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Hello it's Thursday, it's 9am,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

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welcome to the programme.

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An extra £44.5 million

for border controls in France.

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That's what Theresa May will promise

to pay at a meeting today with

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French President Emmanuel Macron.

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More cash flow Calais, but is that

because Mrs May needs president

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Macron's backing for a Brexit deal?

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Does this mean an end to migrants

camping out at Calais trying

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to get here to the UK?

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We'll find out.

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Parts of the UK are being battered

by strong winds and snow.

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We'll have the latest on the

disruption to roads and schools.

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And England's top prosecutors meet,

to talk about the collapse

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of a number of recent rape trials.

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One defendant told us

how his life had been ruined,

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because evidence which cleared him

was not disclosed earlier.

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The last two years, I've

just spent worrying,

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so it has ripped apart

my personal life.

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We'll speak to the lawyer of man

who's rape trail collapsed this week

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after photos emerged

of the complainant cuddling

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the defendant in bed.

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Hello.

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It is Thursday already.

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Welcome to the programme,

we're live until 11am this morning.

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We're also talking about breast

cancer screening this

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morning after researchers in London

suggested all women should be

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tested for the so-called

"Angelina Jolie gene"

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mutations to the BCRA gene.

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For all women over the age of 30.

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If you carry of the faulty gene,

or you've been tested for it,

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we'd love to hear from

you this morning.

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Irrespective of your age. What kind

of information did you get from the

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screening? How has it impacted on

your behaviour? What have you done

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about it?

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Do get in touch on all the stories

we're talking about this morning -

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use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

and if you text, you will be charged

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at the standard network rate.

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Our top story today, Britain

is to increase its contribution

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towards border controls in France

by 44-and-a-half million pounds,

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and commit to taking more migrants.

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The money will be spent on fencing,

security cameras and body scanners

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at Calais and other Channel ports.

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The deal will be announced

at a UK-French summit this

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afternoon, at which Theresa May

will conclude a series of agreements

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with President Emmanuel Macron.

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Their meeting is being seen

as the most important

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for several years, as our

Diplomatic Correspondent,

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James Robbins, reports.

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This summit is very deliberately

being held at Sandhurst, Britain's

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military academy for officer cadets.

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The venue underlines the fact that

Britain and France are the key

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military powers in Europe,

used to working together and today,

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committing to greater cooperation.

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Even if the background to all

of this, of course, is Brexit.

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And in other ways,

Britain and France are

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heading in very

different directions.

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Under pressure from President

Macron, Theresa May will

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take on some migrants stuck

in Calais and desperate to cross the

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Channel.

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So, expect more unaccompanied

children to be allowed

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into Britain as well as adults

who successfully argue that their

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admission will reunify families.

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But the longer-term deals

will focus on defence.

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Britain is sending

three British Chinook

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helicopters to Mali,

they're large troop

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carrying aircraft which

the

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French badly lack in their fight

against Islamists.

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So, Britain will

broaden its military

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involvement in Africa

without committing troops.

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In return, France will back-up

British forces in the

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Baltic states of Estonia.

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There, confronting

the potential Russian threat.

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James Robbins, BBC News.

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In a moment we'll get the thoughts

of our political guru Norman Smith

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but first our correspondent

Hugh Schofield is in Paris.

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How much is this to do with Brexit?

It has and it hasn't. The French are

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quite clear that there is Brexit and

there is the bilateral relationship.

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And near the twain shall meet. At

this meeting today, it's clear that

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on the face of it it is dominated by

things related to the bilateral

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relationship. Calais is a

bilateral... The agreement which is

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all about the border controls, that

is a two-way outside the EU

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agreement in France and Britain.

Security and defence. The extremely

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important part of this meeting as

all summits, it is not part of the

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EU. Lots to talk about. Both

countries have an interest in seeing

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the bilateral relationship, which

predated the EU and will outlast the

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EU, is still very much on track.

There's no way you can say that

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these talks will contain, you give

us a bit on Calais and we will be

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kinder on passport rights for

British banks. That's not the way it

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works. But in the background, of

course, there is the whole Brexit

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debate. And the wrangling, which

will go on for another two or three

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years over that. Indirectly, the

relationship which is forged three

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meetings like this and the bilateral

relationship, will have an impact on

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the longer and more arduous Brexit

talks.

-- forged through meetings.

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Norman, how important is today's

meeting with Theresa May?

It's

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important, not just because of

keeping the deal on Calais, which,

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you know, British politicians view

as an unbelievably good deal.

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Because, basically, it means our

border controls are not at Dover,

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they are on French soil in Calais.

From the British perspective, we are

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desperate to keep that deal. Many

British politicians have always been

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quite amazed that the French have

been prepared to stick by it. An

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extra 44 million quid? Yeah, we will

pay that, that's fine. The other

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part of this meeting, which is

crucial, the personal dynamic

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between Theresa May and President

Macron. The lunch when the two sit

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down together is absolutely pivotal,

not necessarily because there will

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be any particular deal on Brexit,

but because of how they get on. It

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is quite clear from the British

government's perspective that they

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think the best route to getting a

good deal on Brexit is to bypass the

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European Commission and get

individual countries sympathetic

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on-board with Britain. Which is why

we saw David Davis and Philip

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Hammond going over to Germany just

the other week to smooth and the

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Germans. Mrs May will hope to strike

up a friendly and convivial

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relationship with President Macron,

hoping that cometh the hour, he will

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adopt a more sympathetic approach to

Britain when it comes to those

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crucial Brexit trade negotiations.

Thank you. More on that throughout

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the morning. Let's have the rest of

the morning's news.

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Annita is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary

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of the rest of the days news.

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Taxpayers owe private

companies £199 billion

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for schemes set up under

Private Finance Initiatives,

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according to the government's

spending watchdog.

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The National Audit office found 716

deals were currently

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operational under PFI

and its successor, PF2,

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with annual costs amounting

to more than £10 billion.

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The government says both schemes

improved public services.

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The report was written before

the collapse of Carillion,

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which held a number of contracts,

including some under PFI schemes.

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Heavy snow fall is continuing

to cause problems in parts

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of Scotland and northern England,

with drivers warned to proceed

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with "extreme caution"

while on the roads.

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While travel warnings have been

downgraded police say

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there is still the likelihood

of disruption and delays.

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Elsewhere, severe gales

and heavy rain are affecting

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other parts of the UK.

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Some areas reported gusts of up

to 70 miles per hour.

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More than 10,000 homes have been

left without power in Essex.

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There are calls for all women over

the age of 30 to be screened

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for a faulty gene linked to higher

rates of breast and ovarian cancer.

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Research by the Barts Cancer

Institute in London found testing

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would prevent thousands of cancers,

and be cost-effective for the NHS.

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It's emerged that residents

of a privately-owned tower

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block in south London

with the same cladding

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as Grenfell Tower may be forced

to pay up to £2 million

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for replacement panels.

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The company, which manages

Citiscape in Croydon,

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which failed a fire safety test

following the disaster,

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said it was "committed

to minimising" costs.

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It will take the case to a property

tribunal next month,

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to determine who should

foot the bill.

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Scotland Yard says it's

investigating a third complaint

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of sexual assault against the actor,

Kevin Spacey.

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The allegation relates

to an incident

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in Westminster in 2005.

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Kevin Spacey, who has not been

charged with any offences, has

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denied previous claims against him.

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Patient safety in Accident

and Emergency Units in Wales

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is being compromised

to an "unacceptable degree"

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according to hospital consultants.

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A group of 46 doctors is warning

of the risks in a letter sent

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to the First Minister,

which has been seen by BBC News.

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Our Wales Correspondent

Sian Lloyd reports.

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We have heard warnings of emergency

units in other parts of the UK

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being at breaking point and this

time it's the turn of doctors

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in Wales to speak out.

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The group of consultants who have

written to the Welsh First Minister

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believe the situation

here is the worst it has ever been.

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This is hugely concerning.

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We are seeing staff members,

that are coming into work,

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the staff are the glue that holds

the NHS together, the staff

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are coming in, doing their shifts

and sometimes going home in tears.

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We have patients in

the department where we don't

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have space to see them.

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We come back the next day and some

of the patients are still here.

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The monthly performance

figures for Wales will be

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published later this morning.

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But in this letter, consultants warn

the First Minister that the four

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hour target times for Wales' best

performing hospitals are similar

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to those from some of

the worst-performing

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hospitals in England.

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It acknowledges efforts have been

made to plan for winter

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pressures, including more investment

but says it's simply not enough.

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Patient safety is being compromised,

the doctors say, and the letter

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calls for a significant

increase in funding.

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Those in charge of the NHS

in Wales say it has been

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a very challenging winter

with demand exceeding expectations.

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They believe there are signs that

things are improving.

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The European Court of Human

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Rights is due to rule in the case of

100 leading athletes challenging a

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requirement for them to advise

anti-doping officials of their

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whereabouts at all times. The group

claims the regime violates their

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privacy and is contrary to their

freedom of movement. If the case

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succeeds, the world anti-doping

agency would face a crisis, as it

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can't appeal against the ruling.

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A survey by an educational charity

suggests some parents are subsiding

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a childcare scheme for three

and four year olds in England,

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which the government says is free.

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Since September, parents working

more than 16 hours a week have been

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able to claim 30 hours

of free childcare.

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But the majority of nursery

providers say they're struggling

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to cover their costs.

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Police in Portugal and Spain have

broken up an international

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drug smuggling ring.

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That used boxes of fruit to bring

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in cocaine from South America.

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Authorities found more

than 700 kilogrammes

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of the drug hidden in pineapples

packed in shipping containers.

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Nine people have been arrested.

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The actor Peter Wyngarde,

who played the flamboyant 60s

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crime-fighter Jason King,

has died aged 90.

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Wyngarde shot to fame in the series

"Department S" but was also

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a prolific stage actor and director.

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His agent described Wyngard

as the most extraordinary

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man he had ever met.

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That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 9.30am.

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Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning -

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use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

and if you text, you will be charged

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at the standard network rate.

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Let's get some sport...

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The main British hope that the

Australian open is already out?

Yes,

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Johanna Konta, the number nine seed

in the women's singles, high hopes

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for my Melbourne, she played really

well in previous years. Despite the

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fact she was out of form of late and

was working with a new coach at this

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year's Australian Open, it won't

mean that her defeat overnight isn't

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a disappointment for her.

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She was shocked really

by the World Number 123

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Bernarda Perera in the second round.

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The American took it 6-4,

7-5 to get what's only her second

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win in a Grand Slam.

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Konta would have hoped for more

as the Number 9 seed,

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who has reached the quarters

and the semi finals on her last two

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visits to Melbourne -

but maybe the pressure has told

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for her she's actually

only won three of her 11

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matches since reaching

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the Wimbledon semi finals last

July...

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It's a bit frustrating. But, also, I

think... I'm still taking good stuff

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from this. I'm not... I don't

feel... By any means that it's a

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massive catastrophe. Obviously, I

play every event to be there to the

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end. So I definitely don't want to

be going home this early. But I

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think, in terms of building myself

back up again and playing the way

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want to I think I keep moving

forward.

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There was a better day for six-time

champion Novak DJokovic who battled

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back from a set down in 39 degree

heat to come past Gael Monfils

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to reach Round 3.

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The Frenchman complained

of dizziness and needed treatment

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from the doctor at one point.

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Due to the heat.

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Temperatures are likely to exceed

40 degrees tomorrow.

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When Britain's Kyle Edmund will be

in third round action...

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His mum is reminding him to use as

much sun block as possible.

Good mum

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pegs we talked a lot about the video

system referee. Some love it but

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some are not happy.

Have we seen the

first controversy? Quite possibly.

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Yesterday morning we were praising

the video assistant referee system

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after that was responsible for

awarding the first goal in English

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football but maybe we saw the

negative side last night.

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1-1 after 90 minutes the game went

to extra time with Chelsea's Willian

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seemingly fouled

in the penalty area.

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The referee booked him for diving

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and the decision remained no penalty

after being checked.

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It meant the tie went all the way

to penalties with Eden Hazard

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scoring the decisive spot-kick

at Stamford Bridge but all

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the discussion afterwards

was about VAR with Alan Shearer

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clearly not a fan.

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You can see why I was very doubtful

about it. It is a shambles. Four

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former footballers here, Jermaine

Jenas, five. We fear -- we think it

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is a clear and obvious penalty and

he looks for diving axeman who on

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earth is looking at that screen at

Stockley Park and doesn't think that

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is a penalty! -- e-books him for

diving! It is someone else's

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opinion, that is why it is a

shambles. -- he books him for

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diving!

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Well things were a lot clearer

as League One leaders Wigan shocked

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Bournemouth of the Premier League

with a comfortable 3-0 win -

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they'll take on another top flight

side, West Ham in the fourth round.

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In the night's other game

Swansea beat Wolves 2-1.

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And you can watch the highlights

of both games on the BBC

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Briefly, Ben Stokes is back for

England, the England cricket team

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and some people really unhappy about

that?

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The ECB has made a choice that has

drawn plenty of criticism...

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Ben Stokes as we know was not

considered for England's Ashes Tour

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defeat because he was under police

investigation following an incident

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outside of a Bristol nightclub back

in September of last year.

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But a few days ago, Stokes

was charged with affray but the ECB

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have decided to bring him back.

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It's likely he'll play in their

series in New Zealand next month.

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Former England captain

Nasser Hussain saying

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in his newspaper column today that

Stokes should not have been brought

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back until his case had ended

and all the details were known.

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England's head coach Trevor Bayliss,

has given his view on the situation.

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From my point of view it was a Board

decision. They've kept me up to date

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pretty much with what is going on. I

am happy with the decision made and

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fully understand why it was made. As

I said, with the rest of the players

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and Ben himself it is a complex

situation, one that has not been

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easy to work through. We are coming

out of the other end of it and

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hopefully we can get on with the

cricket.

Ben Stokes says he's

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looking forward to being back,

England probably need him, he was

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named in the one-day and Twenty20

teams so quality player who will be

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back soon. Thank you, Hugh.

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back soon. Thank you, Hugh. Hundreds

of people are still congregating in

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the so-called Jungle migrant camp in

Cali, hoping to cross to the UK.

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Today Theresa May will promise even

more UK money to tackle

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the issue when she meets

the French President Emmanuel Macron

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at a major summit in London.

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In moment we'll discuss

whether the extra money -

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£44.5 million, is the answer.

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First here is an extract from a film

made by our reporter Catrin Nye

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about when she visited the area last

year.

