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19/03/2018

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Hello, it's Monday, it's 9 o'clock,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

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welcome to the programme.

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Our top story today -

highly addictive fixed odds betting

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terminals should have their maxium

stake reduced from £100

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to £30 or less -

that's the verdict of

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the Gambling Commission,

who're calling on the

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government to act now.

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And I just went to the counter and I

debt, 500. I lost that in the space

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of a few minutes. 1000, lost that.

1000, lost that, another thousand

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until I had no more money in my bank

account.

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We'll speak to one man who's lost

250 grand on fixed odds

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betting terminals.

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Also on the programme -

A British woman who went to Syria

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to fight against Islamic State has

been killed - Anna Campbell died

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in the town of Afrin,

which has been the target

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of a Turkish offensive.

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I said, you could be killed. And she

said, I know, dad. There's nothing I

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can do to reassure you about that,

but I've got to do this.

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We'll hear more from her dad

later in the programme.

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And Ant McPartlin has been arrested

on suspicion of drink driving

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after his car crashed

into two others yesterday.

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We'll bring you the story.

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Hello.

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Welcome to the programme,

we're live until 11.

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Throughout the programme

the latest breaking news,

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and developing stories -

a little later we'll speak

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to residents in Derby who've been

protesting against a new asylum

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seeker centre which opened

in the last month.

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There are several up

and down the country.

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If you live near one,

work in one or have stayed in one,

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do get in touch - use the hashtag

Victoria live and if you text,

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you will be charged

at the standard network rate.

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Our top story today...

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The Gambling Commission has

recommended that the maximum stake

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for fixed-odds betting terminals

should be reduced from £100

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to £30 pounds or less,

or £2 in the case

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of slot machines.

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It says cutting the stake alone

won't cure problem gambling and has

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recommended what it calls

a "comprehensive package of other

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measures to protect consumers".

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The industry had said

a blanket reduction to £2

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would cost thousands of jobs.

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Our correspondent

Sean Dilley is here.

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Tell us more about what the

commission have said.

They are

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concerned that the most vulnerable

in society are being taken for a

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ride, not necessarily deliberately,

but they are clear that the industry

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hasn't done enough. So whereas at

the moment, people can literally

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lose £100 in 20 seconds, again and

again, they are talking about a £30

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limit on most fixed odds betting

terminals. There are also saying it

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should be as low as £2 on the fruit

machines, the old pub style fruit

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machines. When I spoke to the

executive director Tim Miller, he

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said it's not just the £30 figure,

he was concerned that whichever

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figure you pick will be opposed. It

is about a wider Raft of measures

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such as education.

Because they say

even reducing steaks from £130 or

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less is not enough to help problem

gamblers?

They said the £30 figure,

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from their research, would make

people less disadvantaged. But their

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concern is that people working hard

on average wage can't afford to lose

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that.

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We are clear that a steak cut alone

would not go far enough. So in

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addition to recommending a cut to £2

on slots, we are suggesting that

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fall roulette-style games, the limit

should be reduced to £30 or less. If

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the government decide to go less

than that, that would be consistent

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with our advice. We are also

proposing that there should be a

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form of track to play so that

players themselves can have access

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to good quality data on their player

behaviour and how much they have

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lost. And importantly, the gambling

companies then have no excuse not to

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spot problem gambling and act on it.

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This has been highly anticipated by

the industry. The Association of

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British Insurers makers were arguing

that half of bookmaking shops could

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close completely, so they urge

caution. There is quite a bit of

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disagreement on figures, with the

suggestion that £1.5 billion is the

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true cost of gambling when you

consider economic and employment.

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But ultimately, the Gambling

Commission tell us that they are not

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even considering the impact on the

economy, it's about protecting

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vulnerable consumers.

Thank you.

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Joanna Gosling is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary

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of the rest of the day's news.

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Official results from Russia show

President Putin has been

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re-elected with more

than 76% of the vote.

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He told a victory rally that

Russia must maintain unity

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following his landslide win -

but CCTV footage from a number

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of polling stations appears to show

election officials stuffing boxes

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with ballot papers.

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International chemical weapons

experts are due to arrive in the UK

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later today to test the nerve agent

used to poison former

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Russian spy Sergei Skripal

and his daughter Yulia.

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President Putin says

claims his country was behind

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the attack are "nonsense"

but Boris Johnson claims Russia has

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been stockpiling Novichok for years.

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Tom Burridge reports.

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More than 80 drivers were stranded

overnight on a major road

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in south western England.

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The A30 has just re-opened

within the last hour.

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A 64-mile stretch had to be shut

for the night after heavy

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snow fell in the area,

making many roads impassable.

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Devon and Cornwall Police are urging

people not to travel

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until later on this morning.

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The television presenter

Ant McPartlin has been arrested

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on suspicion of drink driving.

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Police say they were called

to reports of a collision involving

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three cars in south-west

London yesterday afternoon.

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A child passenger in one of them was

taken to hospital as a precaution.

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In a statement, Scotland Yard said

a 42-year-old man was arrested

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at the scene after failing

a breathalyser test.

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Cardinal Keith O'Brien,

the former leader of

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Scotland's Roman Catholics,

has died at the age of 80.

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He was formerly the Catholic

Church's most senior cleric

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in Britain, but resigned

as Archbishop of St Andrews

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and Edinburgh in 2013

after admitting sexual misconduct.

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He was recently injured

in a fall and was being cared

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for at a hospital in Newcastle.

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A British woman has been

killed in northern Syria,

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while fighting alongside

Kurdish forces.

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It's understood that Anna Campbell -

who was 26 and from

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Lewes in East Sussex -

died in the town of Afrin,

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which has been the target

of a Turkish offensive.

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She travelled to Syria last May.

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Her father has told the BBC

she was idealistic and knew

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she was putting her life at risk.

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Our correspondent

Emma Vardy reports.

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Anna Campbell was a passionate human

rights activist who travelled

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to Syria last May to join

the Kurdish women's

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armed group, the YPJ.

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She even dyed her hair

so as not to stand out

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among the other fighters.

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Her father, Dirk Campbell,

said he could not have

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prevented his daughter

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from travelling to the warzone.

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She was quite adamant about it.

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I said, you know,

you could be killed.

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And she said, I know, Dad.

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There's nothing I can do

to reassure you about that.

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But I've got to do this,

because it's the most

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important thing for me.

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At first, Anna Campbell had been

involved in fighting with the Kurds

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against so-called Islamic State

in Deir ez-Zor, where IS still

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hold some territory.

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But in January, Turkey began

attacking the Kurds along

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the northern border around

the town of Afrin.

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It is here that Kurdish commanders

say Anna Campbell was killed.

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In a statement, the YPJ said

they tried to keep her away

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from the front line,

but she had insisted on being part

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of the operation to defend Afrin.

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Since 2015, seven British men

have lost their lives.

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Friends of Anna Campbell in Syria

told the BBC she was killed

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by Turkish air strikes,

the first British woman fighting

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with the Kurds to have died.

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A new accomodation centre

to house newly arrived

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asylum seekers in the UK has

just opened in Derby.

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Despite opposition

from local residents

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over a lack of information,

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the new centre will be able

to house up to 200 people

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seeking asylum for 19 days.

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This allows the Home Office time

to assess the individuals

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or families and find them suitable

housing elsewhere in the country.

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Scientists have announced

a significant breakthrough

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in the treatment of

multiple sclerosis.

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Results from a decade-long

international trial have shown

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a stem cell transplant can halt

the disease and improve symptoms.

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The disabling condition affects

about 100,000 people in the UK.

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Doctors in Sheffield,

who were part of the study,

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say the new treatment is a "game

changer" for many patients.

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Residents from several cliff top

seaside chalets in Norfolk have

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been told to evacuate their homes

due to strong winds.

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Police say six properties

in the village of Hemsby

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are at risk of coastal erosion

because of the high tide.

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In 2013, tidal storms saw three

homes in the village washed away.

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That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 9.30.

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Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning -

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use the hashtag Victoria live

and if you text, you will be charged

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at the standard network rate.

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Let's get some sport with Jessica.

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Things are hotting up

in the sport of golf

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with The Masters not far away...

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Yeah, exciting times for the sport,

particularly when you consider the

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resurgence of Tiger Woods in recent

weeks. And now for British golf

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fans, it looks as though Rory

McIlroy is back to his best. Just

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won the Arnold Palmer Invitational

tournament, his first tournament win

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for 18 months, and all the more

exciting because the Masters, the

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first major of the year, starts in

just a couple of weeks. Because Rory

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McIlroy has won this tournament, he

is now the favourite to win that

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green jacket. After the tournament,

he said "I played a perfect round of

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golf", and you can understand why

when you see birdie putts like this.

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He made five birdies in the last six

holes to finish on 18 under par.

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That was three shots ahead of the

rest, and this is McIlroy's first

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win since September 20 16.

All these

little barriers that you have to

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overcome, whether it be physical or

mental, is huge for my confidence

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going into the next few weeks. I

kept saying I didn't need a win

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going into Augusta to feel like I

had a chance, I just wanted to see

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signs of good golf and thankfully, I

have been able to get both today.

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Coverage of the Masters from Augusta

will be live across the BBC from the

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5th of April.

And we now know who is

going to Wembley to compete for the

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FA semi finals.

For all four teams

involved, it will be there any

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chance for a trophy this season.

Manchester United will take on

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Tottenham and when you consider

United's limp exit from the

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Champions League recently and them

being off the pace in the Premier

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League, this could be the trophy

they need for the players and the

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manager Mourinho to answer their

critics. Chelsea play Southampton

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and could be the ideal swansong for

the blues manager Conde, who if you

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listen to reports in the press,

could be leaving Stamford Bridge at

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the end of the season. This is how

Chelsea got to the last four. They

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beat Leicester 2-1. The winning goal

came from Pedro in extra time.

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Towering header from the smallest

player on the pitch. That is a tenth

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FA Cup semifinal now for Chelsea in

18 years. Let's show you Southampton

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did. It was a first good game for

Mark Hughes, their new manager,

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winning in his first match in

charge. They won 2-0. So that is

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Manchester United against Spurs and

Chelsea against Southampton in the

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semifinals of the FA Cup at Wembley.

The matches get under way on the

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21st 22nd of April thank you.

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The maximum stake for fixed odds

betting terminals should be

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cut to £30 or less -

the Gambling Commission has

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recommended this morning.

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At the moment - gamblers playing

games like routlette can lose

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up to £100 per spin,

and can spin three times a minute -

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which means people can lose

thousands of pounds in a relatively

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short space of time.

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The Gambling Commission also

want a maximum of £2

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for fixed odds betting terminals,

which use slot machines.

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The Government now has to decide

whether to accept the Commission's

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advice on the stake limit,

or decide to impose a lower figure.

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We've talked about the problems

caused by FOBTs a number

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of times on this programme,

as Jim Reed reports.

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Fixed odds betting terminals, on the

high street, introduced 15 years ago

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and controversial ever since.

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Tony Franklin has been campaigning

against the machine for years now.

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I was in that hairdresser's over

the road, and I don't know

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what happened, I came out

of the hairdressers, I thought, "Oh,

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go on, what's the harm?

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I'll go in and I'll have a go."

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The addiction's always present.

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I fed in what I had in my wallet,

which I think was about £90.

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Then I came out, took some money

out of the cashpoint,

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and at this point I was totally

devastated and just completely

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caught up in the gambling,

in a red mist is probably the best

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way to describe it,

or a fog, and I just went

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to the counter and I

said, you know, 500.

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I lost that in the space

of a few minutes.

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1000, lost that.

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Another thousand, until I had no

more money in my bank account.

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How did you feel after losing that?

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Devastated.

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At this point, the plan

was still for my wife and child

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to come and live here

in this country with me.

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I'd got a flat set up

and everything ready to go.

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But because of that relapse,

and because my wife realised

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I was still very much

in the gambling, the

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addiction was there.

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To critics this is the dark side of

gambling. You could lose £100 per

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spin and you can spin every 20

seconds. In October the government

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said it plans to force bookmakers to

cut the state. The question now is

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to watch. A final decision is

expected soon. What then are the

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arguments on both sides. Critics of

the machines say the case to cut

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right back to £2 per spin is

overwhelming. In a letter to the

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Chancellor seen by this programme

three MPs say in a single year

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players lost large amounts, more

than £1000, on children 30,000

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separate occasions. Former players

say the cost to society is huge.

To

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allow someone to bed up to £100

every 20 seconds, they are more

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likely to become addict had to

gambling. So which the maximum stake

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would reduce the harm.

Then there's

the case against, the industry says

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that a two downstate would kill off

the machines completely, jobs could

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be last and there would be less

money for government, local councils

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and the racing industry.

With online

and casinos, both of which have

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grown over this period, there are

similar potential for staking and

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the human interaction you get in a

betting shop means that large losses

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are monitored and we can stop them.

A £2 stake would also mean it is

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possible to spend more money more

quickly on gaming machines in pubs

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and arcades spent in betting shops.

Many in the industry said it does

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not make sense. The share price of

the largest gaming companies fell in

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January on rumours that the

government would back the £2 stake.

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Nothing is final yet. But the

Chancellor and the Treasury could be

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worried that it would also damage

tax revenues.

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So do the recommendations

to cap the limit at 30

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quid go far enough?

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We can speak to Carolyn Harris -

Labour MP for Swansea East, Chair

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of the All Party Parliamentary Group

on FOBTs, who is one

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of three MPs to back

cutting FOBT stakes,

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Tim Miller from the Gambling

Commission, Terry White,

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a gambling addict who estimates

he lost £250,000 on FOBTs

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- he's in Cardiff this

morning, and Andy Margett -

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he lost tens of thousands

of pounds gambling online

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and in betting shops -

he's in Derby today.

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Tim, can you explain

what the report recommends -

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how did the commission decide this?

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It is a big reduction for games like

roulette are not as much as

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campaigners wanted.

Well to be clear

it is £30 or less so people calling

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for £2 need not be disappointed, we

have still left that door open. If

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the Secretary of State considers

that appropriate it is still

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perfectly consistent. We based our

advice on a wide range of evidence.

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We looked at 20 billion different

plays. Individual bets. Yes, a huge

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amount of data and we found it did

not point to a single individual

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figure as being the magic bullet.

What we've said is we need a

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conference a package of measures.

So

if it did not point to an individual

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figure why have you registered to

£30 maximum.

Because it showed to

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have significant impact on risk

reduction you need to come down to

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at least £30. Other package says

that cutting the stake by itself is

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not enough so we recommended going

even further by putting in a range

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of other measures.

Caroline, how do

you react?

Initially I was

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disappointed and quite angry but

then I have had a chat with Tim and

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I probably am less angry. I just

need to know that the government

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will not be persuaded by the

argument that £30 is sufficient.

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You're saying £30 now is all right?

Well initially when I heard it

0:19:120:19:25

Well initially when I heard it was

£30, I said that to advance was

0:19:250:19:27

preferable.

The reality is the

evidence we looked at did not point

0:19:270:19:31

to any single figure. It is now for

the Secretary of State to make this

0:19:310:19:35

decision. That is what the

legislation says.

