15/11/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello, it's Wednesday, it's 9am,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

welcome to the programme.

Our top story today,

what's happening in Zimbabwe?

Where is President Robert Mugabe,

the man who's ruled the country

with an iron fist for decades?

And who exactly is running

the African nation?

His Excellency the president of the

Republic of Zimbabwe and

commander-in-chief of the Zimbabwe

defence forces, Robert Mugabe and

his family are sound and they are

security is guaranteed.

We'll be live in the capital

Harare in the next

quarter of an hour.

Also on the programme -

the makers of rap and grime videos

hit back at accusations they can

glamorise gun and knife violence.

People using guns and the stuff that

we see on the news, stuff that we

see on the press, it is the stuff

that we see nail.

More from behind the scenes of video

shoots in the next half hour or so.

And she's one of the favourites

to win Strictly - Alexandra Burke

and her dance partner Gorka Marquez

will be here after 10am.

If you've got a question

for them, get in touch.

Hello and welcome to the programme.

We're live until 11am.

Latest breaking new

throughout the programme -

we're expecting to hear shortly

whether or not Scotland

can introduce minimum

pricing for alcohol,

to tackle binge-drinking.

The Supreme Court will be

making the announcement

in about 45 minutes time

and if the Scottish Government

is successful it will

have an impact on plans

in others parts of the UK.

Do you think minimum

pricing a good idea?

Will it tackle binge drinking?

If you binge drink, if you're

addicted to alcohol,

would it help you if booze

was more expensive?

Our top story today.

Zimbabwe's military has seized

control of the country -

in what it is claiming is not a coup

but a "bloodless transition".

President Robert Mugabe

and his family were detained,

but are "safe", according

to the twitter feed

of the ruling Zanu PF party.

It also says the country's

former vice-president,

sacked by President Mugabe

earlier this month,

has been installed as

the country's interim leader.

Jon Donnison's been

following events.

An increase in military vehicles and

soldiers on the outskirts of the

capital yesterday raised alarm.

Overnight, the military denied a

coup was taking place. Insisting

President Mugabe was safe.

We are

only targeting criminals around him

who are committing crimes that are

causing social and economic

suffering in the country in order to

bring them to justice.

But it came

just days after the head of the

Armed Forces had threatened to take

action over the sacking of a senior

politician.

We must demand those behind the

current treacherous shenanigans that

when it comes to matters of

protecting our revolution, the

military will not hesitate to step

in.

The general was referring to

President Mugabe's sacking of his

number two, the Vice-President. Once

seen as a loyal deputy, his

dismissal was seen as a move by

President Mugabe to hand power to

his wife, Grace. But on the streets

of Harare, some welcomed the

possible intervention by the

military to block such a move.

What

is needed right now in Zimbabwe is

to remove this Mugabe family in

power.

If there is this implosion,

the implosion is good for the

citizens of Zimbabwe.

At 93, Robert

Mugabe is the world's oldest head of

state. In power since 1980. His

political down fall has been

predicted many times before and he's

still standing. The question is for

how long?

Milton Nkosi's the BBC's

correspondent in neighbouring

South Africa - live from

Johannesburg.

What's going on?

What we know is

that the situation in Zimbabwe's

capital Harare is quiet, but tense.

The streets are being manned by

troops. There are armoured personnel

carriers dotted around the city. The

Army has taken over Zimbabwe

Broadcasting Corporation. We know

that President Robert Mugabe is

safe, as far as the military is

concerned and he is under arrest in

Harare. He hasn't issued any

statement. Just a short while ago,

here in South Africa, president

Jacob Zuma issued a statement

calling for calm and said he hopes

there will be no unconstitutional

change of power because that would

be counter to the region's stance

and also the region of the - the

stance of the African Union. So, all

countries around the southern Africa

development community is concerned

about what is happening in Zimbabwe.

I mean, is the reading this that the

army want the Vice-President in

charge because he seems to have been

installed as the interim leader

rather than Robert Mugabe's wife,

Grace, who was pretty much next in

line?

Yes, indeed. That is exactly

what triggered this set of events.

The military decided that the

sacking of the president, of the

Vice-President, by President Robert

Mugabe last week was the straw that

broke the camel's back as far as

they were concerned because they

feel that the Vice-President made a

serious contribution in the

liberation struggle against white

minority rule and the idea that

Grace Mugabe, who used to be a

typist in President Mugabe's office,

eventually marrying him, would then

find herself succeeding President

Mugabe as president was totally

unacceptable as far as they are

concerned and that's why we are

seeing what is happening today.

Thank you very much, Milton.

Peter says, "The fall of Mugabe

could be significant for Zimbabwe as

the fall of the Berlin Wall for

Germany. Democracy begins

hopefully."

Although the Army taking over would

not suggest that's democratic. Kevin

on Facebook, "What next for the

nation of Zimbabwe?" We will keep

you up-to-dated, of course.

Annita is in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of the rest

of the day's news.

The Government has defeated several

amendments by MPs on the first day

of debate of its key

Brexit legislation.

However, some Tory backbenchers

are lining up with opposition

parties to demand further changes

as the EU Withdrawal Bill

continues its passage

through the Commons.

Our Political Correspondent,

Leila Nathoo, reports.

Now is the chance for Parliament

to have its say over

what kind of Brexit we get,

a key piece of the Government's

Brexit legislation has returned

to the Commons and MPs are trying

to tinker with it to influence

ministers' approach.

European Union Withdraw bill.

Yesterday MPs began considering some

of the proposed changes though

the Government saw off initial

challenges, but the debate exposed

divisions on the Tory backbenches

with some Conservative

MPs minded to rebel.

Everybody has got more

and more brittle.

More and more unwilling to listen.

More and more persuaded that every

suggestion that is being made

is in some way a form of treason.

This morning they've been

labelled by one newspaper

as the Brexit mutineers.

A number of them are siding

with Labour to oppose

the Government's plan to write

the Brexit date into law,

concerned it raises the chance

of Britain crashing out of the EU

without a deal.

If negotiations go to the wire both

we and the EU 27 might recognise

the need for an extra week.

