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It's Wednesday, it's 9 o'clock. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:10 | |
I'm Victoria Derbyshire. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:11 | |
Welcome to the programme. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:12 | |
Our top story today... | 0:00:12 | 0:00:13 | |
The United Nations in Syria says
it's deeply worried for hundreds | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
of thousands of people trapped under
a mounting government bombardment | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
of the rebel-held enclave of Eastern
Ghouta. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:28 | |
We can hear the shouts and crying of
women. And children. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:46 | |
We'll hear more from people
stuck on the ground. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:51 | |
The Supreme Court will rule about
John Worboys. We have been speaking | 0:00:52 | 0:01:04 | |
exclusively to | 0:01:04 | 0:01:05 | |
one of the victims. I am not worried
about what he will do to me that I | 0:01:05 | 0:01:10 | |
don't want to go back to 2003 and be
watching the news again waiting for | 0:01:10 | 0:01:15 | |
him to reoffend. I know he will
reoffend full I don't want to be in | 0:01:15 | 0:01:20 | |
that position where I will say, I
was right because he will absolutely | 0:01:20 | 0:01:25 | |
do it again. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
That full exclusive interview
in the next 15 minutes. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:32 | |
Security experts are warning the
Government needs to tackle the | 0:01:32 | 0:01:37 | |
misuse of artificial intelligence.
They will tell us exactly what they | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
think that risk is and we will
introduce you to the robot who is | 0:01:41 | 0:01:46 | |
designed to mimic facial expressions
in order to teach autistic children | 0:01:46 | 0:01:51 | |
about emotions. | 0:01:51 | 0:02:01 | |
Hello. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
Welcome to the programme. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:04 | |
We're live until 11 this morning. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:05 | |
Throughout the morning,
the latest breaking news | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
and developing stories. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
A little later we'll hear
about the devastating impact | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
endometreosis has on women | 0:02:11 | 0:02:12 | |
and hear claims that the NHS
is failing in their care. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
If you have endometrosis,
tell us your experience. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:23 | |
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Our top story. The bombardment of
rebel-held eastern Ghouta has | 0:02:31 | 0:02:40 | |
continued for a third day. There are
warnings of a second Aleppo. Reports | 0:02:40 | 0:02:47 | |
that 250 people have died following
two days of attacks. According to | 0:02:47 | 0:02:52 | |
activists it is the worst violence
since 2013. Our middle east editor | 0:02:52 | 0:02:58 | |
reports. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:08 | |
This could be the beginning
of the end of the rebellion. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:14 | |
Smaller, rebel-held
enclaves around Damascus | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
have been starved and
bombed into submission. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
Activists in eastern Ghouta say this
is as bad as it has been. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
We can hear women and
children crying through | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
windows of their homes. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:34 | |
The missiles and mortars
dropping on us like rain. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:41 | |
There is nowhere to hide from this
nightmare in easter Ghouta. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
They have set up a network
of underground hospitals. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
This girl, named in Arabic Angel,
escaped the worst but will have | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
to go back to the streets
to get home. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
And this is her area. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:59 | |
With the regime plane dropping
what appears to be a barrel bomb. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:09 | |
Unguided, an indiscriminate killer. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:10 | |
The Syrian regime denies
attacking civilians. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
It says it is trying to liberate
eastern Ghouta from terrorists. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:19 | |
How many times in the last seven
years have Syrians dug | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
through the rubble for survivors? | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
There is talk of safe corridors
out for civilians but, | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
based on past form, the regime wants
victory in eastern Ghouta | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
and the surrender of the rebels. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:40 | |
Let's talk to our BBC Arabic
reporter, who is here. Presumably | 0:04:40 | 0:04:46 | |
the authorities and aid agencies are
expecting the civilian casualties to | 0:04:46 | 0:04:54 | |
continue to rise. Yes. It is
practically enclaves and pockets of | 0:04:54 | 0:05:02 | |
high density, civilian population.
It seems like the ones launching | 0:05:02 | 0:05:07 | |
this attack has not taken into
consideration any thing to basically | 0:05:07 | 0:05:12 | |
minimise at least the number of
civilian casualties. We know the | 0:05:12 | 0:05:17 | |
gunman, they are basically civilians
and live among civilians. It is not | 0:05:17 | 0:05:26 | |
a way to do this was of your risking
the lives of hundreds and thousands | 0:05:26 | 0:05:31 | |
of people. That is why we believe
the number will be huge if the | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
Russians attempt a similar scenario
in Ghouta as we saw in Aleppo over a | 0:05:35 | 0:05:42 | |
year ago full it is completely out
of proportion, the firepower the | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
Russians are exerting on those
pockets and enclaves. It is amazing | 0:05:46 | 0:05:51 | |
and horrible. As if you are watching
a movie on the back of the | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
soundtrack. You hear people in
panic, screaming for help. There is | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
no help. Their attacks, you name it.
The last 48 hours or few days, they | 0:05:59 | 0:06:09 | |
have been days from hell for the
population of East Ghouta. Thank you | 0:06:09 | 0:06:16 | |
very much. Thank you for talking to
us will stop | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
Annita is in the BBC
Newsroom with a summary | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
of the rest of the day's news. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
The Supreme Court is due to rule
on whether the Metropolitan | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
Police failed two victims of
the black cab rapist, John Worboys. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
The women claim that the failure
to properly investigate | 0:06:30 | 0:06:31 | |
their allegations amounted
to inhuman and degrading treatment - | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
a claim the police deny. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
Here's our legal
correspondent, Clive Coleman. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:43 | |
The two women were sexually
assaulted by John Worboys in 2003 | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
and 2007, but when they reported
the attacks to the police | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
they weren't believed. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
As a result of the police failures,
Worboys was able to continue | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
to attack women until he was brought
to justice in 2009. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:02 | |
The High Court and Court of Appeal
ruled the police had a duty under | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
the Human Rights Act to investigate
serious violence against women | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
and could be held accountable
in the courts if they | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
failed in that duty. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
The women, who both suffered
psychologically, were awarded | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
£41,000 in total, which they'll
keep in any event. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:24 | |
But the Met supported the then
Home Secretary Theresa May's | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
appeal to the Supreme Court,
arguing its duty was fulfilled | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
simply by having practices and
procedures to investigate in place. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:39 | |
A victory for the women would be
police forces could face human | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
rights actions whenever they fail
to properly investigate | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
serious violent crime. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:55 | |
and we will be speaking exclusively
to one of the women involved in the | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
case | 0:07:58 | 0:07:59 | |
in a few minutes' time. It has
emerged that a former chief | 0:07:59 | 0:08:04 | |
Executive of Save the Children faced
inappropriate behaviour complaints | 0:08:04 | 0:08:11 | |
before leaving the charity. He was
accused of sending inappropriate | 0:08:11 | 0:08:16 | |
text and commenting on what young
female staff were wearing. He said | 0:08:16 | 0:08:21 | |
he apologised to the workers. It
comes as Oxfam and Save the Children | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
have been separate quizzed about
sexual misconduct for workers. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:33 | |
Brexit supporting MPs have written
to the Prime Minister stating what | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
they consider it should be achieved
out of a deal with Brussels. They | 0:08:37 | 0:08:42 | |
insist Britain should be free to
negotiate deals with other countries | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
as soon as it leaves the EU. Let's
talk about this with Norman | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
Smith at Westminster. Good morning
to you. Tell us about the detail and | 0:08:50 | 0:08:56 | |
the reaction. This letter has been
sent as a clear warning ahead of the | 0:08:56 | 0:09:03 | |
crucial meeting tomorrow when she
will try to end the splits in the P | 0:09:03 | 0:09:09 | |
net over Brexit and reach a final
agreement. The letter is written in | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
consider tree language and the
signatories express support for Mrs | 0:09:13 | 0:09:21 | |
May and be approachable Brexit. They
list what they call six suggestions, | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
things like not taking on any new EU
rules during the so-called | 0:09:25 | 0:09:32 | |
transition period, that we should be
free to negotiate & our own trade | 0:09:32 | 0:09:37 | |
deals, and they also suggest that
Mrs May should go into these | 0:09:37 | 0:09:42 | |
negotiations as an equal partner and
should not accept the EU timeline | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
and their mandate, and get the sense
they are trying to make sure that | 0:09:46 | 0:09:53 | |
Mrs May does not backslide on their
preferred approach to Brexit. It has | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
already provoked over backlash from
Tory Brexit critics who described | 0:09:57 | 0:10:03 | |
the signatories to this letter as
ideological obsessives. As for | 0:10:03 | 0:10:08 | |
Downing Street, they have said they
welcome contributions from all | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
sections of the party. Thank you
very much. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:18 | |
The majority of small
and medium-sized companies | 0:10:18 | 0:10:19 | |
are still paying male employees more
than their female colleagues, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
according to the latest
government figures. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:23 | |
Just 15% of businesses have a higher
wage bill for women. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
Companies have six weeks left
to report their gender pay gap. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
So far almost 1,000
businesses have responded | 0:10:29 | 0:10:30 | |
out of the 9,000 asked. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:39 | |
Security experts have warned of the
risk of artificial intelligence | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
being exploited by rogue states were
criminals and terrorists. The report | 0:10:43 | 0:10:49 | |
warns of scenarios like drones using
face recognition to attack | 0:10:49 | 0:10:54 | |
individuals and hackers manipulating
autonomous cars. The authors say | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
designers need to do more to prevent
possible misuse | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
of the technology. The Brit Awards
take place this evening at London's | 0:11:01 | 0:11:06 | |
O2 Arena. Dua Lipa has the highest
number of nominations ever given to | 0:11:06 | 0:11:20 | |
a female artist. She is heading
towards 200,000 sales with her self | 0:11:20 | 0:11:25 | |
titled debut album. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
That's a summary of
the latest BBC News. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
More at 9:30am. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:36 | |
We will bring you an exclusive
interview where buy a woman raped by | 0:11:36 | 0:11:45 | |
John Worboys she'll be arguing the
Metropolitan Police failed her | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
because they did not investigate her
case properly. She went to the | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
police back in 2003. In fact, John
ten -- John Worboys drove her then. | 0:11:53 | 0:12:08 | |
Do get in touch with us
throughout the morning. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:13 | |
Let's get some sport
with Hugh. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:14 | |
Hugh, we start in South Korea. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
We always get entranced
by the curling competition | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
and there's some good
news for Team GB. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:23 | |
Yes, good morning. Some very good
news for Team GB. The tournament | 0:12:23 | 0:12:29 | |
lasts virtually the entire winter
Olympics. The final round matches | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
work today and victory for Team GB.
The very good one indeed over the | 0:12:33 | 0:12:38 | |
defending champions Canada means
they have reached the semifinals. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
They were trailing by a couple of
points going into the final few | 0:12:41 | 0:12:46 | |
ends. They secured two points on the
final end to snatch a 6-5 victory. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:52 | |
It knocks the defending champions
out of the competition, so we could | 0:12:52 | 0:12:56 | |
be looking at a potential medal on
the way for Eve Muirhead and the | 0:12:56 | 0:13:05 | |
team. A very good win for them and
their plans. Delighted. We knew it | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
would be a really tough game against
Canada. To book our spot in the | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
semifinal, it is our first goal and
we are delighted with that. How | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
about the jump in the air question
we saw you leaving the eyes. I | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
cannot actually remember it. You are
in that zone quickly forget about | 0:13:20 | 0:13:25 | |
the small things. I am glad I
learned safe on my feet. No laughing | 0:13:25 | 0:13:31 | |
matter for the Team GB men.
Unfortunately they were beaten, | 0:13:31 | 0:13:36 | |
crashed 10-4 in the game against the
United States. That means the | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
captain and his team will have a
play-off to see if they can reach | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
the final four. That would be
against Switzerland just after | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
midnight. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
From the ice, to the snow. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
Billy Morgan must get a mention -
it's the first time the Big Air | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
competition has been held,
and he is into the final - | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
scoring 87.5 and then
90.5 on his second run. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:00 | |
Seven points off the top score. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
He'll have to push his
tricks a bit further. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:14 | |
That final will be in the early
hours of Saturday morning. And | 0:14:17 | 0:14:28 | |
Lionel Messi finally got his header
against Chelsea last night? Yes, he | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
did. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
The five-time Ballon D'Or winner
hadn't scored in nine | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
Champions League games
against Chelsea, but all of that | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
changed in an intriguing last 16
first leg tie at Stamford Bridge. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
Messi and his teammates are top
of the Spanish top division | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
and largely controlled things. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:45 | |
But the clearest chances
on the night went to Chelsea - | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
Willian had hit the post twice
before making it third time lucky. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
But you can't give Messi this
sort of opportunity - | 0:14:50 | 0:15:00 | |
a misplaced pass allowing | 0:15:01 | 0:15:02 | |
Andres Iniesta to play
in the Argentine forward | 0:15:02 | 0:15:03 | |
for a crucial away goal. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
The match ending 1-1. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:11 | |
Despite having just 27%
possession on the night - | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
Chelsea boss Antonio Conte said
it was almost "the perfect | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
performance" and that they'll
"try to do something incredible" | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
by knocking out the Spanish giants
in a few weeks at the Nou Camp. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
When two women were raped
by the same man four years apart, | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
the police didn't believe either
of their stories. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
That man was John Worboys,
the black cab rapist, | 0:15:28 | 0:15:34 | |
who was later convicted on 19
charges, including rape | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
and sexual assault. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
Police now believe he may have
attacked over 100 people. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
This morning, the Supreme Court
will rule on whether | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
the Metropolitan Police is liable
to those two victims | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
because it failed to properly
investigate their allegations. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
The two women were assaulted
by Worboys in 2003 and 2007. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:59 | |
As a result of the police failures,
Worboys was able to continue | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
to attack women until he was brought
to justice in 2009. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:07 | |
Two courts have already
ruled in their favour, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:12 | |
but the Metropolitan Police,
backed by the Home | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
Office, have appealed. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:20 | |
A victory for the women
today would mean police | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
forces could face human | 0:16:22 | 0:16:23 | |
rights actions whenever they fail
to properly investigate | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
serious violent crime. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
In a moment, we'll speak
exclusively to one of those | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
women and her solicitor -
the conversation as you'd expect | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
is graphic and frank in places,
and you nay not want young | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
children to watch. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
children to watch or listen. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:44 | |
But first here's a look at why
today's ruling is important - | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
there are some flashing
images coming up. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
He is one of Britain's worst serial
sex attacker is. He has been found | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
guilty of 19 offences against 12
women. -- attackers. But police say | 0:16:54 | 0:17:01 | |
the number of women he attacked me
run into the hundreds. His name is | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
John Worboys. He would drive around
London in his black late at night | 0:17:05 | 0:17:10 | |
aching up winning. He would tell
them lies about winning the lottery | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
so that he had a reason to offer
champagne. -- picking up women. He | 0:17:14 | 0:17:20 | |
would then drug and sexually assault
them. Occurs of the sedatives he | 0:17:20 | 0:17:25 | |
used, many of the victims would have
had no recollection of what | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
happened. He was caught and jailed
in 2009 but a parole board decided | 0:17:28 | 0:17:35 | |
he could be eligible for release
last month. It caused outrage, with | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
many victims finding about his
impending release in the press. The | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
growing criticism of the Parole
Board's decision to release serial | 0:17:43 | 0:17:48 | |
sex attacker John Worboys... A few
years previously two victims of John | 0:17:48 | 0:17:54 | |
Worboys won a case against the
Metropolitan Police about the way | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
they investigated the case. The two
women said that when they reported | 0:17:57 | 0:18:04 | |
the case to the police in 2003 and
2007, officers did not believe them | 0:18:04 | 0:18:11 | |
and so did not investigate properly.