It has got to be

0:19:350:19:39

£2. Terry White and Andy, having

lost £250,000 on these terminals,

0:19:390:19:47

just explain how that is even

possible?

It sounds really difficult

0:19:470:19:54

to do put up but if you're losing

1000, £2000 a day, it only takes

0:19:540:20:02

around six months.

So how do you

then react to this recommendation

0:20:020:20:09

from the Gambling Commission that

for games like roulette, the maximum

0:20:090:20:14

stake should be £30 or less. And

obviously it is up to the government

0:20:140:20:17

to make the final position. They

could choose to pounce as the

0:20:170:20:20

maximum.

They could and I hope that

they will. I've not had time to look

0:20:200:20:26

at the full report put out today but

I have had dialogue with Mr Miller

0:20:260:20:31

and I know Carolyn is also putting -

also keen for that to be £2. But I

0:20:310:20:37

think there are many other aspects

like the speed of the spin and

0:20:370:20:42

responsibility of the bookmakers to

come and have a chat with people

0:20:420:20:45

when clearly they are out of control

on the machines. They say they do

0:20:450:20:48

that but from personal experience I

can tell you they do not.

And how

0:20:480:20:52

would someone in a booking -- in a

bookmakers note that you are out of

0:20:520:21:00

control.

Something along the lines

of a customer losing £500 or perhaps

0:21:000:21:04

swearing, picking the machine, they

would need to say hang on a minute,

0:21:040:21:10

you are affecting other people in

the shop and you know, really be a

0:21:100:21:14

bit more proactive and hands-on to

look after people better.

Tim

0:21:140:21:19

Miller, whatever you said about

interaction between people who work

0:21:190:21:22

in a bookmakers and someone clearly

losing money.

Well that is an

0:21:220:21:27

important point, a strong duty on

gambling companies to act. But

0:21:270:21:30

they're not. We recommend removing

all excuse not to act. That there is

0:21:300:21:37

a strong case to track play. So

potentially if someone had an

0:21:370:21:44

individual login, the player then

can have high quality data on their

0:21:440:21:47

play but importantly gambling

company could spot at an early stage

0:21:470:21:52

the risk of harmful play and act to

intervene.

Actually while they are

0:21:520:21:56

playing on the machine in the

bookmakers.

Exactly.

We want to

0:21:560:22:03

remove excuses. But will they have

time to log on to check on

0:22:030:22:08

individuals in their shop?

The

reality is there needs to be an

0:22:080:22:16

overwhelming drive to prevent people

from harm.

How do you react to these

0:22:160:22:24

recommendations from the Gambling

Commission customer I think it is

0:22:240:22:27

going after one form of gambling

will not work.

There are many forms

0:22:270:22:31

of gambling out there got up and any

form has the potential for harm.

0:22:310:22:40

form has the potential for harm. Any

form of gambling is bad for a

0:22:420:22:43

potential problem gambler. I think

they need to be more education and

0:22:430:22:47

treatment services. We are have all

been to school and we get taught

0:22:470:22:54

about the dangers of drugs, alcohol,

cigarettes, STI 's, but never the

0:22:540:22:59

danger of a potential gambling

problem. You hit a keen and you're

0:22:590:23:05

just free to have a gamble. Play the

lottery. So I believe funding for

0:23:050:23:12

help and treatment is critical and

education as well.

Let me read out

0:23:120:23:18

this e-mail from Keith, betting

machines are a blight, the odds of

0:23:180:23:23

winning can be fixed electronically.

These machines are designed to keep

0:23:230:23:31

you playing with very small wins

just to keep you playing.

The

0:23:310:23:36

problem with these machines, the

machine itself is addictive to most

0:23:360:23:40

problem gamblers, you might have

money that they lose Amin becomes

0:23:400:23:44

irrelevant, it is the activity

itself of the machine. And they are

0:23:440:23:47

built entirely to be captivating,

just like heroin is captivating to

0:23:470:23:54

some. So you will find difficulty.

Not in finding people who can use

0:23:540:23:58

the machines to money launder,

because the amount of money they

0:23:580:24:02

will get cleaned is phenomenal. But

you will have problems finding

0:24:020:24:05

people are personal level who have

won any money. And it becomes

0:24:050:24:10

irrelevant, the actual money becomes

irrelevant.

So maybe you think then

0:24:100:24:14

the recommendations in this report

are a missed opportunity?

0:24:140:24:19

Definitely, as long as the

government stays fan, and

0:24:190:24:23

unconvinced that this moment that

both the secretary of state and

0:24:230:24:27

Minister are resolute and they

believe that £2 the answer because

0:24:270:24:30

of the body language if you like and

the vibes we're getting. It is

0:24:300:24:35

essential for society, for the

individuals, but the high street. It

0:24:350:24:38

is essential that the social

consequences of these machines are a

0:24:380:24:43

limited by reducing the stakes to

£2.

They will be a suspicion that

0:24:430:24:46

you have been got at by the industry

customer not at all.

There have been

0:24:460:24:53

many arguments about the economic

impact of these cuts.

That I think

0:24:530:25:01

shops would close and people lose

their jobs.

In terms of our

0:25:010:25:05

recommendations we have not taken as

arguments on board. We have one

0:25:050:25:09

focus and that is taking action to

protect consumers.

I have one e-mail

0:25:090:25:14

from someone who works in a bookies.

It is anonymous and quite long but

0:25:140:25:19

really worth reading. I work for one

of the big four betting shops. Shop

0:25:190:25:23

staff are trained to spot trouble

gamblers and intervene when

0:25:230:25:27

necessary. I've tried several of

these interventions but I've had

0:25:270:25:31

negative responses from customers

being told to mind my own business.

0:25:310:25:36

I've offered the option of self

exclusion to help the customer as

0:25:360:25:40

well as the industry leaflets but

have been left out on several

0:25:400:25:42

occasions by personal safety

jeopardise for busily so much that

0:25:420:25:48

the shop staff can do and the rest

is the personal responsibility of

0:25:480:25:52

the customer themselves. The reality

of those using extolled terminals is

0:25:520:25:56

not what is being portrayed in the

media for the his customers are well

0:25:560:26:00

aware of their actions and they shun

help. Limiting the bet would just

0:26:000:26:05

mean that the customer would stay at

the terminal for longer and lose the

0:26:050:26:09

same amount of money. Gambling

addiction is a problem and more

0:26:090:26:13

powers should be given to front line

staff to help but I would suggest

0:26:130:26:20

greater powers of exclusion.

Personal responsibility of the

0:26:200:26:28

customer is critical. What do you

say about this that they would just

0:26:300:26:37

stay at the terminal for longer.

That is a risk and one of the

0:26:370:26:40

reasons why we do not point to any

individual number. Suggestions that

0:26:400:26:45

at some levels people could be

driven to riskier behaviour and that

0:26:450:26:50

is why we recommend this broader

package to spot the risks earlier

0:26:500:26:53

on.

What do you say, someone saying

you're working in a bookies and you

0:26:530:27:02

could be told to mind your business

and secondly reducing the state just

0:27:020:27:07

means you stay longer on the

terminal.

I think they are fair

0:27:070:27:11

points, I have seen people

approached by numbers of staff in

0:27:110:27:14

certain shops but it is very random

and does not happen as often as it

0:27:140:27:20

should. I think they need to train

staff even more now and maybe just

0:27:200:27:24

have one staff member in the shop

each day dealing with FOBT issues.

0:27:240:27:31

But unless they have the power to

exclude you from a shop you can just

0:27:310:27:35

ignore a member of staff, no matter

how well trained they are.

Precisely

0:27:350:27:39

and at the end of the day it is the

individual, it is their

0:27:390:27:42

responsibility to take control of

their gambling. Millions of people

0:27:420:27:47

to gamble responsibly and for fun. I

know I have a problem and I cannot

0:27:470:27:51

do that. My light bulb moment, I

smashed up my PC after losing £1000

0:27:510:28:02

at poker online, that is not normal

behaviour.

0:28:020:28:09

behaviour. I would be in a rage and

no one could come over to me and

0:28:090:28:13

tell me to stop. And reducing the

steak on one form of gambling will

0:28:130:28:17

not help a problem gambler. If it

happens, what happens afterwards to

0:28:170:28:22

the gambling addict if it is reduced

to £2.

Let's get answered to that

0:28:220:28:31

question. So the steak is reduced

and what then happens to the

0:28:310:28:34

gambling addict customer that is a

fair point and we should not focus

0:28:340:28:38

on one type of gambling.

We have

been reviewing online gambling as

0:28:380:28:42

well and we will make proposals on

that shortly. Because ultimately

0:28:420:28:47

there is no form of gambling that is

totally safe and risk-free. We need

0:28:470:28:50

to make sure we act on the harms

that comes from all forms of

0:28:500:28:55

gambling.

Let's say the government

take up your recommendation and

0:28:550:28:58

reduce the stakes to £2 as

campaigners want. The addict is

0:28:580:29:03

still an addict.

That is right and

one other thing we will say is that

0:29:030:29:08

the industry needs to up their game

on the amount of resources they put

0:29:080:29:12

into research, education and

training. Because treatment will

0:29:120:29:16

help for many people but at the

moment it is very underfunded.

Thank

0:29:160:29:20

you all for coming in. And of course

we welcome your views and

0:29:200:29:27

experiences.

0:29:270:29:29

Martina Navratilova says that

John McEnroe was paid

0:29:290:29:31

at least "10 times more"

than she was for their commentating

0:29:310:29:34

roles at Wimbledon.

0:29:340:29:35

The former champion told Panorama

that she was shocked when the BBC

0:29:350:29:38

revealed how much its stars earned.

0:29:380:29:42

John McEnroe was named on the list,

appearing in the £150,000 to

0:29:420:29:45

£199,999 bracket -

Martina Navratilova says she was

0:29:450:29:51

Martina Navratilova says that

John McEnroe was paid

0:29:510:29:58

£199,999 bracket -

Martina Navratilova says she was

0:30:020:30:04

paid around £15,000.

0:30:040:30:05

It's hard to really compare exactly

because some people work

0:30:050:30:08

a little longer days,

maybe a few more programmes

0:30:080:30:10

or whatever, but overall

it was a shock because John McEnroe

0:30:100:30:13

makes at least £150,000.

0:30:130:30:14

I get about £15,000 for Wimbledon.

0:30:140:30:16

And, unless John McEnroe's doing

a whole bunch of stuff

0:30:160:30:19

outside of Wimbledon,

he's getting at least ten

0:30:190:30:21

times as much money...

0:30:210:30:24

Ten times?!

0:30:240:30:25

..Than I am for very

comparable work.

0:30:250:30:28

So, yeah, at the moment

that's what I know.

0:30:280:30:30

So you're seriously telling me

that you earn about 10%

0:30:300:30:34

of what John McEnroe earns?

0:30:340:30:35

That's pretty much what it

looks like right now,

0:30:350:30:37

to the best of my knowledge,

yeah, that's how it shakes out.

0:30:370:30:41

How do you feel about that?

0:30:410:30:43

Not happy, let's just say.

0:30:430:30:45

It's shocking.

0:30:450:30:47

If this happens to me, then...

0:30:470:30:50

You know, for me, it's a part-time

job, it's two weeks of my life,

0:30:500:30:53

but for the women that

are there full-time,

0:30:530:30:58

maybe the discrepancy is not that

large but it adds up over a lifetime

0:30:580:31:02

to an amazing amount of money,

so it's extremely unfair,

0:31:020:31:04

and it makes me angry for the other

women that I think go through this.

0:31:040:31:10

The BBC might say, well,

John McEnroe does more hours

0:31:100:31:13

or he's on air longer?

0:31:130:31:15

Ten times as much?

0:31:150:31:16

I don't think so.

0:31:160:31:18

Do you ever say to the BBC,

"Am I earning a comparable amount

0:31:180:31:21

to a man doing a similar job?"

0:31:210:31:23

Absolutely, and we were told, yes,

I was getting comparable amounts,

0:31:230:31:26

so we were not told the truth,

that's for sure.

0:31:260:31:30

Because it's 50 years now

since the Equal Pay Act in Britain.

0:31:300:31:33

Wow.

0:31:330:31:34

Yeah, 50 years since equal pay.

0:31:340:31:35

So it's the law!

0:31:350:31:37

And the BBC is a public corporation.

0:31:370:31:39

I don't want to really rag

on the BBC, because I know it goes

0:31:390:31:42

on, I'm sure, in all the other

networks, but this one being public,

0:31:420:31:45

you know, they've got to do better.

0:31:450:31:53

The BBC says the two commentators

are on different types of contracts

0:31:540:32:02

and that Martina Navratilova appears

on air less than John McEnroe.

0:32:030:32:05

And you can see more of that

interview in a Panorama special

0:32:050:32:08

tonight at 7.30 on BBC One.

0:32:080:32:10

That's Panorama: Britain's

Equal Pay Scandal.

0:32:100:32:15

Still to come:

0:32:150:32:16

We'll be looking into how asylum

seekers are housed around

0:32:160:32:19

the country by private companies

on multi-million pound

0:32:190:32:21

government contracts.

0:32:210:32:29

And we will look at what Vladimir

Putin's election win means.

0:32:320:32:37

Time for the latest

news - here's Joanna.

0:32:370:32:39

The BBC News

headlines this morning...

0:32:390:32:44

The Gambling Commission has

recommended that the maximum stake

0:32:440:32:47

the fixed odds betting terminals

should be reduced from £100 to £30,

0:32:470:32:51

or £2 in the case of slot machines.

It says cutting the stake alone will

0:32:510:32:55

not cure problem gambling and has

recommended what it calls a

0:32:550:32:59

comprehensive package of other

measures to protect consumers. The

0:32:590:33:03

industry has the blanket reduction

to £2 would cost of jobs.

0:33:030:33:06

Official results from Russia show

President Putin has been re-elected

0:33:060:33:09

with more than 76% of the vote.

0:33:090:33:10

He told a victory rally that

Russia must maintain unity

0:33:100:33:13

following his landslide win -

but CCTV footage from a number

0:33:130:33:15

of polling stations appears to show

election officials stuffing boxes

0:33:150:33:18

with ballot papers.

0:33:180:33:24

International chemical weapons

experts are due to arrive in the UK

0:33:240:33:29

later today to test the nerve agent

used to poison former

0:33:290:33:34

Russian spy Sergei Skripal

and his daughter Yulia.

0:33:340:33:37

President Putin says

claims his country was behind

0:33:370:33:39

the attack are "nonsense",

but Boris Johnson claims Russia has

0:33:390:33:42

been stockpiling Novichok for years.

0:33:420:33:46

Test results could be seen

in around two weeks' time.

0:33:460:33:53

The TV presenter Ant McPartlin has

been arrested on charges of driving.

0:33:560:34:01

Police were called to the scene

yesterday afternoon. A car passenger

0:34:010:34:04

was taken to hospital as a

precaution. Scotland Yard said a

0:34:040:34:08

42-year-old man was arrested at the

scene after failing a breathalyser

0:34:080:34:10

test.