We are going to go through

the process of making sure,

as a responsible government,

that our country is ready to leave

the European Union without a deal

if that proves necessary.

Brexiteers, though,

see this as the chance

to finally take back control.

Those millions of people

who died in both world

wars died for a reason.

It was to do with sustaining the

freedom and democracy of this House.

The ayes to the right, 318...

There will be more contentious votes

further down the line.

With tensions running high,

the Government's authority

is sure to be tested.

The interim leader of

the Labour Party in Scotland,

Alex Rowley, has stepped aside

from the role amid claims

about his conduct.

Mr Rowley said he "totally refuted"

allegations from a former partner

published in the Scottish Sun

newspaper who said their

relationship "felt like emotional

blackmail and abuse".

He has referred himself to the

party's investigations unit.

Australians have overwhelmingly

backed legalising same-sex marriage

in an historic poll.

People took to the streets

to celebrate the result,

after more than 60% voted in favour

of allowing same-sex couples to wed.

More than 12.7 million

people took part in

the non-binding postal vote.

The husband of Nazanin

Zaghari-Ratcliffe,

the British woman being held in Iran

after visiting her family there,

will meet the Foreign Secretary

Boris Johnson this morning

to discuss her continued

imprisonment.

Mr Johnson apologised

after mistakenly claiming

Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe had been

training journalists

when she was arrested

in Tehran in April last year.

Her family says the comments

could result in another five years

being added to her jail term.

The meeting will focus on the UK

Government's efforts

to secure her release

on humanitarian grounds.

The UK's highest court will decide

later whether Scotland can finally

enforce its policy of a minimum

pricing for alcohol.

Legislation was approved

by the Scottish Parliament five

years ago, but has been tied up

in court challenges amid claims it

breaches European law.

Ministers say a 50-pence-per-unit

minimum would help tackle

what they called Scotland's

"unhealthy relationship" with drink.

Concerns have been expressed that

films being shown in schools to warn

of the dangers of child sexual

exploitation are upsetting children.

The films, which are teaching aids

for secondary school teachers,

warn of the dangers of being

groomed and exploited.

But this programme has learned

that the graphic and realistic

nature of some of them has left

children feeling traumatised.

The family of the British explorer,

Benedict Allen, say he's gone

missing during an expedition

to Papua New Guinea.

His wife says he missed his flight

home and hasn't been heard

from in three weeks.

Mr Allen, who has made numerous

documentaries for the BBC,

had been trying to track down

an indigenous tribe

for a new programme.

That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 9.30.

Some comments about minimum pricing.

We are going to get that ruling from

the highest court in the land at

10am, whether Scotland can go ahead

with introducing minimum pricing. Jo

tweets, "It will not tackle

binge-drinking for the most part

though. It will just cost more to

those who have the means and cause

more poverty to those addicted to it

at the wrong point in their life."

Duncan says, "Minimum pricing will

only hurt those who cannot afford to

buy it. Real help is needed, not

political statements."

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Will is here. Ireland are not going

to the World Cup.

A really

disappointing night for the Irish in

Dublin. So much expectation. They

finished nil-nil in the first leg

against Denmark and they were on

their home turf hoping to get to

Russia 2018 this. Is Shane Duffy

putting the Irish ahead. A packed

out stadium in Dublin and at that

stage they are going to the World

Cup! Only six minutes on the clock

and they found themselves 3-1 down.

Christian Eriksson. He ended up with

a hat-trick and the celebrations

from the Danish as they head to

Russia 2018 and you saw Martin

O'Neill there and Roy Keane on the

side, what does the future hold for

them? They are not going to the

World Cup now, Victoria.

Should

England be getting more praise after

two goalless draws?

England fielded

two young teams. The first against

Germany when they drew nil-nil.

Gareth Southgate made five changes

for last night's match against

Brazil who are number two in the

world. It wasn't the greatest game

to be fair, but they had good

chances, Brazil, all the possession,

they hit the bar and this is late

on. Another England cap that Gareth

Southgate handed, a guy who signed

from Chelsea to Liverpool, a cap for

him, but England having to settle

for a goalless draw. This is Wales

against Panama. Wales not going to

the World Cup. Panama. What a strike

from Tom Laurence the Derby

mid-fielder. Cooper equalising. This

I love. This is Peru against New

Zealand. Which is going to kick off

in the early hours of the morning. A

World Cup qualifier. They are

blessing the Peru team and stamping

on the New Zealand side. Yes, that's

a live snake they are rubbing over

the New Zealand team. Trying to

curse them. I think it has worked

and it seemed to work because the

New Zealand team, they are their

plane had to divert and they got on

to the team bus which wouldn't fit

into the stadium and when they got

into the stadium, the keys wouldn't

work and they were six hours late.

It seems to be working. It will be

amazing to see what the result is.

It will be the snake that wins is

it?

Very good.

Not that good!

England cricket squad are counting

down for the Ashes. They have a warm

up game before the Ashes start. How

are they doing and I'm going to ask

you to who is going to win the

Ashes.

From an England point of view I

think they're in quite good place.

This is Chris Woakes taking six

wickets against a Cricket Australia

Xi. England have had all of this bad

news with an Stokes and lots of

injury news. But from a positive

point of view, Chris Woakes putting

himself in the picture for a

starting place in the first Test,

which is eight days away in

Brisbane. Who's going to win the

Ashes? I'm not sure if I'm allowed

to say this but probably Australia!

You asked me!

I'm glad you put your

neck on the line!

The army in Zimbabwe say they have

not illegally seized power, but it

certainly looks like that.

The military have taken over

the state broadcaster, ZBC,

and made a statement,

insisting that they're not leading

a coup but instead targeting

criminals around President Robert

Mugabe.

We wish to assure the nation that

his Excellency the President of the

Republic of Zimbabwe and

commander-in-chief of the Zimbabwe

defence forces, comrade Mugabe and

his family are safe and sound and

so-so security is guaranteed. We are

only targeting the minerals around

him who are committing crimes that

are causing social and economic

suffering to the country. As soon as

we have accomplished our mission, we

expect that the situation will

return to normalcy. We wish to make

it abundantly clear that this is not

a military takeover of government.

