16/11/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello it's Thursday.

It' 9 o'clock, I'm Chloe Tilley,

welcome to the programme.

Police investigating

the Grenfell Tower tragedy

say 70 people and a still-born baby

make up the final death toll.

Everyone has now been identified.

We'll have the details.

Zimbabwe's elderly leader,

Robert Mugabe,

remains under house

arrest this morning.

He's being held by the country's

military in what many see as a move

to stop him handing power

to his wife.

Jacob Zuma has sent a team from

South Africa to reach out to the

different leaders here, in the

military, as well as president

Robert Mugabe, to try to form some

sort of solution. That is what the

people are waiting for.

We'll have the latest and find out

what ordinary Zimbabweans

think of what's going on.

It's exactly a year since former

professional footballer

Andy Woodward spoke bravely

about the sexual abuse

he suffered as a young player.

Today he's back to tell us if enough

is being done to keep children safe.

And how a pioneering scheme

could help people who've had cancer

cope with the fear it might come

back.

Welcome to the programme,

we're live until 11 this morning.

The Government says housing

associations will be allowed

to build more homes,

but will it be enough to bring down

prices and get more people

on the housing ladder?

Theresa May says building homes

quickly is her personal mission.

If you're priced out of home

ownership,

let us know what measures

would help you most.

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Our top story today.

Police believe they have now

found and identified

the bodies of everyone who died

in the Grenfell Tower fire.

They put the final number of victims

at 70, including a stillborn baby.

In the immediate

aftermath of the blaze,

400 people were listed as missing.

Police say footage showed 223

people escaping the fire,

while others were not at home

on the night of the fire

in June this year.

They said the search

and identification operation

had been "meticulous."

We are hoping to speak with a police

officer from Scotland Yard in the

next few minutes. In the meantime,

we will head over to the newsroom

and get the latest.

The future of Zimbabwe's long time

leader Robert Mugabe

remains unclear this morning,

after he was placed under house

arrest by the country's military.

Two envoys from South Africa have

arrived in the capital Harare

to try to hold talks

with the 93-year-old

and with the country's generals

who deny there's been a coup.

It's been seen by many as a move

to prevent Mr Mugabe's wife Grace

from succeeding him in power.

Our correspondent Pumza Fihlani is

folliwing events from Johannesburg.

There seems to be in efforts to

persuade Robert Mugabe to step aside

although ZANU-PF says that he is

still in charge, so what is going

on?

We expect it to be a long day of

talks in Zimbabwe, in its role as

chair of the region, Jacob Zuma has

sent an envoy to the country to try

to persuade Robert Mugabe and the

generals that have led the military

takeover to come to some sort of

agreement. What is not clear is what

those talks will actually put on

offer. There are rumours that, there

are conversations about a

power-sharing deal that will take

the country into next year, and into

the elections next year. Also on

offer they are talking about an

option for the president to step

down and the vice president, Emerson

and am, to take over, but at this

moment, none of that has taken

place, but we understand talks are

about to take place being led by the

African government. To the very

install stability. -- Emmerson

Mnangagwa. The nature of that will

purely depend upon what president

Robert Mugabe sees as a fair process

out of the crisis he finds himself

in at the moment.

Thank you very

much for that update.

Plans to encourage housing

associations to borrow money

to invest in new homes

will be announced later.

The government is to wipe

about £70 billion-worth

of debt from housing associations'

balance sheets, allowing them

to raise money more cheaply.

It comes after Theresa May

pledged to kickstart

a new generation of council house

building last month.

But Labour said there was no

coherent plan to address

the "housing crisis".

The Shadow Chancellor,

John McDonnell, will use a speech

in London this morning to set out

Labour's spending demands,

ahead of the Budget next week.

He'll call for an "emergency

budget" for public services

and urge the government to make

a "genuine and decisive

change of course".

The Conservatives say

Mr McDonnell's plans

would lead to more debt,

higher taxes, and fewer jobs.

Thousands of women with previously

untreatable breast cancer

are to have access to two new drugs.

The two have been shown

to slow down advanced

cancer, and can delay

the need for chemotherapy.

They've been approved

for NHS use in England,

after it negotiated a price

agreement with the manufacturers.

The impacts of climate change

are already inevitable,

even if the world immediately

and radically cuts its carbon

dioxide emissions,

a new study claims.

An international research programme

called HELIX says sea

levels will rise by as much as 50

centimetres by the end

of the century.

Its findings are being presented

at the UN climate talks in Germany,

where world leaders will discuss

the future of the Paris accord,

the climate change treaty

that the United States says it wants

to withdraw from.

The number of guns, drugs and fake

goods being smuggled into the UK

could rise after Brexit,

unless a "significant" number

of extra border staff are recruited.

That's according to a group of MPs.

The Home Affairs Select Committee

says ministers must draw up

contingency plans to prevent long

delays at ports and airports

if customs controls change

when Britain leaves the EU.

The government says it'll ensure

enough resources are available.

The World Anti-Doping Agency has

decided to maintain Russia's

suspension for being noncompliant.

It comes less than three months

before the Winter Olympics, where

Russia could still face a ban by the

IOC. Russia was suspended after a

report detailed a state-sponsored

doping scheme in 2014.

The social media companies Facebook

and Snapchat are to trial a new

service offering direct support to

victims of cyberbullying. It's after

a campaign led by the Duke of

Cambridge, who set up a taskforce

looking into the issue 18 months

ago. He'll launch a new code of

conduct for the internet later today

- urging young people to "stop,

speak and support" each other

online.

A 500-year-old painting of Christ,

believed to have been created by

Leonardo da Vinci, has been sold in

New York for a record 400 million

dollars - that's over 300 milion

pounds. -- $400 million. -- £300

million.

The price for Salvator Mundi,

or "Saviour of the World",

is the highest ever paid

for a work of art.

Da Vinci died in 1519

and there are fewer than 20

of his paintings in existence.

Top story now, police investigating

the Grenfell Tower tragedy, they say

that 70 people and a stillborn baby

make up the final death toll, I say

everyone has now been identified.

Our correspondent Tom Burridge is at

New Scotland Yard.

It has taken the

Met five months to reach this point

but a few statistics about the

tragedy of Grenfell Tower, the

police investigation involves tens

of millions of documents that have

been seized, more than 300 companies

have deemed to have been of

interest, unprecedented

investigation for the Metropolitan

Police. I'm pleased to say that

Stuart Cundy joins us. This grim

figure, five months to come up with

an official death toll, 71 people

including a stillborn baby, why so

long?

