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Hello, it's Monday, it's 9am,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire -

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welcome to the programme.

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Our top story...

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The Prime Minister is to launch

a year-long review of how higher

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education is funded,

admitting that England has one

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of the most

expensive university systems.

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Also on the programme...

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Serial paedophile football coach

Barry Bennell will be sentenced

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today for abuse on an "industrial

scale" committed on young

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boys in his care.

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These men abused by Bennell told us

how important it is for them

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to see him in person in court today.

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I will be there and I will like him

in the eye.

It is important for you

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that he is there?

It is important

for me personally to get that

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closure and hopefully to hear the

judge say... Well, hopefully, life

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in prison.

Even up to his last

second he should be shown no

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remorse. I want to have that

opportunity to look him in the eye

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and show him that I have power now,

you does not have that power over

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me.

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Micky Fallon, abused by Bennell

from the age of 13, will read us

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part of his victim impact statement.

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Plus, will last week's Florida

school shooting mark a change in gun

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control laws in America?

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We know that there are mental health

issues and I am not a psychologist,

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but we need to pay attention to the

fact that this isn't just a mental

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health issue. He would not have hurt

that many students with a knife!

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Three students who survived last

weeks gun attack tell us why they're

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telling American politicans

"enough is enough".

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And...

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Three Billboards Outside Ebbing,

Missouri has dominated

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the Bafta film awards,

winning five trophies.

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It focuses on a woman looking for

justice, played by Francis

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McDormand, who picked up Best

Actress.

I have a little trouble

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with compliance.

LAUGHTER.

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But I want you to know that I stand

in full solidarity with my sisters

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tonight in black. Power to the

people.

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Hello, welcome to the programme.

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We're live until 11am this morning.

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Later we will talk about an

interesting report out today on

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employee is' attitudes to women who

work for them who happened to become

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pregnant. According to the survey

this morning, the majority of bosses

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think women should have to disclose

if they are pregnant at a job

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interview. They don't have to do

that. While a third think it is OK

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to ask women about their plans for

children, which is against the law.

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If you have been discriminated

against because you are pregnant,

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get in touch with us this morning.

We will speak to a woman who was

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sacked by her organisation, a

women's organisation, when she was

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on maternity leave.

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Our top story today...

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Theresa May will launch a year-long

review of how higher

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education is funded,

admitting that England has one

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of the most expensive systems

of tuition in the world.

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In a speech later,

the Prime Minister will say

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she shares the concerns of students

and parents about the cost

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of getting a degree.

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Labour has accused the Government

of simply kicking the problem

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into the long grass.

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Let's talk to Norman, who is at

Westminster. What kind of things

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will be discussed, do you think,

over the next year?

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We are told everything is on the

table except for one thing, which is

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the tuition fee system, that is

going to stay, but the view amongst

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ministers is that the current system

is just not working, that the costs

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are simply too steep and it is not

good value for money. So the sorts

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of things they want to look at is

whether they can encourage

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universities to provide shorter

courses, maybe two year courses so

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you do not run up such a long bill

-- such a big bill. Also encouraging

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more students to do computer

courses, to live at home and go to

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their local university, but of

course the big ticket item is the

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overall level of fees, with pretty

much every university charging the

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maximum of just over £9,000 for

pretty much every course. Don't hold

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your breath for the Government to

put those fees, there is not likely

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to be legislation forcing the fees

down, in part I think because if the

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Government were to do that there

will be howls of outrage claiming it

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was a middle-class tax subsidy. What

they seem to be talking about is

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trying to arm prospective students

with more information about courses

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and the job prospects they have, the

sort of salaries they have, in the

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hope that youngsters will say, well,

I will not do that cause because it

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is probably not going to lead to a

very well-paid job, so fewer would

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do the course, therefore

universities might think, we will

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have to make those causes more

attractive and cut the level of

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fees, and they hope that way to

create more of a market system in

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universities and thereby reduce some

of the fees for the less worthwhile

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causes.

Thanks, Norman, for the moment. If

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you are a student, we would like to

hear from you. What would you like

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to hear from Theresa May today? If

you are perhaps looking at going to

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university in the future, or

somebody who would rather pursue the

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technical qualification side, do get

in touch. You can messages on

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Twitter, there is WhatsApp, and

there is our Facebook page which is

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getting pretty big now, thanks to

you! Let's get the rest of the

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morning 's news.

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Here's Annita.

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An internal Oxfam report

on the sexual misconduct of some

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of its staff in Haiti in 2011 has

revealed that three of the men

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involved physically threatened

witnesses during the investigation.

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The charity has published

the document for the first time,

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saying it wants to be

as transparent as possible.

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Here's our diplomatic

correspondent, James Landale.

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In the wake of the earthquake

in Haiti in 2010, seven of the Oxfam

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staff sent there to help left

because as a result

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of their unacceptable behaviour.

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An internal report published today

shows one was dismissed and three

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resigned for using prostitutes

on Oxfam premises.

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Two more were dismissed for bullying

and intimidation, one of whom also

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downloaded pornography.

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And another man was sacked

for failing to protect staff.

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The report says three

of the suspects physically

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threatened witnesses

during the investigation.

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The 11-page document makes various

recommendations, including finding

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better mechanisms for informing

other aid agencies about

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so-called problem staff.

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This is something Oxfam

appears to have ignored,

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as Roland Van Hauwermeiren,

the charity's director in Haiti,

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went on to work for another aid

organisation in Bangladesh,

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even though the charity says

he resigned for using prostitutes.

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Parts of the reports are blacked out

to hide people's identities,

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but Oxfam says it has given

an unredacted copy to Haitian

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ministers, whom senior

managers from the charity

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will meet later today.

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James Landale, BBC News.

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Former football coach Barry Bennell

will be sentenced today

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for historical sexual assaults

committed on young boys in his care.

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The 64-year-old, who worked

with Manchester City

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and Crewe Alexandra's youth teams,

was convicted of 50 child sex

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offences at Liverpool Crown Court.

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The former scout is thought to have

abused more than 100 boys over

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a period spanning three decades.

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The Equality and Human Rights

Commission says a survey of 1100

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employers it commissioned has

revealed "antiquated" attitudes

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to recruiting women.

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The poll found that more than half

believed a woman should have

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to say if she was pregnant

during the recruitment process,

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and 44% thought women should work

for a firm for at least a year

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before having children.

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The mother of a seriously ill

six-year-old boy has described a

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Government decision to deny him

cannabis treatment as astonishing.

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Hannah Deacon wants ministers to

approve a medical cannabis license

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to help her son, Alfie, who rare

form of epilepsy improved after

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taking the drug. She has pleaded for

help to overturn the decision,

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saying cannabis oil is safer for her

son than his present treatment.

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Former shareholders in the collapsed

construction giant Carillion

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are calling for its management

to be investigated.

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Some have told MPs

that the company's

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executives must have known -

or should have known -

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about its cash flow problems

well before it went

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into liquidation last month.

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At the same time, say MPs, investors

were "fleeing for the hills".

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MPs are to scrutinise the pension

schemes at the retail

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empire of Topshop boss

Sir Philip Green.

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Frank Field, chairman of the Work

and Pensions Committee,

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said the move follows claims

Sir Philip was in talks to sell

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all or part of his business.

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Newspaper reports say

the billionaire has held talks

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with a Chinese textiles giant.

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A group of American teenagers

who survived a school shooting

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in Florida have announced a national

march on Washington to demand

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political action on gun control.

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They say they're determined

that the mass shooting,

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in which 17 people died,

will be a turning point

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in the debate about guns.

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The Bank of England says more

than £2 billion worth of old £10

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notes need to be spent or exchanged

in the next 10 days.

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The notes, featuring

Charles Darwin, cease to be legal

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tender on 1st March.

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Three Billboards Outside Ebbing,

Missouri, a film about a mother

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seeking justice for her daughter's

murder, was the big winner

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at the Bafta awards last night.

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It won five prizes, including best

film and best actress

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for Frances McDormand.

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The theme of justice and equality

for women dominated the event,

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with most guests wearing black

to show solidarity with campaigns

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against abuse and harassment.

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That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 9.30am.

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This message from Andy about

university tuition fees in the

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future, he suggests courses for

engineers, scientists, doctors and

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nurses should be subsidised but all

others should pay the full costs for

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their course.

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Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning -

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use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE.

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If you text, you will be charged

at the standard network rate.

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Let's get some sport...

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Sonali is with us, and there has

been drama for Team GB in curling at

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the Winter Olympics?

Yes, there has, lots of

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qualification events going on today

so a busy morning so far for the

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Brits and it went to the wire with a

curling but Great Britain's men made

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it four wins from seven. It was

tight throughout, nail-biting stuff,

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and eventually they came through 7-6

against Denmark which puts them in a

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strong position to earn a place in

the last four, that crucial last

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four. Just after 11am, Great

Britain's women take on Switzerland

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after the hog line controversy

yesterday.

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Less than two years after being told

she may never skate again, ice

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dancer Penny Combs and her partner

Nick Butler and have qualified for

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the final. Earlier this morning they

finished in tenth place ahead of

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tomorrow's free dance, where the

medals are decided after two

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routines. This routine was partly

choreographed by Christopher Dean

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who won Olympic gold alongside Jane

Torvill in 1984.

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And there were mixed fortunes out on

the snowboard Team GB?

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This was where the dramatic action

happened, those spectacles, and a

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great morning for row in Cheshire in

the freestyle skiing half pipe

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event. Her performance was good

enough to qualify for the finals but

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unfortunately the other Brit in the

competition, Molly Summerhays,

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missed out. Huge disappointment for

Amy Fuller in the snowboarding big

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air event. This is making its debut

at this year's games. She fell on

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both of her attempts, including a

huge crash in her second jump, so

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her Olympics is over. It looks like

her face took the brunt of the

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iceberg. This is her Tweet this

morning. Took wanted the grill were

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her words. But she say she is proud

and will keep on smiling.

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Just one more story... Away from the

winters, Tottenham's collective ego

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may be feeling bruised this morning,

the romance of the FA Cup evident

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for all to see over the weekend as

the club that is bottom of League 1,

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Rochdale, held high-flying spurs to

a 2-2 drawer. They have got a replay

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at Wembley thanks to this injury

time equaliser from Steve Davis.

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Spurs took the lead with Kane

penalty but the joy belonged to

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Rochdale in the end on their big day

out at Wembley.

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We knew, having gone 1-0 up in the

first half, we knew what would come

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in the second half. Although the

players got a little bit did, they

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responded superbly, their heads

could have gone down after the

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penalty and I feel as though we got

a deserved equaliser.

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That is all the sport for now. Thank

you, Sonali. More throughout the

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morning.

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Paedophile football coach

Barry Bennell will be sentenced

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today for historical sexual assaults

committed on young boys in his care.

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The 64-year-old was convicted of 50

child sexual offences,

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but the court heard those charges

reflected the "industrial scale"

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with which he targeted his victims.

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The former Crewe Alexandra coach

and Manchester City scout is thought

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to have abused more than 100 boys

over a period spanning

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three decades.

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The scale of his abuse was made

clear after our interview with these

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four players in November 2016,

which prompted dozens more

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victims to come forward.

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After Bennell's conviction

last week, we caught up

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with three of those players -

Andy Woodward, Steve Walters

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and Chris Unsworth -

and a fourth, Gary Cliffe,

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who told us how important it

would be to see him in court today.

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I have waited two and half years,

basically, to sit here with you to

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speak about this. I came forward in

September 2015, and I suppose you

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could say I have waited over 30

years, really. I myself got seven

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counts guilty, six counts on

Tuesday, I had to wait a day and

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then yesterday I got my final count

of guilty to make seven, but what I

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can say to you, Victoria, is if

people think this is horrific, this

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is not even scratching the surface.

You know and I know the real number

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is tenfold in terms of offences and

lads affected by this.

When you were

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hearing the verdict come in for each

offence, guilty, guilty, guilty,

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that must have been just so

emotional for all of you?

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that must have been just so

emotional for all of you?

Yes, it

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was a roller-coaster, that day, they

did not all come in, so, you know,

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the first ones came in, I had five

charges read out, all of them

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guilty, the boy next to me, he did

not.

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Just a roller-coaster. None of us

could celebrate until we all heard

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the guilty verdict.

It felt as

though... It felt as though my

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charges were guilty, perhaps

somebody else waiting on a verdict,

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and we will all in this all

together.

You will be in the same

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court room as him on Monday, as

sentencing happens, when he is in

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the room to hear what punishment he

will get for what he did to you, how

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do you feel like about seeing him

face-to-face?

I know I have said

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that I want to have my day with him,

I want to look him in the eye, see

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him face-to-face, and we did not get

that chance. When the trial was

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going on. Monday, I will be there, I

will look him in the eye.

It is

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important for you that he is...

Yes,

for me, it is important, personally,

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to get that closure, and hopefully

to hear the judge say, life.

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Hopefully, life in prison.

That will

be the final chapter of our closure.

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Give us the opportunity to move on.

And this man, up to his last

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seconds, shown no remorse, I want

the opportunity to look him in the

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eye and show him, I am over you now,

he does not have power over me.

I'm

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so pleased that I did do this,

because now, with initially Steve

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and Chris being on the couch, and

Gary in the background, doing stuff,

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you know, this has highlighted this,

and hopefully, it will save so many

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lives. Because we cannot lose anyone

else. What is more important is that

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football in general now, they are

standing up and they are accountable

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for what happened in the past but

more a importantly, that we can move

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things forward now.

This guy, he

knew what he was doing, and he

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rapped everyone around his little

finger. Basically.

Steve recently

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lost his mother, my father passed

away in August. At least we have

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been able to give our parents that

release. I know that my dad is up

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there watching, Steve's mother is,

as well, able to give them that

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release, that they were not on their

own... They were all manipulated,

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like every parent has been.

My

mother was diagnosed with lung

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cancer, in February, and passed away

in June. I hope that she is up

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there, watching down. She was my

rock. It has been hard.