The Metropolitan Police had several | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
opportunities to apprehend and stop
him and didn't. In one case he was | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
so confident of getting away with
his crimes that he actually drove | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
his victim to the police station and
dropped her off there. Officers took | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
neither his name nor his rigid
racial details. The two women | 0:18:26 | 0:18:30 | |
brought their case against the
police. A Court of Appeal upheld the | 0:18:30 | 0:18:35 | |
verdict but the Met has taken the
case to the Supreme Court. The | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
result will be important in deciding
weather the police can be held to | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
account for breaching victims'
rights. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:53 | |
And we can exclusively speak to one
of those women you just heard about, | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
who was driven to a police station
by John Worboys after | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
he'd attacked her. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:02 | |
We are going to call her
Fiona this morning - | 0:19:02 | 0:19:08 | |
not her real name -
and she's joined by her | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
solicitor Harriet Wistritch. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
Thank you for talking to us. How did
you come into contact with Worboys? | 0:19:14 | 0:19:19 | |
In 2003I was out with some friends
are celebrating a friend's birthday | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
party. After the night out, I was
with some groups of friends who | 0:19:22 | 0:19:27 | |
hailed a cab for me. I got into the.
-- in to the cab. There was nothing | 0:19:27 | 0:19:42 | |
which made me feel uncomfortable or
threatened by his manner, he was | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
just a chatty, talking about the
night out, asking where I lived, did | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
I live on my own, asking about my
family. I was expecting to him it | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
was my friend's birthday party. And
I had just had a baby so that was | 0:19:53 | 0:19:58 | |
the first night out since having the
baby, who was with my partner that | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
night. And then he offered me a
drink. What kind of a drink? Well, | 0:20:01 | 0:20:07 | |
it was just... It was just a
really... I Remoaner taking a sip | 0:20:07 | 0:20:12 | |
out of it, it was a really strong
orange liqueur, it wasn't very nice | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
at all. I didn't particularly want
it because at that point of the | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
night I was going home because I had
to be up early in the morning and I | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
really didn't want to drink any
more, I had stopped drinking some | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
time before. And we went over a
speed bump and I did spill | 0:20:26 | 0:20:32 | |
practically all the drink over
myself, apologised but he pulled me | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
another one. And I really can't
explain why I drank the drink but I | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
think it was just one of those
situations where you just feel, just | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
print it. It's just a drink, it will
be fine, he can take me home. -- | 0:20:41 | 0:20:47 | |
just drink it. And then there was
some conversation about him is | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
stopping for a cigarette or
something. And did I want to have a | 0:20:51 | 0:20:56 | |
cigarette? I might even have asked
him, is it OK if I smoked ham and | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
because I think in 2003 we did smoke
in. And he pulled over and I | 0:21:00 | 0:21:06 | |
remember him getting into the back
of the cab with me. And I remember | 0:21:06 | 0:21:12 | |
him putting his... I think he went
to put his arm around me and I just | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
remember, before I blacked out, just
saying he was nice. Which are sort | 0:21:16 | 0:21:21 | |
of creep me out a little bit because
I just wondered if I had somehow | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
encouraged him by saying that. I
think I was just meaning, you're a | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
nice guy because you've just given
me a cigarette or something. It | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
wasn't intended to be anything other
than that. And the next memory I | 0:21:31 | 0:21:37 | |
have is waking up in hospital.
That's when you woke up and thought, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:43 | |
what on earth happened? Yeah. I woke
up and I was very confused, very | 0:21:43 | 0:21:53 | |
disorientated and I had a drip in my
almond I pulled the drip out and | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
went to the toilet. I think I was
having a bit of a meltdown. Looking | 0:21:57 | 0:22:03 | |
back on it it was a bit embarrassing
because I think I was running around | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
shouting at the nurses, I don't know
where I am, where am I? They didn't | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
realise what I meant and they kept
saying, you're in hospital. I was | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
like I know I am in hospital but
where? I didn't know which hospital | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
I was in and I was really upset
because I should have been home | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
looking after my baby. Did you know
you'd been raped? As soon as I sat | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
on the toilet I knew I had been
raped. I was a little bit sore | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
and... And when I went to the toilet
the tampon that I was wearing fell | 0:22:30 | 0:22:37 | |
out, and I knew instantly because of
the way I was. The nurse was trying | 0:22:37 | 0:22:43 | |
to calm me down and I kept saying, I
need... I need to speak to the | 0:22:43 | 0:22:48 | |
police, I've been raped. And I do
remember one of the nurses saying, | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
it's fine, come and sit down, the
police are on their way. I don't | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
know to this day where she got this
from, how she knew. But what you | 0:22:55 | 0:23:00 | |
learned subsequently was that
actually Worboys had driven you to a | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
police nation after he had raped
you. Yes. And when you arrived at | 0:23:03 | 0:23:11 | |
the police station, according to to
what has been heard in court | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
previously, you were incapacitated,
you were disorientated, you were | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
vomiting. How did the police treat
you? Well, they assumed that I was | 0:23:17 | 0:23:26 | |
just some drunk that night. . And
did they take his details? Well, | 0:23:26 | 0:23:32 | |
this is the thing, I was given three
different stories of what happened | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
that night by the police. And that
was all within the space of a couple | 0:23:36 | 0:23:41 | |
of hours. First of all I was told
they had his details, because when | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
the police came to the hospital, I
told them what had happened to me. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:50 | |
And I think they told me that he
taken me to the police station. And | 0:23:50 | 0:23:56 | |
I said, well, did you get his
details? They went, yes, of course, | 0:23:56 | 0:24:01 | |
we've got his details, and I was
relieved. Because I knew it was him. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
And they assured me they had all of
his details, his name, cab number, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
everything. And then a little bit
later, I was told that he had given | 0:24:09 | 0:24:14 | |
false details, so I was... Well,
that proves that he had something to | 0:24:14 | 0:24:22 | |
hide, then. And then quite quickly
after that it turned out that they | 0:24:22 | 0:24:27 | |
had no details for him, nobody had
bothered to ask, because hit told | 0:24:27 | 0:24:34 | |
them that I was in that state when
he had picked me up. Although I was | 0:24:34 | 0:24:39 | |
told afterwards by the other person
that had encouraged... That he was | 0:24:39 | 0:24:45 | |
arguing with Worboys in front of the
police, saying, that lady isn't just | 0:24:45 | 0:24:50 | |
drunk, it's clear she's not just
drunk, and a black cab driver does | 0:24:50 | 0:24:55 | |
not pick up fares in that state.
What do you think of the fact that | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
after he attacked you in the back of
his cab, he then had the arrogance, | 0:24:58 | 0:25:06 | |
audacity, to take you to a police
station? I don't think that was ever | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
his choice of. I think that was
because he took me to the wrong | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
address, and the involvement of that
other person. I think Howard... I do | 0:25:12 | 0:25:20 | |
believe that had that other person
not been in the property, I would | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
have been dumped near the property
in the alleyway at the back, because | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
I don't think he ever would have
taken me to the police station. Had | 0:25:27 | 0:25:34 | |
the police taking his details, they
might have realised... The way the | 0:25:34 | 0:25:41 | |
police handled your complaint,
you've already said they treated you | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
as a drunk that night - after that?
Well, I thought, when I was taken to | 0:25:44 | 0:25:54 | |
Telford, it seemed to be ticking all
the right boxes and I felt that | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
things were being dealt with as they
should be. -- Ilford. But when I | 0:25:58 | 0:26:06 | |
came home from two big that
afternoon, after being examined, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
which is actually quite a stressful
situation, it is not a nice thing to | 0:26:09 | 0:26:14 | |
have to happen to you, to be dropped
off and left with a baby while they | 0:26:14 | 0:26:20 | |
take your partner into the police
station for, just to give a | 0:26:20 | 0:26:26 | |
statement, and he's gone for two
hours and you're left, still | 0:26:26 | 0:26:31 | |
disorientated, still under the
influence of whatever drugs he's | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
given, extremely upset, and
emotional, to look after a baby on | 0:26:33 | 0:26:40 | |
your own, I did feel that was very
inappropriate. I felt I should have | 0:26:40 | 0:26:46 | |
had a little bit of of support there
or the option of calling a friend or | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
somebody to be with me, because I
just remember phoning their partner | 0:26:50 | 0:26:55 | |
constantly to say, how long are you
going to be? Because the baby is | 0:26:55 | 0:27:00 | |
crying. And at that point I felt I
could not pick him up and comfort | 0:27:00 | 0:27:04 | |
him, because I just felt I was not
capable of doing that because I was | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
very upset and I didn't want to be
around him while I was that upset. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
Ultimately the police did not
believe you had been attacked? No. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:18 | |
You gave evidence on video, and one
of the things which was said was | 0:27:18 | 0:27:24 | |
that you weren't a credible witness
- they didn't believe you? Yep. I | 0:27:24 | 0:27:29 | |
was told two days later, when I was
picked up, because I think you have | 0:27:29 | 0:27:34 | |
to do the video evidence within 48
hours, and they picked me up from my | 0:27:34 | 0:27:39 | |
partner Schiele is flat, and as we
were driving down to the police | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
station, I was told by the officers
in the police car that this was | 0:27:41 | 0:27:49 | |
really important book that it was as
factual as possible, and to try and | 0:27:49 | 0:27:55 | |
women are as much as I could. It
would be shown in court if it went | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
to prosecution. Therefore, emotions
just confuse everybody, you've got | 0:27:59 | 0:28:05 | |
to be as concise as you possibly
can. So, the way I've always spoken | 0:28:05 | 0:28:11 | |
about what happened that night is
the way I am talking to you I detach | 0:28:11 | 0:28:15 | |
myself, because otherwise I do get
upset. So, I'm talking about it as | 0:28:15 | 0:28:20 | |
if it's a story that happened to
somebody else. And they were very | 0:28:20 | 0:28:25 | |
clear in the police car that that's
what they needed, so I thought, OK, | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
I'll try my best here, put a brave
face on it, so I went in and told | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
them all the facts that I could
remember, and tried to keep it | 0:28:33 | 0:28:37 | |
together. And then halfway through
the interview, the officer left the | 0:28:37 | 0:28:42 | |
room, his colleagues were in the
room next door filming. He was gone | 0:28:42 | 0:28:46 | |
for a few minutes and he came back
and sat down and he said, to be | 0:28:46 | 0:28:52 | |
honest, I've interviewed quite a few
raped victims and you're not | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
believable. He said, most victims
would be crying, shouting, | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
screaming, even throwing things
around, and you're sitting there as | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
calm as anything. He said, you're
not coming across as believable. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:07 | |
What impact did that have on you
then and over the subsequent years? | 0:29:07 | 0:29:12 | |
Well, identity to explain to him
what had happened on the way there, | 0:29:12 | 0:29:16 | |
even though in the next room where
the people that told me this. And | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
they were watching via the cameras.
I explained what had happened, but | 0:29:19 | 0:29:25 | |
he said, no, they're not supposed to
coach people, so he didn't believe | 0:29:25 | 0:29:31 | |
me. And that had an impact on you
over the years after that? Oh, | 0:29:31 | 0:29:36 | |
absolutely. I felt then, that's when
I really felt that the investigation | 0:29:36 | 0:29:43 | |
was going downhill. Because then
after that, I spoke to another | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
officer, and they said that, I have
noticed over the 48 hours since the | 0:29:47 | 0:29:53 | |
attack, I had a lot of bruising come
out, and could we have them | 0:29:53 | 0:29:57 | |
photographed for evidence, because
it was clear that they were | 0:29:57 | 0:30:03 | |
handgrips on the? And to me it
looked like somebody had been | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
holding me down or something because
they were on my arms and legs. And I | 0:30:06 | 0:30:11 | |
was told, that's fine, somebody will
be in touch. And I think there must | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
be something inside me that made me
realise, this is really important, | 0:30:15 | 0:30:20 | |
because they're not going to do it.
So the next day I actually went and | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
saw my GP and had it recorded, the
bruising. In 2008 Granollers a call | 0:30:23 | 0:30:33 | |
for witnesses and victims of John
Worboys which is when you went | 0:30:33 | 0:30:38 | |
forward again. -- there was a call.
I didn't want to go forward, to | 0:30:38 | 0:30:48 | |
start with, if I am honest. When I
had a call from my friends who was | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
with me that night, he saw it on the
news and said, I think that is him. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:59 | |
I did the late because I thought I
can't go through that I can't go | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
through another five years of not
being believed, being told he made | 0:31:03 | 0:31:08 | |
it up, being told a black cab driver
just would not do that, being told | 0:31:08 | 0:31:12 | |
that you could not possibly have
been raped because you are wearing a | 0:31:12 | 0:31:17 | |
tampon. It was absolutely
horrendous. For five years I was | 0:31:17 | 0:31:23 | |
doubting my own sanity. Had I
imagined it? Had I made it up? I | 0:31:23 | 0:31:28 | |
couldn't confide in many people
about what had happened because it | 0:31:28 | 0:31:33 | |
was so difficult to say to somebody
this is what happened but nobody | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
believes me. And to go through all
of that again, it did take me a | 0:31:36 | 0:31:41 | |
little while. When I was seeing the
numbers going up and up and up, I | 0:31:41 | 0:31:48 | |
always said to the police when they
closed the file he would reoffend, | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
he would definitely reoffend because
I refuse to pick up my clothes. They | 0:31:51 | 0:31:58 | |
said he would definitely reoffend
and I would need them as evidence. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:02 | |
Seeing the numbers going up in terms
of women coming forward, literally | 0:32:02 | 0:32:06 | |
over days, it was horrendous. I
never realised he was going to | 0:32:06 | 0:32:10 | |
reoffend that many times and I had
to go forward, I had to do | 0:32:10 | 0:32:15 | |
everything I could. Your action
today that is being heard in the | 0:32:15 | 0:32:22 | |
Supreme Court, is all about whether
the police failed to conduct an | 0:32:22 | 0:32:27 | |
effective investigation. I'm going
to bring in your solicitor, if I | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
may. The Met, then backed by the
then Home Secretary to reason me are | 0:32:31 | 0:32:38 | |
fighting this ruling. What are the
implications if you do win today? If | 0:32:38 | 0:32:45 | |
we win, it will establish in law
that the police do have a duty to | 0:32:45 | 0:32:51 | |
undertake effective investigations
into crimes that meet the threshold | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
of article three, which is inhumane
and degrading treatment, of which | 0:32:54 | 0:33:00 | |
rape would qualify. It would be an
historic judgment if it goes in that | 0:33:00 | 0:33:05 | |
way because, so far, the courts have
been tested a number of times about | 0:33:05 | 0:33:14 | |
whether police are liable under the
common-law of negligence. The courts | 0:33:14 | 0:33:19 | |
have consistently said he cannot
bring negligence claims against the | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
police for failed investigations.
What we have argued is, under the | 0:33:23 | 0:33:28 | |
Human Rights Act, the state has a
duty to ensure its citizens are not | 0:33:28 | 0:33:34 | |
subject to inhumane and degrading
treatment. We have argued that that | 0:33:34 | 0:33:39 | |
duty extends to having an effective,
not just effective laws, but | 0:33:39 | 0:33:44 | |
actually operation of those laws.
