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I don't have much positive things

to say about Motor Neurone disease

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but it taught me not to pity myself

and to get on with

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what I still could do.

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I'm happier now than before

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I developed the condition.

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'A brilliant and extraordinary

mind - one of the great

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scientists of his generation' -

one of thousands of tributes to

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Professor Stephen Hawking,

world-famous for his ground-breaking

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work on black holes

and for re-defining perceptions

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of people with disabilities,

has died at the age of 76.

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We will be looking back at the life

and legacy of the most talked-about

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scientist since Einstein.

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Also - if your children go

to a nursery, chances that they're

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taught by a man are incredibly slim.

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Why?

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There was a lot of stigma based

on negative stories out

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there about men in childcare and,

you know, just children

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being at harm and at risk and men

not being able to be nurturing

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and men not being able to work

with children so small.

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We've been exploring

why men are so unlikely

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to join the profession -

why that's bad for our children

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and we have exclusive details

on what is being recommended

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to reverse the trend.

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And Mr Twinkle Toes,

ballroom star Len Goodman,

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is with us this morning.

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We will be talking about Strictly

and the campaign he's spearheading

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to try to stop over 60s falling

victim to bank scams.

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Good morning, welcome

to our programme.

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If you have a disability we want to

hear from you this morning, how

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Professor Steven Hawking inspired

you. So significant how he

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approached his motor neurone

disease, did his attitude towards

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his disability affecting a positive

way the way that you approached

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yours? We would love to talk to you

on the programme in the second hour

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of the programme today. Send me an

e-mail, message as on Facebook or

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use WhatsApp. Of course, that's our

top story today.

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Britain's most famous scientist,

Professor Stephen Hawking,

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has died at the age of 76.

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Hawking's fame came largely

from his best-selling book,

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"A Brief History of Time"

which outlined his theories

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about the universe.

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He had a brilliant career

despite being diagnosed with motor

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neurone disease in 1964

and being told he had just

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a few years to live.

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Within the past few minutes,

Theresa May has described him

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as "one of the great scientists

of his generation, whose courage,

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humour and determination

to get the most from life

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was an inspiration".

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Nick Higham reports.

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He was instantly recognisable

and utterly remarkable.

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The visionary scientist,

helpless in his high-tech

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wheelchair, who nonetheless

transformed our view

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of the universe.

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While a student, he developed

the first signs of motor neurone

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disease.

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Gradually his body shut down

until he could communicate only

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using a computerised voice

synthesiser, controlled,

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to start with, by hand.

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It didn't hold him back.

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I was never actually told that I had

only two years to live,

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but I could see the doctors didn't

think my prospects were good.

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His fame sprang from his book,

A Brief History of Time.

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It sold 10 million copies.

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But though many bought it,

rather fewer actually read it.

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His theories about time,

space and black holes

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were stupendously difficult

for non-specialists to grasp,

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but he turned out to

have a genius for communication.

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He gave lectures and interviews,

and became an unlikely celebrity.

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His private life was complicated.

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With his first wife, Jane,

he had three children and she looked

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after him until, in 1990,

he left her for his nurse,

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Elaine.

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They eventually married, only

for claims to emerge that Hawking

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had been physically abused.

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Police investigated,

but the case was dropped

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for lack of evidence.

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The couple later divorced.

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Too often we are told that these

are stupid questions to ask,

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but this is said by grown-ups

who don't know the answers...

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He never lost his sense of humour.

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Though by the end, he could only

speak by twitching his cheek to move

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an infrared beam.

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I don't have much positive to say

about motor neurone disease,

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but it taught me not

to pity myself and to get

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on with what I still could do.

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I'm happier now than before

I developed the condition.

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In 2014, his life was dramatised

in The Theory of Everything,

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with Eddie Redmayne playing Hawking.

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..To see what happened

at the beginning of time itself.

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Stephen, here you are.

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At Cambridge, they unveiled a statue

of him, a rare honour

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for someone still living.

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But few did more to transform our

understanding of the universe

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and to overcome personal challenges.

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We will talk much more about Steven

Hawking through the programme this

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morning.

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Joanna Gosling is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary

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of the rest of the days news.

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Theresa May is expected to announce

sanctions against Russia

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after the Kremlin failed

to explain their role in a chemical

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attack in Salisbury.

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Last night, the Russian Embassy

hinted that the expulsion

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of its diplomats from London

would have an impact on their

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British counterparts in Moscow.

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Jane-Frances Kelly reports.

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It began as an attack

on the streets of Salisbury.

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The poisoning of a former Russian

intelligence officer

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and his daughter.

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But there is now diplomatic deadlock

between Britain and Moscow.

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I'm standing outside the Russian

embassy here in London

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and the midnight deadline

has just passed.

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The only reaction the British

government has got from the Russians

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so far are angry denials

and the threat of retaliatory action

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if they take measures

against Moscow.

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They've also helpfully got

a screen outside here that

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shows their Twitter feed,

and on it they say:

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The Russian Foreign Minister,

Sergey Lavrov, has objected to only

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being given 24 hours to respond

to the claim Russia used

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a chemical weapon.

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Russia should get ten days, he said,

accusing Britain of flouncing

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the chemical weapons convention.

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Meanwhile, in Salisbury,

painstaking work continues.

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Police are appealing for witnesses

who might have seen Sergei

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and Yulia Skripal in their red BMW

car on the day they were poisoned.

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Separately a number of deaths

are also being reinvestigated

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by police and MI5 after claims

of Russian involvement.

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They include a man in his 60s found

dead in New Maldon on Monday,

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who is believed to be Russian

businessman Nikolai Glushkov,

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a friend of Boris Berezovsky,

who was found hanged

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in his home in 2013.

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This morning Theresa May will be

briefed by her national security

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council before going to Parliament,

where she's expected to announce

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a series of measures against Russia.

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Jane-Frances Kelly, BBC News.

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Let's talk to our assistant

political editor Norman Smith...

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Is it clear what those measures are

likely to be?

We know the range that

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Theresa May is thought to be looking

out, they include expelling Russian

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diplomats based in London after the

murder of Alexander Litvinenko four

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diplomats were expelled, so I think

we can expect considerably more to

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be booted out this time. There are

also likely to be acid freezes,

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travel bans on those closely

associated with President Putin. And

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some suggestions that perhaps the

broadcasting licence for RTE may be

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revoked, I think that is less

likely, it would be a gift for

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President Putin in propaganda terms

of he was able to say that the West

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was shutting down Russian

broadcasters and he has threatened

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to retaliate against British media

in Russia but the key is a more

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long-term range of measures which

will require international backing

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from organisations like the EU, also

looking to America. Or at an further

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sanctions. That may take an awful

lot longer to put in place. Although

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following phone calls would Boris

Johnson and Theresa May and a number

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of international leaders, they have

expressed support and there have

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been expressions of solidarity

mailing them down to specific

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commitments, that may be harder and

more time-consuming to put in place

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-- mailing them down.

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The government is to spend £50

million on trying to raise racial

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and religious tensions.

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It is one of a number of proposals

in the government's integrated

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communities strategy,

which is to be published more

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than a year after an independent

review found the country had become

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more divided as it

had become diverse.

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Here's our Home Editor,

Mark Easton.

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17 years after race riots

in Bradford, an official report

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warned of highly segregated

communities where people led

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parallel lives, the city will now be

named among five places in England

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that must adopt an integration plan.

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The others Waltham Forest in London,

Peterborough, Walsall and Blackburn,

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all areas with a history of racial

and ethnic tensions.

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12 years ago, Blackburn

was highlighted as suffering

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from deep segregation between white

and Asian communities.

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To reduce tensions, teenagers

were bussed in from other

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schools to integrate.

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Pupils from a 99% white

secondary school made to meet

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pupils from a 95% nonwhite

secondary across town.

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Today's strategy suggests

more schemes like this.

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It also proposes some extra support

for English-language classes,

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state provision has halved

in the last few years,

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new targeted help to improve

economic opportunities for people

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in segregated communities,

particularly women,

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and the promotion of pluralistic

British values by teachers.

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The strategy is the latest in a long

line of government initiatives

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to try and deal with one

of Britain's most sensitive

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and enduring social challenges.

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Mark Easton, BBC News.

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Around a third of NHS clinics

and a quarter of private ones

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offering breast implant surgery

in England have not sent any patient

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data to a national safety registry.

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NHS Digital set up the service

in 2016 to safeguard

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patients after the PIP scandal,

when thousands of women

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received faulty implants.

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Women who have had surgery

are now being urged to make

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sure their details are added

to the register.

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The creators of The Crown have

admitted Claire Foy who portrays

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the Queen was paid less

than her male counterpart.

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Matt Smith's portrayal of a young

Duke of Edinburgh earned him more

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than Foy's Golden Globe-winning

performance as Queen Elizabeth

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in the Netflix drama.

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The show's producers said Smith's

previous starring role

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in Doctor Who meant he was paid more

than his co-star.

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The University of Mosul, in Iraq -

which was left in ruins

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by Islamic State militants -

is to begin re-stocking its library,

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with new books donated from the UK.

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It's believed that well over 100,000

manuscripts were destroyed

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or looted during the IS occupation.

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A lecturer told the BBC

he was so happy when the books

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arrived from Britain, he danced.

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That's a summary of the latest BBC

News, more at 9:30am.

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Thank you. Thank you for your

messages about Professor Steven

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Hawking.

We will focus on all areas of his

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life today, his brilliant scientific

mind, the theoretical physics

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breakthroughs and how he approached

his disability. Luke says that how

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he inspired him was to never give up

and not focus on what you cannot do

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but what you can.

Another says that Steven Hawking was

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a great advocate for the NHS and

will be sorely missed, and another

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says that he is an inspirational

role model as to what can be

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achieved with someone with a

disability. His determination and

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focus to keep going and keep

achieving professionally. Respect

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and RIP. Thank you for those.

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Time for a look at the sport. A

disappointing night for Manchester

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United?

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More than disappointing -

their opposition last night Sevilla

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had more shots on goal than any team

to visit Old Trafford

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since the great Real Madrid

a full five years ago...

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And the manner of defeat has really

hurt the Manchester United fans -

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a tradition of arrogant,

effective attacking football has

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diminished in the past four or five

years but this performance may well

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be worse than anything

they saw under David Moyes

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or Louis Van Gaal -

there was a severe lack of urgency

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and watching Jose Mourinho's team,

you really wouldn't have known

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a place in the Champions

League was at stake...

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The tie was poised at 0-0

after the first leg in Spain,

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but with away goals counting double,

United looked like they

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really hadn't realised.

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Sevilla took control by scoring

a crucial away goal with less

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than 20 minutes left.

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The Spanish side put the tie to bed

with a second soon afterwards,

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with Wissam Ben Yedder's second.

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If they weren't angry enough,

Manchester United fans won't be

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overly happy with Jose Mourinho's

comments after the match...

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I sit in this chair twice in the

Champions League. And I walk out

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with Manchester United at home at

Old Trafford. I sit in this chair

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with Real Madrid, Manchester United

out... So I do not think it is

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something new for the club. Of

course, being Manchester United

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manager, and losing the Champions

League tie at home, that is

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devastating.

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The Chelsea game tonight is poised

at 1-1. They have not been beaten on

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their last four fizzes away to beat

Barcelona at the Nou Camp.

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And at the Winter Paralympics there

has been another medal for Great

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Britain?

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Yes, things going very well

for ParalympicsGB out in Pyeongchang

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and especially for skiiers

Menna Fitzpatrick

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and guide Jen Kehoe.

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They've won their third medal

at the Games after finishing second

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in the women's visually

impaired giant slalom...

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It wasn't the best day for GB's

other entrants, Kelly Gallagher and

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her guide, Millie Knight and Brett

Wild incident. But the medal tally

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is at five so far in South Korea.

They are nearly at the target of

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seven set by UK Sport.

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Well, the beast from the east has

left Cheltenham racecourse with some

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very heavy ground underfoot -

it made for hard work for the horses

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and jockey's on the opening day

at the Festival but there was no

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dampening of spirits...

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In fact, the sun was shining

as Buveur D'Air took

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the big race on day one...

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The Nicky Henderson trained horse

was the odds-on favourite

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going into the Champion Hurdle,

but he and jockey Barry Geraghty

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were pushed all the way

by the seven to one shot Melon,

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winning by barely

a neck on the line.

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It means Buveaur D'Air

retains his title and gives

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Henderson his seventh winner

in the race.

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The Queen Mother Champion Chase

is the feature race today -

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Altior is the favourite -

another Nicky Henderson horse.

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Coverage with John Inverdale

on the team 5live from 1pm.

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Thank you very much, for the moment.

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If your child is under 5 -

the chances of a man

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teaching them are very slim.

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The numbers of men working as early

years teachers has always been low.

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In fact, for the last 20 years,

it's been around 2% of the total

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workforce in the sector.

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There are currently around 25,000

job vacancies and the Government has

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recognised how important men

in early years can be

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to the children they teach.

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Efforts have been made by small

groups across the country

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to increase those numbers,

and our reporter Chris Hemmings has

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been given exclusive access

to proposals being drawn up

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to advise the Government

on how they can help.

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MUSIC

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What one?

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Where is your puppet one?

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If you send your child to a nursery,

chances are the don't have

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a male teacher.

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A lot of men don't see it

as a man's job, you know?

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And a lot of men are not aware

that the role actually exists.

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There's about 400,000 early years

educators in the UK, and about 98%

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of those are female.

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Many people think they

will just be average

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baby-sitting, kind of thing.

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But what they actually

learn from the

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early years really

sets them up for life.

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Men are not being encouraged

into the profession.

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And when they do take

jobs, they still face

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prejudices.

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Because I was a man,

it wouldn't be appropriate for me to

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work in early years because of

safeguarding concerns, they were

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worried particularly

what the parents might think.

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The government said they need

help addressing the

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problem and a task force

was set up to advise them.

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We've been given exclusive

access to what the

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government is being urged to do.

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Well done, give yourselves a clap.

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Jamal Campbell is a rarity.

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He's a member of the

London early years

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foundation, and part of the just 2%

of the teaching bid teachers under

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five who are male.

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He started teaching 16

years ago, and is still

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frustrated by how little status

is given to his job.

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We deserve more.

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We deserve more because it is such

an important profession, you know,

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people are entrusting their

precious, their babies to us to

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care for them, and teach

them and nurture them.

