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Chloe Tilley asks why Donald Trump cancelled his visit to open the new US embassy in London and whether it marks the end of the special relationship.


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Hello it's 9 o'clock.

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Welcome to the programme.

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There's a major fire

at Nottingham station.

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Trains are suspended and passengers

moved to safety as fire crews

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try to bring it under control.

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We'll have the latest.

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Donald Trump cancels

a visit to the UK to open

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a new US embassy in London.

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In a tweet he calls the project

a bad deal and says they "wanted me

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to cut the ribbon - NO!".

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But did the fear of demonstrations

put him off?

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I think it's well know

that there may have been

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demonstrations,

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There has not been a huge amount of

love towards them from the British

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people and perhaps the president did

not want to walk into that?

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There's still no date for a state

visit, but Theresa May has

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confirmed it's on the cards.

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We'll have the details.

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Also today - as more children

than ever are referred to social

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services there are fears that

serious cases could be

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missed as staff struggle

with their workload.

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Hello.

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Welcome to the programme,

we're live until 11 this morning.

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We'll also be speaking

to Clare Pooley -

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a mother of three -

who's casual drinking turned

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into a serious habit.

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She's here to talk about giving up

alcohol and the support she's

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had from other women

in the same situation.

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So we'd love to hear

from you if this is something

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you've got experience of.

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Use the hashtag Victoria live

and if you text, you will be charged

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at the standard network rate.

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A huge fire is blazing

at Nottingham railway station.

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Nottinghamshire Fire and rescue say

they're dealing with a 'large

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incident' with five fire engines

at the scene.

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The station has been evacuated.

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East Midland Trains say all trains

through the station are cancelled

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and they expect disruptions.

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On the line it's our reporter Healy

Compton, bring us up to date with

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the latest you have about this fire?

Every street around Nottingham train

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station is closed at the moment,

find me there are 11 fire trucks

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that you can see and bearing in mind

this is just one side of the train

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station which has been closed off.

There are ambulance crews at the

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site currently but I am told they

are here as a precaution. It is

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after unconfirmed reports of a fire

in a toilet on one of the platforms.

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As you can see fire crews are in

attendance. I have been told that

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it's not a major incident and they

have managed to get the blaze under

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control. There were reports of

plumes of smoke, plumes of black

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smoke at 6:30am but I have been

speaking to some people in the

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buildings around the train station

who have told me this morning the

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first they knew about the fire was

when they opened the front door this

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morning and were greeted by a sea of

blue lights.

Thank you for bringing

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us up-to-date with that. Our

reporter down at Nottingham train

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station, it goes without saying we

will keep you across that story with

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updates throughout the programme.

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Donald Trump has cancelled his

planned visit to the UK next month.

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The US President tweeted that he had

cancelled the planned visit

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as he didn't want to open

the new American embassy in London -

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which he incorrectly stated had been

commissioned by his predecessor,

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Barack Obama.

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Dan Johnson reports.

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After nearly 60 years flying

above London's Grosvenor Square,

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the Stars and Stripes were lowered,

ready for the opening

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of the new US embassy.

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It's billion-dollar building

on the Southbank and Donald Trump

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was due to open it next month.

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Now we know he won't and early this

morning, he posted his reasons

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on Twitter:

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But did the prospect

of protests like this

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also put him off?

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This was the response

to his ban on travellers

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from certain Muslim countries.

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A petition drew 1.8 million

signatures with calls to ban him.

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It shouldn't be a state visit

because it would be embarrassing

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to the Queen and the rest of the UK.

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Theresa May was the first

world leader to reach out

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to the new President and a return

trip, a state visit,

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was promised soon.

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But then the President strained

the special relationship by sharing

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online far-right videos

from the group called Britain First.

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When Theresa May condemned,

he then retorted.

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Just last weekend, she confirmed

the invite still stands.

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He is taking decisions in the best

interests of the United States.

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And he is coming to this country?

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He will be coming to the country.

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The Foreign Secretary denied

the Queen would be embarrassed.

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I think Her Majesty the Queen

is capable of taking this

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American President or any American

president in her stride,

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as she has done over

six remarkable decades.

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Let's be clear.

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Opening this place was never

the same as a state visit.

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It would have been a shorter,

less formal trip.

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Meeting the Queen is still on,

expected this year,

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but no date has been set.

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The President is denying this

decision is down to politics

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but after he offended more countries

with a foul-mouthed remark

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last night, the list

of places he is welcome

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certainly isn't growing.

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Jon Donnison joins me now

from outside the new US

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embassy in Central London.

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What are we to make of this trip

been cancelled?

Some of the workers

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arriving here this morning in this

"Off location" are pretty bemused by

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all the attention, asking what it's

all about, and some fruity language

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from some of them when I told them

Donald Trump had cancelled the

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visit. This is the building in

question, this is what $1 billion

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gets you. When you look at the tweet

from Donald Trump he was blaming

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President Obama for agreeing to move

the old embassy from its location in

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gross square to here in Vauxhall.

It's interesting because that

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decision was actually made back in

2008, not by President Obama but by

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his predecessor President George W

Bush. As was pointed out in the

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report, this was not a state visit

planned, it was something a bit on a

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smaller scale but it does make I

would imagine the possibility of a

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state visit later in the year

probably even more likely to be

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shelved I would have thought.

Thank

you.

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Now to the BBC Newsroom

for a summary of the rest

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of the days news.

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A study of women with breast cancer

suggests that having a double

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mastectomy does not increase

the chances of survival in younger

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patients who have what's known

as the BRAC1 gene.

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The researchers also found that

women treated for breast cancer had

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the same survival rates -

regardless of whether or not

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they had the mutation.

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The BBC is said "deeply unimpressed"

with an off-air chat in which two

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of its presenters joked

about the pay gap between the sexes.

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That's according to a source

at the corporation.

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BBC Radio 4 Today presenter

John Humphrys and North America

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editor Jon Sopel were discussing

Carrie Gracie, who had just quit her

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China Editor job over equal pay.

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In an exchange before Monday's

show, it's reported they

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they joked about "handing over" pay

to keep her in post.

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A BBC spokeswoman said

the presenter regrets

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the "ill-advised" conversation.

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There's been a breakthrough in talks

in Germany on forming

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a new coalition government.

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After working through the night,

Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian

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Democrats and their former coalition

partners, the Social Democrats,

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have now agreed a basis

upon which a coalition treaty

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can be negotiated.

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Mrs Merkel has been unable to form

a government since inconclusive

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elections in September.

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Nigel Farage has clarified remarks

he made yesterday calling

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for a second EU referendum.

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The former Ukip leader has said

although another vote

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was the "last thing" he wanted,

he thought it might be forced

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on the country by parliament.

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His initial remarks

were seized upon by Remainers,

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with Labour's Chuka Umunna saying

Mr Farage had made "a valid point

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for the first time in his life".

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The conduct of the media is expected

to be examined by the independent

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review into the response

to the Manchester Arena bombing.

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22 people were killed when a bomb

was set off after a pop concert

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at the venue in May.

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Several of the bereaved families

have raised concerns

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about the reporting of the attack.

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The review will also look at the

role played by social media.

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role played by social media. An

18-year-old from the Scottish

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Highlands has died after contracting

the flu virus. Bethany Walker was

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airlifted to hospital in Inverness

from her home but the illness had

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become pneumonia and doctors were

unable to save her.

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unable to save her. Police have

released the names of 17 people

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including four children confirmed to

have died in a mudslide which struck

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a small town in southern California.

All of the dead were residents of

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Montecito, the ridge from age three

to age 30 nine. One official

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estimate puts the missing figure as

high as 43.

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The Queen has been talking

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about some of the challenges

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she faced at her

coronation 65 years ago.

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As part of a BBC programme,

she spoke candidly about

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the heaviness of the crown she wore,

and noted it was lucky she and her

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father, King George VI,

had the 'same sort of shaped head'.

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'The Coronation' will air

on BBC One at 8pm this Sunday.

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Facebook has announced what it says

is a major change to it's news feed.

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The social website will

refocus on interactions

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between family and friends

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rather than media

and business content.

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It means that people will see fewer

posts from companies

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and public organisations.

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A butcher who got trapped

in his own freezer has described

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how he freed himself

using a frozen black pudding.

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Chris McCabe thought

he was for the chop

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after the freezer door in his shop

in Totnes, Devon,

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blew shut behind him.

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Stranded in temperatures

of minus 20 degrees,

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he said he used the sausage

as a battering ram

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on the door's release mechanism.

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Do excuse that joke, strong stuff

that black pudding.

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I think that is the best use of

black pudding but I might get in

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trouble for saying that!

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Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning.

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We will be talking to a mum who gave

up drinking after she discovered she

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was drinking ten bottles of wine in

a week.

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Use the hashtag #VictoriaLive

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and if you text, you will be charged

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Let's get some sport

with Hugh Woozencroft.

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Hugh, Billie Jean King has once

again called for a change

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ahead of the Australian Open?

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Good morning.

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Well, the Australian Open starts

in Melbourne over the weekend

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but already the tournament is making

controversial headlines,

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and not for the first time.

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Last year, you may

remember, Margaret Court -

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the 11-time Aussie Open winner,

a devout Christian -

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voiced her

opposition to gay marriage,

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as well as derogatory comments

regarding transgender people.

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The great Billie Jean King

is now calling for the stadium

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in Melbourne named after

Court to be renamed.

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Earlier, our tennis

correspondent Russell Fuller

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told me what King had to say.

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Billie Jean king was reigniting the

debate which started in May when

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Margaret Court the winner of 20 for

a grand slam titles during her

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career had some very outspoken views

on gay marriage and added that

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tennis was full of lesbians and

transgender children will work of

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the devil. The Margaret Court Arena

here in Melbourne Park takes her

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name and tennis Australia at the

time said they would not change the

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name even though they distance

themselves from views. Today Dolly

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Jean King speaking in Melbourne said

it should have its name changed and

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that if she was playing today she

would not play any matches on that

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court. She went on to say that I

think if you were talking about

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indigenous people or Jewish people

or any other people I cannot imagine

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the public would want somebody to

have their name on something. We are

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all God 's children she said. I just

feel like she has got really

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derogatory.

A lot of talk about

inclusivity, was there a response

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from the tournament organisers?

To

be fair to the Australian open there

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was a press conference called to

mark the fact Billie Jean King who

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is here to celebrate 50 years since

first winning the title and is the

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Australian open's woman of the year

was able to express her views. The

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tournament director was alongside

and he said what they said six or

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seven months ago that once again

they would not condone what Margaret

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Court said, we do not agree with

what she has said, but that the

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court is named after her because of

her achievements on it. He also said

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it was congregated, it is not just

tennis Australia who makes this

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decision, the government own

Melbourne Park so there are many

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stakeholders and he said there was

no active proxies to change the name

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but there is something subject to

discussion.

Staying down under it's

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been a good warm up for Heather

Watson.

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She missed out on a first

WTA final in two years,

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beaten in 3 sets by Belgian

second seed Elise Mertens.

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And missing out isn't

always a negative.

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At least that's what British

Bobsleigh are hoping for

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after a minor stroke

ruled Bruce Tasker out

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of the upcoming Winter Olympics.

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His teammate John Jackson

says that 'heartache'

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can help inspire the squad.

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Tasker is expected to

make a full recovery

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and resume his career next season.

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Jackson says although he'll be

missed, Team GB has the

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'strength and depth' to step

up to the challenge.

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Looking forward to those games in

South Korea as well. We will be back

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with more sport later in the hour.

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When toddler Peter Connolly,

better known as Baby P,

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died in horrific circumstances

just over ten years ago,

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the Government said

it was essential to learn lessons

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and restore the public's

confidence in social services.

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His death was the highest profile,

but by no means the only, case

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where professionals failed

to protect a child.

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Various agencies were urged to talk

to each other more

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and be more vigilant

for the signs of abuse.

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But have things swung too far?

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New figures from the Local

Government Association sure there

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were over 600,000 referrals in

England and Wales last year. That is

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one child every 49 seconds. The LGA

says councils are struggling to cope

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and facing a £2 billion funding gap.

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Let's speak now to Adele Joicey,

mother-of-four, who took her

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two-year-old twin son Ryan

to the GP with a high

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temperature but within hours,

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social services were investigating

her for possible child abuse.

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Melanie Adegbite, who works

as a social worker and says

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despite the case pressure,

every case still needs

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to be investigated.

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Also Jon Brown from the NSPCC,

who says there are still many cases

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that are going unreported

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and these figures are still not

painting the full picture.

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And Dr Lauren Devine

from the University of the West

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of England, who thinks too many

cases are being referred.

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Thank you all for joining us today.

Doctor Divine comedy have looked at

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these statistics and pulled a report

together, tell us your findings.

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Very briefly, I am interested in the

very current interest in the high

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number of referrals, because the

data shows that has been an

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increasingly high number on a

trajectory for a number of years.

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What is also very interesting is

that the data shows that the higher

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the referrals, the less addition to

the system becomes in detecting

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serious child abuse. In fact, it is

no surprise to me, and everybody who

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works within the system, either as

an academic or social worker, that

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users will be missed. That is less

to do with the bother of any

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individual local authority, although

in some cases clearly they have been

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missed when they should have been

spotted, but it is more to do with

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an overwhelming number of referrals,

that does not necessarily reflect

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the number of children being abused.

In other words, from Arnold referred

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who are abused and vice versa, there

are children in the system who have

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not been abused and it is clogging

it up.

Melanie, I can see you were

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nodding.

What I would say is that in

my experience, families that we are

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working with nowadays, the families

who, into the social work services,

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the issues are really much more

complex than was previously. I think

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there are lots of reasons for that.

One of the reasons would be that the

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thresholds are higher in local

authorities because of austerity,

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because of the lack of funding, the

lack of resources.

So the situation

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has to be worse for a child,

currently, to be seen by social

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services than in years gone by

because of cuts?

Thresholds have

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become higher, so what's the point

of intervention, it is, you know, it

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is very different in terms of ten

years ago, 15 years ago. Families

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would be, probably, in dire need at

that

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that point or in child in need,

child protection cases. It is to do

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with the lack of resources.

Adele, I

want to bring UN, because you're a

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mother of four, and as I said, due

take your two-year-old Ryan to the

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GP, he was unwell, and this is

related to a stage where they said

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they were going to take him away

from you?

