23/11/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello it's Wednesday November

23rd, it's 9 o'clock,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

welcome to the programme.

Common-sense budget, according

Conservative MPs.

But with a gloomy outlook

for the economy will

the Government's spending plans be

overshadowed by a squeeze

on family incomes?

And just got in on with the job I'm

doing which is to steer the economy

through this period, prepared it for

growth in Britain's post-Brexit

future.

I am worried that the government

seems to have learned no lessons

from what the OBR are saying about

this failure to invest and the

failure to tackle our productivity

crisis.

Has the Chancellor done

enough, we'll talk to a panel of

MPs. Also today.

We'll hear exclusively from a young

man from Middlesborough who

who asked a judge to send him

to prison because he was homeless.

Most of the time I was on the

street, slipping in places like

this. I was used to it. -- sleeping

in places like this.

Will talk to

Bradley Grimes, 23, in the next

hour.

And the Ashes - one of sport's

greatest rivalries -

is under way in Australia.

It's been a topsy turvy opening day

- England grateful for their top

scorer James Vince,

who looked to be on his way

to scoring a century,

before being spectacularly run out.

We will speak to England and

Australian fans just before ten

o'clock.

Good morning, welcome to the

programme, we are live until 11

o'clock as we are easily today. --

as we are each weekday.

Let us know what you think

of the Chancellor's budget yesterday

and how you think it

might affect you.

Plus, Scottish Labour politician

Kezia Dugdale arrives in the jungle,

but should be appearing in

I'm A Celebrity in the first place?

She is a member of the Scottish

parliament, she was the leader

of Labour in Scotland

until she stepped down

earlier this year.

Is it okay for her to take 3 weeks

leave and appear in I'm

a Celeb down under?

She argues she can cut straight

through and talk directly to the TV

audience about politics -

that's if the producers decided

to keep those conversations in.

She's says she's donating some

of her fee to charity,

as well as her wages

for those 3 weeks to charity.

Should she be there at all, is it a

good idea? Let me know. Use the

hashtag Victoria Live. The

Chancellor 's colleagues have

rallied around him as he presented

the budget, some of it overshadowed

by forecasts for gloomier than

expected economic growth from the

Office for Budget Responsibility.

The Chancellor says productivity is

key.

The challenge is to deliver

higher productivity that will lead

to higher economic growth. Is about

the workforce with more skills,

investing capital in our businesses,

building will infrastructure, more

infrastructure, more roads, more

railways and it is about ensuring

that we have business confidence so

that businesses will invest. That

means getting more certainty about

what our future relationship with

the EU will look like, which we hope

we will be able to do soon, it means

getting consumers feeling more

confident about the future so they

spend, all of these things we need

to do over the coming months and

years, and get those forecasts

upgraded again. That's the challenge

ahead of us.

Meanwhile Shadow Chancellor John

McDonnell says the best way

to improve productivity is to make

sure you have a skilled workforce.

Cuts in education is the last thing

you do when you want to raise

people's skills and tackle the

productivity crisis. What I would do

immediately and that's what we put

out in our manifesto programme, is

start that investment off. But bring

together a new investment board with

the Bank of England, the Treasury,

trade union leaders, business

leaders investing in the putative

economy, rather than property

speculation that has gone on and

this government. That would have

quick returns as well because

immediately you are putting people

back to work, immediately then they

are paying taxes, which will enable

us to have a fair tax system which

will pay for our public services. I

am really worried now that the

government doesn't seem to have

learned any lessons from what the

OBR and others are saying about this

failure to invest and therefore

failure to tackle our productivity

crisis.

Our Political Guru Norman Smith is

in Westminster for us this morning.

Has Philip Hammond done enough to

save his job?

We will all have to

rethink our views on him because

week or thought of him as Phillip

the dull, spreadsheet Phil, and

there he was joking about Michael

Gove and we had that cough sweet

stunt with Mrs May, and in terms of

the real pressure he was under he

seemed to go around picking of all

the difficulties that he and the

Tories were facing, putting on a bit

more money here and a bit more money

there so the image is boss has said,

I need £4 billion and he says, here

is £2.8 billion, that will help you

along. We knew there was a looming

revolt of the Universal Credit so

out of his back pocket there's

another £1.5 million to ease some of

the problems. Brexiteers throwing

bread rolls at him, he says nice

things about Brexit and offers them

£2 billion to help smooth passage,

business community, they weren't

happy about changes to business

rates and VAT, sorted. He listens to

them. And everywhere, there have

been a real revolt. He found a way

of just taking the heat out of it

with a bit more cash. And I think,

not just easing the pressure on him,

but also buying the government some

breathing space.

Labour say that

Britain is still facing years of

austerity. Are they right.

They are

right in the sense that what we

learned yesterday is that as a

country we are going to have to get

used to the fact that the pressure

on our living standards, on wages,

on public services, is going to go

on for an awful lot longer. The

reason is that we are just not as

productive as we used to be. There

will be a lot of political finger

pointing about who is to blame for

this. But it seems to me there are

profound changes going on which any

politician will struggle with. So

the OBR say that one of the

difficulties is immigration. Because

there will be a steep fall in the

number of migrants coming into the

UK, especially brighter, younger,

more skills, more intelligent

migrants from the EU that is going

to hit production. At the same time

we're all getting older, we becoming

an ageing population which means we

will cost more in terms of the

health service and benefits. And

those of us working, we are already

working longer, doing two or three

jobs to make up for the squeeze on

living standards. Which makes it

harder to be more productive. So the

long-term picture is a pretty

sobering one. But I kind of think it

would face whoever is in power. We

face an era when we might just have

to tone down our expectations and

the prospects for our living

standards.

Thank you, Norman. At

11:30am on the BBC News channel we

will put your budget questions to a

panel of experts.

You can send your questions

in now using the hashtag

BBCAskThis on Twitter -

or you can text them in to 61124.

Or you can email in your video

questions to yourpics

at bbc dot co dot uk.

That will be 4/2 past 11. Whatever

questions you have on the budget

they will have the answer for you.

Let's bring you the rest of the

morning 's news.

Annita is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary

of the rest of the day's news.

Thank you Victoria, good morning.

The new leader of Zimbabwe,

Emmerson Mnangagwa has urged

the country to unite.

In a speech to a cheering

crowd he praised

the army for removing

President Robert Mugabe peacefully.