My dad was

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my best friend, he watched me all

the way through, never missed a

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game, my mother and father, they

went all over the country. I know my

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mother is watching now, she is

really proud of me, finding it

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really hard, but I am so proud of

them and the way of the dignity,

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with which they have dealt with all

of this, it is hard for parents.

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There will be parents out there

suffering from this. I will say

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something that no parent in this

country who has been affected by

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Barry Bennell should have any guilt

or any shame, because he manipulated

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everybody.

And he is responsible.

He

manipulated everybody.

That was on

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Friday.

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We can speak now to

Micky Fallon,

one of Bennell's victims,

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who will be reading his victim

impact statement in court today.

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He has waived his right to anonymity

to talk to us. Thank you for coming

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on the programme.

Not a problem,

good morning.

Tell us what sort of

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punishment you are hoping for today.

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Today is our day today, hopefully he

will be put away and never see the

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light of day again. That would

probably be the perfect day, the

0:20:150:20:19

perfect ending for us, this man does

not deserve to walk in normal

0:20:190:20:23

society.

You are going to read your

victim impact statement out in court

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this morning, what are some of the

things that you will want to tell

0:20:300:20:35

the court room, and to tell Barry

Bennell?

So, the impact on me

0:20:350:20:42

personally, over 33 years has been

quite devastating. From 13, when

0:20:420:20:50

this happened to me, my dreams of

being a football player pretty much

0:20:500:20:55

diminished. I did stay at Crewe

Alexandra until the age of 18 but my

0:20:550:21:00

heart was never in it, I had chances

to go to other football clubs but I

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wanted to move home, I moved home

and I never moved away from Plymouth

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after that. I feel like the impact

on my football career was pretty

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damning. But in terms of as an

adult, subconsciously, what you

0:21:150:21:21

carry with you, that dirty secret,

quite devastating. There were very

0:21:210:21:28

similar stories, my personal story,

in my early 20s, I could not cope

0:21:280:21:33

with it, I turned to alcohol, it

took me two years to get myself

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through counselling, in terms of

being alcohol dependent, and that

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culminated in me trying to take my

own life. I don't think anyone can

0:21:440:21:49

underestimate the impact that

carrying this kind of secret has on

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you, not just as a child but has on

you when you move forward in your

0:21:530:21:57

adult life, it can be pretty

devastating.

You only told your

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partner about the abuse you had

endured after watching the interview

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on this programme in November, 2016,

when those former players spoke out

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about what Barry Bennell had done to

them. When you watched those men,

0:22:110:22:15

what effect did that have on you?

I

cannot explain the feelings,

0:22:150:22:24

watching, Steve, who was my friend,

before we even went to Crewe we grew

0:22:240:22:32

up together, we were mates, seeing

him sat on the Sofer, it hit me like

0:22:320:22:38

a train. -- sat on the sofa. It was

my moment to realise I had to

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confront this, to be brave enough to

come out with my secret, and deal

0:22:460:22:50

with it, or, do I deny, do I deny

myself, and deny people like Steve,

0:22:500:22:58

brave enough to sit there, to

acknowledge there is other is out

0:22:580:23:05

there. It hit me hard, personally I

thought it was the right thing to

0:23:050:23:08

do, to come forward, and to show

that actually, the scale of this, it

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is fairly phenomenal.

The first time

you were abused by Barry Bennell was

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over Christmas, you were staying at

his home, you moved up from Plymouth

0:23:190:23:24

to Crewe

0:23:240:23:25

his home, you moved up from Plymouth

to Crewe, Steve Walters moved as

0:23:250:23:27

well, close friend of yours, staying

there, over Christmas, with several

0:23:270:23:31

of the boys, in the early 1980s. We

can show an image of you on

0:23:310:23:37

Christmas Day, with a couple of the

other boys, that the audience will

0:23:370:23:41

be familiar with, Andy Woodward and

Steve waltzer. Barry Bennell's

0:23:410:23:46

Alsatian dog had bitten you on the

cheek and Barry Bennell would not

0:23:460:23:50

take you to hospital despite the

fact you were bleeding heavily, you

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were really vulnerable that day,

that is when the abuse began.

Yes,

0:23:530:24:01

Christmas eve, the dog bit me,

Christmas Eve morning. I clearly

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needed hospital treatment, I was

denied that opportunity by Barry

0:24:040:24:09

Bennell, he would not take me to

hospital, took me to a pharmacist,

0:24:090:24:14

pharmacist said, he needs medical

attention, he would not do that. I

0:24:140:24:17

guess that is all part of his

grooming process. I was vulnerable,

0:24:170:24:24

13 years old, first Christmas away

from my parents, and I believe that

0:24:240:24:29

the use that opportunity as an

opportunity to take my vulnerability

0:24:290:24:32

and... As you will see from what I

have described in evidence in court,

0:24:320:24:37

that moved onto driving us around

Manchester, scaremongering about the

0:24:370:24:43

places we were driving through,

taking us back to watch a horror

0:24:430:24:46

movie, at the age of 12, with a pet

puma walking around. Come and have a

0:24:460:24:58

cuddle, you must be feeling upset,

vulnerable, that was the grooming,

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that was how it started.

On

occasion, you would wake up in his

0:25:020:25:06

house, because he was abusing you.

That was terrifying. It is

0:25:060:25:10

terrifying. I was a young boy. You

would see from the pictures, people

0:25:100:25:19

will clearly see, I may well have

been 13 but probably, body wise,

0:25:190:25:23

mentality wise, I was a late

developer, I was a lot younger. I

0:25:230:25:29

was a really young boy and for that

to happen in the middle of the

0:25:290:25:32

night, I was petrified. Every time I

had to stay there, I would run to

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the top bunk, and that top bunk, he

still got to me but that was safety

0:25:380:25:43

for me. That was safety.

We have had

statements from Crewe and from then

0:25:430:25:50

manager Dario Gradi, now director of

football, suspended by the FA, they

0:25:500:25:59

say they did not know what Barry

Bennell was doing, they say it was

0:25:590:26:03

1994 before he realised what had

been going on. What a risk he was.

0:26:030:26:10

Cooperating with enquiries, running

their own enquiry. Is it feasible

0:26:100:26:15

that others at the time, other

adults did not know what a risk

0:26:150:26:20

Barry Bennell was?

My own personal

opinion on this matter is very

0:26:200:26:24

clear, I think it is clear to

everyone, the scale that this abuse

0:26:240:26:31

happened throughout these years.

Access to children, I personally

0:26:310:26:37

find it hard to believe that no

other adults understood, even if it

0:26:370:26:44

was just the potential risk that

they were putting us under. I find

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that hard to believe over the years,

that nobody even had any such

0:26:490:26:54

suspicions.

We are showing a picture

of you with Dario Gradi and Barry

0:26:540:26:59

Bennell. And also other teams used

to call you, what, they would call

0:26:590:27:04

you...

Yes, it was well known, we

are talking 30 odd years ago, people

0:27:040:27:09

would call us, here come the

paedophile boys... Crewe Alexandra

0:27:090:27:15

had a reputation back then for that

kind of thing, we would get called

0:27:150:27:20

that at the age of 12, 13, 14, 15,

it was not uncommon.

Why did you

0:27:200:27:28

want to speak out?

I sprained the

connection, for me speaking out now,

0:27:280:27:37

this is not so much about me, I am

46 years old, it happened to me a

0:27:370:27:42

long time ago, this now is all about

the future. And making sure that

0:27:420:27:49

this cannot happen again, not just

in football but sport in general,

0:27:490:27:52

this type of thing cannot happen,

children need to be able to play

0:27:520:27:55

sport and be safe from doing so, and

the work with the offside trust,

0:27:550:28:01

that is one of the reasons why I

have waved my right to anonymity, I

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want to speak out and show the

devastating effect that child abuse

0:28:050:28:08

can have a and we need to work with

the authorities within football,

0:28:080:28:13

within sport, and make sure that

safeguarding children at all levels,

0:28:130:28:18

grassroots rugby way through to

Premier League, is as tight as it

0:28:180:28:23

can be. Everyone talks about

historical child abuse, but this

0:28:230:28:27

still goes on today. Different scale

but we know it is still going on

0:28:270:28:31

today.

What are your thoughts

towards Barry Bennell?

I have no

0:28:310:28:40

feelings for that man whatsoever,

today is my day, and it is the rest

0:28:400:28:44

of the lads's day, I can walk into

court with my head held high, but

0:28:440:28:49

the first time, throughout this

trial, I can walk through without my

0:28:490:28:53

stomach going... All of that guilt

and feeling of being ashamed and

0:28:530:28:57

carrying that secret, today, for me,

will be transferred to that man. The

0:28:570:29:02

minute he gets his sentence and is

put away, that man is nothing to me,

0:29:020:29:06

nothing to any of the others, we can

put into one side and we can forget

0:29:060:29:11

about him. We can never forget about

the abuse, but we can forget about

0:29:110:29:16

him, he will be nothing to us.

Thank

you so much for speaking with us, we

0:29:160:29:22

really appreciate it. Mickey will be

in court today to hear what

0:29:220:29:28

punishment Barry Bennell will

receive.

0:29:280:29:35

Our reporter Jim Reed has been

following this story.

0:29:350:29:39

Sentencing around midday, very

important, as has been eloquently

0:29:390:29:43

explained by Mickey Fallon, not

least the fact this, through this

0:29:430:29:48

five-week trial, Barry Bennell was

never actually in court in person,

0:29:480:29:51

having evidence by video link from

Woodhill prison, near Malton Keynes,

0:29:510:29:56

because of ill-health, he has

cancer, fed through a chew, a

0:29:560:30:00

decision was made that he does not

have too attend. His lawyers made a

0:30:000:30:04

similar argument about sentencing,

the judge has refused that, so we

0:30:040:30:07

are expecting him to be in court for

the first time today. Liverpool

0:30:070:30:12

Crown Court, fairly small courtroom,

you can imagine a lot of the

0:30:120:30:17

complainants, the victims in the

case will be there, first time they

0:30:170:30:21

will have seen in this trial Barry

Bennell face-to-face, said at the

0:30:210:30:25

start, then they will have the

opportunity to give the victim

0:30:250:30:28

impact statements.

0:30:280:30:29

They all get to go in the witness

box and explain the impact on their

0:30:340:30:38

lives with Mr Benn out face-to-face

in front of them so it will be

0:30:380:30:42

important for many reasons, not just

that reason alone. And he will

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receive a prison term, it is not the

first time he will be getting a jail

0:30:460:30:51

sentence for abusing young boys?

Know, and the joy we did hear this

0:30:510:30:55

through the trial, this is the

fourth prison term he will be

0:30:550:30:58

sentenced to, the first back in 1994

in the United States, again in 98 in

0:30:580:31:03

this country, a gain in 2015 in this

country, then a fourth term in 2018.

0:31:030:31:08

In this case he is, the jury found

him guilty of 43 historic counts of

0:31:080:31:15

abuse, he admitted seven before the

start of the trial so he will be

0:31:150:31:18

sentenced to 50 count against 12

boys, the most serious of those is a

0:31:180:31:23

count called buggery which we don't

use these days, effectively rape,

0:31:230:31:27

but because these are historical

charges they use the old term. The

0:31:270:31:34

maximum term is life imprisonment,

we do not know what the judge for

0:31:340:31:37

sentencing to but that is the kind

of maximum sentence he could in

0:31:370:31:41

theory face. It also does not mean

that this trial is over. We

0:31:410:31:45

understand that police have received

more calls from people who said they

0:31:450:31:53

were abused by Barry Bennell who

were not involved in this latest

0:31:530:31:56

case of the investigation is likely

to go on, we don't know if there

0:31:560:31:59

will be fresh charges and

investigation, that is for the

0:31:590:32:02

future. Today is about the victims

and the sentencing of this man

0:32:020:32:06

around 12pm today.

And of course you will hear the

0:32:060:32:09

outcome here on BBC News.

0:32:090:32:10

Still to come...

0:32:100:32:14

Will last week's shooting in Florida

change gun laws? We will speak to

0:32:140:32:19

three student survivors of the

attack who are telling American

0:32:190:32:22

politicians that enough is enough.

And Hannah Jones made headlines when

0:32:220:32:28

she was 13 over her decision to

refuse a life-saving heart

0:32:280:32:32

transplant. She changed her mind a

year later. She is now 22 and will

0:32:320:32:38

join us to tell us about her life

now.

0:32:380:32:42

Time for the latest news -

here's Annita McVeigh.

0:32:420:32:46

The BBC News headlines

this morning...

0:32:460:32:48

Theresa May will today launch

a year-long review of how higher

0:32:480:32:50

education is funded,

admitting that England has one

0:32:500:32:52

of the most expensive systems

of tuition in the world.

0:32:520:33:02

In a speech in Derbyshire,

the Prime Minister will say

0:33:070:33:09

she shares the concerns of students

and parents about the cost

0:33:090:33:12

of getting a degree.

0:33:120:33:13

Labour has accused the Government

of simply kicking the problem

0:33:130:33:15

into the long grass.

0:33:150:33:16

Oxfam has revealed that charity

workers physically threatened

0:33:160:33:18

witnesses during an investigation

into sexual misconduct

0:33:180:33:20

in Haiti in 2011.

0:33:200:33:21

The report includes accusations

of bullying, intimidation of staff

0:33:210:33:23

and use of prostitutes,

as well as suggesting that Oxfam

0:33:230:33:27

bosses ignored a recommendation that

better ways should be found

0:33:270:33:29

to inform other charities

about problem staff.

0:33:290:33:34

The former football coach

Barry Bennell will be sentenced

0:33:340:33:36

today for historical sexual assaults

committed on young boys in his care.

0:33:360:33:40

The 64-year-old, who worked

with Manchester City

0:33:400:33:42

and Crewe Alexandra's youth teams,

was convicted of 50 child sex

0:33:420:33:48

offences at Liverpool Crown Court.

