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-Tonight, I'm filming -behind the doors of a Masonic hall. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
-I can't see the ceremony proper... | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
-..but members have agreed -that we can film this rehearsal... | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
-..for the opening of a new temple. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
-There are 70 brothers -coming here today. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
-I'm delighted -to be in Builth Wells today... | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
-..to consecrate a new temple. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
-I've filmed with the Freemasons -in South Wales for three months. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
-Some suspect it to be a secret -society with something to hide. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
-But what exactly do Masons do? | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
-You conduct ceremonies. What else? | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
-You conduct ceremonies. What else? - -Well, we do business. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:00 | |
-I dedicate this hall to Freemasonry. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
-There are 13,000 members in Wales. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
-Tonight, I ask how much influence -does the society have. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
-There's a tendency -to think that Freemasons... | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
-..look after each other -and help each other to get jobs. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
-If you know someone, you have -more chance of getting a job. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
-The more people you know -in a business, the easier it is. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:27 | |
-I scatter corn on this temple... | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
-Because these members -want to be more open... | 0:01:30 | 0:01:34 | |
-..tonight, I get a unique look -behind the hall's doors. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:38 | |
-The aim of Freemasonry... | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
-..is to make good men better men. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
-Swansea's Masonic Hall -is in the city centre. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
-A local member has agreed -to show me around the hall. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
-This is the main Masonic hall -in Swansea. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
-Most of Swansea's lodges meet here. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:20 | |
-We're now walking -across the pavement... | 0:02:21 | 0:02:26 | |
-..in the direction -of the Master's chair. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
-This is the Master's chair. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
-He is the chairman of the lodge. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
-Every lodge has a master, -with numerous officials under him. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
-But they all bow to the authority... | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
-..of the United Grand Lodge -of England in London. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
-The hall is full -of unfamiliar images... | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
-..and I want to understand -what some of them signify. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
-You mentioned the black and white -chequered pavement. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
-What does that represent? | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
-What does that represent? - -Well, it represents day and night. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
-What they call the trials -and tribulations of life... | 0:03:06 | 0:03:12 | |
-..the white and the black. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
-The hope is that, one day, we come -out of the dark and into the light. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:20 | |
-There's a big eye looking down on us -in the centre of the room. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
-Yes, yes. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:26 | |
-What's that? | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
-Well, it reminds us -of the Supreme Being himself. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:33 | |
-That he is watching us... | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
-..and is keeping a tally -of our activities in this world. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:42 | |
-Every Mason must believe in a god... | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
-..but not necessarily -a Christian god. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
-But Freemasonry -isn't a religious society. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
-I want to know more -about their rituals. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
-People who know a little about -Freemasonry will have heard... | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
-..that Masons are blindfolded -when they enter the Masonic hall... | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
-..and that a sword -is held to their breast. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
-It sounds sinister, but is it true? | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
-A lot of things -are said, aren't they? | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
-But it's a drama. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:19 | |
-As I said earlier, we come -out of the darkness into the light. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
-A blindfold is part of the ceremony. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
-It shows him -that he is coming into the light... | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
-..and hopefully shows him... | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
-..that, as a Mason, -he will lead a richer life. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:42 | |
-In the Dulais Valley, -the Onllwyn Male Voice Choir... | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
-..is led by a Freemason. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
-# Great was Christ in eternity # | 0:04:50 | 0:04:56 | |
-I had considered Freemasonry -as a club for middle-aged men. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
-But Matthew Sims is 32, -and has been a Mason since 2008. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
-# Great dying on Calvary # | 0:05:04 | 0:05:09 | |
-I became a Freemason -because a friend asked me to join. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:16 | |
-I had a background -in Freemasonry previously... | 0:05:17 | 0:05:22 | |
-..but it was nice -to be invited by a friend. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:27 | |
-He has been Master -of a lodge in Swansea... | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
-..and has benefited personally -from being a Mason. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
-I'm a singer. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
-The Freemasons helped me -financially to go to university. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:45 | |
-I now have a Masters degree -because of that help. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
-Last year, -he was co-founder of a new club... | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
-..under Freemasonry's umbrella, -to attract more young men. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
-The Colonnade Club. | 0:05:58 | 0:05:59 | |
-The Colonnade Club is for young -people, for young Freemasons. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:05 | |
-We don't normally meet very often... | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
-..but the club gives us a chance -to meet and go to different places. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:15 | |
-Pubs, shopping, -breakfast clubs and so on. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:20 | |
-It gives us -a network of young members. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
-But young men aren't -the only members to surprise me. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
-# Amen # | 0:06:28 | 0:06:36 | |
-The Order of Women Freemasons... | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
