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Hello, it's Monday, it's 9am,
I'm Victoria Derbyshire - | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
welcome to the programme. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:12 | |
Our top story... | 0:00:12 | 0:00:19 | |
The Prime Minister is to launch
a year-long review of how higher | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
education is funded,
admitting that England has one | 0:00:22 | 0:00:32 | |
of the most
expensive university systems. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
Also on the programme... | 0:00:34 | 0:00:35 | |
Serial paedophile football coach
Barry Bennell will be sentenced | 0:00:35 | 0:00:37 | |
today for abuse on an "industrial
scale" committed on young | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
boys in his care. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:40 | |
These men abused by Bennell told us
how important it is for them | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
to see him in person in court today. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
I will be there and I will like him
in the eye. It is important for you | 0:00:47 | 0:00:52 | |
that he is there? It is important
for me personally to get that | 0:00:52 | 0:00:57 | |
closure and hopefully to hear the
judge say... Well, hopefully, life | 0:00:57 | 0:01:03 | |
in prison. Even up to his last
second he should be shown no | 0:01:03 | 0:01:09 | |
remorse. I want to have that
opportunity to look him in the eye | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
and show him that I have power now,
you does not have that power over | 0:01:12 | 0:01:21 | |
me. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:22 | |
Micky Fallon, abused by Bennell
from the age of 13, will read us | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
part of his victim impact statement. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
Plus, will last week's Florida
school shooting mark a change in gun | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
control laws in America? | 0:01:31 | 0:01:37 | |
We know that there are mental health
issues and I am not a psychologist, | 0:01:37 | 0:01:44 | |
but we need to pay attention to the
fact that this isn't just a mental | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
health issue. He would not have hurt
that many students with a knife! | 0:01:48 | 0:01:53 | |
Three students who survived last
weeks gun attack tell us why they're | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
telling American politicans
"enough is enough". | 0:01:56 | 0:01:57 | |
And... | 0:01:57 | 0:01:58 | |
Three Billboards Outside Ebbing,
Missouri has dominated | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
the Bafta film awards,
winning five trophies. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:05 | |
It focuses on a woman looking for
justice, played by Francis | 0:02:05 | 0:02:10 | |
McDormand, who picked up Best
Actress. I have a little trouble | 0:02:10 | 0:02:15 | |
with compliance.
LAUGHTER. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
But I want you to know that I stand
in full solidarity with my sisters | 0:02:19 | 0:02:24 | |
tonight in black. Power to the
people. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:33 | |
Hello, welcome to the programme. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
We're live until 11am this morning. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
Later we will talk about an
interesting report out today on | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
employee is' attitudes to women who
work for them who happened to become | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
pregnant. According to the survey
this morning, the majority of bosses | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
think women should have to disclose
if they are pregnant at a job | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
interview. They don't have to do
that. While a third think it is OK | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
to ask women about their plans for
children, which is against the law. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:06 | |
If you have been discriminated
against because you are pregnant, | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
get in touch with us this morning.
We will speak to a woman who was | 0:03:09 | 0:03:17 | |
sacked by her organisation, a
women's organisation, when she was | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
on maternity leave. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
Our top story today... | 0:03:21 | 0:03:22 | |
Theresa May will launch a year-long
review of how higher | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
education is funded,
admitting that England has one | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
of the most expensive systems
of tuition in the world. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
In a speech later,
the Prime Minister will say | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
she shares the concerns of students
and parents about the cost | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
of getting a degree. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:35 | |
Labour has accused the Government
of simply kicking the problem | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
into the long grass. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:38 | |
Let's talk to Norman, who is at
Westminster. What kind of things | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
will be discussed, do you think,
over the next year? | 0:03:42 | 0:03:49 | |
We are told everything is on the
table except for one thing, which is | 0:03:49 | 0:03:55 | |
the tuition fee system, that is
going to stay, but the view amongst | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
ministers is that the current system
is just not working, that the costs | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
are simply too steep and it is not
good value for money. So the sorts | 0:04:02 | 0:04:07 | |
of things they want to look at is
whether they can encourage | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
universities to provide shorter
courses, maybe two year courses so | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
you do not run up such a long bill
-- such a big bill. Also encouraging | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
more students to do computer
courses, to live at home and go to | 0:04:19 | 0:04:24 | |
their local university, but of
course the big ticket item is the | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
overall level of fees, with pretty
much every university charging the | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
maximum of just over £9,000 for
pretty much every course. Don't hold | 0:04:30 | 0:04:36 | |
your breath for the Government to
put those fees, there is not likely | 0:04:36 | 0:04:41 | |
to be legislation forcing the fees
down, in part I think because if the | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
Government were to do that there
will be howls of outrage claiming it | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
was a middle-class tax subsidy. What
they seem to be talking about is | 0:04:48 | 0:04:55 | |
trying to arm prospective students
with more information about courses | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
and the job prospects they have, the
sort of salaries they have, in the | 0:04:57 | 0:05:02 | |
hope that youngsters will say, well,
I will not do that cause because it | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
is probably not going to lead to a
very well-paid job, so fewer would | 0:05:05 | 0:05:11 | |
do the course, therefore
universities might think, we will | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
have to make those causes more
attractive and cut the level of | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
fees, and they hope that way to
create more of a market system in | 0:05:17 | 0:05:22 | |
universities and thereby reduce some
of the fees for the less worthwhile | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
causes.
Thanks, Norman, for the moment. If | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
you are a student, we would like to
hear from you. What would you like | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
to hear from Theresa May today? If
you are perhaps looking at going to | 0:05:33 | 0:05:38 | |
university in the future, or
somebody who would rather pursue the | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
technical qualification side, do get
in touch. You can messages on | 0:05:41 | 0:05:47 | |
Twitter, there is WhatsApp, and
there is our Facebook page which is | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
getting pretty big now, thanks to
you! Let's get the rest of the | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
morning 's news. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:59 | |
Here's Annita. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:00 | |
An internal Oxfam report
on the sexual misconduct of some | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
of its staff in Haiti in 2011 has
revealed that three of the men | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
involved physically threatened
witnesses during the investigation. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
The charity has published
the document for the first time, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
saying it wants to be
as transparent as possible. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
Here's our diplomatic
correspondent, James Landale. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
In the wake of the earthquake
in Haiti in 2010, seven of the Oxfam | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
staff sent there to help left
because as a result | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
of their unacceptable behaviour. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:26 | |
An internal report published today
shows one was dismissed and three | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
resigned for using prostitutes
on Oxfam premises. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
Two more were dismissed for bullying
and intimidation, one of whom also | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
downloaded pornography. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:37 | |
And another man was sacked
for failing to protect staff. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:47 | |
The report says three
of the suspects physically | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
threatened witnesses
during the investigation. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
The 11-page document makes various
recommendations, including finding | 0:06:53 | 0:06:54 | |
better mechanisms for informing
other aid agencies about | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
so-called problem staff. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
This is something Oxfam
appears to have ignored, | 0:06:58 | 0:07:04 | |
as Roland Van Hauwermeiren,
the charity's director in Haiti, | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
went on to work for another aid
organisation in Bangladesh, | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
even though the charity says
he resigned for using prostitutes. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:14 | |
Parts of the reports are blacked out
to hide people's identities, | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
but Oxfam says it has given
an unredacted copy to Haitian | 0:07:17 | 0:07:22 | |
ministers, whom senior
managers from the charity | 0:07:22 | 0:07:23 | |
will meet later today. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:24 | |
James Landale, BBC News. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
Former football coach Barry Bennell
will be sentenced today | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
for historical sexual assaults
committed on young boys in his care. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
The 64-year-old, who worked
with Manchester City | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
and Crewe Alexandra's youth teams,
was convicted of 50 child sex | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
offences at Liverpool Crown Court. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
The former scout is thought to have
abused more than 100 boys over | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
a period spanning three decades. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:51 | |
The Equality and Human Rights
Commission says a survey of 1100 | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
employers it commissioned has
revealed "antiquated" attitudes | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
to recruiting women. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
The poll found that more than half
believed a woman should have | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
to say if she was pregnant
during the recruitment process, | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
and 44% thought women should work
for a firm for at least a year | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
before having children. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
The mother of a seriously ill
six-year-old boy has described a | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
Government decision to deny him
cannabis treatment as astonishing. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:22 | |
Hannah Deacon wants ministers to
approve a medical cannabis license | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
to help her son, Alfie, who rare
form of epilepsy improved after | 0:08:25 | 0:08:30 | |
taking the drug. She has pleaded for
help to overturn the decision, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
saying cannabis oil is safer for her
son than his present treatment. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
Former shareholders in the collapsed
construction giant Carillion | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
are calling for its management
to be investigated. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
Some have told MPs
that the company's | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
executives must have known -
or should have known - | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
about its cash flow problems
well before it went | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
into liquidation last month. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
At the same time, say MPs, investors
were "fleeing for the hills". | 0:08:52 | 0:08:58 | |
MPs are to scrutinise the pension
schemes at the retail | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
empire of Topshop boss
Sir Philip Green. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
Frank Field, chairman of the Work
and Pensions Committee, | 0:09:03 | 0:09:08 | |
said the move follows claims
Sir Philip was in talks to sell | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
all or part of his business. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:12 | |
Newspaper reports say
the billionaire has held talks | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
with a Chinese textiles giant. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:20 | |
A group of American teenagers
who survived a school shooting | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
in Florida have announced a national
march on Washington to demand | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
political action on gun control. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:26 | |
They say they're determined
that the mass shooting, | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
in which 17 people died,
will be a turning point | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
in the debate about guns. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:35 | |
The Bank of England says more
than £2 billion worth of old £10 | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
notes need to be spent or exchanged
in the next 10 days. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
The notes, featuring
Charles Darwin, cease to be legal | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
tender on 1st March. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
Three Billboards Outside Ebbing,
Missouri, a film about a mother | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
seeking justice for her daughter's
murder, was the big winner | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
at the Bafta awards last night. | 0:09:55 | 0:10:03 | |
It won five prizes, including best
film and best actress | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
for Frances McDormand. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:07 | |
The theme of justice and equality
for women dominated the event, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
with most guests wearing black
to show solidarity with campaigns | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
against abuse and harassment. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC
News - more at 9.30am. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:22 | |
This message from Andy about
university tuition fees in the | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
future, he suggests courses for
engineers, scientists, doctors and | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
nurses should be subsidised but all
others should pay the full costs for | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
their course. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:34 | |
Do get in touch with us
throughout the morning - | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:38 | |
If you text, you will be charged
at the standard network rate. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
Let's get some sport... | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
Sonali is with us, and there has
been drama for Team GB in curling at | 0:10:44 | 0:10:49 | |
the Winter Olympics?
Yes, there has, lots of | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
qualification events going on today
so a busy morning so far for the | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
Brits and it went to the wire with a
curling but Great Britain's men made | 0:10:56 | 0:11:01 | |
it four wins from seven. It was
tight throughout, nail-biting stuff, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
and eventually they came through 7-6
against Denmark which puts them in a | 0:11:05 | 0:11:10 | |
strong position to earn a place in
the last four, that crucial last | 0:11:10 | 0:11:15 | |
four. Just after 11am, Great
Britain's women take on Switzerland | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
after the hog line controversy
yesterday. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
Less than two years after being told
she may never skate again, ice | 0:11:23 | 0:11:28 | |
dancer Penny Combs and her partner
Nick Butler and have qualified for | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
the final. Earlier this morning they
finished in tenth place ahead of | 0:11:30 | 0:11:35 | |
tomorrow's free dance, where the
medals are decided after two | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
routines. This routine was partly
choreographed by Christopher Dean | 0:11:38 | 0:11:44 | |
who won Olympic gold alongside Jane
Torvill in 1984. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:49 | |
And there were mixed fortunes out on
the snowboard Team GB? | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
This was where the dramatic action
happened, those spectacles, and a | 0:11:52 | 0:11:57 | |
great morning for row in Cheshire in
the freestyle skiing half pipe | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
event. Her performance was good
enough to qualify for the finals but | 0:12:00 | 0:12:05 | |
unfortunately the other Brit in the
competition, Molly Summerhays, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
missed out. Huge disappointment for
Amy Fuller in the snowboarding big | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
air event. This is making its debut
at this year's games. She fell on | 0:12:13 | 0:12:18 | |
both of her attempts, including a
huge crash in her second jump, so | 0:12:18 | 0:12:23 | |
her Olympics is over. It looks like
her face took the brunt of the | 0:12:23 | 0:12:28 | |
iceberg. This is her Tweet this
morning. Took wanted the grill were | 0:12:28 | 0:12:33 | |
her words. But she say she is proud
and will keep on smiling. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:38 | |
Just one more story... Away from the
winters, Tottenham's collective ego | 0:12:38 | 0:12:48 | |
may be feeling bruised this morning,
the romance of the FA Cup evident | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
for all to see over the weekend as
the club that is bottom of League 1, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:57 | |
Rochdale, held high-flying spurs to
a 2-2 drawer. They have got a replay | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
at Wembley thanks to this injury
time equaliser from Steve Davis. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
Spurs took the lead with Kane
penalty but the joy belonged to | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
Rochdale in the end on their big day
out at Wembley. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
We knew, having gone 1-0 up in the
first half, we knew what would come | 0:13:13 | 0:13:20 | |
in the second half. Although the
players got a little bit did, they | 0:13:20 | 0:13:27 | |
responded superbly, their heads
could have gone down after the | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
penalty and I feel as though we got
a deserved equaliser. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
That is all the sport for now. Thank
you, Sonali. More throughout the | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
morning. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
Paedophile football coach
Barry Bennell will be sentenced | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
today for historical sexual assaults
committed on young boys in his care. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:45 | |
The 64-year-old was convicted of 50
child sexual offences, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
but the court heard those charges
reflected the "industrial scale" | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
with which he targeted his victims. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
The former Crewe Alexandra coach
and Manchester City scout is thought | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
to have abused more than 100 boys
over a period spanning | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
three decades. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
The scale of his abuse was made
clear after our interview with these | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
four players in November 2016,
which prompted dozens more | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
victims to come forward. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
After Bennell's conviction
last week, we caught up | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
with three of those players -
Andy Woodward, Steve Walters | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
and Chris Unsworth -
and a fourth, Gary Cliffe, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
who told us how important it
would be to see him in court today. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:31 | |
I have waited two and half years,
basically, to sit here with you to | 0:14:31 | 0:14:37 | |
speak about this. I came forward in
September 2015, and I suppose you | 0:14:37 | 0:14:43 | |
could say I have waited over 30
years, really. I myself got seven | 0:14:43 | 0:14:48 | |
counts guilty, six counts on
Tuesday, I had to wait a day and | 0:14:48 | 0:14:55 | |
then yesterday I got my final count
of guilty to make seven, but what I | 0:14:55 | 0:15:00 | |
can say to you, Victoria, is if
people think this is horrific, this | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
is not even scratching the surface.
You know and I know the real number | 0:15:04 | 0:15:10 | |
is tenfold in terms of offences and
lads affected by this. When you were | 0:15:10 | 0:15:20 | |
hearing the verdict come in for each
offence, guilty, guilty, guilty, | 0:15:20 | 0:15:27 | |
that must have been just so
emotional for all of you? | 0:15:27 | 0:15:32 | |
that must have been just so
emotional for all of you? Yes, it | 0:15:32 | 0:15:33 | |
was a roller-coaster, that day, they
did not all come in, so, you know, | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
the first ones came in, I had five
charges read out, all of them | 0:15:37 | 0:15:42 | |
guilty, the boy next to me, he did
not. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
Just a roller-coaster. None of us
could celebrate until we all heard | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
the guilty verdict. It felt as
though... It felt as though my | 0:15:53 | 0:15:58 | |
charges were guilty, perhaps
somebody else waiting on a verdict, | 0:15:58 | 0:16:04 | |
and we will all in this all
together. You will be in the same | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
court room as him on Monday, as
sentencing happens, when he is in | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
the room to hear what punishment he
will get for what he did to you, how | 0:16:11 | 0:16:16 | |
do you feel like about seeing him
face-to-face? I know I have said | 0:16:16 | 0:16:21 | |
that I want to have my day with him,
I want to look him in the eye, see | 0:16:21 | 0:16:25 | |
him face-to-face, and we did not get
that chance. When the trial was | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
going on. Monday, I will be there, I
will look him in the eye. It is | 0:16:29 | 0:16:35 | |
important for you that he is... Yes,
for me, it is important, personally, | 0:16:35 | 0:16:41 | |
to get that closure, and hopefully
to hear the judge say, life. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:50 | |
Hopefully, life in prison. That will
be the final chapter of our closure. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:56 | |
Give us the opportunity to move on.
