24/11/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello.

It is Friday, welcome to the

programme.

Scenes of jubilation in Zimbabwe

today as the country

gets a new president.

Emmerson Mnangagwa will be sworn

in to lead the country three days

after Robert Mugabe was forced out

in a military take

over after 37 years.

This is the scene now in the stadium

where crowds are waiting

for the new president to take

the oath of office in about

half an hour's time.

We will be live throughout the

programme at the National Stadium in

Harare.

Theresa May is meeting the President

of the European Council,

Donald Tusk, in Brussels today.

They will discuss European Security

and the progress in the Brexit

talks.

The United Kingdom is

unconditionally committed to

continuing to play our leading role

in maintaining Europe's security. We

may be leaving the European Union

but we are not leaving Europe.

We

will have the latest from Brussels.

Oscar Pistorius has had his murder

sentence more than doubled

by a judge.

The South African athlete

was jailed last year

after being found guilty on appeal

of murdering his girlfriend, Reeva

Steenkamp, on Valentine's Day 2013.

Hello.

Welcome to the programme.

We're live until 11am this morning.

We're going to be talking to two

primary schools headteacher is about

the difficulty of the teaching jobs

with questions about whether the job

is too stressful and worries about

funding. We will also have the

latest from Zimbabwe as the new

president is sworn in.

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Our top story today..

Theresa May will meet the President

of the European Council,

Donald Tusk, in Brussels today,

the first such high-level encounter

since the Prime Minister secured

the backing of her cabinet

to increase Britain's

divorce payment.

The summit will address

the EU's relationship

with its eastern neighbours,

but discussions on the fringes

of the meeting will focus on Brexit.

She's already been challenged

on the divorce bill

as she arrived in Brussels.

Let's just hear what she had to say.

The summit here today

is about working with our Eastern

partners but of course I will be

having other meetings,

I will be seeing President Tusk

here today talking

about the positive

discussions, positive

negotiations we are having,

looking ahead to the future deep

and special partnership

that I want...

Are you putting a figure on a table?

That I want with the European Union.

These negotiations are continuing.

What I am clear about is

that we must step forward together.

This is for the UK and

the European Union to move

on to the next stage.

Adam Fleming can give us the latest.

What can you tell us?

This summit is

called the Eastern partnership

Summit and it is all about EU

leaders sitting down with leaders of

six countries to the east of the EU

are talking about security and

stability. Brexit is not officially

on the agenda or that it has reared

its head and Theresa May was saying

that even though Diedhiou -- of the

UK is leaving the EU, it is still

unconditionally committed to

security across the continent and

she will point as an example to the

£100 million the UK is preparing to

spend the next five years in that

region to counter Russian fake news,

propaganda and disinformation but

the fact is there were reminders of

the Brexit prose is all around. This

is the Irish Foreign Minister

arriving a few minutes ago, he

talked about how he wanted written

commitment from the UK about how

they planned to avoid a so-called

hard border between Northern Ireland

and the Republic of Ireland. The

Chancellor of Austria reminded

everybody that there still is to be

an agreement on how to calculate the

UK financial obligations as it

leaves and John Coyle junk up saying

that he will be having a crunch

meeting with Theresa May in Brussels

in December -- Jean Claude Junker.

The big thing we are looking forward

to is the meeting between Theresa

May and Donald Tusk who is the man

who chairs these summits and he will

be chairing the summit on the 14th

and 15th of December where EU

leaders will decide if there has

been in progress in this first phase

of Brexit talks all about divorce

related issues like money for the

talks to move on to the second phase

which is trade and a future

relationship and the possible

transition deal. I don't think that

meeting will be a massive step

forward today, it'll be a small step

in a bigger diplomatic dance that

will a couple of weeks and will

culminate next time we are all here

in Brussels in the middle of next on

you.

We can go now to the newsroom

for a summary of the rest of the

news today. Good morning.

Zimbabwe is preparing to swear

in a new President this morning

after ten days of extraordinary

drama that culminated

in the resignation of Robert Mugabe,

who'd ruled for 37 years.

Zimbabwe's army and Mr Mugabe's

party, Zanu-PF, turned on him

after he dismissed his deputy,

Emmerson Mnangagwa, the man who's

about to replace him.

Our correspondent,

Tom Burridge, reports.

CHEERING.

The reaction when Robert Mugabe

resigned shows how high expectations

are about what comes

next in Zimbabwe.

With a crumbling economy,

most people want jobs.

We have degrees but

we don't have jobs.

We are looking for jobs.

Every other day, we were sending CVs

but we don't have jobs at all.

The man who will be

inaugurated as president today

and is tasked with changing

that is Emmerson Mnangagwa,

hailed as a hero by supporters

when he returned two days ago.

Here, being sworn in

as vice-president, he was once

Mugabe's right-hand man

but when Mugabe sacked him,

the army stepped in and carried out

what was, in the end,

a peaceful and popular coup.

A crocodile...

Mnangagwa's supporters

call him 'the Crocodile'

for his political cunning.

His opponents question

whether he represents real change.

The first thing that needs to be

transformed is the culture.

The culture of violence,

the culture of corruption.

We need to change that culture.

So a new president today.

Hope that life here can improve.

But the challenge is vast

for Zimbabwe in a new political era.

Tom Burridge, BBC News.

Moving on to South Africa.

A judge in South Africa has more

than doubled the jail term

for the athlete Oscar Pistorius

who murdered his girlfriend,

Reeva Steenkamp.

The sentence has gone up from six

years to 13 years and five months.

Reeva Steenkamp's family say

the ruling has "verified

that there is justice".

The families of 44 sailors on board

an Argentine submarine that

disappeared in the South Atlantic

say they've given up hope.

The Argentine navy thinks there

was an explosion on the vessel.

Jonathan Beale reports.

It's known as the silent service

but there's been no communication

from the San Juan and her 44 crew

for more than a week.

The search had already reached

a critical phase with fears this

submarine would soon be running

out of air.

Now, more worrying news -

scientists confirm they detected

an abnormal sound in the water

near her last known location.

An Argentine navy spokesman

said it was a short,

single, violent event,

consistent with an explosion.

It's a bitter blow for relatives.

Just a few days ago,

they had been wrongly told that

there had been attempts

by the submarine to make contact.

Now they feel betrayed.

TRANSLATION:

I feel cheated.

They are swines.

TRANSLATION:

I feel cheated.

The San Juan left the southern tip

of Argentina almost two weeks ago.

She was on a 2,000-mile journey back

to Mar del Plata when she reported

an electrical failure.

