Victoria hears from a girl who tried to take her own life nine times before getting help, and speaks to people living in Syria on the anniversary of the start of the conflict.
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Hello, it's 9 o'clock,
I'm Victoria Derbyshire, | 0:00:05 | 0:00:06 | |
welcome to the programme. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:11 | |
Our top story today... | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
President Trump comes out in support
of the UK's decision to expel 23 | 0:00:14 | 0:00:19 | |
Russian diplomats from Britain
after the nerve agent | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
attack in Salisbury. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:22 | |
The United States stands in absolute
solidarity with Great Britain. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
The United States
believes that Russia | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
is responsible for the attack on two
people in the United Kingdom, using | 0:00:28 | 0:00:32 | |
a military grade nerve agent. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
We will get reaction. Also coming up
on the programme... | 0:00:35 | 0:00:43 | |
Sherry Denness was 17
when she attempted to take her own | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
life nine times in ten
days at the end of last | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
year before she got | 0:00:49 | 0:00:50 | |
the help she needed. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:51 | |
Her dad's video seeking
support for her went viral. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:57 | |
Sherry Denness and her mum and dad
wll be here shortly. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
And working repeated
shifts, but for free, | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
with no offer of a job
at the end of it. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
There are calls to ban the practice
of unpaid trial shifts | 0:01:15 | 0:01:22 | |
and it will be debated
in Parliament. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
Did your unpaid shifts
lead to a job, or not? | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
Let us know. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
Hello. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:33 | |
Welcome to the programme. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:34 | |
We're live until 11 this morning. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:38 | |
Later, we'll be talking about beer
yoga - where you can enjoy sipping | 0:01:38 | 0:01:43 | |
a nice, cold lager while
doing the downward dog. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
Can you believe that? That is after
10am. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:52 | |
Also, we definitely want to hear
your own experiences of children | 0:01:52 | 0:01:59 | |
with mental health problems and how
difficult, or otherwise, | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
it was to get the right help. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
We've got a searing example of how
it didn't work early | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
enough for one teenager. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:09 | |
We'll be talking to her
at 9.15am. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
Our top story today... | 0:02:11 | 0:02:12 | |
The White House has given
its backing to Britain's decision | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
to expel Russian diplomats
in retaliation for the nerve | 0:02:15 | 0:02:16 | |
agent attack on Sergei
Skripal and his daughter. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:24 | |
The US said it was a just response
and America stood in solidarity | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
with its closest ally. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:32 | |
And in a hardening of
President Trump's tone on Russia, | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
his spokeswoman accused it
of undermining the security | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
of countries worldwide. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:37 | |
23 staff at the Russian embassy
in London have been given | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
a week to leave the UK. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:41 | |
However, the Kremlin continues
to deny any involvement | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
in the attempted murder. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:44 | |
Keith Doyle reports. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:50 | |
Late-night comings and goings
at the Russian embassy | 0:02:50 | 0:02:55 | |
in London - 23 diplomats considered
to be undeclared spies will be | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
making preparations to leave Britain
after the decision yesterday | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
to expel them. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:01 | |
While Russia remains defiant
that it was not involved | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
in the nerve agent attack,
other major world powers | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
are backing Britain. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:07 | |
Now one member stands accused
of using chemical weapons | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
on the sovereign soil
of another member. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
The credibility of this council
will not survive if we fail | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
to hold Russia accountable. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:23 | |
"Russia was to blame,"
the Prime Minister told MPs, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
and that's why action
is being taken. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
So, Mr Speaker, there is no
alternative conclusion other | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
than that the Russian state
was culpable for the attempted | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
murder of Mr Skripal
and his daughter. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
This represents an unlawful use
of force by the Russian state | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
against the United Kingdom. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:42 | |
The Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn,
said the response should be | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
based on clear evidence. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
Russia insists it was not involved
and it will retaliate. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
Prime Minister May is destroying
international law and is destroying | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
the international relationship. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
Last night, Britain asked
the International Chemical Weapons | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
Watchdog to verify Moscow is behind
the attack in Salisbury. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:06 | |
There is now a fully-blown
diplomatic row, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
a row that looks likely to escalate
with expected tit-for-tat actions. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
And as this goes on,
Sergei Skripal and his daughter | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
remain critically ill in hospital. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:17 | |
Keith Doyle, BBC News. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
Our correspondent Richard
Galpin is in Moscow. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
Norman Smith is in Westminster. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:28 | |
Richard, what reaction in Russia to
what President Trump has said? There | 0:04:28 | 0:04:33 | |
has been another briefing by the
Foreign Ministry spokeswoman in | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
which she has said that the idea
that Russia is behind the poisoning | 0:04:36 | 0:04:41 | |
is insane and she is saying the
truth behind the Skripal poisoning | 0:04:41 | 0:04:46 | |
is being hidden by the British
authorities and she is of course | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
saying they are working on
retaliatory measures, we do not know | 0:04:50 | 0:04:55 | |
when they will be implemented, but
certainly they are working on them, | 0:04:55 | 0:05:00 | |
and the widespread assumption is
they will be tit-for-tat, 23 spies, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:05 | |
Russian spies, are going to be
expelled from London and the | 0:05:05 | 0:05:10 | |
expectation is British diplomats in
Moscow and those deemed to be spies | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
are likely to be expelled. And
possibly further measures mirroring | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
what the British Government has
announced. It is interesting the | 0:05:17 | 0:05:23 | |
development of the international
community, Western powers, rallying | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
behind Theresa May and Britain. We
have seen the UN, a lot of | 0:05:27 | 0:05:32 | |
statements expressing solidarity,
including from Nato, and the key | 0:05:32 | 0:05:37 | |
question for the Russian government
is whether those countries will do | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
something concrete. For example,
whether they would themselves will | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
impose more sanctions. That would be
very troubling for the Kremlin. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:52 | |
Norman at Westminster, 19 Labour MPs
have signed a Commons motion | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
supporting the decision of the Prime
Minister to expelled the diplomats, | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
spies. Why are they doing that?
Because of widespread anger among | 0:06:00 | 0:06:05 | |
Labour MPs at Mr Corbyn's response
to the Salisbury attack, in the | 0:06:05 | 0:06:11 | |
Commons yesterday, he appeared to
question and challenge the evidence | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
pointing towards Russia. It was not
just that many Labour MPs thought he | 0:06:15 | 0:06:21 | |
got the tone wrong, he also attacked
the Government for cuts to the | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
police and the National Health
Service, taking Russian money. There | 0:06:25 | 0:06:30 | |
was not just they thought that was
an inappropriate line to take, it is | 0:06:30 | 0:06:35 | |
because they felt he failed to live
up to the moment, that at a time | 0:06:35 | 0:06:40 | |
when people are being attacked, in
Britain, that, they felt, was a | 0:06:40 | 0:06:46 | |
moment when he needed to stand up as
a national leader and show he was | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
ready to stand up to foreign
aggression. More than that, a view | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
among some Labour figures he is
betraying the history of the Labour | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
Party which has, they say, always
been very patriotic, going back to | 0:06:57 | 0:07:02 | |
the likes of Clement Attlee, and
there are clear signs of tension | 0:07:02 | 0:07:08 | |
even right at the very top of the
party with senior figures like the | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
Shadow Defence Secretary and the
Shadow Foreign Secretary, Emily | 0:07:11 | 0:07:16 | |
Thornberry, both uneasy with the
stance Mr Corbyn has taken. More | 0:07:16 | 0:07:21 | |
reaction to come of course through
the morning. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
Annita McVeigh is in the BBC
Newsroom with a summary | 0:07:25 | 0:07:30 | |
of the rest of the day's news. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
The labratory where scientists
helped identify the nerve agent used | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
in Salisbury is to get more funding
from the government | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
as part of a defence
modernisation programme. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
An extra £48 million
for a new Chemical Weapons Defence | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
Centre at Porton Down,
will be announced by Gavin | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
Williamson in his first major speech
as Defence Secretary later today. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
The Brexit Secretary,
David Davis, has said he's prepared | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
to accept the EU's offer
of a shortened transition period, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:58 | |
after the UK leaves
the European Union in March, 2019. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
He said he would agree to a call
for the transition to end | 0:08:01 | 0:08:06 | |
in December, 2020, if that
helped to secure a deal at | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
next week's EU summit. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:09 | |
Ministers are being called
on to introduce a faster phase-out | 0:08:09 | 0:08:14 | |
of petrol and diesel cars,
currently set for 2040. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
The MPs have also demanded
a new Clean Air Act, | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
and they say the motor industry
should finance a clean air fund. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
The Government says it'll
publish its own proposals on air | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
pollution later in the year. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
Here's our environment
analyst, Roger Harrabin. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
The air in many of Britain's cities
is officially unfit to breathe. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:36 | |
And the MPs are angry that,
despite a series of court cases, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
the Government hasn't cleaned it up. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
The young are particularly at risk,
and the MPs' report has drawn | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
support from UN children's
organisation, UNICEF, | 0:08:45 | 0:08:46 | |
which says that Britain's children
deserve to breathe clean air. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:53 | |
The Government aims to end the sales
of diesel and petrol | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
only vehicles by 2040,
but the MPs say that is inadequate. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
India will do it ten years earlier. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
They say government must work
with local councils to stop | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
pollution-related deaths. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:04 | |
This really needs to be stamped out. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
We need to improve it. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
And that's why the whole report
talked about bringing government, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
local authorities together,
so we can work across, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
not just here in London,
but across the whole country. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:19 | |
The Government says it's looking
beyond cars to smokeless fuel | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
and wood stoves in its strategy,
due later in the year. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
Roger Harrabin, BBC News. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
The World Health Organization
is to carry out a review | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
of the potential impact of plastic
on human health. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
It follows the release
of a new study by US researchers - | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
the largest of its kind -
which discovered plastic particles | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
in popular brands of bottled water. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:45 | |
Scientists say that there is no
evidence yet to suggest | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
it is a cause for concern. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:52 | |
In the past three years,
parents across England and Wales | 0:09:52 | 0:09:57 | |
have been fined about £24 million
for failing to send | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
their children to school. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
A BBC investigation also shows some
councils are issuing penalties | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
at rates five times higher
than the average. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
Some parents say they now actively
budget for the cost of fines | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
when planning holidays. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
While some councils admit
they have become stricter, | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
they say they are protecting
the education of children. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
The use of food and medical
supplies as a weapon of war | 0:10:15 | 0:10:21 | |
by the Syrian regime has
been branded as utterly | 0:10:21 | 0:10:26 | |
abhorrent by the Foreign
Secretary, Boris Johnson, | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
and International Development
Secretary Penny Mordaunt. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
In a joint statement to mark
the seven years of conflict | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
which has gripped the country,
they are branding the war | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
as one of the longest
and bloodiest in recent history. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
A 20-year-old woman has been
jailed for six months | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
in the American state of Minnesota
for fatally shooting her boyfriend | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
in a botched YouTube video
they hoped would go viral. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
Pedro Ruiz convinced Monalisa Perez
to shoot him at close range | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
with a powerful pistol,
believing that a thick | 0:10:50 | 0:10:51 | |
book he held in front
of his chest would shield him. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
He died at the scene. | 0:10:54 | 0:11:02 | |
Some MPs and lawyers have
called for a blanket ban | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
on unpaid shift work. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
Companies can currently invite
prospective employees to do trial | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
shifts with the carrot of a job
at the end. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
But there has been a six-fold
increase over three years | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
in complaints over unpaid shifts,
according to the trade union Unite. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:23 | |
On Friday, a Private Members'
Bill which seeks to make | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
unpaid trials illegal
will get its second | 0:11:28 | 0:11:29 | |
parliamentary reading. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC
News - more at 9:30. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
Good morning. Get in touch with us,
you're very welcome. You can use | 0:11:35 | 0:11:46 | |
Twitter, e-mail or message us on
Facebook. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
In a moment, a pretty heartbreaking
story from a teenager, a young | 0:11:50 | 0:11:55 | |
woman, who attempted to take her own
life nine times in the space of ten | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
days. She is here with her mum and
dad and she will talk specifically | 0:11:59 | 0:12:06 | |
about the care she found difficult
to access. They want to improve the | 0:12:06 | 0:12:11 | |
mental health care teenagers and
young people get. Your expenses | 0:12:11 | 0:12:16 | |
really welcome. We would like to
feed those into the conversation | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
with Sherry and her mum and dad. Do
get in touch. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
Let's get some sport with Hugh. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
Most wanted five English sides in
the Champions League, but it is just | 0:12:27 | 0:12:32 | |
two. Just two. We saw Man United go
out in such a disappointing way, as | 0:12:32 | 0:12:38 | |
tough as we thought it would be for
Chelsea last night in the Champions | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
League. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:46 | |
They went away to Spanish League | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
leaders Barcelona and had some
confidence after a 1-1 first leg | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
draw and the fact they hadn't
lost at the Nou Camp | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
on their last four visits. | 0:12:55 | 0:13:01 | |
However, the were stung
by the five-time Ballon D'or | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
winner Lionel Messi. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:11 | |
Having gone his first eight games
against Chelsea without a goal, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:18 | |
he scored the equaliser in the first
leg and scored two while setting up | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
the other last night. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:22 | |
And it was a case of the nutmeg! | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
The first came after just
a couple of minutes, | 0:13:24 | 0:13:29 | |
deceiving Thibaut Courtois
in the Chelsea goal. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
His second,
different end, different | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
foot, same result. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:35 | |
In fact it finished 3-0 on the night
to Barca, and means Liverpool | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
and Manchester City will be the two
British clubs in the | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
quarter-final draw tomorrow. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:42 | |
There were better scenes
for Arsenal's Women last night - | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
they stunned favourites
Manchester City to win | 0:13:45 | 0:13:46 | |
the Continental Tyres Cup
for a record fifth time - | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
1-0 - thanks to
Vivianne Miedema's goal. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
Eddie Jones, disappointing Six
Nations, apologising for offending | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
some other home nations. Not great
for Eddie Jones. England head coach. | 0:13:56 | 0:14:01 | |
You might remember the pictures of
him being verbally abused by | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
Scotland rugby fans and the sport
was left disgusted, but once again | 0:14:04 | 0:14:09 | |
braced against words from Jones
himself at a port last summer, he | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
described the Irish as... And Wales
as not very nice place, shall we | 0:14:13 | 0:14:20 | |
say. He has apologised unreservedly,
saying he was very sorry for any | 0:14:20 | 0:14:27 | |
offence, no ski since, he said he
should not have said what he did, | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
but added motivation for the Ireland
team -- no excuses. And no Ruby | 0:14:30 | 0:14:40 | |
Walsh for the rest of the Cheltenham
Festival. Awful fall for the top | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
jockey rest Tony McRae yesterday. --
awful fall for the top jockey | 0:14:44 | 0:14:51 | |
yesterday. The serious injury
yesterday, he went to hospital with | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
a suspected broken leg, he found
that the second last fence and it | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
seems he has broken the same local
four months ago, only just made a | 0:14:59 | 0:15:05 | |
return to racing, and he will miss
the rest of the festival including | 0:15:05 | 0:15:11 | |
Freddie's Gold. The Big Race Was The
Queen Mother Champion Chase | 0:15:11 | 0:15:21 | |
Queen Mother Champion Chase Altior
Easley came home first. Finally, | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
some bad news from South Korea. GB
cannot win a medal in the curling. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:34 | |
They lost Korea in the penultimate
round Robin Knoche. In the | 0:15:34 | 0:15:43 | |
afternoon's session, Norway's
victory over Slovakia, it means the | 0:15:43 | 0:15:48 | |
Brits are out, even if they beat
China, some disappointment for | 0:15:48 | 0:15:53 | |
Paralympics GB in Pyeongchang. More
through the morning. | 0:15:53 | 0:16:03 | |
When she was 17, Sherry Denness
tried to kill herself | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
nine times in 10 days. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:07 | |
That was last November. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
Now 18, Sherry's been
diagnosed with a number | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
of mental health conditions,
including borderline personality | 0:16:12 | 0:16:16 | |
disorder and attention deficit
hyperactivity disorder or ADHD. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:23 | |
On seven of her nine attempts,
Sherry went to A&E, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
where she was patched up and deemed
well enough to be sent home | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
with no further help. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:30 | |
Things came to a head
when she was found near the local | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
train station and was eventually
sectioned under | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
the Mental Health Act. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:36 | |
BBC Stories has been
following Sherry. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:43 | |
She's doing better now. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
We will talk to her in a moment. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:51 | |
She and her parents
feel she was badly | 0:16:51 | 0:16:52 | |
let down by mental health services
over a period of many years | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
and they feel places like hospitals
should be better equipped to cope | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
with children in crisis. | 0:16:58 | 0:16:59 | |
Sherry's dad posted this
online to help raise | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
awareness of their campaign. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
PIANO PLAYS | 0:17:03 | 0:17:10 | |
The video has had more
than 5.5 million views | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
and the campaign hashtag
"wecaresherry" has | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
been shared widely. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
Sherry and her mum Andi and dad
Chris are here now... | 0:18:46 | 0:18:51 | |
Good morning to all of you. Thank
you for coming on the programme. How | 0:18:51 | 0:18:56 | |
are you, first of all? I was
nervous, but I'm OK. We will look | 0:18:56 | 0:19:01 | |
after you. Tell us about the
campaign and what it's been like to | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
have this incredible support from
millions of people, most of whom are | 0:19:04 | 0:19:09 | |
strangers. I can't even... I have
always had the mindset that I am not | 0:19:09 | 0:19:15 | |
a very liked person because the
issues I have gone through. I was | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
bullied at school. I had quite a
rough time with it. I have always | 0:19:19 | 0:19:24 | |
been of the mindset that not a lot
of people care about me apart from | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
the people who have to do, like my
parents! So seeing it exposed, that | 0:19:28 | 0:19:36 | |
I was under section, when it was
launched, and I had phoned time. I | 0:19:36 | 0:19:41 | |
saw it, and I thought, wow. You were
sectioned at that time? I was in the | 0:19:41 | 0:19:47 | |
hospital, yes. I was 200 miles away
from my parents. I checked on my | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
Facebook and the video that you just
played has come up on there. I was | 0:19:51 | 0:20:00 | |
like... Where are all these people
coming from? How did it make you | 0:20:00 | 0:20:06 | |
feel to know people did care? Very
important, it made me feel a lot | 0:20:06 | 0:20:11 | |
better. A lot better. I know you are
comfortable talking about some of | 0:20:11 | 0:20:19 | |
your diagnoses, including borderline
personality disorder and ADHD. Can | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
you give any insights to our
audience into the kind of voices you | 0:20:22 | 0:20:28 | |
have heard in your head in the past?