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You know, we spend more time

with their children than

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they do.

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And we're helping them so when they

go to primary school, when

0:18:430:18:46

they go to secondary school,

they've got the tools.

0:18:460:18:54

So, what do you think it is that

puts men off coming into

0:18:570:19:01

the profession in the first place?

0:19:010:19:02

The thing about a lot of men

is a lot of them haven't tapped

0:19:020:19:06

into that side of their personality

yet, but I

0:19:060:19:08

think what will draw people

to the profession is if they had

0:19:080:19:11

more knowledge about the profession,

they will understand that...

0:19:110:19:17

They will get to see the benefits

they will have of having a balanced

0:19:170:19:20

workforce, you know?

0:19:200:19:21

Do you think there is

a stigma attached to it?

0:19:210:19:25

Yes, there is a lot of stigma based

on negative stories that are out

0:19:250:19:29

there about men in childcare,

you know, and just children

0:19:290:19:35

being at risk, men not

being able to be nurturing,

0:19:350:19:40

men not being able to work

with children so small.

0:19:400:19:43

Some children out there

may not have a male

0:19:430:19:47

in their home, there needs

to be balance, they need

0:19:470:19:49

to have that interaction.

0:19:490:19:52

It breaks down the whole, you have

to be macho to be a male thing.

0:19:520:19:56

You know?

0:19:560:19:58

It shows them that men can be silly,

men can play, men can make

0:19:580:20:02

jokes, men can give you a hug,

you know, if you've fallen down.

0:20:020:20:07

Basically we're positive role models

for them and we show them a whole

0:20:070:20:10

different side of this

being a male thing.

0:20:100:20:17

I'm going to see who's

going to choose one of our songs.

0:20:170:20:20

Me, me!

0:20:200:20:21

I'm looking to see who's listening.

0:20:210:20:24

Most nurseries in the UK

are privatised, but some councils do

0:20:240:20:27

still provide early years education.

0:20:270:20:29

We asked each of those councils how

many male nursery teachers they

0:20:290:20:32

employ.

0:20:320:20:36

And of the 38 who told us

they still have in-house nursery

0:20:360:20:40

services, 26 do not hire

a single male teacher.

0:20:400:20:42

So, what's putting men off?

0:20:420:20:48

James is just 23 years old,

and in January this year,

0:20:480:20:53

parents had him removed

from a class on the

0:20:530:20:56

first day of his very first job.

0:20:560:20:58

I had been there

maybe 20 minutes,

0:20:580:21:00

"I'm sorry, we need to move you.

0:21:000:21:02

I'll explain in the corridor."

0:21:020:21:05

And they explained that

because I was a man,

0:21:050:21:10

it wouldn't be appropriate for me

to work in early years, basically

0:21:100:21:16

because of safeguarding concerns,

they were worried particularly what

0:21:160:21:20

the parents might think

and stuff like that.

0:21:200:21:28

So I ended up being moved to Year 4.

0:21:290:21:31

I was obviously shocked as you might

expect, but also I had

0:21:310:21:35

heard stories and rumours that this

was the kind of thing you could kind

0:21:350:21:38

of expect if you are

a man in early years -

0:21:380:21:41

there would be kind of an air

of suspicion around you,

0:21:410:21:44

men can't be trusted.

0:21:440:21:48

It was more of a, yes,

this isn't right that

0:21:480:21:52

is happening to me, but it's kind

of to be expected.

0:21:520:21:55

That must have been

heartbreaking for you.

0:21:550:21:58

Yes, it was tough,

I couldn't believe that after

0:21:580:22:03

they had fed back to me at the end

of the day really positively,

0:22:030:22:08

they had then gone and said

to the agency, we don't want him

0:22:080:22:11

because we need to put

someone in reception,

0:22:110:22:14

and from what they had indicated

through the conversation I had had

0:22:140:22:21

at the school, it was more

because I am a man,

0:22:210:22:24

I couldn't have been there -

but if I had been a woman,

0:22:240:22:27

I would have been kept

for a second day.

0:22:270:22:29

Almost exactly a year ago,

a government report highlighted the

0:22:290:22:31

lack of gender diversity and clearly

stated they wanted more men to

0:22:310:22:34

choose to work in early years.

0:22:340:22:36

It highlighted that

more men would help

0:22:360:22:38

plug the near 25,000

early years job vacancies

0:22:380:22:41

and would increase the number

of male role models

0:22:410:22:44

for children, and also recognise

that children from lone parent

0:22:440:22:49

families spend very

little time with men, and

0:22:490:22:51

so, in their own words, male early

years workers are therefore vital

0:22:510:22:54

in making sure young children have

quality contact time with men.

0:22:540:22:58

As part of that early years

strategy, the government

0:22:580:23:00

set up a task force.

0:23:000:23:04

Its aim was to advise them on how

to improve gender diversity.

0:23:040:23:07

It is chaired by

David Wright, he runs

0:23:070:23:12

Paint Box nurseries in Southampton,

and has helped set up a network of

0:23:120:23:15

men in early years across the UK.

0:23:150:23:16

We do have a problem

attracting good staff,

0:23:160:23:19

and 50% of the population

are excluded from that

0:23:190:23:22

because they are not

interested, they don't know

0:23:220:23:28

that they are welcome and there

is a career for them they are.

0:23:280:23:31

So, what is stopping them?

0:23:310:23:33

I think because it is mostly

female staff working here,

0:23:330:23:36

they do act in some sense

as gatekeepers, and I think

0:23:360:23:39

if you were a 16-year-old lad

and you were

0:23:390:23:41

looking to come and work

with young children,

0:23:410:23:45

you would be dissuaded by your

parents, you would probably be

0:23:450:23:51

dissuaded by careers advisers and

teachers, and then there is

0:23:510:23:53

the whole issue around your sense of

masculinity - what do

0:23:530:23:58

you tell your friends down

the pub that you're doing?

0:23:580:24:02

And you're entering into a workforce

where you would be in the

0:24:020:24:05

minority - and again

that is isolating.

0:24:050:24:07

So, the percentage of the workforce

that is male has been

0:24:070:24:09

about 2% for as long as you can

remember, 20 years at least.

0:24:090:24:12

Has the government done

enough in that time to

0:24:120:24:15

try to increase that number?

0:24:150:24:16

I think, to be perfectly

honest, I don't

0:24:160:24:18

think it has been on the

government's agenda at all.

0:24:180:24:20

I don't think it is

something that anybody

0:24:200:24:24

has really looked at,

you know, there have

0:24:240:24:28

been a lot of angst,

a lot of discussions around this,

0:24:280:24:31

a lot of people have tried

to do their own little bit but it

0:24:310:24:34

hasn't been coordinated

and it hasn't had

0:24:340:24:36

leadership or direction from the

government.

0:24:360:24:38

And that is what you're

hoping for now?

0:24:380:24:40

Yes.

0:24:400:24:41

The task force will

recommend improving pay and

0:24:410:24:42

working conditions.

0:24:420:24:44

And they want a national

campaign to promote mixed

0:24:440:24:46

gender teams.

0:24:460:24:47

It will suggest improved

careers advice and training

0:24:470:24:49

for men,

0:24:490:24:50

and would like a target set,

up from the current 2%.

0:24:500:24:52

And crucially suggests

Ofsted could include

0:24:520:24:54

gender diversity in their

inspection criteria.

0:24:540:25:01

We already know boys are twice

as likely as girls to

0:25:010:25:04

lack basic language skills

by the time they start school.

0:25:040:25:06

And that gap only widens over time.

0:25:060:25:13

So, could men in early

years settings actually

0:25:130:25:15

help make a difference?

0:25:150:25:16

# When I come to nursery

hear me shout

0:25:160:25:18

# Stretch up tall and jump about!

#

0:25:180:25:21

Come on, then, back to our story.

0:25:210:25:26

So, this school in London

has spent the last

0:25:260:25:28

ten years ensuring male and female

teachers spend equal time with

0:25:280:25:31

their pupils.

0:25:310:25:33

And they say the results as those

pupils progress through the school

0:25:330:25:36

speak for themselves.

0:25:360:25:42

So, we put people where their best

skills are, we're good

0:25:420:25:50

at picking up teacher training,

when we spot a talent.

0:25:500:25:54

We have seen

men who have a particular bent

0:25:540:25:56

for teaching early years children,

and we encourage them

0:25:560:25:59

by giving them

opportunities to work and develop

0:25:590:26:00

their careers in the early years.

0:26:000:26:02

Tell me about the research you been

doing at the school and the effect

0:26:020:26:05

it has been having

on the children here

0:26:050:26:08

The aim was always to narrow

the gap between girls' and

0:26:080:26:11

boys' attainment.

0:26:110:26:14

The attainment in the school over

the years has continued

0:26:140:26:16

to rise, ever since we have

been keeping records.

0:26:160:26:18

Part of that is to make sure

the gender difference is

0:26:180:26:21

as narrow as possible,

and a strategy for

0:26:210:26:23

doing that is having a workforce

where the teaching methods

0:26:230:26:27

we use on the children are things

that boys in particular would

0:26:270:26:32

respond to, as well as the girls.

0:26:320:26:36

Our girls do extremely well, but so

do our boys, that's the point.

0:26:360:26:39

Why do you think

it is important that

0:26:390:26:41

the number of men in early years

education has increased?

0:26:410:26:44

They see men as positives,

men reading books,

0:26:440:26:45

men talking about things

and being successful in careers,

0:26:450:26:48

and there has been a tendency

in the past for most

0:26:480:26:51

of primary education to be heavily

dominated by women, so it is

0:26:510:26:55

important they see men are nurturing

and not just sort of sporting heroes

0:26:550:26:58

or adventurous people.

0:26:580:27:02

In Bradford, 7% of nursery

teachers employed by

0:27:020:27:04

the council are male.

0:27:040:27:06

That's about two and a half times

the national average.

0:27:060:27:12

Some nurseries there encourage dads

to run reading groups.

0:27:120:27:15

They say it's not only good

for the kids but it's a great

0:27:150:27:19

pipeline for more men

to join the profession.

0:27:190:27:22

Bilal is one of the men working

in Bradford's nurseries.

0:27:220:27:26

He helped engage this man,

whose children attend the nursery,

0:27:260:27:29

and is now training to become

an early years teacher.

0:27:290:27:32

We do a lot of sessions that

are particularly designed for dads.

0:27:320:27:36

We want them to be integrated

with the rest of the nursery, so

0:27:360:27:41

how we do that is by the male

practitioners and even the female

0:27:410:27:44

practitioners making a conscious

effort, you know, trying

0:27:440:27:46

to get the dads involved,

talking to them, engaging with them

0:27:460:27:50

in conversations,

meaningful conversations.

0:27:500:27:58

So you about to start training

to become a practitioner.

0:27:580:28:01

Tell us what your journey was.

0:28:010:28:02

My daughter used to come

to this nursery, Saint

0:28:020:28:04

Edmunds.

0:28:040:28:05

When I saw Bilal here, he was young

and doing something about

0:28:050:28:08

it and dealing with kids,

and I thought to myself,

0:28:080:28:11

I have never seen anyone doing this,

and this

0:28:110:28:13

basically touched me in terms

of that I could think

0:28:130:28:18

about coming to the sector.

0:28:180:28:21

I have got more into it and been

doing voluntary work with

0:28:210:28:23

Saint Edmunds and came up

with the idea that this

0:28:230:28:26

is something I can do.

0:28:260:28:27

It is often said there is a stigma

around men coming into this role.

0:28:270:28:32

How important was it for you to have

someone like Bilal as a role model?

0:28:320:28:36

To be honest, I would say

he was the one that when I looked at

0:28:360:28:39

him as a young person, he was

passionate about his work because I

0:28:390:28:42

have seen him working.

0:28:420:28:44

He used to be a key worker

with my daughter, and I

0:28:440:28:46

thought, OK, if he can

do it, anyone can.

0:28:460:28:54

Research shows that the more dads

are involved with their

0:28:560:28:59

children from an early age, the

better the educational attainment

0:28:590:29:01

levels.

0:29:010:29:02

Do you find that?

0:29:020:29:03

When fathers attend the sessions,

it is not the norm, people tend

0:29:030:29:07

to think my dad is doing this,

they tend to concentrate

0:29:070:29:11

more on what their dad

is helping them do.

0:29:110:29:16

If they are concentrating,

they are picking it up more.

0:29:160:29:22

The dad session used to be small,

but now it is picking up.

0:29:220:29:29

More dads are in these groups.

0:29:290:29:31

Do you think that is

because more dads like Bilal

0:29:310:29:35

are engaged in the sector?

0:29:350:29:36

More dads are now engaged?

0:29:360:29:37

Yes, because of my

personal experience.

0:29:370:29:41

If I had not seen Bilal or any other

male working in the sector,

0:29:410:29:44

I would not even think about coming.

0:29:440:29:49

Despite that figure of 2% not having

changed for almost 20 years,

0:29:490:29:57

thanks to the efforts of people

like Jamal, Bob and Bilal,

0:29:570:30:00

there are pockets across the country

where those numbers are improving.

0:30:000:30:02

And of course, David

and his team want that

0:30:020:30:05

to change across the country.

0:30:050:30:08

We invited the Education Secretary

to come on the programme but instead

0:30:080:30:11

Department for Education gave

us a statement.

0:30:110:30:12

They told us they "want young

children to have both male

0:30:120:30:15

and female role models

in their early years and having

0:30:150:30:18

a diverse range of people working

in childcare has an important part

0:30:180:30:21

to play in this.

0:30:210:30:22

They've set up a group to look

at the number of men working

0:30:220:30:26

in early years in more

depth and to consider

0:30:260:30:30

what more could be done

to encourage men to consider

0:30:300:30:32

this rewarding career.

0:30:320:30:36

If you are a man working in early

years, let me know your experience.

0:30:360:30:40

E-mail us.

0:30:400:30:44

Still to come...

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We'll look back on how he changed

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Britain's most famous scientist

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the age of 76, his fame came from

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0:31:160:31:21

History of Time, outlining his

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0:31:240:31:27

in 1964 and being told he had only a

few years to live.

0:31:270:31:31

Theresa May is expected to announce

sanctions against Russia today

0:31:310:31:33

after the Kremlin failed

to explain their role in a chemical

0:31:330:31:36

attack in Salisbury.