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Calais is a darker place

than I have ever seen it.

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This is my fifth time

reporting here and it is more

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hostile.

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More desperate.

0:18:020:18:05

Colder, wetter, miserable.

0:18:050:18:13

I promise you one thing.

0:18:130:18:14

This place will never get finished.

0:18:140:18:15

This scrap of land used

to be home to more than

0:18:150:18:18

7,000 people.

0:18:180:18:19

This is what remains

of The Jungle now.

0:18:190:18:22

Not very much.

0:18:220:18:29

In October 2016, French

authorities cleared the

0:18:290:18:30

camp known as The Jungle.

0:18:300:18:36

But people have kept on coming.

0:18:360:18:40

Some back from centres

they were dispersed to.

0:18:400:18:43

Finding new places to

set up temporary home.

0:18:430:18:48

So now The Jungle has

gone, dozens of people

0:18:480:18:53

every night are sleeping

between these massive

0:18:530:18:54

mounds of industrial waste

in the middle of Calais.

0:18:540:19:00

Charities estimate that up to 700

people are here now, many again

0:19:000:19:03

pitching tents in

the woods for shelter.

0:19:030:19:06

But the police are constantly

pulling these down

0:19:060:19:08

because they do not

want new camps here.

0:19:080:19:13

So how do you solve

a problem like Calais?

0:19:130:19:17

Let's speak to Jean-Paul Mulot,

Permanent Representative to the UK

0:19:170:19:25

of the Hauts-de-France region,

which covers Calais.

0:19:260:19:28

Tony Smith, Former Head

0:19:280:19:29

of the UK Border Force

and Josie Naughton,

0:19:290:19:31

Founder of Help Refugees UK.

0:19:310:19:33

Welcome to you all. Let's talk about

the extra security measures the

0:19:330:19:37

money Britain is giving to France

will pay for, and what you think of.

0:19:370:19:42

Extra fencing, extra CCTV, what

difference will it make.

Quite a

0:19:420:19:46

lot. We always had money but Vella

two issues. One is immigration and

0:19:460:19:53

the other is trade. So what are to

do

0:19:530:20:01

do is to protect them, 30 million

tourists travel across the Channel

0:20:010:20:05

every year and 40 million trucks. On

the other side there is the migrant

0:20:050:20:08

crisis with the security we need to

provide. £50 million sounds a lot,

0:20:080:20:14

but I'm just going to give you

figure. At the moment you have the

0:20:140:20:22

cost, just to pay them is exactly

that amount, £50 million.

So the

0:20:220:20:29

money isn't going to go far.

I know

people always criticise it but...

As

0:20:290:20:37

an organisation working on the

ground, us, this seems to be this

0:20:370:20:42

batting of responsibility between

the French and the British as to

0:20:420:20:45

whose problem it is. I think the

answer is, it is both of their

0:20:450:20:50

problem and the response on the

ground, the organisations on the

0:20:500:20:54

ground both French and British, this

money going towards security is not

0:20:540:20:59

going to solve the problem. What is

needed as asylum process. That goes

0:20:590:21:05

for people who will be staying in

France and those coming to the UK

0:21:050:21:08

because they have a legal right with

family here, and accommodations are

0:21:080:21:12

people and sleeping in the cold in

December, 15-year-old boy who had a

0:21:120:21:18

legal right to be with his family in

the UK and wasn't able to have the

0:21:180:21:27

right, our team was notified,

nothing was done and he lost his

0:21:270:21:31

life.

He was hit by a truck.

By a

car, gas. If money had been spent,

0:21:310:21:41

on accommodation to protect

vulnerable people, maybe that would

0:21:410:21:43

not have happened.

We all want to

solve this is you, the French

0:21:430:21:55

president actually said, when he was

in Calais on Tuesday, but the French

0:21:550:22:03

state had helped to organise food

distribution, in the end what is

0:22:030:22:07

important is what we do at the end

of the line, what we do in Africa.

0:22:070:22:17

of the line, what we do in Africa. I

heard the British government would

0:22:170:22:20

give £50 million to help countries

in Berlin also to tackle the issue.

0:22:200:22:30

We need to know where they are.

Can

stop them travelling in the first

0:22:300:22:34

place. Tony, this extra money

physicality as Jean-Paul says will

0:22:340:22:39

be spent on these things, will it

make any difference, it won't stop

0:22:390:22:43

migrants wanting to come to Calais.

It won't stop them whether they come

0:22:430:22:48

to the UK or not, I think you know

that we did invest in Calais years

0:22:480:22:51

ago and it has had an impact and we

do have border Force controls over

0:22:510:22:56

their and we've dropped from 80,000

to 30,000 since that investment...

0:22:560:23:01

Answers the campus demolished.

So I

think what the French government is

0:23:010:23:06

doing is right, they are trying to

process asylum seekers themselves,

0:23:060:23:10

putting them into more hospitable

accommodation into other centres,

0:23:100:23:15

dispersing them and trying to

process them through their systems.

0:23:150:23:18

From our point of view the best

solution is to retain the

0:23:180:23:25

agreement...

The agreement whereby

the British border is in France.

0:23:250:23:30

Wiggle and juxtaposed controls but

essentially our officers control

0:23:300:23:36

immigration in France every day and

the French officials do the same

0:23:360:23:40

here. But the best borders in the

world check people and goods before

0:23:400:23:44

they cross. And quite often

electronically through data Systems.

0:23:440:23:48

That is what we are building with

the French, a vision for the future.

0:23:480:23:53

As Jean-Paul says it is hugely

strategically important economically

0:23:530:23:56

for both sides. There's a real

opportunity to build our

0:23:560:24:00

collaboration with the authorities

and invest together in a structure

0:24:000:24:10

that will support us.

I think we

need to remember the number of

0:24:100:24:14

displaced people in Europe between

700 and pheasant in Calais at the

0:24:140:24:18

moment is a tiny, tiny proportion

sometimes blown out of the water.

0:24:180:24:26

And again over £2 million was spent

on a wall, I don't know if it would

0:24:260:24:37

cost this amount to spend on

accommodation, do we need a thousand

0:24:370:24:42

policemen?

We don't want them!

Is

your argument that if you did not

0:24:420:24:49

have the police and the wall there

would be more than 1000 migrants

0:24:490:24:53

there?

Probably.

The media is very

powerful and stories current

0:24:530:24:57

quickly. There's a

0:24:570:25:03

quickly. There's a huge irregular

micro publishing in the EU now. We

0:25:050:25:08

are not part of that and a

significant number of those people

0:25:080:25:10

have been through the silent system

in the Schengen zone and have been

0:25:100:25:17

said they won't go back, and

returning asylum seekers is a hugely

0:25:170:25:21

difficult, expensive and emotional

business. So what you need is try to

0:25:210:25:25

control the problem at source. Where

are they coming from in the first

0:25:250:25:30

place? With the pull factor. If we

let our guard down in Calais you'd

0:25:300:25:36

see huge numbers flocking back to

northern France, to the ports, with

0:25:360:25:40

the hopes that we would allow

migration through that route. We

0:25:400:25:43

want to distinguish legal

0:25:430:25:52

want to distinguish legal migration,

it's not really the proper way of

0:25:520:25:53

processing people...

The problem is

that at the moment there is no

0:25:530:25:59

process. A family can wait nine

months before any proper help is

0:25:590:26:03

given to them and in that time they

are sleeping outside in the cold.

0:26:030:26:06

What are they supposed to do. Their

youngest child in Calais at the

0:26:060:26:11

moment is ten and is terrified of

the police and their brutality.

Does

0:26:110:26:16

the French government care about

that child?

0:26:160:26:25

that child?

It is true that

massively over the last two years

0:26:250:26:27

the French government has invested

in centres and trying to help. It is

0:26:270:26:33

not enough. What we need is to

tackle the traffickers. We've seen

0:26:330:26:41

on Tuesday, in one area, a young

migrant paid 10,000 pounds to cross.

0:26:410:26:48

It is slave trade. We need to tackle

that. When those people are

0:26:480:26:53

arrested, it's not enough. They've

got to be condemned.

In the absence

0:26:530:27:07

of a safe, legal and when people are

pushed into exploitation, this is

0:27:070:27:12

why the solutions needs to be talked

about by both governments, rather

0:27:120:27:16

than the problem.

Thank you both for

coming in.

0:27:160:27:19

It's that time of the morning

where we bring you up to date

0:27:190:27:23

in the trial of former football

coach Barry Bennell.

0:27:230:27:27

The court heard yesterday that

ex-Wales captain Gary Speed was one

0:27:270:27:30

of four men who went

on to take their own lives after

0:27:300:27:32

being coached by Barry Bennell.

0:27:320:27:34

Our reporter Jim Reed has

been following the trial

0:27:340:27:36

at Liverpool Crown Court.

0:27:360:27:38

Yes this is the trial,

as you've said, of Barry Bennell

0:27:380:27:41

who was a youth football coach

linked to a number of teams

0:27:410:27:44

including Manchester City

and Crewe Alexandra.

0:27:440:27:45

He faces 48 charges

of sexual abuse between 1979

0:27:450:27:53

and 1991 which he denies.

0:27:530:27:56

He's attending the trial by video

link because of ill health.

0:27:560:28:04

Yesterday then was day six

of the trial and the jury heard

0:28:070:28:14

from a man who Mr Bennell had

admitted abusing back in 1998.

0:28:140:28:17

This man spoke about

the impact on his life

0:28:170:28:19

and on the lives of others.

0:28:190:28:21

He said he knew of former youth

players who had been left

0:28:210:28:24

with alcohol problems as a result.

0:28:240:28:30

He told the court: "Four

people from teams I have

0:28:300:28:33

played with, with Bennell,

have taken their own lives.

0:28:330:28:35

Whether they have taken their lives

due to Barry solely I don't know.

0:28:350:28:38

But all I know is how it's had

an impact on me and how it

0:28:380:28:42

could impact on other people."

0:28:420:28:43

One of those four was, he said,

former Wales captain

0:28:430:28:45

and manager Gary Speed -

who also played for Leeds,

0:28:450:28:48

Newcastle and others.

0:28:480:28:49

He very sadly took his own life

six years ago in 2011.

0:28:490:28:57

After Gary Speed's death,

the victim said he tried to contact

0:28:570:28:59

Gary Speed's parents at the time.

0:28:590:29:03

And he was asked about compensation?

0:29:030:29:06

That's right.

0:29:060:29:10

So this witness says

there was an ongoing civil case

0:29:100:29:13

against Manchester City.

0:29:130:29:14

But added: "I know personally,

for me, it's about justice."

0:29:140:29:16

Earlier in the day the court

also heard from another

0:29:160:29:18

victim in the case.

0:29:180:29:19

This is someone that Barry Bennell

has admitted one charge against.

0:29:190:29:22

This man - now in his 40s -

said he believed people working

0:29:220:29:26

for Manchester City knew about abuse

involving Barry Bennell

0:29:260:29:28

but did nothing about it.

0:29:280:29:29

He named the former chief

scout there, Ken Barnes,

0:29:290:29:35

who is now dead, and another man

called Mike Grimsley who he said ran

0:29:350:29:38

one of the youth teams.

0:29:380:29:40

He said these two people must have

known.

0:29:400:29:46

He also said he wanted an apology

from Manchester City.

0:29:460:29:49

Again under cross examination he was

asked about claiming compensation.

0:29:490:29:51

He said: "If you think I am

going to put myself through this,

0:29:510:29:54

talk about being raped

over 100 times?.

0:29:540:29:56

For damages, you are wrong."

0:29:560:29:57

As I said earlier Mr Bennell denies

48 counts of abuse in this case.

0:29:570:30:00

The trial continues today.

0:30:000:30:02

Thank you very much. Coming up in

the next half-hour we will talk

0:30:020:30:08

about the wild weather that's

causing disruption across parts of

0:30:080:30:11

the UK and bring you the latest.

0:30:110:30:12

Time for the latest

news - here's Annita.

0:30:150:30:18

The BBC News headlines this morning.

0:30:180:30:19

Britain is to increase

its contribution towards border

0:30:190:30:21

controls in France by nearly

£45 million, and commit

0:30:210:30:23

to taking in more migrants.

0:30:230:30:27

The deal will be announced

at a summit between Theresa May

0:30:270:30:30

and the French President Emmanuel

Macron this afternoon.

0:30:300:30:32

Other commitments being unveiled

include the deployment of three RAF

0:30:320:30:35

Chinook helicopters to Mali,

where French forces are fighting

0:30:350:30:40

Islamic extremists,

and the confirmation that France

0:30:400:30:42

will loan Britain

the Bayeux Tapestry.

0:30:420:30:45

Taxpayers owe private

companies £199 billion

0:30:450:30:47

for schemes set up under

Private Finance Initiatives,

0:30:470:30:49

according to the government's

spending watchdog.

0:30:490:30:54

The National Audit office found 716

deals were currently

0:30:540:30:57

operational under PFI

and its successor, PF2,

0:30:570:30:58

with annual costs amounting

to more than £10 billion.

0:30:580:31:03

The government says both schemes

improved public services.

0:31:030:31:05

The report was written before

the collapse of Carillion,

0:31:050:31:07

which held a number of contracts,

including some under PFI schemes.

0:31:070:31:15

Heavy snow fall is continuing

to cause problems in parts

0:31:170:31:19

of Scotland and northern England,

with drivers warned to proceed

0:31:190:31:22

with "extreme caution"

while on the roads.

0:31:220:31:28

While travel warnings have been

downgraded, police say

0:31:280:31:30

there is still the likelihood

of disruption and delays.

0:31:300:31:32

Elsewhere, severe gales

and heavy rain are affecting

0:31:320:31:34

other parts of the UK.

0:31:340:31:37

Scottish Borders Council has closed

all schools. Trees have all that

0:31:370:31:43

there are power outages.

0:31:430:31:45

Some areas reported gusts of up

to 70 miles per hour.

0:31:450:31:48

There are calls for all women over

the age of 30 to be screened

0:31:480:31:51

for a faulty gene linked to higher

rates of breast and ovarian cancer.

0:31:510:31:54

Research by the Barts Cancer

Institute in London found testing

0:31:540:31:57

would prevent thousands of cancers,

and be cost-effective for the NHS.

0:31:570:32:02

Patient safety in Accident

and Emergency Units in Wales

0:32:020:32:04

is being compromised

to an "unacceptable degree"

0:32:040:32:06

according to hospital consultants.

