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Victoria talks to a family whose children were caught up in two separate US school shootings. Plus should transgender women have access to women-only changing rooms and refuges?


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Hello, it's Monday, it's 9 o'clock,

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I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

welcome to the programme.

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Top story today, The Shape Of Water,

about a woman who falls in love with

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a sea creature has taken Best

picture at the Oscars. Gary Oldman

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picks up Best actor and Frances

McDormand Best actress.

If I may be

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so honoured to have all the female

nominees in every category stand

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with me in this room tonight. The

actors, Meryl

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with me in this room tonight. The

actors, Meryl, if you do it,

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everyone else will. The film-makers,

producers, directors, writers...

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Throughout the programme we'll hear

from some of the winners

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and tell you everything you need

to know about who won what.

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Should trans-women be able to use

female changing rooms, women only

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swimming pools, domestic violence

refuges? The issues causing rows for

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trans-women.

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I can see how passionate

you are and it seems

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that you are afraid,

almost, of trans people,

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or trans-women.

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No, I want to clarify

that before we finish.

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Because I am not afraid

of trans people.

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We'll explore the issues today.

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And - MPs have accused

Sir Bradley Wiggins and Team Sky

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of crossing an ethical line

by using drugs in a legal way

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to enhance their performance.

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We'll bring you the details.

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Welcome to the programme,

we're live until 11.

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Throughout the programme,

the latest breaking

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news and developing stories.

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Theresa May is due to give

a speech annoucin a shake up

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of planning rules in England

to tackle a housing shortage -

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She called it a broken markets not

long ago. We will bring you her

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speech live from about 10:30am.

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Gary Oldman topped

the British successes at the Oscars

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- by winning Best Actor

for his transformation

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into Winston Churchill

in Darkest Hour.

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And Frances McDormand picked up

the best actress award,

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turning her acceptance speech

into a rallying cry for more support

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for women in the industry.

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James Cook reports from Hollywood.

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After a year of darkness,

a splash of colour

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returned to Hollywood.

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The black threads of protest were

gone, although the determination

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to call "Time's Up" on abuse

and to create a more

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inclusive industry remained.

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If I may be so honoured to have

all the female nominees in every

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category stand with me

in this room tonight...

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Best Actress winner

Frances McDormand had

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a message for the moguls.

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Look around, ladies and gentlemen,

because we all have stories to tell

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and projects we need financed.

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And the winner is,

Gary Oldman, Darkest Hour.

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For his transformation

into Winston Churchill,

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the British actor saw V for victory

and he thanked his

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98-year-old mother.

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I say to my mother, "Thank

you for your love and support.

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Put the kettle on, I'm

bringing Oscar home."

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Congratulations!

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There were four more British wins,

including one for The Silent Child,

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a short film about a deaf little

girl from Wiltshire.

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I made a promise to our 6-year-old

lead actress that I'd sign this

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speech, and my hands are shaking

a little bit so I apologise.

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Last year, this famous duo

announced the wrong winner.

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No such problem this time.

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The Shape of Water.

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The greatest thing our art does

and our industry does is to erase

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the lines in the sand.

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We should continue doing that

when the world tells us

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to make them deeper.

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So inclusion was the theme,

change really is coming

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to Hollywood was the message.

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James Cook, BBC News, Los Angeles.

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A tweet from Simon, Oscars 2010, a

group of over egos that know so

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little of People's struggles while

these self service Pack each other

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on the back and talk about each

other behind their back. It's not

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newsworthy. Sorry about that. We can

bring you more on the Oscars now

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because Colin Paterson is live on

the red carpet at the Vanity fair

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party. What was the highlight, it

has been a long night for you and

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the winners.

Good morning. The

Vanity fair party is reaching its

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end down here. You can see some

people starting to come out and head

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home to what is the most a list taxi

queue in the whole of Hollywood. The

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big story of the night from a

British point of view is Gary Oldman

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winning his first Oscar at the age

of 59. This man has played Dracula,

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Sid Vicious, Lee Harvey Oswald. He

has won his Oscar for playing

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Winston Churchill. We grabbed a word

with him as he arrived with his

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kids, grandkids, and his new wife,

who he told us he proposed to the

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set of Winston Churchill, Darkest

Hour, while dressed as Winston

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Churchill. Even his new grandchild

has Winston as middle name. They

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have really taken Winston Churchill

on board. The whole family. He gave

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a lovely acceptance speech on stage,

saying he would go and visit his

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99-year-old mother, 99 later this

year, and he said he would take the

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Oscar, saying the Oscar is coming

home.

Amazing. You said it's the end

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of the party. Anyone there you want

to grab for us while you are there

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on the striped black and white

carpet, instead of the red carpet?

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Guillermo del Toro has not arrived,

the Mexican director who won best

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director for The Shape Of Water,

which also won best picture. It's a

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fantasy film about a mute cleaner

played by English actress Sally

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Hawkins. She falls in love with a

sea creature. Yes, there is human

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and fish sex in this film, that's

what the Academy went four for best

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picture this year. He hasn't arrived

at the party yet. The composer, who

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won best score, he has arrived.

Maybe Guillermo del Toro is off

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examining the fish in Hollywood.

Always a joy, Colin Paterson. Colin

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Paterson on five live in the early

hours of the morning is always a

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highlight for me at Oscar time. Time

for the rest of the morning's news

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with Ben Brown in the BBC newsroom.

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The cyclist

Sir Bradley Wiggins and Team Sky

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have been accused of "crossing

an ethical line" in their use

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of medication, in a report by MPs.

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A report by the Digital, Culture,

Media and Sport committee

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says the prescriptions were used

to enhance performance rather

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than just for medical need.

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Bradley Wiggins and Team Sky have

strongly refuted the claims.

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And our sports correspondent

will have more on this in a moment.

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Thousands of people

in Wales and London

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and the south east have been

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without water or told

to limit their use,

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because of burst pipes.

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It follows a rapid thaw

after several days of

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sub-zero temperatures.

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It's led to the closure of a number

of schools in Kent, while in London,

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emergency supplies of bottled water

are being distributed.

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Simon Clemison sent this update.

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He spoke to some hit by shortages in

London.

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I haven't had a shower today,

unfortunately.

There is no water in

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the taps. No showers, you can't

brush your teeth.

And I worked in

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the pub downstairs and they had no

water so they shut early.

You work

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in a restaurant, what's it like to

come in and find no water?

It's

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critical. Without water you can't do

any business. There is no trade. You

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can't wash up, you can't prepare

food, you can't operate.

I just work

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down at the corner, but

unfortunately there is no water from

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last night. The sink is working now

but I don't know how they will fix

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all the problems.

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A military helicopter will deliver

emergency supplies this morning in

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Cumbria which have been cut off for

five days by heavy snow. Severe

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weather wreaked havoc across the

county and some areas will remain

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isolated for another 48 hours

because it is taking so long to

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clear the roads.

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The Chinook helicopter will drop

food, coal and logs for heating,

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and electrical heaters.

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United Nations officials in Syria

say they hope an escalation

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in fighting in the rebel-held

enclave of Eastern Ghouta

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over the weekend

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won't stop them taking

in humanitarian supplies today.

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President Assad has given

permission for the aid convoy,

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but said the government's military

offensive to retake

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the area must continue.

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Our correspondent Jeremy Bowen

is with one of those

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aid convoys and sent this report.

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These are the long-awaited trucks,

the convoy which is due to go into

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Eastern Ghouta. The first convoy

since the 14th of February. Frankly

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before that there were very few.

It's not very far from here. There

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has been steady outgoing fire from a

heavy gun not too far away. This is

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the first slight easing of the

siege. It's only temporary, though.

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And I think the people in Eastern

Ghouta who get the supplies which

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the trucks are carrying will be very

pleased to have them. The wider

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issue here is the Syrians, with

their Russian allies, are pressing

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very hard onto Eastern Ghouta, and

if they win here, and indications

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are that they will, then it will be

a major victory for President Assad

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and his regime.

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Italy appears to be heading

for a hung Parliament

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after its general election.

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There was a voting shift

towards right-leaning

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and populist parties.

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There's no overall majority

but the big winners

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were the right-wing coalition

of former Prime Minister

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Silvio Berlusconi,

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and the anti-establishment Five Star

Movement.

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Theresa May is to introduce measures

which could see construction firms

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which have been slow

to build new homes -

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refused planning

permission in future.

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The Prime Minister will tell

developers to "step

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up and do their bit".

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She'll warn that sitting on land

as its value rises is not acceptable

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at a time of chronic housing need.

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That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 9.30.

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Do get in touch with us

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throughout the morning -

use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

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and If you text, you will be charged

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We can get some sports now. The 52

page report, combating doping in

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sport. The best part of two years in

the making. It's full of claims,

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findings and recommendations from

the group of MPs. The content, we

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have been aware of some of it

because we have been across those

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committee meetings where they have

quizzed Dave Brailsford from British

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cycling and Team Sky. The crux of it

is the

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is the use of TUEs, therapeutic use

exemption certificates, in order to

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use drugs that would normally be

banned under the Wada code, but it

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is an athlete or cyclist is not

well, you get one of the Tempo Mac

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and you can use it. We were aware of

much of the content of the report,

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but what is quite new is MPs say

they have a trusted source with

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confidential information from within

British cycling who claims the use

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of TUEs pushed an ethical boundary

and that the use of certain

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steroids, which Bradley Wiggins used

TUEs, was widely used beyond the

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recommendation of using any TUEs.

That is what is so damning to the

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reputation of British cycling. They

have refuted all these accusations.

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Bradley Wiggins says, I find it so

sad that accusations can be made

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where people can be accused of

things they have never done, which

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are then regarded as fact. I

strongly refute the claim that any

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drug was used without medical need.

There has been a Team Sky response

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as well. They strongly refute the

serious claim that medication is

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being used by the team to enhance

performance. They say they are

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surprised and disappointed that the

committee has chosen to present an

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anonymous and potentially malicious

claim in this way without presenting

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any evidence or giving us an

opportunity to respond. They say

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it's unfair both to the team and to

the riders in question. Just to

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simplify things regarding this TUE,

an interview Bradley Wiggins gave to

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Andrew Marr on the BBC about 18

months ago, where he said he used

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them because he was unwell,

suffering from asthma and pollen

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allergies, and he used them to get

back to a level playing field. If an

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athlete is 75, 80%, you use a TUE,

and these normally banned drugs, to

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get back to 100%, to get back to a

level laying field, in the words of

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Sir Bradley Wiggins. What this

report is asserting and alleging is

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that the use of TUEs was used for

100% athletes to get them above and

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beyond, effectively saying that they

were performance enhancing.

And it's

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not just cycling and Bradley Wiggins

in the spotlight. Who else is

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highlighted in the report?

In

athletics, Sebastian Coe gave

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evidence about what exactly he knew

in his role as vice-chairman of the

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IAAF, of which he is now president.

He said he wasn't aware of some very

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serious allegations of Russian

doping. We although what has come to

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pass since then because these go

back to 2014, 20 13. Any e-mail he

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received from Dave Bedford. He said

he did not open an attachment that

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had some serious allegations. The

MPs have found his evidence to them

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and to Parliament was misleading.

The IAAF have responded of Lord Coe

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today to say they have written to

the committee to explain the

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complexity of some of the

anti-doping codes, so they will back

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their man. What has come out of this

is a recommendation that the General

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Medical Council pursue and

investigate a couple of doctors.

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Doctor Richard Friedman, involved in

the whole British cycling setup. He

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did not give that much evidence

because he is not well, but they

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suggest they should pursue him to

find out exactly what he knew about

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giving those drugs to British

cyclists. And another doctor who is

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now at the Football Association,

part of the England setup. He used

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to be at UK athletics, and he gave a

supplement injection to Mo Farah

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before the London Marathon in 2014.

He did not keep any record of that

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whatsoever and they are also

recommending that they look into

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that incident when Mo was given a

supplement by what is now the head

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of the Football Association's

medical setup.

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Thank you, more on that story at

about 9:45am.

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It's estimated that

about 1% of the British

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population are transgender or gender

non-confirming, yet rows

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about rights for trans people is one

of the defining issues society

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is trying to grapple with right now.

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Some women, often radical feminists

who are sometimes called terfs -

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trans exclusionary radical feminists

- believe that trans

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women aren't real women,

can pose a danger to other women

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and therefore shouldn't

be allowed into safe

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women only spaces

like changing rooms or

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domestic violence refuges.

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But trans women say

you don't need to be born

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with a vagina to be a woman.

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Often the debate is polarised,

aggressive and offensive.

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We've tried to explore the issues

in a sensitive and nuanced way.

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Rebecca Root, a transgender actor,

who stars in the BBC comedy

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Boy Meets Girl reports for us.

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You say you want a debate,

but you are called trans-phobic

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for wanting that debate.

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All we're hearing about is all

of people's imagined fears

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if we make it easier

for you and I to change

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our birth certificates.

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It's playing to this idea that

if you don't believe that

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a trans woman is a woman,

for example, and a trans

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man is a man, you're

going against the law.

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I find it incredible that a small

group of women think that they can

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tell other women who should

and shouldn't represent them.

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I'm Rebecca Root, I'm an actor

and a voice teacher.

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And I am also transgender.

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Since I transitioned in 2003,

I've seen a big change in the way

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that British society now views

and accepts the trans community.

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Mostly for the better.

