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Hello, it's Tuesday, it's 9 o'clock,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

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welcome to the programme.

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Our top story...

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A former Russian agent

who also spied for the UK

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is critically ill in hospital.

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Police are trying to

identify what caused him

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and a female companion

to collapse on a park

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bench in Salisbury.

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An older guy and a younger girl, she

was sort of Lent in on him, it

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looked like she had passed out,

maybe. He was doing strange hand

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movements, looking to the sky.

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So, was he poisoned?

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And, if so, was it

by the Russian state?

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We'll tell you what we

actually know so far.

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Also on the programme...

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If you're taking Xanax

as a recreational drug you're

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dicing with your death -

that's the warning this morning

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as we reveal a rise in the number

of young people taking it,

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some as young as 13.

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How long have you been using?

I

would say about... About nine

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months.

How often do you use?

Probably once every two or three

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weeks.

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That full exclusive story

in about 15 minutes.

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We're keen to hear your

experience of Xanax too -

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if you've taken it, do get in touch

in the usual ways.

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Food companies have been told

they must cut the calories

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in their products by a fifth

within six years, and we're

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being told to go on a diet and eat

400 calories for breakfast and 600

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calories for lunch and dinner.

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Is that sensible advice?

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Do let us know what you think.

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Hello.

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Welcome to the programme,

we're live until 11am.

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Throughout the morning we'll bring

you the latest breaking news

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and developing stories.

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A little later, Britain's most

senior counterterrorism police

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officer will tell us in his final

provides television interview before

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retiring from his post that social

media companies have a moral duty to

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tip of police about individuals

posting extremist content online.

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As always, we want to hear from you.

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Do get in touch on all the stories

we're talking about this morning -

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use the hashtag #VictoriaLive.

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If you text, you will be charged

at the standard network rate.

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Our top story today...

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Police are trying to identify

a substance which caused a former

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Russian double agent to fall

critically ill in

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Salisbury yesterday.

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Sergei Skripal was convicted

by a Russian court of passing

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state secrets to MI6,

but was later given refuge in

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Britain as part of a prisoner swap.

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Leila Nathoo reports.

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Police are racing to establish

just what happened here.

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Last night, officers

were examining the contents

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of a bin near to the bench

where Sergei Skripal

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and a 33-year-old woman were found

unconscious on Sunday afternoon.

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A high-street Italian

restaurant nearby was closed,

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the staff inside questioned.

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Detectives are trying to piece

together the events that led

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to the police being called out

to this shopping precinct

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in the centre of the city.

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There was a couple.

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An older guy and a younger girl.

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She was, sort of, lent in on him.

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It looked like she had

passed out, maybe.

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He was doing some strange hand

movements, looking up to the sky.

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I felt anxious.

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I felt like I should step in.

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But, to be honest, they looked

so out of it that I thought

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even if I did step in,

I wasn't sure how I could help.

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The two remain in a critical

condition at Salisbury Hospital.

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Sergei Skripal was a former Russian

secret service officer,

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convicted of treason in 2006

after he was accused

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of spying for Britain.

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But he was pardoned in Russia

in 2010 and handed over to the UK

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in a swap when he and three others

were exchanged for

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Russian spies in the US.

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Police say they're keeping an open

mind about this incident and don't

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yet know whether a crime has taken

place, but given Sergei Skripal's

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background, it's likely to be

a sensitive investigation.

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And Leila Nathoo joins

me from Salisbury.

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What is the latest?

You can see

there is a bit of police activity,

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picked up a bit this morning when we

first arrived earlier. Police are

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still remaining tight-lipped about

the identities of the two who were

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found here. We expect to hear a

little more from them later today,

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perhaps with an update. So far they

are only confirming a 66-year-old

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man and a 33-year-old woman were

found here and conscience. Police

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say they were known to each other

and are working to determine why and

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how they fell unconscious. There was

a big decontamination method in the

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aftermath of when they were found.

That has now cleared that there is a

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white police caught in place. Last

night we saw more officers in

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protective suits, as I saw in my

report, wearing masks, scarring the

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bins. There is no sign of that sort

of activity going on yet, but it is

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clear the is of substantial interest

to police as they try to piece

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together the movements of the two

before they appeared on the bench.

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The restaurant was closed last

night, there is still a police

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presence. That is clearly one focus

of the inquiry. It still looked like

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police are some way off confirming

exactly who was here and what

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happened.

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Annita McVeigh is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary

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of the rest of the day's news.

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Water companies have been working

through the night to restore

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supplies to thousands of homes

across south-east England affected

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by burst pipes after last

week's cold weather.

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Production at two of

Jaguar Land Rover plants had to be

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halted temporarily to allow water

to be prioritised by emergency

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services and hospitals.

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Tom Burridge reports.

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After the big freeze,

the thaw, and cracked,

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leaking water pipes in several parts

of the country.

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So this the only supply

for thousands of people

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for several days.

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Thames Water is handing out bottles

of water to its customers in parts

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of London which are cut off.

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Thousands of homes in Scotland,

Wales and southern

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England are affected.

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I've got five kids, and literally

without water for like -

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since 6:00pm yesterday morning.

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It's terrible.

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Washing the bottles

is just a bit difficult.

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There's a lot of stuff

covered in baby poo that

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I can't wash at the moment.

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7:30am in the morning they sent me

a message, the water's fixed.

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Nurseries and schools have closed.

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Some say the water companies

should have planned more.

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This is a national crisis

in our water industries

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and it is clear they are not

fit for purpose.

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At the very least, one would have

thought there would be some

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kind of public inquiry.

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People will be interested to know

whether they will get compensation

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for what has happened.

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Several water companies

have apologised.

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They say they were working overnight

to get people connected again.

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Counterfeit Xanax pills laced

with a powerful painkiller have

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become a party drug among some young

people - but Public Health England

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have warned this programme users

are "dicing with death."

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The drug is widely prescribed

in the US to treat anxiety and can

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be obtained on private prescription

in the UK.

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But among some teenagers and young

adults in the UK it has become

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a popular recreational

drug used illegally.

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One of the country's most senior

police officers has said

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that the threat from far-right

extremist groups is growing.

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The Metropolitan Police's

counter-terrorism chief,

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Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley,

told this programme

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that the rise of organisations

such as the now-banned,

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National Action, was alarming.

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Particularly concerning

that the end of 2016,

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the Home Secretary prescribed,

that means she banned,

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as a terrorist organisation,

National Action,

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which are home-grown.

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They are, sort of, white

supremacist, neo-Nazi.

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They want things like

whites-only towns.

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They are a very unsavoury group.

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And they are plotting violence,

they are trying to undermine Britain

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and they are starting

to make international connections.

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That's a matter of grave concern.

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I don't pretend it's

the same as the threats...

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It is of grave concern that's

growing up in our communities.

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And you can hear Victoria's full

interview with Mark Rowley

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at around 10:45 this morning.

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A new unit is being set up to tackle

gang activity and organised crime

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being carried out within prisons

in England and Wales.

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The Justice Secretary David Gauke

is concerned that too many prisoners

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are able to smuggle drugs,

mobile phones and weapons

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into their cells, fuelling

violence amongst inmates.

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Under the changes, set to be

announced later today,

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inmates who get involved with crime

behind bars could be moved

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to higher security jails.

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Public Health England have

challenged the food industry

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to cut calories in products

like ready meals, sandwiches,

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pizza and snacks.

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It's hoped the plans,

targeting some of the most

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popular family foods,

could lead to a drop

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in the number of obese children

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The packaging industry in England

has denied claims that it is greatly

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exaggerating the amount

of plastic it recycles.

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It follows the release

of a report today by waste

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consultancy group Eunomia,

who say the industry's figures don't

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add up and companies aren't paying

enough towards the £2.8 billion

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annual cost of collecting

and processing plastic.

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Former BBC Breakfast presenter

Bill Turnbull has announced that

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he's been diagnosed with prostate

and bone cancer.

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He tweeted the news late last night

and has undergone chemotherapy.

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He says he is in good

spirits and hopes to be

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around for some time yet.

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He was at Breakfast for 15 years

before leaving the sofa in 2016.

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Bill was diagnosed at

the end of last year

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during the recording

of The Great Celebrity Bake Off

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For Stand Up To Cancer on Channel 4.

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I was getting pains in my legs and

my hips, particularly. And they

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would come and go and I thought this

is old age. Eventually the pains got

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so bad I thought, well, I'd better

see my GP. He said, well, I'm just

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going to give you a blood test, just

an MOT, just to check if few things

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out. The next morning he called me

and asked me to come in pretty

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quickly. The doctor said it is

fairly clear from this that you have

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advanced prostate cancer.

Bill Turnbull.

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That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 9.30am.

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I would like to send our love and

strength to Bill Turnbull.

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Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning -

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use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE.

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And if you text, you will be charged

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Let's get some sport.

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Olly Foster is with us this morning.

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We spoke yesterday, Olly,

about that DCMS doping report

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that claimed that British Cycling

had crossed an ethical line.

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Sir Bradley Wiggins said

he would have his say

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and he certainly has.

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Yes, he'd sort out our sports editor

damp Roan, gave an hour-long

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interview yesterday defending

himself against what was the main

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thrust of the DC MS report that he

and Team Sky, the professional

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cycling team, had crossed an ethical

line in the use of prescribed asthma

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and allergy medication. A very

powerful steroids, to enhance

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performance. He says he is the

victim of a smear campaign, that the

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source quoted in the report is being

militias. He says he feels let down

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by his former head coach Shane

Sutton Hoo said the use of this drug

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was unethical. Wiggins did admit

that his completely legal use of the

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drug might have had performance

enhancing benefits.

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The intention, I think that is the

key. Was there a performance

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enhancements? You tell me there was.

There may well have been. But they

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were the rules at the time, and to

treat this problem that is what I

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was prescribed. I can't change the

last five years.

Wiggins went on at

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length to categorically deny he had

100% never cheated throughout his

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career.

And he talked about the

damage to his personal life?

You

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says it has been hellish, really,

really difficult to keep himself

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together. Keeping his counsel for

the duration of this report. All

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this DCMS

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this DCMS hearings in the past 18

months in which his reputation and

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that of British cycling has slowly

been eroded. He says he has found it

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so tough.

The widespread effect of the family

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is horrific, I do not know how I

will put that back together. I don't

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how to deal with that as well as

salvage my reputation. I would not

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wish it upon anyone. I have worked

and have had the passion I have had

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for this sport for 15 or 20 years. I

have been writing a book all morning

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about the love of the sport. To do

that to the sport. It is just

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absurd. It is the worst thing to be

accused of, I have said that before,

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but it is the hardest thing to prove

you have not done. We are not

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dealing in a legal system. I would

have more rights in this process if

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I had murdered somebody.

Much more of that interview,

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gripping at times and fascinating to

hear his defence, with our sports

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editor Dan Roan on the BBC sport

website. The headlines in half an

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hour, a fantastic Manchester United

winger. And a really interesting

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chat with Serena Williams on her

comeback.

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That is after 10am. I have tweeted a

link to the full trumps big -- full

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transcript of Dan Roan's interview

with Bradley Wiggins and I would

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urge you to hear the -- read the

whole thing, I really would.

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Counterfeit Xanax pills laced

with a powerful painkiller have

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become a party drug among

some young people.

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Now Public Health England has told

this programme users

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are dicing with death.

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The drug, also known

by its brand name alprazolam,

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is widely prescribed in the US

to treat anxiety and can be obtained

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on private prescription in the UK.

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But among some teenagers

and young adults in the UK,

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it has become a popular recreational

drug used illegally.

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Our reporter, Noel Phillips,

has been investigating.

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His report contains

scenes of drug taking.

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You can experienced tremors,

cold sweats, sleepless nights

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and it takes a toll on your mental

health, like, extreme anxiety.

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I feel really, like, drowsy.

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I feel, like, a lot like a cloud.

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He was going everyday to get it.

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Every single day, ten tablets.

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It's a tranquilliser,

it's an antidepressant,

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so it's not actually on the market

or out there to make

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people enjoy themselves.

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Typical customer...

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INAUDIBLE.

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Whatever is in the drugs

they buy could change

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from one batch to another.

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It's dicing with death, really.

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In clubs and house parties

across the UK, there are teenagers,

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some as young as 13, getting high

illegally on an anti-anxiety

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prescription drug.

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It's so popular this American rapper

has made a cake out of it.

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We celebrating with a Xan cake!

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Xanax is something you're more

likely to find in a medicine

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cabinet, also known

by its brand name alprazolam,

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the psychiatric drug

which is used to treat

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anxiety caused by insomnia.

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But this medication isn't

curing a mental disorder.

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Instead, young people

are using it to get high.

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This man appears to be

in a zombie-like state

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and is struggling to stay conscious

after taking several pills.

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It's even been glorified

in mainstream music.

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# Pop a couple Xans for somebody.#

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But Xanax is not only being abused.

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If mixed with other

drugs, it can kill.

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November, 2017.

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El Paso.

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I took six Xanax.

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This is Lil Peep.

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A 21-year-old rapper.

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Just hours before he overdosed

on Xanax mixed with fentanyl,

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a painkiller 50 times more

powerful than heroin.

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He was open about his addiction,

posting a series of disturbing

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videos of the very pills that

would later take his life.

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He did it!