0:32:060:32:10

A group of 46 doctors is warning

of the risks in a letter sent

0:32:100:32:13

to the First Minister.

0:32:130:32:14

Monthly performance figures will be

published later this morning.

0:32:140:32:19

NHS Wales say it's been

a very challenging winter,

0:32:190:32:21

but things are starting to improve.

0:32:210:32:24

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

0:32:240:32:30

Here's some sport now with Hugh.

0:32:300:32:33

Good morning.

0:32:330:32:35

There was a disappointing defeat

for British number One Johanna Konta

0:32:350:32:38

at the Australian Open.

0:32:380:32:39

The number nine seed was shocked

in the second round,

0:32:390:32:42

beaten by the World Number 123

Bernarda Pera in straight sets.

0:32:420:32:44

Konta said afterwards it's not

a massive catastrophe.

0:32:440:32:52

The new Video Assistant Referee

system caused it's first strong

0:32:520:32:54

debate last night with the former

England captain calling it

0:32:540:32:57

calling it a shambles -

after Chelsea were not awarded

0:32:570:33:00

a penalty in their FA Cup third

round win over Norwich.

0:33:000:33:04

The shock of the night in the FA Cup

though came at Wigan

0:33:040:33:07

where the League One side knocked

out Premier League Bournemouth

0:33:070:33:09

beating them 3-0.

0:33:090:33:11

Elsewhere, Swansea beat Wolves.

0:33:110:33:15

And defending champions England have

named their Six Nations squad

0:33:150:33:18

for their first match against Italy.

0:33:180:33:20

Eight uncapped players

are named including

0:33:200:33:22

Northampton's Harry Mallinder.

0:33:220:33:28

More sport after 10am.

Thank you.

Let's talk about the wild weather.

0:33:280:33:34

Severe gales have been causing

disruption to much of the UK

0:33:340:33:37

and police in several areas

including East Anglia

0:33:370:33:39

and Gloucestershire have reported

fallen trees on or near main roads.

0:33:390:33:41

Bridges are closed, trees are down.

Thousands of homes are without power

0:33:410:33:45

in Essex.

0:33:450:33:48

In Scotland, drivers

were warned overnight to use

0:33:480:33:50

extreme caution on the roads due

to heavy snow.

0:33:500:33:52

And in Dumfries and Galloway,

the A75 was closed between Dumfries

0:33:520:33:54

and Gatehouse of Fleet

because of a number

0:33:540:33:56

of jackknifed lorries.

0:33:560:33:59

Let's talk to various people around

the country.

0:33:590:34:03

Our correspondents Fiona Trott

are in Penrith and Abington

0:34:030:34:07

Rebecca Manning joins us

from her home in South West London.

0:34:070:34:09

Believe it or not a tree fell over

there and caused some damage.

0:34:090:34:12

Stein Connelly is Operation Manager

at Traffic Scotland.

0:34:120:34:14

Fiona, tell us about the area where

you are.

The A66 is closed eastbound

0:34:140:34:21

near broth, not surprising, lots of

snow over higher ground, 38

0:34:210:34:26

centimetres, that's just south.

Opens on the A19 between Hartlepool

0:34:260:34:31

and Durham. 18 miles of tailbacks

this morning because of snow. It's

0:34:310:34:35

not just snow, winds are causing

problems down the south-east this

0:34:350:34:39

morning. Costs of over 80 mph in

Norfolk. We are hearing thousands of

0:34:390:34:45

homes without power in Suffolk, East

Anglia and Cambridgeshire, three --

0:34:450:34:52

3000 without power. Fallen trees in

Norfolk and Cambridgeshire and

0:34:520:34:56

Lincolnshire causing some of those

power cuts we heard about. In double

0:34:560:35:00

show, Norfolk, Surrey and

Gloucestershire. Because of the

0:35:000:35:05

strong winds, the trains, problems

in Suffolk, or one railway line is

0:35:050:35:09

blocked and delays to and from

Manchester, Piccadilly and

0:35:090:35:13

Birmingham new street. The latest on

the weather warnings, yellow winter

0:35:130:35:17

warning for England and Wales. In

northern England, yellow snow and

0:35:170:35:21

ice warning until 11am.

Thank you.

It's not often you get a do not

0:35:210:35:27

travel warning, but that is what

happened for drivers across parts in

0:35:270:35:30

Scotland last night?

There was a

really serious warning issued by the

0:35:300:35:35

police. In effect, saying, keep your

cars at home. I have to say, this

0:35:350:35:43

morning, it's very white here. About

one foot of snow by the side of the

0:35:430:35:47

motorway that it is not so wild and

crucially, the M74, the main link

0:35:470:35:52

road down the west side of the

country, between Scotland and

0:35:520:35:57

England, is running clearly. It

really does seem as if drivers

0:35:570:36:03

needed that warning to stay at home.

Overnight, what you saw on this

0:36:030:36:10

stretch of motorway was a fleet of

gritters going up and down making

0:36:100:36:16

sure it stayed clear. What they

really wanted to avoid was a repeat

0:36:160:36:20

of those scenes on Tuesday night

where hundreds of drivers were left

0:36:200:36:24

stranded for hours overnight after

jackknifed lorries slowed the

0:36:240:36:30

traffic. Cars struggled on the

inclines and the whole system ground

0:36:300:36:33

to a halt. Conditions are still a

bit tricky today. The Met office has

0:36:330:36:40

downgraded it to an amber weather

warning. But drivers are still being

0:36:400:36:47

urged to take caution. Some of the

more minor roads are still extremely

0:36:470:36:51

difficult in places. Interestingly,

though, Scotland's transport

0:36:510:36:58

Minister has announced that there is

a review of this morning's system --

0:36:580:37:01

this warning system, to start using

normal language instead of the

0:37:010:37:06

jargon.

Thank you, let's use normal

language with Steve. Operation

0:37:060:37:12

manager at Traffic Scotland. Drivers

were a lot more sensible last night

0:37:120:37:16

and the other night, weren't they?

Very much so. We were trying to put

0:37:160:37:20

out the message when the police were

saying avoid road travel, we will

0:37:200:37:24

put in that message out all of

yesterday so that people heeded the

0:37:240:37:28

warning and it allowed us to get

gritters in your previous

0:37:280:37:31

interviewee said they had seen

fleets of gritters on the M74. We

0:37:310:37:36

kept that clear and open for the

morning peak this morning.

What is

0:37:360:37:41

the advice for the rest of the day

to motorists? I can see the roads

0:37:410:37:45

behind you are clear, pretty much

back to normal?

You can still see

0:37:450:37:48

that there is a lot of snow. We are

still on a yellow warning for snow

0:37:480:37:52

and ice. The Met office are working

with us here in the Traffic Scotland

0:37:520:38:00

response centre. We will continue to

do that until we think it is safe to

0:38:000:38:04

step down. Last night, we had 154

gritters out, they are still out.

0:38:040:38:10

They are monitoring and patrolling

the roads, dealing with any issues

0:38:100:38:14

that we have. We will continue to do

that until we think it is time to

0:38:140:38:17

step down.

Thank you. Rebecca

joining us from her home in

0:38:170:38:24

south-west London, people mock when

people who live in London complain

0:38:240:38:27

about the weather that something

dramatic did happen last night

0:38:270:38:29

because of the wind?

I got up for

work as usual to get ready. And I

0:38:290:38:36

heard the wind outside. I thought

somebody was trying to break into

0:38:360:38:41

the house. I walked into the living

room and no one was there. I walked

0:38:410:38:45

over to where the window was broken.

A Christmas tree had been blown into

0:38:450:38:51

my window and broke it.

Is this

camera on your laptop or is it your

0:38:510:38:57

phone? Can you show us? INTERFERENCE

pin you can see where I have taped

0:38:570:39:03

it up. Right.

0:39:030:39:08

That is proof that the winds in the

south-east were as strong as people

0:39:080:39:12

thought when they were woken up in

the middle of the night.

It was

0:39:120:39:15

really bad.

Thank you for talking to

us. Rebecca, Steve, Lorna, Fiona,

0:39:150:39:23

thank you. Thank you for your

messages on the migrant camp in

0:39:230:39:30

Calais. Carroll will be here with

the full weather forecast just

0:39:300:39:33

before 10am.

0:39:330:39:34

Coming up:

0:39:340:39:35

Is it a breach of their human

rights for athletes

0:39:350:39:38

to have to keep anti-doping

officials informed

0:39:380:39:39

of their whereabouts

so they can be drug tested?

0:39:390:39:41

A court is ruling on that shortly -

we'll have the latest.

0:39:410:39:49

Some of the country's most

senior police officers,

0:39:520:39:54

barristers and prosecutors

are meeting this morning to discuss

0:39:540:39:56

ways to address problems caused

by the non-disclosure of evidence.

0:39:560:39:59

The high-level meeting will be

chaired by the Director

0:39:590:40:01

of Public Prosecutions in England

and Wales, Alison Saunders.

0:40:010:40:03

It comes after a third rape case

in just over a month collapsed

0:40:030:40:06

after it emerged images

from the defendant's phone

0:40:060:40:08

showing him cuddling the alleged

victim were not disclosed.

0:40:080:40:16

We will talk to Batman's lawyer in

just a moment. -- that man's lawyer.

0:40:160:40:22

This comes after the trial

of Liam Allan was abandoned after it

0:40:220:40:25

emerged officers had failed

to disclose vital evidence which

0:40:250:40:27

undermined the prosecution

case against him.

0:40:270:40:29

This included phone messages

where his accuser had

0:40:290:40:31

pestered him for sex.

0:40:310:40:32

He appeared on our programme

after being cleared in court.

0:40:320:40:34

There is relief on one side,

in terms of the case is over.

0:40:370:40:45

As in, I'm not the suspect,

I'm not standing trial more.

0:40:470:40:50

There is relief there.

0:40:500:40:51

With the publicity,,

it has been huge.

0:40:510:40:53

It is a different kind

of stress in terms of

0:40:530:40:55

that now.

0:40:550:40:56

And it is still another battle

to go through in terms of

0:40:560:40:59

compensation.

0:40:590:41:05

And sueing.

0:41:050:41:08

It is not over completely.

0:41:080:41:09

I'm just not the one

standing trial any more.

0:41:090:41:11

What do you think would be

adequate compensation

0:41:110:41:13

from what you have insured?

0:41:130:41:14

I wouldn't know.

0:41:140:41:15

I said at the time that

university is supposed to be

0:41:150:41:18

the best times of your life.

0:41:180:41:19

The last two years I have

just spent worrying

0:41:190:41:21

and not concentrating

on

0:41:210:41:22

anything.

0:41:220:41:23

It has ripped apart by normal

personal life and now that

0:41:230:41:26

it has come to light,

it is still going on.

0:41:260:41:28

The longer we have to wait,

in terms of going for compensation

0:41:280:41:31

and things like that,

the more stress it still is.

0:41:310:41:34

Because I'm still away from uni and

my normal life.

0:41:340:41:38

According to your solicitor,

there could be other

0:41:380:41:43

cases and other miscarriages

of justice, people in

0:41:430:41:45

jail right now where

0:41:450:41:47

evidence that could have

proved their innocence has not been

0:41:470:41:50

disclosed.

0:41:500:41:51

I think, yet...

0:41:510:41:52

They can't really stop

false accusations

0:41:520:41:53

because people do

have a spiteful side.

0:41:530:42:01

When people are hurt they react

in a way you wouldn't really expect.

0:42:020:42:05

We rely on the procedure

to find the right

0:42:050:42:08

sort of things.

0:42:080:42:09

As far as I am aware,

and I have been through it, I

0:42:090:42:12

am not the only one.

0:42:120:42:13

There are people going through it

right now.

0:42:130:42:15

With me now is Paris Theodorou,

he's a lawyer who defended

0:42:150:42:18

Samson Makele, who was charged

with rape 18 months ago.

0:42:180:42:21

But this week the case against him

collapsed when his legal team found

0:42:210:42:24

photos of him and his alleged victim

cuddling in bed.

0:42:240:42:31

Tell our audience about this case,

first of all.

Samson Makele was

0:42:310:42:38

accused of rain, originally arrested

18 months ago, bailed and his phone

0:42:380:42:42

was seized. As a result of his phone

being seized, his telephone was

0:42:420:42:45

downloaded. Later on it suffice that

the downloads didn't include

0:42:450:42:52

pictures, which later came to light.

Presumably your client was telling

0:42:520:42:57

you, I know there are pictures on my

phone.

He did.

How come they weren't

0:42:570:43:02

disclosed by the police?

0:43:020:43:07

disclosed by the police?

There was a

download allegedly committed by the

0:43:080:43:10

offices in the case but we don't

know why they were not provided to

0:43:100:43:13

us. Thankfully we were able to

obtain the phone ourselves.

It could

0:43:130:43:17

be technical incompetence that the

download didn't happen properly or

0:43:170:43:20

fully.

It could be.

Or it could be

something more sinister, the

0:43:200:43:25

download happened and the

photographs were kept back because

0:43:250:43:27

there would undermine the

prosecution case.

I am not

0:43:270:43:31

suggesting anything sinister

happened. But I think there has been

0:43:310:43:33

a technical failing.

Right. You

managed to get the phone.

I did.

0:43:330:43:40

What did you do differently?

I did

my own download with my own experts.

0:43:400:43:44

Thankfully we found the images.

Samson Makele is from Eritrea, he

0:43:440:43:50

doesn't speak the best English.

Thankfully we were able to

0:43:500:43:53

facilitate a proper interview with

him and obtain all of the

0:43:530:43:55

information.

But this has been going

on for 18 months.

It has.

Had the

0:43:550:44:02

photos emerged much earlier this

case would clearly... He may never

0:44:020:44:05

have been charged in the first

place.

I don't want to talk about

0:44:050:44:09

hypotheticals, it could have been

the case that this evidence or the

0:44:090:44:13

telephone could have gone missing

and he could been convicted of an

0:44:130:44:16

offence where crucial evidence could

have been available to the court. He

0:44:160:44:19

could have had a fair trial.

Alison

Saunders is having a high-level

0:44:190:44:24

meeting today, the Director of

Public Prosecutions for England and

0:44:240:44:27

Wales, this is what she said on

Radio 4 this morning.