Mr Mnangagwa, who will be sworn

in as president tomorrow,

said Zimbabwe was experiencing

a new democracy - and his priority

was to rebuild its economy.

The Argentine navy is investigating

reports of a sound heard a few hours

after it lost contact with one

of its submarines a week ago

in the south Atlantic.

There are concerns that

the 44 crew on board

the San Juan submarine could be

running low on oxygen.

An RAF aircraft has landed in

Argentina to help with the search.

A former doctor for the US

gymnastics team has pleaded guilty

to sexual assaults against women

and girls in his care.

Lawrence Nassar was accused

of molesting dozens

of female athletes -

including three Olympic

gold medallists -

while he was working for both

the national team and a university.

More than 70 people had

to be rescued overnight

after flooding across Lancashire.

People in Lancaster and Morecambe

were among those affected.

The fire service said it received

more than 400 calls and helped

evacuate 20 horses that

had become trapped.

There are currently 13 flood

warnings in place across Lancashire

and neighbouring Cumbria.

One resident told us

how her home was affected.

Went to work today,

thought little of it,

came home and thought,

right, it's pretty high,

it's still going to keep

on raining all night,

we had better start moving some

stuff out of the way.

And it just came in faster

and faster and faster and there came

a point where we were bucketing it

out, bailing it out.

We had pumps going.

It came a point where it was bucket

versus river and the river won.

New research suggests that drinking

a moderate amount of coffee

is unlikely to be harmful to health,

except for pregnant women.

The study, published

in the British Medical Journal,

found coffee drinkers had a lower

risk of liver disease and some

cancers, and a lower risk

of dying from stroke -

but researchers could not prove

coffee was the cause.

Helen Briggs reports.

A morning caffeine fix.

For many of us, the only

way to start the day.

But it has long been debated

whether that cup of coffee is good

or bad for you.

I think any more than two cups

of coffee kind of accelerates

the stress a bit more

so I draw the line at two.

I feel like most things are good

in moderation and if you drink

good coffee, then it should be

good for your health.

To try to find the answer,

doctors at the University

of Southampton sifted

through 200 studies,

looking at how coffee

affects the body.

They say the benefits

of drinking 3-4 cups a day

outweigh the risks for most people

and could lead to a lower likelihood

of developing heart disease,

diabetes and some cancers.

Although pregnant women and those

at risk of fractures

are still advised to steer clear.

Is an important message our findings

is that people only drinking a

couple of cups a day, but we don't

think that people who don't drink

any copy should start nor should

people try to reach a certain

target.

And researchers say further studies

are required before drinking

coffee to fight disease can be

recommended, not least because it's

often accompanied by cream,

sugary syrup or cake.

Helen Briggs, BBC News.

Home broadband providers must soon

ensure that at least 50%

of their customers can achieve

advertised speeds at peak

time, under a crackdown

to prevent misleading claims.

At the moment, firms

are allowed to advertise

"up to" speeds as long

as they are available to a minimum

of 10% of customers.

The Committee of Advertising

Practice says it's toughening up

standards, following research that

showed up to three-quarters

of households are paying

for advertised broadband speeds

they have never received.

Former Scottish Labour

leader Kezia Dugdale heads

in to the jungle tonight.

She's the latest

addition to ITV's I'm

A Celebrity...Get Me Out Of Here.

The MSP says she hopes

to appeal to young voters.

But she has admitted some of her

political colleagues would be

shocked and angry at her appearance

on the reality TV show.

That is a summary of the latest BBC

News, Moore at 9:30am. Back to your

Victoria, hope you are enjoying your

coffee! I've only had one. Edward

says Kezia Dugdale should be allowed

to take part in I'm A Celebrity Get

Me Out Of Here, users, she is a

great politician in Scotland, I hope

she wins. She is donating some of

her fee to charity. She is donating

all of her wages for the three

weeks's leave that she is taking, to

charity. She says it is a way to cut

through to people, it has been done

before, Nadine Tories did it when

she was a Tory MP, she went into the

Jungle. George Galloway, Edwina

Currie, all sorts of people. Edwina

Currie wasn't a politician when she

did Strictly, was she. Your view

please. Let's get some sport now.

Finally the Ashes Series has begun!

Yes, the talk is over, the 2017

Ashes and away. The first one was

difficult to gauge much fun, England

hoping to retain the trophy of

course. They were taking on

Australia at a ground where

Australia haven't been beaten in

almost 30 years in a test. England

won toss and decided to bat. They

lost Alastair Cook for only two runs

but his replacement James Vince did

a great job at number three with a

very classy 83. That was before he

was brilliantly run out by Lyon,

despite that, James Vince says he

has answered some of his doubters,

questions were asked about his form.

Mark Stoneman made a half-century.

Captain Joe Root was trapped LBW for

only 15. Dawid Malan also impressed,

he showed he was confident, scoring

a quickfire 28 not out before the

close, which came with the light

fading in Brisbane. Australia

captain Steve Smith wasn't happy, it

was only three deliveries after he'd

taken it the new ball. England will

be content with the first day, they

are 196-4 after their first innings.

Lets get some runs early, conditions

are bit different to what we

expected, but a huge and paycheque

at the start of the day, onto the

bat better as the day went on. --

not a huge amount of pace in it. I

think the money will be crucial if

we get through the first hour, get

towards a big score. They bowled

pretty well and deserved something

from the day. It is a bit

disappointing, matter what score a

batsman gets you always want more.

It would have been mice at the end

of the day but stuff like that

happens in cricket.

He didn't take any wickets but only

conceded 40 runs, Kevin Pietersen

said he would have preferred to see

him imposing self a little bit more.

That Fielding was absolutely

outstanding. Right, Champions

League, couple of defeats for

British clubs?

Yes, more Champions

League action last night, three more

British clubs playing, the

penultimate set of group games,

Manchester United beaten 1-0 in

Switzerland, despite having the

lion's share of play against FC

Barcelona. They are top of Group A,

qualification not secured, the side

needing a draw from the final group

game at home to CSKA Moscow in order

to reach the knockout stages as the

group winners you would still make

them favoured. They have to be

better in front of goal, unlucky.

Jose Mourinho wasn't pleased, he

claimed they could have scored five

or six goals by half-time, the late

winner coming from FC Basel just

before the end of the game.

I think

we play a match like this ten times

and out of we win comfortable, we

lose in the other one. The one game

was now. I can hear a few years ago

with Chelsea, we lost in the last

minute but in that match I don't

think we had one shot on target, we

played really bad. Today was not the

case.

