08/03/2018 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello, it's Thursday, it's 9am,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

Welcome to the programme.

Our top story...

The mystery substance that left

a former Russian spy critically ill

is finally identified.

It was a nerve agent

that put Sergei Skripal,

his daughter, Yulia,

and a police officer in hospital.

They are fighting for their lives.

We're talking to a man

who is considered Vladimir Putin's

number one enemy -

who says he has to take steps

to protect his own life.

I do not spend my life living in

fear but I have to take great

precautions so they do not kill me.

You say that so matter-of-factly,

wow.

I have been living with it for

years.

All you single women,

does this man look like

an eligible bachelor to you?

He's got a great online

profile, but he's not only

married, he's also gay.

And his identity has

been stolen by scammers,

who lure women in and then ask

them for money.

We'll be talking to the real

Steve Bustin in a few minutes.

And we've got exclusive figures

on a rise in the number of women

from Northern Ireland travelling

to England for an abortion

since the Government announced

they would no longer have to pay.

But campaigners say more needs to be

done to help women from the country

who want a termination.

Hello, welcome to the programme.

We're live until 11 this morning.

As we are each weekday. After 10am,

we will talk about new proposals

from the Home Secretary, amber Rudd,

which she and the Prime Minister

publishing today to tackle domestic

abuse in the future. Some of the new

areas consulted on include tagging

suspects or banning them from

drinking. And also recognising in

the definition of domestic abuse

that it can be economic abuse, as

well as physical and psychological.

If you have experienced domestic

abuse or you are a perpetrator, we

would like to hear from you. Do get

in touch. You can e-mail us, message

us on Facebook or Twitter.

Our top story today...

The Home Secretary,

Amber Rudd, is due

to make a statement this morning

in the House of Commons

about the nerve agent used

in the attempted murder of a former

Russian spy and his daughter.

While police have now identified

the type of chemical,

it's not yet known where it was made

or who could have

carried out the attack.

Tom Burridge has more.

This was Sergei Skripal

last month at a corner shop.

Now police believe someone tried

to kill the former spy

and his daughter with a nerve agent.

It happened here in the small

cathedral city of Salisbury.

A police officer who attended

to the pair now also in a serious

condition in hospital.

What nerve agent was used

is the question experts

at this military research centre

are trying to answer.

Nerve agents essentially cripple

the nervous system of the body

and are not easy to manufacture.

Nerve agents require

a non-insignificant financial,

logistical and technical back-up

to actually be manufactured.

And so that would lead

to more likelihood

of a state manufacturing it.

Life in Salisbury right now

is anything but normal,

this is the restaurant

where Mr Skripal and his daughter

had lunch hours before

they fell ill.

A blond woman and a man

could be of interest,

seen in this CCTV footage

from near the crime scene.

His daughter apparently

had dark hair, like in this photo.

They are both in a critical

condition in hospital.

Tom Burridge, BBC News.

Ahead of her statement in the

Commons, Amber Rudd, Home Secretary,

had this to say this morning in an

interview with BBC Breakfast.

This was a very serious incident

which is why we've got the police

down there in full force

conducting the investigation.

Which is why we're giving

all the support we can,

the medical support necessary,

to the people who've been affected.

Of course I'm very concerned

about the policeman.

I would observe that our

Chief Medical Officer Sally Davis

has said that the risk to the public

is low, so I would urge the public

to take comfort from that.

We have been ready for a while for

a number of different types

of terrorist activity

and we are making sure that we give

the public the support,

that we contain the incident

and that we collect the evidence

so that when we come to attribution,

we will know what to do.

Our correspondent,

Leila Nathoo, is in Salisbury.

What's the latest?

We know that counterterror police

are saying this is a rare nerve

agent used in Salisbury to

specifically target Sergei and Yulia

Skripal who were found unconscious

on the bench that remains under the

police tent behind me. This narrows

down somewhat the possibilities in

terms of who would be able to

manufacture the nerve agent. We have

not got the details yet on exactly

what the substances but police do

know. We also know that a policeman,

one of the first on the scene here,

was hospitalised. They were also

exposed to the substance. The Home

Secretary, Amber Rudd, said this

morning he was engaging in talking

but he is still believed to be in a

serious condition. As far as the

scene in Salisbury goes, you can see

the cordon at the scene, still in

place, and another cordon at a

nearby pub, the Mill, and another at

our high-street Italian restaurant,

Zizzi restaurant, closed since

Monday. The BBC has heard from the

eyewitness on Sunday afternoon at

Zizzi restaurant when police believe

Sergei and Yulia Skripal went to the

restaurant for lunch and the

eyewitness has told the BBC he was

behaving strangely at the restaurant

at around 1:30pm, shouting and he

left abruptly. The focus for police

now is trying to piece together the

timeline of what happened to Sergei

and Yulia Skripal when they came to

the city centre on Sunday afternoon.

They are appealing for anyone in the

area from 1pm on Sunday who may have

been at Zizzi restaurant or the pub,

the Mill, to come forward if they

spotted anything out of the

ordinary.

The rest of the morning's

news.

Suspected domestic abusers could be

electronically tagged,

or banned from drinking

alcohol and taking drugs,

as part of proposals to tackle

the problem in England and Wales.

The Government wants views

on a set of measures,

which includes the first legal

definition of economic

abuse and a commissioner

to oversee the issue.

Jon Donnison reports.

Euleen Hope suffered

a decade of abuse

at the hands of her ex-partner.

Emotional, but also physical.

She ended up in hospital

more than a dozen times.

She says she used to grow her fringe

long to cover the black eyes.

Some people say to me,

why did you not get out sooner?

Do you really want to look

over your shoulder,

if you leave a relationship?

They could still be after you.

He said, "I'll tell

you when it's over."

He threatened me and told me

he would organise for someone

to throw acid in my face.

In 2015, the man was eventually

jailed for grievous bodily harm

and assault after Euleen's sister

contacted the police.

Almost two million people

in England and Wales,

most of them women, suffered

domestic abuse last year.

The Government wants to make it

easier to prosecute perpetrators.

It is launching a consultation

document before it tries to get

tougher laws passed.

