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07/12/2017

Models speak to Victoria about sexual harassment and exploitation in the fashion industry. Plus the fallout from president Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital.


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Hello, it's 9am, I'm

Victoria Derbyshire.

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Welcome to the programme.

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Donald Trump has changed

the direction of 70 years

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of American foreign policy

by recognising Jerusalem

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as the capital of Israel.

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World leaders continue

to condemn his decision ahead

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of an emergency meeting

of the United Nations

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It is time to officially recognise

Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

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Also today, models speak

exclusively to us about sexual

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harassment and exploitation

in the multi-billion

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pound fashion industry.

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Our report in 15 minutes.

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If you work in the fashion

industry, tell us your own

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experiences this morning.

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Will there be a fresh Brexit offer

on the Irish border in the next 24

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hours from Prime Minister Theresa

May?

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We will talk to the headteacher, a

farmer and health campaigner who

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crossed the open border between

North and South each to see how they

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feel about changes that could affect

every aspect of their lives.

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Hello.

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Welcome to the programme,

we're live until 11am this morning.

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We are going to hear

Resham Khan's story.

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That's after 10am.

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She had acid thrown in her face

by a stranger and suffered

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life-changing injuries and has gone

on to campaign for a change

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in the law on selling acid.

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Quite a remarkable woman. That is a

photograph taken much more recently.

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Do watch the interview after 10am.

She describes how she pities her

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attacker. Also today... We would

like to hear from you about how long

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you have waited in the A&E. New

figures suggesting waiting times

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have doubled in the last few years.

We will talk about that after

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9:30am.

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Our top story today.

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Mahmoud Abbas has called for an

intifada. The US decision has been

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wildly criticised around the world,

including by some of America's

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closest allies, like Britain, France

and Saudi Arabia. The UN Security

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Council will hold an emergency

meeting tomorrow to debate the move.

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Laura Bicker reports.

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Jerusalem, the city 6000 miles from

the US, the subject of a campaign

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promise by Donald Trump to move the

US embassy from Tel Aviv to

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Jerusalem and recognise the holy

city as Israel's capital.

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Trump's team sent out

a simple message,

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"Promise made, promise kept."

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Today we finally

acknowledge the obvious,

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that Jerusalem is Israel's capital.

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This is nothing more or less than

a recognition of reality.

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It is also the right thing to do.

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Already the protests have

begun, peaceful, for

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now, but the fear of unrest has

prompted the Pentagon to put

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American embassies and

consulatess on alert.

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President Trump spoke of the peace

process but did not give details

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on how this announcement brought

that goal any closer.

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We want an agreement that is a great

deal for the Israelis, and a great

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deal for the Palestinians.

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At least eight UN countries have

called for an emergency meeting but

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while the international reaction is

mostly one of condemnation, at home,

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President Trump can say he has

ticked off another pledge and he

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does not seem concerned that on this

decision America stands alone.

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Our correspondent told us how the

decision was being received in the

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city itself.

So far, things have

remained calm on the streets of

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Jerusalem. There were protests into

the evening yesterday in Gaza where

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people were burning American flags

and pictures of Donald Trump. In the

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occupied West Bank, there are

demonstrations, rallies, planned for

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today. More broadly, in terms of the

diplomatic reaction to Donald

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Trump's decision to recognise

Jerusalem as the capital of Israel,

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there has been widespread

condemnation, particularly from

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leaders in the Arab and Muslim

world. The Palestinian President

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Mahmoud Abbas called the decision

reprehensible and he said this in

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effect disqualifies the US from its

historic role as being a broker for

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peace. Between Israelis and

Palestinians. The list has been

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growing as to the number of

countries, leaders, who have

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expressed concern, criticism or

outright condemnation of this

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decision by the White House. In

terms of the Israelis, the Israeli

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Prime Minister, Netanyahu, last

night, he hailed this as a historic

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decision, he said it was recognition

deserved of Israelis to have

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Jerusalem as their capital city. He

said other countries should move

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there embassies from Tel Aviv to

Jerusalem, to follow the suit of the

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US. He was at pains to stress that

he said there would be no change

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whatsoever in what is known as the

status quo, the arrangement to

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administer the key sensitive holy

sites in the old city of Jerusalem.

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Later on, we will hear from our

Middle East editor, Jeremy Bowen.

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The rest of this morning's news.

Good morning.

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The Irish Prime Minister,

Leo Varadkar, has said Theresa May

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is expected to put forward

a new offer on the issue

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of the Irish border later today.

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A draft agreement between Mrs May

and the European Union,

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which would have allowed the Brexit

negotiations to move on to trade,

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was blocked on Monday

by the Democratic Unionists.

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19 Tory MPs who back a soft Brexit

have written to Mrs May,

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saying it was highly irresponsible

for anyone to dictate terms

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which may scupper a deal.

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The Defence Secretary,

Gavin Williamson, has said no

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British citizen who has fought

for the Islamic State group should

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be allowed back into the country.

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Mr Williamson, who was promoted

to his post last month, told

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the Daily Mail that the fighters

should be hunted down and killed,

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because "a dead terrorist couldn't

cause any harm to Britain".

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The number of patients waiting more

than four hours in accident

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and emergency departments in the UK

has more than doubled

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in the last four years.

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Research by the BBC has found over

3 million people experienced longer

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waits than the A&E target

in the last 12 months.

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Here is our health correspondent,

Dominic Hughes.

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Right across the UK,

accident and emergency departments

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have been working at full capacity.

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Now BBC analysis shows how

an already busy system

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is struggling to cope.

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The waiting time targets to treat

or deal with 95% of patients

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within four hours have been missed

across the country.

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In the past year, more

than 3 million patients waited

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longer than four hours -

an increase of 120%

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on four years ago.

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But visits to A&E are up by only 7%,

to nearly 27 million.

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To ensure the target is met,

the NHS will need to build

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an additional 20 more

A&E departments.

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There is no more

capacity in the system.

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Staff are working really hard,

our nurses, our doctors,

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and we have reached a point

where we, unfortunately,

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cannot meet that demand.

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Scotland has come closest

to hitting the target,

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while England has seen the biggest

increase in those facing a long

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wait, but performance

is even worse in Wales.

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Northern Ireland manages

to see just three quarters

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of patients within four hours.

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A busier NHS means longer waiting

times and as we head

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into what could be a very hard

winter, there is little sign

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of respite for staff or patients.

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Dominic Hughes, BBC News.

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The accounts of Bath Spa University

show that its departing

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vice-chancellor, Professor Christina

Slade, received more than £800,000

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last year in pay and benefits.

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Ten days ago, the vice-chancellor

of Bath University announced

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she would step down in 2019

after complaints from students

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and staff about her pay.

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The university and College union

said the pay and pensions of some

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senior staff made them look greedy

and out of touch.

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A fast-moving wildfire in southern

California has hit the US state's

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main costal highway and reached

the Pacific Ocean according

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to firefighters tackling the blaze.

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The homes of more than 150,000

people have been evacuated

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in an area north of Los Angeles

and hundreds of buildings

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have been damaged.

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Strong winds are expected to further

hinder efforts to contain the fire

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which is still endangering

some 12,000 properties.

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The Australian parliament

has passed a bill to

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legalise same-sex marriage.

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The bill was passed after a long

debate in which more

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than 100 MPs spoke.

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The vote follows a referendum

earlier this year, which showed

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a majority of people support

the change.

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Our Sydney correspondent said it

marked the end of years of political

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wrangling.

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This really is a landmark moment

in Australian politics,

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the culmination really of more

than a decade of

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debate and division.

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This has been probably the most

divisive issue in Australian

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politics for a long time,

ever since in 2004 the Australian

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government changed the law then

to say that marriage could only be

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between a man and a woman,

to the exclusion of all others.

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That triggered a long campaign

which has finally finished today

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with the change in law.

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We saw jubilation on the floor

of the House of Representatives,

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a rainbow flag unfurled,

lots of cheering, the politicians

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applauding campaigners in the public

gallery who applauded them back.

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Also a victory for Australia's Prime

Minister, Malcolm Turnbull, who took

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something of a personal gamble

by supporting this change.

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Certainly, people within his party

have been resistant,

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not least his predecessor,

Tony Abbott, who spoke

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several times today,

trying to raise amendments and make

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changes to the bill.

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But ultimately, no changes were made

and same-sex marriage we expect

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will be legal in Australia

within the New Year.

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Anyone who wants to get married

will actually have to book a wedding

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one month in advance,

so we think early January

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will be the first time

we see the weddings.

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Certainly, I know lots of couples

already sending out invites hoping

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they can make their relationship

legal in the eyes of Australian law.

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A feathered dinosaur,

resembling a swan, has been

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discovered by scientists.

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The creature had scythe-like

claws, a reptilian tail

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and a beak lined with teeth.

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It's thought to have lived

75 million years ago,

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and was a therapod -

like Tyrannosaurus Rex.

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It may have been the first dinosaur

to adopt the lifestyle

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of a modern-day water bird.

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The UK's next City of Culture

will be named later today as Hull's

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year-long celebration

in the spotlight nears an end.

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Coventry, Paisley, Stoke-on-Trent,

Sunderland and Swansea are in

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the running for the 2021 title.

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That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 9.30.

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This e-mail from Stuart, your

experiences of how long you had

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waited in A&E, we took our elderly

mother-in-law A&E evening after

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having called 111. She had acute

back pain, she spent approximately

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21 hours on the ward, eight hours of

which was sitting on a hard plastic

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chair and the rest on a trolley.

Care in this time was contradictory

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and confusing. She was eventually

admitted to a ward where she spent

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four hours before eventually being

sent home by a doctor with

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antibiotics and painkillers at about

9pm on Monday night. Tuesday

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morning, she was confused, unable to

move her right hand, an ambulance

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came to take her back to being tee.

She spent a further ten hours there

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before being admitted. Do the same

ward she was discharged from the

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previous night. This whole

experience has caused her immense

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distress. Thank you, Stuart. You can

share your experiences. New analysis

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shows waiting times in A&E have

doubled in the last few years. You

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can send me an e-mail. Or you can

WhatsApp or Facebook or text. Sport.

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Record-breaking night for English

football in Europe? The Liverpool

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boss Jurgen Klopp says he is still

fearing a tough draw for the last 16

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of the Champions League. That is

despite their great goal-scoring

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form at the moment. They finished

top of the group last night, 7-0

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demolition of Spartak Moscow

including a hat-trick for Philippe

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Coutinho playing very well at the

moment. Another couple of goals for

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Sadio Mane a, that victory also

means record-breaking four English

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clubs, five of them reaching the

knockout stages of the competition

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for the first time. -- for English

clubs.

This year, it is quite

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special. I do not think you can face

often Bayern Munich and Real Madrid

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in the last 16, if you win the

group. And all the others. So that

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is quite interesting.

Indeed it is.

An interesting draw. Takes place on

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Monday. Also last night, Manchester

City were beaten for the first time

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in 29 games, 2-1 by Shakhtar

Donetsk. They finished the group

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stage unbeaten,, both of the Premier

League teams going through as group

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winners as well. We talked about the

Winter Olympics on the programme

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yesterday and the fact Russia will

be banned but some Russian athletes

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will be able to compete?

We will see

more Russian athletes banned over

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the coming months and years. Their

Olympic committee has been banned by

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the IOC. Banned from taking part in

next year's Winter Games in South

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Korea. Russian athletes who prove

they are clean are at the moment

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likely to be able to take part. The

IOC president Thomas Bach says a

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final decision on that will be made

next week. This week Great Britain's

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Kelly Southwark and was awarded a

heptathlete runs from 2008 after a

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Russian athlete lost an appeal

against a retrospective

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disqualification.

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I personally think it should be a

total ban. Regardless of the few

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athletes in Russia who are

potentially clean, or who can prove

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they are, they are still rationed.

If they compete it will be under the

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banner athletes from Russia, rather

than neutral athletes and that may

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well suggest the IOC has agreed some

kind of deal with Vladimir Putin to

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avoid what would be the first

boycott of the games since 1984.

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Could we be seeing a return for

England cricketer Ben Stokes?

The

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English fans have their fingers

crossed for it. After defeat in the

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first two English tests there is a

criticism over a lack of fighting

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spirit in the team at the moment and

what they would give to see him out

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there with them. He has been named

in their one-day squad for the five

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match series in Australia in the New

Year. He has not played since being

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arrested following an incident

outside the Bristol nightclub in

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September. Alex Hales is not

currently being considered for

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selection. It does not mean either

will play in the series. The ECB are

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yet to decide on what disciplinary

action they will take. They are

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waiting to see if charges are

brought against him, so at the

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moment it is a waiting game for the

England fans.

Thank you very much,

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Hugh. More from him this morning.

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More from him this morning.

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One of the stories of this year has

seen hundreds of women -

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and some men - choosing to speak out

about the sexual harassment

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and exploitation they'd

endured in Hollywood,

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going back decades.

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Since allegations were made

against film producer

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Harvey Weinstein and then actor

Kevin Spacey, people in other

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professions were inspired

to reveal their own stories as part

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of the #MeToo movement,

so much so, they've

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collectively been named

Time Magazine's Person of the Year.

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There's Time's iconic cover -

Adama Iwu at the front,

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with Isabel Pascaul,

Ashley Judd, Susan Fowler

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and Taylor Swfit along the back.

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Many, but not all the examples,

involve an abuse of power -

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a man in a more senior position

taking advantage of a male or female

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in a less senior role.

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This morning we're going to bring

you exclusively, stories of some

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working in the modelling industry -

and they are pretty grim.

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Back in October, some publications

announced they would stop

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using the photographer

Terry Richardson

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after a number of models accused him

of sexual exploitation and abuse.