0:33:480:33:49

It's thought the former scout may

have abused more than one hundred

0:33:490:33:52

boys over a period spanning three

decades.

0:33:520:33:58

The equality and human rights

commission says a survey of 1100

0:33:580:34:02

employee of its commission has

revealed antiquated attitudes to

0:34:020:34:05

recruiting women. The poll found

more than half believe the woman

0:34:050:34:08

should have to save she was pregnant

during the recruitment process, and

0:34:080:34:13

44% thought women should work for a

firm for at least a year before

0:34:130:34:16

having children.

0:34:160:34:18

Three Billboards Outside Ebbing,

Missouri, a film about a mother

0:34:180:34:20

seeking justice for her daughter's

murder, was the big winner

0:34:200:34:23

at the Bafta awards last night.

0:34:230:34:27

It won five prizes, including best

film and best actress

0:34:270:34:30

for Frances McDormand.

0:34:300:34:31

The theme of justice and equality

for women dominated the event,

0:34:310:34:38

with most guests wearing black

to show solidarity with campaigns

0:34:380:34:41

against abuse and harassment.

0:34:410:34:42

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

0:34:420:34:46

Thank you for your messages

regarding those have spoken out

0:34:460:34:51

about the abuse they endured at the

hands of the former football coach

0:34:510:34:54

Barry Bennell. This text just says,

bless you, guys, I was abused as a

0:34:540:34:59

kid but never told anyone.

John on Facebook says, well done to

0:34:590:35:03

these men of your programme, I am 66

and was abused over several years in

0:35:030:35:07

my teens by a man who is now dead. I

had the courage to approach

0:35:070:35:10

authorities a couple of years ago

but I was ignored. I am now going to

0:35:100:35:16

go back and get the help I need.

Thanks for keeping this high

0:35:160:35:18

profile. The says, Bennell has never

shown remorse for what he has done.

0:35:180:35:23

I hope the sentencing brings closure

for the many people he heard. Now we

0:35:230:35:27

have to ask how he got away with it

for so long.

0:35:270:35:29

This is an e-mail from Stu, I am a

workmate of Gary Cliffe, Gary was

0:35:290:35:35

one of the people we spoke to on

Friday. I have known him for over

0:35:350:35:39

ten years. Just over a year ago I

met up with him for a copy. Normally

0:35:390:35:43

we would chat about sport or put the

world to rights, and Staffordshire

0:35:430:35:47

Police, where we both worked.

However, Gary calmly disclosed his

0:35:470:35:51

involvement as an injured party to

the Barry Bennell case which at the

0:35:510:35:54

time was headline news. This was

shocking and at the same time

0:35:540:35:57

explained a few things about Gary

and his lack of affection for his

0:35:570:36:09

footballing days with Manchester

City. The most thought-provoking

0:36:090:36:10

issue that has troubled me, Gary is

no different to just over half of us

0:36:100:36:13

detectives in Stoke-on-Trent t:i.d.

. White, 40 odd years old, working

0:36:130:36:16

class, a blow, not meant to be

victims of sexual offences. The only

0:36:160:36:18

difference between Gary and the rest

of us were his childhood talent at

0:36:180:36:22

football. It is testament to Gary

that over the years he somehow

0:36:220:36:27

managed to investigate the heavy

workload of serious crimes allocated

0:36:270:36:30

to him.

Thank you very much for those. If

0:36:300:36:32

you get in touch, you are welcome.

0:36:320:36:43

Here's some sport now with Sonali.

0:36:430:36:46

It has been a busy morning for the

Brits in Pyeongchang. The curling

0:36:460:36:50

went to the wire but Great Britain's

men made it four wins from seven. It

0:36:500:36:55

was tight and they eventually came

through 7-6 against Denmark which

0:36:550:36:59

puts them in a strong position to

earn a pace in the last four. Just

0:36:590:37:03

after 11am, Great Britain's women

take on Switzerland.

0:37:030:37:07

Less than two years after being told

she may never skate again, ice

0:37:070:37:10

dancer Penny Combs and her partner

Nick Putland have qualified for the

0:37:100:37:14

short dance

0:37:140:37:24

final.

They finished in tenth place ahead

0:37:390:37:41

of tomorrow's free dance where the

medals are decided. A good morning

0:37:410:37:43

for Rome in Cheshire in the

freestyle half pipe skiing event, a

0:37:430:37:46

good enough performance to qualify

for the finals but unfortunately the

0:37:460:37:48

other Brit in the competition, Molly

Summerhays, missed out. Huge

0:37:480:37:50

disappointment as well for Amy

Fuller in the snowboarding big aero

0:37:500:37:52

bed, making its debut at this yea

r's games. She fell on both of her

0:37:520:37:55

Olympics is over, I'm afraid,

including a big crash in her second

0:37:550:37:58

jump, so her Olympics is

0:37:580:38:01

Will last week's Florida school

shooting mark a change in gun

0:38:030:38:06

control laws in America?

0:38:060:38:07

The attack, which left 17 students

and staff members dead,

0:38:070:38:10

was the deadliest US school shooting

since the Sandyhook

0:38:100:38:12

massacre in 2012.

0:38:120:38:13

Now students at the school

in Parkland are standing up

0:38:130:38:15

to politicians and saying,

"Enough is enough".

0:38:150:38:17

They have united under the hashtag

#neveragain and are demanding

0:38:170:38:19

for immediate action to be taken

on gun-control

0:38:190:38:21

legislation in the US.

0:38:210:38:27

Over the weekend one student,

Emma Gonzalez, delivered

0:38:270:38:29

this emotional speech.

0:38:290:38:30

there will be more throughout the

are mental health issues and I am

0:38:300:38:35

not a psychologist, but we need to

pay attention to the we know they

0:38:350:38:38

are claiming there are mental health

issues and I am not a psychologist,

0:38:380:38:40

but we need to pay attention to that

this is not just a mental health

0:38:400:38:44

issue!

He would not have hurt that many

0:38:440:38:46

students with a knife!

APPLAUSE. Blaming the victims was

0:38:460:38:57

something that was the shooter's

fault how about we stop blaming the

0:38:570:39:02

victims was something that was the

shooter's faultlet him buy the guns

0:39:020:39:09

in the first place.

Those at the gun

shows, the people who encouraged him

0:39:090:39:14

to buy accessories for his guns to

make them fully automatic, the

0:39:140:39:18

people who didn't take them away

from him when they knew that he

0:39:180:39:22

expressed homicidal tendencies, and

I am not talking about the FBI! I am

0:39:220:39:27

talking about the people that he

lived with! I am talking about the

0:39:270:39:31

neighbours who saw him outside

holding guns! If -- how about we

0:39:310:39:41

stop blaming the victims? The fault

of the people who let him buy the

0:39:410:39:43

guns in the first place. Those at

the gun shows, the people who

0:39:430:39:46

encouraged him to buy accessories

for his guns to make them fully

0:39:460:39:48

automatic, the people who didn't

take them away from him when they

0:39:480:39:51

knew that he expressed homicidal

tendencies, and I am not talking

0:39:510:39:53

about the FBI! I am talking about

the people that he lived with! I am

0:39:530:39:56

talking about the neighbours who saw

him outside holding guns! If the

0:39:560:39:58

president wants to come up to me and

tell me it is a terrible tragedy and

0:39:580:40:02

how it should never and maintained

telling to be done about it, I will

0:40:020:40:04

happily ask him how much money he

received from the National Rifle

0:40:040:40:07

Association nothing

0:40:070:40:07

CHEERING. Know something? It doesn't

matter because I already know! Do

0:40:110:40:17

you want to know something? It

doesn't matter because I already

0:40:170:40:20

know! $30 billiondivided by the

number of gunshot victims in the

0:40:200:40:22

United States one and a half months

of 2018 alone, that comes out to

0:40:220:40:27

being $5,800. Is that how much these

people are worth to you, Trump one

0:40:270:40:32

and a half months of 2018 alone,

that comes out to being $5,800. Is

0:40:320:40:35

that how much these people are worth

to you, Trump?! You did not number

0:40:350:40:38

of gunshot victims will go up and

the number they are worth will go

0:40:380:40:41

down!

And we will be worthless to

you, to every politician taking

0:40:410:40:46

donations from the NRA, shame on

from continuing, that number of

0:40:460:40:58

gunshot victims will go up and the

number they are worth will go down!

0:40:580:41:01

And we will be worthless to you, to

every politician taking donations

0:41:010:41:04

from the NRA, shame on you!

0:41:040:41:05

So where does President Trump

stand on gun control?

0:41:110:41:12

-- shame on youyour second

Amendment, OK? I am going to save

0:41:170:41:23

your second Amendment I am going to

save your second Amendment, OK? I am

0:41:230:41:31

going to save your second. If some

of those great people that were in

0:41:310:41:38

that club had guns strapped to their

waists or strapped to other

0:41:380:41:42

direction, aimed at this guy who was

just open target practice, you would

0:41:420:41:47

have had a situation, folks, and if

the bullets were going in the other

0:41:470:41:52

direction, aimed at this guy who was

just open target practice, you would

0:41:520:41:54

have had a situation, folks, which

would always horrible but nothing

0:41:540:41:57

like suffered this weekend.

That we all, as a people, suffered

0:41:570:42:01

this weekend. By the way, if she

gets to pick Hillary wants to

0:42:010:42:09

abolish, centrally abolished, the

second Amendment.

0:42:090:42:10

By the way, if she gets to

pickalthough the second Amendment

0:42:100:42:16

people, maybe there is, I don't

know.

0:42:160:42:18

You know she is very much against

the second Amendment. She wants to

0:42:180:42:22

destroy your second Amendment. Guns,

guns, guns, right?

0:42:220:42:29

I am a very strong supporter of the

second Amendment and I am, I don't

0:42:390:42:42

know if Hillary were saying it in a

sarcastic manner, but I'm proud to

0:42:420:42:45

have the endorsement of the NRA and

it is the earliest endorsement they

0:42:450:42:49

have ever given to anybody who ran

for president.

0:42:490:42:57

So let me make a simple promise to

everyone of the freedom loving

0:42:570:43:02

Americans in the audience today. As

your president, I will never ever

0:43:020:43:10

infringe on the right of the people

to keep and bear arms. Never ever.

0:43:100:43:25

We can talk now to three students

from the school in Parkland.

0:43:290:43:32

Isabela Barry lost one

of her close friends that day.

0:43:320:43:35

Sawyer Garrity is 16

and recently moved to the school

0:43:350:43:38

and knew two of the victims.

0:43:380:43:40

And 16 year old Ashley Paseltiner,

who, along with Isabela and Sawyer,

0:43:400:43:43

had to hide from the gunman

for over 90 minutes.

0:43:430:43:45

We are very grateful to you for

getting up so early to talk to other

0:43:450:43:48

British audience, thank you so much.

Ashley, I want to begin with you, if

0:43:480:43:52

I may. You heard a firearm, you

thought it was a drill and you began

0:43:520:43:55

to file out. What happened after

that?

So, our classroom is right

0:43:550:44:01

across from the building where the

shooting happened. Our location for

0:44:010:44:05

where we are supposed to go during a

fire drill is right next to the

0:44:050:44:09

building, so my class started filing

out of the room, we were walking

0:44:090:44:13

across the grass towards the

building and we heard gunshots. I

0:44:130:44:17

believe I heard at least four of

them, and everything started to

0:44:170:44:22

scatter. It turned into chaos and we

ran into our classroom again. We

0:44:220:44:27

turned off the lights and we went

into the back closet, and we just

0:44:270:44:32

tried to stay quiet until it was all

over.

And you work texting

0:44:320:44:45

your mum and dad, what were they

saying to you?

My mum was just

0:44:460:44:49

telling me to be quiet. I kept

telling both of my parents how much

0:44:490:44:52

I love them, I couldn't imagine not

telling them again, but if something

0:44:520:44:55

were ever to happen, but they were

just trying to tell me to stay safe.

0:44:550:44:58

Isabela, one of your friends died on

the 14th of February, Helena Ramsey,

0:44:580:45:00

she was one of your close friends.

Tell our audience a little about

0:45:000:45:04

Helena?

She was really kind, so

selfless, she was one of just the

0:45:040:45:14

nicest people I will ever meet in my

life, and I'm just really glad I got

0:45:140:45:18

to meet her.

And when you realised

she was one of those who lost her

0:45:180:45:23

life, what did you think?

I started

with disbelief. I was kind of hoping

0:45:230:45:31

that she would be OK. We hoped we

would find her at hospital, but once

0:45:310:45:40

the search was over we kind of had a

feeling and we just tried to fight

0:45:400:45:44

that feeling, but we found out and

it was just, it was probably one of

0:45:440:45:50

the worst feelings I have ever felt

in my life.

Sawyer, you, too, were

0:45:500:45:56

hiding in the storage room, what was

that like for you?

It was bad. It

0:45:560:46:02

was claustrophobic, it was dark,

there was barely any air

0:46:020:46:07

ventilation, there was no service so

we could barely get in contact with

0:46:070:46:10

our parent and I remember the whole

time thinking, this is not how I

0:46:100:46:13

want to die, this is not how I want

to go.

0:46:130:46:18

What do you feel is the mood among

those who have survived this

0:46:190:46:23

shooting?

I think a lot of us feel

like it is our duty to change, to

0:46:230:46:35

make change in the world, but also a

lot of us feel guilty for being

0:46:350:46:40

alive

0:46:400:46:45

...

alive

0:46:450:46:46

... When

alive

0:46:460:46:46

... When so

alive

0:46:460:46:46

... When so many

alive

0:46:460:46:46

... When so many have

alive

0:46:460:46:47

... When so many have died.

alive

0:46:470:46:48

... When so many have died.

What

alive

0:46:480:46:49

... When so many have died.

What

about you, what you want to do now?