The last communication

home was last Wednesday,

the same day they have identified

that sound like an explosion.

It now seems unlikely

their prayers will be answered.

For the families of the 44 crew,

hopes of a miraculous rescue have

all but disappeared.

Jonathan Beale, BBC News.

The actor Uma Thurman has broken her

silence about the disgraced

Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein

by posting something of a cryptic

message. She praised other women for

coming forward last month but said

she was too angry to comment herself

but now in a post on Instagram she

has said...

She says you don't deserve a bullet.

Harvey 12 Jameis -- Harvey Weinstein

denies engaging in nonconsensual

sexual conduct.

A key part of YouTube's system

for reporting people who leave

sexualised comments on videos

of children has not been functioning

correctly for more than a year

according to volunteer moderators

with inside knowledge of the site.

YouTube has denied any

technical failure.

There are warnings in Dublin that

a political row could force

the Irish government to call

a snap election.

The opposition Fianna Fail party,

which has been supporting

the minority Fine Gael government,

says it will table

a motion of no confidence

in the Deputy Prime Minister.

The Prime Minister,

Leo Varadkar, has vowed to stand

by Frances Fitzgerald,

even if that leads to

the collapse of the government.

Research suggests people

with schizophrenia can benefit

from a new therapy that gets them

to talk face-to-face

with a computer representation

of the voices they hear.

The study, published in the journal

Lancet Psychiatry, found

that the therapy was more effective

at reducing hallucinations

than supportive counselling.

Tom Baker has returned to the Tardis

to film part of an unfinished

Dr Who episode from 1979.

Wearing his trademark long

stripy scarf and coat,

the 83-year-old actor shot the scene

on the original set

at the BBC's Television Centre.

The episode, Shada,

wasn't made at the time

because of an engineering strike.

Definitely one for the fans to watch

out for.

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

More at 9.30am.

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Time to get some sport now and quite

a day in the first Ashes Test match

with the advantage swinging between

England and Australia and ending up

in the middle? I would agree, it was

an entertaining second day and for

much England looked to be on top but

it is still pretty much level

pegging going into what could be a

pivotal third day at the Gabba.

England might be happier but maybe

tinged with regret as to what could

have been because a half-century

from Dawid Malan was good but the

first innings did not end as England

would have hoped, losing six wickets

for 56 runs and all out in the end

for 302. But the bowlers did well,

Stuart Broad had Cameron Bancroft

out for just five and Jake Ball got

the experienced David Warner as he

threatened to get going but with

Australia struggling at 76-4,

captain Steve Smith showed how it

was done with an unbeaten

half-century and that helped

Australia to end the day on 165-4

but England still have a healthy

lead of 137 going into the third day

with the match delicately poised.

Dawid Malan impressed with the

half-century and Jake Ball was

amongst the wickets. It is always

nice to get the big wicket. We sort

of see Warner and Smith as the two

make Australian players.

For me to

get one of their big players out is

very satisfying. -- main players. We

feel we are in a decent position. If

we can come out in the morning, get

a good nights rest and come out hard

in the morning and get a couple out,

you are into the tail and that is a

good position to be in.

That is what

England will be looking for. Much

like the Australia and this morning,

they will want to take quick wickets

at if they end ahead on first things

they will be happy.

Talking about Michael Owen, he has

taken a step further than being a

racehorse owner?

He was known as a

speedster in his football days. We

will see if he is faster on a horse

because at lunchtime he will be

riding for the first and as a jockey

in a charity race at Ascot. He owns

horses and has a training stable but

has never got into the saddle

before. He will be watched by the

Prince of Wales and the Duchess of

Cornwall.

What we're dealing with

here is 550 kilos of Puel muscles

that is bred and trained to explode

into life -- up

-- pure muscle. I had to lose some

weight.

We will see if he is any

good later, it should be

interesting.

Thank you very much, we

will speak to you later.

Let's show you the jubilant scenes

in Zimbabwe this morning,

where in the next hour

or so a new president will be sworn

in after ten days of extraordinary

drama that culminated

in the resignation of Robert Mugabe,

who'd ruled for 37 years.

Zimbabwe's army and Mr Mugabe's

party, Zanu-PF, turned on him

after he dismissed his deputy,

Emmerson Mnangagwa, the man who's

about to replace him.

Lets go straight to the capital

Harare now and Ben Brown

is at the ceremony.

It is an extraordinary atmosphere

here. We are the National sports

Stadium just outside Harare, a

capacity of 60000 and it is pretty

much full. You can see huge crowds

have come here to watch the

inauguration of Emmerson Mnangagwa,

the new president of Zimbabwe, after

37 years of rule by Robert Mugabe.

This is a real moment of history. We

have said that a few times in the

last few days, the huge

demonstrations we saw on the streets

and then the dramatic resignation of

Robert Mugabe himself, and now the

inauguration of the new man,

Emmerson Mnangagwa. Will he be a

breath of fresh air? At huge change

for Zimbabwe? That is what this

whole country is hoping for. We have

heard from government sources here

that Robert Mugabe himself will not,

surprise surprise, be attending the

ceremony where his successor will be

sworn in. Let me bring in somebody

who is here to watch the

inauguration. Why did you want to

come here today?

I wanted to come

here to watch the inauguration of

the new president. This is a big day

for us, this is the new Zimbabwe and

we are expecting so much from the

new president.

But can he deliver?

Will he deliver real change?

I think

he will deliver, because he has gone

through the liberation struggle, he

has seen everything that was going

on after independence, up to this

very day. He has seen people going

jobless, companies being closed,

food shortages, money shortages. So

I'm very sure that he will be able

to deliver, because he knows what

has been going on.

What is it you

want really? Freedom and democracy,

but also economic change? Everyone I

talked to say they need jobs, 90%

unemployment here, nobody has a job.

What we are looking at is we need

jobs. The majority of Zimbabweans I

now unemployed, so we look forward

to having new jobs, new

accommodations, you name it,

Fathauer children. Let's have a

future, a better life for them.

Thank you very much indeed. Have a

good day, enjoyed.

Thank you so

much.

So, a lot of hope, and a lot

of expectation as well. But there

are questions about this man,

Emmerson Mnangagwa. He has been

nicknamed the crocodile because of

his cunning and wily ways as a

political operative. He was a pretty

ruthless henchmen in the Mugabe

years, and he has a record of some

human rights abuses allegedly,

critics say that he was implicated

in the massacres in Matabeleland in

1980s, so people will be watching

him very carefully.

We know there is a two hour time

difference, we talk about it being a

historic day. What we expect to

happen during the ceremony for the

rest of the morning?

