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Hello, it's Wednesday 28th

February, it's 9 o'clock,

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I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

welcome to the programme.

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Amber warnings for snow are in place

for large part of the country.

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Drivers have been one to take care,

hundreds of schools are closed and

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public transport is widely affected.

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With more snow overnight

and temperatures falling as low

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as minus 12, some councils have

brought in emergency measures

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to offer immediate accommodation

to people sleeping on the streets.

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We'll be talking to one rough

sleeper and two people

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who have a roof over their heads

but can't afford heating.

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A key document detailing

the proposed terms of the UK's

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departure from the EU has

just been published.

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It says Northern Ireland will have

to follow the rules of the EU's

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single market if no one can come up

with a plan to avoid

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a so-called hard border

with barriers and checks.

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We are absolutely clear

there will be no hard border

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in Northern Ireland.

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It's really important we don't go

back to the borders of the past,

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and that is why we are seeking

special arrangements

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with the European Union.

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And we'll talk exclusively

to the top police officer tasked

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with catching Britain's paedophiles.

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It comes as a charity set up to help

victims of child abuse says it saw

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a huge increase in contacts

to its helpline and website

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after footballer Andy Woodward

appeared on our programme talking

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about the abuse he was subjected to

by paedophile coach Barry Bennell.

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Welcome to the programme,

we're live until 11 this morning.

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After 10, we'll talk about Attention

Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder.

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The ADHD Foundation has

told our programme they're writing

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to the government to demand earlier

diagnosis for children.

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They say delays mean too

many children end up

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being excluded from school.

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Do get in touch on all the stories

we're talking about this morning

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use the hashtag #Victorialive

and if you text, you will be charged

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at the standard network rate.

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If you have ADHD or you have a child

with ADHD, letter snow, your

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experiences.

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The European Union has, in the past

hour, published a draft

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of its Brexit withdrawal agreement

for the first time, detailing

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the terms of the UK's departure.

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It is expected to say

that Northern Ireland

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will have to follow the rules

of the single market,

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if other solutions can't be found,

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to avoid a so-called hard border

with barriers and checks.

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Downing Street has

dismissed any prospect

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of a return to a hard border.

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Let's talk to Norman at Westminster.

Is this border issue the big issue

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or are there a number that are going

to come out of this document?

This

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is the big Brexit bust up. This is

the first we have had where both

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sides seem to have dug in, and we

could be facing a real showdown. You

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just listen to the language around

it this morning, with

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it this morning, with Brexiteers

accusing the European Commission of

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trying to annex in Northern Ireland,

a former EU trade commissioner

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saying the UK is heading towards a

cliff edge of Northern Ireland. What

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is going on? When we were in the EU

and the Customs market, there wasn't

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a problem because they did not have

to be a border between Northern

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Ireland and the Republic of Ireland

because we were all in the EU

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together. However, when we leave,

the question is, how do you avoid a

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border? The answer we get from the

EU today is that Northern Ireland

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would remain in the EU's Customs

union. So it would still abide by

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many of the rules and regulations of

the EU when it came to trade and

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therefore there wouldn't be any need

for border. But Downing Street say

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this is competing unacceptable

because it would threaten the

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territorial integrity of the UK, it

would be almost moving Northern

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Ireland away from the UK and closer

to the EU. Mrs May is dependent, has

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government is reliant on the support

of the DUP who are adamantly opposed

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to the idea of moving away from the

UK and closer to the EU. We have a

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fundamental clash looming over this

issue of the Northern Ireland

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border. It's very hard to see how

you can mesh the two sides together.

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This could really be a key sticking

point in the Brexit process.

Thank

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you, Norman. We will talk more about

this in the next hour of the

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programme. Let's bring you the rest

of the news.

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It's another morning of freezing

conditions after temperatures

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fell to -12 in some areas overnight.

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The cold weather has already

caused major disruption,

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but forecasters say the worst is yet

to come, with warnings

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in place until the weekend.

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Here's our correspondent

Jon Donnison.

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The so-called "beast from the east"

has already left much of Britain

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under a blanket of snow.

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This is Kent, which has

received some of the worst

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of the weather so far.

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On the ground it has been a much

less pretty picture for drivers,

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with the police reporting scores

of accidents across the country.

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Today again conditions on the roads

are expected to be treacherous.

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Weather warnings for ice and snow

are in place for much of the UK.

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They are expected to

remain until the weekend.

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Yorkshire and the North East have

seen some of the heaviest snowfall.

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With more expected today, many

schools are likely to stay closed.

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When I was younger the snow

was thicker and we still

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managed to get to school.

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I think it is the teachers

who can't get in.

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That is the problem in this area

because of the outlying villages

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that the teachers come from.

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For Britain's homeless,

this is in central London,

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it was another tough night,

temperatures down to -10

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in some parts and feeling

much colder in the wind.

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The elderly too are vulnerable.

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In Hull extra staff at meals

on wheels services are being brought

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in to deliver hot food.

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I can't get out to get

meals and things.

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So it's just wonderful.

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The only complaint I have

got is they never bring

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you a drop of brandy!

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And over the next few days

that might be needed.

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Forecasters say they expect no letup

in the freezing weather

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until at least the weekend.

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Jon Donnison, BBC News.

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Let's get the latest from our

correspondents out and about now.

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Let's go to Glasgow and the North

Yorks Moors. How bad is it in

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Glasgow?

It is pretty awful although

it doesn't look it was the beautiful

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blue sky. We're getting a bit of

respite. Glasgow has more or less

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ground to hold this morning, there's

been problem on the motorways, the M

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74, the Route between Scotland and

England, there's almost been white

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out conditions on that. This is the

picture across most of the country

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today. Glasgow airport has suspended

its operations while they try and

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clear the runway, they hope the run

will be open soon. Train services

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have been affected and the advice

from the government is don't travel

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unless you really have two unless

you are in an amber warning area. --

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if you are in an amber warning area.

We can vouch for that, the roads are

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very slippery this morning. The

winners if you want to look at it

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that way are tens of thousands of

schoolchildren who have got an

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unexpected day off as all councils

in southern and central counters,

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most councils, sorry, have closed

their schools. Check the BBC website

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if you need information. The weather

is expected to take a turn for the

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worse. The amber warning is at its

highest level which our forecasters

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say they have never seen before with

snow and it could be on the cusp of

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becoming an red warning. My

colleague is in North Yorkshire.

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Yes, good morning. Mrs Thornton le

Dale on the edge of the North York

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Moors. -- this is Thornton le Dale.

They have had six centimetres of

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snow, you can see how deep that

freshly fallen snow is. The main

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route through the village has been

gritted and ploughed but as quickly

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as they plough, they get more snow

coming down. The bus is heading to

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Kirkbymoorside but the bust

timetables are disrupted quite

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considerably at the moment due to

the bad conditions. The wind chill

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in the village is about -12 at the

moment, so it cuts in half. Hundreds

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of schools across Yorkshire is shut,

the local village school here is

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closed today, conditions much worse

than yesterday if you're heading

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out. Do take care, allow plenty of

journey time. If you have a

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vulnerable neighbour, the idea is to

maybe check on them to make sure

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they are K. -- OK.

It is not just the UK experiencing

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freezing conditions, the so-called

beast from the East has brought

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heavy snow across Europe. Record

temperatures and snow for paralysed

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part of Croatia causing havoc on the

roads and causing residents to

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evacuate several but villages. We

can see the depth of the snowfall in

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Bosnia. In Bulgaria, villagers were

left without electricity and schools

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were closed. Some of the ice used

conditions were reported in Italy

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with Rome seeing snow for the first

time in six years.

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Public satisfaction with GP services

has fallen to the lowest

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levels ever recorded,

according to a new survey.

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The findings from the British

Social Attitudes survey

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show people in England,

Scotland and Wales having concerns

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around a lack of funding

and staff shortages.

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Here's our health

correspondent Dominic Hughes.

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Each working day more than a million

of us will access the NHS

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through our local GP.

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In previous surveys of public

attitudes to the health service

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they have been the most highly

rated, but the most recent

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poll shows a significant

fall in satisfaction,

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mirroring the overall

picture of the NHS.

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The annual survey shows overall

satisfaction at 57% is down by 6%,

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the lowest since 2011.

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GP services, normally top

of the poll, fell by 7% to 65%,

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the lowest since the survey

began in 1983.

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Staff shortages and a lack

of funding were two

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of the main reasons people say

for being dissatisfied.

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We know people are increasingly

dissatisfied with their access

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to getting GP appointments

and so on, so there is

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something to be done.

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It is not just about money

to fix the problems,

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but these are the things the public

notice and care about and it is

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something the government should also

notice and care about.

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Overall satisfaction levels

with the NHS are still higher

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than in the 1990s and the Department

of Health and social care points out

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the majority of patients

are satisfied with the NHS.

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But GPs say underinvestment

and a shortage of doctors is now

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having an impact on their patients.

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President Trump's son-in-law

and senior adviser, Jared Kushner,

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has had his security clearance

at the White House downgraded.

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Having previously had a leading role

in the administration,

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Mr Kushner now won't be able

to view sensitive documents.

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There's speculation his previous

business dealings may be the reason

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for his change of status.

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A BBC charity says it has sacked six

people for sexual harassment

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or for watching pornography

on work computers.

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BBC Media Action said the incidents

happened overseas in the past ten

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years and those sacked

were all foreign nationals.

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It comes as international charities

face closer scrutiny

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following claims of sexual

misconduct by Oxfam staff in Haiti.

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Two big high street names

are on the brink of collapse

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with both Toys R Us and Maplin

trying to find buyers.

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The struggling retailers,

two of the UK's best known chains,

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are understood to have put

administrators on stand-by after

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failing to secure a rescue deal.

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Toys R Us employs around 3,000

workers, whilst Maplin has

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2,500 members of staff.

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The vast majority of cannabis seized

by police has been found to be

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super-strength skunk,

which is linked to a higher risk

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of psychotic mental health episodes.

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Researchers at King's College London

say the increasing dominance of such

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high strength strains of the drug

poses a significant risk

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to the mental health of users.

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In 2005 only half of cannabis

confiscations related to skunk,

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but that rose to 94% by 2016.

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Spice Girl Mel B has revealed

that the band have been invited

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to the wedding of Prince Harry

and Meghan Markle.

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Appearing on a US talk show,

she declined to comment

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on whether the group would be

performing at the royal

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wedding in May.

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The news comes after reports

that the five members of the group

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reunited recently for the first

time since 2012.

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That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

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More at 9:30.

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In a few moments, we will get an

exclusive interview with the police

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officer in charge of catching the

paedophiles of the UK. Ben Stokes

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really making his presence felt in

the England cricket site?

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the England cricket site? He's had a

lot of bad headlines recently.

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But...

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Another great display

from Ben Stokes as he settles back

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into the England side.

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England have beaten New Zealand this

morning by six wickets to level

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the one-day series at 1-1.

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The all-rounder was playing

in his second match on his return

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after five months out,

he was named man-of-the-match

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after hitting an unbeaten 63, taking

two wickets and being involved

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in two run outs.

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England dismissed the hosts

for 223 in Tauranga.

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England captain Eoin Morgan

had a knock of 62.

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The third match of the

best-of-five series starts

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on Saturday in Wellington.

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Undoubtably, I think this is the

greatest thing to have happened so

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far today...

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Check out this, one of the sixes

which sent England on their way

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to victory was brilliantly caught

by a fan in the crowd.

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If you can catch the ball

with one hand in the stands

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you win 25,000 pounds,

that's exactly what this guy did

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and look a the celebration.

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He knocks his friend out of the way

and tries to go for it, that man!

I

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love it, I could watch that all day!

But there was a football player who

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didn't let the blizzard interrupt

his game?

Yes, a couple of

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players...

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Almost a whole round of non-league

games were wiped out in England last

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night because of the snow,

with six games in the Scottish

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leagues also called off -

but in League 1, Peterbrough Walsall

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went ahead despite these

scenes at London Road -

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this is a video of the Peterborough

players Steven Taylor

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and Junior Morias grabbing some

brooms to help clear the lines

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as heavy snow fell

during their 2-1 win.

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I think they were doing that because

they were 2-1 up, I don't think if

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they were 2-1 down they would be

working as hard! Peterborough got

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the 2-1 win. It looks more like a

cross country course in the Winter

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Olympics rather than a football

pitch!

Know what chance do Rochdale

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have of knocking their opponents out

of the FA Cup tonight, Tottenham?

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Slim!

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Tottenham are fourth

in the Premier League

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unbeaten in 15 games,

Rochdale are bottom of League 1.

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63 places between them.

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But what a expericnce this will be

for Rochdale who have

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nothing to lose tonight,

they will dare to dream.

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Rochdale manager Keith Hill

says his team must act

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"like a Premier League side"

in tonight's replay at Wembley.

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The League One side scored late

on to draw 2-2 with Tottenham

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earlier this month.

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Steve Davies with the dramatic

injury-time equaliser

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The winner of tonight's

tie will play Swansea

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who are into the quarter finals

of the FA Cup for the

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first time since 1964.

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2-0 they beat Sheffield Wednesday

in their fifth round replay last

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night, that's Nathan Dyer

with the second as Swansea boss

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Caros Carvallyhal got one over

the team who sacked him in December.

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-- Carlos Carvalhal.

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I'll be back with

the headlines at 9.30

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Full

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First this morning, an interview

with the police officer in charge

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of catching Britain's paedophiles.

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His name is Simon Bailey,

he's the Chief

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Constable of Norfolk police

and the National Police

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Chiefs Council lead

on combating child abuse.

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He also heads up Operation Hydrant,

the nationwide inquiry

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into historical child sexual abuse.

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It comes as a national child abuse

helpline reveals there were more

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than 10,000 call attempts and 50%

rise in visits to their website

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in the five weeks after

footballer Andy Woodward

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appeared on our programme talking

about the abuse he suffered

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at the hands of paedophile coach

Barry Bennell.

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NAPAC, the National Association

for People Abused in Childhood saw

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a surge in the number of people

getting in touch in the five weeks

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between 16 November

and 20 December 2016.

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We will speak to Chief Constable

Bailey in a moment.

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First here's a reminder of how

the football abuse scandal unfolded.

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The impact it's had on my life

is just catastrophic and you live

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with that all your life.

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And I can't put into words

what that has done to me.

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HE SIGHS.

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Both my parents have

died and that hurts me.

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Yeah.

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Not telling them.

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Does it?

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Yeah.

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I don't know that it's a good thing

that I did or I didn't tell them

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because they would blame themselves.

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This has not been easy for me to do

but I felt that I needed to do this

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so that other people will come out.

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I've lived a normal life,

I've lived a normal life,

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as normal as I can.

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But when you've got something

like that inside of you, it's

0:19:350:19:38

something like that is going to stay

with you until the day you die.