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Today we're going to bring

you the testimonies of some models.

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You may find this film

uncomfortable to watch

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and if you have children with you,

you might not want them to see it.

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There's quite a few examples.

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I turned up at the shoot,

at the studio, got the clothes on,

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everything is fine, doing

the different shots.

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I went to the bathroom, for a break.

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Came back and the photographer

was on his knees, where

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I was supposed to be standing.

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He grabbed me and he wanted me

to perform an act on him.

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And I just froze.

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I was sexually assaulted

by a stylist from a

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well-known hair brand.

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He grabbed me by the throat,

grabbed me in between my legs

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and he told me that my

body was disgusting.

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I could not get out,

I did not have keys,

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I did not have a phone.

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I pushed him away when

he tried to kiss me.

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He ended up masturbating

lying next to me.

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There was a pretty popular

photographer who wanted to shoot me,

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but because we were in separate

states, he wanted me to send nude

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photos of myself to him.

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I remember him asking me and me

knowing, I know I don't know much

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about the industry yet,

but I'm pretty sure that I don't

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have to send you a nude photo,

for you to be able to tell what kind

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of model you want.

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I kind of tried to appease him

but still do it my way,

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so I thought I would send him photos

of myself in my bikini.

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He lashed out through text message,

if you aren't ready for the real

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modelling world, don't

waste my time.

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I think there are about ten or 11

girls booked for this,

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we were going to do the shots

in situ, so it was in a bar.

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We had a uniform we were supposed

to wear, with the name of the bar

0:21:280:21:32

and stuff and we had to go

and have our hair and make-up done.

0:21:320:21:36

And the cameraman and

the photographer came out

0:21:360:21:39

and said, OK, girls,

how many of you are

0:21:390:21:42

prepared to do nude?

0:21:420:21:45

I was a bit shocked

because about half of the girls got

0:21:450:21:48

up and sat down next door.

0:21:480:21:51

And the rest of us said,

we're not prepared to do that

0:21:510:21:54

because that was not part

of the shoot.

0:21:540:21:55

And they were like, oh well,

if you are not prepared to do nude

0:21:550:21:59

photos then you have not got

through the casting.

0:21:590:22:03

And we said, "This is

the job, not the casting."

0:22:030:22:09

"No no no, this was actually just

the casting and you didn't get

0:22:090:22:12

through the casting."

0:22:120:22:14

"So, yeah, bye."

0:22:140:22:24

This was one of my

favourite photo shoots.

0:22:300:22:32

The photographer is

extremely talented.

0:22:320:22:37

But, at the end of the shoot,

I was asked if I wanted

0:22:370:22:40

to hook up and fool around.

0:22:400:22:51

Mind you, I just putting my clothes

back on and I am feeling

0:22:520:22:54

really uncomfortable.

0:22:540:22:56

Normally, I would just kind of laugh

it off and pretend like, I don't

0:22:560:23:17

My first thought was, am I going to

get paid for this? Then he might go

0:24:120:24:18

to the agent and say something.

0:24:180:24:29

We did invite the British Fashion

Council onto the show,

0:24:320:24:34

but they didn't respond.

0:24:340:24:35

We also asked the Association

of Model Agents.

0:24:350:24:38

They declined to give us

an interview but they did tell us

0:24:380:24:41

that they have now set up

an an independent reporting system

0:24:410:24:43

for models to report abuse,

that will come into place

0:24:430:24:46

in the next couple of weeks.

0:24:460:24:47

They wanted to make clear

that their agencies have a huge duty

0:24:470:24:50

of care to their models and do

everything within their

0:24:500:24:53

power to protect them.

0:24:530:24:54

They said they don't send them

to meetings at hotels or private

0:24:540:24:58

addresses with clients or

photographers who they do not know.

0:24:580:25:03

Terry Richardson denies the

allegations made against him.

0:25:030:25:06

We can now speak to the British

fashion commentator

0:25:060:25:09

Caryn Franklin, from

the Kingston School of Art

0:25:090:25:11

and model Eunice Olumide.

0:25:110:25:13

Obviously the nature

of the conversation means

0:25:130:25:15

you might not want children to hear

the conversation

0:25:150:25:18

Welcome to both of you. The world of

fashion, it objectifies women, is it

0:25:180:25:27

inevitable sadly that some women and

men are going to be the victims of

0:25:270:25:32

sexual harassment or exploitation.

I

do not think good practice needs to

0:25:320:25:39

objectify women. We all relate to

Salford and identity and in the

0:25:390:25:44

women's market, women do not need to

seek female women sexualise --

0:25:440:25:54

sexhood. The male gaze, what do you

mean you cannot give me that look?

0:25:540:26:07

Sex it up. The model loses power as

her boundaries are eroded. That is

0:26:070:26:11

what we are struggling with, to

create a safe space for models were

0:26:110:26:17

those professional boundaries are

not overstepped as a perk of the

0:26:170:26:22

job.

0:26:220:26:27

Do you relate to some of the

testimony?

Completely. In any

0:26:270:26:33

industry there are rules and

regulations. It is not acceptable

0:26:330:26:36

because you are a fashion model,

although I understand why people

0:26:360:26:40

fall into those situations, it has

to be appropriate on set all the

0:26:400:26:44

time.

So why is there not?

It is

almost self regulated. Institutions

0:26:440:26:56

or organisations, regardless of what

they are, when they are self

0:26:560:26:59

regulated the correct checks are not

done. There is now an association of

0:26:590:27:04

model agencies and an organisation

such as equity. But I feel it is

0:27:040:27:11

disappointing it has taken so long

for any of these things to come

0:27:110:27:14

around.

Also there is not a direct

route where the agencies themselves,

0:27:140:27:20

although full of individuals, some

of whom are very caring, there is

0:27:200:27:26

not a direct route for the agency to

flag up that preventative cancelling

0:27:260:27:34

and signpost away for complaint and

immediate joining to the Equity

0:27:340:27:43

union by which models learn about

their rights. Having spoken to

0:27:430:27:49

Emanuel, he has invited all

models... Explain who he is. From

0:27:490:27:56

equity models union, whether or not

they are members of the union they

0:27:560:28:00

can receive independent advice and

guidance.

It is essential. One of

0:28:000:28:09

the issues I find is if you do have

a problem you risk the fact of being

0:28:090:28:14

highlighted is difficult to work

with if you say anything at all and

0:28:140:28:16

this is a major issue.

Has happened

to you?

Yes, I have had experiences

0:28:160:28:23

were photographers or other people

have behaved inappropriately. You

0:28:230:28:28

say something to the photographer

and you are in serious trouble.

0:28:280:28:32

Unfortunately I do not necessarily

agree, sometimes when it comes to

0:28:320:28:39

agencies they might not necessarily

respond favourably to you.

That is

0:28:390:28:44

an important point, it is the money.

You said something interesting, if

0:28:440:28:49

you say something to the

photographer, you are in big

0:28:490:28:52

trouble. What do you mean?

I have

had a situation where I felt someone

0:28:520:28:58

was not behaving correctly and that

led to me not getting booked for

0:28:580:29:02

several years. I did not know that

because I had said something out

0:29:020:29:06

loud that person had then defamed my

character and made out like I was

0:29:060:29:11

some kind of diva on set and it was

nothing to do with that.

What did

0:29:110:29:16

that individual try to do?

The most

important thing rather than going

0:29:160:29:20

into the details was the

consequences of that and the

0:29:200:29:25

consequences of that word that that

person felt challenged, so they went

0:29:250:29:33

into a kind of attack mode and they

did that by saying things about me

0:29:330:29:37

which were unfair and untrue.

Because they are in a position of

0:29:370:29:41

power, everyone had believed them.

Ultimately I am just a model.

0:29:410:29:50

Actually in our industry it is not

correct for us to speak too much

0:29:500:29:53

either onset or not.

I am really

upset, I was struck by a quote from

0:29:530:29:59

another British model, Edie

Campbell. When we go on set which

0:29:590:30:04

enter into an unspoken contract. For

that day we give our bodies and our

0:30:040:30:09

fate is over to the photographer,

the stylist, the make-up artist. We

0:30:090:30:13

give up ownership for that day.

100%.

How do you change that

0:30:130:30:18

culture?

There are a lot of things

going on in the wider social,

0:30:180:30:26

political and economic environment

so we can see across industries,

0:30:260:30:31

like there is this resurgence and

people are paying attention and

0:30:310:30:34

people are speaking out and I was so

proud and inspired by so many of the

0:30:340:30:40

established actresses and models who

are now speaking about it because we

0:30:400:30:43

really need them to come forward.

Now they are in a place in their

0:30:430:30:47

career whereby they can speak

without having to worry about not

0:30:470:30:50

getting booked.

We have got to add

that we need diverse perspectives.

0:30:500:30:57

Why is there an automatic assumption

that a female model operating

0:30:570:31:01

largely for a female audience has to

adopt a sexualised pose.

Dawn says

0:31:010:31:06

this, it is not just the models who

get harassed, ask the female

0:31:060:31:13

assistants and the aspiring female

photographers. At some point we have

0:31:130:31:16

all been treated inappropriately.

0:31:160:31:21

It is across all levels. It is a

sense of entitlement that sadly a

0:31:210:31:27

group of people in the industry, and

it is mostly white, middle-aged men,

0:31:270:31:33

who stepped into this role, they

believe they have, in terms of their

0:31:330:31:37

creative piratical -- tyrannical

power. It should not be done to

0:31:370:31:46

young models to fight their corner

to change what is entrenched

0:31:460:31:50

behaviour among very powerful

groups. The whole industry has to

0:31:500:31:55

get together and back an independent

regulatory body that takes money and

0:31:550:32:01

visionary leadership, something I

have suggested, but actually, where

0:32:010:32:05

will it come from and how will we

make it happen?

Thank you very much

0:32:050:32:09

both of you. Really appreciate your

time. Your views are welcome,

0:32:090:32:15

particularly if you work in the

fashion industry, as Dawn clearly

0:32:150:32:22

does. The number of long waits has

doubled in the past four years in

0:32:220:32:27

A&E. What can be done?

0:32:270:32:31

Theresa May is under increasing

pressure from all sides to break

0:32:310:32:33

the impasse in the Brexit talks

and reach an agreement over

0:32:330:32:36

the future of the Irish border.

0:32:360:32:37

We'll get the latest

from our political

0:32:370:32:38

Time for the latest news

headlines this morning.

0:32:410:32:43

Here's Annita.

0:32:430:32:49

The leader of the Palestinian

Islamist movement has called for a

0:32:490:32:53

new intifada or popular uprising

following President Trump's

0:32:530:32:59

recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's

capital. It has been widely

0:32:590:33:05

condemned by some of the US's

closest allies. The UN Security

0:33:050:33:09

Council will hold an emergency

meeting tomorrow to debate the move.

0:33:090:33:13

The Irish Prime Minister,

Leo Varadkar, has said Theresa May

0:33:130:33:16

is expected to put forward

a new offer on the issue

0:33:160:33:18

of the Irish border later today.

0:33:180:33:20

A draft agreement between Mrs May

and the European Union,

0:33:200:33:23

which would have allowed the Brexit

negotiations to move on to trade,

0:33:230:33:26

was blocked on Monday

by the Democratic Unionists.

0:33:260:33:32

19 Tory MPs who back a soft Brexit

have written to Mrs May,

0:33:320:33:35

saying it was highly irresponsible

for anyone to dictate terms

0:33:350:33:38

which may scupper a deal.

0:33:380:33:39

The Defence Secretary,

Gavin Williamson, has said no

0:33:390:33:41

British citizen who has fought

for the Islamic State group should

0:33:410:33:44

be allowed back into the country.

0:33:440:33:46

Mr Williamson, who was promoted

to his post last month, told

0:33:460:33:50

the Daily Mail that the fighters

should be hunted down and killed,

0:33:500:33:53

because "a dead terrorist couldn't

cause any harm to Britain".

0:33:530:33:58

The number of patients waiting more

than four hours in accident

0:33:580:34:00

and emergency departments in the UK

has more than doubled

0:34:000:34:03

in the last four years.

0:34:030:34:05

Research by the BBC has found over

3 million people experienced longer

0:34:050:34:10

waits than the A&E target

in the last 12 months.

0:34:100:34:14

The accounts of Bath Spa University

show that its departing

0:34:140:34:18

vice-chancellor, Professor Christina

Slade, received more than £800,000

0:34:180:34:21

last year in pay and benefits.

0:34:210:34:28

Ten days ago, the vice-chancellor

of Bath University announced

0:34:280:34:30

she would step down in 2019

after complaints from students

0:34:300:34:32

and staff about her pay.

0:34:320:34:36

The University and College Union

said the pay and pensions of some

0:34:360:34:39

senior staff made them look

greedy and out of touch.

0:34:390:34:41

The Australian parliament

has passed a bill to

0:34:410:34:43

legalise same-sex marriage.

0:34:430:34:46

The bill was passed after a long

debate in which more

0:34:460:34:49

than 100 MPs spoke.

0:34:490:34:50

The vote follows a referendum

earlier this year, which showed

0:34:500:34:52

a majority of people support

the change.

0:34:520:34:56

A fast-moving wildfire in southern

California has hit the US state's

0:34:560:34:59

main costal highway and reached

the Pacific Ocean according

0:34:590:35:03

to firefighters tackling the blaze.

0:35:030:35:07

The homes of more than 150,000

people have been evacuated

0:35:070:35:10

in an area north of Los Angeles

and hundreds of buildings

0:35:100:35:12

have been damaged.

0:35:120:35:17

Strong winds are expected to hinder

efforts to contain the fire

0:35:170:35:20

which is endangering

some 12,000 properties.