I've had delusions since I was quite | 0:20:28 | 0:20:33 | |
young. My first delusion was when I
was 12. They come in the forms of | 0:20:33 | 0:20:40 | |
site, and they come in the forms of
hearing as well. The site is really | 0:20:40 | 0:20:45 | |
scary because it's, how can you look
at me right now and see in perfect | 0:20:45 | 0:20:51 | |
detail because I'm right here? --
the sight is really scary. You are | 0:20:51 | 0:20:57 | |
scared because everyone else tells
you it's not real. The voices are | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
the same. Sometimes they can be
inner thoughts. And it will just | 0:21:01 | 0:21:06 | |
come from within. But sometimes you
will actually hear it as if is | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
external. Again, people tell you
nothing is there. It's a really | 0:21:09 | 0:21:16 | |
dark, scary and lonely place. There
will be people watching who can | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
relate to this. I want to let our
audience know that we will talk in | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
detail about the kind of things you
have experienced and perhaps if you | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
have young children you might not
want them to hear, but it's your | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
decision. What kind of things would
you see and what kind of things with | 0:21:31 | 0:21:36 | |
the voices say to you? I used to
have three delusions. They sometimes | 0:21:36 | 0:21:43 | |
come back when I am in a really bad
state. Or I am emotionally | 0:21:43 | 0:21:49 | |
regularised. One is called Ciaran,
one is Anna and one is Alice. Ciaran | 0:21:49 | 0:21:57 | |
is a really horrible man who would
stand outside my window at night and | 0:21:57 | 0:22:02 | |
wave at me. He would speak to me as
well. Alice was a little girl who | 0:22:02 | 0:22:09 | |
didn't say anything. She would just
walk around my room. And Anna, when | 0:22:09 | 0:22:14 | |
I had anorexia, I developed another
voice called Anna, and it was that | 0:22:14 | 0:22:21 | |
voice who was always telling me,
don't eat. But Ciaran would say | 0:22:21 | 0:22:26 | |
things like, if you don't hurt
yourself, or if you don't do this to | 0:22:26 | 0:22:34 | |
yourself, or tell lies, or whatever,
then I will kill your family. It was | 0:22:34 | 0:22:42 | |
very real. So I would do it because
I was scared for my family. It would | 0:22:42 | 0:22:49 | |
be visions. When I am in that state,
I'm thinking, he is showing me | 0:22:49 | 0:22:54 | |
visions, he can actually do this. It
must have been terrifying. It was, | 0:22:54 | 0:23:00 | |
it was horrible. He told me one
night to sit in the garden at three | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
in the morning. And not come out,
and cover myself in a black blanket. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:10 | |
I was cold, I wanted to go in
because I was cold, and he would | 0:23:10 | 0:23:18 | |
say, no, you don't deserve to. That
kind of stuff. And this led to last | 0:23:18 | 0:23:25 | |
November when you are tempted to
take your own life multiple times in | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
a short period of time, in ten days.
You were taken to A&E a number of | 0:23:29 | 0:23:34 | |
times. And then you would be
released when the physical side of | 0:23:34 | 0:23:40 | |
things had been cleared up, is that
correct? Yes. What were you thinking | 0:23:40 | 0:23:46 | |
when you were discharged? At that
point in time, I was not in the | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
right mindset. I was thinking, good,
because I can do it again. Really? | 0:23:50 | 0:23:56 | |
Speaking to your mother now, what
were you thinking when she was | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
discharged? God, yeah, what on
earth?! From our point of view, once | 0:23:59 | 0:24:07 | |
is enough. We have had to hold
Sherry's hand when she has done | 0:24:07 | 0:24:14 | |
things to herself and she is in a
coma, and to nurse your child that | 0:24:14 | 0:24:21 | |
your bedside, watching, no response
to every single pressure point and | 0:24:21 | 0:24:26 | |
every single thing they do to class
you in a coma, and to see your child | 0:24:26 | 0:24:33 | |
in that fragile state, it's a bit
like today, it's surreal. Is this | 0:24:33 | 0:24:39 | |
really happening? This can't really
be happening. And when they let your | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
child go, you're just like, what?!
Do you know what I mean? So we were | 0:24:43 | 0:24:54 | |
just left thinking, what the heck,
literally, what the heck. And what | 0:24:54 | 0:24:59 | |
was it like for you as Sherry's dad,
knowing the potentially the physical | 0:24:59 | 0:25:05 | |
side of things had been treated, but
mentally, clearly, there was so much | 0:25:05 | 0:25:10 | |
going on. It was a difficult time
for everyone. It was try to get the | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
nurses or somebody on our side, to
say, will you listen to what we are | 0:25:14 | 0:25:19 | |
saying to you, because if you
release her, she will try and do the | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
worst. It kept happening and
happening. But what you were saying | 0:25:23 | 0:25:28 | |
would happen, it would happen, and
yet she would still be released. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:33 | |
Exactly, and this was a pattern that
happened not only in that ten days, | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
but since she came onto the radar,
if you like, of mental health, when | 0:25:37 | 0:25:43 | |
she was 11. I remember the first
time she self harm that 13. We | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
looked at each other and thought,
where did that come from? It was a | 0:25:47 | 0:25:55 | |
progression we never ever
anticipated. And that was really | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
tough. You say Sherry was 11 when
she was first assessed by CAMS. She | 0:25:57 | 0:26:13 | |
said -- they said she was naughty
and attention seeking and her | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
delusions were fake. They said that
within earshot of me when I was 11 | 0:26:15 | 0:26:20 | |
years old. They took me in for an
assessment for ADHD and I heard the | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
person who assessed me saying to my
mother that she was an attention | 0:26:24 | 0:26:31 | |
seeker, and it was a behavioural
thing. That she was looking for | 0:26:31 | 0:26:36 | |
attention. We have had to fight for
her every step of the way. There | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
hasn't been a day gone by that we
haven't been exhausted by the fight. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
You get to the end of it and think,
I can't take any more, and then | 0:26:42 | 0:26:47 | |
something else happens. And every
day you think, this is the bottom, | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
we will get up now, because we are
really positive people. But no, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:57 | |
there is a new bottom. This kept
happening and happening, over and | 0:26:57 | 0:27:02 | |
over again. We have always wanted to
launch a campaign, because we have | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
always felt there is no help for
young people. We are saying between | 0:27:05 | 0:27:11 | |
the age of 10-25. Because even
though you are an adult at 18, | 0:27:11 | 0:27:18 | |
really, what makes you one day a
child and 1-dayer adult? That's | 0:27:18 | 0:27:26 | |
normality transition for somebody
with mental health, at 17 you are | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
still a child, but at 18 you have
adult responsibilities. For somebody | 0:27:30 | 0:27:35 | |
with mental health, who doesn't fit
into the category of normal, it's a | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
very stressful and hard time. There
should be more support. But you were | 0:27:38 | 0:27:43 | |
not getting that support when you
are 17 either really. Until you | 0:27:43 | 0:27:48 | |
section, which is what you wanted,
which is after the ninth time you | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
are tempted to... You were found at
a train station. The police found | 0:27:51 | 0:27:58 | |
you, and they took the decision to
section you, which you were relieved | 0:27:58 | 0:28:02 | |
about. The legs nearly went from
under me. I was gobsmacked. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:12 | |
under me. I was gobsmacked. PCP
Turcotte and Dan Ayrton are our | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
heroes, without a shadow of a doubt.
-- PC Peter Coe. We can't thank | 0:28:14 | 0:28:23 | |
those individuals enough. You say
you were seen in that period of ten | 0:28:23 | 0:28:30 | |
days by 18 different health care
professionals. That's quite | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
extraordinary. Are you saying that
nobody was joining the dots up | 0:28:32 | 0:28:37 | |
effectively? I don't think it was a
case of them not joining the dots | 0:28:37 | 0:28:43 | |
up. It was more a case of them not
wanting to. I have been dealt with a | 0:28:43 | 0:28:47 | |
lot in hospitals, main hospitals,
paediatric wards, and there is a | 0:28:47 | 0:28:55 | |
massive taboo about it. Nobody
really wants to talk about it, | 0:28:55 | 0:29:00 | |
nobody really wants to help. That's
why I am continuing with this | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
campaign. There are people who do
want to help and organisations, | 0:29:04 | 0:29:09 | |
because we have had them on this
programme. It seems really sad you | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
were not put in touch with one of
those. Chris Conley you did this | 0:29:12 | 0:29:18 | |
video that went viral. It's very
poignant, I have to say. -- Chris, | 0:29:18 | 0:29:25 | |
you did this video. What is the
point of this, it has been seen | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
millions of times, so what do you
want to change as a result of your | 0:29:29 | 0:29:33 | |
family's experience? All the bad my
family has gone through, we want to | 0:29:33 | 0:29:38 | |
make a positive change and help
young people, give them support and | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
let them know there are people
there. The reason for doing the | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
video was to give an insight into
what it is like for Sherry, what she | 0:29:44 | 0:29:53 | |
was suffering, and give people an
insight on what it is like for | 0:29:53 | 0:29:57 | |
parents who have children who suffer
with mental health. I did the video | 0:29:57 | 0:30:01 | |
thinking maybe a couple of hundred
people would watch it, and every | 0:30:01 | 0:30:05 | |
couple of days it would go up more
and more. I have some messages. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:11 | |
There is one I have left over there
from a young woman called Georgina, | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
who is 21. She talked about being
diagnosed with mental health | 0:30:15 | 0:30:20 | |
issues... I can't find it. I have
just printed it out... It is so | 0:30:20 | 0:30:24 | |
pertinent to you. Let me find it. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:31 | |
I would like to share my
experiences. I'm 21, diagnosed with | 0:30:31 | 0:30:37 | |
clinical depression at 13 after a
series of self harm issues. After | 0:30:37 | 0:30:41 | |
visiting my school nurse and GP, it
took eight months for me to be | 0:30:41 | 0:30:46 | |
referred to talking therapy with a
child and adolescent mental health | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
service. The quality of the therapy
was so poor it worse and my mental | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
health and I was under the age of 18
I was refused any appropriate | 0:30:54 | 0:30:58 | |
medication. I was patronised and
dismissed by the person I was told | 0:30:58 | 0:31:02 | |
to speak to. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:12 | |
Discharged and then relapsed, it
took a further five months to get an | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
appointment with a psychologist. It
was only when I reached 18 and 20 | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
university I receive treatment I
needed. I have been on medication | 0:31:21 | 0:31:22 | |
for over three years now and I am
better than ever. Some of that, you | 0:31:22 | 0:31:26 | |
can relate to? Terrible. I can
totally relate to that. That is what | 0:31:26 | 0:31:28 | |
struck us, it was not an isolated
case, we knew that, but we did not | 0:31:28 | 0:31:32 | |
realise just how many people are
just like us and it gave us hope as | 0:31:32 | 0:31:38 | |
well. Why don't you explain what
this is, Sherry? Such a wonderful | 0:31:38 | 0:31:44 | |
idea, you send this out to people
who are feeling like nobody cares. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
On our website, we have at the
bottom of the page a button that | 0:31:48 | 0:31:53 | |
says, apply for a recovery box. I
make them myself from scratch, | 0:31:53 | 0:31:59 | |
handmade. I do absolutely
everything. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:05 | |
everything. There is a little
inventory slip and a message that is | 0:32:05 | 0:32:13 | |
always personalised, a poem, some
sweet treats, a diary for thoughts, | 0:32:13 | 0:32:19 | |
colouring, for destruction, stressed
toys -- colouring for distraction, | 0:32:19 | 0:32:27 | |
stress toys. This is going to a girl
in Essex. Yes. Age? We're not sure. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:42 | |
The Government promised in 2015 £1.4
billion over five years to transform | 0:32:42 | 0:32:49 | |
child and adolescent mental health
services and they are committed to | 0:32:49 | 0:32:56 | |
employing more therapists and
supervisors, what do you say? A | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
little bit too late, really. The
help needs to happen now, it is | 0:33:00 | 0:33:05 | |
disgusting, when you look at primary
school, you can start to see | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
patterns of children's behaviour, we
are talking about as young as year | 0:33:09 | 0:33:16 | |
three, four, five, and, really, for
us, it is not websites that are | 0:33:16 | 0:33:21 | |
needed, paper information, ring this
number, it is face to face. People | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
need early intervention. Schools
need to have a person, whether a | 0:33:25 | 0:33:32 | |
specialist teacher or another type
of classroom assistant, that is | 0:33:32 | 0:33:37 | |
trained in recognising early-onset
adolescent mental health issues. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:45 | |
Because if Sherry had received the
help at 11, just before crossing | 0:33:45 | 0:33:51 | |
over to senior school, then she
would have been on the right track | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
and we may not have gone down the
road of self harm and all of the | 0:33:54 | 0:33:59 | |
other stuff. Actually, research
shows, self harm is a cry because | 0:33:59 | 0:34:10 | |
they get so far with their mental
health, there is nowhere to go in | 0:34:10 | 0:34:15 | |
their head, nowhere to go, and then
you get self harm. We have heard | 0:34:15 | 0:34:21 | |
stories of parents being given safe
self harming kits, that is | 0:34:21 | 0:34:26 | |
ludicrous. I do not understand, why
would we be reactive sea society | 0:34:26 | 0:34:32 | |
when we should be proactive and that
means getting children the help they | 0:34:32 | 0:34:38 | |
desperately need -- a reactive
society. We are working so hard to | 0:34:38 | 0:34:45 | |
help other parents, we have a secret
group for parents, carers, foster | 0:34:45 | 0:34:51 | |
carers, adoptive parents, whoever is
caring for a young person, and we | 0:34:51 | 0:34:56 | |
help them with different topics,
Q&As weekly, they can ask whatever | 0:34:56 | 0:35:03 | |
they like, we're not experts, we do
not claim to be experts, but what we | 0:35:03 | 0:35:09 | |
are is we are experienced in this
through our own experience. If we | 0:35:09 | 0:35:15 | |
can help, which they say we are
helping, it does not feel like we | 0:35:15 | 0:35:19 | |
are, but they say massively we are
helping, and if we can help one set | 0:35:19 | 0:35:25 | |
of parents, then, great. And Sherry
has come on board with the campaign | 0:35:25 | 0:35:30 | |
recently and she does more live
things on the site and interacts | 0:35:30 | 0:35:36 | |
with her audience and stuff like
that. That has been really positive | 0:35:36 | 0:35:41 | |
as well. Thank you. Well done. Thank
you very much for being on the | 0:35:41 | 0:35:47 | |
programme. If you want help or
advice on mental health issues, | 0:35:47 | 0:35:53 | |
please go to the BBC action line
website and I have got some messages | 0:35:53 | 0:35:59 | |
from you and a lot of love for you
as well, Sherry. I will read some of | 0:35:59 | 0:36:04 | |
those through the programme. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
Still to come... | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
It's seven years since
the war in Syria began. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
We'll speak to people living
through the conflict. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:12 | |
And could more than 100 homeless
people seeking shelter | 0:36:12 | 0:36:18 | |
in an empty commercial building
in central London be | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
forced to leave? | 0:36:20 | 0:36:25 | |
Time for the latest news. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:26 | |
Here's Annita. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
The BBC News
headlines this morning. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
The White House has given
its backing to Britain's | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
decision to expel Russian diplomats
in retaliation for the nerve | 0:36:33 | 0:36:37 | |
agent attack on Sergei
Skripal and his daughter. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
The US said it was a just response
and America stood in solidarity | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
with its closest ally. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
And in a hardening of
President Trump's tone on Russia, | 0:36:46 | 0:36:50 | |
his spokeswoman accused it
of undermining the security | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
of countries worldwide. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
23 staff at the Russian embassy
in London have been given | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
a week to leave the UK. | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
However, the Kremlin continues
to deny any involvement | 0:36:59 | 0:37:00 | |
in the attempted murder. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
The labratory
where scientists helped identify | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
the nerve agent used in Salisbury
is to get more funding from | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
the Government as part of a defence
modernisation programme. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
An extra £48 million
for a new Chemical Weapons Defence | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
Centre at Porton Down
will be announced by Gavin | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
Williamson in his first major speech
as Defence Secretary later today. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:26 | |
The investigation into the fire
at Grenfell Tower has | 0:37:26 | 0:37:28 | |
found the fire doors may not have
been as effective as they | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
were supposed to be. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:32 | |
The Metropolitan Police tested
a door designed to resist | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
fire for half an hour and found
that it only lasted 15 minutes. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
The investigation is ongoing. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:44 | |
The Brexit Secretary, David Davis,
has said he's prepared | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
to accept the EU's offer
of a shortened transition period, | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
after the UK leaves
the European Union in March, 2019. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
He said he would agree to a call
for the transition to end | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
in December, 2020, if that
helped to secure a deal at | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
next week's EU summit. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
The World Health Organization
is to carry out | 0:38:04 | 0:38:05 | |
a review of the potential impact
of plastic on human health. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:13 | |
It follows the release
of a new study by US researchers - | 0:38:13 | 0:38:17 | |
the largest of its kind -
which discovered plastic particles | 0:38:17 | 0:38:19 | |
in popular brands of bottled water. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
Scientists say that there is no
evidence yet to suggest | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
it is a cause for concern. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
In the past three years,
parents across England and Wales | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
have been fined about £24 million
for failing to send | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
their children to school. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
A BBC investigation also shows some
councils are issuing | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
penalties at rates five times higher
than the average. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:42 | |
Some parents say they now actively
budget for the cost of fines | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
when planning holidays. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
While some councils admit
they have become stricter, | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
they say they are protecting
the education of children. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:52 | |
That's a summary of
the latest BBC News. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:58 | |
We will bring you more detail on the
story reported on them, the flat | 0:38:58 | 0:39:05 | |
doors in Grenfell Tower could only
hold back a blaze for half the time | 0:39:05 | 0:39:10 | |
they were supposed to, according to
investigators. Messages from Europe | 0:39:10 | 0:39:14 | |
at the interview with Sherry, Marine
A says, I'm so pleased she is | 0:39:14 | 0:39:20 | |
receiving the treatment she
deserves. Incredibly brave. From an | 0:39:20 | 0:39:26 | |
18-year-old who does not wish us to
use her name, I'm 18, struggling | 0:39:26 | 0:39:31 | |
with depression and an eating
disorder after turning 16, in my | 0:39:31 | 0:39:35 | |
area, the way to be seen by a mental
health specialist was just under | 0:39:35 | 0:39:40 | |
three months. For someone struggling
a lot. But someone struggling a lot, | 0:39:40 | 0:39:45 | |
this time period was extensive and
unsuitable. Once I was finally seen, | 0:39:45 | 0:39:50 | |
it was difficult not to feel guilty
because you were constantly told how | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
many children were on waiting lists.