If you have a

0:44:270:44:32

case where people have briefly

manage other, there is nothing that

0:44:320:44:35

says there will be photographs. The

police obligation is to pursue all

0:44:350:44:39

reasonable lines of enquiry. That

doesn't mean going into every single

0:44:390:44:42

avenue of your life. They would look

to see if there was contact, text

0:44:420:44:47

messages, which they did and which

we looked at and we served. But they

0:44:470:44:50

did not know what else was on the

phone.

Did they even look at it?

The

0:44:500:44:56

download, I think, was not complete.

Certainly, the prosecutors had no

0:44:560:45:02

idea there were photographs.

Forgive

me for interrupting but in a way,

0:45:020:45:05

that seems a glaring omission right

from the start. They didn't even

0:45:050:45:10

think, "We must look at photographs

or social media".

We don't look into

0:45:100:45:14

every single aspect of everybody's

life, there has to be a proportional

0:45:140:45:18

response.

But even a glancing blow,

even notice that it wasn't there,

0:45:180:45:22

why wasn't it?

This is where there

is a complete systemic issue. What

0:45:220:45:27

should have happened is that it

should have happened much earlier.

0:45:270:45:30

It was an 18 month process that he

was under investigation and his name

0:45:300:45:34

was out there. That is one of the

things we are looking at today with

0:45:340:45:37

everyone, how do we make all of this

happen more effectively and at an

0:45:370:45:41

earlier stage? So you don't have

suspect is going through this

0:45:410:45:44

process, you don't have complain is

going through this process.

His life

0:45:440:45:47

was ruined because of that procedure

going wrong.

I understand this. It

0:45:470:45:52

is really important that we get it

right across the system. I am not

0:45:520:45:57

for one moment saying we couldn't

have done better in that case, that

0:45:570:46:00

it couldn't have been dealt with

earlier.

0:46:000:46:05

How do you respond to that.

I think

it is good that the CPS are

0:46:050:46:12

expecting some responsibility for

the failures and it is good that

0:46:120:46:15

they will be full disclosure.

Let me

bring in Jerry Hayes, the

0:46:150:46:22

prosecuting lawyer who helped to

clear Liam Allan, the man that he

0:46:220:46:27

was prosecuting. Mr Hayes, how do

you react to this meeting, what

0:46:270:46:31

needs to happen?

Very good news

indeed. This problem has been

0:46:310:46:36

bedevilling the courts for a long

time. Thank heavens it is now in the

0:46:360:46:40

open. Two things need to be done and

are relatively simple. First the

0:46:400:46:45

police have to be retrained and

understand their duties of

0:46:450:46:48

disclosure. Secondly they must be

told that it is

0:46:480:47:00

not for them to decide what is

relevant, it is for the Crown

0:47:020:47:05

prosecution lawyer to decide. The

next thing that has to happen is

0:47:050:47:07

that the CPS have to be properly

resourced. They have to have the

0:47:070:47:09

people, the equipment, and the money

to sift through sometimes mountains

0:47:090:47:12

of evidence which comes from social

media. They can't take another round

0:47:120:47:14

of cuts.

It sounds as if you are

saying that you don't believe that

0:47:140:47:21

police and prosecutors on occasion

deliberately withheld evidence

0:47:210:47:24

because it would undermine their

case.

No, I have never seen any

0:47:240:47:30

evidence of that and I prosecute and

I defend. What has happened is that

0:47:300:47:34

there has been a systemic and

cultural problem within the police.

0:47:340:47:37

They seem to think their job is just

too but the case. It is not. They

0:47:370:47:41

need to look at the evidence, to

record it, to retain it, and reveal

0:47:410:47:46

it.

In the case of Liam Allan police

told his defence team that some of

0:47:460:47:54

the text messages the complainant

had sent to friends were not

0:47:540:47:59

relevant to the trial.

That is what

they told me, not the defence.

0:47:590:48:04

Absolutely. And I ask questions...

That isn't about a lack of training,

0:48:040:48:14

Jerry Hayes, was it?

I thought this

was a particularly appalling case.

0:48:140:48:18

It is not widespread. But if you

have the systems in place, there is

0:48:180:48:23

an act of Parliament that list and

the things that the police should do

0:48:230:48:26

and we must make sure they do it. It

was a police officer who told me, I

0:48:260:48:31

wasn't aware of this disc and I

said, can you show me there's

0:48:310:48:34

nothing here that can assist the

defence and undermine the

0:48:340:48:38

prosecution case? He said there

wasn't and I wasn't happy and in

0:48:380:48:42

court I said this must be served so

we can go through it. We found the

0:48:420:48:46

stuff which quite properly cleared

Liam.

Hollande are you about other

0:48:460:48:53

cases that have collapsed, others

might say this is a good thing,

0:48:530:48:58

because of late disclosure of

evidence?

That has been fairly

0:48:580:49:02

common. The CPS doesn't have the

resources. The rape and serious

0:49:020:49:08

offences unit of 130 cases each,

they need more lawyers, more

0:49:080:49:15

paralegals, more money. The

Chancellor is threatening another

0:49:150:49:18

round of cuts to the CPS. This would

be disastrous for everyone. Accent

0:49:180:49:23

today is a good day, something that

has been bedevilling us four years

0:49:230:49:26

is now out in the open and something

is being done about it.

Thank you

0:49:260:49:31

very much Jerry Hayes, and Paris,

thank you. Let me read some messages

0:49:310:49:38

we have received about the migrant

camp in Calais. We began the problem

0:49:380:49:42

today with this story because of

this high-level summit between the

0:49:420:49:46

Prime Minister and the French

president today. Britain is giving

0:49:460:49:51

France £44.5 million to boost

security at Calais to stop a camp

0:49:510:49:54

building up again. Philip says in a

text, we must have control of our

0:49:540:50:00

borders and not let the French

president dictate to the UK how many

0:50:000:50:05

migrants retaken. Lynn says what

happens to failed applications,

0:50:050:50:08

those who apply from Calais, where

did they go. Do they wed there,

0:50:080:50:13

hoping to find another way into the

UK? Not a nice environment to live

0:50:130:50:17

in while they are waiting. Johnny

says the charity workers need to be

0:50:170:50:23

held to account for adding to the

problem. John says, enough of the

0:50:230:50:27

refugees, we must look after our own

people first. More of those to come.

0:50:270:50:32

Send me an e-mail. Send a message on

Twitter and you can text and use

0:50:320:50:39

Facebook as well.

0:50:390:50:44

Athletes in France have in the last

half-hour lost a legal challenge

0:50:470:50:50

to drug testing rules.

0:50:500:50:55

They argued that strict rules

which require competitors

0:50:550:50:57

to disclose their whereabouts

for one hour every day are

0:50:570:50:59

an a breach of their human rights.

0:50:590:51:03

The European Court of Human Rights

disagreed. It found this would

0:51:030:51:07

increase the dangers of doping in

sport.

0:51:070:51:12

Let's talk now with Toni

Minichiello, trainer of Olympic

0:51:120:51:14

champion Jess Ennis-Hill,

Jo Pavey MBE the British

0:51:140:51:16

long distance runner,

Craig Maclean MBE Olympic

0:51:160:51:18

cyclist silver medallist.

0:51:180:51:19

Ellis Cashmore,

professor of Sociology

0:51:190:51:20

at Aston University.

0:51:200:51:23

Liam -- Toni, how do you respond to

this.

And is a good ruling. Common

0:51:230:51:32

sense has been delivered by the

European Court of Human Rights.

0:51:320:51:37

Explain this principle of

notification of your whereabouts?

0:51:370:51:40

You have to give you when about

three months in advance so you put

0:51:400:51:44

down in three-month blocks, you

basically say where you are going to

0:51:440:51:48

be, you have to be available for one

hour and say where that should be

0:51:480:51:52

way you will be for one hour. The

time starts at 5am and up to 11

0:51:520:51:59

o'clock at night. You pick one hour

out of that period and say where you

0:51:590:52:02

will be. Invariably a lot of people

give their home address at an early

0:52:020:52:06

time, let's say 7am, or their

training venue. If you put that in

0:52:060:52:11

in three-month blogs, you can always

come back to it on a daily basis and

0:52:110:52:16

alter it, should your plans change.

Some French athletes were arguing

0:52:160:52:20

that this God in the way of their

family life, to such an extent that

0:52:200:52:26

it was too much of a burden.

It can

be awkward. I would not say it is a

0:52:260:52:34

burden. I say, if situations change

for example if you have a dental

0:52:340:52:39

appointment and needs to leave the

house earlier, as long as you can

0:52:390:52:43

send a text or an e-mail you can

change where your whereabouts will

0:52:430:52:47

be at any time during that day. It

can be a bit awkward. It's up to you

0:52:470:52:52

to remember but once you start doing

it it is easy enough to do.

Some

0:52:520:52:58

athletes talk about having to have

made sacrifices to stick to this

0:52:580:53:01

rule.

0:53:010:53:06

rule. I would have to understand

those sacrifices, I worked with an

0:53:070:53:10

athlete and she made sure she was

available for one hour every day

0:53:100:53:14

including her wedding day! It is

easily done.

Was that Jessica Ennis

0:53:140:53:20

Hill?

It might have been! On her

wedding day she had to tell the

0:53:200:53:24

doping officials where she would be

for one hour. Presumably at home

0:53:240:53:28

getting ready for the wedding?

Yes,

that could have been awkward! In the

0:53:280:53:34

same situation when she was pregnant

with her first child she was still

0:53:340:53:38

competing. And babies don't stick to

schedules. You have to give one hour

0:53:380:53:46

for you are going to be and should

the situation change you make

0:53:460:53:49

provision that someone can access

the system, should your whereabouts

0:53:490:53:53

change. It's easy enough to handle.

Craig MacLean is an Olympic silver

0:53:530:54:01

medallist, apologies are introducing

you as some are different! Thank you

0:54:010:54:06

for talking to us. How do you react

to this ruling that it is not a

0:54:060:54:10

breach of the human rights of French

athletes to have to tell anti-doping

0:54:100:54:13

officials where they offer one hour

a day?

I think all athletes will

0:54:130:54:18

sigh with relief. Common sense has

prevailed. If they had won the case

0:54:180:54:24

the impact could have been massive,

I guess, in terms of how we go about

0:54:240:54:27

the sports of it is good.

Tell us

about the impact on some IQ of this

0:54:270:54:34

rule where you have to give notice

of your whereabouts, as it is

0:54:340:54:37

officially called, and also try to

live your life. -- on somebody like

0:54:370:54:40

you.

As Toni says it isn't a burden,

it is something you accept. When you

0:54:400:54:49

first become an athlete at first you

don't appreciate this maybe but when

0:54:490:54:54

you go full sign up to any sport

programme you're accepted as part of

0:54:540:54:58

your life.

0:54:580:55:04

your life. Most of the time you

forget about it. -- you accept it as

0:55:040:55:09

part of your life. It is not a big

deal.

And the reason it works is

0:55:090:55:15

because it can act as a deterrent

because you know that someone can

0:55:150:55:19

turn up at any moment at the point

that you have said you would be in a

0:55:190:55:23

particular place?

I guess to any

honest athlete it is just a gentle

0:55:230:55:29

reminder to be aware if you are

taking a supplement, whether it is

0:55:290:55:33

for a cold or a cough or something

like that, you have to think twice

0:55:330:55:37

about these things. It is quite

nice. I am sure that people out

0:55:370:55:41

there who are hell-bent on doping

and will find a way around the

0:55:410:55:47

system unfortunately.

Let me bring

in Ellis, how do you react to the

0:55:470:55:53

ruling?

I'm sorry, Victoria, what is

the question?

I apologise. The

0:55:530:56:00

French athletes have lost their

case, the European Court of Human

0:56:000:56:04

Rights says it is not a bridge of

human rights to have to tell

0:56:040:56:07

anti-doping officials where they

offer one hour a day. I was just

0:56:070:56:11

asking for your reaction.

It was a

predictable outcome. There's not

0:56:110:56:15

much else that organisations charged

with the responsibility of policing

0:56:150:56:19

doping can do. Because the athletes

have made it clear that they will

0:56:190:56:25

take dope, whatever the punishments

may be and although we talk about

0:56:250:56:29

deterrence I don't think there are

that many deterrents. They are

0:56:290:56:33

taking dope basically not because

they want to get an advantage but

0:56:330:56:37

because they look around them at all

the other athletes and presumed that

0:56:370:56:40

they are taking dope as well. This

is the only way they can get a level

0:56:400:56:45

playing field.

World Anti-Doping

Agency has become stricter over the

0:56:450:56:52

years simply because it has two and

is turning sport into a surveillance

0:56:520:56:55

culture. But they have no genuine

alternative. This is now a spiral

0:56:550:57:01

and it's not one that can be

interrupted, it will simply go on

0:57:010:57:04

and on. You are right that there

will always be cheats but you're

0:57:040:57:10

generalising, are you not, the

majority of athletes are clean,

0:57:100:57:15

aren't they?

Nobody can actually say

if they are or not. Simply because

0:57:150:57:20

doping is going on in this kind of

stand such at the moment. Athletes

0:57:200:57:23

are taking unknown substances in

unknown quantities and getting them

0:57:230:57:29

from who knows where. It's an unsafe

environment. We have to think about

0:57:290:57:36

how after 45 years of anti-doping

policy in sport, we have to think

0:57:360:57:43

about whether this is a doomed

experiment. We have to evaluate

0:57:430:57:51

whether anti-doping is legitimate

because it cannot succeed. I think

0:57:510:57:55

we have rented sport and save and I

think we have to -- we have rented

0:57:550:58:05

sport unsafe. We have to ask if it

would be safer if we allowed doping

0:58:050:58:09

in sport and just said to athletes

we want to monitor what you are

0:58:090:58:14

taking so we can do research and

advise on whether this is a safe

0:58:140:58:19

substance.

Craig, what do you say to

Ellis's proposal?

I would like to

0:58:190:58:25

believe, as a clean athlete that the

majority of athletes are clean.

0:58:250:58:31

There are probably one or two up to

no good. But if you want to compete

0:58:310:58:36

you believe it is possible to do it

clean. I think it's a bit of a

0:58:360:58:41

flippant reaction.

Thank you

gentlemen, thank you very much.

0:58:410:58:46

Thank you for coming on the

programme. The latest news and sport

0:58:460:58:50

in a moment.

0:58:500:58:56

Also coming up:

0:58:560:58:58

A special report about the strict

abortion laws in El Savador

0:58:580:59:00

and the story of one teenager

who says she's been

0:59:000:59:03

sentenced for murder

after suffering a miscarriage.

0:59:030:59:04

Let's get the latest weather update.

