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Hello it's Friday, it's

9am, I'm Tina Daheley,

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welcome to the programme.

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When you get a prescription

and you pick up the treatment

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you expect it's the right drug,

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but too often it isn't

and it's costing lives.

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New research suggests mistakes

could be linked to up

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to 22,000 deaths in England.

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We are seeing four to five deaths

every single day because of errors

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in prescription or dispensing or the

monitoring of medications.

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And I'll be talking to the Health

Secretary Jeremy Hunt at 9.15am.

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From fighting fit, to fighting

for his life,

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a mystery virus left former England

footballer Andy Cole

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in need of a kidney transplant.

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His nephew Alexander stepped

in and saved his life

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by donating one of his.

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We'll hear their story here

on the programme in the next hour.

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The number of people being attacked

by acid is three times higher than

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in 2013, we will hear from two

survivors who tell us what impact

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the attacks have had on them. And a

care home for the elderly has been

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holding pole dancing displays for

its residents. And despite criticism

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from some, it has said it will

consider holding more. And so we

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shall be speaking with a couple of

pole dancers.

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Hello, welcome to the programme,

we're live until 11am this morning.

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In a few minutes' time,

we're going to be talking

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about organ donation with the former

England footballer Andy Cole.

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Andy's life was saved

when his nephew gave him his kidney.

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Today, MPs are debating a new Bill

which would introduce an opt-out

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organ donor system in England,

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where people are registered

as a potential donor

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unless they state otherwise.

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So what do you think?

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We'd like to hear from you if you've

benefited from an organ donation,

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or maybe you're a donor or on the

organ transplant waiting list.

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Do get in touch on this

all the stories we're talking

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about this morning, use

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Our top story today,

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mistakes in giving medicine out,

the wrong pills or the wrong dose,

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are costing lives in England.

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GPs, pharmacists, hospitals and care

homes may be making millions

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of errors a year according

to a new study

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and could be a factor

in more than 22,000 deaths.

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The Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt

says this level of harm is appalling

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and he's going to act.

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The report covers mistakes

made in the prescribing,

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dispensing and administering

of medication in England.

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These could involve

GPs, pharmacists, care

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homes and hospitals.

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The research is one of the first

exercises of its kind.

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It found that medication errors

could cause around 1,700 deaths

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per year and perhaps contribute

to up to 22,000 deaths.

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The cost to the NHS could be around

£1.6 billion a year.

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It does note that the vast majority

of prescriptions dispensed

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on the NHS are safe and mistakes do

occur in all health care systems.

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The Health and Social Care Secretary

Jeremy Hunt said it was a far bigger

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problem globally than has so far

been recognised, causing appalling

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levels of harm and death.

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Plans to tackle the problem include

introducing electronic prescribing

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systems in hospitals designed

to cut mistakes.

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The National Pharmacy Association

said it welcomed the focus

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on reducing medication errors,

but that a culture of learning,

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rather than blame, was needed.

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Hugh Pym, BBC News.

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A short while ago we spoke with

Jeremy Hunt, near is what he has had

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to say.

Twin four and five people

die every single day because of

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these errors, so what are we doing?

We know that if we move to

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electronic prescribing systems

rather than paper-based systems that

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we still have, then you can

eliminate around half of errors.

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My full interview with him

is after the news headlines.

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Get in touch, have you or somebody

in your family been wrongly

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prescribed medication, what impact

has it had?

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Unarmed officer who was at a Florida

school when 17 people were killed

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has failed to intervene in the

incident and has resigned

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subsequently. He remained outside of

the building and did not confront

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the gunmen, it is not yet known if

criminal charges will be brought. --

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An armed officer who was at the

Florida school, where 17 people were

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killed, has resigned after it

emerged he failed to intervene. .

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Scot Peterson was facing suspension

after an investigation revealed he

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remained outside the building and

did not confront the gunman. It's

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not yet known whether criminal

charges will be brought.

I saw a

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deputy arrived at the west side of

building 12 and take up a position

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and he never went in.

Was he there

when the shooter was still inside

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the building?

Yes he was, he did not

go in, what he should have done was

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going, address the killer, kill the

killer.

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Detectives investigating two murders

in Camden earlier this week have

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arrested an 18-year-old man.

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He was arrested in Camden

on suspicion of two counts

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of murder and one count

of grievous bodily harm.

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The police say both murders

are being treated as linked,

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and are appealing for information

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Two people are still being

questioned after a suspected

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hit-and-run in Coventry, which

killed two young brothers. A man in

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his 50s, and a woman in her 40s,

were arrested on suspicion of

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causing death by dangerous driving

and drink-driving. A two-year-old

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boy was pronounced dead shortly

after the incident - the death of

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his six-year-old brother was

confirmed a couple of hours later.

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A fourth British tourist has died

of injuries he suffered

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in a helicopter crash

in the Grand Canyon

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nearly a fortnight ago.

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Jonathan Udall, who was in his

30s and from Brighton,

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was on honeymoon with his wife,

Ellie Milward when

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the accident happened.

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His family has been

told of his death.

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Adina Campbell reports.

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Jon Udall and Ellie Milward

were on their honeymoon.

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She has now been left

with critical injuries,

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while her friends' online post,

announcing Mr Udall's death,

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described him as strong and brave.

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The Eurocopter EC130 crashed as it

came into land in Arizona's remote

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Quartermaster Canyon.

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Witnesses say it spun around twice

before hitting the ground and then

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bursting into flames.

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Police say bad weather meant

it was more than eight hours before

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the survivors could be

flown to hospital.

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Stuart Hill, on the left,

is pictured here along

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with his brother Jason,

who also died at the scene.

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Their parents say the brothers

shared an incredible bond

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and would be deeply missed.

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Jennifer Barham remains

in a critical condition

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in hospital in Las Vegas,

as does the pilot, Scott Booth.

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Experts say possible causes

of the crash include a faulty tail

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rotor and gusty winds.

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But it may take many

months to determine why

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the helicopter came down

with such terrible consequences.

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Adina Campbell, BBC News.

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Theresa May is understood to have

agreed with senior ministers,

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a position on Britain's future

relationship with the EU

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during talks at Chequers yesterday.

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Downing Street has given few details

but some of those present have

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suggested that everyone was happy

with the outcome.

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One told the BBC that "there has

been an outbreak of unity for now".

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Number Ten says the Prime Minister

will set out "the way forward" next

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week after a discussion by the full

Cabinet.

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EU leaders are meeting today to

discuss life after Brexit, reporter

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Adam Fleming is in Brussels. What

can you tell us about the away day

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and what is happening?

So this is a

meeting of the 27 remaining EU

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leaders here in Brussels, Brexit is

not the theme chin but it is the

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background music, they will be

talking about life after Brexit, as

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you said, lots of technical things,

what do you do with the seats that

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members of the European Parliament

have that they will no longer need,

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some will be spread around other

countries, some left in reserve,

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what do you do about hiring a

replacement for the president of the

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European Commission, Jean-Claude

Juncker, whose term of office ends

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just after Brexit happens next year,

coincidentally. The real big one,

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how do you fill the Brexit sized

hole that will appear in the

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multi-annual budget of the EU from

2021 onwards, they reckon it is £13

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billion and there will be months and

months of arguments about that, do

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you raise new money? Find new ways?

Ask countries that pay into the

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budget to pay more? They are not

happy about that. Ask countries who

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receive money from the budget to

receive less, they are not happy

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about that. There will be a brief

update from the president of the

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European Council, Donald Tusk, who

chairs these meetings, about the

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next thinking about the next phase,

which will be about trade and the

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future relationship, which will not

really get started until the next

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time these guys meet, which will be

the end of next month.

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MPs will debate a bill later

which would introduce a national

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"opt-out" system for organ

donation in England.

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A private member's bill presented

by Labour MP Geoffrey Robinson

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would mean people who did not

want to donate their organs

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would have to opt out.

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The Bill would need cross

party support to have any

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chance of progressing.

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The way we eat and drink is almost

as much of a factor in tooth

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erosion as what we consume,

according to new research.

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Scientists at King's College London

found acidic food and drink

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can wear teeth down,

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especially if people

snack continually.

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Our health correspondent,

Catherine Burns reports.

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Sipping, swilling, and nibbling,

researchers think one in six of us

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have habits like this,

and they are bad

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news for your teeth.

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When it comes to dentist visits,

the main worries tend to be

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fillings or gum disease,

but this report says

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we should also be thinking

about erosive tooth wear.

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It is when acid eats away

at the teeth, making them

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chip or get shorter.

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If you tend to play with things

in your mouth, or you if you tend

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to chop pieces of fruit up slowly

and nibble on them over a few

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minutes as opposed to just eating

them as a whole fruit,

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if you're doing these behaviours

on a daily basis for years

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and years and years,

you can cause serious

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damage to your teeth,

and that serious damage can mean

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that your whole mouth

needs to be rebuilt.

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Treatment takes an average

of more than 20 months

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at a cost of £4500 on the NHS

and almost £14,000 privately.

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Prevention is key.

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One part of that is cutting back

on acidic food and drinks.

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Some of the healthy choices we make

might be good for us overall,

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but they can erode your teeth.

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This report mentions adding a slice

of lemon or lime to your water,

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sugar-free soft drinks,

drinking fruit teas,

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and snacking on fruit.

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Take these grapes, for example.

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If you were to eat ten or 20

of them in one sitting,

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that would be one acid attack

on your teeth.

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If you were to eat the same amount

over a longer period of time,

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that would be a sustained attack.

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The advice is to be aware of overall

eating patterns and to consider

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snacks that are less acidic

and higher in calcium.

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Catherine Burns, BBC News.

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More and 9:30am. Do get in touch

with us throughout the morning - use

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the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you

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Big day for men's curling, will you

be watching?

Hopefully everyone will

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be watching on BBC Two, Big Mac

shone horizon for the women's

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curlers, that is after the men went

out, British Vogue is carried into

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the business end of the competition,

taking on Sweden in a couple of

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hours' time, in the semifinals,

victory would guarantee themselves

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or gold. Eve Muirhead and her team

should be confident after knocking

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out the defending champions, Canada,

in the last match. Things will not

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be easy against the Swedish, they

have already beaten Great Britain

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earlier in the around robin phase.

If the British do win, that will be

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one better than the bronze medal

they won in the Sochi games four

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years ago. Fingers crossed.

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I will try to catch it, 11, that is

just when I finish. How significant

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is this first gold medal for an

athlete from Russia?

Extremist

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significant, piece of history.

Yesterday we were talking about one

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of their athletes handing back a

medal after being found guilty of

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doping and today, it's the complete

opposite, a stunning gold in the

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women's singles figure skating for

the 15-year-old Alina Zagitova, who

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had a world record score in her

short programme before an impeccable

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routine in the free dance here. Her

training partner, the Two-time

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reigning world champion Yevgenia

Medvedeva clearly upset with her

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silver medal, she was the favourite

going into it, but a fantastic

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moment for the 15-year-old, and

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as I say, slice of Olympic history

for her. And so you'd expect her to

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lead out the Olympic Athletes from

Russia in the closing ceremony at

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the weekend but what flag would she

be carrying? Well there is

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speculation that a meeting between

the International Olympic Committee

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president Thomas Bach and an aide of

the Russian President Vladimir

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Putin, involved discussions over

lifting the Olympic ban on the

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country in time for the ceremony. T

may also, be of no coincidence that

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the Russians have now paid a fine of

nearly 11 million pounds, as part of

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their punishment. That would upset

many of the sporting bodies at the

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games though with the question being

why not wait until Monday? -- £11

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million.

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Celtic are out of Europe, what went

wrong?

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Celtic boss Brendan Rodgers

claimed his team needed

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to have more courage.

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But his young side will learn

from the experience.

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They crashed out of the Europa

League after a 3-1 aggregate defeat

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against Zenit St Petersburg.

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Celtic had led 1-0

from the first leg,

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but conceded three goals

in a disappointing performance.

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They had 67% of possession

but clearly lacked a cutting edge,

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with Rodgers saying his team needed

to show more bravery to play more

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positively going forward.

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The Arsenal survived a scare in the

last 32 tie, it is now six years in

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a row they have lost the home leg of

their European tie, they went 2-0

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down to their Swedish opponents,

Ostersunds, banks to a 3-0 first leg

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lead and this goal from Sayed

Kolasinac, they went through, 4-2,

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and Arsene Wenger hoping to avoid a

difficult draw for the last 16, that

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will be taking place at midday.

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Too many mistakes and too many lives

lost, and it's got to stop.

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That's what the Health

Secretary, Jeremy Hunt,

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has told this programme.

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He's concerned about the findings

of new research showing that GPs,

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pharmacists, hospitals and care

homes in England may be making

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millions of errors a year,

and could be a factor in more

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than 22,000 deaths.

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Mr Hunt told me this level

of harm is appalling,

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and he's going to act.

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We are doing a lot of things but it

is

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We are doing a lot of things but it

is important to reassure your view

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is that this report shows that error

rates are not higher in the UK then

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the US and other countries...

One in

five when it comes to prescriptions

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is too high?

Far too high and

between four and five people die

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every day because of these errors.

So what are we doing to sort this

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out? We know that if you move to

electronic prescribing systems

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rather than paper-based systems that

we still have in many hospitals, you

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can eliminate around half of errors.

How far are you with that?

Today we

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are announcing around an extra £75

million to help hospitals, but they

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create projects, so for example if

you try to give a drug to a pregnant

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woman that could damage the foetus,

then you will get a contraindication

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when you try to do that.

That means

75% of hospitals at the moment do

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not have an electronic process in

place?

That is right and that is

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what we want to put in place and

over the next five years we want all

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hospitals to move to

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that. He Bube talk to doctors,

pharmacists, nurses on the front

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line, they have another wobbly, and

that is that the culture is wrong,

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that if they make a mistake when

prescribing medicine, if they forget

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to bring down someone's dosage and

they admitted, they could get fired

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all suffer criminal prosecution or

something like that so the other

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thing we need to do is get the

culture right to recognise that

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there are going to be ordinary human

errors and we need to support

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people...

But they are just words,

in a way, in a sense, having this

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conversation today, the focus being

on how many mistakes are being made

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by GPs, in care homes, in hospitals,

could only serve to increase blame

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culture?

Not at all, what we are

doing today is not just words, we

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are decriminalising dispensing

errors by pharmacists, which I think

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is something pharmacists have long

thought creates the wrong culture.

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So you are changing the law so if a

pharmacist says, I made a mistake,

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they will not be prosecuted?

Provided it is a sensible mistake,

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no room for gross negligence, but

the kinds of human errors we

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typically see in the situation so we

are changing the law and we want to

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look at more generally how we move

in the NHS from a blame culture to a

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learning culture.