That is essentially what the | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
argument is and what we're waiting
to hear, what the court will decide. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:52 | |
So it would be, if it goes the right
way, it would be very good for rape | 0:33:52 | 0:34:00 | |
victims and other victims of serious
crime generally. And it would open | 0:34:00 | 0:34:05 | |
the doors to potentially sue other
forces for failing to carry out an | 0:34:05 | 0:34:12 | |
investigation? Potentially. They are
not saying every single case would | 0:34:12 | 0:34:18 | |
lead to a civil claim. They have
been careful to say it has been | 0:34:18 | 0:34:23 | |
really serious failures. As we heard
in this case, it is not just what | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
happened to Fiona, it is what
happened to my other clients. We | 0:34:27 | 0:34:33 | |
know that ten women reported Worboys
to the police before eventually they | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
made the connection. Once the media
appeal went out, 105 cases were | 0:34:37 | 0:34:44 | |
linked. And so, very many women
don't even report. Of course, where | 0:34:44 | 0:34:52 | |
drugs are used, women aren't even
sure what has happened to them. So, | 0:34:52 | 0:34:59 | |
this is so important because we have
to, we have to get confidence from | 0:34:59 | 0:35:04 | |
women to report. I don't know why
the Home Secretary took the decision | 0:35:04 | 0:35:09 | |
to side with the police when she
made statements about the importance | 0:35:09 | 0:35:14 | |
of violence against women and
initiatives. The police argument is, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:19 | |
if the ruling goes your way if you
win you are effectively imposing an | 0:35:19 | 0:35:24 | |
investigative duty on the police was
that they are saying we have | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
procedures in place and practices in
place and that is enough. That is | 0:35:27 | 0:35:32 | |
precisely the point. What is so
startling when Reid took this case | 0:35:32 | 0:35:38 | |
to trial originally, that is right.
They did have procedures and | 0:35:38 | 0:35:42 | |
guidelines in place. There was a
whole set of guidelines about how | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
you assess drug assisted rape and
they did not follow them. An | 0:35:45 | 0:35:52 | |
inspector in court said that my
council said but what do you think | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
this guideline is here for question
he said, I don't know. Is it to | 0:35:55 | 0:35:59 | |
protect us from litigation or
something? If that is the attitude | 0:35:59 | 0:36:03 | |
you cannot just have laws and
guidelines if they are not enforced | 0:36:03 | 0:36:07 | |
properly. Let me bring the owner
back in. There is a separate, | 0:36:07 | 0:36:11 | |
judicial review which you are also
bringing. -- Fiona. That is about | 0:36:11 | 0:36:17 | |
the release of John Worboys and the
decision made by the Independent | 0:36:17 | 0:36:25 | |
parole board to release him after
eight years. You want that stopped, | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
reversed will stop it meant you
faced John Worboys in court a few | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
weeks ago. Tell us about that. I was
already warned he could possibly | 0:36:31 | 0:36:38 | |
have been there on video link. I was
sort of prepared for him there. But | 0:36:38 | 0:36:46 | |
when, obviously, I was told he would
be there in person, it was a bit | 0:36:46 | 0:36:50 | |
difficult walking through the doors
and getting to court. I think I was | 0:36:50 | 0:36:54 | |
a little bit late. I made it because
I felt it was really important to | 0:36:54 | 0:37:02 | |
show Worboys himself I was not
scared anymore because I do believe | 0:37:02 | 0:37:07 | |
that rape is not about sex, it is
about control and power. I want to | 0:37:07 | 0:37:13 | |
take back control and power back
from him by showing him I was no | 0:37:13 | 0:37:18 | |
longer afraid of him. What did you
think when you saw him? When I saw | 0:37:18 | 0:37:23 | |
him I was expecting a big, scary
monster to come through the doors. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:28 | |
Over this amount of time, 15 years,
you build it up in your head of what | 0:37:28 | 0:37:33 | |
he will be like. When he first
walked through the doors I was just | 0:37:33 | 0:37:39 | |
struck by, oh my God, he's pathetic.
A pathetic old man. He was all | 0:37:39 | 0:37:45 | |
hunched over and reading his hands
were talking were talking. Talking | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
just above a whisper. A couple of
times he looked at me and I saw his | 0:37:49 | 0:37:55 | |
eyes. Do you know what? He has not
changed one bit. Every woman that | 0:37:55 | 0:38:01 | |
got in a cab reported the reason
they accepted that drink was because | 0:38:01 | 0:38:06 | |
they felt sorry for him. It was
pathetic. It was an act. I do | 0:38:06 | 0:38:11 | |
believe going to court was an act. I
saw his eyes. He is still capable of | 0:38:11 | 0:38:17 | |
what he was doing ten years ago.
Absolutely still capable. I will | 0:38:17 | 0:38:23 | |
keep fighting. I will do whatever it
takes to keep him behind bars for | 0:38:23 | 0:38:27 | |
debate is the only way will be
protected from him, if he is behind | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
bars. No licensing conditions can
watch in 24/ seven. You are adamant | 0:38:31 | 0:38:37 | |
he is still a danger? As far as I'm
concerned, he is a danger. I am not | 0:38:37 | 0:38:43 | |
concerned about what you can do to
me because is nothing more he can do | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
to me that I don't want to go back
to 2003 and be watching the news | 0:38:47 | 0:38:52 | |
again, waiting for him to reoffend.
I know he will reoffend and I don't | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
want to be in a position where I
said, I was right, I told you he | 0:38:55 | 0:38:59 | |
would do this again. He will. He
will absolutely do this again and we | 0:38:59 | 0:39:04 | |
need to protect women from him. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:14 | |
That was "Fiona" whose case
is at the supreme court today | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
and her solicitor Harriet Wistritch. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
We are expecting that ruling very
soon. Andy says... | 0:39:20 | 0:39:26 | |
That says... -- Bev. And from
Sheena... | 0:39:34 | 0:39:47 | |
This from Ian. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
These women have already been paid
compensation, £40,000. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:19 | |
This is the news to do with
unemployment will do it increased by | 0:40:19 | 0:40:25 | |
46,000 to 1.47 million according to
the office for National Statistics. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
The unexpected rise from a record
low was accompanied by an | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
improvement in pay rises which
averaged 2.5%, excluding bonuses. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:38 | |
Next this morning... | 0:40:38 | 0:40:39 | |
How hundreds of Britain's
homeless are being trapped | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
into modern slavery. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:43 | |
An investigation by Buzzfeed News
has found that hundreds of hundreds | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
of homeless people have been
captured over the past three years - | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
approached at soup kitchens
and while sleeping rough, | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
and lured into slavery with
the promise of drugs and alcohol. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
Some have been found locked
in caravans, without heating, | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
bedding, or running water; others
chained up, or locked outside. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:09 | |
Jane Bradley is Buzzfeed News'
Investigations correspondent, | 0:41:10 | 0:41:11 | |
who has uncovered this story. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:16 | |
Jane, what did you learn | 0:41:16 | 0:41:17 | |
about how homeless people
are being 'enslaved'? | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
We often hear the term hidden in
plain sight. In this case it really | 0:41:21 | 0:41:26 | |
was. We found evidence that
traffickers were targeting homeless | 0:41:26 | 0:41:32 | |
people are sick kitchens, shelters,
and rough sleeping hotspots all over | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
the UK. This was often incredibly
brazen, in broad daylight. What is | 0:41:36 | 0:41:41 | |
really shocking is just how
calculated and organised the | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
recruitment is. These are not just
opportunistic pick-ups. This is the | 0:41:44 | 0:41:50 | |
deliberate targeting people who are
desperate, vulnerable, and often | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
have some kind of addiction mental
health issues that traffickers are | 0:41:54 | 0:41:59 | |
ultimately preying on. Turning up at
soup kitchens with the promise of | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
cash or a bed. Sometimes even drugs
or alcohol. Whatever that | 0:42:03 | 0:42:10 | |
vulnerability is that these
traffickers are playing on, some | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
shelters even reported gang masters
posing as volunteers or rough | 0:42:13 | 0:42:19 | |
sleepers themselves in order to
infiltrate the plays and recruit | 0:42:19 | 0:42:23 | |
more homeless workers. That is what
we are talking about here. You spent | 0:42:23 | 0:42:28 | |
time doing secret filming on groups
of homeless people and potential | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
traffickers. Tell us about that. We
wanted to find evidence for this | 0:42:32 | 0:42:37 | |
ourselves and we spent weeks
carrying out surveillance and | 0:42:37 | 0:42:41 | |
secretly filming brands and cars as
they picked up homeless and | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
destitute workers on a street corner
in Bradford and took them to local | 0:42:45 | 0:42:50 | |
worksites. Every day, around 7am, up
to 15 men would be standing on these | 0:42:50 | 0:42:56 | |
corners waiting for work. Often four
hours in the freezing cold or | 0:42:56 | 0:43:00 | |
pouring rain and it really was like
watching a red light district. A car | 0:43:00 | 0:43:05 | |
or van would pull up, the window
would go down and I homeless worker, | 0:43:05 | 0:43:10 | |
a destitute worker with leaning,
sometimes negotiate, get into the | 0:43:10 | 0:43:14 | |
car, and drive off. We followed some
of these workers to construction | 0:43:14 | 0:43:20 | |
sites, a charity clothing bank, and
even a law firm in Bradford. We | 0:43:20 | 0:43:26 | |
found evidence of exploitation. One
gang master admitted to paying less | 0:43:26 | 0:43:30 | |
than the minimum wage. Another said
he did employ a homeless worker for | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
cash in hand Labour but he paid him
fairly. A third guy simply said, no | 0:43:34 | 0:43:40 | |
one is making them stand there. When
the victims are recruited, how are | 0:43:40 | 0:43:44 | |
they treated? I spoke to six victims
for this investigation full debate | 0:43:44 | 0:43:50 | |
all painted a picture of
backbreaking 12 hour shifts in | 0:43:50 | 0:43:55 | |
factories, hotels, construction
sites all over the UK. This would | 0:43:55 | 0:43:58 | |
often be working seven days a week
for as little as £20 at the end of | 0:43:58 | 0:44:02 | |
it. Sometimes nothing at all. They
would be kept in the filthy, rat | 0:44:02 | 0:44:09 | |
infested caravans, offer with no hot
water, no running water, no | 0:44:09 | 0:44:14 | |
electricity, no heating. Or it might
be a terraced house where up to 50 | 0:44:14 | 0:44:20 | |
workers would be kept in while they
worked for these slave masters. In | 0:44:20 | 0:44:25 | |
one case actually a police officer
told me she had come across 25 | 0:44:25 | 0:44:29 | |
people living in the garden of a
house in what she described as | 0:44:29 | 0:44:33 | |
rabbit hutch is. Of course, there is
often threats or beatings at the | 0:44:33 | 0:44:40 | |
hands of the traffickers in order to
basically scare the victims into | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
staying put. One of the victims I
spoke to for this investigation told | 0:44:43 | 0:44:50 | |
me he had witnessed a gang master
pouring boiling hot Coffey over a | 0:44:50 | 0:44:58 | |
victim. Another tried to strangle
someone with his own shirt. It is | 0:44:58 | 0:45:04 | |
not just physical assaults that they
face. Traffickers will often steal | 0:45:04 | 0:45:09 | |
ID documents of victims to keep them
trapped, or run up imaginary debts | 0:45:09 | 0:45:15 | |
for living costs so they can spend
decades paying off this money. My | 0:45:15 | 0:45:19 | |
mother did you get the sense in your
investigation of how bad the problem | 0:45:19 | 0:45:23 | |
is, how widespread it is? One thing
that really struck me when I first | 0:45:23 | 0:45:27 | |
started to look into this was how
much of an open secret it seemed to | 0:45:27 | 0:45:33 | |
be in the sector, amongst homeless
charities in shelters and even the | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
police force. That was in contrast
to public awareness around the | 0:45:36 | 0:45:40 | |
issue. We did some digging and found
there have been hundreds of reports | 0:45:40 | 0:45:45 | |
of homeless victims of modern
slavery in the UK in the past three | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
years. There were 278 in the last
year alone. These figures are very | 0:45:48 | 0:45:54 | |
likely to be the tip of the iceberg,
simply because many of these cases | 0:45:54 | 0:46:00 | |
are undocumented. The Government,
the local authorities, and many | 0:46:00 | 0:46:05 | |
police forces have failed to keep
track of any data of homeless | 0:46:05 | 0:46:12 | |
victims of modern slavery. Our
analysis really is the first insight | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
we have had into the scale of the
problem and what it shows is these | 0:46:15 | 0:46:20 | |
are not one-offs. This is a
widespread crime targeting some of | 0:46:20 | 0:46:23 | |
the most vulnerable people in our
society. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:44 | |
We've been speaking to a victim
of the Rooney family, | 0:46:44 | 0:46:46 | |
who were convicted last September
of modern-day slavery offences | 0:46:46 | 0:46:49 | |
after they illegally held 18 men
at a caravan site in Lincoln. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:51 | |
Fred, which isn't his real name,
has learning difficulties | 0:46:51 | 0:46:54 | |
and was picked up by the Rooneys
at a soup kitchen in Reading before | 0:46:54 | 0:46:57 | |
being driven to Lincoln,
where he would live in squalor | 0:46:57 | 0:46:59 | |
for the next 12 years. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:01 | |
He's been speaking to our
reporter Greg Dawson. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:02 | |
Fred, just tell me about the day
that you first met the Rooney | 0:47:02 | 0:47:07 | |
family, what can you remember? A
traveller came in and asked for some | 0:47:07 | 0:47:11 | |
workers and I was the only one they
asked. They said the work would be | 0:47:11 | 0:47:15 | |
time making and block paving. I got
into the van because they said they | 0:47:15 | 0:47:20 | |
wanted another van pushed to get it
started. I got into the van and I | 0:47:20 | 0:47:26 | |
just wondered what was going to
happen to me and I ended up in | 0:47:26 | 0:47:29 | |
Lincoln. When you were in the van,
did they tell you where they were | 0:47:29 | 0:47:33 | |
taking you? No. When I got out of
the van it was dark and I was shown | 0:47:33 | 0:47:38 | |
a caravan, and I stayed in that
caravan until the morning. There | 0:47:38 | 0:47:42 | |
were no washing facilities or
electric or nothing. I didn't sleep | 0:47:42 | 0:47:48 | |
at all because I just wanted to get
off that site and I didn't know | 0:47:48 | 0:47:52 | |
where I was. They gave me breakfast
and told me what duties I had to do | 0:47:52 | 0:47:58 | |
there, and if I didn't do what I was
told I would get slapped up from | 0:47:58 | 0:48:03 | |
Martin. Martin was the boss of them.
