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Victoria talks to a man whose dating profile was stolen used to con women out of money. Plus the number of women in Northern Ireland seeking free abortions rises.


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Hello, it's Thursday, it's 9am,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

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Welcome to the programme.

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Our top story...

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The mystery substance that left

a former Russian spy critically ill

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is finally identified.

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It was a nerve agent

that put Sergei Skripal,

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his daughter, Yulia,

and a police officer in hospital.

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They are fighting for their lives.

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We're talking to a man

who is considered Vladimir Putin's

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number one enemy -

who says he has to take steps

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to protect his own life.

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I do not spend my life living in

fear but I have to take great

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precautions so they do not kill me.

You say that so matter-of-factly,

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wow.

I have been living with it for

years.

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All you single women,

does this man look like

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an eligible bachelor to you?

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He's got a great online

profile, but he's not only

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married, he's also gay.

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And his identity has

been stolen by scammers,

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who lure women in and then ask

them for money.

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We'll be talking to the real

Steve Bustin in a few minutes.

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And we've got exclusive figures

on a rise in the number of women

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from Northern Ireland travelling

to England for an abortion

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since the Government announced

they would no longer have to pay.

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But campaigners say more needs to be

done to help women from the country

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who want a termination.

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Hello, welcome to the programme.

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We're live until 11 this morning.

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As we are each weekday. After 10am,

we will talk about new proposals

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from the Home Secretary, amber Rudd,

which she and the Prime Minister

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publishing today to tackle domestic

abuse in the future. Some of the new

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areas consulted on include tagging

suspects or banning them from

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drinking. And also recognising in

the definition of domestic abuse

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that it can be economic abuse, as

well as physical and psychological.

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If you have experienced domestic

abuse or you are a perpetrator, we

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would like to hear from you. Do get

in touch. You can e-mail us, message

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us on Facebook or Twitter.

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Our top story today...

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The Home Secretary,

Amber Rudd, is due

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to make a statement this morning

in the House of Commons

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about the nerve agent used

in the attempted murder of a former

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Russian spy and his daughter.

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While police have now identified

the type of chemical,

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it's not yet known where it was made

or who could have

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carried out the attack.

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Tom Burridge has more.

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This was Sergei Skripal

last month at a corner shop.

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Now police believe someone tried

to kill the former spy

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and his daughter with a nerve agent.

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It happened here in the small

cathedral city of Salisbury.

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A police officer who attended

to the pair now also in a serious

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condition in hospital.

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What nerve agent was used

is the question experts

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at this military research centre

are trying to answer.

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Nerve agents essentially cripple

the nervous system of the body

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and are not easy to manufacture.

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Nerve agents require

a non-insignificant financial,

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logistical and technical back-up

to actually be manufactured.

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And so that would lead

to more likelihood

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of a state manufacturing it.

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Life in Salisbury right now

is anything but normal,

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this is the restaurant

where Mr Skripal and his daughter

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had lunch hours before

they fell ill.

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A blond woman and a man

could be of interest,

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seen in this CCTV footage

from near the crime scene.

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His daughter apparently

had dark hair, like in this photo.

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They are both in a critical

condition in hospital.

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Tom Burridge, BBC News.

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Ahead of her statement in the

Commons, Amber Rudd, Home Secretary,

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had this to say this morning in an

interview with BBC Breakfast.

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This was a very serious incident

which is why we've got the police

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down there in full force

conducting the investigation.

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Which is why we're giving

all the support we can,

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the medical support necessary,

to the people who've been affected.

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Of course I'm very concerned

about the policeman.

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I would observe that our

Chief Medical Officer Sally Davis

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has said that the risk to the public

is low, so I would urge the public

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to take comfort from that.

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We have been ready for a while for

a number of different types

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of terrorist activity

and we are making sure that we give

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the public the support,

that we contain the incident

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and that we collect the evidence

so that when we come to attribution,

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we will know what to do.

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Our correspondent,

Leila Nathoo, is in Salisbury.

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What's the latest?

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We know that counterterror police

are saying this is a rare nerve

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agent used in Salisbury to

specifically target Sergei and Yulia

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Skripal who were found unconscious

on the bench that remains under the

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police tent behind me. This narrows

down somewhat the possibilities in

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terms of who would be able to

manufacture the nerve agent. We have

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not got the details yet on exactly

what the substances but police do

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know. We also know that a policeman,

one of the first on the scene here,

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was hospitalised. They were also

exposed to the substance. The Home

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Secretary, Amber Rudd, said this

morning he was engaging in talking

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but he is still believed to be in a

serious condition. As far as the

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scene in Salisbury goes, you can see

the cordon at the scene, still in

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place, and another cordon at a

nearby pub, the Mill, and another at

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our high-street Italian restaurant,

Zizzi restaurant, closed since

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Monday. The BBC has heard from the

eyewitness on Sunday afternoon at

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Zizzi restaurant when police believe

Sergei and Yulia Skripal went to the

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restaurant for lunch and the

eyewitness has told the BBC he was

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behaving strangely at the restaurant

at around 1:30pm, shouting and he

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left abruptly. The focus for police

now is trying to piece together the

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timeline of what happened to Sergei

and Yulia Skripal when they came to

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the city centre on Sunday afternoon.

They are appealing for anyone in the

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area from 1pm on Sunday who may have

been at Zizzi restaurant or the pub,

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the Mill, to come forward if they

spotted anything out of the

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ordinary.

The rest of the morning's

news.

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Suspected domestic abusers could be

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electronically tagged,

or banned from drinking

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alcohol and taking drugs,

as part of proposals to tackle

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the problem in England and Wales.

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The Government wants views

on a set of measures,

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which includes the first legal

definition of economic

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abuse and a commissioner

to oversee the issue.

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Jon Donnison reports.

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Euleen Hope suffered

a decade of abuse

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at the hands of her ex-partner.

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Emotional, but also physical.

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She ended up in hospital

more than a dozen times.

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She says she used to grow her fringe

long to cover the black eyes.

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Some people say to me,

why did you not get out sooner?

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Do you really want to look

over your shoulder,

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if you leave a relationship?

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They could still be after you.

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He said, "I'll tell

you when it's over."

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He threatened me and told me

he would organise for someone

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to throw acid in my face.

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In 2015, the man was eventually

jailed for grievous bodily harm

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and assault after Euleen's sister

contacted the police.

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Almost two million people

in England and Wales,

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most of them women, suffered

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domestic abuse last year.

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The Government wants to make it

easier to prosecute perpetrators.

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It is launching a consultation

document before it tries to get

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tougher laws passed.

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Among the proposals,

broadening the legal definition

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of domestic abuse to include

physical, psychological, sexual,

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emotional, but also economic abuse.

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Tougher sentences for cases

involving children.

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And new protection orders to allow

police and courts to intervene more

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quickly when abuse is suspected.

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The consultation period

for the proposed new laws

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will last 12 weeks.

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Jon Donnison, BBC News.

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And we'll be getting

reaction on this story from former

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victims of domestic abuse and others

later in the programme.

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Two teenagers have died

and two children are among

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the injured after a three-car crash

in North Yorkshire.

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The boys, believed to be

17, died at the scene

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of the accident on the A61

near Thirsk last night.

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Five adults and two children

were taken to hospital.

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Police have appealed for anyone who

saw what happened to get in touch.

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The Danish man accused

of murdering a female journalist

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aboard his homemade submarine,

and then cutting up her

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corpse, is on trial this

morning in Copenhagen.

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Inventor Peter Madsen admits

dismembering Kim Wall's body,

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and throwing it out to sea,

but denies killing her.

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Ms Wall was working on a story

about Madsen when she went

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missing last August.

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Our reporter Maddy Savage

is in court - she gave us

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the background to the case.

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It is a bleak's winters day in

Copenhagen, but it has not stopped

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crowds of journalists from around

the world turning up to mark the

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start of this high profile trial.

The background to this case, a warm

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August summer night when the Swedish

freelance journalist Kim Wall who

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had reported for the Guardian and

others, she went to the dockside, a

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50 minute Drive from here, to go

on-board Peter Madsen's submarine.

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She did not return alive after

interviewing him. Parts of her body

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were found on the beach and at the

bottom of the ocean in the weeks and

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months that followed. Peter Madsen

has changed his story a number of

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times about what happened. Initially

said he dropped her off safely, the

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then said he died when a hatch fell

on her head and he's latest story is

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that she died of carbon monoxide

poisoning. He has admitted cutting

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up her body but denies killing her.

The trial is expected to take 12

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days, spread over seven weeks. If he

is convicted of murder, he faces a

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life sentence in Denmark which would

mean 15-17 years in prison without

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parole. He could also be sent to a

secure mental health hospital.

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There has been a rise in women from

Northern Ireland having abortions in

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England after the Government

announced they would not have to pay

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for them. Abortion is illegal in

Northern Ireland except for when a

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woman's life is at risk or a

permanent and serious risk to her

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physical or mental health.

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And Victoria will be

discussing this in more detail

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just after half nine.

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The UK and Saudi Arabia have agreed

plans for a future trade and

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investment programme worth £65

billion. The announcement comes on

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the second day of a visit to the UK

by the Saudi crown to Mohammad bin

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Salman. The packaging please direct

investment in both countries across

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energy, education, health care and

defence -- the package includes

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direct investment.

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Politicians in Florida have

approved a bill to tighten gun

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controls in the State,

following last month's

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deadly school shooting,

which killed 17 people.

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The bill raises the legal age

for buying rifles and imposes

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a three-day waiting period

on all firearms sales.

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It will also allow the arming

of some school staff,

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including teachers, but does not

include a ban on assault-style

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weapons like the one used

in last month's attack.

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The UK's public spending

watchdog has warned that many

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councils in England will become

financially unsustainable

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if they continue to rely

on their reserve funds to pay

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for the increasing

demands of social care.

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The National Audit Office says two

thirds of councils with social

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care responsibilities

raided their reserves

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in the financial year

ending last April.

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The Government says a new funding

settlement has been approved

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for councils to help pay

for the services that keep

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communities running.

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Train passengers will be able to

claim compensation more easily for

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the knock-on costs of delays as part

of changes to ticket terms and

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conditions. Rail companies are

removing a clause which says they

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will not accept any liability for

indirect effects such as commuters

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having to pay for taxis and hotels.

The consumer group Which? had

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previously accused firms of

misleading the public. The soldiers

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of the world Welsh have finally

managed to catch themselves a new

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regimental mascot, formerly wild

goat who to give the troops the slip

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when they first tried to catch him.

Six months of training before taking

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up official duties. The Royal Welsh

have had a goat as a mascot since

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the 18th century. I presume that is

a shot of them trying to catch said

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goat!

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That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 9:30.

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Let us bring you some sport. I'm

just going to tell you what

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interview we are starting our

programme with, an interview with

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Steve, sitting next to me, his

photographs were stolen from his

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Facebook profile and used on dating

sites to con women to handing over

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in some cases thousands of pounds to

scammers. We will speak to him in a

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moment in his first broadcast

interview and a serious message

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which Steve will talk to you about

which is your profile is not your

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own, what is on the is not yours,

anyone can take your stuff. Anyway,

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he will articulate it much better

than I have! The sport now. More

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Champions League football last

night, but all five British teams

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will not be in the quarterfinals,

with some criticism.

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None more so than Juventus

defender Giorgio Chiellini.

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After they knocked Tottenham Hotspur

out of the Champions League 4-3

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on aggregate, he told the media

that he and his teammates knew

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Spurs were weak in defence

and fragile mentally and some

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Tottenham fans may well agree

because although there's no shame

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in being knocked out

by a side that has made two

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of the last three finals

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in the competition, it's

the manner of the goals

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they conceded over the two legs

which will really hurt them.

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Things had started

so well for Spurs.

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They were well on top in the first

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half and deservedly led

through Son Heung Min.

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But then

experience told in the view

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of veteran defender Chiellini

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with Juventus stunning Spurs

with two goals in less

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than three second-half minutes.

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They go through to the last eight,

securing a 2-1 win at Wembley.

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Afterwards Spurs boss

Mauricio Pochettino responded

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to some of that criticism.

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No experience, no lack of

concentration. How many chances we

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concede, in the first leg of the

second leg today, I think we concede

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three chances and they scored twice.

We created a lot of chances and only

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scored one.

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Well, things were far more

comfortable for Manchester City.

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They went into the second leg

of their last 16 tie against

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FC Basel with a 4-0 advantage

from their away tie,

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and there was a collector's item

for the team from Switzerland.

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A 2-1 win on the night making it

City's first home defeat

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since the end of 2016, and just

the fourth time they've lost

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in all competitions this season.

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And it was an even more unusual

story for fans watching

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at the Etihad, as manager

Pep Guardiola said his side

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forgot to attack at times,

but they have been blessed so far

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this season, with some more

entertainment ahead, I'm sure.

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And disappointment for Phil Neville

is the new England women's manager?

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England went into their final match

of the She Believes Cup,

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knowing that a draw

against the United States in Orlando

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would give them an international

tournament victory and a huge boost

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after what's been a tumultuous

period, with the sacking

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of Mark Sampson and the somewhat

unpopular appointment

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of Phil Neville.

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Unfortunately, they just fell short.

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Facing the world's number one side

in their own back yard,

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they put in a strong performance.

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The only difference was an unsightly

piece of defending, which ended up

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with an own goal for keeper

Karen Bardsley,

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much to the disappointment

of Neville.

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Defeat hurts, it is why I kept the

players on the pitch at the end of

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the game, because sometimes you have

to feel that hurt and pain, see the

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opposition lift the trophy, because

it sticks with you, and we hope at

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the next competition, they remember

this pain and it kicks them on even

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more.

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Well, one way of trying

to improve their mood will be

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a visit to Disneyland

when the players wake up,

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but it may be little consolation.

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More sport after ten.

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Good morning, Thursday morning,

welcome to the programme.

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Women across the internet have been

falling for this guy.

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He's handsome, he's fun,

and he's charming.

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Only trouble is, in reality,

he's not only married,

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he's married to a man.

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These pictures are of Steve Bustin.

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He's a 46-year-old public speaking

coach from Brighton.

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But his photos have been stolen

by a scammer, or maybe scammers,

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who've been setting up profiles

on Facebook and a dating site,

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to lure women into falling for him,

before asking for money.

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We've heard before on this programme

from women who've been duped

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by internet fraudsters,

but what's it like to have your

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whole identity stolen by them?

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Let's talk to Steve Bustin now.

