17/11/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello, it's Friday, it's 9

o'clock, I'm Tina Daheley,

welcome to the programme.

Theresa May meets fellow EU leaders

in Sweden today where she's expected

to come under pressure over

the Brexit negotiations.

We'll be live in Gothenburg.

Also this morning we'll

have the latest from Zimbabwe

We speculation is intense over the

long-term future of Robert McGarr

Bay, and the military is still in

control.

The Zimbabwe Defence Forces,

the ZDF, say significant progress

has been made in their operation,

adding that they have accounted

for some of the criminals around

President Robert Mugabe in order

to bring them to justice

since they were committing crimes

that are causing social and economic

suffering in the country

while others are still at large.

We'll hear from Zimbabweans who were

forced to flee from the country.

And we'll meet the British military

dog who's receiving the animal

equivalent of the Victoria Cross

for saving lives in Afghanistan.

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Our top story today -

the Brexit Secretary, David Davis,

has told the BBC it's time for other

European Union countries

to compromise on Brexit.

He's refused to comment on reports

that the Government could scrap it's

plan to write into law the date

when Britain will leave the EU.

Meanwhile, Theresa May

is in Sweden this morning.

She's with other EU leaders.

Let's chat with our Political

Correspondent Leila Nathoo.

What can we expect today?

We I are

expecting the same from David Davis

today, he says that they have made

all the movement so far at our end,

Theresa May saying it is time for

the EU to respond positively, and I

think we are really trying to see a

concerted effort building up now to

get these talks moving on to trade.

They are stalling on the basis of a

lack of resolution of the three key

issues the EU wants to see movement

on, the rights of EU citizens, the

Irish border and the crucial issue

of the divorce Bill. David Davis,

the Brexit secretary, suggesting it

is up to the EU now to show

flexibility.

It is always in a negotiation, you

want the other side, mice, I want

them to compromise! But we have made

quite a lot of compromises, on the

Citizens' rights Rod, we have made

all the running. We have made the

running in terms of things like the

right to vote, where the European

Union doesn't seem to be able to

agree that everybody involved, the 3

million Europeans in Britain and the

million Brits abroad, should be able

to vote, they can't do that. So we

have been offering some quite

creative, arises. We haven't always

got that back.

Theresa May is in

Sweden holding talks with Donald

Tusk, she is trying to persuade him

to gear up to move the talks on as

well, but he is expected to warn her

that there is no guarantee the EU

leaders will agree to that, and we

have been hearing within the last

half an hour also from the Irish

Foreign Minister who is saying that

the EU doesn't believe they are in a

place right now to allow the talks

to move on to that second phase, so

I think in these weeks before that

EU summit in the middle of December,

where all hopes are pinned that the

EU will give the green light to move

those trade talks on, I think in the

intervening weeks, we will see a lot

of effort going on behind-the-scenes

to really try to persuade EU leaders

to change their minds.

Leila, thank

you very much indeed.

Annita McVeigh is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary

of the rest of the day's news.

Thank you. Good morning, everyone.

Zimbabwe's President, Robert Mugabe,

is reportedly refusing

to step down immediately,

despite growing calls

for his resignation.

The 93-year-old was put under house

arrest during a military takeover

on Wednesday amid a power struggle

over who would succeed him.

Yesterday he met the head

of army but the outcome

of the talks is not yet clear.

Police investigating

the disappearance of a teenager

in Dorset are continuing to question

a man arrested yesterday

on suspicion of her murder.

19-year-old Gaia Pope was last seen

in Swanage ten days ago.

The 49-year-old suspect is believed

to be known to Gaia.

Our correspondent James

Ingham is in Swanage.

James, watch the latest that the

police are saying about this

investigation?

Well, Annita, they

say that they are still

investigating every avenue that is

available to them, so that may mean

that guy is missing, but clearly

they have reason to believe that she

has come to harm. Clothes were found

that appeared to match those that

she was last seen wearing, they were

found on a coastal footpath by a

walker yesterday, and searches are

continuing this morning. The police

and also volunteers joining them.

Also around here you can see this is

a small coastal seaside town, inland

rescue teams are helping with those

searches, and so our coastal rescue

teams. Police still have this one

man under arrest in custody,

arrested on suspicion of murder. He

is a third person from the same

family to have been questioned, two

other people have been released but

he is still being questioned. And

the community around here still very

much hopeful that this will end with

good news. The family of guy telling

us yesterday -- the family of Gaia

telling us yesterday that they still

remain hopeful.

James, thank you very much.

More than one million credit card

users, who are struggling

financially, have had their credit

limits raised in the last year

without being asked - according

to the charity, Citizens Advice.

It wants the Chancellor to ban

increases which haven't been

requested in his Budget next week.

Card companies say they've agreed

to abide by a voluntary code

of conduct to protect customers.

The pay packages of senior police

officers have been published

in a central database

for the first time.

Figures for 261 officers up

to the rank of Chief Constable,

reveal wide variations -

Some receive thousands

of pounds in benefits,

a small number claim large sums

in expenses and others are paid

nothing but a salary.

The figures have been published

by the Home Office as part

of an attempt to increase

transparency across forces

in England and Wales.

The actor Sylvester Stallone has

denied sexually assaulting

a 16-year-old girl in a hotel room

in Las Vegas in 1986.

He was responding to reports giving

details of a police account

of the teenager's claims.

No action was taken

against the actor at the time.

Sylvester Stallone's

spokeswoman said it was

a "categorically false story".

Conservationists in

the United States have strongly

criticised a decision

by President Trump to end a ban

on importing body parts

from elephants hunted

in Zimbabwe and Zambia.

A federal government agency said

imports could resume

today for elephants that

are legally hunted.

The US Fish and Wildlife Service

said hunting fees could help

communities put money

into conservation, but experts say

that populations of African

elephants are plummeting.

The electric car maker, Tesla,

has unveiled the prototype

of a new articulated lorry.

The vehicle, known as

a semi-trailer, can travel

for 500 miles on a single charge.

The company has also publicised

what it says will be the fastest

production car ever made.

Our technology reporter

Dave Lee reports.

This is the new Tesla Semi.

ROCK MUSIC.

It will travel 500 miles

on a single charge,

and Elon Musk thinks it will make

electric the new king of the road.

