12/01/2018 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello it's 9 o'clock.

Welcome to the programme.

There's a major fire

at Nottingham station.

Trains are suspended and passengers

moved to safety as fire crews

try to bring it under control.

We'll have the latest.

Donald Trump cancels

a visit to the UK to open

a new US embassy in London.

In a tweet he calls the project

a bad deal and says they "wanted me

to cut the ribbon - NO!".

But did the fear of demonstrations

put him off?

I think it's well know

that there may have been

demonstrations,

There has not been a huge amount of

love towards them from the British

people and perhaps the president did

not want to walk into that?

There's still no date for a state

visit, but Theresa May has

confirmed it's on the cards.

We'll have the details.

Also today - as more children

than ever are referred to social

services there are fears that

serious cases could be

missed as staff struggle

with their workload.

Hello.

Welcome to the programme,

we're live until 11 this morning.

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to Clare Pooley -

a mother of three -

who's casual drinking turned

into a serious habit.

She's here to talk about giving up

alcohol and the support she's

had from other women

in the same situation.

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A huge fire is blazing

at Nottingham railway station.

Nottinghamshire Fire and rescue say

they're dealing with a 'large

incident' with five fire engines

at the scene.

The station has been evacuated.

East Midland Trains say all trains

through the station are cancelled

and they expect disruptions.

On the line it's our reporter Healy

Compton, bring us up to date with

the latest you have about this fire?

Every street around Nottingham train

station is closed at the moment,

find me there are 11 fire trucks

that you can see and bearing in mind

this is just one side of the train

station which has been closed off.

There are ambulance crews at the

site currently but I am told they

are here as a precaution. It is

after unconfirmed reports of a fire

in a toilet on one of the platforms.

As you can see fire crews are in

attendance. I have been told that

it's not a major incident and they

have managed to get the blaze under

control. There were reports of

plumes of smoke, plumes of black

smoke at 6:30am but I have been

speaking to some people in the

buildings around the train station

who have told me this morning the

first they knew about the fire was

when they opened the front door this

morning and were greeted by a sea of

blue lights.

Thank you for bringing

us up-to-date with that. Our

reporter down at Nottingham train

station, it goes without saying we

will keep you across that story with

updates throughout the programme.

Donald Trump has cancelled his

planned visit to the UK next month.

The US President tweeted that he had

cancelled the planned visit

as he didn't want to open

the new American embassy in London -

which he incorrectly stated had been

commissioned by his predecessor,

Barack Obama.

Dan Johnson reports.

After nearly 60 years flying

above London's Grosvenor Square,

the Stars and Stripes were lowered,

ready for the opening

of the new US embassy.

It's billion-dollar building

on the Southbank and Donald Trump

was due to open it next month.

Now we know he won't and early this

morning, he posted his reasons

on Twitter:

But did the prospect

of protests like this

also put him off?

This was the response

to his ban on travellers

from certain Muslim countries.

A petition drew 1.8 million

signatures with calls to ban him.

It shouldn't be a state visit

because it would be embarrassing

to the Queen and the rest of the UK.

Theresa May was the first

world leader to reach out

to the new President and a return

trip, a state visit,

was promised soon.

But then the President strained

the special relationship by sharing

online far-right videos

from the group called Britain First.

When Theresa May condemned,

he then retorted.

Just last weekend, she confirmed

the invite still stands.

He is taking decisions in the best

interests of the United States.

And he is coming to this country?

He will be coming to the country.

The Foreign Secretary denied

the Queen would be embarrassed.

I think Her Majesty the Queen

is capable of taking this

American President or any American

president in her stride,

as she has done over

six remarkable decades.

Let's be clear.

Opening this place was never

the same as a state visit.

It would have been a shorter,

less formal trip.

Meeting the Queen is still on,

expected this year,

but no date has been set.

The President is denying this

decision is down to politics

but after he offended more countries

with a foul-mouthed remark

last night, the list

of places he is welcome

certainly isn't growing.

Jon Donnison joins me now

from outside the new US

embassy in Central London.

What are we to make of this trip

been cancelled?

Some of the workers

arriving here this morning in this

"Off location" are pretty bemused by

all the attention, asking what it's

all about, and some fruity language

from some of them when I told them

Donald Trump had cancelled the

visit. This is the building in

question, this is what $1 billion

gets you. When you look at the tweet

from Donald Trump he was blaming

President Obama for agreeing to move

the old embassy from its location in

gross square to here in Vauxhall.

It's interesting because that

decision was actually made back in

2008, not by President Obama but by

his predecessor President George W

Bush. As was pointed out in the

report, this was not a state visit

planned, it was something a bit on a

smaller scale but it does make I

would imagine the possibility of a

state visit later in the year

probably even more likely to be

shelved I would have thought.

Thank

you.

Now to the BBC Newsroom

for a summary of the rest

of the days news.

A study of women with breast cancer

suggests that having a double

mastectomy does not increase

the chances of survival in younger

patients who have what's known

as the BRAC1 gene.

The researchers also found that

women treated for breast cancer had

the same survival rates -

regardless of whether or not

they had the mutation.

The BBC is said "deeply unimpressed"

with an off-air chat in which two

of its presenters joked

about the pay gap between the sexes.

That's according to a source

at the corporation.

BBC Radio 4 Today presenter

John Humphrys and North America

editor Jon Sopel were discussing

Carrie Gracie, who had just quit her

China Editor job over equal pay.

In an exchange before Monday's

show, it's reported they

they joked about "handing over" pay

to keep her in post.

A BBC spokeswoman said

the presenter regrets

the "ill-advised" conversation.

There's been a breakthrough in talks

in Germany on forming

a new coalition government.

After working through the night,

Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian

Democrats and their former coalition

partners, the Social Democrats,

have now agreed a basis

upon which a coalition treaty

can be negotiated.

Mrs Merkel has been unable to form

a government since inconclusive

elections in September.

Nigel Farage has clarified remarks

he made yesterday calling

for a second EU referendum.

The former Ukip leader has said

although another vote

was the "last thing" he wanted,

he thought it might be forced

on the country by parliament.

His initial remarks

were seized upon by Remainers,

with Labour's Chuka Umunna saying

Mr Farage had made "a valid point

for the first time in his life".

The conduct of the media is expected

to be examined by the independent

review into the response

to the Manchester Arena bombing.