Let me run you

through it. I'm not sure that things

are running to time, but it is

supposed to begin in 15 minutes

whether Chief Justice of Zimbabwe

will administer the oath of office

to the new president. Then we will

see the commander of the defence

forces, General Chiwenga, the man

who effectively carried out the

military takeover here, who some

would say has put Mr Mnangagwa into

power, and he will swear allegiance

to the new president, and then there

will be more celebrations, a 21 gun

salute and a fly past. And the

people here just incredibly excited,

optimistic as well.

Ben, for now,

thank you very much. We will rejoin

Ben at the inauguration ceremony in

Zimbabwe later on this morning.

Let's talk now to our guests.

In the Zimbabwean capital we have

Priscilla Misihairabwi,

who is an opposition MP.

Silvanos Mudzvova is from Zimbabwe

but now lives in Manchester.

He says he was abducted by state

agents, tortured and left for dead.

And we can also speak

to Zenzele Ndebele who is

a resident of Bulawayo.

Good morning to you all. What

happened to you, first of all?

I am

a performing arts activist, and in

September 2016 I was abducted, and

they came to my house in the middle

of the night. They knocked the door

down, and forcibly took me. They

took me about 40 kilometres outside

Harare, and then they started

torturing me, all over my body, and

they electrocute it only on my toes

and private parts, and as a result,

as a result of that, I was

hospitalised for four weeks, and

after coming out of hospital, the

whole of my left side is now

paralysed because of that.

Silvanos

whole of my left side is now

paralysed because of that.

Silvanos,

what message were you trying to get

across?

I always do plays that deal

with human rights, good governance,

accountability, so I most of the

time took them to the friend of the

Parliament of Zimbabwe so that the

MPs can actually take action about

the issues that I will be raising in

all the plays that I will be doing.

And despite what happens, your

activism is performance, isn't it?

You continue to perform?

Yes. After

coming from hospital, I started my

physiotherapy. I went again to the

Parliament and did two performances

again. I felt that it was a calling

that I had to actually use my talent

in the arts for me to convey the

messages, mostly if it is to do with

corruption. The Minister for higher

and tertiary education, Jonathan

Moyo, stole about 500,000 American

dollars. Everybody was shocked that

those grants existed, he stole the

grants, so I felt that I needed to

raise the issue. So I thought that

even despite that I am now disabled,

I cannot stop doing what I know, and

I cannot stop demanding justice.

How

hopeful are you that things will

change with a new leader? You are

here in the UK at the moment, the

inauguration is happening in

Zimbabwe right now.

Well, yes, in

terms of other sectors, yes, there

might be change. Because for most

people, Emmerson Mnangagwa is a

person of reform. In terms of

business, he could change the laws

that were created by the Mugabe

regime. Most people feel that Mugabe

was doing a personal fight, but in

terms of changing the human rights,

this was the same guy who was in

charge of the security, despite the

fact that he was actually the vice

president, but he was directly in

charge of those two ministries, and

the institutions have been violating

a lot of human rights. The

departments that are also

responsible for making sure that

people are not allowed to

demonstrate, to go in the streets to

voice their own concerns, so looking

at the electoral fraud, I don't see

anything changing just because there

is a change of face from Mugabe to

Mnangagwa. He might try to improve

on other issues, like family,

mining, but in terms of human

rights...

Can we leave it right

there for the moment, because I want

to bring in prison. When man --

when Emmerson Mnangagwa returned, he

said he wanted to bring in more

jobs.

But what is he going to do

with the human rights violations, in

terms of what happened in this

particular coup? Have any human

rights violations have taken place?

And no one is talking about it.

What

will he be able to do in his time in

power, so between now and elections

next year in September?

Fundamentally, the question is where

does power light? If power lies with

him, then the first things that one

would advise him to do, if he is

able to do, is to obviously create

the best government, but

broad-based, which can influence the

things that the last colleague is

talking about, to begin to talk

about the human rights violations,

to begin to talk about the security

sector, to begin to talk about

creating a free and fair

environment. Because clearly we

wanted Mugabe to go, but we did not

want someone was in control. So is

Mnangagwa his own person, or is he

under control of the Army? And if he

is under control of the army, we

have a real problem on our hands.

What is the mood like they're at the

moment? We can see pictures of the

inauguration ceremony taking place,

thousands of people have packed the

stadium, it is full of dignitaries

as well. Does that reflect the mood

outside?

Certainly. As you may know,

for the people of Zimbabwe, the one

person who was creating all the

problems that we had going through,

no jobs, lack of freedom, was Robert

Mugabe. We know that it is the

system, and not just Robert Mugabe,

but for the person in the street,

the removal of Mugabe is the removal

of all the problems that they went

through, and that is the expectation

that people have. And we live to see

how much of that Emmerson Mnangagwa

will be able to deliver.

Zenzele

Ndebele, let's come to you, how do

you feel about today?

I am excited

about the departure of Robert

Mugabe, but very cautious, because

as the people previously have said,

this is just the beginning of the

process. Mugabe has gone, but the

system that kept him in power was

there. Mnangagwa is there, his

election agent in 2008 when he lost

the elections and refused to go, he

is the president today, so we know

that Mnangagwa is not a saint, he is

not the Messiah, so we are not about

to make a biblical change.

Mnangagwa

was Mugabe's right-hand man and a

member of the party for decades. So

what other problems he needs to

address to significantly change the

way things are and improve the

economy, which is a big problem at

the moment?

The biggest problem for

Mnangagwa here is his legacy when it

comes to the future. He said a lot

of hate speech like calling certain

groups cockroaches. He even said

that those who follow the path of

Zanni PF will survive, but those who

follow the opposition will die very

fast. So still lots of relatives

were injured or died because of

Mnangagwa's speech. He once

legitimately in the party because he

took power by force, but the first

thing that he needs to do is to

acknowledge his role, and apologise,

and then the issue will go, even if

he is not on it? If today he doesn't

mention that in his speech, then we

will know that he is not serious

about that.

Priscilla, what does the

future hold for the 93-year-old

Robert Mugabe, who has been given

assurances?

Well, I'm sure he will

be protected, because one of the

biggest problems that Mnangagwa is

going to have is there are a lot of

people who are around him who

themselves, the things that Mugabe

was responsible for, whether it is

corruption, those people who are at

the centre of Mnangagwa's campaign

who are around him right now, they

are not the people that inspire

confidence in us. They are not the

people that have a clean past. And I

can see Robert Mugabe surviving this

and being left to go, because

anything that takes an Robert Mugabe

and his kind fundamentally means all

of those that have still survived,

because they would have to put their

issues on the table. If you are

going to get rid of everybody who is

corrupt, 90% of the people that are

still around Mnangagwa are corrupt

themselves. So I can see Robert

Mugabe surviving this pretty well.

