27/02/2018 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello, it's Tuesday, it's 9 o'clock,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

welcome to the programme.

Our top story today: just one

centimetre of snow in parts

of the south east of England,

yet it's still causing traffic

chaos, with hundreds of trains

cancelled and many schools closed.

I have to go to work tomorrow.

My wife has to go to work.

So if one of us has to call

in sick, we lose the money

so hopefully the school

will be open.

We've waited for snow

for three years.

I'm desperate for it to snow!

In Northumberland, there's been

eight centimetres of snow.

We'll bring you the picture

from right around the country.

Also on the programme: we can reveal

that Facebook have funded a project

using their own Messenger app

to try to deradicalise extremists.

It's never going to be enough simply

to take down content

because there will always be either

grey areas, or more importantly,

there will be people who are tempted

and interested in that path,

regardless of what

content we take down.

And actually finding ways

to engage with those people

is really important.

We'll bring you the full

exclusive story shortly.

Plus, we had such an incredible

response from you to our programme

live from a pupil referral unit

yesterday, that today

we want to hear from you,

your experiences of PRUs,

whether you were taught at one

yourself or your child goes to one.

Please do get in touch throughout

the programme this morning

and we'll speak to some

of you on air after 10am.

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Throughout the morning we'll

have the latest breaking news

and developing stories.

A little later in the programme,

we'll be hearing how another 100

schoolgirls have been kidnapped

by the Boko Haram militant group

in Nigeria and asking why it isn't

leading to another massive outcry.

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Our top story today: snow is falling

across parts of the UK as cold air

begins to sweep in from Russia.

The Met Office has issued amber

warnings for large parts

of the south east and north

east of England.

Up to 10cm of snow is expected today

and as much as 20cm is predicted

in some parts of eastern England,

Scotland and Northern Ireland

by the end of Wednesday.

Drivers are being warned

they could face major disruption.

More than 200 trains

are no longer running,

while British Airways says over 60

flights have been cancelled.

We will hear from our correspondence

across the UK now.

Phil Bodmer is in Stamford Bridge

in East Yorkshire.

Tell us about the picture there.

Good morning, as you can see, it is

snowing again in Stamford Bridge on

the edge of the Yorkshire Moors and

it has been snowing off and on

throughout the morning. I have to

say, this area is right in the

middle of one of the amber weather

warning areas but we have not had

ten centimetres of snow predicted,

however, that is not to say we won't

get it because this snow is quite

heavy now. I have to say the main

A166 which links the Yorkshire coast

with the major centres of Yorkshire

like Leeds and yorkers remained

open, the gritting teams have been

out and we have seen snowploughs

this morning. -- and York has

remained. The main problem seems to

be an public transport and with the

airlines. If you are travelling

abroad, the advice is to check with

your airline. On the trains, Network

Rail are saying you should allow

extra time because they have been

running trains through the night to

clear the rails. On the roads,

Merseyside Police, the Northwest

motorway police and Lincolnshire

Police all report accidents on

treacherous surfaces and they are

warning drivers to take extra care.

Snow continuing to fall here in

Stamford Bridge. My colleague Robert

Hall is in Ashford in Kent.

Yes, we are right alongside the M20

so first of all, straight to

Sambadrome pictures we shot about an

hour ago to give you the general

situation, about five centimetres of

snow on the ground, just like in

Yorkshire, it is coming and going.

Kent County Council declared what

they called a snow emergency

yesterday, which basically meant

they got every available gritting

truck on the road and they alerted

farmers with snowploughs so the

country roads were covered. Broadly,

the region's roads are running but

we have had difficulties on the M2,

the M20, the A249 which is just to

the south-east of London at the

north of the M20, they have big

hills up there so we had jackknifed

lorries and car accidents and when

the car crashes happen, the gritters

cannot come through and it needs the

traffic to make the salt and the

great work. Once the traffic flows,

we expect things to improve. As to

the trains, similar to the North.

They are changing the timetable,

running longer trains, which

apparently are less likely to run

into difficulties so the only issue

is really are that travellers are

still complaining they are not being

told enough quickly enough which is

something I am sure south-east

trains are looking at. School

closures, yes, handful closed. I

think what everyone is saying is,

what is on the ground now, with the

temperatures, is likely to say so if

we get the heavy falls expected

later in the week, things will get a

lot more difficult. Let's go to

ethics, Ben Ando in Colchester.

Hello, the situation here is that

commuters were facing frustration,

normally there would be dozens of

trains running from here to London,

Colchester is a big commuter town

with lots of people heading into

London to work. Many of those trains

had to be cancelled because Network

Rail told the passenger train

companies like Greater Anglia, TfL

or great Northern that they would

have to be running slower trains,

there would be speed restrictions

and may be problems with points

freezing up, all of these things

mean the service has to be reduced.

The message seems to have got

through. There have been plenty of

people coming to catch trains but

certainly not as many as normal and

so by planning ahead and letting

people know there would be problems,

it seems that perhaps some of the

difficult scenes with people barging

to get onto trains have been

avoided. Going forward, the company

says they hope to reinstate trains

is possible because certainly, the

snow has not been as bad as forecast

but the freezing temperatures are

continuing to cause difficulties and

that looks likely to be the case,

especially with more snow forecast

later on.

Ben Ando in Essex, there

are, Robert Hall in Kent and Phil

Bodmer in Yorkshire, many thanks. We

will bring you the full weather

forecast just before 10am.

Reeta Chakrabarti is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary

of the rest of the day's news.

The former most senior civil servant

at the Department for International

Trade has truly criticised proposals

for Britain to leave the EU Customs

union. Sir Martin Donnelly, left his

post last year, said 60% of UK trade

was either with the EU or the

countries it has agreements with. He

said future bilateral trade deals

cannot compensate for leaving the

customs union.

If we look at where we are now

with fair and equal access

to the very large, rich EU market

which is nearly half

of our service and goods exports,

plus preferential access to other

markets which gets us up

to about three fifths of our trade,

if you are going to give that up

for the promise of some bilateral

deals with markets that are much

less important to us,

it is like giving up a three-course

meal for a packet of crisps.