22 people were killed when a bomb

was set off after a pop concert

at the venue in May.

Several of the bereaved families

have raised concerns

about the reporting of the attack.

The review will also look at the

role played by social media.

role played by social media. An

18-year-old from the Scottish

Highlands has died after contracting

the flu virus. Bethany Walker was

airlifted to hospital in Inverness

from her home but the illness had

become pneumonia and doctors were

unable to save her.

unable to save her. Police have

released the names of 17 people

including four children confirmed to

have died in a mudslide which struck

a small town in southern California.

All of the dead were residents of

Montecito, the ridge from age three

to age 30 nine. One official

estimate puts the missing figure as

high as 43.

The Queen has been talking

about some of the challenges

she faced at her

coronation 65 years ago.

As part of a BBC programme,

she spoke candidly about

the heaviness of the crown she wore,

and noted it was lucky she and her

father, King George VI,

had the 'same sort of shaped head'.

'The Coronation' will air

on BBC One at 8pm this Sunday.

Facebook has announced what it says

is a major change to it's news feed.

The social website will

refocus on interactions

between family and friends

rather than media

and business content.

It means that people will see fewer

posts from companies

and public organisations.

A butcher who got trapped

in his own freezer has described

how he freed himself

using a frozen black pudding.

Chris McCabe thought

he was for the chop

after the freezer door in his shop

in Totnes, Devon,

blew shut behind him.

Stranded in temperatures

of minus 20 degrees,

he said he used the sausage

as a battering ram

on the door's release mechanism.

Do excuse that joke, strong stuff

that black pudding.

I think that is the best use of

black pudding but I might get in

trouble for saying that!

Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning.

We will be talking to a mum who gave

up drinking after she discovered she

was drinking ten bottles of wine in

a week.

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Let's get some sport

with Hugh Woozencroft.

Hugh, Billie Jean King has once

again called for a change

ahead of the Australian Open?

Good morning.

Well, the Australian Open starts

in Melbourne over the weekend

but already the tournament is making

controversial headlines,

and not for the first time.

Last year, you may

remember, Margaret Court -

the 11-time Aussie Open winner,

a devout Christian -

voiced her

opposition to gay marriage,

as well as derogatory comments

regarding transgender people.

The great Billie Jean King

is now calling for the stadium

in Melbourne named after

Court to be renamed.

Earlier, our tennis

correspondent Russell Fuller

told me what King had to say.

Billie Jean king was reigniting the

debate which started in May when

Margaret Court the winner of 20 for

a grand slam titles during her

career had some very outspoken views

on gay marriage and added that

tennis was full of lesbians and

transgender children will work of

the devil. The Margaret Court Arena

here in Melbourne Park takes her

name and tennis Australia at the

time said they would not change the

name even though they distance

themselves from views. Today Dolly

Jean King speaking in Melbourne said

it should have its name changed and

that if she was playing today she

would not play any matches on that

court. She went on to say that I

think if you were talking about

indigenous people or Jewish people

or any other people I cannot imagine

the public would want somebody to

have their name on something. We are

all God 's children she said. I just

feel like she has got really

derogatory.

A lot of talk about

inclusivity, was there a response

from the tournament organisers?

To

be fair to the Australian open there

was a press conference called to

mark the fact Billie Jean King who

is here to celebrate 50 years since

first winning the title and is the

Australian open's woman of the year

was able to express her views. The

tournament director was alongside

and he said what they said six or

seven months ago that once again

they would not condone what Margaret

Court said, we do not agree with

what she has said, but that the

court is named after her because of

her achievements on it. He also said

it was congregated, it is not just

tennis Australia who makes this

decision, the government own

Melbourne Park so there are many

stakeholders and he said there was

no active proxies to change the name

but there is something subject to

discussion.

Staying down under it's

been a good warm up for Heather

Watson.

She missed out on a first

WTA final in two years,

beaten in 3 sets by Belgian

second seed Elise Mertens.

And missing out isn't

always a negative.

At least that's what British

Bobsleigh are hoping for

after a minor stroke

ruled Bruce Tasker out

of the upcoming Winter Olympics.

His teammate John Jackson

says that 'heartache'

can help inspire the squad.

Tasker is expected to

make a full recovery

and resume his career next season.

Jackson says although he'll be

missed, Team GB has the

'strength and depth' to step

up to the challenge.

Looking forward to those games in

South Korea as well. We will be back

with more sport later in the hour.

When toddler Peter Connolly,

better known as Baby P,

died in horrific circumstances

just over ten years ago,

the Government said

it was essential to learn lessons

and restore the public's

confidence in social services.

His death was the highest profile,

but by no means the only, case

where professionals failed

to protect a child.

Various agencies were urged to talk

to each other more

and be more vigilant

for the signs of abuse.

But have things swung too far?

New figures from the Local

Government Association sure there

were over 600,000 referrals in

England and Wales last year. That is

one child every 49 seconds. The LGA

says councils are struggling to cope

and facing a £2 billion funding gap.

Let's speak now to Adele Joicey,

mother-of-four, who took her

two-year-old twin son Ryan

to the GP with a high

temperature but within hours,

social services were investigating

her for possible child abuse.

Melanie Adegbite, who works

as a social worker and says

despite the case pressure,

every case still needs

to be investigated.

Also Jon Brown from the NSPCC,

who says there are still many cases

that are going unreported

and these figures are still not

painting the full picture.

And Dr Lauren Devine

from the University of the West

of England, who thinks too many

cases are being referred.

Thank you all for joining us today.

Doctor Divine comedy have looked at

these statistics and pulled a report

together, tell us your findings.

Very briefly, I am interested in the

very current interest in the high

number of referrals, because the

data shows that has been an

increasingly high number on a

trajectory for a number of years.

What is also very interesting is

that the data shows that the higher

the referrals, the less addition to

the system becomes in detecting

serious child abuse. In fact, it is

no surprise to me, and everybody who

works within the system, either as

an academic or social worker, that

users will be missed. That is less

to do with the bother of any

individual local authority, although

in some cases clearly they have been

missed when they should have been

spotted, but it is more to do with

an overwhelming number of referrals,

that does not necessarily reflect

the number of children being abused.

In other words, from Arnold referred

who are abused and vice versa, there

are children in the system who have

not been abused and it is clogging

it up.

