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Hello, it's Monday, it's 9 o'clock,
I'm Victoria Derbyshire, | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
welcome to the programme. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
Our top story today -
highly addictive fixed odds betting | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
terminals should have their maxium
stake reduced from £100 | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
to £30 or less -
that's the verdict of | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
the Gambling Commission,
who're calling on the | 0:00:19 | 0:00:20 | |
government to act now. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:27 | |
And I just went to the counter and I
debt, 500. I lost that in the space | 0:00:27 | 0:00:32 | |
of a few minutes. 1000, lost that.
1000, lost that, another thousand | 0:00:32 | 0:00:38 | |
until I had no more money in my bank
account. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
We'll speak to one man who's lost
250 grand on fixed odds | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
betting terminals. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:45 | |
Also on the programme -
A British woman who went to Syria | 0:00:45 | 0:00:52 | |
to fight against Islamic State has
been killed - Anna Campbell died | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
in the town of Afrin,
which has been the target | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
of a Turkish offensive. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
I said, you could be killed. And she
said, I know, dad. There's nothing I | 0:01:00 | 0:01:07 | |
can do to reassure you about that,
but I've got to do this. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
We'll hear more from her dad
later in the programme. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
And Ant McPartlin has been arrested
on suspicion of drink driving | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
after his car crashed
into two others yesterday. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
We'll bring you the story. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:25 | |
Hello. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:32 | |
Welcome to the programme,
we're live until 11. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:37 | |
Throughout the programme
the latest breaking news, | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
and developing stories -
a little later we'll speak | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
to residents in Derby who've been
protesting against a new asylum | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
seeker centre which opened
in the last month. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
There are several up
and down the country. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:53 | |
If you live near one,
work in one or have stayed in one, | 0:01:55 | 0:01:59 | |
do get in touch - use the hashtag
Victoria live and if you text, | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
you will be charged
at the standard network rate. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
Our top story today... | 0:02:04 | 0:02:05 | |
The Gambling Commission has
recommended that the maximum stake | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
for fixed-odds betting terminals
should be reduced from £100 | 0:02:07 | 0:02:13 | |
to £30 pounds or less,
or £2 in the case | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
of slot machines. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:17 | |
It says cutting the stake alone
won't cure problem gambling and has | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
recommended what it calls
a "comprehensive package of other | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
measures to protect consumers". | 0:02:22 | 0:02:23 | |
The industry had said
a blanket reduction to £2 | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
would cost thousands of jobs. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
Our correspondent
Sean Dilley is here. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:36 | |
Tell us more about what the
commission have said. They are | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
concerned that the most vulnerable
in society are being taken for a | 0:02:44 | 0:02:49 | |
ride, not necessarily deliberately,
but they are clear that the industry | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
hasn't done enough. So whereas at
the moment, people can literally | 0:02:51 | 0:02:58 | |
lose £100 in 20 seconds, again and
again, they are talking about a £30 | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
limit on most fixed odds betting
terminals. There are also saying it | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
should be as low as £2 on the fruit
machines, the old pub style fruit | 0:03:05 | 0:03:10 | |
machines. When I spoke to the
executive director Tim Miller, he | 0:03:10 | 0:03:15 | |
said it's not just the £30 figure,
he was concerned that whichever | 0:03:15 | 0:03:19 | |
figure you pick will be opposed. It
is about a wider Raft of measures | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
such as education. Because they say
even reducing steaks from £130 or | 0:03:22 | 0:03:28 | |
less is not enough to help problem
gamblers? They said the £30 figure, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:36 | |
from their research, would make
people less disadvantaged. But their | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
concern is that people working hard
on average wage can't afford to lose | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
that. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:48 | |
We are clear that a steak cut alone
would not go far enough. So in | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
addition to recommending a cut to £2
on slots, we are suggesting that | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
fall roulette-style games, the limit
should be reduced to £30 or less. If | 0:03:56 | 0:04:02 | |
the government decide to go less
than that, that would be consistent | 0:04:02 | 0:04:07 | |
with our advice. We are also
proposing that there should be a | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
form of track to play so that
players themselves can have access | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
to good quality data on their player
behaviour and how much they have | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
lost. And importantly, the gambling
companies then have no excuse not to | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
spot problem gambling and act on it. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:29 | |
This has been highly anticipated by
the industry. The Association of | 0:04:29 | 0:04:34 | |
British Insurers makers were arguing
that half of bookmaking shops could | 0:04:34 | 0:04:39 | |
close completely, so they urge
caution. There is quite a bit of | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
disagreement on figures, with the
suggestion that £1.5 billion is the | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
true cost of gambling when you
consider economic and employment. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
But ultimately, the Gambling
Commission tell us that they are not | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
even considering the impact on the
economy, it's about protecting | 0:04:53 | 0:04:58 | |
vulnerable consumers. Thank you. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
Joanna Gosling is in the BBC
Newsroom with a summary | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
of the rest of the day's news. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
Official results from Russia show
President Putin has been | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
re-elected with more
than 76% of the vote. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
He told a victory rally that
Russia must maintain unity | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
following his landslide win -
but CCTV footage from a number | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
of polling stations appears to show
election officials stuffing boxes | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
with ballot papers. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
International chemical weapons
experts are due to arrive in the UK | 0:05:19 | 0:05:24 | |
later today to test the nerve agent
used to poison former | 0:05:24 | 0:05:29 | |
Russian spy Sergei Skripal
and his daughter Yulia. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
President Putin says
claims his country was behind | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
the attack are "nonsense"
but Boris Johnson claims Russia has | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
been stockpiling Novichok for years. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:36 | |
Tom Burridge reports. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:44 | |
More than 80 drivers were stranded
overnight on a major road | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
in south western England. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:48 | |
The A30 has just re-opened
within the last hour. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
A 64-mile stretch had to be shut
for the night after heavy | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
snow fell in the area,
making many roads impassable. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
Devon and Cornwall Police are urging
people not to travel | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
until later on this morning. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
The television presenter
Ant McPartlin has been arrested | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
on suspicion of drink driving. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
Police say they were called
to reports of a collision involving | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
three cars in south-west
London yesterday afternoon. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
A child passenger in one of them was
taken to hospital as a precaution. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:22 | |
In a statement, Scotland Yard said
a 42-year-old man was arrested | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
at the scene after failing
a breathalyser test. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:26 | |
Cardinal Keith O'Brien,
the former leader of | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
Scotland's Roman Catholics,
has died at the age of 80. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
He was formerly the Catholic
Church's most senior cleric | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
in Britain, but resigned
as Archbishop of St Andrews | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
and Edinburgh in 2013
after admitting sexual misconduct. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:39 | |
He was recently injured
in a fall and was being cared | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
for at a hospital in Newcastle. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
A British woman has been
killed in northern Syria, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
while fighting alongside
Kurdish forces. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
It's understood that Anna Campbell -
who was 26 and from | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
Lewes in East Sussex -
died in the town of Afrin, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
which has been the target
of a Turkish offensive. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
She travelled to Syria last May. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
Her father has told the BBC
she was idealistic and knew | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
she was putting her life at risk. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
Our correspondent
Emma Vardy reports. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
Anna Campbell was a passionate human
rights activist who travelled | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
to Syria last May to join
the Kurdish women's | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
armed group, the YPJ. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
She even dyed her hair
so as not to stand out | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
among the other fighters. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:31 | |
Her father, Dirk Campbell,
said he could not have | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
prevented his daughter | 0:07:33 | 0:07:34 | |
from travelling to the warzone. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
She was quite adamant about it. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:37 | |
I said, you know,
you could be killed. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
And she said, I know, Dad. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:40 | |
There's nothing I can do
to reassure you about that. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
But I've got to do this,
because it's the most | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
important thing for me. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
At first, Anna Campbell had been
involved in fighting with the Kurds | 0:07:47 | 0:07:55 | |
against so-called Islamic State
in Deir ez-Zor, where IS still | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
hold some territory. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:05 | |
But in January, Turkey began
attacking the Kurds along | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
the northern border around
the town of Afrin. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:09 | |
It is here that Kurdish commanders
say Anna Campbell was killed. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
In a statement, the YPJ said
they tried to keep her away | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
from the front line,
but she had insisted on being part | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
of the operation to defend Afrin. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:19 | |
Since 2015, seven British men
have lost their lives. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
Friends of Anna Campbell in Syria
told the BBC she was killed | 0:08:21 | 0:08:28 | |
by Turkish air strikes,
the first British woman fighting | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
with the Kurds to have died. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:38 | |
A new accomodation centre
to house newly arrived | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
asylum seekers in the UK has
just opened in Derby. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
Despite opposition
from local residents | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
over a lack of information, | 0:08:49 | 0:08:50 | |
the new centre will be able
to house up to 200 people | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
seeking asylum for 19 days. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
This allows the Home Office time
to assess the individuals | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
or families and find them suitable
housing elsewhere in the country. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
Scientists have announced
a significant breakthrough | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
in the treatment of
multiple sclerosis. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
Results from a decade-long
international trial have shown | 0:09:10 | 0:09:11 | |
a stem cell transplant can halt
the disease and improve symptoms. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
The disabling condition affects
about 100,000 people in the UK. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
Doctors in Sheffield,
who were part of the study, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
say the new treatment is a "game
changer" for many patients. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
Residents from several cliff top
seaside chalets in Norfolk have | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
been told to evacuate their homes
due to strong winds. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:27 | |
Police say six properties
in the village of Hemsby | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
are at risk of coastal erosion
because of the high tide. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
In 2013, tidal storms saw three
homes in the village washed away. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:39 | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC
News - more at 9.30. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
Do get in touch with us
throughout the morning - | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
use the hashtag Victoria live
and if you text, you will be charged | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
at the standard network rate. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
Let's get some sport with Jessica. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
Things are hotting up
in the sport of golf | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
with The Masters not far away... | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
Yeah, exciting times for the sport,
particularly when you consider the | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
resurgence of Tiger Woods in recent
weeks. And now for British golf | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
fans, it looks as though Rory
McIlroy is back to his best. Just | 0:10:14 | 0:10:19 | |
won the Arnold Palmer Invitational
tournament, his first tournament win | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
for 18 months, and all the more
exciting because the Masters, the | 0:10:22 | 0:10:27 | |
first major of the year, starts in
just a couple of weeks. Because Rory | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
McIlroy has won this tournament, he
is now the favourite to win that | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
green jacket. After the tournament,
he said "I played a perfect round of | 0:10:33 | 0:10:40 | |
golf", and you can understand why
when you see birdie putts like this. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
He made five birdies in the last six
holes to finish on 18 under par. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:50 | |
That was three shots ahead of the
rest, and this is McIlroy's first | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
win since September 20 16. All these
little barriers that you have to | 0:10:54 | 0:11:00 | |
overcome, whether it be physical or
mental, is huge for my confidence | 0:11:00 | 0:11:06 | |
going into the next few weeks. I
kept saying I didn't need a win | 0:11:06 | 0:11:11 | |
going into Augusta to feel like I
had a chance, I just wanted to see | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
signs of good golf and thankfully, I
have been able to get both today. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:19 | |
Coverage of the Masters from Augusta
will be live across the BBC from the | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
5th of April. And we now know who is
going to Wembley to compete for the | 0:11:23 | 0:11:30 | |
FA semi finals. For all four teams
involved, it will be there any | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
chance for a trophy this season.
Manchester United will take on | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
Tottenham and when you consider
United's limp exit from the | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
Champions League recently and them
being off the pace in the Premier | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
League, this could be the trophy
they need for the players and the | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
manager Mourinho to answer their
critics. Chelsea play Southampton | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
and could be the ideal swansong for
the blues manager Conde, who if you | 0:11:50 | 0:11:56 | |
listen to reports in the press,
could be leaving Stamford Bridge at | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
the end of the season. This is how
Chelsea got to the last four. They | 0:11:58 | 0:12:04 | |
beat Leicester 2-1. The winning goal
came from Pedro in extra time. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:09 | |
Towering header from the smallest
player on the pitch. That is a tenth | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
FA Cup semifinal now for Chelsea in
18 years. Let's show you Southampton | 0:12:13 | 0:12:17 | |
did. It was a first good game for
Mark Hughes, their new manager, | 0:12:17 | 0:12:23 | |
winning in his first match in
charge. They won 2-0. So that is | 0:12:23 | 0:12:33 | |
Manchester United against Spurs and
Chelsea against Southampton in the | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
semifinals of the FA Cup at Wembley.
The matches get under way on the | 0:12:35 | 0:12:43 | |
21st 22nd of April thank you. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
The maximum stake for fixed odds
betting terminals should be | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
cut to £30 or less -
the Gambling Commission has | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
recommended this morning. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:53 | |
At the moment - gamblers playing
games like routlette can lose | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
up to £100 per spin,
and can spin three times a minute - | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
which means people can lose
thousands of pounds in a relatively | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
short space of time. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:02 | |
The Gambling Commission also
want a maximum of £2 | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
for fixed odds betting terminals,
which use slot machines. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
The Government now has to decide
whether to accept the Commission's | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
advice on the stake limit,
or decide to impose a lower figure. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
We've talked about the problems
caused by FOBTs a number | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
of times on this programme,
as Jim Reed reports. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:23 | |
Fixed odds betting terminals, on the
high street, introduced 15 years ago | 0:13:31 | 0:13:37 | |
and controversial ever since. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:47 | |
Tony Franklin has been campaigning
against the machine for years now. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
I was in that hairdresser's over
the road, and I don't know | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
what happened, I came out
of the hairdressers, I thought, "Oh, | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
go on, what's the harm? | 0:13:59 | 0:14:00 | |
I'll go in and I'll have a go." | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
The addiction's always present. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:03 | |
I fed in what I had in my wallet,
which I think was about £90. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
Then I came out, took some money
out of the cashpoint, | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
and at this point I was totally
devastated and just completely | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
caught up in the gambling,
in a red mist is probably the best | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
way to describe it,
or a fog, and I just went | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
to the counter and I
said, you know, 500. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:24 | |
I lost that in the space
of a few minutes. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
1000, lost that. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:27 | |
Another thousand, until I had no
more money in my bank account. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
How did you feel after losing that? | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
Devastated. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:38 | |
At this point, the plan
was still for my wife and child | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
to come and live here
in this country with me. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
I'd got a flat set up
and everything ready to go. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
But because of that relapse,
and because my wife realised | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
I was still very much
in the gambling, the | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
addiction was there. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:58 | |
To critics this is the dark side of
gambling. You could lose £100 per | 0:15:00 | 0:15:06 | |
spin and you can spin every 20
seconds. In October the government | 0:15:06 | 0:15:13 | |
said it plans to force bookmakers to
cut the state. The question now is | 0:15:13 | 0:15:18 | |
to watch. A final decision is
expected soon. What then are the | 0:15:18 | 0:15:23 | |
arguments on both sides. Critics of
the machines say the case to cut | 0:15:23 | 0:15:28 | |
right back to £2 per spin is
overwhelming. In a letter to the | 0:15:28 | 0:15:34 | |
Chancellor seen by this programme
three MPs say in a single year | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
players lost large amounts, more
than £1000, on children 30,000 | 0:15:38 | 0:15:44 | |
separate occasions. Former players
say the cost to society is huge. To | 0:15:44 | 0:15:49 | |
allow someone to bed up to £100
every 20 seconds, they are more | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
likely to become addict had to
gambling. So which the maximum stake | 0:15:53 | 0:15:59 | |
would reduce the harm. Then there's
the case against, the industry says | 0:15:59 | 0:16:04 | |
that a two downstate would kill off
the machines completely, jobs could | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
be last and there would be less
money for government, local councils | 0:16:07 | 0:16:12 | |
and the racing industry. With online
and casinos, both of which have | 0:16:12 | 0:16:16 | |
grown over this period, there are
similar potential for staking and | 0:16:16 | 0:16:21 | |
the human interaction you get in a
betting shop means that large losses | 0:16:21 | 0:16:25 | |
are monitored and we can stop them.
A £2 stake would also mean it is | 0:16:25 | 0:16:31 | |
possible to spend more money more
quickly on gaming machines in pubs | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
and arcades spent in betting shops.
Many in the industry said it does | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
not make sense. The share price of
the largest gaming companies fell in | 0:16:39 | 0:16:45 | |
January on rumours that the
government would back the £2 stake. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
Nothing is final yet. But the
Chancellor and the Treasury could be | 0:16:48 | 0:16:56 | |
worried that it would also damage
tax revenues. | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
So do the recommendations
to cap the limit at 30 | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
quid go far enough? | 0:17:03 | 0:17:04 | |
We can speak to Carolyn Harris -
Labour MP for Swansea East, Chair | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
of the All Party Parliamentary Group
on FOBTs, who is one | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
of three MPs to back
cutting FOBT stakes, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
Tim Miller from the Gambling
Commission, Terry White, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
a gambling addict who estimates
he lost £250,000 on FOBTs | 0:17:19 | 0:17:25 | |
- he's in Cardiff this
morning, and Andy Margett - | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
he lost tens of thousands
of pounds gambling online | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
and in betting shops -
he's in Derby today. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:37 | |
Tim, can you explain
what the report recommends - | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
how did the commission decide this? | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
It is a big reduction for games like
roulette are not as much as | 0:17:45 | 0:17:51 | |
campaigners wanted. Well to be clear
it is £30 or less so people calling | 0:17:51 | 0:17:58 | |
for £2 need not be disappointed, we
have still left that door open. If | 0:17:58 | 0:18:03 | |
the Secretary of State considers
that appropriate it is still | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
perfectly consistent. We based our
advice on a wide range of evidence. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:10 | |
We looked at 20 billion different
plays. Individual bets. Yes, a huge | 0:18:10 | 0:18:18 | |
amount of data and we found it did
not point to a single individual | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
figure as being the magic bullet.