That is correct. I went to

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the GP and he referred me, there was

a mark there that I was not sure

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where it had come from, so he

explained he would refer it to

0:19:120:19:17

social services and the key about,

and that night they came out, and

0:19:170:19:24

because my partner works away, I

nobody to stay with me overnight so

0:19:240:19:28

they were not prepared to leave me

with Ryan overnight so were making

0:19:280:19:33

steps to remove him. I had to go and

pack a bag.

But he was not taken

0:19:330:19:38

away?

No, we were at the GP for a

couple of hours waiting for social

0:19:380:19:42

services to come out. By that time,

his temperature was continuing to go

0:19:420:19:46

up. He was poorly. When social

services came to my home and were

0:19:460:19:53

talking about it after we had left

the GP, Ryan has become very poorly,

0:19:530:19:57

so he went floppy and I took him to

BMD. What the social worker said was

0:19:570:20:03

it could all be straight about at

the hospital, because a safeguarding

0:20:030:20:08

doctor was there. -- to come to

Accident and Emergency. They could

0:20:080:20:11

examine Ryan Giggs review on the

mark.

So they were then happy that

0:20:110:20:17

the mark was innocent and Orion

stayed with you?

It turned out there

0:20:170:20:21

had been an error in the way it had

been recorded. When the GP

0:20:210:20:27

telephoned social services, he

explained that he had seen an

0:20:270:20:30

unexplained mark on a mobile child.

Ryan was quite mobile. However,

0:20:300:20:37

social services dealt with it as a

nonaccidental injury on and a mobile

0:20:370:20:44

child, which triggered a totally

different response, which is why

0:20:440:20:49

that path started. -- on a not

mobile child.

John, I want to bring

0:20:490:20:55

UN. Clearly, in Adil's situation,

mistakes were made. Is that

0:20:550:21:01

inevitable with the sheer amount of

cases being referred?

Inevitably

0:21:010:21:05

mistakes can be made on occasions

and it can be extremely stressful.

0:21:050:21:10

Of course being in the midst of a

situation where you are being

0:21:100:21:14

referred to children's services

because of concerned. What is

0:21:140:21:19

critical is that where those rebels

are made, because of the volume of

0:21:190:21:22

referrals coming through, and that

is not necessarily a bad thing, that

0:21:220:21:26

there is adequate reserves into

assets and Trieste was referrals so

0:21:260:21:32

they can be filtered where

appropriate to family support. We

0:21:320:21:35

need much more investment in family

support to assist families where

0:21:350:21:39

they need help. Where there are not

immediate concerns about abuse or

0:21:390:21:43

neglect but where they need help.

And then add resources to ensure

0:21:430:21:49

that where job protection action

does need to happen, it is taken

0:21:490:21:52

swiftly. We have learned a lot over

recent years in relation to that

0:21:520:21:56

accurate assessment. The development

of multi-agency safeguarding, but we

0:21:560:22:00

still do not know the overall scale

of the problem, and that of a real

0:22:000:22:03

issue. Some research that we did in

2011 showed that for every one child

0:22:030:22:08

on the job protection plan it is

estimated there are another age

0:22:080:22:13

children who are being subject to

abuse or neglect your not in the

0:22:130:22:17

system. -- and other aid children.

We are still looking at a

0:22:170:22:21

significant unknown figure and that

is why we are calling on the

0:22:210:22:28

government to undertake a prevalence

study to double as a better idea of

0:22:280:22:31

the extent of abuse right across the

UK. 'S if there is there amongst

0:22:310:22:34

social workers, we mentioned Baby P

in the introduction, is the worry

0:22:340:22:40

with you and your colleagues about

worrying some -- missing something

0:22:400:22:44

critical? We want to do the best

that we can do, and especially when

0:22:440:22:49

we are working with families, we

want to make sure that we are fair,

0:22:490:22:53

that our assessments are reflective

of the child's experience, I've

0:22:530:22:58

worked with children and families

for almost 20 years, so we want to

0:22:580:23:01

make sure that our assessment is

reflective. But the difficulty is

0:23:010:23:05

very similar to what I am hearing my

colleagues say, and that is it is

0:23:050:23:09

about funding. It is about being

able to provide the right support

0:23:090:23:15

once they have identified that. It

is a lack of resources, it is the

0:23:150:23:20

lack of experience that is leaving

the front line because of the

0:23:200:23:26

difficulty in actually being able to

do your role of the way in which we

0:23:260:23:31

know it needs to be done.

Are all

cases treated exactly the same when

0:23:310:23:36

they come in?

They cannot be. All

families are different. All issues,

0:23:360:23:41

circumstances, situations. The

assessments, the risks.

0:23:410:23:47

Circumstances, it is all different.

It cannot be treated the same.

0:23:470:23:52

Should it be?

No, and I think that

links back to the point made by the

0:23:520:23:57

NSPCC. It is a case of appropriately

triaging. If you are family in the

0:23:570:24:02

UK, under the current statistics,

you have a 19 chance of being

0:24:020:24:06

referred. Under the NSPCC's stats on

prevalence, that is roughly

0:24:060:24:11

equivalent. If the rates children

are in the system, we would have

0:24:110:24:14

pretty much eradicated child abuse.

But when you add in that 88% of the

0:24:140:24:21

nine referred are not even meeting

the statutory threshold, you can

0:24:210:24:26

understand...

Why are they being

referred? 88% of people are being

0:24:260:24:30

referred when there is no abuse

taking place.

Because the

0:24:300:24:34

government's policy at the moment,

from the Department for Education,

0:24:340:24:38

has not taken into account this

point about triaging. When a cases

0:24:380:24:42

referred, and it may not be an abuse

referral, it may be a request for

0:24:420:24:48

support. The problem for a social

worker is they have to triage. Since

0:24:480:24:52

2013, the government's guidance and

Department for Education's policy

0:24:520:24:56

has been to treat all cases under

what we called a continuous

0:24:560:24:59

assessment. That is where some of

this problem lies. It is a triage

0:24:590:25:02

issue. It needs to happen earlier

and spare innocent families the pain

0:25:020:25:07

of assessment and severe trauma that

is inevitable. It needs to be much

0:25:070:25:12

more robust response, or there is a

realistic suspicion of abuse. It can

0:25:120:25:16

either be eradicated or

substantiated.

0:25:160:25:25

What is the stand your relationship

with your social workers? Two of

0:25:250:25:28

your children have disabilities and

you work carefully with social

0:25:280:25:30

services. The effect of them

threatening to take Ryan away from

0:25:300:25:32

you, what effect has it had on that

relationship?

It leaves me quite

0:25:320:25:37

concerned to seek help. I mean,

prior to this happening, the

0:25:370:25:42

relationship of social services has

always been one of support and

0:25:420:25:45

trust. I have kind of lost about

now. I kind of worry, especially

0:25:450:25:53

with the children who are disabled,

like, Ryan Harris cerebral palsy and

0:25:530:25:58

falls more than a typical child. If

you fall the advance himself and you

0:25:580:26:04

are like, " is that going to be

looked at?" My eldest, my daughter,

0:26:040:26:12

is also nonverbal and you have that

kind of worry, like something

0:26:120:26:15

happens to her and she cannot

explained happened. Are you going to

0:26:150:26:18

be looked at? It is a shame that

that relationship went from one of

0:26:180:26:25

support to do not feel so

comfortable night.

Thank you all so

0:26:250:26:28

much for coming in to speak to us

today. I am very grateful you for

0:26:280:26:32

that.

0:26:320:26:36

Let's head back to Nottingham for

the latest on that station fire. Our

0:26:360:26:40

reporter is in Nottingham. Tell us

what you know.

0:26:400:26:47

Well, we are standing outside the

bus station, sorry, the car park of

0:26:470:26:51

Nottingham train station, and behind

that or the platforms at the

0:26:510:26:55

station. As you can see, there is

still strong emergency service

0:26:550:26:59

presence. The Fire crews were called

at around 6:20am, and that is where

0:26:590:27:05

we saw plumes of smoke coming out of

the station. We have had reports

0:27:050:27:10

that the folly of Nottingham train

station was filled with smoke and

0:27:100:27:14

one on reported sighting of smoke

coming out of a toilet on the

0:27:140:27:17

platform. As you can see, it is

fairly quiet now, in the sense that

0:27:170:27:22

the smokers disappeared. The crews

have put that out. As you can

0:27:220:27:25

imagine, it has caused travel chaos.

Trains in and out of the station

0:27:250:27:32

have been stopped and cancelled and

we understand there will be nothing

0:27:320:27:34

going in and out and it has also had

an effect on roads around the

0:27:340:27:39

station and on commuters coming in

and out of the city.

0:27:390:27:48

Still to come:

0:27:480:27:49

You may be familiar with the hit

blog 'Mummy was a Secret Drinker',

0:27:490:27:52

about Clare Pooley's realisation

that her casual drinking

0:27:520:27:54

was getting out of control.

0:27:540:27:55

She's giving us her first

TV interview shortly.

0:27:550:28:01

The roll-out of Universal Credit

has not been without problems

0:28:010:28:03

but a new report warns that

vulnerable people are at risk

0:28:030:28:06

of financial difficulties

0:28:060:28:07

when they transfer over

from tax credits.

0:28:070:28:08

We'll hear one man's experience.

0:28:080:28:16

Time for the latest news.

0:28:200:28:21

The BBC News headlines this morning.

0:28:210:28:24

A huge fire is blazing

at Nottingham railway station.

0:28:240:28:26

Nottinghamshire Fire and rescue say

they're dealing with a 'large

0:28:260:28:28

incident' with multiple fire engines

at the scene.

0:28:280:28:30

The station has been evacuated.

0:28:300:28:34

East Midland Trains say all trains

through the station are cancelled

0:28:340:28:37

and they expect disruptions.

0:28:370:28:38

Donald Trump has cancelled his

planned visit to the UK next month.

0:28:380:28:41

The US President tweeted that he had

cancelled the planned visit

0:28:410:28:44

as he didn't want to open

the new American embassy in London -

0:28:440:28:47

which he incorrectly stated had been

commissioned by his predecessor,

0:28:470:28:49

Barack Obama.

0:28:490:28:51

A study of women with breast cancer

suggests that having a double

0:28:510:28:54

mastectomy does not increase

the chances of survival in younger

0:28:540:28:57

patients who have what's known

as the BRAC1 gene.

0:28:570:28:59

The researchers also found that

women treated for breast cancer had

0:28:590:29:01

the same survival rates -

regardless of whether or not

0:29:010:29:04

they had the mutation.

0:29:040:29:09

An 18-year-old from the Scottish

highlands has died after

0:29:090:29:11

contracting the flu virus.

0:29:110:29:13

Bethany Walker was airlifted

to hospital in Inverness

0:29:130:29:15

from her home in Wester Ross,

but her illness had developed

0:29:150:29:18

into pneumonia and staff

were unable to save her.

0:29:180:29:23

Elsewhere, in England,

there has been a sharp rise

0:29:230:29:26

in the number of flu cases seen

by GPs - up 78 % from last week.

0:29:260:29:32

The conduct of the media is expected

to be examined by the independent

0:29:320:29:35

review into the response

to the Manchester Arena bombing.

0:29:350:29:38

22 people were killed when a bomb

was set off after a pop concert

0:29:380:29:41

at the venue in May.

0:29:410:29:44

Several of the bereaved families

have raised concerns

0:29:440:29:46

about the reporting of the attack.

0:29:460:29:47

The review will also look

at the role played by social media.

0:29:470:29:54

The BBC is said "deeply unimpressed"

with an off-air chat in which two

0:29:540:29:57

of its presenters joked

about the pay gap between the sexes.

0:29:570:30:00

That's according to a source

at the corporation.

0:30:000:30:03

BBC Radio 4 Today presenter

John Humphrys and North America

0:30:030:30:05

editor Jon Sopel were discussing

Carrie Gracie, who had just quit her

0:30:050:30:09

China Editor job over equal pay.

0:30:090:30:13

In an exchange before Monday's

show, it's reported they

0:30:130:30:16

they joked about "handing over" pay

to keep her in post.

0:30:160:30:19

A BBC spokeswoman said

the presenter regrets

0:30:190:30:20

the "ill-advised" conversation.

0:30:200:30:28

The Queen has been talking about

some of the challenges she faced at

0:30:300:30:34

her coronation 65 years ago. She

spoke candidly about the heaviness

0:30:340:30:39

of the crown she wore and noted it

was lucky her and her father King

0:30:390:30:43

George VI had the same sort of

shaped head. The correlation will be

0:30:430:30:48

on BBC One at eight this Sunday.

0:30:480:30:52

That's a summary of

the latest BBC news.

0:30:520:30:56

Here's some sport now.

0:30:560:31:00

Billie Jean King has once again

called for the Margaret Court Arena

0:31:000:31:04

in Melbourne to be renamed after

Margaret Court made the rocket

0:31:040:31:11

Margaret Court made the rocket --

derogatory comments about gay and

0:31:120:31:14

transgender people last year. Billie

Jean King said as a gay woman she

0:31:140:31:17

would not play on the court that she

was still on tour. Heather Watson

0:31:170:31:21

missed out on her first WTA final in

two years after she was beaten in

0:31:210:31:25

the semifinal of the Hobart open.

She lost in three sets to defending

0:31:250:31:30

champion Elise Merson 's. Alexis

Sanchez, he is likely to leave the

0:31:300:31:35

FA Cup holders this January if a

suitable offer arrives and our

0:31:350:31:41

replacement is secured. And Anthony

Joshua's unification fight against

0:31:410:31:45

Joseph Parker New Zealand could be

confirmed in the next 24 hours.

0:31:450:31:50

Parker is set to arrive in London

this weekend with the news

0:31:500:31:54

conference planned for next week.

0:31:540:32:00

We are keeping you updated on this

fire at Nottingham train station.

0:32:000:32:05

Hopefully we'll be able to speak to

someone in the next few minutes who

0:32:050:32:08

has got in touch with the BBC

weather own experience of what

0:32:080:32:14

happened at Nottingham train

station. I arrived at Nottingham

0:32:140:32:17

train station at 6:35am when there

was a fire engine at front but not

0:32:170:32:22

clear what was happening, I got a

lift towards the main concourse,

0:32:220:32:26

walked towards the entrance and was

greeted by a member of staff who

0:32:260:32:29

said we had to evacuate. She goes on

to say there is a strong smell of

0:32:290:32:34

burning plastic and they were all

moved away from the area. Smoke

0:32:340:32:39

filling the buildings. We will try

to connect with them in the next few

0:32:390:32:42

minutes and if we do manage that we

will get their take on what

0:32:420:32:46

happened. Quite dramatic pictures

coming in.