Among the proposals,

broadening the legal definition

of domestic abuse to include

physical, psychological, sexual,

emotional, but also economic abuse.

Tougher sentences for cases

involving children.

And new protection orders to allow

police and courts to intervene more

quickly when abuse is suspected.

The consultation period

for the proposed new laws

will last 12 weeks.

Jon Donnison, BBC News.

And we'll be getting

reaction on this story from former

victims of domestic abuse and others

later in the programme.

Two teenagers have died

and two children are among

the injured after a three-car crash

in North Yorkshire.

The boys, believed to be

17, died at the scene

of the accident on the A61

near Thirsk last night.

Five adults and two children

were taken to hospital.

Police have appealed for anyone who

saw what happened to get in touch.

The Danish man accused

of murdering a female journalist

aboard his homemade submarine,

and then cutting up her

corpse, is on trial this

morning in Copenhagen.

Inventor Peter Madsen admits

dismembering Kim Wall's body,

and throwing it out to sea,

but denies killing her.

Ms Wall was working on a story

about Madsen when she went

missing last August.

Our reporter Maddy Savage

is in court - she gave us

the background to the case.

It is a bleak's winters day in

Copenhagen, but it has not stopped

crowds of journalists from around

the world turning up to mark the

start of this high profile trial.

The background to this case, a warm

August summer night when the Swedish

freelance journalist Kim Wall who

had reported for the Guardian and

others, she went to the dockside, a

50 minute Drive from here, to go

on-board Peter Madsen's submarine.

She did not return alive after

interviewing him. Parts of her body

were found on the beach and at the

bottom of the ocean in the weeks and

months that followed. Peter Madsen

has changed his story a number of

times about what happened. Initially

said he dropped her off safely, the

then said he died when a hatch fell

on her head and he's latest story is

that she died of carbon monoxide

poisoning. He has admitted cutting

up her body but denies killing her.

The trial is expected to take 12

days, spread over seven weeks. If he

is convicted of murder, he faces a

life sentence in Denmark which would

mean 15-17 years in prison without

parole. He could also be sent to a

secure mental health hospital.

There has been a rise in women from

Northern Ireland having abortions in

England after the Government

announced they would not have to pay

for them. Abortion is illegal in

Northern Ireland except for when a

woman's life is at risk or a

permanent and serious risk to her

physical or mental health.

And Victoria will be

discussing this in more detail

just after half nine.

The UK and Saudi Arabia have agreed

plans for a future trade and

investment programme worth £65

billion. The announcement comes on

the second day of a visit to the UK

by the Saudi crown to Mohammad bin

Salman. The packaging please direct

investment in both countries across

energy, education, health care and

defence -- the package includes

direct investment.

Politicians in Florida have

approved a bill to tighten gun

controls in the State,

following last month's

deadly school shooting,

which killed 17 people.

The bill raises the legal age

for buying rifles and imposes

a three-day waiting period

on all firearms sales.

It will also allow the arming

of some school staff,

including teachers, but does not

include a ban on assault-style

weapons like the one used

in last month's attack.

The UK's public spending

watchdog has warned that many

councils in England will become

financially unsustainable

if they continue to rely

on their reserve funds to pay

for the increasing

demands of social care.

The National Audit Office says two

thirds of councils with social

care responsibilities

raided their reserves

in the financial year

ending last April.

The Government says a new funding

settlement has been approved

for councils to help pay

for the services that keep

communities running.

Train passengers will be able to

claim compensation more easily for

the knock-on costs of delays as part

of changes to ticket terms and

conditions. Rail companies are

removing a clause which says they

will not accept any liability for

indirect effects such as commuters

having to pay for taxis and hotels.

The consumer group Which? had

previously accused firms of

misleading the public. The soldiers

of the world Welsh have finally

managed to catch themselves a new

regimental mascot, formerly wild

goat who to give the troops the slip

when they first tried to catch him.

Six months of training before taking

up official duties. The Royal Welsh

have had a goat as a mascot since

the 18th century. I presume that is

a shot of them trying to catch said

goat!

That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 9:30.

Let us bring you some sport. I'm

just going to tell you what

interview we are starting our

programme with, an interview with

Steve, sitting next to me, his

photographs were stolen from his

Facebook profile and used on dating

sites to con women to handing over

in some cases thousands of pounds to

scammers. We will speak to him in a

moment in his first broadcast

interview and a serious message

which Steve will talk to you about

which is your profile is not your

own, what is on the is not yours,

anyone can take your stuff. Anyway,

he will articulate it much better

than I have! The sport now. More

Champions League football last

night, but all five British teams

will not be in the quarterfinals,

with some criticism.

None more so than Juventus

defender Giorgio Chiellini.

After they knocked Tottenham Hotspur

out of the Champions League 4-3

on aggregate, he told the media

that he and his teammates knew

Spurs were weak in defence

and fragile mentally and some

Tottenham fans may well agree

because although there's no shame

in being knocked out

by a side that has made two

of the last three finals

in the competition, it's

the manner of the goals

they conceded over the two legs

which will really hurt them.

Things had started

so well for Spurs.

They were well on top in the first

half and deservedly led

through Son Heung Min.

But then

experience told in the view

of veteran defender Chiellini

with Juventus stunning Spurs

with two goals in less

than three second-half minutes.

They go through to the last eight,

securing a 2-1 win at Wembley.

Afterwards Spurs boss

Mauricio Pochettino responded

to some of that criticism.

No experience, no lack of

concentration. How many chances we

concede, in the first leg of the

second leg today, I think we concede

three chances and they scored twice.

We created a lot of chances and only

scored one.

Well, things were far more

comfortable for Manchester City.

They went into the second leg

of their last 16 tie against

FC Basel with a 4-0 advantage

from their away tie,

and there was a collector's item

for the team from Switzerland.

A 2-1 win on the night making it

City's first home defeat

since the end of 2016, and just

the fourth time they've lost

in all competitions this season.

And it was an even more unusual

story for fans watching

at the Etihad, as manager

Pep Guardiola said his side

forgot to attack at times,

but they have been blessed so far

this season, with some more

entertainment ahead, I'm sure.

And disappointment for Phil Neville

is the new England women's manager?