0:46:490:46:52

The most important thing out of all

of this is that we need to get

0:46:520:46:56

justice, justice for those 17

classmates of mine that have

0:46:560:47:01

unfortunately lost their lives. For

the 14 victims who were injured and

0:47:010:47:06

stop we have two fight for them,

because they do not have the ability

0:47:060:47:11

to at this moment. And it is very

important to me and I think to all

0:47:110:47:16

of my classmates and the rest of my

school that they receive justice,

0:47:160:47:21

through reform of better gun-control

laws and more mental health

0:47:210:47:27

awareness so that something like

this never has to happen to another

0:47:270:47:31

family or another school ever again.

Do you think that this, this is the

0:47:310:47:36

watershed, this is the tipping

point, and if you think it is, tell

0:47:360:47:42

us why it is different to Columbine,

or Sandy Hook.

I don't know why but

0:47:420:47:51

right now I do feel that, I don't

know why, but the uproar, the

0:47:510:47:57

ultimate support of everything going

round right now is amazing. And I

0:47:570:48:04

think that as a whole, this was a

great community to be a part of, and

0:48:040:48:13

when this happened, we all flocked

together, in Parkland, and we were

0:48:130:48:17

able to say, enough is enough, we

are not letting this happen to

0:48:170:48:23

another school or community again.

For that to happen, what has to

0:48:230:48:27

change, to make sure this does not

happen to another school?

Better

0:48:270:48:33

gun-control laws. Background checks.

Maybe not even to sell automatic

0:48:330:48:41

weapons, because if anyone feels

they need one, that they genuinely

0:48:410:48:45

need an automatic weapon, they

probably don't need one! They

0:48:450:48:48

probably should not be getting one

in the first place. I think that if

0:48:480:48:56

someone did the smallest background

check on this man, then they would

0:48:560:49:03

have realised he was not fit to have

even the dainty is type of gun.

What

0:49:030:49:11

do you want to see change to

specifically?

I believe that there

0:49:110:49:16

should be better background checks,

and I wish that the entire country

0:49:160:49:23

was on the same pains as us.

--

daintiest.

I understand some people

0:49:230:49:30

think that we are infringing on

their second Amendment rights, we

0:49:300:49:34

are not trying to take away their

handguns or protection, just

0:49:340:49:38

stricter and, you know, common-sense

laws to be placed. -- I wish that

0:49:380:49:44

the entire country was on the same

page as us. Laws so that people who

0:49:440:49:49

have dangerous records, homicidal

thoughts, so that they will not be

0:49:490:49:53

able to get their hands on a

semiautomatic rifle that can kill so

0:49:530:49:55

many people!

This has been said

before, there are many messages from

0:49:550:50:02

the audience, who are praising your

eloquence and dignity and your

0:50:020:50:08

bravery this morning, Leo says this,

all these children who go to these

0:50:080:50:14

college schools should boycott them,

that would make your government

0:50:140:50:19

listen, actions speak louder than

words, unite and holds tight and

0:50:190:50:24

boycott school and then your voices

will be heard, what you say to that?

0:50:240:50:29

I feel that that is probably a good

way to get things done, I know that

0:50:290:50:34

there has been talk around my

community about having specific

0:50:340:50:38

dates, calling it a walk-out, where

we will not attend school until

0:50:380:50:43

things change. I have many

classmates of mine who feel the same

0:50:430:50:47

way, who will not be attending

school in the next week that we go

0:50:470:50:52

back, and I think that it will

really bring a lot of attention to

0:50:520:50:56

this.

On Tuesday, many of you are

going, about 100 of you are going to

0:50:560:51:05

Tallahassee, tell us what you are

going there, what will you be doing?

0:51:050:51:11

We are going to a meeting with

representatives, in Tallahassee,

0:51:110:51:14

from our government, and we are

going to split up into groups of

0:51:140:51:18

kids and we are all going to speak

to them about what we want, and what

0:51:180:51:24

we want to change, and all the

things that need to be said,

0:51:240:51:29

face-to-face. Thank you for speaking

with us.

Thank you for speaking to

0:51:290:51:40

this British audience.

0:51:400:51:43

After ten o'clock, we will be

talking about the cost of higher

0:51:520:51:56

education in England.

0:51:560:51:58

When Hannah Jones was 13 years

old she made national headlines

0:52:010:52:04

over her decision to refuse

a life-saving heart transplant,

0:52:040:52:06

giving herself the right to die.

0:52:060:52:08

Hannah had spent so much

of her childhood in hospitals

0:52:080:52:10

being treated for leukaemia

that she simply could not

0:52:100:52:12

face any more treatment.

0:52:120:52:20

It says somewhere that if you have a

heart transplant, you have to have

0:52:200:52:23

one and then go back and have

another one in ten years, not

0:52:230:52:27

another stay in hospital, I thought,

it is not worth it, and that made me

0:52:270:52:31

think, no thanks. I thought it was

not worth it. I have had enough.

0:52:310:52:42

Just after her 14th birthday, to

change the mind, she had the heart

0:52:420:52:45

transplant. Now, at the age of 22,

she's here to talk to us about that

0:52:450:52:51

life-saving change of heart. You are

well, you have had a recent checkup.

0:52:510:52:56

Nine years this summer everything is

going fine.

Nine years, my goodness.

0:52:560:53:04

You were five years old when you

were diagnosed with leukaemia. How

0:53:040:53:07

much do you remember about the

treatment that was involved then as

0:53:070:53:12

you were growing up?

0:53:120:53:17

They class chemotherapy as a cure

for leukaemia, trying everything and

0:53:170:53:21

anything they could to make me well,

I remember being ill as a well and

0:53:210:53:25

every day was in hospital, same

thing every day, I understand they

0:53:250:53:28

were trying to make me better, doing

everything in my best interest but I

0:53:280:53:32

realised I was not a normal child

and that was probably how my life

0:53:320:53:35

would be.

How did the leukaemia

damage your heart?

It was working at

0:53:350:53:42

20 of 30% of a normal heart, I could

not keep up with my peers, I missed

0:53:420:53:47

a lot of my schooling, I was not

having a normal life.

Thinking back

0:53:470:53:54

to your decision to refuse the heart

transplant as a 13-year-old, what do

0:53:540:53:57

you think of your 13-year-old self?

I think that I was incredibly brave,

0:53:570:54:02

maybe slightly naive but I think it

was very brave to go against all

0:54:020:54:06

those people who said, you should go

and have that will stop looking back

0:54:060:54:10

on it, I knew what was the best

thing for me, that was the only

0:54:100:54:13

thing that mattered.

Because too

much of your life had been spent in

0:54:130:54:18

hospitals?

Same for walls, doing the

same thing every day, at some point

0:54:180:54:22

you have to say, no. -- same four

walls.

One of the things that made

0:54:220:54:29

you change your mind which your

desire to go to your school prom.

I

0:54:290:54:35

wanted the big dress, the tiara, the

hair, the make up, I wanted to

0:54:350:54:39

finish off my high school life,

although I had not been there for

0:54:390:54:42

all of it, I wanted to experience it

with all my friends.

Indeed, you did

0:54:420:54:46

make it, after the operation.

It was

not long until after I had it and I

0:54:460:54:54

thought, I am here, it was a great

feeling.

How do you reflect on the

0:54:540:54:59

fact that your story became national

news headlines, it was massive?

I

0:54:590:55:05

cannot believe it went that far, I

thought I was ordinary until I saw

0:55:050:55:10

my face on television, and I

thought, maybe someone has taken

0:55:100:55:13

notice. Up until then I thought I

was a normal child.

We will play

0:55:130:55:20

this clip, you were grappling with

the decision, you said you wanted it

0:55:200:55:28

but you were grappling with it.

I

did a 360 there. Obviously people

0:55:280:55:39

will still be asking me, do you want

this, what is your decision? I don't

0:55:390:55:43

know... It is not an easy decision

to make. And I will fight anybody

0:55:430:55:51

who says it is, because it is not.

Nobody should have to make it. Not

0:55:510:55:58

even a person as young as me should

have to make it, nobody should have

0:55:580:56:02

to make it.

You were smiling then

but that is a real, that is really

0:56:020:56:10

illustrative of how much pressure

you were under.

Really is, yes and

0:56:100:56:13

looking back I was thinking, I was

so young, so little, how did I make

0:56:130:56:18

that decision in the end?

Do you

remember the surgeons, the surgeon

0:56:180:56:23

who did it?

I do, and on the day,

the day he was due to go on holiday,

0:56:230:56:29

getting on a flight, he got the call

to say there was a heart for me, he

0:56:290:56:34

decided to not go on holiday and

instead do the transplant.

We will

0:56:340:56:38

bring him in, he is here. I hope he

is here, here he comes. Hello, good

0:56:380:56:46

morning, how are you? Come in. You

may remember Hannah.

We have not

0:56:460:56:57

seen each other in a long time.

Since surgery.

I am speechless. Not

0:56:570:57:03

a good thing on live television!

LAUGHTER

0:57:030:57:07

Amazing.

I just want to say, thank

you.

You change your mind, with that

0:57:070:57:15

decision, you changed your life.

Amazing. Ten years.

Nearly, I can't

0:57:150:57:22

believe it, looking back now, I

think, I have grown up so much.

0:57:220:57:27

Having a transplant, when you came

to see me, I was thinking, this has

0:57:270:57:31

actually changed my life and it is

because of you that I am here today.

0:57:310:57:36

It is almost like a dream that comes

true. Because I remember, you had a

0:57:360:57:44

heart transplant, a piggyback

transplant when you were a baby, for

0:57:440:57:46

severe heart failure,

0:57:460:57:50

I recall that you have convocations

developed relating to the heart

0:57:550:58:03

transplantation, but we figured out

what the problem was, and we took

0:58:030:58:07

the decision to remove the diseased

donor's heart, and the operation

0:58:070:58:15

went well, and you had a normal life

with your own heart will stop with

0:58:150:58:21

no medications. And now you have

graduated! What more does a heart

0:58:210:58:30

surgeon want!

LAUGHTER

So interesting to hear you speak

0:58:300:58:34

about this in the way you are

talking about it, I don't now how

0:58:340:58:37

often you would see a patient ten

years after the event, a patient

0:58:370:58:42

clearly happy and thriving and well.

That is why you do it.

It is a

0:58:420:58:51

privilege to be able to deliver this

sort of service, and it is quite an

0:58:510:58:55

honour to be able to do this sort of

work at Great Ormond Street

0:58:550:58:59

Hospital. I think you are a very

good example, we are building a very

0:58:590:59:05

successful transplant programme on

top of a very successful baby heart

0:59:050:59:08

surgery programme, the two go

together hand-in-hand. You are a

0:59:080:59:13

perfect example. For ten years, the

results of transplantation have

0:59:130:59:19

improved a lot. And we have better

drugs to deal with the complications

0:59:190:59:25

that we need. We still have a major

problem. The problem is the

0:59:250:59:34

limitation in the donor

availability.

Absolutely.

I think

0:59:340:59:38

your programme is very useful, at

least we are talking about it. We

0:59:380:59:47

are paying attention to the problem.

I hope that message will get across

0:59:470:59:52

to the population, we need support,

because we get a lot more patients

0:59:520:59:57

now waiting for the transplant

because it has been very successful.

0:59:571:00:04

Thank you both, thank you very much,

nice to see you reunited since the

1:00:041:00:08

operation. I know that you are

extremely busy, we are grateful for

1:00:081:00:13

your time, but I know that you

wanted to come to see Hannah.

It is

1:00:131:00:19

amazing.

1:00:191:00:20

We will bring the latest news and

sport in a moment but first the

1:00:261:00:29

weather.

1:00:291:00:30

After what has been a cold few

weeks, we started the day frost free

1:00:331:00:38

across just about all of the UK. But

it is a week of change, it will turn

1:00:381:00:44

a bit colder but also become drier

because for the moment it is fairly

1:00:441:00:48

damp out there, outbreaks of rain

and drizzle continued through parts

1:00:481:00:52

of Scotland and Central eastern

England at the moment, cloud

1:00:521:00:55

breaking up to allow some sunshine

through, generally a fairly cloudy

1:00:551:00:58

day but a bit of sunshine and it

almost feels like spring is upon us,

1:00:581:01:02

temperatures up to 13, maybe 14 in

some spots. Always cooler in the

1:01:021:01:06

eastern areas with the rain, and

this evening Northern Ireland and

1:01:061:01:11

Scotland will see a spell of rain

from West to east for a time, a few

1:01:111:01:14

splashes of rain and the wettest

weather in eastern Scotland, Eastern

1:01:141:01:19

counties of England. Later on the

skies were clear to the west,

1:01:191:01:23

temperatures will drop, there could

be some frost tomorrow morning but

1:01:231:01:25

most will be frost free, a vastly

brighter day through much of

1:01:251:01:30

Scotland, Northern Ireland, western

England and Wales, good sunny spells

1:01:301:01:33

throughout, eastern England staying

cloudy and across parts of East

1:01:331:01:37

Yorkshire, Lincolnshire, East Anglia

into the south-east, further rain or

1:01:371:01:40

drizzle at times but it stays mild,

things are on the change, the

1:01:401:01:44

weather trend showed us nicely

through the rest of the week,

1:01:441:01:49

temperatures dropping as a strong

easterly wind picks up. We will keep

1:01:491:01:52

you updated, goodbye for now.

1:01:521:01:55

Hello, it's Monday, it's 10am,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

1:02:021:02:04

Our top story...

1:02:041:02:05

Theresa May is to launch a year-long

review of how higher

1:02:051:02:07

Theresa May is to launch a year-long

review of how higher

1:02:071:02:07

Theresa May is to launch a year-long

review of how higher

1:02:081:02:08

education is funded,

admitting that England has one

1:02:081:02:10

of the most expensive

university systems.

1:02:101:02:11

The Education Secretary Damian Hinds

says thieves need to be addressed.

1:02:111:02:13

The average fee is something like

£9,000, very close to the top. We

1:02:131:02:20

want to see more variety on that.

1:02:201:02:21

We'll be speaking to students

and politicians about the cost

1:02:211:02:24

of higher education.

1:02:241:02:25

Also on the programme...