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# Xanax all over my dash.#

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19-year-old Kristello

from Birmingham used to take Xanax.

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Just describe that feeling

of when you were using Xanax.

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Where did it take you to?

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Because we hear stories

about people, you know,

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experiencing some kind of a high.

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How did it make you feel?

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The high felt like, you know,

it was very floaty.

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Any worries you had melted

away and you didn't

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have a care in the world.

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You were happy.

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You were on a level

where you weren't afraid

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of anything, really.

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And if you fight the sleep,

if you don't sleep on Xanax,

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the high does get stronger.

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And you feel a lot more warm inside.

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To many people, it is a nice

feeling, but the thing you've got

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to take into account is what happens

after you take Xanax.

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That's where the problems

really, really start.

0:18:280:18:29

Kristello first started

using the tranquilliser

0:18:290:18:31

in 2017 at parties and soon

after experimenting,

0:18:310:18:33

it became a habit.

0:18:330:18:39

# Ghost of me.#

0:18:390:18:40

But he's

now changed his tune.

0:18:400:18:48

He is sharing his story

in the hope that it will

0:18:480:18:52

prevent other young people

who might be misusing the drug.

0:18:520:18:58

Before you stopped using Xanax,

how much were you taking?

0:18:580:19:00

It varied, really.

0:19:000:19:01

When it started to get to,

like, a daily basis,

0:19:010:19:03

it was usually one tablet a night.

0:19:030:19:05

Maybe two.

0:19:050:19:06

Or maybe just a half.

0:19:060:19:07

But one, you know, that's four times

the recommended dose.

0:19:070:19:10

So, when you are self-medicating,

you don't have any knowledge of how

0:19:100:19:13

much you're supposed to take.

0:19:130:19:14

It's just how much you want to feel

away from being sober.

0:19:140:19:17

Why were you doing it?

0:19:170:19:18

I underestimated what it could do.

0:19:180:19:19

I didn't know it was

as addictive as it could be.

0:19:190:19:22

So when it did take a hold

of me, it was a surprise.

0:19:220:19:27

You know, in hindsight, how quick...

0:19:270:19:32

It kind of came on.

0:19:320:19:33

And that's why the authorities

are sounding the alarm.

0:19:330:19:36

Referred to as its street name,

Xan or Xanny, there are no figures

0:19:360:19:39

available to know how widespread

the use of Xanax is that

0:19:390:19:42

in England and Scotland,

the drug has been linked

0:19:420:19:44

to a number of deaths.

0:19:440:19:46

There was no chance

of saving Scott that night.

0:19:460:19:48

I dream of him, but he can't

come back, can he?

0:19:480:19:52

You know, all the tears

in the world, do I blame myself?

0:19:520:19:58

Because maybe I should have...

0:19:580:20:05

You know, I wasn't strict

with them growing up.

0:20:050:20:07

I wasn't, because Richard

was always in prison.

0:20:070:20:09

Anne McDermott believes

Xanax played a role

0:20:090:20:11

in the death of her son,

Scott.

0:20:110:20:12

She says the pills he took may

have been a counterfeit.

0:20:120:20:18

Up until he was taking Xanax,

Scott had had problems

0:20:180:20:21

with drugs for 17 years.

0:20:210:20:22

There was no overdoses,

there was no admissions to hospital.

0:20:220:20:25

There was nothing like that.

0:20:250:20:30

When he took Xanax,

the first time he took it,

0:20:300:20:32

he was completely out of it.

0:20:320:20:35

He went back the next day,

the next day and the next day.

0:20:350:20:38

And that's what happened.

0:20:380:20:41

It was an extremely

powerful, potent drug.

0:20:410:20:48

That will cause many more deaths

in Edinburgh, as all over.

0:20:480:20:52

But Scott's dependency to heroin

was the start of a life

0:20:520:20:54

blighted by addiction.

0:20:540:21:02

Anne says before he was found

unconscious at his home,

0:21:020:21:05

he was hooked on Xanax.

0:21:050:21:06

He was going every day to get it.

0:21:060:21:08

Every single day.

0:21:080:21:09

Ten tablets.

0:21:090:21:10

Its early evening in Birmingham

and I've arranged to meet

0:21:100:21:12

an 18-year-old who goes by the name

Stephen.

0:21:120:21:14

He's a former dealer

who used to sell Xanax

0:21:140:21:17

on the streets of the West Midlands.

0:21:170:21:25

Say I was selling ten Xanax,

I would say do

0:21:310:21:33

two at a time maximum.

0:21:330:21:35

Sometimes people would take too many

and I would hear them doing

0:21:350:21:38

EXPLETIVE

things.

0:21:380:21:39

Getting themselves into trouble.

0:21:390:21:40

But it wasn't on my mind.

0:21:400:21:41

I've sold it.

0:21:410:21:42

If they want to do something

stupid, get caught up

0:21:420:21:44

in the moment, that is

their responsibility.

0:21:440:21:46

It's a shame but that's

not on my mind.

0:21:460:21:48

A chilling glimpse into

a world where the lives

0:21:480:21:50

of users are at the hands

of their dealers.

0:21:500:21:53

Who is your typical customer?

0:21:530:21:54

Typical customers,

the people my own age.

0:21:540:21:57

I'm talking mature people

in year 11,

0:21:570:21:59

in high school.

0:21:590:22:00

College students and

university students.

0:22:000:22:02

You know, they take

Xanax, you know, for the

0:22:020:22:05

weekends, to go clubbing.

0:22:050:22:09

But I also have customers

in their 40s, in

0:22:090:22:12

their 60s, for some reason,

still getting high.

0:22:120:22:14

So, why are so many young people up

and down the country

0:22:140:22:17

taking a drug which has been

described as a zombie pill?

0:22:170:22:22

I've been invited to

a flat just outside

0:22:220:22:24

Birmingham in Dudley by a group

of young people to find out.

0:22:240:22:31

The venue is an ideal den

for these teenagers -

0:22:310:22:33

the ultimate consumers.

0:22:330:22:36

They've asked for their

faces not to be shown

0:22:360:22:43

but allowed our cameras into

the party as they got high on the

0:22:430:22:46

illegal drug.

0:22:460:22:47

If you're wanting to experience

the height of Xanax, then

0:22:470:22:50

the best thing...

0:22:500:22:51

You should try and stay awake

because it can send you

0:22:510:22:53

very sleepy and very drowsy.

0:22:530:22:55

It does make it feel

very comfortable.

0:22:550:22:56

No matter what...

0:22:560:22:58

Like, if I were sitting

like this, I could fall

0:22:580:23:02

asleep, lie back like this and it

would just feel comfortable.

0:23:020:23:04

I wouldn't feel any

strain on my neck.

0:23:040:23:06

The best way to describe it is that

you feel like a marshmallow.

0:23:060:23:09

Jordan and Kiernan,

which are not their

0:23:090:23:11

real names, both 18.

0:23:110:23:15

They say they've

unintentionally taken

0:23:150:23:17

counterfeit Xanax,

spiked with fentanyl.

0:23:170:23:18

And getting hold of the drug

tonight was not hard.

0:23:180:23:20

Can you show us what you bought?

0:23:200:23:22

Yes.

0:23:220:23:23

Two Xanax.

0:23:230:23:24

How much have you spent?

0:23:240:23:25

I've spent £5 for this.

0:23:250:23:27

How long have you been using?

0:23:270:23:28

I'd say for about nine months.

0:23:280:23:32

How often do you use?

0:23:320:23:37

Probably once every two

or three weeks I would say.

0:23:370:23:40

Would you describe

yourself as an addict?

0:23:400:23:43

No, not at all.

0:23:430:23:44

But you are dependent?

0:23:440:23:46

Not really.

0:23:460:23:49

Xans are the best things to use.

0:23:490:23:53

If you're using other drugs

and you feel really

0:23:530:23:55

uncomfortable afterwards...

0:23:550:23:57

Because of the come-down effects

of other drugs can be quite,

0:23:570:23:59

like, powerful on your body.

0:23:590:24:02

Taking a Xanax really

helps to, like, stop

0:24:020:24:06

that feeling and make you feel

comfortable with yourself.

0:24:060:24:09

On an average night,

Jordan and Kieran say they take

0:24:090:24:12

up to two Xanax bars.

0:24:120:24:16

Xanax washed down with alcohol.

0:24:160:24:19

A lethal combination.

0:24:190:24:21

At best, users only have a vague

idea of what's in their drugs.

0:24:210:24:29

But the authorities are now

acknowledging the scope

0:24:350:24:37

and severity of this problem.

0:24:370:24:40

We've been told by Pfizer,

the company that produces Xanax,

0:24:400:24:42

that over 96 of the pills they've

analysed in their counterfeit labs

0:24:420:24:46

have turned out to be fake.

0:24:460:24:50

How big a problem is

Xanax at the moment?

0:24:500:24:55

It is a real and immediate concern

amongst the groups of young people

0:24:550:24:58

with whom it seems to be

a drug of choice.

0:24:580:25:01

And, of course, people buy

things from the internet.

0:25:010:25:07

They have no guarantee

of what they're getting.

0:25:070:25:14

Whatever is in the drugs

that they buy could change

0:25:140:25:19

from one batch to another.

0:25:190:25:21

So it's dicing with death, really.

0:25:210:25:23

Because these things

are very dangerous.

0:25:230:25:28

And one of the drugs causing

concern is fentanyl,

0:25:280:25:31

a powerful painkiller

which is usually prescribed

0:25:310:25:32

to cancer patients.

0:25:320:25:38

The National Crime Agency says 113

people have died having used it

0:25:380:25:41

in the last 12 months.

0:25:410:25:42

The great disaster is that

when these tablets are supplied

0:25:420:25:49

between friends and one friend gives

it to one friend without realising.

0:25:490:25:57

And they kill a friend without

realising because they've sold them

0:26:000:26:03

something that they didn't think it

was.

0:26:030:26:09

Until last year, Tony

was the most senior anti-drug

0:26:090:26:11

detective in the country.

0:26:110:26:12

He saw first hand how fentanyl

was a favourite of addicts.

0:26:120:26:14

This type of tablet is the type

of tablet that I would expect

0:26:140:26:18

criminals to use, substances

like fentanyl, to

0:26:180:26:19

create a counterfeit.

0:26:190:26:20

The danger we've got here is that

young people who are used to taking

0:26:200:26:24

drugs or young people that

are new to taking drugs, who think

0:26:240:26:27

they know what they're doing...

0:26:270:26:28

It's now 20 minutes since Jordan

and Kieran each took a Xanax pill

0:26:280:26:31

and the after effects couldn't

be more apparent.

0:26:310:26:33

But I feel really, like, drowsy.

0:26:330:26:36

I feel, kind of, like,

I feel a lot like cloud.

0:26:360:26:39

I don't know, I just feel

comfortable, really.

0:26:390:26:42

I'm feeling fine, honestly,

I'm feeling fine.

0:26:420:26:48

I'm just...

0:26:480:26:49

relaxed.

0:26:490:26:51

The drug only lasts

12 hours in total.

0:26:510:26:53

Say, when I fall asleep,

I'm going to have a really,

0:26:530:26:55

really comfortable sleep.

0:26:550:26:57

You're exposing yourself

to all sorts of potential

0:26:570:26:59

risks by using Xanax.

0:26:590:27:00

Yeah.

0:27:000:27:01

You're aware of that, aren't you?

0:27:010:27:04

We are 100% aware of the risks,

they can be a factor.

0:27:040:27:07

But we are level-headed about it.

0:27:070:27:09

We wouldn't go over

the limits that we take.

0:27:090:27:15

But that doesn't

make it OK, does it?

0:27:150:27:17

It doesn't make it OK,

but it's just fun for us.

0:27:170:27:23

I understand why

people don't like it.

0:27:230:27:24

I just don't really care.

0:27:240:27:31

What I've seen here shows pretty

convincingly the challenges

0:27:310:27:33

the authorities are up

against in tackling

0:27:330:27:35

the misuse of Xanax.

0:27:350:27:38

Say I was to take a Xan today,

I wouldn't feel like I needed

0:27:380:27:41

to take another one.

0:27:410:27:42

I wouldn't go out of my

way to go and get it.

0:27:420:27:45

Like, it would just be a case of,

like, when it's next round.

0:27:450:27:48

That's when I will maybe do it.

0:27:480:27:51

# Flashing lights, my stage

is bright #

0:27:510:27:52

When Kristello first

started misusing Xanax,

0:27:520:27:54

he wasn't aware of the devastating

impact it would have on his life.

0:27:540:28:01

Now, unlike other musicians, he's

sending a message about its dangers.

0:28:010:28:06

You can experience tremors,

cold sweats, sleepless nights and it

0:28:060:28:08

takes a toll on your mental

health, as well.

0:28:080:28:11

Like, extreme anxiety and paranoia.

0:28:110:28:13

You can experience

blackouts with memory loss.

0:28:130:28:15

Your long-term memory can

be affected as well,

0:28:150:28:18

your memory and your timeline

will just be blank because you don't

0:28:180:28:21

remember anything from Xanax.

0:28:210:28:29

If you use or have used Xanax,

or a family member of yours has,

0:28:370:28:43

please do get in touch and tell

us your experience.

0:28:430:28:49

We appreciate that means you have

used it illegally. You can remain

0:28:500:28:58

anonymous. It is about getting an

insight into why you are using this

0:28:580:29:01

drug.