I think, firstly, I have said

it before, on behalf of myself and

the rest of my colleagues, our

hearts continue to be with those

affected, I cannot imagine the agony

of those that have died have gone

through, from Day 1 it has been a

priority for us to search Grenfell

Tower, find all of those that died,

recover them with dignity, and

subsequently identify them.

Yesterday, the last two identities

of those recovered were confirmed to

the satisfaction of the coroner. I

now know with confidence that the

number of people who have died as a

result of the fire is 71, including

a stillborn baby. It has taken so

long because of the sheer challenge

that Grenfell Tower has placed on

all the emergency services but

particularly the specialist teams

that we used to recover all those

that have died. 71 people, and it is

not about a number, it is about the

people, it has always been at the

heart of what we do. The challenge

has been immense, we have had

specialist teams work through 15 and

a half tonnes of debris on each and

every floor of Grenfell Tower, by

hand, to find every single fragment

they can of all those that have

died, that has been extremely

distressing to the families and

indeed to those involved in the

operation.

Your previous estimate

was roughly 80 people had perished

in the tower, why have you taken the

figure down and reached this

official death toll of 70, plus the

stillborn baby?

We have thousands of

calls into the bureau, in June,

based on all the information and the

families and next of kin that had

come forward, we projected the

figure might be 80. There is two

main reasons the number has come

down, and I am confident the final

number is 71, one reason is we are

investigating a number of fraud

investigations where individuals

have alleged there is people who

died within Grenfell Tower. Earlier

this month, one-mile pleaded guilty,

he said his wife and child had died

within the fire. The thousands of

calls we receive reported people

missing, one person reported

missing, 46 separate occasions by

different people. We spent months,

months, our investigators, trying to

track down each and every one of

those people, some of those we have

tracked down around the world, we

are now satisfied they are alive and

well. We are at the final number, it

is 71 people.

What do you say to

people who are still sceptical,

because there was a lot of

scepticism within the community in

the days, weeks and months following

the tragedy, what do you say to

someone today that is still

questioning this official figure?

The work we have done as our

investigation, not just the recovery

operation, but we are very

fortunate, we have CCTV images of

all those who came out, only one way

in and out of the tower, and footage

of everybody who came out of the

tower on the night. We have video

footage from police officers. We

have concluded that work. 223 people

came out of Grenfell Tower and

survived, which is tremendous that

so many did come out of such an

awful and horrific fire. With

confidence I can say that 223 people

were in the tower that night, not

all of them were residents, some

were visitors, some residents were

not in the tower on the night. With

confidence in terms of those we have

recovered we can say it is 71 that

have died, those 71 were the people

we were expecting to find. When I

went into Grenfell Tower, a few days

after the fire, after it had been

put out, having seen it with my own

eyes, I honestly thought that it was

likely we would not find everybody

who had died. I'm so pleased for the

families and the loved ones of all

those that died that we have been

able to find all those who died,

recover them, identify them, return

as much as we possibly can back to

families.

Thank you very much for

joining us, difficult and sensitive

work for your team, good luck with

that. The police investigation is

very much ongoing, hugely complex

investigation, looking at lots of

potential different parties, and

that investigation will probably

continue for a long time still to

come.

Thank you very much.

Do get in touch with us

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use the hashtag Victoria LIVE,

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We will talk about the BBC's annual

business price study.

Some good

news, some bad news, the price of

football server, we take several

large surveys and speak to well over

200 clubs across Britain, some of

the outcomes may surprise you. Three

years in a row, ticket prices have

frozen or have fallen, across the

vast majority of clubs. But young

people have been central to some of

the more striking and less positive

outcomes this year, let's take a

look at some of them, we spoke with

1018 to

look at some of them, we spoke with

1018 to 24-year-olds living in

Britain and a huge 82% said the cost

of football was an obstacle to them

going to matches. -- we spoke with

1000 18 to 24-year-olds. Only 4% of

season tickets were bought by young

adults. More is being asked of clubs

to engage with young fans.

If you look at the

If you look at the average age of a

season holder, it is still in the

mid-40s. Really, that is a

generation, my generation, that go

to matches regularly, still in the

habit now, but actually, the next

generation don't go regularly

because they don't have access, or

affordability issues. When they get

to our age, when we have moved on

and we are not going any more,

that's next wave of fans will not be

there.

You can find all you need to know

about the price of football study on

the website.

I wanted to talk about Russia's

chances of getting to the Winter

Olympics.

Looking slim. That's

right, four Russian athletes and

there are chances of taking part in

the Winter Olympics, very slim,

apparently the Russian federation

still not compliant with the anti

doping regulations. Why has this

happen? Essentially, an independent

compliance review committee took a

look into further the necessary

steps have been taken to lift the

ban on their athletes competing, you

will remember many of them missed

out in Rio de Janeiro, it is

understood Russia still refused to

admit to a state-sponsored doping

programme and that rather key, they

will not allow access to many of the

symbols they have in their Moscow

anti doping laboratory to be seen by

the World Anti-Doping Agency. That

will be key, we will see in time

whether they manage to get their

athletes back competing soon.

Thank

you. We will catch up with you

throughout the morning.

So the armed forces have seized

control and Zimbabwe's long-time

leader Robert Mugabe remains under

house arrest with his

future role uncertain.

But was it a coup which is when

power is seized from a government?

The military insists not

but the world remains unconvinced.

The country was left stunned

after the army took power on Tuesday

and confined the 93-year-old

veteran leader, once seen

as a liberation hero,

to his home.

Soldiers took control of the state

broadcaster and had this to say:

We wish to assure the nation that

his Excellency, the President of the

Republic of Zimbabwe and Commander

in Chief of the Zimbabwe defence

forces, comrades Robert Mugabe and

his family are safe and sound and

there are security is guaranteed. We

are only targeting criminals around

him. Who are committing crimes that

are causing social and economic

suffering in the country in order to

bring them to justice.

The so-called

criminals are widely thought to

refer to

The so-called criminals

are widely thought to

Mr Mugabe's much younger

and controversial wife Grace -

she's made no secret of wanting

to take power.

Nicknamed 'Gucci Grace'

by her critics over her love

for designer labels,

she is 41 years her

husband's junior.

She's now reportedly

fled to Namibia.