0:19:380:19:46

What we've got to do is to make sure

that those victims are supported.

0:19:490:19:53

That this doesn't turn

into an exercise where football

0:19:530:19:55

tries to protect its own reputation.

0:19:550:20:03

When you signed that

confidentiality agreement,

0:20:100:20:11

what were you thinking

when they wanted you to keep quiet

0:20:110:20:14

about it, about the abuse

that you'd suffered?

0:20:140:20:16

With the document, I was basically

pushed into a corner.

0:20:160:20:23

Let's talk to Chief Constable Simon

Bailey, the lead officer

0:20:470:20:49

for child protection at

the National Police Chiefs Councils

0:20:490:20:51

and the head of Operation Hydrant,

the nationwide inquiry

0:20:510:20:54

into historical child sexual abuse.

0:20:540:20:56

If you have a question for him, send

me an e-mail or message me on

0:20:560:21:02

Twitter. Chief Constable Bailey,

thank you for speaking to us. Last

0:21:020:21:06

week we saw former

0:21:060:21:07

thank you for speaking to us. Last

week we saw former football coach

0:21:070:21:07

Gary Benno sentenced to 31 years in

jail for abusing boys in the 1970s,

0:21:070:21:13

80s and 90s. How do you react to the

outcome of that trial?

I have

0:21:130:21:19

obviously watched the trial with

interest -- Barry Bennell. I have

0:21:190:21:23

been engaged with a number of

parties involved and I was of course

0:21:230:21:26

very pleased to see the outcome and

I think justice will be seen to have

0:21:260:21:30

been served.

As you are the lead on

combating child sexual abuse, is it

0:21:300:21:35

right that the police spend time and

resources investigating allegations

0:21:350:21:40

from 30 or years ago?

0:21:400:21:45

I think you have seen in your

programmes and in the football

0:21:450:21:49

scandal in particular, the damage

has been done and the fact is now

0:21:490:21:54

Bennell is serving a long custodial

sentence for the crimes he has

0:21:540:21:59

committed. It will take time and we

should investigate these allegations

0:21:590:22:03

because age is no barrier to

continuing to offend. I think it is

0:22:030:22:08

important that the police service is

able to demonstrate a commitment to

0:22:080:22:12

taking allegations of this nature

seriously. The victims have the

0:22:120:22:16

confidence to come forward and

report abuse. So that we can ensure

0:22:160:22:20

that their abusers are no longer in

a position of trust and are no

0:22:200:22:24

longer able to carry on abusing.

If

a paedophile did it 30 years ago,

0:22:240:22:29

they could still be doing it now,

that is one of the justifications

0:22:290:22:35

for investigating historical

allegations?

Absolutely, we still

0:22:350:22:38

received reports where adult males,

in particular, are still abusing

0:22:380:22:45

into their 70s or 80s.

Is there a

danger to children in Britain from

0:22:450:22:49

sexual abuse, is that danger growing

now?

Unfortunately I think it is, if

0:22:490:22:56

you look at the increasing number of

reports and crimes we are recording,

0:22:560:23:03

I am certain that victim confidence

is having a lot to do with that

0:23:030:23:06

increase but I cannot help but think

that volumes of levels of abuse are

0:23:060:23:09

increasing and I think so much of

this is being driven by the World

0:23:090:23:13

Wide Web. If you look at the action

that law enforcement is taking place

0:23:130:23:17

across the country, targeting those

people who are viewing it indecent

0:23:170:23:23

images of children, we are arresting

430 men every month. We are

0:23:230:23:32

safeguarding 700 children every

month, that is just from offenders

0:23:320:23:35

viewing images. That is not from the

tens of thousands of men

0:23:350:23:38

predominantly going online to groom

children, so that they provide them

0:23:380:23:43

with a sexualise image, or groom

them to then rape them.

0:23:430:23:52

Unfortunately I think we have to

look at it from a societal

0:23:520:23:56

perspective and we now have two

consider that unfortunately there

0:23:560:24:00

are no more opportunities to abuse

and abuse could well be on the

0:24:000:24:03

increase.

How many potential child

abusers do you think there are in

0:24:030:24:08

Britain?

I think that is very

difficult to put in and on.

0:24:080:24:13

Potentially it could be unhelpful.

Sorry to interrupt, you have just

0:24:130:24:16

said that you are arresting 438 men

every month, and that is just for

0:24:160:24:21

viewing indecent images.

That is

correct, I think we have to accept

0:24:210:24:26

that there are tens of thousands

that the most important thing from

0:24:260:24:31

my perspective is that

unfortunately, the focus has been

0:24:310:24:34

upon the police service and what I

believe has been a very strong

0:24:340:24:38

response to the threat. But

ultimately, Victoria, every time we

0:24:380:24:42

make an arrest, the damage has

already been done and we have to

0:24:420:24:44

start looking at how we prevent the

abuse in the first place. For me,

0:24:440:24:50

that is around ensuring that parents

are confident around speaking to

0:24:500:24:54

their children about the risks of

technology and also the threat that

0:24:540:25:00

exists within that familial circle

and for children to have a

0:25:000:25:05

resilience and confidence to report

any concerns. The importance of

0:25:050:25:09

reinforcing the message within

schools and the importance of PSA

0:25:090:25:13

chief education and awareness and,

from a technical perspective, we

0:25:130:25:20

have to start putting pressure on

companies that provide networks,

0:25:200:25:27

infrastructure and platforms that

allow people to perpetrate abuse --

0:25:270:25:31

PSHE education.

I will ask about

technology in a moment but can you

0:25:310:25:35

confirm potentially there are tens

of thousands of paedophiles in

0:25:350:25:37

Britain. Is that 20,000, 30,000?

I

think 20,000 is probably a

0:25:370:25:46

conservative estimate.

So what,

double that?

I'm not sure that

0:25:460:25:50

trying to put a figure on it and

gain a headline is helpful.

I'm

0:25:500:25:56

actually just trying to understand

the scale of it in this country.

The

0:25:560:26:00

scale of it is huge. There is

absolutely no doubt in my mind

0:26:000:26:05

whatsoever. I think it is one of the

greatest threats we currently face

0:26:050:26:08

from a policing perspective. You

only have to look at the activity

0:26:080:26:14

taking place across the country

every single day, dealing with

0:26:140:26:17

reports of non-recent abuse, dealing

with reports of familial abuse,

0:26:170:26:22

which is still by far the greatest

volume of abuse that we take that

0:26:220:26:27

then looking at how we meet the

challenges of abuse that is being

0:26:270:26:32

perpetrated through digital

technology. And the increasing

0:26:320:26:36

volumes that we had to deal with

than the chain -- changing volume of

0:26:360:26:44

that. Now we are dealing with an

emerging threat where live streaming

0:26:440:26:47

platforms are affording men and on

occasions women the opportunity to

0:26:470:26:51

seek to groom children.

And what

should the social media companies,

0:26:510:26:57

Internet companies, do about that?

You've made it clear in this

0:26:570:27:02

interview and I have seen your

tweets where you have said other

0:27:020:27:04

stakeholders, as you politely put

it, need to match the kind of

0:27:040:27:08

commitment your officers are making?

And I genuinely believe the

0:27:080:27:14

technology exists through artificial

intelligence and algorithms that are

0:27:140:27:18

already there, that we can make

uploading of indecent images really

0:27:180:27:22

difficult and we can take indecent

images down. But the greatest threat

0:27:220:27:26

that I am now seeing is the chat

rooms, live streaming applications

0:27:260:27:31

that are now being used by

paedophiles to exploit children, and

0:27:310:27:35

those companies that are providing

those networks, that infrastructure,

0:27:350:27:39

I believe they should be policing

it. I think it is unrealistic, it is

0:27:390:27:45

impossible, for the police service

to be able to do that as well.

0:27:450:27:49

Recognising all of the challenges

that we currently face.

The work

0:27:490:27:53

that you face is overwhelming

because you are at saturation point?

0:27:530:27:57

We are having to deal with

unprecedented volumes of reports and

0:27:570:28:01

if we just look back at October

2016, where did the football scandal

0:28:010:28:11

come from? Andrew Woodward had the

courage to come forward. Look at the

0:28:110:28:15

volumes of reports that have come

forward as a result. Look at the

0:28:150:28:18

demand that was placed upon a number

of police forces. Are they going to

0:28:180:28:24

be further incidents or reports like

this? I cannot rule it out. If you

0:28:240:28:27

look at the number of reports that

Operation Hydrant receives on a

0:28:270:28:32

monthly basis, those numbers are

still in the region of 120, 125

0:28:320:28:37

reports every month. We are getting

a really good understanding of where

0:28:370:28:42

non-recent abuse has been

perpetrated. It is predominantly in

0:28:420:28:46

schools and within care settings.

But that is just one of the volumes

0:28:460:28:51

of reports that we are having to

deal with. As we said, familial

0:28:510:28:54

abuse takes place within the home

environment or the immediate home

0:28:540:28:58

environment. That still accounts for

the greatest amount of abuse. But

0:28:580:29:01

there is no doubt in my mind that

technology is now affording people

0:29:010:29:06

that have a sexual interest in

children an opportunity to abuse in

0:29:060:29:09

a way that they were never, ever

able to previously.

I would like to

0:29:090:29:16

ask you about self-styled Paedophile

Hunters, normally parents, who set

0:29:160:29:20

out to catch people who may be

grooming children and arranging to

0:29:200:29:26

meet what they think our children or

teenagers but turn out to be the

0:29:260:29:31

so-called Paedophile Hunters, are

they doing the right thing?

I have

0:29:310:29:36

said on numerous occasions that I do

not think they are doing the right

0:29:360:29:39

thing. They are taking unnecessary

risks, they are putting children's

0:29:390:29:44

lives at risk. They are putting the

lives of innocent people at risk.

0:29:440:29:47

This is not something that should be

tackled by people who are not

0:29:470:29:51

professional or trained, and have

undertaken the correct risk

0:29:510:30:01

assessments. This should be left to

the police and members of the public

0:30:010:30:04

have concerns that an individual may

be seeking to groom a child, or

0:30:040:30:09

sexually abuse a child, they should

report their concerns to us so that

0:30:090:30:13

we can act upon those concerns.

0:30:130:30:18

I want to ask you finally how you go

about investigating crimes from so

0:30:180:30:22

long ago, if you can give an

insight, there are no forensics, you

0:30:220:30:28

cannot do house-to-house enquiries,

so how do you go about making those

0:30:280:30:31

investigations and building a case?

The most important thing is we

0:30:310:30:36

thoroughly investigate and research

and listened with great care and

0:30:360:30:41

consideration to the victims that

are coming forward, and through that

0:30:410:30:44

process, we gain their confidence.

And they're able to demonstrate that

0:30:440:30:51

confidence to disclose more and more

and that will point us in the

0:30:510:30:56

direction of other victims. You then

develop a rich picture where people

0:30:560:31:01

are able to recall certain times and

places where certain people were

0:31:010:31:05

there. And Andrew Woodward was the

catalyst, and your programme shone a

0:31:050:31:12

light on this. Some anime or victims

then had the -- so many more victims

0:31:120:31:18

then had the confidence to come

forward. So much of our work on

0:31:180:31:22

non-recent investigations is around

the skills and ability of incredibly

0:31:220:31:26

talented and dedicated police

officers spending time getting the

0:31:260:31:30

confidence of victims and survivors

who are then able to create that

0:31:300:31:34

rich picture where they demonstrate

a system of abuse, a particular

0:31:340:31:40

style of abuse. And they are able to

present to the courts really

0:31:400:31:47

compelling cases.

Thank you very

much for coming on the programme, we

0:31:470:31:51

appreciate your time, thank you.

Chief comes the Simon Bailey, the

0:31:510:31:57

police officer, -- Constable Simon

Bailey, the lead officer for the

0:31:570:32:04

operation hydrant. You heard him

warn about the dangers of life live

0:32:040:32:11

streaming, and the become please

could be doing more in terms of

0:32:110:32:14

technology and algorithms to

interrupt and put a block on child

0:32:140:32:20

sexual abuse images that are

constantly uploaded to the Internet.

0:32:200:32:26

You also heard him saying he thinks

potentially there are 20,000

0:32:260:32:29

paedophiles in Britain and that in a

way, the police are overwhelmed by

0:32:290:32:34

all the reports but nevertheless

encouragement to anybody who has

0:32:340:32:42

experienced child sexual abuse to

report it to the police.

0:32:420:32:46

Still to come: the snow may have

disrupted your travel this

0:32:460:32:49

morrning but what about people

forced to live in these

0:32:490:32:51

freezing conditions?

0:32:510:32:52

We'll be speaking to a man who's

been homeless for 18 years

0:32:520:32:55

about how he's been coping.

0:32:550:32:58

Time for a summary of

the latest BBC News.

0:32:590:33:07

The European Union's chief

negotiator Michel Barnier will

0:33:080:33:10

publish the first draft of the EU

exit treaty this morning detailing

0:33:100:33:13

the terms of the UK's departure. The

draft document is expected to say

0:33:130:33:19

the Northern Ireland would have two

follow EU single market rules to

0:33:190:33:23

avoid a so-called hard border with

checks and barriers and less

0:33:230:33:27

alternatives are found. Downing

Street has dismissed any prospect of

0:33:270:33:30

a return to hard border.

The cold weather has intensified

0:33:300:33:34

overnight bringing more disruption

to parts of the UK. Drivers have

0:33:340:33:37

been warned to take extra care as

emergency services deal with

0:33:370:33:41

stranded motorists and crashes.

Hundreds of schools are closed and

0:33:410:33:45

public transport is widely affected.

0:33:450:33:48

The public's satisfaction

with the NHS has seen a sharp

0:33:480:33:51

decline over the last year,

with our opinion of GP

0:33:510:33:53

services at its lowest level

since records began.

0:33:530:33:55

The latest British Social Attitudes

survey of 3000 people

0:33:550:33:58

across England, Wales and Scotland,

found that almost a third

0:33:580:34:01

of respondents were

unhappy with the NHS

0:34:010:34:02

with prolonged waiting

times being cited as one

0:34:020:34:10

of the main concerns.

0:34:100:34:11

President Trump's son-in-law

and senior adviser, Jared Kushner,

0:34:110:34:13

has had his security clearance

at the White House downgraded.

0:34:130:34:15

Having previously had a leading role

in the administration,

0:34:150:34:17

Mr Kushner now won't be able

to view sensitive documents.

0:34:170:34:20

There's speculation his previous

business dealings may be the reason

0:34:200:34:23

for his change of status.

0:34:230:34:30

Two big high street names

are on the brink of collapse

0:34:300:34:32

with both Toys R Us and Maplin

trying to find buyers.

