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Hello it is Wednesday, 9 o'clock.

Welcome to the programme.

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A new crackdown on secondary

ticketing websites.

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Today the advertising standards

agency is taking action

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against the four main operators

to stop people like Claire Turnham

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falling victim to misleading

pricing practices.

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And we'll be speaking

to a woman who was overcharged

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by £1,150 when she tried to buy

Ed Sheeran tickets for her

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son's 16th birthday

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As ministers hold an emergency

meeting about the suspected

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poisoning of a former Russian spy

on UK soil we get the inside track

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on UK-Russia relations

from the writer of the book McMafia,

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on which the hit TV

thriller was based.

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We have a rare insight

into what it is like to be

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in a coercive relationship

in which a partner is abused

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through threats and restrictions,

not just violence.

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This kind of controlling behaviour

has been illegal for three years,

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but would you recognise

the warnings signs?

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I wasn't allowed to walk around the

house bare-footed. Because he said

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it was dirty. He didn't like onions

and garlic, so I couldn't cook

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anything with them in it.

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Helen will be sharing

her full story with us

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about her experiences

of being in a coercive relationship

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- later in the programme

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Hello,

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welcome to the programme,

we're live until 11 this morning.

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And we will be lifting the lid on

back street botox. The claim is

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everyone is doing botox. Perhaps you

have been to a botox party.

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Our top story today...

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The government's emergency committee

Cobra, will be briefed this morning

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on the police investigation

into the suspected poisoning of

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a former Russian agent in Salisbury.

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Sergei Skripal and his daughter

Yulia have spent another night

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in a critical condition in hospital

after being found

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unconscious on Sunday.

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Scientists at the military research

facility at Porton Down are carrying

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out tests to discover what made them

so violently ill.

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Counter terrorism officers,

who took over the investigation

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yesterday, have intensified

their operations in Salisbury.

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Tom Burridge reports

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In a small city in Wiltshire, a

wide-ranging investigation. After a

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former Russian agent and his

daughter suddenly became critically

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ill on Sunday. Yulia Skripal lives

in Russia and was visiting her

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father Sergei in Salisbury. This

footage shows them half an hour

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before locals alerted the police

they were unconscious on a park

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bench.

Her eyes were completely

white and frothing at the mouth and

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the man went stiff, his arms stopped

moving. He was still looking dead

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straight.

Sergei Skripal was an

officer in Russian military

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intelligence but in 2004 he was

arrested and later convicted for

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working for MI6. In 2010 he was

handed over to Britain as part of a

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spy-swap. The Russian Government

said suggestions it was involved are

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untrue. But the murder in London in

2006 of former Russian spy,

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Alexander Litvinenko, means

suspicion is almost inI have tab and

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the ramification for Russian/UK

relations are huge.

If Russia is

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behind it, they're taking things to

a whole new level, it is a

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declaration of war.

Experts have

been trying to work out whether

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toxic substances were used to try

and kill a former Russian agent and

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his daughter who are now in hospital

fighting to stay alive.

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Our correspondent Leila

Nathoo is in Salisbury.

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What is the latest on the

investigation that you're being

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told?

Well, we know that counter

terror police are leading the

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investigation. Yesterday they took

over from Wiltshire police. Not

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because it is being treated as a

terror attack, but because of the

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unusual circumstances of the

incident and the counter terrorism

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police have the resources to deal

with this. Last night there was a

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flurry of police activity. You can

see the corden in place at the

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scene. Behind me. There are others

in place at a near by restaurant and

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pub and there was further searches

in the restaurant. That seems to

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have died down. We know the focus is

on that substance is that is being

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trying to be identified. It may be

some days before know who what that

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is. The Cobra committee a meeting of

government officials, security

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officials and intelligence officials

that convenes today and will be

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chaired by the Home Secretary. That

gives an indication how seriously

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the Government is taking this

incident here in Salisbury.

Thank

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you.

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you. We will talk more about this

later.

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Annita McVeigh is in

the BBC Newsroom

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with a summary of the rest

of the days news.

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The top economic adviser

to the White House,

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Gary Cohn, has resigned -

after failing to persuade

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President Trump not to impose

significant tariffs on imports

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of steel and aluminium.

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Mr Cohn was regarded

by many business leaders

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as a moderating influence

in the administration.

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He's the latest in a long

line of people who've

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left the White House.

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The United States has concluded

that Kim Jong-un's half

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brother was killed by a chemical

attack in Malaysia on the orders

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of the North Korean Government.

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Kim Jong-nam died

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after an encounter at Kuala Lumpur

airport last year, when two

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women smeared his face

with VX nerve agent.

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The women, who say they believed

they were carrying out

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a prank for a TV show,

are on trial for murder.

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The US said it would

impose new sanctions

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on North Korea in response.

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The Chancellor Phillip

Hammond will today

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outline his vision of an EU free

trade deal for the financial

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services sector after Brexit.

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Mr Hammond, who wants special access

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to the EU's single market,

is expected to use his speech

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in London to focus on an agreement

which he says will be of mutual

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interest to both parties.

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The European Commission has

previously said that a free trade

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deal including the City

is not an option.

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Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince,

Mohammed Bin Salman,

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is beginning a three-day visit

to Britain which will include lunch

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with the Queen and talks

with the Prime Minister.

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The Government regards Saudi Arabia

as an important strategic ally,

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but protest marches are planned

by campaign groups angered

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by the war in Yemen, where

the Kingdom is fighting rebels.

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Here's our security

correspondent Frank Gardner

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Embarking on his first foreign trip

since becoming Crown Prince,

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Saudi Arabia's Mohammed Bin Salman

is a man in a hurry.

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After stopping over in Egypt this

week, he is coming to Britain

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to promote his vision of a new,

tolerant Saudi Arabia.

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He's lifted the ban

on women driving from June.

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Cinemas and entertainment

are being introduced,

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and a new mega-city will be built.

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He also imprisoned without trial

hundreds of wealthy Saudis in this

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Riyadh hotel, accusing them

of corruption, something

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that's worrying foreign investors.

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Defence and security contracts

dominate ties with Britain.

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The UK supplies the Saudi air force

with warplanes and munitions.

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In neighbouring Yemen,

Saudi-led airstrikes on

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Iranian-backed Houthi

rebels are being blamed

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for mounting casualties.

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That's prompted calls by some

to break off relations with Saudi.

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A protest is scheduled for later

today outside Downing Street.

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But oil-rich Saudi Arabia

is Britain's biggest

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Arab trading partner.

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Thousands of jobs depend on it.

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In a post-Brexit world,

Britain is looking to boost

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alliances like this one,

while Saudi Arabia is looking

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for foreign investment

to find jobs for its

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overwhelmingly young population.

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When Crown Prince Mohammed meets

leaders in London today,

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his message will be "Saudi Arabia

is open to business" but this

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relationship will always be

a controversial one.

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Frank Gardner, BBC News.

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Mo Farah claims he was racially

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harassed while travelling

through Germany's Munich Airport.

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The four-time Olympic champion

filmed an altercation

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with an enforcement officer

on social media - claiming

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"it was "pure harassment."

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There is, however, no

evidence of any racial abuse

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in the 47-second clip.

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Action's being taken

against so-called "secondary

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ticketing" companies over what's

being described as "misleading

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pricing information"

on their websites.

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The sites re-sell tickets

for sold out shows -

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but the Advertising Standards Agency

says they have hidden charges

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and sometimes don't even

guarantee entry to the gigs.

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It follows an investigation

by Trading Standards

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and The Competition and Markets

Authority.

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A professional rugby

player, Tasered six times

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after driving at 150mph in a police

chase, has been jailed.

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Scott Moore crashed

into a house in Leigh

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and fought officers,

threatening one with a Taser

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he stole from them.

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The ex-England rugby league star

used "his size and experience

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on the rugby field" to evade arrest,

Greater Manchester Police said.

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He was jailed for 23 months

after admitting dangerous

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driving and assault.

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Olympic gold medal

boxer, Nicola Adams,

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has been turned into a Barbie doll

ahead of International Women's Day

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this week.

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Nicola said she's excited

to become the first ever

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boxer barbie, as part

of a range of dolls

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which the manufacturer says

is designed to honour

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inspiring women.

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That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 9.30.

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We are going to be talking about

coercive relationships. A very brave

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woman, Helen, is going to tell us

about her experiences and many

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things that in isolation don't sound

strange, but take non-their whole it

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is a harrowing story.

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Do get in touch with us

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throughout the morning -

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Let's get some sport.

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Cricket first and another close

finish for England?

Yes a great

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match over night, England's

five-match one-day series will be

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decided in Christchurch in England.

New Zealand. -- in New Zealand.

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Bairstow hit 138. At one stage

England lost eight wickets for just

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46 runs. Ross Taylor of New Zealand

was the star though. He hit 181.

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Before Nichols hit the final

boundary. They needed three runs

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from the final over for victory. All

to play for in the final match.

And

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Liverpool, first English team

through to the quarter-finals of

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Champions League?

Yes we could have

four British teams through with

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Manchester City, Chelsea and

Tottenham in action over the coming

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weeks. Liverpool comfortable last

night and they won the first leg in

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Porto 5-0. So a they were just

keeping an eye on the draw on

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Friday. This was the best chance of

the game. Mane hitting the post. 0-0

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it finished. Jurgen Klopp making

five changes, the likes of Salah and

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van Dijk and Klopp saying they

deserved to be going well in the

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Champions League.

I think this year

we belong there to be honest. It

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should not be a big surprise. And

next round will be very difficult. I

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think that is clear. We have a lot

of good teams. Seven other very good

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teams will be then involved.

It is

the first time Liverpool have made

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the quarter finals since 2009. Look

at those flares in Paris last night.

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Ronaldo killing the game off. Real

won the first game 2-1 and they

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secured their place in the

quarter-finals. Tonight, its all

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about two English teams. Manchester

City are 4-0 up against Basel. But

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Tottenham take on Juventus, 2-2 from

the first leg. Spurs came back from

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2-0 down. A big night for Mauricio

Pochettino's side. From midnight,

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BBC Two you can watch England's

women in action. A point against the

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United States will guarantee that

England win the tournament. What a

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start that would be to the reign of

Phil Neville as England women's

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manager. They beat France last

Thursday. They came from behind to

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draw with Germany on Sunday. So

looking healthy for Phil Neville as

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he settles into that new job. This

what he has lined up for his squad.

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As a treat. Win or lose. This is

where they're heading.

We are

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sending them to Disneyland on

Thursday. That is the treat we have

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done. They leave half 7 and they

have three or four hours in

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Disneyland. It is a once in a

lifetime opportunity for the

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players, because of their schedules,

it is rare they get long enough. So

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they have three or four hours there.

With Micky Mouse and Donald duck!

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Lifting the she believes trophy we

hope and hanging out with Donald

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Duck and Micky Mouse!

Seems a bit

random to me, but what do I know?

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When you're trying to buy

tickets for a music

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or sporting event and miss out,

many of us turn to other websites

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promising to sell us

those tickets instead.

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The websites claim they

are an "official site",

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with a "100% guarantee"

of getting tickets.

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But that's not always the case,

often the price you see at the start

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of a transaction is not the same

as the price you pay at the end.

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Today, the Advertising Standards

Authority is clamping down

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on misleading pricing practices

by secondary ticketing providers

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and taking action against four

of the main operators -

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StubHub UK, Viagogo AG,

Seatwave Ltd, and GET ME IN!Ltd.

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We've been following this story

since January last year.

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Here's Chi Chi Izundu's

report from then.

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There are more and more sites where

you can get hold of a ticket for a

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gig or show, but it seems it's

getting more and more difficult to

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get one that could be down to the

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proliferation of it's not just fans

uploading.

We're working with one

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artist openly advertising, tickets.

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# Let me entertain you #.

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Ticketmaster confirmed to me

that that artist is,

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in fact, Robbie Williams.

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Here is a ticket you can buy

on Ticketmaster's website.

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I'm feeling flush, so let's

get some good seats -

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level one, block one

to six sounds good.

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£95 each.

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Let's see on the secondary website.

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These tickets are direct

from the event organiser,

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very similar seats, one block over

from the stage, at £160 each.

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This is not a resale ticket.

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It is being sold for the first time

on a secondary site.

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Ticketmaster say these platinum

tickets are the best seats

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in the house but confirmed they come

with no extra perks.

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But there is a £65 difference

between these two very similar

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seats, even though they both come

directly from the event organisers.

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Now, Robbie and his management

aren't doing anything illegal,

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they're not breaking

any laws or any rules.

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But some people have said

that this is just greedy.

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In 2015, a number of promoters

and artist managers signed an open

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letter to the Government,

asking them to take a harsher stance

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on the secondary ticketing market.

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Harvey Goldsmith, who has promoted

acts like Michael Jackson

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and Madonna, signed it,

and we pointed out

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another signature.

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I think it is wrong, but hopefully,

most of the people who have signed

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the petition are acting honourably

and do everything that they can do

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to prevent tickets being sold

on the secondary market.

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Ticketmaster say they are being

transparent but it does seem you pay

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more for a ticket for no real

reason when you can get

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a similar one cheaper.

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And despite numerous

requests for a statement,

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Robbie's management team,

ie:music, haven't responded.

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Let's speak to Craig Jones,

the director of communications at

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the Advertising Standards Authority

which is clamping down on misleading

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pricing practices Adam Webb,

is the campaigns manager

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for the Fanfair Alliance,

which was established to unite

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the music and creative community

to take a stand against

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industrial-scale online ticket

touting Claire Turnham,

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who tried to buy Ed Sheeran tickets

for her son's 16th birthday.

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She was overcharged by £1,150,

and the episode has led her to take

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up a campaign against Viagogo,

the secondary ticket website

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she used And Michael Waterson,

a Professor of Economics

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at the University of Warwick.

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He led the independent review

into the effectiveness of consumer

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protection measures applicable

to sellers and purchasers

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of tickets for music,

sporting and cultural events

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in the UK.

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Thank you for joining us. Claire,

£1150 overcharge stop added this

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happen?