Melanie, I can see you were

nodding.

What I would say is that in

my experience, families that we are

working with nowadays, the families

who, into the social work services,

the issues are really much more

complex than was previously. I think

there are lots of reasons for that.

One of the reasons would be that the

thresholds are higher in local

authorities because of austerity,

because of the lack of funding, the

lack of resources.

So the situation

has to be worse for a child,

currently, to be seen by social

services than in years gone by

because of cuts?

Thresholds have

become higher, so what's the point

of intervention, it is, you know, it

is very different in terms of ten

years ago, 15 years ago. Families

would be, probably, in dire need at

that

that point or in child in need,

child protection cases. It is to do

with the lack of resources.

Adele, I

want to bring UN, because you're a

mother of four, and as I said, due

take your two-year-old Ryan to the

GP, he was unwell, and this is

related to a stage where they said

they were going to take him away

from you?

That is correct. I went to

the GP and he referred me, there was

a mark there that I was not sure

where it had come from, so he

explained he would refer it to

social services and the key about,

and that night they came out, and

because my partner works away, I

nobody to stay with me overnight so

they were not prepared to leave me

with Ryan overnight so were making

steps to remove him. I had to go and

pack a bag.

But he was not taken

away?

No, we were at the GP for a

couple of hours waiting for social

services to come out. By that time,

his temperature was continuing to go

up. He was poorly. When social

services came to my home and were

talking about it after we had left

the GP, Ryan has become very poorly,

so he went floppy and I took him to

BMD. What the social worker said was

it could all be straight about at

the hospital, because a safeguarding

doctor was there. -- to come to

Accident and Emergency. They could

examine Ryan Giggs review on the

mark.

So they were then happy that

the mark was innocent and Orion

stayed with you?

It turned out there

had been an error in the way it had

been recorded. When the GP

telephoned social services, he

explained that he had seen an

unexplained mark on a mobile child.

Ryan was quite mobile. However,

social services dealt with it as a

nonaccidental injury on and a mobile

child, which triggered a totally

different response, which is why

that path started. -- on a not

mobile child.

John, I want to bring

UN. Clearly, in Adil's situation,

mistakes were made. Is that

inevitable with the sheer amount of

cases being referred?

Inevitably

mistakes can be made on occasions

and it can be extremely stressful.

Of course being in the midst of a

situation where you are being

referred to children's services

because of concerned. What is

critical is that where those rebels

are made, because of the volume of

referrals coming through, and that

is not necessarily a bad thing, that

there is adequate reserves into

assets and Trieste was referrals so

they can be filtered where

appropriate to family support. We

need much more investment in family

support to assist families where

they need help. Where there are not

immediate concerns about abuse or

neglect but where they need help.

And then add resources to ensure

that where job protection action

does need to happen, it is taken

swiftly. We have learned a lot over

recent years in relation to that

accurate assessment. The development

of multi-agency safeguarding, but we

still do not know the overall scale

of the problem, and that of a real

issue. Some research that we did in

2011 showed that for every one child

on the job protection plan it is

estimated there are another age

children who are being subject to

abuse or neglect your not in the

system. -- and other aid children.

We are still looking at a

significant unknown figure and that

is why we are calling on the

government to undertake a prevalence

study to double as a better idea of

the extent of abuse right across the

UK. 'S if there is there amongst

social workers, we mentioned Baby P

in the introduction, is the worry

with you and your colleagues about

worrying some -- missing something

critical? We want to do the best

that we can do, and especially when

we are working with families, we

want to make sure that we are fair,

that our assessments are reflective

of the child's experience, I've

worked with children and families

for almost 20 years, so we want to

make sure that our assessment is

reflective. But the difficulty is

very similar to what I am hearing my

colleagues say, and that is it is

about funding. It is about being

able to provide the right support

once they have identified that. It

is a lack of resources, it is the

lack of experience that is leaving

the front line because of the

difficulty in actually being able to

do your role of the way in which we

know it needs to be done.

Are all

cases treated exactly the same when

they come in?

They cannot be. All

families are different. All issues,

circumstances, situations. The

assessments, the risks.

Circumstances, it is all different.

It cannot be treated the same.

Should it be?

No, and I think that

links back to the point made by the

NSPCC. It is a case of appropriately

triaging. If you are family in the

UK, under the current statistics,

you have a 19 chance of being

referred. Under the NSPCC's stats on

prevalence, that is roughly

equivalent. If the rates children

are in the system, we would have

pretty much eradicated child abuse.

But when you add in that 88% of the

nine referred are not even meeting

the statutory threshold, you can

understand...

Why are they being

referred? 88% of people are being

referred when there is no abuse

taking place.

Because the

government's policy at the moment,

from the Department for Education,

has not taken into account this

point about triaging. When a cases

referred, and it may not be an abuse

referral, it may be a request for

support. The problem for a social

worker is they have to triage. Since

2013, the government's guidance and

Department for Education's policy

has been to treat all cases under

what we called a continuous

assessment. That is where some of

this problem lies. It is a triage

issue. It needs to happen earlier

and spare innocent families the pain

of assessment and severe trauma that

is inevitable. It needs to be much

more robust response, or there is a

realistic suspicion of abuse. It can

either be eradicated or

substantiated.

What is the stand your relationship

with your social workers? Two of

your children have disabilities and

you work carefully with social

services. The effect of them

threatening to take Ryan away from

you, what effect has it had on that

relationship?

It leaves me quite

concerned to seek help. I mean,

prior to this happening, the

relationship of social services has

always been one of support and

trust. I have kind of lost about

now. I kind of worry, especially

with the children who are disabled,

like, Ryan Harris cerebral palsy and

falls more than a typical child. If

you fall the advance himself and you

are like, " is that going to be

looked at?" My eldest, my daughter,

is also nonverbal and you have that

kind of worry, like something

happens to her and she cannot

explained happened. Are you going to

be looked at? It is a shame that

that relationship went from one of

support to do not feel so

comfortable night.

Thank you all so

much for coming in to speak to us

today. I am very grateful you for

that.

Let's head back to Nottingham for

the latest on that station fire. Our

reporter is in Nottingham. Tell us

what you know.