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You're a professional man,

fairly active on social media,

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it's part of your job,

but about two years ago,

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one day you find out

someone's using your photos

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to create a Facebook profile.

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What happened?

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Yeah, I suddenly had people, friends

of mine on Facebook, saying, I had a

0:18:530:18:57

friend request from somebody using

your photos, is this you? That

0:18:570:19:04

escalated, I found profiles not in

my name at using the photos, and at

0:19:040:19:09

that point you could report to

Facebook that somebody was trying to

0:19:090:19:12

be you, you could only report that

they were trying to be some deals. I

0:19:120:19:16

had to get my friends to message

Facebook, and eventually they

0:19:160:19:22

flagged up my profile, and I got a

message from someone saying, it is

0:19:220:19:25

not just Facebook, I was on a dating

site, I thought I was chatting to

0:19:250:19:30

you. This was when I realised it had

gone further, so what's on point my

0:19:300:19:35

photos have been harvested, script

off my profile and sold. So data is

0:19:350:19:41

sold, and images are sold as well.

That allows people to do something

0:19:410:19:46

like this.

You have given us some

photographs of you which have been

0:19:460:19:49

used by the scammer scammers, let's

just think why your photographs were

0:19:490:19:58

used. There is a picture of you with

your sister, which we are going to

0:19:580:20:02

show any minute now. Why do think a

picture of you and your sister was

0:20:020:20:07

used?

Well, I know exactly why,

because the most recent woman I have

0:20:070:20:11

been in contact with, that is my

sister Nicola about three years ago,

0:20:110:20:21

but Martin, the most recent scammer,

we don't know his real name, he sent

0:20:210:20:27

that to a woman who contacted me

about three weeks ago and told her

0:20:270:20:31

that was him with his deceased wife.

Now, my sister is not terribly happy

0:20:310:20:36

about that, understandably, and it

is just wrong to be telling stories

0:20:360:20:42

about people that clearly aren't

true.

But the image and the story,

0:20:420:20:47

the fake story, which suggests that

you are a widower, that you are mid

0:20:470:20:55

50s perhaps, generally trustworthy,

is that what is going on there?

It

0:20:550:21:00

seems to be, yes.

This is you had a

Halloween party, how does this fit

0:21:000:21:05

in?

This is actually me at work,

weirdly! I was compere in a

0:21:050:21:10

Halloween ball last year. But it

means he has come back to my profile

0:21:100:21:15

multiple times to look for both

Dominic more photos to update. Most

0:21:150:21:21

of them ten years old, but this is

last October. Ian has come back to

0:21:210:21:25

refresh the file. He knows my name,

he has come back, and he knows where

0:21:250:21:33

to go to find more material.

And

this is you with your dog, let's

0:21:330:21:39

have a look at this, what does this

image portrayed to women looking for

0:21:390:21:43

a relationship? I suspect it

hopefully says cultured, because I

0:21:430:21:46

was reading!

At ease with animals...

Nice guy, you got a dog, must be

0:21:460:21:53

nice.

The scammer told the most

recent woman, Constance, that the

0:21:530:22:00

dog died last year, but she is very

much alive, so slightly odd that he

0:22:000:22:05

is making up these stories. I guess

he wanted it to seem like there was

0:22:050:22:09

a whole life there, I use social

media for business, but also family

0:22:090:22:13

and social stop. -- social stop.

0:22:130:22:22

and social stop. -- social stop.

But

it is not just still images, I'm

0:22:220:22:24

going to play this now for our

audience, let's just play it first,

0:22:240:22:28

you can explain what is going on.

This is Martin Petersen...

His

0:22:280:22:36

voice, my face, and a woman he was

talking to, Constance.

0:22:360:22:46

To actually talk properly.

0:22:460:22:49

It's because of where

I am in Bahrain.

0:22:490:22:51

Yes?

0:22:510:22:52

The internet is horrible.

0:22:520:22:53

Yes, I know.

0:22:530:22:54

It keeps stopping.

0:22:540:22:58

Well, you keep stopping

as well, and then the line

0:22:580:23:00

keeps breaking as well.

0:23:000:23:03

Oh, that's a shame.

0:23:030:23:06

It's good to see you.

0:23:060:23:08

How are you doing?

0:23:080:23:09

How is your Sunday going?

0:23:090:23:11

It's good to see you as well.

0:23:110:23:12

How is your Sunday going?

0:23:120:23:15

How was my what?

0:23:150:23:19

How is your Sunday going?

0:23:190:23:24

Oh, it's good, it is good.

0:23:240:23:25

Yes, it's lovely and sunny here,

so I've been in the garden.

0:23:250:23:30

Are you home alone?

0:23:300:23:32

Yes, I am today.

0:23:320:23:37

Where is everyone?

0:23:370:23:40

They've all gone home.

0:23:400:23:41

They live in London.

0:23:410:23:45

Are you coming home soon?

0:23:450:23:47

Are you coming home next weekend?

0:23:470:23:51

I'm coming in two

weeks, unfortunately.

0:23:510:23:54

Oh, OK, so an extra one.

0:23:540:23:59

I mean, I will be here

just before you know it.

0:23:590:24:06

I know, OK.

0:24:060:24:07

Then we can talk about

what we're going to do.

0:24:070:24:15

Can you hear me?

0:24:160:24:17

Yes, I can hear you.

0:24:170:24:21

Should I call you on a normal

call so we can talk?

0:24:210:24:25

Because this Skype thing

is not working for me.

0:24:250:24:28

It's working occasionally, a bit.

0:24:280:24:35

So let me call you on the phone,

if that's OK with you?

0:24:350:24:38

OK.

0:24:380:24:40

All right, let's do that.

0:24:400:24:43

All right.

0:24:430:24:50

So he took real footage of you and

made it look like the signal was

0:24:500:24:53

breaking up. Where did he get that

from?

I had to hunt for that, when

0:24:530:25:00

Constance said to me, by the time

that call to place, we were onto

0:25:000:25:04

him, so double was stringing him

along.

She agreed to do that and all

0:25:040:25:11

us to show it today.

It is not on my

YouTube channel or my Facebook

0:25:110:25:18

profile, so he had really had to try

and find that.

The all point is that

0:25:180:25:22

he is trying to Leo women into some

kind of relationship and, very early

0:25:220:25:26

on, he begins to ask for money. You

have met some of the women,

0:25:260:25:31

Constance is one of them, what were

they told?

It is very standard, he

0:25:310:25:37

is always a widower, tends to be

late 50s, often has to work abroad.

0:25:370:25:41

In that case, he was supposedly in

Bahrain, no idea where he was. But

0:25:410:25:46

when they are abroad, something goes

wrong, all of a sudden, could I have

0:25:460:25:50

some money, please? With Constance,

he had very recently said he had

0:25:500:25:55

been involved in a car accident,

sent a photograph of me after a

0:25:550:26:01

gardening accident, with blood on my

face, building up to asking for

0:26:010:26:04

money. Some of the other women have

been asked for thousands of pounds.

0:26:040:26:09

And have given thousands of pounds?

The women I have spoken to, no, they

0:26:090:26:14

have got suspicious in time, and

that is when they have done a

0:26:140:26:18

reverse Google image search, you can

find out where the image came from.

0:26:180:26:24

So, thankfully, I hate to think how

many women are dating me, somebody

0:26:240:26:30

who looks like me.

And you want to

get in touch with them all?

I would

0:26:300:26:35

love to know how many women are

dating somebody using my photos, it

0:26:350:26:40

would be great, get them together, I

will throw a party, we will invite

0:26:400:26:43

some single straight men, which is

what they are hoping to do!

Tim

0:26:430:26:50

says, locking your Facebook profile

is nothing new, so Facebook is

0:26:500:26:54

toeing the line, but if strangers

have got the photos, that is the

0:26:540:26:57

fault of the user.

To an extent,

yes, I do use Facebook, I have

0:26:570:27:02

always wanted to be open, because I

want people to be able to find me.

0:27:020:27:06

To an extent, I do put my life out

there. But that doesn't give

0:27:060:27:11

somebody permission to come and

steal it and use it for the various

0:27:110:27:14

purposes. But I think it does

highlight the fact that social media

0:27:140:27:20

is a public forum, and, yes, you can

shut your profile right down. Even

0:27:200:27:23

then, you would be surprised how

much information people can find.

0:27:230:27:26

You have to remember, when you put

something on social media, you are

0:27:260:27:30

really posting in public, you have

to bear that in mind. If there is

0:27:300:27:34

something you would not want seen in

public, don't post it. But I am not

0:27:340:27:38

sane people should not be posting on

social media, it is brilliant. But

0:27:380:27:41

just have an awareness it is out in

public.

But you want to campaign now

0:27:410:27:46

for a change in the law that would

stop this happening?

Ideally. I

0:27:460:27:51

mean, cat fishing is not illegal,

strangely.

What does it mean?

It is

0:27:510:27:59

the scamming of people using false

identities, and these scammers...

0:27:590:28:06

Oh, but it is illegal, it is fraud.

I have reported it to the police,

0:28:060:28:11

they are not interested, because

ultimately it is low-level, and at

0:28:110:28:16

this point there has been no

financial loss.

That you know of.

0:28:160:28:20

Certainly for me or Constance, but I

think there needs to be a more

0:28:200:28:25

explicit law around catfishing, it

is about identity theft, and it

0:28:250:28:31

doesn't sit in an obvious place in

the law. I think there is an onus on

0:28:310:28:36

the social media platforms to

tighten up and make people aware,

0:28:360:28:39

and Facebook are getting much better

at that. Twitter have got a lot to

0:28:390:28:43

learn. But also the dating sites, at

the moment their verification is

0:28:430:28:47

they ask you to send a photo, so

this guy just sent in my photo. That

0:28:470:28:52

is useless. When I have approached

the dating sites, their response has

0:28:520:28:56

been really poor. I do think there

needs to be something coming from

0:28:560:29:01

the Government in terms of laws,

enforcing websites that are hosting

0:29:010:29:05

profiles to tighten up their

security and make sure that people

0:29:050:29:09

control what can and cannot be seen

in public.

What does your husband

0:29:090:29:13

think of this?

You thought it was

funny at first, but then we saw the

0:29:130:29:18

video, and he mocked up a passport

with my photo, we felt it was more

0:29:180:29:22

serious. I had to reassure them that

he is safe, that these partners are

0:29:220:29:30

not my style! I have been within 16

years, we are very happy.

Thank you

0:29:300:29:34

for joining us.

0:29:340:29:37

Now listen to this.

0:29:370:29:40

It's what Rufaro Chisango,

a young black female student

0:29:400:29:42

at Nottingham Trent University

training to be a youth worker, had

0:29:420:29:45

to listen to from inside her room.

0:29:450:29:47

The abuse happened earlier this week

as drunken students congregated

0:29:470:29:49

outside of her room,

but after no response

0:29:490:29:52

from the university,

she put her footage up

0:29:520:29:54

on Twitter yesterday.

0:29:540:29:55

We have bleeped some of the words.

0:29:550:30:03

INAUDIBLE.

0:30:030:30:05

Leave her alone!

0:30:050:30:09

What was that, sorry?

0:30:090:30:15

# Say ooh-ah, BLEEP the blacks

0:30:150:30:17

# Say ooh-ah, BLEEP the blacks

0:30:170:30:25

# Say ooh-ah, BLEEP the blacks

0:30:250:30:28

A black woman...

0:30:280:30:30

# We hate the blacks

# We hate the blacks

0:30:300:30:35

INAUDIBLE.

# We hate the blacks

0:30:350:30:36

We hate blacks!

# We hate the blacks

0:30:360:30:38

We hate white people!

# We hate the blacks

0:30:380:30:39

White people are BLEEP.

# We hate the blacks

0:30:390:30:41

White people are...

# We hate the blacks

0:30:410:30:48

ALL TALK AT ONCE.

0:30:500:30:53

The blacks and the whites

are congregating.

0:30:530:30:55

I have a dream.

0:30:550:30:56

I have a dream.

0:30:560:30:57

I had a dream.

0:30:570:30:58

INAUDIBLE.

0:30:580:31:06

Let us talk to Rufaro now.

0:31:170:31:22

We are joined now by Mary Okpo,

the vice president of

0:31:220:31:25

Nottingham Trent Afro-Caribbean

Society.

0:31:250:31:26

What was the impact of what you were

hearing on new, Rufaro?

A big

0:31:260:31:32

impact, obviously. When it happened,

I just got home, five, ten minutes

0:31:320:31:40

later, I heard shouting from outside

my door, and I was just shocked,

0:31:400:31:46

that was my initial thought, really

shocked. I felt very isolated and

0:31:460:31:50

uncomfortable.

Sorry to interrupt,

without naming any names, do you

0:31:500:31:57

know the people who were shouting?

Yeah, I know who they are.

Have you

0:31:570:32:03

seen them since?

No, I haven't.

What

did you do? What complaint did you

0:32:030:32:10

make to the University?

I went to

the reception and I complained that

0:32:100:32:16

there was racial abuse outside my

corridor so they took a statement

0:32:160:32:21

and my details and stuff and they

said they would get back to me by

0:32:210:32:25

the morning, then they would have

spoken to them, because they all

0:32:250:32:30

went out that night. They didn't

contact me.

Since it happened, no

0:32:300:32:37

one has got in touch with you in

terms of university officials?

After

0:32:370:32:44

I put it on Twitter, that is when I

got more contact from the

0:32:440:32:47

University. This morning, someone

came from the University and had a

0:32:470:32:53

chat with me. I gave my statement to

them as well. I had e-mailed them as

0:32:530:32:57

well before.

What have you asked

them to do? What do you expect them

0:32:570:33:04

to do?

I just want them to take more

action on what is happening. I just

0:33:040:33:09

want the appropriate action to take

place. Obviously, it is racial

0:33:090:33:15

abuse, it should not be tolerated at

all. It should not have such a long

0:33:150:33:20

delay when I report something like

this.

Has this happened to you

0:33:200:33:26

before, Rufaro?

No, this hasn't

happened to me before.

Have you

0:33:260:33:29

considered contacting the police?

Yes, I have considered contacting

0:33:290:33:36

them but I wanted to see what the

university would do first.

OK. We're

0:33:360:33:41

hoping to talk to the vice president

of Nottingham Trent Afro-Caribbean

0:33:410:33:45

society but we have just lost the

line. In terms of your accommodation

0:33:450:33:52

scenario, do you feel comfortable

still residing in the room you are

0:33:520:33:57

in?

I feel OK now because more

action is taking place.