The thing that looks

like it's not moving...

LAUGHTER.

Is a diesel truck.

But he has been under

a lot of pressure

lately.

His company isn't yet making cars

quickly enough to meet demand

and so this new truck

could be another distraction

for the man who also

dabbles in space travel.

Tesla's definitely

taking some serious

issues on the manufacturing side.

issues on the manufacturing side.

Model 3 delivery is measured in

hundreds when they're supposed to be

producing thousands every week.

That is a huge issue.

But the truck wasn't to be the only

new vehicle on show here

tonight.

So the Tesla fans that came

here certainly expected to see a

lorry.

What they weren't expecting to see

was a new Roadster, and that's

certainly got this energetic

crowd extremely excited.

So it turns out there was some

cargo in the truck...

For fans, an exciting

One More Thing, but for Tesla's

investors, it's just

one more thing.

Now here's a real "tail"

of bravery for you -

a military dog that helped

save the lives of troops

in Afghanistan is being awarded

the animal equivalent

of the Victoria Cross.

Mali will receive the Dickin Medal,

after being seriously injured

during an operation to clear

insurgents from a building

in Kabul in 2012.

Despite his injuries he carried

on performing his duties

but eventually had to be

carried to safety.

And Tina will be meeting Mali

and his handler, before 9.30.

In one of the celebrity

weddings of the decade,

the tennis star Serena Williams has

married Alexis Ohanian,

the co-founder of the Reddit website

in New Orleans.

An entire block of the American city

was closed off for the 200

guests who included the singer

Beyonce, the reality tv star

Kim Kardashian, and the editor

in chief of Vogue magazine,

Anna Wintour.

The reception reportedly had

a Beauty and the Beast theme.

That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 9.30.

Annita, thank you very much.

Let's get some sport

with Hugh Woozencroft.

Good morning.

It's a vitally important match

and series for England's women

in terms of the outcome

of their Ashes Series.

Three T20 matches to play

and defeat isn't an option.

The first is today.

We can speak to our

sports correspondent

Andy Swiss, who's in Sydney.

Things haven't gone well

so far for England.

No, things starting to look perhaps

slightly better. England now 86-5

after 14 overs. They got off to a

terrible, terrible start, they lost

their first wicket to just the

second ball of the match, captain

Heather Knight given out caught

behind. That was followed by a huge

amount of confusion and even farce,

questions over whether she was

actually out because the

wicketkeeper had knocked the bails

off with her gloves, also questions

about whether the catch had been

taken in front of the stumps, so

Heather Knight at one stage was

given a reprieve, but after lengthy

consultation, eventually the umpires

gave her out and she had to go, but

it was a hugely confusing scene at

the start of the match, and after

that, things got even worse for

England. They lost Sarah Taylor lbw

for two, Katherine Brunt for a duck.

At that stage, England were 16-4 and

in terrible, terrible trouble. They

have recovered a little bit since

then, but in the last few minutes,

narrative has gone to 26, Sir

England currently 86-5 after 14

overs.

OK, we will move swiftly to

the men's.

Australia have been pretty

confident, naming their squad

for the men's Ashes

earlier than expected.

Were there any surprises?

Yes, there were. Particularly the

inclusion of their wicketkeeper,

32-year-old Tim Paine, who hasn't

played a Test match for seven years.

Even he admitted that he thought his

test career was over, and he said

that even he was surprised by what

had happened.

It is exciting. For an Australian,

it is the biggest news in cricket,

and to be here in Australia is even

better. I feel like I am about to

make it into Test cricket again

after seven years, so it is exciting

and I am absolutely pumped.

And he

wasn't the only surprise in the

Australian squad. 34-year-old Shaun

Marsh will batter another six, and

there was also an inclusion of 24

you rolled Cameron Bancroft who will

open the batting and win his first

cap at the Gabba next week, so there

were a few eyebrows raised about

England's selection for this tour,

and eyebrows raised about

Australia's squad as well.

Andy

Swiss, thank you for joining us.

And on day three of four in their

final warm-up match, England

were bowled out for 515 earlier,

Dawid Malan getting

himself a century.

In reply, England have

taken three wickets,

with two from Moeen Ali.

England lead by 144 runs ahead

of tomorrow's final day.

I will be back with sport a little

later, including a new sporting

career for Sir Bradley

We will look forward to it, thank

you, Hugh

We will look forward to it, thank

you, Hugh.

Robert Mugabe, the man who has ruled

Zimbabwe with an iron fist

for nearly four decades,

is spending a third day under house

arrest after the army seized control

of the country.

The world's oldest head of state

stood relaxed and smiling yesterday

alongside the generals who led

the military operation

against his government

as negotiations over

his future continued.

Some reports say the 93-year-old

is refusing to step down

but there are also rumours that

progress is being made

towards a dignified departure.

Meanwhile, military leaders say

they will advise the nation

on the outcome of the talks

as soon as possible.

This was Zimbabwean TV

earlier this morning.

The Zimbabwe defence forces say

significant progress has been made

in their operation adding that they

have accounted for some of the

criminals around Robert Mugabe in

order to bring them to justice as

they have committed crimes and cause

social and economic suffering in the

country, while others are still at

large. In a statement, the ZDF say

that they are still discussing with

Robert Mugabe on the way forward.

Well, the fact remains that Zimbabwe

remains in the most extraordinary

circumstances with rumours swirling

about the future of Mr Mugabe

and who will take over from him.

Many who saw him as a brutal

dictator - he was accused

of countless abuses of power

during his 37 years in office -

will be glad to see him go.

And in the last few minutes, Reuters

reporting that he has made his first

public appearance since the military

takeover at a university graduation

ceremony. We will bring you those

images as soon as we can get them.

Well, let's discuss this further.

Joining us now, Daizy Fabian,

who fled Zimbabwe 14 years

ago because of a threat

to her and her families safety.

She left behind her six-year-old

daughter, who is now aged 21.

Her mother died yesterday,

but Daizy couldn't go

home to say goodbye,

or bury her.

Wilf Mbanga is the editor

of The Zimbabwean.

He was very close to Mugabe

at the start of both their careers.

He travelled around the world

with Mugabe, but when he later

became critical of the President,

he was declared an "enemy

of the police".