0:59:040:59:05

Let's get the latest weather update.

0:59:050:59:10

I welcome a good morning! What might

run the country. But today for some

0:59:100:59:15

it will be a reasonable day with a

lot of sunshine, for others the snow

0:59:150:59:18

will go on. Let's deal with the snow

from last might. Up to seven inches

0:59:180:59:23

in parts of northern England which

led to a few problems, six inches of

0:59:230:59:30

snow in some areas, there are still

some ongoing problems on the roads,

0:59:300:59:37

for others it was the strength of

the wind bringing down the auditory,

0:59:370:59:41

the strongest of the gusts here and

there, 80 miles an hour, we saw

0:59:410:59:50

winds of 60-70 miles an hour which

has caused issues. The fund which

0:59:500:59:56

brought this has now moved into the

Netherlands and they have winds of

0:59:560:59:59

mighty mouse per hour, back to

square one, with a mixture of sleet

0:59:591:00:06

and snow for some, further south,

heavy showers with thunder, bit of

1:00:061:00:11

sleet on higher ground and some

hail. Many across the South and east

1:00:111:00:16

will get away with a predominately

dry day. The bees is lighter than it

1:00:161:00:20

was for many but it's still enough

to have an impact on the way things

1:00:201:00:27

feel, subzero across parts of

Scotland, Northern Ireland and

1:00:271:00:30

northern England. To light showers

keep going over north-west Scotland

1:00:301:00:34

and northern England, a bit more

than last might have some areas of

1:00:341:00:38

the show was coming on the breeze.

Further south, clearer skies with a

1:00:381:00:43

greater chance of frost and with

temperatures widely below freezing,

1:00:431:00:46

showers and a risk of ice. It could

be a slippery start to Friday

1:00:461:00:51

morning. Driest and brightest across

parts of England and Wales, show was

1:00:511:00:56

get going once more quite widely

across the country, Northern Ireland

1:00:561:01:02

and northern England, a further

covering of snow in places. These

1:01:021:01:05

will feel much colder when you

factor in the wind. Into the weekend

1:01:051:01:11

the winds will ease, still a

north-westerly to get into

1:01:111:01:15

Saturday's sale a cold night with a

sharp frost, notice whether funds

1:01:151:01:18

towards the south which will bring a

cloudy start across the South on

1:01:181:01:22

Saturday, patchy rain which will

gradually ease, many will have a dry

1:01:221:01:27

afternoon, sunny conditions the

further north you are after that

1:01:271:01:29

frosty stop. On Saturday night into

Sunday another push of rain coming

1:01:291:01:34

from the south-west which will

affect more of us, wet state

1:01:341:01:38

preceded by snow of the Scottish

mountains, the house to egg hills of

1:01:381:01:43

northern England, that temperatures

will be on the rise, turning back to

1:01:431:01:46

rain and next week should look much

milder than the week just gone.

1:01:461:01:50

Hello it's Thursday, it's 10am,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

1:01:501:01:52

Welcome to the programme.

1:01:521:01:54

Cash for Calais, Britain

will provide an extra

1:01:541:01:56

£44.5 million to improve border

controls in France.

1:01:561:01:58

That's one of the announcements

expected when Theresa May meets

1:01:581:02:00

French President Emmanuel

Macron later today.

1:02:001:02:05

One of the announcement is expected

when Theresa May meets the

1:02:051:02:10

it's quite clear from the British,'s

perspective that they think the best

1:02:111:02:15

route to getting a good deal on

Brexit is to bypass the European

1:02:151:02:18

Commission and to get individual

countries sympathetic, on board with

1:02:181:02:22

Britain. We have all the details.

1:02:221:02:27

Also this morning -

we have a special report

1:02:271:02:29

from El Salvador where women accused

of having an abortion can be locked

1:02:291:02:32

up for 30 years.

1:02:321:02:33

The majority of them of have nothing

to do with abortion.

1:02:331:02:38

They are in fact stillbirths or

miscarriages.

1:02:381:02:43

And you'd be hardpressed to find

somebody who thinks women should go

1:02:431:02:45

to prison for having a miscarriage.

1:02:451:02:47

We'll bring you that full

report after 10:30am.

1:02:471:02:55

Researchers say testing all women

over the age of 30 for the gene

1:02:571:03:00

mutations which cause breast

and ovarian cancers

1:03:001:03:02

could save 12,000 lives.

1:03:021:03:03

We will bring you the details.

1:03:031:03:05

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news.

1:03:051:03:11

Britain is to increase

its contribution towards border

1:03:111:03:13

controls in France by nearly

£45 million, and commit

1:03:131:03:15

to taking in more migrants.

1:03:151:03:19

The deal will be

announced at a summit

1:03:191:03:21

between Theresa May

and the French President Emmanuel

1:03:211:03:23

Macron this afternoon.

1:03:231:03:26

Other commitments being unveiled

include the deployment of three RAF

1:03:261:03:28

Chinook helicopters to Mali,

where French forces are fighting

1:03:281:03:30

Islamic extremists,

and the confirmation that France

1:03:301:03:32

will loan Britain

the Bayeux Tapestry.

1:03:321:03:39

Taxpayers owe private

companies £199 billion

1:03:391:03:41

for schemes set up under

Private Finance Initiatives,

1:03:411:03:43

according to the government's

spending watchdog.

1:03:431:03:48

The National Audit office found 716

deals were currently

1:03:481:03:50

operational under PFI

and its successor, PF2,

1:03:501:03:52

with annual costs amounting

to more than £10 billion.

1:03:521:03:54

The government says both schemes

improved public services.

1:03:541:03:56

The report was written before

the collapse of Carillion,

1:03:561:03:58

which held a number of contracts,

including some under PFI schemes.

1:03:581:04:06

Heavy snow fall is continuing

to cause problems in parts

1:04:091:04:11

of Scotland and northern England,

with drivers warned to proceed

1:04:111:04:14

with "extreme caution"

while on the roads.

1:04:141:04:16

While travel warnings have been

downgraded police say

1:04:161:04:18

there is still the likelihood

of disruption and delays.

1:04:181:04:20

Scottish Borders Council

has closed all schools.

1:04:201:04:23

Elsewhere, severe gales

are affecting other parts of the UK,

1:04:231:04:25

causing trees to fall down

and power outages.

1:04:251:04:29

Some areas reported gusts of up

to 70 miles per hour.

1:04:291:04:35

The European Court of Human Rights

is due to rule in the case of 100

1:04:361:04:41

leading athletes challenging

a requirement for them to advise

1:04:411:04:43

anti-doping officials of their

whereabouts at all times.

1:04:431:04:51

The group claims the

regime violates their

1:04:521:04:54

privacy and is contrary

to their freedom of movement.

1:04:541:04:58

It disagreed unanimously. It found

that removing the requirement could

1:04:581:05:03

lead to an increase in doping.

1:05:031:05:08

There are calls for all women over

the age of 30 to be screened

1:05:081:05:11

for a faulty gene linked to higher

rates of breast and ovarian cancer.

1:05:111:05:15

Research by the Barts Cancer

Institute in London found testing

1:05:151:05:17

would prevent thousands of cancers,

and be cost-effective for the NHS.

1:05:171:05:20

Patient safety in Accident

and Emergency Units in Wales

1:05:201:05:22

is being compromised

to an "unacceptable degree"

1:05:221:05:23

according to hospital consultants.

1:05:231:05:31

Figures show that 78.9% of patients

spend less than 48 hours in

1:05:351:05:41

emergency care facilities in

December, the lowest performance

1:05:411:05:44

since March 2000 and 16. NHS Wales

says it's been a very challenging

1:05:441:05:48

winter but that things are starting

to improve. -- since 2016.

1:05:481:05:54

Lifeguard in Australia have used

drone technology to save swimmers.

1:05:541:05:59

It is the first rescue. It was used

to locate two men who had been seen

1:05:591:06:04

struggling in three metre high

swells in New South Wales. A rescue

1:06:041:06:07

pod was dropped into the water which

expanded allowing both swimmers to

1:06:071:06:11

grab it and help them stay afloat.

The drone took just over one minute

1:06:111:06:15

to reach the swimmers compared to

six minutes for a lifeguard.

1:06:151:06:19

Fantastic.

1:06:191:06:20

That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10:30am.

1:06:201:06:25

A text message from a serving police

officer about nondisclosure of

1:06:251:06:29

evidence and the collapse of a

number of rape trials in recent

1:06:291:06:31

months. I am a serving officer and I

believe the lack of complete

1:06:311:06:35

investigations into rape cases comes

down to a lack of officers. Based in

1:06:351:06:39

a small city investigators have 30

plus rape cases each of their

1:06:391:06:45

workloads. Therefore, they have an

impossible task. Many are begging to

1:06:451:06:49

come off their department due to

stress and their inability to do

1:06:491:06:54

their job and serve the alleged

victim. Thank you.

1:06:541:06:57

Do get in touch with us

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1:06:571:06:59

use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

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1:06:591:07:02

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Particularly if you have pertinent

experience like that, we feed that

1:07:041:07:06

into our conversations. You are the

experts.

1:07:061:07:17

British Number One Johanna Konta

was staying optimistic,

1:07:251:07:26

despite a shock defeat in the second

round of the Australian

1:07:261:07:29

open overnight.

1:07:291:07:30

She was beaten by 'lucky loser'

Bernarda Pera in straight sets -

1:07:301:07:33

the American only made it

into the tournament after another

1:07:331:07:35

player withdrew with injury.

1:07:351:07:36

Tennis Correspondent Russell Fuller

has more from Melbourne.

1:07:361:07:39

Arrows's performance caught the eye.

Somebody who is 123 in the world, no

1:07:391:07:45

success to celebrate on the big

stage until today, she played with

1:07:451:07:49

freedom, power and huge confidence.

Today, Johanna Konta couldn't live

1:07:491:07:53

with her. She said it was just one

of those days. Per serving speeds

1:07:531:07:57

were down. She was troubled by some

overheads, two or three shots coming

1:07:571:08:02

off the frame of the racket. There

was anxiety is spreading through her

1:08:021:08:09

game in the second set when it

looked as if the match was going to

1:08:091:08:12

run away with her. She has now lost

eight of her last 11 games, the

1:08:121:08:17

success she enjoyed in the two years

after first making a name for

1:08:171:08:20

herself at the US Open of 2015 has

morphed into a disappointing and

1:08:201:08:25

frustrating run. She says she needs

more matches and is determined to

1:08:251:08:28

work our way through it with her new

coach.

1:08:281:08:36

It's a bit frustrating.

1:08:361:08:37

But, also, I think...

1:08:371:08:38

I'm still taking good

stuff from this.

1:08:381:08:39

I'm not...

I don't feel...

1:08:391:08:44

By any means like it's

a massive catastrophe.

1:08:441:08:49

Obviously, I play every event to be

there until the end.

1:08:491:08:51

So, I definitely don't want to be

going home this early.

1:08:511:08:54

But, I think, in terms

of building myself

1:08:541:08:57

back up again and playing the way

want to, I think I keep moving

1:08:571:09:01

forward.

1:09:011:09:08

There was a better day for six-time

champion Novak Djokovic who battled

1:09:081:09:11

back from a set down in 39 degree

heat to come past Gael Monfils

1:09:111:09:15

to reach round 3.

1:09:151:09:23

Our first 'head-scratching' moment

regarding the new Video Assistant

1:09:341:09:36

referee system came last night

with a controversial moment

1:09:361:09:38

in Chelsea's FA Cup third

round win over Norwich...

1:09:381:09:40

1-1 after 90 minutes the game went

to extra time with Chelsea's Willian

1:09:401:09:43

seemingly fouled

in the penalty area.

1:09:431:09:45

The referee booked him for diving

1:09:451:09:46

and the decision remained no penalty

after being checked.

1:09:461:09:48

It meant the tie went all the way

to penalties with Eden Hazard

1:09:481:09:51

scoring the decisive spot-kick

at Stamford Bridge but all

1:09:511:09:54

the discussion afterwards

was about VAR with Alan Shearer

1:09:541:09:56

clearly not a fan.

1:09:561:09:57

You can see why I was

very doubtful about it.

1:09:571:09:59

It is a shambles.

1:09:591:10:00

Four former footballers here,

Jermaine Jenas, five.

1:10:001:10:02

We think it is a clear

and obvious penalty and

1:10:021:10:04

he books him for diving!

1:10:041:10:08

Who on earth is looking

at that screen at

1:10:081:10:11

Stockley Park and doesn't

think that is a penalty?!

1:10:111:10:17

That is why it is all wrong.

1:10:171:10:19

It is someone else's opinion,

that is why it is a shambles.

1:10:191:10:22

Get off the fence!

1:10:221:10:25

Well things were a lot clearer

as League One leaders Wigan shocked

1:10:251:10:28

Bournemouth of the Premier League

with a comfortable 3-0 win -

1:10:281:10:30

they'll take on another top flight

side, West Ham in the fourth round.

1:10:301:10:33

In the night's other game

Swansea beat Wolves 2-1.

1:10:331:10:41

A day after signing a contract

extension to stay as England

1:10:421:10:45

head coach until 2021,

Eddie Jones has named eight uncapped

1:10:451:10:47

players in his Six Nations squad

for the first match against Italy.

1:10:471:10:50

Among them is Northampton

back Harry Mallinder.

1:10:501:10:52

Injuries and suspensions mean

several senior players are out.

1:10:521:10:54

England are hoping to become

the first side to win three

1:10:541:10:56

successive Six Nations titles

outright.

1:10:561:11:02

That's the sport for now.

1:11:021:11:03

I'll be back with the latest

headlines around 10:30am.

1:11:031:11:11

Thank you very much. The latest NHS

weekly figures, breaking news. They

1:11:121:11:16

show that pressures on A&E units

have begun to ease slightly across

1:11:161:11:21

England.

1:11:211:11:25

According to these figures come up

to last on the ambulances

1:11:251:11:28

experienced fewer delays waiting

outside hospitals compared to the

1:11:281:11:31

previous week. The number of

arrogance is delayed by 30 minutes

1:11:311:11:34

fell by almost a quarter to 12,000

500. Bed closures due to the

1:11:341:11:39

vomiting bugs have also fallen. But

figures show, as you would expect

1:11:391:11:46

hospitals remain incredibly busy

with average bed occupancy rate of

1:11:461:11:51

94.9% across trusts in England. That

is down a tiny bit.