His former club Chelsea had no

issues in front of goal last night,

Willie Aaron scoring, Antonio

Conte's side, for a top of the

group, but moaning scheduling as

they face Liverpool on Saturday

following this 5000 mile round trip.

I am sure Celtic would walk 5000

miles to reach the Europa League,

they took an early lead away to PSG

but were dismantled on the night

losing 7-1. Brendan Rodgers side

note a draw in their final game will

mean they continue in the second

tier.

Your professional pride is

hurt and people who don't watch the

game, see the score, they think,

7-1, what I can take from the game

is there is enough positive momentum

and we have been together for a

period of time and we are realistic

enough and humble enough when we

win, you have to be honest when you

lose and then you move on to your

next game.

England are through to

the semifinals of the women's hockey

world league final in New Zealand

beat in the United States to happen

once in Auckland, the second when

the tournament, eight of the squad

that won Olympic gold last summer,

Sophie Gray scoring both goals, they

will now play New Zealand for a spot

in the final. That's all your

support.

We'll be back with more

later. Thank you. It is 18 minutes

past nine. More comments from you

about whether Kezia Doug dealt

should appear in the programme I'm a

celebrity, you saw her briefly last

night, Avril says I think it's a

disgrace that a current serving MSP

should go a wall, she should be back

in the UK, fighting the cause is.

She still being paid from the public

purse, Scottish Labour Party is to

show the bishop in suspending her.

Ryan says on Twitter when you fail

at the day job it's nice to have a

little earner down under. Let me

know your views.

He's been homeless for most

of his adult life, has autism

and has the mental age of a child.

Bradley Grimes is a 23-year-old man

from Middlesbrough whose situation

became so desperate,

that he stood up in court and asked

a judge to send him to prison.

The judge took pity on him

and activated a suspended prison

sentence he'd been given

for sleeping in shop doorways

and a knife offence.

The judge made sure he had

accommodation before

he was allowed out of jail.

Bradley Grimes has been

given chances before -

with accommodation and social

services - and he's made mistakes.

But generally, he says he's been

let down by the system,

and the judge agreed.

We met up with Bradley Grimes just

after he was released from prison.

I've got a brain tumour

on my head and suffer

with epilepsy and heart murmur.

I've also got autism,

Asperger's and the mental

age of a young child.

I was in care from the age

of ten, 11 years old until

I was 17 and a half.

I was straight on the

streets when I came out.

Just around here, this

is where I used to sleep, here.

Most of the night I was

on the street, sleeping

in places like this.

I got used to it sort of thing.

I was trying to go to the council

and Citizens Advice and other places

but they kept on sending me from one

place to the other and I ended up

going round in circles

through all the different agencies.

I was using a substantial

amount of drugs, yeah,

just to take my mind off things.

This is the alleyway

where where I used to sit.

I used to sit in the middle

so it was away from the shops.

Just asking people for money.

Basically, all they've done

is placed an anti-social

behaviour order on me

to try to stop me from begging.

But I have to in order to survive.

Yeah, I used to sit

down here like this.

Just sit on the floor here.

What happened?

Well, CCTV picks you up

and they dispatch either the police

or the street wardens.

If the police come, you're arrested.

It got to the stage where

they were locking me up once

or twice a day for a period of a few

months and I was in pretty

much all weekend nearly

enough every weekend.

For doing what?

Just for basically

sitting outside a shop.

I can't even sit on a public bench

without getting locked up.

I have to keep moving.

I just basically went in and asked

the judge to send me down

until they could get appropriate

accommodation for me.

That's the last option I had,

what I could think of.

Even the judge in court said

that they shouldn't be giving

homeless people criminal behaviour

orders, they should be helping them.

What are you going to do?

I'm in the same situation myself,

just been released from prison

with nowhere to go.

I went to the Middlesbrough Council,

there's nothing here for you,

there's nothing we can do for you,

you know what I mean?

There's no help

round here for no one.

I know, like for yourself,

you know that yourself, don't you?

Yeah.

And I have spoke to you in the past

as well, haven't I,

about a few things.

They don't do nothing.

They turned round and said,

because of my history,

that's why they can't

get me nowhere.

What's your history?

There's been robberies

and that, you know.

But that was when, back in the day.

Yeah, probation refused

to help me with an address

until I was in prison.

Yeah, but I've been in prison...

Basically, like, you put yourself

right, get yourself off drugs

but unless they get you somewhere

you might have a slip-up every now

and again and like you're

back to square one.

And all the police do

is arrest you for trying

to look after yourself.

Exactly, there you go,

he's just said it for himself.

He has to beg because he's got

nowhere to live and he has

to beg for food and that.

Look what's happened.

He has to send himself to jail!

Is life easier in prison?

I thought it was, yeah.

Why?

You don't have to worry

about nothing in there,

no bills, nothing.

Can't you go to the council

and speak to a social worker

or someone like that?

I put in for a rapid reclaim.

Do that, you might get

some benefits from them.

Or go to probation.

They'll send you to the food bank.

You don't want to be

coming back to here,

it's terrible round here.

Just stay off your drugs

and you'll be laughing.

All right.

I've got the mental

age of a ten-year-old.

It's impossible for me to cope

on my own because I'm bad

with things like budget and money.

I'm clean, I haven't

used since I've been out

and I am struggling because,

even though I'm starting

to get help now, I still

don't think it's enough.

I would like to move out

of Middlesbrough completely.

Maybe just go to Durham,

Northallerton way, live down there.

I think if I could do that,

I could guarantee myself,

change even more and guarantee

to stay off drugs.

We did ask to speak to Middlesbrough

council but they've not responded.

We have heard from the Durham Tees

Valley Probation Service who told us

they provide every prison leaver

with a support service targeted

around their specific needs:

with a support service targeted

"This can

include accommodation,

employability, finance

Really interesting e-mail from

Howard who is a sitting magistrate

and has been for 18 years and

watched the film, he said I can

assure you requests to be imprisoned

during Court proceedings are very

common, this must have happened to

me 50 or more times, some who

request it are drug addicts who feel

it's the only way to kick the habit

but the majority are homeless people

who are usually in for shoplifting.

It's more prevalent in winter

because of the weather but

especially noticeable immediately

before Christmas. Jean on Facebook

says what a country we have become.