0:34:320:34:35

The struggling retailers,

two of the UK's best known chains,

0:34:350:34:38

are understood to have put

administrators on stand-by after

0:34:380:34:40

failing to secure a rescue deal.

0:34:400:34:41

Toys R Us employs around 3,000

workers, whilst Maplin has

0:34:410:34:44

2,500 members of staff.

0:34:440:34:52

That's the latest BBC News. Ben

Stokes was named man of the match

0:34:570:35:02

after hitting 63 for injured either

their six wicket win over New

0:35:020:35:05

Zealand which levelled the series at

1-1. The all-rounder was playing in

0:35:050:35:10

his second match after his

suspension, England dismissed the

0:35:100:35:17

hosts.

0:35:170:35:22

hosts. It was 1964 when Swansea city

last to reach the quarterfinals of

0:35:220:35:25

the FA Cup. That was the year before

the manager was born but they are

0:35:250:35:30

through to victory over his old club

Sheffield Wednesday. They will face

0:35:300:35:35

either Tottenham or watch down next,

their replay is at Wembley tonight,

0:35:350:35:40

62 places between the sides. The gap

in the top of the Scottish

0:35:400:35:43

permission is down to six point

after Rangers beat St Johnstone 4-1

0:35:430:35:47

but leaders Celtic camp away this

evening if they take on -- can pull

0:35:470:35:51

away this evening if they beat their

rivals.

0:35:510:35:56

Laura Kenny and Jason Kenny are back

in action tonight, they have brought

0:35:560:36:01

their six-month-old baby with them

to the challenge in the Netherlands.

0:36:010:36:05

Coverage will be across the BBC.

0:36:050:36:10

This morning sees a major step

forward in the negotiations between

0:36:100:36:12

Britain and the European Union over

Brexit.

0:36:120:36:14

The EU is publishing its first draft

agreement for how things

0:36:140:36:16

like trade and the movement

of people will work.

0:36:160:36:20

The EU's chief negotiator,

Michel Barnier, will be outlining

0:36:200:36:23

the proposals later.

0:36:230:36:24

Amongst the proposals will be

the preferred option on the future

0:36:240:36:27

of the Irish border,

and who will ultimately rule

0:36:270:36:32

on trade disputes involving

British and EU companies.

0:36:320:36:34

To tell us more about what we can

expect, let's talk to our

0:36:340:36:37

political guru Norman Smith.

0:36:370:36:41

He will explain it all in plain

English which is one of the many

0:36:410:36:45

reasons why I love you!

Flattery

will get you everywhere!

I do mean

0:36:450:36:50

it. Let's talk about the border,

there is an invisible border between

0:36:500:36:55

Northern Ireland and the Republic at

the moment. And the EU wants it to

0:36:550:36:58

remain like that.

Yes, the problem

is basically this. At the moment

0:36:580:37:04

there is no border because Northern

Island and the EU are altogether,

0:37:040:37:10

there doesn't have to be a border,

goods can flow across without any

0:37:100:37:14

problem. Once we leave the EU, we're

in a different ball game and the

0:37:140:37:18

conundrum most sites have been

wrestling with is how you avoid

0:37:180:37:23

border checks when the UK and the EU

are going to be separate. How do you

0:37:230:37:29

avoid having to have customs checks

along the border between Northern

0:37:290:37:32

Ireland and the Republic of Ireland?

The proposal which the EU have come

0:37:320:37:36

up with, or it seems they're going

to come up with, is saying that

0:37:360:37:42

basically, Northern Ireland can

pretty much carry on as is within

0:37:420:37:44

sort of arrangement where they stick

by existing EU rules when it comes

0:37:440:37:52

to Customs and trade, they remain

inside the EU customs union. The

0:37:520:37:56

problem with that from the British

government's point of view is they

0:37:560:38:00

believe that would be carving out a

separate deal, almost a separate

0:38:000:38:04

Brexit steel, for Northern Ireland.

And that, they fear, would threaten

0:38:040:38:10

the territorial integrity of the UK.

Northern Ireland would be treated

0:38:100:38:15

differently from the rest of the UK

and it would threaten the single

0:38:150:38:18

market of the United Kingdom because

Northern Ireland would have

0:38:180:38:21

different trading arrangements and

be bound by the rules of the EU. So

0:38:210:38:25

the British government are going to

say no, that is simply not

0:38:250:38:29

acceptable. The danger then from the

EU's point of view is if you're not

0:38:290:38:34

going to have that kind of

arrangement, then you're going to

0:38:340:38:37

have to have a much harder, fixed

border, which is exactly what

0:38:370:38:41

everyone has been trying to avoid

largely because of the peace

0:38:410:38:47

process. Because central to

diffusing tensions, hostilities was

0:38:470:38:51

doing away with any sort of border.

The real fears is that if you

0:38:510:38:56

reintroduce a border, never mind the

inconvenience and costs to business,

0:38:560:39:00

the real fear is you rewind the

clock and go back to all the

0:39:000:39:04

tensions and hostilities and

difficulties and sectarian splits

0:39:040:39:09

that so damaged Northern Ireland and

Ireland in the past.

Thank you very

0:39:090:39:15

much, Norman.

0:39:150:39:17

Let's talk to Katie Daughen

from the British Irish Chamber

0:39:170:39:20

of Commerce, which represents

businesses that work

0:39:200:39:21

in both countries.

0:39:210:39:22

Colm Gribben, who has lived

and worked on the Irish

0:39:220:39:25

border for his whole life.

0:39:250:39:26

And the pro-Brexit

Conservative MP Nigel Evans.

0:39:260:39:29

Nigel Evans, this is going to be a

problem, what's your solution?

It

0:39:290:39:34

shouldn't be a problem.

It's going

to be.

Why? You can make something

0:39:340:39:39

as difficult as he wants to be but

we really are starting from the

0:39:390:39:41

wrong point. What we ought to be

looking at is the deal between the

0:39:410:39:47

United Kingdom and the European

Union first.

This is what Michel

0:39:470:39:50

Barnier should be focusing on. But

that is not what is happening so

0:39:500:39:54

let's deal with this.

I know it is

not but it should be.

But it isn't,

0:39:540:40:01

so let's deal...

If we get the sort

of frictionless deal we get between

0:40:010:40:06

the EU and the UK, this sort of

issue that we're talking about in

0:40:060:40:09

the north and south of Ireland this

appears, so why did we focus on

0:40:090:40:13

that?

Because people are worried.

The European Union are introducing

0:40:130:40:18

this is a real issue and a real

problem when it shouldn't be. We are

0:40:180:40:22

starting from the wrong bondage

find. Secondly, what I would say to

0:40:220:40:25

Michel Barnier -- wrong vantage

point. What I would say to Michel

0:40:250:40:31

Barnier is that he knows the British

government doesn't want a hard

0:40:310:40:34

border between the hard border, the

Irish Taoiseach doesn't want one

0:40:340:40:38

either so it's not going to happen.

And it should not happen unless of

0:40:380:40:42

course the European Union foists

that onto the Irish and I would be

0:40:420:40:46

really interested to see what the

Taoiseach would have to say about

0:40:460:40:49

that. Because we want to see the

free flow of goods and services as

0:40:490:40:56

is happening now.

Even though Boris

Johnson in that leaked memo

0:40:560:40:59

suggested that the government should

focusing on the Irish border

0:40:590:41:05

becoming significantly harder?

He's

looking at all the options.

It's

0:41:050:41:09

counter the government policy.

Of

course it is but he's looking at all

0:41:090:41:16

the options. If the European Union

insists there should be a hard

0:41:160:41:18

border, it's right we should look at

the options. We don't want it, the

0:41:180:41:22

Irish don't want it and I hope we

should resist Michel Barnier.

Nobody

0:41:220:41:26

wants it so what's the issue?

It's

important to understand that what is

0:41:260:41:31

being discussed here is illegal

under fitting to commitments that

0:41:310:41:35

were made in December by the UK

Government and the EU. We would

0:41:350:41:41

agree that a trade agreement is the

preferential way of achieving

0:41:410:41:45

borderless status on the of Ireland.

But measures need to protect the

0:41:450:41:57

Good Friday Agreement and all that

entails including the all Ireland

0:41:570:42:01

economy. We would still like to see

the issue addressed through option a

0:42:010:42:06

and B, as they are common in

referred to. But the UK Government

0:42:060:42:10

did make commitments saying that

should those options fail, measures

0:42:100:42:14

would be put in place to keep

Northern Ireland aligned with

0:42:140:42:18

Ireland on regulatory issues and in

line with the single market and

0:42:180:42:23

Customs union. All the draft text

today is doing is giving the legal

0:42:230:42:30

underpinning to it. A separate

commitment was made by the UK

0:42:300:42:37

Government that should that option

come into play, there would be no

0:42:370:42:40

Borders put up to Northern Ireland

and the rest of the UK which is

0:42:400:42:43

getting a bit less discussion. We

would agree that we would want to

0:42:430:42:46

see a trade agreement come into

place that would suggest this issues

0:42:460:42:49

and we published eight paper which

suggests that last year.

You have

0:42:490:42:56

spent your life on the border,

expense of the rest of the UK what

0:42:560:43:01

it

0:43:010:43:03

expense of the rest of the UK what

mean to you is their end up being

0:43:030:43:06

the border.

To be honest with you,

I'm a 46 years of age, I have grown

0:43:060:43:12

up in the Times Troubles and since

the ceasefire as well.

0:43:120:43:22

the ceasefire as well. Society has

transformed, it was unemployment

0:43:220:43:25

rates of 30% and more in the 70s and

now it is 3%. I think that is

0:43:250:43:33

because of the free trade across the

border. From a purely business point

0:43:330:43:37

of view, we don't want to see if

changing. It's working quite well

0:43:370:43:41

the way it is and from our

perspective, to have any sort of

0:43:410:43:45

physical border there which would

delay the movement of workers and

0:43:450:43:48

goats, would just be a nightmare to

be honest. -- the movement of

0:43:480:43:55

workers and goods.

That is the trade

side, what about the peace side?

0:43:550:43:59

People say if there was a border,

checkpoints, that is a target for

0:43:590:44:03

dissidents in the future.

Of course,

I'm speaking from a business point

0:44:030:44:08

of view.

I'm not a politician. No,

I'm asking you as a resident of

0:44:080:44:14

Northern Ireland. You've lived

through the Troubles and you've

0:44:140:44:16

lived when there has not been a

border and relative peace, so,

0:44:160:44:21

that's...

Of course, it's a reality.

Nobody wants to see that. I have

0:44:210:44:27

four kids ranging from 19 to ten,

they know nothing but the situation

0:44:270:44:31

at the minute and that's how I

wanted to remain. It does get

0:44:310:44:36

difficult and hard border is

introduced and there's a of any sort

0:44:360:44:39

of threat, no one wants to see that.

Nigel Evans, what is the difference

0:44:390:44:47

between Labour and the Conservative

position on Brexit? Labour have

0:44:470:44:51

called for a close and cooperative

relationship with the EU on exit,

0:44:510:44:55

the Conservative have called for a

deeper special religion shipped

0:44:550:44:59

after Brexit.

It's all changed with

the Corbyn speech, saying that they

0:44:590:45:06

would leave the customs union and

join customs union which basically

0:45:060:45:11

hankers after the EU negotiating

trade unions -- handcuffs us to the

0:45:110:45:16

EU negotiating trade. We are not

going to be paying billions of

0:45:160:45:23

pounds of British taxpayers money

into the European Union to access a

0:45:230:45:26

market where we have a £70 billion

deficit. It's really simple. People

0:45:260:45:29

ask for clarity, verities.

-- there

it is.

0:45:290:45:39

it is. Watched you say about the

civil service saying it giving up a

0:45:390:45:41

three course meal for a packet of

crisps?

It a great sound bite from

0:45:410:45:46

the EU loving former mandarin, we

know where his loyalties lie.

It

0:45:460:45:49

doesn't mean it's not true.

It isn't

true. You talk about the potential

0:45:490:45:56

of trade deals around the world

including the US, you sort Liam Fox

0:45:560:46:00

talk about that. The IMF has said

that the fastest-growing parts of

0:46:000:46:04

the world are outside the European

Union. 90% of the growth over the

0:46:040:46:09

next 15 years is going to happen in

those countries. These are the

0:46:090:46:13

countries we want to deal with.

0:46:130:46:18

Quick final thought, you were meant

to be going to Burma today with

0:46:180:46:22

colleagues but you were not granted

a Visa, why?

This is the

0:46:220:46:27

international aid select committee,

we were not told until last night

0:46:270:46:29

that the Visas had not come through.

Clearly it is political, it has got

0:46:290:46:34

to be. We brought a reporter

critical of the regime in the

0:46:340:46:39

country, about the way they are

dealing with the Rohingya and that

0:46:390:46:43

can be the only reason why they have

denied us the Visas. The British and

0:46:430:46:49

gave £100 million worth of aid to

the country but not to the

0:46:490:46:52

government, I hasten to add. Clearly

it is important that we, as a select

0:46:520:46:57

committee, see how the money is

being spent and I think it is

0:46:570:47:00

appalling that these fees ares have

not been coming forward.

Nigel

0:47:000:47:04

Evans, thank you. Thank you to both

of our guests, thank you for coming

0:47:040:47:09

on the programme.

Some breaking news now. Toys "R" Us

0:47:090:47:14

has just gone into administration,

putting 3200 jobs at risk. Toys "R"

0:47:140:47:20

Us has gone into administration,

3200 jobs are at risk. We will bring

0:47:200:47:26

you the reaction to that, of course,

and any news on Maplin during the

0:47:260:47:31

course of the morning. Also coming

up... After ten o'clock.

0:47:310:47:38

After our

0:47:380:47:39

exclusive report earlier this week

0:47:390:47:40

about the Pupil Referral Unit

which primary children go

0:47:400:47:42

to when they are faced

with exclusion from school,

0:47:420:47:44

we'll be speaking to the head

of the ADHD Foundation,

0:47:440:47:47

about what can be done to help

improve the behaviour

0:47:470:47:49

of our primary school children.

0:47:490:47:53

And specifically he is writing to

the government to ask for much

0:47:530:47:56

quicker and earlier diagnosis of

children with ADHD.

0:47:560:48:00

Heavy snowfall has hit

many parts of the UK,

0:48:000:48:02

with the south-east and north-east

of England seeing up to 13 cm of

0:48:020:48:05

snow and temperatures of minus 12.

0:48:050:48:07

For people living on the street

these conditions can be treacherous.

0:48:070:48:09

In Edinburgh, two rough sleepers

have died this winter.

0:48:090:48:17

There is such a thing called

the 'Severe Weather Emergency

0:48:180:48:21

Protocol' which is activated

in these conditions which means

0:48:210:48:23

councils offer immediate

shelter to homeless people.