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But there's an increasing number

of complex issues that

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are still needing to find answers,

so how does society

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and politicians catch up?

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How do they find the solutions

so that everybody's happy?

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41% of trans people in Britain say

they've experienced a hate crime

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in the last 12 months

because of their gender identity.

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The Government is currently

consulting on transgender rights,

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which has sparked a debate about how

best to shape social

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policy for the community,

and push for greater equality.

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If you look at the way that

institutions are built in countries,

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they're built around that dichotomy,

the binary between men and women.

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This is how we've been able

to develop women's health care,

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right, or how, when we think

about prisons, we've created women's

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prisons and men's prisons,

because of an assumption

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about the different needs

and challenges that these two

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genders face, right?

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The difficulty then with gender

identity discussions is there's

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simply no way for governments

to really understand them,

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because they don't fit within that

traditional framework of dividing

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the general population.

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The UK Government in

particular simply doesn't

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see transgender people.

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And when I say doesn't

see them, I don't mean

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that they don't know they exist -

they certainly know they exist.

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Some of the women raising concerns

about these issues say

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although they just want an open

discussion about them,

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they're being silenced.

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Pilgrim Tucker is one of them.

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You say you want a debate.

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There's no possible

debate to be had but

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you are called trans-phobic

for wanting that debate.

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What a lot of people are saying

is that there are very significant

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differences between trans women

and people who are born women,

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both biological and on the basis

of their different anatomy,

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how they're treated in society

and their experience of the world.

0:20:090:20:17

That means a lot of careful thought.

Let's slow down and talk about why

0:20:220:20:27

women might feel cautious about

having trans-women in their spaces,

0:20:270:20:34

places where they will feel

vulnerable.

I remember that when I

0:20:340:20:40

was transitioning, in an attempt to

lose weight and get myself into

0:20:400:20:44

shape I joined a gym. I know that I

felt just as vulnerable in a female

0:20:440:20:49

changing room so far as feeling the

scrutiny of other women's eyes as I

0:20:490:21:00

walked into my swimming costume. I

always use a cubicle to get changed

0:21:000:21:04

inside. And I would never use a

communal shower. I can see how

0:21:040:21:09

passionate you are, and it seems you

are afraid almost of trans people or

0:21:090:21:16

trans-women.

No, I want to clarify

that because I'm not afraid of trans

0:21:160:21:24

people. Women have very well

grounded, valid reasons to be

0:21:240:21:29

cautious of men both from personal

experience and the statistics. But I

0:21:290:21:34

am not afraid of you, did you ever

get the impression I was afraid of

0:21:340:21:39

you? I don't think you did. Luck I'm

not in a changing room. I don't

0:21:390:21:45

think there's anything I've said to

make you believe I am afraid of

0:21:450:21:50

trans people. We spoke about the

problems of male crimes towards

0:21:500:21:55

women, OK? My explanation was that

is why women are cautious of trans

0:21:550:21:59

people.

The way in which transgender

people are legally recognised as

0:21:590:22:06

something the Government is

consulting on. Today, anyone who

0:22:060:22:09

wants to legally change their gender

in the UK has to apply for gender

0:22:090:22:13

recognition certificate, many don't

because they feel the process is

0:22:130:22:17

long and meaning. To qualify, trans

people don't need to have had

0:22:170:22:21

surgery but must have lived for two

years in their preferred gender. One

0:22:210:22:26

way of doing this would be to let

people self declare without the need

0:22:260:22:31

for medical evidence.

We have set

out plans to reform the gender

0:22:310:22:38

recognition act, streamlining and de

medicalising the process for

0:22:380:22:40

changing gender. Because being

trans-is not an illness and it

0:22:400:22:46

shouldn't be treated as such.

Those

that campaign for the transgender

0:22:460:22:53

community, argue that self IDing is

the next step.

0:22:530:23:06

the next step.

The really

undignified public discourse about

0:23:070:23:09

gay marriage wasn't really about gay

marriage, it was just an excuse to

0:23:090:23:16

-- for people to vent ugly

homophobia. Anyone will be able to

0:23:160:23:20

walk into a toilet and it will be

the end of the world, and it's

0:23:200:23:24

nonsense. All we are hearing about

our people's imagined fears about

0:23:240:23:27

how it will be the end of the world

if we make it easier for you and I

0:23:270:23:32

to change our birth to -- birth

certificates and it's misplaced

0:23:320:23:40

discourse.

But self identification

is not something everyone agrees

0:23:400:23:45

with.

I am opposed to the

Government's new fascination with

0:23:450:23:50

intervening in relation to GRCs and

self identification. In a society we

0:23:500:23:59

can accept, if somebody came up to

me on the street or I was working

0:23:590:24:03

with them and they said I want you

to call me Bill instead of Billy, as

0:24:030:24:09

a generous and understanding person

I would say short and I think most

0:24:090:24:13

people get on with that and there is

not need to over legalise this issue

0:24:130:24:18

I think.

So why is there a debate?

Because nobody has, as far as I can

0:24:180:24:25

tell, nobody has called for this.

There has not been a mass transit

0:24:250:24:30

activist movement to call for these

law changes.

I think the suicide

0:24:300:24:35

statistics are fairly in our favour

if you like, that there is a great

0:24:350:24:41

deal of unhappiness and depression

surrounding not being able to access

0:24:410:24:46

health care, which having a GRC

would permit.

It's playing into this

0:24:460:24:56

idea that if you don't believe

trans-woman is a woman for example,

0:24:560:25:02

then you are not only the wrong kind

of person in society and bigoted but

0:25:020:25:07

you are also going against the law,

you are going against what the law

0:25:070:25:11

is and that should still be up for

debate.

Most people who are Charles

0:25:110:25:16

lived with that all their lives so

for them it is not an overnight

0:25:160:25:21

thing. We are trying to see the

wider point of view as to why the

0:25:210:25:26

self identification is such a big

problem. I don't see why it should

0:25:260:25:31

be.

The equality act 2010 protects

trans people from discrimination and

0:25:310:25:36

anyone who identifies themselves as

a woman, whether it's their legal

0:25:360:25:40

gender or not, can use single sex

facilities. It does however allow

0:25:400:25:47

service providers to refuse a trans

person is access to single sex

0:25:470:25:50

services if they are seen as

detrimental to others. But does the

0:25:500:25:55

legislation need updating?

You're

saying we will have a new system in

0:25:550:26:00

a prison to placate the personal

wishes of a few trans people. I am

0:26:000:26:05

sounding harsh but that's kind of

what it is. There might be some

0:26:050:26:09

questions about the need to do that.

It might not be necessary.

Where do

0:26:090:26:15

you stand on things like trans-women

having access to women's refuges for

0:26:150:26:22

example or other single sex spaces?

To be thrown into a situation with

0:26:220:26:29

somebody who potentially ostensibly

looks like a man or not all trans

0:26:290:26:34

women look like... Dress themselves

as men, but for the grey area I

0:26:340:26:40

think it is important believe that

as a gender segregated area. There

0:26:400:26:46

needs should come first.

Relatively

soon after my transition, I was

0:26:460:26:51

beaten up by three male youths.

Where would I go I was seeking

0:26:510:26:56

refuge? Where would be a safe place

for me?

It's obviously horrible for

0:26:560:27:03

you that that happened to you and I

want to be sympathetic but at the

0:27:030:27:07

same time I think this is the issue.

People's personal experience is one

0:27:070:27:17

thing, the political question of

whether or not we deem women only

0:27:170:27:22

spaces, especially in relation to

rape and violence, are important,

0:27:220:27:28

should be kept as separate as

possible because the problem is

0:27:280:27:33

anecdote and personal feeling,

though important, often trumps the

0:27:330:27:39

political question in terms of

policy, law.

If I hadn't been

0:27:390:27:47

trans-and I was an ordinary person,

and I had daughters, there's a man

0:27:470:27:56

coming into women's toilets, I might

have been like, I don't like the

0:27:560:28:00

sound of that. I do think there are

people with legitimate concerns who

0:28:000:28:04

don't know what's happening or they

are confused. I think there is a

0:28:040:28:11

very small but vocal dedicated group

of people who have a visceral

0:28:110:28:14

prejudice against trans people, who

are exploiting people's ignorance

0:28:140:28:19

and confusion. It is playing on

people's visceral prejudices.

0:28:190:28:25

Actually there was no evidence that

gay people would harm children by

0:28:250:28:31

having gay teachers, there's no

evidence that children adopted by

0:28:310:28:35

same-sex couples are any more likely

to be in danger. I think it is

0:28:350:28:42

really responsible that people are

whipping up this fear against us

0:28:420:28:46

based on zero evidence. It's not a

debate and I find it offensive it is

0:28:460:28:52

framed as a debate. Hatred against

trans people is not a debate.

The

0:28:520:28:57

issue of trans people in politics is

also making waves. A crowd Fonda has

0:28:570:29:03

been set up to stop trans-women

being selected for all women short

0:29:030:29:10

lists as candidates. Pilgrim took --

pilgrim Tucker has put her name on

0:29:100:29:18

the campaign.

0:29:180:29:26

the campaign.

Women in the Labour

Party really genuinely feel they

0:29:260:29:29

haven't been listened to and that is

because of the proper usual

0:29:290:29:35

processes, we haven't gone through

those. So I think whatever issue it

0:29:350:29:45

was, if you are suddenly expected to

expect something -- to accept

0:29:450:29:50

something with no debate, no

evidence, no rational discussion,

0:29:500:29:53

feeling like you are being called a

bigot just for asking for that

0:29:530:29:59

discussion, whatever legislation

that was, whatever social issue that

0:29:590:30:02

was, it would get people's backs up.

Doctor Heather Peto was a

0:30:020:30:13

trans-woman and selected on the

short list.

0:30:130:30:18

I find it incredible that one group

of women could tell other groups of

0:30:180:30:22

women who can and can't represent

them. If the candidates want to

0:30:220:30:27

select me they can and if they don't

want to they don't. I don't actually

0:30:270:30:36

stop people from standing. The

selection lists could be six or

0:30:360:30:40

five, and it's up to the local

selection committee how me people

0:30:400:30:44

stand. It's for members to decide.

I'm as valid a woman as any other

0:30:440:30:50

woman. It's just that I have had a

different journey getting there.

The

0:30:500:30:58

doctor showed me the constituency

she is keen to represent. Although

0:30:580:31:01

she says people are largely

supportive of her standing, not

0:31:010:31:05

everyone feels the same.

I have been

bombarded with nasty social media

0:31:050:31:10

posts and e-mails. It amounts to

abuse, I can't categorise it as

0:31:100:31:15

anything else. For standing in the

women only short list and for being

0:31:150:31:21

the Labour Party's transgender

officer. I knocked on one of these

0:31:210:31:24

doors. I was out with a group of

other Labour canvassers and this guy

0:31:240:31:29

took a dislike to me and chased me

down his pathway.

Do you think that

0:31:290:31:34

response of being chased like that

was because of your physical

0:31:340:31:38

leanings or was it more maybe

because you are trams? -- political

0:31:380:31:44

leanings.

I think it was because I

was trams. Because I was trans. I

0:31:440:31:55

think the person was just an angry

person.

It's clear from the

0:31:550:32:01

conversations I have had and also

from my own experience that although

0:32:010:32:03

the trans community has come a long

way in fighting for equality and

0:32:030:32:09

recognition, there is still a long

way to go. If modern Britain is to

0:32:090:32:13

find the answers and shape policy

around them, then understanding and

0:32:130:32:17

respect is key.

0:32:170:32:21

Much more reaction to

come after 10:00am -

0:32:210:32:23

and of course we're really

keen to hear from you.

0:32:230:32:25

Michelle on Facebook, as a survivor

of domestic violence, I am shocked

0:32:250:32:30

trans-women care more about their

rights and the fears of women who

0:32:300:32:33

have been beaten and traumatised by

men. Survivors of domestic violence

0:32:330:32:38

often have PTSD for years and

someone who pushes the unwanted

0:32:380:32:41

presents onto a survivor just to

prove a point needs to look closely

0:32:410:32:45

at their intentions. Emmett says

women's refuges should be exempt

0:32:450:32:49

from accepting trans-women. I was in

a refuge for seven months last year

0:32:490:32:52

and needed a woman only space to

feel safe. Steve says, they are

0:32:520:32:58

scared of trans-women. If a man goes

through the transition to be a woman

0:32:580:33:02

and once they achieve this life

changing journey, they should have

0:33:020:33:05

the support of society and be

allowed to live as a woman. They are

0:33:050:33:09

women and should be treated as such.

Do keep your comments coming in.

0:33:090:33:15

Coming up before 11am...

0:33:150:33:20

The mother who's had two

children involved in two

0:33:200:33:24

separate US school shootings.

0:33:240:33:30

We are live at the Vanity Fair

post-Oscars party. In there, the

0:33:300:33:34

likes of Emma Watson, Drake and Gary

Oldman. I hope they are all dancing

0:33:340:33:39

together.

0:33:390:33:41

Time for the latest news -

here's Ben Brown.

0:33:460:33:49

Gary Oldman was the big British

success at the 2018 Oscars,

0:33:490:33:52

collecting the Best Actor Award

for his transformation

0:33:520:33:55

into Winston Churchill for Darkest

Hour.

0:33:550:34:00

The other big win on the night was

Frances McDormand, who picked up the

0:34:000:34:04

best actress award and paid tribute

to the other women nominees.