Her rival for the succession

was Mugabe's deputy

Emerson Mnan-gagwa who was sacked

by the Zimbabwe President last week

- a man popular and respected

by Zimbabwe veterans.

So Zimbabweans now face an uncertain

future and are playing

a waiting game to see

what happens next.

Mugabe is the only President

the country has known

for the past 37 years -

he's ruled Zimbabwe with an iron

grip since it gained independence

from the UK in 1980 -

to his fans, he's a nationalist hero

who liberated the nation from white

rule - to his many enemies,

he's a brutal dictator who ruled

by fear and ruined his country.

We can chat about the ongoing

situation now with Zenzale

Ndebele, who lives in

a city called Bulawayo

in Zimbabwe; Richard Dowden,

who's been writing about Zimbabwe

for decades and is the director

of the Royal Africa Society;

Priscilla Misihairabwi,

an opposition MP who was in Harare

yesterday as the military

moved in and Jason Burke,

the Africa Editor at The Guardian.

you are a couple of hours ahead of

us in is badly, it is mid-morning,

give us a sense of whether people

are going about their normal

day-to-day business.

Basically

things are quiet, soldiers in the

streets, roadblocks manned by

soldiers. The highways that are

leading out to Bulawayo. The road

that leads to South Africa, there is

a road block and loss of sound that

is the city is generally quiet.

Those sites of soldiers in the

streets.

You have a slightly

scratchy Skype line, we will try and

clean that up, Priscilla, in Harare

today.

Perhaps it is a little

different from Bulawayo, we still

have soldiers at strategic points.

In Parliament, there are soldiers.

And the head office, the

headquarters and the number of

ministers like foreign affairs are

housed and of course, on the

highway, you still have soldiers

manning roadblocks.

Jason, tell us,

I know you have spoken to lots of

people about how they are feeling in

Harare. Do you get a sense people

are pleased about what's happened or

is there a sense of nervousness?

I

have been in and out of Zimbabwe

several times in the last month, the

fact that most people I speak to in

Harare are expressing a degree of

relief comes as no surprise. The

situation over the last years in

Zimbabwe has been really dire,

economic league, primarily but also

from a political perspective. People

are just very happy there is now the

possibility that things might

change. Outside Zimbabwe a lot of

people are talking about democratic

process, governments and

constitutions, inside Zimbabwe they

are talking about the economy. A lot

of people, unemployed who have been

unemployed for a long time, they are

looking for some kind of hope that

things will turn around. Quite who

brings it to them is secondary issue

at the moment.

Richard, they are

very keen in Zimbabwe, the party of

Robert Mugabe and the military to

say this is not a coup but explain

to people via this is happening,

this isn't necessarily going against

Robert Mugabe, this is Grace Mugabe?

Robert Mugabe, now 93-94 loses it

every so often, you can see in

speeches he wanders off, falls

asleep, she has stepped in and tried

to take over, really, and that's

what worried the Army. I think where

we go from here, I'm not sure but

it's the fact he's not able to rule

the country any more and I think the

military just felt there's got to be

a change. But they didn't do it like

they do in most African countries,

where a general steps up and says I

am the new President. They are much

more concerned to make a

constitutional, inclusive, this is

quite a wise move and they aren't

not saying they haven't... They have

just let him go home. Grace Mugabe

who is behind all of this and has

been using his weakness to try and

impose her people and I think

succeed him and I think that's what

the Army does not like and I ink

most Zimbabweans do not like.

Jason

from, but this is not to be seen as

a coup, surely it requires Robert

Mugabe to stand up and say I am

standing aside and there will be an

election or someone else within the

party is going to be put forward?

Absolutely and that is where we are

at the moment, I understand talks or

ongoing between the military and

Mugabe. The only card that Mugabe

has to play is that one, he is the

only person who can resign in a way

that looks constitutional, past the

bat and, if you like, to Emerson,

the Vice President he fired last

week. Saying he is now retiring from

public life and that he is doing

this for the benefit of the nation,

or some simpler form of that. If he

does that it looks like an internal

party issue that has been carefully

mediated in a forceful way by the

military. All in-line with the use

of the ruling party and the heroes

of the independence movement. If he

doesn't and he has to be forced out

or somehow retired in a way that

does not look constitutional, then

the Army are going to carry out a

military takeover.

Let's head back

to Zimbabwe. We have cleared up

those communication lines,

Priscilla, do you agree that's what

has to happen, Robert Mugabe has to

hand over power for this to be

accepted?

Definitely. He needs to

hand over power. There is an issue

we need to deal with. In spite of

what the military is seen, it is, it

is a military coup but however, I

agree with the earlier comments,

when the military took over the one

thing that some of us were happy

about was that they spoke about the

need to adhere to the Constitution.

In fact, when the general came on

and made his statement he truly...

Loss of sound... To protect the

people of Zimbabwe and the

constitution. For what he is insane

to us now is how do we hold the

military to the things that they

have said? If they are going to be

inspecting the constitution we have

to make sure that we can go back to

the ruler of law and the lost a

manned by the military that is

imposing in the street, we

understand this is a dire situation,

things were done not in a normal

way, some of us would have been

democratically active, that does not

mean that we...

Forgive me if

jumping in, your Skype line is

jumping so slightly. What would you

like to see happen now in the

country?

I want to agree entirely

with Priscilla, my programme right

now is that people will say, it was

not a clue. Bruce was a coup! If it

looks like a duck and quacks like a

duck than it then it is a duck. You

keep talking about the former Vice

President coming back to take power,

for him to come back that means

something needs to be regulated, he

needs to be accepted back into the

party. If he comes to government

Robert Mugabe needs to rescind his

decision, otherwise the Army takes

over, puts in a puppet government

and pretends it's constitutional.

The roadblocks manned by the

soldiers, how long are they going to

be mistreated? We are rested, the

Minister that we hear, reaching a

point, the constitution of Zimbabwe,

we think for 48 hours they are

supposed to be taking him to Court.

I don't think anyone should be

overexcited and forget to look at

the human rights, this human rights

are observed... We are approaching

almost 48 hours now. Who is

currently in charge?

We will watch

with interest. Thank you all for

speaking to us. I appreciate you

taking the time to talk to us today.

Still to come...

It's a year since Andy Woodward made

the decision to go public

about the abuse he suffered

as a child at the hands

of his football coach,

now he's back to talk to us

about how speaking out

has changed his life.

