17/01/2018 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello it's Wednesday, it's 9

o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

welcome to the programme.

Tens of thousands of nurses

are leaving the NHS in England every

year, piling pressure

on over-stretched wards

and community services.

And the number leaving is greater

than the number of nurses training.

At the moment we are struggling

because now nurses have

lost their bursary it's

a struggle to get them in.

When you've got to pay £9000

and also have the privilege

of working nights and shifts,

that's really difficult.

We'll be live at Birmingham

Children's Hospital.

As police release more details

about the 13 siblings held

captive in California,

we'll speak to people with personal

experience of being kidnapped.

And held captive.

Also this morning -

would you be more productive

if you worked less?

We meet the UK companies who say

business is booming since they gave

staff more time off.

Workers in Germany can stop

working on Thursday and yet

still produce more than we do.

So therefore greater and longer

working hours doesn't means

So therefore greater and longer

working hours doesn't mean

we are more productive,

especially when it negatively

impacts our health and our

ability to do our job.

We'll hear from companies pioneering

new approaches to improve

people's work-life balance.

Hello.

Welcome to the programme, we're live

until 11:00am this morning.

Clearly this morning we want to know

about your work-life balance.

Do you, have you, worked crazy hours

and done something about that?

Is it worth it?

If you are a boss, how do you work

with your staff?

Have you been able to come

up with a solution.

Use the hashtag VictoriaLive, send

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there's Facebook too.

Our top story today,

more nurses left the NHS in England

last year than joined.

The statistics - given

exclusively to the BBC -

reveal that more than 33,000 gave up

jobs with the service -

that's 3000 more than signed up.

The Royal College of Nursing says

more must be done to support

younger nurses at the start

of their careers.

Here's our health

correspondent, Dominic Hughes.

Nursing is a profession

under pressure.

Now a new analysis of nurses working

in the NHS in England shows

a worrying number are choosing

to leave the profession.

Last year, more than

33,000 nurses walked away

from their health service jobs.

That's a 20% rise compared with four

years ago and those leaving

outnumber those joining.

One in four of those

leaving are relatively

young, under 30.

This has potentially

serious implications

for a sustainable

nursing profession.

Unless we can improve the number

of nurses there to support

the new ones coming in, it becomes

a continuous vicious cycle

where people will not want to stay

because they have not got

the support within the workplace.

Ministers in England say more nurses

are working in the NHS today

than 2010 and they have launched

a programme to help organisations

keep hold of experienced and highly

skilled staff but retaining nurses

is a problem across the UK

and the pressures of a tough winter

on an already stretched health

service will not help.

Dominic Hughes, BBC News.

And we can speak now

to Dominic, who's at

Birmingham Children's hospital.

Is this a problem right across the

UK?

It is. We know from the latest

statistics we have from Northern

Ireland and Scotland, that the

number of those leaving is rising,

so more than 7% of the nursing

workforce left in both Northern

Ireland and Scotland. But still

there, joiners outnumbered those

leaving. They are still in positive

territory. In Wales, a Freedom of

information request revealed the

reverse was true with more people

leaving the profession and joining.

A similar picture to England. The

Department of Health does say that

apart from the claim that there are

more nurses working on hospital

wards today than in 2010, that is

true. But if you look across the

piece, mental health services and

community services, for example,

there is an issue there. They have

created an extra 5000 nursing places

for trainee nurses, an increase of

25% on last it, but those nurses

will take three years to qualify.

And the NHS is supporting

organisations to try to hang onto

these highly qualified and skilled

staff. But it's clearly an issue

across the UK.

We will hear more

from Dominik and nurses at

Birmingham children's Hospital in

around 15 minutes time. If you are a

nurse considering leaving the

profession or have recently left,

let me know why this morning. To the

rest of this morning's news now.

Documents seen by the BBC show

the services and construction giant,

Carillion, was left with just

£29 million in cash when it

collapsed on Monday -

but owed more than £1.3 billion

to its banks.

The figures are from a witness

statement to the insolvency court

made by the company's

interim chief executive.

The statement also details

how repeated efforts

to save the firm failed.

The revelations will worry

businesses owed money by Carillion,

which is one of the biggest public

sector contractors in the UK.

Snow and ice are causing

serious problems on roads

across Scotland, Northern Ireland

and Northern England,

with drivers stranded in long queues

on the M74 motorway.

Mountain rescue teams

are helping trapped motorists,

and people in Dumfries and Galloway

are being advised not to drive.

Snow has also caused problems

in Northern Ireland,

forcing schools to close

and disrupting public transport.

Ian Palmer reports.

Rescuing the drivers trapped

in their cars overnight

on the main motorway

between England and Scotland.

Heavy snow meant treacherous

conditions for the emergency

services on the M74.

The icy weather kept some

motorists in freezing cars

for more than eight hours.

Very little has been

happening, I'm afraid.

We've barely moved.

I'm not that far away

from Motherwell still.

In total, very little movement.

The M74 runs from

Gretna Green to Glasgow.

The main problems were from Junction

12 to 15 and the wild

weather is not going away.

The Met Office has issued

a number of warnings for:

On the Isle of Skye,

the main road was closed for several

hours in both directions

by a jackknifed lorry.

Two buses carrying pupils

were forced to return

to school for the night.

We have had people stuck for a good

six or eight hours in their

vehicles. Quite a long time. We have

assisted at least one or two

vehicles that had completely run out

of fuel and managed to get fuel back

to them, but mostly it has been just

checking the welfare of people in

their cars.

their cars.

Dozens of schools were

closed yesterday in Scotland are

affecting thousands of children.

But it wasn't all doom and gloom.

In Selkirk, the scene was worthy

of a seasonal postcard with people

living on higher ground witnessing

the heaviest snowfall.

In Dumfries, snowploughs

worked around the clock

to keep motorists moving.

This was the picture in Glasgow.

And in Edinburgh, only the most

determined ventured out in our cars.