It is just not equivalent and we

have to recognise that reality.

The BBC has learned that Syrian

women have been sexually exploited

by local men delivering aid

on behalf of the United Nations

and international charities.

Two humanitarian agencies warned

about the abuse in 2015,

but a new UN report shows that aid

is still being exchanged for sex

in the south of the country.

Danielle Spencer is a humanitarian

worker who conducted focus

groups with these women,

and she spoke to our diplomatic

correspondent James Landale.

So they were withholding the aid

that had been delivered and then

using these women for sex.

So, this was a range of women, women

of different ages in the group.

Some had experienced it themselves.

Some were very distraught.

I remember one woman

crying in the room.

She was very upset.

You know, women and girls

need to be protected

when they are trying

to receive food.

Meanwhile, a five-hour pause

in the Syrian government's assault

on Eastern Ghouta has begun.

The enclave has faced an intense air

and ground attack by pro-government

forces for more than a week.

Russia's President,

Vladimir Putin, has ordered

the humanitarian pause

so that civilians can

flee and humanitarian

aid can be delivered.

The International Committee

of the Red Cross says aid

organisations are ready to go

in as soon as possible.

The US cable TV giant Comcast has

made a £22.1 billion takeover bid

for Sky, challenging the existing

offer from 21st century Fox. Rupert

Murdoch's 21st century Fox had

already agreed and £18.5 billion

deal to buy the 61% of Sky it does

not audio in. Comcast, the biggest

cable TV firm in the US, said it

wanted to use Sky as a black form

for growth in Europe. -- as a

platform for growth.

Facebook has funded a pilot

programme using its Messenger

service to try to deradicalise

extremists.

Users posting extreme far-right

and Islamist content in the UK

were identified and contacted

in an attempt to

challenge their views.

But privacy campaigners have

criticised the initiative,

suggesting the social media giant

was straying into surveillance.

You can watch our exclusive

report in just a moment.

This programme has been told that

convicted paedophile Barry Bennell

was sacked as a youth football coach

at Crewe Alexandra a short time

after parents confronted him

and threatened to call the police

about his behaviour.

64-year-old Bennell was given

a 31-year sentence for abusing young

boys in his care ten days ago.

Some of the victims were linked

to Crewe Alexandra, where Bennell

was employed for seven years

until he left in 1992.

The club has denied it knew

anything about his behaviour

or the abuse and said he left

for footballing reasons.

An armed police officer criticised

by Donald Trump after the recent

school shooting in Florida has

defended his actions. Scot Peterson

was outside the school when a gunman

killed 17 people. But in a

statement, the officer's lawyer said

it was blatantly untrue that his

client was a coward. The US

president says he would have gone

into the school even if he had been

unarmed.

You know, I really believe,

you don't know until you test it

but I really believe I'd run

in there, even if I didn't have

a weapon and I think most

of the people in this room

would have done that too

because I know most of you.

But the way they performed

was really a disgrace.

That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 9.30.

After 10am, we are going to talk to

some of you who have experienced of

pupil referral units. We are

focusing on them or this week. We

were live yesterday for the whole

programme from a primary pupil

referral unit in north-east London.

So many of you got in touch. We want

to talk to you today wherever you

are in the country if your child

goes to one, if you were educated at

one. This text from Kerry came in

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referral unit on your programme. The

teachers have shown what hard work

it is but how rewarding the job is,

it just goes to show what

discipline, consistency and being

calm in difficult situations can do.

I really take my hat off to the

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Time for the sport and we will start

to reaction to the death of a

British boxer over the weekend.

Not

a discussion we like to have, those

that work in sport, in fact a

discussion we would rather not be

having but boxing has been put back

under the spotlight by another death

at the age of just 31, Scott

Westgarth has become the third

fighter to lose his life after about

in the last three years. It is a

difficult discussion, there's over

1000 professional boxers in the UK.

Incidents like this are rare. The

last three coming after a 15 year

gap without a boxing related death

but I think when you see some of the

crowds at fights, baying and

screening for knockout, it serves as

a reminder to all of us that there

are real injuries and worse

incurred. Since Scott Westgarth's

death, so many tributes but I've

picked out a few on social media.

Tony Bellew, the former

cruiserweight world champion, said

his condolences but added that he is

forever telling people how dangerous

it is and he says he hopes people

think in future before topping

insults divider. Former Northern

Irish world Champion Carl Frampton

said it is a stark reminder of how

dangerous the sport is. British

heavyweight David Price said a

fellow fighter, a brother to all of

us, put it all on the line and paid

the ultimate price. So sad. A

difficult time for the conversation

to be had but a reminder that the

British Medical Association's stance

on it is that boxing should be

banned, long held stance and Curtis

Woodhouse, who was due to headline

on the evening of the fight, said it

now makes him question the morality

of the sport.

It seems there could

be a new sporting career on the

wafer Usain Bolt?

Plenty of teams in

the country could do with an

injection of pace in their side! I'm

not sure you can do much better than

the eight time Olympic gold

medallist Usain Bolt, shorter but

the frighteners on any defence, he

denounced this morning he will be

playing in this year's soccer aid

match at Old Trafford in the summer.

He's a big Manchester United fan and

says he once discussed the idea of a

trial with their former boss Sir

Alex Ferguson. During his running

career, he was deluded enough to

save himself for the track but now

he has hung up his spikes, good new

sporting career beyond the horizon?

-- put a new sporting career.

Robbie, let me entertain you!

You

can run but you can't hide.

Stick to

singing and leave the football to

me.

Our very own Robbie Williams

captained the England team and puts

on the match for the charity Unicef

and he just answered Usain Bolt will

captain the world 11 so if you get a

ticket, you might see a unique bit

of sporting history, a Bold goal at

Old Trafford. More sport later.

Good morning, welcome to our

programme.

Good morning, welcome

to our programme.