What the Zimbabwe defence forces is

doing is to pacify a degenerating

political, social and economic

situation in our country. Which, if

not addressed, may result in violent

conflict.

At the moment it's not clear who's

leading the military action,

and for exactly what purpose.

The army insists that

President Robert Mugabe, who is 93,

and the leader of the governing Zanu

PF party, is "safe and sound" -

but exactly where he

is is also unknown.

Robert Mugabe has presided over

Zimbabwe for the last three decades

- he has often used violence

to maintain his grip on power.

His critics are dismissed

as "traitors and sell-outs".

During his time as President,

the county has experienced

really severe economic problems -

at one point it was the world's

fastest-shrinking economy

with annual inflation

of 231 million percent.

Last week Mr Mugabe sacked his

vice-president as part

of a row over succession.

It means Robert Mugabe's wife

Grace Mugabe had wanted

to replace him as president.

The rivalry between Mrs Mugabe

and the vice-president

has split Zanu PF.

We wish to assure the nation that

his Excellency the President of the

Republic of Zimbabwe and

commander-in-chief of the Zimbabwe

defence forces, Unread Mugabe and

his family, are safe and sound and

their security is guaranteed. We are

only targeting criminals around him

who are committing crimes that are

causing social and economic

suffering in the country.

That's the

same clip that we played you

earlier, as you realise to!

For the latest let's talk

to Wisdom Mdzungairi is the Editor

of the Zimbabwe independent

newspaper, NewsDay,

in the capital Harare.

Senator David Coltart

is a Zimbabwean opposition

politician from the MDC

Party and former minister

in the inclusive government.

He joins us from Bulawayo.

And Alex Magaisa is a former adviser

to Zimbabwe's opposition

leader Morgan Tsvangirai,

and is now a lecturer

at the University of Kent.

Wisdom Mdzungairi, good morning.

Robert Mugabe, a dictator, is not in

charge of your country for the first

time in decades - what does it feel

like on the streets of Harare?

As

usual, as in any normal... But I

think with military in all corners

of the streets, especially in the

city... But it is business as usual.

It is only ensuring that people can

go to work and do their business.

I

am struggling to hear you a little

bit but I think you're telling me

that it is business as usual even

though the military are on the

streets?

Yes, very true.

Where is

Robert Mugabe?

He is at his home.

Why is he being detained there?

He

is not being detained. I think the

military statement is very clear,

when they say that they have made

sure that there is maximum security

to keep him safe, even tense

atmosphere prevailing in our

country.

OK, but who is he being

kept safe from, the people who are

keeping him safe, the army?

The army

protects the president. And they

make sure that they protect him. In

a situation like ours today, there

can be skirmishes and these guys are

ensuring that there are no

skirmishes.

I am not clear who they

are protecting him from, though?

From...

Who is the army protecting

Robert Mugabe from, why do they need

to keep him safe?

Because the

situation is tense in the country,

and from the military statement,

they express their disquiet over

Zanu PF on Monday, they indicated

that...

What do you think about the

vice president being installed as

leader effectively?

This is

speculation. There is no preparation

at the moment that we are aware of.

The vice president is out of the

country and in South Africa. And I

will not confirm that. Until and

unless this is confirmed, then I

will be able to speak to that.

OK,

let me speak to an opposition

politician, David Coltart, a former

minister in this government. Who is

running your country?

It clear that

the military are now in control.

They have not deposed Robert Mugabe,

they say that they respect him as

President. But it's clear that

they've captured the broadcasting

corporation, the ZBC. As my

colleague said there are soldiers on

the streets, and we have credible

reports of senior Cabinet ministers

having been arrested.

So, the

military are clearly in control.

Why?

I think it is the result of

months, years, of economic

degradation and quite frankly

foolish economic policies, but what

has brought this to a head, of

course, was the removal from power

of the vice president ten days ago.

And his dismissal from Zanu PF. And

the clear intention stated by Zanu

PF and Robert Mugabe to promote his

wife, and I think the final straw

was the fear of people that the

Mugabes dynasty was in the process

of being formed.

Let me bring in

Alex Magaisa, who used to work for

the opposition leader - how do you

assess what is going on, give us the

context?

As my colleagues have

indicated, there has been a

succession race in Zimbabwe, the

race to succeed President Mugabe,

who as you know is now 93. The two

me protagonists have been the First

Lady, Mugabes's wife, and the former

vice president Emerson. And it is

the sacking of the former vice

president that has brought things to

a head, producing a reaction from

the military. Is at least some of it

has been closed to vice president of

Emmerson Mnangagwa and the response

which we are seeing, which is quite

a radical response, we saw a robust

fitment on Monday, and that was

followed up by the ubiquitous

presence of armed forces on the

streets of Harare. And, of course,

the statement that we have this

morning, with the army saying that

they are targeting criminals.

Effectively in my opinion they are

saying it is not a coup, but it is a

coup.

Let me go back to David

Coltart - as a politician in is a

bubbly - what do you think about

what is happening?

As a human rights

lawyer and someone who believes in

our constitution and the ball of

law, I need to say at the outset

that we don't like the abuse of the

law in this way, and the

constitution is disregarded. So, we

hope that whilst we have to deal

with this practical situation, that

the military will return to civilian

government and to respecting the

cost of Jewish and as soon as

possible. Having said that, of

course, the fact remains --

respecting the constitution as soon

as possible. Having said that, if

the military are genuinely

determined to stabilise the country,

then we hope that it may yet be a

good thing.

Thank you very much all

of you. Live pictures you can see

from Harare. As the editor of the

independent newspaper NewsDay told

us, it is business as usual running

what has been going on in the last

24 hours or so. Business as usual on

the streets of the P people going

out their business -- people going

about their business.

Commuters are being urged to step

in if they see vulnerable people

near railway tracks,

as part of a campaign

to prevent suicide.

British Transport Police say

engaging someone in conversation

could "make all the difference".

Earlier we spoke to Jonny Benjamin

who almost ten years ago sat

on the edge of Waterloo Bridge

about to jump off,

and Neil Laybourn, who was walking

by and engaged him in conversation.