0:34:040:34:08

The cyclist Sir Bradley

Wiggins and Team Sky

0:34:080:34:10

have been accused of "crossing

an ethical line" in their use

0:34:100:34:13

of medication, in a report by MPs.

0:34:130:34:16

A report by the Digital, Culture,

Media and Sport committee

0:34:160:34:19

says the prescriptions were used

to enhance performance rather

0:34:190:34:21

than just for medical need.

0:34:210:34:23

Bradley Wiggins and Team Sky have

strongly rejected the claims.

0:34:230:34:29

Thousands of people

in Wales and London

0:34:290:34:31

and the south east have been

without water or told

0:34:310:34:33

to limit their use,

because of burst pipes.

0:34:330:34:35

It follows a rapid thaw

after several days of

0:34:350:34:37

sub-zero temperatures.

0:34:370:34:40

It's led to school closures

and emergency water distribution.

0:34:400:34:44

A military helicopter will deliver

emergency supplies this

0:34:440:34:49

morning to villages in Cumbria,

0:34:490:34:51

which have been cut off

for five days by heavy snow.

0:34:510:34:53

Severe weather wreaked havoc

across the county and some areas

0:34:530:34:57

will remain isolated for another 48

hours, because it's taking

0:34:570:34:59

so long to clear roads.

0:34:590:35:02

Theresa May is to introduce

measures to refuse

0:35:020:35:07

future planning permissions

to construction

0:35:070:35:08

firms which have been

slow to build new homes.

0:35:080:35:15

The Prime Minister will say that

sitting on land as its value rises

0:35:150:35:19

is not acceptable at a time

of chronic housing need.

0:35:190:35:21

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

0:35:210:35:26

I will be back at 10am. Another

message from Emma. Women escaping

0:35:260:35:33

domestic violence need a safe space.

My son, aged 18, wasn't allowed in

0:35:330:35:40

the refuge with me and had to live

with my parents. I understood why.

0:35:400:35:44

Lots of refuges don't allow males

over 16 to live there with their

0:35:440:35:48

mothers. Refuges need to remain

gender separate.

0:35:480:35:53

Sport now with Olly.

0:35:530:35:56

The headlines this morning, the

England women came from behind twice

0:35:560:36:00

to draw with Germany at the

SheBelieves Cup. A friendly

0:36:000:36:03

tournament in the US. Ellen White

scored twice in the 2-2 draw. The

0:36:030:36:08

England lionesses play the USA next.

Manchester City are 18 points clear

0:36:080:36:12

at the top of the Premier League

after beating Chelsea 1-0. Bernardo

0:36:120:36:16

Silva got the goal. Elsewhere

Arsenal lost 2-1 to Brighton.

0:36:160:36:22

Rangers are into the Scottish cup

semifinal after beating Falkirk 4-1.

0:36:220:36:27

Jason Cummings scored a hat-trick.

Motherwell also into the last four.

0:36:270:36:31

Kyle Edmund is the new British

number one. Andy Murray had been top

0:36:310:36:35

for almost 12 years but following

hip surgery he has been out of

0:36:350:36:39

action and is now 29th in the world.

Edmund reached the Australian open

0:36:390:36:44

semifinals and is now up to 24th.

0:36:440:36:50

A fantasy film about a woman

who falls in love with a fish has

0:36:500:36:54

won the Best Picture award

at the Oscars.

0:36:540:36:56

Gary Oldman was named

Best Actor, for his portrayal

0:36:560:36:58

of Sir Winston Churchill

in Darkest Hour and Frances

0:36:580:37:01

McDormand, the star of Three

Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri,

0:37:010:37:03

won Best Actress.

0:37:030:37:04

Frances McDormand, Three Billboards

Outside Ebbing, Missouri.

0:37:040:37:07

If I may be so honoured to have

all the female nominees stand

0:37:070:37:15

in every category stand with me

inside this room tonight.

0:37:170:37:20

The actors, Meryl, if you do it,

everyone else will, come on.

0:37:200:37:23

The film-makers, the producers,

directors, the writers.

0:37:230:37:24

The cinematographer.

The composers, the song writers.

0:37:240:37:32

OK, look around, everybody.

0:37:320:37:35

Look around, ladies and gentlemen,

because we all have stories to tell

0:37:350:37:37

and projects we need financed.

0:37:370:37:38

Oscar is the most beloved

and respected man in Hollywood.

0:37:380:37:40

And there's a very good reason why.

0:37:400:37:42

Just look at him.

0:37:420:37:43

Keeps his hands where

you can see them.

0:37:430:37:45

Never says a rude word.

0:37:450:37:51

I did it all by myself!

0:37:510:37:52

LAUGHTER.

0:37:520:37:58

Of different voices, of our voices.

0:37:580:38:03

Joining together in a mighty chorus

that is finally saying, time's up.

0:38:030:38:07

And the Oscar goes to...

0:38:070:38:11

Jordan Peele, Get Out.

0:38:110:38:15

This means so much to me.

0:38:150:38:18

I stopped writing this

movie about 20 times

0:38:180:38:20

because I thought it was impossible.

0:38:200:38:22

I thought it wasn't going to work.

0:38:220:38:23

I thought no one would

ever make this movie.

0:38:230:38:29

But I kept coming back to it

because I knew if someone let me

0:38:290:38:33

make this movie then people

would hear it and

0:38:330:38:35

people would see it.

0:38:350:38:36

And the Oscar goes to...

0:38:360:38:41

The Shape Of Water.

0:38:410:38:43

CHEERING.

0:38:430:38:51

Oh God, hello.

0:38:580:39:01

I made a promise to our

six-year-old lead actress that

0:39:010:39:03

I'd sign this speech.

0:39:030:39:07

My hands are shaking

a little bit so I apologise.

0:39:070:39:10

Roger A Deakins, Blade Runner 2049.

0:39:100:39:18

I say to my mother, thank

you for your love and support.

0:39:180:39:25

Put the kettle on, I'm

bringing Oscar home.

0:39:250:39:33

Let's go live to the black and white

carpet of the Vanity Fair party.

0:39:400:39:45

Colin Paterson, what was the best

bit of the whole night?

I will come

0:39:450:39:48

to that. The things I do for you.

That's the most A-list party in the

0:39:480:39:55

world, and every journalist has gone

into it. I'm the only one left here,

0:39:550:39:59

and that's for you. I could be in

their! I could be dancing with Drake

0:39:590:40:04

and you have denied me!

They

wouldn't let you near him. What was

0:40:040:40:08

the best bit of the night?

The three

best bits, Gary Oldman's speech. It

0:40:080:40:16

was absolutely charming. At the end

he said he was so delighted to have

0:40:160:40:19

won this because this year his

mother turns 99. He said he would go

0:40:190:40:25

and visit her tomorrow and take his

Oscar home. I believe we can hear

0:40:250:40:29

from Gary Oldman at this party.

She

is probably in bed by now, but I

0:40:290:40:35

will be seeing her in the morning.

She has been... She brought me up

0:40:350:40:42

and has... I don't know what mum

doesn't want an Oscar for her son

0:40:420:40:50

who is an actor. But I think she has

wanted this for me for a long time.

0:40:500:40:57

Winston Churchill was famous for his

inspirational speeches. I wonder if

0:40:570:41:01

he felt any pressure to live up to

them tonight.

There is a bit of

0:41:010:41:05

pressure. There is a wheeled

chemical thing that happens when

0:41:050:41:11

your name is called. I can't really

define it, but it's unlike anything

0:41:110:41:19

else. And then you've got Meryl

Streep ten feet away staring up at

0:41:190:41:26

you, next to Denzel Washington. It's

surreal. It really is. I can't

0:41:260:41:31

believe that it says, Academy Awards

to Gary Oldman on it. I'm still a

0:41:310:41:40

bit sort of... You know...

And he's

had a real influence on your life,

0:41:400:41:46

because you now have a grandson who

has been named after Winston

0:41:460:41:49

Churchill. Is that right?

My son

Alfie worked on the film. He is a

0:41:490:41:55

camera assistant. He was here with

his mum, Leslie, tonight. I don't

0:41:550:42:01

know if they are here or not. He had

worked on the movie. When he heard

0:42:010:42:08

he was having a son. So his middle

name is Winston.

0:42:080:42:15

Amazing for Gary Oldman and his mum.

We can talk about all the winners.

0:42:150:42:23

Rhianna Dhillon, film

critic and former R1

0:42:230:42:24

presenter Emma Bullimore,

entertainment reporter Amancay Tapia

0:42:240:42:28

who's directed award winning short

films like "Rescue Me" and "Campo de

0:42:280:42:31

Batalla".

0:42:310:42:33

That's go the big three, best

picture, Best actor and actress. Did

0:42:330:42:38

the right ones win?

I think so.

There were not huge shocks. Shape

0:42:380:42:46

Water stole it from three build or

was maybe a bit of a surprise. Gary

0:42:460:42:53

Oldman and Frances McDormand were

not surprises. Frances McDormand has

0:42:530:42:56

made great speeches along the way

and this was another big one.

Gary

0:42:560:43:00

Oldman is one of those awards, it's

a legacy award. It might not be the

0:43:000:43:07

best role ever for him but he has

done so many incredible films in his

0:43:070:43:11

career. The fact this is his very

first Oscar is shocking.

What did

0:43:110:43:15

you think is a director?

I think the

Oscars are always a bit predictable

0:43:150:43:19

and this year for the first time we

had a group of films that were

0:43:190:43:27

unpredictable going for best

picture.

Is that because they were

0:43:270:43:30

so good or because it is changing?

They were a bit edgy. We had films

0:43:300:43:36

with an independent edge to them.

Films like get out and Lady Bird. In

0:43:360:43:43

the end they went for a safe film,

The Shape Of Water. It was the one

0:43:430:43:48

film out of all the films that

didn't really make a statement. It

0:43:480:43:52

was a fantastic film. It didn't have

that many Hollywood elements because

0:43:520:43:57

here we have a beauty and the beast

love story where the beauty is not

0:43:570:44:04

such a beauty and the beast is not

such a beast. But it's very human.

0:44:040:44:14

Were you surprised the Me Too

movement didn't get more of a

0:44:140:44:18

mention?

The fact is Jimmy said it

in his opening monologue, it was a

0:44:180:44:21

good chance to set everybody else

up, to say that we could talk about

0:44:210:44:26

it and we could have that dialogue

and we are not bored of it yet. I

0:44:260:44:29

was a little bit surprised that more

speeches did not include it. But

0:44:290:44:32

having said that, there were not

many women on the platform to

0:44:320:44:36

receive awards. They were giving

them.

Which is potentially wide

0:44:360:44:41

Frances McDormand appealed for all

the female nominees to stand up.

I

0:44:410:44:45

was impressed with Jimmy because he

tackled it head on. He mentioned

0:44:450:44:49

Kevin Spacey and Harvey Weinstein by

name. He made jokes but also said,

0:44:490:44:56

it's not good enough. But it's also

a celebration and a positive night.

0:44:560:44:58

Frances McDormand said it was

difficult for women to get

0:44:580:45:02

particular projects financed. He

said all the women have ideas, make

0:45:020:45:06

proper appointments, don't talk to

us at the parties tonight. Do you

0:45:060:45:09

think it's harder for women to get

projects financed?

0:45:090:45:17

I think the issue is about the

people financing the films who

0:45:170:45:20

cannot make it to the Oscars. They

are majority male and Caucasian, and

0:45:200:45:27

probably in their 60s so they relate

to masculine stories. Masculine

0:45:270:45:32

stories are seen as universal,

female stories are seen as niche.

I

0:45:320:45:38

want to ask you about Rachel Shenton

and Chris Overton, Hollyoaks actors

0:45:380:45:43

who

0:45:430:45:52

who won best live action short film

for The Silent Child, and Rachel did

0:45:520:46:00

her acceptance speech in sign

language.

0:46:000:46:06

language.

There's the disabilities

that are getting left behind, and we

0:46:070:46:13

need to be more inclusive across the

board. That was a sweet and lovely

0:46:130:46:17

way, instead of making a political

it was like this is my way of being

0:46:170:46:22

inclusive and this is how we can

step it up a little bit.

Finally, I

0:46:220:46:26

want to talk about one particular

outfit, step forward Olympic figure

0:46:260:46:39

spectre Adam Rippon and his bondage

outfit -- figure skater.

I was more

0:46:410:46:48

impressed with the west side story

star who wore the same dress that

0:46:480:46:52

she wore to the Oscars in 1962,

amazing.

I cannot even fit into a

0:46:520:47:01

dress I was last week! Incredible.

Thank you.

0:47:010:47:08

Coming up...

0:47:090:47:10

Theresa May will tell developers

to "step up and do their bit"

0:47:100:47:13

as she introduces new measures

to punish firms who build

0:47:130:47:15

houses too slowly.

0:47:150:47:16

We'll bring you the Prime Minister's

speech after half past ten.

0:47:160:47:19

Britain's most decorated

Olympian Sir Bradley Wiggins used

0:47:190:47:21

drugs to enhance his performance.

0:47:210:47:24

That's what MPs on the Culture,

Media and Sport select

0:47:240:47:26

committee have found.

0:47:260:47:33

They say though he didn't break

the rules in doing so, but he

0:47:330:47:35

crossed an ethical line.