What we've said is we need a | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
conference a package of measures. So
if it did not point to an individual | 0:18:25 | 0:18:33 | |
figure why have you registered to
£30 maximum. Because it showed to | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
have significant impact on risk
reduction you need to come down to | 0:18:37 | 0:18:43 | |
at least £30. Other package says
that cutting the stake by itself is | 0:18:43 | 0:18:48 | |
not enough so we recommended going
even further by putting in a range | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
of other measures. Caroline, how do
you react? Initially I was | 0:18:51 | 0:18:57 | |
disappointed and quite angry but
then I have had a chat with Tim and | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
I probably am less angry. I just
need to know that the government | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
will not be persuaded by the
argument that £30 is sufficient. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:12 | |
You're saying £30 now is all right?
Well initially when I heard it | 0:19:12 | 0:19:25 | |
Well initially when I heard it was
£30, I said that to advance was | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
preferable. The reality is the
evidence we looked at did not point | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
to any single figure. It is now for
the Secretary of State to make this | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
decision. That is what the
legislation says. It has got to be | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
£2. Terry White and Andy, having
lost £250,000 on these terminals, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:47 | |
just explain how that is even
possible? It sounds really difficult | 0:19:47 | 0:19:54 | |
to do put up but if you're losing
1000, £2000 a day, it only takes | 0:19:54 | 0:20:02 | |
around six months. So how do you
then react to this recommendation | 0:20:02 | 0:20:09 | |
from the Gambling Commission that
for games like roulette, the maximum | 0:20:09 | 0:20:14 | |
stake should be £30 or less. And
obviously it is up to the government | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
to make the final position. They
could choose to pounce as the | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
maximum. They could and I hope that
they will. I've not had time to look | 0:20:20 | 0:20:26 | |
at the full report put out today but
I have had dialogue with Mr Miller | 0:20:26 | 0:20:31 | |
and I know Carolyn is also putting -
also keen for that to be £2. But I | 0:20:31 | 0:20:37 | |
think there are many other aspects
like the speed of the spin and | 0:20:37 | 0:20:42 | |
responsibility of the bookmakers to
come and have a chat with people | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
when clearly they are out of control
on the machines. They say they do | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
that but from personal experience I
can tell you they do not. And how | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
would someone in a booking -- in a
bookmakers note that you are out of | 0:20:52 | 0:21:00 | |
control. Something along the lines
of a customer losing £500 or perhaps | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
swearing, picking the machine, they
would need to say hang on a minute, | 0:21:04 | 0:21:10 | |
you are affecting other people in
the shop and you know, really be a | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
bit more proactive and hands-on to
look after people better. Tim | 0:21:14 | 0:21:19 | |
Miller, whatever you said about
interaction between people who work | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
in a bookmakers and someone clearly
losing money. Well that is an | 0:21:22 | 0:21:27 | |
important point, a strong duty on
gambling companies to act. But | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
they're not. We recommend removing
all excuse not to act. That there is | 0:21:30 | 0:21:37 | |
a strong case to track play. So
potentially if someone had an | 0:21:37 | 0:21:44 | |
individual login, the player then
can have high quality data on their | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
play but importantly gambling
company could spot at an early stage | 0:21:47 | 0:21:52 | |
the risk of harmful play and act to
intervene. Actually while they are | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
playing on the machine in the
bookmakers. Exactly. We want to | 0:21:56 | 0:22:03 | |
remove excuses. But will they have
time to log on to check on | 0:22:03 | 0:22:08 | |
individuals in their shop? The
reality is there needs to be an | 0:22:08 | 0:22:16 | |
overwhelming drive to prevent people
from harm. How do you react to these | 0:22:16 | 0:22:24 | |
recommendations from the Gambling
Commission customer I think it is | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
going after one form of gambling
will not work. There are many forms | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
of gambling out there got up and any
form has the potential for harm. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:40 | |
form has the potential for harm. Any
form of gambling is bad for a | 0:22:42 | 0:22:43 | |
potential problem gambler. I think
they need to be more education and | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
treatment services. We are have all
been to school and we get taught | 0:22:47 | 0:22:54 | |
about the dangers of drugs, alcohol,
cigarettes, STI 's, but never the | 0:22:54 | 0:22:59 | |
danger of a potential gambling
problem. You hit a keen and you're | 0:22:59 | 0:23:05 | |
just free to have a gamble. Play the
lottery. So I believe funding for | 0:23:05 | 0:23:12 | |
help and treatment is critical and
education as well. Let me read out | 0:23:12 | 0:23:18 | |
this e-mail from Keith, betting
machines are a blight, the odds of | 0:23:18 | 0:23:23 | |
winning can be fixed electronically.
These machines are designed to keep | 0:23:23 | 0:23:31 | |
you playing with very small wins
just to keep you playing. The | 0:23:31 | 0:23:36 | |
problem with these machines, the
machine itself is addictive to most | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
problem gamblers, you might have
money that they lose Amin becomes | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
irrelevant, it is the activity
itself of the machine. And they are | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
built entirely to be captivating,
just like heroin is captivating to | 0:23:47 | 0:23:54 | |
some. So you will find difficulty.
Not in finding people who can use | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
the machines to money launder,
because the amount of money they | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
will get cleaned is phenomenal. But
you will have problems finding | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
people are personal level who have
won any money. And it becomes | 0:24:05 | 0:24:10 | |
irrelevant, the actual money becomes
irrelevant. So maybe you think then | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
the recommendations in this report
are a missed opportunity? | 0:24:14 | 0:24:19 | |
Definitely, as long as the
government stays fan, and | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
unconvinced that this moment that
both the secretary of state and | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
Minister are resolute and they
believe that £2 the answer because | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
of the body language if you like and
the vibes we're getting. It is | 0:24:30 | 0:24:35 | |
essential for society, for the
individuals, but the high street. It | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
is essential that the social
consequences of these machines are a | 0:24:38 | 0:24:43 | |
limited by reducing the stakes to
£2. They will be a suspicion that | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
you have been got at by the industry
customer not at all. There have been | 0:24:46 | 0:24:53 | |
many arguments about the economic
impact of these cuts. That I think | 0:24:53 | 0:25:01 | |
shops would close and people lose
their jobs. In terms of our | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
recommendations we have not taken as
arguments on board. We have one | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
focus and that is taking action to
protect consumers. I have one e-mail | 0:25:09 | 0:25:14 | |
from someone who works in a bookies.
It is anonymous and quite long but | 0:25:14 | 0:25:19 | |
really worth reading. I work for one
of the big four betting shops. Shop | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
staff are trained to spot trouble
gamblers and intervene when | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
necessary. I've tried several of
these interventions but I've had | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
negative responses from customers
being told to mind my own business. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:36 | |
I've offered the option of self
exclusion to help the customer as | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
well as the industry leaflets but
have been left out on several | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
occasions by personal safety
jeopardise for busily so much that | 0:25:42 | 0:25:48 | |
the shop staff can do and the rest
is the personal responsibility of | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
the customer themselves. The reality
of those using extolled terminals is | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
not what is being portrayed in the
media for the his customers are well | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
aware of their actions and they shun
help. Limiting the bet would just | 0:26:00 | 0:26:05 | |
mean that the customer would stay at
the terminal for longer and lose the | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
same amount of money. Gambling
addiction is a problem and more | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
powers should be given to front line
staff to help but I would suggest | 0:26:13 | 0:26:20 | |
greater powers of exclusion.
Personal responsibility of the | 0:26:20 | 0:26:28 | |
customer is critical. What do you
say about this that they would just | 0:26:30 | 0:26:37 | |
stay at the terminal for longer.
That is a risk and one of the | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
reasons why we do not point to any
individual number. Suggestions that | 0:26:40 | 0:26:45 | |
at some levels people could be
driven to riskier behaviour and that | 0:26:45 | 0:26:50 | |
is why we recommend this broader
package to spot the risks earlier | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
on. What do you say, someone saying
you're working in a bookies and you | 0:26:53 | 0:27:02 | |
could be told to mind your business
and secondly reducing the state just | 0:27:02 | 0:27:07 | |
means you stay longer on the
terminal. I think they are fair | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
points, I have seen people
approached by numbers of staff in | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
certain shops but it is very random
and does not happen as often as it | 0:27:14 | 0:27:20 | |
should. I think they need to train
staff even more now and maybe just | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
have one staff member in the shop
each day dealing with FOBT issues. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:31 | |
But unless they have the power to
exclude you from a shop you can just | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
ignore a member of staff, no matter
how well trained they are. Precisely | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
and at the end of the day it is the
individual, it is their | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
responsibility to take control of
their gambling. Millions of people | 0:27:42 | 0:27:47 | |
to gamble responsibly and for fun. I
know I have a problem and I cannot | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
do that. My light bulb moment, I
smashed up my PC after losing £1000 | 0:27:51 | 0:28:02 | |
at poker online, that is not normal
behaviour. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:09 | |
behaviour. I would be in a rage and
no one could come over to me and | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
tell me to stop. And reducing the
steak on one form of gambling will | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
not help a problem gambler. If it
happens, what happens afterwards to | 0:28:17 | 0:28:22 | |
the gambling addict if it is reduced
to £2. Let's get answered to that | 0:28:22 | 0:28:31 | |
question. So the steak is reduced
and what then happens to the | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
gambling addict customer that is a
fair point and we should not focus | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
on one type of gambling. We have
been reviewing online gambling as | 0:28:38 | 0:28:42 | |
well and we will make proposals on
that shortly. Because ultimately | 0:28:42 | 0:28:47 | |
there is no form of gambling that is
totally safe and risk-free. We need | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
to make sure we act on the harms
that comes from all forms of | 0:28:50 | 0:28:55 | |
gambling. Let's say the government
take up your recommendation and | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
reduce the stakes to £2 as
campaigners want. The addict is | 0:28:58 | 0:29:03 | |
still an addict. That is right and
one other thing we will say is that | 0:29:03 | 0:29:08 | |
the industry needs to up their game
on the amount of resources they put | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
into research, education and
training. Because treatment will | 0:29:12 | 0:29:16 | |
help for many people but at the
moment it is very underfunded. Thank | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
you all for coming in. And of course
we welcome your views and | 0:29:20 | 0:29:27 | |
experiences. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
Martina Navratilova says that
John McEnroe was paid | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
at least "10 times more"
than she was for their commentating | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
roles at Wimbledon. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:35 | |
The former champion told Panorama
that she was shocked when the BBC | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
revealed how much its stars earned. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:42 | |
John McEnroe was named on the list,
appearing in the £150,000 to | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
£199,999 bracket -
Martina Navratilova says she was | 0:29:45 | 0:29:51 | |
Martina Navratilova says that
John McEnroe was paid | 0:29:51 | 0:29:58 | |
£199,999 bracket -
Martina Navratilova says she was | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
paid around £15,000. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:05 | |
It's hard to really compare exactly
because some people work | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
a little longer days,
maybe a few more programmes | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
or whatever, but overall
it was a shock because John McEnroe | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
makes at least £150,000. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:14 | |
I get about £15,000 for Wimbledon. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
And, unless John McEnroe's doing
a whole bunch of stuff | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
outside of Wimbledon,
he's getting at least ten | 0:30:19 | 0:30:21 | |
times as much money... | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
Ten times?! | 0:30:24 | 0:30:25 | |
..Than I am for very
comparable work. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
So, yeah, at the moment
that's what I know. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
So you're seriously telling me
that you earn about 10% | 0:30:30 | 0:30:34 | |
of what John McEnroe earns? | 0:30:34 | 0:30:35 | |
That's pretty much what it
looks like right now, | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
to the best of my knowledge,
yeah, that's how it shakes out. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:41 | |
How do you feel about that? | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
Not happy, let's just say. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
It's shocking. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
If this happens to me, then... | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
You know, for me, it's a part-time
job, it's two weeks of my life, | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
but for the women that
are there full-time, | 0:30:53 | 0:30:58 | |
maybe the discrepancy is not that
large but it adds up over a lifetime | 0:30:58 | 0:31:02 | |
to an amazing amount of money,
so it's extremely unfair, | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
and it makes me angry for the other
women that I think go through this. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:10 | |
The BBC might say, well,
John McEnroe does more hours | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
or he's on air longer? | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
Ten times as much? | 0:31:15 | 0:31:16 | |
I don't think so. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
Do you ever say to the BBC,
"Am I earning a comparable amount | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
to a man doing a similar job?" | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
Absolutely, and we were told, yes,
I was getting comparable amounts, | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
so we were not told the truth,
that's for sure. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
Because it's 50 years now
since the Equal Pay Act in Britain. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
Wow. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:34 | |
Yeah, 50 years since equal pay. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:35 | |
So it's the law! | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
And the BBC is a public corporation. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
I don't want to really rag
on the BBC, because I know it goes | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
on, I'm sure, in all the other
networks, but this one being public, | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
you know, they've got to do better. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:53 | |
The BBC says the two commentators
are on different types of contracts | 0:31:54 | 0:32:02 | |
and that Martina Navratilova appears
on air less than John McEnroe. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
And you can see more of that
interview in a Panorama special | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
tonight at 7.30 on BBC One. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
That's Panorama: Britain's
Equal Pay Scandal. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:15 | |
Still to come: | 0:32:15 | 0:32:16 | |
We'll be looking into how asylum
seekers are housed around | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
the country by private companies
on multi-million pound | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
government contracts. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:29 | |
And we will look at what Vladimir
Putin's election win means. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:37 | |
Time for the latest
news - here's Joanna. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:39 | |
The BBC News
headlines this morning... | 0:32:39 | 0:32:44 | |
The Gambling Commission has
recommended that the maximum stake | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
the fixed odds betting terminals
should be reduced from £100 to £30, | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
or £2 in the case of slot machines.
It says cutting the stake alone will | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
not cure problem gambling and has
recommended what it calls a | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
comprehensive package of other
measures to protect consumers. The | 0:32:59 | 0:33:03 | |
industry has the blanket reduction
to £2 would cost of jobs. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
Official results from Russia show
President Putin has been re-elected | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
with more than 76% of the vote. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:10 | |
He told a victory rally that
Russia must maintain unity | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
following his landslide win -
but CCTV footage from a number | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
of polling stations appears to show
election officials stuffing boxes | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
with ballot papers. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:24 | |
International chemical weapons
experts are due to arrive in the UK | 0:33:24 | 0:33:29 | |
later today to test the nerve agent
used to poison former | 0:33:29 | 0:33:34 | |
Russian spy Sergei Skripal
and his daughter Yulia. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
President Putin says
claims his country was behind | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
the attack are "nonsense",
but Boris Johnson claims Russia has | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
been stockpiling Novichok for years. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
Test results could be seen
in around two weeks' time. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:53 | |
The TV presenter Ant McPartlin has
been arrested on charges of driving. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:01 | |
Police were called to the scene
yesterday afternoon. A car passenger | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
was taken to hospital as a
precaution. Scotland Yard said a | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
42-year-old man was arrested at the
scene after failing a breathalyser | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
test. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:11 | |
That's a summary of
the latest BBC News. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:18 | |
A viewer is not sympathetic to
anyone addicted to gambling. If you | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
don't realise you're wasting your
money on gambling, drugs or drink, | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
you need to grow up. There are too
many excuses. People are responsible | 0:34:25 | 0:34:30 | |
for themselves. You have the choice.
It is not responsible to give the | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
government or the taxpayer. And
Ariadne says you just have to look | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
at the areas of betting shops to
know that they are taking advantage | 0:34:37 | 0:34:43 | |
of vulnerable people. Do keep those
coming in. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:45 | |
Here's so coming in. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:51 | |
Here is some sport. McIlroy wins his
first tournament for months at the | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
Arnold Palmer international. He sank
five birdies in the last six holes, | 0:34:54 | 0:35:00 | |
including that glorious but to
finish on 18 under par three shots | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
ahead of the field. Chelsea confirm
their place in the FA Cup semifinals | 0:35:03 | 0:35:10 | |
after a 2- win over Leicester after
extra time. They will play | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
Southampton in the last four.