What happens when you've been given

the all clear from cancer

but you can't shake feelings

of sadness and anxiety

and you don't understand why?

We'll talk about a new therapy

to help cancer survivors look

after their mental health.

Time for the latest

news - here's Annita.

The headlines and BBC News. Police

say they now think they have found

and identified the bodies of

everyone who died in the Grenfell

Tower tragedy. The number of victims

are at 71 including a stillborn

baby. In the immediate aftermath 400

people were listed as missing,

police say footage so 223 people

escaping the firefight lovers were

not at home on the night of the fire

in June this year. They said the

search and identification operation

had been meticulous.

When I went

into Grenfell Tower Sundays after

the fire, that had been put out,

having seen it with my own eyes I

honestly thought that it was likely

we would not find everybody who had

eyed and I am so pleased for the

families, the loved ones of all

those who died that we have been

able to find all those who died,

recover them, identify them, return

as much as we possibly can back to

their families.

The future of Zimbabwe's long time

leader Robert Mugabe

remains unclear this morning,

after he was placed under house

arrest by the country's military.

Two envoys from South Africa have

arrived in the capital Harare

to try to hold talks

with the 93-year-old

and with the country's generals

who deny there's been a coup.

It's been seen by many as a move

to prevent Mr Mugabe's wife Grace

from succeeding him in power.

Plans to encourage housing

associations to borrow money

to invest in new homes

will be announced later.

The government is to wipe

about £70 billion-worth

of debt from housing associations'

balance sheets, allowing them

to raise money more cheaply.

It comes after Theresa May

pledged to kickstart

a new generation of council house

building last month.

But Labour said there was no

coherent plan to address

the "housing crisis".

Missing explorer Benedict Allen has

been cited alive in Papua New

Guinea.

A 500-year-old painting of Christ,

believed to have been created

by Leonardo da Vinci,

has been sold in New York

for a record 400 million dollars -

that's over 300 milion pounds.

-- $400 million.

-- £300 million.

The price for Salvator Mundi,

or "Saviour of the World",

is the highest ever paid

for a work of art.

Da Vinci died in 1519

and there are fewer than 20

of his paintings in existence.

Russia's hopes of competing at the

Winter Olympics in February have

been dealt a blow today after the

world anti-doping agency ruled the

country is still noncompliant with

the code, Russia had been suspended

since 2015 after a doping programme

was uncovered. Mark Stoneman will be

top of the batting order, scoring a

sentry on day two of England's final

warm up game, you might remember the

groovy and Sharman from yesterday,

they have claimed the final place at

the World Cup next year, they have

beaten New Zealand, 2-0. -- shaman.

It's a year to the day since the

former professional footballer Andy

Woodward appeared live on this

programme to talk about the sexual

abuse he suffered as a young player

in the 1990s. This was him speaking

to Victoria on November 16th last

year.

I think that any person that has

suffered abuse and rape etc, will

hopefully understand where I come

from when I say this, the impact it

has had on my life is catastrophic,

and you live with that all your

life, and I cannot put it into

words, what that has done to me, but

other people out there will

understand what it does to you.

Everyone always said to me, how do

you cope, how do you deal, we

survive, and that is it.

His appearance on this programme and

in the Guardian newspaper encouraged

others to come forward. Police

forces around the country have now

received calls or information. --

have now received calls or

information from 784 victims of

abuse connected to football. 285

suspects have been identified and

331 clubs have been impacted from

Premier League to amateur level. The

age range for victims at the time of

the abuse runs from four years old

up to 20 years old. A number of

clubs have now opened their own

investigations into what happened

and whether they did enough to

protect young players. The Football

Association has also started its own

independent inquiry into the sexual

abuse scandal led by a senior

lawyer. That is expected to report

back around Easter next year. A

similar inquiry has been launched by

the Scottish FA.

We can speak with Andy now, thank

you for coming back. I can't imagine

how hard it is for you to look back

at that interview when you were

talking last year, it must seem like

more than one year ago.

Quite

emotional, watching it back, because

it has been a really difficult year.

I'm thinking back now, with the

numbers you have read out, I am

really proud that I did speak out

and I was the first to talk about

this, but it has been a difficult 12

months to say the least. Ypres when

what it has been like, when you took

that incredibly difficult decision,

you could not have possibly known

the impact it was going to have on

your life.

-- explain what it has

been like.

I knew that there was a

number of expires out there, but I

did not foresee the difficulties I

have had. -- ex players out there.

Some people have felt let down by

certain individuals, it has affected

my relationship, my previous

relationships, in terms of the

devastating effect it has had on my

children, my family, but I have kept

the strength to continue, and there

has been difficult times, there

really has. But I have continued

with that, with that in a passion

that I have got to help children in

the future.

You talk about that, you

have your own children, has it been

hard for them in particular?

It has

been very difficult for them because

of everything that has happened, it

has affected my children, I won't

lie to you.

Do you take strength

from the fact that those numbers,

foot At The Races 700 people have

come forward, 285 suspects, is that

what keeps you going? -- fact that

those numbers, more than 700 people

have come forward.

I'm all about

positivity, I want a positive

outlook for the future, I have

several projects I have been doing

over the last 12 months, one of them

being that I have met a female

called Kelly Walsh, we have a

positivity Power movement, focused

around children. I'm doing things,

I'm trying to make a positive future

for the next generation going

through, and that is so important in

terms of what I have been trying to

say. 12 months ago, with Greg Clark

and the FA, I said what the vision

was.

Have you had much support from

within football, because we are all

aware of what a Matt Schaub culture

it can be, and how lots of banter,

and manliness. -- Matt -- macho

culture. How has football cared for

you over the last year?

I will be

honest with you, football has not

done enough, we are one year on, I

have had numerous meetings with

them, some of them have been

negative. But it is one year on and

a year has passed without any

significant changes. It is

disappointing to say that. But I

have had a meeting with the FA,

briefly, yesterday, and I discussed

some things with them and I hope

that in the future, we can strive to

make those significant changes.

What

are the changes you want to see that

the FA has the power to bring about?

I have discussed it numerous times

with them, a holistically and, I met

them in June, it is all around

making that significant change and

it has to happen now. I just hope

that they will listen to me this

time. I have also met with and

spoken to the sports minister,

Tracey Crouch, she is fully behind

what I'm trying to achieve with

this.

