28/02/2018 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello, it's Wednesday 28th

February, it's 9 o'clock,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

welcome to the programme.

Amber warnings for snow are in place

for large part of the country.

Drivers have been one to take care,

hundreds of schools are closed and

public transport is widely affected.

With more snow overnight

and temperatures falling as low

as minus 12, some councils have

brought in emergency measures

to offer immediate accommodation

to people sleeping on the streets.

We'll be talking to one rough

sleeper and two people

who have a roof over their heads

but can't afford heating.

A key document detailing

the proposed terms of the UK's

departure from the EU has

just been published.

It says Northern Ireland will have

to follow the rules of the EU's

single market if no one can come up

with a plan to avoid

a so-called hard border

with barriers and checks.

We are absolutely clear

there will be no hard border

in Northern Ireland.

It's really important we don't go

back to the borders of the past,

and that is why we are seeking

special arrangements

with the European Union.

And we'll talk exclusively

to the top police officer tasked

with catching Britain's paedophiles.

It comes as a charity set up to help

victims of child abuse says it saw

a huge increase in contacts

to its helpline and website

after footballer Andy Woodward

appeared on our programme talking

about the abuse he was subjected to

by paedophile coach Barry Bennell.

Welcome to the programme,

we're live until 11 this morning.

After 10, we'll talk about Attention

Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder.

The ADHD Foundation has

told our programme they're writing

to the government to demand earlier

diagnosis for children.

They say delays mean too

many children end up

being excluded from school.

Do get in touch on all the stories

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The European Union has, in the past

hour, published a draft

of its Brexit withdrawal agreement

for the first time, detailing

the terms of the UK's departure.

It is expected to say

that Northern Ireland

will have to follow the rules

of the single market,

if other solutions can't be found,

to avoid a so-called hard border

with barriers and checks.

Downing Street has

dismissed any prospect

of a return to a hard border.

Let's talk to Norman at Westminster.

Is this border issue the big issue

or are there a number that are going

to come out of this document?

This

is the big Brexit bust up. This is

the first we have had where both

sides seem to have dug in, and we

could be facing a real showdown. You

just listen to the language around

it this morning, with

it this morning, with Brexiteers

accusing the European Commission of

trying to annex in Northern Ireland,

a former EU trade commissioner

saying the UK is heading towards a

cliff edge of Northern Ireland. What

is going on? When we were in the EU

and the Customs market, there wasn't

a problem because they did not have

to be a border between Northern

Ireland and the Republic of Ireland

because we were all in the EU

together. However, when we leave,

the question is, how do you avoid a

border? The answer we get from the

EU today is that Northern Ireland

would remain in the EU's Customs

union. So it would still abide by

many of the rules and regulations of

the EU when it came to trade and

therefore there wouldn't be any need

for border. But Downing Street say

this is competing unacceptable

because it would threaten the

territorial integrity of the UK, it

would be almost moving Northern

Ireland away from the UK and closer

to the EU. Mrs May is dependent, has

government is reliant on the support

of the DUP who are adamantly opposed

to the idea of moving away from the

UK and closer to the EU. We have a

fundamental clash looming over this

issue of the Northern Ireland

border. It's very hard to see how

you can mesh the two sides together.

This could really be a key sticking

point in the Brexit process.

Thank

you, Norman. We will talk more about

this in the next hour of the

programme. Let's bring you the rest

of the news.

It's another morning of freezing

conditions after temperatures

fell to -12 in some areas overnight.

The cold weather has already

caused major disruption,

but forecasters say the worst is yet

to come, with warnings

in place until the weekend.

Here's our correspondent

Jon Donnison.

The so-called "beast from the east"

has already left much of Britain

under a blanket of snow.

This is Kent, which has

received some of the worst

of the weather so far.

On the ground it has been a much

less pretty picture for drivers,

with the police reporting scores

of accidents across the country.

Today again conditions on the roads

are expected to be treacherous.

Weather warnings for ice and snow

are in place for much of the UK.

They are expected to

remain until the weekend.

Yorkshire and the North East have

seen some of the heaviest snowfall.

With more expected today, many

schools are likely to stay closed.

When I was younger the snow

was thicker and we still

managed to get to school.

I think it is the teachers

who can't get in.

That is the problem in this area

because of the outlying villages

that the teachers come from.

For Britain's homeless,

this is in central London,

it was another tough night,

temperatures down to -10

in some parts and feeling

much colder in the wind.

The elderly too are vulnerable.

In Hull extra staff at meals

on wheels services are being brought

in to deliver hot food.

I can't get out to get

meals and things.

So it's just wonderful.

The only complaint I have

got is they never bring

you a drop of brandy!

And over the next few days

that might be needed.

Forecasters say they expect no letup

in the freezing weather

until at least the weekend.

Jon Donnison, BBC News.

Let's get the latest from our

correspondents out and about now.

Let's go to Glasgow and the North

Yorks Moors. How bad is it in

Glasgow?

It is pretty awful although

it doesn't look it was the beautiful

blue sky. We're getting a bit of

respite. Glasgow has more or less

ground to hold this morning, there's

been problem on the motorways, the M

74, the Route between Scotland and

England, there's almost been white

out conditions on that. This is the

picture across most of the country

today. Glasgow airport has suspended

its operations while they try and

clear the runway, they hope the run

will be open soon. Train services

have been affected and the advice

from the government is don't travel

unless you really have two unless

you are in an amber warning area. --

if you are in an amber warning area.

We can vouch for that, the roads are

very slippery this morning. The

winners if you want to look at it

that way are tens of thousands of

schoolchildren who have got an

unexpected day off as all councils

in southern and central counters,

most councils, sorry, have closed

their schools. Check the BBC website

if you need information. The weather

is expected to take a turn for the

worse. The amber warning is at its

highest level which our forecasters

say they have never seen before with

snow and it could be on the cusp of

becoming an red warning. My

colleague is in North Yorkshire.

Yes, good morning. Mrs Thornton le

Dale on the edge of the North York

Moors. -- this is Thornton le Dale.