I'll going

0:33:570:34:05

to bring in Mary, if I made, Rufaro.

Hello, can you hear me, Mary?

Good

0:34:050:34:11

morning.

What would you expect the

university to do?

Anything that is

0:34:110:34:18

adequate.

What does that mean in

practical terms?

I don't know, a

0:34:180:34:24

suspension for the students, this is

unacceptable. As Steve Bustin is a

0:34:240:34:29

member of our committee, we have a

level of response ability to her --

0:34:290:34:35

as Rufaro is a member.

A suspension

to the students involved if they

0:34:350:34:44

are...

At the very least.

What at

the very worst?

Expulsion.

Really?

0:34:440:34:53

It is unacceptable. No

justification. Whether they were

0:34:530:35:00

inebriated or not, there is nothing

that can justify what they said. She

0:35:000:35:04

clearly was in a state of distress,

this could have affected her

0:35:040:35:09

incredibly, but she is a strong

girl, she has come through this,

0:35:090:35:13

with our support and the support of

her friends and family, but this was

0:35:130:35:16

a terrible incident.

How shocked you

buy that kind of language in Britain

0:35:160:35:25

in 2018? -- how shocked are you buy

that kind of language in Britain in

0:35:250:35:30

2018?

It is something I did not

think I would see. I wiz had an idea

0:35:300:35:35

racism was covert, but for it to be

so overtly open in 2018, it is

0:35:350:35:41

something that shocked me to the

highest -- I always had an idea

0:35:410:35:46

racism was Cofer.

Have you come

across this before at your

0:35:460:35:49

university?

I know there have been

other incidents at the University.

0:35:490:35:55

Not me, personally.

How rare are

they? How common are they?

I would

0:35:550:36:04

not say they are common, it is very

row, this is the second time it has

0:36:040:36:08

happened in the past year that I

know of. I would not say it is

0:36:080:36:12

common, but it is something that

should not happen at all in the

0:36:120:36:16

first place.

I have a statement from

Nottingham Trent University, we are

0:36:160:36:20

shocked and appalled to see the

video of racist chanting, this kind

0:36:200:36:23

of behaviour will not be tolerated.

Those suspected perpetrators have

0:36:230:36:27

been suspended pending a full

investigation. OK, that is just in.

0:36:270:36:35

We have contacted the student who

made the complaint and we are

0:36:350:36:38

supporting her and others affecting

and we will be liaising with the

0:36:380:36:41

police about this incident. While an

investigation is carried out, the

0:36:410:36:47

suspects have been suspended. How do

you respond to that?

Great. Because

0:36:470:36:54

no one should be able to get away

with this kind of disrespect, this

0:36:540:36:59

kind of racist behaviour in this

society today. I am happy.

Thank you

0:36:590:37:04

very much for talking to us, Mary,

vice president of Nottingham Trent

0:37:040:37:10

Afro-Caribbean Society. And you

heard first from Rufaro who posted

0:37:100:37:16

the footage on Twitter.

0:37:160:37:19

Still to come...

0:37:190:37:20

We'll be discussing the increase

of women from Northern Ireland

0:37:200:37:23

having abortions in England.

0:37:230:37:26

That is since charges were dropped

last summer, the number coming have

0:37:260:37:31

increased.

0:37:310:37:36

Some people are saying

their Amazon Alexa device has

0:37:360:37:38

been been letting out

an unprompted, creepy cackle.

0:37:380:37:40

It appears to happen without

any previous interaction.

0:37:400:37:42

Spooky or what?

0:37:420:37:45

Time for the latest news.

0:37:450:37:46

Here's Annita McVeigh.

0:37:460:37:47

The BBC News headlines this morning.

0:37:470:37:52

The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, is

due to make a statement this

0:37:520:37:55

lunchtime in the House of Commons

about the nerve agent used in the

0:37:550:37:58

attempted murder of a former Russian

spy and his daughter.

0:37:580:38:03

While police have now identified

the type of chemical,

0:38:030:38:05

it's not yet known where it was made

or who could have

0:38:050:38:08

carried out the attack.

0:38:080:38:09

Sergei and Yulia Skripal remain

in a critical condition in hospital.

0:38:090:38:12

A policeman who went to help them

was also seriously injured.

0:38:120:38:15

Suspected domestic abusers could be

electronically tagged,

0:38:150:38:17

as part of new government proposals.

0:38:170:38:20

A consultation has been launched

on a set of measures

0:38:200:38:25

for England and Wales,

which also include the first legal

0:38:250:38:27

definition of economic

abuse and a commissioner

0:38:270:38:29

to oversee the issue.

0:38:290:38:34

The Government is also

suggesting tougher sentences

0:38:340:38:35

for cases involving children,

and possible court orders

0:38:350:38:37

which could include

tagging or alcohol bans.

0:38:370:38:40

Two teenagers have died

and two children are among

0:38:400:38:42

the injured after a three-car

crash in North Yorkshire.

0:38:420:38:45

The boys, believed to be

17, died at the scene

0:38:450:38:49

on the A61 near Thirsk last night.

0:38:490:38:51

Five adults and two children

were taken to hospital.

0:38:510:38:56

Police have appealed for anyone who

saw what happened to get in touch.

0:38:560:39:00

The trial of a Danish man accused of

murdering a female journalist on

0:39:000:39:06

board of his home-made submarine and

then cutting up her corpse has

0:39:060:39:10

opened in Copenhagen.

0:39:100:39:13

Inventor Peter Madsen admits

dismembering Kim Wall's body,

0:39:130:39:15

and throwing it out to sea,

but denies killing her.

0:39:150:39:17

Ms Wall was working on a story

about Madsen when she went

0:39:170:39:20

missing last August.

0:39:200:39:21

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

0:39:210:39:24

Thank you. An e-mail here from a

woman who does not wish us to use

0:39:240:39:29

her name, that is absolutely fine,

I'm so glad you are covering the

0:39:290:39:34

scamming topic, I was victim to the

same scam two years ago, I have had

0:39:340:39:40

to keep it secret as I did not know

who to share it with, I am so

0:39:400:39:44

embarrassed over my desperation to

find love and it going pear shaped.

0:39:440:39:48

I paid £200 and it was to an address

in Ghana. The man was on a highly

0:39:480:39:53

advertised dating website and said

he was in the US

0:39:530:40:00

he was in the US military and rank.

Looking to retire shortly and hard

0:40:030:40:05

up for cash because he had been off

sick. His photos were so slick and

0:40:050:40:08

the conversations really attractive,

I believed I was in this

0:40:080:40:12

relationship with him for eight

months. After picking up on spelling

0:40:120:40:17

errors and I knew I had been conned,

I tried to trace him and the area it

0:40:170:40:22

came to be was a library in America.

Thank you very much for letting us

0:40:220:40:27

know. If you have been a victim of a

similar scam, let us know. We do not

0:40:270:40:35

need to use your name, you know

that. Here is the sport. Mauricio

0:40:350:40:44

Pochettino denies his side's lack of

experience was to blame for the

0:40:440:40:47

Champions League exit at the hands

of Juventus last night. The Italians

0:40:470:40:52

champions go through after coming

from behind that the 2-1 win at

0:40:520:40:55

Wembley

0:40:550:40:57

from behind that the 2-1 win at

Wembley, it ended 4-3 on aggregate.

0:40:570:41:02

Manchester City's boss Pep Guardiola

said his team forgot to attack, they

0:41:020:41:06

lost 2-110 FC Basel. They make it

through to the quarters but they

0:41:060:41:10

were beaten at home for the first

time since 2016. England's women

0:41:100:41:16

head coach Phil Neville has urged

the players to remember the pain of

0:41:160:41:19

missing out on winning the

couple-macro last night. They needed

0:41:190:41:21

a draw against the US but they were

beaten in Orlando. Rugby Union

0:41:210:41:29

Captain Dylan Hartley will miss

their Six Nations match against

0:41:290:41:32

France this weekend with a calf

injury meaning Owen Farrell will

0:41:320:41:36

captain England instead for the

first time. We will be back with

0:41:360:41:41

more sport after 10am. Let me bring

you this news. Terrorism related

0:41:410:41:49

offences in Britain and arrests, a

record 412 arrests for suspected

0:41:490:41:53

terrorism offences in the UK in

2017, Home Office figures just out.

0:41:530:42:02

Next, this programme can reveal

there has been a 14% increase in

0:42:040:42:07

women from Northern Ireland having

abortions in England since the

0:42:070:42:13

Government announced at the end of

June last year that women would no

0:42:130:42:16

longer have to pay for them.

0:42:160:42:21

In the last eight months,

at least 553 women travelled

0:42:210:42:23

from the country to England

to terminate their pregnancy.

0:42:230:42:25

Abortion is illegal

in Northern Ireland,

0:42:250:42:27

except for when a woman's life

is at risk or there is a permanent

0:42:270:42:30

and serious risk to her

physical or mental health.

0:42:300:42:35

But women can travel to mainland

Britain to have a termination.

0:42:350:42:38

They used to be charged £900,

but now they can have them for free.

0:42:380:42:42

Labour MP Stella Creasy

campaigned to get the charges

0:42:420:42:45

dropped last year,

0:42:450:42:46

and she's now leading a cross-party

group of politicians calling

0:42:460:42:49

on the Government to provide equal

0:42:490:42:50

access in Northern Ireland

so women no longer have

0:42:500:42:56

to travel to the mainland.

0:42:560:42:59

She joins us now from Westminster.

0:42:590:43:04

And in Belfast, we can speak

to Emma Campbell from

0:43:040:43:06

the pro-choice campaign group

Alliance for Choice.

0:43:060:43:10

Hello, both of you, thank you for

talking to us. Stella Creasy, your

0:43:100:43:14

reaction to the 14% increase since

abortions became free in this

0:43:140:43:20

country for women from Northern

Ireland?

It reveals the scale of the

0:43:200:43:24

need to address this issue. It is

simply unconscionable that in 2018

0:43:240:43:28

part of our nation, Northern Ireland

is part of the UK, we treat women

0:43:280:43:35

there differently than here in

London or Birmingham or Manchester

0:43:350:43:39

and what the data tells us is that

we need to go further because it is

0:43:390:43:43

not fair to ask women to travel. The

UN Convention on violence against

0:43:430:43:48

women has identified that asking

women in Northern Ireland to travel

0:43:480:43:52

to England to have an abortion is an

inhuman and degrading thing to do.

I

0:43:520:43:56

will ask you more about that in a

moment, I want to get reaction from

0:43:560:44:01

Emma as well to these figures we

have obtained.

We know that a number

0:44:010:44:06

of women travelling to the UK for

abortion treatment in the last five

0:44:060:44:10

years has dropped and we know

anecdotally that was because of use

0:44:100:44:17

of abortion pills people obtained

online and took illegally. Although

0:44:170:44:21

they were safe, we can see from the

recent prosecutions that it was

0:44:210:44:25

actually illegal. We understand

these figures to mean that people

0:44:250:44:29

are no longer willing to risk the

prosecution and they would rather

0:44:290:44:35

travel to access abortions than risk

this criminalisation. However, in

0:44:350:44:39

the week the funding was announced,

we had two phone calls from

0:44:390:44:44

different women unable to travel to

England, won because of violent

0:44:440:44:49

ex-partner destroyed all of her

identification and another because

0:44:490:44:52

she had a very young child and there

was no way for her to travel -- one

0:44:520:44:58

because of a violent ex-partner.

Although women can access the

0:44:580:45:11

treatment in the UK, there are often

women left behind because they

0:45:120:45:14

cannot travel.

What do you say about

that?

I agree with Stella and she

0:45:140:45:17

has been doing sterling work in

helping us campaign for a change in

0:45:170:45:19

Northern Ireland so women can access

it on equal terms to women in

0:45:190:45:23

England and Wales.

Stella Creasy,

why do you say the current

0:45:230:45:28

legislation is leading to, as you

said in your letter to the Minister

0:45:280:45:32

for Women and equality is, the Home

Secretary, Amber Rudd, leading to

0:45:320:45:36

torture or cruel and inhuman and

degrading treatment?

0:45:360:45:42

It is the United Nations committee

who says that, they have done an

0:45:420:45:47

inquiry into the situation in

Northern Ireland. The Government

0:45:470:45:49

told us they would ratify something

called the Istanbul convention which

0:45:490:45:54

is about ending violence against

women. In order to do that, they

0:45:540:45:57

have to tackle this issue, because

it is a fundamental human right to

0:45:570:46:01

have control over your body, and

that is what we are talking about.

0:46:010:46:05

We treat women Northern Ireland

differently, we forced them to

0:46:050:46:08

continue a pregnancy when they don't

want to, it is inhumane and it is

0:46:080:46:13

torture.

But this is a devolved

issue, so it is up to the Northern

0:46:130:46:18

Ireland Assembly, isn't it?

I am

curious as to why women's rights is

0:46:180:46:22

something we can devolve, but the

Government said they would allow a

0:46:220:46:26

free vote in the House of Commons

about extending same-sex marriage to

0:46:260:46:32

Northern Ireland, because we treat

the community that was differently.

0:46:320:46:34

I think you should be able to marry

who you love, but I don't understand

0:46:340:46:38

we recognise that as a human right

and the Government therefore needs

0:46:380:46:43

to act on that, but somehow when it

comes to women's rights, it is OK to

0:46:430:46:48

devolve. Crucially, the Northern

Ireland public opinion is with us as

0:46:480:46:53

well, it is the politicians you are

not listening to the people. They

0:46:530:46:56

want women to be able to access...

Nobody is saying we want to

0:46:560:46:59

encourage lots of abortions, but we

are saying it is a human right to

0:46:590:47:03

control what happens to your body.

The public wanted, why do women's

0:47:030:47:08

rights becomes something we can

devolve, but with other human

0:47:080:47:11

rights, we recognise we have to act?

The Home Office says, and they are

0:47:110:47:16

argument, the provision of abortion

services in Northern Ireland is a

0:47:160:47:19

matter for the Northern Ireland

Assembly.

So why are we saying we

0:47:190:47:23

will act on same-sex marriage but

not on women's rights? That seems to

0:47:230:47:26

me like we are being selective about

our fight for equality. This is

0:47:260:47:31

International Women's Day, you know,

feminist Christmas, as we like to

0:47:310:47:35

call it! But it is not enough to

march or use a hashtag, we need to

0:47:350:47:40

make progress, and when it comes to

abortion, a fundamental human right,

0:47:400:47:43

we have got a long way to go. This

Government was propping up Donald

0:47:430:47:48

Trump and the global gag rule. The

fact that we are treating women in

0:47:480:47:51

Northern Ireland differently, the

United Nations are calling us out,

0:47:510:47:55

and the question is, are we going to

act?