0:31:360:31:37

The Prime Minister will address

Parliament after chairing a meeting

0:31:370:31:40

of the National Security Council.

0:31:400:31:41

Last night, the Russian Embassy

hinted that the expulsion

0:31:410:31:43

of its diplomats from London

would have an impact on their

0:31:430:31:46

British counterparts in Moscow.

0:31:460:31:52

Five councils in England will be

asked to draw up plans to improve

0:31:520:31:55

community cohesion in their areas as

a part of proposals on wider

0:31:550:32:00

integration. In the integrated

amenity green paper, they want to

0:32:000:32:07

promote diversity in schools, and

language tuition for non-English

0:32:070:32:11

speakers.

0:32:110:32:12

Around a third of NHS clinics

and a quarter of private ones

0:32:120:32:15

offering breast implant surgery

in England have not sent any patient

0:32:150:32:17

data to a national safety registry.

0:32:170:32:19

NHS Digital set up the service

in 2016 to safeguard

0:32:190:32:21

patients after the PIP scandal,

when thousands of women

0:32:210:32:23

received faulty implants.

0:32:230:32:26

Women who have had surgery

are now being urged to make

0:32:260:32:28

sure their details are added

to the register.

0:32:280:32:34

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

0:32:340:32:40

Here's some sport now with Hugh.

0:32:400:32:42

Manchester United boss

Jose Mourinho says he doesn't

0:32:420:32:43

want to make a drama

of the Champions League.

0:32:430:32:48

Their last 16 exit at the hands of

Sevilla last night. They were beaten

0:32:480:32:53

2-1 at Old Trafford to miss out on

the quarter finals. After a

0:32:530:32:58

lacklustre display, Jose Mourinho

said he had no regrets.

0:32:580:33:03

Chelsea take a 1-1 draw to Barcelona

for their second leg later.

0:33:030:33:06

Manager Antonio Conte

says his players will have to suffer

0:33:060:33:08

for periods away against the team

top of the Spanish top flight...

0:33:080:33:11

Great Britain's Menna Fitzpatrick

and her guide Jen Kehoe have

0:33:110:33:13

won their third medal

at the Winter Paralympics

0:33:130:33:15

with silver in the women's visually

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0:33:150:33:17

It takes Britain's tally

in Pyeongchang up to 5...

0:33:170:33:22

Buveur D'Air retained his

Champion Hurdle title on the opening

0:33:220:33:25

day of the Cheltenham Festival.

0:33:250:33:26

The 6-4 on favourite ridden

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0:33:260:33:28

Nicky Henderson a seventh victory

in the race.

0:33:280:33:33

That's all of

0:33:330:33:35

the sport for now, more after 10am.

Good morning.

0:33:350:33:41

The government is to spend

50 million pounds trying to create

0:33:410:33:44

more cohesive communities,

especially in five towns and cities

0:33:440:33:46

marked by ethnic and religious

divisions: Bradford,

0:33:460:33:48

Blackburn, Peterborough, Walsall

and Waltham Forest in London.

0:33:480:33:53

There will also be help for people

wanting to improve their spoken

0:33:530:33:55

English and for women wanting

to find jobs.

0:33:550:34:03

Dame Louise Casey

0:34:070:34:09

led the government's review. You

pulled no punches?

I published that

0:34:090:34:16

review at the back end of 2016. I

spent a couple of years, by the time

0:34:160:34:23

we published, looking at some of the

dynamics happening in our

0:34:230:34:26

communities today. I felt, and I

still do, that we are more divided

0:34:260:34:30

than we should be as a nation. That

there are pockets of isolation,

0:34:300:34:34

where it isn't just poverty and

social disadvantage that is going on

0:34:340:34:39

but I would worry about the rights

of women in those sorts of areas as

0:34:390:34:43

well. That isn't just Muslim areas,

there are other significant

0:34:430:34:47

religious minorities that, again,

are not necessarily embracing what I

0:34:470:34:51

would want people to embrace, that

you are equal to a man, or if you

0:34:510:34:57

are gay, you should not be punished,

you should respect differences

0:34:570:35:01

surrounding race and religion. What

I said was that the solution to that

0:35:010:35:07

is obviously things like English

language being a leveller, if

0:35:070:35:10

everybody speaks the same language,

when women suffer domestic violence

0:35:100:35:14

they do not need a man to interpret

for them or to

0:35:140:35:21

for them or to take their son into a

Doctor 's surgery because they do

0:35:220:35:24

not speak enough English. If you do

not have the language, you are not

0:35:240:35:28

equal. Let alone getting a job. I

did focus on issues surrounding

0:35:280:35:32

women.

And you talked about setting

a date by which everyone should be

0:35:320:35:37

speaking English, is that correct?

Did not set that out in the strategy

0:35:370:35:40

but I said we should have an English

language strategy that makes sure. I

0:35:400:35:45

feel like the Moore, a year later,

that actually it would be really

0:35:450:35:50

good if we did something big and

bold around English language.

The

0:35:500:35:55

Communities Secretary himself, Sajid

Javid, he's talking about various

0:35:550:35:59

measures we could take to improve

integration, said on the radio this

0:35:590:36:03

morning that his mother took ten

years to learn English. Is that

0:36:030:36:07

long? -- is that too long?

We had to

remember that the government cut

0:36:070:36:13

significantly, and he is very clear

that they did. He does not pretend

0:36:130:36:16

otherwise. He has been very

straight, over a long period of time

0:36:160:36:21

we cut English language classes and

I think that was a mistake. But I do

0:36:210:36:25

think those English language classes

should be targeted at a working age.

0:36:250:36:29

Women, men, anyone. But working age

people who do not have English,

0:36:290:36:35

personally, I would set a date. It

is or is helpful to say, look, let's

0:36:350:36:40

take five years, let's work through

this. Let's get to a point.

0:36:400:36:44

Governments have done that on other

issues, I don't see why they can't

0:36:440:36:47

in this.

Five years to learn it if

you do not already speak it. Why is

0:36:470:36:54

it important, for example, that

children mix, particularly, in faith

0:36:540:36:58

schools? Not just one faith, in a

lot of faith schools, some children

0:36:580:37:02

can opt out of particular lessons,

like sport come on religious

0:37:020:37:06

grounds?

If it is state schools, I

think, look, we have reached a point

0:37:060:37:12

where actually, doing sport, going

to the theatre, enjoying music. I

0:37:120:37:18

realise it isn't as harmful and

difficult as, say, teaching children

0:37:180:37:24

in segregated environments, telling

them that women are not equal to men

0:37:240:37:27

and their place is in the home, not

work. It is and has harmful as that

0:37:270:37:31

but I would like every child growing

up in this country to experience the

0:37:310:37:35

full country. I'm not going to die

in a ditch over it but I do think it

0:37:350:37:40

is daft. I think it is wrong, it is

common sense. It is also

0:37:400:37:45

caricaturing vast numbers of people

from religious minorities who

0:37:450:37:49

actually really want their children

to enjoy everything. They want their

0:37:490:37:52

children to go to the theatre, to

enjoy everything on offer. We are

0:37:520:37:56

only talking about a minority of

people who do not want to be part of

0:37:560:38:02

that and we should call it out.

And

how do you, we have spoken about

0:38:020:38:07

this every day this week because of

what happened in Telford, and in

0:38:070:38:11

certain grooming abuse scandals,

those in authority have not had the

0:38:110:38:16

confidence to call out, in some

cases, horrific criminal behaviour

0:38:160:38:20

for fear of being accused of being

racist. How do you give people

0:38:200:38:23

confidence to call out, as you put

it, without that worry?

I

0:38:230:38:36

it, without that worry?

I think more

people need to do it and not be

0:38:370:38:38

afraid to do so. That's one of the

reasons why think it is good the

0:38:380:38:41

government has published an

integration strategy. It is good

0:38:410:38:43

that Sajid Javid himself without

today saying that we need to pull

0:38:430:38:45

together. He is talking about his

own experiences. His views on music

0:38:450:38:48

in schools was stronger than mine.

But you cannot say to everybody

0:38:480:38:50

else, it is your responsibility. I

think that government and leaders

0:38:500:38:54

need to take responsibility. When

they don't, bad stuff happens. I

0:38:540:38:57

spent 6-9 months of my life in

Rotherham. I met the women who were

0:38:570:39:02

groomed. There was a dynamic to it

that was about a wrong

0:39:020:39:06

interpretation or a race. It is all

wrong. It brings every single person

0:39:060:39:11

from Pakistani or Muslim heritage

into disrepute. Those men are not

0:39:110:39:16

representative of that community.

But by leaders not calling out, it

0:39:160:39:21

gives the far right grounds to go,

well, look at you, look at you!

0:39:210:39:27

That's what we need to stop, there

is an extreme far right that is not

0:39:270:39:31

mainstream, does not represent

Britain, and it's racist. That is

0:39:310:39:35

not a British tradition or culture.

The same way that we have Islamic

0:39:350:39:40

extremist thoughts, they are not

mainstream either but if we do not

0:39:400:39:43

talk about them, and we do not own

them, we end up in difficult places.

0:39:430:39:47

Thank you very much for coming on

the programme. Dame Louise Casey.

0:39:470:39:51

Your views are welcome of course.

0:39:510:39:55

"There are physicists in a thousand

year's time who will still be

0:39:550:39:58

talking about Hawking" -

that's what Brian Cox has said this

0:39:580:40:04

morning about the legacy

of Professor Stephen Hawking,

0:40:040:40:07

who has died at the age of 76.

0:40:070:40:14

The most-talked about

scientist since Einstein,

0:40:140:40:16

he turned theoretical

0:40:160:40:17

physics into best-selling books,

changed perceptions of people

0:40:170:40:19

with disabilities and made numerous

cameo TV appearances.

0:40:190:40:23

Have a look...

0:40:230:40:31

Theoretical physics is one of the

few fields in which being disabled

0:40:320:40:35

is no handicap. It is all in the

mind.

0:40:350:40:44

I find humour and a few jokes are a

great help in lectures in the

0:40:440:40:51

mysteries of the universe.

I cannot

believe someone I've never heard of

0:40:510:40:54

this hanging out with a guy like me.

It's closing time, who is paying the

0:40:540:40:57

tab...

I am... I didn't say that!

Yes I did... D'oh!

You really didn't

0:40:570:41:13

like our paper?

I liked it very

much. The premise is intriguing.

0:41:130:41:19

Then why are you attacking us?

If

you were sitting in a chair for 40

0:41:190:41:23

years, you would get bored too.

The

quantum fluctuations in the universe

0:41:230:41:30

will not change the cards in your

hand. I call, you are bluffing! And

0:41:300:41:34

you will lose...

Albert!

0:41:340:41:45

you will lose...

Albert!

What if I

reversed the process all the way

0:41:450:41:47

back to see what happened at the

beginning of time itself?

0:41:470:41:53

If Eddie Redmayne won an Oscar for

playing me, it would make up in some

0:41:530:41:56

way for the fact that I am unlikely

to win a Nobel Prize!

0:41:560:42:04

I hope my example will show

disability can be no barrier. One

0:42:140:42:20

can achieve anything, if one is

determined enough.

0:42:200:42:23

Professor Hawkins's children have

paid tribute to their father.

0:42:290:42:34

In a statement, Lucy,

Robert and Tim said:

0:42:340:42:41

Elsewhere, the Prime

Minister has led tributes

0:43:000:43:02

to Professor Hawking.

0:43:020:43:05

Brian Cox said:

0:43:150:43:17

Nasa said:

0:43:320:43:35

The astronaut Chris Hadfield said:

0:43:470:43:53

We have lost a truly beautiful mind,

0:43:530:43:55

an astonishing scientist

and the funniest man I have ever had

0:43:550:43:57

the pleasure to meet.

0:43:570:43:58

And in a statement,

Eddie Redmayne, who won

0:43:580:44:04

an Oscar for his portrayal

of Professor Hawking said: "We have

0:44:040:44:07

lost a truly beautiful mind,

an astonishing scientist

0:44:070:44:09

and the funniest man I have ever had

the pleasure to meet."

0:44:090:44:14

Now, either that was Eddie Redmayne

or Chris Hadfield, unless they have

0:44:140:44:17

both come up with remarkably similar

tributes! I will work that out for

0:44:170:44:21

you in the next hour of the

programme. And your own tributes are

0:44:210:44:25

really welcomed this morning.

0:44:250:44:29

Next...

0:44:290:44:30

The reaction of Russia

to Theresa May's ultimatum

0:44:300:44:32

was probably predictable.

0:44:320:44:33

She'd said she wanted

answers to questions

0:44:330:44:35

about the poisoning by midnight.

0:44:350:44:39

They didn't wait until midnight

before the message came back.

0:44:390:44:43

That they would not be providing any

information about the poisoning in

0:44:430:44:46

such a short space of time and they

would not without being provided

0:44:460:44:52

with a sample. The Russian

ambassador to the EU has made clear

0:44:520:44:56

that the issuing of the deadline did

not go down well in Moscow.

0:44:560:45:02

Russia is not a country to be spoken

to in the language of ultimatums.

It

0:45:020:45:10

is high time that the United Kingdom

learned that.

0:45:100:45:16

learned that.

Now the ball is in

Theresa May's court as she meets her

0:45:190:45:23

National Security Council to decide

how to respond.

0:45:230:45:29

We can speak now to

Professor Robert Service -

0:45:290:45:32

he was an expert witness

during the Alexander Litvinenko

0:45:320:45:34

inquiry and is a Russian

historian, to Mary Dejevsky -

0:45:340:45:37

Former Moscow Correspondent

for The Times and to Anna Belkina -

0:45:370:45:39

Deputy Editor in Chief

of the Russian State

0:45:390:45:41

Broadcaster, RT.

0:45:410:45:42

Thank you all of you for talking to

us. Mary, what happens now?

Well,

0:45:420:45:49

this is a big question. I think it

was totally unrealistic of Theresa

0:45:490:45:54

May actually to set a 36 hour

deadline. Not because fullness of

0:45:540:46:00

things 36 hours is unreasonable, but

because it's unreasonable in the

0:46:000:46:04

Kremlin's timescale. Whatever the

subject was, they are not going to

0:46:040:46:10

respond to anything within 36 hours

and it's particularly bad week for

0:46:100:46:14

the Kremlin in terms of deadlines

because you've got a brother until

0:46:140:46:17

election on Sunday and although we

may say, well, it's not a proper

0:46:170:46:23

election, Vladimir Putin is bound to

be re-elected, nonetheless, that is

0:46:230:46:27

what is at the forefront of the

Kremlin's attention right now, not

0:46:270:46:31

what happened in a provincial

British city ten days ago. So, what

0:46:310:46:36

I actually think is that far from...