0:29:010:29:03

If you want help or advice

about some of the issues

0:29:030:29:06

raised in this item,

please go to bbc.co.uk/actionline.

0:29:060:29:08

Still to come...

0:29:080:29:09

Health officials are telling

us to go on a diet.

0:29:090:29:12

Apparently

we should all eat 400 calories a day

0:29:120:29:14

for breakfast and 600

at lunch and dinner -

0:29:140:29:16

we'll get reaction from health

experts.

0:29:160:29:18

And an in-depth interview

with tennis legend Serena Williams

0:29:180:29:24

on her campaign to reform gun laws

in the States, equal

0:29:240:29:27

pay and how she's being

inspired by her daughter.

0:29:270:29:35

Time for the latest news.

0:29:370:29:38

The BBC News headlines

this morning...

0:29:380:29:41

Police say they are keeping an open

mind about how and why a former

0:29:410:29:44

Russian double agent became

critically ill after apparently

0:29:440:29:46

coming into contact

with an unidentified substance.

0:29:460:29:53

Sergei Skripal, and a woman found

with him, are being treated

0:29:530:29:54

in hospital in Salisbury.

0:29:540:29:56

Sergei Skripal was given refuge

in Britain eight years ago

0:29:560:29:59

after being involved in a spy swap.

0:29:590:30:03

In Syria, the first aid

convoy for three weeks

0:30:030:30:05

has delivered supplies

to the rebel-held

0:30:050:30:07

territory Eastern Ghouta.

0:30:070:30:10

But aid workers were forced

to cut the mission short

0:30:100:30:12

after dozens of people were killed

by shelling from

0:30:120:30:15

pro-government forces.

0:30:150:30:17

Nearly 400,000 people

are thought to be trapped

0:30:170:30:19

in the enclave which has been

the focus of heavy

0:30:190:30:22

fighting in recent months.

0:30:220:30:25

Water companies have been working

through the night to restore

0:30:290:30:32

supplies to thousands of homes

across south-east England affected

0:30:320:30:35

by burst pipes after last week's

cold weather.

0:30:350:30:38

Yesterday London MPs called for an

inquiry into why 25,000 people had

0:30:380:30:42

water supplies cut off over the

weekend, and production at two

0:30:420:30:47

Jaguar Land Rover plans had to be

halted to allow water to be

0:30:470:30:51

prioritised by emergency services in

hospitals.

0:30:510:30:55

Public Health England has asked food

manufacturers and retailers to

0:30:550:30:58

reduce the number of calories by a

fifth. It wants the whole industry,

0:30:580:31:03

from processors to restaurants, to

achieve that by 2024.

0:31:030:31:10

Former BBC breakfast presenter Bill

Turnbull has announced he has been

0:31:100:31:13

diagnosed with prostate and bone

cancel. A 62 Which? Classic FM host

0:31:130:31:19

told the region Times magazine he

was diagnosed after the end -- the

0:31:190:31:22

end of last year after blaming

long-term aches and pains on old

0:31:220:31:26

age. He is encouraging other people

to get tested.

0:31:260:31:28

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

0:31:280:31:30

Here's some sport now.

0:31:300:31:33

Olly Foster is back. Sir Bradley

Wiggins says he is the victim of a

0:31:330:31:39

smear campaign after a DCMS report

claimed he and Team Sky crossed an

0:31:390:31:44

ethical line in the use of

prescribed drugs that may have also

0:31:440:31:47

enhance performance. Wiggins says he

has 100% never cheated on his

0:31:470:31:51

career.

From 2-0 down, Nemanja Matic scored

0:31:510:31:57

an injury time wonder goal as

Manchester United beat Crystal

0:31:570:32:00

Palace 3-2.

They are second in the table. 14

0:32:000:32:04

months after her last match and six

months after giving birth, the 23

0:32:040:32:09

time Grand Slam singles winner

Serena Williams makes her comeback

0:32:090:32:12

on the women's tour this week.

I will have a full update after

0:32:120:32:18

10am.

Welcome to the programme, good

0:32:180:32:20

morning.

0:32:200:32:21

Police are trying to identify

a substance which caused

0:32:210:32:23

a former Russian agent,

who allegedly spied for Britain,

0:32:230:32:25

to collapse in Wiltshire.

0:32:250:32:26

Sergei Skripal, who is 66,

0:32:260:32:27

and a woman in her 30s

were found slumped on a bench

0:32:270:32:30

in Salisbury on Sunday and are now

critically ill in hospital.

0:32:300:32:33

He was convicted in 2006 of passing

state secrets to MI6,

0:32:330:32:37

Britain's foreign intelligence

service, but he was later

0:32:370:32:42

given refuge in the UK

as part of a prisoner swap.

0:32:420:32:45

Freya Church witnessed

the couple looking unwell.

0:32:450:32:53

I had just finished training at my

job, I walked up this past year on

0:32:570:33:03

the right-hand side, on the bench,

there was a couple. An older guy and

0:33:030:33:07

a younger girl. She was sort of

leaning in on him, it looked like

0:33:070:33:11

she had maybe passed out. He was

doing strange hand movements,

0:33:110:33:15

looking up to the sky. I felt

anxious, like I should step in, but

0:33:150:33:20

to be honest they look so out of it

I was not sure how I could help even

0:33:200:33:24

if I did step in.

0:33:240:33:26

We do not know as yet

what caused Sergei Skripal

0:33:260:33:28

to collapse on that bench

in Salisbury, but the parallels with

0:33:280:33:31

what happened to another Russian,

Alexander Litvinenko,

0:33:310:33:33

rang immediate alarm bells.

0:33:330:33:34

He was killed in 2006

after being poisoned

0:33:340:33:36

by tea which was laced with polonium

210 in a hotel in Mayfair.

0:33:360:33:44

We can speak to Sir Tony Brenton.

0:33:500:33:52

He was the UK's ambassador

to Russia until 2008.

0:33:520:33:56

During that period Alexander

Litvinenko was fatally poisoned.

0:33:560:33:59

What do you think the parallels

between the Litvinenko assassination

0:33:590:34:03

and what we know so far regarding

Sergei Skripal?

There are obvious

0:34:030:34:10

parallels but there are obvious

differences. Litvinenko and script

0:34:100:34:15

were both Russian intelligence

agents at some point in their

0:34:150:34:21

careers. --

0:34:210:34:26

careers. -- Litvinenko and Skripal.

Litvinenko is dead because of

0:34:260:34:29

polonium, we do not know what

Skripal has taken or been given. But

0:34:290:34:33

the differences, Litvinenko fled

Russia and was... I don't know being

0:34:330:34:41

pursued but had left a lot of

bitterness because he had written a

0:34:410:34:44

book attacking the Russian

government for blowing up lots of

0:34:440:34:48

Russian citizens. Skripal was

released by the Russians and was

0:34:480:34:52

pardoned by the Russian president,

Medvedev, at the time. So we should

0:34:520:34:57

not draw any swift conclusions,

particularly since we do not yet

0:34:570:35:00

know it was unfair play with

Skripal, but we should be looking

0:35:000:35:06

carefully at it.

We do not know if

it is foul play. If that ends up

0:35:060:35:15

being the conclusion, what could the

UK do, if anything?

It will be very

0:35:150:35:21

difficult. At the time of the

Litvinenko affair, relations were

0:35:210:35:25

reasonably good with Russia and

there were actions we could take

0:35:250:35:28

which we knew her to the Russians.

We took a bit of time, accumulated

0:35:280:35:33

evidence, got it very clear that we

knew who had done it and we had a

0:35:330:35:37

case against him and we pressed for

his extradition, and when they

0:35:370:35:42

refused to extradite we imposed

sanctions in the Russian

0:35:420:35:48

intelligence agencies and Russia

more generally, we threw out some

0:35:480:35:50

diplomats, we made it harder for

Russian officials who might have

0:35:500:35:54

been involved in this sort of thing

to get into the UK. We know the

0:35:540:35:57

Russians resented those actions.

Relations with Russia have got much

0:35:570:36:01

worse since then, there are other

sanctions on Russia at the moment.

0:36:010:36:06

Contact artificial ministerial level

are very intermittent. It is really

0:36:060:36:10

quite hard to see what we can do to

intensify pressure on Russia, which

0:36:100:36:14

is part of the general problem. We

have opposed all be sanctions, the

0:36:140:36:18

West as a whole. The Russians'

response if anything has been to

0:36:180:36:24

toughen their response. They see us

as trying to diminish and you

0:36:240:36:28

mediate them and threatening their

national security. Things have gone

0:36:280:36:31

from bad to worse. A very low point,

whatever we conclude whether

0:36:310:36:36

Skripal, being when Putin

demonstrated a load of nuclear

0:36:360:36:39

weapons last week which they may or

might not have but are developing

0:36:390:36:43

and emphasised his willingness to

use them when necessary. It seems to

0:36:430:36:47

me we need to find their way back

from the brink we are at now of

0:36:470:36:51

getting back to a serious old Cold

War type of nuclear confrontation.

0:36:510:36:56

You think we are on the brink of

that?

0:36:560:36:59

I lecture a bit here at Cambridge,

five years ago I used to say to my

0:36:590:37:07

students the world we're handing on

to you is not perfect but at least

0:37:070:37:10

we have removed the shadow of mutual

nuclear annihilation from the

0:37:100:37:13

threats facing you and your

children. I can no longer say that.

0:37:130:37:16

There has been a very major

deterioration in the quality of the

0:37:160:37:19

world we are passing on and it seems

to me there is a duty on our

0:37:190:37:22

generation to do what we can to fix

that deterioration.

0:37:220:37:27

Stay with us, said Tony Brenton, I

will also bring in Yuri Felshtinsky,

0:37:270:37:34

an historian who was a friend of

Alexander Litvinenko. He joins us

0:37:340:37:38

from Paris. I am going to ask you

about what

0:37:380:37:47

about what search Tony Brenton has

just said. But as a friend of

0:37:480:37:51

Alexander Litvinenko, what did you

think when you heard of the collapse

0:37:510:37:53

of Sergei Skripal?

Unfortunately

these types of murders are attempted

0:37:530:38:00

murders sent... Tend to be an Austin

event. Alexander Litvinenko was the

0:38:000:38:07

first one, and it was majorly. ...

Documented. There was a businessman

0:38:070:38:13

poisoned in London, there were

people who died... There were also

0:38:130:38:25

people poisoned in Russia as well.

This is not the first case at all.

0:38:250:38:30

This is not unusual. I think the

change which initially

0:38:300:38:43

took place when the group was

exchanged for Russian sleepers in

0:38:450:38:49

the US (INAUDIBLE)

. Never change a Russian spy for

0:38:490:38:58

spies abroad, they exchanged foreign

spies but not Russian. Because of

0:38:580:39:03

this they probably wanted to send

Russian spies back to Russia. But

0:39:030:39:10

deep inside they knew they would use

the opportunity (INAUDIBLE)

0:39:100:39:17

. What I think they did.

Sorry to

interrupt, it is quite difficult to

0:39:170:39:28

hear, serve. I apologise to the

audience.

I am sorry.

Don't worry, I

0:39:280:39:35

will try to make the line clearer.

The images we were showing when you

0:39:350:39:39

spoke well of your friends Alexander

Litvinenko in hospital, an image he

0:39:390:39:43

approved the release of two show

what had happened to him.

0:39:430:39:52

I will bring in Keir Giles,

who is an expert on Russia

0:39:520:39:54

at the international

0:39:540:39:55

affairs think tank, Chatham House.

0:39:550:39:57

Let me ask you about the Russian

former agent fighting for life in a

0:39:570:40:01

British hospital, Sergei Skripal.

What can you say about him?

He was

0:40:010:40:05

convicted of espionage on behalf of

the UK and sentenced to 13 years

0:40:050:40:10

imprisonment in Russia, then

exchanged as part of the spy swap

0:40:100:40:13

you have just heard about in 2010.

Since then he has lived apparently

0:40:130:40:18

very low profile life, he has not

been a prominent critic of Russia.

0:40:180:40:21

He is not the only individual that

has arrived in the UK as part of

0:40:210:40:26

that spy swap. Really nobody had

heard of him since the swap until a

0:40:260:40:30

couple of days ago. But at Yuri

Felshtinsky just told you, this is

0:40:300:40:36

not an isolated incident, it is part

of an extended pattern of people who

0:40:360:40:40

have embarrassed the Russian state

or costed leadership money dying in

0:40:400:40:45

suspicious circumstances.

As you

pointed out, not a prominent critic,

0:40:450:40:49

pardoned by Putin but embarrassing

Putin would potentially be enough to

0:40:490:40:54

be assassinated on foreign soil?

This is not an instance where

0:40:540:40:58

embarrassment would be the prime

motivation for a revenge attack, but

0:40:580:41:04

he was pardoned by President

Medvedev, not Putin. That makes a

0:41:040:41:10

difference. Given that legal

decisions in cases like that are

0:41:100:41:15

really of little significance in

Russia, let's not forget we should

0:41:150:41:18

not necessarily assume he was

actually spying for British

0:41:180:41:21

intelligence coming he was merely

convicted of it, this really carries

0:41:210:41:24

very little weight when weighed

against long-standing Russian

0:41:240:41:29

practice of how they deal with, as

they put it, traitors.