1:02:251:02:26

Serial paedophile football coach

Barry Bennell will be sentenced

1:02:261:02:28

today for abuse of dozens of boy

on an "industrial scale".

1:02:281:02:37

Micky Fallon, who was abused by Ben

Els from the age of 13, told us what

1:02:371:02:42

a devastating impact it has had on

his life.

I could not cope with it,

1:02:421:02:47

I turned to alcohol, took me two

years to get myself some counselling

1:02:471:02:51

in terms of being alcohol dependent,

and that accumulated in me trying to

1:02:511:02:56

take my own life at one stage.

We will be live outside Liverpool

1:02:561:02:59

Crown Court before 11am.

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And Three Billboards Outside Ebbing,

Missouri has dominated the BAFTA

1:03:081:03:11

film awards, winning five trophies.

1:03:111:03:14

It focuses on a woman

looking for justice,

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played by Frances McDormand,

who picked up Best Actress.

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I have a little trouble with

compliance. But I want you to know

1:03:231:03:28

that I stand in full solidarity with

my sisters tonight in black. Power

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to the people.

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Here's Annita McVeigh

in the BBC Newsroom

1:03:471:03:49

with a summary of today's news.

1:03:491:03:51

Theresa May will today launch

a year-long review of how

1:03:511:03:53

higher education is funded,

admitting that England has one

1:03:531:03:55

of the most expensive systems

of tuition in the world.

1:03:551:03:58

In a speech in Derbyshire,

the Prime Minister will say

1:03:581:04:00

she shares the concerns of students

and parents about the cost

1:04:001:04:03

of getting a degree.

1:04:031:04:06

Labour has accused the government

of simply kicking the problem

1:04:061:04:09

into the long grass.

1:04:091:04:10

Oxfam has revealed that

charity workers physically

1:04:101:04:11

threatened witnesses

during an investigation into sexual

1:04:111:04:13

misconduct in Haiti in 2011.

1:04:131:04:16

The report includes accusations

of bullying, intimidation of staff

1:04:161:04:18

and use of prostitutes,

as well as suggesting that Oxfam

1:04:181:04:21

bosses ignored a recommendation that

better ways should be found

1:04:211:04:23

to inform other charities

about problem staff.

1:04:231:04:33

The former football

coach Barry Bennell

1:04:431:04:44

will be sentenced today

for historical sexual assaults

1:04:441:04:46

committed on young boys in his care.

1:04:461:04:49

The 64-year-old, who worked

with Manchester City

1:04:491:04:51

and Crewe Alexandra's youth teams,

was convicted of 50 child sex

1:04:511:04:53

offences at Liverpool Crown Court.

1:04:531:04:58

over a period spanning

three decades.

1:04:581:05:03

The Equality and Human

Rights Commission says

1:05:031:05:06

a survey of 100 employers it

commissioned has revealed

1:05:061:05:08

"antiquated" attitudes

to recruiting women.

1:05:081:05:09

The poll found that more than half

believed a woman should

1:05:091:05:12

have to say if she was pregnant

during the recruitment process,

1:05:121:05:18

and 44% thought women should work

for a firm for at least a year

1:05:181:05:21

before having children.

1:05:211:05:25

The mother of a seriously ill

six-year-old boy has described the

1:05:251:05:28

decision not to allow him to use

medically license cannabis is

1:05:281:05:35

astonishing. She has pleaded for

help to overturn the decision,

1:05:351:05:38

saying cannabis oil is safer for her

son and his present treatment.

1:05:381:05:42

A group of American teenagers who

survived a school shooting in

1:05:421:05:46

Florida has announced a national

march on Washington to demand

1:05:461:05:50

political action on gun control.

They said they are determined that

1:05:501:05:54

the mass shooting in which 17 people

died will be a turning point in the

1:05:541:05:58

debate about guns.

Former shareholders in collapsed

1:05:581:06:02

construction giant Carillion are

calling for its management to be

1:06:021:06:05

investigated. Some have told MPs

that the company's executives lost

1:06:051:06:09

or should have known about its cash

flow problems well before it went

1:06:091:06:12

into liquidation last month. At the

same time, say MPs, investors were

1:06:121:06:17

fleeing for the hills.

1:06:171:06:24

Three Billboards Outside

Ebbing, Missouri,

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a film about a mother seeking

justice for her daughter's

1:06:251:06:28

murder, was the big winner

at the Bafta awards last night.

1:06:281:06:30

It won five prizes including best

film and best actress

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for Frances McDormand.

1:06:331:06:34

The theme of justice and equality

for women dominated the event,

1:06:341:06:36

with most guests wearing black

to show solidarity with campaigns

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against abuse and harassment.

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That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10.30am.

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Thank you. Messages from you about

our interview with survivors of the

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shooting in Florida last week. We

spoke to 316-year-olds who described

1:06:581:07:02

with calm eloquence how terrifying

it was and that they want to see

1:07:021:07:05

change. Audrey says, this is

heartbreaking, young children cut

1:07:051:07:09

down senselessly, no question that

gun laws in the US need to change.

1:07:091:07:13

Brave girl for speaking out, you are

the voices that need to be listened

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to.

Chuck says, congratulations, Donald

1:07:171:07:18

Trump, you have created the first

generation of citizens who will

1:07:181:07:24

amend your ridiculous gun laws.

Another says, when the second

1:07:241:07:28

Amendment was written it was on

people had muskets, not military

1:07:281:07:32

grade or two presence. America will

never ban the ownership of weapons

1:07:321:07:35

because it is written into the law.

This from Josh, I will never fully

1:07:351:07:41

understand

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guns.

Thank you for those.

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Let's get some sport with Sarah.

The Winter Olympics went down to the

1:07:581:08:03

wire, Great Britain's men needed

four wins from seven in the curling

1:08:031:08:07

and it was tight throughout but

eventually they came through 7-6

1:08:071:08:11

against Denmark which puts them in a

very strong position to earn a place

1:08:111:08:14

in the last four. Just after 11am,

GB's women will take on Switzerland,

1:08:141:08:20

that is after the hog line

controversy yesterday so we will see

1:08:201:08:23

how they get on.

Less than two years after being told

1:08:231:08:28

she may never skate again after a

very nasty knee injury, shattered in

1:08:281:08:34

eight places, I dancer Penny Combs

and her partner Nick Bjorklund have

1:08:341:08:38

qualified for the short dance final.

Earlier this morning, this was their

1:08:381:08:42

routine, finishing tenth place ahead

of tomorrow's free dance where the

1:08:421:08:47

medals are decided after two

routines. Christopher Dean, who won

1:08:471:08:52

Olympic gold alongside Jane Torvill

back in 1984, helped choreograph

1:08:521:08:56

this routine.

It was a good morning for Rowan

1:08:561:09:02

Cheshire in the freestyle skiing

half pipe. Her performance was good

1:09:021:09:05

enough to see her qualify for the

finals. Unfortunately, though, the

1:09:051:09:10

other Brit in the competition, Molly

Summerhays, missed out.

1:09:101:09:15

There was huge disappointment as

well for Amy Fuller in the

1:09:151:09:18

snowboarding big error event. This

is making its debut at the games

1:09:181:09:23

this year. Fuller fell on both

attempts, including that big crush

1:09:231:09:27

on her second jump. Unfortunately,

her Olympics is over. And it looks

1:09:271:09:33

like her face took the brunt of that

iceberg, this was her Tweet this

1:09:331:09:37

morning...

Snowboarding parlance there! Away

1:09:371:09:44

from the winters, Tottenham's

collective ego may be feeling

1:09:441:09:47

bruised this morning, the romance of

the FA Cup evident for all to see

1:09:471:09:51

over the weekend as the club at the

bottom of League 1, Rochdale, held

1:09:511:09:59

high-flying spurs to a 2-2 draw.

They have bagged a replay at Wembley

1:09:591:10:02

thanks to an injury time equaliser

from Steve Davies. Spurs took the

1:10:021:10:06

lead through a Harry Kane penalty

but the joy belonged to Rochdale.

1:10:061:10:10

Their fans, they have a big day out

at Wembley ahead.

1:10:101:10:16

Roger Federer followed up his return

to the top of the men's tennis

1:10:161:10:20

rankings by winning the Rotterdam

open, beating Grigor Dimitrov in the

1:10:201:10:23

final. The 20 time grand slam

champion, who has been confirmed as

1:10:231:10:29

world number one today, beat Dimmock

Rob 6-26-2 for his 97th title. --

1:10:291:10:37

beat Dimmock Rob 6-2, 6-2.

Australian Wayne Bennett has been

1:10:371:10:42

reappointed as England rugby league

coach. He guided the site last

1:10:421:10:46

year's World Cup final, where they

lost 6-0 to hosts and favourites

1:10:461:10:50

Australia. There is no guarantee he

will lead England into the 2021

1:10:501:10:54

World Cup.

And that is the sport for now. Thank

1:10:541:10:58

you, Sarah.

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It's been a tricky political issue

for successive ministers -

1:11:011:11:04

how to pay for university education

for students from England.

1:11:041:11:06

Labour first controversially

introduced tuition

1:11:061:11:08

fees in the late 90s.

1:11:081:11:11

The Lib Dems promised to scrap fees

altogether but once in power voted

1:11:111:11:16

to triple them to £9000 a year.

1:11:161:11:23

And, at last June's general

election, when Theresa May

1:11:231:11:25

lost her majority, many put

Jeremy Corbyn's surprise success

1:11:251:11:27

down to his support among young

people and his own pledge

1:11:271:11:29

to scrap the fees.

1:11:301:11:31

Well, later today the Prime Minister

will step into the debate.

1:11:311:11:33

She's expected to say she "shares

the concerns" of young people,

1:11:331:11:36

parents and grandparents

about the fees system,

1:11:361:11:38

as she launches review

of how our universities are funded.

1:11:381:11:40

Let's look ahead to Mrs May's

speech and ask what it

1:11:401:11:43

might mean for students -

and their bank balances.

1:11:431:11:49

With me here are students

Abdi Duale, a Labour

1:11:491:11:55

activist, and Ellie King,

a Conservative activist.

1:11:551:11:58

We've also got the Conservative

chairman of the education select

1:11:581:12:07

-- the vice chancellor

of the University of

1:12:071:12:11

Bedfordshire Bill Rammell.

1:12:111:12:16

This has been pretty damning for

vice chancellors like yourself? The

1:12:161:12:19

reason we have an expensive system

is because in 2012 the Government

1:12:191:12:22

cut the teaching bread to

universities by 80% and fees have

1:12:221:12:27

gone up to deliver a good student

experience. If the Government...

But

1:12:271:12:33

some courses are cheaper than others

yet you all charged £9,250, pretty

1:12:331:12:39

much.

About 50% of the costs are

non-core specifics are they apply to

1:12:391:12:43

students across the board and there

is a perverse incentive built in by

1:12:431:12:49

the Government which suggests it

want some courses to be cheaper than

1:12:491:12:51

others. It will encourage poorer

students to choose courses which are

1:12:511:12:56

not necessarily the courses that

they want to undertake. If the

1:12:561:13:00

system broken? No, I don't believe

it is. There is no evidence students

1:13:001:13:04

have been deterred from applying to

university and applications have

1:13:041:13:08

gone up fastest amongst students

from poorer backgrounds...

Which is

1:13:081:13:12

true, but it is whether what you are

charging them is fair?

I think it

1:13:121:13:24

is. If you look in the university

investments, facilities,

1:13:241:13:26

improvements in staff to student

with years, all of that has led to

1:13:261:13:29

an all-time high satisfaction levels

amongst students as measured by the

1:13:291:13:31

National student survey, so I think

the system is working but there are

1:13:311:13:34

changes that can and should be made.

The Government committed a gross

1:13:341:13:38

error when it abolished nonrepayable

grants for poorer students and I

1:13:381:13:42

think that should be returned, and I

think they need to look up the

1:13:421:13:45

interest rate charged which, for

some students, 6.1%, is arguably

1:13:451:13:53

penal at a time when interest rates

are at an all-time low.

Let me speak

1:13:531:13:59

to the students, then. Is this

working?

Tuition freeze our free at

1:13:591:14:04

the point of use... When Angela

Rayner says they are not, they are,

1:14:041:14:10

the £9,000 does not deter you from

applying, we have more

1:14:101:14:14

underprivileged people coming

university than ever before but I

1:14:141:14:16

think the problem is interest rates

and the problem is interest rates

1:14:161:14:19

and of repayment threshold, we

should raise the repayment

1:14:191:14:21

threshold, it is going up to

£25,000, I think it is, and that

1:14:211:14:25

means students earning less are

paying such small amounts of the

1:14:251:14:30

month, I think it would be £15 a

month they are paying back towards

1:14:301:14:33

their tuition, so many students will

not even write it off, it will be

1:14:331:14:36

written off after 30 years and I

think the interest rates do need to

1:14:361:14:40

be lower because I think that is

absolutely ridiculous.

What about

1:14:401:14:43

the cost of courses at the moment?

I

think it would be nice to have them

1:14:431:14:50

lowered, but, as the Vice Chancellor

was saying, if we lower than it is

1:14:501:14:54

at risk of losing bursaries for

people from underprivileged

1:14:541:14:56

backgrounds, support for those

people of getting into education. I

1:14:561:15:01

received a bursary from the

Government and from my university,

1:15:011:15:04

and if I did not have that it would

be a barrier.

I think the argument

1:15:041:15:07

that somehow students sought tuition

fees and ran away from university, I

1:15:071:15:14

think the reason people are playing

is because they need a degree to get

1:15:141:15:19

a good job so...

It must be

interesting that it has not put

1:15:191:15:26

people off?

The amount of students

applying for part-time degrees has

1:15:261:15:29

gone down dramatically, more than

50%.

But not full-time courses?