I was on the viagogo

website. I thought I was paying a

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certain amount. By the time I went

to the transaction, it was around

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£1400.

What was the extra money for?

The tickets were listed as per

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ticket, £260 per ticket. And there

was an additional £350 golf

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magazines, which were not disclosed.

Wow. -- for fees, which were not

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disclosed. What have you found?

The

rulings say that the price you pay

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at the end needs to be the price you

were promised at the beginning. It

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is not fair on people to smuggle in

extra delivery charges, extra

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booking charges, with the JT

sometimes, as well, which really

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pushes things up. Many people will

be familiar with the experience of

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being attracted to an offer, wanting

to get into it, becoming

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psychologically committed because

you have started the process. --

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with value-added tax sometimes, as

well. Other claims were made which

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we found to be misleading, including

the idea that the tickets were from

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the official provider and they were

100% guaranteed of entry. We found

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them to be misleading. They are

banned from today. There needs to be

0:20:210:20:26

change in the sector.

The 100%

guarantee, is that because you might

0:20:260:20:31

get tickets with somebody else's

name on, and unique identification,

0:20:310:20:34

and then you cannot get in, things

like that?

In this example it wasn't

0:20:340:20:38

Ed Sheeran concert. He's one of the

artist who has said if you haven't

0:20:380:20:43

bought it from the official primary

provided you are not guaranteed to

0:20:430:20:48

get in because of the kinds of

problems people are experiencing.

0:20:480:20:51

Does it say that on your ticket? If

you get it from somewhere like

0:20:510:20:57

viagogo?

The problem with them is

that they said it was 100%

0:20:570:21:00

guaranteed. We found that to be

misleading. That is one of the

0:21:000:21:06

claims which from today is banned.

Adam Gemili complained to the ASA

0:21:060:21:11

can have your concerns been

addressed -- Adam, you have

0:21:110:21:15

complained to.

Yes. And Claire's

experience is so common with people

0:21:150:21:21

who get ripped off on these sites.

People are drawn to them by Google

0:21:210:21:26

advertising. Viagogo Can outbid

everybody else to appear at the top

0:21:260:21:31

of the search because they charge so

much. People do not realise they are

0:21:310:21:35

on a secondary ticket selling site.

And there is this pricing issue. You

0:21:350:21:41

start off at one price, then just

before you hit pay all of these

0:21:410:21:44

extra fees are added in. People

think they are spending £200, and it

0:21:440:21:49

is £1000, something like that.

Did

you get your money back?

I was one

0:21:490:21:53

of the lucky ones. I did. I

campaigned for my money back. Then I

0:21:530:21:58

started helping other people.

Did

you know you were on a secondary

0:21:580:22:04

ticket website?

Know, and I didn't

even know what that was. I'd done a

0:22:040:22:08

lot of research. -- no, and I didn't

even know. I thought I was on an

0:22:080:22:13

official site. I was misled. Because

the advert I saw used the word

0:22:130:22:18

official. It also said tickets were

available. And it was in a presale.

0:22:180:22:22

I had no reason to assume the

tickets had been sold before.

In

0:22:220:22:26

that case, should there be a stop,

for example, on certain websites

0:22:260:22:33

selling tickets at all. Let's say

there are two websites you can go

0:22:330:22:38

to, you might get a verified sign,

like on Twitter, then everybody can

0:22:380:22:41

know that you must go to this

website.

Some artists are choosing

0:22:410:22:46

to do that, sell them a critic it's

through that kind of model. We are

0:22:460:22:50

saying it is important that people

are being upfront with consumers.

0:22:500:22:54

The claim that was made, the 100%

guarantee one, is one of the ones we

0:22:540:22:59

have banned. If we see that again

from one particular provider, or

0:22:590:23:03

others, we will take action, up to

and including enforcement with

0:23:030:23:09

trading standards to prosecute. We

hopefully will not get to that

0:23:090:23:12

position.

I have now helped

thousands and thousands of people.

0:23:120:23:18

They all tell a familiar story.

I

want to bring in Professor Michael

0:23:180:23:24

Waterson. You did an independent

review into this. Are you frustrated

0:23:240:23:28

we are still in this situation where

you have done a review point of all

0:23:280:23:31

of this out?

It's taken quite a long

time. It is gradually being taken.

0:23:310:23:40

The ASA's actions is one of those

actions. Google has also recently

0:23:400:23:44

taken action. Regarding the

secondary sites. They are going to

0:23:440:23:51

make them comply with new

regulations on Google. And also, as

0:23:510:24:00

you probably know, trading standards

are taking some action in the

0:24:000:24:03

consumer market authority. Gradually

things are changing in the market.

0:24:030:24:08

But it has taken quite a while since

my report came out in May 2016.

0:24:080:24:15

Explain to us what those changes

would be on Google. Adam pointed out

0:24:150:24:19

that very often if you do a Google

search for tickets for a certain

0:24:190:24:23

event, the secondary ticketing

websites will come at the top.

It's

0:24:230:24:29

similar to the ASA, that they must

make it clear that they are a

0:24:290:24:36

secondary site. They must make it

clear what the official price of the

0:24:360:24:43

ticket is, and so on. It's quite

similar.

Adam, do you think that is

0:24:430:24:48

enough?

With Google there is an

ongoing conversation. It is great

0:24:480:24:54

that they are engaged. Their

certification scheme, viagogo have

0:24:540:25:03

stopped using the disclosure that

they need to get it, but I think

0:25:030:25:10

Google need to do more. And the

adverts. They need to disclose what

0:25:100:25:14

these companies are. In the context

of a ticketing sale, if it doesn't

0:25:140:25:23

say at the top of the website that

it is a secondary site, people will

0:25:230:25:26

still get misled. It is a

conversation with Google that needs

0:25:260:25:28

to continue.

I went on viagogo last

night, they have pressuring tactics

0:25:280:25:35

on there. You go on, there is a

price, it is a specific seat on a

0:25:350:25:40

specific row, then you click on it,

but suddenly the tickets are

0:25:400:25:45

disappearing and it looks like they

are being sold incredibly quickly.

0:25:450:25:49

And you almost get into a panic. I

wasn't even buying a ticket. I was

0:25:490:25:53

just looking. Should those tactics

be allowed?

No. And if those tickets

0:25:530:25:58

were on sale on the first date then

you really do believe... I did, I

0:25:580:26:02

thought I was buying the last four

tickets available. I went from this

0:26:020:26:06

feeling of joy and excitement to

sudden panic and shock that this had

0:26:060:26:10

happened to me.

Nigel Huddleston,

one of the MPs from the select

0:26:100:26:14

committee report, he described

viagogo as a psychologically

0:26:140:26:21

manipulative website, one of the

worst he had seen. This pressure

0:26:210:26:24

tactics is something the CMA have

extended their investigation on.

0:26:240:26:33

Government is also concerned about

this. Politicians are talking about

0:26:330:26:36

it a lot. We see the intervention of

the ASA on the rulings as a way to

0:26:360:26:42

strongly push this agenda. There

needs to be a change of practice

0:26:420:26:46

amongst the providers. But we will

also be monitoring the rest of the

0:26:460:26:49

market. We will take action if we

see people continuing this bad

0:26:490:26:54

practice. Another piece of good news

is that if people have your

0:26:540:26:57

experience, Claire, and want to make

a complaint to the ASA, it just

0:26:570:27:02

takes one complaint to see an

investigation started and

0:27:020:27:04

potentially the banning of an ad.

But we will be watching proactively,

0:27:040:27:09

as well.

What we could possibly do

is add your details to our guidance.

0:27:090:27:12

Because we have guidance helping

people with refunds.

Let me read you

0:27:120:27:17

some messages coming in about

people's experiences. Thanks for

0:27:170:27:21

getting in touch. Darren says

picking up on the ticketing issue, I

0:27:210:27:24

am travelling to Paris this weekend,

I am staying over two nights for the

0:27:240:27:29

six Nations game. For less money in

total than two tickets for England's

0:27:290:27:33

home games at Twickenham via a

third-party ticketing website. That

0:27:330:27:38

is travel, train from Derby to

London the Madeira star, and

0:27:380:27:41

accommodation, but clearly not wine.

-- the Eurostar. Mike says I always

0:27:410:27:49

go to the official venue site and

follow their links to tickets. If

0:27:490:27:53

nothing else it gives you an idea of

how much the official tickets cost.

0:27:530:27:57

So if you go elsewhere and you have

an idea of how much the prices have

0:27:570:28:01

been inflated. Do not click pay

until each page has finished

0:28:010:28:05

refreshing.

That sounds like sound advice. Thank

0:28:050:28:07

you all for coming in today. We

contacted all four companies

0:28:070:28:14

mentioned by ASA, none would join us

on the programme, but some sent

0:28:140:28:17

messages.

0:28:170:28:22

messages. Stubhub Gave a statement.

We welcome this opportunity to work

0:28:240:28:27

closely with the ASA and will be

fully complied with its decision. We

0:28:270:28:32

hope other players in the ticketing

industry, including primary issue

0:28:320:28:36

was, follow suit. -- issuers, follow

suit. Ticketmaster Says our

0:28:360:28:47

customers know the price at every

stage. We will continue to work with

0:28:470:28:54

both the ASA and the CMA to develop

levels of transparency and consumer

0:28:540:28:58

protection within the UK ticketing

sector. Viagogo Did not respond our

0:28:580:29:05

request for interview or comment.

Did you see this amazing picture of

0:29:050:29:16

Parker Curry? It went viral...

0:29:160:29:22

Thinking about all of the young

people. Particularly girls, and

0:29:350:29:40

goals of colour, who in years ahead

will come to this place and they

0:29:400:29:43

will look up and they will see an

image of someone who looks like them

0:29:430:29:48

hanging on the wall.

0:29:480:29:52

She already knew who Michelle

Obama was, so it was

0:29:570:29:59

quite exciting to have

the portrait unveiled.

0:29:590:30:03

# Shake it off #.

0:30:030:30:10

Did you have a good

time with her?

0:30:100:30:12

Yes.

0:30:120:30:13

What did you guys do?

0:30:130:30:14

Danced.

0:30:140:30:15

You danced?

0:30:150:30:16

Yeah, la, la, la.

0:30:160:30:17

I like her dress.

0:30:170:30:24

Could she be more gorgeous?

0:30:250:30:26

Still to come.

0:30:260:30:27

We'll be speaking to

one women who realised

0:30:270:30:29

she was the victim of a coercive

controlling relationship

0:30:290:30:31

after listening to an episode

of the Archers which showed

0:30:310:30:34

similarities with her own life.

0:30:340:30:39

And would you go to a botox party.

How safe is it?

0:30:390:30:49

Time for the latest

news - here's Annita.

0:30:510:30:53

The BBC News headlines this morning.

0:30:530:30:54

The government's emergency

committee, Cobra,

0:30:540:30:56

will be briefed this morning

on the police investigation

0:30:560:31:00

into the suspected poisoning

of a former Russian

0:31:000:31:04

agent in Salisbury.

0:31:040:31:08

Sergei Skripal and his

daughter Yulia remain

0:31:080:31:11

in a critical condition in hospital

after being found unconscious

0:31:110:31:13

on a park bench on Sunday.

0:31:130:31:14

Scientists at the military research

facility at Porton Down are carrying

0:31:140:31:17

out tests to discover what made them

so violently ill.

0:31:170:31:20

The top economic adviser

to the White House,

0:31:200:31:22

Gary Cohn, has resigned -

after failing to persuade

0:31:220:31:24

President Trump not to impose

significant tariffs on imports

0:31:240:31:27

of steel and aluminium.

0:31:270:31:28

Mr Cohn was regarded

by many business leaders

0:31:280:31:30

as a moderating influence

in the administration.

0:31:300:31:32

He's the latest in a long

line of people who've

0:31:320:31:34

left the White House.

0:31:340:31:40

The United States has concluded

that Kim Jong-un' half

0:31:400:31:43

brother was killed by a chemical

attack in Malaysia on the orders

0:31:430:31:46

of the North Korean government.

0:31:460:31:47

Kim Jong-nam died

0:31:470:31:49

after an encounter at Kuala Lumpur

airport last year, when two

0:31:490:31:51

women smeared his face

with VX nerve agent.

0:31:510:31:53

The women, who say they believed

they were carrying out

0:31:530:31:56

a prank for a TV show,

are on trial for murder.

0:31:560:32:02

Up to 15 people have been

injured after two double

0:32:020:32:05

decker buses crashed

in Manchester city centre.

0:32:050:32:09

It happened at 7.30 this morning

0:32:090:32:11

on Minshull Street at junction

of Aytoun Street outside

0:32:110:32:13

the Holiday Inn.

0:32:130:32:14

Greater Manchester police say

most injuries are minor,

0:32:140:32:16

one person is thought to have more

serious injuries

0:32:160:32:18

The Chancellor Philip

Hammond will today

0:32:180:32:20

outline his vision of an EU free

trade deal for the financial

0:32:200:32:23

services sector after Brexit.

0:32:230:32:26

Mr Hammond, who wants special access

0:32:260:32:30

to the EU's single market,

is expected to use his speech

0:32:300:32:33

in London to focus on an agreement

which he says will be of mutual

0:32:330:32:36

interest to both parties.

0:32:360:32:37

The European Commission has

previously said that a free trade

0:32:370:32:39

deal including the City

is not an option.

0:32:390:32:43

Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince,

Mohammed Bin Salman,

0:32:430:32:45

is beginning a three-day

visit to Britain.

0:32:450:32:48

We'll have lunch with

the Queen and hold talks

0:32:480:32:50

with the Prime Minister.

0:32:500:32:55

The Government regards Saudi Arabia

as an important strategic ally,

0:32:550:32:58

but protest marches are planned

by campaign groups angered

0:32:580:33:00

by the war in Yemen, where

the Kingdom is fighting rebels.

0:33:000:33:03

That's a summary

0:33:070:33:08

of the latest BBC News.