Facebook is often criticised for not

doing enough to stop

the spread of hate messages

but we can exclusively reveal

that the social media giant has

been funding a project

which saw their messenger system

used to try to de-radicalise people.

Users posting extreme far-right

and Islamist content in the UK

were identified and contacted

in an attempt to

challenge their views.

It's been criticised by privacy

campaigners as Facebook

straying into surveillance.

Our reporter Catrin Nye

had an exclusive look

at the project for us.

So, first of all I'd

private message them,

just ask them a few questions

on what's on their profile page.

Would you have a look first

at what was on there?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Colin Bidwell is a

victim of terrorism.

He's been paid to go on Facebook

using a fake profile

and message extremists.

It's part of a project funded

by Facebook themselves.

I'd just let them know I don't

want to kill anybody,

I'd like to talk to people to work

the issue out.

In my case, I should

hate Muslim extremists,

I'm lucky to be alive.

So I thought I'd open up

and maybe explain about me.

On holiday in Tunisia

in the summer of 2015,

Colin saw dozens of people shot dead

on the beach he was sunbathing on.

Someone firing a gun.

Bullets flying everywhere.

I had a lucky escape on that day.

A lot didn't, but I did,

for some reason.

I'm here today.

Be nice to people, whatever

your beliefs or religion

for me, it's simple.

For this project, researchers found

people posting both extreme Islamist

and far right material on Facebook.

Colin was tasked with talking

to the people posting

extreme Islamist content,

people who may support the killer

on the beach in Tunisia,

and challenging their views.

I just keep saying it,

you can have your extreme

beliefs and everything,

but when it gets to the extreme

violence, that's the bit

I can't understand.

I understand the issues

that are upsetting you.

Sadia has been doing the same.

She's a former extremist herself.

We've changed her name

to protect her identity.

But, is this the way forward?

And what sort of thing

was on the profiles of the people

you were speaking to?

A lot of them were pictures of Isis

flags and they had a lot of lions

with the Isis memes on them.

There have been a series

of high-profile cases

of far right and Islamist

extremists radicalised online.

Big tech companies like Facebook

have been taking a kicking

from politicians, saying they have

to do more to stop extremism

littering their sites.

For this project, Colin

and Sadia were known

as intervention providers.

There were 11 of them and they fell

into three categories -

former extremists, survivors

of terrorism and

trained counsellors.

This was a pilot project

by an organisation that

specialises in extremism called

The Institute For Strategic

Dialogue, or ISD.

First of all, we identified Facebook

pages where people were expressing

support for extremist groups

and posting extremist content.

We then used software

to analyse the ways

in which people were engaging.

The researchers would then manually

look at Facebook pages to select

people posting very extreme,

far right and

Isis-supporting content.

What was the bar for someone to be

targeted, to be chosen for this?

So, we would look for people

who were using the most violent,

the most hateful, the most

dehumanising language

towards others.

Suggesting whole communities need

to be killed, need to be eradicated.

Allah followers are criminals

and need to be annihilated.

In all, 569 people were

contacted on Facebook.

112 people replied.

76 had a sustained conversation

and ISD claim that eight people

showed signs that the conversation

had a positive impact.

This is small numbers, experimental.

What was it for you that

says it did work?

The levels of sustained engagement

we saw a cross these categories

of individuals we were reaching out

to, are extraordinary.

We were trying to fill a really big

gap in responses to online

recruitment and radicalisation

and that gap is in the

direct messaging space.

There's quite a lot of work

being done to counter the general

propaganda with counter speech

and counter propaganda

and the removal of content.

But actually, we know extremists

are very effective in peer-to-peer

direct messaging and that's how

they're most effective.

And yet there's nothing,

no systematic work being done

to reach out on that basis,

on that direct engagement bases.

to reach out on that basis,

on that direct engagement basis.

That's the gap we've trying to fill.

Just worried about the future

for my children with all this

violence that's online.

The first contact I can remember,

it was just so intense.

I thought someone was going to jump

out of the screen or there would be

a bang at the door and someone

was going to try and attack me.

He really did frighten me, my first

contact, when I got a reply.

Do you think you are qualified

to do this kind of work?

I think I was a little bit

entitled to do what I did,

after what we've been

through and are still going through.

If there was the smallest chance

that I could make some form

of difference or awareness,

for me, I'm in.

I'm in.

I think I'm entitled

to ask those questions.

Why would someone want to take

another one's life, especially

if they are innocent.

Yeah.

That is different though, isn't it,

justification and qualification?

Yes, it is, it is.

I'm certainly not qualified.

I know I did quite well

on the programme, but may be

because everything was genuine,

I was asking from me.

You know, I wasn't taking it

from a book, I was taking

this from experience.

It's always me thinking how

would I speak to me,

and what would have made

me change my views.?

I had quite radical views

when I was in my teens.

I felt voiceless, I felt as though

there was an injustice that

no one was addressing.

And I can really relate

to these young people.

This project has raised serious

concerns for privacy campaigners.

They are very worried

about Facebook, a website that

advertises itself as a place

for friends to connect.

It's funding this kind of,

what they call surveillance.

Based on the headlines,

people might find it attractive

because it does seem to be a way

to counter something people

are very worried about.

But you need to be very careful

when you are dealing with issues

that really concern the public

in terms of their fear of extremism,

their fear for their own physical

well-being and that of their family,

Whether these things are affected.

I think it will make people

sceptical about the role of social

media organisations.

It will make people,

who are concerned about surveillance

and aware of the many ways it can

happen, either by companies

or by governments, more suspicious.

Like when are you not

being monitored?

Millie is especially worried

about the fact that Facebook funded

a project that broke its own rules

and created fake

profiles for this work.

To now allow fake profiles

and people to infiltrate groups

and then speak to people,

changes the whole dynamic

of what Facebook is about.

Facebook didn't give the people

running this project any

special access to the site,

but they did fund it.

Although they won't tell us exactly

how much they spent.

It's part of their wider

efforts to do something

about all the extremist material

on their side.

about all the extremist

material on their site.