1:11:511:12:01

Theresa May will confirm later that

Britain will contribute an extra 44

1:12:011:12:04

and a half million pounds to border

security at French ports.

1:12:041:12:07

The prime minister will also say

the UK has agreed to take more

1:12:071:12:10

migrants from Calais,

particularly unaccompanied minors.

1:12:101:12:12

Well, I've been talking

to the Permanent Representative

1:12:121:12:13

to the UK that covers Calais,

a former head of the UK

1:12:131:12:16

Border Force and the Founder

of Help Refugees UK,

1:12:161:12:19

Josie Naughton, who described

the situation they're

1:12:191:12:20

facing on the ground.

1:12:201:12:25

Burgess seems to be this batting of

responsibility between the French

1:12:251:12:29

and British as to this is -- there

seems to be. The answer is answer is

1:12:291:12:34

it is both of their problem. The

response on the ground, the

1:12:341:12:38

organisations working are both and

British. This money going towards

1:12:381:12:43

security, that will not solve the

problem. What is needed is faster

1:12:431:12:47

asylum process, that is the problem

and that goes for people who will be

1:12:471:12:50

staying in France and coming to the

UK because they have a legal right

1:12:501:12:54

because they have family here. And

accommodation, so people aren't

1:12:541:12:57

sleeping outside in the cold. In

December, towards the end of

1:12:571:13:02

December, a 15-year-old boy who had

a legal right to see his family in

1:13:021:13:07

the UK wasn't able to access that

right. Our team notified the French

1:13:071:13:12

authorities about his vulnerability

and nothing was done. He lost his

1:13:121:13:14

life.

Because he was hit by a truck?

He was hit by a car. If money had

1:13:141:13:20

been spent on more people in the

asylum office to speed that up,

1:13:201:13:26

accommodation to protect vulnerable

children, maybe that wouldn't

1:13:261:13:28

happen.

Respond to that.

She is

right. We all want to solve these

1:13:281:13:35

migrants the issues, especially with

children. It's not possible. The

1:13:351:13:40

French president, Emmanuel Macron,

actually said when he was in Calais

1:13:401:13:42

on Tuesday that he would... That the

French state would now help to

1:13:421:13:50

organise food distribution. But in

the end, was very important is what

1:13:501:13:53

we do at the end of the line. What

we do in Africa. I heard today at

1:13:531:13:57

the summit have heard that the

British government would also give

1:13:571:14:03

50 million to help. To help our

countries in Mali, Cameroon, and to

1:14:031:14:10

tackle the issue. Because migrants,

we have also got to help them where

1:14:101:14:13

they are.

To stop them travelling in

the first place. Tony, this extra

1:14:131:14:19

money for security is welcome, of

course. It will be spent on all of

1:14:191:14:24

those things but will it make any

difference? It will not stop

1:14:241:14:27

migrants coming to Calais and

wanting to come to Britain?

It will

1:14:271:14:29

not stop them, whether they come to

Calais or not. We put some

1:14:291:14:33

investment into Calais years ago. It

has had an impact. We have border

1:14:331:14:38

Force control zones over there. Our

detections have dropped from 80,000

1:14:381:14:43

to 30,000.

Since that investment

when in to protect the perimeter.

1:14:431:14:46

And since the exactly.

What the

French government is doing is right,

1:14:461:14:54

they are trying to process asylum

seekers, trying to put them into

1:14:541:14:58

hospitable accommodation away from

Calais in other centres to disperse

1:14:581:15:01

and processing them through their

systems. From our point of view, the

1:15:011:15:04

best solution is to retain the

agreement and to retain...

So

1:15:041:15:10

everybody is aware, the agreement

whereby the British border is in

1:15:101:15:13

France.

We call them juxtaposed

controls but our border officers go

1:15:131:15:17

through and operate border controls

in France every day and the French

1:15:171:15:20

do the same thing in Dover. That is

preclearance, part of a multiple

1:15:201:15:25

border strategy but the best borders

in the world check people and goods

1:15:251:15:28

before they cross. That way... Quite

often electronically through data

1:15:281:15:32

Systems. That is what we're trying

to build with the French. A vision

1:15:321:15:37

for the future. Strategically

important.

1:15:371:15:44

Tell us more about the deal, Norman

Smith in Westminster.

Don't worry

1:15:451:15:53

about the alarm going off in the

background. This deal is in the eyes

1:15:531:15:57

of many British and French

politicians, and unbelievably good

1:15:571:16:00

deal.

1:16:001:16:01

politicians, and unbelievably good

deal. Because what it does it allows

1:16:011:16:03

the French to have their border

guards on our side of the channel

1:16:031:16:08

and allows us to have our border

guards on their side of the channel

1:16:081:16:12

in Calais. But there not masses of

migrants trying to leave Britain to

1:16:121:16:17

go to France although there are an

awful lot trying to get from Calais

1:16:171:16:20

to Britain so it's a pretty

one-sided deal. Some British

1:16:201:16:26

politicians are amazed the French

haven't torn and because it is just

1:16:261:16:29

such a bad deal for them. Now

because it isn't part of the Brexit

1:16:291:16:35

or EU rules, it means that when we

leave it should not be affected by

1:16:351:16:40

Brexit. It will still be in place.

The fact that we are paying an extra

1:16:401:16:47

£44 million today, I suspect many

British politicians will still feel

1:16:471:16:50

that is a very good deal. Because

very bluntly, it means the Calais

1:16:501:16:56

Jungle, if you like, stays in Calais

and doesn't come to Dover. So from a

1:16:561:17:04

British perspective it remains a

good deal which I suspect British

1:17:041:17:06

politicians will be prepared to pay

quite a lot of money to make sure it

1:17:061:17:12

continues.

How much will Brexit

dominate the meeting.

It's not part

1:17:121:17:18

of the formal public part of today

and in private it will be critical.

1:17:181:17:27

And when Theresa May and Emmanuel

Macron set down for lunch of course

1:17:271:17:32

that will be the guts of what they

talk about. It is that they will

1:17:321:17:37

reach a Dior but what will be

pivotal, I think, will be the

1:17:371:17:41

relationship that they strike up,

how they get on. And why that

1:17:411:17:45

matters is because the hope of the

British government is, at the end of

1:17:451:17:51

the day, individual countries will

cut Britain a good deal. In other

1:17:511:17:54

words, they will take a swerve

around the EU's chief negotiator in

1:17:541:17:59

Brussels and will be able to strike

a deal with individual countries.

1:17:591:18:04

And for that reason the Howard

Theresa May gets on with the French

1:18:041:18:08

president is crucial. She was a good

relationship, convivial, she wants

1:18:081:18:13

to be sympathetic when it comes down

to hard details about negotiating a

1:18:131:18:18

trade deal.

, Thank you, Norman

Smith. Coming up, President Trump

1:18:181:18:24

unveils the winners of what he calls

his news awards. In case you were

1:18:241:18:30

wondering, the BBC didn't make the

cut!

1:18:301:18:36

When we order food online, take our

car to be repaired or something like

1:18:381:18:42

that we expect our details to be

stored safely.

1:18:421:18:53

stored safely. When Michelle ordered

a meal, hurt delivery man contacted

1:18:531:18:59

her via WhatsApp and asked if she

had a boyfriend. The messages were

1:18:591:19:04

signed with "Good night baby, see

you next time I might get your

1:19:041:19:09

meal." She has since received dozens

of message with people who have had

1:19:091:19:14

similar experiences. Here are some

of the responses that Michelle

1:19:141:19:18

received on Twitter. Abigail wrote,

this happened to me before with a

1:19:181:19:21

pizza delivery guy about ten years

ago and a man who collected me and

1:19:211:19:25

my car when I broke down. Lizzie

said, same thing happened to me and

1:19:251:19:29

they just said, what would you like

us to do. It is ridiculous, I didn't

1:19:291:19:35

even get a voucher, it wasn't even

my driver who sent the messages, he

1:19:351:19:38

passed my driver to another -- he

passed a man about to another drive

1:19:381:19:43

at the restaurant.

1:19:431:19:43

Let's speak now to Michelle

Midwinter and to Hannah Galliers,

1:19:431:19:46

who also received unwanted messages

from a shop worker after taking her

1:19:461:19:49

phone in to be repaired.

1:19:491:19:50

Thank you the coming on the

programme. You and ordered your meal

1:19:501:19:56

on JustEat. What happened.

I opened

the door to the delivery guy come he

1:19:561:20:01

didn't say anything, he just stared

at me, handed me my food and backed

1:20:011:20:05

away. I thought this was a bit odd

and commented that this was weird. I

1:20:051:20:12

ate the food and a couple of hours

later I received a message saying Hi

1:20:121:20:15

from him. And then when he responded

saying he had delivered my food I

1:20:151:20:21

was shocked because I thought he had

been angry in the first place. So it

1:20:211:20:28

was quite unsettling. I put a little

exchange of the text messages onto

1:20:281:20:36

my Facebook, and to my friends and

that's when people started saying

1:20:361:20:40

they had had similar experiences.

The same guy had sent messages to

1:20:401:20:44

two people that I know. I put his

number into Facebook and said he had

1:20:441:20:49

a wife and child. I thought, this is

not harmless flirty behaviour, this

1:20:491:20:56

is quite predatory.

How did you

respond to his text?

At first I was

1:20:561:21:01

a bit surprised but I was thinking,

I thought it was a bit cheeky at

1:21:011:21:09

first and then some of the things he

said made me feel more

1:21:091:21:13

uncomfortable.

If it simply had been

funny it is still an abuse of your

1:21:131:21:20

private information. A new complaint

to JustEat what was their response.

1:21:201:21:23

First they asked me to leave a

review for the restaurant so they

1:21:231:21:30

could improve... They told me to do

that. I asked if they were serious

1:21:301:21:34

and then she said, we can offer you

a £5 voucher for the inconvenience.

1:21:341:21:41

I said, I think you're missing the

point. I wanted them to contact the

1:21:411:21:46

restaurant on my behalf and tell

them why this was not acceptable.

1:21:461:21:49

They then increase the offer and

said, we will offer you £10.

Wow!

1:21:491:21:58

Yeah! I was more shocked by the

response from JustEat than I was...

1:21:581:22:03

We got a touch with them and they

gave a statement and acknowledged

1:22:031:22:07

that the way that you were dealt

with was not good. They add, the

1:22:071:22:11

safety and well-being of our

customers is extremely important to

1:22:111:22:15

us, we were deeply concerned to hear

about this. By the restaurants our

1:22:151:22:20

platform are independent from the

JustEat business we hold ourselves

1:22:201:22:23

to to high standards and expect all

drivers are associated with our

1:22:231:22:28

restaurant partners to ask

responsibly and respectfully at all

1:22:281:22:30

times. The driver has acted in a way

that does not represent JustEat and

1:22:301:22:38

our core values. Was not good

enough?

The director of JustEat

1:22:381:22:44

apologised to me personally for the

way this is handled and said he

1:22:441:22:48

wanted to update me on the changes

they were going to implement. He

1:22:481:22:52

said they had immediately begin

retraining the entire customer care

1:22:521:22:55

team. They were also changing their

policies and guidelines and also

1:22:551:23:00

would be looking into changing the

technology so that numbers were

1:23:001:23:03

masked because they do not need the

numbers.

Hanekom halloo. A similar

1:23:031:23:11

experience with a phone shop when

you took your phone to be

1:23:111:23:21

you took your phone to be repaired

--.

It was with my phone provider, I

1:23:211:23:25

took my phone to be repaired, I got

a message the next day saying it was

1:23:251:23:29

repaired, I had never received a

message from them before. But first

1:23:291:23:32

I was polite and then the

conversation turned to asking about

1:23:321:23:36

me and my day. I thought that was

weird. Then I got a message from a

1:23:361:23:41

different number saying it was the

same person and this was his

1:23:411:23:43

personal number. Then he proceeded

to ask me on a date. I was like, No

1:23:431:23:50

and ignored his that the messages.

He found me on Facebook, tried to

1:23:501:23:55

message me on there. I ignored it. I

was younger, I did not know what to

1:23:551:24:00

do. I think that's the case, many

women don't know where to make their

1:24:001:24:04

complaints.

To the company,

obviously.

1:24:041:24:11

obviously.

I put my initial JustEat

screen chat on to Twitter and this

1:24:111:24:17

is where it got so much attention.

-- the screenshot. Many women said

1:24:171:24:23

they were either too scared to say

something, or if they did say

1:24:231:24:29

something, people would reply, he

does that all the time, it is

1:24:291:24:32

harmless.

Not only does that person

have your number, they know where

1:24:321:24:35

you live because they have just

brought food around. That's not

1:24:351:24:39

good, is it. Hopefully from what

JustEat have said, this will change.

1:24:391:24:47

It is shocking customer relations,

apart from anything else, it is bad

1:24:471:24:52

PR for companies. Those employees

need to be properly trained, don't

1:24:521:24:55

they?

Complaints procedures need to

be looked at so that these things

1:24:551:25:02

are taken seriously. And we need to

empower women to have a voice and

1:25:021:25:07

stand up for it, and call it out

when they feel uncomfortable. Even

1:25:071:25:11

if it seems harmless, it is breaking

the privacy policy and it is the

1:25:111:25:18

misuse of peoples personal data. It

is a much bigger issue than just a

1:25:181:25:23

little text message.

Absolutely, you

both. Let me bring you this news,

1:25:231:25:31

Chris Tarrant has pleaded guilty at

Reading Magistrates' Court to

1:25:311:25:34

drink-driving. This news just in.

1:25:341:25:41

Patient safety in Accident

and Emergency Units in Wales

1:25:411:25:44

is being compromised

to an "unacceptable degree"

1:25:441:25:45

according to hospital consultants.

1:25:451:25:52

Our correspondent Tomos Morgan

is at Morriston Hospital in Swansea

1:25:521:25:56

Good morning, tell us more.

In the

last few moments the A & E Road

1:25:561:26:04

statistics for Wales in December

have been revealed, December was the

1:26:041:26:08

worst winter period for A & E on

records as they began. This hospital

1:26:081:26:15

saw only 60% of patients within a

four hour time frame, it's the worst

1:26:151:26:20

performing hospital on record in

Wales. It's down from last year, as

1:26:201:26:24

I said, on both the four hours and

the 12 hour targets. With regard to

1:26:241:26:29

the 12 hour targets the target is

that nobody should have to wait that

1:26:291:26:35

long but it appears that more people

again have been waiting to be seen

1:26:351:26:39

within that time frame. With regards

to the letter you mentioned,

1:26:391:26:45

Victoria, a number of consultants in

A & E departments across Wales wrote

1:26:451:26:51

to First Minister Carwyn Jones

saying that the NHS and social care

1:26:511:26:54

in Wales is chronically underfunded.