0:32:460:32:50

When you stop smoking or cut back

on sugar, people applaud you,

0:32:500:32:53

but as Clare Pooley discovered,

it's not always the case

0:32:530:32:55

when you tell people

you're going sober.

0:32:550:32:57

Clare is a mum of three

and realised her wine habit was out

0:32:570:33:00

of control when she was drinking up

to 10 bottles a week

0:33:000:33:03

and covering up how much drank.

0:33:030:33:05

In March 2016 she decided

to change her life and quit

0:33:050:33:07

the booze for good.

0:33:070:33:08

And in and effort to find support

she started a blog called 'Mummy

0:33:080:33:11

was a Secret Drinker'.

0:33:110:33:14

I'm pleased to say Clare is with us

for her first TV interview.

0:33:140:33:19

Thank you for coming in. Often when

you talk to people who have some

0:33:190:33:26

kind of addiction they say there was

a defining moment, a turning point,

0:33:260:33:30

did you have that?

Not really, it

was more a creeping realisation that

0:33:300:33:37

the thing I thought was my best

friend, white wine, was my worst

0:33:370:33:40

enemy. The amount I used to drink at

the end of the day when I had put

0:33:400:33:45

the children to bed to relax, it

started off as one glass, then it

0:33:450:33:51

became two and then three and

eventually I was drinking about a

0:33:510:33:55

bottle of wine per day and more at

the weekend. It was just a creeping

0:33:550:34:00

realisation that it wasn't doing me

any good physically or mentally. I

0:34:000:34:04

was two stone over weight, I would

wake up in the middle of the night

0:34:040:34:09

unable to get back to sleep and I

was anxious a lot of the time. My

0:34:090:34:14

whole life was stuck in at. It

became obvious to me that wine was

0:34:140:34:21

to blame.

Did your husband picked up

on it at all?

He told me that he

0:34:210:34:28

thought I should cut down.

That is a

difficult thing to fear from your

0:34:280:34:32

partner.

Yes, I did not take it

well, and my mother said something

0:34:320:34:40

as well but that was all I heard. My

friends and family mostly thought I

0:34:400:34:44

was drinking the same way anyone

else was. My Facebook feed filled

0:34:440:34:47

with jokes about money 's little

helper and they accepted thing that

0:34:470:34:52

that was what mums do at the end of

the day. I don't think anyone saw it

0:34:520:34:59

as a major problem and nobody

realised how much I was drinking,

0:34:590:35:04

even I didn't realise because it

took me a long time to add it all

0:35:040:35:08

up.

Why did you drink, just to wind

down or was there an element of

0:35:080:35:12

boredom? I know you had a successful

career and then became a full-time

0:35:120:35:18

mum and sometimes it can be

difficult to make that adjustment.

I

0:35:180:35:23

saw motherhood from both sides as I

did it as a working mother and then

0:35:230:35:27

a stay at home mother and both were

incredibly rewarding and also quite

0:35:270:35:30

stressful. Sometimes boring,

sometimes, it's hard work. So yes I

0:35:300:35:39

drank as a way of alleviating that I

guess. But to be honest I drank to

0:35:390:35:46

celebrate and commiserate, when I

was feeling stressed or was feeling

0:35:460:35:50

happy. I drank for quite a number of

different reasons.

I have two young

0:35:500:36:00

girls and I know often as you are

dragging the children back from

0:36:000:36:03

school and one of them is having a

tantrum, another mother will walk

0:36:030:36:10

past and say, not long until you can

have a glass of wine! There is a

0:36:100:36:14

culture that sometimes it's the

thing to get through. In your book

0:36:140:36:19

you wrote that if you stood by the

school gates and said if I am going

0:36:190:36:22

to go home and have a line of

cocaine that people would not say

0:36:220:36:26

that is OK but going home to have

that glass of wine is encouraged.

0:36:260:36:31

Yes and I think that is part of the

problem, it's so normalised. It is

0:36:310:36:38

absolutely part of our culture. 80%

of the adult population drink and

0:36:380:36:45

mums, it's much more common than

not.

How did you go about it? Did

0:36:450:36:52

you start to limit your intake, did

you go cold turkey?

I tried for a

0:36:520:36:57

number of years to moderate and

drink normally and sensibly because

0:36:570:37:01

I didn't want to give up altogether,

I just wanted to drink with the

0:37:010:37:06

government guidelines. But what I

realised as I am all are nothing and

0:37:060:37:09

moderation is not my thing. I would

set myself rules like I will only

0:37:090:37:15

drink when I go out or I will only

drink at weekends or I will need

0:37:150:37:19

drink beer because I don't really

like it and I could not stick to

0:37:190:37:22

those rules and it was exhausting

trying to keep a lid on it. I find

0:37:220:37:27

it so much easier and liberating

just to give up altogether. Now I

0:37:270:37:32

have this sense of freedom, I don't

have to worry about any of that any

0:37:320:37:37

more. It's immense liberation.

How

did you go about it, if you're

0:37:370:37:44

drinking that much presumably it's

quite hard physically if nothing

0:37:440:37:46

else to withdraw?

The withdrawal

effects are over quite quickly to be

0:37:460:37:52

honest. A few days of feeling mild

flu but the tricky thing is

0:37:520:37:59

retraining your brain. I spent 20

years automatically reaching for a

0:37:590:38:06

glass of wine for so many different

reasons. If I was stressed.

0:38:060:38:11

Retraining yourself to find other

healthier ways of dealing with

0:38:110:38:18

everyday ups and downs takes quite a

long time. That's tricky. And

0:38:180:38:22

dealing with other people's

reactions.

That's what I wanted to

0:38:220:38:27

ask, often if you go out and say you

are not drinking people will try to

0:38:270:38:30

convince you.

Yes, people's

reactions are odd. Often they want

0:38:300:38:35

to know why you have stopped, they

want to know the horror stories,

0:38:350:38:38

they assume you are a terrible

mother and you were drinking first

0:38:380:38:45

thing in the morning or whatever. Or

they think you will be very boring

0:38:450:38:50

or they think you're going to judge

them and none of that is true.

0:38:500:38:58

them and none of that is true. Other

people's reactions are tricky to

0:38:580:39:00

deal with.

Did you judge yourself?

Did you think you were a terrible

0:39:000:39:04

mother?

I did and I think that is

part of the problem with alcohol

0:39:040:39:09

addiction, there is a lot of shame

involved. I did not like myself by

0:39:090:39:13

the end and one of the best things

about quitting as I like myself

0:39:130:39:16

again.

0:39:160:39:21

again.

You wrote this blogger and it

was secretive at first, people did

0:39:210:39:24

not know who you wear?

Yeah, I wrote

it as therapy, it was my way of

0:39:240:39:30

working everything in it out and I

did not expect people to find it and

0:39:300:39:34

I did not publicise it. But hundreds

of thousands of women around the

0:39:340:39:37

world and some men phoned me and

said I have felt the same thing and

0:39:370:39:44

I am so relieved to find out I am

not the only one. Since my book came

0:39:440:39:50

out ten days ago I've had the same

thing. Hundreds of messages from

0:39:500:39:54

people all over the world saying I

thought this was just me and it's

0:39:540:39:59

such a relief to find out it isn't.

There are a lot of women, mothers

0:39:590:40:05

particularly out there who have the

same issue but have been too

0:40:050:40:09

frightened to say anything because

we worry about being judged.

I was

0:40:090:40:14

reading one of your children noticed

you had stopped drinking.

Yes,

0:40:140:40:20

actually I asked if they thought I

was different and at the time I

0:40:200:40:25

think he was nine and I said do you

think money is different Sunjic she

0:40:250:40:30

stopped drinking and he went yes,

you are more, and I paused thinking

0:40:300:40:35

what is he going to say? He said you

are more money issue and I thought

0:40:350:40:42

"Hooray" because that's what I

wanted to be.

0:40:420:40:48

wanted to be.

Thank you so much for

coming in.

0:40:510:41:00

With President Trump cancelling his

visit to the UK is this the end of

0:41:030:41:06

the special relationship? Let's head

back to Nottingham and speak to

0:41:060:41:13

someone caught up in the fire at

Nottingham train station. I was

0:41:130:41:19

reading a bit of text which was sent

an earlier on to the BBC. Tell me

0:41:190:41:25

what you saw, you got to the train

station around 6:30am is that right?

0:41:250:41:30

Yes, just after for the 6:52am train

to London. There was a fire engine

0:41:300:41:39

at the front, I did not know if it

was linked anything so I carried on

0:41:390:41:43

into the station. Went up to the

concourse and as I was entering the

0:41:430:41:47

doors there was smoke everywhere and

a member of staff came out and said

0:41:470:41:51

we had to evacuate the building. So

we did that, went outside and there

0:41:510:41:56

was smoke billowing out the sides.

Quite a sight really.

Whether many

0:41:560:42:05

people around at that time of day?

Not that many at that time. A few

0:42:050:42:11

people, I would say no more than 20,

just stood outside wondering what

0:42:110:42:15

was going on. Fire alarms were going

off and the police and the fire

0:42:150:42:21

engine at the front of the station

so we stood around for a bit not

0:42:210:42:25

knowing what to do then we were

asked to move back because the smoke

0:42:250:42:30

started getting quite heavy close to

where we wear.

The pictures look

0:42:300:42:35

incredibly dramatic, do they do

justice to what you saw?

It was

0:42:350:42:41

dramatic. I have never seen, been

that close to a fire like that

0:42:410:42:46

before. I could not see any flames

from where I was stood but there was

0:42:460:42:50

definitely smoke and you could smell

burning and all that kind of thing.

0:42:500:42:53

Then we were asked to move away from

the area and go across the bridge

0:42:530:42:59

and that is when you could see it

from a distance and you could see

0:42:590:43:02

the top of the flames, this red he

is a of black smoke billowing out

0:43:020:43:08

the top. That is when the wee side

properly and realised how serious it

0:43:080:43:14

was.

Whether a lot of fire engines

at the scene and firefighters?

Yeah,

0:43:140:43:21

12-mac firefighters wandering around

making sure nobody else was inside.

0:43:210:43:28

It seemed every five minutes there

were more emergency vehicles

0:43:300:43:33

arriving at the scene so you knew it

must have been quite bad if they

0:43:330:43:36

kept having to call more people.

Were people worried, was there a

0:43:360:43:41

sense of panic? Or were people just

can't doing what they were told?

0:43:410:43:48

Nobody was worried, it was quite

obvious what was happening and

0:43:480:43:51

everyone was calmly trying to figure

out what they will do, how they were

0:43:510:43:54

going to get where they needed to

go.

Thanks ever so much for giving

0:43:540:44:00

us your eyewitness account of that

fire.

0:44:000:44:08

fire. Let me read you this which has

come from the Mayor of London Sadiq

0:44:080:44:13

Khan. He has issued the following

statement on the cancellation of

0:44:130:44:18

President Trump's visit. Sadiq Khan

says it appears President Trump got

0:44:180:44:25

the message from the many Londoners

who love and admire America and

0:44:250:44:29

Americans but find his policies and

actions the polar opposite of our

0:44:290:44:33

cities values of inclusion,

diversity and tolerance. His visit

0:44:330:44:37

next month would without doubt have

been met by mass peaceful protests.

0:44:370:44:42

This just reinforces what a mistake

it was for Theresa May to rush and

0:44:420:44:46

extend an invitation of a state

visit in the first place. Let's hope

0:44:460:44:50

Donald Trump also revisits the

pursuit of his divisive agenda. That

0:44:500:44:55

is a

0:44:550:45:01

is a statement coming in from the

Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan after

0:45:010:45:03

President Trump said he is going to

cancel his trip. He is meant to be

0:45:030:45:06

opening the new American embassy

which has moved to Vauxhall. He was

0:45:060:45:10

unimpressed by it and blamed Barack

Obama for the decision but the

0:45:100:45:13

decision was taken during the George

W. Bush administration but the

0:45:130:45:17

details of where iron out during the

Obama administration. But as we know

0:45:170:45:23

Theresa May has said a visit by

President Trump will happen at some

0:45:230:45:27

point, she was talking to Andrew

Marr on the BBC in the last few

0:45:270:45:30

days.

0:45:300:45:36

Your experience as well, I whine

o'clock. Do you find that if you're

0:45:410:45:47

a stay at home mum, a working mum,

do you often open a bottle earlier

0:45:470:45:54

and earlier? Do find that your

drinking is starting earlier and

0:45:540:45:58

earlier? I tried to modify her

drinking and thought it was not

0:45:580:46:03

possible to give up drinking. Tina

said she has not drunk and 27 years

0:46:030:46:06

as she was a binge drinker and used

it as an escape and now hate the

0:46:060:46:11

thought of being drunk and much

prefers to be in control of herself.

0:46:110:46:15

I think we are also going to get

some more information coming through

0:46:150:46:20

on the fire from Nottingham. Of

course, that train station fire. We

0:46:200:46:27

were talking to Laura just a few

minutes ago. Lots of reporters down

0:46:270:46:31

on the scene trying to get a sense

of that scale of the fire. Victoria

0:46:310:46:36

Norris is that the scene. John Mills

is the operational commander there.

0:46:360:46:41

He has been speaking to reporters at

the scene. He said that at 6:30am

0:46:410:46:46

there was a call about a fire in

toilets which had developed and

0:46:460:46:54

spread. It was a demanding incident

that had spread quickly. The fire

0:46:540:47:00

has progressed into voids. There are

no casualties or injuries. That has

0:47:000:47:04

been confirmed. There are emergency

services involved. He says nothing

0:47:040:47:10

can be ruled out at this stage.

Police are investigating as well as

0:47:100:47:19

fire investigators. The fire is

still burning, it did spread very

0:47:190:47:24

quickly. The operational commander

went on to say this fire was about

0:47:240:47:28

complexity, rather than the size.

Fire in voids, where you cannot see

0:47:280:47:33

the orange flames, and the heat was

very significant. Clearly the

0:47:330:47:37

station will be closed for the rest

of the day. Huge implications are

0:47:370:47:42

for people who are trying to

commute. Many people commute from

0:47:420:47:47

Nottingham into London. No trains

for the rest of the day. Clearly,

0:47:470:47:50

you need to have other plans if

you're trying to get from Nottingham

0:47:500:47:54

station to anywhere else.

0:47:540:47:55

We've talked a lot on this programme

about the difficulties some people

0:47:550:47:58

face when they are moved

onto universal Credit -

0:47:580:48:00

that's the new benefit system

consolidating six payments into one.

0:48:000:48:03

Today the government is being warned

that people claiming tax credits

0:48:030:48:07

are at risk of financial problems

as they transfer

0:48:070:48:09

to Universal Credit.