0:34:100:34:11

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

0:34:110:34:18

A viewer is not sympathetic to

anyone addicted to gambling. If you

0:34:180:34:21

don't realise you're wasting your

money on gambling, drugs or drink,

0:34:210:34:25

you need to grow up. There are too

many excuses. People are responsible

0:34:250:34:30

for themselves. You have the choice.

It is not responsible to give the

0:34:300:34:34

government or the taxpayer. And

Ariadne says you just have to look

0:34:340:34:37

at the areas of betting shops to

know that they are taking advantage

0:34:370:34:43

of vulnerable people. Do keep those

coming in.

0:34:430:34:45

Here's so coming in.

0:34:450:34:51

Here is some sport. McIlroy wins his

first tournament for months at the

0:34:510:34:54

Arnold Palmer international. He sank

five birdies in the last six holes,

0:34:540:35:00

including that glorious but to

finish on 18 under par three shots

0:35:000:35:03

ahead of the field. Chelsea confirm

their place in the FA Cup semifinals

0:35:030:35:10

after a 2- win over Leicester after

extra time. They will play

0:35:100:35:14

Southampton in the last four.

Manchester United will take on Spurs

0:35:140:35:16

in the other fixture. World number

one Roger Federer's winning run has

0:35:160:35:21

come to an end after losing the

final at the Indian Wells to Juan

0:35:210:35:27

Martin del Potro. The Argentine is

the first player to beat Federer in

0:35:270:35:31

18 matches. And England bowler

Stuart Broad tells the BBC that he

0:35:310:35:35

has no plans to retire from

international cricket any time soon.

0:35:350:35:38

England get their Test match against

New Zealand under way in the early

0:35:380:35:41

hours of Thursday morning. Those are

your sports headlines. I will be

0:35:410:35:47

back just after ten.

0:35:470:35:50

Every year, thousands of asylum

seekers enter the UK -

0:35:500:35:53

on planes, on the back of lorries,

illegally smuggled in...

0:35:530:35:58

When they arrive, most are initially

housed in an asylum reception centre

0:35:580:36:03

while the Home Office decides

whether their case to stay

0:36:030:36:05

as a refugee in the UK is genuine.

0:36:050:36:07

One such Initial Accomodation Centre

which houses over 200 asylum seekers

0:36:070:36:10

has just opened in Derby -

despite opposition

0:36:100:36:13

from local residents.

0:36:130:36:17

Our reporter Sean Clare

has this report.

0:36:170:36:24

Just over 26,000 people arrived

in the UK seeking asylum last year,

0:36:240:36:27

many needing somewhere to live.

0:36:270:36:29

Most people accept they have

to be housed somewhere,

0:36:290:36:32

but who wants them arriving

at the end of their street?

0:36:320:36:35

By the way, you're having 240 asylum

seekers on your doorstep and,

0:36:350:36:38

guess what, you can't do

anything about it.

0:36:380:36:43

Three companies are

responsible for housing them,

0:36:430:36:46

contracts worth millions.

0:36:460:36:47

In recent years, security firm G4S

have housed more than anyone else.

0:36:470:36:54

And with a national housing crisis,

the companies seek out the cheapest

0:36:540:36:57

homes in the most deprived parts

of the country.

0:36:570:36:59

The idea was to relieve pressure

on the south-east of England,

0:36:590:37:02

but is the system working as it

should for those already here?

0:37:020:37:05

We haven't got enough

for ourselves, let alone having

0:37:050:37:07

other people coming in.

0:37:070:37:08

..or for those hoping

to make the UK their home?

0:37:080:37:12

They give the accommodation

where no-one else wants to live,

0:37:120:37:15

and life is very difficult.

0:37:150:37:16

Crime is very high.

0:37:160:37:18

Prostitution, addiction.

0:37:180:37:26

Here in Derby, the student halls

of residence has just been turned

0:37:280:37:31

into accommodation for more

than 200 asylum seekers.

0:37:310:37:35

They're supposed to spend just three

weeks here before being moved

0:37:350:37:38

to a longer-term home.

0:37:380:37:41

Derby is a multicultural city

and is already home to asylum

0:37:410:37:44

seekers and refugees,

but local residents have been

0:37:440:37:47

questioning whether this

is an appropriate location for such

0:37:470:37:49

a transient, vulnerable community.

0:37:490:37:51

Fantastic area, very

close-knit community.

0:37:510:37:55

One of those areas where everybody

looks out for everybody.

0:37:550:37:59

Ajit Atwal, who used to represent

the area on the local council,

0:37:590:38:02

opposed the plan to convert

the student halls from the start.

0:38:020:38:04

We don't know what's

in there at the moment.

0:38:040:38:07

G4S are very quiet and very...

0:38:070:38:09

take a back-seat when it comes

to answering any questions.

0:38:090:38:11

People round here need to know,

they should be answerable

0:38:110:38:13

to the people of this area because,

at the end of the day,

0:38:130:38:16

they were here a lot longer

than what these people were.

0:38:160:38:19

The centre holds 225 people, and G4S

expect it to fill up this month.

0:38:190:38:22

It's almost full now, and there have

been no reported problems.

0:38:220:38:25

But residents are still worried.

0:38:250:38:26

Is there a way that,

if G4S had communicated differently,

0:38:260:38:29

you could see the system working

in this area?

0:38:290:38:31

It could have done, yeah.

0:38:310:38:36

They should have come out and spoke

to residents properly instead

0:38:360:38:39

of just inviting people to a council

meeting and saying,

0:38:390:38:41

"This is what we've put in place."

0:38:410:38:43

They could have sent leaflets,

they could've knocked

0:38:430:38:45

on people's doors.

0:38:450:38:46

They're a big organisation,

it's not like they're

0:38:460:38:49

short of a few quid.

0:38:490:38:49

They should consult people and give

them that reassurance that,

0:38:490:38:52

you know what, we're here to work

with you, any concerns you've got,

0:38:520:38:55

come to us directly so we can iron

those concerns out and you can get

0:38:550:38:58

on with life and the residents,

the refugees here

0:38:580:39:00

can get on with life.

0:39:000:39:02

While hundreds of people signed

a petition against the centre,

0:39:020:39:04

G4S say they consulted with local

residents, communicated

0:39:040:39:06

through local press,

and will continue their engagement

0:39:060:39:08

every three months.

0:39:080:39:09

But in this cafe just

across the road,

0:39:090:39:11

the anger at G4S is obvious.

0:39:110:39:16

When you go to the shop, you don't

feel in fear at the minute.

0:39:160:39:20

The owner moved house before

the centre even opened

0:39:200:39:22

because of his fears about what it

would mean for the area.

0:39:220:39:25

Mark Harris says he's worried

about his property and his family.

0:39:250:39:27

I don't want this.

0:39:270:39:28

I haven't signed up for this,

I don't want this.

0:39:280:39:31

You're lucky, you moved.

0:39:310:39:34

If I could have moved,

I would have been out

0:39:340:39:37

of here straight away.

0:39:370:39:38

I wouldn't have batted an eyelid

about it, I'd have been gone,

0:39:380:39:41

because it's not my cup of tea.

0:39:410:39:42

I wish they'd given us

more information before

0:39:420:39:44

everyone panicked.

0:39:440:39:45

The information should have been put

out there so people like me,

0:39:450:39:48

people like yourself,

everyone on Drury Lane would have

0:39:480:39:50

had a better educated response.

0:39:500:39:56

I picked this area for

what reason I wanted.

0:39:560:39:58

Your future.

0:39:580:40:00

It's close to town, my future,

it's everything it provides to me.

0:40:000:40:03

Then one day I get told,

out of the blue, nowt to do with me,

0:40:030:40:07

"Oh, by the way, you're having 240

asylum seekers on your doorstep and,

0:40:070:40:10

guess what, you can't

do anything about it."

0:40:100:40:12

It's like the next-door neighbour,

she owns her house.

0:40:120:40:15

Let's say she's going to sell her

property in two months' time,

0:40:150:40:19

somebody comes round and views

the area, there's asylum seekers,

0:40:190:40:23

a block on the corner,

that house has got loads more

0:40:230:40:26

chances of not selling.

0:40:260:40:30

If I walk down the road

and there were ten asylum

0:40:300:40:33

seekers/refugees stood out there,

I'm crossing that road.

0:40:330:40:34

I ain't walking past

them for anybody.

0:40:340:40:36

I spoke to G4S and said,

"Who's in charge?

0:40:360:40:39

If something goes wrong,

my house gets broken into,

0:40:390:40:41

my property gets stolen,

I get beaten up or anything

0:40:410:40:43

goes wrong, who...?"

0:40:430:40:45

He were like, "Well,

we're not in charge,

0:40:450:40:47

we're just looking after it."

0:40:470:40:51

The only question I haven't had

a realistic answer to is,

0:40:510:40:57

can you prove to us

that these aren't soldiers?

0:40:570:41:00

That these people aren't

killers or rapists?

0:41:000:41:06

Can you just tell us that they've

come from a blown-up town or city

0:41:060:41:09

where their houses have gone

and they have nowhere to live?

0:41:090:41:12

I feel sorry for them,

it's not their fault...

0:41:120:41:14

So work with them.

0:41:140:41:16

Yeah, I am working with them and my

point of working with them is,

0:41:160:41:19

I didn't want them living

on my doorstep.

0:41:190:41:24

We have an hour's English class

on a Tuesday, one on a Thursday.

0:41:240:41:27

A few minutes down the road

is Janet Fuller who, for years,

0:41:270:41:30

has been managing an advice centre

for Derby's refugees

0:41:300:41:32

and asylum seekers.

0:41:320:41:33

We've been hearing this morning

from somebody who was adamant

0:41:330:41:36

that he doesn't know who the asylum

seekers are, doesn't know

0:41:360:41:38

where they've come from,

he doesn't know what they might be

0:41:380:41:42

doing, and as soon as he can move

out of that area, he's going to go.

0:41:420:41:45

I can absolutely understand why

residents would be concerned,

0:41:450:41:49

because if you suddenly get

accommodation housing more than 200

0:41:490:41:52

people right on your doorstep,

whoever those 200 or more people

0:41:520:41:54

are, it's a difficult situation.

0:41:540:41:58

There are always going to be fears

about terrorism in this situation.

0:41:580:42:01

The vast majority of people we see

here have stood up to terrorism,

0:42:010:42:04

or have been fleeing from terrorism

and want to do something

0:42:040:42:07

to counteract that.

0:42:070:42:08

They want to have a positive

influence on this society

0:42:080:42:13

and they want to contribute.

0:42:130:42:19

If the Home Office decides

those seeking asylum

0:42:190:42:22

are destitute and need housing,

after three weeks they are supposed

0:42:220:42:25

to be rehoused in parts

of the country with a supply

0:42:250:42:27

of cheap longer-term accommodation.

0:42:270:42:29

So how does it feel to be sent

somewhere where nothing

0:42:290:42:32

and no-one is familiar?

0:42:320:42:34

Somewhere with social problems

and already-stretched services,

0:42:340:42:35

and somewhere where you can find

yourself at the sharp end

0:42:350:42:38

of resentment and fear?

0:42:380:42:40

It looks like you're not welcome.

0:42:400:42:42

They're not friendly.

0:42:420:42:43

No-one will come to help

you because they don't

0:42:430:42:45

know who's that person.

0:42:450:42:49

Even though there is a community

around you, you are still alone.

0:42:490:42:53

We've protected the identity

of this asylum seeker,

0:42:530:42:55

because she fears reprisals from G4S

for speaking out.

0:42:550:42:59

How appropriate is your

accommodation, and what are some

0:42:590:43:01

of the problems with

the facilities in there?

0:43:010:43:06

Usually the G4S people,

they give the accommodation

0:43:060:43:08

where no-one else wants to live,

and life is very difficult.

0:43:080:43:15

Crime is very high,

prostitution, addiction.

0:43:150:43:20

They don't contact us,

they don't reply to our problems,

0:43:200:43:24

they don't solve our problems,

they don't return our phone calls.

0:43:240:43:29

They think we're just like slaves.

0:43:290:43:32

That, you know, whatever

they give us, we will accept.

0:43:320:43:37

What would you say, then,

to those who say that the more

0:43:370:43:40

comfortable the system is,

the better the system is,

0:43:400:43:42

it might encourage more

people to come to Britain?

0:43:420:43:50

Some people, they come by boat,

some people, they come in a truck,

0:43:500:43:53

some people are living a happy life

with all their luxuries,

0:43:530:43:56

but because of bad luck or somehow

they are involved with the system

0:43:560:44:03

they go through all this stress,

it makes them like, you know,

0:44:040:44:06

worse than animals.

0:44:060:44:07

Jen, not her real name,

used to work at a G4S call centre.

0:44:070:44:14

I worked for the G4S contract

providing accommodation to asylum

0:44:140:44:16

seekers in the Midlands and East

of England and Yorkshire

0:44:160:44:19

and Humberside.

0:44:190:44:25

What effect did working for G4S have

on you and your attitude

0:44:250:44:28

to asylum and immigration?

0:44:280:44:31

The longer I worked there,

and the attitude of management

0:44:310:44:34

and the way that people were just

sort of treated more

0:44:340:44:36

like a commodity, you know,

I wanted to help people

0:44:360:44:39

when I was there because obviously

I started working there,

0:44:390:44:44

and you get to know people's

situations and people's stories,

0:44:440:44:47

and obviously most people

would want to do good

0:44:470:44:50

in that situation.

0:44:500:44:51

But you can't.

0:44:510:44:54

I'm not saying that all the staff

are bad and that a member of staff

0:44:540:44:57

has never done a nice thing

for somebody, but it's

0:44:570:45:00

not encouraged.

0:45:000:45:01

What kind of things did you hear

or see G4S staff doing

0:45:010:45:04

when you worked there?

0:45:040:45:05

I've heard a senior person on that

contract say that if an asylum

0:45:050:45:11

seeker has that got credit to call,

then don't call them back.

0:45:110:45:18

seeker hasn't got credit to call,

then don't call them back.

0:45:180:45:21

That's their problem.

0:45:210:45:22

Why are we paying

for an interpreter?

0:45:220:45:23

Why are we doing this?

0:45:230:45:24

That's the kind of

attitude that we've got.

0:45:240:45:26

There was a woman I used

to work with, she'd pretend

0:45:260:45:29

that she couldn't understand

somebody or that she couldn't

0:45:290:45:31

hear somebody and put

the phone down on them.

0:45:310:45:37

That colleagues said to me,

when she used to talk to people

0:45:370:45:40

like absolute dirt and I heard,

and I sort of looked at her one

0:45:400:45:44

day and she just said,

"Don't look at me like I've just

0:45:440:45:46

stamped on a baby."

0:45:460:45:47

They were her actual words.

0:45:470:45:49

They just don't care.

0:45:490:45:50

They just don't care.

0:45:500:45:51

In a statement, G4S told

us their staff are expected

0:45:510:45:53

to behave with integrity,

care and respect, and that action is

0:45:530:45:56

taken against those who fall short.