I can only see the first word

0:47:550:48:01

on your T-shirt, repeal, what is the

rest of it? I am wearing this to

0:48:010:48:04

stand in solidarity with brothers

and sisters in Ireland who are

0:48:040:48:08

having a referendum on repealing the

eighth amendment of the Irish Guards

0:48:080:48:12

and not with a label them to provide

abortion to women in island. -- the

0:48:120:48:19

Irish constitution. Women in Ireland

are having to travel to England, and

0:48:190:48:23

it is a fundamental human rights to

access health care, and reproductive

0:48:230:48:27

rights are crucial to equality. We

are saying we will fight with you

0:48:270:48:36

for human rights.

Thank you very much, Stella Creasy,

0:48:360:48:38

Emma Campbell, we have many messages

from you about the student, sorry,

0:48:380:48:45

let me tell you about this, we

contacted the Department of Health

0:48:450:48:50

and the Northern Ireland executive,

but they did not respond. Messages

0:48:500:48:54

about the racist footage posted on

Twitter by a student who was the

0:48:540:48:59

victim of it, Kari says, the racist

behaviour towards this young woman

0:48:590:49:03

should be investigated by the

university and the culprits should

0:49:030:49:07

be expelled. In the workplace, they

would lose their jobs and possibly

0:49:070:49:11

charges being brought against them,

no human being should have to go

0:49:110:49:14

through this. And this text goes on,

I am white brochures and a mum, and

0:49:140:49:21

I feel really sorry for this young

woman, I would be devastated if my

0:49:210:49:25

child was subjected to this sort of

behaviour, she has the support of

0:49:250:49:28

all this and people. This text is

anonymous, the students using racist

0:49:280:49:32

language should be expelled. Ken

says, it makes me embarrassed to be

0:49:320:49:39

British, I cannot believe young

people at university are allowed to

0:49:390:49:42

do that, they need to be kicked out,

they should be zero-tolerance. Peter

0:49:420:49:47

says, remove them and prosecute

them. Nottingham Trent university

0:49:470:49:50

have suspended the suspects while

the matter is investigated.

0:49:500:49:56

The trial of a Danish inventor

accused of murdering a Swedish

0:49:560:50:00

journalist on his self-built

submarine last August

0:50:000:50:02

has started in Copenhagen.

0:50:020:50:04

Peter Madsen has admitted

dismembering Kim Wall's body

0:50:040:50:08

and throwing it out

to sea but denies murder.

0:50:080:50:12

Louisa Dalsgaard is

a court reporter for DR,

0:50:120:50:13

the official Danish broadcasting

corporation in English.

0:50:130:50:21

Thank you for talking to us.

You are

welcome.

Tell us what happened to

0:50:230:50:28

the journalist.

Well, the police

think the journalist has been killed

0:50:280:50:35

on board of this submarine. Thursday

the 10th of August last year, they

0:50:350:50:40

think that Peter Madsen, the

submarine builder and owner of the

0:50:400:50:43

submarine, has killed her, he has

dismembered her body, and he has

0:50:430:50:49

done it so that he has plundered and

he has brought different things, a

0:50:490:50:57

saw to dismember her body, so I

planned murder.

0:50:570:51:05

planned murder.

ETA denies killing

Kim Wall, but he has changed his

0:51:050:51:07

story a number of times. -- he

denied.

It started when they found

0:51:070:51:13

him on board the submarine, they

have been searching for the

0:51:130:51:15

submarine the whole night, and they

found him and the submarine sank. He

0:51:150:51:19

told the police at that time that he

had dropped Kim Wall off the same

0:51:190:51:25

night, and that she had not been on

the submarine the whole night. Then

0:51:250:51:28

he changed his story to that she had

died from a accident on the

0:51:280:51:33

submarine, she had been hit by the

winch in the submarine, and then she

0:51:330:51:37

died. And then later he told police

that she died from a poisoning of

0:51:370:51:43

some sort, he couldn't tell, we

don't know yet what he told the

0:51:430:51:47

police the last time, but he keeps

on saying that it was an accident,

0:51:470:51:51

he has not killed her, but he admits

to having dismembered her body.

At

0:51:510:51:58

the trial is expected to last 12

days, thank you very much, court

0:51:580:52:03

reporter at the official Danish

broadcasting corporation in English.

0:52:030:52:08

A report published this morning

gives a damming account

0:52:080:52:11

of the financial state of local

authorities in England and Wales.

0:52:110:52:13

Councils do now have greater freedom

to raise council tax than before,

0:52:130:52:16

but the money they get from central

government has been

0:52:160:52:18

significantly reduced.

0:52:180:52:21

The National Audit Office says

many are now relying on reserves,

0:52:210:52:24

which will eventually run out.

0:52:240:52:25

One of the services provided

by councils is social care,

0:52:250:52:28

an area which is facing

a sharp increase in demand

0:52:280:52:31

as the population ages.

0:52:310:52:32

So could the ability of councils

to provide social care services

0:52:320:52:35

safely be under threat?

0:52:350:52:39

With us in the studio,

Nadra Ahmed,

0:52:390:52:41

chair of the National Care

Association,

0:52:410:52:46

which represents small to medium

sized independent care homes,

0:52:460:52:48

and John Fuller,

the Conservative leader

0:52:480:52:50

of South Norfolk Council

and vice chairman

0:52:500:52:53

of the Local Government

Association's Resources Board.

0:52:530:52:54

How do you react to

the NAO's findings?

0:52:540:53:01

Well, councils have been saying this

for a long time, saying that we are

0:53:010:53:06

facing a triple whammy, the amount

of support from government is

0:53:060:53:09

falling, the demand for services is

increasing, and inflationary

0:53:090:53:14

pressures and councils are higher

than ever. We would say that,

0:53:140:53:17

wouldn't we? But the NAO has shone a

spotlight on some of the real

0:53:170:53:21

issues, funding pressures we are

facing, and adult social care is one

0:53:210:53:25

of those.

Is the Government

listening to you?

Let's face it, the

0:53:250:53:31

general election and the

Conservative manifesto got hung up

0:53:310:53:33

on adult social care, it is a really

tricky issue, and this is something

0:53:330:53:38

more than just councils, something

where a new settlement between

0:53:380:53:41

government and councils, who

delivers social care. We have an NHS

0:53:410:53:45

but a local care service, and the

demand for social care, and not just

0:53:450:53:49

for old people, but people of all

ages, is growing faster than the

0:53:490:53:53

ability of councils to raise council

tax.

You are not just financially

0:53:530:53:59

stretched because of social care, so

is anyone in government listening to

0:53:590:54:03

what even Conservative leaders are

saying?

Government is listening,

0:54:030:54:08

they have made a series of small

adjustments over the last few weeks,

0:54:080:54:11

but we are all waiting with bated

breath for the green paper on social

0:54:110:54:16

care which will be published in

June.

How close is your council to

0:54:160:54:19

running out of money?

We have had to

innovate and grow income, we are

0:54:190:54:24

building houses again in a way we

did not before. We are in for a

0:54:240:54:29

standing count, I would say.

What

does that mean?

We can keep our

0:54:290:54:34

heads above water, but there are

many authorities who have social

0:54:340:54:38

care responsibilities, over half

their total budget is going on

0:54:380:54:42

social care, and we do 136 services.

Left unchecked, the amount of money

0:54:420:54:47

required to pay for social care at a

local level would overwhelm the rest

0:54:470:54:51

of the things that councils do.

What

is your take on this?

The challenge

0:54:510:54:59

is substantial, but it has been

known about for quite some time, at

0:54:590:55:02

least two and a half decades we have

none.

So how shocked you that

0:55:020:55:07

government after government tries a

bit to do something but never in the

0:55:070:55:10

end comes up with anything because

it is too difficult?

We are

0:55:100:55:14

absolutely stunned that, having said

this for such a long time, both to

0:55:140:55:18

local government and to national

government, we have had this kind of

0:55:180:55:24

cut, cuts, cut, if you like,

ongoing. The people who are

0:55:240:55:28

suffering are at the receiving end

of this, and the provider sector

0:55:280:55:31

that I represent is having to meet

those challenges, despite the fact

0:55:310:55:37

that funding is not in place. So the

challenge for us will always be that

0:55:370:55:42

central government needs to

understand and to listen to the

0:55:420:55:45

facts. The fact that there, they are

blatant, there are numerous reports

0:55:450:55:50

that have said we can't keep cutting

social care, but despite it, we get

0:55:500:55:55

it all the time. Health has got to

understand about the integration, we

0:55:550:55:59

have got to understand what

integration means, and how we can

0:55:590:56:03

save money from actually making it

happen.

So the Government would say,

0:56:030:56:09

in England and Wales, health funding

has been protected, ringfenced, that

0:56:090:56:13

is true, but they have cut social

care, hence people end up in

0:56:130:56:18

hospitals, staying there, blocking

beds, because there is nowhere for

0:56:180:56:21

them to go in the community. It is

just with describing what social

0:56:210:56:27

care is, because not everybody is

clear what it means.

Social care is

0:56:270:56:32

when people who have vulnerable

needs, not just old people...

Mostly

0:56:320:56:36

it is.

The fastest-growing part of

social care is people of working

0:56:360:56:41

age, youngsters who have reached

adult food, in a way that might not

0:56:410:56:44

have happened previously through

medical science. Which we celebrate,

0:56:440:56:48

of course, and when we have to look

at the people, it can be 24-hour

0:56:480:56:52

care or just a little bit of a

helping hand, meals on wheels type

0:56:520:56:56

things, but it is helping people

make the most of their lives,

0:56:560:57:00

ideally staying in their homes for

longer, because that is much better

0:57:000:57:04

value than having to go into

full-time care homes. That is what

0:57:040:57:07

social care...

How frustrated you

that this government is not gripping

0:57:070:57:12

it?

We hope that in June they will

grip the matter, in the sense of

0:57:120:57:20

recognising that councils, with the

local care system that we have, with

0:57:200:57:24

the increases in demand, it is up

15% over the last few years, that is

0:57:240:57:31

what the National Audit Office

report says, growing much faster,

0:57:310:57:35

and it suits the government, and

successive governments, to make sure

0:57:350:57:39

that huge demand is on local

taxpayers, rather than central

0:57:390:57:43

taxation. We have got to the point

WEC council tax alone cannot keep

0:57:430:57:47

the lights on

0:57:470:57:53

the lights on in social care

would

you say funding levels are at

0:57:530:57:57

dangerous levels?

I think they have

passed a critical level, they are

0:57:570:57:59

really at the end, and that is where

we are seeing care provision

0:57:590:58:04

closing, and that is why you have

got more people blocking hospital

0:58:040:58:08

beds. So I think we are past that

crisis point, and a solution has to

0:58:080:58:14

be found, and it needs to be

sustainable, it can't just be that

0:58:140:58:19

we will put sticking plasters around

again and again.

Thank you both very

0:58:190:58:22

much. The latest news and sport on

the way, but first the weather.

0:58:220:58:33

We have had some snow this morning,

lovely pictures, lovely to look at

0:58:330:58:37

if you don't have to travel in it,

but some of the snow has been

0:58:370:58:41

heavily across Wales, the Midlands

and northern England. Through the

0:58:410:58:45

next couple of hours, continuing to

drift steadily eastwards. If you

0:58:450:58:48

haven't got snow, you probably have

rain from the same system. When it

0:58:480:58:53

clears, it will brighten up behind

it, and for many parts of the UK,

0:58:530:58:57

dry with lengthy spells of sunshine.

Some cloud around, producing showers

0:58:570:59:01

in the West. On the hills, it could

prove to be wintry. Temperature

0:59:010:59:06

range roughly 5-10 towards the

south. This evening and overnight, a

0:59:060:59:13

lot of clear skies means that the

temperature will drop quite quickly,

0:59:130:59:16

a widespread frost, and the risk of

ice one untreated surfaces. Wintry

0:59:160:59:21

showers across Scotland, and we

could also see freezing fog across

0:59:210:59:26

parts of Wales and northern England.

Temperatures in towns and cities

0:59:260:59:31

there, lower than this in rural

areas. By the end of the night, more

0:59:310:59:36

cloud building in from the

south-west, this is an area of low

0:59:360:59:39

pressure which is coming our way,

cloudy spilling across southern

0:59:390:59:44

parts of England and Wales, later

rain will come in, the wind will

0:59:440:59:47

strengthen. But move away from the

south, and other beautiful day, a

0:59:470:59:52

lot of dry weather and sunshine

around, wintry showers more

0:59:520:59:56

especially on the hills of Scotland,

temperatures roughly 8-10, maybe 11.

0:59:561:00:01

With this area of low pressure, we

will be pulling in some milder air,

1:00:011:00:07

and with the cloud and rain, that

will migrate northwards as we go

1:00:071:00:10

through the course of the weekend,

so we will notice a lift in

1:00:101:00:15

temperatures. Having said that, the

weather is not going to be pretty.

1:00:151:00:19

You can see that here in graphical

form, on Saturday, as low pressure

1:00:191:00:24

moves north, it brings this cloud

and rain, snow on the leading edge

1:00:241:00:28

in Scotland, more especially with

height. But look at the

1:00:281:00:32

temperatures, maybe even 14 degrees.

In the north of Scotland, 6-7. Then

1:00:321:00:41

by the time we get to Sunday, the

low pressure will have pulled this

1:00:411:00:45

weather front into the far north of

Scotland, clearing the mainland,

1:00:451:00:49

reducing rain and snow across the

Northern Isles. Behind it, there

1:00:491:00:53

will be a lot of cloud. Now, there

will be some breaks McLeod, some of

1:00:531:00:57

us will see brighter conditions, but

a rash of showers coming in across

1:00:571:01:01

the south-west and Wales, some

getting in across southern counties

1:01:011:01:05

too. Some of those could prove to be

heavy. Temperatures up to 14 in the

1:01:051:01:11

London area, 11 in Cardiff, looking

at nine or ten across parts of

1:01:111:01:17

Scotland in the back and 11 in

Northern Ireland, we haven't seen

1:01:171:01:20

that for a while.

1:01:201:01:24

Hello, it's Thursday, it's 10am,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

1:01:241:01:30

Counterterrorism officers

are working to uncover the origin

1:01:301:01:32

of the nerve agent used

in the attempted murder

1:01:321:01:34

of ex-Russian spy Sergei Skripal

and his daughter, Yulia.