Russia has, if you like, flouted the

0:46:360:46:45

deadline, but what it hasn't done,

which is interesting to me, it has

0:46:450:46:50

not refused to engage with the

request. It's basically throwing it

0:46:500:46:52

back to the UK and said, well, you

are accusing us of a chemical

0:46:520:46:58

weapons violation, you are signed up

to the convention, as we are, so

0:46:580:47:02

abide by the terms of it, and that

means providing the evidence and it

0:47:020:47:07

means a ten day wait, a 10-day

period of grace for Russia to

0:47:070:47:13

respond. And I think that is a real

response and something that the

0:47:130:47:17

British really have to take into

account.

Robert, what do you think

0:47:170:47:23

will happen now? Theresa May has to

do something, doesn't she?

She has

0:47:230:47:27

to do something but she has to give

the Russians time, as Mary has just

0:47:270:47:35

been saying.

There will not be more

time now. The deadline has passed.

0:47:350:47:40

That was the time. It was a

unilateral deadline. It is

0:47:400:47:45

understandable the British want a

response, but was it seriously

0:47:450:47:51

expecting the Russians to...

Do you

think she will now find some wriggle

0:47:510:47:55

room to give them more time or will

this mean the expulsion of

0:47:550:47:58

diplomats, clamping down on Russian

money in London?

I think what has to

0:47:580:48:06

happen is that the British

government has to come clean with

0:48:060:48:10

the British Society as to what, in

broad terms, it knows about what

0:48:100:48:20

happened.

Why does it need to do

that before they can do something?

0:48:200:48:26

Because we are not children. The

British government the last time

0:48:260:48:30

around with Alexander Litvinenko

setup an enquiry which said that on

0:48:300:48:36

the balance of probability,

Litvinenko was killed on the orders

0:48:360:48:42

of Vladimir Putin. But that was it,

there was no further information

0:48:420:48:46

given, and this isn't a way that it

is sensible to treat the British

0:48:460:48:53

Society and it is not a way to get

credit with the Russian society. So

0:48:530:48:57

I think we need a broader scope for

information and not to treat

0:48:570:49:09

everything in this highly secretive

way. It just doesn't work with

0:49:090:49:12

Russians.

Let me bring in Anna if I

may, deputy editor in chief of

0:49:120:49:18

Russia today, the Russian state

broadcaster. What do you think will

0:49:180:49:25

happen now?

Well, in terms of the

position of our channel and our

0:49:250:49:32

position in the UK, we are still

remaining hopeful there will not be

0:49:320:49:38

impacted. We have been operating as

a good-faith broadcaster, abiding by

0:49:380:49:43

the terms of the regulator within

the country, and covering vital

0:49:430:49:49

stories, important stories. Some

people may not like our editorial

0:49:490:49:53

line, but we have been a very

important voice in the UK editorial

0:49:530:50:00

landscape and we have even had

politicians coming onto our Channel

0:50:000:50:05

4 years as a way to reach their own

constituencies. So it has been

0:50:050:50:08

really disappointing to see that RTE

was kind of mixed up into this

0:50:080:50:15

conversation of state affairs and

used almost as something to be

0:50:150:50:19

sacrificed in this political game.

It is very easy to score PR points

0:50:190:50:27

right now, but I think it is

absolutely wrong to attack RT. It

0:50:270:50:31

also goes contrary to the principles

of freedom of speech and freedom of

0:50:310:50:34

the media.

Sorry to interrupt but do

you trust that if you end up being

0:50:340:50:40

taken off air, if you lose your

license, it will be because you are

0:50:400:50:44

not abiding by Ofcom rules? That you

are not truly independent?

This is

0:50:440:50:50

the crux of the problem. Ofcom right

now is reviewing our state is not

0:50:500:50:56

based on any of the rules that we

have broken, and in fact there have

0:50:560:51:01

been no statement as such, but has

referenced particularly the

0:51:010:51:07

political statements made regarding

our situation, mainly by prime

0:51:070:51:11

ministers Theresa May. And that is

what is really troubling. RT has

0:51:110:51:17

record with Ofcom that is better

than many other UK broadcasters and

0:51:170:51:22

until the statements made this week,

our broadcast this week has been the

0:51:220:51:26

same as it was before, so we would

like to be judged on the merit of

0:51:260:51:31

our output, not because of the

political situation that has

0:51:310:51:35

developed.

If/ when Britain make the

decision to punish Russia in some

0:51:350:51:46

way, then they will retaliate.

How?

I would assume they would start with

0:51:460:51:51

expelling diplomats who are working

undercover at the Russian Embassy,

0:51:510:51:57

so intelligence officers. And that

writes a quid pro quo response

0:51:570:52:01

immediately that we lose our people

in a similar status in Russia,

0:52:010:52:07

depriving us of a Channel for

information. If we impose further

0:52:070:52:11

economic sanctions, it's actually

very difficult to see where those

0:52:110:52:15

go, because there are already

economic sanctions because of

0:52:150:52:19

Crimea. They haven't the slightest

effect on Russia except to improve

0:52:190:52:23

its agriculture sector.

What we

don't have in financial situations

0:52:230:52:28

is a stop on Russian money in

London, some of which critics say is

0:52:280:52:34

laundered. We haven't done anything

about that yet? And you know way

0:52:340:52:38

more than me but people said, that

is the waiter had Vladimir Putin.

It

0:52:380:52:43

is the way the herd Vladimir Putin

we should have done more for many

0:52:430:52:48

years than we have done -- it is the

way to hurt Vladimir Putin. We

0:52:480:52:56

thought we had an advantage of

Russian capital being invested here.

0:52:560:52:59

One thing I think would have an

effect is to ban RT. We should laugh

0:52:590:53:08

at RT. It is a terrible TV animal.

The best way to treat it is to

0:53:080:53:13

ridicule it and British people who

go on to it should be made to feel

0:53:130:53:16

ashamed.

OK, well I am obviously

going to ask Anna to respond to

0:53:160:53:22

that. People should laugh at you

rather than take you off air.

It is

0:53:220:53:28

disappointing to hear that and

busily I disagree with that point of

0:53:280:53:31

view entirely. That

0:53:310:53:39

view entirely. That said, I am sure

if RTE was taken -- if RT was taken

0:53:390:53:43

off at, British media operators

within Russia would see a similar

0:53:430:53:50

fate, as has already been indicated

by the Russian government.

OK, thank

0:53:500:53:58

you all very much indeed. We will

bring you the latest news and sport

0:53:580:54:01

at 10am and of course awful weather

forecast just before then.

0:54:010:54:09

forecast just before then. TV

presenter and former strictly come

0:54:090:54:10

dancing head judge Len Goodman wants

to stop the over 60s

0:54:100:54:21

to stop the over 60s falling to --

falling victim to bank scams.

0:54:210:54:26

Specially designed courses

are being offered at branches

0:54:260:54:28

of Santander to try to teach them

what to look out for and stop them

0:54:280:54:31

becoming victims of fraud.

0:54:310:54:32

Len, who is 73, got involved

when his daughter-in law lost

0:54:320:54:35

£16,000 through a cash point scam.

0:54:350:54:36

Good morning.

0:54:360:54:37

How are you? Please tell us what

happened to your daughter-in-law.

0:54:370:54:40

Her scam was slightly different. It

was a phone scam. The phone suddenly

0:54:400:54:45

wouldn't work and what had happened

was

0:54:450:54:51

was somebody had her phone...

Listen, the reason I got involved

0:54:520:54:55

with this is because I am not tech

savvy adult. Somehow, her phone got

0:54:550:55:01

planed and they downloaded all the

information of her phone including

0:55:010:55:07

bank details and Taiwan and the

upshot was she lost £16,000. The

0:55:070:55:12

thing is, this is mainly targeted at

the over 60s, but by

0:55:120:55:19

daughter-in-law, this shows that

anyone... Santander have got this

0:55:190:55:26

scam avoidance school and they

invited me to go along, which I did.

0:55:260:55:31

What did you learn?

I learned so

much.

And what will you do

0:55:310:55:38

differently now?

The thing is, they

tend to try to rush you and us older

0:55:380:55:45

people, we tend to panic and we

don't want anything wrong. If we get

0:55:450:55:48

an e-mail, a phone call and people

are trying to rescue along, don't

0:55:480:55:52

listen. We don't like to be read, we

don't like to switch off the phone.

0:55:520:56:00

If people start to be rushed, you

have got to think, no, something is

0:56:000:56:05

wrong here. You know, don't be

frightened to say, no. And then say,

0:56:050:56:12

well, I want to speak to one of my

family. If they don't want that...

0:56:120:56:17

It is always urgent, you know? What

I like about what Santander have

0:56:170:56:22

done, next week, Monday to Friday,

every Santander branch,

0:56:220:56:29

every Santander branch, all 800 of

them...

Don't mention the bank name

0:56:310:56:36

again. Sorry.

If you pop into any

one of their branches, you can put

0:56:360:56:43

your name down and go on the scam

avoidance scheme. It is totally

0:56:430:56:49

free, it lasts 45 minutes, you don't

necessarily have to be a member of

0:56:490:56:53

that bank. See what I did there? And

although it is mainly aimed at older

0:56:530:57:00

people, anyone can go along. Do you

know, age UK found that over 5

0:57:000:57:07

million over 60 guys feel they have

been targeted.

Have been targeted,

0:57:070:57:14

by scammers? That is an

extraordinary figure, it really is.

0:57:140:57:19

So with all the goodwill in the

world, it was such an eye-opener to

0:57:190:57:24

me, even with your cash machines.

You know, they put hidden cameras in

0:57:240:57:29

there and get your PIN number. The

slot that you put your card and can

0:57:290:57:35

be faked, even the whole front of

the ATM can be false.

I know, it is

0:57:350:57:41

outrageous.

You have got to be aware

of that. Please don't think, it is

0:57:410:57:47

as much for me, I am doing my self a

favour in hopefully helping others,

0:57:470:57:55

so basically, all next week, every

branch, just checking what time and

0:57:550:57:59

date it will be, there were long, if

you can't go along, there are

0:57:590:58:04

leaflets and things to explain all

the points. And it is a serious

0:58:040:58:12

thing done in a very fun way.

There's a quiz, there are jokes.

0:58:120:58:16

It's a good bit of fun and a great

way of hopefully those scammers,

0:58:160:58:22

they target over 60s most of all.

Before you go, please can I ask you

0:58:220:58:31

about Sloan? What did you think --

can I ask you about Strictly? What

0:58:310:58:40

did you think of Shirley?

I thought

she did fantastically. When you step

0:58:400:58:45

into someone's shoes after 12 years,

if the nerve-racking process, but I

0:58:450:58:49

thought you stayed true to herself,

she gave good, constructive

0:58:490:58:54

criticism. I thought she did a

really good job.

She has remained

0:58:540:58:59

really tight-lipped about whether

she will be back for the next

0:58:590:59:02

series. The bookies have stopped

taking money on view coming back.

0:59:020:59:08

Would you come back?

Well, I have

got 50 quid on myself. No, I had a

0:59:080:59:14

wonderful time. I watched it as a

viewer and it was a funny feeling.

0:59:140:59:20

It was the right thing to do. It's a

bit like if you split up with a

0:59:200:59:24

girlfriend. You know you are not

getting on...

But you are still

0:59:240:59:30

doing the American version and

people called you a traitor for

0:59:300:59:33

that.

That gets on my wick,

honestly. It is all to do with your

0:59:330:59:37

contract. The BBC, your contract is

manual. They can check you out, they

0:59:370:59:43

can keep you. America, you are

booked for four in a row. Plus, why

0:59:430:59:48

would I not want to go to Los

Angeles in the middle of the winter?

0:59:480:59:51

As my wife wants to come.

That's a

very good point. Before you go, why

0:59:510:59:59

has Brendan Cole left?

I haven't

spoken to Brendan Cole or Shirley. I

0:59:591:00:07

don't know. He was a really

1:00:071:00:13

don't know. He was a really nice

guy, I phoned up America for him to

1:00:141:00:17

take over as a dancer, I read, but

what it was, because that is

1:00:171:00:23

nonsense, I do not know. In America,

they have a pool of professionals

1:00:231:00:27

and some are not on one season and

then the next season, they come

1:00:271:00:32

back, all you missed two. You know,

it changes it up a bit. Whatever the

1:00:321:00:41

BBC do, God bless them, it is with

the right decision.

Thank you very

1:00:411:00:46

much.

I went to mention Santander.

Oh, you are so naughty. You get away

1:00:461:00:54

with it though. You are so cheeky.

Now, what do you think about looking

1:00:541:01:02

at -- letting a man after your child

at nursery? Coming up in the next

1:01:021:01:06

hour. Right, let's bring you the

webinar.

1:01:061:01:12

Thank you.

Not a bad start for many across the

1:01:121:01:18

day. This is the scene over the

river Tay in Dundee, a lovely

1:01:181:01:21

sunrise. Conditions like that in the

east, but in the West, outbreaks of

1:01:211:01:27

rain and for many in the West,

conditions like this through the

1:01:271:01:29

day. This area of low pressure will

be throwing in areas of rain

1:01:291:01:35

throughout. Strengthening winds,

touching gale force in the West. It

1:01:351:01:40

also drags in milder air across much

of the country. After a chilly start

1:01:401:01:45

in the East, sunshine overhead.

1:01:451:01:50

in the East, sunshine overhead. In

the West, staying with grey

1:01:501:01:52

conditions throughout, and in the

afternoon here, it is going to stay

1:01:521:01:56

not just wet but also windy. In

Devon and all, they could be up to

1:01:561:02:02

25 millimetres or more of rain

across the moors, going through

1:02:021:02:08

tonight, affecting Wales and the

Isle of Man. Wet through the day in

1:02:081:02:14

Northern Ireland, and into Scotland.