0:33:080:33:13

A lot of you getting in touch about

secondary ticketing web-sites. Lots

0:33:130:33:21

of you with thoughts on that. Steve

said, why can't people be

0:33:210:33:26

responsible for shopping around

themselves? Some shops charge more

0:33:260:33:30

for the same item. Paul said

secondary ticket sellers are touts

0:33:300:33:35

and should be closed down. Now some

Sport with Wilf.

England's one-day

0:33:350:33:44

series with New Zealand will be

decided on Friday after New Zealand

0:33:440:33:49

won the latest match. Bairstow and

Root both hit centuries, but England

0:33:490:33:55

lost eight wickets for 46 runs.

Taylor made 181 for New Zealand and

0:33:550:34:03

Nichols smashed a six to level the

series. Jurgen Klopp said Liverpool

0:34:030:34:07

belong in the Champions League

quarter-finals after a goalless

0:34:070:34:10

second leg at Anfield give them a

5-0 aggregate win over Porto. Also

0:34:100:34:20

in the last eight, Real Madrid, who

made Paris 2-1. Ronaldo on the score

0:34:200:34:28

sheet again. England's women can win

the She believes cup if they draw

0:34:280:34:35

with the United States tonight. Phil

Neville's side beat France last

0:34:350:34:41

Thursday and then drew with Germany

on Sunday. We will have more for you

0:34:410:34:47

at 10 o'clock.

Thank you.

0:34:470:34:55

This morning -

0:34:550:34:56

we get a rare insight

0:34:560:34:58

into what it's like to be

in a coercive controlling

0:34:580:35:00

relationship.

0:35:000:35:01

It's only now that she is in her 60s

that Helen Walmsley-Johnson has been

0:35:010:35:04

able to share her experience

of a relationship that she had

0:35:040:35:10

in her 40s, during which she says

she was the victim of coercive

0:35:100:35:13

control and violence.

0:35:130:35:18

Helen Walmsley-Johnson has written

a book about her experience called

0:35:180:35:20

"Look What You Made Me Do"

and is here today to speak

0:35:200:35:23

exclusively in her first in-depth

broadcast interview on the book's

0:35:230:35:25

publication

0:35:250:35:27

I had been working free lance, but

was offered a full-time job at a

0:35:270:35:31

hospital and had taken that for some

security. Then my daughter's father,

0:35:310:35:38

who we hadn't seen for eight years,

suddenly reappeared. He bumped into

0:35:380:35:51

my eldest girl. So that sort of

brought him back into our lives.

0:35:510:35:54

Which I felt was right, because he

is their father and should be

0:35:540:35:57

involved in it.

You were feeling

vulnerable?

Well, I had this sort of

0:35:570:36:04

constant feeling that everything

was... I think a love us get this,

0:36:040:36:09

that everything is about to unravel.

I would wake up in a panic. But once

0:36:090:36:14

I got going, I was fine.

So what did

Frank give to you? Security?

Well he

0:36:140:36:22

was supposed to be a diversion. He

was, I wasn't looking for a

0:36:220:36:27

long-term relationship. He He was

suppose to be a bit of a treat to

0:36:270:36:33

me. But what he quickly started to

do was fill that gap where you have

0:36:330:36:40

friends around you and you have got

family and friends and so you're not

0:36:400:36:44

alone. You're not isolated, but

you're missing that intimate

0:36:440:36:52

closeness that a relationship will

give you. That kind of relationship.

0:36:520:36:56

So you got that initially.

I got

that initially, yes.

But then the

0:36:560:37:02

warning signs started to arrive?

Yes, but nay they didn't start

0:37:020:37:09

quickly. There was things at the

beginning. This is the thing about

0:37:090:37:16

coercive control. The first date,

where I was talking talking to

0:37:160:37:22

somebody, another man when Frank

went to get the coats. When he came

0:37:220:37:25

back he said, I can't leave you

alone for a second. Which is fine.

0:37:250:37:30

That is what everybody you know it

is not unusual. He wouldn't take my

0:37:300:37:35

phone number when I offered it. He

said he would call me. I thought

0:37:350:37:40

that is irritating, but I'm not

going to let that get to me. I

0:37:400:37:44

lasted three days and called him.

Because tall, French, handsome and

0:37:440:37:51

very quickly he sort of filled that

role of support. So a lot of love.

0:37:510:37:58

He was engaged. He told me that.

So... But I didn't feel, I was free,

0:37:580:38:04

that is up to him. But he fell in

love with me, he said. But he

0:38:040:38:14

started just little things like... I

wasn't allowed to walk around the

0:38:140:38:20

house bare-footed. Because he said

it was dirty. He didn't like onion

0:38:200:38:26

and garlic, so I couldn't cook

anything with onions and garlic in

0:38:260:38:29

it. Then he took me shopping and

bought me something beautiful,

0:38:290:38:38

bought me a beautiful coat and then

got me to try it on and say he would

0:38:380:38:48

decide whether I could keep it.

It

was gradual.

Very gradual.

People

0:38:480:38:55

would say, that is, you would notice

that. I'm interested he did have a

0:38:550:38:59

list of things that you weren't

allowed to do. You had to pick up

0:38:590:39:02

the phone when he called within

three or four rings.

That was a big

0:39:020:39:09

bone of contention that I never

heard the phone. If it is in your

0:39:090:39:12

bag and you're in a busy street you

may not hear it. When I did answer

0:39:120:39:17

it, I had to go somewhere quiet

immediately so I could hear what he

0:39:170:39:22

was saying. He didn't want to feel

that I was talking to anybody else

0:39:220:39:27

but him when I was on the phone. So

I wouldn't be distracted by, if I

0:39:270:39:33

was with friends or somebody like

that, there was nobody else to be

0:39:330:39:38

involved in the conversation.

A

couple of things that struck me, was

0:39:380:39:43

the gym routine and you dropped from

a size 12 to size 8 because of the

0:39:430:39:49

gym. And a time you went to a

restaurant with colleagues and he

0:39:490:39:52

was waiting outside and you had 22

missed calls.

Yes. Because I have

0:39:520:40:00

all this material at home, the

reason I can be so detailed, because

0:40:000:40:03

I have kept everything that he

wrote. We wrote to each other a lot.

0:40:030:40:08

I kept my diary, so I knew what I

was doing when I was doing. I have a

0:40:080:40:16

note books. We left each other

messages. A lot of things that you

0:40:160:40:21

remember, you're not always reck it

accurately. I had always thought the

0:40:210:40:25

letter were love letters and they're

not. But all that is in there. 22

0:40:250:40:32

missed calls and messages, where are

you? And you know where I am. You're

0:40:320:40:37

standing outside looking in. You can

see me. So it is a control. He

0:40:370:40:42

wanted me to come straightaway. He

said I could go. By then I wasn't

0:40:420:40:48

doing anything without asking his

permission first. You do that in a

0:40:480:40:51

normal relationship. Is it OK if I

go and have din we are my friends

0:40:510:40:56

and say, yeah, that is fine. So he

unusually said I could go. But then

0:40:560:41:01

he turns up outside...

Your family

and friends never said.

I never told

0:41:010:41:06

them. They didn't like him. But they

probably wouldn't have said... I

0:41:060:41:12

don't remember. The only people I

remember saying anything were my

0:41:120:41:18

daughters - didn't like him. He

didn't like them. That is

0:41:180:41:20

understandable. But by that time you

see the whole love thing, the

0:41:200:41:25

sweeping you off your feet, and

charming the socks off you happens

0:41:250:41:32

very quickly. The control part comes

in very slowly under all that. So by

0:41:320:41:39

the time that is getting a grip on

you, you are completely and utterly

0:41:390:41:46

head over heels in love and you have

seen that man, so you think well

0:41:460:41:51

I've only got to do this which he

wants me to do and then I will get

0:41:510:41:58

that man back and that is the give

and take is a distorted version of a

0:41:580:42:03

normal relationship. It sort of bent

out of shape.

So that is why you

0:42:030:42:09

didn't walk away. People may say he

was controlling and he turned

0:42:090:42:13

violent.

Yes.

And yet you didn't

walk away. Was it for that search to

0:42:130:42:20

find the man you fell in love with

at the start?

Yes, but by that time

0:42:200:42:25

he moved me in with him. My home

life disintegrated. So I was living

0:42:250:42:31

with him. And I had no, so he was

controlling me all the time. I had

0:42:310:42:37

no independent thought by then. I

couldn't do anything. I don't know

0:42:370:42:42

whether I was... Actually frightened

of him. I read something... In the

0:42:420:42:50

first review that came through that

said it was bizarre I asked him to

0:42:500:42:55

phone me in sick when I was taking

to day, I felt terrible and I was

0:42:550:42:59

trying to get away from him to get

some peace. I didn't think it was

0:42:590:43:03

bizarre at all. That just hadn't

occurred to me that was bizarre to

0:43:030:43:07

ask the man I was trying to get away

from to phone my employers and tell

0:43:070:43:11

them I wasn't well.

You didn't

realise that you were in this

0:43:110:43:17

coercive relationship until you saw

a plot line on the Archers on the

0:43:170:43:22

radio. For people who are not

familiar. Maybe we can look at that.

0:43:220:43:30

Tell me... I just want to

understand.

I know it looks funny.

A

0:43:300:43:37

bit more than funny. You planned an

afternoon out with Henry.

On the

0:43:370:43:42

blackberry line. He loved it.

On a

steam train with Henry?

Yes.

And

0:43:420:43:49

with Kirsty?

Yes.

Behind my back?

Deceiving me.

Don't say that.

Lying

0:43:490:43:55

to me about it and lying to the

school as well?

Sorry I'm sorry.

0:43:550:44:02

That was Helen and Rob from the

Archers, it is interesting to watch

0:44:020:44:08

your face during that.

I could feel

my insides going. That is the effect

0:44:080:44:13

that story line had on me, when I

realised what was happening to Helen

0:44:130:44:20

I felt something all in inside.

Because it was so familiar. Just

0:44:200:44:25

exactly the way it is. They were

very good with that.

If people are

0:44:250:44:29

watching this now, and they have had

that reaction that you just spoke

0:44:290:44:33

of, whether listening to that an the

radio or listening to you speak,

0:44:330:44:36

what would you say to people is the

best thing, the first thing they can

0:44:360:44:41

do.

Phone Refugee or Women's Aid.

Phone the help lines. I have been to

0:44:410:44:49

a refuge after a wrote a piece for

the New Statesman, following the

0:44:490:44:58

Archers thing and seeing that

operation was so reassuring and

0:44:580:45:02

comforting and they are so good.

Phone Women's Aid or phone Refuge.

0:45:020:45:08

If you're that much in the clutches

of someone controlling you, is it

0:45:080:45:14

easy to pick up the phone?

No,

because you're being watched all the

0:45:140:45:17

time and you will need to have

several goes to be able to

0:45:170:45:22

articulate it. The whole, the way...

It works is that you are controlled

0:45:220:45:30

into silence so you can't speak

about it and it is the shame of it

0:45:300:45:33

that you have allowed... I say you

have allowed it. It has happened to

0:45:330:45:38

you. You haven't allowed anything to

happen. It is not your fault. So

0:45:380:45:42

it... Is very hard to... Actually

say the words that I was in this

0:45:420:45:54

kind of relationship and this is

what happened to me and this what is

0:45:540:45:57

he did to me. It is humiliating and

shame and you feel guilt as well.

0:45:570:46:04

But the biggest thing is the shame.

Sorry about the glitch during that

0:46:040:46:17

conversation.

0:46:170:46:18

And if you want any

information on sources of support -

0:46:180:46:20

you can find a list of helplines

that can offer you advice

0:46:200:46:23

at bbc.co.uk/actionline.

0:46:230:46:24

Coming up...

0:46:240:46:25

As ministers hold

an emergency meeting

0:46:250:46:27

about the suspected poisoning

of a former Russian spy

0:46:270:46:29

and his daughter in Wiltshire,

we get the inside track on UK-Russia

0:46:290:46:33

relations from the writer behind

the hit TV thriller McMafia.

0:46:330:46:38

We have heard about Botox.

Injections which relax facial

0:46:380:46:43

muscles, supposedly making you look

younger. It is only supposed to be

0:46:430:46:46

given by someone medically trained

and anybody having the treatment is

0:46:460:46:52

supposed to be warned about side

effects but it doesn't always

0:46:520:46:55

happen. In BBC Three documentary has

uncovered a murky world about

0:46:550:47:00

backstreet injectors who perform

without following the rules. Let's

0:47:000:47:02

take a look.

0:47:020:47:05

If you want Botox, you should

ideally go to a trained

0:47:050:47:07

medical professional.

0:47:070:47:09

They will assess whether it's

suitable for you, tell you the risks

0:47:090:47:11

and write you a prescription before

giving you the treatment.

0:47:110:47:15

You can go to a beautician

for the injection but it is illegal

0:47:150:47:19

for a beautician to supply Botox

that hasn't been prescribed for you,

0:47:190:47:21

so you also need to see a doctor,

dentist or prescribing nurse

0:47:210:47:24

for your consultation

and prescription first.

0:47:240:47:26

This must be done face-to-face.

0:47:260:47:27

If you're prescribed Botox

about a face-to-face

0:47:270:47:29

medical consultation,

it's against stricter

0:47:290:47:30

General Medical Council guidance.

0:47:300:47:37

Despite this, I've heard it's

happening at thousands

0:47:370:47:39

of appointments across the UK.

0:47:390:47:42

I'm told beauticians regularly offer

Botox which hasn't been properly

0:47:420:47:45

prescribed but I need proof,

so I've put some appointments

0:47:450:47:53

-- prescribed but I need proof,

so I've booked some appointments

0:47:530:47:55

using the fake name Lucy.

0:47:550:47:58

I'm going to go under cover

because I think if I go

0:47:580:48:00

in and say I'm a journalist,

they might follow procedure.

0:48:000:48:07

I will find out what happens when

people put these appointments

0:48:070:48:11

normally.

0:48:110:48:18

I want to check whether

they're qualified medics.