0:47:350:47:36

And they've accused the head

of international athletics,

0:47:360:47:41

Lord Coe, of being "misleading"

and questioned the use

0:47:410:47:44

of a substance by Britain's

greatest-ever distance runner,

0:47:440:47:46

Sir Mo Farah.

0:47:460:47:47

Sir Bradley Wiggins and Team Sky say

they "strongly refute" the claims.

0:47:470:47:51

In a tweet late last night,

he said he finds it "so sad that

0:47:510:47:55

accusations can be made,

where people can be accused

0:47:550:47:57

of things they have never done

which are then regarded as facts.

0:47:570:48:00

I strongly refute the claim that any

drug was used without medical need."

0:48:000:48:06

Well, this is Bradley

Wiggins when he was asked

0:48:060:48:09

about the claims by Andrew Marr

in September 2016.

0:48:090:48:16

It was prescribed for allergies and

respiratory problems. I am a

0:48:160:48:21

lifelong sufferer of asthma and I

went to 19 doctor at the time, and

0:48:210:48:27

we in turn went to a specialist to

see if there was anything else we

0:48:270:48:31

could do to cure these problems.

This wasn't trying to find a way of

0:48:310:48:35

gaining an unfair advantage, it was

about getting back on a level

0:48:350:48:41

playing field to compete at a high

level.

0:48:410:48:46

The MPs' report calls

on the Team Sky founder

0:48:460:48:49

and Principal Sir Dave Brailsford

to take responsibility.

0:48:490:48:50

Here's our sports correspondent

Andy Swiss asking him

0:48:500:48:52

about the contents of a 'mystery

package' received by

0:48:520:48:54

Sir Bradley in 2011.

0:48:540:48:57

Have you been able to provide any

paperwork about the package?

We

0:48:570:49:05

provided all of the evidence...

Have

you been able to provide evidence to

0:49:050:49:11

prove what it was?

We have given

them everything we have got. I have

0:49:110:49:17

said everything I want to say and I

will leave it there, but I have

0:49:170:49:21

given the paperwork to the right

people. I cannot talk on behalf of

0:49:210:49:29

British cycling, they will provide

what they have got.

If the fans knew

0:49:290:49:34

you had the paperwork, that would

reassure them.

0:49:340:49:39

Let's talk now to Tony Doyle,

a former Olympic cyclist,

0:49:390:49:41

British world champion and briefly

president of British Cycling,

0:49:410:49:43

Diane Modahl who was wrongly accused

of taking testosterone

0:49:430:49:46

and banned from competing,

0:49:460:49:50

and Labour MP Ian Lucas who's one

of the MPs behind the report.

0:49:500:49:58

Essentially an anonymous allegation

is your evidence?

There are number

0:49:580:50:05

of people from within cycling who

made allegations to the committee

0:50:050:50:07

who are very concerned about what

was happening and wanted to present

0:50:070:50:15

evidence to us. There were multiple

obligations made and we relied on

0:50:150:50:19

that evidence.

So what is the

evidence apart from the allegations?

0:50:190:50:25

They'd missed by individuals about

the use of performance enhancing

0:50:250:50:29

drugs within cycling which was

presented to the committee. Some of

0:50:290:50:33

the evidence was presented

anonymously by whistle-blowers who

0:50:330:50:36

did not want to disclose their names

but other people did give their

0:50:360:50:40

names and they presented the

information. I have to say a lot of

0:50:400:50:44

this could have been cleared up if

Team Sky had acted professionally in

0:50:440:50:50

presenting medical evidence and

retaining medical evidence which

0:50:500:50:52

they should have had and which they

have never supplied. So all of these

0:50:520:50:58

issues were within the control of

Team Sky, but despite repeated

0:50:580:51:03

opportunities, they have never

presented the evidence and the cloud

0:51:030:51:06

that exists over the sport rest

squarely within Team Sky and British

0:51:060:51:12

cycling.

So Bradley Wiggins says he

finds it sad people can be accused

0:51:120:51:19

of things they have never done. We

strongly refute this, we are

0:51:190:51:25

surprised and disappointed the

committee has chosen to present an

0:51:250:51:30

anonymous and potentially malicious

claims without any evidence,

0:51:300:51:38

claims without any evidence, says

Sir Dave Brailsford.

0:51:380:51:44

Sir Dave Brailsford.

There are

multiple sources. It's an intensely

0:51:440:51:46

sad day.

How do you know they are

not malicious?

Dave Brailsford gave

0:51:460:51:53

evidence to the committee himself

and could not satisfy us. It was his

0:51:530:51:59

responsibility as the manager in

charge to have details of the

0:51:590:52:03

medical adults that were being used

by his riders within the team. At no

0:52:030:52:07

time has he been able to present

that evidence. If he had done so,

0:52:070:52:12

all of these issues could have been

dealt with.

Do you think you should

0:52:120:52:18

now consider his position?

It's been

a gross failure of management on his

0:52:180:52:22

part. Those of us who love sport and

want to have sport that is honest

0:52:220:52:27

and straightforward know that today

is a very sad day. We take no

0:52:270:52:34

pleasure in presenting this report

but we owe it to the people who

0:52:340:52:37

presented us with evidence to give

an honest assessment and if Britain

0:52:370:52:41

wants to hold up its head in the

world on doping, we need to look at

0:52:410:52:45

these cases rigorously and present

an honest opinion which is what our

0:52:450:52:50

committee has done.

Tony Doyle, do

you think Sir Dave Brailsford should

0:52:500:52:56

consider his position?

Most

definitely. There's no question that

0:52:560:52:59

ethically rules have been broken,

the line hasn't just been jumped,

0:52:590:53:06

cleared marginally, it has been

jumped with a huge margin and they

0:53:060:53:12

have taken advantage of the rules to

enhance performance. It is a sport

0:53:120:53:17

which I love, which I've had a

fantastic career, I am still

0:53:170:53:22

involved and it is a sad day our

sport is being dragged through the

0:53:220:53:26

mire for the wrong reasons.

Although

the committee acknowledged rules

0:53:260:53:31

have not been broken.

The world

governing body and Wada have got to

0:53:310:53:39

look at the rules more closely so

that the steroids can only be used

0:53:390:53:45

to treat illnesses. You can use

asthma as a masking agent to use the

0:53:450:54:00

TUE fall of the reasons.

Would you

ban TUEs?

The fact Team Sky have not

0:54:000:54:10

kept records...

I mean how do you

react to the fact there are no

0:54:100:54:14

records? Apparently Bradley Wiggins'

information was on a laptop that got

0:54:140:54:23

stolen.

That is very convenient, and

very convenient records were not

0:54:230:54:28

kept and we are told Team Sky and

British cycling are not sharing

0:54:280:54:37

staff or personnel but they are

still sharing the same building.

0:54:370:54:41

They are both working out of the

national cycling Centre so there's a

0:54:410:54:45

direct conflict of interest.

I want

to ask about Mo Farah, MPs found he

0:54:450:54:52

was given a drug before the 2014

London Marathon.

0:54:520:55:01

What you think about the doctor did

according to the MP report?

Bradley

0:55:100:55:18

Wiggins is correct about one thing,

neither him nor Mo Farah had tested

0:55:180:55:26

positive for drugs in sport and the

report go so much further than what

0:55:260:55:31

we are hearing about today. It goes

to the Court of the governance of

0:55:310:55:36

the IAAF, the way the organisation

is directed and controlled. We know

0:55:360:55:41

the record-keeping has been very

poor. We know that the ethics and

0:55:410:55:45

the moral credibility of the

organisation has been in question

0:55:450:55:50

for a long time, and what the

parliamentary report does today is

0:55:500:55:54

confirm everything that most of us

are aware of and have been saying

0:55:540:55:58

for a long time, that the code of

conduct, the duty of care that the

0:55:580:56:05

IAAF have to all innocent athletes

is not up to standard and that

0:56:050:56:09

cannot continue because what it will

mean is that innocent athletes will

0:56:090:56:14

actually find themselves in a really

difficult and uncomfortable

0:56:140:56:19

situation because the governance,

the people who are there to protect

0:56:190:56:22

us are not doing their job in the

way they should be doing it.

This

0:56:220:56:30

issue of poor record-keeping, which

you say makes it harder for clean

0:56:300:56:34

athletes to clear their names

effectively, how do you react to the

0:56:340:56:38

fact the international governing

body is not making sure that really

0:56:380:56:42

basic record-keeping is done?

It is

shocking, it goes to the heart of

0:56:420:56:50

the trust, the carer and

independents that athletes need to

0:56:500:56:53

have, and need to be reassured that

every time they go on a bike or step

0:56:530:56:59

on the start line that they are

protected. It talks about the

0:56:590:57:04

behaviour so the individuals who are

sitting around the table and

0:57:040:57:09

governing the sport, is there enough

scrutiny, is there enough challenge

0:57:090:57:13

coming from those people who have

not the passion, because we are all

0:57:130:57:18

passionate about sport, we love

sport, but passion is not going to

0:57:180:57:23

fix this problem. It is going to be

a strategic, credible, well governed

0:57:230:57:28

organisation with the right skills

and the right knowledge and

0:57:280:57:32

expertise at around that table, and

clearly that is not there at the

0:57:320:57:35

moment.

Therefore are you saying

Lord Coe should consider his

0:57:350:57:42

position?

I think he wants to fix

this problem and he should

0:57:420:57:47

absolutely be looking at his team.

He should be looking around his

0:57:470:57:51

table and saying, are these the

right people in terms of the

0:57:510:57:56

behaviours, the trust, the

independent judgment, the openness,

0:57:560:58:01

the objectivity, the selflessness

that it requires to get it right at

0:58:010:58:05

governance level. What the report

confirms is that there are far too

0:58:050:58:10

many cracks within the governance

system for us to be reliably

0:58:100:58:16

reassured that Lord Coe has got that

right at the moment.

Thank you,

0:58:160:58:23

Diane Modahl. And you heard from Ian

Lucas, and Tony Doyle, thank you

0:58:230:58:29

very much. Former president of

British cycling. Team Sky and so

0:58:290:58:35

Bradley Wiggins and say they

strongly refute the claims. Now the

0:58:350:58:39

Bradley Wiggins and say they

strongly refute the claims. Now the

0:58:390:58:39

weather with Carol. It will remain

unsettled, but is extreme weather as

0:58:390:58:44

we had last week. Some fabulous

pictures to show you, the first one

0:58:440:58:49

shows quite an icy scene and the

next one is a very similar story in

0:58:490:58:53

that there is a fair bit of cloud

around in Newquay in Cornwall. Today

0:58:530:58:59

the cloud will thicken where we

currently have sunshine, and more

0:58:590:59:03

rain will spread in. Meanwhile we

have snow across the Scottish hills,

0:59:030:59:09

above about 200 metres. What's

happening is low pressure is still

0:59:090:59:13

governing our weather and it be with

us for much of the week, although

0:59:130:59:18

not much in the way of wind. In

Scotland there will still be a

0:59:180:59:24

noticeable wind-chill. If we start

in Scotland, we have the snow

0:59:240:59:31

largely in the hills, at lower

levels it's more likely to be sleet

0:59:310:59:35

or rain, then the showers in the

south-west and Wales replaced by

0:59:350:59:39

rain slowly moving northwards. After

a sunny start the cloud will build

0:59:390:59:44

and temperatures milder in the

south, but in the north still cold.

0:59:440:59:49

Don't forget in north-east Scotland

we have the wind-chill to add-on as

0:59:490:59:53

well. Overnight weather front

producing this rain migrates

0:59:530:59:59

northwards, engages with the cold

air, and indeed once again we will

0:59:591:00:03

see no. We expect it to be mainly in

the hills above 100m, and once again

1:00:031:00:09

the risk of ice and we could see

frost. As well as that, the chance

1:00:091:00:13

of seeing patchy mist and fog

forming. A cold night in prospect,

1:00:131:00:19

these are the temperatures you can

expect in towns and cities. In rural

1:00:191:00:24

areas it will be lower than this.

Tomorrow our weather front continues

1:00:241:00:29

drifting northwards, mostly at low

levels we are looking at rain. On

1:00:291:00:33

higher ground it is more likely to

be snow and as we move further south

1:00:331:00:37

quite a lot of cloud and a grey day

tomorrow with showers across

1:00:371:00:42

Northern Ireland and the south-west

of England and the Channel Islands.

1:00:421:00:46

Still only three degrees in Aberdeen

and balmy 12 degrees in London. As

1:00:461:00:52

we head into Wednesday, low pressure

still in charge of our weather,

1:00:521:00:55

centred in the North Sea, and we can

see everything topping across it

1:00:551:01:00

which means in north-west Scotland

we will see wintriness in the

1:01:001:01:05

forecast and wintry showers too

across Northern Ireland, and showers

1:01:051:01:07

in the self heavy with hail.

1:01:071:01:11

Hello it's Monday, it's 10 o'clock,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

1:01:141:01:17

Our lead story today -

The Shape of Water, about a woman

1:01:171:01:20

who falls in love with a sea

creature, takes the top

1:01:201:01:22

honours at the Oscars.

1:01:221:01:23

Gary Oldman picks up best actor

for his portrayal of

1:01:231:01:26

Winston Churchill in Darkest Hour.

1:01:261:01:27

To my mother, thank

you for your love and support.

1:01:271:01:31

Put the kettle on.

1:01:311:01:34

I'm bringing Oscar home.

1:01:341:01:39

Also on the programme -

it's one of the defining issues

1:01:391:01:41

facing society right now.