Western areas are always windy. A

1:02:141:02:18

breeze in the east. With hazy

sunshine, after subzero temperatures

1:02:181:02:22

in some areas, it could hit 12

degrees in the central belt and

1:02:221:02:26

north of London. Pushing the 60

Fahrenheit mark. Don't get

1:02:261:02:32

complacent, colder weather on the

way. Not tonight, it stays mild

1:02:321:02:36

towards the south and west of the

country. Cloud and rain pushing in

1:02:361:02:40

across Wales, the Midlands and the

south-east towards the end of

1:02:401:02:44

tonight. Chilly across eastern

Scotland and North England. Here, we

1:02:441:02:49

go into tomorrow with some of the

brightest conditions and morning

1:02:491:02:52

sunshine. Some sunshine to start the

day in West England and Wales. Heavy

1:02:521:02:56

and thundery showers pushing in. A

look at the rain. In Northern

1:02:561:03:01

Ireland, the Midlands and the

south-east, turning dry, rain pushes

1:03:011:03:05

into southern England and southern

Scotland through the day. Wintry

1:03:051:03:09

flurries over the hills of Scotland

as well. Tomorrow, 6 degrees in

1:03:091:03:12

Aberdeen

1:03:121:03:17

as well. Tomorrow, 6 degrees in

Aberdeen. Colder air pushes in

1:03:171:03:18

across the North with a greater

chance of snow on the hills.

1:03:181:03:27

I don't have much positive things

to say about Motor Neurone disease

1:03:271:03:30

but it taught me not to pity myself

and to get on with

1:03:301:03:33

what I still could do.

1:03:331:03:34

I'm happier now than I was before

I developed the condition.

1:03:341:03:40

Professor Stephen Hawking -

world-famous for his ground-breaking

1:03:401:03:44

scientific work on black holes

and for re-defining perceptions

1:03:441:03:49

of people with disabilities -

has died at the age of 76.

1:03:491:03:52

We'll be assessing his

impact and legacy.

1:03:521:03:58

The trouble of getting men to work

with kids in nurseries.

1:03:581:04:03

Figures show just 2% of the total

work force over the past 20

1:04:031:04:06

years have been male.

1:04:061:04:07

So why is it happening?

1:04:071:04:08

Some in the industry say

they're being turned

1:04:081:04:10

away because of negative

pre-conceptions.

1:04:101:04:11

Because I was a man, umm... It

wouldn't be appropriate for me to

1:04:111:04:15

work in early years. Basically.

Because of safeguarding concerns,

1:04:151:04:20

they were worried, particularly,

what parents might think and stuff

1:04:201:04:25

like that.

This tweet saying that

all children should be learning from

1:04:251:04:30

both sexes, especially in the early

stages of school life.

1:04:301:04:34

So can -- some kids do not have a

father figure, I'm shocked at the

1:04:341:04:38

prejudice that these men face.

Your experiences are particularly

1:04:381:04:42

welcome.

We will be talking more about that

1:04:421:04:44

in the next hour.

Also...

1:04:441:04:50

The government is spending £50

million to make more cohesive

1:04:501:04:53

communities,

1:04:531:04:53

will it make a difference?

We have members of various different

1:04:531:04:57

communities saying they have

experienced various segregation.

1:04:571:05:03

Good morning.

1:05:031:05:04

Here's Joanna Gosling

in the BBC Newsroom

1:05:041:05:06

with a summary of today's news.

1:05:061:05:08

Britain's most famous scientist,

Professor Stephen Hawking,

1:05:081:05:10

has died at the age of 76.

1:05:101:05:12

Hawking's fame

came largely from his best-selling

1:05:121:05:13

book, "A Brief History of Time"

which outlined his theories

1:05:131:05:16

about the universe.

1:05:161:05:21

He had a brilliant career

despite being diagnosed with motor

1:05:211:05:23

neurone disease in 1964

and being told he had just

1:05:231:05:25

a few years to live.

1:05:251:05:27

Professor Hawkins's children have

paid tribute to their father.

1:05:271:05:31

In a statement, Lucy,

Robert and Tim said: "We are deeply

1:05:311:05:34

saddened that our beloved father

passed away today.

1:05:341:05:36

He was a great scientist

and an extraordinary man whose work

1:05:361:05:38

and legacy will live

on for many years.

1:05:381:05:40

His courage and persistence

with his brilliance and humour

1:05:401:05:42

inspired people across the world.

1:05:421:05:47

He once said, 'It would not be much

of a universe if it wasn't home

1:05:471:05:50

to the people you love'.

1:05:501:05:52

We will miss him forever."

1:05:521:05:57

Moscow has warned it will respond to

any measures imposed by the British

1:05:571:06:01

government after a Soviet nerve

agent was used in Salisbury. The

1:06:011:06:05

Kremlin has insisted that it is in

no way connected to the poisoning of

1:06:051:06:09

a former Russian double agent Sergei

Skripal and his daughter. Theresa

1:06:091:06:14

May is expected to announce a

response today after chairing a

1:06:141:06:17

meeting at the National Security

Council.

1:06:171:06:18

The Outgoing US Secretary of State,

Rex Tillerson, who was fired

1:06:181:06:21

by President Donald Trump yesterday,

has described the poisoning

1:06:211:06:23

as a "really egregious act...

1:06:231:06:25

That "clearly came from Russia"

and there should be

1:06:251:06:27

"serious consequences".

1:06:271:06:31

Much work remains to respond

to the troubling behaviour

1:06:311:06:33

and actions on the part

of the Russian government.

1:06:331:06:38

Russia must assess carefully

as to how its actions

1:06:381:06:40

are in the best interest

of the Russian people,

1:06:401:06:42

and of the world more broadly.

1:06:421:06:44

Continuing on their current

trajectory is likely to lead

1:06:441:06:46

to greater isolation on their part.

1:06:461:06:50

A situation which is not

in any one's interest.

1:06:501:06:57

Five councils in England will be

asked to draw up plans to improve

1:06:571:07:02

community cohesion in their areas as

part of wider proposals on

1:07:021:07:06

integration. Other proposals

outlined in the government's

1:07:061:07:09

integrated communities strategy

green paper included teaching

1:07:091:07:12

British values in schools, promoting

the English language and for

1:07:121:07:16

councils to provide language tuition

to non-English speakers.

1:07:161:07:19

Women who have had breast implant

surgery are being urged to make

1:07:191:07:22

sure their details are registered.

1:07:221:07:23

Around a third of NHS clinics

and a quarter of private ones

1:07:231:07:26

offering the surgery in England have

not sent any patient data

1:07:261:07:29

to a national safety registry.

1:07:291:07:31

NHS Digital set up the service

in 2016 to safeguard

1:07:311:07:33

patients after the PIP.

1:07:331:07:40

scandal, when thousands of women

received faulty implants.

1:07:401:07:48

The University of Mosul, in Iraq -

which was left in ruins

1:07:521:07:55

by Islamic State militants -

is to begin re-stocking its library,

1:07:551:07:58

with new books donated from the UK.

1:07:581:08:00

It's believed that well over 100,000

manuscripts were destroyed

1:08:001:08:02

or looted during the IS occupation.

1:08:021:08:03

A lecturer told the BBC

he was so happy when the books

1:08:031:08:06

arrived from Britain, he danced.

1:08:061:08:07

That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10.30.

1:08:071:08:10

Joanna, thank you. Thank you for

your messages about Professor Steven

1:08:101:08:13

Hawking. Colin says a truly inspired

man.

1:08:131:08:20

A great ambassador for Britain and

his legacy will be far more than

1:08:201:08:24

simply academic. Simon said that

this man inspired him to go into

1:08:241:08:28

physics and into always wanting to

be more and never giving up. He was

1:08:281:08:33

a truly inspiring individual who

will be sadly missed. Never let

1:08:331:08:36

down, always looked to the stars. --

never look down.

1:08:361:08:41

Colin on Facebook says that he is

disabled with MS, he has a similar

1:08:411:08:48

attitude to his disability.

He does not garner sympathy and he

1:08:481:08:51

hates it when people pity him feel

sorry for him. It rather they have

1:08:511:08:55

compassion and understanding. I do

not mind if someone asks me about my

1:08:551:09:00

MS, I keep active. Last year I had

two-week holiday in Cyprus on my

1:09:001:09:05

own. I don't think much about the

future at all, live for the moment.

1:09:051:09:09

And one more, this text says that

they were a hairdresser in Cambridge

1:09:091:09:14

and the use to cut his hair. A

wonderful and generous man, an

1:09:141:09:18

honour and a privilege to have spent

time with him. Thank you to the BBC

1:09:181:09:22

for all of the tributes to such a

great man.

1:09:221:09:24

Thank you for those, keep them

coming in. Use the hashtag, you can

1:09:241:09:27

text, WhatsApp or use Facebook.

1:09:271:09:31

Here's some sport now with Hugh.

1:09:311:09:36

Manchester United manager

Jose Mourinho says he "doesn't

1:09:361:09:38

want to make a drama"

of their Champions League last 16

1:09:381:09:41

tie with Spanish side Sevilla...

1:09:411:09:42

The first leg finished goalless

in Spain, and Sevilla took control

1:09:421:09:45

by scoring a crucial away goal

with less than 20 minutes left.

1:09:451:09:52

The Spanish side put things to bed

1:09:521:09:54

with a second soon afterwards,

Wissam Ben Yedder's second.

1:09:541:09:56

Manchester United fans won't be too

pleased with Mourinho's view

1:09:561:10:02

that the 2-1 defeat's "not

the end of the world."

1:10:021:10:04

I sit in this chair twice

in the Champions League and I have

1:10:041:10:09

knocked out Man United

at home at Old Trafford.

1:10:091:10:11

I sit in this chair

with Porto, Man United out.

1:10:111:10:14

I sit in this chair

with Real Madrid, Man United out.

1:10:141:10:17

So I don't think it's

something new for the club.

1:10:171:10:22

And of course, being

Manchester United manager and losing

1:10:221:10:24

a Champions League tie,

at home, is a delusion, obviously.

1:10:241:10:32

Well, Spurs and United are out -

but can Chelsea make it three

1:10:371:10:41

English sides in the last eight?

1:10:411:10:43

Manager Antonio Conte says

there will be moments his team 'has

1:10:431:10:45

to suffer' as they visit

Lionel Messi and the Spanish league

1:10:451:10:48

leaders Barcelona at the Nou Camp.

1:10:481:10:49

It's finished 1-1 in the first leg.

1:10:491:10:52

Every single player wants

to play this type of game

1:10:521:10:54

against Barcelona at the Nou Camp.

1:10:541:10:56

You must be excited.

1:10:561:11:00

A lot of my players have never

played in this stadium,

1:11:001:11:02

at the Nou Camp, but this

is the first time and we want

1:11:021:11:06

to try to do our best.

1:11:061:11:14

More good news for Great Britain at

the Paralympics.

1:11:141:11:18

There's been another medal

for Great Britain at the Winter

1:11:181:11:20

paralympics in Pyeongchang.

1:11:201:11:22

Kate Grey has the details.

1:11:221:11:24

If you have been watching the

Paralympic Games over the last few

1:11:241:11:27

days, you know the names well, Menna

Fitzpatrick and her guide, Jen

1:11:271:11:31

Kehoe, have got their third medal of

the games, to add to the silver and

1:11:311:11:35

bronze that they won earlier this

week.

This time it was a silver

1:11:351:11:39

medal in the giant slalom. They get

two runs down the giant slalom

1:11:391:11:44

course and in the first run, they

managed to finish in second place as

1:11:441:11:49

they move into the second run, they

managed to maintain a silver medal

1:11:491:11:54

position, just behind Slovakian

Henrieta Farkasova, who has

1:11:541:11:58

dominated the class from day one

here in Pyeongchang. The British

1:11:581:12:02

pair managed to safely negotiate

their way around the winding course.

1:12:021:12:06

They were over the moon when they

got to the end of their race.

1:12:061:12:09

Clearly thriving in this Paralympic

environment. This is their first

1:12:091:12:13

games, a brilliant achievement for

them and hopefully much more to

1:12:131:12:16

come.

1:12:161:12:18

Despite wet ground underfoot the sun

was shining on the opening day

1:12:181:12:21

of the Cheltenhamn Festival

as Buveur D'Air took

1:12:211:12:23

the big race on day one...

1:12:231:12:25

The odds-on favourite -

under jockey Barry Geraghty -

1:12:251:12:27

was pushed all the way

in the Champion Hurdle...

1:12:271:12:29

By the seven to one shot

Melon, winning by barely

1:12:291:12:32

a neck on the line.

1:12:321:12:34

It means Buveaur D'Air

retains his title and gives trainer

1:12:341:12:36

Nicky Henderson his seventh winner

in the race.

1:12:361:12:40

The Queen Mother Champion Chase

is the feature race today...

1:12:401:12:42

Coverage on Radio 5live from 1pm.

1:12:421:12:50

Good morning. A brilliant and

extraordinary mind, one of the great

1:12:501:12:55

scientists of his generation. Just

one of thousands of tributes to

1:12:551:12:58

Professor Steven Hawking, who has

died at the age of 76. The most

1:12:581:13:03

talked about scientist since

Einstein, he turned theoretical

1:13:031:13:07

physics bestselling books, and

changed perceptions of with

1:13:071:13:10

disabilities and made quite a few

cameo TV appearances.

1:13:101:13:18

The British astronaut Tim Peake

is among those who have paid tribute

1:13:181:13:20

to Professor Hawking.

1:13:201:13:24

He said...

1:13:241:13:35

The Stargazing Live presenter Dara

O'Briain said;...

1:13:411:13:48

And Nasa said...

1:14:021:14:04

Joining me from our Oxford Studio

is Professor Chris Lintott,

1:14:171:14:20

who presents BBC Four's

The Sky At Night and is

1:14:201:14:22

a professor of astrophysics

at Oxford University.

1:14:221:14:28

And Chris James is the Director

of External Affairs at the Motor

1:14:281:14:31

Neurone Disease Association -

he joins us via webcam

1:14:311:14:33

from North London.

1:14:331:14:36

And we're also joined by professor

of Extragalactic Astronomy

1:14:361:14:38

and head of physics

at Bath University Carol Mundell -

1:14:381:14:42

speaking to us on webcam from Bath.

1:14:421:14:42

Welcome to all of you, thank you for

coming on the programme. Chris, how

1:14:421:14:45

would you assess what this man

achieved?

