenge
porn, how big a problem is it? Since | 1:41:50 | 1:41:54 | |
we launched we have had over 7000
calls to our helpline, it is a | 1:41:54 | 1:41:59 | |
significant issue and the threat to
post images can be just as | 1:41:59 | 1:42:02 | |
detrimental as people actually doing
it, so I think this is positive and | 1:42:02 | 1:42:06 | |
we do welcome it. Do you think other
platforms will follow if this is | 1:42:06 | 1:42:09 | |
successful? I would really like to
see that. This is a brand-new thing, | 1:42:09 | 1:42:16 | |
quite ground-breaking. Hopefully it
will have some effect, it will be a | 1:42:16 | 1:42:20 | |
deterrent perhaps for people and
make it harder to upload and | 1:42:20 | 1:42:23 | |
certainly we would love to see the
technology rolled out much more | 1:42:23 | 1:42:27 | |
widely. Fevzi, do you think,
realistically, this could become one | 1:42:27 | 1:42:31 | |
of the solutions for dealing with
revenge porn? I think it can become | 1:42:31 | 1:42:36 | |
part of the solution. Once a digital
fingerprint has been created then it | 1:42:36 | 1:42:40 | |
should be possible to share | 1:42:40 | 1:42:51 | |
that social media platform so that
an individual doesn't have to | 1:42:56 | 1:42:58 | |
register their image with multiple
organisations, perhaps a single | 1:42:58 | 1:43:00 | |
truly independent organisation
produces the hashes and provided to | 1:43:00 | 1:43:02 | |
the social media platforms would be
a better solution. OK, thank you | 1:43:02 | 1:43:04 | |
both. | 1:43:04 | 1:43:14 | |
Joe Fox went from being homeless, | 1:43:15 | 1:43:16 | |
to a fluke meeting with American
rapper A$AP Rocky | 1:43:16 | 1:43:18 | |
while busking in London. | 1:43:18 | 1:43:20 | |
He then became Rocky's main
collaborator, featuring five times | 1:43:20 | 1:43:22 | |
on his latest number one album. | 1:43:22 | 1:43:23 | |
We caught up with him before
a "Shelter from the Storm" | 1:43:23 | 1:43:26 | |
gig for the homeless. | 1:43:26 | 1:43:27 | |
Is this coming well? | 1:43:27 | 1:43:28 | |
Working-class background, didn't
know my dad, I had one half sister, | 1:43:42 | 1:43:46 | |
single-parent family. If you are
into music and have no support from | 1:43:46 | 1:43:58 | |
your family it is hard to pay for it
all. I was in bands but it is beg, | 1:43:58 | 1:44:02 | |
steal or borrow. I am not a great
criminal so I had to Busk and sell | 1:44:02 | 1:44:08 | |
CDs and all sorts. London is crazy
expensive to live in so when I met | 1:44:08 | 1:44:14 | |
Rocky immediately let me stay in his
hotel. | 1:44:14 | 1:44:29 | |
I'd just tried to connect
with my family, and they | 1:44:29 | 1:44:31 | |
didn't want to know. | 1:44:31 | 1:44:32 | |
Yeah, I was lucky to
meet him when I did. | 1:44:32 | 1:44:34 | |
I didn't know who he was,
I knew the name A$AP. | 1:44:34 | 1:44:37 | |
I just tried to sell him
a CD, like I was doing | 1:44:37 | 1:44:40 | |
at the time, you know? | 1:44:40 | 1:44:41 | |
We went down into the studio. | 1:44:41 | 1:44:43 | |
The first song I played
it was Listen Up Katie. | 1:44:43 | 1:44:45 | |
And I played him a song called
Welcome to the Ghetto, | 1:44:45 | 1:44:48 | |
and Head Down Low and he was just
saying "Are these your songs? | 1:44:48 | 1:44:51 | |
Are these your songs?" | 1:44:51 | 1:44:52 | |
And I said, "Yeah,
these are my songs." | 1:44:52 | 1:44:54 | |
And that was it, really. | 1:44:54 | 1:45:01 | |
# I want a melody to save this soul. | 1:45:01 | 1:45:05 | |
# I want a feeling
that I used to know. | 1:45:05 | 1:45:08 | |
When I was homeless, it was... | 1:45:08 | 1:45:09 | |
I was never... | 1:45:09 | 1:45:10 | |
Never knew about places like this. | 1:45:10 | 1:45:12 | |
But I think it's amazing. | 1:45:12 | 1:45:14 | |
Sometimes I think that a performer
is only as good as his crowd. | 1:45:14 | 1:45:17 | |
Hopefully everyone will know
where I'm coming from. | 1:45:17 | 1:45:19 | |
I just want to play the songs, man. | 1:45:19 | 1:45:21 | |
I've got a really good band,