I got on friendly with him at first | 0:48:03 | 0:48:08 | |
but after a while he started
bullying be. What did they tell you | 0:48:08 | 0:48:14 | |
that they would pay you when you
were working for them? They said I | 0:48:14 | 0:48:20 | |
would get £20 to £30 a day for just
doing things like digging out a | 0:48:20 | 0:48:25 | |
driveway and getting it ready for
paving or tarmac. And did they ever | 0:48:25 | 0:48:29 | |
give you that money? No. Never. All
the time I was there I got nothing | 0:48:29 | 0:48:37 | |
off them. They also took my benefits
from me that I was paid every | 0:48:37 | 0:48:40 | |
fortnight. If you refused to do the
work they were asking, what would | 0:48:40 | 0:48:49 | |
happen? If I didn't do the work, I'd
get slapped by the dad. And if the | 0:48:49 | 0:48:55 | |
dad wasn't there, I'd get slapped by
the twins. I had no choice. How | 0:48:55 | 0:49:02 | |
often would they beat you? Every
day, if I didn't do what they | 0:49:02 | 0:49:08 | |
wanted. He would either use his belt
or his fist. I wanted to walk off | 0:49:08 | 0:49:15 | |
there and then, but I didn't know
where I was or where to go. I was | 0:49:15 | 0:49:18 | |
frightened. What did you do for food
when you were living there? There's | 0:49:18 | 0:49:25 | |
a friend of mine who used to go to
raid the bins at the local shops to | 0:49:25 | 0:49:30 | |
feed himself. And when he went
looking for food I went with him. We | 0:49:30 | 0:49:36 | |
got into the bins, taking bread and
whatever else was worth eating. I | 0:49:36 | 0:49:41 | |
would also do a bit of hunting. I
used to they're rabbits and did my | 0:49:41 | 0:49:47 | |
own little rabbit stews and that.
Tell me about the conditions in the | 0:49:47 | 0:49:52 | |
caravan itself - were you able to
have a shower, use the toilets? If I | 0:49:52 | 0:50:00 | |
wanted the toilet I would have to go
behind the nearest bush. So there | 0:50:00 | 0:50:05 | |
were no toilets? There was no toilet
there. I couldn't have a wash or | 0:50:05 | 0:50:08 | |
shower. So, you lived for 12 years
with no toilets, with no washing | 0:50:08 | 0:50:16 | |
facilities? No. Access to a shower
was a no-go, toilet was a no-go. If | 0:50:16 | 0:50:26 | |
I wanted a wash I would have to walk
down to the nearest rock and have a | 0:50:26 | 0:50:29 | |
wash in there. Them days was hard,
and I hope it doesn't happen to | 0:50:29 | 0:50:34 | |
anybody else. -- the nearest brook.
There's me and a few others that | 0:50:34 | 0:50:41 | |
have been through it, and I wouldn't
want it to happen to anybody else. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:45 | |
Did you ever wonder when you were
there, is anybody looking for me? | 0:50:45 | 0:50:48 | |
Yeah, I wondered that, because I
lost contact with all my friends and | 0:50:48 | 0:50:53 | |
that. I'd given up hope until the
police found me. | 0:50:53 | 0:51:00 | |
12 years is such a long time to be
trapped somewhere, to be exploited, | 0:51:15 | 0:51:19 | |
and to be abused as you work - what
effect has that had on your life? I | 0:51:19 | 0:51:25 | |
don't like being out all day,
because I know people could be out | 0:51:25 | 0:51:30 | |
there wanting workers. It's hard. I
do not want to see it happen to | 0:51:30 | 0:51:36 | |
anybody. There's homeless people out
there, and I don't want to see them | 0:51:36 | 0:51:41 | |
in the same place I was. It's
affected me a lot. Now, I'm away | 0:51:41 | 0:51:47 | |
from them, I'm glad to be where I am
now. If it hadn't been for the | 0:51:47 | 0:51:53 | |
police rescuing me, I wouldn't be
walking about, I'd probably be in a | 0:51:53 | 0:51:58 | |
wooden box somewhere. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:01 | |
Right now we're going straight to
the Supreme Court in London live, | 0:52:06 | 0:52:09 | |
where they're delivering a ruling on
the cases wrought by two women | 0:52:09 | 0:52:14 | |
against the Mike Pollitt police in
the Worboys case... Those failures | 0:52:14 | 0:52:18 | |
constituted a violation of their
rights under article three of the | 0:52:18 | 0:52:23 | |
European Convention on Human Rights
and their freedoms. Article three | 0:52:23 | 0:52:29 | |
provides that no-one shall be
subjected to torture or inhuman or | 0:52:29 | 0:52:33 | |
degrading treatment or punishment.
The main issue on the appeal was to | 0:52:33 | 0:52:40 | |
what extent Article three imposes a
positive obligation on states | 0:52:40 | 0:52:46 | |
effectively to investigate reported
crimes perpetrated by private | 0:52:46 | 0:52:49 | |
individuals. The High Court and the
Court of Appeal held that a positive | 0:52:49 | 0:52:56 | |
obligation to investigate did exist,
and that in this case, that | 0:52:56 | 0:53:00 | |
obligation had not been fulfilled.
Compensation was awarded to DSD and | 0:53:00 | 0:53:09 | |
NBV. Commissioner of the police
appealed to the Supreme Court, and | 0:53:09 | 0:53:17 | |
it was accepted that whatever the
outcome of this appeal, recoupment | 0:53:17 | 0:53:22 | |
of any compensation that had paid
would not be sorted. The main area | 0:53:22 | 0:53:27 | |
of dispute was the nature of the
positive obligation imposed by | 0:53:27 | 0:53:30 | |
article three of the Convention. In
particular, the question arose as to | 0:53:30 | 0:53:35 | |
weather that obligation relates only
to systemic failures on the part of | 0:53:35 | 0:53:41 | |
the police, or weather it also
includes failures in the conduct of | 0:53:41 | 0:53:44 | |
the investigation. The Supreme Court
unanimously dismisses the | 0:53:44 | 0:53:54 | |
commissioner's appeal. There was
disagreement between us as to | 0:53:54 | 0:53:58 | |
whether a liability under the Human
Rights Act arose only due to | 0:53:58 | 0:54:02 | |
systemic failures or whether
efficiency is in the actual | 0:54:02 | 0:54:06 | |
investigation of the offences would
be enough to make the police libel. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:13 | |
By a majority, we have held that
failures in the investigation of the | 0:54:13 | 0:54:17 | |
crimes, provided they are
sufficiently serious, will give rise | 0:54:17 | 0:54:21 | |
to liability on the part of the
police. And we further found that | 0:54:21 | 0:54:26 | |
there WERE such serious efficiencies
in this case. There were, of course, | 0:54:26 | 0:54:32 | |
both systemic and investigatory
failures, a the important point to | 0:54:32 | 0:54:36 | |
make is that if the investigation is
seriously defective, even if no | 0:54:36 | 0:54:40 | |
systemic failures are present, this
would be enough to render the police | 0:54:40 | 0:54:45 | |
libel. The court is now adjourned. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
So, the two women who argued that
the Met Police breached their human | 0:54:54 | 0:54:59 | |
rights for failing to investigate
claims that they had been raped by | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
John Worboys in 2003 and 2007 have
won their case. The Metropolitan | 0:55:02 | 0:55:08 | |
Police have lost. And indeed, the
Home Office backed by the then Home | 0:55:08 | 0:55:12 | |
Secretary Theresa May, have lost
that case. We can go to June Kelly, | 0:55:12 | 0:55:17 | |
our correspondent, outside the
Supreme Court. We heard most of the | 0:55:17 | 0:55:20 | |
ruling, but just fill us in with the
significance of this? I think the | 0:55:20 | 0:55:25 | |
first thing to say, Victoria, is
that this is a significant victory | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
for these women and a serious defeat
for the Met Police, who had brought | 0:55:28 | 0:55:33 | |
this challenge, having lost in the
lower courts. They then came to the | 0:55:33 | 0:55:37 | |
Supreme Court, the highest court in
the land, in the hope that they | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
would win here, the police, and
obviously, an important defeat for | 0:55:40 | 0:55:44 | |
them. As we were hearing from the
justices, they said that they | 0:55:44 | 0:55:48 | |
accepted the arguments from the
women's lawyers that the police had | 0:55:48 | 0:55:52 | |
breached these women's human rights
over their failure to investigate | 0:55:52 | 0:55:55 | |
John Worboys. As we know, John
Worboys was roaming around the | 0:55:55 | 0:55:59 | |
streets of London committing crimes
against women for a number of years, | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
and it has been acknowledged by the
Met Police that he should have been | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
brought to justice earlier. And the
women brought this case on that | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
basis, that he could have been
stopped earlier. This case tells one | 0:56:08 | 0:56:13 | |
of the most significant things about
it is that it will have implications | 0:56:13 | 0:56:15 | |
now for forces around the country
over a possible failure to | 0:56:15 | 0:56:19 | |
investigate. Meaning what, you mean
other people might sue police forces | 0:56:19 | 0:56:26 | |
for failures to investigate
properly? Yes, and we're talking | 0:56:26 | 0:56:32 | |
about serious crimes here, serious
violent crimes, is what the women's | 0:56:32 | 0:56:35 | |
lawyers had argued this case was
about. And basically this is why the | 0:56:35 | 0:56:41 | |
police fought this case all the way
to this court, because they realised | 0:56:41 | 0:56:46 | |
the implications if the judgment
went against them. And of course | 0:56:46 | 0:56:49 | |
now, it has done, as we have heard
in the last few minutes. The women | 0:56:49 | 0:56:52 | |
it should be said, in this case, the
two women, are also the women who | 0:56:52 | 0:56:57 | |
are bringing a challenge against the
decision to release Worboys from | 0:56:57 | 0:57:02 | |
prison on licence. That is a
separate case going on through a | 0:57:02 | 0:57:06 | |
separate judicial process. But
coming back to what's going on here | 0:57:06 | 0:57:10 | |
this morning, crucially, the judges
have said, the justices have said, | 0:57:10 | 0:57:14 | |
that the women's human rights were
breached because the force was under | 0:57:14 | 0:57:21 | |
an obligation to investigate John
Worboys. It failed in that duty. It | 0:57:21 | 0:57:25 | |
is a duty of the state, as it was
put in the judgment, and therefore | 0:57:25 | 0:57:29 | |
this is why the Met Police this
morning have lost this case. Thank | 0:57:29 | 0:57:33 | |
you, June Kelly, outside the Supreme
Court. So, a significant ruling from | 0:57:33 | 0:57:39 | |
the Supreme Court in the last few
minutes. We spoke to one of the | 0:57:39 | 0:57:44 | |
women who was taking that case, who
has won that case, at the start of | 0:57:44 | 0:57:48 | |
the programme this morning. Your
reaction now as you were watching... | 0:57:48 | 0:57:52 | |
This one says... A horrific
experience, such a brave woman. The | 0:57:52 | 0:57:58 | |
police should be ashamed of
themselves in the way that they | 0:57:58 | 0:58:00 | |
treated her when she was at her most
vulnerable. I hope her bravery and | 0:58:00 | 0:58:05 | |
other women who exposed their
attacks encourage others to come | 0:58:05 | 0:58:09 | |
forward and report these crimes.
This one says... It is ridiculous | 0:58:09 | 0:58:12 | |
that the police did not properly
investigate and take the information | 0:58:12 | 0:58:17 | |
of the person who dropped the woman
off at the police station who was in | 0:58:17 | 0:58:21 | |
such a state. It is beyond belief
and completely unprofessional. This | 0:58:21 | 0:58:24 | |
one says... On Twitter the Met
Police do need to be held | 0:58:24 | 0:58:29 | |
accountable for failing survivors of
the black cab rapist. It is clear to | 0:58:29 | 0:58:35 | |
see the emotional suffering caused
by poor standards in investigations. | 0:58:35 | 0:58:38 | |
And one more... To relive the events
and the trauma to complete strangers | 0:58:38 | 0:58:44 | |
in positions of authority and not to
be believed, to be told that you | 0:58:44 | 0:58:47 | |
aren't credible, nor behaving as a
victim of sexual assault should, is | 0:58:47 | 0:58:55 | |
inhumane. More reaction to come to
the Supreme Court ruling in the next | 0:58:55 | 0:58:59 | |
hour of the programme. We will bring
you the latest news and sport in a | 0:58:59 | 0:59:02 | |
moment. Before that, the weather
with Nick. | 0:59:02 | 0:59:07 | |
High pressure building in across the
UK, so it is quiet weather. The fog | 0:59:11 | 0:59:19 | |
is quite slow to clear in some areas
but there will be some sunshine for | 0:59:19 | 0:59:23 | |
most areas at some stage today.
There are areas of cloud around, | 0:59:23 | 0:59:26 | |
particularly in England and Wales.
But even here I think the cloud will | 0:59:26 | 0:59:29 | |
break at times and at least it will
brighten up. There is the chance of | 0:59:29 | 0:59:33 | |
the odd light shower in some areas
but it is mainly dry story. Very few | 0:59:33 | 0:59:40 | |
wind arose showing up, which
indicates very light winds and | 0:59:40 | 0:59:43 | |
temperatures topping out at about
659 Celsius. Next week is looking | 0:59:43 | 0:59:48 | |
much colder. But going towards | 0:59:48 | 0:59:52 | |
weekend temperatures will be
dropping off a little bit. And | 0:59:52 | 0:59:54 | |
tonight there will be a more
widespread frost around. We've got | 0:59:54 | 0:59:57 | |
plenty of clear spells, still some
patchy cloud and patches of fault | 0:59:57 | 1:00:01 | |
developing as well as we go through
the night. Temperatures in two | 1:00:01 | 1:00:04 | |
tomorrow morning close to freezing,
a few degrees below in the coldest | 1:00:04 | 1:00:09 | |
spots. More of us getting a frost
tomorrow morning, and tomorrow, just | 1:00:09 | 1:00:14 | |
like today, there will be areas of
cloud around, there will be sunny | 1:00:14 | 1:00:17 | |
spells, and whilst most places are
looking dry, there will be enough | 1:00:17 | 1:00:22 | |
cloud towards Northern Ireland and
western Scotland to produce a few | 1:00:22 | 1:00:24 | |
light showers here. Temperatures
just dropping off a degree or so | 1:00:24 | 1:00:31 | |
again, and that is the trend for the
rest of the week and into the | 1:00:31 | 1:00:35 | |
weekend, turning colder as lead at
the weekend, as the winter starts to | 1:00:35 | 1:00:38 | |
hit up and some really bitter, cold
air expect it for a time next week | 1:00:38 | 1:00:43 | |
and a few snow showers around as
well. We will keep you updated. | 1:00:43 | 1:00:47 | |
Hello. | 1:00:50 | 1:00:51 | |
It's 10 o'clock. | 1:00:51 | 1:00:52 | |
I'm Victoria Derbyshire. | 1:00:52 | 1:00:53 | |
Breaking news in
the last few minutes. | 1:00:53 | 1:00:55 | |
The Metropolitan Police
has lost its Supreme Court challenge | 1:00:55 | 1:00:57 | |
over a ruling which led to two
women who were sexually | 1:00:57 | 1:00:59 | |
assaulted by London cabbie
John Worboys winning compensation. | 1:00:59 | 1:01:01 | |
We've been speaking exclusively
to one of those women. | 1:01:01 | 1:01:11 | |
I am not worried about
what he will do to me but I | 1:01:16 | 1:01:19 | |
don't want to go back
to 2003 and be watching | 1:01:19 | 1:01:21 | |
the news again waiting
for | 1:01:21 | 1:01:22 | |
him to reoffend. | 1:01:22 | 1:01:23 | |
I know he will reoffend full
I don't want to be in | 1:01:23 | 1:01:26 | |
that position where I will say, I
was right because he will absolutely | 1:01:26 | 1:01:29 | |
do it again. | 1:01:29 | 1:01:31 | |
We'll bring much more reaction
to this throughout the programme. | 1:01:31 | 1:01:33 | |
Also on the programme -
The United Nations in Syria says | 1:01:33 | 1:01:36 | |
it's deeply worried for hundreds
of thousands of people trapped under | 1:01:36 | 1:01:39 | |
a mounting government bombardment
of the rebel-held enclave | 1:01:39 | 1:01:41 | |
of Eastern Ghouta. | 1:01:41 | 1:01:50 | |
We can hear the shouts and crying
of women and children. | 1:01:50 | 1:01:53 | |
The mortars are dropping
on us like rain. | 1:01:53 | 1:01:55 | |
There is nowhere to hide from this
nightmare in Eastern Ghouta. | 1:01:55 | 1:02:02 | |
Women who've had their ovaries
or wombs removed to treat | 1:02:02 | 1:02:12 | |
the painful condition
of endometriosis say they are not | 1:02:16 | 1:02:24 | |
receiving the right after care. | 1:02:25 | 1:02:33 | |
The Supreme Court has made a ruling
over the John Worboys case. The | 1:02:33 | 1:02:41 | |
women claimed police failures
amounted to inhuman and degrading | 1:02:41 | 1:02:44 | |
treatment. The Metropolitan Police
had argued it had practices and | 1:02:44 | 1:02:48 | |
procedures in place that, in the
last few minutes, the court ruled | 1:02:48 | 1:02:53 | |
against them. Fiona is one of the
women involved in today's's case. | 1:02:53 | 1:03:00 | |
She was not one of the women that
Worboys was convicted of raping that | 1:03:00 | 1:03:06 | |
she has been recognised as a victim
of rape since by the police was she | 1:03:06 | 1:03:10 | |
told this programme exclusively
about what happened to her in John | 1:03:10 | 1:03:16 | |
Worboys cab. She is appearing
alongside her lawyer. | 1:03:16 | 1:03:20 | |
There | 1:03:20 | 1:03:21 | |
was a conversation about him
stopping for a cigarette or | 1:03:21 | 1:03:24 | |
something and did I want a
cigarette. I might even have asked | 1:03:24 | 1:03:28 | |
him if it was OK to smoke. In 2003
you did smoke in cabs. People Dover | 1:03:28 | 1:03:34 | |
and I render him getting into the
back of the cab with me. -- he | 1:03:34 | 1:03:40 | |
pulled over and I remember him. He
went to put his arm around me. | 1:03:40 | 1:03:46 | |
Before I lacked out I can remember
thinking he was nice. I wonder if I | 1:03:46 | 1:03:53 | |
encouraged him by saying that. I
think I was meaning, you are a nice | 1:03:53 | 1:03:58 | |
guy because you have given me a
cigarette or something. It was not | 1:03:58 | 1:04:03 | |
intended to be anything other than
that. The next memory I have is | 1:04:03 | 1:04:08 | |
waking up in hospital. That is when
you woke up and thought, what on | 1:04:08 | 1:04:15 | |
earth happened? Yes. I woke up and
was very confused very | 1:04:15 | 1:04:22 | |
disorientated. I had a drip in my
arm and pulled the drip out and went | 1:04:22 | 1:04:29 | |
to the toilets. I think I was having
a bit of a meltdown for the looking | 1:04:29 | 1:04:33 | |
back at it hit was a bit
embarrassing because I was running | 1:04:33 | 1:04:36 | |
around and shouting at the nurses, I
don't know where I am, where am I? | 1:04:36 | 1:04:41 | |
They did not realise what I meant.