1:01:411:01:44

Should trans-women be allowed

into spaces traditionally

1:01:441:01:46

seen as women only?

1:01:461:01:49

I remember when I was transitioning,

in an attempt to lose some weight

1:01:491:01:54

and get into shape, I joined a gym.

I know I felt just as vulnerable in

1:01:541:02:02

a female changing room, so far as

feeling the scrutiny of other

1:02:021:02:07

women's eyes.

1:02:071:02:13

And Rebecca Root,

the author of our report,

1:02:131:02:15

will be with us shortly,

along with a transgender campaigner

1:02:151:02:17

and two feminists who don't believe

trans women should be allowed

1:02:171:02:20

into women's only spaces.

1:02:201:02:23

And in around half an hour's time

Theresa May will set out plans

1:02:231:02:26

to increase the pressure

on developers in England to build

1:02:261:02:29

more homes to tackle

the housing shortage.

1:02:291:02:31

We';ll bring it to you live.

1:02:311:02:33

Here's Ben Brown with the latest

news.

1:02:401:02:44

Gary Oldman was the big British

success at the 2018 Oscars

1:02:441:02:46

collecting the Best Actor Award

for his transformation

1:02:461:02:49

into Winston Churchill

for Darkest Hour.

1:02:491:02:51

The other big winner on the night

was Frances McDormand,

1:02:511:02:54

who picked up the best actress award

and paid tribute to

1:02:541:02:57

the other female nominees.

1:02:571:03:00

If I may be so honoured to have

all the female nominees in every

1:03:001:03:04

category stand with me

inside this room tonight.

1:03:041:03:06

The actors - Meryl, if you do it,

everyone else will, come on.

1:03:061:03:11

OK, look around, everybody.

1:03:111:03:13

Look around, ladies and gentlemen,

because we all have stories to tell

1:03:131:03:16

and projects we need financed.

1:03:161:03:23

The cyclist Sir Bradley Wiggins

and Team Sky have been accused

1:03:231:03:26

of "crossing an ethical line"

in their use of medication,

1:03:261:03:28

in a report by MPs.

1:03:281:03:30

The report by the Digital, Culture,

Media and Sport committee says

1:03:301:03:33

the prescriptions were used

to enhance performance rather

1:03:331:03:35

than just for medical need.

1:03:351:03:37

Bradley Wiggins and Team Sky have

strongly refuted the claims.

1:03:371:03:41

And our sports correspondent

will have more on this in a moment.

1:03:411:03:47

Ian Lucas, one of the MPs on the

committee behind the report has

1:03:481:03:51

given his reaction to this

programme.

I have to say, a lot of

1:03:511:03:56

this could all have been cleared up

if Team Sky had acted professionally

1:03:561:04:01

in presenting medical evidence and

retaining medical evidence, which

1:04:011:04:05

they ought to have had and which

they have never supplied. So all of

1:04:051:04:10

these issues were in the control of

Team Sky. But despite repeated

1:04:101:04:15

opportunities, they have never

presented that evidence and the

1:04:151:04:19

clout that exists over the sport

rests squarely with Team Sky and

1:04:191:04:24

also British cycling. -- and the

cloud that exists.

1:04:241:04:28

Thousands of people

in Wales and London

1:04:281:04:29

and the south east have been

1:04:291:04:31

without water or told

to limit their use,

1:04:311:04:33

because of burst pipes.

1:04:331:04:34

It follows a rapid thaw

after several days of

1:04:341:04:36

sub-zero temperatures.

1:04:361:04:37

It's led to the closure of a number

of schools in Kent, while in London,

1:04:371:04:41

emergency bottled water

is being distributed.

1:04:411:04:48

A military helicopter will deliver

emergency supplies this morning to

1:04:481:04:51

villages in Cumbria that have been

cut off for five days because of

1:04:511:04:54

heavy snow. Severe weather wreaking

havoc across the county and some

1:04:541:04:59

areas will remain isolated for

another 48 hours because it is

1:04:591:05:02

taking so long to clear the roads. A

Chinook helicopter will drop food,

1:05:021:05:09

Cole and logs for heating, and

electrical heaters.

1:05:091:05:11

That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10.30.

1:05:111:05:15

We will talk more about the rights

of trans-women in a moment. Jane

1:05:151:05:20

sent an e-mail, it's clear to me the

trans-women on the show are not real

1:05:201:05:25

women, they fight other women

instead of complaining to men, which

1:05:251:05:28

are the root of the problem. That's

why the patriarch it doesn't go

1:05:281:05:31

away, women are fighting each other.

This tweet, trans activists are

1:05:311:05:36

quick to judge people about the lack

of understanding and caring towards

1:05:361:05:41

trans people, while simultaneously

dismissing out of hand the thoughts

1:05:411:05:43

of those who have concerns about

shared spaces. Kate on Twitter says,

1:05:431:05:48

trans-women are women and that

should be the end of it. Survivor or

1:05:481:05:52

not, no one should be exempt from

the blatant trans-phobia of

1:05:521:05:58

insisting otherwise. Rebecca says

she supports the trans community in

1:05:581:06:02

their fight for equal rights. But I

oppose trans forming an identity by

1:06:021:06:07

hijacking and opposing women's

rights. Stop fighting those born

1:06:071:06:12

women with the trans-phobic label.

Slow down, perverse and take pride

1:06:121:06:16

in forming your own identity.

1:06:161:06:20

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We can go to the sport now. Starting

with the Department for Culture,

1:06:271:06:32

Media and Sport select committee

report that says Team Sky and

1:06:321:06:36

Bradley Wiggins used potential

performance enhancing drugs. They

1:06:361:06:46

claim drugs were used beyond the

requirement for therapeutic use

1:06:461:06:49

exemption. Boast Bradley Wiggins and

Team Sky refute all the allegations.

1:06:491:06:54

The BBC athletics commentator and

former Olympic champion Steve Cram

1:06:541:06:59

gave his response to the report. --

both Bradley Wiggins...

We have to

1:06:591:07:04

protect athletes at the highest

level but we have to be careful not

1:07:041:07:07

to step over the line in terms of

misusing TUEs. I welcome any

1:07:071:07:12

scenario where we get the guidelines

right on that. I don't think anybody

1:07:121:07:16

has done anything that break the

rules around doping, I'm pretty sure

1:07:161:07:20

about that. Some of the headlines

coming out are probably not

1:07:201:07:24

accurate. I think shining a

spotlight on it is important to make

1:07:241:07:27

sure we don't make any mistakes

going forward.

Also in that report,

1:07:271:07:32

Lord Coe, president of the IAAF, is

accused of giving misleading

1:07:321:07:36

evidence to the committee regarding

his knowledge of corruption in

1:07:361:07:42

Russian athletics. Extensive

coverage of this story on the BBC

1:07:421:07:45

sport website. A very good article

by sports editor Dan Roan. We will

1:07:451:07:50

be across further reaction to that

as the day progresses. In

1:07:501:07:54

football... Manchester city manager

Pep Guardiola has until six o'clock

1:07:541:07:58

this evening to respond to an FA

charge of displaying a political

1:07:581:08:03

symbol for wearing his Catalan

independence yellow ribbon. The FA

1:08:031:08:07

Chief Executive Martin Glenn says

English football's governing body do

1:08:071:08:10

not want political symbols in

football. Guardiola's side are 18

1:08:101:08:16

points clear at the top of the

Premier League after a 1-0 win over

1:08:161:08:20

reigning champions Chelsea. They

have already won the League Cup and

1:08:201:08:23

their next piece of silverware is on

the horizon, just four wins away

1:08:231:08:27

from winning the title, and it would

be the earliest time it has ever

1:08:271:08:33

been won. Bernardo Silva's strike

was enough to another points at the

1:08:331:08:38

Etihad. After back-to-back defeats

to City in a League Cup final and

1:08:381:08:42

the league over the past week,

Arsenal have lost again, this time

1:08:421:08:47

to Brighton, 2-1. Lewis Dunk and

Glenn Murray with the goals for

1:08:471:08:50

Brighton. Its arsenal's fourth

defeat in a row. Because increasing

1:08:501:08:55

for manager Arsene to go. Rangers

and Celtic will face each other in

1:08:551:09:01

the Scottish cup semifinals after

Rangers beat Falkirk 4-1 at Ibrox.

1:09:011:09:05

Jason Cummings scored a hat-trick.

Motherwell beat Hearts and they will

1:09:051:09:09

face Aberdeen or Kilmarnock.

England's women are still unbeaten

1:09:091:09:15

in the SheBelieves Cup in the

friendly tournament in the USA. They

1:09:151:09:23

had friendly pep talk from David

Beckham and the lionesses came from

1:09:231:09:27

behind twice. Agony for Millie

Bright when her own goal gave

1:09:271:09:30

Germany a 2-1 lead. Ellen White

scored England's first and then

1:09:301:09:35

rescued them a second time as it

finished 2-2.

It shows how much we

1:09:351:09:41

have grown, the desire, and working

hard to compete against the best

1:09:411:09:44

teams in the world and also beat

them. We are disappointed to have

1:09:441:09:47

drawn. We have come a long way.

That's all the sport for now, we

1:09:471:09:51

will be back with the headlines

later.

1:09:511:09:56

In most of our lifetimes we've seen

public attitudes shift on racism,

1:09:561:09:59

homophobia and most recently

on sexual harassment.

1:09:591:10:02

Another defining issue of our time

is what rights should be afforded

1:10:021:10:07

to transgender people

and in particular trans-women.

1:10:071:10:09

The Equality Act 2010 means

transgender people can't be

1:10:091:10:12

discriminated against -

but public policy hasn't really yet

1:10:121:10:17

caught up with how to ensure that

happens when it comes to things

1:10:171:10:20

like which toilet or changing rooms

trans-women should use,

1:10:201:10:23

which prison they should be sent

to if they commit an offence,

1:10:231:10:28

whether they should be allowed

in a woman's only refuges.

1:10:281:10:36

The debate can be

heated and polarised.

1:10:371:10:38

We've tried to take some

of the heat out of the issue

1:10:381:10:41

and have asked Rebecca Root,

a trans actor, to report for us.

1:10:411:10:44

We brought you her full film earlier

- here's a short extract before

1:10:441:10:47

we have a conversation about this:

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I'm Rebecca Root.

1:10:491:10:50

I'm an actor and a voice teacher

and I'm also transgender.

1:10:501:10:54

Since I transitioned in 2003,

I've seen a big change in the way

1:10:541:10:57

that British society now views

and accepts the trans community,

1:10:571:11:00

mostly for the better.

1:11:001:11:05

But there's an increasing number

of complex issues that

1:11:051:11:07

are still needing to find answers.

1:11:071:11:09

So how does society

and politicians catch up?

1:11:091:11:13

How do they find the solutions

so that everybody's happy?

1:11:131:11:20

If you look at the way that

institutions are built in countries,

1:11:211:11:28

they're built around that dichotomy,

the binary between men and women.

1:11:281:11:32

This is how we've been able

to develop women's health care,

1:11:321:11:35

right, or how, when we think

about prisons, we've created women's

1:11:351:11:40

prisons and men's prisons

because of an assumption

1:11:401:11:43

about the different

needs and challenges

1:11:431:11:46

that these two genders face.

1:11:461:11:49

Some of the women raising concerns

about these issues say that

1:11:491:11:53

although they just want an open

discussion about them,

1:11:531:11:55

they are being silenced.

1:11:551:11:56

Pilgrim Tucker is one of them.

1:11:561:12:01

You say you want a debate,

and there's no possible debate to be

1:12:011:12:06

had but you are called trans-phobic

for wanting that debate.

1:12:061:12:12

A lot of people are saying

there are very significant

1:12:121:12:17

differences between trans-women

and people who are born women.

1:12:171:12:23

Both biological and on the basis

of that biology, on the basis

1:12:231:12:26

of their different anatomy,

how they're treated in society

1:12:261:12:30

and their experience of the world,

that needs a lot of careful thought.

1:12:301:12:37

So let's slow down and really talk

about why women might feel cautious

1:12:371:12:44

about having trans-women

in their spaces.

1:12:441:12:47

Places where they will

feel vulnerable.

1:12:471:12:52

I remember when I was transitioning,

in an attempt to lose some weight

1:12:521:12:55

and get myself into shape,

I joined a gym.

1:12:551:12:59

I know that I felt just

as vulnerable in a female changing

1:12:591:13:07

room so far as feeling the scrutiny

of other women's eyes as I sort

1:13:101:13:13

of walked in in my swimming costume.

1:13:131:13:15

I always used the cubicles.

1:13:151:13:18

I can see how passionate you are,

and it seems that you're afraid,

1:13:181:13:23

almost, of trans people

or trans-women in...

1:13:231:13:25

No, I'm not.

1:13:251:13:26

I don't think there's anything I've

said to make you believe

1:13:261:13:29

that I'm afraid of trans

people, at all.

1:13:291:13:34

What we spoke about, was we spoke

about the prevalence of male

1:13:341:13:36

crimes towards women.

1:13:361:13:38

Those that campaign

for the transgender community,

1:13:381:13:41

such as Paris Lees, argue that self

ID-ing is the next

1:13:411:13:44

step in acceptance.

1:13:441:13:45

It's not a debate, and I find it

really offensive that

1:13:451:13:48

it's framed as a debate.

1:13:481:13:50

Hatred and prejudice against trans

people is not up for debate.