This is a huge issue to do with A &

1:26:541:26:58

E departments across Wales. The

government says they have put an

1:26:581:27:05

extra £60 million into patient care

and do have winter plans in place

1:27:051:27:10

but clearly these have not been

enough to stem the flow. There's

1:27:101:27:13

been an increase in patients coming

into A & E departments across Wales.

1:27:131:27:18

Huge increase also in the number of

people that have been coming in with

1:27:181:27:23

influenza rated symptoms. -- flu

related symptoms. A huge increase of

1:27:231:27:32

people coming into A & E departments

and missing the Targus again and

1:27:321:27:37

performance worsening across Welsh A

& E departments.

Thank you very

1:27:371:27:41

much.

1:27:411:27:43

Still to come:

1:27:431:27:44

We have a special

report from El Salvador and hear

1:27:441:27:46

from women who say they've

being wrongly sent to jail

1:27:461:27:48

for having abortions,

when actually they've

1:27:481:27:50

suffered a miscarriage.

1:27:501:27:51

And should all women over 30 be

screened for a faulty gene linked

1:27:511:27:54

to higher rates of cancer?

1:27:541:27:55

We'll hear from someone

with the BRCA gene.

1:27:551:28:03

Time for the latest

news, here's Annita.

1:28:041:28:09

The headlines on BBC News.

1:28:091:28:11

Theresa May will confirm this

afternoon that Britain

1:28:111:28:19

is to contribute an extra £44

and a half million to border

1:28:201:28:23

security at French ports.

1:28:231:28:26

The Prime Minister will also say

the UK has agreed to take more

1:28:261:28:29

migrants from Calais,

particularly unaccompanied minors.

1:28:291:28:30

She'll make the announcement

at a summit with Emmanuel Macron

1:28:301:28:33

at the Sandhurst military academy.

1:28:331:28:34

Heavy snowfall is continuing

to cause problems in parts

1:28:341:28:36

of Scotland and northern England,

with drivers warned to proceed

1:28:361:28:38

with "extreme caution"

while on the roads.

1:28:381:28:40

Although travel warnings have been

downgraded, police say

1:28:401:28:42

there is still the likelihood

of disruption and delays.

1:28:421:28:45

Scottish Borders Council

has closed all schools.

1:28:451:28:47

Severe gales are affecting other

parts of the UK with fallen

1:28:471:28:50

trees and power outages.

1:28:501:28:52

Some areas reported gusts of up

to 70 miles per hour.

1:28:521:28:59

There are calls for all women over

the age of 30 to be screened

1:28:591:29:03

for a faulty gene linked to higher

rates of breast and ovarian cancer.

1:29:031:29:06

Research by the Barts

Cancer Institute in London

1:29:061:29:09

Found testing would prevent

thousands of cancers and be

1:29:091:29:12

cost-effective for the NHS.

1:29:121:29:20

Taxpayers owe private

companies £199 billion

1:29:201:29:22

for schemes set up under

Private Finance Initiatives,

1:29:221:29:24

according to the government's

spending watchdog.

1:29:241:29:25

The National Audit Office found 716

deals were currently operational

1:29:251:29:27

under PFI and its successor,

PF2, with annual costs amounting

1:29:271:29:30

to more than £10 billion.

1:29:301:29:32

The report was written before

the collapse of Carillion,

1:29:321:29:34

which held a number of contracts.

1:29:341:29:36

The government says PFI schemes

are more transparent and offer

1:29:361:29:39

better value for money.

1:29:391:29:41

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

1:29:411:29:49

It's half past ten and here's some

sport with Hugh.

1:29:491:29:55

There was a disappointing defeat

for British Number One Johanna Konta

1:29:551:29:58

at the Australian Open.

1:29:581:29:59

The number 9 seed was shocked

in the second round,

1:29:591:30:06

beaten by the world number 123

Bernarda Pera in straight sets.

1:30:061:30:08

Konta said afterwards it's not

a massive catastrophe.

1:30:081:30:13

The new Video Assistant Referee

system caused its first strong

1:30:131:30:15

debate last night with the former

England captain calling it

1:30:151:30:18

calling it a shambles -

after Chelsea were not awarded

1:30:181:30:21

a penalty in their FA Cup third

round win over Norwich.

1:30:211:30:25

The shock of the night in the FA Cup

though came at Wigan,

1:30:251:30:28

where the League One side knocked

out Premier League Bournemouth

1:30:281:30:30

beating them 3-0.

1:30:301:30:32

Elsewhere, Swansea beat Wolves 2-1.

1:30:321:30:34

And defending champions England have

named their Six Nations squad

1:30:341:30:36

for their first match against Italy.

1:30:361:30:41

Eight uncapped players are named

by Eddie Jones including

1:30:411:30:43

Northampton's Harry Mallinder.

1:30:431:30:49

Michelle so she was contacted by a

supermarket delivery driver "I

1:30:491:30:53

didn't tell the supermarket, it was

creepy". Another viewer says my

1:30:531:30:59

daughter had several inappropriate

text messages from a delivery goods

1:30:591:31:02

driver. 12. The manager was

dismissive. Another person says use

1:31:021:31:07

of personal data for anything other

than the purpose it is collected for

1:31:071:31:13

is a breach of data protection laws.

Take note.

1:31:131:31:16

There was no red carpet,

but Donald Trump has

1:31:161:31:18

unveiled his highly anticipated

"fake news" awards.

1:31:181:31:20

He did this via Twitter,

linking to a website GOP.com,

1:31:201:31:28

a Republican site,

listing the winners,

1:31:291:31:30

the website crashed soon

after it went live,

1:31:301:31:32

but later recovered.

1:31:321:31:33

The intro reads this:

2017 was a year of unrelenting bias,

1:31:331:31:36

unfair news coverage,

and even downright fake news and

1:31:361:31:38

studies have shown that over 90%

of the media's coverage

1:31:381:31:40

of President Trump is negative.

1:31:401:31:43

The site then went

on to list the awards,

1:31:451:31:47

essentially a rollcall

of reports that were wrong

1:31:471:31:49

and had to be corrected.

1:31:491:31:52

The "winners" were CNN,

mentioned four times;

1:31:521:31:53

The New York Times,

with two mentions, and ABC,

1:31:531:31:56

The Washington Post, Time

and Newsweek, with one mention each.

1:31:561:32:02

Taking top spot was the New York

Times's Paul Krugman's

1:32:021:32:05

opinion piece, which claimed

on the day of Trump's presidential

1:32:051:32:07

victory, that the economy

would never recover.

1:32:071:32:13

Three days later, Mr Krugman

retracted his prediction

1:32:131:32:15

of an economic collapse,

saying he had overreacted.

1:32:151:32:21

ABC News' Brian Ross

was second place.

1:32:211:32:23

ABC "chokes and sends markets

in a downward spiral with false

1:32:231:32:25

report," the website said.

1:32:251:32:27

report," the website said.

1:32:271:32:31

ABC apologised and suspended Mr Ross

for four weeks without pay over

1:32:311:32:34

mistakes in the report.

1:32:341:32:37

CNN got the third prize

for reporting that Donald Trump

1:32:371:32:39

and his oldest son Donald Trump

Junior had received

1:32:391:32:41

and his oldest son Donald Trump

Junior had received

1:32:411:32:41

an email offering access

to hacked Wilileaks files

1:32:411:32:43

during the Presidential

election campaign.

1:32:431:32:50

CNN issued a retraction,

admitting that it got the date wrong

1:32:511:32:53

and that the material was already

in the public domain.

1:32:531:32:57

Time magazine was fourth,

for falsely reporting that Trump

1:32:571:32:59

removed a bust of Martin Luther King

from the Oval Office.

1:32:591:33:02

And so it goes on.

1:33:021:33:08

At number six, it claims CNN

"falsely edited a video to make it

1:33:081:33:11

appear President Trump defiantly

overfed fish during a visit

1:33:111:33:13

with the Japanese Prime Minister.

1:33:131:33:19

The Japanese prime minister

actually led the way

1:33:191:33:21

with the feeding", the site said.

1:33:211:33:29

Next on the programme,

we're going to show you part

1:33:301:33:32

of a documentary about a teenager

from El Salvador who says she's been

1:33:321:33:35

sentenced for murder

after suffering a miscarriage.

1:33:351:33:40

The Central American country

is often thought of as having some

1:33:401:33:42

of the strictest abortion laws

in the world.

1:33:421:33:45

All forms of abortion are illegal,

no matter what the circumstances.

1:33:451:33:51

But some women say they are being

sent to jail for having abortions

1:33:511:33:55

when actually they've had

a miscarriage or stillbirth.

1:33:551:34:00

The BBC's Benjamin Zand went

1:34:001:34:05

to meet Evelyn Haernandez,

1:34:051:34:06

a teenager who says she had

a miscarriage after being

1:34:061:34:09

raped by a gang member

and is now serving 30

1:34:091:34:11

years in jail for murder.

1:34:111:34:15

Just to let you know,

this film has graphic

1:34:151:34:17

discussions and themes throughout

that some people may

1:34:171:34:19

find upsetting.

1:34:191:34:20

Abortion in all forms

is banned in El Salvador.

1:34:201:34:22

Including in cases of incest,

rape and where a woman's

1:34:221:34:25

life is at risk.

1:34:251:34:32

Since 1998, it's estimated

over 600 women have been

1:34:321:34:34

imprisoned under these laws.

1:34:341:34:36

Some are serving

sentences of up to 40

1:34:361:34:37

years for aggravated murder.

1:34:371:34:39

Even more shockingly,

I'd heard many of

1:34:391:34:40

the murder convictions are people

who have had miscarriages.

1:34:401:34:44

There was one case in

particular I had been

1:34:441:34:46

hearing about involving

a woman called Evelyn.

1:34:461:34:48

Evelyn is from a poor rural family.

1:34:481:34:52

In July, 2017, at the age

of 19, she was sentenced

1:34:521:34:55

to 30 years in jail.

1:34:551:34:58

The prosecution accused

her of homicide.

1:34:581:35:00

But Evelyn and her defence say

she had a miscarriage.

1:35:001:35:03

I arranged to meet her

mum to find out more.

1:35:031:35:06

And then what happened?

1:35:401:35:41

How did she end up in

the hands of the police?

1:35:411:35:48

Evelyn's story was hard to believe.

1:36:561:37:01

How could a woman who had apparently

had a miscarriage be

1:37:011:37:04

sentenced to 30 years in prison?

1:37:041:37:06

I wanted to know

more about the case.

1:37:061:37:08

So I went to meet Evelyn's

lawyer, Dennis Munoz.

1:37:081:37:14

Dennis is one of the few

lawyers in the country

1:37:141:37:17

prepared to work on

cases like Evelyn's.

1:37:171:37:20

They are controversial and he's been

derogatively labelled as the

1:37:201:37:22

"pro-abortion lawyer".

1:37:221:37:24

How is it possible that

a teenager, who has a

1:37:241:37:26

miscarriage, can be sent

to jail for 30 years?

1:37:261:37:29

Evelyn is an example of that?

1:38:051:38:12

It sounds like you're saying

that any woman who has a

1:38:141:38:16

miscarriage is at risk of being

sentenced to 30 years in jail.

1:38:161:38:24

So, no matter your

views on abortion,

1:38:251:38:27

whether you are for

it or against it,

1:38:271:38:29

the surprising thing

about the

1:38:291:38:30

cases Dennis represents

is that the majority

1:38:301:38:32

of them have nothing

to do

1:38:321:38:33

with abortion.

1:38:331:38:37

They are, in fact,

stillbirths or miscarriages.

1:38:371:38:39

And you'd be hard-pressed to find

somebody who truly believes that a

1:38:391:38:42

woman should spend 30 years in jail

for having a miscarriage.

1:38:421:38:45

Ricardo Parker is a right-wing

parliamentarian for the ARENA

1:38:511:38:53

political party here.

1:38:531:38:57

We'd agreed to meet.

1:38:571:39:00

Hello, how are you doing?

1:39:021:39:02

Very nice to meet you.

1:39:021:39:04

He is one of the most hardline

anti-abortionists in

1:39:041:39:06

the country.

1:39:061:39:12

Not only does he think Evelyn

is guilty, he thinks people like her

1:39:121:39:15

should be sent to jail

for even longer.

1:39:151:39:17

Our constitution in Article One

states that we recognise

1:39:171:39:19

a human being from the moment

of conception so I don't see the

1:39:191:39:22

difference between killing

a kid and killing a baby

1:39:221:39:24

inside the womb of its mother.

1:39:241:39:26

Someone like Evelyn says

she was sentenced because it was a

1:39:261:39:29

homicide...

1:39:291:39:30

Yeah, homicide.

1:39:301:39:31

But was the argument

not that she didn't

1:39:311:39:33

know that she was pregnant and gave

birth, she had a stillbirth?

1:39:331:39:36

And she killed the baby.

1:39:361:39:37

How did she kill the baby?

1:39:371:39:38

One of the cases was

mechanical strangling.

1:39:381:39:43

The other was with a brick, a stone,

breaking the baby's skull.

1:39:431:39:46

I just need to clarify something.

1:39:461:39:47

I found no evidence

that this was true.

1:39:471:39:50

There doesn't seem to be anything

in Evelyn's case that

1:39:501:39:53

states physical injuries.

1:39:531:39:54

She didn't know she was pregnant.

1:39:541:39:55

She had a stillbirth in a house.

1:39:551:39:57

She did not know

that she was pregnant?

1:39:571:39:59

For real?

1:39:591:40:02

That is the argument?

1:40:021:40:03

Have you ever been pregnant?

No, I am a man.

1:40:031:40:05

But there are cases where women have

been pregnant and not

1:40:051:40:08

known they are pregnant.

1:40:081:40:10

Yeah, there are cases...

1:40:101:40:12

How do you know that she was not

one of these cases?

1:40:121:40:15

Well, you see, go read the file.

1:40:151:40:16

The psychiatrist who had

the file told me...

1:40:161:40:18

They are lying.

1:40:181:40:19

Ricardo Parker is at the extreme

end of the abortion

1:40:191:40:22

debate in this country.

1:40:221:40:24

There are other political parties

trying to loosen abortion laws.

1:40:241:40:26

As of yet, though, there

have been no changes.