Anybody can approach, you don't have

to worry about saying the wrong

thing. It can be even something

about the weather, anything to start

up a conversation, really. Something

to get that person talking if you're

concerned about somebody.

And Jonny

Benjamin, what do you think that

could do, some of those simple type

of questions?

I think when someone

is in that kind of suicidal frame of

mind, they're in their own bubble. I

know I have been in my own bubble

whenever I have been suicidal and it

is about breaking that bubble and

breaking that person out of that his

own. Just someone coming along and

asking those questions can really

break that person from that intense

cycle of thoughts and feelings. And

then get that person engaged. And it

might take a while. I know for us on

the bridge it took me a while to

finally talk to Niall, because I

didn't want him there, I was

embarrassed, I just wanted him to go

away. But he stood his ground and he

was very calm and patient, and I

think that is really key, being

patient. Because at first they might

not want to talk, they might just

want you to go away. But if you

remain calm and grounded and

engaged, then eventually I think

people will start to engage with

you, but but it might take some time

maybe.

And Neil, what did you say to

Johnny all those years ago when you

saw him on Waterloo Bridge?

What I

said to Johnny was pretty much what

I just said Ben Jefford member

walking up and saying, hi, mate, are

you OK? I said why are you sitting

on the bridge? And when he told me

that he was going to take his life,

who I just said, OK, can you tell me

why? Just not being afraid of

simple, open questions, which allow

that person to just kind of

communique. And another thing is, if

you're going to approach somebody

personally I would always tell them

why, just to make them feel OK. The

reason I'm approaching you is

because I was concerned and I

thought you were looking uneasy, or

a little worried or distressed and I

just wanted to check in and see that

you're OK. So, just backing it up

with why is well. On that day,

that's exactly what happened.

Neil

Laybourn and Jonny Benjamin. And you

can find charities which offer

support at BBC action line. Still to

come on the programme - we are going

to meet the wrap and grind artists

who say they are being targeted

unfairly for videos which are being

accused of glamorising gun crime and

knife crime. And one of the Spector

favourites Alexandra Burke and her

partner Gorka Marquez will be here.

Zimbabwe's military has taken

control of the country. An Army

spokesman said that President Mugabe

and his family were safe, but it was

targeting people close to Mr Mugabe

who caused social and economic

suffering. The move came after Mr

Mugabe sacked his deputy in favour

of his wife. In the last hour, our

reporter in the Zimbabwean capital

Harare has given us this update.

Well, the wages is quiter than

usual, but some people have -- well,

the situation is quieter than usual.

Some people have decided to go to

work or school, there isn't the fear

for panic despite the fact that the

military have taken over. In the

central business district, there are

signs of security, as well as

military checkpoints by have been

installed at the stream court and

the Reserve Bank and there are

checkpoints at the airport and some

people were seen to be led away by

gun point and the military are still

in control of the capital.

On the line is our Africa Editor

Fergal Keane. Is this about a fight,

about who succeeds Robert Mugabe?

That's what it's about. And the

military say this isn't a coup, but

when you have a man in military

uniform appearing on television late

in the night declaring that the army

is acting for the stability of the

country, it sounds like, it looks

like, it is a coup. Now, an

important caveat. If the army is

taking power I believe it is only

for the short-term this. Is about

facilitating the exit of Robert

Mugabe and bringing in somebody whom

the military trust. They loathe

Grace Mugabe and it is worth

reminding people of what she

represents to people who fought in

the revolutionary war in the 60s and

70s that brought Robert Mugabe. They

see her as somebody who goes around

the world on lavish shopping trips

buying diamond rings, becoming

involved in public scandals in South

Africa where she attacked a model

who was seen with her two sons and

as somebody who has no revolutionary

pedigree and somebody who does not

belong in the Zanu party. It was a

matter of time before something gave

and the decent by Robert Mugabe

pushed undoubtedly by his wife and

the faction around her to remove the

Vice-President, a man close to the

military, that was the last straw.

And if really is the end of Robert

Mugabe as president of Zimbabwe, a

country he has run for decades with

an iron fist, how significant is

that? Ah, I think we've lost him.

OK, apologies, we will try and get

back to Fergal Keane later. We will

continue to bring you reaction from

Zimbabwe. Breakings news that the

president -- breaking news that the

president, Robert Mugabe maybe an

ex-president. He is being detained

for his safety in his home and the

interim leader has been installed.

He is the current Vice-President.

Time for the latest

news, here's Annita.

The interim leader of

the Labour Party in Scotland,

Alex Rowley, has stepped aside

from the role amid claims

about his conduct.

Mr Rowley said he "totally refuted"

allegations from a former partner

published in the Scottish Sun

newspaper who said their

relationship "felt like emotional

blackmail and abuse".

The MSP for Mid Scotland and Fife

has referred himself to the party's

investigations unit.

The Government has defeated several

amendments by MPs. Some Tory

backbenchers are lining up with

opposition parties to demand further

changes as the EU withdrawal Bill

continues its passage through the

Commons. More contentious votes are

expected in the coming weeks

relating to ministerial powers and

enshrining the date for Brexit in

law.

Australians have overwhelmingly

backed legalising same-sex marriage

in a historic poll.

People took to the streets

to celebrate the result

after more than 60% voted in favour

of allowing same-sex couples to wed.

More than 12.7 million people took

part in

the non-binding postal vote.

The husband of Nazanin

Zaghari-Ratcliffe -

the British woman being held in Iran

after visiting her family there -

will meet the Foreign Secretary

Boris Johnson this morning

to discuss her continued

imprisonment.

Mr Johnson apologised

after mistakenly claiming

Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe had been

training journalists

when she was arrested

in Tehran in April last year.

Her family says the comments

could result in another five years

being added to her jail term.

The meeting will focus on the UK

Government's efforts

to secure her release

on humanitarian grounds.

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

We will hear from the Foreign

Secretary Boris Johnson shortly, he

is being asked about the situation

in Zimbabwe.

The latest unemployment

figures are just out.

Andy verity is here.