-..has seven lodges -and some 150 members in South Wales. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
-Although a separate organization, -they operate in a similar way. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
-As far as the ceremonies go, -we use the same book... | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
-..and the ceremonies -follow the same order. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
-We have the same ranks -as male Freemasons... | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
-..and go up through the same levels. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
-Ann Marie Boland -is a children's nurse in Swansea. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
-This year, she and other members... | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
-..will run Swansea's Race For Life -to raise money for Cancer Research. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
-She views Freemasonry -as a chance to socialize... | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
-..and to contribute to good causes. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
-If you wanted to join an institution -to raise money and socialize... | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
-..why not join Merched y Wawr -or the Women's Institute? | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
-Why did Freemasonry attract you? | 0:07:37 | 0:07:38 | |
-Why did Freemasonry attract you? - -If I'd joined Merched y Wawr... | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
-For me, Merched y Wawr -hold coffee evenings and knit. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
-I don't know what else they do. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
-This was available and I enjoyed it. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:52 | |
-I do something for others -but for myself as well. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
-It's time away from the family. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
-When I'm at a meeting, I'm not -expected to do anything but my part. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:05 | |
-I'm no-one's mother or daughter -or nurse, just myself. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
-The women aren't willing for any -of their ceremonies to be filmed. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:14 | |
-But they do allow us -to show their ceremonial robes. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
-They also want to be more open... | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
-..partly in order to attract -new members. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
-It is difficult. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:28 | |
-A lot of Freemasons are now older... | 0:08:29 | 0:08:34 | |
-..and not many young women -are joining. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
-We are trying to be more open, -especially these days. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
-We need to attract more members. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
-Traditionally, you needed -to be invited to become a Freemason. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:51 | |
-By now, you can apply online. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
-Seventy men made initial enquiries -in South Wales last year. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
-Of those, ten are now taking part -in Masonic meetings and ceremonies. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:04 | |
-What do you do at these meetings? | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
-You conduct ceremonies, -but what else do you do? | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
-Well, we do business. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
-As you can see, we have a secretary, -a treasurer and a vice-secretary. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
-We have an annual meeting. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
-The finances and charitable work -need organizing, and new members. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:31 | |
-The same things that happen in any -meeting of any other institution. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:37 | |
-In part two, I try to find out -how many police officers... | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
-..councillors and politicians -in Wales are Freemasons. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
-If there's nothing to hide, -if it makes no difference... | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
-..why does it matter -if it's declared at the outset? | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
-I also ask how much influence -Freemasons really have. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:59 | |
-Would you say that a Freemason -gets better career and life chances? | 0:09:59 | 0:10:04 | |
-Maybe, yes. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:06 | |
-Do you see anything wrong with that? | 0:10:06 | 0:10:07 | |
-Do you see anything wrong with that? - -No. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:08 | |
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-Brothers, help me open the lodge. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
-In Bridgend, some of -the Dewi Sant Lodge Freemasons... | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
-..have agreed for us to film them. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
-This is the only lodge that holds -part of its rituals in Welsh. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
-Brother Inner Guard. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
-Will you ensure that the lodge -is tyled. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
-The whole ceremony -can't be in Welsh. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
-But these Masons do some in Welsh -before changing to English. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
-Brother Junior Warden. -The lodge is tyled. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:56 | |
-Worshipful Master... | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
-In a full meeting, -the seats are taken by members. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
-But as this is a rehearsal -of the opening part of the ritual... | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
-..only officers are present. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
-Brother Senior Warden, -what is our next care? | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
-That only Freemasons are present. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
-People are very curious about you -and your secrecy. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
-Is the secrecy -part of the appeal to you? | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
-Um, well... | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
-It's more about the traditional side -than the secrecy. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:29 | |
-But I think the biggest appeal -for most members... | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
-..is that -we can contribute to good causes... | 0:11:33 | 0:11:38 | |
-..both locally and nationally. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
-Worthy Past Master, where is -the Master's situation in the Lodge? | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
-In the east. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:47 | |
-I've asked to stay to see -the ritual in its entirety. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:53 | |
-But I'm not welcome -at the ceremony proper. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
-Why don't you allow camera crews -to film your ceremonies? | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
-There are some secrets -we use in the three acts... | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
-..which belong to the movement. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
-To keep everything secret, -to help the candidate coming in... | 0:12:09 | 0:12:14 | |
-..we have something different. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
-Those are the reasons. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
-We're open that we're members... | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
-..so the only hidden thing... | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
-..is what goes on in the drama. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