Well, you have mentioned

1:14:451:14:49

his work as a communicator. That was

hugely important but even without

1:14:491:14:52

that he was one of the greats of

20th-century physics. He told us for

1:14:521:14:57

the first time with others that the

Big Bang was a real thing. That it

1:14:571:15:03

allowed the universe to start in

this hot and dense state, allowed by

1:15:031:15:08

Einstein's equations. He went on to

explain a lot of the formula that

1:15:081:15:12

surrounded black holes, the most

mysterious objects in the universe.

1:15:121:15:16

There are armies of people today

following up on his insights that he

1:15:161:15:20

gave us over many decades of

productive physics.

And Carol, what

1:15:201:15:24

would you draw from what he

achieved?

For me, it is the

1:15:241:15:30

immensity of the theoretical physics

and cosmology, the breadth of the

1:15:301:15:33

problems he worked on. As Chris

said, these theoretical predictions,

1:15:331:15:37

many of us will be designing

experiments for generations to come

1:15:371:15:41

to test. For me, working at the

forefront of general relativity,

1:15:411:15:46

physics on the largest scale,

governed by gravity, combining

1:15:461:15:51

physics and the tiniest scale with

quantum mechanics come he was

1:15:511:15:55

pioneering in working with these new

theories and quantum gravity. We

1:15:551:15:58

don't yet have a complete theory of

quantum gravity. I think of him as

1:15:581:16:04

an Einstein of our time, really.

I'm

getting messages from people like

1:16:041:16:08

Simon, for example. Saying that they

were inspired to go into physics

1:16:081:16:14

because of him?

It wasn't just the

immensity of the physics that he was

1:16:141:16:19

thinking about in how he approached

his problems. Mathematically he was

1:16:191:16:22

very gifted but he was able to be

very creative and think differently

1:16:221:16:26

about the universe. Turning that

into a serial hypothesis. He was

1:16:261:16:32

able to communicate the wonder of

the universe, where he said do not

1:16:321:16:35

look down at your feet, remember to

look up at the stars. For me, he was

1:16:351:16:43

a scientist. We don't talk about a

disabled scientist or his

1:16:431:16:47

disability, because it was not a

disability. He was an eminent

1:16:471:16:50

physicist. We were all rather in awe

of him. He had incredible wit, and

1:16:501:16:57

he was quite miss GB is with his

wit. He was keen to travel into

1:16:571:17:02

space as well and think about the

future of humankind. He used to

1:17:021:17:06

mention that the fact that humans

were made of star stuff, and

1:17:061:17:11

connected with the universe. But

also our place on our planet, caring

1:17:111:17:15

for it and thinking of the dangers

of artificial intelligence. He was a

1:17:151:17:19

great mind far in and beyond

physics.

Chris James, from the motor

1:17:191:17:24

neurone disease Association, what

did you think of his approach to his

1:17:241:17:29

illness?

He really was quite an

extraordinary man. It is a sad day,

1:17:291:17:33

he really wasn't defined by his

motor neurone disease. He caught it

1:17:331:17:38

at a very early stage in his life.

He overcame many of the challenges

1:17:381:17:42

that he faced. He understood that

when he was diagnosed, he only had a

1:17:421:17:54

few used to live, he was told. Some

people with it die with thin two

1:17:541:18:01

years of diagnosis. But he was a

brilliant man and a brilliant

1:18:011:18:06

physicist. He did a tremendous

amount to raise awareness of MND and

1:18:061:18:10

to support the association.

Am

getting messages from people with

1:18:101:18:16

disabilities, who said that his

approach inspired the way that they

1:18:161:18:20

concentrated on what they could do

their own what they couldn't do?

He

1:18:201:18:26

was very much like that, encouraging

people to live their lives, and not

1:18:261:18:30

be defined by their disease and to

really try and achieve as much as

1:18:301:18:36

they possibly could.

And Chris,

something that Brian Cox said this

1:18:361:18:40

morning that sticks in my head. In

thousands of years, when we are long

1:18:401:18:44

gone, people will still be talking

about Professor Steven Hawking.

At

1:18:441:18:52

arguing about his ideas, how he

would have wanted it! He was

1:18:521:18:57

brilliant at making connections,

that is why his physics communicates

1:18:571:19:00

to physicists. He has these great

series, showing that they were

1:19:001:19:04

connected at a deep level. That is

what he was doing in his

1:19:041:19:08

communication as well. Taking very

abstract and theoretical work that

1:19:081:19:11

he was doing and connecting it to

everyday life. To the kinds of

1:19:111:19:17

thoughts that we all, as humans,

have as well as physicists. I think

1:19:171:19:21

the greatness of his mind was in

making those leaps and allowing the

1:19:211:19:25

rest of us to follow along the

bridges that he set out for us. It

1:19:251:19:30

is amazing to see the connections

between this two house and see that

1:19:301:19:33

he was doing the same thing

throughout.

Thank you all, we really

1:19:331:19:38

appreciate your time.

1:19:381:19:42

Still to come...

1:19:421:19:43

What can be done to help Muslim

communities integrate better

1:19:431:19:46

into British society?

1:19:461:19:47

Community leaders share their views

on a plan to help address

1:19:471:19:49

If your child is under 5 -

the chances of a man

1:19:511:19:54

teaching them is very slim.

1:19:541:19:55

The numbers of men working as early

years teachers has always been low.

1:19:551:20:02

In fact, for the past 20 years,

it's been around 2 per cent

1:20:021:20:05

of the total workforce

in the sector.

1:20:051:20:07

There are currently around 25,000

job vacancies and the Government has

1:20:071:20:09

recognised how important men

in early years can be

1:20:091:20:11

to the children they teach.

1:20:111:20:19

Efforts have been made by small

groups across the country

1:20:201:20:22

to increase those numbers,

and we've been given exclusive

1:20:221:20:25

access to proposals being drawn up

to advise the Government about how

1:20:251:20:27

they can help.

1:20:271:20:32

Chris Hemmings reports.

1:20:321:20:37

Jamal Campbell is a rarity.

1:20:371:20:38

He's a member of the London

early years foundation,

1:20:381:20:41

and part of the just 2%

of the teaching bid teachers

1:20:411:20:43

under five who are male.

1:20:431:20:44

He started teaching 16 years ago,

and is still frustrated by how

1:20:441:20:47

little status is given to his job.

1:20:471:20:50

We deserve more.

1:20:501:20:54

We deserve more because it is such

an important profession, you know,

1:20:541:21:02

we spend more time with their

children than they do.

1:21:031:21:05

And we're helping them

so when they go to primary school,

1:21:051:21:08

when they go to secondary school,

they've got the tools.

1:21:081:21:16

Yes, there is a lot of stigma based

on negative stories that are out

1:21:221:21:25

there about men in childcare,

you know, and just children

1:21:251:21:28

being at risk, men not

being able to be nurturing,

1:21:281:21:30

men not being able to work

with children so small.

1:21:301:21:38

James is just 23 years old,

and in January this year,

1:21:501:21:52

parents had him removed from a class

on the first day

1:21:521:21:55

of his very first job.

1:21:551:21:58

Because I was a man,

1:21:581:22:00

it wouldn't be appropriate for me

to work in early years, basically

1:22:001:22:02

because of safeguarding concerns,

they were worried particularly

1:22:021:22:04

what the parents might think

and stuff like that.

1:22:041:22:11

I was obviously shocked

as you might expect,

1:22:111:22:13

but also I had heard stories

and rumours that this was the kind

1:22:131:22:16

of thing you could kind of expect.

1:22:161:22:24

As part of that early years

strategy, the government

1:22:281:22:30

set up a task force.

1:22:301:22:31

Its aim was to advise them on how

to improve gender diversity.

1:22:311:22:34

It is chaired by David Wright,

he runs Paint Box nurseries

1:22:341:22:37

in Southampton, and has helped set

up a network of men in early

1:22:371:22:40

years across the UK.

1:22:401:22:41

We do have a problem

attracting good staff,

1:22:411:22:43

and 50% of the population

are excluded from that

1:22:431:22:45

because they are not

interested, they don't know

1:22:451:22:47

that they are welcome and there

is a career for them they are.

1:22:471:22:50

Because it is mostly

female staff working here,

1:22:501:22:52

they do act in some sense

as gatekeepers, and I think

1:22:521:22:55

there is the whole issue

1:22:551:22:56

around your sense of masculinity -

what do you tell your friends down

1:22:561:22:59

the pub that you're doing?

1:22:591:23:07

Despite that figure of 2% not having

changed almost 20 years, there are

1:23:221:23:28

pockets across the country where

those are improving and David and

1:23:281:23:32

his team want that to improve across

the country.

1:23:321:23:39

Let's talk to David Wright -

he runs Paintpot Nurseries

1:23:391:23:41

in Southampton and is Chair

of the Government's Taskforce

1:23:411:23:44

on increasing the number

of men in early years.

1:23:441:23:46

June O'Sullivan's from

the London Early Years

1:23:461:23:47

Foundation, who are today

launching their strategy

1:23:471:23:49

for increasing men in early years.

1:23:491:23:51

Shaddai Tembo is Head of the Bristol

Men in Early Years Network

1:23:511:23:53

and Imran Hafeez is from

the National Literacy Trust

1:23:531:23:57

in Bradford and works to encourage

more men to get involved

1:23:571:24:00

with the early years sector.

1:24:001:24:03

Welcome, all of you. I start with

this message from Simon. I started

1:24:031:24:07

my career as a nursery nurse/

teaching assistant when I was 16. I

1:24:071:24:12

am now 33 and I am in early years

teacher. So much has changed. I

1:24:121:24:21

remember a comment from a teacher

saying I must be a paedophile to

1:24:211:24:24

want to work with young children. At

the time, this mortified me and made

1:24:241:24:28

me question my choice. However, I

realised this was the very reason I

1:24:281:24:34

needed to carry on, to challenge

these damaging perceptions and to

1:24:341:24:38

encourage other men to consider this

career. Let's cut to the chase, this

1:24:381:24:43

is one of the issues that puts

people off?

Absolutely. There is

1:24:431:24:47

still a massive stereotype of men

working in early years and it's been

1:24:471:24:50

that way for a long time and is

still the case now, which is why we

1:24:501:24:54

are here today to promote the

message that men working in early

1:24:541:24:58

years is a good thing for boys and

girls, to promote equality in wider

1:24:581:25:03

society.

How do we overturn that

worried for some parents, that

1:25:031:25:09

misconception from some parents,

that prejudice from some parents?

I

1:25:091:25:14

suppose it is down to the

representation that we have now in

1:25:141:25:17

early years settings and education

settings, for that to represent

1:25:171:25:20

society as a whole so that when we

go into early years settings that

1:25:201:25:25

Mono gendered monocultural, it is

not representative of society. There

1:25:251:25:32

has been a space for the debate to

happen for many years where that has

1:25:321:25:37

been a space for a father to be

involved as well and over that

1:25:371:25:41

change has happened.

You wouldn't

necessarily get the same attitude

1:25:411:25:46

towards male teachers in primary or

secondary schools, would you?

As you

1:25:461:25:53

come down the age groups in terms of

education, you do see more concern

1:25:531:25:58

and people express this as a sense

of fear and a feeling they have that

1:25:581:26:03

it's inappropriate for men to be

involved with children, the younger

1:26:031:26:06

they are, and we do see that in

primary schools. 55% of primary

1:26:061:26:13

schools have no men in them and only

about 14% of the workforce are mild

1:26:131:26:17

air. And most men are often in

leadership roles, not with younger

1:26:171:26:27

age groups.

This is madness. As we

said in the introduction, 25,000

1:26:271:26:34

vacancies?

I know. Eight years ago

we did research and we have only

1:26:341:26:38

slightly improved. We have always

had quite a lot of men in Battersea

1:26:381:26:42

but you need women to support men.

That is the irony. The barrier isn't

1:26:421:26:48

necessarily the men, it's the

women's anxiety about letting men

1:26:481:26:51

into what is often a comfortable

women's zone. Often also head

1:26:511:26:57

teachers like me have to be brave

about supporting men so that when

1:26:571:27:01

parents say things like oh, I don't

want him changing my Child's nappy,

1:27:011:27:08

you as the CEO have got to say, I'm

sorry, we are not putting up extra

1:27:081:27:15

cameras, we have a trusting

relationship with this person and if

1:27:151:27:18

you do not agree with that, you are

in the wrong nursery, I am sorry.

1:27:181:27:23

When I ask the men who work for me,

there are 22 of them, they said they

1:27:231:27:29

want the women to appreciate the

fact that they are part of the game.

1:27:291:27:34

What do you mean?

That you are all

part of the team. Sometimes women

1:27:341:27:40

can be insensitive to that sort of

stuff, so it is quite complex but

1:27:401:27:46

it's quite interesting, actually,

did a different elements and also

1:27:461:27:50

look at children.

That is

fascinating. What difference does it

1:27:501:27:55

make having male teachers, male

nursery workers around toddlers?

I

1:27:551:28:00

guess the end goal for what we're

doing to challenge stereotypes in

1:28:001:28:05

wider society and we know the best

place to do that is in early years.

1:28:051:28:09

With more men in early years, we

increase the diversity of the

1:28:091:28:13

workforce.

But when you are free,

you are not -- when you are three,

1:28:131:28:18

you are not bothered about gender

diversity, are you?

You are not

1:28:181:28:23

looking at it specifically but if

you have a greater diversity of role

1:28:231:28:30

models in early years, that

increases the scope of role models

1:28:301:28:33

and what they can be when they are

older.

What is your view on why it

1:28:331:28:38

is important to toddlers to have men

around when they are little.

They

1:28:381:28:43

are bothered about gender roles in

that they want men to interact with

1:28:431:28:50

at this stage in their life.

Sorry,

let's not get on top on this. They

1:28:501:28:55

are not bothered if it is the man or

woman when they are two or three,

1:28:551:28:58

they just want to play.

We really

need to be looking at their being

1:28:581:29:03

men there for them to play with. All

sorts of men, we don't want to

1:29:031:29:09

stereotype in terms of what we are

offering two children, but also the

1:29:091:29:12

children are not getting the

opportunity to interact with men in

1:29:121:29:16

life, and these formative years were

the children and we need to be

1:29:161:29:21

developing Norman relations for them

with men and women. If we want a

1:29:211:29:27

diverse and inclusive society, then

this is when it starts, in the early

1:29:271:29:31

years. And there is research to say

that men and women interact in

1:29:311:29:35

different ways with children. It is

a question of balance, a question of

1:29:351:29:39

broadening that experience for

children.