Well, we are standing outside the

bus station, sorry, the car park of

Nottingham train station, and behind

that or the platforms at the

station. As you can see, there is

still strong emergency service

presence. The Fire crews were called

at around 6:20am, and that is where

we saw plumes of smoke coming out of

the station. We have had reports

that the folly of Nottingham train

station was filled with smoke and

one on reported sighting of smoke

coming out of a toilet on the

platform. As you can see, it is

fairly quiet now, in the sense that

the smokers disappeared. The crews

have put that out. As you can

imagine, it has caused travel chaos.

Trains in and out of the station

have been stopped and cancelled and

we understand there will be nothing

going in and out and it has also had

an effect on roads around the

station and on commuters coming in

and out of the city.

Still to come:

You may be familiar with the hit

blog 'Mummy was a Secret Drinker',

about Clare Pooley's realisation

that her casual drinking

was getting out of control.

She's giving us her first

TV interview shortly.

The roll-out of Universal Credit

has not been without problems

but a new report warns that

vulnerable people are at risk

of financial difficulties

when they transfer over

from tax credits.

We'll hear one man's experience.

Time for the latest news.

The BBC News headlines this morning.

A huge fire is blazing

at Nottingham railway station.

Nottinghamshire Fire and rescue say

they're dealing with a 'large

incident' with multiple fire engines

at the scene.

The station has been evacuated.

East Midland Trains say all trains

through the station are cancelled

and they expect disruptions.

Donald Trump has cancelled his

planned visit to the UK next month.

The US President tweeted that he had

cancelled the planned visit

as he didn't want to open

the new American embassy in London -

which he incorrectly stated had been

commissioned by his predecessor,

Barack Obama.

A study of women with breast cancer

suggests that having a double

mastectomy does not increase

the chances of survival in younger

patients who have what's known

as the BRAC1 gene.

The researchers also found that

women treated for breast cancer had

the same survival rates -

regardless of whether or not

they had the mutation.

An 18-year-old from the Scottish

highlands has died after

contracting the flu virus.

Bethany Walker was airlifted

to hospital in Inverness

from her home in Wester Ross,

but her illness had developed

into pneumonia and staff

were unable to save her.

Elsewhere, in England,

there has been a sharp rise

in the number of flu cases seen

by GPs - up 78 % from last week.

The conduct of the media is expected

to be examined by the independent

review into the response

to the Manchester Arena bombing.

22 people were killed when a bomb

was set off after a pop concert

at the venue in May.

Several of the bereaved families

have raised concerns

about the reporting of the attack.

The review will also look

at the role played by social media.

The BBC is said "deeply unimpressed"

with an off-air chat in which two

of its presenters joked

about the pay gap between the sexes.

That's according to a source

at the corporation.

BBC Radio 4 Today presenter

John Humphrys and North America

editor Jon Sopel were discussing

Carrie Gracie, who had just quit her

China Editor job over equal pay.

In an exchange before Monday's

show, it's reported they

they joked about "handing over" pay

to keep her in post.

A BBC spokeswoman said

the presenter regrets

the "ill-advised" conversation.

The Queen has been talking about

some of the challenges she faced at

her coronation 65 years ago. She

spoke candidly about the heaviness

of the crown she wore and noted it

was lucky her and her father King

George VI had the same sort of

shaped head. The correlation will be

on BBC One at eight this Sunday.

That's a summary of

the latest BBC news.

Here's some sport now.

Billie Jean King has once again

called for the Margaret Court Arena

in Melbourne to be renamed after

Margaret Court made the rocket

Margaret Court made the rocket --

derogatory comments about gay and

transgender people last year. Billie

Jean King said as a gay woman she

would not play on the court that she

was still on tour. Heather Watson

missed out on her first WTA final in

two years after she was beaten in

the semifinal of the Hobart open.

She lost in three sets to defending

champion Elise Merson 's. Alexis

Sanchez, he is likely to leave the

FA Cup holders this January if a

suitable offer arrives and our

replacement is secured. And Anthony

Joshua's unification fight against

Joseph Parker New Zealand could be

confirmed in the next 24 hours.

Parker is set to arrive in London

this weekend with the news

conference planned for next week.

We are keeping you updated on this

fire at Nottingham train station.

Hopefully we'll be able to speak to

someone in the next few minutes who

has got in touch with the BBC

weather own experience of what

happened at Nottingham train

station. I arrived at Nottingham

train station at 6:35am when there

was a fire engine at front but not

clear what was happening, I got a

lift towards the main concourse,

walked towards the entrance and was

greeted by a member of staff who

said we had to evacuate. She goes on

to say there is a strong smell of

burning plastic and they were all

moved away from the area. Smoke

filling the buildings. We will try

to connect with them in the next few

minutes and if we do manage that we

will get their take on what

happened. Quite dramatic pictures

coming in.

When you stop smoking or cut back

on sugar, people applaud you,

but as Clare Pooley discovered,

it's not always the case

when you tell people

you're going sober.

Clare is a mum of three

and realised her wine habit was out

of control when she was drinking up

to 10 bottles a week

and covering up how much drank.

In March 2016 she decided

to change her life and quit

the booze for good.

And in and effort to find support

she started a blog called 'Mummy

was a Secret Drinker'.

I'm pleased to say Clare is with us

for her first TV interview.

Thank you for coming in. Often when

you talk to people who have some

kind of addiction they say there was

a defining moment, a turning point,

did you have that?

Not really, it

was more a creeping realisation that

the thing I thought was my best

friend, white wine, was my worst

enemy. The amount I used to drink at

the end of the day when I had put

the children to bed to relax, it

started off as one glass, then it

became two and then three and

eventually I was drinking about a

bottle of wine per day and more at

the weekend. It was just a creeping

realisation that it wasn't doing me

any good physically or mentally. I

was two stone over weight, I would

wake up in the middle of the night

unable to get back to sleep and I

was anxious a lot of the time. My

whole life was stuck in at. It

became obvious to me that wine was

to blame.

Did your husband picked up

on it at all?

He told me that he

thought I should cut down.

That is a

difficult thing to fear from your

partner.

Yes, I did not take it

well, and my mother said something

as well but that was all I heard. My

friends and family mostly thought I

was drinking the same way anyone

else was. My Facebook feed filled

with jokes about money 's little

helper and they accepted thing that

that was what mums do at the end of

the day. I don't think anyone saw it

as a major problem and nobody

realised how much I was drinking,

even I didn't realise because it

took me a long time to add it all

up.