I felt like saying, you may as well | 0:39:54 | 0:39:58 | |
give it to them if they needed than
me. When I turned 18, I was going to | 0:39:58 | 0:40:03 | |
be discharged from the service. I
was at my worst in terms of my | 0:40:03 | 0:40:10 | |
mental state. Because of me becoming
an adult, it was overnight by mental | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
health team were no longer
interested in treating me. I had to | 0:40:14 | 0:40:18 | |
wait a further eight weeks to be
reviewed by a and adult dental | 0:40:18 | 0:40:24 | |
health team -- by an adult mental
health team. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:29 | |
Here's some sport now. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:30 | |
Chelsea were the latest British
team to be knocked out | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
of the Champions League last night
after a 3-0 defeat | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
awat at Barcelona. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:36 | |
Lionel Messi scored
twice on the night. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
It means Manchester City
and Liverpool are the only domestic | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
sides in the hat for
Friday's quarterfinal draw. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:47 | |
Good news for Arsenal fans -
the club secured its first piece | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
of silverware this season
as they shocked Manchester City | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
to win the Continental Tyres Cup -
it finished 1-0 thanks | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
to Vivienne Miedema's winner. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:55 | |
The Cheltenham Festival's all-time
leading rider Ruby Walsh will miss | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
the rest of this week's
event after a fall. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
Walsh has a suspected leg fracture
to the same leg with which he has | 0:41:01 | 0:41:05 | |
just spent four months away from the
sport with injury. Great Britain | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
cannot win a medal in the wheelchair
curling. Defeat to South Korea | 0:41:08 | 0:41:14 | |
earlier and Norway's victory over
Slovakia means the Brits cannot | 0:41:14 | 0:41:18 | |
reach the medal play-offs. More
sport in the next hour. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:23 | |
Seven years ago today, the first
deaths happened in what has | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
become the war in Syria. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
It started as a peaceful uprising,
and no-one expected the full-scale | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
conflict that unfolded. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
Since then, more than half
a million have been killed. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
6 million people have been forced
to leave their homes. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:37 | |
And 13 million have
needed humanitarian aid. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
It's a conflict that has
demonstrated both the best | 0:41:39 | 0:41:41 | |
and the worst of humanity. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:48 | |
Allegations of a leader using
chemical weapons on his own people | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
and starvation and malnutrition
in the harsh winter conditions. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:52 | |
The Syrian people remain caught
in an international power struggle | 0:41:52 | 0:42:00 | |
between those that support and those
that oppose President | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
Bashar Al-Assad. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:03 | |
This film is a snapshot of where
we are today in Syria's history. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:11 | |
It's complicated, so
you might want to sit | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
down and take it all in. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
Syria has now been at
war for seven years. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
And if anything, it's getting worse. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:27 | |
Peaceful protests turned
into a civil war, but, | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
and this is the key to understanding
what's really going on, | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
that civil war has now morphed
into something else, | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
a conflict of global dimensions
playing out within Syria. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:42 | |
In a second, we'll explore why,
but first, who is involved? | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
Well, you've still got the forces
of President Bashar al-Assad. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:50 | |
He's backed up by Russia,
as well as Iran and various | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
powerful Shia militias. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:54 | |
Then you've got the rebels. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
Now, they've been taking
an absolute battering, | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
but they are still fighting on. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:02 | |
Two of the biggest are called Jaysh
al-Islam and Ahrar al-Sham. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:05 | |
Up in the north are the Kurds. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
They're an ethnic group that
are spread right across the region, | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 | |
and now hold large areas
of the north of the country. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
They're allies of the US. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
There's also Turkey,
which is fighting Kurdish forces. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:20 | |
And Israel, which is launching air
strikes in the South. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:26 | |
And finally, the Islamic State
group, the fanatical jihadists | 0:43:26 | 0:43:28 | |
who took over large parts of Syria
and Iraq, grabbing the world's | 0:43:28 | 0:43:31 | |
attention with their brutality. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:33 | |
They've lost almost
all their territory, | 0:43:33 | 0:43:37 | |
but they are still a threat. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
But if you really want to understand
what's going on in Syria, | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
you need to know why
people are fighting. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:51 | |
Since the very start,
President Assad has had one | 0:43:52 | 0:43:55 | |
objective - staying in power. | 0:43:55 | 0:43:57 | |
And he's been prepared to do pretty
much anything to achieve it. | 0:43:57 | 0:44:04 | |
Although he denies it, the West has
accused him of war crimes. | 0:44:04 | 0:44:09 | |
From indiscriminate bombing,
to using chemical weapons, | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
his forces are thought to have been
responsible for most | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
of the conflict's deaths. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
Assad's main target has always been
the groups that he calls terrorists, | 0:44:17 | 0:44:19 | |
but most others call rebels. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
They share one aim -
to overthrow him. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:23 | |
But in truth, that's
really all they have | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
in common in many cases. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:28 | |
They started fighting
after the government's brutal | 0:44:28 | 0:44:32 | |
crackdown on peaceful protests
back in 2011. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:37 | |
And at first, they included army
defectors, members of civil society. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:40 | |
But as the war has ground
on and got more brutal, | 0:44:40 | 0:44:42 | |
many of them have been pushed
out or killed. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
Lots of the groups still fighting
are now hardline Islamists. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:52 | |
Finally, as I mentioned before,
you've got the Kurds in the north. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:56 | |
There is more than 20 million
of them across the region, | 0:44:56 | 0:44:59 | |
but they've never had
their own state. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:03 | |
Understanding that is crucial
to understanding the Kurds. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:05 | |
Soon after the start of the war,
Kurdish forces took control | 0:45:05 | 0:45:08 | |
of the area they call Rojava. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
That's after the
government pulled out. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:15 | |
Their main fight is for
autonomy and against IS. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:20 | |
But one of the reasons
Syria is such a mess | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
is because it's become a proxy war
for international powers. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
So why did they get involved? | 0:45:26 | 0:45:30 | |
Well, President Assad is Russia's
closest ally in the region. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:34 | |
If he fell, Russia would lose
its key foothold in the Middle East. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:38 | |
It would also lose Tartus,
its only Mediterranean port. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
It could not let that happen. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:45 | |
For Iran, this was partly
about supporting an old ally, | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
but more than that,
it was about countering | 0:45:48 | 0:45:50 | |
the influence of their regional
rivals, Saudi Arabia, | 0:45:50 | 0:45:52 | |
and spreading their own
influence across the region. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:56 | |
The consensus is that
in achieving their goals, | 0:45:56 | 0:45:59 | |
both Russia and Iran have
outplayed everyone else. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
While the US, Turkey and the Gulf
states offered some support | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
to various rebel groups,
Russia and Iran decided not only | 0:46:05 | 0:46:08 | |
that they wanted Assad to win,
but that they would make | 0:46:08 | 0:46:11 | |
sure he did. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:13 | |
Against Russian air power
and Iranian-backed militias, | 0:46:13 | 0:46:15 | |
the rebels have been badly
outmatched. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:19 | |
Now no one is seriously
talking about Assad being | 0:46:19 | 0:46:21 | |
forced to give up power. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:24 | |
The US always said it
wanted him to leave, | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
but never took decisive action
to actually make it happen. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:31 | |
Maybe as it feared
what would replace him. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:39 | |
The rise of IS, with their gruesome
propaganda, was a far more | 0:46:40 | 0:46:43 | |
straightforward enemy,
and became the focus. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:45 | |
The US worked with, trained
and armed a group called | 0:46:45 | 0:46:47 | |
The Syrian Democratic Forces. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:49 | |
Although they're mostly made up
of Kurdish fighters called the YPG. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
They were crucial in driving IS out
of north-eastern Syria. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:56 | |
One of Turkey's main roles has been
giving shelter to millions | 0:46:56 | 0:47:00 | |
of Syrians fleeing the conflict,
but they've also supported | 0:47:00 | 0:47:03 | |
the rebel group called
the Free Syrian Army, | 0:47:03 | 0:47:08 | |
and are accused
of funding jihadists. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:11 | |
Turkey also fears Kurdish autonomy
in Syria, as it thinks it would fuel | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
separatism in Turkey. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:15 | |
And so it's launched
a war against the YPG, | 0:47:15 | 0:47:17 | |
who it says are terrorists. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
Although remember, the YPG
are the same fighters who are armed | 0:47:20 | 0:47:22 | |
by and allied with the US. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
As a consequence, Turkey,
a member of Nato, is now working | 0:47:25 | 0:47:28 | |
closely with Russia. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:34 | |
Down south, Israel's main concern
has been the growing | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
influence of its arch foe,
Iran, and high-tech weaponry getting | 0:47:37 | 0:47:40 | |
in the hands of Hezbollah. | 0:47:40 | 0:47:45 | |
And so a global conflict plays out
within Syria's borders, | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
with Russia now calling the shots. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
The war in Syria is as complicated
and bloody as ever. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:55 | |
People are still dying. | 0:47:55 | 0:47:56 | |
Lives are still being torn apart. | 0:47:56 | 0:47:59 | |
And the nation, global powers
and, most importantly, | 0:47:59 | 0:48:01 | |
the people of Syria,
are being drawn further | 0:48:01 | 0:48:04 | |
into a situation that it's hard
to see a way out of. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:12 | |
Let's talk now to Ishmael Hamoud. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:17 | |
He is the first unaccompanied child
to enter the UK under | 0:48:17 | 0:48:21 | |
the Dubs Amendment -
that's a tweak to a piece of EU law | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
which means a number of children
with no family in the UK have been | 0:48:24 | 0:48:27 | |
able to come here to live. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:31 | |
Ahmad Khanshour lives
in Eastern Ghouta where thousands | 0:48:31 | 0:48:33 | |
of people have been killed over
the past three weeks. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:37 | |
Lina Shamy left Eastern Aleppo
during the violence | 0:48:37 | 0:48:40 | |
with her husband. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:47 | |
Bissan Fakih is a human rights
activist - she escaped from Syria | 0:48:47 | 0:48:50 | |
to neighbouring Lebanon. | 0:48:50 | 0:48:51 | |
Thank you for talking to us. We
spoke to you a couple of weeks ago | 0:48:51 | 0:48:57 | |
in Eastern Ghouta, and our audience
knows it has been bombarded by your | 0:48:57 | 0:49:02 | |
government. What's it been like
since then? Good morning, and thank | 0:49:02 | 0:49:07 | |
you for having me again. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:12 | |
you for having me again. Assad
exaggerates his violence, using | 0:49:13 | 0:49:18 | |
another attempt, and his friends
have made it clear they disrespect | 0:49:18 | 0:49:24 | |
the whole world and international
community. 600 civilians have been | 0:49:24 | 0:49:31 | |
killed since the resolution in the
UN was passed. I can read to your | 0:49:31 | 0:49:36 | |
message from a doctor in a recently
surrounded town in Eastern Ghouta. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:43 | |
We heard last from him yesterday and
nobody knows what has happened there | 0:49:43 | 0:49:49 | |
since. He says, this town is being
eliminated. The regime army has | 0:49:49 | 0:49:57 | |
entered the town from the East. I
tried to flee out but couldn't. Our | 0:49:57 | 0:50:03 | |
whole family was killed in front of
me by an air strike. I returned my | 0:50:03 | 0:50:11 | |
children to the shelter and came out
alone to tell our story. The army is | 0:50:11 | 0:50:15 | |
advancing from different points.