And this man, up to his last | 0:16:56 | 0:17:04 | |
seconds, shown no remorse, I want
the opportunity to look him in the | 0:17:04 | 0:17:10 | |
eye and show him, I am over you now,
he does not have power over me. I'm | 0:17:10 | 0:17:15 | |
so pleased that I did do this,
because now, with initially Steve | 0:17:15 | 0:17:21 | |
and Chris being on the couch, and
Gary in the background, doing stuff, | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
you know, this has highlighted this,
and hopefully, it will save so many | 0:17:24 | 0:17:31 | |
lives. Because we cannot lose anyone
else. What is more important is that | 0:17:31 | 0:17:36 | |
football in general now, they are
standing up and they are accountable | 0:17:36 | 0:17:41 | |
for what happened in the past but
more a importantly, that we can move | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
things forward now. This guy, he
knew what he was doing, and he | 0:17:45 | 0:17:51 | |
rapped everyone around his little
finger. Basically. Steve recently | 0:17:51 | 0:17:57 | |
lost his mother, my father passed
away in August. At least we have | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
been able to give our parents that
release. I know that my dad is up | 0:18:01 | 0:18:06 | |
there watching, Steve's mother is,
as well, able to give them that | 0:18:06 | 0:18:11 | |
release, that they were not on their
own... They were all manipulated, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:16 | |
like every parent has been. My
mother was diagnosed with lung | 0:18:16 | 0:18:27 | |
cancer, in February, and passed away
in June. I hope that she is up | 0:18:27 | 0:18:40 | |
there, watching down. She was my
rock. It has been hard. My dad was | 0:18:40 | 0:18:53 | |
my best friend, he watched me all
the way through, never missed a | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
game, my mother and father, they
went all over the country. I know my | 0:18:57 | 0:19:03 | |
mother is watching now, she is
really proud of me, finding it | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
really hard, but I am so proud of
them and the way of the dignity, | 0:19:06 | 0:19:11 | |
with which they have dealt with all
of this, it is hard for parents. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:18 | |
There will be parents out there
suffering from this. I will say | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
something that no parent in this
country who has been affected by | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
Barry Bennell should have any guilt
or any shame, because he manipulated | 0:19:26 | 0:19:36 | |
everybody. And he is responsible. He
manipulated everybody. That was on | 0:19:36 | 0:19:42 | |
Friday. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:47 | |
We can speak now to Micky Fallon,
one of Bennell's victims, | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
who will be reading his victim
impact statement in court today. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
He has waived his right to anonymity
to talk to us. Thank you for coming | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
on the programme. Not a problem,
good morning. Tell us what sort of | 0:19:55 | 0:20:00 | |
punishment you are hoping for today. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:11 | |
Today is our day today, hopefully he
will be put away and never see the | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
light of day again. That would
probably be the perfect day, the | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
perfect ending for us, this man does
not deserve to walk in normal | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
society. You are going to read your
victim impact statement out in court | 0:20:23 | 0:20:30 | |
this morning, what are some of the
things that you will want to tell | 0:20:30 | 0:20:35 | |
the court room, and to tell Barry
Bennell? So, the impact on me | 0:20:35 | 0:20:42 | |
personally, over 33 years has been
quite devastating. From 13, when | 0:20:42 | 0:20:50 | |
this happened to me, my dreams of
being a football player pretty much | 0:20:50 | 0:20:55 | |
diminished. I did stay at Crewe
Alexandra until the age of 18 but my | 0:20:55 | 0:21:00 | |
heart was never in it, I had chances
to go to other football clubs but I | 0:21:00 | 0:21:05 | |
wanted to move home, I moved home
and I never moved away from Plymouth | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
after that. I feel like the impact
on my football career was pretty | 0:21:08 | 0:21:15 | |
damning. But in terms of as an
adult, subconsciously, what you | 0:21:15 | 0:21:21 | |
carry with you, that dirty secret,
quite devastating. There were very | 0:21:21 | 0:21:28 | |
similar stories, my personal story,
in my early 20s, I could not cope | 0:21:28 | 0:21:33 | |
with it, I turned to alcohol, it
took me two years to get myself | 0:21:33 | 0:21:37 | |
through counselling, in terms of
being alcohol dependent, and that | 0:21:37 | 0:21:44 | |
culminated in me trying to take my
own life. I don't think anyone can | 0:21:44 | 0:21:49 | |
underestimate the impact that
carrying this kind of secret has on | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
you, not just as a child but has on
you when you move forward in your | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
adult life, it can be pretty
devastating. You only told your | 0:21:57 | 0:22:03 | |
partner about the abuse you had
endured after watching the interview | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
on this programme in November, 2016,
when those former players spoke out | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
about what Barry Bennell had done to
them. When you watched those men, | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
what effect did that have on you? I
cannot explain the feelings, | 0:22:15 | 0:22:24 | |
watching, Steve, who was my friend,
before we even went to Crewe we grew | 0:22:24 | 0:22:32 | |
up together, we were mates, seeing
him sat on the Sofer, it hit me like | 0:22:32 | 0:22:38 | |
a train. -- sat on the sofa. It was
my moment to realise I had to | 0:22:38 | 0:22:46 | |
confront this, to be brave enough to
come out with my secret, and deal | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
with it, or, do I deny, do I deny
myself, and deny people like Steve, | 0:22:50 | 0:22:58 | |
brave enough to sit there, to
acknowledge there is other is out | 0:22:58 | 0:23:05 | |
there. It hit me hard, personally I
thought it was the right thing to | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
do, to come forward, and to show
that actually, the scale of this, it | 0:23:08 | 0:23:14 | |
is fairly phenomenal. The first time
you were abused by Barry Bennell was | 0:23:14 | 0:23:19 | |
over Christmas, you were staying at
his home, you moved up from Plymouth | 0:23:19 | 0:23:24 | |
to Crewe | 0:23:24 | 0:23:25 | |
his home, you moved up from Plymouth
to Crewe, Steve Walters moved as | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
well, close friend of yours, staying
there, over Christmas, with several | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
of the boys, in the early 1980s. We
can show an image of you on | 0:23:31 | 0:23:37 | |
Christmas Day, with a couple of the
other boys, that the audience will | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
be familiar with, Andy Woodward and
Steve waltzer. Barry Bennell's | 0:23:41 | 0:23:46 | |
Alsatian dog had bitten you on the
cheek and Barry Bennell would not | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
take you to hospital despite the
fact you were bleeding heavily, you | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
were really vulnerable that day,
that is when the abuse began. Yes, | 0:23:53 | 0:24:01 | |
Christmas eve, the dog bit me,
Christmas Eve morning. I clearly | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
needed hospital treatment, I was
denied that opportunity by Barry | 0:24:04 | 0:24:09 | |
Bennell, he would not take me to
hospital, took me to a pharmacist, | 0:24:09 | 0:24:14 | |
pharmacist said, he needs medical
attention, he would not do that. I | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
guess that is all part of his
grooming process. I was vulnerable, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:24 | |
13 years old, first Christmas away
from my parents, and I believe that | 0:24:24 | 0:24:29 | |
the use that opportunity as an
opportunity to take my vulnerability | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
and... As you will see from what I
have described in evidence in court, | 0:24:32 | 0:24:37 | |
that moved onto driving us around
Manchester, scaremongering about the | 0:24:37 | 0:24:43 | |
places we were driving through,
taking us back to watch a horror | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
movie, at the age of 12, with a pet
puma walking around. Come and have a | 0:24:46 | 0:24:58 | |
cuddle, you must be feeling upset,
vulnerable, that was the grooming, | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
that was how it started. On
occasion, you would wake up in his | 0:25:02 | 0:25:06 | |
house, because he was abusing you.
That was terrifying. It is | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
terrifying. I was a young boy. You
would see from the pictures, people | 0:25:10 | 0:25:19 | |
will clearly see, I may well have
been 13 but probably, body wise, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
mentality wise, I was a late
developer, I was a lot younger. I | 0:25:23 | 0:25:29 | |
was a really young boy and for that
to happen in the middle of the | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
night, I was petrified. Every time I
had to stay there, I would run to | 0:25:32 | 0:25:38 | |
the top bunk, and that top bunk, he
still got to me but that was safety | 0:25:38 | 0:25:43 | |
for me. That was safety. We have had
statements from Crewe and from then | 0:25:43 | 0:25:50 | |
manager Dario Gradi, now director of
football, suspended by the FA, they | 0:25:50 | 0:25:59 | |
say they did not know what Barry
Bennell was doing, they say it was | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
1994 before he realised what had
been going on. What a risk he was. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:10 | |
Cooperating with enquiries, running
their own enquiry. Is it feasible | 0:26:10 | 0:26:15 | |
that others at the time, other
adults did not know what a risk | 0:26:15 | 0:26:20 | |
Barry Bennell was? My own personal
opinion on this matter is very | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
clear, I think it is clear to
everyone, the scale that this abuse | 0:26:24 | 0:26:31 | |
happened throughout these years.
Access to children, I personally | 0:26:31 | 0:26:37 | |
find it hard to believe that no
other adults understood, even if it | 0:26:37 | 0:26:44 | |
was just the potential risk that
they were putting us under. I find | 0:26:44 | 0:26:49 | |
that hard to believe over the years,
that nobody even had any such | 0:26:49 | 0:26:54 | |
suspicions. We are showing a picture
of you with Dario Gradi and Barry | 0:26:54 | 0:26:59 | |
Bennell. And also other teams used
to call you, what, they would call | 0:26:59 | 0:27:04 | |
you... Yes, it was well known, we
are talking 30 odd years ago, people | 0:27:04 | 0:27:09 | |
would call us, here come the
paedophile boys... Crewe Alexandra | 0:27:09 | 0:27:15 | |
had a reputation back then for that
kind of thing, we would get called | 0:27:15 | 0:27:20 | |
that at the age of 12, 13, 14, 15,
it was not uncommon. Why did you | 0:27:20 | 0:27:28 | |
want to speak out? I sprained the
connection, for me speaking out now, | 0:27:28 | 0:27:37 | |
this is not so much about me, I am
46 years old, it happened to me a | 0:27:37 | 0:27:42 | |
long time ago, this now is all about
the future. And making sure that | 0:27:42 | 0:27:49 | |
this cannot happen again, not just
in football but sport in general, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
this type of thing cannot happen,
children need to be able to play | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
sport and be safe from doing so, and
the work with the offside trust, | 0:27:55 | 0:28:01 | |
that is one of the reasons why I
have waved my right to anonymity, I | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
want to speak out and show the
devastating effect that child abuse | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
can have a and we need to work with
the authorities within football, | 0:28:08 | 0:28:13 | |
within sport, and make sure that
safeguarding children at all levels, | 0:28:13 | 0:28:18 | |
grassroots rugby way through to
Premier League, is as tight as it | 0:28:18 | 0:28:23 | |
can be. Everyone talks about
historical child abuse, but this | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
still goes on today. Different scale
but we know it is still going on | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
today. What are your thoughts
towards Barry Bennell? I have no | 0:28:31 | 0:28:40 | |
feelings for that man whatsoever,
today is my day, and it is the rest | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
of the lads's day, I can walk into
court with my head held high, but | 0:28:44 | 0:28:49 | |
the first time, throughout this
trial, I can walk through without my | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
stomach going... All of that guilt
and feeling of being ashamed and | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
carrying that secret, today, for me,
will be transferred to that man. The | 0:28:57 | 0:29:02 | |
minute he gets his sentence and is
put away, that man is nothing to me, | 0:29:02 | 0:29:06 | |
nothing to any of the others, we can
put into one side and we can forget | 0:29:06 | 0:29:11 | |
about him. We can never forget about
the abuse, but we can forget about | 0:29:11 | 0:29:16 | |
him, he will be nothing to us. Thank
you so much for speaking with us, we | 0:29:16 | 0:29:22 | |
really appreciate it. Mickey will be
in court today to hear what | 0:29:22 | 0:29:28 | |
punishment Barry Bennell will
receive. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:35 | |
Our reporter Jim Reed has been
following this story. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:39 | |
Sentencing around midday, very
important, as has been eloquently | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
explained by Mickey Fallon, not
least the fact this, through this | 0:29:43 | 0:29:48 | |
five-week trial, Barry Bennell was
never actually in court in person, | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
having evidence by video link from
Woodhill prison, near Malton Keynes, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:56 | |
because of ill-health, he has
cancer, fed through a chew, a | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
decision was made that he does not
have too attend. His lawyers made a | 0:30:00 | 0:30:04 | |
similar argument about sentencing,
the judge has refused that, so we | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
are expecting him to be in court for
the first time today. Liverpool | 0:30:07 | 0:30:12 | |
Crown Court, fairly small courtroom,
you can imagine a lot of the | 0:30:12 | 0:30:17 | |
complainants, the victims in the
case will be there, first time they | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
will have seen in this trial Barry
Bennell face-to-face, said at the | 0:30:21 | 0:30:25 | |
start, then they will have the
opportunity to give the victim | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
impact statements. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:29 | |
They all get to go in the witness
box and explain the impact on their | 0:30:34 | 0:30:38 | |
lives with Mr Benn out face-to-face
in front of them so it will be | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
important for many reasons, not just
that reason alone. And he will | 0:30:42 | 0:30:46 | |
receive a prison term, it is not the
first time he will be getting a jail | 0:30:46 | 0:30:51 | |
sentence for abusing young boys?
Know, and the joy we did hear this | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
through the trial, this is the
fourth prison term he will be | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
sentenced to, the first back in 1994
in the United States, again in 98 in | 0:30:58 | 0:31:03 | |
this country, a gain in 2015 in this
country, then a fourth term in 2018. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:08 | |
In this case he is, the jury found
him guilty of 43 historic counts of | 0:31:08 | 0:31:15 | |
abuse, he admitted seven before the
start of the trial so he will be | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
sentenced to 50 count against 12
boys, the most serious of those is a | 0:31:18 | 0:31:23 | |
count called buggery which we don't
use these days, effectively rape, | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
but because these are historical
charges they use the old term. The | 0:31:27 | 0:31:34 | |
maximum term is life imprisonment,
we do not know what the judge for | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
sentencing to but that is the kind
of maximum sentence he could in | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
theory face. It also does not mean
that this trial is over. We | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
understand that police have received
more calls from people who said they | 0:31:45 | 0:31:53 | |
were abused by Barry Bennell who
were not involved in this latest | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
case of the investigation is likely
to go on, we don't know if there | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
will be fresh charges and
investigation, that is for the | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
future. Today is about the victims
and the sentencing of this man | 0:32:02 | 0:32:06 | |
around 12pm today.
And of course you will hear the | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
outcome here on BBC News. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:10 | |
Still to come... | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
Will last week's shooting in Florida
change gun laws? We will speak to | 0:32:14 | 0:32:19 | |
three student survivors of the
attack who are telling American | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
politicians that enough is enough.
And Hannah Jones made headlines when | 0:32:22 | 0:32:28 | |
she was 13 over her decision to
refuse a life-saving heart | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
transplant. She changed her mind a
year later. She is now 22 and will | 0:32:32 | 0:32:38 | |
join us to tell us about her life
now. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
Time for the latest news -
here's Annita McVeigh. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
The BBC News headlines
this morning... | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
Theresa May will today launch
a year-long review of how higher | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
education is funded,
admitting that England has one | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
of the most expensive systems
of tuition in the world. | 0:32:52 | 0:33:02 | |
In a speech in Derbyshire,
the Prime Minister will say | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
she shares the concerns of students
and parents about the cost | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
of getting a degree. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:13 | |
Labour has accused the Government
of simply kicking the problem | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
into the long grass. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:16 | |
Oxfam has revealed that charity
workers physically threatened | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
witnesses during an investigation
into sexual misconduct | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
in Haiti in 2011. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:21 | |
The report includes accusations
of bullying, intimidation of staff | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
and use of prostitutes,
as well as suggesting that Oxfam | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
bosses ignored a recommendation that
better ways should be found | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
to inform other charities
about problem staff. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:34 | |
The former football coach
Barry Bennell will be sentenced | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
today for historical sexual assaults
committed on young boys in his care. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
The 64-year-old, who worked
with Manchester City | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
and Crewe Alexandra's youth teams,
was convicted of 50 child sex | 0:33:42 | 0:33:48 | |
offences at Liverpool Crown Court. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:49 | |
It's thought the former scout may
have abused more than one hundred | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
boys over a period spanning three
decades. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:58 | |
The equality and human rights
commission says a survey of 1100 | 0:33:58 | 0:34:02 | |
employee of its commission has
revealed antiquated attitudes to | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
recruiting women. The poll found
more than half believe the woman | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
should have to save she was pregnant
during the recruitment process, and | 0:34:08 | 0:34:13 | |
44% thought women should work for a
firm for at least a year before | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
having children. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
Three Billboards Outside Ebbing,
Missouri, a film about a mother | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
seeking justice for her daughter's
murder, was the big winner | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
at the Bafta awards last night. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
It won five prizes, including best
film and best actress | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
for Frances McDormand. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:31 | |
The theme of justice and equality
for women dominated the event, | 0:34:31 | 0:34:38 | |
with most guests wearing black
to show solidarity with campaigns | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
against abuse and harassment. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:42 | |
That's a summary of
the latest BBC News. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:46 | |
Thank you for your messages
regarding those have spoken out | 0:34:46 | 0:34:51 | |
about the abuse they endured at the
hands of the former football coach | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
Barry Bennell. This text just says,
bless you, guys, I was abused as a | 0:34:54 | 0:34:59 | |
kid but never told anyone.