1:13:501:13:54

There's going to be no such thing

as a woman and anyone will be able

1:13:541:13:58

to walk into a toilet and it's

going to be the end of the world,

1:13:581:14:01

and it's nonsense.

1:14:011:14:03

All we're hearing about is all

of people's imagined fears about how

1:14:031:14:05

it's going to be the absolute end

of the world if we make it easier

1:14:051:14:09

for you and I to change

our birth certificates.

1:14:091:14:11

I think it's clear not only

from the conversations I've had

1:14:111:14:14

but also from my own experience

that, although the trans community

1:14:141:14:16

has come a long way in its fight

for equality and recognition,

1:14:161:14:19

there's still a distance to go.

1:14:191:14:22

Rebecca Root is here along

with Dr Clara Barker,

1:14:221:14:25

a scientist at Oxford University

and transgender campaigner,

1:14:251:14:28

whose work has been

praised by Theresa May.

1:14:281:14:31

Also with us, two

feminists who don't believe trans

1:14:311:14:33

women should be allowed

into women's-only spaces.

1:14:331:14:34

Sarah Ditum is a journalist

who writes for the New Statesman

1:14:341:14:38

and the Guardian and has written

about transgender issues.

1:14:381:14:42

Dr Nicola Williams, spokesperson

for Fair Play for Women,

1:14:421:14:45

a women's rights organization.

1:14:451:14:46

Let's cut to the chase -

1:14:461:14:49

What is the worry about trans women

coming into women's spaces like

1:14:531:15:00

female changing rooms, ladies

toilets and hospital wards?

Just to

1:15:001:15:04

clarify, what you said... We are not

against trans-women coming into

1:15:041:15:09

these spaces in all cases. It's just

about in some instances, because

1:15:091:15:13

there are differences between

biological women...

I have to pose

1:15:131:15:19

you because I think your microphone

might not be working.

1:15:191:15:27

Biological women, there are

differences between

1:15:291:15:32

Biological women, there are

differences between biological women

1:15:321:15:33

and trans women so in instances

where biological sex matters, for

1:15:331:15:38

example in a women's refuge, that

would be a case where the equality

1:15:381:15:43

act, single sex exemption should be

allowed to go forward and that

1:15:431:15:47

should be biological women only.

Issues like toilets are less

1:15:471:15:54

important.

And what is the worry, what is the

1:15:541:15:56

concern?

The concern is biological

women are different to trans women

1:15:561:16:03

and trans women have been born male

and so women need to be reassured

1:16:031:16:10

about that. Although we all think

about transsexual people in

1:16:101:16:20

operations but actually the majority

of transgender people nowadays still

1:16:201:16:27

retain the penis so these people are

biologically still male.

I'm going

1:16:271:16:33

to ask Sarah because I still don't

know what the worry is.

The

1:16:331:16:39

potential for exploitation. The idea

within self-identity is you are man

1:16:391:16:43

or woman because you say so and

nobody has the right to question it.

1:16:431:16:48

That is a real problem because it

means there will be men who will

1:16:481:16:52

exploit that, there will be men who

are predatory, who will exploit that

1:16:521:16:57

to gain access to spaces. We have

already seen that in prisons. There

1:16:571:17:03

are men who have moved into the

female estate, and Paris Green is

1:17:031:17:07

the name of one example, have to be

moved out because of sexual

1:17:071:17:13

predatory behaviour towards women

and that is really troubling and we

1:17:131:17:15

need to have a system that is

stronger than self identification to

1:17:151:17:20

protect women and trans women.

Rebecca, do you understand that

1:17:201:17:27

concern?

Yes, but it's like you are

tarring the whole community of trans

1:17:271:17:32

women with the brush of one or two

people who are bad people and in

1:17:321:17:37

prison because they have committed

crimes. It's like saying every

1:17:371:17:43

priest is a bad person because one

or two, maybe more, committed

1:17:431:17:48

offences against young people for

example. So you cannot paint

1:17:481:17:55

everybody with the same brush.

This

is a risk to women and trans women.

1:17:551:18:01

Male violence is the problem we are

all facing. Violent men is an issue

1:18:011:18:07

for all of us and we need a system

that protects everyone of us around

1:18:071:18:12

the table from that.

We need to

remember 90% at least of sexual

1:18:121:18:16

assault are carried out by people

that already know the survivor so

1:18:161:18:20

I'm not sure how self identification

will change that.

Self

1:18:201:18:26

identification means anyone can self

identify as transgender so that is

1:18:261:18:30

the issue. We are not scared of

transgender people, we are being

1:18:301:18:35

cautious of the fact that anyone,

any man can self identify as a

1:18:351:18:42

woman.

If you are caught doing that,

there is a criminal penalty, up to

1:18:421:18:48

two years in prison.

How do you

prove someone is lying about their

1:18:481:18:53

identity? If we move to a situation

where self-identity is the rule, it

1:18:531:18:57

is impossible to say is that someone

you don't sincerely identify as bad.

1:18:571:19:04

Is the proposal not that there will

still be checks and balances so

1:19:041:19:08

people who are self identifying

still have to demonstrate a

1:19:081:19:13

commitment? You are not going to say

the lads that put a ballet tutu on

1:19:131:19:19

and hop on a flight to Amsterdam for

a stag weekend are then going to say

1:19:191:19:25

I'm female, are they?

They could

say, they could. Can women actually

1:19:251:19:33

say... Say a man walks into the

toilets, in this environment now,

1:19:331:19:38

our women feeling confident enough

to say, excuse me, you are man, can

1:19:381:19:43

you leave? Because if that man says

he identifies as a woman, there is

1:19:431:19:48

no other proof required.

Answer that

point. That very specific examples.

1:19:481:19:55

This isn't a case of trans women and

men walking into the bathroom, it is

1:19:551:20:01

whether you look like a woman or a

man, that is what you are policing.

1:20:011:20:06

Some women walk into bathrooms who

look and appear woman about and they

1:20:061:20:10

are kicked out of those bathrooms.

If we are going on biological sex,

1:20:101:20:16

what about trans men going into

female bathrooms, what then?

We have

1:20:161:20:23

every reason to be anxious about

male violence. I'm saying trans men

1:20:231:20:27

have every reason to be anxious

about male violence because they may

1:20:271:20:34

be assaulted. That happens because

the major source of violence in our

1:20:341:20:39

society is men.

Has that happened?

I'm 100% sure I could dig one out.

1:20:391:20:46

Paris says in the film there is a

link between this and conversations

1:20:461:20:56

that used to go on around gay men

using male changing rooms or gay

1:20:561:21:02

people adopting or gay teachers and

the suggestion there would be a

1:21:021:21:06

danger to children. Why do you say

this is different?

Firstly because

1:21:061:21:11

me and Nicola were anti-section 28,

pro-equal marriage...

It is about

1:21:111:21:22

what Paris has called imagined

fears.

They are not imagining Paris

1:21:221:21:27

Green in the prison, we are not

imagining cases where men have

1:21:271:21:32

maliciously gained access to female

spaces.

A really good real-life

1:21:321:21:38

example, girl guides now allow boys

who identify as girls to join the

1:21:381:21:43

girl guides so that means that a

child born male, clearly with a

1:21:431:21:49

penis, would be allowed to sleep

overnight with girls. And there is a

1:21:491:21:58

safeguarding issue there.

OK, that

is not an imagined fear.

You are

1:21:581:22:03

doing the girl guides is service by

assuming they won't be doing risk

1:22:031:22:09

assessments. We risk assess

everything.

My question is, is that

1:22:091:22:16

an imagined fear or a real fear that

you understand?

Erm... You're

1:22:161:22:28

assuming the 11-year-old trans girl

is a sexual predator.

No, we are

1:22:281:22:33

assuming there may be natal males, I

don't know, I cannot adjudicate on

1:22:331:22:39

someone's mental state but when I

was a teenager natal males in my

1:22:391:22:44

class exhibited disturbing

behaviour.

The issue is parents are

1:22:441:22:52

not even allowed to be informed by

the girl guides that this might

1:22:521:22:55

happen so if a parent sends their

daughter off camping, they wouldn't

1:22:551:23:01

be informed there could be a natal

mail boy, there could be a

1:23:011:23:06

14-year-old boy in with their

ten-year-old daughter in a tent and

1:23:061:23:11

no one is allowed to know. How can

there be informed consent there? All

1:23:111:23:20

we are asking for is to think of all

of the people involved because there

1:23:201:23:23

is the trans child to be thought of

but also the girls.

Most of the

1:23:231:23:27

messages we have had from our

audience are to do with domestic

1:23:271:23:31

refuges. Miranda says I feel

strongly... Sorry, this is about a

1:23:311:23:36

woman's short list having said that.

On all women short list I feel

1:23:361:23:40

strongly trans women should not be

on short lists, I am not

1:23:401:23:44

transphobic. I totally accept them

in society but they are not women

1:23:441:23:48

and never will be. A woman is a

person who has a womb. Trans women

1:23:481:23:54

would not be eligible to run as

female candidates. I would have no

1:23:541:23:58

problem with them running as trans

candidates. What would you say to

1:23:581:24:03

that, Rebecca?

Does that mean

1:24:031:24:10

that, Rebecca?

Does that mean people

who have had hysterectomies cannot

1:24:131:24:14

stand on all women short lists?

No,

that is very different. Natal sex

1:24:141:24:17

matters, being female matters. The

reason we have women only short

1:24:171:24:21

lists is because there are things

that happen to women that make it

1:24:211:24:25

harder to have careers in politics,

there is sex discrimination.

This is

1:24:251:24:30

about refuges, if a trans woman

needs a woman's refuge it is because

1:24:301:24:35

she's a woman, not someone

pretending to be. "I Have no problem

1:24:351:24:44

with trans women, I can however

understand some people might feel

1:24:441:24:49

uncomfortable in changing rooms,

particularly if the person has not

1:24:491:24:52

yet undergone full reassignment

surgery".

1:24:521:24:57

Emma Kania is in Blackpool.

1:24:571:24:58

She was in a domestic violence

refuge last year for seven months.

1:24:581:25:02

What is your own view?

The refuge

should be a safe space forward mean

1:25:021:25:11

only. I wouldn't have felt safe

there if there had been either self

1:25:111:25:18

identifying women or transgender

women there. Neither would have the

1:25:181:25:25

people living with me.

Can you give

some insight about why you don't

1:25:251:25:30

think you would have felt safe?

I

needed that women only space. They

1:25:301:25:37

understood what I had been through.

I needed to feel safe and I wouldn't

1:25:371:25:42

have felt safe if there had been

someone there with a penis.

Clara,

1:25:421:25:49

how do you react to that?

It is a

valid concern but this is all about

1:25:491:25:55

whether you look male or female. The

chances are trans women are not

1:25:551:25:59

going to be flaunting their anatomy

in front of you in a refuge or

1:25:591:26:03

other.

People can be perceived as

male. People are very good at doing

1:26:031:26:11

that, being able to spot...

1:26:111:26:18

that, being able to spot...

It does

matter, do you look male or female

1:26:181:26:25

because how people are treated

depends so much on that.

Let's say a

1:26:251:26:30

trans woman was in the refuge that

you were in and they looked like

1:26:301:26:37

you, but they had a penis, you knew

that, would you have felt unsafe?

1:26:371:26:42

Yes, just because I don't trust any

men at the moment so it would have

1:26:421:26:47

made me feel on safe. To me, a true

woman has menstrual cycles, you

1:26:471:26:56

know, it's different. They are not

male, they are not female, they are

1:26:561:27:01

transgender.

Why don't you talk to

Emma and tell her why that's

1:27:011:27:05

offensive for you to hear that?

My

mother doesn't have a menstrual

1:27:051:27:12

cycle but she is a natal female.

She

did do in the past.

But you are

1:27:121:27:19

talking about the current time. Do

you know what hormone therapy dust

1:27:191:27:24

of the libido of a natal male?

We

don't know they are on oestrogen

1:27:241:27:30

therapy because it is self-identity.

No medical treatment is necessary,

1:27:301:27:35

simply identifying yourself as

female is all that would be required

1:27:351:27:39

to come into the women's refuge.

I

want to ask Clara and Rebecca,

1:27:391:27:45

legitimate questions raised by Emma

would you say for example, and often

1:27:451:27:49

the worry is that if a person raises

what might be considered to be a

1:27:491:27:55

reasonable or legitimate concern,

they are immediately described as

1:27:551:28:00

transphobic. Do you agree that

happens, and what can we do about

1:28:001:28:04

it?

It can happen but it is a two

way street. Any arguments made by

1:28:041:28:11

trans people are shut down and if

there was an equivalent word it

1:28:111:28:15

would be used towards trans women.

It is so important we have

1:28:151:28:19

conversations like this and it can

be an enormously febrile discussion

1:28:191:28:23

and that is of no benefit to any of

us because the constant theme we

1:28:231:28:27

have been coming back to is the

issue we are contending with is male

1:28:271:28:32

violence. In terms of women's

refuges, women's movements did

1:28:321:28:38

extraordinary work in the 1980s

establishing them. It is all there

1:28:381:28:43

for trans women to learn from in

terms of establishing your own

1:28:431:28:47

specialist services. There are

things trans women experience that I

1:28:471:28:51

will never experience.