Tens of people have been killed, | 0:50:15 | 0:50:19 | |
more than 5000 people in the town
are threatened with elimination. | 0:50:19 | 0:50:25 | |
Please send our message to the rest
of the world. This may be the last | 0:50:25 | 0:50:29 | |
message I can send. The wounded are
on the streets and cannot be | 0:50:29 | 0:50:33 | |
transferred. They are targeting any
moving object. Families are trying | 0:50:33 | 0:50:42 | |
to flee under shelling. We don't
know what has happened to them. The | 0:50:42 | 0:50:48 | |
regime army is shelling the town
with all sorts of weapons and we | 0:50:48 | 0:50:52 | |
don't know what happened to the
family that fled under the shelling. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:56 | |
There are many casualties on the
streets, nobody is aiding them. | 0:50:56 | 0:51:02 | |
Their fate is unknown. We don't know
what will happen to us. There are | 0:51:02 | 0:51:10 | |
machine guns, artillery shelling and
air strikes targeting people who are | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
trying to flee. Please help the town
by bringing our voices to the world. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:23 | |
We know we only have God, and this
might be the last message from me | 0:51:23 | 0:51:27 | |
and people in this town. And you
don't know if the man who posted | 0:51:27 | 0:51:34 | |
that message is alive or dead? No,
we have no news about 5000 people in | 0:51:34 | 0:51:41 | |
that town from last night. We hear
all kinds of weapons are used there. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:47 | |
It's very close to us but surrounded
by the regime army. We are expecting | 0:51:47 | 0:51:52 | |
the worst. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:57 | |
the worst. Lina, you got out of
Syria. What do you remember about | 0:52:00 | 0:52:03 | |
the conflict beginning? Hello and
thank you for having me here. First, | 0:52:03 | 0:52:12 | |
let me put things in context. The
situation in Syria is compensated | 0:52:12 | 0:52:20 | |
just as the international community
wants it to be complicated. -- is | 0:52:20 | 0:52:25 | |
complicated. What happened was a
revolution against the dictatorship. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:35 | |
It's a brutal dictatorship, like
Nazis in the Middle East. | 0:52:36 | 0:52:45 | |
Nazis in the Middle East. The world
and international community wants it | 0:52:45 | 0:52:47 | |
to stay. What happened in Syria was
a revolution against this | 0:52:47 | 0:52:53 | |
dictatorship who is exterminating
its people, doing a war against them | 0:52:53 | 0:52:59 | |
with the help of the Russians and
Iran, the help of Iranians militias, | 0:52:59 | 0:53:06 | |
underground. And also with the help
of the silence of the international | 0:53:06 | 0:53:09 | |
community. These terrorist
countries, Russia, the Assad regime, | 0:53:09 | 0:53:17 | |
and Iran, were violating the
international community resolutions. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:25 | |
All these seven years. And there was
no action at all. This is why the | 0:53:25 | 0:53:33 | |
international community contributed
in killing the Syrian people and | 0:53:33 | 0:53:39 | |
violence, the depths of thousands
and thousands of civilians, millions | 0:53:39 | 0:53:44 | |
of them. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:49 | |
of them. Let me ask for a reaction
to that. Lina is right, the | 0:53:50 | 0:53:55 | |
international community has past few
resolutions and hasn't done a thing. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:59 | |
This is the pattern we have seen
since the absolute beginning of the | 0:53:59 | 0:54:02 | |
uprising. Activists from the first
day were risking their lives, images | 0:54:02 | 0:54:12 | |
of the beautiful protest they were
holding. They were disappeared for | 0:54:12 | 0:54:16 | |
trying to communicate to the outside
world that they were protesting for | 0:54:16 | 0:54:19 | |
freedom and being shot at. The
international community has shown so | 0:54:19 | 0:54:24 | |
much indifference. You are right in
saying earlier that this is the best | 0:54:24 | 0:54:28 | |
and worst of humanity we are seeing
in Syria. We have witnessed people | 0:54:28 | 0:54:33 | |
fending for each other in the
country. We have witnessed | 0:54:33 | 0:54:36 | |
protesters risking their lives to
tell the truth. We have witnessed | 0:54:36 | 0:54:40 | |
doctors trying to treat patients
under the lights of flashlights | 0:54:40 | 0:54:43 | |
because there is no electricity. We
have witnessed White helmets saving | 0:54:43 | 0:54:47 | |
civilians from bombs. All this time
we have known exactly what is | 0:54:47 | 0:54:51 | |
happening because people risk their
lives to show us, but we have let | 0:54:51 | 0:54:55 | |
them down miserably. The
international community has had | 0:54:55 | 0:54:58 | |
absolutely no backbone and frankly
we should be ashamed, particularly | 0:54:58 | 0:55:03 | |
compared to the stunning bravery
shown by the Syrian people in the | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
last few years. How long do you
think this war will go on for? Thank | 0:55:06 | 0:55:13 | |
you for having me here. This war,
after seven years of fighting and | 0:55:13 | 0:55:21 | |
killing and the conflict in Syria,
we hope it will finish soon, as soon | 0:55:21 | 0:55:27 | |
as is because the international
community should now move and work | 0:55:27 | 0:55:30 | |
together. We want to build hope,
British, French and American people, | 0:55:30 | 0:55:37 | |
should try to stop the war there
because Russia, the first | 0:55:37 | 0:55:41 | |
responsible country of what is
happening in the Syria now, with the | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
support of the Iranians people, it's
eight criminal and chemical | 0:55:44 | 0:55:50 | |
government. You were 11 when the
conflict started and you are now a | 0:55:50 | 0:55:55 | |
young man. The conflict continues,
despite your president crossing what | 0:55:55 | 0:56:01 | |
was called a red line by then US
president Obama by using chemical | 0:56:01 | 0:56:06 | |
weapons against his people. What
should happen? They should work | 0:56:06 | 0:56:09 | |
together. Russia has used its vote
more than ten times in the UN | 0:56:09 | 0:56:20 | |
Security Council, creating problems
for the Syrian people. They built | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
their hope on the western war. Thank
you so much for coming on the | 0:56:23 | 0:56:33 | |
programme. We appreciate it, and
will continue to report on it. We | 0:56:33 | 0:56:39 | |
will see how and when it ends. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:44 | |
We will bring you the latest news
and sport in a moment. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:49 | |
In the past half hour,
we've had an update | 0:56:49 | 0:56:52 | |
from the Metropolitan Police
about the Grenfell | 0:56:52 | 0:56:54 | |
Tower fire last June. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:55 | |
Our correspondent,
Lucinda Adam, is here. | 0:56:55 | 0:56:58 | |
Tell us what they have told us.
Witnesses to the Grenfell Tower Fire | 0:56:58 | 0:57:05 | |
and emergency services were shocked
by how quickly the fire spread | 0:57:05 | 0:57:08 | |
around the building. We know 71
people died and dozens were injured | 0:57:08 | 0:57:14 | |
when the fire happened last June in
a tower block. Now a door from the | 0:57:14 | 0:57:19 | |
Grenfell Tower, it has been found it
could only hold backfire for half | 0:57:19 | 0:57:22 | |
the time it was meant to. The
Metropolitan Police told us that | 0:57:22 | 0:57:26 | |
this morning. They have done tests
on the door, it was designed to hold | 0:57:26 | 0:57:30 | |
back a fire for 30 minutes, but
after expert tests, they found it | 0:57:30 | 0:57:34 | |
only held it back for 15 minutes,
and the Metropolitan Police describe | 0:57:34 | 0:57:38 | |
it as a much shorter period than
expected. How does this lead into | 0:57:38 | 0:57:42 | |
the wider enquiries as to how the
fire happened and how it spread so | 0:57:42 | 0:57:47 | |
rapidly? The Metropolitan Police are
still in the middle of looking at | 0:57:47 | 0:57:51 | |
that, carrying out forensic
examinations at the scene and also | 0:57:51 | 0:57:55 | |
expert tests off-site. They say they
will not say at the moment whether | 0:57:55 | 0:57:59 | |
any test results will have any
implications on an overall criminal | 0:57:59 | 0:58:04 | |
investigation, but they have said
that officers have shared their | 0:58:04 | 0:58:06 | |
findings with the Ministry of
Housing and Department for | 0:58:06 | 0:58:10 | |
Communities and Local Government,
for them to take any action | 0:58:10 | 0:58:13 | |
required. Housing Secretary Sajid
Javid is going to make a statement | 0:58:13 | 0:58:18 | |
on the subject from 11:30am which
people can watch here on BBC news. | 0:58:18 | 0:58:23 | |
No information yet on who made the
doors, who manufactured them, who | 0:58:23 | 0:58:27 | |
supplied them and who put them into
Grenfell Tower. The news and sport | 0:58:27 | 0:58:32 | |
is coming up at 10am. | 0:58:32 | 0:58:33 | |
Let's get the latest
weather update with Alina. | 0:58:33 | 0:58:36 | |
I thought I would start with some
sunshine, there has been some around | 0:58:38 | 0:58:42 | |
today. For large parts of the
country it has looks like this, a | 0:58:42 | 0:58:48 | |
lot of rain around. Northern Ireland
has seen 50 millimetres in the last | 0:58:48 | 0:58:51 | |
24 hours with more to come. Rain in
the short-term, but over the next | 0:58:51 | 0:58:57 | |
24-48 hours it will turn colder.
Picking up an easterly wind, and it | 0:58:57 | 0:59:02 | |
will feed into some snow across the
weekend. The band of rain this | 0:59:02 | 0:59:06 | |
afternoon clearing away eventually
in Northern Ireland and its way | 0:59:06 | 0:59:11 | |
north east across northern ingot and
south-west Scotland. North-east | 0:59:11 | 0:59:14 | |
Scotland will stay largely dry but
it's very windy with wind extending | 0:59:14 | 0:59:19 | |
down the east coast. Some rain
showers could be heavily heavy and | 0:59:19 | 0:59:23 | |
thundery. We will keep the strength
of the wind. Snow over higher ground | 0:59:23 | 0:59:32 | |
in Scotland. Another band of showery
rain pushing in from the south-west | 0:59:32 | 0:59:35 | |
affecting parts of England and Wales
and temperatures overnight between | 0:59:35 | 0:59:40 | |
three and seven Celsius. Colder air
coming into Scotland could see icy | 0:59:40 | 0:59:44 | |
stretches tomorrow morning and
further snow, both the other high | 0:59:44 | 0:59:48 | |
ground but extending to lower parts
in northern England. Sunshine and | 0:59:48 | 0:59:53 | |
showers in the south, but they could
be heavy and thundery with some hail | 0:59:53 | 0:59:56 | |
thrown in. Mild across central and
southern England but colder further | 0:59:56 | 1:00:03 | |
north and a sign of what's to come
over the weekend because we will | 1:00:03 | 1:00:06 | |
once again pick up an easterly wind.
The blue colours indicating the cold | 1:00:06 | 1:00:13 | |
temperatures, not as cold as earlier
in the month, but a dip in | 1:00:13 | 1:00:17 | |
temperature and a sharp shock to the
system on Saturday. We could see | 1:00:17 | 1:00:22 | |
snow overnight. Sunny spells and
snow showers. Adding on the strength | 1:00:22 | 1:00:25 | |
of the wind and it will feel
bitterly cold. Temperatures dropping | 1:00:25 | 1:00:29 | |
in places by 8-10d. The monitor
might read 2 degrees, but given the | 1:00:29 | 1:00:36 | |
strength of the wind it will be
bitterly cold. On Sunday, this | 1:00:36 | 1:00:39 | |
feature will be pushing up from the
south and it could potentially bring | 1:00:39 | 1:00:44 | |
some significant snow to parts of
southern England and Wales. In | 1:00:44 | 1:00:51 | |
uncertainty to the timings but we
will likely see some snow around on | 1:00:51 | 1:00:54 | |
Sunday and it will feel really cold
with temperatures struggling to get | 1:00:54 | 1:00:58 | |
above freezing. Adding on the
strength of the wind and it will | 1:00:58 | 1:01:01 | |
feel subzero. | 1:01:01 | 1:01:08 | |
Hello, it's 10am, I'm
Victoria Derbyshire. | 1:01:23 | 1:01:25 | |
President Trump comes out in support
of the UK's decision to expel 23 | 1:01:25 | 1:01:28 | |
Russian diplomats from Britain
after the nerve agent | 1:01:28 | 1:01:30 | |
attack in Salisbury. | 1:01:30 | 1:01:31 | |
The United States stands in absolute
solidarity with Great Britain. | 1:01:31 | 1:01:33 | |
The United States
believes that Russia | 1:01:33 | 1:01:35 | |
is responsible for the attack on two
people in the United Kingdom, using | 1:01:35 | 1:01:38 | |
a military grade nerve agent. | 1:01:38 | 1:01:39 | |
We will get reaction. | 1:01:39 | 1:01:40 | |
Also coming up on the programme... | 1:01:40 | 1:01:42 | |
Sherry Denness was 17
when she attempted to take her own | 1:01:42 | 1:01:45 | |
life nine times in ten
days at the end of last | 1:01:45 | 1:01:47 | |
year - before she got
the help she needed. | 1:01:47 | 1:01:50 | |
She told us about the problems
she and her family faced | 1:01:50 | 1:01:52 | |
in getting the right support. | 1:01:52 | 1:01:55 | |
I have been dealt with a lot in
hospitals, paediatric wards, and it | 1:01:55 | 1:02:05 | |
is just... There is this massive to
do about it and no one wants to talk | 1:02:05 | 1:02:09 | |
about it, no one wants to help. One
viewer says the entire mental health | 1:02:09 | 1:02:15 | |
system in our country needs a
complete overhaul and it is not fit | 1:02:15 | 1:02:18 | |
for purpose in its current state.
More messages from you so why will | 1:02:18 | 1:02:24 | |
read those in the next hour. Also... | 1:02:24 | 1:02:29 | |
Working repeated shifts for free -
and with no offer | 1:02:29 | 1:02:31 | |
of a job at the end. | 1:02:31 | 1:02:33 | |
As calls to ban the practice
of unpaid trial shifts are debated | 1:02:33 | 1:02:36 | |
in Parliament, do let us
know your experiences. | 1:02:36 | 1:02:38 | |
And we'll hear about the latest
fitness craze - beer yoga - | 1:02:38 | 1:02:41 | |
where you can enjoy sipping a nice
cold lager while doing | 1:02:41 | 1:02:43 | |
the downward dog. | 1:02:43 | 1:02:50 | |
Good morning. | 1:02:51 | 1:02:53 | |
Here's Annita McVeigh
in the BBC Newsroom | 1:02:53 | 1:02:54 | |
with a summary of today's news. | 1:02:54 | 1:02:58 | |
Good morning. | 1:02:58 | 1:02:59 | |
The White House has
given its backing to Britain's | 1:02:59 | 1:03:01 | |
decision to expel Russian diplomats
in retaliation for the nerve | 1:03:01 | 1:03:03 | |
agent attack on Sergei
Skripal and his daughter. | 1:03:03 | 1:03:06 | |
The US said it was a just response
and America stood in solidarity | 1:03:06 | 1:03:10 | |
with its closest ally. | 1:03:10 | 1:03:12 | |
Russia says it is working
on retaliatory measures | 1:03:12 | 1:03:15 | |
after 23 of its diplomats
were expelled from Britain. | 1:03:15 | 1:03:21 | |
The labratory where scientists
helped identify the nerve agent used | 1:03:21 | 1:03:27 | |
in Salisbury is to get more
funding from the Government | 1:03:27 | 1:03:29 | |
as part of a defence
modernisation programme. | 1:03:29 | 1:03:31 | |
An extra £48 million
for a new Chemical Weapons Defence | 1:03:31 | 1:03:35 | |
Centre at Porton Down
will be announced by Gavin | 1:03:35 | 1:03:40 | |
Williamson in his first major speech
as Defence Secretary later today. | 1:03:40 | 1:03:46 | |
The investigation into the fire
at Grenfell Tower has | 1:03:46 | 1:03:48 | |
found the fire doors may not have
been as effective as they | 1:03:48 | 1:03:51 | |
were supposed to be. | 1:03:51 | 1:03:52 | |
The Metropolitan Police tested
a door designed to resist fire | 1:03:52 | 1:03:54 | |
for half an hour and found that it
only lasted 15 minutes. | 1:03:54 | 1:03:57 | |
The investigation is ongoing. | 1:03:57 | 1:03:59 | |
The Brexit Secretary,
David Davis, has said he's prepared | 1:03:59 | 1:04:01 | |
to accept the EU's offer
of a shortened transition period, | 1:04:01 | 1:04:04 | |
after the UK leaves
the European Union in March, 2019. | 1:04:04 | 1:04:06 | |
He said he would agree to a call
for the transition to end | 1:04:06 | 1:04:09 | |
in December, 2020, if that
helped to secure a deal at | 1:04:09 | 1:04:12 | |
next week's EU summit. | 1:04:12 | 1:04:18 | |
The World Health Organization
is to carry out a review | 1:04:18 | 1:04:22 | |
of the potential impact
of plastic on human health. | 1:04:22 | 1:04:24 | |
It follows the release
of a new study by US researchers - | 1:04:24 | 1:04:29 | |
the largest of its kind -
which discovered plastic particles | 1:04:29 | 1:04:31 | |
in popular brands of bottled water. | 1:04:31 | 1:04:38 | |
Scientists say there is no evidence
yet to suggest it is a cause for | 1:04:38 | 1:04:42 | |
concern. | 1:04:42 | 1:04:45 | |
A 20-year-old woman has been
jailed for six months | 1:04:45 | 1:04:47 | |
in the American state of Minnesota
for fatally shooting her boyfriend | 1:04:47 | 1:04:50 | |
in a botched YouTube video
they hoped would go viral. | 1:04:50 | 1:04:52 | |
Pedro Ruiz convinced Monalisa Perez
to shoot him at close range | 1:04:52 | 1:04:55 | |
with a powerful pistol,
believing that a thick | 1:04:55 | 1:04:57 | |
book he held in front
of his chest would shield him. | 1:04:57 | 1:05:00 | |
He died at the scene. | 1:05:00 | 1:05:07 | |
In the past three years, parents
across England and Wales have been | 1:05:07 | 1:05:11 | |
fined around £24 million for failing
to send their children to school. A | 1:05:11 | 1:05:16 | |
BBC investigation shows some
councils are you issuing penalties | 1:05:16 | 1:05:19 | |
at rates five times higher than the
average and some parents say they | 1:05:19 | 1:05:23 | |
now actively budget for the cost of
fines when planning holidays. Some | 1:05:23 | 1:05:27 | |
councils admit they have become
stricter but they say they are | 1:05:27 | 1:05:31 | |
protecting the education of
children. Some MPs and lawyers have | 1:05:31 | 1:05:35 | |
called for a blanket ban on page
shiftwork. Companies currently | 1:05:35 | 1:05:38 | |
invite prospective employees to do
trial shifts. But there has been a | 1:05:38 | 1:05:45 | |
sixfold increase over three years in
complaints about unpaid shifts | 1:05:45 | 1:05:49 | |
according to the trade union Unite.