0:48:200:48:27

I checked and she isn't a licensed

nurse, so I should first see

0:48:290:48:33

a qualified medic to get

the required prescription.

0:48:330:48:36

Needles come out quickly,

so I fake a sudden needle phobia.

0:48:500:48:58

Both those beauticians

were about to give me Botox

0:49:060:49:11

without a proper consultation

with a prescriber, and one

0:49:110:49:13

of them told me that

she's a registered nurse.

0:49:130:49:16

I looked her up on the register

and she's not on it.

0:49:160:49:20

Posing as a registered medical

professional is a criminal offence

0:49:200:49:22

and our evidence shows that's

exactly what she's doing.

0:49:220:49:26

They told me there were no risks,

no side effects, and they made it

0:49:260:49:30

seem like a very casual thing

that everyone's doing.

0:49:300:49:37

To see if it really

is what everyone's doing,

0:49:400:49:42

I'm on my way to a Botox party

in Windsor, where a legitimate

0:49:420:49:45

prescriber is present.

0:49:450:49:46

Hi.

0:49:460:49:48

I'm Dr Sherpao.

0:49:480:49:49

Hi, Dr Sherpao.

0:49:490:49:50

So, how are you all feeling?

0:49:500:49:51

Good.

0:49:510:49:52

Good.

0:49:520:49:56

The champagne may be

non-alcoholic, but there's

0:49:560:49:58

still a party atmosphere.

0:49:580:50:01

How old are you guys?

0:50:010:50:02

I'm 23.

0:50:020:50:03

23.

0:50:030:50:04

27.

0:50:040:50:05

27.

0:50:050:50:06

21.

0:50:060:50:07

21.

0:50:070:50:08

Yeah.

0:50:080:50:09

You're not having

any Botox, are you?

0:50:090:50:11

I'm not, no.

0:50:110:50:12

Are you tempted?

0:50:120:50:13

A little bit, to see

what the fuss is about.

0:50:130:50:16

When was the first time you had it?

0:50:160:50:17

Was that four months ago?

0:50:170:50:19

No, when I was, like, 18.

0:50:190:50:20

No way.

0:50:200:50:23

I've had it for, like, five years.

0:50:230:50:25

Do you think people see it

as convenient as they would getting

0:50:250:50:28

their nails or their eyelashes done?

0:50:280:50:29

Yeah.

0:50:290:50:30

People want their nails

done, their hair done,

0:50:300:50:32

their eyelashes done,

their lips done, Botox.

0:50:320:50:34

It's all part of that

whole confidence boost.

0:50:340:50:36

So, in total, how many people do

you think you know who have Botox?

0:50:360:50:39

Over 100.

0:50:390:50:40

Over 100?

0:50:400:50:41

Yeah, everybody.

0:50:410:50:42

I feel like I am the only one

that doesn't any more.

0:50:420:50:50

Ellie Flynn -

who's the reporter

0:50:540:50:56

on that investigation -

is here now.

0:50:560:51:03

We can also speak to

Ashton Collins - from Save Face -

0:51:030:51:06

a government approved register

of legitimate practitioners

0:51:060:51:07

who carry out treatments like Botox.

0:51:070:51:09

Did you find what you expected to

find when he started out on this

0:51:090:51:12

investigation?

I didn't really know

what I expected. I had tips this was

0:51:120:51:17

happening on a huge scale. But I was

definitely surprised by how common

0:51:170:51:21

it seems to be that Botox is being

provided without the rules being

0:51:210:51:25

followed.

Have you got a sense of

how widespread it is that people who

0:51:250:51:31

are not medically qualified, you

haven't been for a consultation, is

0:51:310:51:38

carrying out these procedures?

It

seems to be common from our

0:51:380:51:41

investigation. Most of the

beauticians we went to go and meet

0:51:410:51:46

come I didn't have a consultation

with a doctor before. They didn't

0:51:460:51:50

ask for any of my details before I

went to the appointment. It was just

0:51:500:51:53

on the day, I popped in, I would

have been given Botox without an

0:51:530:51:58

appointment.

You don't have to be

medically trained to administer it,

0:51:580:52:02

but you need to have had a

consultation with a medical

0:52:020:52:05

professional beforehand.

That's

right. Legally a patient needs to

0:52:050:52:09

have a valid prescription to be

administered with Botox. That needs

0:52:090:52:15

to be following a face-to-face

consultation with a licensed

0:52:150:52:18

prescriber which is a doctor,

dentist, or a prescribing pharmacist

0:52:180:52:23

or nurse.

What struck me is how

young people are going for Botox.

0:52:230:52:29

But young woman she was 23, she said

she first had it which was 18. What

0:52:290:52:35

Doctor is saying yes I will give you

a prescription for Botox?

0:52:350:52:40

Absolutely. You get all sorts of

unethical people. Perhaps she wasn't

0:52:400:52:44

going to a doctor at that point in

time. Perhaps it was a beauty

0:52:440:52:48

therapist. You saw from the

atmosphere of that party why these

0:52:480:52:52

treatments are so trivialised. There

is almost no perception of side

0:52:520:52:59

effects, convocations, and serious

side effects. The word party and

0:52:590:53:02

injection should not go

hand-in-hand. -- complications and

0:53:020:53:06

serious side-effects.

What kinds of

side effects?

Bruising, swelling,

0:53:060:53:12

itchiness, headaches, to more

serious things where the incorrect

0:53:120:53:17

muscle is relaxed, which will make

you look like you have had a stroke,

0:53:170:53:20

leaving you with a droopy eyelids,

right through to allergic reactions.

0:53:200:53:25

You would need to be a medical

professional to identify those

0:53:250:53:29

quickly and treat them effectively.

Those Botox parties, were those

0:53:290:53:34

young women aware of the

side-effects?

There was a legitimate

0:53:340:53:39

prescriber there. There was a doctor

there. They were given warning of

0:53:390:53:42

the side-effects. But in a lot of

the cases when I was going to

0:53:420:53:46

appointments myself I wasn't really

given any idea that there were

0:53:460:53:49

side-effects. We meet with somebody

in the documentary who had a bad

0:53:490:53:54

reaction to Botox after being given

a treatment without being warned of

0:53:540:53:58

any side effects at all.

Is there a

sense this industry needs to be

0:53:580:54:04

tightened up? Is their government

interest in tightening up this

0:54:040:54:07

industry?

In short, no. It is

unregulated and not protected. They

0:54:070:54:16

declined to regulate for various

reasons. They signpost organisations

0:54:160:54:23

like ours, which is why we educate

the public on making safe choices,

0:54:230:54:28

what the risks are, and that you

should be taking these procedures

0:54:280:54:31

very seriously.

When you spoke to

these women, did you get a sense

0:54:310:54:37

this was insecurity driving this,

that they were not looking at how

0:54:370:54:41

serious this issue was? Party and

injection to go together,

0:54:410:54:50

injection to go together, like

Ashton says.

It has almost become

0:54:500:54:51

part of a trend, that look, having

Botox, it brings your eyebrows up

0:54:510:54:55

and gives you a perfect forehead.

There is probably pressure from

0:54:550:54:59

social media on young women to look

a certain way. Like the girls says

0:54:590:55:05

in that clip, it gives you that

whole package, and I think a lot of

0:55:050:55:09

young women are striving to have

that.

You can mystery shopping to

0:55:090:55:12

try and catch out bogus

practitioners.

Yes. There are

0:55:120:55:17

hundreds. That clip was a drop in

the ocean. There are hundreds of

0:55:170:55:21

training academies, they go on to

offer £99 treatments, price cuts,

0:55:210:55:31

Botox parties, they advertise on

social media. You have no idea who

0:55:310:55:38

the person is. You have a mobile

phone number, which is probably a

0:55:380:55:42

burner phone, something goes wrong,

and you cannot get in touch with the

0:55:420:55:46

person, and they could just change

their name for the next week.

You

0:55:460:55:51

say £99 is cut-price, how much is

it?

That is very cheap. You're

0:55:510:55:55

looking between £180 to £350,

depending on the number of areas.

0:55:550:56:01

One area would be between your

eyebrows, your forehead or Kroos

0:56:010:56:05

feat areas. If you go for all three

you are looking at £350.

-- Kroos

0:56:050:56:14

what was your lasting impression on

what needs to be done to the

0:56:140:56:17

industry? You said you went in

without any idea.

It needs to be

0:56:170:56:22

tightly regulated. In the end we

find a doctor who is providing Botox

0:56:220:56:26

to between 18 and 19 beauticians

across the UK. Because he is struck

0:56:260:56:36

off he falls into a grey area. He is

unregulated any more. Who is there

0:56:360:56:41

to protect those patients? That is

what needs to be done.

Thank you

0:56:410:56:45

both for coming in and talking to us

today.

0:56:450:56:49

You can watch

the documentary on the BBC Three

0:56:490:56:52

website later today.

0:56:520:56:53

A comet has come in about coercive

control relationships. -- a comment.

0:56:530:56:59

I would like to add to today's

subject anonymously. I am a husband

0:56:590:57:03

who is only now leaving my wife

after nearly 20 years of takeaway --

0:57:030:57:13

after a coercive relationship. Soon

after the marriage I lost my voice.

0:57:130:57:17

I was increasingly sidelined,

belittled, and controlled in

0:57:170:57:21

everything we did. I was like a

lobster who had been put into a pan

0:57:210:57:24

of cold water and the heat was being

applied in a subtle but

0:57:240:57:27

ever-increasing weight so I didn't

notice. When I did wake up and

0:57:270:57:32

challenge my wife and her behaviour,

she used threats and manipulation to

0:57:320:57:35

silence me. It has taken me 20 years

to pluck up the courage and finally

0:57:350:57:40

walk away. My story isn't unique but

it is important to recognise that

0:57:400:57:44

men are also affected by these types

of relationships.

0:57:440:57:48

Thank you for your bravery and

sharing your story. If you have any

0:57:480:57:53

comments, please send them in. Let's

get the latest weather now. Today

0:57:530:57:58

comments, please send them in. Let's

get the latest weather now. Today we

0:57:580:57:59

have a mixture. It is chilly in the

north where further south it is

0:57:590:58:03

quite mild. These pictures are

rather nice, this beautiful one

0:58:030:58:08

shows sunny intervals. This is from

Northampton. And we have another

0:58:080:58:12

one, another beautiful view. Some

sunshine in Lyme Regis, Dorset. The

0:58:120:58:16

forecast today is one of sunshine

and showers. Some showers are still

0:58:160:58:21

wintry, particularly so across the

north and west of the UK. What you

0:58:210:58:25

will tend to find is that they will

fizzle during the day. And the wind

0:58:250:58:29

across the far north of Scotland is

tending to ease. Low pressure still

0:58:290:58:33

in charge of our weather. You can

see this front pushing across East

0:58:330:58:36

Anglia. That will take the rain we

currently have along with it and in

0:58:360:58:40

its wake there will be cloud across

East Anglia. For much of the rest of

0:58:400:58:44

the UK it will be dry and sunny. We

will store have wintry showers at

0:58:440:58:49

times, potentially in the Outer

Hebrides and the Isle of Skye, and

0:58:490:58:53

showers over Wales, Northern

Ireland, southern England. Six to 11

0:58:530:58:58

Celsius. A much better day across

Scotland than it was yesterday. As

0:58:580:59:04

we head onto the evening and

overnight, a lot of dry weather

0:59:040:59:07

around. Still some showers. Still

the potential for them to be wintry.

0:59:070:59:13

This is producing rain and snow from

the south-west. The rain in the

0:59:130:59:17

southern extent, the snow, well, we

are expecting some in mid-2 north

0:59:170:59:21

Wales, through the Midlands, the

southern part northern England. --

0:59:210:59:27

Mitt foot North Wales. It could

travel to Lincolnshire by dawn. It

0:59:270:59:32

could come down a bit lower than 100

metres, so keep in touch with the

0:59:320:59:36

forecast because it has the

potential to be disruptive. There

0:59:360:59:42

will be the risk of ice once again

for those travelling. Tomorrow, we

0:59:420:59:46

start off with that band of rain and

snow. Edging off eventually into the

0:59:460:59:50

North Sea. Behind it, again, lots of

dry weather, a fair bit of sunshine

0:59:500:59:54

around. But still some showers

coming in from the west and some of

0:59:540:59:59

those will be wintry at higher

levels. Between seven to ten degrees

0:59:591:00:07

as we move from north to south.

Friday, lots of dry weather, some

1:00:071:00:11

snow across Scotland, tending to

ease as we go through the course of

1:00:111:00:15

the day. But a new area of low

pressure is coming in across the

1:00:151:00:19

south-west. It will introduce heavy

rain, strengthening winds, and

1:00:191:00:23

milder conditions. In the North, a

temperature range of six and seven,

1:00:231:00:29

as we sink further south nine to 11.

Getting milder in the south as we go

1:00:291:00:33

through the weekend.

1:00:331:00:37

Hello it's Wednesday,

it's 10 o'clock, I'm Chloe Tilley.

1:00:371:00:39

The mystery of the suspected

poisoning of a former Russian double

1:00:391:00:42

agent and his daughter

on UK soil deepens.

1:00:421:00:44

Ministers will hold an emergency

meeting within the hour.

1:00:441:00:50

Russia is behind it, it means

they're taking things to a whole new

1:00:501:00:54

level. This is a a declaration of

war.

1:00:541:01:00

We'll get the inside track

on relations with the Kremlin

1:01:001:01:03

from the author of "McMafia".

1:01:031:01:04

Secondary ticket websites

are having to face the music.

1:01:041:01:06

The regulator's cracking down

on the ticket resellers

1:01:061:01:08

because they say customers

are being stung by misleading claims

1:01:081:01:10

and hidden fees

1:01:101:01:12

I thought I was paying for four

tickets £260. By the time the

1:01:121:01:23

transaction happened it was £1,420.

1:01:231:01:29

We'll hear from people who shelled

out hundreds of pounds

1:01:291:01:32

over the odds for tickets.