John on Facebook says, well done to | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
these men of your programme, I am 66
and was abused over several years in | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
my teens by a man who is now dead. I
had the courage to approach | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
authorities a couple of years ago
but I was ignored. I am now going to | 0:35:10 | 0:35:16 | |
go back and get the help I need.
Thanks for keeping this high | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
profile. The says, Bennell has never
shown remorse for what he has done. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:23 | |
I hope the sentencing brings closure
for the many people he heard. Now we | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
have to ask how he got away with it
for so long. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:29 | |
This is an e-mail from Stu, I am a
workmate of Gary Cliffe, Gary was | 0:35:29 | 0:35:35 | |
one of the people we spoke to on
Friday. I have known him for over | 0:35:35 | 0:35:39 | |
ten years. Just over a year ago I
met up with him for a copy. Normally | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
we would chat about sport or put the
world to rights, and Staffordshire | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
Police, where we both worked.
However, Gary calmly disclosed his | 0:35:47 | 0:35:51 | |
involvement as an injured party to
the Barry Bennell case which at the | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
time was headline news. This was
shocking and at the same time | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
explained a few things about Gary
and his lack of affection for his | 0:35:57 | 0:36:09 | |
footballing days with Manchester
City. The most thought-provoking | 0:36:09 | 0:36:10 | |
issue that has troubled me, Gary is
no different to just over half of us | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
detectives in Stoke-on-Trent t:i.d.
. White, 40 odd years old, working | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
class, a blow, not meant to be
victims of sexual offences. The only | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
difference between Gary and the rest
of us were his childhood talent at | 0:36:18 | 0:36:22 | |
football. It is testament to Gary
that over the years he somehow | 0:36:22 | 0:36:27 | |
managed to investigate the heavy
workload of serious crimes allocated | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
to him.
Thank you very much for those. If | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
you get in touch, you are welcome. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:43 | |
Here's some sport now with Sonali. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
It has been a busy morning for the
Brits in Pyeongchang. The curling | 0:36:46 | 0:36:50 | |
went to the wire but Great Britain's
men made it four wins from seven. It | 0:36:50 | 0:36:55 | |
was tight and they eventually came
through 7-6 against Denmark which | 0:36:55 | 0:36:59 | |
puts them in a strong position to
earn a pace in the last four. Just | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
after 11am, Great Britain's women
take on Switzerland. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:07 | |
Less than two years after being told
she may never skate again, ice | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
dancer Penny Combs and her partner
Nick Putland have qualified for the | 0:37:10 | 0:37:14 | |
short dance | 0:37:14 | 0:37:24 | |
final.
They finished in tenth place ahead | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
of tomorrow's free dance where the
medals are decided. A good morning | 0:37:41 | 0:37:43 | |
for Rome in Cheshire in the
freestyle half pipe skiing event, a | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
good enough performance to qualify
for the finals but unfortunately the | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
other Brit in the competition, Molly
Summerhays, missed out. Huge | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
disappointment as well for Amy
Fuller in the snowboarding big aero | 0:37:50 | 0:37:52 | |
bed, making its debut at this yea
r's games. She fell on both of her | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
Olympics is over, I'm afraid,
including a big crash in her second | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
jump, so her Olympics is | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
Will last week's Florida school
shooting mark a change in gun | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
control laws in America? | 0:38:06 | 0:38:07 | |
The attack, which left 17 students
and staff members dead, | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
was the deadliest US school shooting
since the Sandyhook | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
massacre in 2012. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:13 | |
Now students at the school
in Parkland are standing up | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
to politicians and saying,
"Enough is enough". | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
They have united under the hashtag
#neveragain and are demanding | 0:38:17 | 0:38:19 | |
for immediate action to be taken
on gun-control | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
legislation in the US. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:27 | |
Over the weekend one student,
Emma Gonzalez, delivered | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
this emotional speech. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:30 | |
there will be more throughout the
are mental health issues and I am | 0:38:30 | 0:38:35 | |
not a psychologist, but we need to
pay attention to the we know they | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
are claiming there are mental health
issues and I am not a psychologist, | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
but we need to pay attention to that
this is not just a mental health | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
issue!
He would not have hurt that many | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
students with a knife!
APPLAUSE. Blaming the victims was | 0:38:46 | 0:38:57 | |
something that was the shooter's
fault how about we stop blaming the | 0:38:57 | 0:39:02 | |
victims was something that was the
shooter's faultlet him buy the guns | 0:39:02 | 0:39:09 | |
in the first place. Those at the gun
shows, the people who encouraged him | 0:39:09 | 0:39:14 | |
to buy accessories for his guns to
make them fully automatic, the | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
people who didn't take them away
from him when they knew that he | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
expressed homicidal tendencies, and
I am not talking about the FBI! I am | 0:39:22 | 0:39:27 | |
talking about the people that he
lived with! I am talking about the | 0:39:27 | 0:39:31 | |
neighbours who saw him outside
holding guns! If -- how about we | 0:39:31 | 0:39:41 | |
stop blaming the victims? The fault
of the people who let him buy the | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
guns in the first place. Those at
the gun shows, the people who | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
encouraged him to buy accessories
for his guns to make them fully | 0:39:46 | 0:39:48 | |
automatic, the people who didn't
take them away from him when they | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
knew that he expressed homicidal
tendencies, and I am not talking | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
about the FBI! I am talking about
the people that he lived with! I am | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
talking about the neighbours who saw
him outside holding guns! If the | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
president wants to come up to me and
tell me it is a terrible tragedy and | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
how it should never and maintained
telling to be done about it, I will | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
happily ask him how much money he
received from the National Rifle | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
Association nothing | 0:40:07 | 0:40:07 | |
CHEERING. Know something? It doesn't
matter because I already know! Do | 0:40:11 | 0:40:17 | |
you want to know something? It
doesn't matter because I already | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
know! $30 billiondivided by the
number of gunshot victims in the | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
United States one and a half months
of 2018 alone, that comes out to | 0:40:22 | 0:40:27 | |
being $5,800. Is that how much these
people are worth to you, Trump one | 0:40:27 | 0:40:32 | |
and a half months of 2018 alone,
that comes out to being $5,800. Is | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
that how much these people are worth
to you, Trump?! You did not number | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
of gunshot victims will go up and
the number they are worth will go | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
down! And we will be worthless to
you, to every politician taking | 0:40:41 | 0:40:46 | |
donations from the NRA, shame on
from continuing, that number of | 0:40:46 | 0:40:58 | |
gunshot victims will go up and the
number they are worth will go down! | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
And we will be worthless to you, to
every politician taking donations | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
from the NRA, shame on you! | 0:41:04 | 0:41:05 | |
So where does President Trump
stand on gun control? | 0:41:11 | 0:41:12 | |
-- shame on youyour second
Amendment, OK? I am going to save | 0:41:17 | 0:41:23 | |
your second Amendment I am going to
save your second Amendment, OK? I am | 0:41:23 | 0:41:31 | |
going to save your second. If some
of those great people that were in | 0:41:31 | 0:41:38 | |
that club had guns strapped to their
waists or strapped to other | 0:41:38 | 0:41:42 | |
direction, aimed at this guy who was
just open target practice, you would | 0:41:42 | 0:41:47 | |
have had a situation, folks, and if
the bullets were going in the other | 0:41:47 | 0:41:52 | |
direction, aimed at this guy who was
just open target practice, you would | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
have had a situation, folks, which
would always horrible but nothing | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
like suffered this weekend.
That we all, as a people, suffered | 0:41:57 | 0:42:01 | |
this weekend. By the way, if she
gets to pick Hillary wants to | 0:42:01 | 0:42:09 | |
abolish, centrally abolished, the
second Amendment. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:10 | |
By the way, if she gets to
pickalthough the second Amendment | 0:42:10 | 0:42:16 | |
people, maybe there is, I don't
know. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
You know she is very much against
the second Amendment. She wants to | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
destroy your second Amendment. Guns,
guns, guns, right? | 0:42:22 | 0:42:29 | |
I am a very strong supporter of the
second Amendment and I am, I don't | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
know if Hillary were saying it in a
sarcastic manner, but I'm proud to | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
have the endorsement of the NRA and
it is the earliest endorsement they | 0:42:45 | 0:42:49 | |
have ever given to anybody who ran
for president. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:57 | |
So let me make a simple promise to
everyone of the freedom loving | 0:42:57 | 0:43:02 | |
Americans in the audience today. As
your president, I will never ever | 0:43:02 | 0:43:10 | |
infringe on the right of the people
to keep and bear arms. Never ever. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:25 | |
We can talk now to three students
from the school in Parkland. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
Isabela Barry lost one
of her close friends that day. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:35 | |
Sawyer Garrity is 16
and recently moved to the school | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
and knew two of the victims. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:40 | |
And 16 year old Ashley Paseltiner,
who, along with Isabela and Sawyer, | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
had to hide from the gunman
for over 90 minutes. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:45 | |
We are very grateful to you for
getting up so early to talk to other | 0:43:45 | 0:43:48 | |
British audience, thank you so much.
Ashley, I want to begin with you, if | 0:43:48 | 0:43:52 | |
I may. You heard a firearm, you
thought it was a drill and you began | 0:43:52 | 0:43:55 | |
to file out. What happened after
that? So, our classroom is right | 0:43:55 | 0:44:01 | |
across from the building where the
shooting happened. Our location for | 0:44:01 | 0:44:05 | |
where we are supposed to go during a
fire drill is right next to the | 0:44:05 | 0:44:09 | |
building, so my class started filing
out of the room, we were walking | 0:44:09 | 0:44:13 | |
across the grass towards the
building and we heard gunshots. I | 0:44:13 | 0:44:17 | |
believe I heard at least four of
them, and everything started to | 0:44:17 | 0:44:22 | |
scatter. It turned into chaos and we
ran into our classroom again. We | 0:44:22 | 0:44:27 | |
turned off the lights and we went
into the back closet, and we just | 0:44:27 | 0:44:32 | |
tried to stay quiet until it was all
over. And you work texting | 0:44:32 | 0:44:45 | |
your mum and dad, what were they
saying to you? My mum was just | 0:44:46 | 0:44:49 | |
telling me to be quiet. I kept
telling both of my parents how much | 0:44:49 | 0:44:52 | |
I love them, I couldn't imagine not
telling them again, but if something | 0:44:52 | 0:44:55 | |
were ever to happen, but they were
just trying to tell me to stay safe. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
Isabela, one of your friends died on
the 14th of February, Helena Ramsey, | 0:44:58 | 0:45:00 | |
she was one of your close friends.
Tell our audience a little about | 0:45:00 | 0:45:04 | |
Helena? She was really kind, so
selfless, she was one of just the | 0:45:04 | 0:45:14 | |
nicest people I will ever meet in my
life, and I'm just really glad I got | 0:45:14 | 0:45:18 | |
to meet her. And when you realised
she was one of those who lost her | 0:45:18 | 0:45:23 | |
life, what did you think? I started
with disbelief. I was kind of hoping | 0:45:23 | 0:45:31 | |
that she would be OK. We hoped we
would find her at hospital, but once | 0:45:31 | 0:45:40 | |
the search was over we kind of had a
feeling and we just tried to fight | 0:45:40 | 0:45:44 | |
that feeling, but we found out and
it was just, it was probably one of | 0:45:44 | 0:45:50 | |
the worst feelings I have ever felt
in my life. Sawyer, you, too, were | 0:45:50 | 0:45:56 | |
hiding in the storage room, what was
that like for you? It was bad. It | 0:45:56 | 0:46:02 | |
was claustrophobic, it was dark,
there was barely any air | 0:46:02 | 0:46:07 | |
ventilation, there was no service so
we could barely get in contact with | 0:46:07 | 0:46:10 | |
our parent and I remember the whole
time thinking, this is not how I | 0:46:10 | 0:46:13 | |
want to die, this is not how I want
to go. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:18 | |
What do you feel is the mood among
those who have survived this | 0:46:19 | 0:46:23 | |
shooting? I think a lot of us feel
like it is our duty to change, to | 0:46:23 | 0:46:35 | |
make change in the world, but also a
lot of us feel guilty for being | 0:46:35 | 0:46:40 | |
alive | 0:46:40 | 0:46:45 | |
...
alive | 0:46:45 | 0:46:46 | |
... When
alive | 0:46:46 | 0:46:46 | |
... When so
alive | 0:46:46 | 0:46:46 | |
... When so many
alive | 0:46:46 | 0:46:46 | |
... When so many have
alive | 0:46:46 | 0:46:47 | |
... When so many have died.
alive | 0:46:47 | 0:46:48 | |
... When so many have died. What
alive | 0:46:48 | 0:46:49 | |
... When so many have died. What
about you, what you want to do now? | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
The most important thing out of all
of this is that we need to get | 0:46:52 | 0:46:56 | |
justice, justice for those 17
classmates of mine that have | 0:46:56 | 0:47:01 | |
unfortunately lost their lives. For
the 14 victims who were injured and | 0:47:01 | 0:47:06 | |
stop we have two fight for them,
because they do not have the ability | 0:47:06 | 0:47:11 | |
to at this moment. And it is very
important to me and I think to all | 0:47:11 | 0:47:16 | |
of my classmates and the rest of my
school that they receive justice, | 0:47:16 | 0:47:21 | |
through reform of better gun-control
laws and more mental health | 0:47:21 | 0:47:27 | |
awareness so that something like
this never has to happen to another | 0:47:27 | 0:47:31 | |
family or another school ever again.
Do you think that this, this is the | 0:47:31 | 0:47:36 | |
watershed, this is the tipping
point, and if you think it is, tell | 0:47:36 | 0:47:42 | |
us why it is different to Columbine,
or Sandy Hook. I don't know why but | 0:47:42 | 0:47:51 | |
right now I do feel that, I don't
know why, but the uproar, the | 0:47:51 | 0:47:57 | |
ultimate support of everything going
round right now is amazing. And I | 0:47:57 | 0:48:04 | |
think that as a whole, this was a
great community to be a part of, and | 0:48:04 | 0:48:13 | |
when this happened, we all flocked
together, in Parkland, and we were | 0:48:13 | 0:48:17 | |
able to say, enough is enough, we
are not letting this happen to | 0:48:17 | 0:48:23 | |
another school or community again.
For that to happen, what has to | 0:48:23 | 0:48:27 | |
change, to make sure this does not
happen to another school? Better | 0:48:27 | 0:48:33 | |
gun-control laws. Background checks.