Imran, you are reborn a

1:29:391:29:44

nursery teacher yourself and you try

to encourage more men into that

1:29:441:29:48

sector. How do you do that? -- you

are a former nursery teacher

1:29:481:29:52

yourself.

One of the things in

education at the moment is around

1:29:521:30:00

the gender gap in literacy and that

is the focus we have in Bradford

1:30:001:30:05

between girls and boys and the issue

is that it starts at the very early

1:30:051:30:08

age and it relates to how children

are supported at home and actually

1:30:081:30:12

what goes on in the early years

settings. If we can encourage and

1:30:121:30:17

support more role models like we saw

in the film earlier into early

1:30:171:30:23

years, if we can encourage more dads

as well...

How, what do you say? You

1:30:231:30:28

need to be here because, what?

It is

to do with the significance you

1:30:281:30:33

having your child's upbringing and

development and lots of research

1:30:331:30:38

shows that reading is one of the

parent tasks that we do, there is

1:30:381:30:47

research that shows that you as a

dad will have more of an impact with

1:30:471:30:51

your child if you read a book with

them.

I love that. Don't you?

As

1:30:511:30:57

well as the power of dads to see the

power that they carried from a very

1:30:571:31:07

young age...

What did you say?

Bless

all wound. I had a very positive

1:31:071:31:15

upbringing and I am blessed, but for

those who have not had a positive

1:31:151:31:22

upbringing, researchers and family

dynamics will say if there has been

1:31:221:31:27

abuse, for example, that can be

accentuated and seen in

1:31:271:31:30

relationships later on in life as

well. Those messages really resonate

1:31:301:31:34

and if we as professionals in early

years settings ask that question,

1:31:341:31:37

what are we doing about our own

gender stereotypes and how that

1:31:371:31:41

impacts on our service users, then

we begin to look at the timing of

1:31:411:31:45

the sessions that will suit the

needs of the men. Is this particular

1:31:451:31:51

display the right colour?

Really

basic stuff that's worth thinking

1:31:511:31:55

about.

Yes.

June, this strategy you

were working today, how are we going

1:31:551:32:03

to get more men working in the early

years sector?

We need more

1:32:031:32:08

ambassadors. We find it very

interesting that younger boys never

1:32:081:32:11

considered this but when we work

with boys in schools they are

1:32:111:32:14

fascinated by the idea of being a

man in child care about being part

1:32:141:32:19

of the teaching team. They are very

interested in child development and

1:32:191:32:23

I think that is exactly what Imran

is saying is the spin off, because

1:32:231:32:27

the research in literacy in boys is

scary. The more we can do to support

1:32:271:32:32

that by having boys reading, being

part of the experience, having those

1:32:321:32:36

conversations. The other thing is we

need a national debate on this, and

1:32:361:32:41

National advisory board where all

the really interesting things that

1:32:411:32:44

are going on our centralised.

1:32:441:32:51

are going on our centralised. So

there is a point where you can go in

1:32:511:32:53

and buy things out. For example,

when you recruit boys, when you

1:32:531:32:56

advertise to men, you have to use

different language.

Give me an

1:32:561:32:58

example. What words do you use?

We

use more scientific words, like you

1:32:581:33:07

do with dads. Not the soft words

like caring and nurturing, we use

1:33:071:33:13

science and brave words. We also add

them, so when they came for their

1:33:131:33:16

open day, we had a lot of feed and

that was really interesting.

If it

1:33:161:33:21

works, hey!

We pizza and all that

and it did draw a lot more young men

1:33:211:33:28

in.

Anthony has Techfit to say he

thinks it's grossly unfair that

1:33:281:33:34

young men are not considered fit to

teach young children. This will have

1:33:341:33:39

a considerable negative impact when

it comes to teaching and men and

1:33:391:33:43

women. Another one from Simon saying

he taught early years were 26 years,

1:33:431:33:48

rewarding and challenging and I was

lucky enough to work with

1:33:481:33:51

headteachers who valued by passion

and gave me the opportunity to

1:33:511:33:54

develop high quality provision for

children and families. The problem

1:33:541:33:57

with a greeting to this sector is

that there is a lack of

1:33:571:34:02

encouragement to go into early years

education let alone on men. Thank

1:34:021:34:08

you very much all of you. We really

appreciate your time and patience.

1:34:081:34:13

Still to come in the last half an

hour of the programme, the Prime

1:34:131:34:17

Minister is expected to announce her

response to the Salisbury nerve

1:34:171:34:20

agent attack this lunchtime. And we

would talk more about what we can

1:34:201:34:24

expect with Norman

1:34:241:34:25

Smith from Westminster.

1:34:251:34:29

And the student march aimed

at challenging America's

1:34:291:34:31

controversial gun laws.

1:34:311:34:34

Students will leave the classrooms

for 17 minutes to honour the 17

1:34:341:34:38

students killed in the recent

shootings in Florida. We will speak

1:34:381:34:42

to some of those students behind the

movement in the next half an hour.

1:34:421:34:47

Time for the latest news -

here's Joanna Gosling.

1:34:471:34:49

Britain's most famous scientist,

Professor Stephen Hawking,

1:34:491:34:51

has died at the age of 76.

1:34:511:34:57

Hawking's fame came largely

from his best-selling

1:34:571:34:59

book, "A Brief History of Time"

which outlined his theories

1:34:591:35:01

about the universe.

1:35:011:35:02

He had a brilliant career

despite being diagnosed with motor

1:35:021:35:04

neurone disease in 1964

and being told he had just

1:35:041:35:07

a few years to live.

1:35:071:35:14

Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei

Lavrov has accused the British

1:35:141:35:19

government are flagrantly trying to

mislead the international community

1:35:191:35:21

over claims is of year nerve agent

was used in Salisbury. The Kremlin

1:35:211:35:25

has insisted they are way connected

to the poisoning of the former

1:35:251:35:30

Russian double agent Sergei Skripal

and his daughter. Theresa May is to

1:35:301:35:34

respond today after chairing a

meeting of the National Security

1:35:341:35:37

Council.

1:35:371:35:38

Five councils in England will be

asked to draw up plans to improve

1:35:381:35:41

community cohesion in their areas

as part of wider

1:35:411:35:43

proposals on integration.

1:35:431:35:44

Other proposals outlined

in the government's

1:35:441:35:45

Integrated Communities Strategy

green paper include teaching

1:35:451:35:47

British values in schools,

promoting the English language

1:35:471:35:49

and for councils to provide language

tuition to non-English speakers.

1:35:491:35:57

Around a third of NHS clinics

and a quarter of private ones

1:35:571:36:00

offering breast implant surgery

in England have not sent any patient

1:36:001:36:02

data to a national safety registry.

1:36:021:36:04

NHS Digital set up the service

in 2016 to safeguard

1:36:041:36:06

patients after the PIP

1:36:061:36:07

scandal, when thousands of women

received faulty implants.

1:36:071:36:15

Women who have had surgery

are now being urged to make

1:36:161:36:18

sure their details are added

to the register.

1:36:181:36:21

The creators of The Crown have

admitted Claire Foy who portrays

1:36:211:36:24

the Queen was paid less

than her male counterpart.

1:36:241:36:25

Matt Smith's portrayal of a young

Duke of Edinburgh earned him more

1:36:251:36:28

than Foy's Golden Globe-winning

performance as Queen Elizabeth

1:36:281:36:30

in the Netflix drama.

1:36:301:36:37

The show's producers said Smith's

previous starring role

1:36:371:36:39

in Doctor Who meant he was paid more

than his co-star.

1:36:391:36:46

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

1:36:461:36:49

Thank you.

1:36:491:36:50

Here's some sport now with Hugh.

1:36:501:36:57

Manchester United boss Jose Mourinho

says he doesn't want to make a drama

1:36:571:37:01

of the Champions League last 16 exit

at the hands of Sevilla.

1:37:011:37:03

United were beaten 2-1

at Old Trafford to miss out

1:37:031:37:06

on the quarter finals.

1:37:061:37:07

After the lacklustre display,

Mourinho said he had 'no regrets'.

1:37:071:37:15

Chelsea take a 1-1 draw to Barcelona

for their second leg later.

1:37:161:37:18

Manager Antonio Conte

says his players will have to suffer

1:37:181:37:21

for periods away against the team

top of the Spanish top flight.

1:37:211:37:24

Great Britain's Menna Fitzpatrick

and her guide Jen Kehoe have

1:37:241:37:27

won their third medal

at the Winter Paralympics

1:37:271:37:29

with silver in the women's visually

impaired giant slalom.

1:37:291:37:31

It takes Britain's tally

in Pyeongchang up to 5...

1:37:311:37:39

One away from the seven medals that

they targeted. Finally...

1:37:401:37:44

And Buveur D'Air retained his

Champion Hurdle title on the opening

1:37:441:37:47

day of the Cheltenham Festival.

1:37:471:37:48

The '6-4 on' favourite ridden

by Barry Geraghty gave trainer

1:37:481:37:50

Nicky Henderson a seventh victory

in the race.

1:37:501:37:53

That some of the sport now, more

after 11am.

1:37:531:37:58

This lunchtime, the Prime Minister

will set out measures the government

1:37:581:38:01

will take against Russia

because of the nerve agent

1:38:011:38:03

attack in Salisbury.

1:38:031:38:04

In the last 30 minutes, the Russian

Foreign Minister has said that there

1:38:041:38:09

has been no progress in discussions

with Britain about the attack and

1:38:091:38:12

they have claimed the UK is"

flagrantly trying to mislead the

1:38:121:38:23

international community". Norman

Smith is at Westminster. What kinds

1:38:231:38:27

of things will Theresa up with at

lunchtime?

She will be looking at

1:38:271:38:31

whether we kick out a whole load of

Russian diplomats based in London

1:38:311:38:35

who we may suspect of being spies,

for want of a better word. We may

1:38:351:38:39

also look at expanding asset freezes

and travel bans on some of Putin's

1:38:391:38:46

close allies. And possibly saying

officials and dignitaries linked to

1:38:461:38:52

the British double team do not go to

the World Cup. We may press for RT

1:38:521:39:02

and Russia Today to be taken off the

airwaves. That comes with problems.

1:39:021:39:06

There is a lot of unease about the

idea of closing down a Russian

1:39:061:39:11

television station, a lot in

Westminster take the view that is

1:39:111:39:14

not what Western democracy does,

that is the kind of thing

1:39:141:39:18

totalitarian regimes get up to. Real

reluctance to go down that road.

1:39:181:39:23

Similarly, some talk about maybe

just the England football team not

1:39:231:39:27

to go to Russia. I think there is

the view that the only people that

1:39:271:39:31

would hurt would be England football

fans. In terms of asset freezes and

1:39:311:39:34

travel bans, actually, there are a

lot of those up and running already.

1:39:341:39:41

After the Russian invasion of

Crimea, the EU imposed asset freezes

1:39:411:39:47

and travel bans on 149 people linked

to President Putin. It is not

1:39:471:39:53

immediately obvious. There are a

load of other people out there Matt

1:39:531:39:56

McCants that these bans on. The

range of options, when you get down

1:39:561:40:03

to the nitty-gritty, and the

economic sanctions against Russia, a

1:40:031:40:07

lot of those are already in place --

a lot of other people there that

1:40:071:40:11

they can put these bans on. The

range of options that Theresa May

1:40:111:40:15

has is quite difficult and limited.

Norman, thank you.

1:40:151:40:20

You will be able to see what the

Prime Minister comes up with

1:40:201:40:28

here on BBC News. Too many

communities in this country are too

1:40:281:40:33

segregated, the government says, and

it's time to put an end to that. It

1:40:331:40:37

is planning to spend £50 million

over the next two is to help people

1:40:371:40:41

become more integrated. Teaching

English is a big part of that, as

1:40:411:40:45

Sajid Javid, Communities

1:40:451:40:46

Secretary, has explained this

morning.

In the strategy this

1:40:461:40:51

morning, one of the top is boosting

English-language skills. We estimate

1:40:511:40:56

there is about 770,000 people

settled in Britain, who speak or

1:40:561:41:05

know a tiny bit of English. If you

cannot speak the language of

1:41:051:41:08

Britain, how will you get on in

society and take advantage of all of

1:41:081:41:12

the opportunities there? We will be

working with the Department for

1:41:121:41:18

Education and one thing that we will

do is work through community-based

1:41:181:41:21

groups. It isn't just going to work.

If you have a lady from Bangladesh

1:41:211:41:25

who has been here for 30 years and

not learned English, you can't just

1:41:251:41:30

knock on her door and give her a

leaflet. You need someone from her

1:41:301:41:34

own community to meet and encourage

her, take her to a place or

1:41:341:41:38

community centre that she knows what

is familiar with. These are the

1:41:381:41:41

strategies we will roll out

1:41:411:41:43

across the country.

The Communities

Secretary there. Earlier I spoke to

1:41:431:41:50

Dame Louise Casey, she was the

author of the government integration

1:41:501:41:53

review.

We had to remember that the

government cut significantly, and

1:41:531:41:57

Sajid is clear on that. It was over

a long period of time, we cut

1:41:571:42:05

English-language classes and I think

that was a mistake but those English

1:42:051:42:10

language classes should be targeted

at working age women and everybody,

1:42:101:42:15

working age people who do not have

English. Personally I would set a

1:42:151:42:19

date. It is or is helpful to say,

look, let's take five years, let's

1:42:191:42:25

work our way through this.

Governments have done that on other

1:42:251:42:27

issues. I don't see why they cannot

on this.

1:42:271:42:32

Let's talk now to Samayya Afzal

who grew up during the race riots

1:42:321:42:35

of 2001 in Bradford,

she's now engagement manager

1:42:351:42:37

at Muslim Council of Britain.

1:42:371:42:40

Rupa Huq is Labour MP for Ealing

and this week received

1:42:401:42:43

an Islamaphobic "punish

a Muslim letter."

1:42:431:42:47

We discussed this on the programme

on Monday. Welcome to both of you. I

1:42:471:42:51

would like to get your reaction to

some of the things that have been

1:42:511:42:55

suggested in this consultation green

paper from the Communities

1:42:551:42:59

Secretary. The first is spending

money to ensure that everybody

1:42:591:43:02

learns the English language. Louise

Casey said within five years, how do

1:43:021:43:05

you react to that?