1:01:321:01:35

And the girls fighting against the

practice of child marriages in North

1:01:351:01:41

West India.

1:01:411:01:47

Here's Annita McVeigh

in the BBC Newsroom

1:01:471:01:48

with a summary of todays news.

1:01:481:01:52

The Government's emergency

committee Cobra,

1:01:521:01:54

will be briefed this morning

on the police investigation

1:01:541:01:56

into the suspected poisoning

of a former Russian

1:01:561:01:58

agent in Salisbury.

1:01:581:02:01

Sergei Skripal and his

daughter Yulia remain

1:02:011:02:03

in a critical condition in hospital

after being found unconscious

1:02:031:02:05

on a park bench on Sunday.

1:02:051:02:06

Scientists at the military research

facility at Porton Down are carrying

1:02:061:02:09

out tests to discover what made them

so violently ill.

1:02:091:02:15

The top economic adviser

to the White House,

1:02:151:02:17

Gary Cohn, has resigned -

after failing to persuade

1:02:171:02:20

President Trump not to impose

significant tariffs on imports

1:02:201:02:22

of steel and aluminium.

1:02:221:02:24

Mr Cohn was regarded

by many business leaders

1:02:241:02:26

as a moderating influence

in the administration.

1:02:261:02:28

He's the latest in a long

line of people who've

1:02:281:02:30

left the White House.

1:02:301:02:34

The United States has concluded

that Kim Jong-un' half

1:02:341:02:36

brother was killed by a chemical

attack in Malaysia on the orders

1:02:361:02:39

of the North Korean government.

1:02:391:02:42

Kim Jong-nam died

after an encounter

1:02:421:02:44

at Kuala Lumpur airport last year,

when two women smeared his face

1:02:441:02:47

with VX nerve agent.

1:02:471:02:50

The women, who say they believed

they were carrying out

1:02:501:02:52

a prank for a TV show,

are on trial for murder.

1:02:521:02:57

Up to 15 people have been

injured after two double

1:02:571:02:59

decker buses crashed

in Manchester city centre.

1:02:591:03:03

It happened at 7.30 this morning

on Minshull Street at junction

1:03:031:03:05

of Aytoun Street outside

the Holiday Inn.

1:03:051:03:07

Greater Manchester police say

most injuries are minor,

1:03:071:03:09

one person is thought to have

more serious injuries.

1:03:091:03:16

Action is being taken against

so-called secondary ticket agencies

1:03:161:03:23

after misleading information on

their web-site.

1:03:231:03:31

their web-site. The advertising

agency says they have hidden

1:03:311:03:32

charges. It follows an investigation

by Trading Standards and the

1:03:321:03:36

competition and markets authority.

Nicola Adams, the boxer, has been

1:03:361:03:44

turned into a Barbie doll ahead of

international women's day. Nicola

1:03:441:03:52

says she is excited to be part of

series.

1:03:521:03:57

That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10.30.

1:03:571:04:05

Still to come, the Saudi crown

prince is visiting Britain.

1:04:081:04:17

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Here's some sport

now with Will Perry.

1:04:241:04:26

Get

England's one-day series with

New Zealand will go down to a

1:04:261:04:30

decider on Friday, after the hosts

won the fourth match with three

1:04:301:04:35

balls to spare. England looked set

for a huge total with Bairstow and

1:04:351:04:42

Root makes centuries, but they

collapsed later in the innings. It

1:04:421:04:46

went down to the final over, Nichols

hitting a six to seal victory for

1:04:461:04:51

New Zealand. Taylor finished on 181

not out. Despite struggling with a

1:04:511:04:58

thigh injury as well. Liverpool have

become the first English side

1:04:581:05:01

through to the quarter-finals of

Champions League. They were already

1:05:011:05:05

5-0 up from the first leg with Porto

and played out a goalless draw at

1:05:051:05:12

Anfield. Mane came closest to

scoring for Liverpool.

I think this

1:05:121:05:20

year we belong there to be honest.

It should not be a big surprise. And

1:05:201:05:28

next round will be very difficult. I

think that's clear. We have a lot of

1:05:281:05:35

good teams, seven other very good

teams will be involved.

Liverpool

1:05:351:05:40

through and plenty of flares in the

French captain capital. But PSG lost

1:05:401:05:49

2-1 to Real Madrid. Ronaldo's header

set them on course. Tottenham are

1:05:491:05:58

still unbeaten in the Champions

League this season and will look to

1:05:581:06:01

join Liverpool and Real Madrid in

the quarter-finals. Juventus stand

1:06:011:06:06

in their way tonight at Wembley. 2-2

it finished in in Turin. England

1:06:061:06:17

need a point to bin the She Believes

trophy. The toughest test is the

1:06:171:06:27

United States tonight. But how will

they celebrate if they win?

We are

1:06:271:06:31

sending them to diss never land on

Thursday morn -- Disneyland on

1:06:311:06:36

Thursday. They will leave the hotel

in the morning and they have three

1:06:361:06:40

or four hours. It is a once in a

lifetime opportunity, because of the

1:06:401:06:45

schedules, it is rare they get long

off. They have three or four hours

1:06:451:06:52

in Disneyland with Micky Mouse and

Donald Duck.

Hopefully no Micky

1:06:521:06:56

Mouse defending for England tonight

and tested continues in Barcelona

1:06:561:07:01

ahead of the new Formula One season.

You can follow that on the BBC sport

1:07:011:07:06

web-site.

Thank you.

1:07:061:07:09

The Foreign Secretary's said the UK

would respond "robustly"

1:07:091:07:11

to any evidence of Russian

involvement in the collapse

1:07:111:07:13

of former spy Sergei Skripal.

1:07:131:07:18

Mr Skripal and his daughter Yulia

are still critically ill in hospital

1:07:181:07:21

after being found unconscious

on a bench in Salisbury on Sunday.

1:07:211:07:25

Boris Johnson said he was not

pointing fingers at this stage,

1:07:251:07:27

but described Russia as "a malign

and disruptive force".

1:07:271:07:29

Russia's denied any involvement.

1:07:291:07:37

Let's take a look at

the background to this case.

1:07:371:07:44

Counterterrorism police are now

leading the investigation into why

1:07:451:07:47

a former Russian agent

and his daughter suddenly

1:07:471:07:49

fell ill in Salisbury.

1:07:491:07:51

The case in Wiltshire involving

a former spy and his daughter

1:07:511:07:55

is the latest in a series

of mysterious incidents

1:07:551:07:57

connected to Russia going

back at least 40 years.

1:07:571:08:05

In 1978, the BBC journalist

Georgi Markov was poisoned

1:08:061:08:08

using a specially adapted umbrella

while waiting for a bus

1:08:081:08:11

on Waterloo bridge in London.

1:08:111:08:17

The specially adapted umbrella shot

a tiny pellet of ricin poison

1:08:181:08:20

into the leg of Markov.

1:08:201:08:22

He died three days later.

1:08:221:08:26

He had been very critical of the

communist government of Bulgaria.

1:08:261:08:29

It has been speculated that the KGB,

the former Russian security service,

1:08:291:08:37

helped the Bulgarians

with the assassination.

1:08:381:08:40

In 2006, a former Russian spy living

in exile in Britain,

1:08:401:08:42

Alexander Litvinenko,

was killed after he drank

1:08:421:08:44

radioactive tea in a London hotel.

1:08:441:08:51

He had been a long-time critic of

Russia, particularly Vladimir Putin.

1:08:511:08:55

The poison used was a radioactive

substance called polonium-210.

1:08:551:09:00

It is impossible to source

on the open market, which is why

1:09:001:09:03

investigators believe the Russian

state was involved in the killing.

1:09:031:09:07

An inquest into his death

concluded that his murder

1:09:071:09:09

was an FSB operation.

1:09:091:09:11

Russia's FSB is a

successor to the KGB.

1:09:111:09:17

Litvinenko's body was

so radioactive, he had to be buried

1:09:171:09:19

in a lead lined coffin.

1:09:191:09:25

And as Boris Berezovsky,

another critic of President Putin.

1:09:251:09:27

In 2013, he was found hanged

in the bathroom of his home.

1:09:271:09:30

While it was first thought

Berezovsky took his own life,

1:09:301:09:33

later a coroner said he could not be

100% sure about the cause of death.

1:09:331:09:41

Let's speak now to Chris Phillips -

1:09:551:09:57

he was head of the national counter

terrorism security office

1:09:571:09:59

when Alexander Litvienko

was murdered in 2003.

1:09:591:10:04

We can also speak to Misha Glenny -

journalist and author of McMafia

1:10:041:10:07

which focuses on global crime

networks and was recently made

1:10:071:10:09

in to a BBC drama series and to Dr.

1:10:091:10:13

Victor Madeira - he's

a Senior Fellow at The Institute

1:10:131:10:19

for Statecraft who specialises

in Anglo-Russian relations.

1:10:191:10:27

Chris, what do you know, as a former

police officer, about what happened

1:10:271:10:32

in Salisbury on Sunday? Well, I

don't know very much more than you

1:10:321:10:37

do. But I know if it hadn't been for

the Alexander Litvinenko murder then

1:10:371:10:41

I think we would have been treating

this one slightly differently. I

1:10:411:10:48

think that murder showed us that it

was almost certainly the state and I

1:10:481:10:54

think it's been stated that without

really much doubt that the Russian

1:10:541:10:58

state was involved in that murder.

That has of course led us to think

1:10:581:11:04

and draw similarities with this

incident in Salisbury. I think we

1:11:041:11:08

need to bear in mind that the police

need to look at all avenues. It is

1:11:081:11:14

not just a case of deciding this is

a Russian state incident. It could

1:11:141:11:18

be someone else. It is quite

possible that someone else has done

1:11:181:11:22

this. It is important that we keep

an open mind as police officers.

1:11:221:11:29

Clearly the priority is finding out

what this substance was.

Yes and

1:11:291:11:34

when they find out that will take

them a long way into finding who

1:11:341:11:38

were the most likely culprits.

Certain poisons can only be made in

1:11:381:11:45

government-type institutions.

I want

to bring you in, Victor, what we do

1:11:451:11:51

know about Sergei Skripal to give us

background on why this may have

1:11:511:11:55

happened?

Sergei was a former

colonel in Russian military

1:11:551:12:02

intelligence and he served there

until the late nineties and he

1:12:021:12:06

resigned on the grounds of ill

health. Then he went to work for the

1:12:061:12:10

Russian foreign minute have I --

ministry. Throughout this time both

1:12:101:12:19

from the mid nineties until his

retirement from the Foreign

1:12:191:12:23

Ministry, he kept working, according

to Russian reports, for the British

1:12:231:12:28

Government, providing intelligence.

He was arrested a year after he

1:12:281:12:32

retired and went went to trial in

the 2000s and was sentenced to 13

1:12:321:12:38

years in prison.

There was the spy

swap. Which meant he ended up here

1:12:381:12:44

in the UK. Is it your view that he

would be of interest still to the

1:12:441:12:50

Russian authorities after a spy

swap?

That depends on what he has

1:12:501:12:54

been up to. If he has been doing

nothing. Then no. If this is the

1:12:541:13:01

Russians and I think Chris is right,

we have to stress that we do not

1:13:011:13:05

know who did this. We do need the

forensic evidence of the poisoning

1:13:051:13:11

and there are other circumstances a

well. But a spy swap is something

1:13:111:13:15

that is organised between

intelligence agencies and

1:13:151:13:18

governments. There are rules to it.

And it is assumed that after a spy

1:13:181:13:23

swap an incoming spy is going to

lead a retired life and not be

1:13:231:13:29

involved in intelligence or politics

or criminality or anything. So if

1:13:291:13:34

this were the Russian state and I'm

using the conditional very

1:13:341:13:39

carefully, then they may well

suspect that he's been, that he has

1:13:391:13:44

been up to something. I certainly

don't buy the idea that this is

1:13:441:13:48

system my revenge. Why do it now?

There are too many variables there.

1:13:481:13:57

So we have got to wait. But it is a

very important and for the moment

1:13:571:14:02

mysterious case.

Could it be maybe

not the Russian state, but a rogue

1:14:021:14:09

element within Russia? Or would

Vladimir Putin not allow that?

Well

1:14:091:14:14

it could be you know a McMafia-style

thing, somebody involved in

1:14:141:14:21

organised crime, but with links to

intelligence and it may be a more

1:14:211:14:25

personal thing. The one speculation

that we have had and I stress it is

1:14:251:14:30

speculation is about the substance

it is might be Fentanyl a synthetic

1:14:301:14:41

opioid that is causing problems in

America and killing lots of people.

1:14:411:14:45

It is easy, you only need a bit of

Fentanyl to kill somebody. It is

1:14:451:14:51

easy to drop that in a cup of tea.

If it was Fentanyl, it could have

1:14:511:14:56

been anybody. That you can buy on

the open market.

Victor?

That is an

1:14:561:15:03

important point, what we have seen

so far doesn't allow us to make an

1:15:031:15:09

exact assessment. Depending on

dosages of course, anything is

1:15:091:15:14

positive. Radioactive material,

given the area was secured and hosed

1:15:141:15:19

down and cleaned up, that suggests

it wouldn't necessarily have been

1:15:191:15:24

radioactive, more likely chemical.

But again it is important to keep an

1:15:241:15:27

open mind.

1:15:271:15:34

You were there in charge when

Alexander Litvinenko was murdered.

1:15:351:15:44

Let's talk about the similarities.

This has happened in a small

1:15:441:15:50

constabulary. A county force. That

force wouldn't have the ability to

1:15:501:15:55

deal with something of this size.

This will be a huge investigation

1:15:551:15:59

with international impacts. It's

really important for the country to

1:15:591:16:03

have the right people investigating.

People with the experience of

1:16:031:16:07

dealing with the sorts of things.

The counterterrorism unit is based

1:16:071:16:11

reasonably locally and has all of

those detectives in hand. The most

1:16:111:16:15

important thing is there will be

other evidence. There are CCTV

1:16:151:16:19

cameras. MI5, MI6 will need to be

involved, will be involved, to tell

1:16:191:16:27

the police who is in the country.