He is under an arrest warrant

in Zimbabwe, so can't go back.

Lloyd Kuveya is the

Southern Africa Researcher

at Amnesty International.

And Patience Chakanga Phiri,

a resident in Bulawayo, Zimbabwe.

Welcome to the programme.

Thank you for joining us and I'm

sorry to hear about your mother. You

fled Zimbabwe after being targeted

for being part of an opposition

trade union party. What happened?

It

was the MDC that was formed from a

trade union... They formed a party

whereby the party was being formed,

we were not allowed, because there

was no democracy in Zimbabwe, we

were not allowed to be seen with MDC

cards or MDC T-shirts even to go

outside in a proper rally. There was

no democracy and until now there is

no democracy. Besides what is

happening now there is no change, we

are being ruled by the military and

now we are being ruled by the

military. The only time Zimbabwe

will be free is when we have a free

and fair election and outsiders,

international monitors come in to

Zimbabwe and that is when Zimbabwe

will be free. Now it is not free. It

is like two children in the house

mighting for the ball -- fighting

for the ball. We are ruled under

Zanu. These people are together. All

these things came out because the

vice president was told to leave the

office.

You don't think that a

change in leadership after four

decades will make a difference?

The

change will make a difference after

this when we have international

monitors coming in our country and

we have a free and fair elections to

choose who we want. Right now will

the general is take over, there is

no change right now. These people is

ZANU and the fight is an inhouse

Zanu fight.

Thank you for now. Wilf,

do you agree?

She is making some

valid points. But the fact is that

will have to be a change. Things

will change. I understand...

How do

you think they will change?

There is

a parallel process going on as we

speak. While they're talking to

Robert Mugabe, there seems to be a

plan to set up a transitional

authority, that will include the

opposition. That is happening at the

same time.

You were good friends

with Robert Mugabe when he first

came into power, can you give us a

sense of what he was like.

Well,

when I fist met him in 74 when he

came out of prison, and I

interviewed him for a story that I

was doing for the Star and we got to

know each other well and he used to

come to my house and have dinner. We

used to sing along to Jim Reeves and

Pat Boone. We were close and I

believed he was the best person to

run my country at the time. The

first ten years, he did very well,

they were talking about housing for

all by the year 2000, health for all

by the year 2000. They built

schools. One of the things he

succeeded in doing was educating

Zimbabweans. They are the most

educated and unfortunately in the

last ten years that has now taken a

dive. Education is now suffering,

there are no drugs in hospitals,

there is massive unemployment. 90%

of population is unemployed. We

don't even have our national

currency. Robert Mugabe has wrecked

the country in the last 20 years.

Like you say, I want to bring in

Lloyd, the lilt literacy level is

97%. That is a good thing isn't it?

Yes, the literacy level is good.

There have been many people have

gone to school. Schools were built

and so on. But there is a

deterioration in the quality of

education and there is a, you know,

access to education has not been

that good in the past few years.

Because of economic crisis and the

mis-governance, we are seeing a

reversal of progress that had been

made in the first ten or so years.

That is unfortunate on the part of

Zimbabwe.

How do people feel about

Grace Mugabe? Do we know where she

is.

We don't know where she is. But

generally speaking people do not

like Grace Mugabe. He was

interfering with the country, but

she was not an appointed state

official. She was within the

structures of Zanu PF party, but she

failed to respect people in

authority including the vice

president. People think she has

contributed to the problems we have

seen in the ruling party today.

Which has peeled over into the

crisis we are now seeing. I don't

think that Robert Mugabe made his

own decisions independently, he

would have kicked out his

vice-president and then precipitated

this political crisis that we are

seeing.

Up until now, we had heard

about Grace in the context of her

love of shopping, what is life like

there every day and how are people

responding to what has happened?

I

am in the second city of Zimbabwe

and we are going on as normal.

Because we have been told to go on

as normal. There has been nothing

formally said about what happens

next. So people are getting up and

going to work and they're doing what

they have to do. I'm at work now.

And the work office, the newsroom is

busy. I think it is as normal as

normal can be. And it is very quiet.

I would say peaceful. Which for me

also shows the kind of people that

Zimbabweans are. We are peaceful and

loving and kind people. So we are

all hoping and praying that nothing

horrible happens to a our beautiful

country and we stay here.

It is

interesting you say that people are

going as if things were normal, but

Robert Mugabe has been in power for

nearly 40 years and he is under

house arrest is what we are hearing,

it is day 3, that is extraordinary

for Zimbabwe. So isn't that being

reported on TV, are you not hearing

that on the radio in the papers?

It

is every where. I think the biggest

thing that maybe being here compared

to being across is the number of is

messages and so much speculation is

going around, especially with the

use of social media. People are

sending out a lot of stuff. Everyone

has information, which is not always

entirely true. Because as it stands

there has been nothing official

since the last official statement we

got on... From the soldiers. So

there has been nothing else.

Everything we have been hearing is

speculation and I saw the pictures

yesterday and still nothing formal

came out. People are realising that

we let it go, here we, I haven't

been stopped searched. I haven't

seen soldiers. I haven't seen police

people. I haven't seen much change

here. So I don't know. I think

people are just trying to, keeping

their heads down and hoping this

passes and there is no bloodshed and

no turmoil.

Thank you.

A British Military Working Dog

who helped save the lives of troops

in Afghanistan is to be awarded

the prestigious PDSA Dickin Medal -

the animal equivalent

of the Victoria Cross.

Mali, a Belgian Malinois,

will receive the honour

for his heroic actions

during an operation

in Afghanistan in 2012.

We actually had to climb up

a concrete stairwell to get up

onto the next floor,

because that's where these guys

were dropping grenades down

through holes in our

ceiling, their floor.

And he went up and, sure enough,

to show our little methods

were working, he indicated to me

that there was enemy up there.

And that enabled us to work out

a way of getting up onto the next

floor without using the stairs.

By the time the end of the operation

came and we'd broken out

of the roof, we'd already realised

that we'd cleared the building.

And I looked down and it was only

then that reality bit and I took

stock of what had actually happened

to my dog over the course

of the last, sort of, eight hours.

He had quite a large

laceration under his...

Just under his sternum,

on the inside of his legs as well.