Why did you drink, just to wind

down or was there an element of

boredom? I know you had a successful

career and then became a full-time

mum and sometimes it can be

difficult to make that adjustment.

I

saw motherhood from both sides as I

did it as a working mother and then

a stay at home mother and both were

incredibly rewarding and also quite

stressful. Sometimes boring,

sometimes, it's hard work. So yes I

drank as a way of alleviating that I

guess. But to be honest I drank to

celebrate and commiserate, when I

was feeling stressed or was feeling

happy. I drank for quite a number of

different reasons.

I have two young

girls and I know often as you are

dragging the children back from

school and one of them is having a

tantrum, another mother will walk

past and say, not long until you can

have a glass of wine! There is a

culture that sometimes it's the

thing to get through. In your book

you wrote that if you stood by the

school gates and said if I am going

to go home and have a line of

cocaine that people would not say

that is OK but going home to have

that glass of wine is encouraged.

Yes and I think that is part of the

problem, it's so normalised. It is

absolutely part of our culture. 80%

of the adult population drink and

mums, it's much more common than

not.

How did you go about it? Did

you start to limit your intake, did

you go cold turkey?

I tried for a

number of years to moderate and

drink normally and sensibly because

I didn't want to give up altogether,

I just wanted to drink with the

government guidelines. But what I

realised as I am all are nothing and

moderation is not my thing. I would

set myself rules like I will only

drink when I go out or I will only

drink at weekends or I will need

drink beer because I don't really

like it and I could not stick to

those rules and it was exhausting

trying to keep a lid on it. I find

it so much easier and liberating

just to give up altogether. Now I

have this sense of freedom, I don't

have to worry about any of that any

more. It's immense liberation.

How

did you go about it, if you're

drinking that much presumably it's

quite hard physically if nothing

else to withdraw?

The withdrawal

effects are over quite quickly to be

honest. A few days of feeling mild

flu but the tricky thing is

retraining your brain. I spent 20

years automatically reaching for a

glass of wine for so many different

reasons. If I was stressed.

Retraining yourself to find other

healthier ways of dealing with

everyday ups and downs takes quite a

long time. That's tricky. And

dealing with other people's

reactions.

That's what I wanted to

ask, often if you go out and say you

are not drinking people will try to

convince you.

Yes, people's

reactions are odd. Often they want

to know why you have stopped, they

want to know the horror stories,

they assume you are a terrible

mother and you were drinking first

thing in the morning or whatever. Or

they think you will be very boring

or they think you're going to judge

them and none of that is true.

them and none of that is true. Other

people's reactions are tricky to

deal with.

Did you judge yourself?

Did you think you were a terrible

mother?

I did and I think that is

part of the problem with alcohol

addiction, there is a lot of shame

involved. I did not like myself by

the end and one of the best things

about quitting as I like myself

again.

again.

You wrote this blogger and it

was secretive at first, people did

not know who you wear?

Yeah, I wrote

it as therapy, it was my way of

working everything in it out and I

did not expect people to find it and

I did not publicise it. But hundreds

of thousands of women around the

world and some men phoned me and

said I have felt the same thing and

I am so relieved to find out I am

not the only one. Since my book came

out ten days ago I've had the same

thing. Hundreds of messages from

people all over the world saying I

thought this was just me and it's

such a relief to find out it isn't.

There are a lot of women, mothers

particularly out there who have the

same issue but have been too

frightened to say anything because

we worry about being judged.

I was

reading one of your children noticed

you had stopped drinking.

Yes,

actually I asked if they thought I

was different and at the time I

think he was nine and I said do you

think money is different Sunjic she

stopped drinking and he went yes,

you are more, and I paused thinking

what is he going to say? He said you

are more money issue and I thought

"Hooray" because that's what I

wanted to be.

wanted to be.

Thank you so much for

coming in.

With President Trump cancelling his

visit to the UK is this the end of

the special relationship? Let's head

back to Nottingham and speak to

someone caught up in the fire at

Nottingham train station. I was

reading a bit of text which was sent

an earlier on to the BBC. Tell me

what you saw, you got to the train

station around 6:30am is that right?

Yes, just after for the 6:52am train

to London. There was a fire engine

at the front, I did not know if it

was linked anything so I carried on

into the station. Went up to the

concourse and as I was entering the

doors there was smoke everywhere and

a member of staff came out and said

we had to evacuate the building. So

we did that, went outside and there

was smoke billowing out the sides.

Quite a sight really.

Whether many

people around at that time of day?

Not that many at that time. A few

people, I would say no more than 20,

just stood outside wondering what

was going on. Fire alarms were going

off and the police and the fire

engine at the front of the station

so we stood around for a bit not

knowing what to do then we were

asked to move back because the smoke

started getting quite heavy close to

where we wear.

The pictures look

incredibly dramatic, do they do

justice to what you saw?

It was

dramatic. I have never seen, been

that close to a fire like that

before. I could not see any flames

from where I was stood but there was

definitely smoke and you could smell

burning and all that kind of thing.

Then we were asked to move away from

the area and go across the bridge

and that is when you could see it

from a distance and you could see

the top of the flames, this red he

is a of black smoke billowing out

the top. That is when the wee side

properly and realised how serious it

was.

Whether a lot of fire engines

at the scene and firefighters?

Yeah,

12-mac firefighters wandering around

making sure nobody else was inside.

It seemed every five minutes there

were more emergency vehicles

arriving at the scene so you knew it

must have been quite bad if they

kept having to call more people.

Were people worried, was there a

sense of panic? Or were people just

can't doing what they were told?

Nobody was worried, it was quite

obvious what was happening and

everyone was calmly trying to figure

out what they will do, how they were

going to get where they needed to

go.

Thanks ever so much for giving

us your eyewitness account of that

fire.

fire. Let me read you this which has

come from the Mayor of London Sadiq

Khan. He has issued the following

statement on the cancellation of

President Trump's visit. Sadiq Khan

says it appears President Trump got

the message from the many Londoners

who love and admire America and

Americans but find his policies and

actions the polar opposite of our

cities values of inclusion,

diversity and tolerance. His visit

next month would without doubt have

been met by mass peaceful protests.