1:01:341:01:36

We'll be speaking to the person

who is considered Vladimir Putin's

1:01:361:01:41

number one enemy.

1:01:411:01:45

When you have the nerve agent, it

narrows down the number who could

1:01:451:01:49

have done this crime. Not many

organisations in the world have

1:01:491:01:55

access to nerve agents. It is

something only a government can do.

1:01:551:02:00

That interview in the next few

minutes.

1:02:001:02:06

Suspected domestic abusers could be

electronically tagged or banned

1:02:061:02:08

from drinking alcohol under tough

new measures being proposed

1:02:081:02:10

to tackle the problem.

1:02:101:02:11

We will discuss that in the next

half an hour.

1:02:111:02:14

An urgent investigation

has been launched by

1:02:141:02:16

Nottingham Trent University

after video of a black student

1:02:161:02:18

being racially abused

outside her room appeared online.

1:02:181:02:20

The students suspected

of being involved have

1:02:201:02:22

been suspended.

1:02:221:02:30

Good morning. Here is the latest

news.

1:02:311:02:37

Good morning.

1:02:371:02:43

The Home Secretary Amber Rudd is due

to make a statement in the Commons

1:02:441:02:48

about the suspected murder of Sergei

and Yulia Skripal. It is not known

1:02:481:02:52

who could have carried out the

attack or word that substance was

1:02:521:02:57

made. Sergei and Yulia Skripal

remaining in a quotable condition in

1:02:571:03:00

hospital and a policeman who went to

help them is also seriously --

1:03:001:03:08

remain in a critical condition in

hospital.

This is a serious incident

1:03:081:03:12

which is why we have got the police

there in full force and we are

1:03:121:03:15

giving all the support we can, the

medical support necessary, to the

1:03:151:03:20

people affected. I am very concerned

about the policeman. I would observe

1:03:201:03:25

our chief medical us was that Sally

Davies has said the rest of the

1:03:251:03:28

public is low so I would urge the

public to take comfort from that --

1:03:281:03:32

Chief Medical Officer. We have been

ready for a while for a number of

1:03:321:03:36

different types of terrorist

activity and we're making sure we

1:03:361:03:39

give the public support and contain

the dissident the incident and have

1:03:391:03:43

the evidence so that when we come to

it, we will know what to do.

1:03:431:03:53

Suspected domestic abusers

could be electronically tagged,

1:03:531:03:54

as part of new government proposals.

1:03:541:03:56

A consultation has been launched

on a set of measures

1:03:561:03:58

for England and Wales,

which also include the first legal

1:03:581:04:01

definition of economic

abuse and a commissioner

1:04:011:04:02

to oversee the issue.

1:04:021:04:03

The Government is also

suggesting tougher sentences

1:04:031:04:05

for cases involving children,

and possible court orders

1:04:051:04:07

which could include

tagging or alcohol bans.

1:04:071:04:10

Nottingham Trent University

say they have suspended students

1:04:101:04:13

accused of racist chanting

at a young black female student.

1:04:131:04:20

Rufaro Chisango was alone

in her room on Monday night

1:04:241:04:28

when she heard the drunken students

shouting and put a video of

1:04:281:04:32

the abuse up on Twitter yesterday.

1:04:321:04:38

Two teenagers have died

and two children are among

1:04:381:04:41

the injured after a three-car crash

in North Yorkshire.

1:04:411:04:43

The boys, believed to be aged 17,

died at the scene on the A61

1:04:431:04:46

near Thirsk, last night.

1:04:461:04:47

Five adults and two children

were taken to hospital.

1:04:471:04:49

Police have appealed for anyone who

saw what happened to get in touch.

1:04:491:04:53

The trial of a Danish man

accused of murdering a female

1:04:531:04:58

journalist aboard his

homemade submarine and then

1:04:581:05:02

cutting up her corpse has

opened in Copenhagen.

1:05:021:05:06

Inventor Peter Madsen admits

dismembering Kim Wall's body,

1:05:061:05:08

and throwing it out to sea,

but denies killing her.

1:05:081:05:10

Ms Wall was working on a story

about Madsen when she went

1:05:101:05:13

missing last August.

1:05:131:05:19

Bonuses for 84,000

staff at John Lewis

1:05:191:05:21

and Waitrose have been cut

for the fifth year in a row.

1:05:211:05:27

There was a dramatic fall in

profits. Employees will get a 5%

1:05:281:05:32

bonus, down from 6% last year.

1:05:321:05:38

The announcement comes

after it posted a 77% fall

1:05:381:05:41

in pre-tax profits to £103.9 million

for the year to the end of January.

1:05:411:05:45

That's a summary of the latest

BBC News - more at 10.30.

1:05:451:05:49

The latest sport in the moment.

1:05:491:05:53

After 10.30 - we're focusing

on International Women's Day -

1:05:531:05:58

and we'll be asking these women

what's the best thing

1:05:581:06:00

about being a woman in 2018.

1:06:001:06:04

That is after half past ten. You can

tell me what you think is being --

1:06:041:06:10

what you think is the best thing

about being a woman in 2018. Many of

1:06:101:06:16

you have been getting in touch about

the racist incident at Nottingham

1:06:161:06:21

Trent R Crean Vestey. My daughter is

at this university, I am appalled to

1:06:211:06:26

see this -- Nottingham Trent

University. This happened to my

1:06:261:06:32

daughter, my daughter had to leave

her room and take a break from her

1:06:321:06:35

course because it's caused her so

much stress and she had a breakdown.

1:06:351:06:41

Someone at the University has to

support the students. An anonymous

1:06:411:06:48

text, they should be expelled. Keep

your comments coming in.

1:06:481:06:52

Here's some sport now with Hugh.

1:06:521:06:54

England have named their team

for Le Crunch this weekend -

1:06:541:06:57

the crucial meeting with France

in rugby union's Six

1:06:571:06:59

Nations this weekend.

1:06:591:07:00

Captain Dylan Hartley will miss

the match with a calf injury -

1:07:001:07:03

he's replaced at hooker

by Jamie George.

1:07:031:07:05

Elliot Daly, scoring here,

returns on the wing,

1:07:051:07:10

while Owen Farrell will skipper

the side in Hartley's absence

1:07:101:07:12

for the match in Paris on Saturday.

1:07:121:07:19

Difficult night for Tottenham in the

Champions League last night.

1:07:191:07:32

Juventus defender Giorgio Chiellini

said they were fragile mentally.

1:07:321:07:40

Mauricio Pochettino responded to

some criticism they have had.

Lack

1:07:481:07:54

of experience, lack of

concentration, with how many chances

1:07:541:07:56

we conceded... On the first leg and

the second leg today, I think we

1:07:561:08:04

conceded three chances and they

scored twice and we played a lot of

1:08:041:08:08

chances and we only scored one. Phil

Neville has urged his players to

1:08:081:08:14

remember the pain of missing out on

winning the She Believes Cup last

1:08:141:08:18

night.

1:08:181:08:28

Needing at least a draw,

they were beaten 1-0

1:08:281:08:30

by the United States in Orlando.

1:08:301:08:38

The opportunity we get to build and

try to entertain as well, we have to

1:08:401:08:46

use our strengths to the best we can

and I feel like Phil allows us to do

1:08:461:08:54

that and he instilled belief in what

we are doing, really excited because

1:08:541:08:57

we have been together a few weeks

and we have already made quite a lot

1:08:571:09:01

of progress. A lot of exciting

things to come, I think. Snowboarder

1:09:011:09:06

Owen Pick has been selected for the

GB flag bearer for the Paralympics

1:09:061:09:13

Winter

1:09:131:09:15

GB flag bearer for the Paralympics

Winter.

The Russian athletes have

1:09:151:09:20

not been fully reinstated as an

Olympic and Paralympic nation just

1:09:201:09:23

yet, but the athletes he believes

are clean...

We have been working

1:09:231:09:31

through independent task force with

the Russian Paralympic committee,

1:09:311:09:36

and we have criteria agreed for

their reinstatement, they have not

1:09:361:09:41

met it yet, but the progress they

have made, and when we took the

1:09:411:09:46

decision in January, 18 months after

Rio de Janeiro, the situation has

1:09:461:09:50

changed, we are now in a situation

where we can say with some degree of

1:09:501:09:54

confidence that athletes competing

here are as clean as any other

1:09:541:09:57

athletes.

That is all the sport for

now. More later on.

1:09:571:10:03

It's now known that a nerve agent

was used in the suspected poisoning

1:10:031:10:06

of a former Russian double agent

and his daughter.

1:10:061:10:08

Sergei and Yulia Skripal were found

unconscious in Salisbury on Sunday

1:10:081:10:11

afternoon and remain critically ill.

1:10:111:10:15

The Russian Government has said

the incident is being used

1:10:151:10:19

as provocation as part

of an anti-Russian smear campaign.

1:10:191:10:24

A British police officer is also

being treated in hospital.

1:10:241:10:27

This morning, I spoke

with Bill Browder -

1:10:271:10:30

who was once described

as Vladimir Putin's number one enemy

1:10:301:10:33

and deported from Russia

for exposing corruption there .

1:10:331:10:41

And Sir Tony Brenton,

the UK's former ambassador

1:10:411:10:43

to Moscow from 2004 to 2008.

1:10:431:10:45

I asked first of all how they

reacted to the news and nerve agent

1:10:451:10:49

had been used to poison Sergei

Skripal and his daughter.

The fact

1:10:491:10:54

they have used effectively a

chemical weapon is highly

1:10:541:10:57

significant. Everyone was saying,

slowdown, do not blame anyone, do

1:10:571:11:02

not blame the Russians, when you

have a chemical weapon, a nerve

1:11:021:11:07

agent, that totally narrows the

possibility of who could have done

1:11:071:11:10

this crime, there are not that many

organisations in the world that have

1:11:101:11:15

access to nerve agents. Generally a

government type of... It is

1:11:151:11:21

something only a government can do.

Because you cannot knock up a nerve

1:11:211:11:25

agent in your garden shed, it has to

be a proper lab, potentially

1:11:251:11:30

state-sponsored?

Just like the

polonium 210 back in the day with

1:11:301:11:35

Litvinenko, sarin or some similar

type of thing, it is something only

1:11:351:11:41

a high level and malicious

government could use because it is

1:11:411:11:44

not even something... We are trying

to eliminate chemical weapons in the

1:11:441:11:49

world and we know that North Korea

uses them, Assad uses them and

1:11:491:11:53

Russia has access to them.

We do not

know it is sarin yet, we just know,

1:11:531:11:59

we have confirmation it is some kind

of nerve agent. Tony Brenton, how do

1:11:591:12:04

you react to the fact the nerve

agent has been used?

I agree with

1:12:041:12:09

Bill, it immensely increases the

probability it was the Russian

1:12:091:12:12

government that did it.

Nevertheless, the British

1:12:121:12:15

authorities will be looking for more

substantive proof of a link between

1:12:151:12:18

the use of the agent and the

Russians in particular. It is worth

1:12:181:12:21

noting it is not only government to

use this, sarin was used on the

1:12:211:12:25

Tokyo Metro a few years ago.

Nevertheless, the high property as

1:12:251:12:30

it is the

1:12:301:12:35

Russians and the probability.

We

need evidence.

We need evidence to

1:12:411:12:43

go to court but if we want to

determine what to do for public

1:12:431:12:46

safety, we need to make some

assumptions. We should not wait five

1:12:461:12:49

years to come to a conclusion. If

Putin and Russia have been using

1:12:491:12:51

chemical weapons in this country,

and we believe there is a high

1:12:511:12:54

probably do we have done so, that

necessitates an urgent policy

1:12:541:12:58

response, you cannot just say, let

us wait until it is proven. If there

1:12:581:13:05

is a 75% probability, 80%

probability, it may not hold up in

1:13:051:13:09

court, but in terms of policy

response, how you deal with this,

1:13:091:13:12

approach Russia, deal with public

safety, we should be thinking about

1:13:121:13:16

that right this second.

What is an

urgent policy response in your view?

1:13:161:13:21

There are many Russian sleeper

agents that we are aware of in this

1:13:211:13:25

country...

Explain to us what a

sleeper agent is.

Russia has people

1:13:251:13:32

that work in the embassy and they

have people who go about their

1:13:321:13:37

regular day-to-day lives here

pretending they are just bankers,

1:13:371:13:42

accountants, journalists, whatever.

This is an act of terrorism.

And in

1:13:421:13:45

fact, they are what, spies?

They are

spies. Remember Anna Chapman here in

1:13:451:13:50

London before she went to New York,

the famous female spy, she was

1:13:501:13:55

working at Barclays Bank, so at this

point, this is a major terrorist

1:13:551:14:03

incident and we should be using our

prevention of terror tools to figure

1:14:031:14:10

out exactly what the Russians are up

to because this is not a low-level

1:14:101:14:14

matter. People are potentially going

to die from this.

Would you agree

1:14:141:14:19

with that assessment, said Tony

Brenton?

I agree with Bill it is the

1:14:191:14:24

terrorist incident. I dealt with the

Litvinenko affair in 2006 and there

1:14:241:14:29

are lots of parallels. There were

public safety issues because the

1:14:291:14:34

Russians used polonium that time, a

radioactive poison. We took the

1:14:341:14:38

decision that the likelihood of an

early repetition was low so the

1:14:381:14:42

threat to public safety was low. And

we took the view too that in order

1:14:421:14:48

to act effectively, to minimise the

possibility of a recurrence, we

1:14:481:14:53

needed clear evidence as possible to

get that it was the Russians and

1:14:531:14:57

then we set out the policies in

response. I am sure the authorities

1:14:571:15:01

will take exactly the same approach

this time. You look at the evidence,

1:15:011:15:04

assemble what you hope is a clear

case that it is the Russians, and if

1:15:041:15:08

it is, it is not yet proven, but

highly probable, and then you have a

1:15:081:15:13

firm basis for your own national

response but also seeking wider

1:15:131:15:17

international support for what you

do.

Go on.

Can I react to that? Tony

1:15:171:15:24

and I have known each other for a

long time and...

You disagree?

I

1:15:241:15:29

totally disagree. The Litvinenko is

an exact case study in how not to

1:15:291:15:35

manage this. He'll have a situation

where we have proven, a High Court

1:15:351:15:41

judge, the FSB, the Russian secret

police, it was behind a nuclear

1:15:411:15:45

attack in the centre of London...

It

took a number of years for that.