Again, his ear had a bit

of a hole blown in it.

All of us had been peppered

with fragments from multiple

grenades that had gone off.

From operations that we'd been

on previously, he had shown his...

Really shown his mettle

and built a reputation

among all the guys, so,

as I say, by the time we launched

onto this operation we really felt

that we had a guardian angel amongst

us, nothing was going

to happen to us.

Well, earlier on I had the pleasure

of meeting Mali and his current

handler corporal Daniel Hatley -

who trained him as a puppy.

An amazing dog to train.

Picks stuff up really

quickly, loves to...

Wants to work, wants to learn.

His general character,

he's just a very funny dog,

if that makes sense.

He can always make you smile.

Right.

And what's that

training process like?

It's quite intensive.

You have to sort of constantly

be teaching a dog.

Dogs learn very much

through repetition, so we have to do

things a lot of time for them

to sort of pick it up by themselves.

It's a very slow process with good

progression but, again,

very, very long process.

We can see him in action now.

Yeah.

How does he compared to other dogs

who were serving in the military?

He's just like any other dog that's

serving in the military,

but just what he did on that day

makes him stand out.

He's having a lovely time, there.

Very comfortable on our rug!

What exactly happened on that day?

Insurgency seized a multi-storey

building in Kabul, and an assault

force was sent forward to obviously

go and retrieve that building

off coalition forces.

And Mali was the dog

that was used on that operation,

and he was sent into the building

ahead of the forces to look for IEDs

and any potential enemy combatants.

And he was hurt badly.

He was.

He received blast injuries

from two grenades.

He kept going.

Obviously afterwards he did receive

some injuries that he had to be

treated for at the end

of the operation.

And how long did it take

for Mali to recover?

Hello!

He was initially treated

in Afghanistan and was flown back

to the UK a few weeks after that.

From a general point

of view he was pretty fit

and healthy when he got back,

but it was more just a healing

process and stopping infection

and getting him back to normal.

It's quite rare for animals

to win this award.

I think Mali is the only living

animal to have won it

in seven or eight years,

is that right?

I believe so, yeah.

So how many dogs are used in combat?

Hundreds.

If you go back to Afghanistan

in the sort of height

of the conflict, there could have

been anything sort of 130 plus dogs

in Afghanistan at the time.

They are a massive, massive

need for the forces.

The guys want them

on the ground, you know?

Everyone wants a dog on the ground.

Training's one thing, but what's it

like when they are actually

in a live situation?

That training has to kick in.

A lot of that must be dependent

on the relationship that the dog,

Mali, has with its handler?

Absolutely.

The bond is so imperative,

and the bond he had with his handler

was phenomenal, and that's why,

you know, they worked together

so well as a team and that's why,

you know, he did what he did

on the day and he kept

going, you know?

No training can prepare

a dog for what he went

through on that day,

so for him to just keep

going and get on with it and keep

working through everything that

happened was phenomenal.

And he actually saved

lives on that day?

Absolutely, yeah.

Absolutely saved lives.

Coming up:

A survey suggest more than a quarter

of scams happen at Christmas -

with some victims losing

hundreds of pounds.

Time for the latest

news - here's Annita.

Thank you.

Good morning, everyone.

David Davis has

there is growing pressure for a

breakthrough before the end of the

year. In the past half-hour,

President Mugabe has made his first

public appearance since the military

takeover in Zimbabwe on Wednesday.

The 93-year-old seen here meeting

the head of the Army yesterday is

attending a university graduation

ceremony in the capital. He has

reportedly refused to step down

immediately, despite growing calls

for his resignation.

Police investigating

the disappearance of a teenager

in Dorset are continuing to question

a man arrested yesterday

on suspicion of her murder.

19-year-old Gaia Pope was last seen

in Swanage ten days ago.

The 49-year-old suspect is believed

to be known to Gaia.

The pay packages of senior police

officers have been published

in a central database

for the first time.

Figures for 261 officers up

to the rank of Chief Constable,

reveal wide variations -

some receive thousands

of pounds in benefits,

a small number claim large sums

in expenses and others are paid

nothing but a salary.

The figures have been published

by the Home Office as part

of an attempt to increase

transparency across forces

in England and Wales.

The actor Sylvester Stallone has

denied sexually assaulting

a 16-year-old girl in a hotel room

in Las Vegas in 1986.

He was responding to reports giving

details of a police account

of the teenager's claims.

No action was taken

against the actor at the time.

Sylvester Stallone's

spokeswoman said it was

a "categorically false story".

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

Here's some sport now with Hugh.

England have battled their way to a

respectable if uninspiring score

against Australia. A terrible start

less than 16-4 at one stage, Danny

Wyatt's 50 aided the recovery before

she was run out. England currently

130-8, just a couple of balls from

the end of their innings. Just six

days until the men's Ashes starts,

Moeen Ali has shown some form with

the ball. He has taken two wickets

as England started their final warm

up match against the Australian 11.

BBC

Sport understands former

England Women's head coach

Lee Kendall admitted to using a fake

Caribbean accent towards Eni Aluko,

as part of an FA investigation.

Kendall was cleared of "unacceptable

behaviour" by the FA before stepping

down from his role yesterday.

And Sir Bradley Wiggins

will launch his competitive

rowing career next month

when he takes on the GB Rowing Team

at the British Rowing

Indoor Championships.

The 2012 Tour de France winner says

he may be a bit delusional. We'll

see if he could do the job on the

water as well. I will be back with a

little more sport after ten o'clock.

See you then.

It's emerged that hundreds

of domestic violence perpetrators

are using animal cruelty as a weapon

against their victims,

according to figures seen

by 5 Live Investigates.

More than 700 calls made

to the National Domestic Violence

helpline, run by the charities

Women's Aid and Refuge,

and Women's Aid in Wales last year

involved animal cruelty.

Other women report being unable

to leave violent situations

because they're worried

about their pets.

Before we discuss this,

I should warn you that you might

find the subject matter unsetting.

We can speak to Adrian Goldberg

from 5Live Investigates.

Adrian, good morning. What the scale

of this?