1:15:291:15:35

Those students who might have wanted

to work as well a study. If you look

1:15:351:15:39

at older students changing careers,

a lot of them are deterred because

1:15:391:15:43

of the tuition fee so it is

deterring students. But they are not

1:15:431:15:48

getting value for money, lecturers

are striking because people at the

1:15:481:15:51

top of the University are being paid

ridiculous amounts of money when

1:15:511:15:54

lecturers' pensions are cut

year-on-year.

I think it is bizarre.

1:15:541:15:58

So what should change? Ellie says

interest rate should come down and

1:15:581:16:02

there should be an increase in the

threshold before you start paying

1:16:021:16:05

back? Tuition fees need to be cut

further than £6,000, 6000 is

1:16:051:16:10

ridiculous but the Government

incentive on... How should that be

1:16:101:16:16

funded, general taxation?

You can

bring in graduate tax, there are

1:16:161:16:20

different routes that we can

support.

Are you saying that the

1:16:201:16:24

people who do degrees, and benefit,

should be the ones paying for it?

1:16:241:16:28

The argument is, should they pay

£9,000?

No, it is too much. What

1:16:281:16:33

type of funding method, should it be

that people who do the degree who

1:16:331:16:37

pays for it?

I think it should not

be a market system, it is a service

1:16:371:16:41

given to people, similar to the

health service.

So he funded from

1:16:411:16:46

general taxation?

Yes, but also

through paying something through

1:16:461:16:50

graduate taxes. Students don't pay

the money back anyway and the worst

1:16:501:16:55

thing is probably the interest rate,

6.1%, even more than if you have a

1:16:551:16:59

mortgage, so I think those kinds of

things, and the Government trying to

1:16:591:17:03

tinker around by making some degree

is some others will put some

1:17:031:17:07

students from stem degrees where

they will keep those at £9,000 so I

1:17:071:17:11

think it is bizarre and it all comes

from the general election, we know

1:17:111:17:15

the reason Theresa May and the

Government are doing this is that

1:17:151:17:17

they saw the outcome of the general

election and realised they had gone

1:17:171:17:21

wrong. They were trying to increase

with inflation every year and in a

1:17:211:17:24

few years it would be at £10,000 but

they are taking a step back and the

1:17:241:17:28

youth have said, we don't want this

any

1:17:281:17:30

If people want higher education,

what is wrong with paying for it,

1:17:301:17:34

one US says?

We live in a country

where the last generation, we are

1:17:341:17:44

not getting value for money.

I

choose to go to university to

1:17:441:17:50

attempt to get a better job, income,

and then you get somebody who go

1:17:501:17:58

straight into work, why should they

be taxed to pay for my education

1:17:581:18:02

when I have made the decision

myself, that is not fair at all, the

1:18:021:18:05

system at the moment is a graduate

tax in all but name.

The current

1:18:051:18:10

system does not work, because

students are not getting value for

1:18:101:18:14

money, we see it with most final

year students. It is because wages

1:18:141:18:20

are being undercut. My degree has

not been value for money, pensions

1:18:201:18:30

being cut.

How visit affect value

for money?

I am paying huge amounts

1:18:301:18:41

of sums of money, but not going to

lecturers, and the vice Chancellor

1:18:411:18:46

fees have gone up every single year.

At Bath, they rejected the

1:18:461:18:51

ridiculous amount of money that the

Vice Chancellor was being paid, they

1:18:511:18:55

do great work but should not be the

case that the lowest our undercut

1:18:551:18:59

and the people at the top are

getting more bonuses and getting

1:18:591:19:01

more wages.

We will see what

happens. The Vice Chancellor of

1:19:011:19:09

Bedfordshire University. And two

students. Coming up: Barry Bennell

1:19:091:19:20

will be sentenced at me and today

for the abuse of boys on an

1:19:201:19:24

industrial scale, we will be live

outside Liverpool Crown Court.

1:19:241:19:32

An internal Oxfam report

on the sexual misconduct of some

1:19:321:19:34

of its staff in Haiti in 2011 has

revealed that three of the men

1:19:341:19:38

involved threatened witnesses

during the investigation.

1:19:381:19:39

The charity has published

the document for the first time,

1:19:391:19:41

saying it wants to be

as transparent as possible.

1:19:411:19:44

It also appears that

Oxfam ignored a central

1:19:441:19:45

recommendation of its report,

which said better ways should be

1:19:451:19:48

found to inform other agencies

about problem staff.

1:19:481:19:58

Some names have been redacted, for

what they say is confidentiality

1:19:591:20:03

reasons.

1:20:031:20:12

We can speak now to the Conservative

MP Pauline Latham who sits

1:20:181:20:21

on the House of Commons committee

that will tomorrow question the head

1:20:211:20:24

of Oxfam and senior figures

from the aid charity sector.

1:20:241:20:28

What you make of this report?

I

think it is pretty shocking that

1:20:281:20:33

they have ignored anything that was

in it and I am very shocked about

1:20:331:20:36

the whole industry at the moment,

because it seems to be rife

1:20:361:20:41

throughout the industry, not just

one charity, seems to be several, in

1:20:411:20:45

fact, probably many.

There is no

evidence to suggest that?

I went to

1:20:451:20:54

a conference two years ago in

Istanbul, world humanitarian summit,

1:20:541:20:59

it seemed to be in one of the

meetings, that people were talking

1:20:591:21:03

about it openly in a panel, and

saying that everybody knew that it

1:21:031:21:07

was happening, so I have been trying

to ask to have a central register so

1:21:071:21:14

that we know who these people are,

and we do not employ them, or not

1:21:141:21:20

knowingly employ them. So there is a

central register for the world, and

1:21:201:21:23

we should not be leading the

world's, we should be leading the

1:21:231:21:30

world and stopping this abuse that

is going on.

Central register of all

1:21:301:21:38

aid workers who have been dismissed?

Been allowed to resign with dignity

1:21:381:21:42

as one of these men was? The country

director of Oxfam in Haiti was able

1:21:421:21:47

to resign with dignity after

admitting that he slept with

1:21:471:21:51

prostitutes in the residence.

They

should be registered but we need to

1:21:511:21:55

have the cooperation of Oxfam and

other NGOs to say that they should

1:21:551:22:01

report them to a central register. I

asked if they would do this, but

1:22:011:22:05

they sent me a letter back saying,

basically, it was in the too

1:22:051:22:10

difficult to do box and they could

not actually do it.

When was that,

1:22:101:22:15

recently?

Two years ago. We know a

lot more now, we do know a lot more,

1:22:151:22:23

it is something we should definitely

be doing, we should definitely be

1:22:231:22:27

having a register... These people

are not just Brits, it is people

1:22:271:22:32

from round the world, sometimes it

is local staff, in country. We need

1:22:321:22:36

to make sure they cannot go from one

charity to another, maybe with a

1:22:361:22:42

reference, I don't know, but they

should not be able to go without a

1:22:421:22:46

stain on their character, if they

have been abusing the most

1:22:461:22:49

vulnerable people in the world,

women and girls, which is what, the

1:22:491:22:53

people we are supposed to be

protecting, we should not be

1:22:531:22:56

allowing them to go from one charity

to another without a stain on their

1:22:561:23:00

character.

Over the weekend, you

will have seen that the Oxfam Chief

1:23:001:23:05

Executive, a man you will be asking

questions of tomorrow, has said, the

1:23:051:23:08

stale At The Races Gale and

criticism against is organisation is

1:23:081:23:12

out of proportion with what actually

happened, he told the Guardian, the

1:23:121:23:16

intensity, of the Frosty of the

attack makes you wonder, what did we

1:23:161:23:20

do, did we murder babies, what did

you think of that?

That is a

1:23:201:23:24

ridiculous knee jerk reaction by

him. What he did, not him, he

1:23:241:23:31

probably was not even employed at

the time that it happened, what

1:23:311:23:34

Oxfam were doing was not really

vigorously putting in place child

1:23:341:23:40

protection procedures, and what we

are supposed to be doing is making

1:23:401:23:43

sure that women and children are

safe, sometimes they have gone

1:23:431:23:49

through the most, take absolutely

traumatic circumstances, and they

1:23:491:23:53

have to have people they can trust

in the aid industry so that those

1:23:531:23:57

people in the aid industry look

after them and provide help and

1:23:571:24:02

support they require, feeding,

inoculations, health, education, all

1:24:021:24:06

sorts of things, but they should be

able to trust implicitly the people

1:24:061:24:11

that are employed by the aid

agencies, and therefore, know that

1:24:111:24:16

the people are trustworthy, and that

anybody who is not has been sacked.

1:24:161:24:23

Just reading, anyone can read

through this once confidential

1:24:231:24:28

report, that Oxfam did after what

happened in Haiti. The list of those

1:24:281:24:34

who were dismissed all were allowed

to resign, of the sleeve and names

1:24:341:24:38

are not included, one dismissal for

gross misconduct, failing in his

1:24:381:24:43

duty to protect staff... Another,

gross misconduct, use of

1:24:431:24:47

prostitutes. Gross misconduct,

bullying and intimidation of Oxfam

1:24:471:24:53

staff and misuse of computing

equipment through the access and

1:24:531:24:57

download of pornographic and illegal

material, charged with gross

1:24:571:25:01

misconduct for the use of

prostitutes on Oxfam property and

1:25:011:25:06

bullying and intimidation. And so it

goes on. Should they have released

1:25:061:25:10

this back in 2011?

Yes, I don't

think these sorts of reports should

1:25:101:25:16

be secret, now it is out in the

open, we can do something

1:25:161:25:20

significant about it and that is

what I will be asking Difed to do,

1:25:201:25:28

so that we lead the world, so we

know that whoever we give money to

1:25:281:25:31

has the right procedures in place,

and there is children and women are

1:25:311:25:36

absolutely safe. No good saying that

prostitutes are legal, they are

1:25:361:25:41

still victims. -- DFID. I do believe

here, where they were suffering

1:25:411:25:46

following the earthquake, they

really haven't been, that is what is

1:25:461:25:53

wrong with Oxfam.

And many other

charities. The Chief Executives has

1:25:531:25:59

suggested that some critics are

motivated by an anti-AIDS agenda. --

1:25:591:26:08

anti-aid agenda?

I see the good that

many of the charities do. I'm

1:26:081:26:14

convinced they have to clean up

their act, there will be people who

1:26:141:26:17

say, I never wanted to give to

charity, I didn't want the country

1:26:171:26:21

to pay for this, but we must

remember, it will be the minority of

1:26:211:26:25

men in these organisations, it will

not be the majority but that

1:26:251:26:30

minority need getting rid of so that

everyone can have confidence that

1:26:301:26:34

the women and girls that we are

trying to protect and probably some

1:26:341:26:39

boys as well are not being sexually

abused or raped which is what is

1:26:391:26:47

happening in some cases.

Is Mark

Goldring the man to lead the change?

1:26:471:26:52

I don't know, I will find out

tomorrow when I'm able to question

1:26:521:26:56

him and find out more about what

they plan to do and what they have

1:26:561:26:59

done since this came to the fore in

2011. It is not seem to me that they

1:26:591:27:05

have put enough measures in place to

stop it happening.

What questions

1:27:051:27:10

will you be asking him tomorrow?

I

don't want to reveal those over the

1:27:101:27:15

air because I do not want him to

prepare too much and tell us what he

1:27:151:27:18

thinks we want to hear but one thing

that I want to explore is what

1:27:181:27:24

happens about giving references to

people who have been perpetrators,

1:27:241:27:28

do they agree with that, do they

condone it, do they do it, what is

1:27:281:27:33

the situation. If so, what is the

value of a reference?

Thank you very

1:27:331:27:37

much for talking to us, thank you.

1:27:371:27:42

The former football coach Barry

Bennell will be sentenced for the

1:27:481:27:51

abuse he carried out on dozens of

young and aspiring footballers,

1:27:511:27:55

three and a half decades ago. Last

week, the former Manchester City and

1:27:551:27:59

Crewe Alexandra coach was convicted

of abusing 12 boys. In the last

1:27:591:28:04

hour, one of his victims, Mickey

Fallon, told me what level of

1:28:041:28:09

punishment he thinks Barry Bennell

should receive today?

I think today

1:28:091:28:15

is our day. It is about, hopefully,

Barry Bennell being put away, and

1:28:151:28:20

never seeing the light of day again.

That for us would probably be the

1:28:201:28:25

perfect day, the perfect ending for

us, this man does not deserve to

1:28:251:28:37

walk in normal society.

You will

read out your victim impact

1:28:371:28:41

statement, what are some of the

things you want to tell the court

1:28:411:28:44

room and tell Barry Bennell?

The

impact on me personally, over 33

1:28:441:28:50

years... Has been quite devastating.

In terms of being a child, aged 13,

1:28:501:29:00

when this happened to me, my dreams

of being a football player

1:29:001:29:04

diminished, I did stay at Crewe

Alexandra until the age of 18 but my

1:29:041:29:07

heart was never in it, I had chances

after Crewe Alexandra to go to other

1:29:071:29:11

football clubs away but I wanted to

move home, I moved home and I never

1:29:111:29:14

moved away from Plymouth after that.

I feel like the impact on my

1:29:141:29:19

football career at that stage was

pretty damning. In terms of an

1:29:191:29:24

adult, subconsciously, the impact

that you then carry with you,

1:29:241:29:29

carrying this dirty secret, is quite

devastating, there are very similar

1:29:291:29:35

stories but my personal story, in my

early 20s, I really could not cope

1:29:351:29:39

with it, I turned to alcohol. Took

me two years really, to get myself

1:29:391:29:45

through counselling. In terms of

being alcohol dependent. And I

1:29:451:29:51

remember trying to take my own life

at one stage. I don't think anyone

1:29:511:29:55

can really underestimate the impact

that airing this kind of secret can

1:29:551:30:00

have on you, not just as a child but

when you move forward in your adult

1:30:001:30:05

life, it can be pretty devastating.

You only told your partner about the

1:30:051:30:12

abuse you had endured after watching

the interview on this programme in

1:30:121:30:18

November, 2016, when four former

players spoke out about what Barry

1:30:181:30:21

Bennell had done to them, when you

watched those men, what effect did

1:30:211:30:25

that have on you?