Silvanos

Mugabe surviving this pretty well.

Silvanos, what else are you hoping

to hear in the new President's

opening speech?

I want to hear about

the changes, mostly to do with the

elections. How is he actually going

to do it? Is he going to align the

new constitution with the old one?

Will there be a lot of changes in

providing a lot of industries? And

even his own way of hindering the

creative sector in Zimbabwe, which

is one of the things which has never

been funded by the government since

1980. The last funding that was done

for the creative sector was done by

the Smith government. So that is one

of the things that I am hoping for

as an artist. At the same time, I

want to know what is he actually

going to do about employment

creation, which is very critical,

also of our country. We have an

unemployment rate of 95%, which is

really shocking. We cannot go

forward and win any election with

95% unemployment rate. But at the

same time, I am also looking and

thinking, why can he not be

inclusive in his government when he

is actually going to come in? We

need to rebuild our nation, look at

people who came out on Saturday. We

are so divided. Robert Mugabe was

dividing us on racial lines, and

tribes. That is one thing that I

expect to end. We need unity and

concentration in the country. Things

have been happening since 1982. We

need healing from that, and also

what actually happened in 2008. We

mustn't expecting to actually say,

all the people, people like me, we

should be allowed even to open

police dockets, just a police docket

for them to acknowledge that

something happened to me. We need to

know what actually happened to a

personal friend of mine who died.

Those are the critical thing is that

I am looking at, not speeches where

he is actually going to promise us

heaven on Earth, yet we know we are

still miles away. And I would be so

excited if he can make it inclusive,

and then we can have electron or is

in the next 3-5 years. It would help

us to have elections in 2018 with an

environment that has not changed.

We are hoping to come back to you

but we are going to get an update on

the news and sport.

Theresa May has again urged

the European Union to move past

the initial stage of the Brexit

negotiations and start talking

about a future trade deal.

She made the comments

as she arrived at a summit of EU

states and Eastern European partner

countries, at which she will meet

the President of the European

Council, Donald Tusk.

In the last hour, a judge

in South Africa has more

than doubled the jail term

for the athlete Oscar Pistorius

who murdered his girlfriend,

Reeva Steenkamp.

The sentence has gone up from six

years to 13 years and five months.

Reeva Steenkamp's family welcomed

the ruling and said it showed

justice could prevail in South

Africa.

The actor Uma Thurman

has broken her silence

about the disgraced Hollywood

producer Harvey Weinstein by posting

something of a cryptic

message on Instagram.

She worked with Harvey Weinstein on

several films and said she was

waiting to feel less angry before

speaking about the Hollywood sexual

harassment scandal. She now

suggested she had been the target of

unwanted sexual advances.

Harvey Weinstein denies engaging

in "non-consensual sexual conduct".

A key part of YouTube's system

for reporting people who leave

sexualised comments on videos

of children has not been functioning

correctly for more than a year

according to volunteer moderators

with inside knowledge of the site.

YouTube has denied any

technical failure.

There are warnings in Dublin that

a political row could force

the Irish government to call

a snap election.

The opposition Fianna Fail party,

which has been supporting

the minority Fine Gael government,

says it will table

a motion of no confidence

in the Deputy Prime Minister.

The Prime Minister,

Leo Varadkar, has vowed to stand

by Frances Fitzgerald,

even if that leads to

the collapse of the government.

Research suggests people

with schizophrenia can benefit

from a new therapy that gets them

to talk face-to-face

with a computer representation

of the voices they hear.

The study, published in the journal

Lancet Psychiatry, found

that the therapy was more effective

at reducing hallucinations

than supportive counselling.

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

We can go live to the inauguration

ceremony in Zimbabwe where crowds

have gathered in the stadium in the

capital, Harare, to witness the

swearing in of Emmerson Mnangagwa as

the president. The oath of office is

about to be taken. We can see the

pictures, fantastic crowds turned

out to support the new president.

Robert Mugabe is not there. He was

supposed to attend but has not

arrived with his wife, Grace. He was

supposed to be inspecting the guard

of honour but that will not happen.

The party wanted to give the

impression of a natural transfer of

power and not a military to. It is

taking place in the national sports

Stadium. It is an historic day in

the history of Zimbabwe with the

country hopeful for change and a new

beginning. Robert Mugabe has been in

power for 37 years. The former vice

president who is taking up the

presidency was dismissed earlier

this month which is why we are where

we are. He led the Zanu-PF party,

the Army intervened and forced Mr

Mugabe to quit, reluctantly and we

can now listen into what is

happening.

These are the pictures live from the

National Stadium in Harare and we

are expecting the swearing in to

happen any moment now.

May I now have the privilege and

honour to invite the incoming

president, comrades Emmerson

Mnangagwa, to proceed to take the

oath of office of the president.

CHEERING

Your Excellencies, invited guests,

distinguished invited guests from

your Excellencies, please take your

seats.

In terms of section 96, subsection

one of the Constitution, the former

president of the republic of

Zimbabwe, by written notice has

notified the speaker of parliament

of his resignation from office of

the President. And whereas in terms

of paragraph 14, subparagraph 4 B of

the sixth schedule of the

Constitution, a vacancy in the

office of the President must be

filled by a nominee of the political

party which is a former president

representative. And whereas in terms

of paragraph 14, subparagraph five

of the sixth schedule, the ruling

party, Zanu-PF, has nominated

Emmerson Dambudzo Mnangagwa...

CHEERING

As the candidate, as the party's

candidate to assume the office of

the President. And whereas in terms

of section 94 of the Constitution,

the President must take before the

Chief Justice the oath of president

in the form set out in the third

schedule. Now therefore I, chief

justice of the Republic of Zimbabwe,

do hereby call upon you, Emmerson

Dambudzo Mnangagwa, to take the oath

of president.

CHEERING

I, Emmerson Dambudzo Mnangagwa,

swear that, as a resident of the

Republic of Zimbabwe, I will be

faithful...

CHEERING

To Zimbabwe and obey, uphold and

defend the Constitution and all

other laws of Zimbabwe. And that I

will promote whatever will advance

and oppose whatever may harm

Zimbabwe. That I will protect and

promote the rights of the people of

Zimbabwe.

CHEERING

That I will discharge my duties with

all my strength to the best of my

knowledge and ability and hold true

to the dictates to Mike conscience

and I devote myself to the

well-being of Zimbabwe and its

people. So help me God!