As you say, these figures

are from the National domestic

violence helpline, they are the

closest that we have got, no figures

are compiled by any official body

around this, so this is just a

snapshot, and they show that of

calls to the helpline last year,

something like 6500 calls relating

to domestic abuse, when victims were

asked the question, has the

perpetrator being involved in

harming your pet or animal cruelty,

631 in England said that the

perpetrator had been. If you throw

in the figures from Wales, that's

closer to 700 perpetrators of

domestic abuse who have also been

involved in animal cruelty. In

England alone, those figures amount

to around one in ten of the

perpetrators of domestic abuse also

having a history of violence towards

pets. But I should stress, the

campaigners and charities involved

in this believe that the true figure

is likely to be much higher, because

victims often won't blow the whistle

on the abuse to their pets because

they fear the pet may be taken away

from them.

And what is the evidence

linking animal cruelty to domestic

violence?

It is very difficult to

prove a causal link, but there is a

growing body of research,

particularly from the United States,

suggesting that there is a link

between those willing to perpetrate

animal abuse and domestic abuse.

Speaking and anecdotally this week

to an officer involved in domestic

violence, he had looked at his ten

most high-risk cases of domestic

abuse, cases where the victim was in

severe danger of losing their life

or of being seriously injured. Of

those top ten, the top ten most at

risk cases, in six of those cases,

the perpetrator also had a history

of animal cruelty. I should say as

well it isn't just about violence

towards animals. It can also be

about what is called coercive

control, where a perpetrator may use

the threat of violence towards a

family pet in order to get what they

want and get compliance from their

victim.

How can we improve the

identification of this?

There is a

charity called Links, they go around

teaching undergraduate, trainee

vets, to spot the possible incidents

of nonaccidental injury to animals,

but also of the possible links

between animal cruelty and domestic

abuse, but at the moment, training

is not mandatory for vets in this

area, sporting a potential link

between animal cruelty and domestic

abuse. There are campaigners who

think that that should be a

compulsory part of that

undergraduate training. At the

moment, the British veterinary

Association is resisting that, but

campaigners say that this is

essential to protect both animals

and victims of domestic abuse.

Adriaan, thank you very much.

We can speak now to Gemma Willis,

whose former partner was jailed

for 13 and a half years

for his violence and abuse.

With her is Dusty,

who she was scared he would

kill if she left him.

In the end, she sought help

from a pet fostering programme

which discreetly housed him

while she made her escape.

She has waived her right

to anonymity to highlight this form

of extreme psychological

and emotional abuse.

And we also welcome Clare Kivlehan,

who started the domestic violence

dog fostering project at the Dogs

Trust.

Gemma, how did your partner use

violence against dusty to get at

you?

It was a different number of

things, different occasions

depending on what he would do. It

was pure anger when it came to

Richard, for the last 12 months, he

was just full of anger. So it wasn't

just me that got it anyway, they

didn't need to be a reason or

excuse, and there was no blackmail

or bribery involved, he was just

that I rate, he'd hurt me and then

go out into the garden and take it

out on the dogs. He even pulled a

pigeon's head off and through the

body at me.

So you had two dogs?

What happened to the other one?

I

had to go into refuge, and I was

panicking I would lose both the

dogs, so a friend of mine offered to

take one, she has still got her and

I can still see her, but I had to

keep Dusty. And when you say that he

would take it out on Dusty, what

would he do?

He pinned him in the

corner in the shed, beaten him, hit

him with shovels, he picked Lola up

and literally threw her across the

garden. He would punch him. He just

wasn't nice. Choke him, threw a

piece of wood at him and marked as

I.

It must have been so difficult

for you, because you don't want to

leave him, but at the same time, he

is with you and you suffered a lot

of abuse at the hands of your

partner who has been jailed for what

he did to you. What were your

options at the time when this was

happening? Did you even know about

the option of a dog fostering

programme?

I didn't have a clue. The

day I left, I told him I was going

to walk the dogs, and I never went

back. I took my son to school, got

to my mums, the police were there,

they said I needed to go into

refuge, I had already lost

everything, because I was quite

nervous, I had myself, my dogs, my

son, and that is all I had left.

Irene Holmes Lola in 24 hours, and I

rang the refuge and said, I have a

dog, I need to bring him with me.

Wherever I go, he is coming with me,

and the refuge said, you can't come

with you.

So you could bring him,

but you couldn't take into the

refuge?

They gave me an number and

said, they might not be able to help

you, but there might be some

direction they could point you in.

So I made the phone call and I dealt

with a lady called Sarah the whole

way through even while he was in

foster care, and she got me a

straight placement for him. He was

taken on February the 1st and looked

after until I got him back.

It has

been a journey of recovery for you

both. Dusty is a beautiful dog. He

has heard that! But how has Dusty

recovered? That must be so

traumatic.

It is the side-effect. He

doesn't trust men, and he is really

cautious, really protective. He

sticks to my side, I can't move

without him, and he really doesn't

like men. He just gets too

protective, and he gets nervous.

Your OK if you come up to him and

say hello and he is introduced, but

unexpectedly, I don't know what he

could do.

Claire, what impact has

the pet fostering project had?

Huge

impact on people like Gemma and

their families. We set it up 13

years ago for this reason, that we

were finding that more and more

people were coming to us in

situations where their pets were

being abused or threatened, and

people were afraid to leave. They

didn't know what happened to their

pet if they left behind. We know

that refuges are not in a position

because of the setup to be able to

bring pets in, so we knew that we

had to do something in the

situations to get people away from

the violence, but also from their

pets.

What is your response to

Gemma's story?

We know that she has

been through a huge ordeal, and it

was so great that we were able to

help Dusty, and we work with the

refuges direct, so that when people

are third, they can let us know that

they need our help and they can go

into foster.

And how many people

know that this even exists?

Not

many. Since I came out with my

anonymity, even with a local

newspapers, it is overwhelming the

response I get, with regards to

women who were not aware of this. I

had done some research and seen that

it had been running, but it was

literally in London, it hasn't been

up in North Yorkshire for very long.

And now they are launching up there.

It is hard to explain, but without

sounding silly, Dusty was like my

baby, and I wasn't leaving the house

without him, so I know how other

women feel when you think of the

abuse you are getting, whether it be

physical, emotional, mental,

whatever, I know what it is like

that you don't want to leave your

pets.