They have had six centimetres of

snow, you can see how deep that

freshly fallen snow is. The main

route through the village has been

gritted and ploughed but as quickly

as they plough, they get more snow

coming down. The bus is heading to

Kirkbymoorside but the bust

timetables are disrupted quite

considerably at the moment due to

the bad conditions. The wind chill

in the village is about -12 at the

moment, so it cuts in half. Hundreds

of schools across Yorkshire is shut,

the local village school here is

closed today, conditions much worse

than yesterday if you're heading

out. Do take care, allow plenty of

journey time. If you have a

vulnerable neighbour, the idea is to

maybe check on them to make sure

they are K. -- OK.

It is not just the UK experiencing

freezing conditions, the so-called

beast from the East has brought

heavy snow across Europe. Record

temperatures and snow for paralysed

part of Croatia causing havoc on the

roads and causing residents to

evacuate several but villages. We

can see the depth of the snowfall in

Bosnia. In Bulgaria, villagers were

left without electricity and schools

were closed. Some of the ice used

conditions were reported in Italy

with Rome seeing snow for the first

time in six years.

Public satisfaction with GP services

has fallen to the lowest

levels ever recorded,

according to a new survey.

The findings from the British

Social Attitudes survey

show people in England,

Scotland and Wales having concerns

around a lack of funding

and staff shortages.

Here's our health

correspondent Dominic Hughes.

Each working day more than a million

of us will access the NHS

through our local GP.

In previous surveys of public

attitudes to the health service

they have been the most highly

rated, but the most recent

poll shows a significant

fall in satisfaction,

mirroring the overall

picture of the NHS.

The annual survey shows overall

satisfaction at 57% is down by 6%,

the lowest since 2011.

GP services, normally top

of the poll, fell by 7% to 65%,

the lowest since the survey

began in 1983.

Staff shortages and a lack

of funding were two

of the main reasons people say

for being dissatisfied.

We know people are increasingly

dissatisfied with their access

to getting GP appointments

and so on, so there is

something to be done.

It is not just about money

to fix the problems,

but these are the things the public

notice and care about and it is

something the government should also

notice and care about.

Overall satisfaction levels

with the NHS are still higher

than in the 1990s and the Department

of Health and social care points out

the majority of patients

are satisfied with the NHS.

But GPs say underinvestment

and a shortage of doctors is now

having an impact on their patients.

President Trump's son-in-law

and senior adviser, Jared Kushner,

has had his security clearance

at the White House downgraded.

Having previously had a leading role

in the administration,

Mr Kushner now won't be able

to view sensitive documents.

There's speculation his previous

business dealings may be the reason

for his change of status.

A BBC charity says it has sacked six

people for sexual harassment

or for watching pornography

on work computers.

BBC Media Action said the incidents

happened overseas in the past ten

years and those sacked

were all foreign nationals.

It comes as international charities

face closer scrutiny

following claims of sexual

misconduct by Oxfam staff in Haiti.

Two big high street names

are on the brink of collapse

with both Toys R Us and Maplin

trying to find buyers.

The struggling retailers,

two of the UK's best known chains,

are understood to have put

administrators on stand-by after

failing to secure a rescue deal.

Toys R Us employs around 3,000

workers, whilst Maplin has

2,500 members of staff.

The vast majority of cannabis seized

by police has been found to be

super-strength skunk,

which is linked to a higher risk

of psychotic mental health episodes.

Researchers at King's College London

say the increasing dominance of such

high strength strains of the drug

poses a significant risk

to the mental health of users.

In 2005 only half of cannabis

confiscations related to skunk,

but that rose to 94% by 2016.

Spice Girl Mel B has revealed

that the band have been invited

to the wedding of Prince Harry

and Meghan Markle.

Appearing on a US talk show,

she declined to comment

on whether the group would be

performing at the royal

wedding in May.

The news comes after reports

that the five members of the group

reunited recently for the first

time since 2012.

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

More at 9:30.

In a few moments, we will get an

exclusive interview with the police

officer in charge of catching the

paedophiles of the UK. Ben Stokes

really making his presence felt in

the England cricket site?

the England cricket site? He's had a

lot of bad headlines recently.

But...

Another great display

from Ben Stokes as he settles back

into the England side.

England have beaten New Zealand this

morning by six wickets to level

the one-day series at 1-1.

The all-rounder was playing

in his second match on his return

after five months out,

he was named man-of-the-match

after hitting an unbeaten 63, taking

two wickets and being involved

in two run outs.

England dismissed the hosts

for 223 in Tauranga.

England captain Eoin Morgan

had a knock of 62.

The third match of the

best-of-five series starts

on Saturday in Wellington.

Undoubtably, I think this is the

greatest thing to have happened so

far today...

Check out this, one of the sixes

which sent England on their way

to victory was brilliantly caught

by a fan in the crowd.

If you can catch the ball

with one hand in the stands

you win 25,000 pounds,

that's exactly what this guy did

and look a the celebration.

He knocks his friend out of the way

and tries to go for it, that man!

I

love it, I could watch that all day!

But there was a football player who

didn't let the blizzard interrupt

his game?

Yes, a couple of

players...

Almost a whole round of non-league

games were wiped out in England last

night because of the snow,

with six games in the Scottish

leagues also called off -

but in League 1, Peterbrough Walsall

went ahead despite these

scenes at London Road -

this is a video of the Peterborough

players Steven Taylor

and Junior Morias grabbing some

brooms to help clear the lines

as heavy snow fell

during their 2-1 win.

I think they were doing that because

they were 2-1 up, I don't think if

they were 2-1 down they would be

working as hard! Peterborough got

the 2-1 win. It looks more like a

cross country course in the Winter

Olympics rather than a football

pitch!

Know what chance do Rochdale

have of knocking their opponents out

of the FA Cup tonight, Tottenham?

Slim!

Tottenham are fourth

in the Premier League

unbeaten in 15 games,

Rochdale are bottom of League 1.

63 places between them.

But what a expericnce this will be

for Rochdale who have

nothing to lose tonight,

they will dare to dream.

Rochdale manager Keith Hill

says his team must act

"like a Premier League side"

in tonight's replay at Wembley.

The League One side scored late

on to draw 2-2 with Tottenham

earlier this month.

Steve Davies with the dramatic

injury-time equaliser

The winner of tonight's

tie will play Swansea

who are into the quarter finals

of the FA Cup for the

first time since 1964.

2-0 they beat Sheffield Wednesday

in their fifth round replay last

night, that's Nathan Dyer

with the second as Swansea boss

Caros Carvallyhal got one over

the team who sacked him in December.