I've got an amazing team, | 1:45:21 | 1:45:24 | |
I love everyone at my label. | 1:45:24 | 1:45:27 | |
Yeah, I just want to keep
writing songs, you know? | 1:45:27 | 1:45:29 | |
Thank you. | 1:45:29 | 1:45:32 | |
APPLAUSE. | 1:45:32 | 1:45:41 | |
The judgement in the Uber
tribunal has just come in. | 1:45:41 | 1:45:43 | |
The company has lost their appeal. | 1:45:43 | 1:45:47 | |
That's against an earlier ruling
that was made last year that | 1:45:47 | 1:45:51 | |
That's against an earlier ruling
that was made last year that it | 1:45:51 | 1:45:51 | |
should treat its drivers as workers
rather than self-employed | 1:45:51 | 1:45:55 | |
independent contractors. Uber has
lost that appeal. They are expected | 1:45:55 | 1:46:00 | |
to pursue a further appeal, possibly
to the Supreme Court. We will bring | 1:46:00 | 1:46:04 | |
you more on that story when we have
it. | 1:46:04 | 1:46:08 | |
Women vaccinated against human
papilloma virus, or HPV, | 1:46:08 | 1:46:14 | |
which is thought to cause about 99%
of cervical cancers, | 1:46:14 | 1:46:16 | |
may only need three smear
tests in their lifetime, | 1:46:16 | 1:46:18 | |
a new study has suggested. | 1:46:18 | 1:46:20 | |
Since 2008, the HPV vaccine has been
offered to girls aged 11 to 13 | 1:46:20 | 1:46:23 | |
and reported cases have fallen
sharply since then. | 1:46:23 | 1:46:25 | |
A team from Queen Mary University
of London found that | 1:46:25 | 1:46:27 | |
screenings at age 30,
40 and 55 would offer the same | 1:46:27 | 1:46:30 | |
benefit to these young women
as the current 12 screenings. | 1:46:30 | 1:46:32 | |
The study comes ahead of planned
changes to the screening programme | 1:46:32 | 1:46:35 | |
in England for 2019,
and similar adjustments | 1:46:35 | 1:46:37 | |
in Scotland and Wales. | 1:46:37 | 1:46:47 | |
Earlier we discussed the impact
of HPV and those new proposals. | 1:46:47 | 1:46:50 | |
Mandy Parker was diagnosed
with cervical cancer in 2015 | 1:46:50 | 1:46:55 | |
after a routine smear test
and she had to have a hysterectomy. | 1:46:55 | 1:46:58 | |
She told me how she was diagnosed. | 1:46:58 | 1:47:05 | |
It was through my regular screening,
so I haven't missed one every three | 1:47:05 | 1:47:09 | |
years. I went in June of 2015. But I
had no symptoms. I went along as | 1:47:09 | 1:47:15 | |
normal, had the screening and
unfortunate they called me back | 1:47:15 | 1:47:18 | |
because I had abnormal cells. In
September of 2015I had a radical | 1:47:18 | 1:47:24 | |
hysterectomy because of early-stage
cervical cancer. I was told if I | 1:47:24 | 1:47:30 | |
hadn't gone for screening it would
be a totally different story. I am | 1:47:30 | 1:47:33 | |
here to tell the tale now and it's
so important and it's so great to | 1:47:33 | 1:47:37 | |
have the new HPV screening, because
that is Exec what caused my cervical | 1:47:37 | 1:47:41 | |
cancer. You were approaching the
screening, and it would have been | 1:47:41 | 1:47:49 | |
another three years otherwise. Women
lead busy lives and it's so easy to | 1:47:49 | 1:47:54 | |
put it off. It's so important to
attend on time so they can detect | 1:47:54 | 1:47:58 | |
early changes. It wasn't as bad as
it could have been. How do you feel | 1:47:58 | 1:48:03 | |
about the news today? You have two
teenage daughters. It's brilliant. | 1:48:03 | 1:48:07 | |
They have both been vaccinated and
it's been absolutely fine. I would | 1:48:07 | 1:48:11 | |
encourage everyone to have the HPV
vaccine. That caused my surgical | 1:48:11 | 1:48:15 | |
cancer. Along with the bank vaccine
and the new screening programme. | 1:48:15 | 1:48:22 | |
It's excellent. It stops people
getting cervical cancer in the end, | 1:48:22 | 1:48:28 | |
that's what we want. It's really
exciting times for cervical cancer | 1:48:28 | 1:48:33 | |
because we know what causes it, we
can look for it and we are turning | 1:48:33 | 1:48:36 | |
the programme over so we can look
for that rather than abnormal cells, | 1:48:36 | 1:48:40 | |
which say better and simpler test.