0:48:090:48:10

MPs on the Public Accounts Committee

are particularly concerned that

0:48:100:48:13

people are being over-payed in error

and will struggle to pay it back.

0:48:130:48:16

We've reported extensively

on the hardship faced by some people

0:48:160:48:18

on Universal Credit.

0:48:180:48:19

Here's a clip from a woman

who spoke to us last year.

0:48:190:48:27

They've turned round and said I have

to wait between six weeks and three

0:48:300:48:33

months before I get payment.

0:48:330:48:34

And so, for the last

two and a half weeks,

0:48:340:48:37

you haven't had any money in at all?

0:48:370:48:39

Nothing, nothing whatsoever.

0:48:390:48:40

And how have things been

for you in that time?

0:48:400:48:42

Very, very difficult.

0:48:420:48:43

Last weekend, we've had no food,

my five-year-old's last

0:48:430:48:45

food was school dinners.

0:48:450:48:49

On the Saturday, we were

walking down the street,

0:48:490:48:52

and she was searching in bins

for food, cos she was starving.

0:48:520:48:55

She was, like, ripping McDonald's

bags to see if there was any chips

0:48:550:48:58

or anything on the floor.

0:48:580:48:59

It was awful, broke my heart.

0:48:590:49:02

Sunday, there was no food,

she was going to bed,

0:49:020:49:04

her stomach was rumbling -

"I'm hungry, I'm

0:49:040:49:06

hungry, I'm hungry."

0:49:060:49:08

And she had no food Saturday,

Sunday, went to school

0:49:080:49:10

really, really hungry.

0:49:100:49:13

You take her to bed,

and her tummy's rumbling,

0:49:130:49:16

and you're just giving her water,

but she wants food, and you can't...

0:49:160:49:20

I can't go into the shop

and steal, it's awful.

0:49:200:49:23

I can't keep asking neighbours

for food, because I shouldn't

0:49:230:49:26

have to live like this.

0:49:260:49:28

That is awful.

0:49:280:49:29

I had to go to foodbank to get

some food, you know.

0:49:290:49:33

Without that, they would still

be without food now.

0:49:330:49:36

I don't know if I'm going

to still have my house,

0:49:360:49:39

because I need to pay my rent,

council tax is due, I don't know.

0:49:390:49:42

It's...my worst nightmare.

0:49:420:49:44

What do I do next?

0:49:440:49:47

Do I beg on the street to get

some milk and bread?

0:49:470:49:50

I don't want to do that either.

0:49:500:49:51

But it might come to

the stage where I have to.

0:49:510:49:59

Now we will talk to Shabana Mahmood

from the Public Accounts Committee,

0:50:020:50:09

It Boyd is the managing director for

the Centre for Social Justice and

0:50:090:50:18

Brendan Faulkner, a Universal Credit

recipient who has had serious

0:50:180:50:22

financial difficulty.

0:50:220:50:27

do you understand some of the

concerns, and there have been many

0:50:270:50:32

that have been highlighted, although

Universal Credit?

There have been a

0:50:320:50:35

number of rightful concern is to

make sure that as people transition

0:50:350:50:38

from the older to the new that it

happens really smoothly and easily,

0:50:380:50:43

and what was welcomed was assumed

the government towards the last year

0:50:430:50:47

put £1.5 billion more in to make

sure that if somebody comes into the

0:50:470:50:51

system with any financial hardship,

that within 24 hours they can get

0:50:510:50:54

their entire payment. We did not

have that before. There was a bit of

0:50:540:50:58

an issue but we have that now and we

should see as new people come on,

0:50:580:51:02

that should make a massive

difference and stop people falling

0:51:020:51:05

into poverty, which is a fantastic

thing.

This will be eloquently

0:51:050:51:10

outlined any moment when Mr Mahmud

joins us, but the concern that the

0:51:100:51:16

Public Accounts Committee has is

that people are going to be

0:51:160:51:21

overpaid, clearly not their fault,

and then that money will be clawed

0:51:210:51:25

back and, in certain cases, that

means real, real hardship because

0:51:250:51:29

the amount of money being clawed

back every month, which is not their

0:51:290:51:33

month, means they are struggling to

survive.

There is a huge issue here

0:51:330:51:37

and there has been for decades.

Under tax credits, you would be

0:51:370:51:40

overpaid and then at the end of the

year somebody would say you need to

0:51:400:51:45

give us thousands of pounds, we

would like it back. Often that

0:51:450:51:48

request was made in one go at the

end of the year. What is better

0:51:480:51:52

about Universal Credit, and it was

designed to tackle this problem, it

0:51:520:51:55

is not waiting to be end of the

year. Every single month is more

0:51:550:51:59

limited back. Generally it is about

£30 per month, the maximum.

That is

0:51:590:52:03

a lot of money. If they are living

on benefits, that is a small -- not

0:52:030:52:09

a small amount of money. It makes

the difference between being able to

0:52:090:52:12

get food or putting the heating on.

It is about 3% of the average

0:52:120:52:18

amount, a sizeable amount, but this

is where the work coaches on the

0:52:180:52:21

front line need to make good calls.

In what, it is set out that they

0:52:210:52:25

should not ring back money any

quicker, and in a way that would

0:52:250:52:31

push people into poverty. The law

clearly sets that out and there is

0:52:310:52:35

flexibility for each work coached to

do it merit by merit. If they think

0:52:350:52:38

this will push somebody into

poverty, they can reduce the amount

0:52:380:52:43

to as little as £1 per month to make

sure that people have enough to go

0:52:430:52:46

by. Those people need to use that

discretion, they need to be trained

0:52:460:52:52

really well and as the new system

come on, but will be litmus test.

I

0:52:520:52:57

think that could be music to the

ears of Brendan Faulkner, who is

0:52:570:53:00

just over your shoulder. Thank you

for joining us. Edward was just

0:53:000:53:04

talking to us about how there can be

flexibility on the system. If you

0:53:040:53:10

are overpaid on tax credits, they

can reduce the amount you have to be

0:53:100:53:13

back. Tell us what happened to your

tax credits when you removed over to

0:53:130:53:18

Universal Credit.

I was on child tax

credits and then I got a letter to

0:53:180:53:24

say I had been overpaid by, I think,

£110. That they would be in touch

0:53:240:53:30

with me in the future to see how

much they would be going back. They

0:53:300:53:34

never got in touch with me. I have

said the letters by recorded

0:53:340:53:39

delivery to find out, you know, when

this is from, what date it is from

0:53:390:53:47

and until. They never gave me the

dates that it was possibly overpaid

0:53:470:53:50

until. They started taking the money

out of my benefit, without

0:53:500:53:57

consulting with me.

So, they did not

warn you that they were going to

0:53:570:54:02

take the money?

No, it is only 10.20

5p per month, I have checked this

0:54:020:54:06

morning, but when I went my journal,

and I have -- if I had not gone on

0:54:060:54:11

to that is EMI other deductions are

going, I would not have even known

0:54:110:54:16

that I was... The money was being

taken for tax credits.

What impact

0:54:160:54:23

is that money that is being taken

away from you having on your ability

0:54:230:54:28

to clothe yourself, feed yourself,

pretty roof over your head?

Well,

0:54:280:54:35

going over to Universal Credit, I

did lose a certain amount anyway

0:54:350:54:40

from my jobseeker's allowance.

Roughly £30 per week. So, I have

0:54:400:54:48

lost that on the Universal Credit

and then this on top, it is a few

0:54:480:54:53

days electric, this £10, or it is,

you know, going towards my shopping.

0:54:530:54:59

I am a single dad, I have my son, I

have got him to a deal to bring up

0:54:590:55:03

between me and his mum. I have got

to make sure that he is clothed and

0:55:030:55:07

fed. It is not there to leave it all

to his mother, obviously, and he is

0:55:070:55:12

worth the week anyway. Use a

seven-year-old lad, growing, so I

0:55:120:55:18

have to make sure he is OK. School

shoes, keeping up with the friends

0:55:180:55:24

of skill. Obviously cannot afford

the latest trainers, but a decent

0:55:240:55:29

clothing.

And they grow so fast.

This one does!

Just hearing what

0:55:290:55:35

Edward said, that those payments...

It is not your fault that you were

0:55:350:55:38

overpaid, they could be reduced to

£2 per week. Without be better for

0:55:380:55:43

you or would you rather get rid of

it sooner?

You know, it is £10 25

0:55:430:55:47

per month. I do not mind it carrying

on at that amount. It is negligible,

0:55:470:55:58

£2 per week, but it would mean nice

to be informed about what would

0:55:580:56:01

happen. I was not informed. I have

three letters to HMRC to see, you

0:56:010:56:08

know, what the gates were, to see if

I did all this money, and I have

0:56:080:56:12

heard nothing back. I have tried

phoning, you are on the phone for

0:56:120:56:16

ever and nobody gives you an answer.

And that is frustrating. Listen, I

0:56:160:56:20

want to bring and other speakers.

Someone from the Public Accounts

0:56:200:56:25

Committee has joined us. Can you

outline what the concerns are the

0:56:250:56:29

Public Accounts Committee average

tax credits and people moving over

0:56:290:56:33

to Universal Credit?

Good morning.

Our major concern in the committee

0:56:330:56:36

was that a large number of people

have an overpayment on their tax

0:56:360:56:42

credit accounts. It is mostly due to

error, occasionally due to fraud.

0:56:420:56:46

But we are particularly concerned

about those who have an overpayment

0:56:460:56:50

and as they are transferred on to

Universal Credit, there is a risk

0:56:500:56:54

that overpayment follows them and

the Department for Work & Pensions,

0:56:540:57:00

who administer Universal Credit,

have much greater powers when it

0:57:000:57:02

comes to recovery of money by way of

overpayment. They can take money

0:57:020:57:06

directly from your earnings, which

is a very different approach to what

0:57:060:57:10

HMRC currently have in relation to

tax credits. We were concerned that

0:57:100:57:14

this might fall through between two

different government departments and

0:57:140:57:17

there has not been a conversation

between both of those as to how they

0:57:170:57:21

will work together to migrate

claimants. My particular concern is

0:57:210:57:25

a constituency MP, was a lot of

constituents on tax credits, they

0:57:250:57:30

might find that they are pushed

further into poverty when they move

0:57:300:57:33

into Universal Credit through no

fault of their own.

One of the

0:57:330:57:39

important thing is Universal Credit,

Brendan's topic is fattening, --

0:57:390:57:45

fascinating, clearly there should be

much more communication. It is

0:57:450:57:48

worrying that you should not cure

that. You said that he wrote to

0:57:480:57:53

HMRC, it is one the DWP, they should

be getting back to you clearly

0:57:530:57:58

anyway. In terms of Bishop people

into poverty, if you step back from

0:57:580:58:01

the detail where there is a few

cases where communication has not

0:58:010:58:06

been great, this should lead to

250,000 more people being in work.

0:58:060:58:10

The result of that is huge. A child

growing up any workless family, they

0:58:100:58:15

are three times more likely to be in

poverty. This supports people more

0:58:150:58:19

to work. All the evidence from

government and the IFS and everybody

0:58:190:58:22

else says this is one of the most

effective poverty fighting tool. To

0:58:220:58:26

see it pushes people into poverty

feels like it is stretching the ball

0:58:260:58:33

too far.

I think a misunderstanding

-- your misunderstanding. It was not

0:58:330:58:36

about whether Universal Credit is a

good reform or not, that is a matter

0:58:360:58:39

for another committee on another

day. We are concerned about tax

0:58:390:58:42

credits and overpayment on tax

credits which are forecast to rise,

0:58:420:58:46

and how they will be migrated onto

Universal Credit. This is a matter

0:58:460:58:50

of administration. It requires those

two government departments to talk

0:58:500:58:58

to one another and make sure they

have a process in place so that

0:58:580:59:01

accidentally we do not find that

people, through lack of good

0:59:010:59:03

administrative practice, are forced

into greater poverty than is

0:59:030:59:05

necessary. We want to make sure that

conversation happens and that is why

0:59:050:59:08

we asked HMRC to come back to us at

the end of March with a proper plan

0:59:080:59:11

of action. This is one of those

things that will just slept through

0:59:110:59:14

the net, and as a constituency MP, I

will have people coming to my advice

0:59:140:59:19

surgery

0:59:190:59:24

surgery with those very specific

problem and we are trying to get

0:59:280:59:30

that off.

Thank you ever so much for

joining us this morning, all of you.

0:59:300:59:33

We asked the government

for a representative

0:59:330:59:35

to join us but were given

the following statement from HMRC:

0:59:350:59:37

Just like the previous system,

tax credit overpayments

0:59:370:59:39

are recovered by regular

deductions and people are told

0:59:390:59:41

about this in advance.

0:59:410:59:43

There are safeguards in place

to protect claimants from large

0:59:430:59:45

deductions being taken at one time

and budgeting support is available

0:59:450:59:48

to help people manage their money.

0:59:480:59:49

Let's get the latest weather update.

0:59:490:59:50

Let's get the latest weather update.

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How is it looking?

Always ready and waiting. I have got

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news of a change in weather take

over the next few days. Stay with

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me. Things are said to liven up a

little bit, for the weather. Lots of

0:59:591:00:05

great skies around for many. Misty,

foggy mornings but through Sunday

1:00:051:00:08

night and into Monday, we will see

heavy rain and strong winds for a

1:00:081:00:12

spell. Once that clears, a big

weather change for next week. Much,

1:00:121:00:16

much colder, and clearer at times,

but we will see some strong winds

1:00:161:00:21

and wintry showers heading our way.

Bringing that weather change is a

1:00:211:00:25

change of the jet stream is. This

ribbon of fast flowing in is coming

1:00:251:00:30

out of the US and Canada, diving up

and down, never really pushing

1:00:301:00:34

towards us, so we have been stuck in

this benign weather system for the

1:00:341:00:37

past two days. If we show you what

happens to that by Sunday, it

1:00:371:00:40

charges towards us. It is that which

will engineer the change in weather

1:00:401:00:44

type for next week. That is a few

days away. I'd fear at the moment it

1:00:441:00:48

is a case of as you were. Lots of

great cloud outside. Some mist and

1:00:481:00:53

fog still lingering at the moment.