-- Carlos Carvalhal.

I'll be back with

the headlines at 9.30

Full

First this morning, an interview

with the police officer in charge

of catching Britain's paedophiles.

His name is Simon Bailey,

he's the Chief

Constable of Norfolk police

and the National Police

Chiefs Council lead

on combating child abuse.

He also heads up Operation Hydrant,

the nationwide inquiry

into historical child sexual abuse.

It comes as a national child abuse

helpline reveals there were more

than 10,000 call attempts and 50%

rise in visits to their website

in the five weeks after

footballer Andy Woodward

appeared on our programme talking

about the abuse he suffered

at the hands of paedophile coach

Barry Bennell.

NAPAC, the National Association

for People Abused in Childhood saw

a surge in the number of people

getting in touch in the five weeks

between 16 November

and 20 December 2016.

We will speak to Chief Constable

Bailey in a moment.

First here's a reminder of how

the football abuse scandal unfolded.

The impact it's had on my life

is just catastrophic and you live

with that all your life.

And I can't put into words

what that has done to me.

HE SIGHS.

Both my parents have

died and that hurts me.

Yeah.

Not telling them.

Does it?

Yeah.

I don't know that it's a good thing

that I did or I didn't tell them

because they would blame themselves.

This has not been easy for me to do

but I felt that I needed to do this

so that other people will come out.

I've lived a normal life,

I've lived a normal life,

as normal as I can.

But when you've got something

like that inside of you, it's

something like that is going to stay

with you until the day you die.

What we've got to do is to make sure

that those victims are supported.

That this doesn't turn

into an exercise where football

tries to protect its own reputation.

When you signed that

confidentiality agreement,

what were you thinking

when they wanted you to keep quiet

about it, about the abuse

that you'd suffered?

With the document, I was basically

pushed into a corner.

Let's talk to Chief Constable Simon

Bailey, the lead officer

for child protection at

the National Police Chiefs Councils

and the head of Operation Hydrant,

the nationwide inquiry

into historical child sexual abuse.

If you have a question for him, send

me an e-mail or message me on

Twitter. Chief Constable Bailey,

thank you for speaking to us. Last

week we saw former

thank you for speaking to us. Last

week we saw former football coach

Gary Benno sentenced to 31 years in

jail for abusing boys in the 1970s,

80s and 90s. How do you react to the

outcome of that trial?

I have

obviously watched the trial with

interest -- Barry Bennell. I have

been engaged with a number of

parties involved and I was of course

very pleased to see the outcome and

I think justice will be seen to have

been served.

As you are the lead on

combating child sexual abuse, is it

right that the police spend time and

resources investigating allegations

from 30 or years ago?

I think you have seen in your

programmes and in the football

scandal in particular, the damage

has been done and the fact is now

Bennell is serving a long custodial

sentence for the crimes he has

committed. It will take time and we

should investigate these allegations

because age is no barrier to

continuing to offend. I think it is

important that the police service is

able to demonstrate a commitment to

taking allegations of this nature

seriously. The victims have the

confidence to come forward and

report abuse. So that we can ensure

that their abusers are no longer in

a position of trust and are no

longer able to carry on abusing.

If

a paedophile did it 30 years ago,

they could still be doing it now,

that is one of the justifications

for investigating historical

allegations?

Absolutely, we still

received reports where adult males,

in particular, are still abusing

into their 70s or 80s.

Is there a

danger to children in Britain from

sexual abuse, is that danger growing

now?

Unfortunately I think it is, if

you look at the increasing number of

reports and crimes we are recording,

I am certain that victim confidence

is having a lot to do with that

increase but I cannot help but think

that volumes of levels of abuse are

increasing and I think so much of

this is being driven by the World

Wide Web. If you look at the action

that law enforcement is taking place

across the country, targeting those

people who are viewing it indecent

images of children, we are arresting

430 men every month. We are

safeguarding 700 children every

month, that is just from offenders

viewing images. That is not from the

tens of thousands of men

predominantly going online to groom

children, so that they provide them

with a sexualise image, or groom

them to then rape them.

Unfortunately I think we have to

look at it from a societal

perspective and we now have two

consider that unfortunately there

are no more opportunities to abuse

and abuse could well be on the

increase.

How many potential child

abusers do you think there are in

Britain?

I think that is very

difficult to put in and on.

Potentially it could be unhelpful.

Sorry to interrupt, you have just

said that you are arresting 438 men

every month, and that is just for

viewing indecent images.

That is

correct, I think we have to accept

that there are tens of thousands

that the most important thing from

my perspective is that

unfortunately, the focus has been

upon the police service and what I

believe has been a very strong

response to the threat. But

ultimately, Victoria, every time we

make an arrest, the damage has

already been done and we have to

start looking at how we prevent the

abuse in the first place. For me,

that is around ensuring that parents

are confident around speaking to

their children about the risks of

technology and also the threat that

exists within that familial circle

and for children to have a

resilience and confidence to report

any concerns. The importance of

reinforcing the message within

schools and the importance of PSA

chief education and awareness and,

from a technical perspective, we

have to start putting pressure on

companies that provide networks,

infrastructure and platforms that

allow people to perpetrate abuse --

PSHE education.

I will ask about

technology in a moment but can you

confirm potentially there are tens

of thousands of paedophiles in

Britain. Is that 20,000, 30,000?

I

think 20,000 is probably a

conservative estimate.

So what,

double that?

I'm not sure that

trying to put a figure on it and

gain a headline is helpful.

I'm

actually just trying to understand

the scale of it in this country.

The

scale of it is huge. There is

absolutely no doubt in my mind

whatsoever. I think it is one of the

greatest threats we currently face

from a policing perspective. You

only have to look at the activity

taking place across the country

every single day, dealing with

reports of non-recent abuse, dealing

with reports of familial abuse,

which is still by far the greatest

volume of abuse that we take that

then looking at how we meet the

challenges of abuse that is being

perpetrated through digital

technology. And the increasing

volumes that we had to deal with

than the chain -- changing volume of

that. Now we are dealing with an

emerging threat where live streaming

platforms are affording men and on

occasions women the opportunity to

seek to groom children.

And what

should the social media companies,

Internet companies, do about that?

You've made it clear in this

interview and I have seen your

tweets where you have said other

stakeholders, as you politely put

it, need to match the kind of

commitment your officers are making?