England went into their final match

of the She Believes Cup,

knowing that a draw

against the United States in Orlando

would give them an international

tournament victory and a huge boost

after what's been a tumultuous

period, with the sacking

of Mark Sampson and the somewhat

unpopular appointment

of Phil Neville.

Unfortunately, they just fell short.

Facing the world's number one side

in their own back yard,

they put in a strong performance.

The only difference was an unsightly

piece of defending, which ended up

with an own goal for keeper

Karen Bardsley,

much to the disappointment

of Neville.

Defeat hurts, it is why I kept the

players on the pitch at the end of

the game, because sometimes you have

to feel that hurt and pain, see the

opposition lift the trophy, because

it sticks with you, and we hope at

the next competition, they remember

this pain and it kicks them on even

more.

Well, one way of trying

to improve their mood will be

a visit to Disneyland

when the players wake up,

but it may be little consolation.

More sport after ten.

Good morning, Thursday morning,

welcome to the programme.

Women across the internet have been

falling for this guy.

He's handsome, he's fun,

and he's charming.

Only trouble is, in reality,

he's not only married,

he's married to a man.

These pictures are of Steve Bustin.

He's a 46-year-old public speaking

coach from Brighton.

But his photos have been stolen

by a scammer, or maybe scammers,

who've been setting up profiles

on Facebook and a dating site,

to lure women into falling for him,

before asking for money.

We've heard before on this programme

from women who've been duped

by internet fraudsters,

but what's it like to have your

whole identity stolen by them?

Let's talk to Steve Bustin now.

You're a professional man,

fairly active on social media,

it's part of your job,

but about two years ago,

one day you find out

someone's using your photos

to create a Facebook profile.

What happened?

Yeah, I suddenly had people, friends

of mine on Facebook, saying, I had a

friend request from somebody using

your photos, is this you? That

escalated, I found profiles not in

my name at using the photos, and at

that point you could report to

Facebook that somebody was trying to

be you, you could only report that

they were trying to be some deals. I

had to get my friends to message

Facebook, and eventually they

flagged up my profile, and I got a

message from someone saying, it is

not just Facebook, I was on a dating

site, I thought I was chatting to

you. This was when I realised it had

gone further, so what's on point my

photos have been harvested, script

off my profile and sold. So data is

sold, and images are sold as well.

That allows people to do something

like this.

You have given us some

photographs of you which have been

used by the scammer scammers, let's

just think why your photographs were

used. There is a picture of you with

your sister, which we are going to

show any minute now. Why do think a

picture of you and your sister was

used?

Well, I know exactly why,

because the most recent woman I have

been in contact with, that is my

sister Nicola about three years ago,

but Martin, the most recent scammer,

we don't know his real name, he sent

that to a woman who contacted me

about three weeks ago and told her

that was him with his deceased wife.

Now, my sister is not terribly happy

about that, understandably, and it

is just wrong to be telling stories

about people that clearly aren't

true.

But the image and the story,

the fake story, which suggests that

you are a widower, that you are mid

50s perhaps, generally trustworthy,

is that what is going on there?

It

seems to be, yes.

This is you had a

Halloween party, how does this fit

in?

This is actually me at work,

weirdly! I was compere in a

Halloween ball last year. But it

means he has come back to my profile

multiple times to look for both

Dominic more photos to update. Most

of them ten years old, but this is

last October. Ian has come back to

refresh the file. He knows my name,

he has come back, and he knows where

to go to find more material.

And

this is you with your dog, let's

have a look at this, what does this

image portrayed to women looking for

a relationship? I suspect it

hopefully says cultured, because I

was reading!

At ease with animals...

Nice guy, you got a dog, must be

nice.

The scammer told the most

recent woman, Constance, that the

dog died last year, but she is very

much alive, so slightly odd that he

is making up these stories. I guess

he wanted it to seem like there was

a whole life there, I use social

media for business, but also family

and social stop. -- social stop.

and social stop. -- social stop.

But

it is not just still images, I'm

going to play this now for our

audience, let's just play it first,

you can explain what is going on.

This is Martin Petersen...

His

voice, my face, and a woman he was

talking to, Constance.

To actually talk properly.

It's because of where

I am in Bahrain.

Yes?

The internet is horrible.

Yes, I know.

It keeps stopping.

Well, you keep stopping

as well, and then the line

keeps breaking as well.

Oh, that's a shame.

It's good to see you.

How are you doing?

How is your Sunday going?

It's good to see you as well.

How is your Sunday going?

How was my what?

How is your Sunday going?

Oh, it's good, it is good.

Yes, it's lovely and sunny here,

so I've been in the garden.

Are you home alone?

Yes, I am today.

Where is everyone?

They've all gone home.

They live in London.

Are you coming home soon?

Are you coming home next weekend?

I'm coming in two

weeks, unfortunately.

Oh, OK, so an extra one.

I mean, I will be here

just before you know it.

I know, OK.

Then we can talk about

what we're going to do.

Can you hear me?

Yes, I can hear you.

Should I call you on a normal

call so we can talk?

Because this Skype thing

is not working for me.

It's working occasionally, a bit.

So let me call you on the phone,

if that's OK with you?

OK.

All right, let's do that.

All right.

So he took real footage of you and

made it look like the signal was

breaking up. Where did he get that

from?

I had to hunt for that, when

Constance said to me, by the time

that call to place, we were onto

him, so double was stringing him

along.

She agreed to do that and all

us to show it today.

It is not on my

YouTube channel or my Facebook

profile, so he had really had to try

and find that.

The all point is that

he is trying to Leo women into some

kind of relationship and, very early

on, he begins to ask for money. You

have met some of the women,

Constance is one of them, what were

they told?

It is very standard, he

is always a widower, tends to be

late 50s, often has to work abroad.

In that case, he was supposedly in

Bahrain, no idea where he was. But

when they are abroad, something goes

wrong, all of a sudden, could I have

some money, please? With Constance,

he had very recently said he had

been involved in a car accident,

sent a photograph of me after a

gardening accident, with blood on my

face, building up to asking for

money. Some of the other women have

been asked for thousands of pounds.

And have given thousands of pounds?