If you speak

0:41:290:41:37

against your homeland then you risk

death?

Acting against the homeland

0:41:370:41:41

rather than speaking. They are

reported to have passed over detail

0:41:410:41:51

of Russian intelligence operation

through the West to British

0:41:510:41:54

intelligence, meaningless operatives

were seized. He was a career army

0:41:540:41:58

officer and is meant to have

supplied information on specific

0:41:580:42:02

military units to British

intelligence. All of those was con

0:42:020:42:06

-- would constitute grounds in the

Russian sense of a revenge attack

0:42:060:42:10

regardless of the legal status.

Let's try Yuri 's line in Paris

0:42:100:42:17

again, if we may. How do you think

Britain is handling Russia, broadly

0:42:170:42:22

speaking, at the moment?

We know it

is very difficult. We know it took

0:42:220:42:34

several years to officially come to

the conclusion that the Russian

0:42:340:42:40

government was behind it. But in

that time Russia invaded Georgia,

0:42:400:42:46

Russia invaded Ukraine, Russia

interfered with

0:42:460:42:54

interfered with elections

(INAUDIBLE)

0:42:540:42:55

Terrible speech in which Putin was

blackmailing the whole world with

0:42:550:43:03

nuclear. It is very difficult to

deal with Russia now, to argue with

0:43:030:43:07

Russia now, to react to what Russia

is doing. They are able to commit

0:43:070:43:17

crimes without punishment.

(INAUDIBLE)

0:43:170:43:22

.

0:43:220:43:27

. Attempted murder to defectors, who

they considered to be enemies of the

0:43:280:43:31

state. I am afraid there is not much

we can do.

Nothing much we can do.

0:43:310:43:37

Thank you all very much. More on

that story through the day on BBC

0:43:370:43:41

News.

0:43:410:43:44

Coming up...

0:43:440:43:49

People taking the anti-anxiety drug

Xanax illegally are dicing with

0:43:490:43:52

death. That is our top story.

0:43:520:43:54

We'll be hearing from

a mother whose son died

0:43:540:43:56

after overdoing on the drug

Xanax in January.

0:43:560:43:58

If you have taken Xanax as a

recreational drug, get in touch and

0:43:580:44:02

let us know your experience. It is

absolutely fine to message is

0:44:020:44:07

anonymously, of course.

0:44:070:44:08

The portion sizes of some

of Britain's most popular

0:44:080:44:10

foods are to be cut,

with health officials telling us

0:44:100:44:13

it's time to get on a diet.

0:44:130:44:14

Public Health England is targeting

pizzas, ready meals,

0:44:140:44:16

processed meat and takeaways

in a new obesity drive.

0:44:160:44:19

The government agency has also urged

the food industry to start

0:44:190:44:21

using healthier ingredients

and is encouraging us all to opt

0:44:210:44:24

for lower calorie foods,

saying we should eat 400 calories

0:44:240:44:26

at breakfast and 600

at lunch and dinner.

0:44:260:44:28

It is all part of a drive to cut

calorie consumption by 20% by 2024.

0:44:280:44:36

With us now is Kawther Hashem.

She's a nutritionist

0:44:400:44:42

for Action on Sugar

at Queen Mary University of London.

0:44:420:44:48

Julie Clarke, who is also

a nutritionist who helps

0:44:480:44:50

families eat healthier.

0:44:500:44:51

And Ciara Attwell, founder

of the blog My Fussy Eater,

0:44:510:44:53

which was set up to encourage her

children to eat more a varied diet.

0:44:530:45:01

400 calories at breakfast... Looks

like this. Porridge, blueberries, if

0:45:060:45:12

you're still feeling hungry, you can

have a banana. I did including my

0:45:120:45:17

calculations a cup of tea or coffee

with milk and I think this is a

0:45:170:45:21

fairly decent amount of calories and

it is quite filling breakfast.

0:45:210:45:27

Filling for who? Filling for a

0:45:270:45:29

ten-year-old but not for a grown

man, potentially?

This is the kind

0:45:290:45:33

of cup you would get from most

outlets, it might look a bit small

0:45:330:45:37

because of the poll, but this is

about 400 calories, it is what you

0:45:370:45:42

would typically get if you are

buying a pot of porridge in the

0:45:420:45:46

supermarket -- because of the

0:45:460:45:52

supermarket -- because of the bowl.

You can make it with milk and it

0:45:520:45:55

would still be under 400 calories.

No toast

0:45:550:46:02

No toast ...

Croissant would take

you close to the 400 calories.

Is

0:46:030:46:13

porridge a carbohydrate?

Yes, it has

carbohydrates, but it is fibre.

0:46:130:46:16

Lunch?

This is dinner, actually.

These are savoury cheese and spinach

0:46:160:46:27

muffins, a basic muffin recipe but

made savoury so it has vegetables,

0:46:270:46:31

cheese, and on the side, lots of

fruit and veg, so you get part of

0:46:310:46:37

your five day, another bit of

cheese, you can use protein like

0:46:370:46:43

chicken, maybe chickpeas. And cookie

is treat.

That looks very dead

0:46:430:46:51

interesting and potentially very

tasty but not very much of it, 600

0:46:510:46:54

calories -- that looks very tasty.

For a child, two is enough, for an

0:46:540:47:07

adult...

This is a chicken results

so, leftover chicken from a roast

0:47:070:47:15

dinner -- chicken risotto. As a

side, a salad, extra vegetables, to

0:47:150:47:20

make it up to 600 calories. That is

the portion size you are looking at.

0:47:200:47:25

And no pudding?

No pudding in the

600, I'm afraid.

Public Health

0:47:250:47:32

England say we underestimate the

calories we eat.

People associate

0:47:320:47:39

some foods...

We underestimate

commie should have corrected me! We

0:47:390:47:45

eat way more than we think we do.

Definitely. Because foods we know

0:47:450:47:51

are particularly unhealthy, we will

say, I had a slice of cake, you had

0:47:510:47:59

a biscuit, but you will say you did

not have as many biscuits as you

0:47:590:48:04

actually did have, so people

generally underestimate foods they

0:48:040:48:08

associate with being particularly

unhealthy.

The report is really

0:48:080:48:14

shocking, obesity is the norm, it

suggests, in this country. It also

0:48:140:48:17

says in

0:48:170:48:22

says in quite clear terms, we need

0:48:270:49:13

What will happen to you if you eat

too much healthy food? If you don't

0:49:310:49:39

do any exercise...?

You will have to

store it as fat in your body.

Lots

0:49:390:49:44

of work to do.

0:49:440:49:55

Serena Williams is about to take to

the court again for her first

0:49:550:49:59

singles tournament since giving

birth to her daughter Alexis Olympia

0:49:590:50:03

six months ago. She says motherhood

will only make her a better player

0:50:030:50:07

as she attempts to overtake Margaret

Court in winning the most Grand Slam

0:50:070:50:12

singles titles ever. 24. In a

wide-ranging interview talking about

0:50:120:50:17

equal pay, her charitable work and,

of course, her baby daughter, she

0:50:170:50:22

has spoken exclusively to the BBC.

0:50:220:50:26

Very good to see you back on tour

and playing here in New York. What

0:50:260:50:32

do you make of this Tie Break Tens

format and the potential for it in

0:50:320:50:37

the future of tennis?

I think it is

a really great for much, really fun,

0:50:370:50:42

fast, exciting, boom, boom, boom,

you can get a lot of different

0:50:420:50:47

players in it, lots of people

involved. You have more than just

0:50:470:50:53

one hour and a half of one two our

much.

0:50:530:51:04

much.

Getting yourself back into the

shape you have been into complete

0:51:040:51:08

until once again, it is hard to

imagine what you must have been

0:51:080:51:11

through. How brutal has it been to

try to regain full fitness after

0:51:110:51:15

such a combo gated birth?

It has

been hard. There have been so many

0:51:150:51:20

days, even still when I am like how

my going to keep going.

-- after

0:51:200:51:25

such a complicated birth.

It has

been really difficult but I keep

0:51:250:51:29

going, I might not be at my best yet

but I am getting there. Every day is

0:51:290:51:36

a new day and every day I should be

getting better. As long as I am

0:51:360:51:40

moving forward, even if it is at a

total's pace, I am OK.

Do you

0:51:400:51:46

genuinely feel ready?

If

0:51:460:51:54

genuinely feel ready?

If I am

0:51:540:52:04

Scheduling can be an issue at times.

Women often put on first thing in

0:53:320:53:39

the morning when fewer people are

inside the stadium?

Outside of some

0:53:390:53:44

marquee players but it is just a

handful, the women's matches are at

0:53:440:53:50

this time and the men's at the more

marquee tents.

Would that be a

0:53:500:53:56

member to Wimbledon? They normally

schedule two men's matches to one

0:53:560:54:03

women's.

I felt they put two women

on last year. I think they are

0:54:030:54:09

getting better at that but I

definitely applaud them. There is a

0:54:090:54:13

lot of progress.

One of the other

issues you have commented on, and

0:54:130:54:19

you wrote a very eloquently about

this in your CNN article, is the

0:54:190:54:24

fact that there are black mothers in

the United States who you say are

0:54:240:54:28

three times more likely to die in

pregnancy or childbirth, it is a big

0:54:280:54:32

issue in the developing world, as

you know in your role as a Unicef

0:54:320:54:35

Goodwill Ambassador. Why do you

think that is?

0:54:350:54:43

Doctors are not listening to us. I

was an unfortunate situation where I

0:54:430:54:47

know my body well, and I am who I

am, and I told the doctor, something

0:54:470:54:53

is wrong. She immediately listened,

she was great. I had a wonderful

0:54:530:54:59

doctor. Unfortunately, a lot of

African-Americans and black people,

0:54:590:55:04

not just African-Americans, and

minorities as well, they do not have

0:55:040:55:09

that same experience that I have

had, so it has been really educating

0:55:090:55:13

to me to learn that we are dying

three times more likely, and also,

0:55:130:55:18

there are some things we are

genetically predisposed to that some

0:55:180:55:23

people are not. So knowing that

going in, some doctors not caring as

0:55:230:55:32

much for us, it is heartbreaking.

Because of what I went through, it

0:55:320:55:44

would be difficult if I did not have

the health care I had to imagine all

0:55:440:55:48

the women who go through that

without the same health care and

0:55:480:55:51

without the same respondents, it is

upsetting. A strong element of

0:55:510:55:58

prejudice involved, do you think?

Does it boiled down to who has the

0:55:580:56:02

health insurance?

I don't know.

There is a lot of prejudging, that

0:56:020:56:06

definitely goes on. It needs to be

addressed.

There are so many issues

0:56:060:56:14

to address. As you are only too well

aware, the gender pay gap,

0:56:140:56:20

diversity, sexual harassment, I do

not know if you saw Francis

0:56:200:56:24

McDormand receive her best Oscar

actress the other day, she received

0:56:240:56:28

the award, she put down the Oscar,

she directly addressed the Hollywood

0:56:280:56:34

executives in the audience,

addressed some of the issues. Is

0:56:340:56:38

that is what is required from sports

stars and musicians and actors, time

0:56:380:56:42

to get a bit feisty and to really

take the fight to another level?

I

0:56:420:56:47

can't say that it is not time to get

feisty. Maybe it is. You have to

0:56:470:56:53

stand up. I heard someone say have

conversations that are not

0:56:530:56:59

comfortable, be comfortable with

having uncomfortable conversations.

0:56:590:57:01

We deserve to be paid what a guy

does, we deserve to be treated

0:57:010:57:08

fairly, the same way. Conversations

in 2018 we should not have to have.

0:57:080:57:13

It is important to have that and

important to speak up loud and clear

0:57:130:57:17

and say, this is not right. Treat me

the same way that you were

0:57:170:57:24

treating... How will I explain to my

son he is getting more? How will I

0:57:240:57:28

explain to my daughter she is

getting less than my son? It

0:57:280:57:31

possible to explain this.

Your fund

is about two things, equality in

0:57:310:57:39

education and helping the victims of

what you describe a senseless

0:57:390:57:43

violence which unfortunately you

have to much experience.

My fund is

0:57:430:57:48

about equality in education and the

way it is about helping bring

0:57:480:57:56

resources to those who have had to

deal with senseless violence, which,

0:57:560:58:00

like you said, I have had to

experience through the death of my

0:58:000:58:04

sister. I want to bring awareness to

that. Another cause really near and

0:58:040:58:09

dear to me, raising awareness for

women to Unicef, for mums going

0:58:090:58:16

through pregnancy and Third World

countries and African-Americans and

0:58:160:58:22

minorities and having a better

experience throughout the whole

0:58:220:58:25

pregnancy.

And what can you do

actively for the victims of

0:58:250:58:30

violence? Do you campaign in your

own way?

We keep raising money. We

0:58:300:58:36

are trying, everyone is trying,

speaking up on it now, teenagers,

0:58:360:58:41

that has been great, we keep raising

awareness and money. It has affected

0:58:410:58:46

me personally so it has been really

trying.

Final question, strong

0:58:460:58:50

connection with Africa, for many

reasons, your fund being one of

0:58:500:58:57

them, tennis in Africa is not a huge

sport. It seems to me a double -- a

0:58:570:59:05

WTA event in Africa would be that is

it something you have thought about?

0:59:050:59:10

I would like to keep thinking about

it. I am glad you brought it up. I

0:59:100:59:15

think it would be amazing. So fun.