When will it come in? This is what | 1:48:40 | 1:48:49 | |
the study has found. When could this
new screening programme kick in? I | 1:48:49 | 1:48:55 | |
think the important thing to say is
that this is a model. What | 1:48:55 | 1:48:58 | |
researchers have done is that if
this happens, and it happens in this | 1:48:58 | 1:49:03 | |
way, then it would be safe for woman
to have many fewer screens. What the | 1:49:03 | 1:49:08 | |
programme is doing at the moment is
concentrate on changing from the | 1:49:08 | 1:49:12 | |
cytology test, looking at cells
under a microscope, to looking for | 1:49:12 | 1:49:16 | |
the presence of a virus. We'll get
that into place by the end of 2019. | 1:49:16 | 1:49:23 | |
The other thing to say is that the
girls who have been vaccinated are | 1:49:23 | 1:49:27 | |
coming up to 21 and 22. We start
screening at 25. We know that | 1:49:27 | 1:49:33 | |
screening is being taken up by less
women. Generally the rates of people | 1:49:33 | 1:49:37 | |
taking up screening are declining.
Why do you think that is? All sorts | 1:49:37 | 1:49:42 | |
of reasons. Before I go there, I
want to say that I will probably be | 1:49:42 | 1:49:47 | |
dead by the time the current
25-year-olds are right the way | 1:49:47 | 1:49:51 | |
through the programme, because it
does not finish until 65. We need to | 1:49:51 | 1:49:54 | |
be clear that for women who have not
been vaccinated, it's incredibly | 1:49:54 | 1:49:59 | |
important they get their screening
test. People need to get their three | 1:49:59 | 1:50:08 | |
screens in a lifetime. The key thing
is having the HPV vaccine at a young | 1:50:08 | 1:50:12 | |
age. How long, once you have had
that, and schoolgirls are having the | 1:50:12 | 1:50:18 | |
HPV vaccine, how long does it last?
A good question, and part of what | 1:50:18 | 1:50:23 | |
the reason of what Peter has done as
a model, we have been vaccinating, | 1:50:23 | 1:50:27 | |
and across the world we have been
vaccinating since 2008 or so. The | 1:50:27 | 1:50:32 | |
evidence is very strong that it
lasts a long time. But we are | 1:50:32 | 1:50:36 | |
continuing to gather the data to see
if people remain protected. Nicola, | 1:50:36 | 1:50:42 | |
do you want to come in before we
come back to the reasons why? The | 1:50:42 | 1:50:48 | |
main aim of the surgical screening
programme is prevention rather than | 1:50:48 | 1:50:51 | |
early diagnosis. It does pick up
some cases of cervical cancer, but a | 1:50:51 | 1:50:55 | |
lot of women who get abnormal
results, those cell changes are free | 1:50:55 | 1:51:00 | |
cancer risk, they can be dealt with
so it can be moved in Dublin before | 1:51:00 | 1:51:07 | |
it can have the chance to develop
into cancer. When a lot of women go | 1:51:07 | 1:51:14 | |
through the smear process, they will
be fine. Hopefully it can be dealt | 1:51:14 | 1:51:17 | |
with before it turns into cancer.
Could we in theory get to a stage | 1:51:17 | 1:51:22 | |
where you really do minimise cases
of serious cervical cancer? I don't | 1:51:22 | 1:51:30 | |
want to use the word eliminate. If
people took the screening off or up | 1:51:30 | 1:51:40 | |
as the programme currently is now,
we would stop more than 80% of cases | 1:51:40 | 1:51:45 | |
of cervical cancer. It's an
incredibly effective set of things | 1:51:45 | 1:51:48 | |
to do. Having said that, you say
there are declining numbers of women | 1:51:48 | 1:51:53 | |
going for screening. Why is that?