Let me bring it

one of our viewers' questions, this

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is from Louise, my Nan was overdosed

on heard usual medication when

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admitted into hospital last week due

to an ever by a pharmacist, what can

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you do to ensure this does not

happen in future and hold people

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accountable for these very serious

actions?

Two things come first...

0:18:200:18:25

Not prosecute them?

We need to make

sure we learn from those mistakes

0:18:250:18:31

because they happen far too often

and at the moment very often we are

0:18:310:18:34

not because people are worried about

the consequences if they are open

0:18:340:18:37

about them so that is the first

thing we are doing. The second thing

0:18:370:18:42

is we are employing 2000 pharmacists

to work in GP surgeries because I

0:18:420:18:46

don't know if it was the case in

that particular story but very often

0:18:460:18:49

these problems happen with older

people with dementia who are on a

0:18:490:18:54

cocktail of drugs which sometimes

0:18:540:19:05

don't work well together, and what

you need to do is get an experienced

0:19:080:19:10

pharmacist to look at these

combinations of drugs and say, we

0:19:100:19:13

need to take you off those two drugs

because we think they could conflict

0:19:130:19:15

with some of the others you are

taking.

What would you say in

0:19:150:19:18

Louise's Ks?

You are right, it is a

terrible problem, much more

0:19:180:19:20

widespread than we thought, but the

World Health Organization said today

0:19:200:19:23

that the NHS is taking the lead in

trying to tackle these problems, and

0:19:230:19:25

we certainly want to halve the

number of medication errors over the

0:19:250:19:30

next five years and hopefully avoid

a repeat of the stories.

Changing

0:19:300:19:33

the culture is one thing, that is

progressive, but isn't the real

0:19:330:19:37

issue fundamentally about the NHS

being understaffed and under

0:19:370:19:41

resourced?

There are

0:19:410:19:52

real staffing pressures in the NHS,

for sure, because of the pressure of

0:19:550:19:58

an ageing population, but today's

report is clear that levels of

0:19:580:20:00

medication are no higher in the NHS

and other European countries, so it

0:20:000:20:02

is about...

Saying, it is not just

us, this is other countries as well,

0:20:020:20:05

it is not reassuring to people in

this country.

But it answers the

0:20:050:20:08

question of whether it is about NHS

staffing levels. I don't for a

0:20:080:20:11

second suggest there are not

staffing issues and we are

0:20:110:20:13

increasing the number of doctors and

nurses and training places and so

0:20:130:20:16

on, but I think it is also having

systems in place that when people

0:20:160:20:20

are busy you have got checks and

balances that can stop those

0:20:200:20:24

mistakes being made.

This programme

has been exposing the problem with

0:20:240:20:34

joiner or mesh implant over the last

year, you announced a review into

0:20:340:20:37

them, would you like to see them

banned completely?

No, I have taken

0:20:370:20:39

independent advice from the Chief

Medical Officer who has looked at

0:20:390:20:42

all of the evidence and no European

country has banned mesh because

0:20:420:20:46

there are women for whom it is a

lifeline, incredibly important...

0:20:460:20:51

But there are also women crippled by

its use, unable to walk and to have

0:20:510:20:56

sex?

That is why we have to have

processes in place to use it

0:20:560:21:02

inappropriate situations and that is

what this review is going to look

0:21:020:21:06

at, but we don't want to ban it

altogether because we know there are

0:21:060:21:11

other women who benefited hugely

from mesh and not just women but

0:21:110:21:14

also something that men can benefit

from in certain situations as well.

0:21:140:21:17

And a quick word on Brexit, were you

at the away day and how did it go?

I

0:21:170:21:22

was not there but the findings will

be brought back to the Cabinet on

0:21:220:21:26

Tuesday when we will have a

discussion.

What was your sense of

0:21:260:21:29

it, didn't go well?

My senses would

it -- my sense is it was a good

0:21:290:21:40

discussion and there are industries

and supply chain across continents

0:21:400:21:44

but it must always be on a voluntary

basis and we must have control of

0:21:440:21:48

our own laws.

After ten o'clock this

morning we will speak to the

0:21:480:21:52

grandmother I mentioned to Jeremy

Hunt, Health Secretary, who say she

0:21:520:21:56

was overdosed on her usual

medication when she was admitted

0:21:560:21:58

into hospital last week.

0:21:580:22:04

Former England footballer Andy Cole

had an illustrious career

0:22:040:22:06

playing for top teams such

as Manchester United

0:22:060:22:08

and Newcastle United and he remains

the Premier League's third

0:22:080:22:10

all-time top scorer.

0:22:110:22:12

But in 2015, at the age of 43,

Andy fell ill with a mystery virus

0:22:120:22:15

that attacked his kidneys

and left him needing a transplant.

0:22:150:22:19

His 29-year-old nephew

Alexander Palmer stepped

0:22:190:22:21

in and saved Andy's life

by donating his kidney.

0:22:210:22:25

The two have now recovered

but are raising awareness

0:22:250:22:27

of the importance of organ donation.

0:22:270:22:31

A private members bill today

will consider whether England should

0:22:310:22:36

adopt the opt-out organ donation

system that's already

0:22:360:22:38

in place in Wales.

0:22:380:22:39

I'm pleased to say Andy and his

nephew Alexander are with me now.

0:22:390:22:44

Good to see you both, thank you for

coming in. My first question is, how

0:22:440:22:49

are you?

A lot better than I was a

year ago, two years ago.

Take me

0:22:490:22:55

back to that time, ex-footballer,

fit, healthy, on holiday in Vietnam

0:22:550:22:59

in 2015, what happened?

I was having

a very nice time, got back to

0:22:590:23:05

Manchester, didn't feel particularly

well. Over three or four days, I

0:23:050:23:11

finally decided to go into hospital

with quite a bit of persuasion.

What

0:23:110:23:15

were your symptoms?

I was getting a

lot of water retention, a bit of

0:23:150:23:21

weight, growing and growing every

single day, so with a bit of

0:23:210:23:27

persuasion in the end I went into

the hospital and my consultant at

0:23:270:23:30

the time, still my consultant now,

basically explained to me what the

0:23:300:23:35

situation was and how bad it was at

the time.

What was the situation? As

0:23:350:23:39

they explained it to you at that

time? Because this is a pretty rare

0:23:390:23:44

condition?

He asked me quite a few

questions, I just remember saying to

0:23:440:23:51

him, I've not really got time, I

need to get home, and he was saying,

0:23:510:23:54

well, you won't be going home. Took

a sample of my kidney, a biopsy, and

0:23:540:24:02

started to explain what he thought

it was and if I had had other

0:24:020:24:07

symptoms which could be a kidney

problem and as soon as he said that,

0:24:070:24:11

every single symptom there was, and

he explained, that is one of the

0:24:110:24:15

reasons you will not be going home

for a little bit.

You have already

0:24:150:24:18

mentioned the bloating, putting on

weight, what with the other

0:24:180:24:21

symptoms?

Uncontrollable pick-ups,

things like that, itching, I was

0:24:210:24:27

itching like I had fleas, that was

basically the toxins in my body --

0:24:270:24:36

uncontrollable hiccups. When you're

kidney does not work, the toxins

0:24:360:24:39

cannot be flushed out.

You say you

had to be persuaded to see somebody,

0:24:390:24:46

why? They sound like a pretty bad

symptoms to me!

I am a man, and I

0:24:460:24:52

think as a man we feel like we don't

need to go to hospital, doctors,

0:24:520:24:58

whatever. When you become ill, if

you believe you become vulnerable,

0:24:580:25:03

and you don't want to...

Admit there

is anything wrong?

People say, man

0:25:030:25:10

of, get wrong with it, that is

exactly what I did. Would I do it

0:25:100:25:14

differently now? Yes. But at that

time it was like, no, I'm not going

0:25:140:25:18

to do it, I will take a couple of

paracetamol and in the morning I

0:25:180:25:22

will be good to go.

And, Alex, your

nephew, it is fair to say he is the

0:25:220:25:27

reason you are sitting here now?

Yes, he is. I am forever indebted to

0:25:270:25:34

him, he knows that. I appreciate

everything he has done for me and

0:25:340:25:37

what he has gone through, the pain

he has gone through, to see me

0:25:370:25:42

recover than Alex did at the time

because I remember when I left

0:25:420:25:45

hospital I left him in the hospital.

I remember saying, if I could change

0:25:450:25:51

it, I would do, because I did not

want to see him in that pain, first

0:25:510:25:55

and foremost. Fortunately he came

round and that is why we are sitting

0:25:550:25:58

in front of you now.

Alex, can you

tell me about the journey, Andy's

0:25:580:26:03

journey from the moment he was

diagnosed to the point where you

0:26:030:26:07

decided to donate your own kidney?

For me it was a straightaway thing,

0:26:070:26:11

as soon as they told be about the

situation I said, help, I am more

0:26:110:26:15

than happy to help stop a no-brainer

for me.

And what was the process

0:26:150:26:21

like, how do you go about donating

your kidney, would you have decided

0:26:210:26:25

you wanted to help, what happens

next?

A lot of blood tests, I had

0:26:250:26:32

the test and once the test came in

and it is positive, then it is the

0:26:320:26:36

next stage, not a simple process but

a process that is worthwhile.

Was it

0:26:360:26:43

an instant decision, did you think

about it and discuss it with

0:26:430:26:47

anybody?

For me it was an instant

decision, I knew within my heart of

0:26:470:26:50

hearts that if I could help then I

would come straightaway.

How did the

0:26:500:26:54

conversation go when you told Andy,

your uncle, that you wanted to do

0:26:540:26:57

this?

He was like, no, I don't want

it, I will be OK! But after

0:26:570:27:03

persuasion he came round to the

idea.

What was the operation like,

0:27:030:27:08

for both of you?

It was hard.

For

me, it was one of those ones, you

0:27:080:27:15

know, even the day I went down for

the transplant, I was still trying

0:27:150:27:20

to convince myself I didn't need it.

I sat down with the surgeons the day

0:27:200:27:24

before and said, are you sure that I

could not have a couple more weeks?

0:27:240:27:29

They said, you have gone as far as

you can go now. Acceptance in the

0:27:290:27:35

whole situation has been very, very

tough. It is coming up to a year

0:27:350:27:40

from the transplant, I have finally

accepted that it is what it is and I

0:27:400:27:43

need to try and move on with things

as quick as possible.

Before that,

0:27:430:27:47

you were having dialysis? You sound

like you have a strong support

0:27:470:27:52

network around you, your nephew, you

have said that your wife was

0:27:520:27:58

overboard in what you were going to,

getting a donor in the first place

0:27:580:28:02

was down to your wife? I have got to

be honest, if she did not nag me so

0:28:020:28:07

much I would not have gone into

hospital, a couple of paracetamol is

0:28:070:28:11

and I am good to go, I was doing

that every day, so the constant

0:28:110:28:15

nagging finally got me to say, OK,

my old club doctor came to see me,

0:28:150:28:22

sent before a scam, ended up going

into the hospital to find out what

0:28:220:28:26

the situation was. Before you fell

ill and donated your kidney, were

0:28:260:28:30

you on the organ donor list, was it

something you cared about?

I will be

0:28:300:28:35

brutally honest, I knew nothing

about it. When you talk about

0:28:350:28:40

organs, it is not something I

actually thought about until me

0:28:400:28:44

going through what I went through,

going into the hospital and seeing

0:28:440:28:48

different people having whatever

problems they have, it started to

0:28:480:28:51

change my perspective as well.

Knowing that you can change

0:28:510:28:56

someone's life if you do pass away

and leave your organs to someone

0:28:560:28:59

else to continue their life, that

has been a big thing for me,

0:28:590:29:03

definitely.

This is being debated

today in Parliament, what do you

0:29:030:29:07

think about the opt out scheme? It

is already in place in Wales.

It is

0:29:070:29:12

an option, life is all about

options. Would I do it? Of course I

0:29:120:29:18

would do it, 100%. When my time

comes and I pass away, I would love

0:29:180:29:21

to do it, for sure.

Alex, what do

you think?

I would, for sure,

0:29:210:29:28

because it is something you don't

think about until someone falls ill

0:29:280:29:31

and then you do your research and

think about the big changes you can

0:29:310:29:34

make when you donate your organs.

A comment from Twitter, I know

0:29:340:29:39

people looking for receiving

transplants, I moved over to Wales

0:29:390:29:42

from England for university web I

have the opt-out law and I signed up

0:29:420:29:46

to be a donor, should someone needs

my help on bed then I am more than

0:29:460:29:49

happy to give life.

What would you say to people who

0:29:490:29:54

don't support changing the system we

have two and opt-out where consent

0:29:540:29:57

is given unless you opt out of it?

Naturally it is entirely up to them

0:29:570:30:05

that if you look at the grand scheme

of things, why not? I am not trying

0:30:050:30:10

to be morbid but once you pass away,

if you can help someone else

0:30:100:30:17

continue with their life, it could

be a young person, middle-aged

0:30:170:30:20

person, old person, why not? Life is

about enjoying it, if you can give

0:30:200:30:24

someone that opportunity,

definitely, for me.

And, Alex, a

0:30:240:30:29

message to people watching at home?

I would say considerate, think about

0:30:290:30:34

it, because you are doing a good

thing in giving somebody the

0:30:340:30:37

opportunity to live longer, just

give it a good thought.

Alex, Andy,

0:30:370:30:42

thank you so much for coming in and

sharing your experiences with us.

0:30:420:30:46

Still to come.

0:30:460:30:47

The number of people being attacked

by acid is three times

0:30:470:30:50

higher than in 2013.

0:30:500:30:51

We'll hear from two survivors

who tell us what impact

0:30:510:30:53

the attacks have had on them.

0:30:540:31:03

Our poll dancing displays in a care

home an appropriate way to entertain

0:31:030:31:07

elderly residents? -- are pole

dancing.

0:31:070:31:24

mistakes in giving medicine out,

the wrong pills or the wrong dose,

0:31:320:31:35

are costing lives in England.

0:31:350:31:36

GPs, pharmacists, hospitals and care

homes may be making millions

0:31:360:31:39

of errors a year according

to a new study

0:31:390:31:41

and could be a factor

in more than 22,000 deaths.

0:31:410:31:43

Jeremy Hunt says that the government

is investing in police systems which

0:31:430:31:46

could help event mistakes. -- A

study has found that mistakes made

0:31:460:31:50

in the medication given to patients

in England could be the cause of

0:31:500:31:53

seventeen-hundred deaths a year, and

could contribute to thousands more.