And I genuinely believe the

technology exists through artificial

intelligence and algorithms that are

already there, that we can make

uploading of indecent images really

difficult and we can take indecent

images down. But the greatest threat

that I am now seeing is the chat

rooms, live streaming applications

that are now being used by

paedophiles to exploit children, and

those companies that are providing

those networks, that infrastructure,

I believe they should be policing

it. I think it is unrealistic, it is

impossible, for the police service

to be able to do that as well.

Recognising all of the challenges

that we currently face.

The work

that you face is overwhelming

because you are at saturation point?

We are having to deal with

unprecedented volumes of reports and

if we just look back at October

2016, where did the football scandal

come from? Andrew Woodward had the

courage to come forward. Look at the

volumes of reports that have come

forward as a result. Look at the

demand that was placed upon a number

of police forces. Are they going to

be further incidents or reports like

this? I cannot rule it out. If you

look at the number of reports that

Operation Hydrant receives on a

monthly basis, those numbers are

still in the region of 120, 125

reports every month. We are getting

a really good understanding of where

non-recent abuse has been

perpetrated. It is predominantly in

schools and within care settings.

But that is just one of the volumes

of reports that we are having to

deal with. As we said, familial

abuse takes place within the home

environment or the immediate home

environment. That still accounts for

the greatest amount of abuse. But

there is no doubt in my mind that

technology is now affording people

that have a sexual interest in

children an opportunity to abuse in

a way that they were never, ever

able to previously.

I would like to

ask you about self-styled Paedophile

Hunters, normally parents, who set

out to catch people who may be

grooming children and arranging to

meet what they think our children or

teenagers but turn out to be the

so-called Paedophile Hunters, are

they doing the right thing?

I have

said on numerous occasions that I do

not think they are doing the right

thing. They are taking unnecessary

risks, they are putting children's

lives at risk. They are putting the

lives of innocent people at risk.

This is not something that should be

tackled by people who are not

professional or trained, and have

undertaken the correct risk

assessments. This should be left to

the police and members of the public

have concerns that an individual may

be seeking to groom a child, or

sexually abuse a child, they should

report their concerns to us so that

we can act upon those concerns.

I want to ask you finally how you go

about investigating crimes from so

long ago, if you can give an

insight, there are no forensics, you

cannot do house-to-house enquiries,

so how do you go about making those

investigations and building a case?

The most important thing is we

thoroughly investigate and research

and listened with great care and

consideration to the victims that

are coming forward, and through that

process, we gain their confidence.

And they're able to demonstrate that

confidence to disclose more and more

and that will point us in the

direction of other victims. You then

develop a rich picture where people

are able to recall certain times and

places where certain people were

there. And Andrew Woodward was the

catalyst, and your programme shone a

light on this. Some anime or victims

then had the -- so many more victims

then had the confidence to come

forward. So much of our work on

non-recent investigations is around

the skills and ability of incredibly

talented and dedicated police

officers spending time getting the

confidence of victims and survivors

who are then able to create that

rich picture where they demonstrate

a system of abuse, a particular

style of abuse. And they are able to

present to the courts really

compelling cases.

Thank you very

much for coming on the programme, we

appreciate your time, thank you.

Chief comes the Simon Bailey, the

police officer, -- Constable Simon

Bailey, the lead officer for the

operation hydrant. You heard him

warn about the dangers of life live

streaming, and the become please

could be doing more in terms of

technology and algorithms to

interrupt and put a block on child

sexual abuse images that are

constantly uploaded to the Internet.

You also heard him saying he thinks

potentially there are 20,000

paedophiles in Britain and that in a

way, the police are overwhelmed by

all the reports but nevertheless

encouragement to anybody who has

experienced child sexual abuse to

report it to the police.

Still to come: the snow may have

disrupted your travel this

morrning but what about people

forced to live in these

freezing conditions?

We'll be speaking to a man who's

been homeless for 18 years

about how he's been coping.

Time for a summary of

the latest BBC News.

The European Union's chief

negotiator Michel Barnier will

publish the first draft of the EU

exit treaty this morning detailing

the terms of the UK's departure. The

draft document is expected to say

the Northern Ireland would have two

follow EU single market rules to

avoid a so-called hard border with

checks and barriers and less

alternatives are found. Downing

Street has dismissed any prospect of

a return to hard border.

The cold weather has intensified

overnight bringing more disruption

to parts of the UK. Drivers have

been warned to take extra care as

emergency services deal with

stranded motorists and crashes.

Hundreds of schools are closed and

public transport is widely affected.

The public's satisfaction

with the NHS has seen a sharp

decline over the last year,

with our opinion of GP

services at its lowest level

since records began.

The latest British Social Attitudes

survey of 3000 people

across England, Wales and Scotland,

found that almost a third

of respondents were

unhappy with the NHS

with prolonged waiting

times being cited as one

of the main concerns.

President Trump's son-in-law

and senior adviser, Jared Kushner,

has had his security clearance

at the White House downgraded.

Having previously had a leading role

in the administration,

Mr Kushner now won't be able

to view sensitive documents.

There's speculation his previous

business dealings may be the reason

for his change of status.

Two big high street names

are on the brink of collapse

with both Toys R Us and Maplin

trying to find buyers.

The struggling retailers,

two of the UK's best known chains,

are understood to have put

administrators on stand-by after

failing to secure a rescue deal.

Toys R Us employs around 3,000

workers, whilst Maplin has

2,500 members of staff.

That's the latest BBC News. Ben

Stokes was named man of the match

after hitting 63 for injured either

their six wicket win over New

Zealand which levelled the series at

1-1. The all-rounder was playing in

his second match after his

suspension, England dismissed the

hosts.

hosts. It was 1964 when Swansea city

last to reach the quarterfinals of

the FA Cup. That was the year before

the manager was born but they are

through to victory over his old club

Sheffield Wednesday. They will face

either Tottenham or watch down next,

their replay is at Wembley tonight,

62 places between the sides. The gap

in the top of the Scottish

permission is down to six point

after Rangers beat St Johnstone 4-1

but leaders Celtic camp away this

evening if they take on -- can pull

away this evening if they beat their

rivals.

Laura Kenny and Jason Kenny are back

in action tonight, they have brought

their six-month-old baby with them

to the challenge in the Netherlands.

Coverage will be across the BBC.