0:45:560:45:57

Two employees, they say, have been

dismissed in the last four years.

0:45:570:46:00

They said asylum seekers are either

asked to use a freephone helpline

0:46:000:46:03

number or that G4S staff would call

them back if they don't have credit.

0:46:030:46:06

The company said there is no

instruction to not call

0:46:060:46:09

asylum seekers back.

0:46:090:46:12

Asylum seekers like this one

are sent to parts of the country

0:46:120:46:15

where the local council has said

they will take them.

0:46:150:46:17

But in places like Loftus,

a small, isolated town

0:46:170:46:20

on the north-east coast of England,

the council's decision is not always

0:46:200:46:23

backed up by the local people.

0:46:230:46:28

It's one of the least diverse

parts of the country,

0:46:280:46:30

and the lack of local services

here is a common complaint.

0:46:300:46:33

This is my shop here.

0:46:330:46:35

I've been here for just over,

well, I've been in Loftus

0:46:350:46:38

business for 27 years.

0:46:380:46:39

When we heard the asylum seekers

were coming to Loftus,

0:46:390:46:42

we were told that this

was the building that they were

0:46:420:46:44

going to be housed in.

0:46:440:46:47

It only has one entrance

to the building.

0:46:470:46:50

It is above a pizza shop.

0:46:500:46:52

I think the children

would have just hounded them.

0:46:520:46:58

The children, at this time of night,

now, would have been gathering

0:46:580:47:01

outside the pizza shop and it

would have just escalated

0:47:010:47:03

after they'd been drinking.

0:47:030:47:06

What do you say to those people that

say, they'd probably come from civil

0:47:060:47:10

war in Syria where they've seen

a bit worse than a pizza

0:47:100:47:12

shop and a few kids?

0:47:120:47:14

But they shouldn't be victimised

when they come to another country.

0:47:140:47:16

We don't want them to come

here and think that this

0:47:160:47:19

is what England is like.

0:47:190:47:20

It's not like that.

0:47:200:47:22

But the way G4S and the council

did it, it was just,

0:47:220:47:25

it just wasn't right,

it wasn't fair to make us

0:47:250:47:28

look as though we're

horrible, and we're not.

0:47:280:47:32

So you're not racists?

0:47:320:47:33

Not at all.

0:47:330:47:37

One year on, ask people at this

meeting of community leaders,

0:47:370:47:39

and they're clear they made

the right choice

0:47:390:47:41

in blocking the plan.

0:47:410:47:43

My friend and myself saw a gentleman

going into a house along West Road

0:47:430:47:48

and asked them what they were doing

and they said, oh, they're G4S,

0:47:480:47:56

they were going to, they were doing

safety checks because immigrants

0:47:560:47:59

were coming in.

0:47:590:48:01

Nobody knew what anybody was doing.

0:48:010:48:03

G4S arrived, the population

here didn't know anything about it.

0:48:030:48:07

We all found little snippets

about what was going on.

0:48:070:48:10

I think it was widely

accepted that we just do not

0:48:100:48:13

have the infrastructure

for our own people,

0:48:130:48:15

let alone, let alone...

0:48:150:48:16

Exactly.

0:48:160:48:19

They would have been targeted.

0:48:190:48:21

The residents are so deprived

at this present time that anybody

0:48:210:48:24

getting a hand-out they think should

come to them rather

0:48:240:48:28

than somebody from...

0:48:280:48:30

It must be awful for somebody

who can't afford a fridge to see

0:48:300:48:34

a new fridge going to one of these

multiple occupancy things, you know.

0:48:340:48:37

And I think we just touched

on something else there,

0:48:370:48:39

that we have no police,

we have no police presence at all.

0:48:390:48:44

In the past, Loftus has welcomed

immigrants from the likes of Bosnia,

0:48:440:48:48

we feel as though we are that far

down the pecking order

0:48:480:48:52

when it comes to anything,

volunteers are running that much

0:48:520:48:54

services now in this town,

in this area, it would be

0:48:540:48:57

wrong to put more things

on their shoulders so that they were

0:48:570:49:00

doing all the things

that the councils and the Government

0:49:000:49:03

should be doing.

0:49:030:49:05

The multi-billion pound Government

contract to provide accommodation

0:49:050:49:09

to asylum seekers for the next ten

years is currently out to tender,

0:49:090:49:13

and G4S, the company which houses

more new arrivals that any other,

0:49:130:49:15

is hopeful of getting

the green light.

0:49:150:49:19

But here in Sheffield,

campaigners like John Grayson,

0:49:190:49:21

an expert on asylum housing

and long-time critic of G4S,

0:49:210:49:26

say complaints about the company

make them unfit to do the job.

0:49:260:49:29

A good minority of the housing,

30% at least, is appalling.

0:49:290:49:34

Atrocious conditions,

and it's been like that since 2012

0:49:340:49:39

when they took over the contract.

0:49:390:49:42

Hasn't got any better,

I'm still coming across houses

0:49:420:49:45

with rats, with terrible kind

of damp, bedbugs is very

0:49:450:49:49

common in their housing.

0:49:490:49:54

They dumped this disabled

asylum seeker in a house

0:49:540:49:56

with an asbestos notice on it,

where a ceiling had collapsed.

0:49:560:50:00

You know, their carers

wouldn't go in because of

0:50:000:50:03

that, quite right, too.

0:50:030:50:07

Only in November a child

with cancer, lung cancer,

0:50:070:50:09

was put in a house where there

were rats, and they knew there were

0:50:090:50:12

rats when they put her in there.

0:50:120:50:15

There is a new ten-year £4 billion

contract out to tender at the moment

0:50:150:50:18

to house asylum seekers.

0:50:180:50:20

Should G4S get that contract?

0:50:200:50:23

No, definitely not, and I think

the record shows that.

0:50:230:50:26

Four Parliamentary committees have

said that they shouldn't actually be

0:50:260:50:32

housing asylum seekers

because of their atrocious

0:50:320:50:34

conditions, etc.

0:50:340:50:36

We think there could be legal

action to stop them.

0:50:360:50:41

Is this a political

point you're making?

0:50:410:50:43

Someone's got to house these people,

someone's got to get the contract.

0:50:430:50:46

We're only talking about 47,000

people across the UK

0:50:460:50:49

in asylum housing.

0:50:490:50:51

It's not an amazing number.

0:50:510:50:53

You'd have thought the housing

association sector, for instance,

0:50:530:50:57

would be an appropriate kind

of landlord, and I'm sure

0:50:570:50:59

the housing association sector

would be quite interested in getting

0:50:590:51:02

that kind of public money

to house asylum seekers.

0:51:020:51:06

G4S said the rats at the house

in Sheffield were coming from next

0:51:060:51:09

door, not one of theirs.

0:51:090:51:10

They said the family were moved

when they were told about the state

0:51:100:51:14

of the child's health,

and they say no asbestos was found

0:51:140:51:17

in the other property.

0:51:170:51:18

With companies currently vying

for these accommodation contracts,

0:51:180:51:21

MPs have said the voices of those

living in these houses

0:51:210:51:24

should be heard.

0:51:240:51:25

Many existing local residents said

they want their voices heard, too.

0:51:250:51:33

Phil says people talking about

asylum seekers like that, I do not

0:51:390:51:44

understand them. Their lives are

hard enough without that attitude.

0:51:440:51:49

And Roxy says this section of the

programme is so depressing. Can you

0:51:490:51:54

prove that these asylum seekers are

not rapists, can you prove that

0:51:540:52:01

locals are not.

0:52:010:52:03

G4S did not want to be interviewed

about the claims in Sean's film.

0:52:030:52:07

But in a statement they told us:

"all G4S properties are subject

0:52:070:52:09

to inspections to ensure they meet

the standards set

0:52:090:52:12

by the Home Office.

0:52:120:52:13

There are over 4,000 inspections

conducted every month

0:52:130:52:15

by G4S and the Home Office

and Local Authorities

0:52:150:52:17

also conduct random,

no-notice inspections.

0:52:170:52:19

We always take complaints

about the accommodation

0:52:190:52:21

we provide very seriously.

0:52:210:52:23

Asylum seekers access our free 24/7

service centre by telephone in large

0:52:230:52:26

numbers to report problems,

in some months we receive

0:52:260:52:28

over 4,000 calls.

0:52:280:52:31

This demonstrates a service

which is working well and asylum

0:52:310:52:34

seekers are comfortable and willing

to engage, reporting issues."

0:52:340:52:42

Well it has been indicated that the

EU will support the UK in response

0:52:450:52:50

to the nerve agent being used in

Salisbury.

0:52:500:52:53

Russia's president, Vladimir Putin,

says it's 'nonsense' to suggest that

0:52:530:52:55

Russia poisoned the former double

agent, Sergei Skripal,

0:52:550:52:57

and his daughter in Salisbury.

0:52:570:52:58

Speaking after winning a fourth term

in office last night,

0:52:580:53:01

Mr Putin said it was 'unimaginable'

that Russia would do

0:53:010:53:03

such a thing ahead of

the election and the football

0:53:030:53:06

World Cup this summer.

0:53:060:53:07

Vladimir Putin was re-elected

as Russian president

0:53:070:53:09

with an increased -

76% - share of the vote

0:53:090:53:11

and will remain in office

for another six years.

0:53:110:53:13

TRANSLATION:

In relation to the tragedy you

0:53:130:53:17

mention I learnt about it from the

media and the first thing that came

0:53:170:53:20

into my mind is that if it was a

military operation people would have

0:53:200:53:24

died straightaway. This is the

number one. Secondly Russia does not

0:53:240:53:29

have those weapons. Russia has

demolished all of its chemical

0:53:290:53:35

weapons under the supervision,

international supervision. Some of

0:53:350:53:43

our partners have not yet done that.

Well he remains in office for

0:53:430:53:49

another six years.

0:53:490:53:51

That means the 65-year-old has been

either Russian president or prime

0:53:510:53:53

minister for 24 years.

0:53:530:53:54

Despite his time in office - very

little is actually known about him.

0:53:540:53:57

Here's the BBC's Russian translator

Pavel Koklachev with details.

0:53:570:54:03

Vladimir Putin.

0:54:030:54:05

Here are some facts you didn't know

about Russia's president.

0:54:050:54:08

First, he's a former spy.

0:54:080:54:10

Who worked in East

Germany for the KGB.

0:54:100:54:13

So he can reportedly

speak German and English.

0:54:130:54:16

But in public he only

speaks Russian.

0:54:160:54:20

Being a former spy, his life

is shrouded in a lot of mystery.

0:54:200:54:24

So we cannot be absolutely sure

about what is fact and what is not.

0:54:240:54:29

But it seems sure that

he is a father to two

0:54:290:54:32

daughters although nothing

is known about them.

0:54:320:54:36

No photographs of them

exist and it is not known

0:54:360:54:39

whether they even live in Russia.

0:54:390:54:46

It is reported he is

divorced from his wife

0:54:460:54:48

in 2014.

0:54:480:54:49

We know her name, but not much

else is known about her.

0:54:490:54:56

For the president of a country that

helped invent vodka,

0:54:560:54:58

Putin is reportedly nearly teetotal.

0:54:580:54:59

It is not known if this is fact.

0:54:590:55:02

But the only time he has ever been

seen holding a drink

0:55:020:55:05

is on official occasions.

0:55:050:55:07

Speaking of drinking and eating,

everything that Putin eats has

0:55:070:55:10

to have been cleared by the Kremlin.

0:55:100:55:13

According to a report in 2014,

the security around Putin

0:55:130:55:16

is so tight that when he travels

to foreign countries

0:55:160:55:19

all the food and drink,

even the bed sheets,

0:55:190:55:23

are flown in from Russia.

0:55:230:55:25

For security reasons it is reported

he does not use much technology.

0:55:250:55:32

According to a Newsweek magazine

profile he rarely uses the internet.

0:55:320:55:35

Putin likes to portray

himself as a tough guy.

0:55:350:55:38

As such he has only ever once

shown emotion in public.

0:55:380:55:43

He cried at the funeral of the man

who gave him his political break.

0:55:430:55:48

His tough guy image is enhanced

with his black belt in judo.

0:55:480:55:54

And playing ice hockey and riding

bareback on horseback.

0:55:540:55:58

This is when Putin is reported to be

most happy although again,

0:55:580:56:01

it is not known whether this

is a fact.

0:56:010:56:03

Or just information

supplied by the Kremlin.

0:56:030:56:11

Let's speak to Dmitry Linnik,

a former Russian journalist,

0:56:130:56:16

who worked for the Voice of Russia

radio station, and now works

0:56:160:56:21

at media brand Sputnik,

Professor Margot Light,

0:56:210:56:24

an expert on Russian foreign policy.

0:56:240:56:27

And MP Stephen Kinnock,

a Labour backbencher,

0:56:270:56:29

who has said Britain should push

to strip Russia of the World Cup

0:56:290:56:32

and have it held next

year in another country.

0:56:320:56:34

He was forced to leave

St Petersburg when he worked

0:56:340:56:37

for the British Council

a decade ago...

0:56:370:56:43

Russian people will support Putin no

matter what he does but you might I

0:56:430:56:49

guess qualified support is quite

significant, yes.

It would be fair

0:56:490:56:52

to say there is a lot of

dissatisfaction a lot of fatigue

0:56:520:56:56

perhaps. A lot of anger and

opposition. But when the chips are

0:56:560:57:03

down yes, the 76% is an increase on

2012.

And that is partly because a

0:57:030:57:11

spokesman for the campaign said

because of what happened as they put

0:57:110:57:15

it, thanks largely to the UK Gaza

what happened two weeks ago in

0:57:150:57:18

Salisbury.

I do not think it could

have played a major role but maybe

0:57:180:57:23

you know a few percentage points,

yes.

Stephen Kinnock, what is your

0:57:230:57:28

reaction to the election and claims

of vote rigging?

I think democracy

0:57:280:57:35

is not just about what happens at

the ballot box, it is the whole

0:57:350:57:38

environment in which the election

takes place, some of the political

0:57:380:57:42

debate takes place. The fact is the

Russian state basically controls the

0:57:420:57:45

television media and newspaper

reading in Russia is relatively low

0:57:450:57:52

levels. So the television plays a

massive role. And it is in essence a

0:57:520:57:57

propaganda vehicle for Mr Putin. So

not surprising he has tremendous

0:57:570:58:02

support, I think also worth

recognising there are still a lot of

0:58:020:58:05

support frames of the Russian people

feel he has delivered security and

0:58:050:58:09

stability and a certain amount of

economic growth compared to the

0:58:090:58:12

total chaos of the Yeltsin years. So

I think broadly is the Russian

0:58:120:58:21

people certainly outside of Moscow

and St Petersburg support Putin. But

0:58:210:58:23

I also think there is not proper

there. One of the strongest

0:58:230:58:29

candidate in opposition has been

constantly repressed and suppressed.