0:31:530:31:55

-- 1700 deaths a year. The report,

commissioned by the government said

0:31:550:31:58

the number of drug errors totals 237

million cases a year. The Health and

0:31:580:32:01

Social Care Secretary, Jeremy Hunt,

said the government is investing in

0:32:010:32:03

computer systems that would help

prevent mistakes. An armed officer

0:32:030:32:05

who was at the Florida school, where

17 people were killed, has resigned

0:32:050:32:08

after it emerged he failed to

intervene. Scot Peterson was facing

0:32:080:32:10

suspension after an investigation

revealed he remained outside the

0:32:100:32:12

building and did not confront the

gunman. It's not yet known whether

0:32:120:32:14

criminal charges will be brought.

0:32:140:32:25

A fourth British tourist has died of

injuries he suffered in a helicopter

0:32:300:32:33

crash in the Grand Canyon nearly a

fortnight ago. Jonathan Udall, who

0:32:330:32:35

was in his 30s and from Brighton,

was on honeymoon with his wife,

0:32:350:32:37

Ellie Milward. She and another

British woman, as well as the

0:32:370:32:39

helicopter's pilot, remain in a

critical condition in hospital.

0:32:390:32:41

Detectives investigating two murders

in Camden earlier this week have

0:32:410:32:43

arrested an 18-year-old man. He was

arrested in Camden on suspicion of

0:32:430:32:46

two counts of murder and one count

of grievous bodily harm. The police

0:32:460:32:48

say both murders are being treated

as linked, and are appealing for

0:32:480:32:51

information. Theresa May is

understood to have agreed with

0:32:510:32:52

senior ministers, a position on

Britain's future relationship with

0:32:520:32:55

the EU during talks at Chequers

yesterday. Downing Street has given

0:32:550:32:56

few details but some of those

present have suggested that everyone

0:32:560:32:59

was happy with the outcome. The

Environment Secretary, Michael Gove,

0:32:590:33:01

said there was a "very, very good

atmosphere". Number Ten says the

0:33:010:33:03

Prime Minister will set out "the way

forward" next week after a

0:33:030:33:05

discussion by the full Cabinet.

0:33:050:33:06

Sipping acidic drinks such as fruit

teas and flavoured water can wear

0:33:070:33:09

away teeth and damage the enamel. A

team at King's College London found

0:33:090:33:11

that drinking them between meals and

savouring them for too long

0:33:110:33:14

increased the risk of tooth erosion

from acid. The research found the

0:33:140:33:16

problem was increasing as people

snacked more.

0:33:160:33:27

Team GB's women face Sweden in the

semifinals of the curling at the

0:33:310:33:36

Olympics, after beating the

defending champions Canada, in their

0:33:360:33:40

last match, Britain will be

confident, but face a team that has

0:33:400:33:44

beaten them once already in

Pyeongchang. The winner will take

0:33:440:33:46

home at least a silver medal. There

was an historic moment in the

0:33:460:33:51

Women's singles figure skating as

15-year-old Alina Zagitova won the

0:33:510:33:53

first gold for the Olympic Athlete

from Russia. Celtic went out of

0:33:530:33:59

Europe after losing 3-1 on aggregate

to Zenit St Petersburg. But Arsenal

0:33:590:34:03

are in the draw later today despite

losing at home to Ostersund FC of

0:34:030:34:06

Sweden - a 2-1 defeat but a 4-2

aggregate win.

0:34:060:34:18

A growing number of people

are being attacked by acid.

0:34:200:34:22

New figures - obtained by 5 live

investigates show there were 646

0:34:220:34:25

acid attacks in England and Wales

last year, over three times

0:34:250:34:27

higher than in 2013.

0:34:270:34:29

The majority of these attacks

were in London, followed

0:34:290:34:31

by Greater Manchester and Essex.

0:34:310:34:32

Along with 5 live Investigates,

we brought together two

0:34:320:34:34

acid attack survivors -

with very different stories -

0:34:340:34:36

to talk about the impact

the attacks have had -

0:34:360:34:39

and are still having -

on their lives...

0:34:390:34:49

In 2014, my ex paid someone to chuck

acid over me.

I was a victim of acid

0:34:570:35:10

attack last year. Someone threw acid

at my face on the street while I was

0:35:100:35:16

riding my mopeds.

I was attacked

three and a half years ago, almost

0:35:160:35:26

four, August, 2014, my ex-partner

paid someone to chuck acid on me

0:35:260:35:32

while I was on the way to work,

8:30am. This guy came towards me,

0:35:320:35:38

shaking a bottle. He looked me in

the eyes and gave me this look and

0:35:380:35:43

that is when he threw the acid. Half

a head of hair, my right ear, all my

0:35:430:35:51

right side. My first thing was, my

God, he has chuck water over me, and

0:35:510:35:58

seconds later, it was burning, and

it felt like I was melting.

0:35:580:36:03

I was delivering food, I was a food

delivery man, I was finishing my

0:36:060:36:13

work, trying to go home, I stopped

at the traffic light. I felt water

0:36:130:36:19

on the helmet, I saw two boys with

masks on. I left my bike on the

0:36:190:36:26

street. I felt burning on my face.

One of the ladies passing by, she

0:36:260:36:33

asked me what happened. When she saw

me lying down on the pavement. I was

0:36:330:36:41

crying like a baby. I have never

cried like that. The police arrived

0:36:410:36:46

and put water on me.

Where is it

hurting? Are you all right? Where is

0:36:460:36:57

it hurting, mate? Keep your eyes

open.

Yeah, I kept crying for water

0:36:570:37:04

as well, that was the initial thing,

feeling burning. Someone running out

0:37:040:37:10

of the house with a bucket of water,

and I remember smoking, and for me,

0:37:100:37:16

that started the reaction again, it

was all over me. Looked down... It

0:37:160:37:22

was all burned, it was everywhere, I

can still smell that smell now, it

0:37:220:37:26

is a smell that I cannot describe.

If I did not have that water over

0:37:260:37:32

me, I would have been blind, that

water was a blessing.

It was burning

0:37:320:37:37

on my chest. There was a pain all

over my body. I had to sleep all day

0:37:370:37:46

as well.

I was in hospital for six

weeks. I had skin grafts, they took

0:37:460:37:52

it from my thigh, all the

operations. My right hand, my right

0:37:520:37:58

arm, right side of my head, this

hair is fake. I lost my ear and

0:37:580:38:03

minor. And then my chest. -- I lost

my ear and my neck. I realised it

0:38:030:38:12

was my ex, the key person that

planned it, I vowed that he would

0:38:120:38:21

never win, and that was the fight

that I wanted to fight back at full

0:38:210:38:26

I remember the first time I ever

cried... Everyone was crying around

0:38:260:38:32

me, but I thought, this is how

Anthony wants me, so from that

0:38:320:38:36

point, why was like, I'm not going

to do what he wants. He wanted me

0:38:360:38:40

not to go out so I went out, I am a

tacky how I was before, I did not

0:38:400:38:47

want what he had done to affect my

life. He had affected it enough

0:38:470:38:51

already.

Your one is different

issues, my scarring is, I'm not

0:38:510:39:01

able... I am not able to go

anywhere, I am scared, it is

0:39:010:39:08

psychological. Weekends, I would

spend time with my friends, chill

0:39:080:39:10

out. I don't know why I cannot meet

them now, but I do not feel safe. If

0:39:100:39:16

anyone comes to my house, I am

happy, but I do not feel like it is

0:39:160:39:24

safe for me to go back to work.

For

me, it is the effects of my family,

0:39:240:39:29

my dad is a broken man, he is the

person I can see has changed the

0:39:290:39:33

most, I am his little girl, he was

away at the time, it was so hard

0:39:330:39:40

because my family were struggling.

And I did not know how to deal with

0:39:400:39:44

that, for me, it was like, why are

you crying, are you... What have you

0:39:440:39:49

got to cry about. Took me a while to

think about how they must be

0:39:490:39:53

feeling.

0:39:530:40:04

I did not go back to work until last

April, it has had three years, it

0:40:040:40:09

took me that long to feel that I was

ready to go back into society. I

0:40:090:40:14

needed to get back to work, it made

me feel so much better getting

0:40:140:40:18

bacteria allergy. My ex-partner got

life, minimum 13 years, he had seven

0:40:180:40:27

convictions. -- it made me feel so

much better getting back to life. My

0:40:270:40:32

attacker got seven years, he was out

last May, I don't think that is

0:40:320:40:36

justice, he is the one who scarred

me for life, I think he should have

0:40:360:40:41

got a lot longer than two years. I

am still here, no ear, half a head

0:40:410:40:45

of hair, whereas he is starting his

new life.

Exactly. My attacker is

0:40:450:40:51

15. I have a sympathy for his age,

but I think he is responsible for

0:40:510:41:00

what he done. I want him to be in

jail... He should get a long

0:41:000:41:08

sentence for that. A tougher

sentence.

He is probably oblivious

0:41:080:41:12

to the effects and how severe acid

is. There is no education... Robbie

0:41:120:41:19

was not educated enough to know the

severity of it.

Why do they have to

0:41:190:41:25

do acid, they have got a lot of

options, why do they have to do

0:41:250:41:28

this?

I think it is so easy, rather

than with a knife, with a gun, with

0:41:280:41:35

any weapon, you have got to hide it.

Liquid in a bottle... A bit of acid

0:41:350:41:41

goes on your face, you are scarred,

that second. It is severe. I have my

0:41:410:41:48

scars, I have lost my ear, the side

of my head, but I feel like it could

0:41:480:41:53

have been worse, I could have been

blind. You cannot live your life

0:41:530:41:57

based on what they have done. I

could spend all my time hating the

0:41:570:42:02

fact that he got for but where would

it get me, that sentence will be

0:42:020:42:06

what he done anyway. For yourself,

obviously, when you have the

0:42:060:42:11

sentence coming up, if it is not

something you are not happy with,

0:42:110:42:16

don't let it affect you more than it

should, it has already affected you

0:42:160:42:20

enough.

Obviously, we can go to the

camera, we can speak out, but there

0:42:200:42:27

is a lot of victims that cannot show

their face now. As a community, as a

0:42:270:42:34

society, we will have the

responsibility. We should speak out

0:42:340:42:39

about it.

0:42:390:42:41

And you can hear much more on that

story on the BBC Radio 5 live

0:42:410:42:44

Investigates programme

at 11 on Sunday

0:42:440:42:47

We will also be discussing further

what should be done to tackle acid

0:42:480:42:52

attacks after 10am this morning. A

couple of your comments before we

0:42:520:42:56

move on, on prescriptions, this

e-mail, two weeks ago we had a

0:42:560:43:01

letter from the local GP surgery

advising they were no longer issuing

0:43:010:43:05

electronic prescription, now we have

to take a trip every two weeks to

0:43:050:43:09

the surgery because prescriptions

now take seven days with a GP and

0:43:090:43:12

four days with a chemist. Call this

progress? And John has said, even

0:43:120:43:18

correct or electronic prescribing

will not sort out basic errors in

0:43:180:43:23

actually giving medication to

patients, my wife was recently in

0:43:230:43:26

hospital and my daughter and I, both

medically trained, had to check drug

0:43:260:43:30

charts every day, to make sure

medication had been administered.

0:43:300:43:36

One important medication was omitted

for an entire day because they had

0:43:360:43:41

run out and needed to order more.

Keep your messages coming in.

0:43:410:43:48

It's a crisis that began six months

ago and is now regarded

0:43:480:43:51

as the fastest growing humanitarian

disaster in the world.

0:43:510:43:53

Hundreds of thousands

of Rohingya Muslims -

0:43:530:43:55

most of them children -

have been forced from their homes

0:43:550:43:57

fleeing violence at the hands

of the Myanmar military.

0:43:570:43:59

According to aid organisation

Unicef, there are now an estimated

0:43:590:44:02

720,000 children in the camps

of southern Bangladesh

0:44:020:44:04

and Myanmar's Rakhine state.

0:44:040:44:05

With the cyclone season approaching,

the potential for yet more suffering

0:44:050:44:07

is great and Unicef are warning

the fragile camps on which the

0:44:070:44:10

children depend could be swept away.

0:44:100:44:12

In a moment we'll hear from two

people working with refugees

0:44:120:44:14

on the ground in those camps,

but first here's a look at the story

0:44:140:44:18

of Mohammed Faisal -

a Bangladeshi boy who fled his home

0:44:180:44:20

when his village was

burned to the ground.

0:44:200:44:26

This video was filmed

and given to us by Unicef,

0:44:260:44:28

and just a warning you might find

some of the details upsetting.

0:44:280:44:35

Let's talk now to Tun Khin,

who fled Myanmar when he was 17

0:45:540:45:59

and now campaigns on behalf

of his fellow Rohingyas.

0:45:590:46:04

Thank you for coming in. Why did you

have to leave?

I left when my age

0:46:040:46:12

was 17 and I have suffered these

things, even though my grandfather

0:46:120:46:18

was a member of Parliament, I was

not recognised as a citizen of

0:46:180:46:23

Burma. For me, I have faced

restriction of movement and I have

0:46:230:46:28

seen my friends who are not allowed

to go to university myself in Burma,

0:46:280:46:38

and Rohingyas, if we want to get

married we need to get a pass and

0:46:380:46:41

many of my friends...

This is

because you are Muslim?

It is

0:46:410:46:46

ethnic, religious and political

prosecution, quite a big issue, they

0:46:460:46:50

do not want to see Rangers in Burma.

They are systematically destroying

0:46:500:46:54

the Rohingya community as a

genocide, it has been a long-time

0:46:540:46:59

planned, so we have seen only six

months ago mass exodus and mass

0:46:590:47:06

killings, but going on since 1978,

so 40 years right now, this is going

0:47:060:47:15

on a long-term, we have seen

refugees 1991, 1992, 1978 we have

0:47:150:47:23

seen the 2016...

So why do you

think, you are telling me that you

0:47:230:47:28

have experienced what people are

going through now, the same sort of

0:47:280:47:32

persecution. What do you think about

what is happening now, the fact that

0:47:320:47:36

the world is talking about what is

happening, things have escalated in

0:47:360:47:39

the last six months and we have

hundreds of thousands of children in

0:47:390:47:42

these camps?

This is long-time

planned but first they strip our

0:47:420:47:49

ethnic breads, then our citizenship

rights, they impose restriction of

0:47:490:47:53

movement and then when the

government came to power there was

0:47:530:48:00

more anti-Rohingya campaign in cited

in Burma and military getting an

0:48:000:48:08

opportunity to eliminate and wipe

out the population. They are trying

0:48:080:48:18

to get mass killings and finally we

had only one thing, they were taking

0:48:180:48:23

away our land, they burned our

villages, massive atrocities taking

0:48:230:48:27

place there and military committed

in the Rohingya community but...

We

0:48:270:48:34

can speak to somebody who is there.

0:48:340:48:37

Benjamin Steinlechner

from Unicef, who's joining us

0:48:370:48:38

from his hotel half-an-hour

from a huge refugee camp.

0:48:380:48:43

Thank you for joining us this

morning. Can you give us a sense of

0:48:430:48:47

what it is like there at the moment?