Whether there is somebody highly

1:16:271:16:32

suspicious. If it was somebody from

Russia then almost certainly they

1:16:321:16:36

would have been on the plane back

home before we even realised it was

1:16:361:16:40

this type of attack. It is important

we don't get ahead of the

1:16:401:16:46

investigation. The investigation

will be underneath the radar, trying

1:16:461:16:50

to work out who might be involved,

where they are, and how they did it.

1:16:501:16:56

The reason this has become very

interesting is because it does bear

1:16:561:17:01

hallmarks of what happened to

Alexander Litvinenko. As I said

1:17:011:17:04

before, it almost certainly was the

Russian state that did that. The

1:17:041:17:09

trail was so obvious. And Vladimir

Putin's response to the incident was

1:17:091:17:14

so outrageous, really, with the

people who we know that did it, and

1:17:141:17:19

they were awarded medals, etc. It

goes to show you that Vladimir Putin

1:17:191:17:23

certainly knew something about that

one.

Do you think Russia is being

1:17:231:17:28

unfairly demonised at this point?

Russia certainly perceives that it

1:17:281:17:34

is being demonised. There is a

problem that we have very poor

1:17:341:17:39

relations ever since the Alexander

Litvinenko case with Russia. And we

1:17:391:17:42

actually need better relations with

Russia. We are not dependent on

1:17:421:17:47

Russian energy. We get about 15% of

our energy from Russia. But when we

1:17:471:17:54

ran out of gas in Russia the only

country that could provide us with

1:17:541:17:57

an emergency supply of liquid

natural gas was Russia. As we are

1:17:571:18:05

heading towards Brexit we found out

in the past that the Americans don't

1:18:051:18:09

really care about us very much

thanks to the tariffs Donald Trump

1:18:091:18:13

imposed. And then the issue of the

open skies thing. We don't want to

1:18:131:18:18

be going around making enemies. The

government, if it does turn out

1:18:181:18:24

there is Russian involvement, the

government is faced with a real

1:18:241:18:27

problem here because it has to be

tough on the one hand but it can't

1:18:271:18:30

be seen to be alienating people it

might have to trade with later on

1:18:301:18:35

too openly.

This is all within the

context of presidential elections in

1:18:351:18:39

Russia in the next ten days.

Vladimir Putin is widely expected to

1:18:391:18:46

win another term. Some people say

why would they will ruffle feathers

1:18:461:18:50

now, and ahead of the World Cup in

the summer, of course.

Interesting

1:18:501:18:55

point. There are so many conflicting

reports at the moment, as well.

1:18:551:18:59

Nothing is impossible. It is

interesting that the attack, if it

1:18:591:19:04

turns out to be that, the attack

took place on Sunday, the 4th of

1:19:041:19:10

March. The following day Vladimir

Putin addressed, as he does every

1:19:101:19:15

year, the senior most level of the

FSB. The top directors, and so on.

1:19:151:19:21

It is a sort of annual address.

Every year he list how many spies

1:19:211:19:27

and foreign intelligence officers

they have been able to counter or

1:19:271:19:32

arrest, or fought. It was curious

timing. In terms of the election. --

1:19:321:19:38

or thwart. It is interesting to see

who might benefit from that. He is

1:19:381:19:46

almost certainly guaranteed to win.

The benefit...

It seems... I don't

1:19:461:19:53

get it, that seems rather pointless.

It would be very strange timing,

1:19:531:19:59

this. In terms of the World Cup it

is worth remembering that Vladimir

1:19:591:20:02

Putin isn't very invested in it. He

doesn't care about football. He

1:20:021:20:06

doesn't like it. He was much more

concerned about the

1:20:061:20:13

concerned about the Sochi Winter

Olympics. It would be very weird

1:20:141:20:17

timing but I don't think the

presidential elections or the World

1:20:171:20:19

Cup are really an issue.

Threats

that Prince William might not be

1:20:191:20:25

going to the World Cup would be of

no consequence to him.

No.

1:20:251:20:30

Reputation only it's important for

the Russian state. That's a point

1:20:301:20:33

worth mentioning. We're talking

about expected activities of the

1:20:331:20:39

Russian state. It's always important

to make the difference between the

1:20:391:20:43

Russian state and the Russian

people.

Thank you very much.

1:20:431:20:51

We have some breaking news. There

are currently eight fire crews and a

1:20:511:20:56

hydraulic platform in attendance at

the University Hospital in Coventry.

1:20:561:21:01

There is a confirmed fire. A phased

evacuation has taken place.

1:21:011:21:04

Crucially no injuries reported. A

fire at University Hospital in

1:21:041:21:09

Coventry. An evacuation is taking

place. West Midlands Fire Service

1:21:091:21:15

telling us there are no reported

injuries at this stage. We will

1:21:151:21:19

bring more to you as we receive it.

Still to come:

1:21:191:21:25

Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince,

Mohammed Bin Salman,

1:21:251:21:26

is beginning a three-day

visit to Britain.

1:21:261:21:30

We will be finding out more about

the man who some are hailing as a

1:21:301:21:34

radical reformer.

1:21:341:21:37

UNICEF says there's been

significant fall in the number

1:21:371:21:39

of child marriages across the world.

1:21:391:21:40

The UN's children's agency estimates

25 million underage marriages have

1:21:401:21:43

been prevented in the last decade.

1:21:431:21:44

Countries in South Asia -

such as India - have seen

1:21:441:21:47

the biggest reduction

in the age-old practice.

1:21:471:21:49

Naomi Grimley has been to Rajasthan

in the North West of India to see

1:21:491:21:52

how girls are fighting back there:

1:21:521:22:00

Here in the far desert of Rajasthan,

four young women and girls

1:22:021:22:05

are joining the fight back

against child marriage.

1:22:051:22:09

India is successfully cutting

the number of child brides and these

1:22:091:22:12

four stories help explain why.

1:22:121:22:17

Monica is out shopping

for the day's food with her mum.

1:22:171:22:22

It's a scene of domestic harmony

but just a few months ago,

1:22:221:22:25

Monica's parents tried

to marry her off aged 13,

1:22:251:22:27

at the same time as an older sister.

1:22:271:22:34

The marriage never happened

because on the day of the wedding,

1:22:341:22:37

Monica found the courage

to report her own parents

1:22:371:22:39

to a children's hotline.

1:22:391:22:44

TRANSLATION:

I called up

1:22:441:22:46

and I told them everything -

that I'm young and I don't

1:22:461:22:49

want to get married

and I want to study further.

1:22:491:22:52

I asked them, "Can you please do

something that stops my marriage?"

1:22:521:22:58

If I had got married, nobody

would allow me to play or talk.

1:22:581:23:01

My in-laws would have

just made me work.

1:23:011:23:07

Ganesh, did you know

it was against the law?

1:23:071:23:13

TRANSLATION:

We did know

1:23:131:23:15

that it is a criminal

offence and we did feel bad

1:23:151:23:17

but we are a family of labourers.

1:23:171:23:23

Sometimes I don't get work

for a whole month so we thought,

1:23:231:23:25

since we are marrying off one

daughter we should marry off Monica

1:23:251:23:28

too and save on the expense.

1:23:281:23:30

In the end, Ganesh and his wife

promised the police they would not

1:23:301:23:33

marry Monica off before

she comes of age.

1:23:331:23:39

The authorities in this part

of Rajasthan say they see dozens

1:23:391:23:41

of cases of child marriage every

year and many more go unreported.

1:23:411:23:48

In the case of Monica,

her 11th-hour call for help

1:23:481:23:51

was answered by a woman ready

to jump into action.

1:23:511:23:56

Meet Priti Yadav,

a guardian angel on a moped.

1:23:561:23:59

Speed is often the

essence of her job.

1:23:591:24:04

She's the woman who handles

the local child marriage cases

1:24:041:24:06

which come to light via the hotline.

1:24:061:24:10

It was Priti who, together

with a specialist police team,

1:24:101:24:12

burst in on Monica's wedding

at the very last moment.

1:24:121:24:18

TRANSLATION:

When Monica called up

1:24:181:24:20

on the same day of her wedding,

we had a tricky challenge as we had

1:24:201:24:24

only three hours to save a child.

1:24:241:24:25

She was in a wedding

dress when we arrived

1:24:251:24:28

and she gave us a little smile.

1:24:281:24:29

She knew that we'd come

to stop her wedding.

1:24:291:24:31

She was happy then.

1:24:311:24:32

Is the battle against child

marriage being won?

1:24:321:24:35

TRANSLATION:

100% yes, it is.

1:24:351:24:39

And it will be won in my lifetime.

1:24:391:24:41

So much is being done,

particularly in education and with

1:24:411:24:44

campaigns to raise awareness.

1:24:441:24:51

Out here in one of the more remote

parts of the Thar Desert,

1:24:561:24:59

mobile phones and hotlines are a key

way of stopping child

1:24:591:25:01

marriage at the 11th hour.

1:25:011:25:05

But there's also an earlier,

simpler line of defence -

1:25:051:25:07

and that is girls' education.

1:25:071:25:10

Rahdika, in her early 20s,

is a warden at this

1:25:101:25:13

girls' boarding school.

1:25:131:25:17

She is another young woman leading

the fight against child marriage.

1:25:171:25:20

Her parents wanted her to marry

aged 17 but she refused.

1:25:201:25:26

She believes education is vital

but uses music and theatre

1:25:261:25:28

to engage and empower girls.

1:25:281:25:32

THEY SING

1:25:321:25:37

"Don't marry me

off," these girls sing.

1:25:371:25:45

TRANSLATION:

If you just speak

1:25:451:25:46

rhetorically to people,

the impact is much less.

1:25:461:25:48

But when you talk about these issues

through activities like music,

1:25:481:25:51

then people pay extra

attention to it.

1:25:511:25:53

They remember it.

1:25:531:25:58

She says boys should

now be targeted, too.

1:25:581:26:06

TRANSLATION:

Communities can take

1:26:071:26:09

time in listening to what girls

are saying but the boys,

1:26:091:26:12

they always are heard instantly.

1:26:121:26:13

So if you work with both sexes,

then we will get 100% results.

1:26:131:26:20

Over in this desert village,

the wider community is getting

1:26:201:26:22

involved as they watch a puppet

show tackling the issue.

1:26:221:26:30

Afterwards, the villagers rise

to their feet and pledge

1:26:321:26:34

to abandon child marriage.

1:26:341:26:38

It is a poignant moment and a sign

that in this part of India,

1:26:381:26:41

things are beginning to change

after years of entrenched custom.

1:26:411:26:47

One of those who watched

the show is Pooja.

1:26:471:26:52

Married aged ten, though

still at school for now,

1:26:521:26:54

she's determined there should be

no more child brides.

1:26:541:26:59

TRANSLATION:

My name is Pooja.

1:26:591:27:00

I got married three years ago.

1:27:001:27:02

I want to study further

and become a teacher.

1:27:021:27:04

I want to say to everyone

in my village that girls

1:27:041:27:07

should be educated.

1:27:071:27:10

Don't get underage girls married.

1:27:101:27:11

Don't ruin their lives.

1:27:111:27:15

If someone does that

forcefully, call 10-9-8.

1:27:151:27:18

This will help stop child marriage.

1:27:181:27:22

Pooja is still in school

because her parents have agreed

1:27:221:27:28

to let her finish her studies before

gauna, the moment she goes to live

1:27:281:27:32

with her in-laws and has

sex with her husband.

1:27:321:27:35

Back at Monica's house,

she chats to her new friend Priti

1:27:351:27:38

on the stoop of her family home.

1:27:381:27:42

Her future is uncertain because her

education has been disrupted

1:27:421:27:44

by her brush with marriage.

1:27:441:27:47

But she takes comfort

in the fact her story

1:27:471:27:50

is being told to others.

1:27:501:27:53

TRANSLATION:

I'm glad

1:27:531:27:55

that my experience will be

shared with others.

1:27:551:27:58

Maybe some other girl will learn

from my case and she too can

1:27:581:28:01

stop her child marriage.

1:28:011:28:02

And if she can't stop it, then

I will even help her out myself.

1:28:021:28:07

This was so nearly a childhood lost.

1:28:071:28:09

Now, through an act

of teenage rebellion,

1:28:091:28:10

it is a childhood regained.

1:28:101:28:18

Still to come.

1:28:211:28:27

And on and is beginning a three-day

visit to Britain with lunch with the

1:28:271:28:31

Green followed by trade talks with

the Prime Minister. -- Saudi

1:28:311:28:35

Arabia's crowned prince is

beginning. We will hear more about

1:28:351:28:39

the man who is being held as a

radical reformer.

1:28:391:28:42

We'll hear from people who shelled

out hundreds of pounds over

1:28:421:28:45

the odds for tickets -

as the advertising standards agency

1:28:451:28:47

clamps down on "secondary

ticketing" companies.

1:28:471:28:51

In

1:28:511:28:51

Time for the latest

news - here's Annita.

1:28:511:28:58

the headlines: Detectives

investigating the circumstances

1:28:581:29:02

around a former Russian spy and his

daughter are taken seriously.

1:29:021:29:09

Sergei Skripal and his

daughter Yulia remain

1:29:091:29:10

in a critical condition in hospital

after being found unconscious

1:29:101:29:13

on a park bench on Sunday.

1:29:131:29:14

Scientists at the military research

facility at Porton Down are carrying

1:29:141:29:17

out tests to discover what made them

so violently ill.

1:29:171:29:25

The top economic adviser

to the White House,

1:29:271:29:29

Gary Cohn, has resigned -

after failing to persuade

1:29:291:29:31

President Trump not to impose

significant tariffs on imports

1:29:311:29:33

of steel and aluminium.

1:29:331:29:34

Mr Cohn was regarded

by many business leaders

1:29:341:29:36

as a moderating influence

in the administration.

1:29:361:29:37

He's the latest in a long

line of people who've

1:29:371:29:40

left the White House.