Gritters have been out

through the night to avoid a repeat

of the problems for drivers

on the M74 but Police Scotland

say if you can avoid

travelling this morning,

you should do so.

Ian Palmer, BBC News.

A Conservative MP has apologised

for a blog post he wrote in 2012

suggesting that unemployed people

on benefits should have vasectomies

if they couldn't afford

to have more children.

Ben Bradley, who's 28,

was made Conservative vice chairman

for youth in Theresa May's reshuffle

last week.

The High Court is to hear a legal

challenge against the Home Office,

brought on behalf of women who were

once involved in prostitution.

They'll argue it's unlawful

for details of their convictions

for soliciting to be stored

and disclosed to potential

future employers.

Police in California have praised

the bravery of the 17-year-old girl

who escaped from the home

where she and her 12 siblings

were allegedly being held

captive by their parents.

David and Louise Turpin -

whose children range

in age from 2 to 29 -

are due to appear in court

later this week, charged

with torture and child endangerment.

Our North America Correspondent,

James Cook, reports.

In public, they looked like a big,

happy family, devoutly Christian.

Renewing their wedding vows in Las

Vegas, David and Louise Turpin

played the part of proud parents.

But in private, say police, the

family had a dark secret. Before

dawn on Sunday, 17-year-old girl

escaped through from the south

through a window. She had taken a

deactivated mobile phone and used it

to call the police. Inside, officers

found her 12 brothers and sisters,

dirty and malnourished. Three were

shackled to their beds with chains

and padlocks. The home was dark and

foul smelling. Neighbours said the

Turpins were originally from West

Virginia. The father was an engineer

on a good salary but had twice

declared bankruptcy. Police say the

siblings were so small that they

were shocked to discover seven were

adults, the eldest 29. They are now

being treated in hospital.

I can

tell you they are very friendly.

They are very cooperative. And I

believe they are hopeful life will

get better for them.

As for David

and Louise Turpin, they are now

under arrest charged with torture

and child endangerment. Doctors say

they are determined to keep all 13

siblings out of the media spotlight.

They are focused on feeding them to

try to improve their physical

condition, and on offering them

psychological help as they try to

come to terms with their ordeal

inside this home will stop James

Cook,

Cook, BBC News, Perris in

California.

Hundreds of the most

vulnerable victims of crime

are being prevented from testifying

against their attackers,

because of a shortage of experts

to help them give evidence.

That's according to a report

from the victims' commissioner,

Baroness Newlove.

She's calling for extra support

and funding for registered

intermediaries who give a voice

in court to people who have

problems communicating.

One in eight people are working

in excess of 48 hours per work,

according to analysis

given exclusively to this

programme by the TUC.

The EU working time directive sets

a limit of 48 hours work a week,

although some jobs require staff

to sign an exemption.

The TUC says working long hours can

have a severe impact

on people's health.

And stay with us for a special

report on companies which are trying

out new approaches to improve

the work-life balance

for their staff.

The Bayeux Tapestry is set to be

displayed in Britain for the first

time since it was made

in the 11th century.

The French President Emmanuel Macron

is due to confirm the loan

when he meets Theresa May

at Sandhurst tomorrow.

It's not clear where or when

the artwork will be displayed,

and tests will need to be carried

out first to ensure it can be

moved without damage.

That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 9.30.

A message from a nurse who doesn't

give their name. I'm a registered

nurse who works in Wales. I left

after becoming disillusioned and

immoral liars. Increasing workloads

because of staff shortages and

underfunding played a big part in my

decision. I felt the environment I

worked in was unsafe because of a

lack of experienced nurses, and I

was unable to continue to give the

high standards of care I had

previously provided. If you are a

nurse considering leaving or has

recently left the profession, tell

us why.

Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning -

use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

and If you text, you will be charged

at the standard network rate.

There is also Facebook and e-mails.

Let's get some sport with Hugh.

An historic moment in English

football last night

football last night if you are a

quiz fan, pay attention.

Who scored the first goal in English

football history to be awarded by

VAR, the new video assistant

referee. The answer is Leicester

City's Kelechi Iheanacho. He scored

both goals in their 2- 0/3-round

replay win over League 1 side

Fleetwood town last night. His

second goal provided the slice of

history. Originally ruled out for

offside after Riyad Mahrez had

played him in. The video assistant

referee thought it was worth

checking on. It was the right

choice, the decision rightly

overturned, and it helped Leicester

City moving to the fourth round.

Historic moment at the King Power

Stadium. Joined by another Premier

League side, West Ham United, who

needed 120 minutes to get past

Shrewsbury town of League 1. Reece

Burke scoring his first West Ham

goal.

No real shocks in terms of results -

Cardiff, Sheffield Wednesday

and Reading from the Championship

all winners last night as well...

The tennis, Australian open in

Melbourne. What's the latest there?

Well I'm sure there's a little bit

of disappointment not to see

Andy Murray at the Australian Open

but so far British number 2

Kyle Edmund is making it look

like he's the former

Grand Slam winner.

He's reached round 3 for the

first time in Melbourne -

barely giving Denis Istomin a chance

with in the 6-2 6-2 6-4 victory

overnight to back up that win over

the number 11 seed in the opening

round and a good chance to go even

further, he'll take

on Georgia's Nikoloz Basilashvili.

He is joined by the 2009 champion -

Rafa Nadal who had a straight sets

victory of his own over

Argentina's Leonardo Mayer.

He reaches round 3 for the 12th

time in his career.

On the women's side of things,

Former World Number One Caroline

Wozniacki had an incredible three

set win against Jana Fett of Croatia

saving 2 match points and came back

from 5-1 down in the deciding set

to make it into round three.

But what about this for a story -

15 year old qualifier Marta Kostyuk

is the youngest player to reach

the third round at a Grand Slam

in more than 20 years.

The World Number 521 came past

Olivia Rogowska in straight sets

to face her fellow Ukranian -

the fourth seed Elina

Svitolina in the last 32.

And that's a fitting reward

for a fantastic performance so far,

we could be looking at a serious

star of the future.