I don't think

anybody in the trans community is

1:28:511:28:57

saying there shouldn't be spaces

that protect vulnerable people of

1:28:571:29:00

whatever gender they are. I think if

the situation were to arise where

1:29:001:29:07

somebody felt threatened, I'm sure

the people who operated that place

1:29:071:29:11

would investigate and say this

person has, until yesterday, been

1:29:111:29:16

sporting a big bushy beard and

rocking up as Jack.

I will also say

1:29:161:29:22

that I have talked to a few people

that run rape crisis centres and

1:29:221:29:27

they do, they want to help everyone.

You are saying we should have trans

1:29:271:29:32

specific services but they are also

under capacity for the services they

1:29:321:29:37

provide to a single gender.

It is an

under resourced sector so the

1:29:371:29:41

pressure to provide gender neutral

services is even worse.

Sorry to

1:29:411:29:46

interrupt, a final question - do you

think there are people who are

1:29:461:29:55

transphobic who are exploiting

ignorance in order to whip up fears?

1:29:551:30:00

I think there are definitely people

who are transphobic and who wouldn't

1:30:001:30:04

want to have the kind of

conversation we've had here, who

1:30:041:30:07

wouldn't want to acknowledge the

risk and danger you face as trans

1:30:071:30:12

women and I want no part of them. I

don't think that hatred has any

1:30:121:30:17

place, I really think we should be

working together to address how do

1:30:171:30:21

we all address male violence in a

way that approaches a specific

1:30:211:30:26

situations?

It's about balancing

rights. Transgender people need to

1:30:261:30:32

be free of discrimination, women,

females do, all of the different

1:30:321:30:35

categories need to be balanced and

it needs to be fair so we are just

1:30:351:30:40

asking because I think women's

voices have been silenced really up

1:30:401:30:44

until now so we are just asking to

be able to be heard. Not to be told

1:30:441:30:50

that we are transphobic because this

is a great environment today. This

1:30:501:30:54

is unusual to have two women and two

trans women here so this is a great

1:30:541:31:02

start. We can start talking because

nobody wants to take rights away

1:31:021:31:06

from anybody.

1:31:061:31:11

And the Nicola articulated that, she

said women and trans women. Is that

1:31:111:31:16

OK?

Yes, speaking personally I'm not

going to nit-pick over the labels we

1:31:161:31:22

assign people. I am happy to be

called a trans-woman, I am equally

1:31:221:31:26

happy to be called a woman. But some

trans women would take great

1:31:261:31:31

exception. What I welcome about this

conversation and the opportunity to

1:31:311:31:35

make the film is that I had some

very considered conversations with

1:31:351:31:40

people from both sides of the fence,

if you like. That's what I welcome

1:31:401:31:45

in this forum, this conversation, is

that it was nuanced and considered

1:31:451:31:52

and respectful. It's on social media

where people get hot under the

1:31:521:31:58

collar, that's when you think, let's

just talk.

It's people like us that

1:31:581:32:07

who want to be reasonable and share

rights. That's what we're asking

1:32:071:32:11

for.

Thank you very much for coming

on the programme, we appreciate it.

1:32:111:32:22

We have some breaking news, but my

tablet is not working, so I will

1:32:221:32:25

tell you that Theresa May is due to

give a speech at any moment now

1:32:251:32:28

setting out the government's new

policy on house-building in England

1:32:281:32:31

and we will bring that to you live.

1:32:311:32:37

But first - people in many parts of

the UK are without water after pipes

1:32:371:32:41

burst following last week's freeze.

1:32:411:32:42

Millions of people in London

and the south-east have been told

1:32:421:32:45

not to use water for anything

that isn't essential.

1:32:451:32:47

Let's speak now to

Geoff Marshall who lives

1:32:471:32:49

in Streatham in South London and has

had no water since yesterday

1:32:491:32:52

and Sara Anderson, the landlady

of the Old Vine Pub in Wadhurst

1:32:521:32:54

in Kent where they have had no water

since Saturday morning.

1:32:541:33:00

Thank you both very much. How is it

going, the pub landlady.

It's very

1:33:001:33:06

depressing, still no water.

How are

you coping?

We are closed today, but

1:33:061:33:14

it has been disastrous over the

weekend.

Have you had much

1:33:141:33:18

communication from your water

company?

No, not really. The odd

1:33:181:33:23

text. Communication has been very

poor.

What about you,

1:33:231:33:33

poor.

What about you, Geoff.

We had

a small amount of water comeback at

1:33:331:33:37

about 9am, but it's very low

pressure and it's not enough to

1:33:371:33:41

shower, which is why my hair looks

like this! But they don't seem to

1:33:411:33:45

communicate what's going on at

Thames Water. It took them until

1:33:451:33:49

about midnight last night to

recognise the postcode was affected

1:33:491:33:53

and there is very little information

coming from them as to when a fix

1:33:531:33:56

might occur.

What's been the worst

bit for you?

I went out and bought a

1:33:561:34:06

lot of bottled water today but I

can't shower. My girlfriend is at

1:34:061:34:10

home today and she can't use the

bathroom. You can't wash. We can do

1:34:101:34:15

number ones but not a number twos!

We will cause you, because he is

1:34:151:34:21

Theresa May and her latest speech on

housing.

About my desire to make

1:34:211:34:25

this a country that works for

everyone. A country that regardless

1:34:251:34:28

of where you live, your race,

religion, what your parents do for a

1:34:281:34:33

living, you have a fair chance to

get on and build a life for yourself

1:34:331:34:38

and family. It's a philosophy that

shapes everything this government

1:34:381:34:42

does. Over the past 18 months we

have done much to help turn vision

1:34:421:34:47

into reality. We are reforming

schools, colleges and universities

1:34:471:34:51

so that all children and young

people get the education that's

1:34:511:34:54

right for them. We are addressing

failures in the justice system,

1:34:541:34:59

making it more transparent so that

racial disparities can be at a

1:34:591:35:06

divide and ironed out. We are

raising the national living wage,

1:35:061:35:08

increasing income tax personal

allowance and capping energy bills

1:35:081:35:10

so people are able to keep more of

the money they have worked so hard

1:35:101:35:13

to earn. And as I said at Mansion

house on Friday, we are negotiating

1:35:131:35:19

a Brexit deal that works for the

whole of the UK so nobody feels they

1:35:191:35:23

have been left behind. It's all

about making this country a fairer

1:35:231:35:30

place for all. Breathing fresh life

into the British dream that every

1:35:301:35:34

generation has a better future than

the last. But we cannot fulfil that

1:35:341:35:39

dream, we cannot bring about the

kind of society I want to see,

1:35:391:35:43

unless we tackle one of the biggest

barriers to social mobility we face

1:35:431:35:47

today, the National housing crisis.

The causes and manifestations vary

1:35:471:35:52

from place to place. But the impact

is all too clear. In much of the

1:35:521:35:58

country, housing is so unaffordable

that millions of people who would

1:35:581:36:01

reasonably expect to buy their own

home, are unable to do so. Others

1:36:011:36:06

are struggling even to find

somewhere to rent. The root cause of

1:36:061:36:11

this crisis is simple. For decades,

this country has failed to build

1:36:111:36:16

enough of the right homes in the

right places. It's a problem that

1:36:161:36:21

has played successive governments of

all colours since post-war

1:36:211:36:25

house-building peeked under the

first Wilson administration. But it

1:36:251:36:30

was from the mid-19 90s that the

failure to match demand with supply.

1:36:301:36:39

In 1997, the average home cost 3.5

times the average wage. By 2010,

1:36:391:36:44

that ratio had more than doubled.

Higher prices brought with them

1:36:441:36:50

higher rents, so prospective

first-time buyers found themselves

1:36:501:36:53

able to save less and less, even as

the size of the deposit they needed

1:36:531:36:57

grew and grew. The result is a

vicious circle, from which most

1:36:571:37:02

people can only escape with help

from the bank of mum and dad. If you

1:37:021:37:07

are not lucky enough to have such

support, the door to home ownership

1:37:071:37:11

is all too often locked and barred.

Talking to voters during last year's

1:37:111:37:16

election campaign, it was clear that

many people, particularly younger

1:37:161:37:20

people, are angry about this. Angry

that regardless about how hard they

1:37:201:37:25

work, they will not be able to buy a

place of their own. Angry when they

1:37:251:37:29

are forced to hand over more of

their wages to landlords to whom

1:37:291:37:33

their home is simply a business

asset. Angry that no matter how many

1:37:331:37:38

sacrifices they make to save for a

deposit, they will never be able to

1:37:381:37:42

compete with someone whose parents

have released equity from their own

1:37:421:37:46

home to help their children by. They

are right to be angry. Income

1:37:461:37:52

inequality is down since 2010,

thanks in part to increases in the

1:37:521:37:57

personal allowance and the national

living wage, but wealth inequality

1:37:571:38:01

continues to rise. And as figures

such as Matthew Ron Darby argue, it

1:38:011:38:08

is wealth unearned and offering huge

returns that lies at the heart of

1:38:081:38:16

the disparity. But the crisis goes

beyond the simple division between

1:38:161:38:23

housing haves and have-nots. The

crisis of affordability also creates

1:38:231:38:30

crisis of almost little social

mobility. Think of the skilled

1:38:301:38:33

experienced worker who is offered a

promotion but cannot afford to take

1:38:331:38:36

it up because it would mean moving

to a town or city where he can't

1:38:361:38:40

afford to live. Think of the

talented young woman from a

1:38:401:38:45

working-class background who cannot

afford to take an entry-level

1:38:451:38:48

professional job because she

wouldn't be able to live nearby.

1:38:481:38:51

It's not so hard to accept that door

opening internship in London if your

1:38:511:38:59

parents on a large house in central

London. It's a much greater

1:38:591:39:02

challenge if you share a room with

your siblings in a North Wales

1:39:021:39:06

Terrace. So the shortage of housing

in this country reinforces

1:39:061:39:10

inequality. It prevents social

mobility and stops people fulfilling

1:39:101:39:15

their potential. It creates and

exacerbates divisions between

1:39:151:39:19

generations and between those who

own property and those who do not.

1:39:191:39:24

And it undermines something more,

something less tangible but just as

1:39:241:39:30

important, the sense of community,

of belonging. Of responsibility that

1:39:301:39:33

comes with owning your own home, or

having an affordable, secure,

1:39:331:39:39

long-term tenancy. I still vividly

remember the first home I shared

1:39:391:39:43

with my husband, Philip. Not only

our actors on the walls and books on

1:39:431:39:48

the shelves, but also the security

that came from knowing we couldn't

1:39:481:39:51

be asked to move on at short notice.

And because we had that security,

1:39:511:39:55

because we had a place to go back

to, it was that much easier to play

1:39:551:40:00

an active role in our community. To

share in the common purpose of a

1:40:001:40:04

free society. And that is what this

country should be about. Not just

1:40:041:40:10

having a roof over your head, but

having a stake in your community and

1:40:101:40:13

its future. All that is put at risk

by the mismatch between housing

1:40:131:40:19

supply and housing demand. And the

soaring prices that have resulted.

1:40:191:40:26

This government is already taking

action to help hard-pressed buyers.

1:40:261:40:30

We are putting in extra £10 billion

into help to buy, giving another

1:40:301:40:36

135,000 families a step up the

property ladder. We are scrapping

1:40:361:40:40

stamp duty for 80% of first-time

buyers and looking at ways to make

1:40:401:40:44

the whole process of buying and

selling homes quicker, easier and

1:40:441:40:48

cheaper. But to stop the seemingly

endless rise in house prices, we

1:40:481:40:54

simply have to build more homes.

Especially in the places where an

1:40:541:40:59

affordability is greatest. -- where

the lack of affordability is

1:40:591:41:06

greatest to stop doing so requires

action on many fronts and at the

1:41:061:41:08

heart of the matter is the planning

process. Planning professionals

1:41:081:41:12

might not be as visible as the

bricklayers, carpenters and roofers,

1:41:121:41:16

but we cannot build the homes we

need without them. Because if there

1:41:161:41:20

is one thing I learned from my time

on Merton Council, its that good

1:41:201:41:24

planning is all about detail. It's

very easy for a politician to stand

1:41:241:41:28

up and say he or she will build

however many homes in however many

1:41:281:41:31

years. But it's an empty promise if

they don't also address the smaller

1:41:311:41:38

issues that underpin it. Where in

the country will they be built? In

1:41:381:41:43

what communities, what sites, what

kind of homes will they be and what

1:41:431:41:46

infrastructure will be needed to

support them? Will the plans be

1:41:461:41:50

imposed from above or will local

people have a say in what happens in

1:41:501:41:54

their area? These are the kind of

questions that need to be answered

1:41:541:41:57

by anyone who is serious about

getting homes built. They are the

1:41:571:42:02

kind of questions asked every day by

planning professionals. And they are

1:42:021:42:05

the kind of questions this

government is answering with the new

1:42:051:42:10

fairer more effective planning rules

we are launching today. When using

1:42:101:42:18

correctly, as was the case for many

years, -- when used incorrectly, as

1:42:181:42:24

was a case for many years, it can

block up the system. But in the

1:42:241:42:30

right hands it can help regulate,

shape and drive the construction of

1:42:301:42:34

homes in this country. This

government is rewriting the rules on

1:42:341:42:37

planning with a major overhaul being

published today. We are giving

1:42:371:42:41

councils and developers the backing

they need to get more homes built

1:42:411:42:44

more quickly. More homes at prices

that are affordable for first-time

1:42:441:42:49

buyers. More homes for NHS staff,

teachers, firefighters and other key

1:42:491:42:55

workers on whom all communities

depend. More homes for rent on

1:42:551:43:00

family friendly, three-year

tenancies. We are streamlining the

1:43:001:43:03

planning process so much-needed

homes are not held up by endless

1:43:031:43:07

appeals and bureaucracy. We are

making it easier for neglected and

1:43:071:43:11

abandoned commercial sites to be

turned into housing. And we are

1:43:111:43:15

making sure councils do all they can

to find sites, granted planning

1:43:151:43:19

permissions and build homes. That

includes creating a nationwide

1:43:191:43:24

standard that shows how many homes

authorities need to plan for in

1:43:241:43:28

their area, making the system fairer

and more transparent. Our new rules

1:43:281:43:32

will see to it that is the right

infrastructure is in place to

1:43:321:43:37

support such developments. When

people propose large scale the

1:43:371:43:41

relevant in their area, it's often

because they are worried their

1:43:411:43:43

village or town will not be able to

bear the weight of hundreds of new

1:43:431:43:48

arrivals. Their schools are already

full and roads already congested.