1:29:401:29:41

The Chancellor Philip Hammond

will outline his vision

1:29:411:29:43

of an EU free trade deal

for the financial services

1:29:431:29:46

sector after Brexit.

1:29:461:29:48

Mr Hammond is expected

to use his speech in London to focus

1:29:481:29:51

on an agreement which he says

will be of mutual

1:29:511:29:53

interest to both parties.

1:29:531:29:56

The European Commission has

previously said that a free trade

1:29:561:29:58

deal including the City

is not an option.

1:29:581:30:06

Up to 15 people have been

injured after two double

1:30:091:30:12

decker buses crashed

in Manchester city centre.

1:30:121:30:13

It happened at 7.30 this morning

on Minshull Street at junction

1:30:131:30:16

of Aytoun Street outside

the Holiday Inn.

1:30:161:30:18

Greater Manchester police say

most injuries are minor,

1:30:181:30:20

one person is thought to have

more serious injuries.

1:30:201:30:27

Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince,

Mohammed Bin Salman,

1:30:271:30:28

is beginning a three-day

visit to Britain.

1:30:281:30:30

He'll have lunch with

the Queen and meet

1:30:301:30:32

the Prime Minister for trade talks.

1:30:321:30:34

The Government regards Saudi Arabia

as an important strategic ally,

1:30:341:30:36

but protest marches are planned

by campaign groups angered

1:30:361:30:39

by the war in Yemen, where

the Kingdom is fighting rebels.

1:30:391:30:45

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

1:30:451:30:50

Here's some sport

now with Will Perry.

1:30:501:30:56

England's one-day series will be

decided in Christchurch on Friday

1:30:561:31:02

after New Zealand won. England made

335-9. But

1:31:021:31:13

335-9. But England lost eight

wickets for 46 runs. Jurgen Klopp

1:31:131:31:19

says Liverpool belong in the

Champions League quarter-finals

1:31:191:31:22

after a goalless second leg at

Anfield gave them a 5-0 aggregate

1:31:221:31:29

win over Porto. Joining them Real

Madrid who, beat PSG2-1 last night.

1:31:291:31:39

Ronaldo on the scoreline again.

England's women can main the She

1:31:391:31:44

Believes Cup if they get at least a

draw with the United States tonight.

1:31:441:31:48

Phil Neville's side have beaten

France, drawn with Germany. More

1:31:481:31:53

sport on the news channel throughout

the day.

Thank you.

1:31:531:31:59

From today the advertising standards

authority will clamp down

1:31:591:32:02

on secondary ticket sites.

1:32:021:32:03

Crucially it means the likes

of StubHub, Viagogo,

1:32:031:32:05

and the Ticketmaster owned SeatWave

and GetMeIn will be forced

1:32:051:32:07

to display the actual price

they are charging per ticket

1:32:071:32:10

after accusations they were

misleading customers.

1:32:101:32:13

The ASA specifically banned Viagogo

from using the claim "official

1:32:131:32:17

site" and from using the term "100%

guarentee" as they think it

1:32:171:32:20

misleads fans who are not

necessarily guaranteed entry

1:32:201:32:22

to the events they

purchased tickets for.

1:32:221:32:28

Let's talk now to Russ Tannen

who runs the ticketing app Dice

1:32:281:32:32

which works with artists to ensure

tickets only go to fans for face

1:32:321:32:38

value.

1:32:381:32:42

Rebecca Montague who forked out over

£600 for four tickets

1:32:421:32:44

to Depeche Mode last year,

Sarah West who bought tickets

1:32:441:32:47

for Dancing on Ice, but can't afford

the huge £85 fee per ticket

1:32:471:32:50

Sarah, that is frustrating, her face

time line has frozen. Russ, talk to

1:32:571:33:03

me about your concerns about the

current state of the ticketing

1:33:031:33:06

market?

We welcomed the changes, the

legislation. But we think there is

1:33:061:33:12

another part to this and this is

where technology comes in, where

1:33:121:33:16

Dice comes in. We also believe that

the price that fans pay should be

1:33:161:33:20

the price that is up front. We think

there is another layer, which is

1:33:201:33:25

stopping the tickets from being

resold, offering fans the chance to

1:33:251:33:29

refund if they can't make it and

operating our own platform, that is

1:33:291:33:33

a waiting list where fans can get

tickets once they have been

1:33:331:33:37

returned.

How do you stop them being

resold?

We are a mobile app and the

1:33:371:33:42

tickets are kept within the device.

The tickets can't be resold on to

1:33:421:33:49

the secondary market.

The challenge

is, I went last night on Viagogo to

1:33:491:33:56

look at how it worked and there was

real high pressure tactics, you can

1:33:561:34:02

see the seat and the row, as you're

searching, tickets, it says 75

1:34:021:34:09

people are looking at this ticket

and you get sucked into this sense

1:34:091:34:14

of I'm not going to get a ticket?

Yes they're bad tactics. It is an

1:34:141:34:20

important part of the legislation is

the pricing and making sure it can't

1:34:201:34:26

say it is 100% official. That is

important that fans understand the

1:34:261:34:30

difference between a primary

ticketing outlet like Dice and a

1:34:301:34:41

secondary ticketing organisation.

People don't may not understand the

1:34:411:34:46

difference and just want a ticket.

Do you think the whole system even

1:34:461:34:50

with these changes is too

complicated?

It is complicated. But

1:34:501:34:56

I think what we have to look at is

technological solutions and can we

1:34:561:35:03

stop the tickets from being resold,

can we use the fact that we carry

1:35:031:35:09

mobile phones to stop the tickets

going on to secondary sites and

1:35:091:35:13

shutting off the sup floi the touts.

-- supply to the touts.

A lot of

1:35:131:35:19

people are making a lot of money and

people like Viagogo can pay to go to

1:35:191:35:25

the top of a Google search. I know

we talked to a gentleman who said

1:35:251:35:32

they're working with Google to try

and get that changed, do you have

1:35:321:35:35

concerns about that?

Yes, it is

frustrating they can be at top, but

1:35:351:35:42

Google who have brought in changes,

I think the confusions is when it

1:35:421:35:48

says official site. That is

important that does change.

Do we

1:35:481:35:51

need to be more savvy as consumers,

we have had people getting in touch

1:35:511:35:57

saying, come on just go to the

official web-site, stop being naive.

1:35:571:36:06

Yes there is an element of that.

When people use Dice, they come back

1:36:061:36:15

rather than going to Google. You

know it is a trusted source of

1:36:151:36:18

tickets.

Bands don't want this, do

they? They don't want to see their

1:36:181:36:23

fans being ripped off.

No, before we

started Dice, we were managing

1:36:231:36:29

artists and we wanted to fix tickets

for artists and at the weekend for

1:36:291:36:34

example, the charlatans used us for

a series of concerts and we stopped

1:36:341:36:41

any tickets being resold. When we

saw a fan trying to resell a ticket

1:36:411:36:47

to use Tim Burgess's quote, we fried

the tickets and gave them to real

1:36:471:36:54

fans.

Rachel ended up paying £450

for two Ed Sheeran tickets that were

1:36:541:37:02

Tissed on Viagogo for £85 each.

1:37:021:37:10

You went to Viagogo.

Yes, we went

online the order them and they came

1:37:101:37:21

up at £85. We went through system

and entered the card details like

1:37:211:37:25

requested. We got to the end and

they said, confirm, so we clicked

1:37:251:37:30

confirm and once we clicked that, it

came up they wanted to charge us

1:37:301:37:36

£225 per ticket.

You had nothing

until you clicked confirm to say

1:37:361:37:39

that it was that much?

No. Nothing

at all. To say that there would be

1:37:391:37:46

that much extra put on it. We tried

to claim the money back via the

1:37:461:37:53

credit company. But to get hold of

Viagogo it is disgusting, there is

1:37:531:38:04

no customer service, they don't

answer tweets no, e-mail. They

1:38:041:38:08

wouldn't do anything. To be told the

tickets we had purchased at that

1:38:081:38:13

price were more than likely we

wouldn't be able to use and we would

1:38:131:38:18

have to purchase another two off an

official site. So we have now got

1:38:181:38:22

four tickets.

Do you think, some

people have got in touch say,

1:38:221:38:27

saying, you're being naive, we know

we shouldn't just Google Ed Sheeran,

1:38:271:38:31

but go to the approved web-site. Do

you think that is a fair criticism?

1:38:311:38:39

No you have got to think of people

who work 9 to 5, when they say

1:38:391:38:46

they're releasing tickets at 9am and

you have have a job and anybody who

1:38:461:38:52

has small children that wants to go

and see concerts and things like

1:38:521:38:55

that, you do anything you can the

get them there. But not those

1:38:551:39:01

prices. And being told to attend a

concert that you need too take four

1:39:011:39:07

forms of identification to what,

after paying that much to prove that

1:39:071:39:11

you did get Repped off. I think --

ripped off. I think that is wrong.

1:39:111:39:15

We have connected with is a Sarah

West who had a nightmare with

1:39:151:39:19

getting Dancing On Ice tickets. What

happened to you?

We took up the

1:39:191:39:27

offer at the end of the show to...

Now that line would suggest Sarah's

1:39:271:39:36

line has not improved at all. Let me

read you some comments who have come

1:39:361:39:41

in. Sharon Hodge son said, I'm

pleased this issue is getting

1:39:411:39:50

coverage. What we need to do is

serious enforcement and sanctions,

1:39:501:39:55

otherwise it is business as usual.

Pauline got in touch and said, I

1:39:551:40:00

bought a ticket toed tr

Stereophonics in -- for the

1:40:001:40:05

Stereophonics in Cardiff. They sent

me an e-mail saying I could be

1:40:051:40:09

upgraded to get closer to the band.

As that was not an option for me I

1:40:091:40:13

didn't reply. The following week an

e-mail said they could not supply

1:40:131:40:19

the ticket. I tried to contact them,

they didn't come back. As I had paid

1:40:191:40:25

through the nose I wanted to find

out what was going on and managed to

1:40:251:40:29

speak to somebody, but had to have

my money returned. I'm very annoyed

1:40:291:40:36

with Viagogo, we will never use

them, I'm in my 70s and still hope

1:40:361:40:42

to see them. Rachel, do you feel

these changes by the ASA are

1:40:421:40:48

sufficient to protect fans like you?

Yes and no. A lot more does need to

1:40:481:40:54

be done. They need to be policed,

anybody can go online and get a

1:40:541:40:59

web-site and that these days. But I

think there needs to be a lot more

1:40:591:41:06

put in place, especially when it

comes to younger people than myself

1:41:061:41:09

trying to get tickets and being,

well, taken for a ride for a lot of

1:41:091:41:16

money. Some people can't afford.

Rachel, thank you. Russ thank you

1:41:161:41:21

also.

1:41:211:41:26

also. We

1:41:271:41:27

We contacted all four companies

mentioned by the ASA.

1:41:271:41:29

None of them would join us

on the programme but some did send

1:41:291:41:34

these statements.

1:41:341:41:36

A StubHub spokesperson

said: "StubHub supports

1:41:361:41:37

any measures which make

ticket buying easier,

1:41:371:41:39

more convenient and more

transparent for fans.

1:41:391:41:41

We welcome this opportunity to work

closely with the ASA and we will be

1:41:411:41:44

fully compliant with its decision.

1:41:441:41:45

We hope that other players

in the ticketing industry, including

1:41:451:41:48

primary issuers, follow suit."

1:41:481:41:52

And Ticketmaster who owns Seat Wave

and Get Me In said: "Our ticket

1:41:521:41:55

resale sites already ensure fans

know exactly what they will pay

1:41:551:41:58

at every stage of the buying

process, displaying all fees as soon

1:41:581:42:00

as the customer selects and submits

the number of tickets

1:42:001:42:03

they are looking to buy.

1:42:031:42:04

We will continue to work with both

the ASA and the CMA to further

1:42:041:42:07

develop levels of transparency

and consumer protection

1:42:071:42:09

within the UK ticketing sector."

1:42:091:42:13

Viagogo did not respond

to our request for

1:42:131:42:14

interview or for comment.

1:42:141:42:20

Let me bring you this update on the

fire at the University Hospital in

1:42:211:42:27

Coventry. A spoke person for the

University Hospital Coventry said,

1:42:271:42:33

we can confirm that this morning

there has been a small fire in an

1:42:331:42:38

out patient building adjacent to the

West wing of University Hospital in

1:42:381:42:42

Coventry. The fire service was

called immediately and the fire fire

1:42:421:42:50

is now out. We have needed to move a

small number of patients. No further

1:42:501:42:57

evacuations are needed and there

have been no injury. We would like

1:42:571:43:01

to thank the fire service and our

staff. Confirming that incident has

1:43:011:43:06

finished, the fire is out at the

University Hospital in Coventry and

1:43:061:43:11

all confirmation that there have

been no injuries.

1:43:111:43:15

Cobra, the government's

emergency committee,

1:43:151:43:17

are meeting to discuss the suspected

poisoning of a former

1:43:171:43:19

Russian double agent.

1:43:191:43:22

Sergei Skripal, 66,

and his daughter Yulia, 33,

1:43:221:43:23

have spent a third night

in a critical condition

1:43:231:43:26

in hospital after being found

unconscious in Salisbury.

1:43:261:43:28

Scientists at the UK's

military research facility

1:43:281:43:30

at Porton Down are examining

an "unknown substance".

1:43:301:43:38

Our Political guru Norman

smith joins me now from

1:43:381:43:41

the houses of parliament.

1:43:411:43:42

Explain to us the a Cobra meeting,

why are they convened.

Cobra brings

1:43:421:43:49

together all the officials involved

in any sort of emergency to update

1:43:491:43:54

senior ministers on the latest

information. Today, the meeting will

1:43:541:43:57

be chaired by the Home Secretary,

Amber Rudd and she will hear not

1:43:571:44:01

just from the police involved in the

investigation, but from health

1:44:011:44:06

officials about any possible risks

from contamination and hear from the

1:44:061:44:11

Security Services to try and build

up a broader picture of the scale of

1:44:111:44:15

the threat. But crucial I imagine to

today's meeting will be whether

1:44:151:44:20

there is any information about the

poison that was used. That seems to

1:44:201:44:25

be the key next step in trying to

establish who was responsible for

1:44:251:44:28

this. Once you know the poison, then

you can begin to work out where it

1:44:281:44:35

came from and who may have had

access and who would have been able

1:44:351:44:39

to use it and how it was transported

and build up a bigger picture, which

1:44:391:44:44

enables you to start putting

together who might be responsible.