They kept saying I was in hospital. | 1:04:41 | 1:04:46 | |
I didn't know which hospital I was
in and I was really upset because I | 1:04:46 | 1:04:50 | |
should have been home looking after
my baby. Did you know you had been | 1:04:50 | 1:05:00 | |
raped? As soon as I went to the
toilet I knew I had been raped. I | 1:05:00 | 1:05:03 | |
was a little bit sore. When I went
to the toilet the tampon I was | 1:05:03 | 1:05:06 | |
wearing fell out. I knew instantly
because of the way I was. Let me | 1:05:06 | 1:05:13 | |
read you some more messages.
Delighted by the Supreme Court | 1:05:13 | 1:05:17 | |
decision to dismiss the appeal by
the Metropolitan Police. This is | 1:05:17 | 1:05:20 | |
justice. This text, I totally feel
the pain of having seen Worboys in | 1:05:20 | 1:05:32 | |
court. I was a victim of sexual
assault three years ago. I was a | 1:05:32 | 1:05:36 | |
teenager at the time did not go to
court I saw the person who did it in | 1:05:36 | 1:05:41 | |
the supermarket a few months ago. By
blood ran cold and I left | 1:05:41 | 1:05:46 | |
immediately. What is not understood
as the victim has a mental life | 1:05:46 | 1:05:50 | |
sentence. Sue says, I sat down
briefly this money to watch part of | 1:05:50 | 1:05:57 | |
your programme and stayed with the
interview with the John Worboys rape | 1:05:57 | 1:06:02 | |
victim. I was stunned and mesmerised
by her bravery and coherence telling | 1:06:02 | 1:06:07 | |
her story. It must have taken so
much to read tell the horrific | 1:06:07 | 1:06:11 | |
events she has enjoyed. I cannot
believe the police reaction. Let me | 1:06:11 | 1:06:20 | |
introduce you to the people
supporting the women's legal | 1:06:20 | 1:06:25 | |
challenge. And also someone from the
Metropolitan Police who investigated | 1:06:25 | 1:06:33 | |
rapes during his time with the
force. The women were arguing above | 1:06:33 | 1:06:40 | |
a breach of human rights that police
failed to investigate claims | 1:06:40 | 1:06:44 | |
properly. What do you say? That
judgment today is a huge victory for | 1:06:44 | 1:06:48 | |
victims rights and huge step forward
in an end of this. I am appalled by | 1:06:48 | 1:07:00 | |
what I saw today. I already knew
about it. This all happened as I was | 1:07:00 | 1:07:05 | |
retiring. We had done so much about
bringing on sexual investigations. | 1:07:05 | 1:07:11 | |
For my part, it was about stalking
and a lot has been achieved on that. | 1:07:11 | 1:07:17 | |
I don't think the police has
entirely got it right. The | 1:07:17 | 1:07:21 | |
comeuppance has happened now. There
are strings attached to it for the | 1:07:21 | 1:07:25 | |
police with floodgates opening with
claims from things like that. They | 1:07:25 | 1:07:30 | |
will have to be careful on that. You
say floodgates opening. The Justice | 1:07:30 | 1:07:34 | |
has made clear that this will only
apply to serious crimes. Simek yes. | 1:07:34 | 1:07:39 | |
I'm happy you mean other people who
feel the police has failed to | 1:07:39 | 1:07:45 | |
investigate claims properly can
soon. 's aye you are right. Anyone | 1:07:45 | 1:07:51 | |
who has been involved in a car
crash, you get calls from different | 1:07:51 | 1:07:58 | |
companies wanting to represent them.
We are in that sort of society. | 1:07:58 | 1:08:06 | |
Police are bound to be concerned
about that. Let me read to this | 1:08:06 | 1:08:11 | |
statement from the major bulletin
police, from the Deputy | 1:08:11 | 1:08:15 | |
Commissioner. He says the metabolic
and police that is fully accepts the | 1:08:15 | 1:08:19 | |
decision of the court this morning.
-- the Metropolitan Police Service. | 1:08:19 | 1:08:25 | |
We have fully accepted the
complaints and it was only the | 1:08:25 | 1:08:28 | |
courage of the victims coming
forward, including these two | 1:08:28 | 1:08:35 | |
complainants today, who have come
forward. Police force needed | 1:08:35 | 1:08:42 | |
absolute clarity and the boundaries
of police responsibility and | 1:08:42 | 1:08:46 | |
liability for their investigations.
We have always been clear that | 1:08:46 | 1:08:52 | |
appeal to the supreme court was
about interpretation of European | 1:08:52 | 1:08:59 | |
human rights law. Do you accept
that? It is good the police are | 1:08:59 | 1:09:04 | |
accepting the decision. They had no
choice. The real question is, why | 1:09:04 | 1:09:09 | |
did they dragged the women through
this? They lost in the High Court | 1:09:09 | 1:09:13 | |
and Court of Appeal. They say it is
about clarity for the bit is about | 1:09:13 | 1:09:18 | |
the police then they did not want
women like the victims of John | 1:09:18 | 1:09:22 | |
Worboys to have a legal right to
bring a case against the police | 1:09:22 | 1:09:26 | |
where victims of serious violent
crimes had faced serious | 1:09:26 | 1:09:32 | |
investigative failures which had
stopped people like John Worboys | 1:09:32 | 1:09:35 | |
coming to justice. Instead of years
of litigation funded by the | 1:09:35 | 1:09:41 | |
taxpayers the police should have
said, we will learn the lessons of | 1:09:41 | 1:09:44 | |
the failures make sure the victims
of violent, sexual offences are | 1:09:44 | 1:09:48 | |
protected in future and not cite the
legal niceties over a number of | 1:09:48 | 1:09:52 | |
years as they have done. Back is
deeply disappointing. Do you think | 1:09:52 | 1:09:57 | |
if police failed to thoroughly
investigate a serious crime they | 1:09:57 | 1:10:04 | |
have breached an individual's human
rights? I think the speed of the | 1:10:04 | 1:10:08 | |
reaction from the Metropolitan
Police suggests they were expecting | 1:10:08 | 1:10:15 | |
that verdict. It is about subsequent
liabilities and that is what they | 1:10:15 | 1:10:20 | |
wanted to make perfectly clear.
There is a huge amount... Now we are | 1:10:20 | 1:10:24 | |
clear. They are liable. They have to
carry out thorough investigations | 1:10:24 | 1:10:29 | |
into people's lane is when it is a
serious allegation. I think they | 1:10:29 | 1:10:34 | |
knew that in the first place. It is
penalties and sanctions that | 1:10:34 | 1:10:38 | |
followed. I would say,
notwithstanding what has happened | 1:10:38 | 1:10:43 | |
today, it still has been huge
progress made in the investigation | 1:10:43 | 1:10:46 | |
of sexual matters and this has gone
horribly wrong and no one will | 1:10:46 | 1:10:50 | |
defend it, I hope. There are more
and more people reporting these | 1:10:50 | 1:10:54 | |
crimes. I would encourage people to
continue doing that. Things have | 1:10:54 | 1:10:58 | |
moved on. I can go back 30, 40 years
went they were treated atrociously, | 1:10:58 | 1:11:05 | |
which they may have been treated
here was a marvellous moves have | 1:11:05 | 1:11:08 | |
been taken forward but it is more of
a multi-agency approach and medical | 1:11:08 | 1:11:14 | |
examinations so police have
confidence and report it. Would you | 1:11:14 | 1:11:17 | |
accept that police have made
progress when it comes to | 1:11:17 | 1:11:22 | |
investigating serious sexual
assaults? Some progress has been | 1:11:22 | 1:11:25 | |
made and more progress needs to be
made. We need better investigations | 1:11:25 | 1:11:29 | |
and we need the women better looked
after. We need to see more | 1:11:29 | 1:11:34 | |
prosecutions and higher conviction
rates. I read into the bottom of the | 1:11:34 | 1:11:41 | |
judgment will have to consider how
we balance resources against the | 1:11:41 | 1:11:45 | |
need to effectively investigate
certain crimes. Interesting. Thank | 1:11:45 | 1:11:48 | |
you very much will coming onto the
programme. | 1:11:48 | 1:11:57 | |
250 people have been killed in
Damascus in three days through | 1:11:57 | 1:12:01 | |
intense bombing. The area is eastern
Ghouta. It has been held by rebels. | 1:12:01 | 1:12:10 | |
It has been under siege for the last
five years. In 2013 its people were | 1:12:10 | 1:12:14 | |
subject to a chemical attack, which
the United Nations said constituted | 1:12:14 | 1:12:18 | |
a war crime. Hundreds were killed
and many more left seriously | 1:12:18 | 1:12:23 | |
injured. Now the relentless bombing
has been described as beyond | 1:12:23 | 1:12:28 | |
imagination with the UN calling on
world leaders to demand the Syrian | 1:12:28 | 1:12:32 | |
government immediately stops the
bombing. The UN has also issued a | 1:12:32 | 1:12:40 | |
blank statement, mostly blank,
hardly any words on it, because they | 1:12:40 | 1:12:45 | |
say there are no words to talk about
what is happening in eastern Ghouta. | 1:12:45 | 1:12:50 | |
Syria itself has been in civil war
for a total of seven years with no | 1:12:50 | 1:12:54 | |
sign of ending. These eastern Ghouta
residents describe life there. The | 1:12:54 | 1:13:07 | |
missiles and the mortars are
dropping on ours like rain. There is | 1:13:07 | 1:13:12 | |
nowhere to hide from this nightmare
in eastern Ghouta. -- on us. | 1:13:12 | 1:13:31 | |
Those injured, taken to the
underground hospitals are taken now | 1:14:27 | 1:14:33 | |
by doctors. | 1:14:33 | 1:14:39 | |
Joining us now via phone
is Dr Bassam Bakri who is a doctor | 1:14:39 | 1:14:42 | |
working in Eastern Ghouta. | 1:14:42 | 1:14:46 | |
How do you help people's injured in
the conditions we have been talking | 1:14:46 | 1:14:49 | |
about? Hello everyone. You cannot
measure the situation in eastern | 1:14:49 | 1:14:56 | |
Ghouta now. Many of the injured
people, civilian people, we can't | 1:14:56 | 1:15:02 | |
treat all of them. Maybe you can
hear the voice of the air strike | 1:15:02 | 1:15:15 | |
now. The patients and injured people
on the waiting list are more than | 1:15:15 | 1:15:22 | |
that injured. We can deal with them.
I am going to interrupt you. So, I | 1:15:22 | 1:15:30 | |
can hear the occasional third. Is
that the sound of bombs falling? | 1:15:30 | 1:15:35 | |
Yes, yes. -- thud. Every minute we
have three or four air strikes. This | 1:15:35 | 1:15:47 | |
is the situation. It is catastrophic
in eastern Ghouta. You cannot | 1:15:47 | 1:15:55 | |
imagine that. How long have you been
enduring this? It is about today, | 1:15:55 | 1:16:08 | |
maybe today, we're in the three
months in this attack. We have more | 1:16:08 | 1:16:13 | |
than maybe 2000 killed people, more
than ten times this number about | 1:16:13 | 1:16:26 | |
killed people is injured people. | 1:16:26 | 1:16:42 | |
You know we are under siege by Assad
regime more than five years, no | 1:16:42 | 1:16:45 | |
medicine... Sorry to interrupt
again, you have no medicine, do you | 1:16:45 | 1:16:49 | |
have food? No. Do you have water?
No, no, we don't have. We have no | 1:16:49 | 1:16:57 | |
medicine, not enough medicine, no
anaesthetic medicine, no child | 1:16:57 | 1:17:06 | |
medicine, a be no milk for the
children. No morphine, no dialysis | 1:17:06 | 1:17:10 | |
applies. -- maybe no milk. You know
we are under besiegement. Most of | 1:17:10 | 1:17:23 | |
these items, we have a shortage on
this medicine, and maybe some of | 1:17:23 | 1:17:30 | |
it... You know that your president
says that this area is being | 1:17:30 | 1:17:39 | |
targeted, because rebels are
embedded amongst civilians, that | 1:17:39 | 1:17:42 | |
they are deliberately living amongst
the residents of Eastern Ghouta - | 1:17:42 | 1:17:53 | |
what do you say to your president?