Maybe not even to sell automatic | 0:48:33 | 0:48:41 | |
weapons, because if anyone feels
they need one, that they genuinely | 0:48:41 | 0:48:45 | |
need an automatic weapon, they
probably don't need one! They | 0:48:45 | 0:48:48 | |
probably should not be getting one
in the first place. I think that if | 0:48:48 | 0:48:56 | |
someone did the smallest background
check on this man, then they would | 0:48:56 | 0:49:03 | |
have realised he was not fit to have
even the dainty is type of gun. What | 0:49:03 | 0:49:11 | |
do you want to see change to
specifically? I believe that there | 0:49:11 | 0:49:16 | |
should be better background checks,
and I wish that the entire country | 0:49:16 | 0:49:23 | |
was on the same pains as us. --
daintiest. I understand some people | 0:49:23 | 0:49:30 | |
think that we are infringing on
their second Amendment rights, we | 0:49:30 | 0:49:34 | |
are not trying to take away their
handguns or protection, just | 0:49:34 | 0:49:38 | |
stricter and, you know, common-sense
laws to be placed. -- I wish that | 0:49:38 | 0:49:44 | |
the entire country was on the same
page as us. Laws so that people who | 0:49:44 | 0:49:49 | |
have dangerous records, homicidal
thoughts, so that they will not be | 0:49:49 | 0:49:53 | |
able to get their hands on a
semiautomatic rifle that can kill so | 0:49:53 | 0:49:55 | |
many people! This has been said
before, there are many messages from | 0:49:55 | 0:50:02 | |
the audience, who are praising your
eloquence and dignity and your | 0:50:02 | 0:50:08 | |
bravery this morning, Leo says this,
all these children who go to these | 0:50:08 | 0:50:14 | |
college schools should boycott them,
that would make your government | 0:50:14 | 0:50:19 | |
listen, actions speak louder than
words, unite and holds tight and | 0:50:19 | 0:50:24 | |
boycott school and then your voices
will be heard, what you say to that? | 0:50:24 | 0:50:29 | |
I feel that that is probably a good
way to get things done, I know that | 0:50:29 | 0:50:34 | |
there has been talk around my
community about having specific | 0:50:34 | 0:50:38 | |
dates, calling it a walk-out, where
we will not attend school until | 0:50:38 | 0:50:43 | |
things change. I have many
classmates of mine who feel the same | 0:50:43 | 0:50:47 | |
way, who will not be attending
school in the next week that we go | 0:50:47 | 0:50:52 | |
back, and I think that it will
really bring a lot of attention to | 0:50:52 | 0:50:56 | |
this. On Tuesday, many of you are
going, about 100 of you are going to | 0:50:56 | 0:51:05 | |
Tallahassee, tell us what you are
going there, what will you be doing? | 0:51:05 | 0:51:11 | |
We are going to a meeting with
representatives, in Tallahassee, | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
from our government, and we are
going to split up into groups of | 0:51:14 | 0:51:18 | |
kids and we are all going to speak
to them about what we want, and what | 0:51:18 | 0:51:24 | |
we want to change, and all the
things that need to be said, | 0:51:24 | 0:51:29 | |
face-to-face. Thank you for speaking
with us. Thank you for speaking to | 0:51:29 | 0:51:40 | |
this British audience. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:43 | |
After ten o'clock, we will be
talking about the cost of higher | 0:51:52 | 0:51:56 | |
education in England. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:58 | |
When Hannah Jones was 13 years
old she made national headlines | 0:52:01 | 0:52:04 | |
over her decision to refuse
a life-saving heart transplant, | 0:52:04 | 0:52:06 | |
giving herself the right to die. | 0:52:06 | 0:52:08 | |
Hannah had spent so much
of her childhood in hospitals | 0:52:08 | 0:52:10 | |
being treated for leukaemia
that she simply could not | 0:52:10 | 0:52:12 | |
face any more treatment. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:20 | |
It says somewhere that if you have a
heart transplant, you have to have | 0:52:20 | 0:52:23 | |
one and then go back and have
another one in ten years, not | 0:52:23 | 0:52:27 | |
another stay in hospital, I thought,
it is not worth it, and that made me | 0:52:27 | 0:52:31 | |
think, no thanks. I thought it was
not worth it. I have had enough. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:42 | |
Just after her 14th birthday, to
change the mind, she had the heart | 0:52:42 | 0:52:45 | |
transplant. Now, at the age of 22,
she's here to talk to us about that | 0:52:45 | 0:52:51 | |
life-saving change of heart. You are
well, you have had a recent checkup. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:56 | |
Nine years this summer everything is
going fine. Nine years, my goodness. | 0:52:56 | 0:53:04 | |
You were five years old when you
were diagnosed with leukaemia. How | 0:53:04 | 0:53:07 | |
much do you remember about the
treatment that was involved then as | 0:53:07 | 0:53:12 | |
you were growing up? | 0:53:12 | 0:53:17 | |
They class chemotherapy as a cure
for leukaemia, trying everything and | 0:53:17 | 0:53:21 | |
anything they could to make me well,
I remember being ill as a well and | 0:53:21 | 0:53:25 | |
every day was in hospital, same
thing every day, I understand they | 0:53:25 | 0:53:28 | |
were trying to make me better, doing
everything in my best interest but I | 0:53:28 | 0:53:32 | |
realised I was not a normal child
and that was probably how my life | 0:53:32 | 0:53:35 | |
would be. How did the leukaemia
damage your heart? It was working at | 0:53:35 | 0:53:42 | |
20 of 30% of a normal heart, I could
not keep up with my peers, I missed | 0:53:42 | 0:53:47 | |
a lot of my schooling, I was not
having a normal life. Thinking back | 0:53:47 | 0:53:54 | |
to your decision to refuse the heart
transplant as a 13-year-old, what do | 0:53:54 | 0:53:57 | |
you think of your 13-year-old self?
I think that I was incredibly brave, | 0:53:57 | 0:54:02 | |
maybe slightly naive but I think it
was very brave to go against all | 0:54:02 | 0:54:06 | |
those people who said, you should go
and have that will stop looking back | 0:54:06 | 0:54:10 | |
on it, I knew what was the best
thing for me, that was the only | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
thing that mattered. Because too
much of your life had been spent in | 0:54:13 | 0:54:18 | |
hospitals? Same for walls, doing the
same thing every day, at some point | 0:54:18 | 0:54:22 | |
you have to say, no. -- same four
walls. One of the things that made | 0:54:22 | 0:54:29 | |
you change your mind which your
desire to go to your school prom. I | 0:54:29 | 0:54:35 | |
wanted the big dress, the tiara, the
hair, the make up, I wanted to | 0:54:35 | 0:54:39 | |
finish off my high school life,
although I had not been there for | 0:54:39 | 0:54:42 | |
all of it, I wanted to experience it
with all my friends. Indeed, you did | 0:54:42 | 0:54:46 | |
make it, after the operation. It was
not long until after I had it and I | 0:54:46 | 0:54:54 | |
thought, I am here, it was a great
feeling. How do you reflect on the | 0:54:54 | 0:54:59 | |
fact that your story became national
news headlines, it was massive? I | 0:54:59 | 0:55:05 | |
cannot believe it went that far, I
thought I was ordinary until I saw | 0:55:05 | 0:55:10 | |
my face on television, and I
thought, maybe someone has taken | 0:55:10 | 0:55:13 | |
notice. Up until then I thought I
was a normal child. We will play | 0:55:13 | 0:55:20 | |
this clip, you were grappling with
the decision, you said you wanted it | 0:55:20 | 0:55:28 | |
but you were grappling with it. I
did a 360 there. Obviously people | 0:55:28 | 0:55:39 | |
will still be asking me, do you want
this, what is your decision? I don't | 0:55:39 | 0:55:43 | |
know... It is not an easy decision
to make. And I will fight anybody | 0:55:43 | 0:55:51 | |
who says it is, because it is not.
Nobody should have to make it. Not | 0:55:51 | 0:55:58 | |
even a person as young as me should
have to make it, nobody should have | 0:55:58 | 0:56:02 | |
to make it. You were smiling then
but that is a real, that is really | 0:56:02 | 0:56:10 | |
illustrative of how much pressure
you were under. Really is, yes and | 0:56:10 | 0:56:13 | |
looking back I was thinking, I was
so young, so little, how did I make | 0:56:13 | 0:56:18 | |
that decision in the end? Do you
remember the surgeons, the surgeon | 0:56:18 | 0:56:23 | |
who did it? I do, and on the day,
the day he was due to go on holiday, | 0:56:23 | 0:56:29 | |
getting on a flight, he got the call
to say there was a heart for me, he | 0:56:29 | 0:56:34 | |
decided to not go on holiday and
instead do the transplant. We will | 0:56:34 | 0:56:38 | |
bring him in, he is here. I hope he
is here, here he comes. Hello, good | 0:56:38 | 0:56:46 | |
morning, how are you? Come in. You
may remember Hannah. We have not | 0:56:46 | 0:56:57 | |
seen each other in a long time.
Since surgery. I am speechless. Not | 0:56:57 | 0:57:03 | |
a good thing on live television!
LAUGHTER | 0:57:03 | 0:57:07 | |
Amazing. I just want to say, thank
you. You change your mind, with that | 0:57:07 | 0:57:15 | |
decision, you changed your life.
Amazing. Ten years. Nearly, I can't | 0:57:15 | 0:57:22 | |
believe it, looking back now, I
think, I have grown up so much. | 0:57:22 | 0:57:27 | |
Having a transplant, when you came
to see me, I was thinking, this has | 0:57:27 | 0:57:31 | |
actually changed my life and it is
because of you that I am here today. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:36 | |
It is almost like a dream that comes
true. Because I remember, you had a | 0:57:36 | 0:57:44 | |
heart transplant, a piggyback
transplant when you were a baby, for | 0:57:44 | 0:57:46 | |
severe heart failure, | 0:57:46 | 0:57:50 | |
I recall that you have convocations
developed relating to the heart | 0:57:55 | 0:58:03 | |
transplantation, but we figured out
what the problem was, and we took | 0:58:03 | 0:58:07 | |
the decision to remove the diseased
donor's heart, and the operation | 0:58:07 | 0:58:15 | |
went well, and you had a normal life
with your own heart will stop with | 0:58:15 | 0:58:21 | |
no medications. And now you have
graduated! What more does a heart | 0:58:21 | 0:58:30 | |
surgeon want! LAUGHTER
So interesting to hear you speak | 0:58:30 | 0:58:34 | |
about this in the way you are
talking about it, I don't now how | 0:58:34 | 0:58:37 | |
often you would see a patient ten
years after the event, a patient | 0:58:37 | 0:58:42 | |
clearly happy and thriving and well.
That is why you do it. It is a | 0:58:42 | 0:58:51 | |
privilege to be able to deliver this
sort of service, and it is quite an | 0:58:51 | 0:58:55 | |
honour to be able to do this sort of
work at Great Ormond Street | 0:58:55 | 0:58:59 | |
Hospital. I think you are a very
good example, we are building a very | 0:58:59 | 0:59:05 | |
successful transplant programme on
top of a very successful baby heart | 0:59:05 | 0:59:08 | |
surgery programme, the two go
together hand-in-hand. You are a | 0:59:08 | 0:59:13 | |
perfect example. For ten years, the
results of transplantation have | 0:59:13 | 0:59:19 | |
improved a lot. And we have better
drugs to deal with the complications | 0:59:19 | 0:59:25 | |
that we need. We still have a major
problem. The problem is the | 0:59:25 | 0:59:34 | |
limitation in the donor
availability. Absolutely. I think | 0:59:34 | 0:59:38 | |
your programme is very useful, at
least we are talking about it. We | 0:59:38 | 0:59:47 | |
are paying attention to the problem.
I hope that message will get across | 0:59:47 | 0:59:52 | |
to the population, we need support,
because we get a lot more patients | 0:59:52 | 0:59:57 | |
now waiting for the transplant
because it has been very successful. | 0:59:57 | 1:00:04 | |
Thank you both, thank you very much,
nice to see you reunited since the | 1:00:04 | 1:00:08 | |
operation. I know that you are
extremely busy, we are grateful for | 1:00:08 | 1:00:13 | |
your time, but I know that you
wanted to come to see Hannah. It is | 1:00:13 | 1:00:19 | |
amazing. | 1:00:19 | 1:00:20 | |
We will bring the latest news and
sport in a moment but first the | 1:00:26 | 1:00:29 | |
weather. | 1:00:29 | 1:00:30 | |
After what has been a cold few
weeks, we started the day frost free | 1:00:33 | 1:00:38 | |
across just about all of the UK. But
it is a week of change, it will turn | 1:00:38 | 1:00:44 | |
a bit colder but also become drier
because for the moment it is fairly | 1:00:44 | 1:00:48 | |
damp out there, outbreaks of rain
and drizzle continued through parts | 1:00:48 | 1:00:52 | |
of Scotland and Central eastern
England at the moment, cloud | 1:00:52 | 1:00:55 | |
breaking up to allow some sunshine
through, generally a fairly cloudy | 1:00:55 | 1:00:58 | |
day but a bit of sunshine and it
almost feels like spring is upon us, | 1:00:58 | 1:01:02 | |
temperatures up to 13, maybe 14 in
some spots. Always cooler in the | 1:01:02 | 1:01:06 | |
eastern areas with the rain, and
this evening Northern Ireland and | 1:01:06 | 1:01:11 | |
Scotland will see a spell of rain
from West to east for a time, a few | 1:01:11 | 1:01:14 | |
splashes of rain and the wettest
weather in eastern Scotland, Eastern | 1:01:14 | 1:01:19 | |
counties of England. Later on the
skies were clear to the west, | 1:01:19 | 1:01:23 | |
temperatures will drop, there could
be some frost tomorrow morning but | 1:01:23 | 1:01:25 | |
most will be frost free, a vastly
brighter day through much of | 1:01:25 | 1:01:30 | |
Scotland, Northern Ireland, western
England and Wales, good sunny spells | 1:01:30 | 1:01:33 | |
throughout, eastern England staying
cloudy and across parts of East | 1:01:33 | 1:01:37 | |
Yorkshire, Lincolnshire, East Anglia
into the south-east, further rain or | 1:01:37 | 1:01:40 | |
drizzle at times but it stays mild,
things are on the change, the | 1:01:40 | 1:01:44 | |
weather trend showed us nicely
through the rest of the week, | 1:01:44 | 1:01:49 | |
temperatures dropping as a strong
easterly wind picks up. We will keep | 1:01:49 | 1:01:52 | |
you updated, goodbye for now. | 1:01:52 | 1:01:55 | |
Hello, it's Monday, it's 10am,
I'm Victoria Derbyshire. | 1:02:02 | 1:02:04 | |
Our top story... | 1:02:04 | 1:02:05 | |
Theresa May is to launch a year-long
review of how higher | 1:02:05 | 1:02:07 | |
Theresa May is to launch a year-long
review of how higher | 1:02:07 | 1:02:07 | |
Theresa May is to launch a year-long
review of how higher | 1:02:08 | 1:02:08 | |
education is funded,
admitting that England has one | 1:02:08 | 1:02:10 | |
of the most expensive
university systems. | 1:02:10 | 1:02:11 | |
The Education Secretary Damian Hinds
says thieves need to be addressed. | 1:02:11 | 1:02:13 | |
The average fee is something like
£9,000, very close to the top. We | 1:02:13 | 1:02:20 | |
want to see more variety on that. | 1:02:20 | 1:02:21 | |
We'll be speaking to students
and politicians about the cost | 1:02:21 | 1:02:24 | |
of higher education. | 1:02:24 | 1:02:25 | |
Also on the programme... | 1:02:25 | 1:02:26 | |
Serial paedophile football coach
Barry Bennell will be sentenced | 1:02:26 | 1:02:28 | |
today for abuse of dozens of boy
on an "industrial scale". | 1:02:28 | 1:02:37 | |
Micky Fallon, who was abused by Ben
Els from the age of 13, told us what | 1:02:37 | 1:02:42 | |
a devastating impact it has had on
his life. I could not cope with it, | 1:02:42 | 1:02:47 | |
I turned to alcohol, took me two
years to get myself some counselling | 1:02:47 | 1:02:51 | |
in terms of being alcohol dependent,
and that accumulated in me trying to | 1:02:51 | 1:02:56 | |
take my own life at one stage.
We will be live outside Liverpool | 1:02:56 | 1:02:59 | |
Crown Court before 11am. | 1:02:59 | 1:03:08 | |
And Three Billboards Outside Ebbing,
Missouri has dominated the BAFTA | 1:03:08 | 1:03:11 | |
film awards, winning five trophies. | 1:03:11 | 1:03:14 | |
It focuses on a woman
looking for justice, | 1:03:14 | 1:03:18 | |
played by Frances McDormand,
who picked up Best Actress. | 1:03:18 | 1:03:22 | |
I have a little trouble with
compliance. But I want you to know | 1:03:23 | 1:03:28 | |
that I stand in full solidarity with
my sisters tonight in black. Power | 1:03:28 | 1:03:31 | |
to the people. | 1:03:31 | 1:03:42 | |
Here's Annita McVeigh
in the BBC Newsroom | 1:03:47 | 1:03:49 | |
with a summary of today's news. | 1:03:49 | 1:03:51 | |
Theresa May will today launch
a year-long review of how | 1:03:51 | 1:03:53 | |
higher education is funded,
admitting that England has one | 1:03:53 | 1:03:55 | |
of the most expensive systems
of tuition in the world. | 1:03:55 | 1:03:58 | |
In a speech in Derbyshire,
the Prime Minister will say | 1:03:58 | 1:04:00 | |
she shares the concerns of students
and parents about the cost | 1:04:00 | 1:04:03 | |
of getting a degree. | 1:04:03 | 1:04:06 | |
Labour has accused the government
of simply kicking the problem | 1:04:06 | 1:04:09 | |
into the long grass. | 1:04:09 | 1:04:10 | |
Oxfam has revealed that
charity workers physically | 1:04:10 | 1:04:11 | |
threatened witnesses
during an investigation into sexual | 1:04:11 | 1:04:13 | |
misconduct in Haiti in 2011. | 1:04:13 | 1:04:16 | |
The report includes accusations
of bullying, intimidation of staff | 1:04:16 | 1:04:18 | |
and use of prostitutes,
as well as suggesting that Oxfam | 1:04:18 | 1:04:21 | |
bosses ignored a recommendation that
better ways should be found | 1:04:21 | 1:04:23 | |
to inform other charities
about problem staff. | 1:04:23 | 1:04:33 | |
The former football
coach Barry Bennell | 1:04:43 | 1:04:44 | |
will be sentenced today
for historical sexual assaults | 1:04:44 | 1:04:46 | |
committed on young boys in his care. | 1:04:46 | 1:04:49 | |
The 64-year-old, who worked
with Manchester City | 1:04:49 | 1:04:51 | |
and Crewe Alexandra's youth teams,
was convicted of 50 child sex | 1:04:51 | 1:04:53 | |
offences at Liverpool Crown Court. | 1:04:53 | 1:04:58 | |
over a period spanning
three decades. | 1:04:58 | 1:05:03 | |
The Equality and Human
Rights Commission says | 1:05:03 | 1:05:06 | |
a survey of 100 employers it
commissioned has revealed | 1:05:06 | 1:05:08 | |
"antiquated" attitudes
to recruiting women. | 1:05:08 | 1:05:09 | |
The poll found that more than half
believed a woman should | 1:05:09 | 1:05:12 | |
have to say if she was pregnant
during the recruitment process, | 1:05:12 | 1:05:18 | |
and 44% thought women should work
for a firm for at least a year | 1:05:18 | 1:05:21 | |
before having children. | 1:05:21 | 1:05:25 | |
The mother of a seriously ill
six-year-old boy has described the | 1:05:25 | 1:05:28 | |
decision not to allow him to use
medically license cannabis is | 1:05:28 | 1:05:35 | |
astonishing. She has pleaded for
help to overturn the decision, | 1:05:35 | 1:05:38 | |
saying cannabis oil is safer for her
son and his present treatment. | 1:05:38 | 1:05:42 | |
A group of American teenagers who
survived a school shooting in | 1:05:42 | 1:05:46 | |
Florida has announced a national
march on Washington to demand | 1:05:46 | 1:05:50 | |
political action on gun control.