It somewhat feels like the calm

0:48:470:48:51

before the storm in the camp now.

Lots of our response efforts work

0:48:510:48:57

very well, we have installed

latrines, we are able to help the

0:48:570:49:02

refugees with medical supplies,

medical services, and nutrition

0:49:020:49:07

services for the babies, basic

education and child protection

0:49:070:49:11

services. However, there is the

cyclone monsoon season looming and

0:49:110:49:16

the camp, which is terribly fast, is

built on the grounds of a former

0:49:160:49:20

Forest which is now absolutely

deprived of the forest and without

0:49:200:49:25

any routes because people have used

them for firewood. With the rain

0:49:250:49:30

coming in there are huge risks of

floods and people getting flooded,

0:49:300:49:35

and of diseases spreading in the

camps.

Can you mitigate for any of

0:49:350:49:40

those things, knowing that cyclone

season is approaching, what can you

0:49:400:49:43

do?

So, we have already started

implementing the wells, finding out

0:49:430:49:53

where we could move some people who

are at very high risk of getting

0:49:530:49:56

flooded and we make sure some of the

major facilities that are important

0:49:560:50:00

life-saving facilities are moved to

higher places that people have easy

0:50:000:50:04

access to them.

Can you tell me

about some of the children you are

0:50:040:50:08

helping and working with? What is

the sense in the camp, do people

0:50:080:50:12

feel like things are getting worse,

that things are improving?

Things

0:50:120:50:16

have definitely improved for the

children. When they first came

0:50:160:50:21

during the biggest influx in August,

you could see them draw images of

0:50:210:50:26

horrific scenes, soldiers shooting

people, men hanging from trees,

0:50:260:50:30

blood everywhere. Now you see

children are drawing peaceful scenes

0:50:300:50:37

of flowers and peaceful landscapes,

so you can definitely see a change

0:50:370:50:41

there.

What are the diseases that

you are dealing with, what are

0:50:410:50:45

people most vulnerable to? Teams

from the UK were sent out before

0:50:450:50:49

Christmas to deal with an outbreak

of diphtheria in the camps.

That is

0:50:490:50:53

very true and luckily that has been

pretty much contained because of the

0:50:530:50:58

effort of the combined effort of aid

agencies there. We are still

0:50:580:51:03

fighting malnutrition in the camps,

many children are still malnourished

0:51:030:51:07

but we are helping them through our

malnutrition centres giving them

0:51:070:51:11

highly nutritious peanut paste to

get them back to a healthy state.

0:51:110:51:15

You have been there for three months

working on the ground with people

0:51:150:51:19

trying to help them. In terms of the

international effort, what more

0:51:190:51:23

could the global community be doing

to help?

Our efforts need to be

0:51:230:51:30

stepped up. As I mentioned, with the

monsoon coming in, it does feel like

0:51:300:51:34

the calm before the storm and this

is an underfunded crisis and we need

0:51:340:51:38

more help from around the world to

respond to the imminent needs of the

0:51:380:51:43

Rohingya people here.

OK, then, for

now, thank you. Tun, I want to come

0:51:430:51:48

back to you, do you have family

living there at the moment, do you

0:51:480:51:52

speak to people?

I have some

relatives in Northern Rakhine state

0:51:520:51:59

facing starvation, threatened by

military and security forces and

0:51:590:52:03

even yesterday some houses burned

down, some of my friends messaged

0:52:030:52:10

me. The military and Burmese

government is trying to get all

0:52:100:52:15

Rohingya out from Burma, that is

their plan, another 500 to 600,000

0:52:150:52:19

left only so every day they cannot

access the race though, cannot

0:52:190:52:25

access the fishing, they have no

right to move through markets, and

0:52:250:52:29

the situation is getting much, much

worse. Six months, no government has

0:52:290:52:34

taken any action to stop this

genocide. It is very disappointing.

0:52:340:52:40

What do you think the government

should be doing here, you are from

0:52:400:52:43

Myanmar but live in the UK, what

should the Government be doing?

The

0:52:430:52:48

Government must bring this

responsible who committed genocide,

0:52:480:52:54

military and other murderers, must

be brought to the International

0:52:540:52:57

criminal Court, those who are

complicit in this genocide. Also it

0:52:570:53:01

is important that we need to look

for a prominent solution, we also

0:53:010:53:07

need to call for a global arms

embargo for Burma and also the UN, a

0:53:070:53:21

lot of people talking about

repatriations, I was there a few

0:53:210:53:25

days ago in Bangladesh, I have met

recently people who fled from Burma.

0:53:250:53:30

The situation is still the same, so

how can you return back these

0:53:300:53:35

refugees when people are still

fleeing? So in Burma, Rohingyas

0:53:350:53:40

cannot go back without any

protection of international level,

0:53:400:53:46

that is UN protection, which is much

needed to save the lives of

0:53:460:53:51

Rohingya.

Tun, thank you for coming

in to talk to us, I am sure we will

0:53:510:53:55

revisit this subject again in the

future.

0:53:550:53:57

Let's return out into the inquiry

into lasting's Florida school

0:53:570:54:02

shooting, which ranks as the second

deadliest ever

0:54:020:54:03

at a US public school.

0:54:030:54:08

Now it's emerged that an armed guard

was on duty at the school

0:54:080:54:11

in Parkland where 17 people

were shot dead,

0:54:110:54:13

and did not intervene.

0:54:130:54:14

Scot Peterson, who has now resigned,

remained outside the building

0:54:140:54:16

and failed to confront the gunman.

0:54:160:54:22

Scot Petersen was absolutely

on-campus through this entire event.

0:54:220:54:25

He was armed, he was in uniform. But

what I saw was a deputy arrive at

0:54:250:54:35

the west side of building 12, take

up a position, and he never went in.

0:54:350:54:46

A care home in Dorset is facing

critism after it emerged staff hired

0:54:460:54:49

pole dancers as entertainment

for its elderly residents.

0:54:490:54:53

Pictures from the performance

show elderly residents -

0:54:530:55:03

both male and female,

and their families -

0:55:030:55:05

watching the dancers acrobatically

spin around a metal pole

0:55:050:55:07

in sports bras and knickers.

0:55:070:55:08

It's been branded 'inappropriate'

by local councillors,

0:55:080:55:10

who said they were 'staggered'

by the choice of entertainment.

0:55:100:55:12

But bosses at the home in

Christchurch defended its decision.

0:55:120:55:16

Let's speak now to Eleanor Spry,

who owns Pole Crazy -

0:55:160:55:18

some of her students took part.

0:55:180:55:24

With me in the studio is Sam Cane

from Pole Fit London, he's one of

0:55:240:55:33

the UK's top poll instructors.

Eleanor, first of all, how did this

0:55:330:55:36

come about?

It was a bit of fun.

Someone from the care home said to

0:55:360:55:43

one of my instructors, the residents

are looking for something a bit more

0:55:430:55:46

interesting and diverse, would you

like to come and do a performance,

0:55:460:55:49

and that was it, that is what we

did. It was a Sunday afternoon, just

0:55:490:55:54

some light-hearted entertainment.

Were you surprised they had come to

0:55:540:55:57

you with this request? Have you had

anything like it before?

We have

0:55:570:56:02

done public performances, so we have

done community fates in the area,

0:56:020:56:09

not specifically a care home. So I

wasn't overly surprised, sometimes

0:56:090:56:15

it is difficult with the logistics

of getting the poll there but there

0:56:150:56:19

was no, oh my goodness, what are we

doing.

What was the response from

0:56:190:56:23

the residents?

Loved it, four rounds

of applause. The girls love

0:56:230:56:28

performing and I think the residents

saw that, they saw how much they

0:56:280:56:31

enjoyed putting on a show for them

and they have asked us to go back,

0:56:310:56:36

so I can only assume that they

enjoyed it that much.

Did you get

0:56:360:56:40

any negativity? I know this was an

optional activity for the residents

0:56:400:56:44

to attend, they did not will have to

watch it, they could come along if

0:56:440:56:47

they wanted to.

Negativity from the

residents? From the care home beyond

0:56:470:56:55

that?

We will come to the outside

criticism, but no one from there?

0:56:550:57:00

But what do you make of criticism

from local councillors? Dorset

0:57:000:57:04

County Council told the Bournemouth

Echo, it is not really the sort of

0:57:040:57:09

entertainment would have thought

that the residents wanted all would

0:57:090:57:11

have encouraged.

That is more a

critic of the residents, isn't it,

0:57:110:57:17

that is trying to think for them.

They requested it, we performed,

0:57:170:57:21

that is the end of the story for me.

They have covered it with this

0:57:210:57:25

notion of what pole dancing is, we

have proved time and time again that

0:57:250:57:29

pole dancing is far more diverse and

here we are, with people who you

0:57:290:57:34

would assume would maybe frown upon

it or have connotations of it and

0:57:340:57:37

they are not, they are so

open-minded and we can learn from

0:57:370:57:41

those burdens.

Some, there has been

criticism of it being too sexual, do

0:57:410:57:44

you take that on board?

When it

comes down to it, it is very much a

0:57:440:57:49

fitness thing, you can do it in

different styles but this kind of

0:57:490:57:53

performance was fitness -based, very

acrobatic spaced, so in that respect

0:57:530:57:56

it is not so much sexualised, it is

more of a sport, a performance. What

0:57:560:58:03

do you make of the creditors and? I

can always understand where the

0:58:030:58:06

criticism comes from but I think it

is now reminded. People don't take

0:58:060:58:10

into account the progression of

where we have come with the sport

0:58:100:58:13

and the different level that is

taken.

We can show our viewers some

0:58:130:58:17

pictures of you. Do you think part

of the criticism is down to the fact

0:58:170:58:23

that this is an elderly audience and

that is where people, some people

0:58:230:58:30

are saying it is inappropriate? Do

you think they would have responded

0:58:300:58:34

the same if it was a group of

younger people?

They probably would

0:58:340:58:37

not have responded the same way, no,

but in the same way elderly people

0:58:370:58:43

are people as well and they can have

their own fun.

You look like you are

0:58:430:58:49

having fun, very agile! How common

are male pole dancers?

Very common,

0:58:490:58:55

lots of competitions around the

world have male categories. In my

0:58:550:59:00

school, Pole Fit London, male

students take up 30 to 40% of the

0:59:000:59:03

overall student so it is quite

common to have men.

Do you get a

0:59:030:59:07

range of ages?

Absolutely, a range

of ages and body types, we get

0:59:070:59:12

everyone coming through our doors,

so we have kids classes, classes for

0:59:120:59:16

people that are as old as want to

take part, there is no limit in that

0:59:160:59:21

respect.

Eleanor, if we can get you

back again, is Alan is still there?

0:59:210:59:27

Yes, I near!

Are you planning to put

on any more events like this? Could

0:59:270:59:34

this be a new line of work for you,

performing at care homes across the

0:59:340:59:39

country?!

Absolutely! Why not?!

Let's liven them up!

Moving art and

0:59:390:59:46

craft and gardening to one side,

pole dancing seems to be the way

0:59:460:59:49

forward!

Thank you both for coming to talk to

0:59:490:59:52

us. If the Nichols, operations

manager from the care home, told us

0:59:520:59:56

in a statement, our residents

requested through regular meetings

0:59:560:59:59

with them that we include more

modern entertainment and activities.

0:59:591:00:03

Dementia residents and non-dementia

residents are really enjoyed the

1:00:031:00:07

artistic display of musicality and

gymnastic ability, and the Showcase

1:00:071:00:12

received overwhelming positive

feedback from relatives. Time to get

1:00:121:00:16

the latest weather.

1:00:161:00:22

As temperatures take a significant

dip through the weekend, any

1:00:221:00:27

physical activity would be a good

idea!

LAUGHTER

1:00:271:00:30

You may have heard about the beast

from the east, it means very cold

1:00:311:00:35

weather is on the way next week, in

fact, bitterly cold, when you factor

1:00:351:00:39

in the wind, daytime temperatures

for a time next week barely above

1:00:391:00:43

freezing, may feel like it is minus

and double figures with the wind

1:00:431:00:47

chill, and snow in the forecast for

eastern areas. That is next week.

1:00:471:00:53

This weekend, it is all quiet

compared with that, and lots of

1:00:531:00:58

sunshine this weekend, but protect

yourself against the cold wind, very

1:00:581:01:01

much part of the weather. Is breezy

out there, southern and western

1:01:011:01:07

parts in particular, some areas of

cloud particularly through the

1:01:071:01:09

eastern side of England, one or two

light showers. Rather cloudy. Many

1:01:091:01:17

places will have good breaks, cloud

allowing some of the sunshine to

1:01:171:01:21

come through, temperatures around

three to six Celsius, factoring in

1:01:211:01:23

the breeze, and feeling colder than

that. Coming through tonight, large

1:01:231:01:28

holes in the cloud will allow the

temperature to get away for a

1:01:281:01:31

widespread frost, this morning

starting at -7, rural Oxfordshire.

1:01:311:01:37

Tomorrow morning, some spots will be

as low as that, Northern Ireland may

1:01:371:01:40

stay above that, cloud and breeze

here. For many of us, cold, frosty

1:01:401:01:46

start to the weekend. Saturday,

sunshine to come, some cloud around,

1:01:461:01:51

maybe Northern Ireland, far

south-west of England, for most

1:01:511:01:55

places, there will be a lot of

sunshine to come, not doing anything

1:01:551:01:59

for the temperature, getting cold on

Sunday and into next week.

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Hello it's Friday, it's 10

o'clock, I'm Tina Daheley.

1:02:061:02:08

Mistakes made in the medication

given to patients in England

1:02:081:02:10

could be the cause of 17-hundred

deaths a year.

1:02:101:02:12

The Health Secretary says

the government is investing

1:02:121:02:14

in online e-prescriptions

to prevent mistakes.

1:02:141:02:16

We'll be speaking to a patient

who ended up overdosing

1:02:161:02:18

after being given the wrong amount

of her medication.

1:02:181:02:22

Today we are investing money to help

hospitals progress, around only one

1:02:241:02:28

quarter have those systems in place

at the moment.

1:02:281:02:33

We'll be speaking to a patient

who ended up overdosing

1:02:331:02:36

after being given the wrong amount

of her medication.

1:02:361:02:38

From fighting fit,

to fighting for his life,

1:02:381:02:40

a mystery virus left former England

footballer Andy Cole in need

1:02:401:02:42

of a kidney transplant.

1:02:421:02:43

His nephew Alexander stepped

in and saved his life

1:02:431:02:45

by donating one of his.

1:02:451:02:48

Going into the hospital and seeing

all the different people having

1:02:481:02:52

whatever problems they had, that's

changed my perspective. Knowing you

1:02:521:02:55

can change someone's life, if you do

pass away, and leave organs to

1:02:551:03:00

someone else, I think that has been

a big thing for me, definitely.