We

1:15:451:15:50

took no action in this country. As a

result, it laid out the welcome mat

1:15:501:15:55

to do more hits in this country. It

is not just this one we are talking

1:15:551:15:59

about, there was a man who died

jogging outside his home in Surrey

1:15:591:16:05

after exposing the Russian

government in major financial

1:16:051:16:08

crimes. Same thing. No consequence.

If you create a situation, all this

1:16:081:16:16

gentlemanly behaviour, let us wait

and see and maybe do something,

1:16:161:16:19

maybe not... It does not work.

Could

I respond to that? I do not want to

1:16:191:16:26

get into an argument with Bill, on

television, for whom I have the

1:16:261:16:30

highest esteem, but the statement we

had no response to the Litvinenko

1:16:301:16:33

affair is wrong. We put together a

package of sanctions designed to

1:16:331:16:37

discourage the Russians from doing

this kind of thing.

It did not work,

1:16:371:16:40

it would seem.

1:16:401:16:46

The only plausible case since

Litvinenko whether the oceans may

1:16:461:16:49

have acted is now, but Sergei

Skripal, we are still testing that,

1:16:491:16:54

and that has been 12 years since

Litvinenko, the background political

1:16:541:16:59

situation has changed completely.

Cases like Perepilichny and others,

1:16:591:17:02

of course, have been around. It is

worth emphasising that those cases

1:17:021:17:06

have been properly investigated by

police, and they have concluded

1:17:061:17:09

there is not enough evidence of a

link for us to make it.

Earlier this

1:17:091:17:15

week, you told MPs that the Kremlin

most likely wants you dead, you were

1:17:151:17:18

asked how you were still here, what

is the answer?

The Kremlin doesn't

1:17:181:17:23

like to get caught killing people,

so Tony's logic is exactly what they

1:17:231:17:29

are feeding into, which is, unless

it can be proven, they can get away

1:17:291:17:35

with it. So far they have not

figured out a way to kill me without

1:17:351:17:38

getting caught, and I'm sure...

Sorry to interrupt, not that I know

1:17:381:17:43

much about this, but they could

simply spray a nerve agent in your

1:17:431:17:47

face.

This is why this is so

terrifying. At the moment, nobody

1:17:471:17:51

has tried to shoot at me or blow me

up, but this nerve agent stuff, the

1:17:511:17:55

fact that they can do it in a

foreign country and get away with it

1:17:551:17:59

is terrifying, for me and every

other person that is at odds with

1:17:591:18:04

the Russian government.

How do you

protect yourself? At any moment, in

1:18:041:18:08

a bar or restaurant, your food or

drink could be spiked, you could be

1:18:081:18:13

walking to the station, somebody

drops something on your skin.

That

1:18:131:18:16

the whole purpose of what they have

done here, it is called terrorism,

1:18:161:18:21

to try to create terror in everyone

of their enemies, and people say,

1:18:211:18:25

why do they do this to this man? The

answer is he was probably a tiny

1:18:251:18:31

part of why they did it, they did it

to say to everybody else, here is

1:18:311:18:34

what we are capable of.

How worried

are you for your safety?

I don't

1:18:341:18:39

spend my life living in fear,

because that would mean they

1:18:391:18:43

succeed, but I take precautions to

make sure they don't kill me.

Wow.

1:18:431:18:47

You said that so matter of factly.

I

have been living with it for eight

1:18:471:18:53

and our peers.

You may not want to

tell me... I am not asking about

1:18:531:18:59

physical measures, but

psychologically what impact has it

1:18:591:19:02

had on you?

I am a perfectly happy

person, working on a mission to get

1:19:021:19:07

justice for Sergei Magnitsky, my

lawyer, who was killed in Russia,

1:19:071:19:12

and we are succeeding in getting

sanctions and laws named after him,

1:19:121:19:16

all over the world, including here

in the UK. And I am on a righteous

1:19:161:19:21

mission to do that. That is very

satisfying.

And the practical effect

1:19:211:19:26

of sanctions, does it have an effect

on President Putin?

He is a very

1:19:261:19:31

rich man. He is very rich from

crimes in which he has stolen money

1:19:311:19:35

from his own country, and he values

money more than human like, so if

1:19:351:19:40

you go after his money, that is

something he takes seriously.

1:19:401:19:47

Still to come - today

is International Women's Day.

1:19:471:19:53

We want to ask this group of women

and girls what is the best thing

1:19:531:19:57

about being a woman in Britain in

2018, and the follow-up, what is the

1:19:571:20:00

worst? We will bring you the latest

news and sport and about ten

1:20:001:20:08

minutes' time. But before that,

we're talking about domestic abuse.

1:20:081:20:11

82 women and 13 men were killed

by their partner or former partner

1:20:111:20:14

in 2016-17 in England and Wales,

according to Theresa May.

1:20:141:20:16

Today the Government is launching

1:20:161:20:18

what it calls a "once

in a generation opportunity"

1:20:181:20:20

to protect victims

of domestic abuse.

1:20:201:20:23

Our correspondent

Lucinda Adams is here.

1:20:231:20:29

OK, let's talk through the

proposals, what is being suggested?

1:20:291:20:33

Well, ministers want to add to

powers to act faster, so if they

1:20:331:20:38

suspect abuse, at quite an early

stage, they can ask the abuser to

1:20:381:20:42

wear an electronic tag or ban them

from drinking alcohol or taking

1:20:421:20:45

drugs. They can also make them seek

treatment for addiction to those

1:20:451:20:50

substances or go to behaviour

classes to try to change their

1:20:501:20:53

attitudes. If they breach these

orders, they will be arrested.

OK.

1:20:531:20:58

And there is going to be a

definition of domestic abuse which

1:20:581:21:01

will include, for the first time,

economic abuse, what does that mean?

1:21:011:21:06

We know that abuse takes many forms,

physical and sexual, more recently

1:21:061:21:15

we have become aware of

psychological and emotional abuse,

1:21:151:21:17

what we call coercive control, but

for the first time economic abuse

1:21:171:21:20

will be recognised, controlling

someone's finances, restricting

1:21:201:21:23

access to their money, preventing

them from getting a job, causing

1:21:231:21:27

them to lose it, or even running up

debts in their name. Ultimately, it

1:21:271:21:32

means the person can't support

themselves and becomes more

1:21:321:21:34

dependent on their partner.

And for

domestic abuse cases involving

1:21:341:21:40

children, there will be more

stringent sentences for the

1:21:401:21:43

perpetrator.

That is right.

Unfortunately, one in five children

1:21:431:21:47

are exposed to domestic abuse, and

they want to make sure that when

1:21:471:21:52

sentences are being handed out, it

is seen as an aggravating factor, so

1:21:521:21:56

the sentences are tougher. That is

because it is thought that children

1:21:561:22:00

exposed to domestic express for more

likely to experience abuse by a

1:22:001:22:04

partner as an adult, Anderson today

and £80 million fund is being

1:22:041:22:08

announced to support children who

have been exposed to domestic abuse.

1:22:081:22:13

-- and so today and £80 million fund

is being announced.

1:22:131:22:19

Let's get reaction

now from Katie Ghose.

1:22:191:22:21

She's chief executive

of Women's Aid,

1:22:211:22:23

which supports victims of abuse.

1:22:231:22:24

And Mark Brooks, from the charity

ManKind Initiative, which helps men

1:22:241:22:27

escape violent relationships.

1:22:271:22:30

OK, where'd you want to start with

these proposals? Let's start with

1:22:301:22:34

the new domestic abuse protection

orders, enabling courts to impose a

1:22:341:22:39

range of restrictions, as Lucinda

said, banning them from contacting

1:22:391:22:44

victims, from drinking, wearing a

tag potentially, don't we already

1:22:441:22:47

have that in injunctions?

There are

some orders in place already, but we

1:22:471:22:51

welcome the gaze going from the

victims to the perpetrators, we

1:22:511:22:59

welcome the direction the Government

is going, but whilst the police and

1:22:591:23:03

courts are essential, many women

won't be able to go to them, so it

1:23:031:23:07

is important that it is everyone's

business, get all the agencies

1:23:071:23:11

involved in protecting and

preventing this awful crime.

And how

1:23:111:23:15

do you react? Above very similarly,

and what is important is that this

1:23:151:23:20

really makes a change in opportunity

to see domestic abuse not only is

1:23:201:23:25

everyone's business

but as an issue

that affects women and men, and also

1:23:251:23:29

children as well. So I think this

will be game changing in the way

1:23:291:23:34

that society actually views domestic

abuse.

I am interested that you say

1:23:341:23:38

because this idea of the suspect,

the perpetrator, being banned from

1:23:381:23:45

contacting victims. Injunctions are

supposed to do that. I have

1:23:451:23:48

interviewed so many women over the

years to say, well, my violent ex

1:23:481:23:53

breached the injection, the police

didn't do anything, because they are

1:23:531:23:56

really busy and resources are

stretched, they won't spend time

1:23:561:24:00

chasing him up for breaching the

injection, so the women feel

1:24:001:24:04

vulnerable again.

This is why we are

pleased to see the Government

1:24:041:24:08

consulting on criminalising breach.

We hear this time and again,

1:24:081:24:17

We hear this time and again, and

there have been awful situations,

1:24:171:24:18

relationship abuse happens after

relationships are over as well, that

1:24:181:24:20

can be very dangerous, so

criminalisation of breaching the

1:24:201:24:21

order, that is another tool in the

box for police.

OK. The definition

1:24:211:24:28

for domestic abuse now including

economic abuse, which... We do have

1:24:281:24:34

existing measures which recognise

financial abuse, but this will

1:24:341:24:36

reportedly include depriving some of

your food, clothing, transport - you

1:24:361:24:42

welcome that?

Absolutely, that is an

issue mark that has been overlooked

1:24:421:24:46

for too long now, often society and

police and others view domestic

1:24:461:24:55

abuse has been just about violence,

but it is more than that,

1:24:551:25:00

psychological, and economic is

really important, and that is

1:25:001:25:03

included, because when that is now

included, it means that we will have

1:25:031:25:08

a broader view of domestic abuse,

and we recognise that it is not just

1:25:081:25:13

about the violence.

Katie, just

explain, because some people don't

1:25:131:25:17

understand, how does this really

happen, that one person could stop

1:25:171:25:21

their partner from getting access to

their bank account or being able to

1:25:211:25:27

take the car out? They don't believe

that is a reality.

Power and control

1:25:271:25:32

is at the heart of domestic abuse,

and that is why we are really

1:25:321:25:35

pleased to see the spotlight on

economic and financial abuse. It can

1:25:351:25:41

take all forms, from taking charge

of somebody's wages right through to

1:25:411:25:45

committing benefit fraud in their

name, so it is important that we

1:25:451:25:48

understand that. I know from talking

to survivors, sometimes the

1:25:481:25:52

financial control is an early

warning sign that other abuse and

1:25:521:25:58

control will follow, physical and

sexual will come later on, and that

1:25:581:26:03

is horrific too.

And this proposal,

they are all proposals to be

1:26:031:26:07

consulted on over the next few

months, that if children are

1:26:071:26:11

involved, the sentence could

potentially be more stringent.

I

1:26:111:26:14

think that is very welcome. I mean,

for far too long, actually, the

1:26:141:26:21

effect on children has been

overlooked, the focus has been on

1:26:211:26:25

the adults, whether as perpetrators

or victims, but the effect on

1:26:251:26:29

children has to be taken into

account, so stronger and tougher

1:26:291:26:33

sentences in these cases really will

be welcomed, they send a strong

1:26:331:26:39

message, and again change society's

view of who the victims are of

1:26:391:26:43

domestic abuse.

Would they act as

more of a deterrent, more stringent

1:26:431:26:47

sentences if children are involved?

It is possible, it sends out a

1:26:471:26:52

signal that children are often not

seen or heard. It is amazing, I

1:26:521:26:55

spend a lot of time visiting

refuges, and over half of the

1:26:551:26:59

residents are children, and yet the

resources are not always there for

1:26:591:27:03

them to get the help they need,

which is why we need more action

1:27:031:27:12

which is why we need more action on

this as well.

I wanted to ask about

1:27:121:27:14

refugees, because while the

Government is launching these

1:27:141:27:16

proposals, people who run refugees?

Refuges are criticising the

1:27:161:27:21

Government for removing the ability

for housing benefit to be used to

1:27:211:27:24

pay for a place, so those who run

them say they depend 50% for fans on

1:27:241:27:31

housing benefit, refuges will have

to close. What you think of the

1:27:311:27:34

Government doing that on one hand

but then that on the other?

These

1:27:341:27:39

are risky proposals, dangerous

proposals, but we are pleased that

1:27:391:27:41

the Government has said they are

listening, they want there to be a

1:27:411:27:45

sustainable solution for the future

of refuges and other domestic abuse

1:27:451:27:49

services as well. We need them to

take the next step and give a

1:27:491:27:53

cast-iron guarantee that the risky

proposals that would take a local

1:27:531:27:56

approach to what has to be a

national network of services will

1:27:561:27:59

come off the table and we can work

together to find a sustainable

1:27:591:28:03

solution.

The statement I have does

not suggest it will come off the

1:28:031:28:08

table, it says, yes, we are looking

for a sustainable funding model

1:28:081:28:11

without a postcode lottery, we have

provided 20 million for

1:28:111:28:17

accommodation based services.

Demand

already outstrips supply, 94 women

1:28:171:28:20

and 90 children were turned away one

day last year in England alone, so

1:28:201:28:25

we want to work with the Government

to find a solution that means that

1:28:251:28:28

every survivor gets the help they

need.

This anonymous e-mail, one

1:28:281:28:34

topic I have not seen raises that

some people do not want to prosecute

1:28:341:28:39

their violent or controlling

partners because their children

1:28:391:28:42

would be financially penalised. My

ex-husband had a very good career,

1:28:421:28:46

and whilst I gave my nap to have my

children, if I had publicly

1:28:461:28:50

criminalised him, when we left him,

he would have lost his job and our

1:28:501:28:53

children would not have had much to

live on. I mean, what can you do

1:28:531:28:59

about that? What is the advice

there?

This just shows the

1:28:591:29:03

complexities and the levels of

control and abuse that happen in a

1:29:031:29:06

relationship and outside the

relationship as well. Many women

1:29:061:29:10

have a well founded fear that their

children will be taken away from

1:29:101:29:13

them, that they will be blamed for

the crime, instead of the

1:29:131:29:17

perpetrator, and that is why we

welcome the Government putting the

1:29:171:29:20

days of the perpetrator, instead of

the victim being told to take care

1:29:201:29:23

of herself and her safety.