They said they are determined that | 1:05:50 | 1:05:54 | |
the mass shooting in which 17 people
died will be a turning point in the | 1:05:54 | 1:05:58 | |
debate about guns.
Former shareholders in collapsed | 1:05:58 | 1:06:02 | |
construction giant Carillion are
calling for its management to be | 1:06:02 | 1:06:05 | |
investigated. Some have told MPs
that the company's executives lost | 1:06:05 | 1:06:09 | |
or should have known about its cash
flow problems well before it went | 1:06:09 | 1:06:12 | |
into liquidation last month. At the
same time, say MPs, investors were | 1:06:12 | 1:06:17 | |
fleeing for the hills. | 1:06:17 | 1:06:24 | |
Three Billboards Outside
Ebbing, Missouri, | 1:06:24 | 1:06:25 | |
a film about a mother seeking
justice for her daughter's | 1:06:25 | 1:06:28 | |
murder, was the big winner
at the Bafta awards last night. | 1:06:28 | 1:06:30 | |
It won five prizes including best
film and best actress | 1:06:30 | 1:06:33 | |
for Frances McDormand. | 1:06:33 | 1:06:34 | |
The theme of justice and equality
for women dominated the event, | 1:06:34 | 1:06:36 | |
with most guests wearing black
to show solidarity with campaigns | 1:06:36 | 1:06:39 | |
against abuse and harassment. | 1:06:39 | 1:06:45 | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC
News - more at 10.30am. | 1:06:45 | 1:06:49 | |
Thank you. Messages from you about
our interview with survivors of the | 1:06:49 | 1:06:58 | |
shooting in Florida last week. We
spoke to 316-year-olds who described | 1:06:58 | 1:07:02 | |
with calm eloquence how terrifying
it was and that they want to see | 1:07:02 | 1:07:05 | |
change. Audrey says, this is
heartbreaking, young children cut | 1:07:05 | 1:07:09 | |
down senselessly, no question that
gun laws in the US need to change. | 1:07:09 | 1:07:13 | |
Brave girl for speaking out, you are
the voices that need to be listened | 1:07:13 | 1:07:17 | |
to.
Chuck says, congratulations, Donald | 1:07:17 | 1:07:18 | |
Trump, you have created the first
generation of citizens who will | 1:07:18 | 1:07:24 | |
amend your ridiculous gun laws.
Another says, when the second | 1:07:24 | 1:07:28 | |
Amendment was written it was on
people had muskets, not military | 1:07:28 | 1:07:32 | |
grade or two presence. America will
never ban the ownership of weapons | 1:07:32 | 1:07:35 | |
because it is written into the law.
This from Josh, I will never fully | 1:07:35 | 1:07:41 | |
understand | 1:07:41 | 1:07:42 | |
guns.
Thank you for those. | 1:07:42 | 1:07:52 | |
Let's get some sport with Sarah.
The Winter Olympics went down to the | 1:07:58 | 1:08:03 | |
wire, Great Britain's men needed
four wins from seven in the curling | 1:08:03 | 1:08:07 | |
and it was tight throughout but
eventually they came through 7-6 | 1:08:07 | 1:08:11 | |
against Denmark which puts them in a
very strong position to earn a place | 1:08:11 | 1:08:14 | |
in the last four. Just after 11am,
GB's women will take on Switzerland, | 1:08:14 | 1:08:20 | |
that is after the hog line
controversy yesterday so we will see | 1:08:20 | 1:08:23 | |
how they get on.
Less than two years after being told | 1:08:23 | 1:08:28 | |
she may never skate again after a
very nasty knee injury, shattered in | 1:08:28 | 1:08:34 | |
eight places, I dancer Penny Combs
and her partner Nick Bjorklund have | 1:08:34 | 1:08:38 | |
qualified for the short dance final.
Earlier this morning, this was their | 1:08:38 | 1:08:42 | |
routine, finishing tenth place ahead
of tomorrow's free dance where the | 1:08:42 | 1:08:47 | |
medals are decided after two
routines. Christopher Dean, who won | 1:08:47 | 1:08:52 | |
Olympic gold alongside Jane Torvill
back in 1984, helped choreograph | 1:08:52 | 1:08:56 | |
this routine.
It was a good morning for Rowan | 1:08:56 | 1:09:02 | |
Cheshire in the freestyle skiing
half pipe. Her performance was good | 1:09:02 | 1:09:05 | |
enough to see her qualify for the
finals. Unfortunately, though, the | 1:09:05 | 1:09:10 | |
other Brit in the competition, Molly
Summerhays, missed out. | 1:09:10 | 1:09:15 | |
There was huge disappointment as
well for Amy Fuller in the | 1:09:15 | 1:09:18 | |
snowboarding big error event. This
is making its debut at the games | 1:09:18 | 1:09:23 | |
this year. Fuller fell on both
attempts, including that big crush | 1:09:23 | 1:09:27 | |
on her second jump. Unfortunately,
her Olympics is over. And it looks | 1:09:27 | 1:09:33 | |
like her face took the brunt of that
iceberg, this was her Tweet this | 1:09:33 | 1:09:37 | |
morning...
Snowboarding parlance there! Away | 1:09:37 | 1:09:44 | |
from the winters, Tottenham's
collective ego may be feeling | 1:09:44 | 1:09:47 | |
bruised this morning, the romance of
the FA Cup evident for all to see | 1:09:47 | 1:09:51 | |
over the weekend as the club at the
bottom of League 1, Rochdale, held | 1:09:51 | 1:09:59 | |
high-flying spurs to a 2-2 draw.
They have bagged a replay at Wembley | 1:09:59 | 1:10:02 | |
thanks to an injury time equaliser
from Steve Davies. Spurs took the | 1:10:02 | 1:10:06 | |
lead through a Harry Kane penalty
but the joy belonged to Rochdale. | 1:10:06 | 1:10:10 | |
Their fans, they have a big day out
at Wembley ahead. | 1:10:10 | 1:10:16 | |
Roger Federer followed up his return
to the top of the men's tennis | 1:10:16 | 1:10:20 | |
rankings by winning the Rotterdam
open, beating Grigor Dimitrov in the | 1:10:20 | 1:10:23 | |
final. The 20 time grand slam
champion, who has been confirmed as | 1:10:23 | 1:10:29 | |
world number one today, beat Dimmock
Rob 6-26-2 for his 97th title. -- | 1:10:29 | 1:10:37 | |
beat Dimmock Rob 6-2, 6-2.
Australian Wayne Bennett has been | 1:10:37 | 1:10:42 | |
reappointed as England rugby league
coach. He guided the site last | 1:10:42 | 1:10:46 | |
year's World Cup final, where they
lost 6-0 to hosts and favourites | 1:10:46 | 1:10:50 | |
Australia. There is no guarantee he
will lead England into the 2021 | 1:10:50 | 1:10:54 | |
World Cup.
And that is the sport for now. Thank | 1:10:54 | 1:10:58 | |
you, Sarah. | 1:10:58 | 1:11:01 | |
It's been a tricky political issue
for successive ministers - | 1:11:01 | 1:11:04 | |
how to pay for university education
for students from England. | 1:11:04 | 1:11:06 | |
Labour first controversially
introduced tuition | 1:11:06 | 1:11:08 | |
fees in the late 90s. | 1:11:08 | 1:11:11 | |
The Lib Dems promised to scrap fees
altogether but once in power voted | 1:11:11 | 1:11:16 | |
to triple them to £9000 a year. | 1:11:16 | 1:11:23 | |
And, at last June's general
election, when Theresa May | 1:11:23 | 1:11:25 | |
lost her majority, many put
Jeremy Corbyn's surprise success | 1:11:25 | 1:11:27 | |
down to his support among young
people and his own pledge | 1:11:27 | 1:11:29 | |
to scrap the fees. | 1:11:30 | 1:11:31 | |
Well, later today the Prime Minister
will step into the debate. | 1:11:31 | 1:11:33 | |
She's expected to say she "shares
the concerns" of young people, | 1:11:33 | 1:11:36 | |
parents and grandparents
about the fees system, | 1:11:36 | 1:11:38 | |
as she launches review
of how our universities are funded. | 1:11:38 | 1:11:40 | |
Let's look ahead to Mrs May's
speech and ask what it | 1:11:40 | 1:11:43 | |
might mean for students -
and their bank balances. | 1:11:43 | 1:11:49 | |
With me here are students
Abdi Duale, a Labour | 1:11:49 | 1:11:55 | |
activist, and Ellie King,
a Conservative activist. | 1:11:55 | 1:11:58 | |
We've also got the Conservative
chairman of the education select | 1:11:58 | 1:12:07 | |
-- the vice chancellor
of the University of | 1:12:07 | 1:12:11 | |
Bedfordshire Bill Rammell. | 1:12:11 | 1:12:16 | |
This has been pretty damning for
vice chancellors like yourself? The | 1:12:16 | 1:12:19 | |
reason we have an expensive system
is because in 2012 the Government | 1:12:19 | 1:12:22 | |
cut the teaching bread to
universities by 80% and fees have | 1:12:22 | 1:12:27 | |
gone up to deliver a good student
experience. If the Government... But | 1:12:27 | 1:12:33 | |
some courses are cheaper than others
yet you all charged £9,250, pretty | 1:12:33 | 1:12:39 | |
much. About 50% of the costs are
non-core specifics are they apply to | 1:12:39 | 1:12:43 | |
students across the board and there
is a perverse incentive built in by | 1:12:43 | 1:12:49 | |
the Government which suggests it
want some courses to be cheaper than | 1:12:49 | 1:12:51 | |
others. It will encourage poorer
students to choose courses which are | 1:12:51 | 1:12:56 | |
not necessarily the courses that
they want to undertake. If the | 1:12:56 | 1:13:00 | |
system broken? No, I don't believe
it is. There is no evidence students | 1:13:00 | 1:13:04 | |
have been deterred from applying to
university and applications have | 1:13:04 | 1:13:08 | |
gone up fastest amongst students
from poorer backgrounds... Which is | 1:13:08 | 1:13:12 | |
true, but it is whether what you are
charging them is fair? I think it | 1:13:12 | 1:13:24 | |
is. If you look in the university
investments, facilities, | 1:13:24 | 1:13:26 | |
improvements in staff to student
with years, all of that has led to | 1:13:26 | 1:13:29 | |
an all-time high satisfaction levels
amongst students as measured by the | 1:13:29 | 1:13:31 | |
National student survey, so I think
the system is working but there are | 1:13:31 | 1:13:34 | |
changes that can and should be made.
The Government committed a gross | 1:13:34 | 1:13:38 | |
error when it abolished nonrepayable
grants for poorer students and I | 1:13:38 | 1:13:42 | |
think that should be returned, and I
think they need to look up the | 1:13:42 | 1:13:45 | |
interest rate charged which, for
some students, 6.1%, is arguably | 1:13:45 | 1:13:53 | |
penal at a time when interest rates
are at an all-time low. Let me speak | 1:13:53 | 1:13:59 | |
to the students, then. Is this
working? Tuition freeze our free at | 1:13:59 | 1:14:04 | |
the point of use... When Angela
Rayner says they are not, they are, | 1:14:04 | 1:14:10 | |
the £9,000 does not deter you from
applying, we have more | 1:14:10 | 1:14:14 | |
underprivileged people coming
university than ever before but I | 1:14:14 | 1:14:16 | |
think the problem is interest rates
and the problem is interest rates | 1:14:16 | 1:14:19 | |
and of repayment threshold, we
should raise the repayment | 1:14:19 | 1:14:21 | |
threshold, it is going up to
£25,000, I think it is, and that | 1:14:21 | 1:14:25 | |
means students earning less are
paying such small amounts of the | 1:14:25 | 1:14:30 | |
month, I think it would be £15 a
month they are paying back towards | 1:14:30 | 1:14:33 | |
their tuition, so many students will
not even write it off, it will be | 1:14:33 | 1:14:36 | |
written off after 30 years and I
think the interest rates do need to | 1:14:36 | 1:14:40 | |
be lower because I think that is
absolutely ridiculous. What about | 1:14:40 | 1:14:43 | |
the cost of courses at the moment? I
think it would be nice to have them | 1:14:43 | 1:14:50 | |
lowered, but, as the Vice Chancellor
was saying, if we lower than it is | 1:14:50 | 1:14:54 | |
at risk of losing bursaries for
people from underprivileged | 1:14:54 | 1:14:56 | |
backgrounds, support for those
people of getting into education. I | 1:14:56 | 1:15:01 | |
received a bursary from the
Government and from my university, | 1:15:01 | 1:15:04 | |
and if I did not have that it would
be a barrier. I think the argument | 1:15:04 | 1:15:07 | |
that somehow students sought tuition
fees and ran away from university, I | 1:15:07 | 1:15:14 | |
think the reason people are playing
is because they need a degree to get | 1:15:14 | 1:15:19 | |
a good job so... It must be
interesting that it has not put | 1:15:19 | 1:15:26 | |
people off? The amount of students
applying for part-time degrees has | 1:15:26 | 1:15:29 | |
gone down dramatically, more than
50%. But not full-time courses? | 1:15:29 | 1:15:35 | |
Those students who might have wanted
to work as well a study. If you look | 1:15:35 | 1:15:39 | |
at older students changing careers,
a lot of them are deterred because | 1:15:39 | 1:15:43 | |
of the tuition fee so it is
deterring students. But they are not | 1:15:43 | 1:15:48 | |
getting value for money, lecturers
are striking because people at the | 1:15:48 | 1:15:51 | |
top of the University are being paid
ridiculous amounts of money when | 1:15:51 | 1:15:54 | |
lecturers' pensions are cut
year-on-year. I think it is bizarre. | 1:15:54 | 1:15:58 | |
So what should change? Ellie says
interest rate should come down and | 1:15:58 | 1:16:02 | |
there should be an increase in the
threshold before you start paying | 1:16:02 | 1:16:05 | |
back? Tuition fees need to be cut
further than £6,000, 6000 is | 1:16:05 | 1:16:10 | |
ridiculous but the Government
incentive on... How should that be | 1:16:10 | 1:16:16 | |
funded, general taxation? You can
bring in graduate tax, there are | 1:16:16 | 1:16:20 | |
different routes that we can
support. Are you saying that the | 1:16:20 | 1:16:24 | |
people who do degrees, and benefit,
should be the ones paying for it? | 1:16:24 | 1:16:28 | |
The argument is, should they pay
£9,000? No, it is too much. What | 1:16:28 | 1:16:33 | |
type of funding method, should it be
that people who do the degree who | 1:16:33 | 1:16:37 | |
pays for it? I think it should not
be a market system, it is a service | 1:16:37 | 1:16:41 | |
given to people, similar to the
health service. So he funded from | 1:16:41 | 1:16:46 | |
general taxation? Yes, but also
through paying something through | 1:16:46 | 1:16:50 | |
graduate taxes. Students don't pay
the money back anyway and the worst | 1:16:50 | 1:16:55 | |
thing is probably the interest rate,
6.1%, even more than if you have a | 1:16:55 | 1:16:59 | |
mortgage, so I think those kinds of
things, and the Government trying to | 1:16:59 | 1:17:03 | |
tinker around by making some degree
is some others will put some | 1:17:03 | 1:17:07 | |
students from stem degrees where
they will keep those at £9,000 so I | 1:17:07 | 1:17:11 | |
think it is bizarre and it all comes
from the general election, we know | 1:17:11 | 1:17:15 | |
the reason Theresa May and the
Government are doing this is that | 1:17:15 | 1:17:17 | |
they saw the outcome of the general
election and realised they had gone | 1:17:17 | 1:17:21 | |
wrong. They were trying to increase
with inflation every year and in a | 1:17:21 | 1:17:24 | |
few years it would be at £10,000 but
they are taking a step back and the | 1:17:24 | 1:17:28 | |
youth have said, we don't want this
any | 1:17:28 | 1:17:30 | |
If people want higher education,
what is wrong with paying for it, | 1:17:30 | 1:17:34 | |
one US says? We live in a country
where the last generation, we are | 1:17:34 | 1:17:44 | |
not getting value for money. I
choose to go to university to | 1:17:44 | 1:17:50 | |
attempt to get a better job, income,
and then you get somebody who go | 1:17:50 | 1:17:58 | |
straight into work, why should they
be taxed to pay for my education | 1:17:58 | 1:18:02 | |
when I have made the decision
myself, that is not fair at all, the | 1:18:02 | 1:18:05 | |
system at the moment is a graduate
tax in all but name. The current | 1:18:05 | 1:18:10 | |
system does not work, because
students are not getting value for | 1:18:10 | 1:18:14 | |
money, we see it with most final
year students. It is because wages | 1:18:14 | 1:18:20 | |
are being undercut. My degree has
not been value for money, pensions | 1:18:20 | 1:18:30 | |
being cut. How visit affect value
for money? I am paying huge amounts | 1:18:30 | 1:18:41 | |
of sums of money, but not going to
lecturers, and the vice Chancellor | 1:18:41 | 1:18:46 | |
fees have gone up every single year.