The old spot are no good through

1:00:531:00:56

central and eastern parts of

England. Most having a dry day and

1:00:561:00:59

some of you already seen the

function. A few more bricks bearing,

1:00:591:01:03

particularly across parts of Wales,

England, Cumbria, the central belt

1:01:031:01:07

of Scotland and the far north of

Scotland. With sunshine and clouds,

1:01:071:01:10

temperatures were they should be for

a time of year. But it will feel

1:01:101:01:14

much better when you have got the

sunshine on your back. Into tonight,

1:01:141:01:18

the mist, some low cloud once again

continuing. A bit more breeze

1:01:181:01:22

tonight. Follow not so much of an

issue. What you will notice is the

1:01:221:01:26

window strengthens towards the West.

Returns turns water towards Northern

1:01:261:01:29

Ireland and later into Pembrokeshire

and also Cornwall. Main chance of

1:01:291:01:35

frost, probably northern part of

Scotland, where skies remain clear

1:01:351:01:38

as overnight. Into the weekend we

go. Some sunny breaks, the North of

1:01:381:01:41

Scotland. One or two perhaps

brighter breaks compared with recent

1:01:411:01:46

days, but plenty of cloud in the

West. Outbreaks of rain coming and

1:01:461:01:50

going all day long in Northern

Ireland and turning water across the

1:01:501:01:52

hill fog of Wales, Cornwall, Devon

and maybe into the Western fringes

1:01:521:01:55

of Scotland. Slightly cooler and

eastern parts. Through Saturday into

1:01:551:02:03

zombie, chance of frost, mist and

fog, fairly cloudy day on Sunday. We

1:02:031:02:07

see the weather front line, grinding

to a halt. Patchy rain or drizzle

1:02:071:02:13

here. Many eastern areas will be

dry. A bit of brightness breaking

1:02:131:02:16

through the cloud but later on we

see it turn water towards western

1:02:161:02:20

Scotland and Northern Ireland. Not

just wet but windy, and that a spell

1:02:201:02:26

of very windy weather as it sweeps

beautifully southwards through

1:02:261:02:30

Sunday into Monday. We will open the

day too much, much colder for next

1:02:301:02:32

week and a bit of sleet and snow on

the forecast as well.

1:02:321:02:42

Donald Trump cancels a trip to the

UK to open the new US embassy.

1:02:421:02:49

In a tweet he blames Obama

for the making a bad deal

1:02:491:02:51

and choosing an "off location".

1:02:511:02:53

The new billion-dollar embassy due

to open next week, we will get

1:02:531:02:59

reaction to this decision by Donald

Trump, including from Mayor of

1:02:591:03:02

London Sadiq Khan.

1:03:021:03:04

We'll be speaking to former

British ambassador to

1:03:041:03:06

the United States Lord Renwick.

1:03:061:03:09

We will discuss how this decision

will be viewed by the British

1:03:091:03:14

government. There are no reports of

casualties but travellers have been

1:03:141:03:18

evacuated and trains cancelled after

a fire breaks out at Nottingham

1:03:181:03:21

train station.

1:03:211:03:23

A new study of women with breast

cancer suggests that having a double

1:03:231:03:26

mastectomy does not increase

the survival rates of young woman

1:03:261:03:29

who carry the BRCA gene.

1:03:291:03:30

We'll speak to a breast

cancer survivor.

1:03:301:03:36

Good morning.

1:03:401:03:41

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of todays news.

1:03:411:03:44

Donald Trump has cancelled

a planned visit to the UK.

1:03:441:03:47

The US President tweeted that he no

longer wants to open

1:03:471:03:50

the new American embassy in London.

1:03:501:03:57

He incorrectly stated it had been

commissioned by his predecessor

1:03:571:04:00

Barack Obama. John Donaldson joins

me from outside the embassy, this is

1:04:001:04:09

what Donald Trump considers to be an

"Off location" but it was the

1:04:091:04:16

Republican predecessor to Barack

Obama, George W Bush, who decided

1:04:161:04:20

the location should change.

That's

right, the decision was made in

1:04:201:04:26

October 2008 which was before

President Obama took office so it

1:04:261:04:30

was a decision by George W Bush, he

decided to move from the famous

1:04:301:04:34

location in the gross on a square in

Mayfair to hearing Vauxhall. This is

1:04:341:04:40

the questioning Belding, it cost

more than $1 billion and the

1:04:401:04:44

supposed open for business next

week. We have got a reaction

1:04:441:04:50

including from Mayor of London Sadiq

Khan who has said it appears

1:04:501:04:54

President Trump got the message from

the many Londoners who love and

1:04:541:04:58

admire America and Americans but

find things policies and actions the

1:04:581:05:01

polar opposite of our cities values

of inclusion, diversity and

1:05:011:05:05

tolerance. He went on to say the

visit next month would without doubt

1:05:051:05:11

have been met by mass peaceful

protests. This is not the state

1:05:111:05:17

visit people have been talking about

which is also controversial, this

1:05:171:05:22

would have been a much more

low-profile smaller a fair, the

1:05:221:05:28

state visit still expected to happen

next year is still very much in

1:05:281:05:32

doubt.

1:05:321:05:36

A huge fire has ripped

through Nottingham railway station.

1:05:361:05:38

Nottinghamshire Fire and rescue

described it as a 'large incident'

1:05:381:05:41

with multiple fire engines

at the scene.

1:05:411:05:42

Trains are cancelled and the station

will remain shut all day.

1:05:421:05:45

A study of women with breast cancer

suggests that having a double

1:05:451:05:48

mastectomy does not increase

the chances of survival in younger

1:05:481:05:50

patients who have what's

known as the BRCA gene.

1:05:501:05:54

The researchers also found that

women treated for breast cancer had

1:05:541:05:57

the same survival rates -

regardless of whether or not

1:05:571:05:59

they had the mutation.

1:05:591:06:04

An 18-year-old from the Scottish

highlands has died after

1:06:041:06:06

contracting the flu virus.

1:06:061:06:07

Bethany Walker was airlifted

to hospital in Inverness

1:06:071:06:09

from her home in Wester Ross,

but her illness had developed

1:06:091:06:12

into pneumonia and staff

were unable to save her.

1:06:121:06:16

Elsewhere, in England,

there has been a sharp rise

1:06:161:06:20

in the number of flu cases seen

by GPs - up 78 % from last week.

1:06:201:06:24

The conduct of the media is expected

to be examined by the independent

1:06:241:06:27

review into the response

to the Manchester Arena bombing.

1:06:271:06:30

22 people were killed when a bomb

was set off after a pop concert

1:06:301:06:34

at the venue in May.

1:06:341:06:36

Several of the bereaved families

have raised concerns

1:06:361:06:39

about the reporting of the attack.

1:06:391:06:42

The review will also look

at the role played by social media.

1:06:421:06:44

The BBC is said "deeply unimpressed"

with an off-air chat in which two

1:06:441:06:48

of its presenters joked

about the pay gap between the sexes.

1:06:481:06:51

That's according to a source

at the corporation.

1:06:511:06:54

BBC Radio 4 Today presenter

John Humphrys and North America

1:06:541:06:57

editor Jon Sopel were discussing

Carrie Gracie, who had just quit her

1:06:571:07:01

China Editor job over equal pay.

1:07:011:07:05

In an exchange before Monday's

show, it's reported they

1:07:051:07:07

they joked about "handing over" pay

to keep her in post.

1:07:071:07:09

A BBC spokeswoman said

the presenter regrets

1:07:091:07:11

the "ill-advised" conversation.

1:07:111:07:19

Jewellery worth millions of euros

stolen from the Ritz hotel in Paris

1:07:221:07:25

has been recovered after one of the

thieves dropped his bag while trying

1:07:251:07:30

to escape. Three men armed with axes

were arrested after being blocked

1:07:301:07:34

inside the building on Wednesday

evening. Two accomplices waiting

1:07:341:07:39

outside on mopeds escaped but

dropped the bag containing all the

1:07:391:07:42

jewellery after crashing into

pedestrians.

1:07:421:07:47

That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10.30am.

1:07:471:07:50

Please get in touch on all of the

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are texting you will be charged the

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Here's some sport now with Hugh.

1:07:591:08:03

You might remember last year

Margaret Court the 11 time

1:08:031:08:07

Australian open winner and avowed

Christian voiced opposition to gay

1:08:071:08:10

marriage and made derogatory

comments regarding transgender

1:08:101:08:13

people. Ahead of the start of this

years tournament the great Billie

1:08:131:08:17

Jean King is now calling for the

arena in Melbourne after her to be

1:08:171:08:22

renamed, here is Russell Fuller.

Billie Jean King was reigniting the

1:08:221:08:27

debate which started in May when

Margaret Court, the winner of 24

1:08:271:08:30

grand slam titles during her career

had some very outspoken views on gay

1:08:301:08:36

marriage. She also added tennis was

full of lesbians and that

1:08:361:08:40

transgender children were the work

of the devil. The Margaret Court

1:08:401:08:43

Arena here in Melbourne Park takes

her name and tennis Australia said

1:08:431:08:48

at the time we are not going to

change the name even though they

1:08:481:08:52

distance themselves from her views.

Today Billie Jean King speaking in

1:08:521:08:56

Melbourne has said the court should

have its name changed and that if

1:08:561:09:00

she was playing today she would not

be playing any matches on that

1:09:001:09:02

court.

Staying down under, a good

warm up for Heather Watson, despite

1:09:021:09:11

defeat overnight, missing out on her

first WTA final in two years, she

1:09:111:09:17

was beaten in three sets in the

semifinal. After 12 years at Arsenal

1:09:171:09:24

Theo Walcott looks like he may well

be on his way out of the club very

1:09:241:09:28

soon. This morning Everton boss Sam

Allardyce confirmed the teams have

1:09:281:09:33

entered negotiations over the

28-year-old with a permanent

1:09:331:09:38

transfer Everton's preferred option.

Sam Allardyce says he would be a

1:09:381:09:41

fantastic addition. And he might not

be the only player leaving the

1:09:411:09:47

Emirates, Alexis Sanchez is likely

to leave the FA Cup holders this

1:09:471:09:52

January if a suitable offer arrives

and other placement is secured.

1:09:521:09:58

Finally Anthony Joshua's hopes of

holding free heavyweight titles

1:09:581:10:01

later this year look to have moved a

step further. His proposed

1:10:011:10:07

unification fight against Joseph

Parker of New Zealand could be

1:10:071:10:10

confirmed within the next 24 hours.

Parker is set to arrive in London

1:10:101:10:15

with the news conference to announce

the boat next week. That'll be sport

1:10:151:10:19

now.

1:10:191:10:21

Is this an end to the so-called

Special Relationship?

1:10:211:10:23

Donald Trump has cancelled his

planned visit to Britain

1:10:231:10:25

to officially open the new American

embassy in London.

1:10:251:10:28

That was planned for next month.

1:10:281:10:33

The US President took to Twitter

to explain his reasons

1:10:331:10:36

behind the decision,

blaming the Obama administration

1:10:361:10:37

for selling the best location

for 'peanuts' and building

1:10:371:10:39

a new embassy at great cost.

1:10:391:10:43

As well as this visit,

Theresa has invited Mr Trump

1:10:431:10:47

for a major state visit this year

which has proved controversial.

1:10:471:10:51

Mr Trump's ban on people

from several Muslim majority

1:10:511:10:56

countries entering the US sparked

protests in cities across the UK.

1:10:561:10:59

And an online petition calling

for US president not to receive

1:10:591:11:02

a full state visit drew one point

eight million signatures.

1:11:021:11:08

During the Queen's speech

at the State Opening

1:11:081:11:12

of Parliament last June

the trip wasn't mentioned,

1:11:121:11:14

raising claims it was in doubt.

1:11:141:11:17

And there were signs

of strains in the special

1:11:171:11:20

relationship, including

disagreements over Mr Trump's move

1:11:201:11:24

to recognise Jerusalem

as Israel's capital.

1:11:241:11:26

And in November, Mr Trump clashed

with Mrs May after she said

1:11:261:11:29

it was 'wrong' for the US president

to share videos posted by

1:11:291:11:32

the far-right group Britain First.

1:11:321:11:35

But just last weekend

she confirmed the invite

1:11:351:11:37

for a state visit still stood.

1:11:371:11:43

Making decisions in the best

interests of the United States.

And

1:11:431:11:47

he's coming to this country?

He will

be coming to this country.

1:11:471:11:52

Lord Renwick is a former British

ambassador to the United States,

1:11:521:11:54

and has written a book called

"Fighting with Allies," which looks

1:11:541:11:57

at the special relationship

between Britain and America.

1:11:571:11:59

Thank you for coming in. Is this bad

news for the UK that President Trump

1:11:591:12:02

has pulled out of this visit?

It is

because the reason he has given for

1:12:021:12:08

doing it is self-evidently not the

real reason. The real reason is he

1:12:081:12:12

thinks if he does visit here there

will be a huge amount of whining

1:12:121:12:17

from half the political class

including the Minister of the

1:12:171:12:19

opposition so he doesn't want to do

that in present circumstances and

1:12:191:12:24

who can blame him? From our point of

view the bad news about this is that

1:12:241:12:27

if you want to go on trying to have

some influence in the world you have

1:12:271:12:32

to talk to the US president. Trump

is not always wrong, he's been doing

1:12:321:12:37

far better in the fight against

crisis which is very important to us

1:12:371:12:42

than President Obama did. We need a

free-trade agreement as we stop

1:12:421:12:46

trading with everyone we badly need

a free-trade agreement with the US

1:12:461:12:50

and we need the support for that. If

you want to persuade him not to tear

1:12:501:12:55

up the nuclear agreement with Iran

you cannot do it by shouting at him,

1:12:551:12:59

you have to try talking to him.

Does

he see there is a special

1:12:591:13:04

relationship, does he value it?

There is not a special relationship

1:13:041:13:08

and there has not been for the last

50 years. Try reading my book! What

1:13:081:13:14

there is is a close relationship,

especially in defence, trade,

1:13:141:13:18

investment and so on. Special

relationship is the impression we

1:13:181:13:24

are completely different, Trump has

just made, he has been welcomed in

1:13:241:13:27

Paris by President Emmanuel Macron,

he has been welcomed in China by

1:13:271:13:34

President Shi Zheng

1:13:341:13:37

he has been welcomed by the premised

of Japan. I think it's not a good

1:13:371:13:41

development to have him not wanting

to come here.

Theresa May says he is

1:13:411:13:46

still coming here, do you think a

state visit is on?

Of course the

1:13:461:13:52

government will say that and

probably at some point he will come

1:13:521:13:55

here but not if he thinks is going

to get an awful reception.

Sadiq

1:13:551:13:59

Khan read out a statement earlier,

he said this is good as he realised

1:13:591:14:04

he would face widescale protests,

this is good he's not coming.