Thank you, you. We are going to talk

about the NHS again today.

At a time when the NHS is under

extraordinary pressure,

with long waiting times

and cancelled operations,

it's perhaps no surprise that

thousands of nurses are choosing

to leave the profession.

Figures for England given to the BBC

show the numbers leaving outnumbered

new joiners by 3,000 last year.

The Government says action

is being taken to solve the shortage

and points to a big increase

in training places.

But the Royal College of Nursing

says many of those leaving

are demoralised and that

won't change without better

pay and conditions.

If you are a nurse continuing

leaving the profession or have

recently left, do let me know your

reasons why.

In a moment, we'll speak

to our correspondent

Dominic Hughes who is at

Birmingham's Children hospital.

But first, let's hear from a nurse

who felt she had no choice

Let's speak to our health

correspondent Dominic Hughes

at Birmingham Children's Hospital.

Hi, Dominik.

Yes, good morning. We

are in the clinical research

facility here at Birmingham

Children's Hospital where the aim is

to try to produce new drugs and

treatments to help sick children. We

are looking at the work of the UK's

meat right across the BBC today and

I'm delighted to say I am joined by

one of those nurses, Lucy Cooper.

Thank you for joining us. You are a

research advanced nurse

practitioner. That is a great job

title.

What does that mean? So,

working in the research facility

have allowed me to advance my

nursing skills whilst maintaining

patient focus, so I can undertake

advanced skills and still maintain

and look after patients.

What do you

actually do?

So, I bridge the gap

between the doctors and the nurses,

so supporting research nurses but

also taking on some doctors

responsibilities, undertaking

cannulation, blood sampling, and

other advanced nursing skills.

Quite

advanced stuff you are doing. What

is the ultimate aim here?

It is

generally to improve their health

and wealth of the whole of the

nation, and we're doing that by

seeing patients to not just locally

and nationally but internationally

as well here in this department.

And

I think you'll roll is quite unique?

Yes, to my knowledge, I am the only

one doing what I do in the whole of

the UK.

When you started out in the

NHS, did you envisage you would end

up in this job? It is quite

different to a standard nursing job.

Yes, I did, actually. When I bested

by training, my passion was -- when

I first started my training, my

passion was in research and that is

where I wanted my career to go. I

came here ten years ago when this

facility first opened and have

allowed me to advance my skills and

undertake new training.

How

important is it then that there are

opportunities like the one you

seized and some of the other nurses

we have heard from this morning who

have taken on those roles, how

important is it that those roles are

there to encourage people to stay in

the profession?

It is so important.

We are nurses, that is what we're

here for, we love the patient

contact. This role has allowed me to

take on my career and pursue a

higher level but also stay really

focus to being an nurse and that is

really important to me. Still see

the patients, give the reassuring

hand on a patient's shoulder, a

family 's shoulder, but also develop

my skills and give a strong research

role.

20 years ago, this role may

not have been there? You would have

had to go into management.

Yes, and

this is what is great, because I can

stay in nursing but advance my

career.

Do you think that is what

will help nurses coming into the

profession now to stay focused?

Absolutely. There are roles now

where you can stay really patient

focused.

Can you appreciate that

some younger nurses try it for a

couple of years and then then, this

isn't me? Because it a hard job.

It

is hard, the shift work, the patient

demands. It ever-changing, the

goalposts are always moving but we

like to think we are active do that

and that opportunities like this

will spur people to stay in the

profession and give them a goal to

work forward with a lifelong career

in nursing.

What do you think are

the qualities you need to make a go

of this career, because it is not

easy?

Within research, you have your

normal core skills that any generic

Naz has, but above that in research

you need meticulous skills are

maintaining patient safety, IT and

leadership skills that we ask of.

Lucy, thank you very much for

joining us and sharing your wisdom

that you have garnered over your

career as a nurse. We will be

looking at nurses across the UK

across BBC News today, so stay tuned

for that.

Thanks Dominic and Lucy.

Here with us now are two nurses

who have both spent twenty

years working in the NHS.

Joanne Szczyglowski -

who is considering giving

up her job.

And we have Rohit Sagoo,

who now teaches student nurses.

He's also the founder

of British Sikh Nurses.

You are considering leaving. Are you

going to?

Yes.

Why?

I started my

training in 1994. At that point, we

had Project 2004 nurses, we had our

bursary, we even had subsidised

living so I was living in the

nursing home surrounded by nurses

and it was amazing. I qualified in

1997 and went on to work in

haematology and intensive care. I

felt valued and I felt supported.

Over the years, as the pressures on

the NHS have got greater, that

support and that value has changed

for me. I have worked in many

different areas. I had a time where

I actually went into the corporate

world, but after awhile I realised

that I missed the hands-on nursing

and that's when I went back into the

NHS.

But when she missed that now?

I

think I will but what it is is that

I feel that the level of care I'm

giving has been compromised. I work

in a busy GP's surgery. We literally

have ten minutes to see patients and

now I feel that I'm not being true

to myself because, I'll give you an

example, recently I had a lady who

came in for a simple injection but I

had read her medical notes and I

knew that she was suffering from

cancer and it was terminal. I

literally had less than ten minutes

because of the pressures, so I knew

that I had to get this patient in

and out of my room. Now, how is that

being a health care professional,

caring for people?

And you had to do

that because you had a queue of

people presumably also waiting to

see you?

Yes, so I felt that I

wasn't being authentic, I wasn't

giving the care that that lady

needed and really, probably, she

just needed a little bit of a chat,

a little bit of time to talk, but

that's not something I was able to

offer her.

Let me

offer her.

Let me bring in Rohit.

First of all, how do you react that

a colleague of yours is leaving

after 20 years?

It's very sad to see

you leaving the profession. As a

nurse myself, I think it's great,

with a vast amount of nursing, as we

have seen, and it's a career, a

profession that is fast, and it's

really sad, it will be a loss to

nursing, just like many others who

leave.