At Bath, they rejected the | 1:18:46 | 1:18:51 | |
ridiculous amount of money that the
Vice Chancellor was being paid, they | 1:18:51 | 1:18:55 | |
do great work but should not be the
case that the lowest our undercut | 1:18:55 | 1:18:59 | |
and the people at the top are
getting more bonuses and getting | 1:18:59 | 1:19:01 | |
more wages. We will see what
happens. The Vice Chancellor of | 1:19:01 | 1:19:09 | |
Bedfordshire University. And two
students. Coming up: Barry Bennell | 1:19:09 | 1:19:20 | |
will be sentenced at me and today
for the abuse of boys on an | 1:19:20 | 1:19:24 | |
industrial scale, we will be live
outside Liverpool Crown Court. | 1:19:24 | 1:19:32 | |
An internal Oxfam report
on the sexual misconduct of some | 1:19:32 | 1:19:34 | |
of its staff in Haiti in 2011 has
revealed that three of the men | 1:19:34 | 1:19:38 | |
involved threatened witnesses
during the investigation. | 1:19:38 | 1:19:39 | |
The charity has published
the document for the first time, | 1:19:39 | 1:19:41 | |
saying it wants to be
as transparent as possible. | 1:19:41 | 1:19:44 | |
It also appears that
Oxfam ignored a central | 1:19:44 | 1:19:45 | |
recommendation of its report,
which said better ways should be | 1:19:45 | 1:19:48 | |
found to inform other agencies
about problem staff. | 1:19:48 | 1:19:58 | |
Some names have been redacted, for
what they say is confidentiality | 1:19:59 | 1:20:03 | |
reasons. | 1:20:03 | 1:20:12 | |
We can speak now to the Conservative
MP Pauline Latham who sits | 1:20:18 | 1:20:21 | |
on the House of Commons committee
that will tomorrow question the head | 1:20:21 | 1:20:24 | |
of Oxfam and senior figures
from the aid charity sector. | 1:20:24 | 1:20:28 | |
What you make of this report? I
think it is pretty shocking that | 1:20:28 | 1:20:33 | |
they have ignored anything that was
in it and I am very shocked about | 1:20:33 | 1:20:36 | |
the whole industry at the moment,
because it seems to be rife | 1:20:36 | 1:20:41 | |
throughout the industry, not just
one charity, seems to be several, in | 1:20:41 | 1:20:45 | |
fact, probably many. There is no
evidence to suggest that? I went to | 1:20:45 | 1:20:54 | |
a conference two years ago in
Istanbul, world humanitarian summit, | 1:20:54 | 1:20:59 | |
it seemed to be in one of the
meetings, that people were talking | 1:20:59 | 1:21:03 | |
about it openly in a panel, and
saying that everybody knew that it | 1:21:03 | 1:21:07 | |
was happening, so I have been trying
to ask to have a central register so | 1:21:07 | 1:21:14 | |
that we know who these people are,
and we do not employ them, or not | 1:21:14 | 1:21:20 | |
knowingly employ them. So there is a
central register for the world, and | 1:21:20 | 1:21:23 | |
we should not be leading the
world's, we should be leading the | 1:21:23 | 1:21:30 | |
world and stopping this abuse that
is going on. Central register of all | 1:21:30 | 1:21:38 | |
aid workers who have been dismissed?
Been allowed to resign with dignity | 1:21:38 | 1:21:42 | |
as one of these men was? The country
director of Oxfam in Haiti was able | 1:21:42 | 1:21:47 | |
to resign with dignity after
admitting that he slept with | 1:21:47 | 1:21:51 | |
prostitutes in the residence. They
should be registered but we need to | 1:21:51 | 1:21:55 | |
have the cooperation of Oxfam and
other NGOs to say that they should | 1:21:55 | 1:22:01 | |
report them to a central register. I
asked if they would do this, but | 1:22:01 | 1:22:05 | |
they sent me a letter back saying,
basically, it was in the too | 1:22:05 | 1:22:10 | |
difficult to do box and they could
not actually do it. When was that, | 1:22:10 | 1:22:15 | |
recently? Two years ago. We know a
lot more now, we do know a lot more, | 1:22:15 | 1:22:23 | |
it is something we should definitely
be doing, we should definitely be | 1:22:23 | 1:22:27 | |
having a register... These people
are not just Brits, it is people | 1:22:27 | 1:22:32 | |
from round the world, sometimes it
is local staff, in country. We need | 1:22:32 | 1:22:36 | |
to make sure they cannot go from one
charity to another, maybe with a | 1:22:36 | 1:22:42 | |
reference, I don't know, but they
should not be able to go without a | 1:22:42 | 1:22:46 | |
stain on their character, if they
have been abusing the most | 1:22:46 | 1:22:49 | |
vulnerable people in the world,
women and girls, which is what, the | 1:22:49 | 1:22:53 | |
people we are supposed to be
protecting, we should not be | 1:22:53 | 1:22:56 | |
allowing them to go from one charity
to another without a stain on their | 1:22:56 | 1:23:00 | |
character. Over the weekend, you
will have seen that the Oxfam Chief | 1:23:00 | 1:23:05 | |
Executive, a man you will be asking
questions of tomorrow, has said, the | 1:23:05 | 1:23:08 | |
stale At The Races Gale and
criticism against is organisation is | 1:23:08 | 1:23:12 | |
out of proportion with what actually
happened, he told the Guardian, the | 1:23:12 | 1:23:16 | |
intensity, of the Frosty of the
attack makes you wonder, what did we | 1:23:16 | 1:23:20 | |
do, did we murder babies, what did
you think of that? That is a | 1:23:20 | 1:23:24 | |
ridiculous knee jerk reaction by
him. What he did, not him, he | 1:23:24 | 1:23:31 | |
probably was not even employed at
the time that it happened, what | 1:23:31 | 1:23:34 | |
Oxfam were doing was not really
vigorously putting in place child | 1:23:34 | 1:23:40 | |
protection procedures, and what we
are supposed to be doing is making | 1:23:40 | 1:23:43 | |
sure that women and children are
safe, sometimes they have gone | 1:23:43 | 1:23:49 | |
through the most, take absolutely
traumatic circumstances, and they | 1:23:49 | 1:23:53 | |
have to have people they can trust
in the aid industry so that those | 1:23:53 | 1:23:57 | |
people in the aid industry look
after them and provide help and | 1:23:57 | 1:24:02 | |
support they require, feeding,
inoculations, health, education, all | 1:24:02 | 1:24:06 | |
sorts of things, but they should be
able to trust implicitly the people | 1:24:06 | 1:24:11 | |
that are employed by the aid
agencies, and therefore, know that | 1:24:11 | 1:24:16 | |
the people are trustworthy, and that
anybody who is not has been sacked. | 1:24:16 | 1:24:23 | |
Just reading, anyone can read
through this once confidential | 1:24:23 | 1:24:28 | |
report, that Oxfam did after what
happened in Haiti. The list of those | 1:24:28 | 1:24:34 | |
who were dismissed all were allowed
to resign, of the sleeve and names | 1:24:34 | 1:24:38 | |
are not included, one dismissal for
gross misconduct, failing in his | 1:24:38 | 1:24:43 | |
duty to protect staff... Another,
gross misconduct, use of | 1:24:43 | 1:24:47 | |
prostitutes. Gross misconduct,
bullying and intimidation of Oxfam | 1:24:47 | 1:24:53 | |
staff and misuse of computing
equipment through the access and | 1:24:53 | 1:24:57 | |
download of pornographic and illegal
material, charged with gross | 1:24:57 | 1:25:01 | |
misconduct for the use of
prostitutes on Oxfam property and | 1:25:01 | 1:25:06 | |
bullying and intimidation. And so it
goes on. Should they have released | 1:25:06 | 1:25:10 | |
this back in 2011? Yes, I don't
think these sorts of reports should | 1:25:10 | 1:25:16 | |
be secret, now it is out in the
open, we can do something | 1:25:16 | 1:25:20 | |
significant about it and that is
what I will be asking Difed to do, | 1:25:20 | 1:25:28 | |
so that we lead the world, so we
know that whoever we give money to | 1:25:28 | 1:25:31 | |
has the right procedures in place,
and there is children and women are | 1:25:31 | 1:25:36 | |
absolutely safe. No good saying that
prostitutes are legal, they are | 1:25:36 | 1:25:41 | |
still victims. -- DFID. I do believe
here, where they were suffering | 1:25:41 | 1:25:46 | |
following the earthquake, they
really haven't been, that is what is | 1:25:46 | 1:25:53 | |
wrong with Oxfam. And many other
charities. The Chief Executives has | 1:25:53 | 1:25:59 | |
suggested that some critics are
motivated by an anti-AIDS agenda. -- | 1:25:59 | 1:26:08 | |
anti-aid agenda? I see the good that
many of the charities do. I'm | 1:26:08 | 1:26:14 | |
convinced they have to clean up
their act, there will be people who | 1:26:14 | 1:26:17 | |
say, I never wanted to give to
charity, I didn't want the country | 1:26:17 | 1:26:21 | |
to pay for this, but we must
remember, it will be the minority of | 1:26:21 | 1:26:25 | |
men in these organisations, it will
not be the majority but that | 1:26:25 | 1:26:30 | |
minority need getting rid of so that
everyone can have confidence that | 1:26:30 | 1:26:34 | |
the women and girls that we are
trying to protect and probably some | 1:26:34 | 1:26:39 | |
boys as well are not being sexually
abused or raped which is what is | 1:26:39 | 1:26:47 | |
happening in some cases. Is Mark
Goldring the man to lead the change? | 1:26:47 | 1:26:52 | |
I don't know, I will find out
tomorrow when I'm able to question | 1:26:52 | 1:26:56 | |
him and find out more about what
they plan to do and what they have | 1:26:56 | 1:26:59 | |
done since this came to the fore in
2011. It is not seem to me that they | 1:26:59 | 1:27:05 | |
have put enough measures in place to
stop it happening. What questions | 1:27:05 | 1:27:10 | |
will you be asking him tomorrow? I
don't want to reveal those over the | 1:27:10 | 1:27:15 | |
air because I do not want him to
prepare too much and tell us what he | 1:27:15 | 1:27:18 | |
thinks we want to hear but one thing
that I want to explore is what | 1:27:18 | 1:27:24 | |
happens about giving references to
people who have been perpetrators, | 1:27:24 | 1:27:28 | |
do they agree with that, do they
condone it, do they do it, what is | 1:27:28 | 1:27:33 | |
the situation. If so, what is the
value of a reference? Thank you very | 1:27:33 | 1:27:37 | |
much for talking to us, thank you. | 1:27:37 | 1:27:42 | |
The former football coach Barry
Bennell will be sentenced for the | 1:27:48 | 1:27:51 | |
abuse he carried out on dozens of
young and aspiring footballers, | 1:27:51 | 1:27:55 | |
three and a half decades ago. Last
week, the former Manchester City and | 1:27:55 | 1:27:59 | |
Crewe Alexandra coach was convicted
of abusing 12 boys. In the last | 1:27:59 | 1:28:04 | |
hour, one of his victims, Mickey
Fallon, told me what level of | 1:28:04 | 1:28:09 | |
punishment he thinks Barry Bennell
should receive today? I think today | 1:28:09 | 1:28:15 | |
is our day. It is about, hopefully,
Barry Bennell being put away, and | 1:28:15 | 1:28:20 | |
never seeing the light of day again.
That for us would probably be the | 1:28:20 | 1:28:25 | |
perfect day, the perfect ending for
us, this man does not deserve to | 1:28:25 | 1:28:37 | |
walk in normal society. You will
read out your victim impact | 1:28:37 | 1:28:41 | |
statement, what are some of the
things you want to tell the court | 1:28:41 | 1:28:44 | |
room and tell Barry Bennell? The
impact on me personally, over 33 | 1:28:44 | 1:28:50 | |
years... Has been quite devastating.
In terms of being a child, aged 13, | 1:28:50 | 1:29:00 | |
when this happened to me, my dreams
of being a football player | 1:29:00 | 1:29:04 | |
diminished, I did stay at Crewe
Alexandra until the age of 18 but my | 1:29:04 | 1:29:07 | |
heart was never in it, I had chances
after Crewe Alexandra to go to other | 1:29:07 | 1:29:11 | |
football clubs away but I wanted to
move home, I moved home and I never | 1:29:11 | 1:29:14 | |
moved away from Plymouth after that.
I feel like the impact on my | 1:29:14 | 1:29:19 | |
football career at that stage was
pretty damning. In terms of an | 1:29:19 | 1:29:24 | |
adult, subconsciously, the impact
that you then carry with you, | 1:29:24 | 1:29:29 | |
carrying this dirty secret, is quite
devastating, there are very similar | 1:29:29 | 1:29:35 | |
stories but my personal story, in my
early 20s, I really could not cope | 1:29:35 | 1:29:39 | |
with it, I turned to alcohol. Took
me two years really, to get myself | 1:29:39 | 1:29:45 | |
through counselling. In terms of
being alcohol dependent. And I | 1:29:45 | 1:29:51 | |
remember trying to take my own life
at one stage. I don't think anyone | 1:29:51 | 1:29:55 | |
can really underestimate the impact
that airing this kind of secret can | 1:29:55 | 1:30:00 | |
have on you, not just as a child but
when you move forward in your adult | 1:30:00 | 1:30:05 | |
life, it can be pretty devastating.
You only told your partner about the | 1:30:05 | 1:30:12 | |
abuse you had endured after watching
the interview on this programme in | 1:30:12 | 1:30:18 | |
November, 2016, when four former
players spoke out about what Barry | 1:30:18 | 1:30:21 | |
Bennell had done to them, when you
watched those men, what effect did | 1:30:21 | 1:30:25 | |
that have on you? I cannot explain
the feelings, watching... Steve | 1:30:25 | 1:30:30 | |
Walters... He was my friend before
we even went to Crewe come we both | 1:30:30 | 1:30:37 | |
played youth football, grew up
together, we were mates, seeing | 1:30:37 | 1:30:40 | |
Steve sat on the couch for me... It
hit me like a train. | 1:30:40 | 1:30:45 | |
It was my moment ago, I have to
confront this, after 33 years I have | 1:30:51 | 1:30:55 | |
to be brave and to come out with my
secret and deal with it, or do I | 1:30:55 | 1:31:02 | |
deny myself and people like Stephen,
brave enough to sit on that so far, | 1:31:02 | 1:31:06 | |
the opportunity to say, actually,
there were others out there. It hit | 1:31:06 | 1:31:10 | |
me hard, I did not do it
straightaway, it took me a few days, | 1:31:10 | 1:31:15 | |
but I thought personally it was the
right thing to do to come forward | 1:31:15 | 1:31:19 | |
and show the scale of this.