This just reinforces what a mistake

it was for Theresa May to rush and

extend an invitation of a state

visit in the first place. Let's hope

Donald Trump also revisits the

pursuit of his divisive agenda. That

is a

is a statement coming in from the

Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan after

President Trump said he is going to

cancel his trip. He is meant to be

opening the new American embassy

which has moved to Vauxhall. He was

unimpressed by it and blamed Barack

Obama for the decision but the

decision was taken during the George

W. Bush administration but the

details of where iron out during the

Obama administration. But as we know

Theresa May has said a visit by

President Trump will happen at some

point, she was talking to Andrew

Marr on the BBC in the last few

days.

Your experience as well, I whine

o'clock. Do you find that if you're

a stay at home mum, a working mum,

do you often open a bottle earlier

and earlier? Do find that your

drinking is starting earlier and

earlier? I tried to modify her

drinking and thought it was not

possible to give up drinking. Tina

said she has not drunk and 27 years

as she was a binge drinker and used

it as an escape and now hate the

thought of being drunk and much

prefers to be in control of herself.

I think we are also going to get

some more information coming through

on the fire from Nottingham. Of

course, that train station fire. We

were talking to Laura just a few

minutes ago. Lots of reporters down

on the scene trying to get a sense

of that scale of the fire. Victoria

Norris is that the scene. John Mills

is the operational commander there.

He has been speaking to reporters at

the scene. He said that at 6:30am

there was a call about a fire in

toilets which had developed and

spread. It was a demanding incident

that had spread quickly. The fire

has progressed into voids. There are

no casualties or injuries. That has

been confirmed. There are emergency

services involved. He says nothing

can be ruled out at this stage.

Police are investigating as well as

fire investigators. The fire is

still burning, it did spread very

quickly. The operational commander

went on to say this fire was about

complexity, rather than the size.

Fire in voids, where you cannot see

the orange flames, and the heat was

very significant. Clearly the

station will be closed for the rest

of the day. Huge implications are

for people who are trying to

commute. Many people commute from

Nottingham into London. No trains

for the rest of the day. Clearly,

you need to have other plans if

you're trying to get from Nottingham

station to anywhere else.

We've talked a lot on this programme

about the difficulties some people

face when they are moved

onto universal Credit -

that's the new benefit system

consolidating six payments into one.

Today the government is being warned

that people claiming tax credits

are at risk of financial problems

as they transfer

to Universal Credit.

MPs on the Public Accounts Committee

are particularly concerned that

people are being over-payed in error

and will struggle to pay it back.

We've reported extensively

on the hardship faced by some people

on Universal Credit.

Here's a clip from a woman

who spoke to us last year.

They've turned round and said I have

to wait between six weeks and three

months before I get payment.

And so, for the last

two and a half weeks,

you haven't had any money in at all?

Nothing, nothing whatsoever.

And how have things been

for you in that time?

Very, very difficult.

Last weekend, we've had no food,

my five-year-old's last

food was school dinners.

On the Saturday, we were

walking down the street,

and she was searching in bins

for food, cos she was starving.

She was, like, ripping McDonald's

bags to see if there was any chips

or anything on the floor.

It was awful, broke my heart.

Sunday, there was no food,

she was going to bed,

her stomach was rumbling -

"I'm hungry, I'm

hungry, I'm hungry."

And she had no food Saturday,

Sunday, went to school

really, really hungry.

You take her to bed,

and her tummy's rumbling,

and you're just giving her water,

but she wants food, and you can't...

I can't go into the shop

and steal, it's awful.

I can't keep asking neighbours

for food, because I shouldn't

have to live like this.

That is awful.

I had to go to foodbank to get

some food, you know.

Without that, they would still

be without food now.

I don't know if I'm going

to still have my house,

because I need to pay my rent,

council tax is due, I don't know.

It's...my worst nightmare.

What do I do next?

Do I beg on the street to get

some milk and bread?

I don't want to do that either.

But it might come to

the stage where I have to.

Now we will talk to Shabana Mahmood

from the Public Accounts Committee,

It Boyd is the managing director for

the Centre for Social Justice and

Brendan Faulkner, a Universal Credit

recipient who has had serious

financial difficulty.

do you understand some of the

concerns, and there have been many

that have been highlighted, although

Universal Credit?

There have been a

number of rightful concern is to

make sure that as people transition

from the older to the new that it

happens really smoothly and easily,

and what was welcomed was assumed

the government towards the last year

put £1.5 billion more in to make

sure that if somebody comes into the

system with any financial hardship,

that within 24 hours they can get

their entire payment. We did not

have that before. There was a bit of

an issue but we have that now and we

should see as new people come on,

that should make a massive

difference and stop people falling

into poverty, which is a fantastic

thing.

This will be eloquently

outlined any moment when Mr Mahmud

joins us, but the concern that the

Public Accounts Committee has is

that people are going to be

overpaid, clearly not their fault,

and then that money will be clawed

back and, in certain cases, that

means real, real hardship because

the amount of money being clawed

back every month, which is not their

month, means they are struggling to

survive.

There is a huge issue here

and there has been for decades.

Under tax credits, you would be

overpaid and then at the end of the

year somebody would say you need to

give us thousands of pounds, we

would like it back. Often that

request was made in one go at the

end of the year. What is better

about Universal Credit, and it was

designed to tackle this problem, it

is not waiting to be end of the

year. Every single month is more

limited back. Generally it is about

£30 per month, the maximum.

That is

a lot of money. If they are living

on benefits, that is a small -- not

a small amount of money. It makes

the difference between being able to

get food or putting the heating on.

It is about 3% of the average

amount, a sizeable amount, but this

is where the work coaches on the

front line need to make good calls.

In what, it is set out that they

should not ring back money any

quicker, and in a way that would

push people into poverty. The law

clearly sets that out and there is

flexibility for each work coached to

do it merit by merit. If they think

this will push somebody into

poverty, they can reduce the amount

to as little as £1 per month to make

sure that people have enough to go

by. Those people need to use that

discretion, they need to be trained

really well and as the new system

come on, but will be litmus test.

I

think that could be music to the

ears of Brendan Faulkner, who is

just over your shoulder. Thank you

for joining us. Edward was just

talking to us about how there can be

flexibility on the system. If you

are overpaid on tax credits, they

can reduce the amount you have to be

back. Tell us what happened to your

tax credits when you removed over to

Universal Credit.