At one of Facebook's London HQs,

I met the UK public policy manager.

Nice to meet you.

This way?

You allowed fake profiles

to be made for this work,

which is against your own rules,

how did you justify that?

So, it is against Facebook's rules

to use fake accounts on our platform

and we wouldn't advise anybody to do

so, even if they are engaged

in this kind of activity.

Not least because our tools may well

disrupt their activity.

But it's confusing, simultaneously

disrupting some, allowing others.

It makes the rules very unclear.

So, I would say we don't allow fake

accounts on our platform

and we don't advise people to use

fake accounts at all

in any circumstances,

because they will be disrupted.

But you did here?

As I say, the research techniques,

exactly what the researchers did

in this circumstance was done

independently of Facebook.

We provide advice and support on how

they could for example,

communicate better with people,

but the kinds of trends

communicate better with people,

the kinds of trends

we were seeing and we provided

resourcing in particular to this

organisation to do this work.

But the research techniques

and exactly what they did

is a matter for them.

The Prime Minister has said recently

that she wants extremist content

removed from Facebook

within two hours.

This project relies on that

extremist content to stay there.

How do you balance those two things?

We are completely aligned

with her in the fact that we must

remove that content as quickly

as possible from our platform,

because it can circulate very,

very quickly and we know the damage

that it can cause.

It's never going to be enough simply

to take down content,

because there are always going to be

either grey areas, but more

importantly, there's going to be

people who are tempted

and interested in that path,

regardless of what content we take

down and actually finding ways

to engage with those people

is really, really important.

While running this project

there were a number of instances

when researchers came across content

of views that were very extreme.

They had a protocol

for dealing with that.

I think there are concerns over who

exactly is carrying out this work.

Even if the organisation itself may

have been involved in doing

research over many years,

does not mean they are qualified

to carry out this quasi law

enforcement surveillance role.

How do you know you weren't

making things worse?

You could create an environment

where people are even more

suspicious of organisations

like yours.

Firstly, we are not government,

we are a civil society

organisation and I do believe

there is an absolute need

for more civic response

to hateful ideologies.

These are people posting publicly

again, not privately, publicly.

That Speaker's corner,

they are coming out on public pages

and saying things like,

all Muslims are a virus

and need to be stamped out.

So you can either sensor that,

perhaps they go off

into an underground space online

and become even more

activist and radicalised.

You can ignore it and it

will fester, it will likely grow

and we see it growing.

Or, you can try and engage it

to see if you can walk

them back from the edge.

Did you have people ask detail

about who you were basically,

who you were working for,

what you are doing?

Strange thing is,

most people didn't.

There was an almost,

this immediate trust.

I was coming from a genuine place,

but it was worrying there

are so many people out there that

are not, hence the possible reason

that recruiters of Daesh

have been so successful.

But they didn't know

obviously their conversations

would be seen by an organisation

like ISD and that they'd be part

of a research project?

No, nobody asked anything of that

nature, but I did say that

I was there to try and dissuade them

from holding those particular views,

because they were dangerous.

They didn't know the research part.

If someone being spoken

to specifically asked,

the intervention providers

would admit they were working

for ISD, but they wouldn't

say that upfront.

Every time someone found out

that the person they were talking

to was working for you guys,

every single one of those didn't

want to talk any more?

Yes, that's right.

That shows this is not consensual.

There's a lot of stuff that happens

on social media that isn't

necessarily consensual.

Again, these are not individuals

we've reached out to because we've

somehow had a look under the bonnet

into private spaces.

We see, we have access to and we see

whatever you are able to see online,

whatever any member of the general

public is able to find online.

These are public postings.

This is speaker's corner.

When they asked explicitly, why

they were being engaged in this way,

we always told them the truth.

Which was, that this was part

of a programme we were running

to counter extremism.

If they were pushed on it,

they would admit but initially

they would try and carry

on the conversation using the fake

identity and if I'm speaking

to someone using a fake

identity, its deception.

Again, they were speaking

to their personal experiences.

So I pushed back on the idea

this is real perception.

So I pushed back on the idea

this is real deception.

These are all individuals speaking

to their own real-life experiences.

Reaching out on an empathetic basis

to engage in dialogue.

So, in that sense I don't

think its deception,

but you are absolutely right

that these are challenging issues.

Going into people'sFacebooks

using a different identity,

do you see why this kind of work

would be very controversial?

I can see why it would be,

but we have to be in this space

if we are going to challenge these

views, which are

extremely dangerous.

We need to use people's expertise

to try and be at the very

place and the very heart

of where radicalisation happens

and if we're not there,

then you will get worse.

and if we're not there,

then it will get worse.

It's a cancer and it

needs to be tackled.

More on this after 10.

Still to come.

A former Crewe Alexandra player

tells us paedophile coach

Barry Bennell was sacked by the club

after parents confronted him

about his behaviour in 1992.

That is despite the club saying they

knew nothing about it until he was

convicted of offences in the USA two

years later.

And after our special programme

yesterday from a pupil referral unit

for primary school children,

we want to hear from you about your

experiences of PRUs.

Were you were taught at one,

or does your child go to one?

Get in touch in the usual ways.

Time for the latest news,

here's Reeta Chakrabarti.

The headlines this morning. Heavy

snow is hitting parts of the UK,

causing road and rail disruption and

school closures. The Met office has

issued amber warnings for large

parts of the South East and North

East of England. Up to ten

centimetres of snow is expected

today and as much as 20 centimetres

is predicted in some parts of

eastern England, Scotland and

Northern Ireland by the end of

Wednesday.

Like "giving up a three-course

meal for the promise

of a packet of crisps".

That's the view of the former most

senior civil servant

at the Department for

International Trade on proposals

for Britain to leave

the EU customs union.

Sir Martin Donnelly,

who left his post last year,

said 60% of UK trade was either

with the EU or the countries the EU

has agreements with.