You mean my president is a Cheryl | 1:17:53 | 1:17:59 | |
Assad? Yes. No, Bashar al-Assad is a
criminal, it is not our president. | 1:17:59 | 1:18:12 | |
The Syrian people want to withdraw
or overthrow this regime. It is not | 1:18:12 | 1:18:19 | |
our president. It is a criminal. He
killed people, he destroy | 1:18:19 | 1:18:28 | |
everything, he destroyed people,
destroyed our schools, destroyed our | 1:18:28 | 1:18:33 | |
hospitals. It's not from this
country, I think it's not... It's | 1:18:33 | 1:18:39 | |
not our president, of course. So, we
don't... We don't want this criminal | 1:18:39 | 1:18:47 | |
president. He is a survivor, though,
what can you do about him? You know, | 1:18:47 | 1:19:01 | |
in this day, we are just dealing
with emergency to make this innocent | 1:19:01 | 1:19:13 | |
children and people and women stay
alive, just surviving... So, another | 1:19:13 | 1:19:21 | |
patient just we can take them on
waiting list. That's what we can do | 1:19:21 | 1:19:26 | |
now have. We don't have enough
medicine. For British people who are | 1:19:26 | 1:19:35 | |
watching you now, most of them will
have absolutely no idea how you | 1:19:35 | 1:19:39 | |
manage to live, to survive, for
seven years now, this war has been | 1:19:39 | 1:19:45 | |
going on - tell us about the
pressures on you as you try to stay | 1:19:45 | 1:19:50 | |
alive? Yes, I want to stay alive, I
am people, I am human being, I have | 1:19:50 | 1:19:59 | |
a hard, I am scared. But I have to
stay here and help my people. We | 1:19:59 | 1:20:07 | |
have to build our future, build our
country, so we need your solidarity, | 1:20:07 | 1:20:14 | |
we need people, free people in the
world, to be solidarity with us, to | 1:20:14 | 1:20:20 | |
know that we are struggle to have
our freedom, our democracy. We have | 1:20:20 | 1:20:28 | |
to stay here and help our people.
So, we need to stay in our towns, | 1:20:28 | 1:20:37 | |
and here, my childhood hero, why
history here, my schools... I have | 1:20:37 | 1:20:45 | |
rights, hike everyone in this world
have rights. -- my childhood here. | 1:20:45 | 1:20:56 | |
So, we are killed, friends of Syrian
people maybe leave us to be killed | 1:20:56 | 1:21:03 | |
people but I don't know where is
friends of Syria people. That is a | 1:21:03 | 1:21:08 | |
very good question, what do you say,
about the fact that the | 1:21:08 | 1:21:15 | |
international community has done
little or nothing to help people | 1:21:15 | 1:21:19 | |
like yourself? Yes, the
international community just | 1:21:19 | 1:21:21 | |
watching, just watching our children
killed. Why? Why are you just | 1:21:21 | 1:21:25 | |
watching, where are you? We are poor
people. We are people need your | 1:21:25 | 1:21:32 | |
solidarity. Just leave your
interests one-time, one-time leave | 1:21:32 | 1:21:39 | |
your interests and deal with this
catastrophe. We are going by talk | 1:21:39 | 1:21:44 | |
towards famine. People maybe just
have a meal maybe in one-day. | 1:21:44 | 1:21:54 | |
Believe me, children have a meal in
one-day. And adults away in two days | 1:21:54 | 1:22:03 | |
have a meal. -- and adults maybe in
two days have a meal. I have only | 1:22:03 | 1:22:12 | |
breakfast in a day. We don't have
enough food. We don't have enough | 1:22:12 | 1:22:17 | |
food for people in shelters. People
in shelters in a bad way, bad | 1:22:17 | 1:22:20 | |
situation. Thank you, we are
grateful for your time, we | 1:22:20 | 1:22:25 | |
appreciate you talking to us. A
doctor there, trapped on the | 1:22:25 | 1:22:36 | |
outskirts of Damascus in Eastern
Ghouta. This is a statement I wanted | 1:22:36 | 1:22:39 | |
to show you from Unicef, the aid
agency which is there to care for | 1:22:39 | 1:22:43 | |
children. It is mostly What have
they have written on the top is, no | 1:22:43 | 1:22:48 | |
words will do justice to the
children killed, their mothers | 1:22:48 | 1:22:51 | |
Huddlestone so far, their loved
ones. In the last few days 250 | 1:22:51 | 1:22:56 | |
people have been killed in Eastern
Ghouta in Syria, and dozens of those | 1:22:56 | 1:23:01 | |
are children. | 1:23:01 | 1:23:04 | |
Here... | 1:23:07 | 1:23:10 | |
Women who've had their ovaries
or wombs removed to treat | 1:23:10 | 1:23:13 | |
endometriosis have been telling this
programme they are not receiving | 1:23:13 | 1:23:16 | |
appropriate aftercare. | 1:23:16 | 1:23:17 | |
Endometriosis is a condition
where the layer of tissue | 1:23:17 | 1:23:19 | |
that normally covers
the inside of the uterus | 1:23:19 | 1:23:21 | |
grows outside of it -
leaving women in debilitating pain. | 1:23:21 | 1:23:24 | |
The NHS won't freeze the eggs
of all women who have a hysterectomy | 1:23:24 | 1:23:27 | |
to treat the condition,
but does offer this to cancer | 1:23:27 | 1:23:32 | |
patients who have to undergo
the same operation. | 1:23:32 | 1:23:39 | |
It's left people with the condition
asking why they have less of a right | 1:23:39 | 1:23:43 | |
to children and to proper aftercare. | 1:23:43 | 1:23:44 | |
Last week actor Lena Dunham revealed
that she'd had a hysterectomy | 1:23:44 | 1:23:47 | |
to treat her endometriosis -
the pain of which she | 1:23:47 | 1:23:49 | |
said was unbearable. | 1:23:49 | 1:23:50 | |
176 million women
worldwide live with it. | 1:23:50 | 1:23:55 | |
Let's talk now to Clair Scrimshaw,
who had a hysterectomy but was not | 1:23:55 | 1:24:05 | |
offered the chance to have her eggs
frozen. Salina Akhtar has not had to | 1:24:05 | 1:24:16 | |
have a hysterectomy but sees
problems in the kind of care offered | 1:24:16 | 1:24:20 | |
to women. And Emma Cox is the CEO of
the charity Endometriosis UK. She | 1:24:20 | 1:24:28 | |
says there is a huge inequality in
care across the NHS. Welcome all of | 1:24:28 | 1:24:32 | |
you. Can you describe what it is and
how it affected you and from what | 1:24:32 | 1:24:40 | |
age? For me, endometriosis was
something I had never heard of until | 1:24:40 | 1:24:45 | |
I got diagnosed. My problems started
at 13 when I started my period to. I | 1:24:45 | 1:24:51 | |
would have extremely heavy bleeding,
extreme pain, so going up the stairs | 1:24:51 | 1:24:55 | |
for instance I would collapse
sometimes. Going to the toilet, just | 1:24:55 | 1:24:59 | |
normal, everyday things you take for
granted, I was in so much pain that | 1:24:59 | 1:25:02 | |
it was just ridiculous, I was taking
time off school. That followed | 1:25:02 | 1:25:07 | |
through into college and university
and work. However, it took me 11 | 1:25:07 | 1:25:14 | |
years to get diagnosed. Age to 24 by
then? Yes, I was. And by that point, | 1:25:14 | 1:25:19 | |
I mean, I was just so poorly with
it, and at that point, when I was | 1:25:19 | 1:25:24 | |
diagnosed, actually, firmly enough,
they told me I had endometriosis, | 1:25:24 | 1:25:29 | |
they said, we're going to give you a
course of injections for six months. | 1:25:29 | 1:25:34 | |
Off you go. They never explained
what it was. In my mind I thought it | 1:25:34 | 1:25:40 | |
was something similar to a cold,
something I could get rid of in | 1:25:40 | 1:25:44 | |
terms of having these injections.
So, nobody talked about potentially | 1:25:44 | 1:25:48 | |
a hysterectomy or it affecting your
fertility? No, nothing. As far as I | 1:25:48 | 1:25:52 | |
was concerned, it was just those six
injections. But in the end it was a | 1:25:52 | 1:25:59 | |
number of operations culminating in
a hysterectomy? Yes. I had a total | 1:25:59 | 1:26:02 | |
of four surgeries for the
endometriosis, and breach was using | 1:26:02 | 1:26:05 | |
a kind of laser for the
endometriosis and the other two were | 1:26:05 | 1:26:10 | |
excision which is a deeper tissue
which they kind of cutaway. Which is | 1:26:10 | 1:26:15 | |
now the most standard treatment
because it actually gets further | 1:26:15 | 1:26:17 | |
down rather than just the
superficial endometriosis. But then | 1:26:17 | 1:26:22 | |
after that, I had another operation,
tubes removed, that was in October | 1:26:22 | 1:26:29 | |
20 16th and that did not work for me
and finally, July 2017, my 34th | 1:26:29 | 1:26:35 | |
birthday pretty much, I had a
hysterectomy. And you asked about | 1:26:35 | 1:26:40 | |
harvesting expert or freezing eggs?
I did, there was a window of about a | 1:26:40 | 1:26:43 | |
month or so between me speaking to a
consultant at at you having a | 1:26:43 | 1:26:48 | |
hysterectomy, where they said, if
you want children it will cost you | 1:26:48 | 1:26:53 | |
£3500 to freeze your eggs. And I had
one week to make the decision. So, | 1:26:53 | 1:26:57 | |
for me... Why were they charging
you? Because at the time it was only | 1:26:57 | 1:27:02 | |
specifically cancer patient I think
who can get a free... I get a free | 1:27:02 | 1:27:09 | |
cycle of IVF for endometriosis but I
can't freeze my eggs for free. | 1:27:09 | 1:27:14 | |
Understood. And so... How do you
respond to that? At the time, it was | 1:27:14 | 1:27:24 | |
quite stressful for me because I had
been on morphine for years by that | 1:27:24 | 1:27:29 | |
point. I take morphine every day and
codeine and seven other extreme | 1:27:29 | 1:27:34 | |
painkillers. It has been difficult
to work, so I have worked when I can | 1:27:34 | 1:27:39 | |
and had two operations and come away
from working. So, obviously, | 1:27:39 | 1:27:42 | |
financially, you're not particularly
stable. Did you have £3500 to pay | 1:27:42 | 1:27:48 | |
for the harvesting and freezing of
eggs? No, I didn't. At the time, it | 1:27:48 | 1:27:55 | |
is more your primary kind of focus
is to get rid of the pain. So, | 1:27:55 | 1:27:59 | |
mentally I was not in the right
state of mind I don't think to even | 1:27:59 | 1:28:03 | |
consider the impact of not freezing
eggs. Because since I have had my | 1:28:03 | 1:28:08 | |
hysterectomy unfortunately my two
sisters have children and I do now | 1:28:08 | 1:28:12 | |
feel like I would like perhaps the
opportunity to have that experience. | 1:28:12 | 1:28:17 | |
But I don't... Salina Akhtar, this
is why I think you want to make a | 1:28:17 | 1:28:26 | |
point about the inequality when it
comes to certain treatments, certain | 1:28:26 | 1:28:29 | |
conditions? Yep. I probably went
through a similar experience. After | 1:28:29 | 1:28:34 | |
my first surgery I thought I was
cured, I did not know it was a | 1:28:34 | 1:28:38 | |
lifelong issue. And I think I did
not even realise what was happening | 1:28:38 | 1:28:40 | |
until I started to feel unwell again
about two or three years later, and | 1:28:40 | 1:28:44 | |
I had to go back to my doctor, a
different GP because I had moved, | 1:28:44 | 1:28:49 | |
fight again to get to a
gynaecologist to get diagnosed | 1:28:49 | 1:28:53 | |
almost from scratch even though they
had my surgery on file. And at no | 1:28:53 | 1:28:56 | |
point along the way had I really
been told how it would affect my | 1:28:56 | 1:28:59 | |
fertility. And how has it? I can't
have children, basically. Initially, | 1:28:59 | 1:29:06 | |
probably I had a bit of a nervous
breakdown, I will be honest. But I | 1:29:06 | 1:29:11 | |
am resolved to that now. But had I
been told at 25 when I first got | 1:29:11 | 1:29:15 | |
diagnosed that if you let this
condition progressed it can have | 1:29:15 | 1:29:18 | |
that effect, maybe at that age I
would have made a decision to have | 1:29:18 | 1:29:23 | |
babies earlier in life or whatever.
But when I was 30 I had another | 1:29:23 | 1:29:26 | |
surgery and then, I had to go... I
was with a partner at the time and | 1:29:26 | 1:29:32 | |
we went to have IVF and we found
that I could not have it on the NHS | 1:29:32 | 1:29:36 | |
because I was not old enough running
having the condition. So, we went | 1:29:36 | 1:29:39 | |
private. Only through doing that did
I find out that my body had gone | 1:29:39 | 1:29:44 | |
into premature menopause. So I
basically could not have children | 1:29:44 | 1:29:47 | |
without an egg donor anyway. But had
I known at 25 that there was a | 1:29:47 | 1:29:51 | |
possibility of any of this
happening, you think, actually, | 1:29:51 | 1:30:00 | |
maybe I would have had kids at 25,
you don't know. You might have made | 1:30:00 | 1:30:03 | |
different decisions had you had the | 1:30:03 | 1:30:06 | |
full information. Yeah. Carol, how
many gynaecologists did it take | 1:30:06 | 1:30:07 | |
before...? Sorry, it sounds like the
start of a bad joke. Before you were | 1:30:07 | 1:30:12 | |
diagnosed? My first gynaecologist
told me that my problems were due to | 1:30:12 | 1:30:15 | |
with stress and moving house. I
waited a year and saw another one, | 1:30:15 | 1:30:19 | |
finally operated and diagnosed
endometriosis and told me she had | 1:30:19 | 1:30:23 | |
fixed it. Which... I had never heard
of it before, either. When someone | 1:30:23 | 1:30:28 | |
tells you that they have fixed it,
you think they have. But my pain was | 1:30:28 | 1:30:32 | |
so much worse, and then I saw a
third gynaecologist and he found | 1:30:32 | 1:30:35 | |
endometriosis in my bowel and
bladder. Which, OK, it might be a | 1:30:35 | 1:30:40 | |
bit less common, but that is how it
was affecting me, I had | 1:30:40 | 1:30:45 | |
constipation, diarrhoea, I was
having pain all month not just with | 1:30:45 | 1:30:48 | |
my period. Painful intercourse
throughout my 20s, which was really | 1:30:48 | 1:30:53 | |
difficult to come to terms with. So
it really affected me very badly by | 1:30:53 | 1:30:56 | |
that point. | 1:30:56 | 1:31:01 | |
In terms of the practicalities of
your life now? What does it mean? It | 1:31:01 | 1:31:09 | |
is really complicated, difficult
condition. I wish I had been | 1:31:09 | 1:31:12 | |
diagnosed earlier. I was 31 when I
was diagnosed. I have had the lower | 1:31:12 | 1:31:18 | |
part of my bowel removed and eight
bladder operations. I live with half | 1:31:18 | 1:31:22 | |
blood and out. I have had
endometriosis between my kidney and | 1:31:22 | 1:31:29 | |
bladder. I lived with a condition
called lymphoedema so my leg is | 1:31:29 | 1:31:34 | |
permanently swollen. In terms of
where I am now, I am 45 and probably | 1:31:34 | 1:31:38 | |
in better health than I have been
for a long time but I chose to have | 1:31:38 | 1:31:41 | |
a hysterectomy. I have a condition
which can occur alongside | 1:31:41 | 1:31:50 | |
endometriosis where cells actually
grow in the wall of the win. It is | 1:31:50 | 1:31:54 | |
really difficult because a
hysterectomy does not cure and | 1:31:54 | 1:32:01 | |
Demetrius is but for this other
condition it can make a really big | 1:32:01 | 1:32:06 | |
difference to our lives. --
endometriosis. We have heard here | 1:32:06 | 1:32:12 | |
where people have conditions where
they have to self catheterised. They | 1:32:12 | 1:32:18 | |
have had no follow-up. I know Selena
was being seen by two different | 1:32:18 | 1:32:25 | |
gynaecologist for two differing
conditions saying, ignore what the | 1:32:25 | 1:32:28 | |
other one is saying want you to take
these drugs. I am paraphrasing. I | 1:32:28 | 1:32:33 | |
think Claire, her first operation
was to have her ovaries removed and | 1:32:33 | 1:32:39 | |
a hysterectomy came a few months
later. She was told she could not | 1:32:39 | 1:32:48 | |
harvest eggs and in the NHS because
it is only endometriosis. If you are | 1:32:48 | 1:32:53 | |
having an operation if, whatever
reason you are having, it should not | 1:32:53 | 1:32:57 | |
matter the cause. There should be
pathways. With lymphoedema, if you | 1:32:57 | 1:33:06 | |
had the same operations as Carroll
quickly would be seen by a whole | 1:33:06 | 1:33:08 | |
range of consultants. We were
talking earlier with Claire Caligula | 1:33:08 | 1:33:13 | |
discharged straight on two hours and
you have had no follow-up. Only | 1:33:13 | 1:33:18 | |
found out that the months later you
should have been referred to the | 1:33:18 | 1:33:21 | |
menopause clinic and had HRT
therapy. I think there is an | 1:33:21 | 1:33:28 | |
inequality we need to make a
difference for these women. A couple | 1:33:28 | 1:33:31 | |
of messages. Lindsay saying, I have
stayed four endometriosis. How many | 1:33:31 | 1:33:39 | |
stages are their quest to do know
there were stages at all. There are | 1:33:39 | 1:33:44 | |
two different ways of classifying
it. There are stages one to four. It | 1:33:44 | 1:33:48 | |
depends on where and how deep it is.