0:58:290:58:35

Of course we have the assassination

as well of a political rival soap

0:58:350:58:41

not really what we would describe as

a free and fair situation for the is

0:58:410:58:45

that fair? Russia is a tough place,

a rough place, much more so than the

0:58:450:58:52

UK or any other established

democracy. But it is a much more

0:58:520:58:57

normal country then people often

tend to believe in the West, and in

0:58:570:59:02

the UK. And perhaps primarily in the

UK because the UK has been at the

0:59:020:59:08

forefront of this massive sustained

could probably call it media war on

0:59:080:59:14

Putin and Russia.

And media war on

Hughton and Russia, Stephen Kinnock?

0:59:140:59:21

I spent three years living and

working in Russia and it has a

0:59:210:59:24

special place in my heart, I think

it is a wonderful country and I

0:59:240:59:28

agree it is also a tough country for

that amazing people, culture,

0:59:280:59:32

literature, history. A truly

fascinating place. But I'm afraid

0:59:320:59:37

the Russian people for centuries

have been let down by their leaders.

0:59:370:59:42

There is a tendency to

authoritarianism, to despotic

0:59:420:59:48

tendencies, to the state using fear

to suppress its people. And those

0:59:480:59:53

are just the facts of the matter.

Clearly Russia has changed

0:59:530:59:58

enormously since the collapse of the

Soviet Union. I do not think that we

0:59:581:00:01

are in a new Cold War, I think what

we have far more is a very dangerous

1:00:011:00:06

coalition of the security state and

the Mafia that are running the show.

1:00:061:00:12

And are not always sure whether Mr

Putin is truly in control of what is

1:00:121:00:16

happening in the Kremlin or whether

he's just a front man for all kinds

1:00:161:00:20

of, the deep state around him.

Nobody really knows what is going on

1:00:201:00:25

and that is part of the difficulty

with this because of course that

1:00:251:00:28

lack of transparency is what reads

this constant sense that there is a

1:00:281:00:34

hostile posture in Russia towards

the West.

1:00:341:00:41

Dmitri?

I agree with a lot of the.

There is a tradition that is

1:00:441:00:48

difficult. But again, there is such

a vast gap between the oppression of

1:00:481:01:00

Stalin and Zara 's and Russia today.

1:01:001:01:03

These are two completely different

countries that we need to speak

1:01:031:01:06

about and be aware of that. So I

give qualified support what MP

1:01:061:01:15

Kinnock has just said.

Professor,

when you hear President Putin saying

1:01:151:01:19

Russia has destroyed all its

chemical weapons, it's nonsense to

1:01:191:01:23

implicate his government in the

attack on Salisbury on the 4th of

1:01:231:01:26

March, how do you respond?

It's true

the Organisation for the Prohibition

1:01:261:01:32

of Chemical Weapons certified that

Russia no longer had any chemical

1:01:321:01:36

weapons. We will have to wait to see

what the organisation now says about

1:01:361:01:40

the samples it is taking from

Salisbury before we come to any firm

1:01:401:01:46

conclusions. You must admit that

when you think of the reputational

1:01:461:01:50

damage to Russia in the last two

weeks, it would really be an

1:01:501:01:57

extraordinarily poor sense of

politics that would explain any kind

1:01:571:02:03

of motivation for this poisoning

being accomplished by the President

1:02:031:02:10

ordered by the President.

Sorry,

explain what you mean?

Well, what

1:02:101:02:15

has happened in the last two weeks

has hardly done Russia's reputation

1:02:151:02:19

any good. It is extraordinary to

think that the president would order

1:02:191:02:28

poisoning by a chemical weapons that

can easily be identified as being

1:02:281:02:32

produced by Russia. It is so hard to

see the motivation.

I am going to

1:02:321:02:40

leave it there. Thank you, all of

you. Use of sport are on the way in

1:02:401:02:46

a moment. Before that, the weather.

1:02:461:02:48

Heavy snow over the weekend did

cause some disruption and with cold

1:02:521:02:55

nights and snow on the ground, we

are looking at problems with ice

1:02:551:03:02

over the next few days. Temperatures

are still struggling. We are looking

1:03:021:03:07

at another cold day.

1:03:071:03:12

at another cold day. If Chrissy

sunshine across Northern Ireland,

1:03:161:03:18

England and Wales. Edit more cloud

in eastern outbreaks of friends of

1:03:181:03:24

the Northern Isles, with highs of

seven Celsius. It will be breezy in

1:03:241:03:28

the south. Staying breezy overnight,

with increasing amount of cloud and

1:03:281:03:32

a few wintry showers moving in from

the east. They will be drier in the

1:03:321:03:37

north-west, with clearer skies which

allow temperatures to fall away. We

1:03:371:03:44

are looking at a cold start to the

day tomorrow and a frosty one. A few

1:03:441:03:48

patches of i again. A few showers in

the East.

1:03:481:03:53

patches of i again. A few showers in

the East.

1:03:531:03:55

Hello, it's 10 o'clock,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

1:03:551:03:59

Highly addictive fixed odds betting

terminals should have their maximum

1:03:591:04:02

stake reduced from £100

to £30 or less - according

1:04:021:04:04

to the Gambling Commission.

1:04:041:04:05

But gambling addicts have

told this programme even

1:04:051:04:07

more needs to be done.

1:04:071:04:13

Reducing the stake on one

form of gambling is not

1:04:131:04:16

going to help a problem gambler.

1:04:161:04:17

I mean, if it does happen,

what happens after to the gambling

1:04:171:04:20

addict if it gets reduced to £2?

1:04:201:04:22

Are they still gambling?

1:04:221:04:30

Do get in touch with your experience

of using this terminals.

1:04:311:04:35

Also on the programme -

she went to Syria to fight

1:04:351:04:37

against Islamic State.

1:04:371:04:38

British woman Anna Campbell

has died, fighting

1:04:381:04:40

alongside Kurdish forces.

1:04:401:04:41

I said, you know,

you could be killed.

1:04:411:04:43

And she said, I know, Dad.

1:04:431:04:44

There's nothing I can do to reassure

you about that, but I've got to do

1:04:441:04:48

this.

1:04:481:04:53

We'll hear more from Anna's dad

and from one of her friends

1:04:531:04:56

later in the programme.

1:04:561:04:57

And Ant McPartlin has been arrested

on suspicion of drink

1:04:571:04:59

driving after his car crashed

into two others yesterday.

1:04:591:05:01

We'll bring you the story.

1:05:011:05:09

Let's bring you the latest news so

far today.

1:05:151:05:19

The Gambling Commission has

recommended that the maximum stake

1:05:191:05:21

for fixed-odds betting terminals

should be reduced from £100

1:05:211:05:23

to £30, or £2 in the case

1:05:231:05:25

of slot machines.

1:05:251:05:26

It says cutting the stake alone

won't cure problem gambling and has

1:05:261:05:29

recommended what it calls

a "comprehensive package of other

1:05:291:05:31

measures to protect consumers".

1:05:311:05:32

The industry had said a blanket

reduction to two pounds

1:05:321:05:35

would cost thousands of jobs.

1:05:351:05:38

We are also proposing

that there should be

1:05:381:05:40

a form of tracked play

1:05:401:05:41

so that players themselves can have

access to good quality data on their

1:05:411:05:45

play behaviour, how

much they've lost

1:05:451:05:46

and importantly, that gambling

companies then have no excuse not to

1:05:461:05:48

spot problem gambling and act on it.

1:05:481:05:56

Official results from Russia show

President Putin has been re-elected

1:05:581:06:01

with more than 76% of the vote. He

told a victory rally that Russia

1:06:011:06:06

must maintain unity following his

landslide win, but CCTV footage from

1:06:061:06:10

a number of polling stations appears

to show election officials stuffing

1:06:101:06:13

boxes with ballot papers.

1:06:131:06:24

International chemical weapons

experts are due to arrive

1:06:251:06:27

in the UK later today to test

the nerve agent used to poison

1:06:271:06:30

former Russian spy Sergei Skripal

and his daughter Yulia.

1:06:301:06:32

President Putin says

claims his country was behind

1:06:321:06:34

the attack are "nonsense",

but Boris Johnson claims Russia has

1:06:341:06:36

been stockpiling Novichok for years.

1:06:361:06:38

Test results could be seen

in around two weeks' time.

1:06:381:06:40

The television presenter

Ant McPartlin has been arrested

1:06:401:06:42

on suspicion of drink driving.

1:06:421:06:43

Police say they were called

to reports of a collision involving

1:06:431:06:47

three cars in south-west

London yesterday afternoon.

1:06:471:06:49

A child passenger in one of them was

taken to hospital as a precaution.

1:06:491:06:52

In a statement, Scotland Yard said

a 42-year-old man was arrested

1:06:521:06:55

at the scene after failing

a breathalyser test.

1:06:551:07:01

A British woman has been killed in

northern Syria fighting alongside

1:07:011:07:04

Kurdish forces. It is understood

that and I Campbell, who was 26 and

1:07:041:07:08

from Lewisham East Sussex, died in

the town of Afrin, which had been

1:07:081:07:12

the target of a Turkish offensive.

Her father has told the BBC she was

1:07:121:07:17

idealistic and knew she was putting

her life at risk.

1:07:171:07:19

That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10.30.

1:07:191:07:24

Here's some sport now.

1:07:241:07:27

Rory McIlroy is the new favourite

for the Masters after picking

1:07:271:07:30

up his first tournament win

since September 2016.

1:07:301:07:32

He's up

to seven in the world

1:07:321:07:34

as well after winning

1:07:341:07:35

the Arnold Palmer Invitational

in Florida by three shots.

1:07:351:07:43

A final round included five birdies

in the first six holes.

I gave

1:07:441:07:53

myself chances with every hole and

executed shots the way I wanted to

1:07:531:07:57

when I need to. 64 in those

conditions out there, with it being

1:07:571:08:02

firm and fast, to get into the

winner's circle again feels good.

1:08:021:08:10

The blues bounced back from their

Champions League exit earlier in the

1:08:141:08:18

week and with them being way off the

pace in the Premier League, the FA

1:08:181:08:21

Cup is their only real chance for a

trophy this season. But they had to

1:08:211:08:24

work for it against Leicester, Pedro

getting the winner after extra time.

1:08:241:08:29

2-1 was the final score and this is

Chelsea's tenth FA Cup semifinal in

1:08:291:08:36

18 years. Chelsea will play

Southampton, while Tottenham will

1:08:361:08:39

face Manchester United at their home

ground at Wembley, although Spurs

1:08:391:08:42

will be in the away dressing room.

The draw for the women's FA Cup was

1:08:421:08:49

also made an Radio 5 Live this

morning. Holders Manchester City

1:08:491:08:53

will play Chelsea if they can

overcome Sunderland. The other semi

1:08:531:08:57

sees Durham or Everton face Arsenal

or Charlton. Both semis will be

1:08:571:09:01

shown live on the BBC.

Roger Federer heaped praise on Juan

1:09:011:09:06

Martin del Potro after he was beaten

to the first time in 18 matches. Del

1:09:061:09:10

Potro saved three match points as he

prevailed in the final of the Indian

1:09:101:09:15

Wells Masters. World number one

Federer said Del Potro deserved the

1:09:151:09:20

win and congratulated him on a

fantastic tournament. Now, have a

1:09:201:09:26

look at this. This is Andy Murray

getting his hotel room broken into

1:09:261:09:33

by the comedian Michael McIntyre.

It's not as sinister as it sounds.

1:09:331:09:36

This is all in aid of Sport Relief.

And the!

1:09:361:09:47

And the! -- and the!

BLEEP.

To the

Sport Relief midnight game show,

1:09:471:09:54

with Sir Andy Murray. Morning, Andy!

There was Andy Murray thinking he

1:09:541:10:05

was away from the limelight for a

little bit. Not according to Michael

1:10:051:10:09

McIntyre. Not only has he been woken

up in the middle of the night, he

1:10:091:10:12

then has to answer quiz questions. I

think he handles it pretty well.

1:10:121:10:19

There are a few seconds at the

beginning where you think, he is in

1:10:191:10:23

the foulest mood! But he soon

realises and put the smile on

1:10:231:10:27

because he is a pro.

Exactly, he

handled it very well.

1:10:271:10:33

Let's bring you more

on the news that one

1:10:331:10:36

half of Ant'n'Dec -

Ant McPartlin - has been arrested

1:10:361:10:38

on suspicion of drink-driving

after a collision involving three

1:10:381:10:40

vehicles in south-west London.

1:10:401:10:45

This was him with Declan the night

before, hosting Saturday Night

1:10:451:10:49

Takeaway on ITV.

You are a good

crowd tonight! Us with us is our

1:10:491:10:58

guest, Emma Bunton! Hiya, Emma! It's

great to have you here.

I was so

1:10:581:11:07

excited to be here! I love the show.

But from our point of view, to have

1:11:071:11:13

a real-life Spice Girl...

1:11:131:11:16

We're joined now by entertainment

1:11:161:11:17

journalist Caroline Frost.

1:11:171:11:21

That clip was Saturday evening. By

Sunday afternoon yesterday, about

1:11:211:11:26

four o'clock, Ant was reportedly

stopped. Witnesses heard a huge

1:11:261:11:29

crash occur on the lower Richmond

road, just south of the Thames, West

1:11:291:11:34

London. By all reports, on the way

back from the park after walking his

1:11:341:11:38

dogs with his mother, he lost

control with his Mini, went on to

1:11:381:11:41

the wrong side of the road, crashed

into an oncoming Mini and another

1:11:411:11:45

car and the car eventually spun to a

halt. It could have been much worse.

1:11:451:11:50

Mercifully, one small child was

taken to hospital, which is

1:11:501:11:54

obviously serious, but no one else

was hurt. There were huge amounts of

1:11:541:11:58

witnesses crowding around the scene

who saw a shocked Ant McPartlin, who

1:11:581:12:03

was taken away by police and returns

to his home this morning at around

1:12:031:12:07

3am.

He has been in the media

because he has had much documented

1:12:071:12:13

issues with prescription painkiller

addiction.

The cliche is a

1:12:131:12:19

roller-coaster year, but for once it

is adequate to the description,

1:12:191:12:22

because last year it was all going

well for them. It has been going

1:12:221:12:25

well for them for years, and though

he had this leg injury and became

1:12:251:12:29

addicted to painkillers. He himself

asked for help. He

1:12:291:12:38

asked for help. He texted Dec,

saying he needed help. He came back

1:12:381:12:42

and there was a huge reception for

him, with awards. They are today's

1:12:421:12:48

finalist, and now this. So we have

again seen a huge dip in his

1:12:481:12:52

fortunes.

And he has separated from

his wife.

Yes. The pair of them live

1:12:521:12:57

almost next to each other. They both

have lovely wives and families. You

1:12:571:13:01

will see them around in West London

by the river on a Sunday, and in the

1:13:011:13:06

space of a few months, it feels like

so many things have changed. The

1:13:061:13:09

stability of his marriage is no

longer in his life. He has had this

1:13:091:13:13

terrible injury that he is still

trying to adjust to, and now this.

1:13:131:13:17

So a huge amount of change. Although

as you saw on Saturday night, it is

1:13:171:13:22

still very glossy and popular.

Thank

you.

1:13:221:13:26

A British woman has been killed

in northern Syria fighting

1:13:261:13:30

alongside Kurdish forces.