To go down, and the awareness and

0:59:150:59:21

the athletes and the amazing players

that would come out of Africa, it

0:59:210:59:25

would be unbelievable.

Great to talk

to you. We wish you the best of luck

0:59:250:59:29

for your comeback in Indian Wells.

Thank you.

Serena Williams talking

0:59:290:59:37

to our tennis correspondent. Very

good he is but it too. Now the

0:59:370:59:40

weather.

0:59:400:59:45

We have a band of rain, sleet and

snow pushing north, eventually

0:59:450:59:49

becoming confined to the far north

of Scotland. Further south, sunshine

0:59:490:59:52

and showers. The latest snow and

radar picture, that shows exactly

0:59:520:59:57

where we have the sleet and snow,

especially across the hills, some to

0:59:571:00:01

lower levels across Scotland. It

will continue to migrate north, cold

1:00:011:00:06

wind blowing at around, brightening

up. In Scotland and northern

1:00:061:00:09

England. Northern Ireland, fairly

cloudy day with rain and drizzle.

1:00:091:00:13

England and Wales,

1:00:131:00:19

England and Wales, some bright

spots, even sunny spells, but also

1:00:191:00:21

showers and some could be heavy.

Quite mild in the South. Still cold

1:00:211:00:23

in the North. This evening and

overnight, the snow distribution

1:00:231:00:27

changes, moving to the Northern

Isles, northern and western

1:00:271:00:31

Scotland, even at lower levels. For

the rest, quiet night, some showers,

1:00:311:00:36

frosty, the risk of ice and patchy

fog which could be dense across

1:00:361:00:41

parts of East Anglia and the

south-east.

1:00:411:00:46

Hello, it's Tuesday, it's ten

o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire...

1:00:461:00:48

Our top story today -

Russia says it would be open

1:00:481:00:51

to helping investigate

1:00:511:00:52

the suspected poisoning of a former

double-agent, who collapsed

1:00:521:00:54

in Salisbury two days ago

and is now critically ill.

1:00:541:00:59

This morning we've had this warning

from a former British

1:00:591:01:01

ambassador to Russia.

1:01:011:01:08

A very low point, whatever we

conclude about Surman Sergei

1:01:081:01:14

Skripal, being when Putin

demonstrated a load of nuclear

1:01:141:01:17

weapons which they may or may not

have that are developing, and

1:01:171:01:21

underlined his willingness to use

them if necessary.

1:01:211:01:23

Plenty more reaction to come

throughout the programme.

1:01:231:01:26

Also on the programme...

1:01:261:01:27

Health officials warn that

1:01:271:01:28

if you use Xanax as a recreational

drug, you could end up dying.

1:01:281:01:31

Children as yet as 13 are using the

drug recreationally.

I did not know

1:01:311:01:36

it was as addictive as it could be,

when it took hold of me it was a

1:01:361:01:42

surprise in hindsight how quickly it

came on.

1:01:421:01:49

came on.

Do get involved with your

own experiences.

1:01:501:01:54

Britain's most senior

counterterrorism officer tells us

1:01:541:01:56

that social media companies have a

moral duty to tip-off police to

1:01:561:02:01

potential terrorist activity.

When you have such complex global

1:02:011:02:05

issues, I am not sure there are

simple legal levers you can pull. I

1:02:051:02:08

think there is a moral duty. Looking

at the banks, it got -- it took

1:02:081:02:13

quite a long time to get where we

are. My guess is over many years it

1:02:131:02:19

will be persuasion and regulation

which will move the relationship

1:02:191:02:21

with the tech sector in the same

way.

1:02:211:02:24

That full exclusive television

interview before 11 I am.

1:02:241:02:31

Good morning.

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Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news.

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Police say they are

keeping an open mind

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about how and why a former Russian

double agent became critically ill

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after apparently coming into contact

with an unidentified substance.

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Sergei Skripal and a

33-year-old woman found

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with him are being treated

in hospital in Salisbury.

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Sergei Skripal was given refuge

in Britain eight years ago

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after being involved in a spy swap.

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The former UK Ambassador

to Russia, Sir Tony Brenton,

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said the incident was a symptom

of the increasingly strained

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relationship the UK has with Russia.

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We have been imposing all these

sanctions aren't so one, not just us

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but the West as a whole. The Russian

response has a very thing being to

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toughen up our approach. They see as

those trying to diminish and Milik

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them, threatening their national

security. Things have gone from bad

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to worse. A very low point, whatever

we conclude about Skripal, being

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when Putin last week demonstrated a

load of nuclear weapons which they

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may or may not have but are

certainly developing and he

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underlined his readiness to use them

if necessary. It seems to me that we

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need to find a way back from the

brink we are now on and getting back

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into a serious old Cold War type of

nuclear confrontation.

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Britain's most senior counter

terrorism police officer has told

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this programme in an exclusive

interview that social media

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companies have a moral

duty to tip-off police

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to potential terror activity.

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Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley

of the Metropolitan Police says that

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whilst tech companies have worked

with officers on individual cases,

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more needs to be done.

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He says that, in time,

regulation will be needed

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to ensure their co-operation.

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When you have such complex global

issues, I am not sure there are

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simple legal levers you can pull. I

think there is a moral duty. Looking

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at the banks, it took quite a long

time to get to where we are with a

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mature relationship with them added

to the combination of persuasion and

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regulation. My guess is that over

many years, persuasion and

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regulation will move the

relationship with the tech sector in

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the same way.

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And you can hear

Victoria's full interview

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with Mark Rowley at around a quarter

to eleven this morning.

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In Syria, the first aid

convoy for three weeks

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has delivered supplies

to the rebel-held

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territory Eastern Ghouta.

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But aid workers were forced

to cut the mission short

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after dozens of people were killed

by shelling from

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pro-government forces.

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Nearly 400,000 people

are thought to be trapped

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in the enclave which has been

the focus of heavy

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fighting in recent months.

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Water companies have been working

through the night to restore

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supplies to thousands of homes

across south-east England affected

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by burst pipes after last

week's cold weather.

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Yesterday London MPs called for an

inquiry as to why 20,000 people had

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water supplies cut off over the

weekend.

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Production at two of

Jaguar Land Rover's plants had to be

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halted temporarily to allow water

to be prioritised by emergency

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services and hospitals.

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Counterfeit Xanax pills laced

with a powerful painkiller

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have become a party drug among some

young people - but Public Health

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England have warned this programme

users are dicing with death.

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The drug is widely prescribed

in the United States to treat

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anxiety and can be obtained

here on private prescription.

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But among some teenagers

and young adults in the UK,

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it has become a popular recreational

drug used illegally.

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Former BBC Breakfast presenter

Bill Turnbull has announced that

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he's been diagnosed with prostate

and bone cancer.

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He tweeted the news late last night

and has undergone chemotherapy.

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He says he is in good

spirits and hopes to be

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around for some time yet.

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He was at Breakfast for 15 years

before leaving the sofa in 2016.

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Bill was diagnosed at

the end of last year

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during the recording

of The Great Celebrity Bake Off

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For Stand Up To Cancer on Channel 4.

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I was getting pains in my legs,

in my hips particularly.

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And they would come and go,

and I thought this is old age.

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Eventually the pains got

so bad that I thought,

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well, I'd better go and see my GP.

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He said, well, I'm just

going to give you a blood test,

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just a sort of MOT, if you like,

just to check a few things out.

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The next morning he called me

and asked me to come in pretty

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quickly, and the doctor said it's

fairly clear from this that you have

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advanced prostate cancer.

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Bill Turnbull.

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That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

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More at 10:30am.

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A few people have commented on the

portion sizes which Public Health

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England are suggesting our good

sized portions in terms of calorific

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content for what we should it for

breakfast, lunch and dinner. 400 at

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breakfast, 600 at lunch and dinner.

Where I come from, dinner is at

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lunchtime, but you know what I mean.

Michael says those meals are a joke.

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I am six foot three and 16 stone, I

am not overweight and they would in

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no way even touch the sides, let

alone fill me up. David says I am

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67, six foot four and around 15

stone. I have stayed relatively slim

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without the benefit of anyone

telling me what to eat. I despair of

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the continuing trend of experts

taking the fun out of life.

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Thank you for those.

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Here's some sport now.

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Sir Bradley Wiggins says

he is the victim of a smear campaign

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after a DCMS report claimed

that he and Team Sky crossed

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an ethical line in the use

of prescribed drugs.

1:08:131:08:17

Wiggins says he has 100% never

cheated in his career,

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but speaking to our sports editor,

Dan Roan, he did concede

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that the legal use of a powerful

corticosteroid to treat his asthma

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and pollen allergy may have led

to performance enhancement.

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I think intention is the key. Was

there a performance enhancement? You

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tell me there was.

There might well

be.

There may well have been. But

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they were the rules at the time, and

to treat this problem that is what I

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was prescribed. I can change the

last five years.

Do you feel let

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down by what you are advised to do?

-- I can't change. I think I have

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been let down since in terms of the

last 12, 15 months, what has

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happened. The packages on the

outcome of this report based on

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anonymous sources. I think the least

I deserve through this now is some

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hard evidence. If that is the

accusation, where is the evidence to

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support it?

Much more on the BBC sport website.

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Manchester United were 2-0 down

at Selhurst Park last night

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but stormed back to beat relegation

strugglers Crystal palace 3-2

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and return to second in the table.

1:09:391:09:40

Palace had taken an early lead

through a deflected Andros Townsend

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goal and they doubled that soon

after the break.

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But Chris Smalling and Romelu Lukaku

pulled them back in to it before

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this injury time wonder goal

from Nemanja Matic.

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That was his first

goal for the club.

1:09:531:09:56

Jose Mourinho revealed

that he hadn't been happy with Matic

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for his performance up until then,

but the Serbian found the best way

1:09:581:10:01

to get back in the good books.

1:10:011:10:08

He almost killed me with one action

inside of our box where they almost

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scored because he took an eternity

to clean it. So one minute he was

1:10:201:10:26

killing me, the next minute he

pushed me to satisfaction.

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Satisfaction.

1:10:341:10:35

England's cricketers are preparing

for the fourth one-dayer

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against New Zealand this evening

and they have received a boost ahead

1:10:371:10:40

of their test series.

1:10:401:10:41

Uncapped batsman Liam Livingstone

will be fit for the tour.

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He had pulled out of the Lions' tour

to the West Indies recently

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with an ankle problem but will link

up with the main squad this weekend

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ahead of the first test

at the end of March.

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That is all for now, I will be back

with the headline is a bit later.

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Thank you very much.

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This morning, a warning that

counterfeit Xanax pills laced

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with a powerful painkiller have

become a party drug

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among some young people.

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Public Health England has told

this programme users

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are dicing with death.

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We showed you our reporter

Noel Phillips' full report earlier.

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Here's a short extract.

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It does contain some graphic

references to drugs use

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which you might not want

children to see.

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Jordan and Kieron, not their real

names, are both 18. They are users

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of Xanax, a psychiatric painkiller

used to treat anxiety and insomnia.

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How long have you been using?

About

nine months.

How often?

Probably

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once every two or three weeks.

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once every two or three weeks.

This

is not peering a mental disorder, it

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is being misused. It is a

psychiatric painkiller used to

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choose, retreat anxiety and

insomnia. The authorities are

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acknowledging the scope and the

risks. How big a problem is Xanax.

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It is a real and immediate concern

amid groups of young people among

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whom it seems to be a drug of

choice. When people buy Mac with

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things from the Internet they have

no guarantee of what they are

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getting, so whatever is in the drugs

that they buy could change from one

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batch to another. It is dicing with

death, really.

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batch to another. It is dicing with

death, really. It was a surprise how

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quick it came on.

There were no

figures available to know how

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widespread it is being used, but in

England and Scotland, the drug has

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been linked to a number of deaths.

Up until he was taking Xanax, Scott

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had problems with drugs are 17

years. No overdoses, no admissions

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to hospital, nothing like that.

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When he took Xanax,

the first time he took it,

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he was completely out of it.

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He went back the next day,

the next day and the next day.

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And that's what happened.

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The company that produces IMAX says

they are alarmed by the amount of

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drugs that are counterfeit.

We are

100% aware of the risk that it can

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affect us. But we are level-headed.

What I have seen shows pretty

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convincingly the challenges the

authorities are up against in

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tackling Xanax misuse.

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Let's talk now to Michael -

that's not his real name -

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he's 18 and used to take

Xanax twice a week.

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He stopped

taking it recently.

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Anne McDermott, who you saw

a few moments ago,

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her 35-year-old son, Scott,

died after using Xanax in January.

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Dr Adrian Harrop, a GP who has

just finished working

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as an emergency medicine doctor

at Scarborough Hospital.

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He's seen first-hand

an increase in emergency cases.

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Labour MP Bambos Charlambous has

written to the Home Office

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about his concerns about the drug.

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Let us begin with you, Michael. Tell

us why you were taking Xanax, you

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were not using it at parties, but

you were using it illegally.

I

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suffered from anxiety, I had

displeasure with my life at sixth

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form, I started taking

benzodiazepines to deal with it, and

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I became addicted. I have always

been aware Xanax was similar in the

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effects when I came to university I

got hold of it and I was under the

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assumption that they were legitimate

pills, I was not aware they were

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counterfeits.