Average

earnings are up 2.2%, excluding

bonuses so that's good news, but

lower than inflation, of course,

unemployment 4.3%, down 59,000. But

what is noticeable, for the first

time for years that I can remember

the total number of people in work

has dropped. It has been rising and

hitting a record every time these

numbers come out, but now, it has

dropped by 14,000 to just over 32

million. It is still a huge

workforce. Still more than we had

last year or six months ago, but the

fact that it seems to have turned

the corner is interesting and we

have had some good news on

productivity. That had been falling.

The amount we produce per hour or

per worker, but now we have had news

in July to September it rose by

0.9%. That's good news for the

Chancellor in the forthcoming Budget

in the sense that he can anticipate

that if we are producing more, we

might be paid more and that it will

mean more tax coming in.

Thank you.

Sport now and here is Will. Martin

O'Neill will speak to the country's

Football Association about his

future later after failing to reach

the World Cup. The celebrations from

the Danish despite having the lead

the Irish last night in Dublin.

O'Neill and Keane agreed contract

extensions last month. England were

held to a goalless draw by Brazil in

a friendly at Wembley following on

from their nil-nil against Germany.

Gareth Southgate fielded a young

England side. They could have

snatched victory late on. The

Liverpool striker denied in the last

ten minutes. Another manager whose

future is in doubt is the Wales

boss, Chris Coleman. Tom Laurence

putting them ahead in Cardiff before

Panama's stoppage time equaliser.

With eight days before the first

Ashes Test, a great day for this man

on the right, Chris Woakes, the

first Test in Brisbane, Woakes

taking six wickets yesterday as

England were made to field all day

by cricket Australia 11. The hosts

249-9. I will have more for you at

10am.

Next, as YouTube comes under

increasing pressure to remove music

videos which may be seen

to glamorise or encourage

knife and gun crime,

we've been to meet people who make

rap and grime videos and say they're

worried that they'll

be targeted unfairly.

Pacman makes videos

which get millions of views.

He says they're just portraying real

life for many people

and there's a difference

between rapping about violence

and condoning it.

This report from Andy Jones does

contain flashing images and footage

which some people

may find offensive.

I've been filming

videos, I've seen...

I've seen people pull out

some serious weapons.

I've seen guys get shot.

I can't rap about anything positive,

because like I haven't seen

more of that life yet.

Rap, its imagery and its lyrics

still has the power to divide.

Critics say it glamorises

violence and criminality.

Fans say rap music is just that -

music, and a vital expression

of the lives some young people lead.

We've spoken to those on both

sides of the argument,

and we've had rare access

to the youngsters starring in videos

and been on location

with the underground

film-maker producing them.

Hello.

How you doing?

Good to meet you.

Good to see you.

Thanks so much for having us in.

It's cool.

Come through.

Come through.

This is the studio.

Pacman runs his own

YouTube music platform.

In the past, he's worked with gangs,

but he wants to show us another side

to the scene he's involved in.

It's all about them just

broadcasting themselves,

showing that, showing what they've

got to offer, what they

bring to the table.

That's it.

Everyone wants good exposure

at a high standard, and that's

what I'm offering to them.

I know that when I've shot videos,

all of them have said to me, Pacman,

that's why I like him,

because you come anywhere.

Other cameramen, they try to get

through to them, either they're

scared or they won't come or they're

picking sides with someone that that

person's not cool with, but...

OK.

I don't care about all that stuff.

Although Pacman says he is careful

not to get involved in rivalries,

his video shoots are not drama-free.

I've been filming

videos, I've seen...

I've seen people pull out

some serious weapons.

I've seen guys get shot.

But the thing is, that's

always like a personal,

a personal sort of in-house issue

in the areas, it's not

anything to do with me.

So I'm not particularly scared.

But obviously to a normal

civilian or a bystander,

obviously is going to be

a scary situation.

Yeah, seeing someone get

shot is a scary thing.

Yeah, of course.

So what happened when this guy...

Someone was filming

with you, and somebody came

past and shot at them.

What happened?

Well, I will show you the video.

Someone got shot, and the guys

just carried on filming

like nothing happened.

But I think...

I think obviously that's

the environment, so that's

what they're used to.

So a guy got shot,

and they were just like,

we've paid for your time,

Pacman, we want you to carry on?

Yeah, yeah.

Pretty much.

There is concern from

the London Mayor's office that some

of the videos posted on YouTube

in particular can incite violence

and build up tensions

between rival gangs.

Although they say they are not

targeting general rap and music

videos, they do want online outlets

to do more to quickly remove

videos which include

extreme graphic content.

Sophie Linden is the deputy mayor

for policing and crime.

She didn't speak to us

about Pacman's channel, but did talk

to us about their campaign to tackle

gang violence online.

Well, the Met and ourselves

are taking this very seriously

in terms of what is being put

up onto YouTube.

Gangs are using YouTube to make

very specific threats

and intimidation and harassment,

and sometimes incite violence.

They are putting videos up that

possibly to people who just look

at it that don't know or aren't

a member of a gang, they may seem

to be fairly innocuous,

but the Metropolitan Police have

experts judging these videos,

and they believe and have asked

YouTube to take some of them down

because they do insight violence

and they are causing tensions.

And these are tensions

in communities and amongst

gangs that are very,

very able to take violent measures.

Now, we've had conversations

with YouTube, and YouTube

are taking some action,

but what we want them to do

is to take much tougher action

and much more quickly.

The Mayor's office is clearly

concerned, but Pacman argues

the videos he makes are just

an expression of his

clients' lives rather

than something more dangerous.

What does your mum

think of all of this?

Shall we call her and ask her?

Well, we can do, yeah!

PHONE RINGS.

Hello?

I'm with the BBC.

They want to ask you some questions.

OK.

Are you free to talk?

I wanted to ask, what do you think

of the crazy life he leads?

Oh, the guy has worked hard.

I am ever so proud of him.

It must be quite scary knowing that

he's driving to some

dangerous places sometimes?

Of course, of course,

I'm always scared.

I'm his mother, I have to be.

Doesn't I?

You know, he's alone out

there, and you never know

what's around the corner.