This lad and thousands like him

hounded and penalised effectively

for dry to stay alive, I am more

ashamed of my country daily. Karen

says this is the result of a broken,

forgotten and disconnected society,

state raised kids governed by box

ticking, if they don't want to live

on the streets they often feel

forced into the army or prison, both

give them a family of sorts and

routine. Gavin on Facebook is not

sympathetic, says this poor lad in

inverted commas wants to fill his

pockets with our taxes. Christopher

Middlesbrough says it's a sad

situation, baking becoming more

coming but what confuses me, the

council finding housing for asylum

seekers well documented in the

media, we've reported by bad on our

programme yet these local folk are

struggling and getting locked up

just for begging. Surely it's better

all round to house them? Thank you

for those, keep them coming in. In

the next 30 minutes...

We talk to MPs about

whether yesterday's

Budget has done enough -

amid predictions of

an economic slowdown.

Let us know your views.

We'll get the latest from the first

Ashes Test in Brisbane,

from this kangaroo.

Time for the latest

news - here's Annita.

The BBC News headlines this morning.

Conservative MPs have rallied around

the Chancellor after his budget

was overshadowed by a gloomier

than expected forecast

for economic growth.

Philip Hammond announced a series of

spending and tax measures amounting

to £25 billion.

He won cautious praise for providing

extra money for the NHS,

housebuilding and Brexit.

The Chancellor says his budget has

delivered "a package

for Britain" and for families

who are feeling the pressure.

However, Labour say Mr Hammond

failed to address the squeeze

on household incomes.

The new leader of Zimbabwe,

Emmerson Mnangagwa, has urged

the country to unite.

In a speech to a cheering crowd

he praised the army for removing

President Robert Mugabe peacefully.

Mr Mnangagwa, who will be sworn

in as president tomorrow,

said Zimbabwe was experiencing

a new democracy - and his priority

is to rebuild its economy.

The Argentine navy is investigating

reports of a sound heard a few hours

after it lost contact with one

of its submarines a week ago

in the south Atlantic.

There are concerns that the 44 crew

on board the San Juan submarine

could be running low on oxygen.

An RAF aircraft has landed in

Argentina to help with the search.

A former doctor for the US

gymnastics team has pleaded guilty

to sexual assaults against women

and girls in his care.

Lawrence Nassar was accused

of molesting dozens

of female athletes -

including three Olympic

gold medallists -

while he was working for both

the national team and a university.

More than 70 people had

to be rescued overnight

after flooding across Lancashire.

People in Lancaster and Morecambe

were among those affected.

The fire service said it received

more than 400 calls and helped

evacuate 20 horses that

had become trapped.

There are currently 13 flood

warnings in place across Lancashire

and neighbouring Cumbria.

One resident told us

how her home was affected.

Went to work today,

thought little of it,

came home and thought,

right, it's pretty high,

it's still going to keep

on raining all night,

we had better start moving some

stuff out of the way.

And it just came in faster

and faster and faster and there came

a point where we were bucketing it

out, bailing it out.

We had pumps going.

It came a point where it was bucket

versus river and the river won.

New research suggests that drinking

a moderate amount of coffee

is unlikely to be harmful to health,

except for pregnant women.

The study, published

in the British Medical Journal,

found coffee drinkers had a lower

risk of liver disease and some

cancers, and a lower risk

of dying from stroke -

but researchers could not prove

coffee was the cause.

That's a summary of the latest news.

Tracy has sent a message through

Twitter about Kezia Dugdale in I'm A

Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here, saying

it feels more like an attempted

exposure, yet she has a job to do

here. Another viewers says that she

sees herself as another Ed Balls,

and imagines she will be on Strictly

next year. She knows she doesn't

have much time left in the party, he

says. Dave says, referring to

Conservative MPs, we should have a

go at them as well. Another viewers

says that she is not a celebrity,

she is a politician, she should not

get paid that when some in the UK

can't even eat, maybe some of her

salary could go to a homeless

project. She says that her fee from

the programme, part of it, is going

to charity and part of her three

weeks leave wages are also going to

charity. Now the latest sport with

Hugh. England ending the opening day

of the Ashes with four wickets gone,

James Vince. Scorer on 83, Mark

Stoneman made half-century as

England made a steady start at the

Gabba Stadium. Joe Root was that her

15, Alastair Cook for only two.

Manchester United will have to wait

for their final group match to reach

the Champions League knockout stage

after losing 1-0 two FC Basle last

night. United could win the group

could go out. Celtic were thrashed

7-1 by PSG last night despite taking

the lead. If they avoid defeat in

their final match they could get

into the Europa League and England

to play New Zealand in the

semifinals of the women's hockey

world league final tomorrow, they

beat the United States 2-1 in

Auckland this morning. We'll be back

with more after ten. Thank you.

The Chancellor Philip Hammond lives

to fight another day

after his budget yesterday,

where amongst a raft

of headline spends on housing,

the NHS, and Brexit,

he had to downgrade the UK's growth

forecast for the next few years.

It's been cautiously welcomed

by Conservative MPs calling it

'solid and commonsense'.

But the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn

warned it would cause "misery"

for people across the country.

Housing was the showstopper

with the announcement that stamp

duty would be scrapped for first

time buyers - on homes worth up

to £300,000 in England,

Wales and Northern Ireland.

He promised more cash

for the NHS in England -

an extra £2.8 billion over

the next three years.

And he said that nurses

would get extra pay -

if their pay bodies recommend it.

He also set aside £3 billion in case

there's no deal on Brexit.

And pledged help for people moving

on to Universal Credit.

Duties for beer, wine,

spirits and petrol will be frozen.

But there'll be an increase

for white cider, from 2019.

The cut in stamp duty will save most

first time buyers up

to £5,000.

But some have told the BBC that

house prices are so high,

they can't even think

about owning their own home,

forcing the Chancellor

to defend the policy.

Well, the average first-time buyer

price is below £300,000,

that's absolutely right,

and if somebody buys a property

for less than £300,000 they will pay

no stamp duty on it and I think

that's a very helpful additional

incentive to people who are saving

up to buy a property.

When you buy your first home,

you need to accumulate quite a bit

of cash to pay for the deposit,

to pay for the stamp duty,

to pay for the legal fees,

and hopefully, by abolishing stamp

duty which will save the average

first-time buyer about £1700,

that will be a help and an incentive

to focus on getting the deposit

together, getting the money together

to get on the housing ladder

and we hope that many more young

people will be able to get

on the housing ladder.

His Labour shadow John McDonnell

told the BBC this morning

that he believes the Budget willl do

nothing for families.