What effect did they

have on you?

Sluggish, memory loss,

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very lethargic, sleep for hours on

end, lacking motivation, lacking

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short-term memory, a reason why they

call it the zombie drug, that is

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what it does.

You do not want to say

where you got them from, but was not

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a GP, a private prescription, but it

was not online, you did not go

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through legitimate route to get the

drugs and therefore you did not know

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how many to take.

I kind of did my

research and I understood that

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moderation was the key when dealing

with the substance like this because

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I had been through dependency with

benzodiazepines so I was struck with

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my usage, I never allowed myself to

do more than what I thought was

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necessary.

You were self-medicating.

You are not a trained professional

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like Adrian Lewis, for example.

Yes.

I am very aware with the stigma

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surrounding mental health and it is

something I would rather not have on

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my record because it is something

that follows you for ages, mental...

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You did not want to talk to a health

professional in case how your

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medical records emerged later run.

No one knows me better than myself,

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I deal with my issues are my own

way, I have a great support system,

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friends and family. I felt that I

did not need Xanax so I was not in

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the point I wanted to escape.

As a

trainee GP, Adrian, we have two

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issues, people using this drug

illegally, recreationally, and

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people like Michael who are

self-medicating because they are

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anxious, for whatever reason. What

do you say about this drug if you

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use it for whatever purpose?

Xanax

is a strange entity in this country

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because when it is obtained by

anyone in the UK, it is as a drug of

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abuse, really. It is not prescribed

in the UK in the same way as lots of

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benzodiazepines are.

You can get

private prescriptions?

But the

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numbers are tiny.

Any other way, you

are using it illegally.

For the vast

1:18:301:18:34

majority of cases, yes. The places

it is being obtained from, no way of

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regulating the quality of it. In

America, this drug is very widely

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prescribed so you can verify the

quality of the drug when you obtain

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it from a pharmacist. In the UK,

that is not the case.

Potentially

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extremely dangerous. What sort of

admissions were you seeing relating

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to Xanax at Scarborough Hospital?

An

immense range. In low doses of

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alprazolam or other benzodiazepines,

dissimilar to alcohol, being

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inebriated, a bit sedated, slightly

larger doses. -- not dissimilar to

1:19:131:19:19

alcohol. But it can range up to

anything including stopping

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breathing and falling into a coma

and ultimately dying and everything

1:19:241:19:28

in between. It depends on how much

has been taken and in what form and

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most importantly alongside what

other substances? Often it is the

1:19:331:19:36

jewel use of Xanax alongside other

drugs -- dual use of Xanax alongside

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other drugs such as alcohol.

Tell

our audience about your son, Scott,

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and although we are waiting for the

postmortem results, why you are

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convinced Xanax contributed to his

death.

Scott was a heroin addict,

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currently on methadone prescription,

Valium prescription, and of pre-GABA

1:20:051:20:13

prescription. From the GP. He still

took heroin, unfortunately, I will

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not lie. And then Xanax came along.

Xanax is the only difference think

1:20:171:20:24

that Scott was taking. He had always

took the same thing. And he went won

1:20:241:20:31

the day, the next day, the next day

-- and he went one day. One tablet,

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two tablets, five tablets. His

partner said they were cut into

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four, quite large tablets. I do not

know if you have seen that?

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Unfortunately, Scott became addicted

very quickly to Xanax and he was out

1:20:531:21:00

of it, totally out of it. He fell

from the sofa onto the floor

1:21:001:21:09

zombie-like, as Michael said, and it

was awful. We got a phone call to

1:21:091:21:14

save the paramedics were with Scott.

They did not think there was much of

1:21:141:21:20

a chance for Scott. He had been

starved of oxygen for over an hour.

1:21:201:21:25

They were working on him. He went to

hospital.

1:21:251:21:32

hospital. At 722. He got there at

758. He died at 520 the next

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morning. Very difficult.

You have

found...

A diary. From before. I

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must say, this is not to do with

Xanax. Related to all drugs. It has

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six of drugs, -- sick of drugs, feel

like a tramp, who would want to be

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with me like this any more? Get back

to being me. But better. Being

1:22:041:22:09

myself again. Together. I need to

stop feeling like this.

And that was

1:22:091:22:17

written in 2016, December. When he

was, as you have explained, addicted

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to heroin. And I wonder if that in

part answer is a not very

1:22:231:22:27

sympathetic message I have the users

of all the drugs -- the abuses of

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all drugs, suggesting it is a

choice, they know the dangers,

1:22:331:22:38

people choose to take risks, my

sympathy, says this man, is for

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their parents and friends but not

for those who die as a result of

1:22:421:22:45

taking any drugs.

I do not think

Scott deliberately meant to die. I

1:22:451:22:50

think by this time he was so

addicted to these tablets, he was

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going there once, twice a day, which

he was not with heroin. I appreciate

1:22:561:23:01

what the man says, but I think...

Everyone says, I feel so sorry for

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you, I feel sorry for you. That is

lovely, but Scott paid the ultimate

1:23:071:23:13

price. I feel sorry for Scott. He

will not see his children get

1:23:131:23:18

married. He will not see his

grandson who is three months old. He

1:23:181:23:23

will not see any of that. Though I

appreciate that person was a point

1:23:231:23:28

of view, he did not know Scott. You

cannot categorise everybody.

You are

1:23:281:23:33

being very generous towards that

message. Let me bring you in as a

1:23:331:23:39

Labour MP, yesterday writing to the

Department of Health to voice your

1:23:391:23:44

concerns. Why the Department of

Health rather than the Home Office

1:23:441:23:47

out of interest?

A number of issues

about Xanax, we need to raise, the

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first about awareness, a lot of

people are not aware about the

1:23:531:23:57

issues around Xanax, so having a

public awareness campaign would be

1:23:571:24:00

helpful. Also supporting young

people, making sure there is more

1:24:001:24:05

support for young people in relation

to mental health and those who are

1:24:051:24:10

addicted, young people who are

addicted, it may not be relevant for

1:24:101:24:13

them to go to hard addiction

services, maybe more tailor-made

1:24:131:24:17

services for them. And more

research, we do not know enough

1:24:171:24:20

about how many people are using

Xanax.

That is probably true in this

1:24:201:24:25

country. Do you not think people do

know, if they're not getting it from

1:24:251:24:31

their GP, not getting it from the

chemist, not getting it from a

1:24:311:24:33

legitimate source, then, as Adrian

was saying, they know they are

1:24:331:24:41

taking it illegally? Or do you not

think young people know that or

1:24:411:24:45

care, you think you are invincible

when you are 15?

Maybe. But it has

1:24:451:24:51

been glamorised in rap music and it

is widely available in America and

1:24:511:24:56

it is seen as being OK so it does

not have the stigma of the hard

1:24:561:25:01

drugs do and I think that is why

young people think it is OK to take

1:25:011:25:05

it.

This is a particular problem I

have noticed as well when you look

1:25:051:25:09

into the social media aspects of

this particular drug, Xanax.

1:25:091:25:13

Extremely popular in the rap music

genre in America. It is very much a

1:25:131:25:20

normalised, the taking of Xanax as

an anti-anxiety option for young

1:25:201:25:23

people. The reason for that majorly

is that in the US it is a very

1:25:231:25:28

common drug of prescription and very

widely available and in the UK we

1:25:281:25:32

simply do not use it that way. When

you are talking about it the way the

1:25:321:25:36

rap artists do in the UK context, it

means an entirely different thing.

1:25:361:25:41

Understood. OK. Thank you very much.

We appreciate your time. Thank you

1:25:411:25:47

so much. We appreciate your time.

And your views are welcome.

1:25:471:25:56

If you want help or advice

about some of the issues

1:25:561:25:59

raised in this item,

please go to bbc.co.uk/actionline.

1:25:591:26:07

Breaking news. The woman in hospital

who collapsed alongside the former

1:26:081:26:14

Russian spy is his daughter. Let us

talk to our correspondent. Fill in

1:26:141:26:18

the audience.

We have known that

alongside Sergei Skripal, a woman

1:26:181:26:31

was found with him unconscious on

the bench behind me, but we cannot

1:26:311:26:37

confirm that the woman is in fact

his. We believe that she was

1:26:371:26:43

visiting her father in the UK.

Relatives have told us they have

1:26:431:26:51

been unable to contact her on her

phone for the last two days. When

1:26:511:26:55

Sergei Skripal was brought to the

UK, remember, he had been partnered

1:26:551:27:02

by the Russian government after

being arrested in 2006 for allegedly

1:27:021:27:09

spying for Britain and he was handed

over to the UK in 2010 in what was a

1:27:091:27:14

swap for Russian spies going from

the US to Russia. In 2010, we

1:27:141:27:22

believe Yulia Skripal move to the UK

with her father when she left her

1:27:221:27:26

for some time before moving back to

Moscow but she was a regular visitor

1:27:261:27:29

to the UK where she visited her

father who lived here in Salisbury.

1:27:291:27:34

We also believe Sergei Skripal had a

43-year-old son who died last year.

1:27:341:27:43

After his death, we believe Yulia

Skripal was visiting here more

1:27:431:27:49

regularly, we believe the sun died

in St Petersburg on holiday. -- the

1:27:491:27:54

son. Relatives say they deny Sergei

Skripal was involved in any way with

1:27:541:28:02

MI6, as was alleged by the Russian

government. But we believe now that

1:28:021:28:07

Yulia Skripal is the woman who was

found on the bench unconscious with

1:28:071:28:11

her father on Sunday afternoon. They

are both still in a critical

1:28:111:28:17

condition in hospital and police are

working to find out how exactly they

1:28:171:28:21

came to be found unconscious here on

Sunday afternoon.

Thank you very

1:28:211:28:26

much. That breaking news that the

woman found collapsed alongside the

1:28:261:28:31

former Russian spy Sergei Skripal is

his daughter, Yulia Skripal, who was

1:28:311:28:36

visiting her father from Moscow.

Much more to come on that story

1:28:361:28:40

throughout the day on BBC News. Also

still to come, but I'm's most senior

1:28:401:28:46

counterterrorism officer tells a

social media companies have a moral

1:28:461:28:51

duty to tip off the police about

potential terror activity. That

1:28:511:28:55

interview in the next half an hour.

And over the last week, more than

1:28:551:29:01

120 mostly female immigration and

eating these have been on hunger

1:29:011:29:07

strike at the Yarl's Wood detention

centre. They are protesting about

1:29:071:29:10

conditions in the centre. We will

talk about that in the next 30

1:29:101:29:13

minutes.

1:29:131:29:22

Time for the latest news -

here's Annita McVeigh.

1:29:221:29:24

The Russian government has denied

having any knowledge

1:29:241:29:26

of the circumstances that left

a former Russian spy critically ill

1:29:261:29:29

in hospital in Salisbury.

1:29:291:29:30

Sergei Skripal, who was freed

from jail in Russia in 2010,

1:29:301:29:33

was found on a bench on Sunday

alongside a woman who -

1:29:331:29:36

as we've been hearing -

has been confirmed to be

1:29:361:29:38

his daughter, Yulia.

1:29:381:29:40

Police are trying to establish

whether they were exposed

1:29:401:29:42

to an unknown substance.

1:29:421:29:45

In Syria, the first aid

convoy for three weeks

1:29:451:29:47

has delivered supplies

to the rebel-held

1:29:471:29:49

territory Eastern Ghouta.

1:29:491:29:51

But aid workers were forced

to cut the mission short

1:29:511:29:53

after dozens of people were killed

by shelling from

1:29:531:29:55

pro-government forces.

1:29:551:29:59

Nearly 400,000 people

are thought to be trapped

1:29:591:30:01

in the enclave which has been

the focus of heavy

1:30:011:30:03

fighting in recent months.

1:30:031:30:06

The packaging industry

in England has denied claims

1:30:061:30:09

that it is greatly exaggerating

the amount of plastic it recycles.

1:30:091:30:12

It follows the release

of a report today

1:30:121:30:14

by waste consultancy

group Eunomia who say

1:30:141:30:18

the industry's figures don't add up

and companies aren't paying enough

1:30:181:30:20

towards the £2.8 billion

annual cost of collecting

1:30:201:30:22

and processing plastic.

1:30:221:30:30

The family of a seven-year-old girl

killed in a car crash in the icy

1:30:331:30:38

conditions last week have described

her as beautiful, caring and kind

1:30:381:30:40

and say she will never be forgotten.

Maisie Duncan died when a vehicle

1:30:401:30:45

hit her and crashed into her house

when she was playing in snow in

1:30:451:30:50

Cornwall last week. Police say no

arrests have been made as inquiries

1:30:501:30:53

are continuing.

1:30:531:30:58

Public Health England have

challenged the food industry

1:30:581:31:00

to cut calories in products

like ready meals, sandwiches,

1:31:001:31:02

pizza and snacks.

1:31:021:31:03

It wants the whole industry, from

processors to restaurant, to achieve

1:31:031:31:06

the goal of cutting calories by a

fifth by 2024.

1:31:061:31:11

Former BBC Breakfast presenter

Bill Turnbull has announced that

1:31:111:31:13

he's been diagnosed with prostate

and bone cancer.

1:31:131:31:16

He told the radio Times magazine he

was diagnosed at the end of last

1:31:161:31:20

year after blaming long-term aches

and pains on old age. He encourages

1:31:201:31:24

others to get tested.