On Friday a Private Members' Bill | 1:05:49 | 1:05:55 | |
seeking to make unpaid trials
illegal will get its second | 1:05:55 | 1:06:00 | |
parliamentary reading. | 1:06:00 | 1:06:01 | |
That's a summary of
the latest BBC News. | 1:06:01 | 1:06:03 | |
More at 10.30am. | 1:06:03 | 1:06:05 | |
This tweet, I have borderline
personality disorder, I often | 1:06:05 | 1:06:09 | |
describe it as the angel on one
shoulder, the devil on the other. I | 1:06:09 | 1:06:13 | |
eventually received the right
treatment. I hope the beautiful | 1:06:13 | 1:06:18 | |
young woman on your programme today,
Sherry, gets the right help. | 1:06:18 | 1:06:22 | |
Caroline says, I was 45 and had of
short-term psychotic breakdown. My | 1:06:22 | 1:06:27 | |
brother-in-law took me to A&E with
hallucinations and flashing lights | 1:06:27 | 1:06:32 | |
at 3:30am, I asked her sleeping
tablets, they sent me home with | 1:06:32 | 1:06:37 | |
nothing. At 9pm the next night, I
attempted to take my own life. A&E | 1:06:37 | 1:06:42 | |
have failed me. There are a number
of those which I will read through | 1:06:42 | 1:06:47 | |
the next hour of the programme. If
you want to send us an e-mail, you | 1:06:47 | 1:06:51 | |
do not have to use your name, you
can use Twitter, and if you text, | 1:06:51 | 1:06:56 | |
you will be charged that the
standard network rate. | 1:06:56 | 1:07:01 | |
Here's some sport now with Hugh. | 1:07:01 | 1:07:03 | |
Well, we knew it was a sizeable
task for Chelsea in | 1:07:03 | 1:07:05 | |
the Champions League,
away at Spanish League leaders | 1:07:05 | 1:07:07 | |
Barcelona, and as some may have
predicted, a great performance | 1:07:07 | 1:07:11 | |
from five-time Ballon D'or winner
Lionel Messi was the difference. | 1:07:11 | 1:07:19 | |
He scored two and set the other
up in their 3-0 win. | 1:07:20 | 1:07:22 | |
The first came after just
a couple of minutes, | 1:07:22 | 1:07:25 | |
deceiving Thibaut Courtois
in the Chelsea goal, | 1:07:25 | 1:07:26 | |
before his second -
different end, different | 1:07:26 | 1:07:28 | |
foot, same result. | 1:07:28 | 1:07:36 | |
A 4-1 aggregate win for Messi
and Barca which means | 1:07:36 | 1:07:38 | |
Liverpool and Manchester City | 1:07:38 | 1:07:39 | |
will be the two British
clubs in the quarterfinal | 1:07:39 | 1:07:42 | |
draw tomorrow. | 1:07:42 | 1:07:43 | |
Our start was terrible, to concede a
goal after only two minutes, but | 1:07:43 | 1:07:49 | |
after this, I think we tried to play
football. For a long time, we | 1:07:49 | 1:08:00 | |
dominated, we created chances to
score. | 1:08:00 | 1:08:03 | |
There were better scenes
for Arsenal's Women last night. | 1:08:03 | 1:08:05 | |
They stunned favourites
Manchester City to win | 1:08:05 | 1:08:07 | |
the Continental Tyres Cup
for a record fifth time | 1:08:07 | 1:08:09 | |
1-0, thanks to Vivianne
Miedema's goal. | 1:08:09 | 1:08:11 | |
England Rugby Union head coach
Eddie Jones has apologised | 1:08:11 | 1:08:15 | |
for making derogatory comments
regarding Ireland and Wales. | 1:08:15 | 1:08:19 | |
At a sponsors' talk last summer,
it's emerged he described the Irish | 1:08:19 | 1:08:24 | |
as "scummy" and Wales as, well,
not a very nice little | 1:08:24 | 1:08:29 | |
place, shall we say? | 1:08:29 | 1:08:32 | |
Well, Jones has apologised
unreservedly, adding, "No excuses, | 1:08:32 | 1:08:34 | |
I shouldn't have said what I did." | 1:08:34 | 1:08:39 | |
England host Ireland
in the Six Nations at | 1:08:39 | 1:08:41 | |
Twickenham on Saturday. | 1:08:41 | 1:08:42 | |
It's day three of the Cheltenham
Festival but it'll be missing one | 1:08:42 | 1:08:45 | |
of racing's biggest stars. | 1:08:45 | 1:08:46 | |
That's after a serious injury
to jockey Ruby Walsh yesterday. | 1:08:46 | 1:08:49 | |
He went to hospital with a suspected
broken leg when he fell | 1:08:49 | 1:08:52 | |
at the second last fence. | 1:08:52 | 1:08:53 | |
He broke the same leg four months
ago and had only just | 1:08:53 | 1:08:56 | |
made his return to racing. | 1:08:56 | 1:08:58 | |
Now he'll miss the rest
of the festival, including | 1:08:58 | 1:09:00 | |
Friday's Gold Cup. | 1:09:00 | 1:09:02 | |
But on a difficult day
for the Walsh family, | 1:09:02 | 1:09:07 | |
there was some success
for Ruby's sister, Katy. | 1:09:07 | 1:09:15 | |
She won on board the
25-to-1 shot Relegate | 1:09:17 | 1:09:18 | |
in the final race of the day. | 1:09:18 | 1:09:21 | |
The big race of the day, though,
was the Queen Mother Champion Chase. | 1:09:21 | 1:09:24 | |
It was billed as a straight fight
between the British trained Altior | 1:09:24 | 1:09:27 | |
and Irish horse Douvan. | 1:09:27 | 1:09:28 | |
But after Douvan fell
with four fences to jump, | 1:09:28 | 1:09:30 | |
the evens favourite Altior ridden
by Nico de Boinville easily came | 1:09:30 | 1:09:33 | |
home first in the end. | 1:09:33 | 1:09:34 | |
And Great Britain can't win a medal
in the wheelchair curling | 1:09:34 | 1:09:37 | |
at the Winter Parlympics. | 1:09:37 | 1:09:38 | |
Earlier they lost to hosts Korea
in their penultimate | 1:09:38 | 1:09:40 | |
round-robin match. | 1:09:40 | 1:09:41 | |
That result meant they had to rely
on others to see if they could make | 1:09:41 | 1:09:45 | |
the medal playoffs. | 1:09:45 | 1:09:47 | |
But in the afternoon session,
Norway's victory over Slovakia means | 1:09:47 | 1:09:51 | |
that Britain are out,
even if they win their final pool | 1:09:51 | 1:09:53 | |
match against China. | 1:09:53 | 1:09:56 | |
More sport later on. Thank you. | 1:09:56 | 1:10:01 | |
The United States says it stands
in solidarity with the UK | 1:10:01 | 1:10:04 | |
following the Prime Minister's
decision to expel 23 Russian | 1:10:04 | 1:10:06 | |
diplomats after Moscow refused
to explain how a Russian-made nerve | 1:10:06 | 1:10:08 | |
agent was used in a murder
attempt on a former spy. | 1:10:08 | 1:10:11 | |
Theresa May has also
revoked an invitation | 1:10:11 | 1:10:15 | |
to Russia's foreign minister
and said the royal family would not | 1:10:15 | 1:10:17 | |
attend the Fifa World
Cup later this year. | 1:10:17 | 1:10:22 | |
The Russian Embassy
said the expulsions | 1:10:22 | 1:10:25 | |
were "unacceptable,
unjustified and short-sighted". | 1:10:25 | 1:10:27 | |
In a hardening of President Trump's
tone on Russia, his spokeswoman | 1:10:27 | 1:10:29 | |
accused it of undermining
the security of countries worldwide. | 1:10:29 | 1:10:32 | |
The White House's comment
were echoed by the US | 1:10:32 | 1:10:35 | |
Ambassador to the UN, Nikki Haley,
during an emergency meeting | 1:10:35 | 1:10:37 | |
of the Security Council. | 1:10:37 | 1:10:43 | |
The United States stands in absolute
solidarity with Great Britain. The | 1:10:43 | 1:10:49 | |
United States believes Russia is
responsible for the attack on two | 1:10:49 | 1:10:52 | |
people in the UK using a military
grade nerve agent but this is not an | 1:10:52 | 1:10:57 | |
isolated incident. The assassination
attempt in Salisbury is part of an | 1:10:57 | 1:11:02 | |
alarming increase in the use of
chemical weapons. Russia must fully | 1:11:02 | 1:11:06 | |
cooperate with the UK's
investigation and come clean about | 1:11:06 | 1:11:11 | |
its own chemical weapons programme.
Russia is a permanent member of the | 1:11:11 | 1:11:16 | |
Security Council. It is entrusted in
the United Nations Charter with | 1:11:16 | 1:11:21 | |
upholding international peace and
security. It must account for | 1:11:21 | 1:11:24 | |
exceptions. We have a lot of people
to speak to. Let us introduce them. | 1:11:24 | 1:11:32 | |
Let's speak now to Mark Lyall-Grant,
a former National Security Adviser | 1:11:32 | 1:11:34 | |
and UK Ambassador to the UN. | 1:11:34 | 1:11:38 | |
Oliver Miles, Ambassador to Libya
when PC Yvonne Fletcher | 1:11:38 | 1:11:40 | |
was killed and Britain severed
diplomatic ties with them, | 1:11:40 | 1:11:42 | |
and Hamish De Bretton Gordon,
who is the former commanding officer | 1:11:42 | 1:11:44 | |
of the British Army's Chemical,
Biological, Radiological | 1:11:44 | 1:11:46 | |
and Nuclear Regiment. | 1:11:46 | 1:11:54 | |
Chris Bryant - | 1:11:55 | 1:11:56 | |
Labour MP, Chair of
the all-party group on Russia | 1:11:56 | 1:11:58 | |
and member of the Foreign
Affairs Select Committee. | 1:11:58 | 1:12:00 | |
The significance of Donald Trump
racking Theresa May. It is very | 1:12:00 | 1:12:05 | |
significant, there were some
concerns he had not been as | 1:12:05 | 1:12:09 | |
forthright as he might have been --
racking Theresa May. Following | 1:12:09 | 1:12:13 | |
comments by the ambassador at the UN
last night, extremely strong, the | 1:12:13 | 1:12:18 | |
White House itself has come out and
echoed those comments and I think | 1:12:18 | 1:12:21 | |
that is really important because
part of the purpose behind last | 1:12:21 | 1:12:26 | |
night's emergency meeting of the UN
Security Council was to secure | 1:12:26 | 1:12:30 | |
messages of support from our allies
and friends around the world and to | 1:12:30 | 1:12:35 | |
bring to the attention of the
international community the facts of | 1:12:35 | 1:12:39 | |
this horrendous case. Oliver Miles,
what should happen now? I think | 1:12:39 | 1:12:45 | |
there are two points I would like to
make about the Libyan affair which I | 1:12:45 | 1:12:50 | |
was involved in in 1984 when I was
responsible for breaking off | 1:12:50 | 1:12:53 | |
relations with the Libyan
government. One which struck me when | 1:12:53 | 1:12:57 | |
I read recently, I did not know at
the time, was Mrs Thatcher, the | 1:12:57 | 1:13:01 | |
Prime Minister at the time, very
reluctant at first to break off | 1:13:01 | 1:13:05 | |
relations because she could see the
consequences were literally | 1:13:05 | 1:13:09 | |
incalculable, unforeseeable. The
second point I want to make, the | 1:13:09 | 1:13:15 | |
consequences were in fact very bad
for Britain because it was after we | 1:13:15 | 1:13:18 | |
broke off relations that Gaddafi
gave some text of the IRA which was | 1:13:18 | 1:13:22 | |
I think the most damaging thing he
ever did -- | 1:13:22 | 1:13:31 | |
ever did -- gave Semtex. The lesson
I would draw in a word from that | 1:13:31 | 1:13:34 | |
event to be applied in the present
crisis is, think carefully before | 1:13:34 | 1:13:40 | |
you act, take it slowly. Let me
bring in Chris Bryant, Labour MP, | 1:13:40 | 1:13:44 | |
that is potentially what your leader
is saying, some believe he is, but | 1:13:44 | 1:13:50 | |
there are Labour MPs criticising him
for not condemning Russia, for not | 1:13:50 | 1:13:55 | |
apportioning blame to Russia? I do
not think the important point at | 1:13:55 | 1:13:59 | |
this stage is what the Labour Party
thinks, if I'm honest. The Leader of | 1:13:59 | 1:14:04 | |
the Opposition, he wants to be in
Number 10. I fully understand that, | 1:14:04 | 1:14:08 | |
but I think this is really about how
Britain make sure we in this country | 1:14:08 | 1:14:13 | |
are safe, it is about how the
international community comes | 1:14:13 | 1:14:17 | |
together to say to Russia that we
will not put up with this. I think, | 1:14:17 | 1:14:22 | |
for instance, removing 23 diplomats
from the UK will seriously degrade | 1:14:22 | 1:14:29 | |
their ability to gather intelligence
in the UK and that is an important | 1:14:29 | 1:14:32 | |
factor. I do not think Theresa May
has over at the pudding, if | 1:14:32 | 1:14:37 | |
anything, she has gone admirably
steadily and there may be further | 1:14:37 | 1:14:43 | |
things she wants to do, I would be
slightly critical of her in that it | 1:14:43 | 1:14:48 | |
has taken quite a long time for us
to get here. Actually, Putin's track | 1:14:48 | 1:14:52 | |
record is very clear of readily and
repeatedly using excessive violence, | 1:14:52 | 1:14:56 | |
whether in the Moscow State siege or
Ukraine, bringing down of the MH17 | 1:14:56 | 1:15:05 | |
plane, we have a track record here,
a clear motive for Russia to be | 1:15:05 | 1:15:10 | |
involved in this, and having read
quite a lot... I am not a chemist, | 1:15:10 | 1:15:15 | |
but having read quite a lot of the
international chemists experts in | 1:15:15 | 1:15:22 | |
this field, their reading of the
situation, it seems to point very | 1:15:22 | 1:15:26 | |
clearly to Putin. I will ask you
again, why won't your leader, Jeremy | 1:15:26 | 1:15:31 | |
Corbyn, condemn Russia for this
chemical weapons attack? As I | 1:15:31 | 1:15:35 | |
understand it, he has. He has called
it an appalling attack, he has not | 1:15:35 | 1:15:40 | |
apportion blame to Russia. I
understand he has. The story has | 1:15:40 | 1:15:45 | |
moved on and Emily Thornberry, and
the Shadow Defence Secretary, they | 1:15:45 | 1:15:51 | |
were clear we as a party stand full
square... What has Jeremy Corbyn | 1:15:51 | 1:15:55 | |
said? I have not seen the statement
himself, I have only seen reports of | 1:15:55 | 1:16:01 | |
it. You saw in the House of Commons
yesterday, and the leader of the | 1:16:01 | 1:16:06 | |
Welsh Labour Party on the Scottish
Nationalists and the Welsh | 1:16:06 | 1:16:08 | |
Nationalists, everybody is very
clear that this is a question of | 1:16:08 | 1:16:12 | |
national security and the country
has to stand together. | 1:16:12 | 1:16:19 | |
Hamish, can I ask you about the new | 1:16:20 | 1:16:22 | |
Hamish, can I ask you about the new
facility at Porton down being | 1:16:22 | 1:16:24 | |
announced today, there were plans in
the pipeline and it has been | 1:16:24 | 1:16:30 | |
hastened on British soil, what
difference will it make for people | 1:16:30 | 1:16:33 | |
in Britain from eight chemical
weapons attack? First of all we | 1:16:33 | 1:16:37 | |
recognise there is a gap in
capability. We were blindsided by | 1:16:37 | 1:16:48 | |
the attack in Salisbury. Now the
threat is apparent we need to make | 1:16:48 | 1:16:51 | |
sure our military have the
capability to be able to defend this | 1:16:51 | 1:16:56 | |
country on our shores and outside
with the right capability. If | 1:16:56 | 1:17:02 | |
somebody's food or drink is spiked
or a droplet of stuff sprayed in | 1:17:02 | 1:17:05 | |
their face can kill them, how can
this new facility potentially stop | 1:17:05 | 1:17:10 | |
that happening again? I expect it is
part of a range of capabilities. Now | 1:17:10 | 1:17:17 | |
we know the threat exists, and I
would say that the only people... | 1:17:17 | 1:17:22 | |
The only tiny doubt the Russians are
involved, only the Russians can help | 1:17:22 | 1:17:27 | |
with that. We know they are the only
ones who make this agent, and the | 1:17:27 | 1:17:36 | |
Russians confirmed that yesterday.