The women I have spoken to, no, they

have got suspicious in time, and

that is when they have done a

reverse Google image search, you can

find out where the image came from.

So, thankfully, I hate to think how

many women are dating me, somebody

who looks like me.

And you want to

get in touch with them all?

I would

love to know how many women are

dating somebody using my photos, it

would be great, get them together, I

will throw a party, we will invite

some single straight men, which is

what they are hoping to do!

Tim

says, locking your Facebook profile

is nothing new, so Facebook is

toeing the line, but if strangers

have got the photos, that is the

fault of the user.

To an extent,

yes, I do use Facebook, I have

always wanted to be open, because I

want people to be able to find me.

To an extent, I do put my life out

there. But that doesn't give

somebody permission to come and

steal it and use it for the various

purposes. But I think it does

highlight the fact that social media

is a public forum, and, yes, you can

shut your profile right down. Even

then, you would be surprised how

much information people can find.

You have to remember, when you put

something on social media, you are

really posting in public, you have

to bear that in mind. If there is

something you would not want seen in

public, don't post it. But I am not

sane people should not be posting on

social media, it is brilliant. But

just have an awareness it is out in

public.

But you want to campaign now

for a change in the law that would

stop this happening?

Ideally. I

mean, cat fishing is not illegal,

strangely.

What does it mean?

It is

the scamming of people using false

identities, and these scammers...

Oh, but it is illegal, it is fraud.

I have reported it to the police,

they are not interested, because

ultimately it is low-level, and at

this point there has been no

financial loss.

That you know of.

Certainly for me or Constance, but I

think there needs to be a more

explicit law around catfishing, it

is about identity theft, and it

doesn't sit in an obvious place in

the law. I think there is an onus on

the social media platforms to

tighten up and make people aware,

and Facebook are getting much better

at that. Twitter have got a lot to

learn. But also the dating sites, at

the moment their verification is

they ask you to send a photo, so

this guy just sent in my photo. That

is useless. When I have approached

the dating sites, their response has

been really poor. I do think there

needs to be something coming from

the Government in terms of laws,

enforcing websites that are hosting

profiles to tighten up their

security and make sure that people

control what can and cannot be seen

in public.

What does your husband

think of this?

You thought it was

funny at first, but then we saw the

video, and he mocked up a passport

with my photo, we felt it was more

serious. I had to reassure them that

he is safe, that these partners are

not my style! I have been within 16

years, we are very happy.

Thank you

for joining us.

Now listen to this.

It's what Rufaro Chisango,

a young black female student

at Nottingham Trent University

training to be a youth worker, had

to listen to from inside her room.

The abuse happened earlier this week

as drunken students congregated

outside of her room,

but after no response

from the university,

she put her footage up

on Twitter yesterday.

We have bleeped some of the words.

INAUDIBLE.

Leave her alone!

What was that, sorry?

# Say ooh-ah, BLEEP the blacks

# Say ooh-ah, BLEEP the blacks

# Say ooh-ah, BLEEP the blacks

A black woman...

# We hate the blacks

# We hate the blacks

INAUDIBLE.

# We hate the blacks

We hate blacks!

# We hate the blacks

We hate white people!

# We hate the blacks

White people are BLEEP.

# We hate the blacks

White people are...

# We hate the blacks

ALL TALK AT ONCE.

The blacks and the whites

are congregating.

I have a dream.

I have a dream.

I had a dream.

INAUDIBLE.

Let us talk to Rufaro now.

We are joined now by Mary Okpo,

the vice president of

Nottingham Trent Afro-Caribbean

Society.

What was the impact of what you were

hearing on new, Rufaro?

A big

impact, obviously. When it happened,

I just got home, five, ten minutes

later, I heard shouting from outside

my door, and I was just shocked,

that was my initial thought, really

shocked. I felt very isolated and

uncomfortable.

Sorry to interrupt,

without naming any names, do you

know the people who were shouting?

Yeah, I know who they are.

Have you

seen them since?

No, I haven't.

What

did you do? What complaint did you

make to the University?

I went to

the reception and I complained that

there was racial abuse outside my

corridor so they took a statement

and my details and stuff and they

said they would get back to me by

the morning, then they would have

spoken to them, because they all

went out that night. They didn't

contact me.

Since it happened, no

one has got in touch with you in

terms of university officials?

After

I put it on Twitter, that is when I

got more contact from the

University. This morning, someone

came from the University and had a

chat with me. I gave my statement to

them as well. I had e-mailed them as

well before.

What have you asked

them to do? What do you expect them

to do?

I just want them to take more

action on what is happening. I just

want the appropriate action to take

place. Obviously, it is racial

abuse, it should not be tolerated at

all. It should not have such a long

delay when I report something like

this.

Has this happened to you

before, Rufaro?

No, this hasn't

happened to me before.

Have you

considered contacting the police?

Yes, I have considered contacting

them but I wanted to see what the

university would do first.

OK. We're

hoping to talk to the vice president

of Nottingham Trent Afro-Caribbean

society but we have just lost the

line. In terms of your accommodation

scenario, do you feel comfortable

still residing in the room you are

in?

I feel OK now because more

action is taking place.

I'll going

to bring in Mary, if I made, Rufaro.

Hello, can you hear me, Mary?

Good

morning.

What would you expect the

university to do?

Anything that is

adequate.

What does that mean in

practical terms?

I don't know, a

suspension for the students, this is

unacceptable. As Steve Bustin is a

member of our committee, we have a

level of response ability to her --

as Rufaro is a member.

A suspension

to the students involved if they

are...

At the very least.

What at

the very worst?

Expulsion.

Really?

It is unacceptable. No

justification. Whether they were

inebriated or not, there is nothing

that can justify what they said. She

clearly was in a state of distress,

this could have affected her

incredibly, but she is a strong

girl, she has come through this,

with our support and the support of

her friends and family, but this was

a terrible incident.

How shocked you

buy that kind of language in Britain

in 2018? -- how shocked are you buy

that kind of language in Britain in

2018?

It is something I did not

think I would see. I wiz had an idea

racism was covert, but for it to be

so overtly open in 2018, it is

something that shocked me to the

highest -- I always had an idea

racism was Cofer.