And it's not just people like

Jalan who have left -- who are

leaving the profession, new student

nurses are leaving as well. You

train them. Why do you think it is?

The training is robust, so they are

prepared for the realities of the

NHS. When they go to their jobs and

they qualify as well, they are

relatively doing the jobs that they

were doing and most places, actually

their last placements that they

have, most wards take them on for a

permanent job within their last

training practice areas.

So why are

they going them?

They are

challenging times at the moment in

the NHS, I think we all know that.

It is busy, it is getting busier.

The ageing population, a lot more

people using the service as much as

possible.

Janine has e-mailed. I am

a highly experienced nurse

practitioner. I have just left the

profession after 38 years, I am

constantly being asked to return but

I feel exhausted. It is sad to say

my profession has deteriorated to

such an extent that I am ashamed of

what it stands for now and the

appalling care I am forced to give

due to lack of staff. You will know

the Department of Health says that

around only 12,000 more nurses are

now was -- our wards since May 20

ten. What would you say to that?

I

think it is evident that nurses like

myself are having to make the

decision and I myself have decided

that I am no longer going to put

myself through the stress and leave

work at the end of the day feeling

dissatisfied. So, I am probably one

of the lucky ones in the fact that

I've come up with a plan. So I

actually last year decided to

retrain and I picked a company

called Digital mums, who offer women

like me, mothers, the opportunity to

retrain, so I've retrained in social

media marketing and this new role is

going to offer me the flexibility,

it's going to offer me the worklife

balance that I need now.

A subject

that we are covering in the next

half-hour. Rohit 12,000 more nurses

are now wards since 2010?

That says

a lot in terms of it and what we

need to think about, I know we have

seen figures about nurses leaving

the profession, but what we need to

think about is retention. How do we

retain those 12,000?

How do we do

it?

Strategically, we need to

explore opportunities for enhancing

our training, just as we hassle with

Lucy. Das just as we saw with Lucy.

That's what we need to concentrate

on and that is what the government

needs to concentrate on as well.

Both of you, thank you very much

indeed. If you are considering or

have recently left the profession,

do let me know why.

Still to come.

As police in California release more

details about the 13 siblings

imprisoned in their home,

we'll speak to a woman who was held

captive as a 13-year-old

about how she recovered

from the horrific experience.

Would you be more productive

if you worked less?

We meet the UK companies who say

business is booming since they gave

staff more time off.

Time for the latest

news - here's Annita.

NHS figures show 3000 more nurses

left the health service in England

last year than joined. In each of

the past three years more than 10%

of the nursing workforce left. The

government insists there are more

nurses than 2010 and two measures

are being taken to retain

experienced staff.

Documents seen by the BBC show

the services and construction giant

Carillion, was left with just

£29 million in cash when it

collapsed on Monday -

but owed more than £1.3 billion

to its banks.

The figures are from a witness

statement to the insolvency court

The revelations will worry

businesses owed money by Carillion,

which is one of the biggest public

sector contractors in the UK.

Snow and ice have caused problems

on roads across Scotland,

Northern Ireland and Northern

England.

The main motorway between Scotland

and England - the M74 -

was closed in parts because of snow

and some drivers already on the road

were stuck overnight.

It's since re-opened.

A Conservative MP has apologised

for a blog post he wrote in 2012,

suggesting that unemployed people

on benefits should have vasectomies

if they couldn't afford

to have more children.

Ben Bradley, who's 28,

was made Conservative vice chairman

for youth in Theresa May's

reshuffle last week.

The Home and Away actress

Jessica Falkholt has died

from injuries she suffered in a car

crash three weeks ago.

The 29-year-old actress

played Hope Morrison

in the Australian series.

The accident in New South Wales

on Boxing Day had already

killed her parents, sister

and the other driver.

The Bayeux Tapestry is set to be

displayed in Britain for the first

time since it was made

in the 11th century.

The French President Emmanuel Macron

is due to confirm the loan

when he meets Theresa May

at Sandhurst tomorrow.

It's not clear where or when

the artwork will be displayed,

and tests will need to be carried

out to ensure it can be

moved without damage.

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

Here's some sport now.

There was a piece of footballing

history last night as the VAR system

was responsible for awarding a goal

for the first time.

It came in Leicester City's 2-0 win

over Fleetwood Town in their FA

Cup third round replay.

Reece Burke scored his

first West Ham goal.

But they needed extra time to get

past League 1 side Shrewsbury town.

Reading, Cardiff and Sheffield

Wednesday are also through to round

four.

At the Australian Open tennis

there's been another good win

for British number 2 Kyle Edmund.

He cruised past Denis Istomin

in straight sets to reach

the Third Round for the first time.

But the win of the day went to 15

year old Marta Kostyuk -

she's the youngest player to reach

the third round at a Grand Slam

in more than 20 years after coming

past Olivia Rogowska

Each morning at this time we bring

you up to date on the latest

in the trial of former football

coach Barry Bennell.

The court heard yesterday

he was treated as "a God" on visits

to Manchester City's ground,

according to one of

his alleged victims.

Our reporter Jim Reed has

been following the trial

at Liverpool Crown Court.

He's here now.

Yes, this is the trial

of Barry Bennell, a former youth

football coach linked to clubs

including Manchester City

and Crewe Alexandra.

He's charged with a total of 48

counts of historic abuse

between 1979 and 1991,

cahrges which he denies.

between 1979 and 1991,

charges which he denies.

He's appearing in court by video

link because of ill health.

Yesterday was day five of the trial.

The jury heard from an alleged

victim in the case -

a man now in his 40s who gave

evidence anonymously

from behind a screen.

He said he was spotted

by Barry Bennell playing

for his school team,

then taken to Man City's training

ground and to the club's then home

ground at Maine Road.

He told the jury: "I thought 'this

is it, I've made my dream,

I'm going to be a footballer',

as everybody wants to at that age."

And what did the court hear

about Bennell's links

with Manchester City itself?

Well, the alleged victim

did talk about that.