If we look at where we are now

with fair and equal access

to the very large, rich EU market

which is nearly half

of our service and goods exports,

plus preferential access to other

markets which gets us up

to about three fifths of our trade,

if you are going to give that up

for the promise of some bilateral

deals with markets that are much

less important to us,

it is like giving up a three-course

meal for a packet of crisps.

It is just not equivalent and we

have to recognise that reality.

A five-hour pause in the Syrian

government's assault

on Eastern Ghouta has begun.

It is reportedly being largely

observed. The respite was ordered by

Russia, which said it would be

repeated daily to allow civilians to

leave the besieged Anglais. --

besieged enclave.

Facebook has funded a pilot

programme using its Messenger

service to try to deradicalise

extremists.

Users posting extreme far-right

and Islamist content in the UK

were identified and contacted

in an attempt to

challenge their views.

But privacy campaigners have

criticised the initiative,

suggesting the social media giant

was straying into surveillance.

That is the latest.

Thank you for your comments, Gemma

has detected this, "I went to a

pupil referral unit from year nine

to 11 and all it takes is one person

to really believe in you for you to

start believing in yourself. I loved

my experience. I went on to

university and now work with young

people who also attends PRUs". Clare

says, "Brilliant to watch a

programme about PRUs, I worked in a

local one to 15 years and it was the

most rewarding, satisfied, stressful

and inspirational job. The children

were fantastic and it was so good to

be part of their developer and

success in moving back into

mainstream schools". And Adams says,

"I chaired the management committee

of three PRUs, they do terrific work

which is often unsung". We will talk

to some of you right around the

country after 10am, who have

experience of PRUs. We are focusing

on the more this week. Time for the

sport.

After their embarrassing defeat in

the League Cup final, Arsenal legend

Ian Wright has said there's no place

for manager Arsene Wenger to stay in

charge of club. Arsene Wenger is

nearly into his 22nd year in the

role but Ian Wright says he is more

-- mollycoddling the team that has

lost half of its matches in 2018. As

Scotland look to follow up their

huge six Nations win over England,

they could be without key man Ryan

Wilson for the rest of the

tournament if he is punished for

making contact with the eye of an

England player on Saturday. British

boxer Curtis Woodhouse says he may

not fight again following the death

of Scott Westgarth after about at

the weekend. He says it's left

questioning the morality of the

sport. And a time Olympic gold

medallist and big Manchester United

Van Usain Bolt will fulfil a dream

in June when he played at Old

Trafford, captaining a world level

in this year's Soccer Aid match

where he will take on Robbie

Williams' England side. More sport

after 10am. Good morning.

This programme can reveal that

convicted paedophile Barry Bennell

was sacked as Crewe Alexandra's

youth coach days after parents

confronted him and threatened

to call the police

about his behaviour in 1992.

That is despite Crewe insisting they

knew nothing about his behaviour

until 1994.

Our reporter Jim Reed

has been investigating.

Morning, Vic.

Barry Bennell was convicted of

historical offences against young

boys two weeks ago now and he is

currently serving 31 years in prison

for the offences.

There are still questions that need

to be answered though.

Not least whether the clubs involved

should have done more,

much more, to stop the abuse.

The team most closely linked

to Bennell is Crewe Alexandra.

It employed him as a youth coach

for seven years until 1992.

Now we've been speaking exclusively

to a former youth team player

who was there when

Bennell left the club.

Barry Bennell, being driven

into court for the last time.

The 64-year-old was given a 31-year

sentence for abusing

young boys in his care,

his fourth jail term

in three decades.

How can it be that no one realised

something was wrong?

How is it that no one

protected us then?

Seven of the 12 victims

in the most recent case

were linked to Crewe Alexandra.

The club has always denied it

knew anything about his

behaviour or the abuse.

Well, firstly, I remember him

being a really good football coach.

I started in 1989 and he

was our coach at the time.

Now in his 30s, Matt played

for Crewe's youth team for a decade.

We've changed his name

and voice because he wants

to protect his family's privacy.

He rang my mum and dad and he said,

"The boys have done really well

at training this week so I'd

like to give them

a little bit of a treat.

So they are going to come round

and there's going to be five or six

who are going to come around

the house and stay over".

Matt did stay over that night.

He wasn't abused but

knows boys who were.

Then suddenly, he says,

with no explanation,

his youth coach simply vanished.

We then went back into training

as we normally would.

I think it would have been

a Thursday and a new coach came

in and Barry Bennell had obviously

just upped and left.

Crewe has never said

how Bennell left

the club in 1992, only

that it was for footballing reasons.

This programme understands

he was sacked and replaced days

later by Steve Holland,

now England's assistant manager.

Matt says his mother later told him

a group of parents had challenged

Bennell about his behaviour

around young boys.

There was a group of parents

who confronted Barry

because there were rumours.

One of the dads in the group had

said his son had gone to him

and he had been touching his son.

I'm not sure of the exact

circumstances behind

that but they did say

they were going to go to the police.

Shortly after that alleged

confrontation, we understand

Bennell left the country,

flying to the USA, where he bought

and ran a video store near Atlanta.

It's not known if the parents'

concerns were raised with the club

or then-manager Dario Gradi,

who is still director

of football at Crewe.

A few months later,

in May of that year,

Matt's parents received this letter

from Dario Gradi

on headed notepaper.

It said:.

There's no evidence that letter

was suggesting abuse

by Bennell but it is very

clear that by that stage,

officials at the club did not

want their young players associating

with the coach.

Even if they didn't know, Crewe

as they club have an obligation

Even if they didn't know,

Crewe as a club have an obligation

to come out and apologise and say,

"We were in charge at the time

and this happened".

They had a responsibility to protect

us at the time and I don't think

we were protected enough.

All of this comes after

Crewe Alexandra's former managing

director, Hamilton Smith,

told us he raised concerns

at a board meeting in the late '80s

but no real action was taken.

Everybody involved could have done

and should have done a lot more.

The club declined to

comment on the letter

or the player's account.

Other officials there have always

denied they knew about the abuse

until after Bennell left the club.