1:03:001:03:07

Today, MPs will debate changing the

law so that presumed consent on

1:03:071:03:11

organ transplant can be made legal.

650 acid attacks last year, we will

1:03:111:03:19

be finding out why this crime is on

the rise. Snapchat loses £1 billion

1:03:191:03:26

from stock market value as one of

its most influential users, Kylie

1:03:261:03:29

Jenner, tweets that she no longer

uses the social media site.

1:03:291:03:39

A study has found that mistakes made

in the medication for patients in

1:03:481:03:52

England could be the cause of 1700

deaths every year and contribute to

1:03:521:03:57

thousands more, the report

commissioned by the government says

1:03:571:03:59

the number of drugs errors totalled

237 million cases every year, the

1:03:591:04:03

health and social care secretary

Jeremy Hunt says the government is

1:04:031:04:09

investing in computer system that

would help to prevent mistakes.

1:04:091:04:18

An armed officer who

was at a Florida school

1:04:181:04:20

when 17 people were killed

1:04:201:04:21

has failed to intervene

in the incident and has

1:04:211:04:23

resigned subsequently.

1:04:231:04:25

Scot Peterson was facing suspension

after an investigation revealed

1:04:251:04:27

he remained outside the building

and did not confront the gunman.

1:04:271:04:29

It's not yet known whether criminal

charges will be brought.

1:04:291:04:33

A fourth British tourist has died

of injuries he suffered

1:04:331:04:36

in a helicopter crash

in the Grand Canyon

1:04:361:04:37

nearly a fortnight ago.

1:04:371:04:38

Jonathan Udall, who was in his

30s and from Brighton,

1:04:381:04:41

was on honeymoon with his wife,

Ellie Milward when

1:04:411:04:43

the accident happened.

1:04:431:04:44

His family has been

told of his death.

1:04:441:04:51

Detectives investigating two murders

in Camden earlier this week have

1:04:571:04:59

arrested an 18-year-old man.

1:04:591:05:00

He was arrested in Camden

on suspicion of two counts

1:05:001:05:02

of murder and one count

of grievous bodily harm.

1:05:021:05:05

The police say both murders

are being treated as linked,

1:05:051:05:07

and are appealing for information

1:05:071:05:11

Theresa May is understood to have

agreed with senior ministers,

1:05:111:05:14

a position on Britain's future

relationship with the EU

1:05:141:05:16

during talks at Chequers yesterday.

1:05:161:05:17

Downing Street has given few

details but some of those

1:05:171:05:19

present have suggested that everyone

was happy with the outcome.

1:05:191:05:22

The Environment Secretary,

Michael Gove, said there

1:05:221:05:23

was a "very, very good atmosphere".

1:05:241:05:25

Number Ten says the Prime Minister

will set out "the way forward" next

1:05:251:05:28

week after a discussion by the full

Cabinet.

1:05:281:05:35

MPs will debate a bill which will

introduce a national opt out system

1:05:351:05:39

for organ donation in England, a

private members bill presented by

1:05:391:05:44

Labour MP Geoffrey Robinson will

mean that those who do not want to

1:05:441:05:46

donate organs will have do opt out,

the bill will need cross-party

1:05:461:05:50

support to have any chance of

progressing.

1:05:501:05:56

Sipping acidic drinks such as fruit

teas and flavoured water can wear

1:05:561:05:59

away teeth and damage the enamel.

1:05:591:06:00

A team at King's College London

found that drinking them

1:06:001:06:02

between meals and savouring them

for too long increased the risk

1:06:021:06:05

of tooth erosion from acid.

1:06:051:06:06

The research found the problem was

increasing as people snacked more.

1:06:061:06:13

Get in touch with us throughout the

morning, use the hashtag, Victoria

1:06:161:06:22

live, if you text us, you will be

charged at the standard network

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rate.

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Less than one hour away from the

crucial match for Team GB's women's

1:06:271:06:32

curlers at the Winter Olympics. BBC

One or online, we will see Great

1:06:321:06:36

Britain taking on Sweden for a place

in the gold-medal match. Skipper Eve

1:06:361:06:41

Muirhead and the team should be

confident, knocking out the

1:06:411:06:44

defending champions Canada in the

last match. Things will not be easy

1:06:441:06:47

for them, beaten by the Swedish ones

already during the round robin

1:06:471:06:51

phase. If the British win, it will

be one better than the bronze they

1:06:511:06:55

won in the Saatchi games four years

ago. And Switzerland have already

1:06:551:07:00

beaten Canada to take the bronze in

the men's medal match. Canada were

1:07:001:07:03

the defending champions and like

their women's team miss out on any

1:07:031:07:05

medal at all. Another athlete

representing the Olympic Athletes

1:07:051:07:09

from Russia has tested positive for

a banned substance at Pyeongchang.

1:07:091:07:11

The Russian Bobsleigh Federation has

confirmed Nadezhda Sergeeva, who

1:07:111:07:13

finished 12th in the two-woman bob,

is under investigation.

1:07:131:07:24

But, an extremely significant

gold medal overnight,

1:07:291:07:33

a first for an Olympic Athlete

from Russia, a stunning gold

1:07:331:07:39

in the Women's singles figure

skating for the 15-year-old

1:07:391:07:42

Alina Zagitova, who had a world

record score in her short programme

1:07:421:07:45

before an impeccable routine

in the free dance here.

1:07:451:07:47

Her training partner,

the Two-time reigning world champion

1:07:471:07:49

YEvgenia Medvedeva though,

clearly upset with her silver medal

1:07:491:07:51

as she was the favourite

going into it but a fanstic moment

1:07:511:07:54

for young Zagitova

and of course a slice

1:07:541:07:56

of Olymnpic history for her.

1:07:561:08:03

In the women's ski cross overnight,

Britain's Emily Sarsfield got

1:08:031:08:06

through her first heat on final's

day. That was thanks in part to a

1:08:061:08:10

big crash for one of her opponents.

But sadly, she was knocked out in

1:08:101:08:13

the next race. Still, a great

achievement from Emily given she's

1:08:131:08:15

had no funding and worked three jobs

just to compete at an Olympics.

To

1:08:151:08:26

eventually get here after upsets of

multiple knee surgeries and whatever

1:08:261:08:29

else it might be, and working three

jobs in the summer and staff, it is

1:08:291:08:34

huge to be stood on the line and the

big thing is to have fun. Ski cross

1:08:341:08:40

is such a good sport, I hope I have

put it on the map, that is what I

1:08:401:08:45

wanted to do.

Emily did not make it

but there was a brilliant final, in

1:08:451:08:52

the ski cross as Canada continued

their dominance of the event. First

1:08:521:08:55

and second place for them - Kelsey

Serwa and Brittany Phelan with gold

1:08:551:08:57

and silver.

1:08:571:09:05

Away from South Korea, Celtic boss

Brendan Rodgers claimed his team

1:09:051:09:07

needed to have more courage but they

will learn from the experience as

1:09:071:09:13

they crashed out of the Europa

League after a 3-1 aggregate defeat

1:09:131:09:16

against Zenit St Petersburg. Celtic

had led 1-0 from the first leg, but

1:09:161:09:21

conceded three goals in a

disappointing performance. Despite

1:09:211:09:23

67% of possession on the night, they

lacked a cutting edge. With Rodgers

1:09:231:09:28

saying his team needed to show more

bravery to play more positively

1:09:281:09:31

going forward. Arsenal survived a

scare in their last 32 type, now six

1:09:311:09:35

years in a row they have lost the

home leg of their European tie,

1:09:351:09:46

going 2-0 down at home against

Swedish opposition Ostersunds.

1:09:461:09:53

Thanks to their 3-0 first leg lead

and that goal from Cor Kolasinac,

1:09:531:09:57

they went through, 4-2, on

aggregate. -- Sead

1:09:571:10:05

Kolasinac.

Bravo to the pole dancer

that was just on, says one viewer,

1:10:051:10:10

if I was in a care home I would much

rather see that then listened to an

1:10:101:10:14

inept musician or boring speaker who

would think that because we are old,

1:10:141:10:19

we must be prepared to put up with

mediocrity chosen for us.

1:10:191:10:22

Descriptions as well, Jeremy Hunt

has been in charge of the NHS for

1:10:221:10:27

almost eight years, all failings are

as a direct result of his inaction

1:10:271:10:31

or action, says one viewer. It fits

in with his agenda of privatisation

1:10:311:10:38

through the back door, suddenly the

idea will come an outside private

1:10:381:10:41

company to come in and address these

issues. Keep your messages come in.

1:10:411:10:55

Too many mistakes and

too many lives lost.

1:10:571:10:59

And it's got to stop.

1:10:591:11:00

That's what the Health

Secretary, Jeremy Hunt,

1:11:001:11:01

has told this programme.

1:11:021:11:03

He's concerned about the findings

of new research showing that GPs,

1:11:031:11:05

pharmacists, hospitals and care

homes in England may be making

1:11:051:11:08

millions of errors a year

and could be a factor in more

1:11:081:11:10

than 22,000 deaths.

1:11:111:11:12

Mr Hunt told me this level of harm

is appalling and he's going to act.

1:11:121:11:15

Louise Fenner-Jiggins

got in touch with us

1:11:151:11:17

because she says her,

Nan Shirley Wardell, was overdosed

1:11:171:11:19

by mistake when in hospital.

1:11:191:11:20

We are doing a lot of things but it

is important to reassure our

1:11:201:11:24

viewers, that this report is clear

that the NHS error rates are not

1:11:241:11:31

higher than elsewhere, than in the

US or other EU countries.

One in

1:11:311:11:35

five when it comes to prescriptions

is high.

Far too high, between four

1:11:351:11:40

and five people die every single day

because of these errors. So what are

1:11:401:11:47

we doing? We know that if we move to

electronic systems rather than

1:11:471:11:50

paper-based that we still have in

many hospitals, you can eliminate

1:11:501:11:54

around half of errors.

How far are

you with that?

Today we announce the

1:11:541:11:59

next £75 million to help hospitals

progress, at the moment it is around

1:11:591:12:03

a quarter of hospitals that have

those systems in place. But they

1:12:031:12:08

create the Czechs, for example, if

you try to give a drug to a pregnant

1:12:081:12:13

woman that could damage the foetus,

then you will get a contrary

1:12:131:12:17

indication when you get that. --

checks. That means 75% of hospitals

1:12:171:12:21

at the moment do not have electronic

processing in place? Yes, and that

1:12:211:12:25

is what we want to put right, we

want all hospitals to move to that,

1:12:251:12:29

but if you talk to doctors,

pharmacists, nurses on the front

1:12:291:12:33

line, they have another worry, and

that is that the culture is wrong,

1:12:331:12:37

that if they make a mistake where

they are prescribing medicine,

1:12:371:12:41

bringing down someone's dosage, and

they admit it, they could get fired.

1:12:411:12:45

Or they could suffer a criminal

prosecution, and so the other thing

1:12:451:12:52

we need to do is get the culture

right, to recognise that there is

1:12:521:12:56

going to be ordinarily human errors.

Those are just words, in a way, in a

1:12:561:13:03

sense, having this conversation

right now today, the focus being on

1:13:031:13:05

how many mistakes are being made by

GPs in care homes and hospitals,

1:13:051:13:09

could only serve to increase blame

culture?

Not at all, what we are

1:13:091:13:15

doing today is not just words, we

are decriminalising, dispensing

1:13:151:13:20

errors by pharmacists, which is

something pharmacists have long

1:13:201:13:24

thought creates the wrong culture.

Pharmacists says, I made a mistake,

1:13:241:13:30

you say there will not be

prosecuted?

As long as it is a

1:13:301:13:37

reasonable mistake, human errors,

yes, as long as it is not gross

1:13:371:13:41

negligence. We want to look at more

generally how we move in the NHS

1:13:411:13:45

from a blame culture to a learning

culture.

1:13:451:13:51

This just in, in my past life I was

a pharmacy tech in a well-known

1:13:511:13:56

London hospital, the pressure put on

technicians and pharmacists is

1:13:561:14:00

awful, waiting times, patients not

being patient, waiting for proper

1:14:001:14:04

checks, patients,

1:14:041:14:05

nurses and doctors need to be more

patient and then there would be

1:14:051:14:10

fewer errors. We can speak now with

Louise and her grandmother, she says

1:14:101:14:15

she was overdosed by mistake while

in hospital.

1:14:151:14:27

Tell us what happened?

Last Tuesday

my grandmother was admitted to

1:14:301:14:34

Kingston Hospital with pneumonia,

while she was in the care of

1:14:341:14:37

Kingston Hospital, from Tuesday, she

received four doses, of double her

1:14:371:14:42

usual epilepsy tablet she has been

taking four years, the issue came to

1:14:421:14:49

attention when my grandfather

noticed that the nurse who was

1:14:491:14:52

dispensing medication had two

tablets instead of one, and so we

1:14:521:14:57

were very concerned at the fact this

had not even been picked up on by

1:14:571:15:00

the hospital until my grandfather

noticed himself.

What was the

1:15:001:15:04

response from the hospital when you

told them?

1:15:041:15:06

First of all they said my grandad

was wrong, that they had the correct

1:15:111:15:15

dosage. She did then go to

investigate and the doctor came back

1:15:151:15:18

very quickly and said, I'm sorry but

there has been a terrible error, to

1:15:181:15:22

which then the prescription was

changed, but by which point my Nan

1:15:221:15:26

had received four times what she

should have done and had some really

1:15:261:15:29

nasty, severe side effects from it

which could have got a lot worse had

1:15:291:15:32

the time gone on even longer.

Surely, it sounds awful, what

1:15:321:15:39

happened. Can you tell us about last

Tuesday from your perspective?

I

1:15:391:15:42

don't remember a lot about it,

actually, because I wasn't well

1:15:421:15:46

anyway, so I only know that they

overdosed me.

My Nan cannot remember

1:15:461:15:52

a lot, that was part of the problem,

she was hallucinating, she did not

1:15:521:15:56

know where she was, she had a lot of

side-effects and that was part of

1:15:561:15:59

it, she cannot remember what

happened.

How do you feel about what

1:15:591:16:05

we are hearing today, this report,

the data that has been released,

1:16:051:16:09

telling us there are potentially

millions of mistakes being made

1:16:091:16:11

every year?

Personally I think it is

disgusting. At the end of the day,

1:16:111:16:18

these people have other people's

lives in their hands. I am a

1:16:181:16:23

secondary school teacher myself,

duty empathetically those working in

1:16:231:16:26

the NHS, I know what it is like to

work in a stressful environment and

1:16:261:16:30

under pressure and I understand

everybody has a hard job to do, but

1:16:301:16:33

at the same time these mistakes

should not be made. Somebody needs

1:16:331:16:37

to be held accountable for what they

are doing and luckily in our

1:16:371:16:42

instance the consequences were not

as dire as they could before

1:16:421:16:45

somebody else. But it is scary that

this is still happening in today's

1:16:451:16:48

H.