It's interesting. I think it's a mix | 1:51:53 | 1:51:57 | |
of reasons. Apart from the obvious
that it's not necessarily the | 1:51:57 | 1:52:02 | |
procedure itself, although it
doesn't take very long, it might not | 1:52:02 | 1:52:06 | |
be the most comfortable thing to do
for people. Some people find it | 1:52:06 | 1:52:11 | |
uncomfortable. And some people are
worried they will find it | 1:52:11 | 1:52:14 | |
uncomfortable. People lead busy
lives. If you have three jobs and | 1:52:14 | 1:52:18 | |
four children, you have other things
to worry about and it can be | 1:52:18 | 1:52:21 | |
difficult to get access to a GP or a
clinic to do these things. And some | 1:52:21 | 1:52:27 | |
really interesting work suggests
that about five to 8% of people who | 1:52:27 | 1:52:32 | |
have never had it, have never heard
of it. | 1:52:32 | 1:52:36 | |
The plot of a new BBC drama The Boy
with the Topknot is based | 1:52:36 | 1:52:39 | |
on the real life memoirs of Sathnam
Sanghera. | 1:52:39 | 1:52:41 | |
Born to traditional Sikh
parents in Wolverhampton, | 1:52:41 | 1:52:43 | |
Sathnam went on to study
at Cambridge and became | 1:52:43 | 1:52:46 | |
a successful journalist. | 1:52:46 | 1:52:47 | |
But it wasn't until his late
twenties that he learnt a painful | 1:52:47 | 1:52:50 | |
family secret about mental illness
in his family. | 1:52:50 | 1:52:55 | |
In a moment we'll be joined
by Sacha Dahwan who plays Sathnam, | 1:52:55 | 1:52:58 | |
but first let's watch a clip. | 1:52:58 | 1:53:03 | |
I went with Daddy to see his doctor
at the clinic the other day. | 1:53:03 | 1:53:06 | |
Dr Dutta? | 1:53:06 | 1:53:07 | |
Yeah.
Good man. | 1:53:07 | 1:53:08 | |
Yeah. | 1:53:08 | 1:53:09 | |
Why don't we ever talk
about Daddy's schizophrenia? | 1:53:09 | 1:53:11 | |
What's there to talk about? | 1:53:11 | 1:53:18 | |
Well, Dr Dutta mentioned aggression. | 1:53:18 | 1:53:19 | |
What are you saying? | 1:53:19 | 1:53:20 | |
When was the last time you saw
Daddy be aggressive? | 1:53:20 | 1:53:22 | |
Never, he'd have never. | 1:53:22 | 1:53:23 | |
He's the kindest, gentlest man. | 1:53:23 | 1:53:26 | |
No, I'm not saying he isn't.
He is on medication now. | 1:53:26 | 1:53:28 | |
He's been on medication
since before you were born. | 1:53:28 | 1:53:31 | |
Why are you bringing this up now? | 1:53:31 | 1:53:32 | |
Indi, I didn't know this
until two days ago. | 1:53:32 | 1:53:34 | |
Of course you knew.
I didn't. | 1:53:34 | 1:53:36 | |
You knew.
I didn't. | 1:53:36 | 1:53:37 | |
And Sacha is with us now. | 1:53:37 | 1:53:39 | |
. How did you first hear about this
role? Every year the BBC announced | 1:53:43 | 1:53:49 | |
the projects they will do and I saw
this one. I had gone through other | 1:53:49 | 1:53:54 | |
projects and knew the ones that I
wouldn't be seen for and then I saw | 1:53:54 | 1:54:03 | |
The Boy With The Top Knot. I thought
the book was amazing and I had | 1:54:03 | 1:54:08 | |
reservations because I thought they
could tip it on its head and it | 1:54:08 | 1:54:11 | |
wouldn't be as good. I auditioned
for it, and it happened. You almost | 1:54:11 | 1:54:15 | |
didn't audition for it. I didn't.