I don't see where he's

helped families at all.

If you look, if he's referring

to Universal Credit,

what he did yesterday if he gave

people £1 and took £10 off them.

If he's referring to families

who are concerned about

the education of their children,

there is virtually nothing

there to tackle the budget cuts that

are going through our schools.

And if he's talking about health,

the chief executive of the health

service asked for £4 million,

he's got just over half of that,

but nowhere near the amount he needs

so we are facing another winter

crisis in the NHS.

I just think, it demonstrates to me

how cut off from the real lives

of people the Chancellor is.

Let's talk now to Labour MP

Alison McGovern who sits

on the Treasury select committee,

Conservative MP Kwasi Kwarteng

and MP Kirsty Blackman who is

the SNP's expert on economics.

Welcome to you all, thank you for

coming on the programme. Mr

Kwarteng, was this the game changing

budget ledger party needed and

desired.

I think it's a solid

budget, it has things that people

find attractive and it puts us and a

good place. Contrast it with what

John McDonnell and others say. This

budget was wholly coherent. The

attacks from Labour seem incoherent

to me. It's clear that £5,000 is a

huge gift for first-time buyers and

any increase in house prices will be

more than offset by the stamp duty

abolition. I think that is a good

policy, there's lots more money for

the NHS. The Brexit provision, he

isn't spending the money but he's

said at the side.

You don't sound

very enthusiastic.

I am but I'm

trying to become and measured. I

think it was a very good budget.

The

cut to stamp duty. Up to £5,000,

that's an amazing amount of money

and will have a lot of first-time

buyers come you must be delighted.

If Iraq absolutely not. Just wait a

second, look at what the OBR said

yesterday, they say it will increase

house prices are the people to whom

this benefit will go is people who

already own homes. OK. This means

first-time buyers won't get any help

from this. And we know that helped

by has had a similar impact. More

prompting of demand in the housing

market and if you look at the detail

there's not much new money going

into supply. We desperately need to

upgrade housing so we have more

homes for families and we have

places in the south-east where we

have new towns that needs to grow,

there isn't really any action on

that. It's not the case that people

have had the situation made easier

for them. Do you agree it is only of

benefit to people who own homes?

I'm

sorry, but the OBR figure was 0.3%.

It doesn't take Einstein to work out

that... That was the figure, that is

what Rachel Reeves said. She is a

colleague of Alison's and she said

that in the House of Commons

yesterday, 0.3%. Anyone with basic

maths will know that 0.3% of

£300,000 is much less than the

£5,000...

The OBR also said this

policy will only lead to the

purchase of an additional three and

4000 homes a year.

The OBR figure

also suggested, the model was based

on the idea that they will be

building any more houses.

You pulled

a face.

Three and a half thousand

more houses for the whole of England

and Wales is not many more that

people will be able to buy. We are

committed to a much more progressive

tax system so people at the bottom

pay less tax than those of the top

pay a bit more. Over the first two

years that we have had our stamp

duty, 93% of people buying a house,

£40,000 or more have paid less in

Scotland than they would have in

England. We've taken a look at this,

which is I think a better way to do

it. The Chancellor takes things,

takes income tax, takes stamp duty

rather than looking up the whole

system and making changes to make

the whole system better.

I

completely disagree with what Kwasi

says about the OBR analysis. They

say first-time buyers won't see the

benefit, that's the end of it, as

far as concerned, it's not a good

policy. Secondly, if you ask

potential home-buyers what they need

it to be able to say the deposit.

And what the Chancellor did

yesterday was come he spent more

trying to keep down the price of

alcohol than he did giving people a

boost in their pay and trying to

tackle child poverty. If we look at

what will help people buy homes it's

making sure incomes are at a level

where they can say, and he did

absolutely nothing, yesterday, to

help.

There was promised to look at

Mrs's pay if reforms were

undertaken.

I don't think that's

true. If you look at the personal

allowance, the amount you get before

you have to pay tax, yesterday it

has increased from £11,500 to

£11,850. A considerable amount of

money, an extra £350 per pupil on

the lowest pay which they can earn

without paying tax, a significant

increase of the government has been

doing for the seven years.

Explain

to me why a child poverty, over the

course of this period, will go up by

400,000 kids by the end of this

budget period. If your assertion

that the personal allowance is what

matters, why will not not happen in

this country, you comfortable with

that level of child poverty?

Know

but when I see Labour politicians

blaming the Chancellor because they

think he stole their policy on stamp

duty, I haven't read the Labour

manifesto, I don't know what is in

and but Jeremy Corbyn yesterday said

the stamp duty policy is taken from

the Labour manifesto. And on the

other hand you had Labour

criticising it. When this budget the

opposition has to find something to

criticise...

Business and opposition

politicians, this is the OBR, which

George Osborne setup to make sure we

had independent analysis... Get

stuck about Universal Credit, one of

the biggest issues for our audience,

business money enough to sort it

out, Kirsty?

The Chancellor didn't

tackled the structural issues he's

going to reduce the waiting time

which, all welcome, is still a

five-week wait which people will

have about anything. We have seen

food bank is increasing over the

time the Tories have been in

government, to over a million food

banks...

What can be done?

They've

put Universal Credit in as a

money-saving measure. People will

get less benefit. People having a

third child don't get benefits for

that child.

That has led to more

people getting into work and staying

in work longer, what would you do in

government?

We have seen increases

in in - work poverty. There hasn't

been a decade of stagnation like

this. If you ask people in work,

what we would do is increase the

minimum wage to a living wage. We

would ensure people had the money

they could spend. We would have

measures in place to tackle

inflation. Inflation has gone crazy

thanks to Brexit. And we would not

pursue Brexit.

We've also increased the minimum

wage, but something we did in the

budget.

That's basically why child

poverty has increased.

You describe

this £3 billion put aside by the

Chancellor to cope with their is a

no deal Brexit as a joke, why?

The

problem with the brakes of money is

that it's way more than the

Chancellor committed to the NHS. We

were told by the Brexiteers exit

would be great, we will have 350

million quid a week for the NHS and

all I can see so far is the cost of

the thing and we are getting little

benefit.

You accept the Brexit is

costing this country a lot of money,

40 billion plus 3 billion?

It's

being set aside, it's not actually a

cost. I'd be. If there is no deal at

my be but it's not a guaranteed. In

terms of Brexit I was for Brexit, I

think in the long term...