He said that Bennell was treated -

as he put it - as a God

by everyone from security up

to senior members

of staff at the club.

Later, he said he was invited

to Mr Bennell's home.

And he says he was abused

there as well as in Mr Bennell's car

and on a trip to North Wales.

He told the jury: "I knew

it was wrong but I also knew you had

to keep Barry happy."

Because of the abuse,

he claimed he started making excuses

to miss training and matches around

this time and went "off

the rails" as he put it.

And what happened under

cross examination?

Well, he was asked by Eleanor Laws

QC, who is representing Mr Bennell,

whether he had discussed any

compensation for the abuse.

He said, "You keep talking

to me about money.

I'm not here for money,

I'm here for closure and justice."

Earlier in the day, the court

was read a transcript of a police

interview given by Mr Bennell

in which he described grooming

another alleged victim.

He said, "I got friendly

with him so he'd trust me,

it was my usual procedure."

But when officers told him

about the precise allegations

made by that person,

he described him as an "absolute

liar" who was "jumping

on the bandwagon."

As I said earlier, Mr Bennell

denies 48 counts of abuse.

The trial continues this morning.

Thank you very much.

Analysis given exclusively to this

programme by the workers union

the TUC has found 1 in 8 of us

are working in excess of 48 hours

a week, something they warn can

have a severe impact on our health.

Cutting our hours would be good

for us, but could it also be good

for the companies we work for?

Our reporter Michael Cowan has been

to meet the firms pioneering

new approaches to improve

the work-life balance.

Over 32 million of us

are employed in Britain.

One in eight work more

than 48 hours a week.

But compared to our

European neighbours,

we're not very productive.

Workers in Germany, for example,

can actually stop working

on the Thursday and yet

still produce more than we do.

Some companies think the answer

to greater productivity

lies in working less.

We managed to work so efficiently

that we can be as profitable in four

days as we could be in five.

I don't ever foresee us moving

back to a five-day week.

Other businesses are about to follow

suit, in a bid to achieve balance.

I think there's a risk

involved for me.

I mean, this isn't a job for me.

This is everything.

It's the perennial question

of modern Britain - how do

we achieve a work-life balance?

Eight hours labour, eight hours

recreation and eight hours rest.

That was the ethos of industrialist

Robert Owen in 1817.

And for much of the last two

centuries, we haven't

deviated from his vision.

But for many, the work-life balance

has become a little bit unbalanced.

But some companies are drastically

changing the way we work.

We start in London, at a design

company called Normally.

It was founded by Marei,

Tim, Chris and Mark,

who believe a four-day week

is the key to their

company's success.

We've observed that lots of people

wait for their whole life for that

big moment when they retire.

But we've seen that in a few cases,

that never happens,

because you get ill,

or you, you know,

you're older by then.

You're not as agile.

You don't have the energy to really

appreciate that time any more.

Maybe we can just flip that round.

Maybe we can just take that time

and move it forward,

and give it back to ourselves

and our employees.

So that's when we decided, we're

going to go for a four-day week.

Do you keep to just four days,

or do you ever send a few sneaky

e-mails on the fifth day?

It's not seen as a positive.

Anything that happens

outside of you being

physically in the studio

is usually frowned upon.

And if I see that happen regularly,

I know this person is up doing

stuff, I get worried.

I think, there's something wrong

there, and so we should

have a conversation.

Some of the superheroes of our time,

they're the guys who say,

I work 90 hours, 100

hours, 120 hours.

So people think...

They read those figures

and they say, that's what's

going to make me successful.

I'm going to do the same and then

I'm going to be Elon Musk,

or I'm going to be, you know,

I'm going to have the

Facebook of the future.

But that's not true.

Do your employees get

paid the same amount

as if they were working

a five-day week?

Yes.

They get paid above

market rate, actually,

which we're really proud of.

And it's all because we manage

to work so efficiently that we can

be as profitable in the four days

as we could be in five.

This is Basil.

He's been at the company

for two-and-a-half years.

One of the things that

everyone, before they join,

is concerned about is,

are you squeezing five days' amount

of stress into four days?

Like, does everything

actually push out?

For whatever reason,

we've managed to...

Like, that just doesn't happen here.

So occasionally, there is a late

one, but I think I can

probably count two or three

in the two-and-a-half years

that I've been here.

Do you ever find yourself

inadvertently taking the odd call

or sending the odd e-mail

on that fifth day?

The funny thing is,

there's like a, a social...

Pressure's not quite the right word,

but encouragement to make sure that

you use that fifth day for yourself

and not to do work.

Like, you're not going to get

brownie points for replying

to e-mails on the fifth day.

But on a larger scale,

are there any economic benefits?

Do longer working hours lead

to greater productivity?

In the UK, we have a bit of a puzzle

when it comes to our productivity.

Workers in Germany, for example,

can actually stop working

on a Thursday and yet still produce

more than we do.

So therefore, greater and longer

working hours doesn't necessarily

mean that we're more productive.

Especially when it negatively

impacts our health and our

ability to do our job.

Do initiatives like the four-day

week, or the six-hour day,

impact on our economy?

Cutting our working hours isn't

going to be a simple solution,

because it's about looking

at the employee

well-being as a whole.

So, how are we looking

after our employees?

Are we also offering

lifestyle benefits?

Are we harnessing modern technology,

to be able to offer greater

flexibility, as well as making sure

that people still deliver?

Because that's what's going to drive

corporate profits and, therefore,

economic growth more broadly.

Edinburgh is home to over 3,000

restaurants and cafes,

and one of the city's most popular

is about to make a major shift

to the way they work.

Stuart is the chef behind Aizle.

He trained under Gordon Ramsay

in New York and, this year,

his restaurant is going from five

days a week to four.

So we've decided to close

the restaurant one day

a week more than we did.

So now, we're only open for four

days, four operational days.

And we extended the opening times

a little bit to try and cover that.

You know, selfishly,

I want to spend more time at home.

You know, I need to have that

time with my family now.