0:35:200:35:23

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

0:35:230:35:26

Thank you very much. This news just

in, from the Home Office, a record

0:35:260:35:34

400 arrests were made for terrorism

related offences in the year to the

0:35:340:35:38

end of September 20 17. Those

figures just published. 400 arrests

0:35:380:35:42

have been made in a 12 month period

in this country for terrorism

0:35:420:35:49

related offences from September,

2016, two September, 2017. That is a

0:35:490:35:55

record according to the Home Office.

Sport. Liverpool kept up the lethal

0:35:550:36:04

goal-scoring form in the process,

beating Spartak Moscow 7-0 making it

0:36:040:36:09

five English clubs into the last 16

for the very first time. Pep

0:36:090:36:14

Guardiola's Man City warmed up for

this weekend's derby not as they had

0:36:140:36:19

hoped, their first defeat since

April, going down 2-1 at Shakhtar

0:36:190:36:24

Donetsk in Ukraine. Could return the

growing close of the Ben Stokes? He

0:36:240:36:29

has not played since his arrest

following an incident outside a

0:36:290:36:33

nightclub in September. He has been

named in the squad for

0:36:330:36:45

the one-day series with Australia in

the New Year. Mark King won for the

0:36:480:36:51

last five frames to beat John

Higgins at the UK Championship

0:36:510:36:53

snooker. He will be joined in the

quarterfinals by Stephen Maguire,

0:36:530:36:55

Joe Perry and Ryan Day. More sport

after ten.

0:36:550:36:57

What's the longest you've sat

for in accident and emergency

0:36:570:37:00

waiting to be seen by a doctor?

0:37:000:37:01

The BBC has found that A&E waiting

times across the UK have more

0:37:010:37:05

doubled in the last three years.

0:37:050:37:06

There are differences

between various parts of the UK,

0:37:060:37:08

but England has seen the biggest

rise where long waits

0:37:080:37:11

are up by over 150%.

0:37:110:37:13

Let's find out what's behind

the rise and what should be done.

0:37:130:37:16

In Nuneaton is Dani Thorpe,

who waited almost five hours

0:37:160:37:19

with her nine-month old son, Max,

after he was rushed to hospital.

0:37:190:37:21

Wendy Preston is here, a nurse

with almost 30 years experience.

0:37:210:37:31

In our Birmingham studio is former

Conservative Health Secretary,

0:37:310:37:33

Stephen Dorrell.

0:37:330:37:34

And here in the studio,

Labour's Health Spokesman,

0:37:340:37:36

Jonathan Ashworth.

0:37:360:37:37

Thank you for coming on the

programme, all of you. Dani, it was

0:37:370:37:41

late on a Saturday night, you took

Max to hospital, when was the scene?

0:37:410:37:45

I think it was about four hours

after we arrived, he was eventually

0:37:450:37:51

seen.

What was the outcome?

They

just put it down to the

0:37:510:37:56

bronchiolitis and told us there was

nothing they could do and sent us

0:37:560:38:00

home.

What was it like while you

were waiting? If it was within four

0:38:000:38:05

hours, that is within the target,

after the forum was, missing the

0:38:050:38:09

target.

It was definitely after four

hours. The waiting room is not very

0:38:090:38:16

comfortable. A lot of unhappy

parents, unhappy children. A lot of

0:38:160:38:21

poorly children that were not being

seen too. It was just awful.

How is

0:38:210:38:27

Max now?

Still on the mend. Not much

better.

I am sorry to hear that. You

0:38:270:38:33

have been in nursing for almost

three decades, Wendy, how typical a

0:38:330:38:38

story is that in recent times?

Very

typical. I working clinical practice

0:38:380:38:44

in Nuneaton, a bit of a coincidence.

What we see is we have got in A&E a

0:38:440:38:51

bottleneck, it is a final coming in

with the bottle at the other end. --

0:38:510:38:56

funnel. We have so many people

coming to A&E from different

0:38:560:39:02

directions and on the other side, so

many delayed transfers of care. For

0:39:020:39:08

example, in Nuneaton, I work for the

out of hours GP service. One of the

0:39:080:39:15

problems as we have such a lot of

people to see in the out of hours GP

0:39:150:39:22

service, face-to-face, home visits,

palliative care, terminally ill. I

0:39:220:39:27

work night shifts, the massive drop

in district nursing. Over 40%

0:39:270:39:32

reduction in district nursing

numbers. In a lot of areas, there is

0:39:320:39:36

no overnight district nursing

service.

People end up going to A&E?

0:39:360:39:42

No, the out of hours GP service,

Doctor or advanced nurse like

0:39:420:39:46

myself, about visiting people who

could have been seen by a district

0:39:460:39:51

nurse, they might have catheter

problems, they might need pain

0:39:510:39:56

relief. No district nursing service,

everything falls to the out of hours

0:39:560:40:01

GP service.

You were Health

Secretary the last time the

0:40:010:40:05

Conservatives were in government,

what is going wrong?

The declining

0:40:050:40:10

availability of district nurses,

there has also been a decline in the

0:40:100:40:13

number of GPs, an increase in

emergency room waiting times, as

0:40:130:40:22

your headline reports, these are all

different measures of increased

0:40:220:40:29

demand and capacity not growing fast

enough and very often not growing in

0:40:290:40:33

the right place. If you think of one

of the other stories often around

0:40:330:40:38

when we consider these questions,

the problems or pressures within

0:40:380:40:44

social care. You mentioned

discharges from hospital, but it is

0:40:440:40:51

also social care preventing people

going to hospital or to GPs and

0:40:510:40:55

district nurses in the first place.

You have not mentioned money in that

0:40:550:40:59

list. Why do you think the

Government does not give the NHS the

0:40:590:41:05

money that the chief executive has

asked for?

That is a question you

0:41:050:41:10

should put to the government. I am

here as chair of the NHS

0:41:100:41:15

Confederation. We made the same

point to the Government that Simon

0:41:150:41:18

Stevens made, that these questions,

and I list the different pressure

0:41:180:41:26

points on the health and care

system, they are all measures of

0:41:260:41:30

capacity, not growing fast enough,

to meet the demand for service.

0:41:300:41:38

Labour's Jonathan Ashworth, the

Department of Health colours they

0:41:380:41:40

are spending an extra 435 million to

cope with this winter -- the

0:41:400:41:45

Department of Health tell us. And 1

billion extra to help meet adult

0:41:450:41:50

social care needs. An awful lot of

money.

It is. And there has been a

0:41:500:41:55

slight increase in NHS budget for

the next 12 months after the

0:41:550:42:01

Chancellor's budget that other week.

But it is not enough. Traditionally,

0:42:010:42:07

as Stephen will know from his time

in the Cabinet, the NHS budget tends

0:42:070:42:11

to increase by 4% a year on average,

generally accepted as an increase

0:42:110:42:16

which will meet the increasing needs

and demands on the NHS. But under

0:42:160:42:20

seven years of this government, the

NHS budget has more less flat lined

0:42:200:42:24

at 1%, seven of underfunding,

capacity has not grown in the right

0:42:240:42:30

places, for example, we have lost

14,000 beds in our hospitals. We

0:42:300:42:36

think we now have vacancies that

35,000 nurses. The number of GPs is

0:42:360:42:40

going down. Social care has been cut

back very severely which means you

0:42:400:42:46

have many elderly and vulnerable

people in communities going without

0:42:460:42:49

the care they would have got, often

being cared for in hospitals with

0:42:490:42:54

nowhere to go.

Is it mostly about

money? We know Labour would borrow

0:42:540:43:01

to invest more. Is it mostly about

amounts of money being poured in?

We

0:43:010:43:06

have to put the NHS on a proper

sustainable financial footing for

0:43:060:43:11

the future and the Labour Party in

the general election recently

0:43:110:43:14

pledged an extra £6 billion for the

NHS in the next year. We said we

0:43:140:43:17

would pay for that by making

different decisions on taxation.

0:43:170:43:21

More broadly, we have to resolve the

social care crisis in this country

0:43:210:43:25

and we have to resolve the workforce

issues. We do not have enough

0:43:250:43:30

doctors, nurses, paramedics. That is

a long-term issue, you cannot

0:43:300:43:34

resolve it overnight. There are

things the Government could do like

0:43:340:43:37

guaranteeing the rights of EU

workers, bringing back the training

0:43:370:43:42

bursary, a proper fair prey rise to

help with retention issues as well.

0:43:420:43:47

-- pay rise. Wendy, your own

experience at the front line, what

0:43:470:43:51

do you see would be good to change

to make things better so patients

0:43:510:43:56

are not waiting so long in A&E?

You

just talked about funding, stepped

0:43:560:44:01

in the right direction to get extra

funding, but it comes too late in

0:44:010:44:05

the planning.

We are where we are.

What would you suggest?

We need to

0:44:050:44:11

plan the next year, the year after,

so we can plan. I know in a hospital

0:44:110:44:19

in Nuneaton, they are just spending

the extra million pounds they had to

0:44:190:44:24

redesign the A&E department so they

can have out of hours GP services,

0:44:240:44:31

walk-in centres, A&E, altogether. It

takes time and building work.

That

0:44:310:44:35

is £1 million once banned, are you

saying?

It looks like it is a

0:44:350:44:40

positive -- well spent. It needed to

be done earlier in the year are not

0:44:400:44:50

in the winter.

Dani, as a taxpayer,

a mum, someone who has spent longer

0:44:500:44:55

than you would have wanted in A&E

recently, what did you see that

0:44:550:44:59

might be good to change to make

things better for patients like

0:44:590:45:03

yourself?

I think if you are taken

in by ambulance which we were,

0:45:030:45:08

instead of being told you are not a

priority, you should be seen as soon

0:45:080:45:12

as you get there. I understand there

are emergencies, that does not

0:45:120:45:16

bother me, if there is an emergency,

I have to wait, that is fine. We

0:45:160:45:21

were taken in by ambulance. We

walked through the main entrance of

0:45:210:45:26

A&E and the whole coracle was lined

with people -- the whole corridor.

I

0:45:260:45:33

have quite a lot of social media

from people talking of similar

0:45:330:45:36

stories.

0:45:360:45:42

Andrew says, I was admitted in with

pneumonia and was in A&E for 12

0:45:420:45:47

hours on a trolley, five hours later

I was sent home and within 24 hours

0:45:470:45:52

I was readmitted. This time I spent

16 hours on a trolley and spent 11

0:45:520:45:56

days in hospital before finally

being sent home. There are quite a

0:45:560:46:01

few like that. I am recovering from

a broken leg, says Callum. I arrived

0:46:010:46:06

in a taxi in unbelievable pain,

someone got me a wheelchair and got

0:46:060:46:10

me registered and within one hour my

leg was reset and put in plaster and

0:46:100:46:14

I was on my way to a ward in prep

for surgery, they were amazing.

0:46:140:46:20

Sheila says I and my husband

attended our emergency department at

0:46:200:46:25

Salisbury District Council three

weeks ago. My husband was in pain

0:46:250:46:28

and he was seen within an hour and

he was admitted for tests and was

0:46:280:46:38

admitted for further tests and went

home the next day. Pearl says it

0:46:380:46:43

comes as no surprise to me that

waiting times are over 24 hours. How

0:46:430:46:48

can it be any different when we have

an increasing and ageing population?

0:46:480:46:53

Doctors and nurses are doing a

fantastic job and are only human.

0:46:530:46:58

Some A&E departments are doing

really well despite the

0:46:580:47:00

circumstances.

That is a tribute to

the tremendous staff who work in our

0:47:000:47:07

hospitals. That story about waiting

on a trolley is staggering and no

0:47:070:47:10

one should put up with that. Some

figures we research recently showed

0:47:100:47:15

that in the last year there have

been 565,000 people designated as

0:47:150:47:21

waiting on a trolley. They are often

waiting on a trolley in corridors

0:47:210:47:25

and able to get a bed. The scale of

the crisis affecting the NHS is huge

0:47:250:47:30

at the moment.

Thank you all very

much for coming in. I have got an

0:47:300:47:37

interesting e-mail from Rachel. It

is quite long, so I will read later.

0:47:370:47:41

It is quite long,

so I will read later.

0:47:410:47:44

If you want to know how your local

hospital is doing, use the BBC NHS

0:47:440:47:47

tracker at bbc.co.uk/nhstracker.

0:47:470:47:56

Coming up: How one acid attack

victim has gone on to campaign

0:47:560:48:02

to change the law on selling acid,

and earlier this year was named

0:48:020:48:05

one of BBC's 100 Women.

0:48:050:48:06

We'll hear from Resham Khan

later in the programme.

0:48:060:48:13

Another day of pressure

for Theresa May, as efforts continue

0:48:130:48:15

to break the Brexit impasse over

Ireland.

0:48:150:48:17

It's thought the Prime Minister

could come up with new proposals

0:48:170:48:19

within the next 24 hours

in an attempt to get over this last

0:48:190:48:23

hurdle before the UK and the EU

can start trade talks.

0:48:230:48:27

The Democratic Unionist Party, which

Mrs May depends on for support,

0:48:270:48:30

says there's still work to be done,

while the Irish Prime Minister,

0:48:300:48:35

Leo Varadkar, says he's willing

to consider new ideas.

0:48:350:48:39

So why has this massive set

of negotiations stalled over a

0:48:390:48:42

300-mile border on an island

on the outer edge of Europe?

0:48:420:48:45

Let's talk to our political

correspondent Chris Mason.

0:48:450:48:53

Sorry, Ian Watson. Are we expecting

a new form of words to be put to the

0:48:530:49:00

EU from Theresa May in the next 24

hours?