Have you come

across this before at your

university?

I know there have been

other incidents at the University.

Not me, personally.

How rare are

they? How common are they?

I would

not say they are common, it is very

row, this is the second time it has

happened in the past year that I

know of. I would not say it is

common, but it is something that

should not happen at all in the

first place.

I have a statement from

Nottingham Trent University, we are

shocked and appalled to see the

video of racist chanting, this kind

of behaviour will not be tolerated.

Those suspected perpetrators have

been suspended pending a full

investigation. OK, that is just in.

We have contacted the student who

made the complaint and we are

supporting her and others affecting

and we will be liaising with the

police about this incident. While an

investigation is carried out, the

suspects have been suspended. How do

you respond to that?

Great. Because

no one should be able to get away

with this kind of disrespect, this

kind of racist behaviour in this

society today. I am happy.

Thank you

very much for talking to us, Mary,

vice president of Nottingham Trent

Afro-Caribbean Society. And you

heard first from Rufaro who posted

the footage on Twitter.

Still to come...

We'll be discussing the increase

of women from Northern Ireland

having abortions in England.

That is since charges were dropped

last summer, the number coming have

increased.

Some people are saying

their Amazon Alexa device has

been been letting out

an unprompted, creepy cackle.

It appears to happen without

any previous interaction.

Spooky or what?

Time for the latest news.

Here's Annita McVeigh.

The BBC News headlines this morning.

The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, is

due to make a statement this

lunchtime in the House of Commons

about the nerve agent used in the

attempted murder of a former Russian

spy and his daughter.

While police have now identified

the type of chemical,

it's not yet known where it was made

or who could have

carried out the attack.

Sergei and Yulia Skripal remain

in a critical condition in hospital.

A policeman who went to help them

was also seriously injured.

Suspected domestic abusers could be

electronically tagged,

as part of new government proposals.

A consultation has been launched

on a set of measures

for England and Wales,

which also include the first legal

definition of economic

abuse and a commissioner

to oversee the issue.

The Government is also

suggesting tougher sentences

for cases involving children,

and possible court orders

which could include

tagging or alcohol bans.

Two teenagers have died

and two children are among

the injured after a three-car

crash in North Yorkshire.

The boys, believed to be

17, died at the scene

on the A61 near Thirsk last night.

Five adults and two children

were taken to hospital.

Police have appealed for anyone who

saw what happened to get in touch.

The trial of a Danish man accused of

murdering a female journalist on

board of his home-made submarine and

then cutting up her corpse has

opened in Copenhagen.

Inventor Peter Madsen admits

dismembering Kim Wall's body,

and throwing it out to sea,

but denies killing her.

Ms Wall was working on a story

about Madsen when she went

missing last August.

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

Thank you. An e-mail here from a

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her name, that is absolutely fine,

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embarrassed over my desperation to

find love and it going pear shaped.

I paid £200 and it was to an address

in Ghana. The man was on a highly

advertised dating website and said

he was in the US

he was in the US military and rank.

Looking to retire shortly and hard

up for cash because he had been off

sick. His photos were so slick and

the conversations really attractive,

I believed I was in this

relationship with him for eight

months. After picking up on spelling

errors and I knew I had been conned,

I tried to trace him and the area it

came to be was a library in America.

Thank you very much for letting us

know. If you have been a victim of a

similar scam, let us know. We do not

need to use your name, you know

that. Here is the sport. Mauricio

Pochettino denies his side's lack of

experience was to blame for the

Champions League exit at the hands

of Juventus last night. The Italians

champions go through after coming

from behind that the 2-1 win at

Wembley

from behind that the 2-1 win at

Wembley, it ended 4-3 on aggregate.

Manchester City's boss Pep Guardiola

said his team forgot to attack, they

lost 2-110 FC Basel. They make it

through to the quarters but they

were beaten at home for the first

time since 2016. England's women

head coach Phil Neville has urged

the players to remember the pain of

missing out on winning the

couple-macro last night. They needed

a draw against the US but they were

beaten in Orlando. Rugby Union

Captain Dylan Hartley will miss

their Six Nations match against

France this weekend with a calf

injury meaning Owen Farrell will

captain England instead for the

first time. We will be back with

more sport after 10am. Let me bring

you this news. Terrorism related

offences in Britain and arrests, a

record 412 arrests for suspected

terrorism offences in the UK in

2017, Home Office figures just out.

Next, this programme can reveal

there has been a 14% increase in

women from Northern Ireland having

abortions in England since the

Government announced at the end of

June last year that women would no

longer have to pay for them.

In the last eight months,

at least 553 women travelled

from the country to England

to terminate their pregnancy.

Abortion is illegal

in Northern Ireland,

except for when a woman's life

is at risk or there is a permanent

and serious risk to her

physical or mental health.

But women can travel to mainland

Britain to have a termination.

They used to be charged £900,

but now they can have them for free.

Labour MP Stella Creasy

campaigned to get the charges

dropped last year,

and she's now leading a cross-party

group of politicians calling

on the Government to provide equal

access in Northern Ireland

so women no longer have

to travel to the mainland.

She joins us now from Westminster.

And in Belfast, we can speak

to Emma Campbell from

the pro-choice campaign group

Alliance for Choice.

Hello, both of you, thank you for

talking to us. Stella Creasy, your

reaction to the 14% increase since

abortions became free in this

country for women from Northern

Ireland?

It reveals the scale of the

need to address this issue. It is

simply unconscionable that in 2018

part of our nation, Northern Ireland

is part of the UK, we treat women

there differently than here in

London or Birmingham or Manchester

and what the data tells us is that

we need to go further because it is

not fair to ask women to travel. The

UN Convention on violence against

women has identified that asking

women in Northern Ireland to travel

to England to have an abortion is an

inhuman and degrading thing to do.

I

will ask you more about that in a

moment, I want to get reaction from

Emma as well to these figures we

have obtained.