This morning sees a major step

forward in the negotiations between

Britain and the European Union over

Brexit.

The EU is publishing its first draft

agreement for how things

like trade and the movement

of people will work.

The EU's chief negotiator,

Michel Barnier, will be outlining

the proposals later.

Amongst the proposals will be

the preferred option on the future

of the Irish border,

and who will ultimately rule

on trade disputes involving

British and EU companies.

To tell us more about what we can

expect, let's talk to our

political guru Norman Smith.

He will explain it all in plain

English which is one of the many

reasons why I love you!

Flattery

will get you everywhere!

I do mean

it. Let's talk about the border,

there is an invisible border between

Northern Ireland and the Republic at

the moment. And the EU wants it to

remain like that.

Yes, the problem

is basically this. At the moment

there is no border because Northern

Island and the EU are altogether,

there doesn't have to be a border,

goods can flow across without any

problem. Once we leave the EU, we're

in a different ball game and the

conundrum most sites have been

wrestling with is how you avoid

border checks when the UK and the EU

are going to be separate. How do you

avoid having to have customs checks

along the border between Northern

Ireland and the Republic of Ireland?

The proposal which the EU have come

up with, or it seems they're going

to come up with, is saying that

basically, Northern Ireland can

pretty much carry on as is within

sort of arrangement where they stick

by existing EU rules when it comes

to Customs and trade, they remain

inside the EU customs union. The

problem with that from the British

government's point of view is they

believe that would be carving out a

separate deal, almost a separate

Brexit steel, for Northern Ireland.

And that, they fear, would threaten

the territorial integrity of the UK.

Northern Ireland would be treated

differently from the rest of the UK

and it would threaten the single

market of the United Kingdom because

Northern Ireland would have

different trading arrangements and

be bound by the rules of the EU. So

the British government are going to

say no, that is simply not

acceptable. The danger then from the

EU's point of view is if you're not

going to have that kind of

arrangement, then you're going to

have to have a much harder, fixed

border, which is exactly what

everyone has been trying to avoid

largely because of the peace

process. Because central to

diffusing tensions, hostilities was

doing away with any sort of border.

The real fears is that if you

reintroduce a border, never mind the

inconvenience and costs to business,

the real fear is you rewind the

clock and go back to all the

tensions and hostilities and

difficulties and sectarian splits

that so damaged Northern Ireland and

Ireland in the past.

Thank you very

much, Norman.

Let's talk to Katie Daughen

from the British Irish Chamber

of Commerce, which represents

businesses that work

in both countries.

Colm Gribben, who has lived

and worked on the Irish

border for his whole life.

And the pro-Brexit

Conservative MP Nigel Evans.

Nigel Evans, this is going to be a

problem, what's your solution?

It

shouldn't be a problem.

It's going

to be.

Why? You can make something

as difficult as he wants to be but

we really are starting from the

wrong point. What we ought to be

looking at is the deal between the

United Kingdom and the European

Union first.

This is what Michel

Barnier should be focusing on. But

that is not what is happening so

let's deal with this.

I know it is

not but it should be.

But it isn't,

so let's deal...

If we get the sort

of frictionless deal we get between

the EU and the UK, this sort of

issue that we're talking about in

the north and south of Ireland this

appears, so why did we focus on

that?

Because people are worried.

The European Union are introducing

this is a real issue and a real

problem when it shouldn't be. We are

starting from the wrong bondage

find. Secondly, what I would say to

Michel Barnier -- wrong vantage

point. What I would say to Michel

Barnier is that he knows the British

government doesn't want a hard

border between the hard border, the

Irish Taoiseach doesn't want one

either so it's not going to happen.

And it should not happen unless of

course the European Union foists

that onto the Irish and I would be

really interested to see what the

Taoiseach would have to say about

that. Because we want to see the

free flow of goods and services as

is happening now.

Even though Boris

Johnson in that leaked memo

suggested that the government should

focusing on the Irish border

becoming significantly harder?

He's

looking at all the options.

It's

counter the government policy.

Of

course it is but he's looking at all

the options. If the European Union

insists there should be a hard

border, it's right we should look at

the options. We don't want it, the

Irish don't want it and I hope we

should resist Michel Barnier.

Nobody

wants it so what's the issue?

It's

important to understand that what is

being discussed here is illegal

under fitting to commitments that

were made in December by the UK

Government and the EU. We would

agree that a trade agreement is the

preferential way of achieving

borderless status on the of Ireland.

But measures need to protect the

Good Friday Agreement and all that

entails including the all Ireland

economy. We would still like to see

the issue addressed through option a

and B, as they are common in

referred to. But the UK Government

did make commitments saying that

should those options fail, measures

would be put in place to keep

Northern Ireland aligned with

Ireland on regulatory issues and in

line with the single market and

Customs union. All the draft text

today is doing is giving the legal

underpinning to it. A separate

commitment was made by the UK

Government that should that option

come into play, there would be no

Borders put up to Northern Ireland

and the rest of the UK which is

getting a bit less discussion. We

would agree that we would want to

see a trade agreement come into

place that would suggest this issues

and we published eight paper which

suggests that last year.

You have

spent your life on the border,

expense of the rest of the UK what

it

expense of the rest of the UK what

mean to you is their end up being

the border.

To be honest with you,

I'm a 46 years of age, I have grown

up in the Times Troubles and since

the ceasefire as well.

the ceasefire as well. Society has

transformed, it was unemployment

rates of 30% and more in the 70s and

now it is 3%. I think that is

because of the free trade across the

border. From a purely business point

of view, we don't want to see if

changing. It's working quite well

the way it is and from our

perspective, to have any sort of

physical border there which would

delay the movement of workers and

goats, would just be a nightmare to

be honest. -- the movement of

workers and goods.

That is the trade

side, what about the peace side?

People say if there was a border,

checkpoints, that is a target for

dissidents in the future.

Of course,

I'm speaking from a business point

of view.

I'm not a politician. No,

I'm asking you as a resident of

Northern Ireland. You've lived

through the Troubles and you've

lived when there has not been a

border and relative peace, so,

that's...

Of course, it's a reality.

Nobody wants to see that. I have

four kids ranging from 19 to ten,

they know nothing but the situation

at the minute and that's how I

wanted to remain. It does get

difficult and hard border is

introduced and there's a of any sort

of threat, no one wants to see that.