How long

is the long-term, how long do we

have to wait?

I don't want to read

litigate the Brexit the Brexit

argument, I'm bored with that. I

think is responsible for the

government to plan for no deal, if

you go into any negotiation you plan

for either outcome.

Very briefly,

compared to the issues we have been

discussing I appreciate it's not up

there in terms of importance but as

a politician's personal decision to

go into I'm a celebrity, Kezia Doug

Dell, a Labour colleague of yours in

Scotland what do you think of what

she no, people take their own view

about these things, politicians go

on different telly programmes, Ed

Balls went on strictly. He wasn't a

politician.

That is true, if her

constituents want to ask her about

it and talk about it that is fine

and I understand that but I think...

Do you think she should be

suspended?

I think she's trying to

reach out and Owen on a big telly

programme is a way...

This is what

she had disabled stop first and

foremost it's a huge UK wide tell

but television per gram of an

audience into the millions on the

think it's an opportunity to talk to

young people about politics and

Labour values. The first time I was

approached to do this I said no, I

turned it down because I didn't

think I could be away from my job

for over five weeks, the show came

back to me and asked me if I could

go away for three weeks and two days

and that is what I am going to do.

What do you think? I would not have

done it, because parliament is

sitting in Scotland just now, she's

missing votes, important debates.

She says it's just leap. It's not a

choice I would take.

Would you ever

do that? I never would but I won't

criticise people who do, Nadine

Dorries did it, it's a good way of

communicating to people.

Elaine

says, mission accomplished because

everybody is taking notice of you!

We are in the publicity business, as

a politician you have to get your

message out there and I won't

criticise a politician.

You don't

want to dumb down politics but you

have to reach out to people, how do

you square that circle?

Thank you

all for coming on the programme.

More than 70 people had to be

rescued overnight after flooding in

like a sure, we talked to some of

those in the worst affected areas.

The Ashes - one of sport's greatest

rivalries - is under way.

The opening test is at The Gabba,

in Brisbane, where Australia haven't

lost a Test for 29 years -

and where England

haven't won since 1986.

Play ended just over an hour ago

and England were 196-4.

ISABELLE WESTBURY is

a former professional

cricketer, now a commentator.

LUKE GILLIAN is an Australian

cricket fan living in the UK -

he's travelled all over the world

to support his team.

At Lords is ADAM SOFRONIOU,

an England cricket fan who stayed up

all night to watch the first day

of play at a special event for fans

organised by the cricket charity

Chance to Shine.

And with him is ERNIE THE URN,

the Ashes mascot who lives at Lords.

We've been up all night, for the

night of the museum, great fun.

I'll

ask you more about that in a second,

I can't help feel slightly

disappointed when I see that, it's

so looming small.

And in Australia is CARL TEUSNER,

Australian cricket fan

known as "the travelling roo".

He followed the Australian team

around for the Cricket World Cup

dressed as a kangaroo.

Michael HENNESSY is in Brisbane -

he's founder of The Richies,

who are a group of Australian

cricket fans

Marvellous to talk to you!

And also in Brisbane

are their rivals The Barmy Army.

They're a group of

England cricket fans.

Billy Cooper - also known as Billy

The Trumpet is one of them.

Hello, everybody. Obviously, let me

start with you Billy, how do you

assess how England did on the first

day?

All in all, not bad at all. A

dodgy start but it went well,

Australia fought back but I would

take that all in all.

Cook was out,

2-1, did you think, here we go

again?

Yes, we are used to that as

England fans, England collapsed many

times over the years but I think

there's a bit more about this team

and the Australians are not that

strong, a bit of optimism going

around, we think this time we have a

good chance.

We will see, Michael,

described the rich cheese for us.

We

have marvellous examples, we are

here to honour Richie Benaud, the

great Australian cricket captain and

commentator, the voice of cricket in

England and Australia.

We'd heard so

much about the Australian attack,

they did pretty well but they

weren't the horror show that England

fans were perhaps expect?

Yes, it's

a shame, isn't it? We were hoping

for 8-190, pretty evenly poised like

Billy said, on a knife edge. England

have done pretty well, the Lions

looking pretty good, Ali always

strong. Tomorrow will be a big day,

could change the course of this

match.

Isabel, I want to ask you

about James Spence, run out, batting

brilliantly, his first Ashes Test

match. 83 he runs himself out, as a

former player what's it like when

you make that decision, there is a

slight risk that you are not bad for

away from a centre, toggle through

it.

It's agony, type run, you have

to give it to the feeding,

incredible, inspired by Nathan

lying, unfortunately for the English

he was chatting a lot, had a chat

with stone man in the middle, opt

for it, picked up the ball

beautifully, one shot at the stance

and he knew it, things like that

happen, it's annoying, agonising for

events not to get his maiden century

but a maiden half-century on Ashes

day, not bad.

A brilliant piece of

fielding, wasn't it?

I believe so, I

never saw it. What will you doing?

Like many people, sleeping. Why have

we put two?

196...

It could have

been a lot worse, I tell you.

Yes,

we could have been all out for 196,

would have been much better for me.

Did you have the Radio 1?

Yes.

And

you are mostly sleeping.

There was a

rain delay as well. I know. The time

difference... And I had to be up

early! Don't we all, make? But you

weren't watching the whole thing.

I've got the Radio 1. Adam... Tell

us about the atmosphere when you are

all watching the England performance

and as we note with Test match

cricket, the pendulum swings one way

and then the other, you must have

been a bit glum and Alastair Cook

was out.

Absolutely, we thought we

were in for a very long night but

fortunately it's great to see Vince

and the others make some great runs,

played themselves little bit

disheartened by the rain break. I

snuck off for a quick 40 winks, we

were powered through the night by

tea and coffee.

The new England boys

did well, didn't they?

They were

really did, really impressed, great

to see them stand up and make their

mark. A lot of people questioning

them but they played so nicely,

scored runs, great cover drives,

brilliant.

Let me bring in Karl,

talk us through your outfit.

How are

you?

Really well, talk us through

your outfit, let's see it, at the

moment we can just see... Can you

see that? You go around dressed like

that?

Yes, I went to 16 games

dressed as a kangaroo, across

Australia and New Zealand, I became

a bit famous during the World Cup.

What kind of reaction do you get

from the crowd?

I tell you what, the

subcontinent fans love that, two

hours after each game I get asked

for a selfies, they absolutely love

it.

How hot is it inside?