Thank you

both very much.

1:29:231:29:29

The NHS in England has

released its latest figures

1:29:291:29:32

showing how well the country's A&E

departments and hospitals

1:29:321:29:34

are coping with winter pressures.

1:29:341:29:37

Our health editor,

Hugh Pym, is here.

1:29:371:29:43

Where are you? Oh, you are there!

Shall I come over? Shall I stay

1:29:441:29:48

here!

I can talk from here I can

fill us in!

1:29:481:29:56

The latest figures from the NHS in

England for February and January, a

1:29:561:30:02

difficult winter with pressures on

hospitals and GPs and patiently mat

1:30:021:30:04

waiting longer, in England, the

number of patients being treated and

1:30:041:30:10

assessed in the target, for hours,

in A&E units, February fell a bit

1:30:101:30:17

even from January. Wilson know how

many routine operations and

1:30:171:30:27

procedures was postponed -- we also

know. There was any doubt, but

1:30:271:30:31

everything not urgent on hold

because of a shortage of beds,

1:30:311:30:34

because of the real pressures for

emergency care. NHS are saying

1:30:341:30:42

23,000 fewer routine operations were

carried out in England in January

1:30:421:30:45

than the previous January which was

itself very pressurised.

What about

1:30:451:30:50

A&E, why are the wait so long?

It is

a continuation of pressures we saw

1:30:501:30:56

in January, flu was a lot worse this

year, more cases admitted to

1:30:561:31:02

hospital as a result of influenza,

more people going to GPs. NHS

1:31:021:31:07

England said that continued in

February. More cases of Nora virus,

1:31:071:31:11

cold weather at the end of February,

but the general picture, as we have

1:31:111:31:16

said so many times, the extreme

pressure on the NHS, issues with

1:31:161:31:19

social care, people being stuck in

hospital when they are ready to

1:31:191:31:23

leave, fewer beds for people coming

in, all of the bigger picture

1:31:231:31:28

pressure on the health service.

Thank you very much.

1:31:281:31:33

Still to come...

1:31:331:31:36

What is the best thing about being a

woman or a girl in 2018? That is one

1:31:361:31:44

of the questions we asking as it is

International Women's Day.

1:31:441:31:54

Amazon are working to fix Alexa

after users reported that random

1:31:541:31:56

bursts of creepy laughter have been

coming from the device.

1:31:561:31:59

We will talk about that in the next

half an hour. The headlines now on

1:31:591:32:05

BBC News.

1:32:051:32:07

The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd,

is due to make a statement this

1:32:071:32:10

lunchtime in the House of Commons

about the nerve agent used

1:32:101:32:13

in the attempted murder of a former

Russian spy and his daughter.

1:32:131:32:15

While police have now identified

the type of chemical,

1:32:151:32:18

it's not yet known where it was made

or who could have

1:32:181:32:21

carried out the attack.

1:32:211:32:22

Sergei and Yulia Skripal remain

in a critical condition in hospital.

1:32:221:32:24

A policeman who went to help them

was also seriously injured.

1:32:241:32:28

Nottingham Trent University

says it has suspended

1:32:281:32:30

students accused of racist chanting

apparently aimed at a young

1:32:301:32:32

black female student.

1:32:321:32:38

We hate blacks.

1:32:381:32:43

Rufaro Chisango was alone

1:32:431:32:44

in her room on Monday night

when she heard the drunken

1:32:441:32:47

students shouting and put

a video of the abuse up

1:32:471:32:49

on Twitter yesterday.

1:32:491:32:50

Suspected domestic abusers could be

electronically tagged,

1:32:501:32:52

as part of new government proposals.

1:32:521:32:56

A consultation has been launched

on a set of measures

1:32:561:32:59

for England and Wales,

which also include the first legal

1:32:591:33:01

definition of economic

abuse and a commissioner

1:33:011:33:03

to oversee the issue.

1:33:031:33:06

The Government is also

suggesting tougher sentences

1:33:061:33:08

for cases involving children,

and possible court orders

1:33:081:33:10

which could include

tagging or alcohol bans.

1:33:101:33:13

Two teenagers have died

and two children are among

1:33:131:33:16

the injured after a three-car crash

in North Yorkshire.

1:33:161:33:20

The boys, believed to be aged 17,

died at the scene on the A61

1:33:201:33:23

near Thirsk, last night.

1:33:231:33:24

Five adults and two children

were taken to hospital.

1:33:241:33:27

Police have appealed for anyone who

saw what happened to get in touch.

1:33:271:33:32

The trial of a Danish man accused

of murdering a female

1:33:321:33:36

journalist aboard his homemade

submarine, and then

1:33:361:33:38

cutting up her corpse,

has opened in Copenhagen.

1:33:381:33:42

Inventor Peter Madsen admits

dismembering Kim Wall's body,

1:33:421:33:44

and throwing it out to sea,

but denies killing her.

1:33:441:33:49

She was working on a story

about Madsen when she went

1:33:491:33:51

missing last August.

1:33:511:33:52

That's a summary

of the latest BBC News.

1:33:521:33:56

Here's some sport now with Hugh.

1:33:561:34:02

Eddie Jones has named his team for

the crucial meeting with France in

1:34:021:34:07

rugby Union's Six Nations this

weekend. Captain Dylan Hartley will

1:34:071:34:11

miss the match, first time under

Jones, calf injury, replaced at

1:34:111:34:16

hooker by Jamie George, Owen Farrell

will skipper the side. Tottenham

1:34:161:34:21

boss Mauricio Pochettino denied his

lack of experience was to blame for

1:34:211:34:28

their Champions League exit at the

hands of Juventus.

1:34:281:34:32

The Italian champions go

through to the quarterfinals

1:34:321:34:34

after their 2-1 win

1:34:341:34:36

at Wembley yesterday sealed

1:34:361:34:36

a 4-3 aggregate victory.

1:34:361:34:37

Paulo Dybala scored the decider.

1:34:371:34:39

Manchester City boss Pep Guardiola

said his team forgot to attack

1:34:391:34:41

as they lost 2-1 to FC basel.

1:34:411:34:43

City do make it through to

the quarters 5-2 on aggregate

1:34:431:34:46

but were beaten at home

for the first time since 2016.

1:34:461:34:48

Phil Neville has urged his players

to remember the pain of missing out

1:34:481:34:52

on winning their She Believes Cup.

They needed a draw against the US

1:34:521:34:57

but they were beaten in Orlando.

More after 11.

1:34:571:35:04

Some people are saying

their Amazon Alexa device has

1:35:041:35:06

been been letting out

an unprompted, creepy cackle.

1:35:061:35:08

Let's hear it now.

1:35:081:35:16

The laugh, described by some

as witch-like, is reported

1:35:241:35:27

to happen even without the device

being given the wake-up command.

1:35:271:35:29

Voice assistants like Alexa

are designed to respond or act only

1:35:291:35:32

when prompted with a wake word,

but this apparent glitch

1:35:321:35:34

is happening without

any prior interaction.

1:35:341:35:36

Here's what some people

on Twitter have been saying.

1:35:361:35:38

Gavin on Twitter said,

"Lying in bed about to fall asleep

1:35:381:35:40

when Alexa lets out a very loud

and creepy laugh."

1:35:401:35:43

"There's a good chance I might

get murdered tonight."

1:35:431:35:45

Kat tweeted to say, "So I just

used my Alexa to set a two-minute

1:35:451:35:48

timer while trying to do a plank,

and I asked how much time I had

1:35:481:35:52

left and she laughed."

1:35:521:35:57

@malarkeysalad on Twitter said,

"Alexa just randomly laughing

1:35:571:35:58

and there is no-one

talking in my house."

1:35:581:36:03

The tweets are ahead of me.

1:36:031:36:06

"My cat and I just looked

at each other like..."

1:36:061:36:08

And Kamo tweeted to say his Alexa

was also behaving oddly.

1:36:081:36:11

He said, "This creepy thing

happened last night."

1:36:111:36:13

"I got home and, totally unprompted,

our Amazon Alexa started talking.

1:36:131:36:16

And then I realised

it was listing off local

1:36:161:36:18

cemeteries and funeral homes."

1:36:181:36:19

"I'd rather it laughed

at me, to be honest."

1:36:191:36:21

Amazon said it was aware of the

problem and was working to fix it.

1:36:211:36:29

We have talked a lot on this

programme about the difficulties

1:36:311:36:35

people with disabilities face

getting around on public transport.

1:36:351:36:38

Improvements have been made in

recent years to accessibility at

1:36:381:36:42

London Underground stations and

there are now more than 70 which are

1:36:421:36:46

either fully accessible or offer

some form of step free access. But

1:36:461:36:50

people with mobility issues continue

to have problems using the transport

1:36:501:36:54

system. Have a look at this. I work

at the BBC and I am a wheelchair

1:36:541:37:00

user.

The Government wants disabled

people like me to have a normal

1:37:001:37:04

life, so do I. TFL has spent money

upgrading Tottenham Court Road in

1:37:041:37:12

the centre of London. It is now

fully accessible and step free, but

1:37:121:37:19

I have found it is not always the

case. This is me on my way to work.

1:37:191:37:25

I can easily get on at Stratford,

but I Tottenham Court Road, the only

1:37:251:37:33

way I can get on and off is by

asking random passengers to help me.

1:37:331:37:38

There is a 22 centimetres step

between the train and the platform

1:37:381:37:41

and the ramps I am entitled to use

have had do not use stickers on them

1:37:411:37:47

for at least the last six months.

Other parts of the station really

1:37:471:37:51

good. The end of this platform has

been raised and signposted, it

1:37:511:37:55

really easy. What I really want to

know is, wide, with so much money

1:37:551:38:03

being spent, why am I still stuck

having to ask staff or passengers

1:38:031:38:07

for persistence?

It is not a step

free station.

-- passengers for

1:38:071:38:15

assistance. Some of the ramps have

not been in use for the last year.

1:38:151:38:20

It is absolutely not a situation

that we are happy with and that is

1:38:201:38:26

why we have been working to improve

it. We are in a position where in

1:38:261:38:29

the next... We are talking weeks

now, we are in the process of

1:38:291:38:35

familiarising our staff with the use

of the ramp on the westbound

1:38:351:38:39

platform so that wheelchair users

will be able to make use of the

1:38:391:38:42

station. It has not been a great

position to be in, absolutely.

It is

1:38:421:38:47

not just Tottenham Court Road

Station, there are 270 tube stations

1:38:471:38:52

in London, 72 of those are step

free, but only 50 are fully

1:38:521:38:57

accessible from street to train.

The

London Underground network is one of

1:38:571:39:02

the oldest in the world. It is one

of the least accessible in the

1:39:021:39:09

world. That makes us angry. We want

to be able to turn up at the

1:39:091:39:15

station, get on the train, get off

the train, without assistance. That

1:39:151:39:20

has got to be the goal. That level

of independence.

When we asked the

1:39:201:39:27

staff to help us use the ramp, it is

a complicated procedure. Staff have

1:39:271:39:32

two be alerted at the gate, drivers

told to hold and the destination

1:39:321:39:37

staff have to stand by, it takes a

lot of time and effort.

We take

1:39:371:39:42

accessibility really seriously. It

is not step free.

It is a boarding

1:39:421:39:47

ramp.

At some locations, that is

where we are and that is... We are

1:39:471:39:52

constantly having to balance the

money we spend on accessibility

1:39:521:39:57

against the money we spend on

everything else. I think we have

1:39:571:40:00

demonstrated through the work we

have done so far and the work we are

1:40:001:40:03

planning to do in the future that we

take accessibility really seriously

1:40:031:40:07

and it is a property while -- and it

is a priority for us.

1:40:071:40:23

Today is International Women's Day.

1:40:241:40:25

Its goal is to achieve

gender equality for all -

1:40:251:40:28

at school, in our health service,

in our workplaces, our home life.

1:40:281:40:30

What's it like to be

a woman in Britain today?

1:40:301:40:33

We've gathered nine women

and girls from all walks

1:40:331:40:35

of life to talk about

that

1:40:351:40:38

And here they are.

1:40:381:40:44

Let me introduce you

to Yewande Akinola,

1:40:441:40:45

who has worked in construction

for 11 years.

1:40:451:40:47

Sam Spence, a health

visitor for the NHS.

1:40:471:40:49

Victoria Usher,

1:40:491:40:50

she runs a global PR agency

whose board is made up

1:40:501:40:53

of nearly all women,

1:40:531:40:56

most of them working mothers.

1:40:561:41:01

Two thirds women, is that right?

That is right.

1:41:011:41:04

Charlotte Usher is Victoria's

11 year-old-daughter.

1:41:041:41:09

Marchu Girma arrived to the UK

as a refugee and now helps

1:41:091:41:12

other female refugees.

1:41:121:41:13

Sharon Spice, an actor

and playwright who says

1:41:131:41:15

she was once paid

1:41:151:41:16

less than a white woman to do

the same job.

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Michelle Russell says

she appreciates women more

1:41:191:41:21

than ever after she was recently

involved in a sexual

1:41:211:41:23

harassment case at work.

1:41:231:41:24

She's here with her

15-year-old daughter, Esme.

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And Hayley Smith, who says

International Women's day

1:41:281:41:29

inspired her to set up a campaign

to make sanitary products free

1:41:291:41:32

for homeless women.

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What's the best thing

about being a woman

1:41:351:41:37

in Britain in 2018?

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I do not mind who goes first.

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I really liked the fact there is a

conversation happening right now.

It

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feels like a really beautiful

liberation, we are able to speak

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about the things we could never

speak about.

Is that definitely for

1:41:561:42:00

you the best thing about being a

woman in Britain right now?

I think

1:42:001:42:04

it is because there are many

platforms for me to express my

1:42:041:42:08

creativity, for me to hear of the

amazing things other women are doing

1:42:081:42:12

and this is extremely empowering. I

just think, gosh, this could go...

1:42:121:42:18

It could really inspire future

generations, the beginning of

1:42:181:42:22

something fantastic.

I am definitely

completely in agreement with you. My

1:42:221:42:31

campaign, when I set it up two years

ago, periods were not mainstream,

1:42:311:42:36

people were only talking about them

as a joke, and the transition,

1:42:361:42:43

however people are, men and women,

the media, talking seriously about

1:42:431:42:48

periods, it has grown so quickly and

it is an incredible platform.

1:42:481:42:53

Conversations are opening up, you

say, in this country that perhaps we

1:42:531:42:57

have not felt were possible before?