Obituary lies how important it

is, if that means you are then

staying, and how many people end up

staying in abusive situations

because they don't want to be

separated from their pet.

And it is

the fear of them being hurt.

Over

52% of the clients we work with

thought that their pets had been

abused or threatened with abuse, so

you can see the scale of it. We know

it is underreported by clients,

because they feel the guilt

personally, they feel the attachment

to their pet and the guilt that it

might be something they did all

their fault that their pet has been

abused, but we know that people stay

in those situations unless they know

there is somewhere for their pets to

go.

What about people who may be

watching, and you think you need to

get yourself out of that situation,

especially if you have children, and

shouldn't be prioritising your pet

in that?

You don't, it is not

prioritising. To be fair, me

personally, Dusty holds the same

level of commitment, passion,

loyalty and mothering as Logan does.

And Logan is your boy?

He is. He is

seven. So they are both equal. So to

me, it was protecting him as well.

It just all came into one. You don't

think of any sort, there is nothing

is running around you, it is, this

is what I have to do, this is who I

need to protect, and if I walk out

of the door, they have to come with

me.

And your partner wasn't violent

towards Logan. No.

No.

And is this

scheme going to be running out

across the UK?

Yes, it has been

running in 13 regions, we're

extending to Scotland, the

north-east, the Northwest and all of

the Home Counties. We know more and

more people are in this situation

and they need to know about the

project and they need to be able to

get our help.

Thank you all very

much indeed.

You can hear more on this story

on Sunday at 11am on Radio 5Live

with 5Live Investigates.

And if you need help

with any of the issues

we've just talked about,

you can find charities which offer

support at the BBC Action Line -

bbc.co.uk/actionline.

Coming up:

Theresa May says she hopes EU

leaders will respond positively to

her Brexit proposals.

Christmas shoppers are being warned

to watch out for online scams,

as research suggests fraudsters

are particularly likely to strike

during the festive season.

A survey of people who have been

scammed found that in more

than a quarter of cases,

it happened at Christmas with some

victims losing hundreds of pounds.

Let's speak now to Ross Martin

who is Head of Cyber Digital Eagles

at Barclays, Andrew McClelland

who is head of insight at IMRG,

which is the UK's industry

association for online retail.

And to Rishi Chowdhury,

was has been targeted

by fraudsters online.

Let's start with you, what happened?

So I was actually on holiday over

new year and I found pay pay pal

account had been accused and four

payments had been taken out. So I

was given a notification a few days

after and that is the first I found

out about it.

How much are we

talking?

2,000 altogether. Four

payments of 500. Pay pal thought

that was fishy and let me know.

What

did you do?

At the time, I was

abroad and I had to call them and

put in a support request. It wasn't

the quickest of kind of getting that

result. But thankfully I got my

money back in the end.

How long did

it take?

Probably took a couple of

weeks in total. By the time I got

through to someone and got a

response and they started working on

it.

Was there a question mark over

whether you would get the money

back?

It was a bit different to the

bank, because the bank are normally

quite quick and you can get your

money back quickly. At the point, I

was like not sure. But thankfully I

did get it back.

How much of an

impact did it have on you losing

2,000 when you have to wait to get

it back?

Yes thankfully it wasn't my

day-to-day spending money there. But

it still had an impact in terms of

am I going to get it back.

Has it

changed how you shop online and how

you behave?

It has made me more, I

work in tech and I think I'm fairly

good with keeping myself safe

online. But yeah, certain things

like setting up identification and

things like that you put off,

because of ease or you know it is

quicker without it.

It is a good

example of the fact it can happen to

anyone. People seem to have the idea

it is stupid people who are

targeted, why would you click

through to an e-mail or people have

done something. More than a quarter

of the scams are happening at

Christmas, how you protecting your

customers.

Barclays a educating and

creating awareness. Our digital

eagle programme means we can deliver

digital safety sessions. There are

simple things we can do to protect

ourselves and education is the key.

What the practical steps to protect

people who bank with you?

There are

some simple things we can do. If we

look at shopping at Christmas, think

about verify being web-sites that we

are using. Not divulging any pass

words or official information. This

is the easiest way for people to

exploit us.

Are customers always

protected who bank with you, if I

have been targeted online and

somebody's taken money, how long

would I have to wait to get it back?

We would like to refund customers in

as little as 24 hours, almost

immediately if they have been the

innocent victim. That is something

we will promote.

If, are there any

circumstances where you wouldn't

refund a customer?

What we have to

be aware of is we have all have a

part to play as the customer, if you

are the victim of a scam but you

have instigated transaction you

would be liable. If we instigate a

transaction you could be at fault.

If I get an e-mail from somebody

saying they're the taxman or the

bank, if I then click through and

that results in money being taken

from my account, are you saying I

wouldn't necessarily get a refund.

If you have divulged personal

details to enable the fraudster to

commit the fraud there could be an

issue. But we will look at each case

individually.

What about the fact

that some of criminals are using

bank accounts with mainstream banks

like yourselves, aren't you doing

more to crackdown on them?

There is

a huge amount of work we are doing

to investigate how accounts are used

and to almost anticipate when there

is fraud taking place and look to

shut those accounts quickly.

Security is always high priority for

Barclays. We are looking at new ways

to protect the bank and our

customers.

Andrew, why do you think

more than a quarter of scams happen

at Christmas?

One of the challenges

that we as customers and user when

we get into the mode of shopping or

doing any transaction we focus on

the task in hand and become

blivengerred to some -- blinkered to

some of the warning signs that are

obvious. So as has been said, there

is a lot of advice about things s to

look out for. Sometimes it is just

take a moment. If an offer is too

good to be true there is a chance it

is. We are approaching one of

biggest on online Christmases. We

tend to see an increase in people

not being as careful perhaps as they

could be, because we are all getting

caught up in the idea of getting the

task done, moving through the

transaction and we often miss some

of the warning signs.

How are scams

becoming more sophisticated?

A lot

of it, because a lot of it is

technically is based they're able to

re-create brands and messages to the

smallest detail and as your previous

speaker said, even someone with a

tech background can get fooled by

some of this stuff. It is, they're

very good at re-creating the look of

a brand, whether that is the tax

authorities, the bank or a retail

business, they can mimic a lot of

that activity and make it difficult

to detect, but it comes back down to

if that deal looks a bit too good to

be true, they're trying attract you

for a reason. Just slow things down

and take a bit of care.