You're worried about him

even if sometimes he isn't?

He knows what he does.

You know, he knows

the people he's seeing.

He feels quite safe, really.

He's always telling me there's

nothing to worry about.

And do you ever watch

any of his videos?

Of course I do.

I comment on all of them.

If I could tell the Queen

about Pacman TV, I will,

because he's done so much.

He's taken so many kids off

the street, doing something

that they love and they enjoyed

doing, and I'm proud of him.

Very much.

Tell him.

He listens to me in

that video sometimes.

When people aren't clued

up on the situation,

when they don't know what's

going on, that's when they make

assumptions and form

their own opinions.

But it's only when you show

them that they realise

that there is actually something

constructive that's going on,

and that's not a negative thing,

that actually people trying

to either show themselves in a good

light or trying to make a business

from what they're doing.

And that's what J Gang's doing now.

I'm going to show you this video.

He's got a track called Choices,

and it's about choices

growing up in Brixton.

# Girl, did you know it's me.

# I know that you know it's me.

# It's us when you say something

late and you're looking at me.

# All my exes, they say I'm drugs.

# Me and Bandal, you

know we're thugs...

I've got a lot of music talking

about the streets here.

It is bad stuff, but it's stuff

that is in the public eye anyway.

It's reality.

People are taking drugs.

People are using guns,

people are using knives.

This is stuff that we see

on the news, stuff that we see

in the South London press.

This is stuff that we see anyway.

And I've seen certain things

that just by chance I've

seen certain things.

You could have been in the same

position as me and seen it.

So why not rap about it?

What do you get out of putting

the videos on YouTube?

I love doing music.

At the same time, there's a lot

of people blowing up from music.

So it's a way out at the same time.

Because everyone, like,

the people that I know that's bad

they've all wanted to turn good.

Sometimes it's too late.

Sometimes you end up in jail.

And then you can't get out

of the situation that

you're in, and then you wish that

you just went legit.

Yeah, man, that's a wrap.

But is there a danger that even

by rapping about gangs and violence,

people could get wrong message?

In 2015, Marcel Addai was murdered

after a chain of video exchanges

between gangs in London

erupted into violence.

His four killers got

a combined 97 years in prison.

The Met have told us that social

media platforms are awash

with videos that glamorise gang

violence, and these have

been on the increase

since around September 2015.

The Met say that they only want

videos removed if they raise

the real risk of violence

on the streets.

And they continue to work

with YouTube and other platforms

to get better results.

They recognise that there's

more work to be done.

However, the Met tell us

that they flagged up

16 videos this year,

and only seven have been taken down.

Even though they might rap about it

in their videos, none of the people

we spoke to condone violence,

and say they aren't

members of any gangs.

Pacman says he knows where to draw

the line when making videos.

If you see anything that's too

graphic, anything that seriously

targets the individual or nudity

or anything that's

seriously controversial,

YouTube just take it down.

If the police ask YouTube

to take a video down,

do you think they should take

the video down?

I think it depends

on the actual content.

If it is within reason,

then fair enough.

But if somebody's simply rapping,

and the content's not violent

or doesn't attack anyone,

it's unfair for that person, for

them to have the content removed.

So, what are we doing tonight?

What's happening?

Basically, we're

in Beckton right now.

About to film a guy called S-Rose,

he's got a track called

Last Night At The Six.

We're doing it because this area

is in E6, in Beckton.

So, he's got a few luxury cars

coming to show that it's

a transition in the music scene,

going from filming on a block

to filming in a nice

sort of atmosphere.

OK.

This sounds like it's got

a bit of money behind it.

This is just you messing

about with a camera and him.

Where does the money come from?

Young entrepreneurs, man.

The money's coming from Spotify,

Apple Music, YouTube adds.

That sort of stuff.

Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, that's

the Lambo and the Range...

Ooh!

S-Rose has his videos

on Pacman's channel.

He raps about gang life

and spending time in prison.

My name was Scumz, but obviously

I've changed it to S-Rose now,

because obviously I feel like I've

risen from the person I was, so...

S-Rose may have hired

the Lamborghini, but for him,

rapping in front of it represents

a new life.

I'm going to turn my

negative into positive,

you know what I'm saying?

I can't rap about anything positive,

because I haven't seen

more of that life yet.

But I'm going to rap

about what I've been through,

and actually let it change

other people, like that,

d'you know what I mean?

That's the only way

I can express myself.

Throughout the shoot, neighbours

come out to see what's going on.

Some are happy and want

to pose with the cars.

Others want the group to move on.

The people who live

here, they're worried.

Do you think they're

going to complain about the noise?

Noise level, yeah, it's high.

Very, very high.

They have gone to their beds.

They are working.

I just saw, when they know what's

going on, they're kind of curious,

or they might not want us to be

around the area.

But we've told them

it's going to be fine.

Surprisingly, no police have come

at all, so it's been a good shoot.

Is it a result when no

police turn up?

When police do turn up,

it distresses the neighbours.

They sort of think that

there's an issue going on,

when really it's just a bunch

of guys trying to make

some good music.

It's early evening,

so it's not a problem.

I don't think, anyway.

I've lived here for ten years,

and this is a great

place to take pictures.

You know, the guys are just

trying to make a living.

They're trying to make some positive

attitudes to the music scene.

So, the residents that

have a problem with that,

I don't think they will.

They're trying to make their lives

a little bit better.

So, ten minutes of a little bit

of high music, let's roll with it.

YouTube told us it's always been

a place for creative expression,

but it also has rules that

are grossly enforced.

They don't allow videos

which promote violence or harass,

bully or threaten, and to help them

understand local context,

they work closely with the Met

police who flag up any videos

they work closely with the Met

Police, who flag up any videos

which are genuine threat.

Tallest Trapstar is a regular face

on Pacman's YouTube channel,

and says the contents of his videos

are based on his experiences.

He denies glamorising

violence, even though his

videos feature guns.

I'm not using the guns

to cause any violence.

I'm not shooting anyone in my video.

I'm not shooting the guns.

It's just like a setting, it's just

a scene, just like in a story,

there's different scenes,

different settings, so that's

just part of the settings

related the tune.