What would you say?

Women are

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finding their voice, learning how to

use it. Within nursing, the big pay

1:43:021:43:10

campaign, female dominated

profession, they are campaigning for

1:43:101:43:13

equality so the tide is turning,

still a long way to go, it feels

1:43:131:43:17

like the shift is going in that

direction, a spotlight on things and

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we are moving in the right

direction.

What do you say,

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Charlotte?

The best thing about

being a girl in 2018 is we are

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starting to join together and our

generation will be the next

1:43:291:43:32

generation to change almost the

world about gender equality and

1:43:321:43:36

things like that. I really think

that is really important.

Following

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on from that, it is really great we

have all these great artists and

1:43:411:43:46

females today, celebrating the fact

it is International Women's Day, we

1:43:461:43:51

have the ability of the choice to do

whatever we feel we want to do, me

1:43:511:43:56

being an artist, I have had the

opportunity to write, to tour, that

1:43:561:44:00

would not have been probably

possible a few years ago...

Of

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course it would!

More accessible

now.

Because of technological

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advancement.

It would have been more

difficult. Now women are doing loads

1:44:131:44:16

of stuff, we are engineers,

directors, behind the camera, and a

1:44:161:44:21

few years ago it would have been

very hard, few and far between.

1:44:211:44:26

Moving in the right direction, just

need a little bit more momentum but

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it is happening.

We have the

privilege to make change, we are in

1:44:301:44:37

a country that gives us some kind of

privileged to be able to make change

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and as a woman coming to this

country when I was 11 years old, I

1:44:421:44:46

think I have come a long way...

Where did you come from?

How came

1:44:461:44:51

from Ethiopia. I work with refugee

women. There is a great sense of

1:44:511:45:02

empowerment, refugee women, coming

together, talking about feminism.

1:45:021:45:08

That is something we have been

talking about. But there is a long

1:45:081:45:12

way to go. This year is a special

year, 2018 marks 100 years since

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some women got the vote, but we

still have in our society many women

1:45:171:45:21

who do not have a voice, refugee and

migrant women who do not have a

1:45:211:45:27

voice, and today, we are hoping to

change the tide, we have an event in

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Holland called All Women Can to

highlight the fact that all women

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can't -- an event in Parliament.

We

have never had as much opportunity

1:45:411:45:45

as we have had today. It is exciting

to see so many row models, in media,

1:45:451:45:56

business, women stretching their

abilities and shooting for the stars

1:45:561:45:58

and achieving great things. From a

personal point of view, as you said

1:45:581:46:04

earlier, my senior board is made up

of two thirds women and the majority

1:46:041:46:08

of that is working women and working

women have a very unique challenge.

1:46:081:46:13

Charlotte was three years old when I

set up the business and I had to

1:46:131:46:17

create a business working for me

because I could not find a job that

1:46:171:46:20

would allow me to be a good mum to

my children and also to have the

1:46:201:46:25

career I really wanted and I felt I

deserved and what is great is to be

1:46:251:46:29

able to employ women in our

organisation that what the same

1:46:291:46:33

thing and we give them that

structure. It takes a bit of effort

1:46:331:46:36

but you can get there as a business

and do that.

1:46:361:46:43

Will probably put my two things

together, the worst in the best, and

1:46:431:46:47

in the last two and a half years

I

have seen the worst of people...

1:46:471:46:54

Because of a sexual harassment case?

Yes, and realised the inequality

1:46:541:46:59

that I didn't really realise was

there, to be honest.

Hidden in plain

1:46:591:47:04

sight.

Yes. And I have learned an

awful lot. And I think the best

1:47:041:47:09

thing, for me, right now, obviously,

I have got a 15-year-old daughter,

1:47:091:47:14

and that excites me, that she has

got a whole future head of her, but

1:47:141:47:18

since I have spoken out, the support

that I have had off of other women

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has just been absolutely amazing.

And that, to me, is the thing that I

1:47:261:47:33

carry from all of this, really.

Esme, what is it like being 15 in

1:47:331:47:40

Britain in 2018 two blow it is

interesting! Obviously, social

1:47:401:47:46

media, the

internet,, it was

different to how it was just 15

1:47:461:47:50

years ago, every day there is

something new happening, and you

1:47:501:47:53

have to focus on that, but it is

also brought a lot of hope. Like, in

1:47:531:48:00

my school, most of my friends are

aiming to become surgeons and

1:48:001:48:05

lawyers and politicians, like

amazing things, and it is amazing

1:48:051:48:09

that they can, that that is

plausible, like they can do that

1:48:091:48:11

now, and even like 50 or 60 years

ago, if you were a woman, a girl,

1:48:111:48:18

especially a woman of colour said I

want to go and become a politician,

1:48:181:48:22

I want to go into Parliament, people

would have laughed at them, and now

1:48:221:48:26

it is like we can actually do that,

it Israeli exciting to be part of

1:48:261:48:30

our generation.

-- it is really

exciting. You have talked about some

1:48:301:48:36

of the opportunities with social

media and what you might want to do

1:48:361:48:39

when you grow older, what is the

worst thing about being a

1:48:391:48:43

15-year-old girl in Britain?

The

expectations that are put on, like,

1:48:431:48:48

from the societal point of view, so

to become a mother especially, like

1:48:481:48:53

people expect you...

Who? You expect

that? Nodule mum!

Just tidy her

1:48:531:49:02

bedroom!

Kind of like when I say I

don't really want to have children,

1:49:021:49:08

it is like, oh, you know...

Do you

say that? I suppose that is why you

1:49:081:49:15

hear that.

Or assembly says, I don't

want to get married, people are

1:49:151:49:21

like, why don't you? -- or if

somebody says.

Not necessarily

1:49:211:49:27

expectations, but that is the norm,

it does not necessarily mean they

1:49:271:49:31

are being pejorative or whatever.

And an expectation to be quiet as

1:49:311:49:36

well.

From who?!

Not necessarily

personally, but as a society, there

1:49:361:49:43

is quite a strong stigma against

women who, from a young age, if you

1:49:431:49:49

kind of like savings, there is a

kind of like, be quiet, don't talk

1:49:491:49:54

about it.

Closing down of what you

have said if you have an opinion,

1:49:541:49:58

does anybody else find that?

If you

say something, oh, no, you are over

1:49:581:50:06

exaggerating, it is not that bad.

What did you say? Being dramatic?

1:50:061:50:10

Yeah.

You don't think summary would

say that to a manager Max

not at

1:50:101:50:15

all.

1:50:151:50:20

all.

-- you don't think somebody

would say that to a man?

As a health

1:50:201:50:27

visitor, we have, as a society,

still have different expectations

1:50:271:50:31

between boys and girls. We are

seeing a shift with gender neutral

1:50:311:50:36

clothing and different activities,

and a lot of nurseries are going on

1:50:361:50:39

board in terms of all children being

promoted to all activities, whereas

1:50:391:50:44

previously girls were meant to play

with kitchens and dolls, boys were

1:50:441:50:47

meant to play with construction

sets. It is slowly changing, but it

1:50:471:50:51

will take a generational changes to

go through, and that is why we're

1:50:511:50:56

not seeing change, and it is

frustrating at times, because we are

1:50:561:51:00

quite powerful, emboldened women,

but lots of women do not feel that

1:51:001:51:05

way, behind the sidelines, and is

taking time for that change to come

1:51:051:51:09

through. And it probably chips away,

but when we find our voice, we need

1:51:091:51:14

to keep it, keep chipping away for

all women.

I see that all the time

1:51:141:51:19

in construction, you know, in

engineering.

Give me an example.

1:51:191:51:24

Engineering is not for girls, why

would you consider engineering? Why

1:51:241:51:28

don't you consider something else?

So not naming names, but who are the

1:51:281:51:34

people who are saying engineering is

not for girls, who is that person?

1:51:341:51:40

Unfortunately, it is everybody.

It

is not everybody, it is not, let's

1:51:401:51:44

not exaggerate. What sort of people?

The people who are saying that are

1:51:441:51:51

represented, they come from every

aspect of a child's life...

1:51:511:51:55

Teachers, parents?

Parents,

teachers, and goals and

1:51:551:52:04

teachers, and goals and -- and goals

and aunts, but I know it is a result

1:52:061:52:13

of this perception thing that we

have been trying to work through for

1:52:131:52:17

the last couple of years, it is that

association of certain career paths

1:52:171:52:23

with a male or female, and I think

it is on us as engineers, as

1:52:231:52:31

powerful women, as women of colour,

women of, you know, to be visible,

1:52:311:52:39

you know, to young people to say, I

am an engineer, I am doing it, and I

1:52:391:52:45

am enjoying it, you know?

And

getting paid for doing it! Are you

1:52:451:52:49

getting paid the same as the male

engineers?

Good question. I don't

1:52:491:52:55

know, I haven't asked.

Would you

consider asking?

Yes, I would.

1:52:551:53:03

Definitely I would, yeah.

I actually

have checked my skill with my job to

1:53:031:53:09

make sure that I am being paid

exactly the same as my work

1:53:091:53:15

counterpart...

And are you?

I am,

and it is an issue, because

1:53:151:53:20

previously I worked somewhere, and

when I left, I found out that all my

1:53:201:53:24

white colleagues got paid £1000 more

than me, so I was down by £1000, and

1:53:241:53:31

when I queried me, he told me, you

are leaving now, it doesn't matter.

1:53:311:53:36

And that was because you were a

black woman?

I was the only black

1:53:361:53:40

girl there, and I felt I had to be

grateful, I was breaking the

1:53:401:53:45

diversity barrier, but also he had

given me how opportunity.

We are

1:53:451:53:50

coming to the end, and I know I

haven't ask do the worst thing! I

1:53:501:53:57

don't want to end on a negative, but

what is the contrast? Briefly, worst

1:53:571:54:00

thing about being a woman... There

may not be anything

loads of

1:54:001:54:03

progress has been made, but there is

still masses of progress to go.

I

1:54:031:54:08

need specifics.

I don't want to grow

up not being paid the same as a man.

1:54:081:54:17

Sure, definitely.

I don't want that

to happen. I get worried about that.

1:54:171:54:22

We are going to make sure that

doesn't happen.

There are still

1:54:221:54:27

women in our community, our society,

who are voiceless, they don't have

1:54:271:54:32

the same opportunity as we have. One

thing that we are highlighting at

1:54:321:54:36

the moment is that there really is

this refugee and migrant women, when

1:54:361:54:40

they report to the police violence,

sexual violence, immediately the

1:54:401:54:45

police called immigration, you know,

to start the process of the porting

1:54:451:54:51

them.

We have got 30 seconds, you

have to be quick.

The fact that we

1:54:511:54:56

have to deal with capability, having

to prove myself.

We need parity with

1:54:561:55:03

the male dominated professions with

male dominated professions.

More

1:55:031:55:08

equality for single parents, more

involvement from partners that are

1:55:081:55:12

not there.

Every woman should be

able to go to work without being

1:55:121:55:16

sexually assaulted.

More support for

girls to go to university and higher

1:55:161:55:21

education.

There needs to be more

voices, as you said, every woman

1:55:211:55:29

needs a voice, regardless of where

they are from.

Thank you, well done,

1:55:291:55:33

thank you for coming in.

Thank you.

We brought you figure is that there

1:55:331:55:37

has been a 14% rise in women from

Northern Ireland having free

1:55:371:55:41

abortions in England since the

Government announced they would no

1:55:411:55:44

longer pay for them. Stella Creasy,

who campaigned to get the charges

1:55:441:55:49

dropped last year, gave us her

reaction, as did Emma Campbell from

1:55:491:55:52

a campaign group.

It reveals the

scale of the need to address this

1:55:521:55:58

issue. It is simply unconscionable

that in 2018 part of our nation,

1:55:581:56:04

Northern Ireland as part of the

United Kingdom, we treat women

1:56:041:56:08

differently there than here in

London or Birmingham or Manchester,

1:56:081:56:12

and what this data tells us is that,

actually, we need to go further,

1:56:121:56:16

because it is not fair to ask women

to travel, and the United Nations

1:56:161:56:22

has identified that asking women in

Northern Ireland to travel to

1:56:221:56:24

England to have an abortion is in

human and degrading.

I'm going to

1:56:241:56:29

ask you more about that in a moment,

but I won't reaction from you as

1:56:291:56:33

well, Emma Campbell, to these

figures that we have obtained.

We

1:56:331:56:38

know that the number of women

travelling to the UK for abortion

1:56:381:56:43

treatment in the last five years or

so has dropped, and we know

1:56:431:56:48

anecdotally that was due to the use

of abortion pills that people

1:56:481:56:51

obtained online and took a legally.

Although the bills are safe, we can

1:56:511:56:57

see from recent prosecutions that it

was illegal, so we understand these

1:56:571:57:02

figures to mean that people are no

longer willing to risk prosecution

1:57:021:57:06

and would rather travel to access

abortions than risk this

1:57:061:57:10

criminalisation. However, in the

week that the funding was announced,

1:57:101:57:14

we had two phone calls from

different women who were unable to

1:57:141:57:19

travel to England, one because a

violent ex partner destroyed all of

1:57:191:57:24

her identification, and another just

because she had a very, very young

1:57:241:57:27

child and there was no way for her

to travel. We understand that even

1:57:271:57:31

though women can access this

treatment in the UK, there are often

1:57:311:57:35

women left behind because they

cannot travel for one reason or

1:57:351:57:38

another.

Emma Campbell, Stella

Creasy. A statement from the

1:57:381:57:43

Government, they say the law in

Northern Ireland prevents abortion

1:57:431:57:46

except where there is a risk to the

life or long-term health of the

1:57:461:57:49

woman. An amendment to the law to

permit abortion cases of fatal

1:57:491:57:54

people abnormality and sexual crime

was debated in the Northern Ireland

1:57:541:57:58

Assembly in February 2016 and is

defeated. Following that, the

1:57:581:58:04

Government is working on proposals

for ministers to address the issue,

1:58:041:58:09

but the Northern Ireland executive

went into suspension at the end of

1:58:091:58:14

January 2017, before those proposals

were considered. Thank you very much

1:58:141:58:17

for your company today, thanks for

getting in touch with the programme.

1:58:171:58:20

Back tomorrow at nine, have a good

day.

1:58:201:58:25

Victoria talks to a man whose profile has been stolen by scammers and posted on a dating website to con women out of money.

A look at the rise in the number of women in Northern Ireland seeking free abortions.

Plus new measures have proposed that suspected domestic abusers be electronically tagged.