There is only one place where | 1:17:36 | 1:17:41 | |
Novichok is made, and that is in
Russia. If the Prohibition of | 1:17:41 | 1:17:46 | |
chemical weapons envoy can go to
Russia, at the moment it looks Irish | 1:17:46 | 1:17:59 | |
is the only explanation. We will
develop capabilities to keep people | 1:17:59 | 1:18:02 | |
safe in this country. The Russian
Foreign Ministry says Russia will | 1:18:02 | 1:18:05 | |
expel British diplomats soon, we are
just hearing. You would expect that. | 1:18:05 | 1:18:11 | |
You would expect that, it see
standard Russian response. | 1:18:11 | 1:18:21 | |
standard Russian response. That was
fully expected and factored into the | 1:18:21 | 1:18:24 | |
government's original decision, I'm
sure. Chris Bryant... I do agree, | 1:18:24 | 1:18:30 | |
incidentally, that was obvious. Is
that it for diplomatic relations | 1:18:30 | 1:18:34 | |
between us and pressure for a period
of time? Do we now enter potentially | 1:18:34 | 1:18:40 | |
a second Cold War? No, because if we
were to send the whole diplomatic | 1:18:40 | 1:18:45 | |
team back, and suspend diplomatic
relations, which we are clearly not. | 1:18:45 | 1:18:50 | |
Incidentally, there are some
questions that are not quite | 1:18:50 | 1:18:52 | |
answered yet. It's not quite clear
what the government's intention is | 1:18:52 | 1:19:01 | |
with regard to people who are very
close to the Putin regime who has | 1:19:01 | 1:19:04 | |
significant assets in the UK on the
basis of unexplained wealth. I hope | 1:19:04 | 1:19:07 | |
we will freeze those assets as soon
as possible. It's not quite clear | 1:19:07 | 1:19:10 | |
what we will be doing about the
Magnitsky Act or quite what the | 1:19:10 | 1:19:17 | |
government intends. And it's not
clear if we are suspending all | 1:19:17 | 1:19:20 | |
operations with regard security for
the World Cup. We did not suspend it | 1:19:20 | 1:19:26 | |
with Sochi, meaning the Sochi
Olympics could proceed safely. My | 1:19:26 | 1:19:31 | |
anxiety, and I'm a Welshman, so it's
none of my business whether England | 1:19:31 | 1:19:34 | |
goes to play football in the World
Cup, but my anxiety is whether it | 1:19:34 | 1:19:38 | |
will actually be safe in Russia. We
have often seen that Russian fans | 1:19:38 | 1:19:45 | |
are sometimes inspired by Russian
government activity and have been | 1:19:45 | 1:19:50 | |
engaged in pretty violent attacks on
other fans. My anxiety about the | 1:19:50 | 1:19:54 | |
World Cup is whether it will be
safe, simply. Thank you to all of | 1:19:54 | 1:19:57 | |
you. | 1:19:57 | 1:20:01 | |
Still to come, could it be possible
to introduce individualised cancer | 1:20:01 | 1:20:07 | |
vaccines? We will hear about major
trials planned on both sides of the | 1:20:07 | 1:20:11 | |
Atlantic that will start next year. | 1:20:11 | 1:20:18 | |
Now a group of activists who have
taken over a four-storey building | 1:20:18 | 1:20:23 | |
that has been reportedly empty for
15 years in the centre of London. In | 1:20:23 | 1:20:27 | |
order to give shelter to 100
homeless people. In their own words, | 1:20:27 | 1:20:30 | |
they say they are saving people's
lives because they have nowhere else | 1:20:30 | 1:20:33 | |
to go. | 1:20:33 | 1:20:36 | |
OK, so when we have
somebody new come in, | 1:20:36 | 1:20:38 | |
they come in the front door. | 1:20:38 | 1:20:40 | |
They will be greeted here. | 1:20:40 | 1:20:41 | |
We'll ask them what they
need, how they are. | 1:20:41 | 1:20:44 | |
What the priority is,
whether they need to go | 1:20:44 | 1:20:46 | |
straight to sleep, to eat. | 1:20:46 | 1:20:48 | |
We have the kitchen
down the end there. | 1:20:48 | 1:20:51 | |
And we are providing hot,
nutritious food all the time. | 1:20:51 | 1:20:53 | |
There's tea and coffee. | 1:20:53 | 1:20:56 | |
We have some medical supplies,
and we have people who know how | 1:20:56 | 1:20:59 | |
to look after people,
so if somebody needs | 1:20:59 | 1:21:01 | |
some attention to wounds
or infections, we can do that. | 1:21:01 | 1:21:05 | |
The sleeping area's on the ground
floor here, and on the first floor. | 1:21:05 | 1:21:09 | |
There was electricity
already on in the building, | 1:21:09 | 1:21:11 | |
and the water was already on. | 1:21:11 | 1:21:14 | |
We just tidied up the plumbing
where there were leaks and stuff, | 1:21:14 | 1:21:17 | |
made sure everything
was safe and secure. | 1:21:17 | 1:21:19 | |
We have qualified electricians
helping us, and I'm | 1:21:19 | 1:21:21 | |
a plumber-builder as well,
so we do safety checks every day, | 1:21:21 | 1:21:24 | |
make sure there's nothing dangerous,
no cables to trip over, | 1:21:24 | 1:21:27 | |
everything's lit properly,
so people don't... | 1:21:27 | 1:21:28 | |
Yeah, we are keeping people safe. | 1:21:28 | 1:21:31 | |
I left home at 15 years of age. | 1:21:31 | 1:21:33 | |
I started going into
the hostel system. | 1:21:33 | 1:21:36 | |
There was a big battle
because of social services, | 1:21:36 | 1:21:39 | |
and a lot of things happened
in a short amount of time. | 1:21:39 | 1:21:43 | |
And I've been homeless recently due
to a lot going on in my life. | 1:21:43 | 1:21:47 | |
There was no help being given. | 1:21:47 | 1:21:49 | |
There was nothing available,
no services wanting to obviously | 1:21:49 | 1:21:54 | |
understand or were willing to help,
so I had no choice but to have | 1:21:54 | 1:21:58 | |
nowhere to go, because there's
nowhere for us to go. | 1:21:58 | 1:22:01 | |
I mean, it's out there. | 1:22:01 | 1:22:04 | |
I mean, it's hard out there. | 1:22:04 | 1:22:06 | |
What about others that might say
you've got no business being here, | 1:22:06 | 1:22:09 | |
you don't own the building,
that you're not paying | 1:22:09 | 1:22:11 | |
rent for the building. | 1:22:11 | 1:22:12 | |
What would you say to them? | 1:22:12 | 1:22:16 | |
Our brothers and sisters have no
business being on the street. | 1:22:16 | 1:22:19 | |
Freezing, dying. | 1:22:19 | 1:22:23 | |
And there are ten empty commercial
buildings for every person who's | 1:22:23 | 1:22:25 | |
registered street sleeping. | 1:22:25 | 1:22:27 | |
Ten empty commercial buildings
for every person who's registered | 1:22:27 | 1:22:29 | |
as sleeping on the streets. | 1:22:29 | 1:22:31 | |
I'm sorry. | 1:22:31 | 1:22:33 | |
What business model is that? | 1:22:33 | 1:22:36 | |
So, yeah, no business being here? | 1:22:36 | 1:22:38 | |
We've a hundred people here. | 1:22:38 | 1:22:39 | |
Eating, sleeping, comfortable. | 1:22:39 | 1:22:41 | |
We're saving lives here. | 1:22:41 | 1:22:45 | |
I'm sorry. | 1:22:45 | 1:22:48 | |
Property. | 1:22:48 | 1:22:50 | |
I've a disregard for that. | 1:22:50 | 1:22:55 | |
When the building's been
empty for 15 years, | 1:22:55 | 1:22:57 | |
and we can save lives with it? | 1:22:57 | 1:22:58 | |
It's our moral duty
to save those lives. | 1:22:58 | 1:23:02 | |
Here's an update: there
was a legal hearing yesterday | 1:23:02 | 1:23:08 | |
and the company that owns
the building - W1 Properties - | 1:23:08 | 1:23:11 | |
was issued with a possession order -
meaning the firm has the legal right | 1:23:11 | 1:23:14 | |
to evict those living the building. | 1:23:14 | 1:23:16 | |
Lets talk now to Steve Broe
who has been volunteering | 1:23:16 | 1:23:19 | |
at the centre. | 1:23:19 | 1:23:27 | |
Stush, who has been using the Centre
since it opened on the 1st of March. | 1:23:27 | 1:23:31 | |
And joining us from the Centre | 1:23:31 | 1:23:39 | |
are Freddie and Rose,
two of the Centre's users. | 1:23:39 | 1:23:43 | |
How are you feeling this morning? It
was kind of disappointing, but we | 1:23:43 | 1:23:48 | |
did expect it. There's always a
possibility to get more time to help | 1:23:48 | 1:23:52 | |
people and get them relocated. Do
you mean a bit of extra time in that | 1:23:52 | 1:23:56 | |
building, or do you mean you have
found another building? The thing | 1:23:56 | 1:23:59 | |
about that is, we need a certain
amount of notice. We had 160 people | 1:23:59 | 1:24:05 | |
there last night. In what way can we
just send them out to the streets? | 1:24:05 | 1:24:11 | |
We are hoping to get a bit of leeway
and time. Yes, there might be | 1:24:11 | 1:24:17 | |
alternatives. It could be as early
as tonight, is my understanding, if | 1:24:17 | 1:24:24 | |
officials or bailiffs turn up and
ask 160 people to leave, will they | 1:24:24 | 1:24:28 | |
leave? ... Will you leave? That's a
very good question and one I can't | 1:24:28 | 1:24:36 | |
answer until it happens. And would
you leave? As Steve says, we will | 1:24:36 | 1:24:42 | |
not know until the time occurs. But
in general, if the bailiffs turn up, | 1:24:42 | 1:24:47 | |
as they do, and a lot of time they
are mob handed, for a better turn of | 1:24:47 | 1:24:53 | |
phrase, they may leave us no choice
in the matter. And depending if | 1:24:53 | 1:25:00 | |
people do resist, because some
people have literally fought tooth | 1:25:00 | 1:25:03 | |
and nail their entire lives. Some of
the people in the building have | 1:25:03 | 1:25:08 | |
experience of homelessness that goes
well beyond just sleeping on the | 1:25:08 | 1:25:11 | |
street. If you had a guest on
earlier who is suffering from the | 1:25:11 | 1:25:20 | |
mental issues that she has, and a
lot of people, if they didn't have | 1:25:20 | 1:25:25 | |
one before, they've certainly got
one now. And they will potentially | 1:25:25 | 1:25:29 | |
fight tooth and nail just not to be
put in potentially the same | 1:25:29 | 1:25:33 | |
position. You can understand why
somebody wouldn't want to be made | 1:25:33 | 1:25:38 | |
homeless ahead of the weekend that
is showing signs of having whether | 1:25:38 | 1:25:44 | |
by you need to be inside. In a
building that has been empty for a | 1:25:44 | 1:25:48 | |
very long time, and was of no
interest to the owner until this | 1:25:48 | 1:25:51 | |
time. But it doesn't belong to you,
that's what people say, it belongs | 1:25:51 | 1:25:57 | |
to them. It's perfectly valid that
it might belong to somebody, but if | 1:25:57 | 1:26:02 | |
they are not using it and we can
save lives with it, I don't see the | 1:26:02 | 1:26:06 | |
problem with that. Let me bring in
Freddie and Rose. Hello and good | 1:26:06 | 1:26:13 | |
morning. Tell us what it's been like
for you living there and what it has | 1:26:13 | 1:26:19 | |
meant to use. | 1:26:19 | 1:26:24 | |
meant to use. I am very, very
friendly with the people. It is so | 1:26:29 | 1:26:36 | |
hard for me. Seeing people outside
sleeping. A few weeks ago four | 1:26:36 | 1:26:45 | |
people died because of the snow.
It's hard to me. I can't believe, | 1:26:45 | 1:26:54 | |
London is a rich city, but there is
a lot of people sleeping outside. | 1:26:54 | 1:27:04 | |
It's raining, snowing. It's hard for
me to see that. Freddie, where were | 1:27:04 | 1:27:17 | |
you sleeping before you came to this
building? Outside. I was sleeping in | 1:27:17 | 1:27:29 | |
a cold and unheated domestic
environment. I came here for a | 1:27:29 | 1:27:35 | |
reason. I knew this building because
for many years I was dispatch riding | 1:27:35 | 1:27:38 | |
and I used to deliver and collect
items from here. It seems ridiculous | 1:27:38 | 1:27:43 | |
that when it ceases to be used, it
just sits vacant, doing precisely | 1:27:43 | 1:27:49 | |
nothing for anybody. Except maybe
accruing in value, so it is a | 1:27:49 | 1:27:55 | |
speculative tool rather than the
incredibly | 1:27:55 | 1:28:04 | |
incredibly creative and interesting
environment that has been created to | 1:28:04 | 1:28:06 | |
save people's lives in real terms.
We can see the environment behind | 1:28:06 | 1:28:11 | |
you, but describe it for those who
want to know more about what's going | 1:28:11 | 1:28:15 | |
on in the four stories. It's very
simple. People need to have a | 1:28:15 | 1:28:22 | |
temperature which will not endanger
their lives. So for every degree | 1:28:22 | 1:28:29 | |
above a certain point, people are
far better off. This is a factory | 1:28:29 | 1:28:35 | |
for saving lives. You could put it
like that, because it does something | 1:28:35 | 1:28:42 | |
real for people. Steve, a factory
for saving lives, is that an apt | 1:28:42 | 1:28:50 | |
description? Yes. What we have are
people coming in, not just being fed | 1:28:50 | 1:28:59 | |
and rested, but they socialise as
well. There is an amazing amount of | 1:28:59 | 1:29:03 | |
kindness, caring and empathy because
everybody knows what it is like. You | 1:29:03 | 1:29:08 | |
have people coming out after a good
nights sleep and food. They think | 1:29:08 | 1:29:14 | |
it's great, it feels wonderful. It's
a phrase I have used a lot, you can | 1:29:14 | 1:29:21 | |
see them wake up and shake off all
that pressure they have been under. | 1:29:21 | 1:29:25 | |
They will have breakfast and go,
there are dishes to wash, I will do | 1:29:25 | 1:29:31 | |
that. People are mopping floors,
doing the dishes, helping to cook. | 1:29:31 | 1:29:36 | |
People bring their skills. We have
plumbers and carpenters, people who | 1:29:36 | 1:29:42 | |
are finding something to do within
their own skill set, and reminding | 1:29:42 | 1:29:47 | |
themselves that it is possible and
they might actually get back to work | 1:29:47 | 1:29:50 | |
and get back into life. But out on
the street when freezing cold, they | 1:29:50 | 1:29:56 | |
can only concentrate on surviving.
Give them a break from that and they | 1:29:56 | 1:30:00 | |
start to think, maybe I can have the
time now to look for work, maybe I | 1:30:00 | 1:30:05 | |
can go to the building site down the
road and get back on my feet. This | 1:30:05 | 1:30:09 | |
is what Westminster City Council
tell us, they say the building is | 1:30:09 | 1:30:12 | |
privately owned and as such any
further legal action is up to the | 1:30:12 | 1:30:16 | |
owner to take. But Westminster has a
well-established route to help | 1:30:16 | 1:30:23 | |
people who might be sleeping rough
and who are homeless through street | 1:30:25 | 1:30:27 | |
link. The council spends £6.5
million per year on rough sleeping | 1:30:27 | 1:30:30 | |
services and hostel and rough bed
spaces are available every night and | 1:30:30 | 1:30:37 | |
council workers are out every night
offering help to rough sleepers. | 1:30:37 | 1:30:44 | |
I will give you the polite version,
it is not working, our organisation, | 1:30:44 | 1:30:51 | |
they have been doing outreach in
three different locations most | 1:30:51 | 1:30:57 | |
nights of the week in London,
Hackney, Central London, Camden, | 1:30:57 | 1:31:01 | |
they talk to people, if somebody
wants to be connected to StreetLink, | 1:31:01 | 1:31:06 | |
we try to make phone calls, even if
we gave our mobile numbers, call us | 1:31:06 | 1:31:12 | |
back, they will say, if you get
through to them, really hard, they | 1:31:12 | 1:31:16 | |
might say, we will try to get to you
within three hours. Get the person | 1:31:16 | 1:31:21 | |
to stay where they are... We have
quite a few stories of people | 1:31:21 | 1:31:25 | |
staying in the same place for five
days, no call-back, no pick-up. We | 1:31:25 | 1:31:31 | |
will see what StreetLink have to
say. Thank you. We will see what | 1:31:31 | 1:31:35 | |
happens when the eviction occurs.