We know that a number

of women travelling to the UK for

abortion treatment in the last five

years has dropped and we know

anecdotally that was because of use

of abortion pills people obtained

online and took illegally. Although

they were safe, we can see from the

recent prosecutions that it was

actually illegal. We understand

these figures to mean that people

are no longer willing to risk the

prosecution and they would rather

travel to access abortions than risk

this criminalisation. However, in

the week the funding was announced,

we had two phone calls from

different women unable to travel to

England, won because of violent

ex-partner destroyed all of her

identification and another because

she had a very young child and there

was no way for her to travel -- one

because of a violent ex-partner.

Although women can access the

treatment in the UK, there are often

women left behind because they

cannot travel.

What do you say about

that?

I agree with Stella and she

has been doing sterling work in

helping us campaign for a change in

Northern Ireland so women can access

it on equal terms to women in

England and Wales.

Stella Creasy,

why do you say the current

legislation is leading to, as you

said in your letter to the Minister

for Women and equality is, the Home

Secretary, Amber Rudd, leading to

torture or cruel and inhuman and

degrading treatment?

It is the United Nations committee

who says that, they have done an

inquiry into the situation in

Northern Ireland. The Government

told us they would ratify something

called the Istanbul convention which

is about ending violence against

women. In order to do that, they

have to tackle this issue, because

it is a fundamental human right to

have control over your body, and

that is what we are talking about.

We treat women Northern Ireland

differently, we forced them to

continue a pregnancy when they don't

want to, it is inhumane and it is

torture.

But this is a devolved

issue, so it is up to the Northern

Ireland Assembly, isn't it?

I am

curious as to why women's rights is

something we can devolve, but the

Government said they would allow a

free vote in the House of Commons

about extending same-sex marriage to

Northern Ireland, because we treat

the community that was differently.

I think you should be able to marry

who you love, but I don't understand

we recognise that as a human right

and the Government therefore needs

to act on that, but somehow when it

comes to women's rights, it is OK to

devolve. Crucially, the Northern

Ireland public opinion is with us as

well, it is the politicians you are

not listening to the people. They

want women to be able to access...

Nobody is saying we want to

encourage lots of abortions, but we

are saying it is a human right to

control what happens to your body.

The public wanted, why do women's

rights becomes something we can

devolve, but with other human

rights, we recognise we have to act?

The Home Office says, and they are

argument, the provision of abortion

services in Northern Ireland is a

matter for the Northern Ireland

Assembly.

So why are we saying we

will act on same-sex marriage but

not on women's rights? That seems to

me like we are being selective about

our fight for equality. This is

International Women's Day, you know,

feminist Christmas, as we like to

call it! But it is not enough to

march or use a hashtag, we need to

make progress, and when it comes to

abortion, a fundamental human right,

we have got a long way to go. This

Government was propping up Donald

Trump and the global gag rule. The

fact that we are treating women in

Northern Ireland differently, the

United Nations are calling us out,

and the question is, are we going to

act?

I can only see the first word

on your T-shirt, repeal, what is the

rest of it? I am wearing this to

stand in solidarity with brothers

and sisters in Ireland who are

having a referendum on repealing the

eighth amendment of the Irish Guards

and not with a label them to provide

abortion to women in island. -- the

Irish constitution. Women in Ireland

are having to travel to England, and

it is a fundamental human rights to

access health care, and reproductive

rights are crucial to equality. We

are saying we will fight with you

for human rights.

Thank you very much, Stella Creasy,

Emma Campbell, we have many messages

from you about the student, sorry,

let me tell you about this, we

contacted the Department of Health

and the Northern Ireland executive,

but they did not respond. Messages

about the racist footage posted on

Twitter by a student who was the

victim of it, Kari says, the racist

behaviour towards this young woman

should be investigated by the

university and the culprits should

be expelled. In the workplace, they

would lose their jobs and possibly

charges being brought against them,

no human being should have to go

through this. And this text goes on,

I am white brochures and a mum, and

I feel really sorry for this young

woman, I would be devastated if my

child was subjected to this sort of

behaviour, she has the support of

all this and people. This text is

anonymous, the students using racist

language should be expelled. Ken

says, it makes me embarrassed to be

British, I cannot believe young

people at university are allowed to

do that, they need to be kicked out,

they should be zero-tolerance. Peter

says, remove them and prosecute

them. Nottingham Trent university

have suspended the suspects while

the matter is investigated.

The trial of a Danish inventor

accused of murdering a Swedish

journalist on his self-built

submarine last August

has started in Copenhagen.

Peter Madsen has admitted

dismembering Kim Wall's body

and throwing it out

to sea but denies murder.

Louisa Dalsgaard is

a court reporter for DR,

the official Danish broadcasting

corporation in English.

Thank you for talking to us.

You are

welcome.

Tell us what happened to

the journalist.

Well, the police

think the journalist has been killed

on board of this submarine. Thursday

the 10th of August last year, they

think that Peter Madsen, the

submarine builder and owner of the

submarine, has killed her, he has

dismembered her body, and he has

done it so that he has plundered and

he has brought different things, a

saw to dismember her body, so I

planned murder.

planned murder.

ETA denies killing

Kim Wall, but he has changed his

story a number of times. -- he

denied.

It started when they found

him on board the submarine, they

have been searching for the

submarine the whole night, and they

found him and the submarine sank. He

told the police at that time that he

had dropped Kim Wall off the same

night, and that she had not been on

the submarine the whole night. Then

he changed his story to that she had

died from a accident on the

submarine, she had been hit by the

winch in the submarine, and then she

died. And then later he told police

that she died from a poisoning of

some sort, he couldn't tell, we

don't know yet what he told the

police the last time, but he keeps

on saying that it was an accident,

he has not killed her, but he admits

to having dismembered her body.

At

the trial is expected to last 12

days, thank you very much, court

reporter at the official Danish

broadcasting corporation in English.

A report published this morning

gives a damming account

of the financial state of local

authorities in England and Wales.

Councils do now have greater freedom

to raise council tax than before,

but the money they get from central

government has been

significantly reduced.

The National Audit Office says

many are now relying on reserves,

which will eventually run out.

One of the services provided

by councils is social care,

an area which is facing

a sharp increase in demand

as the population ages.

So could the ability of councils

to provide social care services

safely be under threat?