1:13:301:13:34

It's understood that Anna Campbell -

who was 26 and from

1:13:341:13:37

Lewes in East Sussex -

died in the town of Afrin,

1:13:371:13:39

which has been the target

of a Turkish offensive.

1:13:391:13:42

Her father Dirk Campbell

said his daughter was "very

1:13:421:13:44

idealistic" and "determined".

1:13:441:13:50

She came to see me in May last

year, and she told me

1:13:501:13:53

she was going to go to Syria.

1:13:531:13:54

She was quite adamant about it.

1:13:541:14:00

I said "You could be killed.

And she said "I know, Dad.

1:14:001:14:08

"There's nothing I can do

to reassure you about that

1:14:091:14:11

but I've got do this".

1:14:111:14:14

I didn't foresee that it

would work out very well.

1:14:141:14:16

I knew that she was intentionally

risking her life, as a lot

1:14:161:14:22

of families in this country have

also undergone this awful worry,

1:14:221:14:28

trauma, shock of the final knew

to be told that their child has been

1:14:281:14:34

trauma, shock of the final news

to be told that their child has been

1:14:341:14:38

killed fighting for freedom,

for equality, for representation,

1:14:381:14:40

for a better world.

1:14:401:14:48

We can speak now to Macer Gifford,

which is not his real name.

1:14:511:14:54

He was a close friend

of Anna Campbell, and last

1:14:541:14:57

saw her in May 2017.

1:14:571:14:58

Macer gave up a career in finance

and flew to Syria three years ago

1:14:581:15:01

to fight with Kurdish forces

against the IS group.

1:15:011:15:03

He came back from Raqqa last year.

1:15:031:15:09

And he has been on our programme to

tell you about that. How do you

1:15:101:15:14

react to news that your friend has

lost her life question mark with

1:15:141:15:19

shock and sadness.

And you are very

well, I came in with her in May. She

1:15:191:15:25

was full of life, full of

enthusiasm. She was so desperate to

1:15:251:15:30

join the Y P J. She had heard all

about them, their resistance against

1:15:301:15:35

the Islamic State, the things they

were doing for the communities they

1:15:351:15:38

were liberating. So she was inspired

and she had come a long way to be in

1:15:381:15:44

Syria in support of local people. So

I'm just shocked as someone who met

1:15:441:15:50

her and saw were so full of life to

hear that she has passed away.

But

1:15:501:15:55

of course that is the risk if you go

out to Syria to fight.

Absolutely.

1:15:551:15:59

We are all aware of the risks,

hundreds of international is from

1:15:591:16:04

the UK and America and all across

the world have gone to fight and

1:16:041:16:07

seven British men have fought and

died in Syria alongside the Kurdish

1:16:071:16:11

people. In defence of their rights

and their liberty against Islamic

1:16:111:16:17

State for that she's the first

female fighter to die on the front

1:16:171:16:20

line. So I hope this draws attention

to what is going on on the ground

1:16:201:16:28

that there are people fighting for

democracy, equality and freedom that

1:16:281:16:30

belief in secular, democratic values

and international is across the

1:16:301:16:36

world are at their supporting them.

So there are good people in Syria,

1:16:361:16:39

we just need to find out who they

are.

The Home Office warns that

1:16:391:16:43

anyone joining the Syrian conflict

on whatever side can be prosecuted

1:16:431:16:46

for crimes committed abroad but

although it did not happen to you so

1:16:461:16:52

I wonder how you take the morning.

That is right, anyone who goes to

1:16:521:16:57

Syria and joins whatever group, they

are responsible for their actions.

1:16:571:17:04

And I, myself and hundreds of other

Brits who have gone out to fight

1:17:041:17:08

against Isis went because we believe

in democracy and believe in

1:17:081:17:11

representative democracy and

equality and freedom. We went there

1:17:111:17:14

knowing that if we did anything

inappropriate or wrong in the

1:17:141:17:18

country that we were liable for

prosecution in return. So I'm very

1:17:181:17:22

supportive of that.

Sorry to

interrupt, it is not about whether

1:17:221:17:26

you do something wrong in the

country but just the fact of going

1:17:261:17:30

to join the conflict, that means

that you are liable to potential

1:17:301:17:32

prosecution.

Potentially, there is

no law saying that fighting abroad

1:17:321:17:37

is illegal, it really is what you

get up to what you fight for when

1:17:371:17:41

you're are there. And at the end of

the day and fought for the local

1:17:411:17:45

people, for democracy. And they're

not listed as a terrorist group by

1:17:451:17:52

the way by any party. They are also

supported in fact by the UK and

1:17:521:17:56

America. Britain was fighting in

support of the group in Iraq. And

1:17:561:18:08

what is different of course is that

she went out to fight against

1:18:081:18:12

Islamic State. In the past few

months Turkey has invaded and that

1:18:121:18:14

is the big problem.

Turkey considers

the group that she joined as an arm

1:18:141:18:22

of the PKK, a terrorist organisation

and hence the bombardment in this

1:18:221:18:26

part of Syria.

And that is what's so

wrong, they're not listed as a

1:18:261:18:31

terrorist group, not linked with the

PKK. The UK and America has said

1:18:311:18:37

that clearly. Turkey at the end of

the day is confusing what is going

1:18:371:18:41

on in Syria with its own internal

problems. Turkey is falling to bits

1:18:411:18:46

politically, it is arresting

journalists and academics. They've

1:18:461:18:48

long campaign to get rid of Assad,

long supported jihadists groups in

1:18:481:18:52

Syria. Many of the units they had

taken from the Kurdish people, has

1:18:521:18:58

already talks of beheading, looting,

hundreds of civilians have died. And

1:18:581:19:03

what we have done is to stop the

fight against Islamic State and

1:19:031:19:08

opened up a whole new front and that

is making the Civil War even more

1:19:081:19:13

bloody and brutal and a lot more

complex to solve.

Thank you very

1:19:131:19:16

much for talking to us.

1:19:161:19:21

The authorities here have advised

that becoming involved with any

1:19:211:19:23

armed group could lead

to arrest and prosecution.

1:19:231:19:31

Some e-mails from you about fixed

odds betting terminals. It has been

1:19:321:19:39

suggested that the maximum stake

should be reduced from £100 to £30

1:19:391:19:45

left. This person says they've

worked in betting shops were 20

1:19:451:19:49

years and have seen the change in

the industry. All the betting firms

1:19:491:19:53

want to remote FOBTs. The training

that the staff had is pathetic,

1:19:531:19:58

we're told that we have no duty of

care and should not interact with

1:19:581:20:02

customers if they show signs

aggression. I have worked in busy

1:20:021:20:07

betting shops that are understaffed

and we are too busy with

1:20:071:20:11

over-the-counter business to monitor

what is going on with FOBTs. Another

1:20:111:20:14

says my son has lost thousands of

pounds playing in bookies and

1:20:141:20:19

believe me no staff member

intervenes. They even let people who

1:20:191:20:22

are drunk gamble thousands of pounds

away. The government to decide

1:20:221:20:26

whether they want to be responsible

rather than using this as an

1:20:261:20:30

indirect form of taxing the

vulnerable poor. And another serving

1:20:301:20:36

less officer who wants to remain

anonymous, in the borough I work in

1:20:361:20:41

police are called to betting shops

everyday more than twice a day to

1:20:411:20:44

drunk customers refusing to leave or

damaging the premises. Because

1:20:441:20:46

they've money. These shops are

licensed premises and should be

1:20:461:20:51

regulated more by the government to

stop people who are drunk gambling.

1:20:511:20:55

They also make thousands of pounds

per day social should be made to

1:20:551:20:59

provide security on the door to stop

drunk people going in and also

1:20:591:21:02

remove people causing disturbance

and stop people who are banned from

1:21:021:21:08

entering. Thank you very much for

those comments.

1:21:081:21:13

A number of new victims of child

sexual exploitation in Telford have

1:21:131:21:16

come forward over the last week.

1:21:161:21:18

Conservative MP Lucy Allan said

she had been "inundated"

1:21:181:21:22

with reports since speaking

about the issue in Parliament.

1:21:221:21:25

On

this programme last week we heard

1:21:251:21:27

how abuse in the town could be

of a greater scale than any

1:21:271:21:30

other seen in the UK.

1:21:301:21:32

One victim - Holly -

told us she'd been abused

1:21:321:21:35

from the age of 14.

1:21:351:21:41

I was in cars that were stopped

and searched by the police.

1:21:411:21:44

With older men.

1:21:441:21:46

And it was never questioned why

I was in there or who I was, my name

1:21:461:21:50

was never asked.

1:21:501:21:51

And I just think if they had

been more proactive at

1:21:511:21:54

points like that, things

could have changed earlier.

1:21:541:22:02

I was also going to the doctor

and the youth sexual

1:22:021:22:05

health clinic a couple of times

a week for about three years,

1:22:051:22:09

getting the morning after pill.

1:22:091:22:12

How many times do

you think you took the

1:22:121:22:14

morning after pill?

1:22:141:22:15

I could not even

estimate how many times.

1:22:151:22:17

Dozens, hundreds?

1:22:171:22:18

You were going twice a week for it?

1:22:181:22:20

Yes, twice a week.

1:22:201:22:21

Over three years?

1:22:211:22:22

Yes.

1:22:221:22:23

And no one there raised the alarm?

1:22:231:22:25

No.

1:22:251:22:26

Nothing.

1:22:261:22:27

Did they ask you why

you kept coming back?

1:22:271:22:29

No, nobody asked any questions.

1:22:291:22:32

And I had two abortions.

1:22:321:22:35

And also again no questions were

asked as to what was going on in my

1:22:351:22:39

life.

1:22:391:22:40

I feel if someone had shown that

interest, asked me just a few

1:22:401:22:43

questions, it may have

made me speak out.

1:22:431:22:46

At least just say there is something

not quite right going on

1:22:461:22:49

and I'm not comfortable.

1:22:491:22:52

But no, nothing was ever said.

1:22:521:22:58

Assistant Chief Constable Martin

Evans said was pleased that a "small

1:22:581:23:01

number of victims" have had

the confidence to come forward

1:23:011:23:05

and they were now being given

appropriate support.

1:23:051:23:07

He confirmed

1:23:071:23:09

that since 2016 the dedicated CSE

team in Telford has arrested 56

1:23:091:23:12

people, resulting in 29 charges,

with a number of these

1:23:121:23:15

investigations still ongoing.

1:23:151:23:19

Tackling child sexual exploitation

is the number one priority for

1:23:191:23:22

police in Telford.

1:23:221:23:25

We have specialist

officers and resources in

1:23:251:23:28

place tackling this type

of offending and we are committed to

1:23:281:23:34

using our resources and technology

to pursue anyone who sexual offence

1:23:341:23:38

against children.

1:23:381:23:40

Whether that offending

took place today, last

1:23:401:23:42

week, or years ago.

1:23:421:23:50

Well Telford Council are calling on

the government to launch a statutory

1:23:571:24:02

enquiry.

1:24:021:24:03

We can speak to Councillor Nicola

Lowery, Conservative Councillor

1:24:031:24:05

for Telford and Wrekin,

who along with four other

1:24:051:24:08

councillors has requested

an Extraordinary General Meeting

1:24:081:24:09

calling on the Labour-run council

to commission an independent

1:24:091:24:11

inquiry into child sexual

exploitation in Telford.

1:24:111:24:13

And Siobhan Crawford,

Associate Solicitor at

1:24:131:24:15

Bolt Burdon Kemp, which specialises

in child sexual exploitation claims

1:24:151:24:17

and who has been speaking to some

of the Telford victims.

1:24:171:24:20

You would expect more victims to

come forward customer that has been

1:24:201:24:25

happening, many survivors have been

contacting their MP and I hope many

1:24:251:24:28

contact the police.

So that they

think about the fact that they do

1:24:281:24:31

not think this is any different from

any other town in the country for

1:24:311:24:35

top as simply because of the media

coverage and then the Conservative

1:24:351:24:39

MP speaking in parliament? I think

that is a big reason why people are

1:24:391:24:42

coming forward now. I think what has

come out from the Expose in the

1:24:421:24:46

media is that is it's clear they

were trying to disclose to people.

1:24:461:24:51

Holly last week going to get the

morning after pill twice a week. Now

1:24:511:24:56

one believe them but now they feel

the strength to speak out because

1:24:561:25:00

they will be believed and not

thought of as liars.

The

1:25:001:25:04

Conservative councillor for Telford

is here. And you have requested an

1:25:041:25:11

extraordinary general meeting

calling on the Labour run council to

1:25:111:25:14

commission an independent enquiry

into child sexual exploitation in

1:25:141:25:17

Telford. I do think it has not

happened so far.

Thus far we have

1:25:171:25:22

proposed and we would like the

council to commission an independent

1:25:221:25:26

enquiry to be led and commissioned

by the council. But the council has

1:25:261:25:31

set at the moment, they're called

for a statutory enquiry for the

1:25:311:25:34

government has made it clear if the

council feels an enquiry is

1:25:341:25:37

necessary that they commission and

proceed and commit to that

1:25:371:25:40

themselves.

What is the difference

if it is commissioned by the local

1:25:401:25:46

council or a statutory enquiry?

Main

difference would be that the council

1:25:461:25:50

would not have the statutory powers

to compel witnesses to come forward

1:25:501:25:55

to give evidence but we feel from

all the agencies that have come

1:25:551:25:59

forward they are willing to

cooperate certainly as part of a

1:25:591:26:02

wider enquiry. So we feel it is

necessary at the moment that the

1:26:021:26:05

council commit to the enquiry. We've

been calling for this since 2016. So

1:26:051:26:13

we just feel it is necessary that we

get that commitment from the council

1:26:131:26:17

and I think all councils are united

helpfully on making sure this public

1:26:171:26:21

enquiry can proceed at the earliest

opportunity.

And which would better

1:26:211:26:26

serve the survivors?

We just feel

and certainly I feel the council

1:26:261:26:33

commissioned enquiry will enable the

council to set the terms of

1:26:331:26:36

reference and then they would

independently appoint a chair or

1:26:361:26:40

judge and lead the enquiry further

the government has been clear from

1:26:401:26:44

the beginning that is council feel

there still suspicion of abuse

1:26:441:26:53

taking place that they should lead

on this and make sure that victims

1:26:531:26:55

have their voices heard at this

meeting. And as we've heard from the

1:26:551:27:00

sports coming through from national

media, we do not feel at this moment

1:27:001:27:04

that we fully understand the extent

of sexual abuse in Telford. And that

1:27:041:27:09

is why we have called for this. It

has been now over a week since this

1:27:091:27:12

recent information has come forward

on the reporting and we would like

1:27:121:27:17

to think that all councillors now

would agree to proceed with this at

1:27:171:27:21

the earliest opportunity.

You think

it is still going on in Telford? We

1:27:211:27:24

do.