0:48:230:48:26

But is it working?

0:48:260:48:29

Let's speak to Bryan Gilchrist,

he's 50 and has been

0:48:290:48:32

homeless for 18 years.

0:48:320:48:33

He lives on the streets of London.

0:48:330:48:39

And Sally Huxtable and Chris Groves

who say they beg because they can't

0:48:390:48:42

afford to heat their

rough sleepers flat.

0:48:420:48:46

We will talk to them now. Hello,

thank you very much for coming onto

0:48:460:48:51

the programme. Good morning, Brian,

how was last night?

It was cold. It

0:48:510:49:00

started snowing really heavily at

about two o'clock, I woke up at 6am

0:49:000:49:03

with an inch of snow over the top of

me. It was pretty cold. I heard that

0:49:030:49:09

it was -10, minus 12. It was a

chilly night.

Why have you not

0:49:090:49:14

benefited from this severe weather

emergency protocol where authorities

0:49:140:49:17

would get you a roof over your head.

Because it isn't that simple, it is

0:49:170:49:22

first come first serve. The one that

I know that does it in Westminster,

0:49:220:49:31

Connections, they come around

maybe... Ten or 11 o'clock at night.

0:49:310:49:36

They will say, do you want to go

they don't say that they've got a

0:49:360:49:43

place for you, they say that they

will see if they can get a place,

0:49:430:49:46

they don't guarantee anywhere. It

isn't as simple as it sounds.

But

0:49:460:49:51

even someone saying that they will

see what they can do, isn't it

0:49:510:49:55

better than sleeping outside of the

London Palladium?

Yes, but a lot of

0:49:550:49:58

people don't want to go into the

hostels. Because of violence, drugs,

0:49:580:50:06

drink, whatever. People don't want

to go there.

What would you want to

0:50:060:50:10

do?

Me, I don't like hostels. I

don't like them. I've had pretty bad

0:50:100:50:17

experiences in them before. Me, I

would be happy with a place on

0:50:170:50:21

wearing. -- on my own. It's a

waiting game.

How do you keep warm

0:50:210:50:30

in these conditions?

At the moment,

I cannot carry everything I need to

0:50:300:50:34

keep warm. I carry the basics. I

have a couple of sleeping bags,

0:50:340:50:40

blankets, two or three jackets,

jumpers, had, scarves, and I've got

0:50:400:50:46

my bed to bundle them all on. I go

to sleep and hope to wake up in the

0:50:460:50:51

morning.

You hope you wake up in the

morning?

Yes.

And as people go by,

0:50:510:50:57

what do they do?

They keep going by.

Now and again people ask if you are

0:50:570:51:02

OK, they get you a coffee or

something to eat. But there are not

0:51:020:51:06

as many now as they used to be. I

think it is because there are a lot

0:51:060:51:10

more beggars on the streets now than

they used to be.

Not as many people

0:51:100:51:14

stop because there are more beggars?

That's right.

0:51:140:51:20

That's right.

Sally and Chris, thank

you for coming on the programme. You

0:51:210:51:23

are no longer living on the streets.

How long were you?

I was on the

0:51:230:51:28

streets for 11 years. That was

before I met Sally.

I had been on

0:51:280:51:33

the streets for three years.

Now you

have this so-called rough sleepers

0:51:330:51:38

flat, what does that mean?

Basically

we were put into a hostel first. The

0:51:380:51:45

outreach team came round before

anything would happen, they had to

0:51:450:51:50

see you and they had to see you

three times.

They had to see you

0:51:500:51:57

sleeping rough three times.

And

often they don't come back to see if

0:51:570:52:01

you are in the same place. Or where

you are. It could be once a month

0:52:010:52:05

they come, or if you are not there

the night that they come, that's it.

0:52:050:52:12

It doesn't count.

If they do see you

three times, what is supposed to

0:52:120:52:18

kick in?

What is supposed to

happen...

Your name is put down and

0:52:180:52:23

you wait for a room.

0:52:230:52:32

you wait for a room.

If you've never

been to London before. I didn't want

0:52:320:52:37

Sally being away from me in a

hostel, she has had bad experiences

0:52:370:52:43

in the past. With a load of men that

she doesn't know.

You have a flat

0:52:430:52:48

now. But you say that you cannot

afford to heat it.

0:52:480:52:58

afford to heat it.

The Electric

is...

It's a rough sleepers flat.

0:52:580:53:01

The landlord keeps one flat with

reduced rent, which housing benefit

0:53:010:53:05

will pay. The only problem is that

we have to pay a top up on top of

0:53:050:53:11

that. The windows are the old wooden

ones. It is actually warmer outside

0:53:110:53:18

then it is in the flat at the

moment.

Really? Bryan, have you been

0:53:180:53:26

around? Yes. So you will sweep round

every morning to check that those

0:53:260:53:30

who have slept on the streets is all

right.

I do ask him to come and

0:53:300:53:35

stay, but it is warmer outside.

Trying to get the money to put the

0:53:350:53:41

electric on to heat the flat, it is

old storage heaters and it is

0:53:410:53:47

just...

Really expensive? It eats

your money.

Basically it's when any

0:53:470:53:53

of us get up in the morning. As soon

as we are up, we go around and make

0:53:530:53:57

sure everyone is OK.

0:53:570:54:03

sure everyone is OK. And we try to

get money.

And when you say that,

0:54:030:54:07

what you mean?

The same as when we

were on the street really.

Begging.

0:54:070:54:11

Food. To heat the flat, even for a

couple of days, you know?

Is there

0:54:110:54:22

any possibility that you might be

able to get paid work one day?

I'd

0:54:220:54:26

love to. We would love to.

But over

the last few years, I've had chronic

0:54:260:54:32

back pain, which in this weather

isn't very nice, you know?

Which is

0:54:320:54:42

why you receive PIP, don't you?

Yes,

I receive that once a month. But

0:54:420:54:47

they knocked me off ESA, which I

cannot understand. If I am receiving

0:54:470:54:56

PIP, surely I should be able to

receive employment support

0:54:560:55:00

allowance?

They are changing all of

the benefits now.

0:55:000:55:07

the benefits now. It's fair enough

if you have somewhere to live and

0:55:070:55:10

everything else is paid for, but

when you have a lifestyle like ours,

0:55:100:55:14

which is not the normal lifestyle,

then it is hard to get help from

0:55:140:55:19

other people. We are basically

looked over.

0:55:190:55:28

looked over. We sat on the street,

that'll be fine, they will wake up

0:55:280:55:31

in the morning. We don't know where

we are going to.

It is like you are

0:55:310:55:36

invisible. Honestly, it's like nifty

sees you. Nobody. Nobody cares,

0:55:360:55:43

whatever.

I have had people step on

me or fall over me, they have not

0:55:430:55:47

been looking.

0:55:470:55:55

been looking. I know people have

their own lives to lead, but I don't

0:55:550:55:59

understand...

Why do you think that

is, do you think people don't know

0:55:590:56:02

what to say or they are embarrassed?

They don't think we are a member of

0:56:020:56:08

society any more.

Not everybody

thinks that.

There are a lot of

0:56:080:56:13

bogus beggars. How do you know a

real one from the bogus one?

That

0:56:130:56:20

was the story in Cambridgeshire this

week where police said that the

0:56:200:56:25

beggars were fake, scammers

effectively.

We are not all like

0:56:250:56:28

that.

How do you tell the

difference?

You are from Edinburgh,

0:56:280:56:34

why did you come to London?

If I

were still in Edinburgh, I would be

0:56:340:56:38

dead.

Why do you say that?

I was a

really heavy drinker so I came here

0:56:380:56:43

to get away from it.

As it worked?

Yes.

And you don't drink any more?

I

0:56:430:56:51

haven't had a drink for 15 months.

How does it make you feel?

Good, if

0:56:510:56:56

I was still in Edinburgh I would be

dead now.

I want to thank you all

0:56:560:57:01

very much for coming onto the

programme, telling people what it is

0:57:010:57:05

really like. It isn't easy. It isn't

easy, that's right. Thank you. At

0:57:050:57:13

ten o'clock we will bring you the

latest news and sport. And before

0:57:130:57:17

that we will bring you the weather.

Do

0:57:170:57:21

tell us all about it, Carol.

0:57:210:57:22

tell us all about it, Carol. Thank

you. There is a lot of snow in the

0:57:220:57:26

forecast today. The Met Office has a

and the weather warning out again.

0:57:260:57:34

Across central Scotland, north-east

England and Cumbria. We could see a

0:57:340:57:37

further 10-15 centimetres of snow

fall. This weather warning is valid

0:57:370:57:41

until tomorrow evening at 6pm. In

this area, there is a lot of loans

0:57:410:57:46

snow. In northern England we have 21

centimetres of lying snow. -- low

0:57:460:57:54

lying snow. In Aberdeenshire we have

nine centimetres. There is also the

0:57:540:57:59

risk of ice today, if you are

travelling take extra care. Snow

0:57:590:58:03

showers continue to pack in. Where

we have the samba weather warning.

0:58:030:58:07

We had a warning in the south-east

which is about to expire. It will

0:58:070:58:11

dry up in the south-east as the wind

moves in. There are snow shovels

0:58:110:58:20

across the far south-west.

Temperature wise, regardless of what

0:58:200:58:23

it says, freezing temperatures

across the UK. With wind chill,

0:58:230:58:31

looking at -11 degrees. That is how

it feels against your skin. The snow

0:58:310:58:36

will be blowing and drifting because

of strong winds, that will continue

0:58:360:58:40

this evening and overnight. More

snow piling in with that Amber

0:58:400:58:44

weather warning. There will be a lot

of dry weather between, a cold night

0:58:440:58:51

as well. Temperature is even lower

than this in the countryside and

0:58:510:58:55

where we do have lying snow.

Tomorrow, as well as our existing

0:58:550:59:00

web were quicker weather warning

from the Met Office, we have another

0:59:000:59:04

across south-west England and Wales.

Storm Emma comes up from the near

0:59:040:59:10

continent, there is a lot of

moisture in this storm and as it

0:59:100:59:12

engages with the cold across our

shores, it readily turns to snow.

0:59:120:59:16

You can see from the eyes of bars

that it will be windy, we have

0:59:160:59:20

drifting snow and the potential for

blizzards. If it moves further west

0:59:200:59:27

and east it will change the snow

distribution, this is what we have

0:59:270:59:31

at the moment. It could clip London

and it is heading in the direction

0:59:310:59:37

of Northern Ireland. Still more snow

to come for you in these areas, and

0:59:370:59:43

some dry and bright conditions

between. Temperatures about

0:59:430:59:50

freezing, and when you add on the

significant wind-chill, it will feel

0:59:500:59:54

a lot colder. -11 in this central

suede. Finally, on Friday, connected

0:59:541:00:01

to Emma, this system produces more

snow, pushing northwards. Snow

1:00:011:00:06

showers in the north, dry weather

between but still very cold.

1:00:061:00:14

Hello, it's ten o'clock.

1:00:141:00:15

I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

1:00:151:00:16

The Beast from the East hits home.

1:00:161:00:21

Drivers have been warned to take

extra care, hundreds of schools

1:00:211:00:24

are closed and public transport

is widely affected.

1:00:241:00:26

With temperatures falling as low

as minus 12, some councils

1:00:261:00:28

are offering emergency acommodation

to people sleeping on the streets.

1:00:281:00:31

We've been talking to one rough

sleeper about dealing

1:00:311:00:33

with the freezing temperatures.

1:00:331:00:38

Started snowing around two o'clock

really heavily, I woke up at six

1:00:391:00:43

with an inch of snow on top of me,

pretty cold. I had heard it was

1:00:431:00:50

minus 12. It was a chilly night.

1:00:501:00:52

A key document detailing

the proposed terms of the UK's

1:00:521:00:54

departure from the EU

is being published this morning.

1:00:541:00:57

It says Northern Ireland will have

to follow the rules of the EU's

1:00:571:01:00

single market if no one can come up

with a plan to avoid

1:01:001:01:03

a hard border between it

and the republic of Ireland.

1:01:031:01:08

What I would say to Michel Barnier

is that he knows that the British

1:01:081:01:13

government doesn't want a hard

border, between Northern Ireland and

1:01:131:01:18

Ireland, the Irish Taoiseach doesn't

want that either, so that's not

1:01:181:01:22

going to happen. And it shouldn't

happen.

1:01:221:01:28

Also, Meghan Markle, Prince Harry

and the Duke and Duchess of

1:01:281:01:31

Cambridge will be making their first

joint public appearance and we will

1:01:311:01:34

bring you live coverage.

1:01:341:01:37

Good morning, it's 10am.

1:01:401:01:41

Here's Joanna Gosling

in the BBC Newsroom

1:01:411:01:42

with a summary of todays news.

1:01:421:01:44

The European Union's Chief

negotiator Michel Barnier

1:01:441:01:45

will publish the first draft

of the EU's Brexit Treaty this

1:01:451:01:49

morning, detailing the terms

of the UK's departure.

1:01:491:01:53

The draft document is expected

to say Northern Ireland would have

1:01:531:01:56

to follow EU single market rules

to avoid a so-called "hard border"

1:01:561:01:59

with checks and barriers,

unless alternatives are found.

1:01:591:02:03

Downing Street has

dismissed any prospect

1:02:031:02:05

of a return to a hard border.

1:02:051:02:12

Yesterday a leaked letter from Boris

Johnson appeared to suggest there

1:02:121:02:17

could be customs checks in the

future, she has been speaking in the

1:02:171:02:21

last few minutes.

The issue of the

Northern Ireland border is being

1:02:211:02:24

used politically to try and keep the

UK into the customs union, and

1:02:241:02:31

effectively be single market, so we

can't really leave the EU, that's

1:02:311:02:34

what's going on. But the letter says

is that actually there are very good

1:02:341:02:39

solutions that you could put in

place that would obviate or prevent

1:02:391:02:44

any kind of hard border, but would

allow goods, people, people can't

1:02:441:02:51

move totally freely because it's a

common travel area, but allow goods

1:02:511:02:54

to leave and move freely.

1:02:541:02:58

The cold weather has

intensified overnight

1:02:581:02:59

bringing more disruption to parts

of the UK.

1:02:591:03:01

Drivers have been warned to take

extra care as emergency

1:03:011:03:03

services deal with stranded

motorists and crashes.

1:03:031:03:05

Hundreds of schools are closed

and public transport

1:03:051:03:07

is widely affected.

1:03:071:03:14

It's been announced that the

retailer Toys R Us has gone into

1:03:141:03:19

administration. It puts 3200 jobs at

risk but it's understood that stores

1:03:191:03:27

will continue to trade. They had

failed to secure a buyer.