CHEERING

CHEERING

Thank you.

Thank you.

Congratulations. I'm happy for you.

We have just witnessed an historic

moment in Zimbabwe's history, the

new president, Emmerson Mnangagwa,

being sworn in as president.

Zimbabwe has just seen the swearing

into office his excellency the new

president of Zimbabwe, Emmerson

Mnangagwa.

CHEERING

STUDIO: The new president, Emmerson

Mnangagwa, being presented with the

new medal of office, the official

signing in ceremony has just taken

place. An oath of office, the

signing in ceremony, the dawning of

a sash and a pledge of allegiance by

military commanders, a historic day

for Zimbabwe. I'm still joined by

our guests, two in Zimbabwe and one

in Manchester. Let's go to Priscilla

first of all, an opposition MP. What

is your response to what you have

just witnessed?

Historic, very

emotional. For many years, for two

decades, I have waited to see the

moment in watch Robert Mugabe is no

longer the president of this

country. But of course I would not

have wanted to witness the coming in

of another Zanu-PF person. But now,

will just cherish that Zimbabwe has

finally been able to see, for me to

see in my lifetime, a change of

president. I had almost given up

that I would ever be able to witness

this.

Silvanos

that I would ever be able to witness

this.

Silvanos, how does it feel to

be watching that from Manchester, a

significant piece of history in your

home country?

I don't know whether

to cry to smile, or to a celebrate,

I have only known one president,

most people my age know about four.

This is not what we expected. I

expected to see someone fresh,

someone new, someone from the

opposition, but it is history. We

are all tired of saying that Mugabe

must go. This is great news to me. I

knew since he resigned that it was

going to be Friday, but the

expectation was high. When you are

living in a country,, this is

historic.

Zenzele

living in a country,, this is

historic.

Zenzele, the message

sounded hopeful and we heard him say

that he was devoting himself to the

well-being of Zimbabwe. How do you

feel about it?

Now I have to be

careful, because I can be charged

with undermining the authority of

the president because he is

president now. I am happy that

Mugabe is going, I might never see

justice for my relatives that were

killed during Gukurahundi. He has

been accused of a lot of corruption

and he needs to come clean. Why do

people say his speeches promising, I

was worried that he was still using

the hit rate that he has, he sounded

vengeful, and he used the slogans

that were talking about people they

needed to keep ruling, which was on

presidential for someone who is

trying to have a fresh start. So I

think mixed feelings. I am waiting

to hear him put down his plan on

what he is going to do, and maybe I

will start believing in it. Mugabe

is might still be with us.

Thank you

very much indeed. We are looking at

pictures now of the signing in

ceremony which has just taken place,

an oath of office, the sash and

medal of honour have been presented

as well. Thank you to our guests

joining us live from Zimbabwe and

Manchester. We will bring you more

on that story a little bit later.

The speech will be happening, the

new president's first speech will be

happening at around 1015, and we

will bring you up to speed with that

as well. Moving on to our next story

this morning.

Schools are struggling with a "leaky

pipeline" of teachers,

with not enough joining

the profession and too many leaving,

headteachers are warning.

More than three fifths

of school leaders polled

by the National Association

of Headteachers said vacancies

were only filled with a struggle.

While 18% said they had

failed to recruit.

The findings paint a stark picture

of our school system,

which detractors claim is filled

with high stress, endless targets,

and a lack of cash.

The Government insists

it is taking steps to address

recruitment challenges.

So where does the truth lie?

Let's talk now to Paul Harris,

the headteacher of Curwen

Primary School in London.

Joyce Obaseki, a former

teacher in Essex.

Lynn Knapp, the headteacher of the

Windmill Primary School in Oxford.

And from Manchester,

Labour's Shadow Education

Secretary, MP Mike Kane.

Paul, good morning. Thank you for

joining us. Let's come to you first

of all. You are a headteacher

looking after a number of schools.

Why is this such a big problem?

I

think there are a range of issues

that are highlighted in the actual

report. It ranges from funding to

the paver staff, to the overworked

that is expected of them. And it is

a combination of all these factors

that is causing problems in the

retention, the recruitment of staff

but also the retention across all

the schools. I work with a group of

schools, and they are struggling to

retain and recruit staff of a high

enough quality, and I think there

are a number of reasons for that. I

think pay is an issue, particularly

in areas like London, I have

teachers who I living to three hours

away and having to travel long

distances to get to work because

they just cannot afford to live or

rent in areas around the schools, so

pay is a problem, it hasn't gone a

prolonged time, but I think there

are a number of other factors that

are part of that, and there is a

range of things that we need to

consider.

Joyce, how big a problem

is this in your opinion?

I think it

is a huge problem, I have thought

that the 16 years, and in that time,

you have a number of things that

goes on. You have too many targets,

and of course you have the workload

that you have to take home, so even

in your sleep you are thinking about

the work, so the brain never shuts

down, you are constantly stressed.

If I ruled the world, I would make

teaching the number one, most

important job in the world, but

unfortunately, but unfortunately,

the society and government don't see

that, and they overworked teachers

and stress them. Teachers are only

human, and if you don't have a life

outside your work, you are likely

going to one day wake up and say, no

more. So the targets are

unrealistic, the workload is too

much, the behaviour in schools

sometimes is terrible, some kids,

some schools don't have the policy

in place to tackle the behaviour,

and it gets too much sometimes the

teachers to handle.

So culturally

there is a problem as well? Do you

think this is not just about pay, it

is also about teacher bashing

constantly?

Constantly, it is

endless. In some schools, you get

the observations, but it is almost

like constantly having a reason to

control what you can do and what you

cannot do. So they are taking the

joy of actually teaching away from

teachers, and giving you things that

you need to do, and if you look at

it, it is not as effective as it

needs to be. When I started teaching

16 years ago, it is totally

different as it is now. So yes, you

can't just do what you're supposed

to do, which is very sad.

Mike Kane,

Shadow a Education Secretary, what

would you do?

This is a government

created crisis. The government for

five years has missed its target is

to get teacher training in our

country. If teachers miss their

targets like that, they would be put

on competency measures. The first

thing Paul said, pay. They have not

had a pay rise for seven years now,

in fact teachers are £15,000 worse

off because of the way their wages

have fallen behind, and that is what

is making the profession, which is

the number one job in the world, as

a former teacher myself, so

unattractive at the moment for new

recruits.

But it is not just

teachers. Because of austerity, lots

of people across public services and

emergency services also haven't had

a pay rise. Justine Greening is said

to be in favour of lifting that 1%

cap.