That is the hope of the Irish

0:49:000:49:04

government. However, Downing Street

are not quite so optimistic and

0:49:040:49:10

crucially the DUP, the party

propping up Theresa May's

0:49:100:49:14

Administration at Westminster are

sounding more downbeat. They are

0:49:140:49:18

suggesting there will not be a deal

this week. The chief EU negotiator

0:49:180:49:22

Michel Barnier said he and the EU

ambassadors need to know if the deal

0:49:220:49:27

will be done by tomorrow evening.

When I spoke to Chris Grayling this

0:49:270:49:31

morning he was saying the real

deadline for him is not until this

0:49:310:49:34

time next week when there is a big

summit of all the European leaders.

0:49:340:49:39

There is lots of talk about

deadlines. We are going to get on

0:49:390:49:46

with the job as quickly as we can to

find the right way forward, but I am

0:49:460:49:50

in no doubt that over the coming

days if there is a will to find an

0:49:500:49:53

agreement, that agreement will be

found regardless of what time of

0:49:530:49:57

night or day it is. We are all

working towards reaching an

0:49:570:50:06

agreement. There are different

people saying different things about

0:50:060:50:09

what we have to do that and when. I

am sure people will be flexible.

0:50:090:50:14

Chris Grayling sounded optimistic

and suggesting the end of this week

0:50:140:50:17

is not a deadline for him. But apart

from that what is the substance?

0:50:170:50:22

Bear with me. The government is

talking about full alignment post

0:50:220:50:28

Brexit between Northern Ireland and

the Republic of Ireland. That means

0:50:280:50:32

you can have different rules and

regulations either side of the

0:50:320:50:35

border as long as they had similar

standards. That could lead to

0:50:350:50:39

frictionless trade and no need for a

border. Whether they can convince

0:50:390:50:44

the DUP that language is acceptable

will be absolutely crucial.

Full

0:50:440:50:49

alignment! Ian Watson.

0:50:490:50:50

Ian Watson.

0:50:500:50:51
0:50:510:50:52

So, that border between

Northern Ireland and the Republic

0:50:520:50:54

of Ireland runs for 310 miles and up

to 35,000 people, including workers,

0:50:540:50:57

schoolchildren and hospital

patients, are among those who travel

0:50:570:50:59

across the border

every day both ways.

0:50:590:51:01

There are farms whose fields

straddle the border and even homes

0:51:010:51:04

where you can have your breakfast

in the north and go

0:51:040:51:07

to sleep in the south.

0:51:070:51:09

How do people living and working

along the border feel

0:51:090:51:11

about possible changes to border

control after Brexit?

0:51:110:51:16

Let's talk to Maree Lindsay who is

principal of St Mary's College

0:51:160:51:20

in Derry-Londonderry.

0:51:200:51:22

She lives in the Republic of Ireland

and crosses the border every day

0:51:220:51:25

to go to work at her school

in Northern Ireland.

0:51:250:51:28

James Johnston runs Enniskillen

Cattle Mart near the border.

0:51:280:51:32

Many of the farmers that come

to the market have land that

0:51:320:51:34

straddles the border.

0:51:340:51:38

And Betty Holmes is a member

of Donegal Action for Cancer Care.

0:51:380:51:42

The group is based in the Republic

of Ireland but campaigns for people

0:51:420:51:49

to be able to access nearby

NHS health facilities

0:51:490:51:51

in Northern Ireland.

0:51:510:51:54

Welcome all of you. You cross the

border every day to go to work. Give

0:51:540:52:00

us an insight into the day-to-day

practicalities of cross-border

0:52:000:52:03

living and working.

It is very

seamless and it happens very easily

0:52:030:52:09

at present. I live about a 15 Minute

Drive from the school so when I get

0:52:090:52:13

up in the morning I am in the

Republic of Ireland in Donegal and I

0:52:130:52:19

drive 15 minutes and there are no

visible signs I am changing

0:52:190:52:23

jurisdiction and moving into

Northern Ireland.

It is not obvious

0:52:230:52:26

that you cross the border?

Not

really. If you are wide awake and I

0:52:260:52:31

could point out the street signs and

when you cross into Northern Ireland

0:52:310:52:38

the signs are in miles per hour, not

kilometres per hour, but that is the

0:52:380:52:43

only difference.

You have known a

hard border during the troubles in

0:52:430:52:47

the 1970s in particular. What is it

like having to go through an army

0:52:470:52:50

checkpoint?

It is unpredictable and

quite disruptive especially when you

0:52:500:52:56

are in school and a timetable is

running and classes need to be

0:52:560:53:00

taught. Many days you would have

travelled through without being

0:53:000:53:04

stopped, but on occasions you could

have been stopped and you never knew

0:53:040:53:07

how long that delay was going to be.

Even if you and your car were not

0:53:070:53:11

going to be searched, many of the

vehicles in front of you could have

0:53:110:53:15

been pulled in to be searched. It

was very disruptive and everyone

0:53:150:53:20

travelling through those checkpoints

had delays and had to cope with that

0:53:200:53:23

unpredictability.

No one is

suggesting there will be army

0:53:230:53:28

checkpoint in their ends up being a

hard border, but it is interesting

0:53:280:53:31

to get that insight. What do you

feel potentially about the prospect

0:53:310:53:36

if no deal can be agreed of a hard

border again?

Well, I would be very

0:53:360:53:44

worried about a hard border. Apart

from the practicalities and the

0:53:440:53:50

delays and being able to get to

work, and it is not just me, as you

0:53:500:53:55

say there are thousands of people

who cross for work and their

0:53:550:53:58

studies, so it would be very

disruptive. But also the idea of a

0:53:580:54:02

hard border on people like me who

live in a border area really impact

0:54:020:54:07

on the society and on the community.

I think we would see a fragmentation

0:54:070:54:12

of that community and I think that

is something I would worry about.

0:54:120:54:17

That is interesting. It is not just

about the economics. You are saying

0:54:170:54:21

it is about peace, prosperity and

the social well-being of people.

0:54:210:54:25

James, you work in a family

business, how important is an open

0:54:250:54:29

border for you and your business?

Again it is crucial to keep the

0:54:290:54:34

border open and seamless. As has

been mentioned even before the

0:54:340:54:43

economy thankfully there are great

North - South relations at the

0:54:430:54:46

minute and any disruption to that

would be very unwelcome.

There are

0:54:460:54:51

farmers who trades at your market

who have land that straddles the

0:54:510:54:56

border. They literally do have one

field in the north and one field in

0:54:560:55:00

the south. What I their concerns

about potentially a border that runs

0:55:000:55:04

through their land having tighter

controls?

They are very worried

0:55:040:55:09

about that. We have a cattle sale on

here today and this spans into the

0:55:090:55:17

south and they are bringing their

cattle to ask and there are a lot of

0:55:170:55:21

farmers who have land both sides,

farms both sides, and the prospect

0:55:210:55:26

of being slowed down, even small

delays, whenever they cross that

0:55:260:55:29

border multiple times during the day

can add up to major disruption. Some

0:55:290:55:34

have even said if that was the case,

they would have to consider stopping

0:55:340:55:41

the farm on whatever side of the

border they had the least land on.

0:55:410:55:44

That is interesting. Betty, let me

bring you in. Your family has had a

0:55:440:55:52

history of cancer which has led to

you campaigning on health services

0:55:520:55:55

and campaigning for people being

able to access services

0:55:550:55:59

cross-border. What difference does

that make to people would you say?

0:55:590:56:03

Well, the difference you could just

not comprehend it. The best way to

0:56:030:56:08

explain it or bring it into context

is we are in Donegal, part of the

0:56:080:56:13

Republic of Ireland and literally 15

minutes from my home we are in

0:56:130:56:17

Londonderry, part of the UK. It has

a major impact. The best way to

0:56:170:56:23

highlight it to you is we put

together a map of Ireland, the

0:56:230:56:28

entire part of Ireland, and we did

this in February 2000 and 15.

Lifted

0:56:280:56:35

higher up.

This is the map of

Ireland. This is the eight centres

0:56:350:56:44

of excellence hospitals and they go

across the Galway and Dublin line

0:56:440:56:47

and we are here in Donegal. Just

across in here is the dairy hospital

0:56:470:56:52

and we were part of a group both on

this side of the border and in

0:56:520:56:59

Londonderry who campaigned over a

long period of time to actually

0:56:590:57:05

develop radiotherapy cancer services

for the people of Donegal. What that

0:57:050:57:12

means is there is a radiotherapy

unit in Northern Ireland, there is

0:57:120:57:17

one in Belfast. But that meant

difficulty but people in Derry and

0:57:170:57:22

the border area. Together we both

worked hard and along with both

0:57:220:57:28

governments and the radiotherapy

centre, the Northwest Cancer Centre

0:57:280:57:33

was developed in Derry and

Londonderry.

Let's say there were

0:57:330:57:40

controls and checks. Some people say

there is no need for that anyway

0:57:400:57:46

because the technology means you

could go straight through. You are

0:57:460:57:49

shaking your head in disagreement.

First of all, before we had the

0:57:490:57:55

radiotherapy unit for a Donegal

cancer patients they had to make a

0:57:550:57:59

five hour one-way journey to Galway

hospital or Dublin hospital. It

0:57:590:58:04

meant you left early on Monday

morning and came back on Friday

0:58:040:58:07

night.

But you can still cross the

border even if it was not invisible.

0:58:070:58:12

It might take slightly longer?

When

you went to Galway you did not have

0:58:120:58:17

to cross the border because we were

in the Republic of Ireland. Yes, we

0:58:170:58:24

are effectively crossing the border,

but a cancer patient can leave their

0:58:240:58:27

home in the morning and come back in

the evening. But there is an

0:58:270:58:31

important issue in this context. In

order to have the north- west cancer

0:58:310:58:38

centre in Londonderry part of the

UK, we needed a critical mass and if

0:58:380:58:44

there is a hard Brexit and that

service is impacted on and access

0:58:440:58:50

for Donegal patients at the new

radiotherapy unit is not accessible,

0:58:500:58:57

that leaves Londonderry in the North

in the six counties, part of the UK,

0:58:570:59:04

they will not have the critical mass

to maintain the radiotherapy unit.

0:59:040:59:09

Understood, I will pause you there.

James, thank you for coming in, and

0:59:090:59:14

marry, thank you for your time as

well. We really appreciated. --

0:59:140:59:19

Marie.

0:59:190:59:19

-- Marie.

0:59:190:59:24

We will bring you the latest spot in

a moment, first the weather.

0:59:240:59:27

Storm Caroline is still developing

across the far north of Scotland at

0:59:320:59:36

the moment and that brings in colder

air. It will get noticeably colder

0:59:360:59:41

as the day goes on. This is storm

Caroline and that is the centre

0:59:410:59:45

where you have got some really

strong winds. The isobar is not

0:59:450:59:51

close together. Storm force winds

across northern Scotland and that

0:59:510:59:56

has prompted weather warnings. 80

miles an hour, so be prepared for

0:59:561:00:04

disruption. Those strong winds will

continue for much of the day in

1:00:041:00:11

northern Scotland. Elsewhere we have

rain which is moving its way south

1:00:111:00:14

and east. Still mild conditions in

the South East. There will be

1:00:141:00:20

sunshine coming through but it will

turn noticeably colder and

1:00:201:00:23

temperatures dropping by seven

Celsius this afternoon and with it

1:00:231:00:28

increasingly wet and stirring

conditions in northern Ireland and

1:00:281:00:32

Scotland. This evening and overnight

that snow in northern Scotland will

1:00:321:00:37

get down to low levels and low

levels in Northern Ireland,

1:00:371:00:42

north-west England, Wales and

eventually into the Midlands by

1:00:421:00:45

early tomorrow morning. Ice is a big

problem tomorrow morning in northern

1:00:451:00:50

areas. Further south temperatures

staying above freezing. There could

1:00:501:00:54

well be some problems on Friday

morning with blizzards and snow at

1:00:541:00:59

low levels and also in Northern

Ireland, Wales and the Northwest

1:00:591:01:02

Midlands. By morning it could be 2-5

centimetres. But those showers

1:01:021:01:09

continued throughout the day and

there could be 10-15 centimetres by

1:01:091:01:12

the evening rush-hour. This snow

continues in northern Scotland. If

1:01:121:01:23

you have not got the snow, you have

got sunshine, but it will feel

1:01:231:01:27

bitterly cold with a significant

wind-chill. It will feel like

1:01:271:01:33

freezing and down to minus six

Celsius. On Saturday a brief

1:01:331:01:37

respite. Lots of dry weather around

and sunshine in eastern areas and a

1:01:371:01:41

few showers in the north and the

West. Pretty cold on Saturday and on

1:01:411:01:48

Sunday rain sped into the South and

it will turn to snow. There is some

1:01:481:01:52

uncertainty as to where exactly it

will fall and how much it will

1:01:521:01:55

settle. Much milder in the

south-west, but colder in the east.

1:01:551:02:01

Stay tuned as we go into Sunday.

1:02:011:02:07

Hello, it is 10am, I am

Victoria Derbyshire.

1:02:071:02:12

The Palestinian Islamist

group Hamas has called

1:02:121:02:13

for a new uprising against Israel.

1:02:131:02:17

It follows President Trump's

recognition of Jerusalem

1:02:171:02:19

as the Israeli capital.

1:02:191:02:26

Changing 70 years of American

foreign policy.

It is time to

1:02:261:02:30

officially recognise Jerusalem as

the capital of Israel.

We will be

1:02:301:02:40

live in the House of Commons as

Labour asks and irked and question

1:02:401:02:45

about President Trump's decision.

And Resham Khan who suffered life

1:02:451:02:50

changing injuries after a stranger

threw acid at her.