Just to ask again, were you aware

at any point of what he was doing?

No.

How do you feel about the fact

he was doing those things

when you were chairman?

Infuriated.

In a statement after the latest

trial, Crewe said it did not receive

a single complaint about sexual

abuse at the time and if the club

had any suspicions

about Barry Bennell,

it would have informed

the police immediately.

Last night, Crewe's top officials

met fans for the first answer is

Barry Bennell's conviction.

Yes,

they hold fans Forum every year at

Crewe Alexandra, 250 fans with

tickets get to meet the manager, the

chairman, other members of the board

and so wanted this -- and so on to

discuss football and what else is

going on at the club. It was held

last night at Gresty Road, the Crewe

ground. We asked to go along but we

were told no journalists were

allowed to attend, it was just for

the fans. There were reports

security on the door had a piece of

paper with photos of journalists on,

and reporters that have worked on

the case, two apparently deny them

entry if they tried to get in or use

of force name and so on. In the

event, though, there were three

questions last night about Barry

Bennell, a man we can show you

pictures of come here, new pictures

of Barry Bennell we have obtained.

The chairman was asked about the

scandal last night and declined to

answer, he said he can't add any

more at the moment because of what

he said was an ongoing legal

process. At one point, the BBC

commentator who commentates on Crewe

games asked the chairman about the

claims by Hamilton Smith, the

managing director, former managing

director you heard in the report.

Again, he said no comment. Most of

the questions were about football,

though, the club currently 18th in

League 2, the fourth tier of the

football Borley, so fans angry about

the team's performance on the pitch

as well.

So many of you got in touch with us

yesterday to talk about pupil

referral units.

We are going to talk

to you after 10am. This e-mail says,

"My youngest son went to a pupil

referral unit and I said then, why

can't all schools teach children the

same as you do, here? I thought it

was very good as they gave children

choices on how their behaviour

impacted on their free time and

eventually my son went back into the

traditional school system"

eventually my son went back into the

traditional school system". One of

the reasons might be the cost. In

some places in England, it costs

£48,000 to educate one people for

one year in a pupil referral unit

although it is less expensive in

other parts of the country.

Hawkswood, where we were yesterday,

takes up to 40 children who have

been excluded from mainstream

education between the ages of four

and 11. The reason we were there was

because we discovered a big rise in

the numbers of primary age children

in England being educated at PRUs,

up 34% over the last four years.

Some other interesting facts for

you, it costs £4000- £5,000 to

educate one people each year in

mainstream school and in PRUs, it is

a lot more as we just said but even

those costs vary wildly. Kirklees,

£48,000 per year, whereas in

Lancashire, it is £12,000 per year,

plus the average length of stay in

Abbott varies, in Bury, it is 15

weeks before a child reintegrate

back into their old primary school,

Andy Candin in London, it is over

two years. The aim for every child

is to go back to mainstream school.

Many of you got in touch to talk

about your own child your own

child's expenses at PRUs and we will

get in touch later. We get in touch

later.

You have people who care

around you who help you, she helps

most of the children here and they

kind of get that vibe that you are

in a safe environment and it helps

you mentally and physically because

it helps you rent a great into

mainstream school.

OK.

Say me, when

I used to be in my mainstream

school, I used to keep coming out

and getting excluded and stuff but

now I am here and in this special

School, it gives you extra help and

it has re-helped me understand it is

better to go back and reintegrate.

-- it has really helped me.

What do

you think of it, here?

It is nice

and safe. It has helped me a lot

from when I first came here, I

didn't like it but now I do

especially they give me help with

everything and it is a very

disciplined school.

Jacob, how long

have you been here?

About a year.

When I first started here, I was

having trouble behaving and I was

making lots of wrong choices.

That

is what you used to be like?

Yeah,

but now if there is somebody like

annoying me or something, I would

just ignore them and I would just

stay away from them if I know that

they are going to create trouble or

something and if one of my friends

is trying to tell me to do something

wrong or something like that, I

would ignore him and say no. I know

that is a wrong thing and I should

not do that.

That is the kind of

thing you teach them?

Definitely

come you are reintegrating, this

week is your last week.

Yes.

You are

going back to old school?

Yes, I've

only got today, Friday and Monday is

my last day.

How does that

I am a

little anxious

-- had is that feel?

I'm a little anxious but I've come

very far and I've worked hard to

reach this point.

Children are children and they are

so young still and we have to give

them a chance. This is our future

generation and we cannot write them

off at primary school age. It is not

right or fair. We are not saying

their behaviour choices are

acceptable and OK, but we are saying

they need help and additional

support and that is what we do for

them. Once they have affected

change, then they need to have the

chance to be able to be part of

society the same way every other

child has that chance to do the same

thing.

In your view is there always

an explanation for poor behaviour?

Yes. There are many reasons. We say

there is a trigger. Behaviour is

communication, said there is always

a reason why. The reasons may not

always be seen as desirable to

people but there is always a reason.

It can be a learning need, it could

be they are on a spectrum and not

yet diagnosed, it could be a

parental issue, some of that is

affecting their home life, there are

so many different issues that we

need to drill down to what is going

on or has gone on for these children

and try to help them and support

them.

No one necessarily said

anything to me that you can feel the

pressure and the eyes staring and

him being the odd one out in school,

the troublemaker. I did not talk to

the other parents about it, but I

always felt the stigma attached to

him.

Other parents look at you as

well.

As though you are a bad

character?

Some parents come to you

and say, your child has done this

and stuff like that. It is really

horrible.

Everyone knew Logan. What

was he doing? He would throw chairs,

he would kick, he would lie down on

the floor kicking and screaming. He

had to be taken out of class because

of it. He would be very aggressive.

Why do you think that was?

Lack of

structure, lack of understanding for

him. When he was in necessary they

said to me, Logan is having

behavioural problems, is there

anything we can do? I said yes, this

is what we do at home and they

listen. But when it came to the next

school they didn't listen. I can't

do that, I have got 30 other

children to look after.