I was on child tax

credits and then I got a letter to

say I had been overpaid by, I think,

£110. That they would be in touch

with me in the future to see how

much they would be going back. They

never got in touch with me. I have

said the letters by recorded

delivery to find out, you know, when

this is from, what date it is from

and until. They never gave me the

dates that it was possibly overpaid

until. They started taking the money

out of my benefit, without

consulting with me.

So, they did not

warn you that they were going to

take the money?

No, it is only 10.20

5p per month, I have checked this

morning, but when I went my journal,

and I have -- if I had not gone on

to that is EMI other deductions are

going, I would not have even known

that I was... The money was being

taken for tax credits.

What impact

is that money that is being taken

away from you having on your ability

to clothe yourself, feed yourself,

pretty roof over your head?

Well,

going over to Universal Credit, I

did lose a certain amount anyway

from my jobseeker's allowance.

Roughly £30 per week. So, I have

lost that on the Universal Credit

and then this on top, it is a few

days electric, this £10, or it is,

you know, going towards my shopping.

I am a single dad, I have my son, I

have got him to a deal to bring up

between me and his mum. I have got

to make sure that he is clothed and

fed. It is not there to leave it all

to his mother, obviously, and he is

worth the week anyway. Use a

seven-year-old lad, growing, so I

have to make sure he is OK. School

shoes, keeping up with the friends

of skill. Obviously cannot afford

the latest trainers, but a decent

clothing.

And they grow so fast.

This one does!

Just hearing what

Edward said, that those payments...

It is not your fault that you were

overpaid, they could be reduced to

£2 per week. Without be better for

you or would you rather get rid of

it sooner?

You know, it is £10 25

per month. I do not mind it carrying

on at that amount. It is negligible,

£2 per week, but it would mean nice

to be informed about what would

happen. I was not informed. I have

three letters to HMRC to see, you

know, what the gates were, to see if

I did all this money, and I have

heard nothing back. I have tried

phoning, you are on the phone for

ever and nobody gives you an answer.

And that is frustrating. Listen, I

want to bring and other speakers.

Someone from the Public Accounts

Committee has joined us. Can you

outline what the concerns are the

Public Accounts Committee average

tax credits and people moving over

to Universal Credit?

Good morning.

Our major concern in the committee

was that a large number of people

have an overpayment on their tax

credit accounts. It is mostly due to

error, occasionally due to fraud.

But we are particularly concerned

about those who have an overpayment

and as they are transferred on to

Universal Credit, there is a risk

that overpayment follows them and

the Department for Work & Pensions,

who administer Universal Credit,

have much greater powers when it

comes to recovery of money by way of

overpayment. They can take money

directly from your earnings, which

is a very different approach to what

HMRC currently have in relation to

tax credits. We were concerned that

this might fall through between two

different government departments and

there has not been a conversation

between both of those as to how they

will work together to migrate

claimants. My particular concern is

a constituency MP, was a lot of

constituents on tax credits, they

might find that they are pushed

further into poverty when they move

into Universal Credit through no

fault of their own.

One of the

important thing is Universal Credit,

Brendan's topic is fattening, --

fascinating, clearly there should be

much more communication. It is

worrying that you should not cure

that. You said that he wrote to

HMRC, it is one the DWP, they should

be getting back to you clearly

anyway. In terms of Bishop people

into poverty, if you step back from

the detail where there is a few

cases where communication has not

been great, this should lead to

250,000 more people being in work.

The result of that is huge. A child

growing up any workless family, they

are three times more likely to be in

poverty. This supports people more

to work. All the evidence from

government and the IFS and everybody

else says this is one of the most

effective poverty fighting tool. To

see it pushes people into poverty

feels like it is stretching the ball

too far.

I think a misunderstanding

-- your misunderstanding. It was not

about whether Universal Credit is a

good reform or not, that is a matter

for another committee on another

day. We are concerned about tax

credits and overpayment on tax

credits which are forecast to rise,

and how they will be migrated onto

Universal Credit. This is a matter

of administration. It requires those

two government departments to talk

to one another and make sure they

have a process in place so that

accidentally we do not find that

people, through lack of good

administrative practice, are forced

into greater poverty than is

necessary. We want to make sure that

conversation happens and that is why

we asked HMRC to come back to us at

the end of March with a proper plan

of action. This is one of those

things that will just slept through

the net, and as a constituency MP, I

will have people coming to my advice

surgery

surgery with those very specific

problem and we are trying to get

that off.

Thank you ever so much for

joining us this morning, all of you.

We asked the government

for a representative

to join us but were given

the following statement from HMRC:

Just like the previous system,

tax credit overpayments

are recovered by regular

deductions and people are told

about this in advance.

There are safeguards in place

to protect claimants from large

deductions being taken at one time

and budgeting support is available

to help people manage their money.

Let's get the latest weather update.

Let's get the latest weather update.

How is it looking?

Always ready and waiting. I have got

news of a change in weather take

over the next few days. Stay with

me. Things are said to liven up a

little bit, for the weather. Lots of

great skies around for many. Misty,

foggy mornings but through Sunday

night and into Monday, we will see

heavy rain and strong winds for a

spell. Once that clears, a big

weather change for next week. Much,

much colder, and clearer at times,

but we will see some strong winds

and wintry showers heading our way.

Bringing that weather change is a

change of the jet stream is. This

ribbon of fast flowing in is coming

out of the US and Canada, diving up

and down, never really pushing

towards us, so we have been stuck in

this benign weather system for the

past two days. If we show you what

happens to that by Sunday, it

charges towards us. It is that which

will engineer the change in weather

type for next week. That is a few

days away. I'd fear at the moment it

is a case of as you were. Lots of

great cloud outside. Some mist and

fog still lingering at the moment.

The old spot are no good through

central and eastern parts of

England. Most having a dry day and

some of you already seen the

function. A few more bricks bearing,

particularly across parts of Wales,

England, Cumbria, the central belt

of Scotland and the far north of

Scotland. With sunshine and clouds,

temperatures were they should be for

a time of year. But it will feel

much better when you have got the

sunshine on your back. Into tonight,

the mist, some low cloud once again

continuing. A bit more breeze

tonight. Follow not so much of an

issue. What you will notice is the

window strengthens towards the West.