1:31:241:31:26

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

1:31:261:31:28

Here's some sport now

with Olly Foster.

1:31:281:31:31

Thank you.

1:31:311:31:33

These are our headlines.

1:31:331:31:34

Sir Bradley Wiggins says

he is the victim of a smear campaign

1:31:341:31:38

after a DCMS report claimed

that he and Team Sky crossed

1:31:381:31:39

an ethical line in the use

of prescribed drugs that may have

1:31:391:31:42

also enhanced performance.

1:31:421:31:43

Wiggins says he has 100% never

cheated in his career.

1:31:431:31:50

From 2-0 down, Nemanja Matic scored

an injury time wonder goal

1:31:501:31:53

as Manchester united beat

Crystal Palace 3-2.

1:31:531:31:54

They are back up to

second in the table.

1:31:541:32:00

14 months after her last match and

six months after giving birth the 23

1:32:011:32:05

time Grand Slam singles winner

Serena Williams makes her comeback

1:32:051:32:08

on the women's tour this week. One

bit of breaking Rugby union news,

1:32:081:32:14

the England winger Jack Nowell is a

doubt for the Six Nations match next

1:32:141:32:18

weekend away in France.

I will be back on BBC News after

1:32:181:32:22

11am.

Thank you.

1:32:221:32:24

More than 120 mostly female

immigration detainess have

1:32:241:32:26

been on hunger strike

at the Yarl's Wood Detention

1:32:261:32:29

Centre in Bedfordshire

for over the last week.

1:32:291:32:30

They're protesting about conditions

within the centre, including

1:32:301:32:32

the fact that England is the only

country within the EU where

1:32:321:32:35

detainees can be held indefinitely.

1:32:351:32:40

The Home Office has sent letters

to some of those on strike

1:32:401:32:43

suggesting their deportation

proceedings would be

1:32:431:32:44

accelerated if they continue

with the hunger strike.

1:32:441:32:52

We can speak now to a woman

currently in Yarl's Wood.

1:32:521:32:59

She has been on hunger strike for

two weeks. She is originally from

1:33:001:33:04

Botswana, she came to the UK 14

years ago and is now 27.

1:33:041:33:08

Here in the studio is Jess Phillips,

Labour MP who has a constituent

1:33:081:33:11

being detained in Yarl's Wood.

1:33:111:33:16

-- has had various constituents

detained in Yarl's Wood but has

1:33:161:33:18

always got them out so far.

Can you hear me OK, a la gas from

1:33:181:33:24

Yarl's Wood?

Yes.

When did you last

eat food?

A lot of people have not

1:33:241:33:34

been eating over the last couple of

weeks. I have been having lots of

1:33:341:33:38

fruit and veg just to keep my energy

going.

Are you saying there are

1:33:381:33:44

people alongside you who are not

taking in food or fluids?

Correct.

1:33:441:33:52

What is the point of them doing

that?

Lots of people just want the

1:33:521:33:58

Home Office to do what is right for

them, really. People have been

1:33:581:34:07

brought into detention unlawfully,

I've not been

1:34:071:34:14

I've not been told at all or being

forewarned that they would be

1:34:141:34:17

brought to detention. Lots of women

want that to be brought out and

1:34:171:34:25

overturned, really. As well as many

other issues that have happened,

1:34:251:34:32

like the indefinite detention for

many people.

When you say they have

1:34:321:34:36

been brought unlawfully, what do you

mean, Opelo?

Standard procedure

1:34:361:34:42

really is that the Home Office has a

letter with the decision to your

1:34:421:34:50

legal representation as well as

sending a message to yourself, a

1:34:501:34:54

letter to yourself. In that time

you're supposed to have some sort of

1:34:541:34:57

appeal released a response to the

Home Office before they can proceed

1:34:571:35:02

with whatever action they want to

take. For lots of people, virtually

1:35:021:35:10

no one gets a chance to appeal any

decision and is brought straight to

1:35:101:35:16

detention. Lots of them are then

deported.

Last weekend you were

1:35:161:35:21

moments away from being deported,

correct?

Year.

What happened?

1:35:211:35:32

correct?

Year.

What happened?

We

were called by the legal department

1:35:321:35:34

here and the officers told us that

the Home Office will have told us

1:35:341:35:40

you are going to be getting

deported, we're taking you into a

1:35:401:35:44

van and you will be taken to

Heathrow where you will be put on a

1:35:441:35:50

flight to Botswana.

Why didn't it

happen?

1:35:501:35:56

happen?

Wii has (INAUDIBLE)

Helping to intervene in the

1:35:561:36:00

situation, but if that had not have

happened we would not still be here.

1:36:001:36:07

Tell us about the conditions inside

the centre, which is part of the

1:36:071:36:10

reason so many women have been on

hunger strike?

Of course, first and

1:36:101:36:16

foremost, being brought into

detention is quite traumatising in

1:36:161:36:19

itself. And then you are met with so

many problems like... People who

1:36:191:36:28

have been here for months and months

on end and they teddy bear stories,

1:36:281:36:32

which really break your heart. --

and they teddy bear stories. Equally

1:36:321:36:38

having to deal with the immigration

issue in detention causes so much

1:36:381:36:44

depression, anxiety and panic attack

in so many people. A lot of people

1:36:441:36:48

struggle with the people together

and a lot of the time we urge is

1:36:481:36:51

given paracetamol and told that is

all they can give you and nothing

1:36:511:36:58

more, really.

For those women who

have not been eating or taking in

1:36:581:37:03

fluids, how are they?

On a

psychological level, because they

1:37:031:37:10

are fighting for something that they

believe in, that we believe in, we

1:37:101:37:14

are very strong. But lots of women

are really struggling and obviously

1:37:141:37:18

very weak, because you need food. We

are continuing to carry out the

1:37:181:37:24

process.

I will bring in Jess

Phillips, Opelo Kgari, I hope you

1:37:241:37:29

will be able to hear her. I am sure

you will. Let me ask you about the

1:37:291:37:34

offers the Home Office sends which

suggested the deportation of some of

1:37:341:37:37

the detainees would be accelerated

if they continued the hunger strike?

1:37:371:37:42

Well, that is absolutely disgusting.

There is no basis for it in law. The

1:37:421:37:46

Home Office has no leg to stand on

with making that the case. These

1:37:461:37:51

people are

1:37:511:37:57

people are partaking in peaceful

protest, they are not hurting

1:37:571:37:59

anyone, not rioting in the prison...

In the detention centre. And we have

1:37:591:38:02

seen over the past few years

outbreaks of different protest in

1:38:021:38:05

the prison. This is a very peaceful

protest and the Home Office, I

1:38:051:38:10

think, have very, very badly missed

the tone.

You have managed to get

1:38:101:38:16

constituents out of there. How? The

blurb I think it is important to

1:38:161:38:19

mention that 85% of the women

detained in Yarl's Wood and are

1:38:191:38:23

becoming back out into the community

to continue to fight their case

1:38:231:38:28

legally -- end up coming back out.

When my constituents and up in

1:38:281:38:34

there, completely wrongly, one

constituent rang the police because

1:38:341:38:37

she had a threat to kill by her

violent husband.

It was not the

1:38:371:38:41

police who assisted her, it was an

immigration ban. What message does

1:38:411:38:46

that send to vulnerable women, if

they have insecure migrant status we

1:38:461:38:51

are not interested in their safety,

only interested in carting them to

1:38:511:38:55

detention? You will appeal to Home

Office processes and always there

1:38:551:39:00

are ongoing cases and those women

should not be detention, their cases

1:39:001:39:03

are often being heard by a tribunal

or the Home Office systems

1:39:031:39:08

themselves, which are incredibly

slow through no fault of the women

1:39:081:39:12

detained.

The Home Office say last year's 92%

1:39:121:39:15

of people at Yarl's Wood were

detained for four months or less and

1:39:151:39:21

nearly two thirds for less than a

month?

But the standard was meant to

1:39:211:39:27

be 28 days. Indefinite detention...

Detaining people are no grounds

1:39:271:39:32

should be a human rights concerns of

the entire nation. Imagine if this

1:39:321:39:36

happened to you. I believe Pam has

lived here since she was 13, there

1:39:361:39:42

are children in my children's class

who could exactly live the same life

1:39:421:39:47

as Opelo, exactly like us. Imagine

you are picked up in the night,

1:39:471:39:51

taken off to detention with very

little legal help? My constituents

1:39:511:39:55

often do not know where they are.

One said they have taken me to

1:39:551:40:00

Bradford, she had never even heard

of Bedford. That is not due process

1:40:001:40:05

for a vulnerable woman who was a

victim of domestic violence to end

1:40:051:40:09

up not knowing where they are. The

idea that four months is an

1:40:091:40:15

acceptable time to detain somebody

without real reason... Four daters

1:40:151:40:21

too long.

Opelo Kgari, what do you say that

1:40:211:40:24

happened to you if you were deported

to Botswana?

1:40:241:40:32

to Botswana?

I have never

(INAUDIBLE)

1:40:321:40:36

Outside the UK, really, having spent

so much time here. It is really

1:40:361:40:40

difficult for me to try to think,

gosh, what will I then be doing upon

1:40:401:40:46

arrival.

I caught most of that

answer, I think you are saying

1:40:461:40:52

because you came here when you were

13 with your mum... Why did your mum

1:40:521:40:56

come here?

My mum was a student.

So

because you have been brought up

1:40:561:41:03

here, your life is here, is that the

point?

Yes. I spent my formative

1:41:031:41:10

years here, all of my most important

memories have been spent here. My

1:41:101:41:16

21st birthday, my 18th, my 16th. I

just... I couldn't imagine all of

1:41:161:41:24

those being taken away and being

told we are taking you away to... To

1:41:241:41:31

a country altogether in a whole

other continent that you are

1:41:311:41:36

altogether unfamiliar with.

Jess

Phillips, is that a legitimate

1:41:361:41:40

reason to let Opelo Kgari stay in

this country?

I think it is. I think

1:41:401:41:45

Opelo Mycoplasma Kate is quite rare

in that her mother came as a

1:41:451:41:49

student, the vast majority of women

ending up in Yarl's Wood are coming

1:41:491:41:53

here on spousal visas and then

suffer issues of domestic and sexual

1:41:531:41:58

violence, trafficked to the UK. I

visited two women in Yarl's Wood

1:41:581:42:02

last time I went to had been

trafficked, the Home Office

1:42:021:42:06

explicitly states they will not keep

trafficked women there, and on a

1:42:061:42:09

very quick risk assessment I did

they had both been trafficked to the

1:42:091:42:14

UK for six. There are all sorts of

stories of very vulnerable women in

1:42:141:42:19

there, and women like Opelo. You

don't need to have a very, very sad

1:42:191:42:24

story of abuse to

1:42:241:42:33

story of abuse to think that this is

a kid who grew up in the UK. We are

1:42:331:42:35

wasting tax payers money trying to

fight this case when she has

1:42:351:42:39

something to offer to the UK.

Absolutely I would rather she was

1:42:391:42:41

allowed to stay, allowed to work,

offer something to the nation. At

1:42:411:42:45

the moment we are treating her as a

problem, that is costing the country

1:42:451:42:49

money. She will inevitably, I feel

fairly confident to say, be allowed

1:42:491:42:54

to stay in the long run.

The Home

Office say we take the welfare of

1:42:541:42:58

all those in immigration removal

Centre is very seriously and any

1:42:581:43:02

detainees who choose to refuse food

and/ or fluid are closely monitored

1:43:021:43:07

by on-site health care

professionals. It was is our duty to

1:43:071:43:13

ensure that detainees are informed

about how their actions might

1:43:131:43:15

jeopardise their health and also

make clear it will not prevent their

1:43:151:43:19

case from being progressed.

Thank you to the Labour MP Jess

1:43:191:43:23

Phillips and to Opelo Kgari, we will

talk to you regularly from there, or

1:43:231:43:28

from outside, whatever happens if

your case. Thank you, Opelo.

1:43:281:43:33

Britain's most senior

counterterrorism police officer has

1:43:331:43:35

told this programme in an exclusive

interview that social media

1:43:351:43:37

companies have a moral

duty to tip off police

1:43:371:43:40

to potential terror activity.

1:43:401:43:42

Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley

of the Met Police says, in time,

1:43:421:43:45

persuasion and regulation will need

to be implemented to ensure

1:43:451:43:48

co-operation from tech companies.

1:43:481:43:56

He also warned Brits that we're

going to have to live

1:43:571:44:01

with a severe terror warning -

meaning an attack is highly

1:44:011:44:04

likely - for some time.

1:44:041:44:06

He retires at the end of this week

and has been speaking to us

1:44:061:44:09

in his final TV interview in post.

1:44:091:44:12

I started by asking him

what was known so far

1:44:121:44:15

about the critically-ill

former Russian spy.

1:44:151:44:22

As you would expect in an unusual

case like this, the key for us is to

1:44:231:44:27

get to the bottom of what caused the

illness. Is it foul play or a

1:44:271:44:33

natural cause? Wiltshire Police are

leaving the investigation, they did

1:44:331:44:37

a statement last night -- are

leading the investigation. The

1:44:371:44:40

specialist resources from the

counterterrorism network and other

1:44:401:44:44

sources are assisting as we do

toxicology and other research to get

1:44:441:44:47

to the bottom of the cause.