Right now

it's not too bad, you want to watch

the United Arab Emirates play in

Brisbane, that was sobbing. I was

dehydrated after that.

Typically,

not too bad. Billy, let me come back

to you, I don't want to use the word

banter, it's been a bit used and not

very nice terms but in terms of the

relationship between Billy, the

barmy Army and the Australian

cricket fans, what's that like?

I

think on the whole, we have a lot of

fun supporting our team, the Aussies

are a mixed bunch, some of them have

fun, some of them maybe not quite so

fun loving but we look forward to

getting together with the Richies,

we are looking forward to that, we

will see what they have got, added

to the atmosphere, see what they

have got.

Michael, how do you think

this series will play out of them?

I

think it's going to be really

competitive. Both teams are very

close, Australia have the home

advantage, both the new players for

England, they could rise to the

occasion and Vince has done well in

that regard. Or they could crumble,

we will see what tomorrow and the

next couple of days hold but a lot

of pressure on England, the English

fans aren't really known for their

optimism, we will see, we are not

sure how long they will keep their

chins up.

LAUGHTER Isabel, what's it

like for a player, a new player,

when you step up to play honour to

represent your country?

They won't

have felt anything like it, the

Ashes, the pinnacle, since 1882, the

history, the tradition, I think as

well a similar culture between

England and Australia, there is

nothing that can top that.

Are you

going to be listening tonight?

I had

a good nights sleep so I should be

up a bit later tonight. Australia

should be batting.

I was expecting

them to bad. We will see, thanks all

of you, I appreciate your time. News

and sport in a moment that here is

the weather.

Many of us noticing it's not cold

this morning, some of us have had

snow. Mainly over Scotland, the

higher ground, some centimetres

falling here, as the skies clear,

clearer weather, temperatures

dropping, the risk of ice over the

next few hours. Largely dry

elsewhere across the UK. For many of

us, a real change in the

temperatures. For the rest of today,

we continue to seek showers across

northern England, Wales, south-west

England, not as much rain as we saw

it yesterday in flood hit areas in

Cumbria and Lancashire, showers

easing. The odd shower this

afternoon around the Bristol

Channel, for most of England dry and

bright, just about holding on to

double digit temperatures, 10-12d.

Elsewhere much colder, temperatures

dropping by a few degrees, 6-7d.

Wintry showers into Northern

Ireland, into north-western parts of

Scotland, the majority of the snow

clearing, cold, temperatures between

3-4d. The cold are with us today and

the next few days, into the weekend,

still with us, cold are in charge.

For Friday, largely dry and bright,

some sunshine, some showers turning

wintry cross Scotland, Northern

Ireland, north-west England, North

Wales. Some is no over the

mountains. Most of us a dry day with

sunshine, some showers across the

far south, even in the South West

territories dropping between 7-9,

feeling cold. This weekend, frosty

nights, the risk of ice, some

showers through the day, chilly

wind, but for most, dry with

sunshine. This is Saturday, plenty

of dry weather, sunshine, some

showers affect northern and western

Scotland, into the Irish sea, the

coast of north-west England, sunny

spells elsewhere, keep that

north-westerly airstream, the cold

are coming across the UK. Still

quite breezy on Sunday, but

north-westerly wind, one of those

northern and western coasts, you

will see showers. On Sunday for most

dry and bright, sunshine,

temperatures about 5-9d. Equipped

yourselves with hats, scarves and

gloves as we go towards the weekend.

gloves as we go towards the weekend.

We will, Simon, thank you.

Hello it's Thursday November

23rd, it's 10 o'clock,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

Conservative MPs have backed

the Chancellor, Philip Hammond,

calling his Budget "solid"

and common-sense" despite gloomy

forecasts for economic growth.

That was a considerable amount of

money, an extra £350 for people on

the lowest paid that they can earn

without having to pay tax. A

significant increase, part of what

the government has been doing for

seven years.

So explain why child

poverty, over the course of this

budget period, will go up by 400,000

kids.

Also, Bradley Grimes -

the 23-year-old who spent 7 years

on the streets of Middlesbrough

before begging a judge

to send him to jail.

I used to sit on the floor here.

What happened?

Well, CCTV picks you up

and they dispatch either the

police or the street wardens.

If the police come, you're arrested.

Many of you getting in touch about

our film. Maggie says an Twitter,

this young man was in care, why

safeguard him only to abandon him

when he is an adult, what kind of

outcome is that for him?

You can watch that report back

on our programme page

at bbc.co.uk/victoria

And also on our social media

channels.

And politician in the jungle -

lots of reaction from

you to the former leader

of Scottish Labour Kezia Dugdale

making her first appearance

on I'm a Celebrity,

Get me out of here.

She's not the first politician

to appear on reality TV -

who can forget this?

Would you like me to be the cat?

Yes

please. It's OK, don't be

frightened.

I don't like spiders.

Pull off a leg and give it a try. Go

on.

I had forgotten how excruciating

that cat business was. What do think

about the Labour MSP Kezia Dugdale

appearing in I'm A Celebrity Get Me

Out Of Here. Has she done right

thing? What do you think of the way

that the Labour Party in Scotland

have handled her decision?

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news.

Thank you, Victoria, good morning

again.

Conservative MPs have rallied around

the Chancellor after his budget

was overshadowed by a gloomier

than expected forecast

for economic growth.

Philip Hammond announced

a series of spending

and tax measures

amounting to £25 billion.

He won cautious praise for providing

extra money for the NHS,

housebuilding and Brexit.

And for families feeling the

pressure.

The Chancellor says his budget has

delivered "a package

for Britain" and for families

who are feeling the pressure.

However, Labour say Mr Hammond

failed to address the squeeze

on household incomes.

The new leader of Zimbabwe,

Emmerson Mnangagwa, has urged

the country to unite.

In a speech to a cheering

crowd he praised

the army for removing

President Robert Mugabe peacefully.

Mr Mnangagwa, who will be sworn

in as president tomorrow,

said Zimbabwe was experiencing

a new democracy - and his priority

was to rebuild its economy.

Nearly 2 million adults experienced

domestic abuse in England and Wales

says a major new report from the

ONS. The figures from the crime

survey for England and Wales for the

year ending March 20 17th reveal

that 1.2 million women and 713,000

men reported being victims of some

form of domestic abuse in the

previous year. 1.1 million reports

of abuse were recorded by police.

The Argentine navy is investigating

reports of a sound heard a few hours

after it lost contact with one

of its submarines a week ago

in the south Atlantic.