Thank you for coming on the | 1:31:35 | 1:31:40 | |
programme. Thank you for hearing us.
Is not a problem. | 1:31:40 | 1:31:47 | |
Time for the latest news. | 1:31:47 | 1:31:50 | |
The BBC News headlines. | 1:31:50 | 1:31:53 | |
The White House has
given its backing to Britain's | 1:31:53 | 1:31:55 | |
decision to expel Russian diplomats
in retaliation for the nerve | 1:31:55 | 1:31:58 | |
agent attack on Sergei
Skripal and his daughter. | 1:31:58 | 1:32:00 | |
The US said it was a just
response and America stood | 1:32:00 | 1:32:02 | |
in solidarity with its closest ally. | 1:32:02 | 1:32:04 | |
Russia says it is working
on retaliatory measures | 1:32:04 | 1:32:08 | |
after 23 of its diplomats
were expelled from Britain. | 1:32:08 | 1:32:11 | |
The labratory
where scientists helped identify | 1:32:11 | 1:32:16 | |
the nerve agent used in Salisbury
is to get more funding from | 1:32:16 | 1:32:18 | |
the Government as part of a defence
modernisation programme. | 1:32:18 | 1:32:21 | |
An extra £48 million
for a new Chemical Weapons Defence | 1:32:21 | 1:32:23 | |
Centre at Porton Down
will be announced by Gavin | 1:32:23 | 1:32:25 | |
Williamson in his first major speech
as Defence Secretary later today. | 1:32:25 | 1:32:33 | |
The investigation into the fire
at Grenfell Tower has | 1:32:33 | 1:32:36 | |
found the fire doors may not have
been as effective as they | 1:32:36 | 1:32:38 | |
were supposed to be. | 1:32:38 | 1:32:40 | |
The Metropolitan Police
tested a door designed to resist | 1:32:40 | 1:32:43 | |
fire for half an hour and found
that it only lasted 15 minutes. | 1:32:43 | 1:32:46 | |
The investigation is ongoing. | 1:32:46 | 1:32:49 | |
That's a summary of
the latest BBC News. | 1:32:49 | 1:32:54 | |
Here's some sport now with Hugh. | 1:32:54 | 1:32:57 | |
Chelsea were the latest British
team to be knocked out | 1:32:57 | 1:33:00 | |
of the Champions League last night
after a 3-0 defeat | 1:33:00 | 1:33:03 | |
away at Barcelona. | 1:33:03 | 1:33:05 | |
Lionel Messi scored
twice on the night. | 1:33:05 | 1:33:07 | |
It means Manchester City
and Liverpool are the only domestic | 1:33:07 | 1:33:11 | |
sides in the hat for
Friday's quarterfinal draw. | 1:33:11 | 1:33:18 | |
Good news for Arsenal fans -
the club secured its first piece | 1:33:18 | 1:33:21 | |
of silverware this season
as they shocked Manchester City | 1:33:21 | 1:33:24 | |
to win the Continental Tyres Cup. | 1:33:24 | 1:33:27 | |
It finished 1-0 thanks
to Vivienne Miedema's winner. | 1:33:27 | 1:33:29 | |
The Cheltenham Festival's all-time
leading rider Ruby Walsh will miss | 1:33:29 | 1:33:31 | |
the rest of this week's event
after a fall yesterday. | 1:33:31 | 1:33:35 | |
Walsh has a suspected leg
fracture to the same leg | 1:33:35 | 1:33:40 | |
with which he just spent four months
away from the sport with injury. | 1:33:40 | 1:33:43 | |
And Great Britain cannot win a medal
in the wheelchair curling | 1:33:43 | 1:33:45 | |
at the Winter Parlympics. | 1:33:45 | 1:33:47 | |
Defeat to South Korea
in their penultimate round-robin | 1:33:47 | 1:33:48 | |
match and Norway's victory over
Slovakia means the Britons cannot | 1:33:48 | 1:33:51 | |
reach the medal play-off. | 1:33:51 | 1:33:52 | |
They do have one match remaining.
All the sport for now. More after | 1:33:52 | 1:33:57 | |
11am. | 1:33:57 | 1:34:00 | |
When you're drinking bottled water,
do you know what you're | 1:34:00 | 1:34:03 | |
putting into your body? | 1:34:03 | 1:34:04 | |
Not just water, it seems,
after a study suggested most major | 1:34:04 | 1:34:06 | |
brands contain so-called
microplastics - particles that | 1:34:06 | 1:34:08 | |
are small enough to be ingested. | 1:34:08 | 1:34:09 | |
The World Health Organization is now
going to review the potential risks | 1:34:09 | 1:34:12 | |
of plastic in drinking water. | 1:34:12 | 1:34:15 | |
It absorbs to the surface of the
plastics and under certain | 1:34:34 | 1:34:41 | |
wavelengths of light, it causes them
to basically sparkle like stars in | 1:34:41 | 1:34:48 | |
the night sky. | 1:34:48 | 1:34:51 | |
Let us talk now to Andrew Mayes, one
of the pioneers of the Nile red | 1:35:55 | 1:36:05 | |
technique, and managing director of
food packaging foundation. What do | 1:36:05 | 1:36:08 | |
you make of this, Andrew Mayes? A
very interesting story and it | 1:36:08 | 1:36:15 | |
highlights the fact micro-plastics
all around us, everywhere look, | 1:36:15 | 1:36:21 | |
everything we touch, our whole
environment is full of plastic and I | 1:36:21 | 1:36:25 | |
think this is an excellent highlight
of the fact that it is in | 1:36:25 | 1:36:30 | |
everything. Jane, we do not yet have
the research suggesting what Chris, | 1:36:30 | 1:36:37 | |
if any, there is to human beings,
how do you react to this? -- what | 1:36:37 | 1:36:43 | |
risk. It is reasonable to assume
everyone is exposed to these plastic | 1:36:43 | 1:36:49 | |
particles and that in itself means
the risk is quite high. At the same | 1:36:49 | 1:36:53 | |
time, what we do not know... We do
not know that. We do not know what | 1:36:53 | 1:36:59 | |
the toxicity is, that is what we do
not know, but exposure seems to be | 1:36:59 | 1:37:03 | |
very high, we know that. Do we need
to change the way we bottled water? | 1:37:03 | 1:37:08 | |
It is premature to say that. The
next step should be to identify in | 1:37:08 | 1:37:14 | |
great detail what the source is, is
it the packaging, the bottling | 1:37:14 | 1:37:19 | |
process or and environmental source?
The next step is to reduce the | 1:37:19 | 1:37:23 | |
exposure levels. Tell us more about
the Nile red technique works. It is | 1:37:23 | 1:37:31 | |
a method where you heard a
fluorescent dye called Nile red to | 1:37:31 | 1:37:35 | |
the sample and it binds to the
surface of the tiny plastic | 1:37:35 | 1:37:41 | |
particles -- wear you read. It makes
them grow when you shine a blue | 1:37:41 | 1:37:45 | |
light on them so you can observe the
samples through an orange filter | 1:37:45 | 1:37:49 | |
with blue light shining on it and
you can see the particles glowing | 1:37:49 | 1:37:54 | |
brightly so you can identify them
and count them. Does it change... Go | 1:37:54 | 1:37:58 | |
ahead. I was just going to say, the
reason we developed this technique | 1:37:58 | 1:38:07 | |
is to allow people to do studies
exactly like this, to be able to do | 1:38:07 | 1:38:11 | |
large-scale sampling, look at a very
large numbers, and that way you can | 1:38:11 | 1:38:17 | |
get a much clearer picture of what
is going on in a situation like | 1:38:17 | 1:38:21 | |
this. Does it change your behaviour
when it comes to buying bottled | 1:38:21 | 1:38:25 | |
water? Well, I would like to think I
am quite environmentally focused | 1:38:25 | 1:38:32 | |
anyway so I try very hard not to buy
bottled water. But it is very clear | 1:38:32 | 1:38:38 | |
that worldwide we have to do
something about this problem because | 1:38:38 | 1:38:42 | |
currently 480 billion bottles are
being sold every year worldwide and | 1:38:42 | 1:38:48 | |
it is more than one per person per
week for the whole population of the | 1:38:48 | 1:38:53 | |
planet and this is clearly insane.
We need to think about this in an | 1:38:53 | 1:38:57 | |
entirely different way. Would you
agree with that? I do agree that we | 1:38:57 | 1:39:01 | |
need to have a discussion as a
society on how we use plastics and | 1:39:01 | 1:39:07 | |
how we packaged food, consume foods
and how we produce them. I agree | 1:39:07 | 1:39:12 | |
that this is not a sustainable path
forwards. Thank you very much, both | 1:39:12 | 1:39:17 | |
of you. | 1:39:17 | 1:39:25 | |
of you. Andrew Mayes, one of the
pioneers of the Nile red technique. | 1:39:25 | 1:39:30 | |
We spoke to water companies, this is
a selection, Nestle told us it's | 1:39:30 | 1:39:35 | |
internal testing began two years ago
and they have not detected any above | 1:39:35 | 1:39:42 | |
trace level, Coca-Cola said it has
some of the most stringent quality | 1:39:42 | 1:39:45 | |
standards and used a multistep
filtration process. It acknowledged | 1:39:45 | 1:39:53 | |
micro-plastics appear to be
ubiquitous. Tenon said it could not | 1:39:53 | 1:39:57 | |
comment on the study because, the
methodology used is unclear, but it | 1:39:57 | 1:40:02 | |
added its own bottles had food grade
packaging. -- Danone. | 1:40:02 | 1:40:10 | |
Big clinical trials are opening next
year on both sides of the Atlantic | 1:40:11 | 1:40:14 | |
to find out whether it's possible
to produce individualised | 1:40:14 | 1:40:17 | |
cancer vaccines to stop
patients who've had cancer | 1:40:17 | 1:40:19 | |
getting it again. | 1:40:19 | 1:40:20 | |
A cancer vaccine is one of the holy
grails of modern medical research. | 1:40:20 | 1:40:24 | |
To talk about this, let me introduce
you to Peter Johnson, | 1:40:24 | 1:40:26 | |
Cancer Research UK's
professor of medical oncology | 1:40:26 | 1:40:28 | |
at the University of
Southampton and director | 1:40:28 | 1:40:29 | |
of the Francis Crick Institute
Cancer Research Network. | 1:40:29 | 1:40:34 | |
Dr Sophie Acton is a Cancer Research
UK research fellow who | 1:40:34 | 1:40:36 | |
specialises in immunology. | 1:40:36 | 1:40:40 | |
And Adrian Webb who was diagnosed
with skin cancer in 2012. | 1:40:40 | 1:40:48 | |
He had treatment, but a year later
was given the devastating news | 1:40:49 | 1:40:52 | |
that his cancer had spread
to his lungs, bowel, | 1:40:52 | 1:40:54 | |
spine, liver and spleen. | 1:40:54 | 1:40:59 | |
He immediately started on a course
of targeted treatments, including | 1:40:59 | 1:41:01 | |
immunotherapy drugs,
and five years later, he's | 1:41:01 | 1:41:05 | |
here to tell us all about it. | 1:41:05 | 1:41:11 | |
I hope so! Starting with you, Peter
Johnson. I want to talk about the | 1:41:11 | 1:41:16 | |
clinical trials beginning next year,
big clinical trials, there have been | 1:41:16 | 1:41:21 | |
very small ones, into cancer
vaccines. It is worth you explaining | 1:41:21 | 1:41:25 | |
first of all how a vaccine works,
we're all familiar with the measles | 1:41:25 | 1:41:28 | |
vaccine, how does it work? We have
thought for many years it should be | 1:41:28 | 1:41:32 | |
possible to get the body's immune
system to recognise what is | 1:41:32 | 1:41:38 | |
different about cancer, they are
different, the mutations, different | 1:41:38 | 1:41:42 | |
to normal cells of the body, but it
has been very difficult previously | 1:41:42 | 1:41:46 | |
to get the immune system to lock
onto them. In the last few years, we | 1:41:46 | 1:41:51 | |
have had treatments switching the
switches of the immune system so it | 1:41:51 | 1:41:54 | |
cuts the brakes and allows it to
recognise the cancer cells. Now we | 1:41:54 | 1:41:59 | |
can do that, we want to steer it,
instead of just cutting the brakes | 1:41:59 | 1:42:03 | |
and letting it roll, we want to
steer it against what is | 1:42:03 | 1:42:15 | |
particularly abnormal in a
particular person. The technology | 1:42:15 | 1:42:17 | |
for sequencing the genes in a cancer
cell is available so we can use that | 1:42:17 | 1:42:20 | |
to work out what it is about the
cancer that might be most visible to | 1:42:20 | 1:42:23 | |
the immune system. You would take a
biopsy of someone's cancer, sequence | 1:42:23 | 1:42:25 | |
the genes, use it to make a
potentially individualised vaccine. | 1:42:25 | 1:42:33 | |
It is at the cutting edge. We have
seen a few preliminary results in | 1:42:33 | 1:42:38 | |
small numbers of patients and the
exciting thing as it will now start | 1:42:38 | 1:42:40 | |
going into much larger trials. Could
you theoretically do that for all | 1:42:40 | 1:42:45 | |
people who have had a cancer? At the
moment, the cancer is responding | 1:42:45 | 1:42:51 | |
best to the immune therapy are the
ones with lots of mutations, lots of | 1:42:51 | 1:42:56 | |
abnormalities. Those are the ones we
will focus on, things like melanoma, | 1:42:56 | 1:43:01 | |
lung cancer, bladder cancer, we know
the way the cancer develops has | 1:43:01 | 1:43:06 | |
caused damage to the DNA making the
most visible. Two very small first | 1:43:06 | 1:43:12 | |
aid Schumann trials have taken place
using the newly created cancer | 1:43:12 | 1:43:20 | |
vaccine -- human trials. But the
results, would you say they are | 1:43:20 | 1:43:26 | |
promising, 12 out of the 19 patients
well cancer free up to two years | 1:43:26 | 1:43:31 | |
later? Very exciting. Very
preliminary and I do not want people | 1:43:31 | 1:43:35 | |
watching to think this is going to
be a routine treatment tomorrow, | 1:43:35 | 1:43:39 | |
really important to emphasise, we
need the evidence, but it is very | 1:43:39 | 1:43:45 | |
exciting to see that using this
technology, we can get the immune | 1:43:45 | 1:43:48 | |
system to lock onto the cancers. We
had a chat last week, you gave me a | 1:43:48 | 1:43:53 | |
brilliant analogy of how cancer
cells work and they work like a | 1:43:53 | 1:43:57 | |
woman's placenta does when it stops
the immune system attacking the | 1:43:57 | 1:44:00 | |
foetus as it grows inside the
uterus, fellow audience about that. | 1:44:00 | 1:44:05 | |
One of the reasons cancers can
escape the immune system, Sophie | 1:44:05 | 1:44:09 | |
knows more about this, we have all
sorts of defence mechanisms to stop | 1:44:09 | 1:44:13 | |
the immune system attacking our body
and particularly if you have to | 1:44:13 | 1:44:18 | |
carry a baby, a baby is only half
like you genetically. An alien thing | 1:44:18 | 1:44:23 | |
inside you. It is a transplant you
have to carry safely for nine | 1:44:23 | 1:44:28 | |
months. The mechanisms in the
placenta stopping the immune system | 1:44:28 | 1:44:31 | |
getting to the baby are exactly the
same as some programmes cancer can | 1:44:31 | 1:44:35 | |
call on to evade the immune system
themselves. Sophie, I will bring you | 1:44:35 | 1:44:40 | |
in in a minute, I want to talk to a
dream, skin cancer, one year later, | 1:44:40 | 1:44:45 | |
it had spread to many of your organs
-- I want to talk to Adrian. You | 1:44:45 | 1:44:51 | |
were told you had 12 months to live,
five years ago, what did they do to | 1:44:51 | 1:44:56 | |
you? Immune therapy. I was fortunate
enough at that time to be offered a | 1:44:56 | 1:45:02 | |
trial drug programme. I was in
Birmingham, I jumped at the | 1:45:02 | 1:45:07 | |
opportunity, given only a potential
12 months to survive, and from then | 1:45:07 | 1:45:13 | |
on, things moved on rather rapidly.