I want to read some of the

statement the FA sent to us when

they knew that we were speaking with

you this morning, they say, one year

on, we acknowledge the bravery who

have broken their silence, they say

they have redoubled their efforts to

ensure that every child and young

person as a safe fun experience

playing or participating and

survivors of football related abuse

remain able to access the

therapeutic support with sporting

chance, they talk about the

independent review, due to report at

Easter. Is that enough?

It is not

enough, and I have discussed in a

private meeting what needs to

happen. Just a few weeks ago, and

this has spurred me on even more, I

am even more determined is out, more

passionate, just a few weeks ago in

Parliament, what was said by Mr

Clark upset me.

Explain that, for

people who did not hear that

evidence.

He spoke out in Parliament

and discussed about a private

meeting I had with him last year,

and made reference to a former

player crying like a baby... That

deeply upset me. So I needed to

explain that to him that it had

upset me, and I am more determined

now than I have ever been, more

positive now about a positive

future, that I will continue, with

the support from the sports

Minister, to make this significant

change now. It needs to happen now,

we cannot wait until the end of this

independent review. A year ago I

said about what the vision was

making positive changes. They need

to happen now. I'm so determined to

make that happen.

You say you have

spoken with the sports Minister, it

was yesterday that you spoke to her

and she is very supportive, what is

it that she is going to do, how will

she get involved?

It was a private

conversation but she has said that

she is going to speak and meet with

Greg Clark in the future, to discuss

the matters.

You think children are safe in the

game today than they were one year

ago?

Personally, after doing all the

studies and research and the groups

of people that have supported me

over the last year, I do not believe

that it is a safer place than one

year ago. But I have the tools and

the knowledge and the understanding

and also the groups of people around

me that can make that change now,

and will make it, a much safer place

for children because that is what it

is all about. This cannot happen

again, what happened all them years

ago, to all these players, this

cannot happen again.

What would you

say to parents watching this and

thinking, how do I know if my child

is safe now? Can you give them any

advice?

It is difficult, on live

television, to explain, but that is

one of the key areas that I do want

to fill trade out to football clubs,

to give them an understanding of

what to look out for. I am equipped

to do that. Having a number of years

of abuse, a number of years of

mental health issues, and mental

health and well-being is another

fundamental thing in football, and

in all sports and all walks of life,

that needs to change.

You have had

an incredibly tough year since you

were here, I know that you lost your

father a few months ago as well,

which was another thing for you to

deal with, difficult year.

It has

been, and I said last year that my

father was proud of me, and I needed

him to be proud and let go of that

feeling, you know, they were so

devastated with what happened to me.

He passed away in August, that has

been difficult. He had motoneuron

disease, I don't think enough is

done for that disease, because it is

crippling, one of the worst things I

have ever seen, watching my father

disappear. I would love to support

any organisations that do all the

work they are doing for motoneuron

disease, because it really is

devastating.

Also, I want to ask you

before you go, if you could turn

back the clock, one year ago, would

you do it all again, knowing what

you have been through in this last

year?

After seeing the numbers, as

much as it has had a massive effect

on my relationship and my family,

and people letting me down... I am

so proud of myself for doing it it

has gone global, across the world,

people now, we have a voice, people

in America speaking out, in

Parliament, people have that courage

to speak out and that is what I am

proud of. I will continue to be

proud of it and I will do this, I

will, because it is my life. I was

put on this planet to make a change.

One year from now, what you want to

see change, what realistically do

you think can have been changed?

A

positive future for children, that

is it, I am equipped with every tool

in the box to do that, and I hope

the FA and Greg Clark see that I am

that person to make this change and

do this for the future of the game,

because it is needed. I have

everything inside me plus the

fashion that I will make that change

for them.

Thank you so much for

coming on, thank you for your

bravery.

I'm sorry for getting

emotional.

Do not ever apologise for

getting emotional.

When you've been given

the all clear from cancer,

how can you overcome the fear

that the disease might,

at some point, come back?

We'll hear more about how cancer

survivors can stay on top

of their mental health.

Getting the all-clear when you've

had cancer is always

going to be good news,

but despite this, some

patients report lingering

feelings of anxiety,

isolation, even post-traumatic

stress disorder after their

treatment has finished.

Now a new project led

by Queen Mary University

of London is investigating

whether talking-based

therapies could help them.

If pilots in London and Sheffield

are successful, the treatment

could be rolled out to other areas.

Here to talk to us about it now

is the lead researcher,

Professor Stephen Taylor,

alongside Patrick Williams,

Adrienne Morgan and Faye Morey

who have all struggled mentally

after cancer treatment.

Apologies, I do not know who each of

you are, so do apologise as you come

in.

Say, is it your birthday today? It

is. Someone did tell me. Happy

birthday. Tell me, when you become

cancer free, how do you then feel?

It's quite hard and quite lonely as

well. You have basically had all

these people and all this support

and this whirlwind of emotion, and

then you finish treatment and it's

really hard. Personally for me, I

felt I wanted to get back into

normal life. The cause of the cancer

and treatment and fatigue, I

couldn't really do that. It caused

quite bad anxiety and not I wanted

to get back into normal life but had

to do it slowly, I pushed myself and

it did and really go the way I

wanted to and I ended up getting

panic attacks and anxiety and it was

really hard.

Patrick, for about you,

you had cancer six times. Yes. What

on earth does that do to your mental

health if nothing else?

I can tell

you at one time I did not want to

live any more because every time

when someone would come and tell me,

by the way, we found something

again, it took that much more away

from me and I felt as if my whole

world was caving in all the time.

I've had panic attacks, terrible

dreams, waking up in a hot sweat and

crying for no reason, just in

public. I just thought I had to do

something and I must do something.

My support structure was Macmillan,

they helped me quite a bit but

unfortunately with all services like

a lot of these, it's limited to the

resources and there weren't any

other resources outside that to help

me through the rest so I had to do

this by myself.

Adrienne, how did

you cope, some people watching this

who haven't been through cancer may

think, wouldn't you be elated when

you are taught you are cancer free,

explained, is it about the fear it

might come back?

For me, it has come

back so I have got metastatic breast

cancer, I got that some years ago

and what happens to me and to me and

my husband, we were offered through

the palliative care service, a

therapist. And he came and helped us

unbelievably because we were getting

very angry with each other. And 40

helped us see was that it was the

cancer that we were angry with and

so instead of me... Him getting

cross with me because I couldn't do

something and me saying, don't get

cross with me and then him feeling

guilty because he had got cross and

me feeling guilty because I'd made

him feel guilty... What the

therapist got us to do was say, I

would start getting cross with him

about where he is putting things in

the dishwasher! And he would put his

arms round and say you are tired,

why don't you go and sit down and I

will make you some tea. And perhaps

a gin, that sort of talking therapy

made such a big difference to the

way we have been able to cope and I

had been able to cope with this

incurable condition that I have got.