Manchester United will take on Spurs | 0:35:14 | 0:35:16 | |
in the other fixture. World number
one Roger Federer's winning run has | 0:35:16 | 0:35:21 | |
come to an end after losing the
final at the Indian Wells to Juan | 0:35:21 | 0:35:27 | |
Martin del Potro. The Argentine is
the first player to beat Federer in | 0:35:27 | 0:35:31 | |
18 matches. And England bowler
Stuart Broad tells the BBC that he | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
has no plans to retire from
international cricket any time soon. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
England get their Test match against
New Zealand under way in the early | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
hours of Thursday morning. Those are
your sports headlines. I will be | 0:35:41 | 0:35:47 | |
back just after ten. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
Every year, thousands of asylum
seekers enter the UK - | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
on planes, on the back of lorries,
illegally smuggled in... | 0:35:53 | 0:35:58 | |
When they arrive, most are initially
housed in an asylum reception centre | 0:35:58 | 0:36:03 | |
while the Home Office decides
whether their case to stay | 0:36:03 | 0:36:05 | |
as a refugee in the UK is genuine. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
One such Initial Accomodation Centre
which houses over 200 asylum seekers | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
has just opened in Derby -
despite opposition | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
from local residents. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:17 | |
Our reporter Sean Clare
has this report. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:24 | |
Just over 26,000 people arrived
in the UK seeking asylum last year, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
many needing somewhere to live. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
Most people accept they have
to be housed somewhere, | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
but who wants them arriving
at the end of their street? | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
By the way, you're having 240 asylum
seekers on your doorstep and, | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
guess what, you can't do
anything about it. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:43 | |
Three companies are
responsible for housing them, | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
contracts worth millions. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:47 | |
In recent years, security firm G4S
have housed more than anyone else. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:54 | |
And with a national housing crisis,
the companies seek out the cheapest | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
homes in the most deprived parts
of the country. | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
The idea was to relieve pressure
on the south-east of England, | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
but is the system working as it
should for those already here? | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
We haven't got enough
for ourselves, let alone having | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
other people coming in. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:08 | |
..or for those hoping
to make the UK their home? | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
They give the accommodation
where no-one else wants to live, | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
and life is very difficult. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:16 | |
Crime is very high. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
Prostitution, addiction. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:26 | |
Here in Derby, the student halls
of residence has just been turned | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
into accommodation for more
than 200 asylum seekers. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:35 | |
They're supposed to spend just three
weeks here before being moved | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
to a longer-term home. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
Derby is a multicultural city
and is already home to asylum | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
seekers and refugees,
but local residents have been | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
questioning whether this
is an appropriate location for such | 0:37:47 | 0:37:49 | |
a transient, vulnerable community. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
Fantastic area, very
close-knit community. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:55 | |
One of those areas where everybody
looks out for everybody. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
Ajit Atwal, who used to represent
the area on the local council, | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
opposed the plan to convert
the student halls from the start. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
We don't know what's
in there at the moment. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
G4S are very quiet and very... | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
take a back-seat when it comes
to answering any questions. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
People round here need to know,
they should be answerable | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
to the people of this area because,
at the end of the day, | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
they were here a lot longer
than what these people were. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
The centre holds 225 people, and G4S
expect it to fill up this month. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
It's almost full now, and there have
been no reported problems. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
But residents are still worried. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:26 | |
Is there a way that,
if G4S had communicated differently, | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
you could see the system working
in this area? | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
It could have done, yeah. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:36 | |
They should have come out and spoke
to residents properly instead | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
of just inviting people to a council
meeting and saying, | 0:38:39 | 0:38:41 | |
"This is what we've put in place." | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
They could have sent leaflets,
they could've knocked | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
on people's doors. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:46 | |
They're a big organisation,
it's not like they're | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
short of a few quid. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:49 | |
They should consult people and give
them that reassurance that, | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
you know what, we're here to work
with you, any concerns you've got, | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
come to us directly so we can iron
those concerns out and you can get | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
on with life and the residents,
the refugees here | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
can get on with life. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
While hundreds of people signed
a petition against the centre, | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
G4S say they consulted with local
residents, communicated | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
through local press,
and will continue their engagement | 0:39:06 | 0:39:08 | |
every three months. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:09 | |
But in this cafe just
across the road, | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
the anger at G4S is obvious. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:16 | |
When you go to the shop, you don't
feel in fear at the minute. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:20 | |
The owner moved house before
the centre even opened | 0:39:20 | 0:39:22 | |
because of his fears about what it
would mean for the area. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
Mark Harris says he's worried
about his property and his family. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
I don't want this. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:28 | |
I haven't signed up for this,
I don't want this. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
You're lucky, you moved. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
If I could have moved,
I would have been out | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
of here straight away. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:38 | |
I wouldn't have batted an eyelid
about it, I'd have been gone, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
because it's not my cup of tea. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:42 | |
I wish they'd given us
more information before | 0:39:42 | 0:39:44 | |
everyone panicked. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:45 | |
The information should have been put
out there so people like me, | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
people like yourself,
everyone on Drury Lane would have | 0:39:48 | 0:39:50 | |
had a better educated response. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:56 | |
I picked this area for
what reason I wanted. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
Your future. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
It's close to town, my future,
it's everything it provides to me. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
Then one day I get told,
out of the blue, nowt to do with me, | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
"Oh, by the way, you're having 240
asylum seekers on your doorstep and, | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
guess what, you can't
do anything about it." | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
It's like the next-door neighbour,
she owns her house. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
Let's say she's going to sell her
property in two months' time, | 0:40:15 | 0:40:19 | |
somebody comes round and views
the area, there's asylum seekers, | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
a block on the corner,
that house has got loads more | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
chances of not selling. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
If I walk down the road
and there were ten asylum | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
seekers/refugees stood out there,
I'm crossing that road. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:34 | |
I ain't walking past
them for anybody. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
I spoke to G4S and said,
"Who's in charge? | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
If something goes wrong,
my house gets broken into, | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
my property gets stolen,
I get beaten up or anything | 0:40:41 | 0:40:43 | |
goes wrong, who...?" | 0:40:43 | 0:40:45 | |
He were like, "Well,
we're not in charge, | 0:40:45 | 0:40:47 | |
we're just looking after it." | 0:40:47 | 0:40:51 | |
The only question I haven't had
a realistic answer to is, | 0:40:51 | 0:40:57 | |
can you prove to us
that these aren't soldiers? | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
That these people aren't
killers or rapists? | 0:41:00 | 0:41:06 | |
Can you just tell us that they've
come from a blown-up town or city | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
where their houses have gone
and they have nowhere to live? | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
I feel sorry for them,
it's not their fault... | 0:41:12 | 0:41:14 | |
So work with them. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:16 | |
Yeah, I am working with them and my
point of working with them is, | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
I didn't want them living
on my doorstep. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:24 | |
We have an hour's English class
on a Tuesday, one on a Thursday. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
A few minutes down the road
is Janet Fuller who, for years, | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
has been managing an advice centre
for Derby's refugees | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
and asylum seekers. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:33 | |
We've been hearing this morning
from somebody who was adamant | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
that he doesn't know who the asylum
seekers are, doesn't know | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
where they've come from,
he doesn't know what they might be | 0:41:38 | 0:41:42 | |
doing, and as soon as he can move
out of that area, he's going to go. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
I can absolutely understand why
residents would be concerned, | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
because if you suddenly get
accommodation housing more than 200 | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
people right on your doorstep,
whoever those 200 or more people | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
are, it's a difficult situation. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:58 | |
There are always going to be fears
about terrorism in this situation. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
The vast majority of people we see
here have stood up to terrorism, | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
or have been fleeing from terrorism
and want to do something | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
to counteract that. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:08 | |
They want to have a positive
influence on this society | 0:42:08 | 0:42:13 | |
and they want to contribute. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:19 | |
If the Home Office decides
those seeking asylum | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
are destitute and need housing,
after three weeks they are supposed | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
to be rehoused in parts
of the country with a supply | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
of cheap longer-term accommodation. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:29 | |
So how does it feel to be sent
somewhere where nothing | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
and no-one is familiar? | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
Somewhere with social problems
and already-stretched services, | 0:42:34 | 0:42:35 | |
and somewhere where you can find
yourself at the sharp end | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
of resentment and fear? | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
It looks like you're not welcome. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
They're not friendly. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:43 | |
No-one will come to help
you because they don't | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
know who's that person. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:49 | |
Even though there is a community
around you, you are still alone. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:53 | |
We've protected the identity
of this asylum seeker, | 0:42:53 | 0:42:55 | |
because she fears reprisals from G4S
for speaking out. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:59 | |
How appropriate is your
accommodation, and what are some | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
of the problems with
the facilities in there? | 0:43:01 | 0:43:06 | |
Usually the G4S people,
they give the accommodation | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 | |
where no-one else wants to live,
and life is very difficult. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:15 | |
Crime is very high,
prostitution, addiction. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:20 | |
They don't contact us,
they don't reply to our problems, | 0:43:20 | 0:43:24 | |
they don't solve our problems,
they don't return our phone calls. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:29 | |
They think we're just like slaves. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
That, you know, whatever
they give us, we will accept. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:37 | |
What would you say, then,
to those who say that the more | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
comfortable the system is,
the better the system is, | 0:43:40 | 0:43:42 | |
it might encourage more
people to come to Britain? | 0:43:42 | 0:43:50 | |
Some people, they come by boat,
some people, they come in a truck, | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
some people are living a happy life
with all their luxuries, | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
but because of bad luck or somehow
they are involved with the system | 0:43:56 | 0:44:03 | |
they go through all this stress,
it makes them like, you know, | 0:44:04 | 0:44:06 | |
worse than animals. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:07 | |
Jen, not her real name,
used to work at a G4S call centre. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:14 | |
I worked for the G4S contract
providing accommodation to asylum | 0:44:14 | 0:44:16 | |
seekers in the Midlands and East
of England and Yorkshire | 0:44:16 | 0:44:19 | |
and Humberside. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:25 | |
What effect did working for G4S have
on you and your attitude | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
to asylum and immigration? | 0:44:28 | 0:44:31 | |
The longer I worked there,
and the attitude of management | 0:44:31 | 0:44:34 | |
and the way that people were just
sort of treated more | 0:44:34 | 0:44:36 | |
like a commodity, you know,
I wanted to help people | 0:44:36 | 0:44:39 | |
when I was there because obviously
I started working there, | 0:44:39 | 0:44:44 | |
and you get to know people's
situations and people's stories, | 0:44:44 | 0:44:47 | |
and obviously most people
would want to do good | 0:44:47 | 0:44:50 | |
in that situation. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:51 | |
But you can't. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:54 | |
I'm not saying that all the staff
are bad and that a member of staff | 0:44:54 | 0:44:57 | |
has never done a nice thing
for somebody, but it's | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
not encouraged. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:01 | |
What kind of things did you hear
or see G4S staff doing | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
when you worked there? | 0:45:04 | 0:45:05 | |
I've heard a senior person on that
contract say that if an asylum | 0:45:05 | 0:45:11 | |
seeker has that got credit to call,
then don't call them back. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:18 | |
seeker hasn't got credit to call,
then don't call them back. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
That's their problem. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:22 | |
Why are we paying
for an interpreter? | 0:45:22 | 0:45:23 | |
Why are we doing this? | 0:45:23 | 0:45:24 | |
That's the kind of
attitude that we've got. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:26 | |
There was a woman I used
to work with, she'd pretend | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
that she couldn't understand
somebody or that she couldn't | 0:45:29 | 0:45:31 | |
hear somebody and put
the phone down on them. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:37 | |
That colleagues said to me,
when she used to talk to people | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
like absolute dirt and I heard,
and I sort of looked at her one | 0:45:40 | 0:45:44 | |
day and she just said,
"Don't look at me like I've just | 0:45:44 | 0:45:46 | |
stamped on a baby." | 0:45:46 | 0:45:47 | |
They were her actual words. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:49 | |
They just don't care. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:50 | |
They just don't care. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:51 | |
In a statement, G4S told
us their staff are expected | 0:45:51 | 0:45:53 | |
to behave with integrity,
care and respect, and that action is | 0:45:53 | 0:45:56 | |
taken against those who fall short. | 0:45:56 | 0:45:57 | |
Two employees, they say, have been
dismissed in the last four years. | 0:45:57 | 0:46:00 | |
They said asylum seekers are either
asked to use a freephone helpline | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
number or that G4S staff would call
them back if they don't have credit. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
The company said there is no
instruction to not call | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
asylum seekers back. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:12 | |
Asylum seekers like this one
are sent to parts of the country | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
where the local council has said
they will take them. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
But in places like Loftus,
a small, isolated town | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
on the north-east coast of England,
the council's decision is not always | 0:46:20 | 0:46:23 | |
backed up by the local people. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:28 | |
It's one of the least diverse
parts of the country, | 0:46:28 | 0:46:30 | |
and the lack of local services
here is a common complaint. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
This is my shop here. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
I've been here for just over,
well, I've been in Loftus | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
business for 27 years. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:39 | |
When we heard the asylum seekers
were coming to Loftus, | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
we were told that this
was the building that they were | 0:46:42 | 0:46:44 | |
going to be housed in. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
It only has one entrance
to the building. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
It is above a pizza shop. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:52 | |
I think the children
would have just hounded them. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:58 | |
The children, at this time of night,
now, would have been gathering | 0:46:58 | 0:47:01 | |
outside the pizza shop and it
would have just escalated | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
after they'd been drinking. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
What do you say to those people that
say, they'd probably come from civil | 0:47:06 | 0:47:10 | |
war in Syria where they've seen
a bit worse than a pizza | 0:47:10 | 0:47:12 | |
shop and a few kids? | 0:47:12 | 0:47:14 | |
But they shouldn't be victimised
when they come to another country. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:16 | |
We don't want them to come
here and think that this | 0:47:16 | 0:47:19 | |
is what England is like. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:20 | |
It's not like that. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:22 | |
But the way G4S and the council
did it, it was just, | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
it just wasn't right,
it wasn't fair to make us | 0:47:25 | 0:47:28 | |
look as though we're
horrible, and we're not. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:32 | |
So you're not racists? | 0:47:32 | 0:47:33 | |
Not at all. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:37 | |
One year on, ask people at this
meeting of community leaders, | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
and they're clear they made
the right choice | 0:47:39 | 0:47:41 | |
in blocking the plan. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:43 | |
My friend and myself saw a gentleman
going into a house along West Road | 0:47:43 | 0:47:48 | |
and asked them what they were doing
and they said, oh, they're G4S, | 0:47:48 | 0:47:56 | |
they were going to, they were doing
safety checks because immigrants | 0:47:56 | 0:47:59 | |
were coming in. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:01 | |
Nobody knew what anybody was doing. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:03 | |
G4S arrived, the population
here didn't know anything about it. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:07 | |
We all found little snippets
about what was going on. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:10 | |
I think it was widely
accepted that we just do not | 0:48:10 | 0:48:13 | |
have the infrastructure
for our own people, | 0:48:13 | 0:48:15 | |
let alone, let alone... | 0:48:15 | 0:48:16 | |
Exactly. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:19 | |
They would have been targeted. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:21 | |
The residents are so deprived
at this present time that anybody | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
getting a hand-out they think should
come to them rather | 0:48:24 | 0:48:28 | |
than somebody from... | 0:48:28 | 0:48:30 | |
It must be awful for somebody
who can't afford a fridge to see | 0:48:30 | 0:48:34 | |
a new fridge going to one of these
multiple occupancy things, you know. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:37 | |
And I think we just touched
on something else there, | 0:48:37 | 0:48:39 | |
that we have no police,
we have no police presence at all. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:44 | |
In the past, Loftus has welcomed
immigrants from the likes of Bosnia, | 0:48:44 | 0:48:48 | |
we feel as though we are that far
down the pecking order | 0:48:48 | 0:48:52 | |
when it comes to anything,
volunteers are running that much | 0:48:52 | 0:48:54 | |
services now in this town,
in this area, it would be | 0:48:54 | 0:48:57 | |
wrong to put more things
on their shoulders so that they were | 0:48:57 | 0:49:00 | |
doing all the things
that the councils and the Government | 0:49:00 | 0:49:03 | |
should be doing. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:05 | |
The multi-billion pound Government
contract to provide accommodation | 0:49:05 | 0:49:09 | |
to asylum seekers for the next ten
years is currently out to tender, | 0:49:09 | 0:49:13 | |
and G4S, the company which houses
more new arrivals that any other, | 0:49:13 | 0:49:15 | |
is hopeful of getting
the green light. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:19 | |
But here in Sheffield,
campaigners like John Grayson, | 0:49:19 | 0:49:21 | |
an expert on asylum housing
and long-time critic of G4S, | 0:49:21 | 0:49:26 | |
say complaints about the company
make them unfit to do the job. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
A good minority of the housing,
30% at least, is appalling. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:34 | |
Atrocious conditions,
and it's been like that since 2012 | 0:49:34 | 0:49:39 | |
when they took over the contract. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
Hasn't got any better,
I'm still coming across houses | 0:49:42 | 0:49:45 | |
with rats, with terrible kind
of damp, bedbugs is very | 0:49:45 | 0:49:49 | |
common in their housing. | 0:49:49 | 0:49:54 | |
They dumped this disabled
asylum seeker in a house | 0:49:54 | 0:49:56 | |
with an asbestos notice on it,
where a ceiling had collapsed. | 0:49:56 | 0:50:00 | |
You know, their carers
wouldn't go in because of | 0:50:00 | 0:50:03 | |
that, quite right, too. | 0:50:03 | 0:50:07 | |
Only in November a child
with cancer, lung cancer, | 0:50:07 | 0:50:09 | |
was put in a house where there
were rats, and they knew there were | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
rats when they put her in there. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
There is a new ten-year £4 billion
contract out to tender at the moment | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
to house asylum seekers. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:20 | |
Should G4S get that contract? | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
No, definitely not, and I think
the record shows that. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:26 | |
Four Parliamentary committees have
said that they shouldn't actually be | 0:50:26 | 0:50:32 | |
housing asylum seekers
because of their atrocious | 0:50:32 | 0:50:34 | |
conditions, etc. | 0:50:34 | 0:50:36 | |
We think there could be legal
action to stop them. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:41 | |
Is this a political
point you're making? | 0:50:41 | 0:50:43 | |
Someone's got to house these people,
someone's got to get the contract. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:46 | |
We're only talking about 47,000
people across the UK | 0:50:46 | 0:50:49 | |
in asylum housing. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:51 | |
It's not an amazing number. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:53 | |
You'd have thought the housing
association sector, for instance, | 0:50:53 | 0:50:57 | |
would be an appropriate kind
of landlord, and I'm sure | 0:50:57 | 0:50:59 | |
the housing association sector
would be quite interested in getting | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
that kind of public money
to house asylum seekers. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:06 | |
G4S said the rats at the house
in Sheffield were coming from next | 0:51:06 | 0:51:09 | |
door, not one of theirs. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:10 | |
They said the family were moved
when they were told about the state | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
of the child's health,
and they say no asbestos was found | 0:51:14 | 0:51:17 | |
in the other property. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:18 | |
With companies currently vying
for these accommodation contracts, | 0:51:18 | 0:51:21 | |
MPs have said the voices of those
living in these houses | 0:51:21 | 0:51:24 | |
should be heard. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:25 | |
Many existing local residents said
they want their voices heard, too. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:33 | |
Phil says people talking about
asylum seekers like that, I do not | 0:51:39 | 0:51:44 | |
understand them. Their lives are
hard enough without that attitude. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:49 | |
And Roxy says this section of the
programme is so depressing. Can you | 0:51:49 | 0:51:54 | |
prove that these asylum seekers are
not rapists, can you prove that | 0:51:54 | 0:52:01 | |
locals are not. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
G4S did not want to be interviewed
about the claims in Sean's film. | 0:52:03 | 0:52:07 | |
But in a statement they told us:
"all G4S properties are subject | 0:52:07 | 0:52:09 | |
to inspections to ensure they meet
the standards set | 0:52:09 | 0:52:12 | |
by the Home Office. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:13 | |
There are over 4,000 inspections
conducted every month | 0:52:13 | 0:52:15 | |
by G4S and the Home Office
and Local Authorities | 0:52:15 | 0:52:17 | |
also conduct random,
no-notice inspections. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:19 | |
We always take complaints
about the accommodation | 0:52:19 | 0:52:21 | |
we provide very seriously. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:23 | |
Asylum seekers access our free 24/7
service centre by telephone in large | 0:52:23 | 0:52:26 | |
numbers to report problems,
in some months we receive | 0:52:26 | 0:52:28 | |
over 4,000 calls. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:31 | |
This demonstrates a service
which is working well and asylum | 0:52:31 | 0:52:34 | |
seekers are comfortable and willing
to engage, reporting issues." | 0:52:34 | 0:52:42 | |
Well it has been indicated that the
EU will support the UK in response | 0:52:45 | 0:52:50 | |
to the nerve agent being used in
Salisbury. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:53 | |
Russia's president, Vladimir Putin,
says it's 'nonsense' to suggest that | 0:52:53 | 0:52:55 | |
Russia poisoned the former double
agent, Sergei Skripal, | 0:52:55 | 0:52:57 | |
and his daughter in Salisbury. | 0:52:57 | 0:52:58 | |
Speaking after winning a fourth term
in office last night, | 0:52:58 | 0:53:01 | |
Mr Putin said it was 'unimaginable'
that Russia would do | 0:53:01 | 0:53:03 | |
such a thing ahead of
the election and the football | 0:53:03 | 0:53:06 | |
World Cup this summer. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:07 | |
Vladimir Putin was re-elected
as Russian president | 0:53:07 | 0:53:09 | |
with an increased -
76% - share of the vote | 0:53:09 | 0:53:11 | |
and will remain in office
for another six years. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:13 | |
TRANSLATION:
In relation to the tragedy you | 0:53:13 | 0:53:17 | |
mention I learnt about it from the
media and the first thing that came | 0:53:17 | 0:53:20 | |
into my mind is that if it was a
military operation people would have | 0:53:20 | 0:53:24 | |
died straightaway. This is the
number one. Secondly Russia does not | 0:53:24 | 0:53:29 | |
have those weapons. Russia has
demolished all of its chemical | 0:53:29 | 0:53:35 | |
weapons under the supervision,
international supervision. Some of | 0:53:35 | 0:53:43 | |
our partners have not yet done that.