The story is so personal to me as | 1:54:15 | 1:54:23 | |
well. I have always played
characters that are incredibly | 1:54:23 | 1:54:26 | |
different to me. This was so close
to home and I wasn't sure I was | 1:54:26 | 1:54:31 | |
ready enough to put that to the
forefront. But it was actually my | 1:54:31 | 1:54:35 | |
girlfriend who had a serious word
with me and said, you are turning | 1:54:35 | 1:54:38 | |
this down because you are scared of
the challenge. The challenges you | 1:54:38 | 1:54:42 | |
are scared of the most are the ones
you should do. It's the best thing I | 1:54:42 | 1:54:47 | |
have ever done. The best thing you
have ever done? Yeah, I'm so proud | 1:54:47 | 1:54:53 | |
of it, and I'm doing the press for
it now and realise how important it | 1:54:53 | 1:54:56 | |
is. Not the fact it is representing
us, our background, but the fact it | 1:54:56 | 1:55:02 | |
is putting mental illness at the
forefront as well. People just don't | 1:55:02 | 1:55:05 | |
talk about it. When you say it is
closely related to elements of your | 1:55:05 | 1:55:10 | |
own life, could you give me
examples? Not just being from an | 1:55:10 | 1:55:13 | |
Indian background, it's that at the
age of around 30 I felt very | 1:55:13 | 1:55:20 | |
disconnected from my roots. I wasn't
going home as much. I knew my | 1:55:20 | 1:55:25 | |
family, my parents, they were going
through some difficulties and I | 1:55:25 | 1:55:28 | |
chose to avoid it and run away from
it. Around the age of 30 I | 1:55:28 | 1:55:35 | |
confronted it. I just got to
communicate with my parents a bit | 1:55:35 | 1:55:38 | |
more and it was the best thing that
happened. It changed everything. It | 1:55:38 | 1:55:42 | |
freed me and made me realise, and I
love my work as an actor, but it's | 1:55:42 | 1:55:48 | |
not everything. Family is really
important, which is what this drama | 1:55:48 | 1:55:52 | |
is about. I have seen some of this
and it's really a deeply moving | 1:55:52 | 1:55:57 | |
story. I come from a Sikh family and
it comes across as very authentic. A | 1:55:57 | 1:56:02 | |
lot of the detail is very authentic,
I could relate to it and a lot of | 1:56:02 | 1:56:06 | |
the conversations could have
happened in my household. How did | 1:56:06 | 1:56:09 | |
you feel about getting across the
authenticity. And this isn't a | 1:56:09 | 1:56:15 | |
fictional character, this is
Sathnam's life. Exactly what you | 1:56:15 | 1:56:20 | |
said, it's not just about a generic
Indian community, it's specifically | 1:56:20 | 1:56:25 | |
Sathnam's story. I had the book and
I had Sathnam at hand and I met him | 1:56:25 | 1:56:30 | |
straightaway when I got the part. I
realised I had to be sensitive | 1:56:30 | 1:56:34 | |
because the story is still going on
for him at the moment. I met him | 1:56:34 | 1:56:37 | |
because I wanted to get his
blessing. After chatting for five | 1:56:37 | 1:56:43 | |
minutes we both realised we had so
much in common. I realise that his | 1:56:43 | 1:56:48 | |
story is so much my story, the story
I was scared of telling. He said to | 1:56:48 | 1:56:53 | |
on the part. You are playing me, but
it's all you as well. -- own the | 1:56:53 | 1:57:01 | |
part. In particular it explores a
lot of Sathnam's mother and how she | 1:57:01 | 1:57:09 | |
deals with her husband's mental
illness. That's a big thing. It made | 1:57:09 | 1:57:14 | |
me realise the amount of respect I
have for my parents, particularly my | 1:57:14 | 1:57:18 | |
own mum. Particularly Sathnam's mum.
I have an immense respect for her, | 1:57:18 | 1:57:26 | |
she's the most selfless woman I have
ever met. To think what she has been | 1:57:26 | 1:57:31 | |
through, you wouldn't even think it.
The fact she came over at such a | 1:57:31 | 1:57:34 | |
young age into new country and then
had to contend with her husband | 1:57:34 | 1:57:40 | |
having an illness that they both
know what it was. Just the lack of | 1:57:40 | 1:57:45 | |
communication and being able to
speak the language. Sathnam did not | 1:57:45 | 1:57:49 | |
find out until much later on, he had
secrets he didn't tell his family | 1:57:49 | 1:57:53 | |
about. What was it like when you
finally saw the finished version? | 1:57:53 | 1:57:59 | |
Did you watch it with Sathnam's mum?
What was the reaction? I watched it | 1:57:59 | 1:58:03 | |
with Sathnam. We were both
terrified. You never know. You do | 1:58:03 | 1:58:08 | |
the best is you do, but you don't
know until it gets to the edit what | 1:58:08 | 1:58:13 | |
it will be like. I realise that as
much as it is about a Sikh family, | 1:58:13 | 1:58:18 | |
and Sathnam's family and mental
illness, it's about any family. It | 1:58:18 | 1:58:22 | |
made me think about my own family.
It's been a pleasure to have you on. | 1:58:22 | 1:58:26 | |
The Boy With The Topknot
is on BBC2 on Monday at 9pm. | 1:58:26 | 1:58:29 | |
Thank you for your company today. | 1:58:29 | 1:58:30 |