OK, thank you. I had many | 1:33:48 | 1:33:59 | |
misdiagnoses between the ages of ten
and 28 and it has completely ruined | 1:33:59 | 1:34:04 | |
my life. I lost my job of eight
years and have had to take morphine | 1:34:04 | 1:34:10 | |
every day during the four years. It
is a horrific illness which takes | 1:34:10 | 1:34:13 | |
far too long to diagnose and doctors
do not seem to know too much about | 1:34:13 | 1:34:17 | |
it or believe us when they say how
much pain they are in. There is no | 1:34:17 | 1:34:22 | |
cure. Thank you for bringing this
issue onto your programme. Jean | 1:34:22 | 1:34:33 | |
said, I had endometrial softer
suffering a really bad pain which | 1:34:33 | 1:34:35 | |
included painful sex and bad
bleeding. On occasions this | 1:34:35 | 1:34:37 | |
prevented me from going to work. I
visited my GP many times and decided | 1:34:37 | 1:34:42 | |
I had my appendix removed, which
happened. It was not until I had an | 1:34:42 | 1:34:47 | |
early hysterectomy that
endometriosis was diagnosed. Thank | 1:34:47 | 1:34:53 | |
you very much. Thank you for
talking. I really appreciate it. | 1:34:53 | 1:34:58 | |
Hopefully it will make a difference. | 1:34:58 | 1:35:04 | |
Still to come. | 1:35:04 | 1:35:10 | |
We will hear a story about an honour
killing. We will also discuss | 1:35:10 | 1:35:18 | |
homeless people being trapped into
modern day slavery and find out what | 1:35:18 | 1:35:21 | |
we can do to stop it. | 1:35:21 | 1:35:23 | |
Time for the latest news. | 1:35:23 | 1:35:29 | |
The Metropolitan Police has lost its
Supreme Court challenge over the | 1:35:29 | 1:35:39 | |
victims of John Worboys. The women
say the treatment by police calls | 1:35:39 | 1:35:44 | |
the mental harm. The Supreme Court
unanimously dismissed the appeal | 1:35:44 | 1:35:47 | |
from the police. The women are also
separately pursuing a judicial | 1:35:47 | 1:35:54 | |
review of the parole board decision
to release John Worboys. The United | 1:35:54 | 1:36:00 | |
Nations has urged world leaders to
push for an end to the bombardment | 1:36:00 | 1:36:04 | |
of eastern Ghouta. The UN said
400,000 people were living in | 1:36:04 | 1:36:15 | |
unimaginable conditions. UK
unemployment has increased slightly | 1:36:15 | 1:36:18 | |
for the first time in two nears. The
number of unemployed people rose by | 1:36:18 | 1:36:24 | |
36,000 to 1.47 million for the final
quarter of Austria, compared to the | 1:36:24 | 1:36:28 | |
previous three months. Despite the
fighting crease in the rate of | 1:36:28 | 1:36:32 | |
unemployment, the total number of
people in work rose by 80 8000. -- | 1:36:32 | 1:36:37 | |
the increasing rate. Dua Lipa is
leading the way to the highest | 1:36:37 | 1:36:50 | |
number of nominations are given to a
female artist. She had a number one, | 1:36:50 | 1:36:55 | |
the 21-year-old, and is heading to
21,000 sales with her debut album. | 1:36:55 | 1:37:03 | |
That is a summary of the BBC News.
More messages from you regarding | 1:37:03 | 1:37:08 | |
Fiona, the woman respect with
beginning of the programme, one of | 1:37:08 | 1:37:10 | |
two woman taking a case to the
Supreme Court against the metabolic | 1:37:10 | 1:37:13 | |
and police. The two women one. They
argued their case. -- the | 1:37:13 | 1:37:23 | |
Metropolitan Police. This just
coming in. | 1:37:23 | 1:37:30 | |
The person who attacked me had done
it several times but nothing has | 1:37:37 | 1:37:40 | |
ever been brought against them. I
feel betrayed by the justice system. | 1:37:40 | 1:37:47 | |
This text... Listening to Fiona, I
totally feel her pain in having the | 1:37:47 | 1:37:50 | |
shock of seeing John Worboys in
court. As a victim of sexual assault | 1:37:50 | 1:37:56 | |
14 years ago and where I did not go
to the police I saw the person in a | 1:37:56 | 1:38:03 | |
supermarket out of the blue.
Mercedes said, and goodness the | 1:38:03 | 1:38:07 | |
Supreme Court has made the right
decision. As a former police officer | 1:38:07 | 1:38:10 | |
I am ashamed of the way this case
was handled by the Met. Fiona, | 1:38:10 | 1:38:17 | |
outside the Supreme Court, known in
court as DST, said, on reacting to | 1:38:17 | 1:38:22 | |
the judgment, it has been an
emotional day, 15 years. Referring | 1:38:22 | 1:38:27 | |
to the police can she added, had you
done your job properly, there would | 1:38:27 | 1:38:32 | |
not have been 105 victims were there
would have been won. I could have | 1:38:32 | 1:38:37 | |
taken the one but not the 105. | 1:38:37 | 1:38:45 | |
We are going to introduce you to
this robot. We will show you how he | 1:38:45 | 1:38:51 | |
mimics the facial expressions of
people like me in order to help | 1:38:51 | 1:38:57 | |
teach autistic children how to learn
emotion. Absolutely fascinating. I | 1:38:57 | 1:39:02 | |
was going to say we will talk to him
before 11. We're not going to do | 1:39:02 | 1:39:08 | |
that but we are going to talk about
it before 11. Now the sport. | 1:39:08 | 1:39:19 | |
Another busy day at the Winter
Olympics. | 1:39:19 | 1:39:26 | |
Team GB's Women's curling team has
reach the semi finals. | 1:39:26 | 1:39:33 | |
They came through a very
difficult matchup | 1:39:33 | 1:39:35 | |
against the defending champions
Canada, snatching the win with two | 1:39:35 | 1:39:37 | |
points on the final end. | 1:39:37 | 1:39:39 | |
The 6-5 win for Team GB also means
the Canadians are knocked out - | 1:39:39 | 1:39:42 | |
failing to reach the semi-finals
for the first time. | 1:39:42 | 1:39:44 | |
Things were very very
different for Team GB's men - | 1:39:44 | 1:39:46 | |
as the United States scored 4 points
in the eighth end to hand Britain | 1:39:46 | 1:39:50 | |
a crushing 10-4 defeat. | 1:39:50 | 1:39:51 | |
That means GB have a Play-off
on the way against Switzerland, | 1:39:51 | 1:39:53 | |
From the ice to the snow -
Billy Morgan is into the final | 1:39:53 | 1:39:57 | |
of the inaugural Big Air competition
- scoring 90.5 on his second run. | 1:39:57 | 1:40:03 | |
Lionel Messi's late strike denied
Chelsea going into the next round | 1:40:03 | 1:40:10 | |
against Barcelona. More sport after
11 o'clock. | 1:40:10 | 1:40:18 | |
Drones turned into missiles. Fake
videos manipulating public opinion | 1:40:18 | 1:40:22 | |
and automated hacking. The malicious
use of artificial intelligence | 1:40:22 | 1:40:31 | |
report is warning that AI is ripe
for exploitation by rogue states and | 1:40:31 | 1:40:36 | |
terrorists. More is needed to be
done to mitigate possible misuses of | 1:40:36 | 1:40:44 | |
technology. Let's talk about the
risks and the positives. One | 1:40:44 | 1:40:48 | |
researcher behind | 1:40:48 | 1:40:56 | |
today's port is a doctor who is
here. Sarah Ben at is also here. On | 1:40:56 | 1:41:02 | |
our table is the robot. We have a
doctor from UCL's Institute of | 1:41:02 | 1:41:11 | |
education. You study risk for a
living. What are the long-term risks | 1:41:11 | 1:41:22 | |
imposed by gases proposed by AI? --
proposed by AI? We could go as far | 1:41:22 | 1:41:33 | |
as human extinction. That sounds
apocalyptic. No human beings left. | 1:41:33 | 1:41:46 | |
There have been various
conversations about long-term with | 1:41:46 | 1:41:49 | |
artificial intelligence and machines
which can perform better than humans | 1:41:49 | 1:41:55 | |
and the risks that they might pose
this is not what this report is | 1:41:55 | 1:41:59 | |
about what it looks at the that we
have now in the next five years and | 1:41:59 | 1:42:06 | |
how they might be misused by hackers
with malicious intent to cause harm. | 1:42:06 | 1:42:13 | |
That is something I have mentioned
in the introduction. I am fascinated | 1:42:13 | 1:42:17 | |
about how we go from that to human
extinction. So... I must say I | 1:42:17 | 1:42:26 | |
haven't prepared that this is
something I do talk about quite a | 1:42:26 | 1:42:29 | |
lot. Do me to come back to you. In
principle, we are making machines | 1:42:29 | 1:42:37 | |
that can think. It is proving
extremely difficult. Five years ago | 1:42:37 | 1:42:41 | |
you could not have a computer that
tells apart a cat from a dog. The | 1:42:41 | 1:42:45 | |
fact we can do so now brings about
risks in the near Temple submitted | 1:42:45 | 1:42:50 | |
how long will take until we have
computers he can do everything that | 1:42:50 | 1:42:53 | |
humans can do. -- in the near-term
but we do not know how long it will | 1:42:53 | 1:43:00 | |
take. If you can do everything a
human can do, you can do much more | 1:43:00 | 1:43:07 | |
than a human can do. If we make such
systems were not shown we are in | 1:43:07 | 1:43:10 | |
control of the more that they want
what we want, we might end up in a | 1:43:10 | 1:43:16 | |
world where are the kind of world we
have wanted to create is not one we | 1:43:16 | 1:43:20 | |
want to inhabit and we will not be
in a position to stay there. They | 1:43:20 | 1:43:24 | |
would kill us all? Create an
environment in which we could not | 1:43:24 | 1:43:29 | |
stay. How worried are you? To be
honest, not as worried as perhaps | 1:43:29 | 1:43:35 | |
the initial discussion might
suggest. We certainly nowhere near | 1:43:35 | 1:43:39 | |
having machines that can in any way
think for themselves, we don't have | 1:43:39 | 1:43:42 | |
sent a unique beings. One thing
technology struggles with is past | 1:43:42 | 1:43:51 | |
transfer. They are based on data we
are feeding them. We are very much | 1:43:51 | 1:43:55 | |
in control of this technology and it
is not something we see making its | 1:43:55 | 1:44:01 | |
completely its own decisions. Not
yet. Not yet. For now, I feeling | 1:44:01 | 1:44:06 | |
fairly calm about it and in control.
You advise companies on robotics and | 1:44:06 | 1:44:13 | |
AI. Can you give us some real-life
examples? Certainly do if I can just | 1:44:13 | 1:44:22 | |
respond. What we should not ignore
is the fact that our protection | 1:44:22 | 1:44:28 | |
systems, we also become cleverer.
The same technology, artificial | 1:44:28 | 1:44:33 | |
intelligence, that creates the
potential for all the harm | 1:44:33 | 1:44:35 | |
highlighted by the report will also
enable us to have better protection | 1:44:35 | 1:44:39 | |
systems. I just wanted to make sure
and provide a balanced view... There | 1:44:39 | 1:44:47 | |
are people working on developing
protection systems right now. Let me | 1:44:47 | 1:44:51 | |
give you an example. 10/20 years
ago, we did not have a virus | 1:44:51 | 1:44:56 | |
checkers. As viruses became
unleashed on world companies propped | 1:44:56 | 1:45:03 | |
up -- popped up to develop virus
checkers and protection for computer | 1:45:03 | 1:45:08 | |
systems. Cyber security will get a
lot more enhanced because of | 1:45:08 | 1:45:13 | |
artificial intelligence. To tell you
about examples of where AI is being | 1:45:13 | 1:45:17 | |
used effectively it is being used by
businesses do is being used by | 1:45:17 | 1:45:20 | |
businesses to speed up business
processes. For example, you might | 1:45:20 | 1:45:23 | |
hear of a train company here in the
UK that is handling its customer | 1:45:23 | 1:45:28 | |
complaints, using AI for that, and
they are getting refunds for | 1:45:28 | 1:45:34 | |
customers processed much more
quickly. Is it like an enhanced | 1:45:34 | 1:45:38 | |
computer? It literally mimics human
processes where you need to make the | 1:45:38 | 1:45:46 | |
judgment. It mimics that. Documents
coming the claims come in. It looks | 1:45:46 | 1:45:51 | |
for the important points. It being
what? AI. What does it look like? A | 1:45:51 | 1:45:59 | |
piece of software. She says
disappointedly. Back enough. We also | 1:45:59 | 1:46:12 | |
wanted to talk about some of the
incredible things which robots are | 1:46:12 | 1:46:17 | |
getting involved in, and AI. Dr
Alyssa Alcorn, how are we using this | 1:46:17 | 1:46:25 | |
robot? I am part of a project which
is looking at using this robot as a | 1:46:25 | 1:46:30 | |
teaching tool for young children on
the autism spectrum to learn about | 1:46:30 | 1:46:33 | |
emotions. So, we're going to show
how it works. Let's hope this works. | 1:46:33 | 1:46:40 | |
Never work with children, animals or
robots! So, Zeno is going to mimic | 1:46:40 | 1:46:47 | |
the expressions on my face, and I'm
told they have to be rather a judge | 1:46:47 | 1:46:50 | |
rated. So, as Victoria is making an
expression, the camera here... That | 1:46:50 | 1:46:56 | |
is my shocked face! I am very
convinced! So, the camera here is | 1:46:56 | 1:47:03 | |
tracking 49 facial landmarks on your
face and effectively using them like | 1:47:03 | 1:47:07 | |
instructions, telling the motors in
the robots face what to do. Is he | 1:47:07 | 1:47:13 | |
copying the? He is turning his head
as you turn your head - try and | 1:47:13 | 1:47:17 | |
angry face. I am never angry, this
will be very hard! He's doing his | 1:47:17 | 1:47:26 | |
best there. Maybe you just don't
look angry enough! Life is good at | 1:47:26 | 1:47:29 | |
the moment! So, really, really
happy... He looks pretty happy, too, | 1:47:29 | 1:47:40 | |
there. So, we're interested in using
this very early on in teaching | 1:47:40 | 1:47:44 | |
children on the autism spectrum
about emotions, because they might | 1:47:44 | 1:47:49 | |
not pay attention to faces. So, with
all of those expressions, not that | 1:47:49 | 1:47:54 | |
interesting, but seeing a robot
would have an impact on a child on | 1:47:54 | 1:47:58 | |
the autistic spectrum? Simply
meeting the robot will probably not | 1:47:58 | 1:48:01 | |
have an impact, we're talking about
a teaching programme over a longer | 1:48:01 | 1:48:05 | |
period. But it is thought that
children on the spectrum might be | 1:48:05 | 1:48:09 | |
more comfortable interacting with a
robot, because it is a simpler than | 1:48:09 | 1:48:12 | |
a person. We can programme the robot
to only give a limited range of | 1:48:12 | 1:48:17 | |
social cues at one time, and to make
him be able to repeat those in | 1:48:17 | 1:48:21 | |
exactly the same way over and over.