Because that must really play on

your mind all the time. You've had

it for seven years, you know it's

incurable.

Yes, and it's like a

Damocles hanging over me. Through

the therapy, one way I was dealing

with that was pretending that was

not happening. And he gave me, the

therapist gave me permission to be

in denial and pretend it's not

happening. And he asked me once, for

what would you be doing now if you

didn't have this diagnosis? And I

thought that was a really good

question. So he said, just plan your

life. Pretend it's not happening.

And that was so empowering. I have

very bad times, I get angry or yes,

I get angry, whiny and it's not

fair. But that's the way it is. And

it's about, its acceptance and

coming to realise the new normal and

making the most of life within the

new normal and it's hard. But it

helps if you have some professional

input.

Before I bring in Professor

Steph Taylor, Patrick, were you

offered any kind of therapy as we

hear Adrian describing?

When I

mentioned and I said accidentally to

my clinician that I had ideas that I

wanted to end my life, straight away

I was sent to a clinical

psychologist and prescribed

antidepressants and I did not want

to have anything to do with that at

all and I thought big mistake, I am

never going to tell anyone this

again, I have suppressed this as

much as possible, especially not

telling, so everybody asks me

questions, how do you feel and I say

fine, I do not want to go out and

tell them anything because the last

thing I wanted was to have men

invite codes coming to take me away.

Did you ask for talking therapy?

You

did not know? I did not know

anything about this, I knew this was

happening to me and I mentioned it

and that was the explosion that

happened after and I thought, not a

thing to mention, I am going to keep

this quiet.

Professor Taylor, come

in on this, explain how it works. We

have heard about Adrienne's therapy,

but explain how this is different.

We have funding for a large trial to

explore in a systematic way the

routine offering of acceptance

commitment therapy which is a token

-based therapy, as people come to

the end of cancer treatment, what we

hope as we will identify people

struggling more than others with

emotional problems, some of the

people here I think would have the

ideal candidates for the study and

we will offer them a course of

except ins and commitment therapy

and the really appealing thing about

this talking therapy is that it is

personal based, based on the

person's own values so it's very

person centred.

So it's furry

realistic about what can be

achieved.

It's called acceptance and

commitment therapy, excepting for

cannot be changed up some people

that is the risk of curtains and

committing yourself to values based

goals and things but as well as that

we know that physical activity is

really important because tiredness

is a huge problem after cancer. For

those people who want to get back to

physical activity, team members from

Sheffield who are experts in cancer

and physical activity will develop

modules that will help support those

people and again, many people who

have had cancer don't get back to

work even though they want to and

for a third of those it's about

emotional reasons we hope to be able

to support those people and work

with our team about vocational

qualifications, helping people who

want to get back to work.

As a young

person, what sort of support did you

get, did you get any kind of talking

therapy when you were having your

panic attacks and feeling

frustrated?

I went to my local

hospital, I got treated on a teenage

Cancer trust port at Addenbrooke's

but my local hospital offered me

three Macmillan, like Iain McMillan

charity based funded counselling, a

set amount of sessions that I could

have and that helped me. And that

helped me figure out why I was

having panic attacks and being able

to control them. And I think it's a

really good thing and it really

helped me and by anxiety after

treatment.

Thank you all for coming

on and being so honest and sharing

your experiences. I am so grateful.

Let me read you some comments that

have been coming in about the

conversation we had with Andy

Woodward in the last few minutes.

Sandy on Facebook says I have just

watched the interview, what a

wonderfully brave man and I wish him

all the best for the future. Well

done for speaking out. Julie says,

amazing, so brave, keep strong.

David says Andy Woodward did the

right things speaking about abuse in

sport, he's helped more than he's

ever likely to know. Lots of friends

say everything about them and them

alone, the guy is a stark, and

better nurturing friends will come

into a new and positive life for

him. So many here, Andy Woodward,

hard to hear this account, I admire

your bravery, there are times we

have to do the right thing despite

the losses and challenges and glad

that despite all that's happened

over the last year you too could

steps to keep children safe. Now how

much are we spending on the high

street? The league latest retail

sales figures have just come out and

Emmett Simpson is here. Let me come

across to speak to you, for the

latest figures telling us? -- Emma

Simpson.

They haven't been as bad as

some people were expecting. We know

October has been a pretty

challenging month because we've had

a lot of other surveys out but

looking at these figures, the

official statistics, but at what is

happening year on year, we compared

October two last October, the amount

of stuff shoppers bought was up to

.8% on the year but the volumes were

down. We spent more and bought less

so the volume of goods was down

0.3%, that's the first time that

measure has fallen in about four

years, we are spending more and

buying less and that's because

prices have been rising.

That's what

I was going to ask is it because we

are buying more expensive items or

coping with inflation?

People are

being more cautious because they are

spending, wages have not in keeping

up with the cost of living and we've

been seeing that in the last few

months. What is interesting, the

other measure, what happened month

on month. According to the Office

for National Statistics, Labour,

there was a little bit of growth

compared with September and an

interesting point they were making,

they sought second-hand goods

stores, charity goods stores, option

houses, providing the largest

contribution to the tiny bit of

growth we solve month on month. But

I think it's fair to say looking

back on October eight was a pretty

challenging month. For retailers.

Especially in non-food, the weather

for instance has been really mind,

who wants to go out and buy boots

and woolly coats when it's this one?

I think the big question for

retailers is what does this tell us

about what lies ahead? We are

entering the crucial trading...

Christmas!

Christmas is coming, retailers are

nervous about what will happen. And

Black Friday coming up.

Is that

Friday, the big one, that will give

us a clue as to how consumers will

spend this Christmas. Could they

have been holding back in October,

saving for Black Friday? Of course,

look at the high Street, there are

sales everywhere, discounts the law

already. So I think Black Friday

will be interesting to see what

shoppers are up to.

Emma, thank you

for explaining that to us.

Lets get the latest weather update -

with Matt Taylor.