Shirley, how do you feel about

what we are hearing today in the

1:16:481:17:01

news that lots of errors are being

made, one in five prescriptions

1:17:011:17:04

could be a mistake?

When you are in

hospital and see some of them

1:17:041:17:10

walking and they don't know what

they are doing with the tablets and

1:17:101:17:13

that, you know...

We asked the

Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt, to

1:17:131:17:20

comment on your situation, we put

your question to him on your behalf.

1:17:201:17:23

Here is what he said.

We need to

make sure we learn from those kinds

1:17:231:17:28

of mistakes because, as you said at

the start, they happened far too

1:17:281:17:31

often and at the moment very often

we are not because people are

1:17:311:17:35

worried if they are open about them

there will be consequences, so that

1:17:351:17:38

is the first thing we are doing. The

second thing is we are employing

1:17:381:17:43

2000 pharmacists to work in GP

surgeries because I don't know if it

1:17:431:17:47

was the case in that particular

story but very often these problems

1:17:471:17:50

happen with older people with

dementia who are on a cocktail of

1:17:501:17:56

drugs which sometimes don't work

well together and what you need to

1:17:561:17:59

do is get an experienced pharmacist

to look at the combinations of drugs

1:17:591:18:03

to say, actually, we need to take

two of those two drugs because they

1:18:031:18:06

could conflict with some of the

other drugs you are taking.

In

1:18:061:18:10

Louise's case, what would you say?

You are right, this is a terrible

1:18:101:18:15

problem, much more widespread than

we thought. But the World Health

1:18:151:18:20

Organization said today that the NHS

is taking the lead in trying to

1:18:201:18:24

tackle these problems and we

certainly want to halve the number

1:18:241:18:27

of medication errors over the next

five years.

Shirley, are you

1:18:271:18:33

convinced by Jeremy Hunt's response?

I don't know, really. I really don't

1:18:331:18:38

know.

That they are tackling the

problem, the NHS is trying to change

1:18:381:18:45

the culture and they are dealing

with this.

They say that, then

1:18:451:18:51

nothing happens, does it?

I think

the issue is that people do need to

1:18:511:18:56

be held accountable for their

actions. It is not enough to say, we

1:18:561:19:00

are spending this money, that money,

it is down to what you do and how

1:19:001:19:04

you change it, and halving the

incidence is not good enough, they

1:19:041:19:07

should not happen at all. I accept

human errors happen, we are all

1:19:071:19:13

human, but when you are dealing with

something as important as this,

1:19:131:19:16

people must be held accountable for

what they are doing.

There will be

1:19:161:19:21

people watching who work in care

homes, hospitals, they may be

1:19:211:19:26

pharmacists, doctors, they may feel

frustrated that, again, they are the

1:19:261:19:29

focus of blame when they are working

on the front line, working in an

1:19:291:19:34

environment which is under

resourced, understaffed, lacking

1:19:341:19:38

money, and yet again the finger of

blame is being pointed towards them?

1:19:381:19:43

As I say, I empathise with them, it

is very hard, but, as I say, I am

1:19:431:19:49

accountable as a teacher for the

outcomes and results of my students,

1:19:491:19:52

they have to be held accountable for

what their job is and ultimately

1:19:521:19:56

their job is dealing with medication

for these people and they must be

1:19:561:19:59

held accountable for what they are

doing.

What do you think about the

1:19:591:20:03

point Jeremy Hunt made, the Health

Secretary, about blame culture,

1:20:031:20:07

getting away from that where people

are able to admit they made mistakes

1:20:071:20:11

which they can then go on to learn

from, instead of hiding them or

1:20:111:20:19

covering them up?

I think it is much

better than hiding them, obviously,

1:20:191:20:22

but we have to make sure that

ultimately they can learn from it

1:20:221:20:24

and that the mistakes don't continue

to happen. We should not be hiding

1:20:241:20:29

it but, as I keep saying it and I

will always say, there has to be

1:20:291:20:33

accountability, so whilst they

should not necessarily lose their

1:20:331:20:36

jobs, we are all human, mistakes do

happen, they have to be picked up on

1:20:361:20:40

and they have to learn from it,

there has to be some sort of outcome

1:20:401:20:43

to it, that is what we are seeking

for my Nan, we know what has

1:20:431:20:47

happened based on her experience,

something is happening and it is not

1:20:471:20:50

allowed to be brushed under the

carpet and forgotten about.

Louise,

1:20:501:20:55

Shirley, thank you for coming onto

the programme to talk about what

1:20:551:20:58

happened with you.

A couple of you have sent in

1:20:581:21:01

messages.

I got my first Ypres description a

1:21:011:21:05

few weeks ago, the consultant

prescribed mild steroid and an error

1:21:051:21:09

in transcription meant the drug I

received was different, not the drug

1:21:091:21:12

I was supposed to be given, not a

good idea for someone waiting for a

1:21:121:21:17

new hip having mobility issues.

Alan has e-mailed, my wife and I get

1:21:171:21:22

several repeat prescriptions every

month and each month the boxes

1:21:221:21:25

change and are different colours and

shapes, the tablets themselves can

1:21:251:21:36

be different colours, sizes and

shapes, it can be very confusing. I

1:21:361:21:39

assume the pharmacy just supplies

whatever they can get cheapest.

1:21:391:21:41

Being attacked with acid

is a difficult thing

1:21:411:21:42

to imagine for most of us,

but a growing number

1:21:421:21:45

of people are being affected.

1:21:451:21:46

New figures obtained by 5Live

Investigates show there were 646

1:21:461:21:48

acid attacks in England and Wales

last year, over three times

1:21:481:21:51

higher than in 2013.

1:21:511:21:52

The BBC sent Freedom of Information

requests to 46 police

1:21:521:21:55

forces across the country,

asking for the number of acid

1:21:551:21:57

attacks in recent years.

1:21:571:21:59

25 forces responded

to that request in full.

1:21:591:22:02

Along with 5Live Investigates,

we brought together two acid attack

1:22:021:22:06

survivors with very different

stories to talk about the impact

1:22:061:22:09

the attacks have had,

and are still having,

1:22:091:22:11

on their lives.

1:22:111:22:16

My name is Adele, and in 2014 my ex

paid someone to chuck acid over me.

1:22:161:22:31

My name is Gibaud Hussein and I was

a victim of an acid attack last

1:22:311:22:37

year. Someone threw acid on my face

on the street while I was riding my

1:22:371:22:42

method.

I was attacked three and a half

1:22:421:22:50

years ago, almost four, August 2000

and 14. My ex-partner paid someone

1:22:501:22:54

to chuck acid over me. I was on my

way to work, 8:30am when this guy

1:22:541:23:02

came towards me, shaking a bottle. I

remember feeling wary as he walked

1:23:021:23:06

past me because he looked me in the

eye and gave me a look, that is when

1:23:061:23:09

he chucked the acid. Half the head

of hair, my right ear, all my right

1:23:091:23:18

side. My first thing was, oh, my

God, he has chucked water over me.

1:23:181:23:23

Seconds later it was burning and it

felt like I was melting.

I was

1:23:231:23:31

working for number at the time, food

delivery -- working flat Uber. I had

1:23:311:23:38

just finished my work and was going

home will stop I heard the sound of

1:23:381:23:42

water on my helmet on the left-hand

side. I looked to the left and

1:23:421:23:47

soared two boys with the mask on and

I jumped on my bike, left my bike on

1:23:471:23:51

the street. It was burning on my

face. One of the ladies who was

1:23:511:23:57

passing by, she just asked me what

happened. When she saw me, I was

1:23:571:24:03

just lying down on the pavement and

I started crying like a baby, I have

1:24:031:24:07

never cried like that. They started

putting water on me.

Where is it

1:24:071:24:16

hurting, in your eyes? We need to

try and get water in your eyes. Eyes

1:24:161:24:23

open, OK?

Yeah, I kept crying for

water as well, just the initial

1:24:231:24:32

thing, I would feel it burning,

someone came running out of their

1:24:321:24:36

house with a bucket of water, then I

just remember smoking, for me that

1:24:361:24:40

kind of started a reaction again and

it was all over me, I looked down,

1:24:401:24:44

didn't have a bra, it was all

burned, everywhere, I can still

1:24:441:24:49

smell that smell now, it is a smell

that I cannot describe. If I did not

1:24:491:24:54

have the water over me, I would have

been blind. That water was a

1:24:541:24:58

blessing.

It was burning on my

chest, there was pain all over my

1:24:581:25:07

body, so I had to sleep.

I was in

hospital for six weeks, I had skin

1:25:071:25:19

grafts, they took it from my side.

My right hand, my right arm, the

1:25:191:25:23

right side of my head, this hair is

fake. I lost my ear and my neck, and

1:25:231:25:29

then my chest.

1:25:291:25:33

We can speak now to Simon Harding,

a criminologist who's currently

1:25:331:25:36

researching acid attacks

at Middlesex University.

1:25:361:25:37

Janette Collins, who runs The Crib,

a youth project in Hackney.

1:25:371:25:42

And Ayesha Nayyar, a lawyer

who represents acid attack victims.

1:25:421:25:46

Thank you for joining us on the

programme. Simon, what do you think

1:25:461:25:51

is behind the rise?

It is

interesting, acid attacks that we

1:25:511:25:56

experience in the UK is really quite

different from other areas around

1:25:561:26:00

the world. If you look at India,

Pakistan, Jamaica, Colombia,

1:26:001:26:07

Indonesia, you tend to find acid

attacks are men throwing acid over

1:26:071:26:13

women, usually because the women

have exercised their decision-making

1:26:131:26:16

power.

They are to do with honour?

To do with honour and domestic

1:26:161:26:23

violence. Here, less so. We have

seen a shift in how acid attacks are

1:26:231:26:28

presenting in this country. They

have traditionally been used as a

1:26:281:26:34

kind of last resort, perhaps a

revenge attack, that type of thing,

1:26:341:26:37

but we now find it is much more

casual, and certainly people will be

1:26:371:26:43

aware of the incidents in London

over the past year that grabbed the

1:26:431:26:47

headlines over the summer, young

boys sometimes gang affiliated

1:26:471:26:51

casually using and throwing acid,

sometimes to incapacitate people so

1:26:511:26:58

they can then go on to rob them of

their wallet, the phone, even their

1:26:581:27:04

mopeds. So it is a change in the

type of victim and also a change in

1:27:041:27:10

the age of the offender, so much

younger than ever before.

Janet, is

1:27:101:27:16

this about also, as well as using

acid in attacks, is is also about

1:27:161:27:21

people carrying acid in the way they

might have carried a knife before?

I

1:27:211:27:27

understand what my friend is saying

here, but I have not seen that

1:27:271:27:32

rising acid attacks when it comes to

the young people we have been

1:27:321:27:36

working with, and we work with some

hard to reach young people as well.

1:27:361:27:40

When we are doing our knife -based

workshop, we introduce acid attacks

1:27:401:27:46

in there but a lot of the young

people I have spoken do have not

1:27:461:27:49

really seen it as a big issue is how

we, the adults, are seeing it. I

1:27:491:27:56

think sometimes, I do understand

they were doing it on the mopeds,

1:27:561:28:00

but sometimes when we start pushing

things over to young people it can

1:28:001:28:03

create a problem with young people.

If I think you are carrying acid and

1:28:031:28:08

I am going to go into a certain

area, I am going to have to carry

1:28:081:28:12

acid myself. Sometimes I think we

fuel the fire.

Who is fuelling the

1:28:121:28:17

fire, because some people have made

this argument that the more the

1:28:171:28:19

media talks about it, we see it in

the papers and on TV, it in a way

1:28:191:28:24

encourages it, but also if we are

hearing that the number of attacks

1:28:241:28:27

have tripled, what do you put that

down to?

Has it tripled in the sense

1:28:271:28:32

of young people using acid as a new

form of violence towards another

1:28:321:28:38

young person?

Your area of

expertise?

It can lead to what we

1:28:381:28:44

call a bird expert -- escalation.

Approximately half of the incident

1:28:441:28:49

in London occurred in the east of

London so there is some significant

1:28:491:28:52

event taking place there and it is

possible that young people who have

1:28:521:28:58

adopted this or learned it through

social media, it is effectively

1:28:581:29:04

leading to escalation within that

neighbourhood, so one gang start

1:29:041:29:07

using it, another rival gang

starts...

I totally agree with that,

1:29:071:29:12

I understand that.

Let's bring in

Ayesha. What kind of sentence can

1:29:121:29:16

you expect for carrying out an acid

attack or even carrying acid?

It

1:29:161:29:20

depends what you are doing with the

acid. If you are carrying acid you

1:29:201:29:24

can be charged with the offence of

possession of a weapon which carries

1:29:241:29:28

a maximum four-year prison sentence.

The same as carrying a knife?

It is,

1:29:281:29:33

yes. If you throw acid, if you miss

your victim you can be charged with

1:29:331:29:38

throwing a corrosive liquid with

intent to maim, disfigure or cause

1:29:381:29:44

grievous bodily harm. That does

carry a maximum life sentence in

1:29:441:29:48

prison. If you throw acid and you

hit your victim, you can be charged,

1:29:481:29:52

likely to be charged with grievous

bodily harm which, again, carries a

1:29:521:29:56

maximum life sentence in prison. If

you compare that with knife crime,

1:29:561:30:00

if you use a knife you are likely to

be charged with attempted murder. If

1:30:001:30:04

you use acid and throw it, you are

likely to be charged, cases we have

1:30:041:30:13

had in the past, you are likely to

be charged with grievous bodily

1:30:131:30:16

harm.

So are you saying the law

needs to be tougher?

I think the

1:30:161:30:19

framework is there, even if you are

charged with grievous bodily harm

1:30:191:30:21

the framework is there to receive a

maximum life sentence in prison but

1:30:211:30:26

that has not happened to date. The

Arthur Collins case in 2017 was the

1:30:261:30:31

largest acid attack in the country,

he was charged with five counts of

1:30:311:30:35

grievous bodily harm, nine counts of

assault, 14 counts, he got a 20 year

1:30:351:30:40

prison sentence. He did not get life

in prison. I know the case that is

1:30:401:30:45

going to trial, sorry, being

sentenced next week where -- next

1:30:451:30:48

month whether young mopeds driver

threw acid on six victims, the

1:30:481:30:54

victims are pushing for life

sentencing to be passed.

Sentencing

1:30:541:30:57

is one thing but also the charge,

grievous bodily harm as opposed to

1:30:571:31:01

attempted murder in the case of a

knife attack, toughening up the law,

1:31:011:31:06

do you think that would act as a

deterrent and see the numbers come

1:31:061:31:10

down?