Acid attacks are

1:02:501:02:58

not just something people can wake

up to the next day and continue

1:02:581:03:02

normally. I am making big decisions

and big changes in life. There are a

1:03:021:03:09

lot of things I would have liked to

have done that I cannot do any more.

1:03:091:03:13

She has gone on to campaign for a

change in the law on the sale of

1:03:131:03:19

acid. We will hear from her straight

after the news and sport.

1:03:191:03:28

It's been revealed the outgoing

vice-chancellor of Bath Spa

1:03:281:03:30

University was paid over £800,000

for her last year in the role.

1:03:301:03:33

We'll ask the University and College

Union what they make of that sum.

1:03:331:03:38

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news.

1:03:401:03:48

The leader of the Palestinian

Islamist movement Hamas has called

1:03:481:03:51

for a new intifada or popular

uprising following President Trump's

1:03:511:03:55

recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's

capital. The decision has been

1:03:551:03:59

widely condemned including by some

of America's closest allies such as

1:03:591:04:03

Britain, France and Saudi Arabia.

The UN Security Council will hold an

1:04:031:04:07

emergency meeting tomorrow to debate

the move. The number of people

1:04:071:04:12

arrested for terror related offences

has soared. 400 people were held in

1:04:121:04:16

the 12

1:04:161:04:17

months to the end of September, an

increase of

1:04:171:04:29

54% on the year before. 64 of the

arrests were related to the London

1:04:321:04:35

and Manchester terror attacks. 30

people were prosecuted in total and

1:04:351:04:37

all were found guilty. A further 65

people are awaiting prosecution.

1:04:371:04:39

The Irish Prime Minister,

Leo Varadkar, has said Theresa May

1:04:391:04:42

is expected to put forward

a new offer on the issue

1:04:421:04:44

of the Irish border later today.

1:04:441:04:46

A draft agreement between Mrs May

and the European Union,

1:04:461:04:48

which would have allowed the Brexit

negotiations to move on to trade,

1:04:481:04:51

was blocked on Monday

by the Democratic Unionists.

1:04:511:04:53

19 Tory MPs who back a soft Brexit

have written to Mrs May,

1:04:531:04:56

saying it was highly irresponsible

for anyone to dictate terms

1:04:561:04:58

which may scupper a deal.

1:04:581:05:00

The Defence Secretary,

Gavin Williamson, has said no

1:05:001:05:08

British citizen who has

fought for the so-called

1:05:081:05:11

Islamic State group should

be allowed back into the country.

1:05:111:05:13

Mr Williamson, who was promoted

to his post last month, told

1:05:131:05:16

the Daily Mail that the fighters

should be hunted down and killed,

1:05:161:05:18

because "a dead terrorist couldn't

cause any harm to Britain".

1:05:181:05:21

The number of patients waiting more

than four hours in accident

1:05:211:05:24

and emergency departments in the UK

has more than doubled

1:05:241:05:29

since 2013.

1:05:301:05:31

Research by the BBC has found over

3 million people experienced longer

1:05:311:05:34

waits than the A&E target

in the last 12 months.

1:05:341:05:36

The accounts of Bath Spa University

show that its departing

1:05:361:05:39

vice-chancellor, Professor Christina

Slade, received more than £800,000

1:05:391:05:42

last year in pay and benefits.

1:05:421:05:46

Ten days ago, the vice-chancellor

of Bath University announced

1:05:461:05:48

she would step down in 2019

after complaints from students

1:05:481:05:52

and staff about her pay.

1:05:521:05:54

The University and College Union

said the pay and pensions of some

1:05:541:05:57

senior staff made them look

greedy and out of touch.

1:05:571:06:02

Around 2,000 customers are without

power in the Western Isles

1:06:021:06:04

because of damage caused by Storm

Caroline.

1:06:041:06:06

The Met Office has issued an amber,

be prepared, weather warning

1:06:061:06:10

for northern Scotland,

with gusts of up to 80mph expected.

1:06:101:06:15

There is disruption to ferries

and the rail network

1:06:151:06:18

and restrictions are in place

across exposed bridges.

1:06:181:06:24

The largest and most

expensive warship ever built

1:06:241:06:26

for the Royal Navy will officially

join the service today.

1:06:261:06:29

The Queen will commission

the new aircraft carrier,

1:06:291:06:32

HMS Queen Elizabeth,

at a ceremony in Portsmouth attended

1:06:321:06:35

by 4,000 people.

1:06:351:06:36

The ship, which won't take part

in military operations until 2021,

1:06:361:06:38

cost more than £3 billion.

1:06:381:06:43

A fast-moving wildfire in southern

California has hit the US state's

1:06:431:06:47

main costal highway and reached

the Pacific Ocean according

1:06:471:06:49

to firefighters tackling the blaze.

1:06:491:06:55

The homes of more than 150,000

people have been evacuated

1:06:551:06:57

in an area north of Los Angeles

and hundreds of buildings

1:06:571:07:00

have been damaged.

1:07:001:07:04

Strong winds are expected to hinder

efforts to contain the fire

1:07:041:07:07

which is endangering

some 12,000 properties.

1:07:071:07:09

The Australian parliament

has passed a bill to

1:07:091:07:11

legalise same-sex marriage.

1:07:111:07:12

The bill was passed after a long

debate in which more

1:07:121:07:14

than 100 MPs spoke.

1:07:141:07:15

The vote follows a referendum

earlier this year, which showed

1:07:151:07:18

a majority of people support

the change.

1:07:181:07:20

Our Sydney correspondent said it

marked the end of years of political

1:07:201:07:22

wrangling.

1:07:221:07:24

A feathered dinosaur,

resembling a swan, has been

1:07:241:07:25

discovered by scientists.

1:07:251:07:27

The creature had scythe-like

claws, a reptilian tail

1:07:271:07:29

and a beak lined with teeth.

1:07:291:07:31

It's thought to have lived

75 million years ago,

1:07:311:07:35

and was a therapod,

like Tyrannosaurus Rex.

1:07:351:07:39

It may have been the first dinosaur

to adopt the lifestyle

1:07:391:07:41

of a modern-day water bird.

1:07:411:07:44

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

1:07:441:07:46

More at 10.30am.

1:07:461:07:52

Thank you. I promised you I would

read Rachel's e-mail about her

1:07:521:07:57

weight at A&E. It is quite long,

absolutely worth it. In March, I was

1:07:571:08:02

hit by a car in a hit and run

accident. I never lost

1:08:021:08:07

consciousness, so no ambulance was

dispatched. The police transferred

1:08:071:08:11

me to A&E without the lights on and

so I was stuck in the car for over

1:08:111:08:15

half an hour in traffic. At AMD, I

could not remember my name or date

1:08:151:08:21

of birth. There was no seating

available so eventually an older

1:08:211:08:25

lady gave me her seat and she sat on

the floor. An hour later, I was seen

1:08:251:08:29

by triage and given morphine. I was

told I needed x-rays. I waited three

1:08:291:08:34

more hours to be taken by wheelchair

to x-ray. Once this was done, I

1:08:341:08:41

waited four more hours to have

someone look at the x-rays. After

1:08:411:08:44

waiting so long, the morphine had

worn off and I was becoming quite

1:08:441:08:48

teary. The doctor then said, there

is nothing wrong, I should take

1:08:481:08:52

paracetamol and ID proof in. I had

to fight for a wrist brace as it was

1:08:521:08:57

hurting so much. I left A&E thinking

I should not be in pain. I woke up

1:08:571:09:03

in excruciating pain and I ran my

doctor and insisted I was seen. No

1:09:031:09:07

appointments were available so I

settled for a telephone appointment.

1:09:071:09:10

My doctors gave me painkillers. I

tried to rebuild my life. Four weeks

1:09:101:09:15

after the accident, I went back to

the doctor and said my wrist was not

1:09:151:09:19

right. He said, wait, it is still

settling down. I went back after six

1:09:191:09:23

weeks, I said, it is not right. They

told me to wait. It took me pleading

1:09:231:09:28

with the doctor 12 weeks after the

accident for them to refer me for

1:09:281:09:32

physio. It took six weeks for a

physio appointment for them to say,

1:09:321:09:36

I am in too much pain for

physiotherapy to help. I was then

1:09:361:09:43

referred to the pain clinic and I

have since been under them. The

1:09:431:09:46

physio is still insisting I am in

too much pain for any help. Wow. I

1:09:461:09:49

am really sorry about that, Rachel.

Goodness me, a catalogue of

1:09:491:10:01

awfulness. We will talk more about

A&E waiting times. Now let us talk

1:10:011:10:09

about the sport.

1:10:091:10:13

Well, Liverpool boss Jurgen Klopp

is still fearing a tough draw

1:10:131:10:16

for the last 16 of

the Champions League,

1:10:161:10:18

despite his team finishing top

of their group with a 7-nil

1:10:181:10:20

demolition of Spartak Moscow at

Anfield.

1:10:201:10:22

It included a hat-trick

for Phillipe Coutinho,

1:10:221:10:23

as well as another

couple for Sadio Mane.

1:10:231:10:25

Their victory also

1:10:251:10:26

means five English teams

reach the knockout stages

1:10:261:10:28

of the competition

for the first time.

1:10:281:10:37

Last 16, Champions League, there are

always strong size, this year, it is

1:10:371:10:41

special. I do not think you can

often face Bayern Munich and real

1:10:411:10:45

Madrid in the last 16 if you win the

group. And all the others. So that

1:10:451:10:53

is quite interesting.

1:10:531:10:56

Fernando Llorente got his

first goal for Spurs,

1:10:561:10:58

as a much-changed side beat

Apoel Nicosia 3-0 at Wembley.

1:10:581:11:02

Spurs go through as group winners.

1:11:021:11:08

As do Manchester City,

who were beaten for

1:11:081:11:11

the first time in 29 games.

1:11:111:11:14

Pep Guardiola also made a raft

of changes as they went down 2-1

1:11:141:11:17

at Shaktar Donetsk in Ukraine.

1:11:171:11:23

Well, after defeat in the first two

Ashes Tests and criticism over

1:11:231:11:30

a lack of fighting spirit,

what England wouldn't give

1:11:301:11:33

to see Ben Stokes back out

on the field with them.

1:11:331:11:35

That remains highly unlikely

but Stokes has been named

1:11:351:11:40

in the one-day squad

for the five-match series

1:11:401:11:42

against Australia in the new year.

1:11:421:11:43

Andy Swiss has more from Adelaide.

1:11:431:11:47

England now know they have a

mountain to climb if they are to

1:11:471:11:51

retain the Cabinet ashes. They have

a warm up game in Perth this weekend

1:11:511:11:56

before the Test gets under way next

week. If Australia win the Test,

1:11:561:12:01

they will read in the Ashes. England

have not won in Perth since 1978.

1:12:011:12:08

One man who is not here with England

is Ben Stokes. He is currently

1:12:081:12:13

playing domestic cricket in New

Zealand. We have had the news he has

1:12:131:12:17

been named in England's one-day

squad for their series here in

1:12:171:12:21

January. Ben Stokes is waiting to

find out at the moment if he will be

1:12:211:12:25

charged over an incident in Bristol

in September. Despite being named in

1:12:251:12:29

the squad, he is still currently

unavailable for selection until the

1:12:291:12:34

Crown Prosecution Service decides

whether to charge him and until the

1:12:341:12:39

England and Wales Cricket Board

decide whether to take any

1:12:391:12:42

disciplinary action. As things stand

at the moment, Ben Stokes is still

1:12:421:12:46

unavailable to play.

1:12:461:12:48

Russian Athletes could still stage

the first Olympic boycott

1:12:481:12:51

since 1984.

1:12:511:12:52

The country has been

banned by the IOC

1:12:521:12:54

from taking part in next year's

Winter Games in South Korea.

1:12:541:13:01

Russian athletes who prove

they are clean likely

1:13:011:13:03

to be able to take part,

but IOC President Thomas Bach says

1:13:031:13:06

a final decision on that

will be made next week.

1:13:061:13:08

If allowed, though, those deemed

clean may still protest

1:13:081:13:10

by choosing not to take part.

1:13:101:13:16

More on that in the coming days and

weeks. That is all the sport for

1:13:161:13:21

now. More little bit later on. Good

morning.

1:13:211:13:25

This summer, 21-year-old Resham Khan

suffered life-changing injuries

1:13:251:13:27

after a stranger threw acid

at her as she sat in

1:13:271:13:29

a car with her cousin.

1:13:291:13:32

She's gone on to campaign to change

the law on selling acid.

1:13:321:13:38

And earlier this year, she was named

one of BBC's 100 Women.

1:13:381:13:41

Her attacker, John Tomlin,

has admitted to causing her grievous

1:13:411:13:43

bodily harm and is due to be

sentenced in January.

1:13:431:13:53

Resham Khan has told the BBC

1:13:531:13:54

she pities her attacker

but still can't understand

1:13:541:13:56

why he did it.

1:13:561:13:58

Acid attacks aren't just something

people can wake up to the next day

1:13:581:14:02

and continue on normally

with, you know.

1:14:021:14:06

I am making big decisions

in life and big changes.

1:14:061:14:09

There's a lot of things I would have

liked to have done that

1:14:091:14:12

I just can't do any more.

1:14:121:14:18

Resham Khan and her

cousin, Jamil Mukhtar,

1:14:181:14:21

suffered face and neck

injuries when the acid was thrown

1:14:211:14:23

through their car window...

1:14:231:14:25

She and her cousin were attacked

with a corrosive substance...

1:14:251:14:28

Left with life-changing injuries.

1:14:281:14:29

The petition calls for

the law to be changed...