I think the weather we are likely to

see in the next few days will boost

the sales of warm coats. The rain

pushing through here, temperatures

dropping, this cold front

responsible, moving to northern

England. To the south, feeling

pleasant. To the north, colder air,

sunnier, gales and severe gales this

morning in Scotland for a time, by

the end of the afternoon, south-west

England, southern England, towards

parts of East Anglia, patchy rain

and drizzle, a little bit of

sunshine, 14 degrees the highest.

Single digit temperatures further

north, a mild night last night,

colder night tonight, showers wintry

over the Hells, he'll too low levels

across Scotland, clear skies

elsewhere, widespread frost away

from the towns and cities. Your

Friday morning commute here and

crispy, frosty, lots of sunshine

around to start the day, patchy

cloud, parts of western England,

Wales and Northern Ireland, the bulk

of the showers to the north and west

of Scotland, heavy with hail and

thunder possible, sleet and snow

higher ground, most of us a dry day

on Friday, single digit temperatures

through the afternoon, around 8-9d

at best. Cold air Friday night, into

the start of the weekend, battle

taking place this weekend between

cold air and mild are, the net

result on Saturday, cloud for

England and Wales, patchy rain and

result not of affecting everyone,

back to double digit temperatures,

single figures further north, one or

two showers, the battle continuing

into Sunday. Cold northerly wind in

the east of the country, whether

France dry to push on from the west

bringing cloud and patchy rain. I

quickly that moves in, uncertain at

the moment, looking at the moment

that you will stay dry central and

eastern areas but feeling chilly.

That's how it's looking in the UK, a

quick look at Europe, severe floods

in Greece and Italy. Those

conditions continuing for some over

the next few days, severe low

pressure through the central

Mediterranean, continuing to

circulate and could strengthen

further through southern Italy, down

through the Adriatic awards Greece,

we see severe thunderstorms and

further flooding. Only by the time

we hit the weekend will the storms

ease.

All the victims of the

Grenfell Tower tragedy have

now been identified.

The police have told us 70 people

died, including a still-born baby.

The challenge of it has been

immense, specialist teams have

worked through 15 and a half tonnes

of debris on each and every floor of

Grenfell Tower, by hand, to find

every single fragment they can of

all those that died, that has been

extremely distressing to the

families and to those involved in

the operation as well.

Stop.

Speak.

Support - that's today's

message being delivered

by the Duke of Cambridge,

as he launches a new campaign

Happens in the playground, when it

can be seen, but online, only one of

you seize it and it is so personal

full is top

later we will be

speaking with one victim who tried

to take his own life when he was a

teenager for the And Canadian

rapper, Drake, stopped his gig in

Sydney in the middle of a set, after

he saw one of the people in the

audience being groped.

We'll speak to one fan who was there

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of todays news.

Police believe they have now found

and identified the bodies

of everyone who died

in the Grenfell Tower fire.

They put the final number of victims

at 71 including a stillborn baby.

In the immediate aftermath

of the blaze, 400 people

were listed as missing.

Police say footage showed 223

people escaping the fire,

while others were not at home

on the night of the fire

in June this year.

They said the search

and identification operation

had been "meticulous."

When I went into Grenfell Tower a

few days after the fire which had

been put out, having seen it with my

own eyes, I honestly thought that it

was likely we would not find

everybody who had died. I'm so

pleased for the families and loved

ones of all those that died that we

have been able to find all those who

died, recover them, identify them,

return as much as we possibly can

back to their families.

The future of Zimbabwe's long time

leader Robert Mugabe remains

unclear this morning,

after he was placed under house

arrest by the country's military.

Two envoys from South Africa have

arrived in the capital, Harare,

to try to hold talks

with the 93-year-old

and with the country's generals

who deny there's been a coup.

It's been seen by many as a move

to prevent Mr Mugabe's wife Grace

from succeeding him in power.

Figures out this morning reveal that

retail sales fell by 0.3% in October

compared to the same month last

year. Despite the annual fall, the

Office of National Statistics says

that the underlying pattern is "one

of growth" when looking at the three

month figure which shows a rise of

0.9% in the quantity of goods people

bought.

Plans to encourage housing

associations to borrow money

to invest in new homes

will be announced later.

The government is to wipe

about £70 billion worth

of debt from housing associations'

balance sheets, allowing them

to raise money more cheaply.

It comes after Theresa May

pledged to kickstart

a new generation of council house

building last month.

But Labour said there was no

coherent plan to address

the "housing crisis".

Thousands of women with previously

untreatable breast cancer

are to have access to two new drugs.

The two have been shown to slow down

advanced cancer, and can delay

the need for chemotherapy.

They've been approved

for NHS use in England,

after it negotiated a price

agreement with the manufacturers.

The missing British explorer

Benedict Allen

has been seen "alive and well"

near an airstrip

in Papua New Guinea.

He had been travelling

on his own to try to find

the reclusive Yaifo tribe,

whom he first met 30 years ago.

So many of you getting intact with

us after that conversation with Andy

Woodward, you may remember the

emotional interview that Victoria

did with him and other former

footballers, coming back to tell us

about how things have changed. A

tweet, he should be very proud for

speaking out. Robert says: so much

respect for this guy, incredible

that even in this age of historical

and current abuse claims, we are

still having to jump through hoops

to make any progress. We are living

in the dark ages. Andy had me in

tears yet again this morning, 12

months on and every time since in

between, what a wonderful

inspirational brave man, I hope the

BBC can pass on all of our love and

support. Stefanie: please tell Andy,

you are amazing. Stuart has got in

touch on Twitter, staggering, I am

not a follower of football, but for

Andy's incredible bravery in

bringing attention to this, I can

now say, I have a favourite

footballer. Keep those thoughts

coming.

The BBC's Price of Football survey

is out, and for the third year in a

row the average ticket price has

either fallen or stayed the same.

Our reporter Katherine Downes is at

the home of Premier League side

Stoke City. A lot for football fans

to mull over.

All the figures out,

lots of numbers to crunch, I am here

at Stoke City, one of the majority

of Premier League clubs where prices

are pretty much stayed the same or

even fallen over the past three

years. Match day ticket will cost 25

quid here, the most popular season

ticket costs £344, £200 less than

the Premier League average, and the

essential warm high at pretty Chile

Stoke City cost £3 20, although the

price of five across the Premier

League has gone up 5%, apparently

due to inflation according to the

club. -- chilly. 30 to £35, the

match day, pretty much the same as

last time

year, is it enough to keep

people coming back? Perhaps not, for

the first time the BBC has survey

1018 to 24 -- 1000 18 to

24-year-olds and 56% of them have

said that they actually go to fewer

matches as a consequence of the

expense. To talk more about this,

Adrian Hirst, head of community here

at Stoke City. How concerned are you

that fewer 18 to 24-year-olds there

to be going to Premier League

matches.