1:03:271:03:31

The public's satisfaction

with the NHS has seen a sharp

1:03:311:03:34

decline over the last year,

with our opinion of GP

1:03:341:03:36

services at its lowest level

since records began.

1:03:361:03:38

The latest British Social Attitudes

survey of 3000 people

1:03:381:03:40

across England, Wales and Scotland,

found that almost a third

1:03:401:03:42

of respondents were

unhappy with the NHS

1:03:421:03:45

with prolonged waiting

times being cited as one

1:03:451:03:48

of the main concerns.

1:03:481:03:51

President Trump's son-in-law

and senior adviser, Jared Kushner,

1:03:511:03:53

has had his security clearance

at the White House downgraded.

1:03:531:03:57

Having previously had a leading role

in the administration,

1:03:571:03:59

Mr Kushner now won't be able

to view sensitive documents.

1:03:591:04:02

There's speculation his previous

business dealings may be the reason

1:04:021:04:05

for his change of status.

1:04:051:04:09

A BBC charity says it has sacked six

people for sexual harassment

1:04:091:04:12

or for watching pornography

on work computers.

1:04:121:04:15

BBC Media Action said the incidents

happened overseas in the past ten

1:04:151:04:19

years and those sacked

were all foreign nationals.

1:04:191:04:22

It comes as international charities

face closer scrutiny

1:04:221:04:26

following claims of sexual

misconduct by Oxfam staff in Haiti.

1:04:261:04:33

A supermarket in Amsterdam is

opening what it says is the world's

1:04:331:04:35

first plastic-free aisle.

1:04:351:04:37

An environmental campaign group

helped replace plastic packaging

1:04:371:04:39

with biodegradable materials

on around 700 products.

1:04:391:04:43

The company says it hopes to expand

the trial to all its 75 stores

1:04:431:04:46

by the end of the year.

1:04:461:04:50

That's a summary of the latest BBC

News, more at 10.30am.

1:04:501:04:56

Later this hour, Prince William,

the Duchess of Cambridge,

1:04:561:04:57

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle

will all appear for their first

1:04:571:05:00

royal engagement together.

1:05:001:05:01

We'll bring that to you live.

1:05:011:05:04

Also, we want your experience

of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity

1:05:041:05:08

Disorder after the ADHD Foundation

tells this programme it's calling

1:05:081:05:10

on the Government to take action

on delays in diagnosing

1:05:101:05:13

the condition in children.

1:05:131:05:20

Let me read you this text, I was

asking how long it took to be

1:05:211:05:26

diagnosed. It took me until I was 37

until I was diagnosed, all my life I

1:05:261:05:32

had suffered anxiety and for being,

as well as being Dipsy. I had to

1:05:321:05:35

really push but I got a result and

I'm now on a medication that allowed

1:05:351:05:41

me to have my life back and I'm

going back to college, finally. Alan

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says, my son is 22, he has a

diagnosis of ADHD, he was failed by

1:05:451:05:52

the education system, he's been 27

systems -- to seven different

1:05:521:05:58

places. At ten, he went to a school

for pregnant teenage mums because

1:05:581:06:02

there was no one else for his for

him to go. I have another text here,

1:06:021:06:08

people think that ADHD is an excuse

for bad behaviour but that is not

1:06:081:06:14

true. They are very forgetful, they

have difficulty following

1:06:141:06:19

instructions and avoid tasks that

make them feel comfortable.

1:06:191:06:24

Typically they have no self-esteem

or self belief and our actions and

1:06:241:06:28

impulsive. We would talk more about

ADHD in the next half an hour. Get

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in touch, very welcome, I'm very

grateful for any pertinent

1:06:311:06:39

experiences, you're the expert in

areas like this. Send us an e-mail

1:06:391:06:43

or message as on Twitter.

1:06:431:06:48

Ben Stokes looks to have put

all the controversy behind him -

1:06:481:06:51

he was man of the match in England's

six-wicket victory over New Zealand

1:06:511:06:54

in their second one-dayer.

1:06:541:06:56

He'd already taken a couple

of wickets when he came

1:06:561:06:58

to the crease and quickly set

about chasing their target of 244.

1:06:581:07:01

Stokes top-scored with

an unbeaten 63, as Jos Buttler

1:07:011:07:03

hit the winning runs.

1:07:031:07:10

But how about this for a catch?

1:07:101:07:13

A fine one-handed take

by a man in the crowd -

1:07:131:07:18

and you can understand his wild

celebrations because that won him

1:07:181:07:20

a prize of 50,000 NZ dollars -

that's about £26,000.

1:07:201:07:26

Free tea and coffee was dished

out to warm up the fans

1:07:261:07:29

at the Liberty Stadium last night

as Swansea reached

1:07:291:07:31

the quarterfinals of the FA Cup

for the first time in 54 years.

1:07:311:07:34

They beat Sheffield Wednesday 2-0,

Nathan Dyer sending this effort

1:07:341:07:39

straight through the keeper's

legs for their second.

1:07:391:07:41

Tottenham or Rochdale

await in the next round,

1:07:411:07:45

their replay is at Wembley tonight.

1:07:451:07:48

The gap at the top of

the Scottish Premiership

1:07:481:07:50

is down to six points,

after second-placed Rangers

1:07:501:07:53

beat St Johnstone 4-1,

Alfredo Morelos rounding things off.

1:07:531:07:56

Leaders Celtic can pull away

again tonight though -

1:07:561:08:00

they play Dundee.

1:08:001:08:04

That match has just been postponed

because of weather. Other fixtures

1:08:041:08:09

in the Scottish premiership have

also been postponed.

1:08:091:08:17

Greg Rutherford has pulled out of

the world indoor champion Joe 's

1:08:181:08:20

which starts on Friday. He has

already withdrawn from the man of

1:08:201:08:26

games in April. He missed the World

Championships last year within ankle

1:08:261:08:32

injury and he has also had groin

surgery. He will focus on returning

1:08:321:08:37

to full fitness to defend his

European title in August.

1:08:371:08:41

There's been a fair bit

of controversy over paralympic

1:08:411:08:44

classifications recently

and the British Paralympic

1:08:441:08:45

Association has

published new guidance.

1:08:451:08:46

The UK Athlete Classification Code

places athletes' rights

1:08:461:08:48

and responsibilities at the heart

of the process, as they bid to

1:08:481:08:51

prevent manipulation of the system.

1:08:511:08:57

I think it's about absolutely

understanding who was responsible

1:08:571:09:00

for what, and particularly, how can

we better educate the athletes, the

1:09:001:09:06

support personnel, everyone involved

in the delivery of Paralympic sport,

1:09:061:09:09

to make sure they understand how the

process works and more importantly

1:09:091:09:12

at a national level, what their

response abilities are. Then it

1:09:121:09:15

comes to it, there will be a better

understanding of that so that anyone

1:09:151:09:20

who has concerned can base that on

at genuine concern rather than

1:09:201:09:26

misunderstandings.

1:09:261:09:27

Cyclists Laura and Jason Kenny

are back competing today,

1:09:271:09:29

hopefully having had a good night's

sleep because they've

1:09:291:09:31

taken their six month old baby

Albie along with them

1:09:311:09:34

to the Track Cycling World

Championships in the Netherlands.

1:09:341:09:36

in a city apartment,

along with the grandparents who'll

1:09:361:09:38

be helping out with childcare.

1:09:381:09:39

The Kennys are two of seven Olympic

champions in the British team.

1:09:391:09:47

Headlines in half an hour.

Pete wanted to say this, it's

1:09:481:09:56

heartbreaking watching the three

people who have been on the streets.

1:09:561:10:00

And, says, no one should be

homeless, it's not just the home

1:10:001:10:04

they need but help to get benefits

and food. The richer you are, the

1:10:041:10:09

more they think they are ability --

invisible. I always give money, no

1:10:091:10:17

one should be on the streets.

Toys R Us has gone into

1:10:171:10:24

administration, does that mean it

has gone bust?

Yes, administration

1:10:241:10:27

technical language meaning that the

efforts to save it as a company has

1:10:271:10:33

failed. They will carry on trading

for well, they will see if they can

1:10:331:10:39

sell off bits of it, but they failed

the whole thing will wind down and

1:10:391:10:43

the stores will close. That is

crushingly disappointing for staff.

1:10:431:10:48

Before Christmas, a deal was done

which meant that they got some rents

1:10:481:10:52

down in its shops, they post some

shops and that hasn't worked. As far

1:10:521:10:59

as customers is not today, stores

will carry on trading, you can go in

1:10:591:11:04

and buy things. Anyone who has been

there recently will see that the

1:11:041:11:08

shares are quite there but there are

a lot of discounts, so there's a

1:11:081:11:15

reason to go in.

What will happen to

the 3200 staff members and why has

1:11:151:11:19

it gone bust?

It's a very bleak

outlook for the staff. The

1:11:191:11:24

administrators, that's the

accountants who are now in charge,

1:11:241:11:28

saying it trades on for the moment

while they see what they can do. But

1:11:281:11:32

they've given of March 11 where

people had put down deposits, they

1:11:321:11:38

will still be valid and they will be

a will to pick up their goods.

1:11:381:11:41

That's only two weekends away.

People will look at that date at

1:11:411:11:46

perhaps the beginning of the end if

they cannot sell any of the stores.

1:11:461:11:53

For the staff, the danger is they

lose their jobs, they fall back for

1:11:531:12:00

statutory redundancy pay. That might

mean a few thousand pounds for

1:12:001:12:03

someone who has worked there a long

time, and that's not a replacement

1:12:031:12:07

for the job they had. For customers,

vouchers and gift cards are still

1:12:071:12:12

valid for the moment, there's a

March 11 cut off, if you want to use

1:12:121:12:15

anything, use it by them. Why has it

happened? They had a lot of debt to

1:12:151:12:21

pay off, they had a pension scheme

which was expensive that they had to

1:12:211:12:24

put money into. And people just were

not shopping in such great numbers

1:12:241:12:30

there. People were not prepared to

make that drive out of town just to

1:12:301:12:34

buy toys at their prices when they

might get them off the Internet or

1:12:341:12:37

get them from the big supermarkets.

Thank you.

1:12:371:12:41

This week we've had exclusive access

to the work going on at Hawkswood

1:12:411:12:44

Primary Pupil Referral Unit

in Northeast London.

1:12:441:12:45

It's the place children as young

as four in the borough

1:12:451:12:48

of Waltham Forest, are sent

when they're in danger

1:12:481:12:51

of being excluded from

their mainstream school.

1:12:511:12:54

We've been given a unique insight

into how teachers there deal

1:12:541:12:59

with outbursts and even

violence from pupils.

1:12:591:13:01

We asked the Head Teacher

at Hawkswood, Marie Gentles,

1:13:011:13:05

to explain some of the many

techniques they use.

1:13:051:13:11

You didn't listen straightaway.

1:13:111:13:12

You weren't keeping yourself

safe or your friends.

1:13:121:13:14

So that's one minute gone.

1:13:141:13:18

What a shame.

1:13:181:13:21

We need to understand children's

behaviour as communication.

1:13:301:13:32

So if the child is acting

out in a certain way,

1:13:321:13:35

we need to look at -

what are the communicating to us?

1:13:351:13:38

What's the trigger?

1:13:381:13:39

What are they trying to tell us?

1:13:391:13:40

Oh, not quite.

1:13:401:13:41

Archie?

1:13:411:13:42

Numbers.

1:13:421:13:44

Oh, not quite!

1:13:441:13:45

Oh, I'm not looking

for a shouting out.

1:13:451:13:46

I'm looking for people with their

hand up nicely, like Kayden.

1:13:461:13:49

It's...

1:13:491:13:50

Handwriting!

1:13:501:13:51

Yes, another high ten.

1:13:511:13:52

That's ten, and ten, and ten.

1:13:521:13:54

That's 30 for me this morning.

1:13:541:13:55

Right, let's see who is ready.

1:13:551:13:57

The most important thing,

we think, is around forming

1:13:571:13:59

attachments with the children.

1:13:591:14:00

So you've got to have an attachment

with the child in order

1:14:001:14:03

for them to respond to you.

1:14:031:14:04

What a smashing start.

1:14:041:14:05

Shall we do hand over hand together?

1:14:051:14:07

So you can see what it feels

like to write letters.

1:14:071:14:09

And the way you build up attachment

is via the relationship

1:14:091:14:12

that you have with them,

which comes via putting

1:14:121:14:15

in consistent, firm

but fair boundaries.

1:14:151:14:20

Consistency is massive

with our children.

1:14:201:14:23

Right, I don't like the way you're

speaking to your friends.

1:14:231:14:28

And you still aren't...

1:14:281:14:29

They stole something!

1:14:291:14:30

And you still aren't

keeping your hands to yourself.

1:14:301:14:33

And I told you that if you didn't

keep your hands to yourself...

1:14:331:14:36

I did.

1:14:361:14:37

I didn't touch him.

1:14:371:14:38

..then you would be leaving

and sitting on the time out chair.

1:14:381:14:41

Once they realise that if we say

something is going to happen

1:14:411:14:43

on every single occasion,

then they start to feel, "OK,

1:14:431:14:47

this person means what they say."

1:14:471:14:50

I need you to make your way over

to the time out chair.

1:14:501:14:53

Five, four, three, two,...

1:14:531:14:57

One minute, Jamal.

1:14:571:14:58

One.

1:14:581:15:00

OK, let's go to the time out chair.

1:15:001:15:02

SHE CRIES.

1:15:021:15:10

You're sitting here because...

1:15:111:15:13

I didn't touch him!

1:15:131:15:17

They also start to feel quite safe

within those boundaries

1:15:171:15:19

and those constraints.

1:15:191:15:26

You've got all the stickers

and you got all the way there,

1:15:271:15:30

so you may choose something

from the prize box.

1:15:301:15:32

I am so proud of your behaviour

from the last few weeks.

1:15:321:15:36

We are very fair with the children,

so they know that if they've done

1:15:361:15:39

something really well,

they will get the praise

1:15:391:15:41

and the recognition and all

of those things as well,

1:15:411:15:44

and all the attention heaped on.

1:15:441:15:46

A little nerf gun!

1:15:461:15:48

Oh, wow.

1:15:481:15:49

That would be a cool

prize, wouldn't it?

1:15:491:15:51

Archie, I'm waiting.

1:15:511:15:55

If a child is sat in front

of you and you are talking

1:15:551:15:59

to them from behind,

that doesn't work.

1:15:591:16:01

When I am speaking, he mustn't be

speaking to somebody else.

1:16:011:16:04

So you need to make sure that you've

got eye contact with the Child,

1:16:041:16:08

they don't feel threatened

in any way.

1:16:081:16:11

If you interrupt me again, Kayden,

you are going to go in the time out

1:16:111:16:13

chair to think about it.