With us in the studio,

Nadra Ahmed,

chair of the National Care

Association,

which represents small to medium

sized independent care homes,

and John Fuller,

the Conservative leader

of South Norfolk Council

and vice chairman

of the Local Government

Association's Resources Board.

How do you react to

the NAO's findings?

Well, councils have been saying this

for a long time, saying that we are

facing a triple whammy, the amount

of support from government is

falling, the demand for services is

increasing, and inflationary

pressures and councils are higher

than ever. We would say that,

wouldn't we? But the NAO has shone a

spotlight on some of the real

issues, funding pressures we are

facing, and adult social care is one

of those.

Is the Government

listening to you?

Let's face it, the

general election and the

Conservative manifesto got hung up

on adult social care, it is a really

tricky issue, and this is something

more than just councils, something

where a new settlement between

government and councils, who

delivers social care. We have an NHS

but a local care service, and the

demand for social care, and not just

for old people, but people of all

ages, is growing faster than the

ability of councils to raise council

tax.

You are not just financially

stretched because of social care, so

is anyone in government listening to

what even Conservative leaders are

saying?

Government is listening,

they have made a series of small

adjustments over the last few weeks,

but we are all waiting with bated

breath for the green paper on social

care which will be published in

June.

How close is your council to

running out of money?

We have had to

innovate and grow income, we are

building houses again in a way we

did not before. We are in for a

standing count, I would say.

What

does that mean?

We can keep our

heads above water, but there are

many authorities who have social

care responsibilities, over half

their total budget is going on

social care, and we do 136 services.

Left unchecked, the amount of money

required to pay for social care at a

local level would overwhelm the rest

of the things that councils do.

What

is your take on this?

The challenge

is substantial, but it has been

known about for quite some time, at

least two and a half decades we have

none.

So how shocked you that

government after government tries a

bit to do something but never in the

end comes up with anything because

it is too difficult?

We are

absolutely stunned that, having said

this for such a long time, both to

local government and to national

government, we have had this kind of

cut, cuts, cut, if you like,

ongoing. The people who are

suffering are at the receiving end

of this, and the provider sector

that I represent is having to meet

those challenges, despite the fact

that funding is not in place. So the

challenge for us will always be that

central government needs to

understand and to listen to the

facts. The fact that there, they are

blatant, there are numerous reports

that have said we can't keep cutting

social care, but despite it, we get

it all the time. Health has got to

understand about the integration, we

have got to understand what

integration means, and how we can

save money from actually making it

happen.

So the Government would say,

in England and Wales, health funding

has been protected, ringfenced, that

is true, but they have cut social

care, hence people end up in

hospitals, staying there, blocking

beds, because there is nowhere for

them to go in the community. It is

just with describing what social

care is, because not everybody is

clear what it means.

Social care is

when people who have vulnerable

needs, not just old people...

Mostly

it is.

The fastest-growing part of

social care is people of working

age, youngsters who have reached

adult food, in a way that might not

have happened previously through

medical science. Which we celebrate,

of course, and when we have to look

at the people, it can be 24-hour

care or just a little bit of a

helping hand, meals on wheels type

things, but it is helping people

make the most of their lives,

ideally staying in their homes for

longer, because that is much better

value than having to go into

full-time care homes. That is what

social care...

How frustrated you

that this government is not gripping

it?

We hope that in June they will

grip the matter, in the sense of

recognising that councils, with the

local care system that we have, with

the increases in demand, it is up

15% over the last few years, that is

what the National Audit Office

report says, growing much faster,

and it suits the government, and

successive governments, to make sure

that huge demand is on local

taxpayers, rather than central

taxation. We have got to the point

WEC council tax alone cannot keep

the lights on

the lights on in social care

would

you say funding levels are at

dangerous levels?

I think they have

passed a critical level, they are

really at the end, and that is where

we are seeing care provision

closing, and that is why you have

got more people blocking hospital

beds. So I think we are past that

crisis point, and a solution has to

be found, and it needs to be

sustainable, it can't just be that

we will put sticking plasters around

again and again.

Thank you both very

much. The latest news and sport on

the way, but first the weather.

We have had some snow this morning,

lovely pictures, lovely to look at

if you don't have to travel in it,

but some of the snow has been

heavily across Wales, the Midlands

and northern England. Through the

next couple of hours, continuing to

drift steadily eastwards. If you

haven't got snow, you probably have

rain from the same system. When it

clears, it will brighten up behind

it, and for many parts of the UK,

dry with lengthy spells of sunshine.

Some cloud around, producing showers

in the West. On the hills, it could

prove to be wintry. Temperature

range roughly 5-10 towards the

south. This evening and overnight, a

lot of clear skies means that the

temperature will drop quite quickly,

a widespread frost, and the risk of

ice one untreated surfaces. Wintry

showers across Scotland, and we

could also see freezing fog across

parts of Wales and northern England.

Temperatures in towns and cities

there, lower than this in rural

areas. By the end of the night, more

cloud building in from the

south-west, this is an area of low

pressure which is coming our way,

cloudy spilling across southern

parts of England and Wales, later

rain will come in, the wind will

strengthen. But move away from the

south, and other beautiful day, a

lot of dry weather and sunshine

around, wintry showers more

especially on the hills of Scotland,

temperatures roughly 8-10, maybe 11.

With this area of low pressure, we

will be pulling in some milder air,

and with the cloud and rain, that

will migrate northwards as we go

through the course of the weekend,

so we will notice a lift in

temperatures. Having said that, the

weather is not going to be pretty.

You can see that here in graphical

form, on Saturday, as low pressure

moves north, it brings this cloud

and rain, snow on the leading edge

in Scotland, more especially with

height. But look at the

temperatures, maybe even 14 degrees.

In the north of Scotland, 6-7. Then

by the time we get to Sunday, the

low pressure will have pulled this

weather front into the far north of

Scotland, clearing the mainland,

reducing rain and snow across the

Northern Isles. Behind it, there

will be a lot of cloud. Now, there

will be some breaks McLeod, some of

us will see brighter conditions, but

a rash of showers coming in across

the south-west and Wales, some

getting in across southern counties

too. Some of those could prove to be

heavy. Temperatures up to 14 in the

London area, 11 in Cardiff, looking

at nine or ten across parts of

Scotland in the back and 11 in

Northern Ireland, we haven't seen

that for a while.