Well he remains in office for | 0:53:43 | 0:53:49 | |
another six years. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:51 | |
That means the 65-year-old has been
either Russian president or prime | 0:53:51 | 0:53:53 | |
minister for 24 years. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:54 | |
Despite his time in office - very
little is actually known about him. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:57 | |
Here's the BBC's Russian translator
Pavel Koklachev with details. | 0:53:57 | 0:54:03 | |
Vladimir Putin. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:05 | |
Here are some facts you didn't know
about Russia's president. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:08 | |
First, he's a former spy. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:10 | |
Who worked in East
Germany for the KGB. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
So he can reportedly
speak German and English. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:16 | |
But in public he only
speaks Russian. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:20 | |
Being a former spy, his life
is shrouded in a lot of mystery. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:24 | |
So we cannot be absolutely sure
about what is fact and what is not. | 0:54:24 | 0:54:29 | |
But it seems sure that
he is a father to two | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
daughters although nothing
is known about them. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:36 | |
No photographs of them
exist and it is not known | 0:54:36 | 0:54:39 | |
whether they even live in Russia. | 0:54:39 | 0:54:46 | |
It is reported he is
divorced from his wife | 0:54:46 | 0:54:48 | |
in 2014. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:49 | |
We know her name, but not much
else is known about her. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:56 | |
For the president of a country that
helped invent vodka, | 0:54:56 | 0:54:58 | |
Putin is reportedly nearly teetotal. | 0:54:58 | 0:54:59 | |
It is not known if this is fact. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
But the only time he has ever been
seen holding a drink | 0:55:02 | 0:55:05 | |
is on official occasions. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:07 | |
Speaking of drinking and eating,
everything that Putin eats has | 0:55:07 | 0:55:10 | |
to have been cleared by the Kremlin. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:13 | |
According to a report in 2014,
the security around Putin | 0:55:13 | 0:55:16 | |
is so tight that when he travels
to foreign countries | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
all the food and drink,
even the bed sheets, | 0:55:19 | 0:55:23 | |
are flown in from Russia. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:25 | |
For security reasons it is reported
he does not use much technology. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:32 | |
According to a Newsweek magazine
profile he rarely uses the internet. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:35 | |
Putin likes to portray
himself as a tough guy. | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
As such he has only ever once
shown emotion in public. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:43 | |
He cried at the funeral of the man
who gave him his political break. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:48 | |
His tough guy image is enhanced
with his black belt in judo. | 0:55:48 | 0:55:54 | |
And playing ice hockey and riding
bareback on horseback. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:58 | |
This is when Putin is reported to be
most happy although again, | 0:55:58 | 0:56:01 | |
it is not known whether this
is a fact. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:03 | |
Or just information
supplied by the Kremlin. | 0:56:03 | 0:56:11 | |
Let's speak to Dmitry Linnik,
a former Russian journalist, | 0:56:13 | 0:56:16 | |
who worked for the Voice of Russia
radio station, and now works | 0:56:16 | 0:56:21 | |
at media brand Sputnik,
Professor Margot Light, | 0:56:21 | 0:56:24 | |
an expert on Russian foreign policy. | 0:56:24 | 0:56:27 | |
And MP Stephen Kinnock,
a Labour backbencher, | 0:56:27 | 0:56:29 | |
who has said Britain should push
to strip Russia of the World Cup | 0:56:29 | 0:56:32 | |
and have it held next
year in another country. | 0:56:32 | 0:56:34 | |
He was forced to leave
St Petersburg when he worked | 0:56:34 | 0:56:37 | |
for the British Council
a decade ago... | 0:56:37 | 0:56:43 | |
Russian people will support Putin no
matter what he does but you might I | 0:56:43 | 0:56:49 | |
guess qualified support is quite
significant, yes. It would be fair | 0:56:49 | 0:56:52 | |
to say there is a lot of
dissatisfaction a lot of fatigue | 0:56:52 | 0:56:56 | |
perhaps. A lot of anger and
opposition. But when the chips are | 0:56:56 | 0:57:03 | |
down yes, the 76% is an increase on
2012. And that is partly because a | 0:57:03 | 0:57:11 | |
spokesman for the campaign said
because of what happened as they put | 0:57:11 | 0:57:15 | |
it, thanks largely to the UK Gaza
what happened two weeks ago in | 0:57:15 | 0:57:18 | |
Salisbury. I do not think it could
have played a major role but maybe | 0:57:18 | 0:57:23 | |
you know a few percentage points,
yes. Stephen Kinnock, what is your | 0:57:23 | 0:57:28 | |
reaction to the election and claims
of vote rigging? I think democracy | 0:57:28 | 0:57:35 | |
is not just about what happens at
the ballot box, it is the whole | 0:57:35 | 0:57:38 | |
environment in which the election
takes place, some of the political | 0:57:38 | 0:57:42 | |
debate takes place. The fact is the
Russian state basically controls the | 0:57:42 | 0:57:45 | |
television media and newspaper
reading in Russia is relatively low | 0:57:45 | 0:57:52 | |
levels. So the television plays a
massive role. And it is in essence a | 0:57:52 | 0:57:57 | |
propaganda vehicle for Mr Putin. So
not surprising he has tremendous | 0:57:57 | 0:58:02 | |
support, I think also worth
recognising there are still a lot of | 0:58:02 | 0:58:05 | |
support frames of the Russian people
feel he has delivered security and | 0:58:05 | 0:58:09 | |
stability and a certain amount of
economic growth compared to the | 0:58:09 | 0:58:12 | |
total chaos of the Yeltsin years. So
I think broadly is the Russian | 0:58:12 | 0:58:21 | |
people certainly outside of Moscow
and St Petersburg support Putin. But | 0:58:21 | 0:58:23 | |
I also think there is not proper
there. One of the strongest | 0:58:23 | 0:58:29 | |
candidate in opposition has been
constantly repressed and suppressed. | 0:58:29 | 0:58:35 | |
Of course we have the assassination
as well of a political rival soap | 0:58:35 | 0:58:41 | |
not really what we would describe as
a free and fair situation for the is | 0:58:41 | 0:58:45 | |
that fair? Russia is a tough place,
a rough place, much more so than the | 0:58:45 | 0:58:52 | |
UK or any other established
democracy. But it is a much more | 0:58:52 | 0:58:57 | |
normal country then people often
tend to believe in the West, and in | 0:58:57 | 0:59:02 | |
the UK. And perhaps primarily in the
UK because the UK has been at the | 0:59:02 | 0:59:08 | |
forefront of this massive sustained
could probably call it media war on | 0:59:08 | 0:59:14 | |
Putin and Russia. And media war on
Hughton and Russia, Stephen Kinnock? | 0:59:14 | 0:59:21 | |
I spent three years living and
working in Russia and it has a | 0:59:21 | 0:59:24 | |
special place in my heart, I think
it is a wonderful country and I | 0:59:24 | 0:59:28 | |
agree it is also a tough country for
that amazing people, culture, | 0:59:28 | 0:59:32 | |
literature, history. A truly
fascinating place. But I'm afraid | 0:59:32 | 0:59:37 | |
the Russian people for centuries
have been let down by their leaders. | 0:59:37 | 0:59:42 | |
There is a tendency to
authoritarianism, to despotic | 0:59:42 | 0:59:48 | |
tendencies, to the state using fear
to suppress its people. And those | 0:59:48 | 0:59:53 | |
are just the facts of the matter.
Clearly Russia has changed | 0:59:53 | 0:59:58 | |
enormously since the collapse of the
Soviet Union. I do not think that we | 0:59:58 | 1:00:01 | |
are in a new Cold War, I think what
we have far more is a very dangerous | 1:00:01 | 1:00:06 | |
coalition of the security state and
the Mafia that are running the show. | 1:00:06 | 1:00:12 | |
And are not always sure whether Mr
Putin is truly in control of what is | 1:00:12 | 1:00:16 | |
happening in the Kremlin or whether
he's just a front man for all kinds | 1:00:16 | 1:00:20 | |
of, the deep state around him.
Nobody really knows what is going on | 1:00:20 | 1:00:25 | |
and that is part of the difficulty
with this because of course that | 1:00:25 | 1:00:28 | |
lack of transparency is what reads
this constant sense that there is a | 1:00:28 | 1:00:34 | |
hostile posture in Russia towards
the West. | 1:00:34 | 1:00:41 | |
Dmitri? I agree with a lot of the.
There is a tradition that is | 1:00:44 | 1:00:48 | |
difficult. But again, there is such
a vast gap between the oppression of | 1:00:48 | 1:01:00 | |
Stalin and Zara 's and Russia today. | 1:01:00 | 1:01:03 | |
These are two completely different
countries that we need to speak | 1:01:03 | 1:01:06 | |
about and be aware of that. So I
give qualified support what MP | 1:01:06 | 1:01:15 | |
Kinnock has just said. Professor,
when you hear President Putin saying | 1:01:15 | 1:01:19 | |
Russia has destroyed all its
chemical weapons, it's nonsense to | 1:01:19 | 1:01:23 | |
implicate his government in the
attack on Salisbury on the 4th of | 1:01:23 | 1:01:26 | |
March, how do you respond? It's true
the Organisation for the Prohibition | 1:01:26 | 1:01:32 | |
of Chemical Weapons certified that
Russia no longer had any chemical | 1:01:32 | 1:01:36 | |
weapons. We will have to wait to see
what the organisation now says about | 1:01:36 | 1:01:40 | |
the samples it is taking from
Salisbury before we come to any firm | 1:01:40 | 1:01:46 | |
conclusions. You must admit that
when you think of the reputational | 1:01:46 | 1:01:50 | |
damage to Russia in the last two
weeks, it would really be an | 1:01:50 | 1:01:57 | |
extraordinarily poor sense of
politics that would explain any kind | 1:01:57 | 1:02:03 | |
of motivation for this poisoning
being accomplished by the President | 1:02:03 | 1:02:10 | |
ordered by the President. Sorry,
explain what you mean? Well, what | 1:02:10 | 1:02:15 | |
has happened in the last two weeks
has hardly done Russia's reputation | 1:02:15 | 1:02:19 | |
any good. It is extraordinary to
think that the president would order | 1:02:19 | 1:02:28 | |
poisoning by a chemical weapons that
can easily be identified as being | 1:02:28 | 1:02:32 | |
produced by Russia. It is so hard to
see the motivation. I am going to | 1:02:32 | 1:02:40 | |
leave it there. Thank you, all of
you. Use of sport are on the way in | 1:02:40 | 1:02:46 | |
a moment. Before that, the weather. | 1:02:46 | 1:02:48 | |
Heavy snow over the weekend did
cause some disruption and with cold | 1:02:52 | 1:02:55 | |
nights and snow on the ground, we
are looking at problems with ice | 1:02:55 | 1:03:02 | |
over the next few days. Temperatures
are still struggling. We are looking | 1:03:02 | 1:03:07 | |
at another cold day. | 1:03:07 | 1:03:12 | |
at another cold day. If Chrissy
sunshine across Northern Ireland, | 1:03:16 | 1:03:18 | |
England and Wales. Edit more cloud
in eastern outbreaks of friends of | 1:03:18 | 1:03:24 | |
the Northern Isles, with highs of
seven Celsius. It will be breezy in | 1:03:24 | 1:03:28 | |
the south. Staying breezy overnight,
with increasing amount of cloud and | 1:03:28 | 1:03:32 | |
a few wintry showers moving in from
the east. They will be drier in the | 1:03:32 | 1:03:37 | |
north-west, with clearer skies which
allow temperatures to fall away. We | 1:03:37 | 1:03:44 | |
are looking at a cold start to the
day tomorrow and a frosty one. A few | 1:03:44 | 1:03:48 | |
patches of i again. A few showers in
the East. | 1:03:48 | 1:03:53 | |
patches of i again. A few showers in
the East. | 1:03:53 | 1:03:55 | |
Hello, it's 10 o'clock,
I'm Victoria Derbyshire. | 1:03:55 | 1:03:59 | |
Highly addictive fixed odds betting
terminals should have their maximum | 1:03:59 | 1:04:02 | |
stake reduced from £100
to £30 or less - according | 1:04:02 | 1:04:04 | |
to the Gambling Commission. | 1:04:04 | 1:04:05 | |
But gambling addicts have
told this programme even | 1:04:05 | 1:04:07 | |
more needs to be done. | 1:04:07 | 1:04:13 | |
Reducing the stake on one
form of gambling is not | 1:04:13 | 1:04:16 | |
going to help a problem gambler. | 1:04:16 | 1:04:17 | |
I mean, if it does happen,
what happens after to the gambling | 1:04:17 | 1:04:20 | |
addict if it gets reduced to £2? | 1:04:20 | 1:04:22 | |
Are they still gambling? | 1:04:22 | 1:04:30 | |
Do get in touch with your experience
of using this terminals. | 1:04:31 | 1:04:35 | |
Also on the programme -
she went to Syria to fight | 1:04:35 | 1:04:37 | |
against Islamic State. | 1:04:37 | 1:04:38 | |
British woman Anna Campbell
has died, fighting | 1:04:38 | 1:04:40 | |
alongside Kurdish forces. | 1:04:40 | 1:04:41 | |
I said, you know,
you could be killed. | 1:04:41 | 1:04:43 | |
And she said, I know, Dad. | 1:04:43 | 1:04:44 | |
There's nothing I can do to reassure
you about that, but I've got to do | 1:04:44 | 1:04:48 | |
this. | 1:04:48 | 1:04:53 | |
We'll hear more from Anna's dad
and from one of her friends | 1:04:53 | 1:04:56 | |
later in the programme. | 1:04:56 | 1:04:57 | |
And Ant McPartlin has been arrested
on suspicion of drink | 1:04:57 | 1:04:59 | |
driving after his car crashed
into two others yesterday. | 1:04:59 | 1:05:01 | |
We'll bring you the story. | 1:05:01 | 1:05:09 | |
Let's bring you the latest news so
far today. | 1:05:15 | 1:05:19 | |
The Gambling Commission has
recommended that the maximum stake | 1:05:19 | 1:05:21 | |
for fixed-odds betting terminals
should be reduced from £100 | 1:05:21 | 1:05:23 | |
to £30, or £2 in the case | 1:05:23 | 1:05:25 | |
of slot machines. | 1:05:25 | 1:05:26 | |
It says cutting the stake alone
won't cure problem gambling and has | 1:05:26 | 1:05:29 | |
recommended what it calls
a "comprehensive package of other | 1:05:29 | 1:05:31 | |
measures to protect consumers". | 1:05:31 | 1:05:32 | |
The industry had said a blanket
reduction to two pounds | 1:05:32 | 1:05:35 | |
would cost thousands of jobs. | 1:05:35 | 1:05:38 | |
We are also proposing
that there should be | 1:05:38 | 1:05:40 | |
a form of tracked play | 1:05:40 | 1:05:41 | |
so that players themselves can have
access to good quality data on their | 1:05:41 | 1:05:45 | |
play behaviour, how
much they've lost | 1:05:45 | 1:05:46 | |
and importantly, that gambling
companies then have no excuse not to | 1:05:46 | 1:05:48 | |
spot problem gambling and act on it. | 1:05:48 | 1:05:56 | |
Official results from Russia show
President Putin has been re-elected | 1:05:58 | 1:06:01 | |
with more than 76% of the vote. He
told a victory rally that Russia | 1:06:01 | 1:06:06 | |
must maintain unity following his
landslide win, but CCTV footage from | 1:06:06 | 1:06:10 | |
a number of polling stations appears
to show election officials stuffing | 1:06:10 | 1:06:13 | |
boxes with ballot papers. | 1:06:13 | 1:06:24 | |
International chemical weapons
experts are due to arrive | 1:06:25 | 1:06:27 | |
in the UK later today to test
the nerve agent used to poison | 1:06:27 | 1:06:30 | |
former Russian spy Sergei Skripal
and his daughter Yulia. | 1:06:30 | 1:06:32 | |
President Putin says
claims his country was behind | 1:06:32 | 1:06:34 | |
the attack are "nonsense",
but Boris Johnson claims Russia has | 1:06:34 | 1:06:36 | |
been stockpiling Novichok for years. | 1:06:36 | 1:06:38 | |
Test results could be seen
in around two weeks' time. | 1:06:38 | 1:06:40 | |
The television presenter
Ant McPartlin has been arrested | 1:06:40 | 1:06:42 | |
on suspicion of drink driving. | 1:06:42 | 1:06:43 | |
Police say they were called
to reports of a collision involving | 1:06:43 | 1:06:47 | |
three cars in south-west
London yesterday afternoon. | 1:06:47 | 1:06:49 | |
A child passenger in one of them was
taken to hospital as a precaution. | 1:06:49 | 1:06:52 | |
In a statement, Scotland Yard said
a 42-year-old man was arrested | 1:06:52 | 1:06:55 | |
at the scene after failing
a breathalyser test. | 1:06:55 | 1:07:01 | |
A British woman has been killed in
northern Syria fighting alongside | 1:07:01 | 1:07:04 | |
Kurdish forces. It is understood
that and I Campbell, who was 26 and | 1:07:04 | 1:07:08 | |
from Lewisham East Sussex, died in
the town of Afrin, which had been | 1:07:08 | 1:07:12 | |
the target of a Turkish offensive.