1:16:131:16:15

I don't want that.

1:16:151:16:16

If you think about your tone

of voice and your body stance,

1:16:161:16:19

that in itself can be

a de-escalation technique.

1:16:191:16:20

But you need to make

a good choice and not

1:16:201:16:25

interrupt when I am speaking.

1:16:251:16:26

Do you understand?

1:16:261:16:27

Good boy.

1:16:271:16:29

Unless you're ready,

we can't wait for you to join us.

1:16:291:16:33

Now, I need you to open

your legs a little bit

1:16:331:16:36

and move your arms away.

1:16:361:16:37

Have you done this before?

1:16:371:16:38

I can tell.

1:16:381:16:39

You are an expert already.

1:16:391:16:41

Humour is another one which works

really well with the children,

1:16:411:16:45

because actually, they need to see

you and understand you on a human

1:16:451:16:48

level, not just this authoritative

figure within a school.

1:16:481:16:52

Let's get started.

1:16:521:16:56

Oh, careful we don't tickle him.

1:16:561:17:02

Tickle, tickle, tickle!

1:17:021:17:05

HE LAUGHS.

1:17:051:17:06

We want him as still as possible.

1:17:061:17:09

We are human beings like they are,

so they're very powerful

1:17:091:17:11

techniques as well.

1:17:111:17:12

Under his armpit.

1:17:121:17:18

Well done, Nicholas.

1:17:181:17:20

I'm going to start the time.

1:17:201:17:23

Keep your chair still,

otherwise it's unsafe.

1:17:231:17:26

That's not safe.

1:17:261:17:28

We sometimes resort

to positive handling,

1:17:281:17:35

to hold the child in a safe way,

to keep them and others

1:17:351:17:38

around them safe.

1:17:381:17:39

It is a last resort,

but we've all been trained

1:17:391:17:42

in positive handling.

1:17:421:17:43

We have regular training,

and if it is used appropriately,

1:17:431:17:45

it is extremely effective.

1:17:451:17:46

And, actually, it sends

the message across to the child

1:17:461:17:49

An

1:17:491:17:49

that we can keep you safe.

1:17:491:17:52

It's OK, yes, we know those

behaviours are a really big

1:17:521:17:55

and they look really scary,

but actually we can look after you.

1:17:551:17:58

We can keep you emotionally

and physically safe.

1:17:581:18:03

We're going to wash your

hands and we can go

1:18:031:18:06

and have our special

Christmas lunch.

1:18:061:18:07

OK?

1:18:071:18:09

Good boy, Nicholas.

1:18:091:18:10

Well done, Nicholas.

1:18:101:18:12

If behaviour is communication,

how do we get children

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to communicate using their words

rather than using their behaviour?

1:18:151:18:23

Why is it important to listen

to all of the words, do you think?

1:18:241:18:28

Archie?

1:18:281:18:29

We use our speech and language

therapist to work with all the key

1:18:291:18:36

stage one nurture group

children every week.

1:18:361:18:38

Listening is looking

at the person who is...

1:18:381:18:40

Talking.

1:18:401:18:42

Talking, and who is

talking right now?

1:18:421:18:43

So we should your eyes be?

1:18:431:18:46

I'm looking at you already.

1:18:461:18:47

Fantastic.

1:18:471:18:48

She works with them

around communication,

1:18:481:18:51

how to communicate using words,

and actually how

1:18:511:18:53

powerful words can be.

1:18:531:18:58

And we find that a lot

of our children here aren't able

1:18:581:19:00

to find the words to express

themselves when they first come

1:19:001:19:03

here, which is why the do

it by their behaviour.

1:19:031:19:06

And done.

1:19:061:19:08

Zachariah, you gave excellent

instructions to Austin,

1:19:081:19:11

because he was able to follow your

instructions and build the project.

1:19:111:19:14

A success.

1:19:141:19:20

The teachers at the unit say some

of the children show some signs

1:19:201:19:23

of having conditions

like Attention Deficit

1:19:231:19:25

Hyperactivity Disorder -

ADHD - but haven't had

1:19:251:19:27

an official diagnosis.

1:19:271:19:28

For many parents we've met,

that's precisely the problem.

1:19:281:19:31

Today, the ADHD Foundation

is revealing on this programme that

1:19:311:19:33

they're writing to the government

to call for action, because far too

1:19:331:19:38

many children are ending up

being excluded because of delays

1:19:381:19:40

in diagnosing underlying conditions.

1:19:401:19:42

Let's speak now to Doctor Tony

Lloyd, chief executive

1:19:421:19:44

of the ADHD Foundation.

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hello and thank you for your time.

1:19:491:19:51

hello and thank you for your time.

Good morning, Victoria.

Why is this

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crucial?

On average, it is taking up

to two years to have an assessment

1:19:551:20:00

and diagnosis for a child, certainly

much longer if you are an adult but

1:20:001:20:07

we are seeing schools under

increased pressure and four children

1:20:071:20:11

with ADHD, we have to remember about

two thirds of children with ADHD

1:20:111:20:15

will have an additional learning

difficulty, the experience of

1:20:151:20:18

learning in a classroom context can

be very distressing for these

1:20:181:20:22

children. The longer we had to wait

for assessment and diagnosis, the

1:20:221:20:26

greater risk that child will have a

very negative experience at school

1:20:261:20:30

and is potentially going to end up

excluded. Nine out of ten exclusions

1:20:301:20:35

in primary education are for

children with additional needs.

1:20:351:20:39

Really? OK, that is an incredible

statistic, if that is accurate. Do

1:20:391:20:45

you have any indication of how many

children who are in pupil referral

1:20:451:20:49

units may have undiagnosed

conditions. That's a very difficult

1:20:491:20:56

thing to estimate but we would

imagine a very significant number.

1:20:561:21:00

For example we know that over 90% of

young people involved in the youth

1:21:001:21:04

justice system have a learning

difficulty.

Clearly we are with a

1:21:041:21:08

vulnerable population of children

here. ADHD, autism, dyspraxia,

1:21:081:21:14

dyslexia. It is rare that these

conditions are on their own, many

1:21:141:21:19

children will have at least one

learning difficulty as well. Daschle

1:21:191:21:24

one additional learning difficulty

as well. It can be quite complex.

1:21:241:21:28

There is a real need for much

earlier assessment, intervention and

1:21:281:21:32

diagnosis, if that is appropriate.

There's quite a lot of

1:21:321:21:36

misunderstanding surrounding ADHD,

how would you describe it?

ADHD is a

1:21:361:21:41

complex condition really. It isn't

just about HT children who are

1:21:411:21:45

hyperactive and cannot concentrate

-- about fidgeting children. They

1:21:451:21:51

have a great deal of trouble

planning and organising their

1:21:511:21:55

thoughts and actions. We know that

one of the most difficult things

1:21:551:21:59

about ADHD is living with this

constant low-level anxiety that is

1:21:591:22:04

there all the time. They have very

poor sleep patterns, many of them,

1:22:041:22:09

which makes it difficult for them to

function and concentrate in school

1:22:091:22:13

the next day. Emotionally it can be

quite distressing for many children.

1:22:131:22:17

You can have it in a mild, moderate

or severe form. We know there are

1:22:171:22:22

environmental factors like the home

and the school which can

1:22:221:22:25

significantly impact on how ADHD

presents. With the right schooling,

1:22:251:22:28

we know there are examples of what

we see in PR yous, some really good

1:22:281:22:37

teaching and interventions which

focus on the child's mental health

1:22:371:22:39

well-being and education -- PRU.

Let

us know your reply you get from the

1:22:391:22:46

government when you have written to

them. Thank you.

1:22:461:22:50

Nearly four months ago,

Jeremy Corbyn announced Westminster

1:22:501:22:52

had a "warped and degrading culture"

and MPs and others in politics

1:22:521:22:55

who sexually harass women must be

held accountable for their actions.

1:22:551:22:58

Now a group of female Labour members

have released a report

1:22:581:23:00

which contains dozens of claims

of abuse and harassment

1:23:001:23:03

within the party.

1:23:031:23:08

Labour says it is committed

to continually improving how it

1:23:081:23:11

handles complaints of harassment,

but this isn't a problem

1:23:111:23:13

which affects just one party.

1:23:131:23:16

Today MPs from across the board

will debate plans for a new code

1:23:161:23:19

of behaviour for everyone

working in Parliament.

1:23:191:23:21

Our reporter Greg Dawson explains:

1:23:211:23:24

In the five months since the flurry

of allegations of harassment at

1:23:241:23:27

Westminster first surfaced, there

have been a number of investigations

1:23:271:23:30

and some resignations.

1:23:301:23:34

Now MPs from all parties

are working through

1:23:341:23:36

plans to change the culture

here that allowed abuse.

1:23:361:23:40

Today, though, we are learning

about the extent of

1:23:401:23:42

accusations within one

of those parties.

1:23:421:23:45

My boss, a Labour MP, raped me.

1:23:451:23:48

I said nothing at the time.

1:23:481:23:49

How could I?

1:23:491:23:50

I would have lost my job.

1:23:501:23:52

I was scared I would lose friends

and the support of other

1:23:521:23:56

activists and councillors

in my community.

1:23:561:23:58

The LabourToo movement,

1:23:581:23:59

a group of female Labour members

have sent a report

1:23:591:24:02

to the party's HQ.

1:24:021:24:03

It details a number

of complaints of abuse,

1:24:031:24:05

harassment and discrimination

within the party.

1:24:051:24:10

My employer, a male Labour

politician, left pornographic

1:24:101:24:13

magazines behind in the office

after working late.

1:24:131:24:18

All the female staff

and a young female on work

1:24:181:24:21

experience came across them

at different times - in a wastepaper

1:24:211:24:24

bin, in a desk or hidden

amongst office paperwork.

1:24:241:24:26

It was never raised with him.

1:24:261:24:28

This programme has been

shown a number of those

1:24:281:24:31

anonymous complaints.

1:24:311:24:35

All of them are unverified

and no date has been

1:24:351:24:37

given to when these

incidents may have occurred.

1:24:371:24:40

As an intern, I was sexually

harassed by a married male

1:24:401:24:43

MP at a Christmas party.

1:24:431:24:45

He got drunk and I

remember he was very red

1:24:451:24:47

in the face and started coming up

behind me and stroking my arm.

1:24:471:24:51

I felt really uncomfortable and not

able to report it to the Labour

1:24:511:24:54

Party.

1:24:541:24:55

Because the people I had to tell

would have known him and wanted

1:24:551:24:58

to protect him.

1:24:581:24:59

A senior party official

was very drunk at a

1:24:591:25:02

party conference.

1:25:021:25:04

I got him to his hotel and he said

he couldn't remember his

1:25:041:25:07

room number.

1:25:071:25:08

We got to the third floor

and found his room after trial

1:25:081:25:11

and error.

1:25:111:25:12

He pushed me down onto the bed

and started to kiss and

1:25:121:25:16

grope me.

1:25:161:25:17

I told him, "No," and to stop,

but he ignored it.

1:25:171:25:21

LabourToo now want

the party to create an

1:25:211:25:29

independent complaint process,

including panels made up of people

1:25:301:25:32

with no clear link to the party.

1:25:321:25:34

In response, Labour has told this

programme it is committed to

1:25:341:25:37

continually improving how

it handles complaints,

1:25:371:25:38

and this report will feed into two

ongoing reviews of the

1:25:381:25:41

party's ongoing procedures

for dealing with sexual harassment.

1:25:411:25:43

It also points to a number

of recent changes,

1:25:431:25:45

including a new hotline

for

1:25:451:25:46

members to report complaints.

1:25:461:25:49

All of this comes on

the day when MPs will

1:25:491:25:51

debate plans for a new code

of behaviour for everyone working in

1:25:511:25:54

Parliament and a new complaints

investigation system, independent of

1:25:541:25:56

political parties.

1:25:561:26:01

In the most severe cases,

MPs can be suspended

1:26:011:26:03

or be forced to face a public

vote on their future.

1:26:031:26:11

Let's talk to Labour MP

Stella Creasy - who is a supporter

1:26:121:26:15

of the Labour Too campaign,

which was set up after the MeToo

1:26:151:26:18

scandal in Hollywood.

1:26:181:26:26

And Jane Merrick -

former political editor

1:26:261:26:27

of the Independent on Sunday,

who went public about

1:26:271:26:30

being harassed by former

Defence Secretary Michael Fallon

1:26:301:26:31

actually when she worked

at the Daily Mail.

1:26:311:26:33

Mr Fallon was forced

to leave his role because of

1:26:331:26:36

the allegations made against him.

1:26:361:26:37

How do you react to these 43 women

who have spoken up about what has

1:26:371:26:41

happened to them?

First of all I

want to say thank you. To them for

1:26:411:26:45

being brave enough to come forward

and use this forum to report what

1:26:451:26:49

has happened. This isn't about witch

hunting individual people but to

1:26:491:26:54

show systematic failings we have in

safeguarding people in our party at

1:26:541:26:58

all levels. Brilliant volunteers and

campaigners who make the party what

1:26:581:27:01

it is at its best but we're letting

them down right now because we do

1:27:011:27:04

not have processes to deal with

those people who make us our worst.

1:27:041:27:11

I was heartbroken to read the

systematic list of what has been

1:27:111:27:14

happening and I was struck by the

concept of common knowledge that it

1:27:141:27:18

talks about, when some of these

women tried to report what happened,

1:27:181:27:21

people would say, we know about him,

and gave them tips on how to deal

1:27:211:27:25

with it rather than stopping it. One

of the things we are on a crusade

1:27:251:27:29

about is that we do not have to cope

with this, but we have to say.

1:27:291:27:42

with this, but we have to say.

On

some occasions, women were told not

1:27:431:27:44

to say anything because it may

damage the reputation of the party

1:27:441:27:51

all be quiet, don't even go to the

police?

That's why the women's

1:27:511:27:56

Parliamentary Labour Party have

supported the group and said they

1:27:561:27:59

need a completely independent

process. So that you take

1:27:591:28:03

friendships and career options out

of any of these conversations. It is

1:28:031:28:06

about behaviour and how it is

tackled and how you stop it. Does it

1:28:061:28:10

damage the party? It damages

everyone, it is across society. I

1:28:101:28:14

was up to school this morning

speaking to girls about how we

1:28:141:28:18

tackle sexual harassment. The sad

truth is in 2018 it is still an

1:28:181:28:22

unequal society and people think

they have the power to abuse others.

1:28:221:28:27

Why has this been going on?

Sexual

harassment and assault is about

1:28:271:28:32

power, it isn't about sex. It

happens across society, it is a

1:28:321:28:36

place where power is hard currency.

In Westminster. People can get away

1:28:361:28:43

with it because they get away with

quite a lot.