She may be in favour of it, but

there was no new budget in the -- no

new money in the budget this week to

lift that pay cap, and if you add to

the fact that this Government has

taken £2.8 billion out of the school

system, the only way schools can

cope is by spending £1.3 billion on

supply teachers to cover the gaps.

But it isn't just about money, there

are external factors, lack of

worklife balance, stress, high

workload and a cultural problem with

the perception of teachers.

Yes, the

Government has literally since 2010

smash the traditional system of

schools by introducing multi-academy

trusts, free schools, new targets,

new curriculum, and Ofsted putting

places in huge stress on schools,

and this is led to work stress being

overbearing for too many people, so

since 2011, one third of teachers

started training since then have

already left the profession. This is

unsustainable. We are also facing a

demographic time bomb, because we

have 3 million pupils coming online

in our country as the primary surge

goes through to secondary, and we

have nowhere near enough teachers

coming forward to plug that gap.

Lyn, why did use trouble to recruit

teachers?

For many of the reasons

that you have already commented on.

It is accommodation of factors. We

live in Oxford, where house prices

are hugely high, and we don't even

get the London weighting for

teachers, so there is definitely

that aspect of can you afford to

live in Oxford, can you afford to go

to university and then stay in the

area, and many teachers do move away

for that reason, they move to other

parts of the country. Some of my

staff have done that in order to

have a family and a home. So there

is that factor, and I would agree

entirely with pressures of work, and

one of my teacher said to me this

morning, our best is never enough.

And that is true, the bar keeps

getting lifted. Change is happening

all the time which teachers are just

expected to take on board with a

huge amount of accountability, and

it does impact on the quality of

their life and the way in which they

are able to manage their families

and their lifestyle, and I think we

need to be really consistent with

all of that. Plus there is pay and

then looking at how we can increase

the number of people coming into the

profession by making it more

attractive. I know in the past we

couldn't find a year five teacher

last year because there simply were

not enough teachers coming through

the system.

Can you respond to this

tweet we have just had from AJ who

says, headteachers management style

and demands on staff has to be taken

into account with teacher retention.

It is the headteachers that set

workload levels, not the government

or Ofsted.

It is a balance. We are

under huge pressure from the

government, and I agree that the

headteacher, I have that responsible

at you to my teachers to get a

worklife balance, and we do have a

very low turnover of staff, I have

lost three teachers in two years in

a school of 21 classes, which is a

good percentage. Most people move

because they want to go to divide,

Canada, Hampshire. So I believe our

school functions with the lowest

bureaucracy level we can in order to

meet the targets the government are

setting. So yes is headteachers we

have that power to create a system

in our schools which supports our

teachers, and I wholeheartedly

support that, that really matters to

be hugely.

Thank you very much. I am

just going to bring in some comments

from people who are watching, which

is imported. Dave on Facebook says

teachers are leaving because the

kids are badly behaved, no respect

or manners. It should be part of the

curriculum. Alex says, teachers are

leaving with guilt over the

politically incorrect indoctrination

they are forcing on their pupils. --

politically correct indoctrination.

They wonder if the education system

itself is to blame. Thank you for

all your messages. A Department for

Education spokesman told us there

are now a record number of teachers

in our schools, 15,000 more than in

2010, and overall, the number of new

teachers entering our classrooms out

numbers those who decide to retire

or leave. We recognise however that

there are challenges facing schools,

and we are taking significant steps

to address them. That's why we

continue to invest significant sums

in teacher recruitment, with £1.3

billion up to 2020 being invested in

teacher bursaries to attract the

best and brightest into the

profession. Time now to get the

latest weather update.

new president, Emmerson Mnangagwa,

being sworn in as president.

We might be getting into the final

weekend of autumn but it is all

about winter as things have turned

colder and the icy wind screen will

be part of the story with frosty

mornings and some smoke. Highland

Scotland has seen some so far and

there will be more wintry showers

this weekend but not for all of us

and although it is cold, many of us

will stay dry and have some pleasant

sunshine. Going through today into

tonight, showers in Scotland and

Northern Ireland, some will reach

northern England and Wales, single

figure temperatures. Light winds,

showers moving south-east overnight

and a mix of rain and sleet and snow

and hail and strengthening wind.

Widespread frost on Saturday, lower

temperatures in rural spot and the

weekend will have an Arctic flow of

air across the country with high

pressure to the west and low

pressure to the north and a stronger

wind. That will add an extra chill.

The show was running into Scotland,

Northern Ireland, north-west England

and Wales will have sleet and snow

and there could be made on the

coastline, some pushing into the

Midlands and some in the far

south-west. But a lot of sunshine in

southern and eastern parts, many of

us with crisp blue skies. The wind

will make the temperatures feel

lower, closer to freezing for many.

I know a lot of people are fans of

this sunny crisp weather rather than

McGee and damp. On Sunday, most of

us will be bright -- muddy.

On Monday, less chilly, but the rest

of the week it will be cold again.

Enjoy your weekend.

Zimbabwe has a new president.

In the last ten minutes,

Emmerson Mnangagwa has been

sworn in before thousands

of ecstatic supporters.

I, Emmerson Dambudzo Mnangagwa,

swear that, as president of the

republic of Zimbabwe, I will be

faithful.

Convicted murderer and athlete

Oscar Pistorius has his jail term

for killing his girlfriend doubled

by a South African judge.

His father says he's heartbroken.

And, donning his scarf again

for the first time in 36 years,

Tom Brake comes back in real life at

the age of 83 to play the Time --

Tom Baker.

Good morning.

I do have a Dalek in the studio

because we are going to be talking

about Doctor Who later.

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news.

Good morning. Emmerson Mnangagwa has

been sworn in as the new president

of Zimbabwe in Harare. Tens of

thousands of people gathered to

witness the inauguration which comes

after ten days of extraordinary

drama which culminated in the

resignation of Robert Mugabe who had

ruled for 37 years. I, Emmerson

Dambudzo Mnangagwa, swear that, as

president of the Republic of

Zimbabwe, I will be faithful...

CHEERING

To Zimbabwe and obey, uphold and

defend the Constitution and all

other laws of Zimbabwe. The new

president of Zimbabwe.

Theresa May has again urged

the European Union to move past

the initial stage of the Brexit

negotiations and start talking

about a future trade deal.

She made the comments as she arrived

at a summit of EU states

and Eastern European partner

countries, at which she

will meet the President

of the European Council,

Donald Tusk.

A judge in South Africa has more

than doubled the jail term

for the athlete Oscar Pistorius

who murdered his girlfriend,

Reeva Steenkamp.