-Brothers, I proclaim -that this lodge is opened. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
-Brothers, take a seat. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
-In Carmarthenshire in November... | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
-..the Freemasons came under the -microscope of the local authority. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
-A councillor in the chamber -asked whether elected members... | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
-..should declare -if they were Freemasons. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
-According to council leader -Emlyn Dole, the rules are clear... | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
-..that councillors who are -Freemasons should declare it. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
-If a county councillor -who's been voted in... | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
-..and who has a political mandate... | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
-..for whatever party -on a county council... | 0:13:10 | 0:13:15 | |
-..I think the declaration -should be made. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
-After the discussion, -Carmarthenshire County Council... | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
-..received a furious reply from the -Freemasons' headquarters in London. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:27 | |
-I've seen an email -sent to the council's lawyer... | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
-..from -the United Grand Lodge of England. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
-The email -says that forcing councillors... | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
-..to declare membership of the -Masons breaches their human rights. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
-The author calls on the council... | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
-..to change their -declaration of interest forms... | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
-..and delete any records -noting membership. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
-They feel that the Freemasons -are being targeted. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
-The email goes on, "Please -be assured that our members... | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
-"..will voluntarily disclose -membership of Freemasonry... | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
-"..in the unlikely event -it becomes relevant... | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
-"..to a matter under consideration." | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
-The council has dismissed the reply, -saying that Freemasons... | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
-..are treated the same as members -of any other club or society. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
-The response I'd expect from -an open and transparent society... | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
-..which was confident -in its members... | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
-..and in their ability -to be effective... | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
-..is that they'd tell their members -to say that they belong... | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
-..because there was nothing to hide, -no secrets. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
-The fact -they want to hold it back... | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
-..until the time they say -it's relevant suggests otherwise. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:41 | |
-According -to the email I've obtained... | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
-..the Freemasons -aren't a secret society. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
-If members use their membership -for personal ends... | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
-..they'd be thrown out -of the society. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
-"In contrast to similar movements," -the email says... | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
-"..networking is not permitted." | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
-But when I went to talk -to one of the founders... | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
-..of the South Wales Masons' -Colonnade Club... | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
-..he admitted that it is a benefit -of being a Freemason. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
-Freemasons are thought of as people -who look after each other... | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
-..who help each other find jobs. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
-Is this true from your experience -as a member? | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
-Yes. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:25 | |
-If you know someone, you have -a better chance of getting a job. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:31 | |
-The more people you know -in business, the easier it is. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
-However, we do look after other -people too, not just ourselves. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
-We give a lot of money -to charities... | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
-..which don't have anything to do -with the Freemasons. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
-You've almost admitted that you do -help each other find jobs. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
-Isn't there something wrong -with that? | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
-You help each other and influence -important bodies and so on. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
-No, I don't think -we have a major influence. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
-You just know the person... | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
-..and the opportunities that are -presented from knowing that person. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:09 | |
-But you'd say that a Freemason -would have better opportunities... | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
-..in terms of their career -and their lives. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
-Maybe, yes. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:17 | |
-Do you see anything wrong with that? | 0:16:17 | 0:16:18 | |
-Do you see anything wrong with that? - -No. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:19 | |
-I wanted to find out -how many Freemasons... | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
-..have been elected -to represent the people of Wales. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
-I made a Freedom of Information -request to every county council... | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
-..the National Assembly -and the House of Commons. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
-Members of Parliament... | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
-..don't have to declare -whether they're Freemasons. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
-Assembly Members have to do so. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
-But none of the current AMs -have specified this. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
-The response from local authorities -was mixed. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
-It's unclear -if county councillors... | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
-..have to declare whether or not -they're Freemasons. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
-Only 25 councillors said -they were Masons throughout Wales. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
-I took the results to -the South Wales Police Commissioner. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
-Alun Michael -has called on the Masons... | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
-..to be more transparent -in the past. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
-He helped to pass a law forcing AMs -who are Masons to declare this. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:15 | |
-When he was a Home Office minister, -he forced policemen to do so too. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:20 | |
-If they have to declare it, -it takes the pressure off. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
-If they don't, there are whispers, -"Oh, he's a Freemason." | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
-You get rid of that -if there's a declaration. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