Fortunately, my body, my immune | 1:45:13 | 1:45:19 | |
system, it accepted the trial drug
programme. I never really felt ill | 1:45:19 | 1:45:23 | |
though we went through an
instability where we got the balance | 1:45:23 | 1:45:26 | |
right and the drug basically the
volume of periodic drugs while body | 1:45:26 | 1:45:31 | |
would feel comfortable with. And
that was a 12 month programme. We | 1:45:31 | 1:45:37 | |
changed that because I believed it
was explained to me that melanomas | 1:45:37 | 1:45:45 | |
are very aggressive, very
intelligent cancer, they can | 1:45:45 | 1:45:47 | |
potentially outthink the drugs. We
went on then to an intravenous drug, | 1:45:47 | 1:45:52 | |
and I had two successful different
intravenous... Again, my body | 1:45:52 | 1:46:02 | |
accepted it. Modern day chemotherapy
type drugs, I accepted them quite | 1:46:02 | 1:46:08 | |
well, one of the lucky ones. Your
cancer has shrunk to what? If I dare | 1:46:08 | 1:46:16 | |
say, a trace, if I dare say, today I
am cancer free. It is an amazing... | 1:46:16 | 1:46:22 | |
I have been two years drug-free, so
this was all in the first three | 1:46:22 | 1:46:27 | |
years. I have led a very active
normal life in the drug periods and | 1:46:27 | 1:46:33 | |
certainly now that, you know, I am
very fortunate, through people | 1:46:33 | 1:46:41 | |
around the table today, modern
immune therapies, I was on early | 1:46:41 | 1:46:46 | |
stages of the immune therapies, as
Peter has explained, and things are | 1:46:46 | 1:46:49 | |
changing. | 1:46:49 | 1:46:54 | |
This immunotherapy is the latest
frontier in terms of trying to treat | 1:46:54 | 1:47:00 | |
cancer. Doctor Acton, in your work
you are trying to figure out, under | 1:47:00 | 1:47:07 | |
this label of immunotherapy, the
tricks that cancer cells play so you | 1:47:07 | 1:47:12 | |
can unlock those tricks and counter
them with brand-new treatments. Yes, | 1:47:12 | 1:47:18 | |
the treatments out there that
patients are receiving now, as Peter | 1:47:18 | 1:47:23 | |
described, to take the brakes off so
cancer can trick your activated | 1:47:23 | 1:47:27 | |
immune cells. Even if we had a great
vaccine and get to the cancer cells, | 1:47:27 | 1:47:31 | |
the Cancer can switch them off, so
we want to stop them doing that. | 1:47:31 | 1:47:35 | |
That's some of the immunotherapy out
there now. But there are lots of | 1:47:35 | 1:47:38 | |
other tricks and other healthy cells
that cancer bring in and change | 1:47:38 | 1:47:44 | |
their behaviour and we need to find
new ways to design new drugs. There | 1:47:44 | 1:47:49 | |
are several issues to unravel.
Beginning with getting our own | 1:47:49 | 1:47:53 | |
selves to recognise cancer cells and
tumours. Yes, and it is difficult. | 1:47:53 | 1:47:57 | |
Something like a vaccine against
measles, as you suggest, it's a | 1:47:57 | 1:48:02 | |
virus, foreign, definitely not a
human cell and it's difficult for | 1:48:02 | 1:48:07 | |
our immune system to see and attack.
It knows it is foreign and can kill | 1:48:07 | 1:48:12 | |
it, as it will kill infected cells.
Cancer comes from the patient's on | 1:48:12 | 1:48:18 | |
original healthy cells. While they
are different, and we know they are | 1:48:18 | 1:48:21 | |
misbehaving and we want to get rid
of them, they look much more similar | 1:48:21 | 1:48:25 | |
to healthy cells than a virus. So
the breakthrough is there, | 1:48:25 | 1:48:33 | |
sequencing the genomes to find the
sequences and using them for the | 1:48:33 | 1:48:38 | |
immune system to recognise and
destroy those cells. The next issue | 1:48:38 | 1:48:41 | |
is getting the cells inside the
tumour to fight it. It's more | 1:48:41 | 1:48:44 | |
competent than just getting
activated immune cells, we need | 1:48:44 | 1:48:47 | |
those cells to get into the tumours
and find the cells and kill them. | 1:48:47 | 1:48:52 | |
That much more complicated. A lot of
tumours will going to active | 1:48:52 | 1:48:59 | |
surrounding cells and form a kind of
scar around them to protect | 1:48:59 | 1:49:08 | |
themselves. These are other angles
we can take to enhance | 1:49:08 | 1:49:12 | |
immunotherapy. Why do healthy cells
sometimes go wrong? There are a lot | 1:49:12 | 1:49:16 | |
of environmental factors that we
have heard about in the news and | 1:49:16 | 1:49:19 | |
agencies like Cancer Research UK,
giving us advice on how to avoid | 1:49:19 | 1:49:24 | |
them and keep ourselves healthy.
Fundamentally, the human body has | 1:49:24 | 1:49:30 | |
trillions of cells, dividing all the
time as we grow and age. Every time | 1:49:30 | 1:49:33 | |
we defined, we have to make a
perfect copy of our whole DNA. If | 1:49:33 | 1:49:38 | |
you try to do that with trillions of
sells for 90 years, there will | 1:49:38 | 1:49:43 | |
sometimes be mistakes. Most of those
mistakes are not harmful at all and | 1:49:43 | 1:49:46 | |
the cells can cope or die. But
sometimes those mistakes happen in | 1:49:46 | 1:49:52 | |
key areas and that cell can become
cancer. Cells going wrong is a | 1:49:52 | 1:49:59 | |
natural consequence of us living so
much longer? Partly, and partly some | 1:49:59 | 1:50:03 | |
of the things we do to ourselves,
like ultraviolet radiation in the | 1:50:03 | 1:50:09 | |
sunshine, smoking cigarettes, being
too heavy, and eating diets that are | 1:50:09 | 1:50:12 | |
high in saturated fats, all these
things increasing the damage and | 1:50:12 | 1:50:16 | |
likelihood that some cells will go
wrong. But quite a lot of cancer is | 1:50:16 | 1:50:20 | |
just down to the play of chance in
the genomes. A question I know not | 1:50:20 | 1:50:24 | |
like, but I have to ask, we talked
about the big clinical trial | 1:50:24 | 1:50:33 | |
starting next year and to customise
cancer vaccines, so how many years | 1:50:33 | 1:50:37 | |
away from that potentially being on
the market are we? It will take | 1:50:37 | 1:50:41 | |
several years to get the trials and
understand the results and see if it | 1:50:41 | 1:50:44 | |
really works, but it moves
incredibly fast, these checkpoint | 1:50:44 | 1:50:49 | |
antibodies, cutting the brakes on
the immune system, that we use quite | 1:50:49 | 1:50:52 | |
widely now, were not even thought of
ten years ago. So once you get the | 1:50:52 | 1:50:56 | |
information and start to see the
results of the trials, things can | 1:50:56 | 1:51:00 | |
move very fast, but that's what we
have to do. Thank you all very much | 1:51:00 | 1:51:03 | |
for coming in. | 1:51:03 | 1:51:09 | |
Some breaking news, a man called
Neville horde has pleaded guilty at | 1:51:10 | 1:51:16 | |
Bradford Crown Court for murdering a
supermarket worker, stabbed to death | 1:51:16 | 1:51:22 | |
outside and Aldi store just before
Christmas. Jody Wilshere was stabbed | 1:51:22 | 1:51:30 | |
to death in an Aldi store in
Yorkshire just before Christmas. | 1:51:30 | 1:51:36 | |
Have you ever worked
a shift for free? | 1:51:37 | 1:51:39 | |
Or even lots of shifts? | 1:51:39 | 1:51:40 | |
With no job offer
at the end of it all? | 1:51:40 | 1:51:46 | |
A call to ban unpaid
trial shifts is being | 1:51:46 | 1:51:48 | |
debated in Parliament. | 1:51:48 | 1:51:51 | |
We can speak to SNP MP Stuart
McDonald who is raising the issue in | 1:51:51 | 1:51:57 | |
Parliament. Daniel is a waiter who
has done on page trials shift. And | 1:51:57 | 1:52:03 | |
on the phone we have James, not his
real name, who works in catering and | 1:52:03 | 1:52:07 | |
has also done on page shifts and has
recruited others to do them. James, | 1:52:07 | 1:52:12 | |
why are you doing these unpaid
shifts? You do them when you apply | 1:52:12 | 1:52:16 | |
for a job. If you want to go for the
job and get the job to pay your | 1:52:16 | 1:52:24 | |
bills etc. On the other side, we are
told as managers within the catering | 1:52:24 | 1:52:30 | |
industry to recruit staff and go
through the trial process. If you | 1:52:30 | 1:52:34 | |
don't follow that then you could end
up in disciplinary and stuff like | 1:52:34 | 1:52:39 | |
that, because you haven't followed
company procedure. How often do you | 1:52:39 | 1:52:42 | |
give people a job at the end of an
on page trials shift? It depends. We | 1:52:42 | 1:52:47 | |
recruit kitchen porters, chefs,
generally if you get a lot of | 1:52:47 | 1:52:52 | |
applicants you will pick the best
for the job. With a kitchen porter, | 1:52:52 | 1:52:56 | |
you could get six or seven people
applying. Why can't you just give | 1:52:56 | 1:53:03 | |
somebody a job through the
conventional process of looking at | 1:53:03 | 1:53:07 | |
their CV and interviewing them?
Sometimes it's a skill set. We want | 1:53:07 | 1:53:13 | |
to make sure they fit in with a
team, have the right enthusiasm and | 1:53:13 | 1:53:16 | |
stuff like that. That's what we are
told by the hate charred apartment, | 1:53:16 | 1:53:20 | |
we need to look at that and make
sure they fit in. -- by the HR | 1:53:20 | 1:53:27 | |
department. We need to make sure
they fit in and can do the job. Do | 1:53:27 | 1:53:30 | |
you think it is fair? I don't. I'm a
very unions person. I think it is | 1:53:30 | 1:53:35 | |
unfair. I think people should be
paid for what they do. Daniel, you | 1:53:35 | 1:53:43 | |
had three trial shifts for jobs in
the past. All of them unpaid. Did | 1:53:43 | 1:53:49 | |
you get a job at the end of any of
them? The third and final trials | 1:53:49 | 1:53:54 | |
shift I went to, I was given the
job, thank goodness. I was very | 1:53:54 | 1:53:59 | |
relieved to be given a job as the
previous trial shifts I had done | 1:53:59 | 1:54:02 | |
were six hours unpaid, and they said
they would get back to me within a | 1:54:02 | 1:54:08 | |
week but I never heard from them
again. Could that be you are not the | 1:54:08 | 1:54:11 | |
right person for the job, or do you
think they were taking the Mick? I | 1:54:11 | 1:54:15 | |
think they were taking the Mick. Of
the two trial shifts I never heard | 1:54:15 | 1:54:22 | |
anything again, I had done a
face-to-face interview, so they knew | 1:54:22 | 1:54:27 | |
my personality. I don't think they
had a reason not to get back to me. | 1:54:27 | 1:54:31 | |
Did you try to contact them and ask
what was going on? I did. Two of | 1:54:31 | 1:54:36 | |
them I tried to ask what was going
on and I was met with, sorry, you're | 1:54:36 | 1:54:40 | |
not the right candidate for the
role. There was no further | 1:54:40 | 1:54:43 | |
explanation and they put the phone
down on me. How did you feel about | 1:54:43 | 1:54:47 | |
that? I was gutted. I'd worked
six-hour shifts with the promise, if | 1:54:47 | 1:54:55 | |
we think you are the right candidate
and you do well on the shift, you | 1:54:55 | 1:54:58 | |
will almost certainly get the job,
and to have it taken away from you | 1:54:58 | 1:55:02 | |
at the end when you have slaved in
the restaurant, and they often put | 1:55:02 | 1:55:04 | |
you on the busiest time of the week,
so I was on a Saturday night, | 1:55:04 | 1:55:09 | |
working six hours with the promise
of a job, but it wasn't to be. | 1:55:09 | 1:55:13 | |
Stuart McDonald, SNP MP. There is
nothing illegal about asking a | 1:55:13 | 1:55:17 | |
worker to do a voluntary trials
shift, is there? As the law stands | 1:55:17 | 1:55:21 | |
at the minute, I think it needs to
be fixed. In 20 years of the | 1:55:21 | 1:55:25 | |
national minimum wage act, there
hasn't been a single place, a single | 1:55:25 | 1:55:30 | |
tribunal, fine, ticking off, naming
and shaming, nothing. In 20 years of | 1:55:30 | 1:55:36 | |
the act, against the use of an
unpaid trials shift. My bill | 1:55:36 | 1:55:40 | |
proposes to amend the national
minimum wage act to make it crystal | 1:55:40 | 1:55:44 | |
clear that the cases your callers
have explained this morning will be | 1:55:44 | 1:55:47 | |
outlawed. Smaller businesses in
particular rely on these kinds of | 1:55:47 | 1:55:52 | |
things as part of a recruitment
process. They absolutely have to get | 1:55:52 | 1:55:56 | |
the right personality in a small
business. They absolutely do, and | 1:55:56 | 1:55:59 | |
this isn't about banning the
practice of trialling people. Nobody | 1:55:59 | 1:56:03 | |
would wish to do that. This is about
unpaid trial shifts and the | 1:56:03 | 1:56:08 | |
miserable, cynical exploitation that
almost always seems to accompany | 1:56:08 | 1:56:11 | |
them. It's aggravated by the fact
your first call this morning can't | 1:56:11 | 1:56:17 | |
even use his own name, so ashamed
people in the industry of them, | 1:56:17 | 1:56:21 | |
because he is forced to because of
his bosses. I would say to | 1:56:21 | 1:56:26 | |
businesses, employment law is
currently so heavily stacked in | 1:56:26 | 1:56:30 | |
favour of the ploy, why not put
people on probation periods, as is | 1:56:30 | 1:56:34 | |
normal in almost every other
mainstream work? The people who | 1:56:34 | 1:56:38 | |
suffer here are the lowest paid, and
people who often don't know their | 1:56:38 | 1:56:42 | |
rights in order to stand up for
them. My bill brings in the | 1:56:42 | 1:56:46 | |
protections to make sure people
can't be exploited. That where they | 1:56:46 | 1:56:49 | |
are offered a trial they are paid at
least the minimum weight. I think | 1:56:49 | 1:56:53 | |
that is good for business. Let me
read a message, a Tweet, I have | 1:56:53 | 1:56:58 | |
worked in bars before and been
management before. I have been told | 1:56:58 | 1:57:03 | |
by higher up people to give trials
shift to people with not a chance of | 1:57:03 | 1:57:07 | |
getting a job, just because it was
an understaffed weekend. I hear that | 1:57:07 | 1:57:10 | |
a lot. And can you think of a more
cynical practice, and can you | 1:57:10 | 1:57:14 | |
imagine if that was your first
introduction to the world of work? | 1:57:14 | 1:57:19 | |
Often people covering sicknesses or
holidays of other staff members and | 1:57:19 | 1:57:23 | |
being strung along. Often working
long hours, without a job to give | 1:57:23 | 1:57:26 | |
them at the end of it. It's time for
parliament to put an end to it, | 1:57:26 | 1:57:31 | |
that's what my bill does and I hope
MPs will back it tomorrow. James, do | 1:57:31 | 1:57:35 | |
you agree that trials shift is fine,
but paid a person. Would you like to | 1:57:35 | 1:57:41 | |
see that in law? Yes, I would. I
think it's fair because they are | 1:57:41 | 1:57:44 | |
giving up their time coming in. I
think it's all about fairness. In my | 1:57:44 | 1:57:52 | |
25 years of working in the catering
industry, just the way they treat | 1:57:52 | 1:57:56 | |
lower paid staff is quite bad. I
believe this is another thing they | 1:57:56 | 1:58:02 | |
use, being told, bring people in on
busy shifts when you have lots of | 1:58:02 | 1:58:06 | |
functions going on in your hotel.
Bring in people so you don't have to | 1:58:06 | 1:58:10 | |
pay that on your Labour budget.
Thank you, James. Thank you to | 1:58:10 | 1:58:17 | |
Daniel, and continued success with
your job. And thank you to Stuart | 1:58:17 | 1:58:20 | |
McDonald as well. Thank you for your
company today. Have a good day, we | 1:58:20 | 1:58:24 | |
will be back tomorrow at 9am. Thank | 1:58:24 | 1:58:26 |
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