1:43:481:43:51

The waiting list at their GP is

already too long. They want to know

1:43:511:43:56

that any new homes will be

accompanied by appropriate new

1:43:561:43:59

facilities and infrastructure. And

under our new planning rules, that

1:43:591:44:04

is exactly what will happen. Local

communities will be put at the heart

1:44:041:44:09

of the planning process, by seeing

to it that all areas have an

1:44:091:44:12

up-to-date plan. Yet we must not

lose sight of the fact that planning

1:44:121:44:17

for the homes we need is not the

same as building the homes we need.

1:44:171:44:23

After all, families can't live in a

planning permission. A well-designed

1:44:231:44:27

local plan will not keep your

children safe and warm at night. The

1:44:271:44:32

reforms driven forward under our

last Prime Minister led to a great

1:44:321:44:37

and welcome increase in the number

of planning permission is granted,

1:44:371:44:40

but we did not see a corresponding

rise in the number of homes being

1:44:401:44:43

built. All of that is changing. The

secretary of State for housing,

1:44:431:44:49

Sajid Javid, along with his

ministerial team and their

1:44:491:44:52

officials, are doing incredible work

in tackling failings at every level

1:44:521:44:55

of the housing sector. I have taken

personal charge of meeting the

1:44:551:45:00

housing challenge, leading a task

force that brings together ministers

1:45:001:45:03

and officials from every corner of

the answer, all the evidence shows

1:45:031:45:15

that just reforming planning and

expecting the developers to build

1:45:151:45:19

the homes we need is pie in the sky.

Of course they have a clear and

1:45:191:45:23

vital role to play, but the

government must also step in if

1:45:231:45:26

homes are going to get built.

1:45:261:45:32

We are committing at least £44

billion of funding to support the

1:45:321:45:36

housing market. We have changed the

rules so authorities facing the

1:45:361:45:41

greatest affordability pressures can

access the finance they need to

1:45:411:45:44

build more council homes for local

people. We have given homes England

1:45:441:45:48

a more muscular proactive role in

site Assembly, bringing together

1:45:481:45:53

patches of land to create a coherent

site suitable for development. We

1:45:531:45:57

are investigating innovative, modern

construction methods that get more

1:45:571:46:02

homes build more quickly. The £5

billion housing infrastructure fund

1:46:021:46:07

has already made its first awards,

investing almost £900 million in the

1:46:071:46:14

roads, cycle parts, flood defences

and other essential works that will

1:46:141:46:18

allow for the construction of up to

200,000 homes that would otherwise

1:46:181:46:21

not get built. And we have put an

additional £1.5 billion into the

1:46:211:46:30

home-building fund, helping smaller

developers build homes that don't

1:46:301:46:34

attract finance from the private

sector. As one builder put it, after

1:46:341:46:39

finishing a development in

Derbyshire, the banks were very

1:46:391:46:42

sceptical and unhelpful.

Let's pause

and get an immediate reaction to

1:46:421:46:48

some of the things Theresa May has

been saying. Naomi Willis is here,

1:46:481:46:53

her family has lived in nine rented

houses in nine years.

1:46:531:47:01

We can also speak

to Kevin Hollinrake -

1:47:021:47:04

Conservative MP for Thirsk

and Malton and member of the Housing

1:47:041:47:12

Select Committee, and to Tom Shaw -

Labour member of Luton Council.

1:47:121:47:17

Luton is one of the fastest

growing cities in England

1:47:171:47:19

but has been accused of being slow

to build houses for

1:47:191:47:22

the growing population.

1:47:221:47:24

Kevin, we need 300,000 homes

builty each year to fix

1:47:241:47:27

the housing crisis -

how does this latest plan do that?

1:47:271:47:31

There is a 50% increase in the

number of new home completions since

1:47:311:47:36

the recession but we need to build a

lot more, we need 217,000 new homes

1:47:361:47:43

last year -- we built.

Since 2010

you have never reached the 300,000

1:47:431:47:49

figure in any year.

The last time we

reached that figure was 1972 so

1:47:491:47:55

there's an awful lot of work to do

and buses to get right and that's

1:47:551:47:58

what the Prime Minister was

outlining. Many local authorities to

1:47:581:48:05

put effective plans in place. We

need developers to build more homes

1:48:051:48:11

and deallocate sites where

developers don't develop and we need

1:48:111:48:16

more small builders, and more land

to be released, public sector land

1:48:161:48:23

and private sector land, and we need

to have a decision about the price

1:48:231:48:26

we are paying for that land to make

sure homes are more affordable.

They

1:48:261:48:31

are all just words, with respect.

This there has been a 100% increase

1:48:311:48:36

in the number of new home starts...

In this speech, I'm talking about.

1:48:361:48:43

But her policies are absolutely

right. York has not had a local plan

1:48:431:48:48

for over 50 years which puts more

pressure on neighbouring local

1:48:481:48:51

authorities. Their numbers in their

plan are around 300 short of the

1:48:511:48:56

objectively assessed number of homes

required every year in York. Some

1:48:561:49:00

local authorities are gaming the

system because it can be politically

1:49:001:49:09

difficult to build new homes. There

are 3 million people in this country

1:49:091:49:17

living in poverty as a result of the

house prices. We need to tackle this

1:49:171:49:21

issue now.

This Naomi Willis, you

would agree. Have you heard anything

1:49:211:49:26

from Mrs May that makes you think

this will make a difference?

The

1:49:261:49:36

problem is will the property

actually be affordable? Is you are

1:49:361:49:43

having five times the level of

salary to get a mortgage. By normal

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people's standards that is not. Are

these going to go out to first time

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buyers or our landlord is going to

come in and buy the properties. The

1:49:561:50:01

town over from us had a new

development go in and soon as they

1:50:011:50:05

were built, it was to let across all

of the properties.

That's a good

1:50:051:50:16

point, how would your government

stop that from happening?

Absolutely

1:50:161:50:20

right, and the Government set aside

£9 billion for affordable housing.

1:50:201:50:25

Affordable housing is 80% of market

value and quite right, to a lot of

1:50:251:50:30

people that is still unaffordable.

Housing benefit helps but we also

1:50:301:50:33

need more socially rented homes

which are around 40-50% of market

1:50:331:50:39

value. That is part of government

policy but essentially it's about

1:50:391:50:43

supply of more homes.

Councils are

not doing enough, that's the bottom

1:50:431:50:49

line, isn't it?

No, it's not. The

Government needs to give the council

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's the freedom to borrow what they

need. You have a false restriction

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on the housing revenue account.

So

let councils borrow more?

Yes, and

1:51:031:51:10

let them get on with the job.

And I

would agree with that.

Why weren't

1:51:101:51:20

the Prime Minister let them?

The

housing minister is that what they

1:51:201:51:25

will let them do, in

1:51:251:51:31

will let them do, in areas... They

will be allowed to borrow more.

I'm

1:51:311:51:37

going to leave it there, thank you

to all of you for your time. Thank

1:51:371:51:45

you for your messages on trans women

and their rights. Paula says, I am a

1:51:451:51:51

warm with a transgender past, I was

never a proper man. Even when I was

1:51:511:51:56

a soldier fighting for my country.

It was a constant source of regret

1:51:561:52:00

that I was not born as a girl and it

wasn't until 2005 I was able to

1:52:001:52:06

commence transition. I took seven

years of hormonal treatments,

1:52:061:52:09

therapeutic support and walking the

walk before I had corrective

1:52:091:52:13

surgery. I now have a gender

1:52:131:52:25

recognition certificates and I'm

accepted by my female friends and

1:52:281:52:30

work colleagues. I would ask, who is

more female? Who, through the

1:52:301:52:33

accident of birth, was born female,

or I?

1:52:331:52:35

This is from geek, I am a

transgender woman, my solution is

1:52:351:52:42

simple, I only use non-gendered

toilets. E-mail from Tracy, these

1:52:421:52:47

people are judging people on their

genitals. How do they know what

1:52:471:52:55

genitals anyone has unless they swan

around naked? Thanks for getting in

1:52:551:52:59

touch.

1:52:591:53:03

"America has failed our kids,"

the words of a mother whose children

1:53:091:53:12

have been caught up in both

the Columbine and Florida

1:53:121:53:14

school shootings.

1:53:141:53:15

12 students and one teacher

were killed in Colombine and 12

1:53:151:53:20

students and five adults

were killed in Florida.

1:53:201:53:23

Celia Randolph's children attended

both schools at the time

1:53:231:53:25

of the shooting and on each ocassion

she recieved the call that every

1:53:251:53:33

American parent dreads, saying that

a shooting was under way.

1:53:371:53:39

Now she's using those

tragedies to speak out on gun

1:53:391:53:42

control in the states.

1:53:421:53:45

We can speak to her now

alongside her 16-year-old son

1:53:451:53:47

Christian, who is a junior

at Marjory Stoneman Douglas

1:53:471:53:49

High School in Parkland.

1:53:491:53:54

And her daughter Chelsea, who is 26

and was caught up in Columbine.

Good

1:53:541:54:03

morning.

Thank you for talking to

us. I want to ask you as a mother

1:54:031:54:09

about getting a call, about getting

a text to say there is shooting

1:54:091:54:15

under at your child's school.

This

before we go there, I do need to

1:54:151:54:23

correct the information you just

provided. My daughter Chelsea did

1:54:231:54:28

not attend Columbine, Columbine was

about an hour away from where we

1:54:281:54:35

lived, and she attended different

high school which had a of a

1:54:351:54:38

different nature.

I apologise,

Celia.

1:54:381:54:49

Celia.

As far as getting a call and

a text both times, the call came

1:54:491:54:54

from our older daughter Natasha.

Prior to getting that call from

1:54:541:55:01

Natasha, this time for Christian I

got a text from a friend of mine

1:55:011:55:05

whose daughter had been in school

with Chelsea, and she knew now that

1:55:051:55:14

we lived here and that Christian

attended the school. I got a text

1:55:141:55:21

from her asking me in general where

he was, then immediately got the

1:55:211:55:26

call from Natasha telling me about

the shooting and both times it was

1:55:261:55:30

heart stopping.

You began to text

Christian of course, like any parent

1:55:301:55:37

would in that scenario.

Actually I

ran to my car and started driving

1:55:371:55:41

over there, and didn't actually

think to text, to be honest, until I

1:55:411:55:49

got closer because I knew I needed

to be there. It is. Texting him as

1:55:491:55:54

soon as it was safe, at stoplights,

and there was no answer and I kept

1:55:541:56:00

texting and texting. That was

really, really scary because the

1:56:001:56:06

kids of course answer back

immediately.

Christian, I gather you

1:56:061:56:13

went back to school for the first

time on Wednesday. How are you?

I

1:56:131:56:20

think we are all still processing,

me and the other kids, but we are

1:56:201:56:28

trying to salvage something out of

this, make a change of lethal

1:56:281:56:32

doesn't happen again.

Chelsea, what

is your view on the gun-control

1:56:321:56:39

legislation in the States and what

has to change now?

I think it's

1:56:391:56:44

important we all use our voices and

that we make a stand to make sure

1:56:441:56:49

the military style weapons get the

end, that there are harsher

1:56:491:56:56

background checks and they are more

comprehensive. We believe that

1:56:561:57:04

18-year-olds should not be able to

obtain military style weapons.

1:57:041:57:12

Jason, do you think this really is a

tipping point?

I believe so. These

1:57:121:57:19

shootings are affecting so many

people that it's got to a point that

1:57:191:57:23

everyone is getting together,

whether you are Republican or

1:57:231:57:28

Democrat we are coming together as

parents, right? And we are trying to

1:57:281:57:33

address this issue so it is a

tipping point I believe.

Celia, what

1:57:331:57:38

do you believe your mission is now?

I have been thrown into this. When

1:57:381:57:46

it happened to Chelsea, that was in

2006, we looked at it as a random

1:57:461:57:52

act of violence in our community.

This is a tipping point for all of

1:57:521:57:58

us and moving forward I cannot be

silent any more. So I want to

1:57:581:58:03

advocate more for reasonable

gun-control and restriction and

1:58:031:58:11

safety in our schools and also

address the mental health issues.

1:58:111:58:22

Thank you, and I apologise for my

error again, but thank you for your

1:58:231:58:28

time. Thanks for your company

1:58:281:58:30

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