None of

these people seem to be caught, are

the police doing enough to track

these people down?

I think that is a

difficult question to answer. The

police have a finite amount of

resources. The retail...

This is a

growing problem and surely it is a

priority?

It is a priority. And as I

was saying the banks and retailers

are investing in technology, but the

fraudsters are often innovating

quicker than. There is jurisdiction

issues. A lot of this will take

place outside the country and we are

relying the police having the local

connections to follow that through.

But it can be a difficult it is task

to join the dots together.

People

will mimic brands and banks, where

are the places they're targeting

people online?

Often it will be

offers through e-mail. Sometimes

through social media. Classified

adverts on listing web-sites. There

is a lot of ways they can get the

message in front of consumer. We

would suggest one way of avoiding

this, you see an offer coming

through that looks too good to be

true, step away from the e-mail and

go directly to the brand's web-site

and see if that offer is on the

brand's web-site and go somewhere

where you would expect to see the

information.

Is anything practically

that you can check, what obvious

things you canlike at to identify --

can look at to identify it?

The

first and most obvious though

sometimes the hardest to to

detective is does detect is does the

web-site look like the real one.

Looking for things you would expect

to see. Does the web-site you see on

the shop hg bag the same as the

web-site address. It is making sure

does the text look right. Is the

grammar right. You don't have to be

an English expert, but if the way

products and services are being

described doesn't seem quite right,

brands spend a lot of time making

sure the English and punctuation is

right, so just double check on

whether it makes sense and does it

fit with your expectations of that

brand.

Thank you very much. Cars

driven by female characters who

starred along 007 have gone on

display in an exhibition in London.

Let's take a look.

Now the weather.

Now the weather. I could just do

with a heated windscreen! It was

another frosty start this morning.

Particularly for England and Wales,

where we saw the low est of the

temperatures, down to minus four in

some places. We have some sunshine,

but a few have avoided the frost in

the west, because of the breeze.

Some cloud in north-west England and

Wales. But showers for the north and

west of Scotland and they will

continue through the day and some

will be heavy with hail and snow

over the high ground. Most of the UK

stays dry. The lightest of the winds

further south. After 15 degrees

yesterday, 10 is the most we will

imagine. It will stay on the cold

side. Cold for the evening commute

home and further showers in Scotland

that will become more widespread and

into Northern Ireland and northern

England. And at midnight, the Leonid

meteor shower peaks tonight. The

best advice is view early on,

because cloud amounts will increase.

Showers in Scotland and northern

England. But there will be some gaps

between the showers and the best of

the gaps in eastern Scotland and the

south of England. It is here where

we will see temperatures drop the

furthest. A frost is expected. But

not as widespread or as cold as it

was last night. But it makes for a

chilly start to the weekend and

tomorrow expect more cloud, England

and Wales in particular. The cloud

will come and go in the Midlands and

Wales and southern England. There

will be drier weather. Showers in

the north and east clear. But it

remains damp throughout south Wales

and south-west England. Here mild

air trying to push in. But for most

the cold air holds on and it will be

that battle between mild and cold

air for the rest of weekend. The

cold air comes back on Saturday

night. And the frost back on Sunday.

But mild air will try to work its

way. Linked to this front. Painfully

slow progress, but that does make

for drier day for many. Clouding

over in the west. In the east we

will see the brightest of the

weather on Sunday. That is how it is

looking.

Hello, it's Friday, it's 10

o'clock, I'm Tina Daheley,

welcome to the programme.

Theresa May says she hopes EU

leaders will respond 'positively'

to her Brexit proposals

as she arrives at a summit

in Sweden.

David Davis wants the EU to do more.

We have been offering some quite

creative compromises -

we haven't always got that back.

We will be live in Gothenberg in

just a moment.

The parents facing eviction

because of the "noise"

from their crying baby.

We'll be speaking to the Father. And

the top dog awarded Britain's

highest military medal for bravery.

It was phenomenal, they worked

together so well as a team, and he

did what he did so well on the day,

and he kept going, no training can

prepare a dog for what he went

through on that day.

Good morning.

Here's Annita McVeigh

in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news.

Good morning. In the past hour,

President Mugabe has made his first

appearance since the military

takeover of Zimbabwe on Wednesday.

The 93-year-old, seen here meeting

the head of the army yesterday,

is attending a university graduation

ceremony in the capital Harare.

He's reportedly refusing

to step down immediately,

despite growing calls

for his resignation.

The President of the European

Council is expected to tell

Theresa May not to assume

that post-Brexit trade

talks will start as

she hopes next month.

Theresa May will meet the President

of the European Council

in Sweden today, where

he's expected to warn

that she might not achieve her aim

of starting post-Brexit trade

talks next month.

It's thought Donald Tusk

will again demand more clarity

from the Prime Minister on the UK's

plans to settle the first

phase of negotiations.

We want to move forward together,

talking about the new partnership on

trade. I look forward to the

European Union is responding

positively on that so that we can

move forward together and ensure

that we get the best possible

arrangements for the future so that

we can get the best arrangement for

the UK and the remaining EU 27.

Police investigating

the disappearance of a teenager

in Dorset are continuing to question

a man arrested yesterday

on suspicion of her murder.

19-year-old Gaia Pope was last seen

in Swanage 10 days ago.

The 49-year-old suspect is believed

to be known to Gaia.

The pay packages of senior police

officers have been published

in a central database

for the first time.

Figures for 261 officers up

to the rank of Chief Constable,

reveal wide variations -

some receive thousands

of pounds in benefits,

a small number claim large sums

in expenses and others are paid

nothing but a salary.

The figures have been published

by the Home Office as part

of an attempt to increase

transparency across forces

in England and Wales.

The actor Sylvester Stallone has

denied sexually assaulting

a 16-year-old girl in a hotel room

in Las Vegas in 1986.

He was responding to reports giving

details of a police account

of the teenager's claims.

No action was taken

against the actor at the time.

Sylvester Stallone's

spokeswoman said it was

a "categorically false story".

The number of foreign visitors to

the UK rose during the summer.