Based on what? Mainly from

victims that we have heard coming

1:27:241:27:30

forward in recent weeks. We have

heard as well whilst there was

1:27:301:27:35

recognition from the police that it

is still going on in Telford and

1:27:351:27:39

from the council, we just feel those

uncovered evidence till coming

1:27:391:27:42

forward and we would like to make

sure as part of a wider havoc and

1:27:421:27:46

worried that some of the evidence

initially presented for scrutiny

1:27:461:27:50

right at the start but potentially

it was not given that scrutiny if

1:27:501:27:53

needed. That it comes forward as

part of a much wider public enquiry

1:27:531:27:58

to make sure those victims are heard

as part of this wider enquiry.

What

1:27:581:28:02

did you think of the response of

your police force last week when it

1:28:021:28:06

was initially suggested that figure

is up to 1000 big where

1:28:061:28:10

sensationalised?

I think it is

bringing about a wider discussion

1:28:101:28:15

and also I think the daily Mirror

have investigated this quite

1:28:151:28:19

thoroughly and they certainly feel

there is a validity behind some of

1:28:191:28:23

the reporting they have produced. In

Telford I believe in 2015 there was

1:28:231:28:30

250 incidents of sexual offences.

And in the recent information they

1:28:301:28:34

uncovered, over 700 contacts.

Do you

think that the Shropshire force are

1:28:341:28:39

in denial about the scale?

I would

not say denial but certainly what we

1:28:391:28:44

found as part of the rostrum

enquiry, police did not understand

1:28:441:28:47

the scale of what was taking place.

And we have felt it was necessary to

1:28:471:28:56

make sure this enquiry proceeds of

the earliest possible opportunity to

1:28:561:28:59

make sure that those victims are

heard. The voices of these victims,

1:28:591:29:06

must be heard. They still feel

vulnerable locally in Telford and it

1:29:061:29:11

is that essential that they are

given a voice as part of this

1:29:111:29:14

enquiry.

As a solicitor specialising

in this area, what needs to happen

1:29:141:29:22

customer they're absolutely needs to

be an enquiry but not to piggyback

1:29:221:29:24

on the National enquiry because I

think that will mean survivors will

1:29:241:29:30

be waiting years for answers as to

why they have been down.

I think the

1:29:301:29:33

enquiry needs to be put in place

quickly but with proper terms of

1:29:331:29:37

reference to make sure that they do

obtain the answers they need as

1:29:371:29:40

survivors.

Thank you both.

1:29:401:29:45

Still to come:

1:29:451:29:49

We will be looking at how asylum

seekers are housed to the country

1:29:491:29:55

back private companies on government

contracts. In 72 English football

1:29:551:29:59

clubs are getting together to show

you some of the work they do in the

1:29:591:30:02

community. We hear from some of

those who have benefited.

1:30:021:30:09

Time for the latest

news - here's Joanna.

1:30:091:30:15

The Gambling Commission has

recommended that the maximum stake

1:30:151:30:17

for fixed-odds betting terminals

should be reduced from £100 to £30,

1:30:171:30:20

or £2 in the case of slot machines.

1:30:201:30:22

The gambling industry had feared

a blanket reduction to £2 and warned

1:30:221:30:25

such a move would cost

thousands of jobs.

1:30:251:30:27

The Gambling Commission has also

recommended what it calls

1:30:271:30:29

a "comprehensive package of other

measures to protect consumers".

1:30:291:30:37

Official results from Russia show

President Putin has been re-elected

1:30:371:30:40

with more than 76% of the vote. He

told a victory rally that Russia

1:30:401:30:44

must maintain unity following his

landslide win, but CCTV footage from

1:30:441:30:49

a number of polling stations appears

to show election officials stuffing

1:30:491:30:52

boxes with ballot papers.

International chemical weapons

1:30:521:30:58

experts have arrived in the UK to

test the nerve agent used to poison

1:30:581:31:01

the former spy Sergei Skripal and

his daughter. President Putin says

1:31:011:31:07

claims that Russia was behind the

attacks are nonsense, but Boris

1:31:071:31:13

Johnson says Russia has been

stockpiling Novichok for years.

1:31:131:31:16

The television presenter

Ant McPartlin has been arrested

1:31:161:31:18

on suspicion of drink driving.

1:31:181:31:19

Police say they were called

to reports of a collision involving

1:31:191:31:22

three cars in south-west

London yesterday afternoon.

1:31:221:31:24

A child passenger in one of them was

taken to hospital as a precaution.

1:31:241:31:27

In a statement, Scotland Yard said

a 42 year-old man was arrested

1:31:271:31:31

at the scene after failing

a breathalyser test.

1:31:311:31:32

A British woman has been

killed in northern Syria,

1:31:321:31:34

fighting alongside Kurdish forces.

1:31:341:31:38

It's understood that Anna Campbell -

who was 26 and from

1:31:381:31:41

Lewes in East Sussex -

died in the town of Afrin ,

1:31:411:31:44

which has been the target

of a Turkish offensive.

1:31:441:31:46

Her father has told the BBC

she was idealistic, and knew

1:31:461:31:48

she was putting her life at risk.

1:31:481:31:50

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

1:31:501:31:55

Here's some sport now.

1:31:551:31:58

Rory is back.

1:31:581:32:01

McIlroy wins his first

tournament for 18 months

1:32:011:32:03

at the Arnold Palmer Invitational.

1:32:031:32:09

The Northern Irishman sunk five

birdies in the final six holes

1:32:091:32:12

to finish on 18 under par,

three shots ahead of the field.

1:32:121:32:20

World number one Roger Federer's

winning run has come to an end,

1:32:211:32:24

after losing the final

of Indian Wells to

1:32:241:32:26

Juan Martin del Potro.

1:32:261:32:31

The Argentine is the first player

to beat Federer in 18 matches.

1:32:311:32:34

Former England winger Josh Charnley

is returning to Rugby League

1:32:341:32:36

with immediate effect.

1:32:361:32:37

He spent less than two

years with Sale Sharks

1:32:371:32:40

in Union and has signed

for Warrington Wolves.

1:32:401:32:42

And England

bowler Stuart Broad tells the BBC

1:32:421:32:44

that he has no plans to retire

1:32:441:32:46

from international

cricket any time soon.

1:32:461:32:47

England get their Test match

against New Zealand under

1:32:471:32:49

way in the early hours

of Thursday morning.

1:32:491:32:52

On this programme last year,

21-year-old James Casling

1:32:521:32:56

shared his story with you of how

playing football had given him

1:32:561:32:59

a reason to live after attempting

to take his own life several times.

1:32:591:33:06

My story started three weeks

after my 18th birthday,

1:33:061:33:08

when I was admitted

to the Park Royal Centre

1:33:081:33:10

for mental health.

1:33:101:33:18

I had become so ill that for me,

life wasn't worth living.

1:33:201:33:23

At 18, I was ready to die and had

made many attempts on my own life.

1:33:231:33:27

If I had carried on that path,

I would not be here today.

1:33:271:33:30

Something had to change.

1:33:301:33:31

I had to stop destroying myself

and actually build myself up again.

1:33:311:33:36

And that's when football and QPR

and the Community Trust

1:33:361:33:38

came and saved my life.

1:33:381:33:39

One morning on the ward, Tom,

the occupational therapist,

1:33:391:33:41

woke me up and asked if I wanted

to play football.

1:33:411:33:44

And of course, I said yes.

1:33:441:33:46

I did not really expect

much at first, but I

1:33:461:33:48

realised I had no boots.

1:33:481:33:49

So I rang my mum and asked

if she could get me some.

1:33:491:33:52

Within hours, she had gone out

and bought me a pair.

1:33:521:33:56

At the time, I did not realise

that if my mum did not

1:33:561:33:59

buy me those boots, things

might never have changed

1:33:591:34:01

and I might have lost my life

to my mental illness.

1:34:011:34:09

All right, take your time.

1:34:091:34:17

You've got all the time

in the world.

1:34:181:34:22

So every week I attended training

and it gave me hope for the future,

1:34:221:34:25

so I could be someone my family

and friends could be proud of.

1:34:251:34:28

To me it was not just

football, it was my life.

1:34:281:34:32

It had given me stuff to build

on instead of destroying.

1:34:321:34:40

I have become stronger and have

been beating my demons.

1:34:421:34:46

Every week I put in so much effort

that I could not walk

1:34:461:34:49

for a few days afterwards.

1:34:491:34:50

It changed me into a better man

and it made me want to stay alive

1:34:501:34:54

so my mum and brothers

would not have to bury me.

1:34:541:34:57

Instead, they could say to everyone

my son and brother plays for QPR.

1:34:571:35:02

I have done some amazing

things with QPR.

1:35:021:35:10

My biggest achievement would be that

in my first three seasons

1:35:101:35:15

at the club, I was top goal-scorer.

1:35:151:35:20

Every time I put a kit on,

I was not this little boy any more,

1:35:201:35:24

I was James, I was

free from my demons.

1:35:241:35:26

Unfortunately, others

are not so lucky.

1:35:261:35:31

On May 20th 2010, I lost

my father to suicide

1:35:311:35:33

on my 15th birthday.

1:35:331:35:34

But I have taken the good

from the bad and met amazing people,

1:35:341:35:40

travelled to places

to play football.

1:35:401:35:43

I get to meet people

from other places.

1:35:431:35:45

For a young boy like me,

losing my dad left me

1:35:451:35:47

confused in this big world.

1:35:471:35:48

I did not have any

sense of direction.

1:35:481:35:50

My coaches helped me find my way.

1:35:501:35:53

They stood in my corner.

1:35:531:35:56

The support I had

from them was amazing.

1:35:561:36:02

I'm just so thankful

they became my role models.

1:36:021:36:04

They showed me I'm worth something.

1:36:041:36:05

I'm lucky enough to know them.

1:36:051:36:07

We can never stop people

getting mentally unwell,

1:36:071:36:10

but we can help them

recover with the use of football.

1:36:101:36:12

It worked for me and many

others that I have played

1:36:121:36:17

for and against and play with.

1:36:171:36:19

Football saved my life.

1:36:191:36:25

Well done. That was James Kaz Ling

last year. He played for QPR's

1:36:251:36:35

community mental health team. He is

doing well.

1:36:351:36:39

72 English Football League clubs

will come together tomorrow

1:36:391:36:42

for a day of action to highlight

the work they do to help

1:36:421:36:45

change the lives of young

people for the better.

1:36:451:36:47

Clubs across the country are holding

special events to showcase the work

1:36:471:36:50

they do to tackle mental health,

disabilities and obesity

1:36:501:36:52

among the young people

in their communities

1:36:521:36:54

through education,

health and participation.

1:36:541:36:56

Let's speak now to some of them now:

Mike Evans who is the chief exec

1:36:561:37:04

Let's speak now to some of them now:

1:37:091:37:12

Paul Davies, who takes part

in the Blackburn Rovers social

1:37:121:37:15

inclusion football programme.

1:37:151:37:16

He suffered a serious electric shock

in his teens which led to him trying

1:37:161:37:19

to take his own life.

1:37:191:37:24

Marek Hyde is part of Derby County's

Active Choices programme.

1:37:241:37:26

He has in the past had

substance addiction,

1:37:261:37:29

been homeless and served

time in prison.

1:37:291:37:32

Mike Evans is the chief exec

1:37:321:37:35

of the EFL Trust, and Mel Wilkinson

from Bristol City's Youth Council,

1:37:351:37:43

Paul, what impact did your accident

have on you?

Did change my life. I

1:37:441:37:52

really struggled.

It changed your

life to your detriment.

Yeah, I

1:37:521:37:56

tried to take my own life. And then

getting in with the football has

1:37:561:38:02

helped me.

In what way?

It has given

me structure. It has helped me

1:38:021:38:09

socialise. I was socially isolated,

so it has helped me meet people. The

1:38:091:38:13

seven years, I didn't play football.

I had a void in my life and getting

1:38:131:38:19

back into football has really

helped.

What would you say to

1:38:191:38:24

Blackburn Rovers for what they

provide?

They are fantastic. Anyone

1:38:241:38:29

that wants to play, I recommend it.

We have around 20 teams now in the

1:38:291:38:37

league with people from Derby County

that come down each month.

1:38:371:38:46

that come down each month.

Marek,

addiction to heroin at one point,

1:38:461:38:50

time in prison. You went to rehab

and then got involved in Derby

1:38:501:38:57

County's active choices programme.

What is that about?

It is basically

1:38:571:39:02

an opportunity to play sports, meet

other people, often who have had

1:39:021:39:09

similar issues to myself, and it has

given me loads of opportunities to

1:39:091:39:14

practise my sports, meet new people.

They even put me forward to do the

1:39:141:39:20

homeless World Cup, which is a

street football tournament. I went

1:39:201:39:22

all the way to Oslo. So these are

amazing opportunities I had never

1:39:221:39:26

dreams of.

And what is the link

between playing football, or any

1:39:261:39:31

sport, but it happens to be

football, and you staying away from

1:39:311:39:35

being attracted to class A drugs or

whatever?

For me, when I was

1:39:351:39:43

involved in drugs, I became immersed

in a lifestyle. I was stuck in a

1:39:431:39:50

certain group of people and when I

came out of that, I felt quite

1:39:501:39:53

isolated. Football has given me the

chance to meet other people and

1:39:531:39:57

build new bridges in the community.

And it is good for the soul. That is

1:39:571:40:04

what we are saying. Mel, tell us

about the Bristol youth Council.

So

1:40:041:40:10

in Bristol, we have a youth Council

which was formed two years ago.

1:40:101:40:13

There are eight members and we have

worked on four elements: women and

1:40:131:40:19

girls, disability... I have got to

think now! Social inclusion and

1:40:191:40:26

holiday camps.

And what does that

mean for women and girls in the

1:40:261:40:33

area?

It gives women and girls the

opportunity to play football. We

1:40:331:40:36

have a girls' session. We also have

a mums group CAP mumble. It gives

1:40:361:40:45

mums the opportunity to play

football.

I have never heard about

1:40:451:40:48

that!

Mumble is a session for

Munster, London play football.

1:40:481:40:56

Badly?

No, we have some brilliant

mums playing football.

And all of

1:40:561:41:02

that is about welcoming people in

and saying, whoever you are,

1:41:021:41:06

whatever your background, join us.

Exactly.

Mumble! I love hearing

1:41:061:41:15

about something new. Probably

everybody has heard of it except me,

1:41:151:41:19

so apologies. Mike, there is a lot

of good stuff going on and it is

1:41:191:41:23

stuff that you would not necessarily

associate with football, because

1:41:231:41:26

everybody has a preconceived idea,

although not necessarily the

1:41:261:41:32

divisions below the Premier League,

of money, people who don't care,

1:41:321:41:36

prima donnas etc.

Football is a real

engagement tool. That is the key to

1:41:361:41:41

all the projects these guys have

talked about. Football get people

1:41:411:41:44

through the door. Sometimes people

may have been turned down by more

1:41:441:41:50

traditional services, but football

is a more welcoming environment. And

1:41:501:41:53

once we have got young people

engaged, we can do all kinds of

1:41:531:41:56

different things with them. We work

around obesity, health and fitness.

1:41:561:42:03

We do a lot of education programmes.

And this is each of the 72 clubs?