I cannot explain

the feelings, watching... Steve

1:30:251:30:30

Walters... He was my friend before

we even went to Crewe come we both

1:30:301:30:37

played youth football, grew up

together, we were mates, seeing

1:30:371:30:40

Steve sat on the couch for me... It

hit me like a train.

1:30:401:30:45

It was my moment ago, I have to

confront this, after 33 years I have

1:30:511:30:55

to be brave and to come out with my

secret and deal with it, or do I

1:30:551:31:02

deny myself and people like Stephen,

brave enough to sit on that so far,

1:31:021:31:06

the opportunity to say, actually,

there were others out there. It hit

1:31:061:31:10

me hard, I did not do it

straightaway, it took me a few days,

1:31:101:31:15

but I thought personally it was the

right thing to do to come forward

1:31:151:31:19

and show the scale of this.

Micky Fallon, who spoke to us this

1:31:191:31:34

morning. The sentencing of Barry

Bennell is due at 12pm at Liverpool

1:31:341:31:37

Crown Court and you will be able to

hear the outcome. Let me read the

1:31:371:31:41

messages... Adam says, watching the

victims on your programme today,

1:31:411:31:45

massive respect to them for speaking

out on television, hopefully it will

1:31:451:31:48

encourage more victims to name

offenders.

1:31:481:31:51

A text from Earl, I was abused by an

older brother from the age of three.

1:31:511:31:56

I told my mother when I was seven

and she

1:31:561:32:08

called me a liar. Then she told my

dad, who removed him from the family

1:32:101:32:13

home and made him join the Army. I

finally reported it to police when I

1:32:131:32:16

was 45 as I wasn't sure what the

offence was. When I tried to claim

1:32:161:32:19

criminal injury I was told that

because my brother lived in the same

1:32:191:32:21

house as me I was not allowed to

claim compensation.

1:32:211:32:23

Thank you for those.

Coming up in the next half an hour,

1:32:231:32:26

reaction from last night's BAFTA

film awards. Most of the women there

1:32:261:32:30

wore black on the red carpet to call

for an end to harassment in the

1:32:301:32:33

industry. We will be joined by

actors and activist who have signed

1:32:331:32:37

an open letter calling for a global

fight against harassment and abuse

1:32:371:32:40

across all industries. Britain is

accused of still being in the dark

1:32:401:32:46

ages when it comes to mothers rights

at work. We will talk to one mother

1:32:461:32:50

who was made redundant on maternity

leave by the women's organisation

1:32:501:32:53

she worked for.

1:32:531:33:03

Time for the latest news -

here's Annita McVeigh.

1:33:031:33:05

Theresa May will today launch

a year-long review of how higher

1:33:051:33:08

education is funded,

admitting that England has one

1:33:081:33:10

of the most expensive systems

of tuition in the world.

1:33:101:33:12

In a speech in Derbyshire,

the Prime Minister will say

1:33:121:33:14

she shares the concerns of students

and parents about the cost

1:33:141:33:17

of getting a degree.

1:33:171:33:27

Labour has accused the Government

of simply kicking the problem

1:33:291:33:31

into the long grass.

1:33:311:33:32

Oxfam has revealed that charity

workers physically threatened

1:33:321:33:34

witnesses during an investigation

into sexual misconduct

1:33:341:33:36

in Haiti in 2011.

1:33:361:33:37

The report includes accusations

of bullying, intimidation of staff

1:33:371:33:39

and use of prostitutes,

as well as suggesting that Oxfam

1:33:391:33:41

bosses ignored a recommendation that

better ways should be found

1:33:411:33:44

to inform other charities

about problem staff.

1:33:441:33:47

The former football coach

Barry Bennell will be sentenced

1:33:471:33:49

today for historical sexual assaults

committed on young boys in his care.

1:33:491:33:52

The 64-year-old, who worked

with Manchester City

1:33:521:33:54

and Crewe Alexandra's youth teams,

was convicted of 50 child sex

1:33:541:33:57

offences at Liverpool Crown Court.

1:33:571:34:01

It's thought the former scout may

have abused more than 100 boys over

1:34:011:34:04

a period spanning three decades.

1:34:041:34:14

Former shareholders in the collapsed

construction giant Carillion

1:34:141:34:16

are calling for its management

to be investigated.

1:34:161:34:18

Some have told MPs

that the company's

1:34:181:34:20

executives must have known -

or should have known -

1:34:201:34:22

about its cash flow problems

well before it went

1:34:221:34:24

into liquidation last month.

1:34:241:34:33

At the same time, say MPs, investors

were "fleeing for the hills".

1:34:331:34:36

The Bank of England says more

than £2 billion worth of old £10

1:34:361:34:39

notes need to be spent or exchanged

in the next ten days.

1:34:391:34:42

The notes, featuring

Charles Darwin, cease to be legal

1:34:421:34:44

tender on 1st March.

1:34:441:34:51

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

1:34:511:35:01

Here's some sport now with Sarah.

1:35:031:35:05

It went to the wire

but Great Britain's men made it four

1:35:051:35:08

wins from seven on the curling rink.

1:35:081:35:09

It was tight throughout

and eventually they came

1:35:091:35:11

through 7-6 against Denmark,

which puts them in a very

1:35:111:35:14

strong position to earn

a place in the last four.

1:35:141:35:16

Less than two years after being told

she may never skate again,

1:35:161:35:19

ice dancer Penny Coomes

and her partner Nick Buckland have

1:35:191:35:21

qualified for the short dance final.

1:35:211:35:23

The couple finished in 10th place

ahead of tomorrow's free dance.

1:35:231:35:25

It was a good morning too

for Rowan Cheshire in the freestyle

1:35:251:35:28

skiing halfpipe event.

1:35:281:35:32

Her performance was good enough

to see her qualify for the finals.

1:35:321:35:35

Unfortunately, the other Brit

in that competition,

1:35:351:35:37

Molly Summerhayes, missed out.

1:35:371:35:38

There was huge disappointment

too for Aimee Fuller

1:35:381:35:40

in the snowboarding big air event.

1:35:401:35:41

This is making it's debut at this

year's games but Fuller fell

1:35:411:35:44

on both her attempts,

including a big crash

1:35:441:35:46

in in her second jump

so her Olympics is over.

1:35:461:35:53

Coming up just after 11am -

GB women's curling

1:35:531:35:55

team face Switzerland.

1:35:551:35:57

And from 11:15, Brad Hall pilots

the GB men's bobsleigh

1:35:571:35:59

in the two-man event.

1:35:591:36:08

KFC has closed a number of outlets

across the UK. This story is

1:36:081:36:13

currently the most read story on the

BBC news site, our correspondent

1:36:131:36:16

Jonty Bloom is here. Why? KFC,

Kentucky fried chicken, has run out

1:36:161:36:21

of chicken. No! Has it?! They

changed their delivery company last

1:36:211:36:34

week to DHL, and the chicken has not

been arriving in the right numbers

1:36:341:36:37

on the right places so they have

closed stores in London, the

1:36:371:36:41

Southeast, Wales, the Midlands. They

have neither good and -- 900 stores

1:36:411:36:45

and have not said how many have been

affected but social media has been

1:36:451:36:48

going mad because people have been

turning up to give to find out there

1:36:481:36:52

isn't any.

They are not saying how many but

1:36:521:36:54

have they said when the chicken will

be arriving?!

1:36:541:36:57

They say they are

1:36:571:37:08

working it. This became known when

they put out a tweet which basically

1:37:151:37:18

said the chicken crossed the road,

just not to our restaurants, which

1:37:181:37:20

is a nice, phone line on it, but

they say they brought in a new

1:37:201:37:23

delivery partner, some teething

problems getting fresh chicken to

1:37:231:37:25

900 rest rooms across the country,

they will not comprise of quality so

1:37:251:37:27

some wrestlers are closed and others

have a limited menu or shortened

1:37:271:37:30

hours.

Veron off, so you will update is no

1:37:301:37:32

doubt when the chicken arrives?

The second it is in the shop!

1:37:321:37:34

Three Billboards Outside Ebbing,

Missouri has dominated

1:37:341:37:36

the BAFTA film awards,

winning five trophies.

1:37:361:37:46

The drama about a woman's struggle

to get justice for her murdered

1:37:531:37:55

daughter was named Best Film,

while its star, Frances

1:37:551:37:58

McDormand won Best Actress.

1:37:581:37:59

The campaign to tackle

sexual harassment featured

1:37:591:38:00

strongly at the event,

with most actresses

1:38:001:38:02

dressed in black.

1:38:021:38:03

And the first BAFTA of the evening

goes to three Billboards Outside

1:38:031:38:05

Ebbing, Missouri.

1:38:051:38:07

As Martin said, I have a little

trouble with compliance, but I want

1:38:121:38:15

you to know I stand in full

solidarity with my sisters denied in

1:38:151:38:19

black.

The winner is... Frances

McDormand! No, just kidding! The

1:38:191:38:26

BAFTA goes to Gary Oldman.

I thank

you, Sir Winston, I thank you, the

1:38:261:38:33

Churchill family, and, of course,

once again, BAFTA.

Alison Janney, I,

1:38:331:38:44

Tonya.

I want to clear up a life

that I have perpetrated for the last

1:38:441:38:51

few years... I did not graduate from

the Royal Academy for dramatic arts,

1:38:511:38:55

but I did attend a two-week summer

programme!

The BAFTA goes to... The

1:38:551:39:02

Shape Of Water, Guillermo Del Toro.

Thank you, BAFTA, for all of the

1:39:021:39:10

support.

1:39:101:39:20

So thank you to all of you. It feels

like a quirk of nature that I am

1:39:241:39:29

standing here tonight, so thank you.

Mum, you are the reason why I

1:39:291:39:36

started, you're the reason why I'm

here, you are the reason why I keep

1:39:361:39:40

going, do you understand? Thank you

for everything.

Please welcome to

1:39:401:39:46

the stage, Sir Ridley Scott.

I shall

find a very special place for it. By

1:39:461:39:54

the way, I'm available in autumn

2018.

1:39:541:40:02

Let's talk to Phyll Opoku-Gyimah,

an activist and co-founder of UK

1:40:021:40:06

Black Pride, who walked down

the red carpet with actor

1:40:061:40:09

Andrea Riseborough.

1:40:091:40:16

Sorcha Bacon is here,

who was up for her first

1:40:161:40:19

award as a female producer.

1:40:191:40:21

And actor and film maker Kate Hardie

who has signed the letter.

1:40:211:40:25

Thank you very much for coming on

the programme. First of all, was it

1:40:251:40:29

a good night?

Was it a late one?!

Yes!

You have lost your boys! Phyll,

1:40:291:40:37

you are co-founder of UK black

pride, what did you want to

1:40:371:40:40

highlight as you were walking down

the red carpet last night?

The main

1:40:401:40:45

thing for me was just ensuring that

women of all different

1:40:451:40:51

intersections, whether we are black,

Asian, Brown, disabled women,

1:40:511:40:57

working-class women, are able to use

that platform to raise awareness of

1:40:571:41:04

the Time's Up campaign.

Sorry to

interrupt but that is a criticism

1:41:041:41:09

that it is all very well for those

in the entertainment industry with

1:41:091:41:13

the privilege that it obviously

encompasses, compared to a lot of

1:41:131:41:17

women who don't have a lot of voice,

would you accept that criticism?

1:41:171:41:23

Totally but I would say there are

lots of women on set and working in

1:41:231:41:26

the film industry you don't have

much privilege. If you look at the

1:41:261:41:29

one woman in a camera team or the

new female runner, there is a lot of

1:41:291:41:35

quite voiceless women within the

industry, and I also think what is

1:41:351:41:38

brilliant about Time's Up is it is

reaching out beyond just our

1:41:381:41:41

industry.

Which is the point for

you, it is every woman, whatever

1:41:411:41:45

sex, whatever you do?

Absolutely,

women like myself have not

1:41:451:41:52

historically been able to access

platforms like the BAFTAs, you want

1:41:521:41:56

to use the opportunity to amplify

your voice as much as possible

1:41:561:41:59

whilst celebrating the greatness of

women who have been acting or are in

1:41:591:42:04

the industry. It is time to raise

the volume on society.

You are

1:42:041:42:11

pretty new to the industry, it is

fair to say? You have been in the

1:42:111:42:14

industry for 35 years?

Yes!

Something to be proud of! But does

1:42:141:42:21

this feel like a watershed, what

would you say?

For me, I feel I am

1:42:211:42:29

at a point where my voice as a

female producer can be part of the

1:42:291:42:34

facilitation of pushing voices that

are imported into film and making

1:42:341:42:37

sure I have a responsibility in the

work that I make to make those films

1:42:371:42:41

that I think are important and push

them to the forefront of what I am

1:42:411:42:44

doing, rather than listening to the

older voices. If you look at the

1:42:441:42:48

BAFTAs last night and look at the

films that have had more women,

1:42:481:42:53

female directors that one, those are

the younger the makers --

1:42:531:42:56

film-makers, those of my generation,

and I think I have an important role

1:42:561:43:00

to play as a film-maker in pushing

those stories.

Do you think this is

1:43:001:43:03

a tipping point?

Yes, but it is more

to do with... Content definitely

1:43:031:43:09

needs to change, it is worse now

than it was in 1913, gender

1:43:091:43:14

representation and race is appalling

in film still, said that has to

1:43:141:43:18

shift, but I also think the idea of

people being able to speak up

1:43:181:43:21

because we are talking about abuses

of power, really, and these are

1:43:211:43:25

abuses of power, and the idea of

people having a voice against powers

1:43:251:43:32

that are silencing them, I think

there is a tipping point but I

1:43:321:43:35

really hope that that's now going to

be listened to on set, at work, that

1:43:351:43:41

is the really... It is all very

well, all wearing black is a

1:43:411:43:45

brilliant visual image but if you

are the one person on a set or on a

1:43:451:43:48

job that has to say, I'm not happy

with how this, how I'm being

1:43:481:43:53

treated, it is still very, very

scary.