1:40:261:40:32

Evelyn's case partly hinged

on the prosecution's argument

1:40:321:40:35

that she'd avoided antenatal care.

1:40:351:40:37

They said this was tantamount

to killing the child.

1:40:371:40:39

But Evelyn says she did not even

know that she was pregnant.

1:40:391:40:45

I wanted to talk to a doctor about

this, to see what their opinion

1:40:451:40:49

was on Evelyn's situation

but it wasn't easy.

1:40:491:40:53

Finally, I found one who would talk,

but this was no ordinary doctor.

1:40:531:41:00

He was one of the very few willing

to carry out abortions in El

1:41:001:41:03

Salvador, risking 12 years in jail.

1:41:031:41:08

In a case like Evelyn,

where her defenders say

1:41:081:41:11

she had a stillbirth,

or a miscarriage, in those types of

1:41:111:41:13

cases what do you

think has happened?

1:41:131:41:21

For the past few years,

El Salvador has been listed among

1:41:441:41:47

the world's deadliest countries

for women and ranks

1:41:471:41:49

first in Latin America.

1:41:491:41:50

A huge issue with rape is part

of this, taking place both in

1:41:501:41:54

people's homes, by relatives,

and as a form of control by gangs.

1:41:541:41:57

It was thought Evelyn

herself was in a forceful

1:41:571:41:59

relationship with a gang member,

which made things much more

1:41:591:42:01

complicated.

1:42:011:42:08

El Salvador's problem with gangs

is out of control, with

1:42:221:42:24

thousands of young men

joining their ranks and living

1:42:241:42:26

by their violent code.

1:42:261:42:30

They have become infamous for their

terrible treatment of women.

1:42:301:42:34

If Evelyn was raped

by a gang member, it may

1:42:341:42:39

explain why no-one knew of

her pregnancy and why she may have

1:42:391:42:42

had difficulty recognising any signs

of it.

1:42:421:42:44

Late at night, I found a gang member

who was willing to talk to me.

1:42:441:42:49

If you were in a relationship

with a girl and she decided that she

1:42:491:42:52

wanted to leave you,

how would you react?

1:42:521:43:00

What happens if the girl gets

pregnant, if you were going out with

1:43:041:43:07

the girl, if you don't want

the baby, or if you do,

1:43:071:43:10

what are you going to do?

1:43:101:43:13

At this point, I just wanted

to speak to Evelyn myself,

1:43:241:43:27

to see what life had been like,

over the last 18 months.

1:43:271:43:31

And to hear her account

of what happened.

1:43:311:43:33

Finally, I got my chance.

1:43:331:43:34

The prison said they'd let me in.

1:43:341:43:37

I was meeting her

lawyer again, Dennis

1:43:371:43:39

Munoz, to head there.

1:43:391:43:41

Tell me a bit about the prison

that she is in now.

1:43:411:43:48

How has your time been in prison?

1:44:201:44:26

There was some report that a member

of a gang might have had something

1:44:431:44:47

to do with the pregnancy.

1:44:471:44:48

Is that true or is that not true?

1:44:481:44:55

The case was concluded

that you had killed

1:45:151:45:18

your child.

1:45:181:45:21

What actually happened,

in your eyes?

1:45:211:45:29

What do you think of the abortion

laws in this country

1:45:561:46:01

that led you to being sentenced

to jail for so long?

1:46:011:46:09

How many other people

here are in situations like yours?

1:46:191:46:27

This is a depressing story,

whatever way you look at it.

1:46:291:46:32

On the defence's side,

this is a teenager

1:46:321:46:37

who'd had a miscarriage after being

raped in a violent relationship.

1:46:371:46:39

On the prosecution's side,

Evelyn murdered her own child.

1:46:391:46:41

Her lawyer is confident

she'll get out, and said

1:46:411:46:44

there will be a Supreme Court

appeal in early 2018.

1:46:441:46:47

But in the meantime,

Evelyn will stay where she is, with

1:46:471:46:49

28 years left on her sentence.

1:46:491:46:57

You can watch the full extended

version of the film,

1:47:011:47:05

Miscarriage to Murder,

and the rest of Benjamin Zand's

1:47:051:47:08

BBC Stories series -

Cults, Gangs and God -

1:47:081:47:15

Thank you for your comments on the

collapse of rape trials. One message

1:47:151:47:21

says, please do not judge our

integrity, officers can be running

1:47:211:47:27

ten cases at a time is mistakes are

made. We are talking about this

1:47:271:47:33

today, because

1:47:331:47:35

because some of the country's most

senior police officers,

1:47:351:47:38

barristers and prosecutors

are meeting this morning to discuss

1:47:381:47:40

ways to address problems caused

by the non-disclosure of evidence.

1:47:401:47:42

earlier we heard from a lawyer who

had been defending someone accused

1:47:421:47:47

of rape, case which collapsed when

his defence team found photos of him

1:47:471:47:52

and his alleged victim cuddling in

bed.

He was arrested 18 months ago,

1:47:521:47:58

bailed, his phone was seized and as

a result information was downloaded,

1:47:581:48:03

it appeared that the downloads did

not include pictures which later

1:48:031:48:07

came to life.

And presumably your

client told you, I know that there

1:48:071:48:13

are pictures on my phone.

He did.

How come they were not disclosed by

1:48:131:48:19

the police?

Download had presumably

been completed by the police

1:48:191:48:26

officers in the case, we don't know

why these pictures did not come to

1:48:261:48:29

light but we were able to download

the pictures ourselves.

It could be

1:48:291:48:35

technical incompetence or something

more sinister, the download happened

1:48:351:48:39

and the photographs were kept back

because they could undermine the

1:48:391:48:41

prosecution case.

Are not suggesting

anything sinister but I think there

1:48:411:48:47

has been a technical failing.

1:48:471:48:54

Right.

1:48:541:48:55

You managed to get the phone.

1:48:551:48:57

I did.

1:48:571:48:58

And did what differently?

1:48:581:48:59

I got my own download

I got my own experts.

1:48:591:49:01

Thankfully, we found the images.

1:49:011:49:03

Mr Makele is also from Eritrea,

he doesn't speak the best English.

1:49:031:49:06

Thankfully, we were able to

facilitate a proper interview with

1:49:061:49:08

him and obtain all the information.

1:49:081:49:10

Right.

1:49:101:49:11

But this has been

going on for 18 months.

1:49:111:49:14

So, had the photos emerged

much earlier, this

1:49:141:49:16

case would clearly...

1:49:161:49:17

He may never have been

charged in the first place.

1:49:171:49:25

It certainly would not

have come to court.

1:49:261:49:29

I don't want to talk

about hypotheticals,

1:49:291:49:32

about shoulda, woulda, couldas.

1:49:321:49:33

It could have been the case

that this evidence or the

1:49:331:49:36

telephone could have gone missing

and he could been convicted of an

1:49:361:49:38

offence where crucial

evidence could have been

1:49:381:49:40

available to the court.

1:49:401:49:41

And he could have had a fair trial.

1:49:411:49:43

Testing all women over the age of 30

for breast and ovarian cancer gene

1:49:431:49:46

mutations could save 12,000 lives,

according to researchers.

1:49:461:49:48

Tests are normally offered only

to high-risk families.

1:49:481:49:53

The study by doctors

at the Barts Cancer Institute

1:49:531:50:00

in London suggested

that blanket screening

1:50:021:50:04

would prevent thousands

of

1:50:041:50:05

breast cancers and 17

thousand ovarian cancers.

1:50:051:50:10

One expert said it would be a

sensible move.

1:50:101:50:15

We estimate that thousands of people

at risk to not meet the current

1:50:151:50:20

criteria for testing and therefore

would be missed. This new strategy

1:50:201:50:24

offers is the chance to identify

more women at risk and offered them

1:50:241:50:29

screening and prevention and

therefore save more lives.

1:50:291:50:33

Rachel Williams is a nurse

specialising in breast Cancer care,

1:50:331:50:38

Kirsten Williams had a faulty gene

and when the surgery. Kirsten, thank

1:50:381:50:45

you for talking to us. You were

tested for the BRCA gene after the

1:50:451:50:51

death of your mum from cancer that

started as a variant. When it came

1:50:511:50:56

back positive for you what were the

conversations you had with your

1:50:561:51:00

partner and the decisions you had to

make?

We had long conversations

1:51:001:51:05

about what would happen if I came

back positive. And we both decided

1:51:051:51:13

that, once the children were old

enough to be in full-time school,

1:51:131:51:20

any prophylactic surgery that was

offered I would take up.

What

1:51:201:51:24

surgery did you have in the end?

1:51:241:51:31

surgery did you have in the end?

I

had one operation where they took

1:51:311:51:34

both of my ovaries, reducing the

chances of ovarian cancer down to

1:51:341:51:38

pretty much zero. I went for that

one first because it has the lowest

1:51:381:51:45

time for recovery, and ovarian

cancer is the one that will kill you

1:51:451:51:50

with virtually no warning. It was

what got my mum.

1:51:501:52:00

what got my mum. The other surgery

that I was offered was a bilateral

1:52:011:52:04

mastectomy. To get rid of all the

breast tissue that could possibly

1:52:041:52:09

get infected or cancerous. Which I

went for in late 2015.

Right. What

1:52:091:52:19

do you think of the suggestion from

these researchers that screening all

1:52:191:52:25

women over 30, which is something

like 27 million women in this

1:52:251:52:30

country, would save 12,000 lives and

in the long run would save the NHS

1:52:301:52:34

money?

I think it would be an

absolutely fantastic idea. Having

1:52:341:52:40

gone through all the stress and

hassle of annual mammograms and

1:52:401:52:49

scans and simply not knowing, and

thinking that every tiny bump I

1:52:491:52:51

found might be cancerous, the sheer

saving in stress alone would be

1:52:511:52:58

brilliant.

Let me bring in Rachel

Rawson from Breast Cancer Care,

1:52:581:53:06

thank you for talking to us. What do

you make of this proposal?

It's very

1:53:061:53:11

early days. I think is interesting.

And for the feature that we will

1:53:111:53:16

have a test that potentially could

help and support a lot of women but

1:53:161:53:20

we mustn't forget the consequence of

genetic testing and the fact that

1:53:201:53:25

once you have this positive test the

ripple effect that can happen from

1:53:251:53:30

that in terms of making decisions

about risk reducing surgery, we have

1:53:301:53:34

heard her difficult those decisions

can be about having the ovaries

1:53:341:53:40

removed which means that if you are

a young woman, losing your

1:53:401:53:43

fertility, potentially, losing your

breasts and everything that entails,

1:53:431:53:49

and going through major surgery

related to that, it can be really

1:53:491:53:53

hard. And then the impact that can

have on the family, and the children

1:53:531:53:57

of the person who has been tested,

the parents of, we hear many, many

1:53:571:54:04

times our helpline at Cancer care

how hard these decisions can be and

1:54:041:54:08

again how it affects people.

Unbelievably hard decisions to

1:54:081:54:14

decide as Kirsten did to have her

breasts and ovaries removed, and I

1:54:141:54:19

will talk about her children with

her in a moment. Yet if the

1:54:191:54:23

alternative is breast Cancer you can

see why there might be a clamour for

1:54:231:54:26

this testing for all women over 30,

can't you?

I can absolutely see

1:54:261:54:32

that. But we mustn't forget the

personal effect this will have, and

1:54:321:54:37

potentially on people having a

positive test.

But better to know

1:54:371:54:42

than not know?

As long as the

support is there, knowing that the

1:54:421:54:51

decisions are being made with

support.

Kirsten, you have children.

1:54:511:54:56

I don't know who few have a girl.

One girl, one by. My daughter will

1:54:561:55:05

be nine in a couple of weeks' time.

Is she aware of why your mum died?

1:55:051:55:13

She knows that my mother got really

sick and died when she was

1:55:131:55:17

one-year-old. She is sad that she

never got to properly meet her

1:55:171:55:22

rather than sad because she's died

of a certain thing. I'm going to

1:55:221:55:26

wait before explaining that.

Although at some point you will have

1:55:261:55:31

to talk to your daughter about

getting her tested for this corrupt

1:55:311:55:34

gene. One thing I have made clear

when I went into hospital was that I

1:55:341:55:41

had a slight thing wrong inside of

me that they had found. And that

1:55:411:55:45

there was a chance that when she was

older they might find that she had

1:55:451:55:48

it as well. The response to that

was, oh, OK. It just does not strike

1:55:481:55:57

that important yet.

Of course not,

of course not. But when she becomes

1:55:571:56:03

an adult and a young woman, when you

are embarking on the rest of your

1:56:031:56:10

life, hopefully falling in love and

having children, if she tests

1:56:101:56:15

positive for that gene, as Rachel

was saying, some very hard decisions

1:56:151:56:19

particularly when you are young

woman.

Yes. The University Hospital

1:56:191:56:25

and we are attached to doesn't

actually offer the testing for those

1:56:251:56:30

at high risk until they are passed a

certain age. I believe it is about

1:56:301:56:34

30. She wouldn't even be offered the

test if she went before them. I can

1:56:341:56:44

teach her how to look for breast

cancer, at best, in the meantime.

1:56:441:56:50

When you initially got the tests

back stating that you are positive

1:56:501:56:54

that the corrupt gene, what was your

reaction.

I was hoping for the best

1:56:541:56:59

yet prepared for the worst. The

second that they said it I was in

1:56:591:57:03

floods of tears. It is a natural

reaction to have to it.

And now?

1:57:031:57:16

Now? I am just glad that I don't

need to worry about it so much any

1:57:161:57:20

more. Because there was an awful lot

of stress around all of it. Once my

1:57:201:57:29

mum tested positive I was offered

early tests, and scans, and waiting

1:57:291:57:41

every few months was really

stressful.

Let me bring Rachel back

1:57:411:57:44

in. If you have this risk reducing

surgery as Kirsten has does that

1:57:441:57:48

mean that you won't get cancer?

Not

100% but it reduces the risk hugely.

1:57:481:57:55

What I think Kirsten has explained

is very important. It was a

1:57:551:58:00

difficult journey to go through but

she was able to make that choice and

1:58:001:58:03

she sounds like she was well

supported through that.

OK. Thank

1:58:031:58:08

you very much. Thank you Rachel,

thank you Kirsten.

1:58:081:58:11

Thank you for your company today.

1:58:111:58:16

BBC newsroom is next with Annita

McVeigh.

1:58:161:58:19

Have a good day.

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