That

1:14:041:14:10

is frankly stupid.

Elaborate.

The

United States is our most important

1:14:101:14:18

ally. How can it be good if the

American president does not come to

1:14:181:14:23

Britain when we need American

support in a lot of ways. The

1:14:231:14:28

Americans are quite worried about us

at the moment, they are worried

1:14:281:14:31

about Brexit and they are extremely

worried about the ever increasing

1:14:311:14:35

defence cuts which are reducing the

British Army to an absolute shadow

1:14:351:14:39

of its former self. The Americans

are great admirers of our Armed

1:14:391:14:45

Forces and have told the government

repeatedly that they will be

1:14:451:14:48

extremely concerned if there are

further defence cuts here. The fact

1:14:481:14:52

is our importance is shrinking and

if you behave as Sadiq Khan wants us

1:14:521:14:56

to it will shrink faster and

further.

What

1:14:561:15:05

further.

What about people who say

that the things Donald Trump has

1:15:051:15:07

done, limiting people from Muslim

countries, retweeting things from

1:15:071:15:09

Britain first, having views many

people in this country find a

1:15:091:15:12

warrant, is it difficult for Theresa

May to roll out the red carpet and

1:15:121:15:15

say please be welcome there will be

no protests.

I have just explained

1:15:151:15:20

that the President of France, who

has similar views to us on many

1:15:201:15:25

things, welcomed Donald Trump at the

14 July celebrations in Paris and so

1:15:251:15:30

did the Paris crowd by the way. We

should have invited him to the

1:15:301:15:36

Cenotaph celebrations to remind

people what they relationship with

1:15:361:15:39

America is all about.

Thank you ever

so much for coming in.

1:15:391:15:42

Well, let's discuss this

further with Bandy X Lee -

1:15:451:15:48

a forensic psychiatrist

from Yale University

1:15:481:15:52

and editor of the book

1:15:521:15:53

'The Dangerous Case of Donald

Trump'.

1:15:531:15:55

And Drew Liquerman, Spokesperson

for Republicans Overseas.

1:15:551:16:02

I want to ask you about some of the

points that we picked up with Lord

1:16:021:16:08

Raynet about the special

relationship. Do you think the

1:16:081:16:11

special relationship exists between

the UK and the US?

I do think it

1:16:111:16:18

exists. It is a better rocky, but I

do not think that is necessarily a

1:16:181:16:22

result of today's news about Tramp.

I think the Jerusalem move

1:16:221:16:29

especially really came off horribly

on Republicans and Democrats. A lot

1:16:291:16:32

of Democrats also, the UK trying to

tell the US where they can put their

1:16:321:16:38

embassy in another foreign country.

It certainly does not help that

1:16:381:16:43

Donald Trump did not feel welcome in

the UK whereas they have welcomed

1:16:431:16:49

world leaders from despotic

countries with for a time rule that

1:16:491:16:53

persecute minorities and the man

leading the fight against his visit,

1:16:531:16:58

Jeremy Corbyn, had shared a stage

with Holocaust deniers and ask, his

1:16:581:17:03

rain, so maybe Donald Trump feels

this is rocky and Donald Trump would

1:17:031:17:09

rather go and visit Asian Pacific

allies, other European countries

1:17:091:17:17

that would welcome them. 'S so he is

feeling a bit bruised. Do you think

1:17:171:17:20

President Trump will still come to

the UK at some point this year? I am

1:17:201:17:24

sure he still will. This year... Had

to say. He will visit the UK at some

1:17:241:17:30

point. I am more than positive. I

mean, even before he was president,

1:17:301:17:36

I think the UK is one of the

countries he admires the most, I

1:17:361:17:39

just do not know if he thinks now is

the right time. 'S I want to talk to

1:17:391:17:45

you both about Donald Trump's else.

It is one of the huge discussion by

1:17:451:17:48

now was happening in the US just

met. He is undergoing a medical just

1:17:481:17:53

now, something all US presidents

have done in recent years. There

1:17:531:17:56

have been many presidents about his

health.

1:17:561:17:59

Michael Wolff's recent book has

talked about his behaviour at the

1:17:591:18:03

White House, seeing his inner circle

regularly question the President's

1:18:031:18:09

mental fitness. Do you question his

mental fitness?

Thank you for having

1:18:091:18:15

me. First, let me say I speak on my

own behalf and not from a

1:18:151:18:18

university. I have been voicing a

great deal of concern over his

1:18:181:18:26

apparent mental instability. -- and

not for my university. And the

1:18:261:18:34

ramifications that has brought

national and international security.

1:18:341:18:36

It is not his mental health itself

that is of concern to the population

1:18:361:18:39

and the public, but rather whether

or not he is able to carry out his

1:18:391:18:45

function. I have been advocating for

a capacity evaluation, as well as a

1:18:451:18:53

more in-depth neuropsychiatric

evaluation. But apparently none of

1:18:531:18:57

that will be happening today.

None of that will be happening.

1:18:571:19:01

Let's examine, let's discuss some of

the points that I've made people,

1:19:011:19:04

some people, question his health and

mental state. Forgetting the words

1:19:041:19:08

to the US national anthem at a

football game on Monday. That is the

1:19:081:19:12

allegation water people having seen

that on social media, at times he

1:19:121:19:17

was singing, at times he was not, at

other times it was the wrong words.

1:19:171:19:21

Some people are putting that down to

mental health issues.

I think the

1:19:211:19:26

mental health issues, I mean, it is

quite frankly ridiculous. The US, we

1:19:261:19:32

have seen left-wing judicial

activism where judges have said

1:19:321:19:37

let's not look at what Donald Trump

did, let's not look at whether it is

1:19:371:19:42

legal or not, let's look at whether

it is legal. Now we are seeing on

1:19:421:19:48

university campuses we are seeing

experts, we are seeing medical

1:19:481:19:52

activists say Trump said this, how

does this show mental impairment?

1:19:521:19:57

Quite frankly, I think it is

insulting to be bothered actually

1:19:571:19:59

developmental disabilities and

insulting to the profession.

What

1:19:591:20:04

would you put that down to? The fact

that he did not single of the worst

1:20:041:20:08

of the national anthem on Monday?

I

would put it down to the fact that

1:20:081:20:13

he did not then all of the worst of

the national anthem. I highly doubt

1:20:131:20:17

Donald Trump wrote the words. He

sang a few of the lines, not the

1:20:171:20:21

whole thing. -- forgot the words. I

do not think he forgot the words to

1:20:211:20:27

the national anthem. Nobody was

saying Obama's four times he has

1:20:271:20:33

been slow to put a handlers had,

does he have a mental impairment

1:20:331:20:38

that made him forget? -- to put his

hand on his heart.

I myself am very

1:20:381:20:44

concerned about a stigma, and the

influence this kind of rhetoric will

1:20:441:20:51

have on those who are suffering from

mental illness. That is why would

1:20:511:20:56

like to emphasise it is not about Mr

Trump's personal mental health

1:20:561:21:02

condition, but by now he has shown

such a wide range of concerning

1:21:021:21:10

signs. It is not just are not

singing the correct words to the

1:21:101:21:14

National Anthem. In the context of

numerous

1:21:141:21:24

numerous signs, psychological,

cognitive, neurological, that we

1:21:241:21:26

have observed in front of our eyes.

If there are such concerning signs,

1:21:261:21:32

it is incumbent on us to recommend

an evaluation and for the public to

1:21:321:21:37

demand a evaluation for somebody who

is in charge of protecting the

1:21:371:21:43

health and well-being and

protection.

Let's bring drew back

1:21:431:21:48

in. I want to look ahead. If you

look at the headlines today, there

1:21:481:21:53

are reports that Donald Trump has

used, shall we say, disparaging

1:21:531:21:58

language about certain countries

that immigrants come from. CNN are

1:21:581:22:03

calling it a new rock bottom. It is

almost daily, is it not, that we get

1:22:031:22:07

some kind of controversy surrounding

Donald Trump and his tweets? What do

1:22:071:22:10

you see the rest of his presidency

playing out like that?

The

1:22:101:22:16

controversy is about his truth about

and off the record comments he made,

1:22:161:22:21

but nobody wants to talk about the

fact that in the United States,

1:22:211:22:25

black and Hispanic unemployment

rates are at an all-time low.

1:22:251:22:30

Walmart has just announced that 2

million people are getting there are

1:22:301:22:34

legal wage raised to -- by $2 an

hour. People are Micro Focus. Trump

1:22:341:22:44

golf that as he sees it. We know

that from day one. -- hold it as he

1:22:441:22:52

sees it. The rest of his presidency

is going to go out with him getting

1:22:521:22:55

results late week is going up in

America.

Thank you very much for

1:22:551:23:00

joining us, both of you.

1:23:001:23:05

An 18-year-old woman has died in

hospital after contracting the flu

1:23:051:23:09

virus. Bethany had been suffering

from the virus at all before it

1:23:091:23:13

developed into pneumonia. She was

taken by air ambulance to hospital

1:23:131:23:16

in Inverness, where she died one

week ago. Her mother described her

1:23:161:23:20

as the best daughter she could have

ever wished for. The number of

1:23:201:23:23

people contracting the flu virus has

been on the rise. In England, around

1:23:231:23:29

5000 people were admitted to

hospital with flu in the first week

1:23:291:23:32

of January. So, how serious is this

virus? Let's speak to a doctor, who

1:23:321:23:38

joins us now. What are the real

risks and what you can actually do

1:23:381:23:42

to protect yourself? It seems

everywhere you turn of the moment,

1:23:421:23:46

people seem to be coughing,

spluttering and not well, but

1:23:461:23:50

clearly there are levels of this.

How serious is this current

1:23:501:23:54

outbreak?

The current flu outbreak

is very serious. We have seen this

1:23:541:23:57

tragic case of Bethany, only 18, who

died of pneumonia as a result of

1:23:571:24:03

having the flu. As tragic as it is,

it highlights a really important

1:24:031:24:07

issue, which is that flu is not just

a bad cold. Some people think that

1:24:071:24:12

flu is. It is not, otherwise he

would not have a vaccination problem

1:24:121:24:15

about it. We would not have all this

public health advice about it. It is

1:24:151:24:22

a very serious and can be a fatal

illness. We have had other deaths

1:24:221:24:25

already this season.

So, if people

have not had a flu vaccination,

1:24:251:24:29

should they think to go and get one

or is it too late?

It is definitely

1:24:291:24:34

not too late. You can still have

your vaccination is either in a high

1:24:341:24:40

street pharmacist if you are not

eligible or in an NHS pharmacy if

1:24:401:24:46

you are. The under fives, elderly

and pregnant women are more

1:24:461:24:51

susceptible to this, serious

illnesses like an ammonia, as a

1:24:511:24:56

result of flu.

So, before we talk

about symptoms and what you should

1:24:561:25:00

do if you get flu, what can you do

now to protect yourself? Is this

1:25:001:25:06

about handwashing and really simple

things?

Really simple things like

1:25:061:25:10

hand hygiene. People think you can

just get it from the aerosol spray,

1:25:101:25:14

of people coughing on you. No, they

can live on surfaces. Hand hygiene

1:25:141:25:20

and surface hygiene. Put some clubs

on when you're on the bus or on the

1:25:201:25:25

Underground, so you're not holding

the hand drills. -- puts on.

1:25:251:25:29

Yourself isolated if you do have a

fluke. You did not need to go to

1:25:291:25:35

work. Making sure you have remedies

at home. Paracetamol, ibuprofen and

1:25:351:25:42

plenty of fluids.

If you have a flu,

you will not be able to get out of

1:25:421:25:49

bed, so should you go and see your

GP or just stay at home?

Well, GPs

1:25:491:25:55

do not have any treatment for flu.

If you came to see me in my clinic,

1:25:551:26:00

as some people did yesterday, I was

saying to them that they need to be

1:26:001:26:03

at home and drinking. You need to

speak to a doctor, even if you are

1:26:031:26:07

not in the vulnerable group. If you

have any respiratory problems, if

1:26:071:26:12

you're finding any difficulty

breathing, if somebody is worried

1:26:121:26:15

about you, if you are not passing

water.

Thank you for coming in and

1:26:151:26:20

talking to us about that. Also

coming up:

1:26:201:26:24

We will get a new study that

suggests that young people treated

1:26:241:26:28

for first cancer have the same

survival rates regardless of whether

1:26:281:26:31

they have gene mutation.

1:26:311:26:37

Now, Facebook has announced what it

says is a major change to its news

1:26:391:26:42

feed. The social media website will

focus on interactions between family

1:26:421:26:46

and friends, rather than media and

business content. Also, in a

1:26:461:26:52

separate development, the company

has agreed to be compensation to a

1:26:521:26:55

Northern Irish teenager after naked

photographs of her were allegedly

1:26:551:26:58

posted on the site. For more on both

of these stories, we are joined by a

1:26:581:27:02

reporter. I am confused by this.

What is not going to be in our feed

1:27:021:27:06

and what will be in our feet? It

seems a bit Willie.

1:27:061:27:11

It does. Mark Soderberg says this is

the first of a series of changes

1:27:111:27:18

that are going to come to this book

and are -- the CEO. I do not know a

1:27:181:27:24

few joined Facebook way back when it

was just about sharing pictures and

1:27:241:27:27

post with your friends and family.

By all accounts, it sounds like a

1:27:271:27:31

default going back to that. They are

scaling back on a much news and

1:27:311:27:35

other bits that you getting your

feet and are going to, as he says,

1:27:351:27:38

prioritise what you share with your

friends and family, because he feels

1:27:381:27:45

that actually personal social media

sharing is more enhancing than

1:27:451:27:48

getting random bits of news that

other people have prioritised.

1:27:481:27:51

They will not make money then, will

they?

1:27:511:27:54

This is the thing, Facebook made

money from advertising and that is

1:27:541:27:58

not changing as far as we know.

Advertising still be there -- is

1:27:581:28:04

still going to be a thing and there,

limited,

1:28:041:28:07

still going to be a thing and there,

limited,, located -- their

1:28:071:28:13

complicated algorithm will shoot at

first that may interest you your

1:28:131:28:16

way. However, they are doing this,

mainly that people do not use the

1:28:161:28:22

site of much in the early stages, he

admitted that might be a problem,

1:28:221:28:26

which might take a tiny head out of

their $36 billion...

1:28:261:28:30

They will probably hope!

A really serious story about

1:28:301:28:39

compensation being paid to a

14-year-old girl about nude pictures

1:28:391:28:41

appearing on Facebook.