The sentence has gone up from six

years to 13 years and five months.

Reeva Steenkamp's family welcomed

the ruling and said it showed

justice could prevail in South

Africa.

The actor Uma Thurman

has broken her silence

about the disgraced Hollywood

producer Harvey Weinstein by hitting

out at him on Instagram.

The actor, who worked

with Weinstein on several films

including Kill Bill

and Pulp Fiction, had

said she was waiting

to feel less angry before

speaking about the Hollywood

sexual harassment scandal.

Now in an Instagram post she used

the hashtag metoo which suggests

she had been a target

of unwanted sexual advances.

She added, "I'm glad

it's going slowly -

you don't deserve a bullet

- stay tuned.

Harvey Weinstein denies engaging

in "non-consensual sexual conduct".

A key part of YouTube's system

for reporting people who leave

sexualised comments on videos

of children has not been functioning

correctly for more than a year

according to volunteer moderators

with inside knowledge of the site.

YouTube has denied any

technical failure.

There are warnings in Dublin that

a political row could force

the Irish government to call

a snap election.

The opposition Fianna Fail party,

which has been supporting

the minority Fine Gael government,

says it will table

a motion of no confidence

in the Deputy Prime Minister.

The Prime Minister,

Leo Varadkar, has vowed to stand

by Frances Fitzgerald,

even if that leads to

the collapse of the government.

Research suggests people

with schizophrenia can benefit

from a new therapy that gets them

to talk face-to-face

with a computer representation

of the voices they hear.

The study, published

in the journal Lancet Psychiatry,

found that the therapy was more

effective at reducing hallucinations

than supportive counselling.

Tom Baker has returned to the Tardis

to film part of an unfinished

Dr Who episode from 1979.

Wearing his trademark long

stripy scarf and coat,

the 83-year-old actor shot the scene

on the original set

at the BBC's Television Centre.

The episode, Shada,

wasn't made at the time

because of an engineering strike.

We can speak now to Daniel Hill.

He's one of the leading actors

who recreated his part in the lost

episode alongside Tom Baker.

You're there with your wife Olivia

and you met on the set of Dr Who.

A fantastic story, lovely to have

you with us, tell us what it was

like to go back and film the rest of

this episode. Did you imagine that

would happen?

Never, not for a

million years. The technology needed

to do it was extraordinary but

everybody who worked on the show had

such a great time and it was one of

those moments in your career where

you just wanted completion. When

they rang up and asked if we could

do it, like a shot! I would have

done it for nothing but don't tell

them that!

You can only imagine the

excitement of the legions of Doctor

Who fans so when can they see it?

I

think it will be on DVD on the 4th

of December but they can download it

right now.

And what was it like

picking up the story with Tom Baker,

for decades later?

Just like

stepping straight back into the

studio. The great thing about Tom,

he is such a welcoming, great big

personality and he sort of wraps you

up and you get carried along and he

is a fantastic bloke and I love him

dearly.

Tell us about your part.

My

part is Chris Parsons who is a

postgraduate at Cambridge who is

doing something about physics and

chemistry and he gets dragged along

on this epic journey in the Tardis

and also another Tardis that belongs

to another Time Lord. He is the

guests assistant to what was six

episodes then. It was a really big

deal at the time and I was sad when

it did not happen but now it is

brilliant.

And Olivia, you were

working on the production, how does

it feel that this has been completed

all these years later?

It's

absolutely wonderful, it was my

first show as a production assistant

in television so it was a huge

honour to be on Doctor Who. And we

were absolutely heartbroken when we

had to stop. The studio doors were

locked so we did all of the outside

sequences and the first studio setup

but we went in to do the second, we

had two more to do, and the studios

were locked with chains on the

doors. It was really upsetting. I

think for a long time we thought it

would be remounted, but it was Tom's

last series and Peter took over. We

had a change of producer as well. It

was never remounted at the time

sadly.

But now it has been. Daniel

and Olivia, thank you for talking to

us.

Thank you so much.

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

Back to you. Thank you.

Emmerson Mnangagwa has been

inaugurated as the new

President of Zimbabwe.

Coming up very soon, probably within

the next 15 minutes, the new

president will be making his first

speech and we will be able to join

that opening speech. It has been 37

years since the country has had a

new president and we will be joining

that later in the programme but

first let's get some sport.

Good

morning. The first Ashes Test at the

Gabba is finely poised after an

entertaining second Dave between

England and Australia with England

leading by 137 runs. It could have

been better had it not been for a

patient half-century from Australian

captain Steve Smith. And the Swiss

was watching.

What an enthralling

day we have at the Gabba with the

pendulum swinging to and fro but

ending with honours pretty much

even. England began the day in a

decent position and batted well for

an hour and a half, Dawid Malan

reaching a half-century, but it all

went wrong and they lost their last

six wickets for just 56 runs in

barely an hour. 302 all out at

lunch. Australia seemed very much in

the ascendancy but the England

bowlers help them fight back with

Stuart Broad taking the first wicket

of Cameron Bancroft on debut and

Australia subsided to 76-4 at one

stage. But then a recovery thanks to

Captain Steve Smith and Shaun Marsh

who guided them through to 165-4 at

the close. Another day of

fluctuating fortunes but the match

is intriguingly poised going into

the third day.

It's always nice to

get a big wicket. We sort of see

Warner and Smith as the two main

Australian players so for me to get

one of the big players is very

satisfying. I think a few of the

lads in the team were happy to see

the back of him. We feel we are in a

decent position and if we can come

out in the morning get some rest and

come out hot in the morning and get

a couple about and you are into

detail, that is a good position to

be in.

In football there was another

bad result for managerless Everton

who were thrashed 5-1 at home by

Atalanta in the Europa League. They

were already out of the competition

but in front of a half empty

Goodison Park they finished bottom

of their group, not a great entry on

their CV for caretaker boss David

Unsworth who still wants job

permanently. Arsene Wenger said it

was job done after Arsenal won their

Europa League group despite losing

in Cologne. A second penalty won it

for the home team but results are to

add Arsenal finished top of the

group. England will play in the

bronze medal match of the hockey

world league final after losing to

New Zealand in their semifinal. It

was a frantic game with England

creating the better chances. They

had a goal disallowed while Sophie

Bray the crossbar but Olivia Merry

's Mike corner five minutes from the

end was enough to give New Zealand

victory and England will play either

the Netherlands or South Korea on

Sunday. That is all the sport, back

with more later.

Thank you very

much.

Emmerson Mnangagwa has just

been sworn in as the new

president of Zimbabwe.