And I also want it for my staff.

Is that selfish?

Should we not be prioritising

our life over work?

We definitely shouldn't see it

as selfish, but that's how it feels

when you're used to working

a certain way, I think.

I think if it doesn't work,

you know, the immediate

response would be, OK,

potentially, we can go back

to opening some days

within the higher season points.

The Festival times,

the Christmas times.

We can go back up to five days then

and see if that works.

And long-term, if it doesn't work,

then the restaurant was never

sustainable enough anyway.

Jade is the restaurant's manager.

How did you first react

when you were told you were going

from a five-day week

to a four-day week?

Overjoyed.

It's a huge benefit to our actual

social life to be able to have

some extra time off.

I mean, you're the restaurant

manager and it's essentially losing

20% of the profits from the business

because you're taking

away 20% of the hours.

That must concern you on some level?

Totally.

It's such a stupid move, so stupid.

It's the worst thing that

a business could do.

We spent a whole year trying

to take that same revenue

and trying, in some way,

to have a better life balance.

Like, Stuart's son's two

and a half, and he's had three

services off in four years.

That's crazy.

Do you think it's going to work?

I think it will either

crash and burn very

quickly or totally work.

And I think we'll know

in the first month.

But one size doesn't fit all.

This is Agent Marketing,

in Liverpool.

They have a company dog,

and bikes to ride to meetings on.

And two years ago,

they trialled a six-hour day.

We have that opportunity

and the flexibility to be able

to try a new initiative.

So we'd seen about a company

in Sweden that were trialling it,

and various other companies,

and we thought, do you know what,

why not give it a go?

It didn't quite work

for your business.

It didn't quite work

for your clients.

Why do you think that was?

We always said that

when we did the trial,

the most important thing was,

obviously, that client

work would not suffer.

We'd always meet deadlines.

And if we had to sacrifice

a six-hour working day some

days to meet deadlines,

we would do that.

So how we do it now is,

we have two shorter days.

So we finish...

We do a six-hour day on a Friday,

and then one day in the week -

based on deadlines and workload -

a team member can

finish at four o'clock.

So they can do an early.

So essentially, we're gaining

three-and-a-half hours per week.

Research has shown that a poor

work-life balance can severely

impact on our health,

and one of the main ways this can

manifest is on our mental health.

How big of a problem is a poor

work-life balance in Britain?

We know that poor work-life balance

can lead to poor mental

health in the workplace.

And we know that poor mental health

in the workplace is costing the UK

economy up to £100 billion a year.

What does work-related stress do

to our mental health?

So what that can look

like in an employee is,

somebody that's extremely stressed,

somebody that's unable

to concentrate, somebody

who might not be as motivated

as they usually are,

and somebody who is actually

working very long hours,

but not actually

being very productive.

Over a year ago, a marketing firm

in Glasgow thought they'd

trial a four-day week.

The results surprised them

because not only did working less

maximise productivity,

it also boosted profits.

Lorraine is one of the executives

behind Pursuit Marketing.

They employ over a hundred staff

and work a four-day week.

When did you decide to move

to a four-day week?

We ran a trial of different kind

of flexible working patterns

and in the three months that we ran

that programme, the people

working the four-day week

were the most productive,

happier in their role and really

reporting great things

about the time they were getting

at home with their family.

From the business perspective,

what are the benefits?

When our staff are in the office,

they're far more productive.

They're focused on

what they need to do.

And they want to enjoy that

three-day weekend every weekend

and not be worried about work.

So productivity increased

initially by about 38%.

And over the last year or so, it's

settled down to about 30% overall.

Our business has grown

substantially, so we entered 2017

on 2.2 million turnover.

We're about to enter 2018

in a 5-million turnover year and,

what's more, internationally,

so it's been an exciting

thing for us.

How much do you think that success

is due to the flexible working

initiatives you have?

It's a huge factor because

the culture in the workplace

drives better results,

better performance,

a happier workforce.

So our retention rates are really

high and we can attract the best

talent to our teams.

And our clients can invest

in training these people,

knowing they'll be here in the long

term and they're not

going to disappear.

So, we work with the world's largest

IT companies and they choose

us over other agencies

because of the culture and how

well we treat our staff.

Do you pay your staff a full-time

salary for working four days?

Yes.

So, our salaries, basic salaries,

are around 25-28 K per annum.

On target to 45-50 K.

When we launched the four-day week,

we actually increased our basic

salaries for some, but their working

hours were reduced to four days.

Do you envisage a time

where you would revert

back to a five-day week?

Definitely not.

I think in terms of the exceptional

productivity results we've got,

how happy our staff are,

our staff retention rates,

our clients have all bought into it

now and they're trialling it

themselves in some areas,

so I don't ever foresee us moving

back to a five-day week.

All the businesses we met had

one thing in common -

they weren't afraid to experiment.

And whether they were successful

or not, their sheer willingness

to try new things is what's

going to drive forward innovation,

and that will create a better

work-life balance for workers

across the country.

Thank you for your messages on this.

This you said I am a dairy farmer

working 94 hours a week. I have a

young son that I hardly see. Another

viewers as I work in tech. I was

working a 12 hour day. I decided to

leave, setup own IT recruitment

company from home and the rest as

they say is history. I am more

productive, more able to focus on

fitness, I am enjoying family life

more and not stressed out. Mark says

people and their teams need to work

smarter but this only happens with

decent management. Every company I

have worked for has operated

chaotically with weak management. Do

let me know if you have managed to

find some worklife balance? If you

are a boss, what have you brought in

to make sure people aren't stressed

out and working productively?

out and working productively? We are

going to get the latest from

California now on the parents who

were allegedly holding their 13th

children captive.

Police in California have praised

the bravery of the 17-year-old girl

who escaped from the home

where she and her 12 siblings

were allegedly being held

captive by their parents.

The brothers and sisters -

aged between 2 and 29 -

are now being cared

for while their parents,

David and Louise Turpin,

are facing charges of torture.