1:44:441:44:47

So the key thing I imagine the Home

Secretary will want to know is

1:44:471:44:53

whether there is any outcome on the

toxicology reports. The indicates so

1:44:531:44:59

far is this may still take some

time. That may still be having to

1:44:591:45:04

wait for the results of toxicology

reports. That means the diplomatic

1:45:041:45:11

response may also have to be on

hold. Because yesterday Boris

1:45:111:45:17

Johnson went full throttle and only

he said he wasn't blaming Russia, he

1:45:171:45:21

went close to it and it seemed clear

he believes it was a Russian-backed

1:45:211:45:29

attack. Later on what will be

interesting when we hear from

1:45:291:45:33

Theresa May at Prime Minister's

questions and she will be asked

1:45:331:45:36

about it, whether she rose in behind

Boris Johnson in blaming the Russian

1:45:361:45:42

state and Vladimir Putin or whether

she holds back. I think that will be

1:45:421:45:48

an important nuance from which we

can judge whether the Government

1:45:481:45:51

really is convinced that this was

directed and orchestrated by Moscow.

1:45:511:46:00

The on the government. In UK ran out

of gas we turned to Russia. Post

1:46:031:46:11

Brexit there will be a greater

reliance on Russia. -- this is going

1:46:111:46:14

to be a tricky line for the

government to tread. There is a

1:46:141:46:19

really difficult line that has to be

walked.

It is usually problematic.

1:46:191:46:24

Not least because Russia is a very

powerful country. It is rearming,

1:46:241:46:29

quite willing to flout international

law, to defy the West. And there was

1:46:291:46:34

no clear sign that the sanctions

imposed on it already over Ukraine

1:46:341:46:37

and the Crimea have in any way

reshaped Vladimir Putin's behaviour.

1:46:371:46:42

He seems willing to bear the

economic cost of sanctions.

1:46:421:46:48

Secondly, there is the difficulty,

can Britain, on its own,

1:46:481:46:51

meaningfully hurt President Putin

without working with other

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countries. What works against that

is the Alexander Litvinenko factor.

1:46:581:47:05

If this is Alexander Litvinenko Mach

two, the pressure for the government

1:47:051:47:09

to act is enormous. Because after

that murder the British government

1:47:091:47:16

didn't do much and some people

accused it of appeasement. This is

1:47:161:47:19

the option to turn the other cheek

and do nothing. There will be a

1:47:191:47:25

premium on a robust response. I

would suggest, looking at things

1:47:251:47:29

like perhaps saying that officials

cannot go to the World Cup probably

1:47:291:47:32

do not do it. It'll have to be much

more significant. Finding the

1:47:321:47:39

mechanism to do that is still very

difficult.

Irrespective of who

1:47:391:47:45

carried this attack out of the UK

street, that in itself is a worry

1:47:451:47:50

for the government, that this can

happen on our streets.

It is a

1:47:501:47:55

complete breach of normal

international rules. States don't go

1:47:551:48:02

around murdering a the Citizens'

individuals on the streets. How far

1:48:021:48:10

those who were involved in espionage

and are now living in Britain are

1:48:101:48:14

afforded protection, I suspect, will

be another area which might be

1:48:141:48:18

looked at. Although the signs are

when you have these swaps it is

1:48:181:48:23

almost taken as a given that you

then do not go after the former

1:48:231:48:27

spies and seek to eliminate them.

Because that undermines the idea of

1:48:271:48:33

prisoner swaps. Why do it if your

guys will be bumped off anyway? It

1:48:331:48:38

undercuts the value of switches.

Russia's interest, -- in Russia's

1:48:381:48:44

interest in the west's interest.

Maybe this isn't a Russian state

1:48:441:48:49

sponsored attack, because what they

get out of it? Don't they undermine

1:48:491:48:54

their possibility of having swaps in

the future. There is also questions

1:48:541:48:57

over why on earth kill the daughter,

Yulia, the publicity from that isn't

1:48:571:49:08

perhaps something Vladimir Putin

would want. There are loose threads

1:49:081:49:12

here. It is probably too early to

say this is the action of the

1:49:121:49:16

Russian state. Although clearly that

appears to be the thinking in the

1:49:161:49:19

Foreign Office.

Thanks very much.

1:49:191:49:23

Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince,

Mohammed Bin Salman,

1:49:231:49:25

is beginning a three-day

visit to Britain.

1:49:251:49:28

He'll have lunch with

the Queen and hold talks

1:49:281:49:31

with the Prime Minister

later this afternoon.

1:49:311:49:32

The Government regards Saudi Arabia

as an important strategic ally -

1:49:321:49:35

but protest marches are planned

by campaign groups angered

1:49:351:49:37

by Saudi's role in the war in Yemen.

1:49:371:49:44

Let's discuss this further with:

Doctor Salwa Nugali,

1:49:441:49:47

she's a professor of

American Literature,

1:49:471:49:48

who lives in Riyadh,

the capital of Saudi Arabia.

1:49:481:49:51

Professor Fawaz Gerges,

professor of Middle East studies

1:49:511:49:55

at the London School of Economics.

1:49:551:49:59

And Chris Nineham,

Vice Chair of Stop the War,

1:49:591:50:02

a campaign group concerned

1:50:021:50:03

about human rights

and the war in Yemen.

1:50:031:50:08

Also, a journalist and commentator

on Middle East current affairs. She

1:50:081:50:11

is writing a book about Saudi women.

Thank you for joining us. Tell us

1:50:111:50:16

about the crown prince. And his

popularity in Saudi.

I've been

1:50:161:50:24

spending a lot of time lately in

Saudi. The euphoria is visible when

1:50:241:50:29

you visit Saudi Arabia. Especially

with the young. They feel this is

1:50:291:50:33

somebody who represents them. We had

quite old Kings lately and Crown

1:50:331:50:38

Princess. So I think for the young

he is the one who represents them,

1:50:381:50:44

or that is what they feel. -- Crown

Princes. Especially for women, these

1:50:441:50:50

women were fighting to drive. Not

that it is very important to them,

1:50:501:50:56

but there is the guardianship

problem, which is more important for

1:50:561:51:01

a woman...

Please explain that our

viewers. Saudi women have to have a

1:51:011:51:05

party with them when they go out and

they cannot drive...

They have to

1:51:051:51:09

have regarded with them when they

travel. They have to take permission

1:51:091:51:12

when they travel. But lately,

especially in the big cities, and

1:51:121:51:19

the Eastern province, these girls

have very good fathers that allow

1:51:191:51:22

them to travel. They go on the

Internet, they have the password,

1:51:221:51:28

they put it on their passport they

can travel. It doesn't mean all

1:51:281:51:33

Saudi women can do that. Many can't

because Saudi Arabia is a very

1:51:331:51:37

conservative society. To be honest,

successively the Kings and Crown

1:51:371:51:46

Princes have been more liberal than

the population.

Saudi Arabia is a

1:51:461:51:50

very young population.

1:51:501:51:57

very young population. There is

confusion, shall we put it, in Saudi

1:51:571:52:01

Arabia. You have the Crown prince

who is trying to remove the ban on

1:52:011:52:05

driving for women, saying there will

be less segregation, women might be

1:52:051:52:09

allowed to go to football matches

and things. But there is also their

1:52:091:52:14

involvement in the war in Yemen.

The

war in Yemen is controversial. Saudi

1:52:141:52:18

Arabia is leading a coalition

against Islamic State to restore the

1:52:181:52:24

legitimate Yemeni government which

was ousted. This group has killed

1:52:241:52:30

more than 10,000 people. Millions of

people are on the verge of

1:52:301:52:33

starvation. The UN calls the war is

the world's worst humanitarian

1:52:331:52:40

crisis. What has happened in Yemen

in the past three years has become

1:52:401:52:45

the war a proxy between Saudi

Arabia, Yemen, and Iran. Iran

1:52:451:52:50

supports the group who took power

three years ago. Yemen is the soft

1:52:501:52:56

belly of Saudi Arabia. The challenge

now is to end the war. This

1:52:561:53:00

particular visit is important. I

hope Britain and European countries

1:53:001:53:04

would really play a major role to

try to end this particular war by

1:53:041:53:08

pressuring Iran to end its support

for that group and allowing Saudi

1:53:081:53:14

Arabia to reach a political

settlement. What we have now is that

1:53:141:53:18

Yemen is fighting for survival as

the Yemeni state. It is the poorest

1:53:181:53:23

country in the Arab world. The

infrastructure has been destroyed.

1:53:231:53:27

That is why Saudi Arabia is very

much involved because it feels that

1:53:271:53:31

Iran is really trying to get bogged

down in the killing fields of Yemen.

1:53:311:53:38

In that case is it important we have

the Crown Prince of visiting the UK

1:53:381:53:42

so that the pressure can be exerted

on it to stop the War in Yemen.

This

1:53:421:53:47

is the worst thing we could do. We

are rolling out the red carpet for

1:53:471:53:51

the person who is the main

protagonists, the main organiser of

1:53:511:53:55

the war in Yemen. They are

conducting not just these terrible

1:53:551:53:58

bombing raids but they are

blockading the ports, they are in

1:53:581:54:02

contravention of all sorts of UN

demands. This isn't a meeting about

1:54:021:54:07

human rights or a meeting about

peace, justice in the Middle East,

1:54:071:54:10

this is a meeting between one of the

most violent countries. They hop of

1:54:101:54:15

violence in the Middle East. And the

country that provides it with more

1:54:151:54:18

arms than anywhere else in the

world. -- a hub of violence. Britain

1:54:181:54:24

sells billions and billions of

pounds worth of weapons to Saudi

1:54:241:54:28

Arabia every year.

I will get your

response in a moment. I want to

1:54:281:54:33

bring in the Doctor on the line in

Riyadh. How do you react to that,

1:54:331:54:40

that the Crown Prince shouldn't be

welcomed in Britain because of the

1:54:401:54:43

war Yemen?

It's ridiculous.

1:54:431:54:51

war Yemen?

It's ridiculous. How do

you want to create peace if you

1:54:521:54:55

don't negotiate? If you don't accept

all parties at the table to

1:54:551:54:58

negotiate and find a solution?

Do

you think it is the right approach

1:54:581:55:03

by the British government not to

bring the Crown Prince over here to

1:55:031:55:06

specifically talk about that, but on

the sidelines bring that into the

1:55:061:55:10

discussions?

Whatever. It is at the

beginning. It is the beginning to

1:55:101:55:16

bring him in, to try to create a

dialogue, a negotiation, a

1:55:161:55:21

discussion, to find a solution to

the problem. You don't end the

1:55:211:55:26

problem by isolating people from

coming into the table and talking.

1:55:261:55:32

Is that a fair point? We need to

have business ties with Saudi

1:55:321:55:36

Arabia. If we are looking ahead post

Brexit Benny to be trade deals with

1:55:361:55:40

people and different countries

around the world. -- post Brexit

1:55:401:55:45

that we need to have trade deals

with people. Pressure can be exerted

1:55:451:55:51

on the sidelines, for example.

There

are 194 countries in the world. Most

1:55:511:55:56

of them do not behead people in

public on a regular basis. Most of

1:55:561:56:00

them don't drop cluster bombs on

their neighbours. If we are going to

1:56:001:56:03

have anything approaching a policy

that needs to be certain standards.

1:56:031:56:08

Saudi Arabia is one of the most

authoritarian and brutal regimes in

1:56:081:56:12

the world which is currently

creating a desperate humanitarian

1:56:121:56:16

catastrophe.

But it is also making

changes. Hang on.

If we want to talk

1:56:161:56:21

about anything, we should be talking

about ending that war and now.

There

1:56:211:56:26

are changes, there are concessions,

it won't happen quickly.

I think

1:56:261:56:32

there is this image that my

colleague here is talking about.

1:56:321:56:36

However, in reality, if you go to

Saudi Arabia they feel it is an

1:56:361:56:40

unnecessary war and they were forced

into it. I visited an area next to

1:56:401:56:45

Yemen. I was hearing the

bombardment. Saudi Arabia received

1:56:451:56:48

90 ballistic missile is. Two

missiles hit Riyadh. I'm not sure

1:56:481:56:56

Saudi Arabia is very happy about

spending all the billions on this

1:56:561:57:00

war. Also this idea they just like

to have war. Iran, in fact, is

1:57:001:57:08

circulating many countries in the

area. They already dominate Iraq,

1:57:081:57:13

Lebanon, Syria, they are trying to

do the same with Bahrain, so this is

1:57:131:57:17

not a war Saudi Arabia is happy

about, I think.

My take on it is

1:57:171:57:23

that human rights, economic trades,

are not exclusive. For your viewers,

1:57:231:57:32

the British hope that the Crown

Prince has a modernisation programme

1:57:321:57:37

for Saudi Arabia, you are talking

about hundreds of billions of

1:57:371:57:40

pounds. The British hope that there

would be investment in the next ten

1:57:401:57:47

years from Saudi Arabia. That's

important for Britain. I also think

1:57:471:57:51

Britain and other European countries

have a moral and ethical

1:57:511:57:55

responsibility to try to end the war

in Yemen. It's very essential. This

1:57:551:57:59

is real. At the end of the day, we

must engage the Saudis in order to

1:57:591:58:05

bring about the end of this war.

Is

this the man to do it? Will he end

1:58:051:58:11

the war in Yemen?

I have no doubts

about it.

He started it, I hope he

1:58:111:58:17

ends it.

We are out of time. Thank

you for your company today. We will

1:58:171:58:23

carry on this discussion. Have a

good day.

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