Yes, between 2014 and 2016, she had

1:28:411:28:48

naked pictures of herself posted on

a so-called shame page on Facebook.

1:28:481:28:51

She went to the police and by the

time they got involved, ordered the

1:28:511:28:56

investigation, the device which had

the pictures had gone, so you cannot

1:28:561:28:59

really prove who put the pictures up

on the first place. She then took a

1:28:591:29:03

case to the High Court and actually

won an out-of-court settlement

1:29:031:29:09

against Facebook, so we do not know

exactly how much she got. For these

1:29:091:29:13

pictures being up on this page. Our

lawyers actually said that there

1:29:131:29:16

could change the way that social

media platforms like Facebook,

1:29:161:29:23

Twitter, Instagram are responsible

for indecent images and indecent

1:29:231:29:27

posts. This is not possibly going to

be the only case to come forward now

1:29:271:29:33

that she has effectively won this

out-of-court statement.

1:29:331:29:40

Also coming up:

The latest on Barry Purnell's trial.

1:29:401:29:45

We'll look at a new study that

suggests young women treated

1:29:451:29:48

for breast cancer have the same

survival rates regardless of whether

1:29:521:29:55

they have the BRCA gene mutation.

1:29:551:29:57

Time for the latest

news - here's Annita.

1:29:571:30:00

The headlines:

1:30:001:30:01

A huge fire has ripped

through Nottingham railway station.

1:30:011:30:03

Nottinghamshire Fire and rescue

described it as a 'large incident'

1:30:031:30:05

with multiple fire engines

at the scene.

1:30:051:30:11

Firefighters spent much of the

morning tackling the blaze and the

1:30:111:30:14

station was evacuated.

1:30:141:30:15

Trains are cancelled and the station

will remain shut all day.

1:30:151:30:19

Donald Trump has cancelled his

planned visit to the UK next month.

1:30:191:30:21

The US President tweeted that he had

cancelled the planned visit

1:30:211:30:24

as he didn't want to open

the new American embassy in London -

1:30:241:30:27

which he incorrectly stated had been

commissioned by his predecessor,

1:30:271:30:30

Barack Obama.

1:30:301:30:38

A study of women with breast cancer

suggests that having a double

1:30:391:30:42

mastectomy does not increase

the chances of survival in younger

1:30:421:30:50

patients who have what's

known as the BRCA gene.

1:30:501:30:52

The researchers also found that

women treated for first cancer had

1:30:521:30:54

the same survival rates -

regardless of whether or not

1:30:541:30:57

they had the mutation.

1:30:571:30:58

An 18-year-old from the Scottish

highlands has died after

1:30:581:31:00

contracting the flu virus.

1:31:001:31:01

Bethany Walker was airlifted

to hospital in Inverness

1:31:011:31:04

from her home in Wester Ross,

but her illness had developed

1:31:041:31:07

into pneumonia and staff

were unable to save her.

1:31:071:31:09

Elsewhere, in England,

there has been a sharp rise

1:31:091:31:11

in the number of flu cases seen

by GPs - up 78 per

1:31:111:31:14

cent from last week.

1:31:141:31:15

The BBC is said "deeply unimpressed"

with an off-air chat in which two

1:31:151:31:18

of its presenters joked

about the pay gap between the sexes.

1:31:181:31:21

That's according to a source

at the corporation.

1:31:211:31:23

BBC Radio 4 Today presenter

John Humphrys and North America

1:31:231:31:25

editor Jon Sopel were discussing

Carrie Gracie, who had just quit her

1:31:251:31:28

China Editor job over equal pay.

1:31:281:31:30

In an exchange before Monday's show,

it's reported they they joked

1:31:301:31:32

about "handing over" pay

to keep her in post.

1:31:321:31:34

A BBC spokeswoman said

the presenter regrets

1:31:341:31:36

the "ill-advised" conversation.

1:31:361:31:44

That's a summary of

the latest BBC news.

1:31:461:31:48

Here's some sport now with Hugh.

1:31:481:31:51

Billie Jean King has once again

called for the Margaret Court arena

1:31:511:31:55

in Melbourne to be renamed, that is

after the 24 time grand slam winner

1:31:551:32:00

made to Robert Trigg comments

regarding lesbian and transgender

1:32:001:32:05

people. Billie Jean King said she

would not play on the Court if she

1:32:051:32:09

was on tour. Heather Watson missed

out on the first WTA final in her

1:32:091:32:15

career in two years after she was

beaten in the semifinal of the

1:32:151:32:19

Hobart International, three sets the

defeat. Theo Walcott looks set to be

1:32:191:32:25

on his way out of Arsenal, Everton

boss Sam Allardyce confirming the

1:32:251:32:30

teams have entered negotiations over

the 20 jewelled England

1:32:301:32:34

international. That's all the sport

for now, we will be back with more

1:32:341:32:39

after 11.

1:32:391:32:44

The trial of former football coach

Barry Bennell continued yesterday.

1:32:441:32:46

A court in Liverpool heard

from an alleged victim who said

1:32:461:32:49

he was abused in a car on the way

to training and matches.

1:32:491:32:52

Let's get more from our

reporter Jim Reed.

1:32:521:32:57

Bring us up to date.

This is the

trial of Barry Bennell also going by

1:32:571:33:02

the name Richard Jones at this trial

at Liverpool Crown Court. Yesterday

1:33:021:33:06

the jury heard from Chris Unsworth,

he gave evidence to say in the late

1:33:061:33:13

1970s he was a youth footballer in

the Manchester area when he first

1:33:131:33:15

came across Barry Bennell three he

was told was a scout for Manchester

1:33:151:33:22

city at the time, Mr Unsworth

alleges he was abused by the ages of

1:33:221:33:25

nine and ten and 14 and 15. He told

the court he prick his parents were

1:33:251:33:35

very busy and the trusted Mr

1:33:351:33:42

he went on to say abuse occurred at

the home of Barry Bennell near the

1:33:431:33:49

Peak District and also in North

Wales where Mr Bennell would take

1:33:491:33:53

groups of boys. Mr Unsworth was

asked why he did not tell anyone at

1:33:531:33:58

the time and he said they would not

believe it and that he would be

1:33:581:34:02

jeopardising where he wants to go as

a professional footballer. He did

1:34:021:34:06

contact police back in November in

2016 after he saw another

1:34:061:34:11

footballer, Andy Woodward, speaking

out on this programme and he said

1:34:111:34:15

after seeing that interview Mr

Unsworth went forward and told

1:34:151:34:18

police what he alleged occurred.

And

Mr Unsworth was cross-examined by

1:34:181:34:24

the defence?

That's right. Mr

Unsworth was asked about discussing

1:34:241:34:32

possible financial compensation with

either a solicitor or other alleged

1:34:321:34:36

victims and he denied that, saying

it's not about compensation, it's

1:34:361:34:40

about justice. Mr Unsworth said he

had only spoken about the details of

1:34:401:34:45

this case, or this abuse three

times, on the Victoria Derbyshire

1:34:451:34:48

programme, to the police and to the

court yesterday. The court was ready

1:34:481:34:55

transcript of the police interview

Barry Bennell even bigger the 2017

1:34:551:35:00

in which he denies abusing Mr

Unsworth but admitted the boy stayed

1:35:001:35:03

at his house and slept in his bed.

Mr Bennell said Chris Unsworth was

1:35:031:35:09

too young for him to be attracted to

when they first met. He told

1:35:091:35:13

officers he was abusing another boy

at the time. He said I had a victim,

1:35:131:35:18

I did not need two, three or four.

Barry Bennell denies the charges,

1:35:181:35:26

before the trial he had admitted

seven further charges, the trial

1:35:261:35:29

continues and is expected to last

another seven weeks.

Thank you for

1:35:291:35:34

bringing us up to date, we will

follow that on the programme.

1:35:341:35:38

The conduct of the media is expected

to be examined by the independent

1:35:381:35:41

review into the response

to the Manchester Arena bombing.

1:35:411:35:44

22 people were killed when a bomb

was set off after a pop concert

1:35:441:35:47

at the venue in May.

1:35:471:35:48

Several of the bereaved families

have raised concerns

1:35:481:35:50

about the reporting of the attack.

1:35:501:35:52

Judith Moritz is in

Manchester with the latest.

1:35:521:35:58

What have we heard today?

What we

have today is a progress report

1:35:581:36:06

which has come from the team which

is reviewing the response to the

1:36:061:36:11

Manchester Arena attack last May. It

is a review being chaired by the

1:36:111:36:16

former head of the civil service Bob

Kerslake and the full report is due

1:36:161:36:21

to be published by the end of March.

Today the team behind it have

1:36:211:36:27

explained a little bit more about

work which they are now doing which

1:36:271:36:31

wasn't originally part of the terms

of reference when the review was set

1:36:311:36:35

up. In particular as you say they

are going to be examining the role

1:36:351:36:38

of the media in responding to the

attack. How the story was covered

1:36:381:36:43

both by the mainstream media and

also by those using social media,

1:36:431:36:49

how that fed into the experience of

those who were both directly

1:36:491:36:55

affected and in particular how it

affected the families, the bereaved

1:36:551:36:59

and surviving people who were right

in the eye of the storm and having

1:36:591:37:02

to cope with terrible loss and pain

alongside the publicity that went

1:37:021:37:07

with it. Bob Kerslake said this

morning it is something he will

1:37:071:37:13

examine and it's partly because he's

been hearing evidence from families

1:37:131:37:18

which, they have been telling him

they had a mixed experience. Plenty

1:37:181:37:24

of positive experiences they had

from the media but some families

1:37:241:37:27

have also seen the flip side of that

and we heard for example the family

1:37:271:37:33

of Martin, one of those killed in

the attack, they had been doorstep

1:37:331:37:39

by some reporters before Martin had

been identified as officially having

1:37:391:37:45

died. It's an experience which has

been exposed through this review and

1:37:451:37:49

the Kerslake team will look further

to see if they can learn anything.

1:37:491:37:58

The other thing to tell you about is

what the team are advising is that

1:37:581:38:02

all of the organisation, or the

public organisations have responded

1:38:021:38:09

one way or another should shine up

to a charter which was developed

1:38:091:38:14

recently by the former Bishop of

Liverpool James Jones who himself

1:38:141:38:18

was looking at the experiences of

the Hillsborough families, families

1:38:181:38:22

bereaved in a very different set of

circumstances almost 30 years ago.

1:38:221:38:27

There is a charter he has created

which urges organisations to put the

1:38:271:38:35

enquiry team are suggesting that the

way to go and that organisations

1:38:351:38:38

sign up to that charter.

Thank you

for bringing us date with that.

1:38:381:38:48

Still to come: She's just been

announced the winner of BBC

1:38:481:38:51

Music's Sound of 2018 -

we'll be speaking to Norwegian

1:38:511:38:53

singer Sigrid shortly.

1:38:531:38:59

A study of women with breast cancer

suggests that having a double

1:38:591:39:01

mastectomy does not increase

the chances of survival in younger

1:39:011:39:04

patients who have what's

known as the BRCA gene.

1:39:041:39:09

The researchers also found that

women treated for breast cancer

1:39:091:39:11

had the same survival rates

1:39:111:39:13

regardless of whether or not

they had the mutation.

1:39:131:39:21

But it did find that there are the

same survival

1:39:241:39:31

Let's talk to the study's author,

Professor Diana Eccles,

1:39:331:39:36

of the University of Southampton,

1:39:361:39:37

Laura Pearson who had

a double mastectomy,

1:39:371:39:38

and Dany Bell is a specialist

advisor for Treatment and Recovery

1:39:381:39:41

at Macmillan Cancer Support.

1:39:411:39:43

thank you all for joining us.

Professor first of all the pros and

1:39:431:39:49

cons as is often the case in the

studies, give us the details?

The

1:39:491:39:56

first thing to absolutely stress is

that all of the patients in this

1:39:561:39:59

study came along with a diagnosis of

breast cancer. These were not people

1:39:591:40:04

who did not have cancer but knew

they were at high risk and were

1:40:041:40:09

electing bilateral mastectomy. These

are very different circumstances.

1:40:091:40:14

Our study was looking at young women

between 18-40 who had developed

1:40:141:40:19

breast cancer, usually finding a

lump so they were not being

1:40:191:40:22

screened. Most of them did not know

they were BRCA gene carriers so we

1:40:221:40:28

followed them for a long period of

time, looking at ladies diagnosed

1:40:281:40:33

between 2000 and 2008 and following

their medical records ever since. We

1:40:331:40:37

have finally been able to work out

who does and who does not carry the

1:40:371:40:42

BRCA gene mutation. The findings of

the study are that 12% of those

1:40:421:40:47

younger women with breast cancer had

a BRCA gene mutation and the outcome

1:40:471:40:51

from the conventional breast-cancer

treatment for those people was no

1:40:511:40:55

different to those who did not have

the BRCA gene mutation when she took

1:40:551:41:00

all the best character

characteristics into account. The

1:41:001:41:06

treatment was based on their BRCA,

based on their breast-cancer status

1:41:061:41:11

rather than the BRCA status.

I want

to bring in Laura, who is that on

1:41:111:41:16

your knee?

This is

INAUDIBLE

. This is Joseph. And who else is

1:41:161:41:25

there with you?

This is elderly.

And

is that someone else in the

1:41:251:41:32

background? Your mum! It is lovely

to see you, I know you had a double

1:41:321:41:39

mastectomy, is that because you had

the BRCA gene?

I had breast cancer

1:41:391:41:45

in April, I was diagnosed in April

20 16. After I had finished my

1:41:451:41:50

treatment I had a double mastectomy

because I had the BRCA two gene.

So

1:41:501:41:57

when you hear this report one hand

it is great news that survival rates

1:41:571:42:01

are the same for women with this

gene but so many people will

1:42:011:42:05

remember Angelina Jolie saying she

was going to have this double

1:42:051:42:09

mastectomy to save her life. How are

you feeling today hearing this

1:42:091:42:12

report?

I mean... It's difficult to

hear that what I have had done might

1:42:121:42:19

not have been necessary because I

have been left with the

1:42:191:42:23

reconstruction I'm not happy with

and I had my ovaries removed because

1:42:231:42:26

of the high risk of ovarian cancer,

I am 37 and going through menopause.

1:42:261:42:32

I have got two young children. It's

a bit galling to hear it might not

1:42:321:42:38

help me at all. But at the same

time, with the information I was

1:42:381:42:42

given at the time I did everything I

could to increase my chances of

1:42:421:42:46

being around for my children.