Louise Turpin's aunt has been

speaking of her reaction

to the allegations.

Never been so shocked in my life.

It broke my heart.

It broke all of our hearts.

I just pray that they take care

of the kids,

and I hope they prosecute them

to the fullest extent of the law,

even if she is my niece.

Because them kids don't deserve it.

Is it possible to recover

from such an ordeal?

We're going to talk now

to Alicia Kozakiewicz in New York,

who was held captive

when she was 13 years old

and raped, beaten and

tortured for four days.

She now runs the Alicia Project,

to raise awareness of child sexual

exploitation and abduction;

Professor Peter Ayton,

a professor of psychology

at City University London;

and in northern California

is Dr Rebecca Bailey,

a therapist who worked

with Jaycee Dugard after her release

from 18 years in captivity.

Thank you very much for talking to

us, particularly given the time

where you are in the States. Alicia,

as I said, you were 13 when you were

abducted. Tell our British audience

have that experience changed your

life.

Well, it changes everything.

It takes the familiar into the

unfamiliar. There's the horrific

event and then there's the aftermath

and the healing, which is difficult.

It's not impossible, but it's

difficult and it takes time.

Can you

give us some insight, Alicia, into

how you began the process of

recovery?

Like I said, it does take

time and it's different for

everybody. And time is a big factor,

time really does help. But what's

really important is to find

something that gives you a moment of

peace and a moment of joy, be it art

or photography or writing poems or

whatever it may be, and of course,

to seek help, to seek therapeutic

services. But to do it in your way,

in your time. There is no timeline

in this.

Rebecca Bailey, as I said,

you worked with Jaycee do guard,

kidnapped at the age of 11 and kept

as a hostage for 18 years,

eventually, in a couple's back

garden will stop -- essentially, in

a couple's back garden. So you will

have some insight into this.

I think

it's very important that we

understand that everybody goes

through this in their own time.

Immediately, you will have different

people with different responses and

a great deal of shock. It's

extremely important that people

understand the shocking nature of

coming out of being sequestered into

the greater world. We do have some

thought, and I have not met these

people directly, that if they have

been out and about -- that they have

been out and about, there are

pictures in a chapel in Las Vegas,

so they haven't been completely cut

off, but regardless, they have been

living in an extremely intense,

horrible situation from everything

we hear. The immediate challenge is

their physical nutrition and their

physical well-being from everything

I am hearing and seeing.

Let me

bring in Peter Ayton. Rebecca talked

about the images we have seen when

the children were in Las Vegas, as

the parents apparently renewed their

wedding vows. Pictures of them at

Disneyland in red T-shirts. All

smiling, of course, in contrast to

what was going on in reality.

So, I

don't think we would have seen those

images have they not been smiling.

There are all sorts of questions

that arise and we don't know almost

any of the facts here, about the

extent to which they were able to

behave as they actually felt. To the

point where they were rescued,

several of them were obviously being

coerced, if they are chained up.

So

you mean those photos were chosen

carefully and specifically to

portray an image potentially?

Well,

I know none of the facts, let me be

quite clear about that. I don't

think anyone knows much yet about

what actually happened but that

image is very provocative because it

suggested some way that the children

were well balanced and living in a

happy environment and so on. I mean,

I wouldn't trust that at all. But

the way it informs the story, the

way that I think some journalists

will react, I am waiting to read the

accounts of the stockholder syndrome

and how people are complicit with

their captors and even in some way

encourage and induce their captors

to treat them as they do. You know,

Stockholm syndrome is very much a

journalistic mean. It doesn't have

any

any psychiatric definition, I know

defence counsel are keen on using it

in some cases over the years, but

it's clear to me that there is a

very big question mark over the

extent in which these and others

mentioned in the same breath were

able to express themselves freely.

They were living under extreme

coercion.

Alicia, coming back to you

for a moment, how do you reflect on

what happened to you as a

13-year-old now?

Well, I guess that

it certainly changed my life in so

many ways and it has been a very

long, hard road to recovery and

thereafter or good days and there

are still bad days -- there are

still good days and there are still

bad days. And that's OK. It's OK

years and years later to instil

experience pain from what you

experienced when you are younger.

Rebecca, you worked as I said with

Jay-Z -- with Jaycee Dugard. How

would it differ with a large group

of siblings?

I think early on,

getting a read on each individual

person. I am going to echo the fact

that there are facts we do not know.

For example, are we sure they are

raw blood siblings? I can't know

that for sure and I can't imagine

that we would be able to say that

definitively at this stage. What we

do know is that we have a group of

closely connected people, very

likely that they are genetically

connected. They are all going to

have different reactions and

different needs and so the pace of

the work has to go at each

individual person. Also, 100%

hallelujah about the stockholder. --

at the Stockholm syndrome comments.

I have never worked with anyone who

has been quite an quake in love with

their captors.

It it possible to

recover from this and live a happy,

fulfilled life in the future?

As you

might imagine, it's difficult to do

research on all these kinds of cases

which have different and

idiosyncratic features, but there is

research about how people have

adapted to being kept in captivity

and conditions of extreme cruelty.

Notably, a lot of research on

survivors of the Holocaust and

whilst there are, you know, there is

no way of denying that there are

negative symptoms that people often

carry with them for many years after

these events, really, the story that

I think should be given more

attention is the resilience that

people show in adapting. So many

people actually who often are not

picked up in the more journalistic

explanations of these things

actually live very successful lives.

There are, of course, questions

about can they develop successful

relationships which involve trust

and their one and there is evidence

that people can have difficulties

with this but it's a mixed picture.

What ought to be optimised --

emphasised more, in some ways, is

the optimistic fact that given time,

as we heard earlier, people are able

to make very successful transitions

into so-called normal, happy and

healthy lives.

Thank you, thank you

all very much. We really appreciate

you coming onto the programme and

talking to our British audience,

Alicia, Rebecca and Peter.

Coming up.