They thought

maybe it was us, we were doing

something wrong. We took him to a

specialist, we had him tested, they

could not find anything wrong. The

referral came to hear and my wife

was adamant we were not going to

bring him here.

Why?

Because of the

stigma and the feeling of dread that

this would be his life and he would

be coming to a place where he would

be long.

We will talk more about

that and some of you around the

country after ten o'clock. We will

bring you the weather forecast, news

and sport at ten.

In 2014, 276 mainly Christian

schoolgirls were kidnapped

from their government school

overnight by an Islmaist terror

group called Boko Haram which means

"no to Western Education".

For a while, their fate at the hands

of the militants with a history

of brutality towards women

was unknown, but many

feared the worst -

sold as slaves, raped,

forced to marry their abductors.

That mass abduction led

to a social-media campaign under

hashtag #BringBackOurGirls.

Michelle Obama was among the many

famous people who endorsed it.

Never let that happen

again was the message.

Four years on and another 100

schoolgirls have been kidnapped

by the same militant group and it's

barely causing any ripples.

Why?

Bukky Shonibare, who's the founder

of Girl Child Africa

and deputy chairperson

of Bring Back our Girls.

Tell our British audience about you

know what has happened to the 100

girls kidnapped last week.

And

attack was launched by Boko

attack was launched by Boko Haram on

a technical college in the

north-eastern part of Nigeria. That

attack lasted for some hours and it

was in the night of February the

19th, 2018. After that attack, the

next day there were reports released

by the local community that several

of the girls who attended that

government school had not been

accounted for, they were missing.

Some were said to have escaped, some

were said to have run back home,

some were said to be in the bushes.

But as I speak to you the official

figure has been put at 110 girls

from that school who have not been

found. The government also came out

to say that some girls had been

found and we were waiting for less

than 50 or so. Another denial of

that said that they had been misled

by a local intelligence person.

by a local intelligence person. Now

we are still talking about a hundred

who have most likely been abducted

by Boko Haram.

What sort of ages are

we talking about?

We are talking

about girls from the age of about

nine, ten, in up until teenage

years. We are looking at around 16

or 17. These are girls from junior

secondary school going to senior

secondary School three and that is

the age group for the girls going to

school in this part of the country.

There is such a lack of security in

some parts of Nigeria that it means

of this group, Boko Haram, can

pretty much do this when they

wanted.

Exactly. When we look at

what happened to the Chibok girls

almost four years ago, in a few

days' time it will be about five

years, at that time we said to

ourselves nothing like that had

happened before. But it put on the

table the lack of security in our

schools, especially when we look at

Boko Haram's mandate and ideology

that Western education is forbidden.

That group has always been attacking

such targets, girls' schools and

boys schools. One would expect that

we had learned the lessons from the

Chibok girls issue. There should

have been security and certification

of schools and communities where

these schools are situated. But

again this abduction, this attack

shows that schools are not safe

enough for our children, boys and

girls, as well as for teachers,

particularly in the north-east

region.

When the 276 girls were

taken from school in Chibok it

caused an international outcry. Some

were eventually, after time,

rescued. White do you think this has

not caused the same outcry?

The

Chibok girls issue received global

attention. Everyone was talking

about it. It was almost like the

coolest thing to do. People carried

the placard and wanted to be

identified with it. The girls'

abduction connected the world on

sheer humanity. Everyone was talking

about our girls, we personalised it.

We perceived that these girls could

be my daughter, my sister, my

cousin. People created that

relationship as the basis upon which

they engaged and advocated for our

Chibok girls. There was a

convergence also of social media

outrage where people walked in the

streets, especially the bring back

our girls movement which took place

throughout the world. But when you

now compare that to the abduction of

these girls, the outrage has not

been the same and disappointingly

so. I think the world is getting

used to these disasters. We are

getting used to the fact that girls

are being taken. Our narrative is it

is not as many as the Chibok girls.

We seem to be normalising what is

bad. We seem to be normalising what

is wrong. Maybe our hearts can no

longer deal with it. Maybe we think

it is far of. Maybe we are not

connected with that level of

humanity any longer.

humanity any longer. But I want the

world to mobilise for these girls as

they did for the Chibok girls.

Thank

you. The founder of Girl Child

Africa and the Deputy Chairperson of

Bring Back Our Girls.

We have got some cracking weather

pictures being sent in this morning

from our viewers.

from our viewers. This is some snow

on rooftops in Brighton. You can see

a bit more lying snow in this one.

What has been happening is we have

had heavy snow coming in across

northern England, pushing through

the Midlands and it is now

progressing to Wales and it will

clear by the time we get to the

early part of the afternoon. We have

some snow showers coming in across

South eastern England towards the

channel showers. If you are under

that line you might have as much as

three centimetres of snow fall, but

they are showers and if you are not

under that line, you might not see

the totals I have given you. Away

from these areas we are looking at a

fair bit of sunshine and some

showers in eastern areas. Wherever

you are today it will feel cold.

Through the evening and overnight we

continued the snow showers in the

South East heading down towards the

Channel Islands and later on in the

night, early morning, it will come

into southern Cornwall, Devon and

possibly Dorsett as well. It will be

a cold night, temperatures in places

where we have got lying snow and in

the countryside will be lower than

this, -8 or -9 potentially. By the

end of the night we have got more

snow in northern and eastern

Scotland, Central Scotland and North

East England. This is where the Met

Office has an amber be prepared

warning. Tomorrow we could have ten

centimetres of falling snow in

addition to what we have already

had. For some of us it will be more

than that. Away from the amber area

there will still be snow showers

around, but they will not be so

heavy. We have got snow in northern,

East, central and southern Scotland

and North East England. For the rest

of us a lot of the showers will

drift westwards through the day, so

brightening up in the south-east,

but there will be won or two showers

and it will be windy. Either

temperatures.

temperatures. It feels cold in

itself, but when you add on the wind

chill, it will feel bitter. -12

across Aberdeen for example. Then as

we head into Thursday this next

system, named by the Portuguese

weather service as Emma, it will

bring snow and strong winds.