Hello, it's Thursday, it's 10am,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

Counterterrorism officers

are working to uncover the origin

of the nerve agent used

in the attempted murder

of ex-Russian spy Sergei Skripal

and his daughter, Yulia.

We'll be speaking to the person

who is considered Vladimir Putin's

number one enemy.

When you have the nerve agent, it

narrows down the number who could

have done this crime. Not many

organisations in the world have

access to nerve agents. It is

something only a government can do.

That interview in the next few

minutes.

Suspected domestic abusers could be

electronically tagged or banned

from drinking alcohol under tough

new measures being proposed

to tackle the problem.

We will discuss that in the next

half an hour.

An urgent investigation

has been launched by

Nottingham Trent University

after video of a black student

being racially abused

outside her room appeared online.

The students suspected

of being involved have

been suspended.

Good morning. Here is the latest

news.

Good morning.

The Home Secretary Amber Rudd is due

to make a statement in the Commons

about the suspected murder of Sergei

and Yulia Skripal. It is not known

who could have carried out the

attack or word that substance was

made. Sergei and Yulia Skripal

remaining in a quotable condition in

hospital and a policeman who went to

help them is also seriously --

remain in a critical condition in

hospital.

This is a serious incident

which is why we have got the police

there in full force and we are

giving all the support we can, the

medical support necessary, to the

people affected. I am very concerned

about the policeman. I would observe

our chief medical us was that Sally

Davies has said the rest of the

public is low so I would urge the

public to take comfort from that --

Chief Medical Officer. We have been

ready for a while for a number of

different types of terrorist

activity and we're making sure we

give the public support and contain

the dissident the incident and have

the evidence so that when we come to

it, we will know what to do.

Suspected domestic abusers

could be electronically tagged,

as part of new government proposals.

A consultation has been launched

on a set of measures

for England and Wales,

which also include the first legal

definition of economic

abuse and a commissioner

to oversee the issue.

The Government is also

suggesting tougher sentences

for cases involving children,

and possible court orders

which could include

tagging or alcohol bans.

Nottingham Trent University

say they have suspended students

accused of racist chanting

at a young black female student.

Rufaro Chisango was alone

in her room on Monday night

when she heard the drunken students

shouting and put a video of

the abuse up on Twitter yesterday.

Two teenagers have died

and two children are among

the injured after a three-car crash

in North Yorkshire.

The boys, believed to be aged 17,

died at the scene on the A61

near Thirsk, last night.

Five adults and two children

were taken to hospital.

Police have appealed for anyone who

saw what happened to get in touch.

The trial of a Danish man

accused of murdering a female

journalist aboard his

homemade submarine and then

cutting up her corpse has

opened in Copenhagen.

Inventor Peter Madsen admits

dismembering Kim Wall's body,

and throwing it out to sea,

but denies killing her.

Ms Wall was working on a story

about Madsen when she went

missing last August.

Bonuses for 84,000

staff at John Lewis

and Waitrose have been cut

for the fifth year in a row.

There was a dramatic fall in

profits. Employees will get a 5%

bonus, down from 6% last year.

The announcement comes

after it posted a 77% fall

in pre-tax profits to £103.9 million

for the year to the end of January.

That's a summary of the latest

BBC News - more at 10.30.

The latest sport in the moment.

After 10.30 - we're focusing

on International Women's Day -

and we'll be asking these women

what's the best thing

about being a woman in 2018.

That is after half past ten. You can

tell me what you think is being --

what you think is the best thing

about being a woman in 2018. Many of

you have been getting in touch about

the racist incident at Nottingham

Trent R Crean Vestey. My daughter is

at this university, I am appalled to

see this -- Nottingham Trent

University. This happened to my

daughter, my daughter had to leave

her room and take a break from her

course because it's caused her so

much stress and she had a breakdown.

Someone at the University has to

support the students. An anonymous

text, they should be expelled. Keep

your comments coming in.

Here's some sport now with Hugh.

England have named their team

for Le Crunch this weekend -

the crucial meeting with France

in rugby union's Six

Nations this weekend.

Captain Dylan Hartley will miss

the match with a calf injury -

he's replaced at hooker

by Jamie George.

Elliot Daly, scoring here,

returns on the wing,

while Owen Farrell will skipper

the side in Hartley's absence

for the match in Paris on Saturday.

Difficult night for Tottenham in the

Champions League last night.

Juventus defender Giorgio Chiellini

said they were fragile mentally.

Mauricio Pochettino responded to

some criticism they have had.

Lack

of experience, lack of

concentration, with how many chances

we conceded... On the first leg and

the second leg today, I think we

conceded three chances and they

scored twice and we played a lot of

chances and we only scored one. Phil

Neville has urged his players to

remember the pain of missing out on

winning the She Believes Cup last

night.

Needing at least a draw,

they were beaten 1-0

by the United States in Orlando.

The opportunity we get to build and

try to entertain as well, we have to

use our strengths to the best we can

and I feel like Phil allows us to do

that and he instilled belief in what

we are doing, really excited because

we have been together a few weeks

and we have already made quite a lot

of progress. A lot of exciting

things to come, I think. Snowboarder

Owen Pick has been selected for the

GB flag bearer for the Paralympics

Winter

GB flag bearer for the Paralympics

Winter.

The Russian athletes have

not been fully reinstated as an

Olympic and Paralympic nation just

yet, but the athletes he believes

are clean...

We have been working

through independent task force with

the Russian Paralympic committee,

and we have criteria agreed for

their reinstatement, they have not

met it yet, but the progress they

have made, and when we took the

decision in January, 18 months after

Rio de Janeiro, the situation has

changed, we are now in a situation

where we can say with some degree of

confidence that athletes competing

here are as clean as any other

athletes.

That is all the sport for

now. More later on.

It's now known that a nerve agent

was used in the suspected poisoning

of a former Russian double agent

and his daughter.

Sergei and Yulia Skripal were found

unconscious in Salisbury on Sunday

afternoon and remain critically ill.

The Russian Government has said

the incident is being used