People are a lot less consistent, | 1:48:21 | 1:48:25 | |
they can be much more confusing. So
it is thought that that might lower | 1:48:25 | 1:48:32 | |
the demand of the interruption on
the child, so they can maybe get | 1:48:32 | 1:48:35 | |
more out of the learning experience
- that's one of the things we want | 1:48:35 | 1:48:38 | |
to test in this project, is if that
seems to be true. Thank you very | 1:48:38 | 1:48:41 | |
much. Really interesting. And thank
you to Zeno. I cannot believe I am | 1:48:41 | 1:48:47 | |
thanking a robot, but this is what
the world is going to be about! | 1:48:47 | 1:48:51 | |
Thank you all of you are coming on
the programme. At 11 o'clock we're | 1:48:51 | 1:48:54 | |
going to bring you more reaction to
the Supreme Court ruling handed down | 1:48:54 | 1:48:57 | |
today in the case of two women who
were arguing that the Met Police | 1:48:57 | 1:49:02 | |
failed to investigate their claims
that they were raped by the black | 1:49:02 | 1:49:06 | |
cab driver John Worboys. The cases
weren't thoroughly investigated, | 1:49:06 | 1:49:11 | |
that's what they were arguing. They
have won is mourning. And the | 1:49:11 | 1:49:15 | |
Metropolitan Police have lost just
more reaction to that after 11. -- | 1:49:15 | 1:49:18 | |
they have won this morning. | 1:49:18 | 1:49:25 | |
In July 2016, Samia Shahid was raped
and murdered during a visit | 1:49:25 | 1:49:28 | |
to see family in Pakistan. | 1:49:28 | 1:49:31 | |
The 28-year-old from Bradford had
been living in Dubai with her second | 1:49:31 | 1:49:33 | |
husband after her first arranged
marriage to her cousin broke down. | 1:49:33 | 1:49:36 | |
Her decision to divorce and re-marry
for love caused a huge | 1:49:36 | 1:49:39 | |
rift with her family. | 1:49:39 | 1:49:43 | |
As this actor, speaking the words of
four I's best friend in the UK, | 1:49:43 | 1:49:50 | |
explains. From her parents' point of
view they were doing the right thing | 1:49:50 | 1:49:53 | |
by her. My mum and dad are Pakistani
but I'm not. I'm from the UK. How | 1:49:53 | 1:50:02 | |
could I change all of a sudden? How
can I be the villager from back | 1:50:02 | 1:50:08 | |
home? He knew she didn't want to
marry him so why couldn't he have | 1:50:08 | 1:50:15 | |
been the bigger person and say, you
know what, she doesn't want to spend | 1:50:15 | 1:50:19 | |
the rest of her life with you, why
should I marry you? He could have | 1:50:19 | 1:50:24 | |
helped her, here's how cars in, he
has known her since they were kids. | 1:50:24 | 1:50:30 | |
-- he is her cars in. | 1:50:30 | 1:50:32 | |
Desperate to try and resolve
the fallout she flew out | 1:50:32 | 1:50:34 | |
to Pakistan, despite fears
for her safety. | 1:50:34 | 1:50:36 | |
Six days into her trip,
Samia's father called the police | 1:50:36 | 1:50:38 | |
and said she'd had a heart attack
and was lying dead at | 1:50:38 | 1:50:41 | |
bottom of the stairs. | 1:50:41 | 1:50:42 | |
She was buried within a day,
but the story didn't stack up | 1:50:42 | 1:50:45 | |
for Samia's second husband,
and her friends in the UK. | 1:50:45 | 1:50:47 | |
They became suspicious and began
a quest for the truth, | 1:50:47 | 1:50:52 | |
Now, for the first time,
Samia's second husband, | 1:50:52 | 1:50:54 | |
Mukhtar has spoken about her murder
in a new BBC documentary. | 1:50:54 | 1:50:57 | |
Here he talks about why his wife
decided to make that fateful trip. | 1:50:57 | 1:51:07 | |
I get a call from the cousin asking
about Samia, and he told me that her | 1:51:07 | 1:51:12 | |
aunt, which was her
ex-mother-in-law, she passed away. | 1:51:12 | 1:51:15 | |
She was really in shock. She really
loved her auntie. There is no denial | 1:51:15 | 1:51:22 | |
about that, she cried a lot when she
died. She wanted to go to Pakistan | 1:51:22 | 1:51:31 | |
after that and we had this
discussion why she shouldn't go to | 1:51:31 | 1:51:33 | |
Pakistan. And then, after a few
weeks, she started getting these | 1:51:33 | 1:51:41 | |
emotional dialogue! From the family,
the father is not well, he is going | 1:51:41 | 1:51:46 | |
to pass away any time, you need to
come. Things might happen to the | 1:51:46 | 1:51:49 | |
Father... | 1:51:49 | 1:51:55 | |
We're going to talk now to Bradford
MP Naz Shah, who wrote | 1:51:55 | 1:51:58 | |
to the Prime Minister of Pakistan
immediately after Samia's death, | 1:51:58 | 1:52:02 | |
describing the case as an "honour
killing" and calling | 1:52:02 | 1:52:04 | |
for an investigation. | 1:52:04 | 1:52:06 | |
How did you first hear about Samia?
I had a lady calling the, a | 1:52:06 | 1:52:12 | |
constituent who rang me on the
Friday after her death and said to | 1:52:12 | 1:52:15 | |
me, can you support me? And if you
can't will you signpost me, I know | 1:52:15 | 1:52:21 | |
this girl has been murdered, can you
help us? That is how I got involved. | 1:52:21 | 1:52:25 | |
And what did you learn about what
could have happened to her? Well, | 1:52:25 | 1:52:31 | |
originally, in the community, it
was, she had an asthma attack, she | 1:52:31 | 1:52:34 | |
had a heart attack. And as I started
speaking to her friends, and people | 1:52:34 | 1:52:37 | |
who knew her, they all said very,
very clearly, this girl married out | 1:52:37 | 1:52:42 | |
of her own choice and she was taken
to Pakistan, there were lots of | 1:52:42 | 1:52:46 | |
police involvement previously when
she decided to marry the cousin out | 1:52:46 | 1:52:51 | |
of her own choice and leave her
first husband, and to me it had the | 1:52:51 | 1:52:57 | |
hallmarks of a so-called "honour
killing". That was the minute I | 1:52:57 | 1:52:59 | |
heard about it. And she herself, we
can see the messages, she was | 1:52:59 | 1:53:05 | |
worried about going to Pakistan, she
said she had not had reassurances | 1:53:05 | 1:53:10 | |
but she desperately wanted to go to
see her sick relative? She was told | 1:53:10 | 1:53:13 | |
to go and see her father who was
ill, her cousin who wanted her to | 1:53:13 | 1:53:18 | |
go. I have read the messages I have
seen the screenshots of him saying, | 1:53:18 | 1:53:21 | |
come home if he was panicked every
time he did not hear from her... And | 1:53:21 | 1:53:27 | |
the last message was just after 12
o'clock and after that we did not | 1:53:27 | 1:53:30 | |
hear from her. And the next thing we
knew she had been murdered. What do | 1:53:30 | 1:53:36 | |
we take from this horrific case?
Well, there's a few things. For | 1:53:36 | 1:53:41 | |
Samia's legacy we really, really
need to get justice. Although her | 1:53:41 | 1:53:44 | |
father passed away last month, I
think it was, we still have an | 1:53:44 | 1:53:49 | |
ex-husband who is charged with her
rape and her murder who is in | 1:53:49 | 1:53:52 | |
custody in Pakistan. The court case
is going to be transferred, because | 1:53:52 | 1:53:58 | |
a police officer was done for
corruption in this case as well, so | 1:53:58 | 1:54:01 | |
it was really, really important to
get political and media pressure in | 1:54:01 | 1:54:05 | |
Pakistan and the Guardian played a
huge role in Britain to highlight | 1:54:05 | 1:54:08 | |
its. But also legally speaking, we
have got the new ample domestic | 1:54:08 | 1:54:12 | |
violence abuse bill coming through
an end that we hope there will be | 1:54:12 | 1:54:15 | |
new powers which will mean that if
we have another case, where a Samia | 1:54:15 | 1:54:20 | |
is going to Pakistan and is murdered
in India or Pakistan or wherever, | 1:54:20 | 1:54:24 | |
then our police force can start
asking questions, and that is really | 1:54:24 | 1:54:28 | |
important, because it sends out the
message, you cannot take one of our | 1:54:28 | 1:54:31 | |
British children abroad and think
you can kill them and get away with | 1:54:31 | 1:54:34 | |
it. Thank you very much. | 1:54:34 | 1:54:37 | |
You can watch Murdered for Love? | 1:54:37 | 1:54:41 | |
Samia Shahid, tonight
at 9pm on BBC Two. | 1:54:41 | 1:54:48 | |
The epidemic of violent knife crime
in London has claimed | 1:54:48 | 1:54:50 | |
two more fatalities. | 1:54:50 | 1:54:52 | |
Both were stabbed to death last
night in Kentish Town, | 1:54:52 | 1:54:54 | |
in the north of the city. | 1:54:54 | 1:54:56 | |
It brings the number
of people stabbed to death | 1:54:56 | 1:54:59 | |
in the capital since the beginning
of the year to 16. | 1:54:59 | 1:55:02 | |
BBC London's reporter Greg McKenzie
is on the scene of one | 1:55:02 | 1:55:08 | |
of last night's incidents. | 1:55:08 | 1:55:12 | |
Police were called to Malden Road
just after ten o'clock last night, | 1:55:12 | 1:55:16 | |
with reports of a man believed to be
in his 20s who had suffered from | 1:55:16 | 1:55:20 | |
staff wounds. When they arrived they
pronounced him dead here at the | 1:55:20 | 1:55:23 | |
scene. An hour and a half before
that incident here on Malden Road | 1:55:23 | 1:55:27 | |
just behind me, there was a separate
stabbing, a teenager was stabbed on | 1:55:27 | 1:55:34 | |
Bartholomew Road. That is about
15-20 minutes from this location | 1:55:34 | 1:55:38 | |
by-footer. It is believed he was a
teenager, and local residents have | 1:55:38 | 1:55:43 | |
said -- on foot -- that they saw the
mother of the teenager being | 1:55:43 | 1:55:47 | |
comforted by the police. She was in
an emotional state and taken to a | 1:55:47 | 1:55:51 | |
local community centre. It was there
where family members gathered and a | 1:55:51 | 1:55:56 | |
number of police community officers
were talking to the family and local | 1:55:56 | 1:56:01 | |
residents on the estate, saying
they're shocked and saddened about | 1:56:01 | 1:56:03 | |
what has happened but say this is a
reality of living in this area. | 1:56:03 | 1:56:08 | |
Earlier in the programme,
we brought you the story of how | 1:56:08 | 1:56:11 | |
hundreds of Britain's homeless
are being trapped | 1:56:11 | 1:56:13 | |
into modern slavery. | 1:56:13 | 1:56:23 | |
We can speak a bit about this now.
There are many people trapped into | 1:56:23 | 1:56:37 | |
modern slavery despite the act?
There, we have been aware of this | 1:56:37 | 1:56:41 | |
for some time, we have been
commissioned to do some work on, we | 1:56:41 | 1:56:46 | |
have found out, of the six D1
organisations that we surveyed, | 1:56:46 | 1:56:50 | |
about 64% had had experience of
this. So it is a huge issue on the | 1:56:50 | 1:56:54 | |
ground and with the rise in rough
sleeping, the latest figures show a | 1:56:54 | 1:56:59 | |
159% rise in both sleeping on the
streets since 2010. There is a huge | 1:56:59 | 1:57:04 | |
amount of people there to be preyed
on. Caroline Haughey, why is this | 1:57:04 | 1:57:11 | |
happening run in the introduction of
the legislation with the Modern | 1:57:11 | 1:57:19 | |
Slavery Act? People have an
expectation to go and get their car | 1:57:19 | 1:57:24 | |
washed for £4, and we as a society
are encouraging it because we want | 1:57:24 | 1:57:27 | |
more for less. When people want more
for less, people who are vulnerable, | 1:57:27 | 1:57:33 | |
weather it the alcohol, mental
health, financial, then they are the | 1:57:33 | 1:57:36 | |
ones who are going to be exploited.
If you don't have a home, and | 1:57:36 | 1:57:41 | |
somebody offers you a roof over your
head, even though you probably know | 1:57:41 | 1:57:44 | |
it is not going to be on great Toms,
it is the least worst alternative. I | 1:57:44 | 1:57:53 | |
take your point about people wanting
a car wash for £4, but who is | 1:57:53 | 1:57:57 | |
supposed to enforce this
legislation, us, the police? | 1:57:57 | 1:58:01 | |
Actually it is not about enforcing
the legislation, the legislation is | 1:58:01 | 1:58:05 | |
being enforced, we're seeing raids
happened, we are seeing a leasing | 1:58:05 | 1:58:09 | |
attitude change and we are seeing
prosecutions on the increase. I | 1:58:09 | 1:58:12 | |
think it has got to be education,
health care, social services, the | 1:58:12 | 1:58:18 | |
police have to keep stepping up to
the mark as well. But I think we all | 1:58:18 | 1:58:23 | |
have to be involved in trying to
help our fellow man for the better. | 1:58:23 | 1:58:26 | |
Thank you. Mick Clarke and Caroline
Haughey, thank you. | 1:58:26 | 1:58:33 |