Nigel Evans, what is the difference

between Labour and the Conservative

position on Brexit? Labour have

called for a close and cooperative

relationship with the EU on exit,

the Conservative have called for a

deeper special religion shipped

after Brexit.

It's all changed with

the Corbyn speech, saying that they

would leave the customs union and

join customs union which basically

hankers after the EU negotiating

trade unions -- handcuffs us to the

EU negotiating trade. We are not

going to be paying billions of

pounds of British taxpayers money

into the European Union to access a

market where we have a £70 billion

deficit. It's really simple. People

ask for clarity, verities.

-- there

it is.

it is. Watched you say about the

civil service saying it giving up a

three course meal for a packet of

crisps?

It a great sound bite from

the EU loving former mandarin, we

know where his loyalties lie.

It

doesn't mean it's not true.

It isn't

true. You talk about the potential

of trade deals around the world

including the US, you sort Liam Fox

talk about that. The IMF has said

that the fastest-growing parts of

the world are outside the European

Union. 90% of the growth over the

next 15 years is going to happen in

those countries. These are the

countries we want to deal with.

Quick final thought, you were meant

to be going to Burma today with

colleagues but you were not granted

a Visa, why?

This is the

international aid select committee,

we were not told until last night

that the Visas had not come through.

Clearly it is political, it has got

to be. We brought a reporter

critical of the regime in the

country, about the way they are

dealing with the Rohingya and that

can be the only reason why they have

denied us the Visas. The British and

gave £100 million worth of aid to

the country but not to the

government, I hasten to add. Clearly

it is important that we, as a select

committee, see how the money is

being spent and I think it is

appalling that these fees ares have

not been coming forward.

Nigel

Evans, thank you. Thank you to both

of our guests, thank you for coming

on the programme.

Some breaking news now. Toys "R" Us

has just gone into administration,

putting 3200 jobs at risk. Toys "R"

Us has gone into administration,

3200 jobs are at risk. We will bring

you the reaction to that, of course,

and any news on Maplin during the

course of the morning. Also coming

up... After ten o'clock.

After our

exclusive report earlier this week

about the Pupil Referral Unit

which primary children go

to when they are faced

with exclusion from school,

we'll be speaking to the head

of the ADHD Foundation,

about what can be done to help

improve the behaviour

of our primary school children.

And specifically he is writing to

the government to ask for much

quicker and earlier diagnosis of

children with ADHD.

Heavy snowfall has hit

many parts of the UK,

with the south-east and north-east

of England seeing up to 13 cm of

snow and temperatures of minus 12.

For people living on the street

these conditions can be treacherous.

In Edinburgh, two rough sleepers

have died this winter.

There is such a thing called

the 'Severe Weather Emergency

Protocol' which is activated

in these conditions which means

councils offer immediate

shelter to homeless people.

But is it working?

Let's speak to Bryan Gilchrist,

he's 50 and has been

homeless for 18 years.

He lives on the streets of London.

And Sally Huxtable and Chris Groves

who say they beg because they can't

afford to heat their

rough sleepers flat.

We will talk to them now. Hello,

thank you very much for coming onto

the programme. Good morning, Brian,

how was last night?

It was cold. It

started snowing really heavily at

about two o'clock, I woke up at 6am

with an inch of snow over the top of

me. It was pretty cold. I heard that

it was -10, minus 12. It was a

chilly night.

Why have you not

benefited from this severe weather

emergency protocol where authorities

would get you a roof over your head.

Because it isn't that simple, it is

first come first serve. The one that

I know that does it in Westminster,

Connections, they come around

maybe... Ten or 11 o'clock at night.

They will say, do you want to go

they don't say that they've got a

place for you, they say that they

will see if they can get a place,

they don't guarantee anywhere. It

isn't as simple as it sounds.

But

even someone saying that they will

see what they can do, isn't it

better than sleeping outside of the

London Palladium?

Yes, but a lot of

people don't want to go into the

hostels. Because of violence, drugs,

drink, whatever. People don't want

to go there.

What would you want to

do?

Me, I don't like hostels. I

don't like them. I've had pretty bad

experiences in them before. Me, I

would be happy with a place on

wearing. -- on my own. It's a

waiting game.

How do you keep warm

in these conditions?

At the moment,

I cannot carry everything I need to

keep warm. I carry the basics. I

have a couple of sleeping bags,

blankets, two or three jackets,

jumpers, had, scarves, and I've got

my bed to bundle them all on. I go

to sleep and hope to wake up in the

morning.

You hope you wake up in the

morning?

Yes.

And as people go by,

what do they do?

They keep going by.

Now and again people ask if you are

OK, they get you a coffee or

something to eat. But there are not

as many now as they used to be. I

think it is because there are a lot

more beggars on the streets now than

they used to be.

Not as many people

stop because there are more beggars?

That's right.

That's right.

Sally and Chris, thank

you for coming on the programme. You

are no longer living on the streets.

How long were you?

I was on the

streets for 11 years. That was

before I met Sally.

I had been on

the streets for three years.

Now you

have this so-called rough sleepers

flat, what does that mean?

Basically

we were put into a hostel first. The

outreach team came round before

anything would happen, they had to

see you and they had to see you

three times.

They had to see you

sleeping rough three times.

And

often they don't come back to see if

you are in the same place. Or where

you are. It could be once a month

they come, or if you are not there

the night that they come, that's it.

It doesn't count.

If they do see you

three times, what is supposed to

kick in?

What is supposed to

happen...

Your name is put down and

you wait for a room.

you wait for a room.

If you've never

been to London before. I didn't want

Sally being away from me in a

hostel, she has had bad experiences

in the past. With a load of men that

she doesn't know.

You have a flat

now. But you say that you cannot

afford to heat it.

afford to heat it.

The Electric

is...

It's a rough sleepers flat.

The landlord keeps one flat with

reduced rent, which housing benefit

will pay. The only problem is that

we have to pay a top up on top of

that. The windows are the old wooden

ones. It is actually warmer outside

then it is in the flat at the

moment.

Really? Bryan, have you been

around? Yes. So you will sweep round

every morning to check that those

who have slept on the streets is all

right.

I do ask him to come and

stay, but it is warmer outside.

Trying to get the money to put the

electric on to heat the flat, it is

old storage heaters and it is

just...