When Michael Fallon

1:28:431:28:48

resigned as Defence Secretary, he

said "What had been acceptable 10-15

1:28:481:28:52

years ago is clearly not acceptable

now". You disagreed with the

1:28:521:28:56

statement anyway but you have worked

as a political journalist for nearly

1:28:561:29:00

two decades. How do you think

attitudes have changed in that time,

1:29:001:29:03

or are they only just changing?

I

think they are only just changing

1:29:031:29:07

now. This only happened to me once

but I am aware of colleagues and

1:29:071:29:15

others who this has happened to. Of

course it is still happening now and

1:29:151:29:18

like Stella I am completely shocked

by the report today. I think there

1:29:181:29:21

will be a change, I think people are

now starting to talk about it. We

1:29:211:29:25

will not tolerate this behaviour any

more. Steps will be taken, I wonder

1:29:251:29:29

why Krakow I have reservations about

whether the steps will be foreigner

1:29:291:29:33

but we will not tolerate it any more

-- I wonder, I still have

1:29:331:29:37

reservations. I was verified by the

stories that I was being told, women

1:29:371:29:44

were contacting me by Diem on

Twitter, they were telling me about

1:29:441:29:48

sexual assault by politicians -- DM.

I had to refer them to other people,

1:29:481:30:00

and I had to refer them to Labour

because a lot of it involved Labour

1:30:001:30:05

politicians.

You want someone

independent where people can make

1:30:051:30:07

complaints and be heard. MPs are

debating the cross-party report

1:30:071:30:12

which will try and clamp down on

bullying and harassment in

1:30:121:30:15

Parliament. You say you have

reservations, why?

I do think that

1:30:151:30:21

there are some gaps there. The

independent process, it is great

1:30:211:30:26

there will be an independent system

for people working in Parliament but

1:30:261:30:29

it only applies to those who have

been harassed or assaulted,

1:30:291:30:33

Parliamentary pass holders.

So if it

happens in a pub or at a social

1:30:331:30:37

event, it would not be...?

Yes,

that's where a lot of the behaviour

1:30:371:30:42

goes on according to the report. It

is a party conference, you don't

1:30:421:30:46

need to be a pass holder to be

sexually harassed by an MP so I have

1:30:461:30:50

concerns it will fall through the

gaps.

Your reaction?

It has two fit

1:30:501:30:55

with what political parties do to

keep volunteers say. My concern is

1:30:551:31:00

ultimately, what happens when we

find someone who has behaved

1:31:001:31:04

inappropriately? House of Commons

staff will lose their jobs

1:31:041:31:07

currently, and we are not there on

the concept of recall, with the

1:31:071:31:11

opportunity for the public to say if

their MP has done something

1:31:111:31:15

inappropriate, they don't want them

to be their MP any more. I don't

1:31:151:31:20

want to send a woman to speak to

them about a constituency matter

1:31:201:31:24

knowing that this has happened.

Recall is a final piece of the

1:31:241:31:27

puzzle. We have definitely made

progress and change is possible but

1:31:271:31:30

it is not certain into would get the

whole system right and it includes

1:31:301:31:33

independence but also clear

sanctions.

Thank you to both of you.

1:31:331:31:38

Thank you for coming onto the

programme.

1:31:381:31:43

The top police officer in charge

of catching Britain's paedophiles -

1:31:431:31:46

Chief Constable Simon Bailey -

has told this programme

1:31:461:31:48

there are potentially 20,000

paedophiles in Britain.

1:31:481:31:49

I think 20,000 is probably

a conservative estimate.

1:31:491:31:52

So, what, double that?

1:31:521:31:54

I'm not sure that's trying to put

a figure on it and gain a headline

1:31:541:31:59

is actually helpful.

1:31:591:32:01

I'm just trying to, I'm actually

just trying to understand the scale

1:32:011:32:05

of it in this country.

1:32:051:32:07

The scale of it is huge.

1:32:071:32:09

There's absolutely no doubt

in my mind whatsoever,

1:32:091:32:11

I think it's one of the greatest

threats that we currently face

1:32:111:32:14

from a policing perspective.

1:32:141:32:17

And you only have to look

at the activities taking place

1:32:171:32:25

across the country every single day,

dealing with reports

1:32:271:32:29

of non-recent abuse,

dealing with reports of familial

1:32:291:32:31

abuse which is still by far

the greatest volume of abuse

1:32:311:32:33

that we take, but then looking

at how we meet the challenges

1:32:331:32:36

of the abuse that is being

perpetrated through digital

1:32:361:32:40

technology, and the increasing

volumes that we have to deal

1:32:401:32:44

with and the changing face of that.

1:32:441:32:48

We are now having to deal

with an emerging threat where live

1:32:481:32:51

streaming platforms are affording

men and on occasions women

1:32:511:32:56

the opportunity to then

seek to groom children.

1:32:561:33:04

Chief Constable Simon Bailey. At

this Tweet, listening and the

1:33:061:33:12

numbers are terrifying, how should

we open dialogue with our children

1:33:121:33:15

without scaring them? If you go to

the NSPCC website, they have got a

1:33:151:33:22

brilliant campaign, called Pants,

they give you advice and suggestions

1:33:221:33:24

and tips on how you can talk to your

children which starts with you

1:33:241:33:29

speaking to your children about the

fact that their pants are private.

1:33:291:33:33

That's the start of the

conversation. This e-mail is from

1:33:331:33:36

someone who does not wish to leave

their name, which is absolutely

1:33:361:33:39

fine. This person was watching Simon

Bailey. I am now in my 60s and I

1:33:391:33:44

finally got up the courage to report

the sexual abuse over a two-year

1:33:441:33:48

period that I suffered as a

nine-year-old at the hands of a

1:33:481:33:51

neighbour. I was so grateful that

the police officers listened to me,

1:33:511:33:56

recorded and attempted to locate

this while man. Unfortunately they

1:33:561:34:02

were unable to do so. But for me

this was stepping

1:34:021:34:11

this was stepping trying to overcome

what happened to me. I did all I

1:34:111:34:14

could to protect my own children and

I feel for parents who have to do so

1:34:141:34:21

in the much harsher environment.

1:34:211:34:24

The Beast from the East has started

to bite with temperatures tumbling

1:34:241:34:27

to as low as minus 12 degrees

in some parts overnight -

1:34:271:34:29

the lowest for this time

of year since 1991.

1:34:291:34:32

The accompanying snow and ice has

forced hundreds of schools to close

1:34:321:34:34

and there has been major travel

disruption on roads,

1:34:341:34:37

rail and flights have been grounded.

1:34:371:34:38

And forecasters say the worst is yet

to come, with warnings

1:34:381:34:41

in place until the weekend.

1:34:411:34:42

in place until the weekend.

1:34:421:34:45

Tell us the situation, Mr Connelly,

if you would.

You can probably see

1:34:451:34:52

some of the scenes behind us, the

severe weather that we're receiving

1:34:521:34:55

here just now. Were only four and a

half hours into 36 hour Amber

1:34:551:35:01

warning, so we are just at the start

of this. For those of us who've

1:35:011:35:05

ventured out this morning, really

they have got to be careful to make

1:35:051:35:09

sure that they can go home, and

avoid travel during the amber

1:35:091:35:16

warning. We really don't want to on

the road at all, putting yourself at

1:35:161:35:20

risk.

So no one go out and as they

really have to?

We're avoiding

1:35:201:35:25

avoiding travelling. If you're going

out there, expect some sort of

1:35:251:35:31

disruption. The weather we're

experiencing, there are incidents

1:35:311:35:35

and accidents happening around the

place. We have got our gritters out

1:35:351:35:42

there to try give the roads open but

you plough and it turns white behind

1:35:421:35:45

you. It's the amber weather alert

that the Met Office can put out so

1:35:451:35:51

it's very challenging.

So we're told

the West -- worse is yet to come so

1:35:511:35:57

what is your advice for motorists?

Heed the warnings, at the moment

1:35:571:36:03

Strathclyde Police Scotland are

putting out the message, avoid

1:36:031:36:07

trouble in the area of the amber

alert. If you are travelling out

1:36:071:36:12

with, it's still a high risk of

disruption, you're at risk of

1:36:121:36:18

putting yourself at risk and being

stranded. So heed the warnings. If

1:36:181:36:22

you have to go out, plan your

journey and make sure you're ready

1:36:221:36:24

for the journey. If you do get

stranded, make sure you have a

1:36:241:36:31

blanket, food and water and that you

are prepared.

1:36:311:36:38

Breaking news now, and Maplin has

now just gone bust. half thousand

1:36:401:36:45

jobs at risk. This is half an hour

after the news we brought you about

1:36:451:36:48

Toys R Us, they have too gone bust

this morning. 3200 jobs at risk but

1:36:481:36:56

the electrical retailer Maplin has

collapsed and 2500 jobs at risk.

1:36:561:37:06

Most come at 11am! . Roger Moore to

come at

1:37:061:37:11

-- more to come at 11am. There has

been an internal review in a charity

1:37:141:37:26

after a complaint from a former

employee. The chair of trustees at

1:37:261:37:30

the charity has also been

criticised. The error foundation is

1:37:301:37:35

now facing insolvency proceedings.

This exclusive report now.

1:37:351:37:42

The Mira foundation is a charity

working with women who have

1:37:421:37:46

experienced domestic violence and

abuse. We have lots of strategy and

1:37:461:37:52

enthusiasm...

She was the founder of the charity

1:37:521:37:55

set up to protect and vulnerable --

protect vulnerable women. Another

1:37:551:38:00

charity says that she has been

suspended as CEO after the trustees

1:38:001:38:05

of into allegations of financial

irregularities. She worked for the

1:38:051:38:08

Amirah Foundation. She called in the

charity trustees after spotting bank

1:38:081:38:16

statements which she said showed

unusually large sums for rental

1:38:161:38:21

payments.

A lot of these women and

children are the ones who would slip

1:38:211:38:24

through the net, if we like. So we

would be dealing with people who may

1:38:241:38:29

not have access to public funds,

they may come with all sorts of

1:38:291:38:34

complex needs. There are entitled to

a good quality support. And if we

1:38:341:38:38

have donors who are coming forward

with the aim of supporting these

1:38:381:38:42

vulnerable people, that's where the

money should be going as far as I'm

1:38:421:38:46

concerned.

The trustees of the

charity, based here in Sparkbrook,

1:38:461:38:51

have now released their initial view

on the allegations raised by the

1:38:511:38:54

complaint. They include that the

director on occasion paid herself a

1:38:541:39:03

full wage more than months in a

month, and thousands of donations

1:39:031:39:11

were never donated. Another woman,

chair of the trustees, has also been

1:39:111:39:16

criticised by the trustees. They say

money was still being paid to a

1:39:161:39:21

company registered in her name two

years after it was dissolved. The

1:39:211:39:24

trustees say neither women

cooperated with their review.

I

1:39:241:39:28

think the question that I did asks

were question around accountability.

1:39:281:39:33

At the same time, you have to

understand that there is a level of

1:39:331:39:37

trust that any organisation will

give to the CEO. What you got to

1:39:371:39:43

remember is that when this

information has come to light, I've

1:39:431:39:48

gone to the police, sought the

advice of the police, I've not tried

1:39:481:39:50

to hide it. I've got no interest in

train to hide it. I am keen to be

1:39:501:39:55

called into court to show that

everything I have.

Imran worked as a

1:39:551:40:01

graphic designer for Amirah

Foundation for more than three

1:40:011:40:04

years. He says he was fired after

raising concerns with the CEO about

1:40:041:40:08

the charity's financial dealings.

She was adamant that I had embedded

1:40:081:40:14

microphones and cameras into her

desk, I had tapped telephone, and

1:40:141:40:18

she refused to sit at her desk,

that's how paranoid she was that

1:40:181:40:24

someone was try to get information

out of her.

I have made several

1:40:241:40:27

attempts to contact both women for

comment without success. And there's

1:40:271:40:31

no answer at the offices either. In

the last few years, they received as

1:40:311:40:38

much as £100,000 in grants from a

number of organisations, including

1:40:381:40:45

the lottery fund, the Lloyds bank

foundation and the policing crime

1:40:451:40:48

commission. But by the time this

investigation began, the charities

1:40:481:40:52

accounts were overdrawn by £68. The

allegations are now with the City of

1:40:521:40:58

London Police National fraud

intelligence era.

It was never my

1:40:581:41:03

intention to become a

whistle-blower, my intention was to

1:41:031:41:06

do what I thought was right and

that's what I've done. It may not be

1:41:061:41:09

right in the eyes of some of the

people but for me, it feels right

1:41:091:41:14

and the truth is on my side, what

more can I say?

The work with

1:41:141:41:19

domestic violence victims has been

taken over by another charity. The

1:41:191:41:23

foundation itself is now insolvent.

And a meeting of creditors will take

1:41:231:41:28

place tomorrow.

1:41:281:41:32

You can see more on this story on

Midlands today this evening.

1:41:321:41:37

Most cannabis being sold illegally

in the UK is super-strength skunk -

1:41:371:41:42

according to a new analysis

of samples by the police.

1:41:421:41:47

This highly potent type of the drug

is linked to a higher risk

1:41:471:41:50

of psychotic mental health episodes.

1:41:501:41:55

We can speak now to Jason

Pegler who began smoking

1:41:551:41:57

cannabis at 14 and went on to suffer

from mental health problems.

1:41:571:42:02

He's also the author

A Can of Madness.

1:42:021:42:06

And the report's author,

Dr Marta di Forti from

1:42:061:42:08

King's College London.

1:42:081:42:14

Just tell our audience exactly what

you found, first of all.

Good

1:42:141:42:18

morning, Victoria. As you said, we

analysed 1000 samples seized by

1:42:181:42:25

British police, and we found that

94% of the sample were represented

1:42:251:42:30

by what we call skunk, which is a

kind of cannabis which we regard as

1:42:301:42:37

potent as it contains a high

percentage of THC, which is the

1:42:371:42:46

ingredient responsible for the

psychotic symptoms related to

1:42:461:42:50

cannabis. We did not find that the

potency of skunk has gone up if we

1:42:501:42:54

prepare it to the Home Office study

of 2008, and another study published

1:42:541:42:59

at the same time. So we're talking

about a skunk with an average THC of

1:42:591:43:05

14% it is potent enough.

Potent

enough to do what, potentially, link

1:43:051:43:09

to what?

Potent enough to lead to

the area of my concerned, I'm a

1:43:091:43:16

psychiatrist, so we have shown that

those who use skunk of this type of

1:43:161:43:23

potency daily have a fivefold

increase in the risk of getting a

1:43:231:43:29

psychotic disorder, not transient

symptoms, but people coming to the

1:43:291:43:33

attention of mental health services.