Alarm

bells are ringing because there are

1:44:471:44:52

similarities to what happened to

another former Russian spy on

1:44:521:44:56

British soil, Alexander Litvinenko,

who was poisoned in a London hotel?

1:44:561:45:00

The wild, the London

counterterrorism team picked that up

1:45:001:45:03

and were complemented by the

Djurdjic did the public inquiry, who

1:45:031:45:06

concluded there was state actors

involved -- complemented by the

1:45:061:45:10

judge who did the public inquiry. It

is important these cases are taken

1:45:101:45:15

seriously. Sometimes exiles generate

conspiracy theories with no

1:45:151:45:21

foundation. But as Litvinenko

illustrated, foul play is possible

1:45:211:45:25

and we had to throw all the

resources specialist technical

1:45:251:45:29

expertise to get to bottom of it.

1:45:291:45:35

You have been head of

counterterrorism further years, last

1:45:351:45:40

year, we saw five terrorist attacks,

is the growth of home grown right

1:45:401:45:47

wing terrorism as alarming for you

as Islamist terrorism?

In many ways,

1:45:471:45:52

it is. One of the reasons I focused

on it last week is because as both

1:45:521:45:57

threats have grown, there is a

danger the smaller of the two gets

1:45:571:46:04

drowned out and not acknowledged

which is why I highlighted it last

1:46:041:46:08

week. It is particularly concerning

that end of 2016, the home threats

1:46:081:46:17

or -- the Home Secretary proscribed

a home-grown white supremacist

1:46:171:46:25

group, they want things like whites

only towns, very unsavoury group,

1:46:251:46:30

and they are plotting violence,

trying to undermine Britain and they

1:46:301:46:34

are starting to make international

connections. It is a matter of great

1:46:341:46:37

concern. I do not persuade it is...

The Home Office have been grappling

1:46:371:46:46

with the definition of the

streamers. How would you define it?

1:46:461:46:49

You know it when you see it, but

finding an exact definition is very

1:46:491:46:54

difficult. -- the definition of

extremism. Terrorism and extremism

1:46:541:46:59

are different things. Extremism is a

recruiting ground for terrorism.

1:46:591:47:03

Whether it is right wing or

Islamist, the sorts of things they

1:47:031:47:08

do, they try to create intolerance,

encourage communities to withdraw

1:47:081:47:13

and isolate and be fearful of

others, they try to undermine the

1:47:131:47:18

state, cannot trust the state to

look after us, look after ourselves,

1:47:181:47:21

and they do maligned things to try

to provide practical support to the

1:47:211:47:27

isolated group to isolate it further

and create a sense of anger and

1:47:271:47:30

grievance which has all sorts of

social ills and sometimes provides a

1:47:301:47:34

recruiting ground for terrorists.

Is

that where white only foodbanks come

1:47:341:47:39

in which is something else you have

recently highlighted which you say

1:47:391:47:43

are being used to recruit vulnerable

people?

Exactly. The extremist

1:47:431:47:47

groups have more influence over the

vulnerable so whether you look at

1:47:471:47:51

the ghastly case convicted last week

in east London where a man has been

1:47:511:47:58

trying to radicalised people with

awful material, that is an Islamist

1:47:581:48:05

extremist preying on the vulnerable,

the other end of the spectrum,

1:48:051:48:08

extreme right wing people looking

for vulnerable deprived people we

1:48:081:48:15

have come across in more than one

time setting up things that are

1:48:151:48:19

effectively white only foodbanks, we

will look after you, no one else

1:48:191:48:23

cares, creating a sense of

isolation, anger and grievance.

1:48:231:48:28

Pulling communities apart. That is

when I talk about our whole society

1:48:281:48:32

approach, there are many agencies,

we all have to think about how we

1:48:321:48:37

hold communities together, not let

these small unpleasant groups pull

1:48:371:48:42

them apart.

How many whites only

foodbanks are there in Britain?

I am

1:48:421:48:47

aware of a small number of cases.

Two three?

That sort of number.

How

1:48:471:48:54

do we counter that question you say

YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, the

1:48:541:49:00

security industry, they need to do

more?

The private sector, whether it

1:49:001:49:04

is the physical world, the virtual

world, in the virtual world, a few

1:49:041:49:10

years ago, some of those big

companies were very reluctant to get

1:49:101:49:15

involved in any of the safety

issues. They have moved a long way

1:49:151:49:18

they are working increasingly well

with us on individual cases, being

1:49:181:49:23

responsive, that is welcome, but an

awful long way to go. They are

1:49:231:49:27

readily identifying people on their

sides sharing all of gruesome, awful

1:49:271:49:32

terrorist material, they will clean

them out, but they do not always

1:49:321:49:38

tipped us off, they never tipped us

off gradually, which is

1:49:381:49:42

disappointing.

Why don't they?

They

do not see it as their

1:49:421:49:46

responsibility. The banks, compare

it to the banks, the banks now see

1:49:461:49:51

it as their responsibility to spot

dirty money going through the

1:49:511:49:57

system, we have not got mature

relationship with the social media.

1:49:571:50:00

Do you think you need legislation to

make it a requirement for social

1:50:001:50:05

media companies to tip it off or is

it a moral duty?

When you have such

1:50:051:50:11

complex global issues, I do not

think there are simple legal levers

1:50:111:50:14

to pull. Looking at the banks, it

took quite a lot of time to get to

1:50:141:50:20

where we are and it took a

combination of persuasion and

1:50:201:50:22

regulation and my guess is over many

years it will be persuasion and

1:50:221:50:26

regulation which will move the

relationship with the tech sector in

1:50:261:50:30

the same way.

Last week he suggested

convicted terrorists could

1:50:301:50:34

potentially have their children

removed from them, like convicted

1:50:341:50:37

paedophiles do. Why?

I was trying to

illustrate the different sectors

1:50:371:50:43

about how we approach extremism and

how we protect vulnerable people who

1:50:431:50:48

are extremists prey on and one

example we have been wrestling with

1:50:481:50:52

with cases over the last two, three

years, extremists radicalising young

1:50:521:50:58

children and it seems to me that

perhaps the whole system from

1:50:581:51:02

police, social services, the courts,

it is not used to dealing with this

1:51:021:51:08

and in my mind, maybe not in

everybody else's, a parent who has

1:51:081:51:14

the interest in paedophilia is

obviously a risk to the child,

1:51:141:51:17

whether or not they have done

anything to them yet, and I would

1:51:171:51:20

say the same about a parent who is a

proven terrorist. Someone who is

1:51:201:51:25

proven to have shared radicalising

material with others, has

1:51:251:51:29

convictions, I would argue they pose

the same Mr the development of the

1:51:291:51:33

child as the paedophile does.

The

sharing of information would be

1:51:331:51:39

enough, as long as convicted?

If

someone believes in

1:51:391:51:50

someone believes in violence and

violence against innocent people,

1:51:501:51:52

terrorism, and they are trying to

encourage that, encourage a warped

1:51:521:51:56

view of a particular religion or

faith, warped ideology, then if they

1:51:561:52:01

are that hard on that -- hard and

committed and pushing that and

1:52:011:52:07

convicted for it, you have to take

the view they will do that within

1:52:071:52:11

their family. We did research in

London where we looked at a group of

1:52:111:52:15

people across a known terrorist

network and the children, about half

1:52:151:52:22

were being home-schooled, they had

been taken out of mainstream

1:52:221:52:26

education, that is completely

disproportionate to anything else

1:52:261:52:29

you would see, where it is a

fraction of a percent across the

1:52:291:52:32

rest of the country, it is about

isolating your own children. There

1:52:321:52:36

are risks that we allow the small

number of people with wicked views

1:52:361:52:41

to corrupt the vulnerable and we

need to intervene.

A mum of five was

1:52:411:52:46

convicted of posting terrorist

propaganda in this country on social

1:52:461:52:50

media. Should her five children have

been removed from her?

I do not want

1:52:501:52:54

to talk about individual cases.

That

is a real living example. She was

1:52:541:53:00

convicted of posting terrorist

propaganda on social media, she has

1:53:001:53:03

five children, the judge spared her

a jail sentence so she could go home

1:53:031:53:07

to look after the kids. He said, she

was remorseful. She had shown

1:53:071:53:12

remorse.

Every case needs looking at

on its merits. My point is, if

1:53:121:53:18

people are determined and committed

to radicalising others and they have

1:53:181:53:21

children, that has to be a matter of

concern.

The Government has been

1:53:211:53:27

giving extra money to

counterterrorism in this country.

1:53:271:53:30

The number of police officers is at

its lowest number for decades. Is

1:53:301:53:34

there a link in your mind between

fewer officers on the streets,

1:53:341:53:38

gathering local intelligence which

might be picked up and potentially

1:53:381:53:43

help thwart terrorist plots and the

number of terrorist plots that there

1:53:431:53:47

have been in this country, including

the ones you have stopped?

I would

1:53:471:53:52

not try to draw a direct causal link

to the events of last year, many

1:53:521:53:57

other factors.

The Police Federation

absolutely did draw a link.

I would

1:53:571:54:01

not make the direct causal link but

community policing is a critical

1:54:011:54:05

part of our model. It is easy to see

what I do as being responsible for a

1:54:051:54:09

load of specialist officers

investigating counterterrorism

1:54:091:54:13

cases, but the connection of the

specialists

1:54:131:54:20

into community policing teams is

critical, a lot of information comes

1:54:261:54:29

from that, our ability to operate in

communities dealing with dangerous

1:54:291:54:30

people and maintaining positive

relationships with the rest of the

1:54:301:54:32

community, it depends on the

strength of community policing.

1:54:321:54:34

There are ports, an example from the

inspectors of policing, HMIC, saying

1:54:341:54:38

community policing is degrading

across the country -- there are

1:54:381:54:41

reports. That is the way they have

described it and I would share that

1:54:411:54:45

concern because strong community

policing is the British model and in

1:54:451:54:48

the 21st century, it

1:54:481:54:54

the 21st century, it as is -- it is

as important as ever.

Brexit, do you

1:54:541:54:58

have concerns about sharing of

information after Brexit?

At the

1:54:581:55:01

moment in terms of sharing, going

from strength to strength.

We have

1:55:011:55:06

not left yet.

If you were to listen

to the horror stories you might

1:55:061:55:12

imagine support is withdrawn, it is

not, sharing is getting better. It

1:55:121:55:17

is not for police officers to try to

work out what the legal and

1:55:171:55:21

political solutions are.

Do you have

any concerns?

We have been clear

1:55:211:55:25

with government. We need solutions

as good as we have today, at least.

1:55:251:55:31

That is supported by the Home

Secretary and the Prime Minister and

1:55:311:55:33

that is what they will look to

negotiate. I do not know what sort

1:55:331:55:36

of treaties that will be. We need to

be able to operate in Europe and

1:55:361:55:42

further afield for counterterrorism

and routine crime inquiries. When

1:55:421:55:45

offices in London arrest a

shoplifter in the country a month,

1:55:451:55:51

from Europe, further afield, it is

useful to know whether it is a

1:55:511:55:56

one-off offence or whether they are

a rapist on the run from some

1:55:561:56:00

far-flung part of the world and you

only know that through sharing

1:56:001:56:04

information.

Final thought about

Islamist terrorism, do you think it

1:56:041:56:07

will ever be fully counted? Will it

ever end? Can you stop it?

That

1:56:071:56:16

requires the crystal ball way beyond

my abilities. If you look at the

1:56:161:56:20

threat at the moment, as we have

described over the last six months,

1:56:201:56:24

more of it, going faster, more

difficult to detect. The challenges

1:56:241:56:28

we face at the moment, we expect

them to continue at that level for

1:56:281:56:32

another year or two. Beyond that, so

many issues around global politics,

1:56:321:56:38

the stability or not of countries

around the world, too difficult to

1:56:381:56:42

predict.

In terms of the threat

level to this country, it is severe

1:56:421:56:48

and has been for a while, it was

critical after the Manchester attack

1:56:481:56:52

and it was reduced. Is that just

part of our daily life now that we

1:56:521:56:56

have to live within this country?

We

have been at severe now for I think

1:56:561:57:01

three and a half years which means

an attack is highly likely. The

1:57:011:57:04

highest level it can be at a

sustained level a critical mean

1:57:041:57:09

something is imminent, when we are

in a particular time of concern like

1:57:091:57:13

after the Manchester attack. It does

look like it will be severe for some

1:57:131:57:17

time to come. Is why, in the

speeches I have made before I depart

1:57:171:57:22

from my job, I will be talking about

whole society response. What we do

1:57:221:57:26

with dangerous people as part of the

solution, but the work of private

1:57:261:57:31

sector do, fantastic work with us,

stuffed with the travel industry,

1:57:311:57:34

doing things with those who organise

pop concerts, sporting events, as

1:57:341:57:38

well as working with people online,

more we can all do to make our

1:57:381:57:43

communities safe and strong to

protect against terrorism, at the

1:57:431:57:47

sustained high period of threat we

are seeing at the moment.

Assistant

1:57:471:57:52

Commissioner Mark Rowley. News

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1:57:521:57:55

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1:57:551:58:03

Salisbury suspected poisoning work

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1:58:031:58:09

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1:58:091:58:12

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1:58:121:58:19

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1:58:191:58:23

conservative right wing press and

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