Micky Fallon, who spoke to us this | 1:31:19 | 1:31:34 | |
morning. The sentencing of Barry
Bennell is due at 12pm at Liverpool | 1:31:34 | 1:31:37 | |
Crown Court and you will be able to
hear the outcome. Let me read the | 1:31:37 | 1:31:41 | |
messages... Adam says, watching the
victims on your programme today, | 1:31:41 | 1:31:45 | |
massive respect to them for speaking
out on television, hopefully it will | 1:31:45 | 1:31:48 | |
encourage more victims to name
offenders. | 1:31:48 | 1:31:51 | |
A text from Earl, I was abused by an
older brother from the age of three. | 1:31:51 | 1:31:56 | |
I told my mother when I was seven
and she | 1:31:56 | 1:32:08 | |
called me a liar. Then she told my
dad, who removed him from the family | 1:32:10 | 1:32:13 | |
home and made him join the Army. I
finally reported it to police when I | 1:32:13 | 1:32:16 | |
was 45 as I wasn't sure what the
offence was. When I tried to claim | 1:32:16 | 1:32:19 | |
criminal injury I was told that
because my brother lived in the same | 1:32:19 | 1:32:21 | |
house as me I was not allowed to
claim compensation. | 1:32:21 | 1:32:23 | |
Thank you for those.
Coming up in the next half an hour, | 1:32:23 | 1:32:26 | |
reaction from last night's BAFTA
film awards. Most of the women there | 1:32:26 | 1:32:30 | |
wore black on the red carpet to call
for an end to harassment in the | 1:32:30 | 1:32:33 | |
industry. We will be joined by
actors and activist who have signed | 1:32:33 | 1:32:37 | |
an open letter calling for a global
fight against harassment and abuse | 1:32:37 | 1:32:40 | |
across all industries. Britain is
accused of still being in the dark | 1:32:40 | 1:32:46 | |
ages when it comes to mothers rights
at work. We will talk to one mother | 1:32:46 | 1:32:50 | |
who was made redundant on maternity
leave by the women's organisation | 1:32:50 | 1:32:53 | |
she worked for. | 1:32:53 | 1:33:03 | |
Time for the latest news -
here's Annita McVeigh. | 1:33:03 | 1:33:05 | |
Theresa May will today launch
a year-long review of how higher | 1:33:05 | 1:33:08 | |
education is funded,
admitting that England has one | 1:33:08 | 1:33:10 | |
of the most expensive systems
of tuition in the world. | 1:33:10 | 1:33:12 | |
In a speech in Derbyshire,
the Prime Minister will say | 1:33:12 | 1:33:14 | |
she shares the concerns of students
and parents about the cost | 1:33:14 | 1:33:17 | |
of getting a degree. | 1:33:17 | 1:33:27 | |
Labour has accused the Government
of simply kicking the problem | 1:33:29 | 1:33:31 | |
into the long grass. | 1:33:31 | 1:33:32 | |
Oxfam has revealed that charity
workers physically threatened | 1:33:32 | 1:33:34 | |
witnesses during an investigation
into sexual misconduct | 1:33:34 | 1:33:36 | |
in Haiti in 2011. | 1:33:36 | 1:33:37 | |
The report includes accusations
of bullying, intimidation of staff | 1:33:37 | 1:33:39 | |
and use of prostitutes,
as well as suggesting that Oxfam | 1:33:39 | 1:33:41 | |
bosses ignored a recommendation that
better ways should be found | 1:33:41 | 1:33:44 | |
to inform other charities
about problem staff. | 1:33:44 | 1:33:47 | |
The former football coach
Barry Bennell will be sentenced | 1:33:47 | 1:33:49 | |
today for historical sexual assaults
committed on young boys in his care. | 1:33:49 | 1:33:52 | |
The 64-year-old, who worked
with Manchester City | 1:33:52 | 1:33:54 | |
and Crewe Alexandra's youth teams,
was convicted of 50 child sex | 1:33:54 | 1:33:57 | |
offences at Liverpool Crown Court. | 1:33:57 | 1:34:01 | |
It's thought the former scout may
have abused more than 100 boys over | 1:34:01 | 1:34:04 | |
a period spanning three decades. | 1:34:04 | 1:34:14 | |
Former shareholders in the collapsed
construction giant Carillion | 1:34:14 | 1:34:16 | |
are calling for its management
to be investigated. | 1:34:16 | 1:34:18 | |
Some have told MPs
that the company's | 1:34:18 | 1:34:20 | |
executives must have known -
or should have known - | 1:34:20 | 1:34:22 | |
about its cash flow problems
well before it went | 1:34:22 | 1:34:24 | |
into liquidation last month. | 1:34:24 | 1:34:33 | |
At the same time, say MPs, investors
were "fleeing for the hills". | 1:34:33 | 1:34:36 | |
The Bank of England says more
than £2 billion worth of old £10 | 1:34:36 | 1:34:39 | |
notes need to be spent or exchanged
in the next ten days. | 1:34:39 | 1:34:42 | |
The notes, featuring
Charles Darwin, cease to be legal | 1:34:42 | 1:34:44 | |
tender on 1st March. | 1:34:44 | 1:34:51 | |
That's a summary of
the latest BBC News. | 1:34:51 | 1:35:01 | |
Here's some sport now with Sarah. | 1:35:03 | 1:35:05 | |
It went to the wire
but Great Britain's men made it four | 1:35:05 | 1:35:08 | |
wins from seven on the curling rink. | 1:35:08 | 1:35:09 | |
It was tight throughout
and eventually they came | 1:35:09 | 1:35:11 | |
through 7-6 against Denmark,
which puts them in a very | 1:35:11 | 1:35:14 | |
strong position to earn
a place in the last four. | 1:35:14 | 1:35:16 | |
Less than two years after being told
she may never skate again, | 1:35:16 | 1:35:19 | |
ice dancer Penny Coomes
and her partner Nick Buckland have | 1:35:19 | 1:35:21 | |
qualified for the short dance final. | 1:35:21 | 1:35:23 | |
The couple finished in 10th place
ahead of tomorrow's free dance. | 1:35:23 | 1:35:25 | |
It was a good morning too
for Rowan Cheshire in the freestyle | 1:35:25 | 1:35:28 | |
skiing halfpipe event. | 1:35:28 | 1:35:32 | |
Her performance was good enough
to see her qualify for the finals. | 1:35:32 | 1:35:35 | |
Unfortunately, the other Brit
in that competition, | 1:35:35 | 1:35:37 | |
Molly Summerhayes, missed out. | 1:35:37 | 1:35:38 | |
There was huge disappointment
too for Aimee Fuller | 1:35:38 | 1:35:40 | |
in the snowboarding big air event. | 1:35:40 | 1:35:41 | |
This is making it's debut at this
year's games but Fuller fell | 1:35:41 | 1:35:44 | |
on both her attempts,
including a big crash | 1:35:44 | 1:35:46 | |
in in her second jump
so her Olympics is over. | 1:35:46 | 1:35:53 | |
Coming up just after 11am -
GB women's curling | 1:35:53 | 1:35:55 | |
team face Switzerland. | 1:35:55 | 1:35:57 | |
And from 11:15, Brad Hall pilots
the GB men's bobsleigh | 1:35:57 | 1:35:59 | |
in the two-man event. | 1:35:59 | 1:36:08 | |
KFC has closed a number of outlets
across the UK. This story is | 1:36:08 | 1:36:13 | |
currently the most read story on the
BBC news site, our correspondent | 1:36:13 | 1:36:16 | |
Jonty Bloom is here. Why? KFC,
Kentucky fried chicken, has run out | 1:36:16 | 1:36:21 | |
of chicken. No! Has it?! They
changed their delivery company last | 1:36:21 | 1:36:34 | |
week to DHL, and the chicken has not
been arriving in the right numbers | 1:36:34 | 1:36:37 | |
on the right places so they have
closed stores in London, the | 1:36:37 | 1:36:41 | |
Southeast, Wales, the Midlands. They
have neither good and -- 900 stores | 1:36:41 | 1:36:45 | |
and have not said how many have been
affected but social media has been | 1:36:45 | 1:36:48 | |
going mad because people have been
turning up to give to find out there | 1:36:48 | 1:36:52 | |
isn't any.
They are not saying how many but | 1:36:52 | 1:36:54 | |
have they said when the chicken will
be arriving?! | 1:36:54 | 1:36:57 | |
They say they are | 1:36:57 | 1:37:08 | |
working it. This became known when
they put out a tweet which basically | 1:37:15 | 1:37:18 | |
said the chicken crossed the road,
just not to our restaurants, which | 1:37:18 | 1:37:20 | |
is a nice, phone line on it, but
they say they brought in a new | 1:37:20 | 1:37:23 | |
delivery partner, some teething
problems getting fresh chicken to | 1:37:23 | 1:37:25 | |
900 rest rooms across the country,
they will not comprise of quality so | 1:37:25 | 1:37:27 | |
some wrestlers are closed and others
have a limited menu or shortened | 1:37:27 | 1:37:30 | |
hours.
Veron off, so you will update is no | 1:37:30 | 1:37:32 | |
doubt when the chicken arrives?
The second it is in the shop! | 1:37:32 | 1:37:34 | |
Three Billboards Outside Ebbing,
Missouri has dominated | 1:37:34 | 1:37:36 | |
the BAFTA film awards,
winning five trophies. | 1:37:36 | 1:37:46 | |
The drama about a woman's struggle
to get justice for her murdered | 1:37:53 | 1:37:55 | |
daughter was named Best Film,
while its star, Frances | 1:37:55 | 1:37:58 | |
McDormand won Best Actress. | 1:37:58 | 1:37:59 | |
The campaign to tackle
sexual harassment featured | 1:37:59 | 1:38:00 | |
strongly at the event,
with most actresses | 1:38:00 | 1:38:02 | |
dressed in black. | 1:38:02 | 1:38:03 | |
And the first BAFTA of the evening
goes to three Billboards Outside | 1:38:03 | 1:38:05 | |
Ebbing, Missouri. | 1:38:05 | 1:38:07 | |
As Martin said, I have a little
trouble with compliance, but I want | 1:38:12 | 1:38:15 | |
you to know I stand in full
solidarity with my sisters denied in | 1:38:15 | 1:38:19 | |
black. The winner is... Frances
McDormand! No, just kidding! The | 1:38:19 | 1:38:26 | |
BAFTA goes to Gary Oldman. I thank
you, Sir Winston, I thank you, the | 1:38:26 | 1:38:33 | |
Churchill family, and, of course,
once again, BAFTA. Alison Janney, I, | 1:38:33 | 1:38:44 | |
Tonya. I want to clear up a life
that I have perpetrated for the last | 1:38:44 | 1:38:51 | |
few years... I did not graduate from
the Royal Academy for dramatic arts, | 1:38:51 | 1:38:55 | |
but I did attend a two-week summer
programme! The BAFTA goes to... The | 1:38:55 | 1:39:02 | |
Shape Of Water, Guillermo Del Toro.
Thank you, BAFTA, for all of the | 1:39:02 | 1:39:10 | |
support. | 1:39:10 | 1:39:20 | |
So thank you to all of you. It feels
like a quirk of nature that I am | 1:39:24 | 1:39:29 | |
standing here tonight, so thank you.
Mum, you are the reason why I | 1:39:29 | 1:39:36 | |
started, you're the reason why I'm
here, you are the reason why I keep | 1:39:36 | 1:39:40 | |
going, do you understand? Thank you
for everything. Please welcome to | 1:39:40 | 1:39:46 | |
the stage, Sir Ridley Scott. I shall
find a very special place for it. By | 1:39:46 | 1:39:54 | |
the way, I'm available in autumn
2018. | 1:39:54 | 1:40:02 | |
Let's talk to Phyll Opoku-Gyimah,
an activist and co-founder of UK | 1:40:02 | 1:40:06 | |
Black Pride, who walked down
the red carpet with actor | 1:40:06 | 1:40:09 | |
Andrea Riseborough. | 1:40:09 | 1:40:16 | |
Sorcha Bacon is here,
who was up for her first | 1:40:16 | 1:40:19 | |
award as a female producer. | 1:40:19 | 1:40:21 | |
And actor and film maker Kate Hardie
who has signed the letter. | 1:40:21 | 1:40:25 | |
Thank you very much for coming on
the programme. First of all, was it | 1:40:25 | 1:40:29 | |
a good night? Was it a late one?!
Yes! You have lost your boys! Phyll, | 1:40:29 | 1:40:37 | |
you are co-founder of UK black
pride, what did you want to | 1:40:37 | 1:40:40 | |
highlight as you were walking down
the red carpet last night? The main | 1:40:40 | 1:40:45 | |
thing for me was just ensuring that
women of all different | 1:40:45 | 1:40:51 | |
intersections, whether we are black,
Asian, Brown, disabled women, | 1:40:51 | 1:40:57 | |
working-class women, are able to use
that platform to raise awareness of | 1:40:57 | 1:41:04 | |
the Time's Up campaign. Sorry to
interrupt but that is a criticism | 1:41:04 | 1:41:09 | |
that it is all very well for those
in the entertainment industry with | 1:41:09 | 1:41:13 | |
the privilege that it obviously
encompasses, compared to a lot of | 1:41:13 | 1:41:17 | |
women who don't have a lot of voice,
would you accept that criticism? | 1:41:17 | 1:41:23 | |
Totally but I would say there are
lots of women on set and working in | 1:41:23 | 1:41:26 | |
the film industry you don't have
much privilege. If you look at the | 1:41:26 | 1:41:29 | |
one woman in a camera team or the
new female runner, there is a lot of | 1:41:29 | 1:41:35 | |
quite voiceless women within the
industry, and I also think what is | 1:41:35 | 1:41:38 | |
brilliant about Time's Up is it is
reaching out beyond just our | 1:41:38 | 1:41:41 | |
industry. Which is the point for
you, it is every woman, whatever | 1:41:41 | 1:41:45 | |
sex, whatever you do? Absolutely,
women like myself have not | 1:41:45 | 1:41:52 | |
historically been able to access
platforms like the BAFTAs, you want | 1:41:52 | 1:41:56 | |
to use the opportunity to amplify
your voice as much as possible | 1:41:56 | 1:41:59 | |
whilst celebrating the greatness of
women who have been acting or are in | 1:41:59 | 1:42:04 | |
the industry. It is time to raise
the volume on society. You are | 1:42:04 | 1:42:11 | |
pretty new to the industry, it is
fair to say? You have been in the | 1:42:11 | 1:42:14 | |
industry for 35 years? Yes!
Something to be proud of! But does | 1:42:14 | 1:42:21 | |
this feel like a watershed, what
would you say? For me, I feel I am | 1:42:21 | 1:42:29 | |
at a point where my voice as a
female producer can be part of the | 1:42:29 | 1:42:34 | |
facilitation of pushing voices that
are imported into film and making | 1:42:34 | 1:42:37 | |
sure I have a responsibility in the
work that I make to make those films | 1:42:37 | 1:42:41 | |
that I think are important and push
them to the forefront of what I am | 1:42:41 | 1:42:44 | |
doing, rather than listening to the
older voices. If you look at the | 1:42:44 | 1:42:48 | |
BAFTAs last night and look at the
films that have had more women, | 1:42:48 | 1:42:53 | |
female directors that one, those are
the younger the makers -- | 1:42:53 | 1:42:56 | |
film-makers, those of my generation,
and I think I have an important role | 1:42:56 | 1:43:00 | |
to play as a film-maker in pushing
those stories. Do you think this is | 1:43:00 | 1:43:03 | |
a tipping point? Yes, but it is more
to do with... Content definitely | 1:43:03 | 1:43:09 | |
needs to change, it is worse now
than it was in 1913, gender | 1:43:09 | 1:43:14 | |
representation and race is appalling
in film still, said that has to | 1:43:14 | 1:43:18 | |
shift, but I also think the idea of
people being able to speak up | 1:43:18 | 1:43:21 | |
because we are talking about abuses
of power, really, and these are | 1:43:21 | 1:43:25 | |
abuses of power, and the idea of
people having a voice against powers | 1:43:25 | 1:43:32 | |
that are silencing them, I think
there is a tipping point but I | 1:43:32 | 1:43:35 | |
really hope that that's now going to
be listened to on set, at work, that | 1:43:35 | 1:43:41 | |
is the really... It is all very
well, all wearing black is a | 1:43:41 | 1:43:45 | |
brilliant visual image but if you
are the one person on a set or on a | 1:43:45 | 1:43:48 | |
job that has to say, I'm not happy
with how this, how I'm being | 1:43:48 | 1:43:53 | |
treated, it is still very, very
scary. You have experienced sexual | 1:43:53 | 1:43:57 | |
harassment, I think I am right in
saying, according to what I have | 1:43:57 | 1:44:00 | |
read about you, but did you call it
out? I have... I don't talk about my | 1:44:00 | 1:44:09 | |
own personal experiences because I
often feel like it then gets | 1:44:09 | 1:44:12 | |
sidetracked and you end up having to
do interviews over and over again... | 1:44:12 | 1:44:16 | |
I'm not asking you about any
details, just whether you felt able | 1:44:16 | 1:44:19 | |
to... No, I didn't. When I look back
into my past, and I have thought | 1:44:19 | 1:44:23 | |
about it and we were talking about
it earlier, I think that | 1:44:23 | 1:44:30 | |
representation of how our industry
is regulated, it is regulated by | 1:44:30 | 1:44:34 | |
reputations and you get warned
quickly about, if you have a bad | 1:44:34 | 1:44:37 | |
reputation you will not get hired,
and so... And a bad reputation | 1:44:37 | 1:44:41 | |
means... If you cause trouble,
exactly, so our unions -- our union, | 1:44:41 | 1:44:49 | |
equity, the minute you even go to
equity there are people saying, you | 1:44:49 | 1:44:52 | |
will be seen as a troublemaker now.