Her father has told the BBC she was | 1:07:12 | 1:07:17 | |
idealistic and knew she was putting
her life at risk. | 1:07:17 | 1:07:19 | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC
News - more at 10.30. | 1:07:19 | 1:07:24 | |
Here's some sport now. | 1:07:24 | 1:07:27 | |
Rory McIlroy is the new favourite
for the Masters after picking | 1:07:27 | 1:07:30 | |
up his first tournament win
since September 2016. | 1:07:30 | 1:07:32 | |
He's up
to seven in the world | 1:07:32 | 1:07:34 | |
as well after winning | 1:07:34 | 1:07:35 | |
the Arnold Palmer Invitational
in Florida by three shots. | 1:07:35 | 1:07:43 | |
A final round included five birdies
in the first six holes. I gave | 1:07:44 | 1:07:53 | |
myself chances with every hole and
executed shots the way I wanted to | 1:07:53 | 1:07:57 | |
when I need to. 64 in those
conditions out there, with it being | 1:07:57 | 1:08:02 | |
firm and fast, to get into the
winner's circle again feels good. | 1:08:02 | 1:08:10 | |
The blues bounced back from their
Champions League exit earlier in the | 1:08:14 | 1:08:18 | |
week and with them being way off the
pace in the Premier League, the FA | 1:08:18 | 1:08:21 | |
Cup is their only real chance for a
trophy this season. But they had to | 1:08:21 | 1:08:24 | |
work for it against Leicester, Pedro
getting the winner after extra time. | 1:08:24 | 1:08:29 | |
2-1 was the final score and this is
Chelsea's tenth FA Cup semifinal in | 1:08:29 | 1:08:36 | |
18 years. Chelsea will play
Southampton, while Tottenham will | 1:08:36 | 1:08:39 | |
face Manchester United at their home
ground at Wembley, although Spurs | 1:08:39 | 1:08:42 | |
will be in the away dressing room.
The draw for the women's FA Cup was | 1:08:42 | 1:08:49 | |
also made an Radio 5 Live this
morning. Holders Manchester City | 1:08:49 | 1:08:53 | |
will play Chelsea if they can
overcome Sunderland. The other semi | 1:08:53 | 1:08:57 | |
sees Durham or Everton face Arsenal
or Charlton. Both semis will be | 1:08:57 | 1:09:01 | |
shown live on the BBC.
Roger Federer heaped praise on Juan | 1:09:01 | 1:09:06 | |
Martin del Potro after he was beaten
to the first time in 18 matches. Del | 1:09:06 | 1:09:10 | |
Potro saved three match points as he
prevailed in the final of the Indian | 1:09:10 | 1:09:15 | |
Wells Masters. World number one
Federer said Del Potro deserved the | 1:09:15 | 1:09:20 | |
win and congratulated him on a
fantastic tournament. Now, have a | 1:09:20 | 1:09:26 | |
look at this. This is Andy Murray
getting his hotel room broken into | 1:09:26 | 1:09:33 | |
by the comedian Michael McIntyre.
It's not as sinister as it sounds. | 1:09:33 | 1:09:36 | |
This is all in aid of Sport Relief.
And the! | 1:09:36 | 1:09:47 | |
And the! -- and the! BLEEP. To the
Sport Relief midnight game show, | 1:09:47 | 1:09:54 | |
with Sir Andy Murray. Morning, Andy!
There was Andy Murray thinking he | 1:09:54 | 1:10:05 | |
was away from the limelight for a
little bit. Not according to Michael | 1:10:05 | 1:10:09 | |
McIntyre. Not only has he been woken
up in the middle of the night, he | 1:10:09 | 1:10:12 | |
then has to answer quiz questions. I
think he handles it pretty well. | 1:10:12 | 1:10:19 | |
There are a few seconds at the
beginning where you think, he is in | 1:10:19 | 1:10:23 | |
the foulest mood! But he soon
realises and put the smile on | 1:10:23 | 1:10:27 | |
because he is a pro. Exactly, he
handled it very well. | 1:10:27 | 1:10:33 | |
Let's bring you more
on the news that one | 1:10:33 | 1:10:36 | |
half of Ant'n'Dec -
Ant McPartlin - has been arrested | 1:10:36 | 1:10:38 | |
on suspicion of drink-driving
after a collision involving three | 1:10:38 | 1:10:40 | |
vehicles in south-west London. | 1:10:40 | 1:10:45 | |
This was him with Declan the night
before, hosting Saturday Night | 1:10:45 | 1:10:49 | |
Takeaway on ITV. You are a good
crowd tonight! Us with us is our | 1:10:49 | 1:10:58 | |
guest, Emma Bunton! Hiya, Emma! It's
great to have you here. I was so | 1:10:58 | 1:11:07 | |
excited to be here! I love the show.
But from our point of view, to have | 1:11:07 | 1:11:13 | |
a real-life Spice Girl... | 1:11:13 | 1:11:16 | |
We're joined now by entertainment | 1:11:16 | 1:11:17 | |
journalist Caroline Frost. | 1:11:17 | 1:11:21 | |
That clip was Saturday evening. By
Sunday afternoon yesterday, about | 1:11:21 | 1:11:26 | |
four o'clock, Ant was reportedly
stopped. Witnesses heard a huge | 1:11:26 | 1:11:29 | |
crash occur on the lower Richmond
road, just south of the Thames, West | 1:11:29 | 1:11:34 | |
London. By all reports, on the way
back from the park after walking his | 1:11:34 | 1:11:38 | |
dogs with his mother, he lost
control with his Mini, went on to | 1:11:38 | 1:11:41 | |
the wrong side of the road, crashed
into an oncoming Mini and another | 1:11:41 | 1:11:45 | |
car and the car eventually spun to a
halt. It could have been much worse. | 1:11:45 | 1:11:50 | |
Mercifully, one small child was
taken to hospital, which is | 1:11:50 | 1:11:54 | |
obviously serious, but no one else
was hurt. There were huge amounts of | 1:11:54 | 1:11:58 | |
witnesses crowding around the scene
who saw a shocked Ant McPartlin, who | 1:11:58 | 1:12:03 | |
was taken away by police and returns
to his home this morning at around | 1:12:03 | 1:12:07 | |
3am. He has been in the media
because he has had much documented | 1:12:07 | 1:12:13 | |
issues with prescription painkiller
addiction. The cliche is a | 1:12:13 | 1:12:19 | |
roller-coaster year, but for once it
is adequate to the description, | 1:12:19 | 1:12:22 | |
because last year it was all going
well for them. It has been going | 1:12:22 | 1:12:25 | |
well for them for years, and though
he had this leg injury and became | 1:12:25 | 1:12:29 | |
addicted to painkillers. He himself
asked for help. He | 1:12:29 | 1:12:38 | |
asked for help. He texted Dec,
saying he needed help. He came back | 1:12:38 | 1:12:42 | |
and there was a huge reception for
him, with awards. They are today's | 1:12:42 | 1:12:48 | |
finalist, and now this. So we have
again seen a huge dip in his | 1:12:48 | 1:12:52 | |
fortunes. And he has separated from
his wife. Yes. The pair of them live | 1:12:52 | 1:12:57 | |
almost next to each other. They both
have lovely wives and families. You | 1:12:57 | 1:13:01 | |
will see them around in West London
by the river on a Sunday, and in the | 1:13:01 | 1:13:06 | |
space of a few months, it feels like
so many things have changed. The | 1:13:06 | 1:13:09 | |
stability of his marriage is no
longer in his life. He has had this | 1:13:09 | 1:13:13 | |
terrible injury that he is still
trying to adjust to, and now this. | 1:13:13 | 1:13:17 | |
So a huge amount of change. Although
as you saw on Saturday night, it is | 1:13:17 | 1:13:22 | |
still very glossy and popular. Thank
you. | 1:13:22 | 1:13:26 | |
A British woman has been killed
in northern Syria fighting | 1:13:26 | 1:13:30 | |
alongside Kurdish forces. | 1:13:30 | 1:13:34 | |
It's understood that Anna Campbell -
who was 26 and from | 1:13:34 | 1:13:37 | |
Lewes in East Sussex -
died in the town of Afrin, | 1:13:37 | 1:13:39 | |
which has been the target
of a Turkish offensive. | 1:13:39 | 1:13:42 | |
Her father Dirk Campbell
said his daughter was "very | 1:13:42 | 1:13:44 | |
idealistic" and "determined". | 1:13:44 | 1:13:50 | |
She came to see me in May last
year, and she told me | 1:13:50 | 1:13:53 | |
she was going to go to Syria. | 1:13:53 | 1:13:54 | |
She was quite adamant about it. | 1:13:54 | 1:14:00 | |
I said "You could be killed.
And she said "I know, Dad. | 1:14:00 | 1:14:08 | |
"There's nothing I can do
to reassure you about that | 1:14:09 | 1:14:11 | |
but I've got do this". | 1:14:11 | 1:14:14 | |
I didn't foresee that it
would work out very well. | 1:14:14 | 1:14:16 | |
I knew that she was intentionally
risking her life, as a lot | 1:14:16 | 1:14:22 | |
of families in this country have
also undergone this awful worry, | 1:14:22 | 1:14:28 | |
trauma, shock of the final knew
to be told that their child has been | 1:14:28 | 1:14:34 | |
trauma, shock of the final news
to be told that their child has been | 1:14:34 | 1:14:38 | |
killed fighting for freedom,
for equality, for representation, | 1:14:38 | 1:14:40 | |
for a better world. | 1:14:40 | 1:14:48 | |
We can speak now to Macer Gifford,
which is not his real name. | 1:14:51 | 1:14:54 | |
He was a close friend
of Anna Campbell, and last | 1:14:54 | 1:14:57 | |
saw her in May 2017. | 1:14:57 | 1:14:58 | |
Macer gave up a career in finance
and flew to Syria three years ago | 1:14:58 | 1:15:01 | |
to fight with Kurdish forces
against the IS group. | 1:15:01 | 1:15:03 | |
He came back from Raqqa last year. | 1:15:03 | 1:15:09 | |
And he has been on our programme to
tell you about that. How do you | 1:15:10 | 1:15:14 | |
react to news that your friend has
lost her life question mark with | 1:15:14 | 1:15:19 | |
shock and sadness. And you are very
well, I came in with her in May. She | 1:15:19 | 1:15:25 | |
was full of life, full of
enthusiasm. She was so desperate to | 1:15:25 | 1:15:30 | |
join the Y P J. She had heard all
about them, their resistance against | 1:15:30 | 1:15:35 | |
the Islamic State, the things they
were doing for the communities they | 1:15:35 | 1:15:38 | |
were liberating. So she was inspired
and she had come a long way to be in | 1:15:38 | 1:15:44 | |
Syria in support of local people. So
I'm just shocked as someone who met | 1:15:44 | 1:15:50 | |
her and saw were so full of life to
hear that she has passed away. But | 1:15:50 | 1:15:55 | |
of course that is the risk if you go
out to Syria to fight. Absolutely. | 1:15:55 | 1:15:59 | |
We are all aware of the risks,
hundreds of international is from | 1:15:59 | 1:16:04 | |
the UK and America and all across
the world have gone to fight and | 1:16:04 | 1:16:07 | |
seven British men have fought and
died in Syria alongside the Kurdish | 1:16:07 | 1:16:11 | |
people. In defence of their rights
and their liberty against Islamic | 1:16:11 | 1:16:17 | |
State for that she's the first
female fighter to die on the front | 1:16:17 | 1:16:20 | |
line. So I hope this draws attention
to what is going on on the ground | 1:16:20 | 1:16:28 | |
that there are people fighting for
democracy, equality and freedom that | 1:16:28 | 1:16:30 | |
belief in secular, democratic values
and international is across the | 1:16:30 | 1:16:36 | |
world are at their supporting them.
So there are good people in Syria, | 1:16:36 | 1:16:39 | |
we just need to find out who they
are. The Home Office warns that | 1:16:39 | 1:16:43 | |
anyone joining the Syrian conflict
on whatever side can be prosecuted | 1:16:43 | 1:16:46 | |
for crimes committed abroad but
although it did not happen to you so | 1:16:46 | 1:16:52 | |
I wonder how you take the morning.