Always concerned when

someone provides evidence that there

is an age group and demographic that

are not attending, what we would

like to do is look at the numbers,

crunch them, see what the impact of

the report says on the club.

Lots of

your fans queueing up to buy tickets

for the game with Tottenham at

Wembley, tickets just released, lots

of them older gentleman, very few

young people here, have you noticed

your demographic getting over?

No,

as a football club we work hard to

make sure that football is

affordable for everybody, firstly,

because it needs to be, and we make

sure we work hard to make sure young

people and when I say young people,

we have a very clear focus on making

sure primary school children can

access Premier League football and

we are working very hard there, this

year we have given away 8000 free

shirts and we are giving away 16,000

free tickets to come and watch games

as well. So I think we are trying to

address that balance in making sure

we have young supporters attending

games. But we also need to look at

the evidence and runs the numbers

and see what evidence comes out.

White is there perhaps a case where,

yes, primary schoolchildren are

coming with parents but once people

start to go into the workplace, and

their own money, Premier League

football is not good value for money

for people who are on entry-level

wages.

Understand what you are saying but

looking at the office for the age

group you looked at, under 21, you

can attend a game for £13.60, I

don't think that is a bad offer. I

think that in the study it said

going to away games and the cost of

away games was something of concern,

but we have offered free of away

supporters travel for the past five

years. We send an official code,

travel to any Premier League away

game in the country, it costs

nothing.

Thank you very much for

that insight about how you are doing

at Stoke City to encourage younger

fans. If you are encouraged in how

much it is costing you at your club,

go to the website, a calculator will

tell you how much the price of

football is for your team. Thank you

very much for joining us.

Police investigating the Grenfell

tower tragedy say the final number

of people now known to have

died in the blaze is 71,

including a still-born baby.

They've also established that 223

people escaped the fire.

Five months on from the fire, this

is a significant moment, because the

Metropolitan Police have said this

morning that they have recovered the

remains from everyone who they

believe died that dreadful night, in

other words, they will not be

finding the remains of anyone else.

They have said they have carried out

a mammoth and meticulous search,

working layer by layer through the

building, and get it search at

times, 16 tonnes of debris they have

had to work through. A short time

earlier at Scotland Yard, Commander

Stuart Cundy, police officer,

responsible for this recovery

operation, spoke to my colleague Tom

Burridge.

The heart of myself and

the rest of my colleagues continues

to be with those affected, I cannot

imagine the agony that the family of

those who have died have gone

through. From Day 1 it has been a

priority to search Grenfell Tower,

find all those that died, recover

them with dignity, and subsequently

identify them, and yesterday, the

last two identities of those that

were recovered were confirmed to the

satisfaction of the coroner. I now

know, with confidence, the number of

people that have died as a result of

the fire is 71, sadly including a

stillborn baby. It has taken so long

because of the sheer challenge that

Grenfell Tower has placed on all the

emergency services but particularly

the specialist teams that we used to

recover all those that had died. 71

people, and it is not about the

number, it is about the people, that

has aways been at the heart of what

we do. The challenge has been

immense, specialist teams working

through 15.5 tonnes of debris, on

each and every floor of Grenfell

Tower, by hand, to find every single

fragment that they can of all those

who have died full of that has been

extremely distressing to the

families and to those involved in

the operation.

The Met have been

pushing the boundaries of what was

scientifically possible in order to

identify the people who died.

-- of

all those who have died. It has been

extreme you distressing to the

families and to those involved in

the operation.

The focus now shifts

onto the council in terms of what

happens to the building, some sort

of covering will continue to go up,

and there is a public enquiry, so

the criminal side of things,

certainly in terms of the recovery

of victims and their remains, that

seems to be coming to an end now.

There is another side to the

criminal investigation, who was

liable for this, why did the tragedy

take place, these questions will

continue in the coming weeks,

months, and probably years.

Two envoys from South Africa have

arrived in Zimbabwe's capital,

Harare, to try to hold talks

with President Mugabe.

He's been placed under house arrest

by the country's military,

whose generals deny there's

been a coup.

The army says this is an attempt

to deal with what they described

as "criminals" around

the ageing president.

That's widely seen as a reference

to Mr Mugabe's much younger

and controversial wife; she's made

no secret of wanting to take power.

Here's a quick look at who she is.

I see her as somebody who's

in the position she is purely

by virtue of the fact that she's

married to Robert Mugabe.

She's somebody who embarrasses them.

The very thought that she was in

a position where she might have

become Robert Mugabe's air apparent

at a special conference in December

meant that the military

were going to have to move

in their view to install

the man that they want

and that's Emmerson Mnangagwa.

Let's speak to our correspondent who

can bring us

I have got off the phone with the

Department for International affairs

closely monitoring what's going on.

-- our correspondent can bring us

up-to-date with what's happening. No

opposition party is involved at this

stage, it's essentially a leadership

battle between the former Vice

President and his supporters and

supporters of President Mugabe. At

the moment South Africans are trying

to broker a deal that will see

stability restored not just for

Zimbabwe but the indications within

the region in that South Africa is

home to millions of South Africans

who have sought economic

opportunities and it's important for

them to make sure peace remains in

that country. And that the school in

inverted, is does not deteriorate

further.

We were having a

conversation in our goal about this

and that was the view amongst

Zimbabweans and people covering the

country that Robert Mugabe needs to

come out and say I am standing down

and handing over power for this to

be seen as a credible, simple

transition. Do we get any sense that

is likely to happen?

That's a

difficult one to answer. We

understand what the South Africans

are going for as part of the

mediation process is a democratic

solution, that would involve

possibly persuading the President to

see reason but this is somebody who

has held onto power for 37 years,

it's unlikely he will go down

without much of a fight.

Good to

speak to you. Let's speak to them

who lives in Harare and as a human

rights activist. In 2008 he

successfully sued the Mugabe regime

provider late in the role of law and

human rights in the country, we can

speak to a guest to is a resident of

Harare. And I will start by speaking

to you, tell us the situation in

Harare at the moment, I think it's

probably coming up to mid-a the

moment, isn't it?

It's almost

mid-day and the situation looks