Hello, it's Tuesday, it's 10

o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

Our top story today: snow and bad

weather is causing chaos in parts

of England and Wales with hundreds

of trains being cancelled, and many

schools shutting their doors.

Plus - this programme can

exclusively reveal that Facebook

has funded a project

which saw their Messenger

system used to try to

de-radicalise people.

I had quite radical views when I was

in my teens. I felt voiceless. I

felt as though there was an

injustice that no one was

addressing. And I can really relate

to these young people.

We will talk

about some of the issues raised by

the project after 10:30am.

And after the incredible response

to yesterday's programme

from a pupil referral unit -

we'll be hearing your

experiences of PRUs.

Good morning.

Here's Reeta Chakrabarti

in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news.

Heavy snowfall is hitting parts

of the UK, causing road and rail

disruption and school closures.

The Met Office has issued amber

warnings for large parts

of the south east and north

east of England.

Up to 10cm of snow is expected today

and as much as 20cm is predicted

in some parts of eastern England,

Scotland and Northern Ireland

by the end of Wednesday.

One of the areas affected is Kent,

where Robert Hall told us

there is some disruption

on the roads.

Kent County Council declared what

they called a snow emergency

yesterday. That basically meant they

got every available gritter on the

road and alerted farmers with

snowploughs so the country roads

were covered. Broadly, the region's

roads are running but we have had

difficulties of the M2, the M20, the

A249 which is to the north of the

M20 just to the south of London.

There are big hills in that area and

we had jackknifed lorries in

accident and as soon as cars crash

or lorries get stuck, the gritters

cannot come through and it needs the

action of traffic to make the salt

and the great work. -- and the grit.

Like "giving up a three-course

meal for the promise

of a packet of crisps" -

that's the view of the former most

senior civil servant

at the Department for

International Trade on proposals

for Britain to leave

the EU customs union.

Sir Martin Donnelly,

who left his post last year,

said 60% of UK trade was either

with the EU or the countries the EU

has agreements with.

If we look at where we are now

with fair and equal access

to the very large, rich EU market

which is nearly half

of our service and goods exports,

plus preferential access to other

markets which gets us up

to about three fifths of our trade,

if you are going to give that up

for the promise of some bilateral

deals with markets that are much

less important to us,

it is like giving up a three-course

meal for a packet of crisps.

It is just not equivalent and we

have to recognise that reality.

The Syrian government's assault on

the rebel held every of Eastern

Ghouta has come to hold for five

hours. The pause was ordered by

Syria's ally Russia who said it

would repeated daily to allow

civilians to leave the besieged on

flavour but no civilians have been

seen taking advantage of the

ceasefire to leave the area and

there have been claims which have

been denied that rebels have shelled

a humanitarian corridor. -- the

besieged enclave.

This programme has been told that

convicted paedophile Barry Bennell

was sacked as a youth football coach

at Crewe Alexandra a short time

after parents confronted him

and threatened to call the police

about his behaviour.

64-year-old Bennell was given

a 31-year sentence for abusing young

boys in his care eight days ago.

Some of the victims were linked

to Crewe Alexandra, where Bennell

was employed for seven years

until he left in 1992.

The club has denied it knew

anything about his behaviour

or the abuse and said he left

for footballing reasons.

The social media giant Facebook has

funded a pilot programme

to try to deradicalise extremists.

The project was led by

a counter-extremism organisation

who used the Messenger service

to challenge the views of users

posting extreme far-right

and Islamist content.

But privacy campaigners have

questioned the programme's

use of fake profiles

and whether Facebook

should be involved in

surveillance work at all.

That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10.30.

Time for the sport.

Good morning. If you are an Arsenal

fan, you're not having the best week

probably, 3-0 defeat to Manchester

city in the League Cup final to

content with and now the same

opponents to face, Manchester City

in a Premier League on Thursday

night. Now club great Ian White has

urged manager Arsene Wenger to step

down at the end of the season,

saying he cannot make a case for him

staying in. -- Ian Wright. Ian

Wright also feels the owner Stan

Kroenke has lost interest and a new

two-year deal given to Arsene Wenger

last summer was a mistake.

I want

Arsenal to start to challenge again,

start signing players that make us

exciting again, someone who's going

to come in and around the Arsenal

group who is going to lay down the

law to people and a new manager,

whoever that is going to be, and the

players who were now on easy street,

literally. A few of the mark owning

easy Street and renting a property

is on it! It's going to take Arsenal

a few years to get back into that

because everybody is progressing

right now, they are moving forward,

all of them.

A drug testing

programme in the English but Borlee

is unacceptable according to an

expert. At least a quarter of

players were not tested last season

which Professor Ivan Waddington says

is not good enough. The FA says it

runs one of the most comprehensive

national anti-doping programmes in

world sport and testing has

increased with more than 5000 said

to be carried out in the Premier

League this season. Boxer Curtis

Woodhouse is considering his future

in the sport after the death of

Scott Westgarth. Woodhouse was due

to top the bill in Doncaster which

included the fight where Scott

Westgarth suffered his fatal injury.

Woodhouse says it makes him question

whether the profession or the sport

are justifiable. Scotland could be

without a key man as they look to

follow up their huge Six Nations win

over England. Ryan Wilson's

tournament could be over if he is

found guilty of making contact with

the eye of an opponent. The incident

happened in the historic Calcutta

Cup victory as he tangled with

Nathan Hughes at Murrayfield. Wilson

appears before the disciplinary

committee tomorrow. A two-time

Olympic gold medallist Usain Bolt

will fulfil a dream in June when he

plays football at Old Trafford. He

is a huge Manchester United fan and

has made no secret of the fact he

would love to be a professional

player. His first step will be as

captain of the world 11 in the

Soccer Aid match where he will take

on Robbie Williams' England side.

The teams will feature stars and

footballing legends and Usain Bolt

says he has a special celebration

plans for when he scores, not if,

he's all we've been confident! That

is all the sport for now. More later