That is right, anyone who goes to | 1:16:52 | 1:16:57 | |
Syria and joins whatever group, they
are responsible for their actions. | 1:16:57 | 1:17:04 | |
And I, myself and hundreds of other
Brits who have gone out to fight | 1:17:04 | 1:17:08 | |
against Isis went because we believe
in democracy and believe in | 1:17:08 | 1:17:11 | |
representative democracy and
equality and freedom. We went there | 1:17:11 | 1:17:14 | |
knowing that if we did anything
inappropriate or wrong in the | 1:17:14 | 1:17:18 | |
country that we were liable for
prosecution in return. So I'm very | 1:17:18 | 1:17:22 | |
supportive of that. Sorry to
interrupt, it is not about whether | 1:17:22 | 1:17:26 | |
you do something wrong in the
country but just the fact of going | 1:17:26 | 1:17:30 | |
to join the conflict, that means
that you are liable to potential | 1:17:30 | 1:17:32 | |
prosecution. Potentially, there is
no law saying that fighting abroad | 1:17:32 | 1:17:37 | |
is illegal, it really is what you
get up to what you fight for when | 1:17:37 | 1:17:41 | |
you're are there. And at the end of
the day and fought for the local | 1:17:41 | 1:17:45 | |
people, for democracy. And they're
not listed as a terrorist group by | 1:17:45 | 1:17:52 | |
the way by any party. They are also
supported in fact by the UK and | 1:17:52 | 1:17:56 | |
America. Britain was fighting in
support of the group in Iraq. And | 1:17:56 | 1:18:08 | |
what is different of course is that
she went out to fight against | 1:18:08 | 1:18:12 | |
Islamic State. In the past few
months Turkey has invaded and that | 1:18:12 | 1:18:14 | |
is the big problem. Turkey considers
the group that she joined as an arm | 1:18:14 | 1:18:22 | |
of the PKK, a terrorist organisation
and hence the bombardment in this | 1:18:22 | 1:18:26 | |
part of Syria. And that is what's so
wrong, they're not listed as a | 1:18:26 | 1:18:31 | |
terrorist group, not linked with the
PKK. The UK and America has said | 1:18:31 | 1:18:37 | |
that clearly. Turkey at the end of
the day is confusing what is going | 1:18:37 | 1:18:41 | |
on in Syria with its own internal
problems. Turkey is falling to bits | 1:18:41 | 1:18:46 | |
politically, it is arresting
journalists and academics. They've | 1:18:46 | 1:18:48 | |
long campaign to get rid of Assad,
long supported jihadists groups in | 1:18:48 | 1:18:52 | |
Syria. Many of the units they had
taken from the Kurdish people, has | 1:18:52 | 1:18:58 | |
already talks of beheading, looting,
hundreds of civilians have died. And | 1:18:58 | 1:19:03 | |
what we have done is to stop the
fight against Islamic State and | 1:19:03 | 1:19:08 | |
opened up a whole new front and that
is making the Civil War even more | 1:19:08 | 1:19:13 | |
bloody and brutal and a lot more
complex to solve. Thank you very | 1:19:13 | 1:19:16 | |
much for talking to us. | 1:19:16 | 1:19:21 | |
The authorities here have advised
that becoming involved with any | 1:19:21 | 1:19:23 | |
armed group could lead
to arrest and prosecution. | 1:19:23 | 1:19:31 | |
Some e-mails from you about fixed
odds betting terminals. It has been | 1:19:32 | 1:19:39 | |
suggested that the maximum stake
should be reduced from £100 to £30 | 1:19:39 | 1:19:45 | |
left. This person says they've
worked in betting shops were 20 | 1:19:45 | 1:19:49 | |
years and have seen the change in
the industry. All the betting firms | 1:19:49 | 1:19:53 | |
want to remote FOBTs. The training
that the staff had is pathetic, | 1:19:53 | 1:19:58 | |
we're told that we have no duty of
care and should not interact with | 1:19:58 | 1:20:02 | |
customers if they show signs
aggression. I have worked in busy | 1:20:02 | 1:20:07 | |
betting shops that are understaffed
and we are too busy with | 1:20:07 | 1:20:11 | |
over-the-counter business to monitor
what is going on with FOBTs. Another | 1:20:11 | 1:20:14 | |
says my son has lost thousands of
pounds playing in bookies and | 1:20:14 | 1:20:19 | |
believe me no staff member
intervenes. They even let people who | 1:20:19 | 1:20:22 | |
are drunk gamble thousands of pounds
away. The government to decide | 1:20:22 | 1:20:26 | |
whether they want to be responsible
rather than using this as an | 1:20:26 | 1:20:30 | |
indirect form of taxing the
vulnerable poor. And another serving | 1:20:30 | 1:20:36 | |
less officer who wants to remain
anonymous, in the borough I work in | 1:20:36 | 1:20:41 | |
police are called to betting shops
everyday more than twice a day to | 1:20:41 | 1:20:44 | |
drunk customers refusing to leave or
damaging the premises. Because | 1:20:44 | 1:20:46 | |
they've money. These shops are
licensed premises and should be | 1:20:46 | 1:20:51 | |
regulated more by the government to
stop people who are drunk gambling. | 1:20:51 | 1:20:55 | |
They also make thousands of pounds
per day social should be made to | 1:20:55 | 1:20:59 | |
provide security on the door to stop
drunk people going in and also | 1:20:59 | 1:21:02 | |
remove people causing disturbance
and stop people who are banned from | 1:21:02 | 1:21:08 | |
entering. Thank you very much for
those comments. | 1:21:08 | 1:21:13 | |
A number of new victims of child
sexual exploitation in Telford have | 1:21:13 | 1:21:16 | |
come forward over the last week. | 1:21:16 | 1:21:18 | |
Conservative MP Lucy Allan said
she had been "inundated" | 1:21:18 | 1:21:22 | |
with reports since speaking
about the issue in Parliament. | 1:21:22 | 1:21:25 | |
On
this programme last week we heard | 1:21:25 | 1:21:27 | |
how abuse in the town could be
of a greater scale than any | 1:21:27 | 1:21:30 | |
other seen in the UK. | 1:21:30 | 1:21:32 | |
One victim - Holly -
told us she'd been abused | 1:21:32 | 1:21:35 | |
from the age of 14. | 1:21:35 | 1:21:41 | |
I was in cars that were stopped
and searched by the police. | 1:21:41 | 1:21:44 | |
With older men. | 1:21:44 | 1:21:46 | |
And it was never questioned why
I was in there or who I was, my name | 1:21:46 | 1:21:50 | |
was never asked. | 1:21:50 | 1:21:51 | |
And I just think if they had
been more proactive at | 1:21:51 | 1:21:54 | |
points like that, things
could have changed earlier. | 1:21:54 | 1:22:02 | |
I was also going to the doctor
and the youth sexual | 1:22:02 | 1:22:05 | |
health clinic a couple of times
a week for about three years, | 1:22:05 | 1:22:09 | |
getting the morning after pill. | 1:22:09 | 1:22:12 | |
How many times do
you think you took the | 1:22:12 | 1:22:14 | |
morning after pill? | 1:22:14 | 1:22:15 | |
I could not even
estimate how many times. | 1:22:15 | 1:22:17 | |
Dozens, hundreds? | 1:22:17 | 1:22:18 | |
You were going twice a week for it? | 1:22:18 | 1:22:20 | |
Yes, twice a week. | 1:22:20 | 1:22:21 | |
Over three years? | 1:22:21 | 1:22:22 | |
Yes. | 1:22:22 | 1:22:23 | |
And no one there raised the alarm? | 1:22:23 | 1:22:25 | |
No. | 1:22:25 | 1:22:26 | |
Nothing. | 1:22:26 | 1:22:27 | |
Did they ask you why
you kept coming back? | 1:22:27 | 1:22:29 | |
No, nobody asked any questions. | 1:22:29 | 1:22:32 | |
And I had two abortions. | 1:22:32 | 1:22:35 | |
And also again no questions were
asked as to what was going on in my | 1:22:35 | 1:22:39 | |
life. | 1:22:39 | 1:22:40 | |
I feel if someone had shown that
interest, asked me just a few | 1:22:40 | 1:22:43 | |
questions, it may have
made me speak out. | 1:22:43 | 1:22:46 | |
At least just say there is something
not quite right going on | 1:22:46 | 1:22:49 | |
and I'm not comfortable. | 1:22:49 | 1:22:52 | |
But no, nothing was ever said. | 1:22:52 | 1:22:58 | |
Assistant Chief Constable Martin
Evans said was pleased that a "small | 1:22:58 | 1:23:01 | |
number of victims" have had
the confidence to come forward | 1:23:01 | 1:23:05 | |
and they were now being given
appropriate support. | 1:23:05 | 1:23:07 | |
He confirmed | 1:23:07 | 1:23:09 | |
that since 2016 the dedicated CSE
team in Telford has arrested 56 | 1:23:09 | 1:23:12 | |
people, resulting in 29 charges,
with a number of these | 1:23:12 | 1:23:15 | |
investigations still ongoing. | 1:23:15 | 1:23:19 | |
Tackling child sexual exploitation
is the number one priority for | 1:23:19 | 1:23:22 | |
police in Telford. | 1:23:22 | 1:23:25 | |
We have specialist
officers and resources in | 1:23:25 | 1:23:28 | |
place tackling this type
of offending and we are committed to | 1:23:28 | 1:23:34 | |
using our resources and technology
to pursue anyone who sexual offence | 1:23:34 | 1:23:38 | |
against children. | 1:23:38 | 1:23:40 | |
Whether that offending
took place today, last | 1:23:40 | 1:23:42 | |
week, or years ago. | 1:23:42 | 1:23:50 | |
Well Telford Council are calling on
the government to launch a statutory | 1:23:57 | 1:24:02 | |
enquiry. | 1:24:02 | 1:24:03 | |
We can speak to Councillor Nicola
Lowery, Conservative Councillor | 1:24:03 | 1:24:05 | |
for Telford and Wrekin,
who along with four other | 1:24:05 | 1:24:08 | |
councillors has requested
an Extraordinary General Meeting | 1:24:08 | 1:24:09 | |
calling on the Labour-run council
to commission an independent | 1:24:09 | 1:24:11 | |
inquiry into child sexual
exploitation in Telford. | 1:24:11 | 1:24:13 | |
And Siobhan Crawford,
Associate Solicitor at | 1:24:13 | 1:24:15 | |
Bolt Burdon Kemp, which specialises
in child sexual exploitation claims | 1:24:15 | 1:24:17 | |
and who has been speaking to some
of the Telford victims. | 1:24:17 | 1:24:20 | |
You would expect more victims to
come forward customer that has been | 1:24:20 | 1:24:25 | |
happening, many survivors have been
contacting their MP and I hope many | 1:24:25 | 1:24:28 | |
contact the police. So that they
think about the fact that they do | 1:24:28 | 1:24:31 | |
not think this is any different from
any other town in the country for | 1:24:31 | 1:24:35 | |
top as simply because of the media
coverage and then the Conservative | 1:24:35 | 1:24:39 | |
MP speaking in parliament? I think
that is a big reason why people are | 1:24:39 | 1:24:42 | |
coming forward now. I think what has
come out from the Expose in the | 1:24:42 | 1:24:46 | |
media is that is it's clear they
were trying to disclose to people. | 1:24:46 | 1:24:51 | |
Holly last week going to get the
morning after pill twice a week. Now | 1:24:51 | 1:24:56 | |
one believe them but now they feel
the strength to speak out because | 1:24:56 | 1:25:00 | |
they will be believed and not
thought of as liars. The | 1:25:00 | 1:25:04 | |
Conservative councillor for Telford
is here. And you have requested an | 1:25:04 | 1:25:11 | |
extraordinary general meeting
calling on the Labour run council to | 1:25:11 | 1:25:14 | |
commission an independent enquiry
into child sexual exploitation in | 1:25:14 | 1:25:17 | |
Telford. I do think it has not
happened so far. Thus far we have | 1:25:17 | 1:25:22 | |
proposed and we would like the
council to commission an independent | 1:25:22 | 1:25:26 | |
enquiry to be led and commissioned
by the council. But the council has | 1:25:26 | 1:25:31 | |
set at the moment, they're called
for a statutory enquiry for the | 1:25:31 | 1:25:34 | |
government has made it clear if the
council feels an enquiry is | 1:25:34 | 1:25:37 | |
necessary that they commission and
proceed and commit to that | 1:25:37 | 1:25:40 | |
themselves. What is the difference
if it is commissioned by the local | 1:25:40 | 1:25:46 | |
council or a statutory enquiry? Main
difference would be that the council | 1:25:46 | 1:25:50 | |
would not have the statutory powers
to compel witnesses to come forward | 1:25:50 | 1:25:55 | |
to give evidence but we feel from
all the agencies that have come | 1:25:55 | 1:25:59 | |
forward they are willing to
cooperate certainly as part of a | 1:25:59 | 1:26:02 | |
wider enquiry. So we feel it is
necessary at the moment that the | 1:26:02 | 1:26:05 | |
council commit to the enquiry. We've
been calling for this since 2016. So | 1:26:05 | 1:26:13 | |
we just feel it is necessary that we
get that commitment from the council | 1:26:13 | 1:26:17 | |
and I think all councils are united
helpfully on making sure this public | 1:26:17 | 1:26:21 | |
enquiry can proceed at the earliest
opportunity. And which would better | 1:26:21 | 1:26:26 | |
serve the survivors? We just feel
and certainly I feel the council | 1:26:26 | 1:26:33 | |
commissioned enquiry will enable the
council to set the terms of | 1:26:33 | 1:26:36 | |
reference and then they would
independently appoint a chair or | 1:26:36 | 1:26:40 | |
judge and lead the enquiry further
the government has been clear from | 1:26:40 | 1:26:44 | |
the beginning that is council feel
there still suspicion of abuse | 1:26:44 | 1:26:53 | |
taking place that they should lead
on this and make sure that victims | 1:26:53 | 1:26:55 | |
have their voices heard at this
meeting. And as we've heard from the | 1:26:55 | 1:27:00 | |
sports coming through from national
media, we do not feel at this moment | 1:27:00 | 1:27:04 | |
that we fully understand the extent
of sexual abuse in Telford. And that | 1:27:04 | 1:27:09 | |
is why we have called for this. It
has been now over a week since this | 1:27:09 | 1:27:12 | |
recent information has come forward
on the reporting and we would like | 1:27:12 | 1:27:17 | |
to think that all councillors now
would agree to proceed with this at | 1:27:17 | 1:27:21 | |
the earliest opportunity. You think
it is still going on in Telford? We | 1:27:21 | 1:27:24 | |
do. Based on what? Mainly from
victims that we have heard coming | 1:27:24 | 1:27:30 | |
forward in recent weeks. We have
heard as well whilst there was | 1:27:30 | 1:27:35 | |
recognition from the police that it
is still going on in Telford and | 1:27:35 | 1:27:39 | |
from the council, we just feel those
uncovered evidence till coming | 1:27:39 | 1:27:42 | |
forward and we would like to make
sure as part of a wider havoc and | 1:27:42 | 1:27:46 | |
worried that some of the evidence
initially presented for scrutiny | 1:27:46 | 1:27:50 | |
right at the start but potentially
it was not given that scrutiny if | 1:27:50 | 1:27:53 | |
needed. That it comes forward as
part of a much wider public enquiry | 1:27:53 | 1:27:58 | |
to make sure those victims are heard
as part of this wider enquiry. What | 1:27:58 | 1:28:02 | |
did you think of the response of
your police force last week when it | 1:28:02 | 1:28:06 | |
was initially suggested that figure
is up to 1000 big where | 1:28:06 | 1:28:10 | |
sensationalised? I think it is
bringing about a wider discussion | 1:28:10 | 1:28:15 | |
and also I think the daily Mirror
have investigated this quite | 1:28:15 | 1:28:19 | |
thoroughly and they certainly feel
there is a validity behind some of | 1:28:19 | 1:28:23 | |
the reporting they have produced. In
Telford I believe in 2015 there was | 1:28:23 | 1:28:30 | |
250 incidents of sexual offences.
And in the recent information they | 1:28:30 | 1:28:34 | |
uncovered, over 700 contacts. Do you
think that the Shropshire force are | 1:28:34 | 1:28:39 | |
in denial about the scale? I would
not say denial but certainly what we | 1:28:39 | 1:28:44 | |
found as part of the rostrum
enquiry, police did not understand | 1:28:44 | 1:28:47 | |
the scale of what was taking place.
And we have felt it was necessary to | 1:28:47 | 1:28:56 | |
make sure this enquiry proceeds of
the earliest possible opportunity to | 1:28:56 | 1:28:59 | |
make sure that those victims are
heard. The voices of these victims, | 1:28:59 | 1:29:06 | |
must be heard. They still feel
vulnerable locally in Telford and it | 1:29:06 | 1:29:11 | |
is that essential that they are
given a voice as part of this | 1:29:11 | 1:29:14 | |
enquiry. As a solicitor specialising
in this area, what needs to happen | 1:29:14 | 1:29:22 | |
customer they're absolutely needs to
be an enquiry but not to piggyback | 1:29:22 | 1:29:24 | |
on the National enquiry because I
think that will mean survivors will | 1:29:24 | 1:29:30 | |
be waiting years for answers as to
why they have been down. I think the | 1:29:30 | 1:29:33 | |
enquiry needs to be put in place
quickly but with proper terms of | 1:29:33 | 1:29:37 | |
reference to make sure that they do
obtain the answers they need as | 1:29:37 | 1:29:40 | |
survivors. Thank you both. | 1:29:40 | 1:29:45 | |
Still to come: | 1:29:45 | 1:29:49 | |
We will be looking at how asylum
seekers are housed to the country | 1:29:49 | 1:29:55 | |
back private companies on government
contracts. In 72 English football | 1:29:55 | 1:29:59 | |
clubs are getting together to show
you some of the work they do in the | 1:29:59 | 1:30:02 | |
community. We hear from some of
those who have benefited. | 1:30:02 | 1:30:09 | |
Time for the latest
news - here's Joanna. | 1:30:09 | 1:30:15 | |
The Gambling Commission has
recommended that the maximum stake | 1:30:15 | 1:30:17 | |
for fixed-odds betting terminals
should be reduced from £100 to £30, | 1:30:17 | 1:30:20 | |
or £2 in the case of slot machines. | 1:30:20 | 1:30:22 | |
The gambling industry had feared
a blanket reduction to £2 and warned | 1:30:22 | 1:30:25 | |
such a move would cost
thousands of jobs. | 1:30:25 | 1:30:27 | |
The Gambling Commission has also
recommended what it calls | 1:30:27 | 1:30:29 | |
a "comprehensive package of other
measures to protect consumers". | 1:30:29 | 1:30:37 | |
Official results from Russia show
President Putin has been re-elected | 1:30:37 | 1:30:40 | |
with more than 76% of the vote. He
told a victory rally that Russia | 1:30:40 | 1:30:44 | |
must maintain unity following his
landslide win, but CCTV footage from | 1:30:44 | 1:30:49 | |
a number of polling stations appears
to show election officials stuffing | 1:30:49 | 1:30:52 | |
boxes with ballot papers.