After 10am, we hear from a business

trying to improve their staff's

life-work balance -

as well as a woman who worked 90

hours a week when she started

working for herself.

The latest news and sport on the

way. Before that, all the weather.

The latest news and sport on the

way. Before that, all the weather.

We saw a lot of snow last night. We

currently have 38 centimetres in

places in Dumfries and Galloway.

That is going on for 15 inches and

not too far-away from the M74 where

we saw

we saw all the problems. You can see

sheltered areas have much lower

depths of snow. In Northern Ireland,

where the hills are not as high, you

can see 20 centimetres and ten

centimetres, a more even

distribution. Although of course I

acknowledge that that is twice as

much. What we have this morning is

some snow around and also some eyes.

The snow is still falling but it has

lost its intensity and also it is

not as widespread as it was earlier.

The other thing is the wind will

ease down a touch compared to

earlier but still we will have snow

showers and it still will be windy.

South of the snow showers, showers

will tend to be rain and somewhere

and we may see Hale and sleet. In

between, we will see some sunshine.

It's the same in Northern Ireland.

Some showers, some bright spots,

some of them wintry especially with

height, and for Northern England,

the showers not as prolific this

morning. There will be some around

which will still be wintry. Some of

us getting away with a dry day, as

is their nature with showers. East

Anglia, the Midlands, Kent,

Hampshire into Wales and the

south-west, a lot of dry weather and

sunshine, but big waves crashing on

shore in the West. Then the next

system comes our way, a deep area of

low pressure. I have stopped this

chart that 8pm this evening to show

you what is happening. There is a

lot of rain coming our way, some

heavy rain, we will see snow in

places in the hills of Wales and

Northern Ireland. As this rain

pushes through, I will run the chart

to buy they tomorrow, you can see

further heavy snow across northern

England, also through southern and

possibly Central Scotland. At the

same time, heavy rain moves across

Northern Ireland, Wales and all of

England away from where we have the

snow. It will be driven on by gale

force winds. You will have a period

of about three hours of heavy rain.

The wind in and will be gusting 40,

50 mph. Around the coast, we are

looking at wind strength of up to 70

mph. Again, there is the risk of

ice, and this time tomorrow morning,

we will still have some of that low

pressure affecting Eastham parts of

the UK with snow and rain. It will

clear quickly and by mid-morning it

will be in Germany. With that

combination, we are looking at

further likely travel disruption. We

had severe gales, heavy rain and

snow as well. But look how quickly

it clears. It pushes off into the

North Sea, the strongest winds go

with it, they hide it we have a

mixture of showers and sunshine and

once again, it will feel cool.

Thank you very much.

Hello.

It's Wednesday, it's 10 o'clock,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

Tens of thousands of nurses

are leaving the NHS in England every

year, piling pressure

on over-stretched wards

When I graduated, I was so excited,

I really wanted to do a job

where I could make a difference.

And to help people.

But I've found that things have got

more and more stressful and we've

been under more and more pressure.

The Royal College of Nursing says

pay and training need to improve.

Heidi tells us she is a midwife of

four years and actively looking for

a new job.

There's a warning that numerous

children and vulnerable witnesses

are being denied proper justice

in England and Wales,

because there aren't enough

specially-trained intermediaries

to guide them through the process

of giving evidence in court.

We will bring you the story. Would

you be more productive if you worked

less? Companies who say businesses

booming since they gave staff more

time off.

Workers in Germany can

stop working on the Thursday and yet

still produce more than we do. So

dapper, greater and longer working

hours does not necessarily mean we

are more productive, especially when

it affects our health and ability to

do our job.

Tell us about your

phone, there is the right work-life

balance that allows you to be more

productive. Let me know.

And the Bayeux Tapestry is set to be

displayed in Britain for the first

time since it was made in the 11th

Century.

We will talk to a man from the

British Museum who is really,

really, really excited about this.

Here's Annita, in the BBC Newsroom,

with a summary of today's news.

Thank you, good morning.

NHS figures show that 3,000 more

nurses left the health service

in England last year than joined.

In each of the past three

years, more than 10%

of the nursing workforce left.

The Government insists

there are more nurses than in 2010,

and that measures are being taken

to retain experienced staff.

One nurse told Victoria why she was

planning -- planning to give up the

career she used to look.

I feel that

the level of care that I am giving

has been compromised. I work in a

busy GP surgery, we literally have

ten minutes to see patients. And now

I feel that I am not being treated

myself. -- true to myself.

Documents seen by the BBC show

the services and construction giant

Carillion was left with just

£29 million in cash when it

collapsed on Monday,

but owed more than £1.3 billion

to its banks.

The figures are shown in a company

statement to the insolvency court.

The revelations will worry

businesses owed money by Carillion,

one of the biggest public-sector

contractors in the UK.

Snow and ice have caused problems

on roads across Scotland,

Northern Ireland and Northern

England.

The main motorway between Scotland

and England - the M74 -

was closed in parts because of snow,

and some drivers already on the road

were stuck overnight.

It's since re-opened.

The Government's appointed

a Minister for Loneliness,

as part of a project championed

by the murdered MP Jo Cox.

Tracey Crouch, who's

Civil Society Minister,

will take on the role,

to find ways of combating

the isolation felt by millions

of people across the UK.

A Conservative MP has apologised

for a blog post he wrote in 2012,

suggesting that unemployed people

on benefits should have vasectomies

if they couldn't afford

to have more children.

Ben Bradley, who's 28,

was made Conservative Vice-Chairman

for Youth in Theresa May's

reshuffle last week.

The High Court is to hear a legal

challenge against the Home Office,

brought on behalf of women

who were once involved

in prostitution.

They'll argue it's unlawful

for details of their convictions

for soliciting to be stored

and disclosed to potential

future employers.

The Home and Away actress

Jessica Falkholt has died

from injuries she suffered in a car

crash three weeks ago.

The 29-year-old actress

played Hope Morrison

in the Australian series.

The accident, in New South Wales

on Boxing Day, had already

killed her parents, sister

and another driver.