And we have shown that this type of

1:43:331:43:40

skunk, high potency cannabis, is

also more likely to reduce

1:43:401:43:42

dependence with all the correlates

of this issue of individual and

1:43:421:43:49

services on society.

Let me bring in

Jason, thank you for talking to us.

1:43:491:43:54

Do you think the cannabis that you

have smoked, and I know it's varied

1:43:541:43:57

in strength over the years,

contributed to your mental health

1:43:571:44:02

problems?

Yes, this is a very long

time ago, in the 1990s when I was a

1:44:021:44:07

teenager. But from the age of 14 to

17, I took various types of cannabis

1:44:071:44:15

and the skunk was definitely very

strong. I've been publishing people

1:44:151:44:23

with mental illness for 17 years and

I've definitely found cases of

1:44:231:44:28

people who we have published have

just taken cannabis and it set a

1:44:281:44:34

manic depression, schizophrenia and

it also leads to people taking other

1:44:341:44:38

types of drugs and breaking the law.

Overall, skunk is definitely

1:44:381:44:43

dangerous.

Yet some people are still

sceptical about the link between

1:44:431:44:46

skunk and mental health disorders.

Well, from my own experience, many

1:44:461:44:56

years ago, it definitely lead to a

different state of mind and

1:44:561:45:00

something that I would definitely

not want my own children

1:45:001:45:04

experiencing.

How would you describe

that different state of mind, Jason?

1:45:041:45:10

At the time, it was something that

made me definitely... More high

1:45:101:45:17

terms and it lets two, after

stopping taking it, it led to

1:45:171:45:23

paranoia which nobody wants and more

worried someone gets, the more

1:45:231:45:28

likely they are to step into a

mental breakdown as opposed to being

1:45:281:45:32

mentally well.

1:45:321:45:36

And what you think about those who

are sceptical about the links that

1:45:361:45:40

you have been pointing out today,

Doctor?

If they're enough to say

1:45:401:45:47

that not everyone who uses cannabis

will get a psychotic disorder, it is

1:45:471:45:52

about identifying those who are at

risk and experience what you are

1:45:521:45:57

describing. These are people I see

in my clinic every Thursday. There

1:45:571:46:01

has been a lot of comment about this

this morning. People who say that

1:46:011:46:06

skunk is not dangerous and it is

actually a medicine. I do hope that

1:46:061:46:10

one day we will get to a point where

it is very clear about how you can

1:46:101:46:14

exploit safely the medicinal

properties of cannabis ingredients

1:46:141:46:22

like THC, but we also need to be

aware of the consequences of

1:46:221:46:26

uncontrolled recreational use, which

is what most teenagers do. I don't

1:46:261:46:33

think teenagers use cannabis for

medicinal purposes. These are the

1:46:331:46:37

casualties I see. If you are

interested in the potential side of

1:46:371:46:41

cannabis use, without undermining

the possibility that we can actually

1:46:411:46:45

use cannabis in a benign way.

And on

social media, as you know, you have

1:46:451:46:51

been accused of making your living

out of scaring people out of using

1:46:511:46:55

skunk?

Yes, and I do make a living

out of researching the effective

1:46:551:47:03

skunk so I wouldn't necessarily say

it is a wrong comment but what I

1:47:031:47:06

don't think is fair to say is that

my intent is to scare people. One

1:47:061:47:11

analogy I give to my young patients

in the clinic is about aspirin.

1:47:111:47:16

Aspirin is the most commonly

prescribed medication supported by

1:47:161:47:22

the foundation and I am one of those

people who looks at the gastric

1:47:221:47:26

bleeding that you can get if you use

aspirin in an uncontrolled manner.

1:47:261:47:31

That doesn't mean that you cannot

use it safely. Maybe I am making my

1:47:311:47:36

life out of research and the

consequences of using cannabis in

1:47:361:47:39

general that is an especially high

potency but this is for those

1:47:391:47:48

experiencing such symptoms like

psychosis.

Thank you to both of you

1:47:481:47:52

for

1:47:521:47:52

coming in this morning.

Let me read this e-mail about

1:47:521:47:58

someone with ADHD.

I was finally diagnosed with ADHD at

1:47:581:48:02

the age of 53. The path to diagnosis

was very difficult and as most

1:48:021:48:08

people diagnosed in adulthood will

tell you, it's common to encounter

1:48:081:48:12

GPs and even psychiatrists who

misunderstand ADHD and some who

1:48:121:48:15

believe it doesn't actually exist.

It's a spectrum condition that can

1:48:151:48:19

vary in how it presents and that may

also be an obstacle to accurate

1:48:191:48:24

diagnosis. I'm taking a medication

that has transformed my life. It is

1:48:241:48:30

important children are diagnosed

early and it is vital that medical

1:48:301:48:33

staff are trained so they have a

good understanding of adult ADHD.

1:48:331:48:38

We are talking about this because

the ADHD Foundation said they are

1:48:381:48:43

writing to the government to say

that diagnosis of children needs to

1:48:431:48:47

be speeded up and is as important as

children are being excluded. Before

1:48:471:48:51

diagnosis. And it is impacting their

lives. Sarah has Ema but it took

1:48:511:48:55

them until her daughter was 15 to

get her diagnosed with ADHD and it

1:48:551:49:01

has affected the whole family as

coping with her behaviour was

1:49:011:49:04

unbearable at times and they had no

support. Thank you very much for

1:49:041:49:08

those. Thank you.

1:49:081:49:10

Earlier on the programme we told

you about the collapse of Toys R Us.

1:49:101:49:13

Now we have news about another high

street retailer Maplin.

1:49:131:49:16

Simon Gompertz is back with us.

1:49:161:49:19

Sorry! Bearer of bad news this

morning. Maplin has also said that

1:49:191:49:28

they have gone into administration,

that's the every day way of saying

1:49:281:49:34

they have gone bust. Efforts to save

it as the existing company have

1:49:341:49:38

failed. Nobody has come in to say

that they want to own it or buy it

1:49:381:49:42

as the existing company. It doesn't

mean that hope has ended. The

1:49:421:49:46

accountants will come in to run it

and they will also try and sell off

1:49:461:49:50

bits of the business to see if they

can keep those going and if they can

1:49:501:49:54

raise money for the creditors. It

doesn't necessarily mean that

1:49:541:49:58

everything closes. That's the

situation at the moment. Hopefully

1:49:581:50:03

the 2500 employees of Maplin have a

future, or some of them do but we

1:50:031:50:10

will not know until the accountants

have their knees under the table and

1:50:101:50:14

try and see what they can do with

the business. The optimistic side of

1:50:141:50:17

it is that there were some people

hovering around, looking to see

1:50:171:50:20

whether they may be interested in

buying the business. It does have

1:50:201:50:25

attractions. It is the only

electronics retailer doing it sort

1:50:251:50:28

of thing on a wide scale around the

UK so it does have that value.

1:50:281:50:33

Sometimes, they wait. The people who

are interested, in till the company

1:50:331:50:37

goes bust and then they buy the bits

that they want.

Simon, thank you.

1:50:371:50:45

The police officer in charge of

catching Britain's paedophiles,

1:50:471:50:52

Simon Bailey, has told us that there

are potentially 20,000 paedophiles

1:50:521:50:57

operating in Britain.

If you look at

increasing numbers of reports and

1:50:571:51:01

crimes we are recording, whilst I am

certain that victim confidence is

1:51:011:51:04

having a lock to do with that

increase, I cannot help but think

1:51:041:51:08

that volumes of levels of abuse are

increasing and I think so much of

1:51:081:51:13

this is being driven by the World

Wide Web, and if you look at the

1:51:131:51:17

action at law enforcement is taking

place across the country, targeting

1:51:171:51:22

those people that are viewing

indecent images of children, we are

1:51:221:51:27

arresting 430 men every month. We

are safeguarding 700 children every

1:51:271:51:31

month. That is just for those

offenders viewing indecent images,

1:51:311:51:35

it does not take into consideration

what I believe the tens of thousands

1:51:351:51:40

of men predominantly going online to

green children so they provide them

1:51:401:51:44

with a sexualised image, or they

encourage them to perform a sex act

1:51:441:51:48

or alternatively they tried to meet

them to then rape them.

1:51:481:51:53

Unfortunately, I think we have to

look at it from a societal

1:51:531:52:00

perspective and we have two now

consider that there are more

1:52:001:52:03

opportunities to abuse, and that

could be on the increase.

How many

1:52:031:52:07

potential child abusers do you think

there are in Britain? On the is

1:52:071:52:13

difficult to put a number on it and

I think it would potentially be

1:52:131:52:17

unhelpful. Sorry to interrupt,

you've said you are arresting 438

1:52:171:52:21

men every month. And that is just

for viewing indecent images?

That is

1:52:211:52:27

correct, I think we have to accept

that there are tens of thousands.

1:52:271:52:30

But the most important thing from my

perspective is that unfortunately

1:52:301:52:36

the focus has been on the police

service and what I believe has been

1:52:361:52:40

a very strong response to the thread

but ultimately, Victoria, every time

1:52:401:52:43

we make an arrest, the damage has

already been done and we have to

1:52:431:52:49

look at how we can prevent the abuse

in the first

1:52:491:52:59

in the first place

1:53:011:53:01

Let's cross to Central London

where the Meghan Markle

1:53:011:53:03

is with her fiance Prince Harry

alongside the Duke and Duchess of

1:53:031:53:06

Cambridge for their their official

engagement together.

1:53:061:53:08

the Royal family have always

dedicated a substantial part of

1:53:081:53:10

their working life to charity and

The Royal Foundation is a

1:53:101:53:12

continuation of this tradition. From

the outset the principals wanted to

1:53:121:53:15

work in a way that would enable them

to have as big an impact as possible

1:53:151:53:19

so that they could change mindsets

and make a lasting difference. Now,

1:53:191:53:23

to tell us more about this approach,

please welcome his Royal Highness

1:53:231:53:26

the Duke of Cambridge.

APPLAUSE

Tina, thank you. Good morning

1:53:261:53:37

everybody. Catherine, Harry and I

are delighted to be here this

1:53:371:53:44

morning and we are particularly

happy. It has been our first Royal

1:53:441:53:47

foundation event with Meghan.

APPLAUSE

1:53:471:53:55

Today, it's a very special day for

us. Since 2011, when we established

1:53:551:54:01

the foundation, we have regularly

brought people together under the

1:54:011:54:04

banners of coach call, United For

Wildlife, Heads Together, the

1:54:041:54:13

Endeavour Fund and full effect. What

we have never done is bring all of

1:54:131:54:18

our friends and partners and

supporters together as part of The

1:54:181:54:22

Royal Foundation family. We want to

reflect on what we have built with

1:54:221:54:26

all of you. Ten years ago, Harry and

I were still serving full-time in

1:54:261:54:30

the military. But we were starting

to look to the next stages of our

1:54:301:54:34

lives. As we discussed together, the

best way to set out on our official

1:54:341:54:40

work. We looked at the values our

family had instilled in us. Both of

1:54:401:54:46

our parents had provided for us

examples of diligence, compassion

1:54:461:54:50

and duty in order that they did. Our

grandparents, the Queen and the Duke

1:54:501:54:57

of Edinburgh made support for

Charity central to their decades of

1:54:571:55:00

service to the nation and

Commonwealth. The task force would

1:55:001:55:04

not be to reinvent the wheel, but

instead our job was to follow the

1:55:041:55:08

example of those who had come before

us. Hold on to the values that had

1:55:081:55:13

always guided our family but seek to

engage in public life in a way that

1:55:131:55:17

was updated and relevant for our

generation. We are aware that the

1:55:171:55:24

modern charity sector was different

to the one that previous generations

1:55:241:55:27

had worked alongside. The generosity

of the British people and the

1:55:271:55:31

entrepreneurial and creative passion

that is at the heart of our

1:55:311:55:35

communities has seen the number of

charities grow from a few thousand

1:55:351:55:39

in the 1950s to around 180,000

today. Social media was changing the

1:55:391:55:47

weather people engaged in issues,

making it easier to campaign than

1:55:471:55:50

ever before. And engaging young

people in new and exciting ways. The

1:55:501:55:57

diversity of our society was

creating huge opportunities to get

1:55:571:56:00

people from all walks of life

involved in tackling important

1:56:001:56:03

challenges. To provide the

meaningful leadership and support of

1:56:031:56:08

the sector our parents and

grandparents had, we would need to

1:56:081:56:12

think about our roles in a different

way. We approached the answer to

1:56:121:56:17

this question by establishing The

Royal Foundation. Our own foundation

1:56:171:56:22

which would help us explore big

issues that were close to our

1:56:221:56:25

hearts. When Katherine joined after

our wedding in 2011, we discussed

1:56:251:56:32

what made the Royal family different

to other institutions was its

1:56:321:56:36

ability to focus on the long-term.

In an age where our pressures seem

1:56:361:56:42

so urgent, our attention span is so

short. Our foundation can look

1:56:421:56:47

beyond the horizon. We got the

chance to work with experts to not

1:56:471:56:53

just raise awareness about issues

but do be much harder work of truly

1:56:531:56:56

changing mindsets. We strive to make

a real and lasting difference. And

1:56:561:57:06

we seek to make that difference in

areas that are traditionally

1:57:061:57:09

considered difficult to make an

impact in. What we have learned is

1:57:091:57:16

that you make this difference we

have to be clear and disciplined

1:57:161:57:18

about how we seek to provide

leadership. What would make our

1:57:181:57:22

foundation unique would be its

ability to make a difference by

1:57:221:57:26

bringing people together. There are

foundations are there doing amazing

1:57:261:57:34

work, but we believed that we could

help achieve big, positive,

1:57:341:57:40

long-term changes by being the

leading convening force in the

1:57:401:57:43

charitable sector. We are not trying

to do things on our own. We build

1:57:431:57:49

our foundation with an open door. We

are not just relying on our own

1:57:491:57:55

ideas. We invite the best and the

brightest to sit with us around the

1:57:551:57:58

table. We are not celebrating

individual successes, but we build

1:57:581:58:04

teams and partnerships for

collective victories, and we lead by

1:58:041:58:11

example by working across our

generation as a family. We have been

1:58:111:58:16

quiet in terms of talking about The

Royal Foundation...

STUDIO: That

1:58:161:58:20

news conference continues, the

reaction to it on the news channel.

1:58:201:58:24

Coming up, a special on the most

pressing issues of our time,

1:58:241:58:28

dementia. Join us then

1:58:281:58:30

A senior police officer tells Victoria there are potentially 20,000 paedophiles operating in the UK and discusses the current danger to children from sexual abuse. As the severe weather grips most of the country, rough sleepers tell us what it is like to be on the streets in freezing conditions. Plus a new report claims most cannabis being sold illegally in the UK is super-strength skunk - we hear from one former user.