International chemical weapons | 1:30:52 | 1:30:58 | |
experts have arrived in the UK to
test the nerve agent used to poison | 1:30:58 | 1:31:01 | |
the former spy Sergei Skripal and
his daughter. President Putin says | 1:31:01 | 1:31:07 | |
claims that Russia was behind the
attacks are nonsense, but Boris | 1:31:07 | 1:31:13 | |
Johnson says Russia has been
stockpiling Novichok for years. | 1:31:13 | 1:31:16 | |
The television presenter
Ant McPartlin has been arrested | 1:31:16 | 1:31:18 | |
on suspicion of drink driving. | 1:31:18 | 1:31:19 | |
Police say they were called
to reports of a collision involving | 1:31:19 | 1:31:22 | |
three cars in south-west
London yesterday afternoon. | 1:31:22 | 1:31:24 | |
A child passenger in one of them was
taken to hospital as a precaution. | 1:31:24 | 1:31:27 | |
In a statement, Scotland Yard said
a 42 year-old man was arrested | 1:31:27 | 1:31:31 | |
at the scene after failing
a breathalyser test. | 1:31:31 | 1:31:32 | |
A British woman has been
killed in northern Syria, | 1:31:32 | 1:31:34 | |
fighting alongside Kurdish forces. | 1:31:34 | 1:31:38 | |
It's understood that Anna Campbell -
who was 26 and from | 1:31:38 | 1:31:41 | |
Lewes in East Sussex -
died in the town of Afrin , | 1:31:41 | 1:31:44 | |
which has been the target
of a Turkish offensive. | 1:31:44 | 1:31:46 | |
Her father has told the BBC
she was idealistic, and knew | 1:31:46 | 1:31:48 | |
she was putting her life at risk. | 1:31:48 | 1:31:50 | |
That's a summary of
the latest BBC News. | 1:31:50 | 1:31:55 | |
Here's some sport now. | 1:31:55 | 1:31:58 | |
Rory is back. | 1:31:58 | 1:32:01 | |
McIlroy wins his first
tournament for 18 months | 1:32:01 | 1:32:03 | |
at the Arnold Palmer Invitational. | 1:32:03 | 1:32:09 | |
The Northern Irishman sunk five
birdies in the final six holes | 1:32:09 | 1:32:12 | |
to finish on 18 under par,
three shots ahead of the field. | 1:32:12 | 1:32:20 | |
World number one Roger Federer's
winning run has come to an end, | 1:32:21 | 1:32:24 | |
after losing the final
of Indian Wells to | 1:32:24 | 1:32:26 | |
Juan Martin del Potro. | 1:32:26 | 1:32:31 | |
The Argentine is the first player
to beat Federer in 18 matches. | 1:32:31 | 1:32:34 | |
Former England winger Josh Charnley
is returning to Rugby League | 1:32:34 | 1:32:36 | |
with immediate effect. | 1:32:36 | 1:32:37 | |
He spent less than two
years with Sale Sharks | 1:32:37 | 1:32:40 | |
in Union and has signed
for Warrington Wolves. | 1:32:40 | 1:32:42 | |
And England
bowler Stuart Broad tells the BBC | 1:32:42 | 1:32:44 | |
that he has no plans to retire | 1:32:44 | 1:32:46 | |
from international
cricket any time soon. | 1:32:46 | 1:32:47 | |
England get their Test match
against New Zealand under | 1:32:47 | 1:32:49 | |
way in the early hours
of Thursday morning. | 1:32:49 | 1:32:52 | |
On this programme last year,
21-year-old James Casling | 1:32:52 | 1:32:56 | |
shared his story with you of how
playing football had given him | 1:32:56 | 1:32:59 | |
a reason to live after attempting
to take his own life several times. | 1:32:59 | 1:33:06 | |
My story started three weeks
after my 18th birthday, | 1:33:06 | 1:33:08 | |
when I was admitted
to the Park Royal Centre | 1:33:08 | 1:33:10 | |
for mental health. | 1:33:10 | 1:33:18 | |
I had become so ill that for me,
life wasn't worth living. | 1:33:20 | 1:33:23 | |
At 18, I was ready to die and had
made many attempts on my own life. | 1:33:23 | 1:33:27 | |
If I had carried on that path,
I would not be here today. | 1:33:27 | 1:33:30 | |
Something had to change. | 1:33:30 | 1:33:31 | |
I had to stop destroying myself
and actually build myself up again. | 1:33:31 | 1:33:36 | |
And that's when football and QPR
and the Community Trust | 1:33:36 | 1:33:38 | |
came and saved my life. | 1:33:38 | 1:33:39 | |
One morning on the ward, Tom,
the occupational therapist, | 1:33:39 | 1:33:41 | |
woke me up and asked if I wanted
to play football. | 1:33:41 | 1:33:44 | |
And of course, I said yes. | 1:33:44 | 1:33:46 | |
I did not really expect
much at first, but I | 1:33:46 | 1:33:48 | |
realised I had no boots. | 1:33:48 | 1:33:49 | |
So I rang my mum and asked
if she could get me some. | 1:33:49 | 1:33:52 | |
Within hours, she had gone out
and bought me a pair. | 1:33:52 | 1:33:56 | |
At the time, I did not realise
that if my mum did not | 1:33:56 | 1:33:59 | |
buy me those boots, things
might never have changed | 1:33:59 | 1:34:01 | |
and I might have lost my life
to my mental illness. | 1:34:01 | 1:34:09 | |
All right, take your time. | 1:34:09 | 1:34:17 | |
You've got all the time
in the world. | 1:34:18 | 1:34:22 | |
So every week I attended training
and it gave me hope for the future, | 1:34:22 | 1:34:25 | |
so I could be someone my family
and friends could be proud of. | 1:34:25 | 1:34:28 | |
To me it was not just
football, it was my life. | 1:34:28 | 1:34:32 | |
It had given me stuff to build
on instead of destroying. | 1:34:32 | 1:34:40 | |
I have become stronger and have
been beating my demons. | 1:34:42 | 1:34:46 | |
Every week I put in so much effort
that I could not walk | 1:34:46 | 1:34:49 | |
for a few days afterwards. | 1:34:49 | 1:34:50 | |
It changed me into a better man
and it made me want to stay alive | 1:34:50 | 1:34:54 | |
so my mum and brothers
would not have to bury me. | 1:34:54 | 1:34:57 | |
Instead, they could say to everyone
my son and brother plays for QPR. | 1:34:57 | 1:35:02 | |
I have done some amazing
things with QPR. | 1:35:02 | 1:35:10 | |
My biggest achievement would be that
in my first three seasons | 1:35:10 | 1:35:15 | |
at the club, I was top goal-scorer. | 1:35:15 | 1:35:20 | |
Every time I put a kit on,
I was not this little boy any more, | 1:35:20 | 1:35:24 | |
I was James, I was
free from my demons. | 1:35:24 | 1:35:26 | |
Unfortunately, others
are not so lucky. | 1:35:26 | 1:35:31 | |
On May 20th 2010, I lost
my father to suicide | 1:35:31 | 1:35:33 | |
on my 15th birthday. | 1:35:33 | 1:35:34 | |
But I have taken the good
from the bad and met amazing people, | 1:35:34 | 1:35:40 | |
travelled to places
to play football. | 1:35:40 | 1:35:43 | |
I get to meet people
from other places. | 1:35:43 | 1:35:45 | |
For a young boy like me,
losing my dad left me | 1:35:45 | 1:35:47 | |
confused in this big world. | 1:35:47 | 1:35:48 | |
I did not have any
sense of direction. | 1:35:48 | 1:35:50 | |
My coaches helped me find my way. | 1:35:50 | 1:35:53 | |
They stood in my corner. | 1:35:53 | 1:35:56 | |
The support I had
from them was amazing. | 1:35:56 | 1:36:02 | |
I'm just so thankful
they became my role models. | 1:36:02 | 1:36:04 | |
They showed me I'm worth something. | 1:36:04 | 1:36:05 | |
I'm lucky enough to know them. | 1:36:05 | 1:36:07 | |
We can never stop people
getting mentally unwell, | 1:36:07 | 1:36:10 | |
but we can help them
recover with the use of football. | 1:36:10 | 1:36:12 | |
It worked for me and many
others that I have played | 1:36:12 | 1:36:17 | |
for and against and play with. | 1:36:17 | 1:36:19 | |
Football saved my life. | 1:36:19 | 1:36:25 | |
Well done. That was James Kaz Ling
last year. He played for QPR's | 1:36:25 | 1:36:35 | |
community mental health team. He is
doing well. | 1:36:35 | 1:36:39 | |
72 English Football League clubs
will come together tomorrow | 1:36:39 | 1:36:42 | |
for a day of action to highlight
the work they do to help | 1:36:42 | 1:36:45 | |
change the lives of young
people for the better. | 1:36:45 | 1:36:47 | |
Clubs across the country are holding
special events to showcase the work | 1:36:47 | 1:36:50 | |
they do to tackle mental health,
disabilities and obesity | 1:36:50 | 1:36:52 | |
among the young people
in their communities | 1:36:52 | 1:36:54 | |
through education,
health and participation. | 1:36:54 | 1:36:56 | |
Let's speak now to some of them now:
Mike Evans who is the chief exec | 1:36:56 | 1:37:04 | |
Let's speak now to some of them now: | 1:37:09 | 1:37:12 | |
Paul Davies, who takes part
in the Blackburn Rovers social | 1:37:12 | 1:37:15 | |
inclusion football programme. | 1:37:15 | 1:37:16 | |
He suffered a serious electric shock
in his teens which led to him trying | 1:37:16 | 1:37:19 | |
to take his own life. | 1:37:19 | 1:37:24 | |
Marek Hyde is part of Derby County's
Active Choices programme. | 1:37:24 | 1:37:26 | |
He has in the past had
substance addiction, | 1:37:26 | 1:37:29 | |
been homeless and served
time in prison. | 1:37:29 | 1:37:32 | |
Mike Evans is the chief exec | 1:37:32 | 1:37:35 | |
of the EFL Trust, and Mel Wilkinson
from Bristol City's Youth Council, | 1:37:35 | 1:37:43 | |
Paul, what impact did your accident
have on you? Did change my life. I | 1:37:44 | 1:37:52 | |
really struggled. It changed your
life to your detriment. Yeah, I | 1:37:52 | 1:37:56 | |
tried to take my own life. And then
getting in with the football has | 1:37:56 | 1:38:02 | |
helped me. In what way? It has given
me structure. It has helped me | 1:38:02 | 1:38:09 | |
socialise. I was socially isolated,
so it has helped me meet people. The | 1:38:09 | 1:38:13 | |
seven years, I didn't play football.
I had a void in my life and getting | 1:38:13 | 1:38:19 | |
back into football has really
helped. What would you say to | 1:38:19 | 1:38:24 | |
Blackburn Rovers for what they
provide? They are fantastic. Anyone | 1:38:24 | 1:38:29 | |
that wants to play, I recommend it.
We have around 20 teams now in the | 1:38:29 | 1:38:37 | |
league with people from Derby County
that come down each month. | 1:38:37 | 1:38:46 | |
that come down each month. Marek,
addiction to heroin at one point, | 1:38:46 | 1:38:50 | |
time in prison. You went to rehab
and then got involved in Derby | 1:38:50 | 1:38:57 | |
County's active choices programme.
What is that about? It is basically | 1:38:57 | 1:39:02 | |
an opportunity to play sports, meet
other people, often who have had | 1:39:02 | 1:39:09 | |
similar issues to myself, and it has
given me loads of opportunities to | 1:39:09 | 1:39:14 | |
practise my sports, meet new people.
They even put me forward to do the | 1:39:14 | 1:39:20 | |
homeless World Cup, which is a
street football tournament. I went | 1:39:20 | 1:39:22 | |
all the way to Oslo. So these are
amazing opportunities I had never | 1:39:22 | 1:39:26 | |
dreams of. And what is the link
between playing football, or any | 1:39:26 | 1:39:31 | |
sport, but it happens to be
football, and you staying away from | 1:39:31 | 1:39:35 | |
being attracted to class A drugs or
whatever? For me, when I was | 1:39:35 | 1:39:43 | |
involved in drugs, I became immersed
in a lifestyle. I was stuck in a | 1:39:43 | 1:39:50 | |
certain group of people and when I
came out of that, I felt quite | 1:39:50 | 1:39:53 | |
isolated. Football has given me the
chance to meet other people and | 1:39:53 | 1:39:57 | |
build new bridges in the community.
And it is good for the soul. That is | 1:39:57 | 1:40:04 | |
what we are saying. Mel, tell us
about the Bristol youth Council. So | 1:40:04 | 1:40:10 | |
in Bristol, we have a youth Council
which was formed two years ago. | 1:40:10 | 1:40:13 | |
There are eight members and we have
worked on four elements: women and | 1:40:13 | 1:40:19 | |
girls, disability... I have got to
think now! Social inclusion and | 1:40:19 | 1:40:26 | |
holiday camps. And what does that
mean for women and girls in the | 1:40:26 | 1:40:33 | |
area? It gives women and girls the
opportunity to play football. We | 1:40:33 | 1:40:36 | |
have a girls' session. We also have
a mums group CAP mumble. It gives | 1:40:36 | 1:40:45 | |
mums the opportunity to play
football. I have never heard about | 1:40:45 | 1:40:48 | |
that! Mumble is a session for
Munster, London play football. | 1:40:48 | 1:40:56 | |
Badly? No, we have some brilliant
mums playing football. And all of | 1:40:56 | 1:41:02 | |
that is about welcoming people in
and saying, whoever you are, | 1:41:02 | 1:41:06 | |
whatever your background, join us.
Exactly. Mumble! I love hearing | 1:41:06 | 1:41:15 | |
about something new. Probably
everybody has heard of it except me, | 1:41:15 | 1:41:19 | |
so apologies. Mike, there is a lot
of good stuff going on and it is | 1:41:19 | 1:41:23 | |
stuff that you would not necessarily
associate with football, because | 1:41:23 | 1:41:26 | |
everybody has a preconceived idea,
although not necessarily the | 1:41:26 | 1:41:32 | |
divisions below the Premier League,
of money, people who don't care, | 1:41:32 | 1:41:36 | |
prima donnas etc. Football is a real
engagement tool. That is the key to | 1:41:36 | 1:41:41 | |
all the projects these guys have
talked about. Football get people | 1:41:41 | 1:41:44 | |
through the door. Sometimes people
may have been turned down by more | 1:41:44 | 1:41:50 | |
traditional services, but football
is a more welcoming environment. And | 1:41:50 | 1:41:53 | |
once we have got young people
engaged, we can do all kinds of | 1:41:53 | 1:41:56 | |
different things with them. We work
around obesity, health and fitness. | 1:41:56 | 1:42:03 | |
We do a lot of education programmes.
And this is each of the 72 clubs? | 1:42:03 | 1:42:09 | |
Pretty much. There is variety, so
mumble is not happening in 72 | 1:42:09 | 1:42:15 | |
places, that is particular to
Bristol City. But things like the | 1:42:15 | 1:42:18 | |
women's and girls football and
education programmes are pretty | 1:42:18 | 1:42:23 | |
standard among the 72 clubs. These
are things that are happening 360 | 1:42:23 | 1:42:27 | |
Round days a year. And why do you do
it? I think football is something | 1:42:27 | 1:42:35 | |
back to the communities in which it
is based, and they are interested in | 1:42:35 | 1:42:39 | |
making them better economically and
socially and putting something back. | 1:42:39 | 1:42:43 | |
For two hours a week, the football
club is perhaps a distraction for | 1:42:43 | 1:42:47 | |
local people who are not engaged --
people who are not into football | 1:42:47 | 1:42:55 | |
might be annoyed with the trouble on
the dust, but for the week, there is | 1:42:55 | 1:43:02 | |
amazing work going on in the
community. So tomorrow's day of | 1:43:02 | 1:43:06 | |
action is about shining a light on
that work. It is going on all the | 1:43:06 | 1:43:10 | |
time, but for one day, we want each
club to focus on a project that they | 1:43:10 | 1:43:13 | |
deliver and bring some media
attention to it. I have a lot of | 1:43:13 | 1:43:19 | |
messages here. Mostly about James,
the clip we played. Lizzie says, | 1:43:19 | 1:43:26 | |
wishing this young man love and
strength to keep going. I found his | 1:43:26 | 1:43:31 | |
speech moving. Donna says, I am in
bits and my heart breaks for these | 1:43:31 | 1:43:35 | |
young people. I am so grateful for
the work people like you are doing | 1:43:35 | 1:43:40 | |
to help. Stewart says, heartbreaking
to watch this young man's talk about | 1:43:40 | 1:43:43 | |
saving his life. If you want to
watch the full interview with James, | 1:43:43 | 1:43:48 | |
it is on Twitter and Facebook. So if
it wasn't for the programmes you are | 1:43:48 | 1:43:54 | |
involved in, what do you think you
would be doing, Marek? I could be in | 1:43:54 | 1:43:59 | |
a totally different situation. I
have made a lot of friends through | 1:43:59 | 1:44:01 | |
football. I have found myself in a
community that cares, and I can give | 1:44:01 | 1:44:08 | |
back now that I have the
opportunity. I have learned from | 1:44:08 | 1:44:12 | |
others. It could be a lot worse.