I'm just trying to get somewhere

which is far from the negative side,

like all these things that people

probably think of me,

you get what I'm saying?

That's not what we're here to do.

We're here to help people,

to bring everyone together,

so I don't think these videos should

be taken down, because it's just

people's work, people's energy.

Some people are trying

to tell a story.

Some people are actually

just acting it out, do

you get what I'm saying,

because it's a form

of entertainment,

just like movies are,

like when people make horror films,

nobody's complaining about these,

and these directors and creators

of these movies, they get

millions off this.

Just because a guy from the area

is making a tune about his upcoming

and what he's been through,

I don't think that's a bad thing.

I think it's just a step forward

in life, like an people

to understand that people actually

need help, do you get

what I'm saying?

# Somebody save me.

# Save me...

With the Met and the London Mayor's

office claiming more needs to be

done, Pacman knows that it's more

than just his own fans who will be

watching his videos closely.

I don't really think music has that

much of an influence

on how people behave.

I think because I actually ask these

guys, why do they make music?

Most of the guys told me

they are just trying

to express themselves,

or trying to make some money and get

out of their circumstances.

And this is the best way how.

After 10am, we'll hear from someone

who's made videos for Stormzy

and those who want to see YouTube

remove more videos.

The Supreme Court in London

is due to announce any

minute now its ruling

on whether the Scottish Government

can finally introduce minimum

pricing for alcohol,

to tackle binge-drinking.

The case was brought

by the Scotch Whisky Association,

which argues that ministers

at Holyrood should increase

tax on alcohol, rather

than discriminate against products

because they are cheap.

Whatever the decision it will have

implications for other part

of the UK which are looking

at doing the same.

We'll bring you the ruling

as soon as it happens -

but how much could it affect

the cost of alcohol?

You can buy a cheap

bottle of wine for £3.75.

But with the new minimum pricing,

it would cost £4.50 -

so that's an extra 75p.

A mid-range bottle of vodka

would currently cost about 15 quid.

But if this new pricing

is introduced it would cost £18.75 -

that's an additional £3.75.

You can pick up 20 bottles of beer

for around ten quid in some shops,

but under minimum pricing it would

have to cost 13 pounds or more.

And finally - the big one.

A two-litre bottle

of mid-range cider.

That would normally cost £3.99,

but in the future, it

could have to sell for £7.50 -

that's an extra £4.51.

The minimum price would be set

at 50p per unit of alcohol.

Weekends beep to Dr Peter Wright,

chair of the Scottish Health Action

on Alcohol Problems, Sam Bowman from

a right-leaning think-tank and Alys,

whose mother was alcoholic

throughout her childhood. Dr Peter

Wright, why do you think the minimum

pricing is a good idea?

We for this

ten years ago in the medical

profession in Scotland because we

saw the impact that some of these

very cheap tanks that you're talking

about, the mid-range cider,

described as a 7.5% volume, the same

alcohol as half a litre of spirits,

and we were hearing from our

patients with liver disease,

addiction, families being affected

by the drinking... We did not hear

the strings being discussed in

policy circles and we really wanted

to shine a light and what was

happening on the front line with

these very heavy drinkers and we

wanted to call for action. It was

focused on the very cheapest drinks

which do the most harm. We had good

support from the Scottish

Parliament.

Is there a link between

a minimum price per unit of alcohol

and pricing problem drinkers out of

the market?

There is certainly a

link on influencing their behaviour.

People are sensitive to price, and

that includes the heaviest renters.

And we believe that minimum price...

But if you are dependent it doesn't

matter what the price is?

Not true.

I have spent many years working with

heavy drinkers and they are heavily

price dependent. These heavy

drinkers' drinking increased as the

prices fell and we have very good

grounds to believe it will fall as

the price rises.

Sam Bowman, there

is the evidence?

You can look at the

evidence but I think the evidence is

junk and some of the figures are

bogus. One being that problem

drinkers are not just a sensitive to

price but more sensitive than

anybody else. That seems totally

counterintuitive. If you look at the

general evidence around problem

drinking, it is actually that they

are very insensitive to price. They

are the least likely people to

reduce drinking because of price.

The people who WILL get hit by this

are people like my dad, who drinks

maybe one or two cans of lager in

the evening, people like me, I quite

enjoy those £4 bottles of wine

because I am a cheapskate and I like

to have a glass of wine in the

evening, and people watching at

home, who might be on tight incomes

and might not have had a pay rise in

the last couple of years and enjoy

being able to have a glass of wine

or a couple of beers watching the

match. And pricing is unjust because

it targets the bottom of the market

only. Rich people cause problems

when they drink and they spend more

money on alcohol and they actually

drink more than people. But this

policy does nothing to affect

middle-class and rich people.

I'm

going to bring in Alys. Hello,

thanks for talking to us. What role

do you think cheap drink played in

your mother's alcoholism?

I think

that having alcohol that was so

accessible in a period of time when

my mother wasn't working, she could

still afford to go out and buy

alcohol because it was so cheap. I

understand what Sam Bowman was

saying, if you have a drink problem,

then you are still going to go and

buy it. However I think it is going

to deter you, you're going to think

twice about the fact that the drink

is more expensive. Especially for

maybe people who are more, like

people who are on the streets, for

example. Who have got alcohol

problems. It's going to be more

difficult and it might make people

want to get help more.

Is that fair,

Dr Peter Wright?

Absolutely. I think

what we are talking about is making

the slippery slope a bit less

slippery and a bit less steep. For

the latter part of my career I

worked with many doctors with

alcohol problems, and they drink the

cheap stuff. Once they got into

heavy drinking they gradually went

down the same way as everyone else.

So the notion that well off people

don't drink cheap alcohol is just

not correct.

Well off people also

drink expensive alcohol. Poor people

only drink cheap alcohol, that is

the point.

What is impossible for me

to accept is that people in Glasgow,

Blackpool, Middlesbrough, Rhondda

Valley, but cheap alcohol is doing

these communities a favour. Alcohol

can take people at the age of 55, so

these communities are losing many

people in the middle of their

working lives. Families are losing

individuals. The death rate went up

considerably in the early part of

the century on the back of cheap

supermarket alcohol and I cannot see

that you can argue that these cheap

drinks have been doing these

deprived parts of our country a

favour.