That

is the thing, I guess information is

1:42:461:42:51

increasing all the time. It's

difficult isn't it for women to make

1:42:511:42:57

that decision when you are

presumably overwhelmed with

1:42:571:43:01

information and try to come to terms

with what you're being told.

1:43:011:43:06

Absolutely and that was a good point

made about the information at the

1:43:061:43:10

time. We have new insight all the

time from research which helps aid

1:43:101:43:15

decision-making around treatments

and it's not saying that a double

1:43:151:43:18

mastectomy is not an option and it's

also people want to live 20, 30, 40

1:43:181:43:23

years. The key thing is in terms of

longer term survival they are not

1:43:231:43:29

saying a double mastectomy is not

something people should consider,

1:43:291:43:34

what it is saying is that people

have more time to think about the

1:43:341:43:37

options and there is more insight

and therefore there is more

1:43:371:43:41

information which can be discussed

at a time when they are making a

1:43:411:43:45

very difficult decision about their

future and treatment options.

1:43:451:43:49

Professor, pick up on that, this was

just looking at those ten years so

1:43:491:43:54

is there a chance that having a

double mastectomy after the ten

1:43:541:43:58

years would benefit health or you

don't know?

There is a very good

1:43:581:44:04

chance that is the case and there is

a very good rationale for having

1:44:041:44:08

your ovaries removed and fallopian

tubes because that is a risk we

1:44:081:44:12

cannot screen for. So this study is

not saying that that is the

1:44:121:44:19

incorrect decision, it is just

saying that women have more time to

1:44:191:44:22

think about it, it doesn't have to

be wrapped up with the primary

1:44:221:44:27

cancer treatments. For BRCA two

carrier is the risk is later and we

1:44:271:44:32

did not see any ovarian cancers in

the patients we were following up

1:44:321:44:35

who were all diagnosed under 40 who

had BRCA two gene variants but he

1:44:351:44:40

did in BRCA one.

1:44:401:44:52

Did you feel overwhelmed and rushed

into making any of your decisions?

1:44:531:44:59

Mol-mac, not at all. I actually was

told, for the ovaries, to wait in

1:44:591:45:04

case I wanted to have more children.

They said I could wait until I was

1:45:041:45:08

in my 40s, but I knew that I only

wanted two children so it was me

1:45:081:45:12

that was for that to happen as soon

as possible. And the double

1:45:121:45:16

mastectomy, I think my oncologist

was keen from it to happen but I did

1:45:161:45:19

not feel rushed.

Thank you all for

speaking to us and, Laura, well done

1:45:191:45:25

for such a beautifully behaved

children, and to Mum in the

1:45:251:45:29

background!

Now, the Queen is sharing memories

1:45:291:45:36

of her coronation and describes what

it is like to work her imperial

1:45:361:45:39

state crime. Here, she tells royal

commentator whilst you cannot look

1:45:391:45:45

down whilst you're wearing it.

-- why you cannot look down. The

1:45:451:45:50

most important items used in the

Coronation Andy Morgan's two crones.

1:45:501:45:54

If the Queen has only worn at Saint

Edward's called crown once, she is

1:45:541:46:02

much more familiar with this, the

diamond encrusted imperial state

1:46:021:46:07

crime. She worked at the end of her

coronation and for a state openings

1:46:071:46:11

of Parliament since. -- she wore it.

It is much smaller, is it not? It

1:46:111:46:18

was the same height. You know, it

would have been up to about there.

1:46:181:46:23

When my father wore it.

It was huge

then?

Yes, very unwieldy.

It is

1:46:231:46:37

difficult to always remember that

diamonds are stones, so very heavy!

1:46:371:46:44

Yes, fortunately my father and I

have about the same sort of shaped

1:46:441:46:48

head. But once you put it on, it

stays. I mean, it just remains

1:46:481:46:53

itself.

You have to keep your head

very still.

Yes, and you cannot look

1:46:531:46:58

down to read the speech, you have to

take the speech up, because if you

1:46:581:47:03

did, your neck would break or it

would fall off. So, there are some

1:47:031:47:09

disadvantages to grounds, but

otherwise, they are quite important

1:47:091:47:12

things.

And the Coronation will be

on BBC One at 8pm on Sunday evening.

1:47:121:47:20

Lots of you have been getting in

touch with us about the interview we

1:47:201:47:23

did was clear poorly. She was the

mother, a working mother, and then a

1:47:231:47:29

stay at home mother, and she found

her drinking was getting out of

1:47:291:47:32

hand. She was drinking up to ten

bottles of wine a week, hiding from

1:47:321:47:36

her husband. She tried to give up

drinking but in the end, she wanted

1:47:361:47:40

to drink moderately but said that

she needed to stop. You have been

1:47:401:47:44

getting in touch with your

experiences. Barbara e-mails. The

1:47:441:47:48

lady on your shoulders well to quit

but I used to drink a bottle of wine

1:47:481:47:51

before I could even get out of bed.

I used to work in pubs and hotels

1:47:511:47:55

and it was just too easy to drink.

This was over at least 30 years and

1:47:551:48:00

I ended up in hospital twice. I

nearly lost my family, but starting

1:48:001:48:04

a blog was furthest from my mind. I

was in a really bad state but I went

1:48:041:48:08

cold turkey and it nearly killed me.

I finally got better and I've not

1:48:081:48:12

touched any alcohol for about 17

years. Then we have also had a Diane

1:48:121:48:17

on Twitter thing but many of us do

not think we have a problem because

1:48:171:48:21

that is one that we choose to drink

rather than vodka or gin. Wine is

1:48:211:48:26

somehow perceived differently from

spirits.

1:48:261:48:28

Do keep coming. -- do keep those

bolts coming.

1:48:281:48:35

The winner of BBC Sound of 2018

has just been announced

1:48:351:48:38

and in a moment we'll be speaking

exclusively to them.

1:48:381:48:40

The awards honour the artists

who are making waves on the music

1:48:401:48:43

scene and tipped as the ones

to watch this year

1:48:431:48:45

and, what's more,

they're voted for by their peers.

1:48:451:48:47

We'll reveal the winner in just

a moment, but for now let's take

1:48:471:48:51

a look at some of

the previous winners.

1:48:511:48:52

It's a pretty

impressive pedigree.

1:48:521:48:57

# But I just keep on chasing

pavements

1:48:571:49:03

# Should I just keep on chasing

pavements?

1:49:031:49:12

pavements? #

# And everybody knows. #

1:49:121:49:19

# Do it like a brother, do it like a

dude. #

1:49:211:49:28

# Do it for the love. #

# These streets, these streets. #

1:49:281:49:43

Well, joining me now in the studio

is this year's winner, Sigrid.

1:49:431:49:46

We're also speaking to BBC

Music Reporter Mark Savage.

1:49:461:49:54

Congratulations!

Thank you.

It must

be pretty exciting when you look at

1:49:541:50:00

our Dell, Sam Smith, the list goes

on and on, people who have one

1:50:001:50:05

before, to be in that kind of

company?

It is absolutely amazing.

1:50:051:50:13

Adele is one of my biggest

inspirations, rolling in the deep is

1:50:131:50:17

one of my biggest inspirations in

pop music. I cannot see anything

1:50:171:50:21

else.

You are quite young.

21.

If

people have not heard your music,

1:50:211:50:30

let's listen to Strangers.

1:50:301:50:34

# Just like in the movies

# It starts to rain and we...

1:50:341:50:42

# We are the broken beauties

# Blindfolding

1:50:421:50:53

# When the curtain drops

# Are touch is just a touch

1:50:531:51:01

# Not late in the movies

# Are a story is after the end

1:51:011:51:07

# Like strangers

# Perfect pretenders

1:51:071:51:14

# We are falling head over heels for

something that isn't real

1:51:141:51:19

# It could never be as

# Just you and I

1:51:191:51:23

# Strangers

# Perfect pretenders

1:51:231:51:30

# And we are falling head over heels

for something that isn't real

1:51:301:51:34

# It can never be as... # 's you

were saying it was great fun to

1:51:341:51:42

shoot that.

1:51:421:51:46

Mark was seeing was a challenging to

do that single shot?

There was a

1:51:461:51:51

couple of shots.

I was listening to

do, don't kill my vibe, and the

1:51:511:51:57

clarity and crispness in your voice,

it is very beautiful and unique.

1:51:571:52:02

Thank you, I appreciate it.

To

people say that what? You have a

1:52:021:52:07

very unique sound.

Yes, quite a bit,

but I had a lovely vocal coach to my

1:52:071:52:13

junior high and high school years,

and she just knew that we needed to

1:52:131:52:17

keep that arrived in me. She did not

want to make me sound anything else.

1:52:171:52:22

It has been a very organic process.

We will talk to Mark in a minute but

1:52:221:52:26

I want to talk about Don't Kill My

Vibe because there is an empowering

1:52:261:52:31

story behind those lyrics?

Yes, so I

was any writing session with two

1:52:311:52:36

older men and I felt that I was

being patronised. It was just a

1:52:361:52:39

general feeling of not being

welcome. I thought this is not how

1:52:391:52:44

it should be and I was quite mad at

myself for not speaking up, because

1:52:441:52:48

I thought I was the type of person

to do that. And I did not, but later

1:52:481:52:53

on, a couple of months later, I was

only session with Martin Shirley, a

1:52:531:52:59

lovely writer from Norway, and we

wrote about this previous session.

1:52:591:53:03

It is angry but assertive, that

song. Would you agree with that?

1:53:031:53:09

Yes, I think the interesting thing

about lyrics in particular is that

1:53:091:53:12

they are not the standard pop fire.

There is another song about The

1:53:121:53:17

Friends about people in school, or

your life about people who are

1:53:171:53:20

2-faced. There is Dynamite, where

work is taking you away from the

1:53:201:53:25

person you want to be with. It is an

interesting, conversational, unusual

1:53:251:53:32

way and that is one of the reasons

why she has won this award.

And

1:53:321:53:35

you're been incredibly modest,

because I wanted to put into

1:53:351:53:37

context, Mark, the significance of

winning this award.

It is huge

1:53:371:53:42

because one of the most difficult

things for a new artist is to break

1:53:421:53:45

through and get hurt. You saw it

last year, how energy and took over

1:53:451:53:49

all of streaming. He was in the

charts every week, he had 16 songs

1:53:491:53:54

in the top 20. For somebody who is

not known to cut through that kind

1:53:541:53:57

of noise is really difficult and

this list has a great track record.

1:53:571:54:01

Adele, Lady Gaga, it shearing, and

to get a platform, to get a bit of

1:54:011:54:08

promotion, for people to know who

you are right at the start of your

1:54:081:54:12

career is massively important.

Is it

important that this was chosen by

1:54:121:54:17

peers?

Yes, well, it is a huge

honour. It is quite hard to believe

1:54:171:54:21

that it has actually happened, since

I am from Norway. I come from a

1:54:211:54:27

small town in Norway, 50,000

inhabitants, I never thought my

1:54:271:54:30

music would take me to the studio,

sitting here and announcing the

1:54:301:54:34

winner of this year. I can just say

a huge thank you to 19, they have

1:54:341:54:40

fought so hard for this.

So, talk to

us about what you have been doing

1:54:401:54:44

over the last year and what your

plans are for the next year. I am

1:54:441:54:49

guessing things are going to change!

It is quite a packed schedule.

Tell

1:54:491:54:52

us about last year.

We have been

doing lots of festivals.

1:54:521:55:01

Glastonbury, Denmark was cool. We

are doing Coachella in April, in US.

1:55:011:55:07

Last year, I was also part of the

Apple music campaign. We did James

1:55:071:55:12

Corden.

A lot of stuff happened. The

television show? Yes. So, exposure

1:55:121:55:21

more and more?

Yes, for next year is

all about going on tour. I am going

1:55:211:55:25

to Australia for the first time in

my life. Working on new music. It is

1:55:251:55:30

going to be a fine year.

Do you

think things are going to change? I

1:55:301:55:35

am so impressed by how down-to-earth

viewer. Most people, I have met

1:55:351:55:40

people in the music industry before,

not everybody is quite so down to

1:55:401:55:43

earth.

Yes, and I have met Sigrid a

couple of times over the past couple

1:55:431:55:48

of year, we followed you around when

you played in Brighton, and then at

1:55:481:55:52

Glastonbury, you have not changed a

bit!

Why?

You see people who are

1:55:521:56:00

very humble at the beginning who

started not to be.

It is a special

1:56:001:56:04

industry and I can understand, with

the amount of pressure and exposure,

1:56:041:56:08

that it can be difficult, but I do

not know, I am myself and hang-out

1:56:081:56:13

with my family and best friends and

my band are my best friends. I am so

1:56:131:56:17

lucky to have them on here with me.

It is great. What is Sigrid's you're

1:56:171:56:23

going to be like? You know from

watching this.

Honestly, I think she

1:56:231:56:28

is going to be huge. There is a

quirkiness and humour to her music

1:56:281:56:34

that is quite unusual for pop. It

sounds different to the other stuff

1:56:341:56:37

that is out there at the minute.

Every song is just packed with hook

1:56:371:56:42

after the hook. I think you are

going to go a long way.

And you

1:56:421:56:46

talked a little bit about how hard

it is for artists, unknown artists,

1:56:461:56:51

or not so well-known artists, to

break through. Clearly, this is an

1:56:511:56:55

opportunity for you, but how many

other opportunities either?

It is

1:56:551:56:59

important for the BBC is doing.

Absolutely. Artists at the beginning

1:56:591:57:04

of their career, there is something

called BBC And tradition, where

1:57:041:57:08

artists can upload songs to get

played on the radio, and there are

1:57:081:57:12

16 people on the long list and

almost all of them had come up

1:57:121:57:17

through BBC And tradition. There are

other places, in Amy 's Belbek said

1:57:171:57:22

new artists from time to time. Q

magazine. All of the big

1:57:221:57:26

publications, billboard in the US.

But it is hard to get hurt and the

1:57:261:57:30

more that radio stations

consolidate, the more they make

1:57:301:57:35

their playlists more focused on...

Did I hear you want to work with

1:57:351:57:51

Stormzy?

I listened a lot to his

music, but as is a part in the

1:57:511:57:57

chorus that is faster than my usual

writing that I did at that point, so

1:57:571:58:00

I think that really inspired me.

We

will see what we can do! I am not

1:58:001:58:06

sure that we have any links to

Stormzy but thank you so much for

1:58:061:58:09

coming in to speak to us.

1:58:091:58:10

BBC Newsroom live is coming up next.

1:58:101:58:12

Thank you for your company today.

1:58:121:58:13

Have a good day.

1:58:131:58:16

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