You have experienced sexual

1:43:531:43:57

harassment, I think I am right in

saying, according to what I have

1:43:571:44:00

read about you, but did you call it

out?

I have... I don't talk about my

1:44:001:44:09

own personal experiences because I

often feel like it then gets

1:44:091:44:12

sidetracked and you end up having to

do interviews over and over again...

1:44:121:44:16

I'm not asking you about any

details, just whether you felt able

1:44:161:44:19

to...

No, I didn't. When I look back

into my past, and I have thought

1:44:191:44:23

about it and we were talking about

it earlier, I think that

1:44:231:44:30

representation of how our industry

is regulated, it is regulated by

1:44:301:44:34

reputations and you get warned

quickly about, if you have a bad

1:44:341:44:37

reputation you will not get hired,

and so...

And a bad reputation

1:44:371:44:41

means...

If you cause trouble,

exactly, so our unions -- our union,

1:44:411:44:49

equity, the minute you even go to

equity there are people saying, you

1:44:491:44:52

will be seen as a troublemaker now.

When things happen to be, the things

1:44:521:44:56

I was advised the most was, let it

go. Leave it, let it go, because me

1:44:561:45:01

having a reputation was the thing

that... They didn't manage, I do

1:45:011:45:06

have a reputation! But me having a

reputation was the thing people were

1:45:061:45:10

most concerned about and that is

what has to change.

What do you

1:45:101:45:14

think about that as a trade unionist

yourself?

We have been campaigning

1:45:141:45:20

against sexual determination,

harassment, violence, sold for

1:45:201:45:22

years, and trade unions are

important in a campaign and fight

1:45:221:45:25

for justice.

But not if they are

telling people, you won't get

1:45:251:45:31

work...

The union never said that,

it is before you even go near a

1:45:311:45:36

union you get that.

Unions are very

clear, speed up and speak out and we

1:45:361:45:41

are there to support you in your

fight for equality and justice. I

1:45:411:45:46

think sometimes people are a bit

wary of joining a trade union

1:45:461:45:50

because of victimisation or feeling

like they are going to be ostracised

1:45:501:45:54

in the workplace. If you even think

of women who are working 0-hours

1:45:541:45:58

contract work, work which is quite

precarious, they feel a little bit

1:45:581:46:05

vulnerable in wanting to speak out

so I think the trade unions' role is

1:46:051:46:08

to make sure we get in there and

organise, support, mobilise and

1:46:081:46:12

actually provide women with a

platform to be able to highlight

1:46:121:46:16

what is happening in the workplace

and negotiate with the employer

1:46:161:46:21

about its policies and procedures

and what we need to do to create a

1:46:211:46:25

safe space for women working.

In

terms of the award, eight or nine

1:46:251:46:30

went to women, the majority to men,

40, in total, two men, what do you

1:46:301:46:35

take from that?

I was even thinking

yesterday that it would be really

1:46:351:46:41

lovely in ten years' time for

everything not to be divided up into

1:46:411:46:46

gender, I would love if there was an

actor award, but I don't think we

1:46:461:46:51

are there yet. I don't know what to

say.

It is how it is. Do you like

1:46:511:46:58

that idea?

I don't like awards!

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I think they are ridiculous.

Let's

imagine that they will continue.

1:47:031:47:10

Forget the gender-based best actor,

Best actress, just have one.

You are

1:47:101:47:15

asking the wrong person, I find

comparing performances, comparing

1:47:151:47:19

budgets, films, PR budgets, it is a

fact that women's films don't get as

1:47:191:47:24

much money to promote themselves,

looking at films that have not been

1:47:241:47:28

promoted, living in a society where

money buys you promotion and

1:47:281:47:31

attention, I find awards pretty

dubious. Although I love standing on

1:47:311:47:38

the red carpet, that was a better

image than I have seen for a long

1:47:381:47:43

time, so that was a tremendous image

that we saw, the women taking along

1:47:431:47:47

their guests.

Thank you very much

for coming on the programme.

1:47:471:47:55

The court of the quotation for sport

has begun proceedings against the

1:47:551:47:58

Russian Olympic medallist, after he

failed a doping test, a sample who

1:47:581:48:05

provided tested positive for a

banned substance, which the BBC

1:48:051:48:08

understands to be meldonium. The

athlete won a bronze medal at

1:48:081:48:15

Pyeongchang in the midst double is

hurling event. That -- mixed doubles

1:48:151:48:21

curling event.

It could be any

member of any country, does not

1:48:211:48:29

matter if it is Russia or not, could

be anyone, really.

-- Alexander

1:48:291:48:38

Krushelnitsky

if somebody has taken

something illegal, there should be

1:48:381:48:41

consequences but it is not affecting

anybody here. We want to keep the

1:48:411:48:46

sport clean, we are on the same

side. We will play and keep it out

1:48:461:48:50

of our minds.

1:48:501:48:59

Our correspondent, Stephen McDonell,

is in Seoul. What is the allegation

1:48:591:49:04

here?

The Court of Arbitration for

Sport has officially launched the

1:49:041:49:09

seedings against Alexander

Krushelnitsky, this Russian athlete

1:49:091:49:12

is accused of taking a banned

substance, meldonium, and that this,

1:49:121:49:21

if found to be guilty of taking the

substance, not only stands to lose

1:49:211:49:25

his bronze medal, which he has

already won, but putting massive

1:49:251:49:31

pressure on all Russian athletes

here, you can imagine they were

1:49:311:49:34

hoping that the Pyeongchang games

was going to bring them in from the

1:49:341:49:37

cold. Officials may not be scheduled

there, Russians have had enough pain

1:49:371:49:44

after the mass doping scandal in

Sochi and they may decide that by

1:49:441:49:50

the end of the games, they can be

allowed to walk into the main

1:49:501:49:55

stadium, for the closing ceremony,

carrying the Russian flag. Well, the

1:49:551:49:59

pressure on officials to allow that

to happen now, would be enormous,

1:49:591:50:04

this can only harm the chances of

that is taking place, and a large

1:50:041:50:10

dark cloud, whether Russian athletes

like it or not, as being dragged

1:50:101:50:16

across all Russian Olympians.

Why

would someone in curling take a

1:50:161:50:22

performance enhancing drug, how

would it help them?

This is what

1:50:221:50:27

everyone is asking, some Russian

athletes are saying, they suggested

1:50:271:50:30

is not true, they say they cannot

believe it, not only is curling not

1:50:301:50:35

that stressful, why would you take

the drugs, why would you take them

1:50:351:50:38

so close to the games, but also, you

know, we have all been through so

1:50:381:50:43

much, you knew the risks in this

sort of thing, why do it? If he is

1:50:431:50:49

found to have done it, it is

because, curling is more strenuous

1:50:491:50:53

and stressful than people expect,

requires a lot of concentration, and

1:50:531:50:58

meldonium could help you to focus,

to be less jittery, and to be at the

1:50:581:51:05

top of your performance, this may be

what you need to potentially get a

1:51:051:51:09

medal, that is what he is accused to

have done. I should suggest, still

1:51:091:51:16

an accusation, just an accusation at

this stage, yet to be found guilty.

1:51:161:51:23

Thank you.

1:51:231:51:25

A woman has been arrested after an

abusive note was left on an

1:51:251:51:30

ambulance dealing with a 999 call.

Remind us what this note said, it

1:51:301:51:34

was on social media. After the

paramedics posted a picture of it.

1:51:341:51:40

Over the weekend, this was posted on

Twitter, she copied in the police,

1:51:401:51:47

because the person who had parked

the ambulance, in the ambulance, had

1:51:471:51:50

been very upset, the note, the

ambulance was parked in a

1:51:501:51:54

residential street, Stoke-on-Trent.

If this is for anyone but number 14,

1:51:541:51:58

you have no right to be parked here,

I could not give a dam if the whole

1:51:581:52:04

street collapsed. Move your van from

outside my house will stop the crew

1:52:041:52:12

was verbally abused and they say

that they were intimidated, and this

1:52:121:52:17

paramedic used Twitter to draw

attention to this and also copy in

1:52:171:52:21

the police and now a 26-year-old

woman has been arrested for public

1:52:211:52:25

order offences. Police say that

emergency services must be able to

1:52:251:52:31

carry out their roles without fear

of abuse or intimidation.

1:52:311:52:35

It's against the law to treat

someone unfairly because they're

1:52:381:52:41

pregnant or have recently given

birth and yet we know that many

1:52:411:52:44

women experience discrimination

at work for being pregnant

1:52:441:52:46

and having children.

1:52:461:52:47

The Equality and Human Rights

Commission has accused Britain

1:52:471:52:49

of still being in the dark ages

when it comes to mothers'

1:52:491:52:52

rights at work.

1:52:521:52:53

It's carried out new research

which suggests that the majority

1:52:531:52:55

of employers think women should have

to disclose if they're

1:52:551:52:57

pregnant at a job interview,

while a third think it's okay to ask

1:52:571:53:01

women about their

plans for children.

1:53:011:53:10

Sarah Rees

was made redundant

while on maternity leave.

1:53:101:53:18

And

Sue Coe

is head

of employment at the Equality

1:53:181:53:20

and Human Rights Commission,

which carried out this research.

1:53:201:53:25

I am going to start with you, if I

can get more information about this

1:53:251:53:29

very interesting survey, or what did

you learn about employers attitudes?

1:53:291:53:35

What we learned was unfortunately,

many of them are decades behind the

1:53:351:53:40

law. They don't appear to be

engaging with the basic employment

1:53:401:53:46

rights of women. That figure, that

half of employers think is perfectly

1:53:461:53:53

reasonable to ask women in an

interview whether they have young

1:53:531:53:58

children, and a third go even

further, and think that it is

1:53:581:54:02

reasonable to ask women whether they

may have children in the future.

1:54:021:54:07

What we want employers to do is to

plant a flag in the ground and say,

1:54:071:54:13

we want to stop this, and we at the

equality and human rights commission

1:54:131:54:18

wants to support employers to change

and improve and we are inviting them

1:54:181:54:24

to join our initiatives, working

forward, to get support, tips and

1:54:241:54:29

advice from us and from there

appears to up their game on there.

1:54:291:54:34

What does the law say?

The law is

very clear, it has been for decades,

1:54:341:54:41

you cannot make recruitment

decisions, turning down people

1:54:411:54:46

because they are women, because they

are pregnant, or because even they

1:54:461:54:51

might become pregnant in the future.

You work for a women's organisation,

1:54:511:54:57

we cannot say the name of the

organisation, when you were made

1:54:571:55:01

redundant while on maternity leave.

Astonishing. When you were pregnant,

1:55:011:55:08

presumably you felt really pregnant

telling them you had a baby on the

1:55:081:55:10

way and this is what you are going

to do.

Totally, beforehand, could

1:55:101:55:14

not have treated me better, gave me

time to have appointments, a lovely

1:55:141:55:18

sendoff, it was afterwards that the

situation got into a difficult

1:55:181:55:22

position.

What change when you were

on maternity leave?

A huge lack of

1:55:221:55:30

communication, I try to get in

contact with them, e-mail colleagues

1:55:301:55:33

and bass to say I wanted to come

back, I had no response.

Potentially

1:55:331:55:39

there may have been thinking, you

are on maternity leave, let's not

1:55:391:55:43

bother her. That concentrate on the

baby.

It was me that got in touch

1:55:431:55:47

with them, saying I wanted to come

back. They should have had the

1:55:471:55:52

decency to reply to me.

What

happened in the end?

A trustee got

1:55:521:55:58

in touch and said, they are talking

about your redundancy in meetings

1:55:581:56:01

full. I am clear that you do not

know what is happening. I had a

1:56:011:56:07

letter in the post if you days

later. At my post was redundant.

How

1:56:071:56:14

did you react?

I was really sad and

upset and as a new mother I was

1:56:141:56:19

stressed enough, to have that happen

on top, really does dent your

1:56:191:56:22

confidence, I had gone from

supporting women in building

1:56:221:56:27

confidence, part of what my job was,

to feeling I could not leave the

1:56:271:56:32

house without crying.

Did they start

to come up with things that they had

1:56:321:56:34

done wrong, when you were working?

Yes, I raised a grievance against

1:56:341:56:39

the way I was treated, it was

tit-for-tat, they came up with

1:56:391:56:43

things I had done wrong, in my eyes,

I had not done anything wrong, I had

1:56:431:56:48

gone on maternity leave and the

reason they were trying to raise

1:56:481:56:51

points was I had raised something

against them.

Were you allowed to

1:56:511:56:55

attend the grievance hearing?

No, it

was held in London, I was in

1:56:551:57:00

Cardiff, I was breast-feeding my new

daughter, 12 weeks old, and they

1:57:001:57:04

said they could not afford to have

someone come along with me to go to

1:57:041:57:07

the meeting.

So you joined the

meeting on the phone, I could hear

1:57:071:57:13

my daughter crying so I could not

concentrate.

1:57:131:57:15

How do you reflect on the way they

treated you and what, what could you

1:57:181:57:22

have done in terms of pursuing the

way they treated you?

At the time I

1:57:221:57:28

was not able to raise a case through

law because I did not have the money

1:57:281:57:32

to do that, it is good that women

are able to go to tribunal and not

1:57:321:57:37

have to pay for it themselves. But

it was a situation I did not want to

1:57:371:57:43

be in, I did not want to raise an

issue against them, I wanted to

1:57:431:57:47

concentrate on the positive things

of raising a child, being a mother.

1:57:471:57:51

Why did they get rid of you?

I was

difficult, a situation they did not

1:57:511:57:56

want to deal with, much easier to

have me out of that situation so

1:57:561:58:00

they could then recruit people into

posts that did not have to deal with

1:58:001:58:04

things like children in the

background.

Thank you very much.

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Thank you for talking to us. Thank

you for joining us.

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We are back tomorrow, 9am. Have a

good day, thank you very much.

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