We are still waiting for the

ruling. We are expecting it any

moment. As soon as it happens and as

soon as it is handed down in the

Supreme Court, we will bring that to

you live. Thank you very much for

being on the programme. Let's have a

being on the programme. Let's have a

look at the weather, with Carol.

Good morning. We really have mixed

fortunes in the weather this

morning. Some of us have drizzle

whilst others will be starting off

on a sunny note. The cloud across

Wales, south-west England and

Northern Ireland will continue to

break and we will have sunny spells

developing in the afternoon. We will

hang on the cloud across the

Midlands and the south-east. Later

in the day, a new band of rain will

come across Scotland accompanied by

gusty winds. And that will be

sinking southwards across all of

Scotland and Northern Ireland

through the course of the night,

with colder conditions following on

behind. Tomorrow will be brightening

up and the weather front will

continue to trundle down towards the

south-east. Ahead of it we've got

sunshine in the south, still in

milder conditions and behind it,

cooler. Some of the showers in the

north and west of Scotland will be

wintry in nature.

Hello, it's Wednesday, it's 10am,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

Our top story this morning -

the army in Zimbabwe has seized

control of the country but denies it

has staged a coup.

President Robert Mugabe,

the man who has ruled the country

with an iron fist for decades,

has been detained.

As soon as we have accomplished our

mission, we expect that the

situation will return to normal

assy. We wish to make it abundantly

clear that this is not a military

takeover of government.

We will

bring you all latest on the story in

the next few minutes.

We'll be taking a look at the films

being shown in schools

warning about the dangers

of child sexual exploitation.

They are so graphic and realistic

that some say they're

traumatising children.

One day I woke up naked in a strange

town. No money. No mobile. Nothing.

Life became a blur.

We'll speak to one parent

who said her daughter was left

traumatised after she showed

her one of the films.

And in a few moments

we are joined by Strictly star

Alexandra Burke and her dance

partner Gorka Marquez.

If you have got a question for them

do get in touch.

Our top story today is the breaking

news from Zimbabwe,

where the military has seized

control of the country

in what it is claiming is not a

coup, but a "bloodless transition".

Reports say Zimbabwe's

President Robert Mugabe

and his family have been detained.

After taking over state TV,

an army spokesman said

President Mugabe and his family

were "safe", but that it was

targeting people close to him

who had caused "social

and economic suffering".

The move came after President Mugabe

sacked his deputy -

a rival to his wife Grace

in the struggle to be

the country's next leader.

Our correspondent Milton Nkosi

is in neighbouring South Africa.

So this is a battle to to see who

takes over from President Mugabe,

the world's oldest state leader?

Yes, indeed. The 93-year-old

president was clearing the way for

his wife, Grace to take over as

Vice-President and in the process he

sacked a liberation struggle hero

who has his deputy and that is what

has triggered the events we have

seen coming from the military. They

felt that it was unacceptable that

Grace Mugabe, who was once a typist

in Robert Mugabe's...

PROBLEM WITH SOUND

Unfortunately, the, as you can see,

the line has frozen. I do apologise.

We will try and get back to Milton

as soon as we can. We will keep you

updated. In fact, we can go back to

Milton. I apologise, you were

half-way through the answer. This is

a battle for who succeeds Robert

Mugabe?

Yes, indeed, what I was

saying Victoria there, the military

found it unacceptable that Grace

Mugabe, who was once a typist in

Robert Mugabe's office was likely to

become head of state, pushing away a

liberation struggle hero and that's

what triggered the events that we've

been seeing in the last few hours.

What does Grace mugry represent?

What the Army is concerned about is

the people who fought against white

minority rule in the liberation

struggle. They want those people to

keep going because they feel that

this struggle has not yet ended.

Remember, there were land invasions

in Zimbabwe a few years ago because

they felt that white communities

still owned too much of the land in

comparison to local indigenous

communities. So, they want the

liberation struggle momentum to keep

going and they felt that Grace

Mugabe who does not have liberation

struggle credentials could not be

the head of state.

Thank you very much, Milton, thank

you.

More on Zimbabwe through the

programme.

In the meantime, here's

Annita in the BBC Newsroom

with the rest of today's news.

Unemployment fell by 59,000 between

July and September to 1.42 million,

official figures show.

The jobless rate now stands at 4.3%,

but the number of people classed

as economically inactive -

those not in work and not seeking

a job - rose by the most

in nearly eight years.

Average earnings increased by 2.2%

in the year to September.

The interim leader of

the Labour Party in Scotland,

Alex Rowley, has stepped aside

from the role amid claims

about his conduct.

Mr Rowley said he "totally refuted"

allegations from a former partner

published in the Scottish Sun

newspaper who said their

relationship "felt like

emotional blackmail and abuse".

The MSP for Mid Scotland and Fife

has referred himself to the party's

investigations unit.

The UK's highest court is due

to give its verdict shortly

on whether Scotland can finally

enforce its policy of minimum

pricing for alcohol.

Legislation was approved

by the Scottish parliament five

years ago, but it has been tied up

in court challenges amid claims it

breaches European law.

Ministers say a 50-pence-per-unit

minimum would help tackle

what they called Scotland's

"unhealthy relationship" with drink.

Australians have overwhelmingly

backed legalising same-sex marriage

in an historic poll.

People took to the streets

to celebrate the result,

after more than 60% voted in favour

of allowing same-sex couples to wed.

More than 12.7 million people took

part in the non-binding postal vote.

The husband of Nazanin

Zaghari-Ratcliffe,

the British woman being held in Iran

after visiting her family there,

is meeting the Foreign Secretary,

Boris Johnson, this morning

to discuss her continued

imprisonment.

Mr Johnson apologised

after mistakenly claiming

Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe had been

training journalists

when she was arrested

in Tehran in April last year.

Her family says the comments

could result in another five years

being added to her jail term.

The meeting will focus on the UK

Government's efforts

to secure her release