Definitely, remember at the

moment there is no crime of

1:31:101:31:13

possession for acid, if you are

caught in a knife you are charged

1:31:131:31:16

with the crime of possession. If the

police stop you with acid, they have

1:31:161:31:20

to prove you intended to use it and

criminals are aware of that, as a

1:31:201:31:25

statistic, they know if they stopped

carrying acid, the police have to

1:31:251:31:29

prove they intend to use it which

threshold, as opposed to knife

1:31:291:31:38

crime. So something needs to be done

about introducing a crime of

1:31:381:31:40

possession for acid, that would go

some way to stopping the carrying of

1:31:401:31:43

acid in the country at the moment.

And we know the Government is

1:31:431:31:46

reviewing legislation around

carrying corrosive substances. Thank

1:31:461:31:48

you all for joining us this morning.

1:31:481:31:50

In a statement,

the Home Office said...

1:31:501:31:52

"The perpetrators of these sickening

attacks can already face up to life

1:31:521:31:55

imprisonment on conviction.

1:31:551:31:56

An action plan was set up

by the Home Secretary last year

1:31:561:31:59

to tackle the use of corrosive

substances in violent attacks

1:31:591:32:01

and we are making good progress

on implementing this."

1:32:011:32:04

substances in violent attacks and we

are making good progress on

1:32:041:32:06

implement in this. Still to come on

the programme: after Lily Allen

1:32:061:32:12

draws attention to the three day

London music festival with a

1:32:121:32:15

distinctively Male line-up, a new

initiative pledges to have a 50/50

1:32:151:32:22

gender balance across all live music

events. And the power of celebrity,

1:32:221:32:28

Kylie Jenner says that she is no

longer using Snapchat and Snapchat

1:32:281:32:32

promptly loses £1 billion from its

stock market value!

1:32:321:32:38

Time for the latest news,

here's Joanna Gosling.

1:32:461:32:47

A study has found that mistakes made

in the medication given to patients

1:32:471:32:50

in England could be the cause

of seventeen-hundred deaths a year,

1:32:501:32:53

and could contribute

to thousands more.

1:32:531:32:54

-- 1700.

1:32:541:32:58

The report commissioned

by the government said the number

1:32:581:33:00

of drug errors totals

237 million cases a year.

1:33:001:33:02

The Health and Social Care

Secretary, Jeremy Hunt,

1:33:021:33:04

said the government is investing

in computer systems that

1:33:041:33:06

would help prevent mistakes.

1:33:061:33:07

A fourth British tourist has died

of injuries he suffered

1:33:071:33:10

in a helicopter crash

in the Grand Canyon

1:33:101:33:12

nearly a fortnight ago.

1:33:121:33:13

Jonathan Udall, who was in his

30s and from Brighton,

1:33:131:33:15

was on honeymoon with his wife,

Ellie Milward.

1:33:151:33:17

She and another British woman,

as well as the helicopter's pilot,

1:33:171:33:20

remain in a critical

condition in hospital.

1:33:201:33:25

An armed officer who was

at the Florida school,

1:33:251:33:27

where 17 people were killed,

has resigned after it emerged

1:33:271:33:30

he failed to intervene.

1:33:301:33:31

Scot Peterson was facing suspension

after an investigation

1:33:311:33:33

revealed he remained outside

the building and did not

1:33:331:33:35

confront the gunman.

1:33:351:33:36

It's not yet known whether criminal

charges will be brought

1:33:361:33:43

Detectives investigating two murders

in Camden earlier this week have

1:33:441:33:48

arrested an 18-year-old man.

1:33:481:33:52

He was arrested in Camden

on suspicion of two counts

1:33:521:33:54

of murder and one count

of grievous bodily harm.

1:33:541:33:56

The police say both murders

are being treated as linked,

1:33:561:33:59

and are appealing for information.

1:33:591:34:02

Sipping acidic drinks such as fruit

teas and flavoured water can wear

1:34:021:34:06

away teeth and damage the enamel.

1:34:061:34:07

A team at King's College London

found that drinking them

1:34:071:34:09

between meals and savouring them

for too long increased the risk

1:34:091:34:11

of tooth erosion from acid.

1:34:121:34:13

The research found the problem was

increasing as people snacked more.

1:34:131:34:21

Before we go to the sport, I want to

read you out a comment that has come

1:34:271:34:32

in from Stephen, 78, he has e-mailed

to ask, how can I book a place at

1:34:321:34:37

the care home(!) that is in response

to the story this morning about some

1:34:371:34:43

people criticising a care home which

showed pole dancing to its

1:34:431:34:48

residents. Slightly linked to sport,

apparently, pole dancing is on its

1:34:481:34:51

way to becoming a recognised sport,

potentially even an Olympic sport.

1:34:511:34:57

Potentially, I think it will be

quite a while before we see it at an

1:34:571:35:01

Olympic Games. Serious stuff out on

the ice to come. Team GB's women

1:35:011:35:07

face Sweden in the Semi final of the

Curling at the Winter Olympics in

1:35:071:35:09

around half an hour from now.

Britain will be confident, but face

1:35:091:35:18

a team that has beaten them once

already in Pyeongchang. The winner

1:35:181:35:20

will take home at least a silver

medal which would make it Britain's

1:35:201:35:23

most successful Winter Olympics.

Another Olympic Athlete from Russia

1:35:231:35:27

has tested positive for a banned

substance. Bobsleigh pilot Nadezhda

1:35:271:35:31

Sergeeva is one of 168 Russians

allowed to compete as neutrals,

1:35:311:35:33

despite the country being banned for

a state sponsored doping programme.

1:35:331:35:43

But there was a first gold of the

games for an Olympic Athlete from

1:35:451:35:47

Russia. It came in the Women's

singles figure skating as

1:35:471:35:49

15-year-old Alina Zagitova. She beat

her team-mate and favourite Yevgenia

1:35:491:35:52

Medvedeva. Arsenal are in the Europa

League last 32 draw later today,

1:35:521:35:54

despite losing at home to Ostersunds

of Sweden - a 2-1 defeat but a 4-2

1:35:541:35:57

aggregate win.

1:35:571:36:05

Wales already does it,

1:36:101:36:11

now organ donation could soon become

an opt-out system in England.

1:36:111:36:14

Today MPs are debating a bill

which wants the law to be changed

1:36:141:36:17

so medics would be able to assume

consent had been given

1:36:171:36:20

by a potential adult organ donor,

unless they've said otherwise.

1:36:201:36:22

The Former England footballer

Andy Cole is supporting the bill

1:36:221:36:24

after having a kidney transplant

in 2013 at the age of 43.

1:36:241:36:27

The kidney was donated by Andy's

nephew, Alexander Palmer.

1:36:271:36:29

I spoke to the pair earlier

in the programme about how

1:36:291:36:32

the transplant process

changed their lives.

1:36:321:36:38

I appreciate everything he has done

for me and what he has gone through,

1:36:521:36:55

the pain he has gone through,

to see me recover than Alex did

1:36:551:36:58

at the time because I remember

when I left hospital I left him

1:36:581:37:02

in the hospital.

1:37:021:37:03

I remember saying, if I could change

it, I would do, because I did not

1:37:031:37:06

want to see him in that pain,

first and foremost.

1:37:061:37:09

Fortunately he came

round and that is why we are sitting

1:37:091:37:11

in front of you now.

1:37:111:37:12

Alex, can you tell me

about the journey, Andy's journey

1:37:121:37:15

from the moment he was diagnosed

to the point where you decided

1:37:151:37:18

to donate your own kidney?

1:37:181:37:19

For me it was a straight away thing,

as soon as they told be

1:37:191:37:22

about the situation I said,

help, I am more than happy to help

1:37:221:37:25

stop a no-brainer for me.

1:37:251:37:35

And what was the process like,

how do you go about donating your

1:37:361:37:40

kidney, would you have decided

you wanted to help,

1:37:401:37:42

what happens next?

1:37:421:37:43

A lot of blood tests,

I had the test and once the test

1:37:431:37:46

came in and it is positive,

then it is the next stage,

1:37:461:37:50

not a simple process

but a process that is worthwhile.

1:37:501:37:51

Joining us now is 30-year-old

Jess Harris, who is waiting for both

1:37:551:37:58

a kidney and pancreas transplant.

1:37:581:37:59

Intensive care consultant

Dale Gardiner, who is also

1:37:591:38:01

the deputy clinical lead for organ

donation for the NHS

1:38:011:38:03

Blood and Transplant.

1:38:031:38:04

And Crispin Blunt, one of the MPs

who is debating the bill today.

1:38:041:38:07

How long have you been waiting?

I

have been active on the list since

1:38:071:38:12

September 15, 2017, five months on

the list.

Wide EU need a kidney and

1:38:121:38:17

pancreas transplant?

Type one

diabetic, since I was 12, 13 years

1:38:171:38:22

old. The impact of diabetes is...

There is a link between diabetes

1:38:221:38:29

type one and kidney disease, disease

kidney failure, if it develops.

That

1:38:291:38:34

is the point I am at. You are having

dialysis every day. I do PD dialysis

1:38:341:38:41

every night and every morning, from

my flat. What is it like for you,

1:38:411:38:47

day-to-day?

The dialysis was a

really big adjustment, I feel a lot

1:38:471:38:52

better than I did before I started

dialysis, but it is the last thing I

1:38:521:38:56

do before bed, first thing I do in

the morning before I wake up,

1:38:561:39:03

really.

How does it affect your

quality of life?

In terms of what

1:39:031:39:07

I'm able to do in between dialysis,

I feel generally better. I'm

1:39:071:39:13

grateful I have it. The kidney is

the only organ where you have

1:39:131:39:18

replacement therapy while you are

waiting for a kidney. But I don't

1:39:181:39:23

want to have to do it. All my

friends are travelling, if I have

1:39:231:39:28

been out with friends, I have to go

back and do it, if I do it before I

1:39:281:39:31

go out with friends, I am

uncomfortable the whole night. I

1:39:311:39:36

have not found a time when is the

optimal time.

Opting out, it is

1:39:361:39:43

being debated today, let's bring in

Crispin Blunt, dozens of MPs are

1:39:431:39:49

gathering, to debate the bill, why

are you taking part?

I'm one of the

1:39:491:39:54

supporters of the bill, 20 minutes

ago concluded his speech introducing

1:39:541:40:02

his speech to the house, he took a

lot of interventions, it is pretty

1:40:021:40:06

clear there is very strong support

for him, to get this bill onto the

1:40:061:40:10

statute book. Both from the

government front bench as well as

1:40:101:40:14

his own. Given that unanimity across

the house, I hope that we can get to

1:40:141:40:19

a place where we can start to

address the 500 people every year

1:40:191:40:26

unable to get a life-saving

transplant.

How much of an impact

1:40:261:40:29

will the opt out system have, for

bringing down the number of people

1:40:291:40:34

who are waiting for an organ

donation like Jess, waiting for a

1:40:341:40:38

kidney and a pancreas?

Exactly

right, wonderful opportunity here to

1:40:381:40:44

launch a conversation in the

country, as in intensive care

1:40:441:40:47

doctor, I have these really

difficult conversations with people.

1:40:471:40:51

People who are dying, with their

families, at the end of their life,

1:40:511:40:55

and what I know for a fact is the

family do not know what your wishes

1:40:551:41:00

are, they are just left in such

shock, and confusion. I am so

1:41:001:41:06

excited by these conversations, the

possibility of launching a

1:41:061:41:10

discussion through the country, so

that you can tell your family what

1:41:101:41:13

your wishes would be.

When you have

the difficult conversations with

1:41:131:41:18

people who have just lost a loved

one, it is that is when you need the

1:41:181:41:22

conversation to take place, in the

cases where people have said, no,

1:41:221:41:26

what do they say to you, how often

do they say that to you?

If you are

1:41:261:41:32

on the organ donor register, 38% of

the population, nine times out of

1:41:321:41:36

ten the families will support your

wish. If you are not on the

1:41:361:41:40

register, it is a 50/50 chance,

families are left uncertain because

1:41:401:41:45

they do not know what the wishes

would be. Through this discussion

1:41:451:41:48

and conversation and legislation,

there will be a chance that you will

1:41:481:41:53

be a donor unless you tell us you do

not want to be, and that will bring

1:41:531:41:57

a lot of comfort to families, that

they know their loved one would have

1:41:571:42:00

opted out if they wanted to.

Crispin

Blunt, this opt out system, 24

1:42:001:42:06

years, why has it taken the

government so long to be debating

1:42:061:42:09

this when other places have had it

longer?

I don't know why we have not

1:42:091:42:14

got round to this before, there was

some discussion with Jeffrey Benson

1:42:141:42:18

about the Chief Rabbi giving some

opposition to Gordon Brown when he

1:42:181:42:21

was Prime Minister, when he was

looking at bringing this measure in.

1:42:211:42:25

But there are, as I understand it,

only two religions, aroma and

1:42:251:42:29

Shintoism, who have fundamental

objection to this. There are

1:42:291:42:35

elements of Judaism who have

problems with it but all of this can

1:42:351:42:38

be addressed through an opt out

system. -- the Roma. This bill will

1:42:381:42:42

do a couple of important things, it

will put on the statute book that

1:42:421:42:46

you need to opt out in order to do

it but it will mean there is a

1:42:461:42:49

societal assumption that the right

thing to do is to make your organs

1:42:491:42:53

available to others, after your

death, and that then changes the

1:42:531:42:58

conversation with families as well.

It does...

I think that will make a

1:42:581:43:03

big difference.

It changes the

conversation but then there is added

1:43:031:43:07

pressure on families who have just

lost a loved one, to perhaps agree

1:43:071:43:11

to something they may not want.

They

will then be clear, if their

1:43:111:43:16

relative has opted out, then they

will no that there has been the

1:43:161:43:23

opportunity for their relative to

consider this when they were able to

1:43:231:43:26

do so and to opt out. That changes

the dynamic, a family suddenly faced

1:43:261:43:32

with this really difficult decision,

in that often, in circumstances of

1:43:321:43:38

sudden death, in a road traffic

accident, that kind of thing, when

1:43:381:43:42

those organs will be really useful

to a number of people, and it is an

1:43:421:43:48

agonising conversation for people to

have, if the whole national

1:43:481:43:50

conversation around it changes about

what the expectations are, and there

1:43:501:43:55

has been the opportunity for people

to opt out, that will make life

1:43:551:44:01

considerably easier for the doctor

we have just heard from, to have

1:44:011:44:04

those conversations and save lives.

Lots of people may be signed up,

1:44:041:44:10

decide whether they are willing to

donate their organs but in reality,

1:44:101:44:13

do you know what is the percentage,

how many organs can actually be

1:44:131:44:17

used?