Really expensive? It eats

your money.

Basically it's when any

of us get up in the morning. As soon

as we are up, we go around and make

sure everyone is OK.

sure everyone is OK. And we try to

get money.

And when you say that,

what you mean?

The same as when we

were on the street really.

Begging.

Food. To heat the flat, even for a

couple of days, you know?

Is there

any possibility that you might be

able to get paid work one day?

I'd

love to. We would love to.

But over

the last few years, I've had chronic

back pain, which in this weather

isn't very nice, you know?

Which is

why you receive PIP, don't you?

Yes,

I receive that once a month. But

they knocked me off ESA, which I

cannot understand. If I am receiving

PIP, surely I should be able to

receive employment support

allowance?

They are changing all of

the benefits now.

the benefits now. It's fair enough

if you have somewhere to live and

everything else is paid for, but

when you have a lifestyle like ours,

which is not the normal lifestyle,

then it is hard to get help from

other people. We are basically

looked over.

looked over. We sat on the street,

that'll be fine, they will wake up

in the morning. We don't know where

we are going to.

It is like you are

invisible. Honestly, it's like nifty

sees you. Nobody. Nobody cares,

whatever.

I have had people step on

me or fall over me, they have not

been looking.

been looking. I know people have

their own lives to lead, but I don't

understand...

Why do you think that

is, do you think people don't know

what to say or they are embarrassed?

They don't think we are a member of

society any more.

Not everybody

thinks that.

There are a lot of

bogus beggars. How do you know a

real one from the bogus one?

That

was the story in Cambridgeshire this

week where police said that the

beggars were fake, scammers

effectively.

We are not all like

that.

How do you tell the

difference?

You are from Edinburgh,

why did you come to London?

If I

were still in Edinburgh, I would be

dead.

Why do you say that?

I was a

really heavy drinker so I came here

to get away from it.

As it worked?

Yes.

And you don't drink any more?

I

haven't had a drink for 15 months.

How does it make you feel?

Good, if

I was still in Edinburgh I would be

dead now.

I want to thank you all

very much for coming onto the

programme, telling people what it is

really like. It isn't easy. It isn't

easy, that's right. Thank you. At

ten o'clock we will bring you the

latest news and sport. And before

that we will bring you the weather.

Do

tell us all about it, Carol.

tell us all about it, Carol. Thank

you. There is a lot of snow in the

forecast today. The Met Office has a

and the weather warning out again.

Across central Scotland, north-east

England and Cumbria. We could see a

further 10-15 centimetres of snow

fall. This weather warning is valid

until tomorrow evening at 6pm. In

this area, there is a lot of loans

snow. In northern England we have 21

centimetres of lying snow. -- low

lying snow. In Aberdeenshire we have

nine centimetres. There is also the

risk of ice today, if you are

travelling take extra care. Snow

showers continue to pack in. Where

we have the samba weather warning.

We had a warning in the south-east

which is about to expire. It will

dry up in the south-east as the wind

moves in. There are snow shovels

across the far south-west.

Temperature wise, regardless of what

it says, freezing temperatures

across the UK. With wind chill,

looking at -11 degrees. That is how

it feels against your skin. The snow

will be blowing and drifting because

of strong winds, that will continue

this evening and overnight. More

snow piling in with that Amber

weather warning. There will be a lot

of dry weather between, a cold night

as well. Temperature is even lower

than this in the countryside and

where we do have lying snow.

Tomorrow, as well as our existing

web were quicker weather warning

from the Met Office, we have another

across south-west England and Wales.

Storm Emma comes up from the near

continent, there is a lot of

moisture in this storm and as it

engages with the cold across our

shores, it readily turns to snow.

You can see from the eyes of bars

that it will be windy, we have

drifting snow and the potential for

blizzards. If it moves further west

and east it will change the snow

distribution, this is what we have

at the moment. It could clip London

and it is heading in the direction

of Northern Ireland. Still more snow

to come for you in these areas, and

some dry and bright conditions

between. Temperatures about

freezing, and when you add on the

significant wind-chill, it will feel

a lot colder. -11 in this central

suede. Finally, on Friday, connected

to Emma, this system produces more

snow, pushing northwards. Snow

showers in the north, dry weather

between but still very cold.

Hello, it's ten o'clock.

I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

The Beast from the East hits home.

Drivers have been warned to take

extra care, hundreds of schools

are closed and public transport

is widely affected.

With temperatures falling as low

as minus 12, some councils

are offering emergency acommodation

to people sleeping on the streets.

We've been talking to one rough

sleeper about dealing

with the freezing temperatures.

Started snowing around two o'clock

really heavily, I woke up at six

with an inch of snow on top of me,

pretty cold. I had heard it was

minus 12. It was a chilly night.

A key document detailing

the proposed terms of the UK's

departure from the EU

is being published this morning.

It says Northern Ireland will have

to follow the rules of the EU's

single market if no one can come up

with a plan to avoid

a hard border between it

and the republic of Ireland.

What I would say to Michel Barnier

is that he knows that the British

government doesn't want a hard

border, between Northern Ireland and

Ireland, the Irish Taoiseach doesn't

want that either, so that's not

going to happen. And it shouldn't

happen.

Also, Meghan Markle, Prince Harry

and the Duke and Duchess of

Cambridge will be making their first

joint public appearance and we will

bring you live coverage.

Good morning, it's 10am.

Here's Joanna Gosling

in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of todays news.

The European Union's Chief

negotiator Michel Barnier

will publish the first draft

of the EU's Brexit Treaty this

morning, detailing the terms

of the UK's departure.

The draft document is expected

to say Northern Ireland would have

to follow EU single market rules

to avoid a so-called "hard border"

with checks and barriers,

unless alternatives are found.

Downing Street has

dismissed any prospect

of a return to a hard border.

Yesterday a leaked letter from Boris

Johnson appeared to suggest there

could be customs checks in the

future, she has been speaking in the

last few minutes.

The issue of the

Northern Ireland border is being

used politically to try and keep the

UK into the customs union, and

effectively be single market, so we

can't really leave the EU, that's

what's going on. But the letter says

is that actually there are very good

solutions that you could put in

place that would obviate or prevent

any kind of hard border, but would

allow goods, people, people can't

move totally freely because it's a

common travel area, but allow goods

to leave and move freely.