1:14:291:14:31

They tried to drive off,

crashed the car in a fence

1:14:311:14:33

and this man just ran off...

1:14:331:14:35

I was trapped in the car,

in the burning car.

1:14:351:14:42

Then I got out through the driver's

side from where my cousin had run

1:14:421:14:45

off, and then we spent the next 40,

45 minutes screaming

1:14:451:14:48

and looking for water.

1:14:481:14:51

I ran around, I think,

the A13 in my underwear,

1:14:511:14:54

on my 21st birthday.

1:14:541:14:56

I think I blogged, honestly,

for a bit of self-help

1:14:561:14:58

therapy, you know.

1:14:581:15:04

I still have not received any

therapy or counselling or anything

1:15:041:15:07

along those lines so I think

getting my thoughts out to somebody,

1:15:071:15:10

even though it was anybody,

helped a lot because it made me

1:15:101:15:13

confront my own feelings.

1:15:131:15:17

Also I did get a lot of messages

in regards to the way

1:15:171:15:20

I was being so public and how

I was helping other people

1:15:201:15:24

and I thought if I was helping

others, why not just continue

1:15:241:15:28

and make it accessible, a bit more

easily accessible for people to see.

1:15:281:15:33

You do not need to waste any time

or effort working on your outside

1:15:331:15:37

because you should be concentrating

on your inside.

1:15:371:15:39

Your inside.

1:15:391:15:43

Everything becomes a struggle these

days, from morning until night.

1:15:431:15:47

If I'm not waking, up I'm in pain,

if I'm not in pain, I'm

1:15:471:15:52

struggling with make-up.

1:15:521:15:55

If I'm not struggling with make-up,

I'm struggling to find something

1:15:551:15:58

that covers the marks,

or I'm debating whether

1:15:581:16:01

or not to cover them.

1:16:011:16:03

I think if I have more than ten

minutes an hour to think,

1:16:031:16:07

things get difficult real quick.

1:16:071:16:10

So I try to just keep

busy or keep distracted.

1:16:101:16:15

I'm aware that keeping

distracted in the wrong things

1:16:151:16:17

could lead me down the wrong path

so I try to keep level headed.

1:16:171:16:21

I'm treated a bit differently now.

1:16:211:16:23

You know...

1:16:231:16:26

I used to be that person that

felt attractive and knew

1:16:261:16:31

they were attractive so I used

to like completely own that.

1:16:311:16:34

Spending my money...

1:16:341:16:38

It's a birthday.

1:16:381:16:41

Before this all happened to me,

I had a very clear idea

1:16:411:16:44

of where I wanted to be

in five years.

1:16:441:16:46

Happy birthday to you...

1:16:461:16:48

I knew where I wanted

to be in the future.

1:16:481:16:52

And now I feel like, although I'm

trying to stay on a good path,

1:16:521:16:55

I have no idea where life

is going to take me.

1:16:551:16:59

At first, I got down about that.

1:16:591:17:03

But now I'm just trying

to find the good in it all.

1:17:031:17:06

I was extremely happy when acid

was made an offensive weapon.

1:17:061:17:10

To me, that was success.

1:17:101:17:16

But no-one was particularly thrilled

about when it was banned

1:17:161:17:20

from under-18s buying it.

1:17:201:17:24

We all kind of just thought,

why are under-18s already allowed

1:17:241:17:29

to buy corrosive substances?

1:17:291:17:31

Although it was something

we were campaigning for,

1:17:311:17:33

for the whole of the UK,

my attacker, for example,

1:17:331:17:36

was not under the age of 18.

1:17:361:17:39

I think in terms of making changes

in the justice system,

1:17:391:17:44

people in this country shouldn't

just be concerned with this country.

1:17:441:17:50

I realise it's such a global issue

and it's made me wonder why people

1:17:501:17:53

are so concerned with the things

happening on their doorstep,

1:17:531:17:57

as opposed to all around

the world, you know.

1:17:571:17:59

What difference does it make if it

happens to me and if it

1:17:591:18:04

happens to somebody

4,000, 5,000 miles away?

1:18:041:18:09

When I look in the mirror,

I see a constant reflection

1:18:171:18:20

of what happened on my birthday.

1:18:201:18:23

I have half of the old me

and half of the new me.

1:18:231:18:27

I'm not sure if I should

be happy about that,

1:18:271:18:30

about having some part of me saved.

1:18:301:18:34

Or if I should just hate

the thought of being tormented

1:18:341:18:37

with the before and afters.

1:18:371:18:40

Since being attacked,

my view on beauty has changed

1:18:401:18:44

because instead of looking to be

somebody else, I'm now trying

1:18:441:18:49

to look the best version of me.

1:18:491:18:55

If I could speak to the attacker,

I would then ask him why he threw

1:18:551:18:59

acid over us and I just

pity him, you know.

1:18:591:19:03

His violence, in a split

second destroyed my life,

1:19:031:19:08

my cousin's life, his life,

all the lives and it was

1:19:081:19:11

just never worth it.

1:19:111:19:14

There's just nothing to say

to somebody that ruins

1:19:141:19:16

everything for themselves.

1:19:161:19:25

Quite a remarkable woman. One of the

BBC's 100 women of 2017, a list of

1:19:251:19:36

inspirational and innovative women.

You can see the list on the website.

1:19:361:19:47

We've reported on the plight

of the Rohingya people

1:19:471:19:49

many times this year.

1:19:491:19:50

We've brought you their horrific

experiences of violence,

1:19:501:19:52

rape and murder in Myanmar

at the hands of

1:19:521:19:54

government soldiers.

1:19:541:19:55

The government of Myanmar,

a predominately Buddhist country,

1:19:551:19:57

claims the Rohingya people

are illegal immigrants

1:19:571:19:59

from neighbouring Bangladesh and has

denied them citizenship,

1:19:591:20:01

leaving them stateless.

1:20:011:20:05

As a result, they've become

the fastest, largest majority ethnic

1:22:051:22:08

refugee population in human history.

1:22:081:22:13

They've fled their homes

and crossed the border

1:22:131:22:15

to the safety of Bangladesh.

1:22:151:22:18

There are now over half a million

refugees at the camp there.

1:22:181:22:23

It's the biggest refugee

camp in the world

1:22:231:22:27

and it's where disease

and malnutrition are spreading.

1:22:271:22:33

Let's talk now to Dr Ian Cross.

1:22:331:22:35

He's a doctor for Medecins

Sans Frontieres who has

1:22:351:22:37

just come back from Bangladesh

where he was helping to vaccinate

1:22:371:22:39

hundreds of thousands of refugees.

1:22:391:22:47

This is his first British TV

interview. Hello. What are you

1:22:471:22:51

vaccinating people against?

Measles.

When I first arrived in the camp two

1:22:511:22:58

months ago we had six cases and I

thought this is going to be

1:22:581:23:02

disaster. These people are crushed

together in a very dense population.

1:23:021:23:07

Measles spreads extremely quickly.

We did not have permission to

1:23:071:23:11

vaccinate until about three weeks

ago when we got permission. Our

1:23:111:23:15

bosses said, we are going to do

300,000 vaccinations in 12 days. I

1:23:151:23:21

said, you cannot do 300,012 days.

Well, they did not, they managed

1:23:211:23:28

170,000 vaccinations. Imagine how

many needles, syringes, the

1:23:281:23:33

organisation, getting the

vaccinations add to people in

1:23:331:23:35

account that is 3000 acres of March

with no roads. It is difficult to

1:23:351:23:40

get supplies to the far ends of the

camp.

Remind people what measles can

1:23:401:23:45

do to the body?

We have had three

deaths. It starts off with a rash on

1:23:451:23:51

the forehead and the face and moves

down the body.

1:23:511:23:53

If you are lucky it will go into

your lungs and you get pneumonia and

1:23:571:24:01

it affects your guts and you get

diarrhoea and that is what kills

1:24:011:24:04

them. We are seeing 20 children a

day with severe, acute malnutrition.

1:24:041:24:10

If they got me goes, they would not

have the resilience to overcome the

1:24:101:24:15

infection.

I will ask you about

malnutrition in a moment. You also

1:24:151:24:19

sought tetanus which is something

you had not seen for decades.

40

1:24:191:24:23

years since I saw a case in Britain.

We saw seven cases. A few children

1:24:231:24:31

with neonatal tetanus. This is

caused by infections of the

1:24:311:24:35

umbilical cord. But also a few older

children as well. The problem is the

1:24:351:24:42

Rohingya have not had any systematic

vaccination coverage for decades,

1:24:421:24:46

they have been denied health care.

Unicef provided clinics and tried to

1:24:461:24:51

do vaccination there but it has not

been enough.

Explain to our audience

1:24:511:24:56

why you found it challenging to

differentiate between little boys

1:24:561:24:58

and little girls.

I found it very

strange when I looked at the

1:24:581:25:05

children and I thought I cannot tell

if it was a boy or a girl. They were

1:25:051:25:10

all wearing boys' clothes. Then I

found out the parents had cut the

1:25:101:25:16

girls' hair and had dressed them

like boys because they were

1:25:161:25:21

frightened the soldiers would rate

them. We saw a few cases of under

1:25:211:25:25

ten little girls who had been raped.

We saw almost 100 cases of rape and

1:25:251:25:30

sexual pilots in the hospital where

I work.

Girls under ten being raped

1:25:301:25:37

by soldiers before they fled

Myanmar?

Yes. It is awful, it is

1:25:371:25:45

appalling.

It is soul destroying.

Absolutely and it is not the only

1:25:451:25:50

horrific thing. One of my patients

had a club foot and he was not able

1:25:501:25:55

to walk. When the soldiers came into

the village he had to crawl out of

1:25:551:25:59

the hut. The soldiers caught him.

They did not execute him, they shot

1:25:591:26:05

him in his club foot. What horror is

that trying to broadcast to the

1:26:051:26:10

Rohingya people? We have got power,

we can do anything we like to you.

1:26:101:26:16

Tell us about the grandmother who I

think you manage to reunite in that

1:26:161:26:20

camp, which is the biggest refugee

camp in the world, hundreds of

1:26:201:26:25

thousands of people. She had become

separated, what happened?

We are

1:26:251:26:32

talking about 620,000. I come from

Leicester and that is two Lesters,

1:26:321:26:40

huge amount of people. At night they

do not want to have torches because

1:26:401:26:46

the soldiers might see the light and

they Mike shooter then, the soldiers

1:26:461:26:50

are based on the Myanmar side.

Unfortunately this family lost

1:26:501:26:56

contact with their grandmother as

she was coming through the forest.

1:26:561:26:58

She had had a stroke and she had

cataracts so she could not see

1:26:581:27:02

clearly and she was abandoned. The

next morning she woke up and she was

1:27:021:27:09

being eaten by dogs, wild dogs in

the forest. Luckily there was some

1:27:091:27:17

UN personnel who were patrolling the

area looking for stragglers. They

1:27:171:27:21

found her and brought her to our

hospital and after a few days after

1:27:211:27:26

we sorted her out and bade her

comfortable in her family appeared.

1:27:261:27:30

She was reunited and they would just

delighted.

When you say hospital, do

1:27:301:27:34

you mean hospital?

It is like a

health centre with beds. When we

1:27:341:27:42

started at the beginning of August

we had 50 beds and 250 people coming

1:27:421:27:47

in with gunshot wounds, mine blast

injuries in the course of a few

1:27:471:27:51

weeks, so we realised we had to

expand and we moved up to 81 beds.

1:27:511:27:55

This means putting up a bamboo

structure with plastic roofing. We

1:27:551:28:00

do not turn people away. Our

paediatric ward has 16 beds but we

1:28:001:28:04

often have 30 plus people in there.

We have mattresses on the floor, two

1:28:041:28:10

families share the same actors. We

do our best.

What are people living

1:28:101:28:17

in and under? What sort of shelter?

When you come across the border you

1:28:171:28:22

are issued with bamboo and plastic

sheeting. You break the bamboo poles

1:28:221:28:27

into fine rods and you stretch the

plastic over those rods like a sheet

1:28:271:28:31

and you put those together. They

will not withstand heavy rain. You

1:28:311:28:37

are building on mud and they wash

away in the first monsoons. If there

1:28:371:28:42

is a cyclone, we are in really big

trouble.

You talked about seeing 20

1:28:421:28:47

children are they suffering from

malnutrition. Just describe what a

1:28:471:28:52

five-year-old child looks like if

they have malnutrition.

Very thin

1:28:521:28:57

and stunted as well. There are

children who are maybe six months

1:28:571:29:05

and two and a half and the child

looks hardly any different from six

1:29:051:29:10

months to two and a half years, only

one kilogram difference in their

1:29:101:29:13

wake. We measure them by weight and

we do their length and we make a

1:29:131:29:18

calculation and we do mid arm

circumference. It can be green,

1:29:181:29:24

yellow Allred and red is the worst

kind. So it is here. Yes, mid to

1:29:241:29:31

upper arm. If I did not have my

tape, I could use my finger. So the

1:29:311:29:38

child's upper arm fits into that and

they are malnourished. Those

1:29:381:29:43

children were not malnourished, they

were ill and malnourished. We had to

1:29:431:29:48

sort out pneumonia, diarrhoea and

whatever conditions they had. When

1:29:481:29:51

we got them to a reasonable

condition medically they could go on

1:29:511:29:55

and have further food supplements.

Do you think, OK, this is my job, I

1:29:551:30:04

have got to get my head down, I have

got to get on with it? Are you

1:30:041:30:08

affected by it?

On day 14 people

died. I am a doctor, I am used to

1:30:081:30:15

people dying. I am the last line of

defence. I am thinking I am doing

1:30:151:30:20

everything I can for these people

and I am not good enough.