When things happen to be, the things | 1:44:52 | 1:44:56 | |
I was advised the most was, let it
go. Leave it, let it go, because me | 1:44:56 | 1:45:01 | |
having a reputation was the thing
that... They didn't manage, I do | 1:45:01 | 1:45:06 | |
have a reputation! But me having a
reputation was the thing people were | 1:45:06 | 1:45:10 | |
most concerned about and that is
what has to change. What do you | 1:45:10 | 1:45:14 | |
think about that as a trade unionist
yourself? We have been campaigning | 1:45:14 | 1:45:20 | |
against sexual determination,
harassment, violence, sold for | 1:45:20 | 1:45:22 | |
years, and trade unions are
important in a campaign and fight | 1:45:22 | 1:45:25 | |
for justice. But not if they are
telling people, you won't get | 1:45:25 | 1:45:31 | |
work... The union never said that,
it is before you even go near a | 1:45:31 | 1:45:36 | |
union you get that. Unions are very
clear, speed up and speak out and we | 1:45:36 | 1:45:41 | |
are there to support you in your
fight for equality and justice. I | 1:45:41 | 1:45:46 | |
think sometimes people are a bit
wary of joining a trade union | 1:45:46 | 1:45:50 | |
because of victimisation or feeling
like they are going to be ostracised | 1:45:50 | 1:45:54 | |
in the workplace. If you even think
of women who are working 0-hours | 1:45:54 | 1:45:58 | |
contract work, work which is quite
precarious, they feel a little bit | 1:45:58 | 1:46:05 | |
vulnerable in wanting to speak out
so I think the trade unions' role is | 1:46:05 | 1:46:08 | |
to make sure we get in there and
organise, support, mobilise and | 1:46:08 | 1:46:12 | |
actually provide women with a
platform to be able to highlight | 1:46:12 | 1:46:16 | |
what is happening in the workplace
and negotiate with the employer | 1:46:16 | 1:46:21 | |
about its policies and procedures
and what we need to do to create a | 1:46:21 | 1:46:25 | |
safe space for women working. In
terms of the award, eight or nine | 1:46:25 | 1:46:30 | |
went to women, the majority to men,
40, in total, two men, what do you | 1:46:30 | 1:46:35 | |
take from that? I was even thinking
yesterday that it would be really | 1:46:35 | 1:46:41 | |
lovely in ten years' time for
everything not to be divided up into | 1:46:41 | 1:46:46 | |
gender, I would love if there was an
actor award, but I don't think we | 1:46:46 | 1:46:51 | |
are there yet. I don't know what to
say. It is how it is. Do you like | 1:46:51 | 1:46:58 | |
that idea? I don't like awards!
LAUGHTER | 1:46:58 | 1:47:03 | |
I think they are ridiculous. Let's
imagine that they will continue. | 1:47:03 | 1:47:10 | |
Forget the gender-based best actor,
Best actress, just have one. You are | 1:47:10 | 1:47:15 | |
asking the wrong person, I find
comparing performances, comparing | 1:47:15 | 1:47:19 | |
budgets, films, PR budgets, it is a
fact that women's films don't get as | 1:47:19 | 1:47:24 | |
much money to promote themselves,
looking at films that have not been | 1:47:24 | 1:47:28 | |
promoted, living in a society where
money buys you promotion and | 1:47:28 | 1:47:31 | |
attention, I find awards pretty
dubious. Although I love standing on | 1:47:31 | 1:47:38 | |
the red carpet, that was a better
image than I have seen for a long | 1:47:38 | 1:47:43 | |
time, so that was a tremendous image
that we saw, the women taking along | 1:47:43 | 1:47:47 | |
their guests. Thank you very much
for coming on the programme. | 1:47:47 | 1:47:55 | |
The court of the quotation for sport
has begun proceedings against the | 1:47:55 | 1:47:58 | |
Russian Olympic medallist, after he
failed a doping test, a sample who | 1:47:58 | 1:48:05 | |
provided tested positive for a
banned substance, which the BBC | 1:48:05 | 1:48:08 | |
understands to be meldonium. The
athlete won a bronze medal at | 1:48:08 | 1:48:15 | |
Pyeongchang in the midst double is
hurling event. That -- mixed doubles | 1:48:15 | 1:48:21 | |
curling event. It could be any
member of any country, does not | 1:48:21 | 1:48:29 | |
matter if it is Russia or not, could
be anyone, really. -- Alexander | 1:48:29 | 1:48:38 | |
Krushelnitsky if somebody has taken
something illegal, there should be | 1:48:38 | 1:48:41 | |
consequences but it is not affecting
anybody here. We want to keep the | 1:48:41 | 1:48:46 | |
sport clean, we are on the same
side. We will play and keep it out | 1:48:46 | 1:48:50 | |
of our minds. | 1:48:50 | 1:48:59 | |
Our correspondent, Stephen McDonell,
is in Seoul. What is the allegation | 1:48:59 | 1:49:04 | |
here? The Court of Arbitration for
Sport has officially launched the | 1:49:04 | 1:49:09 | |
seedings against Alexander
Krushelnitsky, this Russian athlete | 1:49:09 | 1:49:12 | |
is accused of taking a banned
substance, meldonium, and that this, | 1:49:12 | 1:49:21 | |
if found to be guilty of taking the
substance, not only stands to lose | 1:49:21 | 1:49:25 | |
his bronze medal, which he has
already won, but putting massive | 1:49:25 | 1:49:31 | |
pressure on all Russian athletes
here, you can imagine they were | 1:49:31 | 1:49:34 | |
hoping that the Pyeongchang games
was going to bring them in from the | 1:49:34 | 1:49:37 | |
cold. Officials may not be scheduled
there, Russians have had enough pain | 1:49:37 | 1:49:44 | |
after the mass doping scandal in
Sochi and they may decide that by | 1:49:44 | 1:49:50 | |
the end of the games, they can be
allowed to walk into the main | 1:49:50 | 1:49:55 | |
stadium, for the closing ceremony,
carrying the Russian flag. Well, the | 1:49:55 | 1:49:59 | |
pressure on officials to allow that
to happen now, would be enormous, | 1:49:59 | 1:50:04 | |
this can only harm the chances of
that is taking place, and a large | 1:50:04 | 1:50:10 | |
dark cloud, whether Russian athletes
like it or not, as being dragged | 1:50:10 | 1:50:16 | |
across all Russian Olympians. Why
would someone in curling take a | 1:50:16 | 1:50:22 | |
performance enhancing drug, how
would it help them? This is what | 1:50:22 | 1:50:27 | |
everyone is asking, some Russian
athletes are saying, they suggested | 1:50:27 | 1:50:30 | |
is not true, they say they cannot
believe it, not only is curling not | 1:50:30 | 1:50:35 | |
that stressful, why would you take
the drugs, why would you take them | 1:50:35 | 1:50:38 | |
so close to the games, but also, you
know, we have all been through so | 1:50:38 | 1:50:43 | |
much, you knew the risks in this
sort of thing, why do it? If he is | 1:50:43 | 1:50:49 | |
found to have done it, it is
because, curling is more strenuous | 1:50:49 | 1:50:53 | |
and stressful than people expect,
requires a lot of concentration, and | 1:50:53 | 1:50:58 | |
meldonium could help you to focus,
to be less jittery, and to be at the | 1:50:58 | 1:51:05 | |
top of your performance, this may be
what you need to potentially get a | 1:51:05 | 1:51:09 | |
medal, that is what he is accused to
have done. I should suggest, still | 1:51:09 | 1:51:16 | |
an accusation, just an accusation at
this stage, yet to be found guilty. | 1:51:16 | 1:51:23 | |
Thank you. | 1:51:23 | 1:51:25 | |
A woman has been arrested after an
abusive note was left on an | 1:51:25 | 1:51:30 | |
ambulance dealing with a 999 call.
Remind us what this note said, it | 1:51:30 | 1:51:34 | |
was on social media. After the
paramedics posted a picture of it. | 1:51:34 | 1:51:40 | |
Over the weekend, this was posted on
Twitter, she copied in the police, | 1:51:40 | 1:51:47 | |
because the person who had parked
the ambulance, in the ambulance, had | 1:51:47 | 1:51:50 | |
been very upset, the note, the
ambulance was parked in a | 1:51:50 | 1:51:54 | |
residential street, Stoke-on-Trent.
If this is for anyone but number 14, | 1:51:54 | 1:51:58 | |
you have no right to be parked here,
I could not give a dam if the whole | 1:51:58 | 1:52:04 | |
street collapsed. Move your van from
outside my house will stop the crew | 1:52:04 | 1:52:12 | |
was verbally abused and they say
that they were intimidated, and this | 1:52:12 | 1:52:17 | |
paramedic used Twitter to draw
attention to this and also copy in | 1:52:17 | 1:52:21 | |
the police and now a 26-year-old
woman has been arrested for public | 1:52:21 | 1:52:25 | |
order offences. Police say that
emergency services must be able to | 1:52:25 | 1:52:31 | |
carry out their roles without fear
of abuse or intimidation. | 1:52:31 | 1:52:35 | |
It's against the law to treat
someone unfairly because they're | 1:52:38 | 1:52:41 | |
pregnant or have recently given
birth and yet we know that many | 1:52:41 | 1:52:44 | |
women experience discrimination
at work for being pregnant | 1:52:44 | 1:52:46 | |
and having children. | 1:52:46 | 1:52:47 | |
The Equality and Human Rights
Commission has accused Britain | 1:52:47 | 1:52:49 | |
of still being in the dark ages
when it comes to mothers' | 1:52:49 | 1:52:52 | |
rights at work. | 1:52:52 | 1:52:53 | |
It's carried out new research
which suggests that the majority | 1:52:53 | 1:52:55 | |
of employers think women should have
to disclose if they're | 1:52:55 | 1:52:57 | |
pregnant at a job interview,
while a third think it's okay to ask | 1:52:57 | 1:53:01 | |
women about their
plans for children. | 1:53:01 | 1:53:10 | |
Sarah Rees was made redundant
while on maternity leave. | 1:53:10 | 1:53:18 | |
And Sue Coe is head
of employment at the Equality | 1:53:18 | 1:53:20 | |
and Human Rights Commission,
which carried out this research. | 1:53:20 | 1:53:25 | |
I am going to start with you, if I
can get more information about this | 1:53:25 | 1:53:29 | |
very interesting survey, or what did
you learn about employers attitudes? | 1:53:29 | 1:53:35 | |
What we learned was unfortunately,
many of them are decades behind the | 1:53:35 | 1:53:40 | |
law. They don't appear to be
engaging with the basic employment | 1:53:40 | 1:53:46 | |
rights of women. That figure, that
half of employers think is perfectly | 1:53:46 | 1:53:53 | |
reasonable to ask women in an
interview whether they have young | 1:53:53 | 1:53:58 | |
children, and a third go even
further, and think that it is | 1:53:58 | 1:54:02 | |
reasonable to ask women whether they
may have children in the future. | 1:54:02 | 1:54:07 | |
What we want employers to do is to
plant a flag in the ground and say, | 1:54:07 | 1:54:13 | |
we want to stop this, and we at the
equality and human rights commission | 1:54:13 | 1:54:18 | |
wants to support employers to change
and improve and we are inviting them | 1:54:18 | 1:54:24 | |
to join our initiatives, working
forward, to get support, tips and | 1:54:24 | 1:54:29 | |
advice from us and from there
appears to up their game on there. | 1:54:29 | 1:54:34 | |
What does the law say? The law is
very clear, it has been for decades, | 1:54:34 | 1:54:41 | |
you cannot make recruitment
decisions, turning down people | 1:54:41 | 1:54:46 | |
because they are women, because they
are pregnant, or because even they | 1:54:46 | 1:54:51 | |
might become pregnant in the future.
You work for a women's organisation, | 1:54:51 | 1:54:57 | |
we cannot say the name of the
organisation, when you were made | 1:54:57 | 1:55:01 | |
redundant while on maternity leave.
Astonishing. When you were pregnant, | 1:55:01 | 1:55:08 | |
presumably you felt really pregnant
telling them you had a baby on the | 1:55:08 | 1:55:10 | |
way and this is what you are going
to do. Totally, beforehand, could | 1:55:10 | 1:55:14 | |
not have treated me better, gave me
time to have appointments, a lovely | 1:55:14 | 1:55:18 | |
sendoff, it was afterwards that the
situation got into a difficult | 1:55:18 | 1:55:22 | |
position. What change when you were
on maternity leave? A huge lack of | 1:55:22 | 1:55:30 | |
communication, I try to get in
contact with them, e-mail colleagues | 1:55:30 | 1:55:33 | |
and bass to say I wanted to come
back, I had no response. Potentially | 1:55:33 | 1:55:39 | |
there may have been thinking, you
are on maternity leave, let's not | 1:55:39 | 1:55:43 | |
bother her. That concentrate on the
baby. It was me that got in touch | 1:55:43 | 1:55:47 | |
with them, saying I wanted to come
back. They should have had the | 1:55:47 | 1:55:52 | |
decency to reply to me. What
happened in the end? A trustee got | 1:55:52 | 1:55:58 | |
in touch and said, they are talking
about your redundancy in meetings | 1:55:58 | 1:56:01 | |
full. I am clear that you do not
know what is happening. I had a | 1:56:01 | 1:56:07 | |
letter in the post if you days
later. At my post was redundant. How | 1:56:07 | 1:56:14 | |
did you react? I was really sad and
upset and as a new mother I was | 1:56:14 | 1:56:19 | |
stressed enough, to have that happen
on top, really does dent your | 1:56:19 | 1:56:22 | |
confidence, I had gone from
supporting women in building | 1:56:22 | 1:56:27 | |
confidence, part of what my job was,
to feeling I could not leave the | 1:56:27 | 1:56:32 | |
house without crying. Did they start
to come up with things that they had | 1:56:32 | 1:56:34 | |
done wrong, when you were working?
Yes, I raised a grievance against | 1:56:34 | 1:56:39 | |
the way I was treated, it was
tit-for-tat, they came up with | 1:56:39 | 1:56:43 | |
things I had done wrong, in my eyes,
I had not done anything wrong, I had | 1:56:43 | 1:56:48 | |
gone on maternity leave and the
reason they were trying to raise | 1:56:48 | 1:56:51 | |
points was I had raised something
against them. Were you allowed to | 1:56:51 | 1:56:55 | |
attend the grievance hearing? No, it
was held in London, I was in | 1:56:55 | 1:57:00 | |
Cardiff, I was breast-feeding my new
daughter, 12 weeks old, and they | 1:57:00 | 1:57:04 | |
said they could not afford to have
someone come along with me to go to | 1:57:04 | 1:57:07 | |
the meeting. So you joined the
meeting on the phone, I could hear | 1:57:07 | 1:57:13 | |
my daughter crying so I could not
concentrate. | 1:57:13 | 1:57:15 | |
How do you reflect on the way they
treated you and what, what could you | 1:57:18 | 1:57:22 | |
have done in terms of pursuing the
way they treated you? At the time I | 1:57:22 | 1:57:28 | |
was not able to raise a case through
law because I did not have the money | 1:57:28 | 1:57:32 | |
to do that, it is good that women
are able to go to tribunal and not | 1:57:32 | 1:57:37 | |
have to pay for it themselves. But
it was a situation I did not want to | 1:57:37 | 1:57:43 | |
be in, I did not want to raise an
issue against them, I wanted to | 1:57:43 | 1:57:47 | |
concentrate on the positive things
of raising a child, being a mother. | 1:57:47 | 1:57:51 | |
Why did they get rid of you? I was
difficult, a situation they did not | 1:57:51 | 1:57:56 | |
want to deal with, much easier to
have me out of that situation so | 1:57:56 | 1:58:00 | |
they could then recruit people into
posts that did not have to deal with | 1:58:00 | 1:58:04 | |
things like children in the
background. Thank you very much. | 1:58:04 | 1:58:09 | |
Thank you for talking to us. Thank
you for joining us. | 1:58:09 | 1:58:13 | |
We are back tomorrow, 9am. Have a
good day, thank you very much. | 1:58:17 | 1:58:21 |