The cold weather has

intensified overnight

bringing more disruption to parts

of the UK.

Drivers have been warned to take

extra care as emergency

services deal with stranded

motorists and crashes.

Hundreds of schools are closed

and public transport

is widely affected.

It's been announced that the

retailer Toys R Us has gone into

administration. It puts 3200 jobs at

risk but it's understood that stores

will continue to trade. They had

failed to secure a buyer.

The public's satisfaction

with the NHS has seen a sharp

decline over the last year,

with our opinion of GP

services at its lowest level

since records began.

The latest British Social Attitudes

survey of 3000 people

across England, Wales and Scotland,

found that almost a third

of respondents were

unhappy with the NHS

with prolonged waiting

times being cited as one

of the main concerns.

President Trump's son-in-law

and senior adviser, Jared Kushner,

has had his security clearance

at the White House downgraded.

Having previously had a leading role

in the administration,

Mr Kushner now won't be able

to view sensitive documents.

There's speculation his previous

business dealings may be the reason

for his change of status.

A BBC charity says it has sacked six

people for sexual harassment

or for watching pornography

on work computers.

BBC Media Action said the incidents

happened overseas in the past ten

years and those sacked

were all foreign nationals.

It comes as international charities

face closer scrutiny

following claims of sexual

misconduct by Oxfam staff in Haiti.

A supermarket in Amsterdam is

opening what it says is the world's

first plastic-free aisle.

An environmental campaign group

helped replace plastic packaging

with biodegradable materials

on around 700 products.

The company says it hopes to expand

the trial to all its 75 stores

by the end of the year.

That's a summary of the latest BBC

News, more at 10.30am.

Later this hour, Prince William,

the Duchess of Cambridge,

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle

will all appear for their first

royal engagement together.

We'll bring that to you live.

Also, we want your experience

of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity

Disorder after the ADHD Foundation

tells this programme it's calling

on the Government to take action

on delays in diagnosing

the condition in children.

Let me read you this text, I was

asking how long it took to be

diagnosed. It took me until I was 37

until I was diagnosed, all my life I

had suffered anxiety and for being,

as well as being Dipsy. I had to

really push but I got a result and

I'm now on a medication that allowed

me to have my life back and I'm

going back to college, finally. Alan

says, my son is 22, he has a

diagnosis of ADHD, he was failed by

the education system, he's been 27

systems -- to seven different

places. At ten, he went to a school

for pregnant teenage mums because

there was no one else for his for

him to go. I have another text here,

people think that ADHD is an excuse

for bad behaviour but that is not

true. They are very forgetful, they

have difficulty following

instructions and avoid tasks that

make them feel comfortable.

Typically they have no self-esteem

or self belief and our actions and

impulsive. We would talk more about

ADHD in the next half an hour. Get

in touch, very welcome, I'm very

grateful for any pertinent

experiences, you're the expert in

areas like this. Send us an e-mail

or message as on Twitter.

Ben Stokes looks to have put

all the controversy behind him -

he was man of the match in England's

six-wicket victory over New Zealand

in their second one-dayer.

He'd already taken a couple

of wickets when he came

to the crease and quickly set

about chasing their target of 244.

Stokes top-scored with

an unbeaten 63, as Jos Buttler

hit the winning runs.

But how about this for a catch?

A fine one-handed take

by a man in the crowd -

and you can understand his wild

celebrations because that won him

a prize of 50,000 NZ dollars -

that's about £26,000.

Free tea and coffee was dished

out to warm up the fans

at the Liberty Stadium last night

as Swansea reached

the quarterfinals of the FA Cup

for the first time in 54 years.

They beat Sheffield Wednesday 2-0,

Nathan Dyer sending this effort

straight through the keeper's

legs for their second.

Tottenham or Rochdale

await in the next round,

their replay is at Wembley tonight.

The gap at the top of

the Scottish Premiership

is down to six points,

after second-placed Rangers

beat St Johnstone 4-1,

Alfredo Morelos rounding things off.

Leaders Celtic can pull away

again tonight though -

they play Dundee.

That match has just been postponed

because of weather. Other fixtures

in the Scottish premiership have

also been postponed.

Greg Rutherford has pulled out of

the world indoor champion Joe 's

which starts on Friday. He has

already withdrawn from the man of

games in April. He missed the World

Championships last year within ankle

injury and he has also had groin

surgery. He will focus on returning

to full fitness to defend his

European title in August.

There's been a fair bit

of controversy over paralympic

classifications recently

and the British Paralympic

Association has

published new guidance.

The UK Athlete Classification Code

places athletes' rights

and responsibilities at the heart

of the process, as they bid to

prevent manipulation of the system.

I think it's about absolutely

understanding who was responsible

for what, and particularly, how can

we better educate the athletes, the

support personnel, everyone involved

in the delivery of Paralympic sport,

to make sure they understand how the

process works and more importantly

at a national level, what their

response abilities are. Then it

comes to it, there will be a better

understanding of that so that anyone

who has concerned can base that on

at genuine concern rather than

misunderstandings.

Cyclists Laura and Jason Kenny

are back competing today,

hopefully having had a good night's

sleep because they've

taken their six month old baby

Albie along with them

to the Track Cycling World

Championships in the Netherlands.

in a city apartment,

along with the grandparents who'll

be helping out with childcare.

The Kennys are two of seven Olympic

champions in the British team.

Headlines in half an hour.

Pete wanted to say this, it's

heartbreaking watching the three

people who have been on the streets.

And, says, no one should be

homeless, it's not just the home

they need but help to get benefits

and food. The richer you are, the

more they think they are ability --

invisible. I always give money, no

one should be on the streets.

Toys R Us has gone into

administration, does that mean it

has gone bust?

Yes, administration

technical language meaning that the

efforts to save it as a company has

failed. They will carry on trading

for well, they will see if they can

sell off bits of it, but they failed

the whole thing will wind down and

the stores will close. That is

crushingly disappointing for staff.

Before Christmas, a deal was done

which meant that they got some rents

down in its shops, they post some

shops and that hasn't worked. As far

as customers is not today, stores

will carry on trading, you can go in

and buy things. Anyone who has been

there recently will see that the

shares are quite there but there are

a lot of discounts, so there's a

reason to go in.

What will happen to

the 3200 staff members and why has

it gone bust?

It's a very bleak

outlook for the staff. The