1:30:201:30:22

Self-doubt. But then I realised, you

are here, you have got to do your

1:30:221:30:28

best and you just get down to it. It

is easy being a doctor because you

1:30:281:30:32

have a practical skill to offer. If

you sat at home and thought about

1:30:321:30:36

what happened to these people, you

would feel powerless to do anything.

1:30:361:30:40

I am lucky I have got the skills to

be able to do that.

1:30:401:30:48

You are not a politician, you are a

medical professional, what has to

1:30:481:30:53

change?

I have not met any Rohingya

refugees who have told me they would

1:30:531:30:58

be willing to go back to Myanmar.

They would rather stay in the filthy

1:30:581:31:03

camp with plastic walls and roof

rather than go back to the killing

1:31:031:31:08

and the torture they suffered there.

It was just heartbreaking.

Thank you

1:31:081:31:14

very much for talking to us. We

really appreciate your time. A

1:31:141:31:20

doctor back from Bangladesh. We will

cross now to the House of Commons

1:31:201:31:25

where Foreign Office Minister

Alistair Burt is responding to

1:31:251:31:28

President Trump's decision to name

Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

1:31:281:31:34

Our position on the status of

Jerusalem is clear and

1:31:341:31:38

long-standing. It should be

determined in a negotiated

1:31:381:31:41

settlement between the Israelis and

Palestinians and Jerusalem should

1:31:411:31:45

ultimately be the shared capital of

the Israeli and Palestinian states.

1:31:451:31:50

In line with relevant Security

Council resolutions, we regard east

1:31:501:31:54

Jerusalem as part of the occupied

Palestinian territories. We share

1:31:541:31:58

President Trump's desire to bring an

end to this conflict. We welcome his

1:31:581:32:05

commitment to a two state solution

and note the importance of his clear

1:32:051:32:10

acknowledgement that the final

status of Jerusalem must be subject

1:32:101:32:14

to negotiations between the Israelis

and Palestinians. We encourage the

1:32:141:32:18

US administration to bring forward

detailed proposals for an Israel-

1:32:181:32:22

Palestinian settlement. To succeed,

the peace process must be conducted

1:32:221:32:27

in an atmosphere free from violence

and we call on all parties to work

1:32:271:32:32

together to maintain calm at a

crucial time.

Thank you, Mr Speaker.

1:32:321:32:40

Thank you for granting the surge in

question and I welcome the opening

1:32:401:32:42

remarks. -- granting this urgent

question. For all of us in this

1:32:421:32:49

House and beyond who have worked

tirelessly for lasting peace in the

1:32:491:32:54

Middle East, yesterday's decision

took a hammer blow to the hopes.

1:32:541:32:56

There is a reason that before

yesterday no other country would

1:32:561:33:01

locate their embassy in Jerusalem

and no other country would recognise

1:33:011:33:07

Jerusalem as Israel's capital

because to do either thing let alone

1:33:071:33:10

both confers legitimacy on Israel's

occupation of east Jerusalem, and

1:33:101:33:15

not patient with no basis in

international law. The sheer

1:33:151:33:23

recklessness of that decision needs

no debate. Donald Trump is not

1:33:231:33:26

crying fire in a crowded theatre, he

is deliberately setting fire to the

1:33:261:33:31

theatre. Then he has the

unbelievable cheek to claim he is

1:33:311:33:34

doing it to move forward the peace

process when in reality, he is

1:33:341:33:38

setting it back decades. As usual,

as with the Muslim ban, the Paris

1:33:381:33:44

agreement, the orang deal, the

question for the UK Government is,

1:33:441:33:48

first, what are they going to do

about this mess? -- the Iran deal.

1:33:481:33:55

How will we work with our other

allies to fill the void? Secondly,

1:33:551:34:02

when will the Government admit they

have got their strategy with Donald

1:34:021:34:07

Trump totally wrong? They told us

that holding his hand and hugging

1:34:071:34:10

him close, indulging him with the

offer of a state visit, that was the

1:34:101:34:16

best way of shaping his policies. On

Jerusalem, as on so many other

1:34:161:34:21

issues, they have been made to look

like fools, ignored, weeks, entirely

1:34:211:34:28

without influence. When will they

realise bending over for a bully

1:34:281:34:33

only encourages that behaviour? What

our country and the world needs is a

1:34:331:34:38

British Government prepared to stand

up to him.

I thank the right

1:34:381:34:45

honourable lady for her comments and

questions. I agree that a difficult

1:34:451:34:51

consensus has been broken. The

honourable lady is right, the

1:34:511:34:56

international consensus around the

status of Jerusalem has been one of

1:34:561:34:59

the things we have all held on to it

during a period when the ultimate

1:34:591:35:06

settlement, the final settlement,

has yet to be agreed. It has always

1:35:061:35:10

been seen as part of the process at

the end of the negotiated

1:35:101:35:14

settlement, then the status of

Jerusalem would be confirmed. The US

1:35:141:35:19

has taken a decision about itself

and the location of its embassy. I

1:35:191:35:24

think in answer to her final point

about the UK's position towards

1:35:241:35:28

President Trump, we make it clear we

disagree with the decision, the

1:35:281:35:32

Prime Minister has said it is

unhelpful, it is not a decision we

1:35:321:35:35

would take. We have to decide what

we do know. The first thing we can

1:35:351:35:40

do and we have co-sponsored a

meeting tomorrow at the UN Security

1:35:401:35:49

Council when this will be discussed,

we have co-sponsored it with

1:35:491:35:51

European partners because it

provides the opportunity to take

1:35:511:35:53

stock of where we are and how to

move forward. There are two

1:35:531:35:56

opportunities, one is just to dwell

on this decision in the US which

1:35:561:36:00

people will for a while, and just

leave that sitting there, the other

1:36:001:36:04

is to decide what we do now. I think

it is imperative that the work the

1:36:041:36:10

envoys have been doing, the

President's invoice, they have

1:36:101:36:13

shared with the number of partners,

we need to see it, and more quickly

1:36:131:36:18

than people anticipated -- the

President's envoys. The process has

1:36:181:36:25

to move on. If the process was

derailed by this, it would compound

1:36:251:36:29

the unhelpful as of the decision.

That is what we want to talk about.

1:36:291:36:34

In terms of the longer term

relationship with the US which she

1:36:341:36:38

mentioned, a relationship is very

deep, defence, intelligence,

1:36:381:36:42

security, trade, a multitude of

things, it has done for centuries,

1:36:421:36:46

it will go on for centuries. We

respect an elected president, but we

1:36:461:36:51

know the relationship with the US is

much deeper and the UK will continue

1:36:511:37:00

to honour the relationship in its

many forms.

Alistair Burt, Foreign

1:37:001:37:02

Office Minister. We also heard from

Emily Thornberry. The leader of

1:37:021:37:11

Hamas is calling for a popular

uprising following President Trump's

1:37:111:37:17

recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's

capital. As Alistair Burt was making

1:37:171:37:21

clear, Britain does not support the

decision.

1:37:211:37:35

The fate of Jerusalem is one of the

most challenging issues between

1:37:431:37:47

Israelis and Palestinians. Gabriel

Gatehouse explains why. In 1948,

1:37:471:37:52

when the Jewish state was born,

Israel proclaimed Jerusalem its

1:37:521:37:56

capital, but on the ground, the city

was divided into Western and eastern

1:37:561:38:01

sectors. Israel controlled the West,

Jordan administered the largely

1:38:011:38:06

Palestinian east, including the old

city. Then came the war of 1967, in

1:38:061:38:11

six days, the same time it took the

God of the old testament to create

1:38:111:38:15

the world, Israel redrew the map of

the Middle East. The shape of the

1:38:151:38:19

current conflict has its roots in

that historical moment. Israel

1:38:191:38:23

seized the eastern part of the city

and expanded the city limits. Under

1:38:231:38:29

international law, east Jerusalem is

occupied territory and the

1:38:291:38:31

Palestinians want to see it become

the capital of a future independent

1:38:311:38:35

state. In 1995, Congress passed an

act requiring the US government to

1:38:351:38:41

move its embassy from Tel Aviv to

Jerusalem. Since then, every six

1:38:411:38:46

months, every president has deferred

that move on the grounds of national

1:38:461:38:50

security. President Obama's

successor promised to put an end to

1:38:501:38:55

it.

This is nothing more or less

than a recognition of reality. It is

1:38:551:39:02

also the right thing to do. It is

something that has to be done.

And

1:39:021:39:08

with that, at a stroke, many

diplomats fear America's crucial

1:39:081:39:13

role as peace broker has been

fatally undermined. Our Middle East

1:39:131:39:19

editor, Jeremy

1:39:191:39:20

Bowen is on the plane to Tel Aviv.

1:39:201:39:24

As he boarded the plane, I asked him

if President Trump's hope of ending

1:39:241:39:27

failure in the Middle

East is realistic.

1:39:271:39:31

I don't think it's particularly

realistic because while a lot

1:39:311:39:33

of Israelis are very happy

about this announcement,

1:39:331:39:39

a lot of Palestinians weren't.

1:39:391:39:49

If you want to make

a deal, you have to have

1:39:491:39:51

something both sides like.

1:39:511:39:52

Does it signal then he values

a Middle East peace deal

1:39:521:39:55

less than he values US

relations with Israel?

1:39:551:39:57

Well, he says he really does value

a Middle East peace deal but I think

1:39:571:40:00

what he really values for the time

being is keeping an election promise

1:40:001:40:03

to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv

to Jerusalem and also,

1:40:031:40:10

I think close relations with Israel

are a real priority for him.

1:40:101:40:14

While he's said a lot of things

which he may have thought sounded OK

1:40:141:40:20

about two-state solution and so on,

you can see from...

1:40:201:40:25

It is not just from the Palestinians

but people around the world, it is

1:40:251:40:31

only Mr Trump and his supporters in

America and Israel, and a lot of

1:40:311:40:36

Israelis think it is perfectly OK

for an embassy to be in Jerusalem,

1:40:361:40:40

most Israelis would say that.

1:40:401:40:44

So I think as a result

of all of that, it makes any kind

1:40:441:40:47

of future peace deal,

and there is no peace process

1:40:471:40:51

right now and hasn't

been for a long time,

1:40:511:40:59

it makes any kind of peace

deal harder to get.

1:40:591:41:09

Some are saying, look,

this could be a good approach

1:41:091:41:11

to the Israeli Palestinian peace

process because nothing anybody has

1:41:111:41:14

tried for 20 years has worked?

1:41:141:41:15

Maybe he's going to surprise us

all because there's a suggestion

1:41:151:41:18

that in the New Year,

they are going to unveil

1:41:181:41:20

their Middle East peace

plan, his son-in-law.

1:41:201:41:22

Jared Kushner, has been

working on it, travelling

1:41:221:41:24

around the region, and,

you know, perhaps there's

1:41:241:41:26

going to be some sort of surprise

and perhaps the announcement he made

1:41:261:41:29

yesterday is part of

a quid pro quo in Israel.

1:41:291:41:31

But, you know, I think people

would take him much more seriously

1:41:311:41:34

on the subject of peace if he wasn't

so loudly one-sided

1:41:341:41:37

in the way that he's been.

1:41:371:41:46

Fawaz Gerges is professor

of international relations

1:41:461:41:48

at the London School of Economics.

1:41:481:41:51

Hello.

What do you expect to happen

next?

What I fear is that Trump's

1:41:511:42:00

move could put Gaza into a raging

fire, provide a spark triggering a

1:42:001:42:07

fire in the Arab-Israeli conflict.

Hamas, a Palestinian resistance

1:42:071:42:12

group, is calling for another

intifada. Iran and its allies

1:42:121:42:19

calling for armed resistance. There

is a rallying cry in the Arab and

1:42:191:42:24

Islamic world. Remember, Victoria,

Jerusalem is not just sacred for the

1:42:241:42:28

Jewish people, it is sacred for the

dues, the Christians and the

1:42:281:42:33

Muslims. What I fear the most is

this particular move is seen as the

1:42:331:42:37

struggle that Trump is changing the

conflict between the Palestinians

1:42:371:42:43

and Israelis from a nationalist

struggle over a piece of land into a

1:42:431:42:47

very dangerous...

Even though he

offered... He said again, he is

1:42:471:42:56

committed to a two state solution to

the Israeli- Palestinian issue and

1:42:561:43:03

he insisted it did not prejudice

final settlement.

Look...

You do not

1:43:031:43:09

believe

not at all. He is a

destructive. If he was serious about

1:43:091:43:16

the peace process, OK, West

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel,

1:43:161:43:21

fine, but why not say occupied East

Jerusalem is the capital of a future

1:43:211:43:27

Palestinian state? Why not offer a

vision about a two-state solution?

1:43:271:43:31

Did he say anything about the

Palestinians? No one is saying West

1:43:311:43:35

Jerusalem is not the capital of

Israel, everyone is saying that the

1:43:351:43:40

city itself is contested. In fact,

the international community,

1:43:401:43:45

international law, it argues east

Jerusalem is an occupied city. Why

1:43:451:43:48

take sides? The situation... It is a

minefield, the cultural minefield.

1:43:481:43:56

We know President Trump 's

son-in-law has good relations with

1:43:561:44:03

the crown Prince of Saudi Arabia.

How significant is it that Saudi

1:44:031:44:09

Arabia has also condemned this?

If

you asked me what Donald Trump has

1:44:091:44:14

done, he has undermined America's

allies in the region, the Saudis,

1:44:141:44:19

the Jordanians, Egyptians. He says

he wants to create a coalition

1:44:191:44:21

against Iran, this is the best gift

Donald Trump has given to Iran

1:44:211:44:26

because for a long time Iran has

been saying, armed resistance... Now

1:44:261:44:31

it takes the higher ground and the

Saudis and the Jordanians and

1:44:311:44:36

Egyptians are terrified because it

provides ammunition and motivation

1:44:361:44:41

for Iran and its allies in the

region.