-He says that local authority rules -are unclear... | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
-..with many councils -saying they need to declare... | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
-..a private club membership that's -"operating within the authority". | 0:17:42 | 0:17:47 | |
-If you put it like that... | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
-..that you have to define -'operating'... | 0:17:51 | 0:17:56 | |
-..it's hard. | 0:17:57 | 0:17:59 | |
-I also asked Wales's police forces -about their rules. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
-Dyfed-Powys and Gwent staff -don't have to declare membership. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:08 | |
-But North Wales -and South Wales Police... | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
-..have -a voluntary declaration scheme. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
-In the south, two police officers -and three PCSOs... | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
-..have said that they're Freemasons. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
-In the north, three sergeants -and six constables... | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
-..have declared their membership. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
-South Wales Police have a voluntary -scheme of declaring membership. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:31 | |
-Is there any point in that -if it's voluntary? | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
-If you expect people -to give information... | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
-..it creates the right atmosphere. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
-The police force -has changed a lot over the years. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
-There was a time... | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
-..when the pressure -from Masonic interest... | 0:18:49 | 0:18:54 | |
-..was very effective. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
-There were big questions -to be answered. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
-That's no longer a problem. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:01 | |
-How do you know -it's not a problem... | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
-..if declaring a membership -is voluntary? | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
-As I said... | 0:19:07 | 0:19:08 | |
-..if it's an atmosphere of asking a -question and expecting an answer... | 0:19:08 | 0:19:13 | |
-..that provides -the correct standards. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
-That's how I'd frame the method -of dealing with the issue. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
-Alun Michael -is calling for one simple system... | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
-..of declaring membership -of the Freemasons. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
-It would be better to have the same -criteria in every local council... | 0:19:28 | 0:19:33 | |
-..in the police, the health boards -and so on. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:38 | |
-Then, everyone is treated the same. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
-But the Freemasons say there's -no need to be suspicious of them... | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
-..and that they're trying -to help society. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
-Here in Porthcawl, a care home is -run by one of their four charities. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:56 | |
-John Davies is the South Wales -Masons' charity officer. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:03 | |
-Have you been here a while? | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
-Three weeks. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
-He says that they give money to -those who aren't Freemasons too... | 0:20:07 | 0:20:12 | |
-..through their 'grand charity'. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
-Before Christmas... | 0:20:16 | 0:20:17 | |
-..we had the pleasure... | 0:20:18 | 0:20:19 | |
-..of donating 72,000 -to Tenovus in Cardiff. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:25 | |
-The money comes from London -to support charities... | 0:20:26 | 0:20:32 | |
-..who don't have direct links -with the Freemasons. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
-In a court hearing two years ago... | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
-..it came to light -that the United Grand Lodge... | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
-..had donated 82 million in a year -to charities... | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
-..but almost three-quarters -were to ones linked to the Masons. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
-The main historical accusation -against the Masons... | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
-..is that -you look after each other... | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
-..that you're a secret club, an old -boys club finding each other jobs. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:03 | |
-Is that true from your experience? | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
-Not at all. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:08 | |
-Quite the opposite. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
-It is something for people -from all parts of society. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:18 | |
-You go into a lodge... | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
-..and you don't know -who's sat beside you. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
-He may be -at the bottom of the ladder... | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
-..with the guy on the other side -on top of the ladder. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
-It reflects the society -we live in. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
-A number of prominent -South Wales Masons... | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
-..have agreed to talk to me -over the past few months. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
-But many have refused and want -to keep the Masons' secrets... | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
-..behind the doors of the temple. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
-Many of your members are -uncomfortable appearing on camera... | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
-..uncomfortable discussing -Freemasonry in an interview. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
-Why do you think this is true? | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
-If you don't have anything -to hide... | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
-..why wouldn't other Freemasons -talk to me like you are doing? | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
-You'd have to ask them. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
-That's the honest answer. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
-Also, I think... | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
-..that some believe -there's a conspiracy. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
-Some people still think... | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
-..there's something wrong with -the way we conduct our business. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:28 | |
-I don't agree with that, -I'm completely open. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
-The more we talk and show -what goes on in our buildings... | 0:22:32 | 0:22:38 | |
-..the more people will understand. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
-Next week, with the increase -in attacks against Muslims... | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
-..we ask -why there are Welsh people... | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
-..among those who preach -an anti-Muslim message in Britain. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
-No more refugees! | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
-We hear from Muslims who say -they're being persecuted in Wales. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
-Things are happening. -The community is speaking out. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
-Y Byd ar Bedwar, -next Tuesday at 9.30pm. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
-S4C Subtitles by Testun Cyf. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
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