One thing that is really

clear, only 1% of us will die in a

1:44:171:44:23

way where there is a possibility for

us to donate organs, that means you

1:44:231:44:27

have two die in an intensive care

unit, that is why you come across

1:44:271:44:30

doctors like myself, who after

trying to save your life will have

1:44:301:44:34

the terrible conversation with the

family. But if the family say yes,

1:44:341:44:39

and for me, this is the most

humbling moment of my intensive care

1:44:391:44:43

career, when you are with a grief

stricken family, and they look

1:44:431:44:46

beyond themselves to other people,

and they say that simple word, yes,

1:44:461:44:50

to help others, that is immensely

humbling. And when they do say yes,

1:44:501:44:56

and the donation does go ahead, they

can save and transform the lives of

1:44:561:45:00

up to eight or nine people, I have

heard stories like that over the

1:45:001:45:04

last few months, people helping to

save that many people, who saves

1:45:041:45:08

that many people in their whole

life?

Thank you.

1:45:081:45:12

Jess, how much difference would it

make to your life is someone donated

1:45:161:45:20

and you got the match?

It would

transform my life because I have

1:45:201:45:24

been on the list for five months but

even before I was activated on the

1:45:241:45:28

list, my life has been in limbo,

have not been able to work, to

1:45:281:45:31

travel, I get tired doing really

basic things, food shopping,

1:45:311:45:37

hospital appointments for me is

basically might activity for the

1:45:371:45:43

day, but it is important everyone

has that conversation or start

1:45:431:45:46

having that conversation so that

your wishes are known, so there is

1:45:461:45:51

no shock discovery at the end if

something were to happen. It is life

1:45:511:45:55

transforming and this vote... I have

got a few friends in similar

1:45:551:46:00

situations to myself, 6500 people

waiting for transplants, and it

1:46:001:46:04

would be an exciting day for people

like me if this vote goes through.

1:46:041:46:09

You are backing it?

100%, yes.

Thank

you for coming in and talking about

1:46:091:46:17

what happened to you.

1:46:171:46:18

Last month, Lily Allen

made a simple statement

1:46:181:46:20

with a tweet when the line-up

for London's Wireless

1:46:201:46:22

festival was announced.

1:46:221:46:23

It showed only three female

artists were set to perform

1:46:231:46:26

over the three days.

1:46:261:46:27

But a new initiative to be announced

next week is hoping to get gender

1:46:271:46:31

balance in the music industry.

1:46:311:46:33

30 music events have made

a pledge towards achieving

1:46:331:46:37

a 50/50 gender balance

across their festivals by 2022.

1:46:371:46:42

That includes live music line-ups,

conferences and commissions.

1:46:421:46:44

Before we get to the guests,

we thought we'd take a look at how

1:46:441:46:49

some of this summer's big festivals

are doing when it comes

1:46:491:46:51

to having female artists...

1:46:511:46:56

We looked at some of the big summer

festivals and removed all the male

1:46:561:47:05

artists and bands to see how many

female artists are on the line-up.

1:47:051:47:08

First up, Reading

and Leeds festival.

1:47:081:47:13

Headlined by Fall Out Boy, Kendrick

Lamar and Kings Of Leon.

1:47:131:47:16

We also did the same

with the Isle of Wight festival.

1:47:161:47:19

Again, taking out

all the male artists.

1:47:191:47:21

And we did the same

with Boardmasters,

1:47:211:47:22

which takes place in Cornwall.

1:47:221:47:25

In a statement, the organisers

of Boardmasters told us this

1:47:251:47:27

isn't the full line-up...

1:47:271:47:29

"But booking acts is a complex

process that needs to factor

1:47:291:47:33

in touring schedules,

the fast-paced and changing music

1:47:331:47:37

landscape and, of course, acts'

willingness to play the festival.

1:47:371:47:40

We don't see gender

as a defining factor."

1:47:401:47:48

We can speak now to Yaw Owusu,

who is the curator of

1:47:481:47:51

Liverpool International Music

Festival.

1:47:511:47:52

He also has a music label

and manages male and female artists.

1:47:521:47:55

Vanessa Reid, chief executive

of the PRS Foundation.

1:47:551:47:57

And rapper Little Simz.

1:47:571:48:03

Thank you all for joining us. Seems

to be the topic of the year, gender.

1:48:031:48:09

When it comes to booking artists for

the Festival, is gender something

1:48:091:48:14

you take into consideration or is

that a recent thing?

Not really, you

1:48:141:48:18

focus on the audience and the remit

of the Liverpool International Music

1:48:181:48:22

Festival is to reflect the music

people like and reflect the

1:48:221:48:25

ever-changing relationship Liverpool

has with music. So gender is not

1:48:251:48:29

really a factor, I don't lean

heavily to male or female, just what

1:48:291:48:34

people like. Our line-ups tend to be

very balanced in every single way

1:48:341:48:40

and that is just because I feel the

audience wants that and it is

1:48:401:48:43

important to do.

But you are leaving

it to fate, in a way, and if we are

1:48:431:48:48

seeing in the case of other

festivals, it is great that yours

1:48:481:48:51

ends up being balanced, but as we

have seen, so many are not and if we

1:48:511:48:55

take away the male artists from a

lot of the festival line-ups, you

1:48:551:48:58

only have a few female artists on

their?

That is why a product like

1:48:581:49:04

Key Change is so important, because

it forces the dialogue, forces the

1:49:041:49:10

conversation, so places where gender

balance is not so strong, hopefully

1:49:101:49:13

that changes.

Vanessa, your target,

as I understand it, is also 2020 to

1:49:131:49:19

achieve gender balance?

2022.

Why so

long?

I think that is a short amount

1:49:191:49:28

of time to achieve the change that

festivals have proposed was that

1:49:281:49:30

they want to achieve. We have been

working with festivals in Europe and

1:49:301:49:35

North America and supporting

emerging female artists and industry

1:49:351:49:39

professionals, but they said, let's

take this further, let's set up a

1:49:391:49:42

gender balanced pledge and because

last year I think on average women

1:49:421:49:48

made up 26% of the festival line-up

in the UK, so we are talking about

1:49:481:49:54

doubling the target in a five-year

time frame so I think that is quite

1:49:541:49:58

ambitious but also achievable, and

that is what we want to see, people

1:49:581:50:01

working together to achieve change

that I think everyone wants.

Is that

1:50:011:50:06

good enough, 2022 target?

I believe

so, yeah, for sure, and I believe it

1:50:061:50:11

is possible. Especially with my

festival and what I am trying to

1:50:111:50:18

achieve yearly, it seems to be

heading that way, so I think 2022

1:50:181:50:22

for sure.

Tell me about your

experience, being a female artist in

1:50:221:50:26

the industry, are you in a minority,

do you face bigger challenges, is it

1:50:261:50:30

the case, I don't know, that the

industry outside of artists, the

1:50:301:50:37

people making the big decisions, our

men, is that why women are not being

1:50:371:50:40

booked?

Yeah, but I also think it

boils down a lot to women are just

1:50:401:50:47

not being, I feel, played in terms

of the radio factor, all these

1:50:471:50:53

different factors that come into

play which it appears like...

Break

1:50:531:50:57

them down, what are they, radio the

first one?

For sure, myself, I am

1:50:571:51:03

unsigned, independent, so everything

is done in-house, there is not a

1:51:031:51:06

label or a big machine pushing me or

handing me these opportunities. I

1:51:061:51:12

played a bunch of festivals last

year which I actually found the

1:51:121:51:16

majority of them I was the only

woman on the line-up, or at least on

1:51:161:51:20

my stage, and with my festival, we

did the maths yesterday, it is 75%

1:51:201:51:28

women, which is insane to me. If I

am able to do that at my level, then

1:51:281:51:33

the big festivals are.

When you talk

about radio, you meal radio play,

1:51:331:51:37

female artists not being paid

enough?

Yeah, I think it is not as

1:51:371:51:41

much as it should be, in my opinion.

What is that down too, is it a

1:51:411:51:46

conscious or subconscious thing?

I

don't know, honestly, I have no

1:51:461:51:50

answer to that.

What about you as a

female artist making it in the

1:51:501:51:54

industry, what are the challenges?

Are any of them dictated by George

1:51:541:51:59

on the?

For sure, especially because

I wrap and rap is, some would say, a

1:51:591:52:04

male dominated sport. My gender has

come into play over the years, of

1:52:041:52:11

course, being the fact that I am

female, I am young, I am black, that

1:52:111:52:16

is the reality of the situation, and

I have found many challenges in

1:52:161:52:24

that, but I think over time as I

have grown and my family has grown,

1:52:241:52:27

people have taken to me.

He said a

female black artist in the industry,

1:52:271:52:33

being a rapper, what is your

response then when you see Stormzy

1:52:331:52:36

has made such a lot of progress,

picking up two big awards at the

1:52:361:52:40

Brits, his performance at the end

was being called iconic. Do you

1:52:401:52:45

think the next artist potentially

next year, the year after, will be a

1:52:451:52:49

female Stormzy, to achieve the same

amount of success?

Hopefully.

You,

1:52:491:52:55

possibly!

I hope so! Stormzy is a

good friend of mine, I have seen his

1:52:551:53:03

journey, so happy for his success at

the minute and it is what we need

1:53:031:53:07

and what young people need to see,

especially now, it is all these,

1:53:071:53:13

especially in my area, it is nice to

be able to see that real model and

1:53:131:53:18

be able to say, yeah, they have done

it and come from the same

1:53:181:53:23

environment as me, I am able to

achieve that, I am able to do good.

1:53:231:53:27

What, for you, would be a sign that

gender parity has been achieved in

1:53:271:53:32

the industry?

One thing about the

Key Change campaign, success is when

1:53:321:53:35

it is not needed any more so I hope

in five, ten years from now we will

1:53:351:53:40

be at a point when we don't need to

keep talking about this and the

1:53:401:53:43

stage is better reflect the

audiences they are serving, and I

1:53:431:53:50

think promoting a bowl models, as

Little Simz was saying, is

1:53:501:53:53

important. We saw Dua Lipa at the

Brits are accepting her reward and

1:53:531:53:57

talking about the people who

inspired her to take that step and

1:53:571:54:00

make such a success out of her

career so continuing to promote role

1:54:001:54:05

models on stage while investing in

talent is really important.

Thank

1:54:051:54:08

you for coming on to talk to us

today. A spokesperson from

1:54:081:54:12

Boardmasters told us...

We are always on the lookout for new

1:54:121:54:15

artists to perform at the festival

alongside the existing surf

1:54:151:54:19

competition featuring the world's

best male and female competitors.

1:54:191:54:24

This year's complete music line-up

1:54:241:54:34

is yet to play the festival. We

don't see gender as a defining

1:54:371:54:40

factor.

The MD of the company that runs the

1:54:401:54:46

Wireless festival said, 18 female

artists were approached to play but

1:54:461:54:49

only three were secured for the

first announcement, several were

1:54:491:54:52

unable to commit due to touring

schedules and other regions but in

1:54:521:54:56

an ideal world all 18 would be

confirmed and we would be having a

1:54:561:55:01

different conversation. I recognise

there is an imbalance in the music

1:55:011:55:04

industry and I am actively trying to

correct that with the Rebalance

1:55:041:55:09

programme I launched in August last

year.

1:55:091:55:13

Popular social media app Snapchat

lost one of it's most

1:55:131:55:15

influential users this week -

as well as £1 billion

1:55:151:55:17

from it's stock market value.

1:55:181:55:22

The reality TV star Kylie Jenner

tweeted to her 24 million followers

1:55:221:55:25

that she no longer uses Snapchat

after the new update.

1:55:251:55:30

She later professed her love for the

apps, calling at her first love.

1:55:301:55:36

The app's parent company Snap's

shares dropped by almost 8%.

1:55:361:55:38

One million people have signed

a petition demanding Snap change

1:55:381:55:41

the app back to how it was before

the update.

1:55:411:55:47

Let's speak to the technology

expert Tom Cheesewright.

1:55:471:55:52

Is the update really that bad, Tom?!

I think if you are used to a certain

1:55:521:55:57

way of doing things, and this is a

very tight community and particular

1:55:571:56:00

demographic, then any change is bad

change, just like when Facebook

1:56:001:56:04

changed its news feed a few years

ago, people react against it. Maybe

1:56:041:56:07

they will settle down, but not so

far.

For people who don't know about

1:56:071:56:12

Snapchat, what exactly was the

update and what was it that angered

1:56:121:56:17

people?

Two things, one is the move

towards bringing in more of the

1:56:171:56:22

brands, the publishers into the news

feed, and the second one is about

1:56:221:56:31

mixing those up with your friends'

stories, people found it harder to

1:56:311:56:33

see their friends' stories and

harder to navigate through that.

In

1:56:331:56:35

terms of generally the idea of

Snapchat in the first place was

1:56:351:56:38

people being able to post stories

that would then disappear after a

1:56:381:56:41

certain amount of time, how much of

Snapchat's success, or lack of,

1:56:411:56:47

depending on what you think, have

been influenced by Instagram

1:56:471:56:51

launching its own Insta stories?

There has been a constant battle

1:56:511:56:58

between them, Snapchat started to

claim more users recently and

1:56:581:57:02

forecast said that Facebook would

lose users to Snapchat but messages

1:57:021:57:07

that disappear don't create a great

model for generating revenue.

Again,

1:57:071:57:14

reading the papers today, the owner

has picked up something like a 450

1:57:141:57:18

million salary for last year?! That

is a lot of money! For a company who

1:57:181:57:23

shares have dropped.

It is very

stock related but the company also

1:57:231:57:29

posted record results, the share

price jumped 26% two weeks ago so an

1:57:291:57:33

8% fall is perhaps not so dramatic

in those terms.

What do you think

1:57:331:57:37

the future of Snapchat is?

I think

it has a hard slog against Facebook

1:57:371:57:42

which is rapid at copying its

beaches but if it can keep its core

1:57:421:57:47

of users and grow with people like

me, maybe Ed can succeed.

1:57:471:57:51

Thank you very much. I want to

finish on some comments, Abbey on

1:57:511:57:55

Facebook on organ donation says, why

would people donate organs? It is

1:57:551:57:59

selfish for families to say no

because, let's face it, they don't

1:57:591:58:02

need them any more. Families can

override donor card at the moment

1:58:021:58:07

which is wrong.

Graham tweeted to say the Government

1:58:071:58:10

is legalising body snatching. Let us

know the level of compensation if

1:58:101:58:16

organs are taken from dead patients

by mistake before they start this.

1:58:161:58:20

On Monday, Victoria will be

at a Pupil Referral Unit

1:58:201:58:22

for primary school pupils -

hearing from them, their parents

1:58:221:58:24

and teachers about how they're

trying to turn their lives around.

1:58:241:58:27

From me, though, thank

you for your company today.

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