He formally took up office

in a ceremony in the national

sports stadium in Harare,

in front of tens of

thousands of people.

Let's watch that moment again.

I, Emmerson Dambudzo Mnangagwa,

swear that, as president of the

Republic of Zimbabwe, I will be

faithful...

CHEERING

To Zimbabwe and obey, uphold and

defend the Constitution and all

other laws of Zimbabwe. And that I

will promote whatever will advance

and oppose whatever may harm

Zimbabwe. That I will protect and

promote the rights of the people of

Zimbabwe.

CHEERING

That I will discharge my duties with

all my strength to the best of my

knowledge and ability and true to

the dictates of my conscience and

that I will devote myself to the

well-being of Zimbabwe and its

people. So help me God.

CHEERING

Let's talk now to Professor Stephen

Chan who specialises

in the International politics

of Southern Africa at the SOAS

University of London.

Dr Judith Tyson, a Research Fellow

at the Overseas Development

Institute and an expert on how

the long-term economic crisis

has driven the current

political crisis in Zimbabwe.

And to Martin Fletcher,

who is a former foreign

correspondent and foreign editor

of The Times, and is one

of the first western journalists

to have interviewed with Emmerson

Mnangagwa.

A historic moment in Zimbabwe's

history. I'd like to get your

response to the swearing in

ceremony, what we have seen this

morning on the response in the

stadium.

I think it shows he is

going to have a honeymoon. This is a

very popular move, not so much for

him but for the sake of Robert

Mugabe disappearing from the

political scene. So the new

president Mnangagwa has got to very

much capitalise on his honeymoon

period and start delivering. He has

very difficult entrenched problems

that he faces.

Mugabe has

disappeared from the ceremony, that

is for sure. I think they wanted him

there, but unsurprisingly he wasn't,

and neither was his wife, Grace.

What kind of leader do you think the

new president Mnangagwa will be?

He

will be a lot more pragmatic, and I

think he will try to craft a more

technical article bridge to the

problems of particularly the

economy. -- technocrat approach to

the problems. I think he wants to

get back on some economic

trajectory.

There was a message of

hope for the country's welfare, but

having been Mugabe's right-hand man

for so long, and after decades in

the same party, can he reinvent

himself?

I think it is very

interesting issue, because as you

say, he has had a long history of

being closely aligned to the Mugabe

policies, but there is a window of

opportunity for reform, and the

question is, does he see it? We have

had pressure from within Zanu-PF

itself in the last 18 months that

economic reform, particularly under

for example the Minister for finance

who was also fired last month by

Mugabe partly because he was pushing

to reforms, and I think if he

aligned himself with that faction

within Zanu-PF, we should be

optimistic, but I think the big

issue was also that there are deep

structural problems in the economy

and no quick fix that can be applied

to them.

We are talking about

Zimbabwe, it has been the focus of

our news here, and globally, because

of Mugabe. And him then going on to

resign. But what has led to

deep-rooted economic problems. Why

have they got to the state that they

are in the people who don't know, in

terms of the economy?

I think what

you have is a moment of meltdown

starting in the year 2000 is and the

nationalisation of the farms. The

pre-empt the aunt planned way in

which it was carried out destroyed

and agricultural sector.

What

happened in that year?

The farms

were seized by party thugs and war

veterans.

Whose farms?

The white

owned farms. Because they were agri-

industry lead based, they earned

export receipts for the country that

underpinned the economy. The farms

never really recovered that kind of

scientifically -based agricultural

capacity. We are looking now at a

country without productivity or

export earnings.

Unemployment is at

an all-time high in Zimbabwe, but at

the same time, it is a highly

literate country, literacy is in its

90s, something like 95%?

Unemployment is probably well into

the 90s, but as you say, literacy

rates are amongst the highest in

Africa, so in terms of the education

of the population, would also of the

business community, it is strong,

and we have 4 million Szyba boy and

is currently living in South Africa

who are business orientated, -- 4

million Zimbabwe citizens currently

living in South Africa. But there

has also been a degeneration in

physical culpability in the country,

infrastructure is in a terrible

state, electricity in short supply,

the roads are shocking condition,

and within manufacturing firms and

agricultural processes, the

machinery has become obsolete, so

there is a need for significant

injections of capital if the economy

is to recover.

And where do they get

that capital from?

That is the great

question, because the government is

bankrupt and has been refused money

from the IMF because they are in

arrears, they owe $9 billion to

various external parties, and I

think that is both their biggest

problem at the moment because they

are desperate to cash, but also

where the international community

can both help or hinder the process

of reform.

And what is in it for the

international community?

We need to

stabilise Zimbabwe from humanitarian

perspective. Poverty levels are

shocking. We see a quarter of

children are stunted because they

haven't received a nutrition, a

third of the population receive food

aid. But we also need to have a

stable state in southern Africa, the

last thing we need is an out spring

event where we CD stabilised states.

Let's bring in Martin at this point.

Good morning to you. You were one of

the first Western journalists to

interview Emmerson Mnangagwa, what

was he like?

I interviewed him this

time last year. He was courteous, he

is not a garrulous man, he doesn't

smile a lot. He is quite an

intimidating figure to interview

given his past record, but he was

courteous to me because I think he

wanted to get a message out that he

would be different. He talked about

the need for foreign investment in

Zimbabwe, about the need to be build

the economy, about the need to bring

back the brightest and the best who

fled during the Mugabe era. You

know, he wanted to make the point

that he would try and rebuild the

economy as quickly as he can.

Did

you get a sense... ?

The key

sentence that he used to me was that

capital goes where the weather is

warm and welcoming, and when it is

cold, you go elsewhere, it goes

elsewhere. Those are words Mugabe

would never have used. He also said

his economic model was China, which

is an authoritarian government,

regime, that has nonetheless

delivered for its people at

economically, and I think that is

the direction he will take.

And

China is Zimbabwe's biggest exporter

at the moment. When you did that

interview, you didn't have a Visa.

Were you worried about your personal

safety at any point?

Yes, it was

actually on my very last day, I had

been in Zimbabwe for two or three

weeks, and I had been trying for

this interview with Mnangagwa more

in hope than expectation, walked

into his office that final morning,

and the first thing his aide said

was, you do have a journalist Visa,

don't you? And I had to admit that I

didn't, and I was aware that a lot

of my fellow journalist had

previously been locked up for

working in Zimbabwe without

authorisation, and at that moment,

he summoned me in, I did the

interview and then I drove straight

to the airport and was very relieved

when my plane took off three or four

hours later.

Correct me if I'm