Returns turns water towards Northern

Ireland and later into Pembrokeshire

and also Cornwall. Main chance of

frost, probably northern part of

Scotland, where skies remain clear

as overnight. Into the weekend we

go. Some sunny breaks, the North of

Scotland. One or two perhaps

brighter breaks compared with recent

days, but plenty of cloud in the

West. Outbreaks of rain coming and

going all day long in Northern

Ireland and turning water across the

hill fog of Wales, Cornwall, Devon

and maybe into the Western fringes

of Scotland. Slightly cooler and

eastern parts. Through Saturday into

zombie, chance of frost, mist and

fog, fairly cloudy day on Sunday. We

see the weather front line, grinding

to a halt. Patchy rain or drizzle

here. Many eastern areas will be

dry. A bit of brightness breaking

through the cloud but later on we

see it turn water towards western

Scotland and Northern Ireland. Not

just wet but windy, and that a spell

of very windy weather as it sweeps

beautifully southwards through

Sunday into Monday. We will open the

day too much, much colder for next

week and a bit of sleet and snow on

the forecast as well.

Donald Trump cancels a trip to the

UK to open the new US embassy.

In a tweet he blames Obama

for the making a bad deal

and choosing an "off location".

The new billion-dollar embassy due

to open next week, we will get

reaction to this decision by Donald

Trump, including from Mayor of

London Sadiq Khan.

We'll be speaking to former

British ambassador to

the United States Lord Renwick.

We will discuss how this decision

will be viewed by the British

government. There are no reports of

casualties but travellers have been

evacuated and trains cancelled after

a fire breaks out at Nottingham

train station.

A new study of women with breast

cancer suggests that having a double

mastectomy does not increase

the survival rates of young woman

who carry the BRCA gene.

We'll speak to a breast

cancer survivor.

Good morning.

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of todays news.

Donald Trump has cancelled

a planned visit to the UK.

The US President tweeted that he no

longer wants to open

the new American embassy in London.

He incorrectly stated it had been

commissioned by his predecessor

Barack Obama. John Donaldson joins

me from outside the embassy, this is

what Donald Trump considers to be an

"Off location" but it was the

Republican predecessor to Barack

Obama, George W Bush, who decided

the location should change.

That's

right, the decision was made in

October 2008 which was before

President Obama took office so it

was a decision by George W Bush, he

decided to move from the famous

location in the gross on a square in

Mayfair to hearing Vauxhall. This is

the questioning Belding, it cost

more than $1 billion and the

supposed open for business next

week. We have got a reaction

including from Mayor of London Sadiq

Khan who has said it appears

President Trump got the message from

the many Londoners who love and

admire America and Americans but

find things policies and actions the

polar opposite of our cities values

of inclusion, diversity and

tolerance. He went on to say the

visit next month would without doubt

have been met by mass peaceful

protests. This is not the state

visit people have been talking about

which is also controversial, this

would have been a much more

low-profile smaller a fair, the

state visit still expected to happen

next year is still very much in

doubt.

A huge fire has ripped

through Nottingham railway station.

Nottinghamshire Fire and rescue

described it as a 'large incident'

with multiple fire engines

at the scene.

Trains are cancelled and the station

will remain shut all day.

A study of women with breast cancer

suggests that having a double

mastectomy does not increase

the chances of survival in younger

patients who have what's

known as the BRCA gene.

The researchers also found that

women treated for breast cancer had

the same survival rates -

regardless of whether or not

they had the mutation.

An 18-year-old from the Scottish

highlands has died after

contracting the flu virus.

Bethany Walker was airlifted

to hospital in Inverness

from her home in Wester Ross,

but her illness had developed

into pneumonia and staff

were unable to save her.

Elsewhere, in England,

there has been a sharp rise

in the number of flu cases seen

by GPs - up 78 % from last week.

The conduct of the media is expected

to be examined by the independent

review into the response

to the Manchester Arena bombing.

22 people were killed when a bomb

was set off after a pop concert

at the venue in May.

Several of the bereaved families

have raised concerns

about the reporting of the attack.

The review will also look

at the role played by social media.

The BBC is said "deeply unimpressed"

with an off-air chat in which two

of its presenters joked

about the pay gap between the sexes.

That's according to a source

at the corporation.

BBC Radio 4 Today presenter

John Humphrys and North America

editor Jon Sopel were discussing

Carrie Gracie, who had just quit her

China Editor job over equal pay.

In an exchange before Monday's

show, it's reported they

they joked about "handing over" pay

to keep her in post.

A BBC spokeswoman said

the presenter regrets

the "ill-advised" conversation.

Jewellery worth millions of euros

stolen from the Ritz hotel in Paris

has been recovered after one of the

thieves dropped his bag while trying

to escape. Three men armed with axes

were arrested after being blocked

inside the building on Wednesday

evening. Two accomplices waiting

outside on mopeds escaped but

dropped the bag containing all the

jewellery after crashing into

pedestrians.

That's a summary of the latest BBC

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Here's some sport now with Hugh.

You might remember last year

Margaret Court the 11 time

Australian open winner and avowed

Christian voiced opposition to gay

marriage and made derogatory

comments regarding transgender

people. Ahead of the start of this

years tournament the great Billie

Jean King is now calling for the

arena in Melbourne after her to be

renamed, here is Russell Fuller.

Billie Jean King was reigniting the

debate which started in May when

Margaret Court, the winner of 24

grand slam titles during her career

had some very outspoken views on gay

marriage. She also added tennis was

full of lesbians and that

transgender children were the work

of the devil. The Margaret Court

Arena here in Melbourne Park takes

her name and tennis Australia said

at the time we are not going to

change the name even though they

distance themselves from her views.

Today Billie Jean King speaking in

Melbourne has said the court should

have its name changed and that if

she was playing today she would not

be playing any matches on that

court.

Staying down under, a good

warm up for Heather Watson, despite

defeat overnight, missing out on her

first WTA final in two years, she

was beaten in three sets in the

semifinal. After 12 years at Arsenal

Theo Walcott looks like he may well

be on his way out of the club very

soon. This morning Everton boss Sam

Allardyce confirmed the teams have

entered negotiations over the

28-year-old with a permanent

transfer Everton's preferred option.

Sam Allardyce says he would be a