1:42:031:42:09

Pretty much. There is variety, so

mumble is not happening in 72

1:42:091:42:15

places, that is particular to

Bristol City. But things like the

1:42:151:42:18

women's and girls football and

education programmes are pretty

1:42:181:42:23

standard among the 72 clubs. These

are things that are happening 360

1:42:231:42:27

Round days a year.

And why do you do

it?

I think football is something

1:42:271:42:35

back to the communities in which it

is based, and they are interested in

1:42:351:42:39

making them better economically and

socially and putting something back.

1:42:391:42:43

For two hours a week, the football

club is perhaps a distraction for

1:42:431:42:47

local people who are not engaged --

people who are not into football

1:42:471:42:55

might be annoyed with the trouble on

the dust, but for the week, there is

1:42:551:43:02

amazing work going on in the

community. So tomorrow's day of

1:43:021:43:06

action is about shining a light on

that work. It is going on all the

1:43:061:43:10

time, but for one day, we want each

club to focus on a project that they

1:43:101:43:13

deliver and bring some media

attention to it.

I have a lot of

1:43:131:43:19

messages here. Mostly about James,

the clip we played. Lizzie says,

1:43:191:43:26

wishing this young man love and

strength to keep going. I found his

1:43:261:43:31

speech moving. Donna says, I am in

bits and my heart breaks for these

1:43:311:43:35

young people. I am so grateful for

the work people like you are doing

1:43:351:43:40

to help. Stewart says, heartbreaking

to watch this young man's talk about

1:43:401:43:43

saving his life. If you want to

watch the full interview with James,

1:43:431:43:48

it is on Twitter and Facebook. So if

it wasn't for the programmes you are

1:43:481:43:54

involved in, what do you think you

would be doing, Marek?

I could be in

1:43:541:43:59

a totally different situation. I

have made a lot of friends through

1:43:591:44:01

football. I have found myself in a

community that cares, and I can give

1:44:011:44:08

back now that I have the

opportunity. I have learned from

1:44:081:44:12

others. It could be a lot worse.

Without things to fill my time, I

1:44:121:44:18

could slip back into addiction. If

you feel alone, that is something

1:44:181:44:26

that can impact on you.

And what

about you, Paul?

I don't think I

1:44:261:44:33

would be here. I have two young boys

as well, but I was that bad last

1:44:331:44:37

year, or housebound. At least now I

have a bit of structure.

Thank you

1:44:371:44:44

all. Thank you for introducing me to

Mumble! I will investigate further.

1:44:441:44:51

I recommend it!

1:44:511:44:59

I recommend it!

Thank you for your

comments about fixed odds betting

1:45:001:45:03

terminals. David says I have worked

in the betting industry is shop

1:45:031:45:08

manager and I have had gambling

problems myself. I had to leave the

1:45:081:45:13

job after losing my family because

of gambling problems. Staff in

1:45:131:45:18

bookmakers have no interest if

customers lose on the FOBTs, no

1:45:181:45:23

interest in helping and do what they

need to do. They think that the

1:45:231:45:29

employer thinks they should be

doing. I've also seen people making

1:45:291:45:33

false logs to say they've spoken to

people so it appears they are doing

1:45:331:45:38

what they meant to do. Some staff

encourage people to play happy to

1:45:381:45:42

get tips when they swim. Personally

I hate machines and think they are

1:45:421:45:47

fixed to make his profits. I think

there's no way that you can win on

1:45:471:45:51

them. I feel there should be banned

from Chris says my son has tried

1:45:511:45:58

self exclusion from betting shops

and it does not work. He has filled

1:45:581:46:03

in forms, provided his photo but not

one member of staff is ever

1:46:031:46:07

approached him. He wants to be

stopped, he says if someone just

1:46:071:46:11

came over to him he would come out

of what he calls his red fog. And

1:46:111:46:15

what about only being able to use

cash in the shops, so easy to people

1:46:151:46:20

using your card but cash could be a

visible deterrent. He is now

1:46:201:46:24

positive about the effect that

hypnotherapy has had on him.

1:46:241:46:29

Landlords are able to prevent people

drinking more and what is the

1:46:291:46:33

difference. Thank you for those

comments.

1:46:331:46:39

Every year, thousands of asylum

seekers enter the UK -

1:46:391:46:42

both legally and sometimes

illegally.

1:46:421:46:43

When they arrive, most are initially

housed in an asylum reception centre

1:46:431:46:46

while the Home Office decides

whether their case to stay

1:46:461:46:49

as a refugee in the UK is genuine.

1:46:491:46:53

One such Initial Accomodation Centre

which houses over 200 asylum seekers

1:46:531:46:57

has just opened in Derby -

despite opposition

1:46:571:47:00

from local residents.

1:47:001:47:03

Our reporter Sean Clare

bought you his full film

1:47:031:47:07

earlier in the programme -

here's a short extract:

1:47:071:47:10

Oh, by the way, you're

having 240 asylum seekers

1:47:101:47:12

on your doorstep and guess what,

you can't do anything about it.

1:47:121:47:20

They should have come out and spoken

to residents properly instead

1:47:281:47:30

of just inviting people to a council

meeting and saying this

1:47:301:47:33

is what we've put in place.

1:47:331:47:34

They could have sent out leaflets,

they could have knocked on doors.

1:47:341:47:37

They are a big organisation,

it is not that they are

1:47:371:47:40

short of a few quid.

1:47:401:47:41

They should have consulted people

and given that reassurance that,

1:47:411:47:44

you know what, we're

here to work with you.

1:47:441:47:46

And any concerns you've got,

come to us directly so we can answer

1:47:461:47:49

those concerns and you can get

on with life and the refugees

1:47:491:47:52

here can get on with life.

1:47:521:48:00

Because of the fear of this

place I wanted to get out

1:48:081:48:11

before it all started.

1:48:111:48:12

I wish I could turn the clock back.

1:48:121:48:14

I wish they'd given us

more information before

1:48:141:48:16

everyone panicked.

1:48:161:48:17

That is my main concern.

1:48:171:48:20

The information should have been put

out there so people like me,

1:48:201:48:23

people like myself, would have had

a better educated response.

1:48:231:48:28

I don't want this.

1:48:281:48:29

I haven't signed up for this.

1:48:291:48:31

I don't want this.

1:48:311:48:32

You were lucky, you moved.

1:48:321:48:33

If I could have moved I would have

been out of here straightaway.

1:48:331:48:36

I would not have batted

an eyelid about it.

1:48:361:48:39

I would have been gone.

1:48:391:48:40

Because it's not my cup of tea.

1:48:401:48:42

At the moment it's all nice,

it's all clouds with silver linings.

1:48:421:48:45

Until something drastic happens.

1:48:451:48:46

If your shop gets broken into,

and I came and talked

1:48:461:48:49

to you tomorrow, what do you think

of down here?

1:48:491:48:51

You'd be like, you know,

I don't want to talk about it.

1:48:511:48:58

We were told this was the building

they would be housed in. It only has

1:49:041:49:08

one entrance, it is above a pizza

shop. We have a lot of children that

1:49:081:49:12

hang around this area. I think the

children would have just handed

1:49:121:49:16

them. Not just the general public,

just the children. At this time of

1:49:161:49:23

night, now, they would have been

gathering outside the pizza shop and

1:49:231:49:26

it just would have escalated. It was

not fair, it would not have been

1:49:261:49:31

there for them let alone the general

public here to make us look as

1:49:311:49:36

though we're horrible and were not.

1:49:361:49:39

We can speak now to Ajit Atwal,

a local businessman who you saw

1:49:391:49:42

in that film, the Labour MP

for the area, Chris Williamson,

1:49:421:49:45

and Jalloh Ibrahima,

who has been an asylum seeker -

1:49:451:49:53

originally from west Africa.

1:49:591:50:00

We invited G4S and the Home Office,

but both declined to take part.

1:50:001:50:07

Before being housed asylum seekers,

the place of their Houston should be

1:50:071:50:16

fit for purpose.

What you say that.

I appreciate concerns but it is the

1:50:161:50:20

right idea and just in the wrong

area. You need to take on board the

1:50:201:50:25

concerns of the residence and they

have been there and they're not

1:50:251:50:30

happy. Nothing wrong with asylum

seekers but just in the wrong area.

1:50:301:50:37

Chris Williamson, what do you say to

that?

I think we need to remember

1:50:371:50:44

that asylum seekers are often

fleeing horrendous circumstances,

1:50:441:50:48

war-torn countries, incredible abuse

and fear for their lives. So we're

1:50:481:50:54

talking about human beings. I think

my concern is the lack of

1:50:541:51:01

consultation of G4S with the local

community.

But just to address the

1:51:011:51:05

point of it being the wrong area? He

is one of the residents.

Well I have

1:51:051:51:12

spoken to residents and there was

some anxiety but -- beforehand

1:51:121:51:17

partly because of lack of

information. But now they are saying

1:51:171:51:21

they do not quite know what the fuss

has all been about. I think there is

1:51:211:51:27

an issue about the asylum system in

this country, that it is not fit for

1:51:271:51:33

purpose and is being used as a cash

cow for private sector organisations

1:51:331:51:38

like G4S. That is part of the

problem, these initial accommodation

1:51:381:51:43

centres are only meant to

accommodate people for up to 19 days

1:51:431:51:47

but often people get stuck in these

inadequate centres for far longer.

1:51:471:51:52

In this case, normally they are

meant to be provided with three

1:51:521:51:57

meals a day. Because this centre

does not lend itself to that, people

1:51:571:52:06

are just given £35 to pay for all of

their needs and then have to rely on

1:52:061:52:11

the third sector or other support

that people need.

What would you say

1:52:111:52:17

to that?

I would say through

experience, I would say the problem

1:52:171:52:27

with asylum

1:52:271:52:33

with asylum housing is the private

companies, I do not think the issue

1:52:331:52:36

is with the Home Office because I

believe the Home Office do pay big

1:52:361:52:46

money for asylum seekers to be

housed.

Part of the issue is in

1:52:461:52:50

this, in some parts of the country

asylum seekers are not welcome. How

1:52:501:52:54

do you feel about that?

I think

people should start to think about

1:52:541:53:02

asylum seekers as human beings as

well. We are human beings as well.

1:53:021:53:06

The people should not CS as just

asylum seekers but as human beings.

1:53:061:53:14

That is what I would say.

Going back

to the point, it is not the issue

1:53:141:53:22

with the asylum seekers but it is

G4S, they are the biggest concern in

1:53:221:53:28

our area, lack of consultation. And

we have seen their track record down

1:53:281:53:33

the country for that everything they

put their hands on they've messed up

1:53:331:53:36

so can residents in the area have

any faith in G4S running the

1:53:361:53:40

operation. We have just two security

guards but you have more than that

1:53:401:53:47

of a nightclub.

But there have been

no reported problems with the

1:53:471:53:51

centre.

But it is early days and if

there is the situation, will G4S

1:53:511:53:57

take responsibility because at the

moment they do not seem to be

1:53:571:54:00

consulting with anyone.

They say

they held up public consultation

1:54:001:54:04

event and they give regular

statements to local newspapers, yet

1:54:041:54:08

held a public meeting to update

local residents on the progress of

1:54:081:54:12

the centre. What else should they

have done?

They should have come on

1:54:121:54:15

this programme. They said they have

done all the things that you

1:54:151:54:20

require. Let's get back to their

track record up and down the

1:54:201:54:25

country. Are you satisfied with the

way they operate.

We're just talking

1:54:251:54:29

about the centre in your area. And

you're saying there could be

1:54:291:54:34

problems in the future. So far all

has gone well.

I hope it stays that

1:54:341:54:39

way. And there are no problems. But

I'm just brilliant the concerns

1:54:391:54:46

raised by the resident and they are

scared of the page are not want to

1:54:461:54:51

be in this situation. We do know who

has come from where, that is cause

1:54:511:54:55

for concern.

I think G4S could be

more proactive in their

1:54:551:55:01

consultation, I think that they were

pushed into it.

They had an event,

1:55:011:55:05

public meetings.

I think they do

more -- they need to do more to

1:55:051:55:11

reassure people not just have one

event. They say they consulted but

1:55:111:55:15

residents but it was discovered they

had not. It was only when the local

1:55:151:55:20

council and community made

representations that they accepted

1:55:201:55:21

they had not done what they claim to

have done. I think we have one

1:55:211:55:27

consultation but they need to do far

more to reassure people.

We have

1:55:271:55:32

breaking news, I'm sorry. Thank you

everyone.

1:55:321:55:41

everyone. The Gambling Commission

this morning published its proposal

1:55:421:55:45

for reform of the rules for what

critics say are highly addictive and

1:55:451:55:48

machine. The watchdog is calling on

government to reduce the maximum

1:55:481:55:52

stake on fixed odds betting

terminals from £100 to £30 less.

1:55:521:55:55

Gary got in touch this morning and

he lost £1500 on these terminals in

1:55:551:56:01

one hour on Saturday. In total he

says he spent around £70,000 on

1:56:011:56:06

them. Good morning. Do you think

that reducing the maximum stake from

1:56:061:56:15

£100 to £30 or less would make a

difference to someone like you?

It

1:56:151:56:20

would and it has to be a lot less

than £30, it has to be £2.

The

1:56:201:56:25

government have it in their power to

reduce it to £2. The £30 or less is

1:56:251:56:30

just the recommendation from the

Gambling Commission. Why would you

1:56:301:56:33

say to government a need to bring it

down to £2?

Because many people who

1:56:331:56:40

spend £30 will still get a buzz on

one spin put up whether it is a win

1:56:401:56:46

or a loss. On £2 you would not get

out, you just lose interest. It is

1:56:461:56:52

the only form of gambling that I

have been addicted to that I like.

1:56:521:56:55

If that was curbed I would be happy.

Just explain how it is possible to

1:56:551:57:01

lose £1500 in 60 minutes on one of

these things. How did you manage

1:57:011:57:06

that on Saturday?

I was given £50

per spin which lasts about 20

1:57:061:57:11

seconds. If you just go through a

series of not hitting your selected

1:57:111:57:17

numbers it is gone very quickly.

And

you paid with cash or a card

1:57:171:57:21

question and withdrew £300 in cash,

I put the cash in the machine and

1:57:211:57:24

then loaded the betting terminal

with £200 a time on my bank card.

1:57:241:57:36

Well we will see what happens, thank

you very much.

Just to mention one

1:57:361:57:41

more thing, a lot of the times I've

used my partner bank card to load

1:57:411:57:47

the machines as well, £200 a time

for that I have never been

1:57:471:57:51

challenged. My name is Gary, her

name is Helen, it is pretty obvious

1:57:511:57:57

but I was never challenged.

And does

a member of staff actually look at

1:57:571:58:03

the card?

They have looked at it but

never challenged it.

That is just

1:58:031:58:07

bizarre. The regulations are just so

poor. Thank you very much.

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Appreciate you coming on. On a

programme tomorrow, losing your hair

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when you're young and the impact it

can Avenue. Thank you for watching

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today. Back tomorrow at nine

o'clock. Have a good day.

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