Isn't that Arab world's

1:44:411:44:46

chief preoccupation at the moment

the fight against Isis and wars in

1:44:461:44:51

Yemen and Syria?

You are correct,

the Middle East is imploding. Why

1:44:511:44:56

pour gasoline on and in raging fire?

Another major spark for the

1:44:561:45:03

conflict? Why now? Why play with

fire? That is exactly what we are

1:45:031:45:07

talking about. Let us resolve the

raging fires, put out the fires,

1:45:071:45:11

instead of creating a new one.

Thank

you very much for coming on the

1:45:111:45:15

programme.

1:45:151:45:20

The accounts of Bath Spa

University have shown

1:45:201:45:22

that its departing vice-chancellor,

Professor Christina Slade,

1:45:221:45:25

received more than £800,000 in pay

and benefits in her final year

1:45:251:45:28

in the post.

1:45:281:45:33

It is one of the smallest

universities in the country.

1:45:331:45:38

In the 2016/17 academic year.

1:45:381:45:39

Professor Slade received

a £429,000 compensation

1:45:391:45:41

payment for loss of office.

1:45:411:45:43

That's on top of a salary

of £250,000 as vice-chancellor.

1:45:431:45:47

She was also paid £129,000

in pension contributions,

1:45:471:45:51

housing allowance and other

benefits, taking

1:45:511:45:54

the total to £808,000.

1:45:541:45:58

The university has defended the pay

packet, with a spokeswoman saying,

1:45:581:46:01

"Having taken legal advice,

the University paid Professor Slade

1:46:011:46:05

a sum which reflected her

contractual and statutory

1:46:051:46:10

entitlements and was considered

to represent value for money."

1:46:101:46:17

She said the salary was the decided

by a pay committee.

1:46:171:46:24

This comes only ten days

after the vice-chancellor

1:46:241:46:26

of Bath University announced

that she would be stepping down

1:46:261:46:29

in 2019 after complaints

from students and staff

1:46:291:46:31

about her pay.

1:46:311:46:32

Joining me now is the general

secretary of the University

1:46:321:46:34

and College Union, Sally Hunt.

1:46:341:46:37

Hello.

What do your members make of

this?

It is another example in a

1:46:371:46:45

long line of university leaders who

seem to have lost the plot.

It is

1:46:451:46:50

nothing to do with the university

leaders, it is the pay committee.

It

1:46:501:46:55

is everything to do with a leader

who accept a pay packet and I have

1:46:551:46:59

to remind everyone two thirds of

vice chancellors either sit on the

1:46:591:47:03

remuneration committees...

She did

not sit on that committee.

Or accept

1:47:031:47:09

payments that come from committees

where the vast bulk of them will not

1:47:091:47:13

publish the reasons why they are

giving these pay rises. We are

1:47:131:47:18

worried about the fact the

university system is being brought

1:47:181:47:21

into disrepute. The members

represent have below inflation pay

1:47:211:47:26

rises done across the table, through

trade unions and collective

1:47:261:47:30

bargaining and their leaders are not

doing the same thing. It is the same

1:47:301:47:34

thing in the University of Bath,

Southampton. It is happening right

1:47:341:47:38

across the country.

The implication

is the statement from the University

1:47:381:47:43

is they took legal advice and this

was the cheaper option.

I suspect

1:47:431:47:48

the legal advice is telling them

that they have signed a contract and

1:47:481:47:51

they are bound into this. The

question is why they thought this

1:47:511:47:54

was good value for money in the

first place. We are talking about an

1:47:541:47:59

enormous amount of money set against

students with very high levels of

1:47:591:48:04

debt, start finding their pensions

are being attacked, knowing they

1:48:041:48:08

have a system under real pressure.

The point I keep coming back to is

1:48:081:48:12

leadership. It is about showing you

are doing what you are asking your

1:48:121:48:15

staff to do. If you are asking your

staff to do something in terms of

1:48:151:48:20

pay and pensions, you should be

doing the same thing. What has

1:48:201:48:24

happened at Bath is another example

of vice chancellors doing one thing

1:48:241:48:28

for themselves, which is nice, and

the others.

You will know that the

1:48:281:48:34

argument is in a global marketplace

you have to pay these kind of

1:48:341:48:37

salaries in order to get the best

people. Yes.

Yes. It is the vice

1:48:371:48:45

chancellors who are putting forward

that argument. Frankly I do not

1:48:451:48:48

believe it. If we are in a system

that is taking public money, funded

1:48:481:48:53

by students going into debt, you

have to have a rational, reasonable

1:48:531:48:57

level of pay. If you want to own

megabucks, go to the city, go

1:48:571:49:03

somewhere else. This is about

academia, education, public service

1:49:031:49:07

and public duty at its most basic

level. That is not about saying I

1:49:071:49:12

want large amounts of money. I

represent brilliant people queueing

1:49:121:49:16

up to do these kind of jobs, I do

not think we would have a problem, I

1:49:161:49:20

just do not.

But could they do those

jobs? Of course people are queueing

1:49:201:49:26

up for a package like this, but in

the end you are running a business.

1:49:261:49:30

You have got hundreds of staff,

thousands of students and you are at

1:49:301:49:35

the top person.

What is interesting

about this debate is we are ending

1:49:351:49:41

up scrutinising individual salaries

and the reason we are doing that is

1:49:411:49:45

because there is no transparency. We

have been asking for some kind of

1:49:451:49:48

pay register that shows where people

are paid and what they are paid. We

1:49:481:49:54

have asked for transparency in terms

of decision making, we have asked

1:49:541:49:57

for students to be on those bodies

so we understand it. If you get the

1:49:571:50:02

process right, you stop having the

argument, which can be a bit tacky,

1:50:021:50:06

about individuals.

Change the

make-up of the pay committees and

1:50:061:50:12

publish the minutes of those

meetings when they conclude what

1:50:121:50:14

they are going to pay their vice

Chancellor?

And what we have said to

1:50:141:50:19

the government and what Joe Johnson

the minister in charge of this has

1:50:191:50:22

said is we need to have some system

that says where you are paid over a

1:50:221:50:26

certain amount you have to explain

why. I think that is reasonable and

1:50:261:50:30

that deals with all senior pay which

then starts dealing with other wider

1:50:301:50:34

issues in terms of the quality of

pay between men and women and

1:50:341:50:41

minorities. If you do not have

clear, open systems, we know, and it

1:50:411:50:46

is not just in academia or my

sector, it is across the board,

1:50:461:50:50

things happen that are not

justifiable or explainable.

Until

1:50:501:50:53

that happens, let's assume it does

one day, until that happens, you are

1:50:531:50:59

clearly appealing to bosses and vice

Chancellors and the heads of

1:50:591:51:05

organisations in a pay committee

offers you an absolutely thumping

1:51:051:51:07

some with benefits piled upon

benefits, you do not have to take it

1:51:071:51:12

all is that what you are saying? I

am saying show leadership and part

1:51:121:51:17

of leadership is doing what you are

asking your staff to do. I accept

1:51:171:51:21

that you have people who have to

take tough decisions and have to

1:51:211:51:25

manage large budgets and

organisations, they should be well

1:51:251:51:29

supported. What I do not accept is

that should be completely divorced

1:51:291:51:32

from the people they are

representing and managing that those

1:51:321:51:36

people feel there is no traction

there and there is no recognition

1:51:361:51:39

and respect for them.

Yes, I am

asking for is a absolute I would say

1:51:391:51:45

politeness, and that is a polite way

of putting it, to your staff. If

1:51:451:51:49

they are taking a hit, do the same

thing and show leadership.

Thank you

1:51:491:51:53

very much, the general secretary of

the universities and College union.

1:51:531:52:05

Let's talk about waiting times in

A&E and Martin Milton got in touch

1:52:051:52:09

with us and he was watching the

programme earlier. His mother spent

1:52:091:52:12

approximately how much time in A&E?

Because she became a failed

1:52:121:52:20

discharge, that is the technical

term, it was 21 hours the first time

1:52:201:52:27

and ten hours the second time before

she was admitted finally.

Talk us

1:52:271:52:34

through the first trip. What

happened in that 21 hours?

Part of

1:52:341:52:42

the problem was excruciating back

pain and we sat in the outside

1:52:421:52:45

waiting room for several hours on

shares when we moved through the

1:52:451:52:47

doors into where observations were

taken. She sat for eight hours in

1:52:471:52:57

total on a chair before they could

find a trolley. This exacerbated the

1:52:571:53:00

back pain. It was very busy and you

cannot complain about that. But this

1:53:001:53:08

system is collapsing. She was left

like this and was left with no care,

1:53:081:53:12

people did not have the time to look

after her. It was very distressing

1:53:121:53:17

for her and distressing for the

family.

Presumably you saw medical

1:53:171:53:22

professionals under pressure trying

to do their best?

Yes, but they do

1:53:221:53:29

not do their best. This is one of my

concerns. Without speaking at any

1:53:291:53:34

individual what you get is people

saying, OK, I have got the nose, I

1:53:341:53:38

will be back and they do not. We

were told she had to be admitted

1:53:381:53:43

because there were these problems.

After 21 hours when we finally got

1:53:431:53:48

admitted the nurses have got a

different summary and they said she

1:53:481:53:52

was going home. -- got the notes.

That is very distressing.

And

1:53:521:53:59

dangerous.

That is a fair point.

The

very next day there was another

1:53:591:54:06

ambulance. As I say she had been

admitted finally.

What is the

1:54:061:54:10

solution?

At the moment I am in the

middle of a complaint to the

1:54:101:54:16

hospital. I will also be writing to

my MP and the Health Secretary. It

1:54:161:54:23

is not as if individual staff are

problem, they are not, they are

1:54:231:54:27

doing their best, but they are

stressed. They were lovely with her

1:54:271:54:31

and that is important and now she

seems to be getting all the bits

1:54:311:54:35

coming together which is lovely to

see. But these policies that mean in

1:54:351:54:41

that area they have just closed down

services and expect miraculously

1:54:411:54:44

other services to pick it up, it is

not working. I am not complaining

1:54:441:54:49

about my situation. We were in line

in a 45 person queue on Saturday, 45

1:54:491:54:58

people in distress. Even after being

seen by the staff, and I do not know

1:54:581:55:06

what else the staff can do, they

say, what do what we to do?

Without

1:55:061:55:12

naming the hospital, where are you

in the country?

I in Kent. I am in

1:55:121:55:17

London, but my mother is in Kent.

We

wish your mother all the best. Thank

1:55:171:55:21

you.

1:55:211:55:23

Thank you.

1:55:231:55:24
1:55:241:55:25

Astronomers have discovered a huge

black hole, one of the oldest

1:55:251:55:28

and most distant ever observed.

1:55:281:55:31

The black hole is more

than thirteen billion light years

1:55:311:55:34

away from earth and could give clues

to some of the earliest

1:55:341:55:38

moments of the universe.

1:55:381:55:44

The lead research team,

from the Carnegie Institution

1:55:441:55:47

for Science, says light detected

from the quasar dates back to only

1:55:471:55:49

690 million years after the Big Bang

when the universe was beginning

1:55:491:55:52

to emerge from a period known

as the dark ages just before

1:55:521:55:55

the first stars appeared.

1:55:551:55:56

I'm joined now by Doctor

Fiona Fpeirits, research

1:55:561:55:58

fellow at the University

of Glasgow's Physics

1:55:581:56:00

and Astronomy department.

1:56:001:56:01

I cannot get my head around 13

billion light years, explained that.

1:56:011:56:05

We struggle with that as well. It

means the universe is only about 5%

1:56:051:56:12

of its current gauge and this object

we were detecting was created when

1:56:121:56:17

the light was emitted from it.

Pretty far away.

We have not got

1:56:171:56:22

masses of time. Tell us how you

found this black hole.

Just a

1:56:221:56:29

telescope. Just a really impressive

telescope and technology base in one

1:56:291:56:40

of the universities in the United

States. You can see the light from

1:56:401:56:44

it.

I am trying to imagine the

scene. Is that one person or are

1:56:441:56:48

there several scientists? Do they

say, is that what I think it is? How

1:56:481:56:54

does it work?

You have lots of

people working on these projects at

1:56:541:56:59

all different levels from professors

through to PhD students. They have

1:56:591:57:03

time on these telescopes to make

observations and they have huge

1:57:031:57:06

amounts of data at the end of it and

they spend time going through the

1:57:061:57:12

images and the spectroscopic

measurements and trying to piece

1:57:121:57:14

together what it is they can see and

come up with the conclusion that

1:57:141:57:19

this must be a supermassive black

hole.

How can looking at a black

1:57:191:57:25

hole briefly and finally tell us

about what happened 13 billion years

1:57:251:57:28

ago?

We cannot travel there, so we

are relying on the light that we can

1:57:281:57:34

see from it and it is a snapshot of

what the universe looked like back

1:57:341:57:38

then and we can forward map it into

how the universe evolved into what

1:57:381:57:43

we see today and potentially where

it will evolve to in the future as

1:57:431:57:47

well.

Amazing, thank you so much for

telling us about it.

1:57:471:57:50

Amazing, thank you so much

for telling us about it.

1:57:501:57:56

A research fellow at the University

of Glasgow's physics and astronomy

1:57:561:57:59

department. Thank you for all your

messages today, particularly about

1:57:591:58:04

A&E waiting times. We are back

tomorrow at nine, have a lovely day.

1:58:041:58:10

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