There are concerns that

the 44 crew on board

the San Juan submarine could be

running low on oxygen.

An RAF aircraft has landed in

Argentina to help with the search.

A former doctor for the US

gymnastics team has pleaded guilty

to sexual assaults against women

and girls in his care.

Lawrence Nassar was accused

of molesting dozens

of female athletes -

including three Olympic

gold medallists -

while he was working for both

the national team and a university.

More than 70 people had

to be rescued overnight

after flooding across Lancashire.

People in Lancaster and Morecambe

were among those affected.

The fire service said it received

more than 400 calls and helped

evacuate 20 horses that

had become trapped.

There are currently 8 flood warnings

in place across Lancashire

and neighbouring Cumbria.

One resident told us

how her home was affected.

Went to work today,

thought little of it,

came home and thought,

right, it's pretty high,

it's still going to keep

on raining all night,

we had better start moving some

stuff out of the way.

And it just came in faster

and faster and faster and there came

a point where we were bucketing it

out, bailing it out.

We had pumps going.

It came a point where it was bucket

versus river and the river won.

New research suggests that drinking

a moderate amount of coffee

is unlikely to be harmful to health,

except for pregnant women.

The study, published

in the British Medical Journal,

found coffee drinkers had a lower

risk of liver disease and some

cancers, and a lower risk

of dying from stroke -

but researchers could not prove that

coffee was the cause.

That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10.30.

Victoria. More comments from you

about Bradley Grimes, the

23-year-old featured in our film

earlier. He has been homeless for a

number of years and got so desperate

he asked a judge to send him to

prison so he would have a roof over

his head. So the judge activated a

suspended prison sentence Bradley

grants had been given earlier for a

knife offence and anti-social

behaviour, so he went to jail. The

judge effectively said, he can't

come out of jail until he's got

somewhere to live. That has

happened. Janet says in a tweet, my

heart bleeds, surely he has a social

worker? What a cruel country we have

become. Angela e-mailed to say, I

was very sad to see your report on

this man, I agree that the

government and the councils do what

they can for asylum seekers yet some

of our own people are abandoned to

the streets. Rebecca says this is

like a ten-year-old vulnerable boy

on the streets, he needs help and

support. Another viewers says, your

film is so sad and I have been

homeless myself.

Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning -

use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

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Here's some sport now with Hugh.

Good morning again, the 2017 Ashes

is now underway. The first day was a

difficult one to gauge the players

feeling their way into this series,

it will be huge, England hoping to

retain the Ashes. They faced

Australia in the first test at the

Gabba, where Australia haven't lost

in a test for almost 30 years.

England won toss and batted but not

a great start, they lost Alastair

Cook firmly two runs. James Vince

came in next and did a great job,

composed 83 stealing the headlines

before this brilliant run out by

Nathan Lyon. Despite that moment,

James Vince says he has answered

some of his doubters. Mark Stoneman

made half-century low captain Joe

Root will be disappointed, trapped

LBW and only 15. Dawid Malan

impressed with a quickfire 28 not

out before the close which came with

the fading light in Brisbane.

Australian captain Steve Smith

wasn't happy, only three deliveries

after he took the new ball the

players were off. England ended on

196-4 in their first innings, they

will be content.

Good to get runs

only, conditions are bit different

to expected, there wasn't a huge

amount of

pace in it for the start of the day,

it got better as the day went on.

They bowled quite well, didn't give

us a lot, I think the morning is

crucial, if we can get through the

first hour and edge our we to the

first... It was a good pick-up, he

bowled pretty well and deserved

something. Disappointing, no matter

what score a batsman gets he always

wants more. It would have been nice

at the end of the day but stuff like

that happens in cricket.

Keep

up-to-date with the ashes on radio

Five Live Extra, the programme

begins at 1130 tonight, play begins

at midnight. In football Manchester

United aren't sure of making the

Champions League knockout stages

after losing 1-0 against FC Basel

incident last night. Manchester

United will need at least one draw

from their final group game and beat

CSKA Moscow to go into the next

stage. Willian scored twice in

Chelsea's win, they qualify as group

winners. Scottish champions Celtic

out of the competition, they took an

early lead away against PSG but were

dismantled, losing 7-1. A draw in

their final group match would mean

that Celtic continue in the second

tier, the Europa League. England A

into the semifinals of the women's

hockey world league final in New

Zealand, they beat the USA 2-1 in

Auckland for their second win of the

tournament. Eight of the England

squad won Olympic golds with Team GB

last summer. Sophie Bray scored both

goals. They will play the hosts, New

Zealand, for a place in the final,

tomorrow morning. That's all the

sport, now back to your Victoria.

Thank you. Jon Venables, one of two

boys found guilty of killing toddler

James Bulger back in 1993 is back in

jail. He was caught with child abuse

images for the second time. John

Venables, who is now 35, together

with Robert Thompson, tortured and

killed two-year-old James Bulger in

the early 1990s. The boys were ten.

John Venables has been living under

a new identity fears. Daniel

Sandford, our correspondent, is

here.

About a week ago on a routine

visit to John Venables, now living

under a second new identity,

officials found what they suspected

were new illegal images of child

pornography on a computer linked to

him. It is potentially a criminal

offence and police are investigating

but under the prison recall system

he was recalled to prison, so John

Venables is back in prison,

considered again by the parole board

as to whether or not he should

remain in prison will be released

again. Police are investigating

these images which have been found

on a computer linked to him.

The

second time he has been sent back to

prison since he was released after

what he did to James Bulger.

A bit

of history, in 1993, aged ten with

his mate Robert Thompson, they not

only killed the two-year-old boy,

James Bulger, who they had abducted

from a shopping centre but they

tortured him in the process. It was

one of the most horrendous crimes of

the 1990s. It caused shock and

outrage.

Saturn image of James

Bulger right now.

They were sent to

prison, there was a big argument

about at what point they should be

allowed to be released. Eventually

they were released and new

identities in 2001. Robert Thompson

has vanished and appears to be

sticking to the rules around his

release on licence but John Venables

come in 2010, was arrested and

pleaded guilty to possessing images

of child abuse. He was given another

prison sentence but in 2013 was

released under a second new

identity. To a certain extent, if it

is true that these images were on a

computer linked to him, he will go

through the whole process again.

Denise Fergus, the mother of James

Bulger is furious about this and

posted on Facebook Mac early this