Official figures show that the

number of foreign visitors coming to

the UK during August rose compared

with the same month last year, but

the number of Britons travelling

abroad fail. Analysts say it is the

latest sign of how the fall in the

value of the pound is helping the

UK's tourism industry.

A military dog that helped

save the lives of troops

in Afghanistan is being awarded

the animal equivalent

of the Victoria Cross.

Mali will receive the Dickin Medal,

after being seriously injured

during an operation to clear

insurgents from a building

in Kabul in 2012.

Despite his injuries he carried

on performing his duties,

but eventually had to be

carried to safety.

And that's a summary of the latest

BBC News - more at 10.30.

I'm very jealous you're getting to

meet lots of lovely dogs in the

studio today!

I know, it has been an absolute

treat. Some of your messages coming

in about Mali, a heroic dog who

saved lives in Afghanistan, the bond

we have with military dogs is

special. Another tweet saying, why

would you want to hurt the dog? We

had Dusty on too, Kaler said, what a

brave lady, it takes a lot of

courage to come forward and tell

your story, so glad it has all

worked out well for her.

Do get in touch with us

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Time to get some sport now with

Hugh. All the focus on the women's

Ashes this morning. In blood have --

England have been set a target, they

had a terrible start, losing captain

had a night on just the second ball

of the innings, and they were

reduced to 16-4 and in real trouble

before a half-century from Wyatt

helped to steady things. But then

she was cheaply run out without

adding another run. Fran Wilson got

23, and a multitude of dropped

catches which Australia could yet

come to regret. In reply, playing

very well, 30 without loss after

four overs. And Australia's when

seen -- men seem confident of

victory, they have opted to release

their squad details early.

Wicketkeeper Tim Paine is back,

seven years since his last test

appearance. He admits he thought his

career was over.

It is exciting, I

think it is the biggest series in

cricket, and to happen to be here in

Australia is brilliant. I made a

test seven years ago, but I feel

like I'm about to make it again, so

it is extremely exciting, and I'm

pumped for it.

England's batsmen are

in control of their final warm up

match ahead of Thursday's Brisbane

test. Moeen Ali struck on day three

to leave England leading the

Australian Cricket 11 by 144 runs

ahead of tomorrow's final day. BBC

Sport understands that the former

England women's goalkeeping coach

Lee Kendall did admit to using a

fake Caribbean accents towards any

Aluko as part of an FA investigation

Kendall was cleared of unacceptable

behaviour by the FA before stepping

down from his role yesterday. His

admission was not included in the FA

statement, who said no further

action was necessary. Sir Bradley

Wiggins is set to make his

competitive rowing debut at next

month's British indoor champion

chips. The 2012 Tour de France

winner will compete in the 2000

metre race at London's Olympic

velodrome on the 9th of December. He

retired from cycling in December

2016, and admits it may be a bit of

a delusional decision. And England

have taken their first wicket in

that vital T20 match, 30-1 now,

Australia, after four of their 20

overs, they are chasing 123 for

victory. Thank you.

EU Council President Donald Tusk

is expected to tell Theresa May

to give up hope of starting

post-Brexit trade talks

before Christmas.

The Prime Minister is meeting

Mr Tusk at a summit

in Gothenburg in Sweden later.

He says the EU needs more clarity

from Mrs May on the current

round of negotiations.

Speaking to the BBC this morning,

the Brexit Secretary David Davis

The Prime Minister said she wanted

to move forward together in

negotiation with EU leaders.

Those

continue, and we look forward to

meeting the European Council, and we

are continuing to look through the

issues. I was clear in Florence that

we will honour our commitments, but

of course we want to move forward

together, talking about the trade

issues in partnership for the

future. I have set out a vision for

that economic partnership, and I

look forward to the European Union

responding positively to that so

that we can move forward together

and ensure that we get the best

possible arrangements for the future

that will be good for people in the

United Kingdom and across the

remaining EU 27. Thank you.

Our correspondent Kevin

Connolly is in Gothenburg.

How do you think it will go down

with her European counterparts?

I'm

sure Theresa May would love to know

the answer to that! Very interesting

the Prime Minister has come all this

way to talk about core subject

matter of this European summit,

which is the future of workers'

rights, that won't take effect until

long after the UK has ceased to be a

member. Theresa May's business here

is Brexit, she has had a series of

bilateral meetings already with the

leaders of Poland, Ireland and

Sweden, we think she has more

planned and she will have that key

meeting with Donald Tusk. You heard

there that this is a time for

everyone to start thinking about

moving forward together. The problem

is that other European leaders just

don't see this as a kind of moment

of mutual opportunity, which is how

Theresa May and David Davis like to

portray it. They see it as a matter

of damage limitation, and I think

most crucially of all, where the UK

is calling on the European

negotiators to show a little

creativity, the real feeling on the

European side is that it was a

Britain that decided to leave the

EU, and therefore even now,

critically at this moment with the

December summit looming, any

movement, the next movement, has to

come from Britain, and realistically

has to be about money.

Kevin

Connelly, thank you very much. So

what does the rest of Europe make of

the current state of talks?

Let's talk now to Italian MEP

and chair of the powerful Committee

on Economic and Monetary Affairs,

Roberto Gualtieri from

the Progressive Alliance

of Socialists and Democrats,

German MEP Hans-Olaf Henkel

from the European Conservatives

and Reformists Group,

and Hungarian MEP Dr

Gyorgy Schopflin from

the European People's Party.

A very good morning to you. Roberto,

what is your response to David

Davis's comments yesterday and

Theresa May's this morning?

We look

forward to start the discussion on

the framework of the future

relationship that has been opened by

the speech of David Davis. I would

have a lot of comments about the

number of points he made, but as

everybody knows, to start the

discussion, we need to have

sufficient progress in the first

phase, and we are not there. So I

really hope, I urge our counterpart

to allow this to happen, so to allow

us to start this discussion by a

arriving to the sufficient progress

in the three areas. We still have

some important but not so minor

issues open on the citizens rights

but for us the first priority, for

us in the parliament, and we are

able of course to secure a deal on

the financial settlement, which has

to implement what Theresa May has

already said, that the UK will

honour all the commitments they can

to its membership, which is a fair

principle, but has to be translated