Of course,

everybody learning the English

1:43:051:43:09

language and being able to

communicate is a welcome proposal. I

1:43:091:43:12

think that we need to find out more

information as to how

1:43:121:43:20

information as to how that will

impact communities and what kind of

1:43:231:43:24

funding will go into it, where it

will come from, those kinds of

1:43:241:43:27

issues.

And how do you react to

that? I agree that the

1:43:271:43:29

English-language is a good thing but

this government has cut funding for

1:43:291:43:32

English as a foreign language

course.

There's a college in my

1:43:321:43:34

constituency, they came to

Parliament in protest of that. They

1:43:341:43:39

need to match rhetoric with that. It

is another consultation, another

1:43:391:43:43

green paper. Often we know the

problem in these cases but I fear

1:43:431:43:47

that people have consultation

fatigue.

Rather than taking action.

1:43:471:43:50

What would you say the main barriers

are to people being integrated? I

1:43:501:43:58

grew up in Bradford, in one of the

most deprived areas in Bradford, if

1:43:581:44:02

not the UK. We had consultations

there and respect people. When we

1:44:021:44:07

talk about barriers, it is greater

than what has been sensationalised.

1:44:071:44:13

What are these barriers to

integration? Did you feel that there

1:44:131:44:16

were barriers to integrating?

In

terms of poverty and accessing

1:44:161:44:20

education at a level that is

conducive to being able to

1:44:201:44:27

contribute to society. I think that

way you live is a huge indicator of

1:44:271:44:32

how well you will do in your life as

well. There are a lot of barriers

1:44:321:44:39

that are structural. I think those

are the kinds of things that we need

1:44:391:44:42

to be looking at, if the government

is serious on integration.

Do you

1:44:421:44:47

think it is all right that people

want to live with people who aren't

1:44:471:44:50

like them?

I mean, there is a phrase

birds of a feather flock together. I

1:44:501:44:56

represent a multicultural seat,

there are 360,000 people in the

1:44:561:45:10

borough, I represent 70 5000. There

is a Polish community, we have

1:45:101:45:14

Synagogues and mosques. There a

balance between keeping

1:45:141:45:17

distinctiveness and getting along

together and integration is a

1:45:171:45:21

two-way process. We have fish and

chips as our national dish, that

1:45:211:45:25

came from the Middle East. Tea is

our national drink, it comes from

1:45:251:45:32

India or China but there are no tea

Hills in Ealing and Acton. This

1:45:321:45:39

country is richer for it.

It depends

on, in my case, where my

1:45:391:45:46

grandparents settled and where they

came from. Whether they could find

1:45:461:45:49

work. In city areas, where they

could find affordable housing. You

1:45:491:45:54

go to schools in your catchment

area, it isn't just due to choices

1:45:541:45:58

you have made yourself but choices

made for you. These are the kinds of

1:45:581:46:02

things where, if we want to

practically look at integration,

1:46:021:46:05

those are the kinds of things we

need to look at and celebrating the

1:46:051:46:10

diversity of British Muslims,

looking at how faith communities

1:46:101:46:13

integrate. Only last month, 200

mosques around the UK opened their

1:46:131:46:17

doors for people breaking down

barriers, and I think these kinds of

1:46:171:46:25

things are constantly happening.

From where I am from as well. It is

1:46:251:46:30

much broader than what has been

discussed.

1:46:301:46:36

I would like to ask you about the

letter that you received and other

1:46:361:46:43

politicians, other councillors

received. This punisher Muslim

1:46:431:46:44

letter. Did you open it ordered a

member of your staff?

It is being

1:46:441:46:52

treated as a hate crime because it

was received by Parliamentary

1:46:521:46:56

office, so stuff is meant to be

screened that comes in there. I was

1:46:561:47:01

actually in my committee, but it was

one of my staff who opened what

1:47:011:47:05

looks like a normal letter and

suddenly there is liquid easing out

1:47:051:47:10

of it. He is actually an ex-special

constables he called the police

1:47:101:47:15

immediately.

They can very quickly.

So along with the letter, you get a

1:47:151:47:22

number of points of what will happen

if you do this to a Muslim etc, out

1:47:221:47:29

came a liquid?

Yes, it is being

investigated at the moment by

1:47:291:47:36

counterterrorism officers. Because

on the one hand, MPs like myself are

1:47:361:47:40

used to getting rubbish. Last time I

was ideal programme was to talk

1:47:401:47:44

about this kind of thing. But I

think these things should be treated

1:47:441:47:48

seriously because at the same time,

you don't know if it's a seriously

1:47:481:47:52

noxious one. The particular person

who opened it, I think what happened

1:47:521:47:55

then, the office was sealed off. The

people who were in there with him

1:47:551:48:00

were quarantined.

1:48:001:48:05

were quarantined. There were people

with boiler suits hovering around.

1:48:051:48:07

They had to isolate him and taken to

hospital to check him out. It proved

1:48:071:48:10

to be not anything seriously but it

was a low-level irritant, I think

1:48:101:48:13

they called it.

And the latter is

self. How do you react to that?

It

1:48:131:48:18

was the same letter that has been

doing the rounds, widely publicised,

1:48:181:48:23

but I think Muslim MPs are being

focused to receive it. More people

1:48:231:48:28

may be opening them today, so why

would say people should be vigilant.

1:48:281:48:32

But does the content of it is

appalling, despicable. We are in a

1:48:321:48:37

climate now where maybe

post-referendum, we did see a spike

1:48:371:48:40

in hate crime, didn't we? Maybe that

has been this climate where people

1:48:401:48:44

feel a bit more emboldened to do

such things.

OK, thank you very

1:48:441:48:49

much, thank you for coming on the

programme.

1:48:491:48:53

Today marks one month

since Nikolas Cruz allegedly walked

1:48:531:48:55

into a Florida high school and shot

dead 17 people and

1:48:551:48:58

injured another 17.

1:48:581:49:02

It was announced yesterday that

prosecutors would seek the death

1:49:021:49:04

penalty for the teen.

1:49:041:49:06

But in response to the tragedy,

students from the Marjory Stoneman

1:49:061:49:09

Douglas High School in Parkland

are leaving their classrooms today

1:49:091:49:13

in a mass walk-out that will involve

students across the United States,

1:49:131:49:18

in a bid to demand tougher gun laws

and also pay tribute

1:49:181:49:21

to those who were killed.

1:49:211:49:27

There's also a March

for Our Lives student protest

1:49:271:49:29

planned which will take place

in Washington a week on Saturday.

1:49:291:49:37

Let's talk now to two students

who have organised walk-outs

1:49:381:49:40

in their respective schools.

1:49:401:49:43

17-year-old Meghan Ziembowicz

from Michigan and 16-year-old

1:49:431:49:50

Jamison Mae from Massachusetts.

1:49:501:49:54

Thank you very much, both of you,

for talking to our British audience.

1:49:541:49:59

Meghan, what do you hope to achieve?

We hope to achieve spreading

1:49:591:50:04

awareness that young people will not

sit around any longer in America and

1:50:041:50:09

allow pilots to occur. I don't want

a death in my community or any

1:50:091:50:13

community and I hope the walk-outs.

The show our politicians that we

1:50:131:50:17

have said enough is enough.

Jamison,

what do you hope it will achieve?

1:50:171:50:24

Exactly the same thing, showing our

government that we need common-sense

1:50:241:50:27

gun laws and we need to feel safer

in schools. I should not have the

1:50:271:50:33

walk in a hallway and think, where

should I hide if a school shooter

1:50:331:50:37

game in right now? I should be

thinking about what I'm doing with

1:50:371:50:41

my friend as we can do what I got my

maths test.

Megan, do you

1:50:411:50:47

acknowledge that some measures are

going to be brought in, controls

1:50:471:50:51

with people with mental health

issues and certain devices will be

1:50:511:50:54

bad that could make an assault

weapon even more dangerous? How much

1:50:541:50:58

progress do you think is being made?

I think that progress is being made,

1:50:581:51:03

although progress is slow and I

think the continual movement and the

1:51:031:51:06

continual push from adults,

educators, students and from all

1:51:061:51:12

people in the United States does

need to keep going until we reach

1:51:121:51:14

the progress that we are trying to

achieve.

Jamison, I think you have

1:51:141:51:19

written a letter to Senator 's that

you hope students attending the

1:51:191:51:29

protest will sign. Could you read

some for us?

Of course. To whom it

1:51:291:51:35

may concern, never again. These

words have inspired so many to speak

1:51:351:51:41

out against gun violence seen in

this country. We are writing to you

1:51:411:51:44

from our high school. This school

community is the heart and soul of

1:51:441:51:52

our town. The fact that we are even

writing this letter to you today all

1:51:521:51:56

that school shootings have become

somewhat of a norm in the United

1:51:561:52:00

States population is appalling to

us. Gun violence in schools across

1:52:001:52:03

the population has skyrocketed in

years past and that needs to be

1:52:031:52:08

addressed at the soonest possible

moment or the consequences could,

1:52:081:52:11

quite frankly, the deadly. No person

in the country should have to fear

1:52:111:52:16

going to work, school or any whereas

for that matter. How can we as a

1:52:161:52:20

nation so that we are a land of the

free when people are terrified they

1:52:201:52:24

could be killed for being in the

wrong place at the wrong time.

1:52:241:52:27

Living in fear is something that no

American should ever have to worry

1:52:271:52:31

about. Stronger gun laws need to be

implemented not only in

1:52:311:52:35

Massachusetts, what we have also

concerned that are considered to be

1:52:351:52:40

the best nation in the world, the

United States of America. Every

1:52:401:52:43

system has its faults and together

we can start a system that needs to

1:52:431:52:47

happen. The young people of this

nation will begin that change.

1:52:471:52:52

Changing the requirements to

purchase and buy a firearm can save

1:52:521:52:58

countless lives. Should I keep

going, or...

That is absolutely

1:52:581:53:03

amazing. Thank you so much, Jamison.

We really appreciate that and we

1:53:031:53:07

wish you all the best. Thank you

both very much for coming on the

1:53:071:53:12

programme, we appreciate it. Megan

is from Michigan.

1:53:121:53:18

The most famous physicist, the most

famous scientist of our time, has

1:53:191:53:25

died at the age of 76. He did

pioneering work on black holes

1:53:251:53:30

provided inspiration to countless

people with disabilities. As he

1:53:301:53:35

himself said it was no barrier to

his astonishing work.

1:53:351:53:42

his astonishing work.

Theoretical

physics is one of the few fields in

1:53:451:53:47

which being disabled is no handicap.

It is all in the mind. I find

1:53:471:54:04

humour...

I can't believe someone I

never heard of it hanging out with a

1:54:041:54:07

guy like me.

All right, it is

closing time.

He was paying the tab?

1:54:071:54:13

I didn't say that.

Yes I did. D'oh!

!

You really didn't like our paper?

1:54:131:54:29

I liked your paper very much.

Then

why are you attacking us?

If you

1:54:291:54:36

were sitting in a chair for 40

years, then you would get bored too.

1:54:361:54:42

All the quantum fluctuations in the

universe went change the cards in

1:54:421:54:45

your hand. I call. You are bluffing

and you will lose.

Wrong again,

1:54:451:54:50

Albert.

1:54:501:54:58

Albert.

What if I reverse the

process all the way back to see what

1:54:581:55:01

happened at the beginning of time

itself?

If Eddie read Mein won an

1:55:011:55:06

Oscar for playing me, it would make

up in some way for the fact that I

1:55:061:55:11

am unlikely to win a Nobel Prize.

1:55:111:55:14

I hope my example will show

disability can be no barrier. One

1:55:271:55:33

can achieve anything if one is

determined enough.

1:55:331:55:41

Well, Colin Farmer from Lincolnshire

got in touch with us. He was

1:55:411:55:45

diagnosed with MS 15 years ago and

he was one of those who found

1:55:451:55:51

inspiration from professional

Hawkins. Thank you very much for

1:55:511:55:54

talking to us, Colin. -- from

Professor Hawkins. Tell us in what

1:55:541:55:59

way you feel inspired by Stephen

Hawkins.

I haven't followed his

1:55:591:56:05

career as such but seeing him do

what he does being now or as he was

1:56:051:56:09

totally disabled, it is like an

impetus. It doesn't matter what your

1:56:091:56:19

disability is, you can always do

something. Not to sit there and feel

1:56:191:56:23

sorry for yourself and wallow in

your own misery and self-pity, but

1:56:231:56:29

get there, do stuff. He has shown

the way to go and I am hoping that

1:56:291:56:39

he inspires a lot of people with

disability. I know there is one

1:56:391:56:45

woman that I know that just sits and

feels sorry for themselves and I try

1:56:451:56:49

to a command to do something, even

though they are more disabled than I

1:56:491:56:54

am, to take a lesson from this, that

you can do something, even if it is

1:56:541:57:00

not a lot. You can still do

something, make something of your

1:57:001:57:04

life.

And you clearly, from what you

are saying, you have tried not to

1:57:041:57:09

let MS getting the way of what you

want to do?

Oh, no, no way. I will

1:57:091:57:15

do what ever I can whenever I can

and however I can. Although there

1:57:151:57:22

are things because of my disability

that I maybe shouldn't be doing, but

1:57:221:57:27

hang on a minute, his life is this?

It's not yours, it's mine. I'm going

1:57:271:57:33

to do it, whatever.

Thank you very

much, Colin. It's really nice to

1:57:331:57:37

talk to you. Thank you for coming on

the programme. Thank you, Colin

1:57:371:57:43

Farmer in Lincolnshire, aged 70 and

has MS. This e-mail from Paul. I was

1:57:431:57:48

saddened to hear of the death of

Stephen Hawking this morning. I had

1:57:481:57:53

originally graduated as an engineer

but it was a TV programme about

1:57:531:57:56

Professor Hawkins life and work

which motivated me to complete a

1:57:561:58:01

further degree in physics and I'm

there are countless others who have

1:58:011:58:07

likewise been inspired. Joy says, I

am nearing the end of my life since

1:58:071:58:11

first getting breast cancer 20 years

ago. Like Stephen, I have also never

1:58:111:58:16

felt quite so happy and full of life

as the last few years. Thank you

1:58:161:58:22

very much for those. BBC newsroom

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