Without things to fill my time, I | 1:44:12 | 1:44:18 | |
could slip back into addiction. If
you feel alone, that is something | 1:44:18 | 1:44:26 | |
that can impact on you. And what
about you, Paul? I don't think I | 1:44:26 | 1:44:33 | |
would be here. I have two young boys
as well, but I was that bad last | 1:44:33 | 1:44:37 | |
year, or housebound. At least now I
have a bit of structure. Thank you | 1:44:37 | 1:44:44 | |
all. Thank you for introducing me to
Mumble! I will investigate further. | 1:44:44 | 1:44:51 | |
I recommend it! | 1:44:51 | 1:44:59 | |
I recommend it! Thank you for your
comments about fixed odds betting | 1:45:00 | 1:45:03 | |
terminals. David says I have worked
in the betting industry is shop | 1:45:03 | 1:45:08 | |
manager and I have had gambling
problems myself. I had to leave the | 1:45:08 | 1:45:13 | |
job after losing my family because
of gambling problems. Staff in | 1:45:13 | 1:45:18 | |
bookmakers have no interest if
customers lose on the FOBTs, no | 1:45:18 | 1:45:23 | |
interest in helping and do what they
need to do. They think that the | 1:45:23 | 1:45:29 | |
employer thinks they should be
doing. I've also seen people making | 1:45:29 | 1:45:33 | |
false logs to say they've spoken to
people so it appears they are doing | 1:45:33 | 1:45:38 | |
what they meant to do. Some staff
encourage people to play happy to | 1:45:38 | 1:45:42 | |
get tips when they swim. Personally
I hate machines and think they are | 1:45:42 | 1:45:47 | |
fixed to make his profits. I think
there's no way that you can win on | 1:45:47 | 1:45:51 | |
them. I feel there should be banned
from Chris says my son has tried | 1:45:51 | 1:45:58 | |
self exclusion from betting shops
and it does not work. He has filled | 1:45:58 | 1:46:03 | |
in forms, provided his photo but not
one member of staff is ever | 1:46:03 | 1:46:07 | |
approached him. He wants to be
stopped, he says if someone just | 1:46:07 | 1:46:11 | |
came over to him he would come out
of what he calls his red fog. And | 1:46:11 | 1:46:15 | |
what about only being able to use
cash in the shops, so easy to people | 1:46:15 | 1:46:20 | |
using your card but cash could be a
visible deterrent. He is now | 1:46:20 | 1:46:24 | |
positive about the effect that
hypnotherapy has had on him. | 1:46:24 | 1:46:29 | |
Landlords are able to prevent people
drinking more and what is the | 1:46:29 | 1:46:33 | |
difference. Thank you for those
comments. | 1:46:33 | 1:46:39 | |
Every year, thousands of asylum
seekers enter the UK - | 1:46:39 | 1:46:42 | |
both legally and sometimes
illegally. | 1:46:42 | 1:46:43 | |
When they arrive, most are initially
housed in an asylum reception centre | 1:46:43 | 1:46:46 | |
while the Home Office decides
whether their case to stay | 1:46:46 | 1:46:49 | |
as a refugee in the UK is genuine. | 1:46:49 | 1:46:53 | |
One such Initial Accomodation Centre
which houses over 200 asylum seekers | 1:46:53 | 1:46:57 | |
has just opened in Derby -
despite opposition | 1:46:57 | 1:47:00 | |
from local residents. | 1:47:00 | 1:47:03 | |
Our reporter Sean Clare
bought you his full film | 1:47:03 | 1:47:07 | |
earlier in the programme -
here's a short extract: | 1:47:07 | 1:47:10 | |
Oh, by the way, you're
having 240 asylum seekers | 1:47:10 | 1:47:12 | |
on your doorstep and guess what,
you can't do anything about it. | 1:47:12 | 1:47:20 | |
They should have come out and spoken
to residents properly instead | 1:47:28 | 1:47:30 | |
of just inviting people to a council
meeting and saying this | 1:47:30 | 1:47:33 | |
is what we've put in place. | 1:47:33 | 1:47:34 | |
They could have sent out leaflets,
they could have knocked on doors. | 1:47:34 | 1:47:37 | |
They are a big organisation,
it is not that they are | 1:47:37 | 1:47:40 | |
short of a few quid. | 1:47:40 | 1:47:41 | |
They should have consulted people
and given that reassurance that, | 1:47:41 | 1:47:44 | |
you know what, we're
here to work with you. | 1:47:44 | 1:47:46 | |
And any concerns you've got,
come to us directly so we can answer | 1:47:46 | 1:47:49 | |
those concerns and you can get
on with life and the refugees | 1:47:49 | 1:47:52 | |
here can get on with life. | 1:47:52 | 1:48:00 | |
Because of the fear of this
place I wanted to get out | 1:48:08 | 1:48:11 | |
before it all started. | 1:48:11 | 1:48:12 | |
I wish I could turn the clock back. | 1:48:12 | 1:48:14 | |
I wish they'd given us
more information before | 1:48:14 | 1:48:16 | |
everyone panicked. | 1:48:16 | 1:48:17 | |
That is my main concern. | 1:48:17 | 1:48:20 | |
The information should have been put
out there so people like me, | 1:48:20 | 1:48:23 | |
people like myself, would have had
a better educated response. | 1:48:23 | 1:48:28 | |
I don't want this. | 1:48:28 | 1:48:29 | |
I haven't signed up for this. | 1:48:29 | 1:48:31 | |
I don't want this. | 1:48:31 | 1:48:32 | |
You were lucky, you moved. | 1:48:32 | 1:48:33 | |
If I could have moved I would have
been out of here straightaway. | 1:48:33 | 1:48:36 | |
I would not have batted
an eyelid about it. | 1:48:36 | 1:48:39 | |
I would have been gone. | 1:48:39 | 1:48:40 | |
Because it's not my cup of tea. | 1:48:40 | 1:48:42 | |
At the moment it's all nice,
it's all clouds with silver linings. | 1:48:42 | 1:48:45 | |
Until something drastic happens. | 1:48:45 | 1:48:46 | |
If your shop gets broken into,
and I came and talked | 1:48:46 | 1:48:49 | |
to you tomorrow, what do you think
of down here? | 1:48:49 | 1:48:51 | |
You'd be like, you know,
I don't want to talk about it. | 1:48:51 | 1:48:58 | |
We were told this was the building
they would be housed in. It only has | 1:49:04 | 1:49:08 | |
one entrance, it is above a pizza
shop. We have a lot of children that | 1:49:08 | 1:49:12 | |
hang around this area. I think the
children would have just handed | 1:49:12 | 1:49:16 | |
them. Not just the general public,
just the children. At this time of | 1:49:16 | 1:49:23 | |
night, now, they would have been
gathering outside the pizza shop and | 1:49:23 | 1:49:26 | |
it just would have escalated. It was
not fair, it would not have been | 1:49:26 | 1:49:31 | |
there for them let alone the general
public here to make us look as | 1:49:31 | 1:49:36 | |
though we're horrible and were not. | 1:49:36 | 1:49:39 | |
We can speak now to Ajit Atwal,
a local businessman who you saw | 1:49:39 | 1:49:42 | |
in that film, the Labour MP
for the area, Chris Williamson, | 1:49:42 | 1:49:45 | |
and Jalloh Ibrahima,
who has been an asylum seeker - | 1:49:45 | 1:49:53 | |
originally from west Africa. | 1:49:59 | 1:50:00 | |
We invited G4S and the Home Office,
but both declined to take part. | 1:50:00 | 1:50:07 | |
Before being housed asylum seekers,
the place of their Houston should be | 1:50:07 | 1:50:16 | |
fit for purpose. What you say that.
I appreciate concerns but it is the | 1:50:16 | 1:50:20 | |
right idea and just in the wrong
area. You need to take on board the | 1:50:20 | 1:50:25 | |
concerns of the residence and they
have been there and they're not | 1:50:25 | 1:50:30 | |
happy. Nothing wrong with asylum
seekers but just in the wrong area. | 1:50:30 | 1:50:37 | |
Chris Williamson, what do you say to
that? I think we need to remember | 1:50:37 | 1:50:44 | |
that asylum seekers are often
fleeing horrendous circumstances, | 1:50:44 | 1:50:48 | |
war-torn countries, incredible abuse
and fear for their lives. So we're | 1:50:48 | 1:50:54 | |
talking about human beings. I think
my concern is the lack of | 1:50:54 | 1:51:01 | |
consultation of G4S with the local
community. But just to address the | 1:51:01 | 1:51:05 | |
point of it being the wrong area? He
is one of the residents. Well I have | 1:51:05 | 1:51:12 | |
spoken to residents and there was
some anxiety but -- beforehand | 1:51:12 | 1:51:17 | |
partly because of lack of
information. But now they are saying | 1:51:17 | 1:51:21 | |
they do not quite know what the fuss
has all been about. I think there is | 1:51:21 | 1:51:27 | |
an issue about the asylum system in
this country, that it is not fit for | 1:51:27 | 1:51:33 | |
purpose and is being used as a cash
cow for private sector organisations | 1:51:33 | 1:51:38 | |
like G4S. That is part of the
problem, these initial accommodation | 1:51:38 | 1:51:43 | |
centres are only meant to
accommodate people for up to 19 days | 1:51:43 | 1:51:47 | |
but often people get stuck in these
inadequate centres for far longer. | 1:51:47 | 1:51:52 | |
In this case, normally they are
meant to be provided with three | 1:51:52 | 1:51:57 | |
meals a day. Because this centre
does not lend itself to that, people | 1:51:57 | 1:52:06 | |
are just given £35 to pay for all of
their needs and then have to rely on | 1:52:06 | 1:52:11 | |
the third sector or other support
that people need. What would you say | 1:52:11 | 1:52:17 | |
to that? I would say through
experience, I would say the problem | 1:52:17 | 1:52:27 | |
with asylum | 1:52:27 | 1:52:33 | |
with asylum housing is the private
companies, I do not think the issue | 1:52:33 | 1:52:36 | |
is with the Home Office because I
believe the Home Office do pay big | 1:52:36 | 1:52:46 | |
money for asylum seekers to be
housed. Part of the issue is in | 1:52:46 | 1:52:50 | |
this, in some parts of the country
asylum seekers are not welcome. How | 1:52:50 | 1:52:54 | |
do you feel about that? I think
people should start to think about | 1:52:54 | 1:53:02 | |
asylum seekers as human beings as
well. We are human beings as well. | 1:53:02 | 1:53:06 | |
The people should not CS as just
asylum seekers but as human beings. | 1:53:06 | 1:53:14 | |
That is what I would say. Going back
to the point, it is not the issue | 1:53:14 | 1:53:22 | |
with the asylum seekers but it is
G4S, they are the biggest concern in | 1:53:22 | 1:53:28 | |
our area, lack of consultation. And
we have seen their track record down | 1:53:28 | 1:53:33 | |
the country for that everything they
put their hands on they've messed up | 1:53:33 | 1:53:36 | |
so can residents in the area have
any faith in G4S running the | 1:53:36 | 1:53:40 | |
operation. We have just two security
guards but you have more than that | 1:53:40 | 1:53:47 | |
of a nightclub. But there have been
no reported problems with the | 1:53:47 | 1:53:51 | |
centre. But it is early days and if
there is the situation, will G4S | 1:53:51 | 1:53:57 | |
take responsibility because at the
moment they do not seem to be | 1:53:57 | 1:54:00 | |
consulting with anyone. They say
they held up public consultation | 1:54:00 | 1:54:04 | |
event and they give regular
statements to local newspapers, yet | 1:54:04 | 1:54:08 | |
held a public meeting to update
local residents on the progress of | 1:54:08 | 1:54:12 | |
the centre. What else should they
have done? They should have come on | 1:54:12 | 1:54:15 | |
this programme. They said they have
done all the things that you | 1:54:15 | 1:54:20 | |
require. Let's get back to their
track record up and down the | 1:54:20 | 1:54:25 | |
country. Are you satisfied with the
way they operate. We're just talking | 1:54:25 | 1:54:29 | |
about the centre in your area. And
you're saying there could be | 1:54:29 | 1:54:34 | |
problems in the future. So far all
has gone well. I hope it stays that | 1:54:34 | 1:54:39 | |
way. And there are no problems. But
I'm just brilliant the concerns | 1:54:39 | 1:54:46 | |
raised by the resident and they are
scared of the page are not want to | 1:54:46 | 1:54:51 | |
be in this situation. We do know who
has come from where, that is cause | 1:54:51 | 1:54:55 | |
for concern. I think G4S could be
more proactive in their | 1:54:55 | 1:55:01 | |
consultation, I think that they were
pushed into it. They had an event, | 1:55:01 | 1:55:05 | |
public meetings. I think they do
more -- they need to do more to | 1:55:05 | 1:55:11 | |
reassure people not just have one
event. They say they consulted but | 1:55:11 | 1:55:15 | |
residents but it was discovered they
had not. It was only when the local | 1:55:15 | 1:55:20 | |
council and community made
representations that they accepted | 1:55:20 | 1:55:21 | |
they had not done what they claim to
have done. I think we have one | 1:55:21 | 1:55:27 | |
consultation but they need to do far
more to reassure people. We have | 1:55:27 | 1:55:32 | |
breaking news, I'm sorry. Thank you
everyone. | 1:55:32 | 1:55:41 | |
everyone. The Gambling Commission
this morning published its proposal | 1:55:42 | 1:55:45 | |
for reform of the rules for what
critics say are highly addictive and | 1:55:45 | 1:55:48 | |
machine. The watchdog is calling on
government to reduce the maximum | 1:55:48 | 1:55:52 | |
stake on fixed odds betting
terminals from £100 to £30 less. | 1:55:52 | 1:55:55 | |
Gary got in touch this morning and
he lost £1500 on these terminals in | 1:55:55 | 1:56:01 | |
one hour on Saturday. In total he
says he spent around £70,000 on | 1:56:01 | 1:56:06 | |
them. Good morning. Do you think
that reducing the maximum stake from | 1:56:06 | 1:56:15 | |
£100 to £30 or less would make a
difference to someone like you? It | 1:56:15 | 1:56:20 | |
would and it has to be a lot less
than £30, it has to be £2. The | 1:56:20 | 1:56:25 | |
government have it in their power to
reduce it to £2. The £30 or less is | 1:56:25 | 1:56:30 | |
just the recommendation from the
Gambling Commission. Why would you | 1:56:30 | 1:56:33 | |
say to government a need to bring it
down to £2? Because many people who | 1:56:33 | 1:56:40 | |
spend £30 will still get a buzz on
one spin put up whether it is a win | 1:56:40 | 1:56:46 | |
or a loss. On £2 you would not get
out, you just lose interest. It is | 1:56:46 | 1:56:52 | |
the only form of gambling that I
have been addicted to that I like. | 1:56:52 | 1:56:55 | |
If that was curbed I would be happy.
Just explain how it is possible to | 1:56:55 | 1:57:01 | |
lose £1500 in 60 minutes on one of
these things. How did you manage | 1:57:01 | 1:57:06 | |
that on Saturday? I was given £50
per spin which lasts about 20 | 1:57:06 | 1:57:11 | |
seconds. If you just go through a
series of not hitting your selected | 1:57:11 | 1:57:17 | |
numbers it is gone very quickly. And
you paid with cash or a card | 1:57:17 | 1:57:21 | |
question and withdrew £300 in cash,
I put the cash in the machine and | 1:57:21 | 1:57:24 | |
then loaded the betting terminal
with £200 a time on my bank card. | 1:57:24 | 1:57:36 | |
Well we will see what happens, thank
you very much. Just to mention one | 1:57:36 | 1:57:41 | |
more thing, a lot of the times I've
used my partner bank card to load | 1:57:41 | 1:57:47 | |
the machines as well, £200 a time
for that I have never been | 1:57:47 | 1:57:51 | |
challenged. My name is Gary, her
name is Helen, it is pretty obvious | 1:57:51 | 1:57:57 | |
but I was never challenged. And does
a member of staff actually look at | 1:57:57 | 1:58:03 | |
the card? They have looked at it but
never challenged it. That is just | 1:58:03 | 1:58:07 | |
bizarre. The regulations are just so
poor. Thank you very much. | 1:58:07 | 1:58:14 | |
Appreciate you coming on. On a
programme tomorrow, losing your hair | 1:58:14 | 1:58:20 | |
when you're young and the impact it
can Avenue. Thank you for watching | 1:58:20 | 1:58:23 | |
today. Back tomorrow at nine
o'clock. Have a good day. | 1:58:23 | 1:58:28 |